GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSEMBLY PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING. LET'S
SEE. PERSON. HOUSEKEEPING. WHAT
I FIND MY LITTLE. FIRST OF ALL
ALL WITNESS TESTIMONY WILL BE IN
PERSON. THERE WILL BE NO PHONE
TESTIMONY OPTION FOR THIS
HEARING. YOU CAN FIND
INFORMATION ON THE COMMITTEE'S
WEBSITE. AT ASSEMBLY DOT CA.GOV
BACKSLASH COMMITTEES. UM, WE'RE
WAITING TO EVER QUORUM. BUT IN
THE MEANTIME, WE'LL BEGIN AT THE
SUBCOMMITTEE. AND, UH, WELL, LET
ME AT LEAST TELL YOU WHAT'S OFF
COUNTER WOULD WAIT. BUT WE HAVE
A LONG. LONG LIST. SO OFF
CALENDAR TODAY, JUST IN CASE
YOU'RE HERE FOR ANY OF THESE
ITEM NUMBER 6 85 61 CHIN WITH
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REMEMBER EIGHT, ABC 797 WEBBER
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NUMBER 10. A B 10 39 RODRIGUEZ
PULLED BY THE AUTHOR. I DON'T
REMEMBER 19. A B 14 97 AIMING
PULLED BY COMMITTEE. I REMEMBER
24 A B 17 21 TOP PULLED BY
AUTHOR FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS
MISS. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
QUIRK-SILVA BUILD NUMBER 11 87
ITEM NUMBER 11. WE'LL BEGIN AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE AND AS SOON AS WE
GET A QUORUM. WELL. WE'LL BE
ABLE TO VOTE ON THIS. WHENEVER
YOU'RE READY. GOOD MORNING, MR
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE CONSULTANT FOR WORKING
WITH OUR OFFICE ON THIS
IMPORTANT LEGISLATION AND ACCEPT
THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS.
ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES
ARE WELL DOCUMENTED IN ARE
LINKED TO NEGATIVE OUTCOMES INTO
ADULTHOOD, INCLUDING, BUT NOT
LIMITED TO PTSD, REPEATING
PATTERNS OF VIOLENCE, CHRONIC
HEALTH PROBLEMS, MENTAL ILLNESS
AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE. CHILDREN
WHO SURVIVE AND OR WITNESS
FAMILY VIOLENCE, CHILD ABUSE AND
GLEICK, K¾T AND OR HAVE A FAMILY
MEMBER DIED BY SUICIDE SHOULD
RECEIVE REFERRALS FOR SUPPORT
AND THERAPEUTIC GRIEF. FOCUSED
INTERVENTIONS FROM HIGHLY
SKILLED AND TRAINED
PROFESSIONALS SUCH AS CERTIFIED
CHILD LIFE SPECIALISTS. CC L S.
PAPERS DON'T WANT TO MOVE TO IT
WHEN CHILDREN ENTER THE SYSTEM,
WHETHER IT BE THROUGH LAW
ENFORCEMENT, CALIFORNIA FAMILY
SERVICES OR DEPENDENCY OR
CRIMINAL COURT. THE NEED FOR
GRIEF COUNSELING, MAYBE OVER LOO
LOOK DUE TO THE MANY OTHER
PENDING CHALLENGES, INCLUDING
SHORTAGE OF MENTAL AND
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PROVIDERS, AS
WELL AS COMPETING PRIORITIES AT
THE TIME. THESE CHILDREN AND
FAMILIES ARE IN DIRE NEED OF
GRIEF INTERVENTIONS TO LESSEN
SUFFERING, PROMOTE RESILIENCE
AND MITIGATE THE POTENTIAL FOR
THESE NEGATIVE, SOCIAL,
EMOTIONAL, DEVELOPMENTAL AND
BEHAVIORAL EFFECTS OVER THEIR
LIFESPAN. CERTIFIED CHILD LIFE
SPECIALISTS PROVIDE CARE AND
INNOVATIONS THAT ARE FAMILY
CENTERED EVIDENCE BASED TRAUMA.
INFORMED AND DEVELOPMENT, THE
PSYCHOLOGICALLY APPROPRIATE.
CHILD LIFE SPECIALISTS ARE
TRAINED AND EQUIPPED TO RESPOND
TO TRAUMA CASES AND ARE WELL
PREPARED TO PROVIDE GRIEF AND
CRISIS INTERVENTIONS FOR FAMILY
MEMBERS OF ALL AGES IN THE FACE
OF TRAGEDY. UNFORTUNATELY THE
CALIFORNIA VICTIM COMPENSATION
BOARD CURRENTLY DOES NOT INCLUDE
CERTIFIED CHILD LIFE SPECIALIST
ON THE LIST OF AUTHORIZED MENTAL
HEALTH. TREATMENT PROVIDERS AND
THEREFORE VALUABLE SERVICES
PROVIDED BY A CERTIFIED CHILD
LIFE SPECIALIST IS NOT
REIMBURSABLE FOR THE VICTIMS OF
A CRIME PROGRAM. A B 11 87
INCLUDES SERVICES PROVIDED TO A
CHILD VICTIM OF CRIME BY A
CERTIFIED CHILD LIFE SPECIALIST
WHO IS SUPERVISED BY A LICENSE
PROVIDER. AND THEREFORE
REIMBURSABLE BY THE CALIFORNIA
VICTIMS OF CRIME PROGRAM WITH ME
TODAY TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF
A B 11 87 AND ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS ARE MR DAN FELICIA
OTTO, SPECIAL ASSISTANT DISTRICT
ATTORNEY WITH THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE, AND MS LINDA GARCI
GARCIA, CERTIFIED LIFE CHILD
SPECIALIST. WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY, MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS. DAN
PHIL IS THAT ON BEHALF OF THE
LOS ANGELES COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE'RE PROUD
TO SPONSOR A B 11 87. AS THE
ASSEMBLY WOMAN TESTIFIED. UH
ENFORCEMENT. WE FACE MANY
CHALLENGES WHEN WE COME ACROSS
CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN THE
VICTIM OF CHILD ABUSE, CHILD
SEXUAL ABUSE, CHILD NEGLECT, OR
, UH, HAVE WITNESSED OTHER
FAMILY MEMBERS BECOME VICTIMS OF
VIOLENT CRIMES. THESE CHILDREN
ARE OFTEN THEIR MENTAL HEALTH
NEEDS ARE OFTEN OVERLOOKED WHEN
THEY COME INTO THE SYSTEM,
WHETHER IT BE THROUGH LAW
ENFORCEMENT, UH THROUGH
CHILDREN'S SERVICES, OR, UH,
THROUGH THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
THE CERTIFIED CHILD LIFE
SPECIALISTS ARE JUST WHAT THEY
SOUND LIKE. THEY ARE SPECIALISTS
WHO HELP CHILDREN WHO HAVE FACED
SEVERE TRAUMA. A B 11 87. WILL
CLOSE THE. LOOPHOLE IN OUR STATE
LAW SO THAT THE CHURCH CERTIFIED
CHILD LIFE SPECIALISTS ARE
ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT WHEN
THEY WORK UNDER THE DIRECT
SUPERVISION. UH OF ONE OF THE
ALREADY APPROVED MENTAL HEALTH
PROVIDERS. NOTHING IN A B 11 87
WILL EXPAND THE TYPES OF VICTIMS
THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR SERVICES.
IT MERELY ALLOWS VICTIMS WHO ARE
ALREADY ELIGIBLE FOR SERVICES TO
BE REIMBURSED WHEN THEY SEE A
CERTIFIED CHILD LIFE
SPECIALISTS. THOSE NEGATIVE
IMPACTS OF THE ASSEMBLY WOMAN
DESCRIBED ARE VERY REAL. AND THE
TO BE ADDRESSED AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE. SOME CHILDREN WHO HAVE
FACED SEVERE TRAUMA. UH ARE
REFERRED TO SEE CLS ALREADY IN L
. A COUNTY. WE HAD THREE CC. LS
WHO WERE, UH, ASSISTING CHILD
VICTIMS OF CRIME? UNFORTUNATELY
THE GRANT THAT PAID FOR THAT
EXPIRED AND THEN WASN'T RENEWED
SO WITHOUT A V 11 87 HMM. DON'T
HAVE AN ABILITY TO GET THESE
VICTIMS TOO. AH THIS TRAINING
AND SPECIALISTS THEY NEED THAT'S
WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT. JACK.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
. MY NAME IS LINDA GARCIA. AND
I'M A CERTIFIED CHILD LIFE
SPECIALIST PRACTICING FOR MORE
THAN 20 YEARS IN THE PEDIATRIC
MEDICAL SETTING. CURRENTLY I
PROVIDE TRAUMA AND GRIEVANCE
HOME SERVICES TO CHILDREN IN THE
COMMUNITY. I'M HERE TODAY TO
SHARE THE NEED FOR CHILD LIFE
SPECIALIST TO PROVIDE TRAUMA AND
GRIEF SUPPORT TO CHILDREN WHO
BECOME VICTIMS OF SEVERE FAMILY
VIOLENCE. CERTIFIED CHILD LIFE
SPECIALISTS ARE TRAINED AS
MENTIONED AND OUR PROVIDE AND
POSSESS THE NECESSARY CLINICAL
SKILLS TO PROVIDE TRAUMA AND
GRIEF SERVICES. THE RIGOROUS
ACADEMIC TRAINING MIRRORS THAT
OF PSYCHOLOGY, FT. SOCIAL WORK,
HOWEVER, CERTIFIED CHILD LIFE
SPECIALIST TAKE ANOTHER JOURNEY
AND ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE COURSES
AND THERAPEUTIC PLAY COPING AND
GRIEF AND LOSS. ARE SPECIFIC
TRAINING TO FACILITATE BRIEF
INTERVENTIONS LESSEN THE TRAUMA
OF LOSS. CREATE A SPACE FOR
CHILDREN, SURVIVING CHILDREN TO
SAY GOODBYE. ATTEND A FUNERAL OR
EVEN VISIT A GRAVE ESTABLISHING
A FOUNDATION FOR POSITIVE COPING
AND RESILIENCE IN THE FACE OF A
TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE. I WOULD
LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT A CHILD
LIFE SPECIALIST CAN DO TO ASSIST
THE VICTIM WHO HAS WITNESSED
FAMILY VIOLENCE. THE BEST WAY
FOR ME TO DO THIS IS TO TALK
ABOUT A CASE THAT I HAVE BEEN
INVOLVED WITH. THIS IS A CASE OF
A THREE YEAR OLD WHO WITNESSED
THE MURDER OF HER MOTHER, WHO
WAS SHOT BY THE BIOLOGICAL
FATHER. THIS CHILD SAT IN THE
CAR. WATCH THIS. HER MOTHER FELL
ON THE DOORSTEPS OF THE
BABYSITTER'S HOME. SHE THEN GOT
OUT OF THE CAR AND RAN TO HER
MOTHER, WHO WAS DEAD ON THE
SCENE. AS A MENTAL HEALTH
PROFESSIONAL. THE IMAGES OF THIS
SCENE IS INTENSE. AND THE MANY
QUESTIONS THAT FOLLOW WERE
CONSTANT. NOT TO MENTION WHAT IT
WAS FOR THIS THREE YEAR OLD I
RECEIVED A REFERRAL THREE MONTHS
AFTER THE VIOLENT ACT. IT IS
UNKNOWN WHY THE DELAY OF
SERVICES? I IMMEDIATELY TOOK ON
THIS CASE AND STARTED MY WEEKLY
HOME VISITS. I HAVE FOUND THAT
HOME VISITS ARE MORE APPROPRIATE
FOR CHILDREN AFTER SUCH A
TRAUMATIC EVENT. DUE TO THEIR
INABILITY, FEAR, GRIEF AND
CONFUSION ABOUT TRAUMA. THESE
HOME VISITS ALLOWED ME TO MEET
THE CHILD WHERE THEY'RE AT IN
THEIR TRAUMA AND TO PROVIDE
SERVICES IN A FAMILIAR
ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY FEEL
SAFE. THIS YOUNG CHILD PRESENTED
WITH REGRESSIVE BEHAVIORS,
CRYING BEDWETTING NIGHTMARES,
HER DEVELOPMENT WAS AT RISK. DUE
TO THE INTERRUPTED ATTACHMENT
RELATIONSHIPS. HER LACK OF
UNDERSTANDING, DEATH, GRIEF AND
THE CONFUSION OF THE WHEREABOUTS
OF HER MOTHER. EMOTIONALLY SHE
WAS EXPERIENCING LOSS OF SECURED
ATTACHMENTS, LOSS OF SUPPORT
FROM HER DOG. EXCESSIVE CLINGING
TO HER GRANDMOTHER, SEPARATION,
ANXIETY AND DEMANDS FOR
ATTENTION. BECAUSE OF THE
DEVELOPMENTAL AND COGNITIVE
LEVEL OF THIS CHILD, HELPING
THIS CHILD DEVELOP STRATEGIES
WAS IMPORTANT TO HELP HER KING
CONTROL AND TO DEAL WITH THE
TRAUMATIC MEMORIES AND TRIGGERS
THAT SHE HAD. EVENTUALLY THE
NIGHTMARES AND THE BED WEDDINGS
STOPPED. DEVELOPING COPING
STRATEGIES FOR THESE CHILDREN IS
IMPORTANT. THEY SERVE AS A
KEEPSAKE THAT THEY LET THAT
LASTS FOREVER. CURRENTLY THIS
CHILD IS THRIVING AND
EMOTIONALLY STABLE. SHE EXHIBITS
HEALTHY AND NORMAL DEVELOPMENT.
SHE COMPLETED HEAD START. AND
HAS REACHED HER FULLEST
POTENTIAL OF LEARNING IMPROVED
ATTENTION SPAN COOPERATIVE HAPPY
SOCIALIZING WITH NEW FRIENDS.
SHE HAS ADAPTED POSITIVELY AND
IS THRIVING IN HER NEW LIVING
SITUATION AND IN HER COMMUNITY.
I BELIEVE THAT TRAUMATIZED
VICTIMS WHO WITNESSED THE
TERRORS OF FAMILY VIOLENCE NEED
TRAUMA AND GRIEF SUPPORT IN
ORDER TO PROMOTE RESILIENCE. IT
IS MY HOPE THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT
CERTIFIED CHILD LIFE SPECIALIST
CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE
LIVES OF SURVIVING CHILDREN AND
FAMILIES. AND THAT YOU ALSO
BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT
REMAIN DISENFRANCHISED IN THEIR
TRAUMA AND GRIEF. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
OTHER WITNESSES AND SUPPORT ANY
WITNESSES THEM SUPPORT. SEEN
NONE OR ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. SEEN NONE. I WILL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE THEM
BIRDS. THERE THEY GO. MR BARBER
MOVED THE BILL. I WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS. I THINK
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. REALLY
YOU KNOW, THANKFUL THAT. THE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER, YOU KNOW WHO'S
A FORMER TEACHER HAS REALLY MADE
PROTECTING KIDS A PRIORITY IN
HER WORK HERE IN THE ASSEMBLY, I
THINK FUNDING THIS KIND OF
PROGRAMS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT THE
WITNESSES STATED STRONGLY IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL AND JUST
WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. BUT
UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE A
QUORUM YET. WE CAN'T MOVE IT YET
JUST YET, BUT WE WILL. SO NOTED.
DID YOU MISS ORTEGA? WHEN WE
HAVE A QUARREL WILL SUPPORT THE
BILL AND WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR TAKING ON SUCH A AH,
IMPORTANT SUBJECT. UH IT'S A
LIFESAVING BILL. BECAUSE IT'S
ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY. AND I
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TESTIMONY
TODAY AND WE'LL BE SUPPORTING
IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I
THINK THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT
WHO THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE. AND
WHEN IT COMING FROM HOW THEY'RE
TRAINED. UM DO YOU HAVE ANY
BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THAT?
UH WE ARE ACCEPTING THE
AMENDMENTS. AND AS WAS SAYING
THESE, UH INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE
SUPERVISED BY LICENSED PROVIDER.
OKAY PARTICULAR SKILL SET THAT
YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A GROUP OF
CERTIFIED TRAINED CHILD LIFE
SPECIALISTS WHO MEET THE
REQUIREMENTS OF DOING THIS
SPECIALIZED WORK. AH AH, AND
IT'S A WORKGROUP IN LOS ANGELES
THAT ARE THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT
AREAS OF LOS ANGELES TO BE ABLE
TO RESPOND TO ANY REFERRALS MADE
TO US. GOOD. THANK YOU. UM WITH
THAT. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING AT
ALL. UNTIL WE GET A QUORUM. ONCE
WE DO, WE'LL BUT IT LOOKS LIKE
YOU GOT YOUR FIRST AND YOUR
SECOND IN THE WORLD VOTE ON IT.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MEMBERS.
NOW HAVE MR GIBSON. A B 15 55
ITEM NUMBER 20. 15 51. SURE. I
WANT TO SAY GOOD MORNING TO YOU,
MR CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS. THANK
YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT
ASSEMBLY BILL 15 51, WHICH SEEKS
TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF CHILDREN
WHO LOSE A PARENT AS A RESULT OF
VEHICLE HOMICIDE, OR HIT AND RUN
THAT RESULTS IN DEPTH. ALL
CHILDREN DESERVES AN EQUAL
CHANCE OF LIFE. THIS
OPPORTUNITY. IS TAKEN AWAY WHEN
A CHILD LOSES ITS PARENTS,
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S RESULTS IN A
CARELESS AND SELFISH ACT. WHEN
SOMEONE GETS BEHIND THE WILL OF
A CAR. D¯ÚI HIT AND RUN. UM ARE
THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AMONG
DRIVERS ON CALIFORNIA ROADWAYS
IN IN LOS ANGELES. ALONE D¯ÚI
HIT AND RUN ACCIDENTS ARE
RAMPANT. AND HAVE ONLY GONE UP
OVER THE YEARS. IN FACT,
ACCORDING TO THE DATA FROM THE
PERSONAL INJURY LAWYERS LOS
ANGELES IT RANKS 16TH LOS
ANGELES RATES 16TH AMONG THE U.
S CITIES WITH THE MOST D¯ÚI
ARREST. ACCORDING TO A LAW GROUP
A WHOPPING 50% OF ACCIDENTS
REPORTED IN GREATER LOS ANGELES
ARE CHARACTERIZED AS HIT AND RUN
ASSEMBLY BILL 15 51 WOULD
ESTABLISH AN INSTRUMENT TO
ENSURE THAT THE CHILDREN WHO
LOSES A PARENT IN A HIT AND RUN
D¯ÚI ACCIDENT. UM PROVIDES CHILD
SUPPORT TO THOSE CHILDREN. UM
AND LET ME JUST GO OFF SCRIPT
FOR A MOMENT. THIS BILL WAS
TAKEN OUT OF THE IDEAL AND
THOUGHT FROM TENNESSEE, A
GRANDMOTHER WHO LOST HER SON.
WHO IS THE MAIN PROVIDER FOR HIS
FAMILY. THAT SON WAS LIFE WAS
LOST, WAS TAKEN AWAY BY HIT AND
RUN DRIVER AND THE GRANDMOTHER
WAS OUTRAGED. NOW SHE HAS TO
TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY. UM
WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE MAIN
BREADWINNER IN THE FAMILY AWAY
DUE TO A SENSELESS DRUNK DRIVING
D¯ÚI YOU CRIPPLE THAT ENTIRE
FAMILY. A LOT OF CHILDREN AND
FAMILIES ARE ON HOUSED AS A
RESULT OF THAT, THAT BREADWINNER
NO LONGER BEING IN HOME. ALSO A
LOT OF THE CHILDREN LOSE BOTH
PAIRS IN SUCH A SENSELESS
ACCIDENT. UM BOTH PARENTS ARE
THE BREADWINNERS. AND SO THOSE
CHILDREN WINDS UP IN FOSTER
CARE. AND IN MY NOTES, MR
CHAIRMAN, CERTAINLY YOU ARE
INTIMATELY AND UNDERSTAND THIS.
MY STAFF WANTED ME TO TALK ABOUT
MY THREE YEAR OLD SON, WHO WAS
KILLED BY HIT AND RUN MOTORISTS
. UM THE WOMAN GOT OUT OF THE
CAR WHEN SHE SAW SHE HIT A THREE
YEAR OLD UM AND, UH, RAN TO HER
CAR TOOK OFF IN THE TOW TRUCK
DRIVER TRIED TO CAPTURE HER. WE
DON'T KNOW IF SHE WAS A D¯ÚI
DRIVER OR NOT, BUT THE FACT THAT
SHE LEFT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME
AND THAT SITUATION HAS, UM, YET
TO BE SOLVED, AND SHE'S STILL
OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. AND SO THIS
IS A PERSONAL THING FOR ME AND
MY FAMILY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO
HIT AND RUN DRIVERS WHEN IT
COMES DOWN TO THE BREADWINNER
BEING TAKEN AWAY THE PALACIOS
FAMILY AND I'LL CONCLUDE ON THIS
NOTE. UM IT'S THE FAMILY THAT
LIVED IN MY COMMUNITY IN THE
NORTH LONG BEACH AREA. I DRUNK
DRIVER, LEAVING THE BOTTOMS UP
TAVERN, UM GOD IN HIS TRUCK
AFTER DOING COCAINE AND ALCOHOL
, UM, DID DONUT HOLES AND THEN
HIT THE ACCELERATOR RAN INTO THE
APARTMENT BUILDING WHERE THE
PALACIOS FAMILY WAS STAYING. UM
THE ACCIDENT TOOK THE LIFE OF
THE FATHER WHO WAS THE
BREADWINNER. AND HIS THREE YEAR
OLD DAUGHTER, UM, THE 17 YEAR
OLD SON JUST GOT UP TO GO USE
THE BATHROOM WAS IN THE BATHROOM
WHEN THE TRUCK DRIVER WHEN THE
DRIVER WENT THROUGH, UM, THE
HOME OF THE PLACE THEO'S FAMILY
, KILLING THE FATHER AND THE
THREE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. WELL
THAT FAMILY RIGHT NOW IS LIVING
FROM PILLAR TO POST WITH FAMILY
MEMBERS, TAKING THEM IN AH, AND
ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE SUN
GRADUATE ON TIME. WE ARE THAT
VILLAGE THAT SURROUNDING THAT
FAMILY TO MAKING SURE THAT THAT
FAMILY CONTINUE TO HAVE WHAT
THEY NEED. THAT'S WHY THIS BILL
15 51 IS IMPORTANT. I WILL PAUSE
NOW AND TURN IT OVER TO MY
WITNESS TO COME AND SAY A FEW
WORDS IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
GOOD MORNING COMMITTEE. IT'S
GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN AND I AM
HERE. MY NAME IS TOPO PADILLA
AND I'M AN EXECUTIVE BOARD
MEMBER WITH CRIME VICTIMS UNITED
CRIME VICTIMS. UNITED IS
OBVIOUSLY UNFORTUNATELY FORMED.
YOU DO A TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENED
TO THE SALERNO FAMILY IN 1979
SINCE THEN. WE HAVE WORKED ON
BEHALF OF CRIME VICTIMS. AND
JUST YESTERDAY, I LOOKED OUT THE
WEST STEPS OF THE CAPITOL. I
SAID, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? IT'S
SUPPOSEDLY A CRIME VICTIMS
GROUP. WE CAN'T GET THOUSANDS OF
CRIME VICTIMS TO COME DOWN HERE
AND MARCH THESE HALLS AND COME
TO YOUR DEAR OFFICES AND TALK TO
YOU MAY SEND IT. SEND ME HERE.
THIS BILL. IS ANOTHER STEP
TOWARDS ACCOUNTABILITY,
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR SOMEBODY'S
WRONGFUL ACTIONS I SEE IN THERE
. THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT
ARE THEY BEING PUNISHED TWICE?
DOESN'T MATTER. I MEAN, IT DOES
MATTER. YOU CAN'T HAVE DOUBLE
JEOPARDY. BUT THIS IS A THIS IS
A CONTINUATION OF THE
PUNISHMENT. YOU HAVE YOUR TIME
IN JAIL. NOW WHY SHOULDN'T YOU
HAVE FINANCIAL TERMS AND
CONDITIONS TO HELP? CHILDREN. OF
PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN FROM
THEIR LIVES. THIS BILL HAS BEEN
IT'S DONE IN TENNESSEE. IT'S
CALLED ETHAN'S, HALEY'S AND
BENTLEYS LAW IN MAY OF 2022 THAT
WAS INSPIRED BY MISSOURI'S LAW,
AND SINCE THEN IT'S THERE'S
SEVERAL OTHER STATES ACROSS THIS
COUNTRY THAT HAVE DONE IT. SO
WHY SHOULD WE HERE IN
CALIFORNIA? WE'VE DONE A LOT.
WE'VE DONE A LOT. I'VE SEEN THIS
COMMITTEE IN THIS LEGISLATURE DO
A LOT. FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE
COMMITTED CRIMES HAVE BEEN
CONVICTED. WE HAVE TO START
STANDING UP FOR VICTIMS, AND I
KNOW YOU ALL WANT TO. I DON'T
HAVE TO BEG YOU TO DO THAT. BUT
I DO SEE THIS AS BEING A GREAT
WAY TO JUST TAKE A STEP. IN THE
DIRECTION OF HELPING VICTIMS.
AND SPECIFICALLY CHILDREN, SO
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT?
AND THEN WITNESSING SUPPORT Ó.
GO FAST TODAY, AND HE WITNESSES
AND AN OPPOSITION. ALMOST MADE
US SPOKE TOO SOON. GEORGE ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION. I WANT TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE AND THE
AUTHOR FOR THE AMENDMENTS. AND
ALSO I'M VERY SORRY FOR YOUR
LOSS. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT
THAT, UM, THE. HAVING THE BILL
DIRECTED TOWARDS THE MONEY
COMING FROM THE VICTIM'S
COMPENSATION BOARD. STILL UM
COULD POSSIBLY RESULT IN A
RESTITUTION ORDER. AGAINST UM,
THE INDIVIDUAL IF THEY WERE
CONVICTED. AND. AH I THINK THAT
IMPOVERISHING SOMEONE AND
LEAVING THEM WITH A LIFELONG
DEBT. I WILL NEVER FILL THE LOSS
THAT SOMEONE FILLS AND IN THIS
KIND OF SITUATION AND WE HAVE TO
FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT EVERYONE
CAN HEAL AND HAVE THE FINANCIAL
WHEREWITHAL TO HAVE
OPPORTUNITIES. UM AT THIS POINT
, WE'RE STILL REMAIN OPPOSED. UM
UNLESS AMENDED BECAUSE WE FEEL
LIKE THIS IS A SITUATION TO THAT
SHOULD REALLY BE DEALT WITH
THROUGH THE CIVIL COURTS. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
OPPOSITION. YEAH. THEN WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. QUESTIONS CONCERNS. DO
YOU WANT TO ADDRESS? YES THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. AND I APPRECIATE.
UM UM, THE SPEAKER A FEW MOMENTS
AGO. UM AND TALKING ABOUT
LIFELONG DEBT. WELL IF A PARENT
HAS LOST THEIR LIVES IN A CAR
ACCIDENT OR HIT AND RUN. AND
THOSE CHILDREN. AND AGAIN, THIS
BILL IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE
CHILDREN. UM THEN WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CHILD,
MAYBE ONE HOUSED AS A RESULT,
BECAUSE THE BREADWINNER IS NO
LONGER THERE. THEIR WHOLE LIFE
HAS BEEN TURNED UPSIDE DOWN BY
DECISION THAT THE DRIVER MADE NO
ONE IS PUTTING A GUN TO THE
DRIVER'S HEAD TO HAVE ONE DRINK
AND GET BEHIND A MOTOR VEHICLE
AND TAKE SOMEONE'S LIFE. UM AND
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE
CHILDREN. UM IN THIS PARTICULAR
CASE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THESE CHILDREN ARE NOT JUST LEFT
AIMLESSLY IN OUR SOCIETY, MOVING
FROM PILLAR TO POST WINDING
THEMSELVES IN A FOSTER CARE
BECAUSE A DRIVER TOOK IT UPON
HIM OR HERSELF TO GET BEHIND US.
