GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WE'RE
GOING TO GET STARTED AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE. WE WILL THEN, UH,
ESTABLISHED QUORUM. ONCE WE HAVE
FOLKS HERE I KNOW WE HAVE TWO
AUTHORS ALREADY THAT ARE EAGER
TO PRESENT SO WELL. GIVE THEM
THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. WELL,
WELCOME. WE ARE NOW CALLING TO
ORDER THE ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE AND
UTILITIES AND ENERGY HEARING.
AND I'LL ASK THE SERGEANT,
PLEASE CALL THE ABSENT MEMBERS
BEFORE WE MOVE THE AGENDA OF A
FEW HOUSEKEEPING ANNOUNCEMENTS
TO MAKE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TINA
MAKIN. ER WILL BE SUBSTITUTING
FOR ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S REBECCA
BAUER-KAHAN REMEMBER DIANE DIXON
WILL BE SUBSTITUTED FOR SOME
MEMBER JIM PATTERSON. WELCOME.
TODAY WE HAVE 13 MEASURES ON THE
AGENDA SEVEN OR CONSENT. AND AS
ALWAYS, WE WILL MAINTAIN THE
QUORUM DURING THE HEARING, AS IS
CUSTOMARY IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM
ALL OF THE PUBLIC WITNESSES
WITHIN THEIR TIME LIMITS. OF
COURSE, WE WILL NOT PERMIT OR,
UH, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, AND WE
DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THE
SERGEANTS TO REMOVE FOLKS FROM
THE ROOM. TESTIMONY IS LIMITED
TO FOUR MINUTES TOTAL TWO
MINUTES SUPPORT TWO MINUTES.
OPPOSITION FOR ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES. ON THE MEASURE, ONLY
STATE YOUR NAME, POSITION AND
AFFILIATION, IF ANY IF WE EXCEED
THIS TIME, PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR
TESTIMONY THROUGH THE EMAIL
ADDRESS ON YOUR WEBSITE. AND SO
WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, BUT WE
WILL ASK THE FIRST MEMBER UM, TO
PRESENT WILL BE MR BERMAN. AND I
WILL JUST MENTIONED THAT A B 16
64 7 MEMBER, FRIEDMAN'S BILL WAS
PULLED OFF OF THE CONSENT
CALENDAR AND WE WILL BE HEARING
THAT, UM AS WELL. SO THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR AND COLLEAGUES FIRST. I
REALLY WANT TO THANK COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS
BILL. I WILL BE ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS
THAT FURTHER CLARIFY THE BILL.
INDUSTRIAL EMISSIONS ARE THE
SECOND LARGEST SOURCE OF
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN
CALIFORNIA. WHILE THE STATE
CONTINUES TO BE A LEADER IN
TRANSITIONING FROM COMBUSTION,
20 EMISSION TECHNOLOGIES IN THE
ELECTRICITY AND TRANSPORTATION
SECTORS, INDUSTRIAL EMISSIONS
HAVE LARGELY REMAINED
UNADDRESSED. THEREFORE WE MUST
IDENTIFY THE LOW HANGING FRUIT
IN INDUSTRIAL ELECTRIFICATION
THAT CAN HELP CALIFORNIA MEET
ITS CARBON NEUTRALITY GOALS. IF
WE DO NOT START PLANNING NOW WE
RISK A DISORDERLY, EXPENSIVE AND
LAST MINUTE EFFORT TO REDUCE
INDUSTRIAL EMISSIONS TO MEET OUR
CLIMATE GOALS. MAYBE 8 41 IS A
KEY FIRST STEP FOR CALIFORNIA TO
PUSH THE TRANSITION OF OUR
INDUSTRIAL SECTORS TO ZERO
EMISSION BY TASKING. THE
CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION
WITH WITH PREPARING AND
INDUSTRIAL HEAT ELECTRIFICATION
ROADMAP. ON OR BEFORE JANUARY. 1
2025 THIS REPORT WILL PROVIDE A
CRITICAL INFORMATION FOR THE
STATE TO CONTINUE IN OUR EFFORTS
TO REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS, AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE
AND WITH ME TODAY ARE THE BILL'S
SPONSORS MARK FINSTER MAKER ON
BEHALF OF JUSTICE AND KAYLA
ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF
INDUSTRIOUS LABS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MR CHAIR MARK FINSTER
MAKER ON BEHALF OF EARTH
JUSTICE, A PROUD CO SPONSOR OF
THE BILL. AS MR BERMAN JUST
NOTED. INDUSTRIAL EMISSIONS ARE
THE SECOND LARGEST FOR
GREENHOUSE GASSES IN THE STATE.
BUT IN ADDITION, THERE ARE ALSO
A KEY SOURCE OF LARGE QUANTITIES
OF CRITERIA, AIRPORT POLLUTANTS
AND TOXIC AIR CONTAMINANTS THAT
ADD TO THE HEAVY AIR POLLUTION
THAT BURDENS PRIMARILY LOW
INCOME AND UNDER RESOURCED
COMMUNITIES. UNFORTUNATELY
EMISSIONS FROM THIS SECTOR HAVE
REMAINED FLAT OR EVEN RISEN IN
RECENT YEARS, AND WE HAVE
CONTINUED TO HEAR THAT THEY'RE
HARD TO DE CARBONIZED OR HARD TO
ELECTRIFY. BUT TECHNOLOGY IS
DEVELOPING FAST. THESE
INDUSTRIAL SUB SECTORS SUCH AS
FOOD MANUFACTURING AND
COMMERCIAL BAKERIES, PAPER AND
PULP PRODUCTION, GLASS
MANUFACTURING AND BEVERAGE
PRODUCTION. CAN BE TRANSITION TO
ELECTRIC ZERO EMISSION
APPLIANCES. AND WE ARE SEEING
SOME MOVEMENT AT THE LOCAL
LEVEL, SUCH AS AT THE SOUTH
COAST AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT
DISTRICT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY
CONSIDERING A COMMERCIAL OVEN
ROLE, SETTING A STANDARD FOR
SOME INDUSTRIAL GRADE OVEN
CATEGORIES TO BE ALL ELECTRIC
THE POTENTIAL TO ELECTRIFY
COMMERCIAL OVENS AND BOILERS AND
TRANSITION TO INDUSTRIAL HEAT
PUMPS ELIMINATE WILL ELIMINATE A
MAJOR SOURCE OF EMISSIONS AND
COMMUNITIES ACROSS CALIFORNIA
THAT ARE OVERBURDENED BY AIR
POLLUTION. BUT TO MAKE THIS
TRANSITION HAPPEN, WE NEED TO
EVALUATE WHICH INDUSTRIAL
PROCESSES CAN FEASIBLY ELECTRIFY
CREATIVE FOCUS ON ON BENEFITING
UNDER RESOURCED COMMUNITIES AS
QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND DEVELOP
A PLAN TO PULL THIS TRANSITION
TOGETHER, AND THAT'S WHERE A B 8
41 PROPOSES. WE WANT TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BERMAN FOR
AUTHORING THIS BILL AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I
VOTE. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND
MEMBERS KAYLA ROBINSON ON BEHALF
OF INDUSTRIOUS LABS IN OREGON
ORGANIZATION, LEADING EFFORTS TO
DE CARBONIZED THE GLOBAL
INDUSTRIAL SECTOR BY 2045.
CALIFORNIA IS A LEADER IN
MANUFACTURING AS WE KNOW AND
CRITICALLY, WE HAVE A HOST OF
INDUSTRIES THAT ARE HAVE SIMPLE,
CLEAN ENERGY BASED SOLUTIONS TO
REDUCING EMISSIONS. DESPITE
KNOWING THAT THESE SOLUTIONS
EXIST, THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE A
ROAD MAP. ON HOW TO
STRATEGICALLY ELECTRIFY LOW HEAT
PORTIONS OF THIS SECTOR. THE U.
S DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY IS
ALLOCATING APPROXIMATELY $6
BILLION IN FUNDING TO ACCELERATE
THE DECARBONIZATION OF ENERGY
INTENSIVE INDUSTRIES, AND
ADDITIONALLY, CALIFORNIA ITSELF
PLANS TO INVEST AT LEAST 90
MILLION OF ITS OWN DOLLARS
TOWARDS HARMONIZING THE SECTOR.
SO WITHOUT AN ELECTRIFICATION,
ROADMAP AND CURRENT DATA TO HELP
GUIDE THIS FUNDING MOVING
FORWARD, CALIFORNIA WILL MISS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS THESE
FEDERAL FUNDS AND STRATEGICALLY
INVEST $8 IN THE MOST COST
EFFECTIVE WAY. UM IT'S A B 841
IS CRITICAL TO GUIDING THESE
INVESTMENTS IN STRATEGY, THE
STRATEGY NECESSARY TO
DECARBONIZATION SECTOR. SO FOR
THESE REASONS, RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU WILL ASK TO SEE IF THERE'S
ANYONE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION
PRIMARY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. OKAY SEE, NO ONE
COMES FORWARD. I WILL OPEN IT UP
FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANYONE CAN
SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE
BILL. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
AFFILIATION AND YOUR POSITION.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, ROD BREWER FOR SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA EDISON HERE IN
SUPPORT. FOR A SINGLE MEMBER,
BERMAN'S BILL SO SURPRISED.
THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE? OKAY I'LL
BRING HIM BACK TO DICE ANY
QUESTIONS FOR THE AUTHOR. YOUR
COMMENTS. COMPLAINTS HOPE NOT
ALRIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO
MOVE HIS BILL MOTION AND A
SECOND AND AT THE RIGHT MOMENT
WILL TAKE FULL ACTION. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY ASK
PRIVATE. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK
YOU. BILL DOES HAVE A SUPPORT
RECOMMENDATION WITH THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE ACCEPTED.
OKAY? ITEM THREE. MAYBE 11 98,
MR GRAYSON.
FIRST ABOUT MICROPHONE FOR BOTH
OF YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS AND I WOULD ALSO
LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE. AS
WELL FOR THEIR WORK ON THE BILL
AND WOULD LIKE TO ACCEPT
COMMITTEE SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS.
I AM PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU A
B 11 98, WHICH ESTABLISHES THE
EQUITY AND ENERGY TASK FORCE TO
DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY
AIMED AT ADDRESSING EQUITY AND
PARTICIPATION IN THE ENERGY
INDUSTRY. CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN
AND CONTINUES TO BE A GLOBAL
LEADER ON CLIMATE CHANGE POLICY
AND AS A RESULT THE STATE HAS
MADE SIGNIFICANT AND SUSTAINED
INVESTMENTS TOWARDS PROGRAMS
WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO REDUCE
CALIFORNIA'S GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS, OFFERING A VARIETY OF
FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO ADVANCE
THE STATE'S TRANSITION TO CLEAN
ENERGY AND TRANSPORTATION.
FURTHERMORE SMALL BUSINESSES OR
SMALL BUSINESS ENTERPRISE PLAY A
CRITICAL ROLE IN FIGHTING
CLIMATE CHANGE CALIFORNIA SMALL
BUSINESSES. ACCOUNT FOR 99.8% OF
BUSINESS AND 1.2 MILLION ARE
MINORITY OWNED, WHILE THEY EACH
CAN HAVE A RELATIVELY SMALL
CARBON FOOTPRINT, THE OVERALL
IMPACT OF THOSE EMISSIONS CAN BE
HUGE, DESPITE THE SIGNIFICANT
ROLE THAT MINORITY SMALL
BUSINESSES HAVE IN THE CLEAN
ENERGY TRANSITION, THERE REMAINS
A HUGE GAP. IN MINORITY SMALL
BUSINESS ENTERPRISE
PARTICIPATION IN THE MARKET
TRANSITION TO A LOW CARBON
FUTURE. SMALL BUSINESSES MAY
LACK THE SAME RESOURCES AND
SUPPORT UH, AND SUPPORT THAT
LARGER CORPORATIONS HAVE WHEN IT
COMES TO REDUCING EMISSIONS AND
IMPLEMENTING NEW TECHNOLOGIES
AND OPERATIONS. IT IS ESSENTIAL
THAT MINORITY ENTERPRISES
ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE IN
DELIVERING SOLUTIONS THAT HELP
CALIFORNIA ACHIEVE ITS
AGGRESSIVE CLIMATE GOALS. BUT
THE STATE NEEDS TO SUPPORT
DISADVANTAGED BUSINESSES BY
PROVIDING EFFECTIVE PATHWAYS AND
RESOURCES TO CREATE COMMUNITY
WEALTH BUILDING OPPORTUNITIES. A
B 11 98 ESTABLISHES THE EQUITY
AND ENERGY TASK FORCE TO TAKE A
COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT ALL ENERGY
RELATED POLICIES IN CALIFORNIA
AND IDENTIFY GAPS THAT MAY EXIST
FOR MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES
AND THEIR EMPLOYEES. BY
ESTABLISHING THIS TASK FORCE.
MAYBE 11 98 WILL HELP US ACHIEVE
OUR CLIMATE GOALS AND SUPPORT
ARTIST. ESSENTIAL SMALL
BUSINESSES. WITH THAT, AND
THROUGH THE CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE
TO INTRODUCE MY WITNESSES. PAT
FONG, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE
CALIFORNIA ASIAN CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE, AS WELL AS, UH JULIAN
CANETTI, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF
CALIFORNIA. HISPANIC CHAMBERS OF
COMMERCE. PLEASE PROCEED. GOOD
AFTERNOON. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME?
