GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO THE
ASSEMBLY NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMITTEE HEARING. PLEASE NOTE
THAT A B 3 40 BY VINCE FONG HAS
BEEN PULLED BY THE AUTHOR. WE
HAVE 17 MEASURES ON THE AGENDA
TODAY. UM, THIS IS, UM SIGN IN
ORDER. SO IF THERE'S AN AUTHOR
IN THE ROOM THAT HASN'T SIGNED
IN, UM PLEASE ASK THE SERGEANTS
TO SIGN IN. SIX MEASURES ARE
PROPOSED FOR CONSENT TODAY. A B
2 97 BY VINCE FONG ABC 706 BY
MYSELF. A B 788 PETRIE-NORRIS A
B 998 CONNOLLY A B 11 72
CALDERON AND A B 12 79 BY MIKE
FONG WE. WE ARE WAITING FOR A
QUORUM, BUT I WANT TO START AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE. AND WE WILL BE
DOING BILLS AND SIGN IN ORDER.
LET'S START WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PATTERSON. ITEM
FIVE. MAYBE 6 92. SO I. WE HAVE
A QUORUM, SO I WANT TO GO AHEAD
AND MY STAFF. IS NOT COMING UP
YET, BUT THE TWO BILLS SUPPORT.
I'LL BE QUICK, BUT I'LL DEFER TO
THE NEXT PERSON. OKAY WE WILL.
THEN WE'LL START WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DAVIES. BUT WE
HAVE A QUORUM. I WANT TO GO
AHEAD AND TAKE ROLL. HELLO. UM.
CALL THE ROLL. RIVAS HERE. RIVAS
HERE, FLORA FLORA HERE AT THIS.
FRIEDMAN. HOOVER HOOVER HERE,
MATHIS. MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI
HERE, PELLERIN. WARD. I WOULD
WOULD HERE'S BIRTH. SPARE HERE.
CONSENT. OKAY SO WE'LL GO AHEAD
AND START WITH ITEM NUMBER 11 BY
ASSEMBLY MEMBER DAVIES. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS TODAY I
AM HERE TO PRESENT A B 882 1ST
WANT TO THANK COMMITTEE STAFF
FOR WORKING WITH MY STAFF AND
STAKEHOLDERS ON THIS MEASURE.
MEMBERS AS PROPOSED TO BE
AMENDED. A B 882 WOULD GRANT THE
STATE COASTAL CONVERT
CONSERVATIVE THE AUTHORITY TO
ISSUE ADVANCE PAYMENTS OF GRANT
FUNDING TO RECIPIENTS AND
AWARDEES AS BACKGROUND GOVERNOR
CODE SECTION 11019.1 WAS ENACTED
IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR AND
APPLIES TO CERTAIN STATE
AGENCIES. UNDER SOME GRANT
PROGRAMS, THE ADMINISTRATING
AGENCY IS ALLOWED TO PROVIDE UP
TO 25% OF THE GRANT AMOUNT AS AN
ADVANCE PAYMENT TO GET THE
PROJECT TAKES STARTED THAT
DISCUSSION, THE ANALYSIS OF THE
BILL, THE BENEFITS OF ADVANCE
PAYMENTS IS THAT IT STANDS A
CASHFLOW PROBLEM FOR GRANT
RECIPIENTS WHO NEED FUNDING TO
KICK START A PROJECT. AND IT CAN
ALSO HELP IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN
GRANTEES HAVE TO SUBMIT
REIMBURSEMENTS FOR PROJECT
COSTS. UNFORTUNATELY UNDER THE
AUTHORIZATION LAST YEAR, THE
COASTAL CONSERVANCY WAS A STATE
ENTITY LEFT OUT OF THIS
AUTHORIZATION, MAYBE 88 TO CLOSE
THE LOOPHOLE. THE COASTAL
CONSERVANCY IS THE STATE AGENCY
ESTABLISHED IN 1976 TO PROTECT
AND IMPROVE NATURAL LANDS AND
WATERWAYS, HELP PEOPLE ACCESS
AND ENJOY THE OUTDOORS AND SUB
STAINED LOCAL ECONOMY ALONG WITH
LENGTH OF CALIFORNIA'S COAST.
EXAMPLE OF GRANTS AND PROGRAMS
THAT COULD BE HELPED WITH
ADVANCED PAYMENTS THROUGH THE
CONSERVANCY INCLUDES THE CLIMATE
READY PROGRAM AS WELL AS FUNDING
FOR SEA LEVEL RISE RESILIENCE
AND WILDFLOWER FIRE RESILIENCE
MEMBERS AS WE PREPARE TO COMBAT
THE EVER GROWING THREAT OF
CLIMATE CHANGE, WE MUST BE
INNOVATIVE IN OUR TACTICS AND
EFFORTS TO HELP OUR COMMUNITIES
CURB OUR EVER GROWING
ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES. TWO
WEEKS AGO IN MY DISTRICT, WE HAD
A LANDSLIDE DUE TO THE ASPIRIN
RIVERS, AND IT WILL TAKE
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO FIT. FIX
OUR COASTAL BLUFFS AND SHORE UP
COASTLINES THANKS TO THE GREAT
WORK BY COMMITTEE STAFF. THAT
CONSERVANCY IS OKAY WITH THIS
BILL AND WOULD LIKE THIS
AUTHORIZATION. I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN I VOTE. THANK YOU.
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. HOLD ON,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOT IT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, ABIGAIL, MILE ON
BEHALF OF THE MID PENINSULA
REGIONAL OPEN SPACE DISTRICT AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. OKAY.
SEE NONE. UM ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A
MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA. UM,
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS PASSED AS AMENDED
TO APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS
BY FLORA FLORA I ADDIS FRIEDMAN.
HOOVER HOOVER. I. MATHIS
MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI. AYE,
PELLERIN. HELLO AND I WARD.
WOULD WOULD ICEBERG. THANK YOU.
I. THAT BILL HAS SEVEN VOTES
WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. UM OKAY. NEXT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TING A B 882
ITEM. ITEM 18. OH MY PLACE OR
CAN I JUST DEFER AS IT HAVE
STAFF? THE LINER. OKAY? OKAY,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR. UH MAYBE 13 47 IS
MY SKIP THE SLIP LEGISLATION ARE
BRINGING IT BACK. TO REDUCE
WASTE AND ENSURE THAT WE DON'T
EXPEND VALUABLE RESOURCES,
ALLOWING CONSUMERS TO MAKE THE
CHOICE WHETHER THEY GET A
RECEIPT OR NOT. AND ALSO MAKING
SURE THAT WE TAKE TOXIC
CHEMICALS OUT OF OUR MOST COMMON
RECEIPTS, ACCORDING TO GREEN
AMERICA RECEIVES WASTE NEARLY
THREE MILLION TREES 10 BILLION
GALLONS OF WATER IN £302 MILLION
OF WASTE. I DIDN'T DISCOVER
UNTIL I DID THE LEGISLATION IF
YOU YEARS AGO THAT THE THERMAL
PAPER IN THESE RECEIPTS
CONTAINED B P A AND SOMETIMES
BPS. AND AS WE KNOW THIS IS A
VERY TOXIC CHEMICAL SOMETHING
THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT IN OUR
WASTE STREAM OR OR WATER STREAM.
OR FRANKLY, IT ACTUALLY INFECTS
YOU WHEN YOU TOUCH IT, SO I
THOUGHT, OH, IF I TOUCH IT, IT'S
OKAY. IT'S JUST THE INGESTING
PART, ACTUALLY TOUCHING. IT IS
ACTUALLY SOME OF THE BIGGER
PROBLEMS WERE VERY, VERY PROUD
THAT MANY MANY COMPANIES HAVE
ALREADY MOVED AWAY FROM B P A.
AND B. P S AND THE RECEIPTS
TRADER JOE'S CVS WHOLE FOODS, TJ
MAXX AND WE'VE SEEN IT ALREADY.
ILLINOIS AS WELL AS THE EUROPEAN
UNION, MOVE AWAY FROM BP AND BPS
, BUT ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO
SAY NO TO RECEIPTS IF WE WANT IF
WE DON'T WANT THEM, I'M ALSO
WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS
SOME CONCERNS AROUND PRIVACY.
SHOULD THIS BILL GET TO PRIVACY
? WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING
VERY, VERY CLOSELY WITH BOTH THE
ELECTRIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION IN
THE CALIFORNIA LOW INCOME
CONSUMERS COALITION TO ADDRESS
THE CONCERNS WITH THE BAIL
INSURANCE CUSTOMERS CAN STILL
ACCESS PAPER RECEIPT IF THEY
WANT ONE AGAIN. THIS IS CONSUMER
CHOICE. SHOULD YOU WANT A PAPER
RECEIPT? YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN GET
ONE AND ACTION AND HOPEFULLY, IF
YOU WANT THAT PAPER RECEIPT AND
YOU GET IT, IT'S NOT TOXIC WITH
THAT I HAVE TWO WITNESSES, UH,
NICOLE CHERIAN FROM CALIFORNIANS
AGAINST WASTE AND NANCY
BIEDERMEIER FROM BREAST CONCERT
BREAST CANCER PREVENTION
PARTNERS. EXCUSE ME. I JUST WANT
TO REMIND EACH WITNESS HAS TWO
MINUTES. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
NICOLE KOREAN WITH CALIFORNIANS
AGAINST WASTE, UM WE'RE PROUD TO
SPONSOR A B 13 47, WHICH WOULD
ALLOW CONSUMERS TO CHOOSE
BETWEEN OPTIONS TO RECEIVE A
PAPER RECEIPT AND THE RECEIPT OR
NO RECEIPT AND PROHIBIT DPR BPS
ON THESE PAPER RECEIPTS. RECEIVE
PAPER PRODUCTION UTILIZES MORE
THAN THREE MILLION TREES AND 10
BILLION GALLONS OF WATER EVERY
YEAR IN THE UNITED STATES AND
THE PRODUCTION DISPOSAL A
RECEIPT PAPER AMIDST THE CARBON
EQUIVALENT OF ALMOST HALF A
MILLION CARS ON THE ROAD. THE
VAST MAJORITY OF THIS PRODUCTION
CREATES UNNECESSARY WASTE. ONE
SURVEY FOUND THAT AMERICANS
THREW AWAY OR LOST ABOUT HALF OF
THE PAPER RECEIPTS. THEY
RECEIVED EVEN THOSE THAT THEY
INTENDED TO KEEP. FURTHERMORE
AUTOMATICALLY PRINTING A PAPER
RECEIPT IS AN OUTDATED AND
WASTEFUL PRACTICE
ENVIRONMENTALLY AND ECONOMICALLY
CONSCIOUS BUSINESSES WHO HAVE
IMPLEMENTED POINT OF PURCHASE
PROMPTS THAT PRESENT CONSUMERS
WITH THESE CHOICES CVS DID IN
EARLY 2022 HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE
BENEFITS. CVS IS THE LARGEST
PHARMACY CHAIN IN THE UNITED
STATES, AND THIS MOVE ALONE
SAVED ABOUT 87 MILLION YARDS OF
RECEIPT PAPER. ENOUGH TO CIRCLE
THE GLOBE TWO TIMES. FINALLY
RECEIPT PAPER IS OFTEN COATED
WITH TOXIC ENDOCRINE, DISRUPTING
CHEMICALS LIKE BP AND BPS. IN
ADDITION TO EXPOSING RETAIL
WORKERS AND CONSUMERS TO THESE
CHEMICALS IF RECYCLED, THE TOXIC
CODING ON RECEIPTS CAN
CONTAMINATE RECYCLED PAPER
PRODUCTS LIKE TOILET PAPER AND
FOOD PACKAGING. 13 47 WOULD
SIMPLY ALLOW CONSUMERS TO CHOOSE
IF AND HOW TO RECEIVE A PROOF OF
PROOF OF PURCHASE, REDUCING
WASTE AND SAVING NATURAL
RESOURCES. FOR THESE REASONS, WE
URGE YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK
YOU. MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
NANCY BUREAU MEYER WITH BREAST
CANCER PREVENTION PARTNERS.
MAYBE 13 47 IS AN IMPORTANT BILL
THAT HAS REAL LIFE IMPLICATIONS
FOR OUR HEALTH. BREAST CANCER
PREVENTION PARTNERS WORKS TO
PREVENT BREAST CANCER BY
REDUCING OUR EXPOSURE TO TOXIC
CHEMICALS THAT ARE LINKED TO THE
DISEASE. BP HAS LONG BEEN A
CHEMICAL THAT WE ARE DEEPLY
CONCERNED ABOUT. IT'S TIME TO
ROOM IT, REMOVE IT AND THE
REGRETTABLE SUBSTITUTE BPS FROM
THERMAL RECEIPT PAPERS ARE
EXPOSURE TO BISPHENOL IS
UBIQUITOUS AND CONTINUOUS.
ACCORDING TO THE CDC. ALL OF US
HAVE OVER 90% 90% OF US HAVE BPA
AND BPS IN OUR BODIES. THEY
DISRUPT THE VERY SENSITIVE
BALANCE BALANCE OF OUR HORMONES
AND PROFOUND NEGATIVE EFFECTS AT
VERY LOW LEVELS. EARLY LIFE
EXPOSURES ARE PARTICULARLY
CONCERNING BECAUSE THIS
DEVELOPMENTAL PERIOD IS WHEN
THESE CHEMICALS HAVE THEIR
BIGGEST AND LONGEST LASTING
IMPACTS. B P A AND B P S ARE
ABSORBED THROUGH THE SKIN WHEN
HANDLING THERMAL RECEIPT PAPERS
. THIS IS A THIS EXPOSURE IS
CONCERNING FOR ALL CONSUMERS,
HOWEVER, THE GREATEST RISK IS
FOR CASHIERS, 70% OF WHICH ARE
WOMEN AND 70% OF THOSE ARE OF
REPRODUCTIVE AGE. OCCUPATIONAL
STUDIES CONFIRM THAT BPA LEVELS
AND CASHIERS RISE SIGNIFICANTLY
AFTER A SINGLE SHIFT. B P, A AND
B P S OR STRUCTURALLY VERY
SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER AND
ESTROGEN. HENCE THEIR
DESIGNATION AS ESTROGEN MIMIC
EAR'S THIS PINOS HAVE BEEN
LINKED TO NUMEROUS HEALTH HARMS,
INCLUDING LOW BIRTH WEIGHT.
FERTILITY PROBLEMS, OBESITY AND
AN INCREASED RISK OF BREAST AND
OTHER CANCERS. CONNECTICUT
ILLINOIS AND THE EU HAVE ALREADY
BANNED BPA FROM THERMAL PAPER,
AND A RECENT REPORT SUGGESTS
THAT BPS HAS LARGELY LARGELY
REPLACED B P A. OF THE OVER 350
RECEIPTS TESTED A WHOPPING 70%
79% HAD BPS. THE VERY GOOD NEWS
IS THAT 20% OF THOSE RECEIPTS
WERE FREE OF THESE TOXIC
CHEMICALS. CLEARLY ALTERNATIVES
ARE AVAILABLE AND IN USE IT'S
TIME TO PASS A B 13 47. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME,
ORGANIZATION AND POSITION ON THE
BILL. HOLD ON, PLEASE. WE HAVE
TO CONNECT THIS. MIKE. GO AHEAD
. HELLO, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS,
VICTORIA'S ROME WITH NATURAL
RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL IN
SUPPORT. MEGHAN SHUMWAY, RETIRED
NURSE IN SUPPORT. SECURE CARTER
ON BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB,
CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON TOMORROW, EAGER ON
BEHALF OF RESYNC WASTE, CLEANS
THESE LOBBYING COALITION AND
CLEAN WATER ACTION AND SUPPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHRISTINA SCORE
AND WITH THE CENTER FOR
BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY AND SUPPORT
GOOD AFTERNOON, HEIDI SANBORN
WITH THE NATIONAL STEWARDSHIP,
ACTION COUNSEL AND SUPPORT. ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES? AN
OPPOSITION.
SORRY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS IS THIS ON SORRY.
AH THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
TO TESTIFY. MARGARET GLADSTEIN
HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
RETAILERS ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE
AN OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED
POSITION. WE APPRECIATE THE
AUTHORS DESIRE TO GET RID OF
THIS PANELS IN RECEIPTS. WE ARE
OKAY WITH SIMPLY THAT PROVISION
OF THE BILL, AS LONG AS THERE IS
A 2025 IMPLEMENTATION DATE,
WHICH IS OUR UNDERSTANDING OF
THE TIME. THAT THE MARKET WILL
BE ABLE TO PLOT SUPPLY AN
ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF, UH, RECEIPT
PAPER THAT DOES NOT HAVE THOSE
CHEMICALS. SO WITH A ONE YEAR
IMPLEMENTATION DATE AND THE BILL
ONLY HAVING THE BISPHENOL BAND,
WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT.
UNFORTUNATELY WE FIND THE OTHER
PROVISIONS OF THE BILL. VERY
PROBLEMATIC. IN PARTICULAR. WE
HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE
REQUIREMENT TO OFFER NO RECEIPT.
JUST LAST YEAR, THIS LEGISLATURE
ALLOCATED NEARLY $300 MILLION
TO, UH, FOR GRANTS TO PREVENT
ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT. SOME
RETAILERS ARE NOW USING RECEIPTS
AS A METHOD TO STOP ORGANIZED
RETAIL THEFT, CHECKING RECEIPTS
AT THE EXIT. SO IT IS ONE TOOL
THAT RETAILERS HAVE AND SO WE
DON'T LIKE. UNFORTUNATELY, DON'T
SOME RETAILERS DO OFFER THE NO
RECEIPT OPTION. BUT WE DON'T
LIKE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, UM
AND AS COMMITTEE NOTES, THE
COMMITTEE NOTES RECEIPTS OVERALL
, MAKE A VERY SMALL PURPOSE
ENTITY OF THE WASTE STREAM. AND
WITHOUT THE THIS ONE ALL CODINGS
, UM THOSE WOULD BE COMPOSTABLE
AND RECYCLABLE. IN ADDITION, WE
ARE OPPOSED TO THE PROVISIONS OF
THE BILL THAT REQUIRE THE
RECEIPT ONLY BE, UM AS LONG AS
SORRY DOES NOT INCLUDE ITEMS NON
ESSENTIAL TO THE TRANSACTION.
THIS WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF
COUPONS THAT PEOPLE CAN BE
OFFERED AT WE KNOW PEOPLE USE
COUPONS, PARTICULARLY IN
CHALLENGING ECONOMIC TIMES. WE
ALSO EARNING CLEAR IF WE COULD
SAY THANK YOU FOR SHOPPING WITH
US OR HAVE A NICE DAY, OR POLICE
SUPPORT THE LOCAL CHARITY THAT
WE THAT RETAILER MAY BE
SUPPORTING. SO FOR THESE REASONS
, WE HAVE AN OPPOSING LESS
ADMITTED POSITION, AND IF THE
OFFICER DOES NOT ACCEPT OUR
AMENDMENTS, WE WILL HOPE YOU
OPPOSED THE BILL TODAY. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS MET SATIN WITH A COUPLE
OF YOUR RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION.