A TURNING WHEEL DRIVE CAR. AND
TAKE SOMEONE'S LIFE. AND SO I
THINK WHEN TENNESSEE BROUGHT
THIS BILL FORWARD, AND IT WAS
SIGNED INTO LAW, NUMEROUS OR
OTHER STATES FEEL THE SAME WAY,
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M
BRINGING THIS BILL BEFORE US,
TEXAS FELT THE SAME WAS FELT THE
SAME WAY WISCONSIN, NORTH
CAROLINA AND MANY OTHER STATES
IS FOLLOWING THE FOOTSTEPS OF
TENNESSEE AS I OPENED UP MY
INITIAL REMARKS. UM LOS ANGELES
WHERE I RESIDE IN THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY AREA. WE HAVE SO
MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR
LIVES DUE TO HIT AND RUN DUE TO
D¯ÚI DRIVERS. WE MUST MAKE SURE
THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS NOT ONLY
PAY THEIR DEBT IN SOCIETY, BUT
ALSO I THINK THERE'S A
RESPONSIBILITY IF THERE IS A
PARENT THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY
AS A RESULT. THAT THERE SHOULD
BE SOME FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY
ON THE DRIVER WHO TOOK THE
PARENTS LIFE AWAY. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK, BUT I VOTE AT
THE APPROPRIATE TIME. UH I DON'T
HAVE A QUORUM. UNFORTUNATE. SO
WHEN WE WHEN WE DO, WE'LL BRING
IT UP. FOR A VOTE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. 1ST AND 2ND. THEN
WE'LL BRING IT UP FOR A VOTE.
YES QUORUM. ALL WITH THE YEAH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
UH, REMEMBER WEBER 15 84 ITEM
NUMBER 21.
GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.
FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS
BILL AND I ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS. I'M HERE
TODAY TO PRESENT A B 15 80 FOR A
BILL THAT WERE MODERNIZED THE
STATE'S COMPETENCY TO STAND
TRIAL PROCESS. CURRENTLY IF AN
INDIVIDUAL IS FACING CHARGES.
THEY CANNOT BE TRIED OR PUNISHED
WHILE THEY ARE INCOMPETENT. IF
THEY DOUBT IS RAISED ON A
DEFENDANT'S COMPETENCY. THE
COURT MUST SUSPEND CRIMINAL
PROCEEDINGS AND SET A TRIAL TO
DETERMINE WHETHER THE DEFENDANT
IS COMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL.
CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS MAY NOT
RESUME UNLESS AND UNTIL THE
PERSON IS FOUND COMPETENT. ONCE
SOMEONE IS DETERMINED TO BE
INCOMPETENT AND A FELONY CASE,
THE JUDGE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO
COMMIT THAT PERSON TO STATE
HOSPITAL FOR RESTORATION. EVEN
IF OTHER TREATMENT OPTIONS WOULD
BE MORE EFFECTIVE, LIKE
COMMUNITY BASED TREATMENT,
DIVERSION OR CONSERVATORSHIP.
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FOUND
INCOMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL IN
CALIFORNIA HAS FAR OUTPACED THE
STATE'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE
TIMELY SERVICE AND RESPONSE. THE
DEPARTMENT OF STATE HOSPITALS
PROJECTS THAT AS A JUNE 30TH
2023 THE WAITLIST FOR COMPETENCY
RESTORATION WILL EXCEED 1400
PERSONS. AS A RESULT, PEOPLE MAY
WAIT MANY MONTHS IN JAIL BEFORE
THEY ARE PLACED IN A RESTORATION
PROGRAM. MOST WHO ARE FOUND
INCOMPETENT AND THEN RESTORED TO
COMPETENCY OFTEN CYCLE BACK
THROUGH THE VERY SAME PROCESS.
THEY ARE RELEASED TO THE SAME
CONDITIONS THAT LED TO THEIR
INCARCERATION, MANAGING SYMPTOMS
OF SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS
WITHOUT HOUSING, TREATMENT OR
SUPPORT. FOR THESE REASONS,
MAYBE 15 84 DOES THE FOLLOWING
PROVIDES THE JUDGE WITH
DISCRETION TO REFER INDIVIDUALS
WHO HAVE BEEN FOUND INCOMPETENT
TO STAND TRIAL TO MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT WHEN RESTORATION TO
COMPETENCY IS NOT IN THE
INTEREST OF JUSTICE. EVERY
QUESTED BY THE DEFENSE REQUIRES
A COURT APPOINTED MENTAL HEALTH
EXPERT TO EVALUATE WHETHER A
PERSON FOUND INCOMPETENT TO
STAND TRIAL IS ELIGIBLE AND
SUITABLE FOR MENTAL HEALTH
DIVERSION REQUIRES QUOTE
APPOINTED MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS
TO RETURN COMPETENCY EVALUATIONS
WITHIN 30 DAYS ABSENT GOOD CAUSE
FOR EXTENSION. AND FINALLY, THE
BILL REQUIRES ANY HEARING FOR
MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION TO TAKE
PLACE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF A
FINDING OF INCOMPETENCY. THE
GOAL OF A B 15 84 IS TO PROMOTE
SPEEDY ACCESS TO TREATMENT FOR
THOSE SERIAL SEVERELY AND
ACUTELY ILL INDIVIDUALS, REDUCE
COURT AND COUNTY DETENTION COST.
FACILITY COST AND INCREASED
JUDICIAL EFFICIENCY BY LIMITING
THE SETTING OF UNNECESSARY JURY
TRIALS. THIS BILL IS SPONSORED
BY THE A. C L U AND THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION. HERE TO TESTIFY
WITH ME TODAY IS DIMITRIUS
SIMPSON HEALTHCARE WORKER AND
MADERA COUNTY WHOSE SON HAS BEEN
IMPACTED BY THE ISTEA PROCESS,
AND STEPHANIE REGULAR AND
ASSISTANT PUBLIC DEFENDER OUT OF
CONTRA COSTA COUNTY PUBLIC
DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND A BOARD
MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS STEPHANIE REGULAR I'M, A
BOARD MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION CO
SPONSOR OF HB 15 84. I HAVE ALSO
BEEN A PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 22
YEARS AND SPECIALIZING IN MENTAL
HEALTH CASES AND COMPANY THIS
COMPETENCY TO STAND TRIAL
MATTERS FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS.
THE STATE'S MODERNIZATION OF THE
MISDEMEANOR COMPETENCY TO STAND
. TRIAL PROVISIONS HAVE BEEN
TRANSFORMATIVE FOR MY CLIENTS.
BUT MY CLIENTS WHO ARE
INCOMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL AND
CHARGED WITH FELONY OFFENSES ARE
STILL SUFFERING THROUGH A COSTLY
, LENGTHY AND SOMETIMES
FRUITLESS RESTORATION PROCESS.
UNDER EXISTING LAW. MY CLIENTS
WAIT NEARLY TWO MONTHS FOR THE
COURT APPOINTED DOCTOR'S OPINION
REGARDING COMPETENCY. ANOTHER 30
DAYS FOR CONTRACT REPORT
REGARDING PLACEMENT. AND THEN
ANOTHER 4 TO 6 MONTHS BEFORE
ADMISSION TO A STATE HOSPITAL OR
SOMETIMES JUST ANOTHER JAIL
FACILITY FOR RESTORATION. WHEN
THEY RETURN. THEY ARE OFTEN IN
THE EXACT SAME CONDITION AS WHEN
THEY LEFT. THEY MAY HAVE GAINED
ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO ENTER GUILTY
PLEA. BUT THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED
ENOUGH TREATMENT TO CHANGE THE
TRAJECTORY OF THEIR LIFE. THE
PROBLEM IS THAT OUR CURRENT
SYSTEM IS NOT FOCUSED ON ACTUAL
TREATMENT. IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO
IMPROVE THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE
WHO CYCLE THROUGH IT. CONSISTENT
WITH COMMITTEE ON THE REVISION
OF THE PENAL CODE
RECOMMENDATIONS. MAYBE 15 84
PROVIDES COURTS WITH STATUTORY
TIMEFRAMES FOR QUICKER
DETERMINATIONS OF COMPETENCY. IT
REQUIRES COURT APPOINTED DOCTORS
TO OFFER AN OPINION REGARDING
DIVERSION IN LIKELIHOOD OF
RESTORATION. AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, IT GIVES COURTS THE
FLEXIBILITY TO ORDER MENTAL
HEALTH TREATMENT. A B 15 84
OFFERED THE HOPE THAT I HAVE
BEEN WAITING TO GIVE TO MY
CLIENTS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS
FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO MY NAME IS
DEMETRIUS SIMPSON. I'M A CARE
PROVIDER DEVOTED MOTHER. AND NOW
BY NECESSITY. I'M A MENTAL
HEALTH ADVOCATE. CAMERON HARRIS
IS MY ONLY CHILD. HE SUFFERS
ONGOING. TRAUMA. HE LOST HIS
FATHER, HIS UNCLES AND
GRANDFATHER. AND HE WITNESSED A
FRIEND'S MURDER WHEN HE WAS
STILL A CHILD. HE HAS BEEN
DIAGNOSED WITH MULTIPLE SERIOUS
MENTAL DISABILITIES. AND NOW HE
HAS BEEN IN AND OUT OF JAIL AND
STATE HOSPITALS OVER THE PAST
LAST FOUR YEARS DUE TO HIS
MENTAL ILLNESS. HE IS CURRENTLY
COMMITTED AT PATTON STATE
HOSPITAL. IN NOVEMBER OF 2019
KEVIN WAS ARRESTED IN MADEIRA.
COUNTY FOR CHARGES ARISING OUT
OF HIS MENTAL HEALTH, ISN'T IT
ILLNESS? I STRUGGLED TO THIS DAY
WITH MY ROLE IN THIS INCIDENT.
WHICH LED TO MY SON'S FIRST EVER
CONVICTION. IN THE MIDST OF ONE
OF MY SON'S MENTAL HEALTH
CRISIS. I CALLED FOR EMERGENCY.
MEDICAL INTERVENTION. INSTEAD OF
MENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS. THE
COUNTY SENT POLICE AND INSTEAD
OF EMERGENCY MENTAL HEALTH CARE
, THEY ARRESTED AND CHARGED HIM
FOR AN ASSAULT ON AN OFFICER.
AFTER CYCLING BETWEEN JAIL AND
STATE HOSPITAL, KEV RON
ULTIMATELY PLEADED GUILTY AT THE
ADVISEMENT OF HIS PUBLIC
DEFENDER. HE SPENT TWO YEARS IN
CUSTODY FOR HIS FIRST OFFENSE.
AND WAS SENTENCED. HIS SENTENCE
WAS TO PROBATION. I KNEW IT WAS
ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE
CYCLE WILL REPEAT, BECAUSE HE
WAS RELEASED WITH INADEQUATE
SUPERVISION AND NO MENTAL HEALTH
TREATMENT OVERSIGHT. THE SYSTEM
WAS SET UP TO FILL THEM. AND
SEPTEMBER 2021. APPROXIMATELY
TWO MONTHS AFTER CAMERON'S
RELEASED HE WAS AGAIN ARRESTED.
THIS TIME IN FRESNO. COUNTY FOR
TWO MISDEMEANOR CHARGES ARISING
OUT OF HIS MENTAL HEALTH
SYMPTOMS. UNSURPRISINGLY BEING
IN JAIL. CHEVRON'S MENTAL HEALTH
CONDITION WORSEN. I WAS WATCHING
BY VIDEO. THE NEXT TIME HE
APPEARED IN COURT. IT WAS HIS
BIRTHDAY SEPTEMBER 29TH. AND
THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I SAW
HIM SINCE HE WAS ARRESTED. HIS
FACE WAS DEFORMED AND HE WAS
BEATEN. HE LOOKED AT CONFUSED
ABOUT WHERE HE WAS. I WENT TO
THE JAIL IMMEDIATELY. THE JAIL
TOLD ME HE WAS IN AN ALTERCATION
WITH AN OFFICER. AS A RESULT.
NOW HE HAS A NEW CHARGE, WHICH
IS THIS ONE FELONY. I WAS ALSO
INFORMED HE WAS PLACED IN
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT FOR 30
DAYS. I CANNOT CALL. VISIT AND I
HAD NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED TO
HIM. DURING THIS TIME, KEV,
RON'S GRANDMOTHER, WHO HELPED
RAISE HIM PASSED AWAY, WHICH IS
MY MOM? I TRIED TO FIND THE BEST
WAY POSSIBLE TO RELAY THE
SENSITIVE INFORMATION TO MY SON
AND I WAS TOLD THE JAIL CHAPLAIN
WOULD BE THE BEST PERSON TO
DELIVER THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION
. HOWEVER THEY SAID THEY CANNOT
PROVIDE CHAPLAIN SERVICE TO HIM
DUE TO HIM BEING IN SOLITARY
CONFINEMENT. LATE OCTOBER, HE
CAUGHT MY PHONE REPEATEDLY
ACCENT TO SPEAK TO HIS
GRANDMOTHER. THE FOLLOWING
MONTHS, HE WAS SUICIDAL. AND IN
AND OUT OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
AND BEING TASED REPEATEDLY. IN
MARCH. 7TH 2022, THE COURT
DETERMINED CHEVRON INCOMPETENT
AND ORDERED HIM. ORDERED IN
APRIL THAT HE BE COMMITTED FOR
RESTORING NATION OF COMPETENCY.
IN AUGUST. 2022 5 MONTHS AFTER
HE WAS FOUND INCOMPETENT. NEARLY
ONE YEAR AFTER HIS ARREST ON
MISDEMEANOR CHARGES. HE
DISAPPEARED IN THE SYSTEM AND I
SPENT A MONTH TRYING TO FIND OUT
WHERE HE WAS PLACED. AND I FEAR
THE WORST. SEPTEMBER 2022. I
LEARNED THAT CHEVRON HAS BEEN
TRANSFERRED TO A JAIL BASED
TREATMENT PROGRAM AND CURRENT
COUNTY THAT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL AND
RESTORING HIS COMPETENCY.
FEBRUARY 2022 KEVIN WAS
TRANSFERRED TO PATTON STATE
HOSPITAL WHERE HE IS TODAY.
IMAGINE YOUR FAMILY GOING
THROUGH THE SYSTEM. SOMEONE WHO
HAS EXPERIENCED TRAUMA AND WHO
STRUGGLED TO EXPLAIN THEIR
FEELINGS, KNOWING THAT JAIL WAS
BRUTALIZED THEM. AND IGNORE
THEIR VERN VULNERABILITIES AND
MAKE THEM FEEL ALONE. I KNOW
THIS IS UNLIKELY TO BE THE LAST
TIME MY SON WILL BE CYCLED IN
THE SYSTEM. I FEAR MY SON. WELL
EFFECTIVELY SERVE A LIFE
SENTENCE DUE TO HIS MENTAL
ILLNESS AND THE STATE'S BROKEN
COMPETENCY SYSTEM. I KNOW THIS
IS NOT WHAT IS BEST FOR HIM OR
FOR SOCIETY. THERE SHOULD BE
OTHER SOLUTIONS OUTSIDE OF JAIL
, NOT CONFINEMENT, WHICH IS ALL
BUT CERTAIN TO WORSEN HIS
CONDITION AND OTHERS. AND RESULT
IN A GROWING CRIMINAL RECORD
THAT WOULD ONLY MAKE IT HARDER
FOR HIM TO REINTEGRATE INTO
SOCIETY. THE SYSTEM HAS LEFT ME
AND DEFEATED. I'M HERE TODAY
BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW THAT THE
SAME CYCLE WOULD NOT BE
REPEATED. IF CABRON HAS ANOTHER
ENCOUNTER WITH THE POLICE
RELATED TO HIS MENTAL ILLNESS. I
AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I DON'T
WANT THE SYSTEM TO LEAVE. OTHERS
DEFEATED AS WELL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. UM MHM. I BELIEVE WE
HAVE A QUORUM NOW, SO LET'S TRY
TO ESTABLISH THAT. JUST GIVE ME
A GIVE US A MINUTE. JOHN SAWYER
HERE, BONTA, BRIAN LACKEY.
ORTEGA SANTIAGO. SUBIR PRESIDENT
. PROPOSED CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM
NUMBER ONE A B 60 BRIAN
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE PROGRAM ITEM
NUMBER TWO A. B 235 BLANCO RUBIO
CIVIL RIGHTS DEPARTMENT LABOR
TRAFFICKING UNIT. I REMEMBER
FOUR A. B 4 TO 8 WALDRON,
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
REENTRY. ADAM NUMBER SEVEN A. B
581 WHEN THE CARILLO
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAM PROVIDERS
REMEMBER 13 A B 13 29
MAIENSCHEIN COUNTY JAIL
INCARCERATED PERSONS
IDENTIFICATION CARD PILOT
PROGRAM AND I DON'T KNOW 14 A B
13 71 LOW UNLAWFUL SEXUAL
INTERCOURSE WITH A MINOR. MOTION
FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. SECRETARY CALLED THE
ROLE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
JOHN SAWYER GENSER AYE, ELONIS.
MONTA MONTA, I BRIAN, BRIAN, I
LACKEY ORTEGA. ORTEGA I
SANTIAGO. ZIPPER ZIPPER I
CONSENT CHALLENGES ADOPTED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENT. UM,
MISS HMM. YES WE'RE GOING TO DO
OTHER WITNESSES AND SUPPORT NAME
AND ORGANIZATION. GOOD MORNING,
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS MIKE A
DOCTOR OFF ON BEHALF OF A C L U
CALIFORNIA ACTION. WE ARE PROUD
CO SPONSOR OF THIS LEGISLATION
AND HAIR AND STRONG SUPPORT. I'M
ALSO HERE TO VOICE STRONG
SUPPORT FROM SMART JUSTICE
CALIFORNIA AND THE ELLA BAKER
CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS. THANK
YOU. MARCO GEORGE ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC DEFENDERS
ASSOCIATION CO SPONSOR. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH STRONG SUPPORT AND
ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE SAN
FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
OFFICE AND SUPPORT THANK YOU. MY
NAME IS RAPHAEL CALIX. AND I'M,
A MEMBER OF THE ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION. AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF
BILL. 13 8/5 15 84 AND THE
REASON WHY NAME AND ORGANIZATION
THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. JIM LINDBERG,
ON BEHALF OF THE FRIENDS
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION OF
CALIFORNIA IN STRONG SUPPORT.
GOOD MORNING, JERRY MEMBERS HAD
ONLY MARGIELA HERE ON BEHALF OF
LEGAL SERVICES FOR PRISONERS
WITH CHILDREN ALSO REPRESENTING
ALL OF US OR NONE HERE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.
ANALISA RULES WITH YOUNGER MEN'S
FREEDOM CENTER AND SUPPORT. GOOD
MORNING, ED LITTLE ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIANS FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
DANICA ROAD, UM, ON BEHALF OF
INITIATE JUSTICE AND SUPPORT.
NOT ANY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
YES GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
JONATHAN RAVEN. I'M THE CHIEF
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF THE
YELLOW COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. UM AND HERE
ON BEHALF OF C D, A UM I WANT TO
START OFF BY SAYING MY HEART
GOES OUT TO CHEVRON AND HER
MOTHER AND THE FAMILY MEMBERS
AND WHAT SHE SAID TODAY BEFORE
ALL OF YOU IS EXACTLY TRUE.
THAT'S WHAT GOES ON IN THE
SYSTEM, AND I'VE WATCHED IT
BECAUSE I WORKED CLOSELY IN THE
SYSTEM AS A PROSECUTOR TRYING TO
HELP INDIVIDUALS LIKE CURVE. RON
TO AVOID SITTING IN CUSTODY
BECAUSE CUSTODY IS NOT THE PLACE
FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE MENTAL
ILLNESS. THAT BEING SAID A B 15
84 IS NOT THE ANSWER. HERE. I
SAT ON A COMMISSION STATEWIDE
COMMISSION TO HELP SOLVE THE
PROBLEM WITH THE OVERCROWDING
AND THE PROBLEMS WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF STATE HOSPITALS. I
SAT ON IT WITH MISS REGULAR.
ACTUALLY THIS WAS NOT ONE OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF
THAT STATE WIDE COLLABORATIVE
COMMITTEE. UM THE BILL WOULD
ESTABLISH REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION
OF METAL AND COMPETENCE FOR
CRIMINAL DEFENDANTS WHO COMMIT
ROBBERY, FELONY ASSAULTS AND
OTHER FELONIES AND ARE FACING A
MENTAL COMPETENCY DETERMINATION.
ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT,
STATE HOSPITALS OVER 66% OF
DEFENDANTS WHO WERE INITIALLY
FOUND TO BE INCOMPETENT, WERE
ABLE TO HAVE THE COMPETENCY
RESTORED. HOWEVER MAYBE 15 84
WOULD REQUIRE A JUDGE TO MAKE A
DETERMINATION WHETHER RESTORING
THE PERSON TO MENTAL COMPETENCY
IS IN THE INTERESTS OF JUSTICE
BEFORE ANY ATTEMPT AT
RESTORATION HAS BEGUN. MAYBE 15
84 CREATES A PROCEDURE BY WHICH
SOME FELONY CONDUCT WILL NOT BE
RESTORED TO COMPETENCIES.
SPECIFICALLY THE BILL IDENTIFIES
ROBBERY AND FELONY ASSAULTS AS
SOME OF THE FELONIES THAT WOULD
NOT BE RESTORED TO COMPENSATE BY
CREATING REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION
THAT RESTORATION IS NOT IN THE
INTERESTS OF JUSTICE FOR ANY
DEFENDANT CHARGED WITH ROBBERY,
FELONIOUS ASSAULT OR ANY 11 70
FELONY. MAYBE 15 58 15 84 IS
REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION TIPS THE
SCALES OF JUSTICE IN THE FAVOR
OF FINDING SOME FELONIES CANNOT
BE RESTORED. AS A RESULT, SOME
VICTIMS OF VIOLENT CRIME WILL
NOT BE AFFORDED THE RIGHTS
GUARANTEED TO THEM BY THE
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION. AS I
SAID, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT
PROBLEM IN THE SYSTEM IN TERMS
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CRIMINALLY
JUSTICE INVOLVED WHO SUFFER FROM
SERIOUS MELON ILLNESS. CUSTODY
IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THEM. WHAT
WE HAVE TO BE FOCUSING ON ARE
THE UPSTREAM. THE UPSTREAM
SOLUTIONS, SO THEY NEVER GET TO
THAT POINT IN TIME, AND SO IF
THEY DO GET INTO THAT POINT, WE
HAVE OTHER OPTIONS SUCH AS THE
DEPARTMENT OF STATE'S HOSPITALS
GRANT PROGRAM, WHICH YOLO COUNTY
AND MANY OTHER COUNTIES UTILIZED
TO TRY TO TREAT THESE
INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT BEING, SAID 15 84 IS NOT
THE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEMS THAT
WE'RE FACING WITH INDIVIDUALS
WHO ARE FOUND INCOMPETENT TO
STAND TRIAL. THANK YOU. AND
ANYONE ELSE AND OPPOSITION. CNN
WILL BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS FOR QUESTIONS. SEEN
NONE. YOU MAKE CLOTHES. YOU MAKE
CLOTHES? YEAH. OKAY, GO AHEAD.
UM BEFORE I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. I
DO WANNA GIVE A RESPONSE TO THE
OPPOSITION CONCERNS. UM WE ARE
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS THE
CONCERNS REGARDING THE REBUTTAL
PRESUMPTION OF MENTAL
INCOMPETENCE FOR CRIMINAL
DEFENDANTS WHO COMMIT ROBBERIES,
UM, FELONY ASSAULTS AND OTHER
FELONIES AND ARE FACING A MENTAL
COMPETENCY DETERMINATIONS. I
BELIEVE THAT CONCERN OF THEIRS
WAS ADDRESSED IN THE AMENDMENTS.
UM ADDITIONALLY, OPPOSITION
STATES THAT COMPETENCY IS THEY
TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS
DETERMINED IN A POINT IN TIME
AND THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE
INITIALLY FOUND TO BE
INCOMPETENT, WERE ABLE TO HAVE
THE COMPETENCY RESTORED. UM
SOMETIMES QUOTE SIMPLY BY
RESUMING THEIR MEDICATION.
UNFORTUNATELY UM YOU KNOW THE
COMPETENCY RESTORATION PROCESSES
A QUICK BAND AID TO EXPEDITE THE
PROSECUTION PROCESS, AND THE
DATA DOES NOT SHOW THAT IT HAS
LONG TERM RESULTS. AND THAT'S
EXACTLY WHAT WE HEARD FROM MY
WITNESS WHEN SHE GAVE HER
TESTIMONY, AND I THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR BEING HERE. AH FOR
THAT. UM MORE THAN 70% OF PEOPLE
WHO GO THROUGH THE RESTORATION
PROCESS ARE REARRESTED UPON
RELEASE. AND OVER A 10 YEAR
PERIOD. MORE THAN A THIRD OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE FOUND INCOMPETENT
ARE REARRESTED AGAIN AND FOUND
INCOMPETENT ONCE AGAIN, SO THE
SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE THAT THE
OPPOSITION THINGS IS WORKING
SOMEWHAT IS CLEARLY BROKEN. UM
AND 15 84 IS A PART OF THE
PROCESS OF FIXING IT. AND WITH
THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE
AMENDMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS NEED TO
GET TO, UH THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE DID. NOTIFY
THEM THAT YOU DID TAKE THE
AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS THEIR
CONCERNS. AND SO WE'LL WE'LL
WORK BETTER AT MAKING SURE THEY
GET THAT INFORMATION. BEFORE WE
HAVE THE COMMITTEE. SO AGAIN, I
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING
THAT AMENDMENT. I BELIEVE HE DID
ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT WAS
STATED EARLIER. WITH THAT TWO
CHAIRS RECOMMENDING I VOTE Dð.
SECOND. AND MAYBE 15 84 BY SEVEN
MEMBER WEBER. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS AS THE MANAGER OF THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOHN
SAWYER, I ELONIS BONTA, BRIAN,
BRIAN, I LACKEY. ORTEGA. ORTEGA
EYES SANTIAGO. SUPER SUPER I.
THAT MEASURE PASSES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. I NOW HAVE. IN ORDER
. BERMAN TAIN MARIS, UCI ON HIS
WAY.
NO. YOU'RE NEXT. I THINK I HAVE
TO 13 80, 15, 98, 15 AND 22.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
COLLEAGUES. I'LL START WITH 13.
80. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD TO SEE
YOU. FIRST I VERY MUCH WANT TO
THINK THAT SHARE IN THE
COMMITTEE. UH FOR YOUR
CONSTRUCTIVE ENGAGEMENT IN
DISCUSSIONS ON THIS BILL. MAYBE
13 80 IS TO BE HONEST, A VERY
MODEST BILL THAT WOULD
STRENGTHEN CALIFORNIA'S LAW
AGAINST REVENGE PORN. BY CLOSING
LOOPHOLES IN CURRENT LAW THAT
MAY ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO
DISTRIBUTE PRIVATE SEXUAL IMAGES
OF ANOTHER PERSON WITHOUT THEIR
CONSENT AND WITH THE INTENT OF
CAUSING THEM SERIOUS HARM.
REVENGE PORN IS THE COWARDLY
CRIME OF INTENTIONALLY
DISTRIBUTING AN INTIMATE IMAGE
WITH THE INTENTION OF CAUSING
SERIOUS EMOTIONAL DISTRESS TO
THE PERSON IN THE IMAGE. THIS
MOST OFTEN HAPPENS WHEN A PERSON
TEXTS, EMAILS OR POSTS AND
INTIMATE PHOTO OR VIDEO AS
RETALIATION FOLLOWING A BITTER
BREAKUP BETWEEN PARTNERS.
UNFORTUNATELY THIS CRIME
DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTS WOMEN
AS WOMEN FACE HIGHER
VICTIMIZATION OF REVENGE PORN
WHILE MEN ARE THE PRIMARY
PERPETRATORS. WITH THE EMERGENCE
OF SOCIAL MEDIA REVENGE PORN IS
BECOMING MUCH MORE RAMPANT. FROM
2016 TO 2020 INCIDENTS OF
REVENGE PORN HAVE DOUBLED WITH
ONE IN 12 INDIVIDUALS HAVING
REPORTED BEING A VICTIM OF
REVENGE PORN. THE EFFECTS OF
THIS CRIME SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN
LIGHTLY. A STUDY FOUND THAT 93%
OF VICTIMS SUFFERED SIGNIFICANT
EMOTIONAL DISTRESS. 51% HAD
SUICIDAL THOUGHTS AND 49% STATED
THEY HAVE BEEN STALKED OR
HARASSED ONLINE BY USERS WHO SAW
THEIR IMAGE. AS A CRIME ENABLED
BY RECENT TECHNOLOGY. REVENGE
PORN IS RELATIVELY NEW. AS
PERPETRATORS FIND MORE CREATIVE
WAYS TO PERPETRATE REVENGE BORN
, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO
VICTIMS TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT
THE LAW KEEPS UP WITH
TECHNOLOGY. MAYBE 13 80 WILL, UH
, PROVIDES A NARROW FIX IN THE
STATUTE TO ADDRESS EXISTING
DEFICIENCIES AND ENSURE THAT
VICTIMS OF REVENGE PORN RECEIVED
JUSTICE IN CALIFORNIA. HERE WITH
ME TODAY. IS JULIA SHOWN A
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY WITH
THE SANTA CLARA COUNTY OFFICE OF
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ALONG WITH
ERICA GONZALEZ FROM TULARE
COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR I VOTE. YOU HAVE FIVE
MINUTES, TWO MINUTES APIECE OR
EVERY WAY YOU WANT TO SPLIT IT
UP. GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JULIA SHOWN
AND I'M, A DEPUTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY FOR THE SANTA CLARA
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I'M
ALSO A MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
IN SUPPORT OF A B 13 80. THIS
BILL WILL STRENGTHEN PROTECTIONS
FOR VICTIMS OR REVENGE PORN.
