A COUPLE DEMOCRATS HERE WE CAN
BE A SUB COMMITTEE AND -- OF
THE CHAIRS PERMISSION TO START
HE SHOULD BE HERE FAIRLY SOON
BUT LIKE ALL OF US USE OUR --
PRESENTING BILLS THANK -- SO
GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME I'D
LIKE TO CONVENE THE ASSEMBLY
COMMITTEE ON UTILITIES AND
ENERGY -- THE SERGEANTS PLEASE
CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS BEFORE
WE MOVED TO THE AGENDA OF A FEW
HOUSEKEEPING ANNOUNCEMENTS TO
MAKE WHICH WE AS SENATORS AND
ASSEMBLY MEMBERS HAVE HEARD A
NUMBER OF TIMES TODAY WE HAVE
NINE BILLS ON THE AGENDA --
WE WILL HAVE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
GIPSON TEPPER TEMPORARILY
FILLING THE VACANCY ON OUR
COMMITTEE TODAY PRIMARY
WITNESSES MUST APPEAR IN PERSON
PHONE LINES WILL BE AVAILABLE
FOR ME TO CHOOSE ONLY AND
EVERYONE TAKE NOTICE WILL BE
OUR LAST HEARING WERE PROVIDING
PHONE LINES FOR REMOTE PUBLIC
TESTIMONY CALL IN NUMBER FOR
TODAY'S HEARING IS AND I'LL GO
SLOWLY HERE EIGHT SEVEN SEVEN
SIX NINE TWO
EIGHT NINE FIVE SEVEN SO THAT'S
EIGHT SEVEN SEVEN SIX NINE TWO
EIGHT NINE FIVE SEVEN AND THE
ACCESS CODE IS ONE THREE ONE
FIVE FOUR THREE SEVEN YEAH AND
THE ACCESS CODE IS ONE THREE
ONE FIVE FOUR THREE SEVEN YOU
CAN ALSO FIND THIS NUMBER ON
THE ASSEMBLY UTILITIES AND
ENERGY COMMITTEE WEBSITE AS
WELL ON THE TV SCREEN IF YOU'RE
HAVING ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE
MODERATED PHONE SERVICE YOU
CAN CALL THE COMMITTEE AFTER
NINE ONE SIX THREE ONE NINE
TWO ZERO EIGHT THREE AND MY
STAFF WILL BE THERE TO HELP
THAT IS THE CHAIR STAFF TODAY
WE HAVE NINE MEMBERS ON THE
AGENDA TO OR ON CONSENT -- AS
WE PROCEED WITH THE WITNESSES
AND PUBLIC COMMENT I WANT TO
MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS
THAT THE ASSEMBLY AS RULES
TO ENSURE WE MAINTAIN ORDER
IN RUNNING EFFICIENT AND FAIR
HEARING TESTIMONY IS LIMITED TO
FOUR MINUTES TOTAL TWO MINUTES
SUPPORT TWO MINUTES OPPOSITION
FOR ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESS ON
THE MEASURE ONLY STATE YOUR
NAME POSITION AND AFFILIATION
FANNING ELIMINATE THE REMOTE
COMMENT PERIODS OF THIS HEARING
WERE WITNESS IS THE ONLY STATE
THEIR NAME POSITION AFFILIATION
TWENTY MINUTES PER GAL CONCEDE
THIS TIME PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR
TESTIMONY THROUGH THE EMAIL
ADDRESS ON OUR WEBSITE I WILL
MAINTAIN DECORUM DURING THE
HEARING AS IS CUSTOMARY IN ANY
INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DISRUPTIVE
MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM
OR REMOTE MEETINGS SERVICE
OR HAVE THE CONNECTION MUTED
FOR WE GET A QUORUM WILL CALL
THE ROLL -- AND -- WILL DO
CONSENT RIGHT NOW WE WILL
GO TO -- ITEM FOR THANK YOU
VERY MUCH SENATOR FOR BEING
HERE AND GIVING US A CHANCE
TO START OFF THE COMMITTEE
OUR VERY GOOD SO -- I AM
NUMBER FOUR IS SB FIVE TWENTY
NINE HERTZBERG ELECTRICITY
ELECTRICITY ELECTRICAL
TRANSMISSION FACILITIES --
PLEASE GO AHEAD PECAN MISTER
CHAIR LIKE TO START WITH THE
POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE AS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER CHEN REMINDED
ME APPROPRIATELY THAT I WAS
HERE LAST WEEK SAYING THAT
THIS WOULD BE THE LAST TIME I
WOULD BE BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE
IN HERE I FIND MYSELF AGAIN
IT IS AN OLD LAWYER LET ME
TELL YOU KNOW LINCOLN STORY
THAT INFORMS THE THINKING AT
THE MOMENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN
WHEN HE WAS A YOUNG LAWYER IN
SPRINGFIELD ILLINOIS WAS ARGUE
THE CASE IN THE COURT ROOM
THERE WITH THE WINDOWS OPEN
IT WAS A HOT SUMMER DAY IN THE
FAN WAS GOING LIKE THIS AND
AT NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING
THE JUDGE BANGS THE GAVEL AND
CALLS THE CASE AND UP COMES
MISTER LINCOLN NE ARGUES THIS
CASE IN BY NOON IN THOSE DAYS
WHEN THEY HAD THE LUNCH BREAK
THE CASE WAS OVER AND THE JUDGE
RULED IN MR LINCOLN'S FAVOR
THEY CAME BACK AT ONE THIRTY
AFTER LUNCH AND THEY'RE THAT
GOOD DRUGS BANGS THE GAVEL BOOM
BECAUSE THE CASE AND THERE IT
IS MISTER LINCOLN HANDLING THE
AFTERNOON CASE HE STARTS MAKING
HIS ARGUMENT AND AS HE ARGUES
HE'S THE JUDGE SAYS WAIT A
MINUTE MR LINCOLN THIS MORNING
YOU WERE HERE AND YOU ARGUE
EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE ENDS VERY
SET ON THE SAME TAXES AND NOW
YOU'RE COMING IN ARGUING YOU
DECIDE AND MISTER LINCOLN SAYS
WELL YOUR HONOR THIS MORNING
I WAS WRONG MMHM AND SO I WAS
WRONG LAST WEEK BUT I BACK
FOR A WITH THE BILL -- LET ME
JUST SAY SOMETHING AS WE HAVE
THE LOBBY IS HERE LOBBYIST
OF THAT SAME OBLIGATION TO
REPRESENT THEIR CLIENT AND
I'VE ALWAYS TAKEN THAT VERY
SERIOUSLY AND NEVER TAKEN IT
PERSONALLY WHEN THEY OPPOSE A
BELL OR SUPPORT A BILL I DON'T
LIKE AND IT'S A GREAT GROUP
OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE CAPITAL
AS WELL AS IN THE LOBBYING
CLARK AND I PUT A COUPLE PEOPLE
OF THAT LIST YEAH I'D LIKE
BUT JUST CERTAINLY PRESENT
COMPANY LARGELY SAID BUT
-- I'VE GOT SOME OPINIONS
ON A COUPLE OF PEOPLE
OF ALL AROUND -- LET'S
LEAVE ON HAPPEN NAME NAMES
AT THE EVENT BUT LET ME GET
TO THE BILL BECAUSE AS WE ARE
YOU KNOW DEALING IN THIS SPACE
WE HAVE SINCE THE DAYS OF
THE ENERGY CRISIS AND CLIMATE
CHANGE ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO
MOVE AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUEL BUT
YOU KNOW AS WE GET THERE BEYOND
A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THIS IN
THE TEN THOUSAND PERCENT OF
THAT AND ALL THESE COCKAMAMIE
GOALS GOD IS IN THE DETAILS
HOW DO YOU GET THERE HOW DO YOU
BUILD THE TRANSMISSION LINES
HOW DO YOU GET THE APPROVALS
IN TIME HOW DO YOU GET THAT
THE TRANSFORMERS ON THE LINES
TO BE ABLE TO DO THE CHARGING
CARS THAT WERE SEVEN COLLECTED
CARDS WERE SAYING WE'RE GONNA
CHARGE HOW DO YOU CREATE THIS
TRANSITION THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE
BEFORE YOU TODAY IT'S A HOW TO
BILL IT IS GOD'S IN THE DETAILS
BILL WE HAD THIS EXTRAORDINARY
BIG AS WE LIKE TO SAY MY OFFICE
A BIG HOLD UP PROCESS FOR
APPROVING TRANSMISSION LINES
BUT NOW WE'RE SITUATION WE
ALREADY HAVE RIGHT AWAY WITH
THAT TRANSMISSION LINES AND SO
THE QUESTION IS CAN WE CREATE
AN EXPEDITED PROCESS THAT STILL
RESPECTS THE ENVIRONMENTAL
REVIEW WE'RE DOING THAT HERE
TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR US
TO MOVE QUICKER BECAUSE IF
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET OUR
GOALS UNLESS WE DO THIS KIND
OF HOMEWORK IT'S THAT SIMPLE
AND SO THIS BILL WAS BROUGHT
TO ME AND I SAID GREAT IDEA I
THINK IT'S REALLY SMART I LOVE
THIS KIND OF STUFF NONE OF THE
GET YOUR HEADLINES BUT ALL OF
WHICH GETS THE SYSTEM WORKING
SO AS WE ARE FACED WITH THESE
EXTRAORDINARY CHALLENGES NISSAN
HERE LAST WEEK OF ANOTHER
SIMILAR BILL THE EXPEDITING
THE INTERCONNECTION OF SOME
OF THE NEW ELECTRIC RESOURCES
YOU KNOW THIS BILL ENABLES A
MORE EXPEDITED REVIEW PROCESS
AND APPROVAL FOR UPGRADES TO
EXISTING TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS
AND FACILITIES ON EXISTING
QUARTER RIGHT AWAY AS AN
EXISTING CORRIDORS STILL
HASN'T BAR MENTAL REVIEW BUT
WE THINK IT'S A THOUGHTFUL AND
INTELLIGENT WAY TO BALANCE THE
EXPEDITED NEED THAT WE HAVE
ON THE ONE HAND YET ON THE
OTHER HAND DO IT IN THE WAY
THAT WORKS WITH WITNESSES UN
DISCUSSING HERE IS A CLEANER
HERNANDEZ FROM SDG AND HE'S
HERE AND BY MR WHICH IS HERE
HE'S ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS AS
MUCH OF NO TOUGH BUT GOOD I
LIKE A OKAY TO TALK ON OUR
BEHALF VOTE HELLO I'M SORRY --
YOUR ADDRESS WHAT'S YOUR TIME
SO I WAS EIGHTY P.
RENEWABLES RIGHT COME ON
UP THANK YOU MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND
ESPECIALLY OUR BILL AUTHORED
THIS TO ME TOO -- YOU
SENT ME TO I KNOW THAT BUT
YOU CAN TALK HE CAN TALK
HE'S HE'S A GOOD TALKER
HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING
HE PERSUADES ME OKAY
WELL GET THANK YOU MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE AND
SENATOR HERTZBERG MY NAME
IS SCOTT FERRIS I MANAGED
GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR EDP
RENEWABLES BUT I'M ALSO
TESTIFYING IN FAVOR OF SB
FIVE TWENTY NINE ON BEHALF
OF THE AMERICAN CLEAN
POWER CALIFORNIA E.
R.
AS A MAJOR GLOBAL DEVELOPER
LOVE ALL FORMS OF RENEWABLE
POWER ON AND OFF SHORE WIND
LARGE SCALE IN DISTRIBUTIVE
SOLAR STORAGE AND HYDROGEN IN
CALIFORNIA WE HAVE OPERATING
WIND FARMS AND SOLAR PARK IN
A LENGTHY PORTFOLIO A PROPOSED
PROJECTS IN VARIOUS STAGES OF
DEVELOPMENT AS YOU KNOW ARE
WELL AWARE TRANSMISSION IS
ABSOLUTELY KEY TO CALIFORNIA
MAINTAINING GRID RELIABILITY
AND ACHIEVING OUR CLEAN
ENERGY TARGETS BARRIERS TO
TRANSMISSION ACCESS BUT BOTH
GOALS IN SERIOUS JEOPARDY
SB FIVE TWENTY NINE WILL
EXPEDITE TRANSMISSION PROJECTS
EFFICIENTLY UTILIZE EXISTING
INFRASTRUCTURE ENCOURAGING
THE MAXIMUM UTILIZATION OF OUR
EXISTING TRANSMISSION RIGHTS OF
WAY IS THE MOST AFFORDABLE AND
ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND MEANS OF
EXPANDING TRANSMISSION UNDER
CURRENT LAW ONLY PROJECTS
USING EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND
WHICH ARE BELOW AN ARBITRARY
TWO HUNDRED KILOVOLT THRESHOLD
ARE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM
THE PUC'S LENGTHY CERTIFICATE
OF PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND
NECESSITY PROCESS ONLY THESE
PROJECTS ARE NOW ALLOWED TO
COMPLY WITH SEQUEL TO THE MUCH
FASTER WHEN YOUR PERMIT TO
CONSTRUCT PROCESS BY ENSURING
THE PROJECTS OF LARGER SIZE
BUT USE EXISTING RIGHTS OF WAY
CAN BE CITED THROUGH THE MORE
EFFICIENT PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT
PROCESS SB FIVE TWENTY NINE
WILL GREATLY REDUCE THE TIME
NEEDED TO COMPLETE VITAL
UPGRADES TO OUR TRANSMISSION
SYSTEM WITHOUT I EMPHASIZE
DIMINISHING THE ENVIRONMENTAL
REVIEW PROCESS AT ALL TO MEET
SB ONE HUNDRED POLICY GOLD
HIGH SO TREATMENT TWENTY YEAR
TRANSMISSION PLAN IDENTIFIES
FOURTEEN NEEDED FIVE HUNDRED
KILOVOLT AND TWO HUNDRED
THIRTY KILOVOLT UPGRADES
THAT COULD BE CITED MUCH MORE
QUICKLY IF SB FIVE TWENTY NINE
IS APPROVED ET PR ITSELF IS
AWARE OF SEVEN DIFFERENT TWO
HUNDRED AND THIRTY KILOVOLT RE
CONDUCTING PROJECTS THAT WHEN
COMPLETED WILL UNLOCK LITERALLY
THOUSANDS OF MEGAWATTS OF
SOLAR AND STORAGE CAPACITY
BE DEVELOP I ET PR IN OUR
PEERS CLEAN RELIABLE POWER THE
CALIFORNIA NEEDS AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE SO ON BEHALF OF ET PR
AND ACP CALIFORNIA I STRONGLY
URGE FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION
OF SB FIVE TWENTY ONE FIVE
TWENTY NINE AS AN IMPORTANT
STEP TOWARD ENSURING THAT
CALIFORNIA HAS A RELIABLE COST
EFFECTIVE AND CLEAN ELECTRIC
GRID IN A MANNER THAT WILL
HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON OUR
LAND AND OUR FUTURE THANK YOU
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE
OTHER CAPITALIST DEVELOPMENT
YES SO YOU HAVE YES YOU WANT
TO SPEAK TO THE HAVE YEAH
SURE THANK YOU NIGGLING AT
NINE THIS GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
MANAGER FOR SAN DIEGO GAS AND
ELECTRIC IN SUPPORT -- A CONCUR
WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT
HAVE JUST BEEN MADE -- WOULD
ALSO RESPECT THE CONCERT --
REQUEST CONSIDERATION OF OF
EXPANDING THE BILL TO APPLY
NOT JUST TO EXISTING BUT --
NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL -- AS
WAS MENTIONED THESE ARE GIANT
PROJECTS THAT HAVE LONG LEAD
TIMES AND THIS IS A REALLY
IMPORTANT STEP TO REDUCE
ENSURING THAT TIME FRAME TO GET
MORE TRANSMISSION RENEWABLES
ONLINE OKAY I WAS INTERRUPTED
BUT SO ARE YOU TAKING THEIR
AMENDMENT THAT NOT YET -- I
WOULD LOVE TO BUT I THINK IT
BECAUSE MORTON AND I CERTAINLY
APPRECIATE IT AND LIKE TAX
WITH ALL THE STUFF FOR AND
MORE IN TROUBLE WE GOT A LOT
OF WORK TO DO IN A VERY SHORT
ORDER I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW
HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THERE BUT
I THINK WE SHOULD -- I CAN'T
TAKE IT YET BUT WILL CONSIDER
TALKED INCONSIDERATE AND WE
GOT TO SIT AND TALK TO THE
STAKEHOLDERS AND GET A SENSE
OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BUT
I I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO DO
SO OKAY WELL WHAT I COULD DO
THAT COULD YOU TALK TO YOUR
SUPPORT HERE FOR MISTER WHICH
YES YOU EAT I ASSUME YOU LIKE
WHAT DID IT WHAT'S IN IT SO FAR
YOU ARE AT THAT BECAUSE WHEN
THEY GET BIGGER YEAH MISTER
CHAIRMAN MEMBER SCOTT WHICH
SHOULD BE AT THE CALIFORNIA
COALITION OF UTILITY EMPLOYEES
WHERE WE SEE THE THE THE THE
TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VALUE HERE
IS WHERE YOU HAVE AN EXISTING
LINE THAT ALREADY HAS GONE
THROUGH THE CPC AND PROCESS
THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WE CAN
GO IN VERY QUICKLY WITH JUST
THE PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT TO DO
EXTENSIONS MODIFICATIONS YOU
KNOW TAKING ED AC ONE E.
D.
C.
AND THERE'S A TON OF THOSE
PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE
PIPELINE THAT WILL MOVE RIGHT
TO THE FRONT WHICH REALLY HELP
US MEET OUR RENEWABLE NEEDS SO
AND ADDRESS THE DUCK CURVE AS
WELL SO WE WOULD URGE AND I'VE
UP TELL GIVES GOOD TALKER ALL
RIGHT WELL SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD
BILL THAT SEPTIC IS ANYONE IN
THE AUDIENCE TODAY WHO WOULD
LIKE TO COME UP TO SUPPORT IT
BEARS ON BEHALF OF INDEPENDENT
ENERGY PRODUCERS AND SUPPORT
VERY GOOD -- ALL RIGHT NOW
WILL GO TO THE PHONE LINES
FOR SUPPORT -- CHAU OPERATOR
WERE ASKING FOR SUPPORT FOR
SB FIVE TO NINE HERTZBERG
ELECTRICAL TRANSMISSION
FACILITIES JUST GIVE -- IF
ANYONE IS SPEAKING ON THE LINE
JUST GIVE YOUR NAME FILIATION
IF ANY AND YOUR POSITION
IF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF
SB FIVE TO NINE PLEASE
PRESS ONE THEN ZERO LEVINE
SIXTY SEVEN NINE SIXTY
SEVEN YOUR LINE IS OPEN
-- I'M SORRY WHICH STILL WASN'T
SB FIVE TO NINE I'M
NOT COMMENTING ON THE
COMO ADELINE EIGHTY SIX
POINT EIGHTY SIX YOUR LINE IS
OPEN I'M NOT SURE I REMEMBER
THEM WITH A HAVE A TRITON
PAID CONSULTING ON BEHALF
OF THE AMERICAN CLEAN POWER
THIRTY XIN IN SUPPORT FIND
SEVENTY FOR YOUR LINE IS OPEN
LARA TOMORROW WITH OTHER
CALIFORNIA EDISON'S IF SUPPORT
AND MINE AT YOUR LINE IS OPEN
NINE EIGHTY MY NAME IS BEVERLY
DAY SHOWN WITH HELIX RICARDO
SENSATION CENTRAL COAST CHAPTER
WE SUPPORT THIS BILL AND --
I'M GLAD THAT YOU HOUSE OF
STILL BY PHONE BECAUSE I'M
SICK AND OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T
BE ABLE TO TESTIFY SO PLEASE
KEEP THE PHONE THING GOING
WELL APPARENTLY THEY'RE NOT
BEING KEPT IN THIS COMMITTEE
AND -- I MAY NOT BE CHALLENGED
ANOTHER COMMITTEE AGAIN AS
I'M GOING OFF BUT I AGREE WITH
YOU ON THE PHONE LINES ALL
RIGHT -- NOW WILL LOOK FOR
OPPOSITION ARE THERE OPPOSITION
SPEAKERS IN THE ROOM WELL
NOW GO TO THE PHONE LINES TO
SEE IF THERE IS OPPOSITION
IF YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION OF
SB FIVE TO NINE PLEASE PRESS
ONE NOW THEN THEY'RE ALL
AT THIS TIME
THERE IS NO ONE IN Q.
ALL RIGHT SELL ASSEMBLYMEMBERS
CHAN AND MURATSUCHI DO YOU
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MOVE
TO BOSTON PROPOSAL SECOND
OKAY -- THE ONLY CONCERN I
HAVE ABOUT THIS BILL IS THE
PRODUCT TO YOU INSTEAD OF ME
HEY YOU MAY CLOSE THANK YOU
SO MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR
LETTING ME BE A LITTLE LIGHT
HEARTED IN THE COMMITTEE I
APPRECIATE THIS WORK OF THIS
COMMITTEE IS QUITE SERIOUS AND
YOUR STAFF DOES A REALLY GOOD
JOB THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THE HOMEWORK AND THAT YEAH I
KNOW HARD THIS STUFF IS AS WE
DO WITH ALL THESE CHALLENGES
AND THE LIKE BUT I I REALLY
APPRECIATE IT THIS IS A SERIOUS
SERIOUS EFFORT IT TAKES A LOT
OF BRAIN POWER TO TO FIGURE
OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS
TRANSITION AWAY FROM FOSSIL
FUEL WITHOUT AS PRIVATE THANKS
SO MUCH ALL RIGHT WELL LET'S
SEE FIRST OF ALL I AGREE WITH
YOU THIS IS FANTASTIC STAFF ON
THIS COMMITTEE -- AND THEN --
AS SOON AS WE GET A QUORUM WE
WILL ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD
WITH A LOT WILL LOVE MOVE
THE BILL HELLO HI MOVED AS WE
MOVED AND SECONDED BUT WE CAN'T
DO THAT YET BECAUSE WE DON'T
HAVE A QUORUM BUT OBVIOUSLY
THERE'S A BOARD HERE THANK YOU
ALL RIGHT GOOD LUCK SO MUCH
BRIDGETT MENTIONING YOUR MANY
THE CURTIS OKAY SENATOR CORTEZ
HE PLEASE COME FORWARD YEAH
GOOD JOB NOTHING THE QUESTION
IS ASKING BUT RULES NEED
YEAH THANK SO THIS IS
ITEM NUMBER TWO S.
B.
THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE CORTEZ
HE ELECTRICITY MULTI FAMILY
HOUSING LOCAL SOLAR PROGRAM
OBTENER PROCEED WHEN READY
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR AND
MEMBERS SOME TODAY I'M HERE
TO PERCENT SB THIRTEEN EIGHTY
FIVE A BILL THAT WILL EXTEND
SEWER ACCESS TO LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES IT'LL PUT MORE
SOLAR AND STORAGE ON THE GRID
AT AN ACCELERATED RATE AND IT
WILL PROVIDE BILL SAVINGS TO
THOSE WHO NEED IT MOST THROUGH
PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE CALIFORNIA
SOLAR INITIATIVE PROGRAM IN
THE NET ENERGY METERING PROGRAM
THE ROOFTOP SOLAR MARKET HAS
GROWN HOWEVER A STRIKINGLY
LOW PERCENTAGE OF THESE FUNDS
WERE RESERVED FOR LOW INCOME
TENANTS IN MULTI FAMILY HOUSING
THERE BEEN GOOD EFFORTS IN THE
PAST REACHES POPULATION SUCH
AS THE MULTI FAMILY AFFORDABLE
SORE HOUSING PROGRAM OTHERWISE
KNOWN AS MASH IN THE STORE A
MULTI FAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SOMA YET
THESE WILL ONLY SCRATCH THE
SURFACE OF THE AMOUNT OF LOW
INCOME RATEPAYERS THAT COULD
BENEFIT SKEWS ME THAT COULD
BENEFIT FROM SEWER AND REDUCE
ENERGY BILLS WITH THE PRICES OF
ENERGY INCREASING AND CLIMATE
CHANGE IMPACTS BECOMING MORE
AND MORE DEVASTATING THE STATE
MUST TAKE MULTIPLE APPROACHES
TO REDUCING ENERGY BILLS FOR
LOW INCOME RATEPAYERS GET SOLAR
AND STORAGE ON THE GRID AN
ACCELERATED RATE SB THIRTEEN
EIGHTY FIVE WOULD ACHIEVE THIS
GOAL BY CREATING A PROGRAM
THAT ASKED THE INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES TO BUILD AND OPERATE
SOLAR INSTALLERS SYSTEMS TO
PROVIDE LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS
WITH BILL CREDITS AND PROVIDE
RESILIENCY TO THE GRID WITHOUT
SHIFTING COSTS DON'T NON
PARTICIPATING CUSTOMERS I
WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS
PROGRAM WOULD NOT USE REPAIR
FUNDS INVOLVED NO COST SHIFT
TO REPAIRS NOT PARTICIPATING
IN THE PROGRAM WE DRAFTED THE
BILL TO EXPLICITLY PROHIBIT THE
IOUS FROM RECOVERING COSTS FROM
THE REPAIRS IN THE PROGRAM WE
ALSO TOOK AMENDMENTS AND SENATE
ENERGY COMMITTEE TO COMPLETELY
CARVE OUT PROPERTIES THAT ARE
ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUMMER PROGRAM
IN ANY FUTURE EXPANSION OF
THE PROGRAM'S ELIGIBILITY THE
OPPOSITION CONTINUES TO CLAIM
THAT THIS WILL NEGATIVELY
IMPACT THE SUMMER PROGRAM
SOMEHOW AND PROVIDE A SMALLER
BENEFIT TO TENANTS AND ROLE
IN THE PROGRAM BUT REALLY BOTH
CLAIMS ARE FALSE AND BE HAPPY
TO TALK ABOUT THAT MORE THIS
PROGRAM REACHES AN ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT POOL OF PROPERTIES
THAN THOSE ELIGIBLE FOR SELMA
IT SERVES LOW INCOME REPAIRS
THAT WOULD NEVER OTHERWISE HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF
THE SUMMER PROGRAM I WANT TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE AND THE
CHAIR FOR THE HARD WORKING
IN THIS BILL READY FOR ITS
HEARING TODAY -- IN THAT VEIN
I GLADLY ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE
MEMBERS DESCRIBED ON PAGES
NINE PAGES TEN PAGE ELEVEN OF
THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS HERE TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL
OR SCOTT WELCH ON BEHALF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION
OF ELECTRICAL WORKERS AND
MARK JOSEPH ON BEHALF OF THE
COALITION OF CALIFORNIA UTILITY
EMPLOYEES IN AT THE APPROPRIATE
TIME I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR
AYE BOTH ALL RIGHT RESERVED
YOU'RE A MEMBER SCOTT WHAT'S
YOUR HALF OF THE I.
