AWAY YOU GO. GOOD MORNING.
WELCOME TO THE ASSEMBLY PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE. IT IS NOW NINE
O'CLOCK. AH! THE CHAIR IS HERE.
AND. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MIA BONTA
IS HERE. WE NEED SOME MORE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I SEE MR
CIERTOS NAME. WHO WAS HERE? SO
WE'RE. WE'RE A LITTLE SHORT ON A
QUORUM, SO THE SOONER PEOPLE GET
HERE. MR QUIRK IS NOW HERE.
AND MOST IMPORTANT. WE'RE
LOOKING FOR SENATE AUTHORS. MR
CORTEZ. MISS SKINNER. AND OF
COURSE, MR WIENER.
WE NOW HAVE FOUR WE NEED ONE
MORE FOR CORE.
SURE. WHILE WE'RE WAITING I WILL
DO THE COVID GUIDELINE. WE
ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE
WRITTEN TESTIONY BEFORE THE
HEARING BY VISITING THE
COMMITTEE WEBSITE. AT HTTPS, UM. ÁP SF DOT ASSEMBLY DOT C A DOT
GOV UM. BACKSLASH PLEASE NOTE
THAT ANY WRITTEN TESTIMONY
SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE IS
CONSIDERED PUBLIC COMMENT AND
MAYBE READ INTO THE RECORD OR
REPRINTED. ALL ARE ENCOURAGED TO
WATCH. THE HEARING FROM ITS
LIVESTREAM ON THE ASSEMBLY'S
WEBSITE AT W W DOT ASSEMBLY.
THAT CA.GOV BACKSLASH TODAY'S
YEAH. TODAY'S EVENTS. THE
HEARING ROOM WILL BE OPEN FOR
ATTENDANCE OF THIS HEARING.
REMEMBER? OF THE PUBLIC
ATTENDING TO HEARING IS
ENCOURAGED TO WEAR MASK AT ALL
TIMES WHILE IN THE BUILDING. THE
PUBLIC MAY ALSO PARTICIPATE. IN
THIS HEARING BY TELEPHONE. WE
ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO MONITOR
THE COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE FOR
UPDATES. UM AGAIN, WELL, WILL
ASK. FOR EVERYONE TO TURN THEIR
PHONES OFF. ESPECIALLY MR LEVEL
, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO CALL OUT
ANY NAMES. ONE. WE COULD BEGIN
AS A SUBCOMMITTEE IF WE HAD A WE
HAD AN AUTHOR.
CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER NOW
THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM, MADAM
SECRETARY, COULD YOU CALL THE
ROLL? JOHN SAWYER HERE. LACKEY
BONTA HERE, BRIAN. QUIRK.
SANTIAGO. SEYARTO. THANK YOU
WERE WE NOW HAVE A CORE. WE'RE
GOING TO GO TO THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. UM. ON THE CONSENT.
CANADA CANADA WE HAVE ITEM
NUMBER TWO SB 28. I MEAN, 382
CABALLERO. HUMAN TRAFFICKING
RESTRAINING ORDERS. I DON'T
NUMBER THREE SP 12 68 CABALLERO.
VICTIMS OF CRIME, FAMILY ACCESS
TO INFORMATION I DON'T KNOW.
BEFORE SP 748 PORTANTINO
TRESPASS PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES
URGENCY CLAUSE. I DON'T NUMBER
FIVE SB 9 TO 58. FATAL VEHICULAR
ACCIDENTS. CHEMICAL TEST RESULTS
I DON'T NUMBER 7981 981 GLACIER
CRIMINAL JUSTICE GENERAL
PROCEDURE. FACTUAL EVIDENCE,
FACTUAL INNOCENCE AND ITEM
NUMBER EIGHT. SP 12 72 BECKER
CRIMES INTERCEPTING TELEPHONE
COMMUNICATIONS. MOVE CONSENT.
VICTORY. COLORADO. AND THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. JOHN SAWYER
YOUR EYE LACKEY LACKEY. I BONTA
I, BRIAN. QUIRK I WORK I
SANTIAGO. SEYARTO TOÀN ARE TÔI.
THE CONSENT CHALLENGERS ADOPTED,
WE WILL BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER
ONE SB 300, SENATOR CORTESI
CRIMES, MURDER AND PUNISHMENT.
GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS. TODAY I'M HERE TO
PRESENT SB 300. THE CERTAINTY
REFORM AT. SENTENCING SOMEONE TO
DIE IN PRISON, WHETHER BY DEATH
PENALTY OR LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS L. WOP, OF
COURSE, IS VIRTUALLY UNHEARD OF
IN MUCH OF THE WORLD. CURRENTLY
CALIFORNIA MANDATES A SENTENCE
OF DEATH OR LIFE WITHOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE FOR ANYONE
CONVICTED OF MURDER. WITH
SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, EVEN IF
THE PERSON DID NOT ACTUALLY KILL
ANYONE, NOR INTEND FOR ANYONE TO
DIE. ADDITIONALLY FOR ALL CRIMES
UNDER THE SENTENCING SCHEME, IF
ANY SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES FOUND
TO BE TRUE, THE JUDGE HAS NO
CHOICE. REPEAT NO CHOICE BUT TO
SENTENCE A PERSON TO DEATH OR L
Y. CURRENT LAW FORBIDS THE JUDGE
FROM CONSIDERING WHETHER THESE
PUNISHMENTS ARE FAIR IN ANY
GIVEN CASE. THE MANDATED MINIMUM
SENTENCES TO DIE BEHIND PRISON
WALLS WITHOUT ANY MEANS OF
EARNING PAROLE. THE SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES SENTENCING SCHEME
, WHICH LACKS EVEN MINIMAL
JUDICIAL DISCRETION, REFLECTS
THE WORST TENDENCIES WITHIN OUR
CRIMINAL JUSTIE SYSTEM AND
OVERWHELMINGLY IMPACTS PEOPLE OF
COLOR. MORE THAN TWO THIRDS OF
PEOPLE SERVING ELO UP IN
CALIFORNIA. ARE BLACK OR BROWN
IN THE VAST MAJORITY, HAD NO
PRIOR CRIMINAL RECORD BEFORE
BEING SENTENCED TO DIE IN
PRISON. MOST APPROXIMATELY 63%
WE'RE UNDER 25 YEARS OF AGE AT
THE TIME OF THE OFFENSE. IN FACT
, IN CALIFORNIA, 19 IS THE MOST
COMMON AGE OF THOSE SENTENCED TO
LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE. DECADES OF
RESEARCH IS FILLED TO SHOW ANY
PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFIT FROM L WOP
WHERE THE DEATH PENALTY ON THE
CONTRARY, SIR, SEVERE
PUNISHMENTS LIKE THESE HAVE
DRIVEN THE MASSACRES AERATION
CRISIS THAT HAS DESTROYED LIVES,
FAMILIES AND ENTIRE COMMUNITIES.
PARTICULARLY BLACK AND BROWN
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LONG BEEN
DEPRIVED OF SUPPORT SERVICES AND
PROGRAMS WHILE BEING TARGETED.
BY RACISM AND OPPRESSION. SB 300
SEEKS TO FIX THIS OVERSIGHT IN
OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM BY
PREVENTING SOMEONE WHO'S NOT THE
ACTUAL KILLER AND DOES NOT HAVE
AN ATTEMPT TO KILL FROM BEING
PUNISHED BY DEATH OR L WOP. THE
BILL RESTORES JUDICIAL
DISCRETION TO JUDGES TO IMPOSE A
SENTENCE OF 25 YEARS TO LIFE. IF
BASED ON THE FACTS, THEY
DETERMINED THE JUDGE DETERMINES
THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO EARN
PAROLE WOULD BEST SERVE THE
INTERESTS OF JUSTICE IN A CASE
WHERE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES HAS
BEEN CHARGED. THE OPPOSITION
CLAIMS THAT THE BILL REDUCES
CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR KILLING A
PEACE OFFICER STATING THAT OF
TWO INDIVIDUALS SHOOT AT A LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND THAT
OFFICER DIES. BUT IT'S PROVEN
THAT ONLY ONE BUILT BULLET
KILLED THE OFFICER THAN THE
PERSON WHO SHOT DID NOT HIT. THE
OFFICER WILL NOT BE SUBJECT TO
THE SAME PENALTIES OF THE ACTUAL
SHOOTER. THIS IS NOT TRUE. THE
IMPOSED. THE OPPONENTS ARE
MISTAKEN ON THE WAR AND ON THE
BILL. I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT
THIS BILL DOES NOT CHANGE THE
PENALTY FOR SOMEONE INVOLVED IN
A FELONY WHO ACTED WITH INTENT
TO KILL. THE COURTS OF HILL THAT
IF TWO INDIVIDUALS SHOOT AT
SOMEONE THAT IS EVIDENCE THAT
THEY BOTH ACTED WITH INTENT TO
KILL. BOTH INDIVIDUALS WOULD
CONTINUE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE
DEATH PENALTY AND LIFE WITHOUT
PAROLE UNDER SP 300. WE RECENTLY
TOOK AMENDMENTS. TO THE FINDINGS
OF DECLARATION SECTION OF THE
BILL SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE IT
CLEAR THAT SB 300 MAKES NO
CHANGES TO EXISTING STATUTES
THAT OUTLINE CRIMINAL PENALTIES
FOR THOSE WHO PARTICIPATE IN A
CRIMINAL ACT THAT RESULTS IN THE
DEATH OF A PEACE OFFICER.
LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT
THAT THE BILL IS NOT RITU
ACTIVE. IT'S NOT RETROACTIVE.
AMENDMENTS TAKEN IN THE SENATE
REMOVED THE RETROACTIVITY OF THE
BILL AND THEREFORE IS NOW
PROSPECTIVE ONLY HERE TO TESTIFY
AND SUPPORT OF THE BILL IS
TAMMIE COOPER WITH THE
CALIFORNIA COALITION FOR WOMEN
PRISONERS, AND LYNN WILLIAMS,
WHO HERSELF IS A REGISTERED
VICTIM OF CRIME. BOTH WITNESSES
ARE SYSTEM IMPACTED AND HAVE
DEEPLY COMPELLING STORIES.
ADDITIONALLY OR LEGAL EXPERT
NATASHA MINSK ER IS HERE TO
ANSWER ANY LEGAL OR TECHNICAL
QUESTIONS. THE COMMITTEE MAY
HAVE THANK YOU, AND IT'S
APPROPRIATE TIME. I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU. SENATOR AND
YOUR WITNESSES HAVE FIVE MINUTES
TOTAL WHEREVER WE DO YOU WANT TO
SPLIT IT? THAT'S 2.5 MINUTES
EACH TO THEIR PLEASURE. I'M
LYNNE WILLIAMS. AND MY SISTER IS
ELAINE WILLIAMS LOOK CLOSER.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK AND SUPPORT OF SB 300
SENTENCE REFORM IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. A MAY 13TH 1989. OUR
FAMILY WAS FOREVER CHANGED. MY
39 YEAR OLD SISTER DIED WHEN HER
CAR WAS HIT BY A PERSON WHO WAS
FLEEING THE POLICE. WE WERE
CONSUMED BY SORROW, BUT NEVER BY
ANGER OR RAGE. ELAINE WOULD NOT
HAVE LIKED THAT. SHE WAS A
SPIRITUAL PERSON. WHO DEDICATED
HER LIFE TOWARDS FAIRNESS AND
JUSTICE AND UNDERSTANDING. SO I
SPEAK TODAY AS HER VOICE. IN
SUPPORT OF SB 300, WHICH WOULD
ALLOW THE JUDGE TO DISCRETION TO
SENTENCE 25 YEARS TO LIFE
WITHOUT MANDATORY LIFE WITHOUT
PAROLE AS BEING THEIR ONLY
CHOICE. WHEN THE D A S OUR
FAMILY ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY,
OUR ANSWER WAS RESOUNDINGLY. NO
BECAUSE WE BELIEVED IN THE
SANCTITY OF LIFE AND THAT A
PERSON CAN CHANGE. 31 YEARS
LATER, I LEARNED THAT THE
PERPETRATOR HAD BEEN SENTENCED
UNDER THE CHARGES OF FELONY
MURDER. WITH SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES AND MANDATORY LIFE
WITHOUT PAROLE. EL WAFA BRAND
NEW TERM TO ME. THIS WAS DEEPLY
CONCERNING AND SEEMED TO BE AN
OVERREACH OF THE LAW. IN OUR
CASE. THE PERSON DID NOT INTEND
TO KILL MY SISTER. YES HE SHOULD
BE JUSTLY PUNISHED FOR HIS
CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. BUT HE DIDN'T
MURDER MY SISTER. ELAINE WOULD
NEVER HAVE SUPPORTED HIS VIRTUAL
DEATH SENTENCE. OF L WOP. IN THE
SENTENCE ITSELF HAS NOT
CONTRIBUTED ANYTHING TO OUR
HEALING. WELL VICTIMS. FAMILIES
ARE VERY DIVERSE. MANY SHARE MY
PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN CLOSING. I
BESEECH YOU. LET THE PUNISHMENT
THAT THE CRIME. THERE ARE
DEMOCRACY TRULY EMBRACE AND
SUPPORT. RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND
REHABILITATION. AND MAY WE
ALWAYS BE GUIDED BY THE WISDOM
THERE IS NO JUSTICE WITHOUT
MERCY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. MY NAME
IS TOMMY COOPER GARVIN. I WAS
INCARCERATED FOR 28 YEARS FOR
SURVIVING FIRST SURVIVING SEX
TRAFFICKING AND DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE. WHEN I WAS 32 I WAS
CHARGED AS AN ACCOMPLICE, NFL
THE MURDER CASE AND SENTENCED TO
LIFE WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF
PAROLE CRIME. MY ABUSER
COMMITTED. I HAD NO INTENT TO
HURT ANYBODY AND DID NOT AND DID
NOT INTEND TO KILL ANYBODY. AND
EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE D. A.
KNEW IT.I WAS ONLY 14 YEARS OLD
WHEN I WAS SIX, TRAPPED. AND BY
THE TIME I WAS SENTENCED TO DIE
IN PRISON AT SUFFERED DECADES OF
ABUSE I WAS 32 WHEN MY LATEST
ABUSER PRESSURED ME INTO ST
SENSES, WHICH OF MY CLIENTS HE
MIGHT BE ABLE TO ROB. I DROVE
HIM TO THE SCENE AND WHEN IT
SEEMED LIKE IT WAS TAKING HIM
TOO LONG TO RETURN AND WENT INTO
THE BUILDING TO DISCOVER HE HAD
KILLED THE MAN, TERRIFIED AND
TRAUMATIZED. I RAN FROM THE
SCENE WITH HIM. MYANMAR ABUSER
WERE BOTH CHARGED WITH MURDER.
THE D A USED THE FILMING MURDER
ROLE TO HOLD US EQUALLY
RESPONSIBLE, EVEN THOUGH I DID
NOT MURDER THE MAN OR INTEND FOR
HIM TO BE HURTING IN ANY WAY.
FROM FACING 12. MY ABUSER
THREATENED TO KILL ME AND MY
FATHER IF WE TESTIFIED AGAINST
HIM. I BELIEVED HIM BECAUSE I
HAD SEEN SOMEONE DIE AT HIS
HANDS. EVEN THOUGH MY ABUSER
ADMITTED TO MY FATHER THAT HE
COMMITTED THE MURDER THE POLICE
BOUGHT HANDLING PENALTY OF THE
EVIDENCE, AND MY FATHER AND I
DID NOT TESTIFY BECAUSE WE
FEARED FOR OUR LIVES. MY ABUSER
WAS ACQUITTED OF MURDER. DURING
MY TRIAL, THE COURT OF NORTH OF
VIOLENCE EXPERIENCED BY MANY
TRAFFICKERS AND ABUSERS INCLUDE
INCLUDING MY CURRENT ABUSER WHO
THEY KNEW KILLED THE MAN, I
ALWAYS TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR
MY ACTUAL ROLE, BUT TRUTH DIDN'T
MATTER. AS A BLACK WOMAN WITH A
CRIMINAL RECORD FOR PROSTITUTION
CHARGES. IT WAS EASIER FOR THEM
TO DO TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ME
AND BLAME ME FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S
VIOLENCE. THESE BACKWARDS LAWS
TOOK 28 YEARS OF MY LIFE AND
MADE THE BEST OF IT AND WORKED
HARD TO HELP OTHER SURVIVORS IN
PRISON. THANKFULLY I WAS
COMMUTED BY GOVERNOR BROWN,
WHICH IS WHY IT CAN BE HERE
TODAY. BUT THAT IS NOT THE
SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM. THIS
HAPPENS TO SO MANY WOMEN. WE
NEED TO CHANGE THIS TERRIBLE LAW
. WE NEED SB 300 TO MAKE SURE
PEOPLE ARE NOT SENTENCED TO DIE
FOR OTHERS ACTIONS AS A SURVIVOR
. I SUPPORT THIS BILL, PLEASE
PREVENT OTHER SURVIVORS LIKE ME
FROM FACING DEATH BY
INCARCERATION OR EXECUTION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
IN THE HEARING ROOM AND SUPPORT
OF SB 300? NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. NATASHA INSTAGRAM
BEHALF OF SMART JUSTICE,
CALIFORNIA AND THE PROSECUTORS
ALLIANCE OF CALIFORNIANS STRONG
SUPPORT. QUÊ. GOOD MORNING,
GLENN BACCHUS FOR ELLA BAKER
CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS. I WAS
ASKED BY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO
READ THEIR NAMES INTO THE RECORD
RATHER THAN HAVE THEM ALL. COLIN
SEPARATELY. THE NATIONAL CENTER
FOR LESBIAN RIGHTS. SAN
FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
OFFICE STARTING OVER GLIDE
MEMORIAL CHURCH, THE EIGHTH
AMENDMENT PROJECT. ASIAN
AMERICANS ADVANCING JUSTICE
CALIFORNIA PRISON FROM THE
INSIDE OUT. BEND THE ARC JEWISH
ACTION ALL IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. THE JUSTICE
GROUP AND SUPPORT. CANADA'S
CHÁVEZ WILSON IN STRONG SUPPORT
FROM ELLA BAKER. CENTER FUEL
FAMILIES UNITED TO END L WOP CCW
P. THANK YOU STRONG SUPPORT. I
CALLED THE LENS AND SUPPORT FROM
CALIFORNIA COALITION FOR WOMEN
PRISONERS AND READING A LIST OF
ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL SURGE BAY
AREA VOICES FOR PROGRESS, FAMILY
FAMILY UNITY COALITION FRIENDS
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION OF
CALIFORNIA. SERGE MARIN, SHOWING
UP FOR RACIAL JUSTICE. SAN
BERNARDINO FT. A PROJECT AMIGA
AND THE COLLAB. THANK YOU. HE'S
A BROWN ELEVATOR CENTER STRONG
SUPPORT. JAMIL WILSON, FORMERLY
, UM, FORMER L WOP ALSO
COMMUTED. I'M IN SUPPORT OF SB
300. AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT
ALL THOSE THAT ARE STILL SERVING
TIME WITH THE L WOP SENTENCE
THAT THIS BILL WOULD HAVE HELPED
HELPED THEM JUST LIKE IT COULD
HAVE HELPED ME. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. HELLO MY NAME IS EMILY
ROSE. I HAVE A LOVED ONE WHO IS
INCARCERATED FOR OH, UP. UM I AM
ALSO READING IN SUPPORT OF SB
300 READING THESE ORGANIZATIONS
THAT ARE ALSO IN SUPPORT. THE
SALVADORI ALVAREZ INSTITUTE FOR
NONVIOLENCE. ONE MORE CHANCE
CARE FIRST CALIFORNIA WESTERN
REGIONAL ADVOCACY PROJECT
FUTURES WITHOUT VIOLENCE. FOR
THE PEOPLE. DIGNITY AND POWER
NOW ORGAN CURE AND SECURE
JUSTICE. THANK YOU. EMILY WONDER
ON BEHALF OF THE YOUNG WOMEN'S
FREEDOM CENTER AND SISTER
WARRIORS, FREEDOM COALITION AND
STRONG SUPPORT. MY NAME IS DR
ELISA B AREA AND WITH SURVIVED
AND PUNISHED, WHICH ADVOCATES
FOR CRIMINALIZED SURVIVORS OF
DOMESTIC AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE. WE
STRONGLY SUPPORT SB 300. MY NAME
. MY NAME IS XAVIER SPAGNA WITH
SILICON VALLEY DE BUG. I AM IN
SUPPORT OF SB 300. UM MY BROTHER
WAS GIVEN AN L WOP CASE. AND
ISN'T GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO
BE CONSIDERED REHABILITATED.
THANK YOU. ALMOST GOING TO READ
IT. SOME ORGANIZATIONS, FAITH
AND ACTION, EAST BAY CITY CR
SUPPORT AND INFO PRISON LIFE
SUPPORT GROUP. FAIR CHANCE
PROJECT. FAMILY UNITED TO END UP
SHOWING UP FOR RACIAL JUSTICE AT
SACRED HEART COMMUNITY SERVICE
GO TO CREW. COURAGE, CALIFORNIA.
