GOOD MORNING. WE HAVE A PACKED
HOUSE TODAY. I WONDER WHY YOU'RE
ALL HERE. UM GOOD MORNING.
BEFORE WE BEGIN. WE WANT TO DO A
FEW OPENING REMARKS, SO EVERYONE
KNOWS THE RULES OF THE ROOM TO
ENSURE MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA AND
THE PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS TO OUR
PROCEEDINGS. TODAY, THE HEARING
WILL BE STREAMED ON THE
ASSEMBLY'S WEBSITE AND MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE
TESTIMONY IN PERSON HERE IN ROOM
444 OR VIA THE PHONE. FREDDIE
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PROVIDING
COMMENT VIA PHONE. WE'RE USING
MODERATED TELEPHONE SERVICE. THE
CALL IN NUMBER FOR THE HEARING
IS 877692. AND THE PUBLIC ACCESS
CODE IS 1315444. PLEASE CALL IN
WHEN THE AUTHOR OF THE BILL
YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON BEGINS
THE PRESENTATION. THE OPERATOR
ON THE LINE WILL GIVE YOU
INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE PLACED
IN THE QUEUE. IF YOU'RE CALLING
IN, PLEASE ELIMINATE ALL
BACKGROUND NOISE WHICH INCLUDES
MUTING US SO WE DON'T HEAR
OURSELVES TWICE. UM WE HAVE 10
BILLS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN AS A
SUBCOMMITTEE. WE DON'T HAVE A
QUORUM YET. SO WE WILL TAKE L
ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE
CONTENT CALENDAR AS SOON AS WE
GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE A
QUORUM AND CAN HEAR THAT MOTION,
UH END NOW WE WILL I GUESS. CALL
THE HEARING TO ORDER AND
CONVENIENCES SUBCOMMITTEE AND WE
WILL CALL ROLE AS SOON AS WE ARE
ABLE LET'S SEE WHO IS THE MOST
SENIOR RIGHT HERE. CHAIRS HERE.
PERFECT WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
HOW TO GET THE GAVEL TO I WAS
LIKE THE PERFECT STAGE ENTRANCE.
MR MATHIS APPRECIATE IT. SO
WE'RE GONNA START WITH MY BILL
BEFORE 60. SO I'M HANDING THE
APPLE DEVICE CHAIR AND I WILL
CHANGE SEATS.
HMM. THE AUTHOR MAY PRESENT HER
BILL. THANK YOU, MR VICE CHAIR,
UM AND MEMBERS PLEASED TO
PRESENT A BEFORE 60, WHICH WILL
INCREASE THE STATE WATER BOARDS
ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY TO BETTER
MANAGE. THE PRE PRECIOUS WATER
RESOURCES HERE IN CALIFORNIA, AS
WE ALL KNOW, CLIMATE CHANGE IS
PRESENTING US WITH UNPRECEDENTED
CHALLENGES ACROSS ALL SECTORS OF
OUR SOCIETY. THIS IS AS TRUE IF
NOT MORE, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR
WATER SECTOR, WHICH WE ALL KNOW
AND DEAL WITH EVERY WEEK IN THIS
COMMITTEE. WELL, THIS WINTER HAS
OFFERED MUCH NEEDED RELIEF. I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS GOT THE
RAIN LAST NIGHT AT 11 PM I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THAT WAS, BUT IT RAN
TO MY HOUSE AT 11 P.M. LAST
NIGHT, UM, AND BROUGHT A SEVERE
THREE YEAR DROUGHT TO AN END. WE
DO NOT KNOW WHAT NEXT YEAR WILL
BRING. WE DO KNOW THAT SOONER OR
LATER, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER
DROUGHT AND WE KNOW IT WILL BE
EVER INCREASING IN SEVERE GIVEN
THIS WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WASTE
OUR WATER RESOURCES NOR ALLOW
ANYONE TO ILLEGALLY AND
UNLAWFULLY STEAL WATER. IT DOES
NOT MATTER IF THE THEFT IMPACTS
ANOTHER PERSON OR OUR
ENVIRONMENT DEPENDS ON THE WATER
AS MUCH IF NOT MORE THAN WE DO.
WATER IS ESSENTIAL TO ALL LIFE
AND ILLEGAL DIVERSION OF WATER
HAS REAL CONSEQUENCES FOR OTHERS
. AND FOR CALIFORNIA WE SHOULD
NOT AND CANNOT TOLERATE THIS
ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. AS YOU HEARD
EARLIER IN THIS LEGISLATIVE
SESSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED UP
IN THE SHASTA RIVER. THIS AUGUST
, A GROUP OF WATER USERS OPENLY
WILLFULLY AND ILLEGALLY DIVERTED
WATER IN VIOLATION OF AN
EMERGENCY CURTAILMENT ORDER THAT
THE STATE WATER BOARD HAD PUT IN
PLACE TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM IN
STREAM FLOWS TO PROTECT SALMON
AND OTHER EXTREME USES OF WATER
. THE SHAFT IS A TRIBUTARY TO
THE KLAMATH, WHICH IS HOME TO
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SALMON
RUNS ON THE PACIFIC COAST. IT
SUPPORTS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND
RECREATIONAL USES. BUT MORE
IMPORTANTLY, IT'S THE CULTURAL
USES BY THE CARRICK IN EUROPE
TRIBES THAT WE SHOULD ALSO BE
PAYING ATTENTION TO THE
SITUATION HAS BECOME EVEN MORE
TRAGIC NOW THAT THE RECREATION
AND COMMERCIAL SALMON FISHERY
WILL BE CLOSED FOR THE SEASON
FOR ONLY THE SECOND TIME IN OUR
STATE'S HISTORY. WHAT HAPPENED
LAST AUGUST ON THIS SHASTA WAS
EGREGIOUS AND IT CANNOT BE
ALLOWED TO PASS WITHOUT A
FORCEFUL RESPONSE BY US THE
LEGISLATURE. AND I WANT TO PAUSE
RIGHT THERE AND JUST SAY THAT
THAT IS WHAT THIS BILL DOES. IT
FOCUSES ON THE ILLEGAL USE OF
WATER AND ENFORCES CURRENT LAW.
AS I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
MEET WITH MANY OF THE OPPOSITION
THAT WE HEAR FROM TODAY. I'VE
ASKED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
DO YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT THIS
ENFORCES THE CURRENT RULES, AND
EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS SAID
YES. THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE
ENFORCE THOSE RULES? I ALSO WANT
TO POINT OUT THAT THE BILL IS
DOUBLE REFERRED TO JUDICIARY AND
SOME QUESTIONS OF DUE PROCESS
WILL BE DEAL DEALT WITH BY THAT
COMMITTEE. THE QUESTION BEFORE
OUR COMMITTEE TODAY IS THE WATER
QUESTION THE QUESTION OF SHOULD
WE BE ENFORCING THIS THROUGH THE
STATE WATER BOARD? SO THAT'S WHY
I INTRODUCED A BEFORE 60. THE
BILL WILL ALLOW THE STATE WATER
BOARD TO ISSUE AN INTERIM RELIEF
ORDER TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION
TO STOP HARM FROM HAPPENING AS
YOU HEARD IN OUR EARLIER HEARING
20 DAYS IS TOO LONG TO WAIT FOR
ILLEGAL DIVERSIONS TO HAPPEN. A
LOT OF WATER CAN BE TAKEN IN 20
DAYS IN IT WILL INCREASE THE
PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS FROM
$500 A DAY TO $10,000 A DAY.
PLUS 2500 ACRE FOOT OF WATER
ILLEGALLY DIVERTED. WE CANNOT
ALLOW THE THEFT OF WATER TO BE
THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
ALLOWS THE STATE WATER BOARD TO
OBTAIN AN INSPECTION WARRANT. A
PROPERTY OWNER WILL NOT
COOPERATE WITH ITS ATTEMPT TO
CARRY OUT ITS MANDATE AND
PROTECT THE PUBLIC INTEREST. IT
ADJUSTS THE WATER RIGHT
VIOLATION PENALTIES SO THAT THEY
KEEP PACE WITH INFLATION,
SOMETHING I SHOULD SAY WE SHOULD
DO FOR ALL PENALTIES, BUT WE'RE
DOING IT HERE IN THIS BILL. UM
THE OPPOSITION WILL ARGUE THAT
THIS BILL IS A DRAMATIC
EXPANSION OF THE STATE WATER
BOARD'S AUTHORITY. IT'S NOT IF
YOU DO NOT BREAK THE LAW IF YOU
ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES AS THEY
STAND TODAY. THIS BILL DOES NOT
CHANGE ANYTHING FOR YOU. THE
OPPOSITION WILL ARGUE THAT THE
BILL EGREGIOUSLY VIOLATES DUE
PROCESS. WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST
TO GET DUE PROCESS RIGHT IN THIS
BILL. I AM THE FIRST TO ALWAYS
SAY THAT THEY MAY NOT GET IT
RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND I
INVITE THE OPPOSITION TO
CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS WITH US
ON DUE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT WE
HAVE THE ABILITY TO STOP ILLEGAL
USE IMMEDIATELY ONCE DURING THE
PROCESS OF THOSE IN THE STATE
THAT ARE DOING RIGHT BY OUR
WATER AND DOING RIGHT BY OUR
ENVIRONMENT, AND AGAIN, THAT'S A
QUESTION WE WILL CONTINUE TO
WORK ON IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO
THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IF WE
WERE TO GET OUT TODAY. UM I WANT
TO ALSO ADD THAT IN OUR EFFORT
TO GET TO PROCESS RIGHT, WE
ENSURE HEARING WITHIN 15 DAYS
AGAIN OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION
ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT UNDER
PROCESS, BUT WE WORKED HARD TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE ISSUE WAS
HEARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BY
THE BOARD. UM I JUST WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS REALLY
IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE FORGET IT
OFTEN IN THESE WATER RIGHTS
CONVERSATION. THE PUBLIC OWNS
CALIFORNIA'S WATER. THE PEOPLE
OF CALIFORNIA HAVE A RIGHT TO
THIS WATER. WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS
POSSESS A RIGHT TO USE IT. AND
THEY MUST DO SO IN THE PUBLIC
INTEREST, AND THEY MUST DO SO
LAWFULLY. AND THAT IS WHAT THIS
BILL ENSURES IS THE CASE. AND
WITH THAT TODAY, I WILL TURN IT
OVER TO MY WITNESSES TODAY. WE
HAVE WITH ME TODAY, UM REGGIE
COLLINS OF CAL TROUT AND OVER
THE PHONE. WE HAVE COUNCIL
MEMBER HOCKEY OF THE KARAOKE
TROOP CORRECT TRIBE WHO WILL
TESTIFY VIA PHONE. THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA PAUSE REAL
QUICK AND ESTABLISHED. PERFECT.
THANK YOU. BARRICADE HAN. HERE
MATHIS COLONIES. BENNETT HERE.
DOLLY! DAVIES. FRIEDMAN HEART
CHOLERA. PELLERIN. RUBIO.
BROUGH. VILLA VALLAPUDUA WARD.
WHOEVER. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A
QUORUM PRIMARY WITNESSES MAY
PROCEED. DO YOU WANNA GO FIRST
WITH THE CALIFORNIA WHATEVER'S
BEST OKAY. WELL, CAN WE LET THE
COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE PHONE
GOLDFISH, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY
LET'S THANK YOU, MR COUNCIL
MEMBER, ARE YOU THERE? YOU GUYS.
JIMMY? YES, YES. GO AHEAD. OKAY?
I'M ERIN HOCKEY CREEK TRIBAL
COUNCIL MAYOR FOR THE CORRECT
TRIBE. I'M BORN AND RAISED ON
THE CLIMATE RIVER. I HAVE FIVE
CHILDREN. SIX GRANDCHILDREN. I
AM A CROOK. UH FISHERMEN ON THE
CLIMATE OVER UH, I'M HERE TODAY
TO BUY HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO
MAKE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
MORE HIGHER FOR ILLEGAL VERSION.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, LAST YEAR. THAT
THE, UM CHAPTER TWO THE SHASTA
FARMERS GROW. TOOK WATER FROM
THE SHAFT. DRINK IT THREE
QUARTERS OF WATER THAT WAS RIGHT
AFTER A DEVASTATING FISCAL ON
THE CLIMATE DRIVEN TO KILL FISH
FOR 50 MILES. THERE WAS NO
OXYGEN IN THE WATER FOR 50 MILES
FOR 24 HOURS TO KILL EVERYTHING
LIVING IN THAT STRETCH. AND THE
FARMERS TURNED AROUND, TOOK
WATER RIGHT AFTER THAT. FOR US,
THE CROOK CRIED. I WAS THAT WAS
HURTFUL THAT WAS CALLED NO
RESPECT FOR WHAT MOTHER NATURE
DOES FOR THE PEOPLE. SO
INCREASING THE FIND TO BE READ
GREAT BECAUSE. WE'RE NOT OUT OF
DROUGHT YET, AND WE'RE STILL ON
CLIMATE CHANGE AND WHAT'S GOING
TO STOP THEM FROM DOING AGAIN?
THEY LAUGHED AT THE WATER BOARD
BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT THE FIND
WASN'T GOING TO HURT THEM. GREAT
FOR THE 80 FARMERS THAT PAID FOR
THE FINES. IT ONLY COST HIM. 50
BUCKS WERE TAKING WATER FOR 20
DAYS. THAT LEFT FIFTH STRANDED.
ON THE CLIMATE RIVER, YOU KNOW,
IN THE SCREENS AND EVERYTHING.
RIGHT NOW, THE CLIMATE MIRRORS
AND DIRE NEEDS BECAUSE WE ARE ON
THE SECOND CLOSURE OF SALMON
FISHING. THE CORRECT SIDE WOULD
PROBABLY ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE
TO CATCH A LINK TO 100 AND 50
FOR CEREMONY PURPOSES ONLY THIS
YEAR. THAT'S NOT BECAUSE THE
STATE FUNDING FOR THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
DOING TO PROTECT THE FISH. WE'VE
BEEN DOING IT SINCE 2017. JUST
SO WE CAN HAVE PAID FOR A
TEACHER FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN.
WHEN THE FARMERS TAKE ILLEGAL
VERSIONS. AND MAKE MONEY OFF IT.
THAT GREED THAT'S POSSIBLE FOR
GREED. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR
THE PEOPLE OF THE CALIFORNIA OR
NOTHING. THEY KNEW THAT THE THAT
THE FIRST KILL HAPPENED AND IT
STILL TOOK THE WATER. I THINK
THAT BUILT A B 46 46 60 SCARRING
ABOUT THIS. NEVER SEND THE PHONE
YOU GOT IT COULD BE ENFORCED. WE
SHOULD UP THE A PRIEST OF THE
FINE, I MEAN, WHAT'S GOING TO
STOP THEM FROM DOING IT AGAIN.
THEY TOLD THE WATER BOARD. THEY
WERE GOING TO DO IT AND THEY DID
IT. THEY TOLD THE WHOLE PEOPLE
THEY WERE GOING TO EVERYBODY.
THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT. WHAT'S
GONNA STOP FROM ANYBODY? WHAT'S
GOING TO STOP SCOTT RIVER
FARMERS FROM DOING WHAT THEY
WANT TO DEAL WITH THE WATER WHEN
IT'S GOT RIVER GOES DRY ALMOST
EVERY YEAR. THANK YOU, VALLEY.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK
YOU. COUNCILMAN ROSE WAS LENIENT
AND LET YOU GO ABOUT A MINUTE
OVERTIMES. OKAY SORRY ABOUT THAT
. NO IT'S OK. AND IF YOU COULD
STAY ON THE LINE IN CASE THERE
ARE QUESTIONS ISSUE, SO STAND BY
FOR A QUESTIONS IF THEY COME UP
OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU, CHAIRPERSON,
BOW BAUER-KAHAN AND MEMBERS OF
THE ASSEMBLY OF WATER PARKS AND
WILDLIFE. MY NAME IS REGGIE
COLLINS AND THE LEGAL POLICY
DIRECTOR FOR CALIFORNIA TROUT.
I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE WATER
POLICY CHANGES TO IMPROVE
CALIFORNIA'S ECOSYSTEM. IS MY
LIFE'S WORK AND PASSION. I'M
ALSO HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE
ORIGINS OF A B 4 60 STEM FROM
THE SHASTA VALLEY. JUST A SHORT
DRIVE FROM WHERE I RAISED MY
FAMILY IN MOUNT SHASTA. 84 60 IS
BACKED BY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM
SOME OF THE PREEMINENT WATER
RIGHTS THINKERS IN CALIFORNIA.
IN 2021, A TEAM OF WATER RIGHTS
EXPERTS FROM UC DAVIS SPECIFIC
MAKE GEORGE STANFORD, UC
BERKELEY AND A FORMER STATE
WATER RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD
MEMBER WROTE A SERIES OF
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT INCLUDED
INTERIM PROTECTIONS FOUND IN 84
60. THIS BILL WOULD NOT AFFECT
ANYONE THAT IS ADHERING TO THEIR
CURRENT WATER, RIGHT? LET ME SAY
THAT AGAIN. A B 4 60 WILL ONLY
MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THOSE
SEEKING TO BREAK EXISTING LAW.
THIS BILL RESPONDS TO A VERY
REAL PROBLEM. SIX MONTHS AFTER
THAT WHITE PAPER WAS PUBLISHED.
IN AUGUST OF 2022 UNDER AN
EMERGENCY DROUGHT DECLARATION AT
THE HEIGHT. OF THE DROUGHT AND
AT THE HEIGHT OF THE SUMMER
HEAT. WATER USERS INTENTIONALLY
AND VOCALLY VIOLATED THEIR WATER
RIGHTS AND DRAINED HALF THE
SHASTA RIVER AQUI TRIBUTARY TO
THE KLAMATH. A RANCHER FROM THE
SHASTA RIVER WATER ASSOCIATION.
OH NO WORRIES ME. THANK YOU. UM
A RANCHER FROM THE SHASTA RIVER
WATER ASSOCIATION STATED THAT
THE STATE WATER RESOURCES
CONTROL BOARD, OBVIOUSLY AND I
QUOTE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE MUCH
ENFORCEMENT POWER BECAUSE THEY
SHOWED UP AND TOLD US SHUT OFF
YOUR PUMPS RIGHT NOW, AND WE
SAID NO. THE RANCHER WENT ON TO
ASK YOU THINK THEY'D MEETING THE
STATE WATER RESOURCES CONTROL
BOARD GETTING INJUNCTION SHUT
THE PUMPS, WOULDN'T THEY? END
QUOTE. THE BILL IS NOT ABOUT
INCREASING THE BOARD'S POWER,
BUT INSTEAD ABOUT GIVING THE
BOARD COMMON SENSE, EFFECTIVE,
PROVEN TOOLS. TO ACCOMPLISH THE
JOB THAT THE BOARD IS ALREADY
TASKED BY THIS LEGISLATURE TO DO
FINALLY, THIS BILL AND ITS
SUPPORTERS REFLECTS A GROWING
TREND. FISH AND FEATHERS,
CONSERVATION ORGANIZATIONS,
TRIBAL NATIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS, CLEAN
DRINKING WATER ADVOCATES AND
MANY OTHERS ARE WORKING TOWARDS
A COMMON GOAL, WHICH IS A RARITY
MAY NOT SOUND LIKE IT, BUT IT IS
TAKE A LOOK AROUND THIS CHAMBER.
THESE PEOPLE AND THESE ENTITIES
WILL BE HERE UNTIL WE SEE COMMON
SENSE CHANGES. REFLECTING THE
LEGISLATURE NEEDED TO PROTECT
ALL OF CALIFORNIA'S INTERESTS.
ESPECIALLY THOSE IN WATER. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME.
WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY PRIMARY
OPPOSITION THAT WOULD LIKE TO
PRESENT. AND BEING THAT WE GAVE
A LITTLE EXTRA TIME FOR THE
PROPONENTS. I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS
THREE MINUTES INSTEAD OF THE
STANDARD Tð.
GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN
AND COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR
HAVING ME THIS MORNING. MY NAME
IS ROBERT DONLAN, WATER RIGHTS
ATTORNEY HERE IN SACRAMENTO, AND
I REPRESENT PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
WATER SUPPLIERS AROUND THE
STATE. BEFORE I GET INTO THIS
SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT 4 60. I
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME GENERAL
OBSERVATIONS. FIRST IT IS
UNCLEAR WHAT THE BILL AIMS TO
FIX DESPITE YOUR CLARIFICATION
THIS MORNING. TO BE CLEAR WATER
AGENCIES DO NOT SANCTION
UNAUTHORIZED DIVERSION AND USE
OF WATER. BEFORE 60 GOES WELL
BEYOND LEGISLATIVE FIXES TO
ADDRESS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
SHASTA RIVER LAST YEAR. THIS
BILL IS NOT ABOUT WATER RIGHTS.
THIS IS ABOUT EXPANDING THE
BOARD'S, UH, AUTHORITY. TO DEAL
WITH ISSUES THAT GO BEYOND
ILLEGAL DIVERSIONS. SECOND THE
PROCESS FOR MODIFYING AND
CONDITIONING WATER RIGHTS IS
CRITICAL. WATER RIGHTS ARE REAL
PROPERTY AND SUPPORT BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS OF INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENT IN OUR STATE'S
ECONOMY. AS SUCH. STATE BOARD
WATER RIGHT ACTIONS MUST BE
IMPLEMENTED CONSISTENT WITH
CONSTITUTIONAL AND STATUTORY
PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS. AND THE
CALIFORNIAN MINISTRY OF
PROCEDURES ACT. AND WATER USERS
MUST BE AFFORDED THE RIGHT TO
INDEPENDENT JUDICIAL REVIEW.
WHILE THESE PROCESSES CAN BE
TIME CONSUMING AND OFTEN
EXPENSIVE THEY ULTIMATELY RESULT
IN MORE INFORMED AND DEFENSIBLE
WATER MANAGEMENT ACTION AND
REMAIN DURABLE OVER TIME. 84 60
WOULD AUTHORIZE THE STATE BOARD
TO ISSUE INTERIM RELIEF ORDERS
IN ADJUDICATIVE PROCEEDINGS. IN
OUR VIEW THIS AUTHORITY WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF INCREASING FINES IS
UNNECESSARY IN LIGHT OF STATE
BOARDS, EXISTING AUTHORITIES IT
IS UNWORKABLE UNDER MANY OF THE
LEGAL DOCTRINES THAT WOULD
AUTHORIZE THE STATE BOARD TO
ISSUE IN TERM RELIEF. AND THE
PROPOSED PROCESS IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND CONFLICTS
ON MANY LEVELS, WITH PROCEDURAL
RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS AFFORDED
WATER RIGHT USERS UNDER STATE
AND FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONS IN THE
CALIFORNIA A P A. A B FOUR
SIXTIES PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS
TO WATER CODE SECTION 11 26
REMAINING ON YOUR TIME. THANK
YOU. WOULD ELIMINATE MEANINGFUL
JUDICIAL REVIEW OF STATE BOARD
WATER, RIGHT ACTIONS AND
UNDERCUT ADMINISTRATIVE
ACCOUNTABILITY. STATE BOARD
ACTIONS THAT OFFEND AFFECT
FUNDAMENTAL VESTED RIGHTS IN OUR
COMMUNITIES AND ECONOMIES.
REQUIRE THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
JUDICIAL SCRUTINY, NOT A
WEAKENING OR ELIMINATION OF
ADMINISTRATIVE AND JUDICIAL
REVIEW. WATER AGENCIES
UNDERSTAND THAT MODERN WATER
PROBLEMS REQUIRE CREATIVE
SOLUTIONS. AND WE ARE PREPARED
TO WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE IN
THE STATE WATER BOARD ON THAT.