B.
E.
W.
I JUST WANT TO PUT A FEW
FACTS WITH THIS BILL IS ALL
ABOUT STATE CALIFORNIA'S BUT
THREE BILLION DOLLARS IN THE
CALIFORNIA SOLAR INITIATIVE
LESS THAN TWO PERCENT OF
THAT WENT TO SOLAR ON LOW
INCOME HOUSING OR OR MULTIPLE
MULTI FAMILY HOUSING LESS
THAN TWO PERCENT UNDER THE
DAM PROGRAM WE HAVE BUILT
TWELVE THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF
SUBSIDIZE ROOFTOP SOLAR LESS
THAN EIGHTY NINE MEGAWATTS AND
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES OUT
OF TWELVE THOUSAND LAST YEAR
THE HAAS SCHOOL OF BUSINESS A
BERKELEY PUT OUT A STUDY THAT
FOUND THAT BLACK AND BROWN
COMMUNITIES HAVE COMPLETELY
BEEN LEFT BEHIND WHEN IT COMES
TO ROOFTOP SOLAR EVEN WHEN
YOU FACTOR IN INCOME WHEN
YOU LOOK AT COMMUNITIES OF
WHITE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE YOU
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR WITH EQUAL
MEDIAN INCOMES LESS SOLAR BEING
INSTALLED THERE THIS IS A BILL
ABOUT EQUITY TO PROVIDE THE
LOWEST RUN RATE PAYERS -- THE
ABILITY TO ENJOY THE BENEFITS
OF ROOFTOP SOLAR READ URGENT
I'VE ALL RIGHT THANK YOU MAY
GO AHEAD THANK YOU MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS MARK JOSEPH ON BEHALF
OF THE COALITION OF CALIFORNIA
UTILITY EMPLOYEES SHE HEARD
THIS WILL CREATE THIS BILL OKAY
NEW PROGRAM TO BRING MORE SOLAR
AND STORAGE TO THE GRID AN
APPROVED FOR LIABILITY CAL ALSO
REQUIRED THAT BILL CREDITS ARE
GIVEN TO LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS
LIVING IN MULTI FAMILY HOUSING
IT DOES ALL THIS WITHOUT
IMPOSING ANY COSTS ARE SHIFTING
COSTS TWENTY CUSTOMERS THERE
IS NO OTHER PROGRAM THAT DOES
THIS SO HOW WOULD IT WORK THE
BILL WOULD DIRECT THE UTILITIES
TO BUILD SOLAR AND STORAGE ON
OR NEAR MULTI FAMILY HOUSING
WITH LOW INCOME RESIDENTS
THE UTILITIES WOULD OPERATE
THE PROJECT TO MAXIMIZE THE
BENEFITS FOR THE SYSTEM AND FOR
ALL CUSTOMERS UTILITY ROOM AND
TAKE THE REVENUES FROM SELLING
FROM OPERATING THE PROJECT
FROM SELLING THE OUTPUT INTO
THE ENERGY MARKETS AND SELLING
THEIR OUTPUT INTO THE R.
A.
CAPACITY MARKETS AND USE
THE REVENUE TO PAY OFF THE
FACILITIES PAY HALF THE COST
OF THE PROJECT IN TO PROVIDE
BILL CREDITS TO LOW INCOME
CUSTOMERS THE REASON THIS WOULD
WORK IS THAT THE BILL WOULD
HAVE THE UTILITIES BILLING
THE PROJECTS AND PROFITING
ONLY AT THE REGULATED RATE
OF RETURN WHICH IS ABOUT TEN
PERCENT SO INSTEAD OF THE
HIGHER RATE OF RETURN THAT MOST
PRIVATE DEVELOPERS REQUIRE WE
WOULD TAKE THAT EXTRA PROFIT
AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN
THE POCKETS OF THE PRIVATE
DEVELOPERS WE PUT IN THE
POCKETS OF LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS
THAT'S THE BASIC STRUCTURE
OF THE BILL AND BE HAPPY TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN TIME IS
APPROPRIATE THANK YOU ARE YES
AND THAT WAS THAT THAT ANSWERS
THE QUESTION I HAD AS TO HOW
YOU MAKE SURE RATE PAYERS DON'T
PAY FOR IT -- ALL RIGHT THAT'S
INTERESTING SO WHY DON'T WE
NOW SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER
PEOPLE IN THE ROOM IN SUPPORT
SEEING NONE WE CAN GO TO THE
PHONE LINES AND AGAIN WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT -- CORTESE S.
B.
THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE --
OPERATOR PLEASE ASK THOSE
IN SUPPORT TO GIVE NAME
AFFILIATION IF ANY IMPOSITION
YOUR IN SUPPORT OF SB THIRTEEN
EIGHTY FIVE PLEASE PRESS ONE
THEN ZERO WE HAVE LINE SIXTY
SEVEN SIXTY SEVEN YOUR LINE
IS OPEN SORRY I'M NOT IN FAVOR
ARE YOU CAN GET A LINEBACKER
UP IT'S FINE JUST GO AHEAD AND
SAY WHICH ONE TO SAY ABOUT THE
BILL IF YOU'RE OPPOSED WE ARE
HAVE TO GET A SECOND TIME THE
OKAY YOU CAN GO AHEAD SIXTY
SEVEN DID YOU WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING YES MANY YEARS
DID NOT HAVE IT RECUR AND IN
ORANGE CALIFORNIA AND A OPPOSE
THANK YOU GO AHEAD OUR NEXT
SIGN OF SIXTY THREE YOUR LINE
IS OPEN SIXTY THREE VOEPEL
SCHENKER RECKLEZZ ENERGY
OPPOSED THANK SEVEN MY NUMBER
EIGHTY FOR YOUR LINE IS OPEN
EIGHTY FOUR DANIEL GOOD CARE
THE BEHALF TURN THE UTILITY
REFORM NETWORK WITH ACTION
WITH WILL BOTH SUPPORT POSITION
BASED ON RECENT MOMENTS
LIKE THAT THANK THE AUTHOR
AND AT THIS TIME THERE IS
NOBODY ELSE THANK YOU VERY
GOOD THOUGHT NOW WILL ASK
THE A IS THERE A PRIMARY
WITNESS IN OPPOSITION
YES PLEASE COME FORWARD
AND COME TO THE TABLE
DR THANK YOU SIR THANK
YOU ASSEMBLY UTILITIES AND
ENERGY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
AND STAFF FOR YOUR ATTENTION
MY NAME IS ALLEY D.
TRAIL AND THE POLICY ADVISER
FOR IB ENERGY WE ARE A MULTI
FAMILY SOLAR BILLING SOFTWARE
PROVIDER THAT HAS DEVELOPED
A SOLUTION TO SOLVE THE SPLIT
INCENTIVE PROBLEM IT BETWEEN
LANDLORDS AND TENANTS WE'RE
HERE TODAY TO ENCOURAGE YOU
TO VOTE NO ON THIRTEEN EIGHTY
FIVE I THE ENERGY SUPPORTS
THE UNDERLYING INTENT OF THIS
PROPOSAL WE WANT MORE RENTERS
TO BENEFIT FROM RENEWABLE
ENERGY AND HAVE EQUITABLE
ACCESS TO SOLAR AS COMPARED
WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS
HOWEVER AT THIS BILL DOES NOT
ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS AND IT
WOULD UNDERMINE EFFORTS ALREADY
UNDER WAY TO INSTALL AND SCALE
MULTI FAMILY SOLAR FOR RENTERS
IN APARTMENTS THE BILL IGNORES
EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT ARE
IN PLACE TO HELP MULTI FAMILY
SOLAR AND RENTERS THERE'S AN
ACTIVE CPUC DOCKET CONSIDERING
THESE VERY ISSUES ON MULTI
FAMILY SOLAR RIGHT NOW AND IT
WOULD BE PREMATURE TO CREATE A
NEW PROGRAM THE A LEGISLATION
UNTIL THE CQC ISSUES THIS
NEW DECISION THE ECONOMICS OF
THIS PROPOSAL DO NOT ADD UP
THE COMMITTEES ANALYSES SHOW
ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO SEVEN
MILLION DOLLARS OF RATEPAYER
MONEY YOU'RE GONNA BE SPENT
ON THIS PROGRAM SO IT IS
DUPLICATIVE TO OTHER POLICIES
AND NOT A GOOD USE OF TAXPAYER
OR RATEPAYER DOLLARS AND THESE
ASSETS WOULD NOT BE PAID OFF
IN A TIMELY OR COST EFFECTIVE
MANNER COMPARED TO EXISTING
PROGRAMS WITH THE HIGH COST OF
UTILITY CAPITAL AND PROTECTING
SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
OF THIRTY YEARS TO PAY THESE
ASSETS OFF MULTI FAMILY SOLAR
IS HAPPENING AT SCALE WITH
VIRTUAL NET METERING AND OTHER
PROGRAMS TODAY TITLE TWENTY
FOUR SOLAR MANDATE THE GREATER
MARKET AWARENESS MY APARTMENT
OWNERS HAVE GAINED FAMILIARITY
WITH VIETNAM AND OTHER PROGRAMS
AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO LEARN
A NEW ONE AND JUST IN THE PAST
THREE YEARS BECAUSE YOU SAW
THE SPLIT INCENTIVE PROGRAM ONE
MULTI FAMILY SOLAR ADOPTION HAS
TRIPLED IN INSTALLED CAPACITY
FROM TWENTY TWENTY IT WAS AT
THIRTY MEGAWATTS TO NOW IT'S
ONLY NINETY MY ALMOST NINETY
MEGAWATTS IN TWENTY TWENTY TWO
AND THIS IS ON RECORD AT THE C.
P.
U.
C.
AS WELL WE HAVE SOLVED THIS
BUTTONS ON A PROBLEM AND
WOULD LIKE MORE TIME WITH THE
EXISTING PROGRAMS TO CONTINUE
MAKING PROGRESS ON MULTI FAMILY
SOLAR THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT
PROVIDE THE SAME BENEFITS TO
BENEFITS TO TENANTS AS BEING
-- SO BEING AN EQUITABLE
SOLUTION FOR RENTERS IT WOULD
NOT HELP THEM GET ON A LEVEL
PLAYING FIELD WITH SINGLE
FAMILY HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE
SOLAR THIS BILL WOULD DERAIL
ALL THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN
MADE ON MULTI FAMILY SOLAR AND
WE RESPECTFULLY ENCOURAGE A NO
VOTE TODAY ON THIRTEEN EIGHTY
FIVE THANK YOU THANK YOU --
OTHER WITNESS GOOD AFTERNOON
MY NAME IS AND ESPERANZA
VIELMA AND -- I WANT IT SAY
GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE CHAIR
AND THE MEMBERS AND I SERVE
AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COALITION FOR WATER HE J.
C.
W.
AND ALSO A STATEWIDE
ORGANIZATION CO FOUNDER OF THE
COALITION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
EQUITY IN ECONOMICS ALONG
WITH GREEN THE CHURCH AND CO
FAMILY WE WORK DAILY WITH OUR
FRONT LINE COMMUNITIES AND
WE'RE STATEWIDE COALITION THAT
REPRESENTS OUR LATINO IMMIGRANT
COMMUNITIES AFRICAN AMERICAN
CHURCHES AND URBAN NATIVE
COMMUNITIES WE STRONGLY OPPOSE
SB THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE BECAUSE
IT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE
INTERESTS OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE COMMUNITIES ARE
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES ALSO INCLUDE LOWER
MIDDLE INCOME COMMUNITIES THE
BILL WILL COST OUR COMMUNITIES
UP TO SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS
AGAIN THE -- ASSEMBLY YOU
KNOW STATING THREE MILLION
DOLLARS AND SENATE-TV ANALYSIS
OF SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS ALSO
THE STUDY AT UC BERKELEY --
FROM THAT PARTICULAR STUDY
THEY DO RECEIVE FUNDING
FROM SOME OF THE I.
O.
USE SO I DON'T KNOW HOW
AND BIAS THE STUDY IS THE
COMMITTEE'S OWN ANALYSIS
SAYS THE PROGRAM WILL COST
AT LEAST THREE MILLION
DOLLARS TO RATE PAYERS AND
THE PROGRAM WILL GIVE THEM
IN RETURN ZERO PROJECTS AND
ZERO SAVINGS LET'S INSTEAD
BUILD ON WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE
WE CAN BUILD SOLAR FOR ALL
CALIFORNIANS AND TRULY MAKE
SOLAR EQUITABLE DON'T CREATE
MORE BUREAUCRACY THAT WILL
ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR ALREADY
MARGINALIZED ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE COMMUNITIES DO THE
RIGHT THING FOR WHAT IS BEST
FOR YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
CONSTITUENTS AND VOTE NO ON S.
B.
THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE THANK
YOU THANK YOU AND I'LL NOTE I
GAVE BOTH SIDES FOUR MINUTES
-- RATHER THAN THE TWO THAT
COMMITTEE POLICY BECAUSE LEAST
FOR THE MOMENT I'M THE CHAIR
AT ANY RATE SO OTHERS IN THE
ROOM IN OPPOSITION KIM STONE
STONE ADVOCACY ON BEHALF THE
CALIFORNIA SOLAR AND STORAGE
ASSOCIATION AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION AND I HOPE I'M NOT
ON SENATOR HERTZBERG EXEMPTION
LAST I DON'T THINK SO ALL RIGHT
OTHERS IN OPPOSITION PLEASE
COME FORWARD YES HI MARVI BONGO
WITH ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COALITION FOR WATER OPPOSED
HELLO MY NAME'S GEORGE BEING
AROUND I AM WITH BOTH NEWS
ORGANIZATION AND WE OPPOSE
THANK YOU SIR AND MA'AM --
APPRECIATED PLAN JUST PEOPLE
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BILLS COME
HERE TO TALK THAT AREN'T THE
PROS AND REALLY APPRECIATE
YOUR COMING IN -- SO LET'S SAID
NOW GO TO THE PHONES ARE WE
CAN HAVE UP TO TWENTY MINUTES
I HOPE IT'S NOT THAT LONG --
PEOPLE ON THE PHONES AGAIN
NAME OUR AFFILIATION IF ANY
OR YOU CAN GIVE WHERE YOU LIVE
AND THEN YOUR POSITION EITHER
SUPPORT OR OPPOSE GO AHEAD
OPERATOR FOUR CAN S.
B.
THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE
THANK YOU IF YOU ARE OPPOSED TO
THIRTY SB THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE
PLEASE PRESS ONE THEN ZERO AND
OUR FIRST SIGN IS NINETY FOUR
NINETY FOUR AIRLINE IS OPEN
HELLO MY NAME IS LAURA
ROSENBERGER HAIDAR SHE SENT
ME AND PRESIDENT AGAINST
FRACKING ALSO OPPOSES S.
B.
THIS BILL S.
ONE THREE EIGHT FIVE THANK YOU
THANK -- BLIND BLIND SIXTY NINE
YOUR LINE IS OPEN SIXTY NINE
MY NUMBER SIXTY NINE
YOUR LINE IS OPEN
WE WILL MOVE ON THE LINE NINETY
NINE YOUR LINE IS OPEN NINETY
NINE JESSICA CRAVEN FROM THE
NEOLOG CLIMATE COLLECTIVE AND
ALSO THE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC
PARTY ENVIRONMENTAL CAUCUS
APPROACHED NINE NINETY EIGHT
YOUR LINE IS OPEN NINETY EIGHT
HI STEPHANIE BROWN FROM THE
TWW INDESTRUCTIBLE MASCOT AS
OPPOSED RESPECTFULLY THANK
YOU LINE NINETY SEVEN YOUR
LINE IS OPEN NINETY SEVEN
I'M SORRY ONE MOMENT MY
NINETY SEVEN YOUR LINE IS
OPEN NINETY SEVEN HELLO
VAN RAIN WOOD LIVERMORE
INDIVISIBLE AND EXPECTING
CARL LANCE IN OPPOSITION
THANK YOU AND MY NUMBER SIXTY
THREE YOUR LINE IS OPEN SIX P.
THREE YEAH GOPALA JUNCKER
RECALLED ENERGY JUST CONFIRMING
THAT I AM IN A POSITION TO
COOKING EIGHTY FIVE THANK
YOU MY NUMBER EIGHTY ONE
YOUR LINE IS OPEN EIGHTY ONE
YEAH THIS CHAIR MEMBERS JOHN
DORIAN BAPTIST SON RUN IN
OPPOSITION THANK YOU I NINETY
SIX CHINA'S OPEN NINETY SIX
FRIEDMAN GONZALEZ ON BEHALF
OF HIM AND CLIMATE POLLUTION
IN OPPOSITION NINE SIXTY EIGHT
YOUR LINE IS OPEN SIXTY EIGHT
THANK YOU MY NAME IS ALEX AND
I AM WITH REIMAGINE POWER IN
OPPOSITION OF THIRTEEN EIGHTY
FIVE THANK YOU FOR FLYING
NUMBER ONE HUNDRED YOUR LINE IS
OPEN ONE HUNDRED HELLO ST PAUL
SAN DIEGO CALIFORNIA BUT SERVE
ON THOSE SHOULD BE SUSTAINABLE
ENERGY ACQUIRES REPORT ON
IN OPPOSITION TO THIS FOR
ALL THE REGIONS OF WITNESSES
TESTIMONY OF BARACK COURT
THANK YOU MY NUMBER SEVENTY
NINE YOUR LINE IS OPEN SEVENTY
NINE HELLO MY NAME IS LEAH
PRESTON FROM CULVER CITY I'M A
MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY ENVIRONMENTAL
POCKETS AND I AM IN A POSITION
MY NUMBER SIXTY SIX YOUR
LINE IS OPEN SIXTY SIX GOOD
AFTERNOON ACTING CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS -- ACTING
CHAIR YOU'RE DOING A GREAT
JOB THIS IS THE WORST CENTER
AND ON BEHALF OF THE CUT DAM
WINTERS COUNCIL AND PARTLY
TENANTS UNION WE ARE RESPECTFUL
BUT STRONG OPPOSITION THANK
YOU MY NUMBER EIGHTY YOUR
LINE IS OPEN LINE EIGHTY
GOOD AFTERNOON THIS IS
BEVERLY DAY SHOWING WITH
ELECTRIC VEHICLE ASSOCIATION
THE CENTRAL COAST WE OPPOSE
THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE M.
LINE NUMBER ONE ZERO ONE
YOUR LINE IS OPEN ONE A ONE
HELLO THIS IS SCOTT AT LUKE
THE CALIFORNIA ALLIANCE
FOR COMMUNITY ENERGY AND
WE ALSO OPPOSE THE BILL
AND AT THIS TIME THERE'S
NOBODY LEFT IN Q.
OKAY WELL AGAIN THANKS FOR ALL
WHO CALL DAN AND CARA THE USER
JUST PEOPLE TAKE AN INTEREST IN
THIS AND ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS
AND THAT'S REALLY APPRECIATED
-- SO NEXT WE HAVE HEARD
FROM SUPPORT IN OPPOSITION
SO ASSEMBLY MEMBERS -- WOULD
YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD TO
TRAP SO YOU KNOW I'M AS YOU
AS YOU ALL KNOW -- THIS IS --
BOB SORT OF IT FOR ME -- AND
BECAUSE I'M NOT RUNNING FOR
REELECTION -- I GET TO SAY
THINGS THAT MOST POLITICIANS I
WON'T SAY I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT
THIS BILL ACTUALLY DOES AND
I'LL JUST SUGGEST THAT THE BOTH
THE OPPOSITION AND THE AND THE
SUPPORT DIDN'T MAKE IT VERY
CLEAR OF WHAT THIS BILL BUT
THIS BILL DOES ALL WHAT I'VE
BEEN HEARING IS A IT SOUNDS
LIKE A CONTEST BETWEEN THE
TWO FOLKS -- THAT HAVE BEEN
AT WAR WITH THE EACH OTHER IN
THE PAST AND SO IF IF WE CAN I
DON'T KNOW MAYBE I'M THE ONLY
ONE THAT GETS THIS -- BUT YOU
KNOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT SORT OF
THE THE PROS AND THE CONS OF
THIS BILL WHY IT'S GOOD PUBLIC
POLICY THAT WOULD BE A WISE
BAD PUBLIC POLICY THAT WOULD
BE HELPFUL SO JUST WONDERING
IF -- IF I CAN GET A LITTLE
BIT OF A LET'S LET'S HEAR --
I'M NOT QUITE SURE SO I HAVE
A LIST THAT WAS SENT IN BY THE
OPPOSITION IN THEIR LETTER FROM
THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AND
WHY DO WE TAKE THESE ONE AT A
TIME AND WE CAN HAVE THE PRO
SIDE AND THE CON SIDE ANSWER
THEM DO YOU NEED TO GET MR WEBB
CHAPTER YOU'LL ANSWER MISTER
JOSEPH OF CASH ALL RIGHT SO
THE FIRST COMMENT HERE IS --
THIS WOULD BE YOUR CLAIM THE
AMENDMENTS TAKEN AND SENATE
ENERGY COMPLETELY CARVE OUT
ALL PROPERTIES ELIGIBLE FOR
SELMA AND THE RESPONSE FROM
THE OPPOSITION WAS THE HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS
OF MULTI FAMILY RENTAL UNITS
THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR SELMA
BUT STILL HAVE STILL HOUSE OR
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOUSE
JANET HOUSEHOLDS BELOW MARKET
RATES IT WOULD BE UNDERMINED
IN THIS PROGRAM AND I DON'T
REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU
SAID YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND
IT EITHER OUR I UNDERSTAND IF
YOU'RE ASKING ME THAT I MEAN
IT'S IN THE BILL OF COURSE
YOU CAN REVIEW RELIANCE VERY
VERY CLEAR LANGUAGE THAT SAYS
-- THAT'S WHAT WE ASK THE
OPPOSITION SO WHY IF THEY'RE
EXCLUDING AREAS ARE UNITS
THAT ARE ON THE EXCLUDED FROM
SELMA IT'S ACTUALLY UNDERMINE
SELMA HOW IS THAT TRUE SO I
DID NOT MENTION SAMA IN MY
TESTIMONY SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE
SO MUCH IS FOR DEED RESTRICTED
AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS
OF WHICH THERE ARE YOU KNOW
SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND IN
THE STATE DURING THEIR OVER
SIXTEEN MILLION RENTERS IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA MOST
OF THEM EVEN IF THEY'RE LOW
INCOME MORE AND DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES LIVING GENERAL
MARKET APARTMENTS RIGHT VIRTUAL
NET METERING AND OTHER PROGRAMS
ARE ALREADY SERVING THAT MARKET
SEGMENT SO CARVING OUT STOMA
OR DENY STRICT IN HOUSING STILL
DOES NOT ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS
AT THE EXISTING PROGRAM THAT
IS IN PLACE AND AS I MENTIONED
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF XCELERATED
SOLAR ADOPTION AT THESE MULTI
FAMILY BUILDINGS IN THE LAST
COUPLE YEARS NOW THAT WE'VE
SOLVED THE SPLIT INCENTIVE
PROBLEM WHICH I SHOULD ADD
ALLOWS APARTMENT OWNERS TO
MONETIZE THE SOLAR ASSETS
WITHOUT HAVING TO RAISE HOUSING
COSTS OR THEIR OWN OPERATING
COSTS WHICH IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT FOR MAINTAINING --
I'M VERY EQUITABLE PROGRAM AND
SO THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR MULTI FAMILY RENTERS SO
THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO PASS
ON SAVINGS TO MULTI FAMILY
RENTERS TODAY UNDER VENUM
THE PROPOSAL THAT'S CURRENTLY
ON THE TABLE I WOULD PROVIDE
SOMETHING IN THE WHOLESALE
MARKET COST RECOVERY RANGE OF
THREE CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR AND
THESE PRO THIS PROPOSAL WOULD
EFFECTIVELY NEVER GET PAID
OFF THEY WOULD TAKE OUT MORE
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THIRTY
YEARS AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT
RATE BASING THESE ASSETS WILL
BE UTILITIES RATE BASE SAYING
SOLAR AND STORAGE ON OR NEAR
MULTI FAMILY HOUSING WHICH
AGAIN WE ALREADY HAVE PROGRAMS
IN PLACE TO DO THAT LOWER COST
OF CAPITAL LOWER IMPACT TO RATE
PAYERS THIS BILL IS UNNECESSARY
AND DUPLICATIVE OKAY SO FIRST
OF ALL THE POINT YOU MADE IS
THAT IT'S VERY NINETY IS NOT
A LOT NOW TO TWELVE THOUSAND
SO ARE YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOING
ALL THAT FAST WOULD YOU LIKE
TO SAY SOMETHING MISTER JOSEPH
FOR MISTER WELCH YES THANK YOU
-- FIRST THE SPLIT INCENTIVE
QUESTION UNLIKE THE OTHER
PROGRAMS FOR PEOPLE IN MULTI
FAMILY HOUSING THIS PROGRAM
DOES NOT INVOLVE THE LANDLORDS
PAGE FIVE NINE ELEVEN THE
PROPERTY OWNER OF QUALIFIED
MULTI FAMILY HOUSING SHALL NOT
BE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN
THE PROGRAM WE DON'T HAVE A
SPLIT INCENTIVE PROGRAM BECAUSE
THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH WITH
THE LANDLORD THIS IS ON OR NEAR
THE MULTI FAMILY HOUSING IN ITS
UTILITIES DEALING DIRECTLY WITH
THEIR OWN CUSTOMERS THEY DON'T
HAVE THE PROP THIS BUT INSTEAD
A PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT
GOING THROUGH THE LANDLORD
THAT'S ONE OF THE VIRTUES OF
THIS PROGRAM IS IT DOESN'T HAVE
ALL OF THE GREAT DIFFICULTY BUT
THOSE HAVE SECOND ALL OF THE
OTHER PROGRAMS HAVE SOME KIND
OF SUBSIDY FROM RATE PAYERS BY
BY DEFINITION THAT MAKES THEM
NOT SCALABLE THEY CAN NEVER GET
BIG BECAUSE OF THE RATE PAYERS
ARE PAYING FOR THEIR VALUABLE
WHICH SUPPORTS ON WHICH
SUPPORT THE OTHER PROGRAMS
BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE
A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE THE
VIRTUE OF THIS PROGRAM IS IT
DEPENDS AND REALIZED ONLY ON
MARKET REVENUES AND IT DOES
NOT PUT ANY COST BURDEN ON
ANY OTHER RATE PAYERS WE SAY
IT THREE TIMES IN THE BILL
AND PAGE FIVE LINE TWENTY
EIGHT A LARGE ELECTRICAL
CORPORATION SHALL NOT CITIES
COST TO NOT TO SPEND CUSTOMERS
THEY WILL NOT BE RATE BASED
IT'S PROHIBITED IN THE BILL
COSTS FOR SOLAR AND STORAGE
SYSTEM DEVELOPED UNDER THIS
PROGRAM SHALL BE EXCLUSIVELY
RECOVERED THROUGH A PORTION
OF THE REVENUE GENERATED BY
THE SYSTEM A LARGE ELECTRICAL
CORPORATION SHALL NOT OBLIGATE
NON PARTICIPATING CUSTOMERS
FOR COST RECOVERY THAT'S WHY
THIS ONE IS FUNDAMENTALLY
DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER
PROGRAMS WHICH HAVE PERFECTLY
VALID SUBSIDIES BUT THIS ONE
IS NOT SUBSIDIZED THAT'S WHY
IT'S DIFFERENT LAST THERE ARE
A NUMBER OF OTHER PROGRAMS OUT
THERE IT'S BEEN A CONCERN OF
THIS COMMITTEE THAT THERE A
NUMBER OF OTHER PROGRAMS AND
YOU'RE VERY ABLE CONSULTANTS
-- HAS PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT
TO DIRECT TO THE PC TO CONSIDER
THE WHOLE UNIVERSE OF PROGRAMS
AND TO EVALUATE THEM TO KEEP
THE GOOD ONES AND MODIFY OR
ELIMINATE THE BAD ONCE BEFORE
THIS EVER HAPPENS THIS PROGRAM
WILL HAVE TO BE EVALUATED
COMPARED TO THE OTHERS AND THE
COMMISSION WILL PICK THE GOOD
ONES AND FIX THE OTHERS AND
REJECT THE ONES THAT ARE NOT
GOOD SO WE'LL COME OUT OF
THIS WITH THE BEST PROGRAMS
-- BASED OUT OF -- ANALYSIS
OKAY BUT THEY'RE SAYING --
EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN YOUR BILL
SO CLEARLY REPAIRS CAN'T PAY
INTO THIS BUT THEY'RE SAYING
THERE'S A THREE MILLION DOLLAR
DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF
INCOME NEEDED TO PAY IT OFF
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
NOW LOS SO LET ME JUST CHECK
ACOSTA ON THE CITY'S
GRANDPA OKAY THREE
MILLION IS FROM THE C.