SERGE MORAN SHOW ENOUGH FOR
RACIAL JUSTICE, EMPOWERING WOMEN
IMPACTED BY INCARCERATION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. HI I'M JOANNE
CHEER ON BEHALF OF FELONY MURDER
ELIMINATION PROJECT IN STRONG
SUPPORT. I'D LIKE TO READ A LIST
OF ORGANIZATIONS WHO WOULD ALSO
LIKE TO ADD THEIR SUPPORT, ROUTE
AND REBOUND, A NEW WAY OF LIFE,
CALIFORNIANS FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE. FAMILIES AGAINST
MANDATORY MINIMUMS HUMAN IMPACT
PARTNERS. JESSE'S PLACE
ORGANIZATION MIL PER CALIFORNIA
LEAGUE OF UNITED LATIN AMERICAN
CITIZENS. NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
OF SOCIAL WORKERS, CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER. PRISONER HUNGER STRIKE
SOLIDARITY COALITION AND
ADVANCINGJUSTICE ASIAN LAW
CAUCUS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY
NAME IS ALICIA CHAVEZ. I'M AN
ORGANIZER. WHAT? SILICON VALLEY
DEBUG AND I SUPPORT SP 300. THE
MORNING. MY NAME IS BONIVA HARM
A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER WITH
SILICON VALLEY DE BUG AND I'M IN
STRONG SUPPORT OF SB 300. I'D
LIKE TO LEAVE START WITH THE
LIST OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT
ARE IN SUPPORT OF SB 300. FAITH
IN ACTION. EAST BAY, INDIVISIBLE
CALIFORNIA STATE STRONG
CALIFORNIA ALLIANCE FOR YOUTH
AND COMMUNITY JUSTICE, PEOPLE'S
POTTERY PROJECT SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES CONVICTION
PROJECT. CALIFORNIA CATHOLIC
CONFERENCE, SAN MATEO COUNTY
COALITION FOR IMMIGRANT RIGHTS,
LEGAL SERVICES FOR PRISONERS
WITH CHILDREN OVER TIME, REACT
REALTY. AND JESUS PRAYER
MINISTRY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS YOLANDA
DESMOND. I'M AN ORGANIZER WITH
SILICON VALLEY DEBUG. I ALSO
HAVE A LOVED ONE SERVING LIFE
WITHOUT FULL, UM AND THEN STRONG
SUPPORT OF SB 300. I LIKE TO
READ A LIST OF ORGANISMS
ORGANIZATIONS ALSO IN SUPPORT
CALIFORNIA PARTNERSHIP TO END
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IMMIGRANT
LEGAL RESOURCE CENTER INTERFAITH
MOVEMENT FOR HUMAN INTEGRITY.
CURE CALIFORNIA VETERANS HEALING
VETERANS FROM THE INSIDE OUT
WHITE PEOPLE FOR BLACK LIVES AND
SAN MATEO COUNTY. PARTICIPATORY
DEFENSE. THANK YOU. RAJAT OF
SILICON VALLEY DEBUG, A CO
SPONSOR RECIPE 300 ALSO IN
STRONG SUPPORT AND WANT TO LIST
THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ALSO
IN SUPPORT CENTER FOR EMPLOYMENT
OPPORTUNITIES. CALIFORNIA LEAGUE
OF UNITED LATIN AMERICAN
CITIZENS. CALIFORNIA LINES FOR
YOUTH AND COMMUNITY JUSTICE.
INITIATE JUSTICE. SAN DIEGO COP
WATCH COMMUNITIES UNITED FOR
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND ON
COMMON LAW. THANK YOU. DANICA
ROAD, ARMAGH ON BEHALF OF THE
TRANSFORMATIVE IN PRISON
WORKGROUP AND CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT QUÊ. GOOD MORNING,
SHARON MEMBERS IN LITTLE WITH
CALIFORNIANS FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE AND STRONG SUPPORT IN
TIME DONE IN STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI I'M
AUDREY SPECIAL. I WAS A JUROR ON
THE CRIMINAL TRIAL. UM AND WE
ONLY FOUND OUT AFTER THE TRIAL
THAT THE PERSON'S WE'RE GOING TO
BE SENTENCED TO LIFE WITHOUT
POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE, WHICH IS
A DEATH SENTENCE, AND I'M
AGAINST THIS SENTENCE. HIGHLY
OUTRAGE THAT THIS IS THE CASE
FOR SOMEONE, SO I JUST THOUGHT I
RAISED MY VOICE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. NO WE'LL GO TO THE PHONE
LINES. ARE THERE ANYONE IN
SUPPORT OPERATOR OPENED UP THE
PHONE LINES FOR SB 300. IN
SUPPORT. MR THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
. YEAH FOR THOSE PARTICIPANTS ON
THE PHONE IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE
A COMMENT IN SUPPORT OF SB 300,
PLEASE PRESS 10. IN FIRST WORLD
LINE. 51. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
LOOKED AT IT. HI GOOD MORNING. I
WAS ASSIGNED 51, BUT I'M
ACTUALLY IN OPPOSITION. SO AND I
SAY MY. YOUR NAME AND
ORGANIZATION OPPOSITION. GO
AHEAD. OKAY EXCELLENT. UM MY
NAME IS BRANDON ZAVALA AND
CALLING ON BEHALF OF ANYONE
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY SUMMER
STUFF IN AND WE ARE OPPOSED TO
BE 300. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT WE GO TO LINE 52, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, ISABELLA.
OUR QUOTA ON BEHALF OF NERO
APPROACH CHOICE CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT WE GO
TO LINE 25, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
JOANNE PARK FROM A C L U
CALIFORNIA ACTION IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. AND WE'LL GO TO LINE
53. PLEASE GO AHEAD. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ON
UNIONS ON BEHALF OF THE ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION, A PROUD CO
SPONSOR OF THIS BILL. UM,
PROBABLY IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
AND NEXTGO TO LINE 33. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HI THIS IS MARK AMADOR
ON BEHALF OF CD A, UM THE NOTION
THAT THE FELONY MURDER SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES RULES ARE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, TOO EXPANSIVE
AND DO NOT ADEQUATELY LIMITED
PROSECUTORS FROM CHARGING
ORGANIZATION. IS UNTRUE. CDVA.
AND WE'LL GO TO THE LINE. 37,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI GOOD
MORNING. THIS IS ANDREW MUSE
FISHER WITH THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN
VOTERS OF CALIFORNIA AND WE ARE
IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
AND MR CHAIR AND NO FURTHER
COMMENTS INTO YOU. AT THIS TIME.
YOU WILL NOW HAVE WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. Ì1.
GOT FIVE MINUTES TOTAL WHENEVER
YOU'RE READY TO BEGIN. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR. MY NAME IS
LAUREN PETTIGREW. I'M HONORED TO
BE HERE AS A VOICE FOR THE
VICTIMS AND SURVIVING FAMILIES
LIKE MINE. IN 2000 AND SEVEN MY
22 YEAR OLD BROTHER, DAVID
PETTIGREW WAS MURDERED IN LONG
BEACH BY THREE MARINES WHO BROKE
INTO HIS APARTMENT WHILE HE WAS
ASLEEP. THE SHOOTER WAS A
STRANGER TO DAVID. HE WAS
RECRUITED AS AN UNPAID HITMAN BY
ANTHONY VIGEN, THE SUBJECT OF
THIS BILL AND HIS COUSIN. THEY
TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HIM BECAUSE HE
HAD A GUN AND COULD BE EASILY
MANIPULATED. TO DO WITH THE
MURDER THAT THEY DESIRED. THE
SHOOTER PLED GUILTY TO ALL
CHARGES AND ADMITTED THROUGH A
SWORN TESTIMONY WITHOUT A DEAL
THAT HE SHOT MY BROTHER IN THE
HEAD EXECUTION STYLE BECAUSE
VIRGIN ASKED HIM TO. ALL THREE
WERE CONVICTED OF FIRST DEGREE
MURDER AND FOUND GUILTY OF TWO
SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS
STORY SHOULD NOT BE UNFAMILIAR
ANTHONY VIGILANTE KNOWN TO YOU
NOW, AS TONY IS THE FACE OF THE
BILL. TONY DID NOT SELL HIS
LAPTOP FOR GAS MONEY TO VISIT
HIS MOM. AND NO ONE EXPERIENCE A
PTSD EPISODE IN THE APARTMENT.
THESE ARE UNTRUTH. SUPPORTERS OF
SB 300 WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE
THESE NEW DETAILS WERE NOT EVEN
PART OF THE LEGAL DEFENSE. YET
TONY IS THE POSTER CHILD FOR
WHO? THE PROPONENTS OF SP 300.
THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE THAT,
TONY, NOT MY BROTHER IS A VICTIM
AND THAT ALL PEOPLE LIKE TONY
AND OTHER HEINOUS MURDERERS
DESERVE TO BE SET FREE. IT IS
NOT A MISTAKE THAT TONY WAS
SENTENCED TO TELL WHAT IT IS
BECAUSE OF THE FELONY MURDER.
SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE RULE THAT
ALL PEOPLE LIKE TONY GUILTY OF
FIRST DEGREE MURDER IN ADDITION
TO BEING GUILTY OF ACTING AND
RECKLESS INDIFFERENCE FOR HUMAN
LIFE AND AS A PARTICIPANT IN A
SERIOUS SPECIFIED FELONY, WHICH
RESULTED IN DEATH FACE THE
MANDATORY SENTENCE OF L WOP OR
DEATH. SO THAT THEY CAN'T DO
THIS AGAIN. THESE ARE NOT
GETAWAY DRIVERS. THESE ARE THE
REAL MONSTERS. MY FAMILY HAS
BEEN BROKEN FOR 15 YEARS. WE ARE
TRUTHFULLY HAUNTED ON A DAILY
BASIS, AND I'M AFRAID THAT WILL
NEVER GO AWAY. IMAGINE HAVING
YOUR ONLY SON OR ONLY SIBLING
RIPPED AWAY FROM YOU AT THE
HANDS OF ANOTHER. MY BABY BOYS
WILL NEVER KNOW THEIR UNCLE
DAVID. AND ONE DAY I WILL HAVE
TO TELL THEM ABOUT THE MEN WHO
KILLED HIM. I HOPE MORE THAN
ANYTHING THAT WHEN THAT DAY
COMES, I CAN STILL SAY TO THEM.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY. THEY
WILL NEVER AGAIN WALK OUR
STREETS. SP HUNT 300 IS A SLAP
IN THE FACE TO VICTIMS AND THEIR
FAMILIES. I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF
ALL FAMILIES IMPACTED BY THIS
BILL. THIS INCLUDES THE FAMILY
OF 22 YEAR OLD BRITTANY KILGORE,
WHO WAS KIDNAPPED, RAPED,
TORTURED AND THEN KILLED BY
THREE PEOPLE IN SAN DIEGO. MY
FAMILY, LIKE MANY OTHERS SAT
THROUGH AGONIZING TRIALS, BUT WE
ULTIMATELY WERE GIVEN JUSTICE.
PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THAT JUSTICE
AWAY. PLEASE VOTE NO ON SB 300.
THANK YOU. DINING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS KIM STONE OF STONE
ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT OF CHINESE
OFFICE, AND VERY RESPECTFUL, BUT
I'M STRONG OPPOSITION TO SB 300.
THIS BILL WOULD CONTRAVENE THE
VOTERS MANDATE THE JUDGES NOT
DISMISS SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
FINDINGS UM AND WOULD ELIMINATE
SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES FOR FELONY
MURDERS WHERE THE DEFENDANT WAS
A MAJOR PARTICIPANT ACTING WITH
RECKLESS INDIFFERENCE TO HUMAN
LIFE. BY REPEALING PENAL CODE
SECTION 13 85.1, WHICH PROHIBITS
JUDGES FROM DISMISSING SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES FOUND TRUE AT
TRIAL OR ADMITTED BY THE
DEFENDANT. UM THIS SECTION WAS
ENACTED BY THE VOTERS IN 1990
THROUGH PROPOSITION 1 15 AS A
DIRECT RESPONSE TO A CALIFORNIA
SUPREME COURT. UH WHICH GAVE
JUDGES THAT DISCRETION. IN
PASSING PROPOSITION 1 15. THE
VOTERS ISSUED A MANDATE THAT
VERDICTS FINDING INDEPENDENT
GUILTY OF FIRST DEGREE MURDER
WITH ONE OR MORE SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD BE RESPECTED
AND FORCED AND NOT DISTURBED AS
LONG AS THERE WERE NO LEGAL
DEFICIENCIES IN THE VERDICT. THE
BILL ALSO REPEALS PENAL CODE
SECTION 1 92 D, WHICH WAS ALSO
ENACTED BY THE VOTERS IN THAT
PROPOSITION. THE VOTERS
DETERMINED THAT NON KILLERS
COULD BE CONVICTED OF SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES FOR FELONY MURDER
IF THEY WERE MAJOR PARTICIPANTS
, ACTING WITH RECKLESS
INDIFFERENCE TO HUMAN LIFE, EVEN
WITHOUT INTENT TO KILL. THE
VOTERS DETERMINED THAT PEOPLE
WHO ARE MAJOR PARTICIPANTS IN
PARTICULARLY VIOLENT FELONIES
LIKE ROBBERY, RAPE, CHILD
MOLESTATION SHOULD RECEIVE A
GREATER PUNISHMENT IF A PERSON
I KILLED DURING THE OFFENSE AND
THAT THE AND THAT THE PERSON
ACTED WITH RECKLESS INDIFFERENCE
TO HUMAN LIFE. THIS BILL ALSO
REQUIRES DISMISSAL SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES UNLESS THE
PROSECUTION CAN PROVE BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THE
DEFENDANT IS AN L. OH, NO,
THAT'S THE RE SENTENCING PART.
SO THE THESE KIND OF CASES
SOMETIMES ARISE WHERE VICTIMS
ARE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY
MULTIPLE PERPETRATORS. IF YOU
CONSIDER A CASE WHERE TWO
DEFENDANTS KIDNAPPED AND
SEXUALLY ASSAULT THE VICTIM, ONE
PERPETRATOR KILLS THE VICTIM.
PERHAPS BY SLITTING HER THROAT
OR SUFFOCATING HER WITH DUCT
TAPE. THE PROSECUTION MAY BE IN
THE POSITION OF BEING UNABLE TO
PROVE WHICH DEFENDANT WAS THE
ACTUAL KILLER, OR THAT THE NON
KILLER HAD AN EXPRESS INTENT TO
KILL. THAT IS ONE REASON WHY THE
VOTERS ENACTED PROPOSITION 15 TO
ENSURE THAT MAJOR PARTICIPANTS
IN DANGEROUS FELONIES ACTING
WITH RECKLESS INDIFFERENCE COULD
BE APPROPRIATELY PUNISHED FOR
SUCH VIOLENT CRIMES. THAT'S WHY
THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION MUST
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. WILL NOW GO TO THE
HEARING ROOM. ARE THEY ANY OTHER
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION NAME
AND ORGANIZATION? HELLO MY NAME
IS SHARON PETTIGREW, A MOTHER OF
DAVID PETTIGREW FROM LONG BEACH,
CALIFORNIA AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE
THIS BILL. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS
CRAIG PETTIGREW, THE FATHER OF
DAVID PETTIGREW. I'M FROM LONG
BEACH, CALIFORNIA ALSO, AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS BILL. THANK
YOU. I AM NANCY MUNSER, SISTER
IN LAW TO DAVID MURDER VICTIM,
DAVID PETTIGREW FROM SAN
FRANCISCO. I STRONGLY OPPOSE
THIS BILL. DAN MONZER FROM SAN
FRANCISCO BROTHER IN LAW TO
MURDER VICTIM I OPPOSE THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. TOPO PADILLA ON
BEHALF OF CRIME VICTIMS UNITED
IN OPPOSITION OF SB 300. THE
VOTERS SPOKE AND THAT
PROPOSITION OF THE REFERENCED
THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL GO TO THE
PHONE LINES, WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION TO SB 300 COURTESY.
THANK MISS CHAIR AND FOR THOSE
ON THE PHONE IF YOU'D LIKE TO
SPEAK IN OUR POSITION OF SP 300,
PLEASE PRESS 10. FIRST WOULD
ALIGN NUMBER 28, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MITCH CHAIR MEMBERS,
RANDY PERRY ON BEHALF OF BORIC
AND OPPOSITION. NEXT LITTLE LINE
33, PLEASE GO AHEAD. MARK
AMADOR. IN OPPOSITION TO SB 300
ON BEHALF OF CBA. NEXT WE GO TO
LINUS 64. PLEASE GO AHEAD. LINE
64. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. HI I
ACTUALLY CALL IN TO SUPPORT A
BEAT 300. SO CAN I SPEAK? YOUR
NAME AND ORGANIZATION. AND
SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION. BY MY
NAME IS JOHN. WE UM AND I'M
CALLING ON THE BEHALF OF WHEEL
PEOPLE AND THINK THAT
UNDERSTANDING HAGO POLITICIANS
SUPPORT THAT BILL AND THIS BILL
ALSO, UM, AFFECTED ME AND MY
FAMILY. THANK YOU. NEXT THE LINE
AT 22. PLEASE GO AHEAD. TIME IS
LAUREN POWERS, FRIEND OF DAVID
PETTIGREW, WHO WAS MURDERED IN
LONG BEACH IN 2000 AND SEVEN I
STRONGLY OPPOSE SB 300. THANK
YOU. NEXT TO GO TO LYON. 65.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. ALEXANDRA CAM
FROM HAVE MURDERED VICTIM DAVID
PETTIGREW ALONG THE TONIGHT
STRONGLY OPPOSED THE 300. THANK
YOU. NEXT WE GO TO LINE 50,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS, JONATHAN FELDMAN ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA POLICE
CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, OPPOSING THE
BILL. NEXT WE GO TO LINE 35,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. TIFFANY
MATTHEWS ON BEHALF OF THE ORANGE
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE AND OFFICE. THANK YOU.
NEXT WORD ALIGNED. 56. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. JILL SCHAFFER FEEL BEACH
, CALIFORNIA FRIEND OF MURDERED
VICTIMS DAVID CATEGORY AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED SB 300. THANK
YOU. LINE. 14, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
KELLY READ ON BEHALF OF KEEP
CALIFORNIA SAFE AND CRIME
SURVIVORS PACK IN STRONG
OPPOSITION TO SB 300. THANK YOU.
LINE. 20, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI
THIS IS NIKKI MONZER, FAMILY
MEMBER OF DAVID PETTIGREW AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED SB 300. LINE.
41, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME
IS MARISSA. ARCHIE KOVIC. I'M IN
STRONG OPPOSITION OF SP 300 AS A
CONCERNED MOTHER OF THREE. THANK
YOU. LINE. 36, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
BUYING 36. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HI. MY NAME IS TINA MONGO. AND I
OPPOSED AS THE 300. QUÊ. NEXT
WE'LL GO TO LINE 17, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. BRIAN SWANSON. I'M FAMILY
AND MURDERED VICTIM DAVID
PETTIGREW FROM LONG BEACH AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED SB 300. NEXT
WORLD TO LINE 31, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI I'M SCOTT SWANSON.
LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA FRIEND OF
MURDERED VICTIM DAVID PETTIGREW
AND I STRONGLY OPPOSED SP 300.
BLIND 12, PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES
MY NAME IS MICHELLE REST. W R E
S T. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF MY
DAUGHTER, BRITTANY KILGORE, WHO
WAS MURDERED IN CALIFORNIA IN
2000 AND 12 AND OUR FAMILY
STRONGLY OPPOSES SP 300. THANK
YOU. THAT'S WHAT ALIGNED 58,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING.
JENNIFER LEVIN RADIATE ATTORNEY
LIVING IN LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA
AND FRIEND OF MURDER VICTIM
DAVID PETTIGREW STRONGLY OPPOSED
THIS BILL. NEXT WHETHER THE LINE
66 PLEASE GO AHEAD. LEILA AZIZ
PILLARS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I
STRONGLY SUPPORT AS THE 300.
NEXT TO THE LINE. 30, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MY NAME IS ELIZABETH
MONZER. I'M A FAMILY MEMBER OF
MURDER VICTIM DAVID PETTIGREW
AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS BILL.
LINE. 34, PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR
CHAIR MEMBERS. RYAN, CHAIRMAN
WITH RIVERSIDE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION OPPOSITION.
ALSO IN OPPOSITION, UM FINE
POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATIONS
FROM CLAREMONT. COMMANDER,
CALLOUS FORTIES. REPORT BEACH
UPLAND SANTA ANA BURBANK. SINGLE
WORD. ARCADIA, RIVERSIDE
PORTANTINO. AND COVER CITY ALL
IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. NEXT WITH A LINE THAT 21
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. MY NAME IS
JEFF MUNSER WEATHER IN LAW TO
YOU DAVID PETTIGREW, WHO WAS
MURDERED IN 2000 AND SEVEN I
STRONGLY OPPOSED SB 300. LINE.
68, PLEASE GO AHEAD. NAME IS
VIRGINIA CASADA. I AM AN L WOP
WIFE AND I AM CALLING ON BEHALF
OF MY MYSELF AND MY FAMILY TO
STRONGLY SUPPORT SENATE BILL
300. THANK YOU. ALTHOUGH THE
LINE 67 PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY
NAME IS NIKKI CZARSKY. I'M A
FAMILY FRIEND OF THE
PETTIGREW'S. I STRONGLY OPPOSED
SB 300. THANK YOU. AND MR CHAIR.
NO FURTHER COMMENTS IN QUÊ.
OKAY? AND WE'LL NOW BRING IT
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. MR QUIRK.
I WAS JUST REREADING. ALL THE
BILLS THAT WE'VE PASSED. TO
LIMIT. THE CULPABILITY OF PEOPLE
WHO HAVE NO MALICE DIDN'T KNOW
THE CRIME WOULD THAT TO THE
CRIME OF MURDER WOULD BE
COMMITTED, PERHAPS AH! AH, THE.
WOMAN WHO SPOKE HERE EARLIER AND
SUPPORT OF THE BILL WOULD BE
COVERED UNDER THAT. UM SO WHAT?
WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOUR CHANGE
DO COULD YOU GIVE US EXAMPLES?
NOT NECESSARILY OF A REAL CASE,
BUT OF THE SORTS OF THINGS
YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND HOW
YOUR BILL WOULD CHANGE THAT.
THANK YOU. SO REMEMBER. LET ME
JUST SAY FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH
, TO THE PEDIGREE, FAMILY AND
OTHER FAMILIES WHO HER BEEN
IMPACTING THE VICTIMIZED BY
HORRIFIC CRIMES AND TRAGEDIES,
PARTICULARLY HOMICIDES. UM. MY
HEART GOES OUT TO YOU. BUT I DO
WANT TO INDICATE VERY CLEARLY
THAT ONE THING THIS BILL DOES
NOT DO IS RE SENTENCE WERE
ALLOWED TO BE RELEASED. ANYBODY
WHO'S ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED AS
SOON THE CASE OF DAVID
PETTIGREW. THE VICTIM. UM EARLY
ON, AND I DO WANT TO APOLOGIZE.
THERE'S ANY CONFUSION ON THE
LONG HISTORY OF THIS BILL. AS
ALL OF YOU KNOW, AS AS
LEGISLATORS WHO WHO WORKED YOUR
OWN BILLS. THERE WERE CONCERNS
ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR RE
SENTENCING. THE BILL ORIGINALLY
HAD LANGUAGE IN IT THAT WOULD
HAVE ALLOWED THAT HAD IT. HAD IT
MADE IT THIS FAR MADE IT TO THE
GOVERNOR'S DESK, BUT THOSE
PROVISIONS WERE AMENDED OUT AND
THAT'S WHY I SAID IN THE
OPENING. THIS BILL IS
PROSPECTIVE. NOT RETROSPECTIVE.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE,
REMAIN THAT WAY FROM HERE ON
OUT. SO WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS
IN THE APPROXIMATE 15 OR SO
SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES CASES THAT
OCCUR AND THAT'S AN
APPROXIMATION BASED ON UM
AVERAGES IN THOSE CASES, IT
WON'T CHANGE CULPABILITY
ASSEMBLY MEMBER AT ALL THE ROLE
OF THE JURY DOESN'T CHANGE
WHATSOEVER HEARD IN PART OF THE
TESTIMONY FROM A JUROR. THE JURY
IN THAT CASE WASN'T INFORMED AS
TO WHAT THE SENTENCING. THE
MAXIMUMS OR LIMITATIONS WERE AND
THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE
CASE. WHAT DOES CHANGE? IS THAT
IN THOSE 15 OR SO CASES EVERY
YEAR THE, UH, THE ACCESSORY.
THOSE CHARGED WITH SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES IN THOSE CASES. IN
THE SENTENCING PHASE. AFTER
CONVICTION WILL HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY. T. UM IN TERMS OF
THE PROCESS. TO INTRODUCE ANY
REINTRODUCING THE UNDERLYING
FACTS IN THE CASE THAT HAVE BEEN
TRIED AS UM A SENTENCING PLEA TO
THE JUDGE. FOR A SENTENCE OTHER
THAN LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE OR
DEATH. NOW IT MAY BE IN 15 OUT
OF 15 CASES UNDER THAT JUDICIAL
DISCRETION. THE JUDGE MAY UPHOLD
L WOP OR DEATH. MAYBE THERE'S A
CASE LIKE TAMMY COOPER'S CASE.
IT MAY BE THAT THE JUDGE SAYS IN
THIS CASE. 25 TO LIFE IS A MORE
APPROPRIATE SENTENCE. BECAUSE OF
THE UNDERLYING FACTS. WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO ALLOW IS THAT
OPPORTUNITY. FOR DUE PROCESS
DURING ADDITIONAL DUE PROCESS
DURING THE SENTENCING PHASE OF
FOR THAT ARGUMENT TO BE MADE. BY
SOMEBODY CONVICTED. AND RIGHT
NOW, THAT DOES NOT OCCUR. THAT
DOES NOT ESSENTIALLY IT'S A IT'S
MOOT BECAUSE THERE'S NO POINT IN
HAVING A DISCUSSION THERE, AND
THERE'S THEREFORE THERE IS NO
LACK OF DUE PROCESS WHEN THE
ONLY POSSIBLE SENTENCES L WOP OR
DEATH. NO JUDGE IS GOING TO. TO
INVEST TIME IN HEARING WHY L WOP
OR DEATH IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN A
PARTICULAR CASE. WE DON'T KNOW.
HOW MANY CASES PROSPECTIVELY. A
JUDGE WOULD EXERCISE DISCRETION
OR WHERE A JUDGE THAT WOULD
EXERCISE DISCRETION TO ACTUALLY
AH! SENTENCE OTHER THAN A
WHOPPER DEATH, BUT WE THINK
BECAUSE OF THE COMPUTATIONS THAT
WE'VE SEEN BECAUSE OF THE FACTS
THA WE'VE SEEN BECAUSE OF THE
BODY OF EVIDENCE NOW THAT THIS
LAW HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME
THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE CASES
WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
JUDICIAL DISCRETION IS KEY. AND
THAT'S REALLY ALL THE BILL IS
ABOUT. I THINK WE ALL TEND TO
COMPLICATE THE BILL A LITTLE
MUCH. I'LL BE AH! THE FIRST
PERSON TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I DO
THAT AT TIMES, BUT THE BILL IS
BASICALLY A SENTENCING BILL.
THAT'S LOOKING FOR JUDICIAL
DISCRETION. IT MEANS FULL
JUDICIAL DISCRETION WHERE THE
JUDGE CAN CONTINUE. UM, DOWN THE
COURSE OF L OPERA DEATH. IF THE
JUDGE SO CHOOSES. ALL RIGHT, SO
JUST TO SUMMARIZE THIS WOULD
ONLY AND MAKE SURE I'M SAYING
THIS RIGHT? THIS WOULD ONLY GO
INTO EFFECT. AFTER SOMEONE HAS
BEEN CONVICTED BY A JURY,
POSSIBLY OF MURDER. AND THEN,
WHEN THE SENTENCING COMES FROM
THE JUDGE, HE IS ALLOWED TO USE
DISCRETION. IN TERMINATING IN
DETERMINING THE SENTENCE AS
OPPOSED TO RIGHT NOW WHERE THE
JUDGE HAS NO AH! NO ROLE. THAT'S
CORRECT. OKAY, I'LL MOVE THE
BILL. THANK YOU. THE ARTO. THANK
YOU. SO. I'M REALLY CONCERNED
ABOUT BILLS AND BILLS LIKE THIS.
UM. ONE OF THE THINGS I'M
CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE IS THE
VULGARITY BETWEEN WHO'S WHO'S
THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY DID THE
CRIME AND WHO'S THE ACCESSORY?
BECAUSE THERE WAS LOTS OF
HEINOUS CRIMES OUT THERE. THAT
ARE DONE, AND IT'S ALMOST
IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE. UH OR
THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE
THAT NEITHER ONE OF THEM WAS THE
ACTUAL MURDERER. UM ONE THAT
COMES O MIND SPECIFICALLY FOR
ME. 35 YEARS LATER, GOING
RESPONDING ON THE TRASH FIRE.
AND WHAT IT TURNED OUT TO BE WAS
A YOUNG LADY WHO WAS BOUND AND
GAGGED AND LIT ON FIRE. LIT ON
FIRE IN AN ALLEY. WHILE HER
BOYFRIEND WATCHED. AND THEN THEY
AT LEAST TOOK HIM AWAY AFTER
THAT, AND HE DIDN'T HAVE TO
SUFFER AND MISERY TOO LONG
BECAUSE THEY PUT A BULLET IN HIS
HEAD. SO IN THE CASE LIKE THIS,
YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON DID THE
GASOLINE AND THE OTHER DID THE
MATCH. NOW SPRINKLING SOMEBODY
WITH GASOLINE AND OF ITSELF IS
NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO THEM
OTHER THAN THEY HAVE TO GO. WASH
IT OFF AND THROWING A MATCH IS
SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT GONNA LIGHT
THEM ON FIRE. THERE'S TWO PEOPLE
THEY MEANT TO DO IT. AND THESE
KIND OF THESE KIND OF INCIDENTS
ARE THE ONES THAT ARE STUCK IN
MY BRAIN. 35 YEARS LATER, I CAN
TELL YOU WHAT TENNIS SHOES SHE
WAS WEARING. BECAUSE YOU KNOW
HER FAMILY WERE VICTIMS OF THIS
CRIME, BUT THERE'S ALSO OTHER
VICTIMS OUT THERE OF THOSE
CRIMES. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES
THAT I THINK ABOUT. WHEN WE'RE
GOING THROUGH THESE BILLS. AND
THAT'S WHAT I SEE. AND I SEE
SOMEBODY WALKING. WALKING FREE.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THE RAGE OF
THEIR FAMILY AND THE VICTIMS.
BECAUSE IN THIS CASE THE VICTIMS
ARE DEAD. BUT THEIR FAMILIES ARE
NOT AND TO KNOW. THAT THAT'S
WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM. I DON'T
KNOW WHAT RACES THEY WERE OR
ANYTHING. SHE WAS BURNED BEYOND
RECOGNITION, AND ALL I HEARD WAS
THAT THEY HAD BEEN ARRESTED A
MONTH LATER OR SOMETHING. AND IN
THE CIRCUMSTANCES, SO HOW DOES
HOW DOES THIS BILL STOP. I MEAN,
HOW DOES IT HOW DOES IT ENSURE
THAT PEOPLE LIKE THAT. GET
WHAT'S COMING TO HIM. AND THAT'S
WHAT I DON'T WANT THEM WANDERING
AROUND THE STREETS. I DON'T WANT
MY DAUGHTER TO BE ONE OF THEIR
VICTIMS. THANK YOU. EXCELLENT
QUESTION IN THERE. AND AGAIN,
YOU KNOW? NO I'LL DO COMPASSION
AND CONCERN TO THOSE
CIRCUMSTANCES. WHAT'S DIFFERENT
IN THAT FACT PATTERN? UM. THE
WAY YOU DESCRIBED. IT IS YOU
SAID BOTH PERSONS MEANT TO KILL.
UM THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN SPECIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT'S INTENSE,
STRAIGHT UP INTENT TO KILL. THIS
BILL ALSO DOESN'T CHANGE THE
FELONY MURDER RULE. THEY
INTENDED A DIFFERENT CRIME.
ASSAULT BATTERY, AND IT ENDED UP
IN A HOMICIDE. THIS BILL WOULD
CHANGE NOTHING. THIS BILL IS
SPECIFICALLY. DEALING WITH THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR A JUDGE. IN THE
JUDGE'S BEST DISCRETION OR
CIRCUMSTANCES INDICATE THAT ONE
OF THOSE PERSONS DID NOT MEAN TO
KILL. AND PERHAPS WAS NOT EVEN
ON THE SCENE. AS AN EXAMPLE. FOR
THE JUDGE, NOT TO FREE THAT
PERSON OR DISMISS THE CASE. OR
CHANGE. IN THE NOTION THAT
SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES EXISTED.
BECAUSE THEY EXIST OR THEY DON'T
BASED ON THE FACTS. BASED ON THE
UNDERLYING CRIME, THE UNDERLYING
FACTS. BUT TO HEAR. IN THE
SENTENCING PHASE ARGUMENTS THAT
INDEPENDENT MIGHT WANT TO BRING
TO INDICATE THAT HE OR SHE DID
NOT MEAN TO KILL THERE WAS NOT
INTENT. UM AND THEY WERE NOT. IN
CASES OF DIFFERENT PATTERNS.
ACTUALLY, THE PERSON WHO KILLED
SO IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T CHANGE
THOSE FACTS AT ALL. IT WOULDN'T
APPLY TO THOSE FACTS. TYPICALLY
AND IT WOULDN'T APPLY THE FACTS
AS WE KNOW. WE HAVE WAS ON THE
BOOKS, BOTH COMMON LAW AND PENAL
CODE THAT DEFINED CONSPIRACY.
THE DEFINED. FACT PATTERNS WHERE
THERE ARE TWO ACTORS OR MORE. OF
LIKE MIND, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER
OR NOT THEY'RE BOTH PRESENT ON
THE SCENE. THOSE WOULD STILL
RESULT. IN. CONVICTIONS UM, THAT
ARE BASED ON INTENT TO KILL.
THERE ARE LOTS OF CASES WERE
INTENT TO KILL. IN THE STATE WAS
PROVEN. AND THE INDIVIDUAL
SERVING TIME. IS NOT SERVING
LIFE WITHOUT POSSIBILITY OF PRO
OR DEATH. UM SERHANE SER HAND
WOULD BE PROBABLY THE. MANY MANY
YEARS AGO, THE THOUGHT THAT
COMES TO MY MIND AS I WAS
WATCHING THE ELECTION RETURNS AS
A 12 YEAR OLD THAT NIGHT. IN
ROBERT F. KENNEDY. WAS
ASSASSINATED. HER HAND WAS
CONVICTED. OR HAND, AS YOU KNOW,
HAD HIS MOST RECENT PAROLE
HEARING. UM AND ULTIMATELY THE
GOVERNOR HAD TO MAKE A DECISION
WHETHER TO RELEASE HIM. SO WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT CERTAIN JUST
SENTENCING DISCRETION THAT MAY
CHANGE THE SENTENCING, NOT
DISMISSED, NOT RELEASED, BUT MAY
CHANGE THE LENGTH OF THE
SENTENCE. IN IN SOME OF THESE
ROUGHLY 15 CASES THAT THAT COME
WITH THESE PARTICULAR TYPES OF
FACTS BEFORE THE JUDGE. THANK
YOU, SOMEBODY MEMBER. THANK YOU.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENT. YOU MAKE
POST, MR COURTESY. THANK YOU.
AGAIN I JUST I JUST WANT TO
EMPHASIZE THAT I BELIEVE THE
BILL AS CURRENTLY IN PRINT. THE
BILL THAT'S ACTUALLY BEFORE YOU
TODAY IS A MODEST REFORM NARROW
IN SCOPE. IN PRACTICE. AS I SAID
MULTIPLE TIMES AND I'M SORRY TO
BE REDUNDANT. UM THERE ARE ABOUT
15 CASES ON AVERAGE A YEAR.
WHERE THE JUDGE WOULD OPEN UP
ITS SENTENCING HEARING. UM IT
AND ASSESS THE FACTS AND MAKE A
DETERMINATION AS TO THE LENGTH
OF THE SENTENCE. NEVERTHELESS,
AND WE DON'T KNOW. WHETHER ONE
OR FIVE OR ZERO OR PERHAPS, OR
15 OF THEM WOULD GET A SENTENCE
OF LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE. THAT
WOULD DEPEND ON THE SPECIFIC
FACTS OF THOSE SPECIFIC CASES.
AND THAT JUDICIAL DISCRETION. UM
NEVERTHELESS, THE IMPACT OF THIS
BILL ON THE LIVES OF DEFENDANTS
THEIR FAMILIES, FAMILIES OF
VICTIMS WILL BE PROFOUND. WE'VE
HEARD TESTIMONY TODAY, HEART
WRENCHING TESTIMONY FROM VICTIMS
ON THE SUPPORT. VICTIMS FAMILIES
ON THE SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION
SIDE. UM BOTH WITH CONCERN. I
RESPECT THAT VERY MUCH. BUT WE
THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
ELEMENT OF DUE PROCESS. THAT
NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED IN THE
SENTENCING SCHEME. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS.
THIS IS A TOUGH ONE BY AND NO
STRETCH OF THE MERIT
IMAGINATION. THIS IS AN EASY
DECISION. UM GO AHEAD AND CALL
THE ROLE. THEY WERE FIRST AND A
SECOND ON SB 300 BY SENATOR
COURTESY. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASSED TO THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE, JOAN SAWYER. JOHN
SAWYER. I LACKEY LACKEY. NO
BONTA. PLAN TO I BRIAN, BRIAN, I
WORK I WORK I SANTIAGO CR TOE CR
TWO NÓ. MEASURES DON'T CALL
NEEDS ONE MORE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. WE NEED. SENATOR SKINNER.
PORTS, SENATOR WIENER. MR WEINER
IN JUDICIAL. MAYBE FOR A WHILE.
SO, SENATOR SKINNER IF YOU'RE
WITHIN EARSHOT.
LANE.
A SEMI MEMBER BRIAN ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. I, BRIAN AYE.
HI. THE SKINNER HOW ARE YOU? SP
9 60 SKINNER. PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT,
PEACE OFFICERS CITIZENSHIP. YOU
BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU
MEMBERS. APOLOGIES FOR KEEPING
YOU WAITING. AH! I JUST HAD A
LITTLE MISHAP LAST NIGHT WITH MY
CAR BREAKING DOWN AND THEN
LEAVING MY CAR. MY PHONE IN THE
LIFT CAR THAT GAVE ME A RIDE
FROM MY BROKEN CAR. BUT ENOUGH.
I'M HERE NOW, AND I WILL PRESENT
MY BILL. UM SP 9 60. WILL
CORRECT SOMETHING THAT. IS IN
STATE LAW, BUT IT'S NOT IN EVERY
OTHER STATES LAW, AND THAT IS A
STATEMENT THAT SAYS A PERSON
MUST BE A US CITIZEN IN ORDER TO
BE A PEACE OFFICER IN CALIFORNIA
. NOW, LET ME CLARIFY THE. THERE
ARE MANY STATES, THE MILITARY SO
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MILITARY, YOU
CAN BE A MILITARY POLICE
OFFICER. WITHOUT BEING A U. S
CITIZEN AS LONG AS YOU HAVE
LEGAL WORK AUTHORIZATION, SO
LEGAL WORTH AUTHORIZATION,
OBVIOUSLY, AS THINGS LIKE GREEN
CARD, THERE'S A VARIETY OF OTHER
VISAS AND SUCH BUT OUR STATE
PROHIBITS THAT SO PEOPLE THAT
ARE PERMANENT RESIDENTS. GREW
UP. LIFT YOUR OLDER LIFE, UH,
AND CAN BE MILITARY POLICE
COMMANDERS. CANNOT BE A PEACE
OFFICER HERE IN CALIFORNIA. SO
MY BILL WOULD CORRECT THAT. AND
IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE EVERY BIT
OF REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE POLICE
AGENCIES REQUIRE. IN ORDER FOR
YOU TO BE HIRED AND TO BE
QUALIFIED. AND SERVED THE ONLY
THING IT WOULD LIFT. SO YOU
MUST. YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE
LEGALLY WORK AUTHORIZED. IT JUST
REMOVES THAT ONE STIPULATION. SO
IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION
BY THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA
BECAUSE THEY HAD AH! STUDENTS
WHO THEN WANTED TO GO TO THEIR
ACADEMY TO BECOME C POLICE
OFFICERS AND THEN COULD NOT SO,
UH, LET ME INTRODUCE MY
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. AND THEY
ARE ERNESTO MARONE, WHO IS A U
C. DAVIS CADET? AND UH, MY
APOLOGIES, BUT MY SECOND
WITNESSES NAME IS NOT LISTED, SO
I WILL LET HIM INTRODUCE
HIMSELF. GO AHEAD. FIVE MINUTES
TOTAL ANYWAY. YOU WANT OKAY,
CORRECT. GOOD MORNING, MR
CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS JOE FARROW
. I'M CURRENTLY THE CHIEF OF
POLICE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA DAVIS. PART OF THAT
SPENT 37 YEARS WITH THE
CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL IN THE
LAST 10 AS THE COMMISSIONER.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, SIR,
REALLY IS I'M HERE FOR REALLY
THIS WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO BRING
FORWARD THAT THE MEMBER JUST
TALKED ABOUT HIS THAT SINCE I'VE
BEEN AT DAVIS, WE HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE AND TRAIN
MANY. UH, UNDOCUMENTED. STUDENTS
WHO CAME THROUGH OUR ACADEMY
INTO OUR DEPARTMENT WHERE WE
KNEW, AND WE FELT THAT THEY
WOULD MAKE GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS
TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
PROFESSION. THEIR STUDENTS THAT
HAVE WORKED FOR US FOR THREE OR
FOUR YEARS. THEY THEN GO THROUGH
OUR POLICE ACADEMY AND THEY COME
OUT AND THEY SCORE VERY, VERY
WELL AND THEY DISTINGUISH
THEMSELVES ONLY FOR US TO LEARN
OF A LAW THAT'S BEEN ON THE
BOOKS FOR A LONG, LONG, LONG
TIME THAT REQUIRES CITIZENSHIP
FOR THEM TO BE POLICE OFFICERS.
WE REALLY BELIEVE IN TODAY'S
DATE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW
WE'RE STRUGGLING TO FILL THE
RANKS, TRYING TO RECRUIT THE
BEST TO REFLECT OUR COMMUNITIES
THAT WE SERVE. THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WE FELT THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA FELT AT THE TIME. WE
WANTED TO COME TO THE
LEGISLATURE TO SEE IF WE CAN'T
CHANGE THAT LONG. THAT'S WHY I'M
HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR
VOTE YOUR SUPPORTIVE VOTE ON
THIS BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING
THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO US, AND
WE REALLY BELIEVE IT'S TIME.
THANK YOU. YES, SIR. GOOD
MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS EARL
ESTÁN. BARON AND I GRADUATED UC
DAVIS IN 2020 OF JUNE. WHILE
ATTENDING UC DAVIS. I BEGAN
WORKING FOR THE UNIVERSITY
POLICE DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE
SECURITY. OFFICER AS WELL AS AN
AGGIE HOST SECURITY SUPERVISOR.