WE TOO ARE OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED. UH ABOUT 85% OF OUR
RESTAURANTS ARE THOSE SMALLER,
COMMUNITY BASED RESTAURANTS AND
I KNOW THE PROPOSAL MAY SEEM
VERY SIMPLE, AND I THINK ON ITS
FACE IT IS BUT THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF IT HAS A LOT
OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND
WE AS A RESTAURANT COMMUNITY,
AND I THINK THE SMALL BUSINESS
COMMUNITY AT LARGE ISN'T REALLY
THERE YET. YES, LOTS OF PEOPLE,
ESPECIALLY DURING THE PANDEMIC,
SORT OF ADVANCED THEIR USE OF
TECHNOLOGY AND ELECTRONIC
RECEIPTS. BUT THERE'S STILL AN
AWFUL LOT OF RESTAURANTS AND
OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES THAT DO
NOT HAVE THE POINT OF SALES
SYSTEMS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE
REQUIREMENTS OF THE BILL. WE AS
YOU CAN IMAGINE, DON'T CARE.
WHAT KIND OF PAPER IS IN THE
POINT OF SALES SYSTEM? IT IS
JUST THE FACT THAT IT HAS THESE
CHEMICALS ON IT AT THIS POINT,
SO A MATTER OF PHASING THOSE
CHEMICALS OUT ON A TIMELINE THAT
MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE
THAT MAKE THE POINT OF SALES
SYSTEMS BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND,
WE'RE JUST THE END USERS OF
THESE SYSTEMS. A TIMELINE THAT
MEETS THEIR ABILITY TO PHASE OUT
THESE CHEMICALS IS ABSOLUTELY
APPROPRIATE, AND THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS GLAD
TO SEE IN REFERENCE AND THAT WE
WOULD SUPPORT AND THAT'S WHY WE
ARE OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED THAT
THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS. THIS
IS A BASICALLY A DEFACTO BAN ON
PAPER RECEIPTS UNLESS THEY'RE
FREE OF THOSE CHEMICALS. SO IN
THE MEANTIME, WE CAN'T OFFER
PAPER RECEIPTS, WHICH MEANS WE
HAVE TO OFFER ELECTRONIC
RECEIPTS, WHICH MEANS THAT IN A
LONG LINE IN A FAST, CASUAL
SETTING, WE'RE ASKING CUSTOMERS
AND GUESTS FOR SOME LEVEL OF
PERSONAL INFORMATION. SO THAT'S
GOT OPERATIONAL HICCUPS BECAUSE
ALL THAT'S HAPPENING IN LINE
IT'S HAPPENING VERBALLY. IT'S
POSSIBLY BEING OVERHEARD BY
OTHERS. AND SO WE HAVE
OPERATIONAL CONCERNS WITH THAT
PIECE. THE PRIVACY ISSUES. I
KNOW WE'LL GET DISCUSSED AND A
FUTURE COMMITTEE. BUT THAT, TOO,
IS AN ISSUE. THERE'S A LOT OF
SMALL RESTAURANTS THAT CURRENTLY
AREN'T UNDER THE CCP. A BUT WITH
THESE TYPES OF EXCHANGES, THEY
COULD HIT THE THRESHOLD WHERE
THEY WOULD BE IN THAT. AND YOU
KNOW THAT IS COSTLY COMPLIANCE
FOR SMALL RESTAURANTS. AND THEN
FINALLY THIS SPEECH ISSUE THE
LIMITATION ON WHAT CAN AND
CANNOT BE ON THE RECEIPT IN
TERMS OF NOTHING IN ADDITION TO
THE FINANCIAL TRACKS TRANSACTION
GENERALLY ALL OF THE THINGS THAT
WE PUT ON RECEIPTS ARE MEANT TO
PROTECT THE GUESTS AND THE
CONSUMER. THEIR FEEDBACK
MECHANISMS, THEIR COUPONS, THEIR
SURVEY SECONDS. THERE ARE ALL
SORTS OF THINGS THAT ACTUALLY
PROVIDE VALUE. TO OUR GUESTS AND
CONSUMERS. AND SO WE OBJECTED
THE FACT THAT SPEECH IS BEING
LIMITED ON OUR RECEIPTS, AND FOR
THAT REASON WE ARE OPPOSED
UNLESS AMENDED. THANK YOU. NEXT
ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION IN THE ROOM. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
COMMITTEE ADAM REGULAR ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE. WHEN I ALIGN OUR
COMMENTS WITH THE RETAILER
ASSOCIATION RESTAURANT WE HAVE
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR KURT
KIMMEL SHOW ON BEHALF OF THE
AMERICAN FORCES AND PAPER
ASSOCIATION ALSO OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED POSITION. THANKS.
AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS DEAN TALLY WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS AND
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION POSE LESS
AMENDED. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS, JOHN WINGER ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA FUELS AND
CONVENIENCE ALLIANCE ALSO OPPOSE
UNLESS AMENDED. THANK YOU. ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SUKI YES, THANK
YOU, MR TANG. AYE. I STARTED
LOVING YOUR BILL INSTEAD OF AND
SO I STARTED HEARING YOU KNOW,
ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT. NOT
HAVING THE CAPACITY TO GET TO
THE B P A OF FREE AH CHALLENGE
FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. WE LOVE
OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. CAN YOU
RESPOND? ABSOLUTELY SO, UH, TWO
STATES HAVE ALREADY BANNED BPA,
BOTH ILLINOIS AND CONNECTICUT.
WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH
TIME TO MEET THE DEADLINE. WITH
THE CURRENT DEADLINE, AS IN
BILLS, THE EUROPEAN UNION, SO
CONNECTICUT BANDIT IN 2011,
ILLINOIS BANDIT IN 2019, THE
YEAH, YOU YOU EUROPEAN UNION,
BEGINNING IN 2020 HAS RESTRICTED
THE USE OF BPA IN THEIR THERMAL
PAPER. SO WE BELIEVE THERE'S
PLENTY OF SUPPLY AND ALSO GIVEN
THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'RE
THE LEAD TIME THAT THIS COULD
TAKE. WE THINK THAT THIS BILL
CAN BE IMPLEMENTED. BUT WHAT
ABOUT YOU KNOW, I AM VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT ORGANIZED RETAIL
THEFT, AS YOU KNOW, AND, UH I
WOULD HATE TO TAKE A TOLL AWAY
FROM FROM OUR RESTAURANTS AND
RETAILERS. YOU KNOW TO BE ABLE
TO VERIFY THAT SOMEONE HAD
PURCHASED? SURE YEAH, I DON'T
KNOW. I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE
COMMENTS FROM THE RESTAURANT
ASSOCIATION, I DON'T HAVE THAT
ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT IS
PROMINENT IN THAT INDUSTRY.
OBVIOUSLY. WERE CONTINUING TALKS
WITH THE ONE RETAILER THAT
REALLY WANT YOU TO SHOW A
RECEIPT ON YOUR WAY OUT AS YOUR
AS YOU THINK ABOUT IT EVERY TIME
YOU WALK OUT OF A STORE, THERE
REALLY IS NO STORE THAT REALLY
CHECKS YOUR RECEIPT UPON EXIT
EXCEPT FOR OUR 22 OF OUR BIG BOX
RETAILERS, WHICH IS SAM'S CLUB
AS WELL AS COSTCO. SAM'S CLUBS
ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THIS THEY
ALREADY HAD THAT PAPERLESS
OPTION, SO IT'S REALLY ONLY
COSTCO AGAIN. I THINK IF SAM'S
SAM'S CLUB CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY
TO DO THIS AND STILL NOT BE
CONCERNED ABOUT ORGANIZED RETAIL
STUFF, I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS
IS A MAJOR ISSUE IN TERMS OF
SMALL BUSINESSES. I THINK WHAT I
INTRODUCED THE BILL NUMBER OF
YEARS AGO. OBVIOUSLY, THAT WAS
AN ISSUE. BUT DURING THE
PANDEMIC, AS YOU WILL PROBABLY
JUST THINK ABOUT ALL THE SMALL
BUSINESSES THAT WE GO TO THINK
ABOUT ALL OF THE ONES THAT
ALREADY TRANSITION TO PAPERLESS
DURING THAT TIME BECAUSE WE WERE
SO FOCUSED ON NOT TOUCHING
ANYTHING, NOT WANTING TO COME
INTO CONTACT MANY OF THEM ALL
THE NEW TERMINALS, THE NEWEST
TECH TERMINALS THAT CATER TO
SMALL BUSINESSES, THEY ALL HAVE
THAT OPTION OF PAPERLESS
RECEIPTS. TEXT, ETCETERA, SO I
THINK YOU KNOW, ALMOST MOST OF
THEM ALREADY UP TO SPEED. SO I
ONLY SHOP AT COSTCO. I NEVER
SHOPPED AT SAM'S CLUB. HOW DID
THEY DO IT? I DON'T KNOW. I'M
NOT JUST TELLING YOU. I DON'T
SHOP AT SAM'S CLUB OR COSTCO
THAT MUCH. SO UH THIS IS JUST MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE
IMPLEMENTED. THEY'VE ALREADY
IMPLEMENTED IT. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BURKE. I SORT
OF HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS, MR
MARIN. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK
THIS IS A GREAT BILL. I THINK
BOTH OF THESE CHEMICALS NEED TO
BE BANNED. UM, FROM WHAT I COULD
TELL FROM THE LETTERS IT SOUNDS
LIKE THE MAJOR ISSUE IS WHAT
HAPPENS BETWEEN JANUARY 1 2024
JANUARY 1 2025 IS IN, ISN'T IT?
I MEAN THAT THAT'S THAT'S ONE
ISSUE. THE OTHER MAJOR ISSUE IS
THE RECEIPTS UPON REQUEST. THE
OPPOSITION IS NOT IN FAVOR OF
THE RECEIPTS UPON REQUEST. SO IF
YOU WERE TO ASK A RETAILER NOT
TO PRINT A RECEIPT, NOT TO GIVE
YOU A RECEIPT. YOU DON'T REALLY
HAVE THAT CHOICE RIGHT NOW. UH
YOU KNOW IF I'M IF I'M AT MY
PHARMACY I DON'T WANT I DON'T
NEED THE RECEIPT BECAUSE I GOT A
PACK OF GUM. I DON'T I DON'T
NEED ANYTHING THAT THAT'S THAT'S
THIS LONG. I THINK IT'S ALMOST
AS TALL AS I AM. AH YOU KNOW
WHEN YOU'RE WALKING OUT WITH TWO
ITEMS, AND SO THEREFORE I DON'T
REALLY HAVE THAT OPTION. IF I
DON'T WANT ALL THESE COUPONS. I
DON'T GET TO SAY NO TO THEM.
THEY GET PRINTED OUT AND THEY
GET THROWN IN THE TRASH. SO
AGAIN, IT'S REALLY PUTTING THE
POWER BACK IN THE HANDS OF THE
CONSUMERS. CONSUMERS MAKE THE
CHOICE IF THEY WANT THE RECEIPT.
THEY GET THE RECEIPT. THERE'S
NOTHING, UM, CHANGING WHAT THE
CONSUMER WANTS. BUT WHAT ABOUT
THE PRIVACY CONCERNS THAT THE
ABOUT YOU KNOW THE ELECTRONIC
SYSTEMS FOR THE SMALLER
RETAILERS? YEAH WELL AGAIN. I
THINK THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT
WE'RE WORKING ON WITH POTENTIAL
OPPONENTS. UM I KNOW THAT LAST
TIME WHEN WE DID THE BILL, THERE
WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY
. UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS A HUGE
SHIFT IN TERMS OF SORT OF
PAPERLESS CONSOLES FOR SMALL
BUSINESSES. SO CLEARLY, I THINK
THAT CONCERN IN TERMS OF
CONSUMER CONSUMER POINT OF VIEW
ENOUGH FROM AN ADVOCATE POINT OF
VIEW, BUT FROM A CONSUMER POINT
OF VIEW, THERE'S ALREADY A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMFORT
FOR TOUCHLESS SORT OF TERMINALS.
I MEAN FOR ME THE BIGGEST
BENEFIT IN THIS BILL IS THE
BANNING OF THE CHEMICALS, AND I
THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING. OBVIOUSLY YOU
DON'T LIKE THE PAPER WASTE
EITHER, BUT UM, BUT I DO THINK
THAT THERE'S SOME LEGITIMATE
CONCERNS THAT I THINK THE SMALL
BUSINESSES ARE RAISING AROUND
THESE PRIVACY RIGHTS, AND I'M
GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY
, BUT I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL
CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE
RETAILERS TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME
OF THE SMALL BUSINESS CONCERNS
WITH PRIVACY. WE'RE DEFINITELY
SHOULD WE GET OUT WOULD BE GOING
TO PRIVACY NEXT, AND WE'LL
DEFINITELY BE WORKING WITH THE
ADVOCATES THERE TOO. ADDRESS
THEIR CONCERNS FOR SURE. NOW
AGAIN. AH THE CRUX OF THE BILL
IS STILL PAPER UPON REQUEST. SO
AGAIN, THE POWERS AND IN OUR
HANDS RIGHT NOW WE GET SHOT
SOMETHING WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR
NOT. THE POWER'S BACK IN OUR
HANDS WHETHER WE WANT IT. I'M
JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE ON SORT
OF THE ISSUE OF THE PAPER THE
THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU
MIGHT THINK ABOUT FOR SMALL
BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY THOSE
THAT HAVE THESE POINT OF SALE
ISSUES. I MEAN, I WOULD BE I
THINK THAT'S A SYMPATHETIC SET
OF ISSUES THAT THEY'RE RAISING.
ABSOLUTELY OKAY.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD THANK
YOU. I TOO SO GOING TO SUPPORT
YOUR BILL, AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE
CAN I HAVE THE RECEIPT FROM MY
TOOTHBRUSH BACK? UH BUT I DO
WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN I
DON'T LIKE GIVING OUT MY EMAIL
ADDRESS. EVERYWHERE I GO. AND IF
I DON'T AND I CHOOSE TO PRINT
THE RECEIPT AT HOME, OR I DO
REPRESENT PRINT THE REGIME. ALL
I HAVE NOW GENERATED PAPER AND
SPENT MONEY ON INK FOR RECEIPTS.
WE NEED THEM FOR, YOU KNOW.
TAXES AND TO REPORT TO OUR
CAMPAIGNS OR WHATEVER ELSE WE DO
IN OUR LIVES, RIGHT? AND SO, UM
IN SOME WAYS, PART OF THIS IS
SHIFTING THE BURDEN BACK TO
CONSUMERS. BUT I'LL BE WITH A
SAFER PRODUCT, THOUGH, SO I
SUPPORT REMOVING THE CHEMICAL
FROM THAT, BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE
THAT WE'RE SHIFTING BURDEN BACK
TO THE CONSUMERS FOR THINGS AS
WELL. WELL AGAIN. I THINK I
THINK MY EXPERIENCE IT AGAIN.
IT'S JUST ONE PERSON'S
EXPERIENCE IS EVEN WITH THE
NEWER KIOSK TERMINALS IF YOU
WANT A PAPER RECEIPT LIKE YOU
MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE
GETTING REIMBURSED, YOU CAN ASK
FOR THAT. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST
SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO
REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PELLERIN. FIRST
OF ALL, LOVE THE SCARF. HAVE YOU
TRIED TO USE THAT AS A COUPON AT
THE STORY HAVEN'T MATCHING TIE?
I'M GONNA WORK NEXT TIME YOU AND
I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT
THE CONCERN OF THE IMPACT. THIS
IS GOING TO HAVE A HEARING THAT
THIS BP, A BPS FREE PAPER IS NOT
READILY AVAILABLE, BUT YET OTHER
STATES ARE USING IT. THE EU IS
USING IT. SO DO WE HAVE DATA
AROUND THE AVAILABILITY OF THIS
PAPER? I ASKED MY STUFF. ALL I
KNOW IS THAT THERE IS A REPORT
THAT WAS RELEASED LAST WEEK THAT
SHOWED THAT 20% OF THE RECEIPTS
THAT WERE FROM STORES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY WHERE BEAT BISPHENOL
FREE, SO WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE
THOSE RECEIPTS OUT THERE AND
PRESUMABLY WILL BE PRINTING A
LOT FEWER RECEIPTS. IF THE BILL
PASSES AS A WHOLE, SO THE VOLUME
THAT YOU WILL NEED WOULD BE
LOWER. AND MARK'S PIRI INSISTS
THAT THE INDUSTRY IS GONNA RISE
TO THE OCCASION. OKAY? YEAH
WELL, AND I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH THE OPPONENTS TO MAKE
SURE THEIR CONCERNS ARE
ADDRESSED. ABSOLUTELY. THANK
YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM I
APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE GOING
WITH THIS. AND I THINK IF THE
BILL IS JUST ABOUT GETTING RID
OF THE TOXIC SIDE OF IT WOULD BE
ALL ABOUT IT. UH, IT'S BEEN MY
EXPERIENCE. THAT NOW THAT WE'RE
ABLE TO CHOOSE IF WE WOULD LIKE
A RECEIPT OR NOT. QUITE FRANKLY,
THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE I'VE
NEEDED TO CHOOSE A RECEIPT AND
BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, WELL,
THERE'S AN ELECTRONIC VERSION.
THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE
PAPER. AND PEOPLE AREN'T
CARRYING THEM. AND SO IT'S
PUTTING PEOPLE AT A DISADVANTAGE
. SO MY QUESTION IS. WHAT ARE
YOU WE DOING ON THE CONSUMER?
PROTECTION SIDE TO MAKE SURE
THAT IF THEY DO WANT A PAPER
RECEIPT, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET
ONE. WELL NO, I THINK I THINK
THE ASPECT IN THE BILL BUILT
BUILT INTO THERE TO MAKE SURE
ABSOLUTELY STILL HAVE PAPER
THERE BECAUSE I'M STARTING TO
SEE IT AND I GET COMPLAINTS FROM
PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE I CAN'T
EVEN GET A RESHOOT ANYMORE, AND
THAT'S JUST HOW SOME FOLKS DO
BUSINESS. THE BILL IS SAYING
THAT, UH, CONSUMERS CAN STILL
GET RECEIPTS UPON REQUEST UPON
REGRET IF THEY HAVE THE PAPER,
BUT THAT'S IN THERE. NOT
CARRYING THE PAPER. WELL, I'M
NOT MY BILLS, NOT MANDATING.
EVERY BUSINESS HAVE PAPER
RECEIPTS. THAT'S A DIFFERENT
BILL. RIGHT SO IF A BILL IF A
COFFEE SHOP DOESN'T WANT TO
PRINT YOUR RECEIPT. THEN WE HAVE
A CHOICE. WHETHER WE WANT TO GO
TO THE COFFEE SHOP OR NOT.
THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW, TO THAT SAME ARGUMENT
THAT WE HAVE A CHOICE OF WHETHER
WE WANT TO GO TO SOMEBODY THAT'S
PAPERLESS OR NOT SO IF I COULD
JUMP IN REALLY QUICKLY, SO THE
LANGUAGE OF THE BILL REQUIRES
THE BUSINESS TO PRESENT. UM ALL
OF THE OPTIONS NEUTRALLY SO THE
CONSUMER CAN CHOOSE AND SO IN
THIS CASE, UM YOU KNOW,
BUSINESSES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO
HAVE AT LEAST ALL OF THE OPTIONS
AVAILABLE, SO THAT MIGHT
ACTUALLY FIX MY ISSUE. MY POINT
IS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, BUT
WITHOUT A MECHANISM TO ENSURE
THAT THAT'S BEING DONE.
BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO SLACK ON
THAT, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN, AND THAT'S BEEN MY
EXPERIENCE WOULD YOU WANT WOULD
YOU WANT TO ENFORCEMENT THEN?
ARE YOU WANT? ARE YOU GONNA WANT
ENFORCEMENT ON YOUR SIDE ASKING
YOU? YOU'RE YOU'RE THE ONE WHO
SUGGESTED IT. BUSINESS WORKS THE
WAY IT IS NOW. SO WHY CHANGE
YOUR FEE? THEN? I'M JUST TRYING
TO UNDERSTAND. MR MATHIS. YOUR
POINT. MR KING. I DON'T THINK
YOU'VE SEEN A FEE YOU DON'T LIKE
SO I WOULD. I WOULD COMPLETELY
DISAGREE WITH THAT. OKAY.
REMEMBER HOOVER? THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S UH, JUST REALLY
QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, I THINK, JUST
HEARING THE READING THE
OPPOSITION LETTERS. I THINK
THERE IS A REAL CONSENSUS HERE
ON SOME SOME REASONABLE
ENVIRONMENTAL LEGISLATION ON
REMOVING BP A ON A REASONABLE
TIMELINE. I WOULD BE VERY
INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT BILL.
I CERTAINLY CAN'T SUPPORT THIS
VERSION WITH THE MANDATES. UM
AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DO
SHOP AT WALMART. YOU MIGHT WANT
TO ADD THAT TO YOUR LIST BECAUSE
THEY ALSO CHECK RECEIPTS AT THE
DOOR. MILLIONS OF OUR
CONSTITUENTS SHOP AT WALMART. UM
AND WE HAVE MADE IT. VERY HARD
IN THIS STATE TO STOP RETAIL
THEFT. AND SO THAT IS A HUGE
CONCERN OF MINE ALSO HAVE
CONCERNS WITH THE PRIVACY ISSUES
AS WELL, BUT WOULD LOVE TO, UM
IF THOSE PROVISIONS GET STRIPPED
OUT. OH, DEFINITELY CONSIDER
SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THANK YOU. THANK YOU
, UH, DO WE HAVE EMOTION?
EMOTION. HOW MANY? OKAY? THE
SECOND OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION
AND A SECOND ASSEMBLY ROUTINE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE AGAIN?
APPRECIATE THE I THINK THE
ROBUST DISCUSSION AROUND SMALL
BUSINESSES AROUND PRIVACY, I
THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH DIFFERENT
ADVOCATES ABOUT THE PROVISIONS
OF BILL APPRECIATE MR HOOVER'S
COMMENT ABOUT WALMART, SO WE'LL
DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT AS
WELL. AGAIN WE BELIEVE THAT THIS
IS REALLY ABOUT PROVIDING A
CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONSUMER CHOICE
WHILE ALSO HAVING ENVIRONMENTAL
BENEFITS. RESPECT FOR US FOR A
VOTE ON A B 13 47. THANK YOU, SO
WE HAVE EMOTION. FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S AT A SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WARD. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS TO PRIVACY
AND CONSUMER PROTECTION. UM,
SECRETARY, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL? RIVAS I RIVAS I FLORA.
ADDIS AYE, FRIEDMAN. HOOVER.
HOOVER NO. MATHIS IS NO MERIT.
SUKI SUKI, I PELLERIN HOLLERIN
AWARD. WARD. I WOULD WOULD
ICEBERG. THAT BILL HAS SIX VOTES
WORLD. LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PATTERSON IN
THE ROOM. I CAN HOW ABOUT NEXT?
WE'LL MOVE TO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CARILLO. ITEM 14. A B 11 67.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I
AM PROUD TO PRESENT ASSEMBLY
BILL 11 67. THE ORPHAN WELL
PREVENTION ACT, WHICH WOULD
PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES FROM
ORPHANED OIL WELLS AND PROTECT
TAXPAYERS FROM BEING FROM BEING
LEFT TO FOOT. THE BILL. WHEN
THESE OIL OIL WELLS ARE ORPHANED
, ORPHANED ALL WELLS OR WELLS
WITH A WITHOUT A RESPONSIBLE
OPERATOR AVAILABLE TO COMPLETE
THE PLUGGING AND ABANDONMENT AND
SITE RESTORATION. THESE WELLS
POSE A SERIOUS THREAT TO PUBLIC
HEALTH. SAFETY AND OUR
ENVIRONMENT. THEY CAN LEAK OIL,
GAS AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS INTO
THE AIR, WATER AND SOIL. MY
DISTRICT IS ONE OF THE MOST
DENSELY POPULATED IN THE STATE,
AND IT HAS MANY OIL WELLS AS
MANY I'D IMAGINE AS MANY OTHER
COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. CURRENTLY THE STATE
HAS ABOUT 70,000 ACTIVE WELLS
AND 35,000 IDLE WELLS IN TOTAL,
ACCORDING TO THE CALIFORNIA
COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY OVER 5000 WELLS ARE
VERY LIKELY ORPHANED. CAL JAMMED
ESTIMATES THAT THERE ARE ANOTHER
18,000 MORE THAT HAVE YET TO BE
DOCUMENTED AND 40,000 LIKELY TO
BECOME ORPHANED IN THE NEXT FEW
YEARS. WELLS ARE OR FRIEND WHEN
THEY ARE PASSED DOWN FROM BIGGER
COMPANIES TO SMALLER ONES NEAR
THE END OF THEIR OPERATING
LIVES. THOSE SMALLER COMPANIES
HAVE OFTEN FILE BANKRUPTCY OR
JUST DISSOLVED AFTER ADDRESSING
SITE BEFORE ADDRESSING SITE
REMEDIATION. CURRENTLY
CALIFORNIA IS NOT COLLECTING
NEARLY ENOUGH BOND FUNDING TO
COVER THE ACTUAL COST OF
PLUGGING AND ABANDONMENT. THE
ABILITY OF BLANKET BONDING MEANS
THAT THERE IS MANY CASES WITH
ONLY A FEW $100 OF FINANCIAL
ASSURANCE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH
EACH WELL WHEN, IN REALITY, THE
ACTUAL COST TO PLUG AN ABANDONED
WELL CAN BE OVER $100,000 AND
SOMETIMES OVER A MILLION 11 67
WILL RAISE THE RATES. FOR BONDS
COLLECTED FROM THE PURCHASER AND
THE SALE TO THE MOMENT TO THE
FULL AMOUNT THAT IS THAT IT
WOULD COST TO PROBABLY PROPERLY
SEAL THE WELL STEMMING. THE TIDE
OF WELLS WE KNOW ARE NEARING THE
END OF THEIR LIFE FROM BECOMING
THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE STATE
WOULD LIKE TO JUST SIMPLY POINT
OUT THAT MY DISTRICT HAS THE
COMMUNITIES OF ECHO PARK AND
SILVERLAKE AMONGST MANY OTHERS
WHOM AT SOME POINT IN THE
HISTORY OF THE CITY OF LOS
ANGELES, HAD THOUSANDS OF OIL
WELLS UP INTO THE EARLY 19.
HUNDREDS THOSE HAVE ARE NO
LONGER THERE. BUT IF YOU GO TO
THE CALCIUM WEBSITE, A LARGE
MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE ORPHANED
AND THEY'RE STILL OPEN. AND
THERE'S STILL A MEETING GAS TO
OUR COMMUNITIES, WHICH IS WHY WE
OFTEN HAVE A CORRELATION RELATED
TO PUBLIC HEALTH. YOU GO TO ECHO
PARK. NOW IT'S A BEAUTIFUL
COMMUNITY WITHIN THE CITY OF LOS
ANGELES, BUT IT STILL NEEDS A
LOT OF SUPPORT. AND SO WE NEED
TO FIGURE OUT THIS. UM THE
SITUATION WITHOUT I RESPECTFULLY
REQUESTED MY VOTE AND INTRODUCE
OUR KEY ONE WITNESSES TO
TESTIFY. AND ALEXANDER, WHO'S A
SENIOR ATTORNEY WITH THE NATURAL
RESOURCE DEFENSE COUNCIL, AND
STEPHEN KING, NOT THE AUTHOR,
CLEAN ENERGY ADVOCATE WITH
ENVIRONMENT, CALIFORNIA. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MISS CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. I'M STEPHEN KING, CLEAN
ENERGY ADVOCATE WITH ENVIRONMENT
, CALIFORNIA AND WE'RE PLEASED
TO JOIN NRDC S SPONSORS OF THIS
IMPORTANT BILL FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CARILLO. A B 11
67 ADDRESSES AN INCREASINGLY
URGENT PROBLEM FOR THE STATE AND
ITS TAXPAYERS, AS WELL AS THE
COUNTLESS COMMUNITIES AT RISK
FROM IDLE AND ORPHAN OIL WELLS.
THE COST OF OIL EXTRACTION ARE
HIGH FROM LOCAL AIR AND WATER
POLLUTION TO SERIOUS HEALTH
PROBLEMS TO GLOBAL WARMING,
POLLUTION AND MORE. BUT A
GROWING PROBLEM IN CALIFORNIA IS
THE IS THE NUMBER OF OIL AND GAS
WELLS AT RISK OF BECOMING
ORPHANED. UM DUE TO AN EXTREME
SHORTFALL IN AVAILABLE BOND
FUNDS TO CLEAN UP THESE WELLS
WHEN THEY'RE DONE BEING USED.
ORPHAN WELLS CAN CONTAMINATE
LAND, SURFACE WATER AND
GROUNDWATER, SICKENING
COMMUNITIES AND REPRESENTING A
HUGE LIABILITY TO THE STATE.
WHILE THE AVERAGE COST TO PLUG
AND ABANDON THE WELL IS AROUND
$68,000 THE AVERAGE AVAILABLE
BOND PER WELL IS AROUND $1000.
THIS SHORTFALL OF AVAILABLE
BONDS IS A VERY REAL FINANCIAL
RISK FOR THE STATE. AS
CALIFORNIA'S OILFIELDS, AGE AND
DECLINE, WELLS ARE INCREASINGLY
BEING SOLD OFF, OFTEN TO
OPERATORS IN LESS OF A FINANCIAL
POSITION TO PLUG IN ABANDONED
THEM. CALIFORNIA ALREADY LIVED
THROUGH THE RESULTS OF THIS
SCENARIO WITH THE 2016
BANKRUPTCY OF THE RINCON ISLAND
WELLS, WHICH STUCK TAXPAYERS
WITH THE BILL FOR OVER $27
MILLION OTHER. THE LEGISLATURE
SUBSEQUENTLY PASSED A BILL
REQUIRING BONDING FOR THE FULL
COSTS OF PLUGGING AND
ABANDONMENT FOR OFFSHORE WELLS
LIKE RINCON ISLAND. UM, THE
THREAT STILL EXISTS FOR ONSHORE
WELLS. JUST LAST FALL ERA ENERGY
AND EXXON MOBIL PARTNERSHIP SOLD
OFF 23,000 IDOL OR 23,000 WELLS
TO AN ASSET MANAGEMENT GROUP.
MANY OF THESE WELLS ARE IDLE. UM
A B 11 67 WOULD ADDRESS THIS
RISK HEAD ON BY REQUIRING
BONDING FOR THE FULL COST OF
PLUGGING AND ABANDONMENT UPON
TRANSFER. TO ENSURE THAT THE
PUBLIC IS NOT STUCK FOOTING THE
BILL OR SUFFERING THE HEALTH
CONSEQUENCES OF LIVING NEAR IDLE
COURT. ORPHAN OIL WELLS, WE
RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR EYE BOAT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. I'M AN ALEXANDER, A
SENIOR ATTORNEY WITH THE NATURAL
RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL HERE
AS A SPONSOR OF A B 11 67. THE
ORPHAN WILL PREVENTION ACT WOULD
PUT THE BRAKES ON THIS GROWING
CRISIS IN CALIFORNIA. THERE
YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT TODAY OF
IDLE WELLS, JOINING THE GROWING
RANKS OF ORPHAN WELLS WHEN
THEY'RE SOLD TO NEW OWNERS WHO
LACK THE RESOURCES TO PLUG AND
ABANDON THEM, AS IS REQUIRED.
PLUGGING AND ABANDONING THE
ORPHAN WELLS THAT EXIST NOW THAT
WE KNOW ABOUT TODAY IS ESTIMATED
TO COST TAXPAYERS ABOUT HALF A
BILLION DOLLARS. THOSE ARE THE
ONES WE KNOW ABOUT. THE LEAD
THIS LEGISLATURE AS WELL AS THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, TOOK THE
IMPORTANT STEP LAST YEAR OF
ALLOCATING FUNDS TO START PAYING
FOR THIS PROCESS OF PLUGGING AND
ABANDONMENT, BUT IT'S ESSENTIAL
THAT WE NOT ALLOW THE ORPHAN
WELL PROBLEM TO GROW ANY WORSE,
UH, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE YET MORE
OUTLAYS OF MONEY, WHICH IS A
VERY REAL RISK RIGHT NOW. THE
RISK EXISTS, AS HAS BEEN
EXPLAINED TODAY DUE TO THE TWIN
PROBLEMS OF WELLS BEING SOLD TO
LESS SOLVENT OPERATORS AND THE
OTHER PROBLEM IS THE WOEFULLY
INADEQUATE BONDS THAT CURRENT
LAW REQUIRES TO ENSURE THAT
PLUGGING AND ABANDONMENT OCCURS
, UM AT THE END OF THE LIFE OF
WELL IF THE OPERATOR GROWS
BANKRUPT, SO TWO PROBLEMS
CONTRIBUTING TO THIS A B 11 67
ADDRESSES THESE PROBLEMS BY
ENSURING THAT WHENEVER A WELL IS
TRANSFERRED, THE TRANCE FREE IS
REQUIRED TO POST A BOND FOR THE
FULL COST OF PLUGGING AND
ABANDONMENT. ALREADY A LEGAL
REQUIREMENT THEY WOULD JUST NEED
TO POST A BOND TO ENSURE THAT
THAT IS DONE. AND THIS IS NEEDED
TO SUPPLEMENT THE OFTEN TRIFLING
BOND FUNDING THAT IS CURRENTLY
AVAILABLE. CALIFORNIA IS IN A
VERY DEEP HOLE RIGHT NOW, WITH
ORPHAN WELL LIABILITY. BUT A B
11 67 WOULD ENSURE THAT WE
FOLLOW THE FIRST RULE OF HOLES,
WHICH IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN
ONE, YOU NEED TO STOP DIGGING.
WE RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
IN THE ROOM? RUTH MCDONALD, 3,
50 SACRAMENTO AND SUPPORT.
CHRISTINA'S CURRENT WITH THE
CENTER FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY
AND STRONG SUPPORT. MEGAN SHOVE
AWAY FROM SAC ACT AND STRONG
SUPPORT. CYNTHIA SHALLOT WITH
INDIVIDUAL CALIFORNIA STATE
STRONG, REPRESENTING 82 CHAPTERS
ACROSS THE STATE. THANK YOU
SUPPORT. HELLO LAURA GUIXIAN.
I'M WITH ENVIRONMENT, CALIFORNIA
BUT I'M UP HERE TODAY TO SAY
THAT ALSO CALIPER, THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC INTEREST
RESEARCH GROUP IS IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. HELLO
FATTY. MY PALS A PAIR FROM
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
IN SUPPORT. SECURE CARTER ON
BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB,
CALIFORNIA AND STRONG SUPPORT.
NEXT UP. WILL MOVE ON TO
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
HELLO, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
PAUL DEAR OH, REPRESENTING THE
WESTERN STATES PETROLEUM
ASSOCIATION. WE'VE. GONE A LONG
JOURNEY SINCE THE PUBLICATION OF
THE CCS T STUDY BACK IN 2018. WE
HAVE ADOPTED NUMEROUS BILLS ON
BONDING FOR WELLS, BOTH BLANKET
BONDING AND INDIVIDUAL WELLS. WE
WORK CLOSELY WITH SENATOR
LEMANN. IN THAT RESPECT, UH AND
WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO. WE
BELIEVE THIS BILL IS DUPLICATIVE
OF EXISTING STATUTORY PROVISION
THAT PREVENTS LIABILITY FALLING
TO THE STATE. WE BELIEVE THAT
THE BILL WILL PLACE AN
IMPEDIMENT TO THE SALE OF OIL
AND GAS WELLS TO OPERATORS WHO
ARE WILLING AND CAPABLE OF
POSTING BLANKET BONDS. AND AS
CURRENTLY ALLOWED. WE WERE
LOOKING AT THE BILL IN A
DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WHERE YOU
WOULD HAVE A MAJOR PROVIDER THAT
WANTS GROWTH IN CALIFORNIA TO
BUY OFF OF A SMALLER PROVIDER,
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. UH
CURRENT PUBLIC RESOURCES CODE
SECTIONS. 32 OH, FOUR AND 32.
OH, FIVE ESTABLISHES
REQUIREMENTS BONDING, INDIVIDUAL
WELLS AND BLANKET BONDS COVERING
SEVERAL WELLS PUBLIC RESOURCES
CODE SECTION 32 5.3 ALREADY OFF
THE RISES, THE STATE OIL AND GAS
SUPERVISOR TO MANDATE ADDITIONAL
BONDING. UH FOR ANY OPERATOR OF
HIS ENTIRE INVENTORY OF WELLS IF
THE SUPERVISOR OF THE OIL AND
NATURAL GAS AT CAL JIM BELIEVES
THAT THE EXISTING BONDING AMOUNT
IS INSUFFICIENT. AND I'LL REPEAT
THAT THE EXISTING OIL AND GAS
SUPERVISOR ALREADY HAS THE
ABILITY TO GO BEYOND THE A
BONDING AMOUNT OF WHICH HAS BEEN
POSTED BY AN OIL AND GAS
OPERATOR. TO GO BEYOND THAT
AMOUNT, IF IT DETERMINES THAT
THOSE BONDS ARE INSUFFICIENT 30
SECONDS WE ALSO HAVE BEEN
PARTNERS IN THE BUDGET PROCESS
ON ORPHAN WELL FUND, WHICH IS
GONE FROM THREE MILLION TO FIVE
MILLION, PLUS A SEVEN AND $7.5
MILLION. AND THEN IN THE NEXT
TWO FISCAL YEARS PAID BY
OPERATORS. AGAIN WE BELIEVE THIS
IS DUPLICATIVE OF EXISTING
PROTECTIONS, AND IT WILL
EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM AND IT
MAY INTEND TO SOLVE WE'RE
LOOKING AT IT FROM A LARGER OIL.