P.
U.
C.
TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM THAT
BUT IT'S THEN IT WOULD COME
FROM IT THAT WOULD COME OUT
OF THE INCOME DERIVED FROM THE
THIS PROGRAM IS THAT CORRECT
OR WOULD IT COME FROM RATE
PAYERS THAT WOULD COME FROM
THE COMMISSION'S BUDGET AND
THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE QUESTION
FOR THE PROCREATION COMMITTEE
TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT THREE
OKAY SO THAT DOES COME THAT
THREE MILLION OR SEVEN MILLION
WHATEVER THE NUMBER RICE DOES
COME FROM RATE PAYERS NOW I
UNDERSTAND THEN YOU KNOW THAT'S
GOOD ARE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT
YOU MEAN SAID -- SO YOU'VE
ALSO ANSWERED A NUMBER OF
OTHER OF THE QUESTIONS HERE --
SO ASSEMBLY MEMBER THE CAMERA
CHAD MAYES -- DO YOU FEEL ANY
BETTER -- NO COULD YOU RESTATE
YOUR QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND
WHAT I HEARD I MEAN IT'S BETTER
TALKING ABOUT THE POLICY GREAT
QUESTION PROVIDED THE OPENING
CLOSING -- GOOD STUFF OVER THE
PHONE FOR THE OPPOSITION --
IS THAT THE ACTORS -- IT WAS
IT WAS NOT ABOUT THE POLICY IT
WAS ALL ABOUT THESE GROUPS OF
PEOPLE VERSUS THE YEAH -- ABOUT
THE POLICY AND -- WHAT I'D
LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THIS IS IS
WHETHER THIS IS A THIS IS FILE
BUT IN ANY UTILITIES AND ENERGY
COMMITTEE WHETHER THIS IS A
GOOD BILL -- OR IT'S A BAD BILL
AND WHY THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT
WHY THIS IS A GOOD OR A OR A
BAD SO I THINK I CAN SUMMARIZE
HERE THEY WANT THE CURRENT
PROGRAM THAT GIVES A BETTER
RETURN TO APARTMENT OWNERS ARE
THAT SHE'S ME APARTMENT RENTERS
THEY WANT THAT ONE TO BE THE
ONE TO EXPAND THEY'RE SAYING NO
THERE'S IN THREE YEARS YOU'VE
ONLY GOT NINETY MEGAWATTS OUT
OF YOU KNOW TWELVE THOUSAND
FLORIDA LAW THAT PROGRAM'S BEEN
AROUND A LOT FAST LOT LONGER
THIS ONE CAN GO FASTER QUICKER
AND IT THE ONE THAT THEY PREFER
IS HUGE BURDEN TO PEOPLE WHO
DON'T HAVE CELLULAR LIKE ME AND
AREN'T LIKELY TO GET IT I DID
HAVE IT IN MY OLD HOME BUT NOW
I'M AN APARTMENT AND I DON'T
THINK MY APARTMENT BUILDINGS
GOING TO GET IT SO IT'S A HUGE
BURDEN RIGHT NOW ON RATE PAYERS
AND -- I DON'T LIKE THAT I
THINK SOLAR'S MATURE WELL NEVER
ALL OF SAVE THAT FOR LATER
ANYWAY IT DEPENDS WHICH PROGRAM
YOU WANT IF YOU WANT THAT
PROGRAM WHICH GIVES MORE BACK
TO THE APARTMENT RENTERS BUT
PUTS A BURDEN ON THE OTHER RATE
PAYERS THEN YOU WANT TO VOTE
NOW IF YOU LIKE THIS PROGRAM
WHICH IS CLAIMED THAT IT'LL
GET WORSE AT FIFTEEN HUNDRED
MEGAWATTS CORRECTLY BELT SOON
AS I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
RESPOND BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
A FALSE DICHOTOMY THE DEFAULT
HI TO ME BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU
THERE ARE YOU TO ANYTHING NOT
ONLY DO WE NOT THAT LET ME
JUST FINISH THEY'RE SAYING
THAT THEY'RE PROGRAM WILL BRING
FIFTEEN HUNDRED MEGAWATTS UP
QUICKLY AND YES IT DOESN'T GIVE
AS MUCH BACK BUT IT IS A BURDEN
TO RATEPAYERS NOW YOU CAN SAY
WHY IT'S NOT EITHER OR THINGS
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR WELL
THERE'S NOT ONLY DOES THIS NOT
IS NOT A CHOICE BETWEEN THE
PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE ADVOCATING
AND AND WORKING SO HARD ON
IN THIS PROGRAM THAT CHOICE
IS NOT EVEN BEFORE A CERTAIN
THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS BILL
THIS IS NOT AN M.
AND NET METERING THE BILL
IT'S IT DOESN'T EVEN COMPETE
COMPETE IN THE SAME SPACE IN
TERMS OF A PRODUCT -- IT IS
IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF THE
LANDLORD TO OPT IN IN A IN A
WANTED JUST SLIGHTLY CORRECT
OF WHEN MR JOSEPH SAID THIS
IS AN OPT IN PROGRAM SO THE
UTILITY COMES OUT MR MAYES IT
COULD BE TOTALLY COMES OUT ON
THE APARTMENT OWNER IF THROUGH
THE APARTMENT OR WHERE THE
APARTMENT OWNER IS IS PITCHED
-- WOULD YOU LIKE SOLAR ON
YOUR ROOF TOP UTILITIES GOING
TO PAY FOR IT WE'RE GONNA
AMORTIZE OUT THE COST LONG TERM
WITH THE UTILITY THERE'S NO
COST TO YOU OBVIOUSLY WE NEED
EASEMENT -- OR LEASE AGREEMENT
TO GET ON YOUR ROOFTOP IF WE
CAN'T DO THAT WERE OPEN TO
GETTING NEAR THE PROJECT NOT
ON YOUR ROOFTOP BUT WE NEED
SPACE TO PROVIDE IT -- WE ARE
GOING TO NET OUT THAT MINDSET
COSTS OF IMMUNIZATION THE BILL
LITERALLY SAYS TO MAXIMIZE THE
RETURN TO YOUR TENANTS -- IN
IN AND WHATEVER'S LEFT AFTER
THAT -- THE UTILITY GETS KEEP
NOTE OF THE BIGGER BIGGER
QUESTIONS IN WHAT AT WHAT THE
HECK'S IN A FOR THE LANDLORD
AT THAT POINT WHY SHOULD HE
OR SHE DO THAT AND THE ANSWER
THE QUESTION IS HAVING THIRTY
YEARS AGO BEEN VERY INVOLVED
IN MULTI FAMILY CONSTRUCTION
MANAGEMENT IS THE LANDLORD
NOW HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO
GET THE TO AT NO COST TO THE
LAND OR NO CAPITAL COSTS ALONE
WORKS BECAUSE THE SPACE RIGHT
COSTA RICA THE NEW CAPITAL
OUTLAY TO TO OFFER THE TENANTS
THESE THESE BILL CREDITS THAT
ARE COMING FROM UTILITY ON
SOLAR IT'S BASICALLY RIGHT ON
TOP OF THE ROOF TOP THAT'S A
BIG ADVANTAGE COMPETITIVELY
OF THE GUY ACROSS THE STREET
HASN'T DONE THAT NOW IF THE
PERSON ACROSS THE STREET -- IS
PITCHED BY NAM A DAY LATER A
DAY EARLIER OR VENUM AND SAYS
I LIKE THIS PROGRAM I THINK
IT'S I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR
ME THEN SO BE IT WORK NOTHING
IN THIS BILL STOPS THAT FROM
HAPPENING IN FACT NOTHING
IN THIS BILL ACTUALLY EVEN
REQUIRES THE TENANT TO OPT IN
THIS IS ALMOST LIKE COMMUNITY
CHOICE AGGREGATION IN THAT
REGARD IS THAT TEN IN ARBIL THE
TENANT CAN SAY YOU KNOW WHAT
LANDLORDS THANKS FOR PROVIDING
ME A LECTURE CITY CREDITS TO
POWER CREDITS I DON'T WANT
TO -- WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT
MANDATING THAT SO WE BELIEVE
YOU KNOW MUCH LIKE OTHER OTHER
UTILITY INDUSTRIES THAT DID
GROW -- YOU KNOW MUCH MORE
-- AGGRESSIVELY OVERTIME IN
IN FACT STILL NEED TO GROW IN
SOME CASES BE IT A WIRELESS BE
A CABLE -- BE AT -- YOU KNOW
TELECOMMUNICATIONS THAT THAT
THAT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY
GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY PEOPLE
MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY SURE
YOU KNOW GIVE ME THE SERVICE
I'M NOT PAYING FOR IT -- IT'S
BEING PAID FOR BY THE VERY
REVENUE THAT'S BEING PRODUCED
BY THE SOLAR PANELS -- SURE
I'LL TAKE IT IN IN YOU KNOW
THAT'S YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S
WHAT WILL MAKE THE PROGRAM
GO BUT THIS THIS BILL IN NO
WAY SHE PERFORMANCE EVER THE
GONE INTO ANY KIND OF BUT YOU
KNOW FOR TAT -- TYPE OF OF OF
CALLING OUT OR COMPETITION OR
PUSHING OUT FOR SHOPPING OUT
OF THE VENUM WHICH IS WHAT
THESE FOLKS REPRESENT -- OUR
VIEW IS GOD BLESS YOU GET AS
MUCH VENUM OUT THERE AS YOU
CAN AS YOU WANT YOU KNOW WITH
THAT BUSINESS MODEL BUT THAT
SHOULDN'T STOP THE INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES WHO HAVE THE
LEVERAGE IN THE CAPITAL AND
THE SCHEDULED TO GO OUT THERE
IN DRAMATICALLY INCREASE
THE AMOUNT OF SOLAR -- THAT
APARTMENT OWNERS OPT INTO FOR
LOW INCOME TENANTS IT SHOULDN'T
STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING AND
THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING IN IN
AND ON TOP OF THAT WE'RE SAYING
IF WE'RE WRONG WE'VE TAKEN THE
COMMITTEE IMPAIRMENTS THAT SAY
-- THE CPU SEES EVALUATION YOU
KNOW WILL ALTERNATELY BE THE
FINAL JUDGE OF THAT OKAY AND
I KNOW I I WILL NOTE THAT THE
OPPOSITION TO SQUIRM AND DAY
DON'T BELIEVE A WORD YOU SAID
AND AND I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT
NEEDS TO BE SAID CRACKED DOWN
THERE OBVIOUSLY SO IT'S IF IT'S
SOMEPLACE YOU HAVE A QUESTION
FOR THE QUESTION MR REYES
AND BY THE WAY THIS IS TIME
WELL SPENT IF ALL THE BILLS
THAT CAME UP TODAY THIS IS THE
ONE I FOUND THE MOST CONFUSING
THE BALLOT RIGHT OKAY GOOD
I'M GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY
ONE THOUSAND THAT'S THAT'S
A BIT A BIT CONFUSED -- IT'S
SO YEAH AND AND I'M JOINED BY
MY COLLEAGUE AND SHE -- THAT
JUST BEFORE YOU CAN I JUST ADD
SOMETHING REALLY QUICK I MEAN I
LOOK AT IT FROM THE BOTTOM LINE
JUST REAL SIMPLE RIGHT SO WE
ALREADY HAVE PROGRAMS THAT WE
DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT THAT SELMA
WHAT HAVE YOU AND SO THEN THE
GENTLEMAN SAYING NO THOSE ARE
GREAT AND THOSE ARE GOING TO
BE ATTACHED AND EVERYTHING'S
YOU KNOW FINE BUT THE COST OF
CREATING A NEW PROGRAM AS YOU
VERY WELL KNOW THERE'S A COST
ASSOCIATED TO CREATE ANY NEW
PROGRAMMING GOVERNMENT SO THEN
WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THAT COST
ONE AND THEN IF YOU ALREADY
HAVE THE PROGRAMS AND THEY'RE
SAYING THOSE PROGRAMS ARE GREAT
BUT WE NEED TO EXPAND ON THEM
WHY NOT BEEN TAKE WHAT'S BEING
OFFERED AND THEN WORK WITH THE
PROGRAM THAT CURRENTLY EXIST
LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THAT SPEND
LIKE YOU KNOW THE LANDLORD THAT
DOESN'T QUALIFY THAT THEY DON'T
HAVE ALL LOW INCOME RENTERS
BUT MAYBE LOW MIDDLE INCOME YOU
KNOW SO YOU CAN EXPAND ON THE
CURRENT PROGRAMS AND NOT SHIP
MANY AROUND AND THEN TAKE FROM
THOSE EXISTING PROGRAMS BECAUSE
SOMEONE'S GOING TO PAY FOR AT
THE AT THE END OF THE DAY SO
THE COULD THAT -- THE RESIDENTS
THAT ARE THE CONSTITUENTS THAT
YOU ALL REPRESENT ARE GOING
TO PAY FOR A NEW PROGRAM IF
WE ALREADY HAVE PROGRAMS THAT
ALREADY ARE IN EXISTENCE WORK
ON THOSE CURRENT PROGRAMS AND
THAT'S JUST IN TERMS OF THE
BOTTOM LINE TO LOOK WHO'S GOING
TO PAY FOR IT OKAY FINE --
AND ORDINARILY YOU BE OUT OF
ORDER BUT WERE ALSO CONFUSED
HERE I THOUGHT IT WAS FINE TO
GO AHEAD YEAH WE'RE ALL OUT
OF ORDER -- SAID I THINK I
NOW HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FEELING
FOR YOUR CONCERNS ARE ANYTHING
MORE I MEAN IT'S JUST ACTUALLY
I THOUGHT THE SENATOR DID IT
DID IT BUT A PRETTY GOOD JOB
AT IT BUT BECAUSE CHÁVEZ I'M
LISTENING TO YOU TALKING ABOUT
THE LANDLORDS ABLE TO OPT INTO
A PROGRAM LIKE THIS THAT THERE
ISN'T ANY A REQUIREMENTS --
IT EXCEPT FOR IN THE SUMMARY
THIS IS MAYBE WHY I'M CONFUSED
IS AT THE BEGINNING IT SAYS
ESTABLISHES BY GENERATE ONE
TWENTY TWENTY FOUR NEW FIFTY
HUNDRED MEGAWATT MULTI FAMILY
HOUSING LOCAL SOLAR PROGRAM
THAT REQUIRES THAT DOESN'T
SOUND LIKE IT'S THERE'S AN
OPT IN HERE AND SAYING THAT
WE'RE CREATING A NEW PROGRAM
THAT THAT THAT THAT IS THAT
REQUIRES AND THEN SO THAT'S
WHY I'M I'M A LITTLE CANNELLA
YOU IT'S IT'S A FAIR QUESTION
THROUGH THE CHAIR IF I MAY
NAZARIAN REQUIRING OF THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES THAT
THEY MAKE THOSE OFFERS IS NOT
REQUIRING THE LANDLORD IT'S
A GREAT QUESTION AND BY THE
FIRST READING OF THE DRAFT
BILL LIKE I CAUGHT THAT AS
WELL BUT BUT IF READING IT VERY
CLOSELY WHAT IT'S BASICALLY
SAYING AS THE INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES THE THE P.
GENIES ITSELF ETCETERA IN
THE STATE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
TO STAND UP THIS PROGRAM TO
GO OUT AND START OFFERING IT
IN FACT -- YOU KNOW JUST TO
ADD ONE A NOTE ON THE NOTE
BUT NO NOBODY'S REQUIRED TO
ACCEPT IT RIGHT WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING RIGHT OKAY SO THEY'RE
REQUIRED TO OFFER IT BUT THEN
THE THE DIRT DOUBLES REQUIRED
TO ACCEPT RIGHT AND IT SAYS
ON ON PAGE FIVE THE PROPERTY
OWNER OF QUALIFIED MULTI FAMILY
HOUSING -- UNDER UNDER SECTION
BE SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM
ESTABLISHED BY THE SECTION
AND THEN ON TOP OF PAGE SIX
IT SAYS UNDER AA MAXIMIZING
THE BILL CREDIT AVAILABLE TO
PARTICIPATING CUSTOMERS SO IT'S
NOT THE CUSTOMER PAYING FOR WE
HAPPEN TO HAVE BIG UTILITIES
OUT THERE THAT HAVE THE SKILL
THE CAPITAL IN THE LEVERAGE TO
GO OUT ITS DOWN THIS PROGRAM
UP -- SEND THE WORKERS OUT
A CONTRACT FOR WORKERS TO GO
PUT THE SOLAR OF THE LANDLORD
SAYS LET'S DO IT -- AND IT'S A
MODEL THAT COULD SCALE PRETTY
QUICKLY -- BUT IT'S NOT MEANT
TO TO COMPUTER PUSH OUT YOU
KNOW WHATEVER ELSE -- LANDLORD
MIGHT UP INTO IT IT'S IT'S
IT'S UP TO THE LANDLORD AND
THEN ULTIMATELY UP THE TEND
TO ACCEPT THE CREDITS OKAY --
ANY ANYTHING ELSE ALL RIGHT --
IS TO CHEN I HAVE MISTER VICE
CHAIR YOU HAVE A QUESTION YES
THANK YOU I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW
UP THE OR MR MAYES LEFT OFF
-- I ALSO -- I DID NOT HEAR
ANYTHING ABOUT THIS BILL UNTIL
THIS HEARING AND SO -- I'M ALSO
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS
BILL IS ABOUT -- IT SEEMS TO
ME LIKE SIR YOU'RE PROPOSING A
PLAN FOR THE LARGE -- ELECTRIC
I'LL USE TO -- TO TO CONSTRUCT
SOLAR AND STORAGE SYSTEMS
THAT IS NOT RATEPAYERS
SUBSIDIZE AND SO WAS OPPOSED
BY THE SOLAR AND STORAGE
ASSOCIATION BECAUSE THEY'RE
NOT GOING TO GET THE HIGHER
NOW I'M RICH -- RATES BUT THE
QUESTION THAT I AM -- THAT I
STILL HAVE IS SOMEONE'S GOT
TO PAY FOR THIS YOU'RE SAYING
THAT RATEPAYERS ARE NOT GOING
TO PAY FOR IT THAT SOMEHOW
THE LARGE I -- USE ARE GOING
TO PAY FOR IT BUT THERE I --
USE OUR FOR PROFIT ENTITIES SO
ULTIMATELY SOMEONE'S GOING TO
PAY FOR IT YEAH THEY HAVE IT
THERE IF THE ABOUT ME THROUGH
THE CHAIR THEY'RE GONNA PAY
FOR THE CAPITAL OUTLAY AND THEN
THEY'RE GONNA START REAPING THE
REVENUE RIGHT THIS I MEAN IT'S
THE SAME REASON WHY WE HAVE WE
HAVE SOLAR ON JUST ABOUT EVERY
SCHOOL DISTRICT IN PARKLAND
CALIFORNIA NOW THERE'S A RETURN
ON THE INVESTMENT THAT'S WORTH
THAT OUTWEIGHS YOU'D MITCHELL
CAPITAL INVESTMENT SO LONG
AS IT'S ADVERTISED OUT OVER
A PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE HAVE
HAD ANOTHER POINT AS TO WHY
THERE WILL BE STE THE EXCUSE
ME I SHOULD BE NEAR MY SHOP
MANAGER JOE CENTER HERE BUT
BASIC AFTER CHAIR I LIKE TO HIT
THE SENATOR WITH ANSWERING MY
QUESTION NO HE ISN'T -- THIS
I THINK YOU HAVE I HAVE AYE
MR JOSEPH MISTER JOSEPH HANDED
QUANTITATIVE ANSWER MR SURE
YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER ALL RIGHT
AND I VOTER GO AHEAD SENATOR AS
CERTAINLY WOULD -- YOU KNOW AT
THE PROPER TIME TO THE CHAIR S.
MISTER JOSEPH TOOK TO YOU KNOW
FURTHER QUANTIFY MY RESPONSE
BUT I THINK OF IT AGAIN I WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT WERE WERE
NOT COMPLETING TWO THINGS ABOUT
ACCUSING YOU OF THAT BUT JUST
TO CLARIFY CAPITAL OUTLAY --
IS IS GOING TO BE -- ADVANCED
BY THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY
RIGHT BECAUSE A PUBLIC BECAUSE
A PUBLIC ENTITY IN IT FOR THE
PROFIT ULTIMATELY -- THEY ARE
GOING TO DO THAT -- IN THAT
START BRINGING IN SEOUL REVENUE
WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE THE
EXACT DOLLARS ARE AMORTIZATION
LOOKS LIKE -- THAT REVENUE HAS
TO BE THEN MAXIMIZE FIRST TO
TO THE AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE
OBVIOUSLY SECOND TO THE TENANT
IN THIRD IF THEY WERE IN A
SITUATION WHERE THE TENANTS ARE
ARE COMPLETELY ZEROED OUT IN
TERMS OF CREDITS -- IN TERMS OF
OF METER -- THEN THEN THEN THEY
WOULD HAVE REVENUE BACK THAT
THAT THEY WOULD GET TO HOLD ON
TO ALL ALL REGULATED -- YET THE
CQC LEVEL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE
THE REGULAR SO THAT'S THE IDEA
OKAY I GET THAT SO I HEAR THE
IDEA IT'S ALSO GREAT THAT MY
NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE WILL WHY
DON'T WE DO THAT FOR EVERYONE
INCLUDED IT RATHER THAN JUST
LOW INCOME YEAH I MEAN THIS
BILL IS IS THIS RIGHT NOW IS
TRYING TO FOCUS ON THOSE FOLKS
WHO CAN'T WHO WERE WHO WERE IN
IT AS WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE
TIME WHETHER IT'S IN BUYERS
OWNER OR OR OR -- COMMITTEE
IS A CONCERN -- CENSUS TRACTS
WERE TYPICALLY THOSE LANDLORDS
ARE NOT INVESTING -- IN ARE
LESS LIKELY TO IN TO INVEST --
RIGHT NOW WE'RE WE ARE GETTING
TO SCALE BUT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY
NO REASON ULTIMATELY FOR ANY
OF THESE PROGRAMS BUT NOT TO
BE EXPANDED SOME DAY INTO --
MIDDLE INCOME -- THAT REPAIRS
OR WHATEVER THAT'S NOT THIS
BILL BUT AND WE GOT A LOT OF
WORK TO DO JUST TO CATCH UP THE
IDEA HERE PHILOSOPHICALLY AS
WE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN
TERMS OF CATCHING UP PURSUANT
TO MISTER WATCHES COMMENTS WHEN
HE MADE HIS OPENING TESTIMONY
YOU KNOW WITH THIS WITH THIS
-- LOW INCOME POPULATION RIGHT
NOW BUT BUT CENTER I I'M I'M
STILL STRUGGLING WITH THEY ARE
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE BASIC
ECONOMICS OF WHY THAT IS AND
READY HAPPENING AND IF IF IF
UTILITIES WERE GOING TO START
MAKING MONEY OFF OF INSTALLING
SOLAR AND STORAGE OFF OF EVERY
EVERY -- YOU KNOW -- RESIDENCE
THEN YEAH I I ASSUME THAT THAT
IS BECAUSE THE ECONOMICS YOU
KNOW DE DELTA DELTA DON'T DON'T
DON'T JUSTIFY THAT AND SO YOU
HEAR YOUR IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE
YOU'RE PROPOSING THIS YOU KNOW
THAT THIS PART OF THIS PROJECT
THAT SOUNDS GOOD IN A SOLAR
AND STORAGE FOR FOR LOW INCOME
CALIFORNIANS YOU KNOW WHO WHO
WHO COULD BE OPPOSED TO THAT
BUT BUT I I KNOW FROM OUR OUR
OUR ON GOING NOW IN DISCUSSIONS
YOU KNOW AND AN OVERALL
ROOFTOP SOLAR DISCUSSIONS
THAT THAT THE PC HAS TO LIKE
YOU KNOW BALANCE -- YOU KNOW
ALL OF THE -- THE V.
D.
COMPETING PROGRAMS AND AND
AND COMPETING INTERESTS --
TO TO MAKE IT ALL WORK AND
-- YOU KNOW ONE COMMENT
THAT THE OPPOSITION -- DID
MAKE THAT THAT THAT COULD
THAT I PICKED UP ON IS IF
THERE IS AN ONGOING P.
C.
PROCEEDING TO ADDRESS THE
ISSUES FOR LOW INCOME SOLAR
CUSTOMERS WHY NOT LET THE PC
DEAL WITH ALL THE COMPLEXITIES
OF THIS MARKET AND INDUSTRY
RATHER THAN TRYING TO INTRODUCE
A NEW PILOT PROGRAM THAT
SOUNDS GOOD BUT MAY ULTIMATELY
UNDERMINE THE OVERALL PUBLIC
INTEREST IS THE BUTTE WORK
WE'RE NOT TAKING THE PC OF THIS
IN FACT WE'VE TAKEN COMMITTEE
MEMBERS SAID SPECIFICALLY
AFFIRMATIVELY ASSAM TO EVALUATE
ALL PROGRAMS INCLUDING THIS ONE
AND FURTHER A TO TERMINATE ANY
PROGRAMS THAT -- BUT YOU KNOW
PER THEIR DISCRETION SO THE
DIFFERENCE TO THE C.
