IS IT RED AND YELLOW? HELLO. IT
MUST BE THAT ONE. YEAH. I'VE
NEVER BEEN IN A MEETING WITH ME.
IT'S GONNA BE LOUD. WOW DROP
SOMETHING YOU DID BORNEAN. GOOD
AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE
JOINT INFORMATIONAL HEARING FOR
THE ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE OF PUBLIC
SAFETY AND THE COMMITTEE ON
ACCOUNTABILITY AND
ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW THIS
HEARING IS REGARDING THE ARM
PROHIBITED PERSONS SYSTEM. THIS
AFTERNOON. I AM JOINED BY THE
ILLUSTRIOUS CHAIR OF THE
ACCOUNTABILITY ADMINISTRATOR
REVIEW ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PETRI
NORTH, AS WELL AS MEMBERS FROM
BOTH COMMITTEES FOR MEMBERS OF
THE PUBLIC. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR
THAT THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL
HEARING ONLY WE WILL NOT BE
TAKING ANY VOTES OR HEARING ANY
MEASURES AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER
WE DO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO
PROVIDE WRITTEN TESTIMONY BEFORE
THE HEARING BY VISITING THE
COMMITTEE WEBSITE AT A SIM.
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SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE IS
CONSIDERED, UM PUBLIC COMMENT
AND MAYBE READ AND TO THE RECORD
OR REPRINTED ALL ARE ENCOURAGED
TO WATCH THE HEARING FROM ITS
LIVESTREAM ON THE ASSEMBLY'S
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BACKSLASH TODAY'S EVENTS. THE
HEARING ROOM WILL BE OPEN FOR
AUDIENCE FOR THIS OF THIS
HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE
PUBLIC ATTENDING A HEARING IS
ENCOURAGED TO WEAR A MASK AT ALL
TIMES WHILE IN THE BUILDING. THE
PUBLIC MAY ALSO PARTICIPATE IN
THIS HEARING BY TELEPHONE. WE
ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO MONITOR
THE COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE FOR
UPDATES. SO AFTER OUT, SAY A FEW
OPENING REMARKS AND THEN MY
COLLEAGUE, UM MS PETRIE NORTH
CADDY, PETRI NORTH WILL, THEN
YES, A FEW WORDS TO SAY. WE'LL
GO FROM THERE. UM AGAIN. GOOD
MORNING, AND WELCOME TO THE
COMMITTEE HEARING. CALIFORNIA
LEADS WITH SOME OF THE MOST
STRINGENT GUN LAWS, BUT GUN
VIOLENCE IS A DAILY REALITY FOR
COMMUNITIES ACROSS OUR STATE.
JUST LAST WEEK, WE WITNESSED
THREE MASS SHOOTINGS AND OCEAN
MONTEREY PARK INN, HALF MOON
BABE. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO OFFER
OUR CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES
AND MORNING AS WE AWAIT FURTHER
DETAILS ON THESE SHOOTINGS. WE
KNOW THAT GUN VIOLENCE ACROSS
CALIFORNIA REQUIRES STRONGER
ACTION RECHERCHE. IT'S SHOWN
THAT KEEPING FIREARMS AWAY FROM
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE AT A HIGH
RISK FOR COMMITTING VIOLENT
CRIMES IS AN EFFECTIVE VIOLENCE.
PREVENTION STRATEGY. CALIFORNIA
IS THE FIRST AND ONLY STATE IN
THE COUNTRY TO CREATE A SYSTEM
FOR IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE PROHIBITED FROM OWNING
FIREARMS. A PPS IS A DATABASE
MAINTAINED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE THAT CROSS REFERENCES
INFORMATION FROM MULTIPLE
DATABASES TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO
LEGALLY ACQUIRED OR REGISTERED
FIREARMS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE
PROHIBITED FROM OWNING FIREARMS
. GENERALLY THESE INDIVIDUALS
HAVE BEEN DEEMED TOO DANGEROUS
TO BE ARMED DUE TO THE FELONY OR
VIOLENT, MISDEMEANOR CONVICTIONS
. ACTIVE DOMESTIC AND GUN
VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDERS OR
SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
CALIFORNIA LAW REQUIRES THE DOJ
AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. TO
PROACTIVELY RECOVERED FIREARMS
FROM PROHIBITED PERSONS. THE
INFORMATION THAT A PPS IT'S
INSTRUMENTAL FOR STATE AND LOCAL
AUTHORITIES TO REMOVE FIREARMS
FROM PROHIBITED INDIVIDUALS IN
ORDER TO PREVENT AND REDUCE GUN
VIOLENCE AS THIS IS A JOINT
INFORMATIONAL HEARING. THE
COMMITTEE COMMITTEES WILL NOT BE
VOTING ON ANY LEGISLATION TODAY
THROUGH THE THROUGH THE
TESTIMONY. WE'RE HERE TODAY. I
HOPE WE WILL ALL LEAVE THIS
HEARING WITH A GREATER
UNDERSTANDING OF A PPS TO GUIDE
OUR FUTURE DECISION MAKING ON
LEGISLATION IN THIS AREA. I
WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME OUR
WITNESSES AND THANK YOU ALL FOR
JOINING US. WE HAVE FOUR PANELS
TODAY CONSISTENT OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT EXPERTS AND
ADVOCATES REPRESENTING DIVERSE
PERSPECTIVES ON THE ISSUE. OUR
FIRST PANEL IS THE NEED AT LEAST
A PRINCIPAL FISCAL AND POLICY
ANALYST FOR THE LEGISLATIVE
ANALYST'S OFFICE, AND NEITHER
LEE WILL PROVIDE THE COMMITTEE
WITH AN OVERVIEW OF A PPS THERE.
IN OUR SECOND PANEL, WE WILL
HEAR FROM THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ON HIS
ANNUAL REPORT TO THE LEGISLATURE
ON A PPS. JOINING US FROM THIS
PANEL IS JOHN MARSH TO CHIEF OF
DIVISION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
MICHAEL READING, A SPECIAL
ASSISTANT ASSISTANT ATTORNEY
GENERAL FOR THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. DURING
OUR THIRD PANEL, WE WILL HEAR
FROM LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT
IMPLEMENTATION OF A PPF AT THE
LOCAL LEVEL. DURING THAT THIRD
PANEL AT THE CITY OF IRVINE
POLICE DEPARTMENT SERGEANT SARA
TURN CLIFF SERGEANT THOMAS
DILLON AND WITH THE CITY OF SAN
DIEGO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE
COLD KROSBY, CHIEF DEPUTY THE
CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE OF THE SAN
DIEGO CITY ATTORNEY. FINALLY 1/4
PANEL TO PRESENTATION FROM GUN
VIOLENCE PREVENTION ADVOCATES.
THE FOURTH PANEL INCLUDES JULIA
WEBER, CONSULTANT AT GIFFORDS
LAWCENTER TO PREVENT GUN
VIOLENCE, AND STEVE LINDLEY, THE
PROGRAM MANAGER AT THE BRADLEY
CENTER TO PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING
TESTIMONY FROM OUR SPEAKERS. WE
HAVE A FULL AGENDA TODAY, SO I
ASKED THAT YOU USE YOUR TIME.
JUDICIOUSLY SO THAT WE HAVE
SUFFICIENT OPPORTUNITY FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL PROVIDE
TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER WE
HAVE HEARD FROM ALL PANELS. WITH
THAT I INVITE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
PETRIE-NORRIS CHAIR OF ASSEMBLY
COMMITTEE ON ACCOUNTABILITY
ADMINISTRATOR REVIEW AND ANY
OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO MAKE
OPENING REMARKS IF THEY WOULD
LIKE TO DO SO, WITH
PETRIE-NORRIS. THANK YOU, CHAIR
JOAN SAWYER AND THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP ON
THIS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL ISSUE.
TODAY'S HEARING IS ALL TOO
TIMELY. OVER THE COURSE OF THE
PAST 10 DAYS WE HAVE SEEN FOUR
MASS SHOOTINGS. IN CALIFORNIA
AND ACROSS THE NATION. SINCE THE
START OF THIS YEAR, WE HAVE SEEN
39 MASS SHOOTINGS. THERE HAVE
BEEN MORE MASS SHOOTINGS THAN
DAYS IN 2023. AND AS WE WORK TO
CONFRONT THIS UNIQUELY
HORRIFICALLY AMERICAN TRAGEDY
AND CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR ACTION
ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL. HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. WE ARE DOING
EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO KEEP
OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE. AND WE, AS
THE CHAIR NOTED, WE HAVE THIS
STRONGEST GUN SAFETY LAWS IN THE
NATION AND THE REALLY IMPORTANT
PART OF OUR JOB AS LEGISLATORS
IS ENSURING THAT THOSE LAWS ARE
BEING EFFECTIVELY IMPLEMENTED
AND EFFECTIVELY ENFORCED. AH
THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.
THE ARMED AND PROHIBITED PERSONS
SYSTEM APPS WAS FIRST
ESTABLISHED HERE IN CALIFORNIA
IN 2001. IT IS FIRST IN THE
NATION AND UNIQUE IN THE NATION
. HOWEVER THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN
PLAGUED WITH NUMEROUS ISSUES AND
CHALLENGES SINCE ITS
INTRODUCTION IN 2001. AND THERE
ARE CURRENTLY MORE THAN 24,000
INDIVIDUALS ON THE ABSOLUTIST.
THAT IS JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
AND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS
, THE LEGISLATURE WE'VE ENACTED
A NUMBER OF PIECES OF
LEGISLATION AND ALLOCATED BUDGET
RESOURCES TO IMPROVE THE PROGRAM
. MY GOAL TODAY AND I WANT TO
THANK ALL OF OUR PANELISTS FOR
JOINING US FOR THIS IMPORTANT
CONVERSATION. MY GOAL IS REALLY
TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS WORKING
AND WHAT'S NOT. UM AND WHAT DOES
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND
WHAT DO OUR LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES NEED TO
MAKE THIS PROGRAM WORK AND THE
BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE HERE TO DO
EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO KEEP
GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF PEOPLE
WE KNOW ARE A DANGER TO OUR
COMMUNITIES. SO THE STAKES ARE
INCREDIBLY INCREDIBLY HIGH, AND
WE HAVE GOT TO GET THIS RIGHT.
SO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR
ENGAGEMENT AND PARTNERSHIP ON
THIS ISSUE AND LOOK FORWARD TO
IDENTIFYING SOLUTIONS THAT WE
CAN PURSUE AS PAUL AND AS
POLICY. IN THE YEAR AHEAD. THANK
YOU COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT LIKE
YES. THANK YOU, MR DAVIES. THANK
YOU BOTH MADAM CHAIR AND MR
CHAIR FOR HOLDING WHAT I THINK
IT'S A LONG OVERDUE HEARING AND
A CRITICAL STATE PROGRAM IN OUR
EFFORTS TO REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE,
I THINK NOW MORE THAN EVER,
CALIFORNIANS NEED TO KNOW WHAT
PROTOCOL IS. WE HAVE IN PLACE TO
GET DANGEROUS GUNS AND CRIMINALS
USING THEM OFF OUR STREETS. LAST
WEEK, I INTRODUCED BABY THREE
OH, THREE, WHICH WILL HELP OUR
STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS BETTER
SHARE INVESTIGATIVE INFORMATION
ABOUT INDIVIDUALS IN THE ASK
DATABASE. OF COURSE, INVITE ALL
MY COLLEAGUES HERE TO CO AUTHOR
WITH ME AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR LEADERSHIP OF BOTH OUR
CHAIRS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
HEARING FROM THE SPEAKERS. THANK
YOU. BUT I THINK THING FROM
SPARTA MR LACKED AGAIN AND OUR
VICE CHAIR, BUT JUST A QUICK
REMARKS. SURE. I'M EXCITED TO
TALK ABOUT THIS TOPIC JUST
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN LONG STANDING.
AND IT'S KIND OF MYSTIFYING TO
ME WHY IT CONTINUES TO REMAIN
SUCH A BIG PROBLEM. UM, WE'RE
PRETTY AGGRESSIVE. ON HOW WE
ENFORCE. OTHER STATUTES THAT
RELATE TO WEAPONS. AND, UM. IT
SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS WOULD BE A
HIGH PRIORITY. BECAUSE WE HAVE
BEHAVIOR. ASSOCIATED WITH WITH
THE WEAPON. AND SO I'M
FRUSTRATED BY THE FACT THAT
WE'VE BEEN TOLD FOR SINCE I'VE
BEEN IN THIS POSITION. THAT IF
WE GOT THE RESOURCES WE WOULD
ELIMINATE IT. BUT THE RESOURCES
HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. AND WE HAVE
NOT ELIMINATED IT. AND IT
REMAINS A VERY SERIOUS THREAT.
AND BEHAVIOR IS NOT GETTING
BETTER IN OUR SOCIETY. AND I
THINK SOME OF THAT'S RELATED TO
PUBLIC POLICY, BUT THAT'S FOR
ANOTHER DAY. BUT I WILL TELL YOU
THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS
DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE
FRANK. WE NEED TO BE OPEN. WE
NEED TO BE HONEST. AND WE ALSO
NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. AH! AND
THAT'S SOME OF THE PUBLIC REALLY
, REALLY NEEDS BECAUSE WE SEEM
TO TAKE SIDES AND I THINK THAT'S
HURTFUL. I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON
THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AS IT
RELATES TO THE TERM THAT MANY
PEOPLE USE GUN VIOLENCE. I
DON'T. I THINK THAT'S MISLEADING
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK GUNS ARE
VIOLENT, INHERENTLY. I THINK
THEY BECOME VIOLENT IN THE HANDS
OF IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE. SO I'M
THANKFUL FOR THIS DISCUSSION. I
LOOK FORWARD TO IT. AND I'M
THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE LEADERSHIP
HERE. THAT'S VERY RESPECTFUL TO
ALL POINTS OF PERSPECTIVE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR LÀ KI¾M AND
THE OTHER MEMBERS. OKAY SEE YOU
DONE THEN WAS LET'S BEGIN WITH
THE OVERVIEW OF THE ARMED AND
PROHIBITED PERSONS SYSTEM. I
NEED TO LEAVE PRINCIPAL FISCAL
AND POLICY ANALYSTS FROM THE LEO
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S OFFICE.
AND WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, YOU
CAN BEGIN. GREAT GOOD MORNING
MEMBERS IMMEDIATELY WITH THE
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S OFFICE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MIGHT NOT
BE FAMILIAR WITH THE L A. OH, WE
WORK FOR YOU ALL THE LEGISLATURE
AND WE PROVIDE NONPARTISAN
FISCAL AND POLICY ADVICE, AND WE
SERVE AS THE LEGISLATURE'S EYES
AND EARS TO ENSURE THAT POLICY
IS IMPLEMENTED IN BOTH A COST
EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE MANNER.
AND SO WE DEVELOP OUR EXPERTISE.
OUR FAMILIARITY WITH PROGRAMS IN
A VERY VARIETY OF WAYS,
INCLUDING THROUGH OUR BUDGET
WORK, UM AS WELL AS MEMBER
REQUESTS, INITIATIVE WORK,
ETCETERA, AND SO IN THAT ROLE
COMMITTEE STAFF ASKED US TO
ACTUALLY COME TODAY AND PRESENT
SOME KEY CONTEXT AND BACKGROUND
TO FRAME THE DISCUSSION THAT
YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING IN THE
SUBSEQUENT PANELS. SO THERE'S A
HANDOUT THAT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE
COPIES OF, AND THAT WILL REALLY
SERVE AS A GUIDE FOR OUR
COMMENTS TODAY. IF YOU TURN TO
PAGE ONE OF YOUR HAND OUT, WE'RE
FIRST GOING TO START WITH AN
OVERVIEW OF CALIFORNIA FIREARM
AND AMMUNITION LAWNS. UNDER
FEDERAL AND STATE LAW, CERTAIN
INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO
HAVE FIREARMS. THESE PRODUCE
PERSONS INCLUDE INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE CONVICTED OF FELONIES AND
SOME MISDEMEANORS SUCH AS
ASSAULT AND BATTERY. FOUND BY A
COURT TO BE A DANGER TO
THEMSELVES OR OTHERS DUE TO
MENTAL ILLNESS. OR THEY HAVE A
RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST THEM
IN CALIFORNIA. IF YOU'RE NOT
PERMITTED TO HAVE A FIREARM,
THEY'RE ALSO NOT PERMITTED TO
HAVE AMMUNITION. BOTH FEDERAL
AND STATE LAW THAT INCLUDE
VARIOUS REGULATIONS RELATED TO
FIREARMS. SALES AND STATE LAW
ALSO INCLUDES REGULATIONS
RELATED TO AMMUNITION SALES.
EXAMPLES OF THAT ARE LAID OUT ON
THE PAGE BEFORE YOU, BUT INCLUDE
THAT INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES
SELLING FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
ARE GENERALLY REQUIRED TO BE
LICENSED. UM THOSE SELLERS ARE
ALSO GENERALLY REQUIRED TO
REQUEST A BACKGROUND CHECK FROM
FEDERAL AND STATE DATABASES
BEFORE COMPLETING SALES TO
ENSURE THAT THE PURCHASER ISN'T
NOT A PROHIBITED PERSON. THE
DEALERS ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO
COLLECT AND REPORT CERTAIN
INFORMATION TO DOJ. AND THERE
ARE VARIOUS OTHER REGULATIONS AS
WELL LISTED ON THIS PAGE. IF YOU
TURN TO PAGE TWO OF YOUR HAND
OUT STATE LAW ALSO AUTHORIZES
THE REMOVAL OF FIREARMS FROM
PROHIBITED PERSONS. SO DOJ
OPERATES ENFORCEMENT TEAMS ALSO
KNOWN AS APPS TEAMS, AND WE'RE
GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE
ABOUT THAT SHORTLY. UM BUT DOJ
MAINTAINS THIS DATABASE OF
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE LEGALLY
BOUGHT OR REGISTERED A FIREARM
WITH THE STATE. AND THEN DOJ CAN
USE THAT INFORMATION TO
SUBSEQUENTLY REMOVED FIREARMS
FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO BECOME
PROHIBITED PERSONS. AT THE SAME
TIME, STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT
THE COURTS INFORM INDIVIDUALS.
INCLUDING THOSE WHO ARE
CONVICTED OF AN OFFENSE OR ARE
SUBJECT TO A CIVIL RESTRAINING
ORDER. THAT MAKES THEM A
PROHIBITED PERSON THAT THEY MUST
RELINQUISH THEIR FIREARMS. AND
THIS CAN BE DONE BY TURNING THEM
OVER TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OR
, FOR EXAMPLE, TO A LICENSED
FIREARM DEALER FOR STORAGE.
PROBATION OFFICERS OR THE
INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES ARE THEN
REQUIRED TO REPORT ON WHETHER
THIS OCCURRED. TURNING TO PAGE
THREE OF YOUR HAND OUT. WE'RE
GOING TO PROVIDE SOME
INFORMATION ON THAT ENFORCEMENT
AND HOW WE FUND THAT. AND SO DOJ
SPECIFICALLY THROUGH ITS BUREAU.
FIREARMS IS PRIMARILY
RESPONSIBLE FOR REGULATING AND
ENFORCING THESE FIREARMS AND
AMMUNITION LAWS, AND THE
ACTIVITIES CAN RANGE FROM
CONDUCTING THOSE BACKGROUND
CHECKS. LICENSING UM SELLERS AND
AMMUNITION VENDORS AS WELL AS
VARIOUS OTHER ACTIVITIES AS
WELL. STATE LAW AUTHORIZES DOJ
TO CHARGE VARIOUS FEES RELATED
TO FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION. UM
AND THOSE ARE DEPOSITED INTO ONE
OF THE VARIOUS STATES SPECIAL
FUNDS TO THEN SUPPORT THEIR
ACTIVITIES. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, AN
INDIVIDUAL WHO PURCHASES A
FIREARM CURRENTLY PAYS FEES
TOTALING $37.19, WHICH ARE THEN
DEPOSITED INTO THREE DIFFERENT
SPECIAL FUNDS. BETWEEN 2012 13
AND 19 2020. THE BUREAU WAS
GENERALLY SUPPORTED ONLY BY FEE
REVENUES. THIS CHANGED IN 19
2020 WHEN SOME GENERAL FUND
SUPPORT WAS THEN PROVIDED
DESPITE THAT HAPPENING STILL, AT
LEAST HALF OF THE BUREAU'S COSTS
WERE SUPPORTED BY THESE FEE
REVENUES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE
TABLE BEFORE YOU ON THIS PAGE,
WE PROVIDE KIND OF A FIVE YEAR
OVERVIEW OF FUNDING IF YOU LOOK
AT THE RIGHT MOST COLUMN FOR
2022 23. YOU CAN SEE THAT 55.7
MILLION WAS PROVIDED. VERY FIRST
LIGHT DOWN INCLUDES THE GENERAL
FUND AMOUNT OF $22 MILLION,
WHICH IS ABOUT 40% OF THE BUDGET
, AND THEN THE REMAINING AMOUNTS
WERE GENERALLY COMING FROM THESE
FEE REVENUES. THE AMOUNT THAT IS
IN THE GENERAL FUND. MOST OF
THAT IS USED TO SUPPORT THOSE
APPS ENFORCEMENT TEAMS. IF YOU
TURN TO PAGE FOUR OF YOUR HAND
OUT, WE'RE NEXT. GOING TO TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT APPS, THE ARMED
IMPROVE IT'D PERSONS SYSTEM
WHICH IS MAINTAINED BY DOJ. UM
AS BOTH CHAIRS MENTIONED, IT'S A
DATABASE THAT INCLUDES ALL
INDIVIDUALS WHO LEGALLY
PURCHASED OR TRANSFER FIREARMS,
AS WELL AS ALL KNOWN FIREARMS
ASSOCIATED WITHIN EACH
INDIVIDUAL. SO AS OF JANUARY,
1ST OF 2022. THEY WERE NEARLY
3.2 MILLION FIREARM OWNERS IN
THE APSE DATABASE. THE DATABASE,
THEN ALSO INCLUDES A PROHIBITED
ARMED PERSONS FILE, WHICH
CONSISTS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO
SUBSEQUENTLY BECAME PROHIBITED
FROM OWNING OR POSSESSING
FIREARMS. AND THIS IS WHAT LAW
ENFORCEMENT USES TO IDENTIFY
THOSE PROHIBITED PERSONS WHO
MIGHT HAVE FIREARMS. SO AS OF
JANUARY, 1ST OF 2022. THERE WERE
24,509 PROHIBITED PERSONS. IN
THE SYSTEM. IF YOU LOOK AT THE
FIGURE BEFORE YOU ON THIS PAGE
AT THE VERY TOP OF THE LINE
GRAPH SHOWS THAT THE NUMBER OF
PROHIBITED PERSONS AND APPS
CONTINUES TO GROW. IF YOU LOOK
AT THE BARS BELOW THE LINE, THIS
IS GENERALLY DUE TO MORE PEOPLE
BEING ADDED THAN BEING REMOVED.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT MOST
COLUMN FOR 2021, YOU CAN SEE FOR
EXAMPLE, THAT 9840 INDIVIDUALS
WERE ADDED, BUT ONLY 8937 WERE
REMOVED AND SO THAT CONTRIBUTES
TO THAT GROWTH. OF THE
PROHIBITED PERSONS THAT WERE
REMOVED IN 2021. 60% WERE
REMOVED BECAUSE THEY WERE NO
LONGER PROHIBITED. 36% WERE
REMOVED DUE TO FIREARMS BEING
SEIZED FROM THEM OR LAWFULLY
BEING SURRENDERED. AND THEN 4%
WERE REMOVED BECAUSE THEY WERE
DECEASED. IF YOU TURN TO PAGE
FIVE OF YOUR HAND OUT, WE'RE
NEXT GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING
ORDERS, OR GVR OS. SO THE COURTS
CAN ISSUE BOTH CRIMINAL AND
CIVIL PROTECTIVE ORDERS THAT
PROHIBIT INDIVIDUALS FROM
PURCHASING OR POSSESSING
FIREARMS AND AMMUNITIONS.
EXAMPLE OF THOSE CIVIL
PROTECTIVE ORDERS INCLUDE GVR
AROSE AS WELL AS DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDERS.
SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO G BROS.
STATE LAW AUTHORIZES LAW
ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS CERTAIN
PRIVATE CITIZENS, SUCH AS
IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS,
EMPLOYERS OR CO WORKERS TO SEEK
GVR OS WHEN THERE IS CONCERN
THAT AN INDIVIDUAL POSES A
SIGNIFICANT AND OR IMMEDIATE
DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS.
TEMPORARY OR EMERGENCY G.
VARRO'S LAST ABOUT 21 DAYS AND
LENGTHIER GVR OS OF 1 TO 5 YEARS
MAY FOLLOW AFTER A COURT
HEARING. LOOKING AT THE FIGURE
BEFORE YOU ON THIS PAGE. YOU CAN
SEE THAT DOJ DATA INDICATES THAT
THE NUMBER OF GVR OS ISSUED HAS
INCREASED ANNUALLY SINCE 2016
AND SO IN 2021, IT REACHED
NEARLY 1400 G BROS BEING ISSUED
ACROSS 34 COUNTIES. TURNING TO
PAGE SIX OF YOUR HAND OUT. WE
ARE NEXT GOING TO HIGHLIGHT SOME
KEY FUNDING ACTIONS THAT WERE
TAKEN BY THE LEGISLATURE TO
PROVIDE FOR THE ENFORCEMENT OF
FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION LAWS. UM
SO THE FIRST WAY THAT THAT
HAPPENED WAS THAT ADDITIONAL
RESOURCES WERE PROVIDED
SPECIFICALLY FOR DOJ. SO IN 2013
, THE LEGISLATURE PROVIDED 24
MILLION OVER THREE YEARS IN
ADDITIONAL FEE REVENUES TO HELP
ADDRESS THE GROWTH OF PROMOTED
PERSONS IN THE SYSTEM. AFTER
THAT VARIOUS ACTIONS HAVE ALSO
BEEN TAKEN TO STABILIZE THE
LEVEL OF FUNDING PROVIDED TO
SUPPORT THE BUREAU OF FIREARMS
AND THEIR ACTIVITIES, WHICH
INCLUDED ADDRESSING SOME OF
THOSE OPERATIONAL SHORTFALLS
FACING THE SPECIAL FUNDS THAT
SUPPORT THEM. EXAMPLES OF THAT
INCLUDE, UM AS PART OF THE 2019
20 BUDGET PACKAGE, A DECISION
WAS MADE TO ACTUALLY SHIFT
SUPPORT OF THE ABSENT FORCE MINT
TEAMS ENTIRELY TO THE GENERAL
FUND. AND 17.5 MILLION AND
ONGOING SUPPORT WAS PROVIDED
THAT CONSISTED OF 11.9 MILLION
FROM SHIFTING EXISTING TEAMS
OVER AS WELL AS 5.6 MILLION IN
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT ENTIRELY.
