RIGHT. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME
TO THE ASSEMBLY JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY. JUNE
21ST. WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR
MEMBERS AND AUTHORS. ALTHOUGH MR
KALRA I KNOW YOU'RE PRESENTING
ON BEHALF OF SENATOR ARCHULETTA
, SO WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A SEAT
AND HANG ON? SO WE ARE STILL
INDEPENDENT EMMICK. ALTHOUGH I
KNOW RULES HAVE CHANGED. WE ARE
ASKING FOLKS TO WEAR MASKS AND
TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT PHYSICAL
DISTANCING JUST SO THAT WE ARE
NOT CONTINUING TO SPREAD. COVID
WE ARE ALLOWING. FOLKS IN THIS
ROOM TO TESTIFY HERE. AND FOR
THOSE WITNESSES WHO ARE COMING
UP TO THE TABLE, YOU'RE WELCOME
TO COME UP TO THE TABLE FOR
OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON.
WE DO HAVE A MICROPHONE IN THE
MIDDLE OF ROOM. BUT WE DO ASK
FOLKS THAT NOT TO TOUCH THE
MICROPHONE. LET THE SERGEANT'S
DO THAT SO WE CAN KEEP IT AS
CLEAN AS POSSIBLE. FOR ANYONE
WHO WAS WATCHING OR IS PLANNING
ON CALLING IN ON AN ITEM. IT'S A
GOOD IDEA TO CALL IN NOW AND THE
OPERATOR WILL GIVE YOU
INSTRUCTIONS. THE TOLL FREE CALL
IN NUMBER IS 877. 6928957. AGAIN
THAT'S 877692895. AND THE PUBLIC
ACCESS CODE AND ALL THIS SHOULD
BE ON YOUR SCREEN. BUT IT'S ALSO
ON THE COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE IS
13154 AGAIN. THAT'S 13154.
SEVEN. ALRIGHT, SO WE. DO NOT
HAVE A QUORUM SO WE WILL START
AS A SUBCOMMITTEE. WE HAVE A
NUMBER OF AUTHORS WHO WON'T BE
WITH US TODAY, SO WE HAVE SOME
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WITH PERMISSION
TO PRESENT THOSE BILLS. THE
FIRST ONE IS SB 10 76 BY SENATOR
ARCHULETTA AND MR KALRA IS
PRESENTING. SO PLEASE. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS COMMITTEE MEMBER. I AM
PRESENTING SENATE BILL 10 76 ON
BEHALF OF SENATOR ARCHULETTA,
WHICH WENT PAST WILL HARMONIZE
STATE AND FEDERAL TRAINING AND
CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS IN
REGARDS TO LEAD PAINT RELATED
WORK. CURRENT LAW REQUIRES
CONTRACTORS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO
DO WORK THAT MIGHT DISRUPT LED
PAIN TO BE TRAINED AND CERTIFIED
AT BOTH THE FEDERAL AND STATE
LEVELS. WHILE CALIFORNIA'S LEAD
LAWS AND THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS
COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER IN MANY
WAYS, SUBTLE DIFFERENCES AND
INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE TWO
HAVE MADE THE REGULATORY
FRAMEWORK ON THAT, UH IN
BUILDINGS CONFUSING. TO ADDRESS
THIS CONFUSION. SP 10 76
REQUIRED THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH TO
ADOPT AN UPDATE THEIR TRAINING
AND CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS
TO HARMONIZE WITH THE FEDERAL
REQUIREMENTS IN PRACTICE. THIS
BILL WOULD ALLOW CONTRACTORS AND
INDIVIDUALS TO BE TRAINED AND
CERTIFIED ONCE INSTEAD OF THE
CURRENT PRACTICE, WHICH REQUIRES
A SEPARATE TRAINING BOTH STATE
AND FEDERAL, ALTHOUGH THAT PAIN
HAS BEEN BANNED IN CALIFORNIA
FOR DECADES, LEAD POISONING FROM
EXPOSURE TO LEAD PAINT CONTINUES
TO PLAGUE THE STATE. IN FACT,
THE LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S OFFICE
ESTIMATES THAT ABOUT 60% OF
HOUSING STOCK IN CALIFORNIA WAS
BUILT BEFORE 1978 AND THEREFORE
PRESUMED TO HAVE LEAD BASED
PAINT. EXPOSURE TO LET IT ANY
LEVEL CAN HAVE SERIOUS NEGATIVE
EFFECTS FOR BOTH CHILDREN AND
ADULTS ALIKE. HOWEVER LET
EXPOSURE AND CHILDREN IS A
PARTICULAR AREA OF CONCERN, EVEN
A SLIGHT ELEVATION OF BLOOD LEAD
LEVELS IN A CHILD. DSICK CAUSE
BRAIN AND NERVE DAMAGE AND EVEN
STUNT A CHILD'S GROWTH. SB 10 76
WILL HELP PREVENT LEAD POISONING
BY STREAMLINING AND HARMONIZING
OUR TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION
PROCESS AS WELL AS STRENGTHEN
OVERSIGHT OF UNSAFE LEAD
PRACTICES. BY EMPOWERING LOCALS
TO HANDLE ENFORCEMENT. THE BILL
HAS RECEIVED. NO OPPOSITION IS
AND HAS ENJOYED BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT. FOR THESE REASONS. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE
AND WITH ME TODAY I HAVE SUSAN
LITTLE REPRESENTING THE
ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING GROUP AND
ON THE PHONE, IS THERE HE
BROOKS, A BOARD MEMBER WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF CODE
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO THE FIRST
WITNESS HERE IN THE ROOM,
PLEASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SUSAN
LITTLE AND I'M HERE WITH THE I'M
REPRESENTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL
WORKING GROUP, ONE OF THE CO
SPONSORS OF SB 10 76. AS YOU ALL
KNOW, LEAD AS A HARM IS HARMFUL
TO CHILDREN AND ADULTS, BUT
YOUNG CHILDREN ARE MOST
SENSITIVE TO THE NEUROTOXINS
EFFECTS. AS THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
MENTIONED. EXPOSURE TO EVEN
MINUTE AMOUNTS OF LEAD CAN HARM
A CHILD'S DEVELOPING BRAIN AND
NERVOUS SYSTEM. AND LOW LEVELS
OF LEAD EXPOSURE CAN CAUSE
CHILDHOOD BEHAVIORAL AND
LEARNING PROBLEMS THAT LAST WELL
INTO ADULTHOOD. AND
UNFORTUNATELY, THE DAMAGE LEAD
DOES TO CHILDREN IS
IRREVERSIBLE. THE CENTERS FOR
DISEASE CONTROL HAVE DETERMINED
THERE IS NO SAFE LEVEL OF LEAD
EXPOSURE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS
AND ADULTS. LEAD POISONING CAN
CAUSE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND
REPRODUCTIVE HARM. AND CAN LEAD
TO PREMATURE BIRTH AND
MISCARRIAGE. LEAD POISONING CAN
ALSO CAUSE CANCER. STATISTICS
INDICATE THAT LOW INCOME
CHILDREN ARE LEAD POISONED MORE
OFTEN THAN CHILDREN FROM HIGHER
INCOME FAMILIES, ACCORDING TO
THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC HEALTH. 88% OF
CALIFORNIA'S LEAD POISONED
CHILDREN ARE ON MEDICAL THIS
UNEVEN DISTRIBUTION IS IN PART
BECAUSE LOW INCOME CHILDREN ARE
MORE LIKELY TO LIVE IN OLDER
HOUSING THAT HAS CHIPPED OR
PEELING LEAD BASED PAINT. WHEN
THIS PAINTS DISTURBED, CHIPPED
OR SANDED LEAD DUST MOBILIZES
INTO THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT
AND CAN BE INHALED, INGESTED OR
TRACK TO OTHER LOCATIONS. LET'S
SAY FOR RENOVATION PRACTICES
AREN'T CONSISTENTLY USED IN
CALIFORNIA DUE TO CONFLICTING
STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. THIS
PROBLEMS EXPERIENCED BY OTHER
STATES AS WELL. TO DATE 14
STATES HAVE DONE WHAT S B 10 76
PROPOSALS TO DO AND HAVE
INCORPORATED THE FEDERAL
RENOVATION REPAIR PROGRAM INTO
THEIR STATE REGULATIONS.
CALIFORNIA SHOULD DO THE SAME SO
THAT LEAD SAFE RENOVATION
PRACTICES ARE UNIFORMLY EMPLOYED
IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE'D
ASK YOU THAT YOU SUPPORT SB 10
76. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND
THEN TO THE WITNESS ON THE
TELEPHONE. LARRY BROOKS, ARE YOU
WITH US? I AM. GO AHEAD, PLEASE
MORNING ON ENBREL. OH, THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE
MEMBERS OF THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE AGREED YOU FROM THE
BEAUTIFUL SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA
HOME OF THE BASKETBALL WORLD
CHAMPION GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS,
AND I GREET YOU ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
QUOTING FORCE MINT OFFICERS. UM
AS A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
AND A HEALTHY HOUSING
SPECIALISTS. I AND OTHERS LIKE
ME THROUGHOUT THE STATE
ROUTINELY RECEIVED COMPLAINTS
FROM RESIDENTS REGARDING UNSAFE
AND OFTEN UNLICENSED LABORERS,
PERFORMING RENOVATION AND OR
REPAIR WORK ON HOMES IN WHICH
THEY CREATE LIFT PINK CHIPS AND
DUST DEBRIS THAT CAN BE INHALED
BY ADULTS. AND DIRECTLY INGESTED
BY SMALL CHILDREN CRAWLING ON
THE FLOORS ARE PLAYING IN
CONTAMINATED SOIL. THAT'S THE
INDIVIDUALS CONDUCTING THESE
UNSAFE RENOVATION, REPAIR AND
PAINTING JOBS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO
NOT ONLY POISON THEIR CUSTOMERS
AND NEIGHBORS OF THEIR CUSTOMERS
, BUT EVEN THEMSELVES IN THEIR
OWN CHILDREN. SUCH TRAGEDIES
COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED AT THESE
WORKERS HAD USED LEAD SAFE WORK
PRACTICES TAUGHT IN THE ONE DAY
ONLY E P A RENOVATION REPAIR AND
PAINTING RULE COURSE, ALSO KNOWN
AS R P, WHICH IS OFFERED BY
STATE CERTIFIED CONSTRUCTION
TRAINING PROVIDERS ALL ACROSS
THE STATE. HOWEVER THERE IS A
DEFICIENCY IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF
RP TRAINING, WHICH, THROUGH THE
PASSAGE OF SB 10 76 WILL BE A
HUGE STEP FORWARD AND
CORRECTING. THERE IS GROWING
RECOGNITION OF THE IMPORTANT
ROLE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
PLAY IN THE INTERSECTION OF
HOUSING, PRESERVATION AND HEALTH
. WITH THAT RECOGNITION COMES IN
THE EXPECTATION THAT WE WILL
HELP PREVENT LEAD POISONING
HAZARDS FROM BEING CREATED BY
UNSAFE WORK PRACTICES AND SB 10.
76 WILL HELP US DO JUST THAT.
THIS. I ASKED FOR YOUR EYE BOAT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO IS
THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE HEARING
ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE
SUPPORT FOR S? B? 10 76. GREAT
SEEING NONE. OPERATOR WOULD YOU
OPEN THE LINES FOR ANYONE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE SUPPORT
FOR S? B 10 76. WE WON'T TAKE
FURTHER TESTIMONY AT THIS POINT
, BUT WE'LL TAKE NAME
AFFILIATION AND SUPPORT. LIKE TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. PLEASE PRESS
10 AT THIS TIME HE MADE REMOVE
YOURSELF FROM THE Q AND ANY TIME. ONCE AGAIN IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
ONE. OUR FIRST LINE. 30, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. KLEIN 30, YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. 9 30 OR LINE IS OPEN. LINE
30. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. LINE FOR
HIS SORRY THEY KEEP DROPPING AND
COMING BACK ON LINE. 41. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS, PAT MORAN WITH AARON
READING ASSOCIATES REPRESENTING
THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
PROFESSIONAL SCIENTISTS IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. AND LINE 34.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. GOOD MORNING
, DEVON ANDERSON ON BEHALF OF
THE ALAMEDA COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. INITIATIVE CHAIR AT THIS
TIME WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE'S QUÊ.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OPERATOR IS
THERE ANY. ARE YOU NOT HAVE ANY
OPPOSITION LISTED? IS THERE
ANYONE IN HEARING ROOM WHO WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF
SB? 10 76. SEEING NON OPERATOR
WOULD YOU OPEN THE LINES FOR ANY
OPPOSITION TO SB? 10 76. IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS ONE,
THEN ZERO AT THIS TIME. AT THIS
TIME WE HAVE NOBODY QUEUING UP.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OPERATOR
YOU MAY CLOSE THE LINES AND I'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. SEEING
NONE. YOU MAKE APPROPRIATE TIME
. THANK YOU. WE WILL TAKE THIS
UP ONCE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
THANK YOU. RIGHT LET'S MOVE TO
OUR ITEM NUMBER THREE SB 11 55,
SENATOR CABALLERO.
MORNING. MORNING. GOOD MORNING,
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS. THANK YOU
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT
SB 11 55. WHICH WOULD ENACT A
FRAMEWORK FOR PROCESSING TIME.
LIMITED DEMAND CLAIMS A TIME
LIMITED DEMAND IS A SETTLEMENT
OFFER MADE BY A CLAIMANT TO THE
INSURER ABOUT DEFENDANT EARLY IN
THE LITIGATION PROCESS, AS THE
NAME IMPLIES, THE SETTLEMENT
OFFER OFTEN COMES WITH THE TIME
LIMIT. HOWEVER THESE TIME LIMITS
HAVE BECOME INCREASINGLY
SHORTER. MAKING IT EXTREMELY
DIFFICULT FOR INSURERS TO
PROPERLY INVESTIGATED CLAIM. IF
AN INSURER FAILS TO RESPOND
WITHIN THE TIME LIMIT. THE OFFER
IS CONSIDERED REJECTED. AND
PUNITIVE PENALTIES MAY ACCRUE.
AS A RESULT, THE CURRENT PROCESS
IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO ABUSE. SB 11
55 WOULD CREATE A REASONABLE
PARAMETER AND GUIDELINES THAT
MUST BE FOLLOWED WHEN A TIME
LIMITED DEMAND IS MADE TO AN
INSURANCE COMPANY, THUS
FACILITATING QUICKER SETTLEMENT,
REDUCING LITIGATION COSTS AND
ALLOWING INSURERS TO CLOSE THE
CLAIM BENEFIT BENEFITING BOTH
THE CLAIMANT AND THE INSURER.
SPECIFICALLY THIS BILL WOULD
REQUIRE A TIME LIMITED DEMAND TO
BE ACCEPTED, NOT FEWER THAN 30
DAYS FROM THE DATE OF
TRANSMISSION. AND TO CONTAIN
SPECIFIED INFORMATION, INCLUDING
A CLEAR AND UNEQUIVOCAL OFFER TO
SETTLE ALL CLAIMS WITHIN THE
POLICY LIMITS. A DESCRIPTION OF
ALL KNOWN INJURIES SUSTAINED BY
THE CLAIMANT AND A REASONABLE
PROOF TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM WITH
ME TODAY TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
IS ALISON 80 WITH PERSONAL
INSURANCE FEDERATION OF
CALIFORNIA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. PLEASE THANK YOU. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. GOOD MORNING. I'M
ALISON 80 WITH THE PERSONAL
INSURANCE FEDERATION OF
CALIFORNIA. UH SB 11 55 PER
SENATOR CABALLERO REPRESENTS A
LANDMARK AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
TRIAL ATTORNEYS AND THE
INSURANCE INDUSTRY. THIS WILL
CREATE REASONABLE PARAMETERS AND
GUIDELINES THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED
WHEN A TIME LIMITED DEMAND IS
ISSUED TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY.
THE COMPONENTS OF THIS BILL HAVE
BEEN CLOSELY NEGOTIATED BETWEEN
BOTH SIDES AND WE THINK ARE
REASONABLE AND WE'RE VERY
EXCITED TO BE MOVING FORWARD
WITH IT. THE BILL WILL ENSURE
THAT INSURERS ARE ABLE TO MEET
THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO THOROUGHLY
REVIEW THE CLAIMS PRIOR TO
MAKING A DETERMINATION. IN
CURRENT PRACTICE THEIR LETTERS
WITH HIS VIEWS THREE DAYS
PROVIDED AND NO DOCUMENTATION.
THIS WILL ENSURE THAT THAT DOES
NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE. SB 11 55
PROTECTS POLICYHOLDERS BY
CREATING THE TIME AND
CIRCUMSTANCES FOR COMPLETE
REVIEW OF THE CLAIM AND WILL
FACILITATE SETTLEMENT SO THAT
CLAIMS CAN BE PAID MORE
EXPEDITIOUSLY. IT IS VERY
SPONSOR VERY PROUD TO BE
SPONSORING THIS LEGISLATION THIS
YEAR. AND WE STRONGLY URGENT. I
VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
RIGHT. OTHER WITNESSES. TO THE
MICROPHONE. GOOD MORNING, MR
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS CASEY JOHNSON. I'M A
PARTNER AT THE LAW FIRM OF A
CONNECTION AND CONE AND I'M THE
FOURTH VICE PRESIDENT OF THE
CONSUMER ATTORNEYS OF CALIFORNIA
. WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY
WITH THE AUTHOR OF THE SPONSOR
AND ALL INTERESTED PARTIES ON
THIS BILL. AND RESULTING IN THE
LANGUAGE THAT NOW APPEARS IN SB
11 55. WE'VE REMOVED OUR
OPPOSITION TO THE BILL AND
SUPPORT IT'S MOVING OUT OF
COMMITTEE AS PART OF A PACKAGE
ON INSURANCE REFORM. WE'VE
REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH GEICO
TO REINSERT LANGUAGE TO HAVE THE
CLAIMS DEPARTMENT ADDRESSES
AVAILABLE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF
INSURANCE WEBSITE. LONGSTANDING
CALIFORNIA LAW REQUIRES THAT
INSURANCE COMPANIES ACT
REASONABLY AND EVALUATING TIME
LIMITED DEMANDS, AND IF THEY
FAIL TO DO SO, THEY CAN BE HELD
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FULL MEASURE
OF SOMEBODY'S DAMAGES,
IRRESPECTIVE OF THE POLICY
LIMITS. THIS SIMPLE, STRAIGHT
FORWARD STANDARD HAS SERVED
CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS WELL AND
PROVIDED SOME BARGAINING POWER
TO ENSURE IN DEALING WITH
INSURANCE COMPANIES. IN THE
SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE. WE'RE VERY
HAPPY TO HAVE WORKED OUT THE
STATUTORY SCHEME THAT WILL
CONTINUE CONSUMERS PROTECTIONS
AND WE URGE YOUR I VOTE ON SB 11
55. THANK YOU. RIGHT IS THERE
ANYONE IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE SUPPORT
FOR SB? 11 55. SAYING NONE.
OPERATOR. WOULD YOU OPEN THE
LINES FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE
TO INDICATE SUPPORT FOR SB? 11
55 AT THIS POINT, WE WILL NOT
TAKE FURTHER TESTIMONY BUT NAME
AFFILIATION AND SUPPORT. IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT,
POLICE PRESS ONE AND ZERO AT
THIS TIME.
ALTOGETHER. NUMBER ALL RIGHT. WE
DO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM LINE. 45.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING,
MR CHAIR MEMBERS, JAMIE HUFF
FROM C JACK AND SUPPORTED THE
BILL. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE
NOBODY ELSE IN SUPPORT. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU, OPERATOR. SO I
DO NOT HAVE ANY OPPOSITION
LISTED. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE
HEARING ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO
INDICATE OPPOSITION TO SB? 11
55? SEEING NONE. OPERATOR WOULD
YOU OPEN THE LINES FOR ANY
OPPOSITION TO SB? 11 55.
GENTLEMEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
BE AN OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS
10 AT THIS TIME.
YEAH. OKAY? PLANE 46 YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ARMANDO
LUCIANO, WITH PUBLIC PARTY
ADVOCATES. ON BEHALF OF GEICO.
WE DID REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH
TLC ON SB 11 55 TO WORK ON
LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ADD BACK
LANGUAGE IN 99.15, SPECIFYING
WHICH EMAIL ADDRESS THAT
CLAIMING THAT REQUIRED TO STAND.
THE TIME LIMITED DEMAND CLAIMS
TO, UH KEIKO IS PREPARED TO TAKE
A NEUTRAL POSITION ONCE THE
ADDRESS LANGUAGE IS APPROVED BY
THE STAKEHOLDERS. WOULD LIKE TO
THANK SENATOR CABALLERO POC AND
THE COMMITTEE FOR WORKING WITH
US ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
THANK YOU. SHARE. WE HAVE NOBODY
ELSE INTO ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
AND OPERATED. THE SOUND IS
COMING THROUGH. OKAY, BUT YOUR
VOICE YOUR YOUR VOLUME IS A BIT
ATTENUATED. IT WAS A LITTLE HARD
TO HEAR YOU, BUT THE OTHER
CALLERS ARE COMING THROUGH.
BADLY JUST IS IT ANY BETTER NOW?
YES, THAT'S MUCH BETTER. THANK
YOU. I APOLOGIZE. NO, NO
WORRIES. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
WE CAN HEAR YOU. ALRIGHT
OPERATING MAY CLOSE THE LINES
AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. MR BLOOM. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE
THIS IS GOING TO BE A BANNER
YEAR FOR RESOLVING LONGSTANDING
AND THORNY ISSUES BETWEEN THE
PLAINTIFFS AND THE DEFENSE BAR,
AND I WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR
FOR HER PATIENCE, PERSISTENCE
AND HARD WORK OVER SEVERAL YEARS
IN MAKING THAT HAPPEN, AND WHEN
THE TIME COMES, I'LL BE HAPPY TO
MAKE A MOTION. THANK YOU. OTHER
QUESTIONS ARE COMMON. MISS REYES
ALSO WANT TO SHOW MY GRATITUDE
TO THE AUTHOR FOR YOUR RIGHT.
IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK TO GET
THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND TO GET NOT
JUST THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO GET
EVERYBODY. TO BE ON THE SAME
PAGE. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS AN EASY
THING TO DO SO I WILL. SECOND
THAT MOTION MR BLOOM AS SOON AS
YOU MAKE IT THANK YOU QUESTIONS
COMMENTS, SAYING NONE. SENATOR
YOU MAY CLOSE. RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR I VOTE AND THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR THE COMMENTS TODAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE WILL
TAKE THIS UP ONCE WE HAVE A
QUORUM. SER. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT, SENATOR LIMÓN. WE WILL
MOVE TO OUR ITEM NUMBER NINE,
WHICH IS SP 13 87. THANK YOU.
CHAIR AND MEMBERS SP 13 87
REQUIRES A STARTING ON DECEMBER
1ST OF 2024 ANNUAL REPORT WITH
THE AGGREGATE DEMOGRAPHIC
INFORMATION OF INDIVIDUALS
APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR TO THE
STATE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BE
COMPLETED. THE BILL ALSO
ESTABLISHES A WORKING GROUP TO
DISCUSS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS
TO ENSURE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
REFLECT THE DIVERSITY OF THE
STATE TO ENSURE CALIFORNIA'S
LEADERSHIP REFLECTS ITS GREATER
POPULATION. THE COLLECTION OF
GUBERNATORIAL APPOINTEE
DEMOGRAPHIC DATA IS A CRITICAL
STEP TO ACHIEVE AND MAINTAIN
GENDER, ETHNIC AND GEOGRAPHIC
EQUITY ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
. THE ANNUAL REPORT WILL SERVE
AS A TOOL TO IDENTIFY GAPS IN
REPRESENTATION. ENCOURAGE
OUTREACH TO COMMUNITIES AND
ADDRESS BARRIERS TO SEEKING AN
APPOINTMENT. THE INTENT OF THE
SPILLS TOGETHER FACTS TO HELP US
INSTITUTIONALIZED BEST PRACTICE
AND TO GAIN AND GAINS AND EXCUSE
ME, AND THE GAINS MADE IT TO
DIVERSIFY THE STATE'S BOARDS AND
COMMISSIONS WITH ME TODAY, I
HAVE HELEN TORRES ON BEHALF OF
THE SPANISH ORGANIZED FOR
POLITICAL EQUALITY, ALSO KNOWN
AS HOPE TO TESTIFY REMOTELY. IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. THANK YOU,
SENATOR. I DO HAVE HELEN TORREZ
LISTED. ARE YOU WITH US ON THE
TELEPHONE? YES, I AM AHEAD,
PLEASE. GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN
AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS AS STATED
. MY NAME IS HELEN TAURUS, CEO
OF HISPANA ORGANIZED POLITICAL
EQUALITY. HOPE IS A NONPROFIT,
NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATION
COMMITTED TO ENSURING POLITICAL
AND ECONOMIC PARITY FOR LATINAS
, LEADERSHIP, ADVOCACY AND
EDUCATION TO BENEFIT OF
COMMUNITY STATUS OF WOMEN. HOPE
IS PROUD TO BE THE SPONSOR OF SB
13 87, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL TO BE
WORKING WITH SENATOR COLEMAN ON
THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC. SP 13 87 6
DECREE, TRANSPARENCY AND DOUBLE
TUTORIAL APPOINTMENTS BY
REQUIRING THAT AN ANNUAL REPORT
RELEASED SHARING DEMOGRAPHIC
DATA OF ALL APPOINTMENTS MADE
THE PREVIOUS YEAR. THIS REPORT
WOULD INCLUDE IMPORTANT
DEMOGRAPHIC DATA SUCH AS RACE,
GENDER, ETHNICITY, ABILITY,
STATUS, SEXUAL ORIENTATION THAT
TRANS STATUS AND REGIONS.
ULTIMATELY THIS ANNUAL REPORT
WILL HELP UNDERSTAND THE
DEMOGRAPHIC COMPOSITION OF
BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ACROSS
THE STATE. IT'S ENACTED, THE
DATA WILL BE A TOLL TO
HIGHLIGHT. WHERE DISPARITIES AND
REPRESENTATION EXISTS AND WHAT
COMMUNITIES AND VOICES ARE
MISSING FROM THESE TABLES. IN
ADDITION TO THE ANNUAL REPORT,
13 87 WILL CREATE A TIME LIMITED
WORKING GROUP THAT IS TASKED
WITH IDENTIFYING BARRIERS AND
SOLUTIONS T DIVERSIFY THE
APPOINTMENT PROCESS. THIS GROUP
IS ADVISORY IN NATURE AND DOES
NOT HOLD ANY AUTHORITY IN
DECISION MAKING, HOWEVER, WILL
CONTRIBUTE THEIR DEEP
UNDERSTANDING OF DIVERSE
COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE.
HOPE REMAINS COMMITTED TO
ENSURING THAT CALIFORNIA'S
GOVERNANCE IS TRULY
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DIVERSITY
OF THE STATE IS IMPORTANT TO
NOTE THAT RESEARCH SHOWS THAT
DIVERSITY AND GOVERNMENT LEADS
TO POLICIES THAT BETTER REFLECT
THE INTERESTS OF THOSE
REPRESENTATIVES AS THE MOST
POPULOUS AND DIVERSE STATE IN
THE COUNTRY. THIS IS NECESSARY
TO HAVE THIS REPORT. WE BELIEVE
IT'S TIME FOR CALIFORNIA TO
CREATE FORMAL MECHANISMS. TO
ENSURE THAT ITS GOVERNMENT TRULY
REFLECTS THE COMMUNITY BEING
SERVED, AND WE BELIEVE THAT
DEMOCRACY IS STRONGER WHEN
EVERYONE HAS A SEAT AT THE TABLE
FOR THESE REASONS, I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR IPHONE
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS
THERE ANYONE IN THE HEARING ROOM
WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF SB? 13 87? SIGNAL
OPERATOR. WOULD YOU OPEN THE
LINES FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE
TO INDICATE SUPPORT FOR SP 13
87? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT, PLEASE PRESS 10 AT
THIS TIME. ONE MOMENT WHILE WE
GATHER THE NUMBERS.
ALL RIGHT. FIRST ONE IS FROM
LINE. 50, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, SAVANNAH MENDOZA ON
BEHALF OF THE CAMPAIGN FOR
COLLEGE OPPORTUNITY AND STRONG
SUPPORT. AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIR
WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE IN. Q
ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OPERATOR. WE
WILL MOVE TO OPPOSITION. IS
THERE ANYONE IN THE HEARING ROOM
WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF SP 13 87? SEEING
NON OPERATOR WOULD YOU OPEN THE
LINES FOR ANY OPPOSITION TO SB?
13 87? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE
PRESS 10. CURRENTLY WE HAVE
NOBODY QUEUED UP FOR ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. OPERATOR. YOU MAY
CLOSE THE LINES AND I'LL BRING
IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SIGNAL
SENATOR, YOU MAY CLOSE.
RESPECTFULLY ASPIRIN. I VOTE.
THANK YOU. WE WILL TAKE IT UP
ONCE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. SO WE NEED
QUORUM. SO WE NEED MEMBERS AND
WE NEED AUTHORS OR THOSE
PRESENTING. WE DO HAVE AN ITEM
ITEM NUMBER ONE SB 13 38 HAMBURG
, WHICH HAS A SPECIAL ORDER OF
BUSINESS AT 10 30 TODAY. SO THAT
WILL BE TAKEN UP ON OR AFTER 10
30. IN THE MEANTIME. WE WAIT FOR
MEMBERS WE WAIT FOR AUTHORS.
MR MAIENSCHEIN COME ON UP. YOU
ARE PRESENTING TWO DIFFERENT
BILLS, WHICH WE CERTAINLY
APPRECIATE. SO WE WILL MOVE TO
THOSE NOW THE FIRST WOULD BE I
REMEMBER FIVE SP 12 64 SENATORS
ARE AS Ó. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS LAST YEAR,
SB 62 MADE CLEAR THAT A BUSINESS
CONTRACTING TO HAVE GARMENTS
MADE HIS LIABLE FOR UNPAID WAGES
TO THE WORKERS WHO MANUFACTURE
THOSE GARMENTS. REGARDLESS OF
HOW MANY LAYERS OF CONTRACTING
THAT COMPANY MAY USE. END OF
SESSION AMENDMENTS RESULTED IN A
LONG STANDING PROVISION OF LABOR
LAW BEING INADVERTENTLY STRIPPED
FROM THE LABOR CODE. SP 12 60
CORRECTS THIS DRAFTING ERROR BY
INSERTING THOSE PROVISIONS BACK
INTO THE WALL. WATCH THE WAY IT
HAS BEEN FOR 20 YEARS SINCE
GARMENT WORKER PROTECTIONS WERE
FIRST ENACTED IN 1999
SPECIFICALLY, SB 12, 60 ADDS
LIQUIDATED DAMAGES EQUAL TO THE
WAGES UNLAWFULLY WITHHELD AND
LIQUIDATED, LIQUIDATED DAMAGES
EQUAL TO UNPAID OVERTIME
COMPENSATION DUE TO PENALTIES
APPLIED TO GARMENT MANUFACTURERS
OR THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS FOR
FAILURE TO COMPENSATE WORKERS.
THIS HAS BEEN THE LAW FOR 20
YEARS. SP 12 60 HAS NO
OPPOSITION AND ON BEHALF OF
SENATOR TERRAZZO, I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU
. I DO NOT HAVE ANY WITNESSES
LISTED IN SUPPORT. IS THERE
ANYONE IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
OF SB 12 60? ALRIGHT SAYING
NONE. OPERATOR WOULD YOU OPEN
THE LINES FOR ANY SUPPORT FOR SP
12 60? THANK YOU. AND IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT
OF THIS LEGISLATION, PLEASE
PRESS ONE AND ZERO WE'LL GO TO
THE LINE OF 28. GOOD MORNING.
SHANE DUSTMAN ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU, AND WE HAVE NO FURTHER
PEOPLE IN CUBA AT THIS TIME, MR
CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE
WILL THEN MOVE TO OPPOSITION. IS
THERE ANYONE IN THE HEARING ROOM
WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO SB 12 60? SEEING
NONE. OPERATOR WOULD YOU OPEN
THE LINES FOR ANY OPPOSITION TO
SB 12 60? Q AND IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO
THIS LEGISLATION, PLEASE PRESS
ONE AND THEN ZERO. AND THERE IS
NO ONE IN Q AT THIS TIME, MR
CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE OPERATOR. YOU MAY
CLOSE THE LINES ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS SEEING NONE. MR.
MAIENSCHEIN YOU MAKE CLOTHES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS WERE RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST AND I VOTE. THANK YOU.
WE WILL TAKE IT UP WHEN WE GET A
QUORUM. ALRIGHT THEN YOU'RE ALSO
ON TAP FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. SB
13 11 BY SENATOR EDMUND THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS FOR
ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT SB 13 11
TODAY ON BEHALF OF SENATOR
EGGMAN. THIS BILL SEEKS TO
EXPAND CONSUMER PROTECTIONS FOR
OUR SERVICE MEMBERS AND VETERANS
STATEWIDE. IT CAME TOGETHER
THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND MILITARY
PERSONNEL, JAG LEGAL ASSISTANCE
ATTORNEYS, COMMAND, FINANCIAL
COUNSELORS AND OTHER MEMBERS OF
THE MILITARY AND VETERANS
COMMUNITY. THE VERY NATURE OF
SERVING IN THE MILITARY CAN
CREATE VULNERABILITIES TO
CONSUMER SCAMS AND UNFAIR
BUSINESS PRACTICE. THIS BILL
STRENGTHENS PROTECTIONS RELATED
TO MILITARY DISCOUNTS, PRIVACY
PROTECTION AND RETURN OF
SECURITY DEPOSITS. BORROWER
PROTECTIONS. AND DEFERRAL OF
INTEREST, AMONG OTHER THINGS. IT
WILL ALSO IMPOSE ENHANCED CIVIL
PENALTIES FOR VIOLATION OF THE
UNFAIR COMPETITION LAW
PERPETRATED AGAINST SERVICE
MEMBERS AND VETERANS. EACH
SECTION OF THIS BILL COMES FROM
CONVERSATIONS WITH MILITARY
MEMBERS AND FROM THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE'S
ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE AND REAL
CASES IN WHICH SERVICE MEMBERS
HAVE EXPERIENCED HARM. THE
AUTHOR IS COMMITTED TO CONTINUE
WORKING WITH THE OPPOSITION TO
SEE IF THERE IS A WAY FORWARD,
BUT IT'S CONFIDENT THAT THE
LANGUAGE IN PRINT PROVIDES
CRITICAL PROTECTIONS FOR SERVICE
MEMBERS AND THAT THE EMOVAL OF
ANY ONE SECTION OF THE BILL
WOULD CONSTITUTE REAL HARM TO
MILITARY AND VETERAN INDIVIDUALS
WHO SUPPORT THIS BILL. WITH THAT
? I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I
VOTE WITH ME TODAY TO TESTIFY
AND SUPPORT AS ANTHONY LIU AND
NICK ACRES ON BEHALF OF THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. THANK
YOU. SO WE'LL GO TO THE WITNESS
IN THE HEARING ROOM, MR LIU GOOD
MORNING CHAIR. MY NAME IS
ANTHONY LIU, DEPUTY A G FOR THE
OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS
AGING BANTERS, THE PROUD SPONSOR
OF THIS LEGISLATION. WE THINK
IT'S SOMETHING WOMEN EGGMAN. I'M
SORRY, SENATOR EGGMAN AND SENATE
PROTEST ATKINS FOR THEIR
LEADERSHIP AND AUTHORING SB 13
11. THE BILL BUILDS UPON
EXISTING LAW AND PROVIDES
ADDITIONAL LEGAL AND FINANCIAL
PROTECTIONS FOR ACTIVE DUTY AND
RESERVE COMPONENT SERVICE
MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE BILL
CLOSES AN IMPORTANT LOOPHOLE IN
THE LAW. THAT HAS THE EFFECT OF
DENYING SERVICE MEMBERS THE FULL
PROTECTIONS OF THE FEDERAL
MILITARY LENDING ACT WHEN AN
ANCILLARY CREDIT PRODUCT IS
BUNDLED WITH THE LOAN THAT
FINANCES THE CAR PURCHASE, IN
ADDITION TO THE OTHER CONSUMER
PROTECTIONS THAT IS SOME MEMORY
MAIENSCHEIN OUTLINED. UM THE
BILL IS SUPPORTED BY A BROAD
RANGE OF MILITARY AND VETERANS
GROUPS AND CONSUMER ADVOCATES
AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK CLEAR I
VOTE. AND ON THE PHONE. I THINK
WE HAVE NICK EGGERS FROM OUR
CONSUMER PROTECTION SECTION TO
ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. IF
NICK IS ARE THERE, OKAY, NICK
ACRES ARE YOU WITH US? YES SIR.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR. MY NAME IS
NICK ACRES. I'M THE SENIOR
ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR
THE CONSUMER PROTECTION SECTION
AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THE COMMITTEE MIGHT
HAVE REGARDING THE BILL. OKAY,
THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO
OTHERS IN SUPPORT OF SB 13 11.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE HEARING
ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE
SUPPORT FOR SP 13 11? SEEING
NONE. OPERATOR WOULD YOU OPEN
THE LINES FOR SUPPORT FOR SP 13
11? WE WILL NOT TAKE FURTHER
TESTIMONY, BUT WE'LL TAKE NAME
AFFILIATION AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF THIS LEGISLATION,
PLEASE PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO. THE
LINE OF 72. THANK YOU KIM STONE
STONE ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. AND WE HAVE ONE MORE. ONE
MOMENT, PLEASE. PROBABLY QUEUING
UP ONE SECOND. AND WE'LL GO TO
THE LINE OF 66. YEAH. 66 YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. 66 YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, GARETH SMITH ON BEHALF
OF THE NAVY AND STRONG SUPPORT
AND APPRECIATION TO THE AUTHOR
AND THE SPONSORS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO
FURTHER IN KIDS THIS TIME. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU. OPERATOR SO WE
WILL NOW MOVE TO OPPOSITION. I
HAVE TWO OPPOSITION WITNESSES
LISTED TOM KEEPERS AND JOHN YOU,
EMMA. BOTH WITH US ON THE
TELEPHONE OR INDICATED ON THE
TELEPHONE OR EITHER OF YOU WITH
US. TOM KEEPERS IS HERE. GO
AHEAD. OKAY. WE'LL START WITH
TOM KEEPERS, THEN. THANK YOU.
I'M TOM KEEPERS, PRESIDENT OF
THE GAP ALLIANCE. WE REPRESENT
ABOUT 80% OF THE NATIONAL MARKET
FOR GAP WAIVERS AND ARE PART OF
A BROAD COALITION THAT SUPPORTS
PROTECTING SERVICE MEMBERS AND
THEIR FAMILIES. THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT
TODAY. UNFORTUNATELY SECTION
FIVE C OF SENATE BILL 13 11
ACTUALLY HARMS MILITARY
HOUSEHOLDS, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE
COMPELLED TO CONTINUE OUR
OPPOSITION IN WEST FIVE YEARS
EITHER ELIMINATED OR
SIGNIFICANTLY AMENDED. THIS BILL
SINGLES OUT AND PREVENT SERVICE
MEMBERS FROM HAVING OPTIONS TO
PROTECT THEIR FINANCES IF THEY
SEEK TO PURCHASE GAP AT POINT OF
LOAN. THIS BILL AVOIDED ALONE
AND MAKES IT UNSELLABLE. NO ONE
WILL SELL GAP AT POINT OF ONE
SERVICE MEMBERS AS A RESULT.
SINCE WE'VE ALREADY SHARED
WRITTEN TESTIMONY, I'LL FOCUS
MIGHT REMAINING REMARKS ON THEIR
RECENT REPORT TO THIS COMMITTEE,
COVERING FOUR POINTS, ONE YOUR
CONSTITUENTS LIKE GAP WAIVERS.
CONSUMER RESEARCH SHOWS THAT GAP
WAIVERS HAVE A NET PROMOTER
SCORE OR THAT RECOMMEND TO
OTHERS ABOUT 90% ACCORDING TO
BAIN AND COMPANY, THE SOURCE OF
THE NET PROMOTER SCORE SYSTEM. A
SCORE ABOVE 80% IS WORLD CLASS.
T GAP WAIVERS ARE HIGHLY
ACCESSIBLE TO SERVICE MEMBERS
AND GAP INSURANCE FROM PRIMARY
AUTO CARRIERS IS NOT ONLY SEVEN
OF THE TOP 10 AUTO CARRIERS
OFFER GAP INSURANCE, AND TWO OF
THOSE REQUIRED THAT THE CAR
LOANS FROM THE CARRIERS LENDING
AFFILIATE GAP INSURANCE IS ALSO
TYPICALLY UNAVAILABLE IN A
HIGHER RISK AUTO INSURANCE
MARKET WHERE, UNFORTUNATELY,
MANY SERVICE MEMBERS FIND
THEMSELVES SIMPLY DUE TO THEIR
AGE. IN A STARK CONTRAST, GAP
WAIVERS TAKE ALL COMERS. IT
DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE
WHO YOU ARE, WHERE YOU WORK.
WHAT YOU DRIVE. NUMBER THREE CAF
WAIVERS ARE AFFORDABLE AND
PROVIDE MATERIALLY HIGHER VALUE
THAN GAP INSURANCE OVER THE
COURSE OF THE LOAN AND $800
WAIVER COST A MERE $4 MORE PER
MONTH AND INSURANCE YET AFFORDS
TWO KEY ADDITIONAL BENEFITS.
WAVERS COVER NEGATIVE EQUITY AND
THEY COVER PRIMARY AUTO
DEDUCTIBLES. NUMBER FOUR. A NEW
GAP COMPLIANCE FRAMEWORK IS
PENTAGON. CALIFORNIA ASSEMBLY
BILL 23 11 IMPLEMENTS NEW
CONSUMER ORIENTED REQUIREMENTS
THAT TOUCH ON DISCLOSURES,
PRICING BENEFITS AND
CANCELATIONS. RATHER THAN BAR
ACCESS TO GAP WAIVERS FOR
SERVICE MEMBERS ALTOGETHER. WHY
NOT DEFER TO THAT LEGISLATION?
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING
TOWARDS A BETTER SOLUTION, SO
THE SERVICE MEMBERS ARE GIVEN
THE OPTION TO PROTECT THEIR
FINANCIAL SECURITY. JUST LIKE
THE REST OF US. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. AND THEN, JOHN YOU, EMMA.