P.
IS IS WHICH YOU KNOW
IS THERE -- IF THERE'S
SOMETHING THAT THE C.
P.
CPUC DOES BEFORE TWENTY TWENTY
FOUR WHEN WITH THE EFFECT OF
THE THIS LEGISLATION AS --
AS PART OF THAT EVALUATION TO
TO INTERRUPT OR INTERCEPT THE
PROGRAM THAT'S ACCOUNTED FOR IN
THE BILL SO I THINK WE ADDRESS
THAT WE RESPECT YOUR CONCERN --
BUT I I THINK IT'S WHAT THE P.
YOU SEE IS IS ONGOING
EVALUATING NOW IN TERMS OF
THE SPACE SHOULDN'T STOP THIS
LEGISLATION FROM GOING FORWARD
AND -- ESTABLISHING A MODEL
-- BY LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY --
THAT THE AYE AYE HI -- USE --
ARE REQUIRED TO TO MISTER CHASE
MISTER MISTER MISTER MAYES
-- QUESTION ARE REQUIRED TO
STARTED DANCING NOW SO THE CPUC
HAS TO YOU KNOW HOUSE CONDUCT
THAT EVALUATION ON THIS PROGRAM
IT'S IT FORCES THE ISSUE AMONG
LOCAL LOW INCOME POPULATION
THAT YOU KNOW AS YOU KNOW AS WE
ALL KNOW IS WE WON'T KNOW THOSE
OF US WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED
IN EQUITY ISSUES -- IS OUT
THERE WAITING EIGHT THE IT'S
IT'S NOT IT'S THESE ARE WHAT
WE CALL REDLINE COMMUNITIES
BUT MR SHARE WITH WITH YOUR
PERMISSION I I WOULD LIKE TO
ASK IF THEY CALIFORNIA STORE
SOLAR AND STORAGE ASSOCIATION
-- RIGHT NOW I WANNA HERE TO
ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MISTER
JOSEPH HAS THE ANSWER AS TO
WHY YOU HAVE THE UTILITIES DO
IT RATHER THAN SOMEONE ELSE
AND WHY THEY ARE FOR THERE'S
A POSSIBILITY OF THE PRODUCT
THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING
THE ELECTRICITY WILL SAVE MONEY
WHICH IS ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS
MISTER JOSEPH HAS THE ANSWER
TO THAT WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT HERE BUT THEN WEEK
NOW THESE GROUPS ARE NOT THE
SOLAR AND STORAGE ASSOCIATION
AS YOU LETTER FROM OFFICIALS
AND I WILL BE GLAD TO HEAR FROM
THEM AS TO WHY THEY'RE OPPOSED
AS WELL BUT LET ME JUST TAP
MISTER JOSEPH AT YOUR QUESTION
WHICH I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN
ANSWERED YET AND I THINK HE
CAN ANSWER GO AHEAD THANK YOU
MISTER -- TEMPERATURE THAT IT
YOU KNOW IT HELP IF I WERE THE
CHAIR CHAIR GO AHEAD -- I I
HATE TO ADD ANYTHING TO WHAT
THE SENATORS SAID BECAUSE HE'S
GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB WITH
THAT -- BUT IT YOUR SPECIFIC
REQUEST -- THE REASON THIS
IS DIRECTED TO THE UTILITIES
THE REGULATED UTILITIES IS
AS THE SENATOR HAS SAID THEY
HAVE THE SCOPE AND SCALE TO
DO THIS THEY HAVE -- ACCESS TO
CAPITAL AND UNLIKE IN THE NET
METERING SITUATION WHERE THE
INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER HAS TO
PUT UP TWENTY TWENTY FIVE TO
THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS -- AND
IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE
NOT GONNA DO THAT UNLESS
THEY GET A PRETTY FAST RETURN
PRETTY FAST PAY OFF TYPICALLY
THE ANDERSON SAID IT'S GOT TO
BE LESS THAN TEN YEARS WITH
UTILITIES WE CAN ADVERTISE THIS
OVER A MUCH LONGER PERIOD OF
TIME AND SO IT CREATES A A GAP
A DELTA WITH THIS EXTRA MONEY
TO CREATE BILL CREDITS AND
PAY OFF THE SYSTEM AND THEIR
PROFIT MARGIN IS THAN THEIR
PROFITS ARE REGULATED THEY'RE
LIMITED TO ROUGHLY TEN PERCENT
SO WE'VE GOT A LOWER PROFIT
MARGIN LONGER AMORTIZATION
AND THAT CREATES THE DELTA TO
CREATE BILL CREDITS WHY HASN'T
BEEN DONE BEFORE IT'S A GOOD
QUESTION WE WERE WONDERING
LIKE WHY HAVEN'T WE THOUGHT
OF THIS BEFORE WELL SOMETIMES
YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROGRAMS
RUN AND YOU SEE THEY'RE NOT
WORKING SO WELL OVER THERE
WORKING BUT THEY'RE LIMITED
BECAUSE THEY RELY ON MAJOR
KASHIF FROM OTHER CUSTOMERS
AND SO YOU TRY TO THINK OF
ANOTHER MODEL THAT MIGHT WORK
BETTER AND THEN WILL ASK THE
COMMISSION TO EVALUATE THE SAYS
THE COMMITTEE HAS YET AGAIN
THIS WON'T BE MANDATED TO BE
A PROGRAM IT'S THE COMMISSION
CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S
GOING TO BE A PROGRAM WHICH
IS A VERY GOOD AMENDMENT TO
HAVE TAKEN THANK MISTER CHAIR
AYE AYE OKAY NOW WE CAN HEAR
FROM SOLAR AND STORAGE OKAY
THAT THEY CAN COME UP HERE
NOW OKAY BUT GOING FORWARD I
WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU CUT OUT
YOUR EDITORIALIZING AND JUST
LEAVE IT TO THE WITNESSES THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR VERY GOOD
PLEASE COME FORWARD CAN STONE
ON BEHALF THE SOLAR AND STORAGE
ASSOCIATION YES THE COUNCIL'S
PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT THE
WAY THE PROGRAM IS SET UP WILL
NEITHER INCENTIVIZE PROPERTY
OWNERS TO PUT A PROGRAM ON THE
PROPERTY OR PROVIDE SUFFICIENT
BENEFIT TO THE TENANTS TO MAKE
IT WORTH THEIR WHILE AND THEN
PEOPLE WILL SAY HEY LOOK SOLO
DOESN'T WORK ON APARTMENTS AND
WE THINK SOARED DOES WORK ON
APARTMENTS ALTHOUGH IT IS HARD
RIGHT AND WE AREN'T YOU'RE NOT
WRONG THAT THIS SUMMER PROGRAM
HAS TAKEN AWHILE TO KIND OF
GET OFF THE GROUND IN THAT
IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF WORK AND
EFFORT ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE
WHO'VE BEEN DOING IT TO MAKE
IT WORK BUT THE CRYING THE
FINALLY ARE FIGURING IT OUT
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE GROUPS
THAT WORK IN THAT SPACE MSO
SEASON IS CAUTIOUS AND PERHAPS
UN TRUSTING OF THE UTILITIES
TO DO RIGHT BY THE TENANTS
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS
YOUR QUESTION SO SO BASICALLY
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE THAT
BE AMONG OTHER THINGS THE THE
THAT NOW AND -- SYSTEM DOES
PROVIDE THE -- THE THE THE
PROPER INCENTIVE TO TO GET
-- MORE APARTMENT SO YES SO
EXISTING PROGRAM THE SELMA
SOUL ARM MONTH MULTI FAMILY
AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOES MAKE
IT SO THAT THE TENANTS BOTH
THE TENANT AND THE LANDLORD GET
A MEANINGFUL BENEFIT TO MAKE
IT WORTH THEIR WHILE TO DO IT
RIGHT TO THE LANDLORD GET SOME
BENEFIT FOR THE UTILITY BILLS
FOR THE SHARED SPACE AND THEN
THE TENANTS GET A MEANINGFUL
BENEFIT IN THE REDUCTION OF
THEIR MONTHLY -- DO BILLS
WHICH IS A BENEFIT ALSO TO
THE LANDLORD BECAUSE THEN THAT
TENANTS STAY THERE I AND SO
WHAT WE ARE AFRAID OF THE FOLKS
THAT SORT OF DID THE MATH ON
THIS IS THAT THIS PROGRAM MIGHT
NOT PENCIL OUT IN A WAY THAT
ACTUALLY WORKS AND YOU WOULD
THINK WE'LL SO WHAT HARM DOES
IT DO TO CREATE A PROGRAM THAT
NOBODY DOES IT LIKE NO HARM
NO FOUL BUT WE ACTUALLY FEAR
THAT THERE IS A HARM BECAUSE
THEN YOU'RE GONNA SAY WE TRIED
IT AND IT DIDN'T WORK AND
THEN PEOPLE WILL NOT END UP
GETTING SOLAR TO PEOPLE LIKE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER CHAIRMAN QUIRK
I YOU KNOW IN OTHER APARTMENT
OWNERS WHO BOTH WOULD BENEFIT
FROM IT AND THEN THE REST OF
IT WAS PARTNERED WITH STORAGE
THE REST OF THE STATE COULD
BENEFIT FROM OUT ON PEAK DAYS
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU
WE -- HAVE STOPS QUORUM SO
MASS SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL NAY WILL PROCEED WITH THE
-- DELIBERATION TAKES PLACE
EDUARDO GARCIA PRESENT IN
ORDER GARCIA HERE PATTERSON
PATTERSON HERE PARA QUE HAN
CHAU CHEN CHEN HERE CUNNINGHAM
CRISTINA GARCIA CRISTINA GARCIA
HERE GIPSON GIPSON HERE HOLDEN
MAIS MAYES HERE MURATSUCHI RCG
HERE CORK HERE FOR CARE REYES
SANTIAGO KING AT SIX HEY ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS
YES SIR THANK YOU VERY MUCH
RETIREMENT -- I'M NEW TO THIS
COMMITTEE BUT I DO NOT THINK
-- ASSEMBLY MEMBER CHAD MAYES
FOR PROVIDING -- AT LEAST A
QUESTION A ROBUST CONVERSATION
BUT I BELIEVE THAT -- MRS WHICH
HAD SOMETHING TO SAY -- WITH
RESPECT TO YOUR QUESTION WHEN
YOU WERE ASKING -- FOR CLARITY
AS RELATES TO WHAT DOES THIS
BILL -- DO AND I HAD TO RUN
OUT TO COMMITTEE -- SO IF YOU
WOULD PLEASE -- REGALE US IN
TERMS OF -- ADDRESSING MR MAYES
QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW YOU
AND YOUR HAVE YOU ARTICULATED
WHEN YOU CAME AND PRESENTED A
FEW MOMENTS AGO ABOUT -- YOUR
YOUR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE BILL
-- BUT LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE VERY
ANSES SAY SOMETHING SO CAN YOU
YES THANK YOU MISGUIDED VERY
VERY BRIEFLY RELEASED BACK
INTO FOCUS WE DID THIS THIS
PROPOSED BILL DOESN'T COMPETE
WITH THE SUMMER PROGRAM THE
PROBLEM IS AS THE SOFTWARE
REPRESENTATIVE TESTIFIED WE
LIKE SIXTEEN MILLION TENANTS
IN CALIFORNIA OKAY THERE
PROGRAM ONLY IS CAPPED AT THREE
HUNDRED MEGAWATTS THEY'RE ONLY
GOING TO SCRATCH THE SURFACE
OF HITTING THIS LOW INCOME
POPULATION THAT WERE TRYING
TO HELP OKAY SO WE'RE TRYING
TO GET THE UTILITIES INTO THE
GAME OPPOSING THIS BILL BECAUSE
YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO
BE IN YOUR LITTLE POND WOULD
BE THE EQUIVALENT OF SAYING
LET'S NOT BUILD ANY MORE SOUP
KITCHENS AND FOOD PANTRIES AND
IN SACRAMENTO BECAUSE LAUZEN
FISHES SERVES ONE PERCENT OF
THE HOMELESS POPULATION BECAUSE
WE DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE
WITH THEIR LITTLE PIECE OF THE
POND WE'RE TRYING TO GET BACK
AT IT AT EVERY SEGMENT OF THE
RATE PAID COMMUNITY THAT ARE
NOT BEING BENEFITTED TODAY
WE SUPPORT SELMA BUT THERE'S
MORE THAN ENOUGH HELP THAT
NEEDS TO BE GIVEN AND THAT'S
WHY WE SPONSORING THE BILL
THANK YOU VERY MUCH -- MISTER
WEST NIGHTMARE MISTER CHAIRMAN
PLEASE SURE HOW CAN SECOND
OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION PLACE
CUT I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT
THREE MILLION DOLLARS BUT
I THINK THIS -- THE SENATE
ALREADY ARTICULATED THREE
MILLION DOLLARS I KNOW THE
OTHER SIDE TALKED ABOUT SEVEN
MILLION DOLLARS AND IT'S AS
IF IT WAS A ONGOING -- DOLLAR
AMOUNT -- BUT I'M LOOKING HERE
IN THE FISCAL EFFECT -- AND
I'M SURE THAT THE COMMITTEE
HAS DONE HIS DUE DILIGENCE
-- BY PROVIDING THIS NUMBER
WHICH IS MEANINGFUL WHICH IS
WHICH WILL HOLD MUSTER -- BUT
THEY ALSO MADE MENTION ABOUT
SEVENTY DOLLARS CAN YOU SPEAK
TO THAT COULD DISTINGUISH THE
BOOK HEAD US INVESTOR JOSEPH
DID STRESS DISTINGUISH THAT
COSTS FROM THE THE COSTS THAT
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OF RATE
PAYERS PICKING UP THE ROOFTOP
SOLAR ON TOP OF THEIR PROJECT
PICKING UP SOME COST OF BEING
VULNERABLE OR LIABLE FOR SOME
COST -- OR SOME DEFICIT THERE'S
NO COST OR RISK SHIFTING TO
THE RATE PAYERS INVOLVED IN
THESE IN THESE INSTALLATIONS
IN THESE PROGRAMS THE QUESTION
CAME UP AS TO WHETHER THERE'S
ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AS WE
SEE IN APPROPRIATIONS ON
EVERYTHING IF THERE'S POSTAGE
STAMPS NEEDED ON ON LETTERS
FRANKLY ON THE BILL'S I'VE
SEEN A SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND
SAYS IS AN APPROPRIATION COST
THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS
IN IN THAT COSTS THAT YOU'RE
PICKING UP ON THAT PEOPLE ARE
TALKING ABOUT THE PIANO WHICH
COMMITTEE ANALYZE IT THREE
TO SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS IN
ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS TO THE
CPUC BECAUSE YOU GOT A NEW
PROGRAM HERE IS IS REALLY
HONESTLY -- RELATIVE TO WHAT
WE'RE DEALING WAS WITH THE
THREE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS
STATE BUDGET AS FAR AS I'M
CONCERNED FOR A PROGRAM THAT
WILL SCALE UP LIKE THIS --
PRETTY IN PRETTY INSIGNIFICANT
DOLLARS TREATMENT ARE STILL
A LOT OF MONEY TO ME BUT
IF THAT'S WHAT IT COST TO
ADMINISTER STATEWIDE PROGRAM
LIKE THIS IS GOING TO START
PUTTING OF ROOFTOP SOLAR LOW
INCOME APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO
SCALE UP AND DOWN THE STATE
I THINK IT'S A DAMN GOOD
INVESTMENT -- OKAY THANKS VERY
MUCH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE
MORE CLARITY NOW THAN I DID
EARLIER -- STILL THE -- MAYBE
A LITTLE A LITTLE MUDDY AT AND
I I THINK THAT MY COLLEAGUE
NESTLING AMERISUR CHIA HAD
ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE I
JUST BECAUSE IS RESTATED AGAIN
I WANNA MAKE SURE WHO'S PAYING
FOR -- FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S
EITHER RATE PAYERS THAT PAY OUT
ITS SHAREHOLDERS THAT PAY OR
ITS THE TAXPAYERS THAT PAY IT'S
ONE OF THOSE THREE SO WHO'S
WHO'S PAYING FOR THE PROGRAM
LET MISTER JOSEPH RESPONDED
ALSO WITH DIFFERENCES SOME OF
THE MEMBERS ARE REALLY WANT
TO HEAR HIM QUANTIFY MORE
AND APPRECIATE THE REPEAT
YOU KNOW THE REITERATION OF
THAT QUESTION ASSEMBLY MEMBER
MAYES THE SHAREHOLDERS PUT
OUT THE INITIAL CAPITAL COST
BUT IF I CAN CLEAR THE CLARITY
AND THEY'RE FORCED TO DO
THAT SO THE SHAREHOLDERS ARE
FORCED TO PUT UP THE CAPITAL
COST AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO
PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM
AND STAND IT UP YES -- AND THEY
RECOVER THAT MONEY FROM THE
SALES OF THE REVENUE FROM THE
ELECTRICITY GENERATED BY THE
STORAGE AND SOLAR AND STORAGE
SYSTEMS RATEPAYERS ARE NOT
IN THAT EQUATION OKAY IT'S SO
INTERESTING THEN IT -- BECAUSE
I'D I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY S.
THAT THERE'S NO LETTERS IN HERE
THIS I CAN'T FIND THEM FROM
THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES
EITHER IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
A TO THAT IS THERE ANYBODY
HERE I MEAN BECAUSE IF THE
IF THE SHAREHOLDERS ARE GOING
TO BE COVERING THE COST WHEN
I'VE BEEN ON THIS KEEPING
OUT FOR YEARS AND ANYTIME THE
SHAREHOLDERS HAD TO COVER THE
COSTS OF WE'D SEE WITH LOADS
OF PEOPLE COMING IN -- AND
SAYING THAT WE WE DON'T WANT
TO WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT
SO IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FROM
THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES
TO SPEAK TO SPEAK TO TO
WHETHER THIS IS A GOOD THING
OR BAD THING FOR SHAREHOLDERS
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR
THEN THE QUESTIONS COMMENTS
PLEASE YES JUST TO SAY THAT FOR
SHAREHOLDERS THIS IS ALSO THEY
THEY INVEST MONEY IN GENERATION
AND OTHER SOURCES THEY WILL GET
THE SAME SORT OF RETURN THEY
DO IF THEY WERE TO BUILD AND
AND THEY DO BUILD WIND OR SOLAR
OR SOMETHING ELSE SO THEY'LL
GET THE SAME MONEY BACK WHICH
IS PROBABLY WHY DO YOU THEY'RE
NOT HEARING FROM THE UTILITIES
THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS
INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DEVELOPER
COMMAND AND SAY RECOVER FIFTEEN
PERCENT UTILITY CAN ONLY
RECOVER TEN PERCENT ON THERE
ARE CAPITAL COST I'VE GOT THAT
RIGHT MISTER JOSEPH AND IT'S
THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT
A PRIVATE DEVELOPER WOULD DO
AND WHAT THE UTILITIES WOULD DO
THAT ALLOWS THE SAVINGS FOR THE
TENANTS WHICH THE OPPOSITION
PROBABLY DOESN'T BELIEVE BUT
THAT'S WHAT THE WRITTEN TICKETS
MISTER CHAIRMAN I RESPOND
THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS BILL
THAT REQUIRE SHAREHOLDERS
AS FAR AS I'M AWARE IN THE
LANGUAGE SO THAT WOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GOING
TO TAKE A COMMITTEE AMENDMENT
TO REQUIRE THAT SHAREHOLDERS
PAY FOR IT I THINK THAT WOULD
MAYBE CHANGE SOME THINGS ONE
THE REASON THE ECONOMICS DO
NOT PENCIL IS BECAUSE YOU'RE
GETTING MARKET REVENUES TO THE
WHOLESALE MARKET BUT YOU'RE
IMPORTING POWER AT RETAIL
PRICES IT DOES NOT ADD UP
THE ECONOMICS DO NOT PENCIL
OUT FOR THIS PROGRAM AND I IT
WOULD ADD ONE LAST THING WHICH
IS THERE IS MULTIPLE UTILITY
PROGRAMS INCLUDING THE GREEN
TERROR SHARPER NOBLES THAT IS
HAD NO PROJECTS BUILT BY THE
UTILITIES SO GIVEN THAT THEY
CONTINUE TO BE BLACKING OUT
BURNING DOWN OUR COMMUNITY
IS WHY ARE WE GOING TO TRUST
THEM WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS
FINALLY -- INITIALLY AT THE
SENATOR -- RESPECTFULLY TALK
ABOUT HOW THERE WAS NOT GOING
TO BE ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH
THE LANDLORD THIS IS A DIRECT
UTILITY CUSTOMER RELATIONSHIP
BUT THEN CONTRADICTED HIMSELF
AND PROCEEDED TO TALK ABOUT HOW
THERE WOULD BE AN INTERACTION
WITH THE UTILITY IS GOING TO
LANDLORDS AND MULTI FAMILY
BUILDING OWNERS TO SELL THEM
SOLAR AND STORAGE WHICH IS A
PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE
AS THEIR ROLE AS GRID OPERATORS
AND YOU KNOW SUPPOSED TO BE
WORKING ON THE SYSTEM NOT
NECESSARILY INDIVIDUAL SOLAR
AND STORAGE -- INSTALLATIONS
THAT MULTI FAMILY BUILDING
SO AGAIN RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR NO VOTES AND THANK YOU
FOR LETTING ME SPEAK FURTHER
NO MORE QUESTIONS COMMENTS
WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM --
ALL RIGHT WE DO HAVE ONE LAST
CALL RIGHT YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT
WE I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T
KNOW IF THAT ANYONE KNOWS
THAT THE ARITHMETICAL WORK
OUT ON THIS BUT THAT'S FOR
THE CPUC DECIDE AND I DON'T
THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT
ANYONE CAN DECIDE TODAY IT'S
GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF WORK BY
ENGINEERS AND OTHERS TO COME
UP WITH THAT THANK YOU SIR --
I THINK WE'RE WE'RE DONE WITH
THE DELIBERATION AND DEBATE --
I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU
THAT THE APPRECIATE ACCEPTING
THE AMENDMENTS -- WE STRUGGLED
A LITTLE BIT WITH THE BILL
-- WHEN IT CAME TO US GIVEN
THAT ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS
HERE WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO TRY
TO HONE IN ON THE VARIOUS
PROGRAMS THAT EXIST IN SOME
CASES SOME CAMERA SAID THIS IS
AND DUPLICATIVE RIGHT -- SOME
SAID YOU KNOW LET'S JUST WAIT
TILL THE CPUC TAKES CARE OF
THE NAMPO GRAHAM YOU KNOW THAT
CONVERSATION THAT'S HAPPENING
AND SO I GET IT RIGHT IT FALLS
WITHIN THAT CATEGORY ONE THING
THAT -- IS APPEALING IS THAT
THAT'S AN EFFORT TO TRY TO GET
-- -- SOLAR TOO LOW INCOME --
COMMUNITIES IN CALIFORNIA RIGHT
THE FOLKS THAT WE REPRESENT IN
PRO COUNTY EASTERN RIVERSIDE
COUNTY IN -- BUT WE STRUGGLED
BUT WE WE DID NOT TO SAY THAT
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WE'VE SAID HERE IS THAT WE
WANT TO LOOK AT POLICY THROUGH
THE LENS OF HOUSE IMPACT THE
RATE PAYERS RIGHT AND -- WE
WE TRY TO BE CONSISTENT --
THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS -- GIVEN
CIRCUMSTANCES AND SO WE'RE
HERE WITH A SET OF AMENDMENTS
AND -- WANTING TO HAVE A GOOD
DELIBERATION AND DEBATE AS I
UNDERSTAND WE HAD AND -- WITH
THAT ALL GO BACK TO THE DOCTOR
AND FOR YOUR CLOSING IT THANK
YOU -- THAT IS FREE MEASURE
COMMENTS MISTER CHAIR IN IN ALL
THE WORK THAT YOU AND COMMITTEE
OF DONE EVERY STEP ALONG THE
WAY OF STARTED WITH THE YOU
KNOW MY COLLEAGUES IN THE
SENATE WE RECEIVED -- FEEDBACK
WE THAT'S HOW WE END UP CARVING
OUT THE RESTRICTED UNITS IN THE
SUMMER PROGRAM SO WE WOULDN'T
BE COMPETING THEN WE EVEN ADDED
A LANGUAGE OF SAID IF THAT
PROGRAM IS EXPANDED THAN ANY
EXPANSION IS IS CARVED OUT JUST
TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS THERE
WAS NO CONCERN ABOUT CAPPING
WHAT GOES ON THERE -- BUT EVERY
STEP OF THE WAY INCLUDING A
WITH THIS COMMITTEE STAFF WHO
CAME AMONGST OTHER THINGS WITH
-- HERE THE REALLY EXCELLENT
AMENDMENT THAT THE SPEAKS TO
EVALUATION AND SAYS -- THAT --
THE THE CPUC CAN CONSOLIDATE
OR ELIMINATE UPON EVALUATION
PROGRAMS -- IT AND KEEPS IT IN
THEIR COURT KEEPS IT IN THEIR
JURISDICTION FOR IT AT THAT
LEVEL -- THAT CAME FROM ALL
OF YOU AMONGST THE THE PAGE
NINE PAGE ELEVEN AMENDMENTS
AS WELL MUCH APPRECIATED --
IT'S MADE IT A BETTER BILL --
WE THINK YOU KNOW ULTIMATELY
EVEN THOUGH THE LANDLORDS ARE
NOT INVOLVED IN THE IN THE IN
THE STREAM OF COMMERCE HERE
ON THE POWER -- ABSOLUTELY
NOT IT'S AN INTERESTING BILL
BECAUSE -- ONCE IT STOOD UP
IF OF THE FRAMEWORK IS SET UP
-- IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE AN
INTERESTING -- INTERACTION IT
HAS TO BE DONE A TO SEE IF I
CAN ACTUALLY GET IN PROPERTIES
-- THE STORE OF A FREE MARKET
-- OPT IN OPPORTUNITY THERE
-- YOU KNOW IT AT THE END OF
THE DAY THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S
REALLY GOING TO DECIDE IF THIS
PROGRAM EXPANDS LIKE WE SAY
IT WILL -- BUT THANK YOU I'M
SORRY I'M SORRY TO THOSE WHO
ARE WAITING TO TO MAKE A LONG
CLOSE BUT THANK YOU AGAIN AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR AYE VOTE
THANK YOU -- WE HAVE A MOTION
DID WE GET THE SECOND FOR A
SECOND ROCCA I'D OF NUMBER TWO
SB THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE THE
MOTION IS TO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS EDUARDO GARCIA
HI I WATER GARCIA AYE PATTERSON
PATTERSON AYE BARRICADE CAN
CARILLO CHEN CHEN I CUNNINGHAM
CRISTINA GARCIA GIPSON GIPSON
I HOLDEN MAYES MAYES NOT
VOTING MURATSUCHI HI MURATSUCHI
AYE CORK AYE QUIRK AYE REYES
SANTIAGO KING THAT SIX ZERO
ZERO OKAY WE'LL KEEP THAT THE
ON CALL OR THE MEMBERS AT ON
THANK YOU UNIT IN MOTION ON
ITEM NUMBER FIVE WE'RE GOING
TO ASK FOR A MOTION ON ITEM
NUMBER FORM IS WHAT COST IF YOU
WANT TO WORK YOUR WAY UP MOSHE
MISTER GIBSON ALL SECOND I
REMEMBER FOR THIS B.
