GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSEMBLY PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE. UM, WE'RE
GOING TO BEGIN AS A SUBCOMMITTEE
UNTIL THE UNTIL WE GET TO A
QUORUM. FIRST LIKE TO READ ALL
WITNESSES, ALL WITNESS TESTIMONY
WILL BE IN PERSON. THERE WILL BE
NO PHONE TESTIMONY UPON OPTION
FOR THIS HEARING. YOU CAN FIND
MORE INFORMATION AT W W DOT
ASSEMBLY DOT C. A G O B
BACKSLASH COMMITTEES, UM, WE'LL
BEGIN TO SUBCOMMITTEE FIRST UP.
YES. OH, SORRY. HAVE SOME
HOUSEKEEPING. VERY IMPORTANT.
HOUSEKEEPING. UM CALENDAR. UM.
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ITEM NUMBER THREE A B 5 TO 3,
VINCE FALLEN, PULLED BY THE
AUTHOR. ITEM NUMBER FOUR A B 667
MAIENSCHEIN PULLED BY THE
AUTHOR. I DON'T NUMBER FIVE A B
695 PACHECO PULLED BY COMMITTEE.
ITEM NUMBER 13 ABC, 763 DAVIES
PULLED BY THE AUTHOR ITEM NUMBER
16 A B A. 08 MATHIS PULLED BY
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B 977 RODRIGUEZ PULLED BY THE
AUTHOR ITEM 29 A B 10 47
MAIENSCHEIN PULLED BY THE
AUTHOR. AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR
I BELIEVE I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES.
MR SERGEANT NEED TO KNOW WHO'S
FIRST UP.
GO AHEAD. FIRST ON HERE. I HAVE
MR EVAN LOW A B 10 64.
ITEM NUMBER 30 ALONE. YEAH THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS UNDERSTAND
THAT THIS BILL DOES ENJOY DO
PASS RECOMMENDATION ON BOTH
SIDES OF THE AISLE AND YOU'LL
LET ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT
AND SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS
BILL. THIS IS ASSEMBLY BILL 10
64, WHICH DEFINES BIAS AGAINST
WITHIN HATE CRIMES AND
ADDRESSES. THE SELECTIVE
DISCRIMINATORY TARGETING OF
VICTIMS. SPECIFICALLY THIS BILL
SEEKS TO ALLOW THE CHARGE OF A
HATE CRIME TO BE SIMPLY BE
BROUGHT BEFORE A JURY AND THE
JURY WILL THEN BE ABLE TO DECIDE
WITH THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED. IF
THE DEFENDANT IS GUILTY OF A
HATE CRIME. THIS HAS BEEN AN
ISSUE THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT HAS
BEEN PERVASIVE IN A NUMBER OF
AREAS IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. THIS IS ALSO A API
LEGISLATIVE CAUCUS PRIORITY WITH
RESPECT TO HATE CRIMES AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR I VOTE WHEN
YOU HAVE A STEPS OF QUORUM WITH
ME TODAY IN SUPPORT AS J. BARSKY
CHIEF ASSISTANT DISTRICT
ATTORNEY FOR THE COUNTY OF SANTA
CLARA, THIS JOURNEY, JEFF
ROSEN'S OFFICE AS WELL AS
CHARLES YOUNG, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE CALIFORNIA ASIAN
AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION. YOU
HAVE FIVE MINUTES TOTAL,
WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO SPLIT
IT UP. YEAH. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
GOOD MORNING. UM CHAIRMAN. IT'S
WONDERFUL TO BE IN FRONT OF YOUR
COMMITTEE AGAIN. JEFF ROSEN
SENDS HIS REGRETS. IT'S MY GOOD
FORTUNE THAT I GET TO BE HERE.
HE'S IN ISRAEL THIS WEEK, BUT HE
SENDS HIS REGARDS TO YOU. I
SAID, HI, I WILL DO SO. IT IS A
PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE, ALONG WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S LOW IN SUPPORT
OF THIS, UM, SMALL BUT IT BUT
VERY NEEDED AND SIGNIFICANT
PIECE OF LEGISLATION, WHICH WILL
ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO GIVE
MEETING TO THE HATE CRIME
STATUTES, WHICH THIS LEGISLATURE
HAS SO CONTINUOUSLY SUPPORTED
OVER THE YEARS, THE ISSUE AS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S LOW SPOKE ABOUT
IS WHEN WE HAVE A PERPETRATOR
TARGETING VICTIMS FOR HATE
CRIMES. EXCLUSIVELY BECAUSE THEY
ARE MEMBERS OF A PROTECTED RACE,
GENDER, RELIGION, ETHNICITY AND
I NOTE WHAT I KNOW THE CHAIRMAN
NOSES WHO CAN CREATE WHO CAN
COMMIT A HATE CRIME. ANYONE IS
CAPABLE WHO CAN BE THE VICTIM OF
A HATE CRIME? ANYONE CAN BE THE
VICTIM OF A HATE CRIME. IN
PROSECUTING HATE CRIMES, WHICH
I'VE DONE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS
NOW IN JEFF ROSEN'S DÍAS OFFICE
, WE OCCASIONALLY RUN INTO SOME
OBSTACLES WITH JURY INSTRUCTIONS
OR CERTAIN ELEMENTS. WE'VE SEEN
AN EPIDEMIC OF THE ANTI ÁP. I
HATE CRIME IN RECENT YEARS WHERE
SOME OF THE PERPETRATORS WILL
ONLY TARGET. SEVERAL DIFFERENT
MEMBERS, ALL ASIAN, BUT THEY MAY
NOT YELL OUT. RACIAL SLUR. THEY
MAY NOT SAY ANY OTHER HATEFUL
THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM
SOME OF OUR OTHER LEADERS,
SAYING, AND WITHOUT THAT
EXPLICIT EVIDENCE, SOME
PROSECUTORS ARE HESITANT TO
BRING THE HATE CRIME FORWARD,
EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE ONLY
TARGETED 10, CHINESE PEOPLE OR
15, SOUTH ASIAN GRANDMOTHERS
WEARING SARIS. WHAT WHAT THIS
BILL ATTEMPTS TO DO IS JUST TO
MAKE CLEAR. FOR THE JUDICIARY
THAT IF SOMEONE SELECTIVELY
TARGETS A GROUP OF PEOPLE
BECAUSE OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN A
PROTECTED CLASS. THAT SHOULD BE
ABLE TO BE CONSIDERED A CRIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
CHAIR JONES, SAWYER AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE APPRECIATE THE
WORK THAT YOU VERY MUCH MY NAME
IS CHARLES YANG I'M THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
CALIFORNIA AGENT PACIFIC
AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION. WE
REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF 23
SISTER BAR ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS
THE STATE AND CALIFORNIA'S FOR
ROUGHLY 14,000 ÁP, A ATTORNEYS.
UM LAST THURSDAY, I HAD THE
PRIVILEGE OF ORGANIZING A THAT
SECOND ANNIVERSARY COMMEMORATION
OF THE ATLANTA SPA SHOOTINGS,
AND THERE WE HEARD FOR THE FIRST
TIME FROM THE FATHER OF MICHELLE
, GO, WHO WAS THE YOUNG WOMAN IN
NEW YORK CITY WHO WAS AH,
TARGETED PUSHED OFF THE TRAIN
PLATFORM AND INTO THE PATH OF AN
ONCOMING TRAIN. ONE OF OUR
SPEAKERS IN OUR ATLANTA EVENT
WAS ROBERT PETERSON. ROBERT
PETERSON IS THE PROUD, UH THE
YOUNGER SON OF A KOREAN MOTHER
AND A AFRICAN AMERICAN VETERAN,
AND HIS MOTHER WAS YOU YOUNG,
ONE OF THE EIGHT VICTIMS OF THE
ATLANTA SPA SHOOTING. WITH THIS
MEASURE DOES IS IT, UH IT
CLARIFIES EXISTING LAW MAKING
THE DEFINITION OF HATE CRIMES
CONSISTENT WITH HOW IT'S
INTERPRETED IN THE COURTS AS IT
IS, AND IN ADDITION, IT MAKES
CLEAR THAT DISCRIMINATORY
SELECTION OF VICTIMS ALSO
QUALIFIES UNDER THE STATUTE. UM
BUT MANY OF US HAVE HEARD OF THE
ATLANTIS SPA SHOOTINGS, BUT ONE
THING THAT'S NOT WELL KNOWN. IS
THAT ROBERT LONG HAD TO TRAVEL.
OVER 27 MILES BETWEEN THE SITE
OF THE FIRST SHOOTING TO THE
SECOND SHOOTING FROM AN
UNINCORPORATED AREA OF CHEROKEE
COUNTY IN GEORGIA TO THE TWO
REGION IN ATLANTA. I REMEMBER
VERY CLEARLY WHEN I TURN ON THE
NEWS AND HEARD UM, A SHERIFF'S
DEPUTY, UH, GRABBED THE MIC AND
, UH AND SAY, MAKE EXCUSES FOR
ROBERT LONG SAYING THAT HE WAS
HAVING A BAD DAY AND SUGGESTING
THAT HE HAD A SEX ADDICTION AND
BECAUSE THIS WAS A SEX ADDICTION
, THAT IMPLICITLY THAT THIS WAS
NOT HATE CRIME. ROBERT LONG
TRAVEL THOSE 27 MILES AND HE'S
SELECTIVELY TARGETED THREE
ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WERE OWNED
AND EMPLOYED BY ASIAN AMERICAN
WORKERS, ASIAN AMERICAN WOMEN
AND ALONG THE WAY ALONG THIS 27
MILES HE PASSED BY STRIP CLUBS,
OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS. THAT THAT
WE'RE NOT OWNED BY ASIAN
AMERICANS. AND SO WHEN LAST
THING THAT I'LL SAY IS IN
ORGANIZING THESE EVENTS IN SAN
FRANCISCO AND AROUND THE
COUNTRY, ONE THING I HEAR
PERSISTENTLY IS FRUSTRATION FROM
THE ASIAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
WHY WHEN ASIAN AMERICANS ARE
DISCRIMINATORY LEE SELECTED FOR
CRIMES? WHY IS THAT? NOT ALSO
CLASSIFIED AS A HATE CRIME, AND
THAT'S WHAT A B 1064 ADDRESSES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO ALLOW US
, MR LOWE, WE I THINK WE HAVE
ENOUGH TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM AND
THEN WE'LL DO THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. AND THEN I'LL CALL FOR
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT THAT WAY
WE CAN GET DISPENSED WITH IT. SO
COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE? OF
COURSE. JOHN SAWYER. HERE KNEES
. TO HERE, BRIAN LACKEY, ORTEGA
SANTIAGO. ZIPPER. REQUIREMENTS
PRESENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR
. WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, A
B. 697 DAVIES. DRUG COURT
SUCCESS INCENTIVE PILOT PROGRAM
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT A. B 7 TO 4.
VINCE FOUND FIREARMS SAFETY
CERTIFICATE, INSTRUCTIONAL
MATERIALS ITEM NUMBER 11 A B
751. BROUGH ELDER ABUSE. I
REMEMBER 24 89 43 CHOLERA.
CORRECTIONS POPULATION DATA ITEM
NUMBER 28. MAYBE 997 GIBSON.
EXAM AERATION, UH, MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES. I DON'T NUMBER 31 A D
10 80 TOP CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REALIGNMENT. WELL I DON'T NEED A
MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. CALLED THE WORLD AND
THE CONSENT CALENDAR. JOHN
SAWYER. JOHN SAWYER, I ALANIS
BANTA I BRIAN, BRIAN, I LACKEY
LACKEY. I ORTEGA ORTEGA EYES
SANTIAGO. ZABAR. ZABAR? AYE.
TALENTS ADOPTED NOW RETURNED
FOR, UM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE
IN FAVOR OF A B 10 64 LOW. UM
YOU CAN COME TO THE MICROPHONE,
NAME AND ORGANIZATION, PLEASE.
YEAH YEAH, RECORDS YOU'RE
REPRESENTING THE ARK AND UNITED
CEREBRAL PALSY CALIFORNIA
COLLABORATION AND WE SUPPORT THE
BILL. ERIC HARRIS WITH
DISABILITY RIGHTS, CALIFORNIA
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. CATALINA
ZAMBRANO, SOMEONE FAMILIAR BY
CENTRAL IN SUPPORT. AND STONE
STONE ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, SIMONA RAISE
CENTRAL CALIFORNIA. LGBT COULD
COLLABORATIVE AND SUPPORTIVE.
CHRISTOPH MAYER, AMERICAN
FEDERATION OF STATE, COUNTY AND
MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES AND SUPPORT
THANK THANK YOU. NOW THERE ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION HE
WOULD NEVER IN OPPOSITION. AYE.
THANK YOU FIVE MINUTES. THANK
YOU. IS THIS ONE IS CLOSER TO
THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU OKAY?
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. MY NAME
IS ALICE. MICHAEL AND I AM HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION.
I'VE BEEN A PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR
25 YEARS. WE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS
BILL. I WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR
AT THE OUTSET THAT WE ARE NOT
OPPOSED TO THIS BILL BECAUSE WE
ARE NOT UM, BECAUSE WE ARE
OPPOSED TO LEGISLATION AGAINST
HATE CRIMES. OBVIOUSLY UM, OUR
MEMBERS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
HATE CRIMES. WE HAVE MANY
MEMBERS WHO ARE PARTS OF
PROTECTED CLASSES. WE ARE ALSO
VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HATE CRIMES
AGAINST THE A P. I COMMUNITY AND
THE PROLIFERATION OF THOSE
CRIMES AT THIS TIME. ARE
CONCERNED WITH THIS BILL IS
SIMPLY THAT THE LANGUAGE
DEFINING BIAS. MOTIVATION WE
BELIEVE IS INCREDIBLY OVERBROAD.
THIS BILL I BELIEVE WAS
INTENDED. Tð. TARGET PEOPLE WHO
COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST PROTECTED
CLASSES EXCLUSIVELY BECAUSE OF
THEIR MEMBERSHIP OF THAT
PROTECTED CLASS. AND WE SUPPORT
THAT IDEA, HOWEVER, THE WAY THAT
THE LANGUAGE IN THE STATUTE IS
WORDED IT WOULDN'T CLUED MANY
CRIMES. WERE THE MOTIVATION IS
NOT THAT THE PERSON IS A MEMBER
OF A PROTECTED CLASS, AND I
TALKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE
DEFINITION CONTAINED WITHIN
ABOUT BIAS MOTIVATION. SO AN
EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD BE A BIAS
MOTIVATION IS PICKING A VICTIM
BECAUSE BASED ON THE PERCEPTION
THAT THAT VICTIM IS VULNERABLE
BECAUSE THEY ARE WEAK. THE
REALITY IS MANY VICTIMS OF.
VIOLENCE OR THEFT CRIMES ARE
PICKED BECAUSE OF VULNERABILITY.
THIS BILL COULD AS WRITTEN COULD
INCLUDE ANY CRIME AGAINST A
WOMAN. IF IT'S ARGUABLE. THAT
SHE WAS TARGETED BECAUSE SHE WAS
PERCEIVED AS BEING PART OF THE
WEAKER SEX, INCLUDING A PERSON
NATURAL SNATCHING OR A BUSINESS
ROBBERY, WHERE THE PERSON
FOCUSES ON THE FEMALE EMPLOYEE.
IT ALSO COULD INCLUDE ANY CRIME
AGAINST AN ELDERLY PERSON WHO IS
DISABLED BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE.
PICKPOCKETED. A THEFT OF THEIR
PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE LESS
ABLE TO BE ABLE TO CHASE OR
FIGHT BACK. WITH THE PERSON
COMMITTING THE CRIME. FRAUD
CRIMES AGAINST ELDERLY PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW ANOTHER MOTIVATION.
THAT IT INCLUDES AS CONSTITUTING
A HATE CRIME IS IF THE
MOTIVATION IS THRILL SEEKING
WATCHING COULD INCLUDES A YOUNG
PERSON WHO TAKES A CAR FROM A
MEMBER OF A PROTECTED CLASS TO
JOYRIDE. SOMEONE WHO PUTS
GRAFFITI. ON A BUSINESS.
REGARDLESS OF THE CONTENT THAT'S
OWNED BY A MEMBER OF THE
PROTECTED CLASS. SOMEBODY WHO
RECKLESSLY DRIVES AND INJURES
SOMEBODY WHO'S PART OF A
PROTECTED CLASS. THESE ARE NOT
CRIMES THAT WOULD BE MOTIVATED
BECAUSE. EXCLUSIVELY BECAUSE THE
PERSON IS PART OF A PROTECTED
CLASS. BUT UNDER THIS BILL, THEY
WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PROSECUTED
AS HATE CRIMES. ANOTHER OF THE
MOTIVATIONS, INCLUDING IN THE
BILL, AS A MOTIVATOR IS A PERSON
IF THEY'RE MOTIVATED BY A DESIRE
FOR SOCIAL BONDING. THIS COULD
BE END UP BEING USED AGAINST
EVERY GANG MEMBER. WHO COMMITS A
CRIME AGAINST A DIFFERENT GANG.
ONE OF THE MEMBERS ARE OF A
DIFFERENT ETHNICITY. AGAIN. WE
SUPPORT THE IDEA. OF DEFINING
HATE CRIMES FOR THOSE CRIMES IN
WHICH THE VICTIM IS CHOSEN
EXCLUSIVELY. BECAUSE THEY'RE A
MEMBER OF A PROTECTED CLASS. BUT
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS BILL. IS
OVERLY BROAD. AND WOULD END UP.
IN A LARGE INCREASE IN
INCARCERATION OF MANY PEOPLE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? THAT ACTUALLY
INTERESTED IN SEEING NONE WILL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS FOR ANY, UM QUESTIONS
AND COMMENTS. SEE NONE OR SEEN.
I'M NOT TRYING TO FORCE ANYBODY
SAYING I MEAN, I I'M READING THE
LANGUAGE HERE. THIS IS ABOUT
HATE CRIMES, UM, THAT ARE
MOTIVATED IN WHOLE, IN PART BY A
BIAS AGAINST ONE OR MORE OF THE
FOLLOWING ARE ACTUALLY PROCEED.
CHARACTERISTICS OF THE VICTIM,
WHICH INCLUDES DISABILITY,
GENDER, NATIONALITY, RACE OR
ETHNICITY, RELIGION, SEXUAL
ORIENTATION. OR IN ASSOCIATION
WITH THE GROUP. I DON'T SEE HOW
ANY OF THE EXAMPLES GIVEN BY THE
LAST WITNESS APPLY GIVEN THE
LANGUAGE OF THE BILL, SO UM
IMPACTED. AS YOU JUST LOOK AT
THE LANGUAGE OF THE BILL, AND IT
JUST IT IS ABOUT HATE CRIMES
BASED ON ONE OF THOSE
CHARACTERISTICS, SO, UM, I DON'T
FIND THE LAST TESTIMONY
PERSUASIVE AND WILL BE VOTING
FOR THE BILL. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. MOVE THE BILL. WE HAVE
EMOTION, THEIR SECOND I'M
LEAVING. UM UM. THERE'S NO MORE
THAN YOU MAKE CLOTHES OR YOU MAY
USE MR LUBBERS CLOSING. I JUST
WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HARD
WORK OF THE COMMITTEE STAFF TO
ALSO ADDRESS THE ISSUES AT HAND
TO SURE AND MAKING IT, UH, THE
PRODUCT BEFORE US AND
RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR ABOUT
OKAY? DID YOU WANT? DID YOU WANT
TO COMMENT OR I'M SORRY. WE'RE
DONE BY THE ROLE. ITEM 10 64 BY
SOME OF THEM BELOW THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOHN
SAWYER, JOHN SAWYER. I ELONIS
ELONIS. AYE BANTA, BRIAN! BRIAN,
I LACKEY ORTEGA. ORTEGA I
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO EYES RUBBER
ZIPPER. AYE. THAT MEASURE
PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
TALK. BUT A B 329 ITEM NUMBER.
ONE. THAT JURISDICTION.
GOOD MORNING. YOU WHATEVER.
YOU'RE READY. YOU CAN BEGIN. UH,
READY. SO THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE A
B 3 29 SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO
PROSECUTE. MULTIPLE OFFENSES OF
CARGO THEFT. I SPEND MORE THAN
ONE COUNTY AND INVOLVED OR THE
SAME DEFENDANT BILL RUN THE
JURISDICTION OF THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL TO CONSULTED A MONTE
COUNTY KA GO STEP CRIME INTO A
PROSECUTION IN ONE COUNTY. THIS
BILL MIRROR A B 16 13 WITH WORDS
RELATED TO RETAIL THAT THAT THIS
COMMUNITY PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
LAST YEAR A B 29 EXTEND EXACT
SAME REVISION. ANTI ADDITIONAL
CARGO THEFT THAT WERE AFFORD TO
RETAIL PLAYER. OVER THE PAST
DECADE BECAUSE OF CARGO RELATED.
GRAHAM HAS RAISIN. DRAMATICALLY
ESTIMATE THAT COMBINED LOSSES OF
ABOUT IT TRUCKING INDUSTRIAL
INSURANCE COMPANIES IN THE
RAILROAD. SO SURPASSED $10
BILLION IN THE U. S ANNUALLY.
CARGO TAP IS DISTINCTLY
DIFFERENT FROM RETAIL. FAIR AND
THAT IS CARBON UNDER A DIFFERENT
SECTION OF THE PETER COLE. IT
DEAL WITH GOOD THAT ARE IN
TRANSIT TO WAREHOUSE OR
FACTORIES. RETAIL THAT DEAL
SPECIFICALLY WITH GOOD THAT ARE
ONLY FOR SALE. A B TREE 29 WOULD
ACCESS CALIFORNIA BUSINESSES
FRUSTRATED WITH CARGO THEFT
IMPACT. A B 3 29 WOULD GIVE A
TOOL TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO
STOP THIS OFTEN ORGANIZED AND
SOPHISTICATED GRANT THAT IS
DESTROYING OUR CALIFORNIA
BUSINESSES. IT IS MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT AT LEAST
OPPOSITION WAS FOR THE REGIS
BUSH IN OF THE BILL, SO I HUMBLY
ASK FOR YOUR IDOL. AND I AND I
LIKE TO NOW AUBREY SAND, NICK
HAPPY WITH THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE
FIVE MINUTES. GOOD MORNING,
TERRY JONES, SAWYER AND MEMBERS
NICK CHAPPIE WITH THE CALIFORNIA
TRUCKING ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT
CARGO THEFT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM
THAT HAS BEEN IN THE RISE IN
RECENT YEARS AS THE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER MENTIONED THE NATIONAL
INSURANCE CRIME BUREAU IN THE
CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL
ESTIMATE COMBINED LOSSES
SUFFERED BY SHIPPERS, INCLUDING
THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY SURPASSES
$10 BILLION IN THE UNITED STATES
ANNUALLY. JUST LAST YEAR, THE
CHP UNCOVERED A MAJOR ORGANIZED
CARGO THEFT RING THAT WAS
STEALING ELECTRONIC SHIPMENTS
FOR MULTIPLE COUNTIES THROUGHOUT
THE STATE. THE SUSPECTS WERE
FOUND WITH THOUSANDS OF STOLEN
ITEMS AND RESPONSIBLE FOR OVER
$9 MILLION IN STOLEN CARGO.
SIMILARLY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
OFFICE LAST YEAR CHARGED SEVERAL
SUSPECTS WITH EPS FROM CARGO
TRUCKS THAT DEPARTED FROM
MULTIPLE MICROSOFT SHIPPING
FACILITIES. MOTOR CARRIERS,
TRUCK DRIVERS AND BUSINESSES WHO
ARE VICTIMS OF ORGANIZED CRIME.
ORGANIZED CARGO THEFT WILL
BENEFIT FROM EXTENDED
PROTECTIONS UNDER THIS BILL.
MAYBE 3 29 WILL ALSO TAKE THE
NECESSARY STEPS TOWARDS
PROTECTING CONSUMERS WHO RELY ON
THE SAFE AND EFFICIENT
TRANSPORTATION OF GOODS. FOR
THESE REASONS, WE SUPPORT MAYBE
3 29 AND APPRECIATE THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FOR HIS
LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
OTHER WITNESSES AND SUPPORT ANY
OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. LESLIE
CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION. I DON'T KNOW IF I
LET HER GOT IN IN TIME. WE ARE
WITHDRAWING OUR OPPOSITION.
OKAY? DANICA NORMAL ON BEHALF OF
INITIATE JUSTICE AND OPPOSITION.
DON TRAN ON BEHALF OF THE ELLA
BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS,
AND WE OPPOSED. MELANIE KIM ON
BEHALF OF THE SAN FRANCISCO
PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. AND NOW
WE'LL BRING IT BACK. TO THE
COMMITTEE FOR ANY COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS, MR LACKEY YEAH, I
JUST LIKE TO COMMEND. REMEMBER
TOP OF BRINGING THIS, UH, THIS
BILL TO OUR ATTENTION. UM LAKE
COUNTY. THERE'S BEEN A MASSIVE
AMOUNT OF REAL THEFT THAT'S
CAUSED SOME OF THE COMPANIES TO
REDIRECT THE ROUTE INSTEAD OF
THREE LOS ANGELES THERE WAS SO
MUCH TRASH ASSOCIATED WITH THE
STAFF. THAT IS EVEN CAUSED THEM
TRAIN CRASHES. THE COMPANIES
HAVE HIRED PRIVATE SECURITY AND
REROUTED THEIR TRAINS AS I JUST
MENTIONED THE LACK OF
ENFORCEMENT BY THE LOCAL
DISTRICT ATTORNEY. UM THEFT IS
ALTOGETHER MUCH DIFFERENT THAN
THEN, UH, RETAIL BAPTIST WAS
OUTLINED BY THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
AND THIS CLEARLY DESERVES OUR
SUPPORT. AND SO I WILL BE
SUPPORTING IT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. STATEMENTS. SEEING NONE.
YOU MAY CLOSE ONE OF THE THINGS
THE WORK OF ALL THE COMMUNITY
STOP, AND I HUMBLY ASK FOR YOUR
EYEBALL. OKAY? AND I THINK THERE
MAY BE SOME. I DON'T KNOW IF
THERE'S CONFUSION BECAUSE I'M
READING. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
CURRENTLY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO
PROSECUTE CARGO THEFT. AND I
THINK, EVEN IN THE MY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY GASCON, UM IN RESPONSE
TO LIKE WE CONDUCTED THROW VIEW.
WHERE APPROPRIATE, THEY DO
VIOLENCE. CHARGES FELONIES AND
MISDEMEANORS, SO I'M NOT I DON'T
KNOW IF THIS IS THE
CLARIFICATION WITH THE
JURISDICTION, BUT. AND MAYBE
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WE CAN
WORK ON SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING
SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE,
DUPLICATIVE. AND SO, UH, I WOULD
RECOMMEND THE NOTES THAT WE CAN
GET TO A PLACE WHERE WHERE WE
CAN HAVE CLARITY ON ON
JURISDICTIONAL. BUT I DON'T
BELIEVE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
WOULD JUST NOT DO ANYTHING. UH
FULL FAITH THAT IF THERE IS A
PROBLEM THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF
IT. IS THERE A MOTION MOTION?
SECOND COFFEE ROLE. AND MAYBE 3
29 BY SOME MEMBER TAUGHT. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS. JOHN SAWYER
SAWYER KNOW ALANIS. YES I WANT
TO NO, NO, BRIAN BRIAN. NO.
LACKEY MACKEY. AYE. ORTEGA OR
TAKE A NOTE. SANTIAGO SANTIAGO
KNOWS UBER UBER NO MAJOR FAILS
BUT COME BACK AND LET'S TALK
ABOUT WAYS WE CAN CLARIFY THIS
FOR THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY. THANK
YOU. CARGO AND YOU UNITED PART
CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. HE HAS
TO ASK. OKAY? YES, YES.
CONSIDERATION, PLEASE. OKAY, I'M
GONNA TRY THIS. SHOULD WE TAKE A
VOTE, OR CAN I THANK YOU NOW? UH
HUH. RIGHT? IT IS NO OBJECTION
BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. WE WILL
GRANT RECONSIDERATION. YOU HAVE
IT. THANK YOU. MR. MR COREY
JACKSON. WITH THREE BILLS. A B
742. A B 855. MAYBE 994. MR
CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HAVE
THREE BILLS BEFORE YOU WE WILL
START WITH I WILL START WITH A B
85555.
FIVE THESE ASSESSMENTS WHENEVER
YOU'RE READY. A B 55 WERE
CHANGED THE ANNUAL INTEREST RATE
ON RESTITUTION ORDERS AND THE
ANNUAL INTEREST RATE ON CERTAIN
DELINQUENT PAYMENTS. INCLUDING
FINES, FEES AND RESTITUTION TO
NO MORE THAN 1. TODAY WHEN THEY
CONVICTED DEFENDANT WHO CAUSED
HARM IS ORDERED TO PAY
RESTITUTION. THEY DO SO AT A
RATE OF 10. AS THIS INTEREST
ACCRUES AND FEES ARE LEVIED THE
RESTITUTION THAT OLD CAN BALLOON
BY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, MAKING
IT HIGHLY UNLIKELY VICTIMS WILL
BE RECOMPENSE RE COMPENSATED FOR
THEIR SUFFERED LOSS. THE VAST
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE SYSTEM
ARE LOW INCOME AND WILL NEVER BE
ABLE TO PAY OFF THE RESTITUTION
DEBT. BUT ACCORDING TO THE U C
BERKELEY LAW SCHOOL POLICY
ADVOCACY CLINIC, 67% OF
SURVIVORS DO NOT RECEIVE ANY
RESTITUTION PAYMENT AND ONLY 13%
A RESTITUTION HAS EVER COLLECTED
, AS MOST DO NOT HAVE A WAY TO
PAY. UNLIKE OTHER DEBT
RESTITUTION HAS NO STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS, AND IT'S NOT
DISCHARGEABLE IN BANKRUPTCY. TO
GET PAYMENTS COURSE OFTEN RESORT
TO AN INVOLUNTARY COLLECTION
ACTIONS, INCLUDING GARNISHING
WAGES AND INTERCEPTING TAX
REFUNDS. BECAUSE OF THE TARGETED
POLICING AND OVER PUNISHMENT OF
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR BLACK AND
BROWN. CALIFORNIANS ARE
OVERREPRESENTED IN THE LEGAL
SYSTEM ACROSS THE STATE. FOR
EXAMPLE. IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY
BLACK INDIVIDUALS ACCOUNT FOR
20% OF ALL RESTITUTION ORDERED
BUT ONLY 8% OF THE COUNTY'S
TOTAL POPULATION. ONEROUS
RESTITUTION, FINES AND FEES
FAILED TO BE RESTORATIVE AND
TURN OUR SYSTEM INTO BEING EVEN
MORE REGRESSIVE. AND LITERALLY
SERVING NO. ONE. A BEEF 8 55 6
TO BETTER RECOMPENSE VICTIMS AND
PROVIDE THE RELIEF THEY DESERVE.
IF WE TRULY WANT RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE IN CALIFORNIA. WE MUST
CREATE AND BUILD OUR SYSTEM TO
MEET THESE GOALS. ESPECIALLY
WHEN WE KNOW THEY ARE BEING
MISSED. WE CANNOT ASK OUR
FORMERLY INCARCERATED TO BUILD
THEMSELVES UP AND THRIVE IF WE
SET THEM UP TO FAIL. WE ALSO
CANNOT ASK VICTIMS TO RECEIVE
JUSTICE AFTER SYSTEM FAILS THEM
AS WELL. A B 8 55 6 TO PUT
CALIFORNIA FURTHER DOWN THE PATH
OF CREATING A PUBLIC SAFETY
INFRASTRUCTURE TRULY SERVING AS
PURPOSE AND ALL PARTIES
INVOLVED. WITH ME TODAY. UM WE I
HAVE STATE TREASURER FIONA MA
FORMER DISTINGUISHED MEMBER OF
THIS BODY, WHO I AM PROUD TO SAY
IS SERVES AS THE BILL CO
SPONSOR. AND IT'S HERE TODAY TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT ON THE BILL AND
ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
ALSO SPEAKING AND SUPPORT IS
ANDREW WHEN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF INSIDE GARDEN PROGRAMS TO
PROVIDE US AS TESTIMONY OF
PAYING RESTITUTION. SO YOU YOU
HAVE FIVE MINUTES. BUT OF
COURSE, AS A STATEWIDE OFFICER,
YOU HAD SOME CONSTITUTIONAL.
DON'T WORRY. OH I'LL BE SHORT OF
THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
MEMBERS. UM, WHEN I WAS WHEN I
WAS HERE IN THE LEGISLATURE FROM
2006 TO 2012. I ALSO SERVED ON
THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE FOR
FOUR YEARS. AND IT WAS ONE OF MY
MOST FASCINATING COMMITTEES
BECAUSE YOU I DON'T KNOW HOW
YOU'RE GONNA VOTE SOMETIMES
UNTIL YOU HEAR ALL THE TESTIMONY
, UM MY LAST TWO BILLS SIGNED BY
GOVERNOR BROWN ALLOWED WOMEN
CONVICTED OF LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE
TO HAVE A SECOND CHANCE AT
GETTING THEIR CASES HEARD. MANY
OF THEM ARE SERVING 30 45 YEARS
IN JAIL, SERIOUS HEALTH ISSUES,
AND SO THIS HAS MADE A
DIFFERENCE IN THEIR LIVES, WHERE
THEY ARE ABLE TO LIVE THE REST
OF THEIR LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE
PRISON WALLS, BUT IT IS ENABLED
ME TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT SOME OF
THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE HAPPENING
INSIDE. SO I AM PROUD TO CO
SPONSOR THIS BILL BECAUSE THE
10% IS PUNITIVE. RIGHT IT'S
ADDING IT STARTS TWO WEEKS AFTER
CONVICTION. THE INTEREST
CONTINUES TO ACCRUE WHETHER THE
INMATES ARE IN PRISON. THEY
DON'T HAVE A LOT OF
OPPORTUNITIES TO EARN A LOT OF
MONEY, AND THEN IF THEY MISS A
PAYMENT THEY ARE ASSESSED A 10%
PENALTY ON TOP OF THAT, SO WHEN
THEY FINALLY GET OUT OF PRISON
OF THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT THEY
ARE OWED FOR THIS, THE VICTIM'S
COMPENSATION FUND IS PRETTY MUCH
OUT OF REACH, AND MANY OF THEM
ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO
HAVE THIS DEBT OVER THEIR HEADS
LIKE, UH, THE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
SAID. IT IS NOT DISCHARGEABLE IN
BANKRUPTCY. IT STAYS ON THEIR
RECORD FOR LIFE. UM AND THIS IS
NOT GIVING. UH THE INMATE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO OUT TO RIGHT
THEIR WRONGS. IT'S NOT GIVING
VICTIMS FAMILIES THAT PAYMENT
THAT THEY DESERVE. AND SO THIS
WHOLE SYSTEM IS EXTREMELY
PUNITIVE AND I THINK HAVING A 1%
INTEREST RATE IS FAIR. UM IT
GIVES PEOPLE A SKIN IN THE GAME,
BUT IT DOESN'T OVERWHELM THEM
AND CREATE ADDITIONAL RECIDIVISM
AND UM, YOU KNOW INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE TRYING TO ENTER, UH, GIVES
THEM A CHANCE TO PAYBACK BUT
ALSO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOME SORT
OF PRACTICAL, UH, LIFE QUALITY
OF LIFE AFTER THEY GET OUT OF
PRISON, SO I'M VERY HONORED TO
BE HERE AND THANK THE MEMBER FOR
CARRYING THIS IMPORTANT BILL.
THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. THANK
YOU FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS
ANDREW NGUYEN. JUST AS THE
MEMBER INTRODUCED ME. I'M THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO INSIDE
GARDEN PROGRAM. WE PROVIDE
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING
INSIDE PRISON AND REENTRY
SERVICES FOR THE PEOPLE WE
SERVE. UM I MYSELF IN PREVIOUSLY
INCARCERATED. I SERVE A PRISON
SENTENCE HERE IN CALIFORNIA
PAROLE IN 2009. I WAS GIVEN A
$23,000 RESTITUTION BILL. UM AND
WHEN I GOT OUT, IT WAS A BALLOON
TO AROUND 27 OR 28,000. UM. I
BROUGHT HOMELESS IN 2009, SO
JUST TO EVEN COME WITH THAT KIND
OF LIKE DEBT RIGHT OUT. THE
GATES WAS REALLY JUST DIFFICULT
. UM I STRUGGLED GETTING
EMPLOYED. I DIDN'T HAVE A LIVING
WAGE TILL JUST A FEW YEARS AGO,
SO JUST TO KIND OF BRING IT TO
PERSPECTIVE. UM AND THEN 2015. I
ATTENDED UCLA AND AT THAT TIME
UM. YOU KNOW I RECEIVED I SHOWED
THE GREATEST FINANCIAL AID NEED
. UM PELL GRANT RECIPIENT HAD A
WORK STUDY JOB. UM I WAS ALSO
PRESIDENT. GRADUATE FAMILY
HOUSING WHERE I EARNED A
STIPEND. BUT YOU KNOW, I STILL
WAS VERY BARELY MAKING IT AS
SOMEBODY LIVING IN LOS ANGELES
ON THE WEST SIDE OF LOS ANGELES
WHERE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. UM
YEAH, NONE OF THAT. REALLY
REALLY ALLOWED ME TO JUST ONE
SAFE OR EVEN PAYBACK. AND IT
WASN'T UNTIL 2016 MY LET MY BANK
ACCOUNT WAS LEVIED. UM. I
RECEIVED MY FINANCIAL AID
PAYMENT FEW WEEKS BEFORE THAT,
AND THEY TOOK ALL MY FINANCIAL
AID. MONEY UM AND AVERAGE
THEY'RE TRYING TO LIKE, FIGURE
OUT MYSELF. UM BUT BEYOND JUST
TAKING MY FINANCIAL AID MONEY,
UM IT REALLY LIKE PERSONALLY
IMPACTED ME. UM, IT TOOK AWAY MY
JUST MYSELF. UM IT PUT ME INTO
SUICIDAL STATE. I'M NOT. I'M NOT
A PERSON WHO, LIKE CONSTANTLY GO
THROUGH A PSEUDO STYLE STATE.
MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S THE ONLY
TIME I'VE GONE THROUGH ONE. SO
IT REALLY JUST LIKE IT CUT ME
DEEP AS A PERSON WITH A FAMILY.
I COULDN'T TAKE CARE OF HIM AS A
PRIMARY PROVIDER. I COULDN'T UM
YEAH, I JUST I JUST COULDN'T DO
MUCH RIGHT. IT JUST TOOK AWAY A
GOOD PIECE OF MY IDENTITY AS A
AS JUST A PERSON. UM I HAD TO
NEGOTIATE TO TRY TO GET SOME OF
MY FUNDING BACK DESPITE IT BEING
, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL MONEY, STATE
MONEY, UM, AND WORK STUDY MONEY.
I JUST HAD TO NEGOTIATE WITH
STATE FRANCHISE TAX BOARD, AND
IN THAT PROCESS, THEY COULDN'T
UNDERSTAND HOW TO STUDENT HAD
MORE EXPENSES, AND THEY HAD
INCOME. UH UM. AND IF ANY OF YOU
HAVE GONE TO COLLEGE IN
CALIFORNIA, WE KNOW THAT'S A
VERY COMMON OCCURRENCE. UM SO I
HAD TO EXPLAIN HOW I USE CREDIT
CARD DEBT TO GET BY EVERY MONTH.
UH UM. AND IT CAUSED ME JUST
TREMENDOUS STRESS AND PAIN. I
WAS UNABLE TO PAY MY RENT TO THE
èC REGIONS. AS A RESULT OF THIS
AH, UM AND YOU KNOW, I HAD TO
JUST NEGOTIATE A PAYMENT PLAN.
UM YOU KNOW IN LUCKILY AT THE
TIME OF MY LOW WERE YOU KNOW, I
WAS THINKING OF SUICIDE. I DID
HAVE A PROFESSOR WHO WAS THERE
FOR ME DURING THAT TIME AND HELP
ME GET THROUGH IT. HIS NAME IS
BRIAN BAIN. UM BUT EVEN TO THIS
DAY SINCE 2016 I CONTINUE TO
MAKE THOSE MONTHLY PAYMENTS AS A
RESULT OF THAT LEVEE, HOWEVER
DEAD, THE AMOUNT HAS NOT GONE
DOWN. YOU KNOW, I STILL I STILL
ARE STILL MAKING PAYMENTS ON IT
EVEN FROM IN PRISON WHEN THEY'RE
GARNISHING MORE THAN MORE THAN
HALF OF MY EIGHT CENTS AN HOUR
JOB INSIDE, SO I MEAN, HERE I AM
STILL WITH HIS DEBT. AND HERE WE
ARE SEVERAL YEARS LATER BE
MAKING CONTINUOUS ON TIME
PAYMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT? DANA GORDON ON BEHALF
OF INITIATE JUSTICE AND SUPPORT.
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT. LET ME
BEGIN WITH THE PROSECUTORS
ALLIANCE OF CALIFORNIAN SUPPORT.
TOM TRAN ELLA BAKER CENTER FOR
HUMAN RIGHTS AND SUPPORT. JOHN
VASQUEZ ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITIES
94 RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND
SUPPORT. RESPONDING YEARS WITH
THE ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION, A
PROUD CO SPONSOR THIS BILL AND
SUPPORT JIM LINDBERG FRIENDS
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION IN
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT. HAD ONLY
MARKET OUT ON BEHALF OF LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN AND STRONG SUPPORT.
ANALISA RUIZ WITH YOUNG WOMEN'S
FREEDOM CENTER AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU, NOT ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.
WELCOME. THANK YOU. UM MY NAME
IS GRETCHEN LICHTENBERGER. AND
I'M HERE AS LEGISLATIVE
CHAIRPERSON FOR THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF JUDGMENT
PROFESSIONALS. AND WE ARE IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL. I HAVE
BEEN ENFORCING COURT JUDGMENTS
FOR, UH, ALMOST TWO DECADES NOW.
AND I COULD TELL YOU STORY AFTER
STORY AFTER STORY FROM THE
VICTIM'S PERSPECTIVE. AND ONE
IMPORTANT ONE WAS IN SANTA
BARBARA. VERY UM, HIGH PROFILE
CASE. THIS UNSCRUPULOUS WOMAN
STOLE MONEY FROM THREE NUNS IN
SANTA BARBARA. THAT WE'RE TRYING
TO FIND HOUSING BECAUSE THEY
WERE PUTTING OUT BEING PUT OUT
OF THEIR HOMES THEIR 50 YEAR
HOME BY THE ARCHDIOCESE. AND SHE
GOT ARRESTED FOR THAT, AND SHE
WAS STANDING TRIAL. WHILE SHE
WAS OUT ON BAIL. SHE MAIN
FRIENDS WITH A COUPLE OF THE
PARISHIONERS OF THE NUNS. AND
THEN SHE COMMITTED FINANCIAL
ELDER ABUSE AGAINST THEM, AND
THEY LOST THEIR HOME. SHE TOOK
OVER $40,000 FROM THEM WHILE SHE
WAS OUT ON BAIL. SHE GOT
ARRESTED FOR THAT, AND SHE
ULTIMATELY GOT SENTENCED TO 11
YEARS IN JAIL. THESE VICTIMS
THAT WERE PARISHIONERS OF THE
NUNS, AND THIS WAS A VERY HIGHLY
PUBLICIZED STORY IN SANTA
BARBARA. THESE VICTIMS WERE IN
THEIR LATE SEVENTIES. THEY LOST
THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE SHE WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE DOING A MORTGAGE
MODIFICATION FOR THEM. AND SHE
DIDN'T AND THEY LOST THEIR
HOUSE. THEY HAD NOWHERE TO GO.
THEY WERE HOMELESS. BECAUSE SHE
TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THEM. I HAVE A
CLIENT WHO WAS HIT BY A DRUNK
DRIVER. SHE WAS PARALYZED. SHE'S
IN A WHEELCHAIR. SHE HAS A HUGE
AMOUNT OF MEDICAL BILLS THAT SHE
HAD BECAUSE OF THAT, AND SHE HAS
SHE WAS IN PROBABLY NEVER GOING
TO GET ALL OF HER MONEY PAID
BACK TO HER. BUT THE PURPOSE OF
VICTIM RESTITUTION IS TO FULLY
COMPENSATE THE VICTIM FOR THEIR
LOSS OF USE OF MONEY. I EXCUSE
ME, I BONDS RIGHT NOW WE'RE
PAYING ABOUT 8% AND C D S ARE
PAYING ABOUT FIVE OR 6. AND IT
WAS SAID HERE TODAY THAT, UM
THIS IS PART OF RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE AND AT THE 10% IS
PUNITIVE PURPOSE. THE REASON
LEGISLATURE SAID IT AT 10% IS
BECAUSE IT HAS TWO PURPOSES. ONE
IS TO FULLY COMPENSATE THE
CREDITOR FOR THEIR LOSS ABUSE OF
THEIR MONEY. AND TWO TO
ENCOURAGE THE DEBTOR THAT OWES
THE MONEY TO PAY THE JUDGMENT IF
THIS INTEREST IS SET AT 1% WHY
WOULD THEY EVER PAY ANYTHING?
AND IF PEOPLE TRULY ARE AT A
PLACE IN THEIR LIFE, WHERE THEY
CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THE JUDGMENT
, THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF THE
JUDGMENT. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES
IT MAKE ABOUT THE INTEREST RATE?
SO I PRESENT TO YOU THAT IT
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. TO REWARD.
PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED
OF CRIMES. NO DISRESPECT TO
CRIMINALS OR PEOPLE THAT HAVE
BEEN COMMITTED OF CRIMES,
WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE IN FACT
GUILTY. BUT THINK ABOUT THE
VICTIMS FOR A MINUTE. PUT
YOURSELF IN THE PLACE OF THE
VICTIM. YOU HAVE NOBODY UNLESS
YOU HIRE A LAWYER WITH AND PAY
MORE MONEY, YOU HAVE NOBODY TO
GO AND GET THE ENFORCEMENT OF
THAT ORDER. THAT ORDER IS
ENFORCED BY THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY WHO IS SHORT STAFF AND
HIGHLY OVERWORKED AND THEY DON'T
HAVE TIME TO GO AND COLLECT
VICTIM RESTITUTION ORDERS. SO
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. VICTIM
RESTITUTION ORDERS ARE PROBABLY
THE LEAST COLLECTED JUDGMENTS IN
ALL OF CALIFORNIA. SO IT'S
REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT
YOU DON'T PAINT WITH A BROAD
BRUSH. YOU DON'T SAY ALL MHM.
RESTITUTION ORDERS GET LOWERED
TO 1% BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST
TWO DECADES. THERE ARE PLENTY OF
WHITE COLLAR CRIMINALS THAT CAN
AFFORD TO PAY THE 10. SO. I LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
AUTHOR AND THE SPONSORS TO COME
UP WITH SOMETHING THAT CAN BE
WORKED FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT
ARE INVOLVED ON BOTH SIDES.
THANK YOU. PLEASE DON'T FURTHER
VICTIMIZED THE CRIME VICTIMS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION? CNN WILL BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. MR
LACKING YES. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPOSITION, BECAUSE, UM ONCE
AGAIN. WE HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
OF, UH OVER OBSESSION. WITH THE
FOCUS AND IMBALANCED FOCUS ON
OFFENDERS AND ONCE AGAIN SHOWING
AN INSENSITIVITY TO VICTIMS. AND
HOW THERE'S CRIMINAL OFFENSES.
UH. OUR LONG LASTING ARE LONG,
LONG LASTING AND ONE OF THE
LITTLE ELEMENTS THAT WE PROVIDED
TO DO SOME KIND OF WE TALK ABOUT
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. HOW ABOUT
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE TO VICTIMS
THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING
THAT WE WOULD ALL AGREE ON, AND
WE NEED TO WORK MORE
COLLABORATIVELY TOGETHER ON BUT
THIS IS NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE
VICTIMS ARE ALREADY BEHIND THE
EIGHT BALL, AND I THINK IT IT'S
GETTING TIRESOME. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. SURE. WITH THE
OPPOSITION. DID YOU GUYS HAVE
ANY KIND OF PAYMENT PLANS THAT
COME UP ORIGINALLY? THE
GENTLEMAN HERE SAID THAT FINALLY
HE GOT TO A PAYMENT PLAN. IS
THERE NOT LIKE A PAYMENT PLAN
STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING, SO
THEY DON'T FALL BEHIND RIGHT
AWAY. YES I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION.
UM WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN ALL
THESE DIFFERENT LAWS IS PEOPLE
WANT TO COME IN AND PUT IN ALL
THESE HANDCUFFS LATER ON. AS A
CREDITOR WHO'S BEEN DOING THIS
FOR A VERY LONG TIME. WE
CREDITORS ARE ALWAYS OPEN TO
COMMUNICATION. BUT WHAT HAPPENS
IS THE DEBTOR'S DON'T WANT TO
COMMUNICATE. WE SEND LETTERS WE
TRY TO. WE DON'T HARASS PEOPLE
AT ALL. WE OPEN UP THE LINE OF
COMMUNICATION. WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN
TO LISTEN. WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO
BE REASONABLE AND MANY, MANY,
MANY TIMES WE SETTLE JUDGMENTS
FOR WAY LESS THAN THE FACE VALUE
JUST TO GET THEM OFF OUR BOOKS.
SO A LOT OF TIMES THESE DEBTORS
IF THEY WOULD JUST TAKE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO
THEIR CREDITORS. IT GOES A LONG
, LONG WAY. SO THANK YOU FOR
THAT QUESTION. YES. AND IF I
MAKE IN CHURCH, 30, YOU FEEL
LIKE YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING?