YES THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT THIS
MORNING ON THE COUNCIL FOR THE
CONSUMER CREDITINDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION. WHO'S ENSURING
ADMINISTRATIVE MEMBERS PROVIDE
CREDIT INSURANCE AND GAPS TO
BORROWERS IN THE STATES. WE
OPPOSED THAT BILL 30 13 11
BECAUSE UNLESS IT IS REMOVED
FROM THE BILL OR AMENDED TO
ALLOW SERVICE MEMBERS TO CHOOSE
THEIR VEHICLE LOAN TO PURCHASE
AND FINANCE, CREDIT, INSURANCE
AND GAS TO HELP THEM PAY OFF
THEIR LOANS. THEY WILL PROBABLY
LOSE ACCESS TO THOSE PRODUCTS.
UM GAP ISN'T SOLD FOR CASH AFTER
ALONE IS COMPLETED BECAUSE
SERVICE MEMBERS AREN'T READY FOR
ANOTHER PURCHASE. THEY GENERALLY
ARE OFFERED AT THAT TIME BECAUSE
AFTER BUYING A VEHICLE, THEY
LIKELY HAVE LITTLE CASH LEFT.
SERVICE MEMBERS HAD AN AVERAGE
ANNUAL SALARY OF $27,500. THE
AVERAGE NEW CAR LOAN IS OVER
$34,000 AND THE AVERAGE USED CAR
LOANS. IS OVER $20,000 SO YOU
CAN SEE HOW SERVICE MEMBERS ARE
STRETCHED. GAP IS ALSO HARDLY
TOLD THROUGH AUTO INSURERS TO
ANYONE IN CALIFORNIA WHEN YOU
CONSIDER THAT GAS BURNED AT
PREMIUMS. THIS IS INSURANCE IN
2020. WAS ONLY $9 MILLION FOR
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS AND AUTO
LOANS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING. NOW
SERVICE MEMBERS CAN PAY A GAP
MONTHLY SEA OF AROUND $6 WITH A
72 MONTH LOAN, WHICH IS THE
LENGTH OF ONE THAT IS MOST
TALENT THESE DAYS. MY SON IS A
CHIEF PETTY OFFICER IN THE NAVY
FOR THE PAST NINE YEARS, SERVING
, MOSTLY WITH 18 AND 34 YEAR OLD
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH MANY
SAILORS, TOTALLY THEIR VEHICLES
OR HAVING THEM STOLEN FROM NAVY
LOTS OR ELSEWHERE. WELL DID
SAILORS DEPLOYED FOR MONTHS AT
SEEING HE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE
QUICK DEPRECIATION OF SAILORS.
VEHICLES FROM HIGH MILEAGE
DRIVING BETWEEN DEPLOYMENT.
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. HE KNOWS
SAILORS WHO WERE STUCK PAYING
OFF THEIR LOAN AFTER A CLAIM
PAYMENT FOR THEIR TOTALED OR
STOLEN VEHICLES, WHICH DID NOT
EQUAL THE LOAN AMOUNT LEFT
OUTSTANDING. THESE OUTSTANDING
LOANS CAN AVERAGE $5000 MY SON'S
NAVY ROOMMATE WAS ABLE TO
PURCHASE GAP WITH HIS LOAN GET
PAID OFF THE $7000 LEFT OF HIS
LOAN AFTER HIS AUTO INSURER PAID
HIS CLAIM FOR A TOTAL VEHICLE.
WITHOUT GAPS, GOING $7000 ON A
LOAN FOR A VEHICLE YOU NO LONGER
OWN IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO MILITARY
PREPAREDNESS FOR SERVICE MEMBERS
, AND THERE'S NOT ALLEVIATE
THEIR STRESS OF DEATH. BUT
SENATE FIELD 13 11 AND ITS
PRESENT FORM SHOULD NOT END
THERE'S ACCESS. BE CAREFUL OR
CREDIT INSURANCE. BUT YET WE
STILL WISH TO WORK WITH THE
BILL'S AUTHOR TO PERHAPS CHANGE
THE BILL, SO THAT IS MORE
CONDUCIVE TO THESE PRODUCTS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT
ANY OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF SP 13 11
ANYONE IN THE HEARING ROOM?
RIGHT, SEEING NONE. OPERATOR
WOULD YOU OPEN THE LINES FOR
ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO
INDICATE OPPOSITION TO SB? 13
11? WE WILL NOT TAKE FURTHER
TESTIMONY BUT NAME AFFILIATION
AND OPPOSITION. PQ IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF
THIS LEGISLATION, PLEASE PRESS
ONE. 10 0. ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.
WE'LL GO TO THE LINE OF 71. MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS. SCOTT GOVERNOR
BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN FINANCIAL
SERVICES ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION FOR THE REASONS
PREVIOUSLY STATED, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. WE'LL GO NEXT TO LINE
70. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS ROBERT
WILSON WITH THE CALIFORNIA
CREDIT UNION LEAGUE HEARING
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THINK
YOU'RE GARDEN NEXT TO LINE 73.
AH HELLO, MR CHAIR, DANIEL
RITTER HERE ON BEHALF OF A PCA,
THE AMERICAN PROPERTY CASUALTY
INSURANCE ASSOCIATION, ECHOING
THE CONCERNS AND OPPOSITION
PREVIOUSLY STATED, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO
FURTHER IN QUÊ. ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU. OPERATOR. YOU MAY CLOSE THE
LINES. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
SEEING NONE. YOU MAKE CLOTHES.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. AND WHILE I
OBVIOUSLY CAN'T SPEAK TO THE
SPECIFICS OF, UH, YOU KNOW THE
HISTORY OF THIS BILL, I'LL JUST
REITERATE SENATOR EDMONDS. AH
PLEDGED THAT SHE WOULD CONTINUE
TO WORK WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVE PHONED IN AN
OPPOSITION AS IF THIS WERE TO
PROCEED FORWARD. SO WITH THAT, I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU AGAIN. WE WILL TAKE
THIS UP ONCE WE GET A QUORUM.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RIGHT
LET'S MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
SB 1100, SENATOR CORTEZ.
GOOD MORNING, MR SHARON
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S AND POLICE.
BURNETT PRESENT SP 1100 TO
ENSURE PUBLIC MEETINGS ACROSS
CALIFORNIA CAN BE CARRIED OUT IN
A DEMOCRATIC, SAFE AND
ACCESSIBLE MANNER. AS WE HAVE
ALL UNDOUBTEDLY SEEN MANY
TROUBLING INCIDENTS ACROSS THE
STATE HAVE OCCURRED DURING
RECENT PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHETHER
THEY BE AT SCHOOL BOARDS, CITY
COUNCILS. BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS
, ETCETERA, INCLUDING THOSE
INVOLVING BULLYING, HARASSMENT
AND VIOLENCE. THESE INCIDENTS
HAVE MADE NATIONAL HEADLINES
EVOLVED ANTI LGBTQ IN ANTI ÁP.
AYE RHETORIC. THE THREATS OF
VIOLENCE AND PERSONAL ATTACKS.
IN MANY CASES, THESE PUBLIC
MEETINGS HAVE HAD TO BE CALLED
TO AN END EARLY OR ENTIRE
MEETING ROOMS OF PUBLIC
ATTENDEES WHO HAVE HAD TO BE
CLEARED. TO DEAL WITH THESE
DISRUPTIONS WE'VE HEARD FROM
MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND
PUBLIC OFFICIALS AS WELL AS
COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THE NEED FOR
CLARITY. ON WHAT AUTHORITY
LEGISLATIVE BODY CAN EXERCISE
WITH REGARD TO REMOVING AN
INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DISRUPTING
ACTUALLY DISRUPTING A PUBLIC
MEETING DUE IN PART TO THE WIDE
RANGE OF DIFFERENT
INTERPRETATIONS UP AND DOWN THE
STATE. OF COUNTY COUNCILS, CITY
ATTORNEYS AND SO FORTH. IT'S
BECOME INCREASINGLY CLEAR THAT
THE MECHANISMS PROVIDED BY THE
BROWN ACT TO DEAL WITH
DISRUPTIONS DURING BROWN ACTED
PUBLIC MEETINGS ARE AT THIS TIME
INSUFFICIENT. SO I BELIEVE THE
STATE MUST SET A BARE MINIMUM BY
ESTABLISHING COMMON SENSE
MECHANISMS TO DEESCALATE
SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTIONS AND
ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATIVE
BODY TO RETURN TO THEIR
IMPORTANT GOVERNMENTAL BUSINESS
IN A SWIFT MANNER. SB 1100 WOULD
ENHANCE PUBLIC ACCESS TO
MEETINGS. I WILL NOTE THAT WE'VE
WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE L U AND
OTHER FIRST AMENDMENT ADVOCATES
TO ENSURE LANGUAGE IN THIS BILL
WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED CONSISTENT
WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND
EXPRESSLY STATED OUR INTENT TO
PROTECT CIVIL LIBERTIES AND OUR
DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. AND NOT TO
PROHIBIT PUBLIC CRITICISM. IN
FACT, FOR THOSE OF YOU, WHO ARE
FOCUSED ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT,
YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S
ABSOLUTELY NO CONTENT BASED
REGULATION IN THIS BILL
WHATSOEVER. WITH ME TODAY ARE
SPONSORS OF SB 1100 JEFF NEAL,
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT, AS WELL AS
JEAN HEARST, REPRESENTING THE
URBAN COUNTIES OF CALIFORNIA.
THANK YOU AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. FIRST
WITNESS, PLEASE. MORNING, MR
CHAIR MEMBERS, JEFF NEAL WITH
THE CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION
OF COUNTIES APPRECIATE THE
SENATOR'S AUTHORSHIP IN THIS
BILL, AND IN THE COMMENTS THIS
MORNING AND 12 DHCS POINT OUT
THAT A LOT OF THE INCREASING
NUMBER OF ACTUAL DISRUPTIONS, UM
THAT BOTH COUNTIES AND OTHER
LOCAL AGENCIES HAVE SEEN AROUND
THE STATE. WHILE MANY COUNTY
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS AS YOU
KNOW, MR CHAIR, HAVE LEGAL
COUNSEL IN THE ROOM WITH THEM.
THERE ARE MANY LEGISLATIVE
BODIES AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, AS
WELL AS OTHER TYPES OF LOCAL
AGENCIES WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE
COUNSEL IN THE ROOM WITH THEM.
AND IN THOSE CASES HAVING THIS
PROCESS CLEARLY STATED IN THE
LAW. WILL HELP ENSURE THAT THEY
ARE AWARE THAT WHEN THESE
DISRUPTIONS HAPPEN, THE
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ACTUALLY
DISRUPTING THE MEETING AND
IMPEDING THE PROGRESS OF THE
MEETING CAN BE REMOVED IN THOSE
CASES. UM WE BELIEVE THAT THIS
WILL HELP MAKE ALL OF THOSE
MEETINGS. WHETHER IT'S A
GOVERNING BOARD OR WHETHER IT'S
A AND H S S ADVISORY COMMISSION
OR OR ANY OTHER OF THE DOZENS OR
HUNDREDS OF LEGISLATIVE BODIES
AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, BE ABLE TO
DO THE BUSINESS OF THE PUBLIC
AND IN A ORDERLY WAY THAT, UH,
NOT ONLY GETS THE BUSINESS DONE,
BUT ALLOWS ALL MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE
WITHOUT, UM WITHOUT BEING
INTERRUPTED, UNNECESSARILY
SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS JEAN HURST HERE TODAY ON
BEHALF OF THE URBAN COUNTIES OF
CALIFORNIA. ALSO IN SUPPORT OF
SB 1100 REALLY WANT TO EXTEND A
LOT OF APPRECIATION TO BOTH THE
AUTHOR AND HIS STAFF. BUT YOUR
COMMITTEE AND OTHERS IN THE
LEGISLATURE WHO HAVE REALLY
HELPED US THROUGH WHAT'S BEEN A
CHALLENGING DISCUSSION AND
CAREFULLY MANAGING AS SENATOR
CORTESI MENTIONED THE BALANCE
BETWEEN APPROPRIATE FREE SPEECH
AND APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR THAT
DOESN'T IMPOSE OR INTIMIDATE
OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FROM
PARTICIPATING. WE THINK SB 1100
PROVIDES HELPFUL GUIDANCE FOR
LOCAL AGENCIES AS TO HOW TO
MANAGE DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR. IN A
MANNER THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH
CASE LAW. IT ALSO ASSISTS IN
DEALING WITH WHAT HAS BEEN A
RAISING HOUSE, HOSTILITY AND
INTIMIDATION THAT OCCUR DURING
PUBLIC MEETINGS AND ENSURES THE
EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE CONDUCT
OF THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS. WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST HERE I VOTE
TODAY. THANK YOU. RIGHT? IS
THERE ANYONE IN THE HEARING
ROOM? WHO WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE
SUPPORT FOR SB 1100? WE WON'T
TAKE FURTHER TESTIMONY, BUT
WE'LL TAKE NAME AFFILIATION AND
SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. PAMELA GIBBS,
REPRESENTING THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY OPPOSITE EDUCATION, AND
WE'RE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE
BILL AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR INTRODUCING IT. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIRMAN
AND MEMBERS MICHAEL RATTIGAN ON
BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS, SANTA CLARA COUNTY
HERE AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU AND THE OTHERS. SEEING
NONE. OPERATOR WOULD YOU OPEN
THE LINES FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD
LIKE TO INDICATE SUPPORT FOR SB?
1100 AGAIN WILL NOT TAKE FURTHER
TESTIMONY BUT NAME AFFILIATION
AND SUPPORT. QUÊ IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS
LEGISLATION, PLEASE PRESS ONE,
THEN ZERO. WATER LINE UP 82.
THANK YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS
ACTUALLY WALKER WITH NELSON AND
ON BEHALF OF MONTEREY COUNTY
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NORTH
ORANGE COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE
DISTRICT IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. WE AVE NO FURTHER.
MEMBERS AND QUÊ. OKAY, THANK
YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO
OPPOSITION. I HAVE TWO
OPPOSITION WITNESS LISTED BOTH
ON THE TELEPHONE, DEBORAH CAM
AND AMY LARSON, ARE YOU WITH US?
YES THIS IS DEBORAH CAM AHEAD,
PLEASE. HELLO MY NAME IS DEBORAH
CAM. I OPPOSE SB 1100. BECAUSE I
BELIEVE THIS BILL IN PRACTICE
WILL LEAD TO STIFLING HEALTHY
AND LAWFUL DISSENT AND CRITICISM
AT PUBLIC MEETINGS. I READ
RECENTLY SPOKE AT AN IRVINE
UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD
MEETING FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME.
AFTER HAVING CHILDREN IN THE
DISTRICT FOR 16 YEARS. I WENT TO
ALERT THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT I
WAS EXPERIENCING RETALIATION FOR
FILING A DISABILITY
DISCRIMINATION COMPLAINT. ONE
WEEK LATER, I RECEIVED A LETTER
STATING THAT THE DISTRICT STAFF
WOULD NOT RECEIVE OR RESPOND. TO
ANY OF MY EMAILS AND PHONE
CALLS. WHEN I SPOKE AT
SUBSEQUENT BOARD MEETING AND RED
FACTUAL INFORMATION, THE
PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD
ADMONISHED ME, SAYING THAT THE
BOARDS POLICIES PROHIBITED ANY
REMARKS THAT ADVERSELY REFLECTED
UPON EMPLOYEES. HE THEN
THREATENED TO PROHIBIT ME FROM
SPEAKING AT BOARD MEETINGS BASED
UPON THIS POLICY THAT HAD NOT
BEEN REVISED IN 18 YEARS.
FORTUNATELY THE BLU INTERVENED,
STATING THAT THE POLICY ENABLED
VIEWPOINT DISCRIMINATION AND WAS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THE W LETTER
STATED. IN PART, THE IRVINE
UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF
EDUCATION IS VIOLATING THE FIRST
AMENDMENT BY MAINTAINING AND
ENFORCING BOARD POLICY. 93 23
RULES OF CONDUCT. THE RULES OF
CONDUCT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERED
WITH THE BOARD PRESIDENT THREAT
TO BAN MRS CAM FROM ADDRESSING
THE BOARD IN THE FUTURE SUGGESTS
THAT AN UNACCEPTABLE PATTERN OF
SILENCING DISSENT AND CRITICISM
IT'S JUST STILL HAD BEEN IN
EFFECT. WHEN I SPOKE AT IRVINE
SCHOOL BOARD, THE BOARD
PRESIDENT COULD HAVE PHYSICALLY
REMOVED ME FOR VIOLATING THIS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLICY.
INTERPRETING THAT AS ACTUALLY
DISRUPTING THE ORDERLY CONDUCT
OF THE MEETING. I WOULD HAVE HAD
NO RECOURSE OTHER THAN TO FILE A
LAWSUIT TO PROVE THAT THE POLICY
WAS NOT QUOTE REASONABLE OR
LAWFUL, AS STATED IN THE BILL.
SIMPLY TO REINSTATE MY RIGHT TO
SPEAK AT THESE MEETINGS ON THAT
TOPIC. THE LOS ANGELES TIMES
COVERED THAT WE'RE FINE SCHOOL
BOARD INCIDENT, BUT I BELIEVE
THAT MOST ATTEMPTS AT SILENCING
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE NOT
COVERED BY THE MEDIA AND ARE
MUCH MORE COMMON THAN WE THINK.
IF THIS BILL PASSES, I BELIEVE
INDIVIDUALS WILL BE REMOVED FROM
PUBLIC MEETINGS UNDER THE GUISE
OF DISRUPTION OR DISTURBANCE.
SPECIFICALLY TO SQUELCH ANY
CRITICISM OR DISSENT OF
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OR
EMPLOYEES, AND THIS IS CERTAINLY
WOULD HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT OF
FREE SPEECH. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. AND THEN AMY LARSON,
PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. I'M AMY
LARSON AND EDUCATIONAL ADVOCATE
AND PRIVATE PRACTICE. AND I AM
CONCERNED ABOUT SB 1100 THE
NUMBER OF NEGATIVE EFFECTS THAT
COULD FOLLOW. UM, I BELIEVE THAT
THE RMOVAL OF MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC OR GROUPS OF MEMBERS OF
THE PUBLIC, PROVIDING COMMENTS
AT THE WILL OF ANY LEGISLATIVE
BODY. SUBSEQUENTLY PLACES THE
BURDEN, UM ON COMMUNITY MEMBERS
TO PURSUE LEGAL ACTION
AFTERWARDS TO PROVE THAT THE
REGULATION FOR REMOVAL WAS NOT
REASONABLE OR LAWFUL. AND
REMOVAL OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS
STRONGLY CONFLICTS WITH THE
BASIC TENANT OF THE PRESUMPTION
OF INNOCENCE DUE PROCESS AND
FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF
RECEIPT. I BELIEVE THIS BILL
WILL JUST PROPORTIONATELY AFFECT
THOSE WITH LOW INCOMES AND OR NO
ACCESS TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION
TO PROVE AND ADOPTED. REGULATION
IS UNREASONABLE OR UNLAWFUL.
THAT WAS WITH THE FINANCIAL
MEANS TO PURSUE LEGAL ACTION TO
HAVE COURSE DETERMINED THAT A
REGULATION IS REASONABLE AND
LAWFUL. EVERY TIME A MEMBER OF
THE PUBLIC IS REMOVED, UM WILL
FURTHER CLUB SUPPORT. UM AND
WASTE MILLIONS OF TAXPAYER
DOLLARS. AND THAT'S IT. I'VE
REMOVAL IS NOT DEFINED AND COULD
RESULT POSSIBLY IN PHYSICAL HARM
TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
CAUSING EVEN FURTHER LITIGATION
AND FURTHER CONTENTIOUSNESS THAT
PUBLIC THINGS THERE ARE ALREADY
LAWS AGAINST HARASSMENT THREATS
AND OTHER DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR.
THAT COULD BE UTILIZED. THIS
BILL IS UNNECESSARY, COSTLY AND
DAMAGING TO THE RIGHTS OF THE
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK
FREELY TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
WITHOUT FEAR OF RETALIATION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RIGHT I'M
BEFORE WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR
POSITION. BUT AT FIRST I'M GOING
TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM. CALL THE
ROLL, PLEASE. STONE HERE.
CUNNINGHAM BLOOM, DAVIES HANEY.
CHOLERA. KYLIE. MAIENSCHEIN
REYES. RIVAS. THANK YOU. WE DO
HAVE A QUORUM, RIGHT? WE WILL
NOW CONTINUE WITH OPPOSITION TO
SB 1100. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE
HEARING ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO
INDICATE A POSITION TO SP 1100?
SEEING NONE. OPERATOR WOULD YOU
OPEN THE LINES FOR ANY
ADDITIONAL OPPOSITION TO SB 1100
? AT THIS POINT, WE WILL NOT
TAKE FURTHER TESTIMONY, BUT NAME
AFFILIATION AND OPPOSITION. QUÊ.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS LEGISLATION,
PLEASE PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO TO THE
LINE OF 81. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THIS IS GABRIELLE REPRESENTING
STAND UP SACRAMENTO COUNTY. WE
STRONGLY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO
NEXT TO LINE 79. HI MY NAME IS
RACHEL CATAN. I AM THE FOUNDER
OF NATOMAS USD FOR FREEDOM AND I
OPPOSE THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
WE'LL GO. NEXT LINE. 76, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. THE MOST YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. YEP SORRY. YES. HI. SALLY
MUSLIN LOS ANGELES. HAVE A
GRANDCHILD IN PUBLIC SCHOOL HERE
STRONG OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO
FURTHER IN QUÊ. ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU. OPERATOR YOU MAY CLOSE THE
LINES AND I'LL BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE.
SENATOR I WANT I WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I
KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
HARD. THIS IS A DELICATE ISSUE
AND I THINK WE HEAR THAT IN IN
THE OPPOSITION. AND I APPRECIATE
THAT THAT YOU'VE CRAFTED
SOMETHING. THAT ALLOWS. PUBLIC
AGENCIES TO HAVE HEARINGS AND TO
MOVE THEIR BUSINESS, WHICH IS
WHAT'S IMPORTANT. THERE'S A
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUBLIC FORUMS
, PUBLIC MEETINGS AND MEETINGS
THAT HAVE TO BE HELD IN PUBLIC
AND THAT NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT
OF BUSINESS DONE, AND THERE ARE
ATTEMPTS TO SHUT THEM DOWN TO
SHUT THEM DOWN. AND NOT ALLOW
BUSINESS TO HAPPEN. BUT EVEN
THAT ACTION AND OTHER ACTIONS
ARE ALSO PROTESTS OF THAT BODY
AND HAS BEEN NOTED BY YOUR
SUPPORT WITNESSES. THOSE BODIES
ARE NOT ALWAYS VERY
SOPHISTICATED, AND I WOULD HATE
TO SEE ANY TOOLS LIKE THIS BE
USED AS A WAY OF JUST SHUTTING
DOWN CRITICISM, AS OPPOSED TO
REALLY FOCUSING ON THAT BODY'S
ABILITY TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS
THAT NEEDS TO CONDUCT SO THERE'S
SOME VERY DELICATE LINES HERE
THAT I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF. AND
SO I THINK THIS BILL I'M
RECOMMENDING AND I VOTE. I THINK
THIS BILL IS THAT THIS POINT
FIND TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT I
WOULD ALSO ASK. THE SUPPORTERS.
COUNTIES A LITTLE BIT MORE
SOPHISTICATED. SOME OF THE
AGENCIES AND SCHOOL BOARDS IT IS
NOTABLE TO ME. I SAT ON A SCHOOL
BOARD THAT SOME OF THE
OPPOSITION IS COMING FROM SCHOOL
BOARD. MEMBERS COMPLAINING ABOUT
SCHOOL BOARDS WHO DON'T ALWAYS
GET APPROPRIATELY TRAINED ON HOW
TO CONDUCT BUSINESS AND WHAT
THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO THE PUBLIC
ARE AND WHETHER IT'S WATER
DISTRICTS. OTHER SPECIAL
DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARDS WHO TEND
THAT TO BE VERY EXPERIENCED.
THIS CAN CERTAINLY. BRAISED
CHALLENGES, SO I THINK IT'S
INCUMBENT ON ALL OF US. AND I AM
HOPING THIS BILL MOVES FORWARD
AND I'M RECOMMENDING AN EYE BONE
ON THIS. TO BE TRACKING AND
PAYING ATTENTION. AND IF THIS
GETS ABUSED, THEN I THINK IT
ISN'T COMING ON US AS
POLICYMAKERS FOR THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA TO LOOK AGAIN AT THIS
AND ENSURE THAT THOSE AGENCIES
ARE GETTING THE TRAINING THE
SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED TO BE
ABLE TO CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS
IN PUBLIC, BUT ALSO RESPECT THE
PUBLIC'S RIGHTS TO BE ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE. SO WITH THAT
SENATOR, YOU MAY CLOSE. AGAIN
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. APPRECIATE
YOUR COMMENTS APPRECIATE. I
APPRECIATE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
OF COURSE, AS DO ALL OF US HAVE
BEEN WORKING ON THE BILL. AND OF
COURSE, THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS.
I AGREE WITH THE LEAD WITNESSES
ON THAT IT'S BEEN ABSOLUTELY
INSTRUMENTAL AND WATCHING
STAKEHOLDERS FROM ALL VIEWPOINTS
COME TOGETHER ON THIS BILL, TOO.
LITERALLY. LITERALLY TAKE UP AT
TIMES. ONE WORD. ONE WORD IN THE
BILL THAT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED
OR MODIFIED. UM WE JUST I WANTED
I WAS LISTENING. I'M GONNA GET
TO THE POINT HERE. I WONDER LIST
I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE. THE
OPPOSITION. WE BELIEVE THOSE OF
US ADVANCING THE BILL AS AUTHOR
OF THE BILL, UH, THAT THIS BILL
WILL ACTUALLY HELP CLEAR UP THE
SITUATION THAT THE FIRST
OPPOSITION WITNESSES WITNESS WAS
IN BECAUSE IT DEFINES VERY, VERY
CLEARLY. WHAT A WILLFUL
DISRUPTION ACTUALLY IS, AS WE
ALL KNOW, UNDER THE BROWN ACT,
YOU CAN REMOVE SOMEONE RIGHT
NOW, IRRESPECTIVE OF THIS
LEGISLATION, BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR
WHAT CONSTITUTES A WILLFUL
DISRUPTION. THIS BILL CHANGES
THAT AND NONE OF IT IS AROUND
SPEECH. IT'S ALL AROUND. AS YOUR
ANALYSIS SHOWS. THREATS, ACTUAL
THREATS. AND WHAT'S DEFINED IN
THE BILL. AND IN A COUPLE OF
SHORT PARAGRAPHS THAT REALLY
CONSTITUTES THE KIND OF
DISRUPTION THAT LITERALLY MAKES
IT INFEASIBLE. OR IMPEDES THE
ABILITY FOR THE MEETING TO GO
ON. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE
AND OF COURSE, WE WILL CONTINUE
TO MONITOR THE EFFECTSOF THE
BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SENATOR. ALL RIGHT.
SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. I'LL
TAKE A MOTION ON SB 1100. THANK
YOU. THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE
A SECOND AND A SECOND AND THAT
MOTION IS DUE PASS. CALL THE
ROLL, PLEASE. CUNNINGHAM BLOOM.
BLOOM. I DAVIES DAVIES, NO,
HANEY. HANEY I CHOLERA COBRA. I
KYLIE. KYLIE NO MAIENSCHEIN.
REYES RAISE I RIVAS. THAT BILL
NEEDS ONE MORE. AND SO I WILL
PUT IT ON CALL. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU. AH REMEMBER,
GARCIA, YOU'RE HERE TO PRESENT
OUR ITEM NUMBER SIX. SB 10 17 ON
BEHALF OF SENATOR EDMUND. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SB 10 17 BY
MISS SENATOR EGGMAN FIRST SHE
WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FURTHER EXTENSIVE
WORK. BUT THE AUTHOR STUFF ON
THIS REALLY IMPORTANT BILL,
WHICH IS ALSO A LET'S SAY THE
WOMEN'S CAUCUS PRIORITY BILL. TO
GO WITH DISABILITY, KEEP
SURVIVORS OF VIOLENCE AND ABUSE
AND STABLE HOUSING BY INCREASING
EVICTION PROTECTIONS. PROVIDING
SAFETY AND STABILITY AS THEY
HEAL FROM TRAUMA. WE KNOW THAT
WITHOUT DEPENDABLE HOUSING
VICTIMS ARE PRESSURED TO STAY IN
ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS, AVOID
HEALTHINESS, STABILITY OR
HOMELESSNESS. NATIONALLY 57% OF
THE HOUSE WOMEN REPORTED
DOMESTIC BALANCE LISTENING
IMMEDIATE CAUSE OF THEIR
HOMELESSNESS. WITHOUT FURTHER
PROTECTIONS ARE HOUSING LOSS
EFFECTIVELY PUSHED PEOPLE INTO
MAKING THE IMPOSSIBLE DECISION
CHOOSING BETWEEN STAYING IN AN
ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP OR LEAVING
AND BECOMING HOMELESS. DOES
BILLY INCREASES PROTECTIONS FOR
SURVIVORS BY AMENDING CURRENT
EVICTION LAW TO EXPAND THE
DOCUMENTATION OF A SURVIVOR CAN
SUBMIT TO PROVE THEY ARE A
VICTIM OF VIOLENCE. CURRENT LOT
AND JUSTLY REVOKES HOUSING
PROTECTIONS IF A PERPETRATOR
COMES ONTO THE PROPERTY WITHOUT
THE TENANTS, KNOWLEDGE OR THE
PROPERTY TO TAKE CARE OF, OR ON
THEIR PROPERTY, TAKE CARE OF
FAMILY AND RELATIONSHIP
OBLIGATIONS, SUCH AS CHILD
VISITATION EXCHANGES. THIS WILL
STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
PROTECT SURVIVORS OF A BROADER
RANGE OF VIOLENT ACTS AND
IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS AND
SURVIVORS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER
HOUSING PROTECTIONS FOR
SURVIVORS. THIS BILL GIVES
SURVIVORS RECOURSE IF THE
LANDLORD DOES NOT FOLLOW THEIR
EARLY LEASE TERMINATION LAWS BY
THE UNITED THERE RIGHT OR
DISCLOSING THEIR CONFIDENTIAL
INFORMATION. AND IT PROVIDES FOR
PARTIAL EVICTION THAT REMOVES
THE PERPETRATORS OF ABUSE OR
VIOLENCE, BUT GIVES THE
SURVIVORS AND THEIR FAMILIES THE
RIGHT TO REMAIN IN THE HOME.
WHAT THIS BILL DOES NOT DO. THE
BILL DOES NOT MEAN PERPETRATORS
CAN COME ONTO OUR PROPERTY AND
THROUGH IT AND OR HURT PEOPLE
WITHOUT FACING LEGAL
CONSEQUENCES. THIS BUILDING, NOT
MAKE IT HARDER FOR LANDLORDS TO
BRIG. PERPETRATORS. IT DOES NOT
MEAN PERPETRATORS CAN CAUSE
PROBLEMS ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT
FACING LEGAL CONSEQUENCES.
NOTHING IN THIS BILL MAKES
NOTHING IN THIS BILL THAT MAKES
LIFE EASIER FOR PERPETRATORS. IT
DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF THE
PERPETRATOR COMES INTO THE
PROPERTY WITHOUT THE PERMISSION
OF THE SURVIVOR, OR IT COMES
ONTO THEIR PROPERTY TO TAKE CARE
OF RELATIONSHIP AND FAMILY
OBLIGATIONS, THAT SURVIVOR AND
THE REST OF THE FAMILY DO NOT
LOSE THEIR HOME. TODAY I HAVE
TWO WITNESSES WITH ME TO PROVIDE
TESTIMONY AND SUPPORTED THIS
BILL. SUZANNE DERSHOWITZ WITH
THE SALAS POLICY INSTITUTE.
FELLOW CALIFORNIA WOMEN'S
FOUNDATION AND NAYA GÓMEZ FROM
BELOVED SURVIVOR. I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR MY VOTE. THANK YOU, AND
SOME OF THEM ARE. THERE ARE
TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS AT THE TOP
OF PAGE EIGHT SENATORS TAKING
THOSE AUTHORS AMENDMENTS? YES.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT. FIRST WITNESS, PLEASE.
CHAIRMAN STONE AND MEMBERS. I'M
SUZANNE DERSCHAU. EMMA SALAS
POLICY INSTITUTE ELLOW WITH THE
WOMEN'S FOUNDATION OF CALIFORNIA
, A CO SPONSOR OF THIS BILL. I'M
HERE TO SPEAK INSTRONG SUPPORT
OF SB 10 17, WHICH STRENGTHENS
CALIFORNIA'S EVICTION
PROTECTIONS FOR SURVIVORS.
SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
AND OTHER FORMS OF VIOLENT CRIME
ARE AT INCREASED RISK OF HOUSING
INSTABILITY IN A C L U REPORT
STATED THAT 50% OF US CITIES
SURVEYED REPORTED THAT DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE IS A PRIMARY CAUSE OF
HOMELESSNESS. CALIFORNIA LAW IS
SUPPOSED TO PREVENT TENANTS FROM
BEING EVICTED BECAUSE THEY WERE
ABUSED, BUT FAMILIES CONTINUE TO
BE EVICTED BECAUSE OF SEVERAL
GAPS IN CURRENT LAW. AS SPEED 10
17 WILL STRENGTHEN EXISTING
PROTECTIONS AND HELP TO ENSURE
THAT NO SURVIVOR CAN BE EVICTED
BECAUSE OF ACTS OF ABUSE
COMMITTED AGAINST THEM. FIRST
UNDER CURRENT LAW, THE TENANT
DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR EVICTION
PROTECTIONS IF THE ABUSER IS A
CO TENANT. BECAUSE SURVIVORS
OFTEN LIVE WITH THEIR ABUSERS.
THIS LIMITATION MEANS MANY
SURVIVORS ARE NOT PROTECTED. SB
10 17 PROVIDES FOR A PARTIAL
EVICTION THAT ALLOWS THE
LANDLORD TO REMOVE THE ABUSIVE
TENANT WITHOUT REMOVING THE
SURVIVOR AND THEIR FAMILY.
ALLOWING THE SURVIVOR TO RETAIN
THEIR TENDENCY AND STAY IN THE
HOME IS CRITICAL TO END THE
CYCLE OF ABUSE AND PREVENT
HOUSING, INSECURITY AND
HOMELESSNESS. THE BILL DOES NOT
MAKE IT HARDER FOR LANDLORDS TO
EVICT ABUSERS. SECOND UNDER
CURRENT LAW, THE TENANT LOSES
THE EVICTION PROTECTIONS IF THE
ABUSER RETURNS TO THE PROPERTY.
OFTEN AN ABUSER WILL SHOW UP AT
A SURVIVOR'S HOME WITHOUT THEIR
PERMISSION TO EXERT POWER AND
CONTROL OVER THEM. OR THEY NEED
TO RETURN TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS
OR THEIR BELONGINGS. A SPEED 10
17 PROTECTS SURVIVORS FROM BEING
EVICTED BECAUSE AN ABUSER CAME
ON THE PROPERTY AGAINST THEIR
WILL, OR WITH THEIR PERMISSION
TO TAKE CARE OF FAMILY
OBLIGATIONS, SUCH AS CHILD
VISITATION EXCHANGES. THIS BILL
IS NECESSARY TO KEEP SURVIVORS
AND THEIR CHILDREN STABLE HOUSE
DURING A HISTORIC HOUSING CRISIS
. I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE
COMMITTEE TO VOTE I THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE
ON THE TELEPHONE. NAYA GÓMEZ.
NOW YOU GÓMEZ. ARE YOU WITH US?
OPERATOR. DO WE HAVE NAYA GÓMEZ
ON THE PHONE. I DO NOT SEE HER.
OKAY? WE WILL THEN MOVE ON. AND
IF SHE CALLS IN WILL ALLOW HER
TO TESTIFY. IS THERE ANYONE IN
THE HEARING ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF SB 10 17.
GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS CARON LING ON BEHALF OF
THE CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN
FRANCISCO AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
HI GOOD MORNING, ANTHONY LIU FOR
THE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL, AND WE SUPPORT THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. OTHERS IN
SUPPORT OF SB 10 17. ALRIGHT
SEEING NONE. HELLO IS THIS NHI
GÓMEZ? LET'S GÓMEZ IS ON. YES
PERFECT. GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS MY
NAME IS NAME GOLDMAN. I AM FROM
CENTRAL VALLEY AND I MISS
SURVIVOR AND KNOWN FOR DIRECT
EXPERIENCE THAT PROTECTING
HOUSING RIGHTS FOR VICTIMS CAN
SAVE LIVES AND REDUCE TRAUMA. NO
ONE SHOULD HAVE THE BURDEN OF
BEING A VICTIM. WELL, WE'VE GOT
RAIN FROM PAYING OF BEING HURT,
ESPECIALLY DURING THIS PANDEMIC
. WELL, THE SHELTERS ARE FULL. I
DON'T HAVE MUCH, BUT THINGS THAT
I SHOWED AND BE LIKE, BELONG TO
ME WHO ARE LEFT BEHIND. DUE TO
LACK OF HOUSING PROTECTION. I
SUPPORT SB ONE. NO 17, BECAUSE
HOME WITH TREMENDOUS CONVICTION
THAT WAS ORDERED FOR BEING A
CRIME VICTIM IS AN INJUSTICE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING YOU SPEAK
. RESPECTING ASKED FOR AND, UH
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT
OPERATOR WILL ALSO GO FOR ANY
OTHER ON THE PHONE WHO WOULD
LIKE TO INDICATE SUPPORT FOR SB
10 17 AND WILL NOT TAKE FURTHER
TESTIMONY NOW, BUT JUST NAME,
AFFILIATION AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF THIS LEGISLATION,
PLEASE PRESS 10 TO THE LINE OF
62. GOOD MORNING, REBECCA
GONZALEZ FOR THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS,
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. WE'LL GO NEXT TO
LINE. 86. GREAT KOLINSKY ON
BEHALF OF EQUAL RIGHTS ADVOCATES
IN THE STRONGER CALIFORNIA
ADVOCATES NETWORK AND STRONG
SUPPORT. RIGHT? THANK YOU. WE'LL
GO NEXT TO LINE 54. FAIR MEMBERS
, CRISTINA SALAS WITH THE
WESTERN CENTER ON LAW AND
POVERTY THAT CO SPONSORS AS WELL
AS ON BEHALF OF NEIGHBORHOOD
NEIGHBORHOOD. LEGAL SERVICES. L
A COUNTY THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
WE'LL GO NEXT TO LINE 89. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HI ALEX BURROWS ON
BEHALF OF THE CULTURAL
RESPONSIVE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
NETWORK IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO NEXT TO
LINE 15. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO
RICHARD GALLO. SANTA CRUZ,
CALIFORNIA FORMER ADVOCATE AND
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. WE'LL GO NEXT TO LINE
85. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HE HAS
EXTRA RAMIREZ. UH ACCESS
AMBASSADOR WITH OUR VOICES AND
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVOR I
BOUGHT ON BEHALF OF THIS BILL.
THINK YOU WILL GO NEXT TO LINE
44, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS
ONLY HAPPENED. CRIME SURVIVORS
FOR SAFETY AND JUSTICE PRODUCT
SPONSORS AND URGES RIGHT BOTH.
THANK YOU AND WE'LL GO NEXT TO
LINE 31. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
CHRISTINE CALIFORNIA PARTNERSHIP
, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SO ITS
POLICY INSTITUTE, THOMAS TRAUMA
SERVICES AND PREVENTION TEAM,
BOTH COSPONSORS OF DEVELOPS ALSO
NATIONALLY. SORRY UM AND
NATIONAL CENTER FOR UFA AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
THERE IS NO ONE ELSE IN Q AT
THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU
. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO OPPOSITION
. I DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION
WITNESS LISTED. BUT IS THERE
ANYONE IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF SB 10 17. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
DEBORAH CARLTON WITH THE
CALIFORNIA APARTMENT ASSOCIATION
. FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE
SENATOR AND THE CO AUTHORS FOR
WORKING WITH US ON PREVIOUS
AMENDMENTS TO THE BILL. WE
SIMPLY HAVE TO MIGHT NOT BE
SIMPLE BUT TWO REMAINING
CONCERNS TO THE BILL, AND WE'VE
ASKED FOR AMENDMENTS IN THAT
REGARD. THE FIRST IS THAT WE'VE
ASKED THAT THE COURT REMAIN. UH
TO CONTROL OVER THE CASE AFTER
THE PERPETRATOR HAS BEEN EVICTED
. WE DON'T OBJECT TO THE PARTIAL
EVICTION. BUT IT IS A COMMON
PRACTICE IN CASES LIKE THIS,
WHERE A TENANT HAS BEEN EVICTED
. ONE TENANT REMAINS AND THE
COURT HAS ASKED THAT THE TENANT
ABIDE BY A SPECIFIC ORDER OF THE
COURT. WITH THIS AMENDMENT, THE
VICTIM WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO
INVITE THE PERPETRATOR BACK WITH
THE EXCEPTION OF FAMILY
OBLIGATIONS TO COME TO THE
PROPERTY TEMPORARILY. ARE
REQUESTED AMENDMENTS WOULD ALLOW
THE OWNER TO PROCEED MORE
QUICKLY WITH AN EVICTION IF THE
TENANT VIOLATES THE ORDER, AND
THE OWNER CAN PROVE THEY
VIOLATED THE ORDER. IT'S NOT
UNCOMMON TO HAVE PROOF THE
PERPETRATOR COMES BACK TO THE
PROPERTY THREATENS STAFF
THREATENS OTHER TENANTS. UM AND
THE VICTIM HAS INVITED HIM BACK.
WE KNOW IT'S EXTREMELY COMMON
FOR A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVOR
TO RECONCILE WITH AN ABUSER OVER
AND OVER AGAIN, ONLY FOR THE
ABUSE TO START AGAIN. IN SUCH
CASES, THE PERPETRATOR RETURNED
TO THE PROPERTY, AS I HAVE
STATED EARLIER AND CAUSES
PROBLEMS FOR THE OTHER TENANTS.