FIVE TWO NINE BY MISTER
HERTZBERG LOCAL OKAY YES I
NUMBER FOR SB FIVE TWO NINE
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS EDUARDO GARCIA
HI EDUARDO GARCIA I PATTERSON
PATTERSON AYE BARRICADE
CAN CARILLO CHEN CHEN AYE
CUNNINGHAM CRISTINA GARCIA
CRISTINA GARCIA NOT VOTING
GIPSON GIPSON I HOLDEN MAYES
MAYES I MURATSUCHI ZERO FIVE
SB FIVE TWENTY NINE YEAH
HI MURATSUCHI I WORK I WORK
I REYES SANTIAGO KING AT
SEVEN OKAY WE'LL KEEP THAT
ALSO BOTTOM LINE ITEM OPEN
FOR OTHER MEMBERS SAID ON I
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE
CONSENT CALENDAR CAN I GET A
SECOND THE MOTION THE SECOND
HOMES MASUCCI -- PLEASE CALL I
DON'T NUMBER THREE S.
B.
EIGHT THREE THREE
ITEM NUMBER SIX S.
B.
FOURTEEN THIRTY TO THE MOTION
IS TO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS AND WATER GARCIA
EDUARDO GARCIA I PATTERSON
PATTERSON AYE BARRICADE
CAN CARILLO CHEN CHEN AYE
CUNNINGHAM CRISTINA GARCIA
CRISTINA GARCIA AYE GIPSON
GIPSON AYE HOLDEN MAIS MAYES
ARMOR SUCI RESEARCHER I CORK
BY CORK I REYES SANTIAGO CHANG
THAT'S A WILL KEEP THAT OPEN
OUR MICROPHONES ARE SERVICE
CENTER WELCOME CHECK OUR CA
I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU AND THE
CONSULTANT FOR THE WORK YOU
DID ON TESTS BASICALLY THIS
BILL WILL REQUIRE AN ENERGY
EFFICIENCY DISCLOSURE FORM BY
ALANLAR TO BE SIGNED AT THE
TIME THERE'S THEY'RE DOING
THE LEAST SIMILAR MOVE THE
REBEL REQUIREMENT IN MAINE
WITH THAT I HAVE A COUPLE
OF WITNESSES HERE WOULD URGE
AN IPHONE OKAY THANK YOU FOR
YOUR FAMILY WITNESSES PLACE TO
MISS YOUR GARCIA AND MEMBERS
OF THE ASSEMBLY UTILITIES
AND ENERGY COMMITTEE MY NAME
IS JOSEPH DESMOND EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR FOR THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND DEMAND
MANAGEMENT COUNCIL TESTIFYING
IN SUPPORT OF SENATE BILL
TEN TWENTY SIX THE COUNCIL
IS A NON UTILITY TRADE
ASSOCIATION REPRESENTING MORE
THAN SEVENTY COMPANIES THAT
DESIGNS IMPLEMENTS MAINTAIN
AND EVALUATE ENERGY EFFICIENCY
AND DEMAND RESPONSE AND
EMPLOY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
WHO PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN
CALIFORNIA'S ECONOMY RECENT
ESTIMATES PUT THAT NUMBER
AT MORE THAN THREE HUNDRED
THOUSAND CAL CALIFORNIANS
EMPLOYED IN THE INDUSTRY WE
REPRESENT SB TEN TWENTY SIX
WOULD CONTINUE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND EQUITY
LEADERSHIP BY HELPING OPEN
THE RENTAL MARKET TO GREATER
ENERGY OFFICIAL POTENTIAL AND
IMPROVING TENANTS ACCESS TO
ENERGY EFFICIENCY INFORMATION
PRIOR TO INITIATING TENDENCY
OR WHICH IS TO SAY BEFORE
THEY SIGN THE LEASE OR RENTAL
AGREEMENT THE BILL WOULD ALSO
REQUIRE THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY
COMMISSION TO CREATE AN ENERGY
EFFICIENCY DISCLOSURE FORM FOR
RENTAL UNITS TO BE PROVIDED
BEFORE INITIATING TENNESSEE AND
ESTABLISHING ENERGY EFFICIENCY
STANDARD TO FURTHER INFORM
RENTERS UP ANTICIPATED COSTS
AS THEY MAKE THEIR HOUSING
CHOICES CALIFORNIA'S RENTAL
MARKET HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN
DISADVANTAGED IN ACHIEVING IT
SIGNIFICANT ENERGY EFFICIENCY
POTENTIAL THIS DISPARITY
OFTEN TRANSLATES TO LOW INCOME
RENTERS ACROSS THE STATE
I'M SORRY DISPROPORTIONATELY
IMPACTING LOW INCOME RENTERS
ACROSS THE STATE THIS DISPARITY
OFTEN TRANSLATES INTO LEAVING
THOSE WITH LIMITED MEANS TO PAY
RELATIVELY HIGHER ENERGY BILLS
THAN THOSE WITH HIGHER INCOMES
SB TEN TWENTY SIX WILL HELP
MOVE THE RENTAL MARKET SEGMENT
TOWARD GREATER LEVELS OF ENERGY
EFFICIENCY INFORMATION AND
ACCESS THIS BILL WILL HELP
IMPROVE COST TRANSPARENCY
FOR PROSPECTIVE TENANTS AND
MOTIVATE FURTHER INVESTMENT
IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY WHICH
IS CRITICAL TO FURTHERING THE
STATE'S CARBON REDUCTION AND
EQUITY GOALS WE APPLAUD SENATOR
WHITE HOUSE GUINNESS TEAM
FOR RECOGNIZING THIS CONCERN
AND ADVANCING THIS IMPORTANT
LEGISLATION SB TEN TWENTY
SIX WILL GO A LONG WAY TO
REALIZING MUCH OF CALIFORNIA'S
ENERGY OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY
TARGETS AND FOR THESE REASONS
I ENCOURAGE YOUR AYE VOTE
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OF SB TEN TWENTY SIX
YEAH THAT'S WHAT GOOD AFTERNOON
DANIEL BRYAN ON BEHALF OF
SIERRA CLUB CALIFORNIA AND
STRONG SUPPORT OF S.
B.
TEN TWENTY SIX WHICH IS ONE OF
OUR PRIORITY BELLS FOR TWENTY
TWENTY TWO THIS BILL WILL
HELP FAMILIES AND RENTER UNITS
BETTER MANAGE THEIR BUDGETS AND
BE CONSCIOUS OF THEIR ENERGY
USE WITH THE APPLIANCES THAT
THEY HAVE HIGH ENERGY COSTS
ARE SPENT ESPECIALLY IMPACT LOW
INCOME FAMILIES AND THEREFORE
IMPROVED ENERGY EFFICIENCY HAS
HIGH POTENTIAL TO IMPROVE THE
LIVES OF IMPACTED COMMUNITIES
THIS BILL WILL ALSO ENCOURAGE
LANDLORDS TO IMPROVE THE ENERGY
EFFICIENCY OF THEIR RENTAL
UNITS TO ATTRACT TENANTS IN
CALIFORNIA NUMEROUS INCENTIVE
PROGRAMS GO UNDER UTILIZED
AMONG RENTAL HOUSING UNITS IS
NEITHER RENTERS NOR LANDLORDS
ARE INCENTIVIZED TO SPEND THE
MONEY TO MAKE THE UP FRONT COST
TO USE LESS ENERGY THIS BILL
WOULD HELP ENCOURAGE LANDLORDS
TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE
INCENTIVE PROGRAMS AND THUS
MAKE THEIR PROPERTIES GREATER
ENERGY EFFICIENCY IS ONE OF THE
MOST INEXPENSIVE AND EFFECTIVE
WAYS TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS AND THE STATE
MUST CONTINUE TO PURSUE
POLICIES LIKE THIS ONE IF WE
ARE EVER GOING TO ACHIEVE ARE
NECESSARILY AMBITIOUS CLIMATE
GOALS THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL
RIGHT I'M GOING TO ASK AT THIS
MOMENT -- IF THERE IS ANYONE
REGISTERED FOR THE -- PRIMARY
WITNESS AGAINST THE BILL IN
OPPOSITION TO THE DISCOMFORT
HERBAL TEA OF TWO MINUTES
EACH YOU THESE MICROPHONE
COME UP WHICHEVER YOU PREFER
SNOWIEST
-- GOOD AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS -- CREAM GREASY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS C.
A.
R.
IS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS
PARTICULAR MEASURE OUR
OVERARCHING CONCERN WITH THE
BILL -- IS THAT THE BILL AS
NOTED IN THE ANALYSIS ONLY
PROVIDES BROAD DIRECTION TO
THE CDC -- WE RESPECTFULLY GO
A BIT FURTHER AND SAY THAT IT'S
EXTREMELY BROAD -- THE CC CAN
EFFECTIVELY PUT ANYTHING INTO
THIS PERSPECTIVE A DISCLOSURE
STATEMENT -- RELATED TO THE
ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF THE
PROPERTY COULD WHICH COULD
BE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING
-- THE ANALYSIS NOTES -- AND
AND AND THE AUTHORS OFFICES
NOTED THAT THE INSPIRATION
FOR THIS PARTICULAR BILL --
IS THE DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
FROM MAINE HOWEVER THAT IS
NOT A DISCLOSURE STATEMENT
THAT IS AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY
AUDIT FORM -- AND THE AUDIT
MUST BE PERFORMED COMPLETED
AND THE RESULTS OF WHICH MUST
BE PROVIDED TO THE PERSPECTIVE
APPLICANT AND SO THIS IS GOING
TO BE INCREDIBLY ONEROUS ON
SMALL HOUSING PROVIDERS IN
PARTICULAR SENIOR SMALL HOUSING
PROVIDERS AND WE WOULD ALSO
NOTE THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE
AUTHORS OPENING THIS MUST BE
PROVIDED PRIOR TO ENTERING INTO
A RENTAL AGREEMENT HOWEVER WE
WOULD RESPECTFULLY -- CLARIFY
THAT NOT ONLY DOES THAT TO BE
PROVIDED PRIOR TO ENTERING INTO
A A RENTAL OR LEASE AGREEMENT
BUT ACTUALLY THE BILL NOTES
-- THAT HOUSING PROVIDERS
PRECLUDED FROM PROVIDING
THE RESULT OF THIS ENERGY
EFFICIENCY AUDIT CLEATED FROM
DOING SO -- -- CANNOT COLLECT
AN APPLICATION FEE UNTIL THEY
GIVE THE RESULTS OF THIS UNIT
SPECIFIC ENERGY EFFICIENCY
AUDIT FORM AND THIS IS GOING
TO BE EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC
BECAUSE -- IN THE RENTAL
APPLICATION PROCESS TYPICALLY A
PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE APPLYING
ONLINE OR IF YOU'RE WALKING
INTO -- THE RENTAL OFFICE AND
YOU WANT TO GET IN Q.
AND SO YOU FILL OUT THE
APPLICATION WE DON'T KNOW
IF YOU WANT A STUDIO OR ONE
BEDROOM -- AND YOU HAVE TO IT
YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO CHECK WITH
YOUR SPOUSE AND SO TYPICALLY
YOU FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND
THEN YOU GO THROUGH THE UNIT
SELECTION PROCESS THIS BILL
REQUIRES THE PROVIDED UNITS
SPECIFIC ENERGY EFFICIENCY
AUDIT FORM PRIOR TO PROCESSING
AN APPLICATION AND THAT'S JUST
NOT PRACTICAL IN THE REAL WORLD
-- AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST IN -- BUT
THANKS I KNOW TO SELL WEAPONS
GIVING SIDE EYE TO TAKING YOUR
TIME SO A MASSACRE FEEL KINDA
KEEPER COMMENTS RECENTLY KEEP
YES MY HEART MY APOLOGIES OF
WORKERS NO PROBLEM I DEMOCRATS
WITH THE CALIFORNIA APARTMENT
ASSOCIATION IF ANY OF YOU EVER
FILLED OUT AN APPLICATION OR
YOU'VE GOTTEN THE RENTAL PACKET
IT'S HUGE CALIFORNIA HAS SO
MANY DISCLOSURES AND SO MANY
REQUIREMENTS THIS IS JUST ONE
MORE UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S GOING
TO GET LOST WE FEAR THAT THE
TENANT THERE'S NOTHING THAT
ATTENDED CAN DO WITH THIS
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING
TODAY -- I THINK THAT'S VERY
UNFORTUNATE THEY'RE ALREADY THE
NEW A NEW OR UNITS ARE ALREADY
ENERGY EFFICIENT AND WHAT'S
LEFT ALSO HERE AT AND WE DON'T
BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED
TO PROVIDE TO DISCLOSURE AND
I THINK THE ONLY THING HERE
THAT IS A PROBLEM AS WELL IS
THAT THE THE BILL SAID YOU
CAN'T CHARGE OR ANY SORT OF
DOLLARS FOR THE APPLICATION
AND COULD GET STUCK WITHOUT AN
ATTENDANT NOT AGREEING TO PAY
THE RENT SO WE WANT TO REQUEST
YOUR NO VOTE THANK YOU THANK
YOU -- PUBLIC COMMENT TIME WE
WILL TAKE -- WITNESSES IN THE
ROOM HERE -- IN SUPPORT YOUR
NAME ORGANIZATION AND RESTATE
YOUR POSITION OURS IS A CLOSE
MISTER CHORE OKAY WE WILL GO
TO OPPOSITION IS YOUR NAME
WHAT ELECTION THE CHAIRMEN ARE
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WITH
YOUR INDULGENCE WE HAVE TWO
COMMENTS IF THAT'S PERMITTED
I AM PLEASED WITH THE PARKING
PLEASE MOVE QUICKLY OKAY
YES I'M WE REPRESENT SEVERAL
APARTMENT ASSOCIATIONS HERE'S
THE ISSUE THIS CHANGES THIS TO
AUTHORIZES THE STATE TO CHANGE
THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY STANDARDS
WHEN EVER OUR UNIT WAS BUILT
IF IT WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES
SIXTIES SEVENTIES EIGHTIES OR
OR LATER THEN IN THE STATE BY
DECREE CHANGES THOSE STANDARDS
EVEN THOUGH WE COMPLIED WITH
THE SECOND WHEN THIS BILL GOES
INTO EFFECT THE FOLLOWING DAY
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THIS AUDIT
STATEMENT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE
TO DO SO SO -- THESE ARE THE
TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE REALLY
PROBLEMATIC WE HAVE ASKED
THE BILL TO BE HELD IN QUEBEC
HE WORKED OUT THANK YOU ALL
RIGHT MISTER CHAMBERS PAT RAN
WITH THEIR IN RING ASSOCIATES
REPRESENTING THE SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA RENTAL HOUSING
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION
THANK YOU THANK YOU SIR -- WILL
GO TO THE FOR MODERATORS SEE
IF WE HAVE ANYONE -- THAT'S
CALLED IN TO SUPPORTER OPPOSE
THE MEASURE YOUR IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSE ENOUGH THE R.
S.
B.
TEN TWENTY SIX PLEASE PRESS
ONE THEN ZERO WE HAVE LINE ONE
TWELVE YOUR LINE IS OPEN ONE
TWELVE GOOD AFTERNOON ELAINE
ORTIZ ON BEHALF OF ENERGY THE
ACTION FUND AND SUPPORT WHY
NINETY NINE YOUR LINE IS OPEN
NINETY NINE -- JESSICA CRAVEN
MULOCK LIMIT COLLECTIVE AND
ALSO THE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC
PARTY ENVIRONMENTAL CAUCUS IN
SUPPORT AND WE HAVE LINE NUMBER
NINETY FOR YOUR LINE IS OPEN
NINETY FOUR NAZARIAN HI THERE
ARE ALSO STRENGTHENED AGAINST
FRACKING SUPPORT SB ONE ZERO
TWO SIX THANKS WITH AND THERE
ARE NO OTHER LINES IN Q.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH WILL BRING
BACK TO THE DIS ANY QUESTIONS
FROM MEMBERS DR BOB SO THE
QUESTION IF THE REASON WHY HE'S
SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY
THE NEXT DAY IS THAT C.
E.
C.
HAS TO HAVE A PROGRAM ON THE
LAST DAY OF TWENTY TWENTY THREE
AND THEN THE REST OF YOUR BILL
GOES INTO EFFECT ON THE FIRST
DAY OF TWENTY TWENTY FOUR BUT
I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK
THAT'S ENTIRELY -- WHAT THE
BILL SAYS BUT THAT'S WHY THAT
COMIC CANNOT CAN YOU OR YOUR
EXPERT TO CORRECT THAT THROUGH
THE THROUGH THE CHAIR FOR THE
WEEK WHEN I TRIED THERE'S NO
GOTCHA HERE WE WE WANT THAT THE
ENERGY COMMISSION TO COME IN
AND DEVELOP A ONE PAGE FORM SO
CONSUMERS KNOW IF THEY'VE GOT
DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS SO THERE
THERE'S INSULATION IN THERE SO
IF THE BILL PROCEEDS WE WILL
CORRECT THAT IN APPROPRIATIONS
WHAT THE AMENDMENT TO GIVE
THE GIVE THAT COMMUNITY TIME
TO IT'S NOT THE NEXT DAY
THAT DAY THEY HAVE TO COME
UP BUT THAT'S THAT WAS NEVER
IT I DIDN'T CATCH IT NO OTHER
COMMITTEES HAVE CAUGHT IT BUT
FINE THAT'S YEAH -- THE OTHER
COMMENT I'LL MAKE IS AS FAR
AS NEW BUILDING GOES I THINK
IT'S GREAT IF THE LANDLORD
CAN SAY WERE SUPER EFFICIENT
SIDE UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD
BE OPPOSED TO NEWER BUILDINGS
DISCLOSING THAT INFORMATION
-- YES THEY'RE VERY EFFICIENT
AND WANTED TO USE THAT TO GET
MORE TENANTS BECAUSE THEY KNOW
THAT THEY WON'T BE PAYING THIS
MUCH FOR THEIR REFRIGERATOR
ELECTRIC BILL JUST SAN THAT'S
OKAY THAT WASN'T A QUESTION
PAYKEL QUESTION YES THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR US IS THANK CENTER
AND I I THINK -- I COMPLETELY
SHARE YOUR YOUR GOALS HERE OF
-- -- NOT ONLY HAVING THAT THE
DISCLOSURE OF FOR PROSPECTIVE
TENANTS BUT BUT TO INCENTIVIZE
LANDLORDS TO TO TO MAKE THEIR
-- DWELLINGS MORE EFFICIENT
-- YOU KNOW I I I'M ALWAYS --
SYMPATHETIC TO THE CONCERNS
OF THE SO CALLED MOM AND POP
LANDLORDS -- WAS THERE ANY
CONSIDERATION AND AND IN TERMS
OF -- -- TRYING TO EXEMPT THE
MOM AND POPS AS AS SICK AS YOU
DEFINING FUTURE I MEAN IF YOU
LOOK AT THE MAIN DISCLOSURE
IT'S PRETTY PRETTY SIMPLE
I MEAN THEY ASK WINDOWS AND
DOORS YOU KNOW THEY GOT STORM
DOORS STORM DOORS TO THE STATE
MINIMUM INSULATED OR WITH STORM
SO THEY SAY YOU CHECK INSULATED
YOU CHECK STORM YOU HAVE
CHECKED INSULATED WHAT STORY
HAVE NOT EITHER AND IF YOU
DON'T HAVE THOUGHT NEITHER YOU
PUT IT IN THERE BUT IT'S JUST
BASIC INFORMATION WHAT TYPE
OF INSULATION YOU HAVE IN YOUR
WALLS IN YOUR CEILINGS WHAT ARE
YOUR PRICES AT THE PRE NINETEEN
NINETY FIVE THIS IS NOT THIS IS
NOT I THINK A MIDDLE SCHOOL KID
COULD PROBABLY DO THIS IN THE
SCHOOL PROJECT THE PHILADELPHIA
BECAUSE YOU AND YOU THE IDEA
IS TO GIVE THE CONSUMER THE
INFORMATION ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT
IT IS IF IF YOU PUT A BRAND
NEW REFRIGERATOR AND SAY HEY
I GOT THE REFRIGERATOR IT'S
READ IT STAR RATED NUMBER TWO
IT'S GOING TO SAVE YOU THREE
HUNDRED DOLLARS IT'S IT'S SO WE
WE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WE'VE
HEARD OF IT EACH LEVEL OF THE
COMMITTEE MORNING THIS IS NOT
REALLY ONEROUS OF WHAT WE'RE
ASKING HIM TO KEEP HIM IN THE
ENERGY COMMISSION LISTENING
THERE THEY THEY WE DON'T WANT
IT TO BE SUPER COMPLICATED
WANNA BE INFORMATIVE FOR
FOLKS AND THEY TALK ABOUT
THAT SPLIT INCENTIVE WHERE
THE LANDLORD DOESN'T WANT
TO PUT IN A NEW REFRIGERATOR
ISN'T PATEY INTERPRET GPL
SHE DOESN'T PAY THE ENERGY
BILL AND ALL THE TENANTS NOT
GOING TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS
BECAUSE THEY DON'T TAKE THE
WINDOWS WITH THEM SO NOTHING
GETS DONE SO THAT'S THE IDEA
THIS IS NOT JUST PEOPLE ONE
OF THE OTHER SO SO IT'S IT'S
IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A CHECK
LIST OF SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT YOU YOU TALKED ABOUT IT
AND IT'S NOT LIKE A SOME KIND
OF AN ESTIMATE OF THE AVERAGE
ELECTRICITY USE AND IN IN THE
UNIT AND SO FORTH GAS STOVE
SUGGESTED ELECTRIC IGNITION
DOESN'T HAVE ELECTRIFICATION
LET'S HAVE A PILOT LIGHT WE
HAVE NO GAS STOVE PRETTY EASY
YOU KNOW I MEAN IF THEY HAD --
CALIFORNIA WILL DO AN UPGRADE
I MEAN THIS IS MAIN WATER SNOW
BUT THAT'S THE IDEA OKAY THANK
YOU THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION
YEAH ACTUALLY A COMMENT ARE
THE THE FOREMAN WITH THE CHECK
OFF THAT YOU HAVE A SIMPLE BUT
I THINK BACK TO YOUR COMMENT
THAT IT'S A NOTCH AND AND FOR
OUR SMALLER LANDLORDS THAT HAVE
ONE OR TWO UNITS -- THAT MATCH
SOMETIMES MIGHT BE OUT OF THERE
AFFORDABILITY RANGE ANA AND AS
TENANTS ARE COMING IN OR PEOPLE
ARE PLAYING IN THE YOU KNOW THE
DISCUSSIONS THAT ENSUE THERE
THE PRESSURE THAT THEY FILL YOU
KNOW AND SO FORTH SO I THINK WE
DO NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO SOME
OF THESE FOLKS I WILL TELL YOU
FOR MYSELF -- THAT MUCH IS NOT
A BIG DEAL I DID THAT A LONG
TIME AGO -- BECAUSE -- YOU KNOW
BUT FOR SOME FOLKS IT IT IS IT
IS REALLY STRESSFUL -- AND SO
I THINK WE SHOULDN'T JUST BE
SO DISMISSIVE ABOUT OUR SMALLER
APARTMENT OWNERS WITH WHAT THE
FORM IS DOING I THINK YOU KNOW
IT'S IT'S THAT BALANCES I WOULD
JUST ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE
TO ACTUALLY TRY TO FIND A
MIDDLE GROUND WITH SOME OF --
WITH WITH WITH SOME OF THESE
APARTMENT ASSOCIATIONS OF WHAT
THAT MIGHT BE INTO IS NOT JUST
ABOUT HOW SIMPLE DEPARTMENTS
BUT BUT BUT THAT LEADS TO THANK
YOU FOR PERHAPS PLEASE YOU KNOW
RIGHT -- THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
FOR THE ENERGY DEMAND COUNCIL
WHO DOES THIS FOR A LIVING
COULD SHINE SOME LIGHT ON WHAT
WE'RE EXPECTING CHORE IF THIS
IS JUST IT MEANT MENTIONED
INTENDED TO BE A SIMPLE
DISCLOSURE SO IN THE CASE OF
SMALL ASSEMBLY MEMBER C.