MAYBE THE AUTHOR OF THIS BILL
CAN MAYBE WORK ON TO MAKE THAT
EASIER? BETTER OPTION? I MEAN,
WHY? WHEN I WROTE HOMELESS I WAS
HOUSING AND SECURE. UM AND SO
BEING ABLE TO GET IN CONTACT
WITH ME WAS VERY MUCH A
CHALLENGE. UM AND SO, UM, AND
THEN WHEN YOU LEAVE PRISON, THEY
DON'T PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY KIND
OF INFORMATION REGARDING ANY OF
THE RESTITUTION OTHER THAN BUT
YOU HAVE PAID 55% TO 8 CENTS AN
HOUR WORKING, SO THERE'S BEEN
THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION THAT
I RECEIVED. UM AND IF I RECEIVED
IT IF IT MAY HAVE BEEN AT A
FORMER ADDRESS, BUT YOU KNOW THE
INSTABILITY OF BEING ON PAROLE
REALLY MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR ME
TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THAT
INFORMATION. OKAY AND FOR THE
AUTHOR, WOULD YOU MAYBE THINK OF
MAYBE THE CRIME CONSUMER PRICE
INDEX. RATE AS WELL. MAYBE NOT
SO 10 NOT SO MUCH ONE. BUT
WHATEVER THE GOING RATE IS AT
THE TIME MORE THAN HAPPY TO
CONSIDER ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT
GETS TO WHAT THE PROBLEM WE'RE
TRYING TO SOLVE. UM AND I THINK
WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS TO
UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM WE'RE
TRYING TO SOLVE. BECAUSE UM.
WITH THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION,
THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. AND
THAT IS THIS. NUMBER ONE. WE ARE
NOT. WE ARE NOT LOWERING. UM THE
AMOUNT OF PAYMENT THAT THEY OWE
TO THE VICTIMS. THAT STAYS THE
SAME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT
US AS A SYSTEM AND GOVERNMENT
PUT ON TOP OF THAT. WHICH THEN
MAKES IT HARDER FOR THEM TO PAY
THE VICTIMS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO THIS IS NOT US BEING LENIENT
ON THOSE WHO HARM SOMEBODY. THIS
IS AS MAKING IT EASIER FOR THE
PERSON WHO DOES THE HARM TO
ACTUALLY GIVE THE RESTITUTION
DIRECT DIRECTLY TO THE VICTIM,
UH, THEMSELVES. UH SO, UH, I
BELIEVE THIS IS A BALANCED
APPROACH. UM I BELIEVE THAT THIS
IS NOT US. THIS IS NOT A
THEORETICAL BILL. THIS IS NOT A
GOTCHA BILL. THIS IS A BILL THAT
SAYS THE DATA SHOWS. RIGHT DON'T
ARGUE WITH ME ARGUE WITH THE
DATA. THE DATA SHOWS THAT
BECAUSE THE 10% IS SO ONEROUS.
NOBODY GETS WHAT THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO OTHERS SUPPOSED TO
RECEIVE RIGHT? AND SO THIS IS A
WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT VICTIMS
ARE ACTUALLY GIVEN ARE ARE
RECEIVED THE RELIEF THAT THEY
DESERVE AS VICTIMS AS WELL. AH,
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FURTHER
FOR THAT QUESTION, AND THEN YOU
CAN ADD THE 10% PENALTY FOR NON
PAYMENT. ON TOP OF THAT. THAT'S
ACTUALLY 20. ON THE VICTIMS
RESTITUTION FUND, SO NOBODY WINS
IN THIS SITUATION. THERE'S NOT A
10% ON THE VICTIM'S ORDER.
THAT'S ONLY OKAY. OKAY, PARTNER.
JUST WANTED TO FOCUS IN ON THE
10% AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S
ACTUALLY YOU'RE TRYING TO
CORRECT THE WRONG OF THAT 10%
BEING SET IN THE FIRST PLACE
BASED ON THE BILL ANALYSIS, IT'S
PRETTY CLEAR THAT 10% ISN'T
REFERENCE POINT THAT WE CAN
ACTUALLY USE AND GIVEN THE FACT
THAT WE HAVE THIS STATE
TREASURER HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON HOW UM
HOW THAT 10% WAS SET OR THE
IRRELEVANCE OF THAT 10% NOW? UH,
IN LIGHT OF OUR CURRENT AH!
CURRENT SAVINGS THAT SOMEONE CAN
RECEIVE ON ANY MONEY. AND THEN
SECONDARILY YOUR POINT AROUND
THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT STILL GOING
TO THE VICTIM. THE OVER RIDGE
THE INTEREST OVER RIDGE. WHO
DOES THAT GO, TOO? SO JUST LIKE
LEGISLATION, RIGHT? WE PASS AND
WE PUT A NUMBER IN IT, AND SO
NORMALLY WE WOULD CREATE, UH A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIKE
ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THAT GOES TO
THE PROGRAM. AND THEN PERHAPS I
CAN INTEREST UM, THAT WOULD
ACCRUE TO PERHAPS PUT BACK INTO
A FUND FOR OTHERS RIGHT? THE 10%
WAS CREATED THROUGH STATUE. UH,
THAT'S WHAT PRIOR LEGISLATORS
VOTED ON AND PRIOR GOVERNOR SO
THAT IS, YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEEN IN
THE STATUE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO CORRECT HERE IS TRYING
TO MAKE THE VICTIMS WHOLE BUT
NOT PUT SUCH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT
OF BURDEN ON, UH, THE PERSON
THAT WAS INCARCERATED SO THAT
THEY CAN GET THEIR LIFE BACK.
THEY CAN GET A JOB THEY CAN
CONTINUE TO PAY. I MEAN, THAT'S
LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOAN,
RIGHT? CREDIT CARD LOAN AND YOU
HAVE TO PAY 18% RIGHT. LOT OF
PEOPLE CAN'T PAY THAT BACK. AND
THEN THEY JUST GET INTO TROUBLE
AND BANKRUPTCIES AS WELL. AND
EVEN DURING COVID, UM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SUSPENDED
STUDENT LOAN PAYMENTS FOR TWO
YEARS. THESE PAYMENTS WERE NEVER
SUSPENDED FOR ANY OF THEM. SO
IT'S BEEN ACCRUING FOR EVERYBODY
WHO HAS TO PAY THAT 10% WITH NO,
YOU KNOW, UM NO. DELAY IN THE
PAYMENT EVEN THROUGH COVID, SO
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF INEQUITIES
IN THIS IN THIS 10% IN THE
AMOUNT THAT INCARCERATED FOLKS
ARE BEING TREATED, BUT AGAIN,
LIKE, UM, THESE OTHER MEMBERS
SAID THE VICTIMS ARE STILL GOING
TO BE PAID IN WHOLE. IN THEORY,
WE'RE NOT REDUCING THE VICTIM'S
COMPENSATION. FUND OR THAT THE
MONTH MONEY THAT GOES TO
VICTIMS. IT'S JUST THE PUNITIVE
10% PLUS AN ADDITIONAL PENALTY
OF 10. POTENTIALLY THAT'S GOING
TO BE ADDED ON TOP OF IT. LET'S
MOVE, MR BRYANT. BECAUSE OUR
SECOND MOVING THE BILL, THIS IS
A REALLY THOUGHTFUL IN GREAT
BILL, AND I WANT TO THANK YOUR
WITNESSES FOR COMING AND
TESTIFYING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE
AND FOR SHARING SUCH A POWERFUL
, HONEST LIVED EXPERIENCE. UM WE
SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO PUMMEL UP
PUNISHING, CRIMINALIZE POVERTY
VICTIMS ARE GOING TO BE MADE
WHOLE ON THEIR FULL RESTITUTION.
THAT'S Dð. PARTICULARLY IF
PEOPLE WHO ARE FORMALLY
INCARCERATED ARE ABLE TO MAKE
THEIR PAYMENTS. RIGHT THE SECOND
WE PUT YOU IN A STATE OF LOSING
YOUR HOUSING, STABILITY, LOSING
YOUR EDUCATION, STABILITY.
NOBODY HAS MADE WHOLE, INCLUDING
SOCIETY AS A WHOLE BECAUSE WE
HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE
SIMULTANEOUS CRISIS THAT WE'VE
CAUSED. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CO
AUTHORS, I'M HAPPY TO JOIN YOU.
THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. QUÊ YOU
MAY CLOSE. YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY
ARE WE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE VICTIMS ARE MADE WHOLE WHERE
WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO CORRECT THE
PROBLEMS THAT MANY TIMES OR
INSTITUTIONS DUE TO INCARCERATED
PEOPLE. WE ASKED THEM TO CO OUT
AND BE PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF
SOCIETY. TO PICK THEM UP BY PICK
THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR
BOOTSTRAPS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE
CREATE ADDITIONAL PENTA
PENALTIES THAT DON'T GIVE THEM
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY BOOTS IN
THE FIRST PLACE. AND SO WE HAVE
GOT TO DO BETTER THAN MAKING
SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE
FORMALLY INCARCERATED HAVE A
PATH TO UPWARD MOBILITY. AND
WITH THAT, I ASKED FOR AN I VOTE
AND I HAVE HAD SIMILAR BILLS
LIKE THIS BEFORE. SO I THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING THIS NOT TO GIVE
THE STATE TREASURER. HEART
ATTACK ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE
ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT IT. AS WE
ALL HAVE CREDIT, BUT IT'S YOUR
HOME WAS YOUR CREDIT CARD? IF WE
REVERSED IT THAT WE PAID THE
PRINCIPLE FIRST. ANY INTEREST
LAST UM, WHAT EFFECT THAT WOULD
HAVE, AND IT'S PART VICTIMS ARE
CONCERNED THAT WE'RE PAYING THE
VICTIMS FIRST, EXACTLY. ACTUALLY
GETTING TO THE VICTIM, AND I
THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING THAT IN
YOUR BILL AND I WAS DRAG FROM
THAT, BECAUSE MY SECOND MY FIRST
ONE WAS, LET'S ELIMINATE THE
INTEREST ALTOGETHER. BUT THEN
THAT BECAME PROBLEMATIC, TOO.
SO, UM, I'M GLAD YOU YOU BROUGHT
THIS TO US. I THINK THIS IS A
GOOD COMPROMISE. UM, BECAUSE I
WOULD I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GONE
A LOT FURTHER. SO REQUEST THAT
THE COMMITTEE DOING I VOTE. BUT
ALSO THINK ABOUT REVERSING IT
WOULD BE THE FIRST OF THE KIND
YES. A B 855 BY SEVEN MEMBER
JACKSON. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASSED TO THE REVENUE AND
TAXATION COMMITTEE. JOHN SAWYER
. JOHN SAWYER, I ALANIS SNOW
BONTA. I BRIAN BRIAN, I LAKI
LAKI NO ORTEGA ORTEGA I
SANTIAGO. THE BIRD I THAT
MEASURE PASSED THIS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHICH ADAM
YOU WANT TO DO NEXT? I'M STILL
HERE, MR. CHAIR THREE. NEXT UP
IS A B 994. MAYBE 994. RIGHT
ITEM NUMBER. 27. OKAY
ENFORCEMENT, SOCIAL MEDIA. ITEM
27. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. DO
YOU HAVE A WITNESS BY YOURSELF
ABOUT MYSELF TODAY AT THIS TIME?
I WANT TO START BY THANKING THE
HARD WORK OF THE CHAIR AND THIS
COMMITTEE PROTECTING THE PRIVACY
RIGHTS OF EVERY CALIFORNIA
CENTRAL TO A B 994 AND I'M HAPPY
TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS. I ALSO WANT TO THANK
THE LEGISLATIVE L G B T Q CAUCUS
, UH, FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP AND
PRIORITIZING THIS IMPORTANT BILL
AS WELL. AS WELL WITH OUR CHAIR
AND CO CHAIR. ALRIGHT VICE CHAIR
OF THE L G B T Q CAUCUS AS CO
SPONSORS, SENATOR EGGMAN AND
ASSEMBLY MEMBER WARD A B 994
WILL PROTECT OUR PRIVACY WHILE
MAINTAINING PUBLIC SAFETY. THIS
BILL WILL REQUIRE OUR SHERIFFS
AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS DO NOT
POST ANY BOOKING PHOTOS OR MUG
SHOTS OF INDIVIDUALS WHEN
ARRESTED ON SUSPICION OF
COMMITTING ANY CRIME UNLESS THE
INDIVIDUAL IS DEEMED AN IMMINENT
RISK TO OTHER OTHERS OR THE
PUBLIC. UH F A JUDGE ORDERS THE
RELEASE OF THE INDIVIDUALS IMAGE
BASED ON AN ARTICULATED LAW
ENFORCEMENT INTEREST. OR THERE
IS AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE THAT
NECESSITATES THE DISSEMINATION
OF THE INDIVIDUALS IMAGE DUE TO
AN URGENT AND LEGITIMATE LAW
ENFORCEMENT INTEREST.
IMPORTANTLY IN THE EVENT OF
BOOKING EVENT, A BOOKING PHOTO
IS USED. A B 994 WILL NOW
REQUIRE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR
SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO USE THE NAME
AND PRONOUNS PROVIDED BY THE
INDIVIDUAL. A POLICE DEPARTMENT
. OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE MAY
INCLUDE OTHER LEGAL NAMES OR
KNOWN ALIASES OF AN INDIVIDUAL
AS WELL. IF USING THE NAMES OR
ALIASES WILL ASSIST IN LOCATING
OR APPREHENDING THE INDIVIDUAL,
REDUCING OR ELIMINATING IN AN
IMMINENT THREAT TO AN INDIVIDUAL
OR TO PUBLIC SAFETY. LASTLY THAT
BOOKING PHOTOS BE TAKEN DOWN,
WILL NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN. OFF
OF SOCIAL MEDIA AFTER 14 DAYS OF
THEIR FIRST POSTING. A B 9 94
ENHANCES PRIVACY RIGHTS OF ALL
PEOPLE WHILE STILL PROVIDING
JUDGES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOLS
TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM
IMMINENT HARM. AND DANGER. WHEN
BUGS SHOTS ARE USED. CALIFORNIA
SHOULD BE LEADING THE WAY IN
PROTECTING PRIVACY AND AVOIDING
THE ARCHAIC PRACTICE OF BEING
DEAD, NAMED. LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS
AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY. I'M DEAD,
NAMING AND MISS CHEN DORING
TRANSGENDER, GENDER,
NONCONFORMING AND INTERSEX
INDIVIDUALS ON MULTIPLE
PLATFORMS. NOT ONLY CAN THIS ACT
STRAIN EXISTING RELATIONSHIPS
WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS, BUT IT
CAN ALSO THREATEN THE
INDIVIDUAL'S LIFE, ESPECIALLY
WITH THE EXPONENTIAL INCREASE IN
ANTI LGBTQ PLUS AND ANTI TRANS
RHETORIC. INDEED, THE STATE OF
ILLINOIS RECENTLY PASSED A BILL.
PREVENTING LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES FROM PUBLISHING BOOKING
PHOTOS ON THEIR SOCIAL
NETWORKING WEBSITES. AND THIS
FEBRUARY, THE UTAH STATE SENATE
VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO ENTIRELY
PROHIBIT POLICE FROM PUBLICLY
RELEASING BOTH SHOTS UNTIL A
PERSON HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF A
CRIME. A B 994 PROVIDES FURTHER
CONFIDENCE TO ALL PEOPLE THAT
CALIFORNIA CARES AND WE'LL
PROTECT WHO THEY ARE, AS THEY
ARE. THIS BILL PROVIDES BALANCE
, PRIVACY AND PROTECTION FOR
INDIVIDUALS AND THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT. NAME AND
ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. GOOD
MORNING, LIZZIE. VEGAN
PROSECUTORS. ALLIANCE
CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT. THANKS.
THANK YOU. DANICA ROAD, ARMEL ON
BEHALF OF INITIATE JUSTICE.
COZIER WITH CALIFORNIA'S
RECEIVED AND JUSTICE. TRAM WITH
THE L. A. BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN
RIGHTS. JOHN VASQUEZ ON BEHALF
OF COMMUNITIES 90 FOR RESTORING
JUSTICE AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. IT ONLY MICHAEL AT PALACE
AGAIN ON THIS WITH LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN AND STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. LISA RUIZ, POLICY
DIRECTOR OF THE YOUNG MAN'S
FREEDOM CENTER IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. JOANNE SHEER
FOUNDER, FELONY MURDER
ELIMINATION PROJECT IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THE ONLY
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. MR
SOUTH SYLAR. WELCOME WHENEVER
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, COREY SALTILLO ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION IN THE
CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT
ASSOCIATION OF RECORDS.
SUPERVISORS RESPECTFULLY HERE IN
OPPOSITION TO 89 94. THIS IS THE
LAW THAT'S BEING AMENDED BY THIS
BILL WAS ONLY CREATED IN 2021
DID NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL LAST
YEAR. UM THIS BILL SEEKS A
SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION OF THAT
BILL THAT WAS NEGOTIATED,
FRANKLY AND IT AND THAT
NEGOTIATED BILL HAD VERY LITTLE
OR NO OPPOSITION. INCLUDING FROM
LAW ENFORCEMENT IF I RECALL
CORRECTLY ONCE IT WAS NEGOTIATED
, UM THIS BILL REJECTS MUCH OF
THE LIMITATION THAT WAS
NEGOTIATED INTO THAT BILL JUST
TWO YEARS AGO. UM THE BUILT THE
ABILITY TO POST BOOKING PHOTOS
WHILE BEING RESTRICTED. LEFT THE
DOOR OPEN, UM, FOR GOVERNMENT TO
BALANCE PRIVACY CONSIDERATIONS
AS WELL AS THE INTEREST IN
COMMUNICATING WITH THE PUBLIC
ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE ACCUSED OF
COMMITTING SERIOUS AND VIOLENT
CRIMES. THIS BILL WOULD PREVENT
THE POSTING OF BOOKING PHOTOS OF
A PERSON ARRESTED FOR A VIOLENT
CRIME UNLESS VERY SPECIFIC AND
LIMITED CONDITIONS EXIST. UM AND
IN IN ATTEMPTING TO, UM
APPROPRIATELY IDENTIFY PERSONS
AS THEY WISH TO BE IDENTIFIED IN
THE CONTEXT OF THIS BILL AND
NOTWITHSTANDING THE AMENDMENTS.
THIS BILL SAYS YOU HAVE TO USE
THE NAME GIVEN BY THE
INDIVIDUAL. NOT IN THE CONTEXT,
AND OUR OBJECTION IS NOT IN THE
CONTEXT OF THE WAY IN WHICH A
PERSON IDENTIFIES IN TERMS OF
THEIR NAME VERSUS THEIR LEGAL
NAME, BUT THERE'S NO EXPRESS
CONTEMPLATION OF A PERSON. GETS
ARRESTED. BOOKING PHOTO IS
TAKEN. THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCY INTENDS TO POST IT. UNDER
THE PARAMETERS OF EXISTING LAW
OR THIS BILL AND SAYING MY NAME
IS MICKEY MOUSE OR JOE DIMAGGIO
OR FILL IN THE BLANK. IT'S NOT A
QUESTION OF IDENTIFIED
DIFFERENTLY, AND I USE A
DIFFERENT NAME THAN MAYBE MY
LEGAL NAME. BUT THERE'S NO
THERE'S NO CONTEMPLATION OF HOW
A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY WOULD
BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT
SITUATION. SO I KNOW THAT'S NOT
THE AUTHOR'S INTENT. I SUSPECT
THAT CAN BE CLEANED UP, BUT IT'S
NOT IN THIS BILL AND THE
AMENDMENTS DON'T FIX IT BECAUSE
THE AMENDMENTS ONLY ADDRESS THE
SITUATION WHERE USING A LEGAL
NAME AND AGAIN THAT'S THE
DISTINCTION BETWEEN MAYBE A
PERSON WHO'S TRANSITIONED HAS A
LEGAL NAME HASN'T CHANGED THE
NAME. THAT QUESTION. NOT THE, UM
I TELL YOU COMPLETELY FAKE NAME
OR IF I GET ARRESTED AND THEY'RE
TAKING MY PHOTO, AND I SAY MY
NAME IS REGINALD BIOGENESIS,
SORT OF SENIOR, RIGHT? I MEAN,
SO THAT'S ANYWAY, SO THAT'S MORE
OF A TECHNICAL ISSUE, BUT AGAIN
BECAUSE THESE BECAUSE THIS IS SO
NEW BECAUSE IT WAS JUST
NEGOTIATED. WE THINK WE GOT TO A
COMFORTABLE SPOT LAST TIME. THIS
IS A MASSIVE EXPANSION FOR THOSE
REASONS. WE ASK FOR NOVA. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ANY OTHER
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION? GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR MEMBERS, RYAN
SHERMAN WITH THE RIVERSIDE
SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION, AS WELL AS THE LAST
COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFF
ASSOCIATION AND THE DEPUTY
SHERIFF ASSOCIATION TO MARRY
COUNTY. THANK YOU. THEN WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE.
BRIAN. WHAT IS THE EFFICACY OF
POSTING A BOOKING PHOTO FOR
SOMEBODY WHO HASN'T YET BEEN
FORMALLY CHARGED. POTENTIALLY OR
MAYBE EVEN HAS BUT CERTAINLY
HASN'T BEEN CONVICTED OF
WRONGDOING YET IS CLEARLY JUST A
SUSPECT. AND YOU CAN STILL POST
THAT WE'VE CAUGHT THE SUSPECT OF
X Y AND Z CASE. WHAT IS THE
EFFICACY OF POSTING A BOOKING
PHOTO AT ALL? AND TO THE MICKEY
MOUSE ASSERTION. I THINK WITH
THE BILL'S PROVISION THAT ALLOWS
FOR YOU TO PUT LEGAL NAME AND
ALIASES, I THINK NOW IF I USE
THE ALIAS MICKEY MOUSE IN
INSTANCES WHERE YOU WOULD
ATTRIBUTE THAT TO GANG
AFFILIATION, PROVEN OR OTHERWISE
, YOU WOULD PUT THAT ON THE POST
TWO AS WELL. I'VE SEEN THAT IN
MANY INSTANCES, RIGHT? AND SO
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IT ALL
IS THE EFFICACY OF POSTING A
BOOKING PHOTO OF SOMEBODY WHO
HAS NOT BEEN CONVICTED. YET WHEN
YOU COULD JUST SAY THAT WE'VE
CAUGHT A SUSPECT IN X Y AND Z
CASE HAVE ALSO SEEN MANY
INSTANCES WHERE THAT'S BEEN DONE
WHERE WE'D RATHER JUST DO THAT
THEN POST A BOOKING PHOTO. UM,
AND IT SEEMS KIND OF ARBITRARY
WHEN THE DISCRETION APPLIES,
ALTHOUGH I SEE A LOT OF BLACK
FACES POSTED KID CAN'T SPEAK TO
THE DISTRIBUTION IN WHICH UM,
PHOTOS ARE POSTED. NOT IN
AGENCIES MAKE THOSE CHOICES.
SOME AGENCIES POSTED TON OF THEM
SOME DON'T POST THEM AT ALL. UM
THE ADVOCACY, I THINK IS A
SITUATION IN WHICH A PERSON'S
BEEN CHARGED OR HAS BEEN BOOKED
AND THAT MIGHT BE A FUGITIVE
UNDERSTAND EXISTING LAW IN THE
BILL CONTEMPLATES AN EXEMPTION
FOR SOMEONE WHO'S A FUGITIVE,
BUT NOT EVERY FUGITIVE CASE
FALLS UNDER THE BILL, IT MAY NOT
BE AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE.
THAT'S ISSUE NUMBER ONE ISSUE
NUMBER TWO IS I WOULD YOU KNOW,
AT THE RISK OF MY OWN PERIL?
ANSWER THE QUESTION WITH A
QUESTION OF WHAT IS WHAT IS THE
CHALLENGE AND WHAT IS THE
PROPRIETY OF SAYING AND NOT TO
ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO DO A BILL?
BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS
RESTRICTED NEWSPAPERS FROM
POSTING BOOKING PHOTOS. THIS IS
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SOCIAL MEDIA
. RIGHT SO I'M NOT TRYING TO
GIVE YOU BUILD IDEA TO THAT
QUESTION. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A
BIG IDEA. BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT
DOESN'T CONTROL THE NEWSPAPERS
RIGHT BECAUSE IT IS NOT A PUBLIC
OWNED ENTITY THAT ALSO STILL HAS
, UM, COLLABORATION AND
COOPERATION WITH THE ENTITY.
THAT'S ALSO FILING CHARGES.
BOOKING YOU COLLECTING YOUR
RESTITUTION. ALL OF THESE
THINGS. UM, NEWSPAPERS, UM, HAVE
A DIFFERENT SET OF FRAMEWORKS
AND THE ONE THAT WE HOLD OUR
PUBLIC AND CIVIC INSTITUTIONS TO
AND I WOULD ARGUE THE FRAMEWORK
THAT WE SHOULD HOLD OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT INSTITUTIONS TO AND
SO, MR JACKSON, I THINK THIS IS
A THOUGHTFUL, SMART, GOOD BILL.
I SEE THAT THE FUGITIVE LIST IS
ON HERE. IF SOMEBODY IS A
FUGITIVE, IF WE'VE BEEN LOOKING
FOR MICKEY MOUSE, MICKEY MOUSE
IS A FUGITIVE AND WE FIND HIM.
OR HER OR THEM, UM THEY CAN HAVE
THEIR PICTURE POSTED. AND SO I
DON'T SEE A PROBLEM THERE. I
THINK THERE MAY BE SOME
TECHNICAL THINGS YOU STILL WANT
TO ADDRESS. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO
GO THROUGH MANY, MANY
COMMITTEES, AND I KNOW YOU'RE
WILLING TO DO THAT. SO THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING THIS FOR TODAY. I'M
GONNA BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT YOU,
BILL. THANK YOU. MR CHAIR. COULD
I JUST DON'T THINK I COMPLETELY
ANSWERED. THE QUESTION IS JUST
VERY BRIEFLY. I ALSO WANT TO, I
THINK POINT TO NOT ONLY A
FUGITIVE ISSUE, BUT IF SOMEONE'S
ARRESTED AND BOOKED AND THEY'RE
NOT A FUGITIVE, THEY'RE IN
CUSTODY. POSTING THAT PICTURE
MAY ENCOURAGE OTHER VICTIMS TO
COME FORWARD OR MAY SHED LIGHT
ON OTHER CASES THAT MIGHT BE
INVOLVED, SO I JUST WANTED TO
ADD THAT I NEGLECTED TO SAY THAT
THANK YOU. OKAY ANY OTHER
COMMENTS ARE ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE
THAT SAME COMMENT. I'VE DONE
THAT MYSELF, OR WE'VE ACTUALLY
FOUND OTHER VICTIMS OF CRIMES BY
POSTING THOSE PICTURES, UH, TO
HELP IN ANOTHER CAUSE OF SOME OF
THEM JUST NOT COME FORWARD, AND
THEN THEY SEE THAT PERSON OR
THEY SEE THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY
ONE. AND IT DOES. IT DOES FIND
OTHER VICTIMS FOR US. SO THANK
YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. OKAY?
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOU MAKE
CLOTHES. RESPECTFULLY OSANAI
VOTE. YEAH YOU KNOW, WE, THE
COMMITTEE TRIED TO CLARIFY
CLEANED UP AS BEST WE COULD, UM
I HAVE UTMOST CONFIDENCE THAT IF
THERE'S SOME CLARITY THAT NEEDS
TO BE DONE, THAT YOU WILL WORK.
WITH THE OPPOSITION TO MAKE SURE
THAT HAPPENED. ABSOLUTELY AND I
THINK YOU'LL BE AMENABLE TO
WHATEVER MAKES SENSE MORTGAGE.
WE CAN GET TO THE GOAL WHAT
YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, AND SO I
ASKING FOR MY VOTE. IS THERE A
MOTION? THAT WOULD BE GOOD?
CALLED THE WORLD. ON A B 994 BY
SEVEN REJECTION, THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS TO THE PRIVACY AND
CONSUMER PROTECTION COMMITTEE.
JOHN SAWYER. JOHN SAWYER. I
ELONIS ELONIS, NO BONTA VOTING.
NOT VOTING. BRIAN BRIAN, I
BLACKIE BLACKIE. NO ORTEGA.
ORTEGA I SANTIAGO. CYBER CYBER.
AYE. THE MEASURES ON PAUL, YOU
NEED ONE MORE VOTE. AND THEN
YOUR LAST ONE. MY LAST ONE IS A
B 7 42 PUPPY DOG. HMM HMM.
HMM. ITEM NUMBER A B 742
ENFORCEMENT POLICE TALKS.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. FOR THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
, MR CHAIR IN 2021. NEARLY 12%
OF ALL USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS
THAT RESULTED IN SEVERE INJURY
OR DEATH WERE CAUSED BY POLICE
CANINES. NEARLY TWO THIRDS OF
ALL PEOPLE SERIOUSLY INJURED OR
KILLED BY POLICE CANINES IN
CALIFORNIA. WE'RE BLACK OR LATIN
OR LATINO. WHILE 64% OF THOSE
SERIOUSLY INJURED OR KILLED WERE
UNARMED. BLACK CALIFORNIANS WERE
MORE THAN TWICE AS LIKELY TO
FALL VICTIM TO POLICE CANINES AS
ANY OTHER GROUP. AND 2.6 TIMES
MORE LIKELY THAN THEIR WHITE
COUNTERPARTS. LATINO
CALIFORNIANS WERE MORE THAN
TWICE AS LIKELY TO FALL VICTIM
TO POLICE CANINES AS THEIR WHITE
COUNTERPARTS. THE JAWS OF A
POLICE CANINE HAVE ENOUGH FORCE
TO BREAK THROUGH SHEET METAL.
AND OFTEN CAUSE PERMANENT NERVE
DAMAGE AND, IN SOME CASES,
PERMANENT PHYSICAL DISFIGUREMENT
TO THEIR VICTIMS. AND IN MANY
CASES, THEY HAVE NOT YET BEEN
CONVICTED OF ANY CRIMES YET. A B
7 42 WILL ENSURE THAT CALIFORNIA
WILL NO LONGER CONDONED THE
MAULING OF CIVILIANS BY POLICE
CANINES. WHICH IS A GROSS MISUSE
OF FORCE THAT WOULD RARELY BE
JUSTIFIED IN ANY OTHER CONTEXT.
WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
THOSE WHO LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE
TRYING TO APPREHEND. THEY ARE
ALSO HERM HARMING INNOCENT
PEOPLE. CHRISTINE NATO ERROR WAS
BITTEN ON THE HEAD BY THE
BRENTWOOD CANINE POLICE DOGS,
MARCO AND HER OWN HOME AS SHE
LAID TUCKED INSIDE A CRAMPED
CROSS CRAWL SPACE IN JANUARY.
2019 ADAM GABRIEL. A MARINE
CORPS VETERAN. WAS BEATEN, WAS
BITTEN ON THE BICEP BY A POLICE
DOG AFTER SONOMA COUNTY
SHERIFF'S THERE FOR THESE
WRONGLY DETAINED HIM ON
SUSPICION OF CARJACKING. ANOTHER
MAN HAD TAKEN THE CAR. AND THE
VICTIM IS TAKEN. LI IDENTIFIED
GABRIEL SCAR AS THE SUSPECTS.
JESSE PORTER. AND 89 YEAR OLD
MAN WAS BITTEN ON THE LEFT CALF
BY A POLICE DOG IN HIS OWN
BACKYARD. WHICH LED TO HIS LEG
BEING AMPUTATED ABOVE THE KNEE.
AND HE DIED LESS THAN TWO MONTHS
LATER IN A REHABILITATION
CENTER. THE POLICE CANINE
MISTAKEN HIM FOR A SUSPECT.
RICHARD EARL MAY, JUNIOR. A 64
YEAR OLD MAN. I WAS BITTEN ON
THE LEGS BY A POLICE DOG NAMED
RIGS WHILE TRYING TO RESCUE A
FRIEND'S CAT AT A CONSTRUCTION
SITE. A CIVIL JURY IN 2017
AWARDED HIM 1.1 MILLION RULING
THAT SAN MATEO COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPUTIES USED EXCESSIVE FORCE.
OFFICER MATT NEFF'S POLICE DOG
BASS MAULED TO 18 YEAR OLD MAN
DURING A SEARCH FOR ARMED
ROBBERY SUSPECT IN EAST OAKLAND.
RESULTING IN INJURIES REQUIRING
HOSPITALIZATION AND SURGERY.
NEITHER OF THE MEN WERE CHARGED
WITH A CRIME. I CAN KEEP GOING.
JOEL ALEJO'S. A HANDYMAN WAS
ATTACKED AND REPEATED BEING
REPEATEDLY BITTEN BY POLICE DOG
BALL CO. AND HIS OWN BACKYARD IN
JUNE, 2020 HE WAS NOT THE
KIDNAPPING SUSPECT THAT PAUL
ALTO POLICE WERE PALO ALTO
POLICE. WORSE, ASSISTING. WE'RE
LOOKING FOR THEY WERE ASSISTING
MOUNTAIN VIEW OFFICERS IN
SEARCHING FOR HIM. AND THE CITY
OF PALO ALTO PAID 135,000 TO
SETTLE THE LAWSUIT FOULED BY
HIM. IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESPOND
TO THE NARRATIVES THAT
OPPOSITION HAS FLOATED AROUND
THIS BILL. WHICH IS THAT A
REDUCTION IN THE USE OF POLICE
CANINES FOR ARREST AND
APPREHENSION WILL LEAD TO AN
INCREASE AND DEADLY FORCE USE BY
LAW ENFORCEMENT OR POLLS AND
INCREASE SAFETY RISK FOR
OFFICERS. TO THIS. I WILL SAY
THAT I CARE DEEPLY FOR THE
SAFETY OF OUR FELLOW
CALIFORNIANS. WHO BECOMES
WARRANT OFFICERS AND PROTECT OUR
COMMUNITIES. HOWEVER THE
RESEARCH ON THIS ISSUE IS CLEAR.
A STUDY FROM 2022 FROM THE
JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL
CRIMINOLOGY FOUND THAT THE
SUDDEN SUSPENSION OF POLICE
CANINE USED FOR APPREHENSION WAS
NOT AND I REPEAT WAS NOT
ASSOCIATED WITH A STATISTICAL
INCREASE IN OFFICER OR SUSPECT
INJURY OR SUSPECTS THAT
RESISTANCE DURING FELONY ARREST.
IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO ALSO
NOTE. THAT THERE STILL MAY BE
OTHER INSTANCES WHERE SOME
AMENDMENTS UM, COULD BE
WARRANTED. UM, HOWEVER, UM, I AM
. I REESE. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED
ANY SUBSTANTIVE. UM,
RECOMMENDATIONS ON AMENDMENTS.
INSTEAD I HAVE RECEIVED MORE
IDEOLOGICAL RESPONSES. UM WHICH
DOES NOT GET TO THE PROBLEM. I'M
TRYING TO SOLVE HOW DO WE
PROTECT PEOPLE? FROM GETTING
LIFELONG. INJURIES AND EVEN
DEATH. AND THE AND TWO NUMBER
ONE FOR THOSE WHO WE'RE INNOCENT
IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND EVEN IF
THEY WERE FOUND GUILTY THE
PENALTY THAT THE CRIME ACTUALLY
WARRANTED DOES NOT EQUAL TO THE
LIFE SENTENCE OF HAVING A
LIFELONG INJURY IN THE FIRST
PLACE. THERE'S CLEARLY A
PROBLEM. THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
WHO SEND THIS DATA TO THE
APARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THIS IS
NOT MY DATA. THIS IS NOT A
RESEARCH STUDY. THIS IS THE DATA
THAT OUR OWN LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES SENT TO THE DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE THEMSELVES. AND SO
THEIR OWN DATA. SAYS THAT
THERE'S A PROBLEM. UM AND SIMPLY
MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO IS
JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE. WITH THAT
BEING SAID JOINING ME TODAY IN
SUPPORT IS SERGEANT SEAN ALLEN
WITH A SANTA CLARA COUNTY
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OF
CORRECTIONS AND ADRIANNE ADRIANA
WONG WITH THE A. C L U, A
CONCEPT CO SPONSOR. FOR A B 7
42. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS SEAN ALLEN SERGEANT
WITH THE SANTA CLARA COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE SLASH
DEPARTMENT. CORRECTIONS. AND
FORMER 20 TO 2022 CANDIDATE FOR
SHERIFF WITH NEARLY 34 YEARS OF
COMBINED SERVICE. MY EXPERIENCE
WITH TRAINED DOGS INCLUDES
OWNING IMPORTING, HANDLING AND
TRAINING EXTENDING BACK TO THE
19 EIGHTIES. TODAY. I WILL GIVE
YOU INFORMATION BASED ON MY OWN
EXPERIENCE. THE 2021, CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, USE OF
FORCE REPORT AND THE MARSHALL
PROJECT REPORT. ON DUTY. I HAVE
SEEN THE RESULT OF NEARLY 200
POLICE CANINE BITES IN SOME
CASES, BITES RESEMBLING SHARK
BITES, RESULTING IN MAIMING
DISFIGUREMENT, SCARRING TORN
LIGAMENTS AND FRACTURES OF
MOSTLY BLACK, BLACK AND BROWN
PEOPLE. DOG TRAINING IS BASED ON
DR PRAISE AND REWARD. YET A
POLICE DOG DOES NOT DISCERN
INFORMATION AT THE SAME LEVEL
THAT A HUMAN DOES. ONCE THE DOG
HAS BEEN SENT OUT TO APPREHEND A
POLICE CANINE DOES NOT KNOW IF A
PERSON IS DEAF MUTE. BLIND.
SPECIAL NEEDS AUTISTIC SUFFERING
FROM DEMENTIA. PTSD OR IN CRISIS
RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH. IT
DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN A CHILD AND MANY CASES
IN AN ADULT AND UNINVOLVED
RESIDENT, A SUSPECT AND IN SOME
CASES, EVEN ANOTHER POLICE
OFFICER. SOME OF THESE INSTANCES
ARE SUPPORTED BY THE DATA
RECENTLY SPOKE OF THERE HAVE
BEEN INSTANCES WHERE POLICE
CANINES HAVE ATTACKED OTHER
POLICE OFFICERS RESULTING WITH
THE OFFICER SHOOTING AND KILLING
THE ANIMAL. CLEARLY INDICATING
THE UNPREDICTABLE BEHAVIOR OF A
CANINE AND THE LEVEL OF THREAT
ASSOCIATED WITH A CANINE ATTACK.
WE NEED LEGISLATION TO PREVENT
INNOCENT PEOPLE AND PEOPLE
PRESUMED INNOCENT FROM BEING
BITTEN IN THEIR GENITALS, BREAST
HEAD NECK AND FACE DUE TO THE
LACK OF REGULATED CONTROLLED
CONTROL OF WEAPONIZED POLICE
CANINES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
YES MA'AM. GOOD MORNING. ADRIANA
WONG WITH A C L U CALIFORNIA
PROUD CO SPONSOR MAYBE 7 42.
I'LL BE SPEAKING ABOUT THE
PUBLIC RECORDS AND DATA THAT
DEMONSTRATE THE NEED FOR THIS
LEGISLATION. STATE USE OF FORCE
DATA TELLS US THAT IN JUST THE
LAST FEW YEARS, POLICE CANINES
HAVE INJURED HUNDREDS OF
CALIFORNIANS SO BADLY THAT THEY
FACE DEATH. PROTRACTED AND
OBVIOUS DISFIGUREMENT OR LOSS OR
IMPAIRMENT OF A BODY MEMBER
ORGAN. AND IT TELLS US THAT
PEOPLE OF COLOR JUST
PROPORTIONATELY SUFFER THESE
INJURIES IN THE JAWS OF POLICE
DOGS. CANINES CAN KILL PEOPLE.
THE DATA TELLS US THAT IN 2021,
UNARMED MAN AND PLASTER COUNTY
DIED AFTER A POLICE DOG
LACERATED HIS LOWER ABDOMEN. AND
HAYWARD, UM AS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
JACKSON MENTIONED A POLICE
CANINE KILLED AN 89 YEAR OLD MAN
IN HIS OWN BACKYARD. THE CITY
THERE SAID THE CANINE JUST DID
WHAT IT WAS TRAINED TO DO, WHICH
IS WHAT THE CITY OF BRENTWOOD
SAID WHEN THE CANINE THERE
SCALPED IN AN ARMED WOMAN. UM IN
THE OAKLAND EXAMPLE THAT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S JACKSON
MENTIONED THE TEENAGER THAT WAS
MAULED, HAD HIS LEG CHEWED TO
THE BONE. HE WAS HOSPITALIZED
FOR THREE WEEKS. HE NEEDED
SURGERY AND A SKIN GRAFT. UM IN
CURRENT COUNTY. ANOTHER WOMAN
WAS ATTACKED WHILE SHE WAS
SLEEPING IN HER OWN HOME BY A
CANINE THAT WAS SEARCHING FOR A
SUSPECT. THE MEDICAL REPORT SAID
THAT HER EAR WAS QUESTIONABLY
SALVAGEABLE AND SHE MIGHT LOSE
HER HEARING. THE DATA TELLS US
THAT MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE ARE
INJURED THIS BADLY BY CANINES.
THEY ARE UNARMED, AND A
SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF THEM
ARE IN MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.
THAT TELLS US THAT POLICE
CANINES ARE NOT DEESCALATING
BECAUSE THESE ARE EXACTLY THE
SITUATIONS THAT SHOULD BE THE
ESCALATED RATHER THAN BEING
RESPONDED TO WITH VIOLENCE. DATA
AND PUBLIC RECORDS, INCLUDING
BODYCAM. FOOTAGE SHOW THAT
POLICE FREQUENTLY USED CANINES
TO ATTACK PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
FLEEING OR HIDDEN, BUT IN PLAIN
SIGHT, INCLUDING PEOPLE LYING
DOWN, HANDCUFFED OR WITH THEIR
HANDS ABOVE THEIR HEADS. FROM
PUBLIC RECORDS. WE KNOW THE
CLAIM THAT THERE IS ALREADY
ACCOUNTABILITY IS FALSE AGENCIES
FAILED TO DISCIPLINE OFFICERS
WHO DEPLOYED DOGS TO ATTACK
UNARMED PEOPLE STOP FROM MINOR
OFFENSES THEY DEEMED THE VAST
MAJORITY OF DOG BITES WITHIN
POLICY, EVEN WHEN DOGS ATTACK
THE WRONG PEOPLE ENTIRELY OR THE
PERSON IT WAS TRYING TO
SURRENDER. PUBLIC RECORDS,
INCLUDING BODYCAM ALSO SHOWED
THAT DOGS EXTENSIVELY TRAINED
AND REGULATED, REFUSED TO RECALL
OR RELEASE THEIR BITE WHEN
COMMANDED AND WILL ATTACK RANDOM
BYSTANDERS OR ORDINARY CITIZENS
ASLEEP IN THEIR OWN HOMES ARE
LIVING THEIR LIVES IN THEIR OWN
NEIGHBORHOODS. RESTRICTING
RESTRICTING DEPLOYMENT OF
CANINES TO WIN A CRIME. A
SERIOUS DOES NOTHING TO PREVENT
THIS EXPERTS AGREE THAT THERE'S
NO WAY TO ENSURE DOGS WILL
BEHAVE AS COMMANDED. LIMIT THE
FORCE. THEY APPLY TO WHAT IS
NECESSARY PROPORTIONAL OR EVEN
BY THE RIGHT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY
ARE ANIMALS. FINALLY THE DATA
SHOWS THAT USING DOGS TO BITE
HUMAN BEINGS AS UNNECESSARY AND
ACADEMIC STUDY FOUND THAT
DISCONTINUING A CANINE UNIT LED
TO NO INCREASE IN INJURY TO
OFFICERS OR SUSPECTS OR THE
AMOUNT OF RESISTANCE DURING
ARRESTS. AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT
THE DATA FOR SEVERAL CALIFORNIA
AGENCIES, WE FOUND THAT
DECREASES IN CANINE DEPLOYMENT.
UM FROM YEAR TO YEAR CORRESPOND
WITH DECREASES IN SHOOTINGS
INCREASES IN CANINE DEPLOYMENT
CORRESPONDENT WITH INCREASES IN
SHOOTINGS AGENCIES THAT USE
CANINES TO INJURE PEOPLE, THE
MOST ALSO HAVE THE HIGHEST
NUMBERS OF SHOOTINGS, WHILE
DEPARTMENTS THAT DO NOT HAVE
CANINE UNITS AT ALL HAVE FEWER
OR NO RECENT SHOOTINGS. THIS
CONFIRMS WHAT WE KNOW, WHICH IS
THAT OFFICERS HAVE MANY TOOLS
FOR ARRESTING PEOPLE THAT DO NOT
INVOLVE DEPLOYING INDISCRIMINATE
VIOLENCE. INTO A COMMUNITY OR
INFLICTING GRIEVOUS LIFELONG
INJURY. FOR ALL THESE REASONS,
WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
VOTE. THANK YOU AND THE OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. ELIZABETH
COHEN. THE A C L U CALIFORNIA
ACTION, PROUD CO SPONSORS ALSO
FOR SMART JUSTICE, CALIFORNIA
THANK YOU. DANICA ROAD ARMY ON
BEHALF OF INITIATE JUSTICE AND
LAWYERS COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL
RIGHTS AT THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY
AREA. LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON
FOR THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT. MELISSA COZY WITH
CALIFORNIA'S FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE AND SUPPORT JOHN VASQUEZ
ON THE OTHER COMMUNITIES UNITED
FOR A STORY TO JUSTICE AND
SUPPORT. ERIC HARRIS. DISABILITY
RIGHTS CALIFORNIA SUPPORT. YEAH
NICHOLAS SACKETT, SOCIAL
COMPASSION IN LEGISLATION AND
ANIMAL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION IN
SUPPORT. TUNISIA HEARING FROM
THE CALIFORNIA, HAWAII AND CPN
STRONG SUPPORT. TIME FROM THE
ELLA BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN
RIGHTS, STRONG SUPPORT. MELANIE
KIM SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC
DEFENDER'S OFFICE IN SUPPORT.
GERONA MARGIE LAD FROM LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN. ALL OF US ARE NONE
DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. LISA RUIZ AT THE YOUNG
MAN'S FREEDOM CENTER IN SUPPORT.
AARON JAMES, RETIRED PUBLIC
DEFENDER, ALSO WITH THE
COALITION FOR JUSTICE AND
ACCOUNTABILITY, WHO STRONGLY
SUPPORTS A B 7 42. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW
FOR WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
KING COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
AND SHASTA COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS IN OPPOSITION. YOU
HAVE FIVE MINUTES, WHOEVER WHERE
YOU WANT TO PARTS IT OUT. ALL
RIGHT, GOOD. GOOD. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING. CHAIR MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS ALEX TURCOTTE AND THE
CHIEF CLOSER TO THE MIC SO WE
CAN HELP ALL HERE. IS THAT
BETTER? THANK YOU. CHAIR
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ALEX
TURCOTTE, AND I'M THE CHIEF OF
POLICE WITH THE CITRUS HEIGHTS
POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M HERE
TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA POLICE CHIEFS
ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU FOR
GIVING ME TIME TO SHARE CONCERNS
REGARDING A B 742. FIRST AND
FOREMOST, I WANT TO MAKE IT
CLEAR WE ARE. WE AGREED THAT
RACIALLY BIASED POLICING IS
UNACCEPTABLE. AS LAW ENFORCEMENT
MANAGEMENT POLICE CHIEFS ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR TRAINING,
EDUCATION AND WHEN NECESSARY
DISCIPLINE RELATING TO BIAS
CONDUCT. THIS IS A
RESPONSIBILITY. WE TAKE
INCREDIBLY SERIOUS. WHICH IS WHY
WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH
LEGISLATURE OVER THE YEARS TO
DIRECTLY ADDRESS BIAS CONDUCT.
THANKS TO OUR COMBINED EFFORTS,
WE NOW HAVE MANDATORY BACKGROUND
CHECKS, ROBUST TRAINING. PUBLIC
DISCLOSURE OF COMPLAINTS. AND
THE D CERTIFICATION SYSTEM THAT
INCLUDES REVIEW OF ALL BIASED
CONDUCT BY STATEWIDE CIVILIAN
BOARD. THIS IS NOT TO SAY OUR
WORK HERE IS DONE. BUT THESE ARE
EXAMPLES OF DIRECT EFFORTS WE
HAVE TAKEN TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES
UNDERLYING THIS BILL.
UNFORTUNATELY A B 742 IS NOT A
SOLUTION TO BUY HIS POLICING. A
B 742 STRICTLY BANS CRITICAL
FUNCTIONS OF OUR CANINE
PROGRAMS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE
ARE STATISTICS SHOW
OVERWHELMINGLY THAT THESE
PROGRAMS REDUCE FORCE DEESCALATE
SITUATIONS AND PROTECT LIVES.
WHILE WE ARE STILL ANALYZING THE
DATA IN EARLY REVIEW OF
STATISTICS FROM SEVERAL LARGE
AGENCIES SHOWS CANINE FORCES
USED IN A FRACTION OF 1% OF ALL
CANINE DEPLOYMENTS. THIS MEANS
AN OVER 99. OF THE TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF CANINE DEPLOYMENTS
PER YEAR. THE INTERVENTION HAS
LED TO APPREHENSION OR SURRENDER
WITHOUT USE OF FORCE. STRICT
DEPARTMENT POLICIES. TRAINING
GUIDELINES, STATE WIDE USE OF
FORCE LAWS AND A LARGE BODY OF
CASE LAW WORK TOGETHER. WORK
TOGETHER TO SET THE STANDARDS OF
USE OF CANINE. NOTABLY STATE LAW
REQUIRES PROPORTIONAL FORCE DE
ESCALATION AND CRISIS
INTERVENTION, REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS AND MORE. AS SUCH.
CANINES ARE USED IN RESPONSE TO
VIOLENT ACTIVITY, NOT LOW LEVEL
OFFENSES. BUT IN THE RARE
SITUATION, THE CANINE IS
DEPLOYED. THEY PROVIDE BENEFITS
THAT CANNOT BE REPLACED. CANINES
PROVIDE AN EARLY ALERT FOR
OFFICERS TO ALERT THEM TO
THREATS, ALLOWING FOR MORE TIME
AND DISTANCE BOTH FACTORS THAT
ARE CRITICAL FOR DE ESCALATION.