I WILL TELL YOU PERSONALLY, I'VE
HAD THIS EXPERIENCE WITH MY
FAMILY. A FAMILY MEMBER
CONTINUED CONTINUED OVER AND
AGAIN TO INVITE THE ABUSER BACK
TO THE PROPERTY, AND THERE WERE
THREATS CONTINUALLY TO OTHER
MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY AND TO THE
NEIGHBORS. BECAUSE THIS IS THE
FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE HAD A
PARTIAL EVICTION OPTION IN THIS
SITUATION. WE DON'T THINK THIS
IS AN UNUSUAL REQUEST TO ALLOW
THE COURT TO REMAINS TO HAVE
JURISDICTION OVER THE CASE FOR A
PERIOD OF TIME. SO THAT THEY,
THE OWNER CAN MOVE MORE QUICKLY
IN THE SITUATION. WE'VE ALSO
ASKED THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER
WHO HAS TO FILE AN ACTION AND
SOMETIMES 22 TIMES THAT THE
PERPETRATOR BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE VICTIMS, COURT COSTS AND THE
PROPERTY OWNERS COURT CAUSE IN
ATTORNEY'S FEES AS WELL. WE
WORKED IN GOOD FAITH OVER THE
PAST YEARS TO ENSURE THAT WE
DON'T CREATE PROBLEMS OR CREATE
ADD PROBLEMS FOR THE VICTIM. THE
VICTIM CN HAVE. THE SURVIVOR
CAN HAVE THE LOCKS CHANGED. THE
OWNER CAN CHANGE THE LOCKS THE
SURVIVOR CANNOT FACE
DISCRIMINATION ALSO BECAUSE
THEY'VE BEEN A VICTIM OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. FOR THOSE TWO
REASONS. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU
TO WORK WITH US, AND WE WILL
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE
SENATOR FOR AMENDMENTS. IN THIS
REGARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN THE
HEARING ROOM? IN OPPOSITION TO
SB 10 17. SEEING THAT OPERATOR,
WOULD YOU OPEN THE LINES FOR ANY
OPPOSITION TO SB? 10 17. WE WILL
NOT TAKE FURTHER TESTIMONY BUT
NAME AFFILIATION AND OPPOSITION.
CAN KILL. YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS
LEGISLATION, PLEASE PRESS 10.
WE'LL GO TO THE LINE OF 23. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
CREAM GREASY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
REALTORS, WITH AN OPPOSING LESS
AMENDED POSITION. RESPECTFULLY
REQUESTED. NO VOTE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. WE'LL GO NEXT TO THE
LINE OF 41. PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR
CHAIR MEMBERS, PAT MORAN, WITH
AARON READING ASSOCIATES
REPRESENTING THE SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA RENTAL HOUSING
ASSOCIATION PROPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED POSITION. ON THE BILL
AND REQUEST A NO VOTE AND TELL
THEM LIMITS ARE TAKEN. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THERE
ARE NO FURTHER IN Q AT THIS
TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
OPERATOR YOU MAY CLOSE THE
LINES. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
MISS DAVIES. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. OBVIOUSLY ANOTHER AUTHORS
FROM THE ROOM, SO I'M NOT SURE
IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS.
BUT AFTER LISTENING TO MISS
CARLTON, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE
GOOD GOOD QUESTIONS, AND I GUESS
THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WHY NOT
TAKE ON THESE AMENDMENTS SO THAT
YOU DO HAVE JURISDICTION THE
COURSE TO FOR OVER YEARS, THEY
CAN KEEP TRACK OF WHAT'S GOING
ON. AND ALSO, I THINK THAT WITH
THE LANDLORD, THERE IS A COST IN
A FEE. I THINK THAT'S MY
QUESTION IS, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS
WANT TO TAKE ON THESE AMENDMENTS
? SURE I DO. I DO HAVE AN ANSWER
FOR THAT FROM THE SENATOR. UM
BUT LET ME FOR A SECOND. SPEAK
FOR MYSELF. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF
THIS BILL AS I'M HERE,
PRESENTING IT. I'M ALSO
LANDLORD. AH AND IT'S CONSTANTLY
FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN
ENSURING WERE FAIR TO LANDLORDS.
MOST OF THEM WANT TO DO THE
RIGHT THING. MOST OF THEM
ESPECIALLY ARE SMALLER
LANDLORDS. UM WORK CLOSELY WITH
THEIR TENANTS AND TRY TO FIND
THOSE COMPROMISES ON A REGULAR
BASIS. A HAPPY TENANT IS GOOD
FOR THE SYSTEM. OUT THERE AND SO
I KNOW MISS EGGMAN IS WORKING ON
THIS AND SHE HAS TAKEN WOMEN'S
FOR THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION
OUT THERE. BUT I DO WANT TO
POINT OUT THAT THE COURT CANNOT
RETAIN JURISDICTION AFTER THE
EVICTION CASES DISPOSED OF. OF
BECAUSE THE SURVIVOR TENANT IS
THE PREVAILING PARTY. SO THE
EVICTION CASE AGAINST MR SMITH
THAT HAS FINISHED SITUATIONS
WITH THE COURT RETAINS
JURISDICTION AND THE TENANT IS
ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE UNIT SO
LONG AS THEY ABIDE BY THE
QUARTER. ARE DIFFERENT, BECAUSE
IN THOSE SITUATIONS, THE TENANT
IS THE LOSING PARTY. IN THIS
CASE, ALLOWING THE COURT TO
RETAIN JURISDICTION WHICH
CREATES SERIOUS DUE PROCESS AND
FOR HOUSING ISSUES. ATTENDANT IS
ENTITLED TO PROCEDURAL
SAFEGUARDS AND AN EVICTION CASE.
I NOTICED THAT THEY VIOLATED
CERTAIN CONDITIONS OF THE LEAST
AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT
THEIR CASE IN COURT. UNTIL THE
CALIFORNIA APARTMENT
ASSOCIATIONS PROPOSED AMENDMENTS
WERE CIRCUMVENT THIS DUE
PROCESS. UH AS WELL. IN ADDITION
, IF SOMEONE COMES BACK AND THEY
ARE VIOLENT AND NOT PROTECTED,
YOU CAN STILL CALL THE POLICE
AND STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE
JUDICIAL SYSTEM OUT THERE AS
WELL. AND SO THIS BILL IS NOT
ABOUT DOING ANY FAVORS FOR
PERPETRATORS. BUT ENSURING THAT
VICTIMS ESTATE HOUSE ON THAT WE
DON'T REVICTIMIZED THEM THAT WAY
. WE ARE ASKING INDIVIDUALS TO
STRETCHER AND WE ARE ASKING THAT
WE REVISIT PREVIOUS LEGISLATION
AND WE IMPROVE IT. OFTENTIMES WE
PASSED LEGISLATION AND OVER TIME
WE REALIZED THAT WE NEED TO
IMPROVE AND MAKE IT BETTER. AND
THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS BILL IS
TRYING TO DO. THE AUTHOR IS
COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO WORK
WITH THE CALIFORNIA APARTMENT
ASSOCIATION ON OUTSTANDING
ISSUES. SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR THE
TEENAGERS. I HAVEN'T USED THESE
TRIES TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT
WITH THESE GROUPS, AND SHE HAS A
LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION. I
KNOW THAT SHE'S CARRIED
SPONSORED BILLS FOR THEM BEFORE.
MR CHAIR. IF I MAY COULD I HAVE,
UM, THE WITNESS RESPOND TO THAT.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? YOU HAVE
WASN'T BASICALLY WHICH WAS
GIVING REASON WHY THEY DIDN'T
HAVE THE AMENDMENT WHERE THEY
WON'T TAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS. AND
SO IF THESE ARE FACTS, I'M JUST
WONDERING WHY THEY WOULDN'T EVEN
BE AMENDMENTS AND CONSIDERATION.
OKAY, YOU'RE FOR THE OPPOSITION
WITNESS. YOU'RE YOU'RE BEING
ASKED. YES THANK YOU. YES, I'M
AWARE AS FAR AS THE PARTIAL
EVICTION OUT OF ALL DUE RESPECT
, WE DISAGREE WITH THE RATION.
HELL WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN
CASES WHERE A TENANT WHO REMAINS
AT THE PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO
ABIDE BY A COURT ORDER. AND THE
JUDGE DOES REMAIN, UM OR THERE
IS JURISDICTION OVER THE CASE
BECAUSE THEY WERE REQUIRED TO
LIVE BY A CERTAIN ORDER, THE
JUDGES TOLD THE PERPETRATOR. HE
CANNOT. HE CANNOT VISIT THE
PROPERTY. UNDER CERTAIN
CIRCUMSTANCES. SO AT ADULT ALL
DUE RESPECT, WE SEE IT ALL THE
TIME IN EVICTION CASES SO WE
WOULD STILL LIKE TO WORK WITH
THE SENATOR TO FIND THAT NOT TO
MENTION COURT COSTS. THE VICTIMS
SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE COURT COSTS, NOR SHOULD THE
PROPERTY OWNER THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. SEEING NUNS REMEMBER
YOU MAKE CLOTHES RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AND I VOTE. THANK YOU.
SO THE MOTION THAT'S BEING
RECOMMENDED IS DUE PAST AS
AMENDED. I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND?
AND THE SECOND THANK YOU AGAIN.
THAT MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED. COLORADO PLEASE. STONE
CUNNINGHAM BLOOM. BLOOM. I
DAVIES HANEY. CHOLERA. COBRA. I
KYLIE. KYLIE NO MAIENSCHEIN.
RACE. RIVAS. RIVERSIDE. THAT
BILL NEEDS TWO MORE VOTES ABOUT
PLACE IT ON CALL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. WE DON'T WE STILL ARE
LOOKING FOR SENATORS GLACIER AND
WIENER. I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON
THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU.
IS THERE A SECOND AND A SECOND?
THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL ON
CONSENT, PLEASE. STONE
CUNNINGHAM BLOOM BLOOM I DAVIES
CONSENT. DAIRIES. I HANEY
CHOLERA. CHOLERA I KYLIE KYLIE.
I'M MAIENSCHEIN. REYES.
LUZ RIVAS RIVAS? AYE. THOSE
BILLS ARE ALL OUT THAT IS SP 301
SKINNER. SB 10 50 FOR KOBO. SB
10 71 HAMBURG S B 10 90, HER
DAUGHTER SP, 10, 92 OR TATO. SB
12 14 JONES, SP 12 54 HERTZBERG
SP 13 94 EGGMAN AND SB 13 96
BRADFORD. THOSE BILLS ARE ALL
OUT. RIGHT TO MORE AUTHORS. THEN
WE HAVE A 10 30 SPECIAL ORDER OF
BUSINESS.
ACTUALLY HAVE. YEAH WELL, WE'LL
DO IT. ALL RIGHT, SENATOR
WIENER. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OUR
ITEM NUMBER 10 SP 2 60. EXT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
CHAIRMAN THANK YOU. AS ALWAYS,
FOR WORKING WITH US. WE'RE HAPPY
TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS OUTLINED IN THE
ANALYSIS. COLLEAGUES SP 2 60 IS
THE CLIMATE CORPORATE
ACCOUNTABILITYACT WANT TO BE
VERY CLEAR. THIS IS A BASIC
TRANSPARENCY BILL. ALL IT DOES
IS REQUIRE THE LARGEST
CORPORATIONS WITH GROSS REVENUE
OF A BILLION DOLLARS OR MORE. TO
DISCLOSE THEIR GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS THEIR CARBON
EMISSIONS. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE
THEM TO REDUCE THOSE OTHER BILLS
PENDING AND LAWS. WE HAVE PASSED
THAT THAT MAKE THAT HAVE
REQUIREMENTS ABOUT REDUCTION.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS BILL DOES.
THE BILL IS SIMPLY ABOUT
TRANSPARENCY ABOUT DISCLOSURE SO
THAT CUSTOMERS MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC INVESTORS, OTHERS. CAN
KNOW WHO. HAS A HIGH LARGE
CARBON FOOTPRINT. AND WHO
DOESN'T? SP 2 60 FUNDAMENTALLY
AS AN ANTI GREENWASHING BILL. WE
KNOW THAT IT IS FASHIONABLE
THESE DAYS BECAUSE IT'S GOOD
MARKETING FOR LARGE CORPORATIONS
TO PORTRAY THEMSELVES AS GREEN
SPENDING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
TO PORTRAY THEMSELVES AS GREEN.
SOME OF THOSE COMPANIES HAVE
EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD TO DO
THAT, BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY DO A
GOOD JOB OF BEING GREEN. OTHERS
NOT SO MUCH AND THEY'RE
GREENWASHING. AND WE ALSO HAVE A
SITUATION WHERE COMPANIES
SELECTIVELY DISCLOSED THEIR
CARBON FOOTPRINT ONLY FROM
CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THEIR
OPERATION AND PAINT A VERY
MISLEADING PICTURE OF WHAT THEIR
CARBON FOOTPRINT IS IN
PARTICULAR, THERE ARE COMPANIES
THAT ARE GREENWASHING BECAUSE
THEY CHOOSE TO EXCLUDE 90% OF
THEIR CARBON EMISSIONS THAT COME
THROUGH THE SUPPLY CHAIN. THEY
BASICALLY CONTRACT OUT THEIR
CARBON EMISSIONS TO SUPPLIERS.
SO SP 2 60 GET IT. THIS BY
REQUIRING TRANSPARENCY REQUIRES
ONLY CORPORATIONS OF A BILLION
DOLLARS. OR MORE TO DISCLOSE
THEIR SCOPE. ONE CORE OPERATIONS
, CARBON EMISSIONS SCOPE TO
POWER ETCETERA USAGE THAT THOSE
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND
SCOPE THREE WHICH INCLUDES THE
SUPPLY CHAINS, AMONG OTHER
THINGS, THEY THE AIR RESOURCES
BOARD WILL PUT OUT THE
REGULATIONS ABOUT HOW EXACTLY
THEY SHOULD DISCLOSE THAT IT
WILL HAVE TO BE AUDITED. SO THAT
THEY'RE NOT JUST MAKING IT UP
AND THEN THE SECRETARY OF STATE
WILL POST THAT INFORMATION FOR
THE PUBLIC ON ITS ON ITS
WEBSITE. UM I WANT TO ALSO BE
CLEAR. THIS IS NOT NEW. WE'RE
NOT JUST MAKING THIS UP. THE
METHODOLOGY FOR REPORTING CARBON
EMISSIONS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR
DECADES. SOME OF THE LARGEST
CORPORATIONS IN THE COUNTRY ARE
CURRENTLY DISCLOSING AND OFTEN
DOING A GOOD JOB OF DISCLOSING
THEIR CARBON EMISSIONS. UM
COMPANIES LIKE CVS HEALTH. AN
APPLE AND ALPHABET AND, UH AND
OTHERS PEPSI WALMART ALREADY
DOING THIS. UH AND IT'S NOT
ASKING AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT FOR
ALL OF THESE LARGE COMPANIES TO
DO IT. I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY
THERE'S BEEN CRITICISM OF THE
BILL FROM EARLY ON THAT, UM,
REQUIRING THE SUPPLY CHAIN SCOPE
THREE TO BE IN THE BILL IS
SOMEHOW UNDULY BURDENSOME. JUST
TO BE CLEAR. SCOPE THREE IS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE FOR
ON AVERAGE, IT'S ABOUT 90% OF
THE LARGE CORPORATIONS, CARBON
EMISSIONS OR CONTRACTING OUT TO
THEIR SUPPLY CHAIN. UM AND SO
WITHOUT SCOPE THREE. IT WOULD BE
THE HONESTLY IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE
WORTH DOING THIS BILL. UM WE
WORKED WITH THE OPPONENTS OF THE
BILL IN THE SENATE. UM WHO WHO
RAISED SOME? I THINK SOME
LEGITIMATE CONCERNS THAT IF WE
REQUIRED EXACT SUPPLIER BY
SUPPLIER CALCULATION OF
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. YOU
WOULD BE SWEEPING IN A LOT OF
SMALL BUSINESSES, THE THESE
SMALLER SUPPLIERS AND YOU WOULD
FORCE AN EVALUATION AND
CALCULATION FROM AROUND THE
WORLD IN A GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAIN,
WHICH WOULD BE REALLY HARD SO WE
WORKED WITH THE OPPONENTS, IN
PARTICULAR THE CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE ON AN AMENDMENT. TO
ALLOW FOR ESTIMATES AND FORMULAS
AS A WAY OF BALANCING THAT THIS
IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S WELL
ESTABLISHED. THERE'S SOFTWARE
THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE
THAT ALLOWS YOU TO CALCULATE
GOOD STRONG ESTIMATES OF YOUR
SUPPLY CHAINS, CARBON FOOTPRINT
BY PUTTING IN VARIOUS OTHER DATA
THAT THEY ALL HAVE AT HAND. SO
WE APPRECIATE THE CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE. WORKED WITH US ON THAT
AMENDMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE
HAVE OPPOSITION IS NOW. POINTING
TO THAT AMENDMENT, SAYING WE
NEGOTIATED THAT AMENDMENT WITH
YOU. AND NOW THAT AMENDMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO ATTACK THAT
AMENDMENT, AND I WISH THEY WOULD
STOP DOING THAT. BUT WITH THAT,
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I
VOTE. WITH ME TODAY TO TESTIFY,
OR MELISSA ROMERO, THE
LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS MANAGER WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
, AND CATHERINE ATKIN, DIRECTOR
OF CARBON ACCOUNTABLE THANK YOU
. THANK YOU. FIRST WITNESS,
PLEASE. THANK YOU. CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. GOOD MORNING
, MELISSA ROMERO WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
FORMERLY CLC V AS WE SEEK TO
60 CLOSES A CRITICAL INFORMATION
GAP THAT EXISTS AS A RESULT OF
THE LACK OF MANDATORY DATA
COLLECTION AND REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS OF COMPREHENSIVE
GREENHOUSE GAS REPORTING FROM
THE LARGEST OF CORPORATE
POLLUTERS. THIS BILL LOOKS
SPECIFICALLY TO THE MOST
PROFITABLE U. S BASED
CORPORATIONS THAT BENEFIT FROM
CALIFORNIA'S ECONOMY AND
REQUIRES THEM TO DISCLOSE THEIR
FULL CARBON FOOTPRINT, WHICH
INCLUDES SCOPE ONE DIRECT
EMISSIONS SCOPE TO INDIRECT
EMISSIONS AND SCOPE. THREE VALUE
CHAIN EMISSIONS. THE CRITICAL
IMPORTANCE OF REQUIRING FULL
SCOPE. THREE EMISSIONS IS THAT
THEY ARE ON AVERAGE 11.4 TIMES
HIGHER THAN SCOPES. ONE AND TWO
EMISSIONS MAKING SCOPE THREE
EMISSIONS, A KEY COMPONENT TO
MEASURING A LARGE CORPORATIONS
IMPACT ON GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS. THE GREAT NEWS IS
THERE ARE CORPORATE LEADERS WHO
ARE SUCCESSFULLY DISCLOSING
THEIR FULL CARBON FOOTPRINTS
VOLUNTARILY, SO WE KNOW IT CAN
BE DONE. THERE ARE ALSO ALSO
WIDELY ACCEPTED INTERNATIONAL
STANDARDS FOR CARBON ACCOUNTING
, NAMELY THE GHD PROTOCOL, WHICH
IS WHAT THIS BILL CREATES AS THE
STANDARD FOR REPORTING. YET
THERE ARE NOT NEARLY ENOUGH OF
THE MAJORITY OF CORPORATIONS,
PARTICULARLY THOSE WITH OUTSIZED
CLIMATE IMPACTS WHO ARE
VOLUNTARILY REPORTING THEIR
TOTAL GREEN TOTAL GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS. CORPORATE
ACCOUNTABILITY IS A KEY ASPECT
TO CALIFORNIA'S FIGHT AGAINST
CLIMATE CHANGE TO 60 WILL
PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH A MORE
COMPLETE PICTURE OF THE LARGEST
CORPORATIONS, GREENHOUSE GAS
FOOTPRINTS. AS WELL AS SHED
LIGHT ON SOME OF THE MAJOR
INSTANCES OF GREENWASHING THAT
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PUBLIC'S
INTEREST TO MAKE MORE
SUSTAINABLE CHOICES. THANK YOU,
AND WE URGE HERE, THE
COMMITTEE'S I VOTE. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESS, PLEASE. GOOD
MORNING COMMITTEE CHAIR. STONE
AND ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S I'M
CATHERINE ATKIN, AN ATTORNEY AND
DIRECT DIRECTOR AT CARBON
ACCOUNTABLE. AT THE TIME FOR
CORPORATE GSG DATA DISCLOSURE IS
PAST DUE. CARBON DATA IS CORE
CORPORATE DATA AND CONSUMERS AND
POLICYMAKERS NEED THAT
INFORMATION. YOU CAN'T MANAGE
WHAT YOU DON'T MEASURE YET. THE
BOSTON CONSULTING GROUP RESEARCH
FOUND THAT FEWER THAN ONE IN 10
OF SURVEYED COMPANIES
COMPREHENSIVELY ASSESS THEIR GHG
EMISSIONS ACROSS ALL SCOPES. IN
CONTRAST TO WHAT BUSINESS LOBBY
OPPONENTS OF THE BILL ASSERT SP
2 60 IS A COMMON SENSE AND
REASONABLE POLICY AND
CALIFORNIA'S LEADERSHIP IS
REQUIRED. SB 2 60 WILL PUT AN
END TO THE PATCHWORK QUILT
APPROACH TO GHG EMISSIONS
REPORTING THAT UNDERMINES
TRANSPARENCY ALLOWS FOR
GREENWASHING BY REQUIRING
STANDARDIZED SUPPLY CHAIN
DISCLOSURE. THE GLOBALLY
RECOGNIZED STANDARDS USED IN THE
BILL ALLOWS REPORTING ENTITIES
TO USE SECONDARY DATA THAT
COMBINES ACTIVITY DATA WITH
EMISSIONS FACTORS TO CALCULATE
THE SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS IN
WAYS THAT ENSURES THAT SMALL AND
MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESSES ARE NOT
BURDENED. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT
MANY LARGE CORPORATIONS LIKE
UNITED AIRLINES, AMAZON, COCA
COLA, GENERAL MOTORS AND
MICROSOFT ARE ALREADY
CALCULATING THE SCOPE THREE
EMISSIONS AND THE EMERGENCE OF A
MULTIBILLION DOLLAR GHD
ACCOUNTING INDUSTRY. THAT
INCLUDES ACCOUNTING GIANTS LIKE
KPMG AND DELOITTE, AS WELL AS
COMPANIES LIKE SALESFORCE CAN
SUPPORT SUPPORT THOSE WITH LESS
EXPERIENCE. CALIFORNIA HAS A
PROUD HISTORY OF ENACTING
CUTTING EDGE ENVIRONMENTAL
REFORMS, FILLING THE GAP WHEN
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS
EITHER BEEN UNABLE OR UNWILLING
TO ACT ENSHRINING SP 2 60 INTO
LAW WILL BE A GAME CHANGER. AND
ALLOW US TO JOIN THE EUROPEAN
UNION, THE UNITED KINGDOM,
FRANCE, JAPAN AND MANY OTHER
COUNTRIES. IN CREATING GREATER
CORPORATE TRANSPARENCY. THE
RESIDENTS OF THE STATE, THE
COUNTRY AND THE WORLD WILL BE
BETTER FOR IT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ALRIGHT, WELL NOW MOVE TO
OTHERS AND SUPPORT WILL START IN
THE HEARING ROOM. WOULD ANYONE
ELSE LIKE TO INDICATE SUPPORT?
FOR SB 2 60 WILL TAKE NAME,
AFFILIATION AND SUPPORT BUT NO
FURTHER TESTIMONY. GOOD MORNING
, MR CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS CAROLING
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND COUNTY
OF SAN FRANCISCO BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN THE HEARING
ROOM? ALRIGHT SEEING NONE.
OPERATOR. LET'S GO TO THE LINES
. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO
INDICATE SUPPORT FOR SB 2 60.
WE'LL TAKE NAME, AFFILIATION AND
SUPPORT. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PRESS ONE
AND ZERO WE HAVE ONE FROM THE
LINE OF 1 17, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
SORRY. 1 10. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THIS IS
MARK FINSTER MAKER ON BEHALF OF
EARTH JUSTICE IN SUPPORT. RECTAL
LINE ONE. 12. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
MORNING CHAIR MEMBERS CRYSTAL
KEROS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
LOS ANGELES AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. AND NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 13,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING,
MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, VINCE. WHAT
MAGIC WITH THE CLIMATE CENTER IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT. WE
HAVE LINE 1 14, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI THIS IS MELANIE MORALES ON
BEHALF OF THE GREENLINING
INSTITUTE AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
AND WE HAVE LINE 109. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. OH THIS IS SHEILA
ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF ENERGY,
THE ACTION FUND IN SUPPORT AS
WELL AS REGISTERING A TWEENER
POSITION FOR SERIES BUT
APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS OFFICE
FOR WORKING WITH US TO ADDRESS
YOUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU. AND WE
HAVE LENGTH 51. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD MORNING. THIS IS CHERYL
CUNEO FROM SAN FERNANDO VALLEY.
CLIMATE REALITY PROJECT IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR
CHAIR. CURRENTLY WE HAVE NOBODY
ELSE IN. Q. ALRIGHT THANK YOU.
WE WILL THEN MOVE TO OPPOSITION.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE HEARING
ROOM? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF SB 2 60. UH AND I
ALSO HAVE ROBERT SPIEGEL FROM
THE CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION WITH US
ON THE TELEPHONE, SO WE'LL TAKE
ONE WITNESS HERE AND THEN WE'LL
GO TO MR SPEAKER ON THE PHONE.
GREAT THANK YOU, CHAIR AND
MEMBERS AND I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF
SINCE THERE IS A SECOND WITNESS,
UM ALICIA PRIEGO HERE ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE
MUST RESPECTFULLY REMAIN OPPOSED
TO SP 2 60. I DO WANT TO JUST
ACKNOWLEDGE THE SENATOR'S
COMMENTS, UM, AND APPRECIATE HIS
MEETINGS THAT HE'S HAD WITH THE
KALE, CHAMBER AND INDUSTRY BUT
WOULD RESPECTFULLY RESPOND. THAT
LANGUAGE WAS ACTUALLY NOT AGREED
UPON ARE NEGOTIATED, AND
ESPECIALLY WITH THE PENALTIES
THAT WERE RECENTLY AMENDED TO
THE BILL. UM. THE SCOPE WENT
INTO EMISSIONS REPORTING THAT
THE BILL REQUIRES WILL BE NEW
FOR MANY INDUSTRIES AND WILL BE
CHALLENGING FOR COMPANIES TO
UNDERSTAND AND QUICKLY ADOPT,
HOWEVER, AT LEAST SOME OF THE
THAT THAT ACTIVITY WILL BE UNDER
MENTIONED SCOPE THREE DATA. ON
THE OTHER HAND, IT DOES INCLUDE
EVERYTHING WITHIN A COMPANY'S
VALUE CHAIN BOTH UPSTREAM AND
DOWNSTREAM, REGARDLESS OF
LOCATION. UM AND AT BEST WILL BE
INACCURATE AND IN A IN A
COMPANY'S GUESSTIMATE. UM THE
GHD PROTOCOL ITSELF. STATES THAT
COMPANIES MUST EITHER FORGO
ACCURACY OR COMPLETENESS WHEN
ASSESSING SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS.
AND UNLIKE THE SEC PROPOSAL,
WHICH WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE
ANALYSIS INCLUDES SAFE HARBOR
FOR FAILURE. BUT UNLIKE S. WE
CHOOSE 60 REQUIRES PENALTIES FOR
FAILURE TO PROVIDE COMPLETE
INFORMATION. UM SO THAT IS, YOU
KNOW, AT THE HEART OF OUR
CONCERN AND PRACTICALLY HOW WILK
ARE BE ABLE TO VERIFY THIS DATA
ARE MEMBERS ARE PROUD TO BE PART
OF THE SOLUTION IN REDUCING GHG
EMISSIONS IN THE STATE AND
CALIFORNIA IS A LEADER IN OUR
CLIMATE POLICIES, BUT WE BELIEVE
THAT THIS BILL IS A DISTRACTION
FROM THE MEANINGFUL PROGRAMS,
WHICH INCLUDE CAP AND TRADE, LOW
CARBON FUEL STANDARD, SHORT
LIVED CLIMATE POLLUTANTS AND
OTHERS. SO WE WOULD SUGGEST TO
FOCUS ON THE EXISTING PROGRAMS
THAT ACHIEVE MEANINGFUL RESULTS
RATHER THAN ESTABLISHING A NEW
PROGRAM WITH POTENTIALLY
INACCURATE INFORMATION THAT
EXTENDS BEYOND CALIFORNIA'S
BORDERS. AND FOR THESE REASONS,
WE ARE OPPOSED TO ASK FOR A NO
VOTE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU AND HIS ROBERT SPIEGEL
WITH US ON THE PHONE. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR. GO AHEAD,
PLEASE. ALRIGHT ABSOLUTELY. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHERRY MEMBERS ROB
SPIEGEL FOR THE CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURERS AND TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION, OR C M TO AND MUCH
LIKE MY COLLEAGUE WERE ALSO
OPPOSED. ASKED ME TO 60. SB 2 60
WOULD REQUIRE ALL CALIFORNIA
BASED BUSINESSES AND THOSE THAT
DO BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA TO
ANNUALLY REPORT GHD EMISSIONS
FROM THEIR DIRECT ACTIVITIES AND
THOSE EMISSIONS STEMMING FROM
UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM OF THEIR
OPERATIONS. WHAT WE CALL SCOPE
THREE EMISSIONS ARE A
CONSEQUENCE OF ACTIVITIES BUT
ARE GENERATED FROM SOURCES THAT
ARE NEITHER OWNED NOR CONTROLLED
BY THE REPORTING ENTITY
THEMSELVES. I THINK IT'S VERY
CRITICAL THAT MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES
INTO A SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS
CALCULATION. THESE ARE GOODS AND
SERVICES, CAPITAL CAPITAL GOODS.
FUEL TRANSPORTATION AND
DISTRIBUTION. WASTE EMPLOYEE
COMMUTES, TRAVEL LEASED ASSETS
OF THE REPORTING ENTITY ALSO USE
OF THE SOLD PRODUCT. END OF LIFE
TREATMENT OF THE SOLD PRODUCT.
AS WELL AS FRANCHISES AND
INVESTMENTS. SCOPE THREES. OUR
SCOPE. THREE CALCULATIONS. ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH SO MANY
DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT MAKE
IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR
COMPLIANCE PURPOSES. AND WHAT S
B 2 60 YEARS AS A COMPLIANCE
NIGHTMARE FOR ANY BUSINESS
INVOLVED WITH CALIFORNIA. IN HIS
LEAD AS RECENTLY AMENDED. SB 2
60 NOW PROVIDES PENALTIES OF 25
$50,000 PER DAY PER VIOLATION
WITH THE $1 MILLION CIVIL
PENALTIES. AGAINST THE BUSINESS
FOR AN ACCURACY OF REPORTING.
THE LEGISLATION DOES NOT PROVIDE
BUSINESS ENTITIES WITH ANY SOUND
FOUNDATION OF THE HEALTH SCOPE.
THREE EMISSIONS CAN BE OBTAINED
ACCOUNTED FOR ACCURATELY
REPORTED FOR THE PURPOSES OF
THIS BILL, AND THERE'S NO CAP OR
LIMITATION ON LIABILITY LIKE THE
FCC RULE MAKING SO THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS ALSO HIGHLIGHTED AN
IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BETWEEN
THIS LEGISLATION AND THE ONGOING
SEC RULE MAKING SP 2 60 IS NOT
LIMITED TO PUBLICLY TRADED
COMPANIES, BUT ALL PRIVATE
ENTITIES. IT'S SILENT ON PRIVACY
CONSIDERATIONS. IT'S SILENT ON
PERSONAL IDENTIFYING INFORMATION
FROM EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING
POTENTIALLY EMPLOYER
CONTRIBUTION INVESTMENTS. THE
OWNERS REPORTING REQUIREMENTS
ARE ABSOLUTELY AN ISSUE. WE ALSO
FEEL THAT THIS COULD DISQUALIFY
SMALL FAMILY OWNED AND EVEN
MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESS ENTITIES
FROM DOING BUSINESS WITH
COMPANIES THAT PROCURE PRODUCTS
, I THINK ESSENTIALLY AND THEN
I'LL WRAP UP MR CHAIR. IF A
MANUFACTURER IS NOT ABLE TO
PROVIDE THE NECESSARY DATA AND
INFORMATION REQUIRED BY THE
ENTITY, WHO NOW HAS TO DISCLOSE
THEIR SCOPE, THREE EMISSIONS
THIS ENTITY WILL BE FORCED TO
LOOK ELSEWHERE TO PURCHASE THOSE
MATERIAL INPUTS PROMINENT ITTY
THAT HAS SAID INFORMATION. FOR
THESE REASONS WE DO RESPECTFULLY
ASK YOUR NO VOTE ON THE BILL
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE
WILL NOW GO TO OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION. WE WILL NOT TAKE
FURTHER TESTIMONY, BUT JUST NAME
AFFILIATION AND OPPOSITION AND
WE'LL START HERE IN THE ROOM.
THANK YOU. DENNIS ALBION E. WE
HAVE THE CALIFORNIA FAMILY
BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. WE, UH,
ARE OPPOSED. ALSO ASSOCIATION OF
MAGAZINE PUBLISHERS ALSO
OPPOSED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
EXACTLY WHERE YOU ON BEHALF OF
THE WESTERN STATES PETROLEUM
ASSOCIATION OR POST. JERRY
DESMOND WITH THE PLUMBING
MANUFACTURERS INTERNATIONAL AND
THE CEMETERY MORTUARY
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU ANYONE
ELSE IN THE HEARING ROOM? SEEING
NONE. OPERATOR WOULD YOU OPEN
THE LINES FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO
INDICATE OPPOSITION O SB? 2 60
? WE WILL NOT TAKE FURTHER
TESTIMONY, JUST NAME AFFILIATION
AND OPPOSITION. IF YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION,
PLEASE PRESS ONE AND ZERO AT
THIS TIME. WE'LL START WITH LINE
100. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIRMAN ALBERTO TORRICO
ON THE AIRLINES FOR AMERICA IN
OPPOSITION. OUR NEXT ONE IS
LINE. 60, PLEASE GO AHEAD. AUDRA
HARTMAN ON BEHALF OF THE
AMERICAN CHEMISTRY COUNCIL AND
SOUTHWEST AIR WERE OPPOSED. NEXT
WE HAVE LINE ONE AWAY, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. THE SECURITIES INDUSTRY
AND FINANCIAL MARKETS
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. NEXT. WE HAVE LINE 27,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING
CHAIR AND MEMBERS NICK CHAPPY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
TRUCKING ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. NEXT WE
HAVE LINED 77, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD MORNING, MR HE REMEMBERS
VICTORIA ROBBERY GUYS LIKE
NIELSEN MARK SUMMER ON BEHALF OF
THE ALLIANCE FOR AUTOMOTIVE
INNOVATION AND OPPOSITION. NEXT
WE HAVE LINE 1 11, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, MELANIE CUEVAS WITH THE
CALIFORNIA BANKERS ASSOCIATION.
ALSO IN RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LINE 38,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR MEMBERS DAVID GONZALEZ ON
BEHALF OF TWO CLIENTS,
CALIFORNIA LIFE SCIENCES AS WELL
AS THE TRUCK AND ENGINE
MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION,
RESPECTING ABOUT PROPOSITION.
NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 16, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HEY THIS IS WHAT I
MEAN WITH THE SILICON VALLEY
LEADERSHIP GROUP IN OPPOSITION.
AND NOW WE HAVE LINE 1 23,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING,
CAITLIN O'NEIL ON BEHALF OF
TECHNET AND ALSO THE COW ASIAN
CHAMBER IN OPPOSITION. MR CHAIR
AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOBODY
ELSE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. OPERATOR YOU MAY
CLOSE THE LINES AND I'LL BRING
IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MR KALRA.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR, AND THANK
YOU, UM, SENATOR FOR BRING THIS
BOAT FORWARD AND PROBABLY A
PRINCIPAL CO AUTHOR, AND THE
REALITY IS, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT
WE HAVE TO BE DOING AT THE SAME
TIME. THERE'S SO MUCH FOCUS, I
THINK FAR. TOO MUCH. I THOUGHT
THAT I THINK THE THINGS THAT WE
ARE DOING AS INDIVIDUALS ARE A
GOOD THING, WHETHER IT'S
CHANGING OUR LIVES BEING
ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WHATEVER IT
MIGHT BE SOLAR PANELS. UM I
THINK THERE'S AN INORDINATE, UM
, ATTENTION TO WHAT THE
INDIVIDUAL SHOULD BE DOING
VERSUS WHAT INDUSTRY SHOULD BE
DOING BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE
MAJORITY NOT JUST MAJORITY OF
POLLUTANTS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF
POSITIVE IMPACT WE CAN HAVE IS
WITH BEHAVIOR CHANGE WITH
INDUSTRY. AND IT STARTS. IT
STARTS WITH KNOWING THE DATA AS
FAR AS TO UNDERSTAND THE DATA
ALL ALONG THE SUPPLY CHAIN, AND
THEN THAT'S WHEN COMPANIES CAN
MAKE BETTER DECISIONS ON THEIR
OWN SUPPLY CHAINS. MAYBE THEY'RE
NOT EVEN AWARE OF THAT COULD, IN
SOME CASES, BE SIMPLE CHANGES,
AND MAYBE THEY COULD BE LARGER
CHANGES THAT CAN HAPPEN LONG
TERM, BUT NONE OF THAT HAPPENS.
UNLESS THEY'RE AWARE OF THE
IMPACT THAT THEY'RE HAVING. AND
OF COURSE, I THINK CONSUMERS
HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO KNOW AS
WELL. WE ARE UM WE ARE. KIND OF
SWORD FALSE GOODS, OFTENTIMES,
IN THE WAY THAT THE MARKETING
OCCURS IN TERMS OF COPANIES
BEING ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.
WHAT HAVE YOU AND AS YOU STATUS
UNDER? THERE ARE SOME COMPANIES
THAT ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING
THAT ARE TAKING A VERY HARD LOOK
IN THE MIRROR BECAUSE THEY
RECOGNIZE THAT THAT THEY'RE THE
ONES THAT NEED TO BE ON THE
FRONT LINES OF THIS CHANGE. AND
SO I LOOK FORWARD. UM TO THE DAY
THAT I THINK THAT ALL OF US ARE
KIND OF ROLLING IN THE SAME
DIRECTION. I UNDERSTAND THE
CONCERNS OF FROM OPPOSITION, BUT
I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THAT
THIS BILL WILL MOVE US.
CERTAINLY IN AN IMPORTANT
DIRECTION IN TERMS OF EMPOWERING
BOTH INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES
TO DO THE RIGHT THING, AND SO
I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE BILL. Q.
WOULD YOU HAVE A MOTION? IS
THERE A SECOND? AND THE SECOND
THANK YOU OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS RIGHT, SEEING NONE.
SENATOR, YOU MAY CLOSE. THANK
YOU RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY
VOTE. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. CALL THE ROLL,
PLEASE. CUNNINGHAM BLOOM BLOOM I
DAVIES DAVIES NO, HANEY. HANEY I
CHOLERA. CHOLERA I KYLIE. KYLIE
NO MAIENSCHEIN REYES. RIVAS.
RIVAS? AYE. THAT NEEDS ONE MORE
SO I PUT THE BILL ON CALL.
ALRIGHT AS WE WAIT FOR OUR LAST
TWO AUTHORS. MAYBE WE CAN MOVE
THROUGH THE BUSINESS THAT WE
COULDN'T BEFORE WE HAD A QUORUM,
SO LET'S START WITH ITEM NUMBER
TWO. SB 10 76 ARCHULETTA, I'LL
TAKE A MOTION. THANK YOU. THERE
IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO.
APPROPRIATIONS CALL THE ROLL,
PLEASE. STONE STONE. I
CUNNINGHAM BLOOM. BLEW MY DAVIES
DAVIES, I HANEY HANEY. I
CHOLERA. CHOLERA I KYLIE.
MAIENSCHEIN REYES RIVAS. RIVAS.
AYE. THAT BILL IS OUT. ITEM
NUMBER THREE IS SB 11 55
CAVALLERO. I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
THANK YOU. THERE'S EMOTION IS
THEIR SECOND AND THE SECOND.
THAT MOTION IS DUE PASS CALLED
THE ROLL, PLEASE. STONE
CUNNINGHAM BLOOM. BOOM I DAVIES
DAVIES, I HANEY PENNY. I CORA.
CHOLERA I KYLIE KYLIE, I
MAIENSCHEIN REYES RIVERS.
RIVERSIDE. THAT BILL IS OUT.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR. GRIEVANCE OKAY
, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ON CALL.
THIS IS SB. 1100 CORTEZ. I'M
GONNA LIFT THE CALL. CUNNINGHAM,
MAIENSCHEIN RIVAS. RIVERSIDE.
GREAT THAT BILL IS OUT. ITEM
NUMBER FIVE SP 12 Ì60, SO I NEED
A MOTION. THANK YOU. IS THERE A
SECOND? AND THE SECOND THANK
YOU. THAT MOTION IS DUE PASS
CALLED THE ROLL, PLEASE. STONE
CUNNINGHAM BLOOM. BLOOM I DAVIES
DAVIES, NO, HANEY. HANEY, I
CHOLERA. CULEBRA. AYE, KYLIE.
KYLIE. NO MAIENSCHEIN RAISE
REVERSE. RIVAS? AYE. THAT BILL
NEEDS ONE MORE SO I WILL PLACE
IT ON CALL. THIS ONE'S ON CALL
NUMBER SIX. YEAH OK, ITEM NUMBER
SIX IS ON CALL. THIS IS SB 10 17
EGGMAN. LIFT THE CALL. CALL THE
ABSENT MEMBERS. CUNNINGHAM
HANEY. HANEY, I MAIENSCHEIN
REYES. OKAY THAT BILL NEEDS ONE
MORE SO I REPLACED THE CALL.
ITEM SEVEN SP 13 11 EGGMAN, I
NEED A MOTION. THANK YOU.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THAT MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS
CALLED THE ROLL, PLEASE. STONE
CUNNINGHAM. BLOOM BLOOM I DAVIES
HANEY. HANEY, I CHOLERA. COBRA.
I KYLIE. MAIENSCHEIN REYES RIVAS
, RIVERSIDE THAT NEEDS ONE MORE
WILD PLACE THAT BILL ON CALL.
SIX. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ITEM
NUMBER NINE SB 13 87 IS SENATOR
LEMONS BILL AND TAKE A MOTION?
THANK YOU. THERE'S A MOTION AND
A SECOND AND THAT MOTION IS DUE
PAST TWO. APPROPRIATIONS CALL
THE ROLL, PLEASE. CUNNINGHAM
BLOOM BOOM I DAVIES DAVIES, I
HANEY KENNY I CHOLERA. CHOLERA I
KYLIE. KYLIE NO MAIENSCHEIN
RAISE RIVERS. RIVERSIDE THAT
BILL IS OUT. ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU. CAN WE JUST DID THAT'S
ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN GET AT
THIS POINT. SO WE ARE AT 10 30,
SO WE ARE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE A
SP 13 38 SENATOR AMBERG ARRIVES
AND WE ALSO HAVE SB 14 88. BY
SENATOR GLASER.