ALSO IN 2019, WHAT WAS ENACTED
TO ENABLE DOJ TO ACTUALLY
INCREASE THE TOTAL FEE CHARGED
WHEN PURCHASING A FIREARM FROM
$25 TO $37.19, WHICH PROVIDED
MORE FEE REVENUE THAT WAS ABLE
TO SUPPORT ACTIVITIES. A SECOND
KIND OF MAJOR WAY THAT RECENT
FUNDING HAS BEEN PROVIDED IS TO
GRANTS TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
FUNDING HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN
RECENT YEARS FOR GRANTS TO
COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICES
SPECIFICALLY FOR ACTIVITIES
RELATED TO SEIZING FIREARMS AND
AMMUNITION FROM PROHIBITED
PERSONS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE 19
2020 BUDGET PACKAGE INCLUDED $3
MILLION THAT WERE SUBSEQUENTLY
ALLOCATED TO FOUR COUNTIES. AND
THE 2021 22 BUDGET INCLUDED $10
MILLION, OF WHICH EIGHT MILLION
HAD $8 MILLION HAS BEEN
ALLOCATED TO 14 COUNTIES.
ADDITIONALLY THE 2022 23 BUDGET
PACKAGE ALSO INCLUDED $25
MILLION FOR COMPETITIVE GRANTS
TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
GENERALLY TO SUPPORT GUN BUYBACK
PROGRAMS. TURNING TO THE FINAL
PAGE OF YOUR HANDOUT PAGE SEVEN.
THERE ARE JUST TWO ADDITIONAL
KIND OF ACTIONS TAKEN THAT WE
WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU. THE
FIRST IS AS PART OF THE 2022 23
BUDGET. PACKAGE THERE WAS $40
MILLION IN GENERAL FUND PROVIDED
FOR THE TRIAL COURTS TO ENFORCE
COURT ORDERS REMOVING FIREARMS
AND AMMUNITIONS FROM PROHIBITED
PERSONS AND THE PRIORITY WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE RELATED TO CIVIL
ORDERS, INCLUDING GVR OS AND
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING
ORDERS. AS A CONDITION FOR
RECEIVING THAT FUNDING. UM EACH
COURT WAS REQUIRED TO PARTNER
WITH AT LEAST ONE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND PROVIDE
AT LEAST 30% OF THE FUNDING IT
RECEIVED TO SUPPORT LAW
ENFORCEMENT COSTS. FINALLY THE
2021 22 BUDGET PACKAGE INCLUDED
$1 MILLION FOR THE SAN DIEGO
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO
CONDUCT GVR Ó TRAINING
STATEWIDE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT,
AND THIS IS ON TOP OF MONEY THAT
WAS PROVIDED IN 2018 19 AND 19
2020. WITH THAT WILL CONCLUDE
HER COMMENTS INTERVIEW, ABLE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
AND I AND I KNOW I SAID, WE WAIT
TILL THE VERY END. BUT YOU WENT
SO SWIFTLY WHERE I THINK WE CAN.
WE CAN ASK FOR QUESTIONS RIGHT
NOW. AFTER EACH PRESENTATION,
AND SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
PRETTY ELIO RIGHT NOW. I HAD
ONE, OKAY? SO, UM. I KNOW IT'S
BEEN DIFFICULT GOING THROUGH
THESE LISTS AND REALLY SHOULD TO
THE LEGISLATURE REALLY
CONSIDERED TARGETING THE REMOVAL
OF FIREARMS FROM CERTAIN MAYBE
HIGH RISK INDIVIDUALS AND WORK
OUR WAY DOWN APPROPRIATE.
PERSONS AND IF SO THAT DURING
THE KIND OF PRIORITIZATION SO
THAT WE CAN MAKE THE PUBLIC
SAFER IF WE GO AFTER THAT, I'M
JUST BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE
LIST. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK
OF A WAY WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE
CAN GET TO THE MOST THE MOST
DANGEROUS PEOPLE SOONER AND THEN
THEY'RE ALL DANGEROUS, BUT THE
LEAST UM OF THEM. WE CAN GET TO
LATER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM
LIKE WE'RE MAKING A BIG DENT IN
IT. SO SHOULD WE PRIORITIZE ANY
OF THIS? YOU KNOW, I THINK YOUR
SUBSEQUENT PANELS WITH DOJ AND
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL
PROVIDE INSIGHT IN TERMS OF HOW
THEY GO ABOUT PRIORITIZING. UM I
THINK IN RECENT YEARS IN TERMS
OF THE THINGS THAT WE
HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU, I THINK THE
LEGISLATURE HAS MADE A TARGETED
ATTEMPT TO TOUCH ON THE VARIOUS
AREAS WHERE THAT HAPPENS, SO A
LOT OF THE INVESTMENT ORIGINALLY
WAS ADDRESSING APPS, RIGHT?
THOSE INDIVIDUALS BECAME
PROHIBITED SORT OF DOWN THE LINE
AND SO WITH SOME OF THE RECENT
FUNDING INVESTMENTS, UM THE
LEGISLATURE HAS PROVIDED FUNDING
TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SEE
WHETHER OR NOT THERE COULD BE
ACTIONS TAKEN. THEY'RE KIND OF
MORE LOCALLY AND SUPPORTING
THOSE ACTIVITIES, BUT ALSO IN
THAT FINAL ACTION THAT I TALKED
ABOUT AS PART OF THE 2022 23
BUDGET, THE LEGISLATURE AVOIDED
INVESTED $40 MILLION INTO THESE
COURT BASED PROGRAMS. AND SO THE
CONCEPT OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE
LEGISLATIVE INTENT AT THAT TIME
WAS TO BASICALLY PROVIDE THE
MONEY AT THE SAME TIME, SOME OF
THESE BORDERS WERE COMING DOWN,
AND IT WAS ALSO FOCUSING ON THE
CIVIL SIDE IN TERMS OF BOTH GVR
OS, AS WELL AS DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDERS AND
THE REQUIREMENT TO PARTNER WITH
LAW ENFORCEMENT AS PART OF THAT
FUNDING WAS TO ENSURE THAT THERE
WAS SORT OF LIKE A CHAIN IN
TERMS OF THE PATHWAY WAS SORT OF
BEING FOLLOWED. UM, THAT PROGRAM
IS JUST BEING IMPLEMENTED. SOME
GRANTS HAVE BEEN AWARDED. AND SO
IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO SOON TO
KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE EXACT
IMPACTS. THAT HAVE OCCURRED, BUT
I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS THOUGHT
ABOUT IN TERMS OF HOW TO
DISTRIBUTE THE MONEY AND HOW AS
MUCH AS MR CHAIR YOU MENTIONED
TO GET THE MONEY KIND OF EARLIER
UPFRONT AND KIND OF TARGETING IT
IN THAT WAY. OKAY? PETRIE-NORRIS
. I THANK YOU. THAT WAS A REALLY
HELPFUL AND COMPREHENSIVE
OVERVIEW. IN TERMS OF SOME OF
THE RECENT BUDGET ACTIONS THAT
WE HAVE TAKEN IN A NEW
HIGHLIGHTED THAT, UH, AT THE
CLOSE OF YOUR COMMENTS DO YOU
KNOW WHAT IS THE STATUS OF, UH,
HOW MUCH OF THOSE GRANTS HAVE
BEEN DISPERSED, TOO? LOCAL
AGENCIES AND, UH, THE SECOND
PART DISPERSED, TOO. THE COURTS.
SO UM, IN THE GRANTS TO LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT OF THE 19 2020
THAT THREE MILLION. OUR
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ONE HAS
GONE OUT OF THE MONEY THAT 10
MILLION INCLUDED AS PART OF THE
2021 22 BUDGET. EIGHT MILLION
AROUND APPROXIMATELY EIGHT
MILLION OF THAT HAS GONE OUT TO
ABOUT 14 AGENCIES. UM AND THEN
FOR THE COURT MONIES OF THE 40
MILLION. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS
18.5 MILLION. HAS GONE OUT TO
SEVEN DIFFERENT COURTS. AND IT'S
DOJ, UH, AWARDING THOSE GRANTS
AS WELL. THE COURT ONES, NO
JUDICIAL, SO THE MONEY WENT TO
THE JUDICIAL BRANCH AND THEN
JUDICIAL COUNCIL WAS RESPONSIBLE
FOR SOLICITING APPLICATIONS FOR
THAT MONEY AND THEN AWARDING IT
. UM AND SO AS PART OF THOSE
APPLICATIONS WHEN THE COURTS
PRESENTED, INDIVIDUAL COURTS
PRESENTED, THEIR APPLICATIONS
ARE UNDERSTANDING AS THEY WERE
REQUIRED TO BASICALLY PRESENT
SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN
TERMS OF UM, DEMONSTRATING THAT
THEY HAD PARTNERED, YOU KNOW
THEY HAD IDENTIFIED THE PARTNER
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND THEN
WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING ON DOING
WITH THE RESOURCES. GREAT. THANK
YOU. MHM. OKAY? THANK YOU, MISS
LEE. AND NOW WE'LL HAVE THE
ANNUAL REPORT TO THE LEGISLATURE
AND THE ARMED AND PROHIBITED
PERSONS SYSTEM BY THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT JUSTICE I HAVE JOHN
MARSH, CHIEF. DIVISION OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT, UH, CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND
MICHAEL READING SPECIAL
ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE. GOOD AFTERNOON,
GENTLEMEN. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD
AFTERNOON. SO WHOEVER WANTS TO
START FIRST CAN BEGIN BEGIN AN
ALTERNATE OVER TO CHIEF MARSH
HERE IN A SECOND. ALL RIGHT,
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY BEFORE
THIS JOINT BODY TODAY AND THANK
YOU TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY AND
ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW COMMITTEES
FOR THIS INVITATION. AS YOU
SAID, MY NAME IS MICHAEL
READING. I'M A SPECIAL ASSISTANT
ATTORNEY GENERAL. FOR CRIMINAL
JUSTICE, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
FIREARMS AT THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. BESIDE ME
IS JOHN MARSH, CHIEF OF THE
DIVISION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL IS COMMITTED TO
WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
LEGISLATURE TO SOLVE THIS
ENDEMIC PROBLEM OF GUN VIOLENCE
IN CALIFORNIA. HE ADVOCATES FOR
AND ALL OF THE ABOVE APPROACH
FROM DISARMING DANGEROUS
INDIVIDUALS TO PROVIDING MENTAL
HEALTH SERVICES TO THOSE IN
CRISIS AND AT RISK OF HARMING
THEMSELVES AND OTHERS. APPS IS
AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF THAT
APPROACH. IT IS NOT ONLY THE
FIRST OF ITS KIND, IT REMAINS,
SOMEBODY SAID ONE OF THE ONLY
STATEWIDE ARMED PROHIBITED
PERSONS SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY.
THIS FACT IS OFTEN CITED, BUT IT
BEARS REPEATING, UH, THAT MEANS
THAT NOT ONLY WERE WE FIRST WERE
ONE OF THE ONLY STATES THAT HAS
AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE
PROBLEMS THAT WE FACE AND THE
NUMBER OF ARMED INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE PROHIBITED FROM OWNING THOSE
FIREARMS. THOSE PROBLEMS EXIST
ACROSS THE COUNTRY. CALIFORNIA
HAS TAKEN THE FIRST STEP BY
KNOWING THAT AND TRYING TO
DISARM THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE
TESTIMONY TODAY IS INTENDED TO
PROVIDE FURTHER INSIGHT INTO
APPS. THE SYSTEM ITSELF OUR
EFFORTS TO REMOVE FIREARMS FROM
PROHIBITED INDIVIDUALS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FURTHER
IMPROVING THE SYSTEM AND
REMOVING INDIVIDUALS. FIRST
CHIEF MARSH WILL PROVIDE SOME
ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND ON APPS.
AND I WILL CONCLUDE BY
DISCUSSING THE RECOMMENDATIONS,
MANY OF WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN
THE 2021 APPS REPORT BEFORE I
TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF MARCH. I
DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE
CLARIFICATION ON THE DATA THAT
WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY EACH YEAR
OVER THE COURSE OF THE FIRST FEW
MONTHS OF THE YEAR, CALIFORNIA
DOJ COMPILES THE DATA FROM THE
PREVIOUS YEAR AND ISSUES THAT
REPORT SOMETIME IN THE SPRING.
SO ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT TODAY. WILL BE
FROM THE 2020 REPORT THAT WAS
ISSUED IN 2022 ABOUT THE 2021
NUMBERS. THAT MEANS THAT SOME OF
IT IS STALE AS OF TODAY, AND WE
WERE ALSO UNDER A STAY AT HOME
ORDER FOR PART OF THAT YEAR.
THIS WAS CERTAINLY PART OF THE
PANDEMIC. WITH THAT I WILL TURN
IT OVER TO CHIEF MARCH TO
PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APP
SYSTEM. THANK YOU AND GOOD
AFTERNOON. THERE'S SOME FAMILIAR
FACES IN THIS ROOM REGARDING
THIS TOPIC. UH LITTLE BACKGROUND
ON ME. I UH BENNETT, DOJ 20 PLUS
YEARS AND I WORKED ON AN APP'S
TEAM HAVE SUPERVISED IN APPS
TEAM AND I'VE MANAGED APS
PROGRAM SO HOPEFULLY I'LL BE
ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT.
BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW FACES
IN THE ROOM, I THOUGHT I'D START
OFF WITH WHAT APPS IS AND KIND
OF PULL THE COVER BACK SO
EVERYBODY CAN HAVE A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT WORKS
AND HOW IT WORKS. THERE'S A LOT
OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SYSTEM.
UH SO HOPEFULLY I'LL TOUCH ON
SOME OF THOSE THINGS. AND I PUT
A POWER POINT TOGETHER FOR YOU
BECAUSE PICTURES ARE ALWAYS
GREAT. SO UH, WE WILL START OFF.
I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THE
CLICKER. I DON'T HAVE IT. JUST
SAY NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE NEXT
AGAIN. IT'S JUST A BUREAU
FIREARMS. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE
GETTING THE DATA FROM. UH NEXT
SLIDE. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT
SOME DATA. WHAT THE PROHIBITIONS
ARE ABSENT FORCE MINT AND THEN
LOCAL ABSCESSES INSTANCE. NEXT
SLIDE. AH SO THIS THIS IS WHY
CALIFORNIA IS ABLE TO DO IT AND
NOBODY ELSE IS ABLE TO DO IT
BECAUSE OUR AF SYSTEM AND THIS
IS INFORMATION FOR REGISTRATION
, FIREARMS REGISTRATION. UH SO
IN 1996, WE STARTED COLLECTING
FIREARMS REGISTRATION OR
REGISTRATION FOR HANDGUNS, THEN
IN 2014 LEGISLATION. WAS PASSED
TO START COLLECTING LONG GUN
INFORMATION. WE ALSO HAVE SELF
REPORTED FIREARMS REGISTRATION
IN THERE AND THEN ALSO ASSAULT
WEAPON REGISTRATION. SO UH,
THERE'S OTHER STATES. THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD LIKE TO
COPY THE APP SYSTEM. THEY CAN'T
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE
FOUNDATIONAL INFORMATION THAT
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS. SO
THIS IS WHERE EVERYTHING STARTS
NEXT SLIDE. SO UH, F S IS DOWN
AT THE RED AND THE BOTTOM. IT
TALKS TO, UH, THOSE OTHER FOUR.
THAT'S CRIMINAL HISTORY,
RESTRAINING ORDER, MENTAL HEALTH
AND WANTED PERSONS. SO THOSE
SYSTEMS IF SOMEONE GETS PUT INTO
THE SYSTEM WILL CONNECT WITH A
FS TO SEE IF THERE'S A MATCH IF
THERE IS A MATCH. GETS PUSHED
OVER TO AN ANALYST. WE HAVE
ANALYSTS AT DOJ OUR PROGRAM SIDE
THAT GO THROUGH EACH TRIGGERING
EVENT BECAUSE ALL OF THIS
INFORMATION IS HUMAN INPUTTED,
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE AND
ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
WE'RE GOING TO PUT INTO THE APP
SYSTEM BELONG IN THAT SYSTEM, SO
HUMAN ACTUALLY LOOKS AT THE
PROHIBITING FACTORS. ENSURING
THAT THEY THEY ARE STILL THE
REGISTERED OWNER OF THE FIREARM
, AND THEN THE PERSON GETS PUT
INTO APPS. NEXT SLIDE. AH FROM
THERE. I TALKED ABOUT THE
TRIGGERING EVENT AND INDIVIDUAL
LOOKS AT IT AND IT GETS PUT INTO
APPS. THIS IS ALL HAPPENS ON OUR
PROGRAM SIDE AND THEN THE PERSON
IS PUT INTO THE APP SYSTEM. NEXT
SLIDE. UH YEP. THERE WE GO. UH
THEN WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CRIME
ANALYST, PULL THE INDIVIDUAL
AGAIN AND PUT TOGETHER AND IN
INVESTIGATIVE PACKAGE, AND THIS
INVESTIGATIVE PACKAGE PUTS
EVERYTHING ABOUT THE PERSON
TOGETHER TO BE TURNED OVER TO A
SPECIAL AGENT SPECIAL AGENT THEN
LOOKS AT IT FROM AN
INVESTIGATIVE LENS REVIEWS THE
PACKAGE AGAIN. AND THEN THE SIX
TEAMS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT
THE STATE. PUT, UH PACKAGES
TOGETHER DAILY TO GO OUT AND DO
REGIONAL ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS. UH
WE'RE OFTEN ASKED. DO WE
PRIORITIZE SPECIFIC CASES? WE
TRY TO DO A REGIONALLY BECAUSE
THE STATE IS SO BIG AND WE ONLY
HAVE SIX TEAMS TO TRY TO GET THE
MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK. BECAUSE
I WAS ALL TALK LATER. THESE
CASES ARE VERY LABOR INTENSIVE.
BUT THE QUESTION DID COME UP BY
THE CHAIR ABOUT PRIORITIZING
CASES, THE ONE THAT WE WHEN APPS
CASE IT COMES IN AS A
RESTRAINING ORDERS BECAUSE
THERE'S AN ACTIVE ACTIVITY
RELATED TO APPS, THE PERSON SO
WE PRIORITIZE THOSE TOWARDS THE
TOP. UH SOURCES OF PRO NEXT
SLIDE. SORRY. UH Y PEOPLE ARE
PROHIBITED. THIS IS THE
BREAKDOWN HERE. THE BIGGEST IS
STILL FELONY CONVICTIONS. UH BUT
WE HAVE PROBATION. WE HAVE
MISDEMEANORS. THERE'S UH, 30,
SOME ODD MISDEMEANORS THAT WILL
PUT YOU INTO THE APP SYSTEM, A
MENTAL HEALTH EVENT. RESTRAINING
ORDERS AND THEN THE FEDERAL
BRADY ARE FEDERAL OFFENSES THAT
AREN'T NECESSARILY CAPTURED AND
I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE
BIT HERE IN CALIFORNIA, BUT
THERE'S STILL FEDERALLY
PROHIBITED. NEXT SLIDE. ABS
NUMBERS. SO THE TOP ONE, THESE
ARE THE INDIVIDUALS. THE 3.2
MILLION REGISTERED GUN OWNERS IN
CALIFORNIA. SO THAT'S A F S THAT
NUMBER THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT
THAT BOUNCES OFF THAT
PROHIBITING FACTORS THAT NEXT
NUMBER 24 24,500. THAT'S THE BIG
NUMBER OF PROHIBITED PEOPLE. IN
THE APP SYSTEM. AND THEN THIS IS
WHERE THE DISCUSSION ALWAYS
GOES. A LITTLE AWRY, SO I'M
HOPING TO PUT IT IN A VISUAL FOR
EVERYBODY. UH 10,033 ACTIVE
CASES AND AS WE SAID EARLIER,
THIS IS FROM OUR 2021 REPORT.
AND THEN THE 14,476. CASES SO
I'M GONNA GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT
THOSE NEXT SLIDE. SO PENDING
CASES. 6800 OF THOSE PENDING
CASES ARE UNABLE TO CLEAR SO
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS
THAT CASE HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED
A SPECIAL SPECIAL AGENT OR LAW
ENFORCEMENT HAS CONTACTED THAT
PERSON. UH WE RECOVERED ALL OF
THE FIREARMS THAT THEY HAD IN
THEIR PROCESSION. UH BUT WE CAN
STILL NOT TAKE THEM OUT OF THE
APPS DATABASE. UH WHY? WHY? WHY
CAN THEY NOT COME OUT? UM SO
GIVE IT A LITTLE EXAMPLE OF
TRYING TO BRING IT, UH TO MORE
FOCUS, SO AN APPS TEAM GOES OUT
. A PERSON HAS FIVE GUNS
REGISTERED TO HIM IN A F S. THEY
MAKE CONTACT WITH A PERSON. THE
PERSON SAYS. YES I HAVE GUNS
SHOULDN'T BUT YES, I HAVE GUNS.
THEY GO IN AND THEY SEIZE THREE
GUNS. AND THREE OF THE GUNS ARE
REGISTERED TO THE THEM IN A F S
. THEY MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER FIVE
GUNS THAT WEREN'T REGISTERED.
THAT COULD BE LONG GUNS OR GUNS
THAT THEY HAVE ACQUIRED, UH, NOT
LEGALLY. BUT THOSE TWO GUNS THAT
THEY HAD REGISTERED TO HIM THAT
I TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE
AT. THEY SAID SOMETIMES SO THEY
SOLD THEM. THEY WENT THROUGH A
TOUGH PART IN THEIR LIFE. THEY
MIGHT HAVE TRADED IT. THEY NO
LONGER HAVE THOSE GUNS. WE DID
EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO
SEARCH. THE RESIDENTS TRY TO
IDENTIFY THOSE GUNS. EVEN THOUGH
WE SEIZED EIGHT GUNS. THAT
PERSON HAS TO STAY IN APPS
BECAUSE THERE'S TWO GUNS
UNACCOUNTED FOR. SO THAT'S WHEN
THIS PERSON GOES INTO UNABLE TO
CLEAR BECAUSE WE'VE DONE EVERY
INVEST. WE'VE EXHAUSTED EVERY
INVESTIGATIVE LEAD THAT WE CAN
TO ENSURE THAT THAT PERSON
DOESN'T HAVE THE GUNS. UM SO WE
PUT HIM WE CAN'T TAKE THEM OUT.
BUT WE PUT THEM IN OUR APPS. DO
I JUST LEAVE HIM THERE? NO. WE
PUT I'M NOT A COMPUTER PERSON,
BUT A TICKLER, WHICH MEANS THAT
THEY WILL GET RECYCLED. THE THIS
GROUP AFTER THREE YEARS AND PUSH
BACK TO AN ANALYST UNLESS
SOMETHING COMES UP, TRIGGERING
AGAIN THAT PUSHES THEM IN. THEY
JUST DON'T SIT IN THERE FOREVER.
WE LOOK AT THEM AGAIN. WE LOOK
THROUGH. WE PUT A FULL
INVESTIGATIVE PACKAGE TOGETHER
AGAIN TO ENSURE THAT THAT PERSON
NOTHING'S CHANGED. UM AND THEN,
IF ANYTHING IF NOTHING CHANGED.
WE PUT THEM BACK IN. UM IF
SOMETHING CHANGED, THEN WE PUSH
IT BACK TO THE INVESTIGATIVE
TEAMS, AND THEY WORK THAT PERSON
AGAIN. NEXT SLIDE. UH, THIS IS
UNABLE TO CLEAR SO, UH, NOT ONLY
DID UNABLE TO LOCATE MY BAD, UH
SO WE'RE UNABLE TO LOCATE. SO UH
, AGENTS, THE FULL PACKAGE HAVE
GONE TOGETHER. AGENTS HAVE GONE
OUT. UM THE TOUGH PART ABOUT
APPS CASES IS A LOT OF TIMES.
PEOPLE DON'T LIVE AT THEIR LAST
ADDRESS KNOWN TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
, SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME
GOING TO DIFFERENT ADDRESSES.
THIS IS WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING
THAT WE CAN UH, TO TRY TO LOCATE
THIS PERSON AND WE CAN'T FIND
THEM. SO UH, ALL INVESTIGATIVE
LEADS ARE EXHAUSTED. THEY GET
PUT INTO UNABLE TO LOCATE
DIFFERENCE HERE BETWEEN, UH. THE
LAST ONE IS THEY GET A ONE YEAR
TICKLER, SO THEY ONLY GET TO SIT
IN THERE FOR ONE YEAR BEFORE WE
PULL A FULL PACKET ON THEM AGAIN
. UH BUT NOT ONLY DO THEY SIT IN
THERE, BUT WE PUT THEM INTO
OTHER DATABASES THAT WE HAVE
THAT IF ANY NEW ADDRESS COMES UP
THROUGH PUBLIC SOURCE OR LAW
ENFORCEMENT DATABASES, THEY GET
KICKED BACK OVER TO THE ACTIVE
STATUS. NEXT SLIDE. PENDING
CASES CONTINUED. SO UH, THIS IS
WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE PERSON TO
BE OUT OF STATE, AND THERE'S
ABOUT 4000 OF THOSE, UH, WE TOOK
A SUGGESTION FROM THIS GROUP,
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
AND THEN, UH, AH, THE 1500.
THOSE ARE FEDERAL, UH, BRADY
PROHIBITIONS. WE WORK WITH OUR
FEDERAL PARTNERS. BUT AS STATE
LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WE
DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE
A CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AGAINST THEM
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROHIBITED
WITHIN THE STATE, BUT THEY'RE
FEDERALLY PROHIBITED. NEXT SLIDE
. SO THIS IS WHAT APPS HAS DONE
SINCE 2007. 70,000 APPS CASES
INVESTIGATED OVER 35,000
FIREARMS SEIZED. THAT'S AN ABOUT
AN AVERAGE 2500 YEAR. UH 10,000
MAGAZINES NO LONGER IN
CIRCULATION AND MILLIONS OF
ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION OFF THE
STREET. NEXT SLIDE. PICTURES
FROM FROM APPS CASES, UH, WAS A
TYPICAL TYPICAL CASES. UH A LOT
OF TIMES MOST OF THE TIME, WHEN
IF WE WERE GOING OUT, MAYBE ONE
OF THOSE HANDGUNS OR TWO OF
THOSE HANDGUNS WOULD BE IN IN
THEIR APP SYSTEM AND THEN OTHER
GUNS ARE LOCATED DURING THE
INVESTIGATION. NEXT SLIDE. AH
AMMUNITION DENIALS AND APPS SO
GREAT THAT PROP 63 S B 12 35
WERE PASSED. UH THIS GIVES
INVESTIGATORS IN NEW TOOL SO, UH
, SOMEONE GOES IN TO BUY
AMMUNITION AND THEY'RE DENIED.