OKAY OKAY. HERE WE GO. ALRIGHT
BETTER. OKAY GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR GARCIA AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. MISS PAT PHªN KUSHIDA
I'M PRESIDENCY OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASIAN PACIFIC CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE. THE COLLISION CHAMBER
WAS FORMED IN 2010 AND
REPRESENTS OVER 600,000 AND
ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC
ISLANDER OWNED BUSINESSES ACROSS
CALIFORNIA. I WANT TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TIM GRAYSON FOR
AUTHORING A B 11 19 8 ALONG WITH
THE OTHER MEMBERS THAT HAVE CO
AUTHORED THIS PIVOTAL PIECE OF
LEGISLATION. AS THE STATE MAKES
ITS TRANSITION WITH THE GOAL OF
ACHIEVING CARBON NEUTRALITY BY
2045 TOGETHER WITH OUR STATEWIDE
ETHNIC CHAMBERS AND OUR SMALL
BUSINESS COALITION. WE WANT TO
EMPHASIZE THAT SMALL BUSINESSES
PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN
COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE AND
NEED SUPPORT TO FULLY
PARTICIPATE IN THIS TRANSITION
TO A GREEN ECONOMY. AS THE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER REFERENCE
CALIFORNIA'S SMALL BUSINESS
ACCOUNTS FOR 99.8% OF ALL
BUSINESSES HERE IN CALIFORNIA,
AND 30% OF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE
MINORITY OWNED, AND INDIVIDUAL
SMALL BUSINESS CAN HAVE A
RELATIVELY SMALL CARBON
FOOTPRINT. BUT COLLECTIVELY, THE
IMPACT OF THOSE EMISSIONS ARE
SIGNIFICANT IN ORDER TO REACH
THE STATE SCHOOL OF ACHIEVING
CARBON NEUTRALITY. IT'S
IMPERATIVE TO INCENTIVIZE AND
ASSIST SMALL BUSINESSES TO MAKE
CLEAN ENERGY INVESTMENTS. WE
COMMEND THE STATE FOR MAKING
INVESTMENTS TOWARDS PROGRAMS
AIMED AT REDUCING CALIFORNIA'S
GREENHOUSE GAS ADMISSIONS,
HOWEVER. FOR SMALL BUSINESSES
MAY LACK THE SAME RESOURCES AND
SUPPORT THAT LARGER COMPANIES
HAVE TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION. WE
ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF A B 11 98
AS THIS SPILL WILL ESTABLISH THE
EQUITY AND ENERGY TASK FORCE TO
TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK. AT
ALL THE ENERGY RELATED MANDATES
AND POLICIES WITHIN CALIFORNIA
AND IDENTIFY THE GAPS AND
BARRIERS THAT EXIST. FOR A
MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES. THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIRMAN,
COMMITTEE MEMBERS JOINED KINETIC
PRESIDENT, CEO OF THE CALIFORNIA
HISPANIC CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE.
WE ARE PLEASED TO CO SPONSOR A B
11 98, AND WE WANT TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAYSON NOT
ONLY FOR OFFERING THE BILL
BEFORE HIS ENTHUSIASM ABOUT THE
BILL AND CARRYING IT FORWARD,
AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK
HIS STAFF AND THE COMMITTEE
CONSULTANT FOR THEIR HARD WORK
AND EFFORT ON THIS PIECE OF
LEGISLATION. MAYBE 11 98 SIMPLY
ESTABLISHES A 15 MEMBER CAST
FORCE WITHIN GÓMEZ. WE ARE HAPPY
TO SAY THAT THIS TASK FORCE
WOULD ALSO INCLUDE
REPRESENTATION FROM CALIFORNIA'S
ETHNIC AND DIVERSE COMMUNITIES.
THE BILL WOULD TAKE A DEEPER
DIVE INTO HOW ENERGY POLICIES
WILL AND HAVE IMPACTED SMALL
BUSINESSES. THE TASK FORCE WILL
THEN PROVIDE A REPORT WITH
STATISTICS AND DATA THAT CAN
HELP SHAPE BETTER THE POLICIES
AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION WHAT
TRULY NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ASSIST
SMALL BUSINESSES AND VERY ISSUE
VARIOUS ISSUES, INCLUDING ACCESS
TO CAPITAL, ETCETERA TO FULFILL
OBLIGATIONS REQUIRED BY THESE
POLICIES AND PERHAPS RESHAPING
THESE POLICIES WERE
EXPERIENCING. SOME ISSUES NOW
WHEN WE HAVE COMPANIES THAT ARE
TRYING TO GO GREEN AND ARE THEY
GETTING THE ASSISTANCE AND THE
GRANTS THAT THEY REALLY NEED OUT
THERE? WE LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE TASK
FORCE ON THESE ISSUES. OUTLINED
THIS BILL AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRESS DRESS
YOU THIS AFTER AFTERNOON, AND WE
ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF BABY 11
98. THANK YOU, SIR. WE WILL ASK
TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PRIMARY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION AND
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL, PLEASE
COME FORWARD. SEE NO ONE. WE
WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC
COMMENTS. YOU MAY, UH I WISH TO
EXPRESS YOUR SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION TO THE BILL, YOUR
NAME, AFFILIATION AND AGAIN YOUR
POSITION, MAYBE CLEARLY WITH A G
GLOBAL SOLUTIONS REPRESENTING
THE BLACK FRESNO METRO BLACK
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND SUPPORT
. AUSTRALIAN MEMBERS MILICIC GUY
WITH THE CALIFORNIA AFRICAN
AMERICAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND
STRONG SUPPORT IN THE PROD
CORRESPONDENCE ER. OKAY, SO YOU
NO ONE ELSE. BRING IT TO THE
DIOCESE. EMOTIONAL ECONOMY
SECOND. SHOWER. UM ANY
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? AND OKAY?
YEP. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
US FORWARD IN THE SPONSORS. UM
AND YOU KNOW, AS A SMALL
BUSINESS OWNER, I KNOW HOW HARD
IT CAN BE AND WANT TO BE ADDED
ON AS A CO AUTHOR. IF YOU'D HAVE
ME LOVE TO SUPPORT THE BILL,
THANK YOU. I WOULD BE HONORED TO
HAVE YOU ASK ARTHUR. ALL RIGHT.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION. RESPECTFULLY
ASKED FOR AND I VOTE. WE WILL
TAKE THE ACTION. ONCE WE
ESTABLISH QUORUM AGAIN. THANK
YOU FOR PRESENTING. MR GABRIEL.
PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS AND I
WANT TO START BY ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS. I WANT TO
THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR
YOUR THOUGHTFUL FEEDBACK AND
ASSISTANCE HERE. I WILL BE VERY
BRIEF. WE HAVE INTRODUCED A
NUMBER OF BILLS THIS YEAR AROUND
THE IDEA OF EXPANDING OUR EVIE
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE
STATE. OBVIOUSLY WITH THE
GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER,
WE'RE NO LONGER TO BE SELLING
INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES HERE
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND
JUST A FEW YEARS AND WE HAVE
NOWHERE NEAR THE E V DEPLOYMENT.
INFRASTRUCTURE NOWHERE NEAR THE
DEPLOYMENT OF E V CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO
BE READY FOR THAT FUTURE. AND SO
WE HAVE INTRODUCED A NUMBER OF
PROPOSALS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT
TO TRY TO EXPEDITE THE
DEPLOYMENT OF EV CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THIS IS A
VERY SMALL PIECE OF THAT PACKAGE
OF BILLS THAT WE HAVE INTRODUCED
TO BASICALLY TAKE A LOOK AT HOW
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONVERT GAS
STATIONS WHERE APPROPRIATE,
PARTICULARLY ALONG TRANSIT
CORRIDORS FOR FOLKS WHO ARE
GOING TO TAKE LONGER TRIPS INTO
TO IDENTIFY WHAT WOULD BE THE
FINANCIAL INCENTIVE. AND
REGULATORY INCENTIVES TO GET
FOLKS TO INSTALL CHARGING AT GAS
STATIONS. I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT
WE WILL BE WHERE WE NEED TO BE
WHEN FILLING UP WHEN CHARGING
YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLES AS EASY
AS FILLING UP YOUR TANK AT A GAS
STATION, AND WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR
THAT YET, SO WE'RE HOPING TO
LOOK AT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE
INCENTIVES. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE
REGULATORY BOUNDARIES? HOW CAN
WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OF
THESE, UM GAS STATIONS,
PARTICULARLY ALONG OUR MAIN
TRANSIT CORRIDORS PROVIDE EVIE
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE THERE SO
FOLKS CAN OH, GET OVER SOME OF
THEIR RANGE ANXIETY HAVE
CONFIDENCE IN PERSON ELECTRIC
VEHICLES AND WE CAN MOVE TOWARDS
THE FUTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE
BETTER FOR OUR PLANET AND BETTER
FOR OUR KIDS. SO WITH THAT WOULD
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I VOTE.
THANK YOU. YOU HAVE ANY PRIMARY
WITNESSES FOR THE BILL, ALL
RIGHT. AND ANYONE. WISHING TO BE
PRIVATE WITNESS AN OPPOSITION
OKAY, SO NO. ONE I'LL OPEN IT UP
FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. WISHING TO
SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENTS. NONE
BRING IT BACK TO THE DICE
QUESTIONS. COMMENTS? YES. I JUST
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS
FORWARD AS SOMEONE WHO DID MAKE
THAT DRIVE FROM L. A TO
SACRAMENTO UNDERSTAND THAT RANGE
ANXIETY. VERY, VERY WELL. UM,
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S
REALLY CRITICAL THAT WE FIGURE
THIS OUT SO THAT PEOPLE FEEL
SAFE AND SECURE AND MAKING THIS
TRANSITION WOULD LOVE TO BE
ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR, AND YOU
KNOW, I HAVE A SELECT COMMITTEE
ON E V. CHARGING WHICH YOU WERE
A PART OF, I THINK UM AND, UH,
AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND LOOK
FORWARD TO HAVING SOME
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU FIND
THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU WILL BE HONORED TO
HAVE YOU ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IS THERE
A MOTION TO MOVE THE BILL? SO
MANY SECOND. ALRIGHT WE'RE MORE
SECOND. WE'LL TAKE ACTION WHEN
WE WARM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. I THINK THAT'S MY
QUICKEST EVER. SO THANK YOU. UM
CHARGES. WILL YOU PLEASE? UM ONE
CALLED MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
AND THE SECOND WOULD BE AUTHORS.
WE WANT AUTHORS.
OH, YES. RID OF IT. YES.
TEENAGER.
WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CALLS. I LOVE
THAT. YEAH.
YEAH.
RIGHT? BACK TO OUR REGULAR
SCHEDULED MEETING HERE. WELCOME
ITEM SIX A B 15 50 MR BENNETT
ROGERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS WILL START BY
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS LISTED IN THE
ANALYSIS AND THANK THE CHAIR AND
THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR ALL
THEIR WORK ON THIS. YOU KNOW,
CALIFORNIA HAS VERY AMBITIOUS
GOALS TO REACH 100% CLEAN GRID
BY 2045. SPECIFICALLY OUR GRID
REQUIRED TO BE POWERED BY 100%
100% BY RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO
STANDARDS OR THE RPS ELIGIBLE
SOURCES, WHICH INCLUDE BIODIESEL
, BIOMASS, BIO, METHANE,
GEOTHERMAL, SOLAR AND WIND. MUCH
OF OUR RECENT FOCUS HAS BEEN ON
INCREASING THE USE OF WIND BOTH
ON LAND AND OFFSHORE AND SOLAR,
PAIRED WITH BATTERY STORAGE. AND
ALTHOUGH I'M A FIRM BELIEVER
THAT SOLAR AND WIND OFFER US
EXTRAORDINARY CLIMATE BENEFITS,
WE JUST SAW LAST YEAR THAT THE
SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND PROJECT
DELAYS, COUPLED WITH CLIMATE
CHANGE CAN LEAD TO REAL AND
SERIOUS RELIABILITY ISSUES, ONE
OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS
OR RELIABILITY ISSUES WITHOUT
HAVING TO RELY ON NATURAL GAS
LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR IS TO USE
HYDROGEN TO HELP POWER GRID. IT
HAS MULTIPLE USES IN ONE OF THE
PARTICULARLY STRONG POINTS ABOUT
HYDROGEN IS IT CAN BE A GOOD
LONG TERM STORAGE SOURCE. UM
THAT YOU WON'T GET WITH SOME OF
THE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE. UM
ENORMOUS POTENTIAL TO PROVIDE
CLEAN ENERGY WITHOUT GREENHOUSE
GAS ADMISSIONS. UM HOWEVER,
THERE ARE VERY REAL CONCERNS
ABOUT WHETHER HYDROGEN CAN LIVE
UP TO ITS POTENTIAL. AND A B 15
66 TO BRING GREATER CERTAINTY TO
EVERYBODY BY MAKING CLEAR THAT
ANY OF THE HYDROGEN USED AND
PRODUCED IN THE STATE MUST BE
GREEN BY THE SAME DEADLINE THAT
WE HAVE FOR THE GRID CURRENTLY,
SO IT'S TRYING TO PUT MOLECULES
ON PAR WITH ELECTRONS IN TERMS
OF THE GRID. BRINGING GREATER
CERTAINTY ABOUT CALIFORNIA'S
GOAL REGARDING HYDROGEN PRODUCES
THREE MAJOR BENEFITS ONE
INVESTORS AND HYDROGEN PROJECTS
BENEFIT FROM INCREASED CERTAINTY
BY KNOWING THAT THE INVESTMENTS
THEY MAKE TODAY WILL BE USED
GOING FORWARD AS LONG AS THEY
PLAN TO ACHIEVE A STANDARD OF
100% GREEN BY 2045. AND I CAN'T
UNDERESTIMATE THE IMPORTANCE OF
THAT, AS WE TALKED TO INVESTORS
IS AN CERTAINTY IS KILLS THEM
WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHETHER TO MAKE MASSIVE
INVESTMENTS, TOO, WILL HAVE LESS
UNCERTAINTY AND CONCERN AS TO
WHETHER HYDROGEN PROJECTS ARE
GOING TO BE USED TO EXTEND THE
LIFE CYCLE OF OIL AND GAS,
HARMING LOCAL COMMUNITIES WITH
POLLUTANTS AND EMISSIONS. AND
THREE. THERE ARE SERIOUS
CONCERNS THAT IF WE DO NOT MOVE
FORWARD TO BEGIN ESTABLISHING AN
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR HYDROGEN SOON
, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TIMELY
DE CARBONIZED HARD TO ELECTRIFY
SECTORS AND THEN INDUSTRY WILL
NOT APPROPRIATELY INVEST IN
CALIFORNIA. I WANT TO BE CLEAR
AND SAY THAT I RECOGNIZE THE
BILL BEFORE YOU IS A WORK IN
PROGRESS AND THAT WE MAY NOT GET
TO A DEFINITION OF GREEN
HYDROGEN THAT WORKS FOR ALL
STAKEHOLDERS, BUT I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT ENOUGH ISSUE THAT WE
SHOULD HAVE THE ROBUST
DISCUSSION NOW AND IT WILL TAKE
TIME. AS WE GO FORWARD. THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY
BEGUN LAUNCHING EFFORTS TO SPUR
CREATION OF A HYDROGEN ECONOMY.