IT IS OUR VIEW THAT CALIFORNIA'S
EXISTING WATER RIGHTS SYSTEM
INCLUDES THE FLEXIBILITY TO
ADDRESS MODERN PROBLEMS WHILE
ALSO PROVIDING WATER USERS WITH
A DEGREE OF CERTAINTY AND
EXPECTATIONS THAT ALLOW FOR
INVESTMENT IN SYSTEM
IMPROVEMENTS AND ACTIONS TO
IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT. THANK
YOU CAN GO TO THE OTHER. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. I'M JENNIFER PIERRE.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE
STATE WATER CONTRACTORS, AND WE
RESPECTFULLY IN OPPOSITION OF A
B 4 60. WE CONCUR WITH THE
NOTION THAT THE STATE WATER
BOARD NEEDS STRONG TOOLS TO
EFFECTIVELY ENFORCE VIOLATIONS
OF CURTAILMENT ORDERS AND
ILLEGAL DIVERSION. THEN WE DO
NOT ILLEGALLY DIVERT. BUT THIS
BILL DOES IMPACT US AND IT
ACTUALLY IMPACTS ALL OF US. OUR
CONCERN IS THAT A B 4 60 GOES
FAR BEYOND THAT NARROW SCOPE AS
WAS DESCRIBED AND WOULD EXPAND
THE STATE WATER BOARDS
AUTHORITIES SUBSTANTIALLY BEYOND
WHAT IS NECESSARY TO ENFORCE THE
WATER RIGHTS SYSTEM, WHICH IS
ACTUALLY TO THE DETRIMENT OF ALL
WATER USERS, NOT JUST THOSE THAT
ARE ILLEGALLY DIVERTING WE
BELIEVE THAT OUTSIDE THE VERY
REAL AND LEGITIMATE DUE PROCESS
AND LEGAL CONCERNS IN THE BILL,
THE PRACTICAL CONSEQUENCES OF
THE MEASURE WOULD HAVE A REAL
IMPACT ON ALL OF CALIFORNIANS AT
A TIME IN WATER AGENCIES MUST
RAPIDLY INVEST IN THEIR WATER
SUPPLY PORTFOLIOS TO BE CLIMATE
RESILIENT. A COMPLETE
DISMANTLING OF THE WATER RIGHTS
SYSTEM WILL PARALYZE THESE
AGENCIES FROM MAKING THESE
URGENT AND NECESSARY
INVESTMENTS. WATER AGENCIES ARE
MAKING INVESTMENTS IN THEIR
INFRASTRUCTURE BASED ON THEIR
WATER RIGHTS, WHICH ARE THE
FOUNDATION OF THEIR WATER PER
PORTFOLIOS. WATER AGENCY
CONSIDERING INVESTMENTS IN
GROUNDWATER BANK, A NEW STORAGE
FACILITY OR EVEN A RECYCLED
WATER FACILITY CANNOT JUSTIFY
THAT INVESTMENT. IF THE ENTIRE
WATER RIGHT THEY DEPEND ON IS IN
QUESTION. LIKEWISE WITH SUCH A
MAJOR DISRUPTION IN THE
CALIFORNIA WATER, RIGHT
STRUCTURE AND SYSTEM, THE
ABILITY FOR COMMUNITIES TO PLAN
AND DEVELOP HOUSING TO MEET THE
LONG TERM NEEDS OF CALIFORNIANS
IS UNTENABLE. HOW CAN
COMMUNITIES MAKE THE NECESSARY
FINDINGS UNDER THE SUBDIVISION
MAP ACT AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL
PLANNING PROCESS TO PROVE UP A
RELIABLE WATER SUPPLY? IF THERE
IS SUCH GREAT UNCERTAINTY IN THE
WATER RIGHTS? WHICH I RELIED
UPON FOR THOSE SUPPLIES. WE
BELIEVE THIS MEASURE POSES
SIGNIFICANT RISK TO FUTURE
HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE A NUMBER
OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PCL
REPORT THAT COULD BE EFFECTIVE
AT ADDRESSING SOME OF THE
SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN
RAISED AND WE HAVE SUPPORTED
THESE MEASURES AND LEGISLATION
CONSISTENT WITH THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS. EXAMPLES
INCLUDE FUNDING FOR THE STATE
WATER BOARD STAFF TO UPDATE AND
MODERNIZE THE WATER RIGHTS
INFORMATION SYSTEM AND IMPROVED
MONITORING AND REPORTING. 84 60
EXACERBATES OUR WATER,
RELIABILITY AND CERTAINTY,
MAKING IT HARDER FOR WATER
AGENCIES TO INVEST IN THE
PROJECTS NEEDED TO ENSURE
CLIMATE CHANGE. EXCUSE ME
CLIMATE RESILIENCE FOR THESE
REASONS. WE ARE RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED TO MAYBE 4 60. REQUEST
YOUR NO VOTE ON THE MEASURE.
THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO SUPPORT
IN THE ROOM. NAME AND
ORGANIZATION. AND THEN TO THE
PHONES. AFTER THAT GOOD MORNING
, DANIEL BROUGHT ON BEHALF OF
THE UNION OF CONCERNED
SCIENTISTS AND STRONG SUPPORT.
GOOD MORNING, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MATTHEW BAKER, POLICY DIRECTOR
FOR PLANNING CONTRIBUTION. LEE,
CO SPONSOR OF THE BILL, STRONG
SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING, CODY
PHILLIPS ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
COAST KEEPER ALLIANCE IN
SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING, DENNIS
O'CONNOR WITH THE MONO LAKE
COMMITTEE IN SUPPORT. SAMANTHA
SAMUELSON WITH AUDUBON,
CALIFORNIA IN SPORT. VICTORIA
ROME WITH NATURAL RESOURCES,
DEFENSE COUNCIL AND SUPPORT.
JUSTIN MALONE FOR THE HEAL THE
BAY IN SUPPORT. ALEX PLUMMER
WITH DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE AND
THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAW FOUNDATION
AND STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD
MORNING, MATT CLIFFORD, WITH
TROUT UNLIMITED IN SUPPORT.
MADONNA WITH THE TRUST REPUBLIC,
LAND AND SUPPORT. ABRAHAM
MENDOZA WITH COMMUNITY WATER
CENTER AND ALSO ON BEHALF OF
LEADERSHIP COUNCIL FOR JUSTICE
AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND CLEAN
WATER ACTION AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU WILL GO TO THE PHONES FOR
SUPPORT OPERATOR. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE PRESS
ONE THAN ZERO PRESS 10. WE WILL
FIRST GO TO LINE 16. AND JUST
NAME AND ORGANIZATION. ERIN
WILLEY ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
AND SUPPORT. LINE 36. HI THIS IS
SANTIAGO. IT WAS CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS IN SUPPORT.
WE WILL NOW GO TO LINE 38. YOUR
LINE IS NOW OPEN. DEAR DRESS.
YOU'RE DOWN WITH CALIFORNIA
WATER RESEARCH GOING STRONG
SUPPORT. LINE 23. YOUR LINE IS
NOW OPEN. GOOD MORNING. DON
MACKIN HILL WITH RUSSIAN
RIVERKEEPER IN SUPPORT. LINE 37
. YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN. BILL AH
LEO ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING GROUP
AND SUPPORT. AND MR CHAIR. THERE
IS NO ONE ELSE WHO SIGNAL THAT
THEY WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. OPERATOR WHY? WHILE
WE HAVE YOU, LET'S GO TO, UM
OPPOSITION ON THE LINE AS WELL.
YEAH. SORRY. AND ONCE AGAIN,
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR THOSE
WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION
, PLEASE PRESS 10 THIS TIME
EFFICIENCY THERE. WE HAVE WE
HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE
SIGNALED THAT THEY WISH TO
SPEAK. JUST A MOMENT, PLEASE.
AND AGAIN JUST NAME ORGANIZATION
AND STANCE. WE WILL NOW GO TO
LINE 30. YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN.
PRETTY BOY ON BEHALF OF THREE
VALLEYS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT
IN OPPOSITION. OH YEAH, 34. YOUR
LINE IS NOW OPEN. GOOD MORNING,
SHARON GONZALVES ON BEHALF OF
THE CITY OF CORONA IN
OPPOSITION. 9 12 YEAR, LINUS NOW
OPEN. I MEAN, 9 12. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. EXTREMELY. I CAN'T MOVE ON
TO LINE. PARDON ME, PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, JUSTIN
HOPKINS WAS STOPPED AND EAST
WATER DISTRICT IN OPPOSITION.
LOT, 21. YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN.
LINE 21, THE LINE IS OPEN. WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE ON TO LINE 32.
YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN. SARAH
BOUDREAU WITH THE CITY OF
ROSEVILLE RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED.
LINE 31. YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN.
LINE 31. YOUR LINE IS OPEN. I'M
GOING TO MOVE ON TO LINE 2025.
YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN. YEAH GOOD
AFTERNOON, DANA FERREIRA ON
BEHALF OF THE MODESTO IRRIGATION
DISTRICTS. RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED.
MR CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE
WHO SIGNALED THAT THEY WISH TO
SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR
OPERATOR, AND FINALLY TO THOSE
IN OPPOSITION IN THE ROOM, AGAIN
NAME ORGANIZATION. GOOD MORNING,
MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS DON GILBERT
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES ASSOCIATION
, THE SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION AND ORANGE
COUNTY WATER DISTRICT ALL IN
OPPOSITION. THANKS. GOOD MORNING
, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS SAID
MANNING ON FROM K P PUBLIC
AFFAIRS ON BEHALF OF MOJAVE
WATER AGENCY AND WESTERN
MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT IN
OPPOSITION. MR CHAIR MEMBERS
PALIOTTA ON BEHALF OF THE
COUNTIES OF SAN JOAQUIN AND
STANISLAUS, ALSO THE SOUTH SAN
JOAQUIN IRRIGATION DISTRICT IN
OPPOSITION. MORNING MR CHAIR AND
MEMBERS CHRIS ANDERSON ON BEHALF
OF THE ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA
WATER AGENCIES AND OPPOSITION.
GOOD MORNING, KIRK WILBUR WITH
THE CALIFORNIA CATTLEMEN'S
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIR MEMBERS IVY,
BRITAIN WITH THE NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA WATER ASSOCIATION
OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS DEAN TALLY ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURERS AND TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED. GOOD MORNING, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, ROBERT GONZALEZ WITH
CRUZ STRATEGIES ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA BUILDING INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION. GOOD
MORNING, ALEX, BEARING WITH
CALIFORNIA, FAR BRIO AND
OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING, GAIL
DELAHANTY WITH WESTERN GROWERS
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION. GOOD
MORNING, BRENDA BASS ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE AND OPPOSITION. GOOD
MORNING, LILY MCKAY ON BEHALF OF
SAN LUIS DELTA, MENDOTA, WATER
AUTHORITY AND UNITED WATER
CONSERVATION DISTRICT. BOTH AN
OPPOSITION THANK YOU. DENNIS
ALBION ON BEHALF OF MESA WATER
DISTRICT, SANTA CLARA VALLEY
WATER AGENCY. EXCUSE ME SORRY,
AND SAN GABRIEL VALLEY MWD IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING, ERIC TURNER ON BEHALF
OF TURLOCK IRRIGATION DISTRICT
AND SANTA MARGARITA WATER
DISTRICT IN OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. GOOD MORNING, DANNY MERKLEY
WITH THE LOCAL GROUP ON BEHALF
OF, UH, CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION
OF WINE GRAPE GROWERS, CURRENT
COUNTY WATER AGENCY AND KINGS
RIVER INTEREST IN OPPOSITION.
GOOD MORNING. NOEL CRAMER'S WITH
WINE INSTITUTE IN OPPOSITION.
GOOD MORNING, TRISHA GEHRINGER
WITH AGRICULTURAL COUNCIL OF
CALIFORNIA RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED.
GOOD MORNING. TAYLOR. RUSSIAN
WITH CONSERVATION ECONOMY ON
BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA, FRESH
FRUIT ASSOCIATION, CALIFORNIA
COTTON GENDERS AND GROWERS
ASSOCIATION, A GROWER SHIPPER
ASSOCIATION, WESTERN PROCESSORS,
WESTERN PLANT HEALTH, APPLE AND
BLUEBERRY COMMISSION IN
OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING, SARAH
STARBURST WITH MUNICIPAL WATER
DISTRICT OF ORANGE COUNTY, THE
COACHELLA VALLEY WATER DISTRICT
AND THE LOSS OF VIRGINITY
ADMISSIBLE WATER DISTRICT
COMPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING, MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS BOB
READ WITH REED GOVERNMENT
RELATIONS ON BEHALF OF
BELLFLOWER SOMERSET MUNICIPAL
WATER. COMPANY. ELDORADO
IRRIGATION DISTRICT, DESERT
WATER AGENCY, ELSINORE VALUE
MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT,
PALMDALE WATER DISTRICT, ROLLING
WATER DISTRICT, SOLANO COUNTY
WATER AGENCY, VALLEY OG WATER
COALITION AND WANTED VALLEY
WATER DISTRICT AND OPPOSITION.
STEVE BAKER WITH AARON REID AND
ASSOCIATES FOR THE UPPER SAN
GABRIEL VALLEY MUNICIPAL WATER
DISTRICT IN OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. AT THIS TIME WE WILL GO TO
MEMBERS. MR WARD. MS RUBIO.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND THANK
OUR CHAIR FOR BRINGING THIS, UH
, PIECE OF LEGISLATION FORWARD.
IT'S BEEN VERY INTERESTING TO
LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HOW
THIS CAME TO BE. AND MAYBE THE
MOMENT THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW,
UM, TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS
THROUGH YOUR LEGISLATION TO BE
ABLE TO UPDATE SOME OF OUR
PROCESSES TO RESPOND TO THESE
ILLEGAL DIVERSIONS, AND IF WE
ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE
THESE LIMITED AND ISOLATED
INCIDENCES OF ILLEGAL
DIVERSIONS, AND THAT ARE
RESPONSE MECHANISMS RIGHT NOW
ARE INEFFECTIVE TO BE ABLE TO
STOP THE ACTIVITY, ESPECIALLY
WHEN WATER IS PARTICULARLY
SCARCE. UM THEN WE DO NEED TO BE
ABLE TO THINK ABOUT THE ABILITY
FOR US TO, UM, LAWFULLY RESPOND
TO BE ABLE TO CURTAIL THAT
ACTIVITY AND PARTICULARLY UNDER
THE PENALTIES TO IF WE AGREE
THAT THE FINE STRUCTURES ARE
JUST INSUFFICIENT, THEN I'M
APPRECIATED. THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT CAN BE ENHANCED THROUGH.
THIS BILL HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR A
LOT OF INPUT WITH VERY MIXED
OPINION. ON THIS AND REALLY
TRYING TO ALSO, YOU KNOW, I
APPRECIATE THAT. I KIND OF WEAR
TWO HATS. AND HOW DOES THIS
AFFECT MY CONSTITUENTS? AND HOW
DO I ALSO HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES
AS A MEMBER OF THIS BODY, YOU
KNOW, THINKING ABOUT STATEWIDE
WATER, KNEES AS WELL. AH UM AND
I GENERALLY WANT TO BE MORE
SUPPORTIVE OF SUPPORTING OUR
STATE AGENCIES FOR AND BELIEVE
IN TRUST IN THEM TO BE ABLE TO
DO THE RIGHT THINGS ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIANS, AND SO I'M NOT
CERTAINLY OPPOSED TO WANTING TO
SEE HOW WE CAN GIVE THEM THIS
POWER TO BE, UM, THAT THAT THAT
THAT EXTRA ENFORCEMENT TOOL TO
BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE ENDS THAT
WE WANT TO ACHIEVE. UM THE SO TO
THAT END, HOW WOULD THIS BILL
ESTABLISHED PARAMETERS FOR THE
STATE WATER BOARD EXERCISING AND
ACTION IN THE FIRST PLACE? YEAH
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. UM,
SO THE BILL DOES REQUIRE A
FINDING OF THE BOARD AND I CAN
PULL UP THAT LANGUAGE EXACTLY.
BUT THE THAT THERE WOULD BE
HARMED THAT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN,
AND THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC
CRITERIA IN THE BILL FOR THAT,
UM, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT
MECHANISM I THINK IN ENSURING
THAT WE ARE KEEPING THEM IN
CHECK, IF YOU WILL IS THE DUE
PROCESS. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON
THAT THROUGH JUDICIARY. BUT
CURRENTLY, AS I SAID, AND I
THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE BECAUSE
ALL OF THE THINGS SPECIFIED IN
THE BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM
TO LEAD TO AN INTERIM RELIEF
ORDER. OUR CURRENT LAW ONE COULD
GO TO COURT RIGHT NOW AND
LITIGATE THESE ISSUES RIGHT? AND
SO ANYBODY WHO'S GOT AN F IN
OPPOSITION COULD BE IN COURT ON
THIS TODAY. THAT'S NOT GOING TO
CHANGE. WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, IN
PART IS OUR COURTS ARE SO
OVERRUN AS WE AS A BODY NOW, SO
THAT TAKES TIME AND IT CAN TAKE
UP TO 20 YEARS RIGHT NOW, SO
THIS IS TRYING TO GIVE US A
MECHANISM IN THE MEANTIME, BUT
WE NEED TO GET THAT DUE PROCESS
RIGHTS SO THAT THERE IS A CHECK
ON THE BOARD SO THAT THE COURT
IS COMING IN TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE NOT STOPPING USE THAT IS A
LAWFUL APPROPRIATE NECESSARY USE
. WHATEVER WORD YOU'D LIKE, UM
AND SO YOU KNOW, WE DID REQUIRE
THIS 15 DAY THE HEARING WITHIN
15 DAYS, WE DID REQUIRE ANY
HEARING TO BE DONE AS QUICKLY AS
POSSIBLE. AFTER THAT WE YOU ARE
CURRENTLY AND WILL CONTINUE TO
BE ALLOWED TO APPEAL TO A COURT
AND END UP IN THAT SAME PROCESS
YOU CAN BE IN TODAY. UM, AND SO
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT
THIS GIVES US THAT IMMEDIATE
ACTION BUT PROTECTS THOSE RIGHTS
OF ALL OF THE WATER RIGHTS
HOLDERS. UM TO GET THE DUE
PROCESS THEY NEEDED TO MAKE SURE
THAT THERE IS A THE COURT IS A
CHECK ON THE BOARD. I THINK
THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL.
ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE
PARAMETERS CORRECT AND TIGHT TO
BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO WHAT IS
GOING TO BE NARROW AND ISOLATED
INCIDENCES OF DIVERSION AND
LEGAL TAKING. UM THAT YOU KNOW,
I WOULD THINK ALSO WOULD RUIN
THE WATER SUPPLY PLANNING FOR
ANY GIVEN LOCALITY AS WELL,
BECAUSE THAT THAT IS WHAT'S
GOING ON HERE TODAY, AND WE WANT
TO ENSURE THAT IN, ESPECIALLY
UNDER DROUGHT CONDITIONS OR
OTHER OTHER EXTREME
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU KNOW
WE'RE TREATING EVERYBODY EQUALLY
. UM AND IF THERE IS AN INTERIM
RELIEF ORDER THAT IS IMPOSED AND
THE SEAT WATERBOARD GOT THAT
WRONG. WHAT WOULD BE THE
CONSEQUENCES OF THAT? UH WELL,
THE COURT WOULD STOP THE RELIEF
ORDER RIGHT? THEY WOULD. UM BUT
IF THERE'S A HARM DONE, SAYING
NO HARM DONE TO ISSUED, DOES
THAT INTERESTING? TAKE HER, THEN
MAYBE SOMETHING TO WORK OUT. NO,
THAT'S SOMETHING I HADN'T
THOUGHT ABOUT IT. IT'S A FAIR
QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE CHECK,
IF ESPECIALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
YOU KNOW IT'S HAPPENING? YOU
KNOW, I THINK WE'RE ALWAYS A
CHECK ON THIS TO FIX THE
LEGISLATION, BUT, UM SORRY.
EXCUSE ME. OH, IF THERE'S
SOMETHING TO ADD FROM, PLEASE,
AND ALSO FROM THE OPPOSITION. IF
YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT WOULD
BE GREAT. I THINK FOR THE
DISCUSSION SORRY TO BUTT IN
THERE, BUT, UH, THE IDEA IN MY
MIND, AND THE ANSWER TO THAT
QUESTION WOULD BE IN THE
CONCURRENT JURISDICTION WITH THE
EXISTING COURT SYSTEM AND THE
STATE WATER RESOURCE CONTROL
BOARD, AND SO LIKE ANY COURT
SYSTEM LIKE ANYBODY THAT THAT
YEAH, RULING THAT REALLY CAN BE
CHALLENGED AND INJURY CAN BE
ADDRESSED IN A IN A SIMILAR
FINDING, OF COURSE IT ONCE A
RULING IS FINAL. YOU KNOW THAT'S
THAT'S THE IMMEDIATE ACTION. I
WILL POINT TO THE BILL THAT SAYS
THE INTERIM RELIEF WILL ONLY BE
PROVIDED IF THERE IS A IMMINENT
UM, IMMINENT HARM. IT'S
EXTREMELY HIGH STANDARDS AND THE
STANDARDS ACTUALLY BROUGHT FROM
WELL FROM PRESIDENT THAT'S IN
THE CIVIL COURT SYSTEM. AND SO
THAT IS A WELL RECEIVED IN
LONGSTANDING PRECEDENT THAT WE
USE THAT LANGUAGE FROM SOMEBODY
HAD AN ORDER. AND IT WAS SORRY
IMMEDIATELY IMPOSED. THEY ARE
THEN INCURRING POTENTIAL HARM
FOR BUSINESS OR ACTIVITY OR
AGRICULTURE, WHATEVER THEIR
ISSUES ARE, AND IT WAS LATER,
YOU KNOW, DEBATED AND RULED THAT
THAT WAS ILLEGALLY ORDERED THAT
THERE COULD BE THERE COULD BE
RESTITUTION FOR THEM FOR HARMS
THAT THEIR BUSINESS OR THEIR
THEIR THEIR INDUSTRY, UM,
INCURRED AND IF I MAY, AND I
WOULD YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO TURN
OVER BUT JUST SO I CAN FINISH I
WAS ABOUT TO SAY I WANT TO HEAR
THAT THE OPPOSITION WANTS TO
YES, EXACTLY. SO IF I CAN FINISH
AND THEN TURN IT OVER, SO ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT I THINK, UM AND
I SAID THIS IN MY OPENING IS,
YOU KNOW THIS IS THE FIRST
ANYONE WHO RAISES FROM THE SO I
THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD
WORK ON. I THINK IT'S A GOOD
QUESTION AGAIN SOMETHING THAT I
THINK WE CAN ASK YOU TO SHARE
ABOUT TWO. THEY MAY HAVE INPUT
ON HOW THAT WOULD WORK. WELL,
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
SAYING THAT I'M GOING TO GET IT
RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND WE HAVE
ASKED THE OPPOSITION TO PLEASE
COME TO US WITH CONSTRUCTIVE
FEEDBACK. I'VE ASKED THEM. YOU
KNOW HOW WE CAN MAKE DUE
PROCESS. BETTER TO BE FAIR. I
HAVE NOT MET WITH ALL 400
SOMETHING. WATER AGENCIES, BUT
YOU KNOW, BIG STAKEHOLDERS. I'M
DOING MY BEST GUYS. MY STAFF IS
TRYING TO MEET WITH AS MANY OF
THEM AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE DOING
OUR BEST YEAR I HEARD SOMEONE
CHUCKLE IN THE BACK. UM BUT, UH,
SO YOU KNOW, AND WE DO WANT TO
GET THIS RIGHT AND WE WOULD LIKE
THEIR INPUT. AND SO THIS IS
SOMETHING YOU KNOW WE'RE ASKING
THEM TO COME TO THE TABLE. WE'RE
ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE US
THOUGHTS ON THIS DUE PROCESS AND
HOW TO GET IT RIGHT? BECAUSE I
DO WANT TO GET IT. RIGHT. LOOK,
I'M A FORMER LITIGATOR. I
BELIEVE DEEPLY IN DUE PROCESS,
SO I THAT IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE
TO WORK ON. AND I WOULD LIKE
THEM TO BE MY PARTNERS AND THAT
ANYBODY IN THIS BODY CAN DO
THAT. I KNOW YOU CAN BECAUSE OF
YOUR EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN
YOUR COMMITMENT TO THOSE ISSUES.
THE OTHER THING THAT IS JUST
LIKE MR WARD REAL QUICK. I WANT
TO GO BACK TO THEM BECAUSE THEY
CLEARLY HAS SOMETHING TO ADD
INTO THIS. NO, THANK YOU, MR
THAT WE DO HAVE THE OPPOSITION
AT THE TABLE. UH LET'S HAVE THE
DISCUSSION. UM IT'S A IT'S A
VERY GOOD QUESTION, AND WE HAD
CONCERNS WITH THE ORIGINAL
VERSION OF THE BILL WITH RESPECT
TO JUDICIAL REVIEW OF THESE
INTERIM RELIEF ORDERS. THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE MADE ON
MARCH 30 ELIMINATED JUDICIAL
REVIEW OF INTERIM RELIEF ORDERS.
YOU CANNOT GET COURT RELIEF. OF
FOR REVIEW OF ADMINISTRATIVE, UM
UH, AND INTERIM RELIEF ORDER. IN
A COURT AGAINST THE BOARD OR ANY
OFFICER OF THE BOARD TO REVIEW
PREVENT OR ENJOYING ANY OF THE
FOLLOWING UNTIL YOU HAVE A FINAL
DECISION. SO IT COULD BE 20
YEARS BEFORE. UM WATER RIGHT
HOLDER COULD GET RELIEF FROM A
COURT AND THAT'S THAT'S THE DUE
PROCESS. CONCERN IN THE JUDICIAL
REVIEW CONCERN THAT WE'RE MOST
CONCERNED ABOUT THESE AMENDMENTS
CAME IN IN THE. THE MARCH. 30TH
AMENDMENT. UM ALSO ELIMINATED
WAS THE INDEPENDENT JUDGMENT
STANDARD. UM THAT HAS BEEN THE
STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR WATER
RIGHT DECISIONS. SINCE THE WATER
CODE WAS ENACTED. THAT'S
ELIMINATED AND PRESUMABLY, SOME
LESSER STANDARD OF REVIEW WOULD
REPLACE THAT. UM, BUT YOUR
QUESTION RAISES THE VERY
IMPORTANT ISSUE ABOUT HOW DO WE
CHECK THE STATE WATER BOARD. IF
THEY'RE WRONG, RIGHT? THERE'S NO
BOND THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE
POSTED. IF THE BOARD GETS IT
WRONG, THE BOARD CAN ORDER WATER
USER TO DO ALL SORTS OF
ENGINEERING STUDIES.