YOU KNOW, I PROVIDED COUNTLESS
HOURS OF SAFETY AND SECURITY
SERVICES WHILE WORKING AH, WHAT
I ENJOYED THE MOST WAS SERVING
THAT COMMUNITY. DURING MY SENIOR
YEAR I ATTENDED THE DAVIS POLICE
ACADEMY. AND DISTINGUISHED
MYSELF IN SEVERAL DISCIPLINES.
AH AND IT'S BEEN MY LAWFUL
LIFELONG GOAL TO BECOME A POLICE
OFFICER. TYPICALLY UH TOP
CANDIDATES FROM THE ACADEMY ARE
EVALUATED FOR SWORN OFFICER
POSITIONS. WITHIN THE
UNIVERSITY'S POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH I BELIEVE YESTERDAY WAS HAD
EVERY INTENTION TO HIRE ME. AS A
SWORN POLICE OFFICER. THE
CURRENT LAW PROHIBITS IT. AS A.
THREE YEAR OLD FOUR YEAR OLD I
WAS BROUGHT TO THE US BY MY
MOTHER WHO SAW GREATER
OPPORTUNITIES FOR MY FAMILY. NOW
I'M 25 YEARS OLD. UM AND
REMAINED IN CALIFORNIA THE
ENTIRE TIME. AND I EVEN HAVE A
YOUNGER SISTER IS GOING TO
ATTEND. YOU SAVE US IN THE BAR.
AH I AM ALSO A DOCTOR RECIPIENT.
UM, SO I HAD DACA SINCE IT CAME
OUT BACK IN 2012. UH FROM FROM
FORMER PRESIDENT OBAMA. UM. SO
NOT BEING ABLE TO BE HIRED AS A
SWORN OFFICER. UH YOU KNOW, YOU
SAID DAVIS HAS HIRED ME AS A
MANAGER FOR THE A G HOST
SECURITY PROGRAM BEFORE THE
UNIVERSITY WHERE I SUPERVISE 75
STUDENTS. AS WELL AS HAVING
OPERATING BUDGET OF A HALF
MILLION DOLLARS. AH I WENT
THROUGH AND PAST THE SAME POLICE
BACKGROUND CHECK. THAT'S SWORN
OFFICERS MUST PASS TO GET THE
POSITION ENVIRONMENT TODAY. THIS
BILL WILL ALLOW ME AND COUNTLESS
OTHERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO
FULFILL MY DREAM OF SERVING THE
COMMUNITIES WHERE I WAS RAISED.
EDUCATED AND LIVE AS A FORMER
POLICE OFFICER. AND I JUST
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT ON ESPIONAGE. THANK YOU
. ARE THERE ANY OTHER WHEN IT IS
IN THE HEARING ROOM AND SUPPORT
FOR SB 9 60. NICCOLO DELUCA HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE OAKLAND MAYOR
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. CHRIS MEYERS WITH THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT WE NOW
GOT THE PHONE LINES OR THE
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT FOR SB 9
60. OPERATED OPEN UP THE LINE.
THANK YOU FOR SUPPORT OF SB 9 60
, PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN ZERO. GO. TO CLAIMS 77. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
TURN MEMBERS JONATHAN FELDMAN
WITH THE CALIFORNIA POLICE
CHIEFS ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT
YEAH. THANK YOU. LION. 11.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MARK OUT GEORGE
WITH THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. LINE. 61,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
MAURICIO RODRIGUEZ AND
SUPPORTIVE AS BEING 9 60. MR
CHAIR. THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN
THE QUEUE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. T
GIVE THEM ROOM SO YOU CAN COME
COMMITTEE AND SENATOR SKINNER.
MY NAME IS JULIO DELEON,
REPRESENTING THE RIVERS HAD KIND
OF SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND
SHERIFF CHAD BIANCO IN LIGHT OF
THE RECENT AMENDMENTS TO THE
BILL. WE WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY
WITHDRAW OUR OPPOSITION SHARE.
BIANCA WOULD LIKE TO THANK
SENATOR SKINNER AND HER OFFICE
FOR CONSIDERING OUR POSITION AND
FOR MANY OF THE BILL TO
ACCOMMODATE OUR MOST PERTINENT
CONCERNS. UM SURE, BIANCA WOULD
LIKE TO EXPRESS HIS GRATITUDE
FOR REACHING OUT AND REACHING
OUT TO OUR OFFICE AND REACHING
THIS COMPROMISE, AND HE STANDS
FIRM AND WORKING WITH ANY
LEGISLATOR FROM ANY FROM EITHER
PARTY. FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MATTERS
. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, SHERIFF. WE ALWAYS LIKE FOR
THINGS TO WORK OUT. ARE THERE
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN THE ROOM
AND OPPOSITION WILL NOW GO TO
THE PHONE LINES, WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. FOR WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION TO SB 9 60, PLEASE
PRESS 10. AND LINE 28. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. MR CHAIR MEMBERS. RANDY
PERRY WEBSITE BRACKEN CHP, UM
QUICK QUESTION SINCE I'M HOME
SICK AND I HAVE A MINUTE TO BE
THE PRIMARY OPPOSITION. UM, WE
JUST HAD. WE JUST HAD IT SO YOU
KNOW WHAT? WE HAVE A LITTLE
TIME. GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE 2.5
MINUTES. HOW ABOUT THAT? HERE I
WON'T NEED THAT MUCH. I WAS
LITERALLY JUST WHAT TO SAY.
APPRECIATE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE
BILL. UM FOREX. ONLY REAL
CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS JUST
THE BACKGROUND CHECKS. UM YOU
KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE GENTLEMAN
WHO FROM UC DAVIS, WHO SPOKE IN
SUPPORT, AND THAT SITUATION IS
CERTAINLY ONE THAT YOU KNOW WE
WOULD. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE
THAT HAVE HIM THROUGH THE
ACADEMY AND BECAUSE PEACE
OFFICER I THINK IT'S THE
SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEONE COMES
HERE JUST FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM THERE, YOU KNOW, 27 YEARS OLD
AND THEY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE
ACADEMY. WE HAVE VERY LITTLE
BACKGROUND ON THEM. AND OUR
COMPLETE BACKGROUND IS GOING TO
BE BASED ON WHAT THE FEDS HAVE
DONE. AND TO THIS DAY, I STILL
HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND WHAT
THE FEDS ACTUALLY DO TO GIVE
SOMEBODY A VISA OR WORK EITHER
WORKING OR PERMANENT STATUS AS A
CITIZEN, SO UM, THAT THAT IS
JUST OUR CONCERN. WE'VE WE'VE
SPOKEN WITH THE CHIEFS WERE
WORKING WITH THEM THAT THE
SENATOR'S OFFICE HAS BEEN
WONDERFUL REACHING OUT TO US, UM
OR ARE CONCERNED WHEN WE ARE
TRYING TO MAKE THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT PROFESSION AS ALL OF
YOU ON THIS COMMITTEE, NO AS AS
DOES THE AUTHOR OF THE BILL.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT, YOU
KNOW, INCREASE THE STANDARDS OF
THE OFFICERS CONSTANTLY
INCREASING THEIR EDUCATION
ELECTION. WE JUST WANT TO BE
EXTREMELY CAREFUL, ESPECIALLY
WHEN WE HAVE LICENSING PROGRAMS
NOW FOR LONG FOR THAT. PEOPLE
WHO ARE BECOMING PEACE OFFICERS
IN THE FUTURE. WE KNOW WHAT
THEIR BACKGROUND IS. WE KNOW, UM
THAT THAT THEY DON'T CARRY THE
BIASES THAT WE HAVE TO FIGHT TO
GO AFTER THE LAST FEW YEARS. UM
SO THAT'S ALL. I MEAN, OUR
CONCERNS IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE BACKGROUND CHECKS OF
THESE OF THESE OFFERS, SIRS, UM
, ARE FULLY VETTED CURRENT
OFFICERS, THEY GO ALL THE WAY
BACK TO 18 YEARS OLD. AND IF
THERE'S SOMETHING IN HER
BACKGROUND EVEN EARLIER THAN
THAT, EVEN IF THEY'VE BEEN
SEALED OR SOME, YOU CAN TRY TO
GET THAT INFORMATION JUST TO
MAKE SURE THAT OFFICERS UM, ARE
FULLY VETTED. AND SO THAT'S OUR
THAT'S ALL OUR CONCERN IS STILL
BASED ON THAT ISSUE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OPERATOR
IN ANY OTHER. AN OPPOSITION.
THERE IS NO OTHERS IN THE QUEUE
FOR OPPOSITION. OKAY, WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. UH,
MR QUIRK. SENATOR SKINNER. DO
YOU WANT TO RESPOND ON HOW
THINGS ARE GOING ON BACKGROUND
CHECKS AND NEGOTIATIONS? THANK
YOU. UM WE'RE THROUGH THE CHAIR
. AND MAY I SURE? THANK YOU, UM
SO MY OFFICE IS IN CONVERSATIONS
WITH PORK, AND JUST AS WE HAD
WERE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM
WE. OBVIOUSLY I WANT TO
ACCOMMODATE ANYTHING REASONABLE
IN ORDER TO GET OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN SUPPORT
, BECAUSE THIS IS CLEARLY A BILL
THAT WOULD, IN MY OPINION,
BENEFIT THEM. AND AS THE
REPRESENTATIVE STATED. THEY FEW
THIS AS SOMETHING THAT COULD
BENEFIT ALSO, SO WE JUST NEED TO
LAND ON WHAT WE THINK IS
APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF YEARS. UM
FOR A PERSON TO HAVE HAD LEGAL
WORK AUTHORIZATION IN THE U. S.
AND UM THE ONLY THING I WOULD
NOTE IS THAT BY THE HEAD OF MY
OWN LARGEST CITIES, UM POLICE
UNION IN OAKLAND WAS NON CITIZEN
WHEN HE WENT THROUGH THE ACADEMY
AND BUT FORTUNATELY DURING THAT
TIME WHEN HE APPLIED FOR
CITIZENSHIP, THERE WAS NOT A BIG
LAG TIME FOR CITIZENSHIP
APPLICATIONS. SO HE DID NOT HAVE
TO WAIT AND HE WAS ABLE THEN TO
GET HIRED. NOW HOWEVER, YOU CAN
WAIT BETWEEN 6 TO 10 YEARS TO
HAVE YOUR CITIZENSHIP
APPLICATION. THAT'S THE BACKLOG
AT OUR IMMIGRATION SERVICES, SO
UM, BUT I AM VERY COMMITTED TO
CONTINUING THE CONVERSATIONS
WITHPORK, AND I HOPE THAT WE
WILL LAND SOMEWHERE THAT THEY'RE
COMFORTABLE. THAT IS WHAT I'M
COMMITTED TO DOING. UM SO BIG
MOVE THE BILL. ANY OTHER.
QUESTIONS ARE COMMON. WITH THAT
YOU MAKE CLOTHES. THANK YOU. I
DID WANNA MAKE CLEAR THIS DOES
NOT ALLOW ANY UNDOCUMENTED
PERSON TO BUILD DOES NOT OPEN
THE DOOR FOR ANY UNDOCUMENTED
PERSON. TO BE ABLE TO BE HIRED
BY A BECOME A PEACE OFFICER. IT
IS ONLY THOSE WITH LEGAL WORK,
AUTHORIZATION AND UNDER OUR
FEDERAL RULES, DACA RECIPIENT
HAS LEGAL WORK AUTHORIZATION. SO
I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR
ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THAT HAS
BEEN A CONFUSION. UM AND SO IT
WOULD MAKE THIS CONSISTENT WITH
THE SAME LEGAL WORK
AUTHORIZATION THAT THE MILITARY
REQUIRES FOR THEIR OFFICERS, AND
THAT CALIFORNIA REQUIRES FOR
DOCTORS, LAWYERS. AH WHOLE
VARIETY OF PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS
LICENSES AND DEGREES TO PRACTICE
OR PURSUE THOSE IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. AND WITH THAT, I ASK
FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU AND AH!
RECOMMEND THAT IVO AND ALSO
BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN. YOU WILL
BE ABLE TO WORK THIS OUT WITH
POOR AC IF YOU CAN WORK THIS
OUT. GET THE RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S
TO AGREE, I THINK YOU'RE WELL ON
YOUR WAY TO GETTING CHORAK
ONBOARD. SO CHEERS RECOMMENDING
I VOTE. ALL THE WORLD. ON SB 9
60 BY SENATOR SKINNER. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASTURE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOAN
SAWYER, JOHN SO, YOUR EYE LACKEY
LACKEY. NO, BONTA. BUNCH OF
BRIAN. BRIAN I QUIRK EYES
SANTIAGO. CR TOÀN Ó. MEASURES
ON COLONIES. ONE MORE. I BELIEVE
WE'RE STILL WAITING ON MR
WIENER. SO WE WILL GO INTO
RECESS. LET'S GO TO 11. AND I
WAS 45 MINUTES OR LESS. WE'LL
COME BACK HERE. DO I NEED TO?
BACK IN SESSION NOW. SP 57
WIENER IS THAT THE ONE YOU CAN
START WITH? OKAY? THANK YOU, MR
CHAIRMAN, COLLEAGUES. SB 57 IS A
VOLUNTARY PILOT PROGRAM
AUTHORIZING SAN FRANCISCO, THE
CITY OF LOS ANGELES, THE COUNTY
OF LOS ANGELES AND OAKLAND IF
THEY CHOOSE TO PILOT SAFE
CONSUMPTION SITES. UM TO BE
CLEAR. NO CITY OR COUNTY IS
REQUIRED UNDER THIS BILL TO
ESTABLISH SAFE CONSUMPTION SITES
. THEY ARE SIMPLY AUTHORIZED TO
DO SO. THIS IS A LOCAL CONTROL
LOCAL DECISION MAKING BILL ALSO
TO BE CLEAR EACH OF THE FOUR
JURISDICTIONS INCLUDING AND PUT
IN THIS BILL HAS OFFICIALLY
ASKED US TO BE INCLUDED. IN THE
BILL HAS ASKED US FOR THIS
AUTHORIZATION. THE WITH A
UNANIMOUS VOTE BY THE SAN
FRANCISCO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS,
A UNANIMOUS VOTE BY THE OAKLAND
CITY COUNCIL. A UNANIMOUS VOTE
BIPARTISAN BY THE L. A COUNTY
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND A 14 TO
1 VOTE BY THE L. A CITY COUNCIL
FOR THESE CITIES ARE ASKING US
TO HELP THEM TO ADDRESS THE
ESCALATION AND CRISIS OF
OVERDOSE DEATHS THAT WERE
EXPERIENCING IN CALIFORNIA AND
BEYOND. WE KNOW THAT WE ARE
EXPERIENCING A CRISIS OF
OVERDOSE DEATHS AND THESE ARE
PREVENTABLE. WHAT SAFE
CONSUMPTION SITES DO AND THEY
HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 30
YEARS AROUND THE WORLD AND
EUROPE AND CANADA AND AUSTRALIA
MORE RECENTLY IN NEW YORK CITY.
IS THEY ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE
ALREADY, UM, USING DRUGS, OFTEN
ON OUR STREETS ON OUR SIDEWALKS
IN FRONT OF PEOPLE'S HOMES OR
BUSINESSES, WHERE PEOPLE
INCLUDING CHILDREN CAN SEE THEM
USING DRUGS. ALLOWS THEM TO GO
INSIDE TO A SAFE AND CLEAN SPACE
WHERE THEY CAN BRING THE DRUGS
THAT THEY WERE ALREADY GOING TO
USE. AND USE IT IN AN
ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE MAKE SURE
THAT THEY HAVE CLEAN NEEDLES
WHERE THEY WERE. THERE IS
SUPERVISION, SO IF SOMEONE
OVERDOSES, THE OVERDOSE CAN BE
QUICKLY REVERSED. AND WHERE WE
CAN CONNECT PEOPLE TO SERVICES
AND ULTIMATELY, FOR A
SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE
INTO RECOVERY SERVICES. THESE
SITES HAVE BEEN EXTENSIVELY
STUDIED, INCLUDING WITH VARIOUS
, UM PEER REVIEWED STUDIES
SHOWING HAT THEY REDUCE OVER
THOSE STEPS, AND WE KNOW IN THE
RECENT NEW YORK CITY SAFE
CONSUMPTION SITE THAT OPENED UM
, THERE. THEY'VE ALREADY
REVERSED A NUMBER OF OVERDOSES
THAT LIKELY WOULD HAVE RESULTED
IN DEATH. HAD THEY NOT BEEN IN
THOSE SPACES. WE KNOW THAT
AROUND THE WORLD AND THE
APPROXIMATELY 30 YEARS THESE
SITES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE. WE'RE
UNAWARE OF A SINGLE OVER THOSE
DEATH. MASSIVE, NOT ONE OR 20.
BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO
REVERSE THOSE OVER THOSE DEATHS
AND A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE PEOPLE
WOULD HAVE DIED. HAD THEY NOT
BEEN IN A SAFE CONSUMPTION SITE
DECIDED TO REDUCE HEPATITIS AND
HIV INFECTIONS. VERY DEUCE
SYRINGE LITTER. AND CONTRARY TO
SOME OF THE CLAIMS THAT WE HEAR
THEY DO NOT INCREASE CRIME. UM.
I ALSO WE KNOW THAT AND THIS IS
IN THE VERY EXCELLENT ANALYSIS.
ON PAGE FIVE, TALKING ABOUT THE
NIH AND THE CDC DID AN ANALYSIS
JUST LAST YEAR. UM AND IT SAYS,
AS YOU CAN READ HERE, THE
PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE
SUGGESTS THESE SITES ARE ABLE TO
PROVIDE STERILE EQUIPMENT OVER
THOSE REVERSAL AND LINKAGE TO
MEDICAL CARE FOR ADDICTION. AND
THE VIRTUAL ABSENCE OF
SIGNIFICANT RISK DIRECT RISKS
LIKE INCREASED DRUG USE, DRUG
CELLS OR CRIME. WE'RE SEEING THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EVEN IMAGINE
THAT THE U. S. FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT START TO WARM UP TO
THIS APPROACH. SO THIS IS NOT A
SOME NEW UNTESTED STRATEGY.THIS
IS A STRATEGY THAT'S BEEN AROUND
FOR A LONG TIME. WE KNOW IT
WORKS. WE KNOW IT SAVES LIVES.
WE KNOW THAT OUR LOCAL
COMMUNITIES ARE LITERALLY
FORMALLY ASKING US. TO GIVE THEM
PERMISSION TO PILOT THESE IN
CALIFORNIA TO SAVE LIVES, AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
UM WITH ME TODAY TO TESTIFY.
SITTING TO MY WRITERS IS VIKA
ASSASSIN WHO IS THE WITH
PRESIDENT? CEO OF HEALTH RATE 3
60, A COMMUNITY CLINIC IN SAN
FRANCISCO. AND VICE PRESIDENT OF
THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
ALCOHOL AND DRUG PROGRAM
EXECUTIVES WERE ALSO JOINED BY
DR DAVID KAHN, THE IMMEDIATE
PAST PRESIDENT OF THE CALIFORNIA
SOCIETY OF ADDICTION MEDICINE.
HE'S AN ADDICTION PSYCHIATRIST.
AND THEN HERE TO PROVIDE ANSWER
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. LARA THOMAS
FROM THE SAN FRANCISCO AIDS
FOUNDATION. THANK YOU FIVE
MINUTES AND USE IT ANYWAY. WOULD
YOU WITNESSES YOU MAY BEGIN.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR
HAVING ME HERE TODAY AGAIN. MY
NAME IS VICTOR EISEN. AND I AM
THE CEO FOR HEALTH. RIGHT 3 60
WERE A TREATMENT ORGANIZATION
PROVIDING SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER
TREATMENT, UM, TO LOW INCOME
CALIFORNIANS. BASED IN SAN
FRANCISCO. WE OPERATE IN 10
COUNTIES, AND I'M ALSO HERE
REPRESENTING THE LARGEST
PROVIDER ASSOCIATION,
REPRESENTING MOST OF THE
TREATMENT PROVIDERS WHO PROVIDE
SERVICES TO THE MEDICAL
POPULATION. SUBSTANCE USE
SERVICES IN CALIFORNIA. ALSO A
FORMER INJECTION HEROIN USER.
AND IT CAME TO RECOVERY THROUGH
THE PUBLIC TREATMENT SYSTEM IN
IN CALIFORNIA HAVE OVER 30 YEARS
EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD OF
TREATMENT. THOSE OF US WHO WORK
IN TREATMENT REMAIN FOREVER
COMMITTED TO HIGH QUALITY
TREATMENT FOR PEOPLE WHO USE
DRUGS. AND WE WERE FORTUNATE TO
OPERATE IN THE STATE THAT
EXPANDED TREATMENT VIA THE DRUG
MEDICAL TREATMENT SERVICE
DELIVERY SYSTEM. BUT EXPERIENCE
SHOWS THAT SOME PEOPLE DO NOT
MAKE IT THROUGH TREATMENT. IN
FACT, ON AVERAGE, THE AVERAGE
PERSON GO THROUGH TREATMENT
TAKES ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT
TREATMENT EPISODES TO HAVE A
PERIOD OF LONG LASTING RECOVERY.
SO IN THE FACE OF AN
OVERWHELMING CRISIS OF DEATH.
WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE TREATMENT
PREMATURELY, THEY RISK DEATH.