A CANINE SENSE OF SMELL, HEARING
AND AGILITY ALLOW THEM TO
IDENTIFY CONCEALED THREATS THAT
MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE FOUND BY
OFFICERS. CANINES CAN SEARCH
AREAS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO
ACCESS, SUCH AS LARGE OPEN
SPACES, ADDICTS, DARK ALLEYWAYS
, CRAWL SPACES AND OTHER AREAS
THAT PROVIDE A SUSPECT A
TACTICAL ADVANTAGE AGAINST AN
OFFICER. THE BOTTOM LINE. A B
742 REMOVES CANINES FROM A ROLE
THAT PROTECTS OFFICERS AND THE
PUBLIC. AS SUCH, AND ON BEHALF
OF THE 334 POLICE CHIEFS IN
CALIFORNIA. WE RESPECTFULLY MUST
OPPOSE A B 742 AND ASK FOR YOUR
NO VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS
OF COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS BRAD
MEYER. I'M CURRENTLY A CAPTAIN
WITH THE BUTTE COUNTY SHERIFF'S
OFFICE AND TESTIFYING ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFFSASSOCIATION. AN
OPPOSITION OF A B 742. I'M
CURRENTLY A HANDLER. I'M A
FORMER HANDLER FROM TWO
DIFFERENT CALIFORNIA LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. I HAVE
BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE TRAINING
, DEPLOYMENT AND SUPERVISION OF
POLICE CANINES MY ENTIRE CAREER.
I HAVE BEEN A K NINE HANDLER FOR
FOUR DIFFERENT POLICE CANINES
AND OVERSEE THE CANINE UNIT AS A
SUPERVISOR. POLICE CANINES
ENHANCED SAFETY TO THE SUSPECT
BY THE ISOLATION. SUSPECTS OFTEN
SEE AND HEAR POLICE CANINE AND
WE'LL GIVE UP PRIOR TO USE OF
FORCE BY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THE BARKING
ALONE FROM A POLICE CANINE.
WE'LL GET THE SUSPECT TO
SURRENDER PEACEFULLY WITHOUT ANY
USE OF FORCE AT ALL. AS A K NINE
HANDLER. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH
MANY DIFFERENT CRITICAL
INCIDENCES THROUGHOUT MY CAREER.
MANY TIMES SUSPECTS WHO ARE
VIOLENT AND DANGEROUS FELONS
HAVE BEEN FOUND BY MY CANINE
ENHANCING THE SAFETY OF THE
OFFICERS, THE SUSPECT AND THE
COMMUNITY. I WAS INVOLVED IN AN
INCIDENT WHERE A SUBJECT HAD AN
OUTSTANDING FELONY WARRANT FOR
WEAPONS AND DRUG CHARGES AND A
LONG HISTORY OF VIOLENT CRIMES.
HE WAS A VERY DANGEROUS
OFFENDER. THE SUBJECT HAD FLED
THE SCENE INTO A LARGE FARMING
AREA. IT WAS HIDING FROM
OFFICERS. WE CONDUCTED A LONG
SEARCH OF THE AREA AND MY CANINE
LOCATED THE SUSPECT IN AN AEREO
WHERE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SEARCH
BY HUMANS. THE SUSPECT SUSPECT
WAS ARRESTED WITH MINOR INJURIES
IN THE AREA WHERE THE SUSPECT
WAS HIDING. WE LOCATED MANY
DIFFERENT FIREARMS. WE'RE UNABLE
TO SEE THE SUSPECT DURING THE
ENTIRE SEARCH, AND WE HAVE NOT
HAVE LOCATED HIM WITHOUT MY
CANINE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME
AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU OR ANY
OTHER WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
NAME AND ORGANIZATION, PLEASE.
SARAH AQUINO ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY OF FOLSOM AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING, MR
CHAIR. REMEMBER SHANE LEVIN,
ABOUT HALF THE CALIFORNIA
STATEWIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT
ASSOCIATION OR ASSOCIATION.
ORANGE-COUNTY-REGISTER-TOO-SOON-COUNTY-VOTE-CENTERS
. CHN AND ALSO ON BEHALF OF
JENNIFER FEARING AND CALIFORNIA
FISH AND GAME WARDENS,
SUPERVISORS AND MANAGERS AND THE
CALIFORNIA WILDLIFE OFFICERS
FOUNDATIONAL IN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KRIS
EMERY, LIEUTENANT WITH THE PULSE
AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. A POST
THANK YOU. CHEN MEMBERS,
JONATHAN FELDMAN, THIS TIME ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY, RIVERSIDE,
WHO SUBMITTED A LETTER LATE BUT
WANTED TO CONVEY THEIR CONCERNS
OF THE BILL. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS MATTHEW CYBERLINK ON
BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION FOR
LOS ANGELES DEPUTY SHERIFFS AND
THE CALIFORNIA PEACE OFFICERS
ASSOCIATION. BOTH IN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. MR CHAIR MEMBERS,
RANDY PERRY THERE AND READING
ASSOCIATES ON BEHALF OF POOR AC
AND CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION HEART
PATROL IN OPPOSITION. THIS CHAIR
MEMBERS. RYAN, CHAIRMAN WITH THE
RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION
, ALSO WITH POLICE OFFICER
ASSOCIATIONS OF CLAREMONT
CORONA, POMONA PALACE, FERGIE'S
NEWPORT BEACH, UPLAND, SANTA ANA
, BURBANK, MARIA, THE ARCADIA,
RIVERSIDE. FORTUNE CLOVER CITY
IN THE DEPUTY SHERIFFS
ASSOCIATION, MONTEREY COUNTY AND
PLASTER COUNTY. ALL IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING SHARK
COMMITTEE, JULIO DE LEON WITH
THE RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S OFFICE
ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF'S
OFFICE, AND SHERIFF CHAD BIANCO.
WE ARE EMPATHY IN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GREGORY.
TONY, UM. AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF
THE WESTERN STATES POLICE CANINE
ASSOCIATION AND A PRIOR HANDLER,
22 YEARS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
HAVE PERSONALLY UM, HAD A DOG.
POTENTIALLY SAVED MY LIFE AND
THE LIFE OF YOU. SO OPPOSED.
THANK YOU. HORRIBLE ON BEHALF OF
THE REDUNDANT BEACH POLICE
OFFICERS ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. MR CHAIR
MEMBERS BRANDED UP ON BEHALF OF
LOS ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF
ROBERT LUNA AND OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. JIM STARK ADVERTISING
AIRPORTS WE OPPOSE. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. ANY COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS OR MR LACKEY. THANK
YOU. JUST AS A REMINDER. I WAS
HERE IN 2019 WHEN THE
LEGISLATURE PASSED A SERIES OF
LIVES THAT DIRECTED LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO UTILIZE DE
ESCALATION TECHNIQUES. IT WAS
CLEAR THE PUBLIC WANTED LESS
LETHAL FORCE. I FEEL LIKE THIS
PARTICULAR BILL IF HE'S 7 42
GOES INTO A WHOLE NOTHER
DIRECTION. I'LL NEVER VOTE FOR A
BILL. RESTRICT THE ABILITY OF AN
OFFICER TO USE LESS LETHAL
FORCE. AND THAT CAN DEESCALATE A
LIFE THREATENING SITUATION.
HONEST AND COMPLETE. STATISTICS
ARE VERY, VERY VALUABLE. AND
HERE'S ONE TO THINK ABOUT.
CANINES ARE ACTIVATED. THE
SUSPECT SURRENDERS PRIOR TO A
BITE. OVER 90% OF THE TIME. THAT
IS A VERY POWERFUL CONSIDERATION
THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO STRIP.
FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT. IT'S SAFER
FOR AN OFFICER AND SAFER FOR THE
SUSPECT. IN SPITE OF SOME OF THE
STORIES THAT YOU HAVE SHARED. UM
I DO BELIEVE IF ANYTHING, WE
SHOULD BE USING POLICE DOGS MORE
UM. AND THAT MAY SOUND CONTRARY
TO AND IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE
OFFENSIVE. IT'S MEANT TO BE
HONEST. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT
GETTING PEOPLE TO SURRENDER AND
TO STOP THE RESISTANCE IS
POWERFUL. BECAUSE EVERYBODY WINS
BOTH THE SUSPECT AND THE
OFFICER. WHEN YOU REDUCE
RESISTANCE, AND THAT IS THE ROLE
OF CANINES. AND SO I WILL
OBVIOUSLY NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. DOMINATES.
THANK YOU. HAVE A QUESTION FOR
THE IN SUPPORT WITH THE HOW MANY
YOU GUYS IN YOUR IN YOUR RECORDS
DO SHOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE
ACTUALLY GAVE UP KNOWING THERE
WAS A CANINE ON SCENE. I KNOW
THAT DATA IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US
. NOR IS THE COMPARATOR. I GUESS
OF HOW MANY PEOPLE GIVE UP WHEN
THERE'S NO CANINE ON SCENE. THE
CLOSEST THING WE HAVE IS THE ONE
ACADEMIC STUDY THAT LOOKED AT A
DEPARTMENT THAT DISCONTINUED ITS
CANINE UNIT, AND THERE, THEY
SHOWED THAT THERE WAS NO
REDUCTION OR THERE'S NO CHANGE
IN THE AMOUNT. OF RESISTANCE TO
OFFICERS DURING AN ARREST AS A
RESULT OF DISCONTINUING THE
CANINE UNIT THERE, OKAY, AND YOU
ALSO SAID THAT THIS ACADEMICS
TAKING THIS SURVEY AND GIVING
YOU THESE NUMBERS ALSO STATED
THAT THERE WAS NO UH THERE WAS A
HIGH NUMBER OF SUSPECTS WHO WERE
UNARMED. NO, THAT IS FROM THE
CALIFORNIA STATE USE OF FORCE
DATA. OKAY, SO DID WITH THE
COUNT WITH THAT DATA DATA RIGHT
THERE WITH THE UNARMED. DID YOU
GUYS EVER QUESTION OR WONDER WHY
THAT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE
UNARMED, SO MANY UNARMED
SUSPECTS. I THINK THAT'S PART OF
THE IMPETUS FOR THIS BILL FOR
THE OPPOSITION CAPTAIN. AS A
HANDLER, WOULD YOU SEND YOUR DOG
INTO AN ARMED SUBJECT TO
APPREHEND AN ARMED SUSPECT? UH
DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION. BUT
MOST OF THE TIME, NO YEAH. SO IN
MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE KNOWN
HANDLERS WHO TAKE CARE OF THEIR
CANINES LIKE AS IF THEY WERE
THEIR PARTNERS, AND THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO SEND THEM INTO A ROOM
WHEN THERE'S UNKNOWN ARMED
SUSPECT IN THERE, SO IT'S
PROBABLY WHY YOU'RE GETTING
YOU'RE UNARMED. DATA IS SO HIGH
SO I'VE BEEN RECEIVING LOTS OF
PHONE CALLS ABOUT THIS BILL. THE
AUTHOR OBVIOUSLY KNOWS THIS.
I'VE BEEN GETTING TEXT MESSAGES
, EMAILS PHONE CALLS ABOUT THIS
BECAUSE THIS THIS IS REALLY
GOING TO HIT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
COMMUNITY. THIS. UH THIS IS A
TOOL IN MY EYES AND OBVIOUSLY MR
LACKEY AS WELL THAT WE'RE TRYING
TO TAKE AWAY FROM LAW
ENFORCEMENT, AND THIS IS A LESS
LETHAL OPTION, AND I FEAR THAT
ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY IS GOING
TO HAVE TO USE A HIGHER LEVEL OF
USE OF FORCE BY TAKING THIS AWAY
, AND I FEAR THAT THE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES OF THIS BILL,
UNFORTUNATELY WILL WILL LEAD TO,
UH, SHOOTINGS THAT DO NOT NEED
TO HAPPEN. IT'S I'VE SEEN IT
MANY TIMES, WHERE THE PERSON WHO
WAS GETTING APPREHENDED DID
STOP. PRIOR TO THE CANINE BEING
DEPLOYED BECAUSE THEY DID SEE
THE CANINE AND THEY DIDN'T WANT
TO GET BET. I'D LIKE TO KNOW.
MAYBE THE STATS ON HOW MANY
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BIT
TWICE OR MAYBE THREE TIMES
BECAUSE USUALLY AFTER ONE TIME
THEY'VE BEEN BIT THEY KIND OF
KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE, AND
THEY WOULD GIVE UP. AND THEN IT
CAN START REAL SETTINGS. I KNOW
THAT A LOT OF 48 50 CLAIMS BY
THE DEPUTIES HAVE GONE DOWN WHEN
THEY'VE HAD CANINES IN THERE,
BECAUSE USUALLY THE INDIVIDUALS
WHO WERE NOT WANTING TO GIVE UP
DID GIVE UP ONCE A CANINE WAS ON
SCENE. SO THERE ARE MANY USES TO
THEM. AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER
FACTORS THAT COME INTO THIS AS
FAR AS SAVINGS OF MONEY FOR
EMPLOYEES, DEPUTIES, EVEN THE
PERSON THAT COULD BE GETTING
APPREHENDED, AND I SEE THAT ALSO
BEING A DEBT FOR THE CITY'S OR
THE COUNTIES OR EVEN THE STATE
BY NOT HAVING THOSE PEOPLE
AVAILABLE TO THOSE COMMUNITIES
THAT THEY'RE SWORN TO KEEP SAFE.
SO I UNFORTUNATELY WILL BE A
STRONG NO ON THIS. THANK YOU.
THE OTHER. IT IS THE BIRTH. I
JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS. UM ARE
THE CANINE UNITS CONSIDERED
PEACE OFFICERS? SO WE HAVE IN
THE IN THE YOU KNOW. COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS. A HOST OF DESCRIPTION
OF THE EXISTING LAW THAT
REQUIRES THAT A PEACE OFFICER
HAS, YOU KNOW THE ABILITY TO USE
CERTAIN LEVELS OF FORCE BASED ON
TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF
WHAT THEY MAY BELIEVE MAYBE
THREATS TO PEOPLE AND, UM AND SO
FOR ME. I MEAN, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT IS, I THINK A
DIFFICULT THING, ESPECIALLY
GIVEN THAT THIS BILL IS
RESTRICTED TO CROWD CONTROL AND
APPREHENSION, I THINK, ISN'T IT?
UM, IS HOW. THE K NINE UNIT IS
MAKING THESE VERY SPECIFIC UM.
DETERMINATIONS ABOUT RISK
LEVELS. FROM THE INDIVIDUAL
WHO'S BEING APPREHENDED OR THE
CROWD THAT'S BEING CONTROLLED.
SO I MEAN IS THE IS THE CANINE
UNIT I'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE
LETTERS BIG REFERRED TO AS PEACE
OFFICERS. ARE YOU EXPECTING
THAT? THE THAT THE DOG IS MAKING
THESE DETERMINATIONS OF WHO'S A
HIGH RISK AND UM, I MEAN, IT
JUST SORT OF SEEMS LIKE THIS IS
A VERY CRUDE WAY OF MAKING THESE
KINDS OF DETERMINATIONS THAT I
THINK ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW
WHERE YOU HAVE TO MAKE A
DETERMINATION AT AN EARLY TIME.
THEN YOU SET THE CANINE OUT. AND
THEN THERE'S NO ABILITY TO
REALLY ADJUST THE DETERMINATION
OF THE RISK LEVEL. IT'S SORT OF
THE CANINE IS JUST SORT OF
UNLEASHED. AND TO ME, THAT
SERVICES FEELS REALLY INHUMANE.
TWO INDIVIDUALS TO TREAT ANY
HUMAN BEING THAT WAY, SO I'M
JUST WONDERING HOW HOW YOU
COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING LAW
RELATED TO USE OF FORCE WHEN
YOU'RE USING A K NINE K NINE.
CANINES CAN'T EVALUATE USE OF
FORCE ONLY HUMANS CAN SO THAT
DOG IS NOT GOING TO EVALUATE
THAT USE USE OF FORCE PRIOR TO
GOING OUT THERE THAT HUMAN IS
GOING TO MAKE THAT CALL
EVALUATED TOTALITY THAT
CIRCUMSTANCE PRIOR TO THAT
DEPLOYMENT SO DO YOU CONSIDER A
CANINE? UH I MEAN, IT SOUNDS
LIKE THE STATISTICS, CANINES CAN
INFLICT DEADLY FORCE IS PRETTY
SIGNIFICANT FORCE. SO HOW WOULD
YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION OF THAT
IN THE CONTEXT OF CROWD CONTROL,
FOR EXAMPLE. JUST TO SPEAK TO
YOUR FIRST QUESTION THE CANINE
WHILE WE ALL LOVE ANIMALS, AND
THERE IS SOME OTHER PROTECTIONS
FOR ATTACKING A POLICE DOG,
CANINE ITSELF IS A TOOL. IT'S A
LESS THAN LETHAL TOOL. THE
PERSON HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO
WEIGHING THE FACTORS AND
DEPLOYING OR LAUNCHING THE DOG
WOULD BE THE HANDLER. THE HUMAN
POLICE OFFICERS IN CHARGE. OF
THAT SCENE, IT WOULD BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE FOR UTILIZING THAT
FORCE. IF I COULD JUST RESPOND
QUICKLY TO YOUR QUESTION AS WELL
. UM I THINK IT'S A GREAT
QUESTION. UM, THE K NINE HANDLER
IS ABSOLUTELY MAKING THE
DECISION TO DEPLOY THE ANIMAL.
HOWEVER AT THE MOMENT OF FORCE,
IT'S THE CANINE THAT'S MAKING
THE DECISION AND HIS, UM CERTAIN
ALAN SPOKE TO THE CANINES
ABILITY TO EXERCISE JUDGMENT.
THERE IS NOT THE SAME AS AN
OFFICERS, AND THAT'S WHY, UM
PROFESSOR CHRISTY LOPEZ, WHO IS
A VETERAN DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
ATTORNEY WHO LOOKED AT CANINE
PRACTICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UM
, MANAGED A NUMBER OF CONSENT
DECREES THAT THAT ADDRESSED.
THIS ISSUE HAS CONCLUDED THAT
THE USE OF CANINES WILL RESULT
INHERENTLY AND EXCESSIVE USE OF
FORCE BECAUSE OF CANINE CANNOT
KNOW TO MODULATE THE FORCE THAT
EXERTS IN A MOMENT, UM, TO
ACCOUNT FOR WHETHER IT'S
NECESSARY TO ACCOUNT FOR WHETHER
IT'S PROPORTIONATE IN THAT
MOMENT, UM AND IN SOME
INSTANCES, EVEN IF IT'S AGAINST
THE RIGHT PERSON. I DECIDED 11.
OTHER QUESTION. THANK YOU. I
REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE
RESPONSES. UM I THINK IN YOUR IN
YOUR COMMENTS, YOU SPENT A LOT
OF TIME FOCUSING ON SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT WOULD BE PREVENTED
BY THIS BILL, WHICH DON'T SEEM
TO ME THAT THE BILL PREVENTS THE
BILL. BILL LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S
PRETTY. FOCUSED ON ACTIVITIES
RELATED TO APPREHENSION AND
ARREST. AND SO SOME OF THE
THINGS ABOUT LOSING THE ABILITY
OF QUÊ DIÆN UNITS TO, FOR
EXAMPLE, SEARCH FOR WEAPONS OR
THAT KIND OF THING. I'M JUST
WONDERING WHY IT IS THAT THIS
BILL PREVENTS THOSE OTHER THINGS
THAT YOU LISTED AS BEING
THREATENED BY THE BILL BECAUSE
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT THE
BILL DOES THAT. DO YOU WANNA
TOUCH THEM? UM THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC
THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT
WHENEVER POLICE OFFICERS ARE IN
SITUATIONS WHERE THE LEVEL OF
VIOLENCE IS SIGNIFICANT, WHICH
WOULD WOULD WOULD ALLOW FOR THE
CANINE TO BE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT
. THE ENVIRONMENT ITSELF IS
INHERENTLY DANGEROUS, SO TO
PREVENT OR TO BE ABSOLUTELY SURE
THAT THE CANINE WOULD NOT BITE
IN THAT KIND OF APPREHENSION
SITUATION BASICALLY TAKES ANY
TYPE OF DEFENSE AWAY FROM THE
DOG ITSELF TO AND TAKES THAT THE
EFFICACY OF THAT TOOL. REDUCES
ITS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGELY JUST
NOT MAKE SENSE THAN TO UTILIZE
THE KEENAN IN THAT SITUATION. IF
YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT AT ALL.
YEAH IT'S NOT GOING TO LIMIT THE
BILL IS NOT GOING TO LIMIT THE
SEARCHING FOR WEAPONS. YOU KNOW,
THE CANINES ARE GOING TO USE TO
SEARCH FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ARMED
OR OR DANGEROUS TO THE TO THE
OFFICER. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE
WERE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK YEAH
, I GUESS. BUT BUT IN TERMS OF
THE RESTRICTING THE BILL SEEMS
LIKE FOCUSED ON RESTRICTING USE
AGAINST HUMANS TO APPREHEND
HUMANS TO ARREST HUMANS. IT
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD
PREVENT THE CONTINUATION OF
CANINE UNITS TO, FOR EXAMPLE,
SEARCH LUGGAGE AT THE AIRPORT OR
, UM, YOU KNOW, DO SEARCHES AND
SUPERMARKET FOR WEAPONS OR BOMBS
THAT MIGHT BE THERE. IT SEEMS
LIKE THOSE KINDS OF USES WOULD
CONTINUE WOULD BE ABLE TO
CONTINUE. IS THAT IS THERE BY
MISUNDERSTANDING THAT OR WOULD
THAT'S CORRECT? THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MR BRYANT. NO, I THINK MY
COLLEAGUE FROM SANTA MONICA
RAISED KIND OF AN INTERESTING
POINT. RIGHT? SO AND YOU ALL
MENTIONED THIS AS WELL THAT IT
MANY TIMES THE PRESENCE OF A
CANINE LEADS A UM, A SUSPECT TO
SURRENDER TO GIVE UP. BUT IF
YOU'VE ALREADY SENT IT AFTER ME,
AND I DROPPED DOWN I'M STILL
GETTING BIT BECAUSE THE DOG
CAN'T OR YOUR CALL OFF HAS TO BE
AH. TO A POINT THAT I THINK POST
. THAT'S A REALLY MINIMUM LEVEL
FOR, UM ITS EFFECTIVENESS. IS
IT? YOU CAN CALL THE DOG OFF
WITHIN A FOOT FROM SOMEBODY. YOU
CAN CALL THE DOG OFF. KIND OF
IMMEDIATELY AFTER LETTING OFF.
HOW HOW QUICKLY CAN YOU ADJUST
YOUR COMMANDS TO THE DOG? UM
GIVEN THAT YOU SEE SOMEBODY IS
KNOWN, AND HOW OFTEN DOES THAT
HAPPEN IN PRACTICE, SO THAT
HAPPENS ALL THE TIME? THAT'S ONE
OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE
CONSTANTLY TRAIN ON. IT'S THE
ONLY TOOL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
THAT ONCE DEPLOYED CAN BE
STOPPED PRIOR TO MAKING CONTACT
WITH THE SUSPECT. AND CALLED
BACK TO THE HANDLER. THAT
CONTROL IS WHAT WE HANG OUR HATS
ON. WE WANT THAT. SO WE'RE
CONSTANTLY WORKING ON THAT. SO
THAT LINE AND YOU TALK ABOUT
POST AND POST POST SAYS THAT THE
DOG HAS TO BE DEDICATED TO THE
SUSPECT. AND THEN THE CALL OFF
MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED. OKAY BUT
WE CONTINUALLY TRAINED WITH
THOSE HIGHER STANDARDS WHERE
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT CALL
OFF. SO IT'S RIGHT AT THE AT THE
PERSON. AND THE DOG LISTENS TO
THE TO THE HANDLER AND COMES
BACK. UM SO IT'S THE ONLY TOOL
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE ONLY
TOOL THAT THAT CAN BE CALLED
BACK. ONCE DEPLOYED. WE CAN'T
STOP A BULLET. YOU CAN'T STOP A
BATON STRIKE. UM I WOULD LOVE TO
SEE DATA COLLECTED ON HOW OFTEN
THE CALLBACK HAPPENS RIGHT?
BECAUSE I THINK UM, WHAT THE
AUTHOR IS GETTING AT RIGHT IS
THE LEGACY OF THIS USAGE THAT
REMINDS ME OF THE DOJ FERGUSON
REPORT, WHICH I WAS INTERESTED,
INTERESTING THAT IT WAS IN THE
ANALYSIS BECAUSE I REMEMBER
BEING AN UNDERGRAD AND COLLEGE
READING THE FACT THAT 90% OF THE
DOGS AND IN FERGUSON PRIOR TO
THE UPRISING WERE UNLEASHED ON
BLACK PEOPLE, UH AND THAT EVERY
BITE WAS A BLACK PERSON. I'M
THINKING ABOUT THE LOS ANGELES
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. UM AND THE
HISTORICAL REFERENCE TO BLACK
AND BROWN PEOPLE AS DOG BISCUITS
, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT IS
THE HARMFUL LEGACY THAT THE
AUTHOR IS TRYING TO GET AT. UM,
I THINK THE CROWD CONTROL
SITUATIONS SOMETHING THAT WHILE
OUR SHERIFF IN L. A COUNTY HAD A
BROADER OPPOSITION BILL HAS NO
OPPOSITION TO THAT. NOR DO I
THINK SHOULD ANYBODY KNOWING THE
LEGACY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT DOGS
AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT,
AND I THINK THE OFFICE ARE THE
AUTHOR HAS RAISED A WILLINGNESS
TO COLLABORATE AND WORK BECAUSE
RIGHT NOW IT'S A KIND OF A
BLANKET. NO APPREHENSION. IT
MAKES ME WONDER. WHEN IS THE K
NINE UNIT DEPLOYED? IS IT THAT
THIS IS A THIS IS A BURGLARY. WE
FEEL LIKE IT'S THE CANINE UNIT.
THIS IS A YOU KNOW WHO'S MAKING
THAT DETERMINATION. IS THERE A
STRICT CRITERIA FOR WHEN THE
CANINE UNIT IS DEPLOYED, OR IS
IT JUST THEY'RE AVAILABLE IN
THAT YOU WANT TO GO? AH
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU USE SUCH A
BLANKET THING LIKE A VIOLENCE
SCENARIO. UM WHEN IS THE K NINE
UNIT DEPLOYED? WHO MAKES? I
MEAN, I KNOW SOMEBODY MAKES THAT
DETERMINATION. BUT IS THERE A
STATEWIDE STANDARD FOR WHEN YOU
CAN AND CANNOT DEPLOY THE CANINE
UNIT OR IS THAT AT THE
DISCRETION OF WHOEVER IS LEADING
THE CANINE UNIT AT THE TIME AND
THE AVAILABILITY OF IT? THAT
THAT'S GONNA BE THE DISCRETION.
USE OF FORCE POLICY IS GONNA
DICTATE THAT AND THE OFFICER IS
GOING TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION
ON ON WHAT CRIME THAT HAS BEEN
COMMITTED. HOW SEVERE THAT CRIME
IS, DOES THAT THAT PERSON POSE A
DANGER TO THE PUBLIC OR THE
OFFICERS? UM, IS HE ACTIVELY
RESISTING HE'S GOING TO EVALUATE
EACH AND EVERY CALL DIFFERENTLY
AND THAT'S HOW THAT
DETERMINATION IS GOING TO BE.
CAME TO AND I THINK I THINK IT'S
THAT SOME OF THAT VARIATION THAT
I THINK THE AUTHOR, YOU KNOW, I
DON'T SPEAK FOR THE AUTHOR, BUT
THIS BILL APPEARS TO BE
ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS AS WELL
RIGHT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE
THE CHARACTERIZATION
CHARACTERIZATION OF THE CANINE
UNIT AS A LESS LETHAL VERSUS
COULD DO PERMANENT HARM IS
INHERENTLY EXCESSIVE FORCE,
RIGHT? WE'VE GOT THESE TWO
DICHOTOMIES HERE BUT AS A LEFT
LESS LETHAL THAT CAN BE DEPLOYED
FOR ANYTHING RIGHT? AND IN FACT,
WE PREFER TO DEPLOY LESS LETHAL
, NOT IN ALL INSTANCES, BUT
RELATIVE TO A SITUATION WHERE
YOU WOULD HAVE LETHAL FORCE IF
YOU'RE NOT VIEWING THE CANINE AS
LETHAL FORCE, WHEREAS IF IT DID
FALL UNDER LETHAL FORCE, UM OR
YOU KNOW EXCESSIVE FORCE
GUIDELINES THAT IT MIGHT FALL
UNDER A DIFFERENT DEPLOYMENT
SCHEDULE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE
THERE'S JUST WIDE VARIATION
RIGHT NOW, SO I THINK THERE'S A
LOT OF WORK TO DO HERE. I THINK
SOME FOLKS NEED TO SIT DOWN. AND
TALK AND THINK ABOUT IT, AND I
KNOW THE VICE CHAIR HAS A DEEP
HISTORY IN THIS AS WELL. BUT I
THINK THE AUTHOR I KNOW THE
AUTHORS. INTENTIONS ARE NOBLE
AND I KNOW THERE'S A GIANT GAP
HERE AND THROUGH THAT GAP, MANY
PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING. UM LIFE
ALTERING. DAMAGE AT THE HANDS OF
WHAT WE'RE CALLING A LESS LETHAL
AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE
FORWARD AND THE WORK TO CONTINUE
AND I WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR
FOR BRINGING IT TODAY. RESPONSES
NEXT OH, I'M SORRY. MR ORTEGA IS
NEXT. I JUST HAD A QUICK
QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED HAYWARD
A COUPLE OF TIMES. THAT'S THE
CITY THAT I REPRESENT, AND WAS
READING THE ARTICLE THAT TALKED
ABOUT THE INCIDENT THERE. AND IN
THAT INCIDENT, THE DOG THAT
CAUSED THE DEATH OF THE 89 YEAR
OLD WHO IS INNOCENT. UM, THAT
DOG HAD BITTEN 29 OTHER PEOPLE
AND THREE OF THEM WERE INNOCENT.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT
HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS
WHERE YOU CLEARLY HAVE AH CANINE
WHO HAS A HISTORY OF I DON'T
KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
SITUATION WHERE IT'S CLEARLY
THAT THIS KEENAN HAS BEEN THREE
OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE AND THEN
LED TO THE MURDER OF ANOTHER.
AND SO I'M WONDERING WHAT WHAT'S
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN BETWEEN THAT
TIME AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO
PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. SO
I'M NOT FAMILIAR EXACTLY WITH
THE HAYWARD SCENARIO, BUT I CAN
TALK TO GENERAL PRACTICE. SO, UM
THERE'S GENERALLY A USE OF FORCE
REVIEW THAT HAPPENS OVER ANY
SIGNIFICANT USE OF FORCE AND
CANINES DEFINITELY WOULD BE
THERE, UM, THAT THAT THE REASONS
SURROUNDING THE DEPLOYMENT,
INCLUDING WHAT THE WHAT THE WANT
WAS THOUGHT TO BE WHEN THEY GOT
THERE OTHER FACTORS AND TOOLS
THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO THE
HANDLER AT THE TIME, ALL THOSE
THINGS ARE TAKEN INTO
CONSIDERATION. UM I'M NOT SURE
WITH THE STATISTIC OF THE
INNOCENT PERSON I DON'T KNOW IF
THAT IS ULTIMATELY FOUND
INNOCENT OF A CRIME OR THE WRONG
PERSON IN GENERAL. BUT AS LONG
AS THE HANDLER AND THE CANINE
HAVE BEEN PROPERLY TRAINED.
THEY'RE FOLLOWING TRAINING
PROCEDURES THEY REASONABLY DID
WHAT APPEARED NECESSARY IN THE
EYES OF STATUTE POLICY AND
ANOTHER CANINE HANDLER, THEN
THAT WOULD BE DEEMED PROPER USE
OF FORCE IF THAT WAS DEEMED
IMPROPER BECAUSE THERE WAS LACK
OF TRAINING LACK OF FOLLOWING
THROUGH POLICY. THE HANDLER LET
THE CANINE GO WHEN THEY
SHOULDN'T HAVE THEN THAT WOULD
THAT WOULD, UM, TRIGGER
ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES SUCH AS
EITHER SUSPENDING A DOG
RETRAINING THE HANDLERS OR
DISCIPLINE DEPENDING ON THE
SEVERITY OF THE ISSUE AND THE
SEVERITY OF VIOLATION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. SO I
JUST WANNA HELP FOR ALL THOSE
OUT THERE AS WELL. I KNOW. A LOT
OF QUESTIONS FROM ONE OF MY
COLLEAGUES WAS WAS ABOUT USING
OPTIONS FOR WEAPONS BOMBS, THOSE
KIND OF DETECTIONS ARE YOUR
CANINES CROSS TRAINED TO DO
THAT? FOR THE MOST PART I KNOW
MOST ARE FOR THE MOST PART OF
PROTECTION DOGS. HOW MANY OF
THEM WOULD YOU SAY IF THIS BILL
WAS PASSED WOULD BE ABLE TO BE
ABLE TO DO THE BOND DETECTION
THE WEAPON DETECTION BECAUSE AND
IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS, NOT ALL
OF THEM ACROSS TRAINER ABLE TO
DO THAT. IT DEPENDS ON THE
AGENCY. UM MAJORITY OF DOGS,
PROBABLY OR CROSS TRAINED, YOU
KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE PATROL
APPREHENSION FUNCTIONS AND THEN
ANOTHER DETECTION PORTION. ON
TOP OF THAT EITHER FIREARMS,
EXPLOSIVES OR NARCOTICS,
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN
THERE'S AGENCIES THAT DON'T DO
THAT AT ALL. SO IT'S KIND OF
ACROSS THE BOARD. SOME JUST HAVE
APPREHENSION DOGS, AND SOME JUST
HAVE DETECTION DOGS, SO IT'S
KIND OF A CROSS, OKAY. I JUST I
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT
RIGHT THERE. AND AS FAR AS MY
OTHER COLLEAGUES WITH THE CALL
OFFS, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN AN
AGITATOR WITH THE SLEEVE AND
ACTUALLY HAD THE DOG STOP IN
FRONT OF ME WHEN CALLED OFF, AND
THAT ALSO WILL COME BACK TO A
LOT OF TRAINING AND YOU CAN
OBVIOUSLY TELL WHICH ONE'S
TRAINED WITH THEIR DOGS MORE
OFTEN THAN THAN THOSE THAT DON'T
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT WILL ALSO BE ADDRESSED.
LATER AND UH, CHIEF. YOU ALLUDED
TO THE CANINE AS FAR AS THE MY
COLLEAGUE, GIVING THE EXAMPLE OF
THE CANINE WOULD HOW WOULD THAT
PROCESS GO? I KNOW YOU TALKED
ABOUT POLICY. BUT WOULD YOU GUYS
IMMEDIATELY PULL THAT CAN IN OFF
THE STREET? OR WOULD YOU GUYS
LET IT CONTINUE ITS SHIFT? IF
YOU GUYS FOUND IMMEDIATELY THAT
THERE WAS THERE WAS ANOTHER
BITE. THAT WASN'T UH, WARRANTED.
IF THERE'S A CANINE BITE THAT,
ON ITS FACE APPEARS TO BE
OUTSIDE OF POLICY OR EGREGIOUS
ENOUGH FOR SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO
CAUSE SEVERE INJURY. WE WOULD
PULL THAT CANE AND IN OUR
DEPARTMENT WE WOULD PULL THAT
CAN IN OFF THE STREET UNTIL
WHICH TIME WE COULD CONDUCT A
FULL INVESTIGATION. THANK YOU,
MR BOB. EDU GO AHEAD AND THE ONE
YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
DO IT IN YOUR CLOTHES. WE'RE NOT
MY WHERE MY BUSINESS WANTED TO
RESPOND TO. THE QUESTION AS
WELL. GO AHEAD. YOU WANT TO
HEAR? IN TERMS OF THE CALL OUT
SO, HMM. IT'S ALL OVER SOCIAL
MEDIA AND OTHER PLACES. YOU SEE
MANY INSTANCES WHERE THE DOGS
ARE SENT OUT TO APPREHEND AND
THEY'RE THEY'RE ALREADY BITING
OR THEY'RE NOT BITING, AND
THEY'RE CALLED UP AND THEY DO
NOT RESPOND AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED
TO. UM THERE'S A CASE IN CURRENT
COUNTY. I THINK IT'S ALL OVER
THE MEDIA WORD DEPUTY ACTUALLY
OPENED THE DOOR OF A CANINE
OFFICER. IN THE IN THE CANINE
WHEN BIT A PERSON WHO WAS
ALREADY UNDER ARRESTED IN
HANDCUFFS BASED DOWN FACE DOWN
ON THE CEMENT. UM THROUGHOUT DOG
TRAINING WHEN YOU'RE TRAINING
DOGS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS,
EVEN THE DOG SPORTS THAT
ASSOCIATED POLICE. DOG
CERTIFICATIONS SUCH AS CAN T V
AND SHOOTING AND ALL THESE OTHER
DISCIPLINES ONE OF THE BIGGEST
THINGS YOU SEE, EVEN WITH HIGH
LEVEL TRAINING DOG, HOWEVER,
BOOK TRAINED DOGS IS THEY NEGATE
TO CALL OFF WHEN THEY'RE TOLD TO
OR WHEN THEY TURN THE CORNER AND
THEY FACE FACE FACE UP. UM AND
AGITATOR OR A SUSPECT THEY BITE
ANYWAY. SO DOGS AREN'T COMING.
THEY'RE PRETTY UNPREDICTABLE. I
MEAN, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE
INSTANCES WHERE THERE WAS A
LITTLE BOY BITTEN AT A COMMUNITY
SERVICE EVENT. THE DOG JUST TOOK
OFF AND DID THE LITTLE BOY IN
THE FACE. IT'S ALL OVER SOCIAL
MEDIA. UM THERE WAS A GUY
WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND
OFFICER OPENED THE DOOR OF HIS
PATROL CAR. JUST LET THE DOG AND
THE DOG RAN ACROSS THE STREET
AND BIT HIM, SO HE'S INTERESTED.
THE DOGS ARE BEING CALLED OFF,
BUT THEY'RE STILL BITING. AND
THE CASE IN SAN JOSE, WHICH IS A
BIG ISSUE. THEY'VE SEEN THE DOG
OUT TO FIND THE PERSON WHO'S
GONNA TRASH CAN AND NOT THE
TRASH CAN OVER AND THE DOG BITES
AND LOCKED ONTO THE PERSON'S
THROAT AND FOR OVER A MINUTE FOR
A MINUTE, THE DOG REFUSES TO LET
OFF AND YOU CAN HEAR THE
OFFICERS. SOMEBODY OFFERS
SAYING, OH, MY GOD! AND ONCE THE
DOG REFUSED TO COME OFF AND
CONTINUES TO BITE, THEN THEY
RESORT BACK TO SAYING STOP
RESISTING. HOW DO YOU RESIST
WITH A DOG LOCKED ONTO YOUR
NECK? SO THE DOGS OUT OF CONTROL
. YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE DOG AND
IN MANY SITUATIONS, AND THAT'S
WHY WE'RE SEEING INSTANCES WHERE
POLICE OFFICERS WHEN THEY'RE
ATTACKED BY BY THE BY THE SAME
DOGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY
RESORT TO USING DEADLY FORCE. WE
ONLY RESORT TO USING DEADLY
FORCE AS A RETRAINED TO PREVENT
GREAT BODILY INJURY OR DEATH.
MISS PARKER. MY CHALLENGES THAT
WHILE POST HAS MINIMUM TRAINING
AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR
POLICE CANINES. IT'S VERY CLEAR
THAT THERE IS A HUGE VARIANTS IN
TERMS OF THE DEPLOYMENT
PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES FOR USE
OF CANINES. UM AND THAT IS OF
CONCERN TO ME. WE WANT TO
ESSENTIALLY HAVE THE SAME KIND
OF POLICY APPLICABLE SO THAT IF
I'M IN OAKLAND VERSUS HAYWARD
VERSUS FRESNO AS A CITIZEN. I
CAN UNDERSTAND HOW AND WHEN
CANINE MIGHT BE MIGHT BE
DEPLOYED, AND THEN I JUST WANTED
TO, UH COMMENT ON THE UH,
OPPOSITION'S INITIAL COMMENTS,
AROUNDS BIAS AND THE USE OF BIAS
OR THE SENSE THAT BIAS HAZARD
HAS NOT BEEN FULLY ADDRESSED
HERE. VERY CLEARLY FROM THE DATA
THAT WE HAVE HERE. THERE'S A
DISPROPORTIONATE USE OF AN
EXPERIENCE OF PEOPLE OF COLOR.
BEING THE VICTIM OF. THE USE OF
CANINES AND THAT'S IRREFUTABLE
AND SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE.
SIGNIFICANTLY RECOGNIZED, SO I
I'M A LITTLE, UM SUSPICIOUS OF
THE OF THE COMMENT THAT YOU MADE
RELATED TO THAT. I WILL BE
VOTING FOR THIS BILL. ANY OTHER
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS QUICK. I
JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE AND I WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR BRINGING THE BILL. I
THINK IT'S A RIGHTEOUS BILL AND
IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I AM HOPING
THAT THE AUTHOR WILL WORK WITH
THE OPPOSITION TO MAYBE FOCUS ON
TIGHTENING IT UP A BIT. I'M I'M
NERVOUS ABOUT. UM AND I KNOW
THIS IS THAT THE AUTHORS
INTENDED ALL I'M NERVOUS ABOUT
THE CONTINUATION OF USE OF
CANINE UNITS FOR UM UM YOU KNOW,
FOR SEARCHING FOR BOMBS AND
WEAPONS AND THOSE KINDS OF
THINGS, AND SO IF THERE COULD BE
SOME KIND OF FOCUS ON LEAST
VERSUS UNLEASHED USES OF THE
CANINES THAT I WOULD I WOULD
APPRECIATE THAT SO BUT I WILL BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL TODAY. THANK
YOU. YOU MAY CLOSE. THANK YOU
MEMBERS, VERY ROBUST
CONVERSATION. AND THIS IS WHAT
THIS BILL IS INTENDED TO DO.
WHENEVER WE SEE DATA THAT IS
DISPROPORTIONATE. AND USE
WHENEVER YOU SEE STORIES OF
INNOCENT PEOPLE, UH, BEING, UH,
INJURED WITH LIFELONG INJURIES.
UH, WHENEVER YOU SEE. HMM THAT
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NOT A
STATEWIDE STANDARD IN TERMS OF
HOW WE USE THE USE CANINES. THAT
MEANS THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT
NEEDS TO BE SOLVED. AND FROM OUT
THROUGHOUT THIS TIME. UM, I'VE
GOTTEN MORE UM. DEATH THREATS.
I'VE GOTTEN MORE, UM, THREATS OF
VIOLENCE. BASED UPON LAW
ENFORCEMENT POST ABOUT THIS
BILL. THEN I HAVE RECEIVED ANY
LEGITIMATE UM, SUBSTANTIVE. UM.
OPTIONS FOR AMENDMENTS. SO THE
IDEA IS, IS THAT AND THOSE WHO
KNOW ME KNOW THAT I'M TRYING TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A
BALANCED APPROACH. BUT JUST
TRYING TO KILL THIS BILL IS NOT
GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT IF WE HAVE
SOME THINGS THAT WILL MAKE SURE
I'VE HEARD STORIES OF A CANINE
THAT ACTUALLY SAVED A LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AH BECAUSE
THAT THEY WERE BEING ATTACKED BY
SOMEONE. BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO
CALL ON THE DOG TO SAVE THEM.
LEGITIMATE LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW
TO FIX THAT TO MAKE SURE THOSE
THINGS CAN HAPPEN. 90% OF PEOPLE
WHO SEE THE DOG. OKAY, I WOULD
BE ONE OF THEM. AH ON THE SCENE
THEY GIVE UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T
WANT TO DEAL WITH THE DOG. LET'S
FIND HOW TO FIX THAT, SO THEY
CAN BE ON THE SCENE, BUT WE NEED
TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM BEING
BITTEN IN THESE WAYS. SO IF WE
WANT TO GET TO THE CRUX OF
MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE BOTH
SAFETY AND JUSTICE. I AM ALL FOR
THAT. AND I WILL HAVE AS MANY
MEETINGS SUBSTANTIVE MEETINGS AS
POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
GET THIS RIGHT. RIGHT? BUT WE'RE
GONNA LEAVE IDEOLOGY OFF THE
TABLE. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA
GET ANYWHERE WITH THAT. LET'S
GET TO MAKING SURE THAT BOTH
PEOPLE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
INNOCENT. AND GUILTY. ARE BOTH
TREATED WITH DIGNITY, HUMANITY
RESPECT. AND THAT WE CAN BOTH
HAVE SAFETY AND JUSTICE AT THE
SAME TIME. I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN I VOTE. THANK YOU, AND,
UH, BUT YOU AND I HAVE HAD
SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
THIS, AND I'VE ALSO HAD SEVERAL
CONVERSATIONS WITH CHIEF LUNA.
ON THIS INTER PRACTICES. I KNOW
YOU ARE OPEN. TO SOME KIND OF
STATEWIDE OPPORTUNITY AS THIS,
BARTER SAID, FOR MAYBE A
STATEWIDE POLICY ON THE USE.
CANINES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. I
THINK YOU'RE OPEN TO THAT
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY UM
, THAT WAS SAID EARLIER. WHAT
HAPPENED IN A WORD, MAYBE
DIFFERENT. WHAT HAPPENED IN L. A
CITY WITH HAPPENS, THEN TO LARRY
COUNTY, AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM
TO BE A STATEWIDE PRACTICE
POLICY PROCEDURE FOR HOW TO HOW
TO DEAL WITH THAT, UM AND SO
OBVIOUSLY I WILL BE VOTING YES
TO THAT. BUT I JUST ALSO WANT TO
LEAVE. WITH THE WITH THE
OPPOSITION THAT IF YOU'RE
LISTENING. THE AUTHOR IS WILLING
TO WORK. THROUGH THIS, UM
LEAVING YOU WITH THE USE OF THIS
TOOL. THAT PROBABLY 90. PROBABLY
99% OF WHAT YOU WANT TO USE THIS
TOOL. YOU CAN DO IT. AND THIS
SEARCH AND RESCUE WHERE THERE'S
NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT'S WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET THIS TOOL
LOOSE? IT'S JUST LIKE HAVING A
GUN. GUN BY ITSELF, SITTING ON
THE TABLE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.
IT'S THE PEOPLE. THAT TAKES THE
GUN AND THEN SOMETHING MAY
HAPPEN THAT COULD LEAD TO TRAGIC
EVENTS TRAGIC EVENT THAT
HAPPENED IN OTHER PLACES, SO WE
REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. TO
MAKE SURE THAT NO TRAGEDIES
HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE USE OF
CANINES. AND THE LAST THING I
WOULD JUST JUST JUST TELL UM
INDIVIDUALS. WHEN IT COMES TO,
UM CANINES. MINORITIES. PEOPLE
OF COLOR. UM. MY UNCLE, MY
GRANDFATHER IN LITTLE ROCK,
ARKANSAS, UM, TO THIS DAY HAVE
PROBLEMS WITH POLICE TALKS
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM IN
1957? 58 59 60. WITH POLICE AND
DOGS. WE SOME OF US LEARNED WHAT
WAS GOING ON. AND SO AS YOU LOOK
AT THIS ESTEEMED BODY. MAJORITY
OF US OR PEOPLE OF COLOR. AND
MAY NOT HAVE HAD. GOOD
RELATIONSHIP WITH CANINES. IN
LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND SO THAT'S
WHAT YOU THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
HEARING. AND SO PLEASE TAKE THAT
INTO CONSIDERATION AND REACH
YOUR YOUR YOUR AUDIENCE.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COME AND
BRING PEOPLE UP. TO SPEAK ON
THIS BECAUSE AS I WAS WATCHING
UM, I DIDN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF
PEOPLE OF COLOR OPPOSING THIS.
UM, FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT? AYE. I
SAW A LOT OF DIVERSE PEOPLE FROM
ALL OVER CALIFORNIA THAT
SUPPORTED THE BILL. AND THAT
SHOULD TELL YOU WHERE THE PEOPLE
OF CALIFORNIA WHEN THEY LOOK AT
THIS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT
ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE AN AUTHOR
THERE THAT'S WILLING TO COME UP
WITH A STATEWIDE POLICY. THAT
YOU CAN LIVE WITH AND THAT WE
CAN LIVE WITH. AND I WOULD
ENCOURAGE YOU IF IT GETS OUT OF
THIS. THIS COMMITTEE TO TAKE
FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT. AND TWO
FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS
HAPPEN. BECAUSE WE DO NEED A
STATEWIDE POLICY IN MY OPINION,
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE
BEAUTY OF THIS COMMITTEE WHERE
WE TALK THINGS OUT, AND
HOPEFULLY WE COME UP WITH
SOMETHING. THAT WORKS FOR
EVERYBODY. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN
GET TO THAT. WITH THAT. WHAT DO
WE HAVE? MOST OF THEIR SECOND.
PROBABLY. ON A B 7 42 BYS.
REMEMBER JACKSON. THE MOTION IS
PASSED TO THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE. JOHN SAWYER, GENSLER
ELONIS SNOW BONTA. I BRIAN,
BRIAN, I LACKEY LUCKY NO ORTEGA
OR TAKE A I SANTIAGO SANTIAGO
EISENBERG. SUPER. AYE. THAT
MEASURE PASSES. HMM. NEXT. I
HAVE PHIL TING, BUT HE'S NOT
HERE. THAT DIANE DIXON, I DON'T
SEE HER. SHE'S HERE, HUH? LONG.
I HAVE BEEN TO BOOT. NOT HERE.
SO LOW AND THOUGHTS HERE. YOU
MADE IT. BTW NO, I HAD TO GO. I
HAD TO GO THROUGH THE LIST, SO
THEY KNOW AT LEAST CALLED ALL
THE NAMES. BEFORE WE GOT TO YOU.
AS HE SAID, MR CHAIR. A B 7 TO
5. ITEM NUMBER NINE. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR, AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND
YOU RECEIVED MY BROTHER HERE IN
COMMITTEE LAST WEEK. MY OLDER
BROTHER, THE JUDGE THE JUDGE?