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, UM, THEY
CAN ORDER THE BOARD TO REIMBURSE
THEIR COSTS. BUT IF THE BOARD
GOT IT WRONG, THERE IS NO
RELIEF. YES I'M A ON THOSE
AMENDMENTS. AS I SAID, I WAS
TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT IN THE
ABSENCE OF ANY SUGGESTIONS, SO
I'M DELIGHTED TO BE HEARING SOME
SUGGESTIONS TODAY, AND WE'LL BE
FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, AND I
APPRECIATE THOSE SUGGESTIONS TO
I THINK WE'RE SORT OF STARTING
TO TAKE AN ANALYSIS OF THE
PROCESS SO WE CAN HAVE THE
DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT THAT
WORD YOU KNOW, ABLE TO CREATE A
LITTLE CHECKLIST OF SOME OF
THESE ISSUES THAT I KNOW THAT
YOU'LL TAKE SERIOUSLY AND BE
ABLE TO WORK THROUGH A LITTLE
BIT OF A SORT OF A MORE MACRO
QUESTION THAT I'M TRYING TO GET
MY MIND AROUND IS, YOU KNOW,
KNOWING THAT SO MUCH OF WHAT HAS
OCCURRED OVER THE DECADES HAS
REALLY BEEN SET INTO PLACE
THROUGH JUDICIAL ACCENT IN COURT
PRECEDENTS, AND TO WHAT EXTENT
IS A NEW ADMINISTRATIVE POWER,
SORT OF INTERSECTING WITH. THE
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO SOME OF
THIS JUDICIAL REVIEW IS JUST
SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY TRYING
TO KIND OF, LIKE, SIFT THROUGH.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT MAYBE SOME
OF THESE DISCUSSIONS AND
POSSIBLY WORKING WITH OPPOSITION
CAN HELP TO ELUCIDATE SOME OF
THE SOLUTIONS HERE THAT THAT
THAT WON'T WITH THIS BILL
BECOMES LAW AND BE IMPLEMENTED
BE OVERTURNED, RIGHT? AND THAT'S
SOMETHING I KNOW YOU THINK
CRITICALLY THROUGH, YOU KNOW,
SORT OF THOSE SUBSEQUENT STEPS
AS WELL, TOO, AND I LOOK FORWARD
TO JUDICIARIES INPUT. I JUST
WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK
THEY WILL BE VERY KEEN. TO THAT
QUESTION AND WILL PROVIDE US
WITH GOOD FEEDBACK TO ALLOW US
TO GET IT RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO
I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THE BILL
BECAUSE I KNOW IT REALLY
DESERVES A LOT MORE CRITICAL.
THOUGHT MY HOPE IS THAT THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT IN ITS FINAL FORM
, YOU WILL BE SOMETHING THAT IS
NARROWLY DESIGNED TO A VERY
NARROW SET OF, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES
WHERE THESE ILLEGAL TAKINGS ARE
OCCURRING AND THAT WE ARE BEING
FAIR AND HOW WE ARE IMPLEMENTING
THIS A NEW STATE POWER. AH FOR
ALL PARTIES THAT THAT ARE DOES
THAT THERE ARE CAN ALSO BE VERY
QUICK RESOLUTION TO THAT
QUESTION AS WELL. YOU WOULD
ACHIEVE THE BENEFIT. UM YOU
WOULD HOPEFULLY ACTUALLY ACHIEVE
ADDITIONAL DETERRENCE FROM THE
TAKINGS EVER OCCURRING IN THE
FIRST PLACE. UM, AND I THINK
THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
WORKABLE. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO
SEEING HOW THE BILL MATURES AS
IT GOES FORWARD. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. MEMBER AWARD MEMBER
RUBIO. AND THEN REMEMBER BENNETT
AND THEN OTHER MEMBERS. THANK
YOU. SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT
THE REVIEW AND JUDICIARY. UM SO
I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT, UH, MORE
FOCUSED ON THE ON THE WATER
ISSUES. I SAW A LOT OF MY AG
COMMUNITIES HERE AND I JUST WANT
TO EMPHASIZE THAT I AM FROM
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. AND ONCE
UPON A TIME I WAS ASKED, DO I
HAVE AG IN MY DISTRICT? AND I
ANSWERED? ABSOLUTELY I EAT. UM
SO WITH THAT I WANT TO SAY THAT
ALL OF CALIFORNIANS E. AND IF
THERE'S AN IMPACT ON THE
COMMUNITY, THEN WE'RE ALL UH,
IMPACTED. 60% OF THE PRODUCE IN
THE UNITED STATES COME FROM COME
FROM CALIFORNIA. SO I WANT TO
JUST START WITH THAT, UM, PART
OF THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT THE
PREDICTABILITY OF WATER SUPPLY,
AND I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE WAS
THE HOUSING. UM, ISSUE AND HOW
CAN WE ENSURE THAT THAT THAT
WATER SUPPLY IS. I'M SURE THAT I
GUESS, UM I COME FROM A DISTRICT
MY JUST SO YOU KNOW, EVERY
SINGLE WATER DISTRICT IN MY IN
MY AREA IS, UH, OPPOSED. THE
SANIBEL VALLEY DEPENDS ON
GROUNDWATER, MAINLY, AND THEN WE
DO WATER RIGHTS, AND THEN YOU
KNOW, THE LAST RESORT IS
IMPORTED WATER. UM SO IF THERE'S
UH ADVERSE EFFECTS TO THIS, MY
COMMUNITY WOULD FOR SURE. I
MEAN, 100% BE AFFECTED BY THIS,
SO I WANT TO ENSURE THAT NOT
ONLY THE COMMUNITY IS, UH
PROTECTED BUT ALSO MY COMMUNITY
TO MR WORDS POINT. YES I WANT TO
DO RIGHT BY CALIFORNIA. BUT MY
PRIMARY CONCERN OR THE RESIDENTS
OF MY DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, UM, SO
THE PREDICTABILITY PART IS AN
ISSUE FOR ME FOR THE HOUSING BUT
ALSO FOR MY AG COMMUNITIES HAVE
AH AND JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO
ONE OF THE ISSUES. WE TALKED
ABOUT THE WATERBOARD HAVING THE
RIGHT TO SANCTION OR WHATEVER
THE WORDS WE MAY USE, BUT CAN'T
WE GET RELIEVED? RIGHT NOW? SAY
THE A G SAY, HEY, WE'RE PUTTING
A RESTRAINING ORDER. A TEMPORARY
RESTRAINING ORDER ON WHATEVER
YOU'RE DOING IS THAT, UM PART OF
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WITHIN
THE 15 TO 20 DAYS. WASN'T THAT,
UH A RELIEF OF SORTS DURING THE
WHOLE CHEST. THE FIASCO NUMBER
ONE, BUT NUMBER TWO, UM, WE TALK
ABOUT AGENCIES TRYING TO DO THE
RIGHT THING. NOT ALL OF THEM. DO
THE RIGHT THING. UM, YOU KNOW,
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE ALL HUMAN.
UH AND I'VE SEEN AH, SOME OF
THESE AGENCIES, NOT THE
WATERBOARD. MAYBE BUT NOT RIGHT
NOW. SOME OF THESE AGENCIES TAKE
UP AH, DIFFERENT RULINGS FOR
DIFFERENT GROUPS BASED ON THEIR
RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, SO IT
COULD BE A PUNITIVE. UH JUST
BECAUSE IT'S THIS GROUP OR THE
THAT OTHER GROUP. HOW CAN WE
PREVENT THAT? AND I KNOW THAT
ALSO WILL BE DEALT WITH AND YOU
DISH, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT HERE
BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF OUR
FARMERS ARE, UH, HAVE THOSE
RELATIONSHIPS. THERE'S ALWAYS
SOME ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP
BECAUSE THEY BLAME THE FARMERS
FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO
WITH WATER. HOW DO WE PROTECT
THOSE GROUPS WHEN WE ARE GIVING
THE POWER TO THESE AGENCIES
AGAIN? I HOPE THAT THEY DO THE
RIGHT THING, BUT WE ALL KNOW
THAT IF THEY HAVE A THEY DON'T
HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
THEY'LL TAKE IT OUT IN ONE WAY
OR ANOTHER TRY TO PENALIZE THEM
AND USING THESE POWERS TO PUNISH
THEM FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE
IN THE PAST, SO I WANT TO ENSURE
THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
THIS THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE
ADDRESSED THE FARMERS NUMBER ONE
NUMBER TWO. WELL I GUESS THEY'RE
THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY IMPORTANT
BUT THE HOUSING ISSUE HOW DO WE
ENSURE THAT WE DO HAVE THE
RELIABILITY SO WHEN WE ARE DOING
DEVELOPMENT, WHERE IN A HOUSING
CRISIS AND YOU KNOW IT'S THE
WEIRDEST UH, YOU KNOW, NEXUS
RIGHT NOW, IS THAT YOU KNOW,
WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS
WITH BOTH HOUSING AND WATER
RELIABILITY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THOSE
ISSUES AND I TRUST AND I, YOU
KNOW, I SPOKE TO MANY OF YOU. I
TRUST THAT, UH, WE CAN COME INTO
A INTO AGREEMENT, BUT I KNOW AND
I'M SPEAKING TO MY OPPOSITION. A
LOT OF YOU CAME TO US, BUT SOME
OF THEM SOME OF THOSE FOLKS HAVE
NOT NECESSARILY GONE TO THE
AUTHOR. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S 400
, YOU KNOW, PLUS AGENCIES, BUT
IS THERE A WAY THAT MAYBE WE CAN
CONVENE A GROUP? AND I WILL HELP
IF THAT'S YOU KNOW, SOMETHING
THAT WILL HELP THE FOLKS SIDE
HERE. I WILL HELP TO CONVENE
THIS GROUP SO THAT WE CAN WORK
THESE ISSUES OUT. BUT LAST THING
WE WANT IS TO AFFECT OUR FOOD
SUPPLY AND AFFECT OUR HOUSING
SUPPLY. AND I THINK THAT WE ALL
ARE IN AGREEMENT OF THAT. AND UM
, I'VE WORKED WITH WITH THE
AUTHOR MANY, MANY TIMES WERE NOT
ALWAYS ON THE SAME PAGE. BUT I
KNOW THAT WE CAN WORK THIS OUT
IF WE SIT DOWN OBJECTIVELY. I
WANT TO SAY THIS, I USUALLY SAY
THEM. PRIVATE BUT I'M GOING TO
SAY IT IN PUBLIC. YOU CAN'T GO
TO ANOTHER AND JUST SAY THEIR
BILL SUCKS. I MEAN, THAT'S YOU
KNOW, UH, BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE
DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THAT. UM
AND TO THE POINT THE AUTHOR WAS
MAKING IS, LET'S COME WITH SOME
CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS. AND I
UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEM ARE, YOU
KNOW NO GOALS. I RATHER WE'VE
ALL BEEN THERE, BUT CAN WE WORK
OUT ALL OF THE DETAILS THAT CAN
POSSIBLY BE WORKED OUT? THE LAST
THING THAT WE WANT AGAIN IS TO
AFFECT OUR FOOD SUPPLY AND OUR
HOUSING SUPPLY. AND SO I TRUST
THAT YOU CAN CAN COME TO THE
TABLE, BUT TO THE OPPOSITION,
I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP
CONVENE THOSE GROUPS SO THAT WE
CAN COME UP WITH A WORKABLE NON
PUNITIVE BILL AND ADDRESS THE
ISSUES THAT THE OPPOSITION, UM
IT'S RAISING UNDERSTANDING THAT
NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE
ADDRESSED. IF WE ARE AMENABLE TO
THAT I WOULD REQUEST FROM THE
AUTHOR. FOR US TO DO THAT INTO
THE OPPOSITION. I'D BE MORE THAN
HAPPY TO BE PART OF THAT, UH,
THAT THE CONVENER OF THAT GROUP
SO THAT WE ALL FEEL SECURE. I
WORKED WITH THE AG COMMUNITY A
LOT AGAIN. EVEN THOUGH I'M FROM
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. THEY'RE MY
BEST FRIENDS, UM, BECAUSE WE EAT
AND I DEPEND ON THEM TO EAT. UM
BUT WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE
TABLE SO THAT WE CAN ALL UH I
KNOW THAT THERE IS AN AGREEMENT
THAT WE COULD WE CAN MAKE. UH,
IT JUST TAKES A MATTER OF WORK
AND AGAIN OPENNESS THAT NOT
EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE
ADDRESSED. BUT IF WE CAN ADDRESS
THE MAJORITY ON THESE ISSUES
THAN I WOULD REQUEST THAT FROM
YOU. YEAH IF I MAY, MR CHAIR.
ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU. YES AND I
WOULD I WAS I TOLD YOU AND
OTHERS I WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT
. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, AS I
SAID, I'M NEVER ONE TO THINK I
GOT IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME WE
ALL HAVE. THAT'S WHAT THIS
PROCESS IS ABOUT. AS THE VICE
CHAIR, SAID, THIS PROCESS IS
ABOUT IRONING THESE THINGS OUT,
AND I THINK THAT WHAT IS
INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS NOT
EVERYONE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY
EVERYONE BUT THE VAST MAJORITY
OF PEOPLE EVEN IN THE OPPOSITION
AGREE THAT WE NEED TO STOP THE
ILLEGAL TAKING OF WATER, RIGHT?
AND I SEE THAT NODDING OF HEADS
OVER HERE. AND SO FUNDAMENTALLY
, WE AGREE ABOUT THE PREMISE OF
WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACHIEVE. AND
UM AND SO I DO THINK THAT THERE
IS THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START
. UM AND THAT ISN'T ALWAYS THE
CASE RIGHT THAT THE VAST
MAJORITY OF AGREE ABOUT THE GOAL
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I SEE
THE PROBLEM IS SLIGHTLY BROADER
THAN THEY DO. ALTHOUGH YOU KNOW,
YESTERDAY I WAS IN A MEETING
TALKING ABOUT THIS AND SOMEBODY
SAID THIS IS GOING TO HALT ALL
OUR WATER PROJECTS. AND IT
ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO BE AN
AGENCY THAT I'VE HAD THE
PRIVILEGE OF GOING OUT AND
SEEING THAT'S DOING INCREDIBLE
WATER PROJECTS. INCREDIBLE
GROUNDWATER WORK, AND I SAID,
WELL, THAT'S THE LAST THING I
WANT TO DO. SO HOW IS THAT? HOW
DOES THIS BILL DO THAT? AND THEY
COULDN'T YET GIVE ME THAT
ANSWER, RIGHT? AND SO I SAID TO
HIM, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT
AND I THINK I'M A PRETTY CAPABLE
PERSON. IF YOU WALK ME THROUGH
THAT, MAYBE WE CAN FIND A
SOLUTION, BUT I NEED TO
UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT? AND SO
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE. AND I
DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS
GOING TO STOP HOUSING. I DON'T
WANT TO STOP HOUSING. I'M TRYING
TO COME AROUND ON THAT AGAIN.
IT'S ENFORCING CURRENT LAW. SO
I, UM I'M WORKING THROUGH
UNDERSTANDING THAT, BUT, YOU
KNOW AGAIN. WALK ME THROUGH THAT
HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE
DOING IN HERE? THAT'S CAUSING
THAT AND LET'S FIX IT BECAUSE I
DON'T WANT TO STOP HOUSING. I
DON'T WANT TO. AND YOU KNOW, I
SAY FROM THE DIOCESE WHEN I'M
SITTING IN THE CHAIR SEAT ALL
THE TIME THAT I VALUE SO DEEPLY.
THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY IN
CALIFORNIA FOR ITS ECONOMIC
IMPACTS, WHICH YOU DIDN'T
MENTION, BUT ALSO FOR THE
NATIONAL SECURITY IT PROVIDES TO
THIS NATION WHICH WE'VE SEEN
THROUGH THE UKRAINE CRISIS. HOW
CRITICAL IT IS IN CALIFORNIA
THAT WE THAT WE ARE PART OF THE
BREADBASKET OF THE NATION AND A
HUGE PART OF IT. UM AND SO
THAT'S THE LAST THING I WANT TO
DO. HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW
ENFORCING CURRENT LAW GETS US
THERE? HOW CAN I MAKE THE BILL
BETTER? AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, SO
I WOULD REALLY NOT ONLY DO I
WELCOME THAT I'D LIKE THAT.
CORRECT. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING
TO GO TO MEMBER BENNETT THAN
VILLA POUVOIR, DOLLY AND. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THEN HELEN. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, JUST LIKE TO GET
SOME CLARITY WITH FROM THE
OPPOSITION ON THE ISSUE OF
AGREEMENT ON THE ON THAT WE HAVE
A PROBLEM, UM, DOES THE WATER
BOARD IN YOUR OPINION HAVE
SUFFICIENT AUTHORITY RIGHT NOW
TO HAVE ADDRESSED THE PROBLEM
THAT WE HAD WITH SHASTA RIVER OR
IS CHANGE NEEDED? SO YOU GOT.
GET THE ANSWER FREELY. WE'RE
HERE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
YEAH I DO NOT BELIEVE THE BOARD
DOESN'T HAVE ADEQUATE TOOLS TO
CURTAIL AND ELIMINATE, UM AND
TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST
ILLEGAL DIVERSIONS. THAT'S NOT
TO SAY THAT A FINE STRUCTURE. UM
THAT CREATED DISINCENTIVES TO
UNAUTHORIZED DIVERSIONS MIGHT
NOT BE APPROPRIATE, AND WE'RE
WILLING TO HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION. UM THE BILL. THIS
BILL DOESN'T DO THAT. IN OUR OUR
VIEW. IT GOES WELL BEYOND THAT.
UM, BUT THE BOARD DOES HAVE
AMPLE AUTHORITIES AND THEY HAD
AUTHORITIES THAT THEY DID AN
EXERCISE LAST AUGUST AND THE
SHASTA VALLEY THEY COULD HAVE
GOT GONE AND GOTTEN A T R O. AND
YOU CAN GET A T R O VERY QUICKLY
FOR THE USE OF ACRONYMS SHAKE
TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER THAT
WAS AUTHORITY THAT THAT THE
LEGISLATURE GAVE THEM JUST LAST
YEAR, SO I DO THINK THE BOARD
HAS ADEQUATE AUTHORITY TO
PREVENT UNAUTHORIZED DIVERSION.
THINK THE ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW
WHAT IS UNAUTHORIZED AND THIS
BILL SUGGESTS THAT SOMETHING
THAT MIGHT CONFLICT WITH THE
PUBLIC TRUST OR REASONABLE USE.
THESE DOCTRINES THAT REALLY HAVE
NO DISCERNABLE LEGAL BOUNDS. UM
UM, COULD RESULT IN AN
UNAUTHORIZED DIVERSION, AND
THAT'S WHERE THE UNCERTAINTY
THAT JENNIFER WAS TALKING ABOUT
HIS CREATED. YES GO AHEAD. SO
YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT
THAT THE WATERBOARD NEEDS
INCREASED AUTHORITY. I DON'T
THINK THEY NEED AN INCREASE IN
AUTHORITY. I THINK IT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT THE FINE
STRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE THANK
YOU. YES UM AND I HAVE THE FIRST
THING I'D LIKE TO SAY TO THIS
COMMITTEE IS THAT THERE IS A
JUDICIAL COMMITTEE THAT IS GOING
TO GO GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS
IN TERMS OF REVIEW. SO UH, I
THINK OUR FIRST RESPONSIBILITY
AND WE CERTAINLY IT'S LEGITIMATE
FOR US TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER
THIS IS YOU KNOW, LEGALLY
CONSTRUCTED AND WHETHER IT HAS
TO PROCESS ETCETERA, BUT ARE ARE
PRIMARY FOCUS WITH THIS
COMMITTEE SHOULD BE ON WHAT'S
THE WATER SITUATION THAT WE NEED
TO ADDRESS AND THEN THE JUDICIAL
COMMITTEE GET INTO THE HEAVY
LIFTING IN TERMS OF DUE PROCESS
AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND
SO, UM WHEN IT COMES TO WATER. I
THINK THAT THE WATER RIGHTS AND
THE WATER REGULATION IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS EVOLVED
VERY SLOWLY FROM A TIME ALL THE
WAY BACK IN THE 18 FIFTIES, WHEN
WE WERE TRYING TO DECIDE HOW
WE'RE GOING TO DO YOU KNOW WATER
IN A IN A IN A STATE THAT HAD
CALLED MINERS HERE AND THAT WAS
PROBABLY THE DOMINANT ISSUE AND
THEN GRADUALLY, AGRICULTURE CAME
IN WERE NOW A STATE OF 40
MILLION PEOPLE, ESSENTIALLY A
MODERN STATE WITH TREMENDOUS
DIVERSITY OF DEMANDS ON OUR
WATER. UM MANY ISSUES THAT I
THINK ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE
APPARENT TO US IN TERMS OF HOW
DO WE DO RECHARGE AND WHAT? HOW
DO WE STORE WATER AND WATER
RIGHTS AND ALL OF THAT? IT'S
CERTAINLY IN IN MY MIND, THINGS
LIKE BEING ABLE TO MOVE TIMELY
AND QUICKLY ON A WATER SITUATION
IS ESSENTIAL. YOU YOU CAN'T HAVE
A STATE WITH 40 MILLION PEOPLE
AND AS COMPLEX OF WATER SYSTEM,
AS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND NOT BE
ABLE TO MOVE QUICKLY AND TIMELY
, SO I WOULD BE IN DISAGREEMENT
WITH THE OPPOSITION THAT THAT
THAT THAT THAT THIS INCIDENT
HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED FOR SOME
REGULATORY REFORM. SOME CHANGE
IN POLICY AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM
IT'S ALREADY NARROWLY
CONSTRUCTED BY THE AUTHOR.
BECAUSE THE AUTHOR HAS PUT IN
THAT THE DETERMINATION THAT THE
WATER BOARD MUST FIND IS
IMMINENT HARM. ALRIGHT, IMMINENT
HARM. IS A HIGH STANDARD, AS AS
AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT AND
MEANS THAT THE WATER BOARD
CANNOT SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT AND
CAN EASILY BE STOPPED IF THEY'RE
WILLING NILLY IN TERMS OF THE
APPLICATION OF THIS, AND YET,
EVEN WITH THAT, THAT STANDARD OF
IMMINENT HARM WE HAVE THE
ALLEGATION THAT THIS IS GOING TO
STOP ALL HOUSING PROJECTS, AND
IT'S GOING TO YOU KNOW, DO ALL
THESE THINGS AND I THINK THAT WE
HAVE TO BE AWARE BECAUSE THIS
WON'T BE THE LAST TIME A WATER
BILL IS COMES COMES FORWARD IN
FRONT OF THIS. THIS COMMITTEE IS
THAT THERE IS ALMOST ALWAYS AN
ACCELERATION AND AN EXPANSION
AND AN EXAGGERATION OF THE
IMPACTS OF ANY ATTEMPTS WE MAKE
TO TRY TO MODERNIZE. THE WATER
RULES AND REGULATIONS IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. THAT JUST
JUST INEVITABLY HAPPENS ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL I'M
SETTING THIS UP FOR SOME SOME
SOME QUESTIONS, SIR, BUT I THINK
THERE'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT
ISSUE. INDEED, IT IS. THANK YOU,
UM THE AND SO THAT SO IF WE HAVE
THIS HIGH STANDARD, AND I WANT
TO GO BACK TO MY POINT, WE HAVE
THESE THINGS TO GET ACCELERATED.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN
EVERYBODY'S SAYING WELL, I DON'T
WANT TO VOTE FOR A BILL THAT'S
GOING TO KILL ALL HOUSING IN
CALIFORNIA. NOBODY WANTS TO VOTE
FOR A BILL IS GOING TO DO THAT.
THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT REALLY
AN ACCURATE EXAGGERATION? AN
ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF A BILL
THAT HAS EXTEND STANDARDS ENDURE
LIKE THEY HAVE TO MAKE A
DETERMINATION OF IMMINENT HARM.
