AFTERNOON. WELCOME. TO THE
ASSEMBLY NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMITTEE. ITEM 18 SP 13 99 BY
SENATOR WIECKOWSKI HAS BEEN
PULLED BY THE AUTHOR. WE HAVE 17
MEASURES ON THE AGENDA TODAY,
WITH THREE PROPOSED FOR CONSENT.
ITEM FOUR. SP 14 10 BY SENATOR
CABALLERO. ITEM 12 SB 11 45 BY
SENATOR LAIRD ITEM 15. SB 1978
BY SENATOR MCGUIRE PLEASE NOTE
THAT MS BOERNER HORVATH HAS BEEN
APPOINTED TO FILL THE VACANCY
TODAY. WE'LL START WITH
ESTABLISHING A QUORUM. RIVAS
HERE IS HERE. FLORA FLORA HERE.
BOERNER HORVATH BOERNER HORVATH
HERE, FRIEDMAN GARCIA. GARCIA
HERE, MATHIS. HERE IS HERE.
MCCARTHY MERIT SOUCI SEYARTO
TOÀN OAN SEYARTO HERE. STONE
HERE WOULD BUT HERE WE HAVE A
QUORUM. THANK YOU. WE'LL START
WITH DO I CAN I GET A MOTION FOR
THE CONSENT CALENDAR? WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. RIVAS I
RIVAS I FLORA FLORA. I
BOERNER HORVATH BURNER HARVEST.
I FRIEDMAN GARCIA. GARCIA I'M
MATHIS MATHIS. I MCCARTY MERITS
UCI. SEYARTO TOÀN ARTO ICED
AN. STONE. I WOULD WOULD I? WE
HAVE EIGHT VOTES. WE'LL LEAVE
THAT OPEN FOR MISSING MEMBERS.
WE ARE WAITING FOR SENATE
AUTHORS. I BELIEVE THEY ARE
STILL IN SESSION. OKAY, SO WE'LL
WAIT A FEW MINUTES.
I'LL REPEAT THE BILLS ON CONSENT
. I DID MAKE A MISTAKE IN NAMED
THE WRONG ITEM NUMBER FOR THE
FIRST ONE, BUT I SAID THE RIGHT
BILL NUMBER, SO FIRST IS ITEM
FIVE. SB 14 10 BY SENATOR
CABALLERO. ITEM 12 SB 11 45 BY
SENATOR LAIRD. AND ITEM 15. SB 9
78 BY SENATOR MCGUIRE.
THANKS. OKAY? WELCOME MR DODD.
WE WILL START ITEMS SEVEN SP 9
26. WE'RE DOING THIS AS AUTHORS
COME IN, SO PLEASE GO AHEAD AND
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. LAST YEAR'S BUDGET
BILL APPROPRIATED $20 MILLION TO
A PILOT. PRESCRIBED FIRE CLAIMS
FUND. HOWEVER ADDITIONAL ACTION
IS NEEDED NOW TO ALLOW THOSE
CLAIMS TO BE MADE. SP 9 26 WOULD
ESTABLISH A PRESCRIBED FIRE
LIABILITY PILOT PROGRAM AND MAKE
THE NECESSARY STATUTES STATUTORY
CHANGES TO OPERATE
OPERATIONALIZED. THE PRESCRIBED
EASY FOR ME TO SAY RIGHT
PRESCRIBED FIRES CLAIM FUND. I
THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT
PRESCRIBED FIRE HAS PROVEN TO BE
A COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO MINIMIZE
THE INTENSITY AND SCOPE OF
WILDFIRES. CALIFORNIA SET A GOAL
TO ULTIMATELY TREAT 500,000
ACRES. HOWEVER IT'S A CHALLENGE
TO FIND ENOUGH TRAINED
PROFESSIONALS TO CONDUCT
PRESCRIBED BURNS TO ACHIEVE THAT
GOAL. PART OF THE PROBLEM IS A
LACK OF INSURANCE FOR PRESCRIBED
FIRE PROFESSIONALS. LAST YEAR, I
ADDRESSED THIS PROBLEM WITH MY
SB 332, WHICH LIMITED THE BURN
BOSS LIABILITY FOR SUPPRESSION
COSTS WHEN PRESCRIBED BURNS
ESCAPE. IN ADDITION TO PASSING
SB 33 TO THE LEGISLATURE ALSO
ESTABLISHED CLAIMS FUND TO HELP
PRESCRIBED FIRE PROFESSIONALS
COVER SOME COSTS WHEN THEY ARE
LIABLE FOR CERTAIN DAMAGES. SP 9
26 PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO
CALIFORNIA, WHERE THE DEPARTMENT
OF INSURANCE AND THE DIRECTOR OF
GENERAL SERVICES AS TO HOW THE
CLAIM FUND OPERATES. SB 9 26
ENJOYS BROAD SUPPORT FROM
ENVIRONMENTALISTS, FIRE
AGENCIES, INDUSTRY AND
AGRICULTURE. THE BILL HAS NO
KNOWN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. AND
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR I VOTE.
SECOND THANK YOU. YOU HAVE.
SUPPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE.
WELCOME HI. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK
HERE IN THIS COMMITTEE, WHICH I
USED TO WORK IN. SO I'M HAPPY TO
SEE YOU ALL. AND MY NAME IS
MICHAEL JARRETT. I'M TESTIFYING
HERE ON BEHALF OF THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY, WHO'S THE SPONSOR
OF SB 9 26. WE THINK THIS IS A
GREAT BILL TO HELP
OPERATIONALIZE THE PRESCRIBED
FIRE CLAIMS FUND, WHICH RECEIVED
AN APPROPRIATION LAST YEAR $20
MILLION. SEVERAL REPORTS HAVE
CALLED FOR THE NEED. FOR THIS
CLAIMS FUN, AND WE BELIEVE THIS
BILL IS THE RIGHT INVESTMENT AND
POLICY CHANGES TO HELP REDUCE
THE CHANCES OF MEGA FIRES IN
CALIFORNIA. SB 9 26 WILL
INCREASE THE PACE AND SCALE OF
PRESCRIBED FIRE. AND PUT GOOD
FIRE ON THE LANDSCAPE, WHICH
WILL REDUCE MEGA FIRES. THAT IS
WHY THE NATURE CONSERVANCY ASKED
FEAR I VOTE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME TODAY. THANK YOU, MR
GERRARD AND WELCOME BACK TO
NATURAL RESOURCES. UH NEXT,
WE'RE READY. UH FOR WITNESSES
AND ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. OKAY? MR MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS CHRIS MCKAY LI ON
BEHALF OF HUMBOLDT AND MENDOCINO
REDWOOD COMPANIES IN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MADAM. CHAIR MARK FINSTER, MAKER
FOR THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION
OF RESOURCE CONSERVATION
DISTRICTS, AND THE WATERSHED
RESEARCH AND TRAINING CENTER IN
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, ELENA
ORTIZ ON BEHALF OF MID PENINSULA
REGIONAL OPEN SPACE DISTRICT
LAND TRUST OF SANTA CRUZ COUNTY
AND SAVE THE REDWOODS LEAGUE IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. KIM DELFINO,
REPRESENTING SONOMA LAND TRUST,
DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE AND THE
CALIFORNIA NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY.
THANK YOU IN SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON JULIA HALL WITH THE
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA WATER
AGENCIES IN SUPPORT, ALSO HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES
TODAY. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
, CHRIS ROSA ON BEHALF OF HEALTH
FORESTS IN SUPPORT. SCOTT WISH
ON BEHALF OF THE JOINT LABOR
MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE OF THE WOOD
PRODUCTS, INDUSTRY AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES IN THE ROOM AND
OPPOSITION? CASE C. NONE OF
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, MR
MATHIS? THANK YOU, MADAM. CHAIR
SENATOR. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THE BILL FORWARD. I'D LIKE TO
JOIN YOU AS A CO AUTHOR. IF I'M
NOT READY AT ANY OTHER COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. SEE NONE. UM WE HAVE
EMOTION FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
TASHA BOERNER HORVATH, SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SEYARTO. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU.
SECRETARY KIM. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLLDO PASS THROUGH JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE. GRIEVOUS I FLORA
FLORA. I BOERNER HORVATH
BOERNER HORVATH FRIEDMAN.
GARCIA. GARCIA I. MATHIS MCCARTY
MERIT SUKI. SUKI. I SAY ARTO.
COR TÔI STONE. STONE. I WOULD
WOULD I? THAT BILL HAS NINE
VOTES, BUT WE'LL LEAVE IT OPEN
FOR MISSING MEMBERS. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU,
SENATOR.
HEY. HEY THERE. HOW ARE YOU?
GREAT WE'RE BACK TO FILE ORDER.
THANK YOU, SENATOR ALLEN.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, THIS IS
SB ITEM ONE SB 10 78. MEMBERS WE
HAVE A MANY SERIES OF PROBLEMS
ASSOCIATED WITH CLIMATE CHANGE.
ONE OF THEM IS SEA LEVEL RISE
AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN
FOLLOWING. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT
OF CONTROVERSIES IN COMMUNITIES
THAT HAVE BEEN FACED WITH SOME
REALLY SERIOUS CHALLENGES
ASSOCIATED WITH WITH THE COST
THE COST BURDEN. WHEN IT COMES
TO SEA LEVEL RISE. THERE ARE
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BEING ASKED
BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS TO SPEND
MORE AND MORE OF THEIR MEAGER
DOLLARS. ON PAYING FOR
ADDITIONAL MITIGATION MEASURES,
SEAWALLS. AH, ANOTHER TYPES OF
THINGS THAT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
TRYING TO KEEP THE SEAT BACK. SO
AS TO PROTECT PROPERTIES THAT
ARE BY THE OCEAN. AND IT TURNS
INTO SOME ENORMOUS POLITICAL
CHALLENGE. FOR COMMUNITIES, SO
WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF A
REVOLVING LOAN FUND. IT WOULD BE
ENTIRELY PERMISSIVE. SO NOBODY
NOBODY WILL BE FORCED INTO THE
INTO THE SYSTEM IF THEY DON'T
WANT TO BE, BUT THEY WOULD GIVE
AN ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL TOOL TO
CITIES TO BASICALLY BUY PROPERTY
THAT IS NEAR THE COAST. THEY CAN
THEN RENT THE PROPERTY OUT. TO
MAKE UP THE FOR THE COST. OF THE
PURCHASE. WE WANT THIS TO BE A
BREAK EVEN UH, YOU KNOW, I ITEM
SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A NET
LOSS TO THE PUBLIC. BUT THAT IT
PROVIDES A SMART FORWARD
THINKING WAY OF ADDRESSING THIS
VERY REAL PUBLIC POLICY
PHENOMENON ASSOCIATED WITH SEA
LEVEL RISE. AND AS THEY SAY,
IT'S 100% PERMISSIVE. AND. AND
IT PROVIDES A FINANCIAL TOOL TO
CITIES THAT ARE FACED WITH THIS
INCREASINGLY CHALLENGING AH
CONUNDRUM. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE
CITIES HAVING TO SPEND LOTS OF
MONEY ON MITIGATION. IT SHOULD
BE GOING TO PARKS OR ROADS OR
FIRST RESPONDERS. AND SO THAT'S
THE BILL. AND, UM GOT A COUPLE
WITNESSES HERE IN MY STAFF STILL
BRING MY PACKET. YEAH. MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I AM
CHRISTINA KONKLE, DEPUTY
COMPTROLLER FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
POLICY AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY BEFORE
YOU TODAY ON SB 10 78 AN
IMPORTANT BILL. THE CONTROLLER
IS THRILLED TO SPONSOR SB 10 78
IS A BILL THAT WILL PROACTIVELY
ADDRESS THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT
OF SEA LEVEL RISE. WE OFTEN
THINK OF SEA LEVEL RISE AS BEING
FAR IN THE FUTURE. BUT IN FACT
EXTREME AND NUISANCE FLOODING
AND BLUFF EROSION ARE ALREADY
THREAT THREATENING HOMES IN
CALIFORNIA, CAUSING CATASTROPHIC
FINANCIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL
IMPACTS AS CALIFORNIA'S CHIEF
FINANCIAL OFFICER, CONTROLLER YE
REALIZES THAT THE RISKIEST
RESPONSE TO SEA LEVEL RISE IS IN
ACTION. WITHIN THE NEXT THREE
DECADES. SEA LEVEL RISE IS
FORECASTED TO CAUSE $17 BILLION
IN PROPERTY DAMAGE ON
CALIFORNIA'S COASTLINE,
EXACERBATING EXISTING SOCIO
ECONOMIC INEQUITIES,
PARTICULARLY TO HISTORICALLY
EXCLUDED COMMUNITIES. WHEN
POSSIBLE AND PRACTICAL, THE MOST
EFFECTIVE WAY TO AVOID THE
IMPACTS OF SEA LEVEL RISE IS TO
MOVE PEOPLE AND PROPERTY AWAY
FROM RISING SEAS. HOWEVER
ADAPTATION STRATEGY SHOULD BE
DESIGNED TO MEET THE NEEDS FOR
EACH OF CALIFORNIA'S DIVERSE
COMMUNITIES. SB 10 78
ACCOMPLISHES THIS BY ALLOWING
LOCAL JURISDICTIONS TO DETERMINE
IF THIS PROGRAM IS SUITABLE FOR
THEIR UNIQUE NEEDS WHILE
ALLOWING PROPERTY OWNERS TO
VOLUNTARILY PARTICIPATE. THIS
APPROACH PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY
TO TEST THE PROGRAM AND TO
CONSIDER LESSONS LEARNED BEFORE
EXPANDING TO A POTENTIAL
STATEWIDE PROGRAM. DOING SO
ALIGNS WITH THE L. A S 2019
RECOMMENDATION TO ACT ON SEA
LEVEL RISE PREPARATIONS NOW TO
AVOID LOST OPPORTUNITIES AND
HIGHER COSTS AND STRATEGICALLY
PLANNED ADAPTATION ACTIONS.
FEBRUARY'S IPCC REPORT
REITERATED THAT JUSTICE AND
EQUITY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT
ON HOW EFFECTIVE ADAPTATION CAN
BE S B 10 78 ENSURES THE
COMMUNITIES WITH THE GREATEST
NEED RECEIVE SUPPORT FIRST.
BEFORE SEA LEVEL RISE RELATED
IMPACTS. IMPACTS THE VALUE OF
THEIR HOMES. IN THE U. S MOST
BUYOUT POLICIES ARE REACTIONARY
RESPONSES TO NATURAL DISASTERS
AND REQUIRE RESIDENTS TO
IMMEDIATELY ABANDON THE PROPERTY
IMPACTING RENTERS AND ADDING
STRESS TO REGIONAL HOUSING
NEEDS. SB 10 78 AVOIDS THIS BY
PROVIDING THE STATE WITH AN
INVALUABLE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN
AHEAD WITHIN A PRE DISASTER
CONTEXT AND ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO
REMAIN IN THEIR HOME UNTIL IT IS
NO LONGER HABITABLE. BALANCING
TIME FOR PREPARATION WITH THE
CRITICAL NEED FOR HOUSING. THIS
IS A GROUND BREAKING ADAPTATION
SOLUTION ALIGNED WITH STATEWIDE
SEA LEVEL RISE POLICY AND THE
BEST AVAILABLE SCIENCE. WE HAVE
A SHORT WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO
INVEST IN INNOVATIVE SEA LEVEL
RISE POLICY. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO
WAIT TO ACT BUT THE SLOW MOVING
AND PREDICTABLE NATURE OF SEA
LEVEL RISE CREATES AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET AHEAD
OF THE CURVE TODAY. CONTROLLER
HE RESPECTFULLY URGES AN AYE.
VOTE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. LUCAS
FOR EXAMPLE, HALF THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY HERE IN SUPPORT OF
SB 10 78 A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS.
I THINK, OF COURSE, CALIFORNIA
MUST ACT NOW TO PROTECT OUR
COASTAL COMMUNITIES FROM CLIMATE
CHANGE AND SB 10 78, I THINK
DEMONSTRATES A NEW APPROACH TO
ADDRESS THE L ARISE.
ADDITIONALLY THOUGH, I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN
RESPONSE TO THE VETO MESSAGE OF
LAST YEAR'S BILL, SB 10 78
REALLY DOES PIVOT FROM SB 83 OF
LAST YEAR BY MAKING THE PROGRAM
SPECIFIC TO MARGINALIZED
COMMUNITIES IN SENATOR ALLEN HAS
EXPLICITLY MADE THE PROPOSED
REVOLVING FUND, A PILOT PROGRAM
, ADDITIONALLY, TYING IT TO THE
EXISTING COASTAL LAND USE
PLANNING REQUIRED OF L. C. P S
AND THE BLIND THE PILOT WITH THE
EQUITY GOALS OF THE STATEWIDE
SEA LEVEL RISE LEADERSHIP TEAM,
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED I VOTE
ON SB 10 78. HEY DO WE HAVE ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. ELENA ORTIZ ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA STATE PARKS,
FOUNDATION AND SUPPORT THANKS
ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? IN THE ROOM. SEE
NONE. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BOERNER HORVATH
YES, I WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR
FOR BRINGING FORWARD THE SPELL.
I'M THE SELECT COMMITTEE, CHAIR
OF SEA LEVEL RISE IN THE
CALIFORNIA ECONOMY, AND
EVERYTHING THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN
TESTIMONY IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. WE
HAVE COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE
STATE THAT ARE IN UM, REAL
JEOPARDY OF NOT HAVING THEIR
HOMES BE ABOVE WATER BETWEEN SEA
LEVEL RISE AND THE GROUNDWATER
WHITES THAT IN N. SUSAN AND THEY
ARE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND
I THINK YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU
THINK OF BEACH COMMUNITIES BEING
VERY AFFLUENT, AND THAT'S NOT
ALWAYS THE CASE AND IN MY
DISTRICT, OUR LOWEST INCOME
COMMUNITIES ARE OFTEN DIRECTLY
ON THE COAST IN THE AREA WHERE
THERE'S IMPACT FROM SEA LEVEL
RISE SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU
BRING THIS FORWARD AND CONTINUE
TO WORK ON IT. I WOULD LOVE TO
BE ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR. MR
MURATSUCHI. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO
BE ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR WITH
THEIR PERMISSION. THANK YOU.
REMEMBER WHAT SAME THING. OKAY,
BUT THEY SAID OKAY. QUÊ EVER.
OH, AUTHORS. YOU HAVE A MOTION
AND A SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE, JUST APPRECIATE
APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS
APPRECIATE THE TESTIMONY.
RESPECT FOR ANSWERING A VOTE.
GREAT WE HAVE EMOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BOERNER HORVATH
, SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL SECRETARY? THE
MOTION IS DO PASS THROUGH
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS I FLORA.
CERTAINLY NOT VOTING
BOERNER HORVATH. BOERNER HORVATH
I. FRIEDMAN GARCIA. GARCIA, I
MATHIS. NOT VOTING. MCCARTHY
MERITS UCI MURATSUCHI I SEE
ARTO. SEYARTO NO STONE. STONE. I
WOULD WOULD I THANK YOU. BILL
HAS SIX VOTES, BUT WE'LL LEAVE
IT OPEN FOR ADDITIONAL MEMBERS.
SB 54 YOU WANNA DO THAT? ALRIGHT
ALRIGHT. CHICKEN SERVICING. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. WE'LL SEE YOU SOON.
OH, MY GOD.
GALLERIES.
BACK.
WHY DID FORCE. OH, SORRY.
ALREADY. WITH THIS STUFF. THE
STREET LAST YEAR. LORD. PARIS IS
YESTERDAY IN OUR THEY WANTED.
THE STATEMENT.
CHECK YOUR MONEY.
OKAY? 70 WITNESSES AND SHE.
THE SENATE IS STILL IN SESSION,
AND SOME SENATORS ARE GIVING
PERMISSION TO ASSEMBLY MEMBERS
ON THE COMMITTEE TO PRESENT ON
THEIR BEHALF. SO WE HAVE ONE UP
ITEM 10. SB 11 87 BY SENATOR
KAMLAGER, UM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CRISTINA GARCIA WILL PRESENT ON
HER BEHALF. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THIS IS ITEM 10. THANK YOU. SB
11 87 BY SENATOR KAMLAGER
REQUIRES THE DEPARTMENT OF
RECYCLING AND RECOVERY. TO
ESTABLISH A PILOT PROJECT IN L.
A AND VENTURA COUNTIES IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH GARMENT
MANUFACTURERS TO STUDY THE
FEASIBILITY OF DEVELOPING A
CIRCULAR ECONOMY FOR FABRIC, AND
THE AUTHOR IS ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS WITH THAT I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE.
THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT?
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MCKINLEY,
THOMPSON MORLEY AND ON BEHALF OF
GAP INC. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
OF SB 11 87, WHICH WOULD CREATE
A CIRCULAR FASHION PILOT PROGRAM
IN L. A AND VENTURA COUNTIES.
CAP INC WE RECOGNIZE IT TO
CREATE MORE SUSTAINABLE FASHION.
THE INDUSTRY MUST ADDRESS THE
FULL LIFE CYCLE OF OUR GARMENTS
FROM RAW MATERIAL TO END LIFE
AND BACK AGAIN. WE'RE WORKING TO
INCREASE THE USE OF SAFE,
RENEWABLE AND RECYCLED
MATERIALS. AND SUPPORT.
AND SOME IT INTERACTIVELY
WORKING TOWARDS THE GOAL OF
ACHIEVING 45% RECYCLED POLYESTER
ACROSS OUR PORTFOLIO BY 2025 IN
ADDITION TO OUR OTHER
SUSTAINABILITY GOALS, HOWEVER,
WE KNOW THAT THIS CHALLENGE IS A
MULTIFACETED ONE THAT NO ONE
SINGLE ENTITY CAN SOLVE ALONE.
FOR THIS REASON WE'RE EXCITED TO
SUPPORT SENATOR C LOGGERS,
EFFORTS TO CREATE A PILOT
PROGRAM FOCUSED ON DESIGNING
FABRIC RECYCLING STRATEGIES.
COLLECTING AND RESELLING USED
GARMENTS AND PROMOTING THE USE
OF RECYCLED POST CONSUMER
TEXTILE FIBERS. WE ARE EXCITED
FOR THIS PILOT TO HELP INFORM
NOT ONLY HOW TO CREATE A TEXTILE
RECYCLING PROGRAM IN THE STATE.
ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT SCALABLE,
SUSTAINABLE AND LONG LASTING. WE
WANT TO THANK SENATOR KAMLAGER
FOR INTRODUCING THIS BILL, AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE
ON SB 11 87. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. NEXT WITNESS. GOOD
AFTERNOON COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
DR JOANNE BRUSH. I HAVE A PHD IN
TEXTILE ECONOMICS. AND TODAY I'M
HERE REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
PRODUCT STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL WERE
NONPROFIT WITH THE MISSION OF
GETTING THE INDUSTRY TO WORK
COLLABORATIVELY. TO ADDRESSING
SOME OF OUR WASTE ISSUES.
TEXTILES HAS BEEN ON OUR RADAR
FOR SOME TIME, AND AS THE
ANALYSIS MENTIONED, WE ARE
SUBCONTRACTING ON SEVERAL PILOT
PROJECTS THAT ARE LOCALLY FUNDED
BY THE CITY AND COUNTY OF LOS
ANGELES. AS WELL AS SOME BAY
AREA JURISDICTIONS AS WELL. WE
KNOW FIRSTHAND. TEXTILES IS A
GROWING PROBLEM, AND IT IS A
COST BURDEN THAT IS ON THE
BUSINESSES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A
PERMANENT PROGRAM. THIS BILL
TODAY HAS HAD UNANIMOUS SUPPORT
EVERY STEP OF THE WAY AND WE'RE
REALLY EXCITED TO SHARE THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE STATE
INVOLVED IN ESTABLISHING A PILOT
PROGRAM SO WE CAN FIND OUT SOME
OF THE MISSING PIECES OF
INFORMATION. THAT WE NEED FOR A
PERMANENT PROGRAM. WITH THAT? I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE
THERE ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT? GOOD AFTERNOON,
NICOLE KOREAN WITH CALIFORNIA
AGAINST WASTE AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. MELISSA ROMERO WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
IN SUPPORT. DO WE HAVE WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION? SEE NONE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? YOU SEE NONE.
WE SHE'S.SHE UM MISS GARCIA.
SHE IS ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENTS
. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK
YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM
ASSEMBLY MEMBER WOULD SECONDED
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BOERNER HORVATH. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
MY VOTE. THANK YOU, SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. REBUS I, FLORA
FLORA, I BOERNER HORVATH
BOERNER HORVATH I. FRIEDMAN
GARCIA. I GARCIA I. MATHIS
MATHIS MCCARTY MURATSUCHI
ITSUKI. I SAY ARTO STONE. WOULD
WOULD I? THAT BILL HAS SEVEN
VOTES WILL LEAVE THAT OPEN FOR
ADDITIONAL MEMBERS TO ADD ON
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
CAN I PRESENT SB 10 46 ITEMS.
EIGHT SO YOU WILL BE PRESENTING
ITEM EIGHT AND NINE. CORRECT FOR
SENATOR EDMUND WILL START WITH
ITEM EIGHT. SB 10 46 BY SENATOR
EGGMAN. THANK YOU. SORRY, MY
NOTES. ARLINGTON WILL FIND IT.
ITEM EIGHT.
OKAY? SB 10 46 6 BY SENATOR
EGGMAN PROHIBITS STORES ON
DISTRIBUTING PRE CHECK OUR BAGS
THAT DID NOT MEET C
POSSIBILITY AND RESPECTABILITY
REQUIREMENTS. THESE BAGS TEND TO
GET THROWN OUT WITH FRUIT,
VEGETABLES AND MEAT, WHICH
CONTAMINATES THE WASTE STREAM.
IT'S THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IN
OUR WASTE MANAGEMENT. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE.