YES THE HONORABLE JUDGE
LOWENTHAL. I APPRECIATE, UH THE
CARE YOU GAVE HIM. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I AM VERY
PLEASED TO PRESENT A B 7 25. AH
THIS IS A COMMON SENSE, BILL. IT
IS CLOSING A LOOPHOLE IN OUR
EXISTING LAWS. IT'S SUPPORTING
RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS IN OUR
STATE. IT'S ALSO SUPPORTING LAW
ENFORCEMENT. IT REQUIRES THE
OWNER OF A FIREARM FRAME OR
RECEIVER TO REPORT THE LOSS OR
THEFT OF THOSE COMPONENTS TO A
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY SO THAT
THEY CAN BE ENTERED INTO THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AUTOMATED
FIREARMS SYSTEM. WHILE FRAMES OR
RECEIVERS ARE CONSIDERED
FIREARMS FOR THE PURPOSE OF
REGISTRATION UNDER CURRENT UNDER
LICENSING UNDER CURRENT LAW,
THEY'RE NOT TREATED AS SUCH,
WHEN IT COMES TO REQUIREMENTS
FOR REPORTING, LOST OR STOLEN
FIREARMS. 87 25 CLOSES THIS
LOOPHOLE BY MAKING FAILURE TO
REPORT A LOST OR STOLEN FRAME OR
RECEIVER THE SAME INFRACTION AS
FAILURE TO REPORT A FIREARM.
FRAMER RECEIVER SERVES AS THE
BASE PLATFORM FOR MOST FIREARMS
AND TYPICALLY HOUSES THE TRIGGER
HAMMER BOLT FIRING PIN WITH SOME
VARIANTS, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE
OF FIREARM. THAT ALLOW THEM TO
OPERATE ONCE ASSEMBLED. SO WHILE
THESE PARTS MAY SEEM INNOCUOUS
ON THEIR OWN, THEY REPRESENT ONE
OF THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS OF
ANY OPERATIONAL FIREARM. I
SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THERE
IS CLEAR REGULATORY DEFINITION
OF FRAMES AND RECEIVERS BY THE
A. T F. REQUIRING ANYONE WHO
OWNS A FRAME OR RECEIVER TO
REPORT THEM TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES IF THEY ARE LOST OR
STOLEN. IS A COMMON SENSE
APPROACH TO ENSURING THAT WE ARE
APPROPRIATELY TRACKING THESE
COMPONENTS THAT CAN BE USED TO
ASSEMBLE IT FULLY OPERATIONAL
FIREARM. FINALLY A B 7 25 IS IN
KEEPING WITH EXISTING GUN LAWS.
UNDER CURRENT LAW, LOST OR
STOLEN FIREARMS MUST BE REPORTED
TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. AND
SO LONG AS THEY ARE REPORTED,
THE OWNER IS NOT IN VIOLATION OF
THE LAW. A B 7 25 SIMPLY
REPRESENTS. AND ADDITIONAL
COMPONENT OF RESPONSIBLE GUN
OWNERSHIP. I'M PLEASED TO BE
JOINED BY BEN RUDIN ON BEHALF OF
THE CONFERENCE OF CALIFORNIA BAR
ASSOCIATIONS, WHO IS HERE TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. YOU HAVE FIVE
MINUTES. THANK YOU, UH, MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR
THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY. AS
YOU SAID, I'M BEN RUDIN ON
BEHALF OF THE CONFERENCE OF
CALIFORNIA, BORIS ASSOCIATIONS
IN SUPPORT OF A B 7 TO 5. THIS
BUILD, REQUIRE GUN OWNERS TO
REPORT NOT ONLY A LOST OR STOLEN
FIREARM, BUT LOST OR STOLEN
FRAME RECEIVER OR PRECURSOR
PART. AH FRAME OR RECEIVER IS
THE PART OF THE GUN THAT HAS THE
FIRING MECHANISM AND IS
CONSIDERED A FIREARM UNDER
FEDERAL LAW AND MOST OF OUR
STATE LAWS. REPORTING A LOST OR
STOLEN FRAME OR RECEIVER OR
PRECURSOR PART CAN HELP PREVENT
GUN TRAFFICKING. SOME BLACK
MARKET GUNS ARE BUILT WITH A
STOLEN FRAME RECEIVER OR
PRECURSOR PART AND THEN SOLD ON
THE BLACK MARKET. BY REPORTING A
LOST OR STOLEN FRAMEWORK
RECEIVER. GUN OWNERS CAN HELP
LAW ENFORCEMENT TRACKED THEM
DOWN SOONER. FURTHERMORE IT CAN
HELP PREVENT ACCIDENTAL
SHOOTINGS IF SOMEONE ELSE FINDS
A LOST FRAME RECEIVER OVER
CURSOR PART AND USE IT TO BUILD
A GUN. THE GUN CAN LACK VALUABLE
SAFETY FEATURES AND RESULT IN AN
ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING. FINALLY
WITH RIGHTS COME
RESPONSIBILITIES, REPORTING A
LOST OR STOLEN FRAME, RECEIVER
OR PRECURSOR PART SHOULD BE
RESPONSIBILITY OF GUN OWNERSHIP.
AS IT'S WITHIN THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF ENSURING
FIREARMS ARE ALWAYS SECURE AND
ACCOUNTED FOR. NOW WHILE I STILL
HAVE TIME, I'M GOING TO ADDRESS
AN ARGUMENT BY THE OPPOSITION IN
ITS LETTER. AH THERE, IT SAID
THE TERM PRECURSOR PART IS SO
VAGUE THAT IT COULD REQUIRE
PEOPLE TO REPORT AS LOST OR
STOLEN. SOMETHING HAS BENIGN AS
A PIN OR A SPRING. LUCKILY THAT
INTERPRETATION DOESN'T FIT
WITHIN THE STATUTORY SCHEME. THE
DEFINITION THAT WE USE IN THIS
BILL IS THE SAME DEFINITION USED
IN MANY OF OUR FIREARMS STATUTES
ALREADY EXAMPLES INCLUDE
REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR
FIREARMS SAFETY CERTIFICATE AND
WAITING 10 DAYS. SO UNLESS THE
OPPOSITION IS GOING TO ARGUE
THAT LET THOSE PEOPLE MIGHT BE
BREAKING THE LAW EVERY TIME.
THEY THEY BUY A PIN OR A SPRING
WITHOUT A BACKGROUND, CHECK.
FIREARMS SAFETY CERTIFICATE AND
WAIT 10 DAYS. OR THEY DON'T WAIT
. 10 DAYS THAT INTERPRETATION
FALLS FLAT. AH FINALLY, THIS
BILL SIMPLY MEANS THAT IF YOU
HAVE TO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK,
GET A FIREARM CITY CERTIFICATE
AND WAIT 10 DAYS TO BUY IT. THEN
YOU HAVE TO REPORT IT LOST OR
STOLEN. IF THAT HAPPENS, IT
DOESN'T EXPAND. UH IT DOESN'T
EXPAND WHAT'S CONSIDERED A
FIREARM COMPARED WITH MANY OF
OUR OTHER STATUTES. THANK YOU
AGAIN AND AGAIN. I VOTE. THANK
YOU. WE'LL HEAR FROM OTHER
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. LET'S BE
AGAIN. PROSECUTORS WINES
CALIFORNIAN SUPPORT. WILL MOVE
TO WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
SEEING NO WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION WILL BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE. I'LL SECOND. ANY
OTHER COMMENTS. MR LOWENTHAL,
YOU MAKE RISK. I RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ON A B 7 25 BY SEVEN
WERE LOWENTHAL. THE MOTION IS
PASSED TO THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE JOHN SAWYER COLONIES.
BANTA PONTA, I BRIAN, BRIAN, I
LACKEY LACKEY. NO ORTEGA.
SANTIAGO. ZIPPER. SUPER. I DON'T
CALL THANK YOU. MEASURES SOME
CALL ANYMORE. THAT MEASURE IS ON
CALL. IT NEEDS TWO VOTES. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WE WILL MOVE
NOW SEEING IN THE ROOM. ME TOO.
I APPRECIATE YOU. SURE. ITEM
NUMBER 19 ABC, 86 TO REBECCA
BAUER-KAHAN.
DO YOU TRAVEL? THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS AND HERE TO
PRESENT A B 8 62. I DON'T KNOW.
MR LACKEY HAS SEEN THIS BILL
MANY TIMES. UM IT IS A SIMPLE
BILL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE
COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO
SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE
LEGISLATURE THAT FOCUSES ON THE
BOARD OF STATE AND COMMUNITY.
CORRECTIONS SUCCESS RATES IN
REDUCING RECIDIVISM 2021 ST AUTO
REPORT FOUND THAT COUNTIES ARE
LACKING IN THEIR OVERSIGHT FOR
REALIGNMENT, SPENDING AND
WITHHOLDING SURPLUS FUNDS THAT
COULD BE USED TO IMPROVE PUBLIC
SAFETY. THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD
FOCUS ON BRINGING FULL
TRANSPARENCY TO THE
REHABILITATIVE EXERCISE AND
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS OFFERED IN
OUR COUNTY JAILS. 88 62 WILL
REQUIRE A STANDARDIZED LOOK AT
THE VALUABLE INFORMATION
PROVIDED BY THE SHERIFF'S ABOUT
THE SUCCESS RATE WITHIN THE
COUNTY JAILS. REHABILITATIVE
SERVICES THROUGH THE USE OF
RECIDIVISM REPORTS, STATE
LEGISLATORS WERE ABLE TO MAKE
LEGISLATIVE DECISIONS THAT WILL
HELP US ENSURE THAT THOSE
PROGRAMS THAT WORK WILL HAPPEN
MORE OFTEN, AND THOSE THAT DON'T
WORK MAYBE WON'T FUND THE BILL
WILL HELP MAINTAIN PUBLIC SAFETY
, REDUCED THE OVERALL SIZE,
INCARCERATED POPULATIONS AND
REDUCE LOCAL CORRECTIONS COSTS
WITH ME TODAY AND SUPPORT OF A B
8 62 IS LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON
WITH THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION, AND THANH
TRAN WITH THE ELEVATOR CENTER
FOR HUMAN RIGHTS. THANK YOU HAVE
FIVE MINUTES BETWEEN YOU THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS TOM
TRAN WITH THE L. A. BAKER CENTER
FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, PRONOUNCING
HIM POLICY ASSOCIATE AND A B 8
62 IS ABOUT COLLECTING DATA SO
WE CAN BEST SERVE OUR
COMMUNITIES BY MAKING SURE THAT
WE ARE SPENDING MONEY ON
RESOURCES THAT ACTUALLY WORK
RIGHT RESOURCES THAT ARE
ACTUALLY STOPPING THE CYCLE OF
HUMANS COMING IN AND OUT OF OUR
COUNTY JAILS AND THEN EITHER
DYING OR GRADUATING TO PRISON.
SO THIS IS A VERY COMMON SENSE,
BILL. IF YOU PAY AN ELECTRICIAN
TO FIX YOUR LIGHTS, YOU WANT TO
KNOW IF YOUR LIGHTS GOT FIXED.
AND IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT HERE.
WE INVEST THE MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS INTO REHABILITATION IN
COUNTY JAILS, AND WE JUST WANT
TO KNOW IF FOLKS ARE GETTING
REHABILITATED. THAT'S SIMPLY
WHAT THIS DATA BILL IS TRYING TO
DO. SO I SPENT 2.5 YEARS
INCARCERATED IN SANTA CLARA
COUNTY JAIL. AND 80% OF THAT 2.5
YEARS INCARCERATED IN SANTA
CLARA COUNTY JAIL. I SPENT
LOCKED DOWN INSIDE OF A CELL.
PROGRAMMING WAS NOT INCENTIVIZED
, OR WAS IT OR WAS IT A
PRIORITY? WE GOT ON AVERAGE
ABOUT 1 TO 2 HOURS A DAY OUTSIDE
OF OURSELVES. I LEARNED ALSO IN
COUNTY THAT THE MAJORITY OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE INCARCERATED WITH
ME IN THAT COUNTY JAIL WE'RE
GOING THROUGH EITHER A MENTAL
HEALTH CRISIS OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE
CRISIS AND THESE WERE THE PEOPLE
WHO TENDED TO CYCLE IN AND OUT
OF THE JAIL REGULARLY, SO I
UNDERSTAND. OFFERING SERVICES IN
JAILS IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. I
UNDERSTAND THAT JAILS ARE NOT
CENTERS FOR HEALING OR SUPPORT,
HOWEVER. IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT
THAT IF A PERSON GETS TO A POINT
WHERE THEY ARE COMMITTING A
CRIME IN GETTING INCARCERATED IF
THEY GET TO THAT POINT WHERE
THEY'RE IN THE STATES CARE WE
HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES. WHY. WE
HAVE TO ASK YOURSELVES WHAT
HAPPENED TO THIS PERSON AND NOT
SIMPLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS
PERSON, BECAUSE EVERY PERSON WHO
DOES NOT COME BACK TO COUNTY
JAIL IS A PERSON WHO IS NOT
COMMITTING CRIMES AND THAT IS
PUBLIC SAFETY. SO LASTLY, I WANT
TO SAY NO PROGRAM, NO COUNTY, NO
COUNTRY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL
WITHOUT DATA. IF WE DO NOT KNOW
WHAT IS WORKING OR NOT WORKING,
WE CANNOT FILL THE GAPS TO SEE
WHAT WILL ULTIMATELY STOP PEOPLE
FROM COMMITTING CRIMES AND
CROWDING OUR JAILS AND PRISONS.
SO AS CONSCIENTIOUS PROBLEM
SOLVERS THAT WE ARE AS
RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS OF
CALIFORNIA'S TAX DOLLARS ARE
EMPLOYED. YOU PLEASE PASS THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS.
GOOD MORNING, UM, COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LESLIE
CALDWELL. HOUSTON I HAVE NEARLY
40 YEARS OF WORK WITHIN INDIGENT
DEFENSE, AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO
BE HERE TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
OF A B 862 OFFERED BY ASSEMBLY
MEMBER FARRAKHAN. WHERE IS THE
SOCIETY ARE ALWAYS CALLING FOR
DATA AS IT'S HOW WE KNOW WHAT
WORKS. AND WHAT DOES NOT
REQUIRING SHERIFFS TO REPORT THE
NATURE OF THEIR ANTI RECIDIVISM
PROGRAMS. AND THE PROGRAM
SUCCESS RATE IN REDUCING
RECIDIVISM CAN TELL US WHAT IS
WORKING AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE
CHANGED OR REWORKED. WE KNOW
THAT RECIDIVISM CAN BE REDUCED
BY ADDRESSING THE CRIMINAL GENIC
NEEDS OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AS
PUBLIC DEFENDERS. WE ALWAYS
ENCOURAGED OUR CLIENTS TO
PARTICIPATE AND COMPLETE
SUCCESSFUL IN ANY PROGRAMS THAT
WERE AVAILABLE TO THEM WITHOUT
DATA. WE DON'T KNOW DEFINITIVELY
WHAT IS TRULY SUCCESSFUL IN THE
ENDEAVORS TO REDUCE RECIDIVISM.
LOCAL SHERIFFS ARE RESPONSIBLE
FOR PROVIDING THESE IMPORTANT
SERVICES LOOKING AT SUCCESS
RATES WILL ASSIST LOCAL
AUTHORITIES IN DETERMINING HOW
TO BEST DISTRIBUTE OUR RESOURCES
BECAUSE IT'S THE SHERIFF'S THAT
PROVIDE THE SERVICES. WE NEED
THEIR DATA THAT THIS BILL'S
REQUIREMENTS ARE CRITICAL. TO
THE OVERALL SUCCESS IN REDUCING
RECIDIVISM RATES. THEREFORE, WE
URGE YOUR YES. VOTE. THANK YOU.
ANY OF THE WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
NAME AND ORGANIZATION. DANA
CORRODE ARMEL ON BEHALF OF
INITIATE JUSTICE. THANK YOU. ANY
OTHER WITNESSES, THEN? UH,
PORTS. SO MANY CAN STATE POLICY
DIRECTOR FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO
PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. GERONIMO
AGUILAR, POLICY ANALYST WITH
LEGAL SERVICES FOR PRISONERS
WITH CHILDREN AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. LISTEN MORE
ELDER FREEMAN POLICY, FELLOW
LEGAL SERVICES PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
TATYANA LOUIS WITH ALL OF US AND
THEN IN STRONG SUPPORT. JOANNE
SHARE WITH FELONY MURDER
ELIMINATION PROJECT IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NO WITNESSES
IN UP POSITION. MR CELSO. HELLO
GOOD MORNING. GOOD TO SEE YOU
AGAIN. GOOD MORNING. MORNING MR
CHAIR MEMBERS. COREY SELLS VILLA
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
STATE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. THIS IS
THE THIRD VERSION OF THIS BILL,
I THINK AND SEVERAL OTHERS HAVE
PRECEDED IT. UM SHERIFFS ACROSS
THE STATE PROVIDE MEANINGFUL
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAM TO JAIL
INMATES WITH THE DESIRE TO
ENHANCE REENTRY INTO SOCIETY. WE
BE OFFENDERS THAT COMING TOWARDS
YOU. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO COME
BACK. THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM
LINE. UNFORTUNATELY THE BILL IS
AMBIGUOUS. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT
THAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO KNOWING.
OUTCOMES ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT
WE OFFER. UM IT'S THE BILL JUST
SAYS RECIDIVISM RATES, AND IT
DEFINES WHAT RECIDIVISM IS. WE
HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHEN
SOMEBODY RECITED BATES,
PARTICULARLY OUTSIDE OF A
PARTICULAR COUNTY. SO IF I WORK
AT THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY JAIL,
AND I KNOW THAT JOHN SMITH IS IN
MY CUSTODY. AND HE GETS A
PROGRAM AND HE RECITED BAITS AND
HE COMES BACK TO THE L. A COUNTY
JAIL. I CAN MEASURE THAT. I KNOW
THAT. BUT IF JOHN SMITH. IS IN
MY JAIL AND GOES THROUGH A
PROGRAM AND GETS OUT. AND THEN
MOVES TO FRESNO COUNTY AND
RECIDIVISTS AND ENDS UP IN THE
FRESNO COUNTY JAIL. OR IN STATE
PRISON. I DON'T KNOW THAT I
DON'T HAVE A WAY OF KNOWING THAT
SHORT OF CALLING THE FRESNO
COUNTY SHERIFF AND GETTING LUCKY
AND SAYING, HEY, BY ANY CHANCE
OF JOHN SMITH BEEN IN YOUR JAIL
THERE'S NO ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF
THERE'S A THERE'S A LACK OF
AVAILABLE WAYS OF TRACKING THIS
INFORMATION. RIGHT WRONG OR
INDIFFERENT. THAT'S JUST THE
REALITY OF THIS BILL HAS BEEN
VETOED. GOVERNOR SAID LAST YEAR.
THIS IS OVERLY BROAD CREATES A
LARGE MANDATE, POTENTIALLY
COSTING THE STATE MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS WERE NOT IN ANY BETTER
FISCAL POSITION THIS YEAR THAN
WE WERE LAST YEAR. AH ON THE
NOTION OF REALIGNMENT AND THE
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMS THAT
SHERIFFS ARE PROVIDING. WE SEE
THE VALUE IN PROVIDING THOSE
PROGRAMS. WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO
THAT. BUT WE DID NOT ASK FOR THE
OBLIGATION TO SUPERVISE THE
POPULATION THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT HERE. THE REALIGNED
POPULATION. OKAY SO THIS IS NOT
. IT'S NOT LIKE THE STATE IS
MAKING AN INVESTMENT BY GIVING
THE COUNTY'S MONEY FOR
REALIGNMENT. THAT WAS PART OF
THE DEAL. THE DEAL WAS YOU TAKE
ALL OF THESE PEOPLE AND PUT THEM
IN YOUR JAILS AND YOU SUPERVISE
THEM ON PROBATION AND IN
CONNECTION WITH THAT WE WILL
PROVIDE YOU THE FUNDING BECAUSE
WE THINK YOU CAN DO IT CHEAPER
AND BETTER THAN THE STATE. WE
WERE AROUND FOR THAT RIGHT? SO
THAT WAS THE DEAL, SO IT'S NOT
LIKE THE STATE IS SAYING, HEY,
HERE'S YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF
MONEY. GO DO GOOD STUFF WITH IT.
AND WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE
GOING TO SPEND YOUR MONEY, BUT
WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT
WE DO WITH IT OR HOW GOOD OF A
JOB WE DO WITH IT. THAT'S NOT
THE CASE, SO I JUST NEED TO BE
CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
OFFENDERS WHO WE NOW SUPERVISE
PRIOR OR SUBSEQUENT TO
REALIGNMENT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE
BEFORE. UM SO AND AT THIS BILL.
THE PREDECESSORS. NONE OF THEM
HAVE MONEY ATTACHED TO IT. YOU
KNOW, YOU SIT ON THE
SUBCOMMITTEE THAT IS APPROPRIATE
TO THIS. UM AS DO OTHERS, AND I
KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THAT
CONVERSATION BEFORE. BUT BUT
NONE OF THOSE BILLS. HAVE HAD
MONEY. THIS BILL DOESN'T HAVE
MONEY. SO IF IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
WE DO THAT, I THINK WE OUGHT TO
HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT ANYWAY
. FOR THOSE REASONS WE ASK, YOU
KNOW, VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
ANY OTHER IN OPPOSITION? SEEN.
NONE WILL BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. ANY
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? BLACK.
YEAH, THIS IS, UH, INTERESTING.
DISCUSSION AND ONE THAT I
BELIEVED IN FOR A LONG TIME THAT
DESERVES RECOGNITION. AND NEED
WE DESERVE A BETTER METRIC. WE
DESERVE TO KNOW. WHAT LEVEL OF
SUCCESS BECAUSE I WOULD TELL YOU
SOMETHING. FROM A PERSONAL SIDE.
AYE. I WAS VERY, VERY
DISCOURAGED IN BELIEVING IN
REHABILITATION. BEING A LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL. ALL YOU
SEE IS FAILURE AFTER FAILURE
AFTER FAILURE AFTER FAILURE. SO
I HAD THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO
GO TO THE PRISON. UM, AS ELECTED
OFFICIAL. AND I MADE
ARRANGEMENTS TO MEET WITH L
WASPS. THAT'S LIFE WITHOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE. AND THE
REASON FOR MEETING WITH THEM.
THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO HAD
INDICATED THAT THEY WANTED TO
CHANGE. AND WITHIN THE
INSTITUTION. THE BEST THING THEY
COULD HOPE FOR IS AN HONOR CAMP.
AND SO I WAS MEETING WITH THESE
INDIVIDUALS. AS A WHITE
REPUBLICAN. LAW ENFORCEMENT
PERSON. SO THERE WAS NO HOLDS
BAR. THEY HAD NOTHING TO GAIN BY
GIVING ME MISINFORMATION. AND I
MET WITH IT WAS ABOUT A DOZEN OF
THEM. AND IN MY DISCUSSION WITH
THEM. I TOLD THEM THE REASON WHY
I WAS THERE AS I WANTED TO
BELIEVE. AND CHANGE OF HEART.
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE MORE
HARDENED CRIMINALS RARELY, IF
EVER. REALLY REHABILITATE. AND I
WOULD TELL YOU THAT I WAS
CONVINCED THAT EVERY ONE OF
THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT I SPOKE
TO HAD A CHANGE OF HEART. AND
THEY WEPT AND THESE WERE PEOPLE
WHO IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS
MONSTERS AND SAID THAT THEY
DESERVE TO BE IN CUSTODY. UM AND
WHY OUR INSTITUTION DOESN'T USE
PEOPLE LIKE THAT TO HELP. I
DON'T KNOW. I'M TRYING TO MAKE
THAT. ACTUALLY HAPPENED BECAUSE
THEY ARE THE BEST TRUSTED
ADVOCATES OUR SOCIETY COULD EVER
HOPE FOR. BUT I DO BELIEVE IN
CHANGE, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE
NEED TO BE BETTER AT TRYING TO
ENCOURAGE POSITIVE OUTCOMES. I
DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME
THAT WILL NOT CHANGE TO HAVE NO
DESIRE TO EVER CHANGE. BUT THAT
SHOULD NOT STOP OUR EFFORT THAT
SHOULD NOT KEEP US FROM TRYING
TO BE COMPELLING AND TO TRY TO
TRACK AND WE NEED A METRIC TO NO
SUCCESS BECAUSE ALL WE SEEM TO
HEAR ABOUT OUR FAILURES AND
FAILURES OR SOMETHING TO PAY
ATTENTION TO AS WELL. I'M NOT
SAYING THAT THAT IS THAT THEY
ARE NOT, BUT LET'S ALSO TRACK
SUCCESS. RIGHT AND SO WE CAN
KNOW WHERE WE ARE FAILING IN
THIS SYSTEM BECAUSE I BELIEVE
THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE FAILURE
THAN THERE IS SUCCESS. BUT THAT
DOES NOT I MEAN, I'M A SUPER
MINORITY MEMBER IF I IF I
MEASURED MY VALUE ON SUCCESS I'M
TELLING YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHY I
WOULD BE SITTING HERE. SO I'M
JUST TRYING TO BE HONEST WITH
EVERYBODY. THIS IS A GOOD
MEASURE. THIS IS SOMETHING AND I
KNOW THERE ARE FINANCIAL
CHALLENGES WENT, AREN'T THERE?
RIGHT AND SO TO KILL SOMETHING
BECAUSE MONEY IS SCARCE.
SOMETIMES MAYBE MAYBE THAT WOULD
BE THE PATH BUT I WOULD SAY IN
2018. I HAD A SIMILAR BILL, AND
IT WENT THE DIRECTION THAT I
HOPE THIS DOES NOT GO. WE NEED
THIS KIND OF THING AND THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD AND YOU
CLEARLY HAVE MY SUPPORT. YES, MR
BRYANT. I FULLY AGREE WITH MR
LACKEY WON'T. AH, YEAH, I AGREE
WITH MR LEONARD. I'M GLAD I
COULD BRING YOU TOGETHER.
SPARTA. YEAH WELL SPEAKING AS
THE OTHERS REFERENCED AS THE
CHAIR OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
SUBCOMMITTEE I CERTAINLY AGREE
WITH MR LACKEY AS WELL. WE
ACTUALLY HAVE. I FOUND A LOT OF
COMMON GROUND IN OUR
SUBCOMMITTEE BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE
RELATED TO THIS VERY SAME THING
, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE
ADDITIONAL TRANSPARENCY. UH AND
INFORMATION AND DATA TO BE ABLE
TO INFORM THE DECISIONS THAT WE
NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE. AND
THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, IS
INVESTMENTS. AND AN OPPORTUNITY
TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHETHER OR
NOT THE REHABILITATION PROGRAMS
AND, UH, AND PROGRAMS THAT WE
ARE. FOCUSED ON TO REDUCE THEIR
CITIZENS. RECIDIVISM ARE
EFFECTIVE AND TO WHAT EXTENT
THEY ARE ACTUALLY BEING UTILIZED
. THERE'S NO BETTER USE OF OUR
FUNDS THAN TO ENSURE THAT WE
ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO
MEASURE OUR PROGRESS AND SUCCESS
. UM WITH LEGISLATION AS THIS
DOES THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE
TO UNDERSTAND IN TOTALITY IN THE
AGGREGATE. WHAT WHAT WE ARE
LOOKING AT I C ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
DIXON RIGHT OVER YOUR SHOULDER
THERE WHO HAD LEGISLATION THAT
WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME BUT WAS
MUCH MORE SPECIFIC TO THE
INDIVIDUAL WHICH I FOUND SOME
PRIVACY ISSUES WITH THIS, UH,
BILL DOES NOT PROPOSE TO DO
THAT. IT REALLY IS TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND. WHAT IS HAPPENING AT
EACH FACILITY? UM, AND I
APPRECIATE THAT. UM, AND THE
AUTHOR IS MOVED TO THAT. AND IF
YOU ARE SEEKING CO AUTHORS, I
WOULD LOVE TO COOPERATE THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS.
WITH THAT YOU MAKE CLOTHES. I AM
JUST GONNA LET MR BRIAN MR
LACKEYS WORDS CLOSE. THANK YOU.
RESPECT LAST DRIVE IT AND I WANT
TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS,
UH, AS, UH, THE OPPOSITION
POINTED OUT, CALLING COREY
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER FOR
SO LONG. UM WHEN WE FOISTED
EVERYBODY DOWN TO THE LOCAL
LEVEL, UM, THE NUMBERS WITH LIKE
100 AND 60,000 THEY'RE
INCARCERATED IS NOW IN THE
NINETIES. WE NEED TO KNOW.
BETTER OR WORSE. IF WE'RE GOING
TO BE HONEST WITH ONE ANOTHER
HONEST ABOUT PROP 47-57
REHABILITATION, WE NEED TO KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE
INDIVIDUALS. WHERE DID THEY GET
INTO A REHABILITATION PROGRAMS?
THE REASON WHY THE NUMBER IS NOT
JUMPING UP BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING
WELL. UM DO NOT DOING WELL. WE
NEED TO FIND OUT WHY SO WE CAN
MAKE CORRECTIONS TO THAT. AND SO
I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO FUND IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN UNFUNDED
MANDATE, SOME COMING FROM LOCAL
GOVERNMENT. UM BUT MOST
IMPORTANT, UM, IF WE FIND
PROGRAMS ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL, WE
NEED TO CONTINUE TO FUND THOSE
BECAUSE THERE'S AN R O. I RETURN
ON INVESTMENT. WE'RE LOOKING AT
ABOUT 230. MILLION IF WE CLOSE
10 PRISONS RIGHT NOW. THINK
ABOUT IF WE COULD CLOSE MORE
ENSURING THAT THE PUBLIC IS SAFE
AND THAT PEOPLE DON'T FACILITATE
AND DO MORE DAMAGE. HOW MUCH
MORE MONEY WE CAN SAY TAXPAYERS
AND I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE
ON THE SAME PAGE. IT WITH WITH
THE OPPOSITION THAT THAT WE JUST
NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE
RESOURCES TO DO IT AND WHAT
BOTHERS ME AND I'VE SAID THIS A
MILLION TIMES THAT WE CAN FIND
OUT THAT INFORMATION IF WE CUT
ACROSS AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST
WHERE WE CAN HELP. LINES TO GIVE
LAW ENFORCEMENT THE TOOLS TO BE
ABLE TO GIVE US THAT INFORMATION
OR HEAVEN, ANOTHER GROUP TO DO
IT, BECAUSE FAR AS I'M
CONCERNED, IF YOU JUST CHECK
PEOPLE'S FRANCHISE STATE
FRANCHISE TAX RECORDS. IF
THEY'RE WORKING EVERY DAY.
HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T LOOK TOO
TIRED TO GO OUT AND CREATE
MAYHEM AND PROBLEMS IF THEY'RE
WORKING EVERY MONDAY THROUGH
FRIDAY. HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GOOD
CITIZENS, AND I WOULD THINK THE
MAJORITY OF THEM IF THEY HAVE A
STEADY JOB. WHICH CARRIES
POVERTY AND OTHER PROBLEMS THAT
THEY WON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT,
AND THAT'S AN EASY THINK ABOUT
IT. IT'S AN EASY FIX. BUT AS AS
THE OPPOSITION SAID, THEY MAY
NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, OR WE
MAY HAVE SOME CONSTITUTIONAL
BARRIERS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE
THAT. MAYBE WE NEED TO ALSO HELP
WITH YOUR BILL TO ELIMINATE SOME
OF THOSE CONSTITUTIONAL BARRIERS
SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT
INFORMATION READILY AND EASILY.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY
WE CAN INSTANTANEOUSLY. GET THAT
INFORMATION SO THAT IT'S NOT A
WHOLE LOT OF STAFF. HOURS. UM,
ON AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, AND SO I
PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AS A
POSSIBLE SOLUTION AS YOU.
HOPEFULLY THIS MOVES FORWARD, SO
WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER TO GET
THIS DONE AND LISTEN TO WHAT?
WHAT THEY WHAT? THE LOCAL
ENTITIES NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE
SUCCESSFUL. YES THIS IS A POLICY
COMMITTEE. UM THE MONEY PART
WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH LATER
WHEN IT WHEN WE COME OVER THERE,
BUT WE'LL DEAL WITH IT WHEN IT
GETS THERE IF IT GETS OUT OF
HERE BUT THEIR EMOTIONS. IS
THERE A MOTION? THANK YOU YOUR
SECOND, MR BRIAN SECONDED. OKAY
WE HAVE A BIPARTISAN MOTION AND
SECOND CALL THE ROLL 8 62 BY
SOME MEMBER BARRICADES ON THE
MOTION IS PASSED TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOHN
SAWYER. I ELONIS. AYE BONTA, I
BRIAN. BRIAN I LAKI BLACKIE. I
ORTEGA ORTEGA I SANTIAGO. ZIPPER
ZIPPER? AYE. THE MEASURE PASSES
. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A HALF
HOUR BEFORE. BECAUSE SO. MR TING
HERE? NO Ó, YOUR TIMING IS
IMPECCABLE. MY EARS WERE
BURNING. SO UM, WE'RE GONNA
RESET REALLY CLOSE. TO NOON AND
THEN COME BACK AGAIN. SO THOSE
OF YOU WHO ARE WAITING? WE MAY
NOT GET TO YOU UNTIL AFTER WITH
11 30. AND ACROSS THE WAY THE
ROOM 1 27. SO DEPENDING ON HOW
LONG MR TING'S IS THIS MAY BE
THE LAST ONE. GO AHEAD. OKAY
IT'S A SHORT MR PATTERSON IS
AFTER THAT. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
MAYBE 881 IS MY BE THE JURY BILL
THAT BUILDS ON A PILOT THAT I
DID FOR SAN FRANCISCO TO ALLOW
SAN FRANCISCO THE ABILITY TO
PRIVATELY RAISED FUNDS TO PAY
JURORS TO PAY LOW INCOME JURORS
OR WORKING WORKING FAMILY JURORS
, UH MORE MONEY FROM $15 TO
$100. THE PILOT'S BEEN SO
SUCCESSFUL I WOULD LIKE TO
EXPAND THAT THROUGHOUT THE STATE
. TOO OFTEN, OUR JURIES DO NOT
REFLECT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM
, WHO ARE IN THE SYSTEM. WE
ALWAYS SAY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO
HAVE A JURY OF YOUR PEERS. MOST
OFTEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE
FACING CRIMINAL TRIAL AND YOU
HAVE A JURY THAT DOESN'T REALLY
LOOK LIKE THEM OR REPRESENT THEM
TOO OFTEN. WE HAVE WORKING
PEOPLE WHO TAKE FINANCIAL
HARDSHIP BECAUSE OF THE FACT
THAT WE'RE ONLY PAYING THEM $15
A DAY. WE EXCUSE THEM. BUT WHAT
HAPPENS IS JURORS ARE NOT
DIVERSE, AND THEY DON'T REALLY
REPRESENT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
FACING POTENTIAL COURT CASES. SO
JUST FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER WE DID
THE PILOT, AND THE NUMBERS ARE
STILL COMING IN BECAUSE IT'S A
REAL TIME PILOT IN SAN FRANCISCO
, WE FOUND THAT THE JURY POOL
BECAME MUCH MORE DIVERSE 68% OF
THE PEOPLE IDENTIFIED AS PEOPLE
OF COLOR 81% OF PEOPLE SAID THEY
WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
PARTICIPATE WITHOUT FINANCIAL
ASSISTANCE. UH FROM THE PILOT,
AND SO WE WERE VERY PLEASED WITH
THE RESULTS, AND WE'RE STILL
GETTING MORE DATA, BUT IT'S
CLEAR THAT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY
CRITICAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ACTUALLY DO FULFILL OUR PROMISE
TO ALLOW PEOPLE A JURY OF THEIR
PEERS WITH THAT. I HAVE ONE
WITNESS. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME
IS MICHELLE LAU AND I'M THE
SENIOR MANAGER OF THE SAN
FRANCISCO FINANCIAL JUSTICE
PROJECT IN THE TREASURER'S
OFFICE. I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK
IN SUPPORT OF A B 881 B, THE
JURY CALIFORNIA AND TO SHARE OUR
EXPERIENCE IMPLEMENTING THE SAN
FRANCISCO BE THE JURY PILOT
PROGRAM BY INCREASING JURY PAY
FOR CRIMINAL CASES TO $100 PER
DAY OF JURY SERVICE FOR LOW TO
MODERATE INCOME CALIFORNIANS. A
B 881 WOULD ENSURE THAT ALL
CALIFORNIANS HAVE ACCESS TO A
JURY OF THEIR PEERS, WHICH IS
REQUIRED BY OUR CONSTITUTION,
AND IT'S THE BEDROCK OF OUR
JUSTICE SYSTEM. RAISING JURY PAY
HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A
SOLUTION TO IMPROVE OUR JUSTICE
SYSTEM FOR MANY YEARS. IN A
REPORT BY THE JUDICIAL COUNCIL,
THEY FOUND THAT FINANCIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE TOP
REASON PEOPLE WERE GRANTED
FINANCIAL HARDSHIP EXCUSES. THIS
BILL BUILDS ON A SUCCESSFUL
PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE
IMPLEMENTED IN SAN FRANCISCO
ALONG WITH ALL OF OUR JUSTICE
PARTNERS AT SAN FRANCISCO
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE
PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, THE
BAR ASSOCIATION AND THE SUPERIOR
COURT IN SAN FRANCISCO. IT'S
UNUSUAL TO HAVE THE D A AND
PUBLIC DEFENDER ON THE SAME SIDE
OF AN ISSUE. BUT THIS BILL IS
ONE OF THOSE RARE CASES WHERE
EVERYONE AGREES. THAT FAIRNESS
AND EQUITY ARE CRITICAL TO
HAVING A STRONG JUSTICE SYSTEM
AND JURY. DIVERSITY IS CORE TO
THAT, UM ARE DEA AND PUBLIC
DEFENDER BOTH SENT
REPRESENTATIVES HERE TODAY
BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH AN
IMPORTANT BILL FOR OUR JUSTICE
SYSTEM. WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM
DHS AND PUBLIC DEFENDERS ACROSS
THE STATE THAT THIS IS SORELY
NEEDED. UM IN THE SAN FRANCISCO
PILOT PROGRAM. WE WANTED TO TEST
IF RAISING JURY PAY FROM $15 PER
DAY TO $100 PER DAY, TWO FOR LOW
TO MODERATE INCOME JURORS WOULD
MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE
ECONOMIC AND RACIAL DIVERSITY OF
JURIES. WE HAVE NOW HAD THE
PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING FOR A
YEAR, AND THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN
VERY PROMISING. UM, AS THE
MEMBER CITED THE VAST MAJORITY
OF PARTICIPANTS, 81% OF PEOPLE
SAID THEY COULD NOT HAVE SERVED
WITHOUT THE $100 PER DAY
STIPEND. PARTICIPANTS REFLECT
THE RACIAL DEMOGRAPHICS OF OUR
AT LARGE SAN FRANCISCO
POPULATION AND FEEDBACK FROM
PEOPLE HAS BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY
POSITIVE PEOPLE REPORT HAVING
LEARNED MORE ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF JURY SERVICE AND
ENCOURAGED THE CONTINUATION OF
THE PROGRAM FOR THEIR FOR OTHER
JURORS. PARTICIPANTS ALSO HAVE
HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF JUST UNDER
$40,000 ON AVERAGE, WHICH MEANS
THE PROGRAM IS INDEED SERVING
PEOPLE WHO NEED THE STIPEND, THE
MOST IN TERMS OF ADMINISTRATION
. IT'S BEEN A SMOOTH PROCESS. WE
WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR COURT TO
BUILD INFORMATION ABOUT THE JURY
INTO THEIR PROCESSES, ENSURE
THAT WE GOT THE WORD OUT ABOUT
THE PROGRAM AND STREAMLINE THE
APPLICATION PROCESS, SO THAT'S
NOT BURDENSOME FOR PEOPLE
APPLYING OR FOR THE COURTS TO
REVIEW. AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO
SHARE ALL OF OUR MATERIALS WITH
OTHER COUNTY COURTS SO THAT
EVERYONE IN CALIFORNIA HAS
ACCESS TO A JURY OF THEIR PEERS.
LASTLY, I WANTED TO SHARE A
DIRECT QUOTE FROM A JUROR WHO
PARTICIPATED IN B. THE JURY ONE,
SITA SAID. BE THE JURY MADE IT
POSSIBLE FOR ME TO SERVE AS A
JUROR WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT
WHETHER I CAN AFFORD MEALS OR
MEET MY BASIC NEEDS. HE ALSO
EXPLAINED HOW THIS PROGRAM HAS
DEMONSTRATED OUR COMMITMENT TO
BUILDING A MORE INCLUSIVE AND
JUST LEGAL SYSTEM. WE'RE VERY
EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF
EXPANDING THIS IMPACTFUL PROGRAM
STATEWIDE. THANK YOU TO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TANK FOR
INTRODUCING THIS IMPORTANT
LEGISLATION, AND I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU.
MOVIE BILL. SECOND UM ANY OTHER
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. LESBIAN
PROSECUTORS ALLIANCE OF
CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT. DANICA
RIGHT ARM ON BEHALF OF INITIATE
JUSTICE AND LAWYERS COMMITTEE
FOR CIVIL RIGHTS OF THE SAN
FRANCISCO BAY AREA. MELISSA COZY
WITH CALIFORNIA INTERCITY FOR
JUSTICE AND SUPPORT JOHN VASQUEZ
ON THE COMMUNITY'S NIGHT FOR
RESTORING JUSTICE AND SUPPORT.
IVANA GONZALES WITH LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN, THE COALITION FOR
FAMILY UNITY IN FULL SUPPORT.
MELANIE KIM, SAN FRANCISCO
PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, CO
SPONSOR AND SUPPORT AND ON
BEHALF OF THE FOLLOWING
ORGANIZATIONS. A C L U
CALIFORNIA ACTION FAIR CHANCE
PROJECT SAFE RETURN PROJECT
GLIDE COALITION, A HOMELESSNESS
HOME RISE, FRANCISCO FINANCIAL
JUSTICE PROJECT CO SPONSOR
SENATOR CRUZ BARRIOS UNIDOS
YOUNG WOMEN'S FREEDOM CENTER
ELLA BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN
RIGHTS. SISTER WARIS FREEDOM
COALITION. ASIAN AMERICANS
ADVANCING JUSTICE, SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA, CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION
COMMUNITIES UNITED FOR
RESTORATIVE YOUTH JUSTICE
CONFERENCE OF CALIFORNIA BAR
ASSOCIATIONS. DRUG POLICY
ALLIANCE HOME RISE LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN, PROSECUTORS ALLIANCE,
UNIVERSITY OF SAN FRANCISCO
SCHOOL OF LAW RACIAL JUSTICE
CLINIC, THE SAN FRANCISCO BOARD
OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, CARMEN NICOLE
COX ON BEHALF OF A CEO, YOU
CALIFORNIA ACTION AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. HERE ON
BEHALF OF LEGAL SERVICES FOR
PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN. THANK
YOU. KIM STONE STONE ADVOCACY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
AND SUPPORT. ALICE MICHAEL ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. ANALISA RUIZ ON BEHALF
OF YOUNG WOMAN'S FREEDOM CENTER
AND SISTER WARRIORS, SAN JOSE
CHAPTER IN SUPPORT. TATYANA
LEWIS ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US OR
NONE AND STRONG SUPPORT. ALYSSA
MORE LEGAL SERVICES FOR
PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN AND FULL
SUPPORT. LAURENCE COX. ALL OF US
ARE NON LEGAL SERVICES PRINTED
WITH CHILDREN AND SUPPORT. DR
RAYMOND ROSS ON BEHALF OF SAN
FRANCISCO DISTRICT ATTORNEY
BROOKE JENKINS. AND VERY STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ANY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION? ANY
WITNESSES NOT POSITION. CNN
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
SEE NONE. YOU MAY CLOSE. I VERY
MUCH APPRECIATE THE HELP WITH
THE COMMITTEE. APPRECIATE ALL
THE SPONSORS DISRESPECT, THAT'S
RIGHT. BUT THANK YOU. CHAIRS.
RECOMMEND I VOTE. I THINK THERE
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CALL THE ROLL. MAYBE 881 BY
SEVEN MEMBER TAKING. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASSED TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOAN
SAWYER I COLONIES. BONTA
CONTENT. I, BRIAN. BLACKIE
BLACKIE. NO, ORTEGA. ORTEGA I
SANTIAGO. UBER ZIPPER? AYE
MEMBERS ON CALL WE NEED THANK
YOU. ONE MORE MEMBER. WITH
DIXON. GOOD MORNING. GOOD
MORNING. THANK YOU. ARE WE
READY? WHENEVER YOU'RE YOU HAVE
LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE
COMING UP. ALL RIGHT, YOU HAVE
YOU HAVE FRIENDS. COME ON, OKAY
, OK. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I
THINK WE'RE ALL HERE. NUMBER 12
A B 758 IS CORRECT. GOOD MORNING
. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. I'M HERE TODAY TO
PRESENT ASSEMBLY BILL 758. A
FORM OF GUN CONTROL. A B 758
CREATES AN ENHANCEMENT FOR THE
POSSESSION OR USE OF AN UNSEEN
SERIALIZED GUN, ALSO KNOWN AS A
GHOST GUN AT THE TIME A FELONY
IS COMMITTED. THIS SPILLS
SPECIFICALLY TARGETS INDIVIDUALS
WHO USED ON REGISTERED BRANDS
BECAUSE THEY ARE UNTRACEABLE IN
ORDER TO COMMIT TRYING CRIMES.
THIS BILL IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED.
IT WOULD BRING GHOST GUNS TO THE
SAME LEVEL OF ENHANCEMENT AS
USING AN ASSAULT WEAPON WHEN A
FELONY IS COMMITTED. CALIFORNIA
HAS SOME OF THE STRICTEST GUN
LAWS IN THE NATION, YET WE STILL
EXPERIENCE TRAGIC MASS SHOOTINGS
AND SENSELESS, SENSELESS KILLING
EVERY YEAR, ACCORDING TO THE A.
T F MORE THAN 30% OF ALL GUNS
THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT RECOVERS
ARE CONSIDERED GHOST GUNS.
INDIVIDUALS WHO COMMIT CRIMES
HIDE BEHIND THE ANONYMITY OF
USING A GHOST GUN. THIS IS A
SIMPLE GUN CONTROL BILL THAT
INTENDS TO REDUCE THE CRIMINAL
USE OF GHOST GUNS. MY PRIMARY
EXPERT WITNESS THIS MORNING TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL IS
SAN JOAQUIN DEPUTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY CINDY DESILVA. GOOD
MORNING AND THANK YOU
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DIXON AND GOOD
MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I'M
HAPPY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL. WE DO HAVE SERIAL
NUMBER REQUIREMENTS ON FIREARMS
REASON THEY'RE REQUIRED BY
FEDERAL LAW, AND THEY HELPED US
IDENTIFY IF THE GUY HAS BEEN
STOLEN SO WE CAN GET IT BACK TO
THE TRUE ORIGINAL OWNER. THEY
ALSO HELP US IF IT'S BEEN USED
IN A CRIME TO FIGURE OUT WHO
POTENTIALLY WAS THE PERPETRATOR
. IT HELPS US GO BACK IN TIME
AND FIND OUT WHERE IT WAS
PURCHASED FROM BY WHOM? WHAT
TIME? UM WHEN AND WHAT TOWN
ETCETERA, SO WE CAN PUT THINGS
TOGETHER AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT
HOW THIS GUN ENDED UP IN THE
CHAIN OF COMMERCE IN THE STREAM
OF COMMERCE AND IN THE HANDS OF
THE PERPETRATOR AND CRIMES ARE
SOLVED THAT WAY. UM IT ALSO
HELPS US TO DETERMINE IF THE GUN
WAS USED IN A CRIME AT ALL. AND
WHAT THIS MEASURE WOULD DO. IS
IT ONLY IT POSSESSION OF A
FIREARM WITHOUT A SERIAL NUMBER
IS ONLY A MISDEMEANOR. THAT'S
THAT'S NOT A VERY, UM, STRENUOUS
LEGAL SITUATION FOR A PERSON TO
FIND THEMSELVES IN WHAT THIS
BILL DOES. IT'S RATHER CREATIVE
. IT ONLY TARGETS THE HIGHER
LEVEL OFFENDER WHO IS USING IT
TO COMMIT A FELONY. SO WHILE
POSSESSION OF THE, UM SERIALIZED
FIREARMS JUST A MISDEMEANOR IF
THEY ACTUALLY USE IT IN
COMMISSION OF A FELONY. THAT'S
WHEN THIS BILL WOULD KICK IN, UM
THE ONE OF THE LETTERS IN
OPPOSITION SAID THAT WE SHOULD
LET FINANCIAL PENALTIES DETOUR
MANUFACTURERS OF THESE TYPE OF
WEAPONS RATHER THAN CRIMINAL
PENALTIES. DETER THE
PERPETRATORS. BUT I SEE NO
EVIDENCE THAT THAT WOULD BE ANY
MORE. UM UH, DETERRING FOR THE
MANUFACTURERS THAN THE CRIMINAL
PENALTIES WOULD BE. THE
OPPOSITION TO THESE TYPES OF
MEASURES OFTEN TIMES QUOTE
STUDIES THAT SAY THAT THAT
PENALTIES AND ENHANCEMENTS DO
NOT DETER CRIMES. BUT THOSE
STUDIES ARE SUBJECT TO THEIR OWN
BIASES. AND THERE ARE STUDIES ON
THE OTHER SIDE THAT SAY THE
OPPOSITE. I THINK WE'RE ALL IN
FAVOR OF USING A HEALTH CARE
APPROACH TO HELP WITH GUN
VIOLENCE, BUT IT CAN BE A BOTH
AND I DON'T SEE ANY HEALTH. UM
MEASURES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE
PROTECTING AGAINST THE USE OF
THESE SERIALIZED FIREARMS, WHICH
ARE ONE OF THE CRIMES
CONFRONTING LAW ENFORCEMENT
TODAY. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT
OF TURN. I'M NOT THE AUTHOR OF
THE BILL. BUT IF WE'RE CONCERNED
ABOUT HAVING A PUBLIC HEALTH
APPROACH, MAYBE WE CAN DO
SOMETHING LIKE A SUNSET DATE
UNTIL THAT HEALTH CARE APPROACH
KICKS IN BECAUSE IT HAS NOT YET
THIS BILL DOES SOMETHING, AND SO
WITH THAT I'LL SEE THE REST OF
MY TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
UM I THINK THAT'S IT. I'LL TURN
IT, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, BUT
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO
KIM STONE ON BEHALF OF THE
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
AND ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT, AS IS
THE ANIMAL OR CHILDHOOD. THAT
WAS THE LINE DETERRED HER FROM
FURTHER SPEAKING, MR CHAIR. I'M
SORRY. THAT'S MY GRANDSON. YEAH
YEAH. ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. MR CHAIR MEMBERS, COREY
CELLS ALONG BEHALF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE SHERIFF'S
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT. BRIAN
SHERMAN WITH THE RIVERSIDE
SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION AND ALL
THE OTHER POS I PREVIOUSLY
MENTIONED AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION?