SENATOR AMBERG IS ON HIS WAY, SO
WE'LL BE JUST A COUPLE OF
MINUTES.
SENATOR AMBER. WELCOME MR CHAIR
. HOW ARE YOU THIS MORNING?
GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? I AM
SPECTACULAR. THANK YOU. YOU
STARTED YOUR COMMITTEE, SO WELL?
YES YES, WE WILL TIME THIS
THROUGH AND MOVE ON TO YOURS.
ALRIGHT ITEM NUMBER ONE SB 13 38
SENATOR RAMBERG. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. LET ME LET ME
THANK YOU PERSONALLY, MR CHAIR
AND I SEE MISS MERRILEES IS NOT
HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M SURE
SHE'LL BE BACK IN THE SECOND
ONE. THANK YOU AND YOUR
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR HELPING US
TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THIS
PARADIGM SHIFT OF A BILL TODAY
OF THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING SP
13 38, WHICH CREATES THE
COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE, RECOVERY
AND EMPOWERMENT PROGRAM. THIS
BILL PASSED THE SENATE WITH THE
UNANIMOUS BIPARTISAN VOTE OF 39
TO 0 CARE COURT IS PROPOSED
FRAMEWORK SPONSORED BY GOVERNOR
NEWSOM DELIVERED BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH SERVICES TO THE MOST
SEVERELY IMPAIRED CALIFORNIANS,
THOSE WHO TOO OFTEN LANGUAGE,
SUFFERING AND HOMELESSNESS. OR
INCARCERATION WITHOUT TREATMENT.
THE THEY DESPERATELY NEED. UM, I
BELIEVE WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME
FAMILY MEMBERS HERE. IF NOT
HERE. THEY WILL BE WATCHING AND
LISTENING AS THOSE FAMILY
MEMBERS KNOW THAT THOSE WHO ARE
UM, SEVERELY. HILL OF
SCHIZOPHRENIC, ETCETERA THAT THE
REVOLVING DOOR IS EXTREMELY
PAINFUL, NOT JUST FOR THOSE WHO
ARE AFFLICTED, UH DIRECTLY, BUT
FOR THE FAMILIES KNOWING THAT A
PHONE CALL AT ANY TIME. MAYBE A
RELIEF OF IT COMES FROM THE JAIL
BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT PERSON IS
AS OPPOSED TO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY KNOW THE PAIN, THE
SUFFERING THE ANXIETY. OF WAKING
UP AT THREE IN THE MORNING
THING. WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO
DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK FOR THAT
FAMILY MEMBER EVEN THOUGH WE
DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT PERSON IS,
BECAUSE WE CAN'T SLEEP. UM THIS
PROGRAM IS A RESPONSE. THE
URGENT NEED FOR INNOVATIVE
SOLUTIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE SUFFERING WITH UNTREATED
SCHIZOPHRENIA, SPECTRUM AND
PSYCHOTIC DISORDERS, OFTEN
UNHAPPY HOUSED IN OUR
COMMUNITIES. PLACE HIGH RISK OF
REPEATED HOSPITALIZATION,
INCARCERATION,
INSTITUTIONALIZATION, MENTAL
HEALTH, CONSERVATORSHIP AND
PREMATURE DEATH. AH! THIS
PROGRAM WILL CREATE, UM, A
SYSTEM WHERE WE CONNECT THE
PERSON CRISIS WITH CORRIDOR CARE
PLAN FOR UP TO 12 MONTHS WITH
THE POSSIBILITY TO EXTEND IT FOR
AN ADDITIONAL 12 MONTHS PROGRAM
PROVIDES INDIVIDUALS WITH A
CLINICALLY APPROPRIATE COMMUNITY
BASED SET OF SERVICES AND
SUPPORTS THAT ARE CULTURALLY AND
LINGUISTICALLY COMPETENT. THIS
INCLUDES SHORT TERM
STABILIZATION, MEDICATIONS,
WELLNESS AND RECOVERY SUPPORTS
AND CONNECTION TO SOCIAL
SERVICES, INCLUDING, AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, HOUSING. WE'VE
TAKEN SEVERAL ROUNDS OF
COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENTS
THROUGHOUT THIS BILL'S JOURNEY,
AND IT BUILT CONTINUES TO
IMPROVE. UM IN THE SENATE. WE
STRENGTHEN THE HOUSING COMPONENT
THE CARE PLAN, ALONG WITH LOCAL
GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY, WHICH
IS CRITICAL, UM, HOUSING FOR
PURPOSES OF A STABILIZING
SOMEONE WHO IS ACUTELY ILL IS
CRITICAL. UM WE PROVIDED A
SERIES OF KEY CLARIFICATIONS
RECOMMENDED BY A RANGE OF STATE
STAKEHOLDERS. UM WE'VE ALSO
TIGHTENED UP THE PRESUMPTION
LANGUAGE, LOOSEN LOOSENING THE
COUNTY SANCTIONS PIECE, BUT
MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS A TOOL
BY A JUDGE WHO HAS
RESPONSIBILITY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ADMINISTERING
THE PLAN TO REQUIRE THAT THOSE
WITH THE RESOURCES STEP UP AND
PROVIDE THOSE RESOURCES,
CLARIFYING MEDICATION ORDERS AND
DUE PROCESS PROTECTIONS.
INCREASING THE PETITION
REQUIREMENTS AND PROCESS IN
FAVOR OF THE PERSON SUBJECT TO
THE PETITION. I WANT TO MAKE IT
CLEAR THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE CARE
COURTS. IN THE AND THE PROGRAM
AND THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE TRYING
TO DESIGN RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT A
CONSERVATORSHIP. THERE IS NO
SUBSTITUTION AND NO SUBSTITUTE
DECISION MAKER FOR THE PERSON
CARE COURT DOES NOT CREATE A
PATH TO ARREST. QUÊ RECORDS ARE
NOT A FUNCTION OF CRIMINAL
COURTS. FUNCTION OF CIVIL COURTS
COURT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR FORCED
AND VOLUNTARY MEDICATION HERE AT
COURT PARTICIPANTS CANNOT BE
FORCED TO PARTICIPATE.
ENFORCEMENT WILL NOT ARREST THEM
IF THEY DO NOT COME TO COURT.
AND KYRA COURT DOES NOT INVOLVE
SECURE FACILITIES. FINALLY, CARE
COURT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY RIGHTS
DUE PROCESS IS PROTECTED AND
SELF DETERMINATION IS SUPPORTED.
IT'S SIMPLY A CREATIVE AND
COLLABORATIVE SOLUTION TO AN
ACUTE PROBLEM THAT WE AND
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
CALIFORNIANS OF DEALING WITH
QUITE SOME TIME. WITH ME IS DR
GALLEY, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND
HUMAN SERVICES, AND CHRISTINA
RUPP, DIRECTOR OF PROGRAMS FOR
CRISIS INTERVENTION, TRAINING
INTERNATIONAL AND NAMI. SHE'S
ANOMIE, CALIFORNIA BOARD MEMBER,
DR GALLEY. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE
GOING TO HANDLE THIS ONE A
LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. WE'VE
HAD A LOT OF FOLKS ON THE
SUPPORT OPPOSITION AND THEN SORT
OF IN THE NEBULOUS AREA IN
BETWEEN, SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
TRY TO DO IS 10 MINUTES FOR
SUPPORT. 10 MINUTES FOR
OPPOSITION 10 MINUTES FOR THOSE
IN BETWEEN. AND THEN WHEN WE GO
TO THE PHONE LINES AND JUST FOR
THOSE WHO ARE ON THE LINES AND
SOME OF THE PRIMARY WITNESSES
FOR WITHIN THOSE 10 MINUTE
BLOCKS OR ON THE PHONE, SOME ARE
HERE. WE WILL DO THAT THE BEST
WE CAN. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE
OTHERS WHO WANT TO INDICATE
SUPPORT OPPOSITION OR IN
BETWEEN, WE'LL START IN THE
HEARING ROOM. WILL DO ALL F
THOSE TOGETHER. SO IF YOU'RE IN
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OR IN
BETWEEN, AND NOT GIVING
TESTIMONY, BUT JUST WANT TO
INDICATE SUCH WE'LL ASK FOR
EVERYONE TO COME UP. THEN WE'LL
MOVE TO THE PHONE LINES AND
AGAIN. DO THAT IN A BLOCK.
RATHER THAN BREAKING IT DOWN SO
THAT WE CAN GET EVERYONE WHO
WANTS TO BE HEARD. HEARD SO, DR
GALLEY WELCOME HERE, AND WE WILL
START THE SUPPORT. I APPRECIATE
YOU BEING WITH US. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S AND CHAIR.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE FOR HAVING ME
TODAY, SENATOR UMBERG AND
SENATOR EGGMAN WHO'S NOT HERE
WITH US TODAY. UH FOR ALL OF THE
TREMENDOUS WORKING TOGETHER AND
LET ME START BY ACKNOWLEDGING
FIRST WHAT A DIFFICULT QUESTION
AND CHALLENGES IN FRONT OF US,
UH AND TO FIRST ALSO THINK THE
PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT
HAVE GIVEN GREAT FEEDBACK.
REALLY THE BACK AND FORTH ON SO
MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES HAS BEEN
HEARTENING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE
TO MEET ON A NUMBER OF THE
TOPICS AND REALLY ADVANCED
AMENDMENTS AND CONCEPTS THAT I
THINK DO CREATE IMPORTANT
IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEN ALSO JUST
TO SAY, UH, THE AMAZING
GRATITUDE I HAVE, AND I THINK
THE ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION I
THINK THE ENTIRE LEGISLATURE HAS
FOR THE TREMENDOUS WORK THAT
HAPPENS IN COMMUNITIES TODAY FOR
EXACTLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE
HOPING TO DO MORE FOR THROUGH
THE CARE COURT PROGRAM. AND UH,
I WANT TO START BY REALLY JUST
FOCUSING ON TWO WORDS.
PRIORITIZATION AND
ACCOUNTABILITY. REALLY? WHAT
CHARACTER COURT IS PROPOSING AS
A NEW PATHWAY, NOT A NEW PROGRAM
, NOT A NEW SET OF
RESPONSIBILITIES. BUT REALLY TO
SAY. WE KNOW, SEE, FEEL INTERACT
WITH SO MANY CALIFORNIANS WHO
ARE VERY SICK, VERY VULNERABLE,
OFTEN LIVING ON HOUSED ON THE
STREETS. AND OUR ANSWER IS TO
WALK BY THEM UNTIL EITHER
CHARGES LIKE CRIME IS COMMITTED
TO CHARGES MADE OR FOR
HOSPITALIZATION THROUGH OUR 51
50 OR LPS PROCESS AND AT SOME
POINT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE IMPACT
AND EFFECT OF OUR CURRENT
SYSTEM. AH WE MUST ASK, WHAT
MORE CAN WE DO TO PRIORITIZE
THIS POPULATION AND CARE COURT
CREATES A SYSTEM OF
PRIORITIZATION THAT SAYS YES, WE
UNDERSTAND. THERE ARE THE WHOLE
HOST OF IMPORTANT BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH CONCERNS IN OUR
COMMUNITY. AND THAT WE ARE
LOOKING TO SAY THAT THIS IS A
GROUP THAT BECAUSE OF HOW SICK
THEY ARE, BECAUSE OF HOW
VULNERABLE THEY ARE. WE NEED TO
PRIORITIZE THEM. AND MAKE SURE
THAT OUR RESOURCES OUR EFFORTS,
OUR STAFF. OUR DOLLARS ARE
HOUSING. AVAILABILITY CAN MEET
THEIR NEEDS SO THERE ARE NO
LONGER AS VULNERABLE NO LONGER
THREATENED BY DEATH OR ARREST OR
INVOLUNTARY HOSPITALIZATION, AS
WE HAVE TODAY. BUT THE
PRIORITIZATION CANNOT HAPPEN. IT
MUST HAPPEN TOGETHER WITH THE
ACCOUNTABILITY. AND CARE COURT
CREATES THAT ACCOUNTABILITY
THROUGH THE COURTS THAT THOSE OF
US COUNTY CITIES, OTHERS WHO
RECEIVE RESOURCES TO PROVIDE THE
THREE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE CARE
COURT PLAN. THE CARE PLAN. FIRST
STABILIZATION MEDICATIONS.
SECOND A TREATMENT TEAM THAT IS
SKILLED AND ABLE TO INTERACT
HOLISTICALLY WITH THE INDIVIDUAL
IN A PERSON CENTERED WAY AND
HOUSING. SAID THOSE ENTITIES
THAT ARE RECEIVING FUNDING. TO
DELIVER ANY OF THOSE THREE
PIECES ARE PART OF THAT
ACCOUNTABILITY PROCESS TO ENSURE
THAT WE'RE NOT JUST
PRIORITIZATION PRIORITIZING
INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT A SENSE OF
STRONG ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT THAT
ACCOUNTABILITY SUPPORTS THIS
PRIORITIZATION SO TOGETHER THOSE
TWO CONCEPTS, PRIORITIZATION
ACCOUNTABILITY WILL HELP US MOVE
FORWARD IN A PATHWAY THAT I
THINK ALLOWS US TO BE UPSTREAM.
AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE
MISUNDERSTAND WHAT WE MEAN BY
UPSTREAM. WE ARE NOT SAYING
UPSTREAM THAT THESE ARE
INDIVIDUALS WHO AREN'T QUITE
SICK ENOUGH. WEREN'T QUITE DEEP
COMPENSATED ENOUGH WHO AREN'T
QUITE VULNERABLE ENOUGH. THEY
ARE CLEARLY SOME OF THE MOST
VULNERABLE, SICK AND AT RISK
INDIVIDUALS IN CALIFORNIA. THE
CONCEPT OF UPSTREAM IS LET'S NOT
REQUIRE US TO WAIT. INTEL AN
ARREST IS MADE UNTIL THE THIRD
OR 4TH 51 50 HOSPITALIZATION IN
THE SAME CALENDAR YEAR HAS TO
OCCUR. WHAT'S COME IN EARLY
LET'S PUT AND WRAP AROUND THE
INDIVIDUAL WITH A SET OF
RESOURCES THAT WE KNOW ARE
AVAILABLE TO SOME IN THE COUNTY.
WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE THOSE AND
MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SERVE THEM
EARLIER. TO THIS END. I THINK
THE VISION AND HOPE IS THIS IS
NOT A SOLUTION FOR EVERY
INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS. THIS IS NOT A
SOLUTION FOR EVERYONE WITH A
SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS OR
SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. WE ARE
FOCUSED. KIND OF KEY SET OF
INDIVIDUALS. WE ESTIMATE 7 TO
12,000 INDIVIDUALS ACROSS THE
STATE THAT IF SUPPORTED AND
SERVED IN THIS WAY, WE BELIEVE
WE CAN CHANGE THE ARC OF THEIR
LIFE. SPEND IT TOWARDS SUCCESS,
AFFECTIVE, LIVING AND ENGAGEMENT
IN THE COMMUNITY TO AVOID SOME
OF THESE OTHER, MORE
TRAUMATIZING, FRANKLY, MORE
COSTLY, MORE IN STAGE
INTERVENTIONS THAT WE DEPEND ON
TODAY. SO WITH THAT, UH, I LOOK
FORWARD TO THE TESTIMONY OF
CHRIS WHO I BELIEVE IS NEXT AND
AVAILABLE BY PHONE. YES I DO
HAVE CHRISTINA WROTE. AND I
GUESS WITH US ON THE TELEPHONE,
ARE YOU ARE YOU WITH US? MY
TESTIMONY TODAY. IN ADDITION TO
MY PROFESSIONAL CREDENTIALS AND
EXPERIENCE I'M A FAMILY MEMBER
AND I'M APPEAR AND I SUPPORT
CARE COURTS. THIS IS A MUCH
NEEDED TOOL FOR A SMALL BUT VERY
VULNERABLE POPULATION OF
INDIVIDUALS LIVING WITH SERIOUS
MENTAL ILLNESS. ALLOWING THEM AN
OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTARILY
ENGAGE IN TREATMENT SERVICES
WITH MANY SUPPORT AND
ACCOUNTABILITY IN PLACE. WE DO
NEED TO DO THIS RIGHT? AND WITH
CARE. THIS WILL PREVENT
UNNECESSARY TRAUMATIC
EXPERIENCES AS THEY NAVIGATE
THIS JOURNEY. COMMUNITY
EDUCATION OF THIS PROGRAM WILL
BE ESSENTIAL TO ENSURE
SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES FURTHER
VULNERABLE PERSONS IT'S INTENDED
FOR AND AS YOU'VE READ AND HEARD
AND WILL CONTINUE TO HEAR
STORIES. OF OUR LOVED ONES
EXPERIENCES LIVING WITH MENTAL
ILLNESS. THERE IS DIRE NEED FOR
SYSTEMIC CHANGE EARLIER THAN AT
THE INTERSECTION FOR THE CARE
COURT OPTION AND WHILE CARE
COURT AIMS TO PREVENT
UNNECESSARY CONSERVATORSHIP AND
INCARCERATION, WE DO NEED TO
CONTINUE TO WORK AT STREAM TO
IMPROVE THE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM
OF CARE SO THAT ACCESS TO
APPROPRIATE AND EQUITABLE CARE
IS AVAILABLE BEFORE THAT CRISIS
OCCURS, AND THEN IT'S AVAILABLE
WHEN ONE IS VOLUNTARILY SEEKING
TREATMENT OPTIONS. BEFORE THEIR
QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THIS VERY
VULNERABLE POPULATION HAS
DECLINED TO THE HEARTBREAKING
AND UNACCEPTABLE DEATHS THAT WE
KNOW. THE GOAL OF DEVELOPING
CRISIS RESPONSE AND COMMUNITIES
IS TO PROVIDE THE MOST
COMPASSIONATE, MOST EFFECTIVE
AND LEAST INTRUSIVE OPTION FOR
THEM. FOR FAR TOO LONG. WE HAVE
FOUND OUR LOVED ONES ENGAGED IN
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR
THEIR MENTAL HEALTH CARE OR
PLACED ON CONSERVATORSHIP
BECAUSE THERE WERE NO OTHER
EFFECTIVELY STRUCTURED.
OPPORTUNITIES FOR SUCCESSFUL
ENGAGEMENT DEFINED RECOVERY. AND
I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS NEW
FRAMEWORK AND PARADIGM SHIFT
WILL ALLOW US AN OPPORTUNITY TO
HELP THESE INDIVIDUALS SOONER.
THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH FOR YOUR
TIME TODAY. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S
THE SUPPORT SIDE. OKAY THAT'S
CORRECT, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.
SO WE WILL NOW MOVE TO
OPPOSITION. I HAVE TO WITNESS
THIS IS LISTED KIM PETERSON ON
THE PHONE AND SHOW NICK WILLIAMS
HERE IN PERSON. SONIC HERE.
GREAT SO WE'LL START IN THE ROOM
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE
PHONES AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO
COME UP TO THE TABLE. IF YOU
LIKE.
YES. GOOD MORNING. ALL BEFORE WE
BEGIN. I MADE A REQUEST FOR 88
IN ORDER TO HAVE AN EXTENDED
AMOUNT OF TIME. UM, AND THAT
REQUEST WAS NOT YET. ANSWERED
FROM THE CHAIR, SO I WOULD LIKE
TO TAKE THIS TIME TO EXERCISE MY
RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN WITH A
DISABILITY TO SEE IF THERE IS AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR EXTINCTION OF
TIME DUE TO BEING A PERSON WITH
LIVED EXPERIENCE WITH MENTAL
HEALTH, DISABILITY AND THE
SEVERITY OF THIS ISSUE. THANK
YOU. SO WE HAVE GIVEN SUPPORT
OPPOSITION AND THE SORT OF IN
BETWEEN EACH 10 MINUTES. SO YOU
CAN END. DIVIDE THAT UP BETWEEN
YOURSELF AND KIM PETERSEN.
HOWEVER, YOU LIKE PERFECT. THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
, SO I HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING
REGARDING CARE COURT. I HAVE
BEEN FOLLOWING THIS BILL FROM
THE VERY BEGINNING, AND I JUST
WANT TO START BY SAYING I CAN'T
LOOK AT ALL OF YOU IN THE BACK
OF THE ROOM. BUT WHAT IS VERY
CLEAR TO ME IS FOR ONE. NONE OF
YOU ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF ME.
THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON SITTING
ON THIS CHAIR ON TODAY THAT IS
FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY. THAT
IN ITSELF IS A PROBLEM, SOME OF
THEM INTO HEALTH DISPARITIES
THAT WE FACE AS BLACK AMERICANS
IS DUE TO THE OPPRESSION OF THE
BLACK COMMUNITY. THAT CANNOT GO
WITHOUT BEING SAID WHEN WE'RE
SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO CARE
COURT, THIS IS A RACIAL
SYSTEMATIC ISSUE AS A BLACK
AMERICAN. SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO
YOU, HAMBURG. WE ARE FACING
OPPORTUNITIES IN WHICH WE ARE
STRIPPED OF OUR RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS AND YOUR TESTIMONY
TO THE COMMITTEE NOT SPEAKING TO
EVERYBODY, INCLUDING HAMBURG.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID YOU'RE
NOT SPEAKING FOR ME. YOU MAY
BELIEVE YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT
THING. BUT YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING
FOR ME. YOU CANNOT SPEAK FOR ME.
YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT I HAVE GONE
THROUGH AND YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT
MY COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE HAVE GONE
THROUGH. SOYOUR HEART MAY
INTENTIONALLY BE IN THE RIGHT
PLACE. BUT YOU'RE GOING ABOUT IT
ALL WRONG. THE WAY TO GO ABOUT
THIS IS TO PARTNER WITH THOSE OF
US THAT HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCE OF
THESE ISSUES. THOSE OF US THAT
ADVOCATE FOR MENTAL HEALTH.
THOSE OF US THAT ADVOCATE FOR
UNHEALTHY POPULATIONS. HOSE OF
US THAT ACTUALLY DO THIS WORK
EVERY DAY. WE DON'T HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY AND THE LIBERTY TO
SIT HERE AND SACRAMENTO AND TO
MAKE DECISIONS FOR LIVES THAT
ARE NOT IMPACTED DIRECTLY BY US
. I'VE HEARD TESTIMONIES OF OH,
I'M APPEAR. YOU KNOW THIS AND
THE FAMILY MEMBER HOW MANY OF
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A MENTAL
HEALTH DISABILITY? HOW MANY OF
YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT I'M GOING
THROUGH, SITTING HERE DIAGNOSED
WITH POST TRAUMATIC STRESS
DISORDER. ANXIETY BIPOLAR
DISORDER MISDIAGNOSED FOR MANY
YEARS. AS A VICTIM OF CHILD
ABUSE, SEXUAL ASSAULT AND
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. NONE OF YOU
HAVE SPOKEN TO THAT. I HOPE NONE
OF YOU HAVE ENDURED THAT BUT I
CAN SPEAK TO THAT AND I HAVE NOT
BEEN INVITED INTO ANY
CONVERSATIONS IN ANY ROOMS. NOR
HAS ANYONE THAT LOOKS LIKE ME
WHETHER THAT IS A BLACK MAN ARE
BLACK WOMAN. AND THAT IN ITSELF
IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ARE THE
POPULATION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
MISDIAGNOSED WITH BIPOLAR
DISORDER WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA
BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND
WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE A BLACK
AMERICAN, AND TO LIVE IN FEAR
EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM THE MOMENT
OF BLACK WOMAN CONCEIVES. WE ARE
AT RISK FOR DEATH. PERIOD AND
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S NO
WAY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION
WITHOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY, BUT
IT'S BEING SAID, AND IT'S BEEN
DONE. THIS WAS A RIDICULOUS IDEA
TO BRING THIS FORWARD. IN SUCH A
SHORT TIMEFRAME AND TO CAUSE THE
PANIC AND THE FEAR AND THE
TERROR THAT YOU ALL HAVE CAUSED
ON THE BLACK COMMUNITY, THE
BROWN COMMUNITY AS WELL, BUT I'M
GOING TO SPEAK TO WHAT I KNOW
THIS HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE
RIDICULOUS NIGHTMARE. YOU GUYS
HAVE CALLED ME. AND INCREASED
AMOUNT OF TRIGGER FOR MY PTSD
FOR MY ANXIETY AND FROM MY PANIC
DISORDER EVERY DAY. I MAY LOOK
VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER AND VERY
BEAUTIFUL ON TODAY BECAUSE I AM
BUT I HAVE SPENT SEVERAL DAYS IN
PANIC IN FEAR WITH INSOMNIA, NOT
HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SLEEP
, PREPARING MYSELF TO COME SPEAK
FOR MYSELF. IN THIS LIMITED
AMOUNT OF TIME FRAME TO BE GIVEN
FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK FROM MY
LIFE AND TO SPEAK FOR THE LIFE
OF NOT ONLY THOUSANDS, BUT
ULTIMATELY MILLIONS BECAUSE AS
THIS GOES FORWARD IN CALIFORNIA
, WE'RE GOING TO IMPACT THE
ENTIRE COUNTRY. PEOPLE WATCH
CALIFORNIA AND THEY WAIT TO SEE
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ON
POLITICAL ISSUES BEFORE THEY
MAKE A DECISION FOR THEIR STATE
? SO WITH CALIFORNIA BEING ONE
OF THE MOST PROGRESSIVE STATE IN
THE NATION, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY
SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF OURSELVES
FOR WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE
TODAY. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT
CARE THAT INVOLVES FORCE
TREATMENT. I KNOW THAT IT WAS
SET ON TODAY THAT THIS IS NOT
INVOLUNTARY TREATMENT. HOWEVER
IT IS. I HAVE READ THROUGH EVERY
SINGLE PIECE OF BILL TEXT. IF
SOMEONE IS RESPONDED TO CARE
COURT AND THEY DO NOT COMPLY.
THE COURTS, A JUDGE IN AN
ATTORNEY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO
TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO
DECIDE IF IT'S IN THEIR BEST
INTEREST AS A COURT TO REMAND
SOMEBODY TO CARE COURT. THAT SIR
IS, IN FACT MALES PRESENT. THAT
IS, IN FACT INVOLUNTARY
TREATMENT. YOU CAN DRESS IT UP
AND FRAME IT, HOWEVER YOU WANT,
BUT THAT'S INVOLUNTARY TREATMENT
AND THAT INVOLUNTARY TREATMENT
AS FAR AS THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS
CONCERNED, IS AN EXTENSION OF
THE CARCEL SYSTEM. WE DON'T HAVE
TIME ON TODAY TO GET INTO THE
ROOTS AND THE HISTORY OF THE
CARCEL SYSTEM, BUT WE ALL KNOW
THAT IT STARTED AT THE HANDS OF
SLAVERY. AS A BLACK AMERICAN IN
ORDER TO BE ABOLISHED FROM
SLAVERY WAS ALSO THEN WRITTEN IN
THE 13TH AMENDMENT, THAT THE WAY
TO KEEP ME AND MY PEOPLE
ENSLAVED WAS GOING TO BE TO
CHARGE US WITH A CRIME. THOSE
CRIMES STARTED AS SMALL AS
LOITERING, AND THEY HAVE NOW
GROWN AND DEVELOPED INTO THE
MASS INCARCERATION SYSTEM THAT
WE SEE TODAY AND IT IS
DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED THE
BLACK COMMUNITIES IN THE BROWN
COMMUNITIES. SO I BRING YOU TO
THAT POINT TO ALSO SAY. MANY OF
YOU, EVERYBODY HERE SHOULD BE
WELL AWARE OF THE 1994 CRIME
BILL. THREE STRIKES LAW. GUESS
WHAT? WHEN WE HAD CRACK COCAINE
BEING DROPPED IN BLACK
COMMUNITIES WHEN WE HAD GUNS
BEING DROPPED INTO BLACK
COMMUNITIES, EVERYONE THOUGHT
THEY WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING
BY PUSHING FORWARD WITH THE 1994
CRIME BILL. WE NOW HAVE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
YOU KNOW BIDEN, OTHERS SAYING
THAT THEY MADE A MISTAKE THAT
THAT WAS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.
IT WAS, IN FACT, A NEED TO
ADDRESS THE DRUGS IN THE
COMMUNITIES TO ADDRESS THE GUNS
IN THE COMMUNITIES. JUST LIKE
THERE IS A NEED TO ADDRESS THE
HOUSE LIST CRISIS. THERE'S JUST
LIKE THERE'S A NEED TO ADDRESS
THE MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. BUT
THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. THE
WAY TO GO ABOUT IT IS TO FUND
VOLUNTARY PROGRAMS THAT WE KNOW
THAT WORK. THIS PROGRAM CARE
COURT IS ACTUALLY TAKING AWAY
FROM DOLLARS FOR VOLUNTARY
SERVICES. THIS PROGRAM IS
ACTUALLY NOT PROVIDING ANY
PERMANENT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THIS PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY NOT
FUNDING ANY PEER SUPPORT
SERVICES AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO
THE POINT OF ORIGINALLY SAYING
NONE OF YOU LOOK LIKE ME. SO
NONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT MY
COMMUNITY OF FOLKS NEED, SO NONE
OF YOU SHOULD BE PASSING A BILL
FOR MY COMMUNITY OF FOLKS
BECAUSE YOU DO NOT IDENTIFY WITH
MY COMMUNITY OF FOLKS. I NEED
APPEAR THAT IDENTIFIES WITH ME.
I NEED TO BE ABLE TO CALL ON
SOMEONE FOR SUPPORT FOR ACCESS
TO CARE FOR RESOURCES FOR TOOLS
THAT ACTUALLY WORK. AND HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. AND SO
EVEN AS YOU ALL ARE MAKING YOUR
DECISIONS ON TODAY, AND AS THIS
BILL MOVES FORWARD TO THE FLOOR,
I WOULD REALLY LOVE FOR YOU TO
CHECK YOUR CONSCIOUS AND TO
THINK ABOUT THAT. DO YOU WANT TO
BE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF A BILL?
AND FIND YOURSELF ONE DAY
SAYING, WELL, I THOUGHT IT WAS
THE RIGHT ANSWER. JUST LIKE THE
1994 CRIME BILL. AND NOW WE'RE
DOING ALL THE WORK THAT WE CAN
AS AMERICANS TO DISMANTLE THAT
AND TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. SO I
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I HAD A WHOLE LOT MORE TO SAY,
BUT I JUST FEEL IT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT THOSE
THAT ARE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
SURVIVORS, SEXUAL ASSAULT
SURVIVORS, CHILD ABUSE SURVIVORS
SUCH AS MYSELF. I STAND IN
SOLIDARITY WITH YOU. I HOPE THAT
I DID A GREAT JOB SPEAKING ON
BEHALF OF US, I AM SO SORRY THAT
WE HAVE BEEN LIMITED TO SUCH A
SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME IN ORDER TO
AMPLIFY AND UPLIFT OUR VOICES,
BUT I HOPE THIS WILL NOT BE THE
LAST CONVERSATION THAT I WILL
HAVE WITH ANYONE THAT IS SITTING
BEFORE ME ON TODAY. INCLUDING
YOURSELF, SENATOR. SO WITH THAT
BEING SAID, THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ALRIGHT WE WILL NOW MOVE TO
KIM PETERSON ON THE TELEPHONE.
KIM PETERSON. ARE YOU WITH US? I
AM ABOUT THREE MINUTES. CAN YOU
HEAR ME? YES OKAY. GREAT. UM
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS KIM
PETERSON AND I AM ATTORNEY AT
DISABILITY RIGHTS, CALIFORNIA.
UM I'D LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
TESTIFY HERE TODAY AND TO THE
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR ALL OF THE
WORK YOU HAVE DONE ON THIS BILL,
INCLUDING YOUR THOUGHTFUL
ANALYSIS THAT RAISES MANY
CRITICAL QUESTIONS. I HAVE SPENT
MY 18 YEAR CAREER AS A LAWYER AT
THE INTERSECTION OF COURTS,
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND HOUSING
EXACTLY THE INTERSECTION THAT
THE CARE COURT PROPOSAL AND
HABIT MY YEARS OF FIRST HAND
EXPERIENCE TELLS ME THAT SP 13
38 WILL NOT ACHIEVE THE RESULTS
THAT IS AUTHORS SPONSOR AND
PROPONENTS SEEK FIRST I HAVE
SEEN HOW COURT IS NOT A
THERAPEUTIC OR HEALING SETTINGS.
COURT IS THE LAST PLACE A PERSON
SHOULD HAVE TO GO TO OBTAIN
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TREATMENT AND
SUPPORTIVE SERVICES. SECOND SP
13 38 DEFIES DECADES WORTH OF
EVIDENCE THAT UNDENIABLY PROVED
THAT HOUSING PURSE. COMBINED
WITH VOLUNTARY INTENSIVE
SERVICES LIKE ASSERTIVE
COMMUNITY TREATMENT,
SUCCESSFULLY ENGAGES THE SAME
POPULATION. THAT CARE COURT
SEEKS TO HELP EFFECTIVELY
CARRYING OUT HOUSING FIRST
POLICIES REQUIRES MAKING
AVAILABLE LOW BARRIER PERMANENT
HOUSING TO ALL WHO NEED IT.
CALIFORNIA IS NOWHERE NEAR
ACHIEVING THE SCHOOL. LASTLY
CALLING A PROGRAM VOLUNTARY DOES
NOT MAKE IT SO. THE WORD
VOLUNTARY HAS VERY DIFFERENT
MEANINGS IN THE CONTEXT, SUPPORT
AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TREATMENT.
IN THE COURT CONTEXT VOLUNTARY
GENERALLY REFERS TO PARTIES TO A
DISPUTE ENTERING AN AGREEMENT TO
END LITIGATION IN LIEU OF
PROCEEDING WITH THE COURT
PROCESS. AND THE BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH CONTEXT VOLUNTARY MEANS
THE AUTONOMY TO CHOOSE ONE'S OWN
SERVICES AND SUPPORT FROM AN
ARRAY OF AVAILABLE OPTIONS
OUTSIDE OF THE ARBITRARY
CONFINES OF A COURT PROCESS.
ONCE REFERRED TO CARE COURT
VOLUNTARINESS IS ILLUSORY
BECAUSE TRUE FREEDOM OF CHOICE
CANNOT EXIST IN A SYSTEM WHERE
THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR NOT
FOLLOWING A COURT ORDER.
TOMORROW IS THE 23RD ANNIVERSARY
OF THE SUPREME COURT'S LANDMARK
OLMSTEAD DECISION, WHICH
ESTABLISHED THAT UNJUSTIFIED
SEGREGATION OF PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES DISCRIMINATION
UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH
DISABILITIES ACT. WITH THE
CHARACTER PROPOSAL AND POLICY
CHOICES, INCLUDING YESTERDAY'S
ANNOUNCEMENT OF A HALF A BILLION
DOLLARS GOING TOWARDS TREATMENT
BEDS, NOT COMMUNITY BASED
TREATMENT. AND OTHER POLICY
CHOICES TO INVEST IN TEMPORARY
SEGREGATED SETTINGS. THE STATE
IS TAKING A GIANT STEP BACKWARDS
IN THE PROCESS OF FULL
INTEGRATION OF ALL CALIFORNIANS
LIVING WITH DISABILITIES. WITH
THAT? I CONCLUDE MY TESTIMONY
AND I'MGOING TO STAY ON THE
LINE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
THAT THE COMMITTEE MAY HAVE.
GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE
CONCERNS WE HAVE MICHELLE
CABRERA.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS
MICHELE CAVITY AREA. I'M THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE COUNTY
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DIRECTORS
ASSOCIATION, AND I'M SPEAKING
TODAY WITH CONCERNS ON SB 13 38.
COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
AGENCIES ARE SAYING THIS SAFETY
NET FOR CALIFORNIANS LIVING WITH
SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS AND
SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS AND OUR
MEMBERS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
SCREENING, OUTREACH, EVALUATION
, TREATMENT AND COORDINATION OF
SERVICES UNDER CARE COURT. TODAY
IN ALL BUT THREE SMALL
JURISDICTIONS COUNTY BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH AGENCIES PARTNER WITH THE
JUDICIAL BRANCH IN CALIFORNIA TO
SUPPORT OVER 400 COLLABORATIVE
COURTS FOCUSED ON MENTAL HEALTH
AND OR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS.
INCLUDING 67 MINI MENTAL HEALTH
COURTS. 165 COURTS FOCUSED ON
SUBSTANCE USE AND 18 HOMELESS
COURTS ARE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN
TRUE PARTNERS WITH OUR JUDICIAL
BRANCH IN ESTABLISHING THESE
COURTS, INCLUDING THROUGH OUR
OWN FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS,
WHICH MAKE THESE PARTNERSHIPS
POSSIBLE. CARE COURT REPRESENTS
A SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE FROM
THIS MODEL IN SEVERAL WAYS.
FIRST COURT WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY
ALTER THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
AGENCIES AND OUR COURT PARTNERS.
RATHER THAN COMING TOGETHER AS
PARTNERS WITH A COMMON GOAL OF
SUPPORTING A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT.
CARE COURT ESTABLISHES A CIVIL
COURT PROCESS WHEREBY THE COURT
CAN IMPOSE A NUMBER OF ORDERS ON
COUNTY BEHAVIORAL, HEALTH AND
OTHER LOCAL PUBLIC AGENCIES WITH
THE THREAT OF SIGNIFICANT
SANCTIONS AND EVEN RECEIVERSHIP.
THIS EXPERIMENTAL APPROACH WILL
FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE BALANCE
OF POWER BETWEEN COURTS AND THE
RESPONDENT AS WELL AS COURTS AND
OUR COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
AGENCIES. ALTHOUGH THE COURT CAN
ORDER A RESPONDENT TO DEVELOP
THEIR CARE COURT PLAN WITH THE
COUNTY, IT WILL REALLY BE UP TO
THE COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
AGENCY TO TRY AND TRACK DOWN AND
CONVINCE THE RESPONDENT TO SAY
YES. TO US AND OUR SERVICES TO
STAFF. THE COURTS TRANSPORT THE
RESPONDENTS AND ENSURE THAT THEY
ARE ENGAGED IN TREATMENT
THROUGHOUT COUNTY BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH AGENCIES DO THIS EVERY
DAY ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS. ONE
STUDY FOUND THAT IT TYPICALLY
TAKES AROUND 40 TOUCHES PER
CLIENT TO GET THEM TO YES. THIS
IS INTENSIVE AND COSTLY WORK
OFTEN BUILT ON SMALL TOUCHES. A
BOTTLE OF WATER. A GRANOLA BAR.
THE CONSISTENCY IN ORDER TO
BUILD TRUST. IT'S SUCCESSFUL.
HOWEVER THIS WORK IS OFTEN
MISUNDERSTOOD. FOR EXAMPLE, NONE
OF IT IS REIMBURSABLE THROUGH
MEDICAL, LET ALONE OTHER
INSURANCE TYPES. OFTEN THE
PUBLIC POINTS TO THE SMALL
NUMBERS OF INDIVIDUALS CONSERVED
UNDER ALTERNATIVE MODELS LIKE
LAURA'S LAW AS AN INDICATION OF
LOW PARTICIPATION, IN FACT,
HAVING FEWER CONSERVATIVES UNDER
LAURA'S LAW. IS A MARKER OF THE
SUCCESS. BECAUSE THEY'RE
PARTICIPATING VOLUNTARILY. THE
OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF
INDIVIDUALS OUTREACH TO COME
INTO SERVICES AFTER WE'VE
ESTABLISHED TRUST. AND THE
NUMBER OF CONSERVATIVE
INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTS THOSE
THAT WE DIDN'T SUCCEED IN
CONNECTING TO VOLUNTARY
SERVICES. WE INVEST SO MUCH IN
VOLUNTARY SERVICES BECAUSE A
PERSON WHO'S BROUGHT INTO
SERVICES ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS IS
MUCH MORE LIKELY TO MAINTAIN
THEIR RECOVERY IN THE LONG RUN.
AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
OLMSTEAD ACT AND OTHER LAWS
REQUIRING US TO PROVIDE SERVICES
IN THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE LEVEL
OF CARE. IF I MAY SHARE ONE MORE
EXAMPLE OF OUR VOLUNTARY
OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT. TODAY
COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH BRINGS
MORE THAN 14,000 ON HOUSED
INDIVIDUALS INTO VOLUNTARY
TREATMENT SERVICES EACH YEAR
UNDER ONE OF OUR INTERNS OF
OUTREACH AND TREATMENT MODELS.
THESE INDIVIDUALS SAY YES TO
TREATMENT AND INTENSIVE CASE
MANAGEMENT, EVEN WHILE THEY
REMAIN IN HOUSED. DESPITE OUR
EFFORTS TO CONNECT THEM WITH
HOUSING THROUGH THIS, WHATEVER
IT TAKES APPROACH IN THE END,
MORE THAN 8000 OF THEM REMAIN ON
HOUSED. EITHER BECAUSE THERE IS
NO HOUSING AVAILABLE IN THAT
COMMUNITY OR BECAUSE THE HOUSING
THAT DOES EXIST ISN'T AVAILABLE
TO THEM. OFTEN DUE TO THEIR OWN
CONDITION. HOUSING PROVIDERS
TODAY REQUIRE IF YOU CAN BELIEVE
IT. CREDIT CHECKS FOR PEOPLE WHO
ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
AND WITH DEMAND FOR LOW INCOME
HOUSING SO HIGH THEY DON'T NEED
TO BOTHER WITH THE HIGH NEEDS
AND CHALLENGING BEHAVIORS OF OUR
CLIENTS. OURS IS NOT A PROBLEM
OF PRIORITIZATION. IT'S A
PROBLEM OF ACCESS TO HOUSING AND
RESOURCES. CARE COURT IS ALSO A
DEPARTURE FROM WHAT EXISTS TODAY
AND THAT IT ESTABLISHES
ELIGIBILITY BASED ON A SET OF
SPECIFIC DIAGNOSES ALONE,
INCLUDING ONE SCHIZOPHRENIA WITH
A WELL DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF
RACIST UNDERPINNINGS. THAT
WITHOUT ADDITIONAL AWARENESS
AROUND RACIAL BIAS LEADS TO
MISDIAGNOSING, PARTICULARLY
BLACK AND LATIN X INDIVIDUALS.