WE AUTOMATICALLY CHECK THEM
AGAINST APPS. THAT'S HELPS OUR
INVESTIGATORS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE
FRESH INFORMATION. WE VOTE
ALWAYS BEEN ASKED, WHY DON'T YOU
JUST WRITE SEARCH WARRANTS? WHY
DO YOU HAVE TO KNOCK ON PEOPLE'S
DOORS? UM, BECAUSE THE
INFORMATION IN APPS ISN'T
RELIABLE ENOUGH FOR A SEARCH
WARRANT. THIS THEN MAKES IT, UH
, RELIABLE. THE PERSON IS TRYING
TO BUY AMMUNITION THAT THAT
NORMAL PERSON WOULD HAVE TO HAVE
A GUN TO PUT THE AMMUNITION IN.
SO IF THEY'RE IN APPS, THEY
TRIED TO BUY AMMUNITION AND
DENIED WERE ABLE TO WRITE SEARCH
WARRANTS AND GO. UH, CONTACT
THOSE PEOPLE. NEXT SLIDE SOME OF
THE SUCCESSES FROM THIS LAST
YEAR. THE TEAMS CONDUCTED, UH
SIX MAJOR SWEEPS WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT CONDUCTED 2000 CASES
DURING THOSE SWEEPS SEIZED 439
GUNS. UM THIS IS ONE OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THOSE PEOPLE
OUT OF STATE, UH, THAT THIS
COMMITTEE IN THE PAST HAS GIVEN
WE REACHED OUT TO EVERY, UH,
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IN THE
NATION AND EVERY U. S ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE SENT THEM LETTERS LETTING
THEM KNOW THAT THEY HAVE APPS,
UH, PROHIBITED PEOPLE IN THEIR
STATE. AND UH, WILL COORDINATE
WITH THEM AND PROVIDE THE
INFORMATION. UH IF THEY REACH
OUT, SEVERAL STATES HAVE REACHED
OUT. SEVERAL U. S ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE HAVE REACHED OUT AND
WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AS WE
SPEAK. UM DENIAL LETTERS. THIS
IS ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP IN
A PRIOR HEARING. UH WHEN SOMEONE
TRIES TO GO IN AND TRY TO BUY A
FIREARM, UH THEY'RE DENIED. WE
USED TO FACTS. UH THE DENIAL TO
THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SOMETIMES THAT COULD TAKE WEEKS
. NOW WE'RE DOING IT THROUGH E
FAX DAILY. SO LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT POLICE AND SHERIFFS
ARE GETTING DAILY NOTIFICATIONS
IF SOMEONE TRIES TO BUY A
FIREARM IN THEIR AREA OR
AMMUNITION. UM ALSO THE APPS
LIST THE AVAILABILITY OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT. WE'VE HAD THIS
DISCUSSION IN THE PAST ALSO, UH
, THAT USED TO BE PUSHED OUT
MONTHLY TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. UH
NOW WE SEND IT AN UPDATED DAILY
THROUGH THE CLUE, UH, SYSTEM SO
LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS DAILY ACCESS
TO THE APPS, INDIVIDUALS AND
THEIR AREA. AND THEN ALSO, UH,
TRAINING. WE'VE BEEN DOING
TRAINING NOT ONLY ON APPS, BUT A
F S HOW HFS WORKS AND WHY JEFFS
IS SO IMPORTANT, AND DATA ENTRY
IS SO IMPORTANT. NEXT SLIDE. GUN
VIOLENCE REDUCTION PROJECT THIS
WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. THIS WAS
THE FIRST IN 2019 GIVEN OUT TO
THE FOUR COUNTIES. NEXT SLIDE.
2021 IT WAS TWO SETS OF GRANT.
UH FUNDING DISBURSEMENTS. THESE
ARE THE CURRENT PARTICIPATING
COUNTIES, UH CONTRA COSTA LAKE
LOS ANGELES, ORANGE, SACRAMENTO
, SAN FRANCISCO, SANTA BARBARA,
SANTA CLARA, SANTA CRUZ AND
VENTURA. AH THE GRANT RECIPIENTS
, UH, BUT APPLICATIONS TOGETHER
AND THEY WERE AWARDED, UH,
DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF APPS.
UH, PEOPLE THEY HAD IN THEIR
AREA. NEXT SLIDE. WHAT CAN LAW
ENFORCEMENT DUE TO ASSIST? MAKE
SURE THEY'RE INCLUDE. IT'S A
COMMON LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCESS
THAT STATEWIDE KEEPS LAW LAW
ENFORCEMENT CONNECTED.
ESTABLISHED ABSENT VESTING GATED
PRIORITIES. PROACTIVELY
INVESTIGATE CASES. FORWARD
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION TO DOJ
SO WE CAN PUT THEM IN THOSE
APPROPRIATE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT
WE SPENT TIME TALKING ABOUT. AND
THEN THE IMPORTANCE OF A F S IS
REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT ANY GUN SEES THROUGHOUT THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS ENTERED
INTO A THIEF'S WITHIN SEVEN DAYS
, PURSUANT TO PENAL CODE. UH 1,
11 08. RECOMMENDATIONS. LAST
SLIDE. UH, YOU GOT THAT?
ALRIGHT? MICHAEL SO SHE'S GOT
IT. THEY WANTED TO STEAL ALL OF
MY THUNDER. UM SO, YEAH, SO
MOVING ONTO EXACTLY THE FINAL
THING. SO THIS HAS A LONGER LIST
OF RECOMMENDATIONS. IF YOU LOOK
AT THAT REPORT, THE
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN THE
REPORT, BOTH AT THE OUTSET AND
THEN AGAIN IN A LITTLE BIT MORE
DETAIL FURTHER ON I'M JUST GONNA
TALK ABOUT AND SUMMARIZE FOR
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE OVERALL
. YOU KNOW HOW THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE BELIEVES WE CAN REDUCE
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN ABSENCE
SPECIFICALLY ON THE PROHIBITED
PERSONS LIST. SO THE FIRST ONE
IS TO REMOVE FIREARM FIREARMS AT
THE TIME OF PROHIBITION, SO AS
CHIEF MARTIAL INDICATED EVERY
YEAR GIVE OR TAKE 10,000. PEOPLE
ARE ADDED TO THE PROHIBITED
PERSONS LIST ABOUT HALF OF THOSE
AND A LITTLE BIT. MORE THAN HALF
OF THOSE ARE BECAUSE OF A FELONY
OR PROHIBITING MISDEMEANOR,
WHICH MEANS THAT ABOUT 5000
PEOPLE EVERY YEAR ARE STANDING
IN A COURT TOLD THAT THEY CAN NO
LONGER POSSESSED FIREARMS. WE
THE GOVERNMENT GENERALLY KNOWS
THAT THAT PERSON HAS A
REGISTERED FIREARM. WHETHER IT'S
LOOKED UP IN EACH CASE IS
DETERMINED ON THE CASE. BUT WE
KNOW SOMEWHERE AND IT CAN BE
KNOWN AND THEN THAT PERSON IS
EITHER RELEASED WITHOUT ANY
FOLLOW UP OR UM NO PAPERWORK IS
NOT MEANING EITHER. THE GAME CAN
EITHER BE SEIZED IF IT IS
ACTUALLY, UM, IN THAT PERSON'S
POSSESSION OR IN THAT PERSON'S
POSSESSION AT HOME, OR THE
PERSON CAN FILL OUT PAPERWORK
INDICATING THAT SHE OR HE NO
LONGER HAS THE WEAPONS, SO
THAT'S SORT OF WHERE WE BEGIN.
THERE ARE ABOUT 73 BUREAU OF
FIREARMS AGENTS IN YEAH. AT THE
BUREAU OF FIREARMS IN THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA. THEY'RE JUST
ABOUT 70,000 LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. YOU KNOW,
REALLY, THE BEGINNING IS THAT WE
NEED TO FOCUS ON RELINQUISHING
FIREARMS. AT THE TIME OF
PROHIBITION. WE COMMEND THE WORK
OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT
IS SIMPLY NOT SOMETHING THAT
ULTIMATELY A BUREAU OF, YOU
KNOW, LESS THAN 100 AGENTS IS
GOING TO BE ABLE TO YOU KNOW,
GET THROUGH EVERYTHING EVERY
SINGLE YEAR AND. AND ONE THING I
DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT CHIEF
MARSH MENTIONED IS EXACTLY NOT
ONLY IS THAT A LOT, BUT ALSO THE
INFORMATION COMES IN AND IS
STALE AFTER A WHILE, MEANING
THAT AT THAT TIME OF
PROHIBITION, PERSONS PUT ON
PROBATION, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT
HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT
THAT PERSON BY THE TIME IT MAKES
ITS WAY TO US. AS CHIEF MARKS
SAID. WE DON'T HAVE. WE CAN'T
NECESSARILY GO IN. IF THEY'RE ON
PROBATION. WE CAN PARTNER WITH
PROBATION AND DO A PROBATION
SEARCH. BUT IN MANY INSTANCES WE
DON'T HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR A
WARRANT. THE GUN WAS PURCHASED
YEARS AGO. A JUDGE IS NOT GOING
TO SIGN A WARRANT FOR SOMETHING
THAT SAYS THIS GUY BOUGHT A GUN
10 YEARS AGO WAS BECAME
PROHIBITED THREE YEARS AGO. AND
WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER
INFORMATION ABOUT THE FIREARMS.
SO WHAT THESE AGENTS ARE DOING
IS GOING KNOCKING ON DOORS AND
REALLY DOING THE BEST THAT THEY
CAN TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO GIVE
UP THEIR FIREARM TO ALLOW FOR A
CONSENT SEARCH AND THAT'S A LOT
OF THE WORK. IT'S A LOT OF
DRIVING AROUND. IT'S A LOT OF
WAITING, AND IT'S A LOT OF
REALLY, YOU KNOW, USING
INTERPERSONAL SKILLS TO TRY AND
CONVINCE PEOPLE TO GIVE UP GIVE
UP THEIR FIREARMS. LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT, LOCAL COURTS,
PROBATION DEPARTMENTS DÍAS
OFFICES. WE WELCOME THE
PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM TO DO THIS
. NOT ONLY IS THE SAFEST OPTION
, BUT EXACTLY IT MEANS THAT
WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCREASE THAT
NUMBER A COUPLE OF WAYS THAT
THIS COULD BE DONE, UM AND IN
MANY INSTANCES IS BEING DONE.
COURTS AND DÍAS CAN CREATE
PROGRAMS TO ENSURE THAT ANYONE
CONVICTED ABOUT PROHIBITING
EXCUSE ME. PROHIBITING OFFENSE
SHOWS PROOF OF RELINQUISHMENT OF
THE FIREARMS AT OR NEAR THE TIME
OF PROHIBITION, PROBATION
OFFICERS CAN WORK TO RETRIEVE
THE FIREARM, EITHER BY CONSENT
OR BY A PROBATION SEARCH SHORTLY
AFTER THE TIME OF THE CONVICTION
AND TRYING TO DECREASE AGAIN
THAT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT A
PRIVATE PERSON IS IN POSSESSION.
AND THEN LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
TASK FORCES CAN WORK WITH OTHER
ENTITIES. PROBATION DÍAS OFFICES
TO WORK TO REMOVE THESE
FIREARMS. JUST A NOTE ON THAT
CHAIR. PETRIE-NORRIS YOU ASKED
ABOUT THE GUN VIOLENCE REDUCTION
PROGRAM GRANTS, SO THERE WERE
THAT THE DEPARTMENT ISSUE. THERE
WERE TWO TRANCHES OF MONEY ABOUT
$5 MILLION EACH YEAR. UM THE
FIRST WE RECEIVED 14
APPLICATIONS FOR 10 SLOTS. THAT
$5 MILLION. IT HASN'T ALL BEEN
DISTRIBUTED. WELL I GUESS NOW IT
WOULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE IT'S A
TWO YEAR TO YOUR GRANT THE
SECOND TRENCH. WE ONLY RECEIVED
SIX APPLICATIONS FOR 10 SLOTS.
BOTH YEARS WE EXTENDED THE
APPLICATION DEADLINE. WE DID
EXTENSIVE OUTREACH. OBVIOUSLY WE
CAN'T DO TARGETED OUTREACH. WE
DID EXTENSIVE OUTREACH TO
EVERYBODY TO TRY AND CONVINCE
SHERIFF'S OFFICES TO APPLY FOR
THAT MONEY WE DID. WE ONLY
RECEIVED SIX APPLICATIONS. ONE
DID NOT QUALIFY. WE GAVE OUT 55
APPLICATIONS OR FIVE GRAND'S
RATHER SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON. BUT
YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE NEED THE
PARTICIPATION OF LOCALS THERE,
AND I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE
SAN DIEGO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
THE SAN DIEGO CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE ARE HERE. THEY HAVE A
GREAT PROGRAM THAT WORKS NOT
ONLY TO GET BROS. BUT TO DO THE
HARD WORK OF THEN GOING TO
RETRIEVE THE FIREARM, AND THAT'S
JUST A CLASSIC AND PERFECT
EXAMPLE OF A PARTNERSHIP TO
PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER TO AGAIN
GET THAT PROHIBITION AND THEN
RETRIEVE THE FIREARM. SO THAT'S
THE FIRST HIGH LEVEL
RECOMMENDATION. SECOND IS AND
THESE NEXT VIEWER TEAR THROUGH A
LITTLE BIT QUICKER, BUT THE
SECOND IS THE FIREARMS
MODERNIZATION PROJECT. AS CHIEF
MARSH DISCUSSED WE WERE THE
FIRST ONE TO BUILD THE SYSTEM.
THE SYSTEM WAS BUILT 20 ISH
YEARS AGO. IT IS OUT OF DATE,
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT
SYSTEMS. THESE SYSTEMS DO NOT
COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER IN
ORDER TO GET UPDATED INFORMATION
, WHICH IS RELEVANT TO BOTH.
WHETHER THE PERSON REMAINS
PROHIBITED WHETHER THEY STILL
LIVE AT THAT ADDRESS. TAKES A
LOT OF GROUNDWORK AND GOING FROM
SYSTEM TO SYSTEM TO PULL IT. WE
ARE IN THE PROCESS OF
MODERNIZING THAT SYSTEM SO THAT
WE'RE ABLE TO NOT HAVE THAT BE
SUCH A TEDIOUS PROCESS AND WE
CAN GET TO THE MEAT OF TRYING TO
TAKE FIREARMS FROM PROHIBITED
INDIVIDUALS. I DO WANT TO THANK
THE GOVERNOR AND, OF COURSE, THE
LEGISLATURE FOR CONTINUING TO
INVEST. IN THAT PROJECT. THIRD
LOCAL PARTNERSHIPS. AND SO EVEN
IF WE SHIFT MORE OF THIS TWO
FRONT AND RELINQUISHMENT,
THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE APPS
WORK TAKING PLACE AT THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, OBVIOUSLY
VERY, VERY MUCH VALUES THAT WORK
AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT. WE
HOPE TO PARTNERSHIP WITH EXCUSE
ME PARTNER WITH LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT. DÍAS COURTS
PROBATION, ANYBODY TO DO THE
KINDS OF SWEETS. CHIEF MARCH
DISCUSSED THOSE SWEEPS ARE
BETTER WHEN EVERYBODY WORKS
TOGETHER AND INCREASES THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE CAN
HAVE AND INCREASES THE
CAPABILITIES AND THEN FOURTH AND
FINALLY AND THIS IS AGAIN
DISCUSSED IN THE APSE REPORT,
BUT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION OF
BUREAU FARM ARMS AGENTS ARE
SPECIAL AGENTS ARE THE FINEST
LAW ENFORCEMENT IN ALL OF
CALIFORNIA. EVERY DAY, THEY PUT
THEIR LIVES AND HARMS AWAY QUITE
LITERALLY GOING DOOR TO DOOR TO
INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY KNOW TO BE
PROHIBITED IN POTENTIALLY ARMED
TO SEIZE THESE FIREARMS, AND
IT'S LAUDABLE, COMMENDABLE,
HEROIC WORK, BUT IT DOES NOT
COME WITHOUT SOME SACRIFICE AT
ANY TIME. THE BUREAU FIREARMS
HAS VACANCIES. CURRENTLY, THERE
ARE 56 AGENTS AND 17 VACANCIES.
ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS IS
THAT THE PAY IS NOT COMPETITIVE
WITH OTHER LARGE LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES AND OTHER STATEWIDE
AGENCIES. MISS TURNOVER MEANS
TWO THINGS PRIMARILY ONE IS, OF
COURSE, THAT WE ARE REGULARLY
UNDERSTAFFED AND WE REGULARLY
HAVE VACANCIES TO WE SPEND A LOT
OF TIME RECRUITING, TRAINING AND
. BRINGING NEW AGENTS INTO THE
FIELD. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT
OF OUR TIME THAT 12% INCREASE
THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2021 BY THE
LEGISLATURE WAS A HUGE HELP, AND
WE ARE CERTAINLY VERY
APPRECIATIVE. BUT WITHOUT
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. THIS WILL
CONTINUE TO BE A PROBLEM. WE
WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE AGENTS TO
OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
WHERE ESPECIALLY YOUNG AGE YOUNG
AGENTS WITH YOUNG CHILDREN SEE
THAT THEY CAN GET A PAY INCREASE
BY GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY
ARE CATEGORICALLY GOING TO
CONTINUE TO LEAVE THE
DEPARTMENT. SO IN SOME, I WOULD
JUST SAY THERE IS NO PANACEA.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY TRUE OF ALL
FIREARMS WORK. NO ONE LAW WILL
FIX EVERYTHING. BUT IF WE FOCUS
ON THESE TOPICS THAT WE'VE
DISCUSSED TODAY, RELINQUISHMENT
AT THE TIME OF PROHIBITION,
MODERNIZING OUR SYSTEMS.
CONTINUING TO BUILD STATE AND
LOCAL PARTNERSHIPS. WE CAN
CONTINUE TO RUSE, THE NUMBER OF
INDIVIDUALS ON THE PROHIBITED
PERSONS LIST WITH THAT CHAIR,
WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS OR WE CAN
DIVERT TO LATER AND I WANT TO
WANT TO THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN
HERE 10 YEARS AND I THINK MR
LACKEY HAS BEEN WITH ME FOR A
LARGE PART OF THAT. AH, THIS IS
PROBABLY BEEN THE MOST UM
EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT.
EXPLANATION. OF WHAT YOU DO. AND
I THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO I'M
GOING TO ASK. CAN YOU GET US
THOSE SLIDES? SO THAT WE CAN
LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE AND I'LL
GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. UM I'LL
GIVE IT. A NAME IS PROBABLY NOT
THE RIGHT NAME, BUT YOU HAVE
WHAT I WOULD CALL IT REPEAT
CUSTOMERS. SO THE EXPLANATION
THAT THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE UP
GOING INTO A HOME SEASON THREE
WEAPONS THAT WERE ON THE LIST
THAT YOU KNEW THEY HAD, BUT YOU
DIDN'T GOT FIVE OTHER FIREARMS,
BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM ON THE
LIST BECAUSE THERE'S TOO THAT
DIDN'T UM, THAT YOU JUST
COULDN'T FIND AND WHATEVER THE
REASON OR RATIONALE, YOU KEEP IT
ON THAT. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK
WE'VE BEEN BEATING UP DOJ
BECAUSE OF THE BACKLOG. I THINK
THAT ADDS TO YOUR BACKLOG AND
MAYBE IN SOME MINDS YOU DID THE
BEST YOU COULD, AND YOU SHOULD
TAKE THEM OFF. BUT YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN'T TAKE THEM OFF BECAUSE
OF SAFETY TO THE PUBLIC. SO
YOU'RE IN A CATCH 22 SITUATION
AND MAYBE THAT'S A SIDE. DATA
POINT WE NEED TO PUT ON BECAUSE
YOU ARE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE ON APPS. OR YOU'VE AT
LEAST COME IN CONTACT TO REDUCE
THAT NUMBER, BUT BECAUSE OF THE
METHODOLOGY YOU HAVE TO USE YOU
CAN'T REALLY IT'S LIKE ONE STEP
FORWARD TWO STEPS BACK, AND
THAT'S GOT TO BE EXTREMELY
FRUSTRATING. UM AND SO I WANT TO
KNOW ABOUT. YOU KNOW THAT. PLUS
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FBI
AND THE FBI. BUT THE FEDERAL
ARMS. YOU GOT TO KEEP THAT ON
BECAUSE KEEP THOSE NAMES ON
BECAUSE FEDERALLY YOU'RE
REQUIRED TO, BUT YOU MAY NOT BE
ABLE TO HIM TO TAKE CARE OF IT
TO REDUCE IT, WHICH THEN KEEPS
YOUR NUMBERS HIGH. WHICH
PROBABLY ISN'T FAIR FOR US. HE
IS THE SORT OF SAYING TO PUT
THAT BURDEN ON YOU WHEN MAYBE
THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO THE TWO
THE SO IF YOU COULD. WE CAN
THINK THROUGH THAT AGAIN. MAKE
SURE WE KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFE.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW,
UM, THE SALARY DELTA. BETWEEN
YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE GAVE YOU
MONEY, BUT IT STILL WASN'T
ENOUGH. SO LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT
THAT NUMBER IS. OR ARE WE
TALKING ABOUT? $10,000
DIFFERENCE AT $20,000
DIFFERENCE. GOD FORBID, IF IT'S
LIKE A $50,000 DIFFERENCE, AND I
KNOW YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET
ANYBODY. UM COME IN, BUT OR TO
RETAIN. AND SO IT WOULD BE GOOD
FOR US, SO WE DON'T JUST GIVE
YOU A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME THAT
WE ACTUALLY SOLVE THIS PROBLEM
SO YOU CAN GET THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE YOU NEED 17 VACANCIES AND
, YOU KNOW, KEEP INCREASING. BUT
IF WE CAN PLUG THAT IN SOME
SUBSTANTIVE WAY OR FIGURE OUT A
WAY TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T LOSE
PEOPLE BECAUSE OF MONEY. UM,
BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE
PEOPLE WHO STAY OR DOING IT
BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN WHAT
THEY'RE DOING. THAT WE NEED TO
KEEP THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY
BELIEVE IN IT. SO I IF YOU HAVE
ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE
A BETTER WAY TO LOOK AT THE
BACKLOG BECAUSE THAT'S THE CRUX
OF WHAT UM, I'VE BEEN DEALING
WITH FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. UM,
YOU GUYS COME BACK. AND YOU KNOW
YOU TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF
PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A LOT
OF PEOPLE OFF. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE
YOU KNOW YOU GET 5000. BUT THEN
THERE'S 6000 WE HAD ON SO, UH,
IF YOU CAN GIVE US A BETTER
CLARITY ON OR MAYBE WHO KEEPS
COMING BACK ON OR WHO? THE NEW
PEOPLE THAT COME ON. AND WHY IS
IT I MEAN, I ALSO SAW THE DATA
POINTS YOU HAD, UM, WHETHER IT'S
I MEAN MOST OF ITS FELONIES, BUT
YOU HAD OTHER CATEGORIES IN
THERE, WHICH ONE IS SPIKING.
THIS. THE MOST THAT SO THAT WE
CAN WE CAN BETTER FOCUS LIKE A
LASER ON HOW WE CAN REDUCE THE
ABSOLUTE AND I'D PROBABLY ASK
YOU THREE QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW
I FEEL LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT
THE BUREAU TRIED TO DO IS TO
REALLY LOOK AT. WHAT AN ACTIVE
CASES YEAH. THE REASON WE DON'T
TAKE THEM OUT IS GOD FORBID. YOU
KNOW, THE GUY HAD THE GUN AT HIS
GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE AND THEN
WENT AND GOT THAT GUN BACK, AND
WE TOOK THEM OUT OF THE LIST,
AND NOW HE HAS THE GUN AGAIN. UH
THERE'S WAYS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO
GET OUT OF THE SYSTEM, AND WE
SHOULD WE HELP THEM ANY WAY WE
CAN, BUT THEY THEY HAVE TO TAKE
THE ACTION, RIGHT? THEY HAVE TO
SAY I SOLD THIS GUN. THEY HAVE
TO GO TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND FILL OUT A FORM SAYING THAT
YES, I TRANSFERRED HERE. I NO
LONGER HAVE THIS GUN. WE HAVE
THINGS ON OUR WEBSITE THAT THEY
CAN SIGN UNDER THE PENALTY OF
PERJURY THAT THEY NO LONGER HAVE
THAT GUN AND THAT HELPS PULL
THEM OUT OF THE SYSTEM, AND WE
WORK THROUGH THEM WITH WITH
THOSE ISSUES, BUT SOME PEOPLE,
UH, ARE NOT GONNA DO IT, SO WE
LEAVE THEM IN, SO WE TRY TO LOOK
AT THAT ACTIVE NUMBER IS WHAT'S
REALLY THERE, AND IT'S ABOUT
10,000 YEARS, TURNING 10,000.
PEOPLE COME IN, BUT WE TAKE
10,000 OUT. SO IT'S JUST THAT
CHURNING NUMBER SO YOU WERE
NEVER GOING TO GET IT TO ZERO
BECAUSE PEOPLE COME IN EVERY DAY
AND THEY GO OUT EVERY DAY. AND
IT'S A YEAR BY YEAR. THAT 10,000
IS STAYING CONSISTENT BECAUSE
NEW PEOPLE ARE COMING IN. WE'RE
INVESTIGATING. THEY'RE GOING
DOWN, SO IT'S THAT CHURNING
NUMBER, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT WE
CAN DO TO TRY TO PROVIDE MORE
CLARITY TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE,
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS
TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. I WANT
TO KEEP THAT NUMBER. HEY THIS IS
REALLY THE NUMBER 24,000 BECAUSE
YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE DONE
INTERDICTION ON, YOU KNOW 14
15,000 PEOPLE. UH NOW IT'S UP TO
THEM TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP OR
HOW DO WE GET THEM THE REST OF
THE WAY OUT OF THE SYSTEM, AND,
UH, SOME OF THE LANDS ON THEM.