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. FIVE
MINUTES. GOOD MORNING. CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M STILL
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, AND
I'M HERE TO TESTIFY ON THEIR
BEHALF IN RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION
TO A B 758. A B 758 PROPOSES YET
ANOTHER SENTENCING ENHANCEMENT
TO OUR CRIMINAL CODE. WELL WE
AGREE THAT ELIMINATING GHOST
GUNS AS A WORTHY ENDEAVOR. THIS
BILL AND THOSE OF ITS ILL WILL
NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF GUNS,
GHOST GUNS OR OTHERWISE
DIVERTING OUR LIMITED RESOURCES
TO IMPRISONING CALIFORNIANS WE
KNOW IS NOT A SOLUTION. IT IS A
RETURN TO THE MASS INCARCERATION
THAT WE ARE TRYING TO AND
SUCCEEDING AT GETTING PAST. WE
NEED TO PIVOT TO A PUBLIC HEALTH
APPROACH NOW TO THE PANDEMIC OF
GUNS IN OUR STATE AND OUR
COUNTRY, THIS APPROACH WOULD BE
AND HAS BEEN MORE COST EFFECTIVE
, HUMANE, SUCCESSFUL AND IN
ACHIEVING OUR GOAL OF REDUCING
GUNS AND GUN VIOLENCE. ADDING
ENHANCEMENTS OF YEARS IN PRISON
TO CRIMES IS NOT HEARD BY THE
AUDIENCE. YOU SEEK TO RICH. I
CAN TELL YOU THAT NONE OTHER
INDIVIDUALS THAT I REPRESENTED
IN MY MANY, MANY YEARS AS A
PUBLIC DEFENDER, THOUGHT AHEAD
OF TIME ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME THEY
WOULD GET FOR WHAT THEY WERE
ABOUT TO DO. THEY DON'T THINK
THAT WAY. PEOPLE DON'T THINK
THAT WAY THEY THINK ABOUT THE
NEEDS THEY HAVE DUE TO POVERTY
OR VIOLENCE IN THEIR COMMUNITY,
OR HEALTH, BOTH PHYSICAL AND
MENTAL. WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER TO
SOLVE THOSE ISSUES, WE CAN HAVE
A MORE JUST AND SAFE COMMUNITY.
THE LEGISLATURE COULD ALLOW
INDIVIDUALS TO SUE COMPANIES
THAT SUPPLIER MANUFACTURER GHOST
GUNS OR GHOST GUN EQUIPMENT.
SERIOUS FINANCIAL PENALTIES ARE
MORE LIKELY TO SLOW OR STOP THE
FLOW OF GHOST GUNS INTO OUR
STATE. WE KNOW THIS IN OTHER
AREAS SUCH AS CIGARETTES,
TOBACCO ALSO, THIS BILL IS NOT
NEEDED. THERE ARE MANY LAWS
ALREADY ON THE BOOKS THAT
PUNISHED THE POSSESSION OF A USE
OF A GUN IN A CRIME. THESE
PENALTIES RANGE FROM A YEAR UP
TO 25 YEARS TO LIFE, DEPENDING
ON THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE
OFFENSE. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR NO VOTE. THANK YOU. ARE
THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? ME. OH GO AHEAD.
YOU'RE SHARING GO AHEAD. YES
THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. IT'S OK.
QUITE GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS KARMA NICOLE COX FOR A
CEO YOU CAL ACTION. A POU
COLLECTION IS OPPOSED TO A B 7
58 RESPECTFULLY AND IN FACT, WE
HAVE A HISTORY OF OPPOSING
POLICIES THAT SEEK TO RATCHET UP
CRIMINAL PUNISHMENT FOR CONDUCT
THAT IS ALREADY A CRIME. WE HAVE
BEEN IN EVERY HEARING OF THIS
COMMITTEE SINCE THIS SESSION OF
THE LEGISLATURE BEGAN. SINGING
THE HARMS OF SENTENCE
ENHANCEMENTS AND THE ELIMINATION
OF JUDICIAL DISCRETION. 87 58 6
TO DO BOTH. WHILE WE RESPECT THE
GOALS OF THE AUTHOR, AND THAT IS
TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF
CALIFORNIANS AND DISTRICT 72
BEYOND BY ADDRESSING CRIMINAL
CONDUCT. AS MY COLLEAGUE HAS
SAID, WE KNOW THIS BILL WILL NOT
ACHIEVE ITS AIM. MAYBE 7 58
REMOVED THE TOOL FROM THE JUDGES
JUSTICE TOOL KIT WITH LANGUAGE
THAT EXPLICITLY TELLS JUDGES,
THEY CANNOT DISMISS FIREARMS
RELATED ENHANCEMENTS, EVEN WHEN
IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE.
WE ARE OPPOSED TO A B 7 58
BECAUSE RESEARCH INDICATES THAT
IT IS THE CERTAINTY OF
PUNISHMENT, NOT THE SEVERITY
THAT BEST SERVES AS A DETERRENT
FURTHER. THE CREATION OF THESE
REDUNDANT CRIMES CONTRIBUTES TO
A RELENTLESS TREND KNOWN AS OVER
CRIMINALIZATION. MEANWHILE WE
HAVE NOT MADE OUR COMMUNITY
SAFER OR OUR CHILDREN HEALTHIER.
EVEN IF WE'RE NOT DISSUADED BY
THE RACIST OUTCOMES KNOWN TO
FLOW FROM OVER CRIMINALIZATION,
WE SHOULD CARE THAT OVER
CRIMINALIZATION IS EXPENSIVE. SO
MUCH SO THAT EVEN CONSERVATIVES
AND REPUBLICANS HAVE EMBRACED
THE NECESSITY TO BALANCE BUDGETS
BY REFORMING THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM. REFORM STARTED
IN THE SOUTH IN TEXAS, WHERE
TRADITIONAL LOCK THEM UP
APPROACH GAVE WAY TO A NEW WAY
OF THINKING ABOUT HOW BEST AND
HOW ECONOMICALLY TO PROTECT
CITIZENS FROM CRIMINALS. I'LL
JUST NOTE QUICKLY THAT FROM 2001
TO 2004, TEXAS, EXPERIENCE A 9%
INCREASE IN ITS PRISON
POPULATION. BIO SEVEN. IT HAD
BILLIONS IN PRISON COSTS AND HAD
AN INCARCERATED POPULATION THAT
REQUIRED THE BUILDING OF AT
LEAST FOUR NEW PRISONS. UM THE
ARTICLE THE CONSERVATIVE CASE
FOR QUINCY FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM REPORTS THAT THE STATE
NEVER BUILT THOSE PRISONS.
INSTEAD IT PASSED COMPREHENSIVE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM PACKAGES
THAT FOCUSED ON REENTRY
TREATMENT AND DIVERSION PROGRAMS
. THESE REFORMS HAVE GENERATED
IMPRESSIVE RESULTS, AND IN FACT,
TEXAS HAS BEGUN CLOSING PRISON,
SAVING BILLIONS IN TAXPAYER
DOLLARS. UNFORTUNATELY 7 58 ONLY
PERPETUATES OVER CRIMINALIZATION
AND INORDINATE SPENDING ON THE
OPERATIONS OF CARCERANO
FACILITIES. I'M JUST GONNA CLOSE
BY SAYING 87 58 DOES THE
OPPOSITE OF WHAT IT IS, WE
SHOULD BE TRYING TO DO AND I
ASKED FOR THE COMMITTEE'S NO
VOTES. OKAY? ANY OTHER WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION. AND THEN WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS IN THE QUESTION. YEAH
I'M I'M SUPPORTING THIS
PARTICULAR MEASUREMENTS, DIXON,
BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD
SEND A VERY UNIVERSAL
CONDEMNATION FOR THE USE OF
GHOST GUNS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW,
THERE'S ALWAYS THIS GREAT DEBATE
THAT COMES UP IN THIS BODY ABOUT
THE EFFECTIVENESS AND THE
EFFICACY OF PUNITIVE
CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT I WILL TELL
YOU AS A PERSON WITH THE DEGREE
AND, UH, SPECIAL EDUCATION AND
THE STUDY OF BEHAVIOR
MODIFICATION. THERE'S A REASON
WHY TIME OUT WORKS. THERE'S A
REASON WHY PUNITIVE MEASURES IF
DONE PROPERLY. ARE EFFECTIVE.
AND I THINK THAT PUNITIVE
MEASURES DESERVE TO BE TAUGHT
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
AUTOMATICALLY THOUGHT ABOUT AND
THIS IS WHAT YOUR MEASURE JUST
TRIES TO ADDRESS AND ATTACH.
BEHAVIOR WITH GHOST GUNS.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU CLEARLY HAVE
VIOLATED THE PUBLIC TRUST BY
USING A GHOST GUN. IT'S ANOTHER
EGREGIOUS AFFRONT AGAINST
SOCIETY. AND THAT'S WHY I
DESERVE. YOU DESERVE TO BE
SUPPORTED ON THIS MEASURE, AND
YOU DO HAVE MY SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I ALSO LIKE TO
MAKE SOME COMMENTS. UH AGAIN.
THANK YOU ALSO FOR BRINGING THIS
BILL UP, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE
THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY
TRYING TO CHASE DOWN GUNS LITTLE
NOW GHOST GUNS. AND WITH THE
OPPOSITION COMPARING IT TO
TOBACCO. I DON'T THINK THAT
WARRANTS A COMPARISON. AND. THAT
YOUR CLIENTS THEY DON'T THINK
THAT WAY WHEN THEY'RE COMMITTING
THE CRIMES WITH THE VICTIMS ARE
NOT ALSO EXPECTING THEM TO BE
THINKING THAT WAY. ALSO. AND I
THINK IF THERE IS NOTHING AS FAR
AS A CONSEQUENCE, THEN IT'S NOT
GOING TO PREVENT THEM FROM
CONTINUING TO VICTIMIZE PEOPLE.
SO I WILL DEFINITELY BE
SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND WHAT ELSE? THAT
YOU MAKE. OH, HE'S A BIRD. SO I
, UM I WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR
FOR THINKING ABOUT ISSUES OF GUN
SAFETY. UM I'M NOT GOING TO BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL TODAY. I
MEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
PENALTY ENHANCEMENTS AT THIS
LEVEL ARE EFFECTIVE. I AGREE
WITH THE FOLKS FROM THE L C. A C
L U ON THAT AND IMPORTANTLY IF
WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING THINGS
LIKE THIS IN THIS AREA. UM, I'D
WANT TO SEE SUPPORT FROM THE
MAJOR GUN SAFETY ORGANIZATIONS
ON THE BILL, AND I DON'T SEE
THAT HERE, SO I WON'T BE
SUPPORTING TODAY. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE? YOU MAY CLOSE.
WELL, THANK YOU. COMMITTEE. UM
JUST TO REITERATE A COUPLE OF
THE POINTS JUST UNDERSTAND HOW
WE CAN CREATE SAFE COMMUNITIES
AND CRIMINALS ARE USING THESE
GUNS. THERE IS AN ACTIVE CRIME
BEING COMMITTED AND THEY
INTENTIONALLY ARE USING GHOST
GUNS SO THEY CAN EVADE LAW
ENFORCEMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M
TRYING TO GET AT. AND IF WITH
THIS ENHANCEMENT AND I AGREE
WITH THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND
REHABILITATION, YOU'VE HEARD ME
SPEAK ABOUT THAT. THERE'S
NOTHING MORE THAN WE WANTED TO
HAVE. PEOPLE REHABILITATE THEIR
LIVES AND LET HELP US HELP. AND
I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT, OF
COURSE. ACTUALLY AN ENHANCEMENT
GIVES A SMALL ENHANCEMENT OF TWO
YEARS. OR THREE YEARS OF THE
COMMISSION OF THE CRIME MORE
TIME TO HELP REHABILITATE THE
INDIVIDUAL THAT COMMITTED A
CRIME WITH AN ILLEGAL WEAPON,
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO
GET AT AND CAN CONTROL THE USE
OF ILLEGAL WEAPONS. BUT I DON'T
AND FURTHER I DON'T WANT TO
THINK ANY OF US WANT TO SEE
ANOTHER SENSELESS KILLING IN OUR
CITIES WHEN WE CAN TAKE THIS
STEP TO DETER THE USE OF GHOST
GUNS USED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
I JUST WANT TO DO EVERYTHING I
CAN TO ELIMINATE THE USE ILLEGAL
USE OF GUNS, AND THAT'S THE
PURPOSE OF THE SPELL. BUT I'M
VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR THOUGHTS
. UH AND COMMENTS AND I
ENCOURAGE AND I VOTE, SO THANK
YOU. AND I BELIEVE YOU SINCERELY
WANT TO DO THIS. THIS IS ONE OF
THE ACTUAL THIS IS ONE OF THE
ITEMS WERE WE'RE IN FULL
AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO
ELIMINATE GHOST GOVERNS BY ANY
MEANS. JUST ABOUT ANY MEANS
NECESSARY. UM THAT THE CHALLENGE
WITH THIS IT GOES BACK TO THE
THREE STRIKES LIKE THE MORE
PEOPLE WE LOCK UP. UM THE BETTER
SOCIETY WILL BE IN THAT DID NOT
WORK. FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY
COMMUNITY AND ANOTHER PLACES.
SO, UM WHILE I'M I AGREE THAT WE
NEED TO DO MORE. AND, UH, IT'S
GOOD TO SEE SOMEONE FROM ACROSS
THE AISLE. WANT TO GET RID OF
GUNS? BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S NOT
ALWAYS THE SAME, WHERE USUALLY
USUALLY AT OPPOSITE ENDS. SO
THIS THIS IS REFRESHING IN A LOT
OF WAYS, UM AND MAYBE WE CAN
CONTINUE TO TALK. IF THIS
DOESN'T GET OUT OF THIS. HOW DID
THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT WHAT THE
APPROPRIATE WAYS OR GETTING MORE
MONEY FOR? PUBLIC HEALTH.
RELATED TYPE OF, UM, HELPED TO
MAKE THIS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN
KEEP THOSE GHOST GUNS, OTHER
PEOPLE'S HANDS AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH AND WE
PROBABLY NEED TO DO MORE, BUT
GET IT DONE QUICKER. WHICH IS
WHICH, WHY I THINK YOU'RE
GETTING TO APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE'S RECONSIDERATION. BE
HONORED FIRST PERSON. LET US LET
US MYSELF. YEAH YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE GO
JET. UH, WELL, WE DON'T WE MAY
NOT HAVE ENOUGH MEMBERS. CHOLERA
OLD. MAYBE 7 58 BY SEVEN MEMBER
DIXON. THE MOTION IS DUE PASSED
TO THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
. JOHN SAWYER, NO COLONIES. I
BONTA KNOW TO KNOW BRIAN. LACKEY
I ORTEGA OR TAKE A NOTE.
SANTIAGO. ZIPPER. NO MR FAILS
AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR
RECONSIDERATION? I AM INDEED.
OKAY. THERE'S NO OBJECTION, UM,
UNANIMOUS CONSENT FOR
RECONSIDERATION. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. UM AS THE HOURS IS NOON,
AND WE ALL NEED TO GET Tð SOME
MEETINGS RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING
TO ADJOURN RECESS RECESS RECESS
. I'M NOT GONNA HIT THE GAVEL
RECESS UNTIL 1 30, A COURTROOM.
1 27, WHICH IS ACROSS THE HALL
FROM THIS ROOM.
NHIÀU OKAY? ALL RIGHT, THAT'S
FINE. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T POUND
OUT. I DID NOT BECAUSE I
REMEMBER WORK. COMING BACK FROM
RECESS. WE NOW HAVE MR PATTERSON
. ALRIGHT JOE PATTERSON. MR JOE
PATTERSON. I DO HAVE TO MAKE
THAT DISTINCTION. I MEAN, SORRY
. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S JOE PATTERSON
88 90 ITEM NUMBER, 21. ALRIGHT
WELL HEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I
DID HAVE GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS SWITCH AROUND REAL
QUICK. UM I'M HERE TODAY TO
PRESENT A B 8 90 WANT TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE AND THE STAFF ARE
WORKING WITH ME ON THIS MEASURE.
88 90 WOULD ESSENTIALLY REQUIRE
FOLKS GRANTED PROBATION FOR
VIOLATIONS OF LAWS PERTAINING TO
FENTANYL TO TAKE A CLASS
DEVELOPED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC HEALTH. IT'S IMPORTANT TO
KNOW THAT CURRENT LAW ALREADY
MANDATES EDUCATION IS A
CONDITION OF PAROLE FOR THESE
TYPES OF CRIMES. THIS ONE JUST
SPECIFIES WHAT KIND OF EDUCATION
THAT NEEDS TO BE. IT REALLY
CREATES NO ADDITIONAL BURDENS ON
THE INDIVIDUAL ON PROBATION. AS
MANY OF YOU KNOW, TACKLING THE
FENTANYL CRISIS HAS BEEN A TOP
PRIORITY OF MINE. I'M SINCERELY
TRYING TO APPROACH EVERY SINGLE
AVENUE. YESTERDAY MY WOMAN OF
THE YEAR. UM HONOR. JUST
YESTERDAY WAS LARA DID HERE
WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE? SHE LOST
HER SON TO FIND ALL POISONING
TWO YEARS AGO. SINCE THAT TIME,
SHE'S EDUCATED OVER 50,000
PEOPLE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF
FENTANYL, ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE
BEING MEAN I HAD ABSOLUTELY ZERO
IDEA WITH FAN OR WAS UNTIL ZACH.
DIED RIGHT MY COMMUNITY AS A
RESULT OF HIS POISONING, MY 10
AND EIGHT YEAR OLDS ALREADY KNOW
ABOUT THE DANGERS, BUT IT ISN'T
JUST PARENTS AND KIDS. TO MY
SURPRISE. IT IS ALSO PEOPLE
CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. I DON'T
BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCES, BUT NO
LIE. LARA RECEIVED THIS LETTER
FROM AN INDIVIDUAL INCARCERATED
JUST A FEW DAYS AGO. AND I WAS
GOING TO READ A LOT OF EXCERPTS,
BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
BUT I'LL SAY THAT THIS LETTER IS
VERY HEARTFELT ABOUT WHAT THIS
INDIVIDUAL HAS LEARNED FROM
LAURA'S ADVOCACY AND THE TRAGEDY
OF LOSING HER SON TO FEND ARE
POISONING AND IS REALLY A
TOUCHING LETTER AND HE DOESN'T
ASK FOR ANYTHING. HE JUST WANTED
HER TO KNOW. UM YOU KNOW HOW
MUCH THIS EDUCATION IS MEANT TO
HIM? BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT
SOME SOME CAN BE CHANGED AND
HELP AND PERHAPS THE DANGERS AND
THE REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES
MIGHT HELP FOLKS CHANGE THEIR
DIRECTION, SAVING LIVES AND ALSO
KEEPING THOSE FOLKS OUT OF
PRISON. AH TODAY I WELCOME A
CLASH COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY
MORGEN GUYER AND MY FRIEND AND
ALSO INSPIRATION. BOOMER
BENNETT. UH, ONE OF MY FAVORITE
CONSTITUENTS TO TESTIFY HERE AND
SUPPORT OF 89 8 90. YOU BOTH
HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE MINUTES.
WHERE WERE YOU GOING TO SPLIT IT
UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR. FELLOW
COMMITTEE MEMBERS AGAIN. MY NAME
IS MORGAN GUY. I'M THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY OF PLASTER COUNTY. LIKE
SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS
OUR STATE. WE'VE BEEN HIT HARD
WITH THE FEDERAL CRISIS AND HAVE
SEEN TOO MANY LIVES TAKEN TOO
EARLY. THE DEVASTATION OF
FENTANYL, ITALY, THEOLOGY
COMBINED WITH ITS ADDICTIVE
PROPERTIES. AND SADLY, IT'S
ACCESSIBILITY HAS BEEN TRULY
DAMAGING. TO MEET THE MEET THIS
CHALLENGE. WE'VE LAUNCHED AN
AGGRESSIVE OUTREACH AND
EDUCATION CAMPAIGN ACROSS OUR
COMMUNITY. WE HAVE PARTNERED
WITH PUBLIC HEALTH, OUR
TREATMENT PROVIDERS AND
SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER EXPERTS
AS WELL AS BEREAVED PARENTS WHO
HAVE LOST CHILDREN. DEFENDANT
POISONINGS. WE'VE SPOKEN TO
EVERY HIGH SCHOOL IN PLASTER
COUNTY TO ASSEMBLIES A DAY OVER
30,000 STUDENTS. WE'VE HIT
THOUSANDS OF PARENTS AND PARENT
TEACHER NIGHTS AS WELL AS
LAUNCHED A CAMPAIGN ON OUR AT
OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS. WE'VE POSTED
BILLBOARDS WE'VE WRAPPED BUSSES
. WE'VE PUT THINGS IN INSERTS.
WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
REACH AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN.
ABOUT THE DANGERS OF FENTANYL
REACHING THOSE AT THE EPICENTER
OF THIS CRISIS BATTLING
ADDICTION. THOSE WHO DISTRIBUTE
IN OUR COMMUNITY THOSE ARE WHO
WE NEED TO REACH A B 8 90 DOES
EXACTLY THAT. IT PROVIDES
CRITICAL INFORMATION AND
RESOURCES TO THOSE WHO HAVE
INTERSECTED WITH THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM. A B 8 90 WILL
EDUCATE EVERYTHING FROM IT'S
ADDICTIVE PROBLEM PROPERTIES TO
THE EFFECTIVENESS OF NALOXONE.
TWO AS WE SEE IN THE LETTER, THE
TRAGEDIES OF FENTANYL. OUR GOAL
IS TO EDUCATE EVERYONE WE CAN
AND THIS BILL ENABLES US TO DO
SO IN A WAY THAT REACHES A
CRITICAL SEGMENT OF OUR
COMMUNITY. I THANK THE COMMITTEE
FOR YOUR TIME AND RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST AND I VOTE ON A B 8 90.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES SIR.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME. UM
I DID. I WAS INCARCERATED FOR
THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE. MY LAST
STAND. I DID 12 YEARS, UM, AND
CALIFORNIA STATE PRISON BECAUSE
OF DRUG USAGE AND GANG BANGING
AND ALL OF THE VIOLENT THINGS.
WHILE BEING IMPRISONED. THERE
WASN'T ANYTHING LIKE THIS. THERE
WAS THINGS THAT YOU MADE. THEY
MADE YOU AWARE, BUT THE
EDUCATIONAL IT LACKED THE
EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE. SO FOR
ME THE REASON I ADJUSTED MY
BEHAVIOR BECAUSE I SEEN FROM AN
EDUCATIONAL PERSPECTIVE WHAT THE
HARM I WAS DOING FOR MY TO
MYSELF AND THE COMMUNITY AND
BECAUSE OF THAT, I WAS ABLE TO
CHANGE MY PERSPECTIVE. THERE ARE
MANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
IN PRISON. I GOT MANY FRIENDS
AND FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE IN
PRISON RIGHT NOW, WHO ARE
LACKING THE EDUCATIONAL
PERSPECTIVE OF CERTAIN THINGS
SUCH AS DRUGS AND FITTING ALL
SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING DEFINITELY
IN AFRICAN AMERICAN AND LATINO
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE POVERTY
STRICKEN AND HAVE ECONOMICAL
FACTORS BEING ABLE FOR THEM TO
UNDERSTAND. NOT ONLY DO UH WHEN,
WHEN THE INDIVIDUALS GIVEN
FITTING ALL THE CELL, THE ONLY
REASON WE THE ONLY REASON IS
USED TO BEING SOLD BECAUSE OF
THE PROFIT THAT YOU GAIN FROM
IT. SOMEONE FLOWING. SOMEONE
OLDER THAN ME, GIVES IT IN MY
HAND AND SAYS, HEY, GO SELL
THIS. THIS WILL GIVE YOU WHAT
YOU WANT IN REGARDS TO MONEY AND
ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT IT
DOESN'T TELL YOU THAT THE
NEGATIVE PROPERTIES OF IT FROM
MY PERSPECTIVE AS INDIVIDUAL WHO
USED TO BE A GANG MEMBER AND A
CRIMINAL IF I KNEW THAT FITTING
ALL WOULD DO WHAT IT DOES TO MY
SISTER HER SON AND KILLED HER
SON IF I KNEW THAT THAT WAS A
POSSIBILITY. WHILE I'M SELLING
THIS, I WOULD HAVE THAT
KNOWLEDGE IN MY HEAD. I WOULD
HAVE SOME TYPE OF I WOULD BE
INFORMED EDUCATIONALLY ABOUT THE
HARM THAT IT DOES AS WELL AS ME
TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK
INDIVIDUALS FROM A INCARCERATED
PERSPECTIVE FROM A PROBATIONARY
PERSPECTIVE, I THINK GIVING THEM
THE PROPER EDUCATION ABOUT THIS
MATTER IS ONE OF THE MOST
EFFECTIVE THINGS WE CAN DO IN
REGARDS TO LETTING INDIVIDUALS
KNOW WHO THINK SELLING FIT AND
ALL OR ANY ANY OTHER DRUG, UM,
TO THINK THAT THAT'S THE ONLY
WAY THAT THEY HAVE. GIVEN THEM
THE EDUCATIONAL FACTOR OF THE
DAMAGE THAT IT CAUSES. AND THEN
GIVING HIM THE ABILITY TO THINK
OF WHICH ONE TO CHOOSE. LIKE ME
MYSELF. I CHOSE THE LATTER. I
CHOSE THE FORSAKE THAT LIFESTYLE
AND GET ON BOARD AND THAT'S WHAT
I'M TALKING TO YOU GUYS HERE
NOW. SO THANK YOU GUYS
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU ANY
OTHER WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. MY
NAME IS LAURA. DEAR I'M HERE,
UM, IN SUPPORT REPRESENTING MY
SON ZACH, KILLED AT 17 BY
FENTANYL AND THE EMPOWER AND
RESILIENCE PROJECT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE. CINDY DESILVA ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
AND SUPPORT STEPHANIE HERRERO AT
THE BTS COMMISSION AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. ANYONE IN OPPOSITION.
SHE WOULD SIT THERE AT LUNCH.
GOOD AFTERNOON AFTERNOON. MY
NAME IS LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON
AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION TO PARTS OF A B 8 90
MY HEART BREAKS FOR THE FAMILIES
THAT HAVE LOST UM FAMILY MEMBERS
BECAUSE OF FENTANYL POISONING.
MY HUSBAND AND I LOST A VERY
DEAR FRIEND TO FENTANYL
POISONING. HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT
HE WAS TAKING. WELL WE
COMPLETELY AGREE THAT TEACHING
INDIVIDUALS ABOUT FENTANYL
DANGERS. UM IS IT WE AGREE WITH
THAT? WE DO NOT AGREE WITH
CHARGING A FEE. WE DO NOT AGREE
THAT THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE
APPROACH. WHILE THE AMENDMENT
APPROVED REMOVED THE EXPLICIT
AUTHORITY TO CHARGE PEOPLE A FEE
TO TAKE THE PROGRAM, THE RESORT
WILL BE TO REVERT TO A PAID TO
TAKE PROGRAM SITUATION. THE BILL
DOES NOT REQUIRE EXPLICITLY THAT
THE PROGRAMS BE FREE. THIS MEANS
THAT PARTICIPANT PROGRAMS WILL
IMPOSE A FEE, MUCH LIKE OTHER
COURT ORDERED PROGRAMS, SUCH AS
ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSES. THEY
MAY NOT SAY THEY'RE CHARGING A
FEE. THEY'LL CALL IT A SLIDING
SCALE. BUT THIS RARELY, IF EVER
MEANS NO FEE. PAID TO
PARTICIPATE. PROGRAM IS
PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE CLIENTS
CAN'T PAY. THEREFORE THEY DON'T
TAKE THE PROGRAM. THEREFORE THEY
VIOLATE PROBATION. THEREFORE,
THEY GO BACK TO JAIL. FURTHER
THERE'S NO OPT OUT CLAUSE
ALLOWING A COURT TO DECLINE TO
ORDER CLASSES IF THEY DEFENDANTS
. REAL ISSUE IS NOT DRUGS, BUT
RATHER SOMETHING ELSE LIKE
MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, ORDERING
A MENTALLY ILL DEFENDANTS TO DO
TANGENTIAL THINGS IS A
DETRIMENT. PUTTING TOO MANY
REQUIREMENTS ON THOSE DEFENDANTS
OFTEN LEADS TO THEIR FAILURE.
THEIR FAILURE LEADS TO MORE
INCARCERATION. IN MY LONG CAREER
, AND MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN
DECADE AFTER DECADE OF THIS
DRUG, THIS DRUG HEROIN THAN WE
HAD METHAMPHETAMINE. NOW WE HAVE
FENTANYL. SOON WE WILL BE
HEARING ABOUT DRINK. UM WE NEED
TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW
WE PUT THESE PROGRAMS TOGETHER
AND HOW WE GET PEOPLE INTO THE
PROGRAMS AND TO SUCCESSFULLY
COMPLETE FOR THESE REASONS, WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR NO
VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE
THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? GOOD AFTERNOON.
GLENN BECK IS FOR THE L. A.
BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.
THE BILL IS MUCH IMPROVED BY THE
AMENDMENTS. BUT UNTIL THE ISSUE
OF THE FEE IS DEALT WITH, WE
REMAIN OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED,
WERE OPPOSED TO PUTTING FEES ON
DEFENDANTS AND THEIR FAMILIES
BECAUSE THAT'S WHO ENDS UP
PAYING THEM. FOR PARTICIPATION
IN PROBATION SERVICES. WE THINK
THE EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT, BUT
UNTIL WE DEAL WITH THE FEE, WE
ALIGN OURSELVES WITH THE
COMMENTS OF CBD, A THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR
QUESTIONS, MR BRYANT. I VERY
MUCH WANT TO SUPPORT A JOE
PATTERSON BILL. UM, I SEE YOUR
THOUGHTFULNESS. I SEE. UM THE
WAY YOU'RE GROWING WITH ALL OF
THE STAKEHOLDERS ON THESE ISSUES
TO TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
THIS PARTICULAR PROBLEM WITH
THIS BILL IS NOT NEW TO THIS
BILL. IN FACT, I ACTUALLY LEFT
TO TESTIFY IN JUDICIARY TO
REMOVE A FEE REQUIRED FOR
PARENTS TO REUNIFY WITH THEIR
CHILDREN IF THEY CAN'T PAY FOR A
PROGRAM WHERE BARRING
REUNIFICATION, IT'S A IT'S A
COMMON, UM PUNISHMENT ON POVERTY
WHERE WE IMPOSE ADDITIONAL
CONDITIONS FOR YOU TO BE
SUCCESSFUL, BUT THEN PREVENT YOU
FROM BEING SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE
YOU CAN'T AFFORD THEM. UM IF
WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO
TAKE AN EDUCATION CLASS ON
FENTANYL, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE
THAT IT'S PAID FOR, UM,
PARTICULARLY IF THE INABILITY TO
PAY FOR IT COULD RESULT IN THEM
VIOLATING THEIR SUPERVISION. AND
SO I VERY MUCH HOPE THAT YOU
FIND A WAY TO INCORPORATE THAT
INTO THE WORK OF THIS BILL, BUT
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU GET OUT
OF COMMITTEE TODAY. YES UH, I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GET OUT OF
COMMITTEE TODAY. WITH THE
AMENDMENT AROUND THE FEE PAYMENT
FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT THE
COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION OR I
GUESS SUPPORT IF AMENDED, MADE
AND FOR MR BRIANS PROPOSAL WOULD
LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE AUTHOR.
WHY THERE'S AN INSISTENCE ON
REQUIRING A FEE. UH AND, UH AND
THAT WILL DEFINITELY HELP ME
UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT I'LL
BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THIS BILL.
YEAH YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, WE
CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO IN
PLASTER COUNTY. I THINK IT'S
NEVER REALLY BEEN IN IN IN
PLASTER COUNTY WILL WILL TAKE
CARE OF THAT. BUT OBVIOUSLY
THERE'S I THINK, 57 OTHER
COUNTIES, BUT I AM NOT INSISTENT
THAT, UH, THAT THE FEE MUST BE
PAID. UM AND I THINK THAT THE
ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE BILL DID
HAVE LANGUAGE TO HAVE THE FEE.
WAVED BY A JUDGE, IF NEEDED, SO
I DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION,
ADDING SOME KIND OF FEE WAIVER
PROCESS TO THIS LEGISLATION, AND
I WOULD DEFINITELY DO THAT. IF
THAT WAS THE DESIRE OF THE
COMMITTEE. SO YOU'RE PROPOSING A
FEE WAIVER? ABILITY BY THE JUDGE
AT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE AT THE
DISCRETION OF THE JUDGE, THE
JUDGE MAY BE ABLE TO ISSUE A FEE
WAIVER. THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE IN
THE BILL. ORIGINALLY MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE OTHER
TYPES OF FEE WAIVERS, FOR
EXAMPLE, LIKE ON D¯ÚI S AND
THINGS LIKE THAT. SO UM, YOU
KNOW IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC
DESIRES FROM THE COMMITTEE IN
TERMS OF, UH, EXTRAPOLATING THE
FEE WAIVER, YOU KNOW THAT I'M
HAPPY TO DO THAT. I'M NOT
LOOKING TO NOT WAIVE THE FEES.
IF THE COMMITTEE WANTS A FEW
WAIVER, WE WILL GET A FEE WAIVER
IN THERE, 100. WHAT ABOUT THE
OPTION OF NOT HAVING A FEE AT
ALL? HEY YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I
DON'T PERSONALLY CARE. UM I
THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM YOU
KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF
OBVIOUSLY PROBATION PROGRAMS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THERE'S
PROBABLY SYSTEMIC ISSUE THERE
THAT I THINK WE NEED. HEY YOU
KNOW, I HAPPEN TO SIT ON THAT
COMMITTEE WITH YOU AS WELL. THAT
WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THINGS
LIKE THAT. BUT I DO THINK WE
PROBABLY HAVE A SYSTEMIC ISSUE
IN TERMS OF HOW FEES UH,
PROBATION PROGRAMS IN GENERAL,
AND I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO
HAVE THAT ONGOING DISCUSSION. I
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACTS
WOULD BE IF I JUST DID A
COMPLETE FEE WAIVER FOR ANYBODY
AND HOW THAT CHANGES THIS
PARTICULAR, UM, PROBATION VERSUS
OTHER TYPES OF PROBATIONS. DOES
IT MAKE THIS ONE UNBALANCED AND
THE OTHER ONES WHERE THEY'RE
STILL HAVING TO PAY FEES, AND I
THINK THAT'S A BROADER
DISCUSSION. AGAIN I DON'T REALLY
OBJECT TO HAVING A FEE WAIVER IN
IT. I AM CONCERNED, HOWEVER,
THAT MAY BE AN APPROPRIATIONS.
AND, UH UM YOU KNOW, GET STUCK
THERE, BUT, UM, I HAVE NO ISSUE
WITH HAVING A FEE WAIVER. I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK IF
PEOPLE ARE ARE ARE GRANTED
PROBATION FOR, UH, FOR
POSSESSING OR SELLING FENTANYL
INTO COMMUNITIES AND THEY CAN
LEARN ABOUT IT, AND THAT SAVES
LIVES. I MEAN, I THINK THAT
GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY FOR THAT.
100% I THINK IT'S MUCH CHEAPER
TO DO A FEE WAIVER AND LIKE,
BOOMER SAID, AND THEN ALSO THIS
LETTER TO BE ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT
IT AND LEARN ABOUT THE RISKS AND
THE POSSIBLE DEATHS. AND IF WE
CAN WAIVE FEES FOR THAT, I'M ALL
FOR IT. 100% SURE CAN WE HEAR
FROM THE WITNESS IN OPPOSITION
REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL, THE
WAIVER. MY PROBLEM WITH THE FAIR
WAIVER IS THAT THERE ARE MANY
OLD SCHOOL JUDGES AND EVEN SOME
NEW SCHOOL THAT FEEL LIKE YOU
CAN'T LEARN IF YOU DON'T HAVE
SOME SKIN IN THE GAME, AND YOU
HAVE TO PAY A FEE. UM WE'VE
WORKED VERY, VERY HARD TO GET
RID OF A LOT OF FEES AND FINES
ACROSS THE BOARD AND TO COME IN
AND IMPOSE ANOTHER ONE SAYING,
OH, WELL, BUT THE JUDGE CAN
WAIVE IT. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY
GOING TO HAPPEN. I HATE TO HAVE
A JOHN DISPUTE WHAT THE JUDGE
WILL AND WON'T DO, BUT I DO HAVE
THAT JOINED US FOR YOU AND NOT
WORRY ABOUT THAT. LET'S JUST SAY
THERE IS A MECHANISM. AND I
THINK IT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
ESPECIALLY YOU WANT TO GET IT
OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE. THERE IS
A MECHANISM WHERE YEAH. IF YOU
WERE TO AGREE, AGREE ON NO FEE.
THAT COULD BE DONE IN
APPROPRIATIONS. THAT'S FROM A
PROCEDURAL BUT YOU'D HAVE TO. I
HAVE A FEELING YOU'D HAVE TO
AGREE TO THAT. SO LET MR LACKEY
SPEAK. YEAH THANK YOU. FIRST OF
ALL, TO MOVE TO BOOMER.
CONGRATULATIONS. UH WE'RE VERY
PROUD OF YOU AND HOPE THAT IT
CONTINUES TO WORK IN YOUR FAVOR.
UM I WILL ALSO SAY THAT I
BELIEVE THAT THIS BILL AND THE
FEE WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE FOCUS
OF OPPOSITION UM, THAT YOU
AGREED TO GO SILENT ON THIS
ISSUE. IT WASN'T THE YOU SAID
THAT YOU'RE INSISTENT ON A FEE.
BEING EXISTENCE BECAUSE
ESSENTIALLY, IT WAS MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAD A
SIMILAR PROVISION THAT WOULD
IDENTIFY SIMILAR TO A DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE CIRCUMSTANCE. WHERE THE
FEE MAYBE. IMPOSED AND YOU KNOW
I HAVE A JOHN DISPUTE, TOO, AND
IT'S USUALLY AGAINST VICTIMS.
AND. THE BUT THERE COMES A POINT
WHERE YOU HAVE TO RESPECT,
JUDGES. UH, TRAINING EXPERTISE
AND, UH, THEIR ABILITY TO MAKE
THAT, BUT I THINK NO MATTER WHAT
NEEDS TO HAPPEN, I THINK AH,
ZAC'S TRAGEDY AND THE TRAGEDY OF
OTHERS DESERVES RECOGNITION. OF
THE URGENCY OF US DOING BETTER.
ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, AND
THIS IS A VERY, VERY REASONABLE
PROPOSAL AND IF WE HAVE TO WAIVE
FEES THEN LET'S MAKE SURE THAT
HAPPENS ABOUT BECAUSE WE NEED TO
MOVE ON THIS. AND IT'S CLEARLY
GOING TO HAVE MY SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. I AGREE WITH MR LACKEY. OF
THAT GOING ON. THERE'S A LOT OF
THAT GOING ON RIGHT NOW. SO UH,
DID YOU? OKAY? SO WE SAY, MR
PATTERSON. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT
BEING A LAWYER AND UNDERSTANDING
THE PROBATION SYSTEM LIKE MY
GOOD FRIEND OVER HERE. MAYBE HE
CAN ADDRESS THAT SOME MORE. BUT
I CAN TELL YOU WE DON'T. I MEAN,
WE CAN GET RID OF THE FEE. I
DON'T I DON'T IT'S NOT ABOUT THE
FEE TO ME. I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S
IMPORTANT TO THE OPPONENT'S
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY UM, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO PAY IT. I'M
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE PAYING THE
FEE. YOU KNOW IF THEY CAN'T
AFFORD IT, I WANT PEOPLE TO GET
THE EDUCATION. SO WHATEVER THE
MECHANISM IS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN
, YOU KNOW, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF
THAT AND ALSO HOPEFUL THAT IN
THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
THAT THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY YEAH
, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU ARE
THE AUTHOR OF THE BILL, SO YOU
HAVE 100% CONTROL CONTROL OVER
WHAT I DO. BUT THE COMMITTEE HAS
CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS IN
THAT COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW TO GET
IT FEELS LIKE TO GET IT OUT OF
THIS COMMITTEE. YEAH. COMMIT.
THAT WHEN WE GET TO IF IT GETS
OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE AND WHEN
YOU GET TO A PROBES, 100% 100%
COMMITTED TO THAT. I WON'T EVEN
HEAR THE BILL. IF WE CAN'T COME,
I'LL LIKE I'LL CALL MY GOOD
FRIEND ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BRIAN
OVER HERE, AND YOU CAN TELL ME
HOW IT'S DONE AND WE'LL DO IT.
BUT WE GOTTA MAKE SURE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S LACKEY AGREES
JUST TO KEEP THE I'VE SEEN A LOT
OF ENERGY GOING ON. EXACTLY SO
JUST DON'T MESS UP THE KARMA
RIGHT NOW. YEAH I MEAN, LOOK,
I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO JAM THIS
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS. I
MEAN, I'LL NEVER GET A BILL OUT
OF THIS PLACE AGAIN IF I DO
THAT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU KNOW, I
COMMIT TO WORKING ON THAT SO. SO
OKAY. IS THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS
MOVE THE BILL. IS THERE A
SECOND? OKAY? WITH THE
PROVISIONS WE HAVE STATED, UM,
CHAIRS RECOMMENDING, AND I,
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GET TO
APPROPRIATIONS. ON A B 8 90 BY
SOME MEMBER JOE PATTERSON. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOHN
SAWYER JOHNSON. I ELONIS. I WANT
TO. I WANT TO I BRIAN, BRIAN, I
LACKEY LACKEY. I ORTEGA SANTIAGO
ZIPPER ZIPPER. AYE. THE MEASURE
PASSES. THANK YOU. WELL, NOW DO
BRIAN ITEM. NUMBER 17 A B. 819.
HI GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.
AFTERNOON MR CHAIR. GOOD
AFTERNOON, THIS TIME FLIES.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. I FLEW UP
ON THE PLANE. YOU COULD JUST
EXPLAINED IT TO ME YESTERDAY.
THAT'S A GOOD WITNESS AFTERNOON
, MR CHAIR AND COLLEAGUES. I'M
HERE TODAY TO PRESENT A B 819 A
BILL THAT ROOM REMOVE THE
POSSIBILITY OF A PERSON. TO
RECEIVE A MISDEMEANOR AND
INCARCERATION SIMPLY FOR EVADING
AFFAIR FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
FARE EVASIONS, WE KNOW
DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACT. LOW
INCOME WRITERS OF COLOR STUDIES
IN LOS ANGELES AND IN THE BAY
AREA. CONSISTENTLY SHOWED THAT
FAIR ENFORCEMENT
DISPROPORTIONATELY TARGETS
BLACK. AND BROWN COMMUNITIES AND
THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR FACE
HARSHER PENALTIES WHEN THEY ARE
STOPPED. RECENT DATA IN LOS
ANGELES SHOWED THAT ONLY 8% OF
THE POPULATION IT'S BLACK, BUT
OVER 20% AND ONLY 19% OF THE
METRO RIDERSHIP YET OVER 50% OR
MORE OF ALL FAIR CITATIONS AND
ARRESTS FOR FARE EVASION FROM
2018 TO 2021 ARE BLACK PEOPLE.
TODAY. IF YOU EVADE THE FAIR,
YOU CAN BE CITED. IF YOU HAVE A
THE FAIR AGAIN, YOU CAN BE CITED
AGAIN. SHE MADE THE VERY FAIR
THIRD TIME YOU CAN BE CITED WITH
A $400 FINE AND SPEND UP TO 90
DAYS IN JAIL. IF WE PUT SOMEBODY
IN JAIL FOR 90 DAYS, JUST TO BE
CLEAR IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY, WE
COULD HAVE ALSO JUST BOUGHT THEM
A METRO PAST 4 37 YEARS. IT'S
NOT A DETERRENT. IT'S THE
CRIMINALIZATION AND PUNISHMENT
OF POVERTY. UH AND WE CAN REMOVE
THAT THREAT OF INCARCERATION,
BECAUSE IF WE ACTUALLY EVER
ACTED ON THAT THREAT, IT WOULD
BE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER FOR THE
PUBLIC INTEREST TO JUST START
BUYING FOLKS METRO PASSES, WHICH
WOULD BE MY IDEAL GOAL, SO WHAT
THIS BILL WOULD DO IS REMOVE
THAT THREAT OF INCARCERATION. AH
AND IN THE PUNISHMENT OF POVERTY
FOR EVADING THE FAIR. AND YOUR
WITNESS AND MY WITNESSES. BUBBA
FISH, BUBBA. CO DIRECTOR OF
STATE POLICY FOR STREETS FOR ALL
. TAKE IT AWAY, BUBBA. THANK YOU
SO MANY MEMBER AND GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS AM BUBBA FISH
AND CO DIRECTOR OF STATE POLICY
FOR STREETS FOR ALL
TRANSPORTATION ADVOCACY
ORGANIZATION, AND WE'RE PROUD
SPONSORS OF A B 819 WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ISAAC BRIAN. UM
AND CURRENTLY IN CALIFORNIA,
USING TRANSIT WHEN YOU CAN'T
AFFORD FAIR CAN GET YOU CHARGED
WITH A MISDEMEANOR ON PAR WITH
DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OR
PROPERTY THEFT AND EVEN UP TO 90
DAYS IN JAIL, A B 819 WILL
REMOVE THE POSSIBILITY OF
CRIMINAL CHARGES AND, OF COURSE,
A REASON FOR NOT PAYING PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION FARE. SO I AT ITS
CORE AS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. BRIAN
JUST SAID THE CRIMINALIZATION OF
FARE EVASION IS AN EQUITY AND
SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUE STUDIES IN
L. A AND ACROSS THE NATION IN
PLACES LIKE WASHINGTON, D C. NEW
YORK CITY, PORTLAND, MINNEAPOLIS
AND OTHER CITIES HAVE SHOWN THAT
FAIR ENFORCEMENT
DISPROPORTIONATELY TARGETS BLACK
BROWN AND LOW INCOME TRANSIT
WRITERS AND THE PEOPLE OF COLOR
FACE MUCH HARSHER, HARSHER
PENALTIES. WHEN THEY ARE STOPPED
. ANALYSIS PERFORMED BY LABOR
COMMUNITY STRATEGY CENTER SHOWS
THAT 50% OF L, A METRO WRITE
CITATIONS FOR FARE EVASION ARE
GIVEN TO BLACK TRANSIT RIDERS
SPLIT DESPITE THOSE BLACK
TRANSIT WRITERS MAKING UP JUST
19% OF OVERALL RIDERSHIP. THERE
ARE AGENCIES ACROSS THE STATE
WHOSE ENFORCEMENT POLICIES ARE
UNDEFINED. UM AND UNCLEAR BUT
SEVERAL, INCLUDING V T A IN
SANTA CLARA COUNTY, UM IN
ELDORADO TRANSIT IN EL DORADO
COUNTY LIST, THEIR FARE EVASION
PENALTY AS QUOTE UP TO THE
MAXIMUM PENALTY ALLOWED BY LAW.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHY THIS
MATTERS BECAUSE THERE'S STILL
TRANSIT AGENCIES. UM UH, YOU
KNOW, SAY, SIDING WITH THE FULL
EXTENT OF THE LAW. AND IN
CURRENT CALIFORNIA LAW THAT LAWS
IF THEY EVADE FAIR THREE TIMES
THEY CAN BE SENTENCED WITH A
MISDEMEANOR AND SPEND UP TO 90
DAYS IN JAIL. SO NOT ONLY DOES
THE PUNISHMENT NOT FELT FIT THE
CRIME, THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP
TRANSIT PAST COSTS $123 IN THE
COST OF INCARCERATING SOMEONE
FOR 90 DAYS COULD PAY FOR 37
YEARS AS A MEMBER, BRIAN JUST
SAID OF L. A METRO MONTHLY
PASSES, SO THAT'S WHY RECENTLY
TRANSIT AGENCIES IN CITIES
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING
WASHINGTON, D. C BACK IN 2019
REMOVED CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR
FERRY VISION ON TRANSIT AND THE
LEGISLATURE FIRST TOOK STEPS IN
2016, CALIFORNIA TO NO LONGER
CRIMINALIZED AND INCARCERATE
MINERS FOR FAIRY EVASION THROUGH
SB 8 82 AUTHORED BY SENATOR
HERZBERG, SO THE TIME IS NOW. IN
OUR VIEW, TO EXPAND THIS POLICY
TO ALL CALIFORNIANS AND STOP THE
CRIMINALIZATION OF POVERTY, UM
AND STREETS FOR ALL RESPECTFULLY
URGES AN AYE. VOTE ON THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. DANICA
RODEN ON BEHALF OF INITIATE
JUSTICE AND CALIFORNIANS FOR
SAFETY AND JUSTICE. REBECA
GONZALEZ NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
SOCIAL WORKERS, CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER IN SUPPORT. LESLIE
CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT FINALLY
SAREES WITH YOUNG MEN'S FREEDOM
CENTER AND SISTER WORRIES
FREEDOM COALITION CHANNELS A
CHAPTER IN SUPPORT. JOANNE SHARE
ON BEHALF OF FELONY MURDER
ELIMINATION PROJECT AND SUPPORT
. JOHN VASQUEZ ON THE COMMUNITY
94 RESTORATIVE JUSTICE AND
SUPPORT GOOD AFTERNOON. GLENN
BECK IS FOR ELLA BAKER CENTER IN
SUPPORT. GERONIMO ANGULAR HERE
ON BEHALF OF LEGAL SERVICES FOR
PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN AND
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
LAURENCE COX ALL OF US OR NONE
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU FOR ANY
WITNESSES THAT OPPOSITION. AND
HE WITNESSES NOT POSITION CNN
AND BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. ANY QUESTIONS, MR
BLACKIE? LET ME BEGIN BY
CONGRATULATING THE WITNESS AND
ADMIT THAT. FEST IS A LOT COOLER
NAME THAN TOM LACKEY. THANK YOU
JUST THOUGHT I WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT BUT HERE HERE'S THE PROBLEM
WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL,
LIKE I BELIEVE THAT RIDERSHIP
AND ON THE METRO. SYSTEM
WHEREVER IT IS. UM IT'S
PLUMMETING BECAUSE THERE'S A
LACK OF TRUST. BECAUSE OF. AND
THE LOSS OF RIDERSHIP IS QUITE
SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF LACK OF
TRUST AND CONFIDENCE. PEOPLE
HAVE BECAUSE OF MISCONDUCT THAT
HAPPENS IN THAT SYSTEM. I WILL
TELL YOU THAT I JUST TOOK THAT
SYSTEM LAST WEEK. AND IT WAS
ABOUT 11 O'CLOCK. AND I WAS IN
FEAR. WITH SOME OF THE BEHAVIOR
THAT TOOK PLACE RIGHT NEXT TO
ME. SO THAT'S NOT
UNSUBSTANTIATED, AND I FEEL LIKE
I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR INTENT IS
CLEARLY NOBLE. AND TRYING TO
ADDRESS A VERY SIGNIFICANT NEED
, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE
RIGHT PATHWAY. AND I DO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE NEED TO DO
BETTER ON THE WAY WE'RE HANDLING
OUR HOMELESS POPULATION. I THINK
THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE NOT
OFFERING AND THE SUPPORT THAT
WE'RE NOT OFFERING IS THE
PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T THINK, UM,
THIS PATHWAY BECAUSE I THINK IT
ENABLES HABITUAL OFFENDERS AND
THEN ALL THAT'S NOT YOUR INTENT.