BYE. CLARIFYING THE CRIME OF
REVENGE PORN TO INCLUDE THE
INTENTIONAL DISTRIBUTION OF
INTIMATE IMAGES TAKEN WITHOUT
THE VICTIM'S KNOWLEDGE OR
CONSENT. ALONG WITH PROTECT
ALONG WITH STRENGTHENING THE
PROTECTIONS OF VICTIMS OF
REVENGE PORN BY COUNTING FOR NEW
ADVANCEMENTS AND TECHNOLOGY.
RECENTLY IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY.
A WOMAN RECEIVED A FACEBOOK
MESSAGE FROM A STRANGER ALERTING
HER THAT AN INTIMATE VIDEO OF
HER WAS ONLINE ON A PORNOGRAPHIC
WEBSITE. A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH
OF HER NAME REVEALED THAT
INTIMATE VIDEO IT WAS A VIDEO OF
HER AND HER EX HUSBAND. A VIDEO
THAT INCLUDED HER FULL NAME. HER
CITY OF RESIDENTS AND WHERE SHE
WORKED. A VIDEO WHERE HER
HUSBAND'S FACE WAS BLURRED OUT.
HERS WAS NOT. VIDEO THAT SHE DID
NOT EVEN KNOW WAS RECORDED A
VIDEO SHE DID NOT KNOW EXISTED.
UNDER EXISTING LAW, THE CRIME OF
REVENGE PORN IS DEFINED AS THE
INTENTION. INTENTIONAL
DISTRIBUTION OF AN INTIMATE
IMAGE UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES IN
WHICH PERSONS AGREE OR
UNDERSTAND THE IMAGE SHALL
REMAIN PRIVATE. THIS AND BEG YOU
AMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE. LED TO A
JURY FINDING BEING UNABLE TO
FIND FOR GUILT OR INNOCENCE.
THIS AMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE
PREVENTED THIS WOMAN FROM
SEEKING JUSTICE AGAINST THE MAN
WHO VIOLATED HER PRIVACY. AND TO
THIS DAY SHE STILL LIVES IN FEAR
THAT OUR FANS FRIENDS, FAMILY.
AND EMPLOYERS WILL SEE THE
VIDEO. SHE IS UNABLE TO BE HERE
TODAY. BEFORE YOU BECAUSE SHE
COULD NOT GIVE A STATEMENT
ANONYMOUSLY. BECAUSE TO THIS DAY
, A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH OF HER
NAME STILL REVEALS THE VIDEOS.
ON BEHALF OF THE SANTA CLARA
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN
THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT DISTRICT
ATTORNEY ASSOCIATION. WE ASK
THAT YOU SUPPORT THE VICTIMS OF
REVENGE PORN BY SUPPORTING 80 13
80. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS ERICA GONZALEZ,
ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY WITH
THE TULARE COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE MEMBER
OF THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT OF A B 13 80. THIS BILL
MAKES A COMMON SENSE CHANGE TO
THE CURRENT LAW GIVES VICTIMS OF
REVENGE PORN THE ABILITY TO SEEK
JUSTICE WHEN THEIR PRIVACY IS
VIOLATED. THE CURRENT LAW, AS
WRITTEN REQUIRES THAT ONE OF THE
ELEMENTS A PROSECUTOR MUST
ESTABLISH THAT THE PERSON'S
AGREE OR UNDERSTAND THAT THE
IMAGE SHALL REMAIN PRIVATE.
HOWEVER THERE IS NO SPECIFIC LAW
THAT ADDRESSES WHEN A PERSON
INTENTIONALLY DISTRIBUTES THE
IMAGE OF THE INTIMATE BODY PART
OF ANOTHER PERSON WITHOUT
AUTHORIZATION OF THE PERSON
DEPICTED. THE AREA OF LAW OF
REVENGE BORN IS RELATIVELY NEW.
AND SINCE 2020 I HAVE HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY. ON TWO
PRIOR OCCASIONS BEFORE THIS
LEGISLATURE ON THE IMPACT OF
PREVENTION PORN ON VICTIMS, THE
FIRST TIME WAS THE RESULT OF A
TEACHER WHO WAS UNAWARE HER
PRIVATE IMAGES HAVE BEEN SHARED
BY AN EX BOYFRIEND ON THE
INTERNET, AND SHE WAS UNABLE TO
SEEK JUSTICE BEFORE THE STATUTE
LIMITATIONS HAD EXPIRED. THIS
LEGISLATURE RIGHTFULLY SUPPORTED
AND EXPANSION OF THE STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS TO THE DATE OF
DISCOVERY. THE SECOND TIME DEALT
WITH EXPANDING THE DEFINITION OF
DISTRIBUTION TO INCLUDE
EXHIBITING IN PUBLIC OR GIVING
POSSESSION, WHICH WAS THE RESULT
OF A VICTIM WHO WAS UNABLE TO
SEEK JUSTICE WHEN HER EX
BOYFRIEND PRINTED PRIVATE IMAGES
AND DISPLAY THEM ON HIS TRUCK.
WHILE DRIVING THROUGHOUT THE
TOWN, INTENDING TO CAUSE HER
SERIOUS EMOTIONAL DISTRESS.
AGAIN THIS LEGISLATURE
RIGHTFULLY CORRECTED THE STATUTE
TO INCLUDE EXHIBITING IN PUBLIC.
THIS BILL CONTINUES ON THE
PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE IN
IMPROVING CALIFORNIA'S REVENGE
PORN LAW SO THAT IT IS
CONSISTENT WITH OTHER
INTENTIONAL VIOLATION OF PRIVACY
CRIMES IN CALIFORNIA, ON BEHALF
OF THE TILLERY COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION. WE ASK THAT YOU
STAND WITH VICTIMS OF REVENGE
PORN AND SUPPORT THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS
IN SUPPORT? MORNING MR CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS CARL LONDON HERE ON
BEHALF OF CRIME VICTIMS UNITED
ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
THANK YOU. OKAY? IS THERE ANYONE
IN OPPOSITION? SEE NINE. WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. I'LL MOVE THE BILL. UM
CAN I SPEAK? YEAH SO I, UM I
WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR
BRINGING THE BILL. I THINK IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. AND I
THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A
SPECIFIC BODY OF LAW DEALING
WITH REVENGE PORN. YOU KNOW,
THESE ARE SOME OF THE MOST
INTIMATE MOMENTS THAT PEOPLE
HAVE AND FOR. SOMEONE TO YOU
KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE IN AN AGE
WHERE ON A CLICK OF A BUTTON,
YOU CAN DESTROY SOMEONE'S LIFE.
YOU CAN CAUSE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA
THAT CAN EXTEND FOR DECADES. AND
FOR ME, IT'S COMPOUNDED BY THE
FACT THAT THIS OFTEN ALSO OCCURS
WHEN THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF
SOCIAL STIGMA ABOUT THOSE
INTIMATE MOMENTS AND WHY I THINK
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY
NECESSARY TO PROTECT WOMEN AND
ACTUALLY MEMBERS OF THE LGBTQ
PLUS COMMUNITY BECAUSE I THINK
YOU HAVE THOSE ELEMENTS OF
SOCIAL STIGMA. THERE AS WELL. UM
SO I'M STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE OF
THE BILL. I THINK THIS IS REALLY
DIFFERENT THAN OTHER BILLS THAT
HAVE UM ADVANCED. HAVE INCREASED
, UM, PENALTIES, UH, FOR
ACTIVITIES THAT ARE RELATED TO
REALLY THE CRIMINALIZATION OF
POVERTY. I DON'T SEE THAT. I SEE
. THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM
THOSE THINGS AND SOME IN FULL
SUPPORT OF THE BILL AND WANT TO
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT AND
WANT TO THANK THE WITNESSES FOR
COMING TODAY. THANK YOU, MR
TEGA. UM I'M ALSO SUPPORTING THE
BILL TODAY, BUT I DO HAVE SOME
QUESTIONS ARE ONE QUESTION UM,
WHICH IS RELATED TO THE CONCERN
THERE WAS IN THE ANALYSIS. SO
THERE IS A PIECE IN HERE WHERE
THE BILL, UH, SEEMS TO LACK
SPECIFICITY WE WHEN IT COMES TO
KNOWING WHO IS DISTRIBUTING AND
THEM KNOWING WHETHER IT WAS
THERE WAS CONSENT OR NOT
CONSENT. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT
, YOU KNOW, REVENGE PORN. A LOT
OF YOUTH ARE DOING THIS. THEY
SEE IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THEY
HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT CAME FROM,
AND THEY JUST START RETWEETING
OR, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERREACHING
HERE. ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU FOR
THE QUESTION. I'M GONNA LET THE
EXPERTS DIVING DEEPER TO MY
SHORT ANSWER. BUT, UM THAT'S AN
AREA THAT THAT I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERREACHING
EITHER. AND SO THAT'S AN AREA
WHERE I'M VERY OPEN TO HAVING
CONTINUING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
THAT SPECIFIC PART OF IT. I
WOULD NOTE THAT YOU STILL HAVE
TO HAVE THE INTENT TO DO HARM
AND HARM STILL HAS TO BE DONE SO
IT CAN'T JUST BE LIKE AN
INNOCENT SITUATION. WHERE WHERE
YOU DON'T KNOW THE PERSON OR
YOU'RE JUST KIND OF RETWEETING
SOMETHING MINDLESSLY THERE HAS
TO BE IN, YOU KNOW. THE UM
PROSECUTORS WOULD HAVE TO
ESTABLISH THAT. WHOEVER THEY'RE
TRYING TO TARGET HAS THE INTENT
TO DO HARM TO THE PERSON IN THE
IMAGE AND THAT THE INTENT WAS
DONE, SO I THINK THAT'S A WAY TO
HELP PUT GUARDRAILS AROUND THAT,
BUT I'M OPEN TO OTHER IDEAS AS
WELL. I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD
AGREE WITH THAT. THIS IS A
SPECIFIC INTENT CRIME. IT'S NOT
A GENERAL INTENT. JUST THE ACT
OF SHARING THE IMAGE IS NOT
ENOUGH. WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY SHOW
THAT YOU INTENDED TO CAUSE
EMOTIONAL DISTRESS BY DOING SO.
SO, LIKE YOU KNOW, IN THE
EXAMPLE YOU GIVE TEENAGERS MAYBE
GOSSIPING AND SAYING, OH, MY
GOSH. LOOK WHAT I WAS JUST SENT
THAT WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO
BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE SOMEONE.
UM, AND IT'S AND IT IS A
MISDEMEANOR CRIME, BUT WE'RE NOT
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE
SOMEONE FOR THIS MISDEMEANOR
CRIME, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN
ADDITIONAL ELEMENT OF SHOWING
THAT THE PERSON INTENDED TO
CAUSE HARM. LIKE THE EXAMPLE I
GAVE OF THE EX BOYFRIEND WHO
POSTED THE IMAGE ALL OVER HIS
TRUCK AND DROVE AROUND TOWN. I
MEAN, IT'S CLEAR HIS INTENT WAS
TO EMBARRASS HIM, HUMILIATE AND
CAUSE DISTRESS TO THE PERSON IN
THE IMAGE. AND SO I HAVEN'T SEEN
ANY EXAMPLES OF OVERREACHING
BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE RAW THE
LAWS WRITTEN. YOU HAVE TO HAVE
THAT REQUIRED INTENT. AND I
GENERALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
HOWEVER THIS IS NEW, AND
THEREFORE I'M THINKING AHEAD AND
MAKING SURE WE PROTECT AND NOT
OVERREACH. PERCENT 1000%
APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH, WE AGREE.
THANK YOU. AND AGAIN HAPPY TO
WANT TO KEEP THAT CONVERSATION
GOING. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM
THE COMMITTEE. WE'VE HAD A
MOTION IN A SECOND. PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. ON A B 13 80 BY SOME
REMEMBER BERMAN. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASSED THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE JOAN SAWYER. ELONIS
BANTA. I WANT TO I BRIAN BRIAN,
I LACKEY LUCKY I ORTEGA ORTEGA I
SANTIAGO ZIPPER. SUPER AYE. THAT
MEASURE PASSES, WE'LL MOVE ON TO
ITEM. NUMBER 22 15 98. MR
BERMAN. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. MADAM CHAIR AND
COLLEAGUES. MAYBE 15 98 WOULD
ENSURE THAT POTENTIAL FIREARM
PURCHASERS ARE AWARE OF THE
BENEFITS AND RISKS OF OWNING AND
BRINGING A FIREARM INTO THEIR
HOME. THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY
PEOPLE CHOOSE TO OWN FIRE,
FIREARMS, BUT PURE REVIEWED
ACADEMIC RESEARCH SHOWS THAT
BRINGING A FIREARM INTO THE HOME
MAKES IT MORE DANGEROUS. IT IS
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT
POTENTIAL FIREARM PURCHASERS
UNDERSTAND THESE SERIOUS RISKS
SO THEY CAN MAKE AN INFORMED
DECISION AND TAKE APPROPRIATE
SAFETY MEASURES OF A RESPONSIBLE
FIREARM OWNER. THIS BILL WOULD
EXPAND WHAT IS COVERED IN THE
FIREARMS SAFETY CERTIFICATION
TEST TO EXPLICITLY INCLUDE THE
INCREASED RISKS OF OWNING AND
BRINGING A FIREARM INTO THE HOME
AS WELL AS KNOW ABOUT LIFESAVING
FIREARM LAWS IN CALIFORNIA.
MAYBE 15 98 WOULD ALSO REQUIRE
THAT A PAMPHLET BE GIVEN TO ALL
FIREARMS PURCHASERS AT POINT OF
SALE WITH THE INFORMATION ABOUT
THE BENEFITS AND INCREASED RISKS
ASSOCIATED WITH BRINGING A
FIREARM INTO THE HOME. EDUCATING
POTENTIAL FIREARM PURCHASERS ON
THE INCREASED RISKS OF DEATH BY
SUICIDE HOMICIDE AND
UNINTENTIONAL INJURY ENSURES
INDIVIDUALS UNDERSTAND THE
GRAVITY OF BEING A RESPONSIBLE
FIREARM OWNER AND HERE WITH ME
IS ANGELA BEAR, THE DIRECTOR OF
ENGAGEMENT AND IMPACT OF THE U.
C DAVIS FIREARM PREVENTION
RESEARCH PROGRAM IN THE
CALIFORNIA FIREARM VIOLENCE
RESEARCH CENTER. I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN I VOTE. GOOD MORNING.
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
ANGELA BEAR. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF
ENGAGEMENT AND IMPACT OF THE
CALIFORNIA FIREARM VIOLENCE
RESEARCH CENTER, AND I'M HERE TO
PRESENT MY OWN VIEWS AS A PUBLIC
HEALTH EXPERT. DURING MY TWO
DECADES WORKING ON PUBLIC HEALTH
PROJECTS TO LEARN ABOUT THE
PERSPECTIVES OF DIVERSE GROUPS
OF PEOPLE. I'VE REPEATEDLY HEARD
PEOPLE EXPRESS THEIR NEED FOR
HIGH QUALITY EASY TO UNDERSTAND
INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE
INDEPENDENT CHOICES ABOUT THEIR
LIVES. THIS INCLUDES FIREARM
OWNERS. WHAT DO PEOPLE BELIEVE
ABOUT FIREARMS AND SAFETY FIRST
, MOST PEOPLE OWN FIREARMS TO
PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM OTHER
PEOPLE, INCLUDING SIX AND 10,
HANDGUN OWNERS AND TWO AND 10
LONG GUN OWNERS IN CALIFORNIA.
SECOND MOST PEOPLE IN THE US
OVER SIX IN 10 BELIEVE THAT
HAVING A FIREARM IN THE HOME
MAKES YOU SAFER. DOES THE
EVIDENCE CONFIRM WHAT PEOPLE
GENUINELY BELIEVE NÓ EVIDENCE
SHOWS THAT ON BALANCE, HAVING A
GUN IN THE HOME MAKES THE GUN
OWNER AND OTHER HOUSEHOLD
MEMBERS LESS SAFE. BY INCREASING
THEIR RISK OF SUICIDE AND
HOMICIDE, A SUMMARY OF 16
RESEARCH STUDIES FOUND THAT
PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO FIREARMS
HAVE A THREE TIMES HIGHER RISK
OF SUICIDE AND A TWO TIMES
HIGHER RISK OF BEING A HOMICIDE
VICTIM THAN THOSE WITHOUT ACCESS
, BUT IT'S HARD TO FIND THIS
INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF ACADEMIA
AND PUBLIC HEALTH CIRCLES.
FIREARM OWNERS AND NON OWNERS
ALIKE THINK SAFETY IS ESSENTIAL.
THIS BILL WOULD ENSURE THAT
FIREARM OWNERS HAVE ACCESS TO
INFORMATION ABOUT THE RISKS OF
OWNING AND HAVING A FIREARM IN
THE HOME AND ABOUT GUN IN
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING
ORDERS FOR HIGH RISK SITUATIONS.
THAT INFORMATION WILL INCREASE
OWNERS AWARENESS OF SUCH ORDERS
IF THEY BECOME RELEVANT FOR THEM
OR OTHERS THEY KNOW AND WILL
ENABLE OWNERS TO MAKE INFORMED
INDEPENDENT AND RESPONSIBLE
DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR FIREARMS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU DOING OTHER
TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT. DO WE
HAVE ANY WITNESSES TO TESTIFY
AND OPPOSITION?
YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES BETWEEN
YOU. THANK YOU. GOT IT. MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS. SAM PAREDES,
REPRESENTING GUN OWNERS,
CALIFORNIA WE'VE GOT SOME.
SIGNIFICANT ISSUES AS TO WHY WE
OPPOSE THIS. THIS BILL NUMBER
ONE THE. IF THIS IS ABOUT
INFORMING PEOPLE ABOUT. THE
ATTRIBUTES OF OWNING FIREARMS.
WHY DON'T THEY INFORM THEM
ACROSS THE BOARD OF EVERYTHING
THEY CHOOSE ONLY TO INFORM ABOUT
SUBJECTIVE STUDIES. AND IT'S NOT
ARGUABLE BECAUSE FOR EVERY
STUDY, THAT IS THAT COMES UP
WITH THIS POSITION. THERE IS
OPPOSING STUDY THAT SHOWS THAT
THERE IS A LOT OF SUBJECTIVITY
IN THE WAY THESE STUDIES WERE
CONDUCTED. THEY ARE
EPIDEMIOLOGICAL IN NATURE. THEY
SHOW CAUSATION. AND CORRELATION,
BUT THEY CANNOT SHOW UH, UM,
PROOF THEY CANNOT SHOW
CAUSATION. SO UM, THEY DON'T
TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT IN
CALIFORNIA SOMEWHERE AROUND 50
TO 300,000 TIMES A YEAR, LAWFUL
CITIZENS USED FIREARMS TO
SUCCESSFULLY DEFEND THEMSELVES.
SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY
POSITIVES FOR OWNING FIREARMS
LEGALLY IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. IT HAPPENS EVERY
SINGLE YEAR I GET TO LOOK INTO
THE EYES OF PEOPLE. WHO HAVE
SUCCESSFULLY SAVED THE LIVE
THEIR LIVES OR THE LIVES OF
THEIR FAMILIES OR FRIENDS
BECAUSE THEY HAD A FIREARM THAT
HAS NEVER TAKEN INTO INTO THE
QUOTIENT. UM. THE FACT THAT THIS
IS JUST TILTED TO ONE SIDE IS,
UH, THE REASON THAT WE ARE IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL. THANK
YOU. TRAVIS, MADAM CHAIR,
CALIFORNIA RIFLE PISTOL
ASSOCIATION. WE ARE FOR THE SAME
REASONS THAT SAM JUST DID OR
OPPOSED. BUT ALSO THERE'S A
COUPLE OTHERS. THE CRP HAS BEEN
AROUND SINCE 18 75. IT'S BEEN
THE LEADER AND FIREARMS SAFETY
TRAINING HERE IN THE STATE AND
NOT ONCE WERE WE CONTACTED. WE
DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE WAYS
TO PUT FORWARD SUCH A DOCUMENT
THAT WOULD BE BALANCED WOULD BE
FAIR AND WILL IMPROVE SAFETY BUT
HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF THE
CONVERSATION. SO WE STAND
OPPOSED ON THAT. PLUS IT'S
COMPELLED SPEECH AND ONE SIDED
AND THROUGHOUT THE LAND AND
MULTIPLE ISSUES, INCLUDING INTO
SPACE THAT HAS BEEN HANDED DOWN
BY THE COURTS IS NOT BEING LEGAL
AND WE WILL BE READY TO FIGHT
THIS IF IT DOES GO THROUGH IN
COURT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANY
OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AND
OPPOSITION NAMING ORGANIZATION.
PLEASE READ WITH NATIONAL RIFLE
ASSOCIATION OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS
AND OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT. WE
WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. ADD ON SORRY. WE HAVE
ONE MORE. ON A I O COMEDIANS
WITH LOS ANGELES UNIFIED IN
SUPPORT. OH, THANK YOU. MR
CHAVEZ MOVED THE BILL. ORTEGA
SECONDS. UH NO OTHER COMMENT
FROM COMMITTEE. MR BERMAN. YOU
CAN CLOSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THIS IS THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE
HEARING FROM ANY OPPOSITION ON
THE BILL. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO IF
YOU WANT TO SEND US LETTERS WITH
THE CONCERNS. YOU HAVE HAPPY TO
TAKE A LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION.
UM AGAIN. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT FOLKS GET GET PURE
REVIEWED ACADEMIC DATA ABOUT
BOTH THE BENEFITS AND THE HARMS.
OF BRINGING A GUN INTO THE HOME
AND THE REAL RISKS THAT DATA
SHOWS AND WE COLLECT THAT DATA
IN CALIFORNIA. UNFORTUNATELY WE
DON'T COLLECT THAT DATA
NATIONALLY BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN
EFFORTS TO BLOCK US FROM JUST
COLLECTING INFORMATION AT THE
NATIONAL LEVEL. BUT WE HAVE THAT
INFORMATION IN CALIFORNIA. IT'S
PURE REVIEWED ITS, UH ITS THE
EFFICACY IS STRONG, AND WE THINK
THAT FOLKS SHOULD GET THAT
INFORMATION BEFORE. THEY MAKE A
DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO
BRING A GUN INTO THEIR HOUSE.
RESPECT FAST FOR I VOTE. THANK
YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. ON
A B 15 98 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BERMAN. THE MOTION IS DUE PASSED
THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
JOHN SAWYER. ELONIS BANTER. I,
BRIAN. LACKEY. ORTEGA. ORTEGA I
SANTIAGO. ZIPPER. SUPER AYE.
THAT MEASURE IS ON CALL. IT
NEEDS TO BOOKS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU.
NICE. MR 30 YEAR UP NEXT OKAY?
23. WHAT'S THAT? 23? A B? 17?
OH, EIGHT. YES. HMM. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. PRESENT THE BILL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UM, MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE I AM HERE TO
PRESENT A B 17. OH, EIGHT. UM
THIS IS PART OF A GROWING
MOVEMENT. OF PEOPLE OF
ORGANIZATIONS OF COMMUNITIES.
THAT WANT TO RESTORE BALANCE. TO
OUR PUBLIC SAFETY LAWS,
ESPECIALLY FOCUSING ON RETAIL
THEFT AND ESPECIALLY FOCUSING ON
REPEAT OFFENDERS. A RETAIL THEFT
. THIS IS A BILL THAT IS CO
SPONSORED BY THE LEGAL
CALIFORNIA CITIES THAT
CALIFORNIA RETAILERS
ASSOCIATION. CALIFORNIA POLICE
CHIEFS ASSOCIATION. AND THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION. ALONG WITH. EIGHT
BIPARTISAN JOINT AUTHORS OF THIS
MEASURE. WE ARE. WE WANT TO HAVE
A COMMON SENSE FIX TO
PROPOSITION 47. TO COMBAT THE
RETAIL THEFT THERE WAS SEEING IN
OUR COMMUNITIES. WE ARE
PROPOSING A BALANCED APPROACH TO
HOLD REPEAT OFFENDERS
ACCOUNTABLE. WHILE ADDRESSING
THAT MUCH OF WHAT IS DRIVING
RETAIL THEFT PROPERTY CRIMES AS
DRUG ADDICTION. AND SO WE ARE
PROPOSING. DIVERSION PROGRAMS TO
PROVIDE DRUG ADDICTION
TREATMENT. AS WELL AS MENTAL
HEALTH TREATMENT. THE DATA IS
CLEAR. AND I WANTED TO ADD TO
THE INFORMATION THAT WAS
PROVIDED IN THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS THAT, ACCORDING TO THE
PUBLIC POLICY INSTITUTE OF
CALIFORNIA, IN 2021. THEY CAME
OUT WITH A STUDY THAT PROPERTY
CRIMES ARE UP AND LOS ANGELES,
OAKLAND, SAN DIEGO AND SAN
FRANCISCO. AND THAT THIS
FOLLOWED THEIR REPORT, THE
PUBLIC POLICY INSTITUTE OF
CALIFORNIA'S REPORT IN 2018 THAT
PROPERTY CRIMES HAVE INCREASED
AFTER PROPOSITION 47 PAST. THIS.
IS THE DATA THAT WE KNOW OUR
CONSTITUENTS ARE SEEING IN EACH
AND EVERY ONE OF OUR
COMMUNITIES. AND WE KNOW THAT,
ACCORDING TO A POLL TAKEN BY
èC, BERKELEY, JUST LAST YEAR
78% OF CALIFORNIANS. FEEL THAT
CRIME IS RISING STATEWIDE. AND
65% OF CALIFORNIANS ARE FEELING
THAT CRIME IS INCREASING
LOCALLY. 59% ALMOST TWO THIRDS
OF CALIFORNIANS SUPPORT AMENDING
PROPOSITION 47 SPECIFICALLY TO
PROSECUTE PROPERTY, SOME
PROPERTY CRIMES. AS FELONIES. SO
I'M ASKING THIS COMMITTEE. TO
GIVE A FAIR CONSIDERATION. AND
I'M FRANKLY DISAPPOINTED THAT
YOU'RE THE ONLY MEMBER OF THE
COMMITTEE ON THIS DIET. UM BUT I
I'M ASKING THIS FOR YOU KNOW,
THIS IS A EARNEST ATTEMPT TO TRY
TO HEAR WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS
ARE SAYING LOUD AND CLEAR. THAT
THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE IN THEIR
COMMUNITIES. THEY WANT COMMON
SENSE FIXES TO PROPOSITION 47.
NOTHING IS PERFECT. NOTHING IS
PERFECT AND WE NEED TO START
SOMEWHERE TO MAKE SOME COMMON
SENSE. FIXES TO PROPOSITION 47.
I'M VERY PROUD TO BE JOINED
WITH. REPRESENTING THE LEGAL
CALIFORNIA CITIES, THE MAYOR OF
THE CITY OF PARAMOUNT, ISABEL
AGUAYO, AS WELL AS REPRESENTING
, UH, THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. AND
SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
I KNOW THE CHAIR HAS ASKED, HAS
STAYED IN MANY TIMES AND
CORRECTLY THAT CURRENT LAW
ALLOWS FOR THE, UH YOU KNOW THE
FILING OF A FELONY CHARGES
AGAINST REPEAT OFFENDERS, AND SO
WE HAVE OUR SACRAMENTO COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY 10 HO, WHO BE
ABLE TO ANSWER. AND TO CLARIFY
THAT THE EXISTING LAW DOES NOT
ALLOW FOR GOING AFTER REPEAT
OFFENDERS AS WELL AS TO GET THEM
TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DRUG
ADDICTION DIVERSION COURT
PROGRAMS ELECTED TURN OFF TO
MAYOR AGUADA GOOD MORNING CHOSE
FOR A MINUTE. UM, I JUST SORT OF
THINK THAT THE.
YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL WE CAN'T
WAIT.