58 MEMBERS OF THE ASSEMBLY
SIGNED ONTO A BILL SIGNED ONTO A
LETTER TO THE ADMINISTRATION
ASKING FOR HYDROGEN HUB TO BE
LOCATED HERE BILLION DOLLAR
INVESTMENT IN THAT HYDROGEN HUB
UM AND, UH WHAT WE MUST BEGIN TO
CONSIDER IS WHAT THAT HYDROGEN
ECONOMY LOOKS LIKE AND ENSURE
THAT IT MEETS OUR PRACTICAL
NEEDS WHILE BEING CONSISTENT
WITH OUR GOALS OF A CARBON FREE
ENVIRONMENT FOR CALIFORNIA. UM I
JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT,
UM THE AMENDMENTS CREATED BY THE
COMMITTEE JUST RELEASED LAST
NIGHT, REALLY APPRECIATE THE
HARD WORK AND SIGNIFICANT
IMPROVEMENT. IT'S PRETTY HARD TO
HAVE A BILL THAT SAYS THAT WE'RE
GOING TO BE 100% GREEN HYDROGEN
BY 2045 IF YOU DON'T HAVE A
DEFINITION OF GREEN HYDROGEN,
YOU HAVE ENDEAVORED TO COME UP
WITH THAT, AND I KNOW THERE WILL
STILL BE MORE CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT THAT. SO I'M CERTAINLY
WILLING TO ACCEPT THIS AS THE
BEGINNING PART OF A LONGER
CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AS IT
MOVES FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU. SO, MEMBER. DO
YOU HAVE ANY PRIMARY WITNESSES?
OKAY ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION? UM AS A PRIMARY
WITNESS, PLEASE COME FORWARD TWO
MINUTES. WHERE WE LIKE. TWO
MINUTES TO EACH WITNESS, AND
THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC
COMMENTS. YOU GOT ME SURROUND
ME. SURROUNDED CHAIR, REMEMBERS
MIKHAIL SKVARLA HERE ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN
COALITION IN CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN
BUSINESS COUNCIL WHILE WE SHARE
THE DESIRE AND THE PRINCIPLE OF
DECARBONIZATION OF HYDROGEN BY
2045, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THIS
BILL IS READY TO MOVE OUT OF
COMMITTEE AND THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS CREATE SIGNIFICANT
FINANCIAL RISKS. FOR MAJOR
PROJECTS AND EVEN THE FEDERAL
HUB OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US.
THE APPLICATIONS ARE DUE APRIL
7TH. SO ANY AMENDMENTS THAT
COUNTER THAT COULD RISK OR
OPPORTUNITY TO WIN LEGISLATURE
DID THE RIGHT THING LAST YEAR IN
ADOPTING SB 10 75, WHICH
INSTRUCTS CARB CPU C AND C C TO
PROVIDE AN IN DEPTH ANALYSIS ON
HYDROGEN, AND IT'S DIFFERENT
PRODUCTION PATHWAYS AND ANY
USES. WE SHOULD ALLOW THAT WORK
TO TAKE PLACE AND RECEIVE THAT
REPORT BACK BEFORE MOVING
FORWARD WITH THIS. ADDITIONALLY
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE THIS
BILL MAY BE EFFECTIVE IN 2045,
THAT'S NOT HOW WE REGULATE IN
CALIFORNIA. THE MINUTE THIS HAS
PASSED, REGULATIONS WILL START
TO BE RATCHETED DOWN, WHICH
COULD HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON
INVESTMENT GOING FORWARD. TO
THAT END, THE BILL DOES RESTRICT
THE USE OF SOME OF THE BEST
CARBON REDUCTION OPPORTUNITIES
AS IDENTIFIED BY LAWRENCE
LIVERMORE NATIONAL LABORATORY
AND THE ELIMINATION OF BIOMASS
AND BIOGAS DIRECT PRODUCTION. WE
COULD INDIRECTLY PRODUCED BASED
ON THESE AMENDMENTS WHERE WE
COULD TAKE BIOMASS. BURN IT
THROUGH A FACILITY, CREATE
ELECTRICITY, THEN TAKE THAT
ELECTRICITY TO CREATE, UH,
ELECTROLYTIC HYDROGEN. IT IS FAR
MORE EFFECTIVE, LESS WASTEFUL
AND COST EFFECTIVE TO JUST TAKE
THE BIOMASS USE PARALYSIS AND
CONVERTED TO HYDROGEN DIRECTLY,
LEAVING SOLID CARBON IN A
NEGATIVE CARBON FUEL.
ADDITIONALLY THE AMENDMENTS
TAKEN IN THIS COMMITTEE PLACES
STANDARD ON HYDROGEN AS A
RENEWABLE TECHNOLOGY THAT NO
OTHER RENEWABLE TECHNOLOGY FACES
THAT INCLUDES THE REQUIREMENT TO
CO LOCATE THE INABILITY TO USE
REX, WHICH WAS ELIMINATED
ABILITY TO WHEEL ELECTRONS AT
NIGHT OR DAY. THESE THINGS ARE
CHILLING AND WOULD WOULD PREVENT
MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE
KNOW IN THE POWER SPACE FROM
GOING FORWARD. SO TO THAT END,
WE REALLY URGED COMMITTEE TO
HOLD THIS BILL TODAY. WE COMMIT
TO WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR, BUT
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT HYDROGEN
HAS A STAKE IN DECARBONIZATION.
IT IS OUR GOAL TO DE CARBONIZED
IN THE SAME PACE. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON NIGHT. CHERRY
GARCIA, MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS RYAN KENNY
WITH CLEAN ENERGY. MY COMPANY IS
THE NATION'S LARGEST PROVIDER OF
RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS,
TRANSPORTATION, FUEL, AND AT
SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WE CAN
RECONFIGURE ARE OVER 200
STATIONS HERE IN CALIFORNIA TO
DISPENSE HYDROGEN FOR MEDIUM
DUTY AND HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES.
BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY IN
APPRECIATION OF THE AUTHOR'S
INTENT TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION.
BUT WE THINK THE LANGUAGE AND
PRINT IS PREMATURE, AND THIS IS
A VERY NASCENT INDUSTRY THAT
HASN'T EVEN GOTTEN OFF THE
GROUND. YET. WE ARE MY COMPANY
COMPARES IT TO THE E V INDUSTRY
BACK IN THE 19 NINETIES. SO
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SETTING A
GOAL AT THIS POINT WHEN THE
INDUSTRY REALLY IS NASCENT AND
HASN'T GOTTEN OFF THE GROUND.
ALSO LAST YEAR, THIS COMMITTEE
DID PASS SB 10 75, WHICH
REQUIRES CARVED THE SEAT THE CDC
AND THE PUC TO STUDY HYDROGEN
AND PROVIDE EVALUATION BACKED BY
JUNE 1ST 2024. ALSO THE CC MUST
ALSO THROUGH THEIR IEPER PROCESS
IN 2023 2025 MODEL POTENTIAL
GROWTH AND LOOK AT
DECARBONIZATION FOR HYDROGEN IN
THE TRANSPORTATION AND
ELECTRICITY SECTORS. SO WE THINK
THIS BILL REALLY IS PREMATURE AT
THIS POINT AND AGAIN, WE DO
APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR WANTING TO
CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS. WE ASK
THAT THE BILL BE HELD IN
COMMITTEE ALSO, JUST ONE FINAL
POINT. WE DO BELIEVE IN THE
TRANSPORTATION SIDE THAT INSTEAD
OF USING COLORS LOOK AT USING A
CARBON INTENSITY FRAMEWORK AS AS
USED IN THE LOW CARBON FUEL
STANDARD, AND THAT REALLY IS
GOING TO ALLEVIATE A LOT OF
CONFUSION WITH STAKEHOLDERS
THAT'S EVEN MENTIONED THE 2022
CC HYPER STAKEHOLDERS HAD
CONCERNS ABOUT THE COLORS
INSTEAD OF A CARBON INTENSITY
FRAMEWORK. SO FOR THOSE REASONS,
WE ASKED THE BILL JUST BE HELD
FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. THANK
YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN
IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. NOW,
PLEASE TAKE YOUR NAME.
AFFILIATION AND POSITION. MR
CHAIR MEMBERS, JOHN WINGER ON
BEHALF OF THE COALITION FOR
RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS. WE HAVE
SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS WITH THE
AMENDMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED
TODAY WOULD URGE FURTHER
DISCUSSION ON THAT. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS CHRIS MOORE
ON BEHALF OF OVER ON FUELS. WE
OPPOSED THE BILL AS PROPOSED TO
BE AMENDED AS WELL. THANK YOU.
MR CHAIR CHRIS MCKAY LI ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
RENEWABLE TRANSPORTATION
ALLIANCE IN RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
PALMIERO, REPRESENTING WESTERN
STATES PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION IN
OPPOSITION. CHAIR MEMBERS,
IGNACIO HERNANDEZ ON BEHALF OF
THE UTILITY REFORM NETWORK TURN
HAS THE SUPPORT OF AMENDED
POSITION. WE DO APPRECIATE THE
AMENDMENTS AND ACTUALLY LIKE THE
AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY THE
COMMITTEE, THINK THE AUTHOR FOR
TAKING THEM AND LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR ON THIS
BILL. MR CHAIR MEMBERS, MIKE
MONEGAN ON BEHALF OF THE STATE
BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES
WERE IN OPPOSITION. THE CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. GREGG COOK
REPRESENT NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
POWER AGENCY. WE CERTAINLY
SUPPORT THE INTENT OF THE
LEGISLATION. THE AMENDMENTS THAT
WERE ADOPTED TODAY DO RAISE SOME
CONCERNS WITH US. WE LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
AUTHOR OF THE BILL GOES FORWARD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU KNOW,
ANNOUNCED, BRING IT BACK TO THE
HIGHEST QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW ME?
YEAH I GUESS MORE KIND OF A
REFLECTION ON THE POSTURE. I
MEAN, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE
AMENDMENTS. MY APPRECIATE THAT
THE WORK IS ONGOING, SO IT'S
MORE JUST KIND OF A TIMING.
QUESTION OF. WOULD IT BE
FEASIBLE TO COME BACK TO THIS
COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER
EVALUATION? I DID HAVE SOME
ORIGINAL QUESTIONS AROUND, UM
SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE
RAISED.
OKAY I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD. I
JUST WANT TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK
ON MY COLLEAGUES. UM COMMENTS
AND, UM, SOMETHING THAT THE
OPPOSITION RAISED, UH. THAT WE
JUST PASSED LAST YEAR, AND SO,
UM, WE HAVE NOT GOT THAT DATA
YET. SO IT'S JUST TO ME IT FEELS
A LITTLE PREMATURE TO BE, UM,
CONSIDERING THIS RIGHT NOW. UM
AND SO I WONDER IF YOU COULD
SPEAK TO THAT. BE HAPPY TO AND
NUMBER ONE. I REALLY APPRECIATE
THE QUESTIONS AND I THINK THAT
THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY
APPROPRIATE. WE DID JUST GET
THESE AMENDMENTS FROM THE
COMMITTEE. UM WE AND YOU GOT TO
CONDEMN THE AMENDMENTS JUST JUST
RECENTLY FROM THE COMMITTEE. AND
I WOULD JUST OFFER MY
PERSPECTIVE THAT THAT IT IS THIS
IS AN APPROPRIATE STARTING SPOT.