OKAY. MAYBE THAT'S THE
DISCUSSION WE HAD AND IT'S JUST
THE SALARY KIND OF A STATE
SECRET OR. OH THE SOUTH. THIS
SALARIES. YEAH. THE 12% WAS
FANTASTIC. UH, I ALWAYS LIKE TO
REFER BACK TO MR LACKEY IF I
COULD GET MY AGENTS TO CHP
LEGISLATIVE WITHIN, YOU KNOW
THAT THAT, UH, STAY SO THEY
DON'T HAVE TO BARGAIN AND, UH,
IT'S A IT'S A BARGAINING ISSUE,
BUT IT'S A RETENTION ISSUE. BUT
I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE
SAYING I HAVE A 35% VACANCY
RATE. UM AT 23. SO WE'RE WORKING
REALLY HARD TO RECRUIT? UM BUT
IT'S HARDER BECAUSE WE ARE BELOW
. YOU KNOW THE STATE AVERAGE SO
BUT WE HAVE THAT DATA HUMAN
RESOURCES TO ME. OF COURSE, LIKE
TO LOOK AT IT. OF COURSE. THANK
YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. UH
MISS DAVIS AND THEN, MR LACKEY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MARRIAGE. I KNOW YOU'VE TOUCHED
UPON THIS LITTLE BIT. BUT IN
YOUR OPINION, WHAT MORE
INVESTIGATIVE INFORMATION CAN
YOU PROVIDE? OR DO YOU THINK
WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES REGARDING
PEOPLE LEGALLY POSSESSING
FIREARMS? YEAH, AND THIS GOES
BACK TO THAT THE SYSTEM. IT IS
THE BEST IN THE NATION. BUT
MOSTLY ANTIQUATED AT THE SAME
TIME, IT'S LIKE THIS VERY
DIFFICULT. WE BUILT IT AS A ONE
WAY SYSTEM, AND WE COME BEFORE
THE COMMITTEE AND EVERYBODY
WANTS ALL THIS DATA. IT DOESN'T
GIVE US DATA. IT DOESN'T PRESENT
INFORMATION FOR LOCALS TO GET
IT. THAT'S OUR GOAL. WHEN WE DO
THIS FIREARMS MODIFICATION THAT
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SYSTEM
THAT EVERYBODY EVERYBODY IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT CAN ACCESS AND BE
ABLE TO PUT NOTES AND EVERYBODY
WORKED TOGETHER RIGHT NOW. IT
DOESN'T DO THAT. SO FUNDING TO
GET THIS UPGRADED. BIG TIME TO
BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU REALLY
NEED TO DO. YEAH, AND WE'RE
WORKING TOWARDS IT RIGHT IN THE
PROCESS. AND RIGHT NOW, THE
HEAVY LIST LIFT FOR LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT IS YOU. YOU HAVE A
NAME? AND A GUN, AND IT TAKES A
LOT OF INVESTIGATIVE WORK TO DO
IT. IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN JUST
HANDED THAT TO A PATROL GUY AND
SAY, HEY, GO GET THIS GUY
BECAUSE HE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL
TELL YOU THEIR FRUSTRATION. THEY
RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES BECAUSE
IT'S GOT A NAME AND DATE OF
BIRTH AND IT'S YOU KNOW, IT
TAKES A LOT OF INVESTIGATIVE
WORK TO PUT THESE PACKETS
TOGETHER. AND THAT'S THE
DISCONNECT RIGHT NOW WITH WITH
THE LOCALS, AND ONCE WE GET THE
SYSTEM UPDATED, IT'S GOING TO BE
FANTASTIC FOR EVERYBODY, BUT
WE'RE NOT THERE. IF I'M A SECOND
QUESTION, YOU TALK ABOUT FUNDING
FOR THE AGENCIES. BUT YOU'RE OUT
THERE PROMOTING THAT. THE
FUNDING IS THERE AND THEY'RE
STILL FUNDING SITTING THERE
BECAUSE IT'S AGENCIES. WHAT IS
IT THE WHY IS IT THE AGENCIES
ARE GOING LOCAL AGENCIES AREN'T
APPLYING FOR THIS. SURE IT'S A
GOOD QUESTION, AND IT'S A
DIFFICULT ONE. OBVIOUSLY YOU
KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SAY EXACTLY
WHERE THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE
THERE ARE 58 LOCAL SHERIFFS THAT
THAT COULD HAVE APPLIED FOR IT.
UM A COUPLE OF THINGS AND WE WON
IS PRIORITIES. ONE IS, YOU KNOW,
MOVING IT UP THE PRIORITY CHAIN
TOO, IS YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS
TOUGH, BUT THESE INDIVIDUAL
TRANCHES OF MONEY. ARE TOUGH FOR
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OR ANY LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCY BECAUSE AS
CHIEF MARKS TALKED ABOUT. THIS
IS HARD WORK, AND IT REQUIRES
OFFICERS AND AGENTS AND WE CAN'T
HIRE PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY, YOU'RE
GONNA BE HERE FOR TWO YEARS AND
THEN WE LOSE THE FUNDING AND
THEN YOU'RE GOING BACK TO WHERE
YOU CAME FROM. EXACTLY THESE
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AND
SAYING WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT SO
THEY MIGHT BE IN A POSITION
WHERE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO TAKE
THAT MONEY AND UTILIZE IT IN A
WAY AND THEN AND THEN THE LAST
ONE IS THAT IT IT IS HARD WORK.
I MEAN, CHAIR JOHN SORIA. YOU
TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OR YOU
HONED IN ON THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH
THE PERSON WHO WHO REMAINS IN
APPS BECAUSE THEY STILL GOT TO
FIREARMS TO THE NAME. YOU KNOW,
IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION. HOW MUCH
TIME WE WANT TO INVEST IN THAT
WE'VE GOT NEW PEOPLE COMING ONTO
THE SYSTEM EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND
THEN WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO
CLAIMS AT LEAST THAT THAT THE
FIREARMS AREN'T THERE. YOU KNOW?
HOW OFTEN DO WE WANT TO SEND
AGENTS OUT TO THE DOOR TO GET
THAT AND I THINK LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT DEALS WITH A VERY
SIMILAR ISSUE WHERE YOU KNOW?
JUST TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR.
THEY ARE DOING INCREDIBLE WORK
TO STOP THE CRIME. INVESTIGATE
THE CRIME THAT'S HAPPENING THERE
. OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW, WE HAVE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL THINKS THAT
THIS IS A TOP PRIORITY BECAUSE
THIS CAN REDUCE VIOLENCE BY
TAKING FIREARMS AWAY FROM PEOPLE
, BUT IT'S ALSO A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING
WITH. WE'RE NOT INVESTIGATING
ROBBERIES DOWN THE STREET IN THE
SAME WAY THAT WE ARE WE HAVE A
BUREAU FIREARMS. AND WE CAN GO
GET IT. THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH
OTHER CASES THERE, TOO, AND HAVE
TO JUSTIFY TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE
CASE OF SHERIFFS, YOU KNOW THEIR
CONSTITUENTS WHY THEY'RE
PRIORITIZING THIS WORK WHEN
THERE ARE CRIMES OCCURRING, SO
IT'S A TOUGH, TOUGH QUESTION FOR
THAT. JUST ONE MORE AD IT WAS
RESTRICTIVE. THE GRANT FUNDING
WAS RESTRICTED. WE HAVE YOU KNOW
400. LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
AND 58 SHERIFF'S SO IF WE COULD
EXPAND NEXT TIME AROUND, MAYBE
IF WE CAN EXPAND IT ALL ALONG
FORCE MINT, UH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE
TO SPREAD SPREAD IT OUT A LITTLE
BIT MORE FINAL COMMENT WITH THAT
, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
ESPECIALLY DURING COVID. WE WERE
TRYING TO GET MENTAL HEALTH
INSTRUCTORS INTO OUR SCHOOLS.
BUT WHEN YOU GOT TO SAY WE'RE
GOING TO DO ONE TIME FUNDING, NO
ONE'S GOING TO GO AHEAD AND QUIT
THEIR JOB AND SEND ME TO TAKE
THE SUN. KNOWING THAT I WON'T
EVEN HIT. I MAY NOT HAVE A JOB
NEXT YEAR, AND I THINK THAT'S
THE CONCERN. WE'VE GOT NUMBERS
LIKE THIS. WE NEED TO ACTUALLY
FIGURE HERE'S MONEY FOR THREE
YEARS. YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU CAN
GO AND DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'RE AT
GROUND ZERO, AND WE'RE STARTING
FROM THERE, BUT WE CAN'T JUST
FUND ONE YEAR. IT'S NOT WORKING.
WE SEE THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE
TO GET GOOD HELP TRAIN STAFF
THAT KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT OBTAINABLE TO
DO THIS IN ONE YEAR, AND YET WE
FUND SOMETIMES LIKE THAT, SO WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING
THE FUNDING AND THE TIME THAT
YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY MAKE THIS
WORK AND GET, UM GOOD STAFF AND
BE ABLE TO GET THE JOB DONE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR LACKEY
AND RESPONDED. THANK YOU. I WANT
TO. FIRST OF ALL, COMMEND YOU
FOR THAT INFORMATION. IT WAS
VERY, VERY HELPFUL. SOME OF
THOSE EXPLANATIONS I'VE NEVER
HEARD BEFORE, AND THE UNABLE TO
CLEAR THE UNABLE TO LOCATE AND
DEPENDING IT'S STILL VERY
UNCLEAR TO ME AND I HOPE YOU CAN
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ACTIVE
VERSUS A PENDING CASE. BECAUSE I
THINK THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE
MISUNDERSTANDING TRULY EXISTS.
BY THOSE OF US WHO ARE DEALING
WITH THIS POLICIES. AND IT'S NOT
CLEAR TO ME THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN A PENDING CASE AND AN
ACTIVE CASE. YEAH MAYBE YOU CAN
HELP ME UNDERSTAND? I THINK I
CAN DIFFERENTIATION BECAUSE IT'S
VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT I
UNDERSTAND IT SO PENDING WE DID
SOMETHING. ACTIVE HASN'T BEEN
WORKED YET. SO THAT ACTIVE GROUP
OF ABOUT 10,000. THERE'S BEEN NO
LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION YET. I
MEAN, THERE COULD BE PACKETS OR
INVESTIGATIVE, BUT NOBODY'S BEEN
CONTACTED. BUT IS THERE A REASON
WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED
? YOU JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO
THEM? YES. OKAY SO THERE IS FOR
ME TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE
SYSTEM. THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN
PULLED OUT YET, OK? PENDING. IS
ENFORCEMENTS GONE OUT OUT THERE
AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT I
EXPLAINED, ENTANGLEMENT STILL
CAN'T GET YOU OUT. OR WE CAN'T
FIND YOU OR YOU'RE OUT OF THE
STATE. SO BUT WE TOOK A LONG
FORCE MINT ACTION THAT MAKES
SENSE. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
SECONDLY UM, ARE THERE ANY
STATISTICS THAT HAVE BEEN KEPT
ON THE SUCCESSES? BY TRACING
AMMUNITION. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW
THAT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW. HOW
MANY PEOPLE YOU'VE ACTUALLY BEEN
ABLE TO RECOVER THROUGH
ATTEMPTED AMMUNITION PURCHASES
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A VERY
VALUABLE TOOL. ARE WE HAVING
REAL SUCCESS OR JUST HAVING A
LITTLE BIT OF SUCCESS OR I WOULD
LOVE TO KNOW THAT. I THINK
THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW. DATA'S
THERE. I'M ALMOST SURE IT'S
GOING TO BE IN OUR OUR NEW
REPORT. AND IF NOT, I'LL GET YOU
THE DATA THAT'S FAIR. AND MY
FINAL COMMENT HAS TO DO WITH YOU
KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
BECOMING COMPETITIVE IN THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT WORLD. UM. IN CASE
YOU WEREN'T AWARE, AND I THINK
EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS
PROBABLY WHERE THE MORALE
AMONGST LAW ENFORCEMENT IS QUITE
LOW. RIGHT NOW, AGENCIES ARE
HAVING TROUBLE. FINDING GOOD
QUALIFIED CANDIDATES BECAUSE THE
INCENTIVE HAS BEEN THWARTED
SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS FOR A NUMBER OF
REASONS. AND, UH, I FEEL LIKE
THEY ASKED TO TRY TO DO PAY
INCREASES. IT'S BEYOND THAT.
IT'S BEYOND JUST SALARY RIGHT
NOW. IT'S ACTUALLY YOU KNOW. I
THINK ALL AGENCIES ARE HAVING
REAL TROUBLE. FINDING THE
SERVANT'S HEART BECAUSE THAT'S
REALLY WHEN YOU GET GOOD LAW
ENFORCEMENT. AND YOU KNOW,
SALARY INCREASES ARE NOT
IRRELEVANT SALARY AS AS TRULY AN
ISSUE. IT'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE.
AND I THINK SOCIETY NEEDS TO
RECOGNIZE THIS FACT. THAT, UH,
EVERYBODY HURTS. WHEN WE
DEMONIZE AN ENTIRE PROFESSION
BECAUSE OF THE MISCONDUCT OF A
FEW AND, UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE
THAT POINT. VERY, VERY CLEAR.
BECAUSE I THINK IT DESERVES TO
BE SAD. AND I WISH IT'S ALL WELL
AND WHEN I SAY US, I I'M A
RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT
PROFESSIONAL. VERY PROUD OF
THAT. AND I'M VERY SADDENED TO
SEE THE CONDITION THAT IS ERODED
AND YOU'RE IMPACTED BY IT AS
WELL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALK
ABOUT THE DELTA THAT EXISTS
BETWEEN THAT AGENCY AND OTHER
AGENCIES. THAT'S A VERY COMPLEX
ISSUE THAT THAT THAT'S A
NEGOTIATED PEACE. AND I THINK
THE LEGISLATURE CAN PLAY A ROLE,
BUT THAT IT'S BEYOND US. AND
THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO
SAY, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE
THOSE COMMENTS AND FEEL IT EVERY
DAY AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH
THE BIGGEST POLICE DEPARTMENTS
THAT THE CHIEFS AND THAT ARE
GETTING PAID VERY WELL. AND
THEY'RE SAYING THE SAME THING
THAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT? IT'S
GETTING CANDIDATES. I CAN PAY
YOU A MILLION DOLLARS BUT
GETTING SOMEONE TO GET INTO A
PROFESSION THAT ISN'T HELD AS
HIGH AS IT ONCE WAS, IS CAUSING
DIFFICULTIES FOR EVERYBODY. AND
SO I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS
AND BRINGING THAT UP. MS BARTON.
I WANTED TO JUST CALL IN A
LITTLE BIT ON THE NATURE OF THE
PENDING CASES, WHICH I THINK IS
THANKS TO REALLY FOCUS IT ON IN
MY DISTRICT OPENED AWFUL. WE
WERE ONE OF THE MASS SHOOTINGS
THAT HAPPENED 154 HOMICIDES AS A
MAJORITY OF WHICH WERE CAUSED BY
OR WHERE THERE WAS INVOLVED IN
IN THOSE IN THOSE DEATHS. UM IT
STRIKES ME THAT THERE'S A TITLE
LIKE ISSUE THAT WE'RE THAT'S
INCREDIBLY CONCERNING RIGHT
THERE. 62% OF THE PENDING CASES
ARE EITHER UNABLE TO CLEAR OR
UNABLE TO LOCATE WHERE IT SEEMS
LIKE, UM, INQUIRES INCREDIBLE
INVESTIGATIVE ENERGY TO BE ABLE
TO DIG INTO THAT, AND IT REALLY
HAS TO DO THANK YOU. IT REALLY
HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT
TIME HAS PASSED AND INFORMATION
HAS GONE STILL. AND IF YOU ADD
THE, UM THE 27% THAT WENT OUT OF
STATE KIND OF INCREASES THAT
NUMBER SO I REALLY WANT TO
APPRECIATE THE DIRECT ONE OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU MADE OF
, INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH ALL OF
THIS EXPOSED WHERE TIME IS NOT
ON OUR SIDE, AND WE'VE ALLOWED
THOSE GUNS TAKE CONTINUE TO
EXIST, WHAT WE CAN DO TO, REALLY
BUT YOURSELF UP, YOU KNOW THE
TIME IN HAND WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN
FRONT OF US TO BE ABLE TO TAKE
TAKE WEAPONS OUT ABOUT OUT OF
OUR COMMUNITIES, SO I JUST
WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT
MORE AIRTIME BECAUSE I THOUGHT
THE RECOMMENDATION WAS REALLY,
UM, QUITE FITTING TO REALLY
FOCUS IN ON SOMETHING THAT
CAPITALIZES ON MORE IMMEDIACY
AND URGENCY THAT WOULD ACTUALLY
REDUCE SIGNIFICANTLY. UH IF WE
WERE ABLE TO DO THIS BY 89% THE
NUMBER OF PENDING CASES THAT YOU
HAVE ABSOLUTELY AND OBVIOUSLY,
YOU KNOW, WE AGREE THERE. UM YOU
KNOW, I THINK EXAMPLES THAT I
WOULD THROW OUT IS THERE ARE
PLACES YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN THE
STATE WHERE THIS IS HAPPENING,
AND THIS IS WORKING. I WAS A
DEPUTY, D A. AND SAN MATEO
COUNTY WHEN PROP 63 PAST WHAT WE
WOULD DO AS D A S, WE WOULD GO
RUN PEOPLE OUT IN THE SYSTEM TO
SEE IF THEY HAD A REGISTERED
FIREARMS IF I WAS GOING
DOWNSTAIRS TO TAKE A FELONY PLEA
, AND I KNEW THAT PERSON WAS
GOING TO BECOME PROHIBITED THAT
AFTERNOON, I WOULD RUN THEM OUT.
I WOULD GO DOWN THERE THE
COURTS, WE SET UP A SYSTEM THE
COURTS KNEW ABOUT IT. I WOULD
SAY AFTER THE PERSON ENTERED
THEIR FELONY PLEA, I WOULD SAY,
YOUR HONOR, I RUN THIS PERSON
OUT. THEY'VE GOT A REGISTERED
FIREARM TO HIM. THE COURT WOULD
TAKE IT. IT WOULD SAY YOU'RE 21
DAYS TO SHOW PROOF THAT YOU HAVE
RELINQUISHED THIS FIREARM. COME
BACK IN 21 DAYS ORDERED BACK TO
COURT HERE TODAY. IT TOOK
RESOURCES. IT TOOK COORDINATION
, BUT IT WASN'T A MASSIVE,
ONEROUS SYSTEM. BUT IT HELPED US
ADDRESS THAT AT THE FRONT END.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S WAYS TO EXPAND
THAT PARTNERING WITH PROBATION
IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO ON IT
AND COURTS, YOU KNOW COULD AND
DID ORDER. PROBATION SEARCHES
WERE SUGGEST PROBATION SEARCHES.
YOU KNOW IF THERE WASN'T REALLY
BUSHMEN IN SOME REASON TO
BELIEVE THAT THE FIREARM WAS
STILL IN THE POSSESSION, SANTA
CLARA D. A S OFFICE HAS HAS A
GREAT PROGRAM THAT THEY RUN.
THEY DO A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS
TO REDUCE AIMED AT REDUCING
CRIME, REDUCING VIOLENCE, BUT
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL
DO IS EXACTLY FOLLOW UP ON CIVIL
ORDERS. GVR OSD BROS. WORKPLACE
VIOLENCE DISORDERS AND CF. THEY
ARE RIGHT FOR A WARRANT AND
RIGHT FOR FOLLOW UP TO GO
RETRIEVE THE FIREARM FROM THEM.
SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS
THAT THAT WE'RE SEEING. AND WE
REALLY WELCOME IT, AND WE
WELCOME THAT THAT COLLABORATION
TO FOCUS ON IT AGAIN, AND I WANT
TO BE THAT HORSE, BUT IT REDUCES
THE NUMBERS. BUT THE BIGGEST
THING IS THAT REDUCES THE AMOUNT
OF TIME THAT ARE PROBABLY THE
PERSON IS IN POSSESSION OF A
FIREARM, YOU KNOW? YEAH. NO,
ACTUALLY, I JUST HAVE WHEN
ADDITIONAL QUESTION KIND OF ON
THAT SAME THING BECAUSE REMOVING
THE FIREARM AT THE TIME
PROHIBITION JUST SEEMS KIND OF
PAINFULLY OBVIOUS. AND, UM SO
WHILE I'M REALLY PLEASED, AND WE
WERE, I THINK MANY OF US WERE
BIG. CHAMPIONS OF THE $40
MILLION INVESTMENT IN LAST
YEAR'S BUDGET. IT'S ALSO REALLY
FRUSTRATING THAT IT'S KIND OF
TAKEN US THAT LONG TO GET TO
THAT POINT BECAUSE WHAT YOU
DESCRIBED HAPPENING WHEN YOU
WERE IN A DEA AND SAN MATEO JUST
AGAIN. IT SEEMS SO OBVIOUS,
RIGHT? THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE
WORKING IN TERMS OF THE
INVESTMENT THAT WE HAVE MADE.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE
IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S STILL KIND
OF AN OPT IN PROGRAM. AND UH,
YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS
THAT WE NEED TO DO TO ENSURE
THAT WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW,
FUNCTIONING SYSTEM AT THE TIME
OF PROHIBITION. THAT'S WORKING
ALL ACROSS THE STATE. YEAH
ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I THINK WHAT
I CAN SAY RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT
WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE
REPORT THAT WE'VE ISSUED IN THE
REPORT YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO BE
CLEAR. AND I HOPE I HAVE BEEN
THAT THAT YOU KNOW COURTS,
PROBATION OFFICERS AND LOCAL
DÍAS OFFICES. CITY ATTORNEYS ARE
DOING YEOMAN'S WORK TO TRY AND
GET AT THIS. SO IT'S NOT THE
CASE THAT ANYBODY SITTING ON
THEIR HANDS NOT NOT THAT AT ALL
THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
SUGGESTING, UM THESE ARE THE
RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE. I THINK
WE'RE VERY OPEN TO TALKING
FURTHER ABOUT IT. YOU'RE GOING
TO HEAR MORE EXAMPLES ABOUT THE
VARIETY OF THINGS THAT ARE
HAPPENING. YOU KNOW, I'M WITH
YOU, AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S
BEEN. THE FRUSTRATION IS THAT WE
HAVEN'T SEEN IT HAPPEN. WE ARE
SEEING IT HAPPEN, AND THERE'S A
LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WORK BEING
BEING DONE AND DIFFERENT
EXAMPLES THAT I THINK HOPEFULLY
WE CAN TAKE THE GOAL OF THE GUN
VIOLENCE REDUCTION PROGRAM,
WHICH IS THE GRANTS THAT TWO
TRANCHES OF FIVE MILLION TO GO
TO SHERIFF'S OFFICE. YOU KNOW,
OBVIOUSLY, ONE WE WANTED TO GIVE
OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, GIVEN BY
YOU ALL BUT ONE WE COLLECTIVELY
WANTED TO GIVE MONEY BUT TO WE
WANTED TO GET GOOD EXAMPLES OF
PROGRAMS THAT WORK SO THAT WE
CAN EXPAND ON THEM AND SO THAT
WE COULD, AND THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL VERY
MUCH BELIEVES IN, IS TAKING
WHAT'S WORK AND SHARING IT UP
AND DOWN ACROSS THE STATE. SO WE
ARE SEEING, YOU KNOW, RENEWED
INTEREST IN THAT WE DON'T HAVE
ALL THE ANSWERS, AND CERTAINLY I
DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE COURTS
AND SAY THIS IS HOW THIS IS HOW
YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK. I KNOW
THEY'RE DOING IT AND THERE ARE
GREAT EXAMPLES OF IT, BUT I
THINK THAT'S A CONTINUING
CONVERSATION SO THAT WE CAN SEE
WHAT'S WORKING AND TRY AND
SPREAD IT OUT. WELL, AND SO
THANK YOU, MR READING AND CHIEF
MARSH. THAT'S ACTUALLY I THINK A
GOOD SEGUE INTO OUR NEXT PANEL.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
TESTIMONY. SO ARE WE WILL
TRANSITION NOW TO PANEL THREE,
AND THE SUBJECT IS THE LOCAL
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ARMED AND
PROHIBITED PERSONS SYSTEM. WE
ARE GOING TO BE JOINED BY SARAH
TONY CLIFF, WHO'S A SERGEANT IN
THE THREAT MANAGEMENT UNIT AT
THE CITY OF IRVINE'S POLICE
DEPARTMENT, BY THOMAS DILLON,
SERGEANT FROM THE CITY OF SAN
DIEGO'S POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND
CROSBY, WHO IS THE CHIEF WT CITY
ATTORNEY IN THE OFFICE. S OF THE
SAN DIEGO CITY ATTORNEY. THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIRS. GOOD AFTERNOON
COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING
US AND NICOLE KROSBY, CHIEF
DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY FROM THE
SAN DIEGO CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE. I KNOW THAT THE SERGEANT
FROM IRVINE IS REMOTE, SO I'D
LIKE TO TAKE LEAVE TO ALLOW HER
TO MAKE HER COMMENTS FIRST.
OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. SEE YOU
VERY MUCH. HI SERGEANT. TONY
CLIFF, CAN YOU HEAR US? HI, CAN
THANK YOU. GREAT YOU CAN GO
AHEAD AND JUMP IN. THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU.
I WANT TO START BY THINKING THIS
COMMITTEE FOR INVITING ME TODAY
AND FOR BEING SO ACCOMMODATING
AND ALLOWING ME TO APPEAR
REMOTELY. THE WORKING MOTHER OF
A TWO YEAR OLD SON. I REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BALANCE
MOTHERHOOD AND REPRESENTING MY
DEPARTMENT IN MY PROFESSION. I
WANT TO THANK THIS COMMITTEE FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT THE
GREAT WORK BEING DONE BY LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THE STATE
TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. I'M
HERE TODAY BECAUSE, SEVERAL
MONTHS AGO I SHARED THE
IMPORTANT WORK THE IRVINE POLICE
DEPARTMENT IS DOING WITH OUR GVR
Ó PROCESS WITH ASSEMBLYWOMAN
PETRIE-NORRIS OVER THE LAST 12
MONTHS, WE CREATED A G V R
SYSTEM AT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT
THAT DEDICATES OFFICERS SERGEANT
AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE,
ENSURING THAT WE SAFELY RECOVER
WEAPONS AND ARE ACTIVE AND
PRESENT IN THE DVR OF WHAT
PROCESS. FOR BACKGROUND ON T
BROS. FROM 2019 TO 2021. THE
IRVINE POLICE DEPARTMENT ISSUED
10 EMERGENCY T BROS. BUT ZERO
PERMANENT ORDERS WITH OUR NEW
PROCESS IN 2022 ISSUED 21 G
BROS. IN A SINGLE YEAR. LEADING
TO THE RECOVERY OF OVER 70
FIREARMS, ALONG WITH SUPPRESSORS
, THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS OF
AMMUNITION AND MORE THAN 100
MAGAZINES. 21 G BROS ARE
COMBINATION OF EMERGENCY AND EX
PARTY ORDERS AND ALL ORDERS HAVE
GONE THROUGH OR ARE GOING
THROUGH THE CIVIL COURT PROCESS
. IF THERE WASN'T ANOTHER
PROHIBITION IDENTIFIED ALONG THE
WAY. THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
POSSIBLE WITHOUT DEDICATED
DETECTIVES WORKING ON THE CIVIL
PROCESS, TAKING TIME AWAY FROM
THEIR REGULAR INVESTIGATIVE
ASSIGNMENTS, AS WELL AS THE
SUPPORT OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHO
HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THE
LEGAL PROCESS, INCLUDING WORKING
TO FIND RESOLUTIONS THAT ARE
FAIR AND FOCUS ON THE HEART AT
WHY THE G D R O WAS REQUESTED.