BUT I THINK THAT IS THE OUTCOME
SO I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. I'M SORRY
ABOUT THAT. I BROKE OUR STREAK.
YES CERTAINLY MOVE THE BILL AND
APPRECIATE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW IN
THE BAY AREA TRANSIT SYSTEM IS
WIDELY USED. WE HAVE BART. UH,
MY FAMILY IS OFTEN BEEN ON BART
AT ALL HOURS OF THE EVENING, AND
I WANT TO JUST OFFER AN
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A
DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE UH, THE
EVADING OF THE OF THE FAIR. AND
JUMPING THE JUMPING THE BOOTH,
WHICH BY THE WAY I USED TO
PROBABLY DO IN NEW YORK CITY
WHEN I WAS A KID, UM UH, AND
HOPE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS IS
RIGHT OUT ON THAT. AH AND WHAT
MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE
BEHAVIOR OR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.
UM, UH, WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE
IN THE STATIONS AND ON THE ON
THE WITHIN THOSE TWO THINGS ARE
SEPARATE. TOTALLY METER IS NOT
NECESSARILY SOMEBODY WHO'S THEN
GOING TO CONTINUE TO COMMIT.
OTHER KINDS OF, UM, OFFENSES. SO
WITH THAT, I WOULD I WILL BE
VOTING FOR THE BILL. UM, WOULD
LOVE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK
TO THAT ISSUE, IN PARTICULAR
WILL ALSO MOVE THE BELL. THIS IS
THE BEAR. OF SECOND THE BILL,
BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR
EITHER THE STAFF FOR THE AUTHOR
UM, WHEN FOLKS HAVE REPEATED.
PARKING VIOLATIONS FOR THEIR
AUTOMOBILES. DO WE EVER
CRIMINALIZE THEM? AND WITH FINE
TO THIS BIG AND POTENTIAL JAIL
TIME. WE DO NOT THREATEN YOU
WITH 90 DAYS INCARCERATION FOR A
PARKING TICKET, AND IN FACT, I
HAD AH, VERY, VERY MANY OF THEM
AT U. C L. A AND WAS NEVER
THREATENED WITH BEING
INCARCERATED FOR NOT BEING ABLE
TO PAY THEM WHICH I COULDN'T DO
AS A STUDENT, AND I MEAN THAT
THAT I THINK IS THE SORT OF A
KEY POINT ON WHY THIS BILL IS SO
IMPORTANT, WHICH IS THAT IT
FOCUSES ON THE DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE CARS WHO
ARE TREATED IN ONE WAY AND
PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE CARS AND
RELY ON PUBLIC TRANSIT OR
TREATED IN A DIFFERENT WAY. SO I
WILL BE SUPPORTING THE BILL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING
IT. OKAY AND I SECOND IT AND THE
OTHERS. THAT YOU MAY CLOSE. I
THINK I WANT TO THANK MY
COLLEAGUES FOR THE CONVERSATION
. I THINK THAT'S A TREMENDOUS,
UM, POINT. MR ZABAR, UM IF YOU
ENGAGE IN ANY KIND OF CRIMINAL
CONDUCT ON TRANSIT, IT IS STILL
ILLEGAL. AND THIS DOESN'T STOP
THAT. UM, THIS DOESN'T EVEN STOP
YOU FROM BEING CITED FOR A FARE
EVASION, ALTHOUGH I THINK WE
SHOULD HAVE THAT VERY NECESSARY
CONVERSATION IN THE LEGISLATURE
. ALL THIS DOES IS SAY THAT WE
WILL NOT INCARCERATE YOU FOR 90
DAYS AND CHARGE YOU IN A
MISDEMEANOR BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO
POOR. TO PAY YOUR FAIR OR YOU
CHOSE NOT TO PAY YOUR FAIR
BECAUSE YOU WERE BALANCING THE
TRADE OFF OF EATING OR FEEDING
YOUR FAMILY. IN ADDITION TO
WRITING PUBLIC TRANSIT, AS WAS
MENTIONED EARLIER, THE IDEA THAT
WE WOULD SPEND 90 DAYS,
INCARCERATING SOMEBODY INSTEAD
OF JUST BUYING THEM 35 YEARS OF
METRO PASSES, WHICH WOULD BE
CHEAPER. IT'S A PROBLEM IN STATE
LAW, AND WE CAN FIX THAT PROBLEM
TODAY. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR
EYE BONE, THEN I WOULD THANK YOU
AND I WANT TO REMIND OTHER
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
NETWORK. WE GENERALLY HAVE LAW
ENFORCEMENT HERE. SO BEFORE YOU
ADMIT TO A CRIME THAT, UH EXCUSE
ME A WANT TO READ THAT WAS POOR
KID IN THE BRONX, TAKING THE SEA
, TAKING THE TRAIN FOR AN HOUR
AND A HALF EVERY DAY. LAW
ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE LAUGHING.
OKAY, UM. I HEAR THAT THE THREE
THINGS THAT WHITE PEOPLE IN L.
A. DON'T WRITE THE METRO BECAUSE
OF FEAR FEAR OF CRIME, BUT THE
OTHER TWO IS CLEANLINESS AND
RELIABILITY. AND I DON'T KNOW
WHICH OF THOSE TWO OR THREE IS
THE MOST IMPORTANT, BUT CRIME IS
NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT IS ONE OF
THE FACTORS AND, UH TO ASSUME
THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T PAY THE
FARE OR THEY AUTOMATICALLY THE
ONES THAT ARE CREATING CRIME. UM
WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW
THAT AT ALL. SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE
BRINGING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY.
I LIKE YOUR ANALOGY THAT IF WE
WERE TO JUST PAY. FOR THESE FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE IMPOVERISHED
POVERTY. UM WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO
ELIMINATE IT ALTOGETHER BECAUSE
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY
SOMEBODY WOULDN'T PAY IT UNLESS
THEY'RE HAVING FUN JUST JUMPING
OVER THINGS. SO WITH THAT
RECOMMENDED I VOTE. AND MAYBE 8
19 BY SOME MEMBER BRIAN. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASSED THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE JOHN
SAWYER, GENSLER, ELONIS ELONIS
BONTA, I BRIAN, BRIAN, I LACKEY
AQUINO ORTEGA SANTIAGO. ZIPPER.
SUPER AYE. THAT MEASURE PASSES
EXACTLY. HMM. AND MR VALLAPUDUA
. A B 701 ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE FEDERALS.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS I
AM PROUD TO PRESENT A B 7 10
TODAY. EFFORT TO CRACK DOWN ON
FENTANYL EPIDEMIC AND SAVE LIVES
ACROSS CALIFORNIA. HAS BEEN
RESPONSIBLE FOR 83% OF THE
OPIOIDS RELATED DEATHS AND
CALIFORNIA IN RECENT YEARS. AND
HAS INCREASED THE OPIOIDS
RELATED DEATHS TOLD BY OVER 40%
YEAR OVER YEAR. IT IS THE IT IS
50. TIMES STRONGER. THEN HEROIN.
BUT DESPITE OF ALL THIS
POSSESSION OF LARGE QUANTITIES
OF BIT MORE WITH THE INTENT TO
SELL, HAS BEEN TREATED WITH MORE
REGENCY THAN OTHERS FAMILIAR
CONTROL STEPS SINCE THAT IS NOT
RIGHT. A B 7 10 IS A COMMON
SENSE MEASURE THAT SIMPLY
PROVIDES A LEVEL A LEVEL OF
PLAYING FIELD FOR THE
ENFORCEMENT OF THE LETHAL
SUBSTANCE. THE BILL ALLOWS US TO
PENALIZE HI, DEALERS. HIGH LEVEL
DEALERS. THOSE ARE PEOPLE, UH,
PEOPLE IN POSSESSION OF A
KILOGRAM OR MORE IN QUANTITY.
THIS IS THE SAME MANNER THAT WE
PENALIZE DEALERS OF HEROIN AND
SIMILAR SUBSTANCE. 7 10 DOES NOT
TARGET USERS OR LOW LEVEL
DEALERS. WITH ME TO TESTIFY
TODAY. IN SUPPORT OF THIS
MEASURE IS CINDY TO SILVER WITH
THE SAN JOAQUIN COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND MRS
FLEMING, A MOTHER, WHO HAS
EXPERIENCED THE TRAGEDY OF THE
EPIDEMIC FIRSTHAND. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BOTH HAVE FIVE
MINUTES ALTOGETHER. THANKS TO
SPLIT IT UP. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. ABOUT IT WAS DECEMBER
31ST 2019 AND I GOT A CALL LATE
AT NIGHT. IT WAS NEW YEAR'S EVE
FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
WHO'S A NARCOTICS AGENT. I'M ON
THE NARCOTICS TEAM, SO IT MADE
SENSE THAT I WOULD GET THE CALL
FROM HIM. BUT HE CALLED TO TELL
ME THAT THERE WAS A YOUNG MAN IN
THE HOSPITAL WHO HAD EXPERIENCED
A FENTANYL OVERDOSE AND IT DID
NOT LOOK LIKE HE WAS GOING TO
MAKE IT. HE WAS, UM IN THE
UNITED STATES NAVY AND BECAUSE
IT WAS THE HOLIDAYS. HE WAS IN
OUR COUNTY ON LEAVE, AND HE
APPARENTLY HAD BEEN A RECOVERING
HEROIN USER AND WAS TRYING TO DO
GOOD THINGS WITH HIS LIFE BUT
GOT AHOLD OF A FENTANYL PILL
THAT DAY ON NEW YEAR'S EVE AND
ENDED UP IN SAINT JOSEPH'S
HOSPITAL, SO I, ALONG WITH OUR
NARCOTICS AGENT WENT TO THE
HOSPITAL TO GO MEET THIS YOUNG
MAN. HE WAS VISIBLY BLOATED. HE
HAD A VENTILATION TUBE DOWN HIS
THROAT AND HE WAS HOOKED UP TO
AN I V FULL OF MEDICATIONS, AND
I NEVER DID GET TO MEET HIM WITH
HIS EYES OPEN, BUT MY INTENTION
WAS TO FIGHT FOR HIM IN COURT
AFTER HIS PARENTS DISCONTINUED
THE LIFE SUPPORT, WHICH THEY DID
A FEW DAYS LATER. SO THAT WAS
THE OPPORTUNITY. I GOT TO SEE OF
WHAT AN OVERDOSE LOOKS LIKE. I
HAD THE PLEASURE OF SPEAKING
WITH MR GLENN BECK KISS OF THE
ELLA BAKER CENTER. HE AND I HAD
A MARVELOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT
THIS BILL LAST WEEK, VERY CLASSY
OF HIM TO DISCUSS HIS CONCERNS
WITH ME, AND IT'S MY HOPE THAT I
CAN ADDRESS SOME OF HIS
CONCERNS. I'M QUITE CERTAIN THAT
THEY'LL CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THE
BILL. BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT SOME
THINGS OUT THAT I KNOW IN MY
NECK OF THE WOODS AS A NARCOTICS
PROSECUTOR. 11-3 70.4 THE HEALTH
AND SAFETY CODE SECTION WE'RE
LOOKING AT, UM, MIX IT
ENHANCEMENT FOR CARRYING
ANYTHING FROM A KILO UP TO 80 KG
OF HEROIN, COCAINE, THINGS LIKE
THAT, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE
SPECIFICALLY FENTANYL AND AS THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MENTIONED
FENTANYL IS 50 TIMES STRONGER
THAN HEROIN, UM A KILO,
FORGETTING THE 80 KG, ONE KG OF
FENTANYL PILLS IS ABOUT 10,000
PILLS BECAUSE THE WAY THE USERS
BREAK UP THE PILLS AND CONSUME
THEM EQUATES TO ANYWHERE BETWEEN
128,000. ABOUT $10,000 WHOLESALE
OR A WHOPPING $180,000 RETAIL
THAT THAT WOULD COST SO WE'RE
NOT DEALING WITH LOW LEVEL
DEALERS OR ADDICTS. WE'RE
DEALING WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE
HIGHLY CONNECTED WITH THE
CARTEL, EVEN IF THEIR SO CALLED
MULE RULES. THEY'RE HIGHLY
CONNECTED. THEIR TRUSTED WITH
MOVING THIS AMOUNT OF THE
NARCOTIC IF WE'RE DEALING WITH
FENTANYL POWDER THAT MAKES UP TO
ONE MILLION PILLS COSTING ABOUT
$45,000 RETAIL AND THE D E A
ESTIMATES ABOUT 60% OF FENTANYL
PILLS CARRY A LETHAL DOSE. SO
FOR ONE KG, THAT'S POTENTIALLY
6000 DEATHS. I WILL WRAP UP
BECAUSE I WANT TO LET MISS KYOTO
FLEMING TELL YOU HER STORY.
FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO
THANK MY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CARLOS
V VALLAPUDUA FOR BRINGING THIS
BILL TO THIS COMMITTEE. AND NOW
I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MISS
FLEMING. A FRIEND OF MY OFFICE.
MR FLEMING, PEOPLE BRING THE MIC
TO HER. YES GOOD AFTERNOON. ON
THE MORNING OF TUESDAY, DECEMBER
14TH 2021 MY FIRST LEFT CHATTER
OR WHAT? WHAT'S TAKEN AT THE
PROTEST AGE OF 19. CHEN HAD A
BRIGHT FEATURE WAS INTELLIGENT,
MAKING THE PRINCIPAL'S LIST IN
HIGH SCHOOL. AND THROUGHOUT HIS
SCHOOL YEARS REMAINED AN HONOR
STUDENT. HE WAS ON THE WRESTLING
TEAM. HE LIVED OUTDOORS
SKATEBOARDING. YOU'RE WRITING
FOR WILLARD'S PLAYING VIDEO
GAMES AND WATCHING ANIME. I'M SO
SORRY. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME
SPEAKING ABOUT IT. IT CHECK OUT
HOW TO GIVE HER REPAIRING THINGS
AND INSPIRED TO BECOME A POLICE
OFFICER. WHATEVER CHAP PUT HIS
MIND TO HE WOULD ACCOMPLISH WITH
GREATNESS. HE WAS SO CHARMING
AND TO KNOW HIM WAS TO LOVE HIM.
TRAVEL IS AN AMAZING BIG BROTHER
, TWO SIBLINGS. HE WAS SO LOVING
AND PRODUCTIVE. CHAD DO NOT SEE
COLOR IN A PERSON ONLY CHARACTER
HAD FRIENDS OF ALL
NATIONALITIES. CHAD SUFFERED
FROM ANXIETY, AND HE WAS JUST
ONE VISIT AWAY FROM PRESCRIBED
MEDICATIONS. BUT IT'S SELF
MEDICATED AND ENCOUNTERED IT
FITTING ALWAYS PILL JUST TOOK
HIS LIFE. UM FIT LAW HAS NO BIAS
ON RACE, GENDER CREED. AND
THEREFORE ANYONE THAT MAKES A
CONSCIOUS DECISION TO DISTRIBUTE
LATE FIT, NOT MUST BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
OF COURSE, SOESILO ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA STATE SHERIFF'S
ASSOCIATION, AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. DR RAYMOND ROSS, SENIOR ON
BEHALF OF SAN FRANCISCO DISTRICT
ATTORNEY BROOKE JENKINS. WE ARE
IN VERY STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. WE'LL HEAR FROM
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. DON'T
MIND IF YOU JUST I DON'T KNOW
HOW MANY COME OUT. I JUST NEED
ONE MORE. YEAH, THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. GOING BACK. IT'S ON
BEHALF OF ELLA BAKER CENTER FOR
HUMAN RIGHTS IN OPPOSITION. WE
ASKED WHEN DISCUSSING HUMAN
LIVES. AND PUBLIC DOLLARS THAT
WE SHOULD ALL FOLLOW THE
SCIENCE. THE ENHANCEMENTS IN
STATE LAW FOR HEROIN, COCAINE
AND METHAMPHETAMINE DID NOT
REDUCE THEIR AVAILABILITY.
SENDING A PERSON FOR AN
ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS TO 25
YEARS, ALWAYS A TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF MONEY. BUT WILL NOT
REDUCE THE AVAILABILITY OF
FENTANYL. PUBLIC DOLLARS SHOULD
BE RESERVED FOR THINGS THAT
WORK. THINGS LIKE DRUG
TREATMENT, HARM REDUCTION AND
HOUSING. EXTENSIVE RESEARCH HAS
ESTABLISHED THAT THE UNITED
STATES, MASS INCARCERATION
BINGE. FAILED TO PROTECT THE
PUBLIC AND, IN FACT NEGATIVELY
IMPACTED COMMUNITY SAFETY AND
PUBLIC HEALTH. IN 2014, THE
NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL OF THE
NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES,
ENGINEERING AND MEDICINE,
PUBLISHED A 444 PAGE REPORT ON
THE AVAILABLE RESEARCH ON LONG
SENTENCES, INCLUDING LONG
SENTENCES FOR SELLING DRUGS. AND
THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. I QUOTE.
ARE THERE RECOMMENDATIONS TO
POLICYMAKERS WAS. ALTERNATIVE
RESPONSES THAT RELY LESS ON
INCARCERATION AND MORE ON HEALTH
MEASURES MADE BOTH REDUCE THE
SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC COSTS OF
IMPRISONMENT. AND IMPROVE PUBLIC
HEALTH. CAREFUL STUDY HAS SHOWN
THAT CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE WHO
SELL DRUGS AND USE DRUGS
AMPLIFIES THE RISK OF FATAL
OVERDOSE AND DISEASES. DRIVES
PEOPLE AWAY FROM ME TO TREATMENT
, HEALTH AND HARM REDUCTION
SERVICES AND EXACERBATES RACIAL
DISPARITIES IN INCARCERATION.
AND IS INJURIOUS TO THE FAMILIES
AND COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OVER,
POLICED. FOR THESE REASONS, WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A NO VOTE.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
JOHN SAWYER AND COMMITTEE LESLIE
CALDWELL ON BEHALF OF LESLIE
CALDWELL, HOUSTON ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION TO A B 701. A B 701
FEELS LIKE THE SAME WAR ON DRUGS
MENTALITY AND WOULD CAUSE MORE
HARM THAN IT WOULD PREVENT. WE
ALREADY KNOW THAT RELYING ON
EVER INCREASING PENALTIES DOES
NOT WORK. WE KNOW THIS BILL
WOULD NOT REDUCE THE
DISTRIBUTION OF FENTANYL, NOR
WOULD IT PREVENT OVERDOSES. IT
WOULD NOT REDUCE THE SUPPLY, NOR
WOULD IT REDUCE THE DEMAND FOR
THIS DRUG. WORSE IT WAS, IT
WOULD DISCOURAGE THE EFFECTIVE
METHOD OF DEALING WITH THE
OPIOID CRISIS. THE PRIMARY RISK
OF OVERDOSE ON FENTANYL RESULTS
FROM ITS UNKNOWING INGESTION.
THE PROCESS OF ADDING FENTANYL
TO OTHER DRUGS OR MAKING IT LOOK
LIKE OTHER DRUGS IS DONE EARLY
IN THE PRODUCTION PROCESS.
THEREFORE WE KNOW THAT LOWER
LEVEL SELLERS DON'T OFTEN OR
DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE
DISTRIBUTING FENTANYL AS IT
TAKES PLACE HIGH IN THE
DISTRIBUTION CHAIN. CALIFORNIA
VOTERS HAVE SIGNALED AGAIN AND
AGAIN THAT THEIR PREFERENCES FOR
HEALTH APPROACH TO DRUG OFFENSES
AND THEIR DESIRE TO UNWIND THE
WAR ON DRUGS EFFORTS SUCH AS
THIS BILL NEEDS TO STOP. WE NEED
TO PIVOT TO A NEW AND BETTER
APPROACH THAN THE WAR ON DRUGS,
IDEAS. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR NO VOTE. THANK YOU. OR ANY
OTHER WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION
NAME AND ORGANIZATION. JIM
LINDBERG ON BEHALF OF THE
FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
IN CALIFORNIA IN RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. ANNALISE ARIES WITH
YOUNGER MEN'S FREEDOM CENTER IN
ALSO RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION.
REGULAR HERE ON BEHALF OF LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN IN RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. JOANNE SHARE WITH
FELONY MURDER ELIMINATION
PROJECT WERE IN OPPOSITION.
LAURENCE COX. ALL OF US ARE NONE
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. JOHN
VASQUEZ COMMUNITY, NEW YORK FOUR
SORT OF JUSTICE, RESPECT FOR
YOUR POST. LISTEN MORE ALL OF US
ARE DONE IN RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. HENRY ORTIZ. ALL OF
US ARE NOT RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU NOW BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR ANY
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. MR
LACKEY. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME
JUST, UH ONCE AGAIN,
RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. WITH THE
CHARACTERIZATION BY THE
OPPOSITION. IT'S HOW WE
INTERPRET SCIENCE NOT JUST THE
SCIENCE ALONE. COVID-19 PROVED
THAT TO BE VERY TRUE. UM. FOR
DECISIONS RESULT AND THIS KIND
OF CATEGORY. WE'VE RESULTS OF
SUCH SEVERE CONSEQUENCES AS. FOR
WITNESS CAME AND SHARE IT WITH
US THE EXAMPLE. THAT DOES
REPAIRABLE TO HER. AND TO HER
SON. UM. SOCIETY AND THIS
LEGISLATURE NEEDS TO SEND A
MESSAGE OF INTOLERANCE. TO THIS
MASSIVE MISCONDUCT. AND EVEN THE
REFERENCE. TO THESE TRAGEDIES
BEING CHARACTERIZED AS
OVERDOSES. I THINK IS A LITTLE
MISLEADING BECAUSE I THINK IT
SHOULD BE A POISON. ONE PILL IS
SHOULD NEVER BE AN OVERDOSE.
THAT'S A POISON. AND WHAT WE'RE
DOING HERE IS WE'RE TRYING TO
BRING ATTENTION TO THOSE BIGGEST
ABUSERS IN OUR SOCIETY WHO ARE
ACTUALLY SELLING THIS POISON AND
MASSIVE MASSIVE QUANTITIES. THIS
IS NOT LOW LEVEL OFFENDERS THAT
WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE.
THESE ARE THE BIG TIME. THE
LARGE SCALE ABUSERS OF THE
PUBLIC GOOD. CAN'T WE SEND THAT
MESSAGE? I HOPE SO. I'LL BE
SUPPORTING YOU. THANK YOU. AND
THE OTHER COMMENT. MR DEEPER. UM
. SO I THIS IS A BILL THAT I
ADMIT I'VE LOST A LOT OF SLEEP
ABOUT BECAUSE I'M NOT OFTEN ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THINGS WITH
ELLA BAKER CENTER. THEY SELL YOU
AND SO AM I. OTHER FRIENDS IN
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM
MOVEMENT, BUT I DO THINK THAT
THIS BILL IS DIFFERENT THAN THE
OTHER BILLS THAT I'VE VOTED
AGAINST. I'M NOT SOMEONE WHO
BELIEVES IN PENALTY
ENHANCEMENTS. I REALLY DON'T I
AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU
BOTH SAID ABOUT THAT, UM, ABOUT
THEM NOT BEING EFFECTIVE FOR YOU
KNOW, STREET LEVEL. UM FOLKS AND
FOLKS THAT ARE YOU KNOW THAT ARE
SELLING DRUGS ON THE STREET. THE
DIFFERENCE FOR ME IN THIS BILL
IS THAT IT'S UNLIKE THE OTHERS,
WHERE THAT ALWAYS BEING ATTACHED
TO BILLS THAT CRIMINALIZED LOTS
OF DRUGS, AND WE'RE INCREASING
PENALTY ENHANCEMENTS. IS THIS IS
A PENALTY ENHANCEMENT THAT'S
ALREADY IN PLACE FOR DRUGS THAT
I THINK ARE LESS HARMFUL THAN
FENTANYL. UM AND THEN ON TOP OF
IT, UM, IT'S TARGETED TO PEOPLE
THAT ARE REALLY NOT FOLKS THAT
ARE USING IT ON THE STREET OR
SELLING IT ON THE STREET. IT'S
SUCH HIGH QUANTITIES. UM, YOU
KNOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT
THAT THERE'S THAT A KILO COULD
BE RESULT IN LACING A MILLION
FENTANYL PILLS. UM TO ME THAT
PUTS THIS IN A VERY DIFFERENT
CATEGORY BECAUSE IT IS SO
LIMITED AND BECAUSE THE HARM OF
FENTANYL IS SO GREAT, AND SO I
LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE KIDS
THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND THESE
ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING
IN MY MIND MAKING THE DECISIONS
TO ACTUALLY PUT THE FENTANYL OUT
ON THE MARKET AND GET IT TO
DEALERS ON THE STREET AND LACE
THE PILLS WITH WHATEVER THEIR
SUBSTITUTING BECAUSE THIS STUFF
IS CHEAPER OR MORE AVAILABLE OR
WHATEVER. SO I REALLY. I DON'T
LIKE VOTING FOR PENALTY
ENHANCEMENTS. BUT IN THIS CASE I
DO THINK IT'S DIRECTED AT THE
FOLKS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY
DOING. HORRIBLE THINGS, THEIR
KIDS AND I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A
GROUP OF FOLKS IN MY DISTRICT
THAT THE ONE THING I'LL SAY YOU
KNOW, IN MY DISTRICT THE CALLS
THAT HAVE GOTTEN THE MOST CALLS
ABOUT HAVE BEEN CALLS RELATED TO
ISSUES RELATED TO FENTANYL NOW,
SAYING ALL OF THAT I DO BELIEVE
THAT THE APPROPRIATE APPROACH
GENERALLY SHOULD BE HEALTH
BASED. YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE
LOOKING AT APPROACHES. WHERE
WERE UM, PROVIDING NECKS ALONE
IN PLACES WHERE PILLS MAY BE
AVAILABLE. I THINK WE SHOULD BE
REQUIRING EVERY CLUB IN
CALIFORNIA TO HAVE STOCKS OF
NAXAL OAN ON ON, YOU KNOW, IN
THEIR IN STOCK SOMEHOW. UM AND I
THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT
MORE EDUCATION. BUT THIS IS ONE
WHERE I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME
OPPOSING IT GIVEN GIVEN THE HIGH
LEVELS OF THE QUANTITIES THAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO THANK
YOU. ANYWHERE ELSE. YOU MAY
CLOSE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN.
AND MEMBERS, UM. I WAS TRYING
TO. I WAS LISTENING TO EVERYONE
, BECAUSE JUST THIS AFFECTS ALL
OF OUR COMMUNITIES. THIS IS NOT
A DISTRICT BILL. THIS IS A STATE
BILL. THIS IS ALMOST A NATIONAL
EPIDEMIC. IT IS. I MEAN, I WAS
IN L A REMEMBER TURN ON THE TV.
I WAS WATCHING. YOU KNOW? IT ON
TV OF AN ACTOR'S SON. I SEE IT
IN THE PAPER. I SEE IT. ON THE
NEWS. AND YOU'RE AND YOU'RE
RIGHT. THIS IS THIS IS A
DIFFERENT WAR. THIS ISN'T YOUR
TYPICAL HEROIN COCAINE. THIS IS
MUCH CHEAPER. IT'S MORE
ADDICTIVE. AND YOU CAN SEE IT
OUT ON THE STREETS. JUST DRIVE
ANYWHERE. YOU CAN ALMOST SEE IT.
THIS IS SO ADDICTIVE THAT IT'S
NOT MEANT FOR THE USER. IT'S NOT
MEANT FOR THE GUY. THAT'S
NICOLLIN DIVING. IT'S MEANT FOR
THE GUY. THE PERSON THAT IS
SELLING THAT KILO THAT KILLER.
HE IS LITERALLY KILLING OUR
COMMUNITY. HE HAS CHANGED OUR
COMMUNITY. THAT'S JUST
OVERNIGHT. IT'S GOING TO
CONTINUE. AND ALL OF YOU IN THIS
ROOM HAVE BEEN ASKED. WHAT ARE
YOU DOING TO CHANGE THIS? I'M
NOT TRYING TO INCARCERATE PEOPLE
. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE
THAT I DIDN'T SAY THE WORD. UH
UM. CARTEL, RIGHT, BUT. IT'S THE
FOLKS THAT ARE IN THAT YOU DON'T
SEE BEHIND THE SCREENS. BEHIND
THAT DOOR. THAT IS SITTING THERE
LAUGHING AT US AND GO AND LOOK
AT HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE MAKING
UP THIS AND I AM I LITERALLY
HOOKED FOLKS IN MY DISTRICT IN
YOUR DISTRICTS. AND THAT'S ALL
I'M TRYING TO DO IS GOING AFTER
THAT BIG BALL OR THAT'S SITTING
THERE, MAKING TENS OF MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS. TOO MANY FAMILIES
ARE NOW DEALING WITH THE UNKNOWN
IMAGINABLE GRIEF. THEY ARE
CRYING OUT FOR US TO DO MORE.
AND I HOPE TODAY THAT WE CAN
ANSWER THAT TODAY. AND SO I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
MAKE YOU AND I AND I WANT TO
THANK YOU. THANK YOU WITNESS FOR
BEING HERE. I MEAN, THIS
INCREDIBLY BRAVE TO BEAR OFF IN
FRONT OF EVERYBODY HERE. AND SO
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE
UNDERSTANDS WE RESPECT WHAT SHE
DID COMING HERE AND HOW BRAVE IT
WAS FOR IT TO BE HERE TODAY, UM
I ALSO REMEMBER THE SAME KIND OF
CONVERSATIONS. WITH CRACKLE
GAIN. WORDS LIKE PREDATORS AND
THEN WE STARTED THE WAR ON
DRUGS. BECAUSE WE'RE SCARED.
SCARED TO DEATH. I'M SCARED NOW
WITH KENDALL. IT. AT LEAST WITH
CRACK COCAINE. THEY HAVE
REOCCURRING CUSTOMERS. JUST THIS
THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YOU'RE
SELLING A PROJECT THAT WILL KILL
YOUR CUSTOMERS DIDN'T MAKE IT
FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT,
DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE
WHATSOEVER. AND SO WE DO NEED TO
CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAIT. YOU
CAN DO THIS FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH
STANDPOINT, I THINK THE GOVERNOR
IS TRYING TO PRODUCE MORNAR KIND
OUT THERE SO WE CAN WE CAN HELP
THOSE THAT MAKE THE UNFORTUNATE
MISTAKE OF USING THAT, AND WE
NEED TO DO MORE DO MORE ON ON
THE ON THE EDUCATION FRONT. UM.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE NEED TO
GET TO UM, I'M GOING TO LAY OFF
TODAY BECAUSE I JUST IT IS A
HARD ONE. UM AFFIRMATIVELY. WE
NEED TO GET TO THE SOURCE AND TO
BE ABLE TO STOP THE SOURCE. I
DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO HOW
TO GET TO THE SOURCE YET. AND TO
REALLY CRACK DOWN IN THAT. BUT
IF WE LOOK AT WHERE CRACK
COCAINE IS FROM WHAT IT WAS 2030
YEARS AGO, I THINK PART OF THAT
IS PEOPLE. GOT EDUCATED AND
STARTED TO LEARN NOT TO USE THAT
ANYMORE AND I TRYING TO GET US
HOPEFULLY NOT IN A IN A WAY WE
CAN GET TO THAT PART WHERE WE
START. TO STOP PEOPLE FROM USING
IT, ESPECIALLY WHERE I THINK IN
YOUR BILL. ON PURPOSE ASIAN
PERSON CONVICTED OF VIOLATION
AND OR CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE
RESPECT TO A SUBSTANCE
CONTAINING HEROIN. FENTANYL
COCAINE, SO IT'S NOT JUST
SOMEONE TAKEN DIRECTLY, UM THE
NARCOTICS. I WANT TO GET TO A
POINT WHERE IT DOESN'T OR LAW
ENFORCEMENT DOESN'T USE THIS AND
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING THEM
ARE THE WAY TO GO AFTER PEOPLE
BECAUSE OF POVERTY BECAUSE OF
DRUG ADDICTION BECAUSE OF OTHER
THINGS THAT THIS BECOMES
SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY
BECOMES PROBLEMATIC FOR
INDIVIDUALS, AND SO IT DOESN'T
MAKE IT OUT OF HERE. UM WE NEED
TO. WE NEED TO ADD SOME POINT.
BECAUSE I'M I'M SERIOUSLY
THINKING OF MAYBE EVEN HOLDING.
ANY OTHER FENTANYL BILLS UNTIL
WE COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE
IDEA OF HOW THE HANDLE THIS
BECAUSE IT'S EITHER INCARCERATE
INCARCERATED, HIGHER PENALTIES.
PENALTIES THEN WE GOT THE PUBLIC
HEALTH PEOPLE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE
PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER. AND WE
GOT WE GOT AT SOME POINT. WE GOT
TO COME TOGETHER. AND IF WE
DON'T DO IT HERE I DON'T KNOW IF
WE'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWHERE. AND
SO I'M HOPING THAT AS I START
LOOKING AT THE BILLS COMING
FORWARD. THAT WE DO THAT BECAUSE
IT'S JUST NOW TIME THAT WE JUST
WE JUST STOPPED BEING ON ONE
SIDE OR TOGETHER. AND WE
ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING OF THE
MINDS, WITH BOTH SIDES LOOKING
AT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT COME UP
WITH A CLEAR SO WAS THERE A
MOTION. ON A B 701 BY SEVEN
MEMBER VÆ VALLAPUDUA THAN MOTION
IS PASSED TO THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE, JOHN SAWYER. JOHN
SAWYER ABSTAINING. ELONIS BONTA
, NOT VOTING, NOT VOTING. BRIAN
RYAN, NOT VOTING. BLACKIE
BLACKIE. I ORTEGA SANTIAGO.
ZIPPER ZIPPER? AYE. THAT BUILT
ON HOLD. THANKS TO CALL DON'T
CALL. NOW MR MAIENSCHEIN A B
806. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THANK
YOU. ITEM NUMBER 14 WHENEVER
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS, A B
806 WOULD EXTEND THE LIST OF
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RELATED CRIMES
THAT CAN BE JOINED AND TRIED IN
ONE JURISDICTION WHEN THE
ALLEGED CRIMES ARE COMMITTED BY
THE SAME DEFENDANT AND AGAINST
THE SAME VICTIM. CURRENT LAW
ALLOWS FOR CERTAIN CRIMES
RELATING TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO
BE COMBINED AND TRIED IN ONE
JURISDICTION. HOWEVER THE
STATUTE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED
SINCE 1998 AND OVERLOOKS MANY
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, CRIMES THAT
COMMONLY GO ALONG WITH DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE. SOME OF THESE CRIMES
INCLUDE CRIMINAL THREATS
WITNESSED DISSUASION AND
PROTECTIVE ORDER VIOLATIONS.
REPEATED CRIMES OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE OFTEN INVOLVED THE
VICTIM OF A CRIME ROTATING
THROUGH THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE,
WITH THEIR PERPETRATOR,
FREQUENTLY MOVING THROUGH
DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS WITH
THEIR PERPETRATOR. A B 806 WOULD
HELP LIMIT THE MANY LEVELS OF
EXPOSURE AND INVOLVEMENT WITH
PROSECUTION AND TRIAL. THE VERY
ISSUE THE 1998 STATUTE WAS
ENACTED TO PREVENT THIS BILL
WOULD HELP PROTECT REPEAT
VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BY
INCLUDING CRIMES NOT CURRENTLY
RECOGNIZED BY THE STATUE HERE TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT IS UH, ON
DANG, DEPUTY DISTRICT DEPUTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY AT THE SAN
DIEGO COUNTY'S DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THANK YOU. UM
GOOD AFTERNOON. I WANT TO THANK
THE CHAIR AND THE MEMBERS FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF A B 806. MY NAME IS
ON DING I'M, A DEPUTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY AT THE SAN DIEGO
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WHEN
A DEEP WHEN A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
ABUSER EXERTS POWER AND CONTROL
OVER THEIR VICTIM. THINGS LIKE
DISTANCE VENUE AND JURISDICTION
ARE NOT LIMITATIONS. FOR THE
VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
HOWEVER, JURISDICTIONAL
LIMITATIONS CAN MEAN RE
TRAUMATIZATION, PROLONGED
VICTIMIZATION AND COSTLY DELAYS
IN BOTH HEALING AND HOLDING
ABUSER ACCOUNTABLE. AVIATOR SIX
ALLOWS A LIST OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE CRIMES TO BE JOINED AND
TRIED IN ONE JURISDICTION WHEN
THE DEFENDANT COMMITS CRIMES
AGAINST THE SAME VICTIM AND THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE
DEFENDANT AND THE VICTIM. IS
RECOGNIZED IN PENAL CODE SECTION
13 700. CURRENT LAW UNDER PENAL
CODE SECTION 7 84.7 B ALLOWS THE
JURISDICTION TO COMBINE CASES
FOR SPECIFIED OFFENSES THAT
OCCURRED OUTSIDE OF THEIR
JURISDICTION IF THE DEFENDANT
AND VICTIM ARE THE SCENE. AND
WHEN LOOKING AT THE LEGISLATIVE
INTENT BEHIND THIS EXISTING LAW,
WHICH, UH, THIS LEGISLATURE
PASSED IN 1998. IT'S CLEAR THAT
CRIMES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN
GENERAL OR WHAT THE ORIGINAL
AUTHOR INTENDED TO PROTECT AS
THIS LEGISLATURE HAS RECOGNIZED
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS HAVE A
HIGH PROPENSITY OF BEING
REPEATEDLY VICTIMIZED BY THE
SAME OFFENDER. HOWEVER AS
WRITTEN, THE STATUTE ONLY LISTS
ONE SPECIFIC CRIME OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE. THAT'S PENAL CODE
SECTION 2 73 3.58, WHICH
REQUIRES A TRAUMATIC CONDITION
OR INJURY, AND THIS OVERLOOKS
SEVERAL CRIMES OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE DOT INVOLVED. NO INJURY
AT ALL, INCLUDING ASSAULTS
WITHOUT INJURY, UM, THREATS OF
DEATH OR BODILY HARM. AND
VIOLATIONS OF PROTECTIVE ORDERS.
PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, THIS MEANS
THAT IF AN ABUSER WERE TO INJURE
HIS VICTIM IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY
THAT VICTIM GARNERS THE
WHEREWITHAL TO FLEE. TO BUT THE
ABUSER FINDS HER AND THREATENS
TO KILL HER AT GUNPOINT IF SHE
SHOULD EVER LEAVE HIM AGAIN.
THAT VICTIM IS NOW GOING TO BE
SUBJECTED TO TWO SEPARATE
INVESTIGATIONS. PROSECUTORS
JUDGES, DEFENSE ATTORNEYS AND
TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF HER
ABUSER IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS
ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. AVIATORS
SIX SEEKS TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE
AND ALSO CONSERVED JUDICIAL
RESOURCES WORKING ON THE
MINIMIZING THE BACKLOG OF
CRIMINAL CASES IN CALIFORNIA.
THIS BILL DOES NOT INCREASE
PUNISHMENT FOR DEFENDANTS, NOR
DOES IT CREATE A MANDATE. IT'S
SIMPLY ALLOWS PROSECUTION
OFFICES THE DISCRETION TO UNIFY
PROSECUTIONS WHEN IT IS BOTH IN
THE INTERESTS OF JUSTICE TO DO
SO, AND THAT OF THE VICTIM. BY
SIMPLY AMENDING THE STATUTE TO
MATCH ITS LEGISLATIVE INTENT. WE
CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM REALLY
VICTIMS THE TRAUMA OF HAVING TO
TESTIFY IN MULTIPLE TRIALS
AGAINST THE SAME OFFENDER. AND
ALLOW THEM TO BEGIN THE PROCESS
OF HEALING. I RESPECTFULLY URGE
THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO
VOTE I AND SUPPORT OF A B 806.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. CNN.
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FELONIES. THANK YOU FOR
YOUR COMMENTS. AND FOR THOSE WHO
DON'T KNOW, I USED TO BE A
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND CRIMES
AGAINST CHILDREN, DETECTIVE AND
FORENSIC INTERVIEWER AND WE ARE
OUR POINT WAS TO TRY AND LIMIT
WHAT THE VICTIM HAD TO TESTIFY
LIKE, OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS YOU
WERE SPEAKING TO, AND I THANK
THE AUTHOR FOR DOING THIS. YOU
GUYS ARE USING THAT THAT SAME
MECHANISM BASICALLY TO PREVENT
THEM FROM HAVING TO RELIVE THAT
THAT TRAUMATIC TIME IN THEIR
LIFE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, HAVING
TO RETAIL IT. SO I THANK YOU
GUYS FOR DOING THAT. I'LL BE
SUPPORTING THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
THE OTHER WITNESSES COMMENTS,
OKAY? YOU MAY CLOSE, MR
MAIENSCHEIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS AND WE
WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I
VOTE RECOMMENDING EYES WITH
THEIR EMOTION. YOUR SECOND
MANUFACTORY CALLED THE ROAD. ON
A B 806 BY SOME MEMBER
MAIENSCHEIN. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS SAWYER I ELONIS BONTA. I
BRIAN, BRIAN, I LACKEY MACKEY. I
ORTEGA SANTIAGO ZUBER ZIPPER I
THAT MAJOR PASSES. TO AH, I HAD
MR MCCARTY NEXT AND AFTER MR
MCCARTY MR ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TOM
LACKEY.
GIVE ME LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT?
WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON. I
APPRECIATE OPPORTUNITY TO
PRESENT THIS BILL. IT'S NUMBER
IS A B 898 AND I THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR WORKING WITH OUR
OFFICE AND WE DO ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE OFFERED TO
US. AND, UH, I'M INTRODUCING A B
98, WHICH IS A BILL. IN JUVENILE
HALL INJURY REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS WITH THE SPONSOR OF
THE BILL, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE
THE STATE COALITION OF PROBATION
OFFICERS. AS OPERATIONS AND
RESPONSIBILITIES SHIFT FROM THE
FROM D. J. J WHICH IS THE
DIVISION OF JUVENILE JUSTICE TO
COUNTY OPERATED JUVENILE HALLS
AND SECURED YOUTH TREATMENT
FACILITIES. COUNTY'S MOST
NOTABLY L. A COUNTY HAS
STRUGGLED TO KEEP UP A STANDARD
SET BY THE BOARD. OF STATE AND
COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS. AND ONLY
AN L, A COUNTY. THE NUMBER OF
ASSAULTS ON JUVENILE HALL STAFF
IN 2022 ROSE MORE THAN 60.
COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
SIMILARLY THE NUMBER OF TIMES
OFFICERS ENCOUNTERED RESISTANCE
AND REQUIRED TO USE FORCE ON
YOUTH RESIDENTS SPIKED 50% IN
THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR
RELATIVE TO THE SAME PERIOD IN
2021. AND THE NUMBER OF TIMES
OFFICERS NEEDED TO USE PEPPER
SPRAY DURING THESE ENCOUNTERS
QUADRUPLED. I INTRODUCED THIS
LEGISLATION TO PUT IN PLACE
STRONGER REPORTING REQUIREMENTS
FOR THESE TYPES OF INCIDENTS
ACROSS THE STATE. L. A COUNTY
HAS RECEIVED THE VAST MAJORITY
OF NEWS COVERAGE ON THIS ISSUE.
THE DIFFICULTIES PERSIST AND
PROBATION DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE
ENTIRE STATE. ESPECIALLY AS WE
MOVE TOWARDS FULL TRANSITION
AWAY FROM D. J J OPERATIONS. THE
BILL REQUIRES ALL JUVENILE
PROBATION DEPARTMENTS IN THE
STATE TO SUBMIT AN ANNUAL REPORT
OF ALL INJURIES TO STAFF AND
RESIDENTS THAT OCCURRED AS A
RESULT OF AN ENCOUNTER BETWEEN
STAFF AND THE RESIDENTS.
ADDITIONALLY IT WILL MANDATE
THAT EACH REPORT OF AN INCIDENT
INCLUDES INFORMATION, INCLUDING
THE EXTENT OF AN INJURY. WHAT
THE STAFFING RATIO OF THE
FACILITY WAS AT THE TIME OF THE
INCIDENT AND WHETHER THE
INCIDENT OCCURRED IN A SECURE
YOUTH TREATMENT FACILITIES
ESTABLISHED BY SB 92. BY
STANDARDIZING AND EXPANDING THE
REPORT PROCESS. WE WILL BE
GIVING B S C C, A KEY TOOL THAT
CAN BE USED TO EVALUATE HOW WELL
PROBATION DEPARTMENTS ARE ABLE
TO HANDLE THIS TRANSIT. TRANS
THAT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY,
TRANSITIONARY PERIOD. WHILE ALSO
PROVIDING GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY
FOR BOTH STAFF AND YOUTH
RESIDENTS. ALBERTO TORRICO IS
HERE AND I LET HIM TAKE OVER THE
NEXT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU, MR LUCKY, THANK YOU
FOR OFFERING THE MEASURE. MR
CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. GOOD AFTERNOON,
ALBERTO TORRICO MAY HAVE A STATE
COLLISION PREVENTION
ORGANIZATIONS JUST WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS
THAT ARE THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN
THE JUVENILE JUSTICE, WORLD AND
LESS. FEW YEARS, UM UNDER STATE
LAW, AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED
EARLIER. THE SCIENCE. THE POLICE
OFFICERS DON'T DISPUTE THE
SCIENCE OF BRAIN DEVELOPMENT TO
AGE OF 25. WHAT ANOTHER PART OF
THE SCIENCE THAT IS UNSTATED IS
THAT PHYSICALLY, A 25 YEAR OLD
IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THAT 15
OR 16 YEAR OLD. THEY'RE NOT
HOUSING THE SAME FACILITY. THE
OTHER THING IS THAT IN MANY OF
MANY OF THE COUNTY'S A MAJORITY
OR MORE OF THE OFFICERS ARE
WOMEN IN THE JUVENILE FACILITY
SO THAT THE SIZE DIFFERENTIAL IS
EXACERBATED. OVERWHELMING UH,
JUVENILE PROBATION OFFICERS,
PROVISION, OFFICERS AND MORE SO
JUVENILE THOSE WHO WORK WITH
JUVENILES ARE COMMITTED TO
REHABILITATION. IT'S GETTING
MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO GIVE
TO BE ABLE TO TUITION SERVICES
WHEN YOU'RE FACED WITH ASSAULTS.
OF STAFF ASSAULT BETWEEN THE
JUVENILE OFFENDERS TO GET THE
JOB IS HARDER. ANOTHER
OPPOSITION IS RAISING CONCERNS
ABOUT I THINK ONE OF THE LETTERS
SAID THAT THIS WAS THIS WAS NOT
A GOOD USE OF PUBLIC RESOURCES
AND WE SHOULD COME UP WITH
SOLUTIONS. WE HAVE, IN FACT,
PROPOSED SOLUTIONS IN THE PAST,
UH, INCREASING STAFFING,
MODERNIZING THE FACILITIES. WAYS
TO MAKE PEOPLE TO ENHANCE
REHABILITATION. THOSE THOSE
EFFORTS HAVE NOT BEEN SEEN
FAVORABLY HERE. WE THINK THIS IS
THE FIRST STEP. GATHERING THE
INFORMATION IN STARTING TO
BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LEVEL
OF ASSAULTS ARE WITH. THE LITTLE
INJURIES ARE AND TRYING TO MAKE.
THE FACILITIES ARE SAFER PLACE.
YES, I REPRESENT THE PROBATION
OFFICER STAFF BUT ALSO A SAFER
PLACE FOR THE JUVENILES THAT ARE
IN THE FACILITIES IN ORDER FOR
THEM TO GET TO BE ABLE TO
ACTUALLY NEED AND DESERVE. WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AND I WILL
THANK YOU, AND I ALSO WANT TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH THE BILL.
THANK YOU, DANIEL WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
ANNA LISA RUIZ. AND I'M, THE
POLICY DIRECTOR AT YOUNG MEN'S
FREEDOM CENTER. FOR NEARLY 30
YEARS, YOUNG ONES FREEDOM CENTER
HAS SUPPORTED, MENTORED AND
EMPLOYED FOLKS IMPACTED BY
INCARCERATION AS IMPACTED
INDIVIDUALS BUT NOT JUST
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BUT
PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE
SUPPORTING YOUTH FACILITIES
ACROSS THE STATE. WE OPPOSE A B
898. FIRST WE ACKNOWLEDGE AND
APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS, THE
AUTHORS EFFORT TO ADDRESS SAFETY
IN JUVENILE HALLS, HOWEVER, NOT
ONLY IS THERE ALREADY ASSISTED
IN PLACE FOR QUARTERLY REPORTING
TO THE DSCC OF ASSAULTS ON STAFF
THIS BILL LACKS NECESSARY
MEASURES TO CREATE THE CHANGES
NEEDED TO ENSURE CHOOSE SAFETY
FOR ALL A B 19 ATTEMPTS TO
CAPTURE DATA ON ALTERCATIONS
BETWEEN STAFF AND YOU WOULD HAVE
FAILED TO DO IS CAPTURE THE FULL
CONTEXT NEEDED TO CREATE
SOLUTIONS. BY SIMPLY GATHERING
THE AGE OF THE RESIDENT. THE
EXTENT OF THE INJURY WHETHER OR
NOT REPORT WAS FILED WITH THE D
A AND WHETHER CHARGES ARE FILED
AGAINST THE YOUTH, AND A FEW
EXTRA DATA POINTS IS CLEAR. THIS
BILL IS ONE SIDED AND ONLY WORKS
FOR FURTHER CRIMINALIZE AND
PERPETUATE THE NARRATIVE. SORRY.