THANK YOU. CHAIR REMEMBERS
NICOLE KOREAN REPRESENT
CALIFORNIANS AGAINST WASTE IS A
PROUD SPONSOR OF SB 10 46. IN
CALIFORNIA. MANY OF THE PLASTIC
PRODUCE BAGS WE USE FOR OUR
FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES
WHILE SHOPPING IN STORES END UP
IN COMPOST, WASTE STREAMS AND
CONTAMINATES MUNICIPAL COMPOST
FACILITIES. THIS TYPE OF
CONTAMINATION NOT ONLY INCREASES
MICROPLASTICS AND COMPOST, BUT
ALSO LEADS TO INCREASED HANDLING
COSTS AND HIGHER RATES FOR
CONSUMERS. AS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
BEGIN IMPLEMENTING SP 13 83. IT
IS CRITICAL THAT WE WORK TO
ENSURE THAT OUR WASTE STREAMS
ARE AS CLEAN AND UNCONTAMINATED
AS POSSIBLE. SB 10 46 EXPANDS ON
CALIFORNIA'S LANDMARK PLASTIC
BAN BILL, WHICH LED TO A
DRAMATIC 72% DROP IN GROCERY BAG
LETTER WITHIN THE STATE. THIS
BILL WILL REQUIRE PRE CHECK OUT
PRODUCE BAGS TO BE COMPOSTABLE,
REUSABLE OR RECYCLABLE AND
ESTABLISHES STANDARDS FOR PRE
CHECKOUT PROCESS PRODUCE BAGS TO
MAKE IT EASIER FOR CONSUMERS TO
REUSE THESE BAGS AS BIN LINERS
FOR THEIR COMPOST. BINS ON
COUNTERTOPS IN THEIR HOMES.
STUDIES HAVE REPEATEDLY SHOWN
THAT PARTICIPATION IN CURBSIDE
ORGANICS COLLECTION INCREASES
AND CONTAMINATION AND COMPOST
WASTE STREAM DECREASES WHEN
CONSUMERS HAVE CONVENED ACCESS
TO THESE COMPOSTABLE BAGS. SB 2
70 PROVIDED A CRITICAL STEP
FORWARD IN REMOVING SINGLE WITH
SINGLE USE PLASTIC BAGS FROM OUR
WASTE STREAMS AND REPLACING
SOURCES OF FILM. PLASTIC
POLLUTION CAN BE DONE COST
EFFECTIVELY WHILE SUPPORTING THE
STATE'S ORGANIC WASTE RECYCLING
GOALS BY TRANSITIONING TO
REASONABLE PAPER OR COMPOSTABLE
ALTERNATIVES. SB 10 46 PROVIDES
CALIFORNIA WITH THE OPPORTUNITY
TO TAKE THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IN
REMOVING SINGLE USE PLASTIC FROM
OUR WASTE STREAM. AND THE MOST
RECENT AMENDMENTS TO THIS BILL
ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE BEST
PRACTICES THAT HAVE BEEN
IMPLEMENTED SIMILAR PROGRAMS
BOTH IN OTHER STATES AND AT THE
LOCAL LEVEL. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. NEXT ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON,
VICTORIA'S ROME WITH NATURAL
RESOURCES, DEFENSE COUNCIL AND
SUPPORT. MELISSA ROMERO WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
IN SUPPORT. ALSO, IT WAS ASKED
TO PASS ALONG THE SUPPORT OF
SIERRA CLUB CALIFORNIA. ELENA
ORTIZ ON BEHALF OF RETHINK WASTE
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION?
GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR WOMAN OF US AND MEMBERS,
LATISHA GARCIA WITH THE
CALIFORNIA GROCERIES ASSOCIATION
. UM, APOLOGIES WERE NOT
REFLECTED IN THE IN THE ANALYSIS
, BUT WE DO REMAIN OPPOSED
UNLESS AMENDED. FIRST I WANT TO
START OFF BY THINKING THE AUTHOR
FOR THE DELAYED IMPLEMENTATION
OF THIS BILL. THIS ONE SURE BAGS
ARE AVAILABLE IN THE MARKETPLACE
FOR RETAILERS TO PURCHASE OUR
REMAINING ISSUE. WITH THE BILL
IS THE NEED FOR LOCAL
PREEMPTION. CONSISTENT
CONSISTENCY IS EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT FOR CONSUMERS AND
RETAILERS. PATCHWORK POLICIES AT
THE LOCAL LEVEL WILL CREATE
CONFUSION AMONG CONSUMERS RAISE
COSTS FOR OUR GROCERIES. AND
COULD CREATE HEALTH AND SAFETY
ISSUES. IF LOCAL PREEMPTION IS
TO BE ADDED TO THE BILL, IT
SHOULD NOT BE POSTPONED. IT
SHOULD NOT BE POST
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS BILL.
THIS. THIS WILL GIVE LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS A COUPLE YEARS TO
COME UP WITH THEIR OWN POLICIES
AND WILL BECOME TROUBLESOME FOR
CONSUMER AND GROCERY RETAILERS.
WE ASK THAT THE LOCAL PREEMPTION
PEACE BE IMPLEMENTED AT THE
START DATE OF 2023. FOR THESE
REASONS, CJ REMAINS OPPOSED
UNLESS AMENDED. SB 10 46 THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION IN THE
HEARING ROOM. OKAY. SEE NONE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI. YES
I WAS JUST CURIOUS. UH, MAYBE
FOR THE GROCERIES ASSOCIATION.
ARE THERE, UM OTHER STATES THAT
HAVE ADOPTED THIS APPROACH? I
BELIEVE NOT STATEWIDE, WE WOULD
FULLY WE WOULD BE THE FIRST
ONES. UH HUH. BUT THERE ARE
OTHER REGIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY
THAT THAT I'VE TAKING THIS
APPROACH. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I
BELIEVE JUST WITHIN LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS. THERE ARE, UM,
BOTH IN CALIFORNIA. THERE HAVE
BEEN PRE CHECK OUT BACK POLICIES
ADOPTED, OKAY? MAYBE I SHOULD
DRAG MY QUESTION TO THE
CALIFORNIANS AGAINST WASTE.
SORRY CAN YOU REPEAT THAT?
PLEASE ALRIGHT. ARE THERE OTHER
STATES OR LOCAL? AREAS THAT HAVE
ADOPTED. THIS APPROACH, SO THIS
BILL IS ACTUALLY BASED ON A
COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF
LEGISLATION THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT
, UM IN SAN FRANCISCO. THEY
PASSED AN ORDINANCE A FEW YEARS
AGO THAT WAS BASICALLY THE SAME
THING. UM, PROHIBITING. PRODUCE
BAGS FROM BEING DISTRIBUTED
UNLESS THEY WERE COMPOSTABLE,
REUSABLE, RECYCLABLE AND
ACTUALLY THE STANDARDS IN THE
BILL, INCLUDING THE 15 INCH WIDE
MOUTH AND THE COMPOST ABILITY
PARTS ARE BASED ON ON THAT
ORDINANCE. ADDITIONALLY, UH,
WASHINGTON LEGISLATURE PASSED A
BILL WITH COMPOSTABLE BAGS AND
REQUIRED THAT THE COMPOST OF
ALTERNATIVES TO BE DISTINGUISHED
FROM REGULAR PLASTIC BAGS MEET
CERTAIN LABELING STANDARDS. AND
SO WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THAT IN THE
BILL AS WELL TO REDUCE CONSUMER
CONFUSION. SO I WAS ACTUALLY
JUST RECENTLY AND SEATTLE AND,
UH AND I THINK I SAW COMPOSTABLE
BAG DOES IT LOOK VERY SIMILAR
PLASTIC COMPOSTABLE BAG LOOKS
LIKE A PLASTIC BAG, EXCEPT FOR
IT'S REQUIRED TO BE LABELED A
CERTAIN HUESO, USUALLY WITH THE
WORDS COMPOSTABLE OR AT USES
GREEN TINTING. IF YOU'VE BEEN TO
TRADER JOE'S, YOU CAN SEE THOSE
BAGS. THOSE BAGS ARE COMPOSTABLE
CURRENT GROCERY STORES. CERTAIN
CHAINS DO ALREADY HAVE THESE
BAGS. AND IS THERE A DIFFERENT
ESTIMATE IN TERMS OF THE COST?
THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN
YOUR REGULAR PLASTIC BAG VERSUS
UH HE'S COMPOSTABLE BAGS, SO I'M
NOT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT
THE COST MIGHT BE. BUT WE HAVE,
UM, YOU KNOW, IN IN IN PUTTING
TOGETHER THIS BILL TALKED TO THE
AH THE MANUFACTURERS OF THE
COMPOSTABLE PLASTIC AND THE
MANUFACTURERS OF THE ACTUAL BAG
. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT COMPANIES
, AND THEY HAVE ACTUALLY SAID
THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE TO
MANUFACTURER THESE BAGS AND
DISTRIBUTE THEM WIDELY WITHOUT A
HUGE INCREASE IN COST IN THE
FUTURE, SO THE IMPLEMENTATION
DATE WOULD BE IN 2025. BUT THE
GROCERS ASSOCIATION AGREE WITH
THAT. YES WE DO. THERE ARE
CURRENT, UH, COMPOSTABLE BAGS
AVAILABLE. WE THINK WITH A
DELAYED IMPLEMENTATION DATE,
WHICH WE APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR
WORKING WITH US THAT WILL GIVE
THAT ADDED TIMEFRAME TO BE
AVAILABLE FOR THE WHOLE MARKET.
ALRIGHT. SOUNDS GREAT. THANK
YOU. QUÊ ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
K C. NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND
A SECOND. THANK YOU FOR
PRESENTING FOR SENATOR EDMUND,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? YES
MISS EGGMAN IS COMMITTED TO
CONTINUING TO CONTINUE
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OPPOSITION.
BUT SHE DOES FEEL THAT THIS IS
IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE MOVING AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
THINKS WE HAVE A MOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD SECOND
FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BOERNER HORVATH. SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. MOTION IS
DO PASS. GRIEVOUS. OKAY? RIVAS
RIVAS. I FLORA FLORA. NO
BOERNER HORVATH BOERNER HORVATH
I FRIEDMAN GARCIA GARCIA, I
MASSES MASTERS KNOW MCCARTHY
MERITS UCI ITSUKI. I SAY ARTO.
STONE. WOULD WOULD I? THAT BILL
HAS FIVE VOTES, SO REMAIN ON
CALL. THANK THANK YOU. UP NEXT
ITEM NINE. SB 10 65 BY SENATOR
EDMUND ALSO PRESENTED BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA. THANK
YOU. THIS BILL ESTABLISHED AS
THE CALIFORNIA ABANDONED AND
DERELICT COMMERCIAL VESSEL
PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY, PRIORITIZE
AND FUND AS SPECIFIED. THE
REMOVAL OF ABANDONED IN THERE
LIKE COMMERCIAL VESSELS FROM
WATER OF THE STATE. THE BILL
ESTABLISHES CALIFORNIA, THE
CALIFORNIA ABANDONED AND EARLY
COMMERCIAL VESSEL. FROM CORN,
ANY COUNCIL TO OVERSEE AND
PROVIDE POLICY DIRECTION FOR THE
PROGRAM. THE BILL GENERALLY
PROHIBITS A COMMERCIAL VESSEL
THAT IS AT RISK OF BECOMING
THEIR ELECT FROM OCCUPYING,
ANCHORING MAUREEN OR OTHERWISE
BEING SECURED IN OR ON WATERS OF
THE STATE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR THAT AND I VOTE. THIS BILL
HAS NO OPPOSITION ON FILE. THANK
YOU. ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT? NICOLE CORINNE WITH
CALIFORNIANS AGAINST WASTE AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MARILYN
COOPER, WITH NIELSEN MARKS MORE
ON BEHALF OF YOLO COUNTY AND
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS CON HOLLY BEHALF
OF THE PORTAL WEST SACRAMENTO IN
THE CITY OF LONG BEACH IN
SUPPORT. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
POLIO AND WE HAVE THE SANDWICH,
KING COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
IN SUPPORT. ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION? SEE
NONE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS. OKAY I
DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE A MOTION
AND A SECOND. DO I OKAY, WELL,
OH, IT WAS ALREADY OH, I'M SO
SORRY. OKAY SO WE HAVE A MOTION
AND A SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY? ASPIRIN? I
VOTE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR
MATHIS. SECOND BY MR MURATSUCHI
. THIS IS ITEM NINE. SB 10 65 BY
SENATOR EDMUND. MOTION IS PASSED
AS AMENDED TO JUDICIARY. RIVAS
RIVAS. I FLORA. FLORA I
BOERNER HORVATH BOERNER HORVATH
I FRIEDMAN GARCIA GARCIA, I
MATHIS MATHIS. I'M MCCARTY
MERITS UCHI UCHI, I SAY ARTO
STONE. STONE. I WOULD WOULD I?
BILL HAS EIGHT VOTES, BUT WE'LL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR MISSING
MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR
PRESENTING OKAY, WE THANK YOU
FOR YOUR PATIENTS WERE TRYING TO
GET PERMISSION FROM SENATORS TO
PRESENT ONE WOULD BE 11 Ì23 BACK
LARA. WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? OR
OKAY, NEXT, WE WILL HAVE ITEM
FOUR SB 11 23 BY SENATOR
CABALLERO PRESENTED BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA. AND I
WILL KEEP THIS VERY SHORT. THANK
YOU, MADAM. SECOND PERFECT. I
RESPECTFULLY ASPIRIN. I VOTE AND
I DO HAVE MS MCDONALD HERE TO
ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS
YOU MIGHT HAVE. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS INDIRA
MCDONALD WITH THE OFFICE OF
STATE CONTROLLER BETTY YEE.
CONTROLLER. USE PLEASE TO
SPONSOR SB 11 23 TO SUPPORT
COMMUNITIES IN THEIR EFFORT TO
BE MORE CLIMATE RESILIENT. AND
HELP THE STATE PRIORITIZE ITS
INVESTMENTS IN THESE COMMUNITIES
. CALIFORNIANS ARE ALREADY
SUFFERING THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE
CHANGE IN THE COMING YEARS WILL
BE WORSE. THE STATE HAS RISEN TO
THE CHALLENGE OF SUPPORTING
COMMUNITIES THROUGH A WIDE
VARIETY OF FUNDING, INCLUDING
300 MILLION COMMITMENT TO
ADDRESS THE GREATEST RISK OF
EXTREME HEAT 500 MILLION
COMMITMENT FOR COASTAL
RESILIENCE, BILLIONS IN SUPPORT
OF DROUGHT RESILIENCE, INCLUDING
PROGRAMS TO HELP COMMUNITIES
PLAN FOR AND ADDRESS WATER
SCARCITY. CAPACITY BUILDING
FUNDS THROUGH THE REGIONAL
CLIMATE RESILIENCE PROGRAM AND
OTHERS. THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AS
APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATURE
COMMITS ANOTHER 4.3 BILLION IN
MITIGATION AND RESILIENCE FUNDS.
THIS BILL AIMS TO STRENGTHEN
THESE EFFORTS BY SUPPORTING
GREATER ACCESS TO THESE PROGRAMS
AND IMPROVING TRANSPARENCY AND
EFFECTIVENESS. IT DOES SO IN TWO
WAYS FIRST TODAY AIMS TO PROVIDE
A GREATER ACCESS TO THE WIDE
VARIETY OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE
TO INDIVIDUALS AND COMMUNITIES.
THREE RESILIENCE NAVIGATORS
PROGRAM HOSTED BY THE INTEGRATED
CLIMATE, ADAPTION AND RESILIENCE
PROGRAM. THE PROGRAM WOULD ALSO
CONDUCT OUTREACH TO OUR MOST
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES. SECOND
IT REQUIRES TRANSPARENCY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ALL OF THE
FUNDS BEING SPENT TO SUPPORT
RESILIENCE, DATA AND IMPROVED
COORDINATION ARE CRITICAL IN
HELPING AGENCIES, COMMUNITIES
AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS.
UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE
BEING SPENT, HOW THEY ARE
ADDRESSING THE MOST CRITICAL
NEEDS AND HOW THESE PROGRAMS CAN
BE IMPROVED OVER TIME AS THE
STATE UNDERTAKES ITS AMBITIOUS
EFFORT TO HELP PROTECT
COMMUNITIES FROM THE WORST
IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE. IT IS
IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN
EQUITY AND ACCESS AS KEY
TENANTS. AND THAT WE HAVE
INFORMATION AVAILABLE NOT ONLY
FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT INVESTMENTS ARE BEING MADE
, BUT ALSO FOR OUR OWN AGENCIES
TO ASSESS THE DEPUTIES PROGRAMS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
TESTIFY. THANK YOU ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
SEE NONE. DO WE HAVE WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION? SEE NONE
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THERE ARE
NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE.
THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING WE HAVE
A MOTION FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MATHIS SECOND BY THINK, AYE. OH,
YES. SECOND BY SORRY. A SECOND
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA, I AM
ON THE RIGHT BILL. OUT.
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS I
FLORA FLORA. I BOERNER HORVATH
BOERNER HORVATH I. FRIEDMAN
GARCIA. GARCIA I MATHIS MATTIS.
I MCCARTY MERIT SUKI. SUKI. I
SAY ARTO STONE. STONE. I WOULD
WOULD I? BILL HAS APRIL WE'LL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ADDITIONAL
MEMBERS TO ADD ON ITEMS. WE'RE
READY FOR ITEM SIX.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S STONE WILL
PRESENT ON BEHALF. OF SENATOR
CORTEZ. AFTER THAT, WE WILL MOVE
TO ITEM 11. YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I
WAS GIVEN THIS. I'M NOT SURE
WHAT I DO WITH THIS. I GUESS
I'LL JUST READ FROM IT, SEE IF I
CAN FOCUS ON THIS RATHER THAN MY
SCREEN ITEM SIX S SP 12 97 THANK
YOU ON BEHALF OF SENATOR CORTEZ
E. CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I'M
PLEASED TO PRESENT SB 12 97 TO
ENSURE CALIFORNIA TAKES THE
LEADERSHIP ROLE IN ADVANCING
CLIMATE RESTORATION BY TAKING
STEPS TO MINIMIZE EMBODIED
CARBON AND MAXIMIZED CARBON
SEQUESTRATION IN THE BUILT
ENVIRONMENT. THE THERE ARE
AMENDMENTS IN THE SENATOR IS
TAKING THOSE AMENDMENTS, AND HE
WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE
RURAL COUNTY REPRESENTED AS A
CALIFORNIA ARE. CRC ALERTED HIS
OFFICE. AND I BELIEVE THIS
COMMITTEE EARLIER TO CONFIRM
THAT THEY HAVE REMOVED THEIR
OPPOSITION. I GUESS BASED ON THE
AMENDMENTS, BUT MAY NOT BE HERE
TODAY, SO THIS REQUIRES THE
STATE TO DEVELOP A PLAN AND
RECOMMENDATIONS TO MINIMIZE
EMBODIED CARBON TO MAXIMIZE
CARBON SEQUESTRATION. AND WITH
THAT, ON BEHALF OF SENATOR
CORTEZ, I ASKED FOR YOUR I VOTE.
WE DO HAVE FRANCIS MCCHESNEY
REPRESENTING SO SACRAMENTO
VALLEY CHAPTER OF THE FOUNDATION
FOR CLIMATE RESTORATION, AS WELL
AS RYAN MCCARTHY, REPRESENTING
BLUE PLANET TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT.
PLEASE GO NAMES FRANCIS
MCCHESNEY AND I'M, THE CO CHAIR
OF THE SACRAMENTO VALLEY CHAPTER
OF THE FOUNDATION FOR CLIMATE
RESTORATION, AND WE'RE HERE TO
SUPPORT THE BILL NOW THAT THE
FOUNDATION FOR CLIMATE
RESTORATION IS AN ORGANIZATION
FOCUSED ON RESTORING OUR CLIMATE
TO 300 PARTS PER BILLION CARBON
DIOXIDE BY 2050. WHICH IS WAY
BELOW WHAT IT IS NOW AT 4 15.
AND WE PARTNER WITH INDIVIDUALS.
COMPANIES AND ORGANIZATIONS
WORKING ON IDENTIFYING SOLUTIONS
TO RESTORE OUR CLIMATE. WE
SUPPORT THE BILL BECAUSE WE SEE
THIS AS A SOLUTION THAT CAN HELP
TO RESTORE THE ATMOSPHERE AND
REACH OUR GOAL OF REMOVING
LEGACY CARBON THAT HAS BUILDING
BEEN BUILDING UP SINCE THE
INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. BEGAN
OVER 200 YEARS AGO. SP 12 97
FOCUSES ON MINIMIZING AND BODY
IN CARBON AND MAXIMIZING
SEQUESTER CARBON C 02 AND THE
BUILT ENVIRONMENT. AND CONTINUES
CALIFORNIA'S LEADERSHIP IN
CLIMATE RESTORATION, EMBODYING
CARBON FROM THE BUILT
ENVIRONMENT ACCOUNTS FOR AT
LEAST 11% OF GLOBAL EMISSIONS OF
CARBON DIOXIDE. AND WE HAVE THE
FOUNDATION FOR CLIMATE
RESTORATION. CSB 12 97 AS AN
IMPORTANT CLIMATE RESTORATION
SOLUTION BECAUSE IT WILL ENABLE,
UM. THE REDUCING CARBON IN THE
BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND WILL
ENABLE NEGATIVE NET NEGATIVE
EMISSIONS TO HELP DRAW DOWN
ATMOSPHERIC CARBON DIOXIDE.
SINCE THIS CAN BE DONE SAFELY,
PERMANENTLY AND ECONOMICALLY, WE
SEE THIS AS A CRITICAL STEP IN
MOVING CLOSER TOWARDS RESTORING
THE CLIMATE AND CREATING
STANDARDS FOR THE INDUSTRY, AND
WE URGE YOU TO SUPPORT SB 12 97.
THANK YOU NEXT WITNESS. HELLO
CHAIR RIVAS AND MEMBERS. MY NAME
IS RYAN MCCARTHY. I'M THE
DIRECTOR OF CLIMATE AND CLEAN
ENERGY AND VITAMIN GROUP HERE ON
BEHALF OF BLUE PLANET. SYSTEMS
IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
BLUE PLANET IS THE LOSS. COTTO'S
CALIFORNIA BASED COMPANY,
THEY'RE DEVELOPING A PILOT
PROJECT IN THE BAY AREA. TO
CAPTURE AND SEQUESTER CARBON IN
THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT
UTILIZED CARBON TO MAKE ROCKS,
WHICH ARE THEN PUT INTO
CONCRETE. IN CONCRETE BEING THE
MOST USED BUILDING MATERIAL ON
EARTH PROVIDES A SIGNIFICANT
OPPORTUNITY TO STORE CARBON THAT
IS EITHER CAPTURED FROM SOURCES
TO HELP MITIGATE CLIMATE CHANGE
OR PULLED FROM THE AIR TO BEGIN
TO RESTORE THE CLIMATE AS WE
HEARD WE SEE THIS AS AN
EXCEPTIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO
ADVANCE AND SUPPORT THE STATE'S
CLIMATE GOALS. UM, AND THIS IS
JUST ONE OF THE STRATEGIES THAT
CAN BE DEPLOYED IN OUR BUILT
ENVIRONMENT. SO WE'RE EXCITED BY
THIS BILL. WE THINK IT WILL.
HELP USHER THIS CONVERSATION
ALONG. WE THINK IT'S AN
IMPORTANT ONE. AND WE STRONGLY
URGE YOU I VOTE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT? MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS, MIKE MONEGAN ON
BEHALF OF THE STATE BUILDING
TRADES AND SUPPORT. MA'AM
CHEROKEE'S DONE ON BEHALF OF THE
DISTRICT COUNCIL OF IRONWORKERS
HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE
SOLUTION. MADAM CHAIR LUCAS
FRERICHS ON BEHALF OF THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, RUTH MCDONALD,
3, 50, SACRAMENTO AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION? SEEN
AN ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM THE COMMITTEE. SEE NONE.
YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE MY VOTE
ON BEHALF OF SENATOR CORTEZ?
THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING ON
SENATOR CORTEZ IS BEHALF. WE
HAVE A MOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS, SECOND
BY BOERNER HORVATH. SECRETARY
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS BY FLORA.
OR NOT VOTING BOERNER HORVATH.
BOERNER HORVATH I. FRIEDMAN
GARCIA GARCIA. I MATHIS. MATHIS
MCCARTHY MERITS UCHI UCHI, I SAY
ARTO STONE STONE. I WOULD WOULD
I? THAT BILL HAS SEVEN VOTES
WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
ADDITIONAL MEMBERS TO ADD ON
THANK YOU. OKAY NEXT, WE WILL BE
MOVING TO ITEM 11. AND AFTER
THAT ITEM, 16. THOSE ARE THE
BILLS WHERE SENATORS HAVE GIVEN
PERMISSION TO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
TO PRESENT ON THEIR BEHALF. ITEM
11. SB 13 91 BY SENATOR KAMLAGER
PRESENTED BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BOERNER HORVATH. GOOD AFTERNOON
, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS I'M
PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF SENATOR
CÂM LONGER. SB 13 91. 13 91
WOULD CREATE A REASONABLE,
PREDICTABLE AND MUCH NEEDED
PROCESS FOR REVIEWING
CALIFORNIA'S CAP AND TRADE
PROGRAM FOR CLIMATE POLLUTION,
AND HAS BEENWIDELY REPORTED
THAT THE AIR RESOURCES BOARD
CONTINUES TO RELY HEAVILY. ON
THIS POLICY WHILE DISMISSING
SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT ITS
PERFORMANCE THAT COME FROM THE
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S OFFICE,
INDEPENDENT ACADEMICS AND
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ADVOCATES
. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW
CALIFORNIA NEEDS TO DO MORE TO
ME TO CLIMATE TARGETS. AND
THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I WANT TO
TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
IT MEANS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE
NEAR THE OIL REFINERIES LOCATED
THROUGHOUT LOS ANGELES AREA WE
KNOW FROM RECENT LEGISLATIVE
OVERSIGHT HEARINGS AND EXPERT
ADVISORY PORTS. CALIFORNIA'S CAP
AND TRADE PROGRAM HAS TOO MANY
ALLOWANCES AND CARBON OFFSETS
THAT IT'S TOO EASY FOR BIG
PLLUTERS TO CONTINUE BUSINESS
AS USUAL, USUAL MANY OF THESE
OFFSETS AREN'T DELIVERING THE
CLIMATE BENEFITS. WHAT THAT
MEANS ON THE GROUND IS THAT A
LOS ANGELES TIMES COVER STORY
FROM LAST FALL REMINDS US IS
THAT YOUNG KIDS LIVING NEARBY
NEAR REFINERIES GET ASTHMA. MORE
OFTEN, THEIR FAMILIES TAKE THEM
TO THE EMERGENCY ROOMS MORE
OFTEN. THE CONSEQUENCES OF AIR
POLLUTION FROM FACILITIES
SUBJECT TO CAP AND TRADE
CONTINUES TO FALL
DISPROPORTIONATELY ON
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. SENATOR
COLUMN LOGGERS BILL WOULD HELP
ADDRESS THESE INJUSTICES.