IT'S DEPENDENT. OKAY, GO AHEAD
AND. PROCEED. THANK YOU. HMM.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS ISABEL AGUAYO AND I
AM THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF
PARAMOUNT AND ALL FEMALE CITY
COUNCIL IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY. I
AM HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF
THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES,
WHICH PROUDLY SPONSORING THIS
MEASURE ON BEHALF OF THE 482
CITIES THROUGHOUT OUR STATE. MY
CITY IS HOME TO OVER 53,000
RESIDENTS IN SOUTHEAST LOS
ANGELES COUNTY AND LARGELY
CONSISTS OF UNDERSERVED LOW
INCOME LATINO RESIDENTS. WE ARE
ONE OF MANY CITIES WITHIN THE
LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES THAT
VOTED TO SUPPORT THIS MEASURE,
AND WE WANT TO DO SO LOUDLY. WE
MAY NOT HAVE BEEN VOCAL ENOUGH
IN THE PAST, BUT I AM HERE TO
TELL YOU THAT WE NEED YOUR HELP
IN FINDING SOLUTIONS TO FIX
PROPOSITION 47. ACCORDING TO A
FEBRUARY 2023 STUDY CONDUCTED BY
THE PUBLIC POLICY INSTITUTE OF
CALIFORNIA, A MAJORITY OF
CALIFORNIANS WERE EITHER
FAMILIES WILL BE A VICTIM OF A
CRIME. THIS IS THE GROWING
SENTIMENT BEING FELT IN CITIES
THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND IT IS
NOT WITHOUT REASON. PROP 47
RELAXED CRIMINAL PROSECUTION FOR
PETTY THEFTS AND CERTAIN TYPES
OF FRAUD. REPEAT OFFENDERS FACE
NO ESCALATING PENALTIES AND
DANGEROUS DRUG POSSESSION.
CHARGES IN CASES WERE
RECLASSIFIED AS MISDEMEANORS.
IT'S NO WONDER WHY THE CITY OF
PARAMOUNT SIGN 11% INCREASE IN
PETTY THEFTS FIND THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF PROP 47 GOING
FROM 756 IN 2014 TO 842 AND
2018. PERHAPS MORE STRIKING IS
THE 47% INCREASE IN GRAND THEFT
AUTOS, WHICH SPIKED FROM 388 AND
2014 TO 572 AND 2021. THESE
OFFENDERS TYPICALLY HAVE A LARGE
ROLE IN REPEAT THEFTS AND
BURGLARIES. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO
ADVOCATE FOR COMMON SENSE
SOLUTIONS THAT HELP ADDRESS
THESE TYPES OF CONTINUOUS AND
ESCALATING OFFENSES. I'VE
PERSONALLY HEARD COUNTLESS TIMES
FROM RESIDENTS THAT I SERVED
THAT THEY ARE FED UP WITH BEING
VICTIMS OF CRIME. A B 17 086 TO
AMEND PROPOSITION 47 IN A MODEST
BUT MEANINGFUL WAY. WE AGREE
WITH YOU AND DO NOT WANT TO
RETURN TO THE DAYS OF OVER
INCARCERATION, BUT REFORM NEEDS
TO HAPPEN. WE SUPPORT STRATEGIES
AND RESOURCES TO ADDRESS NOT
ONLY CRIME BUT ALSO ITS
UNDERLYING CAUSES. THIS INCLUDES
A PARTNERSHIP WITH ALL LEVELS OF
GOVERNMENT AND ORGANIZATIONS TO
IMPROVE COMMUNITY SAFETY THROUGH
PREVENTION AND EARLY
INTERVENTION PROGRAMS. INCREASED
ACCOUNTABILITY, IMPROVED
REHABILITATION AND RE ENTRY
SERVICES. A B 17. OH, EIGHT
WOULD INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY
FOR REPEAT THEFT OFFENDERS AND
OFFER PATHWAYS FOR DIVERSION
PROGRAMMING. WE BELIEVE THIS
COMBINATION WILL BE TRULY
EFFECTIVE IN INCREASING
COMMUNITY SAFETY AND WELLNESS.
IMPROVING PUBLIC SAFETY
THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITIES IS A
TOP PRIORITY FOR CITIES THIS
LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THIS
STRATEGY IS ONE OF MANY
SUPPORTED BY KELL CITIES IN
ADDRESSING CRIME AND ITS
UNDERLYING CAUSES. WE CITIES
REMAIN COMMITTED TO IMPROVING
CALIFORNIA'S JAIL AND PRISON
SYSTEMS, ENDING REPEAT OFFENSES
AND BUILDING COMMUNITY BASED
SYSTEM FOR ALL COMMUNITY
MEMBERS. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR A BOAT. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING. MY NAME IS CHEN HO. I
AM THE ELECTED DISTRICT ATTORNEY
OF SACRAMENTO COUNTY. AFTER MY
PARENTS AND I ESCAPED VIETNAM IN
A SMALL FISHING BOAT. WE
EVENTUALLY MADE OUR WAY TO EAST
SAN JOSE, WHERE MY PARENTS SPENT
YEARS SAVING UP MONEY TO START A
GROCERY STORE WIDE WORKED. $30
BILLION A YEAR HAS LOST TWO
RETAIL THEFT, AND THAT'S JUST
THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. WHEN
YOU'RE CONSIDERING ALL THE
UNREPORTED SELF OFFENSES FOR
BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY MOM AND
POP SHOPS, LIKE MY PARENTS CAN
MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
STAYING IN BUSINESS OR GOING OUT
OF BUSINESS. THIS BILL IS A
COMMON SENSE WAY OF DRESSING
THIS ISSUE. PEOPLE OFTEN STEAL.
EITHER TO MAKE MONEY OR TO FEED
THEIR ADDICTION FOR THOSE WHO
ARE PRE TIDDLY WALKED OUT OF
STORES WITH AN ARMFUL OF STOLEN
PROPERTY. THIS LAW WILL ALLOW
THE JUSTICE SYSTEM TO HOLD THEM
ACCOUNTABLE IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.
BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE STEALING
TO FEED THEIR ADDICTION, IT ALSO
ALLOWS US TO CREATE A SPECIAL
DIVERSION PROGRAM IN SACRAMENTO
. WE HAVE 12 DIFFERENT
COLLABORATIVE COURTS AND
DIVERSION PROGRAMS, BUT NONE OF
THEM ARE AN EFFECTIVE MEANS TO
DEAL WITH THEFT AND DRUG
ADDICTION IN COMBINATION AND
THIS IS WHY MISDEMEANOR THEFT
OFFENSES, WHICH WE CHARGE ALL
THE TIME IN SACRAMENTO, OFTEN
RESULT IN JUST FINE OR A FEW
DAYS IN JAIL. THAT'S THE REALITY
OF A MISDEMEANOR THEFT OFFENSE,
THE GRAVITY OF DRUG ADDICTION
WE'RE PULLING ADDICT TOWARDS A
PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE WHEN
FACED WITH THE CHOICE BETWEEN A
FEW DAYS IN JAIL OR A
COMPREHENSIVE DRUG PROGRAM. THE
ATTIC WILL OFTEN PICK THE PATH
OF LEAST RESISTANCE. WE HAVE NO
TEETH, NO LEVERAGE. NO MEANS OF
ENCOURAGEMENT. THIS BILL WOULD
GIVES US THE MEANS TO ADDRESS
THAT, WHILE ALSO HOLDING
ACCOUNTABLE. THOSE WHO COMMIT
REPEATED THEFT AND HELP SMALL
BUSINESSES SUCH AS THE GROCERY
STORE THAT MY PARENTS OWNED. WE
IN SACRAMENTO HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF
AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS STEALING
REPEATEDLY FROM TARGET JUST A
MILE AND A HALF AWAY FROM HERE
EVERY DAY FOR 30 DAYS, EACH OF
THOSE OFFENSES OR MISDEMEANORS.
BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL COMMITTED
THOSE OFFENSES INDIVIDUALLY AND
NOT IN CONCERT WITH OTHER
PEOPLE. WE COULD NOT CHARGE
ORGANIZED STAFF BECAUSE THAT
INDIVIDUAL WAS STEALING A DAY
HERE A DAY THERE. THERE WAS NO
COMMON SCHEME OF PLANS. SO THE
AMENDMENT THAT WAS PASSED
THROUGH LAST YEAR DOES NOT
ADDRESS THAT. AT THE END OF THE
DAY. THIS BILL IS A COMMON SENSE
APPROACH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE OTHER? UH
OTHER PEOPLE IN SUPPORT. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR AND MEMBERS. ELISA
ARCIDIACONO WITH THE LEAGUE OF
CALIFORNIA CITIES ARE PROUD CO
SPONSOR OF THIS MEASURE. THANK
YOU. ETHAN NAGLER ON BEHALF OF
THE CITIES OF BAKERSFIELD,
CARLSBAD AND RANCHO PALOS VERDE
IS IN SUPPORT. CHAIR AND MEMBERS
JONATHAN FELDMAN WITH THE
CALIFORNIA POLICE CHIEFS
ASSOCIATION, PROUD CO SPONSOR
THANKS. MR CHAIR CHRIS MAKELELE
ON BEHALF OF THE HOLLYWOOD
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND SUPPORT
JONATHAN RAVEN, CHIEF DEPUTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF THE YELLOW
COUNTY ATTORNEY'S ASSOCIATION
OFFICE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DÍAS ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT. LATISHA GARCIA WITH A
CALIFORNIA GROCERIES
ASSOCIATION, ALSO IN SUPPORT.
GOOD MORNING, KIRA ROSS ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS
IN SUPPORT. SARAH POLO MOVE ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
RETAILERS ASSOCIATION AND
SUPPORT. DO WE HAVE ANY
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. BUT
YOU HAVE FIVE. FIVE MINUTES.
BUT FIVE MINUTES TOTAL BETWEEN
THE TWO. YOU GO AHEAD AND START.
GOOD MORNING MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
ED LITTLE, UM, WITH CALIFORNIA'S
FOR SAFETY AND JUSTICE. AND WE
ARE IN RESPECT FOR OPPOSITION TO
A B 17. OH, EIGHT. A B 17 OH,
EIGHT SEEKS TO PARTIALLY REPEAL
FUNDAMENTAL COMPONENTS OF PROP
47 BY INCREASING PENALTIES FOR
LOW LEVEL SHOPLIFTING AND PETTY
THEFT. IN NUMEROUS SCENARIOS, IT
GESTURES TOWARDS THE CONTINUING
FIELD NARRATIVE AND PUSH FOR THE
DESTRUCTIVE TOUGH ON CRIME
POLICIES OF THE PAST. MAYBE 17
OH, EIGHT, INTENDS TO CHARGE NON
VIOLENT CALIFORNIANS WITH
FELONIES AND TAKE US BACK TO A
TIME WHERE PUNISHMENTS WERE NOT
COMMENSURATE WITH THE OFFENSE
AND OVERLY PUNITIVE MEASURES
WERE THE ORDER OF THE DAY. WE
HAVE ALL WITNESSED THE COSTLY
RESULT OF BELIEVING WE CAN
INCARCERATE OUR WAY OUT OF
CRIME. THE SOCIAL PROBLEMS THAT
UNDERGIRD THESE ISSUES WE ALL
SEEK TO ADDRESS CANNOT BE SOLVED
WITH A JAIL OR PRISON CELL.
POVERTY HOUSING INSECURITY, LACK
OF ADEQUATE MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES, UNEMPLOYMENT,
SUBSTANCE USED AND EXTREMELY
HIGH COST OF LIVING. REQUIRE US
TO THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT
SOLUTIONS THAT WILL MAKE ALL OF
US SAFE AND SECURE. PROP 47 IS
AN EXAMPLE. OF A SOLUTIONS BASED
APPROACH TO ADDRESSING THESE
ISSUES OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS
, PROP 47 THAT SAVED THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA $700 MILLION THESE
RESOURCES HAVE GONE TOWARDS
TRANSFORMING COMMUNITIES ACROSS
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THROUGH
INVESTMENTS IN MENTAL HEALTH
SERVICES, SUBSTANCE TREATMENT
PROGRAMS, YOUTH INTERVENTION,
REENTRY SERVICES TRAUMA RECOVERY
SERVICES FOR VICTIMS OF CRIME.
THESE RESULTS. THIS RESULTS IN
FEWER PEOPLE IN JAILS AND
PRISONS AND MORE SERVICES AND
SUPPORT AND ULTIMATELY MORE
SAFETY, NOT LESS. THE SUCCESS OF
PROP 47 SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED,
RATHER THAN USED AS A STRAW MAN
BY THOSE WHO ARE RESISTANT TO
THE IDEA OF REFORM. IF WE
DISPROPORTIONATELY INVEST OUR
RESOURCES INTO PRISONS AND JAILS
AND PROSECUTORS AND POLICE THERE
WILL BE NOTHING LEFT FOR THE
THINGS WE KNOW. CREATE. TRUE
SHARED SAFETY AND COMMUNITY WELL
BEING. MAYBE 17 OH, EIGHT, IS
YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO GO DOWN
THE PATH THAT CALIFORNIA VOTERS
HAVE REJECTED ON MULTIPLE
OCCASIONS. SIGNIFICANTLY
REVERTING MISDEMEANORS BACK TO
FELONY WOULD ONCE AGAIN
DRAMATICALLY INCREASED
INCARCERATION RATES, LEAVING THE
STATE VULNERABLE TO FALLING OUT
OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE PRISON
SYSTEMS POPULATION CAP AND
MANDATED BY THE FEDERAL
JUDICIARY. FOR THESE REASONS, WE
ARE OPPOSED TO A B 17 OH, EIGHT.
GOOD MORNING AGAIN. MARCO GEORGE
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION,
WHERE RESPECTFULLY IN OPPOSITION
TO A B 17. OH EIGHT. ECHO MR
LITTLE'S COMMENTS AND ALSO ADD,
UM, THAT THIS IS NOT A COMMON
SENSE. UM, SOLUTION. TO WHAT'S
PERCEIVED AS RISING CRIME. AND
THE ANALYSIS AND THE COMMITTEE'S
ANALYSIS, UM, LIST ONE STUDY
AFTER ANOTHER DONE BY ALL KINDS
OF DIFFERENT UM. COMMITTEE'S
POLICY INSTITUTE'S RANGING FROM
THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF
JUSTICE. TO THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC POLICY INSTITUTE, SHOWING
THAT CRIME ACTUALLY HAS OVERALL
BEEN REDUCED SINCE 2019. UM AND
I WOULD ECHO THE OTHER BENEFITS
OF PROP 47. IT HAS REDUCED
RACIAL DISPARITIES, UM, PUBLIC
POLICY INSTITUTE OF CALIFORNIA
SAID IT LED TO A NOTABLE
DECREASE AND RACIAL ETHNIC
DISPARITIES AND ARREST AND BOOK
BOOKING. ALSO WE ALL KNOW AT
THIS POINT THAT AT LEAST THE
STUDIES SHOW THAT UM, HARSHER
PUNISHMENT DOES NOT DETER
CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. UM PROP 47
HAS REDUCED THE PRISON
POPULATION AND SAVE MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS, MAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR
CALIFORNIA. BEING ABLE TO CLOSE
TO PRISONS ALREADY AND
POTENTIALLY CLOSED UP TO FIVE
MORE. THIS IS ESPECIALLY
IMPORTANT AND LIGHT OF THE FACT.
THAT IN THE BUDGET THAT'S BEING
ASKED, UM, FOR YOU TO PASS NOW,
C D. C R IS SAYING THAT IT COST
THEM 127,000. A YEAR PER
INDIVIDUAL TO KEEP SOMEONE IN
PRISON. THIS IS WHILE CALIFORNIA
NOW IS FACING A $22 BILLION
BUDGET SHORTFALL, WHICH UM, IS
BELIEVED TO BE INCREASING. SO.
IMPRISONING PEOPLE FOR SELLING.
STEALING. EXCUSE ME ITEMS. UM
THAT AMOUNT TO LESS THAN $950.
UM FOR A YEAR IS JUST NOT EVEN
FINANCIALLY. FEASIBLE DOES NOT
MAKE COMMON SENSE. AND FRANKLY,
IT WOULD BE CHEAPER JUST TO
REIMBURSE THE MERCHANTS FOR
THEIR LOSSES. UM I UNDERSTAND
YOUR PLIGHT. MY FAMILY HAD A
SMALL BUSINESS THAT ONE POINT
AND ALSO SUFFERED. UM, AND THIS
WAS WAY BACK IN THE 19 FIFTIES
FROM THEFT. I THINK IT'S AN
ONGOING PROBLEM AND IMPRISONING
PEOPLE IS NOT THE ANSWER SO
RESPECTFULLY AS FOR YOUR NO
VOTE. YEAH NO WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. MORNING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS HAD ANYMORE. GILAD HERE
ON BEHALF OF LEGAL SERVICES FOR
PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN ALSO
HERE ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US OR
NONE AND STRONG OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. HELLO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS CAN MENDOZA WOULD ANSWER
RECIDIVISM COLLISION AND
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED THIS BILL.
THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, ANALISA
RUIZ ON BEHALF OF YOUNG WOMEN'S
FREEDOM CENTER, AS WELL AS
SISTER WARRIORS FREEDOM
COALITION IN OPPOSITION. GOOD
MORNING. GLENN BECK IS ELLA
BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS
AND OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING.
MICHAEL DOCTOR OFF ON BEHALF OF
A C L U CALIFORNIA ACTION IN
OPPOSITION. DANICA ROAD ARM ON
BEHALF OF INITIATE JUSTICE AND
OPPOSITION. JIM LINDBERG FRIENDS
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION OF
CALIFORNIA OPPOSED AND MAY I ADD
, PLEASE SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION. ALSO AN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
AND I'LL BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE. MEMBERS, MR LATIN.
YEAH. MY CONCERNS WITH THIS BILL
ARE QUITE SIGNIFICANT. BUT
ALLOWING THE STATUS QUO IS EVEN
MORE OBJECTIONABLE. AND I'LL BE,
UH SUPPORTING IT TODAY AND I
MOVED THE BILL. THANK YOU. IN
THE OTHER. YOU MIGHT CLOSE, MR
MAYOR, SOOTY. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR FOR JOINING US, UM I DON'T
WANT TO REPEAT WHAT ALL OF THE
WITNESSES AT TESTIFIED EARLIER,
BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT. FIRST
OF ALL, THE OPPOSITION'S
COMMENTS SEEMED LIKE THEY'RE
JUST CUTTING PASTE FROM THAT THE
STANDARD TALKING POINTS FOR, UH,
YOU KNOW, TO DEFEND PROPOSITION
47. I THINK THIS DOESN'T
RECOGNIZE THAT THIS BILL IS
TRYING TO MEET YOU AND THE HALF
HALFWAY BY BY PROPOSING
DIVERSION PROGRAMS BY BY WANTING
TO MAKE THE DRUG ADDICTION
DIVERSION PROGRAMS AFFECTED BY
HAVING SOME MEANINGFUL, UH,
INCENTIVE TO PARTICIPATE IN
THESE DRUG ADDICTION PROGRAMS.
YOU WE HEARD FROM THE SAME THE
SACRAMENTO DISTRICT ATTORNEY
ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE NOT
PARTICIPATING IN THE DRUG
DIVERSION PROGRAMS BECAUSE THERE
IS NO INCENTIVE TO I KNOW AS A
FORMER PROSECUTOR, AS WELL AS A
FORMER PUBLIC DEFENDER THAT IF
IT'S A CHOICE BETWEEN SPENDING A
DAY OR TWO IN JAIL, OR, YOU KNOW
, PARTICIPATING IN A, UH A
COMMITMENT TO BRITISH PATE IN
DRUG REHAB. THEY'RE GOING TO
TAKE THE EASY ROAD OUT THERE
JUST GOING TO DO THE TIME. THE
PROBLEM IS THAT YOU KNOW AS 78%
OF CALIFORNIANS, YOU KNOW, DON'T
FEEL THAT THEY ARE SAFE. 59%
ALMOST TWO THIRDS OF
CALIFORNIA'S, ACCORDING TO LAST
YEAR'S èC, BERKELEY. POLL
SUPPORT AMENDING PROPOSITION 47
TO FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON
PROPERTY CRIMES TO ALLOW SOME
PROPERTY CRIMES TO BE PROSECUTED
AS FELONIES. WE ARE TRYING TO
MEET YOU HALFWAY HERE BY
PROPOSING A DIVERSION PROGRAM, I
THINK IS VERY PROGRESSIVE, IN
THE SENSE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO
BE IN THE SPIRIT OF PROPOSITION
47 TO 2. PROPOSED DRUG ADDICTION
, MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
DIVERSION ALTERNATIVES TO
INCARCERATION. AND THIS BILL.
AND THIS COMMITTEE. FRANKLY MR
CHAIRMAN NEEDS TO QUIT BEING THE
DEATHBED OF ANY EFFORT TO TRY TO
AMEND TO FIX PROPOSITION 47 TO
MAKE IT BETTER. THIS COMMITTEE
HAS BEEN OUT OF TOUCH. WITH THE
78% OF CALIFORNIANS WHO FEEL
THAT CALIFORNIA IS NO LONGER A
SAFE PLACE TO BE 65% OF PEOPLE
WHO BELIEVE THAT THEIR LOCAL
NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT SAFE AND
59% ALMOST TWO THIRDS WHO WOULD
SUPPORT SOME COMMON SENSE FIXES
TO PROPOSITION 47. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A VOTE. AND
THANK YOU. AND, UH, AS YOU KNOW
, UM, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE HAD OTHER COMMITTEES
TO GO TO NOT ONLY DEMOCRATS BUT
ALSO REPUBLICANS. AND SO IT'S
NOT I WILL TELL YOU. IT'S NOT
OUT OF DISRESPECT. YOU AND I
HAVE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT THIS, SO I'M PROBABLY MORE
I PROBABLY KNOW MORE
INFORMATION. AND THEN THE MOST
ON THE SUBJECT. AND SO THIS THIS
WILL I WILL DO FOR YOU TODAY. UM
TO AT LEAST SECOND. AT LEAST GET
A VOTE. ON THIS. I WOULDN'T WANT
IT TO DIE. BECAUSE I THINK WE
NEED TO CONTINUE. I THINK YOU
MAYBE EVEN BE ON THE RIGHT PATH.
I THINK WITH THE WHAT. MAYBE A
SEMANTIC THAT TOLD YOU EARLIER
WHEN I MENTIONED TO YOU THE
MOVEMENT TO END PROP 47 OR 57.
UM. IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE WHEN
THE VOTERS HAVE VOTED. TWICE TO
HAVE PROPER 47-57. AND GOING TO
YOU KNOW, YOU DO ALL THE POLLING
YOU WANT. I PROBABLY GET POLLING
SACRA BE GOVERNOR. BUT DON'T
MEAN THE VOTERS WILL VOTE FOR ME
AS GOVERNOR. AT THE END OF THE
DAY IS THE VOTERS. THAT MAKE THE
DECISION. AND SO, UM UM, I TOLD
YOU BEFORE, AND I'LL SAY IT
AGAIN AND I'LL SAY IT HERE. UM
THERE IS NO LAW THAT IS 100%
PERFECT. EVEN THOUGH I THINK ALL
THE MINDS ARE PERFECT, BUT THERE
IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT
LAW, AND, UH, IF IT DOES NOT
MAKE IT OUT OF HERE, UH, IF
YOU'RE SERIOUS ABOUT IMPROVING
MAYBE A SEMANTICS VERSUS
AMENDING VERSUS FIXING. VERSUS
IMPROVING. PROP 47, WHICH I
THINK EVERY MEMBER HERE WOULD
LOVE TO IMPROVE IT. WHAT YOU MAY
AGAIN AND MAYBE SEMANTICS, BUT
WE'VE GOT TO GET ON THE SAME
PAGE AT LEAST THERE. AND I THINK
MORE AND MORE OF CALIFORNIANS.
WILL BE IN LINE AS VOTERS WILL
BE IN LINE WITH WHATEVER WE COME
UP WITH. TO MOVE FORWARD. UH AND
SO, UM WITH THAT YOU HAVE YOUR
FIRST YOU GOT YOUR SECOND. AND
THERE WAS NO OTHER COMMENTS, SO
WE'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. I'M
ASSUMING IT WAS NORTHERN
COMMENTARY. ON A B 17 OH, EIGHT
BY SEVEN MEMBER CREW ITSUKI. THE
MOTION IS PASSED TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOAN
SAWYER. YOU'RE NOT VOTING
ELONIS. BANTA. BRIAN BLACKIE,
BLACKIE. I ORTEGA. THEY ARE
VOTING OR NOT VOTING SANTIAGO
ZIPPER. MEASURES ON CALL. THANK
YOU. UH, TILTING. MURATSUCHI GET
IN FRONT OF YOU. I WAS IN SUB
TWO, OKAY? MR TING 505 BECAUSE
WE LOOK ALIKE DON'T NUMBER FIVE.
AH! K¾T. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
MAYBE FIVE OR FIVE ENSURES THE
STATE IS BEING CONSISTENT WITH
ITS EFFORTS TO SHIFT FROM THE
CORRECTIONS MODEL TO A MORE
APPROPRIATE HEALTH BASED
APPROACH WHEN DEALING WITH ARE
INCARCERATED YOUTH IN 2020. WE
PASSED A BUDGET BILL, WHICH
CREATED THE OFFICE OF YOUTH AND
COMMUNITY RESTORATION TO HELP
TRANSFORM THE JUVENILE JUSTICE
SYSTEM FROM CORRECTIONS BASED
HEALTH BASED WE ALSO CREATED OUR
BUTTS PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR
INVESTIGATING VIOLATIONS OF
YOUTH RIGHTS IN THE JUVENILE
JUSTICE SYSTEM. THE LEGISLATURE
HAS MOVED TO CLOSE ALL YOUTH
PRESENCE, SO STARTING THIS YEAR,
ALL INCARCERATED YOUTH WILL BE
HELD AT COUNTY FACILITIES. AS
PART OF THIS CHALLENGE, THE
STATE PROVIDES MORE THAN 200
MILLION ANNUALLY TWO COUNTIES TO
CARE FOR YOUTH IN ORDER TO
RECEIVE THE FUNDING. CARRIES
MUST SUBMIT A PLAN, INCLUDING
CERTAIN ELEMENTS DESCRIBING HOW
THEY'LL MEET THE NEEDS OF YOUTH
. HOWEVER THERE IS LITTLE
ACCOUNTABILITY. UH THAT AS A
STATE WE CAN ACTUALLY IMPOSED
ARBIL 85 05, CLARIFIES AND
STRENGTHENS ACCOUNTABILITY
ENSURES COUNTY PLANS ARE
CONSISTENT WITH HEALTH BASED
APPROACHES REMOVE BARRIERS THAT
HINDER THE OMBUDSMAN PERSON FROM
EFFECTIVELY INVESTIGATING
COMPLAINTS AND ACCESSING YOUTH.
AND SHIFTS ALL YOUTH RELATED
DUTIES FROM THE BOARD OF STATE
AND COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS TO Y
CR YOUTH, JUSTICE ADVOCATES AND
FORMERLY INCARCERATED YOUTH HAVE
SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS AND MONTHS
HELPING DEVELOP THE LANGUAGE TO
CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE YOUTH
JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT
APPROPRIATELY AND THOUGHTFULLY
MEETS THE NEEDS OF OUR
INCARCERATED YOUTH TO ENSURE
THEIR SUCCESS WITH THAT I HAVE
ONE WITNESS AND ONE PERSON HERE
TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL
QUESTIONS. I HAVE MICHAEL
MENDOZA FROM THE ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION. THANK YOU REMEMBER?
THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN JONES. SORRY
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS MICHAEL MENDOZA WITH THE
ANTI RECIDIVISM COALITION HERE
IN SUPPORT. IN 2020, THE
LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR
SAID CALIFORNIA ON COURSE TO
TRANSFORM THE YOUTH JUSTICE
SYSTEM. FROM A CORRECTIONS BASED
MODEL TO A HEALTH. TO A HEALTH.
AND HEALING AND OPPORTUNITIES
FOR GROWTH. MUCH HAS HAPPENED
SINCE THAT TIME. COUNTIES HAVE
DEVELOPED IN A REFINING THEIR
PLANS TO MEET THE MEAT MEATS OF
YOUTH. THE FIRST EVER STATE
OFFICE OF YOUTH JUSTICE, THE
OPPOSITE COMMUNITY AND
RESTORATION, THE OFFICE OF YOUTH
AND COMMUNITY RESTORATION
STARTED UP AND JUST A LITTLE
OVER TWO MONTHS, CALIFORNIA WILL
CLOSE THE STATUE IN OUR HOUSE.
HOWEVER OVER THE LAST 2.5 YEARS,
IT HAS ALSO BECOME CLEAR.
CLARIFICATION OF HIS ROLE AND
AUTHORITY ARE NEEDED. THIS IS TO
BE EXPECTED. IT IS A BIG
TRANSFORMATION, AND IT IS
IMPORTANT THAT THE LEGISLATURE
ANALYZE HOW IT'S GOING AND MAKE
ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE THINGS GET
OFF TRACK. MAYBE FIVE OR FIVE.