AND SO WITH THAT THE AUTHOR IS
ASKING US IS THIS BILL
APPROPRIATE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE
FORWARD ALL RIGHT TO HAVE TO
TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN TERMS OF
THAT? WELL, THE JUDICIAL
COMMITTEE REVIEW ALMOST ALL OF
THINGS. I'M HEARING A DEAL WITH
DUE PROCESS ISSUES AND THOSE
KINDS OF IDENTIFICATION ISSUES
AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE
VERY CAREFUL. HE REVIEWED AND
REVIEWED HERE ALSO APPROPRIATELY
BUT RECOGNIZE THIS IS THE 1ST
1ST CRACK AT IT. THE OTHER THING
THAT SEEMS TO HAPPEN WITH WATER
BILLS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD IS
THAT PEOPLE DON'T COME FORWARD
WITH SOLUTIONS TO THE AUTHOR,
AND THEN THEY GET PRESENTED ONLY
HERE. AND SO, THE AUTHOR IS
SAYING I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR IF
YOU GOT IF YOU GOT A PROBLEM,
AND YOU GOT A SOLUTION, BRING IT
TO ME SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND
IT. I CAN PRESENT IT I CAN WORK
IT OUT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO
HAVE THAT. HOPEFULLY, THAT WILL
HAPPEN. BUT AT THIS POINT TIME I
TRUST THE AUTHOR. TO GET THIS
RIGHT AND THE SINCERITY OF THE
AUTHOR TO TRY TO MAKE THE
CHANGES AS THESE THINGS ARE
BROUGHT UP AS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
FROM SAN DIEGO CLEARLY POINTED
OUT, IF SOMETHING THAT THE
AUTHOR SAYS, HEY, I HADN'T
THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY. I WANT
TO THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S
EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMITTEE
PROCESSES FOR IS FOR THE FINAL
THING I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE
AUTHOR TO DO IS NOT. NOT RESPOND
TO THE ADAMANT OPPOSITION SO
MUCH THAT YOU NARROW THE BILL SO
MUCH THAT A YEAR FROM NOW WE'RE
NOT SAYING WELL, WE WISH THAT
THE WATERBOARD WOULDN'T HAVE
BEEN NARROWED SO MUCH BECAUSE I
THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME
REASONABLE CONFIDENCE IN THE, UH
IN OUR WATER REGULATORS TO DEAL
WITH THIS VERY COMPLICATED
ISSUE. THE PUBLIC HAS DIFFICULTY
UNDERSTANDING THE COMPLEXITY OF
WATER IN TERMS OF GROUNDWATER,
AQUIFER, Z ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF
THINGS, AND THE AUTHOR IS TRYING
TO MOVE US INTO A MORE MODERN
REGULATORY PROCESS GOING FORWARD
. AND SO WITH THAT, UM MY, YOU
KNOW, MY FINAL QUESTION FOR THE
AUTHOR IS UM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU
FEEL CONFIDENT THAT BETWEEN NOW
AND WHEN YOU GET TO JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE, UM, YOU CAN GET TO
THE POINT WHERE YOU FEEL
COMFORTABLE WITH THE ISSUES THAT
HAVE BEEN RAISED TODAY IN TERMS
OF DUE PROCESS, ETCETERA. I
THINK WE HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED. I
THINK WE HAVE WORK TO DO ON THE
DUE PROCESS. QUESTION UM, YOU
KNOW, AND I HOPE THAT WILL BE
ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION
AND WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW
TO GET THE VOICE OF ALL AGENCIES
VERY TABLE THROUGH ADVOCATES.
BUT BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S
NEXT WEEK. I DON'T KNOW WHEN
WE'RE NEXT NEXT WEDNESDAY, NEXT
TUESDAY, SO I DON'T THINK IT
WILL NECESSARILY. I'LL BE FIXED
BY TUESDAY. I CAN'T MAKE THAT
PROMISE TO THE TO THE COMMITTEE
HERE TODAY, BUT THEY VOTE ON IT.
AND THEY GET TO DETERMINE THAT
AND HAVING BROUGHT BILLS TO THEM
. YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'VE RAISED
IN THE PAST AND CORRECTED
CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS. YOU
KNOW, I TRUST THAT THEY WILL DO
THAT. AND THAT THE CONSULTANTS
THERE ARE AS WE ALL KNOW,
INCREDIBLY SKILLED AND SMART AND
WILL BE HELPFUL, SO I WILL DO MY
BEST. BUT I THINK THIS IS A
CONTINUING CONVERSATION IN THE
HIM AND I HAVE THAT I'M GIVING
HERE TODAY AS YOU HEARD ME GIVE
TO, UM, OUR COLLEAGUE FROM THE
SAN GABRIEL VALLEY IS, UM YOU
KNOW THAT THAT THAT IS AN
ONGOING COMMITMENT TO GET IT
RIGHT? AND IF YOU KNOW, WE THINK
WE HAVE A RIGHT AND THEY COME
BACK TO ME IN THE SENATE, AND
THEY SAY, OH, WE DIDN'T CATCH
THIS. I'M COMMITTED TO
CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION.
RIGHT? SO I DON'T THINK THAT
THERE'S AN END POINT TO THAT
CONVERSATION. IF NEXT YEAR IT'S
PLAYING OUT. YOU KNOW THIS
BECOMES LAW, AND IT'S PLAYING
OUT IN A WAY THAT WE DIDN'T
FORESEE. I'M COMMITTED TO FIXING
IT THAT RIGHT, SO I THINK THAT
THE COMMITMENT IS ONGOING. WELL
I TRUST THE AUTHORS COMMITMENT
TO DOING THAT, WHICH IS WHY
SECONDED THE MOTION FROM THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SAN DIEGO.
THANK YOU, AND I APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY. I THINK THAT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HERE, UH DURING
COMMITTEE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO TWO
THINGS BOTH ASK QUESTIONS AND
OFFER THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON THE
CUT THE COMPLICATED ISSUES IN
FRONT OF US THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, MEMBER BENNETT. I BELIEVE
WE'RE GOING TO, UH, MR VILLE
VALLAPUDUA. YEAH. THANK YOU.
GREAT DISCUSSION. UM I DID
RECEIVE A LOT OF OPPOSITION
CALLS, BUT ESPECIALLY FOLKS THAT
YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THE
BAD APPLE RIGHT THERE. NOT THE
FOLKS THAT ARE NOT THEY'RE DOING
EVERYTHING THAT JUST SUPPOSED TO
BE DOING. UM AND I APPLAUD YOU.
FOR YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THOSE
WHO ARE ACTING IN BAD FAITH. I
THINK THAT THAT HAS TO BE RIGHT
UP. UM. BUT I THINK THAT WHAT
IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IS THAT WE
NEED TO HAVE MORE VOICES. WE
NEED TO HAVE MORE FOLKS THAT ARE
AT THE TABLE. AND SO I CAN'T I
KEEP. I WAS BEATING MYSELF
YESTERDAY AND GOING OVER THIS
BILL, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE KIND
OF HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT PRIOR
BECAUSE I SPOKE TO THE CHAIR
MADAM CHAIR ABOUT THIS MORNING
BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS A VERY
IMPORTANT BILL. RIGHT? AND HOW
DO WE FIX THIS? HOW DO WE COME
TO THE TABLE? SO AND IT WAS
BROUGHT UP? YOU KNOW BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RUBIO ABOUT
MAYBE GETTING TOGETHER AND
HAVING MORE FOLKS AND I WOULD
LOVE TO BE ADDED TO THAT TO THAT
LIST. AH, BUT I MEAN, WHAT? WHAT
IS WHAT IS THE ANSWER? YOU KNOW,
HOW DO WE GET MORE FOLKS TO
REALLY BE AT THE TABLE SO THAT
WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. THAT'S
JUST THAT'S A QUESTION QUESTION
. OKAY THANKS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF
IT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION IN
AN ACTUAL QUESTION. YOU ANSWERED
IT. YOU DIDN'T KNOW? OF COURSE.
SORRY REACHING OUT, BUT I MEAN
IN THE AUDIENCE RIGHT HERE THAT
ARE LISTENING. AND YEAH, UM, YOU
KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE
INFORMATIONAL MEETING THAT WE
HAD THAT WAS REALLY HEALTH HELP
HEARTFELT RIGHT FOLKS THAT WERE
SPEAKING. UM YOU CAN'T IGNORE
THEM, RIGHT? SO UM, NOW THAT WE
HAVE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM UP
HERE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HANDLE
AND WORK OUT? YOU KNOW, AND TALK
TALK ABOUT. I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I YOU KNOW, I INVITE YOU TO
BE A PART OF THAT. I THINK
YOU'RE YOU KNOW, UM, THE THOUGHT
THAT'S GOING INTO THIS IS
ACTUALLY REALLY, REALLY
IMPORTANT. AND SO YOU KNOW THE
CONVERSATIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING
RIGHT, SO SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID
JUST LIMITED TO THE EXAMPLE OF
SHASTA RIGHT THE CURTAILMENT
THAT THEY VIOLATED THE
CURTAILMENT ORDER. YOU KNOW,
ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE HEARD,
UM AND MORE LAST YEAR THAN THIS
YEAR FROM SOME OF OUR
COLLEAGUES, ESPECIALLY IN THE
NORTHERN PART OF THE STATE IS
THE ILLEGAL GROWERS THAT ARE
DIVERTING WATER ILLEGALLY OFF
THE RIVERS. RIGHT THAT'S NOT A
CURTAILMENT ORDER. THAT'S JUST
ILLEGAL STEALING OF WATER. RIGHT
SO THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THAT
MAY BE BY THE WAY THAT IT HAD
BEEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE
SAYING, JUST DO THE SHASTA
EXAMPLE. THAT'S NOT THE ONLY
EXAMPLE THAT WE KNOW OF TODAY OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE MISUSING WATER,
RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE INCORPORATE
ALL THOSE THAT AGAIN? I THINK
THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE
. YOU KNOW SOMETHING ALL OF US
BELIEVE SHOULD BE FIXED. MAYBE I
DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR
EVERYBODY. BUT PAST MAJORITY OF
US AGREE THAT ILLEGAL GROWERS
AND BE STEALING WATER. UM SO YOU
KNOW, SO HOW DO WE MAKE IT? SO
IT INCLUDES THOSE TYPES OF
THINGS AS WELL? WHICH I THINK WE
SHOULD. AND SO NOT TOO NARROW.
BUT ALSO YOU KNOW IF WE'RE
ENDING HOUSING, NOT TOO BROAD,
RIGHT? SO YOU KNOW AGAIN, I I'VE
HAVEN'T FULLY BEEN ABLE TO GRASP
WHY THIS WOULD IMPACT HOUSING
AND WHAT IN THE LANGUAGE NEEDS
TO CHANGE IF THAT WERE THE CASE,
BUT THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN
. AND THOSE ARE THE
CONVERSATION. SO HOW DO WE DO
THAT? YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE
BEEN TRYING TO TALK TO DIFFERENT
AGENCIES THAT HAVE COME TO US IN
A MORE CONSTRUCTIVE STANCE. YOU
KNOW, I'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS
WHERE PEOPLE HAVE JUST WANTED TO
COME IN AND TELL ME HOW THEY
HATE WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE
, AND I'M LIKE, AND AS YOU KNOW,
OUR COLLEAGUES SAID, I
INTRODUCED IT BECAUSE I LIKED IT
RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY
TRUE OF ALL OF US. WE INTRODUCED
THE BILLS WE THINK ARE GOOD.
PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE WITH US. BUT
YOU KNOW IF I THINK I'M TRYING
TO DO SOMETHING GOOD HERE, I
NEED YOU TO COME TO ME AND HELP
ME DO IT RIGHT. RIGHT RATHER
THAN JUST TELL ME I SHOULDN'T DO
IT. THAT'S NOT A PRODUCTIVE
CONVERSATION. AND SO THAT'S THE
TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS WE'VE BEEN
TRYING TO HAVE. AND SO YOU KNOW
, HOW DO WE DO THAT? I THINK WE
CONTINUE TO ASK PEOPLE TO DO
THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT I SAID TO
SOME OF YOU? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT
IN CONVERSATION WITH EVERY WATER
AGENCY THAT'S FAIRLY IMPOSSIBLE
GIVEN MY TIME CONSTRAINTS, BUT
YOU KNOW, UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD
FROM SOME OF THEM, AND I'VE
TALKED TO OTHERS ASKED THEM LIKE
WHAT? GIVE ME MORE SPECIFICS.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT?
AND I THINK YOU GUYS THAT'S WHY
I SAID, I LOVE YOU AT THE TABLE.
I THINK YOU CAN HELP ME GET
THOSE SPECIFICS FROM YOUR LOCALS
THAT I CAN'T MEET WITH
INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE I WOULD
HAVE NO TIME FOR ANYTHING. UM SO
I THINK IT IS USING ALL OF OUR
POWER ACROSS THE STATE. WE
REPRESENT. SAN DIEGO TO THE
NORTH TO THE SAN JOAQUIN VALLEY
TO THE BAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, I
THINK WE HAVE THE POWER TO
UNDERSTAND THIS AND WORK
TOGETHER TO GET IT RIGHT. I
THINK WITH THE OPPOSITION SIDE
MENTIONED ABOUT EVEN LIKE LET'S
HAVE THOSE TALKS ON THE ON THE
FINES. HOW DOES DISCUSSIONS
RIGHT? SO YEAH. ADD ME TO THAT
LIST OF WORKING WITH SOMEBODY,
RUBIO AND WHOEVER WANTS TO BE
PART OF THAT. THANK YOU
OPPOSITIONS RIGHT HERE, SO LET'S
LET THEM TO RESPOND A LITTLE BIT
. I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO
SOMETHING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
THEY'RE AN EXAGGERATION. I THINK
THE VAGUENESS OF WHAT ALLOWS THE
BOARD TO TRIGGER THE REVIEW IS
PART OF THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? WE
THIS IS WE CAN SAY ITS TO IMPACT
THE BENEFICIAL USE, BUT THERE'S
ALREADY A BALANCING STRUCTURE
THAT OCCURS WHEN THESE WATER
RIGHTS ARE ESTABLISHED. SO TO
PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH THE
AUTHORITIES TO SAY, OH, THERE'S
AN IMPACT OF ONE PARTICULAR USE
VERSUS ANOTHER, AND NOW WE'RE
GOING TO IMMEDIATELY CURTAIL OR
HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT ACTION WITH
WHAT WE BELIEVE IS ACTUALLY KIND
OF A BLACK BOX OF DUE PROCESS IN
THE BILL IS PROBLEMATIC, AND
THAT'S HOW IT IMPACTS
POTENTIALLY NON ILLEGAL DIVERT
EAR'S BECAUSE IT WAS SO WE ARE
TOTALLY NOT SUPPORTIVE OF
ILLEGAL DIVERSIONS OF WATER, YOU
KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE THE STATE
WATER PROJECT WHERE PROBABLY THE
MOST MONITORED ENTITY IN THE
STATE, AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT,
AND WE DON'T LIKE THAT OTHERS
ARE ILLEGALLY DIVERTING WATER.
SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S
NOT A PROBLEM. BUT I THINK THE
FACT IS, IS THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT PUBLIC TRUST DOCTRINE, OR
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BENEFICIAL
USES WERE KIND OF ELIMINATING
THE BALANCING FEATURES THAT ARE
INHERENT IN THE WATER RIGHTS
SYSTEM AND HOW THOSE WATER
RIGHTS ARE ESTABLISHED. SO
THAT'S PART OF THE VAGUENESS
THAT CREATES THE UNCERTAINTY
ACROSS ALL OF THE WATER RIGHTS
USERS, AND THAT'S UM, MENTIONED
IN A COUPLE OF PLACES IN THE
BILL OF JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF
ALLOWING THE BOARD TO SAY, HEY,
THERE'S A THERE'S A THERE'S AN
IMPACT. OKAY BUT WHAT WHAT IS
THE BALANCING ACROSS ALL OF THE
OTHER USES WHAT'S HAPPENING AND
THAT IMPACT, THEN TRIGGERING AN
IMMEDIATE ACTION OF CURTAILMENT
THAN WITHOUT ANY SORT OF
POTENTIAL. UM YOU KNOW,
OFFSETTING, UM. YOU KNOW, I'M
I'M CHECK ESSENTIALLY ON THE
BOARD. SHOULD THEY GO AHEAD AND
TAKE THAT ACTION PREMATURELY OR
WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THAT
BALANCING SO I GUESS THAT'S MY
PLAIN LANGUAGE WAY OF EXPLAINING
IT. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO
THAT'S HOW I'M UNDERSTANDING IT
SO AND I THINK AS IT RELATES TO
HOUSING, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT
SAYING IT'S GOING TO STOP ALL
HOUSING. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT
WATER AGENCIES ARE FACING A HUGE
AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY BECAUSE OF
THE HYDROLOGY, RIGHT. WE'RE ALL
AGREEING TO THAT. WE'RE SEEING
IT. WE'RE FEELING IT. AND WE'RE
TRYING TO PLAN FOR HOW DO YOU
CAPTURE AND STORE AND MOVE WATER
AROUND? HOW DO YOU DEVELOP WATER
SUPPLY PORTFOLIOS THAT CAN BE
RESPONSIVE TO THAT HYDROLOGY
WHEN WE ADD AN UNCERTAINTY
AROUND THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE
, YOU KNOW, AROUND OUR WATER
RIGHTS. IT'S JUST ANOTHER LAYER
OF UNCERTAINTY THAT YOU'RE
PLANNING AGAINST, AND IT MAKES
IT REALLY CHALLENGING TO BE ABLE
TO COUNT ON THAT. IF YOU THINK
OVER HERE, THE BOARD AT ANY TIME
CAN ESSENTIALLY DECIDE THAT MY
BENEFICIAL USE IS NOT AS
IMPORTANT AS ANOTHER. AND
ESSENTIALLY MAKE A CURTAILMENT
ORDER EVEN ON ON ILLEGAL
DIVERSION, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS
IS APPLICABLE. THIS ISN'T JUST
ABOUT ILLEGAL DIVERSION. THIS
COULD BE ON ANYTHING THE BOARD
DEEMS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE
PUBLIC TRUST DOCTRINE OR WITH
OTHER OTHER KIND OF GUIDELINES
AND PRINCIPLES THAT AREN'T
REALLY WELL DEFINED IN THE LAW.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE UNCERTAINTY
COMES FROM. SO I DON'T WANT TO
EXAGGERATE NO HOUSING. I DON'T
THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M SAYING PLANNING FOR OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER OR
OTHERWISE, IT'S REALLY
CHALLENGING WHEN THERE'S NOT A
CERTAINTY IN THE REGULATORY
STRUCTURE, AND THE BILL
INTRODUCES A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY.
THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO,
UH MEMBER DOLLY THANK YOU. UM SO
THIS DIRECTLY AFFECTS MY
DISTRICT AND I THINK THE ONE OF
MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THE POWER
OF THE WATER BOARD. AND GIVING
THEM MORE BROADEN SCOPE. SO I'VE
WRITTEN A FEW NOTES. DON'T
ILLEGAL TAKING OF WATER. SO I,
UM, SPOKE TO A LOT OF WORK. IT'S
PROBABLY BEEN CLOSE TO TWO YEARS
AGO ZOOMED WITH THEM. PHOTOS OF
50 WATER TRUCKS TODAY GOING TO
THE GROWTH AND THEY TOLD ME THEY
HADN'T THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY
JUST COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT
THAT, AS MY COMMUNITY IS SAYING
WE'RE WATCHING WATER GO, AND SO
IT'S INCREDIBLY PASSIONATE.
REGION LET'S JUST SAY SO. SOME
OF THE THINGS IN THIS MAKES THEM
VERY NERVOUS COMING ONTO YOUR
PRIVATE PROPERTY. UM WHAT KIND
OF SCOPE IS YOU KNOW THE
WATERBOARD GOING TO HAVE? WHAT
IS? WHAT IS OUR AUTHORITY GOING
TO BE? UM SOME OF IT IS
ACCIDENTAL. YOU CAN THEY SENT
THE WATERBOARD SENT NOTICES TO
EVERY USER AND INSIST YOU COUNTY
AND TOLD THEM TO CURTAIL WATER.
AND I GOT THOUSANDS. YOU KNOW?
EXCUSE ME. HUNDREDS OF CALLS
ALREADY HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
. UM UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE, YOU
KNOW, STRESSED, AND THEY HAD A
WELL IT WAS. IT WAS A IT WAS A
LETTER THAT WAS SENT INCORRECTLY
THAT STIRRED UP ALL OF THIS. YOU
KNOW, CHAOS AND CONCERN, SO I'M
I THINK PROBABLY MY BIGGEST
CONCERN IS TO ACTUALLY GIVE THE
WATER BOARD MORE AUTHORITY MAKES
ME VERY NERVOUS BECAUSE, UM, AND
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, ALSO. SO
READING THROUGH ALL THIS VERY
DEEP, YOU KNOW, TRY. I KNOW
YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT VERY
DETAILED. AND I KNOW NONE OF US
WANT BAD ACTORS. THAT'S IT'S
HAPPENED AND, YOU KNOW,
DIFFERENT TIMES IN MY DISTRICT,
AND IT COMES FROM I'M NOT
EXCUSING ANY OF THAT, BUT ALSO
COMES FROM A LOT OF FRUSTRATION
OVER AND COMING AS THEY SEE IT
AFTER THEIR WATER, RIGHT, SO
IT'S YOU KNOW. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY
, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO
SUPPORT IT SAY, BUT I AM HOPEFUL
THAT AS IT MOVES FORWARD, YOU
WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM
OPPOSITION AND TAKE YOU KNOW, UM
AND HAVE SOME REALLY, YOU KNOW?
IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE
WATER IS ITS LIFE FOR OUR WHOLE
STATE, AND, UM, AND ALL OF US
FEEL VERY PASSIONATELY ABOUT IT
AND DIFFERENTLY. I'M WERE
FARMERS WERE DRY LAND FARMERS.
BY THE WAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY
IRRIGATION. BUT ANYWAY, SO, UM,
THANK YOU FOR THE YOU KNOW THE
COMMITMENT FOR CONTINUED
DISCUSSION. AND, UM AND AGAIN,
WE JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I
JUST WANT TO SAY BAD ACTORS ARE
NOT ONE ANY OF US WANT TO SEE,
BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES ILLEGAL
MARIJUANA GROWS BECAUSE 50 WATER
TRUCKS A DAY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
I MEAN, I WORKED WITH CHP. I
WORKED WITH EVERYONE TO STOP
THAT, AS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MY
VALLEY. WALLS ARE GOING DRY. SO
THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO
BRIEFLY. THANK YOU. I MEAN, I
THINK PART OF WHAT YOU TAUGHT ME
A LOT ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE
STATE. SO APPRECIATE THAT. ALL
RIGHT, REMEMBER SHADOW. UM I
JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I KNOW
IT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE. WE HAD
THIS SPECIAL HEARING WHERE WE
HEARD ABOUT THE SHAFTS. EXAMPLE
I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE
ROOM ARE VERY FRUSTRATED WITH
THE FARMER. WHO MADE THOSE
COMMENTS NOW BECAUSE IT'S COMING
BACK TO REALLY BITE PEOPLE, BUT
IT REALLY SPEAKS TO PART OF THE
PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS NOT
REAL FEAR OR PENALTY FOR
STEALING WATER FROM THE REST OF
US, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM, YOU
KNOW? AND, UM AND SO YOU KNOW, I
FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF
CONSENSUS AROUND. THERE IS A
REAL PROBLEM HERE. WE HAVE TO
FIGURE IT OUT. UM I HEAR THE
CHALLENGE THAT YOU'RE FACING
THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY
COMING TO THE TABLE AND ERNEST,
WHICH IS VERY FRUSTRATING, AND
SO I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION
THAT'S HAPPENING TODAY AND
POINTING OUT REALLY SPECIFIC
THINGS WHERE THERE ARE CONCERNS
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS
TO HAPPEN TO BE ABLE TO MOVE
THIS FORWARD IN A PRODUCTIVE
WAY. UM YOU KNOW, AGREE WITH ALL
OF MY COLLEAGUES, OBVIOUSLY,
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SHUT DOWN
FARMING. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO
SHUT DOWN HOUSING, WHICH IS A
PRIORITY FOR ALL OF US. UM, WE
ALSO NEED WATER TO LIVE AND WE
HAVE TO PROTECT THAT AS MUCH AS
WE CAN AS WELL AND SO, UM, YOU
KNOW, SO THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU
KNOW, HUGE, LONG LIST OF OPPOSE
HERE BUT NOT OPPOSED IF AMENDED.
AND SO YOU KNOW, I AM HOPING AND
I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
CONSENSUS HERE THAT PEOPLE WILL
REALLY COME FORWARD IN EARNEST
WITH SOLUTIONS AND WITH
SUGGESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE
THIS SHAPE THIS IN A WAY THAT
WILL GET AT THE GOAL THAT
THERE'S A LOT OF AGREEMENT WE
NEED TO GET TO AND SOLVE A
PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED.
UM BUT ALSO INCORPORATE AND
ADDRESS SOME OF THE YOU KNOW,
VALID CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE
, UM NONE OF US MAKE PERFECT
BILLS. THERE'S ALWAYS
IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE
AND THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE WHEN
PEOPLE COME TO THE TABLE AND
HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. UM SO I
JUST WANT TO JOIN MY COLLEAGUES
IN ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO REALLY
RAISE THOSE SPECIFIC CHANGES
THAT THAT FOLKS NEED. UM I THINK
THAT THEY NEED TO SEE HAPPEN, UM
AND APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS
TO, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THIS GOING
FORWARD AND HAVE THOSE
CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE CHANGES.
THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE TO GET
AT THE GOAL OF WHAT THIS IS, UM
AND YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO SUPPORT
IT TO SEE THIS CONVERSATION
CONTINUES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU REMEMBER PELLERIN?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UM AND
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD. I
KNOW OUR WATER ISSUES IN
CALIFORNIA ARE COMPLEX AND
COMPLICATED. AND, UM YOU KNOW,
WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, AND
WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SEE
CONTINUING ILLEGAL, UH,
CURTAILMENT OF WATER, AND BUT WE
ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
DEALING WITH THE IMPACTS AND
MAKING SURE THAT AG AND HOUSING
AND OUR FISH HAVE THE WATER THAT
THEY NEED TO SURVIVE AND THRIVE.
AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONCERNS
FROM MY LOCAL WATER DISTRICTS IN
MY DISTRICT, AND UM AND I
APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS RAISED
TODAY BY MY COLLEAGUES AND I
ECHO THEM AS WELL. I HAD ONE
QUESTION HERE FROM THE DISTRICT
THAT I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND. IT
SAYS WOULD A B 4 60 ALLOW THE
STATE WATER BOARD TO DEVELOP NEW
ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND THEN
IMPOSE THEM BY INTERIM RELIEF
ORDER. I SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT
HEAD MOVEMENT. YEAH I DON'T
KNOW. YEAH. SO NO, IT DOESN'T
MEAN SOMEONE'S RAISING THAT.