UH, OPERATOR. BUYING A SMALLER
OIL AND OPERATOR. FOR THOSE
REASONS. WE OPPOSE THE BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION IN THE ROOM. OKAY SEE
YOU. NONE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS. CAN WE
HAVE EMOTION? SECOND? WE HAVE A
MOTION BY SIMILAR MEMBER AT A
SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? UM RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED
I VOTE, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS PASSED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS I
FLORA. FLORA NOTE. ADDIS ADDIS,
I. FRIEDMAN HOOVER. HOOVER NO.
MATHIS IS NO MERIT. SUKI SUKI, I
PELLERIN HILLARY AND I, WARD
WARD. I WOULD WOULD ICEBERG.
THAT BILL HAS SIX VOTES WILL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. THANK YOU. NEXT STEP.
WE HAVE ITEM ONE MY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOLDEN.
MR HOLDEN WENT READY WHENEVER
YOU ARE. OKAY? THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBER MADAM CHAIR.
YOU'RE YOU'RE STILL HERE. OKAY
THAT YOU'RE LEAVING? I DIDN'T
HAVE TO GO DOWN AND VOTE. GO
AHEAD. YEAH. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS FIRST. I'D LIKE TO STATE
THAT I ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE'S
RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS, AND I
THINK THE CHAIR AND OUR STAFF
AND CONSULTANT FOR WORKING WITH
MY STAFF TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE
CHAIRS, CONCERNS WHILE KEEPING
THE SPIRIT OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH INTACT. WHICH IS A C
CALIFORNIA MEET ITS AFFORDABLE
HOUSING DEMANDS. BUT NOT AT THE
EXPENSE OF OUR CLIMATE GOALS.
THEREFORE TODAY I'M PRESENTING A
B 43 A BILL THAT WOULD REQUIRE
CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD
TO ESTABLISH AN EMBODIED CARBON
TRADING SYSTEM HAS DEFINED AND
WOULD MAKE IT APPLICABLE TO
BUILDING MATERIALS. PROVIDERS
DEVELOPERS, ARCHITECTURAL AND
ENGINEERING FIRMS AND
CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES. LAST
YEAR, THE COMMITTEE SUPPORTED MY
BILL A B 24 46, WHICH REQUIRES
CARB TO DEVELOP A FRAMEWORK FOR
MEASURING AND REDUCING
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
ASSOCIATED WITH NEW BUILDING
CONSTRUCTION. A SEGMENT OF THAT
BILL DEALT WITH CARBON
ESTABLISHING A CARBON TRADING
SYSTEM TO ALLOW THE INDUSTRY
TIME TO WRAP UP ITS EFFORTS TO
MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS. WELL
THIS COMMITTEE SUPPORTED THIS
PROVISION IN THE BILL AND SENATE
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. IT WAS
DETERMINED THAT THE CARBON
TRADING SYSTEMS SHOULD ACTUALLY
BE A SEPARATE BILL. DUE TO
INSUFFICIENT TIME TO ANALYZE
THAT PORTION OF THE BILL. MAYBE
24 46 WAS SIGNED BY GOVERNOR
NEWSOM DURING THE INTERIM. LAST
YEAR. MY OFFICE AND SUPPORTERS
BEGAN HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH
CARBON C B I A REGARDING THE
CARBON TRADING SYSTEM. EXCUSE
ME. CARBONS PROVIDING TECHNICAL
ASSISTANCE ON A B 43 TO ENSURE
THAT IT ALIGNS WITH TIMELINES
AND GOALS OF A B 24 46. I ALSO
WANT TO THANK C BY A FOR
CONTINUING TO ENGAGE IN GOOD
FAITH NEGOTIATIONS WITH MY
OFFICE AND OUR SUPPORTERS.
FINALLY LATE LAST WEEK, I WAS
MADE AWARE OF CONCERNS THAT SOME
CONSTRUCTION GROUPS MAY HAVE
WITH THIS BILL. I COMMIT TO
MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE THAT I
WILL WORK WITH THEM TO ADDRESS
THEIR CONCERNS SHOULD THIS BILL
MOVE FORWARD? MAYBE 43 WOULD
INCLUDE A CREDIT TRADING SYSTEM
TO ALLOW FOR MORE EFFICIENT
COMPLIANCE WITH A B 24 46. THE
SYSTEM CALLED AN EMBODIED CARBON
TRADING SYSTEM WILL AWARD CREDIT
FOR ENTITIES THAT GO ABOVE AND
BEYOND THE REQUIREMENTS OF A B
24 46 REQUIRE THE STATE BOARD TO
ADOPT RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR
CREDIT ALLOCATION METHOD. THE
BILL FURTHER DETAILS HOW CREDITS
MAY BE UTILIZED TO ACHIEVE THE
GOALS OF A B 24 46 IN THE STATES
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
TARGETS. THIS BILL WOULD ALSO
REQUIRE THE STATE BOARD TO
PERIODICALLY REVIEW AND UPDATE
ITS EMISSION REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS AS NECESSARY. WITH
ME TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT. MARY
SELECTEE PARTNER, G. W INC. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MARY. SO LUCKY WITH A
J W I WORKED WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOLDIN ON THIS
BILL'S PRECURSOR, A B 24 46 FROM
LAST YEAR. WE ARE NOW CO
SPONSORING A B 43 BECAUSE WE
WANT TO IMPROVE THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF A B 24 46,
WHICH WAS PASSED INTO LAW AND TO
MAKE THAT PROGRAM AS ROBUST AS
POSSIBLE. SO BIG PICTURE WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH
LAST YEAR'S BILL, AND THIS
YEAR'S A B 43 IS TO CREATE A
FIRST IN THE NATION PROGRAM.
WHERE EMBODIED CARBON OF OUR
BUILDINGS IS FIRST MEASURED AND
THEN REDUCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH
OUR CLIMATE GOALS. FOR THOSE IN
FAMILIAR EMBODIED CARBON IS THE
ENERGY AND EMISSIONS IT REQUIRES
TO CREATE A BUILDING THE
MANUFACTURING OF OUR
CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS COMPRISES
UP TO 40% OF THE BUILDINGS.
TOTAL CARBON FOOTPRINT. THERE
ARE NO WAYS TO FIX THIS
RETROACTIVELY. WE CAN ONLY HELP
CREATE BETTER BUILDINGS FROM THE
START. 24 46 TASKS CARVED
CREATIVE PROGRAM THAT WILL
MEASURE AND THEN REDUCE THE
EMBODIED EMISSIONS OF OUR
BUILDINGS, BUT IT LACKED SOME
KEY TOOLS THAT CARVED MIGHT NEED
ALONG THE WAY. THE MOST
IMPORTANT OF THESE IS A CREDIT
TRADING SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE
BILL BEFORE YOU. A CREDIT
TRADING SYSTEM WILL ALLOW
ENTITIES TO HAVE MORE FLEXIBLE
COMPLIANCE RATHER THAN MAKING
EACH DEVELOPMENT PROJECT
PERFECTLY MATCH. THE BENCHMARK
THERE WILL BE ABLE TO TRADE
CREDITS WHERE THERE IS OVER
COMPLIANCE OR UNDER COMPLIANCE.
AND BY HAVING A MEANS OF
MONETIZING CREDITS. THERE WILL
BE AN INCENTIVE TO OVER COMPLY
WHICH, IN THIS CASE MEANS TO
BUILD THE BEST POSSIBLE BUILDING
. I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
THIS BILL IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
WE'RE IN CONVERSATION WITH
STAKEHOLDERS AND APPRECIATE THIS
COMMITTEE'S FEEDBACK AND THE
AMENDMENTS THAT YOU'VE OFFERED.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND
ATTENTION TO THIS BILL. WE LOOK
FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO IMPROVE
IT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
IN THE ROOM. HIGH SECURITY
CARTER ON BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB,
CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. NEXT WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS
SILVIO FERRARI ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA BUILDING INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION. WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT
OPPOSED, BUT WE HAVE RAISED
CONCERNS AND WE RAISED IN THAT
FORM LARGELY OUT OF RESPECT FOR
THE AUTHOR AND THE SPONSORS AND
THE YEARS LONG WORK WE DID ON
2446 LAST YEAR, SO WE ARE
HOPEFUL AND BASED ON
CONVERSATION LAST WEEK THAT WE
CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF
COLLABORATIVE PROCESS AGAIN AND
HOPEFULLY GET THERE, SO THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY NEXT, ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? OKAY WE HAVE
A MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI, SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE? UH YES. THANK YOU
, MADAM CHAIR AGAIN. APPRECIATE
WORKING WITH YOUR COMMITTEE.
THIS IS A BILL THAT'S WORK IN
PROGRESS, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE
REALLY THE FUNDAMENTAL OF WHAT
THIS REPRESENTS IN THE BILL 24
46 LAST YEAR, AND WE LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THOSE
WHO HAVE CONCERNS TO SEE IT.
MOVE FORWARD AND VERY POSITIVE,
PRODUCTIVE WAY SO I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE EMOTION AND SECOND
SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS
RIVAS. I FLORA. NOT VOTING.
ADDIS. ADDIS I. FRIEDMAN.
HOOVER. NOT VOTING. MATHIS.
MATHIS NORBERT SUKI. SUKI I
PELLERIN PILLAR AND I WARD. I
WOULD WOULD ICEBERG. THAT BILL
HAS SIX VOTES. WE'LL LEAVE IT
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK
YOU. NEXT. WE HAVE. OH PAT
PATTERSON, PATTERSON
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PATTERSON.
TRUTH BILL. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. A
B 6 92 ITEM FIVE. LET'S START
WITH THAT ONE. MADAM CHAIR. AND
MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT 6 92 AND
ALSO 704. MY UNDERSTANDING THE
THESE, UH THESE BILLS HAVE A
SUPPORT SUPPORT, WHICH I
APPRECIATE AND THANK THE CHAIR.
FOR MY RIGHT. DID I GET THAT
RIGHT THERE? THERE WAS SOME LATE
OPPOSITION ON 6 92 TODAY. ON A B
6 92. OKAY WELL, THAT'S WHAT I
SO WE'LL DO 6 92 1ST THEN, OKAY?
IN 2018 ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
FRIEDMAN AUTHORED A B 29 11.
REQUIRING THE BOARD OF FORESTRY
AND FIRE PROTECTION TO MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IMPROVE THE
FIRE SAFETY OF EXISTING
SUBDIVISIONS THAT DON'T HAVE A
SECONDARY EXIT ROUTE. LESS THAN
TWO MONTHS AFTER A B 29 11 WAS
SIGNED INTO LAW, THE DEADLY CAMP
FIRE TORE THROUGH THE CITY OF
PARADISE, KILLING 86 PEOPLE
DESTROYING NEARLY 14,000 HOMES.
CAPACITY PROBLEMS
NOTWITHSTANDING, PARA PARADISE
HAD FOUR ROUTES TO GET RESIDENTS
OUT OF TOWN IN THE EVENT OF AN
EMERGENCY, WHILE MANY OTHER
COMMUNITIES ONLY HAVE ONE HAD
THIS BEEN THE CASE IN PARADISE,
WE COULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT
DEATH TOLL WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH
HIGHER. SO THIS BILL BEFORE YOU
A B 692 PROVIDES A SEQUEL
EXEMPTION FOR PROG PROJECTS
RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD OF
FORESTRY. AND FIRE PROTECTION
THAT IMPROVED THE FIRE SAFETY.
OF EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS THAT
ARE LOCATED IN HIGH OR VERY HIGH
FIRE HAZARD ZONES AND WHO DO NOT
HAVE ENOUGH EXIT ROUTES TO GET
RESIDENTS OUT SAFELY. A PREVIOUS
VERSION OF THIS BILL WAS PASSED
BY THE LEGISLATURE BUT WAS
VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR. HOWEVER
THIS BILL IS IMPORTANT. NOW IT
SEEMS TO US NOW MORE THAN EVER,
IN LIGHT OF THE INCREASING
NUMBER AND SEVERITY OF FIRES
THAT SWEEP ACROSS THE STATE EACH
YEAR CREEK FIRE DIXIE FIRE THE
CALENDAR FIRE BEING A FEW THE
BOARD HAS NOW RELEASED
SUBDIVISION REVIEWS, MAKING IT
THE PERFECT TIME TO IMPLEMENT
THIS POLICY AND PROTECT THESE
COMMUNITIES BEFORE IT'S TOO
LATE. A B 692 IS NEEDED SO THAT
THESE PROJECTS THOSE THAT ARE IN
HIGH AND VERY HIGH SEVERITY
ZONES CAN BE COMPLETED WITH THE
URGENCY IDENTIFIED BY THE BOARD
OF FORESTRY HERE TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORTERS, JOHN KENNEDY WITH
THE RURAL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES
OF CALIFORNIA. GOOD AFTERNOON,
JOHN KENNEDY WITH RC RC
REPRESENTING 40, RURAL COUNTIES
, COUNTIES HEAVILY IMPACTED BY
WILDFIRES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS, MANY OF THESE
SUBDIVISIONS THAT COULD ENJOY
THIS BILL WERE BUILT VERY LONG
AGO WITH JUST A SINGLE ROAD FOR
ENTERING AND LEAVING. THIS BILL
SEEKS TO ADDRESS THE RISKS OF
ROAD CLOSURE AND OF CONGESTION
DURING AN EMERGENCY LIKE
EXPERIENCED IN PARADISE DURING
THE CAMPFIRE. BY EXPEDITING THE
CREATION OF A SECONDARY ROUTE
AND AVOIDING DELAYS ASSOCIATED
WITH ZIKA AND WITH POTENTIAL FOR
LITIGATION. RECENT WILDFIRES
HAVE BEEN FAIRLY HORRIFIC IN
TERMS OF ACREAGE, NUMBER OF
LIVES LOST, UM AND TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF CALIFORNIANS
DISPLACED. UM SIMPLY SPEAKING,
THIS BILL WILL HELP THESE
PROJECTS GET BUILT FASTER AND
REDUCE COSTS. THE BILL FILLS AN
IMPORTANT GAP BECAUSE MANY OF
THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS WON'T BE
ELIGIBLE FOR EXISTING SECRET
EXEMPTIONS. AND IT'S ALSO
DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF THE
PROJECTS DON'T QUALIFY FOR AN
EXEMPTION. IF THERE'S A WETLAND
AND RIPARIAN AREA IF THEY'RE
SENSITIVE, PROTECTED SPECIES, UM
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT IN THE PROCESS. UH
AND FINALLY ALL OTHER
ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS WILL STILL
APPLY. IT'S JUST A SEQUEL
EXEMPTION. SO FOR THESE REASONS,
WE STRONGLY CONTINUE TO SUPPORT
THIS BILL AND URGE YOUR EYE BOAT
TODAY. THANK YOU ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR CHRIS
MAKELELE ON BEHALF OF BEHALF OF
HUMBOLDT, MENDOCINO REDWOOD
COMPANIES AND SUPPORT GOOD
AFTERNOON MEMBERS AND SHARE
MADERA COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS AND SUPPORT AND AS
NIKKI AND THE ANALYSIS, THE
CHAIRMAN OF FRESNO BOARD IS ALSO
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, AMY ROAR VALLEY
CONTRACTORS EXCHANGE SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. HIGH
SECURITY CARTER ON BEHALF OF
SIERRA CLUB, CALIFORNIA
DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE ENDANGERED
HABITAT LEAGUE IN CALIFORNIA
NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY AND
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS THANK
YOU. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR
PATTERSON FOR BRINGING US
FORWARD, I THINK THIS GOT
STARTED WITH LOOKING AT THE
WILDFIRES AND COLLEAGUES. MANY
YOU MAY KNOW THAT I WAS ABSENT
FROM OUR BODY. UP HERE IN
SACRAMENTO ALL OF LAST WEEK
BECAUSE I WAS ON THE GROUND IN
MY DISTRICT DUE TO FLOODING. AND
DUE TO THE LACK OF EGRESS ROUTES
. SOME OF THAT TIME WAS SPENT.
WORKING WITH O E S TO GET
HELICOPTERS IN TO COMMUNITIES
THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY CUT
OFF. TO GET FOLKS MEDEVACKED
OUT. FOR THE OPPOSITION. LET ME
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN IN WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING
WITH THE FLOODS. THE SINGLE
ROADS IN AND OUT GET COMPLETELY
WASHED OUT. COMPLETELY CUTTING
COMMUNITIES OFF. AND. WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN THESE THINGS TAKE
PLACE. THE ROADS THAT ARE PUT IN
THERE'S ZERO REGARD FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT AT THAT POINT DURING
AN EMERGENCY LIKE A FLOOD. RIP
ROCK, WHICH IS BASICALLY TORE UP
CONCRETE ASPHALT. WHATEVER THAT
YOU CAN PUT INTO THE RIVER. TO
BUILD A STABLE BASE TO THEN
CREATE A ROAD AND GETS PUT IN MR
PATTERSON'S BILL ACTUALLY LOOKS
LOOKS AT A LITTLE BIT OF THE
ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS LOOKS AT
THE FACTORS OF WHAT'S GOING ON
AND MAKE SURE THAT COMMUNITIES
HAVE A PLAN. OF WHAT TO DO THAT
WAY WE CAN BUILD AND PLAN FOR
THESE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO
HAPPEN, WHETHER IT'S A FIRE OR A
FLOOD. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT
COMMUNITIES ARE NOT BEING CUT
OFF. THAT THEY HAVE A WAY OUT.
BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE NEED
TO BE DOING IS TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WEDNESDAY EVACUATE PEOPLE
WITH HELICOPTERS. THEY MEMBERS.
I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THIS. TO
REALLY LOOK AT IT. I KNOW WE GET
AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ON
THINGS, BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS
WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. THE
LAST THING ANYBODY'S THINKING
ABOUT IS AN ENVIRONMENT. THE
GOAL IS TO GET IN AND GET FOLKS
TO SAFETY. SO IF YOU REALLY CARE
ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU'LL
MAKE SURE WE DO EGRESS THE RIGHT
WAY ON THE FRONT END INSTEAD OF
DOING IT DURING AN EMERGENCY
ASPIRIN, I VOTE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
PELLERIN. SO MY DISTRICT HAS
BEEN PROFOUNDLY IMPACTED BY
FIRES. AND FLOODS AND WE HAVE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CUT OFF
FROM ACCESS WAY TO GET OUT IN
CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, SO AS MUCH
AS I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT
PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT, I
THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
TO PROTECT HUMAN LIFE. SO I WILL
BE VOTING ON THIS BILL TODAY.
THANK YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WOULD YEAH, I TOO. WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD,
MR PATTERSON. UM I JUST I DON'T
KNOW. I CAN'T REMEMBER. THE BILL
YOU SAID WAS THE PREVIOUS
VERSION WAS VETOED. AT WHAT
POINT? WAS THAT? WHAT? WHAT YEAR
WAS THAT? DO YOU RECALL?
OBERNOLTE BILL A B 3 94. SO IT'S
BEEN 2019. I GUESS I WOULD JUST
NOTE WE NOW ACTUALLY HAVE NEW.
