GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO
TODAY'S HEARING ON
ACCOUNTABILITY AND
ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BEFORE WE
JUMP INTO THE HEARING WILL JUST
MAKE A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING
ANNOUNCEMENTS. AT FIRST TO
ENSURE THAT MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA
AND PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS TO OUR
PROCEEDINGS. TODAY THIS HEARING-WILL BE STREAMED ON THE
ASSEMBLY'S WEBSITE AND MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE
TESTIMONY IN PERSON HERE IN ROOM
4 37. TO PRESERVE THE SAFETY OF
EVERYONE HERE AND TO ENSURE THE
PUBLIC'S ACCESS TO THE
DISCUSSION. PLEASE FOLLOW THE
DIRECTION OF OUR SERGEANTS IF
ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IN THE
ROOM WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON
THE BILL. I WILL ASK YOU TO
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME WHEN THE
RELEVANT BILL IS BEING PRESENTED
. PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL WITNESS
TESTIMONY FOR THIS HEARING WILL
BE IN PERSON. THERE WILL BE NO
PHONE TESTIMONY AVAILABLE FOR
THIS HEARING. LASTLY I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE ASSEMBLY
HAS EXPERIENCED SEVERAL
DISRUPTIONS TO COMMITTEE AND
FLOOR PROCEEDINGS IN THE LAST
FEW YEARS. WE WANT TO ENSURE
THAT ALL VOICES ARE HEARD,
HOWEVER, CONDUCT THAT DISRUPTS,
DISTURBS OR OTHERWISE IMPEDES
THE ORDERLY CONDUCT OF TODAY'S
HEARING. IS PROHIBITED. I THANK
YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR
COOPERATION. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE
A QUORUM, SO WE WILL GO AHEAD
AND PROCEED AS A SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, LET'S SEE, WE ARE GOING TO
GO TO FILE ITEM NUMBER TWO SB
911. WHICH IS AUTHORED BY
SENATOR GLASER, SENATOR GLASER
IS UNFORTUNATELY OUT SICK. SO WE
ARE BEING JOINED BY SENATOR
GLASER'S CHIEF OF STAFF. UM. DAN
WEINTRAUB, WHO WILL BE
PRESENTING ON THE SENATOR'S
BEHALF. GOOD MORNING. QUÊ.
IN THIS TOPIC AND THIS BILL. MY
ENTIRE ADULT LIFE BEFORE I CAME
TO WORK IN THE LEGISLATURE FIVE
YEARS AGO, WAS DEDICATED TO
JOURNALISM. AS A 12 YEAR OLD BOY
IN THE SUMMER OF 1973. I WAS
FASCINATED WITH THE WATERGATE
SCANDAL AND THE ROLE THAT
JOURNALISTS IN A PRE SOCIETY
COULD PLAY BY SPEAKING TRUTH TO
POWER. THE NEXT YEAR IN JUNIOR
HIGH, I JOINED THE SCHOOL
NEWSPAPER. AND I WAS LATER AN
EDITOR FROM MY HIGH SCHOOL AND
COLLEGE PAPERS AND THEN SPENT
MORE THAN 30 YEARS AS A
PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST COVERING
PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND PUBLIC POLICY
FOR NEWSPAPERS FROM SAN DIEGO TO
SACRAMENTO. AND BEYOND. SO
JOURNALISM AND THE FIRST
AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS IT ENJOYS
HAVE TO FIND MY LIFE. AND IN MY
VIEW NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT
TO THE SURVIVAL OF OUR DEMOCRACY
THAN A FREE PRESS. AND THAT IS
WHAT THIS BILL IS ALL ABOUT. WE
DIDN'T REQUEST THE NUMBER THAT
WAS GIVEN TO THIS MEASURE, BUT
IT TURNED OUT TO BE A VERY APT
COINCIDENCE, BECAUSE SP 911
RESPONDS TO AN EMERGENCY. THE
INTERNET HAS DEVASTATED THE ONCE
THRIVING PROFESSION OF
JOURNALISM, CREATING GAPS THAT
HAVE BEEN FILLED BY THOSE WHOSE
GOAL IS NOT TO INFORM, BUT TO
MISLEAD THE PUBLIC. NATIONALLY
OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS, MORE
THAN 2100 NEWSPAPERS HAVE
FAILED. ALMOST A QUARTER OF THE
9000 NEWSPAPERS THAT EXISTED AT
THE DAWN OF THIS CENTURY HAVE
DISAPPEARED. CALIFORNIA'S
EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN JUST AS BAD.
WE HAVE SEEN A 24% DECLINE IN
NEWSPAPERS AND A 50% DROP IN
CIRCULATION DURING THAT SAME
PERIOD. INTO THAT VACUUM HAS
RUSHED PURVEYORS OF
MISINFORMATION AND CONSPIRACY
THEORIES SPREAD BY FAKE NEWS
OUTLETS WHOSE PRODUCT IS FED TO
PEOPLE AT WEBSITES LIKE GOOGLE
AND FACEBOOK AND TWITTER. WE'VE
SEEN THE RESULTS IN THE LIES
SPREAD AND BELIEVED ABOUT OUR
RECENT ELECTIONS ABOUT PUBLIC
HEALTH AND OTHER MATTERS CRUCIAL
TO OUR FUTURE. THIS BILL WOULD
BEGIN TO ADDRESS THAT CRISIS BY
PROVIDING GRANTS TO LOCAL MEDIA
ORGANIZATIONS AND JOURNALISTS TO
SUPPORT COVERAGE OF LOCAL PUBLIC
AND CIVIC AFFAIRS. THE GRANTS
WILL BE DIRECTED TO PLACES WHERE
CREDIBLE NEWS COVERAGE IS SCARCE
INTO COMMUNITIES THAT
TRADITIONAL MEDIA HAVE LONG
IGNORED. AT LEAST 1/4 OF THE
GRANT MONEY WOULD BE SET ASIDE
FOR ETHNIC MEDIA AND 1/4 FOR
MEDIA SERVING SMALL COMMUNITIES
THAT WOULD BE THE FLOOR THEY
COULD RECEIVE MORE SOME MIGHT
QUESTION WHETHER FUNDING THE
MEDIA IS THE PROPER ROLE FOR
GOVERNMENT. BUT NOTHING IS MORE
IMPORTANT THAN PROTECTING OUR
DEMOCRACY. AND THIS BILL HAS
GUARDRAILS BUILT IN TO PROTECT
GRANTEES FROM BEING COERCED. BY
THE GOVERNMENT OR POLITICIANS.
SO THIS MAY BE A NEW APPROACH
FOR CALIFORNIA. BUT IT'S NOT AN
ENTIRELY NEW IDEA. THIS COUNTRY
HAS LONG BENEFITED FROM THE NEWS
COVERAGE OF PUBLIC TELEVISION
AND NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO, BOTH
OF WHICH GET FUNDING FROM THE
GOVERNMENT. BUT STILL REMAIN
FREE TO COVER THE NEWS WITHOUT
FEAR OR FAVOR. HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. WE PROVIDE MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS IN GRANTS TO ARTISTS
AND MUSEUMS EVERY YEAR WITHOUT
LIMITING THEIR RIGHT TO FREE
EXPRESSION. AND IN ENGLAND AND
CANADA. THE BBC AND THE CBC, OUR
BELOVED, RESPECTED AND FREE THE
CBC HAS THOUSANDS OF JOURNALISTS
FUNDED BY THE GOVERNMENT
COVERING A COUNTRY WITH A
POPULATION NOT MUCH DIFFERENT
FROM THE SIZE OF CALIFORNIA.
MEMBERS JAMES MADISON, THE
AUTHOR OF OUR FIRST AMENDMENT,
CALLED THE FREE PRESS ONE OF THE
GREAT BULWARKS OF LIBERTY. HE
WAS RIGHT. BUT TRAGICALLY, THAT
BULWARK IS NOW CRUMBLING. AND AS
IT DOES OUR DEMOCRACY HAS PUT IN
PERIL. WE MUST DO EVERYTHING WE
CAN TO BUTTRESS BOTH. THAT'S
WHAT SB 9112 WOULD DO. WE
DEVELOPED THIS BILL AND
COLLABORATION WITH CALIFORNIA
COMMON CAUSE, THE LATINO MEDIA,
COLLABORATIVE AND NEWS
ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE STATE.
WE WORKED WITH MEDIA GUILD WEST
, WHICH REPRESENTS MEDIA
WORKERS, AND SUPPORTS THIS BILL.
AND WE ACCEPTED EXTENSIVE
AMENDMENTS FROM A COALITION
REPRESENTED BY THE CALIFORNIA
NEWS PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION,
INCLUDING EVERY WORD IN THE MOST
RECENT SET OF AMENDMENTS THAT
HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO US AND
SHARED WITH THIS COMMITTEE.
UNFORTUNATELY THE PUBLISHERS
ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT THEY
WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS APPROACH.
SENATOR GLASER AGREES IN CONCEPT
WITH CHANGES SUGGESTED BY OTHER
STAKEHOLDERS WHO HAVE COME
FORWARD IN RECENT DAYS TO
SUPPORT THE BILL. AND MANY OF
THOSE IDEAS DOVETAIL WITH
SUGGESTIONS OFFERED BY THE CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. SO THIS MOVES
FORWARD TODAY HE COMMITS TO
WORKING WITH ALL PARTIES WHO
WISH TO ENGAGE IN AN HONEST AND
CONSTRUCTIVE MANNER. TO FINE
TUNE THIS MEASURE, WELL,
CONSULTING WITH THE CHAIR ON ANY
SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES WITH ME
TODAY IS ARTURO CARMONA, FOUNDER
OF THE LATINO MEDIA
COLLABORATIVE AND SENIOR ADVISER
TO LA OPINION. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING. MY NAME IS ARTURO
CARMONA, UM, FROM THE LATINO
MEDIA. COLLABORATIVE UM, YOU
KNOW, THERE'S AN OLD SAYING IN
LATINO MEDIA CIRCLES THAT FOR
EVERY DOLLAR, THE STATE DISHES
OUT. IN MEDIA LATINOS GET
PENNIES. THE LMC LATINO MEDIA
COLLABORATIVE WAS IN FIGHTING TO
ACHIEVE GREATER EQUITY AND
DISTRIBUTION OF MEDIA AND
OUTREACH DOLLARS FOR A FEW
YEARS, ONE OF THE MOST
SIGNIFICANT WAS SECURING TENS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR MEDIA
THROUGH THE 2020 CENSUS. THIS
WAS CENTRALLY COORDINATED BY THE
STATE, BUT WHAT THIS WAS
DISTRIBUTED THROUGH LOCAL
COMMUNITY FOUNDATIONS. AND
NONPROFITS THAT INTRICATELY NEW
LOCAL MEDIA, RESULTING IN REAL
RESOURCES REACHING DIVERSE
OUTLETS ACROSS THE STATE. WE
BELIEVE. THAT THIS LEGISLATION
REPRESENTS AN UNPRECEDENTED
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE STATE TO SET
ON A COURSE THAT CAN ESTABLISH A
MORE EQUAL LEVEL PLAYING FIELD
FOR LATINO AND LOCAL MEDIA
OUTLETS IN RURAL COASTAL AND
URBAN REGIONS TO BE ABLE TO
COMPETE FOR A STATE MEDIA
RESOURCES THAT CURRENTLY ARE
FRANKLY UNREACHABLE. THESE ARE
MOSTLY SMALL, INDEPENDENT NEWS
OUTLETS WITH LIMITED STAFF AND
REVENUE MODELS THAT ARE
CHALLENGED IN GENERALLY ENTIRELY
FOCUSED ON LOCAL AD SALES. MOST
OF THESE ARE PRIVATE OUTLETS. I
WANT A STRONGLY THINK SENATOR
GLAZER FOR AND HIS TEAM FOR
TAKING SO MANY AMENDMENTS
SPECIALLY FOR AGREEING ON OUR
SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
LATINO MEDIA. WITH THESE CHANGES
, WE HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT
THE STATE CAN BEGIN TO DEVELOP A
MODEL THAT HELPS ADDRESS THE
INEQUITIES IN THE DISTRIBUTION
OF MEDIA AND AD DOLLARS. THAT
PUT SMALL AND ETHNIC MEDIA
OUTLETS AT A MAJOR DISADVANTAGE
. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS BILL WILL
IT WILL ENSURE THAT STATE
RESOURCES ACTUALLY REACHED THE
LOCAL NEWS ORGANIZATIONS IN DIRE
NEED FOR THESE RESOURCES, AND OF
COURSE, THESE AMENDMENTS HELP
PROVIDE A STRONG FIREWALL TO
PROTECT JOURNALISTIC FREEDOM AND
INDEPENDENCE. ON BEHALF OF THE
LATINO MEDIA AND OUR COALITION
OF OUTLETS. WE URGE YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. I AT THIS
TIME WILL BE ACCEPTING TESTIMONY
FROM OPPOSITE FROM THE
OPPOSITION. DO WE HAVE PRIMARY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION? WE
HAVE A PRIMARY NGUYEN. OH OKAY.
MY APOLOGIES. I THOUGHT WE HAD A
PRIMARY WITNESS HERE AND
OPPOSITION. YEAH I'M SORRY,
MA'AM TO THE DIET. OKAY, PLEASE
JOIN US HERE. GOOD MORNING.
APOLOGIES ABOUT THE LIMP AND
UNFORTUNATE SOFTBALL ACCIDENT.
MY GOODNESS. GOOD MORNING, MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
MY NAME IS BRITTANY BAR SATI.
I'M THE GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE
CALIFORNIA NEWS PUBLISHERS
ASSOCIATION. IT IS TRUE THAT
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH
THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE SINCE
SHORTLY AFTER THE BILL WAS
INTRODUCED TO ADDRESS OUR
CONCERNS. UM AND WE'VE PARTNERED
WITH OUR ETHNIC MEDIA PARTNERS,
PART OF ME SERVICES. CALIFORNIA
BLACK MEDIA. UM BUT REGRETTABLY
, WE ARE STILL IN OPPOSITION.
THIS BILL IS FUNDAMENTALLY
FLAWED. IT IS BASED OFF OF A
MODEL. THAT REALLY FORCES
PHILANTHROPY OR IS IN THE WOULD. BENEFIT LARGE NONPROFITS OVER
THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE
ETHNIC MEDIA AND LOCAL MEDIA. WE
REPRESENT OVER 850 PUBLICATIONS
IN THE STATE AS A TRADE
ORGANIZATION. IT DOES GET
INTERESTING, BUT WE REPRESENT
LARGE, SMALL MEDIUM. WE WORK.
WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR ETHNIC
MEDIA PARTNERS FOR SEVERAL YEARS
ON ADVERTISING, EQUITY AND A
NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES. AND YOU
KNOW THEIR CONCERNS STILL
REMAIN. THIS BILL IS ESSENTIALLY
TRIES TO FIT A SQUARE. A ROUND
PEG INTO A SQUARE HOLE, RIGHT?
UM THESE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES
THAT DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES
TO APPLY FOR GRANTS ON A REGULAR
BASIS. THEY LACK THE RESOURCES.
THERE ARE ALSO LANGUAGE BARRIERS
, TECHNOLOGY BARRIERS AND A
LARGE AMOUNT OF ISSUES THAT
WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO TRY
AND PROVIDE SOME SORT OF
EQUALIZER. RIGHT? UMBUT THE
REALITY REMAINS THAT THE STATE
NEEDS TO REACH DIVERSE
POPULATIONS. FOR ALL OF THE
PROGRAMS THAT SERVES RIGHT. WE
HAVE A VERY LARGE STATE WITH A
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES
AND TO DIRECT ADVERTISING
DOLLARS WOULD BE A MORE
EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THAT.
WITHOUT THE FLAWS THAT WE SEE IN
THIS BILL. RIGHT THERE IS THE
WALL BETWEEN THE EDITORIAL AND
MANAGEMENT SIDE OF PUBLICATIONS
THAT WE WORK HARD TO MAINTAIN.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THIS WOULD
CREATE A BOARD OF POLITICAL
APPOINTEES. THAT WOULD DEVELOP
PROCEDURES, UM, WITHOUT GOING
THROUGH THE FORMAL RULEMAKING
PROCESS AND DECIDE WHAT CONTENT
IS WORTHY OF FUNDING, AND THAT
CREATES SERIOUS CONCERNS. WHEN
WE'RE DEALING WITH ADVERTISING
DOLLARS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT
DEMOGRAPHICS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT
BASED ON THE CONTENT. IT'S BASED
ON THE READERS AND AREAS WITH
WHICH THE PROGRAMS AND
ADVERTISING. YOU'RE TRYING TO
REACH AND YOU KNOW WE'VE TRIED
TO SUGGEST THAT TO THE AUTHOR'S
OFFICE THAT THERE ARE OTHER
MODELS AND THE ETHNIC MEDIA
PARTNERS WE'VE WORKED WITH. ALSO
HAVE THOSE CONCERNS. UM, AND THE
REALITY IS THIS WOULD CREATE A
MASSIVE BOARD THAT IS UNLIKELY
TO BE SUSTAINABLE THAT LEO HAS
REACHED REPEATEDLY WARNED US
AGAINST CREATING ONGOING
OBLIGATIONS WHILE THERE IS A
SUNSET OF 2028 IN THE BILL THAT
WOULD STILL, UM CREATE COSTS
ONGOING IN THE MILLIONS FOR THIS
BOARD TO BE MAINTAINED UNTIL
THAT POINT WHETHER THEY HAVE
FUNDING OR NOT. IN NEW JERSEY,
THEY SET UP A SIMILAR MODEL IN
2018, AND THEY JUST FINALLY NOW
GAVE OUT THEIR FIRST RAN ROUND
OF GRANTS, AND ONLY ONE WENT TO
A LATINO MEDIA. RADIO STATION.