PLEASE RAISE IT WITH ME. SO SO
HERE'S MY COMMITMENT. I'M GOING
TO REACH OUT TO MY DISTRICT. I'M
GOING TO GET MORE INFORMATION
FROM THEM AND VERY SPECIFIC
QUESTIONS AND THEN BRING THEM
FORWARD TO YOU. AND I DO THINK
YOU ARE LIKE THE ABSOLUTE BEST
PERSON TO BE HEADING UP THIS
DISCUSSION IN THIS BILL BECAUSE
YOU ARE GOING TO DO THE DUE
DILIGENCE AND WORK WITH THE
OPPOSITION TO MAKE SURE THAT
THESE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED SO UM
, YOU KNOW, SO WITH THAT I WILL
BE SUPPORTING THE BILL TODAY TO
CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AND I
WILL DO MY PART TO REACH OUT TO
MY DISTRICTS TO GET MORE
CONCRETE CONCRETE INFORMATION AS
FAR AS WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE
SO WE CAN ADDRESS THEM AND
REALLY HAVE THE BEST POSSIBLE
BILL AND I THINK I'LL JUST SAY I
MEAN AGAIN, I TRIED AND THANK
YOU TRIED TO GET IT TO LIMIT IT
TO CURRENT LAW THAT AND I THINK
AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE ASKED
EVERY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. I
ASKED WHEN PEOPLE COME IN TO
MEET WITH ME IS DO YOU THINK
THIS I UNDERSTAND THE VAGUE
NATURE USED A DIFFERENT WORD OF
CAMERA EXACTLY YOUR WORD. BUT IF
THAT WORKS THE LEGAL TERM NO,
I'M TELLING YOU, IT WORKS BETTER
WHEN IT'S NOT LAWYERS. UM BUT
YOU KNOW THE DISCUSSION AROUND.
IS IT TOO VAGUE, BUT THEY HAVE
NOT SAID THAT I'VE INCLUDED
ANYTHING IN HERE THAT IS NOT
CURRENT LAW. SO IF THEY BELIEVE
THAT NEW STANDARDS ARE YOU KNOW
REGULATIONS WOULD BE MADE OUT OF
THIS. THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT. UM
AND SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT GOD
SORRY, GENTLEMEN FROM KALTAG
KIND OF I'M INTERESTED IN THIS
IN THE SIDE TO SIDE DISCUSSION
KIND OF FROM ALL OF YOU THAT IF
YOU GET ALL ELABORATE AND SHARE
WITH THE REST OF US, I THINK
THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH I AGREE
WITH THAT ASSESSMENT. UM THE
ONLY THING I'LL ADD, IS THAT OF
COURSE, IF THIS BILL IS PASSED,
INTERIM RELIEF COULD BE
ASSOCIATED WITH POTENTIALLY
OTHER BILLS THAT ARE PAST IN THE
FUTURE. THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL
WHAT FUTURE LEGISLATURES WOULD
DO WITH THAT. SO I THINK THE
ANSWER IS NOW AND I THINK IF
YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK IN THE
FUTURE AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE CAN
DO WITH THE WATER CODE, THEN I
WOULD LOVE SOME OF YOUR TIME
BECAUSE I GOT A FEW OTHER
QUESTIONS ON THE FUTURE. WELL I
WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK TO THE
MY EARLIER POINT ABOUT YOU KNOW
YOU HAVE A LEGAL DIVERT
ILLEGALLY DIVERTING PERSON. BUT
THIS THE BILL KIND OF SAYS TO
THE BOARD. HEY IF YOU THINK
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE BEING
IMPACTED, YOU CAN STOP IT RIGHT
AWAY. THAT IS WHERE WE THINK
THERE COULD BE SOME POTENTIAL
FOR ADDITIONAL STANDARDS TO BE
ESTABLISHED UNDER UNDER THE BILL
, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M NOT. IT'S
NOT EXPLICIT, BUT I JUST THINK
THAT THE LACK OF CLARITY ABOUT
WHAT THE BOARD'S ACTUAL
AUTHORITY IS AND WHEN THEY CAN
ACTUALLY TAKE THIS ACTION AND
THE FACT THAT IT IS IMMEDIATE
WITH WHAT WE THINK IS NOT DUE
PROCESS CAN ESSENTIALLY, YOU
KNOW DE FACTO ESTABLISH NEW
RULES FOR LEGAL DIVESTITURES OF
WATER. AND I AGREE WITH WITH
THAT, UM, THANKFULLY. YEAH I
THINK THEY'RE THESE ARE EXISTING
LEGAL DOCTRINES. THEY HAVE NO
STANDARDS. IT'S NOT LIKE THE
ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT, THE
CLEAN WATER ACT WHERE WE HAVE
DEFINED STATUTORY STANDARDS FOR
A VIOLATION IN COMPLIANCE. THESE
ARE BROAD POLICY DIRECTIVES, THE
REASONABLE USE DOCTRINE. THE
PUBLIC TRUST DOCTRINE, THOSE
MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS IN
DIFFERENT WATERSHEDS AT
DIFFERENT TIMES. AND SO THE
UNCERTAINTY IS THAT THERE IS NO
STANDARD. UM AND SO THE WATER
AGENCIES DON'T KNOW WHETHER
THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE TODAY
BASED ON SOMETHING THAT MIGHT
COME OUT OF AN INTERIM RELIEF
ORDER. PERHAPS IT'S IN A
DIFFERENT WATERSHED. THESE ARE
THE AMBIGUITIES THAT ARE CREATED
BY BY SOME OF THE STANDARDS
AGAINST WHICH AND EAST INTERIM
RELIEF ORDER COULD BE ISSUED. I
HAD ANOTHER QUESTION TO. YOU HAD
EARLIER SAID THAT YOU THOUGHT
THE STATE WATER BOARD HAD
SUFFICIENT POWERS AS IT IS. WHY
DIDN'T THEY STOP THE SHASTA
DIVERSION PRIOR TO 20 DAYS? I
DON'T KNOW. UM. IT STOPPED
WITHIN EIGHT DAYS. ACTUALLY UM
THE WATER USERS STOP ILLEGALLY
DIVERTING, UM, THEY COULD HAVE
GONE AND GOT A TEMPORARY
RESTRAINING ORDER, AND I THINK
THEY TESTIFIED IN YOUR
INFORMATIONAL HEARING. UM THAT
THEY WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN ADVANCE
NOTICE BEFORE THE UNAUTHORIZED
DIVERSION OCCURRED. I DON'T KNOW
WHY THEY DIDN'T GO TO COURT. UM
THEY ISSUED A PRESS RELEASE THE
DAY THAT THE UNAUTHORIZED
DIVERSION BEGAN. UM AND. THEY
ISSUED A CEASE AND DESIST ORDER
AFTER 20 DAYS BECAUSE AS I
UNDERSTAND IT THE UNAUTHORIZED
DIVERTED AND NOT ASK FOR A
HEARING. UM I WILL ADD THAT THE
HERO PROCESS REQUIRES THE BOARD
TO GO TO THE A G S OFFICE IN
ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. UM I
DON'T AGAIN. I DON'T THINK ANY
OF US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
WATER BOARD. I DON'T THINK SO. I
CAN'T. WE CAN'T SAY BUT I WILL
SAY GENERALLY, UM, THAT THERE'S
NO GUARANTEE THAT THE A G S
OFFICE HAS THE BANDWIDTH, THEIR
ABILITY TO RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS
WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE IN
THE BILL. THE CURRENT LAW HAS IT
SET UP FOR THE WATERBOARD CAN
TURN AROUND AND GO DIRECTLY TO
THE A G. THE A G CAN TAKE
IMMEDIATE ACTION. AGAIN IT GETS
INTO THE BANDWIDTH ON TIMING AND
HOW SOON DIFFERENT AGENCIES
INTERACT AND ACT. BUT BUT THE
POWER DOES EXIST ON OUR CURRENT
LAW. WELL THANK YOU. ALL THIS
HAS BEEN REALLY INFORMATIVE, AND
I'M VERY GRATEFUL. REMEMBER
WEBER? CHECKING MAKE SURE IT'S
STILL MORNING. UM. GOOD MORNING
, EVERYONE. I WANT TO START BY
THANKING THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL. THIS IS A VERY, VERY
COMPLICATED ISSUE. UM I
APPRECIATE THE INITIAL
INFORMATIONAL HEARING THAT WE
HAD IN THIS COMMITTEE. UM AND
ALL OF THE VOICES THAT HAVE COME
TODAY. I HATE THE FACT THAT I
HAD TO PRESENT UM, A BILL IN
ANOTHER COMMITTEE, SO I WASN'T
ABLE TO BE HERE THE ENTIRE TIME.
UM YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL HERE. WE
SHOULD ALL BE HERE TO CREATE
GOOD POLICY FOR THE ENTIRE
STATE. AND IN ORDER FOR US TO BE
ABLE TO DO THAT, IN WHATEVER
AREA WE ARE PRESENTING BILLS IS
THAT WE MUST HAVE COLLABORATION
AND COOPERATION WITH ALL PARTIES
THAT WILL BE INVOLVED. AND I
THINK WHAT I HAVE SEEN PRIOR TO
COMING TO THIS LEGISLATIVE BODY
IS THAT WHEN WHAT I CALL BAD
BILLS OR WHEN BILLS GET OUT THAT
HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T
LOOKED AND COME TO THE TABLE TO
TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE POTENTIAL
OUTCOME. AND AS I'M SITTING HERE
, AND I'M LISTENING TO THINGS
LIKE YOUR EXPLANATION OF HOW IT
COULD IMPACT HOUSING BECAUSE OF
THE BROADNESS AND VAGUENESS.
THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
AND I'M THINKING LIKE I WISH
THAT CONVERSATION HAD HAD BEFORE
WE GOT HERE TODAY. UM, ONCE
THESE BILLS ARE PUT OUT, THAT'S
REALLY WHEN PEOPLE SHOULD BE
READING THROUGH THEM SHOULD BE
COMING TO THE TABLE SHOULD BE
HAVING CONVERSATIONS. UM SO THAT
WHAT WE CREATE COULD BE THE BEST
BILL POSSIBLE FOR ALL CALIFORNIA
. REGARDLESS IF YOU LIVE IN THE
NORTH, IN PART OR IN THE
SOUTHERN PART OR IN THE IN THE
MIDDLE PART OF THE STATE BECAUSE
WE ALL NEED WATER. IT'S
IMPORTANT. IT'S ESSENTIAL TO
LIFE. WE CAN'T HAVE IT WITHOUT
WE CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT WATER. UM
SO YOU KNOW WHAT MY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. MY COLLEAGUE
SAID. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SHIAVO
SAID, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION, YOU
DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED. I DON'T
THINK THAT ANYONE ON THE
OPPOSITION CAN SIT HERE AND SAY
THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY IS
WORKING FOR EVERYONE WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT THE ILLEGAL DIVERSION
FOR MARIJUANA USE. I'M SURE THAT
THAT IS IMPACTING PROBABLY EVERY
SINGLE ONE OF THESE AGRICULTURAL
GROWERS, SO WE CANNOT SIT HERE
AND SAY THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING
TODAY? IS THE RIGHT PROCESS. THE
QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT
PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO COME TO
THROUGH THE TABLE TO CREATE
SOMETHING THAT WORKS
UNDERSTANDING THAT NO ONE'S
GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THAT
THEY WANT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET
EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT. AND
THE OPPOSITION WON'T DO
EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT. BUT
AT THE END OF THE DAY, SOMETHING
HAS TO BE DONE. SO I'M REALLY
I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO SUPPORT
TODAY BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE
CONVERSATION TO CONTINUE. UM,
BECAUSE IT HAS TO CONTINUE. IT
MUST CONTINUE FOR US TO BE ABLE
TO SURVIVE AS A STATE. UM AND MY
HOPE IS THAT, UM EVERYONE WILL
COME TO THE TABLE AND BE ABLE TO
ARTICULATE UM WHAT THE ISSUES
ARE AND WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE.
YOU KNOW, I SPOKE WITH MY STAFF
AND SHE SAID, OH, WE'VE GOT YOU
KNOW SOME PEOPLE WHO'VE COME IN
OPPOSITION. I SAID, WELL, WHAT
IS THE ALTERNATIVE? WHAT
ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE. WHAT
ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS HAVE THEY
OFFERED, AND THE ANSWER WAS
NONE. AND THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
SO UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS BILL. MY
EXPECTATION IS THAT EVERYONE
WILL COME TO THE TABLE BECAUSE
THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. SO
YOU MIGHT AS WELL COME TO THE
TABLE SO THAT ONE IS CREATED
WORKS FOR EVERYONE. AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT WILL
HAPPEN ONCE. UM PEOPLE DO JUST
DECIDE TO ENGAGE. UM AND NOT
THINK THAT THIS CAN JUST BE
STOPPED JUST BY SAYING THIS IS A
BAD BILL. SO THANK YOU. AND I
ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CONTINUE
THE CONVERSATIONS, WHETHER IT'S
IN LEGAL TERM OR IN LAYMAN'S
TERMS. I LOVE HOW YOU YOU YOU
ARTICULATED. BECAUSE IT MAKES A
LOT OF SENSE. BUT IF YOU DON'T
BRING THOSE TO THE TABLE THAN
YOU CAN'T FIX IT. SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, DOCTOR. THANK YOU
REMEMBER WHERE I BELIEVE, MR
HART? YEAH I THINK EVERYBODY'S
COMMENTS TODAY. THIS HAS BEEN
REALLY INFORMATIVE. I'VE VIVIDLY
RECALL READING THE NEWSPAPER
ARTICLE LAST YEAR ABOUT THE
SHASTA RIVER WATER DIVERSION AND
THINKING AT THE TIME TO BE A LAW
TO FIX THAT. AND SO I WANT TO
THANK THE AUTHOR FOR TAKING ON
THIS CHALLENGE. THIS IS NOT AN
EASY THING TO DO. AND UM, THE
SHASTA RIVER DIVERSION. PUT HER
FACE ON THE FACT THAT, UM IT'S
REALLY JUST THE COST COST
CALCULATION TO DO BUSINESS TO
VIOLATE THE ORDER TO PRESERVE
THEIR THEIR RANCHING ENTITY, AND
THAT'S WE GOTTA FIX THAT. THAT'S
SPECIFICALLY THE PROBLEM. I
THINK THAT IS THE MOST URGENT
THAT THIS LEGISLATION NEEDS TO
GET AT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE
HOW THE WATER DISTRICTS AROUND
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WITH
UNCERTAINTY AND AMBIGUITY AND A
REALLY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES,
DELIVER WATER TO ALL OF US TO
AGRICULTURE AND URBAN USERS.
IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB AND
REQUIRES LONG TERM INVESTMENTS
ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, AND IT IS A
DELICATE BALANCING ACT. THAT WE
DON'T WANT TO UPSET, SO WE GOT
TO FIGURE OUT BETWEEN THESE TWO
PLACES WHERE THERE'S AN
EGREGIOUS VIOLATION THAT
EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES, YOU KNOW,
COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED BETTER
AND UNRAVELING THE STATE'S WATER
SYSTEM AND AFFECTING HOUSING.
AND I THINK YOU KNOW THIS IS THE
MOMENT TO DO THAT. AND THIS IS
THE VEHICLE AND ITS. WE'RE IN
THE PROCESS OF MAKING THE CHANGE
AND MAKING THE BILL BETTER. AND
WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD AND DO
THAT, AND I SUPPORT HAVING THAT
CONVERSATION AND GETTING THIS
BILL GOING SO QUÊ. ALL RIGHT. MY
TURN. I'VE GOT TWO PAGES OF
QUESTIONS. AH NO, IT'S THIS IS A
VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION. AND AS
WE ALL KNOW, TOO OFTEN. IT'S
DIFFICULT TO GET EVERYBODY IN
THE SAME ROOM AND OUR SCHEDULES
GET BUSY, AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S
SCHEDULES GET BUSY AND OFTEN
TIMES. THE PLACE WHERE WE HAVE
THE PRIMARY DISCUSSION IS HERE
AT THESE TABLES. AND, UM I KNOW
THAT THE AUTHOR WILL BE WORKING
WITH EVERYBODY MOVING FORWARD ON
THIS. UM. MY PRIMARY CONCERNS.
UH, DEFINITELY GET INTO THIS
DEFINITION. ISSUE WITH
AMBIGUITY. UM I THINK WE ALL
UNDERSTAND THAT. NOT BEING ABLE
TO DO BUSINESS WITH A CERTAINTY
CREATES A HUGE PROBLEM. UM AND I
WANTED TO ASK MS PIERRE. IF YOU
WOULD KIND OF EXPAND BECAUSE MY
ONE OF THE LARGER CONCERNS. I
FEEL IS THE WATER COMMUNITY OVER
THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES,
ESPECIALLY SINCE SIGMA AND
EVERYTHING ELSE. WE HAVE DONE A
LOT OF WORK WITH VOLUNTARY
AGREEMENTS. AND I HAVE A LOT OF
CONCERNS THAT SOMETHING LIKE
THIS WILL GET PEOPLE TO STEP
AWAY FROM THE TABLE. SO IF YOU
COULD JUST EXPAND ON THAT A
LITTLE BIT FOR US, UM, BECAUSE
GETTING PEOPLE TO COME TO
DISCUSS INTO VOLUNTARILY MAKE
AGREEMENTS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING
WITH WATERS HAS BEEN A HUGE
DIFFICULTY IN THIS STATE, AND I
THINK WE'VE DONE A LOT OF REALLY
GOOD WORK THERE. AND I'M I KNOW
THERE'S CONCERNS. UM AMONGST
MULTIPLE PEOPLE AND CONTRACTORS
ON WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO. YES
SO, UM, I DIDN'T MENTION THAT
BEFORE, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER
ISSUE AGAIN. WHEN THERE'S
UNCERTAINTY IN THE SYSTEM, IT
MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO
MAKE COMMITMENTS, WHETHER THAT'S
AN INFRASTRUCTURE OR
INVOLUNTARILY PROVIDING MONEY
AND WATER, WHICH IS THE BASIS OF
THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT. SO YOU
KNOW THAT'S AN AGREEMENT WHERE
MORE THAN 90% OF WATER USERS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE HAVE SIGNED
ONTO THE MOU AND THAT WE'RE
MOVING FORWARD WITH AS A WAY TO
ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL NEEDS IN
OUR WATER RIGHTS SYSTEM. THAT
REQUIRES DIFFERENT WATER
AGENCIES WITH DIFFERING LEVELS
OF WATER RIGHTS, SENIOR WATER
RIGHTS AND JUNIOR WATER RIGHTS
ACROSS THE STATE TO MAKE
COMMITMENTS OF WATER OVER A SET
TERM. IT'S SET FOR EIGHT YEARS.
BOTH THE POTENTIAL EXPANSION FOR
15 IF THERE'S UNCERTAINTY ON
WHEN THE BOARD CAN ACTUALLY
REGULATE, YOU KNOW THE WATER
THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO USE,
EVEN THOUGH THE VOLUNTARY
AGREEMENT, I THINK IT CREATES
UNCERTAINTY AND PERHAPS UM, YOU
KNOW, UM. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT
TO REPRESENT THAT ANY WATER
USERS WILL WALK AWAY. BUT YOU
KNOW, I THINK THAT THEY WOULD
HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK WITH
IT. IF THIS BILL WERE TO PASS AS
IT IS WITHIN, YOU KNOW HOW THE
VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT AND WHAT
THEY'VE MADE COMMITMENTS TO WHAT
THE RISKS ARE AFFILIATED WITH
ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS THAT MAY
BE CAUSED BY THIS BILL AND HOW
THAT MIGHT DISRUPT PEOPLE'S
WILLINGNESS TO MAKE THE
CONTRIBUTIONS OF WATER WHICH AT
THIS POINT, AND IN THE MOU IS
NEARLY A FULSOME LAKES. FOR THE
AMOUNT OF WATER BEING DEDICATED
TO THE ENVIRONMENT. SO UM, THIS
HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DEFINITELY
DISRUPT THOSE DISCUSSIONS. YEAH,
I'LL JUST, UM. I APPRECIATE THAT
PERSPECTIVE, AND THAT QUESTION
UM PALTROW DOES 60 PLUS ON THE
GROUND PROJECTS, THE VAST
MAJORITY OF WORK IN SISKIYOU
COUNTY IN SHASTA COUNTY. UM ARE
THOSE ON FARM EFFICIENCY
PROJECTS WHERE WE WORK WITH
RANCHERS AND AGRICULTURAL WATER
USERS. WE ALSO WORK IN THE
CENTRAL VALLEY WORKING WITH RICE
GROWERS. UM UH, AS THIS BILL WAS
BEING PRESENTED JUST OVER THE
LAST SIX MONTHS THAT WE'RE
CONSIDERING THIS AND OTHER WAS
WORKING WITH US AS A CO SPONSOR.
UM WE'VE HAD THREE REALLY
IMPORTANT PROJECTS BE DONE IN
THE CENTRAL VALLEY. WE HAD A
REVERSE AUCTION THAT OCCURRED
THAT WE HAD ABOUT 35,000 ACRE
FEET WORTH OF WATER WE COULD
SUPPLY TO THOSE AGRICULTURAL
LANDS. THOSE RICE FIELDS. WE HAD
80,000 ACRES WORTH OF
APPLICATIONS. UM JUST RECENTLY
IN THE SCOTT VALLEY. WE, UH WE
JUST GOT ABOUT. I THINK IT'S $8
MILLION FROM DFW TO SUPPORT A
PROJECT THAT WORKS ON FARMERS
DITCH AND RANCHERS IN THAT AREA
. UM THOSE FOLKS DIRECTLY STATED
THAT THIS LEGISLATION WAS
ACTUALLY PART OF THE REASON THEY
ENTERED THAT AGREEMENT BECAUSE
OF THE CERTAINTY THAT OUR
RESTORATION PROJECTS AND THE
WATER RIGHTS THAT WE USED TO PUT
IN STREAM FLOW WHILE CREATING
INDUSTRY DEFICIENCIES. UM SO
WOULD SURVIVE THE TEST OF TIME,
SO I ACTUALLY THINK THAT
LEGISLATION THAT CAN PUT FORWARD
REAL MEANINGFUL CHANGES THAT
ACTUALLY IN MY MIND, CLARIFY
THAT WATER RIGHTS WILL BE
ENFORCED, ACTUALLY INCENTIVIZE
VOLUNTARY AGREEMENTS. PLACE TO
BE. IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THE
LAST SIX MONTHS. WE SUPPORT
WATER RIGHTS ENFORCEMENT. FOR
SURE. I THINK THE QUESTION IS,
IS THE PROCESS AND THE BILL?
SOMETHING THAT UM IS IMPACTFUL,
POTENTIALLY TO NON ILLEGAL
DIVERTER, AND I THINK THAT'S
WHAT WE NEED TO WORK ON. SO I'M
GONNA ASK. FINAL QUESTION, AND
I'M GONNA GO INTO MY CLOSING
STATEMENT. THE CONVERSATION
ABOUT. AMBIGUITY AND I'M GONNA
ASK FOR FROM CAL TROUT, AND THEN
I'M GONNA ASK THE OPPOSITION
RESPOND AS WELL. IF YOU IF.
WELL, THAT THIS GOES INTO WHAT?
WHAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT IN
JUDICIARY. IF YOU COULD DEFINE
IT. WITHOUT THE AMBIGUITY. WHAT
WOULD THAT PLANE PLANE TONGUE.
WHAT WOULD THAT BE? ALWAYS REFER
TO THE AUTHOR HERE, BUT I GUESS
I DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE
QUESTION. I'M SORRY, DID YOU I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU WEREN'T SO
THERE'S THE AMBIGUITY RIGHT ON
ON. WHAT WHAT THIS MEANS AND
WHAT WHAT THE SCOPE IS CORRECT.
SO IF YOU COULD DEFINE THAT, AND
I LOOKED AT AT YOUR SPONSOR FOR
IT, BUT I MEAN, DEFINE THE
AMBIGUITY OR WHAT ARE YOU TRYING
TO GET ME TO? JUST TO GET RID OF
THE AMBIGUITY IF YOU WERE TO IF
YOU WERE TO PUT A GUARDRAIL ON,
WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM HERE TO
HERE. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
THANK YOU. SORRY. I APOLOGIZE.