AH HA! WILDFIRE SEVERITY MAPS
THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY
SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. AND I
KNOW THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY
EXPANDED FROM WHAT WE SAW BEFORE
. SO, UM, I HAPPY TO SUPPORT
YOUR BILL TODAY. I THINK IT
MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI. THANK YOU, MR
PATTERSON. CAN YOU CITE? UH YOU
KNOW EXAMPLES OF HOW SEQUA
PREVENTED ANY EGRESS ROUTE
PROJECTS OR DELAYED YOU WANT TO
ADDRESS IT? SURE SO WHEN LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS WILL BE UNDERTAKING
THESE PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE, UM
THEY COULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH
THE SEQUEL PROCESS. THAT PROCESS
WILL ADD $100,000 OR MORE AND
COST IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY
PREPARING THE ENVIRONMENTAL
DOCUMENTATION. LET ME STOP YOU
THERE. MY QUESTION. IT'S NOT
SPECULATIVE BY MY QUESTION IS DO
YOU HAVE ACTUAL EXAMPLES OF
SEQUA THAT HAVE PREVENTED OR
SLOWED DOWN? THERE IS SO
RESPECTFULLY THERE ARE NUMEROUS
EXAMPLES OUT THERE OF A SECRET
CASES THAT HAVE BEEN USED TO
SLOW DOWN VARIOUS TYPES OF
PROJECTS, SPECIFICALLY, THICKLY
EGRESS. ROUTE PROJECTS. OKAY BUT
WE COULD EASILY SEE THOSE TYPES
OF LAWSUITS BEING FILED AGAINST
THESE PROJECTS AS WELL. OKAY SO
YOUR ANSWER IS NO CORRECT. THANK
YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
REMEMBER ADDIS? A BRIEF
QUESTION. CERTAIN NUMBER OF
COUNTIES CAME OUT. A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF COUNTIES CAME ON IN
SUPPORT, AND I WAS JUST
WONDERING IF ALL COUNTIES ACROSS
THE STATE THAT HAVE BEEN
AFFECTED BY WILDFIRES AND NOW
FLOODS AS MANY OF OUR DISTRICTS
HAVE IF ALL COUNTIES WERE ASKED
TO SUPPORT OR JUST SELECT
COUNTIES KIND OF HOW THAT CAME
ABOUT I CAN TAKE THAT. SO THE
RURAL R C. R C. WE HAVE
SPONSORED THIS BILL AND PREVIOUS
ITERATIONS. SEVERAL OF OUR
COUNTIES ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH
IT AND ARE VERY ENGAGED IN THE
PROCESS TO WRITE LETTERS. OTHERS
ARE CONSIDERING IT AND IT TAKES
LONGER FOR THEM TO GET LETTERS
OUT. I THINK THERE IS A CERTAIN
LEVEL OF EXCITEMENT AND INTEREST
IN THIS PROPOSAL. I WOULD
ANTICIPATE MORE LETTERS COMING
FROM VARIOUS COMPANIES. WE WOULD
WELCOME ANY SUPPORT FROM OUR
MEMBER COUNTIES. CERTAINLY THANK
YOU. UH OH. YEAH I AM SUPPORTING
THE BILL. UM THIS YEAR. I KNOW
IT, UH, SOMETHING MORE. PATERSON
HAS BROUGHT THIS BILL TO THIS
COMMITTEE IN THE PAST, AS WELL
AS FORMER ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
OBERNOLTE. BUT DO I HAVE
EMOTION? I DON'T KNOW. OKAY?
OKAY SO I HAVE A MOTION.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS, SECOND
BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER PELLERIN.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? SURE
APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND THE
CONSIDERATION HERE. I THINK WHAT
HAS CHANGED OVER TIME IS AS WAS
MENTIONED. UH WE HAVE A MUCH
BETTER IDEA OF THE HIGH FIRE
AREAS. THIS IS LIMITED TO THOSE
HIGH AND VERY HI. UH FIRE AREAS
. WE ALSO HAVE FORESTRY BOARDS
AND OTHERS WHO HAVE TAKEN A LOOK
AT THIS AND HAVE BASICALLY MADE
UH, THE VALUE JUDGMENT THAT
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE
AREAS AND THOSE AREAS THAT ARE
NOW IN THOSE RISK AREAS HAVE
EXPANDED AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT
UH, THIS IS A PRUDENT APPROACH.
UH THAT WE THINK WILL GO A LONG
WAY AS MEMBER. MATHIS SUGGESTED
THAT WE PLAN AHEAD AND THAT
THESE COUNTIES PARTICIPATE. UH
AND I THINK THAT THE END PRODUCT
OF ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO BE
MUCH BETTER PLANNING AND MUCH
SAFER. UH CIRCUMSTANCE FOR
PEOPLE IN THESE DIFFICULT TIMES,
SO I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION
IN THE SECOND, PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS I
FLORA FLORA RIOTOUS. AT THIS I
FRIEDMAN HOOVER. HOOVER I MATHIS
EMERGED. SUKI SUKI, I PELLERIN.
PAELLA AND I WARD I WOULD WOULD
ICEBERG. THAT BILL HAS EIGHT
VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. THE NEXT ITEM,
SIX, ALSO BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S,
PATTERSON A B 704. UH AND AGAIN
THANK YOU MEMBERS. UH AND MADAM
CHAIR. I WILL BE ACCEPTING THE
AMENDMENTS THAT THE COMMITTEE
HAS PROPOSED. IN THE 2019 81 78
WAS SIGNED INTO LAW. THE BILL
PROVIDED AN EXEMPTION TO THE
CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION
RULING THAT REQUIRED ALL NEWLY
CONSTRUCTED HOMES IN THE STATE
TO HAVE SOLAR PANELS BEGINNING
IN 2020. THE EXEMPTION WAS ONLY
FOR VICTIMS WHOSE HOMES WERE
DESTROYED IN A NATURAL DISASTER
THAT OCCURRED DURING A GOVERNOR
DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY. A B
704 WOULD EXTEND THAT NARROW
PROVISION OF A B 1 78 TO NATURAL
DISASTERS THAT OCCURRED IN 2020
THROUGH 2027 TO ENSURE THAT
VICTIMS WHO ARE BEING FORCED TO
REBUILD THROUGH NO FAULT OF
THEIR OWN, ARE TREATED FAIRLY
UNDER THE LAW. 2020 22. I HAVE
SEEN SOME OF THE MOST
DEVASTATING WILDFIRE SEASONS
WE'VE SEEN IN IN HISTORY. OVER
SEVEN MILLION ACRES BURNED THE
FINANCIAL BURDEN OF THE PANDEMIC
ADDED TO THE BURDENS OF THE
VICTIMS, ALSO DURING THE SAME
PERIOD OF TIME NEEDS TO BE
CONSIDERED. TO IMPLY THAT THESE
VICTIMS SHOULD HAVE TO INSTALL
SOLAR PANELS SINCE THEY ARE
BUILDING NEW CONSTRUCTION IS
KIND OF NOT RECOGNIZING THEIR
PARTICULAR AND SPECIFIC SET OF
CIRCUMSTANCES. IF THEIR HOMES
WERE STILL STANDING, THEY WOULD
NOT BE FACING THAT KIND OF A
DECISION GIVEN THE AVERAGE COST
OF SOLAR PANELS AFTER GRANTS
THAT TOTAL SOMETHING LIKE
$20,000, ALONG WITH THE CHANGES
TO NET ENERGY METERING AND THE
FACT THAT MANY OF THESE VICTIMS
ALREADY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH
INSURANCE TO COVER THE COST OF
REBUILDING AS IT IS SO A B 704
IS INAPPROPRIATE AND LIMITED
MEASURE TO HELP EASE THE BURDEN
OF REBUILDING ONE'S LIFE, AFTER
ALL, WAS DESTROYED BY WILDFIRE
HERE TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF A
B 74 IS AMY ROAR, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE VALLEY
CONTRACTORS EXCHANGE, INVALID
CONTRACTORS WORKFORCE
FOUNDATION. SHE IS ALSO A BOARD
MEMBER OF THE CAMPFIRE
COLLABORATIVE GROUP CO CHAIR OF
THE CAMPFIRE COLLABORATIVE
HOUSING COMMITTEE, LICENSED
GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND A CAMP
FIRE SURVIVOR. GOOD AFTERNOON,
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. I BET YOU DIDN'T SEE
THAT LICENSED GENERAL
CONTRACTOR. THANK UM AND DID
YOU? UM AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED
THAT THE CAMP FIRE HAPPENED IN
NOVEMBER? 2018 IT ACTUALLY
KILLED 85 PEOPLE AND DESTROYED
14,383 HOMES AND 619 BUSINESSES
. WE ARE COMING UP ON THE 4.5
YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE
CAMPFIRE, AND TO DATE WE HAVE
ONLY RECEIVED CERTIFICATES OF
OCCUPANCY FOR 18% OF THOSE
HOMES. THAT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE
HAVE RETURNED HOME AFTER THE
FIRE, SO IT'S BEEN A CRAZY, SLOW
RECOVERY, AND IT'S BENEATH IS
ACTUALLY GROWING 4.5 YEARS
LATER, DISASTER CASE MANAGERS
CURRENTLY HAVE 218 OPEN CASES
SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
THEY'VE OPENED 73 NEW CASES THAT
SEVEN PER WEEK AGAIN 4.5 YEARS
LATER, STILL GETTING NEW CASES
AND THIS IS THE MOST VULNERABLE
POPULATION THAT CAN'T AFFORD
MARKET RATE CONSTRUCTION, LET
ALONE THE SOLAR PANELS THAT ARE
NOW REQUIRED TO GO ON THEM.
WE'VE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE
THE EXEMPTION, WHICH EXPIRED IN
JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, AND SINCE
THEN WE'VE HAD JUST EVEN MORE
COMPLICATED CASES COMING
FORWARD. FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE GOT
AN ELDERLY WOMAN THAT CAN AFFORD
TO BUILD 100 WITH $150,000. IT'S
GOING TO BE 750 SQUARE FOOT HOME
. UM AND $150,000. I DON'T KNOW
IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO BUILD IN
CALIFORNIA, BUT THAT'S NEXT TO
IMPOSSIBLE. WE RELY ON THE
DISASTER, THE VOLUNTEER BUILD
ORGANIZATIONS TO COME IN AND
HELP OUT WITH THOSE BUILDS.
THEY'RE LEAVING THE AREA AND SO
TO THEN PUT ON ANOTHER 20 TO
$25,000. ON TOP OF THAT PRICE
TAG IS JUST SIMPLY PRICING THESE
FAMILIES OUT OF THE MARKET OF
BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TO REBUILD.
UM AND AS ASSEMBLYMAN PATERSON
ALREADY SAID, YOU KNOW, THESE
PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD A
HOME. THIS IS JUST ADDING INSULT
TO INJURY. UM YOU KNOW, THIS
ISN'T NEW CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS
REPLACING THE HOUSING STOCK THAT
WAS LOST. UM FURTHERMORE, I WAS
LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE IN A MEETING
LAST WEEK WITH THE SLB REGISTRAR
. HE POINTED OUT THAT THEY USED
TO GET 80 COMPLAINTS FOR SOLAR
INSTALLERS PER YEAR IN 2023 THAT
JUMPED TO 200 A MONTH. SO FROM
80 A MONTH TO 200 A MONTH AND I
THINK A LARGE PART OF THAT IS
DUE TO THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE WE
FACE IN CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS
LIKE OVER WORKFORCE. WE DON'T
HAVE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ACROSS
THE BOARD AND SOLAR INSTALLERS
ARE NO EXCEPTION TO THAT. SO FOR
THESE REASONS, I WISH YOU WOULD
VOTE AYE ON THIS MEASURE. RIGHT
JOHN KENNEDY WITH OUR CRC AGAIN,
SO WE'RE SUPPORTING THIS BILL
AGAIN, AS WAS MENTIONED, SENATOR
DALLIES EXEMPTION EXPIRED
JANUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, BUT
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF HOMES OUT
THERE THAT NEED TO BE REBUILT AS
THE, UM THE VICTIMS ARE SLOWLY
PAID FROM THE TRUST FUND, SO
THIS BILL WILL HELP PEOPLE PUT
THEIR LIVES BACK IN ORDER. THE
COMMITTEE AND AMENDMENTS, UM
NARROW THE SCOPE OF WHO CAN
BENEFIT FROM THE BILL. BUT THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS WILL ALSO
ENSURE THAT THOSE WHO ARE IN
GREATEST NEED OF THIS
ASSISTANCE. ARE ABLE TO GET IT.
CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU MAY HEAR,
AND MAY HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST
SOLAR PANELS. DON'T ADD ANY
EXTRA RESILIENCY BENEFITS. MANY
OF OUR COUNTIES AND
JURISDICTIONS HAVE GONE WITHOUT
POWER REPEATEDLY, AND IT WAS A
QUITE A SHOCK WHEN RESIDENTS
FOUND OUT THEIR SOLAR PANELS
AREN'T GOING TO KEEP THEM
ENERGIZED DURING THE PS PS EVENT
DURING ANY OTHER TYPE OF OUT
OUTAGE UNLESS THEY HAVE
BATTERIES AS WELL, AND THE
PROBLEM WITH THAT IS BATTERIES
ALSO ADD SEVERAL TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MORE TO THE
COST OF REBUILDING. UM SO WE
THINK THIS BILL IS NARROW IN
SCOPE, BUT IT'S DESPERATELY
NEEDED IN MANY OF THESE
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING
TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES. SO THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU AND
NEXT, ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. WHATEVER. IS HE
SWIMMING ON BEHALF OF MERCED
COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND
SUPPORT AND SUPERVISOR MASON
FROM POZNAN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NEXT WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
KIM STONE ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA SOLAR AND STORAGE
ASSOCIATION, WITH SINCERE
APOLOGIES FOR OUR LATE
OPPOSITION, APOLOGIZED TO THE
COMMITTEE AND THE MEMBERS AND
THE AUTHOR AND SPONSORS. UH I
WANNA I THINK GAVIN NEWSOM SAID
IT BEST WHEN HE VETOED LAST
YEAR'S VERSION OF THIS BILL, SO
I'M JUST GOING TO READ A COUPLE
OF SENTENCES FROM THAT. THE
SOLAR REQUIREMENT IS AN
INNOVATIVE AND FORWARD LEADING
LEANING POLICY THAT REQUIRES NEW
RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO INSTALL
A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF COST
EFFECTIVE SOLAR PHOTO VOLTAIC
CAPACITY TO REDUCE HOMEOWNER
ENERGY COSTS, IMPROVE ENERGY
RESILIENCY AND REDUCE GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS. EXTENDING THIS
EXEMPTION WOULD NULLIFY THESE
POSITIVE OUTCOMES AND INSTEAD
INCREASE HOMEOWNER ENERGY COSTS
AT A TIME. WHEN MANY HOMEOWNERS
ARE FACING RISING ELECTRIC RATES
AND BILLS. THIS EXEMPTION ALSO
UNDERMINES THE ENERGY RESILIENCY
OF HOMES, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN
HIGH FIRE RISK AREAS AND
INCREASES GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS. WE RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED THE BILL. THANK YOU.
PRISTINA SYRINGE FOR THE CENTER
FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY AND
RESPECTFUL OF OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. NEXT, ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE? ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WOULD. I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR
PATTERSON FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD. UM AS SOMEONE WHO'S
ALSO EXPERIENCED A LOT OF LOSS
FROM FIRES. WE SEE THAT, UH, IN
IN THE CASE OF THE TUBBS FIRE
AND IN MY DISTRICT WINE COUNTRY
UP FIRES UP IN PART OF VALLEY UP
IN MENDOCINO COUNTY. UM MANY
PEOPLE ARE UNDER SHOURD
UNDERINSURED ABOUT 60% OF PEOPLE
ARE UNDERINSURED. UM AND SO,
ADDING THIS ONTO THEY'VE ALREADY
EXPERIENCED A LOSS. NOW WE'RE
GOING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL COST.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT SOME
PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN ABLE TO GET
INSURANCE FOR THESE NEW HOMES AS
AS THEY AS THEY ARE, AS THEY ARE
BUILT. UM SO I WANT TO HIT THE
BILL PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BE
CONSIDERED AS A CO AUTHOR ON
THIS. IT'S NARROW. I THINK IT'S
NECESSARY. UM AND I WILL. I WILL
NOTE THAT IN ONE OF THE COUNTIES
THAT I REPRESENT LITTLE TRINITY
COUNTY ABOUT 14,000 PEOPLE AH,
WE HAVE, UH 100% CARBON FREE
POWER. THE COST IS 6.5 KILOWATTS
, 6.5 CENTS PER KILOWATT,
PROBABLY ARGUABLY THAT SOME OF
THE LOWEST POWER YOU'LL EVER
FIND. AND YET THERE IS STILL A
REQUIREMENT FOR SOLAR PANELS ON
NEW CONSTRUCTION IN AND IN THAT
PARTICULAR COUNTY. SO WE HAVE TO
THAT COUNTY HAS TO FILE EVERY
TWO OR THREE YEARS FOR AN EXEMPT
FOR AN EXEMPTION FROM THAT. IT'S
THE ONLY COUNTY IN THE STATE
LIKE THAT. BUT DURING THE
WILDFIRES AFTER THE WILDFIRES,
AND THERE HAVE BEEN WILDFIRES IN
THAT COUNTY EVERY YEAR AH FOR
THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE
THOSE HOMES, UH, WOULD HAVE BEEN
SUBJECTED. POSSIBLY I HAVE TO
THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE
THE OTHER EXEMPTION, BUT IT
COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY BEEN
SUBJECTED TO THIS AS WELL, EVEN
THOUGH THEY HAVE THAT THAT
CARBON FREE POWER 100% IN THE
COUNTY, SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT
YOUR BILL AND LIKE THE COOPER
THANKS. SOME OF THE MEMBERS
BIRTH. YEAH I APPRECIATE UM THE
WHAT'S BEHIND THE BILL. BUT I,
YOU KNOW, GIVEN OUR CLIMATE
CRISIS. UM I REALLY DO THINK
THAT CALIFORNIA REALLY SHOULD BE
DOUBLING DOWN ON SOLAR, NOT
MOVING AWAY FROM IT. I MEAN, I'M
NOT AWARE OF OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES
WHERE WHEN YOU HAVE A BUILDING
THAT'S BEEN AFFECTED BY A FIRE
OR OTHER THING WHERE YOU DON'T
HAVE TO COMPLY WITH BUILDING
CODES. UM SO I THINK THIS IS
SORT OF UNIQUE AND GIVEN THE
CLIMATE CRISIS. UM I JUST YOU
KNOW, WE CAN'T SUPPORT THE BILL
. I THINK ON TOP OF IT, YOU
KNOW, IN MANY CASES INSURANCE
WILL COVER COSTS WITH CODE
COMPLIANCE, AND THIS THAT
REMOVES AN ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO
ACTUALLY ADD SOLAR. TO BUILDING
AND HAVE IT COVERED BY INSURANCE
AFTER A LOSS. AND YOU KNOW, FROM
A CLIMATE PERSPECTIVE, YEAH.
