GOOD MORNING
WELCOME TO THE ASSEMBLY
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM. WE'RE WAITING FOR A QUORUM,
CALLING ALL PUBLIC SAFETY
MEMBERS TO COME TO A MILLION.
IT'S NINE O'CLOCK. FIRST I'D
LIKE TO BEGIN BY SAYING THAT ALL
WITNESSES WILL BE IN PERSON.
THERE WILL BE NO PHONE TESTIMONY
OPTION FOR THIS HEARING. YOU CAN
FIND INFORMATION ON THE ON THE
COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE, ASSEMBLY
DOT CA.GOV BACKSLASH COMMITTEES
. IN ADDITION FOR THE FRESHMAN
MEMBERS. UM YOU'RE ALWAYS
WELCOME TO SIT IN THE FRONT
WHERE IT SAYS RESERVED, IT
SERVES TWO PURPOSES. ONE IF YOU
SIT IN THE BACK, I CAN'T SEE YOU
AND CALL YOU SO YOU CAN COME AND
TESTIFY IF YOU'RE HERE TO
PRESENT A BILL. BUT TO THERE'S
ALWAYS SEEN IN THE FRONT FOR YOU
TO SIT AND AS OUR TRADITION, WE
TRY TO GO AND FILE ORDER. BUT IF
YOU ARE HERE AND AUTHOR ISN'T
HERE WE WILL GO OUT OF FILE
ORDER AND TAKE YOU BECAUSE YOU
HAD THE COURTESY TO BE HERE. UM,
ON TIME OR AHEAD OF TIME. SO I
BELIEVE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
SECRETARY COULD YOU CALL THE
ROLL? JOHN SAWYER. HERE, KNEES
BANTA. BRIAN LACKEY. ORTEGA.
SANTIAGO. ZUBER. THANK YOU. SO
THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING. ON A
WELCOME THE NEW MEMBERS. UH THAT
ARE HERE AND I KNEW VICE CHAIR.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S JUAN ELONIS.
ELONIS WE DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE
WE PRONOUNCE IT RIGHT. UM SO
LET'S BEGIN WITH OUR
HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS FIRST. GOOD
MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME
AND ALSO MS ORTEGA AND MR UM.
GOD THE BIRD. I'M HAVING A
MEMORY LAPSE THIS MORNING. LET'S
BEGIN WITH OUR HOUSEKEEPING
ITEMS FIRST. GOOD MORNING. I
WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE
TO THE FIRST COMMITTEE HEARING
OF THE ASSEMBLY PUBLIC SAFETY
COMMITTEE FOR 2023 24
LEGISLATIVE SESSION. UM. I WILL
ALSO, UM, LIKE TO WELCOME THE
RETURNING MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BOX TO BRYANT.
AND LACKING AND OBVIOUSLY I JUST
WELCOMED OUR NEW MEMBERS. NEXT
WE HAVE TO THE ADOPTION OF THE
RULES. ALL THE RULES HAVE BEEN
HANDED OUT TO MEMBERS. WE HAD IT
TIME TO PERUSE THEM, AND I'M
LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ACCEPT
THE RULE. MOVED. AND THE SECOND
SECOND. THANK YOU. CALL THE
ROLL, MADAM SECRETARY. JOAN
SAWYER. COLONIES I BANTA BANTA,
I, BRIAN. LACKEY. ORTEGA. OR
TAKE A I SANTIAGO. ZUBER ZEBRA?
AYE. OKAY? THANK YOU. AND I'M
LOOKING FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS
WERE PULLED BY THE OFF BY THE
AUTHOR AND ARE OFF CALENDAR FOR
TODAY. UM THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 10
A B 97 RODRIGUEZ PULLED BY THE
AUTHOR. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE A
PROPOSED CONSENT CALENDAR WHERE
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. A B ITEM
NUMBER TWO A. B 21 GIBSON PEACE
OFFICERS TRAINING. AND ITEM
NUMBER SIX A B 67. MURATSUCHI
HOMELESS COURTS PILOT PROGRAM.
THESE ARE CONSENT CALENDARS
ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
I NEED A SECOND. THANK YOU. ON
THE CONSENT CALENDAR. JOHN
SAWYER SAWYER. I ELONIS. I WANT
TO BANTER. I, BRIAN. LACKEY.
ORTEGA. ORTEGA I SANTIAGO. ZABAR
AYE. CONSENT CALENDARS ADOPTED
WILL NOW GO TO ITEM NUMBER 1, 80
18, JOE PATTERSON DRUG
CONVICTION ADVISEMENT REQUIRES
THE COURT TO ADVISE THE
DEFENDANT CONVICTION OF
SPECIFIED CRIMES. OH SORRY. I'M
SORRY. IT'S BEEN SO LONG. SO
WHAT SIGN IN ORDER? STATES. I
APOLOGIZE, MISS DAVIES AND I
APOLOGIZE TO THE OTHERS. WE
FORGOT. WE GO AND SIGN IN ORDER
HAS BEEN THAT LONG. SO, MR WE'RE
GOING BACK TO THE OLD WAYS. GO
BACK TO THE FUTURE. MISS DAVIS,
YOU MADE COME FIRST. ITEM NUMBER
SEVEN A. B 76 DAVIES MONEY
LAUNDERING. I'M ASSUMING THESE
ARE ON NOW. DON'T NEED TO TOUCH
ANYTHING. YES WE CAN HEAR YOU.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR MEMBERS
TODAY I'M HERE TO PRESENT A B 76
. I FIRST WANT TO THANK
COMMITTEE STEP FOR WORKING WITH
MY STAFF AND STAKEHOLDERS ON
THIS MEASURE. UNDER CURRENT LAW,
THE CRIMINAL OFFENSE OF MONEY
LAUNDERING REQUIRES A
TRANSACTION INVOLVING MONETARY
INSTRUMENTS GREATER THAN $5000
THROUGH A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION
OVER A SPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME.
HOWEVER THE CURRENT DEFINITION
OF A MONETARY INSTRUMENT DOES
NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE EMERGENCE OF
FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS INVOLVING
VIRTUAL ASSETS, SUCH AS A NON
FUNGIBLE TOKEN. AN EMPTY AND
CRYPTOCURRENCY VIA BLOCKCHAIN
TECHNOLOGY. THE TRANSACTION IN
THE TRADITIONAL FINANCIAL SYSTEM
INVOLVES A REGULATED
INTERMEDIATE TERRY, SUCH AS A
LICENSED BANK OR BROKER, BUT
TRANSACTIONS INVOLVING N F. T S
AND CRYPTOCURRENCY CAN OCCUR
WITHOUT THIRD PARTY OVERSIGHT OR
KNOWLEDGE OF ANY PARTICIPANTS
IDENTITY USING BLOCKCHAIN
TECHNOLOGY, MAYBE 76. IT'S A
COMMON SENSE MEASURES TO CLOSE
THE DIGITAL ASSET LOOPHOLE IN
CALIFORNIA'S ANTI MONEY LAUNDRY.
PROVISION. INCLUDING BLACK CHAIN
ENABLED TRANSACTIONS INVOLVING
VIRTUAL ASSETS. IT SHOULD BE
NOTED THAT AS WE HAVE SEEN IN A
RISE IN DRUG AND HUMAN
TRAFFICKING ORGANIZATIONS ARE
USING THIS TYPE OF CURRENCY TO
ESCAPE DETECTION AND CONTINUE
THEIR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY IN THE
UNDERGROUND MARKETS, AS
DESCRIBED BY 2021 GOVERNMENT
ACCOUNTABLE, OFFICE G A O REPORT
POLARIS AND NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATION KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT
HUMAN TRAFFICKING FOUND THAT
VIRTUAL CURRENCY WAS THE SECOND
MOST COMMONLY ACCEPTED PAYMENT
METHOD ON 40 PLATFORMS IN THE
ONLINE COMMERCIAL SEX MARKET,
WHICH HAS BEEN USED TO
FACILITATE SEX TRAFFICKING. WITH
ME HERE TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
OUR TONY MOORE DETECTIVE IN THE
FRAUD AND CYBER BUREAU OF THE
LOS ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT AND AARON WEST, A
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN THE
HIGH TECHNOLOGY CRIME UNIT OF
THE SANTA CLARA COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE
THANK YOU AND THE WITNESSES OVER
TOTAL OF FIVE MINUTES WHERE THE
WHERE YOU WANT TO SPLIT IT UP.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, YOU CAN
BEGIN. HELLO. GOOD MORNING.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CHAIR JOAN
SAWYER AND FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC SAFETY CODE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS ANTHONY MORE DETECTIVE
AND A 25 YEAR VETERAN OF THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT, WHERE I'M CURRENTLY
ASSIGNED TO THE FRAUD AND CYBER
CRIMES BUREAU, WHERE I
INVESTIGATE, UH, CYBER RELATED
CRIMES, INCLUDING NUMEROUS CASES
INVOLVING CRYPTOCURRENCY AND
MONEY LAUNDERING. I AM ALSO A
FEDERAL TASK FORCE OFFICER WITH
THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF
INVESTIGATION'S LOS ANGELES
CYBER TASK FORCE AND HAVE ALSO
BEEN A MEMBER OF THE HUMAN
TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE AND
INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN
TASK FORCE. NOW I'M HERE TODAY
IN SUPPORT OF ASSEMBLY BILL 76,
INTRODUCED BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
DAVIES. NOW THERE ARE MANY
REASONS WHY STAND IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL SOMEWHERE FOR
PROFESSIONAL REASONS. BUT BASED
ON MY TRAINING EXPERIENCE, WHICH
I'LL SHARE WITH YOU IN A MOMENT
BUT THE MORE IMPORTANT REASON
WHY I'M HERE AND WHY I'M
COMPELLED TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU
TODAY IS BECAUSE OF THE VICTIMS,
THE VICTIMS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY
CRYPTOCURRENCY RELATED CRIME.
NOW THOSE THAT MAY OPPOSE THIS
BILL MIGHT SAY THAT CYBER AND
CRYPTOCURRENCY IS A VICTIMLESS
CRIME OR THAT THIS BILL MIGHT
IMPOSE, UH FURTHER RESTRICTIONS
AND STIFLE INNOVATION. BUT I'M
HERE TO TELL YOU THAT COULDN'T
BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. NOW
SINCE 2011. I'VE BEEN
INVESTIGATING CYBER AND
CRYPTOCURRENCY RELATED CRIMES
AND ALSO EDUCATING LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND CIVILIAN
PERSONNEL ON METHODS AND
PRACTICES AND INVESTIGATING
THESE TYPES OF CRIMES, HAVING
TRAINED OVER 4500 LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND CIVILIAN
PERSONNEL FROM 150, DIFFERENT
AGENCIES AND FIVE COUNTRIES, UM
I'VE WITNESSED THE CYBER AND
CRYPTOCURRENCY LANDSCAPE CHANGE.
NOW I'LL TELL YOU THAT I AM AN
EARLY ADOPTER OF BITCOIN. OKAY I
BELIEVE IN WHAT IT CAN PROVIDE
IN CRYPTO CURRENCIES AND WHAT IT
CAN PROVIDE TO COMMUNITIES.
HOWEVER IN MY INVESTIGATIONS,
NOTHING HAS BEEN MORE IMPACTFUL
THAN WITNESSING THE FINANCIAL
VICTIMIZATION AND, FRANKLY, THE
FINANCIAL WARFARE THAT'S BEING
WAGED ON CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS IN
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. NOW I JUST
WANT TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW OF
MY CASES IF I COULD IN 2019
INDIVIDUAL NAMED PEDRO SUFFERED
MULTIPLE INJURIES AFTER BEING
INVOLVED IN TRAFFIC COLLISION,
UM, AFTER RECEIVING A
SIGNIFICANT SETTLEMENT AS A
RESULT OF THAT TRAFFIC COLLISION
DEPOSIT THOSE FUNDS IN HIS BANK
A FEW WEEKS LATER, HE GOT A CALL
FROM A SCAMMER ONLINE, SAYING
THAT THEY WERE WITH THE US
MARSHALS AND THEY WERE A FEDERAL
AGENT. AND THEY INFORMED PEDRO
THAT, UH, ALL THE FUNDS IN HIS
BANK NEEDED TO BE TRANSFERRED
OUT AND SENT TO THE U. S
MARSHALS BECAUSE HIS BANK
ACCOUNT WAS UNDER INVESTIGATION.
THREATENED BY THE SCAMMER AND
BELIEVING THAT THE CALL WAS
TRUE. UM HE WAS ORDERED BY THAT
SCAMMER TO GO TO HIS BANK,
WITHDRAW HIS FUNDS AND SEND IT
TO THIS CAMERA VIA
CRYPTOCURRENCY AFTER VISITING
NUMEROUS ATM MACHINES, PEDRO
LOST OVER $80,000 IN THAT FRIED
AND MY INVESTIGATION REVEALED
THAT THE A T M OWNER WHO WAS
OPERATING OUT OF INDIA WAS
RESPONSIBLE FOR LAUNDERING MY
VICTIMS FUNDS. THROUGH HIS
CRYPTO ATM MACHINES. MY COURSE
OF FOLLOWING WAS ONLY TO USE THE
STATES CURRENTLY INADEQUATE
MONEY LAUNDERING LAWS WITH
REGARDS TO CRYPTOCURRENCY. UM IN
2021, ANOTHER VICTIM ARE CALLED
LILY MINUTE. MARK HOPEFULLY
LEAVE SOMETIME. OKAY ABSOLUTELY
. UM THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO
MENTION WAS INDIVIDUAL NAMED
LILY, WHO WAS THE VICTIM OF PIG
BUTCHERING. AH! IT'S CALLED PIG
BUTCHERING, BECAUSE OKAY YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT OKAY, GO AHEAD.
I'LL LET YOU TALK ABOUT THAT.
BRING THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU,
PLEASE. GOOD MORNING, ASSEMBLY
CHAIRPERSON JOAN SAWYER AND THE
REST OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS AARON WEST. I'M A
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN
SANTA CLARA COUNTY, CALIFORNIA I
WORK ON A HIGH TECH TASK FORCE,
AND FOR THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS,
WE HAVE BEEN DELUGED WITH A
CRIME CALLED PIG BUTCHERING. IF
YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF IT, YOU
CERTAINLY WILL HAVE BECAUSE I'M
SURE THAT AT LEAST SOMEONE
SITTING ON THIS BLOCK TODAY HAS
RECEIVED WHAT APPEARS TO BE A
STRANGE TEXT. THAT'S LIKE HEY,
CAN I BRING MY DOG IN FOR
GROOMING OR HAY OR JUST A RANDOM
TEXT ON YOUR PHONE? THAT IS PART
OF THE HIGHLY MANIPULATIVE CRIME
THAT IS OCCURRING OUT OF
SOUTHEAST ASIA AND IS ATTACKING
OUR CALIFORNIA CITIZENS. WHAT
HAPPENS IS THAT VERY OFTEN.
ELDERLY PEOPLE RESPOND TO THAT
BEGIN A FRIENDSHIP. WITH WITH
THE SCAMMER. THAT IS A LONG CON.
IT CAN LAST UP TO A MONTH WITH
THE SCAMMER SHOWING THEM AN
ENVIABLE LIFESTYLE, SHOWING THEM
FLASHY TRIPS AND SAYING, HEY, I
WAS ABLE TO AFFORD THIS BECAUSE
I INVEST IN CRYPTOCURRENCY. LET
ME SHOW YOU HOW AND AFTER
DEVELOPING THAT TRUSTED
RELATIONSHIP. THE VICTIMS ARE
CALIFORNIA VICTIMS THAT TONY
MOORE AND I SEE ON A DAILY
BASIS, THEN INVEST THEIR MONEY
AND THEY INVESTED INTO A FAKE
PLATFORM. THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE
ABSOLUTE FALLACY. AND THEY SEE
THEIR MONEY GO UP AND UP AND AS
THEY SEE THEIR MONEY INCREASE IN
VALUE. THEY THEN LIQUIDATE
CHILDREN'S COLLEGE FUNDS. THEY
LIQUIDATE FOUR OH ONE K S. AND
WHEN THEY TRY TO TAKE THAT MONEY
OUT, THAT'S WHEN THE SCAMMER
SAYS MY TIME. OKAY ANYWAY, I
HOPE YOU WILL. I HOPE YOU WILL
VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS BILL,
WHICH CLOSES A SIGNIFICANT
LOOPHOLE. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE
HERE FROM OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. UM. NAME AND
ORGANIZATION, PLEASE KIM STONE
STONE ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. MORNING MR CHAIR MEMBERS,
RYAN SHERMAN WITH THE RIVERSIDE
SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT ALSO, THE POLICE OFFICER
ASSOCIATIONS OF ARCADIA, BURBANK
, CLAREMONT CORONA, CULVER CITY,
FULLERTON. INGLEWOOD NEWPORT
BEACH, RAMONA PALACE, RUDY'S
RIVERSIDE, SANTA ANA AND UPLAND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE FROM
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, FIVE
MINUTES CHAIR JOHN SAWYER AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY
TODAY. UM WE ARE OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED POSITION ON A B 76. I'M
JOHN POTTER. I'M HERE FOR DAPPER
LABS AND SO RARE DAPPER AND SO
RARE PRODUCING CELL AND FTS IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL
FOOTBALL LEAGUE, THE N B A MAJOR
LEAGUE BASEBALL MAJOR LEAGUE
SOCCER. THE PLAYER'S
ASSOCIATIONS, RECORD LABELS,
ENTERTAINMENT BRANDS, ARTISTS,
PERFORMING ARTISTS, TICKETING
COMPANIES AND THOUSANDS OF
INDIVIDUAL CREATORS. FTS ARE NON
FUNGIBLE TOKENS, WHICH IS
ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING UNIQUE
DIGITAL ASSETS. FTS ARE ON THE
BLOCKCHAIN. BUT THE SIMPLE TRUTH
IS THAT DAPPER AND SO RARE SELL
DIGITAL BASEBALL CARDS. DIGITAL
TICKETS, UNIQUE VIDEOS AND OTHER
MODERN DAY VERSIONS OF
COLLECTIBLE TEACUPS AND MOVIE
POSTERS THAT OTHERWISE YOU WOULD
BUY IT A FLEA MARKET OR ON EBAY.
FT. SPECIAL VALUE IS THEIR
UNIQUENESS AND THE VERIFIABLE
AUTHENTICITY OF THE UNDERLYING
DIGITAL ASSETS. WITHOUT THESE
ASSETS, AND FTS AND BLOCKCHAIN
ARE JUST TECHNOLOGIES LIKE PIPES
AND PLUMBING. JUST AS GOVERNMENT
REGULATES PIPES AND PLUMBING
BASED ON THEIR SPECIFIC UTILITY
AND THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THE
LIQUIDS THEY CARRY. SUCH AS
GASOLINE, WATER OR BEER. THAT'S
HOW MUCH MONEY LAUNDERING LAWS
SHOULD WORK. THEY SHOULD
REGULATE MONEY, CURRENCY AND
FINANCIAL PRODUCTS THAT ARE
CURRENCY SUBSTITUTES AND HAVE
CURRENCY LIKE UTILITY AND RISKS.
FOR DECADES, CALIFORNIA'S ANTI
MONEY LAUNDERING STATUTE HAS
BEEN ABOUT CURRENCY CHECKS,
SECURITIES, JEWELS AND OTHER
TRADITIONAL MONEY SUBSTITUTES.
IT'S LOGICAL AND WE HEARD
TESTIMONY. GOOD TESTIMONY THAT A
B C A. B 76 EXTENDS THE MONETARY
DEFINITION TO DIGITAL
CRYPTOCURRENCY. BUT EXTENDING
THE MONETARY INSTRUMENT
DEFINITION TO INCLUDE DIGITAL
BASEBALL CARDS AND FTS IS
ILLOGICAL. LET ME BE PERFECTLY
CLEAR. THE TWO LEADING PRODUCERS
AND ISSUERS OF N FTS, WHICH
PARTNER WITH THE WORLD'S
GREATEST ATHLETES, ARTISTS,
TEAMS, LEAGUES AND PRODUCERS.
ARE NOT AWARE OF A SINGLE
INSTANCE OF N F. T S
SUBSTITUTING FOR MONEY. CURRENCY
SECURITIES PAYMENTS OR
INVESTMENTS. IT IS RIGHTEOUS TO
INCLUDE CRYPTOCURRENCY IN THE
ANTI MONEY IN THE ANTI MONEY
LAUNDERING STATUTE. BUT THERE'S
NO BASIS FOR INCLUDING FTS. YOU
MIGHT ASK WHY THIS MATTERS. AND
THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE. IF N F. T
S ARE BRANDED AS MONEY
LAUNDERING TECHNOLOGY, IT
CREATES REPUTATIONAL HARM. IT
IMPOSES DISPROPORTIONATE
COMPLIANCE BURDENS AND INHIBITS
BOTH INVESTORS AND CONSUMERS.
THAT'S WHY DAPPER LABS AND SO
RARE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT
THIS BILL BE AMENDED, SO THE
DEFINITION OF MONETARY
INSTRUMENT DOES NOT INCLUDE FTS
BECAUSE THAT'S SIMPLY DOESN'T
FIT. WE APPRECIATE THAT MONEY
LAUNDERING LAWS SHOULD NOT HAVE
A DIGITAL LOOPHOLE. WE DON'T
THINK THE CURRENT LAW HAS A
DIGITAL LOOPHOLE, BUT ANY
LOOPHOLE THAT EXISTS CAN BE
ADDRESSED BY EXTENDING VIRTUAL
CURRENCY, SECURITIES AND
INVESTMENT PRODUCTS INTO THE
DIGITAL ALTERNATIVE WITHOUT
INCLUDING DIGITAL ART AND
DIGITAL BASEBALL CARDS. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO ANY
QUESTIONS. OKAY AND THE OTHER
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. SEE
NONE OF BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE. MR BARTON. THANK YOU,
MISS DAVIES FOR BRINGING FORWARD
THIS MEASURE, AND I THINK IT'S
ACTUALLY GOING TO BE VERY
HELPFUL TO PREVENT THE KIND OF
FRAUD THAT WE SEE. I DID HAVE A
QUESTION JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON
THE DEFINITION OR INCLUSION OF
NON MONETARY VERSUS MONETARY AND
FTS AND WHETHER YOU BE OPEN TO
ACCEPTING THE US TREASURIES.
DEFINITION OF N F T IN THERE. IF
I MAY. I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO
MY WITNESS. GREAT. THANK YOU.
OKAY, AND, UH. SOMETHING WHEN I
IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION
CORRECTLY IS WHETHER OR NOT IT
WAS MONETARY AND NON MONETARY
REGARDS TO N. F T AND ALSO
WHETHER YOU'D BE WILLING TO
ACCEPT THE DEFINITION IN THE U.
S TREASURIES UNDER THE U. S.
TREASURIES ANALYSIS. UM WELL,
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT, UH,
ENTITIES IN N F. T S THAT IN
GENERAL COULD BE USED AS
MONETARY SITUATION. UM IT COULD
BE USED TO, UH, PUT FORTH ALONE
AND EVEN I CAN'T EVEN SAY EVEN
CURRENTLY NOW ONE OF THE BIGGEST
TRADING MARKETS WITHIN AN FT IS
DECENTRALIZED, MEANING THAT
THERE'S NO CENTRAL AUTHORITY
THAT CAN YOU KNOW THAT CAN
EITHER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR Kò C
OR INFORMATION? KNOW YOUR
CUSTOMER INFORMATION OF BANKING
MALLS. THEY'RE KIND OF OUTSIDE
THAT WHOLE REALM BECAUSE THEY'RE
DECENTRALIZED. SO, UM, I WOULD
SAY THAT WOULDN'T AGREE WITH
THAT. I WOULD SAY THAT IT COULD
BE USED AS A MONETARY BECAUSE IT
COULD BE USED AS A DOWN PAYMENT
FOR DEPOSIT OR LOAN OR WHATEVER
CASE MAYBE I CAN TRADE IT IN FT.
FOR ANOTHER CRYPTOCURRENCY. AND
DO YOU INSTANCES OF THAT
ACTUALLY HAPPENING WITHIN FTS?
UM I HAVE A VICTIM THAT HAS LOST
OVER $2 MILLION IN N F T SCAM.
UM, THIS IS MY FOURTH FT
INVESTIGATION. WHERE UH, VICTIM
WAS SCAMMED OUT OF N F. T S AS A
RESULT OF THOSE N F. T S. THEY
WERE TAKEN AND ULTIMATELY SOLD
OR TRADED IN THE IN THIS
PARTICULAR SENSE IN THE END OF
TEETH REALM. AND HAS BEEN TRADED
OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND
WHAT IS KNOWN AS WASH TRADING
AND WALK STRAIGHT INTO BASICALLY
MEANS A PERSON THAT BUYS OR THE
PERSON THAT'S SELLING IN FT IS
ALSO THE PERSON THAT'S BUYING.
AND BY DOING THAT AND DOING THAT
TRADE THEY'RE MAKING PROFIT OR
THEIR. UM UH FICTITIOUS LEE
PUMPING UP THE PRICE SO THAT AN
UNSUSPECTED BUYER WILL GET AND
THEN FT. HAD A HIGHER VALUE. IN
ADDITION TO THAT, I'VE SEEN THE
SCAMMER, TAKE THE N F T AND ALSO
PUT IT FORTH FOR ALONE ON
ANOTHER TOKEN ON ANOTHER
PLATFORM SO IT CAN BE USED AS A
MONETARY INSTRUMENT. ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU ANY OTHER SCHLOCKY?
YEAH. I HAVE TO ADMIT I NEVER
EVEN HEARD. ONE N F T WAS THE
LASH. I MEAN, IT'S VERY VERY,
UM, MAKES ME FEEL VERY OLD. BUT
IT IS, UH, I THINK IT'S A VERY
LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION POINT. AND
I THINK WHAT SOMEONE NEVER BONTA
BROUGHT UP. IT IS A VERY
LEGITIMATE QUESTION, AND I WOULD
LIKE TO GIVE THE OPPOSITION THE
CHANCE TO ADDRESS WHY NON
FUNGIBLE TOKENS SHOULD BE
CONSIDERED A MONETARY INSTRUMENT
AT ALL. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A
VERY PIVOTAL QUESTION. AND I
THINK YOU HAVE A UNIQUE
SITUATION THAT DESERVES
DISCUSSION. SO WOULD YOU ADDRESS
THAT, PLEASE? THANK YOU,
ASSEMBLYMAN. UM I'D LIKE TO
START BY SUGGESTING THAT, UM, IS
IT DETECTIVE DETECTIVE MOORE?
DETECTIVE DETECTIVE MOORE WAS
SPEAKING OF IS, UM, GARDEN
VARIETY FRAUD. RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THAT PUMP AND DUMP. CAN
BE DONE WITH AIR JORDANS. IT CAN
BE DONE WITH TAYLOR SWIFT
TICKETS. UM OR OTHER CONCERT
TICKETS RIGHT? IT'S NOTHING
UNIQUE TO THE ASSET BEING
DIGITAL. AND IT DOESN'T MAKE THE
PRODUCT THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF
THE PUMP AND DUMP OR THE OTHER
FRAUDULENT THING. MONEY
LAUNDERING. MONEY LAUNDERING IS
ABOUT CURRENCY AND CURRENCY
SUBSTITUTES. IF THE QUESTION IS
IT IS SOMETHING OF VALUE HOUSES
ARE A VALUE. TAYLOR SWIFT
TICKETS ARE VALUE. ANYTHING OF
VALUE CAN BE USED IN BARTER OR
IN A PUMP AND DUMP SCANDAL OR IN
GARDEN VARIETY FRAUD. UM AND SO
THE FACT THAT IT'S ON THE
BLOCKCHAIN UM, DOESN'T SEEM TO
MAKE ANYTHING RIGHT. WE HAVE A
DIGITAL WALLET. THAT IS A
PAYMENT MECHANISM THAT
ABSOLUTELY IF SOMEBODY IS
PUTTING $100,000 IN A DIGITAL
WALLET, WE PROBABLY NEED TO KNOW
WHO THEY ARE. BUT THAT'S A
DIFFERENT UM, THEN THE N F T
ITSELF, WHICH IS ART. AND WE
DON'T HAVE THAT PAINTING UP
THERE BEHIND THE CHAIRMAN. UM
ART ALSO AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE
IT A MONETARY INSTRUMENT, RIGHT?
THE FACT THAT THE ARTIST DIGITAL
DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONETARY
INSTRUMENT. THANK YOU. I THINK
THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS WORTHY
TO, UH, HAVE FURTHER EVALUATION
. I'M CERTAINLY GOING TO SUPPORT
THIS MEASURE OF IT. I WOULD HOPE
THAT THE AUTHOR WOULD WORK WITH
THESE FOLKS, BECAUSE IT SEEMS
LIKE A VERY, VERY, UH LEGITIMATE
DISCUSSION POINT. IF YOU IF I
MAY. YES GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT
TO CLARIFY THAT A B 76 DOES NOT
REGULATE. THE FTSE ACCEPTED
PROHIBIT THERE KNOWING USE IN
ILLICIT FINANCE TO CLAIM THAT
DIGITAL BASEBALL CARDS CAN BE A
FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT BECAUSE
THEY HAVE NO INSTRUMENT
INVESTMENT PURPOSE. IT'S
CONSISTENT WITH THE FACT THAT
THEY CAN BE BOUGHT SO AND TRADED
SAME AS A REGULAR BASEBALL CARD.
IF I CAN ENTER THAT BRIEFLY TO
WHAT I WANT TO SAY, IS THAT WE
WHAT HE'S PRESENTED WITH REGARDS
TO LFTS AND, UH, YOU KNOW,
BASEBALL CARDS, AND THOSE THINGS
WERE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE. OKAY
FTS CAN BE MORE THAN JUST A
PAINTING. IT CAN BE A HOUSE. IT
CAN BE A DEED IT CAN BE. YOU CAN
SELL A CAR WITH IT. THE IDEA OF
E R. C 7 21, WHICH IS THE
PROTOCOL FOR THAT PARTICULAR
THING COULD BE ANYTHING WE MAKE
IT SO BY HAVING THIS COMMITTEE
AND THE PASSING THIS BILL WERE
THINKING FOR IN TERMS OF FUTURE
AND HOW POSSIBLY THIS N F T
COULD BE USED AND RINGING THAT
IN OKAY TOGETHER. QUESTIONS AND
COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
AND YOU MAKE CLOTHES, MISS
DAVIES, YOU MAKE CLOSER. THANK
YOU. THANK YOUR CLOTHES. OKAY?
WE ASKED FOR AN EYE. I NEED A
MOTION AND A SECOND. SECOND.
OKAY? FOR THE CHAIR,
RECOMMENDING THAT I AND I. THIS
IS I MEAN, BUT TO SHOW MY AGE
TOO, BUT THIS IS A IT'S A VERY
INTERESTING CONVERSATION, UM,
AND OPENED OUR EYES TO PROBABLY
SOME THINGS WE NEVER THOUGHT OF.
AND, UH, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR
THE CONVERSATION TO CONTINUE,
AND I THINK WE NEED TO FLUSH
OUT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WAS
BROUGHT UP BY THE OPPOSITION.
BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, YOU KNOW
, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND TALK TO
MY 20 YEAR OLD TO ASK HIM. DOES
THIS MAKE SENSE? UM SO CHAIRS
RECOMMENDED I AND AS WE MOVE
FORWARD, WE CAN HAVE A
CONVERSATION. ON A B 76 BY SOME
REMEMBER DAVIES. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS TO THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE. JOHN SAWYER, JOHN
SAWYER. I ALANIS I BONTA I,
BRIAN. BLACKIE BLACKIE. I ORTEGA
ORTEGA I SANTIAGO SUBURB.
ZIPPER? AYE. MEASURE MEASURE
PASSES. THANK YOU. IT IS FILE
ORDER ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TOT
SIGNING ORDER UP THERE, SILENT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TARA. A B 27
ITEM NUMBER THREE. SENTENCING,
FIREARM ENHANCEMENT. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR, SOIL AND MEMBERS
PRESENT A B 27 WITH THEY WOULD
FIREARMS SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT.
FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR THEIR WEALTH
WRITTEN. ANALYSIS AND WOULD LIKE
TO ADD THAT CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF HIGHWAY PATROLMAN
ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THIS MEASURE
IS NONE PARTISAN. AND MY FELLOW
. BLESS US LATER ON BOARD. SORRY
BUT I ONLY HAVE A READOUT IS
IMPERATIVE THAT WE DEAL WITH
FIREARMS RELATED CRIME. THIS
BILL DOES THAT BY SEEMINGLY
GIVING JUSTICE THAT EXPRESSION
TO ALLOW FIREARM ENHANCEMENT
WHEN IT IS IN THE INTERESTS OF
JUSTICE. COMMON LAW GIVE WAY TO
ENTIRE LIST OF MITIGATING
CIRCUMSTANCES USED TO DISMISS,
BRIMMING HAS MONEY. THIS HAS
RESULTED IN THE FACTOR
REQUIREMENT TO AUTOMATICALLY
DISMISS FIREARM RELATED
ENHANCEMENT WHEN A FIREARM ISSUE
DURING THE COMMISSION OF A
FRIENDLY A B 27 SICK TO RETURN
THAT THIS RESTAURANT AFFORD TO
JUST IT UNDER PIANO CHORD
SECTION. TOOK 18 80. 85 TO
INCLUDE AT FIVE ARMS RELATED
ENHANCEMENT. FOR THE USE OF
FIREARMS DURING THE COMMISSION
OF A FELONY BY REMOVING THE NEAR
AUTOMATIC SAMPSON FROM SECTION
18 85. OPPONENT OF A B 27 HAVE
STATED THIS MEASURE WILL
ELIMINATE JUSTICE RESTAURANT.
WHEN APPLYING FIREARM RELATED
ENHANCEMENT. HOWEVER THE TO THE
EXACT OPPOSITE. JUSTICE WILL
RETAIN THEIR FORTIES RESTAURANT
WITHOUT THE ADDED PUSHED TO
AUTOMATICALLY THIS MYTH. SUCH
ENHANCEMENT COMMITTEE ANALYSIS
MAKES CLEAR THAT A B 27 DIED
PRECISELY THAT MY INTENT HE'S
NOWHERE TO ELIMINATE JUSTICE
RUSSIA BUT TO ENSURE THAT
APPROPRIATE ENHANCEMENT OF LIFE.
THE FOLLOWING IS COMMITTED. WHY
USING FIREARMS? WELCOME THE
COMMITTEE INPUT IN ACHIEVING
THIS GOAL. I ASKED MY COLLEAGUE
PLEASE FOLLOW TO THEIR
COMMITMENT TO ENDING GUN
VIOLENCE BY VOTING, AYE. LIKE TO
INTRODUCE MY TWO WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. CASEY NEWTON, WHERE THE
SACRAMENTO DISTRICT ATTORNEY
OFFICE AND RON SHERMAN WITH
RIVERSIDE ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU
SO MUCH. THANK YOU. SIMILAR
MONTAG. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES
, BOTH OF YOU, MR. MR SHERMAN IS
AWARE OF IT THE TIME LIMIT SO
GIVE HIM SOME TIME TO TALK.
OKAY? I WILL. SURE I'M SURE WILL
KEEP ME HONEST. THANK YOU,
CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE FOR ALLOWING ME AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF
OF THIS BILL. MY NAME IS CASEY
NEWTON. I'M A DEPUTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY HERE IN SACRAMENTO. I
SUPERVISE OUR GANG AND VIOLENT
CRIME. THANK YOU. I SUPERVISE
OUR GANG AND VIOLENT CRIME UNITS
DO NOT SIT. UM NOT A FIRST
RESPONDER, SO I DON'T DEAL WITH
VICTIMS OF GUN CRIMES AT THE
SCENE. BUT I'M RIGHT BEHIND
THAT'S RESERVED FOR OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT. BUT I DO SIT WITH
THE VICTIM FAMILIES. I SIT WITH
THEM IN ROOMS AFTER THEIR LOVED
ONES HAVE BEEN HURT OR LOST AND
EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY WE WILL DO
WHATEVER WE CAN TO PROSECUTE
CASES JUSTLY AND INVOLVING JUST
NOT EXCESSIVE PUNISHMENT THAT
FITS THE CRIME. AND GUN
ENHANCEMENTS ARE A CRITICAL TOOL
TO HELP PROVIDE JUSTICE TO
VICTIMS IN CALIFORNIA. OUR
MESSAGE SHOULD BE CLEAR, WHICH
IS USE A GUN IN A VIOLENT CRIME
AND SUFFER THE MAXIMUM
CONSEQUENCES. THOSE CONSEQUENCES
ARE NEITHER EXCESSIVE OR IN JUST
WHEN TOLD TO A FAMILY SITTING IN
A ROOM WITH A FAMILY DESCRIBING
TO THEM. WHY UH, SOME PERSON MAY
OR MAY NOT BE LET OUT OF PRISON
AFTER USING A GUN CRIME. SEVERAL
YEARS AGO, I PROSECUTED A CASE
WITH A GANG MEMBER WHO SHARED
NOTHING MORE THAN A NASTY GLANCE
WITH ANOTHER PERSON DECIDED TO
TAKE OUT A GUN. FOLLOW THAT
PERSON DOWN AN ALLEYWAY AND
SHOOT INTO A CROWD OF PEOPLE.
THERE WERE SEVEN PEOPLE, ONE OF
WHICH LOST AN EYE, ONE OF WHICH
HAD TO HAVE A FULL OF HIS
INTESTINE REMOVED. THE IDEA THAT
THAT INDIVIDUAL SHOULDN'T SUFFER
. THE CONSEQUENCE OF A GUN USED
ENHANCEMENT IS FRANKLY ABSURD.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED THESE GUN
ENHANCEMENTS. DEFENDANTS ARE
INCREASINGLY USING GUNS TO
COMMIT VIOLENT CRIME. THAT IS
NOT A SECRET FOR A SURPRISE HERE
IN OUR CAPITAL CITY, SACRAMENTO
HAS INCREASED A RASH OF GUN
VIOLENCE, INCLUDING RIGHT HERE
IN DOWNTOWN SACRAMENTO. WE'RE
ALL AWARE OF THOSE INCIDENTS.
DOWNTOWN SACRAMENTO SHOULD NOT
BE LITTERED WITH SHELL CASINGS,
BUT IT IS AND WE HAVE TO ACT TO
STOP. THAT USE. HOW OFTEN ARE WE
LEARNING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS USING
FIREARMS IN CRIMES? THAT NUMBER
ONE SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD THEM AT
ALL. ALL THE TIME. FIREARMS THAT
ARE ILLEGAL ALL THE TIME. THE
WAY TO COMBAT THAT RASH OF
VIOLENCE IS BY SIMPLE SIMPLY
IMPOSING THE PUNISHMENT. THAT
THE LEGISLATURE HAS DEEMED
APPROPRIATE IN THESE CASES. UH
SACRAMENTO COUNTY ALONE IN 2022
. THERE WERE 112 HOMICIDES. 84
OF THOSE INVOLVED THE USE OF A
FIREARM. I'M NOT SUPER FANTASTIC
AT MATH. THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA
ATTORNEY BUT THAT'S STRAIGHT UP
75. SO GUN CRIMES ARE PROLIFIC
AND IT'S NOT GUN CRIMES. I DON'T
LIKE THAT TERM, IT'S PEOPLE
USING GUNS IN CRIME OF THE
PEOPLE WE PROSECUTE. WE DON'T
PROSECUTE THE GUNS. WE PROSECUTE
THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE TO BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE AND WHAT I'LL SAY IN
CLOSING IS EVERY ONE OF THESE RE
SENTENCING HEARINGS THAT WE GO
THROUGH. AFTER A CONVICTION
AFTER A JURY HAS FOUND THAT A
PARTICULAR DEFENDANT HAS USED A
GUN IN THE CRIME. AFTER THAT
DETERMINATION HAS BEEN MADE
EVERY ONE OF THESE HEARINGS.
THESE GUN RE SENTENCING HEARINGS
RE TRAUMATIZES, THE FAMILIES OF
THE VICTIMS AND THE VICTIMS
THEMSELVES WHERE I HAVE TO TELL
THEM WE'RE GOING TO COURT AGAIN
TO TRY TO ARGUE TO A JUDGE. WHY,
UH THE WHY THE ENHANCEMENT
SHOULD BE OPPOSED. IMPOSED THANK
YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, MR
RIGHT? THANKS MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS, RYAN SHIMMER WITH THE
RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION
AND A HANDFUL OF ALERT LAW
ENFORCEMENT ASSOCIATIONS AROUND
THE STATE. ARE MEMBERS ARE
APPRECIATIVE OF THE EFFORTS THIS
LEGISLATURE HAS MADE IN THE PAST
TO RESTRICT THE LAWFUL ABILITY
OF CERTAIN PERSONS TO OWN OR
POSSESS FIREARMS, INCLUDING
CONVICTED, VIOLENT FELONS ARE
MEMBERS HAVE SUPPORTED MOST OF
THESE BILLS. THEY HAVE SOUGHT TO
EXPAND GVR OS AND THE ARMED
PROHIBITED PERSONS LIST.
UNFORTUNATELY CRIMINALS DON'T
FOLLOW THESE LAWS AND THEY
CONTINUE TO ILLEGALLY OBTAIN
FIREARMS AND USE THEM AGAINST
LAW ABIDING PERSONS AND EVEN
AGAINST CALIFORNIA'S SWORN PEACE
OFFICERS. IN JUST THE LAST TWO
MONTHS TO RIVERSIDE COUNTY
DEPUTIES AND ONE SUMMER POLICE
OFFICER WERE SHOT TO DEATH BY
REPEAT OFFENDERS WHO ARE
ILLEGALLY POSSESSING FIREARMS.
THESE CRIMINALS BROKE THE LAW BY
POSSESSING FIREARMS BEFORE THEY
BROKE THE LAW AGAIN AND KILLED
THREE COPS. SOMETHING MORE
IMPACTFUL NEEDS TO BE DONE TO
PROTECT OUR MEMBERS AND THE
PUBLIC SUPPORT THE GOAL OF A B
27 TO BETTER EMPOWER THE COURTS
WITH THE DISCRETION TO DETERMINE
IF ADDITIONAL INCARCERATION FOR
FELONS WHO COMMIT VIOLENT
FIREARM OFFENSES IS APPROPRIATE
. OPPONENTS HAVE MADE SPECIOUS
CLAIMS ABOUT THE DETERRENT
EFFECT AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY
BENEFITS OF INCREASED PRISON
SENTENCES FOR REPEAT VIOLENT
OFFENDERS. HOWEVER WHEN IT COMES
TO INCARCERATION AND THE SAFETY
OF THE PUBLIC, ONE INESCAPABLE
FACT CANNOT BE CONTROVERTED.
REPEAT VIOLENT AND ARMED
OFFENDERS ARE 100% DETERRED.
FROM RE OFFENDING WHILE THEY ARE
INCARCERATED. NOT ONE SINGLE NEW
INNOCENT VICTIM WILL BE CREATED
QUALITIES REPEAT OFFENDERS ARE
LOCKED UP. THIS IS A SPECIFIC
DETERRENCE. AND IT WAS 100%
EFFECTIVE. FOR THESE REASONS WE
SUPPORTED B 27 RESPECTFULLY
REQUESTS AND I VOTE. THANK YOU
ANY OTHER IN SUPPORT? GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
MATTHEW CYBERLINK ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA PEACE OFFICERS
ASSOCIATION AND THE ASSOCIATION
FOR LOS ANGELES. DEPUTY SHERIFFS
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. KIM STONE STONE ADVOCACY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MR
CHAIRMAN OF MEMBERS CARL LONDON
ON BEHALF OF CRIME VICTIMS
UNITED ALSO IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU, SIR. AUDREY WRITE A CHECK
FROM CRUZ STRATEGIES ON BEHALF
OF THE ORANGE COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU NOW. HEAR FROM ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. COULD
YOU? YES. AND YOU TWO HAVE FIVE
MINUTES. WHEREVER WAY. YOU WANT
TO. DIVIDE THAT TIME. THANK YOU
YOUR HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE, BUT
WE HAVE A NEW BEAT. BUT WE HAVE
BEEN HERE BEFORE. SO THEN HERE
BEFORE AND BETTER GOOD MORNING,
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
CARMEN NICOLE COX. AND I'M THE
DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
AT A C L U COLLECTION. I AM HERE
REPRESENTING THE ORGANIZATION
TODAY AND WE ARE RESPECTFULLY
BUT REGRETTABLY OPPOSED TO 27.
WHILE WE SHARE THE AUTHORS GOAL
OF REDUCING GUN VIOLENCE. WE DO
NOT BELIEVE A B 27 WILL
ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL. ALTHOUGH
PEOPLE WILL SERVE LONGER PRISON
SENTENCES, THIS WILL NOT
INCREASE DETERRENCE NOR
MEANINGFULLY PREVENT CRIME BY
IMPACT INCAPACITATION. RESEARCH
HAS SHOWN THAT TO THE EXTENT
CRIMINAL LAWS DETER CRIME, IT IS
THE CERTAINTY OF PUNISHMENT AS
OPPOSED TO THE SEVERITY OF
PUNISHMENT THAT SERVES AS A
DETERRENT VALUE. THE NATIONAL
INSTITUTE OF JUSTICE HAS FOUND
INCREASING PUNISHMENT IS NOT
ONLY INEFFECTIVE, IT MAY
ACTUALLY EXACERBATE RECIDIVISM
AND REDUCE PUBLIC SAFETY.
RELATED LEE HISTORY HAS
CONCLUSIVELY SHOWN THAT
ENHANCEMENTS, INCREASED RACIAL
DISPARITIES AND DRIVE OVER
INCARCERATION. THAT'S
AGGRAVATING THE ROOT CAUSES OF
CRIME. THIS IS WHY A C L U
CALIFORNIA ACTION SPONSORED
SENATE BILL 6 2020 17 TO GRANT
THE COURT'S DISCRETION WHEN IT
IS IN THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE TO
STRIKE A FIREARM RELATED
ENHANCEMENT. A B 27 AMENDS PENAL
CODE SECTION 13 85 TO REMOVE
DISCRETION EVEN THOUGH THERE IS
NO INDICATION THAT JUDGES HAVE
ABUSED HIS DISCRETION WHEN WE
STRIPPED JUDGES OF DISCRETION WE
EFFICIENTLY FACILITATE PRISON
OVERCROWDING AND INJUSTICE THAT
WILL BE DISPROPORTIONATELY
EXPERIENCED BY BLACK, AMERICAN,
INDIAN AND LATIN X MEN AS WELL
AS L G B T Q. I A PEOPLE AND
WHILE PRISON OVERCROWDING DOES
NOT MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES SAFER,
IT DOES RESULT IN INHUMANE
PRISON CONDITIONS COST TAXPAYERS
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
LITIGATION AND STYMIES
REHABILITATION. BECAUSE IT
OFFERS NO PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFIT
. A C L U CAL ACTION IS IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 27. THANK YOU.
EXT. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
MARCO GEORGE AND I'M HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION TO A B 27. UM JUST
TWO YEARS AGO, SB 81 WAS SIGNED
INTO LAW. WHICH ATTEMPTED TO, UM
GIVE JUDGES GUIDED DISCRETION
AND ENACTED A NUMBER OF FACTORS
THAT, UM JUDGES SHOULD CONSIDER
AND EXERCISING THEIR DISCRETION.
BUT UNLIKE WHAT THE PROPONENTS
OF A B 27 MISTAKENLY CONTEND THE
STATUTE DID NOT REQUIRE THE
SENTENCING COURT IN DANGER,
PUBLIC SAFETY AND IN FACT UM
JUST. FRIDAY LAST FRIDAY, THE
COURTS AGAINST SAID NO, THE
LEGISLATURE DID NOT ENACT
LEGISLATION ENDANGERING PUBLIC
SAFETY. UM THEY HAD NO TROUBLE
CONCLUDING THAT A TRIAL COURT IS
NOT REQUIRED TO DISMISS THE
ENHANCEMENT IF IT WOULD ENDANGER
PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THEY SAID,
YOU DON'T EVEN GET TO THE LIST
OF THE FACTORS TO CONSIDER. IN
TERMS OF DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT
TO JUST MISS THE ENHANCEMENT. IF
IT WOULD ENDANGER PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND THAT MEANS THAT THE
LIKELIHOOD OF THE DISMISSAL OF
THE ENHANCEMENT WOULD RESULT IN
PHYSICAL INJURY OR OTHER SERIOUS
DANGER TO OTHERS. IN OTHER
WORDS. ONLY IF THE COURT DOES
NOT FIND THAT THE DISMISSAL OF
THE ENHANCEMENT WOULD ENDANGER
PUBLIC SAFETY SHOULD IT CONSIDER
ENDANGER, CONSIDER DISMISSING
THE ENHANCEMENT. SO I WOULD ALSO
ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY
COLLEAGUE FROM THE A C L U AND
WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR NO
VOTE ON A B 27. THANK YOU. ARE
THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION NAME AND ORGANIZATION
DANICA ROAD, ARMEL ON BEHALF OF
INITIATE JUSTICE IN THE SAN
FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
OFFICE IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, MASTER HERNANDEZ
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ATTORNEYS FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE
STATEWIDE ASSOCIATION OF
CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEYS IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. TÌM TRAN
ON BEHALF OF THE ELLA BAKER
CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND
OPPOSITION. ANY OTHER WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION. NOW WE'LL BRING
IT BACK TO COMMITTEE FOR ANY
QUESTIONS OR STATEMENTS. MR
LACKEY. YEAH, I THINK WHAT'S A
DEBATE HERE TO SOME DEGREE? AS
THE STANDARD OF PROOF. THAT THIS
BILL IS ADDRESSING AND THE
STANDARD OF PROOF IS QUITE HIGH.
AND THAT AND THIS BILL STILL
GIVES JUDICIAL DISCRETION UNLIKE
IT INDICATES IN THERE. THE
COMMITTEE'S ASSESSMENT
INDICATING THAT IT REQUIRES
DISMISSAL. AYE. I THINK WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS BALANCE
THE SCALES OF PROOF. AND THESE
VERY VERY, UH UGLY CIRCUMSTANCES
WHERE A WEAPON HAS BEEN USED. IN
A WAY THAT'S ALMOST EVEN SHOCKS
THE CONSCIENCE, BUT I THINK WHAT
THIS IS TRYING TO DO IS BRING A
BALANCE TO THIS PIECE, AND
BECAUSE, AS WAS INDICATED BY THE
OPPOSITION THE STATUTE THAT WAS
ADDED BY A SENATOR SKINNER AND
THE LANGUAGE SAYS THAT THERE
MUST BE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
PROOF OF THE PRESENCE. OF THESE
CIRCUMSTANCES WAYS GREATLY IN
FAVOR OF DISMISSING THE
ENHANCEMENT UNLESS THE COURT
FINDS THAT DISMISSAL, THE
ENHANCEMENT WOULD ENDANGER
PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THEN IT GOES
ON TO SAY ENDANGER PUBLIC SAFETY
MEANS THERE'S A LIKELIHOOD THAT
THE DISMISSAL OF THE ENHANCEMENT
WOULD RESULT IN PHYSICAL INJURY
OR SERIOUS DANGER. THAT'S A
VERY, VERY HIGH STANDARD. AND I
THINK THAT'S UNFAIR AND I THINK
IT DOES NOT WORK IN THE BALANCE
OF JUSTICE AND SO BE OPPOSED OR
OBVIOUS SUPPORTING THIS MEASURE.
THANK YOU AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS
YOU MAY. DID YOU MAKE CLOTHES
AND GAVE ME THAT QUIRK, LOOTING
SO WELL SINCE IT'S OUR FIRST
HEARING UM, NO, I THINK YOU
KNOW, I WHAT WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE
DEALT WITH PREVIOUSLY WAS THE
QUESTION OF WHETHER ENHANCEMENTS
AT ALL INCREASED PUBLIC SAFETY
RIGHT AND THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE.
THIS IS SUGGEST THAT LONGER
SENTENCES ACTUALLY HAVE AN
ADVERSE EFFECT ON WHEN PEOPLE
COME HOME. BACK TO THE COMMUNITY
AND THEIR LIKELIHOOD OF RE
ENCOUNTERING THE CRIMINAL LEGAL
SYSTEM. REGARDLESS OF THAT, THE
BILL THAT SKINNER INTRODUCING
PAST SEVERAL YEARS BACK AGAIN,
DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT YOU
DISMISSED. A FIREARM ENHANCEMENT
DOESN'T GET RID OF FIREARM
ENHANCEMENTS. IT ONLY PROVIDES
THAT IN THE FURTHERANCE OF
JUSTICE IF A COURT FINDS THAT TO
BE THE CASE THAT IT CAN BE
DISMISSED. JUST THE ENHANCEMENT
PART. YOU WILL STILL BE CHARGED
WITH A SERIOUS FIREARMS FELONY.
AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS I WILL
BE SUPPORTING THE CHURCH
RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU ANY
OTHER COMMENTS? AND I THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING US. UH I UNDERSTAND
WHY YOU BROUGHT IT. UH AND THIS
IS MAINLY PUT UP FOR THE
FRESHMAN. UM I STARTED ON THIS
COMMITTEE IN 2012. AND IN 2012.
JUDGES HAD NO DISCRETION. IT WAS
MANDATORY MINIMUM. WHICH FILLED
OUR PRISONS. TO AN UNHEALTHY
NUMBER. WE THEN? ME INCLUDED.
DECIDED TO BALANCE EVERYTHING BY
GIVING JUDGES DISCRETION. AT THE
TIME. WE WERE REALLY UNEASY
ABOUT GIVING JUDGES DISCRETION.
AND WE WEREN'T SURE. THAT JUDGES
WHO HAD. PRACTICE FOR DECADES
ABOUT MEASURING OUT THE HARSHEST
PENALTIES THAT THEY COULD
CHANGE. OVER THE LAST. YOU KNOW,
THIS IS MY 10TH YEAR GOING TO MY
11TH. OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. I
NOW REALIZE WHAT WE STARTED BACK
THEN TO EVEN THINGS AND GIVE
JUDGES MORE DISCRETION WAS
CORRECT. AND THE BILLS THAT
SENATOR SKINNER PUT FORTH AND
OTHERS LET ME KNOW. THAT THAT
JUDGES WILL LOOK AT AN
INDIVIDUAL AND MAKE THE
DETERMINATION LOOK, LAW
ENFORCEMENT HAS A JOB TO CAPTURE
PEOPLE. THE D A HAVE A JOB TO
PROSECUTE PEOPLE. IT'S THE
JUDGE. THAT HAS THE JOB OF
ACTUALLY DETERMINING WHAT THAT
SENTENCE IS. AND THEY HAVE THAT
DISCRETION. NOW THEY NEED TO
CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT
DISCRETION. WE SHOULD NOT.
AUTOMATICALLY TRY TO PUSH IT ONE
WAY OR THE OTHER. WE MAY BE AT A
GOOD GOOD POINT. UM I FEEL MORE
COMFORTABLE ABOUT JUDGES NOW
THAN I EVER DID BEFORE. THEY
PROBABLY STILL SOME JUDGES THAT
STILL OVER PROSECUTE, BUT NOT AS
BAD AS BEFORE. WE'RE SEEMED LIKE
100% OF THEM, DID IT? AND SO
UNFORTUNATELY FROM MY YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE. IT TELLS ME THAT
THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO
UNDERSTAND? WHERE WERE YOU
TRYING TO GO? BUT RESPECTFULLY
WHEN THEY HAVE TO ASK FOR A NO
VOTE. UM BASED ON MY YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE OF BEING ON THIS
COMMITTEE AND HOW THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS CHANGED. AND
HOW WE'RE DOING BETTER WITH
REHABILITATION. HOW ARE WE DOING
BETTER WITH NOT JUST LOCKING UP
AND THROWING AWAY THE KEY AND
TREATING PEOPLE AS IF THERE. WE
SHOULD NEVER HELP THEM. SO BUT
SPECTACOR Ó. THE MOTION IN THE
SECOND ON A B 27 BY SOME OF THEM
ARE TAUGHT. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASSED TO THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE. JOHN SAWYER, NÓI
COLONIES AND HE'S I BONTA. BRIAN
BRIAN. NO LACKEY LUCKY I ORTEGA
ORTEGA. NO SANTIAGO. ZABAR BIRD?
NO. BILL DOESN'T PASS. THANK
YOU. NOW WE HAVE NO, I DON'T.
NUMBER THREE JOE PATTERSON. HE
HE HE IS ITEM NUMBER ONE.
FINALLY GET THE ITEM NUMBER ONE
A B 18.
WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
CALLING ME JOE PATTERSON AND NOT
JIM PATTERSON. APPRECIATE THAT,
UM GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY
AND, UH, FAILURE TO ALL OF US
WHO DIDN'T WEAR RED, UM LET ME
BE CLEAR ON MY MEASURE A B 18.
IT CREATES NO NEW CRIME. NOR
DOES IT REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL
PENALTIES CHARGES ASSOCIATED
WITH SELLING OR TRAFFICKING
FENNEL. A B 18 WILL REQUIRE
PERSONS CONVICTED OF OR PLEADING
GUILTY OR NO CONTEST TO
TRAFFICKING FENTANYL AND VARIOUS
OTHER OPIATES AND NARCOTICS TO
RECEIVE A WRITTEN ADVISEMENT
THAT IF A PERSON DIES, A RESULT
OF OVERDOSE AND MANUFACTURER
DISTRIBUTOR CAN BE CHARGED WITH
MURDER CAN BE CHARGED WITH
MURDER OR INVOLUNTARY
MANSLAUGHTER. WE ALL KNOW HOW
LETHAL FENNEL IS, BUT LET'S
VISUALIZE IT. THIS RIGHT HERE IS
A PENNY. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S BLOWN
UP TO THE SIZE OF MY HEAD SO YOU
CAN SEE IT, BUT THIS LITTLE
AMOUNT OF FENNEL IS A LETHAL
DOSE OF FAN ON THE WHOLE WORLD
HAS COME FULL CIRCLE WHEN I WAS
A LEGISLATIVE STAFF FOR MYSELF,
MY FORMER BOSS, TODD SPITZER
LOST HIS FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF
TO A DRUNK DRIVER. THE FOLLOWING
YEAR, HE WOULD TEAM UP WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S AND DEMOCRAT
NICOLE PARA TO ENACT THE AMBROSE
ACT, NAMED AFTER STEVE AM BREEZE
, HIS FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF IN
ORANGE COUNTY CITY COUNCILMAN
WHO HAD HIS LIFE TAKEN BY A
DRIVER WHO'S UNDER THE
INFLUENCE. BUT THAT LAW STARKLY
DIFFERENT THAN THIS PROPOSED LAW
. TODAY EVERY SINGLE PERSON
RENEWING THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE
HAS TO CHECK THE BOX, INDICATING
THEIR INFORMED THEY CAN BE
CHARGED WITH MURDER FOR KILLING
SOMEONE WHILE DRIVING UNDER THE
INFLUENCE. IN THE CASE OF A B
18. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT
PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY SELLING
AND TRAFFICKING AND DRUG THAT
HAS NO BONA FIDE RECREATIONAL
USE. JUST LIKE THESE EXISTING
D¯ÚI ADVISEMENT PROVIDED TO
DRIVERS RENEWING THEIR LICENSE.
A B 18 WILL GIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT
WITH AN ADDITIONAL TOOL TO
PROSECUTE DRUG TRAFFICKERS IN
OUR COMMUNITIES. IT DOES NOT
REQUIRE A MURDER CHARGE. THE
BILL IS TITLED ALEXANDER'S LAW
AND INSPIRED BY A YOUNG LADY WHO
WAS POISONED BY THIS DRUG. HER
FATHER, MATT CAPITAL, LUDO, HAS
BEEN CHAMPIONING THIS
LEGISLATION. UNABLE TO GET
JUSTICE IN CALIFORNIA. THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION TOOK THE CASE IN
PROSECUTED ALEXANDRA'S MURDERER
, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UNDER
PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS BEEN
STEPPING UP. AND EVEN ISSUED A
RARE PUBLIC HEALTH WARNINGS. I
APPRECIATE THAT. THE ONLY REASON
WHY I HAVE AN IDEA WHAT BEN ALI
EVEN IS BECAUSE OF ONE OF MY
NEIGHBORS. TEEN ZACH DID HEAR
DIED FROM TAKING A FAKE
PRESCRIPTION PILL LACED WITH
FENTANYL THAT HE BOUGHT OFF
SOCIAL MEDIA IS SCARY TO SAY,
BUT I HAVE ALREADY WARNED MY 10
AND EIGHT YEAR OLD CHILDREN
ABOUT TAKING PILLS OR CANDY FROM
OTHERS. AND MY TWO YOUNGER
CHILDREN WILL GET THE SAME SAME
ADVISEMENT FROM ME AFTER
PUBLICLY SUPPORTING THE EFFORTS
TO ZACK'S PARENTS. I LEARNED
THAT MY COUSIN'S DEATH WAS ALSO
DUE TO FEND ON POISONING AS THE
AUTHOR OF A B 18. I WANT TO MAKE
IT CLEAR THE GOAL OF THIS POLICY
IS NOT TO ADD PUNISHMENT TO THE
OPIOID DEPENDENT PERSON, BUT
RATHER TO ENSURE THAT THE DRUG
DEALERS AND TRAFFICKERS ARE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE. IN FACT, THIS
LEGISLATION IS ONLY ONE OF FOUR
PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT I'LL
INTRODUCE. WE HAVE LIFE SAVING
MEASURES LIKE NARCAN IN SCHOOLS
AND WILL BE INTRODUCING
LEGISLATION EDUCATE PARENTS OF
THE DANGERS OF OPIOIDS AS WELL
AS ANOTHER PIECE ON
REHABILITATION FOR PEOPLE IN
PRISON. I WANT CALIFORNIA TO
JOIN THE REST OF THE UNITED
STATES, INCLUDING THE BEEN
ADMINISTRATION AND HOLD DEALERS
AND TRAFFICKERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR
THEIR ACTIONS. TODAY I HAVE
ZACH'S FATHER, CHRIS DID HERE.
AND CINDY D'SILVA, SAN JOAQUIN'S
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF A B 18.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING AND THANK YOU. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CINDY
DESILVA. I'M A DEPUTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY WITH SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY
. AND I AM PROUD AND HONORED TO
SPEAK TO YOU THIS MORNING IN
SUPPORT OF A B 18, WHICH IS A
COMMON SENSE EDUCATIONAL MEASURE
. UM IN 1979 AND INTOXICATED
DRIVER LEFT A BAR IN READING AND
GOT INTO HIS VEHICLE AND KILLED
A MOTHER AND HER SMALL CHILD. AS
A RESULT OF THAT HIS NAME WAS
WATSON. A CASE WENT TO COURT AND
HE ENDED UP UM, BEING THE REASON
THAT THIS VERY LEGISLATURE
PASSED VEHICLE CODE SECTION
23593, WHICH REQUIRES JUDGES TO
TELL PEOPLE CONVICTED OF DRIVING
UNDER THE INFLUENCE THAT D¯ÚI
BEHAVIOR IS INHERENTLY DANGEROUS
TO HUMAN LIFE. AND THAT IF THEY
EVER DO IT AGAIN, AND THEIR
THEIR ACTIVITIES RESULT IN
SOMEBODY DYING, THEY CAN BE
CHARGED AND PROSECUTED FOR THAT
, UH, A B 18 ESSENTIALLY DOES
THE SAME THING. TWO NIGHTS
BEFORE CHRISTMAS IN 2019, MATT
COUPLE, LUDO'S DAUGHTER,
ALEXANDRA, WHO WAS ONLY 20 YEARS
OLD, THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO BE
TAKING AN OXYCODONE PILL. IT
TURNED OUT IT WAS AN ILLICITLY
MANUFACTURED FENTANYL PILL, AND
SHE DIED AS A RESULT, AND WE'RE
GOING TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY
THAT'S GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT
THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT
UNCOMMON ANYMORE. THIS BILL IS
TITLED ALEXANDER'S LAW. AFTER
HER THIS WHAT THIS LAW WOULD DO
LIKE THE LEGISLATOR SAID, WOULD
NOT INTRODUCE ANY NEW PENALTIES
OR ANYTHING. IT'S SIMPLY
EDUCATES THE PERSON CONVICTED OF
SELLING OR TRAFFICKING OR
MANUFACTURING FENTANYL TO LET
THEM KNOW THAT THAT ACTIVITY IS
VERY, VERY DANGEROUS, AND IT
ALSO WOULD LET THEM KNOW THAT IF
THEY DO IT AGAIN AND KILL
SOMEBODY WHAT THEY COULD BE
CHARGED WITH, IF ANYTHING THAT
MIGHT PREVENT SOME PEOPLE FROM
DYING AND PREVENT SOME PEOPLE.
FROM FURTHER INCARCERATION, SO I
HEARTILY REQUESTED THIS THAT
THIS A GUST. BODY VOTE. YES AND
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU,
EVERYONE FOR YOUR RESPECTFUL
ATTENTION. MY NAME IS CHRIS AND
I'M ZACH'S DAD. AH! TWO DAYS
AFTER CHRISTMAS IN 2020, I FOUND
MY 17 YEAR OLD SON APPEARING TO
BE ASLEEP IN HIS BEDROOM BUT NOT
BREATHING. LOSING A CHILD FROM A
DANGER WE HAD NOT HEARD OF
BEFORE IS ANNOUNCED EQUAL LOSS.
AND HAS BROUGHT DEBILITATING
TORMENT TO OUR FAMILY. ZACH
WHAT'S SOLD A FAKE PRESCRIPTION
PILL ON SNAPCHAT THAT CONTAINED
ILLICIT FENTANYL DESPITE HAVING
NO HISTORY AFTER I GUESS DIED
FROM FENTANYL POISONING. ZACH
WAS A SELF TAUGHT MUSICIAN
STRAIGHT A STUDENT ACCOMPLISH
ATHLETE LEAD ROLE IN HIS HIGH
SCHOOL MUSICAL AND ACTIVE IN
SCOUTING. AND SINCE HIS PASSING
, ZACH WAS ACCEPTED INTO FIVE
UCS, INCLUDING U C L. A. LIKE SO
MANY ZACH SHOWED. ZACH SO
PROMISED TO BRING INNOVATION AND
PROGRESS TO OUR WORLD IN A
BEAUTIFUL WAY. INSTEAD, HE WAS
ROBBED OF THAT CHANCE. THE D E A
ESTIMATES OVER 98% OF PILLS SOLD
AND SOCIAL MEDIA ARE FAKE, AND
SIX OUT OF EVERY 10 PILLS HAVE
THE POTENTIAL TO BE LETHAL. CDC
REPORTS OVER 73,000 LIVES WERE
LOST FROM ILLICIT FENTANYL AND A
RECENT 12 MONTH PERIOD. THIS IS
ABOUT 200 DEATHS EVERY SINGLE
DAY OR A FATALITY EVERY SEVEN
MINUTES. IMAGINE AN AIRLINE
CRASH IN OUR COUNTRY EVERY
SINGLE DAY FOR OVER A YEAR.
CALIFORNIA IS A HOSPICE, STATE
AND EVIDENCE SHOWS THERE IS A
CLEAR PUBLIC SAFETY DANGER HERE
AND ONLY WORSENING, EVEN MORE
POWERFUL, ILLICIT SYNTHETICS ARE
EMERGING AND SOCIAL MEDIA IS THE
NUMBER ONE PLATFORM FOR DEALERS
TO DECEPTIVELY MARKET AND PEDAL
POISONOUS PRODUCTS. THIS NON
PUNITIVE MEASURE DOES NOT PLACE
THOSE STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION
AT GREATER RISK OF
INCARCERATION. RATHER THIS
BUILDS FOCUS IS TO GET
REASONABLE WARNING TO DIRECT
TRAFFICKERS WHO ARE KNOWINGLY
AND WILLINGLY SELLING PRODUCTS
MADE OF ILLICIT FENTANYL FOR A
SIMPLE PROFIT. THE NATURE OF
THIS CRISIS SHOULD ALLOW THE
ENTIRE ASSEMBLY THE OPPORTUNITY
TO STUDY AND IMPLEMENT
REASONABLE ACCOUNTABILITY
MEASURES TO BETTER PROTECT OUR
COMMUNITY. FENTANYL CHANGES
EVERYTHING SO PLEASE VOTE IN
SUPPORT OF A B 18 REMEMBER A
FENTANYL FATALITY EVERY SEVEN
MINUTES. THINK ABOUT IT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. I KNOW IT'S
DIFFICULT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
FOR COMING BEFORE US. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
MR CHAIR MEMBERS, BRANDON UP ON
BEHALF OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
SHERIFF AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. KIM STONE STONE
ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT TRANS
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. AUDREY WROTE A CHECK FROM
CRUZ STRATEGIES ON BEHALF OF THE
ORANGE COUNTY ORANGE COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. MR
CHAIRMAN, CARL LONDON ON THAT
FOR CRIME VICTIMS UNITED, ALSO
IN STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING,
JULIO GIULIANI FOR THE RIVERSIDE
COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND
SHERIFF CHAD BIANCO AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. MR BRANDON CAMPBELL
FROM NORTH NORTHERN CALIFORNIA,
DIRECTOR OF THE CALIFORNIA
CAPITAL CONNECTION CONNECTING
BAPTIST CHURCHES TO THEIR
LEGISLATORS IN SUPPORT. MORNING
MR CHAIR MEMBERS, MATTHEW
CYBERLINK ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA PEACE OFFICERS
ASSOCIATION AND THE ASSOCIATION
FOR LOS ANGELES. DEPUTY SHERIFFS
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, RYAN SHERMAN WITH THE
RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION
AND POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATIONS
OF ARCADIA, BURBANK, CLAREMONT
CHRONICLE OR CITY FULLERTON,
INGLEWOOD POLICE SCHOOLS.
NEWPORT BEACH, RAMONA PALACE,
FREDDY'S RIVERSIDE SCENE AND
UPLAND PLASTIC COUNTY DEPUTY
SHERIFF ASSOCIATION, CALIFORNIA
COALITION OF SCHOOL SAFETY
PROFESSIONALS ON SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
OTHER WITNESSES AND SUPPORT NOW
WE'RE HERE FROM WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. TOTAL OF FIVE
MINUTES. FIVE MINUTES TOTAL, NOT
EVEN SPLIT IT UP ANY WAY YOU
WANT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING
CHAIR AND MEMBERS ALICIA
BENAVIDEZ LEWIS HERE ON BEHALF
OF DRUG POLICY ALLIANCE AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION TO A B 18.
DRUG POLICY ALLIANCE IS A
NATIONAL ORGANIZATION ADVOCATING
FOR DRUG POLICIES THAT ARE
GROUNDED IN SCIENCE, COMPASSION
, HEALTH AND HUMAN RIGHTS
ORGANIZATION UNDERSTANDS THE
IMPACT THAT DRUG USE CAN HAVE ON
THE LIVES OF USERS, THEIR
FAMILIES AND THOSE WE'VE LOST
ONE TO OVERDOSE. SINCE 2017 WE
RECOGNIZE THE NUMBER OF FATAL
DRUG OVERDOSES HAS RISEN 110% IN
CALIFORNIA. AND IN 2020 AT LEAST
9000 CALIFORNIANS HAVE DIED FROM
DRUG RELATED OVERDOSE. WE KNOW
THIS LOSS IS REAL, AND EVERY
COMMUNITY IN OUR STATE HAS BEEN
IMPACTED IN SOME OF US
PERSONALLY HAVE ALSO BEEN
IMPACTED. HOWEVER THIS BILL DOES
NOT REFLECT THE PATH THAT IS
NEEDED TO ADDRESS THIS CRISIS
ONLY PROPOSES USING AN
UNSUPPORTED PRACTICE THAT RUNS
COUNTER TO THE WAY OUR JUSTICE
SYSTEM OPERATES FOR CRIMINAL
PROCEEDINGS, AS NOTED IN THE
COMMITTEE ANALYSIS, SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES THAT
CRIMINAL PENALTIES SUCH AS THOSE
IN THIS BILL WILL NOT REDUCE THE
AVAILABILITY OR USE OF DRUGS.
NOR PREVENT OVERDOSE. THE VAST
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN
DRUG SUPPLYING OUR LOW LEVEL
CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM PURPORTS
TO FOCUS ON HIGH LEVEL SELLERS
SUPPLY SIDE CRIMINALIZATION
DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTS THE
LOWEST LEVEL PEOPLE ON THE
SUPPLY SIDE. INCREASED PENALTIES
SUCH AS THOSE IN A B 18 ECHOED
THE FAILED WAR ON DRUGS POLICIES
ENACTED DURING THE EIGHTIES AND
NINETIES AROUND CRACK COCAINE
THAT DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED
PEOPLE OF COLOR, OVERCROWDED
PRISONS AND COST LIVES. THAT IS
WHY D P A STANDS FIRM AND URGING
THE STATE TO PRIORITIZE
INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC HEALTH
APPROACHES WITH LIFESAVING HARM
REDUCTION SERVICES THAT ARE
PROVEN TO SAVE LIVES BY DIRECTLY
REACHING PEOPLE AT HIGHEST RISK
OF OVERDOSE AND EVIDENCE BASED
LOW BARRIER TREATMENT ACROSS
ACCESS FOR PEOPLE WHO USE DRUGS.
CALIFORNIA VOTERS HAVE SIGNALED
AGAIN AND AGAIN THEIR PREFERENCE
FOR USING A HEALTH APPROACH TO
DRUG OFFENSES AND THEIR DESIRE
TO UNWIND THE FAILED WAR ON
DRUGS. COMMITTEES IN BOTH HOUSES
TO THIS LEGISLATURE HAVE
REPEATEDLY REJECTED NEARLY
IDENTICAL VERSIONS OF THIS
PROPOSAL, REVERSING COURSE AT
THIS TIME AND GOING BACK TO OVER
CRIMINALIZATION WILL NOT ONLY
INCREASE STIGMA AND
MARGINALIZATION BUT WILL DO
LITTLE TO ADDRESS THIS HEALTH
CRISIS. SO FOR THESE REASONS, WE
URGE YOUR NO VOTE. GOOD MORNING
. GLENN BACK IS FOR THE L. A.
BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IN
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. I WOULD
POSIT THAT WERE IN THE WRONG
COMMITTEE THAT THE SOLUTIONS FOR
THE OVERDOSE CRISIS ARE IN
HEALTH COMMITTEE AND IN THE
HEALTH BUDGET. FURTHER
CRIMINALIZATION WILL NOT REDUCE
LIVES WILL NOT SAVE LIVES. IT
WON'T REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF DRUGS
THAT ARE BEING SOLD. IT WON'T
PREVENT OVERDOSE. AND THIS IS
NOT A FENTANYL BILL. IT APPLIES
TO ALL CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES.
CRACK COCAINE POWDER, COCAINE,
HEROIN, METHAMPHETAMINE PILLS,
EVERYTHING. A PERSON WHO HAS A
PRIOR CONVICTION FOR SHARING
FURNISHING SELLING. POSSESSING
FOR SALE A SMALL AMOUNT OF ANY
OF THESE DRUGS. WOULD BE SUBJECT
TO THE POSSIBILITY OF FURTHER
PUNISHMENT IF THEY'RE CONVICTED
AGAIN. IT'S NOT HARD FOR A VERY
POOR PERSON OR PERSON STRUGGLING
WITH ADDICTION TO GET A
POSSESSION FOR SALE CHARGE AND
CONVICTION. THIS BILL WOULD
PROVIDE IF THEY ARE CONVICTED
AGAIN POSSESSION FOR SALE OF ANY
OF THESE SUBSTANCES IN WHICH A
PERSON DIES ACCIDENTALLY. I
THINK YOU'D BE SUBJECT TO A
MURDER CHARGE. IT WOULD BE
EASIER TO GET THAT SENTENCE THAT
VERY LONG SENTENCE APPLIED. ARE
. LET'S TALK ABOUT FISCAL COST.
WHAT OUR ROLE IS AS POLICYMAKERS
ABOUT WHERE WE INVEST THE
PEOPLE'S MONEY. BECAUSE $112,000
PER YEAR TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL
ONE YEAR FOR PRISON. IT ONLY
COSTS 6000 AND SOME FOR
BUPRENORPHINE TREATMENT FOR ONE
YEAR. OR METHADONE. FOR ONE YEAR
IS LESS THAN 7000 COMPARED TO
100 AND 12,000. SO YOU CAN PUT
17 PEOPLE IN BUPRENORPHINE
TREATMENT, REDUCING THE USE OF
OPIOIDS, INCLUDING FENTANYL, OR
YOU CAN PUT 19 PEOPLE IN
METHADONE OR EVEN PUT ONE PERSON
IN PRISON FOR ANOTHER YEAR, AND
THAT HAS NO POSITIVE EFFECT. SO
WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU INVEST IN
HEALTH. INVEST IN PREVENTION,
TREATMENT AND HARM REDUCTION.
I'M SORRY, BUT THIS BILL WILL
NOT HELP. IT WILL WASTE TIME.
IT'LL WASTE MONEY AND IT WILL
WASTE LIVES. FOR THESE REASONS
WE ARE POST THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION NAME AND
ORGANIZATION? IGNACIO HERNANDEZ
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ATTORNEYS FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE,
ALSO IN OPPOSITION. LESLIE
CALDWELL, HOUSTON ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION.
DANICA ROAD, ARMEL ON BEHALF OF
INITIATE JUSTICE IN THE SAN
FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
OFFICE AND OPPOSITION. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR MEMBERS MIKE,
A DOCTOR OFF ON BEHALF OF A C L
U CALIFORNIA ACTION ALSO IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION, AND
I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS FOR ANY QUESTIONS,
COMMENTS, MR LACKEY YEAH.
UNFORTUNATELY. THIS IS NOT THE
FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD YOUR
STORY. VERY SORRY FOR WHAT
HAPPENED. I THINK WE ALL ARE NO
MATTER WHERE WE ARE IN THIS
ISSUE. UM I'M HAVING A HARD TIME
UNDERSTAND THE OPPOSITION
BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY UM, NOT AS
ADVERTISED IN THE STATEMENT. BY
THE DEFENSE HERE. THIS FOCUSES
ON SELLERS, NOT USERS. SO WHY
YOU SAY IT DOESN'T BELONG IN
THIS COMMITTEE AS BEYOND MY
UNDERSTANDING. UM THIS IS A
CELL'S STATUTE CLEARLY. IT'S AN
EDUCATIONAL PEACE. AND IT ONLY
APPLIES IF THERE'S A REPEAT
OFFENSE. HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU
OPPOSE THAT? YOU'RE TELLING
SOMEBODY THAT IF YOU DO THIS
AGAIN THERE ARE SERIOUS
CONSEQUENCES TO THE POINT THAT
YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
DEATH. THIS INDIVIDUAL I DON'T
UNDERSTAND THE OPPOSITION. UM
BECAUSE IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL
MEASURE. AND IT'S ALL FOCUSED ON
PREVENTION, WHICH I THINK
EVERYBODY APPEARS SUPPORTS BOTH
OF THOSE PIECES. SO I'M HAVING A
HARD TIME CONNECTING TO THE
OPPOSITION. AND I JUST I KNOW
IT'S NOT LIKELY TO SUCCEED. BUT
I WANT YOU TO AT LEAST THINK
ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE,
FOLKS BY REJECTING THIS YOU'RE
EXCUSING. YOU'RE EXCUSING. THIS
KIND OF CONDUCT AND SAYING
SELLING DOESN'T DESERVE THE
CONSEQUENCES. THAT I BELIEVE
THAT THERE ARE MITIGATING AND
THEY'RE DOLING OUT TO THESE
PEOPLE. ANNOYINGLY THIS
PARTICULAR SUBSTANCE IS UNIQUE
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING. THAT
IS SO NEFARIOUS THAT I DON'T I
CAN'T BELIEVE IT DOESN'T SHOCK
YOUR CONSCIENCE. BECAUSE IT
CERTAINLY DOES MINE. AND I'M
VERY, VERY SORRY FOR THIS VICTIM
CIRCUMSTANCE. AND I THINK
EVERYBODY IN HERE IS AT LEAST
SORRY FOR THAT. I DO BELIEVE
THAT. AND OUR HEARTS GO OUT TO
YOU, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THIS IS AN
OPPORTUNITY, I THINK IN A VERY
BALANCED WAY, SO I'M VERY PROUD
THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS FORWARD.
AND I WILL CLEARLY BE SUPPORTING
IT. THANK YOU. YES, MR KEGGER.
FIRST UM THANK YOU FOR COMING
TODAY. I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE
YOUR SON AND AS A MOTHER MYSELF
. AH, THIS IS HEARTFELT AND UM
YEAH, DEEPLY TROUBLING. UM SO I
DID WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING
TODAY. I KNOW. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. UM I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF
FACTS. I DO KNOW THAT ABOUT 200
PEOPLE A DAY. ARE DYING IN THE
U. S. BECAUSE OF OVERDOSES ON
FENTANYL. IN MY HOME DISTRICT
RECENTLY, THERE WAS A HOME WHERE
THEY FOUND 2500 PILLS. UM THAT
COULD HAVE KILLED UP TO FIVE
MILLION PEOPLE. SO THE FENTANYL
CRISIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING
THAT WE ARE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO STOP
IT. KEEP OUR YOUTH ALIVE.
EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITIES AND HOLD
PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. AND THIS IS
WHY I'M SUPPORTING ASSEMBLY
MEMBER. PATTERSON'S OTHER BILLS
AROUND FENTANYL AND MAKING SURE
THAT WE HAVE WAYS TO KEEP OUR
YOUTH ALIVE AND OUR SCHOOLS
EDUCATED ON THE ISSUE THAT'S
HAPPENING. HOWEVER TODAY I'M
OPPOSING THIS BILL BECAUSE OF
WHAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
STARTING GOING BACK TO OUR
AUTHORS ARE CHAIRMAN'S
STATEMENTS WHERE WE CANNOT GO
BACKWARDS. AH IN TERMS OF
HARSHER SENTENCING, UM. FOR
THINGS LIKE DRUG TRAFFICKING
THAT ARE NOT LIKELY TO REDUCE
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR STREETS.
UM BUT I DID WANT TO THANK YOU
AND GIVE YOU MY SINCERE
CONDOLENCES. AND I TOTALLY
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON
OUR STREETS. YEAH BEAR. YES I
ALSO WANTED TO, UM, TELL YOU HOW
BAD I FEEL ABOUT YOUR YOUR SON
AND, UM, IT'S CLEAR THAT WE NEED
TO DO MORE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO
RESPOND TO THE FENTANYL CRISIS.
UM WHICH IS HAVING YOU KNOW A
REALLY HORRIFIC IMPACT ON ON OUR
COMMUNITY AND KIDS IN OUR
COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR. UM
UNFORTUNATELY, WON'T BE ABLE TO
SUPPORT THIS MEASURE BECAUSE
IT'S JUST VERY, VERY BROAD. IT
ISN'T JUST ABOUT SALE. IT'S
ABOUT RELATES TO WHEN SOMEONE'S
NOT ONLY SELLS, BUT FURNISHES
GIVES AWAY ADMINISTERS. UM YOU
CAN SEE HOW THIS WOULD BE USED
IN MANY CASES, AND IT DOESN'T
ALSO APPLY TO RETINAL. IT
APPLIES TO VARIOUS CONTROLLED
SUBSTANCE, VARIOUS CONTROLLED
SUBSTANCES AND A BROADWAY OF
SUBSTANCE USE. AND SO YOU KNOW,
I CAN SEE HOW THIS BILL COULD BE
USED AGAINST LGBT Q KIDS WHO MAY
HAVE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH
SETTING ALL BEING GIVEN THIS
WARNING OR LOW INCOME KIDS WHO
HAVE JUST GIVEN A PILL TO
ANOTHER FRIEND, AND AT SOME
POINT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT
HAPPENS LATER. AND SO I JUST
THINK THIS BILL IS REALLY,
REALLY BROAD AND I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF
APPROACH THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS
THE FENTANYL CRISIS, SO I'M
SORRY ABOUT THIS. I THINK WE
SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR AS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S, TEGA SAID. WE
SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR OTHER WAYS
TO ADDRESS THE FENTANYL CRISIS.
BUT I JUST THINK THIS IS TOO
BROAD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES. MR BY THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND
SHARING YOUR TESTIMONY AGAIN.
THANK YOU TO OUR NEW COLLEAGUE.
MR PATTERSON 34 YEARS AGO. I GOT
A CALL AROUND THANKSGIVING. MY
LITTLE BROTHER WAS FOUND
UNRESPONSIVE. ON THE PAVEMENT IN
SAN DIEGO BECAUSE HE HAD
OVERDOSED. ON SOMETHING THAT WAS
LACED WITH FENTANYL. HE WAS ON
HOUSED AT THE TIME. I'M NOT SURE
WHAT HE WAS INTENDING TO TAKE,
BUT IT WASN'T LINEN. OR MAYBE IT
EVEN WAS, UM HE WAS REVIVED. AND
STILL ALIVE TODAY, BUT IT'S
SOMETHING THAT I THINK ABOUT
PRETTY REGULARLY AS WE THINK
ABOUT THE CRISIS THAT'S TAKING
OVER OUR COMMUNITIES. AS WAS
MENTIONED BY OUR OTHER
COLLEAGUES. THIS IS A PUBLIC
HEALTH CRISIS. AND EVEN AN
ADVISORY THAT REMINDS YOU THAT
YOU STILL MIGHT BE HIT WITH
FEATURES FROM THE WAR ON DRUGS
THAT WE KNOW HAS FAILED. UM, I
THINK CREATES THE CONDITIONS
THAT ALLOW US TO. DIVERT FROM
THE REAL CONVERSATION WE SHOULD
BE HAVING, AND I THINK THAT'S A
CONVERSATION THAT YOU CLEARLY
DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU WANT TO
HAVE IN YOUR TIME HERE IN THE
LEGISLATURE, AND SO TO THE
EXTENT THAT YOU AND I CAN HAVE
THOSE CONVERSATIONS, I WANT TO
BE HELPFUL. I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS
TODAY, BUT I CAN SEE THE
THOUGHTFULNESS IN IT. UM AND I
APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER
COMMENTS. YOU MAKE CLOTHES, MR
PATTERSON. WELL THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, UM YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE
OF THINGS REAL FAST. WHAT WE
KNOW IS THAT PROGRAMS THAT ARE
GOING ON RIGHT NOW ARE NOT
CURRENTLY WORKING. UM IN FACT,
I'D SAY IT'S PROBABLY DOING THE
OPPOSITE. IT'S COMPLETE FAILURE
, AND WE HAVE TO THINK A LITTLE
BIT DIFFERENTLY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE
DOING AND ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BRIAN
, I'M I'M PLEASED AT YOUR
BROTHER RECOVERED AND YOU KNOW
THAT'S THAT'S A SAD, SAD STORY.
AND UM, BUT HAPPY THAT, YOU
KNOW, HE MADE IT. BUT UM, I ALSO
AM HAPPY MORE THAN HAPPY TO
NARROW IT TO OPIOIDS. UM, AND
ONLY THOSE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT
IT'S ONLY APPLYING TO THOSE
SELLING AND TRAFFICKING OPIOIDS.
UM. LET ME BE CLEAR. THIS BILL
DOES NOT INCREASE PENALTIES AT
ALL. IN FACT, CURRENT LAW ALLOWS
PEOPLE TO BE CHARGED WITH
MURDER. THIS IS JUST GIVING AN
ADVISEMENT IN FACT, D A S ARE
CHARGING FROM EARLIER. THIS JUST
GIVES MORE DISCRETION ACTUALLY.
UM. AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO
PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE BOTH CHRIS
TIDIER AND LARA DID HERE THEY'VE
BEEN EDUCATING KIDS AND FAMILIES
SUCH AS MYSELF ON THIS TRAGEDY
THAT WE HAVE. THEY WERE JUST AT
THE STATE OF THE UNION, AND
THEY'VE BEEN INVITED BY THE
ADMINISTRATION TO BE UP AT THE D
A. AND JUST THANKFUL TO HAVE
THEM. SO THANK YOU. AND WITH
THAT, I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. SURE
I CHANGED ALL YOUR MINDS, RIGHT
? YEAH AND I LIKE TO WANT TO
THANK YOU, UM. MR MR PATTERSON.
AND YOUR WITNESSES, ESPECIALLY,
UM, THE FACT THAT JUST ABOUT
EVERYBODY COMMENTED TELLS YOU
HOW SERIOUS WERE TAKING THIS HOW
HOW WE THOUGHT THROUGH.
EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WE'RE
GOING TO VOTE ON. IN YOUR STORY
ONLY MADE IT MORE REAL TO US.
AND SO AGAIN, UM, IT'S BRAVE TO
COME. AND SPEAK BEFORE THIS BODY
. UM I'VE BEEN ON THAT SIDE
BEFORE, SO I KNOW IT'S LIKE AND
SO I COMMEND YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM SO IT IS. IT IS SOMETHING WE
NEED TO LOOK AT. YES, THERE HAS
TO BE A PUBLIC HEALTH. I THINK
WE HAVE NOT DONE ENOUGH ON
PUBLIC HEALTH AND THAT THAT'S
WHY IT'S NOT MOVED. AS. AS WELL
AS IT SHOULD SHOULD, AND WE NEED
TO PUT MORE RESOURCES. I THINK
IF WE WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP
WITH PUBLIC HEALTH ALTERNATIVES.
UM WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT A
DENT IN THIS AND HOPEFULLY IN
THE SCOURGE OF FENTANYL
POISONING. AH IT IS SO IMPORTANT
RIGHT NOW THAT WE DECLARED STATE
OF EMERGENCY ON THIS. AS A
PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. AND MOVE
ACCORDINGLY. AND PROVIDE ALL THE
RESOURCES WE CAN TO MAKE THIS
HAPPEN AND PROVIDE ALL OF THE
TOOLS THAT ARE NEEDED SO THAT
PEOPLE AREN'T USING DRUGS. LOOK
WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE ON
DRUGS. UM YOU DON'T THERE IS NO
ONE AND DONE SOLUTION TO
SOMEBODY ON DRUGS. AND THAT
THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME THE MOST
THAT BEING TELLING SOMEONE STOP
IT. ESPECIALLY SOMEONE THAT'S
BEEN ON DRUGS. OR AT THE DRUG
PROBLEM. UM SOMETIMES TAKES 78
TIMES TO GET OFF OF IT. UM AND
SO TELLING SOMEONE YOU KNOW. IT
COULD BE REALLY HARSH IF YOU DO
THIS AGAIN AND THEN LATER ON
JUDGES AND DHS USED THAT
ADMONISHMENT TO ENHANCE OR TO
FURTHER PROSECUTION AND THE
FILLED UP PRISONS. I THINK
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE YOU'RE
HEARING AND THAT PEOPLE WANT TO
LIKE. I BELIEVE WHEN WE TAKE THE
VOTE THAT MOST OF THE MEMBERS
WHEN THE MOVE TOWARDS HOW DO WE
GET TO PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY, UM
, SOLUTIONS, AND I THINK WHAT
YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE MEMBERS
HERE. THERE'S A WILLINGNESS TO
WORK ON THAT TO MAKE THAT
HAPPEN. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, I
I'VE BEEN ASKED FOR A NO VOTE,
AND IS THERE A MOTION. ON A B 18
BY SOMEONE MEMBER JOE PATTERSON.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOHN
SAWYER SAWYER KNOW ALANIS ALANIS
. I WANT TO KNOW TO KNOW BRIAN
BRIAN, NOT VOTING LACKEY.
BLACKIE. I ORTEGA OR TAKE A
NOTE. SANTIAGO ZABAR. ZABAR NO.
MR CHAIRMAN, COULD I HAVE A
RECONSIDERATION? I WON'T BRING
IT BACK IN THE SAME FORM. I
PROMISE YOU YOU CAN ASK FOR
RECONSIDERATION. RECONSIDERATION
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OBJECTION
WE WILL GRANTED BY UNANIMOUS
ACTIVATION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. I HAVE, MR. GABRIEL
ANNOUNCED MR GABRIEL A B 29.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THERE'S MR
GABRIEL. WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE, MR GABRIEL.
THANK YOU. IT'S NICE TO BE
RECOGNIZED. WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO
PRESENT A B 29. I WANT TO START
BY ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS THANK THE CHAIR AND
HIS STAFF FOR THEIR THOUGHTFUL
FEEDBACK AND ASSISTANCE ON THE
BILL AND PLEASED TODAY TO
PRESENT THIS BILL WOULD WHICH
WOULD CREATE THE CALIFORNIA
VOLUNTARY DO NOT SELL LIST AND I
WILL SAY SINCE WE INTRODUCED
THIS BILL ON THE FIRST DAY OF
OUR SESSION, WE HAVE HAD, UH,
MASS SHOOTINGS IN MONTEREY PARK
IN HALF MOON BAY IN GOSHEN. WE
HAD ONE LAST NIGHT AT MICHIGAN
STATE THAT KILLED THREE STUDENTS
AND INJURED FIVE AND WE HAVE
THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE 67TH MASS
SHOOTING IN 2023. SO OBVIOUSLY
AN AREA WHERE WE NEED TO DO A
LOT OF A LOT OF WORK. WE HAVE
INTRODUCED A NUMBER OF BILLS TO
CONTINUE TO BUILD ON
CALIFORNIA'S RECORD ON TRYING TO
PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE AND GUN
DEATH, LOOKING AT THIS FROM A
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LENSES. ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT
THAT I HOPE FOLKS UNDERSTAND IS
THAT MORE THAN 50% OF THE DEATHS
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FROM
GUNS OR SUICIDES, SO THIS IS A
BILL THAT GETS US THAT AND ALSO
GETS THAT MASS SHOOTINGS BECAUSE
WE KNOW THAT MANY OF THE FOLKS
WHO ARE THE PERPETRATORS OF
THOSE MASS SHOOTINGS ARE
STRUGGLING WITH MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES. SO THIS IS A BILL THAT
PROVIDES THOSE TYPE OF FOLKS
WITH AN OPTION TO PROTECT
THEMSELVES. BY LIMITING THEIR
ABILITY TO PURCHASE FIREARMS IN
A TIME OF CRISIS. IF SOMEBODY IS
WORRIED THAT THEY ARE STRUGGLING
WITH A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE,
FEARFUL THAT THEY MAY HARM
THEMSELVES OR OTHERS, THEY CAN
VOLUNTARILY PUT THEMSELVES ON
THIS LIST AND HOPEFULLY, THAT'S
GOING TO PROTECT THEM, AND WE
KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW SUICIDE
IS OFTEN AN IMPULSIVE THING THAT
A LOT OF SUICIDE SURVIVORS
EXPRESS REGRET. UM AND
UNFORTUNATELY, GUNS DON'T ALLOW
FOR A SECOND CHANCES. SO WE
THINK THIS IS A COMMON SENSE,
THOUGHTFUL WAY TO HELP HER SAVE
SOME LIVES TO PRESENT GUN DEATHS
. THIS IS AN IDEA THAT HAS BEEN
SUCCESSFULLY PASSED IS NOW BEING
IMPLEMENTED IN VIRGINIA,
WASHINGTON STATE AND UTAH. AND
WE THINK IT'S ONE PIECE OF THE
PUZZLE AND COMPREHENSIVELY
ADDRESSING OUR GUN VIOLENCE. UH
PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY THAT WE
ARE FACING IN THIS IN THIS STATE
, SO WE'RE VERY PROUD THAT THIS
IS SUPPORTED BY A COALITION OF
GUN VIOLENCE AND PUBLIC HEALTH
ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING MOMS
DEMAND ACTION, EVERY TOWN FOR
GUN SAFETY AND THE BRADY
CAMPAIGN AND WITH ME TODAY TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT IS PAUL
YODER ON BEHALF OF OUR SPONSOR,
THE CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION
OF PSYCHIATRISTS. THANK YOU.
FIVE MINUTES. MR CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS I WON'T TAKE THAT LONG.
THANK YOU. HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY
, UM, CALIFORNIA STATE
ASSOCIATION SITE. PSYCHIATRIST
IS A SPONSOR OF THIS. WE NOW
HAVE MULTIPLE CLINICAL STUDIES
FROM REPUTABLE BODIES THAT HAVE
JUST PROVEN, UM THAT THIS LAW
CAN SAVE LIVES. I CAN GIVE THE
MEMBERS THOSE CITATIONS HERE OR
OFFLINE IF YOU'D LIKE. THE WALL
STREET JOURNAL RECENTLY DID AN
UP AHEAD ON THIS BILL, AND THEY
CALL THIS A LIBERTARIAN APPROACH
TO SUICIDE PREVENTION AND THE
GUN SAFETY. ER DR ABOUT HAPPY.
TAKE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU
FOR OFFERING THIS BILL.
ASSEMBLYMAN THANK YOU. ANY
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT? REBECCA
MARQUEZ, REPRESENTING THE BRADY
CAMPAIGN AND SUPPORT AND ALSO A
COURTESY FOR MY COLLEAGUES AT
GIFFORDS, ALSO IN SUPPORT.
NATASHA MINSK, ER PROSECUTORS
ALLIANCE OF CALIFORNIAN SUPPORT
THANK YOU. BUT NOW HERE FROM
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION? GOING ONCE GOING
TWICE SCENE. NO WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION WILL BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR ANY
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS MOVE THE
BILL. ENTERTAIN THE 2ND 2ND. UH,
BUILT AND MOVED AND SECONDED.
I'LL GIVE MR LACKEY OF CHANCE.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? OKAY YOU MAY CLOSE.
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE
CHAIRS RECOMMENDING I VICTORY.
CALL THE ROLL ON A B 29 BY SEVEN
MEMBER GABRIEL. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO THE
HEALTH COMMITTEE JOHN SAWYER.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH OUR
COMMITTEE. I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU RECOMMEND, AND I THANK
YOU. JOHN SAWYER. AYE. ALANIS
ALANIS, I BONTA. I WANT TO I
BRIAN BRIAN, I LACKEY BLACKIE. I
ORTEGA ORTEGA IES SANTIAGO.
ZABAR SUPER. I MEASURE MEASURE
PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT. WOW, THAT MAY BE
A NEW RECORD. SO I'M LOOKING FOR
MR SANCHEZ. MISS SANCHEZ. I'M
SORRY. SO WE'LL GO WITH MR
LACKEY NOW. IF MR LACKEY IS
READY ANYBODY KNOW WHERE MR
LACKEY IS?
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, MR
LACKEY. ALRIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU
FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT A B
56. AND I WANT TO THANK, UH
ESPECIALLY LEAH FOR HELP ON THIS
PARTICULAR BILL. UM AND WORKING
WITH MY OFFICE TO MAKE THE
APPROPRIATE AMENDMENTS. THIS
LEGISLATION. PROVIDE THIS
HOPEFULLY WILL PROVIDE VICTIMS
OF VIOLENT CRIME WITH
COMPENSATION TO MAKE THERAPIES
AND OTHER FORMS OF CARE MORE
ACCESSIBLE WHILE THEY NAVIGATE
THROUGH THEIR, UH, TRAUMA
RECOVERY PROCESS. PREVALENT
PSYCHOLOGICAL INJURY FOR VICTIMS
SURVIVORS AS A. THE WELL KNOWN
PTSD. IT'S A VERY, VERY BIG
PROBLEM. IN EACH CASE OF PTSD
IS, UH UNIQUE GIVEN A SURVIVOR'S
HISTORY AND CIRCUMSTANCE, AND
THE SEVERITY OF THESE FACTORS
COULD PROLONG THE LENGTH OF A
RECOVERY PERIOD. THERE IS AN
IMMEDIATE NEED TO ADDRESS
TRAUMA. AS A PROLONGED EXPOSURE
TO IT CAN LEAD TO SERIOUS HEALTH
ISSUES. A LACK OF ACCESS TO
CARE. COULD BE INFLUENTIAL IN
THE DEVELOPMENT OF SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDERS AND MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES. BY PROVIDING VICTIMS
SURVIVOR WITH COMPENSATION. WE
WOULD VALIDATE THEIR PAIN AND
SUFFERING WHILE COVERING
EXPENSES, THEY INCUR THEIR NO
FAULT OF THEIR OWN. THIS
PARTICULAR BILL PRIORITIZES
ADDRESSING TRAUMA WITH ENERGY,
OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM. WHICH WOULD
IMPROVE OUTCOMES FOR EVERYONE
INVOLVED. IT WOULD EXPEDITE
SERVICES FOR HEALING TOXIC
STRESS. WHICH WOULD HAVE A LONG
TERM BENEFIT TO OUR SHARED
HEALTH CARE SYSTEM BY LIMITING
THE POSSIBILITY OF ISSUES
MANIFESTING LATER. AS WE
REORIENT OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM. WE SHOULD LOOK TO
IMPLEMENT TRAUMA INFORMED POLICY
WHEREVER POSSIBLE. I BELIEVE
THIS IS AN IMPACTFUL STEP IN
THAT PARTICULAR DIRECTION. AND I
HAVE HERE WITH ME, DANICA. UH
AND SHE'S REPRESENTING DEBT FREE
JUSTICE COALITION, AND SHE'S NOW
GOING TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY. THIS
ISN'T THE MOST NATURAL
PARTNERSHIP LIKE EVERYBODY
PROBABLY THINKS I'M CONFUSED
COMING UP HERE RIGHT NOW. GOOD
MORNING, EVERYBODY. YES MAYBE
GET APPRECIATE IT. I AM PLEASED
TO BE HERE SUPPORTING THIS BILL
ALONGSIDE AS A MEMBER LACKEY. UM
MAYBE 56 BRINGS CALIFORNIA A
STEP CLOSER TO TRUTH, JUSTICE
AND PUBLIC SAFETY, THE TERMS
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE OR THROWN
AROUND IN THE CAPITAL A LOT, BUT
THEY'RE OFTEN DIVORCED FROM WHAT
THAT REALLY MEANS. RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE REQUIRES IDENTIFYING THE
HARM THAT'S HAPPENED. WHAT NEEDS
HAVE ARISEN AS A RESULT, AND
WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO MEET THOSE
NEEDS. UM ACCOUNTABILITY BY THE
PERSON WHO HAS CAUSED THE HARM
IS OFTEN AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT
OF RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. BUT IT
ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT SOMETIMES
THE PERSON WHO HAS CAUSED THE
HARM ISN'T ABLE TO REPAIR IT ON
THEIR OWN. AND IN THOSE CASES,
THE BROADER COMMUNITY MUST
PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THE SURVIVOR
IN ORDER TO HELP MAKE THEM HELP
THEM HEAL AND MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S WHAT A B 56 DOES. IT
PROVIDES COMMUNITY SUPPORT IN
THE FORM OF STATE VICTIM
COMPENSATION WHEN SOMEBODY IS IN
NEED OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR
EMOTIONAL HARM THEY HAVE
SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF
EXPERIENCING VIOLENCE. AND THIS
IS WHAT SURVIVOR CENTERED POLICY
LOOKS LIKE MAKING CHANGES TO
STATE LAW THAT WILL MEANINGFULLY
ADDRESS THE NEEDS THAT ARISE
WHEN SOMEONE'S BEEN HARMED, NOT
FALSE PROMISES THAT CLAIM TO
HELP SURVIVORS IN NAME ONLY, BUT
NEVER ACTUALLY DELIVER ON THAT
PROMISE. WE ALL HAVE MORE TO DO
TO CONTINUE OUR COLLECTIVE WORK
ON SURVIVOR SUPPORT,
ACCOUNTABILITY AND PUBLIC
BUT THIS IS A STEP IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION. AND WE
APPRECIATE THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN
CARL LONDON. I BEHALF OF CRIME
VICTIMS UNITED IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER
WITNESSES SUPPORT ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
IGNACIO HERNANDEZ ON BEHALF OF J
AND UP AWAY. WE'RE WITHDRAWING
OUR OPPOSITION TO THE BILL.
THANK YOU FOR THE MEN, MR
LACKEY, AND IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE
TO WITHOUT OPPOSITION. YOU GO
HABIT OF ALWAYS WANTED TO OPPOSE
YOUR BILL TO DON'T KNOW WE HAVE
. WE'VE HAD A FEW, BUT I
APPRECIATE THE EFFORT AND LOOK
FORWARD TO THE BILL GOING
FORWARD. THANK YOU. MARCO
GEORGIA ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION. WE THANK THE
COMMITTEE AND THE AUTHOR FOR THE
AMENDMENTS. WE STILL HAVE A FEW
CONCERNS AND WE'RE WORKING WITH
THE AUTHOR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES. IN TWEENER. WHATEVER
UM THIS IS A STRANGE THING.
OKAY, UM. NOW BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE FOR ANY COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS. YES, MISS PRONTO.
THANK YOU, MR LUCKY. I
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS
FORWARD, UH, IN PARTICULAR
BECAUSE THE WAY THAT YOU'VE
STRUCTURED THE COMPENSATION TO
HAVE THAT COME FROM THE
RESTITUTION FUND AS OPPOSED TO
DIRECT COMPENSATION FROM
INDIVIDUALS IS VERY HELPFUL AND
KIND OF CONSIDERING THE OVERALL
BURDEN OF NEEDING TO BE ABLE TO
SUPPORT DIRECT COMPENSATION, SO
I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I COMMEND
YOU FOR THIS LEGISLATION REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH OUR
TEAM AND KNOW THAT YOUR HEART IS
ENSURING AS AS MINE, ENSURING
THAT WE ARE CONNECTED TO VICTIMS
AND ENSURING THAT THEY ARE CARED
FOR IN THIS MOMENT WITH THE
RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED. THANK
YOU. OKAY MS ORTEGA. YEAH, I
JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND
ACTUALLY THE COMMENTS THAT YOU
MADE EARLIER ABOUT A LOT OF TALK
ABOUT RESTORATIVE PRACTICES AND
JUSTICES AND NOT ACTUALLY
PUTTING STUFF BEHIND THOSE THOSE
WORDS DOES THAT AND SO THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING IT
FORWARD, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH YOU IN YOUR OFFICE.
THANK YOU. MR BRYANT. THIS IS
VERY GOOD, REMEMBER? THANK YOU
FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS AND
FOR WORKING WITH ALL OF THE
DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT THE TABLE.
TO FURTHER THE SURPRISES OF THE
DAY. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR CO
AUTHORS, PLEASE PLEASE REACH OUT
TO MY OFFICE. SOUNDS GREAT.
THANK YOU. I'LL BE YOUR JOINT
AUTHOR. THIS IS GOOD STUFF THERE
AS WELL. IF YOU'RE HAPPY, THANK
YOU. IN THE OTHER COMMENTS CO
AUTHORSHIP SOR I'M SORRY. I
SPOKE TO ME. YOU WANTED TO THE
GOVERNMENT? YEAH. CAN I GET A
MOTION? MHM. ALRIGHT, YOU MAKE
CLOTHES. I JUST LIKE TO FREEZE
THIS MOMENT BECAUSE THIS IS VERY
UNIQUE AND I JUST WANT TO THANK
EVERYBODY FOR UNDERSTANDING
WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM, AND I
THINK THAT THIS IS VERY POWERFUL
HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE VERY,
VERY POWERFUL TO THOSE WHO ARE
SUFFERING. THEY LITERALLY ARE
SUFFERING. THROUGH NO FAULT OF
THEIR OWN, AND THIS WILL PROVIDE
SOME REMEDY SUFFERING, SO I LOOK
FORWARD TO YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU.
AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU.
AND I KNOW YOUR HEART IN THE
RIGHT PLACE. WE WORKED ON THE
VERY CONTROVERSIAL BILLS
TOGETHER. PAST TENSE. THAT'S
TRUE. THAT'S TRUE. AND SO I
DEFINITELY KNOW WHERE YOUR HEART
IS. YOU CAN SIGN ME UP AS A CO
AUTHOR. ALSO THANK YOU FOR
RECOMMENDING I VOTE. ON A B 56
BY SOME MEMBER LACKEY. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOHN
SAWYER. JOHN SAWYER. I SNEEZE. I
BAN TO MONTOYA. I BRIAN, BRIAN,
I LACKEY I ORTEGA I TAKE ORTEGA
I SANTIAGO. SUPER SUPER. I
PASSES. THE CENTURIES IS HERE.
PERFECT TIMING. YOU MAY.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, WHICHEVER
ONE YOU WANT TO DO FIRST A B 88
OR 80 89 WITH A B 88, PLEASE.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. GREAT
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
I WANT TO THANK THE COMMITTEE
STAFF AND STAKEHOLDERS FOR
WORKING WITH US ON THIS MEASURE.
A B 88 IS A REASONABLE BILL THAT
WILL HELP CRIME VICTIMS THEIR
NEXT OF KIN AND FAMILY MEMBERS
MEANINGFULLY EXERCISED THEIR
RIGHTS DURING PAROLE AND RE
SENTENCING HEARINGS.
SPECIFICALLY A B 88 REQUIRES THE
BOARD OF PAROLE HEARINGS TO
PROVIDE A CRIME VICTIMS NEXT OF
KIN MEMBER OF VICTIMS FAMILY
VICTIMS REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL
REPRESENTING ANY OF THESE
PERSONS OR VICTIM SUPPORT
PERSONS MORE FLEXIBILITY TO
ATTEND PAROLE SUSTAINMENT. UH,
SUITABILITY HEARING. THE BILL
ALSO ENSURES THAT THERE IS A
CLEAR PROCESS FOR CRIME VICTIMS
TO HAVE THEIR PERSPECTIVE HEARD
ON A PETITION OF RE SENTENCING.
EVEN IF THE DEFENSE AND
PROSECUTION BOTH AGREED TO WAIVE
THE HEARING. THIS IS THE COMMON
SENSE BILL THAT SAFEGUARDS THE
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF CRIME
VICTIMS AND THEIR LOVED ONES.
FOR THAT REASON I URGE YOU TO
SUPPORT THIS MEASURE TESTIFYING
WITH ME TODAY IS JULIO DE LEON
WITH THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND CINDY
DASILVA. WHO IS A CRIMINAL
PROSECUTOR. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY,
BEGIN FIVE MINUTES FOR GOOD
MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS JULIA DELEON. UM, A
LIEUTENANT WITH THE RIVERSIDE
COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. UM
AND ON BEHALF OF SHARE, BIANCO
AND THE ORGANIZATION WE PROBABLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL BECAUSE
INSURANCE THE VICTIMS OF CRIME
AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE
ABLE TO EXERCISE THEIR
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. DURING
PAROLE AND RE SENTENCING
HEARINGS. EXISTING LAW PERMITS
THE COURT ON ITS OWN MOTION OR
ON THE MOTION OF SPECIFIED
ENTITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, THE DA'S
OFFICE YOGIS OFFICE TO RECALL A
SENTENCE WITHIN 120 DAYS. OF
COMMITMENT WITHOUT A HEARING AT
THE PARTY, SO STIPULATE. DURING
THESE HEARINGS. OR UPON
STIPULATION THE COURT MAY REDUCE
OR EVEN VACATE CONVICTIONS BASED
ON POST CONVICTION FACTORS IN
THE INTERESTS OF JUSTICE. ALL
THE WHILE NOT TAKING THE
VICTIMS. POST CAN POST
CONVICTION CONCERNS INTO
CONSIDERATION IF THE COURT'S
DECISION WAS REACHED BY
STIPULATION. THIS LAW DIRECTLY
CONFLICTS WITH MARTIAL LAW BY
NOT INCLUDING PROVISIONS TO
ALLOW A CRIME VICTIM TO HAVE
THEIR VOICES HEARD IN REGARD TO
THIS PROCEDURE. ALTHOUGH THEY
HAVE THE EXISTING RIGHT TO BE
HEARD UNDER SECTION 28 ARTICLE
ONE OF OUR CONSTITUTION WITHOUT
NOTICE. WHAT GOOD IS THAT RIGHT?
IT'S LIKE OBTAINING A
CONFESSION. AND THEN TELLING THE
DEFENDANT OH, BY THE WAY, THESE
ARE YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS. IN
OTHER WORDS, YOU REACH A
CONCLUSION WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE
PERSON. OTHER RIGHTS. THIS BILL.
EMPOWERS VICTIMS AND THE
FAMILIES TO EXERCISE THEIR
RIGHTS. AND HAVE THEIR VOICES
HEARD IN PAROLE AND SENTENCING
HEARINGS. BY ALLOWING THEM TO
FILE A REQUEST TO BE HEARD
WITHIN 15 DAYS. HAVE BEEN
NOTIFIED OF SUCH HEARING.
LIKEWISE CDCR RECENTLY ENACTED
REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE
DIFFERENT NOTICE REQUIREMENTS
FOR VICTIM AND THEIR FAMILY
MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN PAROLE
HEARINGS. THIS BILL ENSURES THAT
CRIME VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILY
MEMBERS HAVE THE SAME 15 DAY
NOTICE REQUIREMENT TO ATTEND
PAROLE. HEARINGS. THIS BILL
FILLS A GAP LEFT IN THE WAKE OF
RECENT RE SENTENCING LAWS AND
RESTORES THE CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHTS OF VICTIMS. TO ADDRESS
THE OPPOSITION. I AGREE. NOT
MANY VICTIMS CHOOSE TO ATTEND
HEARINGS, BUT SOME DO. AND THE
LAW HAS AFFORDED THEM THAT
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DO SO.
WE NEED TO PROTECT THOSE RIGHTS.
OF THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO ATTEND OR
PROVIDE A STATEMENT, NOT ATTEMPT
TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM THE
PROCESS. FOR SOME VICTIMS. THIS
IS PART OF THEIR HEALING
PROCESS. AND WE SHOULD ENSURE
THAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED.
IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING THEM
WITH OTHER WRAPAROUND SERVICES
TO MAKE THEM WHOLE AGAIN. JUST
THAT IS JUST AS IT IS IMPORTANT
TO PROVIDE DEFENDANTS THE NOTICE
AND OPPORTUNITY TO EXERCISE
THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. IT
IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE
STATE TO PROTECT THOSE
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF VICTIMS
AS WELL. THIS BILL AIMS TO
ACCOMPLISH THAT ON BEHALF OF
SHARE BIANCA AND RIVERSIDE
COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WE
HUMBLY REQUEST YOU'RE ABLE I
VOTES TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING. ONCE AGAIN,
THANK YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS
CINDY DE SILVA WITH THE SAN
JOAQUIN COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND I WANT TO
POINT OUT THAT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
SANCHEZ'S MEASURE HERE IS ONE OF
PERSONAL EMPOWERMENT IN AN
OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, AND THE
BILL THAT WE JUST HEARD BEFORE
THIS TALKED ABOUT RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE AND ONE OF THE BIG
DRIVING FORCES BEHIND
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE IS GIVING
EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HEARD THAT PROMOTES HEALING. AND
IN A SITUATION SUCH AS THIS
PAROLE HEARINGS, SOMETIMES THE
VICTIM'S FAMILY GETS TO SEE FACE
TO FACE THE PERPETRATOR, AND
SOMETIMES THAT ACTUALLY DOES
RESULT IN HEALING, GIVING THEM
THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THEIR
MIND TALK ABOUT THE EFFECT IT
HAD ON THEIR LIFE, HEELS,
EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND THIS
MORNING WHILE I CERTAINLY DON'T
MEAN TO DRAW A PARALLEL BETWEEN,
UM PERPETRATORS AND VICTIMS AND
SAY, IT'S LIKE A COUPLE I DID
NOTE THAT IT WAS IT IS
VALENTINE'S DAY AND I NOTICED ON
TV THIS MORNING, SOMEBODY
TALKING ABOUT VALIDATION AND
COUPLES WHO COMMUNICATE WITH
EACH OTHER, GIVING EACH OTHER
VALIDATION AND HEARING WHAT THE
OTHER SIDE IS SAYING. AND I
THINK THAT A B 88 DOES THAT IT
GIVES THE VICTIM THE OPPORTUNITY
TO HAVE THEIR, UM, THE EFFECT
THAT THE CRIME HAD ON THEIR LIFE
HEARD BY THE PERPETRATOR. SO UM
, WITH THIS, I WILL GO AHEAD AND
SUBMIT, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS. THERE IS ONE
SECOND THING THAT THE BILL DOES,
UM AND THAT IS CLARIFYING AND
ASPECT OF THE LAW THAT THE
VICTIM CAN REQUEST TO BE HEARD,
EVEN IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE THAT
THAT THE PERPETRATOR SHOULD BE
LET OUT EARLY, AND THAT ALSO
GIVES THE VICTIM'S FAMILY A
RIGHT TO BE HEARD. SHOULD THEY
WISH TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANY
OTHER WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. CHAIR MAX PERRY WITH
THE CALIFORNIA POLICE CHIEF
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. MR CHAIR CARL LONDON ON
BEHALF OF CRIME VICTIMS UNITED
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NOW. ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION? ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION SEEN NONE. UM WE WILL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS FOR ANY COMMENTS.
QUESTIONS MR LACKEY? YEAH, I
HAVE A VERY PREDICTABLE POSITION
ON THIS BILL. BUT I WANT TO
REMIND EVERYBODY ON THE
COMMITTEE THAT NOT IN EVERY
INSTANCE. ARE THESE ENCOUNTERS
COMPLETELY ADVERSARIAL? AND THEY
ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE. TO BE
HEALING, AS INDICATED, AND I
WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD TAKE
THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN
CONSIDERING THIS PARTICULAR
PROPOSAL. THAT ANYTHING THAT
ACTUALLY HELPS HEAL. IS
BENEFICIAL AND WORKS TOWARDS THE
SPIRIT OF JUSTICE. AND SO I'M
CLEARLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
THANK YOU. THE OTHER COMMENT.
YES SALINIZATION ALSO LIKE TO
MAKE A COMMENT. AS YOU ALL KNOW,
IN MY PRIOR CAREER, I GET TO
SPEND A LOT OF TIME AT THE
COURTHOUSE AND LISTENING TO
VICTIMS AND VICTIM IMPACT
STATEMENTS AND THIS WAS A GREAT
TIME FOR THEM TO HEAL, AND IT
WAS ALSO A TIME FOR THEM TO ALSO
GIVE FORGIVENESS AS WELL, AND
SOME OF THE SPEAKS OR THE
SPEECHES THAT THEY GAVE AND SO I
KNOW A LOT OF THE TIMES WE
REMEMBER THE RIGHTS OF THE
DEFENDANTS, BUT WE ALWAYS FORGET
THE RIGHTS OF THE VICTIMS AS
WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS TODAY AND GIVING THEM THAT
VOICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND
THE OTHER COMMENTS YOU MAY
CLOSE. THANK YOU. A B 88 IS A
REASONABLE MEASURE THAT ENSURES
THAT CRIME VICTIMS AND THEIR
FAMILY MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO
MEANINGFULLY EXERCISED THEIR
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE
ON THIS MEASURE. THANK YOU. WE
NEED A MOTION IN A SECOND. FOUR
STEPS. CARES, RECOMMENDING IBO,
COLORADO. BEEN MOVED IN SECOND
IN ON A B 88 BY SOME MEMBER
SANCHEZ. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
TO THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
. JOHN SAWYER, JOHN SAWYER, I
ALANIS ALANIS. I BANTER I, BRIAN
. BRIAN I LACKEY, BLACKIE. I
ORTEGA ORTEGA EYES SANTIAGO.
ZIPPER ZIPPER? AYE. THE MEASURE
PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
WITNESSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OH
ITEM. 89 89? YES. MAYBE YOU
WRITE IT. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS AND COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
YOUR TIME AND FOR WORKING WITH
ME ON THIS BILL. I'LL START BY
SAYING THAT I WILL BE ACCEPTING
THE COMMITTEE'S PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS. A B 89 IS AN
IMPORTANT MEASURE THAT WILL
REQUIRE A DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE TO NOTIFY CRIME VICTIMS
AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS IF THEY
WILL NOT BE SENDING A
REPRESENTATIVE TO ATTEND A
PAROLE HEARING. IT IS TYPICAL
PRACTICE FOR A DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEND A
REPRESENTATIVE TO APPEAR AT A
PAROLE HEARING. AND DEMONSTRATE
TO THE BOARD WHETHER AN INMATE
IS UNSUITABLE FOR RELEASE, THE
REPRESENTATIVE CAN HIGHLIGHT THE
SERIOUSNESS OF THE INMATES
CRIMES AND REBUT ANY MISLEADING
ARGUMENTS MADE BY THE INMATE OR
INMATES ATTORNEY ABOUT THE
CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE CRIME. SOME
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS HAVE DECIDED
TO STOP SENDING DEPUTIES TO
PAROLE HEARINGS. THIS HAS
UNFORTUNATELY LEFT MANY CRIME
VICTIMS AND THEIR NEXT OF KIN TO
FEND FOR THEMSELVES IN A COMPLEX
LEGAL SYSTEM. A B 89 OFFERS
THESE CRIME VICTIMS AND NEEDED
TO SOURCE OF SUPPORT BY
REQUIRING A DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE TO NOTIFY VICTIMS AND
THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS IF THEY
WILL NOT BE SENDING A
REPRESENTATIVE TO A PAROLE
HEARING. THIS NOTICE REQUIREMENT
IS CRUCIAL FOR ENSURING CRIME
VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE
ADEQUATE TIME TO PREPARE FOR
THESE PAROLE HEARINGS SHOULD A
REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NOT ATTEND? I
RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT
FOR THIS MEASURE SO THAT CRIME
VICTIMS CAN ADEQUATELY PREPARE
FOR FUTURE PAROLE HEARINGS.
TESTIFYING WITH ME TODAY IS
JULIO DE LEON FROM RIVERSIDE
COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND
CINDY DE SILVA. WHO IS A
CRIMINAL PROSECUTOR. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING ONCE AGAIN AND
THANK YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS
CINDY DE SILVA WITH THE SAN
JOAQUIN COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. ONCE AGAIN,
I'M HONORED TO SPEAK TO YOU AT
THIS POINT IN SUPPORT OF A B
WHAT A B 89 FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SANCHEZ. SAYS,
UM FAR TOO OFTEN ARE VICTIMS OF
CRIME COME FROM UNDERREPRESENTED
COMMUNITIES, AND I THINK THAT
PEOPLE NATURALLY PRESUME THAT
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR THEM
AND IN SITUATIONS THAT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SANCHEZ HAS
HIGHLIGHTED HERE. SOMETIMES THE
OFFICERS FAIL THEM AND BECAUSE
OF A B 89, IT WOULD GIVE THEM
THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST COME
IN AND AS SHE SAYS, FEND FOR
THEMSELVES. AT LEAST SOMEBODY
WOULD BE FENDING FOR THEM. THEN
THIS BILL JUST GIVES THEM THE
NOTICE. TO LET THEM KNOW WHEN
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
IS NOT GOING TO DO WHAT THOSE
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY
NATURALLY WOULD PRESUME THAT THE
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS
GOING TO DO SO THAT THEY CAN AT
LEAST GO IN THERE AND BE HEARD
LIKE I MENTIONED ON THE PRIOR
ASSEMBLY BILL THAT MEMBER
SANCHEZ BROUGHT TO, UM THIS BODY
. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HEARD IN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE WITH THAT,
I'LL SUBMIT HAVE WE WANTED? GOOD
MORNING. SHARON COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS JULIO DELEON AGAIN.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'M A
LIEUTENANT WITH THE RIVERSIDE
COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND ON
BEHALF OF THE OFFICE, AND
SHERIFF CHAD BIANCO. WE ARE
PROBABLY WE PROBABLY SUPPORT
THIS BILL AND ENSURED VICTIMS
AND THE FAMILIES HAVE ADEQUATE
NOTICE. OF WHETHER PROSECUTING
AGENCY WILL ATTEND. AND
INCARCERATED PERSONS PAROLE
HEARING. THE ROLE OF THE
PROSECUTOR, IN OUR OPINION IS
VITAL TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF
JUSTICE DURING THESE HEARINGS.
NOT ONLY ARE THEY INTIMATELY
RELATED TO THE CASE AND THE
UNDERLYING FACTS SINCE THEY
PROSECUTED THE ORIGINAL CASE.
BUT BY DEFAULT, THEY REPRESENT
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA, THEREBY VICARIOUSLY
REPRESENTING THE VICTIM AS WELL.
THE DEFENSE AND OTHER PARTIES,
BY CONTRAST, ONLY REPRESENT THE
INTERESTS OF THE DEFENDANT AND
THE CLIENT. NOT THE VICTIM OR
THE PERSON OR THE PEOPLE OF
CALIFORNIA COLLECTIVELY.
FURTHERMORE SECTION 30 43.2 C OF
THE PENAL CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE
THE PROSECUTOR. TO REPRESENT THE
VIEWS OF THE VICTIM. BUT IT IS
ALL BUT IT ALSO DOES NOT
PROHIBIT THEM FROM DOING SO. SO
TO THE OPPOSITION'S POINT,
THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING THEM
THERE ANYWAYS, BECAUSE THEY
DON'T REPRESENT THE VICTIM. WELL
THEY ARE MISGUIDED AND
MISINTERPRET THE LAW. HAVING A
GOOD AUTHORITY THAT OUR D A S
OFFICE IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY.
DOES, IN FACT REPRESENT VICTIMS.
DURING THESE HEARINGS, AND THEY
PROBABLY DO SO BECAUSE THEY
BELIEVE IT IS OUR DUTY AND
OBLIGATION TO DO SO. THE LARGEST
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN
CALIFORNIA, LED BY D. A. GEORGE
GASCON HAS ISSUED A POLICY OF
NOT APPEARING ON BEHALF OF CRIME
VICTIMS DURING PAROLE HEARINGS.
THIS POLICY LEAVES VICTIMS WITH
LESS INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT
COUNTY SUCH AS OURS. THE BILL
INSURERS THAT AT THE VERY LEAST,
CRIME VICTIMS WILL BE NOTIFIED
IF A DISTRICT ATTORNEY DECIDES
NOT TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE
ATTENDED PAROLE HEARING. HAVING
A PROSECUTOR THERE HELPS THE
VICTIM NAVIGATE THROUGH THE
LEGAL PROCESS HELPS THEM FEEL
MORE COMFORTABLE AND FOR THE
UNDER REPRESENTED AND
FINANCIALLY BURDENED POPULATIONS
. THIS REDUCES THE FINANCIAL
DRAIN OF HAVING A HIGHER PRIVATE
COUNSEL, IN ADDITION TO THIS
POINT IS LOST IN THE DISCUSSION.
THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE HAS A
DEDICATED TEAM OF VICTIM
ADVOCATES AND SUPPORT SERVICES
TO HELP THE VICTIM DURING DURING
THIS PROCESS, SO THE D A CHOOSES
NOT TO SEND THE REPRESENTATIVE.
THEN THOSE SERVICES ARE ALSO
TAKEN AWAY FROM THE VICTIM. NOW
IT IS GOOD THAT SHARED BIANCA
PREFERS THE D A S MANDATORY
APPEARANCE. BUT WE UNDERSTAND
THAT THIS IS NOT THE INTENT OF
THE BILL, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST,
WE SHOULD PROVIDE ADEQUATE
NOTICE TO VICTIMS IN ORDER TO
PROVIDE THEM. UH PROVIDE PREPARE
THEM. FOR LEGALLY, EMOTIONALLY
FINANCIALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY
FOR THE HEARING IF THEY CHOOSE
TO ATTEND WITHOUT THE PROSECUTOR
PRESENT. WE READ THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS AND WE BELIEVE THAT
THEY STRENGTHEN THE BILL AND
PROVIDE ADEQUATE PROTECTIONS TO
BOTH THE VICTIM AND THE
INCARCERATED PERSON. FOR THESE
REASONS WE SUPPORT THIS BILL AND
HUMBLY ASK FOR YOUR EYE BOATS
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND
THE OTHER WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
MR CHAIR MEMBERS BRANDED UP ON
BEHALF OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
SHERIFF AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
KIM STONE STONE ADVOCACY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
AND SUPPORT. CHAIR CARL LONDON
ON BEHALF OF CRIME VICTIMS
UNITED IN SUPPORT OF THIS, BILL.
THANK YOU. MAX PERRY WITH THE
CALIFORNIA POLICE CHIEF
ASSOCIATIONS SUPPORT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. NOW. WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. SEEING THAT WILL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. COMMENTS OR YOU'RE.
ACTUALLY WHAT. WHAT? YOUR FIRST
MR BRIAN, AND THEN YOU
CONSOLIDATE. I APPRECIATE THAT.
I. BEEN STUDYING THIS FOR A LONG
TIME WORK WITH A LOT OF
DIFFERENT PROSECUTORS. UM PRIOR
TO BEING IN OFFICE, HELPED WITH
AN ORGANIZATION OF PROSECUTORS
FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY. I DON'T
BELIEVE THERE'S A ROLE FOR THE
DISTRICT ATTORNEY AT PAROLE
HEARINGS. PERSONALLY I THINK IT
PROVIDES, UM POLITICAL WEIGHT ON
A PROCESS THAT ALREADY HAS
APPOINTED MEMBERS TO MAKE A
THOUGHTFUL, UM, DECISION
WEIGHING THE INTERESTS OF
JUSTICE, REHABILITATION AND THE
VICTIM. WE SAW A BILL SIMILAR TO
THIS BY A MEMBER WHO IS NO
LONGER IN THIS BODY. NOT THAT
LONG AGO. UM AND SO, AS A RESULT
OF THAT, I WILL NOT BE
SUPPORTING IT TODAY. GERMANY. I
KNOW IN MY DISTRICT THAT WE DO
TAKE CARE OF THAT, AND WE DO
PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES AND IT'S
GREAT TO HAVE A D A THERE TO BE
THAT VOICE AS YOU GUYS KNOW.
WHEN THE FAMILIES SHOW UP. THEY
ARE DISTRAUGHT. THERE. THERE'S
STILL HEALING AND THE D A.
PROVIDES THEM THAT GUIDANCE THAT
THEY NEED TO HAVE SEEN MANY
TIMES WHERE THEY JUST CAN'T GET
THE WORDS OUT, OR THEY DON'T
KNOW THEY'RE STILL LOST, AND
THEY DO NEED THAT PERSON THERE
TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS
AND ALSO AS TO ECHO, AS I SAID
EARLIER. I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN HIM
ALSO WORTH THEY THE FAMILY. THE
DÍAS. EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, YOU
KNOW, THE TIME HAS COME IN WHERE
THEY DID RECOMMEND THAT THE
PERSON GET RELEASED SO THAT
HEALING AND THAT FORGIVENESS
PART ALSO IS PART OF THIS AS
WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MISS
MARTHA THANK YOU. I ALSO. UH I
WANT TO JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS
MOMENT IS ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING
COMMITTED A CRIME HAVING SERVED
THEIR TIME. HAVING GONE THROUGH
THE RESTITUTION AND HOPEFULLY
THE REHABILITATION. WELL
DEFINITELY THE REHABILITATION IF
THEY'VE EARNED THE ABILITY TO
HAVE A PAROLE HEARING. AND AT
THAT POINT WE ARE SEEKING TO BE
ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A PERSON
IS DOING AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE
AFTER THEY SERVED THEIR SENTENCE
AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE
SUITABLE FOR PAROLE. IT'S THAT
MOMENT THAT I'M LOOKING AT. FOR
THOSE REASONS I'LL BE UP STATING
FROM THIS BILL. AND THE OTHER MR
ORTEGA. UM. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
SANCHEZ. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING
IN TERMS OF REALLY HIGHLIGHTING
OUR VICTIMS. IN THIS PROCESS, I
WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT
TO OUR OFFICE AND REALLY WORK
WITH ME AND TRYING TO ENHANCE
SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO
DO. I WILL BE SUPPORTING TODAY'S
BILL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF
THE CHAIR. HOWEVER, I HAVE A LOT
OF QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY. THE
OTHER. YOU MAKE CLOTHES. A B 80
NINE'S REASONABLE NOTIFICATION
REQUIREMENT WILL IMPROVE THE
ABILITY OF CRIME VICTIMS AND
THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TO PREPARE
FOR AND PARTICIPATE IN THE
PAROLE HEARING PROCESS. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE
ON THIS MEASURE. OKAY, SO. I'M
GONNA GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT TODAY
. SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO WHAT
YOU'RE HEARING IS AND NOW I'LL
SAY IT THIS WAY. UM, I GET A LOT
OF CALLS FROM PEOPLE TRYING TO
GET GOING BEFORE THE PAROLE
BOARD, SURE, AND A LOT OF TIMES
THEY BRING EVIDENCE TO ME ABOUT
THE CASE THAT THEY HAD EITHER
THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE INNOCENT
OR THE JUDGE WAS WRONG OR THE D
A WAS WRONG AND THE POLICE
MISHANDLED IT. AND WHAT I FOUND
OUT IS AS FAR AS THE PAROLE
BOARD IS CONCERNED. IT'S ABOUT
THE TIME THAT THEY WERE IN
PRISON. PERIOD AND WHETHER NOT
THEY REHABILITATED. AND THEY
WILL TELL YOU AT A PAROLE
HEARING. THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR
ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE
CRIME. THEY DON'T WANT TO
RELITIGATE IT. THAT PERSON WAS
ALREADY PROSECUTED WITH FINE AND
SENT TO JAIL. THAT'S DONE NOW.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THAT PERSON
NOW THAT THEY'RE IN? AND THAT'S
WHY I THINK YOU'RE HEARING NOW.
NOW THAT THEY'RE IN PRISON. WHAT
TRANSFORMATIVE THING HAS
HAPPENED. BECAUSE THAT'S THE
ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET OUT OF
PRISON. THEY HAVE TO PROVE TO
PAROLE BOARD THAT THEY HAVE
TRANSFORMED THE RETICENCE. AH,
THAT YOU MAY HEAR FROM FROM
PROSECUTORS WHO DON'T WANT TO
SEND UM, THEY'RE THEY'RE
INDIVIDUALS THERE IS THEY DON'T
WANT TO. RE LITIGATE THE CASE.
IF IT'S IF THEY HAVE SOME
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT
WOULD SHUT THE LIGHT THAT THAT
PERSON IS NOW AGAIN WE USE THE
WORD TRANSFORMED THEMSELVES. TO
A BETTER PLACE SO THEY CAN BE
REHABILITATED AND BACK INTO
SOCIETY OR NOT ARE NOT A THREAT
TO PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT'S WHAT
SHOULD BE TALKED ABOUT IN THE
PUBLIC HEARING, SO THAT'S WHAT
YOU'RE BEGINNING WITH THE BUT
THE CHASM RIGHT NOW THAT YOU
HAVE TO CLOSE WITH MEMBERS HERE
RIGHT NOW, SO, UH, IT'S I THINK
YOU MAY GET OUT TODAY, BUT YOU
HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. OK?
OKAY CHEERS RECOMMENDED. I DO
HAVE EMOTION. AND A B 89 BY SOME
MEMBER SANCHEZ. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS AS A MANAGER OF THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOAN
SAWYER. JOHN SAWYER. I ALANIS
ALANIS BONTA. NOT VOTING BANTER
, NOT VOTING. BRIAN BRIAN, NOT
VOTING LACKEY LACKEY. I ORTEGA
ORTEGA EYES SANTIAGO SANTIAGO
ZABAR. SUPER I MEASURE PASSES. I
BELIEVE THAT WAS OUR LAST ONE.
NEXT WEEK, WE WILL DO ANY ADD
ONS. LIFTING OF PAUL'S UH, I'M
GONNA VOTE CHANGES. MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE GO TO ALL THE
MEASURES TAKEN UP TODAY. ON THE
COMMITTEE RULES. BRIAN BRIAN I
LACKEY LACKEY I SANTIAGO
SANTIAGO I ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. BRIAN BRIAN I LACKEY
LACKEY I SANTIAGO SANTIAGO. AYE.
ITEM NUMBER ONE A. B 18 BY JOE
PATTERSON. SANTIAGO NO, NO, NO
ON RECONSIDERATION. YEAH. YES.
SANTIAGO ION RECONSIDERATION FOR
A B 18. ITEM NUMBER TWO A. B 21
WAS NOT CONSENT AND HAS BEEN
DISPENSED WITH ITEM NUMBER THREE
A B 27. BONTA. NO TO KNOW
SANTIAGO. SOMETHING I DON'T
KNOW. ITEM NUMBER FOUR A. B 29
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO AYE. ITEM
NUMBER FIVE B 56 BY MR LACKEY.
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO AYE. I DON'T
NUMBER 6 67 WAS ON CONSENT. ITEM
NUMBER SEVEN A B 76 BY MISS
DAVIES, BRIAN. I BRIAN I.
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO. AYE. I
REMEMBER EIGHT BY EXCUSE ME. I
DON'T MEMBER, A BABY 88 BY MS
SANCHEZ. SANTIAGO SANTIAGO I
ITEM NUMBER NINE WAS JUSTIN
SPENCE WITH AN ITEM NUMBER 10 80
97 WAS PULLED BY THE AUTHOR.
THANK YOU MEMBERS. WE'RE
FINISHED WITH THEM TWO HOURS, SO
I THINK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE
AND THAT'S GETTING THROUGH.
RIGHT? THANK YOU. THINK HE'S ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU, PRIVATE.
YES.
PUT IT BACK BECAUSE NEXT TIME I
ASK TO BORROW ONE WON'T GET ANY
ATTENTION, GIRL.