AS IN CASE OF SMALL BUILDINGS
ONCE YOU FILL THIS OUT ONE TIME
YOU COULD ZERO SIX SORRY XEROX
IT AND HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR
THE NEXT TENANTS THAT COME IN
IT'S NOT AN AUDIT THAT THINGS
CHANGE UNLESS YOU HAVE GONE AND
CHANGE THE INSULATION I YOU'VE
CHANGED THE THINK IT ONCE THEY
GET THE CHECK MARKS MAYBE IT
WOULD TAKE YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE
A SMALL OWNER YOU CERTAINLY
KNOW IF THERE'S INSULATION YOU
KNOW IF YOU HAVE GAS BILL I
HAVE ELECTRIC HEAT DO I HAVE
YOU KNOW THOSE THAT INFORMATION
THAT'S EASILY AVAILABLE AND
AGAIN YOU KNOW WITH CHECK MARKS
IN THAT LEASE THAT ALLOWS THE
PROSPECTIVE RENTER TO BE ABLE
TO SAY AT THE SAME TIME THEY
COULD MAKE AVAILABLE AND I
I THINK THE COMMISSION ALSO
WANTS TO MAKE AVAILABLE HERE
ARE THE EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS
AVAILABLE TO YOU USUALLY YOU
CAN TAKE AVAILABLE OF THESE
REBATES -- HERE'S IF YOU WANT
TO HAVE ADDITIONAL HELP WE HAVE
THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT
IT THE LEAST FOCUSES THEM ON
THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THE
BILL AS A TENANT ONE OF THE
MOST IMPORTANT THINGS AND IT
ALSO TELLS THE OWNER OR THE
LANDLORD IF PEOPLE SAY YOU
KNOW I I CAN'T AFFORD THAT --
I I'M NOT COMFORTABLE TAKING
ON THAT MONTHLY BILL BUT MAYBE
THAT THE LANDLORD GOES AND
INVESTS IN EFFICIENCY MEASURES
THAT TO MAKE THE PROPERTY MORE
ATTRACTIVE WHICH IS WHAT'S
DONE IN THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS
THE COMMERCIAL MARKET CHAU
IS A JACK I'VE I'VE LOOKED
AT THE FORM AND IT IS A SAID
HE YOU COULD READ IT AND YOU
TAKE AS YOU SAID SENATOR IT'S
YOU KNOW AT A MIDDLE SCHOOLER
COULD COULD CHANGE THAT WE HAVE
ANOTHER ONE IS NOT HOW EASY
THAT PARMESAN WITH AN AYE AYE
COULD PHOTOCOPY IT THE POINT
IS THAT YOU ARE BY DEFAULT AND
CHANGING THE EXPECTATIONS AND
ADDING EXTRA WORK ON TO THE
SMALLER LIKE LANDLORDS AND IT'S
NOT THAT EASY LIKE -- THERE'S
THESE GREAT PROGRAMS AND IT'S
EASY TO PLAY IT'S NOT NOT THAT
STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EASY FOR
ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS OUT THERE
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE IN A LOW
INCOME COMMUNITY OUT THERE HAVE
SENIOR CITIZENS WHO THE UNIT IN
THE BACK IS THE RETIREMENT --
ALSO -- AND SO IT'S IT'S IT'S
NOT AS EASY AS YOU'RE MAKING IT
OUT TO BE AS THE FORM ITSELF IS
REALLY EASY I GET THAT AND YOU
COULD JUST PHOTOCOPIED I GET
THAT BUT AS THE IMPLICATIONS
OF WHAT THAT LEADS TO SO I
DON'T WANT TO BE DISMISSIVE
I THINK I I -- I ACTUALLY
APPRECIATE WHAT MISTER MICHAELS
IS TRYING TO DO BUT JUST TRAIN
I THOUGHT THAT'S FINE IT'S EASY
IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL I THINK
IT'S A LITTLE TOO DISMISSIVE
ALL RIGHT WOULD YOU LIKE TO
A CLOSE IN THAT THERE ARE
MANY MORE QUESTIONS SIR I
WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK IS NOT
A VOTE AND I THINK WE HAVE
A MOTION AND SECOND ALREADY
SO WE'LL CALL CALL BROKE UP
MOTION WAS MADE FAMOUS WORKS
OF ART BY MATH MYSTERIES
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT S.
B.
TEN TWENTY SIX MISTER GIBSON
CORRECTION SORRY THE MOTION
IS DUE PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
EDUARDO GARCIA EDUARDO GARCIA I
PATTERSON NO PATTERSON NO PARA
QUE HAN CARILLO CHEN CUNNINGHAM
CRISTINA GARCIA GIPSON GIPSON
I HOLDEN MAYES MAYES NOW
MURATSUCHI HI MCCARTY AYE
QUIRK AYE REYES SANTIAGO CHANG
THAT'S FOR TO KEEP IT OPEN
SENATOR HUESO PLEASE COME
FORWARD AND YOU WILL BE
PERCENT CHANGE ON S.
B.
FIVE NINETY NINE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION
PROCEEDINGS REPORTS AND PUBLIC
UTILITY COMPLAIN THAT SECOND
OKAY PLEASE PROCEED YEAH
THANK YOU I WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR WORKING IN MY
OFFICE THIS IS -- THIS BILL
WILL PROVIDE CLEAR FINING
CODE -- CLEAN UP TO SEE IF
YOU SEE RELATED STATUES I'VE
DONE SOME WORK IN THIS AREA
IN THE PAST AND SO -- AGAIN
THIS IS BEEN A COLLABORATION
WITH CPUC -- HOPE -- WE CAN
COUNT ON YOUR SUPPORT THIS BILL
THE POPE THAT WAS IT YEAH OKAY
ALL RIGHT ANY ONE FOR SURE
ANYWAY ANYONE IN THE BUILDING
WANT TO COMMENT IN SUPPORT
NO NO ONE IN SUPPORT ANYONE
IN ANYONE IN THE IN THE
BUILDING IN OPPOSITION THAT
WILL GO TO THE PHONE LINES
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS
SNICKERING AT ON THIS
GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS -- FOR
SENEGAL GAS ELECTRIC AND SO CAL
GAS AND RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION
UNLESS AMENDED -- WE UNDERSTAND
THAT IT'S MOSTLY CLARIFYING
AND -- A LOT OF CLEANUP --
MY COMMENTS WILL BE CONCISE
AND BRIEF TO SPECIFICALLY
TO SECTION FIVE OF THE BILL
I'M SECTION FIVE RECASTS THE
QUITE PERIOD FOR RATE SETTING
CATASTROPHIC WILDFIRE CASES
-- CURRENTLY -- THE LAW ALONG
WITH THE CODE ALLOWS APPLICANTS
AND PARTIES TO PROVIDE WRITTEN
COMMUNICATIONS EVEN DURING
QUIET PERIODS -- IN RECASTING
THIS BUS FOR THE STATUTE IT
IS -- ELIMINATING OUR ABILITY
TO PROVIDE WRITTEN COMMENTS IN
THE REASON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT
IS BECAUSE -- OFTEN TIMES EVEN
DURING THESE -- DAYS LEADING
UP TO A VOTING MEET MEETING --
THERE COULD BE -- -- AMENDMENTS
OR DECISIONS THAT ARE RE ISSUED
WITH MODIFICATIONS IN WHICH
CASE WE WOULD BE PROHIBITED
FROM -- ANY STAKEHOLDER INPUT
DURING THAT PROCESS SO --
IF AYE MATE I'M JUST TALK
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE
TECHNICALITIES ARE WITH THIS --
IN PICO RIVERA COULD ALSO GIVE
THIS HOW MANY DAYS YOU CAN ARM
COMMENT AND THEN HOW MANY DAYS
YOU CAN'T AS YOU GO THROUGH
THAT CHECK THANK YOU SO IN
SEVENTEEN OH ONE DOT THREE H.
SIX THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT
CIRCUMSTANCES AND STATUTES THAT
ALLOW US TO -- THAT THE PC CAN
OR ARE REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH A
QUIET PERIOD A FOR CLOSED DOOR
RATE SETTING MEETING THEY MAY
ESTABLISH A QUIET PERIOD B.
AFTER PROPOSED VISION WAS
ISSUED AND SCHEDULED FOR A
VOTE THEY MAY ESTABLISH A
QUIET PERIOD SEE THE SHALL
ESTABLISH A QUIET PERIOD
THREE DAYS BEFORE VOTING
MEETING AND INDEED THEY MAY
ESTABLISH A QUITE PERIOD --
FOR CATASTROPHIC WELFARE CASES
IF YOU OVERLY THE CODE WITH
THAT -- SPECIFICALLY A RULE
EIGHT POINT TO SEE THREE IN
FOUR THE CODE ALLOWS WRITTEN
COMMUNICATIONS AT ALL TIMES
AND THE CODE ALSO SAYS AND
SPECIFICALLY REFERENCES THE
STATUTE IN SAYING THAT ORAL
AND WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS ARE
PROHIBITED ONLY UNDER A AND D.
SO WHEN THERE'S A PROPOSED
DECISIONS -- WRITTEN
COMMUNICATION IS STILL OUT IN
TERMS OF THE TIMING -- ONCE
A PROPOSED DECISION IS ISSUED
THERE'S THIRTY DAYS UNTIL
THE FINAL VOTE SO GENERALLY
SPEAKING -- THESE ARE YOU KNOW
THESE KIDS CAN GO ON FOR A
LONG TIME AND THERE IS SORT
OF A BACK AND FORTH BUT WHAT'S
CRITICAL IS WHAT'S IN THE
PROPOSED DECISION SO WANTED
ISSUED WE HAVE TWENTY DAYS TO
COMMENT -- AFTER ADDITIONAL
FIVE DAYS THERE ARE REPLY
COMMENTS AND THEN THE QUITE
PERIOD IS ESTABLISHED ON THE
TWENTY SEVEN TO TWENTY NINTH
DAY AGAIN LEADING UP TO THE
THIRTIETH DAY WHICH IS WHEN
THEY TAKE THE VOTE SO WE HAVE
A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES -- AND
KAY AND AND WERE OUR CONCERN IS
THAT DURING THE QUIET PERIOD IF
YOU'RE ELIMINATING OUR ABILITY
TO -- TO PROVIDE WRITTEN
COMMUNICATIONS AND THERE IS
A MODIFICATION OR OR THERE'S
SOMETHING IS CHANGED -- IN THE
PROPOSED DECISION THEN THERE'S
NO STAKEHOLDER INPUT ON WHAT'S
ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON I'M SO
FOR THOSE REASONS WE WOULD WE
WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE WORKING
WITH THE OFTEN THE SPONSORS
AND IN EITHER -- REESTABLISHING
OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE WRITTEN
EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS I'M
DOING QUITE PERIODS -- OR OR
-- FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION THAT
SORT OF THREAD THE NEEDLE I
THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE
TO PETITION I'M INTERPRETING
MATTER -- TO THE PC AND AND
THAT THAT'S A PARTICULAR
ABILITY IS NOT ELIMINATED GOING
FORWARD OKAY -- IS THERE ANYONE
ELSE IN THE ROOM WHO WISHES
CHIU OF RISE IN OPPOSITION
SO GO TO THE PHONE LINES AND
I'LL MENTION THIS IS A VERY
SMALL PART OF A BIGGER BELT --
IS THERE ANYONE ON THE PHONE
LINES IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
OF SB FIVE TWENTY NINE
IF YOUR ANSWER IS ARE
ADVISED NINETY NINE FIVE
NINETEEN GET THEIR SUPPORT
OR OPPOSITION OF S.
B.
FIVE NINETY NINE PLEASE
PRESS ONE THEN ZERO AND IT'LL
BE JUST ONE MOMENT PLEASE
LINE ONE FOURTEEN YOUR
LINE IS OPEN NINE ONE
FOURTEEN DANIEL GUTIERREZ ON
BEHALF OF TURN THE UTILITY
REFORM NETWORK AND SUPPORT
AND LINE ONE ZERO EIGHT
YOUR LINE IS OPEN ONE ZERO
EIGHT HI THIS IS BEVERLY DAY
SHOW HIM WITH THE ELECTRIC
VEHICLE ASSOCIATION CENTRAL
COAST WE SUPPORT S.
B.
FIVE NINETY NINE
AND THERE'S NOBODY LEFT IN Q.
OKAY SO NOW WE GET TO THE POINT
WHERE WE CAN ACHIEVE WITH I
GUESS IT'S JUST TO MY RIGHT ARM
ASSEMBLY MEMBERS ARE QUESTIONS
AND COMMENTS GO AHEAD TO MADAM
GARCIA THANK -- MISTER WITH A
FOR HIS LEADERSHIP IN THE SPACE
AND JUST GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
RESPOND TO THE OPPOSITION FROM
FROM THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY
IS THIS -- WHEN WE INTRODUCE
BILL BACK IN FEBRUARY WE
CHECKED WITH ALL THE UTILITIES
ON THIS BILL AND THIS BILL
IS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS
OVER A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED
THAT -- JUST JUST THIS WEEK WE
RECEIVED A LETTER OF OPPOSITION
WHEN THERE'S THAT WE'VE HAD
NUMEROUS SYRIANS ON THIS SO --
WE'LL JUST GO BACK AND SEE WHAT
WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND TRY TO
RESOLVE AS BEST WE CAN OKAY I
CAN APPRECIATE THAT THANK YOU
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS GO AHEAD
MR MYERS THANK YOU I JUST
WANT TO ADD ON TO MS GARCIA
I AM IN EVEN IF IT SOUNDS
LIKE IT'S A JUST A THREE DAY
QUIET PERIOD IF YOU KNOW IF
IF THERE ARE CHANGES IT SEEMS
LIKE STAKEHOLDERS SHOULD HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT SO I
WOULD SUPPORT A WITH IT SOUNDS
LIKE A GOOD IDEA THANK YOU SOME
OKAY ANYONE ELSE ALL RIGHT SO
THERE CAN BE A CHANGE ON THE
TWENTY FIFTH -- AFT SO THERE'S
TWENTY DAYS COMMENT THAT ON THE
TWENTY FIFTH DAY IN RESPONSE
TO THE COMMENT THEY CAN MAKE
A CHANGE IN THE PROPOSAL SO
THE COMPANIES WOULD ONLY HAVE
ONE DAY TO RESPOND TO -- FOR
ANYONE WOULD HAVE ONLY ONE DAY
RESPOND TO WHATEVER THE CHANGES
WERE WANT TO AND I ASSUME THAT
THIS IS THIS QUIET PERIOD IS
SOMETHING THAT THE CPUC WANT DO
YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHY THEY WANT
IT AND -- ARE THEY CONCERNED
THAT THEY WON'T GET RESPONSES
FROM OTHERS THE LOOK THIS LAW
WAS CHANGED -- APPROXIMATELY
FOR FIVE YEARS AGO SIX YEARS
AGO SO THIS IS BASED ON THE
PERFORMANCE OF THAT CURRENT
LEGISLATION WE HAVE RECEIVED
SOME CONCERNS NOT ONLY FROM THE
PUBLIC BUT THE PC IN TERMS OF
HOW THAT OPERATES SO THIS HAS
BEEN A PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN
GOING ON FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS
IN TERMS OF AMENDED INTO SO
YOU KNOW LIKE I SAID WE HAVE
DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY WITH THE
UTILITIES TURNED HAS BEEN AT
THE TABLE WE TALK TO EVERYBODY
ABOUT CREATING THE BEST
POSSIBLE PROCESS THAT THERE
IS STILL SOME CONCERN WE'LL GO
BACK AND LOOK AT THAT THIS IS
AGAIN THE FIRST WE'VE HEARD OF
THIS WE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND
-- SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE ISSUE
IS BUT WE'RE GOT WILL GO BACK
AND LOOK AT THIS AND SEE HOW
WE CAN ADDRESS IT GREAT NOW
THE CHAIR IS RECOMMENDING AN
AYE VOTE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
I REMEMBER FIVE SB FIVE NINE
NINE THE MOTION IS DUE PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS EDUARDO GARCIA
PATTERSON PARA QUE HAN CARILLO
CARILLO AYE CHEN CUNNINGHAM
CRISTINA GARCIA CRISTINA
GARCIA AYE GIPSON GIPSON AYE
HOLDEN MAYES MAYES I AM ARE
SEARCHING MURATSUCHI I HIGH
COURT HI CORK I REYES SANTIAGO
KING THAT'S SIX ZERO KEEP
IT OPEN THANK YOU VERY MUCH
ALL RIGHT SENATOR SKINNER
PLEASE COME FORWARD
SO THIS IS THE PRIMARY BOTH
OF US WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE
CHAIRED BUT THIS IS MY FIRST
CHANCE REALLY AND I'M NOT EVEN
ON MY HOUSE COMMITTEE IN NAME
ANYMORE OH WELL BUT I GET TO
PERCENT GOOD BILLS LIKE THIS
ONE AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHEN
MOTIONS ARE MADE SO BUT JUST
LET ME QUICKLY EXPLAIN WHAT IT
DOES THEN I WOULD -- IS ALREADY
OVER GEN SIXTY S.
THREE TEN SIXTY THREE SO PARK
ENERGY COMMISSION SET STANDARDS
FOR APPLIANCES SO THEY CAN
BE MORE WATER EFFICIENT MORE
ENERGY EFFICIENT RIGHT NOW
IN THIS SERIES DROUGHT AND
WITH THE NEED TO HAVE GRID
RELIABILITY WATER EFFICIENCY
AND ELECTRICITY EFFICIENCY
ARE GREAT FOR US HOWEVER THE
STATUTE YOU GAVE CEEC THAT
A TORRID HEAT THE COMMISSION
THE THIRTY PASSED IN NINETEEN
SEVENTY SEVEN REQUIRED THEM TO
WAIT A YEAR THERE'S NO NEED FOR
US TO WAIT A YEAR IF THERE'S
A INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY MANY
OF WHICH GET DEVELOPED IN
CALIFORNIA THAT IS AVAILABLE
NOW TO HELP US AND THE ENERGY
COMMISSION WOULD STILL HAVE TO
FOLLOW THE OTHER RULES AROUND
THE HOUSE BECAUSE DEFECTIVE
IT HAS TO HAVE FEASIBILITY
FOR US TO MEET THE STANDARD
FOR SUPPLY CHAIN ALL THAT SO
ALL MY BILL WOULD DO IS JUST
REMOVE THAT ONE YEAR IN THOSE
CASES WITH THE FINDING OF GOOD
CAUSE SO ALLOW ME TO NOW HAVE
A DAN JACOBSON FROM -- FROM --
DEPARTMENT CALIFORNIA AND JOE
DESMOND WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF CALIFORNIA PATIENTS
YOU DEMAND MANAGEMENT COUNCIL
WE ALREADY HEARD FROM AND
WHO WAS ALSO A FORMER ENERGY
COMMISSION MEMBERS SO PLEASE
GREAT YOUR GARCIA MEMBERS
OF THE ASSEMBLY UTILITIES
AND ENERGY COMMITTEE MY NAME
IS JOSEPH DESMOND STILL --
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE
CALIFORNIA EFFICIENCY DEMAND
MANAGEMENT COUNCIL TESTIFYING
IN SUPPORT OF SENATE BILL TEN
SIXTY THREE THE COUNCIL IS A
NON UTILITY TRADE ASSOCIATION
REPRESENTING MORE THAN SEVENTY
COMPANIES THAT DESIGN IMPLEMENT
MAINTAIN AT THE END OF VALUATE
ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND DEMAND
RESPONSE AND EMPLOY THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE WHO PLAY AN IMPORTANT
ROLE IN CALIFORNIA'S ECONOMY
RECENT ESTIMATES PUT THAT
NUMBER AT MORE THAN THREE
HUNDRED THOUSAND CALIFORNIANS
EMPLOYED IN THE INDUSTRY WE
REPRESENT CALIFORNIA'S CURRENT
APPLIANCE STANDARDS PROCESS
REQUIRES STRICT WAITING
PERIODS AS YOU HEARD OF BEFORE
NEW TECHNOLOGY STANDARDS ARE
ADOPTED SENATE BILL TEN SIXTY
THREE WILL HELP CALIFORNIA
ACCESS NEW AND MORE EFFICIENT
TECHNOLOGIES FASTER BY ALLOWING
NEW APPLIANCE STANDARDS TO
BE APPLIED SOONER IF THE CDC
MAKES A GOOD BECAUSE FINDING
THAT THE ACCELERATED ADOPTION
IS WARRANTED SENATE BILL TEN
SIXTY THREE WOULD PRESERVE THE
STRICT ONE YEAR DELAY IN MOST
SITUATIONS WOULD ALLOW THE CDC
TO MOST EFFECTIVELY A SYSTEM
MEETING THE STATE'S CLIMATE
GOALS GRID RELIABILITY CONCERNS
AND MANDATES WE BELIEVE THERE
ARE SUFFICIENT SAFEGUARDS IN
THE BILL TO ALLY LAKE EXCUSE
ME THE CAB MANUFACTURE CONCERNS
THAT THE SHORTER TIME FRAMES
WILL LIMIT CUSTOMER CHOICE
THIS BILL HELPS ACCELERATE THE
TIME DURING WHICH NEW CLEAN
APPLIANCE TECHNOLOGIES CAN BE
MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC
AND THUS HELPS CALIFORNIA
HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES
USE LESS ENERGY AND WATER AND
MEANINGFULLY CONTRIBUTE TO
OUR COLLECTIVE FIGHT AGAINST
CLIMATE CHANGE THE COUNCIL
APPLAUDS SENATOR SKINNER AND
HER STAFF FOR THEIR FOCUS ON
OVERCOMING CRITICAL BARRIERS
TO NEW TECHNOLOGY ADOPTION
TO HELP ADVANCE THE STATE'S
LAUDABLE GOALS AND FOR THESE
REASONS I ENCOURAGE YOUR AYE
VOTE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITIES
BEACON SUPPORT OF S.
B.
TEN SIXTY THREE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MISTER
SHERMAN MY NAME IS DAN JACOBSON
WITH REGARD TO CALIFORNIA I
ALSO WANT TO THANK THE SENATOR
FOR BRINGING FOR THIS IMPORTANT
BILL THIS REALLY IS SORT OF A
GREAT IDEA THAT JUST NEEDS TO
HAPPEN I MEAN THIS IS GOING
TO SAVE CONSUMERS MONEY BY
LETTING THEM HAVE APPLIANCES
THAT ARE MORE EFFICIENT AS
YOU ALL HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH
OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS
THE ISSUE OF THE BUDGET AND
WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO KEEP
FOSSIL FUEL POWER PLANTS ON
HAD WE HAD PROGRAMS LIKE THIS
UP YEARS AGO WE MIGHT NOT BE
IN THAT SAME SITUATION THAT
WE ARE NOW AND FINALLY WHEN
IT'S THE DOG DAYS OF SUMMER OR
THE EARLY FALL AND THE STATE'S
GREATEST IS PRESSED FOR MACS
WERE LOOKING TO SAVE EVERY
SINGLE WHITE THAT WE POSSIBLY
CAN ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS
LIKE THIS ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE
NEED THE ONLY THING I WOULD
SAY IS IT'S TOO BAD WE WE JUST
CAN'T HAVE THE STARTING SOONER
AND FASTER BECAUSE BOY DO WE
NEED THIS IN THE STATE RIGHT
NOW ENVIRONMENT CALIFORNIA
RESPECTFULLY URGES AND ASK FOR
AN AYE VOTE THANK YOU THANK YOU
ALL RIGHT ANYONE ELSE
IN THE ROOM IN SUPPORT
AND THEN I'LL ASK ANYONE
IN THE ROOM IN OPPOSITION
TO COME FORWARD AND THERE'S
PROBABLY IF THE HOME APPLIANCE
PEOPLE ARE HERE NOW R.
S.
T.
G.
N.
A.
KERNOT HERE OKAY -- WILL GO
TO THE PHONE LINES AND YOU CAN
SEE -- SO NO ONE ELSE IN THE
ROOM AND SUPPORT NO ONE ELSE
IN THE ROOM IN OPPOSITION WE'RE
GONNA GO TO THE PHONE LINES
AND -- -- SO WE'RE NOT GOING
TO ASK FOR COMMON IN SB TEN
SIXTY THREE EITHER SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION AND GUESTS GIVING
YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION
I HAD IF YOUR SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION OF SB TEN SIXTY
THREE PLEASE PRESS ONE THEN
ZERO WE HAVE LINE SIXTY SIX
YOUR LINE IS OPEN MIND SIXTY
SIX SH GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN
CHAIR AND MEMBERS IGOR TREACLE
IT MIGHT INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY
SHARE THE CALIFORNIA DAM
PARTY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCORD
SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE
FOUNDATION BUT THE PHONE LINE
ARE WE ARE AT ALL FROM ONE TO
LAUNCH MIGHT APART PART CAN'T
TWENTY SIX YES PLEASE THANK YOU
AT NINE ONE ZERO EIGHT YOUR
LINE IS OPEN ONE AWAIT HI
BEVERLY DAY SHOW FROM ELECTRIC
VEHICLE ASSOCIATION CENTRAL
COAST WE SUPPORT THE YOUNG
AMERICAN MARKET WILL
BE JUST A MOMENT
NINE ONE ONE FIVE YOUR LINE
IS OPEN NINE ONE FIFTEEN
LARA HAIDER AND I SAID SB ONE
ZERO SIX THREE THANK AT THIS
TIME THERE'S NOBODY LEFT IN Q.
ALL RIGHT -- TO MY RIGHT
AND THE ASSEMBLY MEMBERS
ANY QUESTIONS -- SO I'LL
JUST -- SAY THAT YOU HAVE
A LETTER THERE'S A LETTER
HERE FROM SDG AND E.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR --
ESSENTIALLY IS SENTENCED
TO BE ADDED ARE ASKING --
THE CPUC TO OVERSEE THE
ENERGY EFFICIENT PORTFOLIO
ADMINISTRATORS ON COMING UP
WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND
WE ALL KNOW COURSE HOW MUCH
WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THAT
THEY HAVE TO DO THINGS LIKE
THIS BUT PERHAPS YOU COULD
RESPOND TO THAT I'M WELL MY
UNDERSTAND NUMBER ONE THEY
DID NOT BRING THIS UP IN THE
SENATE BUT ADDITIONALLY THIS IN
SPEAKING WITH THE STAFF AT THE
ENERGY COMMISSION THEY INDICATE
THAT THEY ALREADY INTERACT
WITH STAFF AT THE P.
YOU SEE IN RELATION TO SETTING
THE STANDARDS AND I'LL JUST
MAKE THE COMMENT THAT YOU
DO HAVE ON RIGHT IF YOU --
PROTECTIONS HERE IN TERMS
OF -- FINDING GOOD CAUSE AND
GIVING PEOPLE TIME SO I'LL BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL AND THE
CHAIR HAS AN I RECOMMENDATION
I THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING
WE CAN ASKED TO CALL THE ROLL
I AM NUMBER SEVEN S.
B.