SO I WANT TO SORT OF ADDRESS THE
ISSUE OF TIMING. I DON'T THINK
THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WOULD KEEP
THIS COMMITTEE FROM SAYING WE
WANT THIS CONVERSATION TO GO
FORWARD, BUT WE RESERVE THE
RIGHT TO BRING THIS THING BACK
BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE CAN DO
THAT. THEY CAN BRING IT BACK AT
ANY TIME AND CORRECT ME IF I'M
WRONG, BUT I'M SURE I'M SURE
THAT SHARE GARCIA HAS NO
HESITATION IN TERMS OF BRINGING
IT BACK IF HE IF HE DECIDED THE
ADVANTAGE OF THIS MOVING FORWARD
IS AS YOU HEARD FROM THE TWO
OPPOSITION SPEAKERS HERE. IT'S A
COMPLICATED ISSUE. WHAT IS THE
DEFINITION OF GREEN HYDROGEN OR
CLEAN HYDROGEN OR CARBON FREE
HYDROGEN OR WHATEVER. AND SO
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT THIS
POINT IN TIME. BECAUSE IF
THERE'S NO BILL, THERE'S NO
CONVERSATION. IT IS WHAT IT
REALLY COMES OUT TO. PEOPLE HAVE
SO MANY THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO
BE FOCUSED ON THAT. YOU JUST
DON'T GET A SERIOUS
CONVERSATION. IF THIS BILL MOVES
THROUGH ITS FIRST COMMITTEE,
THEN I THINK YOU'LL ACTUALLY GET
PEOPLE TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT
ENGAGING IN THE IN THE
CONVERSATION AND THIS IS GOING
TO TAKE AWHILE. I DON'T
ANTICIPATE THIS BEING SOMETHING
WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON. BEFORE
WE END THIS SESSION. I THINK
THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A
CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT
I WE HAVE BEEN WE'VE BEEN GIVEN
A DEFINITION BY THE
ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS. ALL
OF THEM, I ASSUME YOU MAY HAVE
RECEIVED THEM, BUT IT IS VERY
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE INDUSTRY
HAS TALKED TO US ABOUT. AND THE
INDUSTRY. WE'VE ASKED THE
INDUSTRY GIVE US YOUR DEFINITION
THEN AND THEY HAVE PLEDGED THAT
THEY WILL GET THAT TO US, BUT
THEY HAVEN'T YET IF THIS
AMENDMENT. IF THIS IF THIS BILL
DIES OR DOESN'T MOVE TODAY, I
THINK IT MAY BE A LOT LONGER
BEFORE WE GET THESE TWO GROUPS
TO ACTUALLY ENGAGE, AND FOR US
TO HAVE, YOU KNOW A ROBUST
CONVERSATION, WHICH IS HOW WE
LEARN IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING
TO TAKE EITHER ONE'S DEFINITION.
BUT HOW WE LEARN WHAT THE BEST
THINGS ARE. AND IF THE COMMITTEE
STAFF OF THIS COMMITTEE AND
OTHER COMMITTEES AND ALL OF US
COULD BENEFIT FROM THOSE
CONVERSATIONS, SO I HOPE TO
BRING THE VARIOUS DEFINITIONS
TOGETHER AND TRY TO SORT THAT
OUT. WHAT WHAT IS WHAT I
APPRECIATE ABOUT? THIS IS THE
DEFINITION THAT THE THAT THE
UTILITY COMMITTEE STAFF AND THE
CHAIR HAVE COME UP WITH HERE. IS
A DEFINITION THAT IS NOT SHARED
BY EITHER THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE
OR THE INDUSTRY SIDE. IT IS
SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
WELL THAT'S A PERFECT STARTING
SPOT, UH, FOR THIS CONVERSATION
TO TAKE PLACE THEY DIDN'T TAKE
EITHER OF THOSE TWO, BUT IT WILL
TAKE A CONSIDERABLE LENGTH OF
TIME. THE BENEFITS OF
TENTATIVELY APPROVING THIS NOW
SENDS THAT MESSAGE THAT THIS WE
CAN HAVE THAT HEALTHY
CONVERSATION. THANK YOU FOR
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. OKAY?
YES. APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION
HERE IN THE AUTHOR'S INTENT. I
DO HAVE ONE QUESTION AND I'M
HAPPY TO BE WRONG HERE, BUT IT
FEELS TO ME THAT THIS APPEARS TO
TREAT HYDROGEN WORSE THAN ANY
OTHER RPS ELIGIBLE TECHNOLOGY.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU
COULD SPEAK TO THAT. WELL. I
THINK THAT THE THINK THE ANSWER
I WOULD MOST OFFER IS IT IN MY
MIND, IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO PUT
HYDROGEN ON THE EXACT SAME LEVEL
AS THE REST OF THE GRID. WE HAVE
THE GRID AND ALL ALL ENERGY
TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE GOING TO
POWER THE GRID IN 2045 WE'VE
IDENTIFIED THIS IS THIS IS OKAY.
THIS IS NOT OKAY. WE'RE TRYING
TO PUT HYDROGEN ON PARODY AT THE
STARTING POINT OF THIS
CONVERSATION. NOW, WITH THE
STARTING POINT OF THIS
CONVERSATION, WE MAY SAY, YOU
KNOW, 2045 THE WRONG YEAR. IT'S
TOO TOO LATE OR TOO TOO TOO SOON
, BUT IT SEEMS THAT'S THE
APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR US TO
START. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A
DISADVANTAGE. AS MUCH AS IT'S A
PARODY. IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO TRY
TO CREATE PARITY. THANK YOU,
SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS. I'M GOING MR MATHIS
QUESTION. JUST. CAN'T HELP BUT
NOTICE YOU'RE YOU'RE STRICTLY
LOOKING AT GREEN HYDROGEN. IN
REALITY. HYDROGEN IS A LOT LIKE
MOONSHINE. YOU CAN MAKE IT OUT
OF JUST ABOUT ANYTHING. SO WHY?
WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS IS
ONLY GREEN. WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S
DIFFERENT TYPES. WHY SPECIFIC
SPECIFIED BECAUSE I THINK THE
BOTTOM LINE. I AGREE WITH YOUR
GOAL THAT HYDROGEN NEEDS TO BE
ON AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD. BUT
BUT TO CUT OUT OTHER OPTIONS
BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER WAYS OF
MAKING HYDROGEN OUT OF DIFFERENT
TYPES OF METHANE COLLECTION AND
OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON WITHIN
A RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO
THEMSELVES. SO TO BLOCK THOSE
OTHER METHODS OUT. I DON'T THINK
HELPS GET US TO THAT GOAL OF
HAVING HYDROGEN OVERALL BECAUSE
WE KNOW THAT IN THE STATE RIGHT
NOW. WE HAVE A LACK OF HYDROGEN
PRODUCTION. WE HAVE HYDROGEN
STATIONS THAT ARE OUT FOR
VEHICLES THAT HAVE LACK OF FUEL
, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HAVING
ISSUES. SO I JUST THAT'S WHERE I
KIND OF RUN INTO CONCERNS WITH
YOUR BILL IS THAT BY TAKING
THOSE OFF AND NOT GIVING THEM
THE SAME PARODY. UM THAT'S WHERE
MY CONCERNS LIE IF I COULD
RESPOND WHEN YOU SAY, UM I WOULD
TURN IT AROUND THE OTHER WAY.
WHEN YOU SAY HYDROGEN CAN BE
CREATED AND LOTS OF DIFFERENT
WAYS ELECTRICITY CAN BE CREATED
IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS, AND
WE ARE TAKING OFF THE TABLE IN
2045. CREATING ELECTRICITY IN
CERTAIN WAYS. THAT'S THE SAME
THING WE'RE DOING WITH HYDROGEN
. WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE OFF THE
CARBON, THE HIGH CARBON. WE'RE
TRYING TO CONVERT FROM A CARBON
ECONOMY TO A CARBON LESS ECONOMY
. CORRECT TAKEN CARBON CEREAL,
BUT WE'VE TAKEN SO WE'VE TAKEN
WE'VE TAKEN OPTIONS OFF THE
TABLE FOR ELECTRICITY
GENERATION. AND WE'RE DOING THE
SAME THING. WE'RE TRYING TO
AGAIN. CREATE PARODY. THAT MEANS
SOME THINGS ARE OFF THE TABLE.
SOME THINGS ARE ON THE TABLE,
AND THE SOONER WE HAVE THE RIGHT
CONVERSATION. I'M NOT SAYING THE
SOONER WE ADOPT A DEFINITION.
I'M SAYING, THE SOONER WE HAVE
THE RIGHT CONVERSATION, THE
BETTER OFF. WE'RE GOING TO BE IN
CALIFORNIA. AND I THINK THIS IS
THE RIGHT TIME TO START THIS IF
WE HAVE A HYDROGEN HUB IF WE
HAVE A HYDROGEN HUB APPLICATION
IN AND DEMONSTRATING THAT WE'RE
ALSO TRYING TO TALK ABOUT CLEAN
HYDROGEN. VALID POINT THAT
ELECTRICITY IS MADE DIFFERENT
WAY. BUT ULTIMATELY, HYDROGEN IS
A ZERO CARBON FUEL. SHALL IF
THERE ARE WAYS TO PRODUCE IT. WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
ABLE TO PRODUCE IT AND THAT
WE'RE NOT TYING THE HANDS OF THE
INDUSTRY. YOU CAN PREDICT. YOU
MEAN ELECTRICITY BEING USED
EXACTLY. I WASN'T ASKING THEM
QUESTIONS. THAT'S MY POINT.
THANK YOU. I ADMIRE YOUR GOALS.
I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE'RE ALL
HEADED. BUT I WASN'T HERE LAST
YEAR WITH SB 10 75, BUT IT SEEMS
LIKE THAT. SET THE TABLE FOR
LOOKING AT HYDROGEN AND HOW IT
BECOMES PART OF THE WHOLE.
COMPILATION OF DIFFERENT ENERGY
SOURCES, THEN CLEAN ENERGY
SOURCES. SO IT HAS THIS STUDY
BEEN DONE. HAS IT BEEN COMPLETED
OR DO WE HAVE ANY FINDINGS FROM
THIS STUDY? NO THAT THAT THAT
STUDY IS NOT COMPLETED, AND I
BELIEVE IT WILL BE. JUNE OF THE
YEAR FROM NOW THAT THAT THAT
THAT STUDY WILL COME FORWARD,
BUT GO AHEAD. WELL I JUST WONDER
IF WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF
OURSELVES. LET'S WAIT UNTIL THE
STUDY COMES FORWARD. I
UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. LET'S
JUST GET SOMETHING OUT THERE AND
I CAN CONTINUE TO BE MOLDED AND
MELDED ACCORDINGLY. BUT THERE'S
SO MUCH UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW, IN
TERMS OF THE WHICH HYDROGEN AND
HOW AND GREEN OR YELLOW, OR WHAT
HAVE YOU I WOULD OFFER THAT THAT
THE FOCUS OF THAT OF THAT STUDY
OF SB 10 75 IS HOW CAN WE USE
HYDROGEN TO POWER VARIOUS THINGS
IN THIS ECONOMY? IT'S NOT
FOCUSED ON THE QUESTION OF WHAT
IS THE RIGHT STANDARD FOR US TO
HAVE FOR HYDROGEN USE WHENEVER
WE DECIDE TO DO THAT, SO, UH, AS
AS WAS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW,
ELECTRICITY USE HYDROGEN BY
ITSELF IS CARBON FREE
ELECTRICITY COMING OUT OF THE
GRID BY ITSELF AS CARBON FREE.
IT'S HOW DID THE ELECTRICITY GET
CREATED? HOW DOES THE HYDROGEN
GET CREATED IS NOT THE FOCUS OF
WHAT S B 10 75 IS DOING AND THAT
REPORT. THESE ARE COMPLEMENTARY
AND MAKES SENSE TO SAY WE'RE
GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THIS IS TO
THIS ACTION IS DONE. UM IT IT
PUTS US EVEN FURTHER BEHIND IN
TERMS OF SENDING THE MESSAGE.
THE OTHER THING. THE FINAL THING
I WOULD WOULD MENTION IN
RESPONSE TO THAT IS THIS IS A C
E. C STUDY THAT IS GOING TO BE
DONE TO WHAT EXTENT DOES THE
LEGISLATURE WANT TO PROVIDE
THEIR OWN LEADERSHIP ON THINGS
LIKE HYDROGEN VERSUS SIT BACK
AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING
TO WAIT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION
AND THE ADMINISTRATION AGENCIES
TO BE THE ONES THAT COME UP WITH
THIS, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WAS
THE LEGISLATURE. THAT SAID 2045
IS WHEN WE OUGHT TO GET THE GRID
GREEN AND IT WAS THE LEGISLATURE
THAT SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE
SHOULD DO TO GET THE GRID GREEN.
THE LEGISLATURE SURE OUGHT TO
ALSO BE THE ONES WHO SAY 2045 IS
THE STARTING SPOT FOR A
CONVERSATION ABOUT GETTING
HYDROGEN, GREEN AND 2045 IS AND
WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THIS
DEFINITION FROM THE LEGISLATURE
STANDPOINT, NOT WAITING FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION TO NECESSARILY BE
THE ONES TO INDICATE TO US WHAT
THEY WANT TO HAVE HAVE HAPPENED
WITH THIS FOLLOW UP TO THAT. UM
BUT THE WORD REQUIRES ALL
HYDROGEN PRODUCED AND USING
CALIFORNIA FOR JOE, WE DON'T
WE'RE NOT. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE
THAT IS. YET UNTIL THE STUDY OR
MAYBE WE REALLY WHAT YOU REALLY
WANT TO DO IS PROPOSED A STUDY
SPECIFICALLY IF IT'S NOT COVERED
IN SB 10 75. DO A STUDY BEFORE
YOU START REQUIRING SOMETHING.
WE HAVE. WE HAVE TREMENDOUS
EXPERTS OUT THERE. WE HAVE
INDUSTRY EXPERTS WE HAVE WE HAVE
EXPERTS ON ALL KINDS OF SIDES
AND SCIENTISTS ON ALL KINDS OF
SIDES TO DO A STUDY. I WASN'T
HERE. BUT I TURNED TO MY
COLLEAGUES. I DON'T BELIEVE WE
DID A STUDY BEFORE WE CAME UP
WITH 2045. YOU KNOW WHAT? THE
HYDROGEN UH WHAT? WHAT? THE
ELECTRICITY GRID. I ITEMS ARE UM
, WE HAVE THE ROBUST, UH,
SCIENTIFIC AND FACTUAL
INFORMATION OUT THERE TO MAKE A
DECISION ABOUT HOW DO WE PUT
HYDROGEN ON PARODY WITH THE GRID
? IN MY MIND? IT'S FAR BETTER
FOR US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION
THAN TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER STUDY.