AND THAT IS A NEW CIRCUMSTANCES
THAT CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE
TAINTED DRUGS. TOXIC DRUG SUPPLY
CURRENTLY SO WE MUST DO
SOMETHING DIFFERENT CANNOT DO
THE SAME THINGS. NOW OUR
OPPONENTS WILL TELL YOU WE
SHOULD BE INVESTING IN TREATMENT
INSTEAD OF THIS, BUT I SAID,
THAT'S A FALSE WE SAY THAT THERE
IS A FALSE DICHOTOMY THAT THIS
IS A WAY OF KEEPING PEOPLE
ENGAGED. SO THAT THEY CAN ENTER
OR RE ENTER TREATMENT. WE REMAIN
COMMITTED TO TREATMENT. DEAD
PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY AT RECOVERY.
OPPONENTS WILL ALSO SAY. UM
THERE WAS SOME RESEARCH SO
CALLED RESEARCH THAT SAYS IN ONE
COMMUNITY IN CANADA UH, IT
DIDN'T REDUCE DRUG, YOU KNOW,
SYRINGE LETTER. IT'S NOT A IT'S
NOT A VALIDATED RESEARCH PIECES
AND OPINION PIECE, SO IT ISN'T
RESEARCH THAT'S APPEAR REVIEWED.
IN ANY ACADEMIC PEER REVIEWED
JOURNAL. OUR OPPONENTS WILL SAY
OVERDOSE RATES CONTINUE TO GO UP
EVEN WERE IN PLACES WHERE THEY
HAVE SUPERVISED CONSUMPTION
SERVICES AND AGAIN, I WILL SAY
THAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE TOXIC
TAINTED DRUG SUPPLY CURRENTLY
AND IN PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE
SUPERVISED DRUG CONSUMPTION.
LITERALLY THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF LIVES HAVE BEEN
SAVED BECAUSE THEY HAVE THESE
SERVICES. THIS IS NOT A PANACEA
, BUT IN THE FACE OF A CRISIS,
WE MUST DO THINGS DIFFERENT. AND
FINALLY THEY WILL SAY WE MUST AH
, WE YOU KNOW, WE MUST FALL BACK
ON TOUGH LOVE THAT WE'RE
CODDLING PEOPLE WHO USE DRUGS.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU AS
SOMEBODY WHO HAS WORKED IN THIS
FIELD FOR SO LONG. THAT THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE USING DRUGS AND
OUR COMMUNITIES TODAY THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE NOT IN TREATMENT OR
LIVING IN A PLACE OF ABJECT
MISERY. WE CANNOT MAKE THEM MORE
MISERABLE. THIS WILL NOT DRIVE
THEM TO TREATMENT. AND WE
CANNOT. INCARCERATE OUR WAY OUT
OF THIS. THAT IS A DEMONSTRABLY
FAILED POLICY THAT RESULTED
DEVASTATING IMPACTS TO BLACK AND
BROWN COMMUNITIES AND MASS
INCARCERATION IN CALIFORNIA AND
IN THIS COUNTRY. SO THAT'S NOT
NEW POLICY. THAT'S ALL BAD
HISTORY. THE ONLY ANTIDOTE
CURRENTLY WE BELIEVE TO
ADDICTION IS CONNECTION. WE ASK
YOU TO LISTEN TO THE RESEARCH.
LISTEN TO REASON. LISTEN TO
DECADES OF EXPERIENCE. BE BRAVE
. REMEMBER THAT NEEDLE EXCHANGES
WERE ONCE RENEGADE POLICY THAT
WE DID IN THE FACE OF DRUG. I'M
SORRY OF HIV HIV CRISIS WE ASK
YOU TO DO SO AGAIN. PLEASE
SUPPORT THIS BILL AND LET US
SAVE SOME LIVES. THANK YOU WAS
ANOTHER WITNESS OR CON WHO'S ON
THE PHONE ON THE PHONE OPERATOR.
HELLO? HELLO THIS IS DR DAVID
KAHN. I AM THE PAST PRESIDENT OF
CALIFORNIA SOCIETY OF ADDICTION
MEDICINE, AND WE WERE REPRESENTS
THE VOICE OF TREATMENT. WE ARE
PROUD BECAUSE SPONSORS OF SP 57
BECAUSE WELL, WE RECOGNIZED THAT
PEOPLE SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER
TAKES TIME TO CHANGE AND THE
PARTICIPANTS WITHIN THESE
PROGRAMS SO THAT THAT WE WANT
WITHIN THE C SAM TREATMENT
SETTING. HOWEVER THE RISK OF
FATAL OVERDOSE IS EXTREMELY HIGH
AS VICTOR EYES AND TOLD YOU
THESE PROGRAMS OFFERED UNIQUE
OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE PEOPLE
WHERE THEY ARE AND DEMONSTRABLE
EVIDENCE IS THAT IT INCREASES
THE RATES TREATMENT ACCESS.
PARTICIPANTS WITHIN THE PROGRAM
. THERE HAVE BEEN LITERALLY
MILLIONS OF DOSES ADMINISTERED
IN SIMILAR PROGRAMS ACROSS THE
WORLD, AND THERE'S NOT BEEN A
SINGLE OVERDOSE THE DATE AND I
THINK ONE OF THE MOST PROMISING
PIECES IS THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF
ENTERED TREATMENT BECAUSE YOU
PARTICIPATED PROGRAM BECAUSE OF
THE WHOLE 30. SO WITH THAT I
STRONGLY URGE YOUR IPHONES AS
CTM IS STRONGLY SUPPORT BECAUSE
THAT HELPS TO TREAT THE PEOPLE
THAT WE WANT TO BE TREATING OVER
TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND
ANY WITNESSES IN THE HEARING
ROOM IN SUPPORT NAME AND
ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. GOOD
MORNING, GLENN BACCHUS FOR
YELLOW BAKER CENTERFOR HUMAN
RIGHTS. I WAS ASKED BY THESE
ORGANIZATIONS TO ENTER THEIR
NAME INTO THE RECORD. FACE TO
FACE FAIR CHANCE PROJECT FRIENDS
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION OF
CALIFORNIA HIV AND EDUCATION
PREVENTION PROJECT OF ALAMEDA
COUNTY. HOME RISE. INITIATE
JUSTICE LARKIN STREET YOUTH
SERVICES, LOS ANGELES LGBT
CENTER AND NATIONAL HARM
REDUCTION COALITION. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. GOT IT. THANK YOU. UM
UH LARA THOMAS ON BEHALF OF THE
SAN FRANCISCO ITS FOUNDATION AND
WAS ALSO ASKED TO READ THESE
NAMES INTO THE RECORD AS
SUPPORTERS A NEW PATH PARENTS
FOR ADDICTION, TREATMENT AND
HEALING. ASIAN AMERICAN DRUG
ABUSE PROGRAM INC. A C L U
CALIFORNIA ACTION ÁP L A HEALTH
CALIFORNIA HEPATITIS ALLIANCE.
CAL HAB CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION. COMMUNITY
CLINIC ASSOCIATION OF LOS
ANGELES COUNTY COMMUNITY FORWARD
SAN FRANCISCO COMPASS, FAMILY
SERVICES AND CENTRAL VALLEY
RECOVERY SERVICES. ALL IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. COMBINING
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS
WESLEY SAVER ON BEHALF OF GLIDE
, ALSO SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
MOMS FOR ALL PASSED TO RECOVERY
FROM ADDICTION RECOVERY ADVOCACY
PROJECT SAFER INSIDE COALITION,
SAN FRANCISCO DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC HEALTH SAN FRANCISCO
HEPATITIS C TASK FORCE. SAN
FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
OFFICE. SAN FRANCISCO TREATMENT
ON DEMAND COALITION SMART
JUSTICE, CALIFORNIA TENDERLOIN
NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT
CORPORATION, THE GEO GROUP AND
THE RUBIO PROJECT. THANK YOU.
CHAIRPERSON AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS, NICCOLO DI LUCA HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE OAKLAND MAYOR,
LIBBY, CHEF AND THE OAKLAND CITY
COUNCIL AND STRONG SUPPORT AND
APPRECIATE BEING PART OF THIS
PILOT PROGRAM. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, CARLOS GUTIERREZ ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
CONSORTIUM, PROGRAMS OF
ADDICTION PROGRAMS AND
PROFESSIONALS AND SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, TYE WERE WINDY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA SOC
ATION OF ALCOHOL AND DRUG
PROGRAMS. EJECUTIVAS AS A PROUD
CO SPONSOR AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS KARIN LANG ON BEHALF OF
SAN FRANCISCO. MAYOR LONDON.
BRANDON STRONG SUPPORT THIS
MORNING. THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS. DAN PHIL, IS THAT ON
BEHALF OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND
SUPPORT GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS SAID LITTLE ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA'S FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE AND TIME DONE IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING
. GARY MCCOY ON BEHALF OF HEALTH
RATE, 3 60. STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU NOW GO TO THE PHONE
LINES FOR WITNESSES AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU, IF NOT ALREADY DONE
SO FOR WITNESSES IN SUPPORT OF
SB 57, PLEASE PRESS ONE AND
ZERO. LINE, 105 GO AHEAD. MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. SYLVIA POLICE
SHOT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
LOS ANGELES AND STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. LINE. 1 11, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, REBECCA
GONZALEZ FOR THE NATIONALIST SOC
ATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS,
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND STRONG
SUPPORT. LINE. 113, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. CARA JIMBO EASTMAN WITH
THE STEINBERG INSTITUTE AND
STRONG SUPPORT. LINE. 106,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. A LITTLE. MY
NAME IS JEFF SMITH. I'M THE
CAPACITY BUILDING IMAGER WITH
NATIONAL HARM REDUCTION
COALITION AND WE ARE CALLING IN
A STRONG SUPPORT. LINE. 115,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR TURN MEMBERS
ROB LANE WITH THE CALIFORNIA
COUNSELOR, COMMUNITY, BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH AGENCIES AND SUPPORT.
LINE. 103, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR AND COMMITTEE. MY
NAME'S SOMA FROM LOS ANGELES.
I'M CALLING IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
SB 57 ON BEHALF OF THE SIDEWALK
PROJECT. THANK YOU. BLIND 107,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. OPHELIA
SPAGHETTI ON BEHALF OF THE
COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
DIRECTORS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. LINE. 117, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. SO YOU AND I AM CALLING
AND STRONG SUPPORT FOR SEVEN ON
BEHALF OF DRUG POLICY ALLIANCE
TREATMENT CENTERS. LOOK LGBT
CENTER RAINBOW CRIED YOUTH
ALLIANCE. WES KERRICK,
CALIFORNIA INC. SHANTY AND
CENTRALCALLEGAL AND RUNNING.
THANK YOU. I MEET UP LINE 78,
PLEASE GO AHEAD AND I JUST OPEN
EVERYTHING UP. I I'M HAVING
SECTOR CALLING FROM VENICE. LOS
ANGELES AREA, CALLING ON BEHALF
OF THE CENTER FOR LIVING AND
LEARNING. THE ARE STRONGLY
SUPPORTING 57 THANK YOU. THANK
YOU AND MR CHAIR. THERE ARE NO
OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF SB 57. NOW
GO TO OPPOSITION IN THE ROOM ANY
WENT IN OPPOSITION TO SB 57.
COULD YOU. COULD YOU CLEAR THE
WAY SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THANK
YOU. HAVE A SEAT. YOU HAVE FIVE
MINUTES. FOR TO SPLIT UP ANYWAY.
2.5 MINUTES APIECE OR YES, SIR.
OKAY. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
TODD ALLEN. I'M THE LEGISLATIVE
CHAIR FOR THE CALIFORNIA
DEMOCRATIC PARTY BLACK CAUCUS. I
AM ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE
INTERNATIONAL FAITH BASED
COALITION. AND WE ARE
COLLECTIVELY AND OPPOSITION FOR
SB 57. AFTER RUNNING CAREFUL
ANALYSIS. UM AFTER EACH
AMENDMENT, SP 57 STILL FALLS
FLAT WHEN IT COMES TO PRESENTING
OF SOME OF THE FACTS PROPERLY
BECAUSE THIS UNINTENDED HARMS
THAT WILL COME TO ALREADY
STRUGGLING COMMUNITIES THROUGH
AN IRONIC LENS OF HARM
REDUCTION. IT LACKS
REHABILITATIVE STRUCTURES AND
WHATNOT PLACE MENTAL HEALTH
THERAPIST OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE
COUNSELORS WITHIN THE SITES.
THIS BILL ALSO LEAVES NO
TREATMENT OPTIONS FOR THE
REALIZATION OF THE SITES. UM FOR
THOSE WHO ENTER SUBSTANCE USE,
REHABILITATION AND TREATMENT
PLAN GIVES USERS A PAMPHLET OR
RESOURCES AS THEY ENTER OR EXIT
THE SITE. WE FIND THAT IT IS
IMPOSSIBLE TO STABILIZE THE
COMMUNITY ON ADDICTED MINDS, SO
WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT IT IS
NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT THOSE
REHABILITATED FEATURES WITHIN
THE SITES WITH PROPER SUPPORTS.
FURTHERMORE THE BILL IS WRITTEN
ON POORLY STRUCTURED METRICS
THAT DO NOT INCLUDE THE MANY
ISSUES INJECTION SITES IN BOTH
CANADA AND HARLEM HAVE REPORTED
INJECTION SITES HAVE REPORTED TO
BE SEVERELY UNDERUTILIZED,
SERVICING A SMALL PERSON OF
IDENTIFIED USERS. ALL THE WHILE
REPORTING METRICS FOR SUCCESS DO
NOT INCLUDE OVERDOSE ISSUES
TRANSPIRING RIGHT OUTSIDE THE
VERY DOORS. OF THE INJECTION
SITES WHEN METRICS PRESENTED
ONLY COVER WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN
THE DOORS OF THE SITE? OF COURSE
, WE HAVE 100% SUCCESS BUT DO
NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE UNINTENDED
ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY OF THOSE
SITES. WE ALSO FIND SERVICE GAPS
, LEAVING ROOM FOR UNINTENDED
HARMS ONCE AGAIN IN COMMUNITIES
THE SETTER PLACED IN INJECTION
SITES OF THIS START CREATING
GRAVITATIONAL POOL FOR USERS WHO
WILL ENGAGE IN SUBSTANCE USE IN
THE VICINITY, BUT NOT
NECESSARILY WITHIN THE DOORS OF
THE SITES. THIS WAS ALSO
REPORTED BY BOTH CANADA. IN
HARLEM. UM FURTHERMORE, HARLEM
HAS REPORTED A MAJOR ISSUE WHERE
100% OF INJECTION SITES
DEVELOPED, REPLACED IN LOW
INCOME URBAN COMMUNITIES.
FUNDAMENTALLY THE INTENTION OF
THIS BILL. IT'S GREAT. PEOPLE'S
LIVES SHOULD BE SAVED. WE SHOULD
NOT CONTINUE CRIMINALIZING
SUBSTANCE USERS WHO STRUGGLE
WITH ADDICTION. WE HAVE NO
INTENTION OF DOING SO, HOWEVER,
THIS BILL HAS GREATLY OVERLOOKED
THE MANY HARMS COMMUNITIES
HOSTING THESE SITES CURRENTLY
EXPERIENCE AND I FELT TO
REPRESENT THE OTHER HALF OF THE
STORY. USERS WHO DO NOT ANSWER
THE SITES BUT USE OUTSIDE THE
SITES AND OVERDOSE. MIGHT NOT
GET ASSISTANCE IN THESE CASES
AND IN SOME CASES HAVE NOT
BETWEEN HARLEM AND VANCOUVER,
CANADA, AS WELL AS THE
GRAVITATIONAL PULL OF SUBSTANCE
USERS TO THE ALREADY RUN DOWN
AND STRUGGLING COMMUNITIES. IF
WE ARE TRULY GIVING COMMUNITIES
A FIGHTING CHANCE, A FEW SMALL
ALTERATIONS TO THIS BILL CAN
STRENGTHEN THE BILL AND MAKE IT
GREAT. HOWEVER THE BLACK CAUCUS
FOUND THAT THIS DOES NOT
NECESSARILY LEAVE A FIGHTING
CHANCE FOR THE COMMUNITIES. WE
PLACE THESE SITES AND TWO AND
THERE HAS BEEN NO CONVERSATION
SURROUNDING THOSE EFFORTS TO
MAKE SURE WE SAFEGUARD THAT
COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIR.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL
SHELLENBERGER. I'M THE AUTHOR OF
SAN FRANCISCO, A BOOK ABOUT THE
DRUG CRISIS AND HOMELESS CRISIS
IN CALIFORNIA. AS A JOURNALIST.
I WAS THE FIRST TO DISCOVER THAT
SAN FRANCISCO IS OPERATING AN
ILLEGAL SUPERVISED DRUG
CONSUMPTION SITE. I FIND IT
ASTONISHING THAT THE TWO PEOPLE
THAT ARE ADVOCATING THIS BILL
DIDN'T DIDN'T MENTION THAT
PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST SHOWS
THAT 20.7% OF THE PEOPLE THAT
HAVE GONE THROUGH THE SO CALLED
TENDERLOIN LINKAGE CENTER. HAVE
BEEN REFERRED TO DRUG
REHABILITATION. IN ADDITION,
PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS SHOW
THAT ONE OF THE OPERATORS GARRY
MCCOY, WHO IS ALSO IN THE
AUDIENCE FABRICATED DATA.
THERE'S AN EMAIL FROM PEOPLE IN
SAN FRANCISCO GOVERNMENT SAYING
THAT HE MADE UP DATA SO WE DON'T
EVEN KNOW IF THESE NUMBERS ARE
CORRECT. I SUPPORT HARM
REDUCTION. I WORKED WITH MAXINE
WATERS IN THE 19 NINETIES. TO
ADVOCATE FOR NEEDLE EXCHANGE. I
SUPPORT SUPERVISED DRUG
CONSUMPTION SITES AS THEY ARE
OPERATED IN THE NETHERLANDS.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SAN
FRANCISCO IS CHAOS. THE OPEN
DRUG SCENE HAS SPREAD. SINCE
THEY OPENED THE SUPERVISED DRUG
CONSUMPTION SITE IN JANUARY
SEVEN MINUTES INTO A WALK I TOOK
EARLIER THIS MONTH EARLIER LAST
MONTH. WITH THE JOURNALIST FROM
THE TIMES OF LONDON. WE FOUND
SOMEBODY OVERDOSING ON DRUGS ON
LASKY AVENUE ON AT LASKY ALLEY.
THE DRUG SCENE HAS SPREAD THE
OPEN AIR DRUG MARKETS HAVE
SPREAD. IT'S NOT JUST IN THE
TENDERLOIN. IT'S ALSO SOUTH OF
MARKET CLAIMS. THEY'VE MADE THAT
THERE ARE NO DEATHS FROM
OVERDOSES IN SUPERVISED DRUG
CONSUMPTION SITES IS FALSE. I
HAVE SOURCES THAT SAY THAT THEY
ACTUALLY DO HAVE DEATHS IN THOSE
SITES, BUT THEY REPORT THEM AS
OCCURRING IN THE AMBULANCE OR IN
THE HOSPITALS. IF YOU GO TO
PORTUGAL. IF YOU GO TO
NETHERLANDS, YOU'LL DISCOVER
THAT THE WAY THAT THEY TREAT
ADDICTION OPEN AIR DRUG MARKETS
IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN IT'S
BEEN REPRESENTED. THEY DO NOT
ALLOW OPEN AIR DRUG USE. THEY DO
NOT ALLOW OPEN AIR DRUG DEALING.
IN THE NETHERLANDS. THE
SUPERVISED DRUG SITES MOVE
ADDICTS INTO RECOVERY, ITS
RECOVERY FOCUSED. WHAT THEY'RE
PROPOSING IS ADDICTION
MAINTENANCE. WE SHOULD QUESTION
WHETHER WE WANT TO MAINTAIN
ADDICTS AND THAT STATE YOU HEARD
THE CYNICAL VIEW FROM THE CEO OF
HEALTH, RIGHT? 3 60 THAT
BASICALLY, MOST PEOPLE ARE JUST
RESIGNED TO ADDICTION. I DON'T
THINK THAT'S HUMANE. I THINK
THAT WE NEED TO EMBRACE
ADDICTION RECOVERY. MILLIONS OF
PEOPLE RECOVER FROM THEIR
ADDICTIONS EVERY YEAR. WHERE ARE
WE GIVING UP ON OUR FRIENDS AND
FAMILY. THERE'S MORE THAN ONE
WAY TO PREVENT OVERDOSES. ONE OF
THEM IS SIMPLY TO REVIVE PEOPLE
PUT THEM IN TOUGH SHEDS, MONITOR
THEM EVERY COUPLE OF HOURS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN LOS
ANGELES THAT APPEARS TO BE THE
VISION HERE. WE SAW THAT MOVIE.