TEN SIXTY THREE THE MOTION
IS DUE PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
EDUARDO GARCIA PATTERSON
PARA QUE HAN CARILLO CARRILLO
I'D CHEN CUNNINGHAM CRISTINA
GARCIA CRISTINA GARCIA AYE
GIPSON I HOLDEN MAIS MAYES
I MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI I
CORK BY CORK I REYES SANTIAGO
CHANG AT SIX ZERO KEEP IT
OPEN OKAY THANK YOU THANK YOU
PROVIDING
YEAH OKAY WHAT ABOUT THE SHOW
A SENATOR WIENER OR CABALLERO
-- WE'D LOVE TO SEE HERE YEAH
YEAH OKAY
FIFTY
YEAH THE THING NOT HAVING
SESSION FULL SIX MINUTES RIGHT
WHAT I HAVE OVER HERE THANK YOU
TO TALK
-- THE BILL
THE BOTH OF US ONE ZERO
IS ONLY ONE I THINK YOU
THE VICE YEARS YEAH I'M
IN THE NATION AND WE'LL
AND SO THE ONES YOU KNOW THE
-- PORTION RIGHT PERFECT AND
HELLO FOR HI SUFFICIENT TO
WE ARE
I REMEMBER REMEMBER
DOING YOU KNOW I
THINK
WELL THIS IS ACTUALLY YEAH JUST
THIS IS -- A LOT WITH
THE RESULT YEAH I'M
NOT THE PROBLEM YES
JEREMY SHOULD ACTUALLY
HAVE THE WITH THE SAME NAME
YEAH ABSOLUTELY THE WORST
OKAY --
IF WE GO BACK ON THE I WAS
JUST SO THAT'S WHAT THE
PROBLEM IS AND STUFF USUALLY
YOU WOULD HAVE TO -- OKAY
HM OKAY
OKAY THAT'S
YEAH YEAH YEAH SO WE HAVE
TO GET LIKE THREE OR FOUR
YEARS THAT I WOULD HAVE BEEN
INTERESTING FOR FEDERAL MONEY
TO DO IT IT'S EXPECTED YES
CHRIS YEAH AND IF I WITH THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CHANGED
SERVICEMEN'S SO WHEN YOU --
THE STAFF WOULD BE HE LIKES
YEAH THEY
CAN
YEAH OKAY AND THEY'RE
HAVING PROBLEMS OKAY YEAH
OKAY STEP TWO BILLS
ITEM NUMBER FIVE SB
FIVE NINE NINE DO PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS EDUARDO
GARCIA HI EDUARDO GARCIA I
I DON'T NUMBER SEVEN SB
TEN SIXTY THREE DO PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS EDUARDO
GARCIA EDUARDO GARCIA I
YEAH AND I HAD TO DO AS I
BELIEVE IT THAT'S WHEN WE
DIDN'T LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT --
SAN
-- YEAH ONE
IT IS ALSO VERY GOOD FOR
OKAY WITH THE WITH THE --
-- SIXTY THREE
IF IT IS A PLACE
TO PLACE TO KIND OF
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS COMMITTEE
IS GOING TO RESPECT THIS YEAR
YES HE DID WITH THAT
CLICKBAIT YOU CAN READ ALL
OF THE PROCESS YEAH THAT'S
WHAT IT IS SO I THINK THAT
EVERYTHING FROM
I MEAN I WHAT ABOUT YEAH YEAH
PROBLEM WELL IF YOU WANT
ONE FOUR MILE WE WILL THE
STATE STREET NETWORK IT'S
TRUE THOUGH MISTER CHAIR
ON THE SB THIRTEEN EIGHTY
FIVE CORTEZ THE FIGHT CAN
GO FROM A NOT VOTING TONIGHT
ITEM NUMBER TWO SB
THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE
MAYES FROM NOT VOTING T I
SEVEN ZERO KEEP IT OPEN
BOTH
THIS IS NOW
YEAH
TIMES YOUR QUESTION
IS THAT FIFTY
RECOMMENDED ARTICLES
OKAY OKAY YEAH THE BILL
NUMBERS TO HELP OUR FAMILY
IT'S PAST ONE HUNDRED
YEAH
THE PROCESS IS YEAH
YOU WANT GRAYSON
FROM THE PRIORITY ONE AT
BRITISH CHAIR OKAY OKAY ALL
RIGHT HE SAID FIVE AND SEVEN
FIVE YEP YEP YEP OKAY ITEM
NUMBER FIVE SB FIVE NINE
NINE HI PERSON PATTERSON I
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN S.
B.
TEN SIXTY THREE PATTERSON NO
PATTERSON NOW EVERYTHING ELSE
CAPITAL RADIO AND LYFT IT
OKAY -- SO WHEN I FIRST GOT
HERE I ASKED TO BE CHAIR OF
UTILITIES COMMITTEE AND I'VE
NOW I'VE DONE IT THREE TIMES
TODAY SO IT JUST TOOK A LITTLE
WHILE THIS IS ITEM NUMBER NINE
SB THREE SEVENTY NINE WIENER
-- RESIDENTIAL SOLAR ENERGY
SYSTEMS PERMITTING PLEASE GO
AHEAD SENATOR THANK YOU MISTER
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING
YOU WAIT WE WERE IN THE SENATE
AND NOW IT'S ON THE ASSEMBLY
EDUCATION ONE OF THE SECOND
THAT CAN THANK YOU FOR CALLING
WW ARE BRIEF SB THREE SEVENTY
NINE -- WILL -- REQUIRE CITIES
OTHER THAN THE SMALL CITIES TO
ADOPT AUTOMATED ONLINE SOLAR
PERMITTING SOLAR IS A KEY
PART OF CALIFORNIA'S ENERGY
FUTURE IT TAKES WAY TOO LONG
AND IT'S CAN BE VERY COSTLY TO
GET A PERMIT FOR BASIC ROOFTOP
SYSTEMS -- AND TIMES CONCERT
START ALIGNING OURSELVES WITH
THE TREND OF THE FUTURE WHICH
IS THIS EXPEDITED ONLINE
PERMITTING I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN AYE VOTE -- WITH ME
TODAY'S TESTIFIED R.
PLUMAS KNOWS THE BOTTOM
OF THE POLICY ASSOCIATES
BURKE AND ARDIAN SIX RECTOR
ENVIRONMENT CALIFORNIA THANK
YOU THANK YOU -- MY NAME IS
POLEMICISTS THERE'S ABOUT A
POLICY ASSOCIATE AT CBRE A ONE
HUNDRED YEAR OLD THINK TANK
IN THE BAY AREA THANK YOU SO
MUCH TO THE AUTHOR AND HIS
STAFF FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP ON
THIS BILL AND TO THE CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE STAFF WHO WORK SO WHO
WORK WITH US -- PRODUCTIVELY
AS WELL SPUR IS COSPONSORING
SB THREE SEVENTY NINE WITH
ENVIRONMENT CALIFORNIA BECAUSE
WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO TO
ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS
THIS EASY JOINTLY WITH THE
PC AND CARVE ESTIMATES THAT
CALIFORNIA WILL NEED TO TRIPLE
THE AMOUNT OF SOLAR TO MEET
OUR HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAN
ELECTRICITY GOALS DESPITE
PASSED LEGISLATIVE REFORMS IS
STILL COST TOO MUCH AND TAKES
TOO LONG TO PERMIT A SIMPLE
RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP SOLAR
SYSTEM SB THREE SEVEN NINE A
SOLAR ACCESS ACT IS SIMPLE AND
DIRECT CITIES AND COUNTIES OVER
A CERTAIN POPULATION THRESHOLD
TO IMPLEMENT OUR IMPLEMENT
AUTOMATED PERMITTING FOR SIMPLE
RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP SOLAR
SYSTEMS TO AUTOMATE PERMITTING
WHERE IT DEVELOPED BY THE
NATIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY LAB A
DIVISION OF THE U.
S.
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY CALLED
SOLAR OUT PLUS THE SOFTWARE
WAS DEVELOPED WITH THE
COUNTRY'S MOST RESPECTED
BUILDING SAFETY ORGANIZATIONS
AND THE INTERNATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRICAL
INSPECTORS AT THE NATIONAL
FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION
AND THE INTERNATIONAL CODE
COUNCIL AND INCORPORATES OVER
A HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE SEPARATE
PLAN CHECKS WE'RE SUPPOSED OR
EVEN MOVE OF MOVE BY THE VICE
CHAIR RIGHT NOW HAS A THIRD
WITH THE COURTS TO BE -- FIFTY
YOU'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS
I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS
ALL RIGHT THOSE IN SUPPORT
PLEASE COME FORWARD DANIEL
BROUGHT ON BEHALF SIERRA CLUB
CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT STE PHILBY
IS THE LEAST SHAUN BEHALF
OF ADVANCED ENERGY ECONOMY
AND ALSO ON IN SUPPORT AND
ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD
OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE CITY
AND COUNTY OF SAN FRAN SAN
FRANCISCO ALSO IN SUPPORT THANK
YOU I THANK ESPERANZA VEOMA
ON IN SUPPORT AS PART OF THE
COALITION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
EQUITY IN ECONOMICS
MY EVERYONE GO FOR AGENCY W.
ON CAFE COOP IN SUPPORT
GEORGE BEING AROUND
THOSE NEEDLES IN SUPPORT
ALL RIGHT VERY GOOD -- ANYONE
IN THE ROOM IN OPPOSITION
ALL RIGHT WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE
PHONES AND IF YOU'RE IN SUPPORT
OR OPPOSITION OF SB THREE
SEVENTY NINE WIENER OUR PLEASE
JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME ARE YOUR
ORGANIZATION IF ANY OR WHERE
YOU'RE FROM AND YOUR POSITION
THANK YOU GO AHEAD THANK YOU
ARE IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
OF SB THREE SEVENTY NINE PLEASE
PRESS ONE THEN THERE ARE ALL
WE HAVE LINE ONE OH SIX YOUR
LINE IS OPEN ONE ZERO SIX THANK
YOU I CONNECTING TURN MEMBERS
THIS IS YELEY GAZ BURKE WITH
THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION
OF REALTORS IN SUPPORT
BLIND ONE TWENTY TWO YOUR LINE
IS OPEN ONE TWENTY TWO HELLO
JERRY MEMBERS AND WITH THE
HELP THE TRANSCRIPT CONSULTING
ON BEHALF OF ENVIRONMENTAL
DEFENSE FUND AND VOTE SOLAR
IMPORT AT THREE SEVENTY NINE
LINE ONE TWENTY FIVE YOUR
LINE IS OPEN ONE TWENTY FIVE
MISTER CHAIR NUMBERS DIDN'T
SPREAD MUCH OF WHAT THE PLANET
CENTER IN SUPPORT THANK YOU HI
NINE ONE TWENTY YOUR LINE IS
OPEN ONE TWENTY GOOD AFTERNOON
ONLY AN ORGY ON BEHALF OF THE
ENERGY TO ACTION FUND INTO
COURT NINE ONE SEVENTEEN YOUR
LINE IS OPEN ONE SEVENTEEN
GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN ACTING
CHAIR AND MEMBERS BEFORE TREK
UP ON BEHALF OF THE ALAMEDA
COUNTY DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHICH
I CHAIR WE STRONGLY SUPPORT
SB THREE SEVENTY NINE THANK
YOU LINE SIXTY THREE YOUR LINE
IS OPEN SIXTY THREE VOEPEL
SCHENKER RECCO TENERGY NAPA
BASED -- IN STRONG SUPPORT
THREE SEVEN NINE NINE ONE
TWENTY THREE YOUR LINE IS
OPEN ONE TWENTY THREE ONE ZERO
THREE CALIFORNIA ADVISORS ON
BEHALF OF BSE THAT CENTER FAN
OF ALL ENERGY AND THE COURTS
AT NINE ONE ZERO EIGHT YOUR
LINE IS OPEN ONE ZERO EIGHT I
REALLY DO SHOW WOULD BE LIKE
TECHNICAL ASSOCIATION CENTRAL
COAST CHAPTER -- WE STRONGLY
SUPPORT THREE SEVENTY NINE
THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL PIECE
PUT TOGETHER STORE GOALS
AND AT THIS TIME THERE ARE NO
OTHER LINE MISSING Q.
VERY GOOD ARE WE CAN NOW BRING
IT BACK TO THE DAIS THIS GIPSON
OR JUST MAYES I HAD MISSED
MERCY CHIEF HERE YES WHAT
AND YOU I'LL GET YOU NEXT GO
AHEAD THANK YOU CENTER I I --
APPRECIATE YOU BRING THIS BILL
FOR IT I WHEN I READ THE SUMMER
I THOUGHT WAIT I THOUGHT I DID
THIS BUT THE AND AND THEN I I
REALIZE THAT THE THAT -- YOU'RE
YOU'RE YOU'RE TAKING THE NEXT
STEP OF OF -- REQUIRING THE
ONLINE AUTOMATED PERMITTING
PLATFORM TO BUILD ON THE -- THE
THE STREAMLINING THAT TO -- BUT
I WAS I WAS CURIOUS -- -- AS AS
YOU MAY KNOW I I HAD A BILL IN
TWENTY FOURTEEN THAT THAT'S --
THAT REQUIRED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
TO STREAMLINE THE PERMITTING
PROCESS HE'S AYE AND I REMEMBER
THE THE THE THE CITIES AND
AND ESPECIALLY THE LOCAL FIRE
DEPARTMENTS WERE GIVEN ME SUCH
A HARD TIME ABOUT TO ABOUT YOU
KNOW LOSING THE LOCAL CONTROL
HOW DID HOW DID YOU HOW DID
YOU AVOID THE LEGAL CITIES
AND THE AND THE FIRE CHIEFS
WHO TO TO YEAH YEAH NO THANK
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK HE DID
FANTASTIC WORK ON A BILL -- WE
WORKED EXTENSIVELY OVER MONTHS
AND MONTHS -- WITH THE -- WITH
THE FIRE THE FIRE CHIEFS AND
-- ON ELECTRICAL WORKERS AND
INSPECTORS IN AND MADE A NUMBER
OF AMENDMENTS AND AND THAT WAS
ENOUGH TO REMOVE OPPOSITION
ALTHOUGH GREAT A LOT OF WORK
THEM ALL RIGHT BUSH IF YOU
CAN ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR GOOD
LUCK WITH THAT THANK YOU VERY
GOOD MISTER MISTER VICE CHAIR
AND YOU WANT TO GAP NO BUT I
KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DOING FIND
OUT CENTER APPRECIATE THE BILL
-- AS YOU KNOW AS MERIT FRESNO
FOR EIGHT YEARS ONE OF THE FIVE
THINGS WE WERE WORKING ON WAS
AUTOMATED ONLINE -- PERMITTING
FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND
SO THIS -- IS SOMETHING THAT I
THINK ARE CITY'S GONNA WELCOME
-- IF WE DON'T DO IT ALREADY
I HAVEN'T BEEN MAYOR SINCE
TWO THOUSAND AND ONE SO ANYWAY
BOB I APPRECIATE THIS AND I
ALSO APPRECIATE OTHER EFFORTS
TO STREAMLINE LEADING AND AT
SOME POINT WE HAVE CITIES WHO
SAY WELL YOU'RE TAKING LOCAL
CONTROL SOME OF MY RESPONSE
TO THAT HAS BEEN CITIES IF YOU
ARE CREATING THE PROBLEM IF
YOU'RE SLOWING IT DOWN IF THE
PUBLIC GOOD IS HELD CAPTIVE TO
PERHAPS SOME -- BUREAUCRATIC
AND REGULATORY CIRCUMSTANCES
IN A IN A IN A CITY DON'T BE
SURPRISED IF WE COME ALONG AND
SAY YOU GOT A BETTER THAN THAT
BECAUSE PERMITTING SHOULD I
HONESTLY IN THIS TECHNOLOGICAL
AGE THIS IS EASY TO DO IT AB
SAFE -- AND IT CAN BE DONE AT
AT YOU KNOW AT THE COUNTER WITH
THE PUSH OF A BUTTON -- AND I
APPRECIATE IT I I I AND I HOPE
WE SEE MORE EFFORTS LIKE THIS
TO BASICALLY SAY -- WE GIVE YOU
THE CHANCE ALL RIGHT I BELIEVE
IN LOCAL CONTROL BUT IF THAT
LOCAL CONTROL IS ESSENTIALLY
-- YOU KNOW CHOKING OFF
INNOVATION AND QUICK TURNAROUND
FOR INDIVIDUALS BURKE AND
FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO
THINGS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS
IN THEIR COMMUNITIES THAT
PERMITTING PROCESS OUGHT TO BE
QUICK ONLINE -- AND -- READILY
APPROVED IF NOT MISTER LEE
APPROVED THANK -- I'LL JUST
MAKE A COMMENT THE LEAGUE OF
CITIES HAS BECOME MUCH BETTER
AT NEGOTIATING THEY USED TO
BASICALLY OPPOSE ANYTHING LIKE
BUT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO BUT
THE NETWORK COMPUTING AND NOW
THEY SAY YOU KNOW MAYBE WE CAN
WORK WITH THE AUTHOR GET WHAT
WE WANT TO GET A BETTER BILL
AND THEY'RE DOING THAT AND I
HAD COMPLAINED TO THEM ABOUT
THIS AND THEY GOT THEIR NEW
PRESIDENT I THINK SHE HAS MADE
A REAL DIFFERENCE AND -- WE'RE
VERY GRATEFUL SO -- ANY OTHER
COMMENTS REQUEST FOR A VOTE ALL
RIGHT THEN THE MAN SECRETARY
CALDERON ITEM NUMBER NINE S.
B.
THREE SEVEN NINE THE MOTION
IS DUE PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
EDUARDO GARCIA PATTERSON
PATTERSON AYE BARRICADE
HAND CARILLO CHEN CHEN I
CUNNINGHAM CRISTINA GARCIA
CRISTINA GARCIA AYE GIPSON
GIPSON AYE HOLDEN MAIS MAYES
AYE MURATSUCHI AYE MURATSUCHI
AYE CORK AYE QUIRK AYE REYES
REYES ICE SANTIAGO KING
THAT'S EIGHT ZERO KEEP IT
OPEN OKAY VERY GOOD THANK
YOU SENATOR AND I SEE
CENTER CABALLERO IS COME
IN SO THIS IS OUR LAST BILL
SECOND THANK YOU OF GREAT
YOU
OKAY CENTER IT'S GOOD TO SEE
YOU THIS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE S.
B.
ELEVEN OH NINE CABALLERO
CALIFORNIA RENEWABLES PORTFOLIO
STANDARD PROGRAM BIOENERGY
PROJECTS PLEASE GO AHEAD THANK
YOU MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS I'M
PLEASED TO PRESENT S.
B.
ELEVEN OH NINE WHICH WILL
INCREASE THE PACE AND SCALE OF
THE REMOVAL OF DEAD OR DYING
TREES JUST FOREST WASTE FROM
CALIFORNIA'S BURN AREAS AND
ECOLOGICALLY STRESSED FORESTS
AS WELL AS AGRICULTURAL WASTE
AND MOVE THAT MATERIAL ON
DEMAND TO A BENEFICIAL REUSE
FACILITY IN ORDER TO CREATE
ELECTRICITY FIRST I WILL
BE ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENT
OUTLINED IN THE ANALYSIS AND I
KNOW THAT I AM ALSO COMMITTED
AND KNOW THAT I'M I'M ALSO
COMMITTED TO KEEPING COSTS
DOWN FOR RATE PAYERS THE
RESEARCH MY OFFICE HAS DONE
SHOWS THE CONTRACT EXTENSIONS
ON THIS BILL WILL ONLY AMOUNT
TO PENNIES PER MONTH PER
CUSTOMER WHICH I THINK IS
A SMALL COST FOR THE PUBLIC
BENEFIT CALIFORNIANS RECEIVED
BY FITTING OUR FOREST I'M
TAKING READ -- RICH ARE GETTING
RID OF THAT DEAD WASTE AND --
PROCESSING HIGH HAZARD ZONE
WASTE I HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED A
BUDGET REQUEST TO ACCOMPANY THE
COST ASSOCIATED WITH BIOMASS
PRODUCTION AND WASTE TENT
TRANSPORTATION IN AN EFFORT
TO SHIFT COST AND AS THAT AS A
SIDE NOTE -- THE -- GOVERNOR'S
OFFICE HAS -- BEEN IN CONTACT
WITH WITH EXPERTS ESTIMATE
WE'RE GOING TO BE BETWEEN
FOURTEEN TO SEVENTEEN HUNDRED
MEGAWATTS SHORT OF ENERGY THIS
SUMMER AND -- CONTENT WELL
IT'S NOT POTENTIALLY THAT WE
COULD SEE BROWN A BLACKOUT
SENT WHICH WILL -- YOU KNOW
PEOPLE THINK SIX DOLLARS AN
HOUR GAS IS BAD THAT'S GOING
TO BE REALLY REALLY BAD -- SO
-- ADDITIONALLY I'M GRATEFUL
TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR
COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH MY STAFF SO WE CAN
ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED BEST
AVAILABLE RETROFIT RETROFIT
CONTROL TECHNOLOGY AMENDMENT
DOES NOT DEFEAT THE PURPOSE
OF THE BILL CAN CAUSE THE
PLANTS TO SHUT DOWN THANK YOU
FOR THAT AND NOW I'M BACK TO
THE BILL AND HANDS THERE'S AN
ESTIMATED A HUNDRED B.
B.
T.'S BONE DRY TONS OF FIRE
KILLED FOREST WOULD WASTE IN
CALIFORNIA LEAVING EXCESS FORCE
WASTE AN OVERGROWTH MATERIAL
IN THE STATE'S ECOLOGICALLY
STRESS BORIS LEAVE THEM IN
A HIGH RISK OF MASSIVELY
DESTRUCTIVE WHERE WILDFIRES
IMPEDES A FUNCTION OF WATERSHED
DIMINISHES WILDLIFE HABITAT AND
EMITS CARBON DIOXIDE INTO THE
ENVIRONMENT THINGS WE'VE BEEN
SAYING FOR THE PAST NUMBER OF
YEARS THIS WOULD WASTE DECAYS
AND ACCELERATE GHG EMISSIONS
WE CAN BE PROACTIVE AND
PROTECT OUR FORESTS AND NEARBY
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES BY
REMOVING THIS FUEL AND PROCESS
SAID BIOMASS FACILITY OR WE CAN
WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT WILDFIRE
BURNS IT AWAIT NEGATING ANY
EMISSION REDUCTIONS THAT
COULD BE GAINED BY MASSES
NOT ONLY A PRACTICAL SOLUTION
TO OUR DEAD AND DYING TREE
PROBLEM BUT IT OFFER OFFERS
MULTIPLE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS
RENEWABLE BIOMASS ENERGY
PRODUCTION HELPS LOCAL ERR ERR
DISTRICTS COMPLY WITH FEDERAL
AIR QUALITY STANDARDS BY
REDUCING EMISSIONS OF CRITERIA
POLLUTANTS BY PREVENTING OPEN
BURNING OF ONE POINT FIVE
MILLION TONS OF AGRICULTURAL
AND FORESTRY RESIDUES EACH YEAR
BIOMASS PLANTS CUT CRITERIA
POLLUTANTS BY UP TO NINETY
EIGHT PERCENT COMPARED WITH
OPEN BURNING AND THE -- THE
AIR DISTRICTS HAVE MANDATED
THAT STARTING IN TWENTY TWENTY
FIVE THERE WILL BE NO MORE
AGRICULTURAL OPEN AIR BURNING
WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD THING
-- I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT
TO HAPPEN FOR A LONG TIME IN
THE AGRICULTURE SECTOR -- IN
TWENTY SEVENTEEN APPROXIMATELY
SIX TIMES PER DAY OF PM TWO
POINT FIVE FINE PARTICULATE
MATTER WERE PRODUCED BY AN
OPEN AGRICULTURAL BURKE BY OPEN
AGRICULTURE BURNING STATEWIDE
THESE EMISSIONS ARE SIGNIFICANT
NOT ONLY BECAUSE THEY TOWARD
ATTEMPTS TO MEET AIR QUALITY
STANDARDS BUT FOR THEIR
IMPACTS ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES
CONVERTING AGRICULTURE MATERIAL
TO BIOMASS POWER GENERATION IS
SUSTAIN SUSTAINABLE AND IT'S
AN ALTERNATIVE TO OPEN AIR
BURNING ADDITIONALLY IT SAYS
AS I SAID IT'S ESTIMATED THAT
WE'RE GONNA NEED THIS EXTRA
ENERGY DURING THE SUMMER -- AND
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ADD TO
THE GRANT IS GOING TO BE REALLY
IMPORTANT TO THIS END S.
B.
ELEVEN OH NINE WILL EXTEND
EXISTING BIRAM CONTRACTS FOR
ANOTHER FIVE YEARS AND NEW
CONTRACTS WOULD HAVE A FIVE
TO FIFTEEN YEAR TIME FRAME
AS PROPOSED TO BE AMENDED THE
BILL REQUIRES ANY BIOMASS PLANT
IT WITH A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT
TO SATISFY AIR AIR QUALITY
REQUIREMENTS AS I SAID IN
ORDER TO MEET THE EMISSIONS
REDUCTION REQUIREMENTS DEEMED
RELEVANT AND REASONABLE --
HERE TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT
OR JUDY MALINOWSKI BALL
FROM THE CALIFORNIA BIOMASS
ENERGY ALLIANCE AND MATT
DÍAS PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE
CALIFORNIA FORESTRY ASSOCIATION
THANK YOU JULIE ABOUT ASK ABOUT
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
BIOMASS ENERGY ALLIANCE -- I'M
HERE TO TESTIFY TODAY TO LET
YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE VOTING
TODAY TO APPROVE A PROGRAM
FOR FIVE MORE YEARS THAT IS
CURRENTLY WORKING THIS IS
EXACTLY WHAT GOVERNOR BROWN
ENVISIONED WHEN HE ASKED THE P.