SPECIFICALLY IT WOULD SET UP A
REGULAR PUBLIC PROCESS FOR
REVIEWING THE CAP AND TRADE
PROGRAM, MAKING THIS REVIEW
AUTOMATIC AND PREDICTABLE WILL
HELP ENSURE PREDICTABILITY AND
CONSISTENCY WITH STATUTORY
REQUIREMENTS. IT ALSO LEAVES THE
DECISION UP TO THE AIR RESOURCES
BOARD, WHICH MUST RESPOND TO
PUBLIC STAKEHOLDER INPUT. SOME
OF YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT
WASHINGTON LEGISLATORS CAREFULLY
STUDIED OUR EXPERIENCE WITH CAP
AND TRADE AND MADE IMPROVEMENTS
TO RESPOND TO THE CONCERN THAT
I'VE SHARED TODAY. SENATOR CALM
LOGGERS BILL SB 13 91, BUT ALSO
ASKED THE AIR RESOURCES BOARD TO
BRING THE LESSONS WASHINGTON
LEARNED FROM CALIFORNIA BACK TO
CALIFORNIA. SHOULDN'T WE IN
CALIFORNIA WOULD BE JUST AS
WILLING TO PROTECT PEOPLE LIVING
IN DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES
HERE WITH ME TODAY IS IN
SUPPORTERS. DANNY COLIN WARD,
THE POLICY DIRECTOR AT CARBON
PLANET, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THANK YOU. CHAIR RIVAS
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS DANNY COLIN WARD. I'M
THE VICE CHAIR OF THE
INDEPENDENT EMISSIONS MARKET
ADVISORY COMMITTEE. ALTHOUGH I
WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT I'M
SPEAKING TODAY IN MY PERSONAL
CAPACITY AND NOT ON BEHALF OF
THE COMMITTEE. ECHO THE
MATERIALS SHARED WITH YOU. JUST
NOW. SP 13 91 WOULD CREATE A
PROCESS FOR REVIEWING THE
STATE'S MOST IMPORTANT CLIMATE
POLICY PROGRAM. THERE HAS BEEN
NO SUCH REVIEW OF THAT PROGRAM
IN SEVERAL YEARS. IT IS LIKELY
TO BE UPWARDS OF SIX YEARS IF
THE REGULATORS ANTICIPATED
TIMEFRAME IS FOLLOWED THROUGH
UPON SO THE IDEA OF CREATING A
REGULAR PROCESS FOR REVIEWING
THE PROGRAM IN RELATION TO
STATUTORY CRITERIA. IS AN
IMPORTANT AND MUCH NEEDED CHANGE
. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS
OF THIS BILL IS THAT IT WOULD
REQUIRE THE REGULATOR TO LOOK AT
EXISTING LAW. IT WOULD NOT
CHANGE THE STATUTORY
REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT THE BILL
IS ASKING THE REGULATOR TO LOOK
AT. IT WOULD ALSO ASK THE
REGULATOR TO LOOK AT A NUMBER OF
PROGRAM IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE
BEEN ADOPTED AROUND THE WORLD.
AND SO I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. I'M NEXT,
ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT? HI RAQUEL MASON ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ALLIANCE
AND ASIAN PACIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL
NETWORK. THANK YOU. HI DAN RESTS
ON BEHALF OF THE CENTER AND
RACE, POVERTY AND THE
ENVIRONMENT AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. NEXT ARE THERE WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION.
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
MICHAEL SKVARLA. I'M HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA COUNCIL
FOR ENVIRONMENTAL NON BALANCE
WHERE BUSINESS LABOR
ORGANIZATION. SEEKING TO PROMOTE
THE ACHIEVING OUR ENVIRONMENTAL
GOALS WHILE SUSTAINING OUR
ECONOMY, UH, WERE OPPOSED TO
THIS BILL. IT'S ANOTHER ATTACK,
AND PATRICIA CONTINUED KIND OF
POLITICAL ACTIVITY AROUND. CAP
AND TRADE TO UNDERMINE THE DEAL
OF 83 98 FROM 2017 THAT WAS
PASSED WITH TWO THIRDS MAJORITY.
OF THIS LEGISLATURE. THERE ARE
COMMENTS TODAY THAT I KIND OF
WANT TO DRESS, UH, DISCUSSING
WASHINGTON'S LESSONS LEARNED. WE
HAVEN'T SEEN THE ACTIVITIES OF
THE WASHINGTON PROGRAM YET. WE
HAVEN'T SEEN A SINGLE AUCTION.
BUT LOOKING AT THEIR EMISSIONS
INVENTORY, THE ONLY EMISSIONS
THEY'VE EVER REDUCED. IT WAS
DURING THE ENRON CRISIS WHEN
THEY'RE LOST THEIR ALUMINUM
SMELTING FACILITIES. THAT'S NOT
HOW WE WANT TO DO THINGS IN
CALIFORNIA AND LEADERSHIP HAS
NOT FOLLOWING STATES AND OTHER
JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVEN'T
EXPERIENCED THE LESSONS THAT
WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH THE DECADE
PLUS OF BUILDING THIS PROGRAM.
WHEN WE MADE THIS DEAL, WE ALSO
ADDED ADDITIONAL REVIEWS AND
OVERSIGHT, INCLUDING THE I M
ACT, WHICH DR COLIN WARD SITS
ON. THE IMAC AND FOUR ADDITIONAL
LEGISLATIVE APPOINTEES TO THE
AIR RESOURCES BOARD PROVIDE
ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE
THAT THESE QUESTIONS ARE
ANSWERED IF POSED. NOW OVER
ALLOCATION COMES UP ON A FAIRLY
REGULAR BASIS, AND IT'S AKIN TO
SAYING IF I'VE GOT $100 BILL AND
I HAVE $105 IN THE BANK ACCOUNT,
I'M OVER BUDGETED SURE, I'VE GOT
FIVE EXTRA DOLLARS. BUT WHEN YOU
WANT THAT FOR SECURITY AND
SAFETY TO ENSURE THAT THE
ECONOMICS OF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA CONTINUED ON THIS
PATH, WE EMPATHIZE WITH THE
CONCERNS OF AIR QUALITY. IN
THESE COMMUNITIES. HOWEVER
CLIMATE CHANGE GASSES DO NOT
CAUSE ASTHMA OR CANCER. SO WE'VE
GOT TO REGULATE AT THE RIGHT
POINT OF REGULATION THROUGH THE
RIGHT STATUTES AND WRITE CODES,
AND TO THAT END, WE REMAIN
OPPOSED AND URGE A NO VOTE.
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS BETH ALLAH SO ON BEHALF
OF THE AGRICULTURAL ENERGY
CONSUMERS ASSOCIATION AND
OPPOSITION, THANK YOU. AND I'M
SURE JOHN BLUE ON BEHALF OF THE
INTERNATIONAL EMISSIONS TRADING
ASSOCIATION, ALSO IN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR MEMBER OF
THE COMMITTEE, JEREMY SMITH HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE STATE BUILDING
AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL,
ALSO A POST GOOD AFTERNOON SACK
LARRY ON BEHALF OF THE WESTERN
STATES PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS DEAN
TALLY ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURERS AND TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS CAL
MEMBER AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS SCOTT WEST ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRICAL
WORKERS TO CALIFORNIA STATE
PATRIOTS COUNCIL IN THE WESTERN
STATES. COUNCIL SHEET METAL
WORKERS IN OPPOSITION. THANK.
CHAIR AND MEMBER SHAWN VALENTINE
FROM THE CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT
PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS
? ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI.
THIS IS A GREAT BILL. I WISH I
HAD THOUGHT OF IT. UM DR KHAN
AWARD, COULD YOU RESPOND TO THE. THE COMMENT MADE ABOUT HOW
THIS WOULD BE LIKE HAVING FIVE
BUCKS EXTRA. HOW THIS MAY OR MAY
NOT BE APPROPRIATE ANALOGY FOR
MEETING OUR CLIMATE GOALS
THROUGH CAP AND TRADE. YES MR
MURATSUCHI. THIS IS A REFERRING
TO THIS TECHNICAL QUESTION OF
WHAT'S CALLED ALLOWANCE OVER
ALLOCATION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE
ITEMS IN THE BILL THAT THE
REGULATOR WOULD BE REQUIRED TO
PERIODICALLY REVIEW AND TO GIVE
SOME CONTEXT. THIS IS VERY
TECHNICAL, BUT THE NUMBER OF
SURPLUS ALLOWANCES THAT WERE
BANKED FROM THE BEGINNING EIGHT
YEARS OF THE PROGRAM. IS GREATER
, SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN THE
TOTAL REDUCTIONS. THE REGULATOR
PLAN FROM THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IN
THE 20 TWENTIES. SO THE IDEA
THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $5
EXTRA IN THE BUDGET OF 100 IS
WRONG. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
BUDGETING, SAY 200, OR MORE
DOLLARS WHEN YOU NEED 100
DISCREPANCY IS MUCH LARGER. AND
MULTIPLE REPORTS, INCLUDING FROM
MY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HAVE
SUGGESTED THAT THIS RAISES
SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
ABILITY OF THE PROGRAM TO
DELIVER ON THE STATUTORY GOALS.
I CAN APPRECIATE THAT THE SCALE
OF THE NUMBERS THAT THAT YOU'RE
GIVING US A SENSE OF, BUT ALSO I
MEAN, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT HOW
THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING YOU
KNOW THE CONCERN ABOUT HAVING
TOO MANY ALLOWANCES OUT THERE IS
THAT IT WOULD UNDERMINE OUR OUR
EFFORTS TO REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS. YES MR MURATSUCHI
. IF THERE ARE TOO MANY
ALLOWANCES, THE PROGRAM WILL BE
UNABLE TO CONTAIN EMISSIONS IN
LINE WITH STATUTORY GOALS. THIS
IS A QUESTION WE'VE BEEN
DISCUSSING FOR MANY YEARS AND
AGAIN, ONE OF THE REASONS TO
HAVE A REGULAR PROCESS FOR
REVIEWING THIS IS TO CREATE
STABLE EXPECTATIONS AROUND WITH
THAT GOAL IS SO THAT THERE'S
MORE SHARED CONSENSUS ON WHAT
THE FACTS ARE. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
FLORA. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
WHEN CAP AND TRADE ORIGINALLY
CAME THROUGH THIS HOUSE, AND I
APOLOGIZE. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE
AUTHOR. SO UM, I WASN'T ALSO
HERE IN THE LEGISLATURE. I KNOW
THERE WAS A FEW OF US THAT SPEND
A LOT OF TIME ON CAP AND TRADE,
AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME FROM
A AN AG PERSPECTIVE, MAKING SURE
THAT THE COMMUNITY RURAL CENTRAL
VALLEY OF CALIFORNIA WAS TAKEN
CARE OF, AND SO I DO GET REALLY,
REALLY SQUEAMISH WHEN WE START
TALKING ABOUT REALLOCATION OF
FUNDS BECAUSE CAP AND TRADE FOR
ENGINE REPLACEMENT REPLACEMENT
PROGRAMS. SOME OF THOSE
DIFFERENT PROGRAMS CARL MORE
THAT WE'RE FUNDING THROUGH THESE
DOLLARS LIKE HAVE BEEN ONE OF
THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS
CARP HAS EVER PUT TOGETHER. AND
IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING TO THE
AD COMMUNITY IF THOSE PROGRAMS
GOT STRIPPED FINANCIALLY, AND SO
I JUST I HAVE TO BE IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS TODAY, AND I
APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT I JUST I
AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. UM
PROGRAM WORKS. SOME OF US TOOK A
LOT OF ARROWS ON THE REPUBLICAN
SIDE FOR SUPPORTING IT. AND SO
WE DO GET A LITTLE CONCERNED. WE
START TALKING ABOUT REALLOCATION
OF FUNDS. THANK YOU. MADAM
CHAIR. WELL BEFORE I GET GOING,
I IF WE COULD HAVE THE
OPPOSITION KIND OF RESPOND TO MR
MURATSUCHI IS QUESTION AND WEIGH
IN ON THE TECHNICALITY. SIDE OF
CLARIFY I'D APPRECIATE THAT.
WOULD YOU LIKE A RESPONSE TO
THAT? I WOULD OKAY? PLEASE. I
THINK THEY COULD CLARIFY A
LITTLE MORE IN DEBT. YEAH, THANK
YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. IS DR
COLIN. WORD MENTIONED. IT IS A
VERY TECHNICAL CONVERSATION AND
DEBATE HIM AND SOME OF HIS
COLLEAGUES HAVE CITED EACH OTHER
IN A NUMBER OF REPORTS. AND
CREATED A RECORD AROUND THIS
CONCEPT OF OVER ALLOCATION,
WHICH I THINK FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE. THAT SOUNDS SCARY. AIR B
HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR
THE PROGRAM. WE'VE REMOVED 90
MILLION METRIC TONS
AUTOMATICALLY FROM THE SELF
RATCHETING MECHANISMS THAT WERE
PASSED IN 83 98 IN RECENT YEARS.
PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO DEAL WITH
THIS IF THAT'S THE CASE, BUT
ALSO COMES TO QUESTION DOES THIS
PROGRAM END IN ABSOLUTE ENTIRETY
IN 2030. YES OR NO? OR HAS THE
STATE SET MORE AMBITIOUS GOALS
SUCH AS 25 45 PERMANENT REALITY
GOAL, IN WHICH CASE WE CAN
EASILY ABSORB ANYTHING THAT MAY
BE UM OVER BUDGETED AT THIS
POINT IN TIME THAT BEING SAID
THE AIR B IS UNDERGONE AN ALMOST
TWO YEAR EXTENSIVE SCOPING PLAN
EXERCISE, WHICH WILL HAVE ITS
FIRST BOARD HEARING THIS WEEK.
AND WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT AIR
B WILL REOPEN THE CAP AND TRADE
AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. THE
QUESTIONS THAT THIS BILL ASKED,
AND MR MR SUSIE'S BILL ASKED,
COULD BE DONE IN A SIMPLE LETTER
INSTEAD OF LEGISLATION THAT MAY
CREATE UNCERTAINTY WITHIN THE
MARKET. WE CONTINUE TO
POLITICIZE THIS PROGRAM THAT IS
DELIVERING TONS AT 30 SOMETHING
DOLLARS, WHICH IN 2017 CONCERN
WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE
FLOOR WERE WELL OVER THE FLOOR
PRICE. WE'RE DELIVERING BILLIONS
OF DOLLARS TO CALIFORNIA FOR
THIS LEGISLATURE TO APPROPRIATE.
TO ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU WITH THAT, MADAM
CHAIR. AYE. SHARE A LOT OF THE
SAME CONCERNS WHEN WE WORKED ON
THIS DILL AND FRANKLY AT THE
TIME. UM AND NOW. UM. THERE'S
TWO OF US WHEN WE DID CAP AND
TRADE THAT IT ACTUALLY TAKEN THE
PERSONAL TIME TO GO TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. UM
FEDERALLY, IN PAST THE
LEGISLATIVE ENERGY HORIZON
INSTITUTE. UM. I AM NOW THE ONLY
ONE LEFT. AND I HAVE GREAT
CONCERNS WITH CHANGING THIS
PROGRAM. THIS PROGRAM WAS
DESIGNED TO PROVIDE CAPITAL TO
INDUSTRY TO CREATE IMPROVEMENTS.
INTO GET US TO OUR GOALS. AND
WHEN IT COMES TO THESE THINGS,
AND FRANKLY, I'VE SPOKEN ALL
OVER THE US AND CANADA TALKING
ABOUT CAP AND TRADE SPECIFICALLY
HOW WE DO IT HERE IN CALIFORNIA
BECAUSE WE DO DO IT BETTER THAN
EVERYBODY ELSE. YOU CAN SAY
ORGAN AND SOMEBODY ELSE IN
WASHINGTON AND THESE GUYS ARE
LOOKING AT WHAT WE'VE DONE. BUT
THEY HAVEN'T ROLLED ANYTHING OUT
YET. THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT
WE'RE DOING WHEN I TALK TO
PEOPLE. THEY GO. HOW ARE YOU
ABLE TO SET UP WHERE YOU HAVE
MORE CARROTS THAN STICKS,
BECAUSE WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS
A GOVERNMENT. WE CAN EITHER BEAT
UP INDUSTRY. AND PUNISH THEM OR
WE CAN HELP THEM. MOVE THE BALL
AND GET TO THE GOALS THAT WE
HAVE. WE DESIGNED CAP AND TRADE.
WHAT WE VOTED ON AS A TWO THIRDS
MAJORITY. WHAT WE DESIGNED WAS
TO PROVIDE CARROTS. TO DRIVE THE
ECONOMY TO HELP INDUSTRY MEET
OUR CLIMATE CHANGE GOALS.
FRANKLY WHAT IT'S BECOME, IS A
SLUSH FUND FOR EVERY
ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECT IN THE
STATE. WHICH I ALSO HAVE
CONCERNS ABOUT GOING AND
CHANGING IT. RE IMPLEMENTING
THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
BETTER NUMBERS NEXT WEEK. WE
KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE TO
LOOK AT FRANKLY, MADAM CHAIR, I
WE SHOULD BE HAVING A COMMITTEE
HEARING. A PUBLIC HEARING ON
THOSE NUMBERS TO REALLY RE
EVALUATE NOT RUNNING.
LEGISLATION OUT THE GATE UNTIL
WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOLID DATA FROM
THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED
TO DO THIS. I CANNOT SUPPORT
THIS. AND COLLEAGUES UP HERE
TODAY. I SERIOUSLY ASK YOU TO
DIAL IT BACK ON THIS ONE. IF BE
CAREFUL. NO, AT LEAST STAY OFF.
LET US GET SOME DATA. LET'S DO
THIS RIGHT. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT
THE AUTHOR ON THIS. I KNOW YOU
WEREN'T HERE. WHEN WE FOUGHT
THROUGH THIS. IT WAS A LONG,
HARD STRUGGLE AND IT'S TOO MUCH
WORK WAS DONE JUST ON DO IT
WITHOUT GOOD HEARING AND BETTER
NUMBERS. THANKS. THANK YOU SO
UCH MATH AS ANY OTHER COMMENTS
FROM THE COMMITTEE, MR GARCIA.
YEAH. THANK YOU. I WAS HERE FOR
A LOT OF THOSE FIGHTS AND
NEGOTIATIONS, UH, SHARING THE
COMMITTEE DURING THAT TIME. UH
AND YOU KNOW. THE IDEA OF
BANKING WAS NOT DISCUSSED IN
DEPTH AND AS TIME HAS PASSED BY
WE THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT WERE
BROUGHT UP, BUT WE HAVE MORE
INFORMATION COMING UP. THIS
BILL, FOR THE MOST PART, IS
REQUIRING A REVIEW. AND NOT
CHANGING THE DEAL THAT WAS MADE
BUT BEING MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT
LOOKING AT THIS SPECIFIC ITEM,
WHICH IS BROUGHT UP DURING THOSE
NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE TO BE READ
UP CONTINUOUSLY. OUT THERE AND
SO I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER. I
DON'T THINK WE ARE UNDOING ANY
DEALS OUT THERE. WE ARE JUST
SAYING, LET'S LET'S REVIEW AND
SEE WHERE WE'RE WITH WITH WHERE
WE'RE AT, AND I JUST RECOMMEND
THAT WE DO MOVE THIS BILL ALONG.
IT'S SMART, IT'S THOUGHTFUL. IT
ALLOWS US TO COME BACK AND LOOK
AT THE INFORMATION AS WELL AND
MAKE DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE.
AND SO I SUPPORT THIS BILL
TODAY. HAVE WE HAD A MOTION
ALREADY? I SAW MOVED THE BILL.
DONE. THANK YOU ANY OTHER
COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? SEE
NONE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
THE THREE? I VOTE? THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. MADAM SECRETARY,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS THROUGH PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS. FLORA NÓ.
FLORA NO BOERNER HORVATH
BOERNER HORVATH I FRIEDMAN
GARCIA. GARCIA MESSES MATTHEW
SNOW MCCARTY MERIT SUKI SUKI. I
SAY ARTO SEYARTO NO STONE.
STONE. I WOULD WOULD I? LEAVE IT
ON CALLING FOR SOMETHING ADD ON
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK INTO
FILE ITEM ORDER. SO, SENATOR
CAVIAR Ó. CAVIAR, PRESENTING
11. OH, ONE.PHIL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT SB 11.
OH, ONE WHICH SEEKS TO FURTHER
CALIFORNIA'S POLICY GOALS TO
REACH ECONOMY WIDE CARBON
NEUTRALITY BY 2044 45 BY
SUPPORTING CARBON CAPTURE,
SEQUESTRATION AND UTILIZATION
PROJECTS. AS PART AS PART OF MY
INTRODUCTION. I WANT TO TELL YOU
HOW WE GOT TO THIS PARTICULAR
POINT. UM WITH THIS BILL, IS
THAT THE PRO TEM BASICALLY
CONVENED A WORKING GROUP IN THE
SENATE IN ORDER TO HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF
CLIMATE CHANGE. UM LEGISLATION
WE WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK ON
AND DO TO REALLY BRING US
TOGETHER TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS
ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET T
CARBON NEUTRALITY NUMBER ONE OR
WINDOW, THE KINDS OF THINGS WE
NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO GUARANTEE
THAT WE HAVE, UM, AN ELECTRICAL
GRID THAT WORKS AND THE ENERGY
WHEN WE NEED IT. THAT
PRIORITIZES GREEN ENERGY THAT
PROTECTS, UM LABOR, UM AND
ALLOWS A REAL JUST TRANSITION IN
LABOR. SO THAT, UM WHEN WE START
ELIMINATING FOSSIL FUELS. WE
HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN
ACTUALLY THAT THAT ACTUALLY
PRODUCES A LIVING WAGE AND ALSO
THAT, UM STARTS TO CLEAN UP THE
AIR THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE REDUCING NOT ONLY CARBON
IN THE AIRPORT, BUT PARTICULATE
MATTERS THAT ARE POLLUTING SOME
OF OUR MORE CHALLENGED
COMMUNITIES AND THAT WE DO THIS
IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T INCREASE
THE COST. OF ENERGY FOR OUR
POOREST RESIDENTS, AND SO WE'VE
BEEN WORKING ON A WHOLE SERIES
OF BILLS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH
THROUGH THE ASSEMBLY RIGHT NOW,
AND CARBON CAPTURE IS ONE OF THE
AREAS THAT WE FOCUSED A LOT OF
TIME AND ATTENTION ON AND IT'S
COMPLICATED, AND IT'S ALSO UM
NEW AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGY. AND
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE ACTUALLY GET THIS RIGHT. LET
ME SAY THAT, UM THAT THE CHAIR
HAS INDICATED THAT SHE WOULD
SUPPORT A, UM, CHANGING THE BILL
, WHICH WOULD FOCUS ON SECTION
SIX. OF THE BILL, AND THAT SHE
WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US
TO SEE WHETHER THERE IS SOME
OTHER AMENDMENTS. AMENDMENTS
THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK ON
OVERTIME. UM NEEDLESS TO SAY,
I'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY, REALLY
HARD ON ON THIS ISSUE WITH IN A
SUBCOMMITTEE THAT INCLUDES
SENATOR MCGUIRE AND SENATOR
LEHMAN SHE HAS HER E O R B BILL
THAT IS HERE, AND THAT BILL IS
JOINED AT THE HIP WITH MY BILL.
UM, BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT IF
WE'RE GOING TO BE NEGOTIATING
WITH ALL OF THE INDUSTRIES THAT
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS LABOR,
UM, THE OIL INDUSTRY, THE
MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY. THE
INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRY AND, UM AS
WELL AS, UM. THE E J AND
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY THAT WE
THAT WE ALL NEED TO BE TOGETHER
DOING THIS WORK AND WE NEED TO
BE, UM MAKING SURE THAT THAT
WE'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION
THE INTERESTS OF ALL OF THOSE
INDUSTRIES AS WE NEGOTIATE
TOWARDS THE MIDDLE. SO AH! I
WANT TO TAKE THE CHAIR UP ON HER
OFFER AND TO SAY THAT I
APPRECIATE HER HAVING, UM,
DISCUSSIONS WITH US, UM AND I
ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S
WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT
ALL THIS DISCUSSION IS, IS IT I
DIDN'T THINK ABOUT ABOVE OF
CARBON CAPTURE CC US MYSELF.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM PHDS
FROM STANFORD FROM U C L, A
BERKELEY. AS WELL AS, UH,
LAWRENCE LIVERMORE LABORATORY
WHO ARE ALL DOING INCREDIBLE
RESEARCH IN THIS AREA AS WELL AS
UM UH WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT
HAS PRIORITIZED CC US
UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CANNOT
REACH OUR CLIMATE GOALS UNLESS
WE USE CARBON CAPTURE. AND SO IN
RECOGNITION OF THAT HAS PUT
SIGNIFICANT FEDERAL FUNDS
DEVELOPED, MADE THEM AVAILABLE
FOR COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO
START UTILIZING THIS TECHNOLOGY
THAT CLEAN THE, UM EMISSIONS
THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY
PRODUCING, WHETHER IT'S IN THE
CEMENT OR THE INDUSTRIAL SECTOR.
AND SO, UM SO I SAY THAT BECAUSE
WE HAVE SOME INCREDIBLE SUPPORT
IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY FOR
THIS, NONE OF IT WAS QUITE BY
THE WAY, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN
THE IN THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU
HAVE BEFORE YOU. SO UM I COMMIT
TO CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE
BILL WITH THE GOAL IN MIND OF
FINDING A MIDDLE GROUND, UM,
BETWEEN ALL THE AFFECTED PARTIES
AND UM AND RECOGNIZE IT. A LOT
OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE. UM UP TO
THIS POINT. SIMPLY PUT CARBON
NEUTRALITY BY 2045. NET.
NEGATIVE EMISSIONS THEREAFTER
WILL REQUIRE A MULTITUDE OF
CLIMATE CHANGE INITIATIVES, ONE
THAT IS VITAL TO OUR STATE
SUCCESS. IS CARBON CAPTURE,
UTILIZATION AND SEQUESTRATION.
AS I SAID, IT'S A SEDIMENT
SHARED BY OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS.
AND UM AND ONE THAT IS ALSO
SUPPORTED BY THE, UM BUY, BUY,
BUY OUR UNIVERSITY EXPERTS.
THERE IS REAL TIME BENEFIT TO C.