WE RECEIVED GREAT TRAINING FROM
THE SAN DIEGO CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE AS A BASE FOR CREATING
OUR PROCESS. THROUGH THIS
JOURNEY. WE HAVE LEARNED SEVERAL
THINGS THAT HAVE STOOD OUT ON D
V R O CASES. AND TODAY I WANTED
TO OFFER SOME THOUGHTS FROM OUR
TEAM'S PERSPECTIVE. THERE ARE A
FEW THINGS THAT WE FOUND
CONFLICTING AND ADDRESSING LAWS
WITH G BROS. AS COMPARED TO
MENTAL HEALTH WI C. 51 FIFTIES
WHICH ALSO CARRIES A FIREARM
RESTRICTIONS. FROM A COMMUNITY
SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. THERE IS AN
AUTOMATIC FIVE YEAR PROHIBITION
FOR 51 50 HOLD WHEN ENTERED BY A
POSITION BUT IN THE GBR Ó
SETTING THE SAME FACT PATTERN
CAN HAVE A PROHIBITION RANGING
FROM 1 TO 5 YEARS, DEPENDING ON
THE COURT'S DISCRETION. SO WHEN
EVALUATING BOTH 51 FIFTIES AND G
BROS. WE FOUND IT HARD TO
UNDERSTAND WHY MENTAL HEALTH
HOLD CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE A
LONGER FIRE AND PROHIBITION.
THAN A GVR. OH, IF THEY'RE BOTH
DESIGNED TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY
SAFE. AND IN THE SAME FRAMEWORK
, I WOULD ASK THIS COMMITTEE TO
CONSIDER CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE
18 205 VS WI C. 81 OF THREE
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION
PERSPECTIVE AT THE ARREST PHASE
. IT'S A MISDEMEANOR IN
CALIFORNIA UNDER THE 18 205 TO
POSSESS HER REQUIRE A FARM AFTER
YOU'VE BEEN ISSUED A GBR Ó
HOWEVER, IF YOU DO THE SAME
AFTER MENTAL HEALTH PROHIBITION
UNDER WI C. 81 OF THREE, IT CAN
BE A FELONY OR A MISDEMEANOR. SO
THIS DISTINCTION CAN MEAN THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COUNTIES. UH
IN MANY COUNTIES FROM SOMEONE
BEING ISSUED A CITATION AND
BEING RELEASED BACK INTO THE
COMMUNITY IMMEDIATELY OR THAT
SAME INDIVIDUAL BEING TAKEN TO A
COUNTY JAIL UNTIL THEY MAKE BAIL
OR CAN GO BEFORE A MAGISTRATE.
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME
OF THE INCONSISTENCIES AND SOME
OF THE LARGEST FOR FIREARM
PROPOSITIONS THAT LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT MUST ENFORCE. IN AN
ANSWER TO OUR COMMUNITY ON SO I
WOULD ASK THIS COMMITTEE TO
CONSIDER LOOKING AT SOME OF
THESE APPLICABLE SECTIONS. I'VE
HIGHLIGHTED TODAY AND CONSIDER
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT
CONSISTENCY. THE LAST
RECOMMENDATION AROUND
CONSISTENCY I WOULD LIKE TO
SHARE COMES FROM THE GDR Ó
COURT PROCESS. THE SAN DIEGO
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS BEEN
INCREDIBLE IN SHARING THEIR
LESSONS LEARNED. HOWEVER WE
FOUND THAT WHAT MAY BE
APPLICABLE IN A SAN DIEGO
COURTROOM MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE
IN AN ORANGE COUNTY COURTROOM.
SO WE'VE SEEN DIFFERENCES IN
WHEN PERSONAL SERVICE OF
SUBPOENAS OR COURT ORDERS IS
REQUIRED, AND ALSO SOME
INCONSISTENCIES. AND WHEN WE SEE
A ONE YEAR VERSUS A FIVE YEAR
GDR Ó BEING ISSUED AND WHILE
SOME OF THIS MAY BE SHORT UP
WITH CASE LAW IN THE COMING
YEARS, I SHARED THIS CONCERN
BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE
GREAT TRAINING PROVIDED BY SAN
DIEGO MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE IN
OUR COURTROOM, MAKING IT ONE OF
THE BIGGEST STRUGGLES WE HAD IN
BUILDING OUR PROGRAM. AND
FINALLY, I WANTED TO SHARE THAT
ON TOP OF ALL THE GREAT THINGS
THAT GPR Ó PROCESS OFFERS TO
KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE. IT'S
ONLY A VALUABLE TOOL IF LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS THE FUNDING
AND RESOURCES TO UTILIZE IT. THE
IRVINE POLICE DEPARTMENT MODEL
FOR HANDLING G BROS. ENCOMPASSES
A NEW PROCESS FOR OUR RECORDS
PROCESSING FUNDING TO COVER THE
COST OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE HELP FROM A CRIME ANALYST
AND OUR COURT LIAISON TO KEEP
TRACK OF ANY CRIMINAL CASES THAT
PARALLEL THE G BROS. AS WELL AS
THE DEDICATION IN TRAINING OF
DETECTIVES, SUPERVISOR AND
OFFICER TEAMS HANDLE THE HIGH
RISK RECOVERY OF FIREARMS UNDER
SEARCH WARRANTS. NO ONE SPEAKING
WITH OTHER POLICE AGENCIES THAT
NOT EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS THE
FUNDING OR RESOURCES TO DEDICATE
WHAT IS NEEDED TO USE G BROS. AS
AN EFFECTIVE TOOL AND COMMUNITY
SAFETY. BECAUSE THE G BROS ARE
IN A CIVIL COURT AND NOT IN
CRIMINAL COURT. A LOCAL AGENCY
HAS TO RELY ON THEIR CITY
ATTORNEY TO NAVIGATE THE COURT
PROCESS RATHER THAN SIMPLY THE
COUNTY DA'S OFFICE. WE HAVE
LEARNED THAT THIS CAN BE A
REALLY COSTLY PROCESS AND THE
MORE GPRS AND AGENCY REQUESTS,
THE HIGHER THE COST BECOMES.
LASTLY, WHILE THE GVR Ó LAW
ALLOWS FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS
SUCH AS DOMESTIC PARTNERS AND
EMPLOYERS TO APPLY FOR THEM,
IT'S BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE THAT
THOSE WHO COULD ATTEMPT TO
SECURE A G V R O ON THEIR OWN
OFTEN DON'T AND INSTEAD RELY ON
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HANDLE.
THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE
EXPERIENCE IN THE COURT PROCESS
WERE FORCED TO ABSORB THE COST
OF THAT CORE PROCESS. WE CAN
MORE SAFELY PROVIDES SERVICE AT
THE ORDER TO THE RESTORING PARTY
, AND WE HAVE THE TOOLS AND
ABILITY TO IMMEDIATELY COLLECT
THE FIREARMS OF CONCERN.
EXPANDING THE G BIARO LAW TO
ALLOW OTHERS TO ACQUIRE THEM IS
VERY WELL INTENDED, BUT IT HAS
BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE THAT IT IS A
RARE EXCEPTION AND THE BURDEN OF
TV ROOS OVERWHELMINGLY ON LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT. IRVINE WERE
FORTUNATE ENOUGH AT THIS TIME TO
HAVE THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM
OUR CITY TO SUPPORT THIS PROCESS
. BUT AS I SHARED OUR PROCESS
WITH OTHER CITIES I FIND MANY
ARE NOT AS LUCKY. FUNDING FROM
THE STATE TO SUPPORT ATTORNEY
REPRESENTATION AND DEDICATED
OFFICERS TO THIS CRITICAL AND
IMPACTFUL TOOL IS THE ONLY WAY
TO SEE THAT IT IS USED AND
APPLIED AS IT WAS INTENDED,
WHICH IS TO SAVE LIVES. FUNDING
FOR REGIONAL TASK FORCES MAY
OFFER A GREAT ADVANTAGE TO MANY
AGENCIES BECAUSE OF THE SHARED
USE OF RESOURCES IN THE WAY OF
PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT, AS WELL
AS DEDICATED LEGAL
REPRESENTATION FOR THE GVR Ó
COURT PROCESS. THAT TASK FORCE
COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONALLY,
FUNDING FOR AGENCIES THAT HAVE
ESTABLISHED PROGRAMS WOULD
ENSURE THEY CAN CONTINUE TO
EXIST. AS I SHARED, TAKES THE
DEDICATION OF EQUIPMENT AND
RESOURCES AND MAN HOURS TO BE
USED TO THEIR FULLEST POTENTIAL
, AND I WOULD ASK THIS COMMITTEE
TO CONSIDER FUNDING DEDICATED TO
ENSURING LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES CAN UTILIZE THIS LIFE
SAVING TOOL. IS ALSO AN
IMPORTANT PARALLEL PROGRAM TO G
BROS. AND KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY
SAFE AND TAKING FIREARMS OUT OF
THE HANDS OF THOSE SHOULD NOT
HAVE THEM. WE ARE VERY COMMITTED
TO ATTEMPTING TO COLLECT
FIREARMS FROM ALL IN THE APP
SYSTEM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING
FOR LOCAL AGENCIES, THIS IS A
DIFFICULT TASK TO ACCOMPLISH AS
WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM THE
PREVIOUS SPEAKERS. FOR CONTACTS
FOR US ONCE A MONTH. A PDF LIST
IS GENERATED BY DOJ, WHICH IS
USED BY LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO
SEEK OUT AND REMOVE THE FIREARMS
FROM THOSE WHO ARE PROHIBITED.
THE PDF CONTAINS INFORMATION
THAT'S NOT VERY USER FRIENDLY
BECAUSE IT CONTAINS COUNTYWIDE
INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TO SIFT
THROUGH IN ORDER TO FIND ANY
IRVINE RELATED CASES. WELL THIS
MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT OF WORK
FOR PERSPECTIVE. THE DECEMBER
LIST FROM ABSALOM WAS OVER 2800
PAGES THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH.
AND BECAUSE THE SYSTEM COMES IN
THE PDF, RATHER THAN A MORE USER
FRIENDLY AND INTERACTIVE
DELIVERY SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO
SPEND MAN HOURS CREATING OUR OWN
SYSTEMS TO KEEP TRACK OF WHETHER
OR NOT SOMEONE IS IN THE A NEW
ENTRY OR AN OLD WOMAN AS WELL AS
PARCEL OUT ANY UPDATED
INFORMATION ON THE OLD ENTRIES.
AND BECAUSE WE ONLY RECEIVE IT
ONCE A MONTH, WE FIND OURSELVES
AT TIMES SPENDING VALUABLE TIME
LOOKING AT THE CASES THAT HAVE
ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED OR HANDLED
BY ANOTHER AGENCY OR
JURISDICTION. LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT REALLY NEEDS THE
ABILITY TO INTERACT WITH APPS
AND MORE USER FRIENDLY MANNER
WITH UPDATED SYSTEMS, AS WAS
REFERENCED IN THE PRESENTATION
BY DOJ. SECONDLY BUT EQUALLY AS
IMPORTANT AS THAT CONTINUED
ACCESS TO FUNDING LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES NEED ACCESS
TO REGULAR TRAINING TO KNOW HOW
TO READ AND USE THE INFORMATION
AND APPS ASSIGNMENT CHANGES OR
NEW HIRE ONBOARDING ARE COMMON
ACROSS THE PROFESSION, SO THE
ABILITY TO REGULARLY TRAIN OUR
PERSONNEL IS ESSENTIAL TO
ENSURING KNOWLEDGE ISN'T LOST
ALONG THE WAY. I KNOW IN MY UNIT
STARTED LOOKING INTO APPS. WE
FOUND THAT SOME OF OUR OWN
AGENCY INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE
HAVE BEEN LOST THROUGH
PROMOTIONS AND ASSIGNMENT
CHANGES, SO CONTINUED ACCESS TO
REGULAR TRAINING FROM DOJ IN ANY
FORMAT COULD ENSURE THIS DOESN'T
HAPPEN. IN ADDITION TO THE
TRAINING, HAVING THAT GRANT
FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR OFFICERS
AND OUR TASK FORCES AT THE LOCAL
LEVEL TO ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES TO HELP ADDRESS THE
RECOVERY OF WEAPONS FROM
PROHIBITED PERSONS IS ESSENTIAL
. OUR COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT AS YOU SAW WAS ON THE
LIST AND HAS BEEN GIVEN AN
OVERTIME GRANT TO ADDRESS THE
OPS LIST. BUT DO YOU DO A LOT OF
INFORMATION? UM AND UPDATING THE
APP SYSTEMS WE FIND THAT WERE
OFTEN OVERLAPPING OUR EFFORTS
WITH OUR LIMITED RESOURCES. AND
BECAUSE IT'S AN OVERTIME GRANT
THEIR ONLY DEVOTING TIME AND
RESOURCES AFTER THEIR PRIMARY
ASSIGNMENT IS DONE. SO MUCH LIKE
GVR ROSE FUNDING FOR DEPARTMENTS
WITH THE SIZE AND RESOURCES TO
WORK INDEPENDENTLY OR FUNDING
FOR TASK FORCES WERE DEPARTMENTS
CAN SHARE RESOURCES AND
PERSONNEL DEDICATED TO THIS TASK
WILL GO A LONG WAY AND ALLOWING
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT THE
ABILITY TO BE PROACTIVE IN THE
RECOVERY OF WEAPONS PROHIBITED
PERSONS. I WOULD LIKE TO
HIGHLIGHT THAT WE HAVE A GREAT
RELATIONSHIP WITH DOJ AND
APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS IN
COLLABORATION. BUT RECOGNIZE
THAT THE BURDEN OF FIREARMS
COLLECTION FALLS MOSTLY ON LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT, SO WE'RE
APPRECIATIVE OF ANY ASSISTANCE
THE STATE CAN PROVIDE TO SUPPORT
OUR EFFORTS. SO I JUST WANT TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE TODAY AGAIN
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE
WITH YOU MY PERSPECTIVE AS A
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON
THESE VERY IMPORTANT TOPICS AND
TO HIGHLIGHT THE WORK IRVINE PD
HAS DONE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY
TODAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COME ON. THANK YOU, SERGEANT. WE
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. WE'LL
GO AHEAD AND TURN IT BACK TO,
UH, OUR TWO GUESTS FROM SAN
DIEGO. OKAY SO, AS I SAID
EARLIER, MY NAME IS NICOLE
CROSBY I'M A CHIEF DEPUTY CITY
ATTORNEY AT THE SAN DIEGO CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I'M THE CHIEF
OF OUR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND
ACCOUNTABILITY UNIT, AND OUR
UNIT FOCUSES ON PROACTIVELY
PROTECTING PEOPLE. AND THAT
PROTECTION COMES IN A VARIETY OF
WAYS. AND IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND
A LITTLE BIT OF WHY OUR PROGRAM
IS SO SUCCESSFUL, IT'S IMPORTANT
TO UNDERSTAND. THE ORIGIN STORY
WHAT WE DO, AND THEN HOW THE
ORIGIN OF THE G D R O PROGRAM
STARTING SO OUR UNIT WE REDUCE,
WE WORK TO REDUCE FIREARM
VIOLENCE IN THE COMMUNITY
THROUGH BROS. FIREARM
DESTRUCTION PETITIONS SUPPORTING
OPERATIONS TO MOVE GHOST GUNS
FROM CITY STREETS, FINDING AND
PROSECUTING ARMED PROHIBITED
PERSONS AND INFORMATION SHARING
WITH AGENCIES ACROSS THE REGION
AND BEYOND. WE HAVE A PUBLIC
ETHICS AND INTEGRITY SECTION
INVESTIGATING CORRUPTION IN
GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC SERVICE.
WE ALSO HAVE A LIFT PROGRAM.
IT'S LIFESAVING INTERVENTION FOR
TREATMENT, ACTIVATING COUNTY
RESOURCES FOR BEHAVIORAL AND
MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS FOR
UNDERSERVED AND HIGH UTILIZE
EAR'S STRESSING LOCAL FILE AND
FIRE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SYSTEMS
AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS THROUGH
LEGAL REPRESENTATION IN COURT.
WITH PROBATE, CONSERVATORSHIPS
ASSISTED OUTPATIENT TREATMENT
REFERRALS AND ADDITIONAL
PATHWAYS. SO WHEN WE WERE FIRST
WHEN I WAS FIRST TASK TO START A
G P R O PROGRAM FROM SCRATCH. I
WAS ACHIEVED THE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE AND SEX CRIMES AND
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT
MAKES PERFECT SENSE. THAT TYPE
OF WORK. IDENTIFYING RED FLAGS
AS PART OF YOUR EVERYDAY JOB. IT
IS EASY TO SEE, AND IT ALSO
MAKES SENSE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
TO BE INVOLVED, AND NOT JUST FOR
THE SIMPLICITY, BUT IT REALLY
DOES REMOVE THE BURDEN OF
FAMILIES IN TIMES OF CRISIS. WE
DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR
INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO
MAKE THINGS SAFER FOR THEMSELVES
AND FOR THEIR LOVED ONES. SO I
UNEARTHED A LITTLE KNOWN AND NOT
VERY USED GVR Ó LAW, YEARS AND
YEARS AGO AND I DIRECTED ONE
DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY. TO WORK
WITH ME CREATE A TRAINING AND
OPERATION PLAN. WE DISPATCHED IT
ACROSS THE CITY. IT WAS NOT A
QUICK PROCESS GOING BACK TO
2018. BUT WITH SUPPORT FROM THE
TOP, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, THE
CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR INVESTED
BECAUSE THEY CARED WE WERE ABLE
TO GROW INTO THE STATE
RECOGNIZED PROGRAM WE ARE TODAY.
SO WE CREATED A POST CERTIFIED
PROGRAM AND WHEN SOMETHING IS
POST CERTIFIED BY THE POLICE
OFFICERS, STANDARDS AND TRAINING
, IT ENCOURAGES LAW ENFORCEMENT
ACTUALLY GO BECAUSE THEY GET
ADVANCED CREDITS AND THEY GET A
TRAIN. AND NOW THAT IT'S PART OF
MANY ACADEMIES LIKE IN SAN
DIEGO. THE MORE SEASONED
OFFICERS. I WILL SAY I WANT TO
KNOW MORE ABOUT GPRS THAT THEY
DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, BECAUSE NOW
ALL OF THE NEW ACADEMY AND
RECRUITS KNOW SOMETHING, SO IT'S
BECOMING PART OF THE CULTURE AND
THAT'S WHAT TIME TAKES TO
HAPPEN. WE NOW HAVE A STAFF OF
10. AND INCLUDES ATTORNEYS
DEDICATED S D P D DETECTIVE
SUPPORTIVE SERGEANT THAT WE HAVE
HERE IN TOM DILLON, A CITY
ATTORNEY INVESTIGATOR, SECRETARY
PARALEGAL. AND BEFORE IT WAS
MADE A LAW WE EVEN HAD A VICTIM
ADVOCATE AT YOUR SAFE PLACE,
WHICH IS A FAMILY JUSTICE CENTER
OF THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO IN
ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT VICTIMS
OF INTER PARTNER VIOLENCE OR
ANYBODY IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING
THEY WERE PROVIDED INFORMATION
ABOUT GVR ROSE AND IF THEY
WANTED THEIR INFORMATION FORWARD
TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE WOULD
HANDLE THAT PROCESS FOR THEM.
THE MOST RECENTLY I WAS NOTED
EARLIER, I DEFENDED OUR TVR Ó.
COURT HEARING PROCESS AND
EVIDENTIARY PROCEDURE IN THE
COURT OF APPEALS. PUBLIC COURT
OPINION AND NOW PROVIDES
ATTORNEYS AND JUDGES ACROSS THE
STATE WITH FRAMEWORK FOR THE
TYPES OF EVIDENCE THAT CAN COME
DURING A G ZERO HEARING. IT
PROVIDES CONSISTENCY, AND IT'S
MORE AKIN TO WORKPLACE, VIOLENT
ORDER AND CIVIL HARASSMENT ORDER
PROCEDURES. IT ALSO MAKES GVR
OWES LESS INTIMIDATING, LESS
PARTY PROCEDURALLY COMPLEX AND
MUCH MORE USEFUL TO HELP POLICE
AND FAMILIES PROTECT OUR
COMMUNITIES. IN THAT PARTICULAR
CASE, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S LACKEY
MENTIONED, UM AMMUNITION AND
PROHIBITED PERSONS AND THAT
PARTICULAR CASE THAT I ARGUED IN
FRONT OF THE COURT OF APPEALS.
HE WAS A PROHIBITED PERSON. HE
DID HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH
PROHIBITION. HE WAS PROHIBITED
FROM HAVING AMMUNITION AND HE
WAS DENIED AT WALMART, BUT HE
STILL HAD IN HIS POSSESSION
FIREARMS UNTIL THE STANDING
POLICE DEPARTMENT RELIEVED HIM
OF THOSE FIREARMS. SO THAT IS A
VERY REAL EXAMPLE OF APPS AND
GVR Ó INTERTWINING. SO THE
SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE HAD FROM
THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE. IT
HAS ALLOWED US TO GROW IN THIS
PROGRAM BECAUSE MONEY DOES
MATTER. WITH GRANTS FROM THE
STATE WE HAVE TRAINED OVER 500
AGENCIES. THOUSANDS OF OFFICERS
, LOCAL COUNTY STATE FEDERAL.
AND WE ARE AVAILABLE NIGHT AND
DAY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
ATTORNEY QUESTIONS AND ANY
AGENCIES INTERESTED IN STARTING
THEIR OWN PROGRAMS. HEADING INTO
OUR FIFTH YEAR OF STATEWIDE
TRAINING. WE ARE PROUD TO SEE
MANY AGENCIES GROW LIKE IRVINE,
ONE OF OUR EARLIER SUPPORTERS.
RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
HAS REALLY DONE A SUCCESSFUL AND
GREAT JOB AT STARTING FROM
SOMETHING TO SCRATCH AT A COUNTY
LEVEL. SO FIVE YEARS HAVE ALSO
SHOWN US WHERE WE'VE SEEN RED
FLAGS. SINCE 2018 ABOUT 40% OF
CASES INVOLVE INTIMATE PARTNER
VIOLENCE AND FAMILY VIOLENCE.
ABOUT 30 K 30% OF CASES INVOLVED
THREATS OF SUICIDE. AND THEN THE
REMAINING THE DANGEROUS SCHOOL
THREATS, WORKPLACE VIOLENCE,
ACQUAINTANCE VIOLENCE, ALL THIS
VIOLENCE IS TOO MUCH. BUT THIS
DEDICATED GROUP. OF LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENTS WORKING WITH
THEIR ATTORNEYS ARE ABLE TO WORK
TO REDUCE AND REMOVE THE
VIOLENCE FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE
HAVE WORKED OVER THE PAST FIVE
YEARS WITH AGENCIES AND SMALLER
CITIES AS A SERGEANT MENTIONED
IN RURAL REGIONS, AND THEY
STRUGGLE FOR LACK OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL TO EXECUTE
GVR OR APPS OPERATIONS, OR THEY
MAY NOT EVEN HAVE THE DEDICATED
LEGAL SUPPORT. NOT EVERYONE HAS
THE CITY ATTORNEY. THEY HAVE
CONTRACT ATTORNEYS AND AS YOU'VE
HEARD FROM THE SERGEANT THE COST
CAN BE PROHIBITIVE. BUT CITIES
AND SMALLER DEPARTMENTS ARE NOT
ALWAYS ABLE TO LEAN ON SUPPORT
FROM THEIR COUNTY. SO THERE
EXISTS SHERIFF DEPARTMENT THAT
HAVE NOT MADE AN EFFORT TO
CREATE A GPO PROGRAM OR DEDICATE
ANY RESOURCES TOWARDS THAT
EFFORT. DESPITE HAVING THE
LUXURY OF COUNTY COUNCIL OR EVEN
THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
AND REGIONAL JURISDICTION. BUT
THERE IS HOPE. WE STARTED. BY
BRINGING GVR Ó LEGAL SERVICES
AND TRAINING TO OUR POLICE
DEPARTMENT. NOW WE ARE SEEING
DEPARTMENTS EAGER LOOKING FOR
HELP. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR LEGAL
HELP. SO THE IDEA IS IT'S NOT
THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DOESN'T WANT
TO GET ENGAGED. DO THEY DO BUT
THEY NEED HELP AND SUPPORT
BECAUSE NOBODY CAN DO IT ALONE.
SO THAT'S OURSELVES. HOW CAN WE
MAKE A G BUREAU PROGRAM MORE
ATTAINABLE FOR EVERYONE ACROSS
THE STATE? HAVE THE FRAMEWORK OF
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LEGAL
SUPPORT AVAILABLE TO SEE THE
PETITION THROUGH. COURT PROCESS
NOT JUST FALL OFF AT DAY, 21
WELL. THIS WORKS FOR G BROS. AND
FOR APPS. ON A SINGLE
JURISDICTION SCALE. IT'S NOT
FEASIBLE AND IT'S COST
PROHIBITIVE YOU'VE HEARD FROM
THE DOJ 73 BUREAU OF FIREARM.
OFFICERS THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT
FOR THE STATE. BUT WHEN MICHAEL
READING DID INDICATE IS THAT WE
HAVE 70,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS. THAT ARE WORKING IN
THE COMMUNITIES EVERY DAY.
CAPTURING INFORMATION EVERY DAY.
AND WANTING TO BE PART OF THE
SOLUTION. SO BY INCLUDING LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT, NOT JUST
COUNTY. IT GIVES MORE OWNERSHIP
TO THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO
MAY NOT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO THE
INFORMATION. SO THE ANSWER,
HOWEVER, ISN'T A REGIONALIZED AS
A SERGEANT MENTIONED ZERO APPS
TASK FORCE. AND THIS ISN'T JUST
ONE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS. THIS
IS EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY. WHO
WANTS TO MEET THE OPT IN. AS
CHAIR PETRIE-NORRIS MENTIONED.
BUT REALLY, IF CERTAIN PEOPLE
ARE OPTING IN, I THINK
EVERYONE'S GOING TO WANT TO OPT
IN. MOSTLY BECAUSE OF OPTICS. SO
ALL COUNTIES CITIES, COMMUNITIES
ACROSS THE STATE WOULD BENEFIT
FROM A REGIONALIZED TASK FORCE.
AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE IN THE
CITY OF SAN DIEGO, THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY
, WE REGULARLY WORK ON G BROS.