THE NARRATIVE THAT YOUTH IN NEED
OF THE MOST RESOURCES ARE
VIOLENT. WHAT THE BILL DOESN'T
REQUEST OR ATTEMPT TO GATHER IS
WHAT EFFORTS WERE MADE TO
DEESCALATE. WHAT WERE THE
CONDITIONS AT THE TIME WHAT
PROGRAMS ARE BEING PROVIDED AND
MORE? THESE ARE ALL FACTORS WE
KNOW THAT CONTRIBUTES ATTENTION
AMONG STAFF AND YOUTH. WE CAN
SEE THE IMPACT OF ALL THESE
FACTORS, MOST RECENTLY IN MEDIA
COVERAGE IN L. A COUNTY YOUTH
HAVE REPORTED PHYSICAL AND
SEXUAL ASSAULT AND, MOST
RECENTLY BEING CONFINED
OURSELVES FOR LONG PERIODS OF
TIME. THERE'S NOT ONLY HAS TAKEN
AWAY FROM EDUCATIONAL,
RECREATIONAL AND OTHER
PROGRAMMING, BUT IT'S
SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN THAT THESE
CONDITIONS ARE DETRIMENTAL TO A
PERSON'S MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL
STATE, ESPECIALLY A CHILD OR A
YOUNG ADULT. ASIDE FROM THIS, WE
KNOW THIS CULTURE OF VIOLENCE
AND DEPRIVATION IS AN ISSUE IN
MULTIPLE FACILITIES ACROSS THE
STATE. WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE
WE'VE SEEN MULTIPLE DEVASTATING
INCIDENT SURFACED THE INTERNET
IN LOS ANGELES IN SAN MATEO
COUNTY IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY AND
MORE MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE KNOW
THIS BECAUSE AS IMPACTED
INDIVIDUALS ARE FOLKS HAS OUR
FOLKS HAVE FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE
THAT HASN'T BEEN CAPTURED IN THE
MEDIA. WE'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE
HARMFUL DYNAMIC BETWEEN
PROBATION STAFF IN YOUTH. THE
REALITY OF THIS IS NONE OF THIS
WILL CHANGE UNTIL WE'RE
COMMITTED TO CAPTURING THE
ENTIRE PICTURE OF WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN JUVENILE FACILITIES
REQUESTED. THIS BILL IS
INADEQUATE AND SIMPLY DOES NOT
DO ENOUGH TO INFORM BEST
PRACTICES AND SOLUTIONS. WE AS A
STATE WILL NOT SEE CHANGE UNTIL
THERE'S COMMITMENT TO CULTURE
CHANGE, PROPER DE ESCALATION,
TRAINING AND PROPERLY ALLOCATED
RESOURCES WHEN SUPPORTING YOUNG
PEOPLE, I RESPECTFULLY URGE OR
NO VOTE ON 88 98. THANK YOU. ANY
OTHER WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
LESLIE CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION. I
DON'T KNOW. PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO
GET TO THE FRONT. IT'S A LITTLE
CRAMPED IN HERE. NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. MORRIS COCKS. ALL
OF US ARE NONE IN OPPOSITION.
GERONIMO A GILARDI ON BEHALF OF
LEGAL SERVICES FOR PRISONERS
WITH CHILDREN AND STRONG
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. TATYANA
LEWIS AS WELL AS IN, UM STRONG
OPPOSITION WITH ALL OF US OR
NONE. MORE. ALL OF US ARE NONE
AND OPPOSITION. HENRY ORTIZ, ALL
OF US OR NONE. OPPOSING THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THAT WE'LL
BRING IT BACK. TO COMMITTEE MR
BRYANT PERSON IS ABOUT THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR. UM PRIOR TO BEING
A LEGISLATURE. I WAS A
RESEARCHER. UM SPECIALIZED IN
MIXED METHODS, AND AT ONE POINT
I HAD A PROBATION CONTRACT WITH
L. A COUNTY. AND I WENT UP TO
CAMP CHALLENGER WHEN IT WAS
HOUSING THE CHILDREN FROM
KILPATRICK FOR NINE MONTHS.
INTERVIEWING THE YOUNG PEOPLE
ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
MODEL. IT WASN'T GOING WELL. I
WENT INTO THE CAMP, I'D BE THERE
FOR 56 HOURS TALKING TO YOUTH
TALKING WITH STAFF. COLLECTING
DATA AND REPORTED THAT BACK TO
PROBATION AND ULTIMATELY WROTE A
REPORT. I BRING THAT UP? BECAUSE
THE DATA WE COLLECT HOW WE
COLLECT AND WHAT PURPOSE WE'RE
COLLECTING. IT HAS A HUGE IMPACT
ON UM, IT'S UTILITY. YOU
MENTIONED THAT YOURSELF EARLIER
. MY PROBLEM WITH THIS IS IT'S
CURRENTLY STRUCTURED IS THERE
THERE IS NO YOUTH VOICE IN IT.
THE DATA IS COLLECTED BY
PROBATION. IT'S SUBMITTED BY
PROBATION. IT UH COVERS ALL OF
THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO
PROBATION. I DON'T SEE, FOR
EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S A YOUTH ON
YOUTH ENCOUNTER WHY ARE WE NOT
QUALITATIVELY ASKING OR
INTERVIEWING THE YOUTH? WHY? I
CAN ALSO KNOW MANY INSTANCES
WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
ACROSS THE STATE CAN ESCALATE A
SITUATION AND THEN REPORT OUT
THAT A CONFLICT OCCURRED. WHEN
IF YOU TALK TO THE YOUNG PERSON,
THEY WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS
PARTICULAR PROBATION OFFICER YOU
KNOW, MAKES ME EAT LAST OR
DOESN'T ALWAYS TAKES MY BREATH
OR WHATEVER, LIKE, DOESN'T LET
ME GO OUT WHEN EVERYONE ELSE
GOES OUT. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS
ARE NOT CAPTURED HERE BECAUSE
THE YOUTH ARE NOT INCLUDED IN
ANY OF THE KEY DATA POINTS HERE,
AND SO MY BIGGER CONCERN WITH
THIS BILL IS NOT JUST WHERE IT
SITS BUT WHERE IT'S HEADED THE
WAY THIS DATA COLLECTED FOR
PROBATION BY PROBATION AND
REPORTED TO THE BCC. I SEE IF I
THINK IF WE PASS THIS OUT, AS
THIS IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WILL
BE BACK HERE IN LESS THAN TWO
YEARS WITH PROBATION, CITING
THIS DATA TO JUSTIFY THE USE OF
RETURNING PEPPER SPRAY RUBBER
BULLETS OR ALL KINDS OF STUFF
THAT THEY'D LIKE. AND I THINK
THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT WE NEED
TO ADDRESS THE TRAUMA FOR STAFF
AND YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE FACILITY
. I DO THINK WE SHOULD COLLECT
DATA. I DO THINK THERE IS AN
APPROACH HERE. BUT THE WAY THE
BILL IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, I
DON'T SEE THE YOUTH VOICE AND
SINCE THIS IS ABOUT THEM FOR
THEM, UM FOR THEIR BENEFIT FOR
THEIR FUTURE, THE WAY THAT THAT
FUTURE RELATES TO THE GREATER
PUBLIC AT LARGE. I THINK WE HAVE
TO FIND WAYS TO INCLUDE THEIR
VOICE INTO WHAT'S REPORTED TO BE
SEC OR, ALTERNATIVELY, HAVE
ANOTHER REPORTING MECHANISM
BESIDES THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF.
TO COLLECT THIS DATA AND
REPORTED UPWARDS. UM I JUST HAVE
SOME CONCERNS. CHAIR. COULD I
HAVE MY WITNESS RESPOND TO THAT?
HMM. DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND?
THANK YOU, MA'AM. SORRY. MY
BRAND. YOUR POINT. YOU'RE
EXTREMELY WELL TAKEN. UM WE TOOK
AT THE BEHEST OF THE COMMITTEE
CONSULTANT. SEVERAL WEEKS AGO
EXPANDED THE SCOPE OF THE DID.
IT DID HAVE A COLLECTION TO
INCLUDE THE INJURIES FOR THE
YOUTH. I REPRESENT MY
ORGANIZATION REPRESENTS THE RANK
AND FILE PROBATION OFFICERS, SO
I WILL TAKE EXCEPTION TO BEING,
YOU KNOW, CHARACTERS AS
PROBATION. WE ARE. THE OFFICERS
WERE NOT THE MANAGEMENT OF THE
OF THE FACILITIES. SO THERE IS A
MAJOR DIFFERENCE. WE ARE THE
PURPOSES ABILITY TO COLLECT
INFORMATION. UH, BECAUSE THAT
INFORMATION IS NOT FORTHCOMING
TODAY. EVEN WITHIN AND EVEN
WITHIN INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
ALL THAT BEING SAID. I THINK
THAT YOUR SUGGESTION IS
EXTREMELY WELL TAKEN. DOCTOR AND
I HAVE DISCUSSED HERE TODAY THAT
IF YOUR AMENDMENT IS THAT THE
REPORT INCLUDES A STATEMENT FROM
THE YOUTH REGARDING THE
ALTERCATION WHERE HE OR SHE
EXPLAINS WHAT HAPPENED? I DON'T
HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE AN
INJECTION. THAT AMENDMENT.
OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T TAKE IT
TODAY, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE
IT AS THE BILL GOES ON TO
APPROACH UM THAT WE DON'T OBJECT
THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT
AMENDMENT AND COMMIT TO THAT
AMENDMENT TODAY. I THINK THAT
THAT WOULD THAT WOULD THAT WOULD
MAKE THAT GOOD FOR ME IS IF THAT
STATEMENT IS ALSO NOT COLLECTED
BY PROBATION. THAT IF, UH,
NEUTRAL. UH IF AN INCIDENT
HAPPENS, UH, THAT THERE IS A
PARTY TO TALK TO THE YOUNG
PERSON TO GET THEIR PERSPECTIVE
AND TO INCLUDE THAT INTO
WHATEVER DATA IS BEING
COLLECTED. I WOULD APPRECIATE
THAT. I DON'T THINK IT IT MAKES
A LOT OF SENSE FOR A YOUNG
PERSON WHO IS HOUSED IN A
FACILITY OVERSEEN BY CIVILITY
BEING ASKED BY SOMEBODY THAT
THEY COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A
CONFLICT WITH ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED. AND THEN THAT DATA
THEN BEING USED AGAINST THEM.
THAT COULD SEE PROBLEMS THERE AS
WELL. BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO
INCORPORATE THEIR VOICE IN A
WAY. THAT IS AS IMPARTIAL AS
POSSIBLE. YEAH I DON'T SEE ANY
ISSUE WITH THAT. OTHER THAN
POTENTIAL COSTS, BUT I THINK WE
CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT THAT THAT
MAKES SENSE IN INTEGRATED.
EXISTING STAFF THAT AREN'T
PROBATION STAFF BECAUSE, AS YOU
KNOW, WE HAVE MANY STAFF INSIDE
THE INSIDE OF THESE FACILITIES
THAT AREN'T PROBATION, THEIR
DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY SERVICES
THAT CAN BE EDUCATED SITE. I
THINK THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED
AS WELL. I TRUST THE WITNESS A
LOT OF RESPECT FOR THE WITNESS
AND THE PROCESS. I THINK
SOMETHING CAN BE WORKED OUT. BUT
I THINK WE SHOULD WORK A FEW
THINGS OUT. BONTA. MR LOCKIE, I
FULLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION.
UH AND THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT
YOU PUT BEHIND THIS LEGISLATION
HAVING NOW SAT ON THE BUDGET SUB
FIVE WITH YOU? I SIT NEXT TO YOU
AND EXPERIENCE THE INCREDIBLE
FRUSTRATION WITH NOT HAVING THE
KIND OF TRANSPARENCY THAT WE
NEED AND RECOGNIZE THAT THAT IS
THE THAT IS REALLY I I'VE BEEN
THERE FOR A SHORT TIME. YOU'VE
BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. UM,
HAVING TO NOT GET THE
INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN
ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE. AH
QUALITY QUALIFIED AND GOOD
DECISIONS ABOUT HOW OUR
RESOURCES ARE ARE USED. I THINK
WITH THE AMENDMENTS THAT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BRIAN IS
PROPOSING THAT WOULD REALLY
PROVIDE MUCH MORE OF AN EVEN
HANDED AND TO THE OPPOSITIONS TO
THE OPPOSITION'S TESTIMONY, MUCH
MORE ROBUST AND EVEN HANDED, UH
PURVIEW OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY
HAPPENING THERE. I'D BE IN
SUPPORT OF IT. AND CERTAINLY
TRUST YOUR ABILITY AS AN AUTHOR
TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THAT HAPPENS AND UM AND IF WE
ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET THAT
INFORMATION, I THINK IT'S GOING
TO MAKE US ALL THE MORE WISER
AND BETTER OFF AND WOULD
ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE
FRUSTRATION AND CHALLENGES THAT
WE HAVE AND MAKING SURE THAT
WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
THANK YOU. THAT'S DOMINIQUE. I
JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL AND THANK OUR
COLLEAGUES ALSO FOR BRINGING
VERY VALID POINTS UP. AND IT
LOOKS LIKE WE JUST SAW SOMETHING
HAPPEN RIGHT HERE. SO GLAD TO BE
PART OF THAT AS WELL. AND I'LL
BE SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. DO MY CLOTHES. I
DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S MUCH
MORE TO SAY AFTER ESPECIALLY
AFTER QUANTUM PAID THE
COMPLIMENT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT
THIS IS JUST ABOUT GATHERING.
GOOD INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN
MAKE GOOD POLICY AFTERWARD. UM
SO OFTEN. WE ARE AFRAID TO
GATHER DATA BECAUSE WE DON'T
TRUST AND THIS IS HOW WE BUILD
TRUST IS BY MY BECOMING
TRANSPARENT AND GET GATHERING
GOOD DATA. AND SO THE SUGGESTION
THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD IS A
VALID ONE. AND WE WILL
DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
THAT SUGGESTION BECAUSE WE DO
WANT TO BE FAIR HANDED, BUT WE
ALSO WANT TO GET GOOD
INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE
GOOD POLICY THAT I GOT TO WHAT
FOLLOWS. AND I WOULD JUST ASK
FOR SUPPORT ON THIS MEASURE.
LIKE I'M SORRY I CUT OFF. I JUST
WANT TO SAY A I WAS I MISSED
SOME OF THE COMMENTS EARLIER.
I'M SORRY I WAS IN HIGHER AD.
BUT WHEN I READ THIS BILL, I WAS
WONDERING WHY I CAME TO PUBLIC
SAFETY BECAUSE THE WAY I LOOKED
AT IT LOOKS LIKE MORE OF A
WORKPLACE SAFETY BILL AND WAS
WONDERING WHY IT WAS NOT IN
LABOR REASON I'M SUPPORTING IT
IS BECAUSE I HEAR OFTEN HERE.
YOU KNOW, WORKPLACE INJURIES
HAPPENING TO NURSES HAPPENING TO
OTHER WORK, YOU KNOW,
CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, ETCETERA.
AND SO THIS TO ME LOOKED LIKE A
WORKPLACE SAFETY ISSUE THAT
REQUIRES DATA TO BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
ARE HAPPENING WITH THE SHORT
STAFFING. UM SO TODAY I'LL BE
SUPPORTING THIS BILL BECAUSE OF
THAT. THANK YOU. I JUST HOPE IT
DOESN'T GET TRIPLE REFERRED.
YEAH. YOU MAKE LOOK HELLO. I
JUST DID US, RIGHT, MAN. AND I
WANT TO THANK YOU AND JUST I WAS
JUST GOING TO ADD A LITTLE TO
THIS ONLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN
DEALING WITH THIS WITH L. A
PROBATION. AND I'VE BEEN IN
CONVERSATIONS WITH SUPERVISOR
MITCHELL AND SUPERVISOR HORVATH.
AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE PUTTING
EMOTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR L. A
PROBATION TO REALLY CHANGE THE
CULTURE. OF L. A PROBATION, ONE
OF THE THINGS THEY'RE LOOKING AT
THE Y D DIVISION OF YOUTH
DIVERSION. THAT THEY DO SOME OF
THE ANALYSIS ALONG WITH THE CEO
COUNTY COUNCIL, UM, THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO
BE THEY HAD, I THINK RIGHT NOW,
THE WAY UM, CONTRACTS ARE
WRITTEN TO CHIEF PROBATION
OFFICER IS THE ONE THAT MAKES
DECISIONS AND DOES THE ANALYSIS
? WELL, THAT HAS NOT BEEN
WORKING VERY WELL. FOR L A. AND
SO I HAD A BILL WHICH WOULD HAVE
TAKEN THAT GIVEN BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS, THE ABILITY TO PUT
WHOMEVER OVER THAT, ESPECIALLY
IF THE CULTURE WAS RESISTANT. TO
THE NEW WAY OF DEALING WITH
YOUNG PEOPLE. UM I WILL BE
WORKING WITH THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS. TO CHANGE THE WAY
WE DEAL WITH PROBATION THERE IN
THE ATROCITIES THAT ARE OVER
THERE. TOO NUMEROUS TO NAME AND,
UM. AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
I'VE SEEN ON VIDEOS OF HOW YOUNG
PEOPLE ARE BEING TREATED.
ACCUSATIONS OF YOUNG WOMAN BEING
RAPED AND IT'S NOT THE WOMEN
GUARDS THAT ARE DOING IT. THE
NUMBERS ARE SURROUNDING, OR TWO
HERE. TO SAY WELL. I DON'T THINK
A LOT OF THEM WERE FAKE ONES.
WELL, JUST ONE JUST ONE PERSON
UNDER THEIR CARE. ONE WOMAN
UNDER THEIR CARE, BEING RAPED IS
INTRUSIVE AND BEYOND, IF YOU
WANT TO SEE ME GET ANGRY,
LETTING THAT GET AWAY, SO AS YOU
GET THE DATA ONE OF THE THINGS
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, WHICH
HAS HAPPENED TO MY STAFF. WHEN
THEY'VE GONE OUT TO L. A COUNTY
TO VIEW AND TO SEE WHAT'S GOING
ON. THEY WERE TURNED AWAY FROM
TALKING TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE
BECAUSE THEY'RE TOLD THAT BY
COURT ORDER, THEY CAN'T TALK TO
THE YOUNG PEOPLE. SO WHILE YOU
MAY WANT TO DO THIS I DON'T WANT
TO FIND OUT A MONTH FROM NOW SIX
MONTHS FROM NOW. PROBATION THEN
SAYS, GET BACK. YOU CAN'T TALK
TO THESE YOUNG PEOPLE TO FIND
OUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING OUT
FROM THEIR VIEW. BECAUSE.
THEY'RE JUVENILES AND UNDERAGE
AND WE CAN'T TALK TO THEM. I
THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT MY
PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF CAN'T TALK
TO THEM. OR YOU MOVE. THEM FROM
. ONE JUVENILE HALL TO ANOTHER
SO PEOPLE CAN'T TALK TO THEM. I
THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HEARING
FROM HERE. WHY ARE WE HIDING
THAT? WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU KNOW,
WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT. YOU'RE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. MR LACKEY IS
TO GET THAT TRANSPARENCY. UM THE
B S C C HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET
INFORMATION, SO WE NEED TO WE
NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT
WE CAN ACTUALLY FIND OUT WHAT'S
ACTUALLY GOING ON IN ALL OF THE
JUVENILE FACILITIES. THAT WOULD
SAY ESPECIALLY, WE NEED TO WORK
WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SO
THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE WHAT THEY
NEED. WE CAN'T JUST SAY. BUILD
ME A NEW FACILITY. AND
EVERYTHING WILL BE OK. BECAUSE
THOSE ABUSES CAN HAPPEN. A NICE
, CLEAN SPANKING NEW FACILITY,
JUST AS THEY HAVE IN THE
DILAPIDATED CONDITIONS THEY ARE
NOW. SO WE GOT TO GET TO THE
CULTURE INTO THE WHAT'S GOING ON
THERE. WE GOT TO GET PEOPLE TO
COME TO WORK. WE GOT TO KEEP
PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY WANT TO TAKE
CARE OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE, AND
NOW THEY NEED MORE THAN JUST
CARETAKING. THEY NEED MENTAL
HEALTH. TRYING TO REFORM CARE
EDUCATION. THERE'S A LOT OF
OTHER THINGS THAT THEY NEED
RIGHT NOW. AND SO I DO WANT THIS
TO MOVE FORWARD. I DO WANT THIS
TO HAPPEN, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS
TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. THEN WHAT
YOU HAVE, AND I THINK THAT'S
WHAT THE OPPOSITION IS SAYING.
YEAH BECAUSE I THINK AT THE END
OF THE DAY, THE MORE INFORMATION
YOU GET, THE BETTER WILL BE ABLE
TO MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE
EVALUATION OF WHAT ULTIMATELY IS
NEEDED. AND SO I THINK WE CAN
MAKE THOSE CHANGES. IF YOU AGREE
TO IT. UM WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO
MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THIS IS
BEING RECORDED, OK? HMM IS THERE
A MOTION IS THERE A SECOND?
SECOND. CALL CALL THE ROLL ON A
B 8 98 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
LACKEY. THE MOTION IS PASSED TO
THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE,
JOHN SAWYER. I ER I ELONIS MANTA
MANTA. I BRIAN BRIAN, NOT VOTING
LACKEY. LUCKY I ORTEGA ORTEGA I
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO EYES UBER
SUPER. AYE. THE MEASURE PASSES,
MR MCCARTY, YOU'RE YOU'RE HERE.
THERE YOU GO. ITEM NUMBER 15. A
B 807 MCCARTHY POLICE USE OF
FORCE. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY,
OKAY? THE LAST BILL, RIGHT? NO
NO, THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I'M
HERE TO PRESENT A MEASURE
RELATED TO OFFICER INVOLVED
SHOOTINGS AND INDEPENDENT
INVESTIGATIONS. THIS IS NOT A
NEW TOPIC FOR THE COMMITTEE AND
SEVERAL OF YOU ON HERE. I'VE
HEARD SEVERAL VERSIONS OF THIS
BEFORE. THIS BILL IS BASED UPON
A SIMPLE PREMISE THAT POLICE
SHOULD NOT POLICE THEMSELVES.
IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED WE GET
WITH WITH THAT YOU GET, UM NOT
ALWAYS THE GOOD PRODUCT AT THE
END, BUT YOU GET A TAINTING OF
THE PROCESS OF PEOPLE DON'T
TRUST THE OUTCOME. IT'S JUST WHY
THIS COMMITTEE IN THE
LEGISLATURE, UM THREE YEARS AGO
, PASSED MY MEASURE WITH
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. I WILL NOTE
THAT THEN VICE CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE UP, SPOKE UP ON THIS
ON THE ON THE FLOOR. TO MAKE
SURE WE BRING INDEPENDENT
INVESTIGATIONS FOR OFFICER
INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. HOWEVER AT
THE 11TH HOUR WE HAD TWO
ATTEMPTS AND FOCUS ON A
COMPROMISE, WHICH USUALLY
HAPPENS THAT WE ONLY FOCUSED ON
OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS OF AN
UNARMED CIVILIANS. SO WHAT DOES
THAT MEAN THAT ROUGHLY HALF HALF
OF THE FATALITIES IN THE HANDS
OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AREN'T
COVERED BY THIS? SO THINK OF THE
DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD. IT WASN'T
AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING,
HOWEVER, THERE WAS A FATALITY,
OF COURSE, THINKING INSISTENCE
WHERE THERE IS DEBATE AS FAR AS
WHAT IS ARMED? YOU KNOW, I'VE
HEARD FROM DÍAS ACROSS THE STATE
ACTIVIST BILL WAS IMPLEMENTED
THAT FOCUS ON YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY
HAD A FIREARM. WHAT IF THEY HAD
A MACHETE? WHAT IF THEY HAD
GARDENING SHEARS WALKING BACK
FROM WORK, AND SO THERE'S A LOT
OF DEBATE AND AMBIGUITY SO
FOLLOWING UP ON THE BILL FROM
THREE YEARS AGO, THE IDEA WAS WE
WANTED TO GIVE THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL UM SOME TIME TO
IMPLEMENT THIS OUT OF THE GATE
AND THEN FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE
WE COVER ALL, UM, FATALITIES AT
THE HANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THIS IS ABOUT BRINGING BACK
PUBLIC TRUST IN THE PROCESS.
THIS IS NOT A NOVEL IDEA. AT THE
TIME THERE WERE FIVE OTHER
STATES WHO HAD IMPLEMENTED
BEFORE CALIFORNIA. I THINK TWO
OR THREE MORE HAVE DONE SO AFTER
THAT SUMMER OF 2020 AND THE IDEA
OF INDEPENDENT POLICE REFORM,
AND WITH THAT I ASK THIS
COMMITTEE TO FOUR TO FURTHER
THIS WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
COVER ALL OFFICER INVOLVED
DEATHS AT THE HANDS OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND WITH ME TODAY
ARE A C L U AND THE PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I
BUILT. THANK YOU. FIVE MINUTES
AND AFTERNOON. UM LESLIE
CALDWELL, HOUSTON FOR THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT OF
ASSEMBLY, BILL 807. I WAS THE
CHIEF DEFENDER OF SOLANO COUNTY
AND A MIDSIZE COUNTY FOR 10
YEARS IN THAT TIME PERIOD,
ALEJO'S POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
AGENCY IN MY COUNTY WAS
RESPONSIBLE FOR 19 CITIZEN
DEATHS, MOST OF THEM BY GUNFIRE.
WELL IT WAS CLAIMED THEY WERE
INVESTIGATED BY THE DEPARTMENT,
ALONG WITH THE LOCAL DISTRICT
ATTORNEY. EVERY SINGLE DEATH WAS
FOUND TO BE JUSTIFIED. IT WAS
LATER DISCOVERED THAT MANY
WITNESSES WERE NOT INTERVIEWED
AND INVESTIGATIONS WERE NOT
COMPLETE. BY THE TIME UNARMED
SEAN MONTERROSO WAS SHOT TO
DEATH BY THE VALLEJO POLICE IN
2020. THE PUBLIC WAS SO ENRAGED
AT THE SITUATION THAT THE
DISTRICT ATTORNEY RECUSED
HERSELF AND YET AT THAT TIME,
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL REFUSED TO
INVESTIGATE THE DEATH BY POLICE
GUNFIRE. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE
LAW CHANGED TO ALLOW THE A G TO
INVESTIGATE DEATHS AT THE HANDS
OF THE POLICE, BUT NOT IN ALL
INSTANCES. THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS AND POLICE HAVE THEIR
JURISDICTION WORK HAND IN HAND,
NECESSARILY. RAISING QUESTIONS,
HOWEVER, ABOUT THE IMPARTIALITY
OF INVESTIGATIONS OF THEMSELVES
. THIS RELATIONSHIP CAUSES MANY
ISSUES OF BIAS AND CONFLICT OF
INTEREST. WELL THE BEST MAJORITY
OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
CONDUCT CONDUCT THEMSELVES
ETHICALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY.
SOMETIMES THINGS HAPPEN. THAT
SHOULD NOT WE HAVE SEEN FAR TOO
MANY UNARMED OR ARMED MENTALLY
ILL OR UM INDIVIDUALS OR
SURRENDERING CITIZENS KILLED BY
OFFICERS WHO ARE SWORN AND
TRAINED TO PROTECT OUR
COMMUNITIES. IT'S CRITICAL THAT
WE CLOSED THE GAP IN THE LAW AND
REQUIRE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO
INVESTIGATE ALL ALONG
ENFORCEMENT INVOLVES CIVILIAN
FIELD DESK AS WE DESPERATELY
NEED THE ACCOUNTABILITY
TRANSPARENCY AND THE OVERSIGHT
OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN
CALIFORNIA AND NATIONALLY, WE
RESPECTFULLY URGE ARRIUS SPOKE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CARMEN
NICOLE COX. GOOD AFTERNOON TO
EACH OF YOU ON BEHALF OF A CEO,
YOU CALIFORNIA ACTION. I'M
SPEAKING IN STRONG SUPPORT OF A
B 807 AND WANT TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MCCARTHY FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. OF
COURSE, WHILE NOT PERFECT, AND
IN NEED OF ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
. THE BOJ'S REVIEW OF FATALITIES
RESULTING FROM POLICE CONDUCT
HAS BEEN MORE EFFICIENT AND
TRANSPARENT THAN SOME OF THE
LARGEST AGENCIES IN THE STATE.
THE DOJ IS MANDATE TO CONDUCT
INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS OF
FATAL OFFICER INVOLVED.
SHOOTINGS BECAME EFFECTIVE JULY
1 2021 THE VERY NEXT MONTH,
GUADALUPE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOT
AND KILLED AN INNOCENT BYSTANDER
. JUAN LUIS OLIVEIRA PRECIADO.
IT WAS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE
TRAGEDY. THE DOJ COMPLETED THAT
INVESTIGATION AND APPROXIMATELY
16 MONTHS. UM BY COMPARISON IN
JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, THE SAN
BERNARDINO COUNTY D. A S OFFICE
COMPLETED ITS REVIEW OF AN
OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THAT
OCCURRED IN DECEMBER. 18 2020 A
FULL TWO YEARS LATER AND IN
DECEMBER 2019 FATAL SHOOTING
THAT WASN'T COMPLETE UNTIL
DECEMBER. 2022 3 YEARS LATER.
NEITHER REPORT OFFERED
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVING
OFFICER CONDUCT AND BOTH TOOK
LONGER THAN THE A G S OFFICE HAS
TAKEN TO COMPLETE JUST TWO
INVESTIGATIONS. NOW I WOULD LIKE
TO SEE DOJ INVESTIGATIONS
COMPLETED SOONER. SURELY WE
CAN'T ARGUE THAT THESE
INVESTIGATIONS ARE TAKING SO
LONG THAT THEY SHOULD REMAIN
LIMITED REMAIN LIMITED. THAT
ARGUMENT PROVES TOO MUCH. WHAT A
B EIGHT OH 76 TO DO IS TO ADD
GREATER TRANSPARENCY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY. THE KIND THAT WE
EXPECTED TO GET AFTER SB 14 29
14 21 IN 2019, YET A REVIEW OF
FOR EXAMPLE, THE BAKERSFIELD PDS
14 21 WEB PAGE SAYS, QUOTE. WE
APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY. WE'RE
WORKING TO ORGANIZE AND PRESENT
THIS INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC
AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THE
RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF DOES
NOT EVEN POST 14 21 RECORDS.
UNTIL AND UNLESS A REQUEST IS
MADE SO APPARENTLY NO REQUEST
HAS EVER BEEN MADE FOR INCIDENTS
IN WHICH THE USE OF FORCE
RESULTED IN A DECK OR IN GREAT
BODILY INJURY BECAUSE THERE IS
NONE ON THEIR PAGE. A B 807
SHOULD BE ENACTED BECAUSE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES APPEAR TO
BE RESISTANT TO PROVIDE THE
TRANSPARENCY NEEDED FOR THE
COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP TRUST AND
HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. TO BE
SURE, CHP DOES NOT REPORT ON ITS
WEBSITE, THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS
INVOLVED FATALITIES THIS MORNING
. I SPENT 15 MINUTES SEARCHING
THE WEBSITE AND THE BEST I FOUND
WAS A LINK THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO
BE TO THEIR REPORT DATA. THAT
LINK REQUIRES ME TO LOG IN AS A
CHP EMPLOYEE TO GAIN ACCESS. I
AM GOING TO JUST SKIP TO THE END
HERE BECAUSE I KNOW MY TIME IS
UP, SIR, AND SAY A B 807 HELPED
SHINE A LIGHT ON FATAL POLICE
CONDUCT THAT WE CANNOT EXPECT
THEM TO TURN ON THEMSELVES. AND
FOR THAT WE URGE YOUR I VOTE.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS IN SUPPORT
NAME AND ORGANIZATION. DANA
GORDON ON BEHALF INITIATE
JUSTICE IN CALIFORNIA'S FOR
SAFETY AND JUSTICE. REBECA
GONZALEZ NATIONALISTS
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER AND SUPPORT.
JIM LINDBERG, ON BEHALF OF THE
FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
OF CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT.
LAURENCE COX. ALL OF US ARE
NONSUPPORT. TATIANA LEWIS WITH
LEGAL SERVICES FOR PRISONERS
WITH CHILDREN AND STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. JOHN VASQUEZ
AND COMMUNITY NOW RESTORED A FEW
JUSTICE SUPPORT. JOANNE SHEER
FELONY MURDER ELIMINATION
PROJECT IN FULL SUPPORT. ALYSSA
MORE ALL OF US ARE NOT IN FULL
SUPPORT. HENRY ORTIZ SULLIVAN IN
SACRAMENTO CHAPTER STRONG
SUPPORT. MARY LOU RISOTTO, MOMS
DEMAND ACTION VOLUNTEER AND
FORMER POLICE OFFICER IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ANY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION?
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, COREY SOESILO ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION OPPOSED TO
A B EIGHT OH, SEVEN, AS THE
AUTHOR STATED DURING THE
DISCUSSIONS ON A B 15 OH, SIX, A
BROADER MANDATE SIMILAR TO
WHAT'S CONTAINED IN THIS BILL
WAS CONSIDERED BUT ULTIMATELY
REJECTED. BE ENACTED VERSION OF
THAT BILL WAS LIMITED TO OFFICER
INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, RESULTING IN
THE DEATH OF AN UNARMED
CIVILIAN. SINCE THE OPERATIVE
DATE OF 80 15. OH, SIX, DOJ HAS
DISPENSED WITH ONLY TWO OF THE
QUALIFYING CASES THAT IT IS
ACCEPTED. AND THERE ARE 34
PENDING CASES. IT'S WORTH NOTING
THAT NEITHER OF THESE TWO CASES
THAT HAVE BEEN RESOLVED WERE
FOUND TO JUSTIFY CRIMINAL
CHARGES AGAINST THE INVOLVED
OFFICERS. THE QUESTION OF WHAT?
SO WHAT'S A WEAPON OR WHAT'S
ARMED DOJ HAS PRODUCED
GUIDELINES OF ITS OWN AS TO WHAT
ARMED MEANS AND IT'S NOT JUST
FIREARMS. UM THE NOTE ABOUT, UM,
COMPARING THE LENGTH OF TIME
THAT IT'S TAKEN TO RESOLVE THESE
CASES VERSUS OTHER OFFICER
INVOLVED. CASES ARE NOT APPLES
TO APPLES, NECESSARILY, WITHOUT
KNOWING THE DETAILS OF THE CASE
, AND WHY POTENTIALLY ONE WAS
MORE COMPLICATED THAN ANOTHER OR
NOTING THAT THE FACT THAT THE
CASE MAY HAVE ALSO BEEN
SIMULTANEOUSLY INVESTIGATED BY A
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
GIVEN THE TIME IT TAKES FOR DOJ
TO COMPLETE THESE CASES, THE
OTHER CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH
MAYBE 15. OH, SIX INVESTIGATIONS
AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT I MEAN BY
THAT IS THAT THIS IS NOT A
FUNCTION THAT DOJ REALLY HAD
PRIOR TO MAYBE 15 OR SIX THERE
TO STAND UP AN ENTIRE UNIT. HIRE
INVESTIGATORS, UM, THAT HAVE
EXPERIENCE IN UH, HOMICIDE
INVESTIGATIONS JUST NOT A TASK
THAT DOJ WAS DOING PRIOR TO
MAYBE. 15 OH, SIX. AND SO, UM,
THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN
CHALLENGING. I THINK THEY'VE
DONE A FAIRLY GOOD JOB GETTING
THOSE CASES, UM IN FRONT OF
PEOPLE AND TRYING TO RESPOND
TIMELY, BUT THE REALITY IS THEY
HAVE FOUR TEAMS THAT ARE
AVAILABLE TO RESPOND, UM,
STATEWIDE, SO IT'S CAN BE
CHALLENGING. THERE IS NOT ALWAYS
AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE. IT
CREATES CHALLENGES. WITH
PROTECTING A CRIME SCENE OR WITH
A SCENE OF WHERE SOMEBODY HAS
BEEN SHOT. UM DOJ DOES NOT HAVE
THE RESOURCES TO ADEQUATELY
IMPLEMENT A B 15. OH, SIX. AS IT
STANDS. THIS BILL CONTAINS NO
FUNDING TO FUN D OR J TO TAKE ON
THIS MASSIVE EXPANSION. OF THE
AUTHORITY. THIS NEW MANDATE
WOULD SLOW DOWN INVESTIGATIONS,
WHICH RESPECTFULLY ALREADY
TAKING TOO LONG AND SUBJECTS
OFFICERS TO MORE UNCERTAINTY AS
IT RELATES TO THEIR ACTIONS FOR
THOSE REASONS, RESPECTFULLY WERE
OPPOSED TO THE BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THEY NEED OUR
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. CNN
WILL BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE.
YES, MR BRYANT. I THINK THIS IS
A GOOD BILL. I'M SORRY THAT THE
COMPROMISE WAS MADE THE FIRST
TIME I BROUGHT THE FAMILY OF
KEENAN ANDERSON UP HERE TWO
CHAMBERS TO ADJOURN IN HIS
MEMORY. JUST EARLIER THIS YEAR,
HE WAS TASED SIX TIMES BY THE
LAPD AND UNDER 40 SECONDS AND
THEN WENT INTO CARDIAC ARREST
AND DIED. THAT'S ONE OF THOSE
INCIDENTS THAT WOULDN'T BE
COVERED. UNDER EXISTING LAW. IT
WOULD BE UNDER THIS AND SO I SEE
WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS. IT MAKES
A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. UM I THINK
THE D O. J NOT HAVING CAPACITY
COULD BE AN ISSUE, BUT I DON'T
THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE FOR THIS
COMMITTEE. NECESSARILY TO
DECIDE. I THINK YOU'RE GONNA
HAVE TO NAVIGATE THAT THROUGH
THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S A GREAT
BILL. THANK YOU, MR LENNOX.
ALRIGHT 100% TRANSPARENCY GREAT
. I I'M TOTALLY FOR THAT. BUT
THE SAME CONCERNS THAT WERE
BROUGHT UP. IS THE DOJ AWARE OF
THIS BILL OR THEY SPONSORING OR
ANY PART OF IT? YEAH THERE THEY
ARE WELL AWARE OF THE BILL BEEN
WORKING EXTENSIVELY WITH MR
BONTA IMPLEMENTING THIS. UM HE
TOOK OFFICE RIGHT WHEN THIS WAS
IN EFFECT, AND HE WAS A JOINT
AUTHOR OF MY BILL, AND THAT,
IRONICALLY BECAME A G SIX MONTHS
LATER, SO HE HELPED WRITE IT AND
NOW HE'S IMPLEMENTING IT. I WILL
SAY I WILL TAKE A LITTLE
OFFENSE. THIS BILL WAS NOT
REJECTED THIS VERSION. AS THE
WITNESS OVER HERE IS KENNY WAS
MY BILL. AND I AMENDED IT TO
BASICALLY, UM BASIC. WE
STREAMLINE THE ELEMENTS OF IT
WITH THE NEGOTIATION WITH THE
GOVERNOR. BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR
SAID, HEY, THIS IS A NEW TASK IN
CALIFORNIA. IT IT'S SORT THROUGH
THE LEGISLATURE WITH THE ENTIRE
PIECE OF IT, BUT LET'S SEE HOW
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CAN DO THIS
FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND SO
NOW WE ARE ALMOST TWO YEARS IN
THIS BILL WENT INTO EFFECT,
PASSES SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR
WOULD GO INTO EFFECT NEXT
JANUARY. SO BE 2.5 YEARS AND
MAYBE I HAVE ANOTHER YEAR
IMPLEMENTATION. WE HAVEN'T
DECIDED ON THAT. THIS WOULD KICK
IN. BUT THE NOTION WAS THIS IS A
NEW SET OF WORK FOR THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL AND HIS TEAM. LET'S GIVE
IT A COUPLE OF YEARS. LET'S SEE
HOW MUCH IT COSTS. AND WE'LL GO
FROM THERE. UM THERE HAVE BEEN
JUST TO, UM, BASICALLY
CONCLUSIONS FROM THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE
THEM COME OUT SOON. I'M TOLD
THAT A LOT ARE COMING, BUT I'D
RATHER BE RIGHT THAN FAST AND HE
COULD PUSH THEM OUT REALLY FAST
AND NOT GET IT RIGHT. AND THE
NOTION HERE IS WE WANT TO HAVE
MORE TRANSPARENT AND FAIR
OUTCOMES. IT'S NOT ABOUT UM,
LOCKING UP AN OFFICER IT'S ABOUT
IF AN OFFICER DOES CROSS THE
LINE THAT OFFICER HE OR SHE
NEEDS SOME HELP ACCOUNTABLE,
LIKE LIKE YOU WOULD AGREE IN
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, YOU CROSS
THE LINE, YOU'LL BE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE. IT'S ALSO WHO'S
MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. AND ARE
THEY FAIR AND TOO OFTEN THE
COZINESS BETWEEN LOCAL
PROSECUTORS AND LOCAL POLICE
DEPARTMENTS. EVERYTHING COMES IN
AND OUT. SO THIS GIVES US THE
OPPORTUNITY TO IMPLEMENT THE
CURRENT LAW AND WORK WITH THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL TO BASICALLY
EXPAND THE SCOPE AS WE HAD
INITIALLY DRAFTED THE BILL IN
2020 AND I, UH IN THE BILL, AND
I APOLOGIZE. I'VE READ ALL THE
DETAILS OF YOUR BILL. BUT I KNOW
WHAT DOJ RIGHT NOW ARE
INVESTIGATING WHAT THEY'RE DOING
NOW. I KNOW THEY'RE RELYING A
LOT ON THE AGENCIES THEMSELVES
JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SPREAD
ACROSS THE STATE AS WELL WAS
BROUGHT UP. IS THERE SOMETHING
IN YOUR BILL? ALSO THAT MAYBE
ADDRESS THAT ALSO TO ALLOW THAT
BECAUSE I, UNFORTUNATELY
SOMETIMES OUR CRIME SCENES ARE
PLACES WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO GET
OPEN TO, BUT WE NEED TO FREEZE,
UM FOR EVIDENCE REASONS AND MAKE
SURE THAT THE INVESTIGATION IS
100% TAKEN CARE OF. SO THE
TIMELY MANNER THAT WAS BROUGHT
UP? I FEAR ALSO THAT MAYBE IF
THE DOJ DOESN'T HAVE THE
RESOURCES TO PROPERLY ADDRESS
THE CRIME SCENE IS THERE MAY BE
SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE IN YOUR
BILL ON THAT THAT MAY BE
ADDRESSED THAT FOR THE TIME
BEING, YEAH, THERE WILL BE A
FINANCIAL PEACE WITH THIS. WE
ARE NEGOTIATING WITH THE EIGHT
WELL AS WE MOVE ALONG
WE REALIZE IT WILL COST
MORE TO ESSENTIALLY
DOUBLE THE WORK SO
THIS IS A PILOT FOR
TWO YEARS AND SO
LAST YEAR'S BUDGET
WE DID GIVE THEM MORE
RESOURCES TO FOCUS ON
SAKE QUIT IT NEEDS AND
THEY FEEL THAT THEY'RE
NOW YOU'LL LAUNCHING
THIS AND AND KNOWING
WHAT IT TAKES AND SO
THE GOOD NEWS IS YOUR
I DIDN'T JUST COME BACK
A YEAR LATER I WANT
TO WAIT A COUPLE YEARS
UNTIL SEE HOW THIS
PLAYS OUT BUT THERE
IS RIGHT NOW THE IRONY
THOUGH IS SOME PATEL
THESE ACROSS CALIFORNIA
THERE'S CONFUSION IS
IS AN OFFICE SOMEBODY
DIED AN OFFICER
INVOLVED DOES THIS
TRICK THERE'S REALLY
LIKE A CHECKLIST IS
FIFTEEN OH SIX ELIGIBLE
SO YOU DON'T KNOW RIGHT
AWAY IF THE PERSON
IS ARMED OR UNARMED
SOMETIMES IT TAKES
SEVERAL HOURS SOMETHING
TO TAKE THE NEXT
THERE'S A DETERMINATION
SO -- BY HAVING ALL
THE TALENT HE'S WITH
A LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER INVOLVED IT
ACTUALLY BE EASIER
BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE WILL
BE IMMEDIATELY ENGAGED
IN THE CASE AS OPPOSED
TO HAVING TO WAIT
FOR THE TICKET FOR
THE DETERMINATION IF
IT'S FIFTEEN OH SIX
ELIGIBLE THANK YOU
THANK YOU ABOUT BONTA
I JUST WANNA THANK MR
MCCARTY FOR BRINGING
FOR THIS BILL ON BEHALF
OF MY COMMUNITY ONE
OF THE CITIES THAT I
REPRESENT AND -- MARIO
GONZALEZ WHO DIED
ON APRIL NINETEENTH
TWENTY TWENTY ONE
BECAUSE OF A POLICE
INVOLVED THE POLICE
INVOLVED AT -- HE DID
NOT HAVE THE ABILITY
OR RECOURSE NOR DID
HIS FAMILY TO BE ABLE
TO AVAIL THEMSELVES
OF THE AB FIFTEEN
OH SIX PROVISIONS
ALLEN'S QUITE FRANKLY
THERE'S ALSO AN ISSUE
OR CONCERN WITH THE
CAPACITY OF THE CITIES
TO REALLY BE ABLE
TO MAKE THAT KIND OF
INVESTIGATION THAT
AT BAT JUSTICE WOULD
ALLOW SO I REALLY
WANT THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING FOR THE
SPELL FOR BROADENING
IT OUT AND I DO THINK
THAT THERE CAPACITY
ISSUES TO CONSIDER
FROM THE PERSPECTIVE
OF CITIES THAT JUST
QUITE FRANKLY DON'T
HAVE THE RESOURCES TO
AND TO MAKE SURE THAT
JUSTICE IS SERVED SO
THANK YOU ANY OTHER
YOU MAY CLOSE AT
APPRECIATE THE
DISCUSSION AND -- THANK
YOU FOR CONSIDERATION
AS FOREVER IS THERE
A MOTION SECOND
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I KNOW PEOPLE ADMITTING
TO CRIMES MANY REST
TRUE CONFESSION TODAY
ITEM NUMBER TWO ONE
EIGHTY NINE FIFTY
EIGHT THANK MISTER
CHAIRMAN CONFESS I HAD
TO GO TO THE RESTROOM
ON THE SECOND FLOOR
BECAUSE THE FIRST
FLOOR RESTROOM --
WHAT WILL HELP THEM
I ABOUT A THREE STAR
HEY FIELD
TRIP THANK YOU
WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY THANKS RICHER I
PERSONALLY THINK THE
CHAIR THE COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR HELPING US TO
IMPROVE THIS BILL THANK
YOU FOR THE WITNESSES
OF WAITED FOR SOME
TIME TODAY PRECIADO
-- THIS BILL HIS IS A
SIMPLE A VERY NECESSARY
BILL THAT WOULD
STRENGTHEN THE RIGHTS
OF FAMILY MEMBERS TO
INCARCERATED PEOPLE
BY THAT WOULD HELP
SORRY IT FAMILY MEMBERS
AND INCARCERATED
PEOPLE BY RESTORING
A VISITING RIGHTS
AND ESTABLISHMENT AT
THREE DAY MINIMUM --
YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT
LAST YEAR THE GOVERNOR
DID INCLUDE -- IN
THERE THE ADDITIONAL
DOLLARS TO DO A THIRD
DAY OF VISITING --
THAT AND THE COMMITTEE
ENTERTAINED AND HELPED
US TO PASS A BILL THAT
THAT WANTED TO DO THIS
A SAME WORK INSTEAD
WE WERE ABLE TO PUT
SOME PORTION THAT THE
BUDGET BUT THIS YEAR
WE'RE COMING BACK --
BECAUSE WE WANT TO
FORMALLY CODIFY THAT
THERE'S THREE DAYS AND
AS WELL AS MAKING SURE
THAT -- VISITING RIGHTS
-- THE VISITING IS A
RIGHT -- TWO COKES WERE
INCARCERATED IN ALL
THE ALSO COMMUNITIES
IT WE ALL OF THE
REASONS WHY RIGHT
BECAUSE THIS IS VERY
IMPORTANT NOT ONLY FOR
THE MENTAL HEALTH AND
THE POOR BREATHABILITY
XIN PROCESS FOR THOSE
WHO INCARCERATED BUT
BECAUSE IT ALSO HELPS
AMLEE MEMBERS AND THOSE
WHO ARE VISITING AND
OFTENTIMES WE THINK
ABOUT THIS YOU THINK
ABOUT ONE PERSON WHO
IS INCARCERATED AND AND
WHILE I BELIEVE THAT
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT
I THINK IT'S ALSO
IMPORTANT YOUR STANDARD
THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE
OUTSIDE THEIR FAMILY
MEMBERS OR PEOPLE WHO
ARE VERY CONNECTED
WITH THIS ALSO HELPS A
LINK THAT PERSON A TO
SOME SORT OF DIGNITY
THAT THEY CAN VISIT
THEIR FATHER THEY
COULD VISIT A FAMILY
MEMBER THE HUSBAND
IS AN UNCLE -- THIS
WOULD ONLY A IMPACT
STATE INSTITUTIONS AND
THOSE WERE SET SERVING
FELONY CHARGES AT THE
COUNTY LEVEL BECAUSE
REALIGNMENTS AND SOME
FOLKS WERE OTHERWISE
WITHIN STATE -- TOLD
LOCAL ACCOUNTING SO
IT'S VERY LIMITED IN
SCOPE VERY NECESSARY IN
IT AND -- ALSO FUNDED
SO WE TOOK CARE OF THAT
LAST YEAR WHEN PEOPLE
SAID IT WASN'T FUN
-- HAVING SAID THAT I
WANNA NOW HANDED OVER
TO TWO OF OUR WITNESSES
LET THEM INTRODUCE
THEMSELVES -- IN THE
INTEREST OF TIME I
THINK IN THE FUTURE
THANK YOU IT THANK YOU
MR CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE
I'M SHOWING IN SHEER
FOUNDER OF FELONY
MURDER ELIMINATION
PROJECT IN PROUD
SPONSOR CO SPONSOR
OF ASSEMBLY BILL NINE
FIFTY EIGHT SIXTEEN
YEARS AGO MY ONLY CHILD
ANTHONY WAS SENTENCED
TO LIFE WITHOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE
UNDER THE FELONY MURDER
SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES
LAW HE WAS TWENTY YEARS
OLD AND NEVER BEEN AND
NEVER BEEN IN TROUBLE
I WAS FIFTY TWO HIS
FATHER SIXTY SEVEN AT
THE TIME WE'VE SPENT
EVERY WEEKEND OF THE
LAST SIXTEEN YEARS
VISITING OUR SON IN
PRISON WE'VE TRAVELED
THOUSANDS OF MILES AND
SPENT TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS TO KEEP OUR
FAMILY TOGETHER AND
ENCOURAGE THROUGH THE
DEVASTATION THAT IS
PRESENT OUR COMMITMENT
TO MAINTAINING A STRONG
FAMILY BOND HAS BEEN
MET BY CALLOUSNESS
AND DISREGARD BY CDCR
WE FOUND THAT OUR
PRECIOUS VISITS CAN
BE TAKEN AWAY FOR
NONSENSICAL AND PETTY
REASONS OR VISIT TO
BEEN TERMINATED FOR
INFRACTIONS SUCH AS
SAYING HELLO TO A
VENDING MACHINE VENDOR
AS THEY PASSED BY OUR
TABLE CONVERSATION
WELCOMED AT MY SON'S
PREVIOUS FACILITY WE
ARE VISITING DIDN'T
TERMINATED FRIEND
FRACTIONS SUCH AS MY
ACCEPTING A RIDE TO
THE VISITING LOBBY WHEN
OFFERED ONE BY PRISON
STAFF DURING A RAIN
STORM SEVEN YEARS AGO
DURING A VISIT WITH MY
SON HIS CELLMATE BOUGHT
AND WAS USING DRUGS IN
THEIR CELL NO MY SON
HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF
HIS CELLMATES ACTIONS
HE WAS CHARGED AND
DISCIPLINED FOR THAT
BEHAVIOR BECAUSE OF
THE UNWRITTEN CDC ARE
RULED THAT HOLDS BOTH
CELLMATES GUILTY FOR
ANYTHING IN THE CELL
THE DISCIPLINE HE
RECEIVED AND WE AS A
FAMILY RECEIVED FOR HIS
CELLMATES INFRACTION
WAS ONE YEAR WITH NO
VISIT FOLLOWED BY TWO
YEARS OF BEHIND GLASS
VISITS THAT'S THREE
YEARS TOTAL THE HORROR
OF THE SEPARATION
WOULD HAVE DECIMATED A
CHILD UNABLE TO HUG HER
FATHER FOR THREE YEARS
PRISON IS SUPPOSED
TO BE A PUNISHMENT
FOR CRIME NOT THE
DECIMATION OF FAMILIES
CDCR IT SHOULD NOT HAVE
THE RIGHT TO WITHHOLD
FAMILY VISITS UNLESS
OF COURSE A VISITING
INFRACTION OCCURRED
IN THE VISITING ROOM
I DID NOT GIVE UP MY
RIGHT TO MY SON WHEN
HE BECAME INCARCERATED
DISABLE RIGHT TO
VISIT MUST BE FIRMLY
REESTABLISHED FOR
THE SAKE OF FAMILIES
PLEASE VOTE YES AN
EIGHTY NINE FIFTY
EIGHT THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR YOUR TIME YES
ONE MISTER CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE MY NAME IS
JOHN VASQUEZ ON THE
POLICY MANAGER FOR
COURAGE AND PROTOCOLS
BONSER OF EIGHTY NINE
FIFTY EIGHT WHEN I
WAS SIXTEEN YEARS
OLD I WAS TRANSFERRED
TO ADULT COURT AND
SENTENCED TO THIRTY
ONE YEARS TO LIFE A
PRISON GUARD ONCE TOLD
ME HEY YOUNGSTER DO
YOURSELF A FAVOR AND
HANG YOURSELF YOU NEVER
GETTING OUT OF HERE
MANY TIMES I FELT
HOPELESS AND DEPRESSED
THE ONLY THING THAT
KEPT ME GOING OR
BUSINESS MY FAMILY
HUGGING MY LOVED ONES
MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE
AND IT MOTIVATED ME
TO WORK ON MYSELF I
RECEIVED BUSINESS FOUR
DAYS A WEEK AND TO
THE RIGHT TO VISIT WAS
REPEALED I'M VISITING
OPPORTUNITIES WERE CUT
IN HALF THIS CREATED
MANY HARDSHIPS FOR ME
AND MY FAMILY BECAUSE
YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO
STAY CONNECTED IN A
MEANINGFUL WAY THREE
PEOPLE ALSO LED TO MANY
UNNECESSARY BARRIERS
FOR EXAMPLE MY MOTHER
WAS ALREADY VISITING
ME HOW TO READ YOUR
APPLICATION -- AND
SHE FORGOT TO LIST NO
REST FROM ABOUT OVER
A DECADE PRIOR AND
BECAUSE OF THAT --
IT TOOK A WHOLE YEAR
SHE WAS DENIED HER
APPLICATION IF YOU ARE
GETTING ME INTO A WHOLE
YEAR OF HER WRITING
THE WARDEN TO GO TO SEE
ME AGAIN EIGHTY NINE
FIFTY EIGHT WELL LIMIT
THESE TYPES OF BARRIERS
AND KEEP FAMILIES
TOGETHER EVEN C.