C. U. S AND THAT IT PROVIDES
ENVIRONMENTALLY THE PROJECT
PROCESS CAPTURES CARBON DIOXIDE
EMISSIONS STRAIGHT FROM THE
SOURCE TO AVOID RELEASE INTO THE
ATMOSPHERE. IN FACT, CARBON
CAPTURE METHOD SEQUESTER MORE
THAN 90% OF C. 02 EMISSIONS FROM
POWER PLANTS AND INDUSTRIAL
FACILITIES 90% OF WHAT WOULD
OTHERWISE BE RELEASED, AND
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT TOOL. AND
PRACTICAL METHOD. ESTIMATES ALSO
INDICATE APPROXIMATELY 15% OF
THE STATE'S TOTAL CO TWO
EMISSIONS CAN BE CAPTURED AND
STORED WITH C. C. U. S. IT HAS
BENEFITS ENVIRONMENTALLY, BUT
ALSO FOR OUR WORKFORCE AND THE
OVERALL ECONOMY. THE USE OF CC
US WOULD ENABLE DIFFICULT TO DE
CARBONIZED INDUSTRIES TO STAY IN
BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA AND
CONTINUE TO MAKE LARGE
CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR ECONOMY
WHILE DRAMATICALLY REDUCING
THEIR GHD M ADMISSION. EMISSIONS
CC US ACTIVITIES WOULD ALSO
PROVIDE JOBS FOR CALIFORNIANS
WITH SKILL SETS THAT MAY BECOME
OBSOLETE IN THE CLEAN ENERGY
TRANSITION. ALSO CONSIDER THAT
MANY ORGANIZATIONS IN
COMMERCIALIZED SECTORS ARE
READILY ABLE TO SUPPLY CC US
TECHNOLOGIES TO THEIR OPERATIONS
. WHAT IS NEEDED IS STATE
SUPPORT IN THE FORM OF RIGGING
OF A REGULATORY FRAMEWORK. SB 11
. OH, ONE PURSUES THIS GOAL BY
ESTABLISHING A CARBON CAPTURE,
UTILIZATION AND SEQUESTRATION
PROGRAM UNDER THE CALIFORNIA AIR
RESOURCES BOARD, THE PRIMARY
OBJECTIVE OF WHICH IS TO ASSIST
IN THE DEPLOYMENT. PROJECTS THAT
WILL ACCELERATE THE DEVELOPMENT,
DEPLOYMENT AND COMMERCIALIZATION
OF ADVANCED NEW TECHNOLOGIES. TO
CAPTURE AND SEQUESTER CARBON
DIOXIDE EMISSIONS IN INDUSTRIAL
AND COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL
FACILITIES. THE CALIFORNIA AIR
RESOURCES BOARD HAS ALREADY
RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANT OF CC
US TO HELP THE STATE MEETS MEAT
. IT'S CALLED RELATED TO GHG
REDUCTIONS BY INCLUDING IT IN
ITS SCOPING PLAN. ADDITIONALLY
THE BILL WILL WOULD WOULD
ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF UNDERGROUND
PORE SPACE FOR CARBON STORAGE TO
BE SEQUESTERED. I'M GOING TO
LEAVE IT AT THAT AT THIS POINT,
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING
THAT. UM UH, CHANGING THE BILL
RIGHT NOW TO ALLOW IT TO
CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT
UNDERSTAND THAT,UM THAT. AH THE
AS I UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENTS
THAT THAT I DISCUSSED WITH THE
WITH THE CHAIR WOULD BE TO
STRIKE SECTIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE
OF THE BILL, ELIMINATING
EVERYTHING SUBSTANTIVE,
INCLUDING THE C. C. U. S PROGRAM
AND POOR SPACE CLARIFICATION.
AND LEAVE SECTION SIX, WHICH
ENTAILS A SURVEY WHICH WOULD BE
COMPLETED TO MAP OUT THE
APPROPRIATE PLACES FOR CARBON
DIOXIDE STORAGE. AND WELL, IT'S
IMPORTANT IT'S HARDLY A
COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO CC US
THAT OUR STATE NEED NEEDS. BUT
IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY HAVE
SOME CONVERSATIONS TO SEE WHERE
THE CHAIR FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH
THE WITH THE BILL MOVING IF AT
ALL. BEYOND SECTION SIX. SO UM,
I WANT TO, UM I WANT TO MOVE THE
DISCUSSION. UM IT'S IMPORTANT TO
HAVE THE FRAMEWORK INTACT AND I
WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY
QUESTIONS THAT MAY MAYBE THAT WE
HAVE REGARDING THIS TESTIFYING
IN SUPPORT. IS VIRGIL WELCH WITH
THE CALIFORNIA CARBON CAPTURE
COALITION AND SCOTT WITCH WITH
CALIFORNIA STATE PIPE PERIOD
COUNCIL. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS.
SCOTT WATCH ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE PIPE TRADES
COUNCIL, THE COALITION OF
UTILITY EMPLOYEES AND THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF
ELECTRICAL WORKERS. UM WITH THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE JUST
ANNOUNCED. UTTERLY DISAPPOINTING
. I'M GONNA GO FORWARD WITH MY
TESTIMONY, SO I CAN AT LEAST
UNDERSCORE, ARE MY CLIENTS
POINTS. CARBON CAPTURE HAS BEEN
IDENTIFIED BY NONE OTHER AS
BEING CRITICAL TO THE STATES
REACHING ITS CARBON NEUTRALITY
GOALS OF 2045 BY NONE OTHER THAN
STANFORD. LAWRENCE LIVERMORE, U
C. BERKELEY, PRINCETON, THE CAR
, BUT THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY
AGENCY AMONG MANY, MANY OTHERS,
AS IT WAS MENTIONED CARBS
RECENTLY RELEASED DRAFT SCOPING
PLAN. IT CONTAINS EXTENSIVE USE
OF C. C. U S. BY 2030 A DATE
THAT IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
ADDITIONALLY THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION AND CONGRESS HAVE
APPROPRIATED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
IN GRANTS FOR CC US PROJECTS IN
STATES WHERE PROJECTS ARE VIABLE
AND MORE IS EXPECTED THROUGH THE
FEDERAL LEGISLATION, INCLUDING
THE PRESIDENT'S BUILD BACK.
BETTER PROPOSAL. FEDERAL AND
PRIVATE SECTOR SUPPORT WILL
CREATE THOUSANDS OF JOBS FOR OUR
MEMBERS WHO ARE LOSING JOBS
DAILY WITH EVERY NEW
DECARBONIZATION STATUTE AND RULE
THAT IS ADOPTED SB 11 OH, ONE IN
ITS ANONYMOUS ENDED VERSION IS A
MODEST PROPOSAL THAT DEFINES
POOR SPACED OWNERSHIP FOR
PURPOSES OF CARBON SEQUESTRATION
SITES. THIS TECHNICAL CHANGE IN
LAW IS CRITICAL TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE. OF CALIFORNIA'S
IDENTIFIED NATURAL STORAGE
CAPACITY AND WAS IDENTIFIED AS A
RECOMMENDATION IN CARBS SCOPING
DOCUMENT. IT ESTABLISHES A C S.
U. C. C U. S PROGRAMMING CARB TO
ACCELERATE DEPLOYMENT AND CARBON
AWAY. THAT BEFORE IT IS AMENDED%
, WOULD PROVIDE PAVILION WAGES
TO WORKERS WHO WOULD MAXIMIZE
GHG REDUCTIONS. LEVERAGE PRIVATE
FUNDING MAXIMIZES BENEFITS TO
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AND
REDUCES FOSSIL FOSSIL FUEL
PRODUCTION IN THIS STATE. WE ARE
COME ON. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE
STATE WILL STILL BE DEPENDENT ON
SOME REFINING, NATURAL GAS
GENERATION AND HEAVY
MANUFACTURING THROUGH 2045. THIS
IS A AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HEAVY DUTY
TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AVIATION,
MILITARY MARITIME. WE'RE GONNA
NEED TO MAINTAIN SYSTEM
RELIABILITY OF THE GRID. THIS IS
A REALITY THAT WE ALL NEED TO
WAKE UP AND ACCEPT. THERE IS NO
WAY TO ELIMINATE CARBON
EMISSIONS IN THE NEXT TWO
DECADES. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE A GOAL. WE'RE
GOING TO TRY TO REACH THAT. SO
WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO CAPTURE
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE? YOU
CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE PERFECT TO
BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD MY
MEMBERS ARE CONTINUING TO LOSE
JOBS, THE PLUMBERS LOSE 20% OF
ALL THEIR WORK EVERY TIME YOU DE
CARBONIZED A BUILDING. THIS IF
YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT REDUCING
GHG AND A QUOTE UNQUOTE JUST
TRANSITION. YOU DON'T AMEND THIS
BILL AND YOU PASS IT IN ITS
CURRENT FORM. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS.
I'M VIRGIL WELCH WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CARBON CAPTURE
COALITION. I DO NOT INTEND TO BE
REPETITIVE. YOU HEARD FROM BOTH
THE SENDER AND MR WELCH. WHY WE
NEED TO SEE SEE US IN
CALIFORNIA. THE REALITY IS WE
WILL NOT ACHIEVE OUR CLIMATE
GOALS WITHOUT. AS YOU JUST HEARD
. THIS BILL CONTAINED SEVERAL
IMPORTANT PROVISIONS,
PARTICULARLY ONE RELATED TO POOR
SPACE. SO POOR SPACE. NEEDS A
LEGAL FRAMEWORK IN CALIFORNIA,
WHICH IT CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE
THAT WILL ALLOW CAPTURED CARBON
FROM WHEREVER IT IS SEQUESTERED.
THAT COULD INCLUDE FROM A POINT
SOURCE THAT COULD INCLUDE DIRECT
AIR CAPTURE THAT COULD INCLUDE
ANY INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT
IS GOING TO CAPTURE OR REMOVE
CARBON FROM THE AIR AND
PERMANENTLY AND SAFELY AND
SECURELY STORED UNDERGROUND
FOREVER. IF WE DO NOT HAVE A
FRAMEWORK THAT ALLOWS CALIFORNIA
TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR
EXTRAORDINARY GEOLOGY. WE'RE
GOING TO FORGO MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF
ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY METRIC TON
SO. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THIS
COMMITTEE TO UNDERSTAND. THAT
RESOLVING THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES
IS FUNDAMENTAL TO NOT JUST
ACHIEVING OUR CLIMATE GOALS, BUT
IN TERMS OF THE CARBON DIOXIDE
REMOVAL CONVERSATION, WHICH, AS
WE ALL KNOW, IS A VERY ACTIVE
AND IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. THIS
LEGISLATURE. THAT PIECE IN
PARTICULAR UNDERLIES OUR SUCCESS
ACROSS THAT WHOLE RANGE OF%
TECHNOLOGIES IF WE CAN'T DEAL
WITH THAT ISSUE WE ARE NOT GOING
TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
ANY OF THESE TECHNOLOGY. SO
AGAIN, I WOULD VERY MUCH OR JUST
COMMITTEE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK.
AND UNDERSTANDING THAT POOR
SPACE HAS GOT TO BE PART OF THE
EFFORT. IF WE'RE GOING TO
UTILIZE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT CC
US AFFORDS US AS PART OF OUR
EFFORTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
NEXT, ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
THEO PAY HOST REPRESENTING THE
CALPINE CORPORATIONS. WE HAVE TO
DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS IN THIS
SPACE AND ARE VERY MUCH
SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BILL. THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR
. ISRAEL SALAS WITH SEMPRA
UTILITIES IN SUPPORT OF THE
BILL. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. TIFFANY
PHANTOM INTERSECT POWER A SOLAR
DEVELOPER WITH A LARGE FOOTPRINT
IN CALIFORNIA WITH THE SUPPORT
IF AMENDED POSITION. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR MEMBER OF
THE COMMITTEE. JEREMY SMITH ON
BEHALF OF THE STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL. WE
ARE CONCERNED AS MR WHICH LAID
OUT WE WERE THOSE CONCERNS. WE
SUPPORT SISI US. WE THINK THE
BILL SHOULD PROBABLY STAY HERE
TODAY. GIVEN THESE AMENDMENTS
THAT WE'RE VERY DISAPPOINTED IN
SO WE CAN REASSESS THEIR IMPACT
ON THE INDUSTRY AND OUR
TRANSITION IN OUR JOBS AND OUR
UNIONS. THANK YOU. EXACTLY WHERE
ON BEHALF OF THE WESTERN STATES
PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION
DISAPPOINTED WITH THE MEMBER
AMENDMENTS, BUT SUPPORT THE BILL
AND WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR
MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. NEXT.
WE HAVE A WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS
GENEVIEVE AMSALEM. I AM THE
RESEARCH AND POLICY DIRECTOR FOR
THE CENTRAL CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. NETWORKER
C. C. E. J. N I HAVE NOT SEEN
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IN MY
TESTIMONY WAS WRITTEN IN ADANCE
OF THOSE AMENDMENTS. BUT I DO
APPRECIATE THE SENATORS HARD
WORK ON THIS ISSUE AND
COMMITMENT TO FINDING COMMON
GROUND. INITIALLY OUR
ORGANIZATION WAS OPEN TO THE
IDEA OF INDUSTRIAL CARBON
CAPTURE AND STORAGE. ANYTHING TO
HELP FIGHT THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
WE BELIEVED HOWEVER, OVER THE
COURSE OF INTENSIVE STUDY WE'VE
REALIZED MOST INDUSTRIAL CCS
HARMS FRONTLINE COMMUNITIES.
FOREMOST IT INCREASES AIR
POLLUTION, ACCORDING TO THE
EUROPEAN ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCY.
TECHNICAL REPORT ON THE AIR
POLLUTION IMPACTS FROM CCS THE
ADDITION OF CCS TECHNOLOGY TO AN
EXISTING FACILITY. INCREASES
THAT FACILITIES LOCAL EMISSIONS
BY 11 TO 25. SECONDLY INDUSTRIAL
CCS RISKS ARE DRINKING WATER,
ACCORDING TO AN ARTICLE
PUBLISHED BY THE AMERICAN
CHEMICAL SOCIETY IN THE JOURNAL
ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY. IF C 02 STORED
UNDERGROUND WERE TO LEAK, EVEN
IN A SMALL AMOUNT. IF IT CAUSE
METALS SUCH AS URANIUM, BARIUM
AND COBALT TO BE RELEASED IN
GROUNDWATER AQUIFERS
CONCENTRATIONS NOWN TO CAUSE A
HEALTH RISK COULD ALSO INCREASE
THE ACIDITY OF SURROUNDING SOIL
AND WATER. LASTLY INDUSTRIAL CCS
RISK THE VERY LIVES OF OUR
RESIDENTS. LARGE VOLUMES OF SO
TWO WERE RELEASED IN AMBIENT AIR
, EITHER THROUGH AN UNDERGROUND
LEAK OR A PIPELINE BREAK. CO TWO
CAN, IN THEORY, REPLACE OXYGEN
LEADING TO LETHAL CONDITIONS.
TWO YEARS AGO. DEN BERRY
ENTERPRISES DELTA PIPELINE
EXPERIENCE A SUDDEN RUPTURE AND
RELEASE OF CO. TWO GAS NEAR A
SMALL COMMUNITY IN MISSISSIPPI.
THE SCARIEST PART OF THE THIS
EVENT TO ME WAS THAT PEOPLE
TRIED TO ESCAPE. BUT THERE
WASN'T ENOUGH OXYGEN IN THE AIR
TO SPARK THE ENGINES OF THEIR
VEHICLES. 300 PEOPLE WERE
EVENTUALLY EVACUATED. 49 WERE
HOSPITALIZED. MANY DEVELOPED
PERMANENT LIFELONG RESPIRATORY
DAMAGE. IN FACT, THAT COUNTY
BAND CCS JUST LAST WEEK IN
CONCLUSION. WE FOUND INDUSTRIAL
CCS HARM'S ALREADY OVERBURDENED
COMMUNITIES THROUGH INCREASED
AIR POLLUTION, RISKS THE
DRINKING WATER AND RISK THE
LIVES SB 11. OH, ONE IN ITS
ORIGINAL FORM, ACCELERATES THE
DEPLOYMENT OF INDUSTRIAL CCS
WITHOUT PROPER SAFEGUARDS. AND
SO FOR THESE REASONS, WE
RESPECTFULLY TAKEN OPPOSING LESS
AMENDED POSITION. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS. MY NAME IS ROSSIO
MADRIGAL AND I WORK FOR C C. J N
. CENTRAL CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NETWORK,
AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS
OPPORTUNITY. TO HEAR ME. YOU ARE
THE LEADERS OF OUR GREAT STATE.
RECENTLY DOING A PROJECT IN
MENDOTA WERE SENATOR CABALLERO'S
WELL AWARE OF MENDOTA. IT IS A
TINY COMMUNITY OF LESS THAN
20,000 PEOPLE 50 MILES WEST OF
THE CITY OF FRESNO. THEY DON'T
HAVE A HOSPITAL. AND IT'S AN
HOUR DRIVE. THEY HAVE ONLY ONE
AMBULANCE. I JUST ASK YOU TO
REMEMBER THAT. RECENTLY WHEN WE
WORKED WITH FAMILIES, MANY
FAMILIES, WE LEARNED THAT THEY
HAD NO IDEA THAT A PERMIT WAS IN
PROCESS TO REOPEN THE BIOMASS
FOR C. C. U. S IN MENDOTA. WHEN
WE EXPLAINED WHAT THE DANGERS
ARE, AND THE MISSISSIPPI, UM,
EXAMPLE THEY WERE TERRIFIED. WE
WENT INTO ACTION AND WE WERE
HAPPY THAT ALSO FEDERAL DIRECTOR
MARTHA GOES JUAN. CAME AND SPOKE
TO THE FAMILIES ASK QUESTIONS OF
THEIR ALREADY ASTHMATIC HEALTH
CONDITIONS AND OTHER CONDITIONS
AND BARRIERS THAT THEY HAVE.
THIS PERMIT. WAS REQUESTED BY
CHEVRON TNCS. AH! DIRECTOR
GUZMAN ASKED FOR MORE
INFORMATION, INFORMATION AND
ANSWERS A LOT OF THINGS THAT
WERE MISSING FROM THIS PERMIT.
WHAT HAPPENED? THEY DID NOT WANT
TO GIVE THE ANSWERS. RATHER THEY
FORGOT 1.5 YEARS OF PUSHING THIS
PERMIT. BECAUSE THE ANSWERS THEY
HAVE WOULD SHOW THAT IT HURTS
PEOPLE AND IT HURTS OUR
ENVIRONMENT. ASTHMA IS ALREADY A
LEADING ILLNESS IN THE SAN
JOAQUIN VALLEY, AND WE CANNOT
AFFORD ANY MORE POLLUTION IN OUR
AIR. ALL PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA
DESERVE YOUR PROTECTION. WE NEED
TO READ CALIFORNIA OF THIS NEW
INDUSTRY THAT HAS FALSE CLAIMS.
RISK OF EXPLOSIONS AND WHEN WE
KNOW THAT THE ONLY GAIN IS MORE
MILLIONS FOR THE OIL COMPANIES.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A LOT OF OIL
PEOPLE HERE TODAY. YOU RECEIVE
VOTE TO BE HERE AS OUR LEADERS
NOT ONLY AS VOTES IN THE BALLOT
BOX, BUT YOU RECEIVED A VOTE OF
THEIR CONFIDENCE. THE PEOPLE
THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CARE
ABOUT ASK YOU TO DO YOUR
RESEARCH, USE YOUR EDUCATION AND
FIND OUT THE TRUE ANSWERS. FIND
OUT WHAT IS A LIE. FIND OUT WHAT
IS BEST FOR PEOPLE AND FIND OUT
WHAT IS BETTER FOR CALIFORNIA.
LET'S DO BETTER FOR OUR
CALIFORNIA. THANK YOU. ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. MELISSA ROMERO WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED TO THE BILL APPRECIATE
THE AUTHORS CONSIDERATIONS OF
THOSE AMENDMENTS AND OUR
CONCERNS. THANK YOU. BETTER THAN
THIS WITH THE CENTRAL VALLEY AIR
QUALITY COALITION HERE TO
EXPRESS OUR OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED POSITION. THANK YOU. THE
REST OF THE CENTER AND RACE,
POVERTY AND THE ENVIRONMENT
POSED UNLESS AMENDED. THANK YOU.
I RECALL MASON ON BEHALF OF THE
COFFIN, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
ALLIANCE, THE ASIAN PACIFIC
ENVIRONMENTAL NETWORK PHYSICIANS
FOR SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY LOS
ANGELES COMMUNITIES FOR A BETTER
ENVIRONMENT AND LEADERSHIP
COUNCIL FOR JUSTICE AND
ACCOUNTABILITY. ALSO OPPOSING
LESSON MEN. THANK YOU. HELLO MY
NAME IS SARAH GEAR. AM A
COMMUNITY ORGANIZER WITH C. C. J
N AND ALSO RESIDENT OF KERN
COUNTY. OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED.
THANK YOU. QUÊ. ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS
. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR IF WE CAN JUST
HAVE VIRGIL WITH THE SUPPORT IF
YOU COULD RESPOND TO SOME OF THE
QUESTIONS THAT THE OPPOSITION
BROUGHT UP. SURE I'LL BE HAPPY
TO IN A LET ME SPEAK CLEAR.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE ASSERTIONS
THAT WE HEARD TODAY ARE COMMON.
IN FACT, THEY APPEARED TODAY IN
HIM. SECOND BEEF EDITORIAL WHICH
IS UNFORTUNATE. UM SEE. SEE US
IS TECHNOLOGIES HAVE BEEN
OPERATING FOR DECADES. ACTUALLY.
UM WITH EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH.
SUCCESS RATES FOR SAFETY, UH FOR
TRANSPORT. FOR PERMANENT
SEQUESTRATION. THOSE ARE THE
FACTS. UM. ANECDOTES ABOUT
ISOLATED INCIDENTS. I ALWAYS
THINK OF, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING
TO STOP OUR EFFORT TO ELECTRIFY
TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE WITH ALL
DUE RESPECT TO GM HH, NO
DISRESPECT INTENDED A BATTERY IN
A CHEVY VOLT GOES ON FIRE. WE
CAN ALWAYS PICK OUT ANECDOTES,
BUT THE REALITY IS C. C. U. S
TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN SAFELY
OPERATING IN MANY DIFFERENT
APPLICATIONS FOR DECADES. I'D
ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT UM.
THERE IS ACTUALLY A POTENTIAL TO
IMPROVE AIR QUALITY. SO WITH, UM
, FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT
THERE ARE AH COMMUNITIES WHO
EXPECT TO HAVE ANSWERS ON THE
IMPACTS OF THESE PROJECTS. THERE
ARE ABSOLUTELY OPPORTUNITIES TO
IMPROVE AIR QUALITY. BY
APPLICATION OF VARIOUS OF THE
CAPTURE TECHNOLOGY. IN FACT, MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S A
FORTHCOMING REPORT WITHIN. UH
SEVERAL WEEKS, UM, FROM AN
ORGANIZATION WHO'S ACTUALLY DONE
SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ANALYSIS
IN REAL WORLD SCENARIOS. OF WHAT
THE APPLICATION OF CCS
TECHNOLOGY CAN DO IN TERMS OF
IMPROVING AIR POLLUTION. THANKS.
SOME OF THEM ARE FLORA. EARTH
THANK YOU, SENATOR FOR
PRESENTING THIS BILL, AND I'M
JUST CURIOUS. CAN YOU CLARIFY
THAT THE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU
TOOK TODAY? DID THEY DOUBLE
JOINT THIS BUILDING? SB 13 14.
WE HAVEN'T DONE IT FORMALLY
WITHIN OUR WORKING GROUP.WE
HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT BOTH
BILLS LIVE AND DIE TOGETHER. AND
SO, UM, IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN
THIS COMMITTEE. BUT THAT'S THE
AGREEMENT THAT I HAVE WITH
SENATOR LEHMAN, WHO IS THE
AUTHOR OF THE OTHER BILL, AND
SENATOR MAGUIRE, WHO HAS BEEN
HELPING US TO NEGOTIATE THAT WE
ENDED UP WITH A PUNCH LIST OF
ABOUT 30. RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS WANTED.
THE BILL AMENDED TO INCLUDE AND
UM AND WE WE'VE BEEN WORKING OFF
THAT PUNCH PUNCH LIST AND WOULD
HAVE ADDRESSED THEM HERE IN THE
COMMITTEE. IF IT HADN'T BEEN
AMENDED TO A DIFFERENT FORMAT,
BUT ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
SAID, YOU KNOW, UM THAT THEY
WOULD OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED.
SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS ARE
THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT ABOUT DOING AND SO, UM AS
I SAID. WHEREVER OUR BILLS GO
NEXT, ASSUMING THEY GET OUT OF
COMMITTEE, UM THE TWO BILLS ARE
ARE JOINED AND THEY EITHER GO
TOGETHER. THEY DON'T GO
TOGETHER. SO I THINK THIS BILL
IS HEADED TO APPROACH NEXT. SO
IN APPROACH, YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE
THOSE AMENDMENTS AND MAKE IT
FORMAL TO DOUBLE JOINT THEM.
OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST FOR THE
RECORD. TO DO THAT, WHENEVER WE
SHOULD. YEAH THIS COMMITTEE IS
NOT JOINING THOSE BILLS. WE ARE
HEARING EACH BILL ON ITS OWN
MERIT. UM IT'S NOT SOMETHING
THAT I AM DOING AS CHAIR. I JUST
WANT TO BE CLEAR. UM IT'S UP TO
THE AUTHORS TO DO THAT, AND THEY
HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THEY
INTEND TO DO THAT IN
APPROPRIATIONS. IF BOTH BILLS
MAKE IT OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI.
THANK YOU, SENATOR. FOR YOUR
YOUR PASSION. FOR CALIFORNIA TO
REACH OUR CLIMATE GOALS. YOU'RE
YOU OPEN WITH A STATEMENT THAT
WE CANNOT REACH OUR CLIMATE
GOALS. UM UM, MOST SPECIFICALLY
OUR GOAL THAT GOVERNOR BROWN
ESTABLISHED FOR THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA WITH HIS EXECUTIVE
ORDER FOR CALIFORNIA TO REACH
CARBON NEUTRALITY BY BEFORE
2045. UM. WANT TO REMIND YOU
THAT, YOU KNOW. THE CONVERSATION
AROUND CARBON CAPTURE AND
STORAGE IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE
COMPLICATED AND UCH MORE
NUANCED. IT'S YOU KNOW, NOT YOUR
BILL OR NOTHING. WANT TO REMIND
YOU THAT I HAD A BILL LAST YEAR.
MAYBE 13 95. THAT DID PROVIDE A
SEPARATE APPROACH FOR CARBON
CAPTURE AND STORAGE. ONE THAT
EMPHASIZED, UH, 90% DIRECT. AH!