THE PROPOSED ELIGIBILITY
CRITERIA THAT A PERSON IS
UNLIKELY TO SURVIVE SAFELY IN
COMMUNITY WITHOUT SUPERVISION
CAN BE VERY BROADLY APPLIED TO A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
INDIVIDUALS WITH THESE
DIAGNOSES. MEANING THAT WE
ANTICIPATE THAT TONS OF
THOUSANDS OF CALIFORNIANS MORE
THAN THE 7 TO 12,000 ESTIMATED
WILL QUALIFY FOR THIS COURT AND
THAT OUR JUDICIAL BRANCH WILL BE
OVERWHELMED BY THE SCORES MORE
REFERRALS FROM CITIES AND
CONCERNED FAMILY MEMBERS. MANY
OF THESE CALIFORNIANS WOULD NOT
QUALIFY FOR COUNTY BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH SAFETY NET SERVICES TODAY
AS CARE COURT CREATES A NEW
PATHWAY FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH
PRIVATE INSURANCE TO COME INTO
OUR SERVICES. AND TO BE
PRIORITIZED OVER THE LOW INCOME
CALIFORNIANS WE SERVE. CARE
COURTS WILL BECOME AN ATTRACTIVE
OPTION FOR THE SEVEN OUT OF 10.
CALIFORNIANS WITH PRIVATE
INSURANCE WHO ARE RIGHTFULLY FED
UP WITH THE LACK OF ADEQUATE
COVERAGE AND OPTIONS FOR THEIR
LOVED ONES WITH SERIOUS MENTAL
ILLNESS. WHILE CARE COURT MAY
ASSIST WITH HOUSING FOR THOSE
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BROUGHT
BEFORE THE COURT. WE MUST ENSURE
THAT OUR SCARCE RESOURCES ARE
NOT DIVERTED AWAY FROM THOSE
14,000 PLUS INDIVIDUALS WHO SAID
YES. WITHOUT A COURT ORDER. TO
OUR SERVICES AND THE 8000 FOR
WHOM ARE EXISTING ARRAY OF
HOUSING OPTIONS FELL SHORT. THE
SIGNIFICANT THREAT OF IMMEDIATE
SANCTIONS AND EVEN RECEIVERSHIP
FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE
COURT'S ORDERS WILL ALSO MEAN
THAT THE SAFETY NET HIS STAFF
AND OUR OTHER RESOURCES WILL BE
DIVERTED AWAY FROM BOTH ARE
VOLUNTARY OUTREACH AND
ENGAGEMENT. BUT ALSO THOSE CASES
WERE FUNDING IS VERY LIMITED
AWAY FROM CHILDREN AND YOUTH
UNDER MEDICAL OUR MEMBERS WILL
NEED TO BALANCE OUR
RESPONSIBILITIES TO MEET FEDERAL
MEDICAID ENTITLEMENTS WITH THE
THREAT OF CARE, COURT FINDS AND
RECEIVERSHIP EVEN FOR FAILURE TO
PRIORITIZE THOSE WITH PRIVATE
INSURANCE. FINALLY WHILE THE
PROPONENTS POINT TO RECENT
INVESTMENTS IN BRICKS AND MORTAR
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BUMP IN
REVENUES WE RECEIVED DUE TO THE
HEALTHY ECONOMY, THOSE ONE TIME
INVESTMENTS ARE NOT ALLOCATED
ONLY FOR, UM BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.
IT WILL NOT SUSTAINABLY FUND, A
STATEWIDE PROGRAM THAT WILL
REQUIRE AN EXPANDED WORKFORCE
TRAINED OUTREACH WORKERS AND
CLINICIANS TO TAKE ON A NEW SET
OF RESPONSIBILITIES THROUGHOUT
THE STATE. WE ARE ALREADY
EXPANDING ELIGIBILITY UNDER DHC
S INNOVATIVE CALLUM FEDERAL
WAIVER BUILDING OUT A NEW PEERS
BENEFIT TO INCORPORATE MORE
PEOPLE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE AND
FINANCING A 30 YEAR SERVICE
OBLIGATION FOR NEW
INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS ON WITH
NO NEW STATE FUNDING FOR COUNTY
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES.
GIVEN THE HISTORIC UNDERFUNDING
OF OUR PUBLIC BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
SAFETY NET. THE CURRENT
INCREASES IN FUNDING THAT WE ARE
SEEING NOW ARE SPOKEN FOR AND
NECESSARY TO ADDRESS OUR
EXISTING EXPANDED OBLIGATIONS.
OUR MEMBERS ARE APPRECIATIVE
THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK
WITH THE COMMITTEE WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THE AUTHORS
ON A SERIES OF AMENDMENTS TO
STRENGTHEN THIS PROPOSAL. WE
REMAIN CONCERNED, HOWEVER, THAT
WITHOUT ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS TO
RAMP THE IMPLEMENTATION UP OVER
TIME. AS WELL AS TO ENSURE
SUSTAINABLE FUNDING FOR COUNTY
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND PROTECT
PROTECT OUR EXISTING REVENUES.
TO PROPERLY BALANCE THE COURTS
OVERSIGHT ROLE WITH OUR
ENTITLEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES. WE
WILL NOT BE SET UP TO SUCCEED IN
TRULY SHIFTING THE PARADIGM FOR
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS IN CALIFORNIA. OUR
MEMBERS ARE DEEPLY INVESTED IN
THIS MISSION, AND WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
CONSIDERATION OF OUR CONCERNS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL NOW GO TO OTHERS WHO
WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE AGAIN.
I'M NOT GOING TO BREAK THIS UP
BY SUPPORT OPPOSITION OR IN
BETWEEN, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE
FOLKS REALLY QUITE ACROSS THE
SPECTRUM. BUT WILL NOT BE TAKING
FURTHER TESTIMONY. AT THIS POINT
. WE JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME YOUR
AFFILIATION AND WHAT YOU
RECOMMENDATION IS. LEAH BARROWS
ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA HOSPITAL
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT. GOOD
MORNING. GLENN BECK IS FOR A C L
U CALIFORNIA ACTION AND THE
YELLOW BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN
RIGHTS IN OPPOSITION. ALEX
TORRES, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT
RELATIONS WITH THE BAY AREA
COUNCIL, WERE IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. ALLISON MONROE, ALAMEDA
COUNTY FAMILIES ADVOCATING FOR
THE SERIOUSLY MENTALLY ILL AND
STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING, MR
TERRAN MEMBERS, CARON LING ON
BEHALF OF THE BOARDS OF
SUPERVISORS IN BUTTE, NORT,
FRESNO, KERN, NEVADA SAN LUIS
OBISPO AND HUMBLED WITH CONCERNS
ARTICULATED IN THE LETTER THAT
WAS SHARED WITH THE COUNTY OR
WITH THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR MEMBERS,
DOUG SUPERS ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA PROFESSIONAL
FIREFIGHTERS AND STRONG SUPPORT.
MR CHAIR MEMBERS JEAN HURST HERE
TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE URBAN
COUNTIES OF CALIFORNIA AND THE
RURAL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES OF
CALIFORNIA, ALSO WITH THE
CONCERNS POSITION. MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS POLIO TO POLIO TO ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY AND COUNTY OF
SAN FRANCISCO AND SUPPORT AND
ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
STATE ASSOCIATION OF
PSYCHIATRISTS IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS PHARAONIC DATING ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES
REPRESENTING ALL 58 COUNTIES,
WITH THE CONCERNS POSITION. MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS MIKE CARROLL,
WITH THE WESTERN CENTER ON LAW
AND POVERTY WERE IN OPPOSITION
TO THIS BILL AND WISH TO BE
ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMMENTS OF
THE OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING
DANICA ROAD ARM ON BEHALF OF
DRUG POLICY, ALLIANCE AND
OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING, MR
CHAIRMAN AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS
MENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION FOR
CHINESE COMMUNITIES. STRONGER
SUPPORT COW. THIS BILL WILL BE
THE KEY TO SAVING MANY LIVES OF
THE MENTAL HEALTH PATIENT. LIFE
IS THE FIRST HUMAN THANK YOU. MR
CHAIR MEMBERS, MATTHEW GALLAGHER
ON BEHALF OF HOW VOICES IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. SHAUN
ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS MICHELE MASAKI Ó
TRANSFORMING JUSTICE. HELLO
MARIE CASTALDI. I WORK ON
HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING,
CALIFORNIA IN OPPOSITION. MR
CHAIR. APOLOGIES JEAN HURST HERE
TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY
WELFARE DIRECTORS ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA, ALSO WITH CONCERNS
TRENT SMITH ON BEHALF OF THE
STATE ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC
CONSERVATORS AND PUBLIC
GUARDIAN'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE
CONCEPT OF CONCERNED WITH THE
LACK OF FUNDING FOR OUR
SERVICES. DANIEL SANCHEZ ON
BEHALF OF THE CHIEF PROBATION
OFFICERS OF CALIFORNIA CERTAINLY
APPRECIATE THE NECESSARY
RESOURCES IN THIS BUT HAVE
CONCERNS AS OUTLINED IN OUR
LETTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE IN THE HEARING ROOM?
SAYING NONE. OPERATOR WOULD YOU
OPEN THE LINES FOR ANYONE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE SUPPORT
OPPOSITION OR CONCERNS ON SB 13
38. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK
ON THIS MAP PLUS ONE AND ZERO AT
THIS TIME. FIRST LINE COMES FROM
35. PLEASE GO AHEAD. 1 35.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI. CAN YOU
HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. OKAY UM,
MY NAME IS AUDREY. GEORGE I'M A
MEMBER OF WHITE PEOPLE FOR BLACK
LIVES AND STRONGLY OPPOSED 13
38. THANK YOU. NEXT COMES FROM
LINE 1 74, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR MEMBERS PERSONALLY
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF BEVERLY
HILLS AND THE CITY OF SANTA
MONICA IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NEXT IS LINE 1 76. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. MY RECAP ON BEHALF
OF SAN DIEGO MAYOR TODD GLORIA
AND THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO AS
WELL AS THE ORANGE COUNTY
BUSINESS COUNCIL, BOTH IN VERY
STRONG SUPPORT. NEXT WE HAVE THE
LINE OF 1 44, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
YES HI. GOOD MORNING. CHAIR
MEMBERS. THIS IS EDWIN FOR BONE
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ONTARIO
AND SUPPORT AND ON BEHALF OF THE
COUNTY OF ORANGE AND SUPPORT IF
AMENDED TO DREAD COUNTY
CONCERNS. THANK YOU. NEXT WE
HAVE LINE 1 82, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
ARE GAMBOA EASTMAN ON BEHALF OF
THE STEINBERG INSTITUTE IN
SUPPORT. NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 90,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. THIS IS KIRK
BLACKBURN CALLING ON BEHALF OF
THE CITY OF SANTEE AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO
GO TO THE LINE OF WHAT? 91.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. 1 91 YEAR LINE
IS OPEN. 1 91. NEXT WE HAVE LINE
1 92, PLEASE GO AHEAD. TO
MILLIONS OF MONEY ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA TRAVEL ASSOCIATION
AND SUPPORT NEXT. WE'RE GOING TO
SUPPORT THANK YOU. NEXT. WE'RE
GOING TO 1 97. GOOD MORNING. MY
NAME IS MICHELLE KING. I'M A
RESIDENT OF LOS ANGELES. AND I
STRONGLY OPPOSED THE 13 38.
THANK YOU. NEXT. WE HAVE 1 86,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING
CHAIR AND MEMBERS CALLING SOURCE
WITH THE CALIFORNIA
PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION WITH A
CONCERNS POSITION. THANK YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 88, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING TURN
MEMBERS, MADELINE COOPER WITH
NIELSEN MERKSAMER ON BEHALF OF
THE KELLY IS SAN DIEGO IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT. WE
HAVE TO 16 PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR
CHAIR MEMBERS, ANTHONY MOLINA ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE 202. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, STACEY HERO
MOTO WITH REM COAT THE RACIAL
AND ETHNIC MENTAL HEALTH
DISPARITIES, COALITION AND
STRONG OPPOSITION. NEXT WE HAVE
2 22. I'M SORRY TO 24. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MANY OFFER WITH THE
NATIONAL ALLIANCE ON MENTAL
ILLNESS, ALSO KNOWN AS NAMI,
CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORTED THE
BILL. THANKS. NEXT UP. WE HAVE
LINE 1 17, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, KAREN VICKERY ON BEHALF
OF MENTAL HEALTH, AMERICA OF
CALIFORNIA AND THE CALIFORNIA
YOUTH EMPOWERMENT NETWORK IN
STRONG OPPOSITION. NEXT WE HAVE
LINE 1 17, PLEASE GO AHEAD. I'M
SORRY. ONE OH, SEVEN. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. FLYING ONE. OH SEVEN.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS DR KATIE WILSON. I
MET PSYCHIATRIST AND FOR
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. I'M VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT
LOOKS LIKE THE STATE IS NOT
PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT THE
CAREFUL PROGRAM. UM, EQUALLY
ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTIES. A
BIG MOVE ON PLEASE. NEXT WE HAVE
WINE TO 10. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THIS IS NAOMI RAMIREZ WITH THE
CALIFORNIA BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
PLANNING COUNCIL, AND THE
COUNCIL IS IN AN OPPOSING LESS
THAN THAT POSITION. NEXT. WE
HAVE LINE 1 67. GOOD MORNING
CHAIR AND MEMBERS SHARING REPORT
ON BEHALF OF THE CORPORATION FOR
SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. NEXT WE
HAVE WINE. 87, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE SHARON
GONZALEZ ON BEHALF OF THE CITIES
OF BAKERSFIELD, CARLSBAD CORONA
, REDWOOD CITY IN SANTA ROSA IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT.
WE HAVE 1 37. GOOD MORNING,
OLIVIA AND SIGN ON BEHALF OF
HUMAN RIGHTS SLASH AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. AND NOW WE HAVE 1
73. HI MY NAME IS NIKKI JONES
AND WITH MENTAL HEALTH FIRST
SACRAMENTO INCARCERATE
SACRAMENTO AND THE SACRAMENTO
HOMELESS ORGANIZING COMMITTEE IN
STRONG OPPOSITION. URGENT VOTE.
OUR NEXT LINE IS 1 32, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MY NAME IS PEGGY LEE
KENNEDY WITH THE VENICE JUSTICE
COMMITTEE AND LOS ANGELES
SERVICES, NOT SWEET AND VERY
STRONG OPPOSITION. NEXT. WE HAVE
LINE 68, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. THIS IS CLAUDIA
CUSTODY AROUND. YOU HAVE TO KNOW
WHAT'S ANGELES AREA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE COLUMN AND SUPPORT.
NEXT WE HAVE 1 72, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HELLO MY NAME IS VAL
CARLSON WITH THE HOMELESSNESS
NOW LOS ANGELES CAMPAIGN IN
STRONG OPPOSITION. NEXT WE HAVE
2 45 SO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING.
YES, MEAN PALETTE ON BEHALF OF
JUSTICE AND AGING IN OPPOSITION.
NEXT WE HAVE 1 98, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. MY NAME IS ROBERT COUPLE
I BLOCKED TO A SECOND HOMELESS
ORGANIZED COMMITTEE. STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT
LINE IS 105. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
CAROL PATTERSON WITH THE PEER
CONNECTIONS. STRONG OPPOSITION.
AND NEXT WE HAVE 1 30, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. 1 30. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
MOVING ON TO 1 24 GO AHEAD. HI
THIS IS MATT WADE RESIDENTS OF
LOS ANGELES AND OPPOSITION. NEXT
WE HAVE TO 13 PLEASE GO AHEAD.
BOGUS IS JOHN RIFLING RESIDENTS
OF LOS ANGELES COUNTY STRONGLY
OPPOSED THE NEXT LINE WE HAVE IS
1 78, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 1 78.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. MOVING ON TO
LINE 2 44, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HEY,
LISTEN, GENERAL LEWIS, I'M UM
DAUGHTER OF SOMEONE WHO HAS THE
MOTHER OF A SCHIZOAFFECTIVE
CHILD, AND I'M IN COMPLETE 100%
SUPPORT SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT
WE HAVE LINE TO 19. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. 9 TO 19. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. MOVING ON TO LINE 1 61.
FIND JULIE CRANDALL FROM MISSION
VIEJO, CALIFORNIA I'M A HOMELESS
ADVOCATE HAS GONE UP POSITION.
THANK YOU. NEXT IS LINE TO 29.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES THIS IS
PAUL SIMMONS WITH THE DEPRESSION
AND BIPOLAR SUPPORT ALLIANCE AND
STRONG OPPOSITION OF THIS ANTI
CHOICE BILL. NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1
28, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO
LAWRENCE, RAISE OUR COUNTY
COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH WORKER
STONE OPPOSITION. NEXT WE HAVE
LINE 1 85, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
BRIAN STRAP ON BEHALF OF THE
ENDANGERED HAVING COMMISSION
REPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE
LINE TO 40. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO. YES. OKAY I WOULD JUST
LIKE TO TAKE NOTICE HOW A LOT OF
THOSE BOOKS THAT DO. DIRECT
SERVICES ARE IN OPPOSITION. AND
I HOPE THAT THE COMMITTEE TAKES
NOTICE, TOO, THAT MY NAME IS THE
SANTA BARBARA, WHICH AND I AM
THE CO FOUNDER OF A PTP AND CO
CREATOR OF MENTAL HEALTH FIRST
AND VERY STRONG OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LINE TO
27. PLEASE GO AHEAD. THIS IS
THIS TO 27 I OPEN UM I'M A MY
ONLY QUALIFICATIONS ARE THAT I'M
THE, UH PARENT AND GRANDMOTHER
OF. PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DESCENDANT
LINE OF MENTAL ILLNESS. MY
DAUGHTER. AH NEEDS TO HELP
ONGOING MONITORED SUPPORT.
INSTEAD SHE'S GOING IN AND OUT
OF THE COURTS, AND IT'S GETTING
AND IT'S GOING HOMELESS. I'M
SORRY. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TAKE
MORE TESTIMONY. THANK YOU. NO
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE NEED
SOMETHING THAT I HAVE. NEXT. WE
HAVE LINE 1 58, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HELLO. GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
CAROLINE IS ACTIVE. HELLO.
HELLO. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. THIS IS
DOUGLAS DONE. PARENT OF LOVED
HIM WITH MENTAL HEALTH
CHALLENGES. MEMBER OF NOMINEE
CONTRA COSTA ANY CONTRA CROSS
SEMINAL HEALTH COMMISSION
COMMISSIONER IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 89,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS
ANDREA WAGNER PERSON WITH LIVED
EXPERIENCE AND THE FAMILY MEMBER
AND THE INTERIM EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR FOR CAM PRO, THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF MENTAL
HEALTH HERE RUN ORGANIZATIONS.
THAT SUPPORTS CARE, NOT COURT.
WE ARE IN STRONG OPPOSITION.
NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 43, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME
IS SHARON YATES. I'M ON THE
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES OVERSIGHT
AND ACCOUNTABILITY COMMISSION AS
A COMMITTEE MEMBER OF THE
CLIENT'S FAMILY LEADERSHIP
COMMITTEE. AND I AM IN STRONG
OPPOSITION OF THE SPILL. THANK
YOU. NEXT WE'RE WITH LINE 1 84,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO MY NAME
IS SYLVIA OR REAGAN. I'M A
RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY COUNTY
AND I AM IN GREAT SUPPORT. I
HAVE A SON THAT HAS
SCHIZOAFFECTIVE DISORDER AND
SUBSTANCE ABUSE. HOMELESS. QUÊ
NEXT LINE IS 1 96, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. LYNN GIBBS, TSUNAMI,
SANTA BARBARA COUNTY AND STRONG
SUPPORT. NEXT WE HAVE LINED 85,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD SUMMER.
CELTA'S MY NAME IS EXTRA.
RAMIREZ I'M SORRY, KALA PASSION
AND MEXICAN AND A MEMBER OF
GOVERNOR NUISANCE BEHAVIORAL
TASK FORCE TODAY I SPEAK ON
BEHALF OF THE 237,000. 651
CONSUMERS ARE THE CENTRALIST
KIND OF DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL
HEALTH. UM AND WHO I WILL BE
TARGETED LIKE MYSELF. AND I AM
IN A POSITION OF THIS BILL. I'M
ALSO AN ARMY SURVIVOR. THANK
YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LINE TO 39.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING
AND SO ON BEHALF OF THE YEAR YOU
CAN COUNT CALIFORNIA AND WE
STILL HAVE A CONFIRMED POSITION.
THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LINE. 1
83, PLEASE GO AHEAD. I'M TERRY
GROSS FEEL AND I HAVE QUESTIONED. NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 87, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HI I'M J P PRICE,
ORANGE COUNTY PHYSICIAN
ASSISTANT AS WELL AS MENTAL
HEALTH HERE, I OPPOSED THE 1138.
NEXT WE HAVE 1 71, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. KEVIN DREDGED ON BEHALF
OF CALIFORNIA. UH, I AM IN
BETWEEN NOMINEE, WHICH IS A
NATIONAL ALLIANCE INTO MENTAL
ILLNESS AND TO RECEIVE ACCESS,
WHICH IS ADVANCING CLIENT AND
COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT THROUGH
SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS. IT WOULD
BE GREAT TO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH
AMERICA STEP END OR WE CAN
ALLOCATE THE PROPER RESOURCES
FOR ALL OF US HERE IN CALIFORNIA
AND BEYOND. THANK YOU. NEXT WE
HAVE LINE 102, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD MORNING, RACHEL BLUCHER
WITH NIELSEN MERKSAMER ON BEHALF
OF THE CONTRA COSTA BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS WITH THE CONCERNS
POSITION. THANK YOU. NEXT WE
HAVE LINE TO 35. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HI I'M IN OPPOSITION,
LADDIE WILLIAMS FROM VENICE,
CALIFORNIA HOMELESS ENTERPRISE
AND SAVE VENICE. STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. NEXT WE
HAVE 1 33, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, REBECCA GONZALEZ WITH
THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS, CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER IN OPPOSITION. NEXT WE
HAVE LINE 1 51, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
1 51. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. MOVING
ON TO LINE 1 61 60. TAKE A POOR
REPRESENTING NAMI, SANTA CLARA
COUNTY. STRONG SUPPORT SALUTE
GOVERNOR NEWSOM FOR HIS
COMPASSION. NEXT WE HAVE LINE TO
52. PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO MY
NAME IS MARCELLO ROSEN. I'M
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CARE.
FIRST CALIFORNIA AND I AM IN
STRONG OPPOSITION. NEXT WE HAVE
LINE 1 57, PLEASE GO AHEAD. THIS
IS GENEVIEVE ROMERO, ALSO
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CARE,
FIRST CALIFORNIA COALITION AND
ALSO AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN OF
CALIFORNIA IN STRONG OPPOSITION.
NEXT WE HAVE LINE 1 95, PLEASE
GO AHEAD. BUSINESS LINDA MEMES
WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA AND PSYCHOSIS
FACTION ALLIANCE STRONG SUPPORT
FOR SB 1338. THANK YOU. NEXT WE
HAVE LINE 1 19, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD MORNING SIGNING ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA COUNCIL OF
COMMUNITY BEHAVIOR, HEALTH
AGENCIES, AND WE HAVE A CONCERN
POSITION ON THE BELL. THANK YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE 2 58, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. ELIZABETH KIND OF HOPPER
RESIDING IN CARMICHAEL,
CALIFORNIA IN SACRAMENTO COUNTY
AND STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NEXT. WE HAVE LINE TO 42. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. PENDULUM BACK WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
IN STRONG SUPPORT. NEXT WE HAVE
1 27, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR MEMBERS ANDREA
GARCIA PONCE DE LEON PIER ON
BEHALF OF SAN BERNARDINO.
FREEDOM ALL PROJECT AMIGA AND
STRONG OPPOSITION. THANK YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE LINE TO 57. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, JASON
BRYANT ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION.
WE ARE IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LINE TO 19.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. BUSINESS
RANDALL HAGAR ON BEHALF OF THE
PSYCHIATRIC PHYSICIANS ALLIANCE
OF CALIFORNIA AND STRONG
SUPPORT. NEXT WE HAVE TO 61
PLEASE GO AHEAD. LILLIAN GLAM
BEEN FROM ON TRACK PROGRAM
RESOURCES. SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE
CITIZEN, STRONG OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. AND NOW WE HAVE LINE
TO 60. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GREEN
BERT ANTI POLICE, TERROR PROJECT
AND JUSTICE TEAMS NETWORK STRONG
OPPOSITION. NEXT LINE IS 15,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. BLIND. YOU HEAR
ME? YES, SIR. LINE, 15 YOU MAKE
IT GO AHEAD. HELLO. CAN YOU HEAR
ME? YES, SIR. OKAY MY APOLOGY.
I'M HARD OF HEARING. I'M THIS IS
RICHARD GALLO SANTA CRUZ,
CALIFORNIA OF VOLUNTEER WITH
PASSES. CALIFORNIA PROJECT A COW
VOICES IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE LINE TO 68. PLEASE
GO AHEAD. HELLO THIS IS MICHAEL
RECTOR MSP AND RESIDENT. FONTANA
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT OF THE
BACK. NEXT WE HAVE BLANK TO 62.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS CD
SHOP. I'M WITH STREET WATCH AND
SERVICES NOT SWEEPS IN STRONG
OPPOSITION. AND WE HAVE LINE TO
67. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
MORNING. THIS IS CAROLINE GROUP
IN SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC
DEFENDER'S OFFICE, CURRY AND
OPPOSITION. AND AT THIS TIME, MR
CHAIR WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE.
INCLUDING YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. OPERATOR. YOU
MAY CLOSE THE LINES AND I'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
I HAVE MR BLOOM. MR CHOLERA. GO
AHEAD, MR BLOOM. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR, AND I WANT TO BEGIN BY
THANKING SENATORS, HAMBURG AND
SENATOR EGGMAN AND SENTIA FOR
WORKING ON THIS IMPORTANT AND
COMPLEX ISSUE, AND I WANT TO
APPLAUD. YOU AND THE
ADMINISTRATION FOR ADDRESSING
MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT THE
COMMITTEE HAS RAISED AND THAT
ADVOCATES OF RAISED I WANT TO
THANK ALL OF THE ADVOCATES. UH
YOU KNOW, COMING AT THIS FROM
MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES FOR BEING
ENGAGED AND PROVIDING INPUT THAT
IS MUCH OF WHICH HAS BEEN
ADOPTED INTO AH, THE BILL. THE
CARE COURT PROPOSAL REPRESENTS
AS SENATOR UMBERG PUT IT EARLIER
, A PARADIGM SHIFT IN HOW OUR
STATE IS GOING TO HELP SOME OF
THE MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS OF
OUR SOCIETY. INDIVIDUALS WHO
SUFFER AND LIVE ON THE STREETS
WITH SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS. MANY
ALSO SUFFER FROM SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDERS. MOST PRESSINGLY AT
THIS TIME METHAMPHETAMINE USE
THAT CAN ITSELF LEAD TO
PSYCHOSIS. FENTANYL USES. IS TOO
COMMON AND TOGETHER, THESE TWO
SUBSTANCES HAVE IN FACT LEAD TO
AN EPIDEMIC OF ADDITIONAL
SUFFERING AND DEATH IN OUR
COMMUNITIES IN LOS ANGELES
COUNTY ALONE LAST YEAR. NEARLY
2000 PEOPLE EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS DIED. THAT WAS A
56% INCREASE OVER THE YEAR
BEFORE AND SINCE. I THINK IT'S
2014 THE NUMBER HAS BEEN
STEADILY RISING. DEATH DUE TO
OVER OVERDOSE IS FAR AND AWAY,
LED BY METH AND FENTANYL USE
WERE UP 78% FROM THE FROM THE
PRIOR YEAR. UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC
HEALTH. EMERGENCY WE SEE THESE
INDIVIDUALS ON THE STREET. WE
ARE ALL RIGHTLY SHOCKED BY THE
SQUALOR THAT THEY LIVE IN THE
DEGRADATION THEY EXPERIENCE. AND
THE UPBEAT, OUTRAGEOUS BEHAVIOR
WE SEE AND WE VOW TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT. BUT
SOLUTIONS INCLUDING ADEQUATE
FUNDING HAVE PROVEN ELUSIVE.
CARE COURT AS PROPOSED TODAY.
MAY NOT YET BE PERFECT, BUT
REPRESENTS A SUBSTANTIAL AND
COMPASSIONATE NEW APPROACH THAT
DESERVES OUR SUPPORT AND A
CHANCE TO SUCCEED. I WANT THIS
PROGRAM TO WORK AND I'M PREPARED
TO AND WILL VOTE FOR THE BILL
TODAY AS I, UH, THINK
NEGOTIATIONS HAVE LED TO
AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE
DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED THE
PROPOSAL. AND FURTHER
REFINEMENTS WILL CONTINUE TO DO
THAT. AND I HOPE THAT WE DO SEE
SOME ADDITIONAL REFINEMENTS.
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY SINCE MIKE
BILL A B 23 30 AND, UH, SENATOR
AMBERG AT SENATORS, UMBERG. UH
BILL SB 13 38 WERE INTRODUCED
AND WELL, MY BILL IS PARKED. I
WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION
AND ADMIRATION FOR THE HARD AND
STRESSFUL WORK OF THE
ADMINISTRATION IN THE SENATE AND
THE ASSEMBLY CONSULTANTS WHO
HAVE LABORED MIGHTILY IN THEIR
EFFORTS TO GET THIS RIGHT.
NATURALLY I DO CONTINUE TO HAVE
QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. AND IN
ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF
THE CARE COURT. THIS LEGISLATION
, IN MY VIEW MUST PROVIDE THE
MEANS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE
STRUGGLING WITH MENTAL ILLNESS
AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS.
RECEIVED THE TREATMENT,
RESOURCES, SUPPORT AND HOUSING
THAT THEY NEED AND DESERVE. I
FEEL LIKE THE PLAN BEFORE US
GETS US CLOSER TO THAT GOAL, BUT
STILL NEEDS IMPROVEMENT. THE
CARE COURT PROGRAM NEEDS TO BE A
SUPPORTIVE SYSTEM BASED
PRIMARILY AND COMPASSIONATE CARE
AND NOT A PUNITIVE ONE FOR AN
HOUSE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE
STRUGGLING TO RECOVER. AND HE'LL
THEREFORE, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
PARTICIPATING IN THE CARE PLAN
HAVE SUITABLE HOUSING OPTIONS
AND ACCESS TO SERVICES AND
SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER
TO ACHIEVE SOBRIETY AND HEALTH.
I'M PLEASED TO SEE THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION AND AUTHORS
CLARIFY THAT A PARTICIPANT
CANNOT FAIL OUT OF THE COURT
PROGRAM, IF A COMPONENT OF THE
PLAN LIKE HOUSING OR SERVICES IS
MISSING. HOWEVER UNFORTUNATELY,
THE PROPOSAL STILL DOESN'T GO
FAR ENOUGH TO ENSURE THEIR
AVAILABILITY. I'M CONCERNED WITH
THE FACT THAT THE PROGRAM HAS NO
DEDICATED FUNDING, INSTEAD
UTILIZING FUNDING FROM CURRENT
PROGRAMS LIKE MHS, A BRIDGE
HOUSING AND COUNTY SERVICES,
WHICH IN MY POINT OF VIEW ARE
ALREADY OVERLY SUBSCRIBED BY THE
HOMELESS POPULATION. LARGE. I'M
WORRIED THAT IN ORDER TO
STABILIZE THE CARE COURT
POPULATION WERE CAUSING A STRAIN
ON VITAL SUPPORT AND HOUSING
SERVICES THAT COUNTIES ALREADY
RELY ON. TO TAKE CARE OF THE
HOMELESS POPULATION. IN MY
CITIES. I HEAR OF SENIORS,
HOMELESS FAMILIES WHO ARE PRICED
OUT OF THEIR RENTALS AND FROM
SERVICE PROVIDERS. HOW THEIR
CLIENTS ARE CURRENTLY ON LARGE
WAITING LISTS WITH VOUCHERS IN
HAND. BUT THEY'RE WAITING FOR
HOUSING. AND NOW WE PLAN TO MAKE
THIS POPULATION AS WE SHOULD BE
A PRIORITY. BUT THEY WILL BUMP
PEOPLE UP EVEN FURTHER BUMP SOME
PEOPLE UP THE LIST AND SOME
PEOPLE DOWN THE LIST AND THIS
CREATES SOME DIFFICULT PROBLEMS
THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. IT'S
IMPERATIVE THAT WE SCALE UP OUR
HOUSING PRODUCTION, AS SO MANY
OF US HAVE ADVOCATED FOR IN THE
LEGISLATURE, BUT PARTICULARLY
SPECIALIZED HOUSING TO ADDRESS
UM, THESE POPULATIONS NEEDS. IN
HIS RECOGNIZED THAT CARE COURTS
MUST PASS CONSTITUTIONAL MUSTER
, THEREFORE TO ACHIEVE NECESSARY
DUE PROCESS, THE PROGRAM MUST BE
AS VOLUNTARY AS POSSIBLE. BEFORE
A PERSON HAS PLACED IN AN
INVOLUNTARY PLAN, AND I'M
PLEASED TO SEE THAT THE PLAN IS
MOVING CLOSER TO THIS, BUT I
THINK REQUIRES ADDITIONAL
CLARIFICATIONS. I ALSO BELIEVE
THAT THERE NEED TO BE MORE
EMPHASIS ON TRAINING WITH THE
PROPER FUNDING FOR JUDGES, COURT
EMPLOYEES, SUPPORTERS, MENTAL
HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND ANY
OTHER PERSON WHO MAY BE PART OF
THE CARE TEAM. GIVEN THAT WE ARE
ALREADY EXPERIENCING A SHRINKING
OF THIS WORKFORCE THERE NEEDS TO
BE ADDED EMPHASIS ON REVERSING
THAT TREND. FINALLY THE
ACCOUNTABILITY PROVISIONS. UM I
THINK I STILL NEED WORK. I THINK
WE AS LEGISLATORS, LETTERS AND
THE PUBLIC NEED TO KNOW. NEED TO
BE ABLE TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT
THE PROGRAM IS FULFILLING ITS
PURPOSE AND WHAT FURTHER
ADJUSTMENTS THAT MAY NEED. I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE
ACCOUNTABILITY SECTION HAVE MORE
DETAIL, INCLUDING, FOR EXAMPLE,
TRACKING PARTICIPANTS TO SEE
WHERE AND HOW THEY ARE DOING.
POST COMPLETION. THE NUMBER OF
PARTICIPANTS WHO ARE PUT ON
INVOLUNTARY HOLDS WHO CONTINUE
TO LANGUISH IN JAIL AND
STATISTICS O VARIOUS
POPULATIONS. IN CONCLUSION. I
WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT I BELIEVE
IN THE PROMISE OF SPECIAL
PURPOSE COURTS LIKE CARE COURT.
I CHAMPION THE HAIR, THE
HOMELESS COURT AND SANTA MONICA
. I REVIEWED SUCCESSFUL MODELS
IN LOS ANGELES ELSEWHERE IN
CALIFORNIA AND IN NEW YORK CITY
, BUT THESE COURTS ARE ONLY AS
STRONG. AS THE RESOURCES THAT
SUPPORT THEM. THE BOTTOM LINE IS
WE CANNOT AFFORD TO FAIL IN THIS
ENDEAVOR. THERE'S TOO MUCH AT
STAKE. IF WE FAIL TO PROPERLY
FUND PROVIDE ANCILLARY SERVICES
, HOSPITAL BEDS, SPECIALIZED
HOUSING AND SUSTAINABLE
WORKFORCE WITH THE PROPER
EXPERTISE. THEN WE ARE DESTINED
TO NOT SUCCEED. THANK YOU AGAIN
TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE
AUTHORS FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON
THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO BE
REQUESTED THAT I BE ADDED AS A
CO AUTHOR OF THIS IMPORTANT
LEGISLATION THAT DEALS WITH ONE
OF OUR MOST PRESSING ISSUES. AND
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MOVE THE
BILL. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE
EMOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? AND
A SECOND. ALRIGHT I HAVE CORA
AND RAISED THAN DAVIES THAN
HANEY. MR. CHOLERA THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR MEMBERS, AND I APPRECIATE
THE COMMENTS FROM OUR COLLEAGUE
, SANTA MONICA, WHO I KNOW HAS
WORKED ON THESE ISSUES FOR MANY,
MANY YEARS. UM AND YOU KNOW,
OBVIOUSLY HOME AT THE
HOMELESSNESS CRISIS HAS
PROLIFERATED THROUGHOUT OUR
STATE IMPACTING OUR MOST
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES, FRANKLY,
IMPACTING EVERY COMMUNITY AND
COMBINED WITH THE CLASS OF
LIVING, UM CONTINUED TO INCREASE
, LIKE A HOUSING SUPPLY AND
PERPETUAL UNDERFUNDING OF VITAL
SOCIAL SERVICES AND MENTAL
ILLNESS. TREATMENT. SOLVING.
THIS ISSUE IS NO EASY TASK AS
THE EXCELLENT STAFF ANALYSIS
POINTS OUT THE NUMBER ONE REASON
FOR HOMELESSNESS IS OUR COST OF
HOUSING. THAT THERE'S NO TWO
WAYS ABOUT IT. WE ALL KNOW THAT
WE'VE ALL BEEN WORKING ON THAT
IN DIFFERENT WAYS. UM AND I
WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE AUTHOR
, UM, SENATOR AMBURG, AS WELL AS
SENATOR EGGMAN AND THE GOVERNOR
FOR THEIR CONTINUED TO WORK. IN
ADDRESSING THIS COMPLEX,
CRITICAL ISSUE IT I DO BELIEVE
THE INTENTIONS ARE REAL HEARTS
AND MINDS ARE IN THE RIGHT
PLACE. UM I, HOWEVER, CARE COURT
DOES RAISE QUESTIONS FOR ME AS
TO WHETHER IT IS AN EFFECTIVE,
EFFECTIVE OR SUSTAINABLE
SOLUTION BEFORE FOR A FEW
DIFFERENT REASONS. AND YOU KNOW,
AS SENATOR BLOOM INDICATING NO,
IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT THOSE YOU
KNOW, BILL IS PERFECT. AND SO
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHETHER IT
CAN BE IMPROVED UPON BECAUSE
MOST LEGISLATION CAN. THE
QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE CURRENT
CONDITION OF THE CRISIS THAT
WE'RE FACING? AND WHAT ARE THE
BEST SOLUTIONS TO RESOLVING IT?
AND WHERE IS THE WHERE ARE THE
RESOURCES BEST SPENT? AND I
THINK IT IS TELLING OVER THE
LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, YOU KNOW,
HEARING FROM ADVOCATES THE
SERVICE PROVIDERS, THOSE ARE
PROVIDING THE SERVICES THAT ARE
RAISING THE MOST CONCERNS ABOUT
THIS APPROACH. NOW. UM WE HEARD
SOME OF THE ISSUES REGARDING
RESOURCES OF PROGRAMS THAT, UM,
HAVE ISSUES BUT IN SOME CASES
ARE WORKING. I JUST WENT TO A
PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR
THE HOMELESS, INVITING THE
DOWNTOWN OF MY DISTRICT. IN SAN
JOSE. I SPOKE TO SEVERAL FOLKS
THERE, MANY OF WHOM USED TO BE
HOMELESS, MANY OF WHOM HAD
SEVERE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
NONE OF THEM HAVE TO GO TO COURT
IN ORDER TO GET THE HELP BUT GOT
THEM TO HELP IS THAT SOCIAL
WORKERS WENT OUT TO THEM. DAY
AFTER DAY WEEK AFTER WEEK, AND
EVENTUALLY THEY BUILT THAT
TRUST. EVENTUALLY THEY BUILT THE
TRUST WHY THEY WERE LIVING IN A
TENT. AND THEN, WHEN HOUSING
BECAME AVAILABLE, THEY QUICKLY
MOVED HIM IN THERE AND STABILIZE
THEM AND GOT THEM TO SUPPORT IN
THE SHELTER THAT THEY ALL
DESERVE. UM I DO WANT TO ASK
SOME QUESTIONS. WHETHER DR
GALLEY OR SENATOR, OF COURSE YOU
OR ANYONE ELSE CAN FEEL FREE TO
ANSWER ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE
APPOINTMENT OF COUNSEL. UM WE
ALREADY KNOW. YOU KNOW, HAVING
BEEN A PUBLIC DEFENDER. I
UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS
RESOURCE ISSUES. UM, AND YOU
KNOW JUST A QUESTION REGARDING
ENSURING THAT THERE'S ENOUGH
RESOURCES BECAUSE IT'S A BIG
DIFFERENCE. I REPRESENTED
CLIENTS. THAT I FACED
CONSERVATORSHIP OR OTHER TYPES
OF, UM, OF MANDATES FROM THE
COURT. IT'S A MUCH LARGER
OBLIGATION IN TERMS OF RESOURCES
AND TIME AND ENERGY THAT ARE PUT
INTO THOSE CASES. AND SO NOT
JUST ENSURING THE PUBLIC
DEFENDERS HAVE RESOURCES, BUT
COUNTIES THAT DON'T HAVE OTHER
DEFENDERS OR COUNTIES OR PUBLIC
DEFENDERS HAVE A MANDATE TO ONLY
TAKE CRIMINAL CASES. UM IS THAT
HAS THAT BEEN CONTEMPLATED
BECAUSE DIFFERENT COUNTIES ARE
DIFFERENTLY SITUATED? LET ME LET
ME FIRST TRY TO TAKE THE
QUESTION. AND THEN DR GALLEY
WILL CORRECT ME SO UM YOUR
POINT'S WELL TAKEN
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CHOLERA THAT
RESOURCES ARE CHALLENGED. THE
CHALLENGES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED
OR ALL REAL CHALLENGES THAT WE
ARE TRYING TO MEET, BOTH WITH
THREE SOURCES AND ALSO WITH
INNOVATION. SO UH, IN TERMS OF
THE PUBLIC YOU ARE CORRECT THAT
ORIGINALLY, UM THE CONCEPT WAS
TO HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT
ENTITIES ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS
, A JUDGE A PUBLIC DEFENDER AND
SUPPORTER. UM WE'VE NOW DECIDED
THAT RATHER THAN PUBLIC DEFENDER
THAT'S IN THE CRIMINAL CONTEXT,
AND THIS IS NOT IN THE CRIMINAL
CONTEXT THAT WE WILL BE
DIFFERENT COUNCIL WHO WILL
PROVIDE UM, THAT ASSISTANCE AND
SUPPORT, UM FROM LEGAL AID, MOST
LIKELY, UM, EITHER DIRECTLY FROM
THE COUNTY OR THROUGH OTHER
LEGAL AID RESOURCES. YES WE DO
NEED TO FUND THAT. THAT'S
EXACTLY CORRECT. BUT UM, THAT
SINCE THIS PROCESS IS ONE THAT'S
SUPPORTIVE, AND SINCE THIS
PROCESS ALSO DOES NOT JUST TO BE
CLEAR. IF SOMEONE IS
PARTICIPATING IN A DIFFERENT
PROGRAM AND BEING SUCCESSFUL,
THEY HAVE HOUSING WERE NOT
FORCED TO COME INTO CARE COURT.
