ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING,
EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THE
ASSEMBLY PRIVACY AND CONSUMER
PROTECTION COMMITTEE FOR THIS
HEARING, AND UNTIL FURTHER
NOTICE, THE COMMITTEE WILL BE
RETURNING TO IN PERSON TESTIMONY
ONLY AS REFLECTED IN THE FINAL
NOTICE. WELL WE ONLY HAVE TWO
BILLS BEFORE US TODAY. I'LL NOTE
THAT THE ASSEMBLY HAS
EXPERIENCED A NUMBER OF
DISRUPTIONS TO COMMITTEE AND
FOUR PROCEEDINGS IN THE LAST FEW
YEARS. CONDUCT THAT DISRUPTS,
DISTURBS OR OTHERWISE IMPEDE THE
ORDERLY CONDUCT OF THE HEARING
IS PROHIBITED. SUCH CONDUCT MAY
INCLUDE TALKING OR MAKING LOUD
NOISES FROM THE
UTTERING LOUD THREATENING OR
ABUSIVE LANGUAGE SPEAKING LONGER
THAN THE TIME ALLOTTED. IF AN
INDIVIDUAL DISRUPTS OUR HEARING
PROCESS, I WILL DIRECT THEM TO
STOP AND WARN THEM THAT
CONTINUED DISRUPTIONS MAY RESULT
IN REMOVAL FROM THE CAPITOL
BUILDING ONCE A DOCUMENT ON THE
RECORD THE INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED
IN THE NATURE OF DISRUPTIVE
CONTACT. I'M A TEMPORARY RECESS.
THE HEARING. THE CONDUCT DOES
NOT STOP OUR CREST THE
ASSISTANCE OF THE SERGEANTS AND
ESCORTING THE INDIVIDUAL FROM
THE CAPITOL BUILDING. WITH THAT
ARE REQUIRED. DISCLOSURES ARE
DONE. WE CAN NOW TURN TO THE
ITEMS BEFORE US TODAY. WE HAVE
TWO ITEMS BY MR HERTZBERG. MR.
HERTZBERG, YOU MAY BEGIN. MR
SHERMAN. PLEASURE BEING HERE.
FIRST I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENTS THAT YOU SUGGESTED.
AND CAN WE JUST CLARIFY? YOU'RE
GOING FIRST TO SB 638? IS THAT
OKAY? YES NUMBER 1638 AND 786.
BUT BUT THE WHAT. YOU KNOW, AS
WE ARE ENGAGED AS LAWMAKERS. AH,
THE FUTURE CHANGES WHAT WE DO.
NO ONE KNEW IT. SOCIAL MEDIA WAS
SOME YEARS AGO. I REMEMBER
DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT WE MOVE
AWAY FROM WEDDING TO FAX
ACCEPTED ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS.
THE DARK, THE LARGE CHANGES IN
CHANGES AND CHANGES AS WE MARCH
FORWARD WITH PROGRESS, AND AS
OLIVER WENDELL HOLMES SAID IN
THE IN THE COMMON LAW, THE LIFE
OF THE LAW HAS NOT BEEN LOGICAL
HAS BEEN EXPERIENCED. AND THE
EXPERIENCES THAT WE NOW HAVE
THIS DEFINITION OF SOCIAL MEDIA
, AND WE'RE TRYING TO UPDATE
THAT FOR PURPOSES OF THE CODE
WITH THAT. I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOU. I VOTED. I AIN'T GOT NO
WITNESSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR HERTZBERG, UH, WITH THAT,
WE'LL SEE. IS THERE ANYONE IN
THE HEARING ROOM THAT WOULD LIKE
TO COME FORWARD AND SUPPORT OF
SB 638? SEEING NONE. OR IS THERE
ANY Ó OKAY. SORRY. OH, WOW.
THERE JAMIE. MINOR SORRY TO BE
LATE ON BEHALF OF THE BLOCKCHAIN
ADVOCACY COALITION. UM DIFFERENT
PILLS. OH, SORRY. MHM. THANK
YOU. OKAY UH, LAST AND FINAL
CALL FOR WITNESSES AND SUPPORT.