C.
R.
ADMITS TO THE VALUE
OF THIS THE TATIAN
QUOTING CITIES YOUR
TWENTY TWENTY BUDGET
PROPOSAL TO THIS
LEGISLATURE AND I QUOTE
HIGH QUALITY BUILDING
PROGRAMS FOR INMATES
HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO
REDUCE PRISON VIOLENCE
TANG FAMILY BONDS BREAK
THE INTERGENERATIONAL
CYCLE OF INCARCERATION
AND SMOOTHER REENTRY
PROCESS THEREBY
REDUCING RECIDIVISM
RATES END OF QUOTE
I COULD HAVE SAID IT
BETTER MYSELF FOR THESE
REASONS I RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR AYE
VOTE THANK YOU THANK
YOU OTHER ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT
NAME AN ORGANIZATION
DANYCH OREGON ON BEHALF
OF INITIATE JUSTICE
TRANSFORMATIVE IN
PRISON WORKGROUP GRIP
TRAINING INSTITUTE
CALIFORNIANS FOR
SAFETY AND JUSTICE
ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION AND IN MY
PERSONAL CAPACITY
AS SOMEBODY DIRECTLY
IMPACTED BY THIS ISSUE
LESLIE CALDWELL HOUSTON
FOR THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDER SO
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT
COMICAL A FUEL CAL
ACTION IN SUPPORT
GLENN BACK A CELL
BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN
RIGHTS IN SUPPORT
EVEN A GONZALEZ WITH
LEGAL SERVICES FOR
PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN
THE COALITION FOR
FAMILY UNITY AND SOME
OF THE ORGANIZATIONS
WITH THE COALITION OR
MERRIMACK TRANSITION
HOMES PILLARS OF THE
COMMUNITY PLACE FOR
GRACE PRISON FROM THE
INSIDE OUT STARTING
OVER INK AND SISTER
WARRIORS FREEDOM
COALITION ON IN SUPPORT
LAWRENCE WITH LEGAL
SERVICES PRINCIPLE
CHILDREN AND ALSO A
NEW WAY OF LIFE ALL
OF US OR NONE ALLIANCE
OF BOYS A MEANS OF
COLOR ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION CALIFORNIA'S
FAMILY AGAINST
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
CALIFORNIANS IMPACTED
FAMILIES PROJECT
ALL THE SUPPORT
TATHIANA LEWIS
WILL LEGAL SERVICES
FOR PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN AS WELL AS
ALL OF US AND THEN
IN STRONG SUPPORT
NATASHA MINSKER SMART
JUSTICE CALIFORNIA AND
THE PROSECUTORS LINES
OF CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT
JIM WOOD BURKE
ON BEHALF OF THE
FRIENDS COMMITTEE
ON LEGISLATION
OF CALIFORNIA IN
STRONG SUPPORT
N.
ORTIZ WITH THE LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS
WITH CHILDREN ALL OF
A SUDDEN I SACRAMENTO
CHAPTER AND COMMUNITY
HEALERS AND STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU
LISTEN MORE ALL OF
US OR NONE IS STRONG
SUPPORT ALSO WITH
COMMUNITIES UNITED FOR
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE
COURAGE COMMUNITY
WORKS DROP L.
WALK EAST BAY FAMILY
DEFENDERS FAMILY
UNITED TO END WHILE
A WHOPPING FELONY
MURDER ELIMINATION
PROJECT HOMIES
UNIDOS AND OF COURSE
LEGAL SERVICES FOR
PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN
OPPOSITION
TWO SIX BUT
MISTER MEMBERS
COURCELLES ALONE WE
HAVE THE CALIFORNIA
STATE SHERIFFS
ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION TO THE
BILL -- I DON'T THINK
ANYBODY DISPUTES THE
BENEFITS OF VISITATION
SHERIFF'S CERTAINLY
UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS
OF VISITATION -- FOR
NOT ONLY INCARCERATED
PERSONS BUT THOSE WHO
VISIT THEM BUT THIS
BILL GOES TOO FAR IN
MANDATING VISITATION
THE EXPENSE OF SEVERAL
OTHER CONSIDERATIONS
SO IT'S NOT THAT WE
DON'T WANT THERE TO
BE VISITS I DON'T
THINK THERE SHOULDN'T
BE VISITS -- THERE'S
MORE THAN THAT TO THIS
BILL BY LIMITING THE
ABILITY TO SUSPEND
VISITATION ISSUES
RELATED TO A COMPELLING
SECURITY INTEREST --
JAIL AUTHORITIES WOULD
BE PROHIBITED FROM
CONDITIONING VISITATION
TERMS VISITATION ON
BEHAVIOR AND DISCIPLINE
CONSIDERATIONS -- THIS
WOULD ALSO PRECLUDE
THE SUSPENSION OF
VISITATION OF THE TYPE
THAT WAS ADOPTED BY
PRISONS AND MOST JAILS
BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC
-- IT NECESSITATED
LIMITING ACCESS TO
AN MOVEMENT WITHIN
CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES
FOR MEDICAL SAFETY
OF INMATES AND STAFF
-- FUTURE PANDEMICS
NATURAL DISASTERS EVEN
LOGISTICAL REALITIES
LIKE A BROKEN HVAC
SYSTEM VISITATION ROOM
IS TOO HOT OR TOO COLD
TO GO INTO THAT'S NOT
A REASON TO SUSPEND
VISITATION EVEN FOR
A DAY UNDER THIS BILL
JUST SO RIGOROUS IN
HOWARD READS AND THE
CHALLENGES THAT BY
CODIFYING VISITATION
IS A RIGHT WE'RE
GONNA GET SUED EVERY
SINGLE TIME THE VISITS
TONIGHT IT IS JUST THE
REALITY OF IT I'M BEING
A LITTLE HYPERBOLIC
THERE BUT WE WILL BE
SUED FOR SUSPENDED OR
DISALLOWED VISITATION
IF IT DOESN'T FALL INTO
THIS BILL BECAUSE THIS
BILL SAYS IT'S A RIGHT
TO RECEIVE VISITATION
IT WILL INVITE COSTLY
LITIGATION THIS CONCERN
WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN
THE GOVERNOR'S VETO
MESSAGE -- AND WE ARE
SURE WHAT'S DIFFERENT
-- SO FOR THOSE REASONS
WERE RESPECTFULLY
POST THANK YOU
GOOD AFTERNOON MR
CHAIRMAN COMMITTEE
MEMBERS MATT EASILY
REPRESENT A CALIFORNIA
CORRECTIONAL PEACE
OFFICERS ASSOCIATION
FIRST OF ALL I'D LIKE
TO SAY THAT CCPOA
DEFINITELY RECOGNIZES
THE IMPORTANCE OF
VISITATION AND THE
DEVELOPMENT OF FAMILY
BONDS AND ALSO WANT TO
CLARIFY TO THAT WE ARE
NOT THE DEPARTMENT SO
WITH THAT SAID WE DON'T
DISAGREE WITH MANY OF
THE ARGUMENTS PUT FORTH
BY THE SUPPORT -- IN
MANY OF THE EXAMPLES
THEY OFFERED WE'RE
CERTAINLY SYMPATHETIC
AND I THINK WE WOULD
BE COMPLETELY OKAY IF
NOT EVEN SUPPORTIVE
OF ADDRESSING SOME
OF THOSE REASONS FOR
VISITATION RESTRICTIONS
THERE'S CERTAINLY
A LOT OF ROOM THERE
NOBODY SHOULD BE DENIED
VISITATION BECAUSE THEY
SAID HELLO TO A VENDOR
-- AND WE'D BE HAPPY
TO DISSIPATE IN FIXING
SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS
WITH THAT SAID THIS
BILL GOES FAR BEYOND
THAT AND WAY BEYOND THE
EXAMPLES GIVEN IN THAT
SUPPORT TESTIMONY THIS
THIS BILL SAYS THAT
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES
CAN USE SOMEONE'S
CRIMINAL HISTORY TEST
RESTRICT THAT VISIT
AND THAT COULD BE
AN ONGOING CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY OF SOMEONE IN
THE SAME GAME AS THE
PERSON THEY'RE VISITING
USING THAT VISIT AS AN
EASY ACCESS INTO THE
PRISON TO CONDUCT GANG
BUSINESS AND EXCHANGE
EASILY EXCHANGE
MESSAGES BACK AND
FORTH -- IT'S AN EASY
AVENUE TO INTRODUCE
CONTRABAND IN PRISONS
WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S
DIRECTLY HANDLED IN THE
VISITATION ROOM GETTING
THEM THE GUARANTEED
ACCESS INSIDE IS A
WAY TO DROP CONTRABAND
IN ORDER FOR OTHER
PARTICIPANTS IN THIS
SMUGGLING OPERATION
TO ALLOW THINGS TO
GET INSIDE SO THE
THE EXPANSIVENESS
OF THIS BILL IS WHAT
IS MOST PROBLEMATIC
TO US -- BUT AGAIN I
JUST WANT TO CLARIFY
THAT WE DON'T HAVE
ANY PARTICULAR ISSUES
WITH ADDRESSING A
LOT OF THE EXAMPLES
BROUGHT FORTH BY THAT
REALLY TRAGIC EXAMPLES
HONESTLY OF THAT OUR
SUPPORT WITNESSES
WENT THROUGH THANK YOU
FOR READING THE OTHER
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION
GOOD AFTERNOON MR
MEMBERS HOW RANGE FROM
THE RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S
ASSOCIATION AND THE
SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION
OF MONTEREY COUNTY
AND PLASTER COUNTY
IN OPPOSITION THANK
YOU THANK YOU MAY
NOT BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR
THE COMMON QUESTIONS
BUT THE YOUR FIRST I AM
HAPPY TO BE A JOINED UP
THERE ON THIS BILL AND
I APPRECIATE THAT MR
SANTIAGO FOR BRINGING
IT FORWARD I WANTED TO
CLARIFY THAT ON PAGE
FOUR OF THE ANALYSIS
YOU'LL SEE THAT -- IT
IS ITEM NUMBER TWENTY
ONE THIS PERMITS IN
PERSON VISITATION IF
IMPOSSIBLE DUE TO A
PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY
THE IN PERSON VISITING
HOURS TO BE REPLACED
BY AN EQUAL NUMBER OF
VIDEO CALLING HOURS
IN ADDITION TO THE
REGULAR VIDEO CALLING
ARE SO I DON'T THINK
THAT THE SCENARIO THAT
YOU PRESENTED -- HI
IN TERMS OF PUBLIC
HEALTH EMERGENCY ISN'T
ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATED
IN THIS LEGISLATION
-- I ALSO JUST WANTED
JUST REITERATE AGAIN
WE HAVEN'T THE CDC
ARE ACTUALLY TELL US
VERY DIRECTLY IN OUR
BUDGET SUB MEETING THAT
REHABILITATION INCLUDES
FAMILY CONNECTION AND
FAMILY VISITATION SO
WHEN WE ARE LIMITING AN
INDIVIDUAL'S FREEDOM OF
MOVEMENT INCLUDING THE
PERSON WHO IS VISITING
US WE ARE TOUCHING
ON INFRINGING ON THAT
PERSON'S CIVIL RIGHTS
CELL I HAVE NO QUALMS
ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT
THIS IS A CIVIL RIGHT
THAT IS PROTECTED A
BOTH FOR THE PERSON
WHO'S INSIDE THE PRISON
AND -- FOR THOSE WHO
ARE TRYING TO VISIT
AND -- AND IT JUST DOES
WHAT WE SHOULD DO WHICH
IS OFFERS BASIC HUMAN
DIGNITY OF THE ABILITY
TO STAY CONNECTED WITH
FAMILY MEMBERS SO WITH
THAT I'M THANKFUL FOR
THE BILL AND AND FOR
YOUR BRING THE SPORT
THANKS THE BY YEAH NO
I'M I'M ONE OF THOSE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO
IS ALSO A CO AUTHOR AND
ALSO HAS A LOVE ONE WHO
THEY VISIT IN PERSON --
CHRISTMAS EVE ACTUALLY
-- IT WAS INCREDIBLE
IT'S BEEN YOU KNOW
MANY TIMES -- ON MANY
OCCASIONS WHERE IT'S
BEEN HEALING FOR ME
IT'S BEEN HEALING FOR
THEM FOR ME TO BE THERE
-- TO MAKE SPECIAL DAY
SPECIAL EVEN INSIDE
IT'S BEEN POWERFUL
TO THE REHABILITATION
PROCESS ONE OF THE
CONCERNS THAT WILL
ONE AYE AYE TAKE JUST
LIKE GREAT OFFENSE
WITH THE IDEA THAT
WE WOULD CRIMINALIZE
SOMEONE'S ENTIRE FAMILY
AND INTIMATE PARTNERS
TO SUGGEST THAT THEY
WILL BRING CONTRABAND
THEY WOULD DO ALL OF
THOSE THINGS BUT EVEN
IF YOU ARE SUGGESTING
THAT JUST BY BEING
RELATED TO SOMEBODY
COMING TO VISIT IN THAT
YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO
BRING IN CONTRABAND IT
LITERALLY SAYS PROVIDES
THAT A VISITOR A CAR
SO THE PERSON MAY HAVE
THEIR VISITS TO NOT
A RESTRICTED BASED
ONLY ON THE FOLLOWING
CONDUCT DURING A VISIT
CONTACT ONE BRINGING
CONTRABAND INTO THE
VISITING AREA THAT
IS IN THE BILL IT'S A
THOUGHTFUL BILL IT'S
A HUMANITY BILL -- AND
HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT
TODAY THANK YOU IN THE
OTHER OKAY YOU MAKE
CLOSE THANK YOU DON'T
THINK MY COLLEAGUES
FOR COMMENTS -- I WON'T
REPEAT THOSE COMMENTS
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT
PART OF WHAT I WAS
GONNA ANSWER BUT MAYBE
I'LL -- I WANNA TALK
ABOUT THE LITIGATION
BECAUSE I BECAUSE I
IT WE WE FELT THAT
THE LANGUAGE IS STRONG
AND I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE
FOLKS GET IN TELL ME
WHAT IS THE STRONGER
LANGUAGE PREVENT
LITIGATION BECAUSE
THERE'S NOT A BILL
THAT WANTS TO ENCOURAGE
LITIGATION BUT IS
THERE SOMETHING THERE
IF THERE'S A NATURAL
DISASTER DOES IT FOR
THOSE WHO ARE FOLLOWING
THIS THE THEORY IS
THAT IF WE SAY THAT
IT'S A CIVIL RIGHT THEN
IF WE TRY TO TAKE THE
CIVIL RIGHT AWAY TO
COULD BE LITIGATION BUT
CERTAINLY THERE MAY BE
A PUBLIC HEALTH CARE
CRISIS I DON'T STATE
IN THE BILL BUT WHAT
IS THE LANGUAGE THAT
HOLD HARMLESS THEN WHEN
THERE IS A BONAFIDE
EMERGENCY IF THERE'S
AN EARTHQUAKE IN AND
THE PLACE BREAKS DOWN
YOU CAN'T HAVE THE
DISNEY WHAT IS THAT
LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T
IF THERE'S A HEALTHCARE
CRISIS THAT WE HOPE
NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN
IF THERE'S A FLOOD
I I RECOGNIZE AND I
THINK THE THE SPONSORS
AND COALITION WOULD
RECOGNIZE THAT THERE
ARE BONAFIDE PLACES
WHERE THEY MAY BE A
PHYSICAL -- OBSTACLE
TO VISITING BUT I THINK
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO
STAND IF YOU MAKE IT
A CIVIL RIGHT THEN YOU
JUST CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY
ANYTIME ANYBODY WANTS
NOW THERE IT IS IT'S
BEEN BROUGHT UP ALSO
WELL THE LAST COUPLE
YEARS THAT THERE'S
NO OTHER SORT OF META
PARTICIPANT BUT CLEARLY
THERE IS I'M I'M GONNA
SAY WHAT MY COLLEAGUE
SAID A SECOND AGO OR
MAYBE JUST TO REPEAT
THAT VISION RIGHTS CAN
BE REMOVED IF THERE
IS SOMETHING THAT HAS
HAPPENED DURING THAT
VISITING PERIOD WHERE
WHERE THIS INDIVIDUAL
CANNOT BE TRUSTED FOR
LACK OF BETTER WORDS
DURING DISNEY SO IF
I AM VISITING YOU OR
YOU VISITING ME AND
SOMETHING HAPPENS
WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR
TIME AND SPACE WE'RE
NOT ARGUING THAT OKAY
YOU MAY HAVE YOU MAY
HAVE DONE SOMETHING
DURING THIS TIME
AND THEREFORE CAN'T
THIS IS A VISITATION
RIGHTS OR VISIT OKAY
THAT'S DIFFERENT BUT
BUT YOU STILL HAVE A
DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS
THAT COULD BE TAKEN ON
A LIST OF YOUR RESUME
-- YOU CAN GET GOOD
TIME TAKE IT OUT -- YOU
CAN HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE
SEGREGATION NOW I'M
NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH
ANY OF THESE THINGS
BUT BUT THEY ARE THERE
IN THE BOOKS THAT ARE
STILL COULD BE COULD
BE USERS AND I'LL OF
CHORLEY PACKAGES OTHER
THERE'S RIGHT THERE'S
A NUMBER OF OTHER SORT
OF DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS
THAT CAN BE TAKING --
IF A PERSON IS IS IS
DOING SOMETHING NOT
SUPPOSED TO BE DOING
OUTSIDE OF USING RIGHT
AND THE OTHER THING
TOO IS IT LET LET LET'S
SAY THAT WE AGREE THAT
I'M I DON'T AGREE BUT
LET'S JUST SAY THAT
WE BELIEVE THAT MOST
PEOPLE WHO ARE VISITING
ARE HANDING SOMETHING
OVER CONTRABAND LET'S
JUST SAY FOR A SECOND
I'M I DON'T AGREE WITH
IT BUT LET'S SAY WITH
THERE ARE STILL IT WE
STILL DON'T STATE ABOUT
HOW TO LIMIT THAT SORT
OF VISITATION SO IF
THERE IS SOMEBODY WHO
IS PRONE TO DOING THAT
YOU COULD STILL DO IT
THROUGH ITS THROUGH
GLASS YOU COULD DO WITH
THEIR NUMBER DIFFERENT
WAYS WE'RE NOT TOUCHING
THOSE PIECES OF IT
THERE'S STILL SOME
SORT OF DISCRETIONARY
ACTION TAKEN THAT TAKEN
TO PREVENT THOSE KIND
OF THINGS -- IF THEY
DO HAPPEN ALL WE'RE
SAYING IS IF YOU MAKE
A CIVIL RIGHT -- YOU
START OFF WITH A VERY
YOU START OFF WITH A
VERY UNDERSTOOD WITH
THE UNDERSTANDING THAT
SOMEBODY HAS HAS THE
ABILITY TO DO THIS
HAS THE RIGHT AND IT
CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY
JUST UNILATERALLY
AND I THINK IT'S IT'S
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT
-- I JUST CAN'T STATE
IT ENOUGH AND YOU HAVE
TO ACTUALLY WE WANT
TO CODIFY THIS THREE
DAYS AND HERE'S WHY
BECAUSE A LOT OF IN
THE MONEY THERE TOO
BUT WE NEED TO CODIFY
BECAUSE IF IT'S THREE
DAYS THAT MEANS THAT
THAT ONE OF THOSE DAYS
IS GONNA HAVE TO LAND
ON THE WEEKEND AND THIS
IS THE THIS IS A GAME
CHANGER FOR PEOPLE WHO
ARE GOING TO VISIT IF
YOU MORE WORK MANY TO
FRIDAY CURRENTLY THE
ONLY DAYS ARE MONDAY
THROUGH FRIDAY TO VISIT
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A
HARD TIME OF VISITING
A LOVED ONE OR GETTING
VISITS AND IF YOU DO
IT THREE DAYS WHICH THE
MONEY'S ALREADY THERE
TO SACRIFICE WE WANNA
GO TO FLY ONE OF THOSE
DAYS WILL HAPPEN TO
BE ON THE WEEKEND SO
PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO
MISS A DAY OF WORK TO
GO VISIT A LOVED ONE
-- SO THERE'S I CAN
SPEAK ABOUT THIS FOR AN
FOR FIRST OF MICHIGAN
HERE TIME TO SCHEDULE
PASSIONATELY ABOUT IT
BUT WHEN THIS BILL WAS
INTRODUCED TO US -- BY
A FORMER MEMBER OF THIS
HOUSE IS NOW THE G.
-- WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT
WE REALIZE THAT THERE'S
SOME SERIOUS -- MERITS
TO HAVING SOMEBODY
-- BE VISITED AND
HAVING THE ABILITY TO
VISIT -- AND THESE ARE
JUST MY STEPS I WOULD
ARGUE THERE'S ALREADY
DISCIPLINARY ACTION
TO BE TAKEN OUTSIDE
OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE
VISITATION AND IF I
GO ON FOREVER I WILL
REPEAT MYSELF MISTER
CHAIR I RESPECTFULLY
ASK RIVAL THANK YOU
JEFF RECOMMENDED I
BILLS IS THERE A MOTION
THE SECOND SECOND
AN EIGHTY NINE
FIFTY EIGHT BY THE
MEMBER SANTIAGO THE
MOTION IS TO PASS
THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE JONES
SAWYER GEN SIR I
ALANIZ ALANIZ I BONTA
I BONTA HI BRIAN
BRIAN I LACKEY LACKEY
NOT VOTING ORTEGA
ORTEGA I SANTIAGO
ALL RIGHT SAN DIEGO
I THE BURKE SUPPORT
I THE MEASURE PATH
SECOND
WE'RE NOT GONNA
GO TO ITEM TWENTY
THREE EIGHTY NINE
TWELVE SHARE YOU HAVE
I MEAN YOU'RE YOU
KNOW THANK YOU MISTER
MEMBERS I WOULD LIKE
TO THANK FIRST START
BY THINKING THAT MY
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
THEIR DILIGENT WORK AND
I WILL BE ACCEPTING OF
MY COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS
MEMBERS AB BEHIND
ONE TO THE STRATEGIC
ANTI VIOLENCE FUNDING
EFFORTS ACT OR SAFE
ACT OF THE DEPARTMENT
OF THE DEPARTMENT
OF CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION AFTER
CLOSURE AND THE
ACTIVATION OF TWO
PRISONS WHICH THE L.
A.
O.
ESTIMATES THE TOTAL
TWO HUNDRED THIRTY
FIVE POINT THREE
MILLION AND ANNUAL
SAVINGS TO REDUCTION
THE PRISON POPULATION
ARE NOT BY ACCIDENT
AND BUT ARE INSTEAD
THE DIRECT RESULT OF
SENSIBLE LEGISLATION
BUDGET ITEMS ACHIEVED
TO IMPROVE PUBLIC
SAFETY ADVANCE JUSTICE
AND EQUITY RATHER
THAN RETURNING TO
THE GENERAL FUND IS
IMPAIRED THAT THE
SAVINGS ARE KEPT WITHIN
THE LEGISLATURE CRIME
PREVENTION BUDGET
AND REINVESTED INTO
EFFECTIVE STRATEGIC
PROVEN STRATEGIES TO
FURTHER REDUCE CRIME
ELEVEN AND VIOLENCE
AS SUCH THE STATE
BACK RECALLS FOR RE
ALLOCATED TO IN THE
THIRTY FIVE MILLION IN
ANNUAL SAVINGS TO FIVE
PROGRAMS FIFTY MILLION
EVELYN WILL GO TO THE
YOUTH REINVESTMENT
GRANT PROGRAM THIRTY
FIVE MILLION ANNUAL
WILL GO TO PROGRAMS
THAT REDUCE GANG
VIOLENCE AND GANG
INVOLVEMENT ARE MODELED
AFTER THE CEASEFIRE
IN OAKLAND FIFTY
MILLION ANNUAL WILL
PROVIDE OPERATIONAL
GRANTS TO SCHOOL
BASED HEALTH CENTERS
PROVIDE PHYSICAL AND
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES
TO CHILDREN FIFTY
MILLION ANNUALLY WOULD
EXPAND THE COGNITIVE
BEHAVIORAL INTERVENTION
FOR TRAUMA IN SCHOOLS
TO THE COUNTIES WITH
THE HIGHEST VIOLENT
CRIME RATE AND THEN
FINALLY FIFTY ME
ANNUALLY WOULD CREATE
NEW PARKS AND FUN
RECREATIONAL HEALTH
BASED OPPORTUNITIES
DURING PEAK TIMES OF
VIOLENCE THE SAFE ACT
AS A COMPREHENSIVE
MEASURE THAT WILL FUND
EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES
TO PREVENT VIOLENCE
FROM OCCURRING IN THE
FIRST PLACE DIVERT
YOUTH AND PEOPLE FROM
ENTERING THE SYSTEM
OF OUR PEOPLE FROM RE
REFER SEDATING WITH ME
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL AS DARIA OR
RIDE LARGE LARA'S OUT
PRETTY CLOSE SENIOR
POLICY ATTORNEY USED
JUSTICE INITIATIVE AT
THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR
YOUTH LAW AND LESLIE
CALDWELL HOUSTON BUT
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION
RESPECTFULLY ASK RIVAL
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN
AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE MY NAME
IS DARIA LORRIES A
DAY AND I'M A SENIOR
POLICY ATTORNEY AT THE
NATIONAL CENTER FOR
YOUTH LAW ON ARE YOU
JUST TO SEE THANK YOU
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF
YOU THREE INVESTMENT
GRANT PROGRAM IN RECENT
YEARS THE LEGISLATURE
HAS DEMONSTRATED ITS
UNDERSTANDING THAT A
PUBLIC HEALTH APPROACH
WHICH PROVIDES ACCESS
TO SERVICES OUTSIDE OF
THE JUVENILE JUSTICE
SYSTEM IS THE MOST
APPROPRIATE AND COST
EFFECTIVE WAY TO
IMPROVE YOUTH OUTCOMES
AND PUBLIC SAFETY
AS SEEN THROUGH THE
LEGISLATURE SUPPORT
OF THE TWENTY EIGHTEEN
AND TWENTY NINETEEN
YOU THREE INVESTMENT
GRANT AND TRIBAL
YOUTH DIVERSION GRANT
PROGRAMS WHICH HAVE
YIELDED AMAZING RESULTS
AT THIS TIME WHEN LOW
INCOME YOUTH OF COLOR
HAVE BEEN TOWARD AND
CONTINUED TO EXPERIENCE
UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS
OF MENTAL HEALTH
DISTRESS DUE TO THE
MANY CHALLENGES CAUSED
BY THE COBIT NINETEEN
PANDEMIC COMMUNITY
BASED YOUTH HEALTH AND
DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS
ARE NEEDED MORE THAN
EVER THE LEGISLATURE'S
PREVIOUS INVESTMENT IN
THE YOUTH REINVESTMENT
GRANT PROGRAMS HAVE
POSITIVELY IMPACTED
THE LIVES OF OVER
ELEVEN THOUSAND FIVE
HUNDRED YOUTH THE BSE
SEE DATA FOR THE TWENTY
EIGHTEEN COR WHO CO
COURT SHOWS THAT OVER
SEVENTY PERCENT OF
THE YOUTH SERVICE ARE
BLACK LATINO OR NATIVE
USE OF THOSE YOUTH WHO
WERE EVALUATED OVER
HALF WERE ASSESSED AS
MODERATE TO HIGH RISK
THESE ARE POPULATIONS
OF YOUTH THAT HAVE
HISTORICALLY BEEN
FUNNELED INTO THE
JUVENILE JUSTICE
SYSTEM INSTEAD USE
PARTICIPATED IN
COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAMS
INCLUDING EDUCATION
SUPPORT MENTAL HEALTH
SUBSTANCE ABUSE
TREATMENT MENTORING AND
PRO SOCIAL ACTIVITIES
IN THEIR COMMUNITIES OF
THE YOUTH THAT EXITED
THE DIVERSION PROGRAMS
SEVENTY PERCENT
WERE EVALUATED AS
SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETING
THEIR PROGRAMS
SIMILARLY WHEN LOOKING
AT RECIDIVISM OVER TWO
THIRDS OF THE YOUTH
WHO COMPLETED THEIR
PROGRAMS HAD NO FURTHER
CONTACT WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT THROUGHOUT
THE GRANT REPORTING
PERIOD WHICH IS A THREE
YEAR PERIOD THIS IS
THE INVERSE OF WHAT
WE SEE FOR JUVENILE
JUSTICE SYSTEM OUTCOMES
IN MANY COUNTIES
ACROSS THE STATE THIS
WORKS OVER HALF OF
THE USE OF EDGE OF
THE DIVERSION PROGRAMS
ARE STILL ENROLLED IN
PROGRAMMING TODAY THEY
HAVE FOUND A SENSE OF
COMMUNITY BELONGING
AND STABLE SUPPORT A
FIFTY MILLION DOLLAR
ANNUAL ALLOCATION TO
YOU THREE INVESTMENT
GRANT TO SUPPORT
PROGRAMS AND SERVICES
THROUGH COMMUNITY
BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND
TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS AS
ALTERNATIVES TO SYSTEM
INVOLVEMENT WOULD HELP
TO CONTINUE TO REVERSE
THE HARMFUL AND COSTLY
TREND RELYING ON THE
JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM
TO MEET USE HEALTH
AND DEVELOPMENT MEETS
AS SUCH WE BELIEVE
THE STATE INVESTMENT
IN COMMUNITY BASED
DIVERSION PROGRAMS
IS BOTH SOCIALLY AND
FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE
I URGE YOUR AYE
VOTE THANK YOU GOOD
AFTERNOON MANY MEMBERS
AND LESLIE CALDWELL
HOUSTON AND I'M PROUD
TO PROVIDE SUPPORT
TESTIMONY FOR AB ONE
TWELVE AND ONE HALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION I'M GOING
TO GET INTO A LITTLE
BIT OF HISTORY RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP
IN MIND THAT IN MIND
-- THANK YOU IN WORKING
IN INDIGENT DEFENSE
I HAVE SEEN THE HARD
SWINGS FROM EXTREMELY
HARSH PUNISHMENTS TO
AN ERA WHERE WE CLEARLY
SEE THE WRONGS OF
THE WAR ON DRUGS AND
THE RUSH TO SEND OUR
CITIZENS TO PRISON FOR
DECADES AT A TIME AT
THE BEGINNING OF THE
THREE STRIKES ERA I
WATCHED MY YOUNG CLIENT
TWENTY TWO YEARS OLD
SENTENCED TO TWENTY
SEVEN YEARS TO LIFE
IN PRISON FOR STEALING
EIGHT DOLLARS AND SIXTY
ONE CENTS IN CHANGE HE
WAS RECENTLY PROVIDED
A LAWYER TO A SYSTEM IN
SECURING A RESENTENCING
DUE TO THE LAW CHANGES
AND THAT IS THANKS TO A
THREE YEAR GRANT GIVEN
TO PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ACROSS THE STATE NOW
UNFORTUNATELY IN DOUBT
THAT WAS JUST THE START
OF A VERY SAD AND DARK
TIME IN MY CAREER AND
OUR COMMUNITIES YEARS
BEFORE THREE STRIKES I
WAS WATCHING MY CLIENTS
COMING INTO THE SYSTEM
MORE AND MORE MENTALLY
AND PHYSICALLY ILL AND
YET PRISON SENTENCES
BECAME LONGER AND
LONGER AND THERE WERE
NO HEALTH SERVICES
AVAILABLE THE MOVES TO
DRACONIAN PUNISHMENT
ARE KNOWN TO A FAILED
US ALL AND PARTICULARLY
BRECK BLACK AND BROWN
PEOPLE THROUGH MASS
INCARCERATION NOW
THANKS TO THE MANY
NEW LAWS REFORMING
CRIMINAL JUSTICE WE
HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY
REDUCED THE POPULATION
IN OUR STATE PRISONS
AND WE'RE BEGINNING TO
CLOSE PRESENCE THESE
CLOSURES ARE SAVING
MILLIONS HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
AND THESE DOLLARS MUST
BE REJECT RE DIRECTED
INTO THE LEGISLATURE
IS CRIME PREVENTION
BUDGET AND REINVESTED
INTO THE STRATEGIES WE
NOTE TO REDUCE CRIME
IN VIOLENCE AB NINE
TWELVE RECOGNIZES THE
NEED FOR A NEW VISION
OF YOUTH JUSTICE CRIME
PREVENTION THAT MUST
FOCUS OUR PRECIOUS
RESOURCES ON MENTAL
HEALTH EDUCATION AND
PHYSICAL NEEDS OF
OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND
THEIR FAMILIES AS A
PRIMARY SCHOOL FORCE IN
ENSURING HEALTHY YOUTH
HEALTHY COMMUNITIES AND
PUBLIC SAFETY A.
B.
NINE TWELVE WISELY
PLACES ADMINISTRATION
OF THE YOUTH JOBS
JUSTICE REINVESTMENT
GRANT UNDER AN OFFICE
OF YOUTH AND COMMUNITY
RESTORATION AWAY SEE
ARE HOUSED IN THE
CALIFORNIA HEALTH
AND HUMAN SERVICES
AGENCY WHICH IS WHERE
IT SHOULD BE THE
MISSION OF THE O.
C.
Y.
R.
WOULD BE TO PROMOTE
SORRY TO PROMOTING
YOUTH CONTINUUM OF
SERVICES THAT ARE
TRAUMA RESPONSIVE AND
CULTURALLY INFORMED
USING PUBLIC HEALTH
APPROACHES THAT
SUPPORT POSITIVE YOUTH
DEVELOPMENT BUILD THE
CAPACITY OF COMMUNITY
BASED APPROACHES AND
REDUCE THE JUSTICE
INVOLVEMENT OF YOU AB
NINE TWELVE PROVIDES
ADDITIONAL GRANTS FOR
TARGETED PREVENTION AND
INTERVENTION PROGRAMS
SUCH PROGRAMS ARE WHAT
JUSTICE OUT BECAUSE
RESEARCHERS FAMILIES
AND OUR COMMUNITIES
ARE DEFINITELY NEED
IT IS ONE STEP TOWARD
WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS
TRULY NEED AND WAIT
THERE FOR RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR YES VOTE
THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE
IN SUPPORT NEWMAN
ORGANIZATION PLEASE
DANNECKER DARNELL ON
BEHALF OF INITIATE JUST
AS TRANSFORMATIVE IN
PRISON WORK GROUP AND
CALIFORNIANS FOR SAFETY
AND JUSTICE GOING BACK
A CELL BAKER CENTER FOR
HUMAN RIGHTS IN SUPPORT
NATASHA MINSKER SMART
DRESSES CALIFORNIA AND
PROSECUTORS LINES OF
CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT
JIM WOOD BURKE
ON BEHALF OF THE
FRIENDS COMMITTEE
ON LEGISLATION TO
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT
ROBERT HARRIS ON
BEHALF OF ST JOHN'S
COMMUNITY HEALTH AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU
ANYONE IN OPPOSITION
GOING ONCE OKAY
ARTICULATING ANY
COMMENTS QUESTIONS
SWANTON THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR BRINGING FOR
THIS BILL I THINK THIS
IS ON THE ON THAT LIST
THAT WE'RE SPECIALIST
THAT WE KNOW IS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT --
AND WHAT I APPRECIATE
YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING
AND RECOGNIZING THE
WORK OF OAKLAND --
CHEESE CHIEF SUSPEND
THIS IN PARTICULAR AS
ONE OF THE EXAMPLES
OF WHAT YOU'D BE ABLE
TO DO WHAT WE'D BE
ABLE TO DO WITH THIS
PUBLIC HEALTH APPROACH
TO ENSURING OUR YOUTH
GET THE SUPPORT THAT
THEY NEED THANK YOU YOU
OKAY I'D LIKE TO
CONCLUDE WITH --
AS YOU KNOW OUR OUR
DISCUSSIONS AND TALKS
THAT WE HAVE HAD ME
BEING A PRIOR SCHOOL
RESOURCE OFFICER
BELIEVING IN YOUTH
PROGRAMS AND GETTING TO
THEM YOUNGER -- THERE
BACK IN THE DAY WHEN
WE USED TO HAVE THAT
AS WELL I THOUGHT THAT
WAS A GREAT PROGRAM
TO WHERE WE GOT TO THE
YOU THINK GOT TO MENTOR
THEM AND TEACH THEM
THE VALUES I ALSO I GOT
INTO COACHING IN BOY
SCOUTS AS WELL AND SO
I'M VERY STRONG ABOUT
THIS BILL ESPECIALLY
GETTING TO THE YOUTH
AND IF YOU WOULDN'T
MIND AT ALL SELECT CO
AUTHORED AS WELL IN
RESEARCHERS ASKING FOR
HI I WOULD BE HONORED
TO HAVE YOU AS A CO
AUTHOR THANK YOU YOU
MAY CLOSE UP THIS IS
FOR ME THIS IS THE
CULMINATION OF TEN
YEARS A REDUCING THE
PLAY PRISON POPULATION
AND ACTUALLY THE
CULMINATION OF PROVING
THAT THE INVEST ON THE
FRONT IT WOULD HAVE
EVEN MORE SAVINGS AND
REDUCE CRIME EVEN MORE
SELF SIDE THIS IS FOR
ME THIS IS THE LEGACY
PIECE OF ALL THOSE TEN
YEARS OF WORK ON THIS
THIS IS WHAT IT'S THIS
IS WHY WE CAME HERE
IS WHY I CAME HERE
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL
ABOUT SO THANK YOU
WE HAVE A SECOND WE
DID ALREADY BONTA THANK
YOU THE GIRL PLEASE
AN EIGHTY NINE TWELVE
BY THE MEMBER JONES
SAWYER THE MOTION IS
TO PASS AS AMENDED TO
THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE
JONES SAWYER GENSER
HI ALANIZ OUR UNEASE
HI BONTA BONTA HI
BRIAN BRIAN I LACKEY
LAKE AT LACKEY NOT
VOTING ORTEGA ORTEGA
I SANTIAGO SAN DIEGO
I ZIPPER ZIPPER ALLY
GRADUATION THANK YOU
OKAY C.
MOBILE
LET'S LOOK NEXT TO
ADD ONS VOTE CHANGES
AND LIFTING OF CALLS
FOR ALL MEASURES
TAKEN UP TODAY
EXCUSE ME ON THE
CAN SECOND ENTER
SANTIAGO SAN DIEGO I
I REMEMBER WHEN AB
THREE TWENTY NINE HAS
BEEN DISPENSED WITH I
DON'T NUMBER TWO EIGHTY
FOUR FIFTY FIVE WAS
PULLED BY THE AUTHOR
ITEM NUMBER THREE
EIGHTY FIVE TWENTY
THREE WAS PULLED BY
THE AUTHOR ITEM NUMBER
FOUR EIGHTY SIX SIX
SEVEN WAS PULLED BY THE
AUTHOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE
AB SIX NINE FIVE WAS
PULLED BY COMMITTEE I
DON'T EVER SIX EIGHTY
SIX NINETY SEVEN
WITH A CONSENT ITEM
NUMBER SEVEN EIGHTY
SEVEN OH ONE THIS
MEASURE WAS ON CALL
ALANIZ ALANIZ I ORTEGA
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN
EIGHTY SEVEN OH
ONE BY SEVEN MEMBER
BE APPROVED BY
ORTEGA I SANTIAGO
SAN DIEGO A STATE
THAT MEASURE FAILS
I WILL GRANT
RECONSIDERATION WITHOUT
OBJECTION NO OBJECTIONS
UNANIMOUS CONSENT
SHE I DON'T NUMBER
EIGHT EIGHTY SEVEN
TWENTY FOUR WAS ON
CONSENT ITEM NUMBER
NINE AB SEVEN TWENTY
FIVE THIS MEASURE WAS
ON CALL JONES SAWYER HI
JOHN YES JONES SAWYER I
ALANIZ ALANIZ I ORTEGA
ORTEGA I SANTIAGO
ITEM NUMBER NINE
AB SEVEN TWENTY
FIVE PAISA MEMBER
LOWENTHAL SAN DIEGO
I THAT MEASURE PASSES
ITEM NUMBER TEN EIGHTY
SEVEN FORTY TWO HAS
BEEN DISPENSED WITH
ITEM SEVEN FIFTEEN
EXCUSE ME ITEM NUMBER
ELEVEN EIGHTY SEVEN
FIFTY ONE WAS ON
CONSENT I THE NUMBER
TWELVE AB SEVEN FIFTY
EIGHT BY A SEVEN MEMBER
DIXON BRIAN BRIAN NO
SANTIAGO SAN DIEGO
NO ON RECONSIDERATION
ASSEMBLY MEMBER BRIAN
WITH THAT GIVEN THAT
UNANIMOUS YES WE DID BY
UNANIMOUS CONSENT REACH
YOU LIKE TO BE ADDED
NO THEY HAVE NOT BUT
YOU CAN GO AS EITHER
NO OR NOT VOTING SIR
NOT VOTING SANTIAGO
ON RECONSIDERATION FOR
AB SEVEN FIFTY EIGHT
SANTIAGO I ITEM NUMBER
THIRTEEN EIGHTY SEVEN
SIXTY THREE WAS PULLED
BY THE AUTHOR ITEM
NUMBER FOURTEEN EIGHTY
EIGHT OH SIX BY SUMMER
MAIENSCHEIN ORTEGA
ORTEGA I SANTIAGO
SAN DIEGO I I DON'T
INTERFERE TÍNH AB EIGHT
OH SEVEN THIS MEASURE
WAS ON CALL BRIAN
MCCARTY MCCARTY EXCUSE
ME BRIAN I LACKEY
LACKEY KNOWS SANTIAGO
SAN DIEGO I THAT
MEASURE PASSES I DON'T
NUMBER SIXTEEN AB EIGHT
OH EIGHT WAS PULLED
BY THE AUTHOR ITEM
NUMBER SEVENTEEN AB
EIGHT NINETEEN ORTEGA
ORTEGA I SANTIAGO
RIGHT
SANTIAGO I
NUMBER EIGHTEEN AB
EIGHT FIFTY FIVE BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER JACKSON
SANTIAGO SAN DIEGO
I I DON'T NUMBER
NINETEEN EIGHTY EIGHT
SIX TWO SANTIAGO SAN
DIEGO I I DON'T NUMBER
TWENTY AB EIGHT ONE
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER
TING THIS MEASURE
WAS ON CALL ALANIZ
ALANIZ I BRIAN BRIAN
I SANTIAGO SAN DIEGO
I THAT MEASURE PASSES
ITEM NUMBER TWENTY
ONE EIGHTY EIGHT
NINETY ORTEGA ORTEGA
I SANTIAGO SAN DIEGO
I I DIDN'T NUMBER
TWENTY TWO AB EIGHT
NINE AND HAD EIGHT NINE
EIGHT EXCUSE ME HAS
BEEN DISPENSED WITH I
REMEMBER TWENTY THREE
EIGHTY NINE TWELVE WAS
JUST DISPENSED WITH
ITEM NUMBER TWENTY FOUR
EIGHTY NINE FIFTY NINE
EXCUSE ME NINE FORTY
THREE WAS ON CONSENT
ITEM NUMBER TWENTY FIVE
EIGHTY NINE FIFTY EIGHT
HAS BEEN DISPENSED
WITH ITEM TWENTY SIX
EIGHTY NINE SEVENTY
SEVEN WAS PULLED BY THE
AUTHOR I DON'T TWENTY
SEVEN EIGHTY NINE NINE
FOUR BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER
JACKSON THIS MEASURE
WAS ON CALL SANTIAGO
SAN DIEGO HI THAT
MEASURE PASSES I AM
TWENTY EIGHT EIGHTY
NINE NINE SEVEN WITH
A CONSENT ITEM TWENTY
NINE EIGHTY TEN FORTY
SEVEN WAS PULLED BY
THE AUTHOR I AM NUMBER
THIRTY AB TEN SIXTY
FOUR BY SEVEN MEMBER
LOW LACKEY LACKEY I I
AM THIRTY ONE EDIT AB
TEN EIGHTY ON CONSENT
FOR THE RECORD A NUMBER
THIRTY PASSED YES
YES OKAY WITH THAT
BOB THIS CONCLUDES
THE HEARING FOR
THE ASSEMBLY PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE
MY FATHER FOR