THAT WILL JUST BE A
CONTROVERSIAL STUDY THAT THEN
PEOPLE WILL ENGAGE. WE DON'T
LIKE THIS PART OF THE CITY. WE
DON'T LIKE THAT PART OF THE
STUDY. THAT'S MY SENSE, RIGHT?
OKAY THANK YOU. MORE QUESTIONS.
DELYLAH QUESTION. I KNOW I
ARRIVED A LITTLE LATE, UM. BUT I
WAS BRIEFED BY MY STAFF ABOUT
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BUT MY
CONCERN AND WE'VE CHATTED ABOUT
THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF CLEAN
HYDROGEN. THE QUESTION MAY HAVE
BEEN ASKED MY CONCERN, AS I
UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE FEDS ARE
IN THE PROCESS OF DEFINING CLEAN
HYDROGEN. UM CARB HAS IS DOING
THEIR STUDIES AS WELL AND THEY
INTEND TO ADOPT. WOULD THE FEDS
DESCRIBE OR WHAT THEY DEFINE AS
CLEAN HYDROGEN? UH IN AS WE AS
THIS MOVES FORWARD, SHOULD THOSE
DECISIONS COME DOWN WITH THE
DEFINITION? IS THAT SOMETHING
THAT YOU WILL ENTERTAIN?
ABSOLUTELY THE BILL THAT I
INTRODUCED TO THIS COMMITTEE
SIMPLY WAS STARTING WITH THE
FIRST PROCESS, WHICH IS SHOULD
HYDROGEN BE ON THE SAME PLANE
WITH THE REST OF THE GRID? IN
OTHER WORDS AT 2045, SHOULD WE
DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET OUR
HYDROGEN CLEANED UP ENOUGH THAT
IT'S LIKE THE GRID? THAT'S THE
NOW ADMITTEDLY, SOMETIMES AT
SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS WE
HAVE TO THEN DEFINE WHAT DO WE
MEAN BY GREEN HYDROGEN, BUT THAT
IS OF ROBUST CONVERSATION THAT
WE NEED TO HAVE. AND AS I
EXPLAINED TO THE COMMITTEE, UM,
SHORTLY BEFORE YOU GOT HERE WAS
THAT I THINK THAT THE HEALTHIEST
WAY FOR US TO HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION IS FOR THIS FIRST
COMMITTEE. TWO WITH THEIR FINE
DEFINITION THAT IS IN BETWEEN
SORT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP
AND THE INDUSTRY GROUP THAT THEY
HAVE COME UP WITH A DEFINITION.
THAT'S A GOOD STARTING SPOT FOR
US TO HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION,
AND I THINK THIS WILL TAKE
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.
DURING THAT TIME. WE WILL GET
THE INFORMATION FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WILL GET THE
INFORMATION FROM CARB AS IT
MOVES FORWARD, BUT IT DOES PUT
THE LEGISLATURE IN THE LEADING
ROLE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO SAY
WHAT'S THE POLICY FOR HYDROGEN
AND NOT HAVE REGULATORY AGENCIES
BE THE ONES IN THE LEADING ROLE
TRYING TO TRYING TO INDICATE TO
US? WHAT THAT POLICY IS SO
ABSOLUTELY 100% COMMITTED. I
ONLY RECEIVED THESE YESTERDAY
ALSO. SO THERE'S A LOT THAT WE
HAVE TO DIGEST. YOU KNOW, IN
TERMS OF TRYING TO DO THIS.
THANK YOU, MR OKAY. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS. MR HOLDEN. AND THEN
AGAIN, MAYBE MY QUESTION WAS WAS
ANSWERED AS WELL. AND I KNOW
THAT WHEN I CAME IN, THERE WAS
SOME CONVERSATION AROUND THE
SKINNER BILL, AND I JUST WANT TO
MAKE SURE ONE THAT WE WERE
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
DEFINITION OF GREEN ENERGY OR
GREEN HYDROGEN REPRESENTED IN
THAT CONVERSATION. AND THEN WE.
I RECALL THEIR VARIETY OF COLORS
OF GREEN AND THAT GREEN MAY NOT
BE NECESSARILY GREEN. AS WE'RE
THINKING OF IT IN TERMS OF
CLEAN. COMES BACK TO THIS RAISES
QUESTION ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF
CLEAN AND THEN WE HAVE FEDERAL
DEFINITION. AND SO WE HAVE SO
MANY. WE HAVE EMERGING MORE
DEFINITIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT.
THEN KIND OF A UNIVERSAL
DEFINITION. SO MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE
SUGGESTING IS THAT THROUGH THIS
PROCESS MORE CONVERSATIONS IN
THE LEGISLATURE. UM STARTS TO
CRAFT CLEARER FUTURE OF VISION.
AH I GUESS THE THING THAT I'M
CONCERNED ABOUT IS DOES YOUR
BILL COMPLIMENT? THE SKINNER
BILL. HOW DOES IT WORK TOGETHER
WITH THAT BILL, OR IS IT ON ITS
OWN? DUAL PATH. I CERTAINLY
BELIEVE IT COMPLEMENTS IT
BECAUSE THE FOCUS OF THE SKINNER
BILL IS NOT ON WHEN DO WE GET TO
FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, CLEAN
HYDROGEN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT
THE FOCUS. THE FOCUS OF SKINNER
BILL IS HOW DOES WHAT ARE THE
ROLES? WHAT ARE ALL THE OPTIONS
WHERE ALL THE BENEFITS AND
WHETHER DISADVANTAGES OF
HYDROGEN IN OUR ECONOMY THAT'S A
REAL BUT THAT, BY ITSELF IS A
ROBUST CONVERSATION AND PRETTY
EXTENSIVE REPORT, SO THE
COMPLIMENT TO THAT IS WHILE
WE'RE DOING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY
OUT THERE IDENTIFIED. 2045 IS
THE TIME THAT WE WANT TO GRID TO
BE CLEAN. SO IS IT APPROPRIATE
FOR US TO HAVE A STARTING
CONVERSATION ABOUT 2045 ALSO
BEING THE DEADLINE FOR HYDROGEN
TO ACHIEVE WHATEVER DEFINITION
WE SETTLE ON? WE HAVE HAD THE
VERY FIRST TENTATIVE ATTEMPT TO
TRY TO DEFINE THAT BY THE
COMMITTEE HERE, BUT THIS THIS IS
GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS. BUT
AS I MENTIONED AS AS AS I THINK,
YOU KNOW, BEING EXPERIENCE. IF
YOU DON'T HAVE A BILL MOVING,
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A
CONVERSATION BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE
SO MANY THINGS THEY WANT TO
FOCUS ON. SO IF WE WANT TO BEGIN
THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS
THE DEFINITION OF HYDROGEN THAT
WE WANT TO HAVE CLEAN BY 2045.
THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS
IS TO MOVE THIS AND MOVE BUT
MOVE THE BILL SLOWLY NOT TRYING
TO RUSH THIS BILL THROUGH
UNDERSTAND? I GUESS EVERY BILL
IS A MARKET SIGNAL RIGHT IN THE
MARKET RESPONSE TO IT. AND IF WE
HAVE A DEFINITION THAT SAYS
CLEAN HYDROGEN IN ONE BILL, AND
THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER. THAT'S
SAYING WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE
DEFINITION AROUND GREEN
HYDROGEN. UM WHAT IS THE MARKET
SIGNAL? OR DO WE ARE NOT
CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IN
WE'LL GET PEOPLE COMING TO US
SAYING, HEY, WE'RE MOVING OR
WAITING FOR UM, REGULATORY
AGENCY TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION
ON THE LAST BILL, AND NOW WE'RE
MOVING INTO A DIFFERENT LANE.
BUT NOT YEAH, I GUESS I'M JUST
TRYING TO. I CERTAINLY DON'T SEE
THAT THAT THE INDUSTRY I CAN'T
SPEAK FOR HOW THE INDUSTRY IS
GOING TO RESPOND. BUT I DONT
THINK THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE
THE INDUSTRY SAY OH, THESE ARE
IN CONFLICT IN ANYWAY, WE SHOULD
GET A GOOD REPORT. FROM THE
AGENCY YOU KNOW FROM FROM THE
ENERGY COMMISSION ABOUT ALL OF
THESE THINGS ABOUT HYDROGEN, AND
THAT REPORT MAY MAY OR MAY NOT
HAVE SOME SOME IMPACT ON WHAT
WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF
THE PROPER DEFINITION THAT WE
WANT TO REACH PARITY WITH IN
TERMS OF THE GRID AT THE SAME
TIME WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION
IS BETTER THAN WAITING UNTIL
THEY'RE DONE. AND THEN TRYING TO
START UP A CONVERSATION ABOUT
THAT. CERTAINLY, I THINK IN THIS
SITUATION OKAY, QUESTIONS. MR
REFUGEE. THANK YOU. I ALSO
APOLOGIZE FOR COMING IN IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE DISCUSSION. UM YOU
KNOW? I MEAN, I AM A LITTLE
RELUCTANT TO VOTE FOR BILL. YOU
KNOW, AS A MOVING VEHICLE. TO
MANDATE THAT BY 2045 HYDROGEN
PRODUCED AND USED IN CALIFORNIA.
FOR ELECTRICITY OR FOR VEHICLES
TO BE A GREEN HYDROGEN WITH THE
GREEN HYDROGEN TO BE UNDEFINED.
UM IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
THAT WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT
THAT SHARE IS RECOMMENDING IT,
AND SO YOU KNOW, I AM INCLINED
TO DEFER TO YOU, MR BENNETT TO
GIVE A COURTESY VOTE. I MEAN, I
JUST WANT TO STAY FROM THE
RECORD THAT FOR FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, GREEN
HYDROGEN HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING
ALONG THE LINES. NO FOSSIL FUELS
ARE USED TO PRODUCE THE GREEN
HYDROGEN AND THAT AND THE
PRODUCTION AND THE USE OF THE
GREEN HYDROGEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S
NOT GOING TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW
, UH, YOU KNOW, DESPERATE,
HARMFUL IMPACT ON ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE COMMUNITIES. UH THOSE
ARE THE CENTRAL PRINCIPLES THAT
THAT I WOULD LIKE TO STAY AT
THIS POINT. WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME
TO ASSURE THAT THAT IS GOING TO
BE YOUR THAT IS YOUR INTENT OF
THIS THIS LANGUAGE OF GREEN
HYDROGEN AS PRESENTED IN YOUR
BILL. DUE TO THE SAME EXTENT
THAT IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH
WHAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH FOR
THE GRID IN TERMS OF BY 2045, WE
HAVE SAID WE WANT THE GRID TO BE
CLEAN OR GREEN OR WHATEVER
DEFINITION YOU 100% CLEAN, TOO.
THAT'S THE SAME PARODY THAT I
THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AS A GOAL
HERE. AND THE. THE DEVIL'S IN
THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT
DEFINITION IS, WHICH IS WHY WE
NEED TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT
CONVERSATION AND HAVE THE
STAKEHOLDERS REALLY COME TO THE
TABLE AND HAVE THEM COUNTER EACH
OTHER'S ARGUMENTS. NO THAT'S WHY
THAT'S YOU KNOW, HAVE PEOPLE SIT
THERE AND TAKE THE BEST ARGUMENT
FROM ONE SIDE AND HAVE THE OTHER
SIDE RESPONDS WHY? THAT'S NOT
TRUE, AND THEN VICE VERSA. HAVE
THAT HAPPEN, BUT SETS THAT IS
THE GOAL IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE
, AND THAT'S MY STARTING SPOT IS
YES. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE
WE ARE 2045. I'M TRYING TO, UH
THEN BEGAN TO SAME THING. SAME
CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN WITH
HYDROGEN BECAUSE WE NEED BOTH
ENERGY SOURCES. BATTERY
TECHNOLOGY AND HYDROGEN FUEL
CELL TECHNOLOGY TO BE OUT THERE
, COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER FOR
US TO HAVE ANY CHANCE OF
ACTUALLY GETTING THERE. WELL IF
WE DON'T MOVE PROMPTLY, WE'VE
RISKED HAVING PEOPLE MAKING
INVESTMENTS AND THEN SAYING, HEY
, I MADE THESE INVESTMENTS
BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING
TO BE OKAY. AND NOW YOU'RE GOING
TO YOU KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS.
ONCE SOMEBODY HAS MADE THE
INVESTMENTS ONCE YOU HAVE THE
JOBS. AND THEN THOSE PEOPLE THAT
ARE EMPLOYED. COME AND SAY, HEY,
YOU'RE GOING TO COST ME MY JOB.
IF YOU PASS THIS IT'S FAR BETTER
FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW, AND THE
OTHER POSSIBILITY IS. PEOPLE
WON'T MAKE ANY INVESTMENTS IN IN
HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE
THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING AND
WAITING AND WAITING. SEEMS THAT
IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DO
THAT. SO YES TO SAME COMMITMENT
THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT
MOVED FROM A CARBON ECONOMY TO A
CARBON LUS. CARBONLESS ECONOMY
AND THAT AND I MEAN 100% CARBON
LIST. THAT'S MY GOAL AS WE GO
FORWARD WITH THIS WHERE THE
LEGISLATURE ENDS UP WITH IN
TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN FINALLY
SETTLED ON IN TERMS OF THE
DEFINITION IS THAT'S THAT'S THE
ART OF LEGISLATING, RIGHT? MR
CHAIR. UH QUESTION FOR YOU IN
TERMS OF PROCEDURE? UH, ONCE
THERE IS A THIS BILL DOES LAND
ON A DEFINITION OF GREEN HEART
IS IN. WHAT WILL THIS WILL WE
HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY HERE.