HOW ABOUT WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? OKAY, SEEING NONE
WILL BRING IT BACK TO MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. SEEING NONE. MR
HERTZBERG, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE THE THAT YOUR WORK
AND YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS AND YOUR
APPROACH? UM YOU KNOW, SOCIAL
MEDIA IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR
US TO BE THINKING ABOUT POLICE
TO SUPPORT YOUR BILL TODAY. WITH
THAT I WOULD INVITE YOU TO CLOSE
THANK YOU RESPECT THE ASPIRIN. I
VOTE. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR A QUORUM. SO
THIS WILL BE A INVITATION FOR
ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
PRIVACY AND CONSUMER PROTECTION
COMMITTEE, AND PARTICULARLY THE
STAFF THAT I'M SURE ARE TUNING
IN ON ONLINE TO HAVE YOUR
MEMBERS JOIN US IN THE STATE
CAPITAL. ALRIGHT MOVING ON TO
THE SECOND ITEM ON OUR FILE, MR.
HERTZBERG THIS IS SENATE BILL 7
86 FILE. REMEMBER TO THANK YOU.
CONSISTENT WITH MY STATEMENT
WITH RESPECT TO THE PRIOR
MEASURE. ONE OF THE JOBS THAT WE
HAVE, AND PARTICULARLY THIS
COMMITTEE, THERE WAS NO SUCH
COMMITTEE THAT EXISTS IN THE
LEGISLATURE DEALING.
AND THE WHEN I SERVED AS
MAJORITY LEADER IN THE FORMER
MAJORITY LEADER OF THIS HOUSE,
WORK TOGETHER, WORKING ON
BLOCKCHAIN BILL, AND THERE WAS
LINDA GESTION BY THIS
ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THE NATURE
OF THIS LEGISLATIVE BRANCHES IS
QUITE CHALLENGING IN TERMS OF
CHANGE. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE
COLLECTIVELY, PROBABLY IAN
CALLING RIGHT NOW. NO, THANK
YOU. SORRY. AND SO WE
COLLECTIVELY CAN'T DID A BILL
WHERE WE CAME UP WITH A STUDY
GROUP BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS LET'S
FIND OUT WHAT THAT STUDY THIS
STUFF. AND SO WE WENT WITH AT
BERKELEY. IAN AND I WENT TO
BERKELEY. WE PARTICIPATED WITH A
BUNCH OF BRAINIACS. IN TERMS OF
IT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WERE
DOING HERE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
. AND CAME UP WITH SUGGESTIONS.
THE BILL THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE
YOU IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I
INVENTED MYSELF. IT IS SOMETHING
THAT CAME AS A RESULT OF THIS
GROUP. NOW I THINK I WANT TO
SHARE WITH YOU IS AS WE GET OUT
THERE AND LOVE TO BRAG ABOUT HOW
WE'RE EXCEPTIONAL IN CALIFORNIA
. WYOMING IS AHEAD OF US.
ESTONIA IS AHEAD OF US. COLORADO
IS AHEAD OF US. AND THE ARGUMENT
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S
THESE THINGS CAN BE FALSIFIED.
IT'S EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE
ARGUMENT. THE WHOLE THEORY
BEHIND BLOCKCHAIN IS THAT THESE
DOCUMENTS ARE STAMPED IN A WAY
THAT YOU CAN'TFALSIFY A BIRTH
CERTIFICATE OR A DEATH
CERTIFICATE. I HELP I DID A BILL
A FEW YEARS AGO ON BLOCKCHAIN
THAT DEALT WITH THE ABILITY TO
HAVE A REGISTER FOR YOUR
CORPORATION. WHY BECAUSE PEOPLE
WOULD GO TO A BANK PHONY
OPPOSITE RESOLUTION AND CREATE A
SEPARATE ACCOUNT TO STEAL MONEY
. WE SAW $1.3 MILLION BEING
STOLEN FROM AN ACCOUNT IN SAN
FRANCISCO SOME YEARS AGO. SO WE
NEED TO MARCH FORWARD TO THE
FUTURE. AND SO YOU KNOW, MY VIEW
IS I WANTED TO DO RESIDENT I
MEAN, UH, LAND ISSUES. TITLE
COMPANIES MAKE A TON OF MONEY.