J C EMISSIONS. UH A BAN ON THE
USE OF SISI AS FOR ENHANCED OIL
RECOVERY AND FOR NO CCS TO MOVE
FORWARD WITHOUT THE GUARANTEE
THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE YOU KNOW
ADDITIONAL AIR POLLUTION ON
FRONTLINE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES. THAT BILL YOU DID
NOT SUPPORT UM. AND SO YOU KNOW
, I ONLY WANT TO RAISE THAT TO
MAKE THE POINT THAT. WE EVEN MY
BILL. I RECEIVED OPPOSITION FOR
MANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
ARE OPPOSING YOUR BILL. UM UH,
YOU KNOW, WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT
THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED. UH,
POLICY AREA. UM. BUT I WANTED TO
ASK YOU YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE SUCH
A CHAMPION OF CARBON CAPTURE AND
STORAGE, THEN WHY HAVE YOU NOT
BEEN WILLING TO ACCEPT? AN
AMENDMENT TO PROHIBIT THE USE OF
SEE CRC C. U. S. EITHER. WHERE
IT COULD BE USED FOR, UH, FOR
ENHANCED ORDER RECOVERY OR WHERE
I WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW
SIGNIFICANT AIR POLLUTION
IMPACTS ON FRONTLINE
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I
APPRECIATE IT. UM YOU KNOW
ANYTIME. ANYTIME YOU'RE DOING A
NEGOTIATION UM, FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE. UM WHAT'S IMPORTANT
IS TO KEEP EVERYTHING ON THE
TABLE UNTIL YOU CAN GET PEOPLE
NODDING AND AGREEING THAT YOU'RE
GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON
BECAUSE THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS
WHO WHO'S NUMBER WELL, LET ME
JUST SAY THAT. THAT'S NUMBER ONE
NUMBER TWO IS YOU CAN GET BEATEN
DOWN BY AN ORGANIZATION SAYING
WE'VE GOT 15. THINGS THAT WE
DON'T LIKE ABOUT. THE BILL OR 15
THINGS WE WANT YOU TO DO AND YOU
GOT TO TAKE THEM ALL OR IT'S
NOTHING. AND SO PART OF THE
NEGOTIATION HAS BEEN, UM AND TWO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORIDA'S
QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE BILLS
ARE JOINED IS THAT, UM, WE TOLD
THE SENATE THAT WE WANTED BOTH
BILLS TO MOVE TOGETHER BECAUSE
IT WAS PART OF A NEGOTIATION
THAT WE WERE WORKING ON. UM AND
THE MY BILL AND CHIEF. IT
DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THE ELEMENTS
OF THE NEGOTIATED, UM, ELEMENTS
THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON
BECAUSE WE WANT TO PUT IT ALL
TOGETHER AT THE END. IN OTHER
WORDS, WE WANT TO GET AT LEAST
ENOUGH BUYING. SO PEOPLE MEET
WITH US SO THAT THEY DON'T JUST
SIT BACK AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO
OPPOSE IT, AND WE'RE NOT. WE'RE
NOT GOING TO COME TO THE TABLE
AT ALL. UM AND SO I'VE BEEN VERY
CLEAR. UM IF YOU LOOK AT THE
HEARING THAT I DID IN, UM IN IN
THE SENATE, THERE WERE 21 WAS A
NATURAL RESOURCES AND THE OTHER
ONE IS AND I'M DRAWING A TOTAL
BLANK. EQ WITH SENATOR ALLEN IS
SENATOR STERN IN BOTH OF THOSE
HEARINGS. I TOLD THEM VERY
CLEARLY THE COMMITTEE THAT I
WAS, UM I WAS NEUTRAL ON WHETHER
E OR COULD BE USED ARE NOT THAT
ULTIMATELY WE WANTED TO GET TO A
NEGOTIATION WHERE WE THERE IS
GIVE AND TAKE ON DIFFERENT
ASPECTS OF THE BILL. SO IT'S THE
REASON I VOTED IN SUPPORT OF
SENATOR LEMONS BILL IN THE
SENATE WHEN WE PRESENTED IT
BECAUSE WE WERE NEGOTIATING IN
GOOD FAITH. I GUESS I STILL
DON'T UNDERSTAND, THOUGH. I
MEAN, IF YOU'RE AGREEING THAT
CCS CC US SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR
E O. OR THEN WHY NOT? JUST PUT
IT IN YOUR BILL? WELL. IT'S A
NEGOTIATION STRATEGY. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA
THANK YOU AND I APOLOGIZE. I
STEPPED OUT. BUT TO BE CLEAR
YOU'RE AGREEING TO REMOVE
SECTIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE OF
YOUR BILL AND LEAVE SECTION SIX
IN CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO
UM I WANT. I APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE
WORKING GROUP AND WITH MS LIMÓN,
AND, UM I WILL SUPPORT YOUR BILL
TODAY WITH THESE AMENDMENTS, BUT
I WANT TO MAKE TWO THINGS CLEAR.
I AM NOT NEUTRAL ON. OH, YOU ARE
SEEN BEING AN OPTION. I AM
PRAGMATIC, AND I REALIZED THAT
CC US IS PART OF THE EQUATION,
WHICH IS PART OF WHAT MR
MURATSUCHI WAS TRYING TO DO WITH
THIS BILL AND TRYING TO PUT IN
SOME GUARDRAILS THERE SO IT
DOESN'T BECOME A REPLACEMENT FOR
EMISSION REDUCTIONS. AND
CLEANING UP OUR AIR. I THINK IT
WAS A DECENT BILL. BUT YOU KNOW,
I APPRECIATE THAT THERE MIGHT BE
OTHER EFFORTS. I'M I GET US TO
THE SAME SPOT, WHICH IS I KNOW
PART OF YOU. YOU'RE ENGAGED IN
NOW. BUT AS THIS BILL MOVES
FORWARD, AND IF IT DOES MAKE IT
TO THE ASSEMBLY FLOOR, I WILL
NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE. VOTING FOR
SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DOUBLE
JOINTED WITH SOMETHING THAT
MAKES IT CLEAR THAT UM OR YOU
ARE. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT AN
OPTION. MM PROTECTING FARMLAND
COMMUNITIES. THIS IS IMPORTANT,
SO I DO KNOW THAT WE WORKED IN
THE PAST. I KNOW FINLAND
COMMUNITIES ARE ALSO IMPORTANT
TO YOU. AND SO I WILL BE
SUPPORTING THIS BILL TODAY. BUT
A LOT OF THIS IN CONCERNS THAT
MR MERCY, SHE HAS POINTED OUT,
UM WITH THIS BILL, ASSIST IN
GENERAL IS WE'RE LOOKING AT CC
US AND ALLOWING IT. AND PEOPLE
DON'T WANT TO ALLOW IT AT ALL.
IT'S THE BEST WHERE I COME IN
PRAGMATIC. WHEN I LOOK AT THE
SCIENCE AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING
TO BE NEEDED FOR THE TAIL END OF
WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT I DON'T
WANT IT TO BE IN A IN
REPLACEMENT OF OUR EMISSION
REDUCTION GOALS. AND SO I JUST
WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS
YOU DID THE WORK AND WOULD LOVE
TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH YOU
ON THIS. QUÊ ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. OKAY THANK YOU FOR
WORKING WITH ME ON THIS BILL. UM
AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THOSE
AMENDMENTS. YOU KNOW, I AM JUST
TO BE CLEAR. UM, I AM SUPPORTING
THE BILL. IF IT ONLY CONTAINS
SECTION SIX, AND YOU HAVE AGREED
TO OUR AMENDMENTS. UH I THINK
THIS IS A START TO START THE
GEOLOGIC. YOU KNOW, CARBON
SEQUESTRATION GROUP AND THE
TASKS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO IT,
UM, TO IDENTIFY APPROPRIATE
LOCATIONS IN CALIFORNIA. I HAVE
SOME CONCERNS WITH CC US. I'M
NOT AGAINST IT, BUT I'M WILLING
TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION
WITH YOU NOT GUARANTEEING
ANYTHING, BUT I WILL SIT DOWN
WITH YOU AND CONTINUE. TO SEE IF
THERE IS A PATH FORWARD, YOU
KNOW, THANK YOU FOR AGREEING TO
THIS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND? I'M NOT SURE IF I WAS
MATHIS I THINK WE NEED A SECOND
. OKAY SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR
AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY
THAT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. UM
ULTIMATELY, UM. ULTIMATELY, WE
NEED. TO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW,
COME TO SOME CONCLUSION ABOUT
POOR SPACE. IT'S GOING TO BE
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, BUT DOING
THE GEOLOGIC WORK IS GOING TO
BE, UM, CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AS
WELL. UM AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
HAVING FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH
YOU ABOUT. YOU KNOW HOW? HOW FAR
WE WANT TO GO AT THIS PARTICULAR
POINT IN TIME, AND I APPRECIATE
ALL THE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO
THE O. R. I KNOW THAT IF WE'RE
MOVING A BIGGER BILL, AND YOU
ARE IS THE ISSUE THAT'S THAT
WILL BE RESOLVED. UM THAT WAS
THE INTENTION WAS TO GET IT
RESOLVED. UM BUT BUT, UM SENATOR
LEHMAN AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING
TOGETHER TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN
MAKE SOME INROADS INTO A PROCESS
WHERE THE LEGISLATURE WAYS IN
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE AIR
RESOURCES BOARD THAT TAKING THE
LEAD THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS
WEIGHED IN ON WHAT PROTECTIONS
OUGHT TO BE AND EXACTLY HOW, UM. WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE IN
REGARDS TO TRANSPORT POOR SPACE,
TOO. TO USING ANY OF THE
PRODUCTS AND WHETHER IT ACTUALLY
ACHIEVES THE BENEFITS THAT WE
REALLY WANTED TO ACHIEVE. SO
WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR VOTE TODAY AND I
APPRECIATE SHOW YOU APPRECIATION
FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AS WELL.
THANK YOU, SENATOR. WE HAVE
EMOTION FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MATHIS, SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA SECRETARY
. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE
MOTION IS PASSED AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS LEAVE US. I FLORA
. I BOERNER HORVATH
BOERNER HORVATH I FRIEDMAN
TREATMENT. I GARCIA GARCIA, I
MATHIS. MATTIS. I AM MCCARTY
MERITS UCI. ADMIT THAT YOU'RE
NOT VOTING SEYARTO. COR TÔI
STONE. STONE. I WOULD WOULD I?
THAT BILL HAS 10 VOTES. THAT'S
THANK YOU. ON MY CARD. MERCER
CHEEK. SORRY I MADE A MISTAKE.
THAT BILL HAS NINE VOTES WILL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR THE MISSING
MEMBER.
OKAY? THAT BILL HAS NINE VOTES,
AND IT'S OUT. SORRY FOR THAT.
DHCS. OKAY SO WE WILL MOVE BACK
UP TO FILE ITEM TWO. SB 12 03 BY
SENATOR BECKER. TRY TO GO AND
FILE ORDER NEXT. NOW THAT THE
SENATORS ARE HERE. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR PATIENCE IN FILE ORDER OF
BILLS AND THANK YOU SENATORS FOR
BEING HERE. GO AHEAD. THE SECOND
AHEAD. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. THANK YOU. PLEASE UH,
PRESENT 12. OH THREE. WANT TO
CONFIRM MY ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENT TO MAKE SURE
THE AGENCIES WHO ARE ALREADY
REPORTING THEIR GHG EMISSIONS.
CAN CONTINUE THE SAME PROCESSES
AND TOOLS THAT ARE ALREADY IN
PLACE. THIS BILL. UM. WHAT WE'LL
DO. NUMBER ONE IS JUST LEVERAGE
THE PURCHASING POWER OF THE
STATE TO ADVANCE OUR, UH, OUR
MOVEMENT TO CLEAN TECHNOLOGIES
AND MAKE THEM MORE AFFORDABLE
AND ALSO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT
THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE REST
OF THE STATE TO DO THIS BY 2045.
THE STATE CAN LEAD THE WAY. SO
WITH THAT I RESPECTFULLY ASK
HER. I VOTE AND WE HAVEMELISSA
ROMERO HERE TO PRESENT AS OUR
WITNESS. THANKS SO MUCH
COMMITTEE CHAIR AND MEMBERS SP
OR MELISSA ROMERO WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
HERE IN SUPPORT OF SB 12. OH,
THREE. UM THIS BILL IS ONE STEP
IN THE TRANSITION TO A CLEAN
ENERGY ECONOMY BY HAVING THE
STATE TAKEN ACTIVE LEADING ROLE.
THE BILL DOES THIS BY ASKING
STATE AGENCIES TO LEAD BY
EXAMPLE BY TAKING AN INVENTORY
OF EMISSIONS FROM SOURCES OWNED
OR CONTROLLED BY THE STATE
GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS
ELECTRICITY THAT'S PURCHASED BY
THE STATE SAID SETTING INTERIM
TARGETS FOR REDUCING EMISSIONS
ON THE PATH TO NET ZERO AND TO
DEVELOP A PLAN TO MEET THOSE
TARGETS. ASKING THE STATE
GOVERNMENT TO DEVELOP PLANS FOR
ITSELF TO ACHIEVE. NET ZERO
CONTRIBUTES TO CALIFORNIA'S LONG
LEGACY OF CLIMATE LEADERSHIP AND
LEVERAGES THE STATE'S
PROCUREMENT POWER TO JUMPSTART
PROGRESS ACROSS SECTORS AND SPUR
DEMAND FOR CLEAN ENERGY.
ACTIONABLE PLANS TO ACHIEVE NET
ZERO FROM STATE OPERATIONS CAN
CREATE MANY PUBLIC HEALTH
BENEFITS AND HELP TO TRY TO PATH
FOR THE REST OF THE STATE TO
ACHIEVE THIS LEVEL AND SCALE OF
EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS THAT IS
NEEDED TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE
CRISIS. SB 12 OF THREE IS ALSO A
STEP THAT MANY OTHER STATES CAN
FOLLOW, PROVIDING CALIFORNIA
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE
EXAMPLE. INTERNATIONAL LEADER ON
MODEL CLIMATE POLICIES. WE HAVE
THE TOOLS TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE
CRISIS NOW AND NOW WE HAVE ONE
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD BY
EXAMPLE AND AFFIRM THAT OUR
STATE IS GOING TO LEAD THE WAY
BY PASSING SB 12 03. UH AND I
WANT TO JUST RECOGNIZE THAT
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
HAS JOINED BY A LARGE COALITION
OF ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS
IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL,
INCLUDING ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE
FUND NEXT GEN. THE NATURAL
RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL.
CLIMATE CENTER, CLEAN WATER
ACTION 3 50 BAY AREA 3 50 HUMBLE
TRUE BEAUTY. SILICON VALLEY,
CALIFORNIA CLIMATE REALITY
COALITION AND MANY MORE JUST
WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE FOR
THE RECORD BECAUSE IT WAS NOT
INCLUDED IN THAT ANALYSIS AND
APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF THE
BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU UP
NEXT ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT CASEY, NONE. ARE THERE
ANY WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION?
SEE NONE. COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS ASSEMBLY
WHERE SUHARTO LAST WEEK WE HEARD
A BILL ABOUT THE SCOPE THREE
EMISSIONS AND WE'RE MANDATING
THE BUSINESSES. PARTICIPATE IN
THE SCOPE THREE REPORTING. BUT
THE GOVERNMENT WE DO IT FOR A
GOVERNMENT AGENCY. JUST GO ONE
AND TWO. WHY NOT SCOPE THREE
ALSO FOR THIS BILL. WE'RE
FOCUSED ON. IT'S REALLY ABOUT
THREE THINGS. IT'S REALLY ABOUT
OUR FLEET. IT'S ABOUT OUR
BUILDINGS, UM, AND ABOUT HER
ELECTRICITY USE. THAT'S REALLY
THE FOCUS OF THIS BILL. I CAN'T
SPEAK TO THE OTHER BILL. I'M NOT
IF IT'S WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT
NOT SURE DOES COVER SPOKE SCOPE
THREE, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE
FOCUS OF THIS BILL. OKAY, SO
IT'S JUST THERE ARE THE OTHER
ONE. THE SCOPE THREE OR NOT VERY
UH, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT VERY EASY
FOR THEM TO DO. BUT WE'RE BUT
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE BUSINESSES
DO IT, BUT WE DON'T DO THE
GOVERNMENT DOES. SO FOR THIS
BILL KIND OF POINTED THAT OUT
BECAUSE I HEAR THESE BILLS AND
ALL OF A SUDDEN SCOPE THREE.
LAST WEEK WAS REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR BUSINESSES TO DO, BUT FOR
GOVERNMENT. YOU THINK WE SHOULD
GO FURTHER THAN THIS BILL? YOUNG
BUT I REALLY DON'T. I'M JUST
SAYING I'M GOOD. I'M POINTING
OUT IS THE DISPARITY WHEN WE
DEVELOP BILLS FOR GOVERNMENT
VERSUS GOVERNMENT BILLS FOR
PRIVATE INDUSTRY BECAUSE IT'S
TOO ONEROUS FOR PRIVATE
INDUSTRY. AND OBVIOUSLY TOO
ONEROUS FOR GOVERNMENT. SO THANK
YOU AGREE THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD
LEAD BY EXAMPLE, AND THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BOERNER HORVATH
. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT BILL.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING
FORWARD MY FIRST YEAR AT A BILL
THAT NEVER MADE IT OUT OF
COMMITTEE THAT JUST DEALT WITH
ELECTRICITY SIDE SO I'M SO HAPPY
THAT YOU'VE MOVED THIS AND EVEN
HAVE THIS THOUGHTFUL APPROACH
AND I'D LOVE TO BE ADDED AS A CO
AUTHOR. THE OTHER CAVE. SO YOU
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE.
THANK YOU. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO
CONFIRM THAT YOU WILL BE
ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENTS. I
BELIEVE YOU DID MENTION THAT
RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST
DOUBLE CHECKING. OKAY SO WE HAVE
A MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
FRIEDMAN, SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA.
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
MOTION IS DUE PAST AS AMENDED TO
COMMITTEE ON ACCOUNTABILITY AND
ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. RIVAS
RIVAS. I FLORA. WELL OR NOT
VOTING BOERNER HORVATH.
BOERNER HORVATH I. FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN. I GARCIA. GARCIA
MATHIS. VOTING. MCCARTHY MERITS
UCI MURATSUCHI I SAY ARTO? CR
TOÀN NO STONE STONE. I WOULD
WOULD I? THAT BILL HAS 7 TO 1.
IT'S OUT. THANK YOU, SENATOR
BECKER. NEXT. 13 13 NEXT ITEM.
13 SP 12 95 BY SENATOR LEHMAN
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. SB 12 95 ADDRESSES THE
SERIOUS PROBLEM OF DESERTED
WALLS IN CALIFORNIA. THANK YOU.
I DO HAVE TO SPONSORS WITH ME
TODAY AND ALEXANDER FROM NATURAL
RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL IN
MINNESOTA, A MEDAL FROM THE
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
THANK YOU. AFTERNOON. AFTERNOON
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I'M AN
ALEXANDER, SENIOR ATTORNEY WITH
THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL. PLEASED TO BE HERE AND
SUPPORT OF SB 12 95. THIS BILL
IS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THE
ENORMOUS CHALLENGE THAT
CALIFORNIA FACES IN REMEDIATING
ORPHAN WELLS. THE CHALLENGE IS
NOW STARKLY ON DISPLAY, WITH
SCORES OF WELLS THAT WERE
DISCOVERED WITHIN THE LAST MONTH
AND KERN COUNTY TO BE LEAKING,
pOF METHANE, WHICH IS A POTENT
GREENHOUSE GAS, AND IT'S ALSO
USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH AIR
TOXICS. AND OPERATE OVER THOSE
WELLS WAS DISCOVERED TO HAVE A
LONG HISTORY OF NON PAYMENT OF
FEES AND FINANCIAL INSOLVENCY.
BUT THESE CURRENT COUNTY WELLS
ARE ONLY THE TIP OF THE ORPHAN.
WELL, ICEBERG. IN 2018, THE
CALIFORNIA COUNCIL ON SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY ESTIMATED THAT
CALIFORNIA HAS MORE THAN 5000
WELLS WITHOUT A VIABLE OPERATOR
THAT WILL COST ROUGHLY HALF A
BILLION DOLLARS TO REMEDIATE.
THAT'S A FIGURE THAT FAR EXCEEDS
THE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE
COMING TO CALIFORNIA TO PAY FOR
ORPHAN. WELL CLEAN UP. AND THE
PROBLEM IS ONLY GOING TO GET
MORE SEVERE. OVER TIME.
CALIFORNIA'S OIL PRODUCTION HAS
BEEN HEADED DOWNWARD FOR DECADES
AS IT GETS HARDER AND HARDER TO
EXTRACT CRUDE FROM AGING FIELDS.
AND AS WELL AS PRODUCE LESS AND
LESS AND BECOME MORE
ECONOMICALLY MARGINAL. THEY ARE
ALSO THERE ARE OFTEN SOLD TO
LESS VIABLE OPERATORS. MOM WHO
THEN PROCEED TO WALK AWAY FROM
THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO PROPERLY
PLUGGED AND ABANDONED THE WELLS.
BUT THIS CHALLENGE IS NOT
INSURMOUNTABLE IF WE GET STARTED
NOW AND PROPERLY, FUND AND
STRUCTURE A REMEDY. SB 12 95 IS
A POSITIVE STEP IN THAT
DIRECTION, AND WE SUPPORT
CONTINUED COOPERATIVE
COOPERATIVE EFFORTS TO REFINE
IT. WE RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU. CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MELISSA
ROMERO WITH CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF SB 12 95 AS
CALIFORNIA'S OIL PRODUCTION
DECLINES IN THE STATE MAKES THE
NECESSARY SHIFT AWAY FROM OUR
DEPENDENCE ON FOSSIL FUELS. WE
MUST PLAN FOR PROPER AND
ADEQUATE PROTECTIONS SO THAT
TAXPAYERS AREN'T ON THE HOOK FOR
THE CLEANUP COSTS ASSOCIATED
WITH THE DECOMMISSIONING OF OIL
WELLS, THE STATE NEEDS TO HAVE
THE ABILITY TO COLLECT MORE
FRIENDS FROM THE OIL INDUSTRY
FOR THE REMEDIATION OF VISITORS
DESERTED OIL WELLS IN ORDER TO
MATCH EXPECTED FEDERAL AND STATE
DOLLARS DEDICATED TO CLEANING UP
ORPHAN AND ABANDONED OIL WELLS.
SB 12 95 PROVIDES EXACTLY THAT
BY ALLOWING THE FUNDS TO BE
USED. SO THAT SO THAT, UM, ONCE
THEIR RETAINED, THEY'RE ABLE TO
ROLL OVER AND ALSO ELIMINATING
THAT CAP ON SPENDING SO THAT THE
USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS AND STATE
FUNDS CAN CARRY FORWARD AND AS
THE ANALYSIS OUTLINES, THERE IS
ABOUT $30 MILLION WITHIN THE
BUDGET BILL THAT WAS SENT TO THE
GOVERNOR, WHICH WILL PROVIDE FOR
MATCHING FUNDS NEEDED TO ACCESS
FEDERAL GRANT. FUNDING THAT
STATE EXPECTS TO RECEIVE FROM
THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENT IN JOBS ACT FOR WELL
PLUGGING, REMEDIATION AND
STORAGE. IT'S CRITICAL THAT
CALIFORNIA CONTINUE TO ENSURE
THE POLLUTER PAYS PRINCIPLE. AND
GUIDES OUR POLICY DECISIONS
THROUGH THAT, AND THAT THE OIL
INDUSTRY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
SAFELY PLUGGING AND ABANDONING
WELLS AND CLEANING UP THESE
SITES, WHICH POSED TREMENDOUS
HEALTH AND SAFETY AND
ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS IN A
TIMELY MANNER. WANT TO THANK
SENATOR LUMENS CONSISTENT
LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSE AND
ENSURING THE POLLUTER PAYS
PRINCIPLE AND WE URGE YOUR
SUPPORT TODAY FOR SP TOLD 95.
THANK YOU. NEXT ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. VICTORIA ROME WITH NRDC,
BUT I WAS ASKED TO REGISTER
SUPPORT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
WORKING GROUP AND 3 50 SILICON
VALLEY. CAN REST AT THE CENTER
AND RACE, POVERTY AND THE
ENVIRONMENT SUPPORT IF AMENDED.
ARE THERE, WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS, PAUL DEAR OH,
REPRESENTING THE WESTERN STATES
PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION. I'M JUST
LAST YEAR WE HAD NEGOTIATED WITH
THE SENATOR. UH AN ORPHAN WELL
CAP, MOVING IT FROM ONE MILLION
TO THREE MILLION, UP TO FIVE
MILLION A YEAR IN PERPETUITY.
AH! THAT BILL ESSENTIALLY WOULD
LINK WHATEVER GENERAL FUND MONEY
IS ALLOCATED THROUGH THE BUDGET
PROCESS TO CAL JAM FOR THESE
PURPOSES. THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET
HAS $100 MILLION THIS YEAR AND
$100 MILLION NEXT YEAR. THE
BUDGET. AS NOTED IN YOUR
ANALYSIS, BOTH HOUSES OF THE
LEGISLATURE APPROVED $30 MILLION
CONTINGENT ON JET JET ON FEDERAL
FUNDING. WHICH WOULD BRING A $5
MILLION MATCH, WHICH WAS JUST
INCREASED LAST YEAR TO
POTENTIALLY $200 MILLION. OF
THOSE THAT'S PRIMARY. THE REASON
FOR OUR OPPOSITION. WE DON'T
OPPOSE THE GENERAL FUND
AUGMENTATION. WE DON'T OPPOSE TO
GETTING FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THIS
PURPOSE. THE MATCHING
REQUIREMENT GOING FROM FIVE TO
POTENTIALLY $200 MILLION IS
SOMETHING WE STRONGLY OPPOSE. WE
ALSO BELIEVE THE LABOR LANGUAGE
IN THE BILL IS UNNECESSARY AS IT
IT DOES NOT REFLECT THE LACK OF
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS FOR DOWN
HOLE WORK, AND THAT WAS RECENTLY
AMENDED. UM UM ON THE ISSUE OF
THE 5000 WELLS, AND THAT'S BEEN
TASKED IN ABOUT BY CAL JAM AND
SEE CST. UNDER OUR RESEARCH 66
OF THOSE 5400 WELLS ARE TRULY
ORPHANED. THE REST OF THOSE ARE
CALLED POTENTIALLY DESERTED
WELLS, WHERE THERE IS A
RESPONSIBLE OPERATOR, BUT THE
OPERATOR HAS NOT PAID THE IDOL
WEALTHY OVER THREE YEAR PERIOD.
SO CAL JIM IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO
GO OUT AND ASK THESE OPERATORS
WHAT THEY INTEND ON DOING WITH
THESE BILLS. SO WE TAKE SOME
POINT IN THAT I FOR THOSE
REASONS, WE OPPOSE THE BILL. I
WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR STAFF.