THIS BILL IN THIS COMMITTEE,
THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THE
BILL MAY COME BACK. THERE'S AS
AN AUTHOR AS MENTIONED. WE HAVE
THAT DISCRETION. THE BILL DOES
GO TO NATURAL RESOURCES IF IT
DOES COME OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE.
AND SO WE'LL DEFINITELY BE
WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY. OUR
TEAM, UM, DARED TO PUT A
DEFINITION OUT THERE. AS THE
AUTHOR HAS MENTIONED. IT'S NOT A
DEFINITION THAT CAUSE ONE WAY OR
THE OTHER. AS WE'VE HEARD FROM
MANY OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, WE DO
RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE A LOT
OF OTHER MOVING PARTS TAKING
PLACE TRYING TO SHAPE THE
DEFINITIONS OF HYDROGEN. AND
THAT WILL ULTIMATELY NEED TO BE
INTEGRATED INTO THIS
CONVERSATION AS WELL. THE
AUTHORS ALSO MENTIONED THAT THIS
IS A LONG CONVERSATION. THIS IS
ONLY THE BEGINNING. I DON'T
ANTICIPATE THIS TO BE THE END
ALL BE ALL DISCUSSION BECAUSE I
MENTIONED IT GOES TO NATURAL
RESOURCES, AND OUR TEAM WILL BE
INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THOSE
DISCUSSIONS EVERY STEP OF THE
WAY. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THIS
IF THIS IS GOING TO BE MY LAST
OPPORTUNITY TO WIN AND THIS
COMMITTEE UH THEN I HAVE
CONCERNS AND. VOTING FOR THE
BILL AT THIS TIME. WELL WE WILL
BE WATCHING REAL CLOSELY. IF THE
BILL DOES TAKE A DIFFERENT SHAPE
THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. WE
WILL PULL THE BILL BACK. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU. QUESTION. I'M
SORRY. ONE LAST QUESTION AND I
AGAIN I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
THOUGHTFULNESS AND, UM,
ANSWERING ALL OUR QUESTIONS. UM
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU INDICATED
THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE THIS
PROCESS? UH SLOWLY AND BE
THOUGHTFUL. UM AND AS YOU MOVE
THROUGH THIS IF THIS GETS OUT
TODAY WOULD YOU CONSIDER MAKING
THIS A TWO YEAR BILL? ABSOLUTELY
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I
DON'T KNOW IF ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI HEARD THAT, BUT I'VE
JUST COMMITTED THAT I WOULD BE
WILLING TO MAKE THIS A TWO YEAR
BILL. BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN MY
INTENTION, RIGHT? OKAY THIS
WOULD THIS WOULD THIS WILL NEED
THAT KIND OF TIME. WALLACE. I'M
SORRY, MR CHAIR. I DO REALLY
APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AND
THE AUTHOR TAKING ALL OF OUR
QUESTIONS. UM, WE HAVE SOME
EXPERTS IN THE ROOM AND JUST
BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SUCH A ROBUST
CONVERSATION, WOULD IT BE
ALLOWABLE TO GIVE THEM SOME TIME
TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE DEBATE
THAT WE'VE WE'VE BEEN HAVING
WELL, I MEAN, IS THAT YOUR
REQUEST? IS THERE SOMEONE THAT
WOULD SECOND THAT REQUEST? I
THINK WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD
CONVERSATION ON THE MATTER. I
THINK WE HAVE EXPRESSED THE
CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD. INDUSTRY
EXPERTS TESTIFY. AH I'M NOT SURE
IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY
ADDITIONAL, UM. CHEROKEE YES,
QUESTION. IS THERE A SPECIFIC
QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE AS A
MEMBER THAT YOU HAVE ASKED, OR
YOU NEED A BECAUSE I MEAN, I
ASKED YOU BEFORE YOU GOT HERE,
AND, UM MR BENNETT ANSWERED IT.
BUT, UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF
WE COULD GET A RESPONSE FROM THE
INDUSTRY ON THAT BECAUSE THERE
WILL BE IMPACTED LIKE WHY DON'T
YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION AND
LET'S HAVE ONE OF THE WITNESS?
UH EXPERT WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION COME FORWARD AND
RESPOND TO IT. SO I MEAN, THE
QUESTION WAS VERY SIMPLE. IT'S
JUST ABOUT YOU KNOW HOW THIS
APPEARS TO TREAT HYDROGEN WORSE
THAN OTHER RPS ELIGIBLE
TECHNOLOGY, AND WE DISCUSSED
PARODY LEVELS THERE WITH THAT.
UM BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF
WE CAN BE SURE I'LL ASK ONE OF
THE OPPOSITION EXPERT WITNESSES
IF THEY WANT TO COME FORWARD TO
THE MICROPHONE AND RESPOND TO
THAT QUESTION. AND BEFORE THAT
BEFORE YOU DO THAT. LET ME JUST
ESTABLISH A QUORUM REAL QUICK
BEFORE ANYONE ELSE HAS TO GET
GOING. GARCIA PRESIDENT GARCIA
HERE, CALDERON. PRESENT. CALLED
AROUND HERE. KOREA. HERE.
CARILLO HERE, CHEN. CONNELLY.
DIXON. SORRY CONNELLY. HERE,
DIXON HERE. HOLD ON HOLD IN
HERE. MATHIS IS HERE. MAKIN ER
MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI HERE.
RAISE RAISE HERE. SANTIAGO
BROUGH. TEACHING. WALLACE
WALLACE HERE, OKAY, PLEASE. UH
SO TO THE QUESTION OF THE
DISPARITY AND TREATMENT, UM THE
AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEING
PROPOSED AND HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED
WOULD REQUIRE CO LOCATION AND
THE WOULD DISALLOW THE USE OF
TRADABLE REX AND SO AN
ELECTROLYZER. SO, UH,
ELECTRICITY TO WATER TO PRODUCE
HYDROGEN WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
WHEEL ELECTRONS AWAY FROM, YOU
KNOW, UH, NON DEDICATED SOURCES
, SO WE LOSE THE UTILITY OF
USING HYDROGEN AS A THE ABILITY
TO BALANCE THE GRID LOADS
DURING, YOU KNOW, SAY TIMES OF
WHERE WE'RE NOT USING AS MUCH
LOAD IN MIDDLE PART OF THE DAY,
YOU KNOW, PRODUCING HYDROGEN
WITH THAT EXCESS. LAST YEAR, WE
PRODUCED ENOUGH HYDROGEN THAT
WAS KURT. OR WE PRODUCED ENOUGH
ELECTRICITY THAT WAS CURTAILED
WIND AND SOLAR THAT WAS
CURTAILED THAT WE COULD HAVE
POWERED 192,000 CARS FOR A YEAR
WITH MONEY THAT THE RATEPAYERS
HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR THE
PROCUREMENT OF THAT ELECTRICITY
, AND SO THESE AMENDMENTS WOULD
PRECLUDE US FROM THAT ACTIVITY
BY NOT ALLOWING US TO WELL. UH
RENEWABLES FROM WIND OR SOLAR
PROJECTS INTO THESE CENTRALIZED
ELECTROLYZERS WHERE THEY'RE AT A
GOOD YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE POINT
OF THE HYDROGEN HUB. YOU KNOW,
THE HUB IS THE HYDROGEN
PRODUCTION AND THEN WE SPOKE OUT
THE HYDROGEN TWO DIFFERENT END
USES AS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW HAS
PROPOSED THE RESTRICTIONS ON
HYDROGEN HERE WITHIN THIS
CONFINES OF THE AMENDMENTS,
WHICH YOU KNOW A LOT OF RESPECT
FOR THE COMMITTEE CONSULTANTS.
THEY'RE UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE
RIGHT NOW AND HAD TO PUT THIS
STUFF TOGETHER, BUT IT WOULDN'T
ALLOW THAT ACTIVITY. UM, FOR US,
AND SO WE THINK IT TAKES AWAY.
HYDROGEN IS BEING TREATED
DIFFERENTIALLY THAN BIO METHANE
OR BIOMASS. AND WHILE IT HAS
REFERENCES TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS
, WE CAN USE BIO METHANE AND
BIOMASS AND FREELY UM, YOU KNOW
, MOVE THOSE WRECKS TO OTHER
PARTS OF STATE FOR DIFFERENT END
USES. UM, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWING
THAT FOR HYDROGEN PRODUCTION OR
THE HYDROGEN AND USE AND SO I
THINK TO THAT END IT IS
DIFFERENTIAL AT THAT POINT AND
KIND OF NEEDS ADDITIONAL
DEFINITION. WE DO BELIEVE THAT,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY IN
AGREEMENT. LET'S LET'S CREATE
HYDROGEN PARODY AND SO ADD A
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN DEFINITION
INTO THE RPS ELIGIBLE RESOURCES
WILL ADOPT THE TIMELINES. WE'VE
PROPOSED THAT IN THREE DIFFERENT
BILLS OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS
AND MORE THAN WILLING TO ACCEPT
IT AND CAN PROVIDE THOSE
PRINCIPLES TO THIS COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU. JUST ASK THE
COMMITTEE TEAM THERE. THERE'S NO
PRESSURE. NO ONE'S UNDER ANY
PRESSURE, AND SO WE'RE PREPARED
TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE
CONVERSATION. AND AS I MENTIONED
EARLIER, WE DARED TO PUT A
DEFINITION OUT THERE. AND WE'RE
LOOKING FORWARD TO ALL OF THE
OTHER MOVING PARTS THAT ARE
TAKING PLACE IN ORDER TO
INTEGRATE, CONSOLIDATE AND
HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD WITH A
VERY SPECIFIC TARGET. VERY
SPECIFIC DEFINITION. AND AS I
MENTIONED, UM THIS BILL WILL GO
TO NATURAL RESOURCES. THE AUTHOR
HAS MENTIONED THAT HE'S PREPARED
TO MOVE SLOW. AH IN ORDER TO BE
INCLUSIVE IN THE DISCUSSIONS,
AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE A LONGER
CONVERSATION THAN WHAT MOST OF
US EVER EXPECT OUR BILLS NEED TO
BE. HE HAS AGREED THAT THAT
WOULD BE THE CASE, SO I DON'T
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. MR CHAIR. I
JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM MR
BENNETT, YOU'RE VERY THOUGHTFUL
LEGISLATOR. AND THIS HAS BEEN A
TOPIC THAT YOU HAVE SPENT A LOT
OF TIME ON AND I KNOW THAT WHEN
YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE
THIS SLOW, AND YOU'RE GOING TO
LOOK AT ALL OF ALL OF THE
CONCERNS OF EVERYONE I BELIEVE
YOU. AND WITH THAT I MOVED THE
BILL. WITH THE MOTION IS THERE
PLEASE QUESTION YOUR SECOND
MOTION. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS JUST
OKAY, PLEASE. I JUST WANNA MR
BENNETT WANT TO ECHO THIS THE
SENTIMENTS OF OUR MAJORITY
LEADER AND RECOGNIZE YOUR
LEADERSHIP IN THIS SPACE. IT'S
DIFFICULT TO COME TO THE TABLE
WHERE THE IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THE
FUTURE LOOKS LIKE. WE'VE SAID A
LOT OF GOALS FOR THE STATE. I
ALSO GRAPPLE WITH THE DETAILS ON
HOW WE GET THERE. ESPECIALLY
WHEN IT COMES TO RENEWAL,
RENEWABLE ENERGY AND EQUITY AND
OVERLAYING, UM OVERLAYING,
POTENTIALLY A CENSUS TRACK OVER
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OFTEN
DISENFRANCHISED AND WE DON'T GET
THE DATA TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE
THAT EQUITY IS A PART OF THE
CONVERSATION MOVING FORWARD.
WE'VE DONE THAT ON A FEW BILLS
IN THIS COMMITTEE. I ALSO WANNA
ACKNOWLEDGE THE OPPOSITION AND
THE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD AND HOW
WE CAN BALANCE LEGISLATION WITH
SCIENCE AND THE FUTURE AND
INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK ALL OF
THAT IS IMPORTANT. UM AND YOU
KNOW, I THINK THE ROBUST AND
THOUGHTFUL AND RESPECTFUL
CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING
TODAY AND AGAIN APOLOGIES. I WAS
WATCHING AND CAME IN. AS WELL AS
MANY OTHERS. BUT, UM I LIKE THE
MAJORITY LEADER, TRUST YOUR
LEADERSHIP AND ALSO RECOGNIZE
YOUR LEADERSHIP AND UM, BUDGET
SUBCOMMITTEE RELATED TO NATURAL
RESOURCES AND TRANSPORTATION, SO
NOT ONLY ON POLICY, BUT ALSO ON
THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT
WE HAVE AS A STATE TO KNOW
SOMETHING FORWARD. AND SO I'M
GLAD THAT TO MY COLLEAGUE AS
WELL, WHO MENTIONED THE
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS A TWO
YEAR BILL TO, UM, REALLY THINK
THROUGH THE POLICY AND WHAT THAT
LOOKS LIKE FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE
STATE. I THINK LIKE THAT SAYS A
LOT ABOUT YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE
ABLE TO FIND THE SOLUTION, AND I
THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT GIVEN THE
GOALS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SET.
THAT THERE'S A REALLY GREAT
OPPORTUNITY FOR A BIPARTISAN,
BICAMERAL APPROACH ON HOW WE GET
THIS DONE. AND HOW DO WE ACHIEVE
THE DETAILS OF THE GOALS ALREADY
SET IN PLACE? SO APPRECIATE THAT
, AND I'M HAPPY TO SECOND THE
MOTION AND MAKE SURE THAT THE
CONVERSATIONS CONTINUE AND THAT
YOUR COMMITTEE STUFF IS ALSO
INVOLVED IN THE FOLLOWING
PROCESS. THANK YOU, AND THAT
THERE'S NO PRESSURE ON THEM.
THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, RIGHT?
THERE IS A MOTION MOTION.
THERE'S A SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE VERY BRIEFLY, JUST TO
HONOR THE OPPOSITION KOLOK ATION
AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
WENT, WOW, WE HAVE TO REALLY
CAREFULLY LOOK AT THAT. BUT I DO
WANT TO GO BACK AND COMPLIMENT
YOU, YOU YOU, YOUR COMMITTEE
SAID. HEY, WE PROBABLY SHOULD
HAVE A DEFINITION AS THIS MOVES
FORWARD AND YOU BIT THE BULLET
AND CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT
ALLOWS US TO HAVE A REALLY FULL
CONVERSATION. BUT PEOPLE WILL BE
MORE WILLING TO ACTUALLY COME
AND WANTED PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED
THIS AND MY GOAL IS TO TRY TO
BRING SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM
INDUSTRY. SOME REPRESENTATIVES
FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE WITH
THEIR DEFINITIONS AND HAVE THEM
LITERALLY HAVE A DEBATE ABOUT
THEIR DEFINITIONS. I THINK THAT
WOULD BE REALLY INFORMATIVE AS
WE GO FORWARD. I WILL CERTAINLY
INVITE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE TO THAT WHENEVER THAT
HAPPENS, AND IF I DON'T FEEL
COMFORTABLE ABOUT THIS, I WILL
NOT BRING, UH, THAT WILL NOT
KEEP MOVING THE BILL FORWARD.
AND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS
COME BACK, I WILL HAVE NO
OBJECTIONS TO COMING BACK TO
THIS COMMITTEE. UM AS WE MOVE
THIS THING FORWARD, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. YESTERDAY SECOND, I'M
GONNA ASK SECRETARY CALLED THE
ROLE THAT DOES HAVE A DO PASS
RECOMMENDATION WITH AMENDMENTS
TO NATURAL RESOURCES. ITEM
NUMBER SIX. BE 15 50. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASSES AMENDED TO NATURAL
RESOURCES. GARCIA GARCIA. I
CALLED AROUND. CHAN CONNELLY
CONNELLY. I DIXON DIXON KNOW
HOLDEN HOLDEN I MATHIS TO SNOW
MAKIN ER MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI I
RAISE RAISE I SANTIAGO. BROUGH.
TING. WALLACE WALLACE SNOW.
THAT'S 73. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL
LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN FOR OTHER
MEMBERS TO ADD ON AT THIS TIME,
I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO PROVE
THE CONSENT CALENDAR. PROMOTION
IN A SECOND. MADAM SECRETARY.
PLEASE GO DOWN THE LIST AND CALL
ROOM. ITEM NUMBER 1 85 80. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
A B 14 30 FOR THE MOTION IS DUE
PAST APPROPRIATIONS ITEM NUMBER
SEVEN. A B 16 26. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASSES AMENDED TO
TRANSPORTATION. ITEM NUMBER
NINE. A B 691. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. ITEM
NUMBER 10 89 98. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASSES AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. ITEM NUMBER 11.
A B 11 72. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASSES AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. AN ITEM. 15 69.
THE MOTION IS DUE PAST
APPROPRIATIONS. GARCIA GARCIA. I
CALLED AROUND CALDERON I KOREA
CARILLO I CHEN CONNELLY CONNELLY
. I DICKSON DICKSON. I HOLDEN
HOLDEN I MATHIS MATHIS. I MAKIN
ER MURATSUCHI GI RAISE, RAISE I
SANTIAGO SHIAVO. TING WALLACE
WALLACE. AYE. ALRIGHT WE'LL NOW
PROCEED WITH THE NEXT BILL, AND
THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO ADD
ON TO OTHER BILLS, PLEASE. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIR. I AM
HERE TO PRESENT ASSEMBLY BILL 15
38, WHICH SIX TO ESTABLISH AN
INCENTIVE PROGRAM, THE CLEAN
ENERGY RELIABILITY PROGRAM TO
PAY LOAD SERVING ENTITIES, UH,
SPECIFIED AMOUNT FOR THE
PROCUREMENT OF ELIGIBLE
RESOURCES TO BE DEFINED THAT
EXCEED THE LLCS PROCUREMENT
TARGETS. AS SET BY THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION. THE GOAL
OF THIS BILL IS TO PROVIDE A
MARKET MECHANISM TO INCREASE THE
SUPPLY OF CLEAN ENERGY TO MEET
RSP 100 GOAL, WHILE AT THE SAME
TIME TO DECREASE ELECTRICITY
PRICE BY INCREASING THE SUPPLY
AND INCREASING AH ENERGY
RELIABILITY AGAIN BY INCREASING
THE SUPPLY. UH OF, UH, CLEAN
ENERGY PRODUCTION. I AM JOINED
TODAY WITH MATTHEW LANGER, THE
CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF CLEAN
POWER ALLIANCE. UH THE SPONSOR
OF THIS BILL BEFORE I TURN IT
OVER TO HIM. JUST WANT TO POINT
OUT THAT I'M PROUD THAT THIS
BILL IS NOT ONLY SUPPORTED BY
THE CLEAN POWER ALLIANCE BUT BY
UTILITIES. WE HAVE, UH OR A
UTILITY. UH WE ALSO HAVE, UM
LANGUAGE IN THERE TO REQUIRE
PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENT. AND SO
I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT LABOR WILL
COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF THIS,
ALTHOUGH I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM
. UM, I'D LIKE TO AT THIS POINT,
TURN IT OVER TO MR LANGER. GOOD
AFTERNOON. THANK YOU TO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI FOR
AUTHORING THIS IMPORTANT
LEGISLATION TO CHAIR GARCIA AND
COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR ALLOWING
ME TO SPEAK TODAY AND TO THE
COMMITTEE FIRST THROW ANALYSIS
OF THE BILL. MY NAME IS MATTHEW
LANGER, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER
FOR CLEAN POWER ALLIANCE
COMMUNITY CHOICE AGGREGATOR IN
THE STATE'S FOURTH LARGEST LOAD
SURFING ENTITY THAT SERVES 30
CITIES IN THE INCORPORATED
KENNEDY'S OF LOS ANGELES AND
VENTURA. CPS SERVES OVER THREE
MILLION PEOPLE AND IS GOVERNED
BY A BOARD OF A LOCAL ELECTED
OFFICIALS THAT CARE DEEPLY ABOUT
CREATING AFFORDABLE RATES AND
CLEAN, RELIABLE ENERGY FOR THEIR
CONSTITUENTS. WE ARE THE PROUD
SPONSOR OF HB 15 38, WHICH
FOCUSES ON A CONCERN OF EVERY
MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE AND
EVERY CALIFORNIAN. HOW CAN WE
INCREASE ELECTRICITY RELIABILITY
AND REDUCE CUSTOMERS'
ELECTRICITY BILLS? CALIFORNIA
HAS AN INCREASING RISK OF NOT
HAVING ENOUGH RESOURCES ON THE
GRID TO MEET PEAK DEMAND. THIS
IS THE SHORTAGE OF SUPPLY HAS
LED SUPPLIERS TO RAISE PRICES
INCREASING COSTS ON CONSUMERS.
WITHOUT A STEADY INFLUX OF NEW
RESOURCES. PRICES WILL CONTINUE
TO GO UP. ELECTRICITY BILLS WILL
CONTINUE TO RISE AND GRID
EMERGENCIES AND ROTATING OUTAGES
WILL BECOME MORE FREQUENT. THE
TRADITIONAL APPROACH TO ASSESS
PENALTIES ON L S. C. S THAT
DON'T MEET THEIR CAPACITY
TARGETS, WHILE INAPPROPRIATE
TOOL HAS BEEN HAS NOT BEEN
SUCCESSFUL IN INCREASING
RESOURCES BY THE AMOUNT NEEDED
MAYBE 15 38 IS A NEW APPROACH
THAT WOULD SEND A SIGNAL TO LLCS
TO PROCURE RESOURCES BEYOND THE
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, INCREASING
THE SUPPLY OF RELIABLE CAPACITY
WOULD PUT DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON
THE COST OF THESE RESOURCES,
WHICH WOULD TRANSLATE TO LOWER
ELECTRICITY RATES. IMPORTANTLY
INCENTIVES WOULD GO ONLY TO LLCS
FOR PROJECT SIGN PROJECT LABOR
AGREEMENT AND HE'S FAIR LABOR
PRACTICES. ANY SAVINGS WOULD
HAVE TO BE PASSED ON TO
CUSTOMERS REDUCING THEIR BILLS.
MAYBE 15 38 COMPLEMENTS THE WORK
THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE AT
THE CPUC TO CREATE LONG TERM
CLEAN ENERGY TARGETS BY
PROVIDING RELIABLE EXCUSE ME BY
PROVIDING REAL LIFE RELIABILITY
INCENTIVES FOR L S C S. THE
STATES CAN ACHIEVE ELECTRICITY,
RELIABILITY, LOWER RATES AND A
SMOOTHER TRANSITION TO CLEAN
ELECTRIC GRID. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, MR MURATSUCHI. THE
COMMITTEE HAD AMENDMENTS THERE.
ARE YOU PREPARED TO ACCEPT THAT?
I APOLOGIZE. I WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS
BILL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT
ALL OF THE COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENT
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AS STATED IN
THE ANALYSIS, OKAY, WE'LL TURN
TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THOSE IN
FAVOR. CHAIR MEMBERS, MAX PERRY
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
CAMARILLO IN SUPPORT. KATHERINE
BORG FROM THE SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA EDISON AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU MEMBERS, JASON HIKERS
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
COMMUNITY CHOICE ASSOCIATION,
ALSO IN SUPPORT. LILLIAN MERVIS
WITH EMC HERE IN SUPPORT.
CATHERINE BRANDENBURG ON BEHALF
OF CINEMA, CLEAN POWER IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU ANY WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION? SEE NONE. WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
OR THEIR QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMITTEE. IS THERE A MOTION?
IT'S BEEN VOTED SECONDED. MR
MURATSUCHI, RESPECTFULLY ASK
VERY I VOTED. OKAY, CALL THE
RULE. ITEM NUMBER 12 A B 15 38.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASSES AMENDED
TO NATURAL RESOURCES. GARCIA.
CALLED AROUND BY CALLED AROUND I
. KOREA CARILLO I, CHEN CONNELLY
CONNELLY. I DIXON. DIXON KNOW
HOLDEN IN I MATHIS MAKIN ER
MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI I RAISE
RAISE I SANTIAGO. SHE AVO TING
WALLACE. WELL, LET'S NOT VOTING.
YOU HAVE THE REQUISITE NUMBER OF
VOTES WILL KEEP THE ROLE OPEN
FOR REMEMBER SAT ON THANK YOU. I
WILL NOW TURN TO MISS FRIEDMAN.
64. OH, YEAH. 16 64. IT'S BEEN
MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY
THERE'S EMOTION A SECOND. THANK
YOU, MR. CHAIR SECOND. OKAY
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR MEMBERS A B
16 64 6 TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL.
$130 MILLION PROPOSED EARMARK AS
PART OF GOVERNOR NUISANCE
PROPOSED JUDGE BUDGET RELEASED
IN JANUARY AND AS AGREED UPON IN
LAST YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS TO
SUPPLEMENT TO SUPPORT LOW INCOME
RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD ADOPTION
OF SOLAR PAIRED ENERGY STORAGE
TECHNOLOGIES. I THINK THE CHAIR
AND THE COMMITTEE FOR YOUR
THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THIS BILL,
ABC, 16 64 WOULD REQUIRE THE
CPUC. UPON FUNDING APPROPRIATION
BY THE LEGISLATURE TO DEVELOP A
BLOCK GRANT STRUCTURES TO
FACILITATE THE DEPLOYMENT OF
FUNDS TO LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS
WHO DIDN'T HAVE NOT HAD ACCESS
TO S CHIP DOLLARS IN THE PAST TO
ENABLE DEMAND FLEXIBILITY,
RESILIENCY AND DECARBONIZATION
CURRENTLY THE THREE I O U'S
ADMINISTER THE RATE PAYER FUNDS
FOR THE SELF GENERATION
INCENTIVE PROGRAM AS CHIP FOR
CUSTOMERS WITHIN THE IOU SERVICE
AREAS SEEKING TO ADOPT ON SITE
CLEAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES. WELL
S CHIP IS SUPPORTED THE ADOPTION
OF ON SITE DISTRIBUTED ENERGY
AMONG IOU CUSTOMERS. IT'S NOT
BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN ACHIEVING
EQUITABLE PARTICIPATION BY LOW
INCOME HOUSEHOLDS WHEREBY LOW
INCOME PARTICIPATION IS ONLY
ABOUT 1, ACCORDING TO THE CPUC.
FURTHERMORE LOW INCOME
CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS SERVED BY
PUBLICLY OWNED UTILITIES HAVE NO
ACCESS ONLY LIMITED ACCESS TO S
CHIP. LOW INCOME RURAL
HOUSEHOLDS IN CALIFORNIA, SERVED
BY WESTERN AREA OF POWER
ADMINISTRATION HAVE NO ACCESS
WHATSOEVER. WITH THE GOVERNOR'S
PROPOSING TO USE GENERAL FUND
DOLLARS AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR
BECAUSE THERE WAS AN OPPOSITION
LETTER TODAY THAT CONSISTENTLY
SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE
USING RATEPAYER MONEY. THIS BILL
DOES NOT USE REPAIR MONEY. IT'S
USING GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAT
HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED BY
THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THIS
BILL IS INTENDING TO EQUITABLY
DISTRIBUTE THAT MONEY. THAT'S
THE THIS IS THE COMPANION BILL.