NO ONE IS FORCED TO COME INTO
CARE COURT. IN FACT, NO ONE IS
FORCED TO REMAIN IN CARE COURT.
UM AS I MENTIONED AT THE OUTSET,
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT
THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION
ABOUT THAT. SO DR GALLEY CARE TO
SUPPLEMENT NO, I THINK JUST TO
PUNCTUATE THE POINT THAT
REPRESENTATION AND COUNCIL
EITHER YOU KNOW THE ORIGINAL
CONCEPT TO PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND
NOW EXPLORING OTHER ROUTES, I
THINK IS A HIGH PRIORITY,
SOMETHING THAT SHOULD AND
COMMITTED TO BEING FUNDED SO
THAT ALL PARTICIPANTS IN CARE
COURT HAVE THAT ESSENTIAL
COUNCIL. NOW IT DOES. INDICATE
BECAUSE I READ THAT THE TEXT OF
THE LEGISLATION, UM AND. MHM IT
DOES INDICATE THAT IF THAT THE
RESPONDENT. THAT IS OR THAT, UM
THE INDICATION THAT IT'S NOT.
REQUIRED THAT THEY PARTICIPATE,
HOWEVER. IF THERE. BY READING OF
IT IS THAT ONCE THEY ARE BROUGHT
BEFORE, AND IF IT'S TEAM THAT
THEY HAVE A SEVERE MENTAL
ILLNESS, THAT THEY CAN BE
REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN CARE
COURT. IS THAT CORRECT? THEY CAN
UM, THEY CAN'T BE REQUIRED AS
SUCH, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT
THEY CAN, UM I SUPPOSE IF THEY
DECIDE NOT TO COOPERATE, THEN
THERE THE RESULT IS THAT THEY'RE
IN PLACED IN CONSERVATORSHIP. SO
UM. YOU ARE REQUIRED TO
PARTICIPATE IN CARE COURT IF YOU
WISH TO RECEIVE THE KINDS OF
RESOURCES THAT CARE COURT WILL
PROVIDE. YOU CHOOSE OTHERWISE,
AND YOU CHOOSE NOT TO
PARTICIPATE NOT TO COOPERATE,
THEN THE ALTERNATIVE TYPICALLY
HAS CONSERVATORSHIP. AND THIS
BRINGS CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY'RE
PRETTY BROAD SPECTRUM OF FOLKS
THAT CAN REFER SOMEONE TO CARE
COURT. AND SO THEY OUGHT NOT TO
DO IT AND THEY'RE ALREADY HAVE
SEVERE BY DEFINITION THEY HAVE
SCHIZOPHRENIA HAS SOME OTHER
SEVERE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
SPANISH, SETTING THEM UP. FOR A
CONSERVATORSHIP. IF THEY CHOOSE
NOT TO, AND IN FACT THEY DON'T
HAVE TO BE AT THE HEARING. THEY
HAVE SEVERE MENTAL ISSUES, AND
THEY WAVE IT WHILE THEY ALREADY
HAVE SEVERE MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES, SO WE'RE ALREADY SEEING
SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE
MENTAL CAPACITY NECESSARY TO
MAKE DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES
NOW HAVE TO. WE'RE GOING TO
ABIDE BY THEIR DECISION TO WAIVE
THEIR APPEARANCE, WHICH IS A
VERY SERIOUS DECISION TO MAKE,
UM I'M APPROACHING AND THESE
INITIAL QUESTIONS ARE REALLY
KIND OF SPEAKING OF KIND OF THE
COURSE OF NATION OF THIS BECAUSE
THE REALITY IS THAT YOU KNOW,
THE AS A PUBLIC DEFENDER OR AS
COUNSEL, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NOT
GOING TO BE A PUBLIC DEFENDER.
IS THEIR APPROACH GOING TO BE
AVOIDING THE DETENTION OR THE OR
THE NOT ATTENTION FOR, I GUESS,
IN SOME CASES, ATTENTION, BUT
THE REQUIREMENT OF PARTICIPATING
AND IF THEY DON'T NOW YOU'RE
FACING CONSERVATIVE SHIP WHICH
IS A VERY SERIOUS STEP TO TAKE.
SO IF SOMEONE IS BROUGHT BEFORE
THE COURT IN CARRICK WORK AND
HOUSING IS NOT AVAILABLE. WHAT
HAPPENS TO THEM? TO MAKE SURE
LET ME ALSO JUST ADDRESS A FEW
THINGS. SEVERE SERIOUS MENTAL
ILLNESS IS A BROAD RANGE OF
CONDITIONS. THE CARE COURT
FOCUSES ON A NARROWER SET RIGHT
SO SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS,
SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS. IS ONE
OF THE CRITERIA BUT WE ARE
LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC SET OF
DIAGNOSIS, SO I DON'T I WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE
THE 7 TO 12,000 ESTIMATE REALLY
COMES FROM THE SET OF
DEFINITIONS. SO SEVERE MENTAL
ILLNESS CRITERIA ENTRY CODE, BUT
NOT NOT EVERYONE WITH S M I
WOULD BE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. UM
SECONDLY, THE NOTION THAT IF
SOMEBODY A RESPONDENT IS NOT, UH
EITHER PARTICIPATING, COOPERATE
WHATEVER WHATEVER MIGHT BE IT
ISN'T THAT IT NECESSARILY
ABSOLUTELY LEADS TO
CONSERVATORSHIP. IT IS JUST THAT
THE OTHER TOOLS AVAILABLE WITHIN
THE CURRENT SPECTRUM OF
SERVICES, SO CONSERVATORSHIP WE
KNOW MANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS
BECOME EITHER MISDEMEANOR OR
FELONY INCOMPETENT TO STAND
TRIAL. ENTER THE CRIMINAL
SYSTEM, AS YOU WELL KNOW, AS A
UH, FORMER PUBLIC DEFENDER THAT
WE SEE PLENTY OF INDIVIDUALS
WITH THESE DIAGNOSES WHO
LANGUISH AND LINGER SO LONG THAT
THESE ARE THE ONLY SYSTEM EITHER
. THAT 51 50 CONSERVATIVE SHIP
PATHWAY OR WE SEE ON THE
CRIMINAL SIDE. NEITHER
MISDEMEANOR OR FELONY IST ES IF
THEY'RE FORTUNATE IN SOME WAYS
TO GET SERVICES THROUGH THOSE
BRANCHES, UH, THEY END UP HAVING
THAT HAPPENED MUCH LATER. SO I
THINK THOSE ARE 22 REALLY
IMPORTANT PIECES OF SORT OF
AUGMENTATIONS TO SENATOR
HAMBURG'S RESPOND, BUT THE END
RESULT COULD VERY WELL BE THE
SAME WHERE THEY'RE COMING
THROUGH THE CRIMINAL SYSTEM OF
THE CIVIL SYSTEM. THE END
RESULT. YOU CAN END UP
CONSERVATIVE SHIP BECAUSE IF
THEY GO THROUGH THE CARE COURT,
AND THEY'RE UNSUCCESSFUL IN IT
NOW, YOU HAVE FURTHER. DATA AND
EVIDENCE TO SAY THAT THEY SHOULD
BE IN A CONSERVATIVE SHIP
BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST OFFERED
EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN, AND
THEY DIDN'T ACCEPT IT OR DIDN'T
OR DIDN'T SUCCEED. SO NOW THE
NEXT STEP COULD VERY WELL
LOGICALLY BE CONSERVATIVE SHIP
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE
EXPECTATION IS THAT MANY
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE RESPONDENTS
AND CARE CORD END UP HAVING.
CHANGE BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE
SET OF SERVICES THAT WILL BE
PRIORITIZED AND ACCOUNTABLE TO
BE PROVIDED TO THAT INDIVIDUAL
THAT THE EXPECTATION IS THAT
MANY FOLKS WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN
ON THAT PATH ANYHOW, JUST MUCH
LATER WILL NOT BE ON THAT PATH.
AND IN FACT, UH, HAVE STABLE
COMMUNITY BASED HOUSING AND
SERVICES THAT ALLOW MATERIAL
CHANGE TO NOT JUST THE
COMMUNITY'S OUTLOOK, BUT THEIR
OWN PERSONAL OUTLET WHERE'S THE
HOUSING GONNA COME FROM? SELF
EXISTENT? SO YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY
WE HOUSE INDIVIDUALS ACROSS
CALIFORNIA. UM, WE DO IT ALL THE
TIME. WE THIS ADMINISTRATION,
WITH THE LEGISLATIVE SUPPORT HAS
PUT IN $12 BILLION, ANOTHER TWO
BILLION PROPOSED $1.5 BILLION
COMMITTED TO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
BRIDGE HOUSING. SO THE QUESTION
OF, UH, FOR 7 TO 12,000
INDIVIDUALS. THAT IF
CALIFORNIA'S COMMUNITIES PUT
THEIR MIND TO ENSURING THAT
THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE HOUSED IN
A PRIORITIZED WAY. THERE'S A
BELIEF RIGHT AND WE SEE IT EVERY
SINGLE DAY. THAT INDIVIDUALS
WITH SERIOUS BEHAVIOR, HEALTH
CONDITIONS. WE KNOW OUR
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, UH, PARTNERS
AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WORKING WITH
THEIR COUNTY FAMILY, THEIR CITY
PARTNERS, OTHER PARTNERS. DO
ACHIEVE STABLE HOUSING IN
COMMUNITY BASED SETTINGS FOR
PEOPLE WITH SERIOUS BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH CONDITIONS. SO THE
QUESTION ISN'T IS IT POSSIBLE?
WE AGREE? THAT THERE ARE LIMITS
ON ALL OF THESE RESOURCES, AND
THAT'S WHY, UH, CERTAINLY MY
TESTIMONY LEADS WITH A FOCUS ON
PRIORITIZATION. SO THERE'S A
BELIEF THAT THAT THAT CAN
HAPPEN, AND THERE'S EVIDENCE
EVERY SINGLE DAY. IN OUR
COUNTY'S BIG AND SMALL WHERE
INDIVIDUALS WHO MEET THE CARE
COURT CRITERIA DO HAPPEN O
BECAUSE OF SOME, UH, CONSIDER IT
FOCUS. BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER
CHARGE LOCALLY TO BE STABLE,
HOUSED IN COMMUNITY NON LOCKED
SETTINGS WHERE THEY ARE TREATED
EFFECTIVELY. AND I DO COMMEND
THE GOVERNOR WITH THE
PARTNERSHIP LEGISLATURE BECAUSE
I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THAT ON THE
GROUND, INCLUDING IN SANTA CLARA
COUNTY, WHICH IS GREAT IN TERMS
OF THE HOUSING BEING KIND OF
RAPIDLY PUT IN PLACE, BUT IF
SOMEONE IS IN THE CARE COURT,
AND THEY DON'T HAVE HOUSING
AVAILABLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT
NECESSARILY GUARANTEED, THEY GET
IT. WHAT IS THEIR LIVING
CONDITION EXPECTED TO BE WHILE
THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE CARE
COURT? I THINK IT'S REALLY
ENSURING THAT ALL. AH THE STOPS
ARE PULLED OUT THAT WE
EFFECTIVELY WORK TO GET THAT
INDIVIDUAL INTO THE STABLE
HOUSING SO BUT BUT BUT WHAT IF
THEY DON'T? ARE THEY ANY POINT
WOULD THEY BE INCARCERATED? NO
INCARCERATION. NO THE FOCUS IS
NOT ON INVOLUNTARY
HOSPITALIZATION THAT'S ALL ON
COMMUNITY PLACE SETTINGS AND
WORK AND PROGRESS TOWARDS
ENSURING THAT THE HOUSING IS, UH
, NOT JUST SUFFICIENT, BUT THAT
IS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S
INVOLVED, THE RESPONDENT HAS A
SAY, UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE'S
OPTIONS WORKS TO CREATE AND MOVE
INTO A UNIT THAT MAKES MOST
SENSE FOR THEIR LIFE, THEIR
COMMUNITY, ETCETERA. LET ME JUST
AUGMENT DOCTOR GALLEYS RESPONSE
ON TWO ISSUES FIRST IN TERMS OF
CONSERVATORSHIP. UM RIGHT NOW.
CONSERVATORSHIP IS IN EARLY. UM
INTERVENTION IF YOU WILL. WHAT
WE WANT TO DO IS WE MAKE WE WILL
MAKE IT THE LAST ALTERNATIVE,
NOT THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE IN
CARE COURTS PROVIDE A SUPPORT
SYSTEM TO MAKE THAT THE LAST
ALTERNATIVE IN TERMS OF HOUSING.
UM ONE OF THE CHALLENGES AS BOTH
OF YOU HAVE INDICATED, ALL OF
INDICATED OR CHALLENGED
RESOURCES. BUT THE COURT HAS A
JUDGE WHO CAN USE A TOOL, WHICH
IS TO THE EXTENT THAT HOUSING IS
AVAILABLE TO ORDER THAT HOUSING.
UNLIKE THE CURRENT SITUATION,
WHERE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE
SOMEONE WHO IS ONE IN CHARGE AND
TWO ACCOUNTABLE AND SO THAT THAT
PROVIDES ANOTHER, UM, LEVEL OF
SUPPORT. WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT
HAVING HOUSING IS A CRITICAL
COMPONENT TO STABILIZATION AND
THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE.
CHALLENGE HERE, AND IT'S PART OF
THE INITIATIVE ISN'T ISN'T THIS
KIND OF CONTRARY TO THE HOUSING
FIRST MODEL BECAUSE IT'S HAVING
THE TREATMENT BECAUSE IF
SOMEONE'S LIVING ON THE STREETS
LIVING IN A TENT, THE LIKELIHOOD
THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SUCCEED IN
THE PROGRAM LIKE HARCOURT, EVEN
GIVEN THE SUPPORTS IS PROBABLY
ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE A SEVERE
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, EVEN EVEN
AS NARROWLY DEFINED THEY'RE
ALMOST GUARANTEED. IN MY
EXPERIENCE, I WAS 11 YEARS.
PUBLIC DEFENDER 5.5 YEARS IN
DRUG TREATMENT COURT HAD A LOT
OF CLIENTS OF MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES AND SUBSTANCE USE ISSUES.
IT'S ALMOST NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE
TO EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
BE ABLE TO SUCCESS WHICH MEANS
THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE NOT FEELING
OUT OF IT. WHAT IT MEANS IS NOW
THE COURT WILL SAY, WELL, NOW
YOU'RE IN FOR ANOTHER YEAR. BUT
THE CHALLENGES OF SOMEONE'S
LIVING UNDER A BRIDGE RIGHT IF
THEY'RE LIVING UNDER A BRIDGE,
AND THEN THEY ARE ENGAGED IN THE
CARE COURT PROCESS, AND THEY
CONTINUE TO LIVE UNDER THE
BRIDGE. THE CHANCES OF SUCCESS
ARE DIMINISHED DRAMATICALLY AND
SO THE PRIORITIZATION OF HOUSING
, WHICH EXISTS AND A PERSON WHO
HAS A TOOL TO ORDER. HOUSING IS
A CRITICAL ELEMENT. NOW. WHAT'S
THE ALTERNATIVE? WITHOUT CARE
COURT IS YOU JUST LEAVE THAT
PERSON LIVE UNDER THE BRIDGE?
THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE. SO UM,
WE HAVE CHALLENGES. THIS IS AN
EFFORT TO MEET THOSE CHALLENGES
WITH THE BOTH TOOLS AND
RESOURCES TO ADDRESS THE 12 7 TO
12,000. CALIFORNIANS AND THEIR
FAMILIES WHO ARE SEVERELY
AFFLICTED WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, I
WAS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THERE
COULD BE OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
LIKE I SAID, I HAVE, LITERALLY
I'VE MET. AND NUMEROUS
INDIVIDUALS THAT BECAUSE OF
SOCIAL WORKERS, BUT WE'RE ABLE
TO WORK WITH THEM. I'VE MET
PEOPLE JUST AS RECENTLY AS LAST
WEEK THAT ARE LIVING IN TENTS
THAT ARE ON LIST TO GET HOUSING
THAT ARE WORKING WITH SOCIAL
WORKERS THAT ARE JUST WAITING.
FOR HOUSING TO OPEN UP SOME OF
THEM, SOME OF WHOM HAD MENTAL
HEALTH ISSUES, SOME OF WHOM ARE
YOU KNOW WE'RE GETTING CONNECTED
WITH PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION, IF
NECESSARY THROUGH THEIR SOCIAL
WORKERS. UM IS IT ENOUGH? NO, I
DO. WE NEED MORE OF THOSE
RESOURCES. ABSOLUTELY UM, BUT
BUT OR, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE
RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT PROGRAMS.
ABSOLUTELY I WOULD HAVE CLIENTS
WOULD BE RELEASED STRAIGHT TO
RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT PROGRAMS
VOLUNTARILY. CERTAINLY ONCE THEY
WERE STABILIZED, WOULD HAVE A 72
HOUR HOLD. THEY GET STABILIZED,
AND THEN THEY VOLUNTARILY GO
INTO RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT.
WHICH IS A VERY DIFFERENT SET UP
THAN WHAT KERRY COURT WOULD
WOULD, UM WOULD PUT FORWARD I
WANT TO THE LAST COUPLE OF
THINGS. YOU KNOW, I HAVE ALREADY
BEEN SPEAKING FOR A WHILE, BUT
LAST COUPLE OF THINGS HAS TO DO
WITH WHAT THE DATA SHOWS IN
TERMS, AND I'VE SEEN THIS
FIRSTHAND, BUT THE DATA SHOWS IT
IN TERMS OF THE IF YOU LOOK AT
THE HOMELESS POPULATION,
PREDOMINANTLY LATINO AND AFRICAN
AMERICAN UM AND I WANT TO TALK
ABOUT TRAUMA BECAUSE A BIG
REASON WHY SO MANY ARE THOSE IN
THE STREETS, ESPECIALLY BLACK
AND BROWN INDIVIDUALS. ART
HAVING MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL
HEALTH ISSUES ABUSE BECAUSE OF
TRAUMA THAT THEY'VE HAD IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM OR IN
THE COURT SYSTEM WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT. WHAT HAVE YOU THERE
MAY BE VERY WELL INTENTIONED LAW
ENFORCEMENT WILL GO OUT THERE
AND SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW YOU NEED
HELP. I WANT TO BRING YOU
FORWARD TO CARE COURT. THAT
DOESN'T CHANGE THE TRAUMA THAT
INDIVIDUALS FACE. AND IS THIS
THE BEST SETTING TO EXPECT
SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO
SUCCESSFULLY GET TREATMENT FOR
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND
EVENTUALLY BECOME SUCCESSFUL AND
GET HOUSING. I WOULD SUGGEST
THAT IT'S NOT I HOPE I'M PROVEN
WRONG. I DON'T WANT THIS OR ANY
PROGRAM PUT FORWARD WITH THE
GOOD INTENTIONS OF HELPING
PEOPLE TO BE ANYTHING BUT
SUCCESSFUL. BUT I THINK THAT WE
SHOULD NOT UNDERESTIMATE UM, THE
TRAUMA THAT IS INCURRED WHEN
SOMEONE IS BROUGHT BEFORE THE
COURT SYSTEM. I'VE SEEN IT. I'VE
DEALT WITH IT. I'VE HAD TO HOLD
A LOT OF HANDS. SOMETIMES
SUCCESSFULLY, SOMETIMES VERY
UNSUCCESSFULLY, UM UM. SO I
AGREE WITH YOU THAT, FOR EXAMPLE
, I'VE SPENT I DON'T KNOW. I'M
SORRY, MR HAMBURGER. THERE
WASN'T REALLY A QUESTION THERE.
I DO WANT TO KEEP THIS HEARING
MOVING ALONG. UM I JUST WOULD
YOU KNOW, I WOULD. CERTAINLY IF
THIS WAS THERE'S NOT A PILOT.
IT'S GOING PERFECTLY CREATING A
NEW SYSTEM. YOU KNOW IF THERE
WAS A ONE COUNTY THAT SAID, HEY,
I WANT A PILOT WITH THE STATE
AND LET'S TRY IT OUT. AND LET'S
GET ALL THE RESOURCES THEY NEED
TO HOUSE EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN
THE PROGRAM WITHOUT TAKING AWAY
FROM OTHER HOUSING PROGRAMS OR
OTHER SOCIAL SERVICES AND DIRECT
CARE PROGRAMS. I WOULD, I THINK,
BE MORE OPEN TO IT, BUT UM I AM
UNABLE TO OFFER SUPPORT TODAY.
BUT I WANTED TO BE SUCCESSFUL
AND NOT DOING IT BECAUSE I DON'T
WANT IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I JUST
THINK THAT THERE'S A GRAVE RISK.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE RESOURCES
AWAY FROM THOSE ON THE GROUND
DOING THE WORK NOW, UM UH, THAT
THAT CAN BE PROVEN EFFECTIVE IF
WE PUT MORE RESOURCES INTO THOSE
AREAS AND AGAIN, ALL OF US AS
WE'VE BEEN DOING CONTINUE TO
FOCUS ON BUILDING MORE HOUSING,
INCLUDING SUPPORTIVE
TRANSITIONAL, UM, TINY OMES,
WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET PEOPLE
INTO A SAFE SECURITY. SYSTEM AND
THE LAST LAST THING I'LL SAY IS,
I AM ALSO, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THIS
IS, UM THIS IS ABOUT YOU KNOW
ABOUT BUT THE DIGNITY OF THE
INDIVIDUAL. IT'S ALSO ABOUT
THEIR FREEDOM AND ESSENTIALLY
REQUIRING SOMEONE TO GO INTO A
PROGRAM. UM THAT SEVERELY
DISABLED OR HAS SEVERE SEVERE
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, WHICH
LEADS TO A PATH CONSERVATIVE
SHIP, I THINK IS ALSO A VERY
DANGEROUS PATH BECAUSE IT'S NOT
ABOUT WHAT OUR INTENTIONS ARE IS
ABOUT WHAT TOOLS WERE GIVING TO
THE LOCAL COURTS. AND HOW
THEY'RE GOING TO USE THEM, AND I
CAN'T SAY HAVING WORKED IN THE
COURT SYSTEM FOR OVER A DECADE
THAT I AM ALWAYS GONNA TRUST
EVERYONE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS
ON THE GROUND. THANK YOU, MISS
REYES. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
WHEN, WHEN THE IDEA OF THE CARE
QUARTERS FIRST. BROUGHT UP BY
THE GOVERNOR. I THOUGHT THIS IS
GREAT BECAUSE IF THE GOVERNOR IS
PROPOSING THIS ALL THE RESOURCES
WILL BE BROUGHT IN TO MAKE SURE
IT IS AN ABSOLUTE SUCCESS. MANY
OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING
TO DO THAT. WE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING. WHAT WE'VE DONE UP TO
NOW HAS BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL. BUT
TO HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION AND
IN THE LEGISLATURE JOINED
TOGETHER. I THOUGHT THIS IS
GOING TO BE THE BEST THING THAT
CAN POSSIBLY HAPPEN BECAUSE I
UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE BILL
. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT
WITH THOSE WHO ARE SUFFERING
WITH THE SERVICES THEY NEED. TO
MAKE THEM SUCCESSFUL, AND THAT'S
THE PREMISE OF THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. BUT. THE
PROPER FUNDING IS EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT. I HAVE THE LETTERS
THAT WERE SENT IN. UM IT WASN'T
AN OPPOSITION LETTER, BUT A
LETTER OF CONCERN. WAS FROM MY
COUNTY. THE COUNTY OF SAN
BERNARDINO, SENT A LETTER OF
CONCERN AND THE VERY AREAS THAT
THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE THE
AREAS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
SO FAR. THE FUNDING WE DON'T
HAVE PROPER FUNDING. ARE WE
SETTING UP A SYSTEM? TO FAIL
SANCTIONS ALSO FOR SAN
BERNARDINO COUNTY. UH THEY THEY
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROPER
FUNDING, WE DON'T HAVE THE
WORKFORCE TO IMPLEMENT IT. AND
THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE
SANCTIONED FOR NOT IMPLEMENTING
IT. THERE IS A PROBLEM THERE.
HOUSING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT
AT NAUSEAM. BUT IT'S SUCH AN
IMPORTANT PART OF THIS BECAUSE
IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT
OF HAVING SUCCESS. UM THE
ELIGIBILITY AND THE OTHER AREA
THAT SAN BERNARDINO TALKS ABOUT
IS THE FUNDING OF EXISTING
PROGRAMS. IF WE HAVE COMMUNITY
BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE
ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES AND
THEIR SUCCESSFUL WITH A FEW IF
THEY HAVE MORE FUNDING, THEY CAN
BE SUCCESSFUL WITH MANY AND I
THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
MANY OF US HAVE BEEN ADVOCATED
FOR IS AS WE LOOK TO HOW WE'RE
GOING TO HELL WHERE WE'RE GOING
TO SPEND THE MONEY, HOW WE'RE
GOING TO BUDGET IT. IF WE LOOK
AT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS NOT AT
THE TOP, NOT AT THE STATE.
SOMETIMES NOT EVEN AT THE
COUNTY. BUT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL
WE HAVE SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS
HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL IN
HELPING THOSE WHO NEED THE
SERVICES WHO NEED THE TREATMENT
WHO NEED THE HOUSING. AND THEY
WORK WITH THE INDIVIDUALS AND
THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH HEART. IT
ISN'T JUST THE MANDATE ITS THEY
THEIR PEOPLE WITH HEART, AND
THEY WORKED SO HARD WITH SO
LITTLE SO FINDING WAYS TO
PROVIDE THE FUNDING FOR THEM,
MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T TAKE
FUNDING AWAY FROM THEM TO BE TO
CREATE A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM IS OF
CONCERN FOR ME. THE IN ONE OF
THE LETTERS. ANOTHER LETTER OF
THIS ONE IS IN OPPOSITION SAN
BERNARDINO. FREE THEM ALL. THE
VERY FIRST BULLET POINT IS, AS
WAS NOTED. IT SAYS THAT IT WILL
PERPETUATE INSTITUTIONAL RACISM
THROUGH A SYSTEM OF COURSE
TREATMENT. AND WILL WORSEN
HEALTH DISPARITIES DIRECTLY
HARMING BLACK AND BROWN
COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THIS IS OF
CONCERN FOR ME. AS A LATINA.
THIS IS OF CONCERN TO ME AND I
HEAR THE TESTIMONY OF MY AFRICAN
AMERICAN SISTER. THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE
ADDRESSED, AND I KNOW THAT IS AS
IT MOVES FORWARD, KNOWING WHAT A
BIG ISSUE THIS IS. I AM CERTAIN
ASKING, BUT I'M ALSO CERTAIN
THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL
BE CONSIDERED MAKING SURE THAT
THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE IS
BROUGHT IN SO THAT WE ARE AT THE
TABLE AS A DISCUSSIONS ARE HAD
REGARDING THIS. IT DOESN'T END
TODAY GOES TO THE HEALTH
COMMITTEE. SO THERE ARE THINGS
THAT YOU WILL HEAR TODAY THAT
PERHAPS CAN BE ADDRESSED BY THE
TIME IT GOES TO HEALTH AND THEN
TO APPROPRIATIONS. I DON'T HAVE
ANY DOUBT THAT IN THE END THIS
IS GOING TO BE SIGNED BY THE
GOVERNOR. AND SO FOR ME, IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK
ABOUT THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE OF
CONCERN SO THAT AS IT MAKES ITS
WAY THROUGH THAT THOSE CONCERNS
ARE ARE ARE ADDRESSED. ANOTHER
ISSUE THAT MY COLLEAGUE FROM SAN
JOSE HAS TALKED ABOUT IS THE
SUPPORTER. I DO KNOW THAT
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
HAVING AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTS
YOU AND HAVING SOMEONE WHO KNOWS
YOU AND CARES FOR YOU.
REPRESENTING YOU. AND WHEN YOU
HAVE A SUPPORTER, THOUGH, THAT
SUPPORTER MAY NOT THEY WANT TO
BE THE ADVOCATE, BUT THEY DON'T
HAVE THE TRAINING TO BE THAT
ADVOCATE. AND SO THERE ARE SOME
. THERE'S SOME PART OF THIS THAT
WILL PROVIDE THE TRAINING. AND
THAT WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT. I
THINK THAT TAKES US BACK TO THE
COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT TO
BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ROLE AS A
SUPPORTER, UM, BECAUSE THEY
WON'T BE THE ADVOCATE KNOW WHAT
SERVICES ARE VERY AVAILABLE WHAT
RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE AND TRY
TO DIRECT THE PERSON TO THOSE
AND ADVOCATE FOR THEM, AS
OPPOSED TO JUST BEING THE
ATTORNEY THAT YOU KNOW, AS
ATTORNEYS WINDOW YOU JUST CHECK
THEM. DO THE CHECK, YOU KNOW?
OKAY. DID THIS CHECK? I DID THIS
CHECK. BUT AS AN ADVOCATE AS A
SUPPORTER, EVEN THE ROLE EVEN
THE WORDS SUPPORTER FOR ME,
MEANS A WHOLE LOT MORE. MY
COLLEAGUE FROM SANTA MONICA
TALKED ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY THAT
IS ME EVEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
THE FUNDING THAT WE PUT INTO TO
HOMELESSNESS WE'VE PUT IN A
WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. AND THE
QUESTION IS, WHERE IS THE
ACCOUNTABILITY? HERE YOU HAVE.
IT WILL BE CENTRALIZED. SO IN
THE END, THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY
. AND I HOPE THAT THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT IS EMBEDDED AT
EVERY LEVEL. BECAUSE IF IT ISN'T
THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE
SAME PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH MANY
OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS BROUGHT
UP IS THE FACT THAT IN IT PAGE
THREE OF THE ANALYSIS UM, IT'S
ABOUT COORDINATING WITH EXISTING
PROGRAMS FOR THOSE WITH MENTAL
ILLNESS. AND INSTEAD OF THAT
COORDINATION. WHAT THIS BILL
DOES, IS IT? EXCUSE ME, IT IS IT
SEEKS TO CREATE AND IMPLEMENT A
NEW PROGRAM FOR THOSE WITH
MENTAL ILLNESS WHO NEED
TREATMENT. WE HAVE SO MANY
PROGRAMS ALREADY FOR THOSE WHO
HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS AND THE
TREATMENT COORDINATION. I THINK
FINDING A WAY TO COORDINATE, I
THINK WOULD ASSIST US IN MAKING
THIS A GREATER SUCCESS BECAUSE
IN THE END WE WANTED TO BE
SUCCESSFUL. WE WANT IT TO BE
SUCCESSFUL. THERE IS A CRISIS,
AS WAS MENTIONED BY ONE OF MY
COLLEAGUES. THIS IS A HEALTH
CRISIS. IT'S A HUMANITARIAN
CRISIS. WE HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY. WE HAVE AN
OBLIGATION. TO DO SOMETHING MORE
THAN WHAT WE HAVE DONE. WE CAN'T
HAVE PEOPLE. LIVING UNDER THE
BRIDGE. AS YOU HAVE SAID,
SENATOR, WHAT WE HAVE TO FIND
WAYS TO GET THEM. OUT FROM UNDER
THE BRIDGE AND IN PROPER
HOUSING. BUT AS MY COLLEAGUE HAS
SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
HOUSING. WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
I SHARE WITH YOU MY THOUGHTS. UM
AND I WON'T ASK THE QUESTION
ABOUT HOUSING BECAUSE THAT'S
BEEN ASKED, AND I KNOW THAT
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE WORKING
HARD ON BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT'S
AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE
SUCCESS OF THIS. I WANT THIS TO
SUCCEED. I ABSOLUTELY WANTED TO
SUCCEED. I WANT THE ISSUES
ADDRESSED THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT
UP BY BY THOSE WHO OPPOSE IT.
BECAUSE THESE ARE REAL. THESE
ARE REAL CONCERNS AND, AS WAS
MENTIONED THEIR LIVED
EXPERIENCES AND IF WE IF WE
DISCOUNT THAT LIVED EXPERIENCES
WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP
WITH POLICY. WE LOSE OUT ON A
GREAT OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE TO
HAVE EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE AS%
WE'RE COMING UP WITH THE BEST
SOLUTION, BUT I KNOW THAT IF
WE'RE GOING TO PUT MONDAY INTO
INTO SOMETHING, THIS IS GOING TO
BE IT. AND I HOPE THAT WE DO DO
THE COORDINATION THAT IS
NECESSARY. AND I REALLY REFERS
BACK TO THE LETTER FROM SAN
BERNARDINO COUNTY BECAUSE THEY
THEY'VE NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S MY
COUNTY. I'M VERY PROUD OF THEM.
BUT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THE
VERY ISSUES THAT THAT THE
PROBLEMS OF CONCERNS WITH THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BILL. BUT
WITH THAT I WILL. SECOND MY
COLLEAGUE'S MOTION. IF IT HASN'T
ALREADY. I THINK I SECONDED. IT
ALREADY DID. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO I HAVE DAVIES
THEN HANEY, THEN CUNNINGHAM AND
MAIENSCHEIN IS DAVEY. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. THANK YOU, SENATOR.
LIKE MY COLLEAGUES. WE ALL WANT
SOMETHING TO SUCCEED, ESPECIALLY
A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, AND THERE'S
NO QUESTION THIS IS LONG OVERDUE
. I THINK THAT LISTENING TO THIS
THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND
I THINK THAT IT REALLY IS THAT
IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE
SUCCESSFUL AND IT'S NOT, IT'S
NOT A PERFECT BILL ISN'T
SUCCESSFUL BUILD THAT CAN
ACTUALLY HAPPEN. THAT WE HAVE TO
MAKE SURE IF WE DO SOMETHING
LIKE THIS, WE'VE GOT THE
STRUCTURE. FIRST WE HAVE THE
FINANCES. WE HAVE THE RESOURCES
. WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE
HAVE THE STEP IN THE TRAINING
BEFORE WE TRY TO ACTUALLY
IMPLEMENT THIS. UM AND ONE THING
THAT IS SITTING ON CITY COUNCIL
FOR EIGHT YEARS WHEN WE HAD
SOMETHING COME UP, SUCH AS A
PROGRAM. WHAT WE DID IS AS MY
COLLEAGUE HAS SPOKEN ABOUT HIS.
WE WENT WITH A PILOT PROGRAM.
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU CAN LEARN
, AND THAT'S HOW YOU CAN
ACTUALLY TWEAK WHAT NEEDS TO BE
TWEAKED, YOU KNOW, REALIZE THAT
THIS ISN'T WORKING, BUT THIS IS
WORK WITH THE NONPROFITS TO
BRING THAT IN THERE, SO FOR ME I
MEAN, WOULD I LIKE TO HAVE THIS
DONE TODAY? ABSOLUTELY BUT
SOMETIMES IT'S WORTH ACTUALLY
DOING A PILOT PROGRAM BECAUSE WE
CAN SEE YOU KNOW WHERE THE
STRENGTHS ARE AND WHERE THE
WEAKNESSES ARE. AND THAT WAY,
TOO, IS WELL, PERHAPS WE PICKED
, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID A COUNTY
THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN
DOING THIS, MAYBE ONE IN THE
CENTRAL ONE IN THE SOUTH AND ONE
IN THE NORTH. AND WE THEN WILL
HAVE THE FUNDING. SO WE'RE NOT
TAKING 58 COUNTIES AND GOING
WORDS OF FUNDING COMING, AND
THEN YOU TAKE THE CONCERN OF THE
COUNTY GOING. HOW ARE WE GOING
TO ACTUALLY, UM, FUND THIS
OURSELVES SO WE CAN TAKE THE
FUNDS SHOW HOW TO DO A
SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM. SO WHEN WE
COMPLETE THIS, WE CAN SAY WE'VE
GOT THIS. THIS IS HOW IT'S
WORKING. IT MAY NOT WORK EXACTLY
THE SAME WAY IN THE NORTH OR THE
SOUTH OF THE CENTRAL BUT THEY
CAN ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FINE
TUNE IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT
DOES. SO FOR ME, THAT'S WHERE I
THINK YOU'D HAVE A LOT MORE
CONCERNS TAKEN CARE OF, IF WE
CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THIS A PILOT
PROGRAM. AND AGAIN I WAS
ACCOUNTABILITY RESULTS. LET'S
YOU KNOW, LOOK AT YOU KNOW HOW'S
HOW'S THIS WORKING, WORKING TO
BE CHANGED? BUT FOR ME, I WOULD
LOVE TO SEE THIS COME FORWARD
AND BE A PILOT PROGRAM FOR THE
NEXT ONE ORTWO YEARS. THAT WAY
THE STATE CAN AFFORD TO FUND
THIS. IT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE
AND I THINK YOU'D HAVE A LOT OF
PEOPLE BEHIND IT BECAUSE IT'S
THE IDEA IS THERE WE JUST HAVE
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT
RIGHT. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T,
WE'RE GOING TO WATCH SO MUCH
MONEY. GO OUT THE DOOR AGAIN,
AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GOING
WELL. THAT DIDN'T WORK. THIS
DIDN'T WORK. IT'S RELATIVE.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WAITING FOR
HOUSING. WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE
PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND THEN
REPLACE IT WITH OTHERS BACK TO
THE STREET BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T
ABLE TO HAVE THAT HOUSING SO
LET'S LOOK AT IT, AND I JUST
THINK A PILOT PROGRAM WOULD BE
FANTASTIC BECAUSE WE COULD
ACTUALLY HAVE THE FUNDING. I
THINK WE COULD HAVE THE SUPPORT
ALL THE WAY AROUND. THANK YOU
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, PENNY
. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU,
SENATOR FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, AND
DR GHALI AND THE GOVERNOR FOR
TAKING THIS ON AND TO ALL THE
ADVOCATES AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE
WEIGHED IN, YOU KNOW, I HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH MANY
OF THE LETTERS. AND THERE'S
THERE ARE STRONG AND POWERFUL
TESTIMONY AS TO HOW WE CAN
IMPROVE ON THIS AND HOW WE CAN
BUILD IT OVER TIME. ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT THAT I WOULD WANT TO
UNDERSCORE IS JUST TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE ARE CENTERING AND
INCLUDING PEOPLE WITH DIRECT
EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE WHO HAVE
EXPERIENCED MENTAL ILLNESS,
THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND MAKING
SURE THEIR VOICES ARE PUT AT THE
HEART OF THIS YOU KNOW, I KNOW
THAT WE ALL AGREE THAT THE
CURRENT SYSTEM IS BROKEN AND
FAILING. YOU CAN WALK OUTSIDE OF
THIS BUILDING AND GO A FEW
BLOCKS. I WALK OUTSIDE OF MY
HOME WHERE I LIVE IN THE
TENDERLOIN. IN SAN FRANCISCO AND
SEE THOSE FAILURES EVERY SINGLE
DAY. THOSE ARE COLLECTIVE
FAILURES ARE FAILED
RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK PEOPLE WHO
DESERVE AND NEED HOUSING. AND
CARE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS
AS A PARADIGM SHIFT. WE NEED A
PARADIGM SHIFT. A PARADIGM SHIFT
IS OVERDUE. WHAT WE SEE ACROSS
OUR STATE IS WHEN YOU HAVE
PEOPLE WHO WE ARE FAILING TO
PROVIDE CARE AND HOUSING FOR TOO
OFTEN, THE ONLY PLACE THAT THEY
RECEIVE ANY ANYTHING AT ALL. OR
ANY ATTENTION FROM US IS JAILS
IN PRISONS, AND SO THE OPTIONS
OF SENDING PEOPLE INTO A
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT
OFTEN DOES MORE HARM THAN GOOD.
OR INTO A CONSERVATORSHIP, WHICH
ALSO IS OFTEN NOT THE MOST
APPROPRIATE OR EFFECTIVE OR
IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FOR PEOPLE.
IS A FAILED CHOICE AND SO ADDING
ANOTHER WAY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE
PEOPLE WITH CARE THAT PUTS
TREATMENT ON THE TABLE PUTS
HOUSING ON THE TABLE AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, PUTS OVERSIGHT AND
ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE TABLE. ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN
IN SAN FRANCISCO, AND THIS IS AN
ISSUE THAT I TOOK ON. I CAME
HERE FROM COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS, AND THE FIRST ISSUE
THAT I WORKED ON WAS REVAMPING
OUR MENTAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM
ARE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CARE
SYSTEM? IN A SYSTEM THAT NOW IS
CALLED MENTAL HEALTH SF AND WE
REPORT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS INTO THIS NEW APPROACH
AND WHAT WE KNOW AND THIS IS
TRUE NOT ONLY IN SAN FRANCISCO
IS THAT THERE ISN'T ENOUGH
HOUSING. THERE AREN'T ENOUGH
BEDS. THERE ARE ENOUGH STAFF AND
THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I
THINK THAT WE ALSO NEED TO
UNDERSCORE. WE BUILT OUT A
SYSTEM. BUT THEN WE HAD HUNDREDS
OF POSITIONS THAT WE NEEDED TO
FILL. TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT
CARE AND COULDN'T FILL THOSE
POSITIONS. BUT THE OTHER THING
THAT WAS THERE AND I THINK THAT
THIS IS WHERE THIS INTERVENTION
CAN MAKE. A HUGE DIFFERENCE IS
THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH
ACCOUNTABILITY AND THERE WASN'T
ENOUGH OVERSIGHT. AND WE SAW
AGAIN AND AGAIN, PEOPLE FALLING
THROUGH THE CRACKS IN OUR SYSTEM
BECAUSE NOBODY WAS INSURING THAT
THEY ACTUALLY GOT THE CARE OF
THE HOUSING THAT THEY NEEDED. WE
DID AN ANALYSIS OF OUR SYSTEM.
WE FOUND THAT WE HAD OVER 700
EMPTY, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING BEDS
THAT NEEDED TO BE FILLED AND
THERE WERE DELAYS AND THERE WAS
PROCESSING AND THERE WAS ALL
THESE DIFFERENT EXCUSES AS TO
WHY IT WASN'T HAPPENING. BUT AT
THE END OF THE DAY IT WAS
BECAUSE NOBODY WAS ACCOUNTABLE.