ON LINKING POTENTIALLY LINKING
THE. THE CAP TO WHAT CAL JIM CAN
EXPAND IN THE PRECEDING YEAR. SO
CAL JIM, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH
MONEY THEY HAVE, AND HOW MANY
CONTRACTORS ARE OUT THERE
PROBABLY CAN SPEND ABOUT MAYBE
$5 MILLION IN ANY YEAR. SO IF WE
LINK IT TO WHAT THEY CAN SPEND,
AS OPPOSED TO MATCHING A $5
MILLION CAPPED $200 MILLION.
THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT
IMPROVEMENT IN THE BILL WITH
WITH AN ADDITIONAL CAP. THANK
YOU. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS, SEAN
WALLENSTEIN FROM THE CALIFORNIA
INDEPENDENT PETROLEUM
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION TO THE
BILL. UM MR DE ROO MADE A LOT OF
VERY GOOD POINT. SO I ECHO THOSE
A COUPLE OF MISCONCEPTIONS IN
THE SUPPORT TESTIMONY. THE
COMMENT WAS MADE THAT WE NEED TO
GET GOING WELL. THE OIL INDUSTRY
HAS BEEN GOING FOR YEARS AND
YEARS AND YEARS, THIS
LEGISLATURE HAS WE HAVE
COOPERATED WITH YOU AND THE
ADMINISTRATION ON SOMETHING LIKE
THE IDOL WELL MANAGEMENT PLAN
WHICH WAS PASSED IN 2016 ARE OIL
PRODUCERS HAVE TO RE MEDIATE. A
CERTAIN PORTION OF THEIR WELL
STOCKED ANNUALLY. OKAY WE SPEND
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
EVERY YEAR. REMEDIATING IDLE
WELLS. THAT'S OUR MONEY, AND WE
RE MEDIATE THOSE WELL, SO THEY
DON'T BECOME ORPHAN WELLS. OKAY
WE ALSO MEMBERS ALSO PAY FEES
INTO THE MIDWIFE. THE HEAD WIFE
HAS ABOUT $20 MILLION IN IT, OR
IT SHOULD BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE IN 2020 BORROWED $10
MILLION FROM THAT FUND AND HAS
BEEN USING IT FOR PURPOSES OTHER
THAN REMEDIATING. THESE
DANGEROUS WELLS THAT WE KEEP
HEARING ABOUT. IF THERE IF IT'S
TRULY THE CRISIS, IT IS. THEN
WHY DOES THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE HAVE $10 MILLION OF OIL
MONEY THAT WE INVESTED FOR THIS
PURPOSE? AND IT'S BEING USED FOR
SOMETHING? WE CAN'T GET AN
ANSWER FOR WHERE IS THAT MONEY?
IF IT'S A CRISIS, IT SHOULD BE
IN THE FUND AND CAL JIM SHOULD
SPEND THE MONEY FOR THE PURPOSE,
WHICH WE INVESTED IT FOR. WE
CARE MORE THAN ANYONE, PERHAPS
ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH,
REMEDIATING ORPHAN WELLS WERE
THE ONES WHO TAKE THE HITS FOR
IT WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM, OK,
SO THERE'S ABOUT $25 MILLION IF
YOU COUNT IT ALL UP RIGHT NOW
THAT THE OIL INDUSTRY HAS FUNDED
TO RE MEDIATE ORPHAN WELLS. IT'S
NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T BEEN
INVESTING AND THE IDEA THAT THAT
WE NEED TO MATCH THE STATE. WELL
IT'S ONLY BEEN US ALL THESE
YEARS. IT'S NEVER BEEN THE
GENERAL FUND MEMBERS. THE
GENERAL FUND HAS NEVER ONE TIME
PAID TO RE MEDIATE AN ONSHORE.
ORPHANED WELL. IT'S ONLY THE OIL
INDUSTRY WHO'S DONE IT. SO THE
FACT THAT WE HAVE THIS MASSIVE
BUDGET SURPLUS AND THE STATE
SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO
ACCELERATE THIS. THIS PROGRAM.
THAT'S GREAT, LIKE PAUL SAID. WE
SUPPORT THAT. BUT WE DON'T
SUPPORT IS YOU, UH, ASKING US TO
PUT UP 100 MILLION THIS YEAR AND
100 MILLION NEXT YEAR MEMBERS
CAL GEMS ENTIRE BUDGET IS FUNDED
BY US EVERY CENT OF EVERY SALARY
, EVERY DOLLAR THAT CAL JIM
SPENDS HIS MONEY WE PAY AND THAT
BUDGET THIS YEAR IS ABOUT $100
MILLION. SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO
PUT UP ANOTHER 100 PLUS 505
MILLION MORE. ON TOP OF THE 100
MILLION YOU'RE ASKING US TO PUT
UP THIS YEAR? THAT IS A BURDEN
TOO HEAVY. WE'RE GONNA LOSE OIL
PRODUCER MEMBERS. WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE OIL PRODUCERS GO OUT OF
BUSINESS, PRIMARILY IN CURRENT
COUNTY. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE
UNEMPLOYMENT RISE AS WE'RE
EDGING INTO A RECESSION, IT'S
ILL ADVISED. MEMBERS. THAT'S WHY
WE OPPOSE THE BILL. THANK YOU
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES, AN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE JEREMY SAMANTHA ON
BEHALF OF THE STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL,
ALSO IN OPPOSITION. NEXT
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MONNING. HAVE
SEEN UN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
? THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO
GO ON RECORD, SAYING THAT THE
STATE ALSO DID NOT DRILL A WELL
OR MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF IT.
WHICH IS WHY WE ARE WORKING WITH
THE INDUSTRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW
WE RE MEDIATE THOSE ISSUES. I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS ABOUT
ENSURING THAT TAXPAYERS DON'T
BEAR THE BRUNT OF THIS ENTIRE
PROBLEM. SO WHETHER WE ADDRESS
IT NOW OR IN THE FUTURE, I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT
ADDITIONALLY THIS IS THIS WILL
NEVER BE AN ISSUE. IF THERE THIS
IS THIS BILL ONLY APPLIES WHEN
THERE IS A GENERAL FUND, A
CALIFORNIA TAXPAYER DOLLAR
GENERAL FUND MATCHED IF THERE IS
NONE IN THE BUDGET, WHICH THERE
HASN'T EVER BEEN BEFORE, THEN
ACTUALLY DOESN'T APPLY TO ANY
PARTICULAR INCREASE OF THE MONEY
THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN. SO WITH
THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN
I VOTE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A
MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
FRIEDMAN, SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BOERNER HORVATH
. SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
. THE MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS RIVAS. RIVAS I
FLORA NÓ. FLOOR AND NO
BOERNER HORVATH. BOERNER HORVATH
I. FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I GARCIA.
GARCIA MATHIS. MATH IS SNOW
MCCARTHY MURATSUCHI. MURATSUCHI
I SAY ARTO?SEYARTO NO STONE.
STONE. I WOULD WOULD I? BILL HAS
SEVEN VOTES. IT'S OUT. THANK YOU
. THANK YOU. NEXT WERE MOVED TO
ITEM 14 SP 13 14, ALSO BY
SENATOR LEHMAN, THANK YOU. CHAIR
AND MEMBERS SP 13 14 14 ENSURES
THAT CARBON CAPTURE IS NOT USED
TO INCREASE OIL PRODUCTION. ANY
MISSIONS THROUGH A RISKY PROCESS
KNOWN AS ENHANCED OIL RECOVERY.
OREO ARE YOU ARE PRESENT SERIOUS
HEALTH SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL
RISK, PARTICULARLY FOR
MARGINALIZED FRONTLINE
COMMUNITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, IN
2020 A C 02 PIPELINE NEWS FOR E
OR RUPTURED IN MISSISSIPPI,
RESULTING IN A LOCAL EVACUATION
AND CAUSING 45 PEOPLE TO BE
HOSPITALIZED AS A RESULT OF THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE
PIPELINES AND HAZARDOUS
MATERIALS SAFETY ADMINISTRATION
FISMA JUST ANNOUNCED LAST MONTH
THAT THEY WILL BE ENTERING INTO
RULEMAKING. TO UPDATE THE CO TWO
PIPELINE SAFETY STANDARDS.
BESIDES SAFETY CONCERNS ARE
RECENT ANALYSIS FOUND THAT
EXPANDING YOUR WOULD LEAD
DIRECTLY TO OVER FIVE MILLION
METRIC TONS OF NET CO. TWO
EMISSIONS ANNUALLY AND MAY
INCREASE CARBON EMISSIONS
OVERALL, ACCORDING TO THE
JOURNAL OF ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY, CITED 2009. IF
CARBON CAPTURE IS REALLY A TOOL
TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF
CLIMATE CRISIS, THEN WHY WOULD
WE AS A STATE PERMITTED TO BE
USED TO INCREASE OIL PRODUCTION?
TO BE CLEAR THIS BILL DOES NOT
PREVENT CARBON CAPTURE FOR
MOVING FORWARD IN THE STATE. BUT
IT SAYS APPROPRIATE GUARDRAILS
TO ENSURE THAT WE TRULY
PRIORITIZE OUR CLIMATE GOALS. AS
CONVERSATIONS CONTINUE AROUND
THE FUTURE OF CCS IN THE STATE.
WE MUST MAKE IT CLEAR THAT
INCREASING OIL PRODUCTION AND
EMISSIONS WILL NOT HELP THE
STATE ACHIEVE OUR CLIMATE GOALS.
WITH ME TODAY. WE HAVE ANABEL
MARQUEZ, UH, WITH ASSAD AGAIN,
TRANSLATING IF NEEDED, AND
MELISSA ROMERO IN SUPPORT OF 13
14. WHEN I STARTED GRACIAS,
SARNO'S NOMBRES MARQUEZ EVEN GO
THE LAST YEAR, THIS CHAPTER
PRESIDENT COMMITTEE, BUT I WON'T
CHAPTER MY HORSE. TURNS KOREA.
THE PETROLEUM, CALIFORNIA.
SYSTEMATIC COMMENT. THE CALORIC. E MONEY THAT WAS INGRID.
PETROLEUM GAS. TAMINA, A SERIOUS
PROBLEM AS PERSONAS VIVEN CIRCA
THE ASTHMA CANCER. NASCIMENTO
SAD VERSUS CARDIOVASCULAR
DISEASE. THROUGH THE SOVIET
REPORT. LIKE ON THIS, LIKE
RHODESIA INDUSTRIAL PETROLEO
JOSEPH REMAINED MIENTRAS
PERFORMANCE IN WESTERN BASIN
DARIUS EMPEROR SO CALLED ASIA
AUMENTADO LIKE CHRIS'S CLIMATIC
TO CRIMINAL CLIMATIC Ó.
CLIMATIC, A SIGNIFICANT EVA.
LIKE ABDULLAH. MÀ AUMENTO CARBON
ZERO CC A. C. C. U. S. S SOLO.
PIMCO'S. RIGA'S GRAPHIC COMPANY
THAT IS THE CALORIC. NEITHER
BACKWARD TORSOS, CARBONI CORADO
, SAID. LISA RECUPERATION
PETROLEUM MARSEILLE IN
PROGRAMMING, CLIMATIC. OH, OKAY.
QUADRUPLE ICKA MISSIONS.
CARBONNEAU EMBARGO CC WITH
SOLOIST RENTABLE. EMPRESAS
VIDEOS MASEBO. LOOKING AT THIS,
UM, A GRANDDAD REAL REGARD
AVILES SIMILAR TO THE VILLAGE
ABILITY IS THE MEDIA NIST LAST
INDUSTRY AS COMBUSTIBLE FORCES
LIST. SO CORADO PASSION PETROLEO
DANIEL DIRECTAMENTE, ALASKA,
LAMIA EVEN BACA WIGAN. CERCA DE
LAS, THE LAST OR TOXIC A
PETROLEO. CARBONNEAU PARALLEL
PETROLEO AS SOON AS FOR MY
EXTREME ALEJO'S SHIN, SIMILAR,
THE FRACKING. CARBONNEAU MUST
PELIGRO SUPPORT IMPLICATED
THREE OF US. EXT. ASPHYXIATION
IMMORTAL. BE HONEST, BE HONEST.
THE DOLLAR IS MEAL IS THE DOLLAR
REST UNIDA. MADRE DELLA CINDY,
AUSTRIA'S. CAPITAL. ESTÁ MUST.
VIVIAN DORI TOWN A SOUP SOON BE
THE VEGAS. ENTHUSES RADIOS NORTH
NOTHING. MEDIA CIRCUS MOSQUITO
SCARY DOES. THE SINK IN LOVE
PERFECTION. OLYMPIA ALSO CHOSE
MITT CARBON W DECONTAMINATION.
DODD PETROLEO PERSONAS. YOU'RE
THE EGO. PRICK GUNNERY GONNA,
YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THE
NARROW MONTHS. PADRE PIO
PERSONAS INCAPACITY COMPOSITE TO
PERSONAS INCAPACITY CONCEPT.
CHICA THE BY THE OTHER GODS.
KANSEN. FOR THE INTERESTS OF
CONTAMINATION. GRACIAS. CAN SEE
A LOT OF ELECTRICITY. QATAR'S
GRACIAS MUCHAS GRACIAS. GRACIAS.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A TRANCE
TRANSLATOR? OKAY PLEASE GO AHEAD
. I UNDERSTOOD IT ALSO. SAID IN
ENGLISH. HELLO MY NAME IS ANABEL
MARQUEZ, 11 SHAFTER, AND I'M, A
PRESIDENT OF A COMMUNITY GROUP
CALLED COMMITTEE FOR A BETTER
SHAFTER. CURRENT COUNTY IS HOME
TO ABOUT 75% OF THE OF STATES
OIL AND GAS EXTRACTION, WHICH
SYSTEMATICALLY TARGETS
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES LIKE MINE
BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM.
OIL AND GAS EXTRACTION, POLLUTES
THE AIR, WATER AND SOIL AND
CAUSES SERIOUS PROBLEMS FOR
PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR IT, LIKE
ASTHMA, CANCER, ADVERSE BIRTH
OUTCOMES AND CARDIOVASCULAR
DISEASE. MAKING ME FEEL
FRUSTRATED, REALIZING THAT MY
COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN'T EVEN
PROTECT THEIR OWN BABIES WHEN
THEY'RE IN THEIR ROOM. THE OIL
AND GAS OR WHEN CAPTURED. CARBON
IS USED FOR ENHANCED OIL
RECOVERY. IT CANNOT BE CALLED A
CLIMATE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT
QUADRUPLES CARBON EMISSIONS. YET
CCS IS ONLY COST EFFECTIVE FOR
COMPANY WITH MASSIVE SUBSIDIES.
MAKING IT A HUGE GOVERNMENT
HANDOUT TO FOSSIL FUEL COMPANIES
WITHOUT THE BENEFITS FOR THE
PUBLIC. IN ADDITION TO DRIVING
CLIMATE CHANGE WITH INCREASED
CARBON EMISSIONS USING CAPTURED
CARBON FOR ENHANCED OIL RECOVERY
DIRECTLY HARMS COMMUNITIES LIKE
MINE WHO LIVE WORK AND PLAY NEXT
TO THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRIES.
TOXIC OPERATIONS. ENHANCED OIL
RECOVERY IS AN EXTREME FORM OF
OIL AND GAS EXTRACTION SIMILAR
TO FRACKING WHILE ALL E O. R IS
DANGEROUS USING CARBON DIOXIDE
IS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS. BECAUSE
IT INVOLVES A DEADLY
ASPHYXIATING GAS TO PRESSURE OLD
OILFIELDS WITH MANY EXISTING
WELLS, A SCHOOL IN WYOMING HOW
THEIR ENTIRE YEAR HAD TO CLOSE
FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR WHEN AN
ABANDONED OIL WELL STARTED
LEAKING CARBON DIOXIDE BECAUSE
OF A NEARBY OIL E O ARE USING
CARBON DIOXIDE. WE DO NOT WANT
THIS TO HAPPEN IN CHAPTER OR
ANYWHERE ELSE ACROSS THE STATE.
ONE THING SHE DID SHARE IS FOR
THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN
SPEAKING FROM THE INDUSTRY. THEY
SPEAK IN LOS IN DOLLARS AND FOR
COMMUNITY MEMBERS LIKE ANNABELLE
. THEY SPEAK IN LOS WHEN IT
COMES TO LIVES, AND FOR HER, SHE
ASKS WHY THEIR LIVES HAVE A
DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THEM. ON BEHALF
OF MY COMMUNITY AND OTHERS LIKE
MINE. I IMPLORE YOU NOT TO
STUMBLE INTO THIS CLIMATE DEAD,
END FOR AND HELP COMMUNITIES AND
THE CLIMATE VOTE YES ON SB 13 14
WE CONNECT WITNESS. THANK YOU.
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. UM
A LOT OF IMPORTANT POINTS WERE
ALREADY COVERED IN THE FIRST
TESTIMONY, SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
AND MELISSA ROMERO WITH THE
ORGANIZATION IN STRONG SUPPORT
OF SB 13 14, WHICH WOULD
PROHIBIT THE USE OF CAPTURED
CARBON FOR ENHANCED OIL
RECOVERY, WHICH IS A PROCESS
THAT UTILIZES CARBON THAT IS
CAPTURED FROM C. C. U. S
TECHNOLOGY FOR THE PURPOSES OF
INJECTING IT INTO THE GROUND TO
EXTRACT FROM MORE OIL DRILLING
FOR OIL AND EXTENDING THE
LIFETIME OF FOSSIL FUELS, AND
OUR RELIANCE ON FOSSIL FUELS
DOES NOT AND SHOULD NEVER COUNT
AS CLIMATE ACTION. THAT IS THE
BOTTM LINE. WE URGE THE
LEGISLATURE TO TAKE A HARD
STANCE ON THE ISSUE OF
PROHIBITING ENHANCED OIL
RECOVERY A PERMANENT AND FULL
BAN WHILE ALSO ENSURING THAT ANY
POLICY THAT ADVANCES CC US
CAREFULLY CONSIDERS THE CLIMATE
AND HEALTH IMPLICATIONS. OF THE
USE OF THE TECHNOLOGY, THE
TRANSPORT OF C 02, AND IN THIS
CASE, THE ULTIMATE USE OF
CAPTURED CARBON. WE'RE JUST
SUPPORTED 13 14 AND ALSO WANT TO
ADD THAT WHILE THE ANALYSIS
INCLUDES A LITTLE LESS THAN 30
SUPPORTERS THERE ARE OVER 80
ORGANIZATIONS IN SUPPORT OF THE
BILL, AND WE URGE YOUR I VOTE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU NEXT,
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. MINISTER ROBERTO GARCIA. HAS
TO BE. WITNESSES. WHEN I STARTED
, HERNANDEZ. DAN REST WITH THE
CENTER AND RACE, POVERTY AND THE
ENVIRONMENT AND SUPPORT OF SB 13
14. VINCE, WHERE MODULE WITH
CLIMATE CENTER AND SUPPORT. MARK
FINSTER MAKER ON BEHALF OF
EARTH, JUSTICE AND SUPPORT.
PROCEDURE MADRIGAL AS A RESIDENT
OF PRESIDENT, COUNTY AND SUPPORT. GENEVIEVE AMSALEM ON BEHALF OF
THE CENTRAL CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NETWORK
AND SUPPORT. HELICAL LOPEZ,
RESIDENT OF SHAFTER, PART OF THE
COMMITTEE FOR A BETTER SHAFTER
AND PART OF THE BEEF EVE, THE
BABY 617 STEERING COMMITTEE AND
SUPPORT. VICTORIA'S ROME WITH AN
RDC AND SUPPORT. RUTH MCDONALD,
3 50 SACRAMENTO IN SUPPORT.
HERNANDEZ WITH THE CENTRAL
VALLEY AIR QUALITY COALITION AND
SUPPORT ALSO REGISTERING SUPPORT
FOR THE FRENCH COMMITTEE ON
LEGISLATION. FRANCISCO BAY
PHYSICIANS FOR SOCIAL
RESPONSIBILITY AND FERNANDO
CLIMATE REALITY, CLEAN WATER
ACTION AND 3 50 BAY AREA ACTION.
HI RAQUEL MASON REGISTERING
SUPPORT FOR THE CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ALLIANCE.
ASIAN PACIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL
NETWORK PHYSICIANS FOR SOCIAL
RESPONSIBILITY LOS ANGELES
COMMUNITIES FOR A BETTER
ENVIRONMENT AND LEADERSHIP
COUNCIL FOR JUSTICE AND
ACCOUNTABILITY. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. GRACIAS NEXT, ANY WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION. GRACIAS.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS ZACHARY ON BEHALF OF THE
WESTERN STATES PETROLEUM
ASSOCIATION AND WERE FORGETTABLE
OPPOSITION TO SB 13 14 THAT
UNFORTUNATELY, BANZA
SCIENTIFICALLY SUPPORTED WAY.
TEST STORE CARBON THAT IS
CAPTURED FROM THE ATMOSPHERE VIA
MANUFACTURING, REFINING OR OTHER
FACILITIES AND PERMANENTLY
STORING IT UNDERGROUND WITH
ENHANCED OIL RECOVERY. UH AS
YOU'VE HEARD TODAY, I THINK
THERE'S BEEN A ROBUST DISCUSSION
AROUND CCS. AND YOU'VE HEARD ALL
THE STUDIES THAT HAVE SUPPORTED
IT. AND YOU KNOW, A RB ALSO AND
ANALYZING THE 2045 CARBON
NEUTRALITY GOALS IN 2030 GOALS.
RECOGNIZE THAT IN ALL FOUR OF
THEIR SCENARIOS THAT THEY'VE
ANALYZED THAT CCS DOES PLAY A
ROLE, UH, IN REACHING THOSE
CLIMATE TARGETS. BUT REGRETTABLY
, SP 13 14 STIFLES THIS
INNOVATION AND CCS BY BANNING A
SPECIFIC FORM OF SEQUESTRATION
CO. TWO E O. R. AH THIS PROCESS
HAS BEEN USED FOR YEARS SINCE
THE SEVENTIES, USING C 02 FROM
NATURALLY OCCURRING CEO TWO AND
RESERVOIRS, ESSENTIALLY TAKING
NOW IN CALIFORNIA, BEING ABLE TO
CAPTURE CARBON TURN IT INTO
LIQUEFIED NATE STATE AND PUT IT
IN THE PIPELINE. PUMP IT
UNDERGROUND. ENHANCE THE OIL AND
RECOVER IT. AND STORING THAT
CARBON PERMANENTLY. THERE'S BEEN
NUMEROUS STUDIES AND BY THE
CLEAN AIR TASK FORCE WHO
TESTIFIED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
AT THE JOINT LEGISLATIVE CLIMATE
CHANGE COMMITTEE. THEY'VE DONE.
ANALYSIS ON 02 C 02 E O. R. THEY
RECOGNIZE THAT IT HAS THE
POTENTIAL TO REDUCE CARBON
EMISSIONS BY UP TO 37. THIS BILL
. UNFORTUNATELY IT IS ALSO
CONTRARY TO CARBS LOW CARBON
FUEL STANDARD PROGRAM THAT THEY
DEVELOPED A PROTOCOL IN 2000 AND
18 THAT ALLOWED C 02 E O. R AS A
SUITABLE FORM TO REDUCE THE
CARBON INTENSITY. OF FUELS IN
CALIFORNIA, WHICH IS THE GOAL OF
THE PROGRAM AND ALSO TO ALLOW IT
TO STORE THAT CARBON TO APPLY
FOR THOSE CREDITS. UNFORTUNATELY
THIS BILL BANDS, CLIMATE TOOL. I
THINK CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN REALLY
AGGRESSIVE ON ITS CLIMATE GOALS
. BUT UNFORTUNATELY TIMID ON THE
TOOLS AND UNFORTUNATELY SP 13 14
TAKES AWAY A TOOL. THAT COULD BE
UTILIZED IN CALIFORNIA. AND
RESPECTFULLY, UH, MUST OPPOSED
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE JEREMY SMITH HERE
AGAIN TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE
STATE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION
TRADES COUNCIL. WE REMAIN
STRONGLY OPPOSED. SB 13 14. WE
BELIEVE THIS BILL WOULD SET US
BACK FROM BEING ABLE TO PRODUCE
THE ENERGY THAT WE NEED. AH IN
THE CLEANEST WAY IN THE WORLD
RIGHT HERE IN CALIFORNIA. IT'S
YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER
ATTEMPT TO SHUT DOWN THE OIL AND
GAS INDUSTRY IN CALIFORNIA. THAT
RIGHT NOW PROVIDES THOUSANDS OF
GOOD JOBS FOR OUR BUILDING
TRADES MEMBERS. THERE IS NO
DISCUSSION IN THIS BILL OF A
JUST TRANSITION. THIS IS AN
EXTREMIST POLITICAL IDEOLOGY
THAT IS NOT SUPPORTED OR
ACTUALLY IS NOT SUPPORTED BY
FACTS. UM ONE FACT THAT WAS
MENTIONED EARLIER IS THAT CARBON
CAPTURE IS SAFE AND USED AROUND
THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT
NEW. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
WOULD JUST INVENTED ANOTHER FACT
IS THAT WE WILL BE DEPENDENT ON
THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. FOR AT
LEAST SEVERAL DECADES. THERE ARE
FAMILIES RIGHT NOW BYE MINIVANS
FOR THEIR FOR THEIR LARGE
FAMILIES FOR THEIR FOR THEIR
KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO NEED TO
DRIVE THOSE MINIVANS FOR THE
NEXT DECADE, AND THOSE MINIVANS
ARE POWERED BY AN INTERNAL
COMBUSTION ENGINE. UM AND
THERE'S MILLIONS MORE LIKE THEM
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, YOU
KNOW, OVER 20 MILLION CARS ON
THE ROAD RIGHT NOW. ANOTHER FACT
IS THAT GIVEN THAT WE NEED THIS
INDUSTRY FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL
DECADES TO PROVIDE THE ENERGY
THAT WE SHOULD BE PRODUCING AN
INJURY HERE, UM AND NOT IN SAUDI
ARABIA OR RUSSIA OR OTHER
COUNTRIES WHERE THE LABOR AND
ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS ARE SUCH
THAT WORKERS AND THE ENVIRONMENT
SUFFER DRASTICALLY. WE SHOULD BE
AND CAN BE PRODUCING THE ENERGY
THAT WE NEED IN CALIFORNIA WITH
THE MOST CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY
AVAILABLE RIGHT HERE. WE SPOKE
TO A LARGE OIL COMPANY IN TEXAS
RECENTLY THAT WILL BE BRINGING
OIL FROM THE PERMIAN BASIN IN
WEST TEXAS TO MARKET AS A SUB
ZERO CARBON PRODUCT HERE IN
CALIFORNIA AND THE TECHNOLOGY
CAPITAL OF THE WORLD THAT WE ALL
LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. IF SB 13 14
BECOMES LAW, WE WILL BE
PROHIBITED FROM USING THAT
TECHNOLOGY TO DO THE SAME.