IT'S THE MATRIX. IT'S DYSTOPIAN
. IT'S DISTURBING. IT'S NOT WHAT
THEY DO IN PORTUGAL AND
NETHERLANDS SUPERVISED DRUG
CONSUMPTION SITES INCREASED IN
BRITISH COLUMBIA. OVERDOSES
INCREASED IN BRITISH COLUMBIA,
THE IDEA THAT THESE SITES ARE
SOMEHOW A PANACEA TO THE DRUG
ADDICTION CRISIS THAT WE FACE IS
ABSOLUTELY FALSE. THERE WAS
THERE IS NO DRUG OVERDOSE AND
POISONING CRISIS IN EUROPE. WHEN
I STOPPED DOING DRUG
DECRIMINALIZATION WORK IN THE
YEAR 2000 THERE WERE 17,000 DRUG
OVERDOSES A YEAR THERE'S 100 AND
6000 DRUG OVERDOSES. THIS YEAR
IT OCCURRED DURING A PERIOD OF
LIBERALIZING DRUG LAWS. OF
REDUCING PENALTIES FOR DRUG
DEALING. SAN FRANCISCO IS A
NATIONAL SHAME IT IS ALLOWING
PEOPLE TO DIE ON THE STREETS,
NEARLY 100% OF THE WOMEN THAT I
INTERVIEW THAT LIVE IN THE
OPENER, DRUG SCENES HAVE BEEN
SEXUALLY ASSAULTED. MOST MORE
THAN ONCE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE HARDEST, MOST INTOXICATING,
MOST DANGEROUS AND DEADLY DRUGS
THAT HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE
METHAMPHETAMINE FENTANYL, THESE
DRUGS ARE DEADLY. AND THERE
NEEDS TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE
RECOVERY BASED AGENDA TO GET OUR
FELLOW CITIZENS THE HELP THAT
THEY NEED NOT MAINTAIN THEIR
DEADLY ADDICTIONS. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION IN THE
ROOM. GOOD MORNING, JOHN LOVELL
, UM IN OPPOSITION ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA NARCOTIC OFFICERS
ASSOCIATION, THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS THE CALIFORNIA COLLEGE
AND UNIVERSITY POLICE CHIEFS
ASSOCIATION. UM UM SID DARIA
CHRIS FELD, WHO IS THE CO
FOUNDER. OF THE GREATER HARLEM
COALITION OF ITS SERIOUS
CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOCATIONAL
DECISIONS DRUG PREVENTION
ORGANIZATION OF CANADA. UM SOLID
RECORD OF A DISTURBING RECORD OF
DRUGGED OVERDOSE OVERDOSE
INCREASES, UH, CALIFORNIA PEACE
FOUNDATION, VARIOUS STEVENS
ORGANIZATION AGAIN. SERIOUS
CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UM RACISM OF
LOCATIONAL DECISIONS. UM UH,
CONGRESS OF RACIAL EQUALITY,
INTERNATIONAL FAITH BASED
COALITION. AND THE ORGANIZATION
FOR JUSTICE AND EQUALITY, ALL IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR COMMITTEE,
JULIO DELEON FOR THE RIVERSIDE
COUNTY SHERIFF'S PERMANENT IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. PRETTY
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN THE
HEARING ROOM AND OPPOSITION.
WILL NOW GO TO THE TELEPHONE
LINES, WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION
18 OPERATORS CAN OPEN UP UNLESS
P 57 OPPOSITION. THANK YOU LINE
104. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
RUSSIA MATURE ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED. SB 57. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU LINE 100. ONE. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS
GRANDI PERRY THERE AND READING
ASSOCIATES ON BEHALF OF THE SAN
FRANCISCO POLICE OFFICERS
ASSOCIATION. THE OAKLAND POLICE
OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AND PORK IN
OPPOSITION. LINE. 109, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS FACE BORDERS ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATIONS
OF CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
RESPECTFULLY. FLYING 34, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. IT'S MORE MR BRIAN
SHERMAN WITH THE RIVERSIDE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION OPPOSITION.
ALSO THE POLICE OFFICER
ASSOCIATIONS OF CLAREMONT
CORONA, COME ON PALACE THIRTIES.
IMPORT BEACH, UPLAND SANTA ANA,
BURBANK, ENGLEWOOD, ARCADIA,
RIVERSIDE BULLETIN. COVER CITY
ON OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. LINE
119, PLEASE GO AHEAD. JEANETTE
FELT REMEMBER. I OPPOSE. THANK
YOU. MR CHAIR. THERE'S NO ONE
ELSE IN OPPOSITION TO 3 57.
THANK YOU. WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS, MR
BRYANT. YEAH WELL, FIRST, IT'S
GOOD TO HEAR ALL OF THE
MUNICIPALITIES AND OPPOSITION
THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO OPT
INTO THIS BILL. I THINK THE
RESEARCH ON SAFE CONSUMPTION
SITES IS OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE
, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY OF
THE SPURIOUS RELATIONSHIPS THAT
HAVE BEEN ARTICULATED TODAY DO
ACTUALLY EXIST AND A SERIOUS,
MEASURABLE WAY. I'M ENCOURAGED
BY THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A
STUDY OF THE TWO SIDES SHOULD
THEY CHOOSE TO OPT IN AGAIN, AS
WAS MENTIONED BY THE AUTHOR.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS
DOES NOT COMPEL ANYBODY TO OPT
IN TO SUCH SITES. I THINK IT'S
WELL CRAFTED LANGUAGE. BUT IF
YOU COULD CLARIFY THAT AGAIN FOR
US, THIS IS SIMPLY OPTIONAL FOR
THE CITIES AND COUNTIES, MOST OF
WHICH CAME TODAY WITH THEIR
SUPPORT. IS THAT CORRECT? EXCUSE
ME, THAT'S CORRECT. EACH OF THE
INCLUDED PILOT CITIES HAS
REQUESTED TO BE INCLUDED. BUT
EVEN EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE
INCLUDED, THEY CAN. THEY WILL
DECIDE WHETHER TOPPED IN WHETHER
OR NOT TO OPT IN, AND THEY WILL
DECIDE EXACTLY HELP. TO
IMPLEMENT WHAT WHETHER TO HAVE
ONE SITE OR MORE THAN ONE SITE.
IT'S REALLY A LOT OF LOCAL
DECISION MAKING ABOUT HOW TO DO
THAT. AND IT IS A PILOT PROGRAM.
IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR
REAUTHORIZATION OR NOT
REAUTHORIZATION BY THE
LEGISLATURE AND THE AMENDMENT.
ONE AMENDMENT WE TOOK IN
ASSEMBLY HEALTH REQUIRES A
PARTICIPATING CITIES TO FUND A
PERIOD VIEWED STUDY. ABOUT THE
EFFECTIVENESS OF THE OF THE
PROGRAM. YES MISS PANTER, I WE
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT
THIS. AND I THANK YOU FOR ASKING
ME TO CO AUTHOR THIS BILL, WHICH
I HAVE. I JUST WANT TO ONE
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE OAKLAND
CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS ONE OF
THE POTENTIAL PILOT SITES FOR
THIS UNION OBVIOUSLY VOTED TO
MOVE FORWARD WITH PARTICIPATION
POTENTIAL PARTICIPATION IN THIS
PILOT STUDY AN INCREDIBLY
DIVERSE CITY COUNCIL AS A
STANDS. AND THIS HAS BEEN AFTER
YEARS OF CONVERSATION,
NEGOTIATION AND ADVOCACY TO BE
ABLE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE AN
ADDITIONAL COMPONENT TO
PROVIDING A ROBUST A APPROACH TO
DRUG USE AND ABUSE AND SUBSTANCE
ABUSE AND ADDRESSING OVERDOSE
PREVENTION AS WELL. SO I WANT TO
THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING FROM MY
UNDERSTANDING. AND I WOULD LIKE
YOU TO ADDRESS THIS. UM. JUST
ANOTHER ONE OTHER POTENTIAL
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS THE PANDEMIC THAT WE ARE
FACING AROUND DRUG ABUSE. AND,
UM AND I APPRECIATE THAT. WE ARE
DOING THAT IN OAKLAND, WHERE WE
HAVE, UM, A VERY DIVERSE
COMMUNITY THAT WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE IS IMPACTED AND TAKING CARE
OF THE BILL. BUT TO MOVE THE
BILL, DID I APOLOGIZE? ANY MORE
QUESTIONS, MR SARTO. QUÊ SO. ONE
OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE. IS IT
AREA YOU ENVISIONING THIS TO BE
SPONSORED BY PUBLIC AGENCIES, UM
, ASSISTED WITH PUBLIC DOLLARS.
IT CERTAINLY CAN BE, AND THEY
THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE
FLEXIBILITY THERE, BUT IT IT CAN
BE. OKAY. AND SO HOW DO WE
PROTECT LOCAL AGENCIES AND OUR
TAXPAYER DOLLARS FROM LIABILITY
WHEN THINGS GO WRONG. SO I
APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE, UM SO
CITIES AND COUNTIES MAKE
DECISIONS AROUND RISK AND
LIABILITY ALL THE TIME. AND
CREATING NEW PROGRAMS AND
CREATING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE,
CREATING A NEW PLAYGROUND. THERE
THERE ARE A MILLION TIMES A DAY
WHEN CITIES MAKE THE SITTING ON
THAT'S EXAGGERATION MANY TIMES
UM THEY WHEN CITIES ARE MAKING
DECISIONS IN CITY COUNCILS AND
MAYORS AND TOWARDS THE
SUPERVISORS ABOUT DOING NEW
THINGS. EFFECT. THEY COULD GET
SUED. BUT THEY MAKE A DECISION
REASONED DECISION THAT THEY
THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AND
THEY'LL DO SO HERE, AND THAT'S
WHY WE'RE NOT FORCING THEM TO DO
IT. THIS WILL BE THEIR DECISION.
THEIR DECISION LOCALLY SO THEY
CAN ACCEPT THE LIABILITY FOR
THAT, IF THEY CHOOSE. OKAY UM,
NEW YORK. YOU SAID NEW YORK HAS
A PROGRAM. IT WAS OPEN. UM A
NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO. I CAN'T. I
THINK MAYBE LATE LAST YEAR IF I
RECALL, THEY BEEN ABLE TO DO
STUDIES ON HOW MANY PEOPLE
ACCESS TO PROGRAM AND THEN ARE
DIVERTED INTO TREATMENT. YES I
MEAN, IT'S STILL IN ITS EARLY
STAGES, BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME
PRELIMINARY DATA, WHICH SOME OF
IT WAS REFERENCED. EARLIER IN
TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF OVERDOSE
REVERSALS. UM AND SO, YES,
THERE'S PRELIMINARY DATA, BUT
AGAIN, IT'S NOT BEEN AN
OPERATION AS LONG AS SOME OF THE
ONES THAT OTHER COUNTRIES
OVERDOSE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE
OVERDOSE. I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'M
TALKING ABOUT THEM BEING
DIVERTED INTO TREATMENT PROGRAMS
AFTER THEY'VE USED UM, THEY HAVE
PRELIMINARY DATA AS I UNDERSTAND
IT, BUT THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE
DATA THAT WE HAVE ARE THE ONES
THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS
OR DECADES, AND THEY'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE REVERSAL OF OVERDOSE,
AMONG OTHER THINGS, AND TREAT
AND ENTRY IN THE TREATMENT IS
ALSO DATA THAT GETS COLLECTED.
IN ADDITION TO THERE'S BEEN
STUDIES AROUND, UM, WHETHER
SYRINGE LETTER IN THE
SURROUNDING AREA IS REDUCED
AROUND INFECTIONS FOR HIV,
HEPATITIS AND SO FORTH. THE UM,
STATISTIC THAT I HEARD FROM THE
WITNESSES 0.17 GET DIVERTED. UM
THAT ROSE SEVEN. MR. CHAIRMAN
ARE WE STILL HAVE A COMMENT OR
SO. YEAH SO THE THAT THAT WAS
THAT WAS A STATEMENT BY MR
SHELLENBERGER AROUND THE SAN
FRANCISCO LINKAGE CENTER, WHICH
HE CHARACTERIZES AS A SAFE
CONSUMPTION SITE. UM, AND THAT
THAT IS THAT WAS THAT MY COMMENT
WAS NOT ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING
IN AMSTERDAM OR AND CANADA. SO.
F OKAY, MAKE SURE THINGS ARE
THROUGH THE CHAIR SO IT DOESN'T
BECOME SO GO AHEAD. ASK YOUR
QUESTION, AND THEN YOU'LL
ANSWER, OKAY? UM AFTER THEIR
CARE, AND AFTER THEY'RE THEY'RE
DONE DOING THEIR SHOOTING UP OR
OR CONSUMPTION OF WHATEVER IT IS
THAT THEY'RE ADDICTED TO. WHAT
HAPPENS THEN? SO IS THERE A IS
THERE? I'M SORRY. LET ME FINISH
. IS THERE AN AFTERCARE PROGRAM
OR DO THEY JUST ARE THEY FREE TO
WALK OUT? AND CONTINUE THE DAY.
YES. SO JUST TO BE REALLY CLEAR.
UM. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
ALREADY USING DRUGS. AND THE
QUESTION IS, WHERE ARE THEY
GOING TO USE IT? THERE'S BEEN A
LOT OF TRASHING OF THE
TENDERLOIN AND HERE TODAY AND
NATIONAL PRESS. TENDERLOIN WHICH
HAS HAD MANY, MANY, MANY
CHALLENGES FOR MANY, MANY, MANY
YEARS IS A WONDERFUL, DIVERSE
COMMUNITY. UH ANDI JUST I JUST
WANT TO SORT OF SAY THAT BECAUSE
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NOT JUST
TODAY. BUT IN GENERAL TRASHING
OF THE TENDERLOIN, AND I JUST
WANNA SORT OF OBJECT TO THAT
WITH ALL OF ITS CHALLENGES. BUT
WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH WHETHER
SKID ROW OR TENDERLOIN OR OR
OTHER REALLY IMPACTED
COMMUNITIES, THERE ARE PEOPLE
ENGAGING IN OPEN DRUG USE THERE
ON THE SIDEWALK. THERE ON THE
SIDEWALK THERE IN THE PARK THERE
BEHIND THE DUMPSTER THERE IN
FRONT OF SOMEONE'S BUSINESS.
THEY'RE USING THEIR AND SO THE-QUESTION IS DO WE WANT THEM TO
USE THEIR WHICH IS NEITHER SAFE
NOR HEALTHY FOR THEM OR FOR THE
SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. WHAT DO
YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE A PLACE TO
GO INSIDE? SO THIS IS NOT A
SITUATION WAS LIKE, OH, YOU'RE
NOT USING DRUGS, AND WE PUT A
SAFE CONSUMPTION SITE IN AND
IT'S LIKE, WOW. NOW THERE'S A
STATEMENT SOMETHING THAT I'M
GOING TO START USING DRUGS.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY
USING AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE
IN A SAFER WAY THAT REDUCES
RISK. THEY WILL BE THERE. THE
SITES OFFER SERVICES OFFER
ACCESS TO TREATMENT, AND THAT IS
PART OF THE REASON THEY EXIST TO
HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE READY TO GO
INTO TREATMENT. TO ACCESS THAT
TREATMENT. IT MAY NOT HAPPEN ON
THE FIRST TIME IT MAY NOT HAPPEN
ON THE 10TH TIME. BUT AT SOME
POINT, NOT FOR EVERYONE, BUT FOR
A LOT OF PEOPLE. THEY WILL
DECIDE TO GO INTO TREATMENT. AND
THESE THIS WILL PROVIDE A ROUTE
TO GET THERE. SO. BOTTOM LINE IS
AFTER THEY'RE DONE USING THEIR
FREE TO GO, AND THEN THEY GO OUT
INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS
WHERE TO MY COLLEAGUE'S POINT
FROM LOS ANGELES IS EVEN THOUGH
THESE ARE SPECIFIC TO LOS
ANGELES AND OAKLAND RIGHT NOW.
OR THESE OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE
OPTED IN, UM I CAN HAVE VERY,
VERY VALID CONCERNS ABOUT THE
SAFETY OF MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS
THAT LIVE IN L. A BECAUSE IF
THOSE PERSONS LEAVE THAT
FACILITY AND THEN GET INTO A
VEHICLE, NOT ONLY ARE THE PUBLIC
DOLLARS AT RISK BECAUSE A GOOD
LAWYER AFTER THEY'VE RUN
SOMEBODY DOWN WILL BE ABLE TO
TAKE CARE OF THAT THEY WILL,
THEY WILL HOLD THE PUBLIC AGENCY
LIABLE FOR THAT. AND IS THAT IT?
DATA THIS IS THE COMMENT PART.
OKAY ALREADY, AND HE ANSWERED
THE QUESTIONS. AND SO I WAS JUST
COMMENTING ON THAT. AS FAR AS
THE OVERDOSES ARE CONCERNED, YOU
HAVE A HIGH PROPENSITY FOR
OVERDOSE REVERSAL. IN THOSE AND
THOSE THINGS BECAUSE MOST OF
THOSE OVERDOSES ARE OPIATES, AND
THEY'RE EASILY REVERSED BY A
MEDICALLY TRAINED PERSON WITH
NARCAN. AND SO, YES, IF THEY'RE
SUPERVISED, AND THEY OVERDOSE ON
OPIATES, AND IN THIS CASE, A LOT
OF IT'S FENTANYL, NO MATTER WHAT
THEY'RE TAKING. UM IT CAN BE
REVERSED AND SO THAT THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UM BUT UNFORTUNATELY THESE FOLKS
, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING
TO GO THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND
USE THERE'LL BE SOME SOMETIMES
THEY WON'T BE AVAILABLE THERE
AND THEY'LL OVERDOSE ON THE
STREET, AND THEY'LL BE
COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BECAUSE
THEY THINK THEY'RE OKAY. AND
THEY'RE GOING TO OVERDOSE OUT
THERE, SO I JUST I HAVE A LOT OF
PROBLEMS. WITH MOVING AH,
CREATING AN ENABLING PROGRAM
THAT ENABLES PEOPLE TO DO
CONTINUE TO DO WHAT'S VERY
DAMAGING AND DESTRUCTIVE NOT
ONLY THEMSELVES, BUT TO THE
PUBLIC AT LARGE. AND YES, I
REALIZE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY
DOING THAT. BUT I THINK THERE
ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO
LOOK AT OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE
HAVE TO LOOKAT. THEY HAVE
PROGRAMS THAT THEY CAN GET INTO
AND THEY'RE NOT UTILIZING THEM.
SO WE NEED A BETTER WAY TO STEER
PEOPLE INTO PROGRAMS TO GET THEM
OFF OF DRUGS. AND GET THEM OUT
OF THIS DEPENDENCY, ESPECIALLY
ON DARK HAIR ON ON FENTANYL
BECAUSE THAT PROBLEM IS GOING TO
GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER.
AND SO, YEAH, I REALLY STRUGGLE
WITH THIS THIS TYPE OF BILL
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S
HELPING. I THINK IT'S CREATING
MORE LEGAL LIABILITY, AND IT'S
CREATING MORE OF A SAFETY
PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T
HAVE NOT JUST GOING ABOUT THEIR
REGULAR DAY WALKING DOWN THE
SIDEWALK GOING TO A MARKET AND
GET RUN DOWN, SO. UH LOOK, I
THINK THIS IS A HEALTHY DEBATE
TO HAVE RIGHT. I MEAN, WHAT THIS
REALLY IS. I'M NOT GONNA SIT
HERE AND PRETEND THAT ON THE
TECHNICAL EXPERT AH, ON THIS
ISSUE, RIGHT? AND MAYBE MY
COLLEAGUE IS, UM BUT WHAT WE'RE
REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE FOR
BECAUSE SKID ROW HAS BEEN
INVOKED HERE, SO WE'LL TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN
THERE THAT LOOKS LIKE SKID ROW.
DO PEOPLE HAVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE
ISSUES? YES. THEY'RE GOING TO
HAVE THEM WHETHER YOU HAVE THIS
BILL, WHETHER YOU TAKE AWAY THIS
BILL, THIS CONCEPT EXISTS OR
NOT. IT IS A FACT RIGHT NOW THAT
IF YOU WALK INTO A IF YOU WALK
DOWN SKID, BRO. IF YOU WALK DOWN
THE SKID ROW IN YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT THERE MIGHT
BE PEOPLE USING I'M WORKING ON
THE STREET. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE
WITH NEEDLES IN THEIR ARMS. I'VE
SEEN PEOPLE USE PUT THE NEEDLE
WHERE YOU SEE HIM IN ALL SORTS
OF FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END
IT SELLS. IT'S HAPPENING. IT'S A
CRISIS. THE QUESTION BEFORE US
ISN'T JUST GONNA ENABLE. OF
COURSE, THIS IS NOT GOING TO
ENABLE. IT'S HAPPENING. IT'S NOT
AN ENABLING ANY. THAT'S THE
WRONG SIDE OF THAT. THAT'S THE
WRONG APPROACH. THE WRONG WAY TO
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. ARE THERE
BETTER PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE TO
BUILD? OF COURSE WE DO. IS IT
ARE SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT
EXIST TODAY. COULD THEY BE
BETTER? YES ARE SOME FEELING
ABSOLUTELY WHAT THIS IS REALLY
ABOUT. IT IS TRYING TO PREVENT
THE WORST FROM HAPPENING. CAN A
PERSON GET UP AND WALK OUT AFTER
THEY USED IN A IN A IN ONE OF
THESE FACILITIES. OF COURSE THEY
CAN. ARE THEY USING TODAY AND
WALKING AROUND? OF COURSE THEY
ARE. ONCE SOMEBODY GOES USERS
SOMETHING AND LOOK, I STRUGGLED
WITH THIS THE FIRST TIME THIS
CONCEPT WAS INTRODUCED TO ME
TALK TO THE AUTHOR AND FELT
UNCOMFORTABLE. IT WAS NEW. I
SPENT A LOT OF SOUL SEARCHING
THE FIRST TIME, THE THAT THIS
WAS INTRODUCED TO ME. BUT AFTER
SITTING THINKING ABOUT THIS AND
WALKING THROUGH SKID ROW AND
SEEING PEOPLE USE USE. WHATEVER
DRUG THEY WERE CHOOSING TO USE.
HOW YOU YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE
CONCLUSION THAT IT IS BETTER
THAT THEY USE IT IN A FACILITY
WORDS AT LEAST SUPERVISED. WERE
THE WORST CANNOT HAPPEN THEIR
DEATH. WERE THE WORST CANNOT
HAPPEN THEM HURTING SOMEBODY
ELSE. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
THE WORST THAT CAN POSSIBLY
HAPPEN IF SOMEBODY USES IT. THAT
DOESN'T MAKE A BETTER PROGRAMS.