FOR RIGHT ENTITLED POLICIES TO
DO NOTHING. I MET WITH THE PRIME
MINISTER OF VANUATU, OKAY? I
DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS
RAVENNA WAT TWO IS BUT I DID
THEY HAVE AN ENTIRE BLOCKCHAIN
SYSTEM FOR ALL OF THEIR LAND
TRANSACTIONS BECAUSE IT IS THE
MOST SECURE THING THERE, BUT WE
HAVE A SITUATION. WE HAVE A
WHOLE INDUSTRY THAT IT'S HARD TO
ROLL RIGHT. IT'S LIKE TRYING TO
ROLL BLOCKBUSTER BECAUSE PEOPLE
DON'T USE VIDEOTAPES ANYMORE, OR
WHATEVER ELSE IT MAY BE. THERE'S
A MARCH FORWARD AND THIS IS A
VERY SMALL STEP INFORMED BY A
VERY SMART GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO
TOOK THE TIME AND THIS IS THEIR
RECOMMENDATION, AND IT LITERALLY
IS JUST DISTRIBUTED COPIES OF
BIRTH CERTIFICATES, DEATH
CERTIFICATES AND MERITS OF
CERTIFICATES. IT IS A VERY SMALL
STEP IN AN AREA WHERE AROUND THE
GLOBE PEOPLE ARE TAKING GIANT
STEPS. I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR.
UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE SOME
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT SO WE WILL
TURN TO PRIMARY WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. HELLO I AM
DONNA JOHNSTON. I AM THE SUTTER
COUNTY CLERK RECORDER AND
REGISTRAR OF VOTERS AND PAST
PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTY
RECORDER'S ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT
THIS BILL. WE HAVEN'T WANTING TO
GET AWAY FROM DOING THINGS IN
THE DARK AGES, SUCH AS BY FACTS,
UM, AND BY MAIL. TYPICALLY MOST
OF OUR CUSTOMERS THAT COME IN TO
REQUEST THESE VITAL RECORDS ARE
REQUESTING THEM NOT OVER THE
COUNTER BUT THROUGH THE MAIL,
AND THEY MAY BE FAXING A REQUEST
IN AND MAKING PAYMENT THAT WAY.
THAT COULD TAKE UP TO THREE
WEEKS TO GET THAT RECORD BACK TO
THAT PERSON. THEY MAY NEED IT
FOR VARIOUS PURPOSES AS YOU'RE
AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE
SIGNING UP THEIR CHILD FOR
LITTLE LEAGUE. MAYBE THERE,
MAYBE THEY COULD BE EVEN STRUCK
ON A CRUISE LINE AND NEED THAT
RECORD IMMEDIATELY. TO GET BACK
INTO THE COUNTRY. THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF REASONS THAT THEY NEED
THESE VETERANS BENEFITS DEATH
BENEFITS THINGS LIKE THAT THAT
THESE RECORDS ARE ARE NEEDED IN
A MUCH QUICKER FASHION THAN THEY
ARE. AH CURRENTLY BEING
DELIVERED TO OUR CUSTOMERS. WE
BELIEVE IN THIS TECHNOLOGY. WE
HAVE SEEN IT WORK SUCCESSFULLY
AND WASH ALL COUNTY. WE'VE BEEN
WATCHING WASHINGTON COUNTY FOR A
NUMBER OF YEARS. THEY'VE ISSUED
ORDERS OVER 4500 CERTIFICATES.
NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER WITH THE
AUTHENTICITY OF THE RECORD AND
HAVING THAT RECORD VALIDATED SO
WE WOULD ENCOURAGE AND I VOTE ON
THIS. GOOD MORNING, JAMIE MINOR
ON BEHALF OF THE BLOCKCHAIN
ADVOCACY COALITION, ALSO IN
SUPPORT AND HAVE LOVED WORKING
ON THE SENATOR WITH ON THIS
ISSUE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW,
UM, USING BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY
TO ISSUE VITAL RECORDS IS A
SAFE, EFFICIENT WAY TO ALLOW THE
GOVERNMENT TO BETTER SERVE
COMMUNITIES. IT'S NOT A NOVEL
IDEA, AS THE PREVIOUS WITNESS
EXPRESSED WASHOE COUNTY, NEVADA
HAS BEEN USING THIS TECHNOLOGY
OR WASHOE COUNTY, NEVADA. UM
THEY'VE BEEN USING THIS
TECHNOLOGY FOR MARRIAGE
CERTIFICATES FOR THE PAST
SEVERAL YEARS. ILLINOIS HAS A
SIMILAR PROJECT FOR BIRTH
CERTIFICATES. UM THE COUNTY OF
RIVERSIDE JUST LAUNCHED A
PROGRAM ALLOWING, UM
CONSTITUENTS TO PICK AND CHOOSE
WHICH WHICH RECORDS THEY WANT
DIGITALLY INSTEAD OF WASTING
PAPER. CANADA USES BLOCKCHAIN
AND VERIFIABLE CREDENTIALS
TECHNOLOGY TO ISSUE BUSINESS
LICENSES, SO MANY JURISDICTIONS
ACROSS THE GLOBE ARE USING
BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY AS A
SECURE WAY TO HANDLE SENSITIVE
RECORDS. UM THE SENATOR
MENTIONED THE BLOCKCHAIN WORKING
GROUP. THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC
IN THIS USE CASE, SAYING THAT
THE STATE SHOULD YOU CONSIDER
USING BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY TO
CREATE AND VERIFIED TAMPER
RESISTANT DIGITAL CERTIFICATES
OF GOVERNMENT ISSUED DOCUMENTS.