CARBON CAPTURE GIVES US THE
OPPORTUNITY IN CALIFORNIA TO
MEET THE CLIMATE CRISIS CRISIS
AND TO PROVIDE FOR A TRUE JUST
TRANSITION TO WORDS THAT GET
THROWN AROUND IN THIS CAPITAL A
LOT. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS FOR
THE MEMBERS THAT I REPRESENT IS
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO REMAIN
INDUSTRIAL WORKERS. WORKERS WHO
ARE PROUD OF THEIR CAREERS.
PROUD OF THE WAGES AND BENEFITS
OF THOSE JOBS. GIVE THEM AND
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO REMAIN
INDUSTRIAL WORKERS BY USING NEW
TECHNOLOGIES OR TECHNOLOGIES
SUCH AS C. C U. S THAT WILL BE
USED TO PRODUCE OUR ENERGY
NEEDS. BUT ONLY IF WE EMBRACE
SCIENCE OVER POLITICS ON BEHALF
OF OUR HALF A MILLION MEMBERS.
WE ARE RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED. SB
13 URGENT. NO VOTE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS, VIRGIL WALSH
AGAIN WITH THE CALIFORNIA CARBON
CAPTURE COALITION FOR THE
REASONS YOU JUST HEARD ALSO
OPPOSED. THANK YOU. CHAIR
MEMBERS DEAN TALLY ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS AND
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. MANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM THE COMMITTEE.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR, SENATOR. I'M
JUST CURIOUS. IS THAT YOUR
DESIRE? TWO JOINT SB 11. OH, ONE
CAVIAR. OH, TO THIS AS WELL AS
SHE STATED. DO YOU SHARE THAT
SAME DESIRE THAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN IF BOTH OF THESE BILLS
MOVE FORWARD, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SENATOR
LEHMAN FOR THIS BILL, UM WOULD
APPRECIATE IT. IF YOU CAN ADD ME
AS A CO AUTHOR. I THINK THE
BOTTOM LINE AS THE UNITED
NATIONS IPCC HAS MADE IT CLEAR
IS THAT FOR THE WORLD AND FOR
OUR COUNTRY AS WELL AS FOR
CALIFORNIA TO REACH OUR CLIMATE
GOALS. WE NEED TO PHASE OUT OUR
RELIANCE ON FOSSIL FUELS. CARBON
CAPTURE AND STORAGE SHOULD NOT
BE USED TO ENHANCE OIL RECOVERY.
THAT IS CONTRADICTORY TO THE
FUNDAMENTAL GOAL THAT WE NEED TO
ACHIEVE TO SAVE OUR PLANET. AND
SO FOR THAT REASON THAT VERY
SIMPLE REASON. I WILL BE
SUPPORTING A BILL. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM THE COMMITTEE. OKAY. SEE
NONE. THANK YOU. I WILL BE
SUPPORTING THIS BILL TODAY. UM
LIKE I MENTIONED DURING SENATOR
CABALLERO'S PRESENTATION. I AM
NOT JOINING THE BILLS THAT THAT
THIS IS NOT COMING FROM THIS
COMMITTEE. EACH BILL WAS HEARD
ON ITS OWN MERIT AND EVALUATED
AND ANALYZED. UH THAT IS YOUR
DECISION IF YOU DECIDE TO DO
THAT, MOVING FORWARD. SO I WILL
BE SUPPORTING. WE HAVE A MOTION
FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FRIEDMAN,
SECOND FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BOERNER HORVATH. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT
TO GO ON RECORD AND SAYING THAT
CURRENTLY NO ONE IS USING
ENHANCED OR RECOVERY. FOUR CCS
IN THE STATE, SO THIS IS NOT A
TOOL THAT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY.
IT'S A TOOL THAT IS VERY CLEAR
TO TYING THIS TO A CLIMATE
STRATEGY AS OPPOSED TO AN OIL
PRODUCTION STRATEGY. SO I THINK
WITH THAT I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
MY VOTE. THANK YOU. SECRETARY.
POLICE CALL THE ROLL. MOTION IS
DUE PAST TWO APPROPRIATIONS.
RIVAS I FLORA NO
BOERNER HORVATH. BOERNER HORVATH
I, FRIEDMAN I GARCIA. GARCIA, I
MATHIS. MATHIS NÓ MCCARTHY MERIT
SUKI SUKI, I SEYARTO SEYARTO NO
STONE. STONE. I WOULD WOULD I?
THAT BILL HAS SEVEN VOTES. IT'S
OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE TWO BILLS LEFT ITEM 16 AND
17. WE'LL START WITH ITEM 16. SB
11 36 BY SENATOR PORTANTINO. SEE
YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE GO AHEAD AND START WHEN
YOU'RE READY. I'LL BE BRIEF.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS TODAY I'M
PRESENTING SB 11 36 THE
STREAMLINED THE CALIFORNIA SEQUA
PROCESS FOR PROJECTS THAT MEET
REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY
TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE'S
CLIMATE GOALS. I'D LIKE TO START
BY ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS IN COMMENT. THREE ON
PAGE THREE AND FOUR OF THE
ANALYSIS AND THANK THE CHAIR AND
HER STAFF ARE WORKING WITH MY
STAFF AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY MEETING
ARE AMBITIOUS CLIMATE GOALS WILL
TAKE A MASSIVE COORDINATED
EFFORT AS WELL AS SIGNIFICANT
INVESTMENT AND DEVELOPMENT
PROJECTS THAT ARE WEIGHTED DOWN
WITH AN INCOME. INCONSISTENT
ADMINISTRATIVE DELAYS DO NOT
SERVE THE ENVIRONMENT DOES NOT
SERVE THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA.
UM SO THAT'S WHY SB 11 36 IS
NECESSARY TO ELIMINATE
UNNECESSARY LAYERS OF
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. WITHOUT
COMPROMISING ENVIRONMENTAL
PROTECTION. IT WILL ALSO EXPAND
THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT
QUALIFY UNDER FOCUSED
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, AND IT
WILL HELP FACILITATE THESE
CLIMATE ORIENTED PROJECTS BY BY
PROVIDING A CERTAINTY IN DESIGN
, FINANCING AND PERMITTING
RESPECTFULLY ASPIRIN. I VOTE
WHEN APPROPRIATE, APPRECIATE THE
SECOND AND THE MOTION. AND I
HAVE JERRY MR JEREMY SMITH, THE
STATE BUILDING TRADES COUNCIL
HERE TO TESTIFY AS WELL. GO
AHEAD, JEREMY. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
AGAIN. JEREMY SMITH, YOU ON
BEHALF OF THE STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL,
THANKFULLY AND SUPPORT IN FRONT
OF YOU FOR A BILL NOW. UM AH. I
APPRECIATE THE MOTION IN THE
SECOND. I JUST WANT TO SAY A
COUPLE THINGS FIRST, PROVIDING
CENTRALIZED, ENVIRONMENTAL
PERMITTING AND STREAMLINING FOR
THE INSTALLATION OF POLLUTION
CONTROL EQUIPMENT. TO MEET STATE
AND LOCAL CARBON REDUCTION GOALS
IS GOOD NOT ONLY FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT BUT FOR LOCAL JOBS
AND LANGUAGE IN THE BILL,
MANDATING PREVAILING WAGES IN
THE SKILLED AND TRAINED
WORKFORCE BE USED, WILL PROVIDE
FAMILY SUSTAINING LOCAL JOBS SO
THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE CARRIED
OUT BY WORKERS FROM CALIFORNIA.
UM I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE THE
SENATOR'S AUTHORSHIP OF THE BILL
AND HIS COMMENTS AND I'LL LEAVE
IT THERE AND HER DRIVE. OH,
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE IN SUPPORT? OF SB 11
36. SEE NONE. ANYONE IN
OPPOSITION TO SB 11 36. HMM.
YOU'RE SURROUNDED. GOOD MA'AM
MELISSA ROMERO WITH CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS HERE AGAIN
, UM, I WANTED TO SAY THAT I
KNOW THAT THE AUTHOR HAS AGREED
TO ACCEPT AMENDMENTS FROM THE
COMMITTEE. SO UM, YOU KNOW IF
THE AUTHOR DOES ACCEPT THOSE
AMENDMENTS OUTLINING THE
COMMITTEE ANALYSIS, WHICH TOUCH
ON TWO OF OUR MAIN CONCERNS
PENDING, OF COURSE, THE REVIEW
OF THAT LANGUAGE AFTER ITS
AMENDED WE DEFINITELY WANT TO IN
PRINCIPLE. JUST SAY THAT WE
WOULD ABSOLUTELY CONSIDER MOVING
OUR OPPOSITION AND REALLY WANT
TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR HIS WORK
WITH THE COMMITTEE AND AGREEING
TO MAKE THOSE IMPORTANT CHANGES
THAT ADDRESS ARE SIGNIFICANT
CONCERNS. UM THE CONCERNS ALLOW
OUTLINE IN MY TESTIMONY ARE
BASED ON THE BILL IN PRINT. SO
JUST CAVEAT IN WITH THAT, UM,
THE BILL AND PRINT WOULD ALLOW
THE OIL INDUSTRY AND OTHER HEAVY
POLLUTING INDUSTRIES TO TAKE
SHORTCUTS IN THEIR DISCLOSURE OF
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. ANY TIME
THEY CAN CLAIM A PROJECT. WILL
BE COMPLETED FOR THE PURPOSE OF
COMPLIANCE WITH THE ROLLER
REGULATION OR IS CLAIMED TO BE
BENEFICIAL TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE BILL
WOULD ALLOW PROJECT PROPONENTS
TO CONDUCT A VERY NARROW
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. WITHOUT
ACKNOWLEDGING OR PUTTING INTO
CONTEXT, OTHER CONSEQUENTIAL
PROJECTS THAT ARE OCCURRING AT
THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME
COMMUNITY, AND THE BILL, AS IS
WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE ALLOWED A
PROJECT TO AVOID SCRUTINY. A
FENCE LINE EMISSIONS LIKE
PARTICULAR MATTER. IT'S A
SIMILAR ANALYSIS HAD BEEN
ATTEMPTED IN A MASTER E I R OR
IN AN ER FOR THE RELEVANT
PROGRAM, AND THIS WOULD
UNDOUBTEDLY BE HARMFUL TO
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE OVER ALREADY
OVERBURDENED WITH COMMUNITY
CUMULATIVE IMPACTS. FOR MULTIPLE
POLLUTION SOURCES. A SIGNIFICANT
CONCERN OF THE BILL AND PRINT IS
PARTICULARLY THE BROAD SCOPE OF
THE BILL, WHICH WOULD HAVE
APPLIED TO COMPLIANCE WITH
RULES, REGULATIONS AND
REQUIREMENTS OF CARB, LOCAL AIR
DISTRICTS. THE STATE WATER BOARD
REGIONAL WATER BOARDS. DTSC
CALVER CYCLE. IT SEEMS LIKE
VIRTUALLY ANY PROJECT PROPONENT
COULD CLAIM THAT THEY ARE
CARRYING OUT A PROJECT TO COMPLY
WITH REGULATION. GIVEN THIS
BROAD LANGUAGE IN THE CURRENT
VERSION OF THE BILL, UM AND THE
WAY THIS BILL IS WRITTEN,
CURRENTLY COULD ALSO HAVE
POTENTIALLY STALLED GOOD
ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECTS LIKE
ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS THAT
SAVE CONSUMERS MONEY AND HELP TO
ACHIEVE CLIMATE GOALS. UM THIS
BILL, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD IMPACT
THE CPU CS PROGRAM THAT
INCENTIVIZES THE INSTALLATION OF
ENERGY EFFICIENCY EQUIPMENT AND
HOME WEATHERIZATION FOR HOMES
AND DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
WELL SEQUEL HAS NOT HISTORICALLY
APPLIED TO THOSE PROGRAMS. SO
CAVEAT IN THAT THAT THOSE ARE
THE CONCERNS WITH THE BILL AND
PRINT AND APPRECIATE THE
AUTHORS, UM, ACCEPTING THE
AMENDMENTS. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY
CONSIDER MOVING OUR OPPOSITION
AFTER A REVIEW OF THE LANGUAGE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT
WITNESS. THANK YOU. UM YEAH,
SAME CAVEAT. OUR OPPOSITION IS
DUE TO THE BILL AS WRITTEN, AND
WE ALSO WILL BE LOOK FORWARD TO
REVIEWING THE AMENDMENTS AND, UM
BELIEVE THEY ADDRESS THEM THE
MAJORITY OF OUR CONCERNS. UM BUT
AS WRITTEN, UM RAQUEL NIELSEN,
POLICY MANAGER WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
ALLIANCE. UM WE ARE DEEPLY
CONCERNED ABOUT, UM THE IMPACT
THAT THIS COULD HAVE ON
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES BY EXPANDING THE
FOCUSED E I R ELIGIBILITY. THIS
BILL COULD ALLOW ANY PROJECT
UNDER THE BROAD BANNER OF
ACHIEVING COMPLIANCE TO ENJOY
EXPEDITED REVIEW. MANY OF YOU
HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY HERE
FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS TODAY WHO
WOKE UP EARLY GOT ON A BUS TO
DRIVE UP HERE AND SHARE THEIR
CONCERNS WITH YOU ABOUT CC US
PROJECTS, AND IT'S THESE
CONCERNS THAT ALSO APPLY TO THIS
BILL AS WRITTEN, THEY CAME HERE
BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT IT'S
CRITICAL THAT YOU ALL HEAR
DIRECTLY FROM THEM ABOUT THEIR
CONCERNS. AND HOW, UM AND IF
PASSED IN ITS CURRENT WRITTEN
FORM, SB11 36 WILL DENY THESE
COMMUNITIES THE VERY OPPORTUNITY
TO CONTINUE TO SHARE PROJECT
SPECIFIC CONCERNS AND FULLY
UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THESE
NEW TECHNOLOGIES ON THEIR
COMMUNITIES. AND THE FULL SECRET
PROCESS ENSURES THAT LOCAL
IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING
COMMUNITIES ARE REVIEWED AND
CUMULATIVE IMPACTS ARE WELL
UNDERSTOOD. WE'D LIKE TO THANK
COMMITTEE STAFF AND THE AUTHORS
OFFICE FOR WORKING TOGETHER ON A
CRAFTING AMENDMENTS THAT AGAIN I
THINK WE'LL ADDRESS OUR BROAD
CONCERNS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO
REMOVING THEM IN FULL WITH OUR
COALITION PARTNERS. BUT HAS IT
STANDS TODAY? WE BELIEVE IT
COULD RESULT IN THE EXPEDITION
OF INDUSTRY LED CLIMATE DEAD
ENDS. WITHOUT ANY PROTECTIONS
FOR COMMUNITIES. AND FOR THESE
REASONS, UM YOU KNOW, WE WERE IN
OPPOSITION TO THE BILL IS
WRITTEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO
WITNESS AN OPPOSITION JUST
NAMING ORGANIZATION, PLEASE.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS KATHERINE
BRANDENBURG, WITH THE
BRANDENBURG GROUP REPRESENTING
CINEMA, CLEAN POWER. WE
APPRECIATE THE AMENDMENTS THAT
ARE BEING TAKEN. AND ONCE WE SEE
THEM, I'M SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO
MOVE OUR OPPOSITION. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. VICTORIA ROME WITH AN
RDC SIMILARLY OPPOSED TO THE
PRIOR VERSION OF THE BILL LOOK
FORWARD TO REVIEWING THE
AMENDMENTS, AS WE BELIEVE THEY
WOULD ALLEVIATE MANY OF OUR
CONCERNS. THANK YOU. DANE RESTS
WITH THIS INNER AND RACE,
POVERTY AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
ALSO SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF EACH
AND PACIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL
NETWORK COMMUNITIES, VERY
BETTER, BETTER ENVIRONMENT.
EXCUSE ME, LEADERSHIP COUNCIL
FOR JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. MARK FINSTER
MAKER ON BEHALF OF EARTH JUSTICE
WERE OPPOSED TO THE BILL AND
PRINT LOOK FORWARD TO EVALUATING
OUR POSITION ONCE THE LANGUAGE
GOES INTO PRINT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS. TIFFANY
FAN ON BEHALF OF M C E OPPOSED
CEMENTED TO THE BILL IN PRINT
ALSO APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION
AROUND THE AMENDMENTS AND LOOK
FORWARD TO REVIEWING THAT
LANGUAGE CLOSELY. I'M ALSO
TESTIFYING BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA EFFICIENCY AND DEMAND
MANAGEMENT COUNCIL. RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED THE BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYONE ELSE
IN OPPOSITION? CNN AND BRING IT
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. YES. I
WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR
WORKING WITH THE OPPOSITION, AND
WHEN I READ THE ORIGINAL BILL, I
HAD SOME CONCERNS. BUT WITH THE
AMENDMENTS, MY HOPE IS THAT IT
IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALL
SUPPORT AND OBVIOUSLY PORTING
TODAY IN COMMITTEE THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE?
ALRIGHT SO YOU NONE. UH SORRY,
MR MURATSUCHI, SENATOR
PORTANTINO WITH THE AMENDMENTS.
IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT
THE AMENDMENTS WILL, UM NOT
REQUIRE SECRET REVIEW FOR ENERGY
EFFICIENCY PROJECTS. ONLY EXCUSE
ME. SORRY THROUGH THE CHAIR.
JEREMY SMITH. YOU'RE ON BEHALF
OF THE STATE BUILDING TRADES
ONLY FOUR PROJECTS THAT CAN YOU
REPEAT THE QUESTION? I WANT
EXTRA HERE, RIGHT? IS THAT THE
AUTHORS UNDERSTANDING THAT WITH
THE AMENDMENTS THERE WILL NOT BE
SECRET OF YOUR REQUIRED FOR
ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROJECTS. THAT
IS THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, I
THINK AS WELL AS THE AUTHORS
YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND
SAID AMENDMENTS, SENATOR, YOU'RE
PREPARED TO TAKE THOSE UP IN
LABOR AND EMPLOYMENT. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH SEE ANOTHER. NO OTHER
QUESTIONS WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE.
GET THE BILL'S BEEN DOUBLE
REFERRED. THE AMENDMENTS WILL
COME IN THAT COMMITTEE AND LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
OPPOSITION AND RESPECTFULLY
ASKED FOR AN I VOTE. THANK YOU
SO MUCH. MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS TO LABOR AND EMPLOYMENT
COMMITTEE. RIVAS. FLORA FLORA, I
BOERNER HORVATH BOERNER HORVATH
I. FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I GARCIA.
VOTING MATHIS. MATHIS I MCCARTHY
MERITS UCHI UCHI. I SAY ARTO.
SEE HER TÔI STONE. I DON'T KNOW
WHO WOULD WOULD I? THE BILLS
OUT, WE'LL LEAVE IT OVER,
PERHAPS AN IMAGE TO ADD ON AND
CERTAINLY LAST, BUT NOT LEAST,
CENTER SKINNER. PRESENTING SP
905. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR MEMBERS
. I TAKE THE AMENDMENT AS GOOD
ARE THE VOTE RATHER THE MOTION
AS GOOD NEWS, SO I'LL BE BRIEF.
BUT I DO NEED TO EXPLICITLY
INDICATE THAT I AM ACCEPTING THE
AMENDMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN
THE ANALYSIS, WHICH LIMIT THE
SECTIONS TO APPLY ONLY TO THE
PILOTS. UM ALSO STRENGTHENING
WATER AND AIR QUALITY
PROTECTIONS IN THE PILOT
PROJECTS, ALLOWING THE STATE
GEOLOGIST TO PAUSE INJECTIONS IF
THERE IS INCREASED SEISMOLOGY.
AND. TO SPECIFY THAT THE PILOT
PROJECTS CAN'T USE CARBON
DIOXIDE PIPELINES UNTIL FEDERAL
SAFETY STANDARDS ARE REVISED,
AND ADDITIONALLY WITH THE
AGREEMENT OF THE CHAIR I'M ALSO
AMENDING TO ALLOW UP TO FIVE
PILOTS. BASICALLY THIS PROJECT
WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT UNDER OUR
CURRENT STATUTE, WHERE CEMENT
MANUFACTURING CEMENT FACILITIES
ARE EXPECTED TO BECOME ZERO
CARBON THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
NEED SOME MORE TOOLS TO DO SO.
AND SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR US
TO TEST THE VIABILITY OF STORING
THE CARBON CAPTURED FROM CEMENT
PRODUCTION, STORING IT
UNDERGROUND. AND WITH THAT, I
WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW MY WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT TO SPEAK. I HAVE THE
CLIMATE CENTER HAD TO LEAVE. SO
BOB EPSTEIN FROM PROJECT 2030
AND IS A TECHNICAL WITNESS, DR
BURKHOLDER FROM THE LAWRENCE
BERKELEY LAB. THANK YOU SO MUCH,
GENTLEMEN. OKAY THANK YOU, UH,
CHAIR LUZ RIVAS, WHICH I DON'T
SEE AT THE MOMENT AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. I REALIZED IT'S
BEEN A LONG DAY. I'VE LISTENED
TO ALL ALL OF IT, AND I
APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION. MY
NAME IS BOB EPSTEIN. I'M RETIRED
BUSINESS EXECUTIVE IN CALIFORNIA
STARTED FIVE COMPANIES, AND FOR
THE LAST 20 YEARS, I'VE FOCUSED
AS A VOLUNTEER ON ENVIRONMENTAL
POLICIES HAS BEEN 905 ENABLES
CALIFORNIA TO DEMONSTRATE THE
VIABILITY OF CARBON DIOXIDE
SEQUESTRATION. OUR STATE WITH
WOOD PILOT FIVE UP TO FIVE DEEP
GEOLOGICAL SEQUESTRATION
FACILITIES TO CAPTURE CO. TWO
FROM NON SORT FROM PARTS FROM C
02 FROM SOURCES. EXCLUDING
FOSSIL ENERGY PRODUCTION. IT
STARTS WITH CALIFORNIA SMITH
FACILITIES AND IN ADDITION, SP
905 CLARIFIES WHAT YOU HEARD
EARLIER, SOME OF THE LEGAL AND
PROCEDURAL AMBIGUITIES OF
UNDERGROUND STORAGE, IT DEVELOPS
A UNIFIED APPLICATION PROCESS.
AND IT IMPLEMENTS GUIDE RAILS TO
SAFELY MONITOR AND OPERATE
CARBON SEQUESTRATION. AS WE
KNOW. LAST YEAR YOU PASSED SB 5
96 REQUIRING SAMANTHA FULLY DE
CARBONIZED THE PROCESS
CONVERTING LIMESTONE THE LIME IN
ORDER TO MAKE PORTLAND CEMENT.
UM IT'S 02. THERE IS NO
ALTERNATIVE. YOU EITHER GOES IN
THE ATMOSPHERE. OR WE CAPTURE IT
AND SEQUESTER IT. I WANT TO
REMIND YOU OF THE SOCRATIC RULE.
FIRST DO NO HARM. OUR CLIMATE
POLICIES NEED TO BENEFIT ALL
CALIFORNIANS AND DO NO HARM. SO
SB 905 INCLUDES IMPORTANT HEALTH
AND SAFETY MEASURES TO BENEFIT
LOCAL COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING NO
INCREASE IN POLLUTION CRITERIA.
POLLUTION. AND TO IDENTIFY CO
BENEFITS, WHICH I THINK IN THE
CEMENT SECTOR COULD BE
SUBSTANTIAL. IT ALSO
ACKNOWLEDGES THE SCIENTIFIC FACT
THAT IF ALL WE DO IS STOP
EMISSIONS IMMEDIATELY, WILL BE
LIVING WITH WHAT IT WAS LIKE
LAST YEAR. WILL BE PREVENTING
HARM FROM GETTING EVEN WORSE,
BUT IT WON'T MAKE ANYTHING
BETTER THE WAY TO MAKE IT BETTER
AS AN ESSENTIAL CLIMATE POLICY
IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PULL C
02 OUT OF THE ATMOSPHERE.
ESPIONAGE FIVE CENTS A MESSAGE
TO ENTREPRENEURS THAT WANT TO
PULL SO TWO OUT OF THE
ATMOSPHERE. IT SAYS. BRING YOUR
IDEAS AND YOUR JOBS TO
CALIFORNIA. RECENTLY I MET WITH
SEVEN COMPANIES THAT PLAN TO DO
JUST THAT. AND THEY SAID IT'S
CALIFORNIA INTERESTED. MY ANSWER
WAS SP 905 BECAUSE IN SUMMARY IN
CALIFORNIA. WE HAVE HUGE
GEOLOGIC RESOURCES FOR
SEQUESTERING CARBON. WE HAVE
ABUNDANT RENEWABLE ENERGY TO
PULL THAT CARBON OUT OF THE
ATMOSPHERE. WE HAVE STRONG
REGULATORY KNOWLEDGE. AND AS YOU
HEARD WE HAVE THE SKILLED LABOR.
THAT CAN PULL THIS OFF. SO IT'S
IN OUR BEST ENVIRONMENTAL,
SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC INTERESTS.
TO PASS THIS LEGISLATION AND I
URGE YOUR I SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT WITNESS,
PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR INVITING
ME TODAY. MY NAME IS JENS BURG
CULTURAL AND CURRENTLY SERVICES
ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR FOR URBAN AND
ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES AT
BERKELEY LAB. AND I'M HERE AS A
TECHNICAL EXPERT ON GEOLOGIC
CARBON SEQUESTRATION. I SHOULD
SAY THAT MY RESEARCH TEAM AND I
HAD BERKELEY HAVE BEEN WORKING
ON THE UNDERLYING SCIENCE OF
GEOLOGIC COMMON SEQUESTRATION
FOR PROBABLY MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
FOR EXAMPLE. HOW UM, YOU KNOW
CIA TO REACTS ON THE DEEP ROCKS
THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO
MONITOR FOR CEO TO MIGRATION OR
ALSO PROVIDING ADVICE TO
REGULATE. OF THE TECHNOLOGY SAY
WITH A CALIFORNIA EVERY SOURCES
BOARD OR THE EPA. RESEARCH
STUDIES AND DEMONSTRATION
PROJECT ACROSS THE WORLD HAVE
SHOWN THAT GEOLOGIC CONCEPT
CASTRATION IS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE
IF IT'S DONE WITH CARE. AND
APPROPRIATE GEOLOGY. UM TO
INJECTED IN THE FORMATION IS
EFFECTIVELY TRAPPED IN VARIOUS
WAYS SO IT DOES NOT ESCAPE. IF
DONE, RIGHT. CALIFORNIA IN FACT,
HAS A LOT OF FAREWELL GEOLOGY,
BUT CURRENTLY NO PROJECTS HAVE
BEEN DONE HERE. MY TEAM AND I
CURRENTLY WORKING ON SOME OF THE
REMAINING SCIENTIFIC ISSUES
RELATED TO DEPLOYING CARBON
SEQUESTRATION AT THE GIGATONS
SCALE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO
HELP MITIGATING CLIMATE CHANGE.