EVERYTHING ELSE WENT TO
DIFFERENT CBOS AND DEMOCRACY
GROUPS AS OPPOSED TO THE ETHNIC
MEDIA WHO SUPPORTED THE BILL,
AND THEY HAVE OVER 100 ETHNIC
MEDIA PUBLICATIONS. IN THE STATE
OF NEW JERSEY. AND SO. WE SEE
THIS AS NOT BEING SUSTAINABLE
NOR SUFFICIENT WAY TO ADDRESS
OUR CONCERNS. WE DO THINK THE
AUTHOR FOR TAKING THE AMENDMENTS
BUT AND HAVING IT AS A 51 C
THREE THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE
BETTER, BUT THE REALITY REMAINS
AS WE'RE HAVING POLITICAL
APPOINTEES DECIDE WHAT IS AND
WHAT IS NOT JOURNALISM AND
WHAT'S WORTHY OF FUNDING AND
ALSO NOTE THE NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS, PUBLIC MEDIA THAT
THE AUTHORS OFFICE MENTIONED.
NPR IS ACTUALLY MOSTLY FUNDED BY
MEMBER CONTRIBUTIONS AND
CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP. IT IS NOT
FUNDED LARGELY THROUGH THE
GOVERNMENT. AND SO WITH THAT
I'LL GO AHEAD AND PASS IT ON TO
THE OTHER PUBLISHERS THAT HAVE
CAME OUT AND OPPOSITION BEFORE
WE DID, BUT I ALSO WANT TO NOTE
THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL
PUBLISHERS THAT FLEW UP WE HAVE
JULIAN WITH THE ETHNIC MEDIA
SERVICES THEY DON'T NORMALLY
LOBBY THERE ARE FIVE OH, ONE C
THREES. UM, WE WORK WITH THEM AS
A FIVE. OH, ONE C FOUR TO, UM
TRY AND GIVE THEM A VOICE ON THE
ISSUES THAT MATTER. BUT THIS WAS
SO IMPORTANT TO THEM THAT THEY
HAVE FLOWN UP HERE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION TO THANK YOU. WELL,
AND BEFORE WE HEAR FROM OUR NEXT
WITNESS, WE'RE GOING TO JUST
TAKE A MINUTE TO ESTABLISH A
QUORUM SECRETARY. IF YOU CAN
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
PETRIE-NORRIS HERE. PATERSON
GRAY. LACKEY. MEDINA RODRIGUEZ.
WILSON. WE HAVE A BOMB.
TERRIFIC. ALRIGHT. QUÊ. THANK
YOU, MADAM. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
. I'M REVEREND SHANE HARRIS, THE
NATIONAL PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER
OF THE PEOPLE'S ASSOCIATION OF
JUSTICE ADVOCATES. A NATIONAL
CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION, UH,
BASED IN SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA.
I'M ALSO HERE TO OPPOSE SB 9 11
AS UH, AS IT HAS BEEN, UH,
CURRENTLY PROCEEDED. I
THOROUGHLY BELIEVE, UH, MADAM
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE AS A CIVIL
RIGHTS LEADER AND SOMEONE WHO
HAS LONG UNDERSTOOD THE
IMPORTANCE OF HOW THE MEDIA
DEALS WITH COMMUNITY
SPECIFICALLY BLACK AND ETHNIC
COMMUNITIES THAT THIS BILL,
ALTHOUGH IT WAS CREATED WITH THE
INTENTION OF DOING GOOD IN
KEEPING PUBLIC MEDIA ALIVE. I
FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS
CREATED WITHOUT A LOT OF ASPECTS
IN MIND. ONE OF THOSE ASPECTS
THAT I'M GREATLY CONCERNED ABOUT
IS THE FACT THAT IT WAS CREATED.
UM WITH A WITH WITHOUT A REAL
pTHE, UH UM, COMMENTS THAT WERE
MENTIONED BY THE EARLIER
STATEMENTS. SOME OF THE ASPECTS
PERTAINING TO YOU KNOW POLITICAL
APPOINTEES HAVING SOME ROLE IN
THE NARRATIVE ACROSS OUR STATE?
UM AND THAT REALLY COMES OFF AS
BUYING A NARRATIVE. UM
NARRATIVES SHOULD NOT BE BOUGHT
BY POLITICAL OFFICE, NOR SHOULD
THEY BE BOUGHT BY POLITICAL
COMMITTEES OR POLITICALLY
APPOINTED COMMITTEES. NARRATIVE
SHOULD BE, UH, BROUGHT FORTH IN
A TRUNK, TRANSPARENT AND
BALANCED WAY. BY THE MEDIA
THEMSELVES. I ALSO AM FIRMLY
CONCERNED THAT THIS BILL HAS A
MINIMAL COMMITMENT TO BLACK AND
ETHNIC MEDIA COMPANIES ACROSS
OUR STATE. UM COMMITTING NARLY
25% OF THE 20 OF THE TAXPAYER
DOLLARS OF THAT 50 MILLION TO
ETHNIC MEDIA IS VERY DANGEROUS
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COVID 19
PANDEMIC. I SAW FIRSTHAND MADAM
CHAIR HOW IMPORTANT BLACK AND
ETHNIC MEDIA WAS TO TOUCHING THE
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE
DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED. UM
AND SO THERE WAS AN ASPECT THAT
THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
PERTAINING TO THE COMMITMENT OF
THIS BILL AND THE AUTHOR
PERTAINING TO THE ROLLOUT OF
THAT MONEY. AND THEN GREATLY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE TAXPAYER
DOLLARS GOING TOWARDS AH, YOU
KNOW, GOING TOWARD, UH, YOU
KNOW, STATE MEDIA COMPANIES AND
THE FACT THAT THE BILL DOES NOT,
YOU KNOW, MANDATE THAT COMPANIES
BE BASED HERE IN CALIFORNIA. UM
SO IT'S GREATLY CONCERNING THAT
A COMPANY CAN LITERALLY BE
OUTSIDE OF OUR STATE. UM AND
ESSENTIALLY ACCESS THESE DOLLARS
THAT THEY HAVE A BLOG OR OR OR
SUCH OF AN ONLINE NEWS OUTLET.
UH THERE'S NO REAL STRONG
COMMITMENT TO ENSURE THAT
COMPANIES ARE BI STATE OR BE
WITHIN OUR STATE. UM AND THEN,
YOU KNOW, FINALLY, YOU KNOW,
CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT
THE AUTHORS STANCE THAT
COMPANIES YOU KNOW, ONLY HAVE TO
BE IN EXISTENCE FOR ONE YEAR IS
VERY DANGEROUS. I MEAN, ANYBODY
CAN START A MEDIA COMPANY. AND
SO THERE ARE LONG STANDING
COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND
FOR A LONG TIME. UH AND THERE
SHOULD BE SOME VETTING RIGHT OF
WHO'S ACCESSING THESE DOLLARS.
AH AND SPECIFICALLY LEGACY MEDIA
COMPANIES, MANY OF THEM I CAN
THINK ABOUT SAN DIEGO VOICE AND
VIEWPOINT IN SAN DIEGO TO SAN
DIEGO. MONITOR NEWS, UM YOU KNOW
, YOU'VE GOT, UH, COMPANIES
ACROSS OUR STATE THAT HAVE BEEN
AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, AND I
THINK THAT IT'S DANGEROUS WHEN
WE HAVE THIS THIS KIND OF
OPPORTUNITY OPEN TO WITHOUT
WITHOUT MANDATES AND ARRANGE SO
MY OFFICE IS PROPOSING, UH, YOU
KNOW SOME OF THE FOLLOWING
AMENDMENTS OR POSSIBLE CHANGES
THAT CAN OCCUR. AH, BECAUSE I
BELIEVE FIRMLY THAT BLACK MEDIA
AND ETHNIC MEDIA PLAYED A
CRITICAL ROLE DURING COVID, 19
AND DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC AND
SPECIFICALLY DEALING WITH THESE
COMMUNITIES THAT WERE
DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED. I
BELIEVE THAT. AH IF THOSE
DOLLARS CAN CAN BE MORE FOCUSED
ON ADVERTISEMENT, UM THEN WE
HAVE A BETTER PARTNER IN THE
EFFORT VERSUS UH, GRANTS, WHICH
CREATES A LOT OF COMPETITION
AMONG YOU KNOW WHO CAN
ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, ACCESS
THESE DOLLARS IF WE OPEN THIS UP
TO A BROADER YOU KNOW,
ADVERTISING ASPECT? UM AND
SPECIFICALLY, UH, THAT THAT
BLACK AND ETHNIC MEDIA MUST HAVE
A 50 PER CENT COMMITMENT FROM
OUR STATE. UM 25% IS JUST TOO
SMALL FOR COMMUNITIES WHO ARE
DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED ON
MULTIPLE LEVELS BY ECONOMIC AND
EQUITY ISSUES. AND UM, YOU CAN
GO ON AND ON AND ON COVID 19
PANDEMIC SHOWED US THAT SO
THERE'S GOT TO BE. I THINK A
BIGGER COMMITMENT WITHIN THIS
BUILDING. JUST 25. UM WITH A
DESIRE TO HELP LOCAL MEDIA AND
WITH WITH A PRIORITY OF ETHNIC
MEDIA, MY OFFICE AGREES WITH
MANY OF THE BLACK AND ETHNIC
MEDIA LEADERS WE HAVE SPOKEN TO
AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE 50% OR
MORE. OF THESE DOLLARS BIALIK
ALLOCATED TO ETHNIC OWNER NEWS
ORGANIZATIONS AS OPPOSED TO 25%
SO I FIRMLY BELIEVE BELIEVE, AS
I STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF MY
COMMENTS THAT THIS BILL WAS
CREATED WITH GOOD INTENTION. AND
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE ASPECT
OF THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO KEEP
OUR PUBLIC MEDIA ALIVE. UH ON
THE OTHER HAND OF THAT WE MUST
ENSURE THAT IT'S DONE IN AN
EQUITABLE WAY THAT IT'S DONE IN
A FAIR WAY, AND ULTIMATELY, THIS
GETS INTO CIVIL RIGHTS BECAUSE
IT'S ACCESS. IT'S WHAT PEOPLE
HERE AND IT'S THE INFORMATION.
THAT GOES OUT. SO I, UH.
COMPLETE MY COMMENTS AND I THANK
YOU SO MUCH, SHERIFF. THANK YOU,
AND I SKIPPED AHEAD OF MYSELF A
LITTLE BIT. SO BEFORE WE HEAR
FROM OUR WITNESSES IN THE ROOM,
PROVIDING ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY
AND OPPOSITION LET'S HEAR FROM
ANYONE IN THE ROOM WHO WANT TO
PROVIDE ME TO TESTIMONY AND
SUPPORT. COULD GO AHEAD AND COME
TO THE FRONT OF THE QUEUE. HI
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
ESPERANZA. I'M WITH THE EXCUSE
ME. I'M WITH THE WITH COLOGNE
NEWS, WHICHIS AN OUTLET THAT
PROVIDES COVERAGE ON ISSUES
IMPACTING LATINOS THROUGHOUT THE
STATE. AND I'M HERE, ALONG WITH
A TOTAL 14 DIFFERENT NEWS MEDIA
OUTLETS, UM, AS WELL AS COMMON
CAUSE THAT WE STAND IN SUPPORT,
EVEN IF AMENDED FOR SP NINE, UM
9 11. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS BILL
WOULD PROVIDE CRITICALLY NEEDED
SUPPORT. SO WE'RE JUST GONNA DO
THE ME TOO. OH SORRY AT THIS
POINT, UM, WE'RE JUST TAKING
TESTIMONY. IF YOU CAN. SAY WHO
YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE
REPRESENTING, AND YOUR POSITION
ON THE BILL. ESPERANZA WITH
COLOGNE NEWS SUPPORTING SB 9 11
IF AMENDED. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO PROVIDE
TESTIMONY AND SUPPORT. OKAY UH,
ANYONE IN THE ROOM WISHING TO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND OPPOSITION
NOW APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. A
WEEK. SO WE ONLY TAKE TWO
PRIMARY WITNESSES. SO IF YOU
WANT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
TESTIMONY AND OPPOSITION, THEN
YOU CAN YOU KNOW STATE YOUR
NAME, AFFILIATION AND POSITION
ON THE BILL. WHOLE COUNT. I'M
THE PUBLISHER OF THE POST NEWS
GROUP. I'M THE ONE WHO WROTE THE
ORIGINAL LETTER TO SENATOR
GLASER TO RAISE THE CONCERN
ABOUT THE LACK OF COLLABORATION
WITH MINORITY MEDIA AND I'VE
BEEN TRYING TO WORK. I
APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT ON THE
NEW JERSEY ALTERNATIVE AND THE
OPTION THAT SHOWS AN ATTITUDE
AND A SPIRIT OF COOPERATION. BUT
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH,
SPEAKING AS TO WHY, AND LET'S DO
THIS. WE'LL STAY HERE BECAUSE
I'M SURE THERE THERE ARE GOING
TO BE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE
MEMBERS ON THE DIOCESAN, UH,
LOOK FORWARD TO DIRECTING SOME
OF THOSE QUESTIONS TO YOU DID ON
MY REMARKS. TO BRITTANY, AND TO
CHANGE THEY SPOKE ELOQUENTLY TO
THE SAME CONCERNS. THANK YOU,
LEGENDARY PAUL. ALRIGHT WITH
THAT WILL TURN TO TESTIMONY IN
THE ROOM. UM PLEASE, YOU CAN
APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. AND IF
YOU CAN SAY YOUR NAME,
AFFILIATION AND YOUR POSITION ON
SB 9 11. OKAY THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING. MY NAME IS TRAINING
WING FROM DAILY NEWS. WE HAD THE
OLDEST AND LARGEST VIETNAMESE
NEWSPAPER ACROSS THE US AND OF
COURSE IN CALIFORNIA. I'M ALSO
THE MEMBER OF WE ALSO THE MEMBER
OF, UH, ETHNIC MEDIA SERVICES.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO SAY THAT THE
SB 9 11 DOES NOT SUPPORT A MEDIA
SO THEREFORE WE OPPOSE SB 9 11.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM THANK
YOU TO COMMUNITIES. MY NAME IS
JULIAN DOUGH. I AM CO DIRECTOR
OF ETHNIC MEDIA SERVICES. WE ARE
THE LARGEST ETHNIC MEDIA OUTLET
NETWORK IN THE STATE AND MANY OF
OUR MEMBERS OF LATINOS. BLACK
MIDDLE EASTERN AND ASIANS. AND
IF THE BILL IS INTENDED TO SERVE
THE DIVERSE COMMUNITIES, THEN WE
HAVE SERIOUS RESERVATIONS ABOUT
THIS. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.
I'M RICHARD SANDOVAL. I AM OWNER
OF HISPANIC LIFESTYLE. WE ARE AN
ONLINE PUBLICATION IN THE PBS
TELEVISION SHOW LOCATED IN THE
INLAND EMPIRE CELEBRATING 25
YEARS. AND I AM OPPOSED TO SB 9
11. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS KELBY
MCINTOSH I'M FOUNDER OF PENCIL
MEDIA, LOCAL MEDIA OUTLET
UPSTART HERE IN SACRAMENTO, ALSO
REPRESENTATIVE AT THE BEHEST OF
PLESHETTE ROBINSON FOR THE
SACRAMENTO CULTURAL HUB. SB 911
DOES NOT FALL IN ALIGNMENT WITH
WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE TRY TO DO FOR
THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE
REPRESENT, AND WE OPPOSE. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
JAY KING. I'M THE PRESIDENT AND
CEO OF THE CALIFORNIA BLACK
CHAMBER AND 97. 5 K D. E.