CORRECTS AND FILLS THOSE GAPS
ISN'T ESSENTIAL NEXT STEP TO
ENSURE THAT THE TRANSFORMATION
OF JUSTICE THAT THIS BODY
ENVISIONED GOES RIGHT. I
REMEMBER CLEARLY WHAT WAS LIKE
TO BE A VERY YOUNG AND VERY
ALONE IN A SMALL, DARK, SELL THE
JUVENILE HALL. THOSE WALLS TELL
YOU NO ONE CARES. I LOOK BACK
AND KNOW NOW THAT WAS A MOMENT
WHEN I NEEDED THE STATE SUPPORT
THE MOST. THIS IS WHAT A B 55 IS
ABOUT. THE STATE BEING THERE FOR
YOUTH. OH I SEE. OUR IS KEY TO
MAKING THIS WORK AND MAYBE FIVE
OR FIVE THOSE THREE THINGS. IT
MAKES SURE THAT YOU AND BUDS
PERSON THE NEW YOUTH ON BOATS,
PERSON CAN TALK TO YOUTH RIGHT
AWAY WHEN THEY FILE A COMPLAINT.
EXISTING LAW REQUIRES A 40 HOUR
WAITING PERIOD FOR THE FIRST
PERSON TO TALK WITH YOUTH ACCESS
RECORDS ARE GOING TO FACILITIES.
A LOT CAN GO WRONG WITHIN 48
HOURS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE
COMPLAINT IS ABOUT PHYSICAL OR
SEXUAL ABUSE. IMPORTANTLY MUCH
OF 85 OR FIVE AND BUDS. PERSONAL
LANGUAGE IS LIFTED DIRECTLY FROM
ANOTHER CALIFORNIA LAW. THE
FASTER YOUTH AND BUDS PERSON. 85
05 REQUIRES. OH I SEE ARE TO
REVIEW AND APPROVE COUNTY PLANS
TO SPEND THE 200 MILLION TO GET
FROM THE STATE. EXISTING LAW
ALLOWS COUNTIES TO GET
REALIGNMENT FUNDS EVEN IF THEIR
PLANS DON'T REFERENCES SINGLE
ELEMENT REQUIRED BY LAW. THIS
BILL ENSURES ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
TAXPAYER DOLLARS. FINALLY 85 05
MAKES STATE GOVERNMENT MORE
EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE BY
STREAMLINING ALL YOUTH JUSTICE
FUNCTIONS WITH OH, I SEE OUR
RIGHT NOW, SOME KEY FUNCTIONS
ARE IN THE ADULT CORRECTIONS
FOCUSED OFFICE TO BE SCC. A
LEGACY OF THE SWITCH LEADER ERA
WHEN THE STATE YOUTH JUSTICE WAS
PLACED UNDER CDCR. IT IS COMMON
SENSE TO UNIFY ALL STATE YOUTH
RELATED TASK UNDER THE STATE
OFFICE CREATED TO HANDLE YOU,
JUSTICE OR Y CR. IT IS EFFICIENT
AND EFFECTIVE. WE'VE ALL HEARD
THAT THERE'S A CRISIS. IN LOS
ANGELES HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN
JUVENILE HALLS. BUT IT'S NOT
JUST L A JUST TWO WEEKS AGO
DURING THE CONVENIENT FOCUS ON
JUVENILE HALLS. WE HEARD REPORTS
ON CONDITIONS IN 17 DIFFERENT
COUNTIES. OVERDOSES LACK OF
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES,
INSUFFICIENT PROGRAMMING.
RETALIATION FOR ATTEMPTING TO
REACH THE UNBUTTONS PERSON IN
VIOLENCE. BUT ALWAYS YOUR HAS NO
AUTHORITY TO ACT. AND THE B S. C
C HAS ONLY ONE TOOL. THE NUCLEAR
OPTION OF SHUTTING DOWN THE
HALLS. ALSO THE DSCC HAS ZERO
AUTHORITY TO MAKE ANY KIND OF
FINDING ON THE SUITABILITY OF
SECURE YOUTH TREATMENT
FACILITIES. THIS MEANS THE
HIGHEST YOUTH HAVE NO STATE
OVERSIGHT AT ALL. A B 505. WOULD
PROVIDE OPTIONS OTHER THAN A
FULL SHUTDOWN. WAYS TO SUPPORT
CHANGE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL BEFORE
THINGS GET TOO BAD. IT IS SO
CLEARLY NEEDED AND NEEDED RIGHT
NOW. NOW IS THE MOMENT TO ENSURE
YOUTH JUSTICE TRANSFORMATION YOU
ENVISIONED STAYS ON COURSE. AND
MAYBE FIVE OR FIVE WILL DO THAT.
AND I HEARD YOUR I VOTE. THANK
YOU. DID YOU KNOW? ANY ANYONE
ELSE AND THEN SUPPORT NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. GOOD MORNING.
JORDAN'S SOSA WITH CALIFORNIA
YOUTH CONNECTION PROUD CO
SPONSOR OF MAYBE 505 AND HERE IN
A BROAD COALITION OF
ORGANIZATIONS SUPPORTING THE
BILL 15 ARTS FOR HEALING AND
JUSTICE NETWORK, EVERY CHILD
FOUNDATION SANTA CRUZ BODIES YOU
NEED US. COMMUNITIES UNITED FOR
RESTORATIVE YOUTH JUSTICE
CHILDREN'S DEFENSE FUND,
CALIFORNIA NATIONAL JUVENILE
JUSTICE NETWORK. THE GATHERING
FOR JUSTICE. SYRIA'S POLICY
RESEARCH. COMMUNITY AGENCY FOR
RESOURCES, ADVOCACY AND SERVICES
AND THE ALLIANCE FOR BOYS AND
MEN OF COLOR. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. MR CHAIRMAN, AMANDA LEVEL
WITH HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH, ALSO
PROUD CO SPONSOR OF THIS BILL
AND ON BEHALF OF THE ALLIANCE
FOR BOYS AND MEN OF COLOR RISE
YOUTH CENTER. ASIAN PRISONER
SUPPORT COMMITTEE. FRESNO
BURIALS, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED ONLY
THOSE CALIFORNIA ALLIANCE FOR
YOUTH AND COMMUNITY JUSTICE. THE
SENTENCING PROJECT, FREEDOM FOR
YOUTH AND GRACE AND CHILD
POVERTY IN CALIFORNIA. THEY CALL
MORALES ON BEHALF OF CHILDREN
NOW AND SUPPORT. GLENN BACK.
IT'S ELLA BAKER CENTER FOR HUMAN
RIGHTS AND SUPPORT. ANALYSTS
ARISE WITH YOUNG MEN'S FREEDOM
CENTER PROUD CO SPONSOR IN
SUPPORT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO
EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR SISTER
WARRIORS FREEDOM COALITION,
CALIFORNIA COALITION FOR WOMEN,
YOUTH FORWARD KIDS IN COMMON, SO
A SEED COMMUNITY FOUNDATION
SPIRIT AWAKENING FOUNDATION
URBAN PEACE INSTITUTE, URBAN
PEACE MOVEMENT INSIDE OUTRIDERS
UNCOMMON LAW ALLIANCE AND
BARRIOS UNIDOS. ELIZABETH CALVIN
FROM HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH. WE'RE
PROUD TO SPONSOR WE HAVE SEVERAL
OTHER SPOKE CO SPONSORS. WE WANT
TO LIST HERE AND STRONG SUPPORT
THE ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN'S
RIGHTS. THE HEYWOOD BURNS
INSTITUTE, THE NATIONAL CENTER
FOR YOUTH LAW AND THE PACIFIC
JUVENILE DEFENDER CENTER. THANK
YOU. MY NAME IS STEVEN CARTER
OAN ON BEHALF OF ANTIVIRUS DID
RECIDIVISM COALITION IN SUPPORT
OF THIS BILL? THANK YOU. MY NAME
IS JOSE MIRANDA. ER, SHE JUST
GOT OUT FOUR WEEKS AGO AND I
STAND WITH THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING COMMITTEE. MY NAME
IS ELIAS DAVILA AND I CAME OUT
TWO WEEKS AWAY TO TWO WEEKS AGO
FOR D. J J AND I SUPPORT THIS
BILL. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH I
JUST WANNA SAY WELCOME HOME TO
THOSE YOUNG BROTHERS. MY NAME IS
TONY MAGEE LOT HERE AND STRONG
SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF LEGAL
SERVICES FOR PRISONERS WITH
CHILDREN. ALSO HERE ON BEHALF OF
ALL OF US ARE NOT STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. HELLO
EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING WAS IN
COLLISION. UH THANKS EVERYBODY
AND SUPPORT OF THIS BILL BECAUSE
OF ALL THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE
HERE. THIS IS WHY WE DO THIS. MY
NAME IS LOUIS SCOTT AND WENT TO
ANTI COALITION RECIDIVISM, AND
I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS
MICHELLE ZAPATA, MEMBER OF ANTI
RO CITIZEN COLLECTION, AND I AM
IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JOSE
TIRES. I JUST CAME OUT OF
DIVISION OF JEWS AND JUSTICE A
MONTH AGO AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT
MY NAME IS MARCUS NUNEZ. I'M
PART OF ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION. I STRONGLY SUPPORT
THIS BILL. MY NAME IS DOUGLAS
RODRIGUEZ AND PART OF HORRIFIC
COLLISION AND SUPPORT THIS BILL.
MY NAME IS ANGEL HERNANDEZ FOR
ANTI RACISM COLLISION AND ABOUT
TWO WEEKS AGO AND I SUPPORT THIS
BILL. GOOD MORNING CHAIR MEMBERS
JOSHUA KOBE WITH THE CALIFORNIA
ATTORNEYS FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE
IN SUPPORT. MARCO GEORGIA ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION IN THE SAN
FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
OFFICE AND STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. MY
NAME IS JULIE SVIDANIYA. I AM A
MEMBER OF ANTI RECESSION
COALITION. I STRONGLY SUPPORT
THIS BILL. OH, GOOD MORNING,
ESSMAN NUNEZ WITH THE ANTI
RECIDIVISM COALITION AS WELL AS
SOCIAL CHANGE IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. MY NAME IS JAMIE CARPER,
ATTORNEY AND MEMBER OF THE ANTI
RECIDIVISM COLOR COALITION. I'M
IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. MY NAME
IS KAMAL MALADIES AND I WENT
ANTIVIRUS CITIZENS. UM,
COALITION STRONG, SUPPORTED HIS
BILL. THANKS. HI I'M SELENA
CHAPIN WITH AIR, SEA AND
PARASITISM COERCION AND STRONG
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
DANICA RIGHT ARM ON BEHALF OF
INITIATE JUSTICE AND SUPPORT.
JIM LINDBERG FRIENDS COMMITTEE
ON LEGISLATION IN CALIFORNIA IN
SUPPORT. YES, WE'RE NOW BRINGING
. BACK TO ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. MORNING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS DANIEL SANCHEZ ON BEHALF
OF THE CHIEF PROBATION OFFICERS
OF CALIFORNIA HERE TODAY,
RESPECTFULLY IN OPPOSITION TO A
B 505. WE ARE VERY MUCH
CONCERNED ABOUT THE SUBSTANTIAL
CHANGES THAT THIS BILL PROPOSES
BOTH ORGANIZATIONALLY AND ALSO
PROGRAMMATICALLY, UM TO THE
OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THE VARIOUS
COMPONENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO
ENSURE THE SAFETY, SECURITY AND
ADVANCEMENT OF AH OF YOUTH AND
FACILITIES AND ALSO MAKING
PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES TO WHAT WAS
INCLUDED IN SP 8 23 AS WELL AS
LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND MAKING
ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THOSE VERY
MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE
DESTABILIZATION OF THE VERY
SIGNIFICANT IMPLEMENTATION THAT
WORK THAT HAS BEEN ASKED OF
PROBATION AND COUNTIES AND IS
CURRENTLY IN VERY EARNESTLY
UNDERWAY WITH MANY MANY
STAKEHOLDERS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL,
ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE VERY
SOON AN UPCOMING IMPENDING
CLOSURE OF D. J. J AS OF JUNE
30TH OF THIS YEAR. WHAT WE SEE
AT AT THIS TIME THAT'S NEEDED IS
STABILITY, CONTINUITY AND THE
ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT D J. J
REALIGNMENT AND THE RELATED
JUVENILE POLICIES WITHOUT
CONCURRENTLY MOVING THE
OVERARCHING STRUCTURE, UH FOR
TRAINING STANDARDS AND
INSPECTION DUTIES. UM WE SEE THE
PROPOSED CHANGES IN THIS BILL IS
CREATING INSTABILITY AND
IMPLEMENTATION AND ADDITIONAL
BARRIERS. THAT WOULD IMPEDE THE
WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AND
SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE DONE
ROBUSTLY TO BEST SERVE THE YOUTH
, BOTH OF THE D. J. J REALIGNED
YOUTH, BUT ALSO ALL YOU'VE BEEN
SERVED LOCALLY. SO FOR THOSE
REASONS, WE RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED
505 AND I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT
WE LOOK FORWARD TO MORE
CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE CERTAINLY
WE SEE VERY, UM SIMILAR SHARED
VALUES IN SOME OF THE ULTIMATE
GOALS, BUT ARE VERY MUCH
CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPROACH
THAT THIS BILL TAKES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION, SEEING
THEN BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE.
AND I'LL SECOND ANY COMMENTS.
SEEING NONE. YOU MAKE CLOTHES.
AGAIN APPRECIATE THE PROBATION
OFFICERS FOR THEIR, UM THEIR
CONCERNS THEIR COMMENTS AGAIN.
THIS APPROACH IS JUST TO PROVIDE
GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE
THE STATE IS INVESTING SO MUCH
MONEY INTO THE COUNTY SYSTEMS,
MAKING SURE THAT THE COUNTIES
ARE ACTING UNIFORMLY MAKING SURE
THAT THE COUNTY'S ACTUALLY ARE
MOVING MORE TOWARDS A HEALTH
CENTERED MODEL THAT
INCARCERATION CENTER MODEL. I
THINK MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S
HAPPENING ACROSS ALL 58 COUNTIES
. WITHOUT THIS BILL, WE REALLY
DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH
ENSURE THAT THERE IS UNIFORMITY
AND STANDARDIZATION ACROSS ALL
THE VARIETY OF COUNTIES WITHOUT
RESPECT FOR US FOR IVAN ON 85 OR
FIVE AND I THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS AS YOU KNOW. UM,
COMING FROM THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY. WE'RE IN A CRISIS THERE
IN LOS ANGELES. AND I'M BEING
NICE. EVEN THE CHIEF PROBATION
OFFICERS WILL TELL YOU UM, THAT
WE'RE IN CRISIS THERE AND
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. FROM
WHAT I CAN SEE OTHER OTHER
PROBATION. DEPARTMENTS ACROSS
THE STATE ARE DOING RELATIVELY
WELL. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE
PROBABLY NEED TO IMPORT THAT
DOWN TO LOS ANGELES. AND SO
YOU'RE YES STATEMENT ABOUT A
UNIFORM. OR MAKING SURE THAT
EVERYBODY'S PERFORMING WELL
ACROSS ALL PLATFORMS BECAUSE ALL
COUNTIES UM ESPECIALLY NOW THAT
THAT L. A IS TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT HOW TO FIX IT. UM, FIX
SHOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY. JUST
COPY WHERE IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL
BEFORE AND THEN JUST IMPLEMENT
IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE
BORDER. THAT'S WHY I THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING THIS UP. I WISH WE
HAD HAD IT. A LOT SOONER. UM
BECAUSE I LOOK AT NOW IN MY IN
MY OWN. COUNTY. UM. THE B S. C C
MAY HAVE TO TAKE SOME REALLY
DRASTIC MEASURES AND,
UNFORTUNATELY, THE BULK OF THE
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO OUR
COUNTY. AND SO THE SOONER WE GET
SOME. SOME STABILITY AND GET RID
OF THIS CHAOS, THE BETTER AND SO
IT IS RECOMMENDED. AYE. CALL THE
ROLL. AND MAYBE 505 BY SEVEN
MEMBER KING. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS TO THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE. JOAN SAWYER, I
ELONIS. BANTA. BRIAN. BLACKIE
BLACKIE. NO ORTEGA ORTEGA IES
SANTIAGO. ZIPPER MEASURES ON
CALL. THANK YOU. OKAY? HAVE
ARAMBULA. BILL NUMBER 380 ITEM
NUMBER THREE.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS. A B 3
80 WILL PROTECT CALIFORNIA'S
MOST VULNERABLE WORKERS FROM
BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY
INDIVIDUALS WHO FORCED THEM TO
WORK FOR LITTLE OR NO PAY UNDER
SEVERE WORKING CONDITIONS. HUMAN
LABOR TRAFFICKING IS AN
UNSCRUPULOUS ACT, WHICH
DEHUMANIZES AND EXPLOITS
PEOPLE'S LIVES, ESPECIALLY LOW
WAGE EARNERS. TRAFFICKED WORKERS
ENDURE THREATS FROM THEIR
EMPLOYERS RELATING TO
DOCUMENTATION STATUS,
WITHHOLDING OF THEIR WAGES AND
THREATS TO THE SAFETY OF THEIR
FAMILIES. THIS IMPOSES FEAR
AMONG VICTIMS AND PREVENTS THEM
FROM REPORTING THEIR
TRAFFICKERS. A B 3 80 CREATES A
LABOR TRAFFICKING UNIT WITHIN
THE DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL
RELATIONS. DEPARTMENT ALREADY
TASKED WITH ADMINISTERING AND
ENFORCING LAWS GOVERNING
WORKERS. THE LABOR TRAFFICKING
UNITS TO BE ESTABLISHED WITHIN
THE I R. WILL INVESTIGATE THESE
CASES AND COORDINATE WITH
ENTITIES INVOLVED IN THESE
EFFORTS, SUCH AS THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THE
DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL RIGHTS. IT
WILL ALSO SERVE AS A CONTACT
POINT FOR VICTIMS OF THIS ABUSE.
THE C R HAS HAD THE AUTHORITY TO
INVESTIGATE AND TO ENFORCE LABOR
TRAFFICKING INVESTIGATIONS,
HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO THE LITTLE
HOOVER COMMISSION, DCR HAS NOT
USED THEIR AUTHORITY TO BRING
LABOR TRAFFICKING CASES SINCE
2016 TO 2021. THIS BILL BRIDGES
THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN BOTH
THE C R AND D I. R TO COORDINATE
, INVESTIGATE AND TO ENFORCE
LABOR LAW VIOLATIONS AND TO
RESPOND APPROPRIATELY TO STOP
THE ABUSE OF WORKERS. THERE ARE
TWO WITNESSES AND SUPPORT OF A B
3 80 TODAY, CHRISTOPHER SANCHEZ
WITH WESTERN CENTER ON LAW AND
POVERTY, AND TOMORROW, FOSTER IS
THE EXECUTIVE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF
THE LITTLE HOOVER COMMISSION.
FIVE MINUTES. MORNING MR CHAIR
MEMBERS CHRISTOPHER SANCHEZ,
POLICY ADVOCATE WITH THE WESTERN
CENTER IN LONG POVERTY, PROUD TO
BE A COSPONSOR OF 83 82 FURTHER
COMBAT THEY WERE TRAFFICKING IN
CALIFORNIA, AS MANY OF US KNOW
THE ROOT CAUSE OF THEY WERE
TRAFFICKING AS POVERTY. NUMEROUS
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THE
CORRELATION BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS
OR FAMILIES FOR AN EXTREME
POVERTY OR MORE VULNERABLE TO
LABOR TRAFFICKING, ESPECIALLY
UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS COLLECT
ACCESS TO CRITICAL SOCIAL SAFETY
NETS. IN SOME INSTANCES,
INDIVIDUALS ARE LOWERED INTO
LABOR TRAFFICKING HAVE BEEN
PROMISED ENROLLMENT AND
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS OR JOB
TRAINING ARE SECURE JOB.
UNFORTUNATELY SOME INDIVIDUALS
WILL TAKE THESE PROMISES AT FACE
VALUE AND FALL INTO FORCED LABOR
IN HOPES OF MOVING THEMSELVES OR
THEIR FAMILIES OUT OF POVERTY.
83 80 IS A CRITICAL MEASURE TO
BUILD CALIFORNIA'S
INFRASTRUCTURE TO COMBAT THEY
WERE TRAFFICKING TO ENSURE THAT
WE LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED TO
END THE EXPLOITATION OF THESE
WORKERS. LASTLY OVER THE YEARS,
CALIFORNIA HAS FURTHER
LEGITIMIZED AND PROVIDED
ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS TO
WORKERS IN INDUSTRIES THAT OFTEN
SEE LABOR TRAFFICKING, SUCH AS
GOVERNMENT WORKERS, DOMESTIC
WORKERS, FARM WORKERS. WHICH
HAVE ALLOWED CERTAIN STATE
AGENCIES SUCH AS THE I. R TO
BUILD MORE OF A TRUSTING
RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE WORKERS
, WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT STEP TO
ENSURE THAT SURVIVORS COME
FORWARD. IT IS FOR THESE REASONS
THAT WE ASKED FOR A DRIVER.
THANK YOU BEGIN. GOOD MORNING
CHAIR REMEMBERS. MY NAME IS
TAMARA FOSTER. THANK YOU. I'M
THE DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
THE LITTLE HOOVER COMMISSION.
THE COMMISSION IS A NONPARTISAN
OVERSIGHT AGENCY THAT'S CHARGED
WITH INVESTIGATING STATE
OPERATIONS AND DEVELOPING
RECOMMENDATIONS TO PROMOTE THE
EFFICIENCY, THE EFFECTIVENESS
AND THE ECONOMY, UM OF STATE
GOVERNMENT IN 2020, THE
COMMISSION RELEASED A REPORT
TITLED LABOR TRAFFICKING
STRATEGIES TO HELP VICTIMS AND
BRING TRAFFICKERS TO JUSTICE. IN
THIS STUDY. WE FOUND THAT EACH
YEAR HUNDREDS OF KNOWN LABOR
TRAFFICKING SURVIVORS SEEK HELP
IN CALIFORNIA, YET CASES THAT
BRING TRAFFICKERS TO JUSTICE
REMAIN RARE. ON AVERAGE, THERE
ARE LESS THAN 30 CONVICTIONS FOR
LABOR TRAFFICKING IN CALIFORNIA
EACH YEAR. LABOR TRAFFICKING
CASES ARE RESOURCE INTENSIVE,
AND THEY REQUIRE WELL TRAINED
STAFF WITH THE CAPACITY TO VOTE
TO DEVOTE SUFFICIENT TIME TO THE
WORK. GIVEN THE COMPLEX NATURE
OF LABOR TRAFFICKING CASES, NO
SINGLE AGENCY OR ENTITY IS IN A
POSITION TO CONDUCT THE
COMPREHENSIVE, DETAILED ANALYSIS
OR TO PROVIDE THE CULTURALLY
SENSITIVE TRAUMA INFORMED
SUPPORT THAT SURVIVORS MAY NEED.
SOME REFERRAL MECHANISMS ARE IN
PLACE. CALIFORNIA CURRENTLY
LACKS THE FORMAL AGREEMENTS AND
OTHER PROCEDURES NECESSARY FOR A
HOLISTIC RESPONSE TO LABOR
TRAFFICKING ENFORCEMENT. WITHOUT
A FORMAL MEANS TO SHARE DATA AND
CRITICAL CASE INFORMATION
INVESTIGATIONS COULD STALL AT IN
TIME AND COST TO, UH
PROSECUTIONS AND DELAYING
JUSTICE. THE COMMISSION HAS ALSO
FOUND THAT THERE IS NO
CENTRALIZED REFERRAL TOOL FOR
SERVICE PROVIDERS AND SURVIVORS
. SEVERAL SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE
TO HELP LABOR TRAFFICKING
SURVIVORS. CALIFORNIA LAKSA MEAN
TO CENTRALIZE INFORMATION
REGARDING THESE SERVICES AND
RESOURCES STATEWIDE. CALIFORNIA
ALREADY HAS SOME TOOLS IN PLACE
TO TARGET VARIOUS CRIMES
INHERENT IN LABOR TRAFFICKING,
BUT IT MUST DO A BETTER JOB
ENSURING THAT TRAFFICKERS ARE
BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. ENHANCE
EFFORTS TO BRING LABOR
TRAFFICKERS TO JUSTICE. THE
COMMISSION RECOMMENDED CAL,
CALIFORNIA AND POWER STATE
AGENCIES TO INVESTIGATE LABOR
TRAFFICKING CRIMES. BY CREATING
A UNIT CHARGED WITH
INVESTIGATING AND RESPONDING TO
LABOR TRAFFICKING CLAIMS AND
PROVIDING COORDINATION AMONG
DIVERSE AGENCIES AND
JURISDICTIONS THAT MAY BE
INVOLVED IN THE CASE. THIS BILL
WOULD HELP FILL A LEADERSHIP
VOID AND THE STATE AROUND
COMBATING LABOR TRAFFICKING. FOR
THESE REASONS, WE RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU
IN ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS,
DAN FILLS OUT ON BEHALF OF THE
LOS ANGELES COUNTY DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, JAMES
MICHAEL PAOLO WITH THE AMERICAN
FEDERATION OF STATE COUNTY
MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES ASKED ME IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MORNING
CHAIR MEMBERS ANYMORE. GET OUT
HERE ON BEHALF OF LEGAL SERVICES
FOR PRISONERS WITH CHILDREN.
ALSO ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US ARE
NOT IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION? SEEN NONE BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS OR ANY
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. TODAVÍA
THANK THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING
THIS FORWARD AND I MOVED A
MOTION. OH, SLACK E. HOW YOU
DOING? OKAY FIRST OFF. LET ME
SAY THAT, UH, I FULLY SUPPORT
THIS PARTICULAR BILL, AND IT'S A
PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL DAVEY 18
20. WHICH WAS IN 2022. I
SUPPORTED THAT ONE AS WELL. BUT
AS YOU KNOW, IT GOT VETOED, AND
THAT'S WHY WE'RE BACK HERE
AGAIN. AND I COULD READ THE
WHOLE THING, BUT IT'S A LITTLE
BIT PAINFUL. SO I'M NOT GONNA DO
THAT, BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO
KNOW. HOW YOU PLAN TO ADDRESS
HIS VETO CONCERNS. BECAUSE
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT A
GROUNDHOG DAY EVENT ON THIS
BILL. AND SO, YEAH, IF YOU COULD
JUST KIND OF ADDRESS THAT ISSUE
AND MY LAST STATEMENT IS, I
THINK WE NEED BETTER STATISTICAL
GATHERING WHEN IT COMES TO THIS
LABOR TRAFFICKING BECAUSE IT'S
STILL THAT'S QUITE NEBULOUS, AND
I DON'T THINK THE SEVERITY HAS
BEEN CAPTURED. AND I REALLY
WOULD HOPE THAT WE AS A STATE
WOULD AS A LEGISLATURE WOULD
ADDRESS AND TRY TO SUPPORT ANY
MEASURE THAT WOULD, UH, ALLOW
BETTER STATISTICAL DATA. TO BE
GATHERED BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY,
VERY BIG PROBLEM. THANK YOU
ASSEMBLE MEMBER TO ADDRESS THE
GOVERNOR'S VETO. WE ARE WORKING
WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS TO ENSURE
THAT THE ACTIONS THEY TAKE TO
COMBAT HUMAN TRAFFICKING ARE
COMPLEMENTARY TO THE DEPARTMENT
OF CIVIL RIGHTS AND DO NOT
JEOPARDIZE ITS ABILITY TO ALSO
PURSUE INVESTIGATIONS. BUT WE
NEED MORE STATE AGENCIES THAT
ARE COORDINATING AND WORKING
TOGETHER AND HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THE PAST AND THE RESULTS THAT
WE'VE GOTTEN, WHICH IS WHY WE
CONTINUE TO PUSH A CONVERSATION
TO ENSURE WE HAVE AN
ORGANIZATION THAT WORKERS ARE
USED TO GOING TO FOR WAGE THEFT
VIOLATIONS. THAT FOR SOMETHING
LIKE LABOR TRAFFICKING, WHICH IS
A FORM OF AGGREGATED AGGRAVATED
WAGE THEFT, THAT WE HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT WORKERS
WHERE THEY'RE USED TO GOING. UM
THEY GET TRAUMATIZED AT THE
MOMENT WHEN THEY GO TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL RIGHTS
ORGANIZATION THAT HAS NOT
PRODUCED RESULTS AND BELIEVE WE
NEED TO REINFORCE THE PATTERNS
THAT ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND
FARM WORKERS ARE USED TO GOING
TO WHICH IS WITHIN THE
DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL
RELATIONS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
COMMENTS. YOU MAY CLOSE. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR. I APPRECIATE THE
QUESTION AND RESPECTFULLY ASKED
FOR AN I VOTE CHAIRS. RECOMMEND
I VOTE CALL ROLL. ON A B 3 80 BY
SEPTEMBER ARAMBULA. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASTOR, THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOHN
SAWYER. JOHN SAWYER. I ELONIS.