SO WITH THE GENERAL WITH THE
GOVERNOR'S PROPOSING TO USE
GENERAL FUND DOLLARS AND NOT
REPAY HER DOLLARS, THE STATE CAN
HAVE A MORE EQUITABLE JUST
DEPLOYMENT OF CLEAN TECHNOLOGY
STATEWIDE AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO
DEVELOP GUIDELINES SPECIFIC TO
THE NEEDS AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF
LOW INCOME WORKING CLASS
HOUSEHOLDS ACROSS THE STATE,
INCLUDING IN RURAL AREAS. SO WE
DID RECEIVE OPPOSITION TODAY
WITH CONCERNS ON COST
EFFECTIVENESS WITH REGARDS TO
VALUATION OF RESILIENCY
BENEFITS. I'D LIKE TO POINT TO
PAGE THREE OF THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS TO NOTE THAT RESILIENCY
. CONSIDERATIONS ARE ALREADY
INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE
CONTINUING S CHIP PROGRAM DUE TO
THE YEARS OF THE STATE,
COMBATING WILDFIRES AND PS PS
EVENTS, SO TO BE CLEAR THE
RESILIENCY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR
POWERS TURNED OFF BECAUSE OF A
WIND EVENT. THAT YOUR
REFRIGERATOR STAYS ON AND THAT
CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE THE COST
IMPACT OF HAVING TO REPLACE AN
ENTIRE REFRIGERATORS WORTH OF
FOOD. SO THAT A HOSPITAL MAYBE
THAT IS THE BENEFICIARY OF THIS
CAN KEEP THEIR LIGHTS RUNNING SO
THAT MAYBE YOU HAVE A SENIOR
CENTER THAT CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE
A CONDITIONING IN THE MIDDLE OF
EXTREME HEAT EVENT. THAT AND
WIND EVENT THAT'S LED TO A POWER
DOWN. THAT'S THE KIND OF
RESILIENCY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
HERE IS MAKING SURE THAT
EVERYBODY CAN KEEP THEIR POWER
ON HIS BEST THAT WE CAN I, OF
COURSE, WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN
WITH ANY ANYONE WHO HAS CONCERNS
TO CONTINUE TO WORK AND ADDRESS
THEIR CONCERNS. WE HAVE ALWAYS
BEEN VERY OPEN TO TALKING TO
STAKEHOLDERS AND I WOULD INVITE
THEM TO SIT DOWN WITH US IN
ADVANCE, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH ANYONE WHO HAS HAS GOT
CONCERNS TO ENSURE THAT
APPROPRIATE GUARDRAILS ARE IN
PLACE TO ENSURE FISCAL
DISCIPLINE AND THE DEPLOYMENT OF
THESE FUNDS. WITH ME TODAY TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL IS
PATRICK WELSH WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL UTILITIES
ASSOCIATION AND JOHN MOFFITT ON
BEHALF OF NRG. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. I'M PATRICK WELSH WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL UTILITIES
ASSOCIATION REPRESENTS PUBLICLY
AND ELECTRIC UTILITIES THAT
PROVIDE POWER TO 25% OF THE
STATE. I THINK THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DID A REALLY
GOOD JOB ARTICULATING ISSUES. WE
APPRECIATE HER LEADERSHIP AND
THOUGHTFULNESS ON THIS BILL AND
REALLY JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE
THAT A B 16 64 SIMPLY RECOGNIZES
THAT POUSADA LOCALLY GOVERNED
AND THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE A
LEVEL OF DISCRETION WHEN IT
COMES TO DESIGNING THIS PROGRAM
, IF AND WHEN THIS LEGISLATURE
CHOOSES TO APPROPRIATE THE
MONEY. FOR THIS EXPANDED PROGRAM
THE GOVERNOR HAS PUT ON THE
TABLE AS PART OF HIS JANUARY
BUDGET PROPOSAL, A $630 MILLION
PACKAGE SPECIFICALLY FOR LOW
INCOME CUSTOMERS. THIS BILL
SIMPLY SAYS IF THE PUC RECEIVES
THAT JUST SET ASIDE A PORTION OF
THAT AND DISTRIBUTED BLOCK
GRANTS TO PUBLIC AND UTILITIES
SO THAT THEY CAN DESIGN THE
PROGRAM AS THEY SEE FIT TO MATCH
THE NEEDS OF COMMUNITIES WITH
THAT WE RESPECT THE URGE YOUR I
VOTE AND AGAIN APPRECIATE THE
AUTHORS LEADERSHIP ON THIS
ISSUE. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE JOHN MOFFITT ON
BEHALF OF ENERGY, ALSO IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. WHAT ONLINE
ARE COMMENTS WITH THOSE OF CMU A
AGAIN APPRECIATING THE AUTHOR'S
WORK ON THIS ISSUE. WE THINK
IT'S AN APPROPRIATE APPROACH. A
BLOCK GRANT STRUCTURE IS A GOOD
STRUCTURE TO BE UTILIZED AS THE
BILL ALLOWS BY CCS BY TRIBES BY
POU S. AND THE FOCUS ON LOW
INCOME LOW INCOME CONSUMERS,
PERHAPS AN AREA WHERE THE
CURRENT EXISTING PROGRAM IS
FALLING SHORT WITHIN IS AN
APPROPRIATE MEASURE TO MOVE
FORWARD AND WE ASKED FOR THE
COMMITTEE'S I VOTE TODAY. THANK
YOU. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION WITNESS WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. OKAY, SO NO. ONE
PUBLIC COMMENTS. THOSE WISHING
TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, SUPPORT NAME
, AFFILIATION AND POSITION.
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS GREGG COOK,
REPRESENTING ANOTHER CALIFORNIA
POWER AGENCY, AND SUPPORT GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR MEMBERS,
ANTHONY SAMPSON ON BEHALF OF THE
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PUBLIC POWER
AUTHORITY AND SUPPORT OKAY,
ANYONE ELSE YOU KNOW ONE BRING
IT BACK TO THE DAYS AND ANY
QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. IS THERE A
MOTION MOTION THE SECOND ALREADY
? WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
QUESTION? I VOTE SO WE CAN
CONTINUE MOVING THE CONVERSATION
FORWARD SO THAT THE LEGISLATURE
HAS A HAND AND THEN FIGURING OUT
HOW TO BEST EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE
THESE FUNDS. ALRIGHT MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL. ITEM
NUMBER EIGHT A B 16 64. THE
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS. GARCIA GARCIA. I
CALLED AROUND AROUND I KOREA
CARILLO I CHEN CONNELLY
CONNELLY. I DICKSON DICKSON. I
HOLD IN MY MATHIS. KEPNER.
KEPNER I MURATSUCHI MASUCCI. I
RAISE I WAS I SANTIAGO SHIAVO.
TEACHING. WALLACE. WALLACE. AYE.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL LEAVE THE ROLE
OPEN FOR OTHER MEMBERS TO ADD ON
. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE
TOP OF THE AGENDA WILL START
WITH THE CONSENT CALENDAR MAKE
AROUND FOR MEMBERS TO ADD ON
FOLLOWED BY THE BILLS THAT WERE
JUST HURT. ITEM NUMBER ONE. 47 9
10. 11 AND 13 OF THE CONSENT.
FILE. CHEN SKINNER. AYE.
MCKENNA. I, SANTIAGO. SHE AVO.
CHING. ITEM NUMBER TWO. A B 841
. THE MOTION IS DUE PASSES
AMENDED TO NATURAL RESOURCES.
GARCIA GARCIA. I CALLED AROUND
BY CALLED AROUND I KOREA CARILLO
I CHEN CONNELLY CONNELLY. I
DICKSON DICKSON. I HOLDIN HOLDEN
I MATHIS MCKENNA. MCKENNA I
MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI I RAISE.
REYES I SANTIAGO SHIAVO TING
WALLACE WALLACE. AYE. ITEM
NUMBER THREE. A B 11 98. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED.
TWO JOBS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
AND THE ECONOMY COMMITTEE.
GARCIA GARCIA. I CALLED A RAM.
CALDERON I KOREA CARILLO I CHEN
CONNELLY CONNELLY. I DICKSON
DICKSON. I HOLD IN MY METHOD.
THIS INNER MCKENNA. I MURATSUCHI
MURATSUCHI. AYE. RAISE RAISE I
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO I SHIAVO VÚI
TING. WALLACE WALLACE. AYE. ITEM
NUMBER FIVE. A B 15 29. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASSES AMENDED TO
TRANSPORTATION. GARCIA GARCIA. I
CALLED AROUND ON I KOREA CARILLO
I CHEN CONNELLY CONNELLY. I
DIXON DIXON NOT VOTING, HOLDEN.
HOLD ON. I'M AT THIS MAKIN ER.
WIENER EIMER. SUKI SUKI. I RAISE
RAISE I SANTIAGO. SANTIAGO I
SHIAVO VÚI TING. WALLACE
WALLACE. AYE. ITEM NUMBER SIX. A
B 15 50 IN THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS AS AMENDED TO NATURAL
RESOURCES. CHEN WIENER. MCKENNA?
AYE. SANTIAGO. SANTIAGO I
BROUGH. VÚI TING. ITEM NUMBER
EIGHT. A B 16 64. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
CHEN. MATHIS. SANTIAGO. SANTIAGO
I SZABO VÚI TING. ITEM NUMBER 12
A B 15 38. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS AS AMENDED TO NATURAL
RESOURCES. GARCIA GARCIA. AYE.
CHEN. MATHIS. MCKENNA MCKENNA.
AYE. SANTIAGO. SANTIAGO I SZABO
VÚI TING. OKAY? OKAY WE'RE GONNA
LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN UNTIL ABOUT
3 23 25 TO ADD MCKENNA ON SOME,
OKAY? FOR THE OTHER MEMBERS. 3
23 25. WE WILL BE GAVELING DOWN,
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE
TOP OF THE AGENDA FOR JUST A
MOMENT. YEAH, I DO. YEAH.
THIS IS THE CONSENT FILE. CHEN.
CHENNAI. SANTIAGO SANTIAGO, I
SZABO VÚI TING. OKAY? ITEM
NUMBER TWO. A B 841. Dð PASSES
AMENDED TO NATURAL RESOURCES.
CHEN HMM. HI. CHENNAI. MATHIS.
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO. AYE. BROUGH.
VÚI TING. ITEM NUMBER THREE A B
11 98. THE MOTION IS DUE PASSES
AMENDED TO JOBS, ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT AND THE ECONOMY
COMMITTEE. CHEN CHAN. AYE.
MATHIS. TEACHING. ITEM NUMBER
FIVE. MAYBE 15 29 Dð PASSES
AMENDED TO TRANSPORTATION CHEN
CHENNAI, MATHIS. KING. ITEM
NUMBER SIX A. B 15 50 Dð PASSES
AMENDED TO NATURAL RESOURCES
CHEN CHEN NO. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT
A B 16 64 DO PAST
APPROPRIATIONS. CHEN. SHE WAS A
B 16 64 DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. THANK YOU,
CHENNAI. ITEM NUMBER 12. A B 15
38. Dð PASSES AMENDED TO NATURAL
RESOURCES. CHEN CHEN. AYE. OH
HERE WE GO. THIS IS THE CONSENT
FILE. CHING CHING. AYE. ITEM
NUMBER TWO A. B 841 Dð PASSES
AMENDED TO NATURAL RESOURCES.
MATHIS. CHING CHING. I ITEM
NUMBER THREE A. B 11 98 PASSES
AMENDED TO JOBS, ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT AND THE ECONOMY
COMMITTEE. MATHIS CHING CHING.
AYE. ITEM NUMBER 5 15 29 Dð
PASSES AMENDED TO TRANSPORTATION
TING TING I ITEM NUMBER SIX.
MAYBE 15 50 Dð PASSES AMENDED TO
NATURAL RESOURCES. TING TING.
AYE. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT A B 16 64
. THE MOTIONS DO PAST
APPROPRIATIONS. TING TING. AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 12 15 38 Dð PASSES
AMENDED TO NATURAL RESOURCES.
TING TING. AYE. CHANGING US.
OKAY WE WILL STAY OPEN FOR
ANOTHER 10 MINUTES. FOR THE LAST
MEMBER TO ADD ON.
I KNOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW MY OWN.
ITEM NUMBER TWO A B 841 DAY
PASSES AMENDED TO NATURAL
RESOURCES MATHIS. THAT'S A B 841
ITEM NUMBER TWO. MATHIS. AYE.
AND THAT IS 15 00. THE BILL GETS
OUT. ITEM NUMBER THREE A B 11
98. Dð PASSES AMENDED TO JOBS,
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE
ECONOMY COMMITTEE. MATHIS THIS I
15 0 15 0. BILL GETS OUT. ITEM
NUMBER FIVE. MAYBE 15 29 Dð
PASSES AMENDED TO TRANSPORTATION
MATHIS METHODS, NOT VOTING.
THAT'S 13 0 13 0. THE BILL GETS
OUT. ITEM NUMBER SIX A B 15 50.
Dð PASSES AMENDED TO NATURAL
RESOURCES. AND I HAVE EVERYBODY
VOTING ON THEIR 11 4 11 GETS
OUT. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT A B 16 64
DO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
MATHIS. THAT'S A B 16 64. IT WAS
MATHIS. AYE. 15 0 15 0. ITEM
NUMBER 12. MAYBE 15 38 Dð PASSES
AMENDED TO NATURAL RESOURCES.
MATHIS METHODS. NO. 12 TO 12 TO
THE BILL GETS OUT. I THINK THAT
THE KIDNEY. NO CONTENT. CALENDAR
UM, HAS BEEN APPROVED 15 0 AND
SO AT THIS TIME, EVERYONE'S
ADDED ON AND WE WILL ADJOURN.