SOLAR ALONE DOESN'T PROVIDE
RESILIENCY, BUT SOLAR PLUS
BATTERY DOES AND OBVIOUSLY
HAVING NO SOLAR PANELS IN PLACE
IS THE STEP TOWARDS MORE
RESILIENCY. AND I THINK WE
SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON HOW WE ADD
BATTERY STORAGE TO SOME OF THESE
HOMES THAT ARE IN THESE AREAS,
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK
YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
SOMETHING WE'RE MATHIS. YEAH, UM
. FOR SOME OF THESE HOMES THAT
ARE UP IN THE MOUNTAINS AND MR
PATTERSON. I REMEMBER WHEN YOU
AND I WERE PART OF THE TREE
MORTALITY TASK FORCE, AND WE GOT
TO GO UP AND LOOK AT THIS. A LOT
OF THOSE CANOPIES ARE PRETTY
HIGH. IN THOSE HOMES DIDN'T
TRADITIONALLY HAVE SOLAR UM,
FRANKLY, DUE TO THE FACT THAT
THE TREES WERE SO HIGH, THEY
CAST A SHADOW OVER AND IT
WOULDN'T REALLY WORK ALL THAT
VERY WELL. SO THERE HMM.
INSTANCES WITH WITH. I THINK THE
BUILDING CODE QUESTION IS
INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE'S A
REASON WHY THEY WEREN'T BUILT
WITH THAT AND WHY THAT WASN'T
LOOKED AT IT AS AN OPTION. BUT
DO WE HAVE ANY CASES? UH UM.
WE'RE INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE
COVERED ADDING SOLAR BECAUSE OF
THE NEW BUILDING CODE. AND. UM,
IN THE INSURANCE POLICY OF
PERCENTAGE OF IT GOES TO CODE
UPGRADES, SO IT'S NOT JUST SOLAR
. I MEAN, YOU'RE REBUILDING
THESE HOMES TO CURRENT ENERGY
EFFICIENCY STANDARDS. SO
COMPARING THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY
TO A HOUSE BUILT IN 1950, WHICH
IS THE MAJORITY IN OUR AREA TO
ONE BILL. TODAY IT'S APPLES AND
ORANGES. BUT TO YOUR QUESTION,
NO, THEY WON'T. ASIDE FROM THE
PERCENTAGE THEY ARE ALLOCATED.
IF YOU HAD THAT IN YOUR
INSURANCE, WHICH NOT EVERYBODY
DID UM THEN NO, YOU PAY OUT OF
POCKET WHICH THESE PEOPLE MANY
CAN'T AFFORD TO DO. THAT THE
BILL WOULD REQUIRE THE
INDIVIDUAL WHO BENEFITS FROM
THIS TO NOT HAVE CODE UPGRADE
INSURANCE. UM SO CODE UPGRADE
INSURANCE WOULD NOT COVER THAT.
REMEMBER HOOVER. JUST A QUICK
QUESTION FOR THE AUTHOR ON THIS
BILL. ARE THEIR INCOME
REQUIREMENTS FOR WHO CAN TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THIS EXEMPTION WITH
THOSE THE AMENDMENT. YES IT'S MY
UNDERSTANDING THE AMENDMENTS NOW
REQUIRE YOU TO CHECK ALL THE
BOXES INSTEAD OF ANY OF THE
BOXES. AND SO THE INDIVIDUAL HAS
TO BE OUT OR BELOW THE MEDIAN
INCOME FOR THE COUNTY IN WHICH
THE, UM RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS
LOCATED OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IT
SEEMS LIKE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW
ALL THESE STIPULATIONS THAT THIS
WOULD HAVE A PRINTABLE PRETTY
MINIMAL. IMPACT. VERY FEW PEOPLE
ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOING
THIS. WOULD THAT BE THE CORRECT
LIKE ASSESSMENT OF IT OR WELL IT
FRANKLY, IT DEPENDS ON THE
VARIOUS, UH. KINDS AND TYPES OF
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY
IT. UH, I THINK WITH RESPECT TO
THE VETO OF THE GOVERNOR. UM IT.
SUGGESTS TO ME THAT, UH, HE?
THERE IS AN ASPIRATION TO HAVE
THE SOLAR, BUT THERE IS A
REALITY OF PEOPLE. WHERE YOU ARE
PUTTING THE ANOTHER AND MANY
TIMES LAST NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF
THEM BEING ABLE TO REBUILD THEIR
HOMES. AND THE OTHER REALITY IS
I REPRESENT A HUGE SWATH OF THE
OF THE FOREST. AND IF YOU WERE
TO COME WITH ME TO AREAS YOU GET
AN EARFUL. ALRIGHT, YOU GET AN
EARFUL. UH, INSURANCE COMPANIES
ARE NOT STEPPING UP THE WAY THAT
THEY SHOULD. THE. ABILITY TO
EVEN GET HOMES REBUILT BECAUSE
OF SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION
PIPELINES THAT ARE THAT ARE
DIFFICULT. AND SO AGAIN, I WANT
TO REMIND US THAT THAT 1 78
PASSED OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE.
UNANIMOUSLY. AND WHAT I AM
SUGGESTING IS THAT THERE IS AN
ENTIRE COHORT THAT HAS NOW BEEN
LIMITED BY THESE AMENDMENTS THAT
WE'VE TAKEN. WHO ARE IN A
CIRCUMSTANCE. UH, SIMILAR. BUT
IN MANY INSTANCES, EVEN MORE
DESPERATE AND SO I THINK IF WE
CAN UNDERSTAND THEIR PLIGHT. UH
GIVE THIS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY,
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE
IDENTIFICATION OF SO MANY OF
THESE OTHER UH, HI FOREST AREAS
THAT THE WHAT? WHAT? WE'VE SEEN
IT WITH RESPECT TO THE UM GROWTH
IN THIS BIG FOOTPRINT OF REAL
CONCERN. AND THAT IT SEEMS TO ME
THAT BUT THE PEOPLE HAVE
IDENTIFIED UH AND THE FORESTERS
HAVE IDENTIFIED THESE AREAS AS
BEING SIGNIFICANT, UM THAT I
THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT
THINGS HAVE CHANGED. AND THAT
THESE FOLKS DESERVE THE SAME
KIND. OF RECOGNITION AND HELP
THAT THEIR COUNTERPARTS RECEIVED
IN THESE OTHER FIRES THAT WERE
NOT COVERED. THANK YOU. OKAY.
THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A RIVER
WOULD JUST JUST A QUESTION AS I
LOOK AT ITEMS SIX AND I
APOLOGIZE BECAUSE ITEM SIX D, UM
, YOU'VE GOT THESE FOUR CAN
THEREFORE CONDITIONS HERE. THIS
IS THE OWNER OF THE RESIDENTIAL
BUILDING DID NOT HAVE CODE
UPGRADE INSURANCE AT THE TIME
THE PROPERTY WAS DAMAGED. UM AND
IT WAS, IT WAS POINTED OUT BY
ONE OF THE WITNESSES HERE IS
THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU DO
HAVE CODE UPGRADE INSURANCE,
IT'S INCLUDE IT'S INCLUDED IN
THE ENTIRETY OF THE PAYOUT OF
THAT SO NOTING THAT IN MANY OF
THESE FIRES, UM NOW, INCLUDING
THE FAIR PLAN. YOU CAN'T GET
COMPLETE COVERAGE FOR YOUR
PROPERTY. YOU CANNOT GET IT IN
SOME. IN SOME CASES, YOU'RE
LIMITED TO $3 MILLION AND THERE
MIGHT BE PROPERTIES THAT ARE
THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.
SO UM AND KNOWING AND WHAT
HAPPENED IN THE AND CERTAINLY IN
THE IN SONOMA COUNTY, MENDOCINO
COUNTY, WITH THE TUBBS FIRE IN
THE WINE, COUNTRY FIRES, UM 60%
OF PEOPLE WERE ALREADY UNDER
INSURED. I JUST TO ME THAT THAT
PIECE THERE FEELS FEELS
RESTRICTIVE AND NOT NECESSARILY
REFLECTIVE OF THE REALITY OF
WHAT SOME SOME PEOPLE ARE
ACTUALLY FACING. THERE. YOU
KNOW, THESE ARE FIRES
OFTENTIMES. THEY DIDN'T THEY?
THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT AT FAULT.
THERE'S A THIRD PARTY. THIS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, SO THEY'RE
NOW YOU'RE NOW ADDING INSULT TO
INJURY. AND BY THE WAY, SOME OF
THESE FOLKS ARE STILL WAITING IN
OUR CASE. 2017 THE FIRE TRUST
THERE'S STILL PEOPLE WAITING FOR
PAYOUTS. PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T
REBUILT HOUSES, UM AND YOU KNOW,
AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT, YOU
KNOW? YES IT WOULD BE GREAT TO
HAVE BATTERIES AND OTHER THINGS
AS WELL. UM HOWEVER, THE REALITY
IS A LOT OF FOLKS JUST HAVEN'T
BEEN ABLE TO GET BACK INTO THEIR
HOMES AND THE COST IS SO
PROHIBITIVE, SO I JUST YOU KNOW
I'M SUPPORT THIS, BUT I REALLY
WISH THAT HE WASN'T THERE UNLESS
IT WAS CHANGED IN SOME WAY,
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE MAXED OUT OF
YOUR INSURANCE AND YOU HAVE THE
CODE UPGRADE INSURANCE. IT
DOESN'T HELP DOESN'T HELP YOU
REBUILD YOUR HOUSE. SO, UM,
ANYWAY THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
OKAY ALRIGHT. LEAVE ANY QUESTION
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ITIS. JUST TO
COMMENT. I JUST I WANT TO GO
STATEMENT BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WOULD THAT THERE ARE SO MANY
PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GET
INSURANCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO
THIS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE A
BUILDER FOR THIS THAT WOULD LIKE
TO ADD BATTERIES THAT WOULD LIKE
TO ADD THE SOLAR. UM, BUT IT'S
NOT EVEN THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD
THE INSURANCE. THEY JUST CAN'T
GET IT. AND SO IT'S CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN
THE WILDFIRES. NOW WE'RE SEEING
THE FLOODS, HISTORIC FLOODS.
OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND
MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT OF THEIR
HOMES, AND MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT
GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET BACK
INTO THEIR HOMES. AND SO I KNOW
YOU CRAFTED THIS AROUND WILDFIRE
SITUATIONS. UM BUT IT'S ONLY
GONNA GET WORSE AS OUR WEATHER
PATTERNS INCREASE. AND SO FOR
THAT REASON, I'M SUPPORTIVE.
THANK YOU. THAT MOTION. THAT'S
EMOTION. THANK YOU. I DID A
MOTION IN A SECOND. OKAY WE HAVE
A MOTION AND A SECOND. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE APPRECIATE THE
DISCUSSION? AS I SAID, I THINK
THE ASPIRATION IS A GOOD ONE.
BYE WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF WE
GIVE THIS EXEMPTION, AND WE GET
MORE HOMES REBUILT, AND PEOPLE
GET THEIR LIVES BACK TOGETHER
AGAIN. THEY MAY VERY WELL BE IN
A POSITION SOMETIMES DELAYED TO
MAYBE EVEN CONSIDER SOLAR OR
OTHER WAYS TO UPGRADE THEIR
THEIR HOMES. BUT WE'VE GOT TO
GET THEM BACK IN THEIR HOMES
FIRST, AND THEY'VE GOT TO BE
LIVING THEIR LIVES AS CLOSE TO
WHAT IT WAS LIKE PRIOR TO THE
FIRE, SO I THINK THIS IS GIVING
PEOPLE A HELPING HAND FOR A
PERIOD OF TIME. AND WHO KNOWS?
THEY MAY VERY WELL BE DECIDING
TO HAVE UH OTHER AMENITIES ADDED
TO THE HOME OVER TIME, BUT
THEY'VE GOT TO GET BACK IN AND
GET THEIR LIVES BACK TOGETHER,
AND I THINK WE'RE GIVING THEM A
HAND IN DOING THAT. APPRECIATE
YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE
A MOTION AND A SECOND SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DUE PAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS I
FLORA. FLORA I ADDIS. AYE,
FRIEDMAN. HOOVER HOOVER. I
MATHIS DEMERIT. SUKI SUKI I
PELLERIN PELLERIN. I WARD I
WOULD WOULD ICEBERG. NO. BILL
HAS EIGHT VOTES. WE'LL LEAVE IT
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. WE HAVE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CALDERON ITEM 16 A B 11 95.
ROLE. LASTING. WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. I WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE STAFF ARE WORKING WITH
MY OFFICE ON THIS BILL AND I
WILL BE ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS. A B 11
95 WILL ESTABLISH THE CLIMATE
CHANGE PREPAREDNESS, RESILIENCY
AND JOBS FOR COMMUNITIES
PROGRAM. THE PROGRAM WILL
PROVIDE GRANTS TO IMPLEMENT
MULTI BENEFIT NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL
PROJECTS TO INCREASE COMMUNITY
IN LANDSCAPE CLIMATE RESILIENCY.
CALIFORNIA IS CURRENTLY FACING
REPEATED CYCLES OF EXTREME HEAT
, DEVASTATING WILDFIRES AND
RISING SEA LEVELS. A B 11 95.
WE'LL PRAY PRIORITIZE
INVESTMENTS IN LOW INCOME AND
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. SINCE
THEY DISPROPORTIONATELY
EXPERIENCED THE EFFECTS OF
EXTREME WEATHER. CALIFORNIANS
NEED GREATER ACCESS TO CLIMATE
RESILIENCY TO SERVE AS ACTIVE
PARTICIPANTS IN MEETING THE
STATE'S IMPORTANT CLIMATE GOALS
HERE WITH ME TODAY, SPEAKING AND
SUPPORTIVE, MAYBE 11 95 IS READ
ATIS ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITY
NATURE CONNECTION AND ABIGAIL
MAIL ON BEHALF OF THE L, A
CONSERVATION CORPSE. AND THE L.
A NEIGHBORHOOD LAND TRUST. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS READ
ARTISTS ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITY
NATURE CONNECTION HERE TODAY AND
SUPPORT OUR ORGANIZATION WORKS
ON THE FRONT LINE WITH
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE TYPICALLY
TYPICALLY VULNERABLE, ESPECIALLY
TO CLIMATE CHANGE. SO WE SEE IT
FIRSTHAND. THERE NEED TO BOTH
ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE, BUT THEY
ALSO WANT TO BE LEADERS IN
CLIMATE CHANGE. TO DO SO THEY
NEED NEW TOOLS. WE THINK THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MEASURE HELPS
US TO GET THOSE KIND OF TOOLS
THAT ALLOW NEW INNOVATION ALLOWS
US TO WORK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS
TO PUT MULTI BENEFIT PROJECTS
TOGETHER. ALLOWS US TO BUILD NEW
PARTNERSHIPS, WHICH ARE CRITICAL
WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ADVANCE
CLIMATE CHANGE AT THE POLICIES
AND PROCEDURES TO ADDRESS
CLIMATE CHANGE, THAT IS AT A
SCALE THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED.
WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS, EVEN
THOUGH WE WORK WITH A NUMBER OF
ORGANIZATIONS IN LOS ANGELES TO
HELP BUILD THIS PROPOSAL, IT
DOES WORK AND WE PURPOSELY MADE
SURE WOULD WORK FOR THOSE OF YOU
ON THE NORTH COAST OR IN THE
CENTRAL COAST BY HELPING SMALL
COMMUNITIES OR RURAL COMMUNITIES
, ALLOWING YOU TO WORK AT A
NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL TO PUT THESE
PROJECTS TOGETHER IN STRONG SORT
SUPPORT TODAY, AS ESPECIALLY AND
I WILL SAY, BECAUSE YOU MAY HEAR
SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVISION IN
THIS POLICY. WE BELIEVE IT'S
INCUMBENT UPON THOSE OF US IN
THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY IN
OUR COMMUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO
WORK ON PROJECTS THAT DEAL WITH
CLIMATE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO FOR THE REASON WE'RE IN
STRONG SUPPORT TODAY, THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
ABIGAIL MAIL ON BEHALF OF THE L.
A CONSERVATION CORPS AND THE L.
A NEIGHBORHOOD LAND TRUST. BOTH
OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS WORK
ACROSS COMMUNITIES IN THE L. A
AREA TO BOLSTER CLIMATE
RESILIENCE IN NEIGHBORHOODS,
PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. SO I WANT
TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TODAY
ABOUT THIS MEASURE AND HOW IT'S
GOING TO SUPPORT THIS WORK. AH
WE WORK ON THE FRONT LINES OF
RESPONDING TO THE CLIMATE CRISIS
. THERE'S A LONG LIST OF CLIMATE
PROJECTS THAT WE AND OUR
PARTNERS ARE READY TO PURSUE
FROM EXPANDING ALTERNATIVE
TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS TO SUPPORTING
BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION AND
INCREASING LANDSCAPE RESILIENCY
ACROSS OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT AS
IT STANDS, THERE ARE BARRIERS
KEEPING US FROM GOING AFTER, UH,
SOME OF THE EXISTING FUNDING OUT
THERE FOR THESE PROJECTS,
PRIMARILY THE LARGE SIZE AND
SCOPE OF THE EXISTING GRANTS
MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR SMALLER,
COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATION.
NATIONS LIKE OURSELVES. TO GAIN
ACCESS TO THE FUNDING AND TO
PARTNER WITH OTHER SMALL
COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO
BRING THESE PROJECTS TO LIFE.
THE PARTNERSHIPS AND THE PLANS
ARE IN PLACE, BUT WE NEED THE
STATE AND PARTNERS LIKE THE
REGIONAL CONSERVANCIES HELP US
ROLL THESE PROJECTS OUT. MAYBE
11 95 WOULD SUPPORT OUR WORK BY
PROVIDING MANAGEABLE AND
ACCESSIBLE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES
FOR SMALLER, COMMUNITY BASED
ORGANIZATIONS TO COLLABORATE AND
IMPLEMENT MULTI BENEFIT CLIMATE
PROJECTS. LIKE I SAID, THE
PARTNERSHIPS ARE IN PLACE AND
READY TO ROLL OUT THESE PROJECTS
FOR A RANGE OF MULTI BENEFIT
PROJECTS. UM BUT BUT WE NEED THE
EXTRA SUPPORT TO MAKE THAT
HAPPEN. SO FOR THESE REASONS, WE
STRONGLY SUPPORT A B 11 95, AND
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR
SUPPORT AS WELL. THANK YOU. ARE
THERE ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT.
MEGAN SHUMWAY IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. TAMARA ANGER ON BEHALF OF
CAL STAR CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION
OF LOCAL CONSERVATION CORPS LAND
TRUST IN SANTA CRUZ COUNTY, MID
PENINSULA REGIONAL OPEN SPACE
DISTRICT. CAL VANS ENDANGERED
HABITATS LEAGUE IN THE
CALIFORNIA INVASIVE PLANT
COUNSEL AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
NEXT, UM WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. I SEE NONE. ARE
THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS? OKAY.