BANTA. BRIAN BRIAN. I LACKEY I
ORTEGA ORTEGA ICE SANTIAGO.
ZIPPER. MR STONE COFFIN. DON'T
CALL ONE MORE. MR WALDRON, WE
HAVE ABOUT 15 MINUTES. YOU HAVE
TWO BILLS DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO
DO 17 23 1ST JUST IT LOOKS LIKE
THERE'S NO OPPOSITION. MIGHT BE
ABLE TO GET THROUGH THAT ONE
FAIRLY QUICKLY. OKAY, WE STILL
HAVE TIME. BEFORE WE HAVE TO
RUSH OFF, OKAY? LEAST I DON'T
THERE'S NO WRITTEN OPPOSITION TO
IT ANYWAY. BLACK PEOPLE COME OUT
OF WOODWORK.
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, OKAY.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE. A B 17 23 WILL
STREAMLINE THE PROCESS TO ALLOW
PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUCCESSFULLY
COMPLETED STATE PRISON SENTENCES
AND ARE EMPLOYED BY A COMMUNITY
BASED ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING TO
VISIT COUNTY JAILS IN ORDER TO
PROVIDE MENTORSHIP SERVICES FOR
PEOPLE INCARCERATED THERE. AS A
RESULT OF AN INDEFINITE BAN.
SOME COUNTIES AND CDCR HAVE
CREATED INTERNAL POLICIES THAT
WILL ALLOW PEOPLE WHO SERVE
STATE PRISON SENTENCES TO VISIT
INCARCERATED PEOPLE. HOWEVER THE
POLICIES ARE OFTEN UNCLEAR, VERY
FROM FACILITY TO FACILITY AND
DON'T TAKE REHABILITATIVE
FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT. IT IS
IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR
AND TRANSPARENT VISITATION
PROCESS. FOR PEOPLE WHO SERVE
TIME IN STATE PRISONS. AND THAT
THE PROCESS BE MADE ACCESSIBLE
ON THE FACILITY'S WEBSITE AND
ANY OTHER OUTWARD FACING
PUBLICATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE INTENT OF
THIS BILL IS TO MAINTAIN THAT
SHERIFFS HAVE THE ULTIMATE
DISCRETION TO MAKE THE FINAL
DECISION OVER WHO CAN AND CANNOT
ENTER FACILITIES. THIS WOULD NOT
BE A BLANKET GRANT OF ENTRY FOR
ANYONE WHO APPLIES. I UNDERSTAND
THE CONCERNS THAT THE BILL DOES
NOT EXPLICITLY STATE THAT WE ARE
COMMITTED TO WORK ON THOSE
AMENDMENTS AS THE BILL MOVES
FORWARD. WITH ME TODAY IS ANDREW
NGUYEN FROM THE INSIGHT GARDEN
PROGRAM, A CO SPONSOR OF THE
LEGISLATION WHO CAN SHARE HIS
PERSONAL STORY, ALONG WITH THE
MISSION OF HIS ORGANIZATION AND
THE REHABILITATIVE WORK. THEY
DO. YOU WILL ALSO HEAR FROM MERE
AMINI, A DOCTORAL STUDENT AT THE
CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY AND ESTEBAN
UNIONS FROM ANTI RECIDIVISM
COALITION, ALSO A CO SPONSOR, TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING
ME HERE TODAY. UM YEAH. MY NAME
IS ANDREW IN THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR TO INSIDE GARDEN
PROGRAM WE PROVIDE IN PRISON
PROGRAMS INSIDE NINE STATE
PRISONS AND, UM, PROVIDE REENTRY
SERVICES TO THOSE WE SERVE. UM
IN THAT, UM YOU KNOW, WE HOPE TO
BE ABLE TO, UM BE ABLE TO SERVE
THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY
SERVING IN CALIFORNIA. UM WE'RE
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IN NINE
PRISONS. UM AND, YOU KNOW, JUST
TRYING TO BUILD OUT A PATHWAY
FOR FORMERLY INCARCERATED PEOPLE
TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS AND
CREATE MENTORSHIP AND HAVE
MENTEES. TWO ARE CURRENTLY
INCARCERATED WITHIN COUNTY
FACILITIES. THIS IS A WAY TO
KEEP OUR JAIL SAFER FOR PEOPLE
INSIDE, JUST FART, INCARCERATE
PEOPLE AND EVEN THE STAFF. UM
YOU KNOW THIS IS YOU KNOW,
RECENTLY WE HAD A PERSON WHO
SERVED LIFE SENTENCE PART OF MY
PROGRAM INSIDE OF A STATE PRISON
. HE WAS THEN TRANSFERRED FROM
THE STATE PRISON TO MY COUNTY
RESIDENTS AS AN E D OF THIS
ORGANIZATION THAT STATEWIDE GATE
CLEARANCE. I COULDN'T EVEN
CONVINCED THE COUNTY OF MY
RESIDENTS TO ALLOW ME TO GO
VISIT MY PROGRAM PARTICIPANT
WHOSE TO THIS DAY STILL
CURRENTLY INCARCERATED IN THAT
COUNTY FACILITY. UM AND SO WHAT?
WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE IT BE ABLE
TO CREATE A PROCESS SO SOMEBODY
LIKE ME WHO CERTAINLY MEETS
REHABILITATED FACTORS CAN GO
AHEAD AND PROVIDE THE SERVICES
THAT WE COMMITTED TO. YOU KNOW,
THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA TO
SERVE AND SO WITH THAT I WANT TO
BE ABLE TO PASS MY TIME ON TO
MIRROR THANK YOU, ANDREW. THANK
YOU. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY,
APPRECIATE IT. HELLO HONORABLE
CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
MERE. AND TODAY I'M HERE TO
ADVOCATE FOR THE PASSAGE OF A B
17 23, WHICH WOULD ENABLE
MENTORSHIP PROGRAMS FOR
INDIVIDUALS CURRENTLY
INCARCERATED IN LOCAL COUNTY
JAILS. AT THE AGE OF 18. I
BECAME INCARCERATED. I WAS A
BROKEN, IMPRESSIONABLE,
MISGUIDED YOUNG MAN. I SPENT
HALF OF MY LIFE INCARCERATED IN
CALIFORNIA STATE PRISONS. AFTER
AN 18 YEAR SENTENCE. I WAS
RELEASED AND GIVEN A SECOND
LEASE ON LIFE. UPON BEING GIVEN
THE SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE
THINGS RIGHT. I BUILT A LIFE FOR
MYSELF. I GOT AN EDUCATION
SECURED A FULL TIME POSITION AS
AN ACADEMIC COUNSELOR AT A
PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY GOT
MARRIED AND I'M A FATHER OF
THREE BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTERS. IN
RECOGNITION OF MY EFFORTS TO
BETTER MYSELF AND MY COMMUNITY.
GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM GRANTED ME
A FULL AND UNCONDITIONAL PARDON
IN JANUARY OF 2022. TO ME. THIS
WAS SYMBOLIC OF ALL MY HARD WORK
IN THE EIGHT YEARS SINCE MY
RELEASE FROM PRISON
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT RECEIVED FROM
THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN OUR GREAT
STATE ALLOWED ME TO START MY OWN
HEALING PROCESS. NO LONGER WOULD
I HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE
COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES OF A
CRIME I COMMITTED 27 YEARS AGO.
NO LONGER WOULD I HAVE TO BE
SUBJECT TO THE SHAME AND
RIDICULE OF THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO
JUDGE ME BY MY WORST MISTAKE.
TODAY I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF
MENTORING YOUTH. AT MY COUNT IN
MY COUNTY'S JUVENILE DETENTION
FACILITIES, AS WELL AS
INDIVIDUALS HOUSED IN CALIFORNIA
STATE PRISONS. RECENTLY I WAS
TURNED AWAY FROM VISITING A
YOUNG MAN AT A LOCAL COUNTY
FACILITY WHO I HAVE BEEN
MENTORING. I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS
NOT ALLOWED TO VISIT MY MENTEE
WITH NO EXPLANATION GIVEN AFTER
ASKING TO SPEAK TO THE WATCH
COMMANDER, I WAS TOLD TO UTILIZE
AND APPEAL SYSTEM THAT IS MIRED
IN OBSCURITY AND CONFUSION.
WORST OF ALL, I WAS TOLD THAT
ONCE A PAROLEE ALWAYS A PAROLEE
TODAY. I AM A FULL TIME ACADEMIC
COUNSELOR FOR PROJECT REBOUND.
CAL STATE FULLERTON. PROJECT
REBOUND IS A CAMPUS SUPPORT
PROGRAM FOR FORMERLY
INCARCERATED STUDENTS WHO WISH
TO PURSUE A COLLEGE DEGREE AND
USE EDUCATION AS THEIR
TRANSFORMATIVE TOOL. I AM A
BELOVED MEMBER OF THE TITAN
FAMILY OR SO I'D LIKE TO THINK.
I AM ALSO A DOCTORAL STUDENT AT
CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY, PURSUING MY
PHD BUT I'M ALSO A TAXPAYER. A
PROUD MEMBER OF MY COMMUNITY, A
BOARD MEMBER OF A DISABILITY
RIGHTS ORGANIZATION OF FATHER, A
SON AND A HUSBAND. DURING MY 16
YEARS OF INCARCERATION IN MY
DARKEST TIMES, I WAS GIVEN A
GLIMMER OF HOPE BY MENTORS WHO
HAD WALKED MY PATH. MENTORS WITH
LIVED EXPERIENCES WHO ARE NOW
THE BEST VERSIONS OF THEMSELVES
. SEEING THEM THRIVE. GAVE ME
HOPES THAT I WOULD ONE DAY HAVE
THE CHANCE TO REDEEM MYSELF. TO
DENY THOSE WITH LIVED
EXPERIENCES ACCESS TO THOSE WHO
ARE LIVING. THEIR EXPERIENCE IS
AN INJUSTICE. IF SOMEBODY LIKE
MYSELF IS DENIED ACCESS TO THOSE
IN NEED THAN MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS
, INCLUDING MY PART AND WERE IN
VAIN. HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. I HUMBLY REQUEST THAT
YOU RATIFY A B 17 23. THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. MARGO GEORGE, ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION, AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. JOSHUA TO BAY
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ATTORNEYS FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. DON'T
ANYMORE. GET OUT HERE ON BEHALF
OF LEGAL SERVICES FOR PRISONERS
WITH CHILDREN. ALSO HERE ON
BEHALF OF ALL OF US ARE NOT IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION? ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION SCENE AND WILL BRING
IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. ANY
COMMENTS QUESTIONS, MR ORTEGA? I
JUST WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR,
UM, EXCITED TO VOTE ON A
BIPARTISAN PIECE OF LEGISLATION
, THEY WILL MAKE A HUGE
DIFFERENCE. UM SO I WILL BE
SUPPORTING THIS BALLISTIC YOU.
THANK YOU, BRIAN. SECOND YOU MAY
CLOSE. THANK YOU, UM, JUST
REALLY QUICK. WE KNOW THAT A LOT
OF FOLKS WHO ARE WHO HAVE BEEN
CURRENTLY INCARCERATED AH!
REALLY NEED THE SUPPORT OF
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE
BEFORE. AND BEING ABLE TO
STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS AND
ALLOW PEOPLE IN WHO HAVE THAT
EXPERIENCE AND HAVE LIVED IT AND
WALK. THAT WALK WILL BE VERY
HELPFUL IN HAVING HOPEFULLY A
SUCCESSFUL RE ENTRY INTO SOCIETY
EVENTUALLY, SO I URGE AND I
VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS. NOT
ONLY IS IT A GOOD BILL, BUT IT
HELPS US SHOW THE OUTSIDE WORLD
THAT WE CAN WORK IN A BIPARTISAN
MANNER. SO AH, FOR THE ENTIRE
LEGISLATURE. WE THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. CALDERON.
ON A B 17 23 BY SOME REMEMBER
WALTER IN THE MOTION IS PASSED
TO THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE.
JOHN SAWYER. I ELONIS. BANTA.
BRIAN BRIAN, I WACKY ORTEGA.
ORTEGA? AYE, SANTIAGO. ZIPPER.
NEEDS TO CALL. WE NEED TWO MORE
VOTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM,
THIS COMMITTEE WELL, NOW GO INTO
RECESS AND WE'LL RECONVENE.
WE'LL RECONVENE AT 1 30 IN THIS
VERY SAME ROOM AGAIN. WE'LL
RECONVENE AT 1 30 IN ROOM 1 26
THE THIS ROOM THAT WE'RE IN
RIGHT NOW. SHE'S GONNA TISSUE.
WHAT YES. AND THEN MISS WALDEN
WILL COME BACK AND FINISH, OKAY?
THERE WE GO. WE'RE BACK INTO
ASSEMBLY. PUBLIC SAFETY FROM
RECESS WILL GO AHEAD AND WE'RE
GONNA PULL QUICKLY. THE ABSENT
MEMBERS SECRETARY. ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR COLONIES. I
ORTEGA SANTIAGO. ITEM NUMBER 3
83 80 BY SOME MEMBER ARAMBULA.
THIS MEASURE WAS UNCALLED
ELONIS. K¾T ITEM NUMBER THREE.
YES. ALL RIGHT. I. TO PHªN TÚI
SANTIAGO. SIBUR. THAT MEASURE
PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 5 85 05 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TEAM. THIS
MEASURE WAS ON CALL. CHINESE
SNOW BONTA I BRIAN BRIAN AYE.
SANTIAGO ZABAR. THAT MEASURE
REMAINS ON CALL.
80 13 80 BISON. REMEMBER BERMAN
JOHN SAWYER. NOT VOTING ON. SO
YOU'RE NOT VOTING ELONIS ELONIS?
AYE, SANTIAGO.
THAT WE YES, SO WE CAN GET ON A
B 15 51 BY SOME REMEMBER GIBSON
. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. THIS
MEASURE WAS FOR TESTIMONY ONLY.
IS THERE A MOTION SOMEONE.
SECOND OKAY? JOHN SAWYER. JOHN
SAWYER. I ELONIS NOT VOTING
BONTA. I WANT TO I, BRIAN ALL
RIGHT, BRIAN. I LACKEY I ORTEGA
SANTIAGO. ZIPPER THAT MEASURES
ON CALL. THAT ONE NEEDS ONE
MORE. IT'S ME ON ITEM. 21. MAYBE
15 84 BY MISS WEBBER. ELONIS
NEEDS TO KNOW BLACKIE BLACKIE.
NO SANTIAGO. ITEM 22. MAYBE 15
98 BY SEVEN MEMBER BERMAN. THIS
MEASURE WAS ON CALL JOHN SAWYER.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CALL? BY
JOHN SAWYER. I ALANIS ALANIS.
NO, BRIAN ALL RIGHT, BRIAN. I
LACKEY LATINO SANTIAGO. THAT
MEASURE NOW PASSES. ITEM 23 A B
17 OH, EIGHT BY SOME REMEMBER
ITSUKI. THIS MEASURE WAS ON CALL
LONNIE'S DENISE I BONTA TO KNOW
BRIAN. NO, BRIAN, NO. SANTIAGO.
ZUBER. THAT MEASURE FAILS. AND
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION. WE WILL
GRANT RECONSIDERATION BY
UNANIMOUS CONSENT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM 25 80
17 23 BY SOME REMEMBER WALDRON,
THIS MEASURE WAS ON CALL
COLONIES. ALRIGHT I BONTA AYE.
LACKEY LIKE LACKING, NOT VOTING,
SANTIAGO ZILBER. THAT MEASURE
NOW PASSES. GOOD. UH, MISS WICKS
ME NOW. OKAY? ITEM NUMBER 12 A B
12 52 WEEKS. GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT
THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY THIS
COMMITTEE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
WORK WITH OUR OFFICE. A B 12 52
CODIFIES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
OFFICE OF GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION AND STATUTE AND
ESTABLISHES A COMMISSION TO END
GUN VIOLENCE TASKED WITH ISSUING
A PUBLIC REPORT IDENTIFYING TOP
PRIORITIES TO IMPROVE THE
IMPLEMENTATION, COORDINATION AND
EFFECTIVENESS OF GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION, FOCUSED LAWS AND
PROGRAMS. CREATION OF A GUN
VIOLENCE, CREATION OF A
COMMISSION TO END GUN VIOLENCE
WILL FOSTER MORE COORDINATION.
AND PLANNING ACROSS DIFFERENT
STATE AND LOCAL AGENCIES TO HELP
CEMENT THE NEW OFFICES. CENTRAL
ROLE IN ADVISING AND SHAPING
POLICY MAKERS RESPONSE TO THIS
COMPLEX PROBLEM. THIS BILL HAS
NO OPPOSITION. I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN I VOTE. THANK YOU.
CAN WE GIVE? LET US PAUSE REAL
QUICKLY, SO IT'S BONTA CAN VOTE
ON. IT'LL BE 11 87 ITEMS. 11
QUIRK-SILVA. THEIR EMOTION. MY
APOLOGIES ON EVERY 11 87
QUIRK-SILVA. THE MOTION IS
PASSED TO THE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE. JOHN SAWYER. JOHN
SAWYER. I ALANIS IS NOT VOTING
BONTA. I BRIAN BRIAN, I LACKEY
LACKEY NOT VOTING. ORTEGA.
SANTIAGO. ZIPPER ZIPPER. I THAT
MEASURES ON COLIN NEEDS ONE
OTHER ANY WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
MS WICKS BILL A B 12 52. CNN ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? INTERESTING. MR
CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
FOR THE RECORD, DAN REED,
WESTERN REGIONAL DIRECTOR OF THE
NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. UM
WE'RE HERE IN OPPOSITION. TODAY.
WE JUST HAVE CONCERNS. UM AS
YOU'RE AWARE THE TAXPAYER
DOLLARS ALREADY GO TO FUND THESE
HEAT GUN VIOLENCE RESEARCH
CENTER, WHICH KIND OF GOES TO
THE HEART OF THESE ISSUES, AND
WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS
COULD BE UTILIZED AND WOULD
RATHER SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO
FORM THIS TO LOOK AT VIOLENCE
HOLISTICALLY RATHER THAN JUST
FOCUS ON THE FIREARMS HERE. UM
ALSO, WE'D RATHER SEE DOJ IS
RESOURCES BE DEDICATED TO
PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN EXISTENCE
THAT GOES AFTER VIOLENT CRIME.
LIKE THE APPS PROGRAM, WHETHER
BACKLOG IS NORTH OF 20,000. YOU
KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WE FEEL LIKE
THERE COULD BE SOME SOME
IMPROVEMENT THERE AND LET'S
FOCUS ON WHAT THEY NEED TO DO,
RATHER THAN CREATING ANOTHER
OFFICE, WHICH IN SOME RESPECTS
IS REDUNDANT OF THE èC GUN
VIOLENCE RESEARCH CENTER. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. YES SIR. MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, SAM PAREDES
WITH A GUN OWNERS, CALIFORNIA
AND ALSO WITH AUTHORIZED TO
REPRESENT THE NATIONAL SHOOTING
SPORTS FOUNDATION. UM MEMBERS.
THIS IS THE CREATION OF A
GOVERNMENT MARKETING ARM OF A
SEGMENT OF THE POLITICAL ARENA
AND THAT BEING THE, UM THOSE
PEOPLE WHO ARE ENTRENCHED IN THE
GUN CONTROL AREA. UM YOU KNOW
THE THOUGHT OF EVER HAVING THEM
COME TO US AS STAKEHOLDERS OR OR
PARTICIPANTS IN THE ARENA OR
EXPERTS IN IN OUR AREAS. UM
FIRST OF ALL, SINCE 1980 WHEN
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED. THAT HAS
NEVER HAPPENED, UH AND I DON'T
HAVE ANY EXPECTATION THAT THERE
WILL BE SERIES SEPARATE TO DO
THIS, SO I THINK THAT, UH, WE
BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE A VERY
STILTED UM PRODUCT PUT TOGETHER
BY THIS COMMISSION. SO FOR THOSE
REASONS AND OTHERS WE OPPOSE
THIS BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS IN
OPPOSITION? RICK TRAVIS,
CALIFORNIA RIFLE PISTOL
ASSOCIATION. WE STAND A POST
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION BRING
IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. WITH THE
BELT. I COULD CARE. COMMENT YES
, PLEASE, I HAVE I HAVE SOME
CONCERNS ABOUT THE AWESOME
QUESTIONS. UH ONE. I SEE THAT
THIS CREATES AN OFFICE WITHIN
DOJ. BUT HAS DOJ HAD ANY INPUT
ON THIS OR THEY OFFICE CURRENTLY
EXISTS. THIS WOULD PUT THE
OFFICE IN THE STATUTE. THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL ESTABLISHED THE
OFFICE LAST YEAR. SO THIS IS
ALREADY IN EFFECT, BUT IT WOULD
PUT IT IN A STATUTE. OKAY AND
THEN WHO'S ON THIS COMMISSION?
THAT WE'RE WE WILL FIGURE THAT
OUT WITH WORKING WITH THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, UM
AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS HOLDERS
TO ESTABLISH THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERNS ARE, AS
I CAN JUST ANYBODY RANDOMLY COME
OFF THE STREET, SO THEY WANT TO
BE PART OF THIS. UH PROBABLY NOT
RANDOM PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE
EXPERTS IN GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION MEASURES. UM,
OBVIOUSLY, WITH INPUT FROM THE A
G. OKAY SO MAYBE LIKE PEOPLE
THAT WERE IN THE OPPOSITION THAT
WERE HERE WOULD BE GOOD PEOPLE
TO HAVE THEIR OR I THINK THAT'S
ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WHERE THEY
TURN IT ON THE GENERAL'S OFFICE
. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE. THEY'VE
ESTABLISHED HIS OFFICE. THEY'VE
ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING A
DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE AND GET
IN THE OFFICE UP AND RUNNING,
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WITH
CONSULTATION OF HIM IN HIS
OFFICE, JUST LAST ONE I'M JUST
AND VERY RESPECTFUL. JUST I WAS
REALLY HOPING DOJ WAS GOING TO
BE HERE TO AT LEAST TALK TO US
ABOUT THIS. I WOULD HAVE FELT
LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE
STRENGTHENED THIS A LITTLE BIT
MORE. YEAH I MEAN THE BILLS A
WORK IN PROGRESS. THIS IS THE
FIRST YOU KNOW, POLICY COMMITTEE
HEARING. WE'RE HAVING THOSE
CONVERSATIONS AND ANTICIPATE
MORE PARTICIPATION. IT'S A
COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, AND WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
CREATING AN OFFICE. I MEAN, I'M
HAPPY TO GO INTO SOME OF THE,
UM, WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IN
TERMS OF CALVIN, THE VIOLENCE
INTERVENTION PREVENTION PROGRAM
THAT WE KNOW IS REALLY EFFECTIVE
IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, AND I
THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG
FOCUS OF THE OFFICE. BUT THE BIG
THING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS
ENSURING THAT AS WE PASSED. WE
PASSED A LOT OF LAWS HERE IN
CALIFORNIA THAT ARE GUN VIOLENCE
SAFETY MEASURES, MAKING SURE
THOSE ARE IMPLEMENTED CORRECTLY
, THAT THEIR EFFECTIVE THAT
THEY'RE USEFUL. UM THAT'S A PART
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. WHAT THE
COMMISSION SHOULD DO WITH THE
AIM OF ENDING GUN VIOLENCE IN
OUR COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, UM, A
FEDERAL APPARATUS TO ENSURE THAT
I E. WE DON'T HAVE COMPREHENSIVE
BACKGROUND CHECKS. SO WHAT CAN
WE DO AS A STATE TO ENSURE THAT
OUR COMMUNITIES ARE NOT BEING
KILLED ON THE STREETS,
PARTICULARLY BLACK AND BROWN
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE
DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY
THE ISSUE, SO THAT'S SOME OF THE
STUFF THAT I WANT HOPE TO SEE IN
TERMS OF THE COMMISSION WORKING
ON AND THE OFFICE WORKING ON
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS, MR BRYANT, JUST TO
CLARIFY THE CURRENT ATTORNEY
GENERAL HAS THIS OFFICE AND WHAT
YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS TO
ACTUALLY DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT
WAS SAID, BUT TO TAKE IT FROM
BEING POLITICIZED WHERE IT CAN
COME AND GO AT THE WILL OF AN
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND INSTEAD PUT
IT IN THE STATUTE SO THAT GUN
VIOLENCE PREVENTION BECOMES A
STATEWIDE PRIORITY OF
CALIFORNIA'S ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
OFFICE. INDEFINITELY. IS THAT
CORRECT? HAPPY TO VOTE. YES.
THANK YOU, MRS WEBBER. I MEAN, I
THINK THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC AND
VIOLENT AND PREVENTION AND GUN
SAFETY AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
I HEARD ABOUT MOST HEAR ABOUT
MOST IN THE COMMUNITY. I THINK
THE PUBLIC. BROADLY WANTS OUR
GOVERNMENT TO ADDRESS THE
SHOOTINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING
EVERY DAY AND SHOPPING CENTERS
AND SCHOOLS. I THINK THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IS THE
APPROPRIATE PLACE TO ACTUALLY
LOOK AT THIS ISSUE AND COME UP
WITH SYSTEMATIC, THOUGHTFUL
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE
COORDINATED. I THINK IT'S A
REALLY A GREAT BILL. I WOULD
LOVE TO BE A CO AUTHOR, IF YOU
UH, THAT'S WELCOME AND WILL BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL WOULD LOVE
TO HAVE YOU AS A CO AUTHOR.
THANK YOU AND WHAT ELSE? YOU MAY
CLOSE RESPECT. THEY ASK FOR MY
VOTE. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
TAKING THE AMENDMENTS AND
HOPEFULLY THIS PART ENTITLED 12.
0.3142. ONE SECTION C SUB
PARAGRAPH THREE. IT SAYS
BASICALLY THAT THIS PREVENTION
WILL INCLUDE BEST PRACTICE
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVING
IMPLEMENTATION AND COORDINATION
IN COURT. HMM. AW, ENFORCEMENT.
HEALTH CARE. AND CRIME VICTIMS
SYSTEM RESPONSES TO GUN VIOLENCE
SO HOPEFULLY THAT TAKES CARE OF
SOME OF THE CONCERNS. THAT, UM
EACH OF THE OPPONENTS HAVE WITH
WITH WITH THIS, UM THAT IT'S UP
TOWARD HOW DO WE MAKE
EVERYBODY'S SAFE. AND I WILL
ALSO LIKE TO BE A CO OPT, ER,
THANK YOU APPRECIATE IT. I'M
SORRY, BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE A
COUPLE OF SUPPORT. WE HAVE SOME
SUPPORT WITNESSES. HOLIDAYS WITH
THE OTHER THANK YOU. HI CLAIRE.
SUNSHINE CUT YOU OFF SHORT. I'M
SORRY. OKAY CLAIRE SUNSHINE OF
VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION AND A GUN VIOLENCE
SURVIVOR AND STRONGLY SUPPORT
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M
CHERYL DAVIS FROM FOLSOM AND
VOLUNTEER AT MOMS DEMAND ACTION
. WE ASKED FOR YOUR YES. VOTE ON
THIS IMPORTANT LEGISLATION.
THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND
IT'S COUGHING ABOUT. AND A B 12
52 BY A SEVEN MEMBER WICKS. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED
THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
JOAN SAWYER GENSLER, AYE, ELONIS
COLONIES, NOT VOTING BONTA.
BANTER I BRIAN, BRIAN, I LACKEY
LACKEY NOT VOTING. ORTEGA.
SANTIAGO. SUPER SUPER. I MET
JOHN PAUL NEEDS ONE MORE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU
FOR BEING PATIENT, MISS WALDRON.
ITEM. NUMBER NINE. A B 8 TO 9.
WHENEVER YOU'RE WRITING. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND COMMITTEE. A B
8 TO 9, SPONSORED BY SOCIAL
COMPASSION AND LEGISLATION AND
APTLY NAMED THE ANIMAL CRUELTY
AND VIOLENCE PROTECTION ACT
EXPANDS THE CURRENTLY REQUIRED
COUNSELING FOR THOSE CONVICTED
OF ANIMAL ABUSE, ALLOWING A
JUDGE TO ORDER A MENTAL HEALTH
EVALUATION IF NECESSARY.