SACRAMENTO'S NUMBER ONE
COMMUNITY RADIO STATION, AND WE
OPPOSE SB 9 11. QUÊ. GOOD
MORNING, AND REVEREND DOCTOR
DECOY PORTER, THE FOUNDING
PRESIDENT OF NATIONAL ACTION
NETWORK IN SACRAMENTO CHAPTER
AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE
OPPOSED 9 11. HELLO. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR MEMBERS,
CHRISTOPHER SANDINO ON BEHALF OF
THE BLACK SMALL BUSINESSES ALSO
ASSOCIATION AND WE MUST HAVE TO
VOICE OUR RESPECTFULOPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS
JOINED CANADIAN PRESIDENT CEO
CALIFORNIA HISPANIC CHAMBERS OF
COMMERCE. UNFORTUNATELY WE MUST
, UH, RESPECTIVELY OPPOSED 9 11
AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF THE
FLAWS THAT WERE MENTIONED. THANK
YOU. MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
STEVE CRUZ ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA, BLACK MEDIA AND
OPPOSITION. QUÊ. ALRIGHT WITH
THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT
BACK AT TWO MEMBERS, QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS. MR MEDINA. OKAY? UM
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DO
HAVE A QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. UM. FIRST MAYBE CLARIFY, UH, THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED,
UH, WHICH INCLUDE REQUIRING NEWS
ORGANIZATIONS TO RECEIVING
GRANTS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR
TWO YEARS. UH FORMALIZING THE
LEGISLATURE'S INTENT TO INCREASE
STATE SUPPORT FOR ADVERTISING
FOR ETHNIC MEDIA OWNED OUTLETS.
AND REQUIRING THE BOARD'S ANNUAL
REPORT TO INCLUDE A DISCUSSION
OF STEPS TAKEN TO ENSURE THE
GRANT FUNDS ARE USED TO PROMOTE
THE PRODUCTION OF PUBLIC
INTEREST NEWS. THAT IS FREELY
AVAILABLE ONLINE. IN THE HIRING
RETENTION OF NEWS WORKERS AND
EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVES,
PROMOTING JOURNALISM TRAINING
AND MEDIA LITERACY. ARE THOSE
AMENDMENTS THAT AUTHORS TAKING
SENATOR GLASER SUPPORTS THOSE
CHANGES. THEY CAME TO US VERY
LATE IN THE GAME, SO THERE'S NO
LANGUAGE AVAILABLE ON THEM. BUT
IF THE COMMITTEE ALSO WANTS
THOSE THINGS IN THE BILL, HE IS
COMMITTED TO GETTING THAT INTO
LANGUAGE AND GETTING IT INTO THE
BILL. BEFORE IT GOES TO
APPROPRIATIONS. VERY GOOD. UM I
CAME IN A LITTLE BIT LATE. AH
BUT BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS
OF GREAT IMPORTANCE TO ME IN MY
COMMUNITY THAT I REPRESENT
RIVERSIDE. WE'VE SEEN VERY MUCH
A DECLINE. IN MEDIA. AND USE
REPORTING, AND SO THEREFORE UM.
I THINK DEMOCRACY DOES SUFFER
AND THE CITIZENS DO NOT GET TO
BE INFORMED AS THEY SHOULD BE,
WHETHER IT'S ABOUT CITY HALL. OR
OR THE STATE FOR THAT MATTER,
AND THE DECLINE. AND NEWS
REPORTING AS JUST AND NEWSPAPERS
THEMSELVES. I REMEMBER WHEN
NEWSPAPERS WERE THAT THICK AND
NOW YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE THIS
RIGHT TO THE COVERAGE THAT WE
GET. IS MINIMAL. NEWSPAPERS ARE
REPORTING IN MY AREA THROUGHOUT
THE REGION. I MEAN, GOING FROM
ORANGE COUNTY, DECEMBER GIARDINO
COUNTY TO RIVERSIDE COUNTY, AND
THAT'S THE NEWS THAT WE'RE
GETTING. SO CITIZENS ARE NOT
BEING AS INFORMED AS THEY WERE
IN THE PAST, AND THAT IS TO THE
DETRIMENT OF THE DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS. AND, UM. CITIZENS BEING
INFORMED, SO IT IS, UH,
IMPORTANT ISSUE TO ME. BUT I'M
NOT SURE AND I APOLOGIZE AGAIN
FOR GETTING HERE LATE. IF I
COULD, WITH THE INDULGENCE OF
THE CHAIR. WOULD WOULD IT BE ALL
RIGHT, JUST TO LAY OUT A LITTLE
BIT. FOR ME HOW THIS, UM, BOARD?
WOULD OPERATE AND HOW IT
ADDRESSES THAT LARGE ISSUE. IS
THAT ALRIGHT? YES ABSOLUTELY. I
THINK THERE'S A, UH MR MEDINA
AND OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I
THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS
THAT ALL OF US HAVE ABOUT THE
PROPOSAL AT HAND. AND SO I WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE THE
TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE
ACTUALLY ADVANCING. I THINK WE
RECOGNIZE AND WE RECOGNIZE THE
GOAL THAT SENATOR GLASER IS
TRYING TO ACHIEVE. BUT UM AS THE
SENATOR KNOWS, AND AS I BELIEVE
YOU, MR WEINTRAUB. NO I AND I
THINK OTHERS HAVE A LOT OF
QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE
SOLUTION. THAT'S THAT'S BEEN
LAID OUT IN THIS BELL. SO I YES,
YOU KNOW, PLEASE MIND OUTLINING
FOR ME AND THE REST OF THE
COMMITTEE. HOW HOW DOES THIS
ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT I
BROUGHT UP? SURE. UM, MADAM
CHAIR. YOU KNOW, HAVE AN
INTEREST IN THAT IDEA OF THE
FIVE OH ONE C THREE. SO IF I'M
EXPLAINING WHAT'S IN THE BILL,
NOW SHOULD I ALSO ADDRESS THE
QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE RAISED IN
THE ANALYSIS GUESSES AS A
PERHAPS AS A NEW JUMPING OFF
POINT, AND I THINK I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE WE'RE REALLY LATE.
IN IN THE PROCESS HERE. SENATOR
GLASER. UM. HAS YOU KNOW WE'VE
HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
THE BELL. AND UM, WHILE I AS I
SAID, I'VE GOT A LOT OF CONCERNS
ABOUT THE BILL IS DRAFTED, UM,
HAVE COMMITTED TO TRYING TO WORK
WITH SENATOR GLASER TO DEVELOP A
SOLUTION THAT WE THINK CAN
ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. AND AS YOU
SAID, UM, IN ADVANCE THE GOALS
AS A AS LAID OUT BY SENATOR
GLASER, SO I THINK THAT THE
FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE I HAVE IS
SIMILAR TO SOME OTHER CONCERNS
THAT WERE EXPRESSED BY
OPPOSITION WITNESSES. WHICH IS
THAT THE IDEA THAT FREE PRESS IS
GOING TO BE PROTECTED BY
CREATING A GOVERNMENT
BUREAUCRACY JUST SEEMS SORT OF
CONTRADICTORY. UM AND SO I'M NOT
PERSONALLY COMFORTABLE WITH
THAT. THE SOLUTION THAT I HAD
PROPOSED IN THAT. FRANKLY WE'RE
TRYING TO FLESH OUT THE DETAILS
AROUND WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS
MORE OF A STRONG FIVE OH ONE C
THREE. MODEL YOU POINTED TO THE
BBC. YOU POINTED TO THE CBC AS
AS EXAMPLES. I THINK THAT
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO
ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY
LOOK LIKE AND UM, BECAUSE
THERE'S FUNDING FOR THIS IN THE
BUDGET. TODAY UM, AND BECAUSE
WE'RE SORT OF DOWN TO THE WIRE
WHAT I HAVE COMMITTED TO SENATOR
GLASER AS IF HE ACCEPTS THAT IN
CONCEPT, UM, WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR COMMITTEE
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK
WITH YOU AND WITH THE OPPOSITION
TO TRY TO THREAD THIS NEEDLE AND
COME UP WITH SOME ACTUAL
AMENDMENTS IN ADVANCE OF
APPROPRIATIONS THAT I WILL
SUPPORT THE BELL, AND THERE'S
ALSO A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS THAT
HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BY THE
CALIFORNIA NEWS PUBLISHERS
ASSOCIATION. AND SOME OTHER
PARTIES ABOUT CHANGES THAT THEY
WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THE BILL'S
LANGUAGE AND YOU'VE SIGNALED
THAT YOU'RE OPEN TO ACCEPTING.
AND I'VE ACTUALLY I'VE GOT TO
READ THESE BECAUSE SINCE THEY
CAME VERY LATE WHERE WE ARE NOT
IN THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS, SO
THAT INCLUDES REQUIRING THAT A
NEWS ORGANIZATION, LOCAL NEWS
ORGANIZATION AND DIGITAL NEWS
ORGANIZATION BE ESTABLISHED FOR
TWO YEARS RATHER THAN ONE. UH IN
8780.4 K, DELETING THE PHRASE
STANDARDS FOR EVALUATION OF
JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY. THREE IN
THE PARAGRAPH DIRECTING THE
BOARD TO GIVE PREFERENCE TO
CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS TO LEAD
COMMUNITY NEWS ORGANIZATIONS.
NUMBER FOUR IN THE SENTENCE,
DESCRIBING THE 25% SET ASIDES
DELETE CALIFORNIA OWNED CRITERIA
FOR THAT MEDIA SET ASIDE AND
DELETE GENERAL AUDIENCE FROM THE
CRITERIA FOR THE LOCAL NEWS
ORGANIZATIONS SET ASIDE NUMBER
FIVE IN THE SENTENCE ABOUT
PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO
APPLICANTS OUT OF PHRASE ABOUT
FOLLOW UP TO APPLICANTS WHO FILE
INCOMPLETE APPLICATIONS AND
NUMBER SIX IN THE PARAGRAPH ON
ANNUAL REPORTS FROM THE BOARD.
AT THE LOCAL TO THE LINE ABOUT
NEWS ORGANIZATIONS WITH A
GENERAL AUDIENCE. SO THOSE WERE
SOME OF THE SPECIFICS, BUT THE
REALLY BIG PICTURE THING IS, IS
REALLY ESSENTIALLY DISSOLVING
THE THIS IS THE SOLUTION IS
PROPOSED AND COMING UP WITH A
DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE MODEL. AND
I'M CURIOUS. I WANT TO HAVE MR
WEINTRAUB RESPOND TO THAT. BUT I
ALSO DO WANT TO HAVE THE
OPPOSITION RESPOND TO THAT AND
ENSURE THAT THAT ACTUALLY
REFLECTS AMENDMENTS THAT YOU
HAVE PROPOSED IN THAT WHILE I
UNDERSTAND PROBABLY, YOU KNOW,
MAY NOT MOVE YOU TO A NEUTRAL
POSITION. UM DO ADDRESS SOME OF
THE CONCERNS. SO, MR WEINTRAUB,
IF YOU CAN I'M SORRY, MR MEDINA
. I DO WANT TO ANSWER YOUR
QUESTION, SO THE IDEA IS TO
CREATE A FUND, WHICH IS IN THE
BUDGET THAT'S PENDING TODAY AND
TO HAVE AN ENTITY WHETHER IT'S
THE BOARD THAT WE PROPOSED,
WHICH WAS MODELED CLOSELY AFTER
THE CALIFORNIA ARTS COUNCIL,
WHICH HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR
DECADES, AND ALSO YOU KNOW, IT'S
NOT NEWS. BUT ARTISTS ALSO HAVE
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ISSUES AND
NEED TO BE ABLE TO PRACTICE
THEIR ART WITHOUT GOVERNMENT
INTERFERENCE, SO WE STARTED WITH
THAT MODEL, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY
OPEN TO OTHERS AND AS SOME OF
MENTIONED THE STATE OF NEW
JERSEY HAD A DIFFERENT MODEL,
WHERE THEY CREATED A NONPROFIT
AND THEN KIND OF SET IT FREE. TO
OPERATE WITHOUT YOU KNOW,
HOPEFULLY ANY GOVERNMENT
INTERFERENCE SO THE CHAIR
BROUGHT UP THAT ISSUE, BUT
WHETHER IT'S THE BOARD THAT WE
HAVE IN THE CURRENT BILL OR
WHETHER IT'S A NONPROFIT. THAT
ENTITY WOULD BE DIVERSE,
PROTECTED FROM POLITICAL
INTERFERENCE HAVE EXPERTISE IN
ALL KINDS OF MEDIA HAVE ETHNIC
REPRESENTATION ON IT. AND IT
WOULD JUST AS THE ARTS COUNCIL
DOES EVALUATE GRANT APPLICATIONS
AND TARGET THE FUNDS TO THOSE
AREAS THAT ARE MOST IN NEED. AND
WHERE DEMOCRACY IS MOST AT PERIL
FROM THE GAPS IN NEWS COVERAGE
THAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR
COMMENTS. IF I MAY. FOLLOW UP ON
THE QUESTION. IT SEEMS LIKE TO
ME THAT GOVERNMENT ENTITY. FOR
WITH GOVERNMENT APPOINTED
REPRESENTATIVE. AND A NONPROFIT
ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I'M HEARING THE CHAIR, UH,
PROPOSING THAT THAT THAT SHE
WOULD ENCOURAGE THE AUTHOR TO
MOVE TOWARDS A NONPROFIT MODEL
CORRECT. YES, CORRECT. AND I
THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE OF
DISTINCT PROVISIONS, FOR EXAMPLE
, IN THE BEDROOM IN NEW JERSEY'S
MODEL, WHICH IS THE NEW JERSEY
CIVIC INFORMATION CONSORTIUM. UM
THE BOARD. IN THE NEW JERSEY
MODEL IS COMPRISED OF A OF A MIX
OF POLITICAL APPOINTEES, BUT
IMPORTANTLY, THEY ARE APPOINTEES
FROM BOTH THE MAJORITY AND
MINORITY PARTY. SO IN THE NEW
JERSEY MODEL, IT'S THEY MAJORITY
AND MINORITY LEADER OF THE STATE
SENATE MAJORITY AND MINORITY
LEADER OF THE STATE ASSEMBLY, AS
WELL AS THE GOVERNOR EACH HAVE
AN APPOINTEE. UM AND I THINK
IMPORTANTLY, THAT IS A
PARTNERSHIP WITH LEADING
UNIVERSITIES ACROSS NEW JERSEY,
AND EACH OF THOSE UNIVERSITIES
HAS AN APPOINTEE. END OF THE
WHILE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF
POLITICAL APPOINTEES THEY THE
MAJORITY OF THE BOARD. OR NOT,
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHEN
IMPORTANT PROVISIONS. UM AND, UH
, THE SECOND IS, LET'S SAY WHAT
WAS HE OTHER? THE OTHER KEY KEY
DISTINCTION? I THINK IT'S YOU
KNOW THE WAY THAT THE BOARD IS,
UH IS COMPRISED, I THINK IS AN
IMPORTANT DISTINCTION AND THE
FACT THAT IT IS THEN A FIVE OH
ONE C THREE IS SUPPORT AS
OPPOSED TO A GOVERNMENT BOARD OR
COMMISSION. SO TO. AH, MR
WEINTRAUB, UM, IT WOULD SEEM
LIKE TO ME THAT TAKING THAT
RECOMMENDATION WOULD WOULD
REMOVE. YOU KNOW SOME OF THE
OPPOSITION. AND IS THAT THE
DIRECTION THEN THAT YOU'RE
MOVING THE SENATORS. DEFINITELY.
BEYOND OPEN TO THAT IDEA, AND
WILL COMMIT TO WORKING WITH THE
CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE
IT HAPPEN. IRONICALLY, THE
BIGGEST OPPONENT OF THIS BILL
HAS SPENT THE FIRST HALF OF THIS
YEAR. ACCUSING US OF HAVING THAT
IN THIS BILL ALREADY AND
ATTACKING THAT CONCEPT WHEN IT
WASN'T IN THERE, SO NOW WE'RE
KIND OF FLIPPING THINGS. AND IF
IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE
COMMITTEE TO GO WITH THAT, I'M
NOT SURE THAT RESOLVES THEIR
ISSUES. THEY'LL HAVE TO THEY'LL
HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT, BUT WE'RE
HAPPY TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND THEN MY, PERHAPS MY VERY
LAST QUESTION I HEARD FROM A
WITNESS THAT THERE WERE VARIOUS
LATINO MEDIA GROUPS THAT ARE IN
SUPPORT, BUT IN WHAT I HAVE IN
FRONT OF ME UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE
REPORTED. SO UM, WOULD YOU SHARE
WELL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY
STRONG SUPPORT FROM THE LATINO
MEDIA COLLABORATIVE. WE
REPRESENT OVER 25 MEDIA OUTLETS
ACROSS THE STATE LAW OPINION.
OUTLETS IN THE INLAND EMPIRE
THAT'S ACROSS THE STATE. CENTRAL
COAST CENTRAL VALLEY, NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA. THERE'S A SHEET
ACTUALLY, THAT WE CAN PROVIDE
YOU WITH THE LIST OF A NEW
NUMBER OF LATINO WOULD BE
HELPFUL BECAUSE IN MY ANALYSIS I
ONLY SEE ONE. SO THANK YOU.