I'M NOT ON THREE WAYS, SO I
WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS
ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. UM SO
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT. AND AS I MENTIONED, YOU
KNOW, AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT TO
KIND OF DO THAT JUGGLE OF LIKE,
WHERE EXACTLY IS THAT LINE IS
ALSO REALLY UNDERSTANDING AGAIN
. UM THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU
TO GO TO COURT. I WANTED TO ASK
LEGAL USERS TODAY AND SAY
THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING BENEFICIAL
USE DOCTOR AND THEY'RE NOT
FOLLOWING ANY OF THE DOCTRINES
LISTED IN THIS BELL. SO LET'S BE
CLEAR ABOUT THAT RIGHT? AND SO
WELL. UM SO IF WE GET, I BELIEVE
IF WE GET THE DUE PROCESS
QUESTION, RIGHT? UM THAT HAVING
A SHORT TERM INTERIM RELIEF THAT
ALLOWS THOSE QUESTIONS TO BE
ANSWERED, UM, DOESN'T CHANGE THE
GAME IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY IN
THE LONG TERM. THAT IS NOT THE
POSITION OF THE OPPOSITION AS
YOU'VE HEARD, UM, AND SO WHAT
I'VE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND. LIKE I
SAID YESTERDAY, WHEN SOMEBODY
SAID TO ME THIS WOULD STOP ALL
OF OUR WATER PROJECTS BECAUSE OF
THE UNCERTAINTY, AND I SAID,
OKAY, HOW, LIKE STEP BY STEP
LIKE AT WHAT POINT IS IT IS IT
AND THEY SAID IT WAS FUNDING AND
I SAID, OKAY, WHEN DO YOU GET
THE FUNDING? WHAT YOU KNOW, SO
HELP ME LIKE AND I'M YOU KNOW,
AS YOU ALL HAVE LEARNED OVER THE
YEARS, I'M SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO
BE IN THE WEEDS. I REALLY LIKE
TO UNDERSTAND. LIKE WHAT POINT
IN THE PROCESS WE IMPACTING. HOW
ARE WE IMPACTING? HOW CAN WE
CHANGE THAT? AND I'M WORKING TO
GET THOSE ANSWERS. THAT GROUP
SAID THEY WANTED TO COME BACK TO
ME WITH MUCH MORE DETAIL, AND I
WOULD NEVER PUT SOMEONE ON THE
SPOT IN A MOMENT WHERE THEY
DON'T FEEL READY TO ANSWER THE
QUESTION. SO THEY'RE GOING TO
AND SO I DON'T YET. HAVE THAT
ANSWER. I'M TRYING TO GET MORE
INFORMATION. I'M TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND IN THE HOUSING
QUESTION WHERE WHERE IN THAT
PROCESS ARE WE INSERTING THE
UNCERTAINTY, CAN WE? IF WE
SHORTEN THE TIMELINE GETS YOU
INTO COURT FASTER, LIKE I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS? YES,
BECAUSE I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND
WHERE SORT OF IN THE BROAD SENSE
. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T IN
THE DETAILS, AND SO THAT'S WHAT
I'M TRYING TO GET. SO I DON'T
YET HAVE THE ANSWER. I
APOLOGIZE. IF THE OPPOSITION CAN
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, I'M
PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT HERE,
BUT IT'S A BIGGER DISCUSSION,
AND IT'D BE GREAT FOR ALL OF US
TO KIND OF KNOW WHAT DIRECTION
AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. YEAH
I THINK FOR US, WE'D WE'D ASKED
THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENTLY. WHAT WHAT IS THE
BILL TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? UM IF
THE ISSUE IS WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE SHAFT VALLEY? THAT'S ONE
CONVERSATION IF WE WANT TO
EXPAND THE BOARD'S AUTHORITY
INTO THESE OTHER AREAS OF LAW IF
WE WANT TO ELIMINATE JUDICIAL
REVIEW, THAT'S A DIFFERENT
CONVERSATION. SO I THINK THE
PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING IS
THAT THE STATED PURPOSE OF THE
BILL IS TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION
THAT SHASTA VALLEY BUT VERY
LITTLE OF IT ACTUALLY DID THAT
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT REMEDIES FOR
THE STATE WATER BOARD TO CREATE
DISINCENTIVES TO UNAUTHORIZED
DIVERSION. SO LET ME LET ME
POINT MY QUESTION. AGAIN. IF YOU
WERE TO DEFINE THAT SKULL RATHER
THAN JUST DEFEND MYSELF. I'M
ASKING YOU GUYS. WE THINK THIS
EXPANDS THE BOARD'S AUTHORITY SO
THAT THEY CAN THINK WITHOUT ANY
CHECKS AND BALANCES. I THINK
REGULATE ON THOSE OF US THAT ARE
NOT ILLEGALLY DIVERTING. THAT'S
OUR THAT IS THE CONCERN ALONG
WITH I THINK THAT THE PROCESS
FEELS LIKE A BLACK BOX IN A WAY
THAT EXPANDS THE BOARD'S
AUTHORITY. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE
ISSUE FOR US ON THE DUE PROCESS
PIECE. SO HOW YOU SCRAP THE
LANGUAGE AROUND THAT TOO? THAT'S
THAT'S IN PART WHY YOU'RE NOT
HEARING AMENDMENTS FROM US
BECAUSE WE JUST THINK THERE
ISN'T AN ACTUAL ISSUE WITH THE
BOARD'S AUTHORITY OF SCOPE. AND
THEY DO HAVE THE CURRENT
AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS THIS NOW AS
IT RELATES TO THE FINES AND THE
SHAFT ISSUE AND ILLEGAL
DIVERSIONS. THERE ARE ISSUES
THERE. UM BUT THAT DOESN'T
NECESSARILY THAT'S THAT. THOSE
ARE A SMALL PART OF WHAT'S IN
THE BILL. SO I THINK THAT'S THE
CONCERN THAT WE'RE HAVING IS
LEGAL GOVERNORS OF WATER IS THAT
THE BOARD IS GETTING A MUCH
EXPANDED SCOPE WITHOUT A PROCESS
THAT HAS A LOT OF LIGHT ON IT.
THAT'S OUR PERSPECTIVE OF THE
LANGUAGE. THAT HELP? YEAH. I'M
TRYING TO SAY MY YEAH, SORRY.
OKAY. SO NOW I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO UM, STEPPING INTO THE LEGAL
SIDE, RIGHT? I'M NOT A LAWYER,
EITHER. SO YOU'RE STATING THAT
THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO
DEAL WITH ILLEGAL DIVERT EAR'S,
BUT THAT AUTHORITY IS TO JUST GO
TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. IS THAT
THE CASE? WHAT IS IT THERE'S OR
TO DEAL WITH IT IN AN EXPEDITED
MANNER. THAT'S WHAT I WANT. I
DON'T WANT THEM TO DEAL WITH IT.
30 DAYS DOWN THE LINE, RIGHT?
LIKE SO I WAS TALKING. MAYBE IT
WAS A STATEMENT. I WAS LIKE I'M
A DOCTOR. RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE,
YOU KNOW YOU NEED A HYSTERECTOMY
BECAUSE YOU'RE BLEEDING OUT
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. I'M
NOT GONNA SAY YOU'RE BLEEDING
OUT. I'M GOING TO DEAL WITH YOU
IN 20 OR 30 DAYS AND YOU'RE NOT
GONNA WANT THAT EITHER. RIGHT
SO, UM I GUESS MY QUESTION IS,
WHAT IS THE EXPEDITED PROCESS
FOR THEM TO DEAL WITH IT? WELL
THE EXPEDITED LEGAL PROCESS FOR
ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION IS TO
GO TO COURT AND GET A TEMPORARY
RESTRAINING ORDER THAT'S
AVAILABLE TO THEM. THEY COULD
ALSO ALSO ISSUE A CEASE AND
DESIST ORDER, WHICH IS WHAT THEY
DID. THAT DOES TAKE 20 DAYS.
UNDER CURRENT LAW, THAT'S WHAT
DUE PROCESS REQUIRES. UM NOW THE
OTHER INCENTIVES. SORRY SO I'M
NOT I DON'T TAKE PEOPLE TO
COURT. I DON'T MEAN TO
INTERRUPT. SO HOW LONG DOES THAT
PROCESS TAKE? SO IF I WANT TO GO
AND GET A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING
ORDER, LIKE HOW WHAT IS THE
PROCESS? SO I DECIDED TODAY. HOW
LONG DOES THAT TAKE? IT COULD
TAKE HOURS. UM IT'S NOT A
LENGTHY PROCESS. WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT SISKIYOU COUNTY AS WELL
WHERE THEY COULD HAVE GONE INTO
COURT RIGHT AWAY. UM, THERE,
THERE'S A JUDGE THAT WOULD HAVE
HEARD UM THEY'RE EX PARTY MOTION
ON A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER
. I YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME TIME
INVOLVED, BUT THERE'S ALSO TIME
AND ISSUING AND ADMINISTER
INTERIM RELIEF ORDER AND THE
REMEDY FOR VIOLATION OF THE
INTERIM RELIEF ORDERS TO GO TO
COURT AND GET A RESTRAINING
ORDER OF SOME SORT. SO UM,
ULTIMATELY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE SAME REMEDY. ONE IS
ADMINISTRATIVE. ONE IS IN COURT.
THE COURTS ARE LOOKING AT A
TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER
APPLICATION MUCH DIFFERENTLY
THAN THE STATE WATER BOARD. NOW
IN THE CASE WHERE SOMEBODY'S
ILLEGALLY DIVERTING AND
VIOLATION OF A DULY ADOPTED
STATE WATER BOARD ORDER, WHICH
WAS THE CASE UP IN THE SHASTA.
NO, I WAS POINTING NORTH. NO, NO
, NO, I THINK I THINK NORTH.
THERE'S MORE TO THIS WAY,
POINTING EVERYTHING POINTING
NORTH. THE VIOLATION. THERE WAS
NOT OF THE PUBLIC TRUST
DOCTRINE. IT WAS NONE OTHER
REASONABLE USE DOCTRINE OF THE
STATE WATER BOARDS. REGULATION
AND THE IMPLEMENTING ORDER.
THAT'S WHAT WAS VIOLATED. AND SO
AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING
AROUND IN CIRCLES ON THIS, BUT
WE COULD WE COULD TALK ABOUT YOU
KNOW, IN IMPROVING THE BOARD'S
REMEDIES TO ACT MORE EFFICIENTLY
AND MORE STRONGLY AGAINST
CLEARLY UNAUTHORIZED DIVERSION
VIOLATIONS. OF. DULY ADOPTED
STATE WATER BOARD ORDERS. UM
WHAT THIS BILL DOES, UM. IN
LARGE PART IS DEAL WITH THESE
OTHER DOCTRINES THAT OKAY. HAVE
NO STANDARDS. SO THANK YOU FOR
EXPLAINING. SO, UM I'M GOING TO
JUST GO OUT ON A LIMB AND ASSUME
EVEN ASIAN EVER FILM THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO PROVIDE THAT LANGUAGE
TO THE AUTHOR FOR HER TO LOOK AT
AND REVIEW BECAUSE I'VE HEARD A
LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS SO IT
CAN GO HERE CAN GO THERE CAN GO
TO THE A G. UM THAT TO ME JUST
SEEMS LIKE A LENGTHY PROCESS
BECAUSE GOING TO THE A G IS NOT
EASY AND HAVING HIM INTERVENE OR
DECIDED HE OR HIS PEOPLE OR
WHOEVER GOING TO INTERVENE. THAT
DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. UM
WHILE WE'RE STILL HAVING EITHER
ORDERS THAT ARE NOT, UM UH,
BEING FOLLOWED OR ILLEGAL
ACTIVITY HAPPENING, SO THAT'S
THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS LIKE
WE DON'T AND IN OTHER AREAS, WE
CAN'T WAIT WHEN THERE'S A
PROBLEM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS
SYSTEM ALLOWS FOR A LENGTHY WAIT
TIME BEFORE. UM RELIEF IS
HAPPENING, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT
YOU'LL GIVE HER THAT THAT
LANGUAGE TO HELP OUT. BUT THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR EXPLAINING THAT.
ALRIGHT I SAW MR BENNETT THROWS
HANDBAGS, SO LET'S LET'S KEEP IT
BRIEF. IF WE CAN. WE'RE
APPROACHING CLOSING. UM QUICK A
QUICK TOO QUICK QUESTIONS FOR
YOU. AND THEN I DO HAVE A
COMMENT OF ONE OF MAKING ASK OF
THE AUTHOR, BUT, UM, DOES IT
WORK IN REVERSE? ALSO IF THE
WATER BOARD IS GIVEN THIS
AUTHORITY CAN PEOPLE GET
TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDERS IF
THEY FEEL THAT THEY WATERBOARD
HAS DONE SOMETHING
INAPPROPRIATE? WELL, THIS BILL
WOULD ELIMINATE THE BILL, AS
CURRENTLY AMENDED WOULD
ELIMINATE THE RIGHT TO GET A
RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST THE
STATE WATER BOARD. AND IF AND IF
AND IF THAT AMENDMENT IS
DROPPED. IF THAT LANGUAGE IS
DROPPED, AND TEMPORARY
RESTRAINING ORDER WOULD BE A WAY
THAT PEOPLE COULD TAKE ACTION
AGAINST THE WATER BOARD. IF THE
WATER BOARD IS DOING SOMETHING
THAT THEY BELIEVE IT'S
INAPPROPRIATE. IS THAT CORRECT?
AYE. AND IN SOME PROCEEDINGS, IT
WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GET A
RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST AN
ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY FOR
EXCEEDING THEIR AUTHORITY. UM
THAT'S A HIGH BAR. BUT TEMPORARY
RESTRAINING ORDERS DO EXIST
AGAINST REGULATORY AGENCIES. IF
PEOPLE BELIEVE THE REGULATORY
AGENCIES DOING SOMETHING, AND
THE COURT FINDS THAT THAT'S
GOING TO BE INAPPROPRIATE, BUT
IF YOU COULD MEET THE STANDARD
FOR ISSUANCE OF IT TEMPORARY
RESTRAINING ORDER BALANCING, YOU
KNOW THEIR RELATIVE IMPACT,
ETCETERA HAVE TO BE TROTTERS
EXACT SAME QUESTION. YEAH, WE'RE
JUST LOOKING AT THE AS YOU CAN
SEE IT SCRAMBLING THROUGH OUR
PAGES WERE JUST LOOKING AT SOME
OF THE SECTIONS OF 84 60. AND IF
YOU LOOK AT SECTION UM OR LINE
26. UM. PAGE 11. THANK YOU IS
FURTHER THE INTENT OF THE
LEGISLATURE THAT THE COURTS
ASSERT JURISDICTION AND EXERCISE
DISCRETION TO FASHION
APPROPRIATE REMEDIES PURSUANT TO
SECTION THREE D NINE OF THE CODE
OF CIVIL PROCEDURE TO FACILITATE
RESOLUTION OF STATE WATER RIGHTS
ISSUES AND STATES. COURSE WE
BELIEVE THAT ADDRESSES THAT.
AGAIN. YOU SAID PAGE EXCUSE ME.
YEAH. SORRY. PAGE 11 LINE, 26.
SORRY FOR THE MUMBLING. AND I'LL
JUST ADD WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT
11 26. I THINK I'VE SAID, AND I
CAN SAY AGAIN. DESPITE THE
ASSERTIONS OF THE OPPOSITION AS
A FORMER JUDICIAL BRANCH
LITIGATOR I DID NOT INTEND. NOR
DO I BELIEVE I GOT RID OF ALL
JUDICIAL REVIEW. SO I JUST THAT
ASSERTION IS AMAZING TO ME. AND
IF HE BELIEVES I DID, SO I WOULD
I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING
HOW GREAT. SO YOU ARE COMMITTED
. YOU'RE COMMITTED TO NOT
BELIEVE IN JUDICIAL REVIEW. YES,
SIR. THANK YOU. AND SO? SO I
WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT TO
THE EXTENT THAT THE WE TAKE THE
AUTHORS, YOU KNOW, COMMITMENT.
UH IT'S SERIOUSLY WHICH I
CERTAINLY DO. THAT THE SAME
REMEDY COULD COULD APPLY ANOTHER
WORDS, UM, THE ARGUMENT BEING
THAT THE WATER BOARD SHOULD HAVE
GONE AND GOTTEN A TEMPORARY
RESTRAINING ORDER, AND THAT
SITUATION COULD BE DONE IF THE
WATER BOARD DOES SOMETHING. THE
AGGRIEVED PARTY COULD ALSO GO
AND SAY, HEY, WE THINK THE WATER
BOARD HAS SUCCEEDED THERE
AUTHORITY ETCETERA, OR THAT THE
WATER BOARD'S ACTION IS NEEDS A
TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER
BECAUSE OF THE OF THE IMPACTS
JUST OFFER THAT AS AS THE
OPPOSITE SOLUTION THAT IS THERE
, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH
WITH TWO COMMENTS. ONE IS THAT,
UH, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE'RE
GOING TO MEET AGAIN AT FIVE
O'CLOCK TODAY BECAUSE WE KNOW
THE TWO BIG BILLS THAT WE HAVE
IN FRONT OF US TODAY. WE'RE
GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME. AND I
THINK THAT FOR US TO RUSH THIS
PROCESS IS CERTAINLY
INAPPROPRIATE WHEN WE HAVE THESE
KIND OF TECHNICAL CONVERSATIONS
, UM AND IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT
WE DIG DOWN AND I REALLY WELCOME
THAT WE'VE HAD A BACK AND FORTH
, WHICH DOESN'T HAPPEN AT
COMMITTEE HEARINGS VERY OFTEN.
YOU DID IT EXCELLENT JOB OF
ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF
EXAGGERATION, YOU KNOW, LEADING
TO HOUSING BY TALKING ABOUT HOW
YOU GOT THERE. IN OTHER HEARINGS
, WATER HEARINGS IN PARTICULAR.
UM WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT
OPPORTUNITY OR WE IT HASN'T
HAPPENED WHERE PEOPLE HAVE
ENABLED TO CLARIFY HOW THEY GET
TO THIS IS AND THINGS SO THAT'S
WHAT'S BEEN GREAT ABOUT THIS
PROCESS. SO WHAT I THINK WILL BE
MY FINAL COMMENT, UM, DEPENDING
ON HOW THE REST OF THIS
CONVERSATION GOES, IS THAT WE
ARE ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE AS I
STARTED OFF BY SAYING WE ARE
MOVING INTO AN ERA WHERE THERE
IS GREATER RECOGNITION THAT
WATER IS A PUBLIC RESOURCE
CONTROLLED BY THE CITIZENS OF
CALIFORNIA. AND THE ISSUE OF
PRIVATE WATER RIGHTS AND THIS
PUBLIC RECORD THIS RECOGNITION
OF PUBLIC WATER BEING A PUBLIC
RESOURCE IS GOING TO TAKE TIME
TO TRY TO WORK THAT OUT. BUT AS
IT BECOMES MORE RECOGNIZE THAT
IT IS A PUBLIC RESOURCE, IT
NEEDS MORE PUBLIC OVERSIGHT. IT
CAN'T JUST BE THE OLD DAYS WHERE
THE SENIOR WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS
GO AND SUE THE JUNIOR WATER
RIGHTS HOLDERS, AND WE JUST RELY
ON THE OLD DOCTRINES AND,
ADMITTEDLY BY THE OPPOSITION
THAT DON'T HAVE THE STANDARDS
THAT ARE OUT THERE. WE ACTUALLY
NEED MORE STANDARDS. WE NEED
MORE REGULATION BECAUSE THIS IS
A PUBLIC RESOURCE THAT IS OUT
THERE. THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO TRY
TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS, AND IT IS
NOT EVER GOING TO BE CLEAN.
EASY, QUICK. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU
DO THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO
MOVE INTO THIS NEW ERA OUT THERE
, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE THAT. THEY'RE CLOSING
STATEMENT. ARE WE READY? I'D
LIKE TO GET BACK INTO INTO SOME
OF MY STUFF I ALLOWED. REMEMBER
QUESTION IS AS IT CAME UP
BECAUSE IT'S AGAIN. THIS IS PART
OF HAVING THAT ROBUST
CONVERSATION, MR ASHER. AND WHY
, WHAT WHILE I'M SHARING THE
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
HAVING A ROBUST CONVERSATION,
SO, MR BENNETT, I APPRECIATE
YOUR YOUR COMPLIMENTS ON ME
RUNNING THE COMMITTEE. UM MY
FROM MY DISTRICT AND WHERE WE'RE
AT WE HAVE SMALL DISADVANTAGE
IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE
DEPENDENT ON SURFACE WATER, AND
WHEN THINGS GET DIVERTED WHEN
THINGS CHANGE UP. WE'VE
LITERALLY HAD CITIES THAT HAVE
UM CATTLEMEN, FOR EXAMPLE. I HAD
TO DO A CONTRACT WITH MOJAVE
WATER DISTRICT. WHO THEY DON'T
TOUCH AT ALL. UM ON WATER RIGHTS
TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY COULD
GET SURFACE WATER. UM AND THEN
THERE'S A PRISON OUT THERE. I
MEAN, THERE. THERE'S ALL THESE
DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COME INTO
PLAY. AND SO AS THIS MOVES
FORWARD. I'M DEFINITELY NOT IN A
POSITION TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT
IT TODAY, BUT I DO LOOK FORWARD
TO YOUR LEADERSHIP. UM. AND
WORKING WITH EVERYBODY AND
REALLY HONING DOWN ON SOME OF
THESE DEFINITIONS. UM BECAUSE
OUR OUR CITIES OUR COMMUNITIES
ACROSS THE STATE ARE WATER
CONTRACTORS OR AGRICULTURAL
PARTNERS. I THINK EVERYBODY
THAT'S AT THE TABLE WITH WATER.
AT THE END OF THE DAY NEEDS TO
KNOW THIS IS WHAT THE DEFINITION
IS. THIS IS WHAT THE ACTUAL RULE
IS, AND I THINK THE BIGGEST
PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE AND WATER
TODAY IS WE HAVE A DOCTRINE.
THAT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS IN
DIFFERENT PLACES TO DIFFERENT
PEOPLE THAT IS INTERPRETED
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. OPINION ON
WHERE YOU'RE AT AND WHAT LINE
YOU'RE LOOKING AT. IF I DREW A
SIX IN FRONT OF ME, I SEE A SIX
YOU SEE A NINE SOMEBODY ELSE
SEES A SQUIGGLY FACE. THAT'S THE
PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT
COMES TO WATER TODAY. AND. AS
THIS MOVES FORWARD, BECAUSE I'M
SURE YOU HAVE YOUR VOTES TODAY.
UM I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO
REALLY LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE
DEFINING. I ENCOURAGED THE
OPPOSITION. TO WORK WITH YOU AND
REALLY HONE DOWN. HOW WE CAN
MAKE THE SYSTEM BETTER. I DON'T
LIKE THE IDEA OF. A PRIVATE
CITIZEN OR BUSINESS HAVING TO GO
AND TRY TO FILE A RESTRAINING
ORDER AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT. I
THINK THAT LENDS US TO SOME VERY
HARMFUL ISSUES. UH ANYTIME THE
CITIZENS HAVE TO GO FIGHT
AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT,
ESPECIALLY IN COURT. IT SEEMS TO
BE A BIGGER MESS. UM, SO I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HONE IT
DOWN IN IN PLAIN LANGUAGE. WITH
THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
THANK YOU, MR VICE CHAIR FOR
LEADING US IN THIS ROBUST
CONVERSATION. UM AND I AGREE. I
ACTUALLY REALLY APPRECIATE ALL
THE QUESTIONS ALL THE THOUGHTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID TO OUR
COLLEAGUE FROM TRACY, WHERE ARE
YOU FROM? UH MR B. VALLAPUDUA UM
, WAS TRYING REMEMBER WHAT CITY
YOU LIVE IN STOCKTON? OUR
COLLEAGUE FROM STOCKTON'S, UM,
YOU KNOW, THIS IS WE EACH
REPRESENT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE
STATE WITH DIFFERENT WATER.
DIFFERENT WATER USES DIFFERENT
INTERESTS. UM OUR WATER COMES
FROM DIFFERENT PLACES UNDER
DIFFERENT WATER RIGHTS, AND IT'S
COMPLICATED. UM AND I THINK THAT
LIKE I SAID, WE ALL
FUNDAMENTALLY AGREE. UM YOU KNOW
THAT WE SHOULD ENSURE THAT ALL
RIGHTS HAVE MEANING THAT ALL
RIGHTS ARE ENFORCED THAT THOSE
THAT ARE FLOUTING THE LAW ARE
HELP TAKEN TO TASK THAT IS
SOMETHING I THINK IS REAL AND
MEANINGFUL. AND UM, THAT'S HARD
TO DO, AND IT'S HARD TO DO IN
THIS SPACE, ESPECIALLY, I THINK
PART OF WHAT I HEAR A LOT AND
PART OF WHAT WE SAW IN THE
OPPOSED RATHER THAN OPPOSING
LESS AMENDED. IS THIS REAL FEAR
OF CHANGE IN THE WATER SPACE?
AND YET I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE
SEEING COMING OUT OF THE
LEGISLATURE IS A REAL
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. THAT THE SYSTEM
ISN'T WORKING FOR ALL
CALIFORNIANS RIGHT NOW. AND PART
OF THAT IS WHAT YOU HEARD FROM
THE FOLKS WHO AREN'T SUPPORTING
THE BILL RIGHT THAT THE
UNCERTAINTY THAT EXISTS IN
TODAY'S WATER SYSTEM ISN'T
WORKING FOR FARMERS AND MISS
DOLLIES DISTRICT, RIGHT? AND SO
HOW DO WE CREATE A SYSTEM THAT
WORKS BETTER AND WORKS BETTER
FOR EVERY CALIFORNIA WHETHER
IT'S THE DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T HAVE SAFE
DRINKING WATER TODAY OR IT'S THE
FARMERS. THEY DON'T KNOW IF NEXT
YEAR THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR
ALLOCATION OF WATER THAT THEY
DEPEND ON TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND
TO FEED OUR STATE. ALL OF THAT
IS REALLY, REALLY CRITICAL, AND
WE NEED TO GET TO CERTAINTY. AND
IN ORDER TO GET TO CERTAINTY. WE
NEED TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IS
FOLLOWING THE RULES, AND THAT'S
WHAT THE BILL ATTEMPTS TO DO.