AND INVOLVE APPS THAT CROSSED
JURISDICTIONS. WE HAVE WORKED
WITH OTHER CITY POLICE
DEPARTMENTS. BECAUSE WHEN THE
INCIDENT MAY HAPPEN IN SAN DIEGO
, THEY MAY LIVE IN CHULA VISTA
OCEANSIDE. THEY MAY LIVE IN
RIVERSIDE. AND AS WELL AS STATE
AND FEDERAL AGENCIES. WE HAVE A
LARGE MILITARY POPULATION IN SAN
DIEGO, AND THERE IS NO FEDERAL
RED FLAG LAW. BUT THAT DOESN'T
MEAN THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT
WORKING IN FEDERAL DEPARTMENTS
AREN'T LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND
HELP IN ORDER TO MAKE
COMMUNITIES SAFER. THEY WORK
WITH US. THEY SHARE INFORMATION
WITH US AND WE HAVE A
PARTNERSHIP THAT REALLY DOES
WORK PROACTIVELY TOGETHER. TO
MOVE THE NEEDLE IN TERMS OF ONE
CHANGING THE CULTURE ABOUT HOW G
BROS ARE RECEIVED AND
UNDERSTOOD. AND ABOUT
RELINQUISHING INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE DANGEROUS IN A COMMUNITY
FROM FIREARMS. SO WITH THIS
COORDINATION IS KEY. IT'S KEY TO
MANAGE KNOWN THREATS OF FIREARM
VIOLENCE. YOU KNOW, DISPATCHING
RESOURCES TOGETHER BECAUSE
NOBODY CAN DO IT ALONE. UNTIL
VERY RECENTLY. CALIFORNIA
HIGHWAY PATROL A LARGE STATEWIDE
AGENCY DID NOT HAVE LEGAL
SUPPORT FOR GVR ROSE. DID
SOMETHING I HAD. BEEN DISCUSSING
FOR MANY YEARS AND I DO AND I
WANT TO RECOGNIZE ATTORNEY
GENERAL BONTA FOR OBTAINING
LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR GVR Ó
PETITIONERS COMING OUT OF THE
CHP. BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
THERE'S A LARGE JURISDICTION.
THAT CAN'T NECESSARILY BE
ACCESSED BY CITIES OR BY THE
STATE WITHOUT THAT SUPPORT,
BECAUSE EVEN IF CALIFORNIA
HIGHWAY PATROL GETS THAT GVR.
OH, THEN WHAT? THEN WHAT? SO WE
RECENTLY TRAINED DEPUTY ATTORNEY
GENERALS IN THE SAN DIEGO AND
LOS ANGELES OFFICES, AND WE'RE
HOPEFUL THAT STATE DEPARTMENTS
IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WILL, YOU
KNOW, BE ABLE TO NOW LOOK TO
SOMEONE FOR THAT KIND OF
SUPPORT. BY PULLING LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND LEGAL RESOURCES
, STATE, COUNTY AND LOCAL
AGENCIES WILL BE BETTER BETTER
ABLE TO COVER THE JURISDICTIONAL
GAPS. IMPROVED CROSS AGENCY
COMMUNICATION OF THE RED FLAGS
AND CREATE ONE REGION WIDE GVR
Ó POINT OF CONTACT FOR
CONSISTENT INVESTIGATION. EXPERT
ANALYSIS, EFFICIENT, PETITIONING
AND FIREARMS. IT PROCEEDS
FIREARM SEIZURES AS NECESSARY.
THE LEGISLATION. FOR SEARCH
WARRANTS, SO. DURING THE DOJ
PRESENTATION. THERE WAS A NOTICE
SO IF YOU IF YOU'RE AN ABSENT
INDIVIDUAL SEARCH WARRANT CAN BE
OBTAINED. YOU JUST NEED TO GO TO
A COURT. AND GET MINUTE ORDER
THAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS CONVICTED
AND THEY HAVEN'T RELINQUISHED
THEIR FIREARMS. BUT THAT DOES
TAKE WORK. AND IF YOU HAVE ONE
GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHOSE SOLE
TASK IS TO PROACTIVELY DO THE
WORK AND THEIR REGION. THEN THAT
THAT ISN'T WORK. THAT'S THAT'S
THEIR JOB. AND THAT'S OKAY
BECAUSE LIKE SERGEANT FROM
IRVINE SAID, THIS IS NOT A
PICKUP GAME. THIS IS THEIR DAILY
WORK AND WE CAN REALLY MAKE A
DIFFERENCE. IF WE FOCUS ON IT.
THIS TASK CAN ALSO LEAD THE
LOCAL COPS, RECOVERIES
PROACTIVELY AND REGULARLY
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE OFFICERS
AND DEPUTIES. MOST FAMILIAR THEY
CAN HAVE PARTNERS WITH THE
BUREAU OF FIREARMS. AS A STATE
REPRESENTATIVE IN THE TASK
FORCE. BECAUSE THERE ARE ARE
MANY, UM, BENEFITS TO ACCESS TO
INFORMATION IN THE WAY THE
INFORMATION IS MAINTAINED
CURRENTLY. BUT ALSO
JURISDICTIONAL CROSSOVERS. WHEN
YOU HAVE TASK FORCE. SO IF THERE
ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE NOT
PARTICIPATING IN THIS TYPE OF
PROGRAM OR NOT ABLE TO PETITION
FOR G BROS THEY THAT HURDLE IS
NOW REMOVED. SO TO COMBAT THE
APPS BACKLOG IS TO RECOGNIZE THE
PROBLEM AND MAKE THE REQUISITE
CHANGES. LOCAL AGENCIES ARE
UNABLE TO SAFELY RELY ON THE
DIODE, A DATABASE. THERE IS AN
ACCURATE DATA THAT LINGERS, AND
ALTHOUGH CRITICAL INFORMATION IS
KNOWN, IT'S SLOW TO BE INPUT.
BUT THAT ASIDE DOZENS IF NOT
HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT LOCAL DATA
SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN CREATED, AND
THEY'VE BEEN MAINTAINED OVER
DECADES AND DECADES ACROSS THE
STATE. AND THIS EFFORT IN THE
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
TECHNOLOGY OF THIS PARTICULAR
STATE TO COORDINATE AND ANY TYPE
OF LAW ENFORCEMENT INFORMATION
SHOULD BE A STATEWIDE SYSTEM, A
COMPLETE OVERHAUL COLLECTING
DATA FROM ALL AGENCIES,
INCLUDING BLOCKED CHAIN
TECHNOLOGY, OR CERTAIN
INDIVIDUALS CAN INPUT IN THEIR
REGIONS. THEY CAN ACCESS THEIR
OWN DATA. BUT THEN THE STATE WHO
IS THE POSSESSOR AND MAINTAINER
OF THE DATA, JUST LIKE THE
CURRENCY. I CAN STILL ACCESS THE
INFORMATION. WHETHER INCLUDES
DMV. INCLUDING THE INFORMATION
THAT WILL CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES
FOR APPS THAT'S ALREADY
AVAILABLE AND WAS DISCUSSED BY
THE DOJ. UM, VERY DISJOINTED
FORM. SO WHAT THIS WOULD DO. IT
WOULD ALSO ASSIST THE DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE LEGISLATOR TO REVIEW
IN REAL TIME DATA, LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT ABLE TO INPUT THE
KNOWN INFORMATION. AND INSTEAD
OF JUST HAVING A ONE WAY
INTERFACE, THERE ARE NOTES IN
THERE. SO OBVIOUSLY IN A IN A
NEW SYSTEM, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO
JUST RELY ON NOTE TO BE CAN
CHANGE THINGS THAT SAY WE THIS
PERSON WE MADE CONTACT WITH, AND
THEY ARE FALLING OFF THE SYSTEM
FOR A REASON. BUT EVEN A NOTE
WOULD BE BETTER THAN NOTHING
RIGHT. SO. THE ABILITY FOR DOJ
AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE
ABLE TO PULL DATA AND ASSESS
WITH REAL TIME AWARENESS. THE
POTENTIAL THREATS, THE
CONSOLIDATED FORMAT IS JUST NOT
LIMITED TO RESTRAINING ORDERS
AND APPS. BUT ALL RELEVANT
HISTORY IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR
ASSESSING POTENTIAL THREATS. AND
THAT AND I, SERGEANT DILLON IS
GOING TO TALK ABOUT A FEW OF
THOSE THREATS. SO WITH THE
LEGISLATORS, SUPPORT AND
ENCOURAGEMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES WILL BE ABLE TO WORK
TOGETHER, ESPECIALLY IN COUNTIES
WHERE GVR OS AND APPS ARE NOT
BEING SOUGHT. PROTECTIVE
PROACTIVELY IF AT ALL. STATE
SUPPORT WILL PROMOTE AND
VALIDATE THE IMPORTANCE OF
GLOBALIZED PRODUCTION AND
ACKNOWLEDGE THE EFFORTS OF PEACE
OFFICERS THAT HAVE LOW MORALE
ALL AROUND CALIFORNIA WHO WANT
TO DO BETTER FOR THEIR
COMMUNITIES BECAUSE THEY CANNOT
DO THIS ALONE. HOW DO WE
QUANTIFY ENGAGEMENT OR LACK OF
ENGAGEMENT AND THE AGENCY LEVEL
REGARDING THIS WORK? THE
LEGISLATORS DIRECTED THAT EVERY
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN THE
STATE HAVE POLICIES AND
PROCEDURES ABOUT G BROS. WELL TO
ASSESS THEIR USE. A LEGISLATOR
COULD REQUEST REGULAR REPORTING
FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT
EMERGENCY AND TEMPORARY ORDERS
THAT HAVE ACTUALLY RESULTED IN
PERMANENT ORDERS. WE DO THIS
REGULARLY AS A MATTER OF BEST
PRACTICES FOR OUR CLIENT, THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT. CHANGE IS
POSSIBLE WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND
HEARD ACROSS THE STATE, EVEN IN
THE MOST CONSERVATIVE OF
REGIONS. OFFICERS ON THE GROUND
HAVE EMBRACED EMBRACED. G BROS.
AFTER OUR TRAINING, THEY HAVE A
BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE
TOOLS USED TO KEEP COMMUNITIES
SAFE. IN WAYS THAT THEY HAVE
NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO BEFORE.
LEADERSHIP AT THE TOP OF
AGENCIES AND JURISDICTIONS
ACROSS THE STATE IS THE
CONTROLLING FACTOR FOR A
SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.
CONSOLIDATING PERSONNEL
REGIONALLY CAN OVERCOME STAFFING
AND PHILOSOPHICAL SHORTCOMINGS
FOR SAFETY. AND WE THINK. THE
LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA FOR FOCUSING ON THIS
PUBLIC SAFETY AND I TURN IT OVER
TO MY COLLEAGUE. GOOD AFTERNOON
. MY NAME IS THOMAS DILLON. I'M
A SERGEANT WITH THE SAN DIEGO
POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M CURRENTLY
ASSIGNED TO OUR CHIEF'S OFFICE
AND HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF
OVERSEEING OUR GUN VIOLENCE
RESTRAINING ORDER UNIT. OUR
DEPARTMENT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST
IN THE FOREFRONT OF THE G B R O
APPLICATION THROUGH PROACTIVE
EFFORTS, AND OVER THE PAST FIVE
YEARS WE'VE BUILT AN EFFICIENT
UNIT THROUGH OUR COOPERATION
WITH THE SAN DIEGO CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THROUGH THE
EARLY SUCCESS AND FINDING WAYS
TO OVERCOME VARIOUS CHALLENGES
WERE RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE AND
ASKED TO PROVIDE TRAINING TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT, LEGAL COUNSEL AND
ELECTED OFFICIALS. THIS IS
RESULTED IN OUR UNIT, BECOMING
THE POINT OF CONTACT FOR
INQUIRIES INTO G B R O MATTERS
ALL ACROSS THE STATE. EVERY WEEK
. EACH ONE OF OUR MEMBERS
FIELDS, DOZENS OF EMAILS AND
PHONE CALLS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS
REQUESTING INFORMATION ABOUT OUR
PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE PRACTICAL
APPLICATION OF THE LAW. WE
PROVIDE MANY RESOURCES TO AID
THEIR OFFICERS IN THE FIELD AS
WELL AS DURING THEIR
INVESTIGATIONS. STATEWIDE
TRAINING AND CONTINUED SUPPORT
AFTER THAT TRAINING. LEADS TO
ADDITIONAL AND MORE EXPANSIVE
TRAINING REQUESTS. WITH MORE
TRAINING COMES MORE INTEREST AND
DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF HOWARD
GVR OS, AS WELL AS INCREASING
NUMBER OF AGENCIES UTILIZING THE
TOOLS IN THE FIELD. AS WE SPEAK
THIS AFTERNOON, THE CITY
ATTORNEY AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS
ARE TRAINING. UH AT ALAMEDA
RIGHT, NOW HOSTED BY THE ALAMEDA
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE
RECENTLY RETURNED FROM A TRIP TO
EL DORADO HILLS AND MODESTO AS
WELL AS LAGUNA BEACH. WE'RE
CURRENTLY SCHEDULING OUT
TRAININGS IN THE NEXT COMING
MONTHS TO LOS ANGELES COUNTY
WITH THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE. CHINO ALL THE
WAY DOWN TO MONTEREY. THESE
TRAININGS HAVE CONNECTED US WITH
MULTIPLE AGENCIES ACROSS THE
STATE. WE HAVE ALSO IDENTIFIED
THE BENEFIT OF POOLING RESOURCES
AND THE CONSISTENT APPLICATION
OF LAW TO PROTECT CITIZENS OF
THIS STATE. AT THE CITY OF SAN
DIEGO. WE HAVE EMBRACED ACROSS
JURISDICTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY
WITHIN OUR REGION. THIS IS
ALLOWED US TO AID MUNICIPALITY
MUNICIPAL AGENCIES THAT DO NOT
CURRENTLY HAVE THE LEGAL SUPPORT
THAT THEY NEED, AS WELL AS STATE
AND FEDERAL AGENCIES. I WOULD
LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW CASE
STUDIES TO ELABORATE ON TOPICS
THAT I'VE MENTIONED AS WELL AS
THE DOJ AND THE SERGEANT FROM
IRVINE. FROM ONE REFERRAL. A
FEDERAL EMPLOYEE WAS SUSPENDED
OVER PERFORMANCE ISSUES. THE
EMPLOYEE TOLD COURT CO WORKERS
THAT HE WAS UPSET AND HE WAS
GOING TO GRAB HIS GUN AND COME
BACK AND SHOOT UP THE PLACE. THE
ORGANIZATION HAVING LIMITED
PERSONAL RESOURCES REACHED OUT
TO US AFTER HAVING HEARD OF OUR
RECENT SUCCESS IN THE NEWS. UPON
RECEIVING THE REFERRAL. WE
NOTIFIED OUR REGIONAL FUSION
CENTER AND BEGAN WORKING ON
OBTAINING A GVR OH, AND A
SUBSEQUENT SEARCH WARRANT. THE
RESPONDENT MADE THREATS IN OUR
JURISDICTION BUT RESIDED IN
NEIGHBORING, UH, CAN COUNTY. TO
SAFELY EXECUTE OUR OPERATION. WE
REACHED OUT TO CONTACTS THAT WE
MADE IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY, A
CONNECTION THAT WE HAD MADE
DURING A RECENT TRAINING. WE
EXECUTED A SIMULTANEOUS CROSS
JURISDICTIONAL OPERATION
SUCCESSFULLY SERVING THAT
INDIVIDUAL WITH THE ORDER.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE I'D LIKE TO
POINT OUT IS WHERE WE'VE HAD TO
FILE GVR OS ON TOP OF
PROHIBITIONS THERE WERE ALREADY
IN PLACE BASED ON THE ACTIVE
INTELLIGENCE. BUSINESS RECEIVED
INFORMATION THAT INDIVIDUALS
PLANNING TO SHOOT SEVERAL
EMPLOYEES WITHIN THEIR FACILITY.
AFTER NOTIFYING THE EMPLOYEES OF
THE THREAT THEY REACHED OUT TO
US TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING
WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO A SYSTEM
WITH AFTER CONDUCTING A RECORDS
CHECK. WE DISCOVERED THAT THE
INDIVIDUAL HAD A FIVE YEAR
MENTAL HEALTH BAN. AND SHOWED IN
POSSESSION OF THREE FIREARMS
WITHIN THE APP SYSTEM. WE FILED
THE GVR Ó BASED ON THE FACT
THAT THE CASE ONLY, UH, WE FILED
THE GPR BASED ON THE FACTS AND
DISCOVERED ONLY UPON SERVICE
THAT THE RESPONDENT HAD
PREVIOUSLY SURRENDERED THOSE
FIREARMS. UPON FURTHER FOLLOW UP
WITH THE DOJ. WE LEARNED THAT
THE RESPONDENT HAD, IN FACT
SURRENDERED THOSE FIREARMS, BUT
THE INFORMATION HAD NOT BEEN
ENTERED INTO APPS IN A TIMELY
MANNER. IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY
ISSUE FOR KNOWN INFORMATION NOT
TO BE ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM
AND AVAILABLE WITHIN REAL TIME.
LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE
SYSTEM AND DATABASES OFFICERS
HAVE ACCESS TO IN THE FIELD. THE
DOJ ALREADY TOUCHED ON THIS AND
HAS NOTIFIED US THAT THEY'RE
EXPANDING ON THEIR SYSTEMS THAT
THEY HAVE. BUT I WANT TO SORT OF
BRING TO LIGHT WHAT WE ACTUALLY
HAVE IN THE SYSTEM IN THE FIELD
. CURRENTLY THE F SYSTEM IS
LIMITED TO DIGITAL INQUIRIES OF
ONLY 12 FIREARMS. WHILE THE
SEEDS WHILE LARGE SEIZURES ARE
NOT A DAILY OCCURRENCE, THEY DO
HAPPEN OFTEN AND LAST YEAR
DURING THE SERVICE OF A SINGLE
GVR OH FOR A MENTAL HEALTH
CONCERN APPLICATION RECEIVED
JUST OVER 220 FIREARMS FROM THAT
INDIVIDUAL AND THOUSANDS OF
ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION.
OPERATIONALLY THIS INFORMATION
WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED
THE APPROACH THAT LAW
ENFORCEMENT TOOK, AS WELL AS
ELEVATED THE RISK ASSESSMENT
PRIOR TO RECOVERING THOSE
FIREARMS PURSUANT TO THAT GVR
Ó. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AN
OFFICER'S SAFETY ISSUE.
ANECDOTALLY I CAN SPEAK TO OPS
APPS OPERATIONS THAT I'VE
PERSONALLY PARTICIPATED IN
WITHIN OUR REGION AND WENT ON
THREE OPERATIONS. AND IN THOSE
OPERATIONS, WE CONTACTED
APPROXIMATELY 30 INDIVIDUALS OR
AT LEAST SERVED 30
INVESTIGATIONS. OF THOSE UH, WE
WERE AT 20% OF THOSE LOCATIONS
WERE UNABLE TO CONTACT ANYONE.
THERE IS NO PERSON AT THE
RESIDENCE OR NEIGHBORS HAD NO
INFORMATION TO PROVIDE. 70% OF
THOSE. LOCATIONS THE RESIDENT NO
LONGER RESIDED AT THAT LOCATION
AND HAD NOT FOR YEARS. AND. 10%
OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE ENDED UP
ACTUALLY CONTACTING HAD ALREADY
SUBMITTED PAPERWORK RELATED TO
THEIR FIREARM RELINQUISHMENT TO
OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAD NOT BEEN
PROPERLY OR TIMELY ENTERED INTO
THE SYSTEM. AND DURING ALL THREE
OF THOSE OPERATIONS, WE TOOK
POSSESSION OF NO FIREARMS,
AMMUNITION OR MAGAZINES. THE
BIGGEST CONCERN WE HAVE RELATED
TO APPS AS THE ABILITY TO
MAINTAIN ACCURATE DATA IN REAL
TIME. ADDITIONALLY THE CREATION
OF REGIONAL TASK FORCES WOULD
SERVE AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER TO
AID THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
WITH A TEAM OF PEOPLE. ALL
CONCERNED WITH. AND SPECIFICALLY
TRAINED ON THE FOCUS OF
ADDRESSING GUN VIOLENCE. THEIR
MISSION WILL SERVE AS A CENTRAL
LOCATION FOR AGENCIES AND
COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO RECEIVE
INFORMATION. WHEN WE SAY SEE
SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING, THEY
WILL HAVE ONE PLACE TO GO. IT
WILL BE EASY FOR ALL AGENCY
EARTH. THERE WILL BE A
COORDINATED PLACE TO FILL THE
GAPS FOR AGENCIES STRUGGLING TO
PIECE TOGETHER THEIR OWN
INDEPENDENT PROGRAMS TASK FORCE
WOULD PROVIDE THE LEGAL SUPPORT
LACKING IN MANY REGIONS. WOULD
BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADVICE AND
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AGENCIES.
NEW TO UTILIZING GUN VIOLENCE,
RESTRAINING ORDERS. THIS TASK
FORCE COULD PROACTIVELY ENSURE
THAT GUN VIOLENCE RESTRAINING
ORDERS ARE BEING UTILIZED
APPROPRIATELY AND EFFICIENTLY
AND DEDICATED TO ADDRESSING
THREATS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY
WHILE ALSO ASSISTING THE APPS
RECOVERY WITHIN THEIR REGION.
WELL OBVIOUSLY OPEN IT UP TO ANY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. WELL
I'M I JUST WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE
OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS I WANT TO
SAY THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU.
AND ALSO TO SERGEANT TONY CLIFF
FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THIS AREA
. YOU HAVE STEPPED UP IN A HUGE
, HUGE WAY. AND UM, YOU KNOW, NO
DOUBT. YOU HAVE SAVED LIVES
ACROSS THE STATE. SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND ALSO BEFORE WE
OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS, AND I
KNOW MY OFFICE AND SOME OTHER
MEMBERS WERE RECEIVING CALLS
THAT PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE
TO GET THROUGH. ON THE LINE FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO
OPEN UP THOSE THOSE PHONE LINES
ONCE WE GET TO THAT PORTION OF
THE HEARING, SO WE'RE GOING TO
FINISH WITH THIS PANEL. THEN
WE'VE GOT ONE MORE PANEL AND
THEN WE WILL OPEN UP THE CALL
LINES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I
LOOK HERE FORWARD TO HEARING
FROM EVERYONE AT THAT POINT, SO
WITH THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND
OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE
MEMBERS. I HAVE A COMMENT. MR
LUCKY? YEAH MINDS MORE A COMMENT
THAN IT IS A QUESTION. I DO
BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY ABOUT
FORCE MULTIPLIER. AND THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF MULTI AGENCY
TASK FORCES. IT'S PROVEN TIME
AND TIME AGAIN AND ITS
EFFECTIVENESS, HOWEVER. I DO SEE
A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN IN THE
CURRENT ATMOSPHERE RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE OF THE DECLINE IN MOST
NUMBERS, THE MOST AGENCIES AND
HAVING, UH DIFFICULTY WITH
ROUTINE SERVICES. BUT I DO. I
STILL THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER
THE ESTABLISHMENT OF SUCH A, UH
, MECHANISM BECAUSE CLEARLY. UM
THE APPS SYSTEM NEEDS SUPPORT.
AND WE HEARD THAT FROM THE
PREVIOUS STATEMENTS BEFORE AND
THE MINIMAL NUMBER OF AID AGENTS
THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE. I DON'T
SEE THAT GROWING ANYTIME RIGHT
AWAY. AND SO I THINK THE ONLY
WAY TO REALLY ADDRESS THIS WOULD
BE THROUGH A FORCE MULTIPLIER
USING A TASK FORCE SYSTEM
BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PROVEN AND
I THINK YOU BRING A VERY VALID
POINT THAT I HOPE THAT WE IN THE
LEGISLATURE CAN CAN BE A
SUPPORT. AND THE ESTABLISHMENT
OF SUCH A MECHANISM. I HOPE YOU
DON'T NEED THE LEGISLATURE TO DO
THAT. BUT MAYBE YOU DO. BUT WE
NEED TO COMMUNICATE BETTER. ON
THAT FRONT BECAUSE I, FOR ONE
CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M A STRONG
BELIEVER BECAUSE I KNOW OF THE
POWER. THAT COMES FROM. THE
PERSONAL CONTACT AND THE
KNOWLEDGE THAT LOCAL EIGHT LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS IS
INVALUABLE. AND ESPECIALLY WHEN
WE HAVE THE NORTHERN END OF THE
STATE, WHICH I'VE NEVER LIVED
IN. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE
DISTANCE AS QUITE IMMENSE FROM
COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY AND THE
AGENCIES ARE USUALLY QUITE SMALL
. AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY
HOPE THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE REAL
EFFECTIVE. AH SERVICE AND
IMPROVEMENT IN THE SAP SYSTEM.
SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT
TO OUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING HERE.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW MY BACKGROUND.
I WAS JUST RECENTLY A SERGEANT
LESS THAN A MONTH AGO WITH
SANTOS COUNTY AND THANK YOU FOR
DOING THE TRAINING IN MODESTO. I
TALKED TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES
ABOUT THAT AS WELL. UH TASK
FORCE OR NICE. THEY'RE GREAT.
I'VE BEEN ON THEM. THEY'RE GREAT
WAY TO BASICALLY EVERYBODY KIND
OF GET THE BURDEN OF THE BUDGET
THAT GOES ON WITH IT. I HAD SOME
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CLUE THAT
DOJ TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. YOUR
OFFICERS OUT IN THE FIELD. ARE
THEY ABLE ON THEIR OWN DTS OR
WHATEVER TO GET TO THE CLUE
SYSTEM? ARE THEY ABLE TO LOOK
THAT UP OR HOW? HOW DOES THAT
WORK FOR YOU GUYS IN SAN DIEGO?