SEE NONE. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION
FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ATIS,
SECOND ASSEMBLY MEMBER. PELLERIN
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? UM JUST
THANK YOU. AND I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR MY VOTE. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS I
FLORA. NOT VOTING. ADDIS. AYE,
FRIEDMAN. HOOVER. ALREADY MATHIS
BERT SUKI. G I, PELLERIN.
PELLERIN, I WORD. WOULD. WOULD
ICEBERG AYE. THAT BILL HAS SIX
VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK YOU. OKAY.
NEXT UP ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CONNOLLY THANK YOU. MAYBE 3 88
ITEM FOUR. WE HAVE A MOTION AND
A SECOND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
APPRECIATE IT. AND MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS GREAT TO BE PRESENTING
ON A B 3 88. CATASTROPHIC
WILDFIRES HAVE INCREASED IN
FREQUENCY AND SEVERITY OVER THE
LAST DECADE AND CONTINUE TO BE
ONE OF CALIFORNIA'S GREATEST
THREATS TO THE LIVES OF HUMAN
LIFE, PROPERTY AND ECOSYSTEM
FUNCTION. WILDFIRES ARE ALSO
INCREASINGLY HAPPENING ACROSS
LARGE LANDSCAPES RANGING FROM
TENS TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
ACRES. 83 88 WOULD REQUIRE CAL
FIRE TO ESTABLISH A ROADMAP FOR
DEVELOPING AND DEPLOYING LARGER
LANDSCAPE LEVEL PROJECTS IN
ORDER TO INCREASE PACE AND SCALE
OF FOREST HEALTH PROJECTS.
STRENGTHEN PROTECTION OF
COMMUNITIES MANAGED FOR US TO
ACHIEVE THE STATE'S ECONOMIC AND
ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS. AND DRIVE
INNOVATION AND MEASURE PROGRESS.
THIS BILL, WOULD AUTHOR AUTHOR
ALSO AUTHORIZED CAL FIRE TO
PROVIDE REGIONAL BLACK GRANTS TO
ELIGIBLE REGIONAL ENTITIES TO
IMPLEMENT REGIONAL PLANS AND
INITIATIVES. THIS BILL WOULD
BUILD UPON EFFORTS AT THE
REGIONAL FOREST AND FIRE
CAPACITY PROGRAM OR ARE FFC
OPERATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
CONSERVATION. THEY ARE FFC
PROGRAM HAS BEEN A CATALYST TO
BUILD UP REGIONAL CAPACITY
DEVELOP REGIONAL PRIORITY PLANS
FOR WILDFIRE RESILIENCE. WITH ME
TODAY TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL. I HAVE MARK FENCED
RAMAKER, REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA SOC ATION OF RESOURCE
CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, THE
SPONSOR OF THIS MEASURE. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM. CHAIR MARK
FINSTER, MAKER FOR THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
RESOURCE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS
PROUD TO SPONSOR A B 388. THANKS
TO THE REGIONAL FOREST AND FIRE
CAPACITY PROGRAM. OVER THE PAST
SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN
REGIONAL AND LOCAL CAPACITY BE
BUILT UP, ENABLING THE
DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL PRIORITY
PLANS AND THE IDENTIFICATION OF
HUNDREDS TO THOUSANDS OF
PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO
INCREASE OUR WILDFIRE RESILIENCE
. RESTORE THE HEALTH OF OUR
FORESTS, HELP PROTECT OUR
COMMUNITIES. AND THESE PLANS ARE
NEARING THEIR COMPLETION. AND SO
WE REALLY NEED TO BE THINKING
ABOUT THE NEXT STEP HERE AND HOW
WE GET THESE PROJECTS FUNDED AND
THEN IMPLEMENTED AND IN AN
EFFICIENT MANNER SO THAT WE CAN
REALLY INCREASE THE PACE AND
SCALE OF OUR WILDFIRE RESPONSE.
AND THAT'S WHERE A B 38 COMES
IN. IT'S GOING TO HAVE CAL FIRE
DEVELOPED THIS ROADMAP SO THAT
THEY CAN START TO PLAN OUT HOW
THEY GET THE PROJECTS AND THE
PLANS REALLY FUNDED AS WELL AS
AUTHORIZED SOME NEW TOOLS FOR
CAL FIRE TO REALLY PUSH THE
MONEY DOWN TO THAT REGIONAL
LEVEL AND A MORE EFFICIENT AND
SPEEDY MANNER, AND THAT'S WHY
WE'RE PROUD TO GO TO SPONSOR 83
88 REALLY THANK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CONNELLY FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. YES MADAM CHAIR CHRIS
MAKELELE ON BEHALF OF HUMBOLDT
MENDOCINO REDWOOD COMPANIES AND
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MICHAEL JARED ON
BEHALF OF THE NATURE CONSERVANCY
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. SEEN
NONE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS. TURN ON.
SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION
AND A SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY
VOTE. THANK YOU, SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. MOTION IS
DO PASS THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS
REVERSE. I FLORA. FLORA I ADDIS.
THAT IS I. FRIEDMAN HOOVER.
ALRIGHT MATHIS SIMMERED SUKI
SUKI, I PELLERIN PELLERIN. I
WARD I WOULD WOULD ICEBERG. I
THANK YOU. THE BILL HAS NINE
VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. NEXT I BELIEVE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S EDGAR CURRY
ITEM 10. A B 8 63.
GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. SINCE JULY. 2011
CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS HAVE PAID A
CARPET STEWARDSHIP ASSESSMENT
FEE WHEN PURCHASING CARPETS SALT
IN CALIFORNIA. THIS SPEEDY
FUNDS, A STATEWIDE CARPET
RECYCLING PROGRAM, KNOWN AS THE
CARPET, AMERICA RECOVERY EFFORT,
CARE. WHICH IS A PRO PRODUCER
RESPONSIBILITY ORGANIZATION
DESIGNED AND IMPLEMENTED BY
CARPET MANUFACTURERS WITH
CALORIE CYCLE OVERSIGHT. DESPITE
REPEATED INTERVENTIONS BY
CALORIE CYCLE, AND THE
CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE CARES
CONSISTENT FAILURE TO
SUCCESSFULLY ADMINISTER
CALIFORNIA'S CARPET RECYCLING
PROGRAM HAS RESULTED IN MORE
CARPET IN LANDFILLS WASTED
CONSUMER FEE MONEY, CONSTANT
LITIGATION WITH THE STATE AND
PERMANENT DAMAGE TO OUR
RECYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE. FOR
MAJOR PROCESSORS IN CALIFORNIA
ARE NO LONGER IN OPERATION, IN
PART BECAUSE OF THE CONSISTENTLY
POOR PERFORMANCE BY CARE.
INCLUDING ONE FACILITY IN MY
DISTRICT THAT LEFT THE STATE FOR
LACK OF SUFFICIENT MATERIAL.
AFTER FAILING TO PROVIDE A PLAN
FOR SUPPLYING RECYCLABLE
MATERIALS SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT
THE FACILITY, AND IT'S UP TO 60
JOBS CARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED THAT
COMPANY TO TAKE $500,000 IN
CUSTOMER FUNDED EQUIPMENT TO
OPERATE IN ARIZONA. A B 8 63
WILL IMPROVE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
CARE OR ANY OTHER CARPET
RECYCLING PROGRAM BY INCREASING
CIVIL PENALTIES FOR VIOLATING
RELEVANT LAWS AND MAKING REPEAT
OFFENDERS INELIGIBLE TO RUN THIS
PROGRAM. THE BILL WILL ALSO
PROVIDE AT LEAST 10% OF PROGRAM
REVENUE FOR GRANTS TO
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS FOR
TRAINING JOURNEY LEVEL CARPET
PROFESSIONALS IN PROPER CARPET
RECYCLING PRACTICES, WHICH WILL
INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF CARPET
AVAILABLE FOR RECYCLING. WITH ME
TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF THE
BILL ARE HEIDI SANDBERG, THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
NATIONAL STEWARDSHIP ACTION
COUNTY COUNCIL, AND TWO PEOPLE
WILL SPLIT UP THEIR TIME FROM
NORTH AND SOUTH DISTRICTS OF THE
PAINTERS UNION. MY GREENLEE,
REPRESENTING DISTRICT COUNCIL 16
AND TONY TRINIDAD, TRINIDAD
REPRESENTING COUNCIL DISTRICT
COUNCIL, 36. THANK YOU SO MANY
MEMBER REGULAR CURRY, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I'M HEIDI
SANBORN WITH THE NATIONAL
STEWARDSHIP ACTION COUNCIL, A
NONPROFIT THAT ADVOCATES FOR
CIRCULAR AND EQUITABLE ECONOMY
WERE THE PROUD SPONSOR OF HB 863
TO IMPROVE CALIFORNIA'S CARPET
RECYCLING PROGRAM USING TWO
MECHANISM THAT THE LEGISLATIVE
MECHANISMS THAT THE LEGISLATURE
HAS RECENTLY EMPLOYED ANOTHER
BILLS FIRST TO INCREASE THE
PENALTIES TO LEVELS USED FOR
OTHER NATIONAL CORPORATIONS. AND
SECOND TO ENSURE THAT THE
STEWARDSHIP ORGANIZATION WHICH
HAS FAILED THREE OR MORE TIMES
TO MEET ITS OBLIGATIONS, IS
INELIGIBLE TO RUN THE PROGRAM.
CARERS REPEATEDLY FAILED TO MEET
ITS OBLIGATIONS, FREQUENTLY
SUBMITTING INADEQUATE PLANS AND
YOUR REPORTS AND BEING
CONSISTENTLY OUT OF COMPLIANCE
WITH COLLECTION AND RECYCLING
TARGETS. THEIR FAILURES HAVE
REQUIRED SIGNIFICANT OVERSIGHT
AND ENFORCEMENT BY CAL RECYCLE.
AND USED A LOT OF RESOURCES TO
MONITOR BY THE ADVOCATES AND THE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS WELL. IN
FACT, WE'VE HAD TO DEVELOP A
GRAPH BECAUSE WE LITERALLY COULD
NOT EVEN KEEP TRACK OF HOW MANY
ENFORCEMENT TIMES THE STATE HAS
ENFORCED AGAINST THEM, AND
THERE'S BEEN THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF
COMPLIANCE. IN 2021 CARES ANNUAL
REPORT STATES THAT £163 MILLION
OF CARPET IS STILL BEING LAND
FILLED WITH 88 MILLION
COLLECTED. SIMPLE MATH. THAT
MEANS THAT TWO THIRDS OF THE
CARPET THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR
RECYCLING IS NOT EVEN BEING
COLLECTED 11 YEARS AFTER THE
PROGRAM STARTED. THAT MEANS THAT
OUR RECYCLERS AND OUR PROCESSORS
ARE NOT GETTING THE CARPET THAT
THEY NEED TO STAY OPEN. WHICH IS
WHY WE HAVE LOST OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE. I'VE WORKED MY
WHOLE CAREER TO BUILD
INFRASTRUCTURE AND JOBS HERE AND
THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING MORE
FRUSTRATING THAN WATCHING THEM
LEAVE AFTER CITING AFTER WE
PASSED A BILL LIKE THIS
CALIFORNIANS DESERVE A PROGRAM
THAT'S EASY TO USE, CREATES AND
KEEPS JOBS IN CALIFORNIA AND
RECYCLES THE MAJORITY OF CARPET
. IT'S MADE PRIMARILY FROM
FOSSIL FUELS AND HAS A VERY
LARGE CARBON FOOTPRINT. WE WANT
TO THANK UH ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
REGULAR CURRY AND SENATOR DODD
AND WE ASKED FOR YOUR I VOTE.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE AND
HE'S MY GREENLEE. I'M THE
POLITICAL AND COMMUNICATIONS
DIRECTOR FOR DISTRICT COUNT 16.
I'VE BEEN IN THE TRADES FOR OVER
29 YEARS WE HEAR THE PARENTS'
KNOWLEDGE TRADES OR IN FULL
SUPPORT OF THE CORPORATE CYCLING
EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO
REDUCE THE 1.6% OF WASTE BY
VOLUME THAT DISCARDED CARPET
REPRESENTS IN OUR CALIFORNIA
LANDFILLS. WE DO BELIEVE THAT
THERE IS A NEED. THERE NEEDS TO
BE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY TO MAKE
SURE THAT OUR STEWARDSHIP
PROGRAMS MEET THE GOALS THAT ARE
SET. THE CURRENT STEWARDSHIP
PROGRAM OPERATOR CARPET RECOVERY
AMERICAN EFFORT HAS BEEN FOUND
IN NONCOMPLIANCE BY CALVARY
CYCLE AND EVERY YEAR FROM 2014
TO 2019 AND AGAIN IN 2021 2022.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SERIOUS
PENALTIES IN PLACE WITH
CONSEQUENCES TO ENSURE THE
STEWARDSHIP PROGRAM IS DOING
EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO
ADHERE TO AND MEET THE GOAL SET
FORTH IN THE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
A LOT OF THE RETAILERS AND
CONTRACTORS THAT WE DEAL WITH
FEEL THAT THEY'RE BEING FORCED
TO ADD FEES TO THEIR PRODUCTS TO
FUNDED FAILING PROGRAM WHERE
EVENTUALLY THE PRICE POINT OF
CARPET WILL BE SO HIGH THAT
CONSUMERS WILL OFFER DIFFERENT
PRODUCTS FOR THEIR FLOOR NEEDS.
THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS EASY TO
RECYCLE ENDED UP IN LANDFILLS AS
WELL. WE FEEL THE REQUIREMENT OF
THIS BILL TO ENSURE THAT 95% OF
THE ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE
COLLECTED THAT ARE PASSED OFF TO
AND PAID BY CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS
SHOULD REMAIN IN CALIFORNIA TO
FOCUS ON THE RECYCLING EFFORT
EFFORTS IN CALIFORNIA. PROGRAM
GRANTS AWARDED BY CARE FROM 2017
TO 2022 HAVE BEEN AWARDED TO
MULTIPLE ENTITIES IN ARIZONA,
SOUTH CAROLINA, OHIO, VIRGINIA
AND GEORGIA. KEEPING THE
SPONSORED CALIFORNIA WILL HELP
INCREASE COLLECTION LOCATIONS IN
CALIFORNIA, MAKING IT EASIER FOR
POST CONSUMER RECYCLING EFFORTS
AS WELL AS FOCUSED ON CALIFORNIA
RECYCLING CENTERS TO INCREASE
THEIR CAPACITY FOR TESTING AND
PROCESSING TO HANDLE THE
INCREASED VOLUME MATERIALS AND
CREATE JOBS FOR CALIFORNIA
RESIDENTS. THIS BILL ALSO
REQUIRES A 10% OF THE FEES
COLLECTED TWO ASSESSMENT SALES
OF CORPORATE CALIFORNIA SHALL BE
30 SECONDS GRANTS FOR STATE OF
PEER PRESSURE PROGRAMS. THEY
SHOULD ALSO BE SPENT ON TRAIN
THE INSTALLERS ON PROPER
INSTALLATION OF CARPET. MOST
DEPARTMENT FAILS EARLY PRIOR TO
END OF TERM OF LIFE OF PRODUCT
IS DUE TO IMPROPER INSTALLATION
BY NOT KNOWING ABOUT BILLY OF
GLUES, ADHESIVES. BASIC
INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS. I
THINK IF THAT'S THE THREE
MINUTES I YIELD MY TIME. I'M
JUST KIDDING. DO I HAVE TO GO
AHEAD JUST ALL RIGHT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS
TONY D TURNED OUT WITH THE
PAINTERS. NOW I TRADE JUST YOUR
COUNCIL 36 FROM SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA REPRESENT OVER 10,000
MEMBERS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
AND WE'RE HERE IN SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL, UH, JUST TO ECHO WHAT
MIKE WAS SAYING THIS THIS
BUILDING SURE THAT AT LEAST 10%
OF THE ASSESSMENTS COLLECTED TO
BE EXPENDED ON GRANTS THE
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS APPROVED
BY THE CHIEF OF DIVISION OF
APPRENTICESHIP STANDARDS FOR
TRAINING APPRENTICE. AND JOURNEY
LEVEL CARPET INSTALLERS AND IN
PROPER CARPET, RECYCLING
PRACTICES AND INSTALLATION
PRACTICES. AND I BELIEVE MIKE.
CONVEYED THE REASONS WHY WE WANT
INSULATION PRACTICES INCLUDED IN
THIS BILL. THANKS, GUYS. THANK
YOU. NEXT ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR OF JASON SCHMELZER ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PRODUCT
STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL AND ALAMEDA
COUNTY STOCK. WASTE IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS MY QUEST ON BEHALF OF
THE STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL ALSO
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NICK
ROMANO ON BEHALF OF THE LEAGUE
OF CALIFORNIA CITIES AND SUPPORT
. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
ROBERT SMITH, POLITICAL DIRECTOR
FOR DISTRICT COUNCIL 36.
PAINTERS AND ALLIED TRAITS. AND
UH, STRONGLY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT FOR THIS, BILL. THANK
YOU. CHLOE BROWN AND
CALIFORNIANS AGAINST WASTE AND
SUPPORT. TAMARA ANGER ON BEHALF
OF RETHINK WASTE AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. MEMBER MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE RANDY
POLLOCK ON BEHALF OF THE CARPET
AND RUG INSTITUTE, WHERE THE
ASSOCIATION THAT REPRESENTS THE
MANUFACTURE CARPET MANUFACTURERS
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. WE ARE
PART OF THE STEWARDSHIP PLAN OF
CARE. AND FIRST I WANT TO SAY WE
DID SUBMIT A LETTER IS A LITTLE
BIT. WAIT WE'RE WAITING FOR THE
BILL TO BE AMENDED SO THAT WE
COULD MAKE IT RELEVANT IN.
ADDITIONALLY I ALSO WANT TO
THANK OF SOMEONE WOMAN
AGUIAR-CURRY, WHO CAME OUT TO A
RECYCLING FACILITY AND HER
OFFICE HAS REACHED OUT TO US AND
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. WE
ALL AGREE ANY PROGRAM CAN BE IN
IMPROVED. BUT ALSO I JUST WANT
TO MENTION THAT FOR THE YEAR
2022 THE CARPET INDUSTRY AND THE
CARE PROGRAM WAS VERY
SUCCESSFUL. IT MET ALL OF ITS
STEWARDSHIP REQUIREMENTS ALL OF
ITS GOALS. THE RECYCLING RATE
WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 27% WE CAME
IN AT 33% AND IN THE FOURTH
QUARTER, WE ENDED UP CLOSER TO
40% WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 400
PUBLIC AND PRIVATE COLLECTIONS.