AND AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
BELIEVE I ENDED ALL JUDICIAL
REVIEW, BUT I MAY NOT HAVE
GOTTEN DUE PROCESS. UM RIGHT AT
THIS STAGE, AND IT'S SOMETHING
LIKE I SAID, I LOOK FORWARD TO
THE CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS, THE
INPUT FROM THE EXPERTS OF THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND OTHERS
TO TRY TO DO BETTER. THE ORDER
THAT HAPPENED ON THE SHASTA
RIVER I JUST WANT TO BE REALLY
CLEAR WAS UNDER THE PUBLIC TRUST
DOCTRINE UNDER WHAT IS IN THE
LAW TODAY THAT IS IN THE BILL.
AND SO HOW WE GET THIS RIGHT IS
COMPLICATED. BUT WE DON'T WANT
TO CREATE UNCERTAINTY THAT WILL
END THE PROJECTS OR THE
AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY OR THE
HOUSING THAT EACH OF US HOLDS SO
DEAR AND KNOWS THE CALIFORNIANS
NEED, BUT I TRULY TRULY BELIEVE
THAT WE CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE
WE ARE ENFORCING THE LAW IN AN
EXPEDITIOUS MANNER AS DR RUBBER
, I THINK DID SUCH A GOOD JOB OF
HITTING HOME THE IMPORTANCE OF
THAT. UM WHAT ALSO ENSURING THAT
WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE THINGS
GO. FORWARD AND I THINK IT IS
BETTER FOR ALL OF US. IT IS
BETTER FOR ALL OF US AND ALL OF
OUR COMMUNITIES. IF THAT IS THE
CASE, AND WITH THAT, I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU AGAIN. IT'S AS WE LOOK
AT WATER RIGHTS WE'VE GOT WE'VE
GOT SENIOR IN JUNIOR. WE HAVE
WATER COMING ALL OVER THE STATE,
SO MEMBERS AT THIS TIME WE DO
HAVE A MOTION FROM MR WARD A
SECOND FROM MR BENNETT SECRETARY
CALLED THE ROLE UM, MAYBE 4 60
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO TO
JUDICIARY BARRICADE HAN. OH I
THANK YOU, CHRIS. BARRICADE
HANAI MATHIS. SNOW COLONIES,
BENNETT. BENNETT I DALI DALI.
NO. DAVIES DAVIES, NO FRIEDMAN
HEART. CHOLERA PELLERIN SALARY
AND I RUBIO RUBIO, NOT VOTING.
ALREADY A LITTLE OFF HERE. HOLD
ON ONE SECOND. SORRY. OKAY,
BROUGH. VÚI VILLE VALLAPUDUA
TODAY, BUT WILL BE WORKING.
OKAY. FOOD WOULD NOT VOTING
WARD. WARD I WEBBER WEBBER? AYE.
THE BILL IS ON CALL. WE'LL LEAVE
IT OPEN FOR MISSING MEMBERS.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR THE
ROBUST DISCUSSION. NEXT UP. WE
HAVE TO REMEMBER WICKS, AND I'M
SURE EVERYBODY'S GONNA SHUFFLE
AROUND HERE. JUST A MOMENT. THIS
WE, UH TURNED THE GAVEL OVER.
SOUNDS GOOD. THANKS FOR HANGING
IN THERE. OH, MY GOD. THANK YOU
BROUGHT ME JACKET. UM I KNOW.
THEY MADE IT COLD ENOUGH IN HERE
THAT WILL WANT TO MOVE
EXPEDITIOUSLY. OKAY UH, I'D LOVE
TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. THANK YOU.
MOTION BY MR MATH IS A SECOND BY
MS DAVIES. UM ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR IS A B 2 77 WITH
EMOTION DO PASS THE
APPROPRIATIONS. A B 6 12, YOU
PASSED THE APPROPRIATIONS A B 6
13 DO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. MAYBE 7 20 DO
PASS THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS 89
66 TO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
MAYBE 10 24 DO YOU PASS THE
APPROPRIATIONS? MAYBE 10 56 TO
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. 12 12 DO
PASS THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS.
MAYBE 16 11 DO PASTOR
APPROPRIATIONS. MAYBE 17 60 DO
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS AT ALL
THEM. YES GREAT. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR BOW
BAUER-KAHAN, AND I'M AT THIS ALL
UNEASE. BENNETT BENNETT. I DALI
DALI. I DAVIES DAVIES, I
FRIEDMAN HEART CHOLERA. PELLERIN
RUBIO RUBIO, I SHIAVO. PHILIP
YOU'D WATCH WHAT I WARD.
WHOEVER. HOWEVER, I. THAT'S OUT
NOW. WE'VE ALREADY MOVED. 11
BILLS. GOOD JOB COMMITTEE. UM SO
NOW WE'LL TAKE UP A B 13 37 MISS
WEEKS WHEN YOU'RE READY. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS. I HOPE
WE'RE ALL READY FOR ROUND TWO
HERE, BUT HOPEFULLY WILL BE A
QUICKER THOUGH VERY IMPORTANT
AND ROBUST CONVERSATION. AT ITS
HEART. A B 13 37 IS ACTUALLY A
PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD BILL AND
I'M OFFERING IT BECAUSE I
BELIEVE IN FAIRNESS AND EQUITY,
AND I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL
QUESTION THAT THIS BILL BEGS IS
DO WE BELIEVE THAT WATER IS A
PUBLIC? GOOD DO WE BELIEVE THAT
WE SHOULD HAVE WON REGULATORY
FRAMEWORK WITH WHICH WE ALL
OPERATE? UH AND THAT, ESPECIALLY
IN TIMES OF CRISIS IN TIMES OF
SHORTAGE. THAT WE HAVE A
REGULATORY BODY THAT CAN LOOK AT
ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL,
AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS AND
ENVIRONMENTAL NEEDS AND WEIGH
THOSE AGAINST EACH OTHER TO
CREATE A FRAMEWORK THAT IS
FUNDAMENTALLY BUILT ON EQUITY.
BEFORE CALIFORNIA PASSED THE
WATER COMMISSION ACT OF 1913,
OUR STATE'S WATER SYSTEM. WHAT
ARE RIGHT SYSTEM WAS INCREDIBLY
UNFAIR. IT WAS EXCLUSIONARY. IT
WAS SORT OF THE TEXTBOOK
DEFINITION OF SYSTEMIC RACISM
WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AND
PEOPLE OF COLOR LITERALLY
FORBIDDEN FROM OWNING THE LAND
THAT WAS NECESSARY TO ATTAIN A
WATER, RIGHT. BUT THAT WAS THE
LAW. AND THEN IN 1914, WE BEGAN
REGULATING OUR WATER SUPPLY AND
A MORE COMPREHENSIVE FASHION.
NOW, MORE THAN 100 YEARS LATER,
THOSE WHO HAVE INHERITED THE PRE
1914 WATER RIGHTS CLAIM FIRST IN
TIME, FIRST IN LINE, AND THEY
OPPOSED THIS BILL BECAUSE IT
WOULD SUBJECT THEM TO REGULATION
BY A STATE APPOINTED BODY, A
BODY APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR.
BUT THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY
INHERITED ILLEGAL RIGHT THAT IS
, I BELIEVE, FUNDAMENTALLY
PRIVILEGED AND FRANKLY
DISCRIMINATORY, AND I THINK IT'S
LONG OVERDUE FOR REFORM. THE
STATE WATER RESOURCE CONTROL
BOARD ALREADY HAS THE ABILITY TO
CURTAIL WATER USE IN ORDER TO
BALANCE LEGITIMATE DEMANDS FROM
RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL
BUSINESS AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT IT LOST A COURT CASE AGAINST
THE STATE. SAME ORGANIZATIONS
THAT OPPOSE THIS BILL, AND MAYBE
13 37 WOULD AMEND THE LAW UPON
WHICH THE RULING WAS BASED.
REFER YOU ALSO TO THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS HERE ON PAGE THREE AND
DISCUSSING THE REASONING BEHIND
THE RULING, THE COURT SUGGESTS
THAT THE TIME MAY BE RIGHT FOR
THE LEGISLATURE TO REVISIT THE
QUESTION OF WHETHER THE STATE
WATER BOARD SHOULD HAVE THE
BROADER AUTHORITY OVER PRE 1914
WATER RIGHTS. QUOTE. WHETHER
THIS APPROACH TO WATER RIGHTS IN
CALIFORNIA PRESENTS SOUND POLICY
AND A TIME OF INCREASING WATER
SCARCITY. IS A QUESTION FOR THE
LEGISLATURE. THE COURT CLEARLY
WAS OPENING THE DOOR PRETTY WIDE
FOR US, AND I BELIEVE IT'S TIME
THAT WE WALK THROUGH THAT DOOR
AND WE AS A BODY SHOULD DECIDE
HOW WE WANT TO CREATE EQUITY
WITHIN OUR WATER SYSTEM HERE. AS
THE BILL STATES, THE BOARD WOULD
ISSUE A CURTAILMENT ORDER FOR
ANY DIVERSION, REGARDLESS OF
BASIS OF RIGHT WHEN WATER IS NOT
AVAILABLE UNDER THE GOVERNOR'S
PRIORITY OF RIGHT IN OTHER
WORDS, IN TIMES OF SHORTAGE MEET
INCREASINGLY SEVERE BECAUSE OF
CLIMATE CHANGE WHEN CALIFORNIA
DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO GO
AROUND, EVERYONE NEEDS A
SACRIFICE. FAIRNESS AND PLAYING
BY THE SAME RULES. THAT IS
FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT THIS BILL IS
ABOUT. TESTIFYING IN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL TODAY ARE CODY PHILLIPS
WITH CALIFORNIA COASTAL KEEPER
AND BY PHONE. CYNTHIA CORTEZ
WITH RESTORED THE DELTA AND I
WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN
IPHONE. GOOD MORNING CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS CODY PHILLIPS WITH
CALIFORNIA COAST KEEPER ALLIANCE
. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK ON THIS BILL.
CALIFORNIA'S WATER AID SYSTEM IS
LARGELY BASED ON THE IDEA OF
FIRST IN TIME FIRST AND WRITE
THE STATE WATER BOARD, WHICH THE
CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT HAS
FOUND HIS CHARGED WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AND
ALLOCATION OF WATERS IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING THIS
SYSTEM. IN PART, THIS IS
ACCOMPLISHED BY PROTECTING
SENIOR WATER RIGHTS BY TELLING
JUNIOR APPROPRIATORS WENT TO
CURTAIL THESE CURTAILMENTS ARE
AN ESSENTIAL PART OF MANAGING
CALIFORNIA'S WATER RIGHTS SYSTEM
. AND IF JUNIOR APPROPRIATORS DO
NOT TELL THE SYSTEM BECOMES A
FREE FOR ALL, AND EVEN THE MOST
SENIOR WATER RIGHTS FACE
UNCERTAINTY. BECAUSE OF THE
TOTEMIC CASES DECISION DECIDED
LAST YEAR BY THE SIX APPELLATE
DISTRICT, THE WATER BOARD'S
AUTHORITY TO CURTAIL PRE 1914
WATER RIGHTS RIGHTS, WHICH
PREDATE THE WATER COMMISSION ACT
HAVE BEEN SEVERELY LIMITED.
WHILE THE BOARD CAN STILL
CURTAIL PRE 1914 WATER RIGHTS TO
PREVENT WASTE AND UNREASONABLE
USE, AND DURING A DROUGHT
EMERGENCY, WHICH IS DEFINED IN
VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES. THE
BOARD CANNOT CURTAIL JUNIOR PRE
1914 WATER RIGHTS WHEN THERE'S
NOT ENOUGH WATER TO SATISFY THE
MORE SENIOR PRE 1914 WATER
RIGHTS. BECAUSE PRE 1914 WATER
RIGHTS ARE ESTIMATED TO COMPOSE
40% OF THE STATE WATER RIGHTS BY
NUMBER AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A
3RD AND 40% BY VOLUME. THIS IS A
SIGNIFICANT GAP IN AUTHORITY.
MAYBE 13 37 DEALS WITH THIS IN
TWO WAYS. FIRST IT CLARIFIES
THAT THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY
TO PROMULGATE REGULATIONS AND
ISSUE CURTAILMENT ORDERS WHEN
WATER IS NOT AVAILABLE UNDER
DIVERT AS PRIORITY OF RIGHTS,
REGARDLESS OF THE BASIS FOR
THAT, RIGHT ON LIKE POST 1914
WATER RIGHTS, WHOSE PERMIT TERMS
REQUIRE CUTS ON IT WHEN THERE'S
NOT ENOUGH WATER, PRE 1914 WATER
RIGHTS DON'T HAVE PERMITS AND
NEED TO BE CURTAILED THROUGH
THESE ORDERS. SECOND IT MAKES
CLEAR THAT ANY UNAUTHORIZED USE
OF WATER IS A TRESPASS AND
ALLOWS THE BOARD TO ISSUE A
CEASE AND DESIST ORDER. WHEN
THAT TRESPASS OCCURS, AND THESE
ORDERS ARE SUBJECT TO THE
EXISTING NOTICE AND HEARING
REQUIREMENTS OF WATER CODE
SECTION 18 34. THIS BILL IS A
MUCH NEEDED SOLUTION TO THE
TOTEMIC CASES DECISION AND WILL
HELP ENSURE THAT THE MOST SENIOR
WATER RIGHTS IN THE SYSTEM ARE
PLAYING BY THE SAME RULES AS
EVERYONE ELSE. THANK YOU, AND WE
HAVE A WITNESS ON THE PHONE. I
BELIEVE MODERATOR. MODERATOR.
MADAM MADAM CHAIR. PARDON ME.
WHO IS IT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING
FOR? CYNTHIA CORTEZ. MS CORTEZ,
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. THANK YOU.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS CORTEZ. I AM. THIS IS
A POLICY ANALYST. I RESTORE THE
DELTA. BEYOND THAT I AM HERE. I
THINK CONCERNED RESIDENT OF
SOUTH DOCTSON, MY FAMILY AND I
LIVE IN STOCKTON, THE COMMUNITY
FACING FLOOD THREATS DURING WHAT
YEARS IT'S WARMED UP BY
PROLIFERATING HAVE INVESTED
WATER FOR HALF OF THE YEAR. ALL
ISSUES THAT COULD BE RESOLVED
WITH A WATER RIGHT TO FORM A
WATER RIGHTS SYSTEM THAT
PRIORITIZES THE BEST INTEREST OF
THE PUBLIC AND MEETS THE WATER
NEEDS OF LOCAL COMMUNITIES. WHY
ARE WE ALLOWING COMMUNITIES THAT
LIVE IN THE DELTA, ONE OF THE
LARGEST ESTUARIES IN THE U. S
COURT WATER QUALITY ISSUES THAT
CAN BE RESOLVED BY INCREASED
WATER FLOW. THE HURT CURRENT
WATER RIGHTS JUST UNDER
CALIFORNIA. IT'S ACTUALLY
ACQUITTED AND DOES NOT SERVE THE
PUBLIC. PUBLIC SPECIAL INTERESTS
IF THERE IS THE BEST INTERESTS
OF THE MAJORITY OF CALIFORNIA
WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS THAT ARE
91% WHITE MOUTH. THAT DOES NOT
ACCURATELY REPRESENT COMMITTEES
THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY
CURRENT WATER ALLOCATIONS,
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND THE
DELTA WERE NOT GIVEN THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE WATER
RIGHTS UNDER STATE LAW, AND THE
WATER RIGHTS SYSTEM CONTINUES TO
FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THAT
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES WHO USED
AND STEWARDED THE WATERWORKS
SINCE TIME IN MEMORIAL HAVE
PRIOR RIGHTS TO THE WATER. TODAY
SO CALLED SENIOR WATER RIGHTS
HOLDERS STILL HAVE A TIGHT GRIP
ON RIVER FLOWS, UM, CURRENTLY IN
TIMES OF DROUGHT. SENIOR WATER
RIGHTS HOLDERS ARE AUGUST AND
THEIR PORTION OF OUR ALLOCATIONS
WHILE LOCAL COMMUNITIES ARE
RESTRICTED FROM ACCESS TO WATER
AND ARE LEFT VULNERABLE TO
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. THIS
EXAGGERATES ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES
, AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL JUST
OPINIONS LIKE STOPPED AND
INCREASING PUBLIC. HEALTH
CONCERNS, ADDITIONALLY, AND WHAT
YEARS LIKE WE ARE SEEING NOW WE
HAVE TEMPORARY URGENCY CHANGE
PETITIONS THAT PROTECTS THE
ALLOCATION OF WATER FOR SENIOR
WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS,
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES IN THE DELTA ARE AT
THE MERCY OF THE DECISIONS BEING
MADE BY THE WATER BOARD AND
WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS. WHO NOW WE
, BUT WE NOW KNOW ARE MOSTLY
WHITE MALES WHO ARE PROTECTING
THEIR OWN PERSONAL INTERESTS.
THEY ARE NOT SAYING THAT IMPACT
ON OUR COMMUNITIES CAUSED BY
LACK OF FLOWS TO THE DELTA BY
WHAT THEY IT IS NOT THAT
COMMUNITY THAT ARE BEING
IMPACTED BY THEIR ACTIONS.
NOBODY WOULD WILLINGLY EXPOSED
NON ONLY EXPOSE THE FAMILY TO
ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH DELTA
ENVIRONMENTS WITH JUSTIN
COMMUNITIES WOMEN DELTA UNQUOTE
COALITION MEMBERS WHEN THEY WENT
TO SHINGLE SPRINGS, CALIFORNIA
SALMON AND LITTLE MANILA RISING
HAVE FILED A TITLE SIX COMPLAINT
OR PETITION FOR ROME. I THINK
WHERE WE ASKED FOR THE
CONCLUSION OF THE BAY DELTA PLAN
THAT INCLUDES WELL BASED AND
TEMPERATURE WIRE FOR CRITERIA.
THANK YOU COULD WRAP UP FORCE
MAGIC THAT THAT HAS BEEN CRAFTED
THROUGH EXCLUSIONARY POLICY
MAKING PROCESS BE WITHHELD AND
THAT COMMITTING OF THE DELTA
CONVEYANCE PROJECTS BE WITHHELD
UNTIL THE BDP ACHIEVED
COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TODAY. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. UM CAN I SUGGEST HAPPY TO
TAKE THE COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS?
YES. PERFECT. THANK YOU.
EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE. MAYBE
THAT CHANGES THINGS FOR YOU. UH
HUH. OKAY PRIMARY OPPOSITION IF
YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US UP HERE.
THANK YOU, AND WE'LL HAVE FOUR
MINUTES. YOU MAY SHARE IT AS YOU
SEE FIT. GREAT THANK YOU.
VALERIE KINCAID WITH PARIS
KINCAID MOSHINSKY LAW FIRM IN
SACRAMENTO THAT REPRESENTS
SEVERAL WATER USERS WANT TO
RIGHT HOLDERS? I'M HAPPY TO TALK
TODAY AND APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
WATER USERS THINK 13 37 WILL DO
AND WON'T DO. 13 37 EXPERIENCE
STATE WATER BOARD AUTHORITY OVER
HISTORIC RIGHTS IT DID NOT ISSUE
AND HAS NOT YET DEFINED 13 37
WOULD ALLOW THE STATE WATER
BOARD TO CURTAIL WATER USERS IN
ANY YEAR, NOT JUST EMERGENCY
YEARS. THIS ABILITY TO TAKE OVER
LOCAL SYSTEMS IN ANY YEAR WILL
ERODE THE INVESTMENT MAINTENANCE
AND ABILITY TO DELIVER WATER
SUPPLY RELIABLY. INVESTMENTS IN
SOLUTIONS ARE CRITICALLY RE
NEEDED RIGHT NOW TO FACE THE
CHALLENGE OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
INCREASED DEMAND FALTERING
RELIABILITY, AND IT IS NOT THE
TIME TO TAKE THESE SOLUTIONS OFF
THE TABLE. WHAT 13 37 WON'T DO.
13 37 WILL NOT IMPROVE STATE
WATERBIRD MANAGEMENT 13 37 DOES
NOT PROVIDE THE DATA TOOLS OR
KNOWLEDGE TO THE STATE WATER
BOARD TO RUN LOCAL SYSTEMS.
LOCAL SYSTEMS ARE COMPLEX AND
REQUIRE INTENSE DATA MANAGEMENT
AND INTRICATE UNDERSTANDING OF
OPERATIONS. WATERBIRD
CURTAILMENT CURRENTLY RELIES ON
OUTDATED INFORMATION AND
PROJECTED ESTIMATES RATHER THAN
REAL TIME DATA. IN THE DELTA
CURTAILMENT. THE STATE WATER
BOARD USED SIX YEAR OLD DEMAND
DATA SIX AND FLAWED SUPPLY
PROJECTIONS. THEY PUT THAT INTO
A SPREADSHEET TO DETERMINE AT
THE STAFF LEVEL WHETHER WATER
WAS AVAILABLE. THERE IS NO MODEL
NO ACTUAL MEASURED DATA, NO REAL
TIME DATA. NO ACCOUNTING FOR
RETURN FLOWS, NO UNDERSTANDING
OF TRANSFER AGREEMENTS AND NO
ACCOUNTING FOR LOCAL DEMAND
REDUCTION OR DROUGHT PLANNING
ACTIONS. BECAUSE THE STATE WATER
RELAX THE DATA IT NEEDS.
CURTAILMENT DATA IS CONSTANTLY
REVISED BASED ON UNILATERAL
DISCUSSIONS WITH WATER RIGHT
HOLDERS IN BACK ROOMS. THIS IS A
MAJOR DUE PROCESS VIOLATION AND
A TRANSPARENCY ISSUE WHICH THIS
LEGISLATION ENDORSES. IN SUMMARY
, 13 37 WILL REDUCE WATER SUPPLY
RELIABILITY REDUCE INVESTMENT IN
CRITICAL SOLUTIONS IT WILL ALLOW
FOR THE VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS
WILL NOT IMPROVING STATE
WATERBIRDS ABILITY TO MANAGE THE
SYSTEM. INCREASING THE FREQUENCY
WITH WHICH THE STATE WATER BOARD
MANAGES THE SYSTEM WITH
ANTIQUATED TOOLS IS NOT
MODERNIZATION. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY. I'M HAPPY TO WORK
WITH THE COMMITTEE ON ANY
IMPROVEMENTS. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING. GOOD MORNING CHAIR. I'M
MICHELLE REIMERS, THE GENERAL
MANAGER OF TURLOCK. IRRIGATION
DISTRICT. T I D IS THE OLDEST
IRRIGATION DISTRICT IN THE STATE
AND HOLDING THE ASSORTMENT OF
PRE AND POST 1914 WATER RIGHTS
THAT COVER DIVERSION STORAGE AND
POWER GENERATION. WE HOLD THESE
RIGHTS ON BEHALF OF OUR DIVERSE
COMMUNITY, WHICH 67% IDENTIFIED
AS MEMBERS OF RACIAL AND ETHNIC
MINORITY GROUPS, ACCORDING TO
THE U. S CENSUS. I'M VERY PROUD
TO LEAD AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS
FORWARD THINKING AND THAT LOOKS
FOR SOLUTIONS FOR THE FUTURE AND
DOES IT IN A COLLABORATIVE AND
TRANSPARENT FASHION. IN FACT, WE
HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE STATE ON
PROJECT NEXUS, THE FIRST IN THE
NATION PROJECT TO COVER A
PORTION OF OUR CANALS WITH SOLAR
PANELS. WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH
THE STATE TO CREATE THE FIRST
WATERSHED LEVEL CLIMATE CHANGE
MODEL AND TO TEST FLOOD MORE. WE
PARTNERED WITH NASA AND THE
STATE ON SNOWPACK MEASURING WITH
ATMOSPHERIC SNOW OBSERVATORY,
AND WE PARTNERED WITH THE
SCRIPTS INSTITUTE AND THE STATE
ON FORECAST INFORMED RESERVOIR
OPERATIONS A SYSTEM OPERATORS.
WE HAVE MADE THE INVESTMENTS IN
THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY AND
OPERATIONAL TOOLS TO BE THE BEST
STEWARDS OF THE RESOURCES THAT
IS INTERESTED TO US. WATER
SUPPLY CERTAINTY SITS AT THE
VERY CORE OF WATER AGENCY
PLANNING, HOUSING CREATION AND
THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WITHOUT THE CERTAINTY MY
COMMUNITY'S FUTURE AND OUR WAY
OF LIFE AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS
IS THREATENED. UNFORTUNATELY
HANDLING HANDING THE STATE WATER
BOARD SWEEPING CURTAILMENT
AUTHORITY AS PROPOSED IN A B 13
37 WOULD NOT LEAD TO MORE
EFFECTIVE AND RELIABLE
MANAGEMENT OF THE SYSTEM. BUT IT
WILL CREATE TREMENDOUS
UNCERTAINTY FOR WATER AGENCIES
AND THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.