YOU SEE TO ESTABLISH THIS
PROGRAM WE HAVE BIOENERGY
FACILITIES THAT ARE TAKING HIGH
PRIORITY HIGH PERCENTAGES OF
HIGH PRIORITY FORCE MATERIAL
EVERY DAY THEY ARE TAKING LINE
CLEARING VEGETATION MANAGEMENT
FIRE PREVENTION ACTIVITIES FUEL
REDUCTION MATERIAL MATERIAL
THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
HAS DEFINED AS BEING INSURED
THAT YOU DON'T LEAVE IT ON
THE FOREST FLOOR THAT YOU GET
RID OF IT AND SEND IT TO THE
BENEFICIAL REUSE PROJECT ALL
THE FACILITIES AS PREVIOUSLY
MENTIONED ARE EQUIPPED WITH
THE -- OF EMISSIONS CONTROL
TECHNOLOGY THAT REDUCING
EMISSIONS UP TO NINETY EIGHT
PERCENT THIS BILL DOES NOT
EXTEND ANY CONTRACTS THAT
ARE AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES OR IN THE CENTRAL
VALLEY SB NINE OH ONE WHICH IS
A BILL MANY OF YOU VOTED ON A
NUMBER OF YEARS AGO ENSURE THAT
ALREADY -- AND BECAUSE THIS
IS AN ENERGY COMMITTEE BILL
SO WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE
FACT THAT THESE ARE BASELOAD
RENEWABLE RESOURCES EXTENDING
THIS PROGRAM ALSO SAYS THAT
YOU COUPLE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE
BASELOAD RENEWABLE RESOURCES
ONLINE THAT FOLLOWING SHAPE
THE LOW THAT HELP BALANCE OUT
OTHER RESOURCES -- AND HELP
MEET THE NEEDS OF THE GRANT SO
STANDING FOR FIVE MORE YEARS
PROVIDES AN OUTLET FOR THIS
FORCE MATERIAL WHILE GIVING
YOU FLEXIBLE BASELOAD RENEWABLE
RESOURCES DOING IT THE MOST
ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY WAY
POSSIBLE WE URGE AND I FELT
GOOD AFTERNOON IDEAS PRESENT
THE CALIFORNIA FORESTRY
ASSOCIATION AND -- CALIFORNIA
REPRESENTS THREE POINT FIVE
MILLION ACRES OF WELL MANAGED
FOREST LANDS ACROSS THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA AND THE FIRST
THING I WANT TO SAY IS I WANT
TO I THINK I CENTER CABRIO FOR
LEADING INTO THIS DIFFICULT
POLICY ISSUE I KNOW IT IS
A CHALLENGING ISSUE YET IT
IS IMPERATIVE AS IT RELATES
TO THE WILDFIRE CRISIS THAT
WE'RE STATE THAT THAT WE'RE
FACING KERN IN CALIFORNIA WHEN
WE THINK OF BIOMASS IN THE
FORESTRY SECTOR IT'S ACTUALLY A
MATERIAL NOT A PROCESS RIGHT SO
WE'RE LOOKING AT AREALA RESIDUE
THAT IS GENERATED AS A RESULT
OF FOREST MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES
IN THIS IN TODAY'S WORLD
DISPOSITIVE TWO CATEGORIES
PREVENTION WILDFIRE PREVENTION
AS WELL AS REFORESTATION FOREST
MANAGEMENT WORKS AS A WILDFIRE
PREVENTION TOOL IT WORKS BETTER
IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO DISPOSE OF THE MATERIAL
THAT IS GENERATED FROM THOSE
ACTIVITIES -- IN OUR IN THE
SPACE OF REFORESTATION THIS
IS AN EMERGING ISSUE WHERE
THERE CALIFORNIA MEMBERS HAVE
LOST A PER TO THREE HUNDRED
THOUSAND ACRES DUE TO WILDFIRE
OF THE COURSE THE LAST COUPLE
YEARS THAT MEANS WE HAVE THREE
HUNDRED THOUSAND ACRES IT NEEDS
TO BE REINFORCED IT AGAIN WHEN
WE LOOK AT RE FORCING ACRES WE
WANT TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THE
MATURITY IS MAJORITY OF THE
MATERIAL THAT IS THAT THAT HAS
RESULTED FROM WILDFIRES SO THAT
WE HAVE RESILIENT HE HAS PROVED
THAT WOULD FORCE OF AREAS THAT
HAVE BEEN TREATED WHEN I THINK
OF BIOMASS AS A PROFESSIONAL
FORESTER YOU TIED DIRECTLY TO
RESILIENCY WITHOUT THE REMOVAL
DISPOSAL BIOMASS YOU DO NOT
ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL
OF RESILIENCY THAT YOU COULD
POSSIBLY ACHIEVE SO WE URGE
A STRONG -- I STRONGLY URGE
AND I VOTE TODAY TO SUPPORT SB
NINE ELEVEN OH NINE IN THANK
YOU CENTER FOR THE WORK ON
THIS EFFORT THANK YOU -- THOSE
IN SUPPORT PLEASE COME FOR
THOSE IN THE ROOM AND SUPPORT
PLEASE COME FORWARD YEAH MISTER
JERRY REMEMBER SCOTT WHICH
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
COALITION OF UTILITY EMPLOYEES
IN STRONG SUPPORT THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR CHRIS MCKINLEY ON
BEHALF OF HUMBLE AND MENDOCINO
REDWOOD COMPANY IS ALSO IN
STRONG SUPPORT THANK YOU ARE
GOOD MISTER CHAIRMAN ERIK
KARLSSON -- WITH THE PEOPLE
WHO DO THE WORK ASSOCIATED
CALIFORNIA LOGGERS AND SMALL
SUPPORT STRUCTURE THANK YOU
HE'S A BIG MAN -- OKAY NOW
THOSE IN THE ROOM WHO WISH
TO COME UP AND IF THERE IS
SOMEONE WHO WISHES TO BE
THE PRIMARY OPPONENT TAKEN
COME AND SIT NEXT TO THE
OUR PRIMARY POPE OPPONENTS
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND
MEMBERS DANIEL BROUGHT
ON BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB
CALIFORNIA IN OPPOSITION TO S.
B.
ELEVEN OH NINE THIS BILL WOULD
EXTEND THE BIO RAM PROGRAM
WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC FOR
THREE MAJOR REASONS FIRST THE
BIOMASS FACILITIES COVERED IN
THE BIRAM PROGRAM ARE DECADES
OLD INCINERATORS THEY'RE NOT
THE NEW FANGLED LOWER EMITTING
A BIOENERGY TECHNOLOGIES
WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IN RECENT
YEARS SUCH AS IN THE LAWRENCE
LIVERMORE LAB REPORT BIRAM
FACILITIES ARE CONVENTIONAL
INCINERATORS THAT BURNED WHAT
CHIPS IS FUEL AND EMIT LARGE
AMOUNTS OF CO TWO SMOG FORMING
KNOCKS AND FINE PARTICULATE
MATTER THEY ALSO REQUIRE
TRANSPORTATION OF BIOMASS
TO THE FACILITIES ON DIESEL
TRUCKS WHICH IS ALSO OBVIOUSLY
A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF GHG
AND CRITERIA POLLUTION SECOND
WE STILL DO BELIEVE THAT THE
BY AROUND PROGRAM UNDER THIS
BILL COULD ALLOW FOR BIOMASS
INCINERATORS IN -- OVERBURDENED
COMMUNITIES TO RECEIVE NEW
CONTRACTS THIS IS BECAUSE THE
LANGUAGE THAT WAS PASSED IN
SB NINE A ONE PREVENTS BIRAM
FACILITIES FROM -- RECEIVING
CONTRACT EXTENSIONS HOWEVER SAY
A NUMBER OF BIRAM FACILITIES
GO OFFLINE FOR WHATEVER REASON
THEY GO BANKRUPT AND CAN'T GET
NEW CONTRACTS THAT COULD OPEN
UP NEW MEGAWATTS AVAILABLE FOR
USE AND -- THE FACILITY AND THE
CENTRAL VALLEY COULD RECEIVE
A NEW CONTRACT THIRD THE BIRAM
PROGRAM CURRENTLY DOES NOT
SOLVE THE PROGRAM THAT EX THAT
PROBLEMS THAT EXIST TO SOLVE SO
EXTENDING THIS PROGRAM DOESN'T
MAKE SENSE UNDER THE BIRAM
PROGRAM RATEPAYER SUBSIDIZED
BIOMASS PLANTS BASED ON THE
PREMISE THAT THEY DISPOSE OF
BY MASS THAT WAS REMOVED FROM
THE FORCE TO COMBAT WILDFIRES
OR JUST TO REMOVE DEAD TREES
HOWEVER TO COUNT TOWARDS
THE BIRAM FUEL REQUIREMENTS
TREES ONLY NEED TO COME OUT
OF SUBSTANCE EXPANSIVELY
DEFINED REGIONS KNOWN AS HIGH
HAZARD SOUNDS WHICH ENCOMPASS
ESSENTIALLY TWO THIRDS OF THE
STATE TREES DO NOT NEED TO HAVE
BEEN DEAD NOR DID THEY NEED TO
HAVE BEEN REMOVED PREVENT WHAT
WILDFIRE NOR DID THEY NEED TO
BE REMOVED TO PROTECT HOMES
ARE INFRASTRUCTURE AS A RESULT
FACILITY SEEK THE CHEAPEST
PATTERSON FEEL WHICH IS LIKELY
COMMERCIAL LOGGING WASTE THAT
HAPPEN TO BE REMOVED FROM AREAS
THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS HIGH
HAZARD SOUNDS TYPICALLY NEAREST
TO THE CELL WITHOUT MORE NARROW
FIELD REQUIREMENTS THE BIRAM
PROGRAMS LARGELY BENEFITS
PRIVATE LOGGING COMPANIES AND
BIO ENERGY COMPANIES AT THE
EXPENSE OF RATE PAYERS S.
B.
ELEVEN OH NINE WOULD NEGATIVELY
IMPACT THEIR CLIMB AND
COMMUNITIES ALL WITHOUT FIXING
THE PROBLEMS THAT CURRENTLY
EXIST BUT THE BY AROUND PROGRAM
FOR THESE REASONS WE MUST
OPPOSE THE BILL THANK YOU THANK
YOU SIR -- ALL RIGHT ANYONE
ELSE IN THE ROOM IN OPPOSITION
VERY GOOD -- WE WILL NOW GO
TO THE LINES FOR THOSE WHO
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION TWO S.
B.
ELEVEN OH NINE COUPLE GYRO
YOU ARE IN SUPPORT
OR OPPOSITION TO F.
B.
ELEVEN OH NINE PLEASE PRESS
ONE NOT THEN ZERO LINE ONE
EIGHTEEN YOUR LINE IS OPEN
ONE ONE EIGHT CHARRON MEMBERS
ALICIA PRIEGO ON BEHALF OF
THE AMERICAN FOREST FOUNDATION
AND TRUMP THE COURT AND
THAT THE ELEVEN OH NINE
LINE ONE THIRTY YOUR LINE
IS OPEN LINE ONE THIRTY GOOD
AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS
OF ANNA CARBAJAL ELLIOT
CALLING ON BEHALF OF GREED
OUR INSTRUCTOR THANK YOU
NINE SEVENTY EIGHT YOUR LINE
IS OPEN SEVENTY EIGHT WELL
TURN MEMBERS AND THEIR PRINTER
COOPER WITH THE CENTRAL
VALLEY AIR QUALITY COALITION
AND CONSTITUENTS US SENATOR
CABALLERO IN MADERA CALIFORNIA
IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU
NINE ONE THIRTEEN YOUR LINE IS
OPEN ONE THIRTEEN AND I LOOK
AT YOUR NUMBERS I'M ACCURATE
DAMPEN ADVISORS ON BEHALF
OF THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC POWER AUTHORITY WE JUST
LIKE TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR
WORKING WITH FACT THAT ARE
HAPPY TO REMOVE OUR OPPOSITION
BASED ON THE JUNE TWENTY AT
THE MOMENT THANK YOU SO MUCH
LINE ONE THIRTY THREE YOUR
LINE IS OPEN ONE THIRTY THREE
MEDICARE MEMBERS BRIAN WHITE
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
LICENSE FORESTERS ASSOCIATION
AND THE FORCE LANDOWNERS OF
CALIFORNIA ALSO IN SUPPORT
THANK YOU NINE FIFTY NINE YOUR
LINE IS OPEN FIFTY NINE HI
THIS IS DAN KANSI ON BEHALF
OF PACIFIC CULTURE POWER
CHINESE STATION BEHALF OF RIO
BRAVO FRESNO AND ON BEHALF
OF RIO BRAVO ROCKLIN AND ALSO
ON BEHALF OF AYE H.
AYE POWER SERVICES GROUP
-- IN STRONG SUPPORT
HI MY AND ONE TWENTY ONE
YOUR LINE IS OPEN ONE
TWENTY ONE GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR MEMBERS CARLOS TEARS
ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN
PISTACHIO GROWERS CALIFORNIA
FRESH FRUIT ASSOCIATION THE
CALIFORNIA RICE COMMISSION
AND OTHER AG INDUSTRY LEADERS
IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL
NINE ONE ZERO EIGHT YOUR
LINE IS OPEN ONE AWAIT
HI THIS IS BEVERLY DISTILLATE
ELECTRIC VEHICLE ASSOCIATION
CENTRAL COAST I NEED TO MAKE
A STATEMENT HERE THAT THIS
CONSTANT THREAT OF THAT THE
GREAT DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH
ELECTRICITY -- CONCERNS ME
THAT IT'S BEING USED IN SO
MANY WAYS HI THAT'S FINE --
BUT SO YOU'RE OPPOSED -- GIVE
ME YOUR NAME AND ORGANIZATION
AND THAT'S IT OKAY DEFINITELY
DO SO LAST WEEK THE CLOSEST
STATION CENTRAL COAST CHAPTER
THANK YOU I MIGHT WANT TWENTY
FOUR YOUR LINE IS OPEN ONE
TWENTY FOUR BRAIN GROUP
SHASTA SUSTAINABLE RESOURCE
MANAGEMENT AND ANDERSON
CALIFORNIA BUSH STRONG SUPPORT
AND AT THIS TIME THERE ARE NO
OTHER LINES IN Q.
ALL RIGHT MISTER CHAIRMAN
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIRS WANT
TO SAY I THINK THIS IS A
GREAT BILL CENTER THANK YOU
SO MUCH BRINGS UP -- I THINK
-- MAL MASSES -- REPORTING
PARTY MAKE SURE THE GREATEST
BALANCE I AM CURIOUS HOWEVER
IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE GREAT
SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE GOT ONE OF
THEM BEING I GUESS I HAVEN'T
HEARD ENOUGH OF MISTER SCOTT
WATCH WHY IS IT THAT LINEMEN
ELECTRICITY'S ARE IN SUPPORT
OF THIS BILL I JUST WANTED TO
HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF
THIS YES A MEMBER THANK YOU --
THERE'S NOT ONE UNION JOB AT A
BIOMASS FACILITY IN CALIFORNIA
THAT'S NOT WHY WE SUPPORT THE
BILL WE ARE CUTTING A MASSIVE
AMOUNT OF VEGETATION DOING
LINE CLEARANCE WORK TODAY IN
PG&AMP;E SERVICE TERRITORY I'VE
GOT FIVE THOUSAND WORKERS OUT
THERE TODAY JUST CLEARING A
CUTTING AND THEY'RE JUST PILING
IT INTO BIG PILES BECAUSE IT
SOLVES THE DANGER OF OF NGUYEN
BREAKING A BRANCH OFF AND
HITTING A WIRE BUT THERE'S NO
PLACE TO PUT IT SO IT JUST SITS
THERE AND DEGRADES RELEASING
CARBON AND CREATING A FIRE
HAZARD BUT THAT'S NOT THE
CONCERN OF THE UTILITY SIDE
GOING OUT ON THESE JOBS IN THE
FOREST AND THE AMOUNT OF THIS
-- DEBRIS THAT IS JUST IS JUST
NOT IN IN IN RURAL AREAS IT'S
IN SUBURBAN DISTRICTS WERE
DOING LINE CLEARS JUST PILING
UP AND IT'S GOING TO BE A
DISASTER AND SO WE NEED BIOMASS
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO
GO THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR
ALL RIGHT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
WHAT ARE MISPERCEIVED G.
THANK YOU -- FOR THE SIERRA
CLUB -- ONE OF THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS IS TO REQUIRE BARKS
REQUIREMENTS -- TO APPLY TO
TO ALL CONTRACT EXTENSIONS
-- DID DOES THAT TO WHY WHY
WHY DOES THAT NOT ADDRESS THE
LOCAL AIR POLLUTION CONCERNS
-- PARKED -- ARE PART AT
LEAST SOME A MISSION CONTROLS
BUT THEY DON'T TOTALLY DEAL
WITH -- DON'T TOTALLY DEAL
WITH EMISSIONS COMPLETELY
SO MANY OF THESE FACILITIES
ARE COMPLIANT WITH OUR BEST
AVAILABLE EMISSION CONTROLS
BUT THEY'RE STILL POLLUTING --
AND CAN BE NEAR COMMUNITIES SO
THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED I THANK
YOU ALL RIGHT MATTER MAJORITY
LEADER DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION
COMMENT I REMEMBER WHEN WE
WERE GOING THROUGH SB NINE OH
ONE AND THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT
THAT CAME UP AND -- THE IT'S
SOMETHING THAT YOU MENTIONED
ABOUT THE TRAVEL TO AND FROM
TAKING THE THE THE THE MATERIAL
OUT DO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS
IN THE COMING BACK AND ALL OF
THOSE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED --
THE IS OF CONCERN ALSO THE COST
IS OF CONCERN BUT I DO THINK
THAT THAT THAT THAT -- THERE
ARE TIMES WHEN WE DO HAVE TO
MAKE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS
BECAUSE SOMETHING HAS TO BE
DONE SO I PROJECT THAT THE THE
COMMENTS -- ABOUT THE FACT THAT
WOULD BE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO
SOMETHING -- THIS IS ONE OF
THOSE OPTIONS IT'S AVAILABLE
-- BUT I I DO THANK YOU FOR FOR
THE COMMENTS AND FOR REMINDING
US THAT WILL BE PASSED NINE OH
ONE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS
CONSIDERED AND IT WAS SOMETHING
THAT WE REJECTED AT THAT TIME
OKAY ANYONE ELSE FROM SO IF
WE DON'T ALLOW THIS TO BURN
AND WE JUST LEAVE IT IN THE
FOREST IS THAT THE SOLUTION
YOU WANT OR IS THERE SOMETHING
ELSE SO I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE ACTUALLY
SEPARATE -- THE TYPES OF FUEL
THAT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
-- I I BELIEVE A SUBSTANTIAL
AMOUNT OF THAT THAT FUEL OR
WHAT THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE
FOREST IS COMMERCIAL LOGGING
WASTE AND I DON'T THINK
THAT THAT FUEL SHOULD BE THE
PUBLIC'S RESPONSIBILITY TO
DEAL WITH THIS IS A LOT OF
IT IS WASTE THAT'S GENERATED
TO MAKE -- YOU KNOW BLOCKERS
MONEY OR TO MAKE FARMERS MONEY
AND WE SHOULD BE B.
REQUIRING THOSE INDUSTRIES TO
FIGURE OUT A LOWER IMPACT THING
TO DO WITH THAT THAT THE PUBLIC
DOESN'T PAY FOR -- AND SO THAT
WOULD BE MY FIRST RESPONSE
WE SHOULD SEPARATE THE TYPES
OF WASTE FOR TALKING ABOUT
SECONDLY THERE ARE A NUMBER
OF -- WORKING GROUP'S THEIR
BIOMASS UTILIZATION WORKING
GROUP'S GOING OUT THE BORDER
FORESTRY AT THEIR RESOURCES
BOARD THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT
ARE LOOKING AT LOWER EMITTING
CLEANER TECHNOLOGIES AND AT
THE END OF THE DAY IF WE KEEP
THESE BIOMASS FACILITIES THAT
ARE OLD AND POLLUTING OPEN
-- WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET
TO THESE CLEAN TECHNOLOGIES
BECAUSE WE'RE NEVER GONNA
AT THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE
INCENTIVE ENOUGH TO MOVE AWAY
FROM -- FROM THE X.
WHAT'S EXISTENCE OKAY SO ARM
I CAN AGREE WITH YOUR POINT IS
JUST THIS SUMMER WE DON'T HAVE
GOOD ALTERNATIVE BUT YOU'RE
RIGHT WE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING
FOR EXAMPLE THAT I HAVEN'T
LOOKED INTO THE CASE OF OF
OF FORESTRY WASTE -- BUT UP
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW
I WOULD SUGGEST YOU WORK WITH
A LEGISLATOR NEXT YEAR YOU
WORK WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION IN THE ENERGY
COMMISSION UNTIL VELOP THESE
NEWER TECHNOLOGIES AND -- YOU
KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT BUT THEY'RE
NOT AVAILABLE THIS SUMMER NEXT
SUMMER SO -- AND AGAIN I'M NOT
GOING TO ADDRESS AND I DON'T
THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS HERE
THE QUESTION OF WHO PAYS BUT
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD WORK
ON AGAIN NEXT YEAR ARM WOULD GO
UP PROFESSOR WELL I JUST WANTED
WRESTLING WITH THAT BECAUSE I
READ THE SIERRA CLUB LETTER IN
ADVANCE OF THE HEARING AND HAD
CONCERNS AROUND WHAT YOU WERE
SAYING WHICH WAS WITH US A LONG
WAY SINCE I ASK THE SENATOR'S
OFFICE THE QUESTION AND THEY
GAVE ME ACTUALLY VERY PRECISE
DATA ON THE QUESTION AND SAID
SIXTY FIVE PERCENT COMES FROM
LINE CLEARING AS WE HEARD FROM
MR WATCH THIRTY PERCENT COMES
FROM FIRE SALVAGE PRESENT
PREVENTION AND FIVE PERCENT
COMES FROM COMMERCIAL LOGGING
SO THAT GAVE ME GREAT COMFORT
I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT
WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF
CLARIFYING THAT WE SHOULD BE
PRIORITIZING OR SOLELY TAKING I
ACTUALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE THESE
PROGRAMS NEED TO TAKE LONG AND
IT SEEMS LIKE FISCALLY THAT'S
NOT NECESSARY GIVEN THAT IT'S
FIVE PERCENT OF WHAT'S BEING
TAKEN BUT GIVEN THE STATE I
FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THIS IS
ADDRESSING WHAT IS BEEN SAID
HERE TODAY WITHOUT ALWAYS
SPORTING EXCELLENT POINT THANK
YOU THANK YOU -- GREAT THANK
YOU ANY OTHER COMMENTS R.
I.
H.
-- YOU MAY CLOSE BY THANK
YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION
AND FOR THE REALLY GOOD
QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR
ANSWERING THE QUESTION FOR
ME IT SAVED ME FROM HAVING
TO DO THAT AND -- I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I.
BOOK TODAY ALL RIGHT --
SO I'M GOING TO VOTE I THE
CHAIR SUGGESTS OF A VOTE OF
APPOINTED RECOMMENDS A VOTE OF
ON MY ARM WE JUST DON'T HAVE
A LOT OF ALTERNATIVES BUT --
THE SIERRA CLUB POINTS ARE
WELL TAKEN SO THANK YOU --
MADAM SECRETARY CALL THE ROLL
ITEM NUMBER ONE S.
B.
ELEVEN OH NINE TO PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
EDUARDO GARCIA PATTERSON
PATTERSON AYE BARRICADING
ON FIRE QUE HAN I CARILLO
CARILLO AYE CHAN CHAN I
CUNNINGHAM CRISTINA GARCIA
GIPSON HOLDEN MAYES --
SEARCHING UP BY RESEARCHING NOT
VOTING CORK HI CLERK I.
REYES REYES I SANTIAGO SANTIAGO
I EIGHTEEN CHAIN NOT VOTING
ISN'T THAT SEVEN ZERO OKAY
THANK YOU VERY MUCH SENATOR
AND WILL NOW -- START --
TAKING THE ROLE ON -- BILLS IN
WHATEVER ORDER THE COMMITTEE
OUR SECRETARY THINKS IS
APPROPRIATE OKAY WE'LL GO OVER
THAT COULD SET FILE ITEM NUMBER
THREE SB EIGHT THREE THREE
ITEM NUMBER SIX S.
B.
FOURTEEN THIRTY
TWO BARRICADE CAN R.
K.
HAN I I AM CARILLO I CUNNINGHAM
HOLDEN REYES REYES I SANTIAGO
SANTIAGO I CHIANG THIS IS
THE CONSENT FILE KING I
THAT'S THIRTEEN ZERO WILL KEEP
IT OPEN THIS ITEM NUMBER TWO SB
THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE DO PASSED
AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
BARRICADE HAND YES -- QUE
HANNAH VOTING CARILLO CARILLO
I CUNNINGHAM CRISTINA GARCIA
HOLDEN REYES REYES I SANTIAGO
SANTIAGO I CHIANG EIGHTEEN I
THAT'S ELEVEN ZERO WILL
KEEP IT OPEN I AM NUMBER
FOUR SB FIVE TO NINE DO
PASTOR APPROPRIATIONS PARA
QUE HAN BURGER K.
HANNAH I CARILLO CARILLO
I CUNNINGHAM HOLDEN
REYES REYES I SANTIAGO
SANTIAGO I CHIANG CHANG I
THAT'S TWELVE ZERO
WILL KEEP IT OPEN
ITEM NUMBER FIVE SB FIVE NINE
NINE DO PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
BARRICADE HAND THERE QUE
HAN AYE CHAN CHAN NOT VOTING
CUNNINGHAM HOLDEN REYES REYES
I SANTIAGO I'M SORRY AT THIS
IS SB FIVE NINE NINE QUESTION
SANTIAGO I CHIANG TANG I
THAT'S TWELVE ZERO WILL KEEP IT
OPEN ITEM NUMBER SEVEN S.
B.
TEN SIXTY THREE DO PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS PARA QUE
HAN BURKE QUE HAN AYE CHAN
CHAN NO CUNNINGHAM HOLDEN
REYES REYES ICE SANTIAGO
SANTIAGO I EIGHTEEN CHIANG I
THAT'S ELEVEN TO WILL KEEP
IT OPEN HI I'M NUMBER EIGHT
SB TEN TWENTY SIX DO PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS BARRICADE
HAN THERE QUE HANNAH VOTING
CARILLO CARRILLO AYE CHAN
CHEN NOW CUNNINGHAM CRISTINA
GARCIA HOLDEN REYES REYES
I SANTIAGO SANTIAGO I TING
TING I OKAY THAT'S EIGHT
THREE WILL KEEP IT OPEN
ITEM NUMBER NINE SB THREE SEVEN
NINE DO PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
EDUARDO GARCIA PARA QUE HAN --
QUE HAN I'D CARILLO CARRILLO
I CUNNINGHAM HOLDEN SANTIAGO
SANTIAGO I CHIANG KING I
THAT'S TWELVE ZERO
WILL KEEP IT OPEN
SHE IT TWELFTH NIGHT
YEAH
ALL THE BILLS ARE OUT EXCEPT
CABRERA'S FAIL -- AND WE'RE
WAITING FOR MR HOLDEN AND
MISTER CHAIR TO GET BACK I
WILL WAIT FOR FIFTEEN MINUTES
ARM AND THEN I HAVE TO GO --
I'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY HONEST
BUT I I HAVE A LIMIT SO LET'S
GET MR HOLDEN AND MISTER CHAIR
HERE SO WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER
OR NOT THAT LAST BILL GETS OUT
THANKS FOR THE
-- MISTER CUNNINGHAM
AS WELL THANK YOU
THANK YOU WE'RE GONNA
TAKE A SHORT RECESS FOR
THE NEXT TEN TO FIFTEEN
MINUTES HE WILL COME BACK
ALSO RECESSES HOW YEAH --
THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOING TO
NEED TO YEAH I RESPECTFULLY
SAID WE'RE NOT GOING
THE COMMITTEES NOW BACK IN
SESSION I REMEMBER ONE S.
B.
ELEVEN OH NINE DO PASSES A
MINUTE APPROPRIATIONS HI MAYES
HI THAT'S EIGHT ZERO THAT
BUILT ITS EIGHT ZERO THAT
BILLS OUT OKAY THE CONSENT FILE
BUT I NEED TO GO TO ALL THAT'S
ITEM NUMBER THREE AND ITEM
NUMBER SIX THAT THOSE WHERE
WE ARE THE FUNDING TO SAY WHAT
THEY ARE THIRTEEN EIGHT S.
B.
EIGHT THIRTY THREE THIRTEEN
ZERO THE TACITLY FOURTEEN
THIRTY TWO THIRTEEN
ZERO THOSE BILLS ARE OUT
HEY WE DID ITEM ONE
ITEM NUMBER TWO S.
B.
THIRTEEN EIGHTY FIVE ELEVEN
ZERO ZERO THE BILLS OUT I AM
NUMBER FOUR SB FIVE TWENTY NINE
TWELVE ZERO -- TOLD THERE THE
BILL'S OUT ITEM NUMBER FIVE
SB FIVE NINE NINE TWELVE ZERO
THAT'S TWO ZERO THE BILLS OUT
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN S.
B.
TEN SIXTY THREE ELEVEN
TO TWO THAT BILLS OUT I
DON'T NUMBER EIGHT S.
B.
TEN TWENTY SIX EIGHTY THREE
EIGHTY THREE THE BILL IS OUT I
ITEM NUMBER NINE SB THREE SEVEN
NINE TWELVE ZERO BUT I BILLS
OUT SEEING THAT THERE'S NOBODY
HERE KNOW FOR THE BUSINESS
THE SUB MEETINGS ADJOURNED