SO FOR THESE REASONS, WE THINK
NOW IS THE TIME FOR CALIFORNIA
TO RECLAIM OUR INNOVATIVE TITLE
AND MOVE FORWARD AND SUPPORTING
SB 7 86. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE
IN THE HEARING ROOM IN SUPPORT
OF SB 7 86. SEEING NONE. I DON'T
BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ANY PRIMARY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. I
DON'T SEE ANY OPPOSITION ON FILE
. BUT IS THERE ANYONE IN THE
ROOM IN OPPOSITION TO SB 7 86?
OKAY SEE NONE. WE WILL BRING IT
BACK TO, UM, MY FAVORITE MEMBER
OF THE COMMITTEE AT THE CURRENT
MOMENT, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, UM MUST. ANYBODY ELSE
HAS COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I'LL
SAY, SENATOR. THANK YOU, UM YOU
KNOW, BLACK CHAINS EXTREMELY
EXTREMELY PROMISING TECHNOLOGY.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN AT THE
FOREFRONT OF EXPLORING HOW WE
MIGHT LEVERAGE IT TO BENEFIT THE
PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. AND I KNOW THAT THE
BLOCKCHAIN WORKING GROUP HAS
DONE A LOT OF GOOD THINKING
ABOUT THIS ISSUE. THIS IS A
DIRECT RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM.
APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH MY
STAFF. JUST ADD SOME
CLARIFICATION THAT WHEN WE DO DO
THIS, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT
WE'RE BEING AS MINDFUL AS WE CAN
ABOUT PREVENTING FRAUD OBVIOUSLY
WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
PROTECT FOLKS, AND SO I JUST
WANT TO CLARIFY THAT YOU'RE
BEING GOING TO ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENTS IN THE ANALYSIS. YEAH
WE MAKE ACCEPTING AMENDMENTS
ANALYSIS. I DIDN'T SEE THIS AND
I THINK YEAH, OKAY. I HOPE I'M
RIGHT. THEY'RE GOOD. YOU'RE
GOING TO LIKE THEM. UM I HOPE
SO. YOU WILL. I PROMISE. I
PROMISE. UM SO, UH, WITH THAT,
HAPPY TO HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE
BILL TODAY AND YOU MAKE LOVES
THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE
PROPS TO DONNA JOHNSON FROM
SUTTER COUNTY. CENTER COUNTY IS
A POPULATION. I JUST CHECKED IT
ON GOOGLE OF 96,315 PEOPLE. 3
96,050 PEOPLE THAT'S PROBABLY
THE SIZE OF ENCINO. I WOULD
SUSPECT WITH RESPECT TO THE
COMMUNITIES THAT YOU REPRESENT.
CERTAINLY NO, IT'S SMALLER THAN
VAN EYES. UH BUT YET TO SEE
FOLKS WHO ARE AT THE CUTTING
EDGE OF THIS STUFF AND WHO
RECOGNIZE THE FUTURE. THIS IS
HOW THE FUTURE'S INVENTED YOU GO
READ THE STORIES ABOUT THE
FIGHTS BETWEEN THE TELEGRAPH
COMPANIES IN THE TELEPHONE
COMPANIES. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO
CHANGE THE SYSTEM. SOMEBODY'S
GOT TO SEE A WAY TO THE FUTURE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
GLOBALLY WE'VE SEEN ALL OVER THE
PLACE, AND I JUST THINK IT'S A
LITTLE EMBARRASSING THAT WERE
SLOW AS WE ARE IN CALIFORNIA,
BUT THIS IS ONE SMALL STEP FOR
CALIFORNIA AND ONE GIANT LEAP
FOR TECHNOLOGY. I ASK FOR YOUR
VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
SENATOR ARMSTRONG. UM YEAH, I
THINK THAT'S SLIGHTLY LARGER
THAN ENCINO AND VANNA TO, UM BUT
APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING US ON THE
FOREFRONT OF INNOVATION. THANK
YOU, AND WE ESTABLISHED A
QUORUM. WE WILL VOTE ON THE
BILL.