ENFORCEMENT ANIMAL WELFARE
GROUPS AND MENTAL HEALTH
PROFESSIONALS HAVE LONG BEEN
CONCERNED THAT CURRENT PENALTIES
FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY CASES DO NOT
DO ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE ROOT
CAUSES OF VIOLENT CRIMES TOWARDS
ANIMALS, INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH
PROBLEMS. GIVEN THE CORRELATION
OR LINK BETWEEN ANIMAL ABUSE AND
VIOLENCE TOWARDS HUMANS. EARLY
MENTAL HEALTH INTERVENTION IS
KEY TO STOPPING THE PROGRESSION
AND ESCALATION OF VIOLENT
BEHAVIOR. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR
AMENDMENTS, WHICH ENSURE THAT
THE COST BURDEN OF THESE
TREATMENTS TO NOT FALL ON THE
DEFENDANT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THE OPPOSITION'S
CONCERNS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION TO
TRY TO REACH A SOLUTION. ALL
SIDES CAN AGREE ON WITH ME TODAY
TO TESTIFY IS NICK SACKETT FROM
SOCIAL COMPASSION IN LEGISLATION
AND REBECCA KATZ FROM THE ANIMAL
RESCUE FOUNDATION, SPEAKING FOR
MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND
ADVOCATES FROM ACROSS THE STATE.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS NICHOLAS
SOCKET. DIRECTOR OF LEGISLATIVE
AFFAIRS OF CROWDS. COAST UH,
PROUD SPONSORS SOCIAL COMPASSION
IN LEGISLATION. FIRST OFF, THANK
YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WALDRON
FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND
INTRODUCTION OF THIS BILL. THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE HUMAN
VIOLENCE AND ANIMAL ABUSE
REFERRED TO AS THE LINK IS THE
FINDING THAT THE TWO BEHAVIORS
ARE CORRELATED THEY CO OCCUR
SUCH THAT EACH IS A PARTICULAR
OF THE OTHER. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE
TRAIT THE PERPETRATORS OF BOTH
THE EVOLVING TEXAS IN BUFFALO,
NEW YORK, TRAGEDIES SHARE IN
COMMON WAS A PROPENSITY FOR
ANIMAL CRUELTY. BOTH DISTURBED
18 YEAR OLDS BRAGGED ABOUT AND
POST IT ONLINE CONTENT
DESCRIBING OR DEPICTING THEIR
ABUSE OF CATS AND OTHER ANIMALS.
RESEARCH HAS LONG IDENTIFIED
ANIMAL CRUELTY AS A STRONG
PREDICTOR OF SUBSEQUENT VIOLENCE
AGAINST PERSONS FINDING THAT
ANIMAL ABUSERS ARE AS MUCH AS
FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO HARM
HUMANS. THE CORRELATION IS
PARTICULARLY ROBUST IN REGARDS
TO FAMILY VIOLENCE. THIS LINK
HAS PROMPTED THERAPISTS AND
RESEARCHERS SUCH AS DR KENNETH
SHAPIRO AND DR LAUREN LINDNER TO
DEVELOP INSTRUMENTS THAT HELP
ASSESS ADULTS WHO ARE INVOLVED
IN ANIMAL ABUSE TO HELP THOSE
INDIVIDUALS FROM FURTHER ANIMAL
ABUSE OR HUMAN ABUSE. FOR
EXAMPLE, THERE'S THE ANTI CARE
APPROACH, WHICH IS A
PSYCHOTHERAPEUTIC INTERVENTION
THAT FOCUSES ON ESTABLISHMENT
ESTABLISHING ACCOUNTABILITY,
EXAMINING BELIEFS AND ATTITUDES
TOWARDS ANIMALS. AND DEVELOPING
NONVIOLENT PROBLEM SOLVING
TECHNIQUES, BEHAVIOR,
ACCOUNTABILITY, RESPONSIBILITY
AND KNOWLEDGE, OTHERWISE KNOWN
AS BARK IS A LESS INTENSIVE
PSYCHO EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM AND
THE BENCHMARK ANIMAL
REHABILITATIVE CURRICULUM IS AN
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM THAT HAS
BEEN DEVELOPED AND IS CURRENTLY
USED IN CALIFORNIA. THESE ARE
JUST A FEW OF THE TOOLS THAT
JUDGES MAY POINT TO WHEN
ORDERING TREATMENT UNDER THIS
BILL. THIS BILL IS NOT MEANT TO
BE PUNITIVE. THE AIM OF THIS
BILL IS TO GET COUNSELING FOR
THOSE WHO NEED IT. TO PREVENT
FUTURE HARM TO AGAIN BOTH
ANIMALS AND HUMANS. AND WITH
THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS REBECCA CATS
. I HAVE OVER 20 YEARS OF
PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE AND
LEADERSHIP IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND
ANIMAL WELFARE. I SPENT NINE
YEARS AS A DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY
IN SAN FRANCISCO, WORKING WITH
PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES,
PRIMARILY THE SAN FRANCISCO
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WHERE WE
HAD TREATMENT PROGRAMS BOTH IN
CUSTODY AND DIVERSIONARY. THEN I
SPENT SIX YEARS LEADING SAN
FRANCISCO ANIMAL CARING CONTROL
, FOLLOWED BY 5.5 YEARS AT
OAKLAND ANIMAL SERVICES, AND I
AM CURRENTLY WITH THE ANIMAL
RESCUE FOUNDATION IN WALNUT
CREEK. OVER THE MANY YEARS THAT
I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THESE
INDUSTRIES. I'VE SEEN CASE AFTER
CASE AFTER CASE THAT
DEMONSTRATED THE LINK BETWEEN
ANIMAL CRUELTY AND HUMAN
VIOLENCE, PARTICULARLY AS NICK
NOTED, AND THAT DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE SITUATIONS SIMPLY PUT
PEOPLE WHO LACK SENSITIVITY TO
THE SUFFERING OF OTHERS COMMIT
ACTS OF VIOLENCE. OFTEN TIMES IT
STARTS WITH ANIMALS AND
ESCALATES. NICK MENTIONED OF ALL
DAY AND BUFFALO, BUT THERE WAS
THE CASCADE MALL SHOOTINGS LEFT
FIVE DEAD PARKLAND, FLORIDA LEFT
17 DEAD. COLUMBINE LEFT 15 DEAD
, SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY LEFT 28
DEAD. AND WHAT IS ALL THOSE HAVE
IN COMMON IS THAT THE SHOOTERS
HAD A HISTORY OF ANIMAL CRUELTY.
WE SPEND MILLIONS ON THE PRISON
INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, NOT TO
MENTION THE INCREDIBLE COST TO
OUR SOCIETY TO THE VICTIMS TO
THE SURVIVORS. AND OTHERS
IMPACTED BY THIS VIOLENCE, AND
THIS BILL IS MERELY A TOOL THAT
GIVES JUDGE AND THE OPPORTUNITY
TO STOP FUTURE ACTS OF VIOLENCE
AND SUFFERING. UM THIS
INSTRUMENT IS NOT A MANDATE, AND
THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO GIVE
THEM THIS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
USE IT THERAPEUTIC PROGRAMS SUCH
AS THOSE THAT I MENTIONED IN SAN
FRANCISCO WORKED, AND THEY
REDUCED RECIDIVISM, BOTH IN
CUSTODY AND OUT, AND THEY
PREVENTED FUTURE BAD ACTS.
INTERVENTION IS KEY TO SAVING
LIVES, AND THIS IS COMMON SENSE
LEGISLATION. IT'S NOT
CONTROVERSIAL. IT'S NOT LIKE GUN
CONTROL LAWS. IT'S AN EASY IT'S
AN EASY INSTRUMENT TO GIVE
JUDGES TO USE, AND I URGE YOU TO
RATIFY THIS BILL. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR THE ANY OTHERS AND
SUPPORT SEE NONE. ANY
OPPOSITION?
GOOD AFTERNOON MARK OUT GEORGE
FOR THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION, AND
SEPARATELY FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO
PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE. THE
SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S
OFFICE OPPOSES THE BILL. UM, I'M
NOT ABLE TO SAY, UM, EXACTLY. UM
WHAT THEIR STANCES AT THIS POINT
OTHER THAN THAT THEY OPPOSE IT
FOR THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
DEFENDERS ASSOCIATION. HOWEVER
UM, I WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR
AND A MISS KATZ, WHO WE SPOKE
SEPARATELY IN THE HALL ON THE
BREAK. AND THE COMMITTEE FOR THE
AMENDMENTS REALLY APPRECIATE
THAT THAT ANSWERED MANY OF OUR
PROBLEMS WITH THE BILL. WHAT
REMAINS, HOWEVER, IS THE
REQUIREMENT. UM THAT AN
INDIVIDUAL MAY BE ORDERED TO DO
COUNSELING. AND HAVE A MENTAL
HEALTH EVALUATION, WHICH IS NOT
GOING TO BE CONFIDENTIAL FOR ALL
PURPOSES. AND IN CALIFORNIA.
THERE IS A VERY STRONG PRIVACY
INTEREST IN YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS
AND MENTAL HEALTH RECORDS HAVE A
HEIGHTENED, UM UM, LAYER OF
PROTECTION. THE PROBLEM HERE IS
I THINK THAT AND I THINK THE
PROPONENTS WOULD AGREE THAT
USUALLY, UM AN INDIVIDUAL. WHO
UM. ABUSES AN ANIMAL AND I THINK
WE PROBABLY ALL LOVE ANIMALS,
EVEN IF WE HAD OUR ALLERGIC AND
HAVE HAY FEVER, BUT THAT THEY
WILL BE DIAGNOSED WITH A CONDUCT
DISORDER AT A MINIMUM. AND
CONDUCT DISORDER NOW IS THOUGHT
TO BE UM. PRIMARILY A PRODUCT OF
EITHER POST TRAUMATIC STRESS
DISORDER OR CUMULATIVE TRAUMA
AND THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF
HEALTH HAS DONE STUDIES OF
MILITARY VETERANS AND CIVILIANS
AND THAT REVEAL THAT POST
TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER IS
HIGHLY CO MORBID WITH BOTH
CONDUCT DISORDER AND MAJOR
DEPRESSION THAN MEN. AND THAT,
UM. PREEXISTING CONDUCT DISORDER
INCREASES THE RISK. Tð EXPOSURE
TO EVEN MORE TRAUMATIC EVENTS,
AND SIMILAR RESULTS HAVE BEEN
FOUND BY RESEARCHERS AT HARVARD
WITH CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS
WHO ARE EXPOSED TO TRAUMATIC
EVENTS. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS
THAT I DO NOT DISAGREE. WE DO
NOT DISAGREE THAT THIS IS A
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. BUT THE
PROBLEM IS THAT WE DO NOT WANT
PEOPLE TO BE STIGMATIZED. BY THE
THEIR MENTAL HELP RECORDS, THEN
BECOMING AVAILABLE TO BE USED
AGAINST THEM LATER IN A CRIMINAL
TRIAL. AND THAT THEN IT WOULD
COULD BE USED POTENTIALLY, UM,
AND SENTENCING. IT COULD BE USED
IN A DEATH PENALTY CASE. IT
COULD BE USED AT PAROLE. IT
COULD BE USED IN ANY NUMBER OF
WAYS. TO UM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE
AVAILABLE FOR CRIMINAL MATTERS.
AND IT ALSO UNDERCUTS THE
PURPOSE OF HAVING SOMEBODY GO TO
COUNSELING IF YOUR RECORDS ARE
NOT CONFIDENTIAL, AND YOU DO NOT
HAVE CONFIDENTIALITY WITH YOUR
THERAPIST, THEN IT'S HIGHLY
UNLIKELY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
DISCLOSE UM WHAT'S ACTUALLY
GOING ON WITH YOU. SO FOR THESE
REASONS, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE
WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR. BUT AT
THIS POINT WE RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED AND ASKED
FOR YOUR NO VOTE. THANK YOU. OR
ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. JOSHUA TODAY WITH
THE CALIFORNIA ATTORNEYS FOR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE IN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER WITNESSES.
OPPOSITION WILL BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE FOR ANY COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS. SENATOR MEMBER, SO
THE ONLY REASON YOU HAVE IS THE
CONFIDENTIALITY REASON IS THAT
CORRECT? MISS GEORGE, IS THAT
OUR ONLY OBJECTIVE? YES YES. AT
THIS POINT WITH THE BILL, THAT
IS OUR OBJECTION BECAUSE THE
COUNSELING IS NOT MANDATORY. UH
UM, THE. DEFENDANT AND MY
CLIENTS WERE INDIGENT WOULD NOT
HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. WHICH WOULD
MAKE THEM AUTOMATICALLY FAIL. SO
I DON'T THINK THAT COUNSELING IS
A BAD THING. IT'S JUST THAT IT
NEEDS TO BE CONFIDENTIAL. AND
WITH WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR'S
OFFICE, AS IS THERE ANYTHING
THAT CAN MAKE THAT POSSIBLE OR
THE AUTHOR? UM WELL, WE JUST GOT
THE OPPOSITION LETTER ON FRIDAY
. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK
WITH THE OPPOSITION TO LOOK AT
THAT ISSUE. I KNOW WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT IT. IF YOU HAD ANY
COMMENTS, YOU WANTED TO MAKE AN
YEAH, I THINK IN THEORY, UH, YOU
KNOW, WE ARE WE UNDERSTAND WHY
SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO HAVE
CONFIDENTIALITY GOING INTO
THERAPY. AH SO WE ARE ABSOLUTELY
ON BOARD WITH DISCUSSING FURTHER
AND TAKING IT TO THE COMMITTEE
CONSULTANTS TO DISCUSS HOW HOW
IT CAN POSSIBLY BE DONE. THANK
YOU. AND I THINK JUST JUST I
MEAN, EVEN WITH THE
CONFIDENTIALITY WITHOUT IT
OUTWEIGHS THE POTENTIAL RISK
THAT THE POINTS THAT YOU MADE
ABOUT ALL THE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS
THAT WE HAD, HOW THEY HAD ALL
ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR IF WE CAN
PREVENT ANOTHER SCHOOL SHOOTING
FOR PUBLIC SAFETY REASONS, I
THINK THAT ALONE WOULD BE GREAT
. AND MAYBE THIS PERSON DOES
NEED THE HELP. THEY NEED TO GET.
CONFIDENTIAL OR NOT, AND THE
POINT THAT YOU ALSO BROUGHT UP
WITH THE PUBLIC WERE WITH THE
PAROLE HEARINGS AND STUFF THERE.
AT THAT POINT, THEN THERE'S
SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON THERE,
SO I'M HOPING THEY WOULD GET
HELP. EARLY ON. WE'RE WE'RE
ABOUT EARLY INTERVENTION. AND I
THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
HITS IT RIGHT ON THE SUPPORTING
THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT
WILL BE A MOTION. SECOND MR
BRYANT. I THINK THE CONCERNS OF
THE OPPOSITION, UM ARE ACTUALLY
VALID RIGHT WHEN WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT CONFIDENTIALITY AND
COUNSELING, RESTORATIVE JUSTICE
, THINGS THAT MAY BE USED
AGAINST YOU WHEN YOU'RE FULL
PARTICIPATION IS ACTUALLY WHAT
MAKES THEM WORK. UM BUT I TRUST
THE AUTHOR TO WORK THROUGH THESE
THINGS, AND I KNOW WHAT IT'S
LIKE TO GET OPPOSITION LETTERS
ON FRIDAY BEFORE YOU HAVE TO
PRESENT ON TUESDAY. THE BILLS
YOU BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMITTEE
TODAY. I THINK BY AND LARGE ARE
VERY, VERY GOOD. AND I DON'T
THINK THERE'S ANY REASON YOU
SHOULD BE HELD UP FROM
CONTINUING TO GROW AND DO THIS
WORK. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU
MAY CLOSE. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
AND COMMITTEE. UM WE'RE
COMMITTED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON
THE ISSUE. AND UH, URGE YOUR I
VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU. RECOMMEND
THE I CROSSED THE BOAT. AND
MAYBE 8 29 BY SOME REMEMBER
WALDRON. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
TO THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
. JOHN SAWYER. CHEN SAWYER I
ELONIS BONTA. BRIAN BRIAN. I
LACKEY LUCKY I ORTEGA SANTIAGO.
SUBIR MEASURES ON CALL. WE NEED
ONE MORE. THANK YOU. MISTER
VALENCIA. UH I DON'T NUMBER 17 A
B 14 83 FIREARM PURCHASES.
WONDERFUL. I WANT TO START THIS
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I WANT TO
START BY THANKING THE COMMITTEE
FOR THEIR DILIGENT WORK ON A B
14 83. IT'S VERY MUCH
APPRECIATED. ADDITIONALLY I'D
LIKE TO THANK OUR TEAMS. LET'S
SAVE DIRECTOR WHO IS HERE WITH
US TODAY AND MISS NATALIE THERON
FOR TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS BILL
AS WELL. A B 14 83 BRINGS PARITY
TO AN EXISTING LAW BY CLOSING A
GAP THAT ALLOWS BOOK FIREARM
PURCHASES. TO BE MADE THROUGH
PRIVATE PARTY TRANSACTIONS.
SPECIFICALLY MAYBE 14 83 WILL
CAP THE AMOUNT OF FIREARMS THAT
AN INDIVIDUAL MAY PURCHASE TO
ONE PER 30 DAYS. THE SAME
RESTRICTIONS THAT ALREADY APPLY
FOR PURCHASES MADE FROM LICENSED
RETAILERS. TOO MANY CALIFORNIANS
SUFFER FROM GUN VIOLENCE,
STATISTICS AND STATISTICS
PRODUCED BY THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INDICATE
JUST THAT. SOMEONE IS KILLED
WITH A GUN IN OUR STATE EVERY
THREE HOURS AT THE STATE. WE
MUST CLOSE GAPS IN EXISTING LAW
THAT MAY PERPETUATE GUN VIOLENCE
TO OTHER STATES HAVE ALREADY
DONE WHAT A B 14 83 AND TENDS TO
DO. NEW JERSEY AND MARYLAND
PLACE SIMILAR LIMITATIONS ON
ACQUIRING MORE THAN ONE HANDGUN
PER 38 30 DAY PERIOD. HOWEVER
UNLIKE CALIFORNIA, D STATES DO
NOT ACCEPT FIREARM PURCHASES
FROM PRIVATE PARTY SELLERS FROM
THE 30 DAY WAITING, PERIOD. MR
CHAIR, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ARE. THE
COMMITTEE MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AH! OKAY THANK YOU
ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
. CLAIRE SUNSHINE, OG AND
VIOLENCE, SURVIVOR AND MONTHS
DEMAND ACTION, VOLUNTEER AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ON I O
COMEDIANS WITH LOS ANGELES
UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT AND
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.
CHERYL DAVIS FROM FOLSOM. I'M A
VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION, AND WE ASK YOUR SUPPORT
FOR THIS BILL. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, JESSICA HEY, WITH THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION.
MR CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE FOR THE RECORD, DAN
REED, WESTERN REGIONAL DIRECTOR
WITH THE NATIONAL RIFLE
ASSOCIATION, ALSO HERE FOR
NATIONAL SHOOTING, SPORTS
FOUNDATION AND GUN OWNERS OF
CALIFORNIA TODAY. ALL IN
OPPOSITION. HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER
BILL THAT'S PLACING MORE
RESTRICTIONS ON LAW ABIDING
CITIZENS. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT
ARE GOING THROUGH THE LAWFUL
MEANS TO ACQUIRE A FIREARM BY
UNDERGOING A BACKGROUND CHECK
HAVING A FIREARM SAFETY
CERTIFICATE AND WAITING THE 10
DAY WAITING PERIOD. UM WE'VE
SEEN BILLS LIKE THIS OVER THE
YEARS THAT CONTINUE TO RATION
LAWFUL FIREARM SALES TO LAW
ABIDING PERSONS. WE'VE HAD THE
ONE GUN ONE HANDGUN HIM ON
THROUGH A DEALER FOR QUITE SOME
TIME IN CALIFORNIA. THIS HAS
BEEN EXTENDED TO LONG GUNS, AND
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE
CONTINUALLY BROUGHT UP IS
SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A
STATES OR INHERITANCE WHERE YOU
NEED TO. UM RECEIVE A LARGER
COLLECTION OR YOU WANT TO GO.
YOUR, UM YOU'RE GETTING AN
OPPORTUNITY TO FIRE BY FIREARMS,
JUST TO IN THIS INSTANCE, RIGHT?
UM AND WHAT WE WERE TOLD DURING
THOSE COMMITTEE HEARINGS AS
WELL. THE PRIVATE PARTY TRANSFER
THAT'S AN AVENUE FOR PEOPLE.
MAYBE YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER
AS DEMENTIA WHO HAD A COLLECTION
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SELL. MAYBE
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELL
TO SOMEONE OR YOU HAVE A FAMILY
MEMBER THAT DOESN'T MEET AN
EXEMPTION. AND SO THIS WAS AN
AVENUE TO DO THAT AGAIN. WE'RE
GOING THROUGH LAWFUL CHANNELS.
AND NOW THEY'RE LOOKING TO CLOSE
THAT I UNDERSTAND STRAW
PURCHASERS AND OTHER TYPES OF
TRAFFICKING. AND THERE ARE LAWS
THAT GO OUT THAT THIS IS JUST
AGAIN AT THE HEART OF LAW
ABIDING PEOPLE, OR, UM, FOR
INSTANCE, IS PERSONALLY WHEN
I'VE GONE TO BUY A FIREARM. IT'S
EXPENSIVE, RIGHT YOU'RE GOING
THROUGH. IT'S A WHOLE PROCESS
WHERE WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO A
BASS PRO OR ANY LOCAL SHOP,
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT. YOU FILL OUT A
LOT OF PAPERWORK AND YOU'RE
PAYING $37 PLUS FOR BACKGROUND
CHECK AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR
10 DAYS AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK.
A LOT OF TIMES, PEOPLE WILL
GROUP THEM OR THEY FOUND ANOTHER
SELLER. BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE
PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THESE
LAWFUL CHANNELS. AND UM, WE'RE
JUST CREATING AVENUES THAT ARE
CREATING PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE WHO
ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT
THING, AND THEY BIG ISSUES FOR
THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THE
INHERITANCE IN THE COLLECTIONS,
AND SO I SEE. THIS IS
PROBLEMATIC. I DON'T SEE THE
PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFIT FOR THAT
WERE IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. BIG TRAVIS,
CALIFORNIA RIFLE PISTOL
ASSOCIATION, MR CHAIR COMMITTEE
FOR MANY OTHER REASONS, TOO, AND
JUST SAID THAT I WANT TO FOCUS
ON TWO OF THEM. THERE ARE MANY
PEOPLE IN OUR SOCIETY THEY HAVE
CHOSEN AT VARIOUS TIMES AS TIMES
HAS CHANGED TO COLLECT FIREARMS
AS PART OF A HEDGE IN THE
ECONOMY WHERE IT MIGHT BE OR
MIGHT NOT BE AS RETIREMENT. TO
NOW GO TO MOVE. THOSE COULD
CAUSE A FIREARMS DEALER TO HAVE
TO HOLD A 60 GUN COLLECTION,
WHICH I JUST WORKED WITH.
BROUGHT TO FIVE YEARS AT THE ONE
TIME A MONTH, WHICH MEANS THOSE
ARE PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT LIKE ANY
OTHER TRANSACTION THAT THEY
WOULD BE ABLE TO SELL IT AND
MOVE AND BE ABLE TO GET THE
MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO
DO. FOR MAYBE MEDICAL REASONS
ARE THE REASONS THEY'RE NOT
GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT ALSO IN
THE CASES OF AREAS WHERE THERE
IS SOMEBODY THAT HAS DEMENTIA,
WHERE WE LISTENED TO MANY BILLS
THIS MORNING BEING TALKED ABOUT
TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR
THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO THE RIGHT
THING AND AGAIN IF THE PEOPLE
WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE IT
RECURRENTLY FIREARMS JURORS
CAN'T HOLD FIREARMS DOT LONG AND
THE BIGGER COLLECTION. AND SO
NOW THOSE FIREARMS ARE STAY IN
AN AREA WHERE PROBABLY MOST
PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WOULD AGREE.
THEY SHOULDN'T BE. AND SO I SEE
THIS BILL BY REMOVING THE PPT
SECTION OF IT, WHICH IN PREVIOUS
YEARS ON PREVIOUS BILLS THAT WAS
KEPT THERE JUST TO AVOID THIS
VERY PROBLEM, AND SO I WAS
CAUSING MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT'S
SOLVING. THAT WE OPPOSE. THANK
YOU ANY OF THIS, UH IN
OPPOSITION. WHERE ELSE IN THE
OPPOSITION. WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS. QUESTION
TURNED. MR VICE CHAIR. SO I HAD
THE SAME CONCERNS WHEN I READ
THIS BILL. ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF
THE AUTHOR WANTS TO COMMENT ON
THIS REAL QUICK. I DO. THANK YOU
AND I APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS
AND THERE WILL NOTED, I'M HAPPY
TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT ADDRESSING THAT WERE ALSO
ADDRESSING SOME OTHER CONCERNS
THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS ALSO
HIGHLIGHTED THROUGH AMENDMENTS.
I BELIEVE IF A COURT DEEMS
SOMEBODY NOT ABLE TO, UH OWN A
FIREARM AND THEY HAVE A
COLLECTION OF VENEZUELA OR
TRYING TO INHERIT THEM TO
SOMEBODY. WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY
TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND
FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN BEST MOVE
THOSE FARMS FORWARD. THANK YOU.
I JUST AND BY THE LINE OF WORK
FIRE, RETIRED, UH YOU KNOW, YOU
CAN'T PREDICT WHEN YOU'RE GONNA
DIE, AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE
HAVE COLLECTIONS OF THAT HAVE
BEEN IN THEIR FAMILIES FOR A
LONG TIME. AND I JUST WHEN I WAS
READING THIS, I WAS JUST SAYING
THAT THAT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN, BUT
THANK YOU FOR WANTING TO WORK
WITH THEM AND BEING PART OF
THAT, SO NO OTHER QUESTIONS?
SURE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?
NOPE. ALRIGHT, YOU MAKE CLOTHES.
ASK FOR MY VOTE, AND I
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.
AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH
THE OPPOSITION ON THIS. UM IT'S
SOME LIKE, UM YOU MAY BE ABLE TO
COME TO SOME AGREEMENT. I AM
HOPEFUL. OPTIMISTIC. AND SO
RECOMMENDING I VOTE. IS THERE A
MOTION? MOVE THE BILL SECOND.
MAYBE 14 83 BY SEVEN MEMBER
VALENCIA. THE MOTION IS TO PASS
AS A MANAGER OF THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. JOHN
SAWYER, CHANCELLOR I ELONIS. I
DON'T NEED TO ABSTAIN. BANTA.
BRIAN BRIAN, I LAKI. LUCKY. NO
ORTEGA. SANTIAGO. ZIPPER.
MEASURES ON CALL. THANK YOU. UM
. NEXT. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, MR
MCCARTY. YEAH I BELIEVE HE'S
TRYING TO GET ONE OF THE MEMBERS
TO PRESENT IT IS OKAY. MAYBE I
CAN GO NOW. GIVE YOU SOME TIME.
OKAY WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 18.
MAYBE 14 86. BY JOAN SAWYER.
HE SAYS. GOOD MORNING, BUT IT'S
AFTERNOON, SO GOOD AFTERNOON, MR
CHAIR MEMBERS. I PRESENT A B 14
86, WHICH WILL ENSURE THAT LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES COMPLY WITH
EXISTING REPORTING REQUIREMENTS
AND TRANSPARENCY LAWS WHEN
PURCHASING ASSAULT WEAPONS IN
2021, THE LEGISLATURE PASSED A B
481, WHICH ESTABLISHED SPECIFIC
PROCEDURES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES TO FOLLOW WHEN
ACQUIRING AND USING MILITARY
EQUIPMENT. THAT BUILDING OUT IN
STATUTE REQUIRES LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES TO SUBMIT AND EQUIPMENT
USED POLICY TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT
FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO ACQUIRING
AND USING MILITARY EQUIPMENT.
CURRENT LAW CLASSIFIES
SPECIALIZED FIREARMS AND ASSAULT
, WEAPONS AND MILITARY EQUIPMENT
, BUT MAKES AN EXTENSION FOR
STANDARD ISSUE SERVICE WEAPONS.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NO
DEFINITION FOR STANDARD ISSUE
SERVICE WEAPONS. THIS LACK OF
CLARITY ALLOWS LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES TO ACQUIRE WEAPONS
INTENDED TO FALL UNDER THE
REQUIREMENTS OF A B 41 WITHOUT
REPORTING THEM. AND WITHOUT
RECEIVING PROPER APPROVAL FOR
THEIR YOUTH, GIVEN THE SERIOUS
HARM THAT HAS BEEN CAUSED
THROUGH THE USE OF MILITARY
EQUIPMENT, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT
THE LEGISLATURE CLARIFY WHAT
KINDS OF WEAPONS CAN BE
CONSIDERED STANDARD ISSUE AND
PUT IN THE HANDS OF EVERY LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER BY DEFINING
STANDARD ISSUE SERVICE WEAPONS.