MANY STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT
THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL BE
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN THE
FUTURE, EVEN WHEN THE WORLD HAS
STOPPED USING FOSSIL FUELS. FOR
EXAMPLE, TWO D COMMONEST
INDUSTRIAL PROCESSES LIKE CEMENT
PRODUCTION, WHICH IS THE TOPIC
OF THIS BILL. OR TO PROVIDE
STORAGE SOLUTION FOR CARBON
CAPTURE DIRECTLY FROM THE AIR TO
ACHIEVE NEGATIVE EMISSIONS. SO
BY DEVELOPING GEOLOGIC CARBON
SEQUESTRATION PROJECTS AT
EXISTING CEMENT PLANTS AND BY
INCORPORATING STRATEGIES FOR
REDUCING THE SEISMIC RISK AND CO
POLLUTANT EMISSIONS. SB NINE OR
FOUR WILL SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS FROM
ONE OF THE MOST CARBON INTENSIVE
INDUSTRIES IN THE STATE. IN IT
WILL DEMONSTRATE THIS TECHNOLOGY
AS AN IMPORTANT AND SAFE OPTION
FOR DE CARBONIZED IN CALIFORNIA.
IT WILL ALSO REMOVE HURDLES TO
DEPLOYMENT, AND IT WILL ENSURE
THAT CALIFORNIA LEVERAGED ITS
RESEARCH AND EDUCATION
INSTITUTIONS TO DEVELOP
EXPERTISE. AND CONDUCT THE
NECESSARY SCIENCE. LAST NIGHT.
AT LEAST I SHOULD MENTION THAT
THE BILL WOULD ALSO PROVIDE
OPPORTUNITY TO TAP INTO THE
MASSIVE $12 BILLION INVESTMENTS
IN CARBON MANAGEMENT THAT THE
POWER PARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE
LAW HAS SET OUT FOR CARBON
MANAGEMENT CAN REMOVAL AND
CONDUIT SEQUESTRATION DEPLOYMENT
PROJECTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE IN
SUPPORT OF US BEING 905? NAME
AND ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. MIKE
MONNING GONNA BE HALF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL
CARBON CAPTURE NO MATTER WHAT
THE FORM IS CRITICAL TO OUR
FUTURE URGENTLY. I VOTE QUÊ.
LUCAS FRERICHS ON BEHALF OF THE
NATURE CONSERVANCY AND SUPPORT.
VICTORIA'S ROME WITHIN OUR D. C.
AND WE'VE SUPPORTED THE GOALS
AND CONCEPT OF THE BILL, UM,
ESPECIALLY DUE TO CEMENT BEING A
HARD TO DE CARBONIZED SECTOR.
THANK YOU. DIANE DO SET
REGISTERING SUPPORT FOR PROJECT
2030 AND FOR THE CLIMATE CENTER.
THANK YOU. KAILYN MCINTOSH ON
BEHALF OF CLEANER TASK FORCE AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE IN SUPPORT OF SB
905? SEEN ON ANY OPPOSITION TO
SB 905, PLEASE. WE MIGHT NEED TO
MAKE ROOM FOR JUST ONE SENT UP
HERE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR VIRGIL
WELLS AGAIN ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA CARBON CAPTURE
COALITION. FIRST OFF. I JUST
WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE SENATORS
WORK ON THIS BECAUSE AS WE'VE
DISCUSSED THE WHOLE BUNCH THIS
AFTERNOON CCS IS GOING TO BE
CRITICAL IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING
ACHIEVEMENT OF CALIFORNIA'S
CARBON GOALS. WE DO HAVE AN
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED POSITION
ON THIS BILL, AND FUNDAMENTALLY
, THE REASON IS, AS I MENTIONED
EARLIER, THERE ARE AT LEAST 75
IDENTIFIED FACILITIES IN THE
STATE RIGHT NOW THAT COULD
READILY BENEFIT FROM THE
APPOINTMENT OF A VARIETY OF CCS
TECHNOLOGY. AND CEMENT IS. AND
AN IMPORTANT SECTOR. NO QUESTION
, BUT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON
A BROAD POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT
ALLOWS ALL OF OUR INDUSTRIES
ACROSS ALL OF OUR SECTORS. TO
UTILIZE CCS TECHNOLOGY,
INCLUDING BUT ABSOLUTELY NOT
LIMITED TO CEMENT. SO WHAT WE
WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO BE
THINKING ABOUT IS ONE OF THE KEY
POLICY PIECES THAT WILL CREATE
THAT. LANDSCAPE SO THAT ALL OF
OUR INDUSTRIES IN THE STATE CAN
UTILIZE CCS TECHNOLOGIES TO
REDUCE EMISSIONS AS PART OF THE
PORTFOLIO OF EFFORTS THAT WE'RE
GOING TO NEED. THANK YOU. BASED
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. YES I
WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT
ANNOUNCEMENT. YES SO, UM, PICK
WHICH ONE YOU WANT, BUT YES TO
TWO MAIN WITNESSES AND THE OTHER
ONE. EVERYBODY ELSE'S SUPPORTING
OPPOSITION ONLY. HELLO MY NAME
IS CESAR AGUIRRE, MY COMMUNITY
MEMBER OF CURRENT COUNTY. UM I
THINK FOR US, WE WOULD REALLY
WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THE BILL IS
FOCUSED ON, AND WE APPRECIATE
THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE LOOKING
FORWARD TO REVIEWING THE
AMENDMENTS AND REEVALUATING. I
THINK, YOU KNOW, CAR. THIS
CLIMATE CHANGES, UH, THREAT
EXISTENTIALLY, BUT ALSO TO
COMMUNITIES LIKE MINE. THE COST. FOR CLIMATE CHANGE IS NEVER
MEASURED IN REVENUE LOSS FOR
PUBLIC SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF DAYS
MISSED DUE TO ASTHMA. IT'S NEVER
MEASURED IN DAYS LOST FOR WORK
DUE TO CARDIOVASCULAR ISSUES.
PUBLIC HEALTH IS BEING
OVERLOOKED WHEN IT COMES TO
THESE ISSUES WHILE WE UNDERSTAND
THERE ARE PROGRESS, THERE CAN BE
PROGRESS MADE IN THE CEMENT
SECTOR. LET'S NOT LET THIS BE A
TROJAN HORSE FOR OTHER ISSUES
THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED
HERE TODAY. CS CC. US DOES NOT
WORK PROJECTS HAVE FAILED
OVERWHELMINGLY, AND NO PROJECT
HAS EVER MET ITS PROMISED
REDUCTIONS. CC US IS VERY
EXPENSIVE AND OTHER SOLUTIONS
ARE ALMOST ALWAYS MORE EFFICIENT
AND EFFECTIVE. SEE SEE US ALSO
PROLONGS THE USE OF FOSSIL
FUELS, WHICH THE I P I P. C. C
SAYS WE MUST ELIMINATE EXTENDING
FOSSIL FUELS ALSO EXTENDED ALSO
EXTENDS PUBLIC HEALTH HARM AND
ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM. EXTRACTION
CAUSES HEALTH PROBLEMS, AS DOES
REFINING AND BURNING. ALL OF
THESE HARMS ARE CONCENTRATED IN
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES. BECAUSE OF
THE HISTORY AND PRESENT
ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM. WE HAVE A
CHOICE ON WHETHER TO PERPETUATE
THIS HISTORY OR STOP IT NOW. AND
ONE THING THAT HAS ALSO COME OF
THIS IS STANFORD HAS SUGGEST
THERE TO PUT THAT CAR BEEN IN
KERN COUNTY, KERN COUNTY IS A
SACRIFICE ZONE. WE UNDERSTAND
THAT YOU SEE OUR LIVES AS NOT
VALUABLE ENOUGH TO SAVE SO AS ME
AND MANY OTHER RESIDENTS FEEL
LIKE YOU'RE TREATING US AS BOTH
GUINEA PIGS AND A SACRIFICE AT
THE SAME TIME, UM THIS
EXTRACTION DOES MORE THAN JUST
CAUSE COMMUNITY HARMS. IT ALSO,
UM, TRIES TO SHOW THAT CC US
WILL BE USEFUL BY SHOWING CEMENT
AND THEN SNEAKING IN UM, RULES
THAT WOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING
WITHIN THE INDUSTRY. LET'S MAKE
SURE THAT THESE PROTECTIONS FOR
COMMUNITY APPLY TO ALL CC US AND
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CEMENT
THEN LET'S MAKE SURETHAT OTHER
PARTS OF THE U. S. DOES NOT. UM
YOU KNOW IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS
SO THAT WE DON'T ALLOW CEMENT CC
US TO BE A TROJAN HORSE FOR
THINGS LIKE ENHANCED OIL
RECOVERY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE IN OPPOSITION TO SB
9 TO 5 NAME AND ORGANIZATION,
PLEASE? THE REST OF THE CENTER
AND RACE, POVERTY AND THE
ENVIRONMENT IMPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED. LOOKING FORWARD TO
LOOKING CAREFULLY AT THE NEW
AMENDMENTS, AND THANKS TO THE
SENATOR, THANK YOU. EXACTLY ON
BEHALF OF THE WESTERN STATES
PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION POSING
LESS AMENDED FOR THE COMMENTS
STATED BY VIRGIL WALTZ FROM THE
CARBON CAPTURE COALITION. THANK
YOU. DEAN TELLING ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION OPPOSED
UNLESS AMENDED, HOWEVER, WERE
COMMITTED WITH WITH WORKING WITH
THE SENATE ON THIS. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
POLYESTER BEHALF OF THE CURRENT
COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS,
VERY GRATEFUL TO THE SENATOR FOR
THE AMENDMENTS AND TO THE
COMMITTEE FOR SUPER CLEAR EYED
ANALYSIS AND COMMENTS ON THIS
BILL. UM, CURRENTS GOING TO RE
RECONSIDER THE BILL IN LIGHT OF
THE AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ROCIO MADRIGAL AS A
COMMUNITY MEMBER, FRESNO COUNTY
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN
OPPOSITION SP 905. SEEN AND
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMITTEE? MS GARCIA, THE
AUTHOR, UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE I
APOLOGIZE. I KNOW THERE AND THE
ANALYSIS BUT I HAVEN'T REVIEWED
THE AMENDMENT. BUT WITH THE
AMENDMENT WOULD OH, YOU ARE BE
CONTINUED TO EXPRESSLY BE
PROHIBITED IN THIS BILL AGAIN AT
THE ER. OIL AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED. THE BILL
WILL CONTINUE TO BE OKAY. UM
THANK YOU, AND IT'S LIMITED TO
CHEST. UH CEMENT. THE MAINTHING
. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THE
AMENDMENT STUPID. PRIMARILY IT
LIMITS ANY OF THE RULEMAKING.
REGARDING THE PILOTS TO APPLY
ONLY TO THE CEMENT PILOTS, NOT
TO ANY OTHER PROCESS. AND THAT'S
IT SAY, UH, TO THE SECOND
OPPOSITION SET OF COMMENTS UM.
DOES THIS BILL SAY ANYTHING
ABOUT WHERE THESE UM. PILOT OR,
YOU KNOW THIS YEAR TO BE, YEAH.
UM THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE
DETERMINED BASED ON AS WE HEARD
FROM OUR TECHNICAL WITNESS. WHAT
THE BASED ON THE RESEARCH. WHICH
FORMATIONS IN OUR STATE. I'VE
ALREADY BEEN ASSESSED TO HAVE
THE SAFEST ABILITY TO STORE THAT
CARBON WITHOUT LEAKAGE AND
WITHOUT OTHER PROBLEMS, WHICH IS
WHY THE TECHNICAL EXPERT TALKED
ABOUT THE NEED TO DO THIS WITH
CARE. UM, SO THAT. SO WE DID NOT
SPECIFY WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS
WOULD BE FOR THAT REASON, SO
THAT THEY WOULD BE APPROPRIATELY
VETTED AND YOU WOULD HAVE
LOCATIONS THAT MET THE STANDARDS
THAT WOULD HELP TO ENSURE THAT
THE CARBON STAYED IN THAT STORE
WHERE IT WAS STORED. I DON'T
KNOW IF BOB YOU WANT TO ADD TO
THAT. AND UNTIL I GUESS TO THE
EXPERTS DO WE ALREADY HAVE SOME
IDEAS OF WHERE THAT IS AT I'M
SORRY. DO WE ALREADY HAVE A
STUDIES OF AWARE THESE PLACES
MIGHT YES. PRETTY MUCH EVERY
INCH OF CALIFORNIA'S HAD PRETTY
EXTENSIVE STUDIES AT THIS POINT,
BUT I'LL DEFER WELL, TYPICALLY,
YOU WANT TO LOOK WHERE THE
ACTUAL FACILITIES ARE, UM,
MEANING THERE'S SOME CEMENT
PLANS. AND THEN KIND OF FIND
SOME GEOLOGY THAT IS WORKING.
WELL, UM, NEARBY, SO YOU HAVE
LESS TRANSPORTATION TO DO. UM
THE ENTIRE CENTRAL VALLEY IS IT
HAS GOOD GEOLOGY, AND THERE'S
SOMEWHAT GOOD GEOLOGY AND OTHER
POCKETS OF THE STATE AS WELL. IN
THERE SOME IMPLANTS THEN AND IN
THE CENTRAL ALONG THE CENTRAL
VALLEY. THERE ARE THERE ARE
SEVEN OPERATING CEMENT PLANTS IN
CALIFORNIA THREE OR GROUPED AND
SO, THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF
CURRENT COUNTY THREE MORE
FURTHER SOUTH. AND THEN ONE IN
READING. OKAY, UM. I JUST WANT
TO BE SENSITIVE TO COMMUNITIES.
I FEEL LIKE THEIR SACRIFICE
ZONES. IT'S A COMMUNITY. I DON'T
LIVE IN CURRENT COUNTY. I LIVE
IN A COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE
CEMENT AH, BUT IT IS ALSO A
SACRIFICE SO AND LOTS OF OTHER
WAYS. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF
FEAR AND A LOT OF DISTRUST. THAT
OUR STATE AGENCIES WILL DO THIS
RIGHT? EVEN WHEN WE PUT IN THESE
THESE TYPES OF CHECKS, MAKE SURE
THAT IT'S SAFE. BECAUSE IT IS IT
IS NEW AND WE HAVE HOT PARTS OF
HISTORY OF DOING IT WELL AND
LATINA WELL AT TIMES AND BEING
TOLD ONE THING, AND THEN
SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS. UH YOU
KNOW WHETHER IT'S MOST RECENTLY
WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE
ABANDONED OIL WEALTH, AND WE
WERE TOLD CONSTANTLY THAT THERE
WAS NOT A PROBLEM, BUT IT TURNS
OUT IT'S PROBLEM. AH YOU KNOW,
FOR 30 YEARS I WAS LED BATTERY
PLANT IN MY BACKYARD POISONING
US AND WE WERE TOLD IT WAS NOT A
PROBLEM, AND IT TURNS OUT THAT
IT'S A BIG PROBLEM. AND SO I
JUST WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO
THAT. I KNOW THAT THE AUTHOR IS
AN ALLY AND TRIES TO BE
SENSITIVE TO THOSE ITEMS AND TRY
TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND AND
WORKS OR BILLS TO FIND, UH, YOU
KNOW, COMPROMISE AND AMENDMENTS
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU, UM THAT
YOU'RE TAKING THE SET OF
AMENDMENTS. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT
THIS BILL. UH TODAY, BUT AS IT
MOVES FORWARD, I DO WANT TO LOOK
AT THAT CLOSER AND BE SENSITIVE
TO THAT TO HOW THESE COMMUNITIES
ARE FILLING IN PLACES LIKE
CURRENT COUNTY. JUST FOR
CLARIFICATION, WHILE UM OUR
EXPERT FROM L. B AND L MENTIONED
THAT IT JUST FOR TRANSPORTATION
PURPOSES MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE
STORAGE BE CLOSE TO PLANT.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE BILL THAT
REQUIRES THAT. AND SO FOR THOSE
TYPES OF CONCERNS IF THERE ARE
THOSE TYPES OF CONCERNS THAT ARE
BEING WEIGHED OBVIOUSLY, THERE
ARE OTHER PLACES IN CALIFORNIA,
WHERE IT COULD BE STORED. BUT
THE OTHER THING THE BILL DOES IS
SPECIFIED THAT WE WILL THAT ANY
PILOT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO TAKE
ADDITIONAL ACTIONS TO REDUCE THE
IMPACT OF THEIR THE POLLUTION
FROM THEIR FACILITY AND ANY
POLLUTION THAT MIGHT RESULT FROM
THE STORAGE PROCESS. AND THAT
WOULD BE THERE IN THE COMMUNITY
AND NOT OFFSET SOMEPLACE ELSE.
LIKE WE SOMETIMES THREATEN. YES.
THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND
I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE BIGGEST
FEAR IN SOME OF WHAT THE
OPPOSITION SPOKE ABOUT WAS
RELATED TO E. R WHICH IS
EXPRESSLY ABANDONED. THE
POSSIBILITY OF THIS BECOMES AN
OPENING FOR OTHER INDUSTRIES BY
THIS IS WHY A BILL LIKE MISS
LEMONS ARE BILL SB? 13 14 IS SO
IMPORTANT TO GET THOSE
ASSURANCES AS WELL. AND SO WHAT
? WE'RE DOING THIS AND SHARING
THAT ABILITY THAT ALSO GETS THEM
TO GIVE ADDITIONAL ASSURANCES TO
THE OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, MR MURATSUCHI.
THANK YOU. I WANTED TO FOLLOW MY
COLLEAGUE FROM BELL GARDENS.
SARAH SKINNER. WE KNOW I KNOW
THAT THAT YOU HAVE A LONG
HISTORY OF FIGHTING FOR
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. AND YET.
YOU HEARD THE OPPOSITION,
RAISING THE CONCERN ABOUT HOW
THIS COULD BE A TROJAN HORSE. UM. UH I ALSO HAVE THE CONCERN.
YOU KNOW, THE LARGER CONCERN
THAT WHILE WE HAVE MANY.
SCIENTISTS SAYING THAT CARBON
CAPTURE AND STORAGE IS GOING TO
BE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AS PART
OF THE TOE BOX. UM IN IN
FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE, THAT IT
IS ALSO NOT ONLY GOING TO BE A
TRUST IN HORSE TO CONTINUE TO
POLLUTE IN IN ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE COMMUNITIES, BUT ALSO
IT'S GOING TO DELAY OUR EFFORTS
TO FACE OUT OUR RELIANCE ON
FOSSIL FUELS WANTED TO ASK FOR
YOUR RESPONSE TO THOSE TWO
CONCERNS. WELL, I THINK, UM,
COMMITTEE MIGHT HAVE NOTICED
THAT MY PRIMARY OPPOSITION OTHER
THAN THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
GROUPS THAT SPOKE WAS ALL THE
OIL INDUSTRY AND, UH, THE REASON
HE OPPOSED IT IS BECAUSE THEY
WANT THE TROJAN HORSE. I AM NOT
TRYING TO CREATE THE TROJAN
HOWARD HORSE. I AM TRYING TO
RECOGNIZE THAT WE USE CEMENT IT
IS ESSENTIAL PRODUCTS WERE
DEPENDENT ON IT. AND WE HAVE A
REQUIREMENT NOW THAT THAT CEMENT
MUST BE ZERO EMISSION CARBON
NEUTRAL. WELL IF WE DON'T ASSIST
CEMENT TO DO THAT, THEN WE'RE
GOING TO BE BUYING OUR CEMENT
FROM MALAYSIA, WHICH WE ALREADY
CALTRANS ALREADY BUYS A GREAT
DEAL OF CEMENT FROM MALAYSIA,
AND THAT CEMENT IS FAR MORE
POLLUTING NOT ONLY FROM A CARBON
POINT OF VIEW, BUT FROM A
INEQUALITY POINT OF VIEW. AND
ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT WE DO NOT
EXPERIENCE THE AIR POLLUTION
FROM ASIA. LOOK AT THE
ATMOSPHERIC MODELING SO IF WE
WANT MORE POLLUTION. THEN WE
WILL STOP PRODUCING CEMENT IN
CALIFORNIA. AND WE WILL, UH, TRY
TO, YOU KNOW, IGNORE IT. AND OR
WE WILL TRY TO DO IT THE WAY
THAT WE KNOW COULD BE DONE TO
PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE
CLIMATE. I THINK IF I COULD
RESPOND REAL QUICK. AT THE
RELEVANT JUST ONE MOMENT. SURE.
SENATOR WHAT ABOUT THE CONCERN
ABOUT CCS BEING USED TO DELAY OR
TO PROLONG OUR RELIANCE ON
FOSSIL BILL? IS SOLELY AND ONLY
ESPECIALLY WITH THE AMENDMENTS.
ALLOWED FOR THE CEMENT PILOT
PROJECTS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT
EVERY BIT OF OTHER LEGISLATION I
HAVE IN THE YEARS I'VE BEEN IN
THIS BUILDING. IT IS ALL BEEN
LEGISLATION THAT MOVES US OFF OF
FOSSIL FUELS AND SPEEDS UP THE
TRANSITION TO NOT BE A FOSSIL
FUEL ECONOMY. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
THE COMMITTEE? CNN BUT AS
SECRETARY SENATE WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE THANK YOU, SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DUE PAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS RIVAS FLORA
YOU'RE NOT VOTING
BOERNER HORVATH BOERNER HORVATH
I FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I GARCIA.
GARCIA, I MATHIS. THIS AND THAT
VOTING MCCARTHY MERITS UCHI
UCHI, I SAY ARTO. SO YOU'RE NOT
VOTING STONE? STONE. I WOULD
WOULD I? HAVE THE LAST SIX VOTES
WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS TO ADD ON AND THAT IS
THE END OF THIS COMMITTEE. BUT
WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK THROUGH
THE BILLS. UM AND PATIENTLY WAIT
FOR OUR CHAIR TO GET BACK. WE
ARE GOING TO START WITH ITEM
NUMBER ONE FILE ITEM. HIGHLIGHT
OF NUMBER ONE S B. 10 78,
SENATOR ALLEN. THE MOTION IS DUE
PAST TWO APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT
MEMBER FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. AYE.
THE BILL OF SEVEN VOTES. IT IS
OUT. MOVING ON TO FILE ITEM
NUMBER FOUR. SB 11 23 CAVEAT Ó.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. ABSOLUTE
MEMBERS, FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN EYES
SEYARTO. SEYARTO. AYE. THE BILL
HAS 10 VOTES. IT IS OUT. MOVING
ON TO FILE ITEM NUMBER SIX SB 12
97 ORTEZ MOTION IS DUE PAST AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT
MEMBERS, FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I
SEYARTO SEYARTO NOT VOTING. BILL
HAS A VOTE. IT IS OUT. MOVING ON
TO FILE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. AS B
9 26 DODD THE MOTION IS PASSED
TO JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ABSENT
MEMBERS, FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, I
THAT HAS TO BILL HAS 10 VOTES.
IT IS OUT. MOVING ON TO FILE
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT SP 10 46
EGGMAN. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
ABSENT MEMBERS, FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN. I SAY ARTO. SEYARTO NO
STONE. STONE. AYE. BILL BILL S
SEVEN VOTES. IT IS OUT. MOVING
ON TO FILE ITEM NUMBER NINE SB
10 65 EGGMAN IS DEPRESSED AS
AMENDED TO JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
ABSENT MEMBERS, FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN. I SEYARTO CR TÔI.
APPLE HAS 10 VOTES. IT IS OUT.
MOVING ON TO FILE ITEM NUMBER 10
SB 11 87 COME LOUDER. THE MOTION
IS DUE FAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBERS,
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I SAY ARTO. C
R I STONE STONE. AYE. THE LAST
10 VOTES. IT IS OUT. MOVING ON
TO FILE ITEM NUMBER 16. SB 11 36
PORTANTINO. CAN WE JUST DO 11?
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SKIPPED.
60 60. ALRIGHT FILE ITEMS 16 SP
11 36 PORTANTINO THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS TO LABOR AND PLOY MINT.
16 17, OKAY? MR FRIEDMAN. I
THINK SHE HASN'T PUT IT ON
CONSENT. OR WE DON'T CALL IT.
YEAH, OK, YEAH. THEN WE'LL DO
THE 1991. NO. WE DID THAT 11 86
SKIPPED ONE. SO WE'RE GONNA GO
TO FILE ITEM 11 13 91 KAMLAGER.
THE MOTION IS DEPRESSED TO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBERS,
RIVAS FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. AYE.
BILL HAS SIX VOTES WILL LEAVE IT
OPEN FOR THE CHAIR. AND THEN WE
WILL DO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS OR SB 978
MCGUIRE, SB 11 45 LAYERS. AND SB
14 10 CAVALLERO. ABSENT MEMBERS.
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, KMART SUKI.
OKAY? DID YOU HAVE. SOMETHING
MORE FOR FRIEDMAN HAS.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DIDN'T
THINK I'D BE OUT THIS LONG.
NANCY. FUN. LIKE IF ALL SET.
ACCEPTED. SIX VOTES. HOLD IT
DOWN. YEAH, HE LEFT. I JUST WANT
TO MAKE WHICH COMES. HOW WE'RE
GOING TO OPEN A CHAIR AFTER
PILOT 11 13 91 COME LARGE. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASSED THROUGH
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS I SEVEN
VOTES. IT IS OUT OF TALENT.
MOVING TO FILE ITEM 17 SP NINE.
OH, FIVE. SKINNER. ACTUALLY LET
ME GO BACK TO FILE OUT OF 16. SB
11 36 PORTANTINO. D PATHS TO
LABOR AND EMPLOYMENT. RIVAS. AYE
RIVAS. I THAT HAS PEOPLE VOTED
OUT AND FILE ITEMS. 17 SP NINE
OH, FIVE SKINNER MOTION IS DUE
PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS REBUS. RIVAS.
AYE. SEVEN MOTOR DOWN. MEETING
ADJOURNED.