ADDITIONALLY WE DO WORK WITH
MANY OF THE PRINCES OF PROGRAMS
FROM DISTRICT COUNCIL 16 AND
MATTER OF FACT, IN SAN LEANDRO,
WE HAVE TRAINED OVER 200 PEOPLE
JOURNEYING IN THERE TO LEARN HOW
TO TAKE BACK THE CARPET. HOW TO
WRAP IT. WE HAVE ACTUALLY PLACED
CONTAINERS AND THEIR FACILITY
THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS
A PLACE TO DROP IT OFF. WE ALSO
DO A LOT OF EDUCATION WITH
RETAILERS. OF COURSE, IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT TO TRY TO GET THOSE
FOLKS TO GET IT ALL BACK INTO
THE PROCESS. WE TRY VERY HARD TO
DO THAT. WE ALSO WANT TO WORK
WITH THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
DORAEMON AND APPRENTICESHIP
PROGRAMS BECAUSE THAT'S VERY
IMPORTANT. WE'VE DONE OUTREACH
WITH THEM, AND WE HOPE TO
CONTINUE TO FOSTER THAT BECAUSE
THE MORE CARPET WE GET INTO THE
SYSTEM, THE BETTER THE RECYCLING
RATE. I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE
CARPET THAT'S COMING IN. WE ARE
ABOUT 100, DIFFERENT
MANUFACTURERS THAT WE HAVE TO
SUBSIDIZE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO
MAKE THE PRODUCTS BECAUSE MANY
TIMES THEY CAN FIND VIRGIN
MATERIAL A LOT CHEAPER. SO WE
HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE IT. SO THAT'S
WHERE ALMOST 75 TO 80% OF THE
MONEY GOES TO SUBSIDIZE THESE
PROGRAMS, SO WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE MONEY IS BEING
USED NO WISELY AND MAKING SURE
WE'RE GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR
THE BUCK. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT
WE RUN INTO THE ENFORCEMENT. OF
COURSE, YOU COULD HAVE 12 GOALS
IN YOUR PROGRAM. YOU COULD SAY
THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 30
COLLECTION SITES, AND INSTEAD WE
ONLY END UP WITH 28 COLLECTION
SITES FOR THAT YEAR. 30 SECONDS
WERE DEEMED TO BE IN IN 19
COMPLIANCE, AND THAT'S WHAT
MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. WE
COULD HAVE A PROCESSOR SAY THEY
COULD TAKE £5 MILLION, BUT THEY
HAVE EQUIPMENT BREAKS SO THEY
HAVE £3 MILLION AND THEN WE ARE
SENT TO ENFORCEMENT WERE EVEN
SENT TO ENFORCEMENT FOR THE
YEAR. 2020 THERE WAS A PANDEMIC
VERY HARD TO GET BACK CARPET
DURING THAT TIME FOR ALL THAT WE
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S AND HER STAFF
BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT OUR
PROGRAMS COULD BE FIXED. THANK
YOU. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. OKAY
SEE NONE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PER. I THINK
THIS IS A GREAT BILL. THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING IT. I THINK IT
IMPROVES THE PROGRAM. I THINK IT
PRESERVES JOBS HERE IN THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA. SO I'LL BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THE
OTHER MEMBERS. OKAY WE HAVE A
MOTION FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ADDIS. SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI
PELLERIN. UM THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD. I
WILL SUPPORT THANK YOU FOR
IMPROVING THIS. THIS CPR
PROGRAM. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? A V 8 63 JUST PROVIDES
ADDITIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
CARPET STEWARDSHIP ORGANIZATIONS
THAT RELY ON CONSUMER FEES. I'M
EXCITED TO GET THIS BILL FORWARD
. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT
YOUR WHOLE TEAM'S DONE AS WELL
AS MY SUPPORTERS HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OUR
RECORD. WILL YOU BE ACCEPTING
THE AMENDMENTS? THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. CAN YOU
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MOTION IS
DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS I RIVAS I
FLORA. THAT VOTING ADDIS AYE,
FRIEDMAN. HOOVER. NOT VOTING.
MATHIS. MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI.
AYE, PELLERIN. PELLERIN I WARD
WARD. I WOULD WOULD ICEBERG.
AYE. OKAY THAT BILL HAS SEVEN
VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
MEMBERS THAT ARE ABSENT FROM THE
COMMITTEE. NEXT. WE HAVE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA. I THINK
TWO MORE BILLS. GARCIA AND THEN
HOOVER. AND THEN THE CONSENT.
IT'S OKAY. I MISSED THAT. OKAY?
THIS IS ITEM NINE. MAYBE 8 49.
MR GARCIA, YOU HAVE A MOTION AND
A SECOND ALREADY. THANK YOU, AND
I'LL BE ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS. AND WITH THAT ALL
ALLOW FOR OUR TWO WITNESSES TO
BE BRIEF AND TALK A BIT ABOUT
THE BILL. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
KATHRYN HIGGINS AND I'M, THE
ASSISTANT DEPUTY EXECUTIVE
OFFICER FOR COMMUNITY AIR
PROGRAMS AT SOUTH COAST. UM D WE
ARE PLEASED TO SERVE AS THE
BILL'S SPONSOR. UNDER THE A B 6
17 PROGRAM, THEIR DISTRICTS ARE
REQUIRED TO ADDRESS LOCALIZED
AIR POLLUTION IMPACTS THAT
ENDANGER THE HEALTH.
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES. THEY'RE CURRENTLY
1986 17 COMMUNITY STATEWIDE AND
SIX ARE WITHIN THE SOUTH COAST
REGION. TO FACILITATE THIS
COMMUNITY DRIVEN PROGRAM. WE
WORK CLOSELY WITH COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, LOCAL LEADERS,
NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND
OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO FORM
COMMUNITY STEERING COMMITTEE
MEETINGS KNOWN AS CFCS. THEY
REPRESENT EACH DESIGNATED
COMMUNITY. DO THE CSC S AIR
DISTRICTS COORDINATE WITH A B 6
17 COMMUNITIES TO DEVELOP
COMMUNITY EMISSION REDUCTION
PLANS, KNOWN AS SERBS THAT
INCLUDES STRATEGIES TO REDUCE
DISPROPORTIONATE LEVELS OF AIR
POLLUTION. SO DEVELOPED THROUGH
A PROCESS KOLET BY CSC S IN
COLLABORATION WITH THEIR
DISTRICTS, AND THEY DO REFLECT
THE COMMUNITIES AIR QUALITY
PRIORITIES SERVICE CONTAIN A
VARIETY OF STRATEGIES, SUCH AS
COMMITMENTS TO DEVELOP NEW
REGULATIONS, INCENTIVES TO
ACCELERATE THE ADOPTION OF
CLEANER TECHNOLOGIES AS WELL AS
COLLABORATIONS WITH COMMUNITY.
STAKEHOLDERS AND OTHER AGENCIES
, HOWEVER, AT TIMES PROPOSED
CERTAIN MEASURES GO BEYOND THE
AUTHORITY OF THE CALIFORNIA AIR
RESOURCES BOARD AND LOCAL AIR
DISTRICTS. IT IS IN THESE CASES
THAT INVOLVEMENT OF RELEVANT
STATE AGENCIES IS CRITICAL TO
ADDRESS AND RESOLVE COMMUNITY
IDENTIFIED ISSUES. WITHOUT THEIR
INVOLVEMENT. VARIOUS STRATEGIES
WILL SIMPLY BE ABANDONED.
ADDITIONALLY AS PART OF THE CSC
PROCESS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO
ENGAGE IN DEVELOPING SERVICE
SHOULD BE PROVIDED WITHIN
ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET SUPPORTING
THEIR AUTONOMY. WITH CARVED
COORDINATING SUCH A STATEWIDE
ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET ALLOCATION
, GREATER CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT
THE PROGRAM WILL BE ACHIEVED.
THAT'S WE STRONGLY SUPPORT
PASSAGE OF HB 8 49 TO ENSURE
THAT SERVES CAN BE EFFECTIVELY
IMPLEMENTED TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS
OF DISPROPORTIONATELY BURDENED
COMMUNITIES FROM THE NEGATIVE
IMPACTS OF AIR POLLUTION AND
TOXICS AND TO PROVIDE AUTONOMY
FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS INVOLVED
IN DEVELOPING SERBS. WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT FOR THIS IMPORTANT,
BILL. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS ALAN ABS,
AND I'M THE LEGISLATIVE OFFICER
FOR THE BAY AREA AIR QUALITY
MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, AND THE
DISTRICT IS IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
A B 8 49 ARE AIR DISTRICT SERVES
7.5 MILLION RESIDENTS AND
INCLUDES FOUR A B 6 17
COMMUNITIES WEST OAKLAND,
RICHMOND, SAN PABLO, EAST,
OAKLAND AND BAYVIEW HUNTERS
POINT I'D LIKE TO THANK KATHRYN
HIGGINS FOR DESCRIBING THE WORK
OF THE AIR DISTRICTS, COMMUNITY
STEERING COMMITTEES AND
COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO DEVELOP AND
IMPLEMENT COMMUNITY EMISSION
REDUCTION PROGRAMS. AS SHE NOTED
. IN MANY CASES, THESE
COMMUNITIES IDENTIFY STRATEGIES
THAT GO BEYOND THE AUTHORITIES
OF CARBON THE AIR DISTRICTS. TO
THE EXTENT THAT THE STRATEGIES
INVOLVE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND
PARTICIPATION FROM A STATE
AGENCY OTHER THAN CARB. A B 8 49
PROVIDES A REASONABLE PROCESS TO
ENGAGE THE STATE AGENCIES AND
HAVE COMMUNITY VOICES HEARD AT
THE SAME TIME, COMMUNITIES ALSO
SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET FORMAL
FEEDBACK FROM THE STATE AGENCIES
, EITHER THAT THE PROPOSED
STRATEGY IS WORTHY OF
CONSIDERATION AND FUTURE ACTION
OR THAT THE STRATEGY IS
INFEASIBLE AND WILL NOT BE
CONSIDERED, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS
BILL IS REALLY ABOUT GIVING
COMMUNITIES THE VOICE THAT WE
PROMISED THEM WITH THE PASSAGE
OF A B 6 17 IN 2017.
ADDITIONALLY WE ALSO SUPPORT THE
PROPOSAL IN A B 8 49 TO
ESTABLISH AN ADMINISTRATIVE
BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR COMMUNITY
MEMBERS INVOLVED IN CERTAIN
DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THIS
BILL, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
ANSWERING ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS,
AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I
VOTE. THANK YOU ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT BRENDAN
TUAREG ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA AIR POLLUTION CONTROL
OFFICERS ASSOCIATION THAT'S
REPRESENTING EXECUTIVE OFFICERS
FROM ALL 35 LOCAL AIR DISTRICTS
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ARE THERE, WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION.
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS PAUL
JIRO WITH THE WESTERN STATES
PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION AGAIN.
WHAT WE HAVE IS RATHER A TECH
TECHNICAL CONCERN, WHICH IS
RECOGNIZED IN THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS AND SPECIFICALLY AND
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. UM
THERE MAY BE TIMES WHEN IT
COMMUNITY EMISSIONS PRODUCTION
PROGRAM HAS AN ELEMENT THAT MAY
NOT BE RELATED TO AN AIR
DISTRICT AUTHORITY. IN THOSE
CASES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE APPLIQUE APPLICABLE STATE
AGENCY TO NOT ONLY IMPLEMENT BUT
BUT ADOPT AS WELL, IF, IF, IF AN
EXISTING AIR BOARD DOES NOT HAVE
EXISTING AUTHORITY, WE BELIEVE
THAT THE STATE AGENCY SHOULD
ALSO ADOPT AS WELL AS IMPLEMENT.
CONSISTENT WE WERE WE BELIEVE
WITH THE AMENDMENTS. FOR THAT
REASON WE HAVE AN OPPOSABLE THIS
AMENDED POSITION. THANK YOU ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? OKAY SEE NONE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? OKAY. SEE
NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
THANK YOU FOR THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS. AS I MENTIONED WE ARE
ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENTS AND
AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
ATTENTION ON THIS BILL. THANKS.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS REVERSE I FLORA
FLORA, NO ADDIS! ADDIS, I
FRIEDMAN HOOVER. HOOVER NO
MATHIS SNOW BERTUCCI WHERE
ITSUKI I PELLERIN. PILLAR AND I
WARD WORD I WOULD WOULD ICEBERG.
AYE. THAT BILL HAS SEVEN VOTES
WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS NEXT FINAL BILL IS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOOVER ITEM
NUMBER 12. WITH THE BILL. MAYBE
909 AND WE STILL NEED THE CAN
ALSO THE CONSENT CALENDAR
WARNING MEMBERS, BUT WE'LL START
WITH A B 909 YOU HAVE A MOTION
AND A SECOND. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR. JUST WANT TO START BY
SAYING THAT WE ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU
FOR WORKING WITH OUR OFFICE ON
THOSE IMPORTANT MEASURE THAT
WILL HELP AID LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
AND PRIVATE LANDOWNERS AND
CLEANING UP THEIR COMMUNITIES
AND ENSURING THAT HAZARDOUS
WASTE IS PROPERLY DISPOSED OF
PROTECTS PUBLIC HEALTH AND
SAFETY. GOOD FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT. ALTERNATE OVER JOHN
KENNEDY WITH R C. R C HI. JOHN
KENNEDY WITH RC RC WERE HAPPILY
SPONSORING THE BILL TODAY. WE
THINK THIS MAKES A MORE COMPLETE
GRANT PROGRAM AT COWER CYCLE, A
ONE STOP SHOP FOR LOCALS TO GET
COMPLETE FUNDING FOR CLEANING UP
ILLEGAL DISPOSAL AND APPRECIATE
THE COMMITTEE'S WORK TO MAKE
SURE THAT THIS ACTUALLY DOES
WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO. THANK
YOU ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. ON BEHALF OF SOLANO
BORDER SUPERVISORS AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION? OKAY
SEE NONE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
AND THEN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
ASK FOR MY VOTE. THANK YOU.
SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
HE ACCEPTED HIM IN MOTION IS DUE
PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS
FLORA FLORA, I ADDIS. THAT IS I.
FRIEDMAN HOOVER. I ER I BAD THIS
DIVERT SUKI. SUKI I PELLERIN AND
I WARD. I WOULD WOULD ICEBERG
SPUR? AYE. THAT BILL HAS 10
VOLTS WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR THE
ABSENT MEMBER. THANK YOU. WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR
THE CONSENT CALENDAR. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. ITEMS SOUND LIKE
IT'S SET CALENDAR ARE A B 297 A
B 706 88 89 98 MAYBE 11 72 AND A
B 12 79 RIVAS. BY RIVAS I FLORA.
FLORA I ADDIS. AYE, FRIEDMAN.
HOOVER HOOVER. I. MATHIS MATHIS
EMERGED. SUKI SUKI I PELLERIN
PELLERIN AWARD AWARD. I WOULD
WOULD ICEBERG. OSBORNE? AYE.
OKAY WE HAVE 10 VOTES. WE'LL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR THE ABSENT
MEMBER. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'RE
READY. SORRY. TO LIFT THE CALL.
AH, OKAY. OKAY? BUT WE HAVE A
FEW WILL DO THE ONES. YEAH.
OKAY? WE'LL START WITH ITEM ONE
A. B 43. THE MOTION IS DUE PAST
AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
ABSENT MEMBERS, FRIEDMAN FOR I.
OKAY, THAT BILL HAS SEVEN. WE'LL
LEAVE IT OPEN. NEXT ITEM FOUR. A
B 3 88. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
TO APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT
MEMBERS, FRIEDMAN WARD WARD.
AYE. HAS 10 VOTES LEAVE IT OPEN
FOR THE ABSENT MEMBER. ITEM
FIVE. A B 6 92. THE MOTION IS
DUE PAST TWO APPROPRIATIONS
ABSENT MEMBERS, FRIEDMAN WARD.
WORD. I. HAS NINE VOTES WILL
LEAVE IT OPEN. ITEMS SIX ABC 704
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBERS,
FRIEDMAN WARD. WARD. I NINE
VOTES. ITEM 10 NÓ EXCUSE ME.
SORRY. 11 ITEM 11. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBERS,
ATIS AYE, FRIEDMAN. MATHIS I
AWARD WARD. I. THAT WAS ITEM 11
A B A TWO. OKAY THAT BILL HAS 10
VOLTS WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR THE
ABSENT MEMBER. 14 14 14 A B 11
67 MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBERS,
FRIEDMAN BERT BERT? AYE. SEVEN.
THAT BILL HAS SEVEN VOTES. A B.
ITEMS 16 11 95 MOTION IS DUE
PAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBERS,
FRIEDMAN MATHIS MASTERS SNOW
WARD. WARD. I. IT HAS SEVEN
VOTES. ITEM 18 A B 13 47 MOTION
IS DO PASS THE PRIVACY AND
CONSUMER PROTECTION. ABSOLUTELY.
MEMBERS, FLORA FRIEDMAN.
SPERBER. AYE. SO HAS SEVEN VOTES
WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. I BELIEVE WE'RE DONE.
WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FRIEDMAN. THANK
YOU.
SOME OF YOUR MEMBERS WORKING I
NEVER HEAR AWARD. WARD IS ON
YOUR OKAY? SO WE'RE READY FOR I
DON'T WE'LL START WITH ONE A B
43. MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT
MEMBER OF FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN.
AYE. IMPORTS. THAT BILL HAS
EIGHT VOTES. IT'S OUT. ITEM
FOUR. MAYBE 3 88. MOTION IS DUE
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT
MEMBER FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I HAS
11. BILL HAS 11 VOTES. SEVERAL
IS OUT. ITEM 5 86 92. MOTION IS
DUE PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS
ABSENT MEMBER FRIEDMAN EQUIPMENT
STOP VOTING. THAT HAS DONE BILL
HAS NINE VOTES. THAT BILL IS
OUT. ITEM SIX. MAYBE 704. MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBER
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. AYE. WHO HAS
10 VOTES. IT'S OUT. ITEM NINE. A
B 84849. MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT
MEMBERS. FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN AYE.
IT HAS EIGHT VOTES THAT'S OUT.
ITEM 10. A B EIGHT. 63. MOTION
IS DUE PAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBER
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. AYE. EIGHT
VOLTS THAT'S OUT. ITEM 11 A B 8
82. MOTION IS DUE PAST AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT
MEMBER FRIEDMAN PREGNANT. I LOVE
IT. BILL HAS 11 VOTES. IT'S OUT.
ITEM 12 89 09 MOTION IS DUE PAST
AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
ABSENT MEMBER FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN
. I LOVE IT HAS 11 VOTES THAT'S
OUT. A B ITEM 14 A B 11 67
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT MEMBERS.
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN AYE. HAS EIGHT
VOTES THAT IS OUT. ITEMS 16 11
95. MOTION IS DUE PAST AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS ABSENT
MEMBER OF FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN.
AYE. HAS EIGHT VOTES THAT'S OUT
AND ITEM 18 A B 13 47 DO PASS TO
PRIVACY AND CONSUMER PROTECTION
COMMITTEE ABSENT MEMBER FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN. AYE. IT HAS EIGHT
VOTES THAT'S OUT NEXT TO CONSENT
CALENDAR. UM ABSENT MEMBER
FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN. I HAS. 11
VOTES. THAT'S CONTENT CALENDARS
OUT MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
THANKS. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO
MUCH. WELL, WE ALSO LIKE I HAVE
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