SPECIFICALLY WITH CLUE. I DON'T
KNOW IF IT GOES UNDER A
DIFFERENT NAME WITHIN OUR
SYSTEM. UM I WAS GOING TO LOOK
INTO THAT WITH DOJ AFTER THIS
PRESENTATION TO SEE HOW WE'RE
BEST ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT. AND
MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO OFFICERS
WITHIN THE FIELD. BUT THAT IS
ONE OF MANY DATABASES THAT
OFFICERS HAVE ACCESS TO AND AS
TECHNOLOGY INCREASES WERE ABLE
TO BRING MORE OF THAT INTO THE
PATROL VEHICLE SO THAT OFFICERS
HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE REAL
TIME DECISIONS BASED ON MORE
ACCESS TO INFORMATION. OKAY
THANK YOU. AND FOR THE APPS
SYSTEM, YOU GUYS ON THAT ON A
DAILY BASIS. IT WAS TO LOOK AT
THAT AS WELL. WE CAN GO INTO
THAT IT WAS HMM. PUSH OUT
PRIMARILY TO THE SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENTS. UH, SAN DIEGO
SHERIFF IS THE ONE WHO MANAGED
OUR APPS PROGRAM, SO WE
COORDINATED WITH THEM TO DO
OPERATIONS. SO IN TERMS OF
RUNNING THE INFORMATION WE WOULD
REACH OUT TO THEIR ANALYSTS, AND
THEY WOULD PROVIDE US
SPECIFICALLY FOR RUNNING TARGET
PACKETS. UM TO DO THOSE
CONTACTS. UM AS CHIEF WAS
DISCUSSING. OBVIOUSLY WITHIN
LARGE REGIONS. YOU WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT YOU DO IT IN AN
EFFICIENT MANNER. UM AS OPPOSED
TO GOING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE
REGION. PICKING A SPECIFIC AREA
IN HITTING MULTIPLE LOCATIONS
JUST TO SAVE RESOURCES. YES AND,
UH, HOW OFTEN YOU GUYS SO THIS
TASK FORCES YOU GUYS GO OUT
MONTHLY? DO YOU GUYS GO
QUARTERLY? JUST AN EVERYDAY
THING FOR GIRLS TO CREATE THE
TASK FORCE CURRENTLY WITHIN THE
CITY OF SAN DIEGO. WE HAVE
MYSELF THE OFFICER THAT'S
ASSIGNED TO ME. AND THEN THE
REST OF THE PERSONNEL WITHIN OUR
UNIT IS HOUSED IN THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO OUR TASK
FORCE AT THIS POINT IS INFORMAL
. AH WE REACH OUT TO OTHER
JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE AREA OR
CONTACTED BY THEM AND THEN PUT
TOGETHER AND OPERATION FROM THAT
POINT EITHER US AS LEAD IF IT'S
WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION OR
PROVIDING ADMINISTRATIVE, UM AND
LEGAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE
BACK END TO THE OTHER
JURISDICTIONS GOT, YOU KNOW,
IT'S OBVIOUSLY MUCH SMARTER LIKE
YOU GUYS POINTED OUT, IT'S
BETTER FOR ME TO HAVE A LOCAL IN
THE AREA FOR OFFICER SAFETY
REASONS TO WHO HAS THAT
KNOWLEDGE OF THAT PERSON THAT I
MAY NOT HAVE HAD OR MAY NOT BE
IN THAT COMPUTER. WHICH BRINGS
ME INTO MY AND I'M SORRY. I HAVE
TWO MORE. UH THE DELAY THAT YOU
MENTIONED IN THE BEING TIMELY
AND PROPERLY BASICALLY REPORTED
. WHAT WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE
STEPS THAT HAVE TO BE USED TO
REPORT AND? AND HOW DO WE KNOW
THIS OR HOW DOES THIS EXPLAIN TO
OTHER AGENCIES? SO IF YOU LOOK
AT THE NUMBERS THAT WERE ALREADY
PROVIDED TODAY WHERE YOU HAVE
24,000 APPS MEMBER. ENTRIES AND
75 PEOPLE ACTIVELY WORKING THOSE
THAT IS A HUGE INFORMATION LOAD
FOR THEM TO PROCESS IN AND OF
ITSELF, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT
THEIR ACTUAL ANALYST LEVEL IS
OBVIOUSLY. 75 PEOPLE AREN'T
GOING TO BE ACTIVELY DOING THAT
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
COMPARTMENTALIZED INTO DIFFERENT
POSITIONS WITHIN THE
ORGANIZATION. SO TO GET THE
INFORMATION FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS
THROUGH THE ANALYSTS TO THEN
HAVE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY
PHYSICALLY LOOK TO MAKE SURE
THAT THAT INFORMATION IS
CORRECT. THAT'S WHERE YOUR DELAY
IS GOING TO COME FROM. OKAY AND
THEN MY LAST QUESTION WITH THIS
DELAY, YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT
YOU GUYS WERE OUT IN THE FIELD.
YOU CONTACTED SOMEBODY WHO DID
NOT HAVE DID SURRENDER THE
WEAPONS AND IT WAS NOT IN THE
DATABASE. AND WHAT WAS THE TIME
FRAME FOR WHEN YOU GUYS, UH,
MADE CONTACT WITH THAT PERSON TO
THE POINT WHERE THEY SAID THEY
HAD TURNED THEM IN. IN TERMS OF
WE GOT THE INFORMATION SERVED
THE GVR OH, IN TERMS OF THE
CONFIRMATION FROM DOJ TO THE
FACT THAT THEY HAD SURRENDERED
THEIR FIREARMS. I DON'T HAVE
THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. OKAY
SO WE DON'T KNOW. LIKE WEEKS
WE'RE TALKING YEARS WE'RE
TALKING. WE HAVE A GREAT
RELATIONSHIP WITH BUREAU
FIREARMS. AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE
POINTS OF CONTACT THAT WE'RE
ABLE TO GET INFORMATION IN A
MORE TIMELY MANNER. UM, BUT IN
TERMS OF 24 HOUR TYPE SYSTEM
THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY
BENEFICIAL. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE
AN EXTREME OVERHAUL. I DON'T
KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEIR SYSTEM
OF THE MODERNIZATION IS GOING TO
LOOK LIKE. IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE
THAT CAPABILITY, UM, BUT IN
TERMS OF RUNNING A REPORT LIKE I
MENTIONED WE GET 12 FIREARM
REPORTS BACK. AND IT COULD TAKE
WEEKS FOR US, IF PREVIOUSLY
WOULD TAKE WEEKS FOR US TO GET
THAT RESPONSE BACK AS TO HOW
MANY FIREARMS THEY ACTUALLY HAVE
. THANKS TO MR REDDING. WE'RE
ABLE TO SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTEN
THAT TIMEFRAME. UM, BUT IT'S NOT
THE LIVE REAL TIME. INFORMATION
THAT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND IS
EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL WHEN YOU'RE
OUT IN THE FIELD AT THREE
O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS FOR
COMING TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ASSEMBLE THEM UP
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DAVIES FOR YOUR
TIME. ABSOLUTELY UM, LISTEN TO
THE DOJ. WE KNOW THAT THE
INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE
PROVIDING TO YOU ALSO RIGHT NOW
, WITH THE DATA SYSTEM, THERE IS
LIMITED INFORMATION THEY CAN
ACTUALLY GET TO YOU WITH THE
SYSTEM THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW. WHAT
OTHER INFORMATION WOULD YOU LIKE
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IF THEY WERE
TO UPGRADE THIS? THAT YOU THINK
WOULD HELP YOU BE MORE
EFFICIENT? WHAT YOU'RE DOING,
ULTIMATELY A CONSOLIDATION OF
ALL OF OUR STATE INFORMATION
WITHIN ONE SYSTEM THAT TALKS TO
ITSELF. WOULD BE EXTREMELY
BENEFICIAL. UM IN ORDER TO RUN
SOMEBODY FOR COMPLETE CRIMINAL
HISTORY. WE'RE GOING INTO 567
DIFFERENT DATABASES THAT ALL
HAVE THEIR OWN. SHARING
ABILITIES. UM. SO IT GETS VERY
COMPLEX, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING
INTO A FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL
SYSTEM, SO THE CONSOLIDATION OF
THAT INFORMATION SO THAT THERE
IS NO DUPLICATION OR
MISINFORMATION, MISS ENTRIES.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE CREATING
DIFFERENT THINGS THAT POOR FROM
MULTIPLE DATABASES AND ARE
BLENDING THEM TOGETHER. THOSE
ARE HELPFUL. UM, BUT IT WOULD
TAKE A COMPLETE SYSTEM OVERHAUL
TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD
SEE ON TV. BECAUSE WHAT YOU SEE
ON TV IS NOT THE REALITY LOT
ISN'T NOT ALSO LISTENING TO THE
INFORMATION. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW
THAT RECRUITMENTS DOWN BY ABOUT
30% AND THAT'S ONE OF THE
BIGGEST ISSUES IN WHEN LISTENING
THAT REALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TIME
FOR YOUR STAFF TO DO THIS. THIS
IS NOW AN OVERTIME, RIGHT? THIS
ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE
GOING AND THIS IS THERE. 9 TO 5
JOB. THIS IS SOMETHING THEY
ACTUALLY HAVE TO WORK ON AS OVER
TIME, AND I THINK THAT'S HUGE
RIGHT THERE BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL
, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHEN
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHY PEOPLE
ARE LOOKING FOR THE FUNDING. I
MEAN, YOU KNOW? YOU CAN ONLY DO
SO MUCH. AND WHEN YOU'RE DOWN
30% RECRUITMENT. WE ALREADY KNOW
OUR OFFICERS ARE WORKING TIME
OVER TIME TO BEGIN WITH, SO
THERE ISN'T EVEN TIME TO USE THE
OVERTIME BECAUSE IT'S BEING USED
ON THE STREET AND PROTECTING OUR
CITIZENS. I THINK THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE. AND I
JUST HAD ONE QUESTION TO WHEN
THEY COME AND THEY ARRESTED AND
HOPEFULLY SAID YOU MAIN GOAL IS
TO ACTUALLY HOPEFULLY, GET THE
GUNS AT THAT POINT. WHAT IS THE
REVOCATION? BECAUSE YOU'RE
BASICALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT
YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND YOU'VE
GOT SO MUCH TIME, PERHAPS TO
BRING THESE GUNS IN. IS THERE A
TIME LIMIT? AND WHAT ARE THE
RAMIFICATIONS THAT THEY DON'T IS
THAT SOMETHING THAT ALSO NEEDS
TO BE LOOKED AT? AND THANK YOU.
FOR I GUESS I HAVE A CLARIFYING
QUESTION FOR YOU. ARE YOU ASKING
ABOUT GVR OS OR THROUGH THE APPS
PROGRAM REVEALS THE GUN
VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDERS SO
THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE IN SAN
DIEGO WHEN WE SERVE THEM PER THE
STATUE. WE ASK THEM TO SURRENDER
THOSE FIREARMS. IF THEY DO NOT,
THEY HAVE BEEN VIOLATED A COURT
ORDER. UM AND IF WE HAVE KNOWN
POSSESSION OF A FIREARM BY THAT
INDIVIDUAL AND THEY'RE FAILING
TO SURRENDER THEIR FIREARMS
THEY'RE ALSO IN VIOLATION OF
ANOTHER PENAL CODE SPECIFICALLY
FOR GUN VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING
ORDERS. UM, SO THEY'VE WRITTEN
INTO THE SEARCH WARRANT
AUTHORITY, THE ABILITY FOR US TO
OBTAIN SEARCH WARRANTS. SO IF
SOMEBODY DOES REFUSE RIGHT THERE
UPON SERVICE OF THE G BROS. WE
ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN OR HAVE AN
ANTICIPATORY SEARCH WARRANT IN
HAND TO BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND
EFFECTUATE THAT SEIZURE AT THAT
TIME. WHAT HAPPENS IN AGAIN IF
YOU CAN'T FIND IT. OBVIOUSLY WE
DO THE BEST WE CAN, UM, AS WAS
ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH THE DOJ.
THERE ARE OFTEN TIMES WHEN WE GO
IN LOOKING FOR FIVE SPECIFIC
FIREARMS, AND WE COME ACROSS
EIGHT ADDITIONAL ONES. UH WE DO
OUR BEST EFFORTS TO SEARCH THE
PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF,
UH, OR PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED TO
THAT PERSON. AH BUT OBVIOUSLY
JUST LIKE WITH THE ABSOLUTE
LIST. WE DO OUR BEST EFFORT. UM
AND THEN IT MAINTAINS EITHER ON
THE LIST AS AN APPS. OBVIOUSLY,
WITH RGB ARROWS WE DO MAKE
REFERRALS TO THE APPS PROGRAM
FOR WHEN WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FIND
THOSE SORTS OF FIREARMS, SO
WE'RE TRYING TO TIE EVERYTHING
TOGETHER. IS THERE ANY POLICY
THAT WOULD HELP YOU ON THAT? I
THINK IT'D BE MORE OF A
REPORTING FIX, AND I THINK THAT
WOULD GO WITH, YOU KNOW THE
DYNAMIC INPUT AND SHARING OF
DATA BETWEEN THE STATE AND LOCAL
AGENCIES THINK THAT WOULD BE THE
BIGGEST FIX THERE. THANK YOU,
JEFF. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DIXON.
CAN YOU HURRY FOLLOWING UP ON
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DAVY'S QUESTION
YOU MENTIONED THEY CAN OBTAIN A
SEARCH WARRANT, SO THAT'S NOT A
UNIFORM PRACTICE. DID YOUR
JURISDICTION DO THAT
INDIVIDUALLY OR HOW WAS THAT
ACCOMPLISHED THAT YOU ADDED
SEARCH WARRANT TO THAT. G V R O
G B R O SEARCH WARRANT AUTHORITY
WAS ADDED IN AH, IT'S
LEGISLATURE. IT'S A PENAL CODE
15 24 8 14 CORRECT IS THAT
CORRECT? EVERYONE THAT WE TRAIN
DO. AH SO THAT'S A BIG PART OF
OUR TRAINING IS EXPLAINING. THE
APPLICATION OF THE LAW AND LIKE
WE DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW. OUR
TEAMS OUT IN ALAMEDA RIGHT NOW
WE HAVE SEVERAL TRAININGS COMING
UP, BUT THAT IS A BIG THING THAT
WE PUSH OUT THAT YOU DO HAVE THE
AUTHORITY THEN TO OBTAIN A
SEARCH WARRANT, AND THAT IS HOW
WE WANT TO DO IT SO THAT THE
PERSON DOESN'T END UP BEING ON
THE ABSOLUTIST IN THE FIRST
PLACE, SO FOR PROACTIVELY ABLE
TO GET THE FIREARMS AT THE TIME
OF SERVICE THE WAY WE TRAIN
PEOPLE IS THAT'S HOW YOU WANT TO
DO IT IN A REGIONAL TASK FORCE
BECAUSE THE NEXT THE NEXT CODE
SECTION TO THE SEARCH WARRANT
AUTHORITY FOR G BUREAUS ALSO
GOES TO APPS. SO IF THE TASK
FORCE HAD A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO
ARE FOCUSED ON THIS, THEY THEN
COULD DO THE INVESTIGATION. GET
THE INFORMATION FROM THE COURT
MINUTE ORDER, WHATEVER IT IS,
AND THEN EXECUTE SEARCH WARRANTS
IN ORDER TO REALLY DO MAJOR
CLEANUP ON INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE
BEEN HARD TO CONTACT. OR HAVE
OUR OUTSTANDING THAT IF THEY'RE
NOT HAVING BEEN TRAINED AND NOT
ONLY MAY NOT KNOW, BUT THEN IT
GOES BACK TO THE RESOURCE ISSUE,
SO POOLING THE RESOURCES. SO TO
STILL THIS DISCUSSION DOWN. WE
HAVE TECHNOLOGY ISSUE. REMIND ME
WHEN THIS THIS WAS BEEN IN
EXISTENCE IN 2003, IS THAT IT?
SO IT'S 20 YEARS FOR THE ROAD.
11 4022 YEARS. HAS THE SYSTEM
BEEN UPGRADED? DO YOU KNOW? DOES
ANYONE KNOW? IT SOUNDS LIKE
THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT.
IS THERE A DEADLINE TARGET
COMPLETION DATE, BUT IT'S THE
DOJ TO THAT THAT IS UNDERWAY.
ALRIGHT PRESENTLY THERE, I THINK
, YOU KNOW. QUESTION THAT WE CAN
FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. T. O. J ON
IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT INCLUDES
SOME OF THE, UH YEAH
ENHANCEMENTS THAT YOU ASK YOU A
QUESTION THAT IF YOU FEEL
COMFORTABLE ANSWERING. SO ON A
SCALE OF 1 TO 10, HOW MUCH WILL
YOUR WORK AND ALL OF OTHER
JURISDICTIONS BE IMPROVED WITH
AN IMPROVED SYSTEM? AH, 100% OR
I MEAN SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT THE
PROBLEM THAT COMES WITH
DATABASES IS THE DATA IN IT'S
ONLY GOOD. IT'S YEAH, IT'S THE
DATA IN DATA OUT ISSUES SO THE
INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
SO IN SOME MANNER IF WE HAD A
BETTER IMPROVED TECHNOLOGY,
WHICH IS BEING WORKED OUT WITH
WOULD THERE BE A RELATED
RESOURCES ISSUE IS BECAUSE THE
INEFFICIENCY OF THE CURRENT APPS
PROGRAM CREATES THE RESOURCE
PROBLEM. IT WOULD DEFINITELY
HELP THE RESOURCES ISSUE BECAUSE
THESE ARE HIGH RISK SITUATIONS
THAT YOU'RE GOING INTO THAT TAKE
A LARGE TEAM TO MANAGE. UM IN
CERTAIN SITUATIONS IS LARGER
THAN SOME POLICE DEPARTMENTS
HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF ACTUALLY
HANDLING THEMSELVES SAFELY,
WHICH IS WHY THE POOLING OF
RESOURCES HAVING A MEMBER WITHIN
THE TASK FORCE, SO YOU HAVE A
SMALL DEPARTMENT. YOU HAVE A
MEMBER THAT IS PART TIME OR FULL
TIME WITHIN THE TASK FORCE. YOU
THEN HAVE THE ENTIRE TEAM TO
SAFELY EXECUTE THE ISSUE. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. WELL,
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR JOINING US.
REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
WORK. AND IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE
TODAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, AND
WITH THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND
TRANSITION TO OUR FINAL PANEL.
WE'LL BE HEARING FROM GUN
VIOLENCE PREVENTION ADVOCATES,
OUR JOINED BY JULIA WEBER, WHO
IS WITH THE GIFFORDS LAWCENTER
AND STEVE LINLEY FROM THE BRADY
CENTER. THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE. THANK YOU. AND I THINK
STEVE IS ON THE LINE, OKAY? GOOD
AFTERNOON. I AM JULIA WEBER AND
I'M, AN ATTORNEY CONSULTANT
APPEARING TODAY ON BEHALF OF
GIFFORDS LAWCENTER TO PREVENT
GUN VIOLENCE WHERE I UP UNTIL
RECENTLY SERVED AS THE
IMPLEMENTATION DIRECTOR AND AM
NOW AND A CONSULTING POSITION
THERE. I'VE WORKED IN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION FOR OVER 25 YEARS
BETWEEN 1999 AND 2017. I WAS
WITH THE JUDICIAL COUNCIL AS CO
COUNSEL TO THE FAMILY AND
JUVENILE LAW ADVISORY COMMITTEE
, WHICH IS TASKED WITH WORKING
ON ALL OF THE RESTRAINING ORDER
FORMS RULES DOING TRAINING FOR
JUDGES AND COURT STAFF ON ALL OF
THESE VARIOUS ISSUES WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT TODAY DRAFTED A LOT
OF LEGISLATION RULES CURRICULA
ADDRESSING ALL OF THE VERY AS
FIREARM PROHIBITIONS. INCLUDING
WORKING ON IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
GUN, VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDER
AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
RESTRAINING ORDERS. I I'VE SINCE
THEN CONTINUE TO TRAIN JUDGES
AND COURT STAFF ON ALL OF THE
ISSUES WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
TODAY. I CONSULT WITH THE
COUNCIL REGULARLY ON THOSE
ISSUES. IT ALSO INCLUDED A LOT
OF TRAINING AND WORK AND
TECHNICAL SYSTEMS ON THE
CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT
TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM KLUTZ
, WHICH IS THE OVERARCHING
DATABASE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT. INCLUDING THE AUTOMATED
FIREARMS SYSTEM, AND, UH, APPS,
OF COURSE. UM SO I'VE BEEN DOING
THIS FOR A LONG TIME. I'VE
WORKED WITH POST ON LAW
ENFORCEMENT TRAINING, AND I
WORKED NATIONALLY ON ALL OF
THESE ISSUES, TOO. AND AS I
THINK IT'S BEEN MENTIONED MANY
TIMES TODAY FROM SOME OF MY
ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES, WE ARE VERY
LUCKY TO BE IN CALIFORNIA WITH
THE ARM PROHIBITED PERSONS
DATABASE. AND RELATED SYSTEMS AS
WELL AS THE TEAM OF COURSE,
ASSOCIATED WITH APPS. SO IT
GIFFORDS. WE ADVOCATE FOR
JURISDICTIONS TO FOCUS ON
REDUCING THE TIME BETWEEN WHEN
SOMEONE BECOMES PROHIBITED, AND
WHEN THEY ARE SEPARATED FROM ANY
FIREARMS THEY CURRENTLY OWN OR
POSSESS. THAT'S BEEN EMPHASIZED
AS WELL. THE KEY HERE IS THAT,
UH, APPS HAS MADE THIS POINT IN
THEIR LEGISLATIVE REPORTS. WE
HAVE TO HANDLE FIREARM
PROHIBITIONS AND RELINQUISHMENT
PRIMARILY END IMMEDIATELY AT THE
LOCAL LEVEL WHEN SOMEONE BECOMES
PROHIBITED. LONG BEFORE THE APPS
TEAM IS INVOLVED TO AVOID ANY
KIND OF DELAY BECAUSE IT'S SUCH
A DANGEROUS TIME, AND WE HAVE
LOTS OF POLICIES IN PLACE FOR
THAT, AND MANY GOOD PRACTICES.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TODAY ABOUT
THE 24,000 PEOPLE IN APPS, JUST
A REMINDER THERE ARE MANY
THOUSANDS MORE WHO ARE
PROHIBITED. RIGHT THOSE ARE ONLY
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE KNOWN TO HAVE
FIREARMS AND ARE PROHIBITED. SO
WE HAVE A MUCH GREATER NUMBER OF
FOLKS WHO ARE PROHIBITED,
POSSIBLY ARMED BECAUSE WE DON'T
KNOW ABOUT ALL THE GUNS WE DON'T
KNOW ABOUT RIGHT, SO IT'S
IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT
BECAUSE ONCE IN AWHILE IT GETS
SHORTENED TO PROHIBITED PERSONS
. THERE AREN'T JUST 24,000
PROHIBITED, FOLKS. MANY MORE AND
EVERY DAY THERE ARE PROHIBITED
FOLKS COMING THROUGH OUR COURTS.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO REDUCE
THAT NUMBER AND WE HAVE TO FULLY
IMPLEMENT EXISTING LEGAL
REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THAT
WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER BECOMING
PROHIBITED, IT'S 24 HOURS THAT
PROHIBITED PERSON NEEDS TO HAVE
RELINQUISHED THEIR FIREARMS AND
WITH 48 HOURS WITHIN 48 HOURS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE RECEIVED IN
THE COURT FILE SHOWING THAT
THEY'VE COMPLIED. SO YOU HAVE A
HANDOUT TO HANDOUTS. ONE OF THEM
IS A IT SHOWS INFORMATION ABOUT
SP 3 20. ANOTHER ONE IS A CHART
OF CIVIL RESTRAINING ORDERS. UM
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, CAL
MATTERS DIDN'T INVESTIGATION. IT
SHOULD BE RED AND BLUE. PROBABLY
SO CAL MATTERS DIDN'T
INVESTIGATION. INTO HOW DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE RESTRAINING ORDERS
WHICH ARE FIRE ON PROHIBITING.
FIREARM AND AMMUNITION
PROHIBITING AND HAS BEEN AROUND
LONG BEFORE THOSE FIREARM
PROHIBITIONS WERE AROUND LONG
BEFORE THE GVR OH, HOW OFTEN YOU
SAW EVIDENCE OF THE RECEIPT OF
THE RELINQUISHMENT IN THE
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING
ORDER FILE AND OUT OF THE 20
CASES THEY PULLED THERE WERE TWO
RECEIPTS. UM AND THIS IS PRETTY
TYPICAL. THIS IS NOT BEEN AN
ENFORCED POLICY AND ONE OF THE
CONCERNS. I HAVE THAT I'LL SPEAK
TO THIS IN MORE DETAIL IN A
MOMENT IS AN OVEREMPHASIS ON THE
GUN VIOLENCE RESTRAINING ORDER.
WILL BE DANGEROUS AND DO A
DISSERVICE TO THE MANY WAYS
PEOPLE ARE PROHIBITED AND THE
PROTECTION THAT'S PROVIDED BY A
WHOLE HOST OF OTHER FIREARM
PROHIBITING REMEDIES. SO THAT
CHART SHOWS YOU PEOPLE ARE
PROHIBITED IN THE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDER
MATTER AT THE EMERGENCY STAGE AT
THE TEMPORARY STAGE AT THE ORDER
AFTER HEARING STAGE THAT'S HUGE.
VERY FEW STATES HAVE THOSE
PROHIBITIONS. THEY'RE PROHIBITED
IN ELDER ABUSE ORDER. THEY'RE
PROHIBITED IN THE CIVIL
HARASSMENT ORDER. WHEN A
NEIGHBOR IS HER ASKING, YOU ARE
PROHIBITED IN THE WORKPLACE
VIOLENCE PREVENTION ORDER. WHAT
WE REALLY NEED IS MORE
CONSISTENCY AND INVESTMENT IN
ENSURING THAT NO MATTER WHAT
DOOR FOLKS WALK THROUGH WHEN
THEY BECOME PROHIBITED, WE
FOLLOW THROUGH ON THOSE FIREARMS
PROHIBITIONS. AND AGAIN THE
OVEREMPHASIS ON GVR OS. WELL A
LOT OF THAT WORK IS COMMENDABLE
AND DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
LACK OF ATTENTION. THE VICTIMS
OF ALL OF THOSE OTHER KINDS OF
VIOLENCE, WHICH REPRESENT THE
MAJORITY. OF INCIDENTS OF MASS
SHOOTINGS HAVE SOME CONNECTION
TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND THAT'S
WHAT WE'VE SEEN THIS WEEK.
CONNECTIONS TO OTHER FORMS OF
RELATIONSHIP VIOLENCE, RIGHT
WORKPLACE VIOLENCE, ABUSE AND
HARASSMENT. GVR OS ARE THE MOST
LIMITED REMEDY BECAUSE THEY ONLY
ADDRESS FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
. THEY DON'T ADDRESS ANY OF THE
OTHER REMEDIES. FOR EXAMPLE,
ATTORNEY'S FEES. CHILD CUSTODY.
PET PROTECTION, PROPERTY
DIVISION. HOUSING ISSUES,
REFERRALS TO SERVICES. ALL OF
THE OTHER REMEDIES PROVIDE
ADDITIONAL REMEDIES. IN ADDITION
TO THE FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
PROHIBITION. SO 96% OF G BROS.
HAVE BEEN PURSUED AND OBTAINED
BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. THERE SHOULD
BE VERY FEW. GOV. ROOS IN APPS.
LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTS AS
PETITIONERS IN 96% OF G BROS.