AND NOBODY COULD SAY PUT THIS
PERSON INTO HOUSING RIGHT NOW OR
THERE ARE GONNA BE CONSEQUENCES
. AND THAT'S NOT YOU KNOW,
SOMETHING THAT AS A AS A MEMBER
OF THE COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS, AND CERTAINLY MANY
OF THE COUNTIES RESPECTFULLY
AREN'T GOING TO LIKE THAT ASPECT
OF IT, BUT I CAME FROM A CITY
AND COUNTY I SAW HOW HOW
CHALLENGING THIS WAS. BUT I ALSO
SAW THAT WHEN THERE WASN'T THAT
LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT AND WASN'T
SOMEONE TO SAY. YOU HAVE TO HELP
THIS PERSON YOU HAVE TO GET THEM
INSIDE. TOO OFTEN. IT DID NOT
HAPPEN. SO WE CAN SAY THAT THERE
NEEDS TO BE MORE HOUSING THERE
DOES. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE
BEDS. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE
CARE. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE
SURE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY NEEDS
HELP THAT WE DON'T ENGAGE IN
BUREAUCRATIC SYSTEMATIC
INDIFFERENCE, UH AND FAILED THEM
AS A RESULT. SO SO I BELIEVE
THAT THIS MODEL CAN HELP THAT IT
CAN WORK. IT WILL TAKE A LOT OF
WORK TOGETHER TO BUILD IT OUT TO
PARTNER WITH IT AND TO BUILD THE
RESOURCES TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL
. I DO WANNA ASK JUST A COUPLE
QUICK QUESTIONS. ONE IS WE'VE
HEARD ABOUT AGAIN AND AGAIN FROM
THE COUNTIES AND NOW PUTTING MY
COUNTY BACK HAT BACK ON. IN A IN
A, YOU KNOW, AND I'M MORE
UNDERSTANDING WAY AH. THERE ARE
CHALLENGES AROUND RESOURCES, AND
I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT TO SAY.
YOU KNOW, FOR SOME COUNTIES,
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO DO THIS. FOR
OTHERS. THEY DON'T HAVE THE
ACCESS TO BEDS OR SUPPORT OR
STAFFING. UM IS THERE A IN
APPROACH WITHIN THIS THAT CAN
THAT CAN ALLOW FOR? AN
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT COUNTIES
ARE A DIFFERENT STAGES. IS THERE
IS THERE A PHASED IN
IMPLEMENTATION? IS IT HOW DO YOU
ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THE
UNEVENNESS THAT EXISTS OUT
THERE? AND I THINK IT'S LEADING
FOR PEOPLE TO FEEL THAT MAYBE A
PILOT PROGRAM IS BETTER. I DON'T
SUPPORT THAT. I THINK WE DO NEED
TO BUILD THIS STATEWIDE. BUT HOW
DOES THE IMPLEMENTATION WORK AND
PARTICULARLY UNDERSTANDING THAT
COUNTIES ARE IN DIFFERENT
PLACES? YOU MAY HAVE THE SHORT
ANSWER. THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MANIA ALL AT DR
GALLEY. SUPPLEMENT IF HE CHOOSES
TO. YEAH I THINK THERE'S
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO
RECOGNIZE THE VARIOUS STAGES
THAT DIFFERENT COUNTIES ARE IN
AND HOW THAT COMES INTO THE PLAN
AND THE BILL, ULTIMATELY AND
AGAIN. UM AS I THINK MANY OF US
WHO HAVE DONE THIS WORK ON THE
GROUND PARTICIPATED AT THE
COUNTY LEVEL, UNDERSTAND THAT
COUNTIES OFTEN GIVEN ALL OF THE
DEMANDS HAVE CHALLENGES WITH
RESOURCES AND AGAIN WITH THE
PRIORITIZATION AND FOCUS ON A
SPECIFIC GROUP CAN DELIVER ON ON
ON CERTAIN THINGS AND JUST TAKE
A MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALSO
THAT THERE ARE PROGRAMS JUST
LIKE THIS. UM THAT ARE ACTIVE IN
PARTS OF CALIFORNIA THAT ARE
DOING WORK GETTING INDIVIDUALS
WHO JUST THE WEEK BEFORE WE'RE
IN AN ORANGE JUMPSUIT. AND
HANDCUFFS FOR THEIR MENTAL
HEALTH SERVICES IN JAILS AND
PRISONS INTO COMMUNITY BASED
PLACEMENTS WITH THE RIGHT KIND
OF SUPPORT, SO THE IDEA THAT WE
CAN DO THIS IN CALIFORNIA I
THINK IS REAL. THERE IS EVIDENCE
ACROSS DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE
STATES AND I THINK WE NEED TO
ACKNOWLEDGE AND WORK AND SUPPORT
EACH OTHER. I THINK MANY OF YOU
SAID THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A
DEEP AMOUNT OF PARTNERSHIP AND I
THINK THERE'S A COMMITMENT. AND
ALL LEVELS TO MAKE SURE THAT
THAT PARTNERSHIP IS THERE TO
MAKE THIS SUCCESS. AND THE
OTHER. QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS
ABOUT WHO IS BEING SERVED BY
THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE TALKED
ABOUT THIS 7 TO 12,000. HOW HOW
ARE WE ENSURING THAT THAT'S
WHERE THE FOCUS IS? WITHIN THESE
COURTS. CERTAINLY THIS. THERE
ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
EXPERIENCING SEVERE MENTAL
ILLNESS WHO ARE NOT HOMELESS. UH
AND, UH, THEY COULD BE REFERRED
TO THESE COURTS AS WELL. SO UH
AND I WILL. I WILL SAY MENTAL
ILLNESS DOES NOT ONLY IMPACT
PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS MOSTLY IMPACTS.
THAT THE LARGEST NUMBER OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HOMELESS, SO
HOW ARE HOW IT WOULD ARE YOU
ENSURING THAT THESE COURTS ARE
FOCUSED ON PEOPLE WHO ARE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS? OR IS
THAT NOT THE GOAL AND THAT AND
SO THOSE 7 TO 12,000 I'D IMAGINE
OR MOSTLY EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS. HOW HOW ARE YOU
ENSURING THAT THAT'S WHERE THE
FOCUS IS? AND IS HE INTENTION TO
FOCUS ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS? YOU
WANT TO AGAIN? THE SHORT ANSWER
IS YES. AND THE WAY WE FOCUS
UPON THEM IS THROUGH THE
REFERRAL PROCESS. THAT REFERRAL
PROCESS COMES THROUGH A FAMILY
MEMBER. PRIMARILY A FAMILY
MEMBER CAN COME FROM SOMEBODY IN
LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN COME FROM
SOMEBODY IN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
SERVICES IN THE COUNTY. UM TO
THE EXTENT THAT SOMEONE HAS ALL
THE SUPPORT THEY NEED. UM,
OUTSIDE THE CARE COURTS THAT
THEN THEY PROBABLY DON'T GET
REFERRED INTO CARE COURT TO THE
EXTENT THAT THEY HAVE INSURANCE
, TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY HAVE A
FAMILY THAT THEY'RE LIVING WITH
SOMEONE THAT THAT ALL THOSE
THINGS THAT EXIST THAT CARE
COURTS WOULD PROVIDE ARE ALREADY
BEING PROVIDED. MY EXPECTATION
IS THEY WOULD NOT BE THEY WOULD
NOT BE REFERRED. BUT THE FOCUS
IS ON THOSE VERY BOTH HARD TO
REACH. AND, UM HARD TO REACH
INDIVIDUALS IN THOSE WHO ARE
CHRONICALLY ILL WITH SEVERE
MENTAL ILLNESS, SO GALLEY
ANYTHING MORE. NO I JUST I THINK
WE'RE WORKING ON ENSURING THAT
THOSE WHO ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, AS
AS, UH, MICHELLE BROUGHT UP IN
HER TESTIMONY, THOSE WITH
PRIVATE ISURANCE THOSE WITH
PRIVATE RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE
THAT THOSE RESOURCES ARE MADE
AVAILABLE TO FUND AND SUPPORT
SERVICES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR
INDIVIDUALS. I THINK IN LARGE
PART INDIVIDUALS. THAT ARE GOING
TO BE RESPONDENTS IN THIS
PROGRAM ARE AH, YOU KNOW,
CERTAINLY FACING HOUSING AND
SECURITY. IF NOT ON HOUSED. THEY
ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE
SEEN IN OUR COMMUNITIES. THIRD
OFTEN END UP IN THOSE OTHER
PATHWAYS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
WHETHER IT'S THE JUSTICE SYSTEM,
CRIMINAL SYSTEM OR THE
CONSERVATIVE SHIP. AND I, UH,
JUST A COUPLE LAST THINGS IN
CLOSING, YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE
AS YOU SAID, THERE ARE MODELS
THAT ARE WORKING THAT ARE
SIMILAR. WE HAVE COLLABORATIVE
COURT IN SAN FRANCISCO. I KNOW
OF MANY OTHER COUNTIES HAVE THEM
AS WELL THAT HAVE SOME
SIMILARITIES. THAT WE FIND TO BE
VERY EFFECTIVE. I DO THINK THAT
MOVING THIS THESE COURTS OUT OF
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE, CONTEXT
AND INTO THE CIVIL IS VERY
IMPORTANT AND PROVIDES THE TYPE
OF ALTERNATIVES. AH THAT WE NEED
, YOU KNOW, UM, AT THE SAME TIME
, THIS THIS QUESTION OF WHO WERE
SERVING IS ONE THAT'S GOING TO
HAVE A LOT OF NEEDED FURTHER
ANALYSIS AND PARTNERSHIP. AH YOU
KNOW, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO
ENGAGE A LOT WITH QUESTIONS
AROUND PRIVATE INSURANCE, AND
PEOPLE WHO ARE HOUSED AND WE
DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE A LOT AS
WELL BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE WHO
HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE. THAT
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY'RE
GETTING THE LEVEL OF CARE
SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED. SO HOW
ARE WE SUPPORTING THOSE
INDIVIDUALS AND WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN THEY COME INTO THE CARE
COURT? BUT AGAIN, WE ARE IN
DESPERATE NEED OF A PARADIGM
SHIFT AND OTHER OPTIONS AND
OTHER MODELS, AND THIS IS ONE
THAT I BELIEVE CAN PROVIDE. NOT
ONLY THAT THE MENU OF OPTIONS
AND CARE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE
FAILING RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO THE
LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT AND
ACCOUNTABILITY THAT I THINK IS
MISSING FROM THE SYSTEM AND I
BOTH AS OTHERS HAVE SAID, UM,
WELL SUPPORTED TODAY AND WILL
CONTINUE TO BE A PARTNER MOVING
FORWARD TO MAKE SURE AS WE ALL
DESIRE. THAT IT'S SUCCESSFUL IN
THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, MR CUNNINGHAM. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. SPEAKING AS A AS A CO
AUTHOR, SO I THINK YOU KNOW THAT
I'M GONNA END UP VOTING FOR
THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAYBE
OFFER A COUPLE COUNTERPOINTS AND
THEN SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF WHY I
THINK THIS THIS BILL SO
IMPORTANT TO GIVE, UH, SOCIETY
ANOTHER TOOL TO HELP ADDRESS
SOME OF THESE VERY ACUTE ISSUES.
ON THE PILOT PROGRAM ISSUE. I
I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF
STARTING WITH PILOT PROGRAMS. I
THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF
SENTENCE IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS. I
WILL TELL YOU HAVING AS A
CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY HAVING
PUT A NUMBER OF CLIENTS OVER THE
YEARS THROUGH THE VETERANS
TREATMENT COURT, WHICH IS A
COUNTY BY COUNTY THING IN
MONTEREY COUNTY, THEY UNLESS
THEY CHANGED IT RECENTLY THAT
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT THEY DO IN
SAN LUIS OBISPO COUNTY. SO YOU
GET THIS PATCHWORK PATCHWORK
SITUATION WHERE SOME PEOPLE CAN
GO INTO A VERY SUCCESSFUL COURT
SYSTEM. VETERANS TREATMENT COURT
HAS WORKED VERY, VERY WELL WHERE
IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED. AND
FUNDED PROPERLY AND OTHERS DON'T
AND I THINK WE HAVE AN ACUTE
PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE STATE. SO
I WOULD SAY IN THIS PARTICULAR
CIRCUMSTANCE. UM THIS IS
DIRECTION. WE NEED TO GO AND I
THINK WE NEED NEED TO GO BIG.
AND THAT INCLUDES FUNDING RIGHT
. SO MY COUNTY IS ONE OF THE
REGISTERED OPPOSITION. MY HOME
COUNTY. ONE OF THE TWO I
REPRESENT, UH, IS ONE OF THE
REGISTERED OPPOSITION AND THEIR
CONCERNS FUNDING AND THAT'S
THAT'S TOTALLY FAIR POINT. I
HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THIS IS
GOING TO BE FUNDED AT LEAST
INITIALLY THROUGH THE BUDGET AND
THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE
PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION ON
FREEING UP EXISTING MENTAL
HEALTH RESOURCES. UM I WOULD
SAY. IF IT'S WORKING WELL AS WE
IMPLEMENT AND WORK OUT THE KINKS
. I THINK THE MONEY WILL FLOW
BECAUSE YOU'RE HEARING FROM
EVERYBODY PEOPLE WANT THIS
OPTION. THEY WANT THIS SYSTEM. I
MEAN, IS OUR STATUS QUO WORKING.
GOD, THAT'S A TOUGH ARGUMENT TO
MAKE. YOU GO TO ANY ONE OF THE
PARKS AROUND HERE. GO TO THE
SALINAS RIVERBED AND PASA
ROBLES. YOU GO TO ANY, UM,
BRIDGE OR HIGHWAY OVERPASS AND
YOU SEE PEOPLE LIVING IN TENTS.
AND. UNSAFE AND SQUALID
CONDITIONS, FRANKLY, UH, I THINK
IT'S AND WE'VE THROWN BILLIONS
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL BUDGET
CYCLES. AT HOMELESSNESS. AND THE
PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE GETTING
WORSE. NOT BETTER, SO TO ME.
WE'RE LACKING. THERE'S A GAPIN
THE SYSTEM NOW. RIGHT? SO RIGHT
NOW YOU IF YOU GET COMMITTED ON
A 51 50 HOLD PSYCHIATRIC HOLD.
MAXIM 72 HOURS OFTENTIMES, WHEN
YOU'RE RELEASED YOU GO BACK
WITHOUT A PLAN. YOU GO BACK TO
YOUR PARENTS' HOUSE. GO BACK TO
US ABOUT YOUR YOUR SPOUSE'S
HOUSE. UM IT IS THERE OFTEN
ISN'T EVEN A AN APPOINTMENT WITH
THE PSYCHIATRIST THAT YOU CAN
GET. OKAY, SO I THINK THE 51 50
SYSTEMS IMPORTANT, BUT THERE'S
NO BACK END CARE FOR THOSE
PEOPLE IN MANY CIRCUMSTANCES, SO
IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT THEY
END UP IN A BAD SITUATION. THE
OTHER WAY WE TRY TO ADDRESS THIS
IS IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO MENTAL HEALTH
DIVERSION BUILD A LOT OF US
WORKED ON A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY TWO COUNTIES
I HAVE STATS FOR SAN DIEGO
COUNTY IN MY HOME COUNTY
STANDARDS. ROUGHLY A QUARTER OF
THE PEOPLE THAT APPLY FOR MENTAL
HEALTH DIVERSION ONCE THEY'RE IN
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ARE
ADMITTED INTO IT, AND ONLY ABOUT
HALF COMPLETED SUCCESSFULLY. IN
SAN LUIS OBISPO COUNTY. IT'S 21%
AH, GET ADMITTED INTO IT. AND
ABOUT HALF COMPLETED
SUCCESSFULLY, AND IT IS HAVING
PUT PEOPLE THROUGH MENTAL HEALTH
DIVERSION AND GOTTEN THAT FOR
CLIENTS. IT'S EXPENSIVE. IT'S
TOUGH TO GET AND BY THE WAY TO
EVEN BE ELIGIBLE FOR IT. YOU
HAVE TO COMMIT A CRIME. SO RIGHT
NOW WE'VE GOT PEOPLE ON THE
STREETS WHERE THERE'S NO
INTERVENTION PROGRAM REALLY FOR
THEM. UNLESS THEY GET 51 50 ON A
PSYCH HOLD, THEN THEY'RE%
BASICALLY RELEASED BACK TO THE
STATUS QUO SITUATION THEY WERE
IN WHICH CLEARLY WASN'T WORKING
WELL, BECAUSE THEY GOT PUT MY
PUT INTO A CYCLE. OR THEIR
ISLAND STREETS UNTIL THEY COMMIT
BATTERY COMMIT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
AND OFFICER RESPONDS BECAUSE
THEY'RE LAYING IN THE STREETS
OFF THE MEDICATION FOR
SCHIZOPHRENIA, AND THEY FIGHT
THE OFFICERS. I'VE SEEN ALL
THESE THINGS IN MY LAW PRACTICE.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A GREAT
SITUATION FOR A LOT OF THESE
PEOPLE. IT'S NOT A GREAT
SITUATION FOR SOCIETY. AH! I
THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT YOU
HAVE THIS LIMITED AND IF I CAN
JUST SHARE SOME PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE OF REPRESENTING
PEOPLE WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA WHEN
THEY'RE OFF THEIR MEDICATION.
THEY DON'T THINK THEY NEED HELP.
THEY DON'T THINK THEY NEED IT.
THEY THINK THEY'RE TALKING TO AN
ALIEN. THEY'RE TALKING TO GOD
THERE, AND IT TAKES TIME.
USUALLY IN THE EXPERIENCE I'VE
HAD ITS AFTER THEY'VE BEEN
INCARCERATED FOR A FELONY, AND
THEY'RE SITTING IN JAIL WAITING
TRIAL. AND I'M TRYING TO GET
THEM MENTAL HEALTH SCREENING FOR
THE DIVERSION PROGRAM. AND THEN
THE JAIL. EVENTUALLY COURSES
THEM ARE CONVINCES THEM TO START
TAKING MEDICATION AND THEN
EVENTUALLY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME
WHEN THEY'RE IN CUSTODY NORMALLY
THE WHOLE TIME. THEY START
SEEING REALITY. UH, A LITTLE BIT
MORE CLEARLY. AND THEN MAYBE
THEY WANT TO GET HELP. OKAY, SO
IT STRIKES ME AS COUNTERFACTUAL
AND SOME CIRCUMSTANCES TO ARGUE
THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE MAKING A
CHOICE. RIGHT THERE. THURMOND
SCHIZOPHRENICS IN PARTICULAR
WHEN THEY'RE OFF THEIR
MEDICATION, THEY OFTEN HAVE
DIMINISHED CAPACITY TO MAKE
RATIONAL CHOICES ABOUT THEIR OWN
CARE. SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK
THIS PROPOSAL COMES IN. IT'S NOT
CRIMINAL. THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S
GOT THE CHANCE OF INTERVENING
EARLY. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AH! IT HAS CRITERIA THAT MAKES
SENSE TO ME. I THINK THE REAL
ISSUE AND THE STRUGGLE IS
FUNDING AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE
YOU GUYS AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THE
PROCESS INTO THE NEXT COMMITTEE.
BE FLEXIBLE ABOUT STAGGERING THE
IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE DIFFERENT
COUNTIES TO THE POINTS MY
COLLEAGUES MADE. I THINK THEY'RE
RIGHT. DIFFERENT COUNTIES ARE
DIFFERENT STAGES AND LEVELS OF
FUNDING, BUT I THINK WE NEED
THIS. I DIDN'T START OUT
SUPPORTING IT. I LOOKED AT IT. I
TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR'S STAFF.
I TALKED TO SENATOR YOUR STAFF
AND SENATOR EDMUND STAFF. UM BUT
I THINK THERE'S A GAP IN THE
SYSTEM AND THIS HAS A CHANCE OF
STANDING IN THAT GAP AND
PROVIDING AN AVENUE TO GET
PEOPLE CARE AND TREATMENT. IN
THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE. HAVING
TO GO BACK BEFORE A JUDGE IN A
CIVIL CONTEXT AND SHOW THAT YOU
ARE MAKING YOUR APPOINTMENTS
WITH WITH YOUR PSYCHIATRIST,
YOU, COUNSELOR. THAT YOU'RE
FOLLOWING A TREATMENT DIRECTIVE
THAT YOU'RE SEEKING AND GETTING
THE AVAILABLE HOUSING AND THAT'S
IMPORTANT. THAT'S PRIORITIZED. I
THINK THAT'S RIGHT ON THE MONEY.
THESE ARE IMPORTANT STEPS I
THINK FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE I
JUST DON'T COMPREHEND HOW IT IS
HUMANE TO LEAVE PEOPLE AND THE
CONDITIONS WE'RE SEEING ALL OVER
THE STATE, AND IF THE PRESENT
SYSTEM WERE ADEQUATE TO THE TASK
, WE WOULDN'T SEE THE PROBLEMS
WE'RE SEEING EVERYWHERE AND IT'S
EVERYWHERE. I'VE DRIVEN UP AND
DOWN ALL OVER THE STATE FOR
SOCCER TOURNAMENTS AND WORK.
TRAVEL FAMILY TRIPS. THIS IS A
PROBLEM. EVERYWHERE IN THE
STATE, RURAL CALIFORNIA, REMOTE
CALIFORNIA, SAN FRANCISCO, LOS
ANGELES, SAN LUIS OBISPO, SAN
DIEGO, YOU NAME IT RIGHT. SO. I
COMMEND YOUR EFFORTS ON PROUD TO
SUPPORT IT. I THINK THE FUNDING
PIECE YOUR NEEDS TO BE WORKED
OUT. THE STAGGERED
IMPLEMENTATION IS A GOOD IDEA IF
WE CAN DO THAT, IN SOME SORT OF
RATIONAL WAY. I THINK THAT'S A
PLUS. BUT AH! AYE. I THINK, IF
PROPERLY DONE CARE COURT MODEL
CAN ADDRESS A VERY ACUTE
POPULATION. THAT IS REALLY,
REALLY STRUGGLING. THAT REALLY,
REALLY NEEDS HELP, AND WE CAN
BUILD A TEAM AROUND THOSE PEOPLE
AND HAVE THEM IN THE SYSTEM AND
GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO IMPROVE
THEIR LIVES. GET HOUSE GET CLEAN
. IF THERE'S SUBSTANCE ABUSE GET
BACK ON MEDICATION IF THERE'S
SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS, SO THANK
YOU. I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT
TODAY. THANK YOU, MR
MAIENSCHEIN. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. JUST A FEW COMMENTS. UM
YOU KNOW FOR ME PERSONALLY, THIS
IS THIS ISSUE. I'VE SPENT A LOT
OF TIME IN MY CAREER WORKING ON.
UM I FIRST CLERKED I CLERK FOR
THE JUDGE AND SENIOR COUNTY WHO
HAD THE MENTAL HEALTH CALENDAR
AND HAD THE CONSERVATIVE
CALENDAR WORK FOR HIM FOR
SEVERAL YEARS. A DEEPLY
COMPASSIONATE WHY IS JUDGE WHO
WORKED ON THIS AND I THOUGHT
VERY EFFECTIVELY IN AN AREA THAT
IS, IS COMPLICATED, DIFFICULT.
THE LAW CAN BE UNCERTAIN AND
REQUIRES AH, SOMEBODY. I THINK
HE WAS A ROLE MODEL AS A JUDGE
AS TO HOW O HOW TO DO THAT. I
DON'T KNOW THAT THAT EXISTS IN
EVERY COUNTY AND THAT'S GOING TO
BE. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE
ONE OF THE MANY CHALLENGES
YOU'RE GOING TO FACE AS TO EVEN
DOWN SPECIFICS, IS WHICH JUDGE
HAS THE MENTAL HEALTH CALENDAR
MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS
THAT I ALSO SPENT BETWEEN MY
TIME ON THE SAN DIEGO CITY
COUNCIL BEFORE I WAS ELECTED
HERE, WORKING ON HOMELESSNESS
AND SENIOR COUNTY WAS CONSIDERED
THE HOMELESS COMMISSIONER THERE.
I WORK FOR THE UNITED WAY AND I
CREATED PROJECT 25 THERE AND IT
WAS YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE
MOST EFFECTIVE IS CERTAINLY ONE
OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE PROGRAMS
IN THE HISTORY OF SENIOR COUNTY
IN DEALING WITH THE CHRONICALLY
HOMELESS. WE HOUSE 38. AH
SERIOUSLY CHRONICALLY HOMELESS
INDIVIDUALS THAT MOST DIFFICULT
TO HOUSE AND THERE'S STILL I
THINK ALL BUT TWO OF THEM ARE
STILL IN HOUSING TODAY. AND SOME
SOME ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS. THEY'VE
GONE ON TO DO GREAT THINGS FROM
FROM BEING WHERE THEY WERE
REMARKABLE TURNAROUND. WITH. YOU
KNOW, SO I HAVE A NUMBER OF
THOUGHTS ON THAT. I TRIED TO
KIND OF ORGANIZE THEM SOMEWHAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY
COMPLICATED BECAUSE THIS IS A
MESH OF ISSUES. YOU'VE HEARD
PEOPLE BRING UP HOUSING. IT'S
HOUSING. IT'S MENTAL HEALTH.
IT'S CRIMINAL COURT SYSTEM. A
WHOLE LOT OF AREAS. YOU KNOW,
TRAUMA
OF CRIMINAL COURT TRAUMA.
ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD
IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER
PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE TRAUMA
FROM SERVING IN THE MILITARY.
AND YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN
SAN DIEGO, WHERE WE HAVE A HUGE
MILITARY PRESENCE, BUT THAT'S
TRUTH REALLY THROUGHOUT THE
STATE, THEY COME BACK FROM
SERVING. THEY HAVE PTSD. THEY'RE
SELF MEDICATING WITH DRUGS OR
ALCOHOL. IT'S A LARGE PROBLEM,
AND I WILL TELL YOU TO THE V A.
IS YOU KNOW, REMARKABLY
INEFFECTIVE AT DEALING WITH
THESE INDIVIDUALS. IT'S REALLY A
NATIONAL TRAGEDY. WHAT HAPPENS
THERE AND THAT THEY DON'T GET
THE RESOURCES THEY NEED FROM THE
VIA. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO
NEED TO ADDRESS THAT TOO. HOW DO
YOU HOW DO YOU WORK WITH
VETERANS? IN IT. YOU KNOW WHERE
THEY THEY SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO
TREATMENT FROM THE V A. BUT IT'S
JUST NOT. IT'S NOT HAPPENING,
AND IT'S NOT BY THE WAY. IF IT'S
NOT HAPPENING IN SAN DIEGO, IT'S
REALLY NOT HAPPENING IN THE REST
OF THE STATE WITH THE VIA, WITH
PROBABLY THE LARGEST MILITARY
PRESENCE IN THE STATE. UM THE
FUNDING, OF COURSE, IS ALWAYS
GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, BUT
REALLY, WHAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO
BE A BIGGER ISSUE IS FOLLOWED
THROUGH. THESE THESE EACH ONE OF
THESE INDIVIDUALS IS GOING TO
HAVE SEPARATE ISSUES. YOU KNOW
WHAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP PEOPLE
WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA. WOULD I
FOUND LARGELY? NOT ALWAYS BUT
LARGELY WHEN PEOPLE WITH
SCHIZOPHRENIA WERE TAKING THEIR
MEDICINE UM THEY WERE IT WAS, IT
WAS MUCH MORE PRACTICAL TO DEAL
WITH THEM BECAUSE BY DEFINITION,
THEY STARTED MAKING BETTER
DECISIONS. AND ONCE THEY DID
THAT AND STAYED ON THEIR
MEDICATION. THEY DID START
WANTING TO MAKE CHANGES IN THEIR
LIVES, UM, TO GET THE HELP THAT
THEY NEEDED BUT WITHOUT THE
MEDICATION. THEY THOUGHT ALL
SORTS OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS AND
SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE
BROUGHT UP WITH SOME OF THEM ARE
AND THAT WAS CERTAINLY MY
EXPERIENCE WITH THEM, TOO. SO
THAT'S VERY INDIVIDUALIZED. YOU
NEED SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO
MAKE SURE AN INDIVIDUAL TAKES
THEIR MEDICINE EVERY DAY. THAT'S
NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO AT
30,000 FT. YOU HAVE TO DO THAT
AT GROUND LEVEL THAT'S GOING TO
TAKE CASE MANAGERS. THIS CAN
TAKE SOCIAL WORKERS AND THAT'S
GONNA LEAD TO ANOTHER COMMENT
THAT I HAVE UM WHICH IS NORMALLY
I FAVOR PILOT PROGRAMS IN MOST
INSTANCES, BECAUSE I THINK IT
ALLOWS YOU TO A SEE IF IT WORKS
AT ALL AND BEAST WORK OUT THE
KINKS. I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S
HARD TO DO THAT. IN THIS CASE,
THIS WOULD BE ONE TIME THAT I
THINK THAT I WOULD THINK
OTHERWISE. UM BECAUSE COUNTY BY
COUNTY THIS IS GOING TO VARY
GREATLY. IT'S GOING TO VARY
GREATLY BASED ON THE BANDWIDTH,
THE SERIOUSNESS WITH WHICH THE
COUNTY AH! TAKES IT. I REMEMBER
I MET I MET WITH THE MAYOR OF A
CITY IN MY COUNTY WHO LITERALLY
TOLD ME I WENT TO CITY HALL TO
ME WITH HIM. HE TOLD ME HE HAD
NO HOMELESS PEOPLE IN HIS IN HIS
CITY. NONE NOW. MEANWHILE I HAD
DRIVEN BY HOMELESS PEOPLE ON THE
FREEWAY OFF RAMP THAT I GOT BY
TRUCK BY SO I JUST INVITED HIM
TO COME BACK OUT WITH ME TO SEE
THE HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT. BUT
YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
CONSIDERATION THAT YOU HAVE TO
HAVE COUNTIES THAT JUST DON'T
REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS THIS IN A
SERIOUS MANNER. YOU HAVE OTHER
COUNTIES THAT DO BUT THAT HAVE
DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT
WORK ON THIS WE HAD IN SAN DIEGO
COUNTY. HE'S NO LONGER WITH US.
BUT YOU KNOW, FATHER, JOE
CARROLL IS VERY FAMOUS. UM NOT
JUST OBVIOUSLY IN SENIOR BUT
THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR HIS
LIFELONG WORK ON HOMELESS, SAID
HE DIED RECENTLY. WE HAVE OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS. ALPHA PROJECTS A
GREAT ONE. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF
OTHER ONES THAT ARE REALLY GOOD.
BUT THERE IS A FATHER JOE, OR AN
ALPHA PROJECT IN FRESNO AND
BAKERSFIELD OR LA OR SAN JOSE
WHEREVER ALL MY COLLEAGUES ARE
FROM BELL HAVE THEIR OWN, BUT IT
WILL BE A DIFFERENT IT WOULD BE
A DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL.
DIFFERENT GROUP. HOW DO YOU
MESH? WITH THAT GROUP, SOMETHING
ALSO THAT I HOPE YOU WILL
ADDRESS. I DO WANT TO CLEAR UP
ONE THING BECAUSE I'M WORKING ON
A SEPARATE ISSUE. I WANT TO
CLEAR BOTH MY SUPPORT OF THIS
WITH SOMETHING THAT I THINK I
HAVEN'T ALWAYS SEEN IN THE WORK
NECESSARILY ON THIS, BUT I WANT
TO CLARIFY IT IS YOU KNOW, THIS
BILL IS DIFFERENT THAN AH, THE
BILL THAT I'M WORKING ON WITH.
AH BOTH SUPPORTED DECISION
MAKING, AND IT MAKES CHANGES TO
THE PROBATE CONSERVATORSHIP
SYSTEM. SO I WANT TO SAY TO
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACT MY
OFFICE. THESE ARE TWO VERY
SEPARATE ISSUES. PROBATE
CONSERVATIVE IS DIFFERENT. IT
FALLS UNDER. OFTENTIMES I THINK
WHEN PEOPLE HEAR CONSERVATIVE,
THEY JUST THINK IT'S SORT OF
ONE. BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO
VERY DISTINCT ONES. AND I WANT
TO CLARIFY THAT THE PROBATE
CONSERVATIVE IS ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE
DEALING WITH HERE. MOST PEOPLE
AGAIN NO KIND OF APPROPRIATE
CONSERVATIVE, AT LEAST RECENTLY
, HAS GOTTEN MORE IN THE NEWS
BECAUSE OF THE BRITNEY SPEARS
DOCUMENTARY IN THE SITUATION
THAT BRITNEY SPEARS WENT
THROUGH, AND OBVIOUSLY SHE'S
SOMEBODY WE CAN WE ALL IDENTIFY
AND KNOW WHO WHO THEY ARE, BUT
THAT IS, UM, COMPLETELY SEPARATE
THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO I
WANT I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THOSE
WHO ARE WATCHING THAT THAT'S
SOMETHING ELSE AND SENATOR
APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT OF THE
WORK THAT THAT I HAVE DONE ON
THE PROBATE, CONSERVATIVE SHIP.
PART OF IT, UM I'M GONNA I
DEFINITELY I DEFINITELY THINK
THIS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S
IMPORTANT THAT WE DO. BUT WHAT
I'M GONNA URGES THAT THIS HAS TO
WORK. IT HAS TO ACTUALLY RESULT
IN CHANGES. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE STATE
AND SEEN IT, AND IT'S TRUE.
WE'VE ALL SEEN THE GROWTH IN OUR
OWN CITIES AND COUNTIES, AND
WE'VE ALL SEEN IT WHEN WE
TRAVELED SOMETHING THAT WAS
THAT'S JUST VERY DIFFERENT THAN
EVEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THE
UNDERPASSES AND THE KIND OF TENT
CITIES AS WE WALK AROUND THE
REAL CRISIS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM AND SO WHILE FUNDING IS GOING
AND COUNTIES ARE GOING TO ALWAYS
ASK FOR FUNDING, NO MATTER WHAT.
RIGHTLY SO AND THEN ALSO BECAUSE
THEY JUST ARE ALWAYS GOING TO
WANT MORE FUNDING, BUT THE DEVIL
IS REALLY GOING TO BE IN THE
DETAILS ON THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO
I LITERALLY MYSELF, WALKED INTO
THE CANYONS AND HAD TO TRY TO
TALK TO PEOPLE TO GET THEM TO
COME OUT OF. LIVING THERE,
THINKING THAT LIVING IN THAT
CANYON WAS A GOOD CHOICE AND GET
THEM INTO HOUSING. SO THAT'S
WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE. THE
MORE IMPORTANT THING IS THE
PERSON WHO IS GOING TO GO OUT
THERE AND GET THIS INDIVIDUAL TO
COME IN TO TAKE THEIR
MEDICATION. TO GET INTO HOUSING
TO GET THE SUPPORT THAT THEY
NEED THAT. THAT'S WHERE I THINK
THIS IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE
WON OR LOST. AND SO I KNOW THIS
HAS KIND OF BEEN A LONG WINDED
WAY OF COMMENTS ON THIS, AND
THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR
YOU. BUT JUST IN MY CAREER OF
WORKING ON THIS I JUST IT'S SO
IMMENSELY. COMPLICATED AND
COMPLEX. AND HOW HAVE YOU
THOUGHT ABOUT BREAKING IT DOWN
AT THE COUNTY LEVELS? I MEAN,
WE'VE GOT 58 OF THEM THAT ARE
GOING TO HAVE, IF NOT 58 SORT OF
SEPARATE. RESPONSES CERTAINLY,
YOU KNOW, 20 SEPARATE RESPONSES.
HOW HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT
COUNTY BY COUNTY BECAUSE I WILL
ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU WHAT? WHAT
WILL WORK AND DOESN'T WORK IN
SAN DIEGO IS NOT WHAT IT'S GOING
TO BE IN SAN JOSE. OR WEST
HOLLYWOOD OR WHEREVER ELSE. SO I
COME BACK TO A WORD THAT A
COUPLE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES USED,
WHICH IS PARTNERSHIP. I THINK
IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO
WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE COURTS
, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IDENTIFYING THE RIGHT JUSTICE IN
EACH COUNTY OR MULTIPLE,
DEPENDING ON THE SIZE IS GOING
TO BE KEY. THE TRAINING THE
SUPPORT THE REAL UNDERSTANDING
OF HOW TO WORK IN THAT
PARTNERSHIP. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH
SIMILAR MAYBE NOT ON THIS ISSUE
, BUT WE'VE CREATED WHETHER
THAT'S IN SOME OF OUR CHILD
WELFARE PROGRAMS OR OTHER
PROGRAMS WHERE YOU'VE CREATED
PARTNERSHIPS LIKE OPPORTUNITIES
THAT INVOLVE THE COURT AND COULD
INVOLVE COUNTY SERVICES INVOLVED
THE CLIENT TO REALLY BUILD
AROUND THAT PARTNERSHIP, AND I
THINK IN EACH COUNTY THERE ARE
GOING TO BE DIFFERENT ASSETS,
DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT ARE
GOING TO MAKE UP THAT
PARTNERSHIP. AND MAKING SURE
THAT THROUGH THAT PRIORITIZATION
AND ACCOUNTABILITY THAT ALL THE
PARTNERS AT THE TABLE UNDERSTAND
WHERE WE WANT TO GO, AND THAT'S
GOING TO TAKE TIME. RIGHT?
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE EFFORT AND
WORKING TOGETHER AND MAKING SURE
THAT THE RESOURCES ARE NOT JUST
SORT OF ACCOUNTED FOR ON PAPER
BUT REALLY MADE AVAILABLE BUT
THEN THE ONE OR TWO HOUSING
UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ARE
THERE FOR THE THIS POPULATION SO
THAT THEY CAN NOT JUST
RECOGNIZED THESTABILIZATION
THAT COMES FROM POTENTIALLY
TAKING MEDICATIONS ON A REGULAR
BASIS, BUT ALSO OF HAVING THAT
STRONG, SOLID, RELIABLE
COMMUNITY BASED HOUSING THAT
ISN'T PART OF NECESSARILY A
HOSPITAL OR THE JUSTICE SYSTEM
AT ALL RIGHT, SO I THINK IT'S
REALLY GOING TO COME DOWN TO
PARTNERSHIP. UNDERSTANDING THE
NUANCE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. THE
GOOD NEWS IS THE PARTNERS DOING
THE WORK TODAY. A LOT OF THIS
WORK UNDERSTAND THAT ARE WORKING
WITH COURTS, AND I THINK WE HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD ON THAT,
SO IT'S GOING TO BE DELIBERATE.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME AND
FOCUS. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN
EXAMPLE OF ONE OR TWO OF THE
ONES THAT YOU ARE KIND OF
HOLDING UP AS A MODEL? WELL, I
MEAN, I KNOW L A THE BEST
BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I
DID THE WORK. AND WE HAVE, UM
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE WHAT? THE
WORK OF THE OFFICE OF DIVERSION
REENTRY, THE MENTAL HEALTH COURT
, THEIR PUBLIC DEFENDERS, THE
JUSTICE PARTNERS, THE CLINICAL
PARTNERS, COUNTY DEPARTMENT,
HOUSING ENTITIES, ALL WHO COME
TOGETHER. WITH A COMMITMENT TO
CREATE COMMUNITY BASED HOUSING
SOLUTIONS THAT THERE'S A MODEL
FOR MY COMMITMENT TO MAKING SURE
THAT CLINICIANS ARE PART OF THE
PLAN THAT INDIVIDUALS, WHETHER
THEIR PEERS WHETHER THEY'RE
CASEWORKERS, WHETHER THEY'RE
SOCIAL WORKERS OF VARIETY OF
OTHER INDIVIDUALS ARE THERE AT
THE TABLE, WORKING CLOSELY DAILY
, NOT JUST DURING BUSINESS
HOURS, BUT ALL THE TIME AROUND
THE CLOCK. THIS IS WHY MAKING
SURE THAT JUSTICE IT WAS
INVOLVED IS REALLY INTENSE. SO I
THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF MODELS
. I THINK WE CAN LIFT SOME UP IN
SANTA CLARA COUNTY. THERE'S
OTHER SIMILAR IN FRESNO.
INTERRUPT, BUT LIKE SPECIFICALLY
THAT I HEAR I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING. SORT OF GENERALLY, BUT
SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE
A COUPLE OF THEM. WHAT ARE A
COUPLE OF THE PROGRAMS? I MEAN,
THE ONE OUT SO OPPOSITE OF
DIVERSION OF REENTRY HAS
HUNDREDS OF PARTNERS IN LOS
ANGELES COUNTY. RIGHT THAT ARE
WORKING, WORKING ON SIMILAR
ISSUES. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT
SPECIAL SERVICES FOR GROUPS. YOU
CAN TALK ABOUT EXODUS, YOU CAN
TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PARTNERS THAT
ARE PART OF THOSE PROGRAMS, BUT
IT'S NOT ONE SINGLE ENTITY, SO
IT'S HARD TO NAME THAT THAT THAT
SPECIFIC PARTNER IN EVERY SINGLE
ONE BECAUSE IT TAKES DIFF'RENT
ONES ACROSS THAT COUNTY, FOR
EXAMPLE, I THAT'S THE POINT THAT
I HAVE. WHICH IS IT DOES TAKE
DIFFERENT ONES, YOU KNOW, IN
DIFFERENT COUNTIES, SO YOU KNOW
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I WOULD
URGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE
WHO ARE SHOWING SOME LEVEL OF
SUCCESS STORIES IN EACH ONE OF
THESE COUNTIES AGAINST
STATEWIDE. IT CAN BE L A. IT CAN
BE SAN DIEGO BE ANYWHERE ELSE.
BUT ANY COUNTY THROUGHOUT THE
STATE AND SEE WHAT IT IS.
THEY'RE DOING ACTUALLY ON THE
GROUND, BECAUSE IF WE JUST AGAIN
TALK ABOUT SORT OF FUNDING FOR
DEPARTMENTS, I THINK WE'RE GOING
TO MISS WHAT IT'S ULTIMATELY.
UM, GOING TO TAKE IN TERMS OF
THE 51 FIFTIES. AH, THOSE ARE
THAT THAT'S ANOTHER AREA. THAT'S
AGAIN GOING TO BE CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT HOW THAT'S HANDLED
BECAUSE EACH REGION IS DIFFERENT
IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS ONCE
THE 51 50 SITUATION ARISES. IS
THERE A BED? IS THERE A MENTAL
HEALTH PRACTITIONER? TO HELP
THAT PERSON. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
THE PERSON IS DONE WITH THE 51
50 HOLD AND WE'RE HAVING THIS
DISCUSSION NOW AT THE
LEGISLATIVE LEVEL AS TO WHO'S
THE BEST PERSON TO GO OUT AND
RESPOND TO THAT CALL, WHETHER
IT'S YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT,
WHETHER IT'S SOCIAL WORKERS,
WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW WHO SHOULD
BE ADDRESSING THAT AND
ULTIMATELY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO
GET THE BEST RESULT? WHEN
SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE AND
DEALS WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, SO
EVEN THAT ISSUE IS SO IT'S NOT
JUST RECURRING RESPONSE TIME,
FOR EXAMPLE, RESPONSE TIME FOR
51 WHEN WE HAVE 51 50 CALL THAT
SOMEBODY IS SUICIDAL OR
SOMEONE'S WALKS INTO A WAITING
ROOM OF A HOSPITAL AND POLICE
DON'T GET THERE QUICK ENOUGH AND
THERE AND IT'S MAYBE SOMEBODY
SOMEBODY THAT THAT DOESN'T IT'S
A IT'S A COUNTY OR THE
DEPARTMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A
SOCIAL WORKER TO GO OUT THERE.