THANK THIS. WOULD BE GOOD TO
SHARE. THANK YOU. MHM. I DON'T
HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MISS WILSON.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE
PRESENTATION. I DID MISS A
PORTION OF IT, UM, HAVE HAD
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A FEW
CONVERSATIONS. I'D LIKE TO QUOTE
SOMETHING FROM THE ANALYSIS THAT
I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT
BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE THING THAT
EVERYBODY DISAGREE ON AND IT
SAYS THE AUTHOR, SUPPORTERS AND
OPPOSITION RECOGNIZE THE
CRITICAL ROLE THAT A ROBUST
MEDIA PLAYS IN DEMOCRACY AND THE
PROBLEM WITH THE DECLINING
NUMBER OF DIVERSE VIEWPOINTS. UM
YOU KNOW, I HAPPEN TO BE AN AVID
READER OF THE WASHINGTON POST IN
IT AND THEIR TAGLINE I THINK FOR
FROM 2069 HAS BEEN, UM AND MAYBE
LONGER, BUT WHEN I NOTICED IT
WAS DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS.
AND SO WE KNOW THAT, UM,
EVERYONE I COULDN'T AGREE ON HOW
IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE HAVE
ROBUST MEDIA AND I'M PART OF
THAT GIVES TRANSPARENCY TO
WHAT'S HAPPENING. GOVERNMENT
TRANSPARENCY. WHAT'S HAPPENING
IN OUR COMMUNITY? IT'S HOW WE
STAY INFORMED. AND, UM AND STAY
ENGAGED AND WHEN DISINFORMATION
OUT THERE, THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR
US WHEN, UH, MEDIA IS REDUCED.
THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR US, EITHER,
AND ESPECIALLY IN OUR
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. WHERE THEY
ALREADY FEEL MARGINALIZED IN, UM
AND REPRESENTED OR UNSUPPORTED
IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THE
QUESTION REALLY IS. HOW DO WE AS
A GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? HOW DO WE
AS A STATE ENTITY HELP SUPPORT?
UM HAVING OUR OUR MEDIA RIGHT
AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE
THAT TRANSPARENCY FOR GOVERNMENT
, KEEPING US ACCOUNTABLE AND
KEEPING PEOPLE INFORMED AND HAVE
A WAY FOR COMMUNITIES TO THRIVE
RIGHT BECAUSE WE THRIVE WHEN WE
ARE INFORMED. UM AND WHEN WE ARE
NOT INFORMED, UM WE REALLY DON'T
THRIVE. THE EXACT OPPOSITE
HAPPENS. AND SO I AM, TOO. WHEN
I READ THIS, I COULD SEE THE
WELL INTENTIONED UM THROUGHOUT
THE WHOLE THING AND VERY
THOUGHTFUL AND SO THOUGHTFUL
THAT I THINK IT MADE IT MORE
CUMBERSOME, YOU KNOW, AND I HAD
AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO
SENATOR GLASER. LAST NIGHT, AND
I KNOW HE WAS, UM YOU KNOW, I'M
DISAPPOINTED THAT HE WASN'T BE
ABLE ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE TODAY
, BUT HE DID SAY HE WAS BRINGING
IN A EXPERT SO GLAD TO HAVE TO
HAVE YOU HERE. UM, BUT I ALSO
KNOW THAT WITH MEDIA, THEIR MAIN
SOURCE OF REVENUE IS
ADVERTISING. MAIN SOURCE.
SECONDARY IS SUBSCRIPTIONS, BUT
NOT REALLY. IT'S A SMALL PORTION
OF IT. UM AND THEN THE MORE
SUBSCRIPTION THEY HAVE, THE
BETTER THEY CAN GET AN
ADVERTISING BECAUSE THEY HAVE
MORE EYES WATCHING IT. AND SO I
WONDER. WITH THIS IS THE
SUSTAINABILITY IF WE'RE NOT AS A
STATE SAYING, OKAY, WELL, WE
WILL THEN, UM, DO MORE
ADVERTISING IN THE MEDIA. AND
THAT'S WHERE WE CAN SPEND OUR
DOLLARS. WHY WOULD WE DO THE
GRANT MODEL? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T
APPEAR TO BE SUSTAINABLE IN THE
SENSE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT
THE ECONOMY WILL BRING. AND I
TALKED TO SENATE GLACIER ABOUT
THIS LAST NIGHT AND NOTED THAT
YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T MAKE
DECISIONS ON WHAT THE ECONOMY
WILL BE. BUT EVEN STILL GIVING A
TWO YEAR GRANT, WHO'S TO SAY
THEY'RE GOING TO GET THAT GRANT
AGAIN. AND SO HOW DO YOU BE
OPERATIONAL WITH THESE GRANTS?
BECAUSE FORGET A RECESSION.
LET'S SAY WE HAVE, UM YOU KNOW A
GREAT ECONOMY FOR THE NEXT 10
YEARS AND WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP
THIS MODEL. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT
THAT PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION IS
GOING TO GET A GRANT THE NEXT
TIME AND THE NEXT TIME AND I
THINK AS A PART OF THE MEDIA,
YOU NEED THAT STABILITY RIGHT
WITHIN, UH WITHIN YOUR, UM
BUDGET, SO TO SPEAK. SO HOW DO
YOU THAN SOLVE THAT CONCEPT OF
IT'S NOT A FOREVER GRANT. AND
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE
THOUGHT THAT THEY USED THAT
GRANT? WHAT DO THEY DO WHEN UM,
WHEN THE GRANT IS OVER, SO TO
SPEAK, THEY HAVE THESE WORKERS.
WHAT WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT
PROCESS AROUND THAT FIRST WITH
RESPECT TO ADVERTISING AND STATE
PAID ADVERTISING? UM. NOT EVERY
NEWS ORGANIZATION HAS STATE.
RECEIVES REVENUE THROUGH STATE
ADVERTISING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT
THE PERCENTAGES BUT I IMAGINE
IT'S FAIRLY SMALL OR AT LEAST
THE SMALL, TINY, LET ME CLARIFY,
SO I WAS JUST SAYING, UM MEDIA
GETS THEIR REVENUE FROM
ADVERTISING OVERALL, AND THE
STATE DOES NOT TYPICALLY
PARTICIPATE IN ADVERTISING. AND
SO I WAS WONDERING THE THOUGHT
OF USING. THAT'S WHAT? YEAH,
YEAH, I THOUGHT OF USING YEAH,
THOSE DOLLARS TO GO IN AND
ADVERTISE WHAT WE WANT TO
COMMUNICATE IN THESE COMMUNITIES
. THERE IS A MODEL FOR THIS
THAT'S EMERGED IN THE LAST 10.
OR SO YEARS IN THE PHILANTHROPIC
WORLD. WHERE VARIOUS FOUNDATIONS
AND SOME CORPORATIONS HAVE GIVEN
GRANTS AND DONATIONS TO AH
NEWSPAPERS, RADIO STATIONS. AND
NEWS WEBSITES. TO BOLSTER THEIR
COVERAGE. UM UNFORTUNATELY, THAT
MODEL UM AS AS MY WITNESS AND
OTHERS HAVE SAID, HAS NOT DONE
WELL FOR ETHNIC MEDIA. UH THE
ETHNIC MEDIA REPRESENTATIVES
THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO HAVE SAID
THAT THEY OFTEN FEEL, YOU KNOW,
SHUT OUT FROM THAT PROCESS THAT
LANGUAGE BARRIERS OR EXTENSIVE
THAT THAT, UM THERE'S NO REAL
ASSISTANCE WITH THEIR
APPLICATIONS. AND SO IF THEY'RE
NOT SOPHISTICATED, THEY CAN'T
ACCESS THAT MONEY. SO BY DOING
IT THROUGH A STATE ENTITY OR A
STATE CREATED NONPROFIT. WE CAN
ENSURE, AS WE DID IN THE BILL
ALREADY FOR THE STATE ENTITY
THAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE
ADDRESSED THAT THE ENTITY IS
REQUIRED. TO DO OUTREACH TO
THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT IT IS
REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ALL THE
TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT AN
APPLICANT NEEDS TO COMPLETE
THEIR APPLICATION, NOT JUST
REJECT AN APPLICATION BECAUSE
THERE'S ONE LINE MISSING
SOMEWHERE. AND THAT IT'S
REQUIRED TO BE AVAILABLE IN
MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. SO TO THE
EXTENT THAT WE'RE CONCERNED
ABOUT UM ETHNIC NEWSPAPERS AND
NEWS SITES. ACCESSING THIS
MONEY. THIS BILL ADDRESSES THAT
NOW AS FAR AS THE SUSTAINABILITY
OF THE GRANTS AGAIN IN IN THAT
MODEL, WHILE THIS BILL BECAUSE
OF AMENDMENTS WE'VE TAKEN AT THE
REQUEST OF THE PUBLISHERS IS NOT
ACTUALLY ALLOW BRAND NEW
STARTUPS TO ACCESS THE MONEY. UM
ONCE THEY'RE IN BUSINESS FOR TWO
YEARS AND SHOW A TRACK RECORD,
THEY COULD ACCESS THE MONEY. AND
THE HOPE IS, AS IT HAS WORKED
WITH SOME OF THOSE PHILANTHROPIC
GRANTS THAT YOU GET A GRANT. YOU
ESTABLISH THE ORGANIZATION. YOU
SHOW THAT YOU'RE CREDIBLE AND
THEN THAT IT'S LIKE SEED MONEY
THAT ATTRACTS MORE GRANTS OR
EVEN MEMBERSHIPS. THERE ARE, UM
ONLINE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS THAT
HAVE STARTED WITH GRANT MONEY
AND THEN HAVE YOU KNOW, MANAGED
TO SUSTAIN THEMSELVES, MAINLY
THROUGH MEMBERSHIPS,
SUBSCRIPTIONS, UH AND
CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OTHER
SOURCES. SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT.
SEED MONEY OR GIVING THEM A
START. OR IN THIS CASE, UH,
BOOST AFTER THEY'VE STARTED
THEMSELVES AND SHOWN THAT
THEY'RE CREDIBLE. THIS MONEY
WOULD GIVE HIM WHETHER IT'S TWO
YEARS, FOUR YEARS. BUT ENOUGH TO
REALLY SPREAD THEIR WINGS AND
SAY WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING
HERE. WE'RE SERVING PEOPLE AND
ATTRACT OTHER SUPPORT. AND YOU
SAID THAT THE THIS IS TYPICAL.
UM WE DONE IN PRIVATE IN TERMS
OF THROUGH PHILANTHROPIC WAYS.
AND SO THE STATE HAS NOT ENGAGED
IN THIS IN ANY WAY. THIS IS
PIONEERING IN A SENSE IN THAT
REGARD AND THE REFERENCE TO, UM
THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO THE
ARTS COUNCIL, WHICH IS SIMILAR
TO THE AMENDMENTS FROM UM, THE
COMMITTEE. I'M I AM CONCERNED
ABOUT THE 5013 C AND A COUPLE OF
WAYS NOT MAJOR CONCERNS, BUT ONE
IS ON THE LIKE INTO THE ART
COUNCIL. I THINK WITH ART IT'S
ONE TIME. RIGHT SO ONE TIME
PIECE OF ART THAT YOU'RE FUNDING
OR A PROJECT. IT'S NOT
NECESSARILY ONGOING, UM, FUNDING
AND I THINK THAT WOULD A
NEWSPAPER OR AN ONLINE MEDIA
ENTITY OR ANY KIND OF THAT IT IS
IT IS, BY DEFINITION ONGOING.
IT'S NOT A ONE TIME PROJECT IN
THEORY, AND SO I GET THE CONCEPT
OF SEED MONEY. UM AND. IN
BRINGING IT, UM AND ALLOWING
SOMEONE TO START OR START AFTER
TWO YEARS OF VIABILITY TO ALLOW
THEM TO KEEP GOING TO BRIDGE SO
TO SPEAK A SEED THAT BRIDGES TO
STAY LONGER AND TO GET THAT, UM
, MEMBERSHIP, BUT YOU KNOW WHEN
YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE
ORGANIZATIONS AND OPPOSITIONS,
THEY EXIST RIGHT NOW, RIGHT AND
THEY'RE STRUGGLING IN THIS
REGARD AND DWINDLING IN THIS
REGARD, AND SO, UM, WHAT IS THE
BEST WAY TO HELP THEM GO FORWARD
, AND I THINK THAT THE STATE HAS
BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF FREE
MEDIA. ACROSS UM YOU KNOW ALL
THE THINGS THAT THEY DO, AND SO
IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
US TO, UM, FUN THESE THROUGH
ACTUALLY WORK THROUGH
ADVERTISING AND WHAT WHAT WE
WHAT WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE TO
THESE COMMUNITIES AND
COMMUNICATE. AND GET OUR
INFORMATION OUT INSTEAD OF
RELYING ON IT BEING A REPORTER
AND FREE AND ALL OF THAT STUFF
THAT ACTUALLY INVESTING IN
THESE, UM AND THESE PAPERS, I
THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. SO I
GET THE INTENT, AND I THINK IT
IS LADEN WITH GOOD INTENT. BUT I
WORRY ABOUT IS IT ALSO GOOD
POLICY FOR US TO INTERVENE IN
THISWAY, AND THAT'S THAT IS MY,
UM THAT IS MY CONCERN. AND SO AS
I TOLD SENATOR GLACIER, UM, LAST
NIGHT I SAID, I DON'T UM IT'S
SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW ON AT
THE HIGH LEVEL, I COULD SEE THE
THOUGHT PROCESS AND WOULD LIKE
TO SUPPORT. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING
THAT WOULD, UM, OUTSTANDING.
THAT IS SO EGREGIOUS. THAT MAKES
ME OPPOSED. BUT THE ONE THING
I'VE HAD THIS HESITATION AND
PART OF IT IS BECAUSE WHAT I HAD
BEFORE ME AS WE WERE TALKING
THROUGH HAD CHANGED. AND THEN
WHEN I GET HERE, THERE'S EVEN
MORE CHANGES, WHICH I THOUGHT
AND HOSTAGE CHAIR TO CLARIFY
THAT THEY DID SAY. STRIKEOUT,
CALIFORNIA OWNED. YES THAT WAS
AN AMENDMENT REQUESTED BY THE
PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION AND AS WE
MOVE FORWARD, IF THIS COMMITTEE
AGAIN WE LTD. OUR ORIGINAL
BUILDING, CALIFORNIA OWNED
PUBLISHERS SAID THEY WOULD
OPPOSE THE BILL THAT REMAINED IN
IT, SO THEY'RE CONTINUING TO
OPPOSE THE BILL. YOU ALL OAN
THIS BILL? YEAH RIGHT MAJORITY
OF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD PREFER
IT TO BE CALIFORNIA OWNED. I
PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT SENATOR
GLASER WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. YES
SO I I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT
HAVE TO HAPPEN AFTER THE FACT
AND, UM AND WE'RE DOWN TO THE
END. AND SO IT IS. TOWNS ART, SO
I DON'T SO I FEEL HESITANT TO
YOU KNOW, SUPPORT SOMETHING
THAT'S NOT FULLY BAKED, AND I
DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT
SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SAY
CALIFORNIA OWNED, UM JUST
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN OTHER
COMMITTEES, AND THIS IS MY THREE
MONTH ANNIVERSARY. ALMOST BUT
ALL THE OTHER COMMITTEES
EVERYBODY'S LIKE BY CALIFORNIA
BY CALIFORNIA BY CALIFORNIA SO
WITH PRODUCTS AND ALL THESE
OTHER STUFF INTO THE GOOD TO
FIND OUT THAT WE MIGHT GIVE
MONEY TO NON CALIFORNIA OWNED,
UM, MEDIA ENTITIES SEEMS
COUNTERINTUITIVE TO EVERY OTHER
COMMITTEE I'VE BEEN IN SO
DEFINITELY IF THAT IS PART OF
THE LANGUAGE CAN'T SUPPORT THAT
, BUT I STILL AM CONCERNED ABOUT
ALL THE TWISTING AND TURNING AND
I GET THAT THERE'S $25 MILLION
IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE
TIMING OF THE WAY WE DO THINGS.
THERE'S $25 MILLION ALLOCATED TO
THIS AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE THAT WE CAN USE THE
25,000,002 GOOD TO MAKE SURE
THAT OUR MEDIA COMPANIES,
ESPECIALLY THOSE OF COLOR ARE
SUPPORTED. THAT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT. UM BECAUSE I THINK
THAT AS WE SAW THINK IT WAS
NOTED THAT YOU KNOW, IN THE
PANDEMIC THAT IS WHERE WE NEEDED
TO REACH. THAT WAS WHERE WE AS A
GOVERNMENT AT ALL LEVELS, STATE
OR FEDERAL, BUT STATE IN THE
CALIFORNIA FROM STATE ALL THE
WAY DOWN TO LOCAL NEEDED TO
REACH OUT TO THOSE ALREADY
EXISTING PUBLICATIONS. OR MEDIA
OUTLETS TO BE ABLE TO GET A
MESSAGE OUT ABOUT VACCINATIONS
ABOUT WHAT TO DO IN TERMS OF
REGARDING ALL ASPECTS OF THE
PANDEMIC. ACCESS TO FOOD
RESOURCES, EVERYTHING SO IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE
INVESTMENT IS JUST HOW DO WE DO
IT? AND HOW DO WE DO IT IN A
SUSTAINABLE WAY? I REALLY THINK
IT'S THROUGH MAKING SURE THE
STATE PAYS FOR THE INFORMATION
THEY WANT TO GET OUT IN THE
COMMUNITY AND USING THESE
OUTLETS TO LASERS FULLY SUPPORTS
INCREASING THE STATE'S OUTREACH
EFFORTS AND SETTING ASIDE A
PORTION WHETHER IT'S 25% OR 50%
TO BE DETERMINED. FOR THOSE
MEDIA OUTLETS BECAUSE WHEN THE
STATE HAS A MESSAGE TO DELIVER,
IT'S DEFINITELY BEST AND ONLY
DONE THROUGH ADVERTISING LIP
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
JOURNALISM AND REPORTING HERE.
BUT I THINK WE CAN DO BOTH. BOTH
ARE CRITICAL, UH TO THE FUTURE
OF DEMOCRACY, AND THE
ADVERTISING IS CRITICAL TO THE
FUTURE OF THESE PUBLICATIONS, SO
HE WOULD BE A BIG SUPPORTER OF
THAT. I DIDN'T WANT TO ADD
SOMETHING ON THE GRANT VERSUS
THE ADVERTISING REVENUE, AT
LEAST FOR THE LATINO MEDIA. OUR
EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT IN
THEORY AT REVENUE AD ADVERTISING
DOLLARS ARE GREAT. WE WELCOME
THOSE BUT IN PRACTICE, IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT FOR OUR OUTLETS TO
REACH. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A
PRESENCE IN SACRAMENTO SMALL
OUTLETS ALL ACROSS THE STATE. AH
AND WE'VE SEEN THAT TARGETED
FUNDING EITHER THROUGH GRANTS OR
WHETHER IT'S THE CENSUS OR
WHETHER IT'S COVID OUTREACH
THAT'S TARGETED. THERE HAS
SPECIFIC TEETH TO REACH THOSE
COMMUNITIES. AND THAT'S WHAT
THIS GRANT PROGRAM PROVIDES,
ACTUALLY DO REACH. OUR
COMMUNITIES HAD RVENUES WHEN
IT'S JUST THROWN INTO PARTICULAR
DEPARTMENTS. THERE'S A MY RATE
OF DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE STATE
ARE OUT. LET'S JUST FIND IT
INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO REACH
THOSE RESOURCES. THERE'S
HUNDREDS OF DEPARTMENTS OR
DOZENS OF DEPARTMENTS, MEDIA
AGENCIES GET THOSE DOLLARS.
THESE ARE PRIVATE MEDIA
AGENCIES. THERE'S MANY OF THEM
YOU HAVE MEDIA OUTLETS HAVE TO
BASICALLY BID FOR THESE PEOPLE.
LOT OF TIMES. IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT SO AND UNTIL WE FIGURE
OUT A BETTER WAY TO ENSURE THAT
THOSE AD DOLLARS ACTUALLY REACH
OUR COMMUNITIES, THESE GRANT
PROGRAMS AS WE'VE SEEN IN
MULTIPLE EXAMPLES OVER THE LAST
FEW YEARS ARE THE BEST WAY TO
REACH OUR COMMUNITIES. AND SO I
THINK IT'S A COMMON. IT'S A
MIXED BAG. WE SEE THAT THE
ADVERTISING DOLLARS ARE A STRONG
SOLUTION. WE NEED TO TAKE
MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THOSE
DOLLARS CAN REACH OUR
COMMUNITIES. BUT THESE GRANT
PROGRAMS ARE ALSO CRITICAL. WE
DON'T SEE IT AS ONE SOLUTION. WE
NEED TO HAVE A COMPLEX SET OF
SOLUTIONS. SO THAT'S THE ONLY
THING MADAM CHAIR. WE'RE HAPPY
TO STAY ALL DAY AND ANSWER EVERY
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS OF EVERY
ONE OF THE MEMBERS. BUT UM YOU
KNOW, IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE, BUT
ALSO IF YOU IF THE BUILDING
MOVES FORWARD, CLEARLY THE
COMMITTEE IS GOING TO WANT TO
RETAIN YOU NO AUTHORITY OVER IT
IN ANY CHANGES THAT ARE MADE,
YOU KNOW, WILL HAVE TO SATISFY
YOU AND THE COMMITTEE AS I
LISTENED, AND I KNOW AND I DO
WANT TO GIVE, YOU KNOW OUR OTHER
MEMBERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK
QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK THERE
ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. UM ONE
SUGGESTION THAT ACTUALLY I WANT
TO MAKE IS AGAIN SHOULD THIS
BILL MOVE FROM THIS HEARING. I
THINK THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST
ME. YOU KNOW, UH SENATOR GLAZER
AND THE OPPOSITION TRYING TO
COME AROUND THE TABLE. I THINK
THAT WE OWE IT TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS TO COME BACK WITH THE
YOU KNOW, VERSION 2.0 OF THIS
BECAUSE THERE'S THERE ARE TOO
MANY THINGS. THAT ARE UNCLEAR.
RIGHT NOW. I THINK TO TOO MANY
OF OUR OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS,
SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT I DO
WANT TO, UH, THINK REQUEST AS A
POINT OF FOLLOW UP, AND I THINK
THAT MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO
SCHEDULE A SPECIAL HEARING. FOR
THE COMMITTEE IN ADVANCE OF
APPROPRIATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT
UM WHATEVER WE BAKE, PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND. WHAT WHAT WE ARE
ADVANCING BEFORE IT CUTS THROUGH
APPROPRIATION. SO THAT'S I THINK
ONE THING THAT I WANT TO WANT TO
REQUEST AND MR PATTERSON THINK
ABOUT THE CHAIR. I THINK PART OF
THE REASON WE ARE HAVING THE
DIFFICULTY THAT WE ARE. IS
BECAUSE I THINK YOU TESTIFIED.
POUNDING UP. ROUND PEG INTO A
SQUARE HOLE. I HAVE 30 YEARS
EXPERIENCE IN BROADCASTING OWNED
AND OPERATED RADIO STATIONS IN
CALIFORNIA AND IDAHO. I HAVE PUT
TOGETHER A LOT OF NEWSROOMS AND
COMPETED FOR ADVERTISING DOLLARS
IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THE
IDEA OF HAVING ESSENTIALLY A
POLITICAL BODY IN THE NEWSROOM
IS REPUGNANT TO ME. HAVING SAID
THAT? UM. THE EFFORT TO TRY AND
FIX THAT FUNDAMENTAL FLAW.
SURFACE IS A NON PROFIT. MODEL.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT. APPOINTEES
WHETHER THEY'RE POLITICAL OR NOT
ON THE NONPROFIT WILL, IN FACT,
BRING THEIR POLITICS TO THE
TABLE. AND WE ARE SETTING UP. A
SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH
THERE WILL BE POLITICAL AGENDAS
. WRESTLING MATCHES, FAVORITISM
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS DEALS. THIS
IS WRONG. FUNDAMENTALLY, IT'S
FLAWED. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO
BE VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS HERE. SO
I MEAN, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS ON
A ON A FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE.
NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO. I DO
THINK THAT THE CHAIR IS TRYING
TO MAKE AN EFFORT HERE. I WANT
TO SUPPORT THAT. I'M NOT GOING
TO VOTE FOR IT TODAY. AH BUT I
DO THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE. IS IF WE COULD GET TO A
PLACE WHERE THE GENERAL GOOD
INTENTIONS REMAIN, BUT THE
CONCERNS OVER THE POLITICIZATION
OF DECISION MAKING AND
FAVORITISM WITH RESPECT TO HOW
IT'S DOLED OUT. I JUST DON'T
THINK THAT THAT DOES NOT BELONG
IN NEWSROOMS. IN NEWSROOMS. THE
DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE BY
THOSE WHO ARE ON THE GROUND.
YOU'RE ON THE FRONT LINES.
YOU'VE BEEN IN THOSE COMMUNITIES
A LONG TIME. AND I MIGHT ADD
THAT TO MY RADIO STATIONS UP
UNTIL, UM I THINK ABOUT 2015 IN
FRESNO, UH, WERE HISPANIC
LANGUAGE AS WELL TALKS. STATION
AS WELL. AND SO I HAVE EXPRESSED
THE CONCERN HERE. BUT I THINK,
UH, I REALLY LIVED THIS FOR 30
YEARS. AND THE WAY THAT I THINK. PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO
RECOGNIZE. IS THAT THE
LOCALIZATION OF LOCAL NEWS IS
ABSOLUTELY VITAL AND IMPORTANT,
AND IN FACT OVER THE AIR AM
BROADCASTING HAS BEEN SALVAGED,
FRANKLY COMPETITIVELY. UH,
VIABLE. BECAUSE OF LOCALIZATION.
AND I THINK. WHEN YOU'RE IN THE
COMMUNITY AND YOUR FRONT FACING
IT. AND YOU KNOW? WHAT NEEDS TO
BE SAID. AND I THINK THAT
THERE'S GOT TO BE IF WE'RE GOING
TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS SOME WAY
THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DE
POLITICIZE THIS AND MAKE SURE
THAT THE TEMPTATION TO BRING
ONES. POLITICAL. POINT OF VIEW.
WE HAVE ALSO HEARD SOME LANGUAGE
ABOUT DEMOCRACY DYING AND WE
NEED TO GET OUR MESSAGE OUT.
THAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH
DEMOCRACY. USING STATE FUNDS TO
GET OUR MESSAGE OUT. THAT'S
FUNDAMENTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH
A FREE PRESS AND WITH
ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE
ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES TO BE
THAT THAT VOICE FOR THE
COMMUNITY SO THIS IS NOT READY
FOR PRIME TIME AND I CAN'T
SUPPORT IT. CHAIR. JUST JUST A
POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO MAKE
SURE THERE'S NO AND WE GET
SECURITY OF WHAT I SAID IN TERMS
OF GETTING A MESSAGE OUT. I
MEAN, WHEN THE THEM THE STATE
HAS A MESSAGE TO GIVE WHERE AND
I CAN'T PUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF
LIKE VACCINATIONS, OUTREACH, ALL
THAT KIND OF STUFF WHEN WE HAVE
THOSE KIND OF INFORMATION TO GET
OUT. UM WE NOT ONLY RELY ON
THOSE LITTLE ADS, BUT WE ALSO
RELY ON REPORTERS, AND WE HAVE
THOSE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS SO
YOU CAN WRITE THOSE COLUMNS
ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY. AS A
STATE. SO WHAT? I'M SAYING
MESSAGING. I'M NOT SAYING IT IN
POLITICAL CONTEXT. I JUST WANT
TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY
IN THE ROOM THAT THE MESSAGING
I'M TALKING ABOUT IS NOT
POLITICAL IN ANY NATURE, BUT THE
STATE DOES HAVE INFORMATION THAT
IT NEEDS IN COMMUNITIES. AND
THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
HAVE THOSE PAID COLUMNS WHICH I
SEE IN MY LOCAL PAPER, AND THAT
OF WHERE PEOPLE HAVE A COLUMN
THAT'S PAID. UM AND IT'S CLEARLY
IDENTIFIED AS SUCH, AND IT IS A
FORM OF ADVERTISING, BUT IT DOES
HAVE A MESSAGE. AND SO I DO. I
DO THINK THAT THE STATE HAS A
VIEWPOINT IN REGARD TO THE
ISSUES OF CONCERN THAT ARE NON
POLITICAL, A POLITICAL ABOUT
WHAT THE STATE IS DOING, AND IT
IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR
COMMUNITIES. TO BE ENGAGED AND
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
THE STATE SO THAT THEY CAN HOLD
THE STATE ACCOUNTABLE. UM, AND
IF THEY ARE CONCERNED WITH A
MESSAGE THAT THE STATE HAS THEY
CAN TALK TO THEIR POLITICAL
LEADERS ABOUT IT, OR WHOEVER
THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE. BE
ABLE TO SAY WAIT. I DON'T LIKE
THAT. I DON'T THAT DOESN'T AGREE
WITH ME. BUT I THINK THINK THE
MESSAGE THAT THE STATE HAS A
MESSAGE. UM HAS INFORMATION THAT
IT NEEDS TO GET OUT IN THE
COMMUNITY AND THEY CAN DO THAT
IN A POLITICAL WAY, AND THAT'S
IMPORTANT AND I DON'T WANT IT TO
BE ABOUT UM, POLITICS, AND THAT
WASN'T MY INTENTION WITH THE
STATEMENT, SO IF THERE'S ANY
CONFUSION TO THAT, IT'S
CLARIFIED. UNDERSTAND AND I
APPRECIATE THAT. BUT IMPLICIT IN
THE CONVERSATION AS IT WAS BEGUN
BY THE ADVOCATES HERE. THE
IMPLICATION IS THAT THERE ARE
MESSAGES THAT ARE FALSE. THERE
ARE MESSAGES THAT ARE TRUE AND
SOMEBODY'S GOING TO MAKE A
DECISION ABOUT WHO'S TRUE AND
WHOSE FAULTS AND YOU GET INTO
THAT KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCE IN THE
NEWSROOM. THAT'S JUST THAT'S
JUST UTTERLY UNACCEPTABLE. UM
YES, AND I THINK YEAH, THANK YOU
FOR CLARIFYING THAT, AND I THINK
IT'S CERTAINLY SAFE TO SAY THAT
ALL MEMBERS OF THE DIOCESE
STRONGLY STRONGLY CONCUR. WITH
THAT THAT VIEWPOINT? UM I THINK
THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION. SORRY
WE'RE WHERE I BELIEVE THAT MR
PATTERSON RAISED A POINT OR
QUESTION THAT MR MR POST. COP.
MR COBB. WHY DID I THINK, MR
POST WASHINGTON POST? YOU CAN
POST THAT? YES. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE
CONCERNS RAISED. RAISED BY, UM.
MR PATTERSON AND WILSON AND
MEDINA AS WELL AS YOU I WOULD
REQUEST THAT YOU HOLD APPROVAL.
OF THE BILL TODAY BECAUSE I
UNDERSTAND THAT GLASER'S NEW
RECOMMENDATION OF 25 MILLION IS
MUCH LOWER THAN THE ORIGINAL 50
MILLION. WHICH I THINK IS A MOVE
TO GET IT THROUGH FOR BUDGET
REASONS, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S
STILL TIED TO THE BOARD
REQUIREMENT OF 911 THAT WAS
ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. AND I
HAPPEN TO AGREE PHILOSOPHICALLY
WITH MR PATTERSON OR AS TO HOW
DO YOU DETERMINE HOW DO YOU
SEPARATE UM, THE ROLE OF
GOVERNMENT IN DETERMINING NEWS
ORGANIZATIONS AND OUR THEME SONG
WILL BE FOR EVERY MEDIA AIN'T
TOO PROUD TO BEG BECAUSE EVERY
ONE OF US WILL BE LINING UP TO
FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET OUR
NEWS MEDIA WELFARE CHECK. AH SO
WE CAN STAY IN EXISTENCE. UM
I'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FIGHT
SINCE I MARCHED ACROSS THE SELMA
BRIDGE WITH MARTIN LUTHER KING
AND 65. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF
ITERATIONS. UM OF WHAT HAS
HAPPENED TO MY MINORITY MEDIA
THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, AND I HOPE
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT SENATOR
GLASER STAFF IS SAYING THEY'RE
WILLING TO TALK NOW I THINK THAT
YOUR URGING AND LEADERSHIP IN
YOUR QUESTIONS HAS CAUSED, UM,
AN ATTITUDE OF WILLINGNESS TO
LISTEN BECAUSE A LOT OF THE
SOLUTIONS THAT WERE THAT ARE
BEING TOSSED ABOUT IN THIS
SESSION WERE DISCUSSED EARLIER
BUT WERE NOT CONSIDERED. IN THE
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TERRITORY, SO
I THINK THAT THIS COLLABORATION
COULD BE HEALTHY. I HOPE YOU
HOLD THE BILL GIVE A TIME FOR
ALL OF THOSE PRO AND CON. TO
MAKE A CONTRIBUTION, BUT I WANT
TO SAY TO YOU THAT GOVERNMENT
SPENDS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THEY
DON'T CALL IT ADVERTISING. THEY
CALL IT PLACEMENT OF PUBLIC
NOTICE. MONEY'S SO WHEN PEOPLE
ARE REQUIRED TO FILE STATE SALE
NOTICES WHEN PEOPLE DO
FICTITIOUS BUSINESS
ANNOUNCEMENTS WHEN THERE IS A
REQUIREMENT FOR CALTRANS PUBLIC
HEARING, THEY SPEND DOLLARS IN
PLACE IT IN MEDIA MOST OF THAT
MONEY 95% OF THAT MONEY GOES TO
THE GENERAL WHITE MEDIA, AND IT
DOESN'T GO IF WE GOT OUR FAIR
SHARE, WE WOULD NEED TO ASK FOR
25 MILLION. THERE'S MORE THAN
$25 MILLION WITHIN THE GARMENTS
WITHIN THE SKIRTS OF THE
GARMENTS OF THE OF THE STATE'S
BUDGET. SO WE PROPOSED THAT THE
GLAZER THEY DID NOT WANT TO HEAR
IT AND DID NOT WANT TO PURSUE
THAT. AND UH SO I AGREE THAT WE
HAVE TO IF WE WANT TO PROTECT
DEMOCRACY, AND IF WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PUBLIC
TRANSPARENCY AND ACCESS THEN WE
SHOULD SHARE AND LOCALIZE THE
EXPENDITURE AND PLACEMENT OF
PUBLIC DOLLARS FOR PUBLIC NOTICE
PURPOSES. AND THAT WOULD BE A
MAJOR REVENUE GENERATOR THINK
AND I WOULD CHAIR THAT YOU WOULD
, UH, ENTERTAIN THOSE KIND OF
DISCUSSIONS AND INCLUSIONS AS A
REQUIREMENT TO GO WITH GLAZERS
BILL GOING FORWARD TO, UH,
APPROPRIATION. WHAT'S THE NEXT
APPROPRIATIONS APPROPRIATE AND
I'M JUST GONNA, UM THAT IT DID.
MR LACKEY. DID YOU HAVE YOUR
OKAY, OKAY. GREAT GREAT. SO
ACTUALLY WHAT? I WHAT I WANT TO
DO, AND I THINK WE CAN DO THIS.
SO I THINK WE I WANT TO. I WANT
TO PAUSE FOR A MOMENT ON THIS.
I'VE ASKED MY STAFF TO GO SPEAK
WITH THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE TO
UNDERSTAND SOME OF OUR OPTIONS.
UM, JUST FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE
AND PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, UH,
LIKE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT
FOLKS ARE PREPARED TO TAKE A
VOTE ON THIS RIGHT NOW. SO I
WANT TO WANT TO PAUSE. MY GOAL
WOULD BE THAT WE CAN HAVE A
FOLLOW UP HEARING. WHERE WE
ACTUALLY REVIEW THE AMENDED
BELL. RATHER THAN. KIND OF, YOU
KNOW, A CONCEPT THAT WE'RE MAYBE
GOING TO MEND SOMETHING AND TRY
TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE I DON'T
WANT TO PUT PEOPLE IN THAT SPOT,
SO I HAVE ASKED COMMITTEE STAFF
TO GO, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE CAN
IF WE CAN DO THAT, UM, SO IF WE
CAN PRESS THE PAUSE BUTTON ON
THIS AND, UM MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT
ITEM. AND UM, MR WEINTRAUB, WE
CAN EITHER LET BRING YOU BACK TO
THE HEARING ROOM WHEN WE HAVE
SOME CLARITY AND CAN CAN, YOU
KNOW, RESUME THIS CONVERSATION?
UM OKAY, ALRIGHT. GREAT I JUST
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
UNDERSTAND, UM EVERYTHING THAT'S
ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AT OUR
DISPOSAL SO THAT WE CAN
UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY
ADVANCING. BEFORE WE DO, SO I
JUST CLOSED BRIEFLY OR OH, YES.
WELL, I WAS GONNA LET YOU CLOSE
ONCE WE FIGURE THAT JUST JUST A
NOTE. UM. I THINK THE BILL WITH
THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THAT YOU'VE
MADE IN THE ANALYSIS IS A LOT
CLEARER THAN SOME OF THE FOLKS
WHO HAVE SPOKEN OR TRYING TO
THROW A LOT OF EXTRANEOUS ISSUES
INTO IT. AND SO I ACTUALLY I'M
PRETTY CONFIDENT IN THE CENTER
IS PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT, UM,
ISN'T IT JUST ISN'T AS DIFFICULT
AS PEOPLE FEAR AND THERE ARE
OTHER MODELS AND I THINK WITH
YOUR GUIDANCE AND THE
COMMITTEE'S INPUT AH, ALL THE
STAKEHOLDERS WILL BE ABLE TO
COME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD
PROGRAM OVER THE RECESS AND NAIL
THIS DOWN. OKAY? GREAT I
CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THAT IS THE
CASE THEN, AND AS I SAID, WE
WILL. AND I JUST WANT TO. I WANT
TO. I WANT TO COMMEND THE CHAIR,
FRANKLY. AND I WANT TO COMMEND
THE MEMBERS. SOMETIMES I FEEL
LIKE WE DON'T REALLY DO THE DUE
DILIGENCE OF OUR POLICY
COMMITTEES, AND WE KIND OF
RUSHED THROUGH STUFF. THIS ONE
IS TAKING ITS TIME BECAUSE OF
THE ISSUES AT STAKE. I
APPRECIATE WHAT THE CHAIR IS
ATTEMPTING TO DO. I WANT TO JOIN
IN THAT EFFORT AND LET'S SEE IF
WE CAN GET TO A PLACE. AND I
JUST WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS
FOR THE SERIOUS NATURE IN WHICH
THEY HAVE REVIEWED THIS. AH
THAT'S WHAT THESE COMMITTEES ARE
FOR, AND I THIS WAS A GOOD
EXAMPLE OF THAT EFFORT. I THINK.
THANK YOU, MR VICE CHAIR. ALL
RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE
ON THAT AND MOVE ON TO SENATOR
EMBURGH FILE ITEM ONE. OKAY? AH!
SENATOR WHENEVER YOU ARE READY
THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. YOU
HAVE BEFORE YOU SP 34 THIS BILL.
IS A VERY SIMPLE BILL. IT'S
SIMPLY CLARIFIES THAT A CONTRACT
ENTERED INTO A PUBLIC AGENT
WHO'S VIOLATING THE PENAL CODE
IN PARTICULAR BEING BRIBED. THAT
CONTRACT IS VOID. AND AS THE
CHAIR KNOWS THIS EMANATES FROM A
SITUATION IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
UH THE CITY OF ANAHEIM. WHERE IF
YOU READ 150 PAGE FBI AFFIDAVIT,
YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE MAYOR WHO
WAS DESIGNATED AS THE SOLE
NEGOTIATING OFFICIAL TO, UM SELL
ANAHEIM STADIUM AND ITS ENVIRONS
, UH, APPEARS TO BE ACTING IN
HIS OWN PERSONAL INTEREST. IF
NOT BEING, UM, INDUCED BY
CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS DIRECTLY
INDUCED BY CAMPAIGN
CONTRIBUTIONS TO SELL ANAHEIM
STADIUM IN MY VIEW, AT A VALUE
WELL BELOW FAIR MARKET VALUE. IN
IN CONTRAVENTION OF THE SURPLUS
LANDS ACT. SO UM, THAT'S ALL
THIS BILL DOES, IT SIMPLY SAYS
IF YOU'RE ELECTED OFFICIAL OR
EXCUSE ME, A PUBLIC OFFICIAL AND
YOU'RE ACTING IN VIOLATION OF
THE LAW. UM, THAT THAT CONTRACT
IS VOID. THANK YOU, SENATOR. AND
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY
PRIMARY WITNESSES. OKAY MANY,
MANY PEOPLE IN SUPPORT, BUT NONE
OF THEM HERE TO TESTIFY ANYONE
IN THE ROOM WISHING TO TESTIFY
IN SUPPORT OF SB 34? SEEN ON
ANYONE IN THE ROOM WISHING TO
TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION TO SB 34.
SEEN NONE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? ALL
RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM
SOME OTHER MEMBER RODRIGUEZ,
SECOND FROM VICE CHAIR,
PATTERSON. AH, SENATOR LIKE TO
CLOSE. YES, AND I VOTE. THANK
YOU, SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. BETWEEN NORRIS AYE.
PATERSON. GREAT. LACKEY. MEDINA.
RODRIGUEZ. WILSON. 40 WILL LEAVE
THAT OPEN FOR OTHER MEMBERS TO
ADD ON. THANK YOU, SENATOR. OKAY
NOW WE ARE, UH, MOVING. TO FILE
ITEMS THREE OR LET'S SEE. WHERE
IS OUR WHERE'S MY AGENDA? WE'VE
GOT SENATOR BECKER. LET'S SEE.
SENATOR BECKER IS JOINING US
HIGHLIGHTING FOR SP 12. OH
THREE. SENATOR WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS. THIS IS REALLY ABOUT SP
12 03. IS HAVING THE STATE
GOVERNMENT SET AN EXAMPLE. BUT
IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE REST
OF THE ECONOMY TO BE NET ZERO BY
2045. THE STATE SHOULD LEAD THE
WAY. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS
IS. THIS BILL IS ABOUT, UH, THE
STATE WILL. IT'S A NET ZERO
TARGET, SO THIS IS NOT ZERO. THE
STATE WILL HAVE TO CONFRONT THE
SAME TRADE OFFS. THAT THE REST
ECONOMY IS GOING TO CONFRONT. IT
WILL, HOWEVER, LEVERAGE OUR
PURCHASING POWER IN VEHICLES AND
BUILDINGS IN ELECTRICITY. BY
COMPARISON, THE UC SYSTEM HAS A
NET ZERO TARGET OF 2025. SO
OBVIOUSLY THE NET ZERO TARGET IS
ACHIEVABLE. WE'LL SEE HOW THEY
ACHIEVE IT. HOW MUCH OF IT IS
GENERIC DIRECT EMISSIONS
REDUCTIONS, HOW MUCH OF IT ENDS
UP BEING OFFSETS? BUT THAT IS A
2025 TARGET, WHICH THEY WILL
ACHIEVE MAYBE 70 30. MAYBE 60 40
, BUT THAT'S A 2025 TARGET, AND
WE'LL SEE OURS IS OBVIOUSLY 10
YEARS AFTER THAT THEY ADOPTED
THERE'S YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 10
YEARS AGO. UM SO, UM, I JUST
WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT
A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO
DIFFERENT FOLKS MAKING SURE THAT
WE WORK WITH THE RIGHT AGENCIES
AND, UM, THAT WE LEVERAGE. YOU
KNOW WHAT'S ALREADY GOING ON
HERE IN OUR STATE GOVERNMENT.
AND THIS ISN'T MAKING PART OF
THE CLIMATE WORKING GROUP
PACKAGE AFTER A LOT OF
DISCUSSIONS ON OUR SIDE, UM AND
WITH THAT TERM FOR MY EXPERT AND
RESPECTFULLY ASKED HER I VOTED
APPROPRIATE TIME. THANK YOU,
SENATOR BECKER. GOOD MORNING
CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
I'M CAITLIN RUDNER SUTTER,
SENIOR MANAGER FOR US CLIMATE
AND ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND.
PDF IS AN INTERNATIONAL
ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCACY
ORGANIZATION WORKING AT THE
INTERSECTION OF SCIENCE, LAW AND
ECONOMICS TO SOLVE SOME OF THE
MOST CHALLENGING ENVIRONMENTAL
PROBLEMS. WE HAVE ABOUT A DOZEN
OFFICES AROUND THE WORLD AND
OVER HALF A MILLION MEMBERS HERE
IN CALIFORNIA, AND I AM VERY
PLEASED TO BE HERE TODAY TO
SUPPORT SENATOR BECKER'S SB 12
03 TO ESTABLISH A PLANNING GOAL
FOR ALL STATE AGENCIES TO
ACHIEVE NET ZERO EMISSIONS. BY
2035. SP 12 OH, THREE REALLY IS
A PRAGMATIC STEP TOWARD
ACHIEVING NET ZERO GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS ECONOMY WIDE. UM A
GOAL THAT MATCHES THE GLOBAL
SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS THAT WE
NEED TO REMOVE MORE POLLUTION
THAN WE ARE EMITTING BY MID
CENTURY TO AVOID THE WORST
IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. BY
ASKING STATE AGENCIES TO
INVENTORY THEIR EMISSIONS FROM
SOURCES OWNED OR CONTROLLED BY
THE GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS
ELECTRICITY PURCHASED BY THE
STATE AND TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO
MEET THOSE TARGETS. CALIFORNIA
WILL TAKE A BIG STEP FORWARD AND
UNDERSTANDING HOW TO ULTIMATELY
ACHIEVE NET ZERO ECONOMY WIDE.
UM AGENCIES CAN HELP IDENTIFY
GAPS IN ACCOUNTING REPORTING AND
ULTIMATELY REDUCING GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS, WHICH WILL IN
TURN PROVIDE IMPORTANT LESSONS
AND STRATEGIES FOR BUSINESSES.
INSTITUTIONS AND EVEN OTHER
GOVERNMENTS TO FOLLOW
CALIFORNIA'S LEAD. IMPORTANTLY
AS B 12 OH, THREE ALSO ALLOWS
FLEXIBILITY IN PLANNING FOR AND
ACHIEVING NET ZERO EMISSIONS.
UM, IT DOES NOT PICK WINNERS. IT
IS TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL APPROACH.
THAT LEAVES ALL OPTIONS ON THE
TABLE AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY
IMPORTANT AT THE PLANNING STAGE
OF ACHIEVING NET ZERO EMISSIONS
SO AGENCIES CAN DECIDE THE RIGHT
MIX OF STRATEGIES AND
TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE FEASIBLE.
COST EFFECTIVE AND IDEALLY
ACHIEVE DESIRED CO BENEFITS AS
WELL. THEN OF COURSE, THE
LEGISLATURE CAN DECIDE WHAT TO
FUND IN FUTURE APPROPRIATIONS.
UM SB 12. OH, THREE ALSO
DESIGNATES THE OFFICE OF
SUSTAINABILITY IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF GENERAL SERVICES IS A KEY
RESOURCE AND HELPING OTHER
AGENCIES WITH PLANNING AND
IMPLEMENTATION. WITH EFFORTS TO
REDUCE EMISSIONS ALREADY
UNDERWAY ACROSS A NUMBER OF
AGENCIES. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
TO MAXIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY AND
REDUCE REDUNDANCY AND PLANNING,
UM AND SO THEY CAN REALLY HELP
BE A CENTRAL HUB WITH EXPERTISE
IN HOW GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
ALREADY ACTUALLY FUNCTION. AND
THEN LASTLY, YOU KNOW, SENATOR
BECKER MENTIONED THIS REALLY
SUPPORTS THE STATE GOVERNMENT IN
IN LEARNING FROM ANOTHER LARGE
STATE ENTITY WHOSE WORKING
TOWARDS NET ZERO EMISSIONS AND
THAT'S THE UC SYSTEM. UM YOU
KNOW, THE STATE CAN REALLY
LEVERAGE EXPERIENCE FROM THE UCS
APPROACH WITHOUT HAVING TO START
FROM SCRATCH WELL, IN TURN,
CREATING MORE KNOWLEDGE AND
GUIDANCE FOR ECONOMY WIDE
DECARBONIZATION ON A LONGER TIME
HORIZON. UM SO THANK YOU,
SENATOR BECKER FOR INTRODUCING
THIS IMPORTANT AND PRAGMATIC
BILL TO FIGURE OUT THE HOW
BEHIND IMPORTANT CLIMATE GOALS
AND I RESPECTFULLY SK THE
COMMITTEE FOR I VOTES ON SB 12
03. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS
SUTTER. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE
ROOM WISHING TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF SB 12? OH, THREE.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MY NAME
IS DAN JACOBSON. WITH
ENVIRONMENT, CALIFORNIA STRONG
SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS ERICA ROMERO WITH NRDC
ACTION FUND AND CENTRAL COAST
ENERGY SERVICES AND STRONG
SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING TO
REMEMBER IS TIFFANY FAN ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
EFFICIENCY AND DEMAND MANAGEMENT
COUNCIL IN SUPPORT? THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, AMBER SANDALWOOD
THREATENED PRICE CONSULTING ON
BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. AND THERE IS NO UH,
OPPOSITION WITNESS. IS THERE
ANYONE IN THE ROOM WISHING TO
TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION? UH ON SP
12 03. SEE, NONE WILL TURN IT
BACK TO MEMBERS FOR ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SEEN AND
HEARING NONE. SENATOR BECKER.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? NO
THANK YOU. I THINK THIS WILL
SEND A VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE.
UM, AND AGAIN THE CHANCE FOR OUR
STATE GOVERNMENT TO WALK THE
WALK YOUR OWN DOG FOOD, WHATEVER
KNOWLEDGE WE WANT TO USE. I
THINK THIS IS THIS WILL JUST SAY
THAT WE'RE UM AGAIN. WE'RE
SERIOUS ABOUT THIS AND THAT
WE'RE GOING TO LEAD THE WAY. I
APPRECIATE, UH, I VOTE. RESPECT
THE ASTRONAUT VOTE. THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT LET'S BE 12. OH, THREE,
UM DO WE HAVE A EMOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WILSON, SECOND
FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RODRIGUEZ,
SECRETARY, IF YOU CAN PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. WITH THE MOTION
OF D PERSON REFERRED TO
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE UH SP
12. OH, THREE PETRIE-NORRIS.
PATERSON. GREAT. LUCKY. MEDINA.
RODRIGUEZ. WILSON. OKAY, 30,
THAT'S ON CALL AND WE'LL LEAVE
IT OPEN. THANK YOU. OKAY, MOVING
TO. SENATOR HERZBERG FILE ITEM
SEVEN. SB 14 22. GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. ALRIGHT
MOTION AND A SECOND. I'LL MAKE
IT SHORT. UM SURPRISE! SURPRISE,
EVERYONE. OFTEN WE PASS LAWS IN
THIS STATE BY THIS LEGISLATURE
SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR. AND THE
IMPLEMENTATION DOESN'T HAPPEN
APPROPRIATELY. I KNOW THAT'S
SHOCKING THAT WE WOULD OTHERWISE
SEE. AND SO OFTEN, WE, AS
LEGISLATORS NEED TO BE DILIGENT
TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IS THE
INTENT OF THE LAW IS ACTUALLY
ADHERED TO. AND SO WE HAVE HERE
IN CALIFORNIA REQUIREMENT FOR
SKILLED AND TRAINED WORKFORCE TO
ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE HIGHEST
LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE REQUIRED FOR
WORKERS WHO BUILT PUBLIC
PROJECTS. LIKE IF YOU LOOK
ACROSS THE STREET AND PEOPLE MAY
NOT LIKE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT
THE QUALITY OF THE OLD STREET
BUILDING IS QUITE EXTRAORDINARY
IN TERMS OF HOW THEY PUT IT
TOGETHER. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY,
AS I SUGGESTED, DESPITE THESE
CLEAR RULES, NOT ALL CONTRACTORS
ADHERE TO THAT WORKFORCE AND
WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS
MEASURES BASICALLY PUT IN SOME
SUSPENDERS ALONG WITH THOSE
BELTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE
AREAS OF CARPET RESILIENT
FLOORING, SYNTHETIC TURF FOR
LIGHTING FIXTURES. THAT WE DON'T
HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE, AS THEY
SAY IN THE MOVIES, IF THEY DON'T
FIX IT, WE'LL BE BACK. AT LEAST
MR SMITH WILL BE BACK. SO WE
HAVE HERE WITH US TODAY. MY
GREENLY WITH THE INTERNATIONAL
UNION OF PAINTERS AND ALLIED
TRADES AND ERIC ESPARZA. WITH
MIKE'S CUSTOM FLOORING. I
BELIEVE THAT NO. FROM THAT WAY.
I'M SORRY. ERIC HAD COVID LIKE
IT'S CRAZY AND ALSO THE OTHER
THING, MADAM CHAIR AND I
APOLOGIZE FOR THIS. I DON'T KNOW
IF IT'S JUST IN TERMS OF THE
PORTAL OR WHATEVER, BUT IT
INDICATES ONLY TWO SUPPORTERS OF
THIS MEASURE. AND I HAVE FOR THE
COMMITTEE IF YOU SO DESIRE IF
YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED OVER 30
ADDITIONAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
SENATOR HERTZBERG GIVEN TO THE
FILE FOR THE OKAY. TO PASS THEM
ON TO YOU. SO YOU HAVE THEM FOR
THE FILE. JUST SO WE HAVE IN THE
RECORD, BUT THAT THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. MORE CHARTER MEMBERS OF
COMMITTEE IS MIKE GREENLY AND
THE POLITICAL DIRECTOR AND LEAD
ORGANIZER FOR PAINTERS AND
ALLIED TRADES DISTRICT COUNCIL
16 COVERING NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
AND ALL OF NEVADA. IT'S BEEN 14
22 DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL
SERVICES CAN USE ALTERNATIVE
PROCUREMENT METHODS MAKE THEM
AVAILABLE TO LOCAL AGENCIES.
THESE METHODS INCLUDE CONTRACTS
, DIRECT INVOICES AND MASTER
AGREEMENTS, MULTIPLE AWARDS
SCHEDULES, COOPERATIVE
AGREEMENTS AND OTHER TYPES OF
AGREEMENTS WITH PRIVATE
SUPPLIERS TO LEVERAGE THE
STATE'S BUYING POWER FOR
ACQUISITIONS OF MATERIALS AND
INSTALLATION SERVICES. OFTEN ONE
OF THESE ALTERNATIVE PROCUREMENT
METHODS ARE USED. THE LABOR
PORTION IS HANDED OFF THE LOCAL
CONTRACTORS. THEY DON'T USUALLY
ADHERE TO THE LAWS AND
REGULATIONS REGARDING PUBLIC
WORKS AND WORKER PROTECTIONS
WITHOUT THE REQUIREMENT OF
REPORTING THESE CONTRACTS, IT
CAN BE DIFFICULT TO IMPOSSIBLE
TO MONITOR THESE TYPES OF
CONTRACTS. BY JOINT LABOR
MANAGEMENT COOPERATION
COMMITTEES WHEN TRYING TO ENSURE
WORKERS ARE BEING PAID CORRECTLY
AND PROTECTED FROM EXPLOITATION.
MANY TIMES THESE TYPES OF
CONTRACTS WE FIND THAT THE
CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN AWARDED. THE
PROJECT HAS SUBCONTRACTED LABOR
OUT TO CHEER WARNER CHURCHES
SUBCONTRACTOR WHO MISSED
CLASSIFIES THEIR WORKERS TO PAY
LOWER RATES OR CLASSIFIES THEIR
WORKERS AS INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS. TRAINED FOR BELOW
THE PREVAILING WAGE RATES. THEY
ALSO OFTEN PAY PIECEWORK RATES
OR PAY UNDER THE TABLE CHEATING
INSTEAD OF CALIFORNIA TAX
REVENUE. THESE TYPES OF
VIOLATIONS, WHICH ARE PREVALENT
IN THE UNDERGROUND ECONOMY NEED
TO BE STOPPED. SB 14 22 IS A
GREAT STEP IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION WHEN IT COMES TO
BATTLING SOME OF THE VIOLATIONS
WERE ENCOUNTERING WITH AN
ALTERNATIVE CONTRACTING METHODS
REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF
CARPET RESILIENT FLOORING,
SYNTHETIC TURF IN LIGHTING
FIXTURES. SB 14 22 ENSURES THAT
THE PERCENTAGE OF THE GRADUATES
PERCENTAGE OF GRADUATES OF THE
STATE APPROVED APPRENTICESHIP
PROGRAMS ARE USED ON THESE
PROJECTS, AND THESE CONTRACTS
ARE REPORTED TO THE DEPARTMENT
INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS FOR BETTER
TRANSPARENCY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME, AND I ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. PHð SER. HI.
MY NAME IS MATT. WE'RE I
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. UM
I'M A 27 YEAR MEMBER AND AN
INSTALLER AND A SKILLED AND
TRAINED WORKER AND I'M JUST HERE
TO SUPPORT THE SENATE BILL IS 14
22. AND I CAN'T ADD A WHOLE LOT
TO THAT OTHER THAN IT'S AN
UNDERGROUND ECONOMY. THEY'RE
CHEATING. THEY'RE NOT USING
APPRENTICES AS REQUIRED. AND
AGAIN. I JUST URGE YOU TO
SUPPORT THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. OTHER WITNESSES IN
THE ROOM WISHING TO PROVIDE
TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF SB 14 22
MEMBERS MIKE WEST ON BEHALF OF
THE STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL.
ALSO IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. HELLO STEPHANIE VON
SLAM SKI WITH THE INTERNATIONAL
UNION OF PAINTERS AND ALLIED
TRADES SER COUNT TO 36. I ARE
JUST A SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, ROBERT SMITH
ON THE POLITICAL DIRECTOR FOR
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PAINTERS AND
ALLIED TRADES, UH, DISTRICT
COUNCIL 36. WE URGE. THIS IS
VERY IMPORTANT BILL FOR US AND
OUR CONTRACTORS. WE URGENTLY I
VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN THE ROOM WISHING TO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY IN OPPOSITION.
TO S B 14 22. SEEN AND HEARING
NONE. I WILL BRING IT BACK.
COMMITTEE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? CORRECT YES. YOU HAVE
A YES MOTION FROM MR PATTERSON.
SECOND FOR MR RODRIGUEZ.
SENATOR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? I THINK IT'S JUST THE
POINT THAT WAS MADE. IT'S AN
IMPORTANT BILL. LOTS OF LOTS OF
TIMES HE'S DON'T THINGS SEEM
LIKE THE EARTH SHATTERING, BUT
THEY ARE TO PEOPLE'S LIVES AND
THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND THEIR KEEP
INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS AND
ALSO TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS IN
THE IN THE ENDEAVOR. SO WITH
THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY
VOTE. THANK YOU AND SECRETARY
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL SP 14 TO 2
MOTION IS DO PASS AND REFERRED
TO APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
PETRIE-NORRIS PATERSON. GRAY.
LACKEY. MEDINA RODRIGUEZ.
WILSON. RIGHT, 50 THAT BILL IS
OUT AND WE'LL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS TO ADD ON. THANK
YOU. AND LET'S SEE MOVING. TO
FILE ITEM THREE. SB 10 10.
SENATOR SKINNER.
GOOD MORNING. THANKS SO MUCH
CHAIR AND MEMBERS PLEASED TO
PRESENT SB 10 10. AND START WITH
THAT. I AM AGREEING WITH THE
COMMITTEE TO REMOVE THE EXISTING
LANGUAGE ON BID PREFERENCE AS
PER THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
CHAIR AND MYSELF. AS WE HAVE
COMMITTED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH
STAFF AND DGS TO CRAFT
APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE THAT WE
WOULD PUT BACK IN THE BILL AT
THE APPROACH AND I WILL EXPLAIN
JUST A LITTLE LATER WHY I THINK
THAT ELEMENT IS IMPORTANT. AS
LONG AS WE CAN GET THAT SWEET
SPOT OF THE APPROPRIATE
LANGUAGE. UM. CALIFORNIA IN ITS
CLIMATE REDUCTION GOALS ARE
TAKEN MANY POLICY POSITIONS TO
REQUIRE DRIVERS AND FLEET
OPERATION RATERS TO TRANSITION
TO ZERO MISSION VEHICLES. THE
GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER
PROHIBITS. IN FACT, THE SALE OF
FOSSIL FUEL VEHICLES IN OUR
STATE IN 2035. WHAT ELSE P 10 10
DOES IS ENSURES THAT OUR STATE
OPERATIONS ARE MODELING AND
BECOMING THE MODEL OF THE
BEHAVIOR THAT WE EXPECT FROM THE
PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR. IT
ALSO DEVELOPED SENDS A CLEAR
MARKET SIGNAL TO THE
MANUFACTURERS OF VEHICLES,
RESEARCH AND DEVELOPERS AND
OTHERS THAT THERE IS A CLEAR
MARKET FOR THIS THAT YOU KNOW,
GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT IS A
SIGNIFICANT PART OF A VEHICLE
MARKET SO IT WILL HELP DRIVE
THOSE THOSE ADVANCES IN VEHICLES
THAT WE ARE EXPECTING. THE REST
OF THE STATE TO COMPLY WITH SO
WHAT S B 10 10 OES IS REQUIRED
. 100% 0 MISSION VEHICLES FOR
THE LIGHT DUTY FLEET IN BY 26 27
FOR MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY STATE
FLEETS. 100% BY JANUARY 1ST 2027
. NOW THE BILL INCLUDES A VERY
IMPORTANT OFF RAMP SO THAT IF IN
THE CASE OF ANY OF THOSE VEHICLE
CATEGORIES THERE IS NOT AN
APPROPRIATE ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLE FOR THE PURPOSE THAT DGS
NEEDS THE VEHICLE DGS CAN IN
EFFECT, IT HAS AN OFF RAMP, SO
THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO MEET THIS
REQUIREMENT. SO WITH THAT, I'D
LIKE MY, UM EXPERTS TO PROVIDE
THEIR TESTIMONY. I HAVE BILL
MCGOVERN FROM THE COALITION FOR
CLEAN AIR. THEN. ORVILLE THOMAS
FROM CAL START. THANKS MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. BILL MCGOVERN
, POLICY DIRECTOR WITH COALITION
FOR CLEAN AIR AND THE
MICROPHONES, LITTLE DROOPY, BUT
IN IN STRONG SUPPORT OF SB 10
10. YOU KNOW, IT'S SUMMERTIME
AND WE AS CALIFORNIA'S, WE
SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK FORWARD
TO SUMMER OF SUN AND FUN. BUT
UNFORTUNATELY WE ALSO FACE THE
PROSPECT OF EXTREME HEAT
CATASTROPHIC WILDFIRES. SMOG AND
SOOT AND THE TRANSPORTATION
SECTOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ABOUT
80% OF THE LOCAL AIR POLLUTION
IN CALIFORNIA AND ABOUT 50% OF
THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE UPSTREAM
EMISSIONS, WHICH WE SHOULD SO
IT'S OUR BIGGEST SOURCE OF
POLLUTION. AND THAT'S WHY THE
STATE HAS A NUMBER OF STANDARDS
THAT REQUIRE BOTH THE PUBLIC AND
THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO TRANSFORM
TO CLEANER TRANSPORTATION AND
CENTER. SKINNER SAID. THIS BILL
WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE STATE
IS REALLY LEADING THE WAY IS
SETTING AN EXAMPLE IS ADVANCING
THE TECHNOLOGY. SHOWING HOW IT
CAN BE DONE. UM I ALSO THINK
THAT THE, UM WHEN THE STATE NOT
ONLY BUYS VEHICLES, BUT WHEN IT
CONTRACTS FOR TRANSPORTATION
THAT SHOULD BE COVERED, SO WE
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING. WITH
SENATOR SKINNER AND THE
COMMITTEE AND THE EXECUTIVE
BRANCH TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT
LANGUAGE, RIGHT. UM AND GO
FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN GREEN ALL
OF THE FLEETS THAT THE STATE IS
BOTH PURCHASING. AND IT'S
CONTRACTING FOR THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. MORE MEMBERS IN CHAIR.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS
TIME. MY NAME IS ORVILLE THOMAS
. I'M THE STATE POLICY DIRECTOR
FOR CAL START. EXCUSE ME. WE ARE
A CALIFORNIA BASED,
INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED NON
PROFIT FOCUSING ON THE
ADVANCEMENTS OF CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION TECHNOLOGY AND
THE AMBITIOUS PUSH TO ZERO
MISSIONS FOR 30 YEARS WE HAVE
WORKED WITH OUR 300 PLUS MEMBER
COMPANIES. TO HELP CALIFORNIA
DESIGN, ADOPT AND IMPLEMENT THE
BEST POLICIES AND PRACTICES. FOR
GETTING TO ZERO MISSIONS AND WE
FEEL SENATE BILL 10 10 IS JUST
THE LATEST IN LINE OF CALIFORNIA
POLICIES THAT WILL HELP US
ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. CAL STARTED
HEARD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS
FOR MANUFACTURING PARTNERS. THAT
THEIR LINEUPS OF ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLES ARE PERFECT OPTIONS FOR
THE STATE. AND I HAVE PERSONALLY
SEEN STATE AGENCIES TEST DRIVE
MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY ELECTRIC
TRUCKS FROM MANUFACTURERS LIKE
LIONEL ELECTRIC, WITH
MAINTENANCE FACILITIES IN
SACRAMENTO AND LOS ANGELES. PAN
RIVIAN WITH ITS HEADQUARTERS IN
ORANGE COUNTY AND COME AWAY
EQUALLY IMPRESSED AND EXCITED
WITH THE ADVANCEMENTS IN ZERO
EMISSION TECHNOLOGY AND THE
OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY PRESENT
FOR AGENCIES LIKE CALTRANS AND
DGS. CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN A LONG
LEADER AND SUSTAINABLE
TRANSPORTATION POLICY AND SB 10
10 IF PASSED AND SIGNED. COULD
BE A STANDARD FOR OTHER STATES
AS THEY THINK THROUGH THEIR
STATE FLEET TRANSITION PLANS,
AND FOR ALL THESE REASONS, I
WOULD ASK CAREER IVO. THANK YOU
AND OTHER WITNESSES WISHING TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF SB 10 10,
PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
FOR NYA. I WOULD JUST SAY WITH
GAS AT OVER $6 A GALLON. THIS IS
GOING TO SAVE THE STATE. A LOT
OF MONEY. THANK YOU. URGENT. I
VOTE. HI. I'M I'M CYNTHIA
SHALLOT WITH INDIVISIBLE
CALIFORNIA STATE STRONG, WHICH
HAS 80 CHAPTERS ACROSS THE STATE
AND OVER 80,000 ACTIVE MEMBERS
AND ALSO INDIVISIBLE GREEN TEAM
AND ALSO INDIVISIBLE CLIMATE
JUSTICE AND I'M ALSO
REPRESENTING SACRAMENTO ELECTRIC
VEHICLE ASSOCIATION, AND WE'RE
IN STRONG SUPPORT. WE NEED THIS
TO MODEL THE ACTIONS FOR THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL. THANK
YOU. I'M TERRY MEMBERS. DAN
TSHAMBA, HALF OF ARRIVAL
AUTOMOTIVE, WHICH ALSO PIQUED
THE INTERESTS OF DGS WHEN WE
BROUGHT OUR PROTOTYPE DELIVERY
VAN TO THE CAPITAL ABOUT A MONTH
AGO. IN STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. ERICA REMERON BEHALF OF
SERIES AND THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE
CHARGING ASSOCIATION AND STRONG
SUPPORT. AMBER SANDALWOOD TREND
PRICE CONSULTING ON BEHALF OF
ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT
WELL, NOW MOVE TO ANY WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION. ANYONE WISHING TO
TESTIFY AND OPPOSITION TO SB 10
10. SEEN. NONE WILL BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE ANY QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT SEEING AND
HEARING NONE. TURN IT BACK TO
YOU, SENATOR SKINNER. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE? THANKS SO MUCH
CHAIR AND JUST ON THE POINT OF,
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THE BILL
COVERS THE VEHICLES THAT DGS
PURCHASE SAYS, BUT WE ALSO WANT
TO MAKE SURE SINCE D JESS DOES
CONTRACT WITH SERVICES THAT
THOSE PRIVATE SECTOR FLEETS OF
WHICH THERE ARE A NUMBER THAT
HAVE ON THEIR OWN TAKEN
LEADERSHIP AND BEGUN TO MOVE
TOWARDS HAVING MUCH MORE OF
THEIR FLEET. ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLES. WE DO NOT WANT THEM
UNDERCUT IN A IN ANY KIND OF
BIDDING PROCESS THAT THEY WOULD
SOMEHOW NOT BE ABLE TO COMPETE
WITH ANOTHER. FLEET OPERATOR WHO
IS NOT BE TAKING SUCH LEADERSHIP
AND MOVING TO ZEB VEHICLES, SO
THAT'S WHY THAT LANGUAGE IS
IMPORTANT AND REALLY APPRECIATE
THE CHAIRS, COMMITMENT. AND WITH
THAT I ASKED FOR YOUR I VOTE.
YES. AND THANK YOU. MOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WILSON. DO WE
HAVE A SECOND? I WILL I'LL
SECOND THE BELL. MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
OH, MOTION. OUR SENATE BILL 10
10 MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED
AND REFERRED TO APPROPRIATIONS
PETRIE-NORRIS. PATERSON. GRAY.
BLACKY MEDINA. RODRIGUEZ.
WILSON. 40 THAT BILL IS OUT, AND
WE'LL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR
OTHER MEMBERS TO ADD ON. THANK
YOU, SENATOR AND WILL NOW GO
AHEAD AND MOVE TO DISPENSE WITH
THE CONSENT CALENDAR. WE'VE GOT
THREE BILLS ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR TODAY. SP 12 16 BY
SENATOR GONZALEZ SB 12 71 BY
SENATOR WILK AND SCR 70,
AUTHORED BY SENATOR CABALLERO,
FIVE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND
MOTION FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WILSON, SECOND FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RODRIGUEZ.
SECRETARY, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL? MOTION ON CONSENT ARE
DO PASS AND REFERRED TO
APPROPRIATIONS PETRIE-NORRIS.
PATERSON. GRAY. LACKEY MEDINA
RODRIGUEZ. WILSON. 40 AND WE'LL
LEAVE THAT ROLE OPEN AS WELL FOR
OTHER MEMBERS TO ADD ON ONE
MOMENT WE'RE GOING TO QUICKLY
CONFER TO DETERMINE WHAT THE
NEXT STEPS ARE RELATED TO FILE
ITEM. TWO SB 911.
SO WE HAVE CONFERRED WITH THE
SPEAKER'S OFFICE TO DETERMINE
OUR OPTIONS RELATED TO SB AT
911. OBVIOUSLY UH, BASED ON THE
TIMING, IT WILL BE WILL BE A
NUMBER OF HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH.
IF WE WERE TO SCHEDULE IF WE
WERE NOT TO TAKE ACTION ON THE
BILL TODAY, AND HAVE TO DO IT IN
A, YOU KNOW, OFFICIAL SPECIAL
HEARING SO THAT THE ACTION UH I
THINK THE NEXT STEPS THAT I
WOULD PROPOSE THAT I AM WILLING
TO PROVIDE IT COULD RECEIVE VOTE
FOR ARE THE FOLLOWING. SO UM,
NUMBER ONE THAT? YEAH. MY
COMMITTEE AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS
, YOUR TEAM AND OPPOSITION. WORK
OVER RECESS BEFORE THE
APPROACHES HEARING TO DETERMINE
IF WE CAN STRUCTURE A MODEL THAT
MEETS THE GOALS, AS MANY HAVE
SAID THE VERY WELL INTENDED WELL
INTENTIONED GOALS OF THE BELL.
UM AND I THINK WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THAT
DOESN'T HAPPEN, THAT WE RESERVE
THE RIGHT TO BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE AND I'LL HOLD IT HERE
AND NOT ALLOW IT TO ADVANCE TO
APPROPRIATIONS. AND FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS NOT JUST
ABOUT ME BEING OKAY WITH THE
AMENDED VERSION OF THE BILL.
IT'S ENSURING THAT A MAJORITY OF
THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE. OKAY
AND PROVIDE THEIR AFFIRMATIVE
SUPPORT FOR, UH, THE AMENDED
VERSION OF THE BILL. UM ANOTHER
THING THAT I WOULD WOULD LIKE TO
DO IT WOULD NOT BE AN OFFICIAL
HEARING, BUT I THINK WE CAN
CONVENE. A WORKSHOP SESSION AND
INVITE ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO
PARTICIPATE. ONCE THE CONTOURS
OF THE BILL ARE UNDERSTOOD SO
THAT COMMITTEE MEMBERS FEEL LIKE
THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
REALLY UNDERSTAND THE REVISED
VERSION OF THE BILL, SO IT'S A
BIT OF AN UNUSUAL APPROACH,
GIVEN OUR TIMING, BUT UNDER
THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, I WILL
SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY AND
CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO
CONVERSATIONS NOT JUST WITH THE
OTHERS OFFICE BUT TO OPPOSITION
TO, UH DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
THREAD THIS NEEDLE AND TO
ADVANCE WHAT I BELIEVE IS
CERTAINLY A SHARED GOAL OF, UH,
SEEING THE FREE AND FAIR PRESS
THRIVE IN CALIFORNIA AND ACROSS
OUR COUNTRY. I'M SO WITH THAT.
DO WE HAVE EMOTION? MOVE THE
BILL BEFORE WE WERE YES, YES.
YEAH CERTAINLY MISS WILSON. SO,
SO REALLY, MY, YOU KNOW, I
SUPPORT THE CHAIR IN TERMS OF
WANTING TO KEEP GOING AND BE
ABLE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS.
UM TO GET WHERE WE THINK WE NEED
IT TO BE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT
THERE'S YOU KNOW, AN ALLOCATION
ALREADY SET ASIDE FOR IT IN THE
BUDGET. UM AND THAT MAKES SENSE
UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. UM,
AND NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES TO ME
WOULD BE LIKE THERE'S UM ONE OR
TWO AREAS THAT THERE'S
DISAGREEMENTS WITH AND UM. SO
NOW LET'S WORK OUT THOSE ONE OR
TWO AREAS BEFORE WE GET TO
APPROPRIATIONS, BUT BECAUSE IT'S
UM IT'S BEEN TOSSED AND TURNED
SO MANY TIMES, AND IT'S SO YOU
KNOW, EVEN THE AMENDMENTS ARE
DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL AND
THEN THE AMENDMENTS TO THE
AMENDMENTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN UM
, BOTH THE ORIGINAL AND THE
AMENDMENTS. YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL
SO UNDER BAIT FOR ME, SO I WON'T
EVEN CALL IT HALF BAKED. IT'S
JUST UNDER BAKED. AND SO I HAVE,
YOU KNOW, I IF THERE WAS A
SPECIAL HEARING, I'D FEEL REALLY
COMFORTABLE WITH THAT WHERE WE
GOT A CHANCE TO LIKE, REALLY,
LOOK AT IT AND SEE IT AND PRINT
BUT THEN BEFORE IT ALL HAPPENED
TO BE BEHIND THE SCENES, AND
THEN WE GOES TO APPROACH AND I
GET A CHANCE. AN APPROACH RIGHT
LATE, ANOTHER CHANCE. KIND OF AS
WE ALL KNOW CHANCE, BUT FOR ME,
YOU KNOW, I GET IT AND I AND I
SUPPORT THE CHAIR AND THINK
HIGHLY OF HER AND RESPECT NOT
ONLY HER. I'M LEADERSHIP, BUT
HER PERSPECTIVE ON THIS BILL,
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I
CAN'T SUPPORT IT BEING SO UNDER
BAKED AND NOT HAVING ENOUGH OF
THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF ME AND
NOT FULLY AGREEING WITH THE
LANGUAGE AS I SEE IT AS AMENDED.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OKAY? SO.
DO WE HAVE IT? WE DO WE HAVE A
MOTION FOR MR MEDINA. IS THERE
IS OKAY. AND THE SECOND FOR MR
RODRIGUEZ. UM AND I WILL ALSO
NOTE THAT YOUR POINT, WE WILL
WILL DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER
TO BE ABLE TO AGENDA IS A
SPECIAL HEARING. THE FALL BACK,
AS I SAID, WOULD BE PERHAPS A
MORE INFORMAL SESSION WHERE WE
CONVENE MEMBERS TO REVIEW THE
AMENDED LANGUAGE ANDI'M SORRY.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ADVISED HER,
PATTERSON. YOU WERE. YOU STEPPED
OUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT OUR
PATH FORWARD. UM I WILL BE
SUPPORTING THIS BILL TODAY WITH
THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, WE
WILL CONTINUE. TO WORK TO SEE IF
WE CAN COME UP WITH A VERSION
TWO POINT OH, THAT HAS NOT JUST
MY SUPPORT, BUT THE SUPPORT OF
THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS
SHOULD THAT NOT OCCUR IN THE
NEXT TWO WEEKS. THEN WE WILL
CALL THE BILL BACK, AND, UM HOLD
IT HERE, AND IT WILL NOT ADVANCE
TO PREPARATION. SO THAT'S THE
THAT'S THE GAME PLAN, AND WE DO
HAVE EMOTION IN A SECOND. SO
WITH THAT, SECRETARY, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. MARGIN IS DEEP
PASSENGER APPROPRIATIONS
PETRIE-NORRIS BY PATERSON. GRAY.
LUCKY. MEDINA. RODRIGUEZ.
WILSON. OKAY SO, UH, 32. WE WILL
LEAVE THAT AFTER THAT BUILDS ON
CALL AND WE'LL LEAVE THE ROYAL
OPEN FOR ARE ABSENT MEMBER TO
ADD ON YOU HAVE OTHER ITEMS ON
THE AGENDA STILL WE DO NOT, UM
BUT WE WILL. WE HAVE DISPENSED
WITH THE CONTENT CALENDAR. WE
WILL BE REVIEWING THE BILLS THAT
ARE ON CALL SO THAT WE CAN HAVE
OTHER MEMBERS ADD ON AND I WILL
CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO. I THINK
MR LACKEY IS THE ONLY ABSENT
MEMBER WILL MAKE SURE THAT HE
COMES TO VOTE ON SB 911 SO WE
CAN DETERMINE THAT YOU HAVE NOW.
PARDON IS 332. SO. YOU'VE GOT
ONE OPPORTUNITY. ALRIGHT WITH
THAT, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UM
pREVIEW THE BILLS THAT ARE
CURRENTLY ON CALL. THANK YOU. SB
34 BY SENATOR AMBERG. IS DO PASS
AND REFERRED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
GREEN. WILSON. MEDINA. THAT BILL
WAS OUT. ALRIGHT AND SORRY. THE
VOTE ON THAT. 70. OKAY. GREAT.
THAT BILL IS UP. WELL, HOLD ON
TO OKAY? ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WHERE
WE'RE REVIEWING THE BOOK BILLS
THAT ARE UNCALLED AND GIVING YOU
AN OPPORTUNITY TO I DON'T. OKAY.
SB 10 10 BY SENATOR SKINNER.
MOTION IS DUE PAST AS AMENDED
AND REFERRED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
PATTERSON. GRAY. LACKEY. AND
THAT BUILDING. OKAY, 51. THAT
BILL IS OUT. SENATE BILL 12 03
BY SENATOR RECORD DO PASS AND
REFERRED TO APPROPRIATIONS. UH
SOME OF THEM ARE AGREE. RIGHT?
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MEDINA. ALL IS
FINE. ALRIGHT FIVE. OH, THAT
BILL IS OUT. BOOTS THESE ARE
ITEMS ON CONSENT. WE HAVE THE
CONCERN AS STANDING SENATE BILLS
12 16, 12 71 AND SCR 70. ALL
ITEMS ARE DUE PAST AND REFERRED
TO APPROPRIATIONS. PATTERSON.
GRAY. LACKEY. THIS IS THAT CAN
WERE THE CONSENT CALENDAR. ALL
RIGHT. ALRIGHT LACKEY. IS I ON
CONSENT CALENDAR. OKAY, 70 ON
CONSENT. YES. SKINNER. ALL
RIGHT, AND WE HAVE SENATE 1422
BY SENATOR HERZBERG GRAY. 14 TO
2. OKAY WITH THE MOTIONS DO PASS
AND REFER TO APPROPRIATION. AND
MEDINA. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MEDINA
. UH, OKAY. 70 THAT BUILDS OUT
OKAY, 70. THAT BILL IS OUT AND
THEN WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE
RURAL PERCENTER. UH REMEMBER
BLACKY, AND WE HAVE. ON SB.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S LACKEY AND. THE
ONE REMAINING BILL THAT IS ON
CALL IS SP 911, WHICH WE HAD
EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT?
AND WE, UH, SPOKE WITH THE
SPEAKER'S OFFICE TO EXPLORE
VARIOUS OPTIONS. UH, IN TERMS OF
TRYING TO, UH, WORK OUT A
REVISED VERSION OF THE BILL. UM
SO THE APPROACH THAT, UH, I HAVE
AGREED TO TAKE IS THE FOLLOWING
TWO. WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE
AUTHOR'S OFFICE WITH INTERESTED
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH,
SUPPORTERS IN THE OPPOSITION TO
CRAFT AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL.
UM AND, UH, THAT PROPOSAL WILL
WILL BRING BACK. TO THE
COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE IF IT HAS
NOT JUST MY SUPPORT, BUT THE
SUPPORT OF THE MAJORITY OF THE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND SHOULD
THAT HAPPEN? THE BILL WILL MOVE
TO APPROPRIATION SHOULD NOT
HAPPEN. WE WILL PULL IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE AND HOLD THE BILL
HERE SO UNDER THOSE
CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT IS THE BILL
THAT I AGREED TO SUPPORT TODAY
AND WE'VE VOTED ON IT. IT'S ON
CALL, MADAM SECRETARY. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL OF ACTIVE MEMBERS.
ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT SENATE BILL
911 BY SENATOR GLASER. THAT BILL
IS PASSED THROUGH THE ROPES.
LACKEY. NO. GREAT. I. AND WE
HAVE SENATE BILL 10 10 BY
SENATOR SKINNER. SORRY SO, JUST
TO BE CLEAR ON THEN SP 911 WE
HAVE ABOUT OF 43. SO THAT BILL
IS OUT. WITH THE CONDITIONS
PRESCRIBED SO WE WILL WORK IN
EARNEST ON AMENDMENTS TO THAT
BILL OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT
TWO WEEKS, AND WE WILL BRING IT
BACK TO THE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE TO CONFIRM THAT THE
REVISED BILL ACTUALLY HAS THE
MAJORITY SUPPORT OF THE
COMMITTEE IN ORDER TO ADVANCE
APPROPRIATIONS. AND WE'VE GOT
SENATE BILL 10 10 BY SENATOR
SKINNER. THAT MOTION IS DUE PASS
AS AMENDED AND REFERRED TO
APPROPRIATIONS LACKING NÓ.
ALRIGHT SO THIS IS SB 10 10.
FIVE TO THAT BILL IS OUT.
ALRIGHT I BELIEVE THAT THAT
CONCLUDES THE BUSINESS, UH, FOR
TODAY'S HEARING. THANK YOU
MEMBERS. WE ARE ADJOURNED.