THE OTHER FIREARM PROHIBITING
CIVIL ORDERS INVOLVED. ALMOST
ALL OF THEM INVOLVED SELF
REPRESENTED LITIGANTS, MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC WHO, IF THEY WANT
THOSE FIREARM PROHIBITIONS AND
FORCED HAVE TO RELY ON THE
COURTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
RIGHT SO THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE.
I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.
UM SO WHEN A PERSON BECOMES
PROHIBITED CORPORA SEEDING, THEY
SHOULD FIND OUT HOW THEY CAN
COMPLY. IT'S BEEN AMAZING TO ME
IS I'VE BEEN WORKING ON
IMPLEMENTING SP 3 20, WHICH IS A
PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT
GIFFORDS SPONSORED SENDER.
EGGMAN WAS THE AUTHOR AND I
WORKED WITH HER TEAM AND ANOTHER
ADVOCATE AND DRAFTING THAT PIECE
OF LEGISLATION. WE'VE BEEN
WORKING FOR THE LAST YEAR
TRAINING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN
THE STATE JUDGES, COURT STAFF
LAW ENFORCEMENT. ON
IMPLEMENTATION HOW OFTEN WE
WROTE INTO THAT LAW, AND THAT'S
THE SUMMARY YOU HAVE THE COURTS
ARE NOW REQUIRED IN DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDER
MATTERS TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO
COMPLY. THE NUMBER OF COURTS
SAID SAID TO ME, HOW ARE WE
SUPPOSED TO TELL PEOPLE WHEN WE
DON'T KNOW? AND I SAID, HOW ARE
PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO TURN THEIR
FIREARMS? IF THE COURT DOESN'T
KNOW HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TURN
IN YOUR FIREARMS. SO WITH
IMPLEMENTATION, INCLUDING THE
SUPPORT THAT THE LEGISLATURE AND
THE GOVERNOR SIGNING THE BUDGET
ACT, UM, THE $40 MILLION THAT
WAS MENTIONED. I'M GETTING
REPORTS FROM COURTS. IT'S
ANECDOTAL. BUT EVEN PRIOR TO
THIS WHEN WE HAD COURT RULES
THAT REQUIRED UM THAT PEOPLE
TURN IN THEIR FIREARMS IN THE
COURTS FOLLOWED UP. WE ARE
GETTING ANECDOTAL REPORTS ALL
THE TIME FROM THE COURTS. I'M
WORKING WITH TELLING US THAT
THEY'RE SEEING AN UPTICK IN
PEOPLE TURNING THE FIREARMS. SO
ONE EASY WAY TO DO THIS IS LET
PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY'RE
PROHIBITED. EXPLAIN TO THEM HOW
THEY CAN TURN THOSE FIREARMS IN
LOCALLY. CERTAINLY IT'S BEEN A
CHALLENGE IN LOS ANGELES WHEN
YOU HAVE OVER 25 LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES. BUT SANTA CLARA
CREATED EARLY ON ACTUALLY A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO INFORMATION
SHEET THAT SAYS HERE THE PHONE
NUMBERS FOR ALL THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OR YOU CAN
GO TO A FIREARMS DEALER. TURN IN
YOUR FIREARMS CALL BEFORE YOU DO
IT. HERE'S HOW YOU DO IT. THAT
HAS A HUGE, UM, EFFECT IN TERMS
OF PEOPLE COMPLYING. TO THE
COURT SHOULD BE EXPLAINING THIS
OR THEIR ATTORNEYS SHOULD BE
EXPLAINING THAT IF THEY HAVE
ONE, CERTAINLY IN THE CRIMINAL
CONTEXT WE'VE WORKED WITH
CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEYS AND
PROBATION TO HELP THEM REMEMBER
THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO TELL
FOLKS HOW THEY CAN COMPLY. AND
THEN WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN
THEY'RE SERVING THESE ORDERS
THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT
DESCRIPTION OF HOW THEY HANDLED
GUN VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDERS
WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVES
THOSE ORDERS. WHEN LAW
ENFORCEMENT SERVES DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDERS,
THEY NEED TO BE DOING THE SAME
THING. AND THAT ISN'T HAPPENING
CONSISTENTLY. SO THERE IS NO
REASON WHY WE CAN'T WORK HARDER
ON IMPLEMENTING LOCAL PROCEDURES
THAT ADDRESS ALL FIREARM
PROHIBITED PROHIBITIONS
CONSISTENTLY THE SAME WAY. UM
THERE ARE A LOT OF TRAGEDIES, OF
COURSE ON MY MIND, AND I'M SURE
AND YOURS TODAY. REAL PEOPLE,
UH, ADULTS, CHILDREN, POLICE
OFFICERS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS
WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN SHATTERED
BY GUN VIOLENCE. TOO OFTEN. OF
COURSE, THIS VIOLENCE IS BEING
PERPETRATED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE
ALREADY PROHIBITED FROM HAVING
FIREARMS. I THINK TODAY OF WHILE
IN GÒM, THE 10 YEAR OLD WHO WAS
SHOT AND KILLED BY HIS FATHER,
WHO THEN TURNED THE GUN ON
HIMSELF AND DIED BY SUICIDE.
VIOLENCE FATHER WAS THE SUBJECT
OF A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
RESTRAINING ORDER ISSUED IN 2016
AND EXTENDED THROUGH 2017.
HOWEVER HE WAS STILL ABLE TO
PURCHASE THE FIREARM HE USED TO
KILL WEILAND FROM A LICENSED GUN
DEALER WHILE HE WAS PROHIBITED
SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. WE
NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING
ON THE SYSTEM FAILED WHILE IN
THAT DAY AND I THINK OF CATLEY
TROUT, A 32 YEAR OLD MOTHER OF
THREE WHO SOUGHT PROTECTION FROM
HER ABUSIVE HUSBAND BY
REQUESTING A DVR Ó AGAINST HIM
IN 2020. KELLY HAD THE COURAGE
TO CHECK THE BOX ON THE FORM
INDICATING THAT YES, SHE
BELIEVED THE PERSON TO BE
RESTRAINED, OWNS OR POSSESSES
GUNS, FIREARMS OR AMMUNITION.
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THE PRESENCE
OF A FIREARM IN A DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE SITUATION MAKES IT FIVE
TIMES MORE LIKELY, A VICTIM OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WILL BE
KILLED. KELLY ALSO INCLUDED MORE
THAN A DOZEN PAGES DESCRIBING
HORRIFIC ABUSE, AND THROUGH IT
ALL WAS MENTIONED OF A GUN,
INCLUDING HOW HE KEPT IT IN HIS
POCKET WHEN HE YELLED AT HER
OUTSIDE THEIR SON'S SCHOOL, AND
WHEN HE THREATENED TO KILL HER
AT THE HEARING OF THE JUDGE
ASKED ONLY ONE QUESTION ABOUT
GUNS. SIR THERE'S NO INFORMATION
THAT YOU HAVE ANY GUNS OR
AMMUNITION. DO YOU THINK YOU
HAVE ANY OF THESE ITEMS? NO. HE
REPLIED. FURTHER DELAYS WITH
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, SEPARATE
INVESTIGATION AND AN EMERGENCY
PROTECTIVE ORDER. ALSO
PROHIBITED HIM BUT RESULTED IN
NO ENFORCEMENT OF THE
PROHIBITION SUGGESTS THERE WERE
MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO
INTERVENE TO GET THIS ARM
PROHIBITED PERSONS SEPARATED
FROM HIS FIREARMS. BUT IT DIDN'T
HAPPEN UNLESS THAN A MONTH AFTER
THE HEARING. CALLIE'S HUSBAND
SHOT AND KILLED HER IN FRONT OF
THEIR THREE CHILDREN, AGES 64
AND ONE SO WHEN PEOPLE BECOME
PROHIBITED, WE NEED ROBUST LOCAL
SYSTEMS, AS HAS BEEN SUPPORTED
THROUGHOUT THE TESTIMONY TODAY.
WE NEED THOSE SYSTEMS IN PLACE
TO DO THREE THINGS THAT AS OF
JANUARY 1ST 2022 ARE REQUIRED IN
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. RESTRAINING
ORDER CASES UNDER SP 3 20.
THAT'S THE SUMMARY SHEET YOU
HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. SO FIRST
WE HAVE TO ENSURE THE COURTS
HAVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION THAT
SOMEONE OWNS A FIREARM. THAT
INFORMATION THEY CAN GET FROM
THE AUTOMATED FIREARMS SYSTEM. A
FFS OR FROM THE FILE OR FROM
TESTIMONY. TO WE HAVE TO ENSURE
THAT THOSE WHO BECOME PROHIBITED
AND OWNED FIREARMS RELINQUISHED
THOSE FIREARMS BY GIVING
INFORMATION TO THEM AND
FOLLOWING UP WITH REVIEW
HEARINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE
RECEIPT ISN'T THERE. NUMBER
THREE ADDRESSES THAT WE HAVE TO
ENSURE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT,
INCLUDING PROSECUTORS, HELP
REDUCE RISK. BY FAIRLY ENFORCING
THESE FIREARMS PROHIBITING
ORDERS UNDER SB 3 20. WHEN THERE
IS A VIOLATION WHEN THAT RECEIPT
ISN'T THERE. CIVIL COURTS.
FAMILY COURTS ARE REQUIRED TO
REPORT THAT VIOLATION TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND TO THE LOCAL
PROSECUTING AGENCY. THEY'RE
REQUIRED TO REPORT IT
IMMEDIATELY TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND LAW ENFORCEMENT IS EXPECTED
TO TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION, AND
THEY'RE EXPECTED TO REPORT IT TO
THE PROSECUTING AGENCY WITHIN A
FEW BUSINESS DAYS. WE WANT TO
SEE MORE ACTION BEING TAKEN BY
PROSECUTORS. ONE FORCE MINT AND
THE COURTS IN THIS AREA. THIS IS
A SYSTEMIC ISSUE. UM AND WE NEED
TO SEE ALL OF THAT AND MORE
EFFECTIVELY IMPLEMENTED. UM TOO
MANY COURTS WHILE SOME ARE DOING
AN EXCELLENT JOB IN THE 40
MILLION, CERTAINLY IS HELPFUL.
BUT AS HAS BEEN NOTED, UH, ONE
TIME FUNDING HARD TO GET THAT IN
PLACE IN A WAY THAT WILL ALLOW
THEM TO HIRE PEOPLE. THIS ISN'T
A ONE TIME PROBLEM. WE'RE GOING
TO NEED ONGOING FUNDING TO
SUPPORT LOCAL EFFORTS. AND IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT THOSE LOCAL
EFFORTS, OF COURSE BE WELL
COORDINATED WITH THE APPS TEAM.
SO LAWS REQUIRING PARTNERS WHO
HAVE BEEN VIOLENT TO RELINQUISH
THEIR FIREARMS ARE LINKED TO A
16% REDUCTION IN HOMICIDES. SO
WE KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE KNOW THAT CONSISTENCY NO
MATTER HOW YOU BECOME PROHIBITED
IS IMPORTANT. WE STRONGLY
BELIEVE THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO
INVEST YES, IN GVR OS, BUT ALSO
IN ALL THE OTHER FIREARM
PROHIBITING REMEDIES. WHICH ARE
REFLECTED IN THE APPS DATABASE.
THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FOLKS
WHO ARE PROHIBITED WHO ARE NOT
HAVING THEIR FIREARMS TAKEN AWAY
AND THE LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THE
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE
PETITIONERS IN THESE CASES. AND
OFTEN, UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE WHO
ARE RESPONDING TO AREN'T GIVEN
THE OPPORTUNITY TO AVOID
UNNECESSARY EXPOSURE TO THE
CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM WHEN WE
DON'T GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO DO
THE RIGHT THING. TO ME. THAT'S
ALSO A FAIRNESS ISSUE, AS WELL
AS A CONCERN IN TERMS OF PUBLIC
SAFETY. WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE
UNNECESSARILY, UH, LIVING OUT OF
COMPLIANCE WITH THESE FIREARM
PROHIBITIONS. SO UM, I'D LOVE TO
SEE MORE COORDINATION THIS AREA
. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP,
OF COURSE ON THIS ISSUE, AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO ANY ANSWERING
ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK
YOU SO MUCH. MISS WEBBER. UH,
LET'S GO AHEAD AND TURN TO MR
LINDLEY. I BELIEVE IT'S HONOR.
YES. ON THE PHONE LINE.
HOPEFULLY HE'S THERE, HE SAID.
IT FEELS ANY TECHNICAL PROBLEMS
. I'M SUPPOSED TO PRETEND TO BE
STEVE LINDLEY, OKAY? WHICH WON'T
BE EASY, BUT STEPHEN LINK AND I
HAVE THREE YEARS OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE AND WAS
THE CHIEF OF THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT. JUSTICE YOU'RE A
FIRE 11,080. AND HERE ON BEHALF
OF REPRESENTATION FOR THE BRADY
CAMPAIGN. PRETTY IS ONE OF THE
AMERICAS. ALL THAT'S GOING TO
BUY THE PREVENTION GROUPS AND
PRETTY CONTINUES TO UPHOLD THE
LEGACY INVASION OF JIM AND SARAH
BRADY BY UNITING PEOPLE ON
COMMON SENSE. FIRE MONNING. ON
AVERAGE, MORE THAN 124,000.
AMERICANS ARE VICTIMS OF
VIOLENCE AND MORE THAN 35,000
ARE KILLED EACH YEAR. ACCESS TO
FIREARMS AS A CRITICAL COMPONENT
OF CHRONIC VIOLENCE, A
COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO
REDUCING CONFINED START.
COMMUNITIES MUST INCLUDE A FOCUS
ON REMOVING FIREARMS FROM THOSE
WHO SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. THANK YOU
FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING TODAY
AND ASKING FOR HIM PUT FOR THE
BRADY CAMPAIGN. AS PREVIOUSLY
STATED. THE AFT DATABASE BECAME
ACTIVE IN THE 2001. IT WAS ONLY
PATIENT INFORMATION FROM ASSAULT
WEAPON REGISTRATIONS SINCE 1989
AND HANDGUN CELLS SINCE 1996
SINCE FIRM SELLS IN CALIFORNIA,
OR WEALTHY PERCENT HANDGUNS 50%
LONG GUNS ABSOLUTE INITIALLY
BASED, ONLY HALF ILLEGAL
FIREARMS SOLD IN CALIFORNIA.
THIS CHANGE IN 2014 IN DOJ WAS
AUTHORIZED TO ALSO BETWEEN
INFORMATION ALONG THAT SALES. DO
YOU RECOGNIZE AND INFORM THE
LEGISLATORS THAT THIS WILL IN
TIME TO REALLY INCREASE THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE IDENTIFIED IN
APPS SINCE TWICE THE INFORMATION
WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANALYSIS.
ADDITIONALLY THE NUMBER FOR
HEAVEN'S FACTORS WHICH
IDENTIFIES HAS ALSO CHANGED OVER
THE LAST TWO DECADES.
HISTORICALLY ABSENCE. I'M SORRY.
GOOD JOB WITH ABSENT FORCE MINT
THROUGHOUT OUR GREAT STATE. IS A
ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AND BETTER
COORDINATION WITH LOCAL
AGENCIES. ABSOLUTELY. I'M VERY
CONFIDENT THAT CHIEF MARSHAL
SPOKE EARLIER IS WHERE THERE'S
IMPROVEMENTS AND GIVEN THE
RESOURCES DOJ KING QUICKLY. OVER
THE PAST 15 YEARS, DO YOU? J IS
UPDATED THE MANNER IN WHICH IT
COLLECTS STATISTICAL DATA ON
ACTION ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS. IN
2019. IN 2020 REPORTS OF YOU DID
NOT TAKE FULL CREDIT. EFFORTS
AND DROP CIRCLES. IT'S JUST A
CURSORY CHARACTERISTICS. WE
PROVIDE LEGISLATORS WITH A
BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR
ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS AND PLEASED
TO SEE THE DOJ AND ATTORNEY
GENERAL PONTA WENT BACK TO
PREVIOUS STATISTICAL
CHARACTERISTICS, WHICH WERE
ACCURATELY REFLECTED THEIR
ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS. CHIEF MARSH
PROVIDED AN EXCELLENT OVERVIEW
OF THIS TODAY. AS DESIGNED IN
THE EARLY TWO THOUSAND'S IS A
POINTER SYSTEM NOT INVESTIGATED
DATABASE. DO DILIGENCE IS
REQUIRED BEFORE EACH
INVESTIGATIONS. EXAMPLES OF THIS
IS PEOPLE MOVE AND MUST BE
TRACKED DOWN. THIS TAKES TIME
AND CONSIDERABLE EFFORT AS
PREVIOUSLY FILES ARE DELAYED.
INACCURATE. FREE, NOT LIST. ALL
THE FIREARMS A PERSON MAY OWN OR
POSSESSED. MANY APPS FIREARMS
ARE ACTUALLY IN A POSITION OF
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. YET
WE'RE NEVER ENTERED IN THE
AUTOMATED FARM SYSTEM THAT'S NOT
ALLOWING APPS JUST ASSOCIATE
THAT FIREARM FROM THE PROHIBITED
PERSON. LOCAL AGENCIES OFTEN DO
NOT HAVE THE TIME OR RESOURCES
TO TRACK AN APP SUBJECT OR THEIR
FIREARMS FROM CITY TO CITY. NOT
AN ACCOUNTING OR EVEN TO ANOTHER
STATE. IS ABSOLUTELY OF
OVERHAULING. YES, THIS IS THE
UPDATING. MORE EFFORTS ARE
NEEDED TO MAKE APPS AS AVAILABLE
AS POSSIBLE TO LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT. 2020 REPORT FROM
THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.
QUANTIFY THE COST OF GUN
VIOLENCE IN THE CITY OF
STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA ESTIMATED
THAT EACH FIREARM RELATED
HOMICIDE COST TAXPAYERS $2.5
MILLION. ACTUALLY INSTITUTE FOR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE FURTHER
ESTIMATED THAT NONFATAL INJURY
SHOOTINGS COST TAXPAYERS
APPROXIMATELY 962,000. ACCORDING
TO THE CENTER FOR AMERICAN
PROGRESS IN THE 10 YEAR PERIOD
BETWEEN 8 4017 THERE ARE OVER
30,000 FIREARMS REDDIT HOMICIDES
IN CALIFORNIA. DID YOU EVER
REPORTED COST PER FIREARM
RELATED HOMICIDE? THE CITY
STOCKTON. THESE FARM RELATED
HOMICIDES COST CALIFORNIA
TAXPAYERS. $76 BILLION OR 7.6
BILLION PER YEAR. INTRODUCES
FIREARM VIOLENCE AND FARM
RELATED SUICIDES. IS UNIQUE TO
CALIFORNIA AND THERE IS NO OTHER
SYSTEM LIKE IT IN OUR COUNTRY.
FOR THE WORLD. CAN BE APPROVED
AND WE SHOULD ALWAYS LOOK FOR
WAYS TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM.
IMPROVED COMMUNICATION LOOK FOR
WAYS TO RETRIEVE FIREARMS FROM
PROHIBITED PERSONS AS EARLY AS
POSSIBLE. ABSOLUTELY CONTINUED
TO BE A TEAM EFFORT BETWEEN
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT THE COURTS
IN THE STATE. PAST 25 YEARS,
CALIFORNIA HAS SEEN A
SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN
HOMICIDES WITH THE USE OF
FIREARMS. AND SUICIDE BY
FIREARMS. HAS BEEN PART OF THAT
REDUCTION AND NEEDS TO REMAIN
PART OF CALIFORNIA TEMPERATURE
USED FARM RELATED VIOLENCE IN
OUR COMMUNITIES. CONSIDERING THE
COST OF FIREARM VIOLENCE IS COST
EFFECTIVE IS CUTTING EDGE AND A
SYSTEM THAT CALIFORNIA SHOULD BE
PROUD OF. WE SUPPORT THE
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE
ABSOLUTELY FORWARD AND THE
STATES CONTINUED VIGILANCE AND
PREDICTING FIRE AND VIOLENCE.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
APPEAR AND JUSTIFY TODAY. THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, UH,
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP
FOR ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, MR LACKEY. I
HAVE A COMMENT AND I WANT TO
THANK BOTH THE PRESENTERS FOR
THEIR PERSPECTIVES. UM THIS MAY
COME ACROSS AS A GOTCHA, BUT
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT MEANT TO BE.
AH, BACK IN, UM 2013, AS WAS
JUST MENTIONED, UH WE HAD. MR
STEVE LINDLEY, WHO WAS HAD A
DIFFERENT FUNCTION BACK AT THAT
TIME. AND HE HAD A VERY DOMINANT
POSITION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE. AND HE WAS A FIREARMS
CHIEF. I BELIEVE AND HE ASSURED
THE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY THAT IF
THEY GOT THE APPROPRIATION THAT
CAME FROM SB 1 40, WHICH WAS $24
MILLION. THAT THAT APPROPRIATION
WOULD ENABLE, AND THIS IS A
QUOTE. WHEN ENABLED THE
DEPARTMENT TO CLEAR THAT THEN
EXISTING BACKLOG OF 20,721
ACTIVE SUBJECTS IN THE APPS
DATABASE WITHIN THREE YEARS. HE
SAID. I BELIEVE WE CAN ARREST
OUR WAY AND INVESTIGATE OUR WAY
OUT OF THIS. AND I'M NOT TRYING
TO MAKE YOU LOOK BAD. I'M JUST
TRYING TO ASK YOU. WHAT DO YOU
THINK WENT WRONG? BECAUSE WE'RE
STILL IN A VERY SIMILAR
SITUATION, EVEN AFTER ALL THE
MONEY SPENT ON A LOT OF HARD
WORK HAS BEEN EXPENDED. WHAT
WHAT'S GONE WRONG SINCE THAT
TIME? BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE A
GREAT SOURCE TO TURN TO 20. I
THINK THAT THAT ACTUALLY IS A
VERY FAIR QUESTION WHEN YOU LOOK
AT THE MONEY THAT THAT WAS
PROVIDED THE DEPARTMENT JUSTICE
AT THAT TIME, DO YOU? J WAS
COMING OUT OF A LAYOFF PROCESS.
SO THERE WAS A NUMBER OF HUMAN
RESOURCE ISSUES THAT WE HAD TO
WORK THROUGH, UH, WITH THE UNION
AND WHEN OFFICERS I'M SORRY
AGENT STARTED COMING BACK FROM
UNEMPLOYMENT. THEY WENT TO THE
BUREAU FIRES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO
TRANSFER UP. SO WHAT WE SAW IN A
VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME IS AN
EXTREMELY HIGH TURNOVER RATE OF
OUR AGENTS. SO THAT TOOK TIME
AND FOR US TO KIND OF BALANCE
THE AGENTS THAT WERE ACTUALLY
STAYING IN THE BUREAU OF
FIREARMS AS COMPARED TO LIVING.
WE HAD A TURBAN RATE OF ALMOST
100% AT THAT TIME OVER THE NEXT
COUPLE OF YEARS. WITH THAT, UM,
YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW
POLITICS, UH AND YOU ALSO LOOKED
AT WHAT HAPPENED IN JANUARY.
2014 WHEN YOU STARTED HAVING A
LONG GUN RETENTION AS PART OF
WHAT DOJ WAS ALLOWED TO USE TO
INCORPORATE INTO THE ABSTINENCE
BASE. WE SAW A LARGE INCREASE,
IF YOU LOOK AT DOJ WAS ABLE TO
ACCOMPLISH DURING THOSE THREE
YEAR PERIOD OF THAT FUNDING. WE
DID WORK AND INCREDIBLE AMOUNT
OF CASES TO ONE EXTENT OR
ANOTHER, WHETHER THEY WERE
REMOVED OR PUT INTO AN INACTIVE
STATUS, WHETHER WE IDENTIFIED
THEM AS BEING INCARCERATED OR
THEY WERE OUT OF STATE, SO IF
YOU LOOK AT THAT 20,000 NUMBER
THAT WAS IN EXISTENCE IN 2014,
MOST OF MOST OF THOSE 20,000
CLEARED IT'S JUST PEOPLE WERE
ADDED ON ON A DAILY BASIS AS
NORMAL AND THEN WE HAD THE
INCREASE WITH THE LONGER
TEACHER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
BY MEMBERS. ALL RIGHT. WELL,
THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US AND OFFERING YOUR
PERSPECTIVE REALLY APPRECIATE
IT. BACK TO CHAIR JUNE SAWYER
OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE THAT DIDN'T
THE HEARING ROOM THAT WE'RE NOT
GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND SO
WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP FIRST TWO
PEOPLE IN THE HEARING ROOM
BEFORE WE GO TO THE PHONE LINES.
SO ARE THERE ANYONE IN THE
HEARING ROOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO
UM, HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC
COMMENT IN THE HEARING ROOM
GOING ONCE. GOING TWICE. SO WE
HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE
HEARING ROOM WILL NOW GO TO THE
PHONE LINES. THERE'S STILL A T
AND T OPERATOR COULD YOU OPEN UP
THE PHONE LINES FOR COMMENTS,
PUBLIC COMMENT. THEIR NAME AND
ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. OH GO
AHEAD. THERE IS NO ONE AVAILABLE
FOR COMMENT. WE HAD GOTTEN A
TEXT EARLIER THAT PEOPLE WERE
TRYING TO GET IN THAT THERE WAS
QUITE A FEW SO RIGHT NOW. YOU
HAVE NO ONE LEFT THE WE. THAT IS
CORRECT. EXHAUSTED THEM. WE WORE
THEM OUT, OKAY? UH WITH THAT
THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS.
THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE
HEARING ROOM. THERE'S NO PUBLIC
COMMENT. ON THE ON THE PHONE
LINES, SO I WILL CALL THIS
UNLESS THERE'S SOME FINAL
COMMENTS ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE.
GO AHEAD. WELL JUST AGAIN. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP ON THIS
CRITICAL PRIORITY. AND THANK YOU
TO ALL THE MEMBERS JOINING US
TODAY FOR YOUR ENGAGEMENT. THANK
YOU AGAIN TO ALL OF OUR
PANELISTS. UH, I THINK WE ALL
LEARNED A LOT. UH, I I'M
ENCOURAGED BY A LOT OF WHAT I
HEARD, AND, UH HOPEFUL THAT
WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THE
PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE, AND I
THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED UM SOME
REAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONTINUED
IMPROVEMENT. SO LOOK FORWARD TO
PARTNER WITH ALL OF YOU IN
TAKING THIS FORWARD IN THE
LEGISLATION AHEAD. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT WE'RE
GOING TO CLOSE THE JOINT
INFORMATIONAL HEARING OF THE
ASSEMBLY COMMITTEES ON PUBLIC
SAFETY. AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND
ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW YOUR THING
WHAT IS THAT? YOU KNOW, HE
ALREADY WARNED ME BEFORE.