HOW DO YOU? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO
DEAL WITH THAT ON A WITH EACH
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN THIS
STATE. HUGE IS SUCH A MASSIVE
UNDERTAKING. I'M GOING TO I'M
GOING TO SUPPORT IT, BUT I
REALLY YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK
IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. I
THINK WE I WISH I WISH WE HAD
SOME OF THIS WHEN I WAS DOING
THIS IN SAN DIEGO. I WISH I
WOULD HAVE HAD SOME OF THESE
RESOURCES AND SOME OF THIS
COMMITMENT AT THAT TIME. UM BUT
I WILL SAY WITH ALL OF THIS THE
DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS AT THE
ABSOLUTE GROUND LEVEL, IT COMES
DOWN TO THE PERSON WHO'S WALKING
BACK. GOING UNDER THAT UNDERPASS
ON THAT FRUIT WAS GOING INTO A
CANYON. AND TALKING TO SOMEBODY
WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA AND TRYING TO
GET THEM. HELP. THAT'S WHERE
IT'S AT THAT LEVEL. IT'S AT THAT
LEVEL WITH AND YOU CAN. I'M JUST
PICKING ON THAT AREA BECAUSE YOU
CAN DO IT. ANY OF THESE WHO
COMES BEFORE JUDICIAL SYSTEM WHO
GETS WHO COMES BEFORE 51 50
CALL, IT'S ALL ON. THE
INDIVIDUAL AT THE MOMENT THAT
THAT 51 50 RESPONSE. IT'S ALL ON
THE MOMENT WHEN THAT PERSON
BECOMES BEFORE THE CONSERVATOR
SHIP JUDGE AND IF THEY GET A
JUDGE LIKE I WORKED WITH LUCK.
UM IF THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT
PROBABLY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE
EACH OF THESE 58 COUNTIES ARE ON
THAT, TOO, SO I KNOW THIS IS A
MASSIVE UNDERTAKING. I'M PLEASED
TO SUPPORT IT TODAY, BUT THIS IS
THIS IS A HEAVY HEAVY LEFT SO
UH, PLEASED TO SUPPORT IT TODAY,
THOUGH. THANK YOU. MR RIVAS?
YES, AND I WILL BE BRIEF. I
DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT
JUST WANT TO THANK THE SENATOR
FOR HIS LEADERSHIP. YOU KNOW?
CERTAINLY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
EFFORT. UM ALSO WANT TO, YOU
KNOW, AS WAS MENTIONED. WE CAN'T
AFFORD THIS BUILD A FAIL. UM,
BUT YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY HAVE
TO GET IT RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I
APPRECIATE YOUR CHAIR AND THE
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR THE WORK
THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THIS
BUILDING. ENGAGEMENT UM, YOU
KNOW, CERTAINLY GOTTEN THIS BILL
TO A PLACE WHERE I CAN SUPPORT
IT TODAY. UM BUT CERTAINLY THOSE
CONCERNS REMAIN, AND MANY OF THE
COMMUNITIES I REPRESENT, YOU
KNOW THE CONCERNS AROUND IN, YOU
KNOW, IN PARTICULAR RESOURCES AS
AS WE HAVE HEARD, AND I HAVE TO
LINE MY COMMENTS WITH WITH WITH
WITH ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES,
RESOURCES. FUNDING HOUSING
STAFFING LEVELS, SO I REPRESENT
A DISTRICT IN A REGION. UM THAT
IS LARGELY RURAL. UM AND YOU
KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO RESOURCES
AND THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION
AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS
LEGISLATION. OUR REGION, UM IT'S
A CONCERN FOR MANY OF THOSE
COUNTIES AND, YOU KNOW, UM LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS UM, THE RESOURCES WE
CURRENTLY HAVE. THEY NEVER SEEM
TO BE ENOUGH. AND SO CERTAINLY
IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS
RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS
WORK. YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY OUR
STATE NEEDS TO HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT LEVEL OF INVESTMENT
AND COMMITMENT TO MAKE IT WORK.
BUT LOOK FORWARD TO UM, YOU
KNOW, ENSURING THAT WE DO ALL WE
CAN TO SUPPORT THE
ADMINISTRATION AND TO SUPPORT
THESE EFFORTS. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I
THINK PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS
IT'S UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS
REALLY IS. AND IT ISN'T AND I
THINK YOU'VE YOU'VE HEARD THAT
IN A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS AND
JUST BY WAY, OF EXAMPLE. IN SUB
FIVE WHEN THE COURTS PIECE CAME
THROUGH. THE SUB FIVE IS THE
PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET HERE.
THEY'RE EVEN AND EVEN FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION, SAYING, THIS IS
WHAT WE WANT TO DO. THERE WAS
NOT A LOT OF CLARITY, AND I'LL
GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. AND
THE COURTS CAN VERY CAVALIERLY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SELF
HELP CENTERS A WORLD PEOPLE WILL
COME INTO THIS. CARE CORDS
THROUGH THE SELF HELP CENTERS.
WELL, THAT'S NOT HOW THEY WERE
DESIGNED. AND IF THAT'S THE
MESSAGING, THEN THAT'S OPENING
UP. THIS MECHANISM TO MORE THAN
THE HOMELESS AND THE CHRONICALLY
HOMELESS. BUT ANYONE WHO FAMILY
MEMBERS OR OTHERS. HAS SOMEONE
WITH SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES TO COME IN. BUT ALSO PART
I WORRY ABOUT IS SOMEONE WHO WAS
JUST INCONVENIENCE WITH AND THIS
COULD EVEN COME FROM FAMILIES OR
OTHERS WHO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO
BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH NOW,
NOTWITHSTANDING. A LOT OF FOLKS
IN LOCALS ARE FRUSTRATED EVEN
WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY OR
HAVE INSURANCE AND THE NOT ABLE
TO FIND PRACTITIONERS OR PLACES
FOR PEOPLE TO GO. ALREADY. IF
THEY'RE GOING TO BE FRUSTRATED
AND THEN USE THIS AS A MECHANISM
NOW YOUR BOUNDS AROUND WHO'S
BEING APPROACHED HERE IS NOW
GOING TO START TO GROW AND GROW
AND GROW AND REALLY OVERWHELMED
THIS CAPACITY, BECAUSE IF WE
GIVE PEOPLE A MECHANISM TO
OFFLOAD THEIR BURDENS. THEY WILL
TAKE THAT. AND SO I'M NOT SURE
THAT SO FAR THE ONLY PIECE
THAT'S BEEN FUNDED THAT I'VE
SEEN BEEN PROPOSED TO BE FUNDED
WAS THE COURTS AND THEN WE SEE
YESTERDAY. AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF
WHOLE LOTS OF OTHER MONEY, WHICH
I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT TO DO
WITH THAT ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE I
DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MONEY IS
WHERE IT'S COMING FROM WHERE
IT'S GOING, AND IT'S GRANTS, BUT
THAT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO THE
TO THE FUNDAMENTAL PIECES OF
THIS THAT ULTIMATELY REALLY NEED
TO BE ADDRESSED TO BE SUCCESSFUL
AND IMPLEMENTATIONS ARE GOING TO
BE DIFFERENT COUNTY BY COUNTY BY
COUNTY. AND WHAT IS ALWAYS
WORRIED ME WITH PROGRAMS LIKE
THIS IS IF WE GIVE TOOLS TO
COUNTIES AND GIVE THEM A LOT OF
FLEXIBILITY AND AUTONOMY, THESE
WILL BE MECHANISMS TO WHETHER
IT'S SOMEONE WHO'S HOMELESS,
CHRONICALLY HOMELESS OR SOMEONE
WHO WAS JUST A FAMILY MEMBER. A
PLACE TO DEAL WITH FOLKS WHO
WERE INCONVENIENCE WITHOUT
REALLY GIVING THAT INDIVIDUAL
THE SUPPORT AND THE HELP THAT
THEY NEED. AND WE'VE HEARD THIS
IF THIS WAS REALLY MORE CARE AND
LESS COURTS, I THINK THAT WOULD
BE MESSAGING AND A DIRECTION
THAT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL AND
THROUGH SOME OF THE WORK THAT
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO. WE
TRIED TO BOLSTER THE HOUSING
PIECE OF THIS AND NOT JUST A
PLAN, BUT A REQUIREMENT. KNOWING
FULL WELL FROM THE COUNTIES AND
THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FOLKS THAT
THERE WERE THAT THAT OBLIGATION
FALLS ON THEM, AND THEIR JOB IS
NOT HOUSING. THEIR JOB IS
ULTIMATELY TREATMENT. AND.
THERE'S AN INTERESTING DICHOTOMY
IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION HERE
THAT I THINK IS A NATURAL ONE.
THE CITIES WHO ARE BEARING THE
BRUNT OF HOMELESSNESS, LOVE
THESE KINDS OF THINGS. THE
COUNTIES WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE
TO COME UP WITH THE RESOURCES
AND PAY FOR ALL OF THIS, AND IF
THEY DON'T DO IT RIGHT. THEY'RE
GONNA GET FINED WHICH IS LESS
MONEY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE
IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE
SERVICES. ARE QUESTIONING. I
THINK THE ONLY COUNTIES THAT WE
GOT SUPPORT OF THIS OR IS THE
INDIEGOGO AND SAN FRANCISCO
FRANCISCO BEING A CITY AND THE
COUNTY IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IN
THAT IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. AND
SO THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR THE
RELIEF ARE DESPERATE TO FIND
RELIEF. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT
AND APPROPRIATELY, THOSE WHO ARE
HAVING TO FACE IMPLEMENTING AND
UNSURE HOW THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING
ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
THAT. AND WE TRIED THROUGH SOME
OF THE AMENDMENTS TO BE CLEARER
ABOUT WHO THIS IS GOING TO BE
SUPPORTING. NOT QUITE SUCCESSFUL
THERE TRIED AS I SAID, TO GET
MORE REQUIREMENTS AROUND HOUSING
OR NOT QUITE SUCCESSFUL THERE.
WELL, THIS IS THE PENULTIMATE
COMMITTEE. THERE'S ONE MORE THEN
IT GOES. TO APPROPRIATIONS. AND
THEN IT GOES TO THE FLOOR. WE'RE
GETTING LATE IN THE PROCESS WITH
LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND LOTS OF
ISSUES. NOW I APPRECIATE THE
NEGOTIATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AND
THAT THAT DR GALLEY, YOUR TEAM
HAS BEEN WILLING TO TALK TO US
AND LISTEN TO SOME OF THE
CONCERNS THAT THAT THAT WE HAVE
HAD, INCLUDING SOME OF THE CIVIL
LIBERTIES QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF
OTHERS. BUT IF THIS JUST BECOMES
MECHANISM TO SWEEP PEOPLE UP
BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE SEEING
THEM I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR
INTENT, IF THAT'S HOW IT GETS
IMPLEMENTED, THIS IS NOT GOING
TO GO VERY WELL. IF IT'S NOT
ADEQUATELY FUNDED, IT WILL
POTENTIALLY COLLAPSE UNDER ITS
OWN WEIGHT. WITH WITHOUT THE
ABILITY TO BE SUCCESS. I THINK
WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS.
AND THE WITH ESPECIALLY WITH THE
GIVEN EMPHASIS ON HOUSING AND
HOMELESSNESS ACROSS THE STATE,
AND I THINK WE ARE SEEING
INCREASES IN HOMELESS AND IN
SOME AREAS WE'RE NOT SEEING
INCREASING. NUMBERS OF HOMELESS
BUT WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASED
FOCUS ON HOMELESS AND I'LL JUST
TALK ABOUT MY OWN BACKYARD. I'M
HONESTLY HAPPY TO SEE THE WELL,
HAPPY IS NOT QUITE THE RIGHT
WORD, BUT IT IS INTERESTING TO
SEE HOW VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS IS
, AND I THINK THAT'S CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT BECAUSE FOR THE
LONGEST TIME AS MR MAIENSCHEIN
MENTIONED AND I HAVE CITIES IN
MY DISTRICT, WHO ALSO SAID WE
DON'T HAVE HOMELESS. YEAH YOU DO
. YOU JUST HAVE AN UNWILLINGNESS
TO SEE IT. AND WITHOUT
RECOGNITION WITHOUT A
WILLINGNESS TO SEE WHAT THE
PROBLEM IS. THERE WILL BE NO
SOLUTIONS AND WITHOUT THEN
BUILDING APPROPRIATE MENTAL
HEALTH SERVICES HERE AND FOR THE
LONGEST TIME AND AGAIN, DR ALI
APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP. THE
GREAT WORK THAT MICHELLE BOSSES
DOING IN D HCS AND OTHERS, BUT
NOT THAT LONG AGO D H SITES ROLE
REALLY IS UTILIZATION CONTROL
AND NOT A PARTICIPANT IN FINDING
UNIQUE AND CREATIVE WAYS TO DEAL
WITH MENTAL HEALTH. IT'S ONE OF
THE REASONS I THINK THE PROP 63
MONEY WENT COLLECTED AND UNSPENT
BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW WHAT TO DO
WITH IT. THERE WEREN'T THE
MECHANISMS THERE, AND IT WAS
JUST THE STATE WAS A GATEKEEPER
FOR FUNDS RATHER THAN ENSURING
THAT REAL MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS
WERE PUT IN PLACE IN ALL OF OUR
COMMUNITIES. AND THE END WITH
THE GAMBIT I MEAN, LOT OF PEER
SUPPORTED MENTAL HEALTH LOT OF
SORT OF LOCAL THINGS THAT THAT
LOCALS WANT TO IMPLEMENT. DIDN'T
KNOW HOW OR COULDN'T BECAUSE OF
THE LACK OF RESOURCES IN THAT
MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM IN
CALIFORNIA HAS REALLY BEEN BEEN
FRACTURED OVER THE YEARS. PART
OF THAT IS THE REASON WE'RE
SEEING. I THINK WHAT WE'RE
SAYING SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE
THESE STEPS ADEQUATELY FUNDING
THEM RECOGNIZING WHAT THE
REALITIES ARE ON THE GROUND AND
SUPPORTING WHAT COUNTIES KNOW
THAT THEY NEED TO DO IS GOING TO
BE KEY IN THIS, AND THERE HASN'T
BEEN A WILLINGNESS TO REALLY
ADDRESS THE FUNDING SIDE OF IT,
AND IN THE RESOURCE SIDE OF IT,
THAT IS THAT REALLY HAS TO
HAPPEN. SO I'M I'M GLAD YOU'RE
WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDERS. I'M
GLAD YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE
MECHANISMS THAT EXIST. BUT I
WORRY THAT WE'LL SEE SOME
SUCCESSES IN COUNTIES WHO ARE
WILLING TO IMPLEMENT AND WORK IT
AND BLESS SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER
COUNTIES, ESPECIALLY IF THEY
JUST SEE THIS AS A TOOL OF FOR
SHUNTING PEOPLE THE SIDE BUT
THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE IN PUBLIC
ANYMORE THAT I THINK WOULD BE AN
EXACERBATION OF THE TRAGEDY THAT
THAT WE SEE ULTIMATELY IN OUR
COMMUNITIES AND WITH WITH
HOMELESS, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF
MY CONCERNS. I KNOW YOU AND YOUR
TEAM ARE PROBABLY SICK OF US,
PUSHING AND PUSHING AND PUSHING
AND PUSHING. AND A LOT OF THIS
HAS REALLY COME KIND OF LATE IN
THE PROCESS. WE'VE BEEN TRYING
TO ENGAGE IN TRYING TO GET SOME
OF THESE CONCEPTS REALLY CLEANED
UP, SO I'M. I AM GOING TO
SUPPORT TODAY. I AM GIVING AN
EYE RECOMMENDATION. BUT I DO
WANT TO SEE WHERE IT GOES NEXT.
AND I WANT TO SEE SOME OF THESE
COMMITMENTS REALLY BEING
FOLLOWED THROUGH AND AN
UNDERSTANDING OF. HOW DESPERATE
IMPLEMENTATIONS REALLY MAY OR
MAY NOT AFFECT WHAT IS GOING O
WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS OR COULD-LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE IF WE DO THIS
IF WE PASS THIS AND IF WE PUT
ALL THESE INVESTMENTS IN AND IT
FAILS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PUT ALL
OF THE RIGHT PIECES TOGETHER.
THAT THAT JUST CANNOT BE
ACCEPTABLE. AND THAT'S WHAT
YOU'RE HEARING. USUALLY WHEN WE
PROPOSE SOMETHING FOR THE
LEGISLATURE WORKING FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION, I JUST RUN A
PILOT PROGRAM. WELL I THINK
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE
CONCERN HERE IS WHAT IS IT THAT
WE'RE DOING? HOW DO WE SEE
SUCCESS? HOW DO WE SEE SUCCESS
IN EVERY SINGLE COUNTY? AND
ENSURE THAT THERE IS THAT
ACCOUNTABILITY AND ENSURE THAT
THERE IS THERE ARE THOSE
PROGRAMS MOVING FORWARD. AND YES
, WE'VE THROWN A LOT OF MONEY AT
HOMELESSNESS. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T
KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE
RIGHT ACCOUNTABILITY ACROSS THE
STATE WE GET ASKED LOCALLY, ALL
OF US DO. WHERE IS THIS MOEY
GOING? AND I'LL TALK TO MY
CONSTITUENTS. WE PUT HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO SOME
SMALL COUNTIES. AND NOBODY
REALLY KNOWS WHERE THAT GOES.
THIS THE THIS PROGRAM REALLY HAS
TO COME WITH THAT
ACCOUNTABILITY. MEASURABLE
RESULTS AND WAYS THAT THAT WE
KNOW WE CAN MONITOR AND MANAGE
AND BE ABLE TO COME BACK.
ULTIMATELY IF WE HAVE A PROGRAM
THAT'S SUCCESSFUL AND SAY THIS
IS WHY IT'S SUCCESSFUL. THIS IS
WHY WE CAN BE PROUD OF IT. THIS
IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO RATHER
THAN JUST SOMETHING THAT THERE'S
FLASHY. WE'RE SOLVING SOMETHING.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE
STRUCTURE BUILT AROUND IT OR
ULTIMATELY FOR SUCCESS, AND I
THINK THAT'S THERE ARE A LOT OF
CONCERNS BEING ARTICULATED HERE
TODAY AROUND ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE
BEEN AN HOUR AND A HALF OF
COMMITTEE CONVERSATION. SORRY
ABOUT THAT, SENATOR. YOU GET THE
LAST WORD, SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU
TO CLOSE. WELL THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
COMMENTS AND THANK YOU FOR
ACTUALIZING SOME OF YOUR
CONCERNS IN APPROVING THE BILL.
UM THIS BILL IS DIFFERENT THAN
THE BILL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY
INTRODUCED AND I THINK ALONG THE
WAY YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE DONE
A WONDERFUL JOB IN HELPING TO
IMPROVE IT. UM IN TERMS OF LIVED
EXPERIENCE, I DO NOT HAVE THE
LIVED EXPERIENCE OF BEING
HOMELESS. I DON'T HAVE THE LIVED
EXPERIENCE OF PERSONALLY HAVING.
SCHIZOPHRENIA I DO HAVE THE
LIVED EXPERIENCE, THOUGH, OF
FAMILIES WHO LOOK FOR LOVED ONES
AT FOUR. IN THE MORNING. I DO
HAVE THE LIVED EXPERIENCE OF
LOOKING FOR A LOVED ONE AT A
HOSPITAL. I'VE LIVED EXPERIENCE
OF LOOKING AND PICKING UP A
LOVED ONE. AT THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT ON REPEATED OCCASIONS
. UM I'M NOT AN EXPERT. I'M NOT
AN EXPERT IN MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES. UM BUT I DO HAVE SOME
EXPERTISE IN TERMS OF
ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THAT'S BEEN
RAISED SEVERAL TIMES HERE, AND
THAT IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT
THIS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE
CREATING A SYSTEM WHERE THERE IS
ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE TOOLS TO
SUPPORT THOSE WITH SEVERE MENTAL
ILLNESS, THE TOOLS SO THAT THE
REQUISITE MEDICATIONS ARE
PROVIDED SO THAT WE PRIORITIZE
HOUSINGS THAT WE PROVIDE A
STABLE ENVIRONMENT SO THAT WE
DON'T HAVE TO GET TO A
CONSERVATORSHIP. IS ONE OF THE
FIRST STEPS WE STILL HAVE A WAY
TO GO. RESOURCES ARE STILL
CRITICAL. IT IS A CHALLENGE. IT
IS A CHALLENGE FOR FOLKS TO COME
INTO COURT. BECAUSE THAT IS A
SCARY PLACE IS A SCARY PLACE FOR
ME, AND I'VE BEEN THERE
THOUSANDS OF TIMES. IT'S A SCARY
PLACE, AND SO WE HAVE A
CHALLENGE OF MAKING SURE THAT
THAT THAT ENVIRONMENT IS ONE
THAT IS SUPPORTIVE THROUGH
TRAINING OF THE COURTS AND
THROUGH MAKING SURE THAT THE
SUPPORTERS ARE ADEQUATELY
TRAINED AND PROVIDED THE TOOLS
TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT WE
ACHIEVE THE OUTCOME THAT ALL OF
US WISH TO ACHIEVE THE SAME
THING WITH COUNCIL BY THE WAY,
THERE'S THERE. NOT ONE IN THE
SAME SUPPORTER AND COUNSELOR TO
DIFFERENT ROLES TO BE PLAYED
HERE. HOUSING CHALLENGE REMAINS
BEFORE US. WE'RE ADDRESSING IT
BY PRIORITIZING THE HUMAN
RESOURCE CHALLENGE IS A REAL
CHALLENGE HERE IN CALIFORNIA,
NOT JUST WITH RESPECT TO THE
CARE COURSE, BUT WITH RESPECT TO
ALL THE BEHAVIORAL ISSUES THAT
WE'RE EXPERIENCING. THE PROBLEM
IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE ACUTE
, AND THE URGENCY OF THE PROBLEM
IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE ACUTE
AS YOU SAID, MR CHAIR AND OTHERS
HAVE SAID YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND YOU
SEE HOMELESS FOLKS AND YOU SEE
FOLKS THAT ARE IN DESPERATE NEED
, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL URGE AND
I VOTE. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT MOTION
IS DUE PAST TO HEALTH COMMITTEE
CALLED THE ROLL, PLEASE. STONE
CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM. I BLOOM
BLOOM I DAVIES DAVIES, I, HANEY
HANEY. I CHOLERA. KYLE CARLA.
NO, KYLIE. CORRECT KYLIE, I
MAIENSCHEIN MAIENSCHEIN I RAISE
MY RIVAS. RIVERSIDE. THANK YOU.
THAT BILL IS OUT. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. THANK YOU. MEMBERS FOR
YOUR PATIENTS MEMBERS. WE HAVE
ONE MORE BILL TO HERE IS SENATOR
GLACIER. WE SHOWED UP HOURS AGO
AND NOW IS STILL HERE. SO LET'S-DO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT SP 14 88,
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER
OF VOTES TO COMPLETE. SO BEAR
WITH US AND LET'S GET THROUGH
THE REST OF OUR HEARING, SENATOR
. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. WE DO
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND JUST
TO SUMMARIZE. THEN THIS BILL
TRIES TO CONFORM THE PART
INSPECTOR GENERAL WITH OUR OTHER
INSPECTOR GENERAL'S WE HAVE IN
THE STATE. CAL TRANSIT AT L. A
METRO DIæN IN CONJUNCTION WITH
OUR WONDERFUL LANE HOWLER.
FORMER AUDITOR OF OUR STATE IN
THE PREPARATION. THIS BILL
OPPOSITION HAS RAISED 10 ISSUES
WE RESOLVED NINE OF THEM, NINE
OF THEM THE ONLY ONE REMAINING
RUNS INTO SOME PRIVACY ISSUES
THAT I THINK WE WERE NOT ABLE TO
OVERCOME WITH THAT. THANK YOU.
THE CHAIR AND THE STAFF ARE
HAPPY TO ACCEPT YOUR AMENDMENT
SUGGESTIONS. AND WITH THAT
RESPECTFULLY, ASTRONAUT VOTE
HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK
YOU. SO I DO HAVE. TO SUPPORT
WITNESSES ON THE TELEPHONE.
MARIANNE HOGAN AND DEBORAH
ALLEN, ARE YOU WITH US ON THE
PHONE? OPERATOR DO WE HAVE
ANNEMARIE HOGAN OR DEBORAH
ALLEN? MR CHAIR. I'M HAPPY TO
DEFER. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S BEEN
HERE A LONG TIME, AND THEY
PROBABLY HOLD A LONG TIME TO
YEAH, I JUST IF THEY'RE HERE, I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY. AND I CAN'T HEAR
OPERATOR. I CAN'T I CANNOT HEAR
YOU IF YOU'RE APOLOGIZE. EVERY
HOGAN IS ON THE LINE. I JUST
NEED TO OPEN THEM REAL QUICK.
OKAY HENRY HOGAN. IF YOU CAN
HEAR ME, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
AND MARIE HOGAN. ARE YOU ON
MUTE? HMM. JUST ONE MOMENT
THERE'S A SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE.
I APOLOGIZE. THERE SEEMS TO BE
AN ISSUE WITH OPENING HER LINE,
OKAY?
MISS HOGAN. WERE YOU TRYING TO
SPEAK NOW? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME?
YES, WE CAN. OH, GREAT. OKAY.
THANK YOU. I'M ANNE MARIE HOGAN
. I'M THE SENIOR REPRESENTATIVE
FOR CALIFORNIA FOR THE
ASSOCIATION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT
AUDITORS, ALGA AND WE AT ALGA
SUPPORT SENATE BILL 14 88 AND
ALSO THE RECENTLY RETIRED
ELECTED CITY AUDITOR FOR
BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA. ALGA IS
THE PRIMARY PROFESSIONAL
ORGANIZATION FOR LOCAL
GOVERNMENT AUDITS, INCLUDING
TRANSIT AGENCIES AND INSPECTORS
GENERAL ACROSS THE US AND
CANADA. WE AND OUR BIGGEST
SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT
FROM ELVIS PRESIDENT BECAUSE
THIS BILL ONLINE WITH ELDERS
MODEL LEGISLATION WITH THE U. S
COMPTROLLER, GENERAL GOVERNMENT
AUDITING STANDARDS AND WITH THE
ASSOCIATION OF INSPECTORS
GENERAL GUIDANCE FOR THEIR
INVESTIGATION. WE GET OUT TO
HAVE LEARNED THROUGH THE REQUEST
FOR ASSISTANCE FROM AUDITORS ALL
OVER THE US AND CANADA OVER THE
LAST 20 YEARS THAT
UNFORTUNATELY, MANAGEMENT. AND
EVEN SOMETIMES, THE LEGISLATORS
DO ATTEMPT TO PREVENT AUDITORS
AND INSPECTORS GENERAL FROM THE
STAINING THE INFORMATION NEEDED
TO COMPLETE THEIR WORK. NO
INDEPENDENCE IS CRITICAL. THIS
THE CLARIFIED THE RESPONSIBILITY
AT BARTON, INSPECTOR GENERAL AND
MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSIBILITIES
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WILL
ENHANCE THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE
OFFICE SO THAT THAT OFFICE CAN
DO THE JOB. THE AMENDMENT BEFORE
THE COMMITTEE TODAY APPEARED TO
RESOLVE EVERY MAJOR ISSUE THAT
WE'VE SEEN THAT MARTIN
MANAGEMENT STAFF LAID OUT IN ITS
ORIGINAL MEMO ON THE BILL. UH
GOOD CAUSE COULD BE DEFINED MORE
CLEARLY AND ACCESS TO RECORDS
COULD BE STRENGTHENED. BUT THE
BILL AS ACCORDING TO THE LAST
AMENDMENT I'VE HEARD ABOUT UM,
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SUPPORT.
WE SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT
EMPLOYEES DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO
BE REPRESENTED BY THEIR UNION.
IN ANY INTERVIEW THAT COULD LEAD
TO DISCIPLINE OR OTHER ADVERSE
ACTIONS FOR THAT EMPLOYEE. WHICH
IS ENSHRINED AS YOU ALL KNOW,
AND WEINGARTEN. HOWEVER CURRENT
STATE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT
MANAGEMENT INFORMED EMPLOYEES OF
RIGHTS UNDER WEINGARTEN RULES,
SO THIS LAW WILL REQUIRE THAT
THE INSPECTOR GENERAL NOTIFIES
THE EMPLOYEES OF THE FACT THAT
IT THAT PARTICULAR PERSON
THEY'RE INTERVIEWING, UH, IS
PERHAPS IN A SITUATION THAT
COULD LEAD TO ADVERSE ACCESS
THAT THEY CAN HAVE A NEW REPS
THAT WE HAD TO BELIEVE THAT THIS
BILL STRENGTHENS THE
INDEPENDENCE OF THE BOARD
INSPECTOR GENERAL. AND PROVIDES
THE POWERS AND AUTHORITY THAT
ARE NECESSARY TO EFFECT
EFFECTIVELY CARRY OUT ITS
COMMISSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL
CONSIDERATION OF THESE
OBSERVATIONS AND THE
OBSERVATIONS IN THE LETTERS THAT
ALGA HAS SENT AND YOU CAN
CERTAINLY CONTACT ME IF YOU LIKE
WITH ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SENATOR
GLASER. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE
DEBORAH ALLEN ON THE PHONE? YES,
I AM HERE. OKAY, GO AHEAD,
PLEASE. GOOD MORNING, WHEELCHAIR
AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND
DEBORAH ALLEN, ONE OF NINE
ELECTED MEMBERS OF THE BART
BOARD OF DIRECTORS SUPPORT SB 14
88 BECAUSE IT HELPS CLARIFY THE
ROLE OF BART'S INSPECTOR
GENERAL. UNDER WIDELY ACCEPTED
INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND ALLOWS
HER TO FULFILL HER STATED
MISSION UNIMPEDED. I THINK
SENATOR BLAZER AND STAFF ARE
WORKING SO HARD TO RESOLVE THE
CONCERNS RAISED BY BARTZ,
EXECUTIVE OFFICERS AND STAFF. I
BELIEVE ALL THE CONCERNS HAVE
BEEN FAIRLY ADDRESSED THE
AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE TODAY RESOLVED EVERY
MAJOR ISSUE BART STAFF LAID OUT
IN ITS ORIGINAL MEMO ON THE BILL
. AND I GUESS AS I'M HEARING ALL
BUT ONE OF THE OTHERS THE
AMENDMENTS REQUIRE THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL TO RESPECT THE
INDEPENDENCE OF THE BART OFFICE
OF CIVIL RIGHTS AND ITS POLICE
AUDITOR. THEY REQUIRE THE I G TO
SEEK A COURT ORDER BEFORE
ENFORCING A SUBPOENA, AND THEY
REQUIRE THE IDEA TO FOLLOW
FEDERAL AND STATE LAW IN HIRING
AND PROCUREMENT AND TO HAVE THAT
ADHERENCE VERIFIED BY BART
STAFF. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE
AMENDMENTS REQUIRE THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL TO NOTIFY EMPLOYEES OF
THEIR RIGHT TO BE REPRESENTED BY
THEIR UNION. IN ANY INTERVIEW
THAT COULD LEAD TO DISCIPLINE OR
OTHER ADVERSE ACTION. AS A
FORMER AUDITOR, CPA AND CHIEF
FINANCIAL OFFICER MYSELF. I
CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH THE
IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A ROBUST
INDEPENDENT OFFICE OF INSPECTOR
GENERAL FOR A TRANSIT AGENCY
THAT SPENDS OVER $2.5 BILLION
ANNUALLY. AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO
PROVIDE ASSURANCES TO THE PUBLIC
THAT THEIR BAY AREA TRANSIT
DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT WISELY
WITH TRANSPARENCY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY. TO THE WRITERS,
WORKERS AND THE TAXPAYERS. THIS
BILL HELPS US DO JUST THAT, AND
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE HEARING
ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE
SUPPORT FOR S? B? 14 88?
ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE. OPERATOR
WOULD YOU OPEN THE LINES FOR
OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO
INDICATE SUPPORT FOR SB? 14 88.
WE WILL NOT TAKE FURTHER
TESTIMONY, BUT WE WILL TAKE
NAME, AFFILIATION AND SUPPORT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT, YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND
ZERO AT THIS TIME. AND AT THIS
TIME WE HAVE NOBODY QUEUING UP.
THANK YOU. OPERATOR WE WILL MOVE
TO, UH, POSITION. I DO NOT HAVE
ANY OPPOSITION LISTED. IS THERE
ANYONE IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION OF SB 14 88. CHAIRMAN
STONE AND MEMBERS TERRY BRENNAN
ON BEHALF OF STU, CALIFORNIA, UH
, RESPECTIVELY, REMAIN IN
OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. THE
AMENDMENTS. WELL LET ME JUST SAY
WE SUPPORT THE MISSION AND GOALS
OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AT BART
. WE SUPPORTED THE INITIAL, UM
FORMATION OF THIS AND FEEL AS
THOUGH UH IT'S A BIT OF A SWITCH
. WE SUPPORTED THAT LIMITED ROLE
AND DUTIES AND SIZE OF AN OFFICE
THAT'S NOW BEING EXPANDED BOTH
IN SCOPE, POWERS AND DUTIES.
WITHOUT CONSULTATION OR
NEGOTIATION WITH THE EFFECTED
LABOR UNIONS, AND WE STILL
REMAIN OPPOSED TO IT. THE FACT
THAT WE'VE AMENDED NINE OUT OF
THE 10 AREAS DOES THAT MEAN?
WE'VE IMPROVED THE BILLS? A
MATTER OF FACT, MY FOLKS FEEL AS
THOUGH THIS IS A WORSE VERSION
OF THE BILL THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
FOR THAT REASON, WE REMAIN
OPPOSED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE IN THE HEARING ROOM?
SEEING NONE. OPERATOR WOULD YOU
OPEN THE LINES FOR ANYONE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE
OPPOSITION TO SB? 14 88? IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
YOU CAN PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH WINE.
35, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HELLO MY
NAME IS HARRIET RICHARDSON.
INSPECTOR GENERAL PART AND I
APOLOGIZE BY CONNECTION DIDN'T
GET THROUGH TO OBVIOUSLY TO BE
SUPPORT, BUT I AM IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL, INCLUDING THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AS STATED
IN THE ASSEMBLY JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE'S ANALYSIS. THANK YOU.
AND NEXT LINE WILL BE TO 92.
PLEASE GO AHEAD. HI MY NAME IS
CHRISTINEADAMS WEINBERGER. I'M
JUAN BERG AND THE AUDITOR ELECT
FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY. OREGON UM
, I WAS HAVING SOME CONNECTION
PROBLEMS WHEN SUPPORT CAME UP,
BUT I WANT TO BASICALLY BUT THE
COMMITTEE? NO, I FULLY SUPPORT
THIS BILL. THANK YOU. NEXT COMES
FROM LINE 36, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
YES THANK YOU. AMANDA CRUZ,
LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS MANAGER FOR
BART. THE DISTRICT HAS BEEN
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED POSITION
ON THIS BILL. WE WANT TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE FOR WORKING WITH
SENATOR GLACIER ON THE SET OF
AMENDMENTS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE
TODAY. BUT ALSO FOR
ACKNOWLEDGING THE REMAINING
ISSUES THAT ARE BEFORE THE
DISTRICT AND OUR LABOR PARTNER.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS
LINE 58, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JEFFY
HUNT, REPRESENTING AN AUTOMATED
TRANSIT UNION, LOCAL 15 55, R
WORKERS AND OPPOSITION. THE NEXT
IN LINE IS LINE THREE. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. JOHN ORONTES
BAR CHAPTER PRESIDENT
REPRESENTING STU 10 21 IN STRONG
OPPOSITION TO SB 14 88. AT THIS
TIME WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE IN QUÊ.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OPERATOR
YOU MAY CLOSE THE LINES. I'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MS
REYES. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
CLEARLY WE ALL WANT OUR PUBLIC
AGENCIES TO BE ACCOUNTABLE AND
TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC. AND
SENATOR. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN
COMMITTED TO THIS, AND I
APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE
AMENDMENTS THAT ADDRESS SOME OF
THE CONCERNS FROM THE
OPPOSITION. IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR EMPLOYEES TO BE
ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE UNION
REPRESENTATIVES WHEN THEY ARE
HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THEIR
EMPLOYER OR AN OVERSIGHT ENTITY.
I WANT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WORKERS ARE PROTECTED AND
THAT ACCOUNTABILITY WORKS BOTH
WAYS FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND FOR
THE EMPLOYER. I UNDERSTAND THERE
IS STILL SOME OUTSTANDING
ISSUES, AND I THAT'S BEEN
CONFIRMED NOW WITH THE
OPPOSITION. AND I WOULD URGE YOU
TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE
LABOR GROUPS TO COME TO A
COMPROMISE. I KNOW THAT FROM
HERE IT GOES TO APPROPRIATIONS.
THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY. I
WILL SUPPORT IT AT THIS POINT.
UM BUT RESERVE MY RIGHT TO AH,
ON THE FLOOR TO SEE WHAT HAS
HAPPENED SINCE THEN. BUT AGAIN,
I DO URGE YOU TO WORK WITH THE
LABOR GROUPS. THAT IS A BIG
ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE AND CAN BE
RESOLVED. THANK YOU, SENATOR.
THANK YOU. OTHERS. ALRIGHT
SEEING NONE. SENATOR HEMA CLOSE
THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION.
AH! WE'RE TRYING TO CONFORM THIS
BILL WITH GOOD AUDITING
STANDARDS IN OUR STATE AND
COUNTRY. WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO
INVEST IN OUR TRANSIT SYSTEMS
AND WE TELL THEM WE WANT TO HAVE
APPROPRIATE OVERSIGHT. AND THIS
TRIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
ARE WORDS MATCH OUR DEEDS IN
THAT REGARD, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY
REMAINING ISSUE IS IF YOU HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO'S A WHISTLEBLOWER,
HIS SEE SOME FRAUD OR SOME
PROBLEMS. THAT THEIR ABILITY TO
TALK WITH THE INSPECTOR GENERAL
AND MAINTAIN THEIR PRIVACY
RIGHTS AS THE ONLY REMAINING
HURDLE HERE. WE'VE ACCEPTED THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS
ESTABLISHING THE WEINGARTEN
RIGHTS. THAT ASSURES THAT THAT
EMPLOYEES ARE NOTIFIED. BUT
INSPECTOR GENERALS ARE NOT
PERSONNEL OFFICES OR NOT INTO
GOING AFTER INDIVIDUALS THERE
ENTERED THE BROADER QUESTIONS OF
WASTE AND FRAUD AND ABUSE. SO I
I'M SENSITIVE TO THE CONCERN
THAT'S BEEN RAISED. WE'RE
CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE
UNION THAT'S STILL NOT HAPPY
WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE.
PERCEPTIVELY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT TODAY FOR A BILL THAT UH
, ELAINE, HOW WORKED ON WITH US
TO TRY TO CREATE THE STANDARDS
JUST CREATING STANDARDS THAT
WE'RE ALL GOING TO FOLLOW? JUST
AS LIKE WE HAVE THE SAME
STANDARDS FOR CALTRANS AND OTHER
INSPECTOR GENERAL'S THAT
RESPECTFULLY ASTRONAUT VOTE.
THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A MOTION
AND A SECOND. THAT MOTION IS DUE
PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. CALL THE ROLL,
PLEASE. CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM. I
BLOOM. BLEW MY DAVIES DAVIES, I
HANEY PENNY I CHOLERA, KYLIE.
KYLIE I MAIENSCHEIN MAIENSCHEIN
I RAISE RAISE I RIVAS RIVAS HIGH. THANK YOU FOR THAT BILL IS OUT
. ALRIGHT MEMBERS, LET'S GO BACK
THROUGH THE AGENDA TWO. THERE
ARE STILL SOME BILLS ON CALL AND
OPPORTUNITIES TO GET OTHER
VOTES, SO WE'LL START WITH
CONSENT AGENDA. CUNNINGHAM
CUNNINGHAM, I, HANEY HANEY. I
MAIENSCHEIN MAIENSCHEIN. AYE.
REYES REYES, I THANK YOU. SO
ITEM NUMBER ONE. I THINK WE HAD
EVERYBODY ON ITEM NUMBER TWO IS
SB. 10 76 BY ARCHULETTA CALL THE
ABSENT MEMBERS MAIENSCHEIN
MAIENSCHEIN. AYE, REYES REYES.
AYE CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM,
HAMLET. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS SB
11 55 CAVALLERO CALLED THE
ABSENT MEMBERS CUNNINGHAM
CUNNINGHAM. I MAIENSCHEIN
MAIENSCHEIN I RAISE RAISE I
NUMBER FOUR IS SB 1100 CORTEZ.
CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM. NO
MAIENSCHEIN MAIENSCHEIN, AYE.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS ON CALL.
THIS IS SP 12 62 ROWS, SO I'M
GOING TO LIFT THE CALL
CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM? NO.
MAIENSCHEIN MAIENSCHEIN. I RAISE
RATES SIDE THANK YOU. THAT BILL
IS OUT. NUMBER SIX IS ON CALL SB
10 17 EGGMAN. I'M GOING TO LIFT
THE CALL. CUNNINGHAM.
MAIENSCHEIN MAIENSCHEIN I REST
RARE SIDE. THANK YOU. THAT BILL
IS OUT. NUMBER SEVEN IS ALSO ON
CALL. I'M GOING TO LIFT THE
CALL. THIS IS SB 13 11 EGGMAN.
CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM? AYE.
MAIENSCHEIN MAIENSCHEIN IRIS
REYES. I THANK YOU. THAT BILL IS
OUT. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. WE JUST
DID. SO I THINK WE'RE MISSING MR
. CHOLERA ITEM NUMBER NINE SP 13
87 CALL THE OPPOSITE MEMBERS.
CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM. NO
MAIENSCHEIN MAIENSCHEIN. I RAISE
RATES. AYE. THANK YOU, ADAM.
NUMBERS 10 SP 2 60 WIENER IS ON
CALL. I'M GONNA LIFT THE CALL
CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM? NO
MAIENSCHEIN. RACE. THANK YOU.
THAT BILL IS OUT. OKAY THANK YOU
. WE JUST HAVE MR KALRA FOR A
COUPLE MORE. SO THANK YOU, ALL
MEMBERS. DOUBLE CHECK.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL AND
WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED.