WELL AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY AND
WELCOME TO THE SECOND REGULAR
MEETING OF THE ASSEMBLY
COMMITTEE ON REVENUE AND TAX
BEFORE WE TAKE UP BILLS ON OUR
AGENDA TODAY, I WANT TO REMIND
EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE AND
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THE
COMMITTEE IS NOT ACCEPTING
REMOTE TESTIMONY. AS ALWAYS, WE
ARE ACCEPTING WRITTEN TESTIMONY
THROUGH THE POSITION LETTER. UM
PORTAL ON THE COMMITTEE'S
WEBSITE. PLEASE MAKE SURE TO
SUBMIT LETTERS AT LEAST ONE WEEK
PRIOR TO THE COMMITTEE HEARING
IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE
REFLECTED IN THE ANALYSIS. I
WILL ALSO REMIND THOSE IN THE
HEARING ROOM AND MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE REINSTITUTED
OUR SUSPENSE FILE THIS YEAR.
BILLS WITH THE FISCAL IMPACT OF
PLUS OR MINUS 150,000 WILL NOT
BE ELIGIBLE FOR A VOTE
IMMEDIATELY AFTER PRESENTATION.
UH WITH THAT IN MIND ONLY ONE
BILL ON TODAY'S AGENDA. MAYBE
559 WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR A VOTE
TODAY. ADDITIONALLY A B 12 03 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BAINES HAS BEEN
PULLED FROM TODAY'S AGENDA BY
THE AUTHOR. IT LOOKS LIKE WE
HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PETRIE-NORRIS,
THAILAND PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
OR NGUYEN. HERE. WALLACE.
SPAIN'S GRAYSON. THE CHACO.
PATERSON. PETRIE-NORRIS RIVAS
TOUGH VALENCIA SUBURB. WE HAVE
THE CORN. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A
QUORUM, SO WE WILL BE BEGIN BY
TAKING UP A B 559 BY ASSEMBLY
MEN, AMBER BOERNER HORVATH AND
AGAIN. THIS IS THE ONLY BILL
WHICH WILL BE, UM, HAVING A VOTE
TODAY. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BEGIN
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU
SO MUCH. MAYBE 559 WOULD EXTEND
THE SUNSET DATE FOR THE
CALIFORNIA SENIOR LEGISLATURE.
VOLUNTARY TEXT. CONTRIBUTION
FUND TO REMAIN ON STATE TAX
RETURNS TO THE TAXABLE YEAR 2030
. THE EXISTING SUNSET EXPIRES
AND THE CURRENT 2023 TAXABLE
YEAR, THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SENIOR LEGISLATURE IS A
VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION, WHICH
ADVOCATES FOR PRIORITIES TO
ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR
SENIOR CITIZENS BY WAY OF MODEL
LEGISLATION. SINCE 1983, THE
CALIFORNIA SENIOR LEGISLATURE
HAS BEEN FUNDED THROUGH
VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS RECEIVED
WITH STATE INCOME TAX RETURNS.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE MORE THAN 20
VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION FUNDS
THAT ALLOW TAXPAYERS TO DONATE
MONEY BY CHECKING ONE OR MORE
BOXES ON THEIR STATE INCOME TAX
RETURNS, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS,
VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION FUNDS
REMAIN ON THE STATE FORM UNTIL
THEY ARE REPEALED BY A SUNSET
DATE. 85 59. WHAT? EXTEND THE
SUNSET DATE FROM 2023 TO 2030.
TO PROVIDE ONGOING FINANCIAL
SUPPORT TO THE CALIFORNIA SENIOR
LEGISLATURE, ALLOWING OUR AGING
POPULATION TO REMAIN ENGAGED AND
ACTIVE IN OUR LEGISLATIVE
PROCESS. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR I VOTE AND I HAVE HERE WITH
ME, SENIOR SENATOR JOHN POINTER
CHAIR OF THE JOINT RULES
COMMITTEE FOR THE CALIFORNIA
SENIOR LEGISLATURE, THE SPONSORS
OF THIS BILL, YOU. WOMAN URBAN
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THANK
YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF 85
59. LIKE TO START BY NOTING THAT
THE CSL WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL
PARTICIPANTS IN THE TAX
CHECKOFF. IN 1985 A B 13 86
CREATED THE CALIFORNIA FUND FOR
SENIOR CITIZENS. THE FUND WAS
ASSIGNED TO CONDUCT ANNUAL
SESSION AND SUPPORT ONGOING
ACTIVITIES CONTINUOUSLY AND
THERE WAS NO MINIMUM
CONTRIBUTION. MAYBE 559
INSURANCE, THE CSL REMAINS ON
THE TAX CHECKOFF THROUGH 2030.
AND PROVIDES FUNDING TO SUPPORT
OUR EFFORTS IN ADVOCATING FOR
SENIORS. AYE CSL IS THE
LEGISLATIVE CHAMPION? FOR THE
CALIFORNIA SENIORS WITH OVER 40
YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ADVOCATING
FOR SENIORS. LEGISLATION
DEVELOPED BY THE CSL MEMBERS
IMPACTS THE LIVES OF SENIORS
ACROSS THE STATE. DURING THESE
FOUR DECADES OVER 200 BILLS HAVE
BEEN SIGNED INTO LAW. SOME
EXAMPLES INCLUDE A B 6 43
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S KAZARIAN SILVER
ALERT. MADAM CHAIR A B 25 11.
SAME WE WILL REMEMBER IRWIN
SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES BACK
UP ELECTRICAL SUPPLY A B 21 45
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DAVIES ORAL
HEALTHCARE AND SKILLED NURSING
FACILITIES. THOSE ARE JUST A
FEW. I COULD GO ON, BUT I'M SURE
FOR EXPEDIENCE HERE. IN AN
ENVIRONMENT WHERE SENIORS ARE
DESTINED TO BECOME THE LARGEST
POPULATION SEGMENT IN THE STATE.
WE NEED AN ORGANIZATION WITH OUR
HISTORY OF ADVOCATING FOR
SENIORS. MAYBE 559 PROVIDES CSL
WITH THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE
THIS ROLE. I HEARD YOU TO VOTE.
FOR A B 559. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR. AND WE CERTAINLY
APPRECIATED YOUR SUGGESTION AND
THE BILL THAT PASSED ON BACKUP
GENERATION FOR NURSING HOMES. UH
SO ALWAYS ALWAYS LIKE YOUR
SUGGESTIONS. WE WERE LOOKING AT
THEM THIS YEAR, TOO. I URGE
EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT THE BILLS
THAT THOSE SENIORS COME UP WITH.
THEY WORK VERY HARD. ARE THERE
ANY OTHER WITNESSES OF WISHING
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT? AND HE
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE
COMMITTEE. SO I THINK WE HAD A
AWAITED MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAYSON SECOND
BY ONE. SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WERE WALLACE.
UM AND JUST SO WE HAVE, UM CAN
YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR
LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY IS THIS
YEAR? UH A COUPLE OF US THERE
ARE 10 JUST LATER PRIORITIES
WERE WORKING ON UH, LET'S JUST A
COUPLE A COUPLE OF WHEN THAT
JUMPS OUT IMMEDIATELY IS AN
ISSUE INVOLVING GRANDPARENTS AND
GRANDCHILDREN AND GUARDIANSHIP.
AND ALSO ADOPTION. UH THERE IS
ALSO, UH. YEAH. WHAT WELL, I
THINK THAT I'M SORRY THAT YOU
DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND ALL
OF THEM, BUT I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT
LIKE TO SHARE A FEW. AND THE
GRANDPARENTS AND ADOPTION ONE.
WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT AH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
MY VOTE. ALRIGHT AND THE
RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, PASS AND
SO I HAVE AGAIN EMOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRATION AND A
SECOND BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER.
WALLACE AND, UM, CAN I PLEASE
AND THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
COMMITTEE. MS HIGHLAND, CAN YOU
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
IRWIN IRWIN, I, WALLACE WALLACE.
I BAINES. AYE. GRAYSON GRAYSON,
I PACHECO CHICO, I PATERSON
PATERSON. I PETRIE-NORRIS
PETRIE-NORRIS RIVAS RIVAS. I
TALK TÂM VALENCIA. LET'S SEE I
SUBURB. IT'S PAST 10 0.
CONGRATULATIONS THAT BILL HAS
PASSED 10 TO 0. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. NEXT UP IS I FILE ITEM TO
A V 58 TO BUY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CONNOLLY? MR CONNELLY, WHENEVER
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU. CHAIR
AND MEMBERS GET AFTERNOON TODAY
. I'M PROUD TO PRESENT A B 5 82.
A TAX CREDIT TO HELP OUR
VULNERABLE SENIORS WHO ARE
THREATENED BY EVER INCREASING
WILDFIRES TO SAFEGUARD THEIR
HOMES AND PROTECT THEIR LIVES.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE
AND STAFF FOR WORKING WITH MY
OFFICE ON THIS BILL, AND I'M
COMMITTED TO WORKING TOGETHER ON
THE ISSUES RAISED IN THE
COMMITTEE AND NOW ICIS, THE
INCREASING THREAT AND
DESTRUCTION FROM WILDFIRES AS A
RESULT OF CLIMATE CHANGE IS ONE
OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT
CHALLENGES. FACING CALIFORNIA
TODAY. ACCORDING TO CAL FIRE,
THERE HAVE BEEN 23,711. WITH THE
CUMULATIVE 7,237,000. NUMBER OF
ACRES OF LAND DESTROYED IN 2021
OVER $500 MILLION WORTH OF
DAMAGES WERE CAUSED FROM
WILDFIRES. AS CLIMATE CHANGE
CONTINUES TO WORSEN. WILDFIRE
CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO LAST
LONGER AND BE MORE ACTIVE. SINCE
2018 THERE HAVE BEEN 100 AND 45
FATALITIES AND 40,257 STRUCTURES
DESTROYED DUE TO WILDFIRES IN
CALIFORNIA. SOCIAL SERVICES ARE
ALSO STRAINED AS THOSE WHO LOSE
THEIR HOMES OFTEN FACE LONG TERM
DISPLACEMENT OR EVEN
HOMELESSNESS. CALIFORNIA SENIORS
ARE AMONG THE MOST VULNERABLE TO
WILDFIRES, ACCORDING TO A 2019
U. C IRVINE. STUDY THE AREAS
AFFECTED BY FIRES HAVE
SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER NUMBERS OF
SENIORS. A RECENT KQED AND COW
MATTERS. INVESTIGATION FOUND
THAT NEARLY TWO MILLION OLDER
CALIFORNIANS LIVE IN AREAS WHERE
WILDFIRE IS A FORMIDABLE THREAT.
SENIORS OFTEN HAVE MOBILITY AND
HEALTH ISSUES AS WE KNOW THAT
MAKE IT INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO
EVACUATE QUICKLY OR AT ALL WHEN
A WILDFIRE STARTS TO THREATEN
THEIR HOME HOME, HARDENING
MEASURES HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO
SAVE LIVES AND SPARE COMMUNITIES
FROM THE WORST OF THESE
AGGRESSIVE FIRES. 85 82 CREATES
A TAX CREDIT FOR 40. OF HOME
HARDENING COSTS INCURRED BY
CALIFORNIA SENIOR WHO LIVES IN A
HIGH OR VERY HIGH FIRE HAZARD
SEVERITY ZONE. FOR UP TO $400
PER YEAR. IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE
SENIORS TO HAVE THEIR WORK DONE
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THIS CREDIT
IS ELIGIBLE TO BE CARRIED OVER
FOR UP TO $2000 SPREAD OVER FIVE
YEARS. EXPENSES THAT QUALIFY AND
CLEARED WORK DONE FOR A CLASS A
FIRE RATED ROOF. FIRE RESISTANT
VENTS, FIRE RESISTANT EAVES AND
THE USE ON NON COMBUSTIBLE
MATERIALS IN FENCES AND GATES.
CALIFORNIA SHOULD BE DOING ALL
IT CAN TO HELP FOLKS IN HIGH
RISK AREAS PROTECT THEMSELVES
AND THEIR FAMILIES FROM THESE
DEADLY NATURAL DISASTERS WITH ME
TO TESTIFY TODAY AND WELCOME IS
SENIOR SENATOR JOHN POINTER OF
THE CALIFORNIA SENIOR
LEGISLATURE. SENATOR YOU MAY
BEGIN QUÊ. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M HERE TODAY
TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT A
PREVENTION APPROACH. DESIGNED TO
ADDRESS THE RISING THREAT OF
WILDFIRES AND OLDER CALIFORNIANS
. I'M ALSO SPEAKING FROM
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, UH, LIVING
IN LAGUNA NIGUEL. I UH, WAS ONE
OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAME
CLOSE TO EXPERIENCING THE FIRE.
IN FACT, IT CAME WITHIN 100
YARDS OF MY OWN, SO I'VE GOT
SOME PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I
GUESS. ALSO HAVE SOME PERSONAL
SKIN IN THE GAME IS AS WELL.
WILDFIRES ARE INCREASING
EXPONENTIALLY IN THE STATE.
PROPERTY DESTRUCTION IS
OCCURRING AT ALARMING RATES. HEN
RESPONSE TO THE THREAT. CAL FIRE
RECOMMENDS PROPERTY OWNERS TAKE
NECESSARY PREVENTIVE MEASURES TO
PREPARE ONE'S HOME TO INCREASE
ITS LIKELIHOOD. OF SURVIVAL WHEN
WILDFIRES STRIKE A B 5 82
PROPOSES A TAX CREDIT FOR
CALIFORNIANS. LIVING IN HIGH
RISK AREAS. THE BILL ENABLES
OLDER CALIFORNIANS TO TAKE
PREVENTIVE ACTIONS TO PROTECT
THEIR PROPERTY AGAINST FIRE
DAMAGE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS
HARDENING ONE'S PROPERTY.
STUDIES HAVE NOTED THE
IMPORTANCE OLDER CALIFORNIANS
PLACE ON REMAINING THEIR HOMES.
IT'S TYPICALLY REPRESENTS THE
LARGEST ASSET THEY OWN AND
PROVIDES STABILITY AS WELL AS
AFFORDABILITY IN THEIR LIVES.
THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE NEWS
CLIPS OF OLDER CALIFORNIANS
BEING CRUSHED. BY THE
DEVASTATION THEY HAVE STAINED
FROM WILDFIRE DAMAGE. THEY MAY
NEVER RECOVER FROM THE LOSS OF
REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY. AND
THE DEVASTATING EFFECT AS IN
THEIR PERSONAL LIVES. A B 5 82
IS A CRITICAL TO KEEPING OLDER
CALIFORNIA. OLDER CALIFORNIANS
AND THEIR HOMES. THEREFORE, I
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. ON A B 582
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT?
WE DON'T. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS VANESSA CHAVEZ
WITH THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION
OF REALTORS AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. I'M KATRINA FOLEY
COUNTY SUPERVISOR FOR THE COUNTY
OF ORANGE DISTRICT FIVE
REPRESENTING MR CORNER. UM, AND
WE SUPPORT AS WELL. THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? GOOD AFTERNOON,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. WE WERE
ABLE TO GET AN OPPOSITION LETTER
IN THIS WEEKEND. WE APOLOGIZE.
WE'RE JUST FINISHING OUR
POSITIONS ON THIS COMMITTEE'S
NUMEROUS BILLS. UM, SEE CHERRY
CALPURNIA TAX REFORM ASSOCIATION
IS AN OPPOSITION TO THIS MEASURE
FOR THE NUMEROUS REASONS
OUTLINED IN THE ANALYSIS. UM AS
THIS COMMITTEE KNOWS, WE'RE
SPACING A SIGNIFICANT BUDGET
DEFICIT. UM AND BELIEVE THAT
THESE ISSUES COULD BE MORE
NARROWLY ADDRESSED BY A TARGETED
GRANT PROGRAM THAT BENEFITS
INDIVIDUALS WHO OTHERWISE MAY
NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO TEND TO
THESE NEEDS. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, UM DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE?
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PETRIE-NORRIS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO PICK UP
ON A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT
WERE MADE IN THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS REGARDING LAST MONTH.
THE CHALLENGES AROUND
IMPLEMENTATION, GIVEN THE LACK
OF STANDARD DEFINITIONS IN THIS
SPACE OF YOU. I THOUGHT ABOUT
THOSE COMMENTS AND THOUGHT ABOUT
WAYS IN WHICH THE BILL MIGHT BE
REFINED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE
CONCERNS. YEAH ARE THERE
SPECIFIC ISSUES? YOU'RE
REFERENCING THE BECAUSE WE'RE
CERTAINLY OPEN TO CONTINUE
ANALYSIS? I THINK SPECIFICALLY
NOTES. LET'S SEE. AH! LET'S SEE
THAT. THE LACK OF SPECIFIC
DEFINITIONS COULD CREATE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONFUSION OR
OTHER CASES WHERE CREDITS ARE
PROVIDED FOR EXPENSES THAT DO
NOT ACTUALLY IMPROVED FIRE
RESILIENCY. YEAH, WE'RE
CERTAINLY WILLING TO CONTINUE TO
WORK TO ALLEVIATE ANY CONFUSION
. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS ONE OF
THE MAIN ISSUES THAT THE
ANALYSIS RAISED WAS JUST THE
ISSUE AROUND THE END KI¾M CAP
WHY WE SAID IT IN $125,000. I
CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT
IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE
COMMITTEE. AH AS AS IT WAS
REFERENCED. A GOAL OF THIS BILL
IS TO HELP LOW AND MIDDLE CLASS
SENIORS PROTECT THEIR HOMES. IF
YOU LOOK AT THE INCOME TAX FOR
THE MIDDLE CLASS TAX REFUND THAT
THE STATE JUST IMPLEMENTED LAST
YEAR THAT WAS 100 AND $50,000.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT QUALIFIES AS
A MEDIUM, UH INDIVIDUAL AND
FAMILY INCOME IN MARIN COUNTY.
AS AN EXAMPLE FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING UNDER HOOD REGULATIONS
RIGHT NOW FAMILY OF FOUR LOW
INCOME IS $146,000. AND FOR AN
INDIVIDUAL, IT'S $100,000. SO WE
TRIED TO TARGET THIS, UM, TOWARD
I THINK WHAT WOULD HAVE A
MEANINGFUL IMPACT TOWARD MIDDLE
CLASS AND LOWER INCOME SENIORS
THAT HAVING BEEN SAID WE'RE
CERTAINLY OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS ON
A DIFFERENT NUMBER, SO TO SPEAK.
IF THAT'S THE COMMITTEE'S
PLEASURE, AS THIS CONTINUES TO
WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS. GREAT
SO, YES, THANKS FOR EXPLAINING
THE INCOME CAP. I THINK AND I
DON'T HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE
SUGGESTIONS. BUT I THINK THAT
THE BILL MIGHT BENEFIT FROM A
LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY IN
TERMS OF QUALIFYING EXPENDED
EXPENSES. OKAY JUST TO ENSURE
CLARITY. I THINK BOTH FOR
TAXPAYERS AS WELL AS FOR THE
STATE, UM AND HELP EVERYONE MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE WRITING NETWORK
, APPLYING THIS CREDIT TO THINGS
THAT ARE, IN FACT, BUILDING
FIRE, RESILIENCY AND
ACCOMPLISHED PUBLISHING THE GOAL
OF THE BILL AND THE SPONSORS.
ANYBODY ELSE? I KNOW I WOULD. I
MEAN, KIND OF, UM ADDING TO THAT
, IF YOU HAVE, UM, COMPLIANCE
REQUIREMENTS THIS WE SHOULD MAKE
SURE THAT THAT'S NOT NOT
SOMETHING THAT THE BILL IS GOING
TO SUBSIDIZE. WE SHOULDN'T BE
SUBSIDIZING COMPLIANCE. AND
OBVIOUSLY, AS WAS MENTIONED THE
BUDGET SITUATION IS, UH, NOT
GREAT THIS YEAR. THIS IS AN
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ISSUE. IT'S
UM I HOPE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT
A BUDGET REQUEST OR IF THERE'S
SOME ISSUES GOING FORWARD IF
THIS BILL IS HELD IN
APPROPRIATIONS, CERTAINLY A
GRANT PROGRAM PROGRAM. THE NEXT
TIME IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER
ALSO ALRIGHT, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK
YOU. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY
VOTE ALRIGHT AND THEN WITHOUT
OBJECTION, THIS BILL WILL BE
REFERRED TO OUR SUSPENSE FILE.
THANK YOU. EXCEPT IS FILE ITEM
THREE A B 14 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
DAVIES. WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.
GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS TODAY I'M HERE TO
PRESENT A B 14. I FIRST WANT TO
THANK COMMITTEE STAFF WERE
WORKING WITH MY STAFF AND
STAKEHOLDERS. ON THIS MEASURE. I
WILL BE BRIEF WITH MY COMMENTS.
MAYBE 14 IS A SIMPLE MEASURE
PROVIDING ADDITIONAL INCOME TAX
CREDIT TO HELP WORKING TAXPAYERS
AFFORD THE EXPENSE OF CHILDCARE.
THE BILL REDUCES STATE INCOME
TAX AN ADDITIONAL $500 FOR
TAXPAYERS THAT HAVE CHILDCARE
COSTS. CHILD CARE COSTS ARE
MAJOR EXPENSE FOR FAMILIES WITH
CALIFORNIA, RANKED THIRD IN THE
NATION FOR THE COST OF INFANT
CARE, THE AVERAGE COST OF INFANT
CARERS $1412 PER MONTH AND CARE
FOR A FOUR YEAR OLD IS EXPECTED
TO BE $956 PER MONTH IS THE
ANALYSIS CORRECTLY POINTS TO THE
MADAM CHAIR? THERE ARE ALREADY
EXISTING STATE AND FEDERAL
CREDITS GEARED TOWARDS
CHILDCARE. I WILL COMMIT TO
WORKING WITH COMMITTEE AS THE
BILL MOVES FORWARD TO ENSURE
THIS CREDIT DOES NOT INTERFERE
WITH EXISTING CREDIT OR CAN BE
AMENDED TO ENSURE WE EXPAND
ELIGIBILITY OPPORTUNITIES FOR
MORE CALIFORNIA'S TO HAVE ACCESS
TO THESE FUNDS. MAYBE 14TH IS
MEANT AS AN ACCESSORY PIECE TO
THOSE CREDITS TO ENSURE ALL
FAMILIES CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
STATE FUNDING TO HELP WITH
CHILDCARE. I THINK EVERYONE CAN
AGREE MORE HELP WE CAN GIVE TO
FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY DURING
RECORD INFLATION. WE HAVE SEEN
THE LAST FEW YEARS IT IS WORTH
THE CAUSE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN I VOTE WHEN THE
APPROPRIATE TIME COMES IN THE
FUTURE HEARINGS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ALL RIGHT. AND IS THIS
YOUR PRIMARY WITNESS? OKAY. DO
WE HAVE ANY WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT? ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. CORBYN ON THAT OF
THE CALIFORNIA TAX REFORM
ASSOCIATION. UNFORTUNATELY IN
OPPOSITION TO THE MEASURE, IT'S
WRITTEN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT ANY
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE?
AYE. I AM NOT SURE IF THIS WAS
IN THE ANALYSIS ALREADY, BUT
THIS WOULD BE LAYERING ON A
THIRD TAX CREDIT AFTER THE
FEDERAL AND THE STATE CREDIT UM
, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT JUST
EXPANDING THE EXISTING CREDIT?
OR COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME? WHY
WHY? THEY'RE WHY WE WOULD CREATE
ANOTHER COMPLETELY SEPARATE
PROGRAM. EXPAND ELIGIBILITY
CURRENTLY, DON'T WELL, WE WANT
TO DO IS BE ABLE TO EXPAND GEL A
BIT UNTIL IT'LL BE GOING IN
THERE TODAY. JUST BECAUSE OF
THESE OTHER PROGRAMS DON'T DO
THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN
SERVE ALL THOSE THAT NEED IT. SO
IS IT EXPANDING THE INCOME
THRESHOLD THEN? IS THAT WHAT YOU
YES, THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL.
OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE.
WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
AN I VOTE. THANK YOU, WITHOUT
OBJECTION. THIS BILL WILL BE
REFERRED TO OUR SUSPENSE FILE.
THANK YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY.
LET'S SEE. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY
SEEN. OKAY MS PETRIE-NORRIS. SO
THIS IS FILE ITEMS SIX.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PETRIE-NORRIS.
WHENEVER YOU ALREADY. THANK YOU
, MADAM CHAIR AND GOOD AFTERNOON
MEMBERS. I AM, UH PLEASE BE
PRESENTING A B 2 94, WHICH
PROPOSES A STATEWIDE
CONTINUATION OF SEVERAL ONE TIME
BILLS THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS
PASSED IN RECENT YEARS TO EXEMPT
CALIFORNIANS WHO RECEIVE A
SETTLEMENT RELATED TO A FIRE OR
OTHER NATURAL DISASTER. FROM
HAVING TO PAY TAX STATE TAX ON
THAT SETTLEMENT SETTLEMENT. WILD
FIRES AND OTHER NATURAL
DISASTERS SADLY CONTINUE TO BE A
TERRIBLE REALITY FOR OUR STATE
AND VICTIMS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO
PAY TAXES ON A SETTLEMENT THEY
RECEIVE WHEN THE INTENTION OF
THAT SETTLEMENT IS TO HELP THEM
REBUILD THEIR LIVES. I AM
GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMITTEE
STAFFS WORK ON THE BILL, AND, UM
WE DO INTEND TO AMEND THE BILL
TO ESTABLISH OUR FIVE YEAR
SUNSET. I'M NOW PLEASED TO BE
JOINED BY OUR WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. WE'RE JOINED BY KATRINA
FULLY ON BEHALF OF THE ORANGE
COUNTY FIRE AUTHORITY AND BY
RYAN SPENCER AS WELL. OKAY
SUPERVISOR FULLY. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. I'M
KATRINA FOLEY. I'M THE COUNTY
SUPERVISOR REPRESENTING DISTRICT
FIVE, WHICH A MAJORITY OF THE
DISTRICT I REPRESENT IS IN THE
SEVERE FIRE MITIGATION HAZARD
ZONE. I ALSO NOW SERVE ON THE
ORANGE COUNTY FIRE AUTHORITY AS
A DIRECTOR, AND JUST LAST WEEK I
WAS SELECTED AS THE CHAIR OF THE
LEDGE COMMITTEE LEGISLATION AND
PUBLIC AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.
HONORED TO BE HERE TODAY TO
EXPRESS THE ORANGE COUNTY FIRE
AUTHORITIES SUPPORT FOR A B 2 94
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CODY
PETRIE-NORRIS, UH, ORANGE COUNTY
, ESPECIALLY DISTRICT FIVE, IS
HOME TO SEVERAL WILDFIRES OVER
THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IN LAGUNA
BEACH, LAGUNA NIGUEL. SERIOUS
DAMAGE CAUSED AFTER GOING
THROUGH THE HORRIFIC EXPERIENCE
OF LOSING YOUR HOME AND YOUR
FAMILY BEING DISPLACED. UH THE
FIRST THE LAST THING THAT A
HOMEOWNER SHOULD HAVE TO ENDURE
IS THAT THEY CANNOT USE THE
FUNDS IN THE SETTLEMENT TO
REBUILD THEIR LIVES, UM, SO
WORRYING ABOUT PAYING THE TAX ON
THE SETTLEMENT FUNDS RECEIVED
FROM THE ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE WILDFIRE. IT PUTS THOSE
HOMEOWNERS AT A SEVERE
DETRIMENT. A B 2 94 EXEMPTS
SETTLEMENT AMOUNTS RECEIVED BY
WILDFIRE VICTIMS FROM GROSS
INCOME FOR PERSONAL AND
CORPORATE TAX PURPOSES AND DOING
SO ENSURES THAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT
OF THE SETTLEMENT FUNDS CAN HELP
VICTIMS REBUILD THEIR LIVES. FOR
THESE REASONS, THE ORANGE COUNTY
FIRE AUTHORITY SUPPORTS A B 2 94
AND WE ASKED FOR AN I VOTE AT
THE APPROPRIATE TIME. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR BRIAN
SPENCER, ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND
MY HOMETOWN COMMUNITY OF I GO.
OH, NO. IN LATE 2020 I GO ON. I
WAS DEVASTATED BY A LARGE
WILDFIRE KNOWN AS HIS ON FIRE
FIRE DESTROYED OVER 200
STRUCTURES, INCLUDING THE ONE
STORE IN THE TOWN AND ITS GRANGE
AND KILLED FOUR PEOPLE,
INCLUDING AN EIGHT YEAR OLD GIRL
AFTER DISASTER INVESTIGATION WAS
CONDUCTED TO FIND ITS SOURCE,
WHICH ULTIMATELY ENDED IN A
FINANCIAL SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE
VICTIMS OF THE FIRE AND PACIFIC
GAS AND ELECTRIC. THIS MONETARY
AWARD WAS A SMALL CONSOLATION.
GIVEN WHAT WAS LOST. IT WAS
INDEED SOMETHING TO HELP THESE
FAMILIES REBUILD, AND HE'LL HAVE
A RECENTLY THEY'RE NOTIFIED THAT
THE MONEY WHICH ONLY EXISTS
BECAUSE OF ALLEGED NEGLIGENCE
STARTED, THE FIRE WAS GOING TO
BE TAXED TAXED AS IF IT WAS A
SALARY BONUS, WHICH IS ABSURD.
AND I THINK THE HISTORY OF THIS
COMMITTEE SHOWS THAT I'M NOT
ALONE IN THIS THINKING. JUST
LAST YEAR, TWO BILLS WERE PASSED
AND EVENTUALLY SIGNED INTO LAW
THAT PROVIDED TAX EXEMPTION
RELIEF FOR VICTIMS OF PREVIOUS
WILDFIRES TO 12 49 IN SP 12 46.
THERE'S CURRENTLY ANOTHER BILL
MOVING IN THE SENATE SPECIFIC TO
THE DOG FIRE, AND UNFORTUNATELY
YOU'LL SEE LIKE WE SEE MORE AND
MORE BILLS IN THE YEARS TO COME
AS WILDFIRES. OTHER DISASTERS
ARE PRONE TO CONTINUE. 80 TO 94
WILL ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE
INDEPENDENT MEASURES AND JUST
PUT IN STATUTE ONCE AND FOR ALL
WE ALL KNOW IS RIGHT. THESE
SETTLEMENTS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE
REVENUE GENERATORS. THEY'RE
MEANT TO HELP VICTIMS RECOVER
AND MOVE FORWARD. I'D LIKE TO
PERSONALLY THANK THE ASSEMBLY
WOMAN FOR TAKING THIS ON WHEN
THE TIME COMES TO VOTE FOR 89 TO
94. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. RIGHT. THANK YOU. DO
WE HAVE ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
SPENT THE KORAN WITH THE
CALIFORNIA TAX REFORM
ASSOCIATION. THIS ISSUE IS A
LITTLE BIT OF A TWEENER FOR US
IN THE PAST, WE'VE GENERALLY NOT
TAKEN POSITIONS AT LEAST IN
RECENT YEARS AND APPRECIATE THE
AUTHOR'S INTENT TO TAKE A SUNSET
AMENDMENT. WE DO STILL HAVE
CONCERNS ABOUT THE BREADTH OF
THE PROPOSAL AT THIS TIME, AND
SO I BELIEVE, WILL PROBABLY
STILL REMAIN IN OPPOSITION. BUT
HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION
ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
, MR CORBYN. IT DOES STRIKE ME
THAT, UH WE ARE CONSTANTLY GOING
THROUGH THIS WITH THE FIRES WE
HAVE, AND I THINK AT AT A
CERTAIN POINT, WE MIGHT NEED TO
CONSIDER THAT. UH WE SHOULDN'T
HAVE LEGISLATOR COMING UP
INDIVIDUALLY FOR EVERY FIRE. I
THINK THAT THE COMMITTEE IS
GOING TO YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAINLY
GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS
MOVES THROUGH AND IT SEEMS, YOU
KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES
IN APPROPRIATIONS FOR THIS
EITHER. SO IT SEEMS A LITTLE
SILLY TO HAVE TO COME EVERY TIME
WHEN THESE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR
LIVES DEVASTATED. SO ARE THERE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? ALL
RIGHT. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME
INTERNET IN THE ANALYSIS. IT
DOES MENTION A FEW THINGS. UH
THAT'S UH, SOME CONSIDERATIONS
THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. YES,
RIGHT. CERTAINLY DO THAT. AND
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS,
MADAM CHAIR AND WE'RE JUST
RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR AN I VOTE
AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. ALRIGHT
SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, THIS BILL
WILL BE REFERRED TO OUR SUSPENSE
FILE. THANK YOU, MARY. THANKS
VERY MUCH. WE HAVE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PHªN. YUP. AND
THAT IS, UH, FILE ITEM FIVE OR
NINE. WHENEVER YOU ARE READY.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO
THANK THE CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR WORKING WITH ME ON
THIS CRITICAL ISSUE WILL
CONTINUE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF
HAD SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS. THERE
ARE 3.8 MILLION CALIFORNIANS
WITH STUDENT LOAN DEBT, WHICH IS
NEARLY 10% OF THE STATE, AND WE
ALL KNOW THAT STUDENT LOAN DEBT
IS ON THE RISE, OFTEN AND
STUDENT LOAN DEBT BELIEVES LESS
MONEY IN THE POCKETS OF
CALIFORNIANS HAVE PURSUED HIGHER
EDUCATION AND SO OFTEN PRECLUDES
BORROWERS FROM CONTRIBUTING TO
PERSONAL SAVINGS AND RETIREMENT
PLANS AND BUYING A HOME. MANY
EMPLOYERS RANGING FROM THE
HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY TO SMALL
BUSINESSES CONTRIBUTE TO
EMPLOYEES. STUDENT LOAN
REPAYMENTS TO HELP EASE THIS
GROWING BURDEN THIS BENEFIT ALSO
AND ASSIST EMPLOYERS TO RECRUIT
AND RETAIN TOP TALENT FOR THEIR
BUSINESSES. CONGRESS PASSED THE
CARES ACT. IT ALLOWED EMPLOYEES
TO EXCLUDE UP TO $5250 PER YEAR
AND EMPLOYER STUDENT LOAN
REPAYMENTS FROM THEIR FEDERAL
INCOME CALIFORNIANS STUDENT LOAN
ASSISTANCE FROM AN EMPLOYER IS
EXEMPT FROM FEDERAL INCOME BUT
NOT EXEMPT FROM STATE INCOME.
CALIFORNIA IS NOT IN CONFORMITY
WITH HIS FEDERAL LAW, WHILE
CURRENT LAW STATES WHILE CURRENT
STATE LAW ALREADY ALLOWS A TEXT
INSTEAD OF UP TO $5250 IN
EDUCATION ASSISTANCE FOR AN
EMPLOYER THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE
STUDENT LOAN REPAYMENT
ASSISTANCE. CALIFORNIA HAS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DELIVER
MEANINGFUL STUDENT LOAN DEBT
REDUCTION THROUGH EMPLOYERS.
THIS WILL HELP EMPLOYERS LIKE
HOSPITALS, MENTAL HEALTH
FACILITIES, CLINICS ATTRACT AND
RETAIN NEEDED WORKERS TO PROVIDE
CRITICAL SERVICES AND
UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES BY
EXEMPTING EMPLOYERS STUDENT LOAN
ASSISTANCE FROM AN EMPLOYEE'S
TAXABLE STATE INCOME. 85 09 WILL
BOOST THE ECONOMY, INCREASED
CONSUMER SPENDING AND HELP MORE
CALIFORNIANS PLAN FOR THEIR
FINANCIAL FUTURE EITHER
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR I VOTE AND
I'M JOINED BY THE CALIFORNIA
STATE COUNCIL OF SOCIETY FOR
HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AND
SUPPORT GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK
YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS. MY NAME
IS TRICIA ZULICK. I'M FROM SAN
DIEGO, CALIFORNIA ON A CERTIFIED
HR PROFESSIONAL. AND I'M HERE TO
TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE IMPACT
WHAT I SEE WHEN IT COMES TO
ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF
EMPLOYEES WHEN IT COMES TO
STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS, I WHAT
I FEEL AND HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT
SIT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND
INTERVIEW WITH ME IS I NEED
SOMETHING. I WANT TO WORK IN MY
PASSION VERSUS GOING SOMEPLACE
ELSE AND QUIETLY QUITTING IF WE
COULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS,
WHERE IT FORGIVES THE PERSONAL
INCOME TAX ON THIS IT WOULD
GREATLY IMPACT THEIR LIVES LIKE
LIKE ASSEMBLY, LONG SAID. FONG
SAID. THEY'RE NOT SAVING MONEY
FOR THEMSELVES. THEY'RE NOT
BUYING HOMES. THEY'RE NOT TAKING
THE NEXT STEP. THEY'RE JUST
DEALING WITH THE DEBT THAT THEY
HAVE. I THINK THIS BILL, MAYBE
FIVE OR NINE WILL HELP AND I
ASKED FOR AN I VOTE. VERY GOOD.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. PRESTON YOUNG FROM
THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE HERE IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. THE CORPORATE WITH
THE CALIFORNIA TAX REFORM
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CORBYN.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE.
MR SEABURG. I JUST HAVE A
QUESTION. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HOW
SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS
WOULD BE IF AN EMPLOYER HAS SOME
KIND OF PROGRAM THAT WOULD SORT
OF PAY OFF STUDENT LOAN DEBT,
WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS A REALLY GOOD
THING. UM BUT HAVE WE ANALYZED?
HOW ONE HOW MUCH THIS WOULD COST
AND SECOND UM SORT OF WHAT THE
INCOME LEVELS ARE FOR FAMILIES
THAT WOULD HAVE THIS DEBT
FORGIVEN. UM YOU KNOW THE THING
THAT I YOU KNOW, AS WE SORT OF
MOVE INTO SORT OF A REALLY TOUGH
BUDGET PERIOD. THE THING THAT I
GET CONCERNED ABOUT AND SOME OF
THE CONCERNS I HAD IN SOME OF
THE OTHER BILLS THAT WE YOU KNOW
THIS MORNING IS THAT WE'VE GOT
TO MAKE SOME REALLY TOUGH
CHOICES AND BECAUSE THEY DON'T
SEEM TO BE SORT OF MEANS TEST ON
ANY OF THIS STUFF WE COULD HAVE
YOU KNOW, UM I DON'T SORT OF SEE
A LOT OF TEACHERS, A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT WORK IN FAST FOOD
PLACES WITH PROGRAMS ON STUDENT
LOAN FORGIVENESS TENDS TO BE
FOLKS THAT ARE IN FAIRLY
AFFLUENT PROFESSIONS THAT HAVE
THESE KINDS OF PROGRAMS. SO I'M
JUST WONDERING IF YOU SORT OF
HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT HOW
THIS WOULD BREAK DOWN IN TERMS
OF WHO BENEFITS AND INCOME
LEVELS OF THE RECIPIENTS. WAS
CERTAINLY STUDENT LOAN DEBT
ASSISTANCE IS SOMETHING THAT
WE'RE GRAPPLING WITHIN THE
BUDGET AND THE GOVERNOR HAS A
PROPOSAL AS WELL. CERTAINLY YOU
KNOW, BUDGET REFLECTOR REGISTER
REFLECT OUR PRIORITIES. AND IF
THIS IS A PRIORITY, THEN WE NEED
TO INVEST THOSE RESOURCES. WE
ARE WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE
ON THAT TYPE OF FISCAL ANALYSIS,
BUT THIS BILL DOES NOT PREVENT
LOW INCOME CALIFORNIANS FROM
BENEFITING FROM IT, BUT IT DOES
. IT DOES EXCLUDE HIGH INCOME
EARNERS AS SOON AS THE REPAYMENT
PROGRAM CAN BE OFFERED. IF IT IS
FOUND BY THE FRANCHISE TAX BOARD
TO NOT BE DISCRIMINATORY IN
FAVOR OF EMPLOYEES WHO ARE
HIGHLY COMPENSATED. SO THERE IS
EXISTING STATE LAW ON THAT NOW,
AND THAT'S DEFINED BY AN
EMPLOYEE ONLY, BUT MORE THAN 5%
OF THE COMPANY OR RECEIVES MORE
THAN 100 $50,000 IN COMPENSATION
, INCLUSIVE OF SALARY, BONUSES
AND OTHER BENEFITS. THIS
REQUIREMENT IS ALSO THE SAME
UNDER CURRENT LAW FOR
EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANCE. AND
WOULD REMAIN THE SAME UNDER THIS
BILL. IN 2016. WE LOOKED AT THE
NUMBERS THE AVERAGE INCOME OF
THOSE WHO USED SECTION 1 27
BENEFITS WAS, 59,517 SAYS $473
OVER ABOVE THE NATION'S EVERY
ANNUAL WAGE FOR FULL TIME YEAR
ROUND EMPLOYEES DURING THAT TIME
, UM SO, THEREFORE A STUDENT
LOAN REPAYMENT PROGRAM LIKE THIS
WOULD EXCLUDE ABOUT 10% OF
INCOME OTHERS IN CALIFORNIA. BY
COMPARISON, THE FAMILY INCOME
AND ASSETS CEILING FOR THE
MIDDLE CLASS SCHOLARSHIP, WHICH
PROVIDES SCHOLARSHIPS TO ATTEND
A èC AS HE S U OR A COMMUNITY
COLLEGE IS $217,000 FOR
DEPENDENT STUDENTS UNDER THIS
PROGRAM. THE AVERAGE AWARD, UM
IS APPROXIMATELY $2000 A YEAR
FOR OVER TWO YEARS, SO WE'RE
TRYING TO CONFORM ONLY WITH
FEDERAL LAW, BUT THE EXISTING
PROGRAMS THAT EXIST FOR STUDENTS
SYSTEMS. YEAH, I GET JUST ONE
FOLLOW UP. JUST. JUST LIKE TO
SEE MORE INFORMATION ON IT. BUT
YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE DOING SORT
OF STUDENT. LOAN TAX RELIEF, AND
WE SORT OF DOING IT THROUGH THE
BUDGET IN THE STATE PROGRAM. WE
CAN ESTIMATE SORT OF WHO'S
BENEFITING. THIS IS SOMETHING
WHERE THE BENEFITS ARE
DETERMINED BY THE EMPLOYERS. AND
IF EMPLOYERS, YOU KNOW IF THESE
KINDS OF PROGRAMS ARE WEIGHTED
IN FAVOR OF SORT OF MORE
AFFLUENT FOLKS THAN WE YOU KNOW,
I WORRY THAT WE'RE IN ABUSING
BUDGET RESOURCES, UM, IN WAYS
THAT ARE THE MOST HELPFUL FOR
VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES THAT THE
CONCERN I HAVE, AND I WANT TO
LET MY WITNESS ALSO COMMENT AS
WELL. I JUST WANT TO SAY AS AN
HR PROFESSIONAL HERE IN
CALIFORNIA WHEN YOU SAY THE
SERVICE INDUSTRY OR FASTER
RESTAURANTS, BUT THEY CAN USE IT
AS A TOOL TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN
. WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS HIRING
IN THE STATE AND RETAINING GOOD
PEOPLE, AND THIS COULD BE A TOOL
THAT WE HR PROFESSIONALS CAN
DEPLOY TO HELP IN THOSE
INDUSTRIES. I THINK THE
OPPORTUNITY NEEDS TO BE THERE TO
BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT AS A TOOL.
AND SO I AGREE. SECTION 1 27
GIVES US SOME OF THE STATS THAT
WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT I THINK
WE DON'T WANT OUR HANDS HELD TO
NOT BE ABLE TO USE IT AS A TOOL
AT ANY TYPE OF INDUSTRY AND THEY
WERE IN INSTEAD, AND WE
CERTAINLY WOULDN'T PRECLUDE ANY
OF THOSE INDUSTRIES TO TAKE PART
IN THIS. I MEAN THOSE
INDIVIDUALS OR THOSE BUSINESSES
THAT DO EMPLOY WHETHER IT'S IN
THE FAST FOOD SPACE OR THE
RETAIL SPACE. WE OBVIOUSLY WANT
THEM TO BE ABLE TO OFFER TOO
LITTLE REPAYMENT PROGRAMS TO
THEIR EMPLOYEES AS WELL. SO WE
DON'T EXCLUDE ANYONE IN THE LOW
INCOME SPACE WE HAVE CERTAINLY
BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING LAWS
EXCLUDE THOSE WHO ARE ON THE
INSIDE. AND I DON'T. I'M NOT
SAYING THAT YOU'RE EXCLUDING
THAT. THAT'S NOT THE CONCERN OF
IT. I THINK THE CONCERN I HAVE
IS WHAT IS THE ACTUAL EFFECT OF
THESE PROGRAMS WHEN THE PROGRAMS
THAT COME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF
THIS ARE THEY GOING TO BE, YOU
KNOW? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF
THERE IS THAT EXISTING SORT OF.
WHERE ARE THESE PROGRAMS?
CURRENTLY IN PLACE AND SORT OF
AT WHAT INCOME LEVELS. ARE THEY
? ARE THEY IN PLACE AT AND THAT
THAT'S THAT WOULD JUST BE
HELPFUL FOR ME HAPPILY WORK WITH
THE CHAIR AND YOU AS WELL TO
FINE TUNE THOSE THOSE I MEAN
WORKFORCE SHORTAGES ARE ARE
EVERYWHERE, AND SO WE'RE TRYING
TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF
ASSISTANCE TO THE EMPLOYER SIDE
TO PROVIDE THAT ASSISTANCE.
RIGHT ONE QUESTION. CAN YOU
EXPLAIN YOUR RATIONALE, BUT BY
UH, BEHIND AUTHORIZING THE
SPILLS EXCLUSION FOR 10 YEARS?
WHAT RATHER THAN CONFORMING WITH
THE FEDERAL STANDARD? WE'RE
HAPPY TO CONFORM WITH THE
FEDERAL STANDARD. THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO
WORK WITH THE COMMITTEE ON AS
WELL. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. UM WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE MR FONG? WHEN
THE TIME IS APPROPRIATE? WE'D
LOVE TO HAVE THIS MOVE BUILDING
FORWARD. ALRIGHT WITHOUT
OBJECTION. THIS BILL WILL BE
REFERRED TO OUR EXPERT SUSPENSE
FILE. AND OUR LAST BILL UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR FONG,
OUR LAST BILL UP IS A B 778
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S 12. THANK YOU,
MADAM. STRAIN OR MEMBERS. I'M
HERE FOR A B 17 78. AH MAYBE 70
78 WOULD EXAMS START UP A SMALL
BUSINESSES FROM THE MINIMUM 800
YARDS. DOLLAR'S TAX INTO THE
BUSINESS HAD PASSED FOR US. WE
SEE THE $20,000 IN A SINGLE A
TAXABLE YEAR FOR MANY
CALIFORNIANS, STARTING A SMALL
BUSINESS IN THE BEST PART TO
ACHIEVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.
FOR MANY IMMIGRANTS AND UNDER
UNDER SER, CALIFORNIA, STARTING
A SMALL BUSINESS IS ONLY VIABLE.
PART. TWO REACHING THE MIDDLE
CLASS. THE $800 MINIMUM ATTACKED
A STRONG ENDURANCE TO START A
SMALL BUSINESS, AND FOR MANY, IT
IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
SUCCESS OR VALUE OR EVEN TRYING
AT ALL. WE CANNOT LEAVE PEOPLE,
OUR POLITICS AND OUR POLICIES
ARE SYSTEMATICALLY. KEEPING THEM
THERE, SO MAYBE 77 WOULD ALLOW
NEW BUSINESS TO BECOME VIABLE
AND ULTIMATELY PAY A LOT MORE IN
TAXES. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THIS
BILL WILL REMOVE POLICY THAT
CONTINUE TO KEEPING VULNERABLE
CALIFORNIA STUCK IN A CYCLE OF
POVERTY TO ASK WHAT YOUR RIVAL
WHEN THE TIME COMES TO SUPPORT
THESE IMPORTANT VIEW. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TODD. DUDE DO
YOU HAVE ANY WITNESSES? I DON'T
HAVE ANY ANY WITNESSES NOW. ALL
RIGHT. SO, UH OTHER WITNESSES IN
THE ROOM AND SUPPORT I SEE THE
CHAMBER WALKING UP. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. PRESTON YOUNG
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
HERE IN SUPPORT. WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. THE CORPORATE WITH
THE CALIFORNIA TAX REFORM
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION.
ALRIGHT THANK YOU QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE. R
RIGHT, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE WOULD LIKE TO
ASK FOR THE ARRIVAL WHEN IT WHEN
THE TIME COME, ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU SO MUCH AND WITHOUT
OBJECTION THIS BILL WILL BE
REFERRED TO OUR SUSPENSE FILE,
BUT I THINK EVERYBODY HAS VOTED
EXCEPT FOR ASSEMBLY MEMBER UBER
ON ITEM NUMBER 1559. SUBURB.
SABARA I ALRIGHT? LIKE TO THANK
ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR
BEING HERE RIGHT ON TIME. AND
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.