A B 14 86 WILL PRESERVE THE
INTENT OF 84 81 AND IMPROVE LAW
ENFORCEMENT, ACCOUNTABILITY,
TRANSPARENCY AND COMPLIANCE WITH
EXISTING LAW. OKAY? WITH ME IS
JENNIFER TO ON BEHALF OF THE
AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE
COMMITTEE OR RESPECTFULLY ASKED
FOR YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE TODAY.
MY NAME IS JENNIFER, TWO OF
AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE
COMMITTEE, OR KFC. IN 2021. THE
LEGISLATURE PASSED A BEFORE IT
WANTS TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY,
TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
FOR MILITARY EQUIPMENT USED BY
LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH INCLUDES
A RANGE OF GEAR. A B 41 REQUIRES
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. L E. A
S TO SUBMIT A MILITARY EQUIPMENT
USE POLICY TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT
BODIES FOR APPROVAL TO ACQUIRE
OR USE MILITARY EQUIPMENT.
GOVERNING BODIES DETERMINE IF
THAT MILITARY EQUIPMENT NEEDS
SPECIFIED STANDARDS AND MUST
ANNUALLY REVIEWED THE YOUTH
POLICY. FSC HAS WORKED WITH CITY
COUNCILS, COUNTY SUPERVISORS L E
A S ADVOCATES, IMPACTED
COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND POLICE
OVERSIGHT BODIES AND DOZENS OF
JURISDICTIONS REGARDING THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF A B 481. WE
TRACK A B 481 USE POLICIES AND
ANNUAL USE REPORTS. THANKS TO
THESE YOUTH POLICIES AND USE
REPORTS, THE PUBLIC HAS A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH
MILITARY EQUIPMENT IS DEPLOYED
AND USED IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE EXPLICITLY
INCLUDED IN A B FOR IT ONCE LIST
OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT TO BE
REGULATED, BUT THERE IS AN
EXCEPTION FOR STANDARD ISSUES
SERVICE WEAPONS. THERE IS NO
DEFINITION FOR STANDARD ISSUE
SERVICE WEAPON. THIS LACK OF
CLARITY CREATES THE POSSIBILITY
FOR L E. A S TO ACQUIRE AND USE
WEAPONS INTENDED TO BE COVERED
BY A B 481 WITHOUT CREATING
POLICIES, FURTHER DEPLOYMENT OR
REPORTING ON THEIR USES. ASSAULT
RIFLES ARE AMONG THE MOST
INTIMIDATING TYPES OF EQUIPMENT
DEPLOYED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
MULTIPLE YOUTH THAT FSC WORKS
WITH WERE TRAUMATIZED BY THE
DEPLOYMENT OF ASSAULT RIFLES IN
THEIR HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN TOO MANY COMMUNITIES. THESE
DEADLY WEAPONS REMAIN IN THE
DARK AND OUTSIDE CIVILIAN INPUT.
A B 14 86 WILL HELP CLARIFY HOW
ILIAS MAY REMAIN COMPLIANT,
ACCOUNTABLE AND TRANSPARENT FOR
ALL INTENDED MILITARY EQUIPMENT.
WE ARE GRATEFUL TO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S JOAN SAWYER FOR
AUTHORING A B 14 86 AND
RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR YES VOTE.
THANK YOU ANY OTHERS IN SUPPORT?
DIANE ROSENBLOOM, REPRESENTING
AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL HUMAN
RIGHTS SACRAMENTO GROUP. I ALSO
BRING MESSAGE OF SUPPORT FROM
CODE PINK SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA
COMMUNITIES UNITED FOR
RESTORATIVE YOUTH JUSTICE.
FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
OF CALIFORNIA. INDIVISIBLE SAN
FRANCISCO INDIVISIBLE LIVERMORE.
MILL VALLEY FORCE FOR RACIAL
EQUITY AND EMPOWERMENT. SECURE
JUSTICE. SOUTH BAY PEOPLE POWER
NATIONAL LAWYERS GUILD, SAN
FRANCISCO BAY AREA PUBLIC
DEFENDER'S OFFICE OF SAN
FRANCISCO. I URGE A VOTE IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN OPPOSITION. HEARING
NONE. COMMITTEE COMMENTS,
QUESTIONS MOVE THE BILL. GOT TO
MOVE THE BALL, RIGHT? MR LOCKIE.
YEAH, I'M JUST. I HAVE TO SAY
THIS THAT, UM THERE COMES A TIME
WHEN I THINK WE NEED TO BUILD
TRUST BACK IN LINE FORCE MINT,
NOT ERODE IT. AND I THINK IT'S
UM IT'S INSULTING. TO TAKE THE
LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THIS DAY AND
AGE. WOULD PURSUE A WEAPON THAT
WASN'T THEIR BENEFIT AND
ENHANCING PUBLIC SAFETY. UM. I
FIND THIS TO BE REALLY, REALLY
HURTFUL TRUTHFULLY. UM
ENFORCEMENT HAS A HARD JOB. THEY
HAVE A HARD JOB AND I THINK THAT
THEY'RE DOING THEIR LEVEL BEST,
AND WE HAVE LEGISLATION THAT
NOW. REQUIRES A MOTHER. MAY I? I
JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S HELPFUL
. I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S
WARRANTED AND I'M SORRY. IT'S
COME TO THIS POINT BECAUSE I
THINK THIS IS GOING TO PASS.
THANK YOU. TRAGIC YEAH. I JUST
WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. UM, OUR
COMMUNITIES ARE NOT WAR ZONES.
AND THE IDEA OF HAVING SURPLUS
MILITARY EQUIPMENT ROAMING SMALL
COMMUNITIES. I REPRESENT THE
CITY OF COVER CITY 30,000 PEOPLE
, AND THEY HAD WHAT WAS AKIN TO
ARMORED TANKS ROLLING AROUND
RIGHT AND SURPLUS. UM EQUIPMENT
. THERE'S A LOT WE'VE GOT TO DO
IN THIS SPACE, BUT WHAT YOU'RE
DOING IS A REALLY SENSIBLE,
MEASURED APPROACH WITH THIS
BILL. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A MOTION
REFER BACK TO THE CHAIR. THANK
YOU. ACTUALLY I HAVE JUST SOME
QUESTIONS FOR THE WITNESS. YOU
SAID ELIA'S THAT YOU GUYS ARE
WORKING WITH. CAN YOU NAME SOME
OF THEM THAT YOU GUYS ARE
WORKING WITH FOR THIS? SURE
THERE ARE A COUPLE ONE IS, UH,
THE RICHMOND POLICE. UH WHICH WE
FINISHED WORKING WITH OAKLAND
POLICE, WHICH WE ARE STILL IN
THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH AND
HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING WITH
SINCE JUNE OF LAST YEAR. AND THE
SAN FRANCISCO COUNTY SHERIFF'S
OFFICE, WHICH WE ARE STILL IN
PROCESS WITH, BUT WRAPPING UP
OKAY? AND FOR THE AUTHOR. I'M
SORRY, APOLOGIZE. I HAVEN'T READ
ALL INTO THIS, UH UH, AS MR
BRIAN HAD BROUGHT UP THE SURPLUS
IS THIS JUST THE MILITARY
SURPLUS BECAUSE I KNOW FROM MY
DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD GET THE
SURPLUS ON THAT PART IS THIS
JUST SURPLUS MILITARY SURPLUS
PROGRAM AND THIS IS REALLY ABOUT
LETTING THE LEGISLATIVE BODY
KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN
ACCOUNTABILITY AND NOT TO BE
ABLE TO BUY SOMETHING. AND, UM I
DID CATEGORIZE IT AS NON
MILITARY AND THEN USE IT. THIS
AFFORDS, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT
OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW WHAT THEY'RE
BUYING TO THE LEGISLATIVE BODY,
JUST LIKE US. AND IF THEY WERE
TO APPROVE IT, OR IF THEY WOULD
FEEL THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE BY
MAKING, MAKING WHATEVER
STATEMENT THEY NEED TO MAKE TO
SAY THAT THIS IS THE MOST
APPROPRIATE THAT THEY NEED. IN
THIS SITUATION IN THIS
MUNICIPALITY. THEY HAVE THAT
OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. IT'S
REALLY ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND
MAKING SURE WHATEVER IS BEING
USED, UM IN A LOT OF WAYS. UM,
EVERYBODY'S IT KNOWS WHAT'S
GOING ON. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY
WHAT IT REALLY IS ABOUT. AND
HAVE SOME INPUT INTO INTO THE
PROCESS. THANK YOU. I JUST I
KNOW, I KNOW, SOMETIMES WITH MY
DEPARTMENT. WE GOT SOME MILITARY
SURPLUS BECAUSE EITHER WE
COULDN'T AFFORD THE ARMORED
VEHICLE TO GET OUR SWAT TEAMS
SAFELY TO A BUILDING OR MAYBE
SAFELY EXTRACT SOME, UH, EITHER
A VICTIM OR ANOTHER OFFICER FROM
AN AREA AND I KNOW THAT IN THOSE
WAYS IT DID HELP. I'M JUST, UH
I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE
EXPECTATION NOW ON THE CITY
OFFICIALS OR THE BORDER
SUPERVISORS NOW I THINK I
BELIEVE APPROVING IT. AND I KNOW
LIKE BACK IN 97 REMEMBER THE
HOLLYWOOD SHOOTING? THAT'S WHEN
WE ENFORCEMENT WAS VERY UNDER
GUNNED AND HAD TO GO OUT TO GUN
SHOPS TO GO GET GUNS BECAUSE
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE A R S AS WE
SEE TODAY, AND I REMEMBER BEING
A PIVOTAL THING WHEN I WAS AT
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHEN WE
STARTED TO REACH OUT TO THAT. SO
I MEAN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER
COMMENTS PLEASE CLOSE AND THE
PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO LET
EVERYBODY KNOW AHEAD OF TIME
WHAT THEY WILL NEED, ESPECIALLY
IN THOSE TYPES OF EMERGENCIES IF
YOUR BEACH CITY AND I KNOW THIS
IS EXTREMELY HYPOTHETICAL AND
PROBABLY OUT OF BOUNDS, BUT IF
YOU FELT YOU NEEDED A MINISUB
BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO PATROL THE
AREA FOR DRUGS AND OTHER
CONTRABAND. IF THE LOCAL
MUNICIPALITY APPROVED THAT, UM
THEY COULD IF THEY WANTED TO
PROVE YOU, YOU DEALING WITH THE
DRUG PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING
UP IN WITH CANNABIS. AND AS WE
KNOW THE WEAPONS OF THE CARTELS
THAT ARE BEING USED HAVE BEEN
RAMPED UP. THEY CAN THEN GO TO
THAT COUNTY AND SAY, LOOK, WE
NEED TO BE ABLE TO RAMP UP OUR
ABILITY TO COUNTERACT. ANOTHER
UH, ANOTHER ENTITY AND WHAT
THEY'RE USING. THE IMPORTANT
THING IS TRANSPARENCY. AND
ACCOUNTABILITY AND MAKING SURE
THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO
AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE THEY HAVE
THE PRODUCER JERRY
RESPONSIBILITY. UM, TO APPROVE
ALL OF THESE THESE PURCHASES
THAT THEY'RE IN THE KNOW. AND
THEN YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT'S GOING
ON, AND THAT THEY HAVE SOME TYPE
OF APPROVAL PROCESS IN THIS. I
NEED A SECOND. OKAY, I'LL SECOND
MR CHAIRMAN, CHECKING IT.
ALRIGHT TAKE ROLL, PLEASE. MAYBE
14 86 BY SOME REMEMBER JOHN
SAWYER. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
JOHN SAWYER. I ELONIS NO, NO,
BONTA. BRIAN BRIAN. I LACKEY
KINO ORTEGA. SANTIAGO. SIPPER
THAT MEASURES ON. MEGYN CALL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
MOVE THE BILL. MOTION TO APPROVE
OKAY? BORRADOR PERIOD. WE HAVE
EMOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND
NOW? ALL MOTION. THE YEAH. THE
OTHER LIGHT SKINNED BROTHER.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
COLLEAGUES ON BEHALF OF SOME OF
THEM. MCCARTY I WANT TO BEGIN BY
SAYING I APPRECIATE THE WORK
DONE BY THE COMMITTEE AND ACCEPT
THE AMENDMENTS OR HE ACCEPTS THE
AMENDMENTS. MAYBE 14. OH, SIX
SIMPLY GIVES CALIFORNIA'S DOJ AN
ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS TO NOTIFY A
FIREARM DEALER WHETHER A GUN
PURCHASER IS LEGALLY ELIGIBLE TO
POSSESS A GUN IF IT IS DURING A
STATE OF EMERGENCY. GUARANTEEING
THAT THE DOJ IS 100% CONFIDENT
THAT A DEADLY WEAPON IS GIVEN TO
A LAWFUL RESIDENT IS A TOP
PRIORITY AND GIVING THE DOJ AN
EXTRA 30 DAYS TO DO SO, IF
UNABLE TO GET TO WORK DURING A
PANDEMIC, NATURAL DISASTER OR
OTHER STATE OF EMERGENCY AS A
COMMON SENSE PROPOSAL. HAVE
ALISON MENDOZA AND CANDICE CHUNG
FROM CALIFORNIA'S DOJ TO
TESTIFY, HEARING SUPPORT. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CANDICE
CHUNG AND I'M A DEPUTY ATTORNEY
GENERAL WITH THE OFFICE OF THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL ROB BONTA. WHO
IS PROUD TO SPONSOR A B 14 OH,
SIX. I'M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE
ALISON MENDOZA, WHO IS THE
DIRECTOR OF THE BUREAU OF
FIREARMS. I'D LIKE TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MCCARTHY FOR
AUTHORITIES BILL AND
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BRYANT FOR
STEPPING IN AND PRESENTING ON IT
. UM, THIS BILL REVIVED THE DOJ
WITH THE NECESSARY FLEXIBILITY
TO ENSURE THAT NO FIREARMS ARE
RELEASED WITHOUT BACKGROUND
CHECKS COMPLETED FIRST.
CURRENTLY THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE MUST CONDUCT A
BACKGROUND CHECK ON ON FIREARMS
FIRE AND REPORTED ITS FINDINGS
TO THE DEALER WITHIN 10 CALENDAR
DAYS. UH 10 CALENDAR DAY WAITING
PERIOD FOR TRANSFERS.
UNFORTUNATELY THESE BACKGROUND
CHECKS AREN'T AS SIMPLE AS JUST
SIMPLY PUTTING SOMEONE'S NAME
INTO A COMPUTER, AND IT SPITS
OUT INSTANTLY SPITS OUT THEIR
NAME AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, YES OR
NO, THEY ARE PROHIBITED OR NOT.
INSTEAD THE PERSON NEEDS TO BE
CROSS REFERENCED THROUGH THEIR
VARIOUS DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. AND
BECAUSE IT'S A NAME BASED SYSTEM
. WE HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THE
INFORMATION THAT'S PRODUCED IS
MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECT, AND IT'S
ATTRIBUTED TO THE RIGHT PERSON.
ADDITIONALLY OFTENTIMES WE NEED
TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
FROM OUTSIDE AGENCIES, UM,
COURTS TREATMENT FACILITIES, THE
U. S MILITARY AND WE'RE AT THEIR
MERCY TO GET THOSE RECORDS WHICH
ARE NECESSARY TO RESULT
QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT ARISE
DURING A BACKGROUND CHECK. 10
DAYS IS NOT A LOT OF TIME TO DO
THIS. AND IF THE BACKGROUND
CHECK IS NOT COMPLETED IN THOSE
10 DAYS, THE DOJ HAS TO ALLOW
THE DEALER TO RELEASE THE WEAPON
AT THAT TIME WITHOUT ONE. THIS
BILL WOULD EXTEND THE CURRENT
DENT 10 DAY LIMIT FOR COMPLETING
A BACKGROUND CHECK TO UP TO 30
DAYS. IN SPECIFIED CIRCUMSTANCES
, INCLUDING A STATE EMERGENCY AS
DEFINED IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE.
SUCH AS LIKE, SUCH AS THE RECENT
COVID 19 PANDEMIC, WHICH
HIGHLIGHTED THE NEED FOR THIS
LEGISLATIVE FIX. IN 2020 DURING
THE HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC,
FIREARM SALES SOARED. BUT THIS
IN PERSPECTIVE, THE NUMBER OF
APPLICATIONS WE RECEIVED DURING
THE SIX MONTH PERIOD BETWEEN
MARCH AND AUGUST OF 2020 WAS
ALMOST AS MANY AS THE TOTAL
NUMBER THAT WE WERE SEE AGENT
ALL OF 2019. THIS MEANT THAT WE
WERE BALANCING THE CHALLENGE OF
MEETING OUR MANDATE TO VET THE
SPIKE IN NEW APPLICATIONS WHILE
TRYING TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF
OUR EMPLOYEES AT THE TIME WHEN
WORKERS ARE BEING ADVISED TO
STAY AT HOME TO AVOID SPREAD OF
THE VIRUS. COMPOUNDING THE ISSUE
WAS THE FACT THAT COURTS AND
GOVERNMENT OFFICES WERE SHUT
DOWN OR OPERATING ON SKELETON
CREWS, MAKING IT EXCEEDINGLY
DIFFICULT TO GET RECORDS TO
COMPLETE BACKGROUND CHECKS. MUCH
LESS WITHIN A 10 DAY TIMEFRAME.
WHILE WE COMPLETED THE
BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR ALL THOSE
APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED
DURING THAT TIME, MANY WERE
COMPLETED BEYOND THE 10 DAY
LIMIT. SEEMS UNDERSTANDABLE,
GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT
UNFORTUNATELY IN THE RECENT
CAMPUS, WE BONDED DECISION. THE
COURT RULED THAT EXISTING LAW
DID NOT CONTAIN AND IMPLIED
EXCEPTION FOR EMERGENCIES,
REGARDLESS OF THE MAGNITUDE TO
JUSTIFY DELAYING A FIREARMS
TRANSFER. BUT THAT RULING WAS
NOT BASED ON THE EQUITIES OF THE
CIRCUMSTANCE. INSTEAD IT FOCUSED
ON THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF
PLAIN READING OF THE LAW.
BASICALLY THE JUDGE HELD THAT
THE STATUTE ONLY SPECIFIED THREE
REASONS FOR DELAYING A FIREARM
TRANSFER GOOD CAUSE BASED ON
EMERGENCIES, NOT BEING ONE OF
THEM. NFL LEGISLATURE HAD
INTENDED TO MAKE GIVE US A MORE
EXPANSIVE UH, READING OF THAT IT
WOULD HAVE DONE SO. BUT WHEN THE
BLOOD WHEN THE LEGISLATURE
DRAFTED THIS STATUTE WAY BACK
WHEN IT DID NOT TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT THE POSSIBILITY OF A
VIRAL PANDEMIC THAT ALL BUT SHUT
DOWN THE WORLD UP UNTIL THREE
YEARS AGO THAT WAS SIMPLY
UNIMAGINABLE. BUT NOW WE'VE
LIVED THERE ONE AND ONLY HOPE
THAT NOTHING LIKE THIS EVER
HAPPENS AGAIN. WE NEED TO BE
PREPARED FOR FUTURE PANDEMICS
AND OTHER EMERGENCIES. BECAUSE
AS IT STANDS IF NO LEGISLATIVE
ACTION IS TAKEN, AND THE CAMPUS
RULING IS AFFIRMED ON APPEAL,
THE DOJ COULD BE COMPELLED TO
RELEASE FIREARMS, UNVETTED AND
POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS PERSONS IN
THE EVENT THAT THERE'S ANOTHER
STATEWIDE EMERGENCY THAT HAMPERS
OUR ABILITY TO PROCESS THESE
BACKGROUND CHECKS. AND THAT'S
SIMPLY PUTS THE PUBLIC AT RISK.
80 14. OH SIX WILL ENSURE THAT
GUNS ARE ONLY TRANSFERRED TO
VETTED LAW ABIDING CITIZENS,
PROVIDING THE DOJ WITH
ADDITIONAL TIME TO COMPLETE
BACKGROUND CHECKS DURING TIMES
OF EMERGENCY. WHILE STILL
PRESERVING THE RIGHTS OF FIREARM
OWNERS TO PROTECT POSSESSION OF
THEIR GUNS WITHIN A REASONABLE
TIME. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION AND RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, AND
I HAVE WINDOWS AVAILABLE FOR
QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER
AND SUPPORT ANY EVIDENCE
SUPPORT? IS THERE ANYBODY IN
OPPOSITION? SEE NONE BRING IT
BACK TO COMMITTEE FOR ANY
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS CONCERNED.
SEEING NONE. YOU MAKE CLOTHES.
ON BEHALF OF ASSEMBLY MEMBER
MCCARTHY AND AS HIS NEW CO
AUTHOR OF THIS BILL, WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU. CHEERS RECOMMENDING I
VOTE COLOR. THE ROLE. ON A B 14
06 BY MEMBER MEMBER. EXCUSE ME,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MCCARTY. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS A MANAGER
OF THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE.
JOHN SAWYER. ELONIS DENISE I
BONTA. BRIAN BRIAN. I LACKEY,
BLACKIE. I ORTEGA ORTEGA? AYE
SANTIAGO SUPER THAT MEASURE
MEASURE PASSES. YEAH. AND SO
MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE TO DO ANY
ADLON THAT LIFTING THE CALLS AND
VOTES. BUT WE WILL NEED MR
SANTIAGO. THIS IS THE BURR. TWO
RETIRED.
YOU'LL BE IN HUMAN SERVICES 990.
GO THROUGH. WHAT YOU HAVE TO
MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THE
MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE CONSENT
RIGHT TO CALL YOU. ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. LÀ K¾T, AYE.
ITEM NUMBER ONE, MAYBE 60. I WAS
ON CONSENT. ITEM 2 82 35 WAS ON
CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER THREE OR
WAITING FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. ITEM
NUMBER FOUR A. B 4 28 WAS ON
CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. MAYBE
505. WE'RE WAITING FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. ITEM NUMBER SIX WAS
PULLED BY THE AUTHOR. ITEM
NUMBER 7 85 81 WAS ON CONSENT
ITEM NUMBER 87 97 WAS PULLED BY
THE AUTHOR. ITEM NUMBER NINE A B
8 29. ORTEGA. ORTEGA I THAT
MEASURE NOW PASSES. ITEM NUMBER
10. MAYBE 10 39 WAS PULLED BY
THE AUTHOR. I DON'T NUMBER 11 A
B 11 87. ORTEGA. ORTEGA I THAT
MEASURE NOW PASSES ITEM NUMBER
12 A B 12 52 BY A SUMMER MEMBER,
WICKS ORTEGA. OR TAKE A I. THAT
MEASURE WAS ON CALL IT NOW
PASSES. ITEM NUMBER 13 13 29 WAS
ON CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 14. A B
13 71 WAS ON CONSENT. ITEM
NUMBER 15 13 80. WE'RE STILL
WAITING FOR ABSENT MEMBERS.
ITEMS 16 ABBY 14. OH, SIX. WE'RE
STILL WAITING FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. ITEM NUMBER 17 80 14 83
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S VALENCIA
THIS MEASURE IS ON CALL ORTEGA
ORTEGA I THAT MEASURE REMAINS ON
CALL. IT NEEDS TO ITEM NUMBER 18
A B 14 86. ORTEGA. ORTEGA I THAT
MEASURE REMAINS ON CALL IT NEEDS
TO ITEM NUMBER 19 WAS PULLED BY
COMMITTEE ITEM NUMBER 28 B 15 51
BY SIMILAR MEMBER GIBSON. THIS
MEASURES ON CALL ORTEGA ORTEGA I
THAT MEASURE NOW PASSES ITEM,
21. 15 84. WE ARE WAITING FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. I DON'T NUMBER
22. MAYBE 15 98. WE'RE STILL
WAITING FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. ITEM
23. WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. YES I AM 24 A B
17 21 WAS PULLED BY THE AUTHOR.
ITEM 25 MAYBE 7 23 17 23. WE ARE
STILL WAITING STILL WAITING FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. KEEP THE ROLE
OPEN FOR ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
SANTIAGO. AND THE BIRD. COULD
YOU PLEASE COME TO THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING ROOM.
ROOM 1 TO 6.
OKAY. WELL, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE.
OKAY? AND THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO. AYE. ITEM
NUMBER ONE A. B 60 WAS ON
CONSENT ITEM TO 80 TO 35 WITH
SOME CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER THREE
A B 3 80 SANTIAGO SANTIAGO. AYE.
I DON'T NUMBER 4 84 28 WAS ON
CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MAYBE
505 BY SEVEN MEMBER TEAM.
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO. AYE. I DON'T
NEVER SIX MAYBE 561 WAS PULLED
BY THE AUTHOR. ITEM NUMBER 7 85
81 WAS ON CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 8
87 97 WAS PULLED BY THE AUTHOR.
I DON'T NUMBER NINE. I'M
REMEMBER WALDRON, I'M SORRY,
MAYBE 8 29. SANTIAGO. SANTIAGO.
AYE. I DON'T NUMBER 10 WAS
PULLED BY THE AUTHOR A B 10 39
RODRIGUEZ. ITEM NUMBER 11 ÁP. 11
87 SANTIAGO. SANTIAGO. AYE. ITEM
NUMBER 12. MAYBE 12 52 BY A
SEVEN MEMBER WICKS. SANTIAGO
SANTIAGO. AYE. ITEM NUMBER 13 13
29 WAS ON CONSENT ITEM. 14 13 71
WAS ON CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER 15.
MAYBE 13 80. SANTIAGO SANTIAGO I
ITEM NUMBER 16 A B 14 06 BY SOME
MEMBER MCCARTY SANTIAGO SANTIAGO
I ZABAR. OF COURSE. ITEM NUMBER
16 MAYBE 14 06 BY A SUMMIT
MEMBER MCCARTY ZIPPER? AYE. ITEM
NUMBER 17 A B 14 03 BY A SUMMER
MEMBER VALENCIA. THIS MEASURE IS
ON CALL. SANTIAGO SANTIAGO, I
ZABAR SUPER I THAT MEASURE NOW
PASSES ITEM NUMBER 18 80 14 86
BY A SEVEN MEMBER, JONES SAWYER
. THIS MEASURE IS ON CALL
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO EISENBERG
ZIPPER I THAT MEASURE NOW PASSES
ITEM 1980 14 97 WAS PULLED BY
COMMITTEE ITEM NUMBER 20 MAYBE
15 51 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GIBSON
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO EISENBERG. UH,
I. ITEM NUMBER 21 A B 15 84 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WEBER SANTIAGO.
SANTIAGO. AYE. ITEM 22, MAYBE 15
98 BY A SEMI MEMBER, BERMAN
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO AYE. 23 A B 17
OH, EIGHT BY SOME REMEMBER
MATSUKI SANTIAGO. SANTIAGO. AYE.
I PROPOSE THREE. OH, EIGHT. OF
COURSE. ON ITEM 23 A B 17 OH,
EIGHT MORE ITSUKI SANTIAGO IS I
TO ABSTAIN? ZIPPER. XYBERNAUT
VOTING. WE. ABSTAINING HAS TO DO
WITH IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF
INTEREST, AND NOT VOTING IS JUST
IF YOU JUST HAVE DECIDED NOT TO
GO. OKAY FIRST SANTIAGO VOTE
CHANGE ABSTAIN TO NOT VOTING.
AND WE WERE GRANTED
RECONSIDERATION BY UNANIMOUS
CONSENT. GENTLEMEN, THAT'S GOOD.
THANK YOU. ITEM 24 18 17 21 WAS
PULLED BY THE AUTHOR ITEM 25 A B
17 23 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WALDREN SANTIAGO SANTIAGO EYES
THE BURR. ZIPPER? AYE. MR
SANTIAGO, YOU'RE DONE. I STILL
NEED A FEW VOTES FOR YOU. I
THINK GOOD. ITEM NUMBER THREE,
MAYBE 3 80 BY A SYMBOL MEMBER,
ARAMBULA. ZIPPER. SUPER AYE.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR WAS ON CONSENT
ITEM NUMBER 5 85 05 BY A CEMENT
MEMBER TEAM SUBURB. AYE. ITEM
NUMBER SIX WAS PULLED BY THE
AUTHOR EDITOR. IT WAS ON CONSENT
. NINE WAS PULLED BY THE AUTHOR.
ITEM NUMBER NINE A B 8 29
ZILBER. THIS IS THAT CRIME ABOUT
ANIMAL ABUSE. ER, I. ITEM. 10
WAS PULLED BY THE AUTHOR. AND I
NEVER GOOD. THANK YOU,
GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU, JOHN.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY
, AND THAT'S SO CONCLUDES THE
BUSINESS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
COMMITTEE.