OR OH, GOODBYE.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
SLIGHTLY BACKWARDS TODAY. LET'S
ESTABLISH QUORUM, MADAM
SECRETARY. GABRIEL PRESENT.
KYLIE. PARA QUE HAN BENNETT.
CUNNINGHAM. PHÊN IRWIN. BALLAD
AIRES, WICKS WILSON. OKAY
WONDERFUL. SO WE HAVE A QUORUM.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL ROLL ON
FILE ITEM NUMBER ONE SB 638
HERTZBERG. I DO NEED A MOTION.
THANK YOU, MADAM. UH, DIRECT CAN
ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OKAY THANK
YOU. REMEMBER BAUER-KAHAN WITH
EMOTION. SOMEONE WERE FOUND WITH
A SECOND MADAM SECRETARY. MOTION
IS DUE PASS. GABRIEL GABRIEL I
KYLIE BARRICADE. HAN BARICAN.
AYE, BENNETT BENNETT. I
CUNNINGHAM PHÊN. STRONG I IRWIN
IRWIN. I VALID AIRES. WICKS
WILSON. WILSON. I. THAT BILL IS
OUT THIS POINT. I'M WILLING TO
ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON FILE ITEM
IN IN NUMBER TWO SB 7 86 BY WE
HAVE A MOTION BY SOME MEMBER OF
BAUER-KAHAN. SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WILSON, MADAM
SECRETARY. MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
GABRIEL GABRIEL I KYLIE
BARRICADE HAN THE HURRICANE I.
BENNETT BENNETT. I CUNNINGHAM
PH SONG I, IRWIN IRWIN, I
VALID ARIES WICKS WILSON.
WILSON. I. OKAY THAT BILL IS
ALSO OUT. WE WILL LEAVE THE
ROLE. WE WILL LEAVE THE RAW OPEN
FOR JUST A FEW MOMENTS FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS TO ADD ON. THANK
YOU.
ALRIGHT MADAM SECRETARY, CAN WE
OPEN THE ROLL ON FILE ITEM
NUMBER ONE KYLIE. KHN SORRY.
OKAY SB 6. 38 MOTION IS DUE
PASS, KYLIE. CUNNINGHAM VALID
AIRES. WIX WIX AYE. THAT BILL IS
OUT. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND
OPEN THE ROLL ON FILE ITEM
NUMBER TWO, MADAM SECRETARY. SB
7 86 MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS CAYLEE. CUNNINGHAM VALID AIRES. WIX
WIX AYE.
ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO OPEN
THE ROLL ON FILE ITEM NUMBER
ONE, MADAM SECRETARY. SB 6 38
MOTION IS DUE PASS, KYLIE.
CUNNINGHAM VALID. ARIE'S
PALADARES? AYE. AND WE ARE NOW
GOING TO OPEN THE ROLL ON FILE
ITEM NUMBER TWO SECRETARY SP 7
86 MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED
TO APPROPRIATIONS CAYLEE.
CUNNINGHAM VALID AIRES
BALLADARES. AYE.
ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO OPEN
THE ROLL ON FILE ITEM ONE. MADAM
SECRETARY. SP 6 38 MOTION IS DUE
PASS, KYLIE. KYLIE, NOT VOTING.
QUICK OR I'M SORRY, CUNNINGHAM.
THAT BILL IS OUT 80. NOW GOING
TO OPEN THE ROLL ON FILE ITEM
NUMBER TWO, MADAM SECRETARY. SB
7 86 MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS KYLIE
KYLIE, I CUNNINGHAM. AND THAT
BILL IS OUT. 90 THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. EVERYBODY WITH THAT. I
WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF. THE
COMMITTEE CONSULTANTS ON BOTH
SIDES. THE SERGEANT'S, UM, THE
SECRETARY. EVERYBODY HELP
FACILITATE THIS HEARING. AND
WITH THAT THE HEARING IS
ADJOURNED.