COURSE, DOESN'T GET TO SOME
PROGRAMS ARE NOT FAILED. I SAID
THAT 100 TIMES. THAT'S AN
EXAGGERATION TO BUT IT SAID THAT
SEVERAL TIMES. IF YOU GO TO SOME
OF THESE SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS
ASKING FOR A SECOND. SORRY TO
TAKE A LONG TIME AGO, BUT I FEEL
VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.
THERE ARE SOBERING HOMES IN
DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES TO GET
DRUNK. WE'RE WHAT WHAT? WHERE?
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE WORST.
SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN. THEIR NEAR
DEATH OR POTENTIALLY AND THEY
BRING THEM INTO THESE SILVER
HOMES, LIKE CHALLENGE ANYBODY
HERE TO COME WITH ME AND SEE
THESE AND A PERSON IS THERE
UNTIL THEY RECOVER. THAT IS THE
WORST THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
PREVENT FROM SOMEBODY COMING TO
SILVER HOME. I WASN'T GONNA
APPROACH THIS FROM A TECHNICAL
EXPERTISE. BUT I DON'T THINK WE
CAN MAKE THESE THIS APPROACH A
BOOGEYMAN. IT'S NOT A BOOGEYMAN
. IT IS AN UP IT IS TRYING TO
GIVE AND I'M SORRY TO TAKE SO
LONG. BUT IT'S BECAUSE I FEEL
STRONGLY THAT THIS SHOULDN'T BE
MADE A BOOGEYMAN IF YOU DON'T
AGREE WITH IT FINE. THAT'S OKAY
BUT AGAINST IT BUT WHAT? WHAT I
THINK IS TRYING TO HAPPEN HERE
WITHOUT PUTTING LANGUAGE INTO
THE IN THE AUTHOR'S MOUTH. IS TO
GIVE A LOCATION. WOULD YOU GIVE
THE SAFEST POSSIBLE SCENARIO
UNDER THE GIVEN CIRCUMSTANCES?
FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL AND I WOULD
ARGUE ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC. ARE
WHEN IT'S SOMEBODY IS AT THEIR
LOWEST POINT IN THEIR LIFE IS
WHEN THEY LOOK TOWARDS HELP.
THIS MAY BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
FIND SOMEBODY AT THEIR LOWEST
POINT AND OFFER THEM THAT HELP.
I THINK IT'S AN IT'S AN ATTEMPT
TO ADDRESS MANY OF THE ISSUES
THAT HAVE BEEN AIMED TO CREATE
THIS THE BOOGEYMAN OF ALL
THINGS. HE'S NOT SITTING HERE
SAYING, HEY, LET'S CREATE A SAFE
HOUSE SO EVERYBODY CAN COME HERE
AND USE WE'RE NOT GOING THERE
TOMORROW MORNING BECAUSE THEY'RE
OFFERING STUFF. IT IS AN ATTEMPT
TO CREATE A SAFE PLACE FOR
PEOPLE TO USE TO HELP THEM WHEN
THEY'RE AT THEIR LOWEST AND TO
AND TO PREVENT THE WORST FROM
HAPPENING IN PUBLIC SAFETY. I'M
SORRY, MR CHAIR. I RARELY EVER
SPEAK THAT LONG. I EVER SPEAK.
YOU KNOW THAT, BUT BUT I DON'T
WANT THIS TO BECOME THE
BOOGEYMAN OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING
TO DO HERE. YES, I WOULD JUST
LIKE TO ASK MR LEVEL TO ADDRESS
THIS OVERDOSE DEATHS, SO WE HAVE
KIND OF A CLEARER PICTURE
BECAUSE I KNOW WITH YOUR
ASSOCIATION THAT YOU KNOW MORE.
HERE'S THE PROBLEM. INJECTION
SITES ONLY DRAW ABOUT 5% OF
CONTINUOUS USERS. THAT'S TRUE IN
CANADA. THAT'S TRUE IN NEW YORK.
UM THERE'S NO STRATEGY FOR
INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
WHO COME TO AN INJECTION SITE.
WHAT INJECTION SITES DO IS THERE
IS A MAGNET EFFECT SO THAT
PEOPLE COME INTO THE AREA. NOW
WE CORE OF THE CHALLENGE WITH
ADDICTION IS YOU ARE NOT DEALING
WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD WITH
DELAYED GRATIFICATION. IF I AM.
SITTING IN AN ALLEY WITH MY
NEEDLES, CLEAN OR DIRTY. AND
WITH MY DOPE. I'VE GOT
EVERYTHING I NEED. I'M GOING TO
SIT AND SHOOT UP RIGHT THERE.
NOW I WISH TO GOD THAT PEOPLE
WOULD GO TO THE INJECTION SITE
FIRST, SO THAT IF GOD FORBID
SOMETHING GOES WRONG, THERE'S
SOMEONE THERE TO INTERVENE. BUT
THE TRUTH AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE
THIS. THE TRUTH IS, IS THAT
RIGHT NOW? ABOUT 5% OF THE
REGULAR USERS GO TO INJECTION
SITES. EVERYONE ELSE IS DRAWN
INTO THE AREA. UM, AND THEY ARE
OVERDOSING. IN THE MOST UNSAFE
ENVIRONMENT. THERE IN THE ALLEY
. THEY OVERDOSE THEY DIE. THE
INJECTION SITE IS TWO BLOCKS
AWAY, BUT THEY DON'T GO THERE
AND YOU LOOK AT THIS BILL AND
YOU LOOK AT OTHER BILLS WHERE
THIS IS A PROBLEM. THERE IS NO
COGNIZABLE STRATEGY. FOR
FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET THE
ADDICT TO THE INJECTION SITE,
AND THAT'S THE CORE OF THIS
EVERY PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE
INJECTION SITES IN THE AREA
AROUND IT. YOU HAVE AN INCREASE
IN OVERDOSE DEATHS IN, FOR
EXAMPLE, IN VANCOUVER. ACCORDING
TO THE CORONER'S OFFICE IN
BRITISH COLUMBIA. THE INJECTION
SITE INCREASE OR THE INCREASE IN
DEATHS FROM OVERDOSES. IN THE 18
YEARS SINCE THEY'VE HAD THEIR
INJECTION SITE. THE INCREASE IN
OVERDOSE DEATHS IS 1000. IN
ALBERTA PROVINCE. IT'S LOWER.
THE INCREASE IS 65. UM IN NEW
YORK CITY. AGAIN YOU HAVE A USE
FACTOR OF ONLY 5. AT THE
INJECTION SITE. AND SO YOU STILL
HAVE IN OVERDOSE DEATHS? IN THE
STREETS AND BECAUSE OF THE
MAGNET EFFECT, YOU HAVE A
GREATER QUANTITY OF PEOPLE.
THAT'S THE TRAGEDY OF THIS, AND
THAT'S THE FALSE NARRATIVE. THAT
IS BEING IS BEING PUT FORWARD.
THERE ISN'T IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO
DO THIS, RIGHT? TO SIT DOWN AND
FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO STRATEGIES
THAT GET PEOPLE TO THE INJECTION
SITE. TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO
USE INJECTION SITES,
DISINCENTIVIZE THEM TO SHOOT UP
IN THE STREETS. BUT THIS BILL
DOESN'T DO THAT. AND IT'S IN
THERE SN'T A SERIOUS EFFORT TO
SIT DOWN AND FIGURE THAT
STRATEGY. AND MR QUIRK? YEAH. IT
SOUNDS AS IF THE WITNESS, UH WAS
SAYING THAT. BECAUSE DEATHS HAVE
GONE UP. WE SHOULDN'T DO THIS
CORRELATION IS NOT THE SAME AS
CAUSATION TO BLAME. SITES LIKE
THIS. WHEN IN THE REST OF THE
COUNTRY WHERE THERE ARE NO
SITES, THINGS HAVE GONE UP BY
SIMILAR AMOUNTS. CERTAINLY CITY
SHOULD LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE
TO SAY IN TERMS OF GETTING IT
RIGHT AND GETTING PEOPLE THERE.
THAT'S PART OF THE EXECUTION OF
THIS. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT
PROHIBITED BY THE BILL. SO THAT
IS GOOD ADVICE. AND I HOPE THAT
THE CITIES THAT ARE DOING THIS
TAKE IT. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW,
MOTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
YOU MAY CLOSE MHM. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES
PRO AND CON FOR THE FOR THE
DIALOGUE. ONE THING I THINK I
WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT MHM
AND NO POINT HAVE I OR ANYONE
ELSE THAT I'M AWARE OF SAID THAT
THIS IS LIKE A SILVER BULLET. IF
WE DO THIS, THE ADDICTION OVER
THOSE CRISIS IS GOING TO BE
OVER. I'VE NEVER SAID THAT. THIS
IS ONE ADDITIONAL TOOL AMONG
MANY OTHER TOOLS AND THE SUGGEST
THAT A TOOL HAS TO SOLVE THE
ENTIRE PROBLEM TO USE IT. THAT'S
JUST NOT HOW THE REAL WORLD
WORKS. THIS IS A TOOL THAT WE
KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE AND OTHER
CITIES HAS REAL BENEFITS. THE
ONLY THING WE SHOULD BE DOING OF
COURSE, WE SHOULD BE INCREASING
TREATMENT. ABSOLUTELY. BUT THIS
IS ONE WAY TO HELP KEEP PEOPLE
SAFE AND ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE
GET INTO THANK YOU GET INTO
TREATMENTS. THANK YOU. SOME OF
THEM ARE QUOTE FOR QUOTE FOR
POINTING OUT THAT YOU KNOW, TO
GET TO MARCH IN HERE AND SAY
THAT OVER THE 18 YEARS THAT HAVE
SAFE CONSUMPTION SITE HAS BEEN
IN EFFECT. OVERDOSES WENT UP
WHEN WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OVER
THAT TIME WITH SYNTHETIC OPIOIDS
THAT THAT'S REALLY JUST NOTHING
SHOCKS ME ANYMORE, BUT THAT'S
SORT OF SHOCKS ME THAT SOMEONE
WOULD COME IN HERE AND SAY, LET
THEM BLAME THE SITE FOR THAT.
UM, AND THE IDEA THAT YOU
CRITICIZE THIS BY SAYING NOT
ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE USING IT. LIKE
OKAY. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. YOU
WANT MORE PEOPLE TO USE IT. BUT
THE CRITICIZES BY SAYING NOT
ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE
IT. WELL, THAT'S A CHALLENGE. TO
THESE STUDIES SAY, LET'S FIND
WAYS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WHO ARE
USING KNOW ABOUT THESE SITES AND
CAN ACCESS THEM SO WE CAN HELP
GET THEM IN THE RECOVERY AND SO
WE CAN PREVENT THEM FROM DYING.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I
VOTE. AND I WANT TO YOU KNOW
WHEN THIS FIRST BROUGHT TO ME
SEVERAL YEARS AGO BY ONE OF MY
COLLEAGUES FROM SAN JOSE, I WAS
VERY APPREHENSIVE, AND I AND I
PROBABLY WAS ONE OF THE
IMPEDIMENTS TO EVEN GETTING THIS
TO THIS STAGE. UM SINCE THEN,
I'VE LEARNED A LOT. UM THE
REASON YOU SEE SO MUCH PASSION
FROM MR SANTIAGO BECAUSE HE USED
TO REPRESENT BUT HE'S STILL
REPRESENTS SKID ROW. I WILL BE
REPRESENTING SKID ROW. UM, NEXT
YEAR. AND SO WE BOTH HAVE A
VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY
. UM THAT'S BEEN IMPACTED BY
DRUGS. YOUTH I WILL SAY FROM A
PERSONAL LEVEL. UM, I'VE HAD AND
ALCOHOL AND A COUSIN DIED IN SAN
FRANCISCO, A DRUG OVERDOSE, ONE
BECAME A DRUG COUNSELOR. BUT THE
DEMONS JUST TOOK OVER AND
EVENTUALLY HE USED TO COME TO
HEROIN. AND WE WENT THROUGH
THAT. WORK GOING TO DO TOUGH
LOVE. AND I WATCHED BOTH OF MY
RELATIVE DIE IN THE STREET. AND
SO TOUGH LOVE DIDN'T WORK
EITHER. UM, BUT I DO REMEMBER MY
COUSIN SAYING BECAUSE HE GOT
INTO THE TREATMENT BUSINESS.
BECAUSE HE WAS ABLE TO RELATE TO
OTHER ADDICTS. HE WAS REALLY
PROUD THAT HE SAVED A LOT OF
PEOPLE. BUT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH
. AND THIS IS IN THE EIGHTIES.
THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH FACILITIES
TO GO AHEAD AND HELP UM. I LOVE
THE FACT THAT IT'S VOLUNTARY. I
BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY OF LOS
ANGELES AND FORMER COLLEAGUES OF
OURS WHO WERE THERE NOW WILL
TAKE THE ADVICE OF WHAT I'M
HEARING FROM THE OPPONENT. AND
TAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION AND
PUT IT INTO A PROGRAM THAT WILL
WORK. I MEAN, THERE WAS A
SUGGESTION THAT WE WAIT UNTIL WE
COME UP WITH THE PERFECT
LEGISLATION. AND I'VE SAID THAT
1000 TIMES. I'LL SAY IT TO GET
AGAIN TODAY. IT'S NEVER
LEGISLATION IMPLEMENTATION. IT'S
WHAT THE COUNTY'S DO WE CAN COME
UP WITH, WE THINK IS THE BEST.
LEGISLATION IN THE WORLD IF IT'S
NOT IMPLEMENTED, RIGHT? THEN
IT'S A FAILURE. I HAVE 100%
CONFIDENCE THAT L. A COUNTY WILL
GET IT RIGHT. I'VE TALKED TO A
FORMER COLLEAGUE WHO WAS UP HERE
YESTERDAY. UM, WHO'S NOW HAS A
JOB IN THE CITY. OF SAN
FRANCISCO. UM AND HE TOLD ME.
THIS SHOULD HAPPEN AND WE SHOULD
GIVE SAN FRANCISCO AN
OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
THAT. AND SO ON THE ADVICE OF
PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE TO LIVE
WITH IT. MY COUNTY, YOUR COUNTY
. UM I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE
NEED TO GO AHEAD AND TRY
SOMETHING NEW. AND WE NEED TO GO
AHEAD AND MAKE SURE WE LISTEN TO
THE OPPONENTS. MAKE SURE THAT
ALL THAT INFORMATION GETS DOWN
TO THE LOCAL LEVELS OF THE ONES
THAT WANT TO DO THIS. THAT'S
THAT'S THE KEY TO ME. IF YOU
VOLUNTARILY WANT TO DO THIS,
KNOWING ALL OF THE ALL OF THE
HEADACHES AND PEDIMENTS THE
TROUBLE AND, UM MR SANTIAGO CAN
TELL YOU, IT IS A STRUGGLE AND
SKID ROW. YOU CAN TELL US. IT'S
STRUGGLING IN THE TENDERLOIN,
THE FACT THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL
AGENCIES WANT TO ACTIVELY MAKE
THIS HAPPEN IS HUGE, AND WE
SHOULD NOT GET IN THEIR WAY. WE
SHOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH
INFORMATION JUST IN THIS
DISCUSSION TO SAY NOT ONLY
SHOULD WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THESE
PILOT PROGRAMS, BUT WE SHOULD
MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE
INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST SAID
TODAY. AND THEN SOME, SO THAT WE
CAN HAVE THE BEST OUTCOMES FROM
ALL OF THESE INJECTION SITE,
CHURCH RECOMMENDING AND I VOTE.
HONEST TO BE 57 BY SENATOR
WIENER. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
SAWYER SAWYER. I LACKEY LACKEY.
NO, BONTA, I BRIAN BRIAN, I
WORK. QUIRK SANTIAGO SANTIAGO I
SEE ARTO ARTO NÓ. THE MEASURE
PASSES. THANK YOU COLLEAGUES.
YOU'RE WELCOME. WE'RE NOW GOING
TO ITEMS. SB 467 WIENER EXPERT
WITNESSES. WRITTEN HAPPY, OF
COURSE MAYBE A CORPUS OR DO YOU
WANT TO GO? THANK YOU. I'LL BE
BRIEF. HMM. BUT WE'RE GOING TO
TRY TO I WANT TO GO THROUGH AND
TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS IT'S DONE
AS POSSIBLE. SO WE'LL BE. WE'LL
BE BRIEF. AH! THANK YOU, MR SP.
FORWARD. 67 IS A BILL DESIGNED
TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT
WRONGFULLY CONVICTED BASED ON
FLAWED OR FALSE EXPERT
TESTIMONY. AND THAT PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BEEN CONVICTED WHERE THERE
IS NOW A SIGNIFICANT SERIOUS
DISPUTE AS TO THE VALIDITY OF
EXPERT TESTIMONY THAT THAT THE
COMMISSION WAS BASED ON HAVE THE
ABILITY TO SEEK HABEAS CORPUS.
WE KNOW THAT EXPERT TESTIMONY IS
EXTREMELY POWERFUL. WHEN IT'S
PRESENTED TO A JURY. WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS A SOUND
BASIS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT IF SOMEONE WAS CONVICTED ON
WHAT ENDS UP BEING QUESTIONABLE
OR EVEN JUNK EXPERT TESTIMONY
THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO
GET OUT OF PRISON. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE
WITH ME TODAY TO BRIEF WITH ME
TODAY TO BRIEFLY TESTIFY IS
JANET DURATEC, WHO IS AN
EXONEREES. AND DAVID FLAGMAN,
WHO'S CHANCELLOR INDIAN AT
HASTINGS COLLEGE OF THE LAW AND
EXPERT IN THIS AREA MOTION FROM
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE.
DON'T TALKED PAST THE YES.
WHAT'S PAST AS YOU CAN. UM GOOD
AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS
JANET DIXON. I WAS WRONGFULLY
CONVICTED WITH THE FLAWED
SCIENCE OF ARSON AND GIVEN AN
ILLEGAL SENTENCE OF LIFE WITHOUT
THE POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE. I WAS
18 YEARS OLD. I SPENT 40 YEARS
IN PRISON AND WAS FREED AT THE
AGE OF 58. THE EXPERT TESTIMONY
AT MY TRIAL WAS SO COMPELLING
AND SO BELIEVABLE. THE JURY
JURORS WITHOUT HAVING FORMAL
TRAINING PROBABLY FELT OBLIGATED
TO AGREE. AT TIMES. I EVEN
DOUBTED MYSELF AND DID NOT KNOW
WHAT WAS HAPPENING OR WHY. BUT I
KNEW THE EXPERT TESTIMONY WAS
ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. FOR AT THE
HEART OF THIS FLAWED SCIENCE OF
ARSON ARE REAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE
LOST OR STAND TO LOSE A
LIFETIME. I HAVE NOT BEEN
TOTALLY EXONERATED YET. BUT AS
LONG AS THERE IS BREATH IN ME, I
WILL FIGHT THIS FIGHT CALLED
JUSTICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
UM. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THANK
YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK IN STRONG SUPPORT OF SB 4
67. CHIEF JUDGE HARRY EDWARDS,
THE UNITED STATES COURT OF
APPEALS FOR THE D C. CIRCUIT
COACH CHAIR. THE NATIONAL
ACADEMIES OF SCIENCES REPORT IN
2000 AND NINE ON FORENSIC
SCIENCE. THAT REPORT CRITICIZED
THE HOST OF FORENSIC FIELDS,
INCLUDING AMONG OTHERS, TWO
MARKS AND FIREARMS, HAIR FIBER
AND BITE MARKS FOR LACKING A
SUPPORTING SCIENTIFIC
LITERATURE. THE REPORT WENT ON
TO NOTE THAT MANY OF THESE
FIELDS DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER
WHETHER ADDRESS QUESTIONS
REGARDING VARIABILITY,
RELIABILITY, REPEATABILITY. OR
THE NUMBER OF CORRELATIONS
NEEDED TO ACHIEVE A GIVEN DEGREE
OF CONFIDENCE. THE 2000 AND NINE
REPORTS SURPRISED MANY IN THE
LEGAL COMMUNITY. FOLLOWING THE
PUBLICATION OF THE REPORT, JUDGE
EDWARD STATED THAT HE HAD
STARTED WITH THE ASSUMPTION LIKE
MOST PEOPLE THAT THE SCIENCE WAS
VALID. HE SAID, HOWEVER, THAT HE
WAS QUOTE SURPRISINGLY MISTAKEN
IN WHAT HE HAD ASSUMED UNQUOTE.
HISTORICALLY OUTSIDE OF D. N A.
MOST OF THE FORENSIC
IDENTIFICATION SCIENCES WHO
DEVELOPED BY POLICE LABORATORIES
FOR INVESTIGATION PURPOSES AND
WERE NEVER SUBJECTED TO RIGOROUS
STUDY. BY THE MAINSTREAM
SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. COURTS
LARGELY ALLOWED THESE EXPERTS TO
TESTIFY IN THE BASIS OF A
CONSENSUS OF THE RESPECTIVE
FIELDS REGARDING THEIR VALIDITY.
YET MANY ONCE ACCEPTED FORENSIC
METHODS HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATED
TO BE INVALID, AND AS A RESULT,
THE FBI HAS SINCE ABANDONED
PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED INDICATORS
OF ARSON. HAIR IDENTIFICATION
AND COMPARATIVE BULLET. LEAD
ANALYSIS. FIREARMS
IDENTIFICATION IS ANOTHER HIGH
PROFILE EXAMPLE WHERE THE
ABILITY OF FIREARMS EXAMINERS TO
CORRECTLY IDENTIFY A BULLET. OR
MAGIC CARTRIDGE CASE TO
PARTICULAR GUN IS ASSERTED TO
HAVE LESS THAN 1% ERROR RATES BY
THOSE IN THIS FIELD, HOWEVER,
THE RIDDLE APPROPRIATE RESEARCH
THAT EXISTS INDICATES THAT ERROR
RATES EXCEED 30% AND MAYBE AS
HIGH AS 50. THE 2000 AND NINE
REPORT OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES
AND THE MORE RECENT 2016 REPORT
OF PRESIDENT OBAMA'S PRESIDENT'S
COUNCIL OF ADVISORS AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY P CAST. INDICATE
THAT MANY ADDITIONAL FORENSIC
FIELD SIT ON SHAKY OR NON
EXISTENT. EMPIRICAL FOUNDATIONS
. I BELIEVE THAT SP 4 67 WILL
ULTIMATELY READ TO CREATION OF
BETTER FORENSIC TECHNOLOGIES
BECAUSE COURT BECAUSE COURTS
WILL DEMAND THAT THE RESEARCH BE
DONE. AS THE REVOLUTION IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT THAT IS DNA
PROFILING DEMONSTRATED, WELL
VALIDATED FORENSIC SCIENCE,
EFFECTIVELY CONVICT THE GUILTY
AND EXONERATES THE INNOCENT.
THAT IS AN OUTCOME WERE
SUPPORTING. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. THIS ISN'T PORTS. SAME
ORGANIZATION. NATASHA MINSTER,
SMART JUSTICE, CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MELISSA
O'CONNELL FROM THE NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA INNOCENCE PROJECT,
AND WE WERE PROUD CO SPONSOR OF
SB 4 67. GOOD AFTERNOON. JASMINE
HARRIS. THE CALIFORNIAN ISMS
PROJECT STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, AISHA HUSSEIN FROM
THE LOYOLA PROJECT FOR THE
INNOCENT, BASED IN LOS ANGELES,
PROUD COAST SPONSOR IN STRONG
SUPPORT. ALSO IN SUPPORT ARE THE
FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS. W
CALIFORNIA ACTION, CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION AND
INITIATE JUSTICE. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING OR AFTERNOON. GLENN
BACCHUS FOR ALLAH BAKER CENTER
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. LITTLE
WITH CALIFORNIA'S FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE AND SUPPORT AND TIME
DONE AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 18
T OPERATOR OPENED THE LINES FOR
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT OF A B
467. YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. YOU
MAY PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO.
AGAIN THAT IS ONE IN THE ZERO
APPEARANCE SUPPORT. WE WILL GO
TO LINE 1 23. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS JIM
LINDBERG ON BEHALF OF THE
FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
IN CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT. QUÊ
AND WE HAVE NO FURTHER
SUPPORTING QUÊ AT THIS TIME, MR
CHAIR, WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
SEEING NOTHING. THE HEARING ROOM
OPEN UP THE LINES, WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. GIVING UP POSITION.
YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO.
AGAIN THAT IS ONE AND THEN ZERO.
IF YOU'RE AN OPPOSITION. AND WE
HAVE NO OPPOSITION IN Q AT THIS
TIME, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU WILL
BRING IT IN. T THE COMMITTEE
ANY QUESTIONS? YES. WHERE I'VE
BEEN MOVING IN A SECOND. THE
SECOND. I SECOND, OKAY? YOU MAY
CLOSE. MR WIENER. WE SPOKE LAST
NIGHT. CHAIRS. RECOMMEND I VOTE,
TAKE A ROLE. AN SD 4 67 BY
SENATOR READER. THE MOTION IS TO
PASS TO THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE. JOAN SAWYER, BLACKIE
BLACKIE, I BONTA. I, BRIAN.
BRIAN I CORK I SANTIAGO SEYARTO
TOÀN NOT VOTING. THEIR MAJOR
PASSES. ITEM SB 836 WIENER
EVIDENCE IMMIGRATION STATUS WITH
AN URGENCY THIS ONE WILL BE
QUITE BRIEF. MR CHAIRMAN. THIS
COMMITTEE SAW THIS BILL A FEW
YEARS AGO. AH AND THE BILL
UNFORTUNATELY, EXPIRED AT THE
END OF LAST YEAR, AND SO WE KNOW
WANTING TO RENEW THE SUNSET.
THIS BILL SIMPLY PROVIDES THAT
I'M GONNA WITNESSES TESTIFYING
IN COURT, THEY CANNOT BE ASKED
ABOUT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS
UNLESS THE ATTORNEY FIRST
APPROACHES THE JUDGE AND MAKES
HER SHOWING THAT THE IMMIGRATION
STATUS IS ACTUALLY RELEVANT OR
WHAT THE BILL TRIES TO AVOID, IS
, UM IMMIGRANTS, FEARING THAT IF
THEY GO TO COURT THEY'RE GOING
TO GET ASKED IRRELEVANT
QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR
IMMIGRATION STATUS THAT THEY MAY
GET DEPORTED. AND SO THEREFORE
THEY WILL NOT SHOW UP IN COURT,
WHICH MAKES US ALL LESS SAFE. SO
THIS BILL, UM IS I WISH WE HAD
DONE IT LAST YEAR BEFORE IT
EXPIRED, BUT BETTER LATE THAN
NEVER, AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN I VOTE WITH ME TODAY. IS
DAN PHIL ASADA FROM THE L. A. D
A S OFFICE, ONE OF OUR CO
SPONSORS. YES. AS THE CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS DANVILLE ASSAULT ON
BEHALF OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE
COMMITTEE MAY HAVE. THANK YOU,
SIR. UH, ANY WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT NATASHA MINSK REFER THE
PROSECUTORS ALLIANCE OF
CALIFORNIA AND STRONG SUPPORT.
RITA MANDINA COALITION FOR
HUMANE IMMIGRANT RIGHTS CHEERED
UP PROUD, COSPONSOR AND SUPPORT.
ATTACK ALLEN, LEGISLATIVE CHAIR
FOR THE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC
PARTY, BLACK CAUCUS AND FULL
SUPPORT. AND LITTLE CALIFORNIA
FOR SAFETY AND JUSTICE AND
SUPPORT. NOW GO TO THE PHONE
LINES. WITNESSES IN SUPPORT ON
SB 836 WIENER. QUÊ APPEAR IN
SUPPORT. YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND
THEN ZERO. AGAIN THAT IS ONE IN
THEN ZERO FAIR AND SUPPORT. WE
WILL GO TO LINE 1 11. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. A GOOD
AFTERNOON, REBECA GONZALEZ WITH
THE NATIONALISTS ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS, CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NEXT WE'LL GO TO LINE 1 25. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS GREGORY CRAMER
ON BEHALF OF DISABILITY RIGHTS,
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT OF SB 8,
36. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT,
WE'LL GO TO LINE 38. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. ONE
MOMENT HERE. YES. NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. LINE 38. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK
YOU. OOD AFTERNOON. CHAIR
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KEN WANG.
I'M NOT TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA EMPLOYMENT LAWYERS
ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS THE
FOLLOWING LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS
LEGAL AID AT WORK, LOS ANGELES
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE. LET'S GO. DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ASIAN AMERICAN
ADVANCINGJUSTICE CALIFORNIA,
CALIFORNIA IMMIGRANT POLICY
CENTER, CALIFORNIA PARTNERSHIP
TO END DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
CALIFORNIA RURAL LEGAL
ASSISTANCE FOUNDATION INC.
WONDERFUL WORKERS, RIGHT?
CENTROLEGAL DELYLAH HASTA ELLA
BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS,
EQUAL RIGHTS ADVOCATE FAMILY
BALANCE AT THE APPELLATE
PROJECT. FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON
LEGISLATION OF CALIFORNIA
CENTRALCALLEGAL OAKLAND PRIVACY
. PICO CALIFORNIA PROSECUTORS
ALLIANCE OF CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE. YOU SEE HASTINGS
COMMUNITY JUSTICE CLINIC. AND
THE WAREHOUSE WORKER RESOURCE
CENTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE ONE. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE ONE
MORE IN Q ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.
WE'RE JUST GIVING THEIR LINE
NUMBER. AGAIN AS A REMINDER. WE
ARE IN SUPPORT. YOU MAY PRESS
ONE AND THEN ZERO. WE'LL GO TO
LINE 1 28. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HELLO THIS IS BRIANNA ZAVALA
CALLING ON BEHALF OF SUMMER,
SECOND FROM THE MANUAL COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE
ARE IN SUPPORT OF SB 836. THANK
YOU. AGAIN. WE HAVE NO FURTHER
SUPPORTING QUÊ AT THIS TIME. NOW
WE'RE LISTENING TO OPPOSITION TO
SB 836 OR ANYTHING IN THE ROOM.
CNN WHEN I GO TO OPERATE A T AND
T AND HE WITNESSES AN OPPOSITION
TO SB 836 WIENER. FOR OPPOSITION
TO 836, PLEASE PRESS 10. MR
CHAIR. THERE'S NO ONE IN
OPPOSITION TO 8 36 BRINGING BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE AND I THINK WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. YOU.
WHAT I THOUGHT MR QUIRT, MR
CORK, MOVED. A 2ND 2ND. YEAH.
YEAH. COLORADO OH, DID YOU WANT
TO CLOSE? I'M SORRY. OF THE
WORLD. ON SB 836 BY SENATOR
WIENER. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASTURE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
JOHN SAWYER. I LACKEY A LACKEY
ABSTAIN. BANTA BANTA, I, BRIAN.
HI BRIAN. I QUIRK EYES SANTIAGO.
SEYARTO SEYARTO NOT VOTING THAT
MEASURE. I NEED ONE MORE. AND
THEN THE LAST ONE SB 11. OH SIX
WIENER CRIMINALS RE SENTENCING
RESTITUTION. THANK YOU ONE MORE
. AND THEN I'M OUT OF YOUR HAIR.
MR. UM SO, COLLEAGUES, THIS BILL
, UM WE WILL, UM, AND THE
PRACTICE THAT IS REALLY HARMING
PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMPLETED THEIR
SENTENCE AND ARE TRYING TO
REINTEGRATE INTO SOCIETY.
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OTHER WHO
ARE ELIGIBLE FOR RECORD CLEARING
FOR EXPUNGEMENT OF THEIR
RECORDS, BUT BECAUSE OF UNPAID
RESTITUTION. THEY ARE. THERE ARE
JUDGES WHO ARE BARRING THEM FROM
CLEARING THEIR RECORDS JUST TO
BE CLEAR. THIS BILL DOES NOT.
ANYWAY, WE DEUCE OR ELIMINATE
THEIR THE RESTITUTION THAT THEY
OWED. THAT IS A SEPARATE LAW.
SEPARATE DISCUSSION. BUT WE WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN SOMEONE
IS TRYING TO RE ENTER SOCIETY,
WE GIVE THEM EVERY OPPORTUNITY
TO DO SO AND WHEN THEY CAN'T
CLEAR THE RECORD BECAUSE THEY
HAVE UNPAID RESTITUTION AND
THEY'RE POOR, AND SO THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY IT. WE
CREATE A VICIOUS CYCLE WHERE
THEY'RE GOING TO NOT GOING TO
HAVE STABLE HOUSING, NOT GOING
TO HAVE A GOOD JOB, AND IT WILL
MAKE IT EVEN LESS LIKELY THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY
THAT RESTITUTION. SO THIS IS A
LONG OVERDUE REFORM. I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CHAIR IS
ALSO WORKING IN THIS SPACE AND
WE'RE GONNA AS WE PROCEED. MAKE
SURE TO HARMONIZE OUR BILLS. WE
BOTH HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME GOAL
AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I
VOTE. AND WITH ME TODAY IT
TESTIFY AS KHALIL FERGUSON WITH
UNITED CORE ALLIANCE. GOOD
AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. MR CHAIR
AND COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
COLONEL FERGUSON, PRESIDENT FOR
NOT A CORE ALLIANCE. THEY'RE NOT
A CORAL LINES WAS CREATED TO
REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF
CANNABIS EQUITY BUSINESSES AND
EQUITY MEMBERS IN THE POLICY
ENVIRONMENT WILL ALSO PROVIDING
ACTS PERFECT ACCESS TO
PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND AH
AUGMENT ENTREPRENEURIAL AND
WORKFORCE SKILLS. THE CIA IS
ALSO A MEMBER OF THE JUSTICE
JOBS COALITION, WHICH IS
COMPRISED OF ECONOMIC AND LEGAL
JUSTICE ADVOCATES, SUCH AS THE
SACRAMENTO COUNTY PUBLIC
DEFENDER'S OFFICE LEGAL SERVICES
IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AND
SACRAMENTO JUSTICE LEAGUE AND
MORE IN 2020. THE /C A BEGAN
THE OAK PARK MONTHLY EXPUNGEMENT
CLINIC. AS A PART OF THIS
EFFORT. WE BEGAN COLLECTING DATA
ON RESTITUTION BALANCES AND 2021
. WE RECEIVED 142 RESPONDENTS TO
OUR REGISTRATION OUTREACH
SURVEY. 48 OF WHOM RESPONDENTS
HAVING A POSITION SORRY. HAVING
A RESTITUTION BALANCE OWED
REPRESENTING 34% OF RESPONDENTS.
PARTICIPANT RESOLUTION BALANCES
RANGE BETWEEN ZERO AND
$20,000.80 PERCENT OF CLIENTS
WHO SOUGHT OUR EXPENDITURE
SERVICES HAD DRUG RELATED OR
PETTY THEFT CONVICTIONS, WHICH
THEY WERE SEEKING TO EXPUNGED. I
NOTE THAT MANY CONVICTIONS
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE
SOUGHT ARE STILL NOT ELIGIBLE
FOR EXPUNGEMENT OF ANY KIND AND
REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF
REHABILITATION FROM THE
GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. WHEN
CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS WITH
EXPUNGEMENT CLIENTS. THE COMMON
PURPOSE FOR SEEKING EXPUNGEMENT
EITHER IS ONE AND PREPARATION
FOR APPLYING FOR A JOB, A BETTER
PAYING JOB OR SOMETHING. A JOB
OFFER OR TWO THEY HAVE ALREADY
BEEN DIG NAYDA JOB DUE TO
POSSESSING A CRIMINAL RECORD. AN
ECONOMIC IMPACT FORECAST
ANALYSIS BY THE JUSTICE JOBS
COALITION ESTIMATES THAT IF 100
PEOPLE AT THE INCOME OF $10,000
COMPLETED AND EXPUNGEMENT AND
THIS NOW $150,000 PER YEAR WOULD
BE CIRCULATED THROUGHOUT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND REGION IN THE
FORM OF HOUSING PAYMENTS. FOOD
EXPENSES, TRANSPORTATION COSTS
AND HEALTH CARE COSTS AND
MAXIMIZE PREVENTATIVE HEALTH AND
FAMILY CARE. I WILL ALSO NOTE
THAT THERE IS NO DATA WHATSOEVER
THAT DENYING SOMEONE ACCESS TO
CRIMINAL RECORD RELIEF MAKES IT
MORE LIKELY THAT THEY WILL PAY
AN OUTSTANDING RESTITUTION,
FINES OR FEES, BUT IT'S COMMON
SENSE THAT IT MAKES IT MORE
DIFFICULT TO DO SO, SINCE THERE
IS A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN
CRIMINAL RECORDS AND EMPLOYMENT.
TESTIMONIES FROM OUR EXPUNGEMENT
CLIENTS ALSO SUBSTANTIATE THAT
THERE IS NO MERIT TO THE CLAIM
THAT DENYING A PERSON'S
EXPUNGEMENT WOULD INCREASE THE
RATE OF RATE OF COLLECTION FOR
RESTITUTION. FINES. AND THE
TRENDS AND DATA HIGHLIGHTED
ABOVE IS FURTHER SUPPORTED BY
EXPERTISE FROM PUBLIC DEFENDER
OFFICES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. ND THIS IS WHY THE
CIA IS A STRONG SUPPORTER AND CO
SPONSOR OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU
ANY WITNESSES AND SUPPORT NAME
ORGANIZATION NATASHA MINSK OR
SMART JUSTICE, CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT. LITTLE ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA'S FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE, PROPER CO SPONSOR AND
SUPPORT AND TIME DONE IN
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, KYRA
WALKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO, AS
WELL AS THE MAYOR OF LONDON.
BREED AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON, SARAH
RIGNEY ON BEHALF OF INITIATE
JUSTICE, PROUD, CLOSE SPONSOR AS
WELL AS READING SUPPORT FOR
PUBLIC COUNCIL ROUTE AND REBOUND
. RUBICON PROGRAMS. SAN
FRANCISCO FINANCIAL JUSTICE
PROJECT AND UNCOMMON LAW. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING TUCK ALLEN,
REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CDP BLACK
CAUCUS AND STRONG SUPPORT, AS
WELL AS THE CONGRESS OF RACIAL
EQUALITY AND INTERNATIONAL FAITH
BASED COALITION. DANIKA ROAD,
ARMEL ON BEHALF OF THE INSIGHT
CENTER FOR COMMUNITY ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT LAWYERS COMMITTEE
FOR CIVIL RIGHTS OF THE SAN
FRANCISCO BAY AREA SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF
ALAMEDA COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER
CALIFORNIA, INDIVISIBLE STATE
STRONG COMMUNITIES UNITED FOR
RESTORATIVE YOUTH JUSTICE AND
COMMUNITY LEGAL SERVICES IN THE
EAST PALO ALTO. GOOD AFTERNOON.
GOING BACK IS FOR ELLA BAKER
CENTER AND SUPPORT SHORT LIST OF
SUPPORTERS INCLUDE JUSTICE FOR
JOBS. COALITION LAWYERS
COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS. SAN
FRANCISCO LEGAL SERVICES FOR
PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN. MENTAL
HEALTH ADVOCACY SERVICES,
NATIONAL CONSUMER LAW CENTER AND
POLICY LINK. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. UH THAT WILL GO TO THE
PHONE LINES AND HE WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT OF SB 11. OH, SIX
WIENER. OPERATOR OPENED UP LINE.
FOR SB 11. OH, SIX. IN FAVOR.
LINE. 88, PLEASE GO AHEAD. CHAIR
MEMBERS CATALINA SANCHEZ WITH
CORBETT AND KAISER ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA LOW INCOME
CONSUMER COALITION. AND THE
NATIONAL CONSUMER LAW CENTER AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. LINE 111,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. REBECA GONZALEZ
FOR THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS, CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER IN SUPPORT. LINE. 129,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. JIM LINDBERG ON
BEHALF OF THE FRIENDS COMMITTEE
ON LEGISLATION OF CALIFORNIA IN
SUPPORT. BLAINE 11, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. LINE 11. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. MOVING ON TO LINE 132.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON
, MR. CHAIR MALIK BYNUM WITH
UNITED DOMESTIC WORKERS ASKED ME
LOCAL 39 30 HERE IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. LINE. 130, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS
PAUL BRILEY ON BEHALF OF ALL OF
US, AND NONE IN LEGAL SERVICES
FOR PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN AND
STRONG SUPPORT. IN LINE 11,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MARCO GEORGE ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. LINE 126,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. AGAIN WHAT I
SEE JUSTICE GROUP AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THERE'S NO
ONE ELSE IN THE SUPPORT QUÊ. NOW
WE'LL GO TO WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. THE NUN IN THE ROOM.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PHONE LINES
WITH THIS IS AN OPPOSITION TO SB
11. OH, SIX WIENER. FOR
OPPOSITION TO 11 06, PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO. THERE ARE NO
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION FROM
THE PHONE'S RINGING BACK TO
COMMITTEE FOR ANY QUESTIONS,
COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
FORWARD THIS BILL AS WELL AS THE
OTHERS THAT YOU HAVE. IT'S BEEN
A I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO
HEARING FROM YOU IN THIS
CAPACITY. I'LL MOVE THE BILL.
SORRY BUT MOVED TO SECOND. I
WILL. SECOND THE BILL. YOU MAY
CLOSE VOTE. CALLED THE RULE. ON
SB 11 6 BY SENATOR WIENER. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS JOHN SAWYER.
JOHN SAWYER. I LACKEY LACKEY. NO
BANTA I II BRIAN. BRIAN I QUIRK
. QUIRK EYES SANTIAGO SANTIAGO I
CR TWO CR TWO. NO MEASURE
PASSAGE. THAT WAS OVER. ON THE
ADD ON. TAKE SOME OF YOU HAVE
BEEN HERE THROUGH THE WHOLE. ON
THE CONSENT CALENDAR. SANTIAGO
SANTIAGO AYE. ITEM NUMBER ONE SB
300 BY SENATOR CURTIS THE THIS
MEASURE IS ON CALL SANTIAGO
SANTIAGO I THAT MEASURE PASSES.
ITEM TWO IS NOT CONSENT ITEM
THREE WAS ON CONSENT ITEM FOUR
WAS ON CONSENT. ADAM, FIVE, WAS
ON CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER SIX SP 9
60 BY SENATOR SKINNER. THIS
MEASURE WAS ON CALL SANTIAGO
SANTIAGOI THAT MEASURE PASSES
ITEM SEVEN WAS ON CONSENT. ITEM
EIGHT WAS ON CONSENT. ITEM
NUMBER NINE HAS BEEN DISPENSED
WITH THAT PAST AS THE 57 ITEM
NUMBER 10 SB 4 67 BY SENATOR
WIENER SANTIAGO. SANTIAGO. AYE.
ITEM 11. SB 836 BY SENATOR
WIENER. THIS MEASURE WAS ON CALL
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO I THAT MEASURE
PASSES. AN ITEM 12 HAS BEEN
DISPENSED WITH. THANK YOU. AND
THAT CONCLUDES THE ASSEMBLY
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING
FOR TODAY.