I REALLY DO STRUGGLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT PROBLEM MAYBE 13
37 IS ATTEMPTING TO SOLVE
CURRENTLY NO. NO ONE CAN DIVERT
AN EXCESS OF THEIR WATER RIGHT
AND THE USER CANNOT DIVERT WHEN
THERE IS INSUFFICIENT WATER
AVAILABLE, MAYBE 13 37 WOULD
AUTHORIZE THE STATE WATER BOARD
TO ISSUE CURTAILMENTS IN ALL
WATER YEARS RATHER THAN JUST
DROUGHT EMERGENCIES. THIS YEAR
IS THE THIRD WETTEST ON RECORD
FOR THE TUOLUMNE RIVER WATERSHED
. SO WHY WOULD THE STATE WATER
BOARD NEED EXPANDED AUTHORITY TO
ISSUE CURTAILMENTS? IN A YEAR
LIKE THIS? IT'S HARD FOR ME TO
UNDERSTAND. THERE ARE WAYS TO
IMPROVE THE ADMINISTRATION OF
WATER RIGHTS SYSTEM BUT GIVING
THE STATE WATER BOARD
CURTAILMENT AUTHORITY AND ALL
YEARS COULD WRAP UP UNRELIABLE
AND UNPREDICTABLE WATER SUPPLY
FOR THE AGENCIES TASKED WITH
DELIVERING WATER FOR DRINKING
INDUSTRIAL USES AGRICULTURAL AND
ENVIRONMENTAL PURPOSES. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL
START WITH THE SUPPORT IN THE
ROOM. UM IF YOU WOULD COME UP
AND GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR
ORGANIZATION AND YOUR POSITION.
GOOD MORNING. AGAIN MEMBERS.
THIS IS MATTHEW BAKER, POLICY
DIRECTOR FOR PLANNING AND
CONSERVATION LEAGUE ALSO OCCURS
SPONSORED TO THIS BILL. WE
ACCEPT THE AMENDMENTS AND REMAIN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING, DANIEL BRAD ON BEHALF
OF UNION OF CONCERNED SCIENTISTS
AND SUPPORT DENIS O'CONNOR WITH
THE MONO LAKE COMMITTEE AND
SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING, MATT
CLIFFORD WITH TROUT UNLIMITED
AND SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING CLASS
A BASIC WITH CALIFORNIA TROUT
AND SUPPORT ALEX LYNN ARAMBULA
DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE AND
SUPPORT. I DON'T THINK MADONNA
WITH THE TRICYCLE PUBLIC LAND IN
SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING, ABRAHAM
AND DOES ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITY
WATER CENTER AND SUPPORT AND
ALSO ON BEHALF OF LEADERSHIP
COUNCIL FOR JUSTICE AND
ACCOUNTABILITY, CLEAN WATER
ACTION AND NATURAL RESOURCES
DEFENSE COUNCIL. THANK YOU. WE
WILL ACTUALLY TAKE OPPOSITION IN
THE ROOM FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL
GO TO THE PHONE. SO IF YOU WERE
HERE IN OPPOSITION IN THE ROOM,
JOIN US AT THE MIC AND AGAIN.
SAME RULES APPLIES NAME
ORGANIZATION POSITION. GOOD
MORNING, MADAM CHAIR. DON
GILBERT ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL UTILITIES
ASSOCIATION, SAN FRANCISCO
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION AND
ORANGE COUNTY WATER DISTRICT,
ALL THE POST. THANK YOU. JAMIE
MINOR ON BEHALF OF SANTA
MARGARITA MARGARITA WATER
DISTRICT, ALSO IN OPPOSITION.
PAUL YODA ON BEHALF OF THE
COUNTIES OF SOLANO, SAN JOAQUIN
AND STANISLAUS AND ALSO THE
SOUTH SAN JOAQUIN IRRIGATE
IRRIGATION DISTRICT IN
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING, CHRIS ANDERSON ON
BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA WATER AGENCIES AND
OPPOSITION. BRITAIN WITH THE
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WATER
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION. HI
AGAIN. JENNIFER PIERCE STATE
WATER CONTRACTORS IN OPPOSITION.
KIRK WILBUR ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA CATTLEMEN'S
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION. DANNY
MERKLEY WITH THE GUANACO GROUP
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION WINE GRAPE GROWERS,
CURRENT COUNTY WATER AGENCY AND
KINGS RIVER INTEREST. GAIL DELLA
HOT WITH WESTERN GROWERS
ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION. I'LL
BE ON BEHALF OF MASON WATER
DISTRICT, THE SANTA CLARA VALLEY
WATER AGENCY AND SAN GABRIEL
VALLEY MWD, AS WELL AS SEVERAL
AGRICULTURAL INTERESTS, SUCH AS
THE CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION
CALLED FOR PARA GROWERS AND
OTHERS. THANK YOU OPPOSE. DEAN
TALLY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS AND
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED. GOOD
MORNING. BRENDA BASS, CALIFORNIA
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN
OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING. TRISHA
GUARANTOR WITH AGRICULTURAL
COUNCIL OF CALIFORNIA
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED. GOOD
MORNING. ALEX BEHRING.
CALIFORNIA FARM BUREAU
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED. GOOD
MORNING. NOEL CRAMER'S WITH WINE
INSTITUTE RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION.
GOOD MORNING, CHRISTINE OLSEN,
SAN LUIS DELTA MENDOTA WATER
AUTHORITY AND THE UNITED WATER
CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN A POST
GOOD MORNING, ROBERT GONZALEZ
WITH CRUZ STRATEGIES ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION,
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED. GOOD
MORNING CHERRY MEMBERS, ALFREDO
MEDINA HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT,
ALSO RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED. GOOD
MORNING, MADAM CHAIR BOB RE WITH
REED GOVERNMENT RELATIONS ON
BEHALF OF BELLFLOWER, SOMERSET
MUTUAL WATER COMPANY, ELDORADO
IRRIGATION DISTRICT DESERT WATER
AGENCY. ELLISON OR VALLEY
MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.
PALMDALE WATER DISTRICT, ROLLING
WATER DISTRICTS, SOLANO COUNTY
WATER AGENCY, VALLEYWAG WATER
COALITION AND WANTED VALLEY
WATER DISTRICT AND OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. MODERATOR WILL GO TO
THE PHONES AND TAKE BOTH SUPPORT
AND OPPOSITION AND FOR THOSE
LISTENING IN YOUR NAME, YOUR
POSITION AND YOUR ORGANIZATION
IF YOU HAVE ONE. QUÊ MADAM CHAIR
FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO 13 37,
PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN ZERO ON
YOUR PHONE, ONLY PRESS 10 TO 1
AS PRESSING IT TWICE WILL REMOVE
YOU FROM THE KILL. WE'RE GOING
TO START WITH LINE 55. HERE
DRESSED. ARE YOU SURE IT DOWN
WITH CALIFORNIA WATER RESEARCH
AND, UH BEFORE. WE'LL NOW MOVE
ON TO LINE 54. YOUR LINE IS NOW
OPEN. GOOD MORNING. ANGELINA
COOK WITH CALIFORNIA SPORTS
FISHING PROTECTION ALLIANCE IN
SUPPORT. LINE 57 YEAR LINE IS
NOW OPEN. HILLARY NOT TO
QUINTANA ON BEHALF OF THE U BOAT
WATER AGENCY IN OPPOSITION. LINE
52. HI. GOOD MORNING. SHARING
INVOLVES WITH THE CITY OF CORONA
IN RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. LINES, 60. THIS IS SANTIAGO
RODRIGUEZ, CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS IN SUPPORT.
WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO LINE 30.
YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN. CHRISTIE
FOIL ON BEHALF OF THREE VALLEYS
MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT IN
OPPOSITION. LINE 50. YOUR LINE
IS NOW OPEN. JUSTIN HOPKINS ON
BEHALF OF STOCKTON, EAST WATER
DISTRICT. IN OPPOSITION. LYING
49. YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN. ME
JUST A MOMENT. I APOLOGIZE.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO LINE
56. YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN. GOOD
MORNING, DON MACKIN HILL AT THE
RUSSIAN RIVER KEEPER IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. LINE 61. YOUR LINE IS
NOW OPEN. TERRIBLY DROVE, WENT
TO CITY OF ROOSEVELT IN
OPPOSITION. LINE 49. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. GOOD MORNING, MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS, ERIN AVERY WITH
THE CALIFORNIA SPECIAL DISTRICT
ASSOCIATION. RESPECTFULLY OF
THOSE. THANK YOU. BLIND 58 JULY
IN IS NOW OPEN. GOOD MORNING.
PAUL HILL LIQUOR. SAN JUAN WATER
DISTRICT OPPOSE. WE'RE GOING TO
TAKE A MOMENT HERE. JUST TWO
FINAL CALL FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES
TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION TO 13 37, PLEASE
PRESS ONE THAN ZERO. MADAM CHAIR
. IT APPEARS PARDON ME. WE DO
HAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE PERSON
WHO SIGNALED THAT THEY WISH TO
SPEAK JUST A MOMENT.
MR MODERATOR, DO YOU HAVE THEM
64? LINE 64 YEAR LINE IS NOW
OPEN. BELIEVE EMPEROR OF THE
COMPANIES DEFINITELY. THANKS.
AND PARDON ME. IF YOU COULD
REPEAT THAT LINE 64. YOUR VOLUME
WAS VERY LOW. PEREIRA AGAINST
OH, YOU'RE A DISTRICT STRONGLY
OPPOSED. THANK YOU, AND WE WILL
BRING IT BACK. THANK YOU,
MODERATOR. WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE FOR COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS. YEAH. THANK YOU GUYS.
SO I'M I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE
IMPACT THAT THIS WILL HAVE ON MY
COMMUNITY, MY DISTRICT, THE AD
COMMUNITY THERE AND, UH, T I D
AND M IDEA BOTH IN MY DISTRICT
AND THEY'RE BOTH LEADERS IN THE
STATE AS FAR AS EXAMPLES ON HOW
TO MANAGE WATER AND FOR THE
OPPOSITION, YOU BROUGHT UP YOUR
CONCERNS ON EXPANDED AUTHORITY.
CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT
ON THAT ON WHAT CONCERNS YOU HAD
AND IF WE COULD JUST WHEN WE USE
ACRONYMS, SAVE THEM OUT. SO WE
ALL IRRIGATION AND TURLOCK
IRRIGATION DISTRICT. THAT'S
RIGHT. ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS
HERE IS THIS EXPANDS AUTHORITY
NOT ONLY OVER PRE 14 RIGHTS, BUT
IT EMPOWERS THE STATE WATERBIRD
TO CURTAIL IN ANY WATER YEAR.
AND THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT
CURTAILMENT AS IT HAS BEEN DONE.
THE FOUR TIMES THE STATE WATER
RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD HAS
EXERCISED CURTAILMENT IN 2014
2015 21 22. IT IS A WEEKLY
OPERATION OF LOCAL SYSTEMS. SO
TOO YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. T I D
AND MY DAD ARE WONDERFUL WATER
STEWARDS. THEY MICHELE TALKED
ABOUT ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT
THEY DO, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT
THEY WORK WITH THE HEDGEHOG
SYSTEM AND SAN FRANCISCO. IT'S
VERY COMPLEX TO HAVE THE STATE
WATER RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD
HAVE ISSUE A AN EMAIL TO THEM,
TELLING THEM HOW TO OPERATE ON A
WEEKLY BASIS. UM IN DROUGHT
YEARS EVEN IS, FRANKLY, UM,
QUESTIONS YOU KNOW, RELIABILITY
, THE ABILITY TO DELIVER
SUPPLIES. THEY HAVE FULL TIME
OPERATORS THAT ARE RUNNING NEW
DON PEDRO. IT'S VERY COMPLEX TO
HAVE, UM AND ANY WATER YEAR, THE
STATE WATER RESOURCES CONTROL
BOARD BE ABLE TO COME IN AND
CONTROL THOSE SYSTEMS ON A
WEEKLY BASIS. IS JUST A
COMPLETELY DESTABILIZING
PROPOSAL AND WATER SUPPLY
RELIABILITY. I DON'T THINK IT'S
AN EXAGGERATION. IF THAT
HAPPENED WOULD WOULD BE JUST
DESTROYED AND I DON'T KNOW HOW
YOU ASK THESE FOLKS TO CONTINUE
TO MAKE THE INVESTMENTS THAT
MICHELLE MAKES. ON A DAILY
BASIS. NGUYEN AGAIN, A STATE
BOARD THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE
THE INFORMATION IT NEEDS TO MAKE
THESE CALLS IS CONTROLLING THEIR
SYSTEM ON A WEEKLY BASIS, SO
IT'S VERY DESTABILIZING IN EVERY
YEAR. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING
THAT. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. YES,
MR BENNETT. I KNOW OFTENTIMES
WHEN I'M SITTING IN THE CHAIR
THAT THE AUTHOR IS SITTING IN, I
WOULD LIKE TO PROMPTLY RESPOND
TO THE OPPONENT'S COMMENTS. AND
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS. WHAT IS
YOUR RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS
RAISED BY THE OPPONENTS? YEAH. I
MEAN, I FIRST OF ALL, I THINK.
AND I KNEW YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR
THE OPENING. BUT I'LL GO BACK TO
THAT. I THINK THIS QUESTION BEGS
THE BILL AND I'LL USE THIS PART
OF MY RESPONSES. DO WE OR DO WE
FUNDAMENTALLY BELIEVE THAT WATER
IS A PUBLIC GOOD? THAT NEEDS TO
BE REGULATED IN A FAIR WAY THAT
WE ALL HAVE TO ABIDE BY
INCLUDING OUR PRE 1914 WATER
RIGHTS HOLDERS, AND I THINK WE
DO I THINK WE DO FOR EQUITY
REASONS. I THINK WE DO FOR
FAIRNESS REASONS, AND I BELIEVE
THAT WE CAN HAVE A REGULATORY
BODY THAT CAN DO THAT IN A FAIR
AND JUST WAY. UM I THINK SOME OF
THE CONCERNS RAISED BY
OPPOSITION, UM ARE FRANKLY,
CONCERNS ABOUT REGULATION WRIT
LARGE. UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S A
SLIGHTLY, UM I DON'T WANT TO SAY
DISINGENUOUS. THAT'S TOO STRONG
OF A WORD, BUT MAYBE JUST A
DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AROUND.
SHOULD WE HAVE REGULATION OR NOT
? WHEN IT COMES TO WATER, AND I
THINK WE SHOULD I THINK WATER IS
ONE OF THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL
ELEMENTS THAT WE NEED FOR HUMAN
SURVIVAL AND BALANCING THE NEEDS
FOR AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS. YOU
KNOW, OUR URBAN NEEDS. UM
ETCETERA IS REALLY CRITICAL,
ESPECIALLY IN TIMES OF SHORTAGE
, AND WHAT THIS BILL WOULD DO IS
ALLOW FOR OUR STATE REGULATORY
BODY TO DO THAT, AND TO DO THAT,
WITH OUR PRE 1914 WATER RIGHTS
HOLDERS TO BRING THEM INTO
COMPLIANCE. UM WITH WHAT THE
REST OF THE WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS
ARE DOING. AND I YOU KNOW, I
HAVE A SENIOR WATER RIGHTS
HOLDER IN MY DISTRICT. THEY'RE
ALSO VERY SOPHISTICATED. I THINK
THEY'RE HONORABLE ACTORS. IT'S
NOT A JUDGMENT ON THEIR THEM OR
THEIR PERFORMANCE. THIS IS ABOUT
BRINGING FAIRNESS AND EQUITY IN
TERMS OF ALL OF OUR WATER RIGHTS
HOLDERS. SECOND QUESTION. MANY
OTHER WESTERN STATES DO REGULATE
PRE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, WATER
RIGHTS. UM DO YOU HAVE ANY ANY
STATISTICS OR INFORMATION ON
THAT? AND WE'RE CALIFORNIA
STANDS RELATIVE TO MOST OTHER
WESTERN STATES. LET MY WITNESS
HERE EXPRESS THAT. I'M SORRY. I
DON'T HAVE STATISTICS ON ON ALL
THAT INFORMATION. I CAN TELL YOU
THAT IT'S DONE IN A DIFFERENT
WAY IN CERTAIN STATES, UM FOR
EXAMPLE, ALL STATES HAD A MOMENT
IN TIME WHERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A
LAW THAT REGULATED WATER RIGHTS.
AND THEN THEY DID, AND THERE WAS
GRANDFATHERED WATER RATES IN
THAT SYSTEM. OTHER STATES, I
BELIEVE OREGON AND WASHINGTON
ARE EXAMPLES. THEY JUST REQUIRED
THOSE GRANDFATHERED WATER RIGHTS
TO BECOME A PART OF THE SYSTEM
TO OBTAIN A PERMIT AND BE
REGULATED ALONGSIDE EVERYONE
ELSE. CALIFORNIA JUST
GRANDFATHER THOSE WATER RIGHTS
IN AND GAVE THEM SPECIAL
IMMUNITIES, WHICH POST 1914
WATER RIDES DO NOT HAVE. GREAT
UM, YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I
THINK THAT I WOULD JUST WAY IN
THAT THAT I THINK THE AUTHORS
MADE A STRONG POINT, BOASTED THE
COMMENTS THAT YOU HAD WRITTEN IN
ADVANCE OF THIS, WHICH IS
ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU HAVE HAVE
REPEATED HERE. UM BUT IT GOES
BACK TO THE ISSUE OF FUNDAMENTAL
QUESTION THAT WATER IS
INCREASINGLY PEOPLE ARE BECOMING
AWARE THAT WATER IS A PUBLIC
RESOURCE THAT NEEDS TO BE
CONTROLLED NEEDS TO BE REGULATED
AND TO HAVE THIS FAIRLY
SIGNIFICANT EXEMPTION OF PRE
1914 WATER RIGHTS IS A HUGE HOLE
IN OUR WATER, OUR ABILITY TO
MAKE GOOD WATER POLICY HERE IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. SO I'VE
CERTAINLY BE SUPPORTING THE
MOTION AND I'M MOVED THE
RECOMMENDED ACTION. THANK YOU
HAVE A SECOND. DR WEBBER.
SECONDS LIKE TO ASK ANOTHER
QUESTION. WE'RE NOT. I JUST
WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE
RECORD. DO YOU WANT TO GO NOW?
OR DO YOU MIND IF I MOVE TO MR
VALLAPUDUA, OKAY. VALLAPUDUA
DON'T WORRY, IT WASN'T SHOOTING
AGAIN. SO THERE WAS A QUESTION.
JUST ASK, UM DO YOU THINK THAT
THE TIMING IS RIGHT? RIGHT? I
MEAN, ESPECIALLY AFTER WE'VE HAD
A DRAMATIC. PUNISHING OF WATER
SUPPLY, ALL RIGHT, AND THEN I
HAVE TWO QUESTIONS TO THE SECOND
ONE WOULD UM, KNOWING THAT WERE
YOU KNOW, IN. INFLATION IS HIGH
COST OF FOOD IS HIGH. IN
EVERYTHING WE GO TO THE STORE IS
IT'S EXPENSIVE. IS THAT ALSO
GOING TO BE PATTY? SURE THIS
BILL ADD MORE TO THE COSTS.
SURE. I THINK NOW IS EXACTLY THE
RIGHT TIME. I THINK AGAIN, THE
COURT CASE KIND OF POINTEDLY
SAID HEY, LEGISLATURE, TAKE A
POSITION ON THIS, YOU KNOW, UM
AND SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT
UPON US TO DO SO. I ALSO THINK
IN MOMENTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE
LIKE THIS YEAR. YES, WE MAY HAVE
HAD HAVE HAD A WET YEAR. BUT
LOOK AT ALL THE YEARS PRECEDING
THIS, YOU KNOW, UM IT IS GOING
TO BE THE NEW NORMAL. WE HAVE A
LOT OF THESE FLUCTUATIONS. AND
SO THE ABILITY FOR US AS A STATE
TO DECIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE A REGULATORY FRAMEWORK TO
CREATE MORE CERTAINTY AROUND
WATER AND TO CREATE MORE EQUITY,
I THINK IS IMPERATIVE. SO I DO
THINK NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME ON
THE IN TERMS OF THE COST OF, UM
YOU KNOW, FOOD AND ALL THESE
OTHER KIND OF COMPONENTS AGAIN.
I THINK MY HOPE IS THAT WITH
THIS BILL, IT WILL CREATE MORE
CERTAINTY WHICH I THINK
CERTAINTY IS REALLY, REALLY
CRITICAL. UM THIS ISN'T IN MY
UNDERSTANDING OF IT, NOT
SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COST
AN INCREASE. UM COST FOR, YOU
KNOW OUR AGRICULTURAL NEEDS OR
OTHERS, AND THIS IS ABOUT REALLY
BALANCING ALL THE NEEDS OF THE
STATE. MR V PUTIN. OKAY, GREAT.
DID SOMEONE ELSE MR ON? DO YOU
WANNA GO BACK? YES THANK YOU. SO
IN IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS, WE
HAVE A SAYING THAT FOOD GROWS
WERE WATER FLOWS AND I DON'T SEE
, UH, A STATE AGENCY ACTUALLY
HELPING MY AREA FOR THAT. I
THINK WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB
REGULATING LOCALLY WITH OUR
WATER DISTRICTS. AND SO I WANTED
TO GET A QUESTION FOR YOU. IF I
COULDN'T AUTHOR ON THE FAIRNESS,
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FAIRNESS
WHO WHO'S LIKE BEING TREATED
UNFAIR IN THIS IN THIS BILL, IS
WHAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I
HAVE. WELL I THINK THIS GIVES
BENEFIT TO PRE 19 CURRENT. THE
CURRENT STRUCTURE GIVES, UM
PRIVILEGE AND BENEFIT TO PRE
1914 WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS. AND
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE WE
HAVE? AH THE, UM THE PRE 1914
WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS ACCOUNT FOR
APPROXIMATELY 45% OF ALL
GOVERNORS BY NUMBER AND 35% OF
DIVERSIONS BY VOLUME. THE
OPPOSITE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE A
NUMBER FOR THAT ONE? UM NO, I
DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER FOR
THE PERCENTAGE OF WATER RIGHTS,
BUT, UM, THAT ARE PRE 14
COMPARED TO OTHERS. BUT REMEMBER
THAT THIS BILL ACTUALLY
SUBSCRIBES IN AMENDMENT FOR TO
THE SYSTEM OF PRIORITY, SO, TO
THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT DISMANTLING THE SYSTEM OF
PRIORITY, THIS BILL ACTUALLY
DOUBLES DOWN ON THAT AND YOU
KNOW A AGREES THAT THAT IS THE
RULE OF WATER RIGHTS AND
INCLUDES THAT? IN IN THAT
AMENDMENT, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT
THIS BILL IS DISMANTLING
PRIORITY OR ADDRESSING EQUITY.
UM ONE OF THE ISSUES I THINK
THAT WE'RE KIND OF TALKING PAST
EACH OTHER ON IS REGULATION
VERSUS CONTROL, AND THE STATE
WATER BOARD DOES HAVE THE
ABILITY AND IT SHOULD HAVE THE
TOOLS TO REGULATE FROM FROM A
HIGHER PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT
SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. TO MANAGE
LOCAL SYSTEMS ON THE GROUND.
THAT'S NEVER WHAT IT MEANT TO
BE, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN
CURTAILMENT. SO IT ACTUALLY
ISSUES A WEEKLY EMAIL TO WATER
USERS AND WATER OPERATORS DURING
CURTAILMENT CONTROLLING THEIR
SYSTEMS, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY A
LONG TERM SOLUTION. IT'S NOT
REALLY WHAT THE STATE WATERBIRDS
SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. SO I LOVE
THE IDEA OF REALLY SMART. GOOD
MODERNIZING LEGISLATION THAT
GIVES THE STATE WATER BOARD
TOOLS TO REGULATE FROM IT FROM
WHERE IT SHOULD BE. BUT WHEN IT
GETS INTO, YOU KNOW, MANAGING
SYSTEMS THAT ARE LOCAL. I THINK
WE'VE GONE TOO FAR, AND I THINK
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH
THIS BILL. I'LL JUST IF I COULD
JUST ADD THAT YOU KNOW FROM FROM
A WATER OPERATOR PERSPECTIVE, WE
MANAGE FROM THE 12 ME RIVER. WE
MANAGE MUCH DIFFERENTLY THAN THE
STATE DOES ON THE STATE LEVEL. I
WOULD SAY WE'RE MORE
CONSERVATIVE. SO WE START MAKING
CUTBACKS IN DRY YEARS. AS SOON
AS WE SEE AN A NON AVERAGE YEAR,
WE START MAKING CUTBACKS TO
DELIVERIES, AND WE DO THAT TO
ENSURE THAT WE UM, HAVE SUPPLIED
TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SURVIVE
A MULTIYEAR DROUGHT AND NOT JUST
FOR AGRICULTURE, BUT ITS
RESIDENTS AS WELL. AND SO, UM
TAKING THOSE ACTIONS EARLY ON
AGAIN. WE'RE PLANNING WAY AHEAD
OF THE STATE BEFORE THEY EVEN
DECLARING IT AN EMERGENCY. UM
BUT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THIS
IF THIS WERE YOU KNOW TO BECOME
LAW, THEN IT THERE'S NO
INCENTIVE FOR US TO DO THAT
ANYMORE IT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING
TO BE WAITING FOR AN EMAIL EVERY
WEEK TO DETERMINE HOW OUR WATER
IS GOING TO BE USED, AND I WOULD
JUST YOU KNOW, TRY TO RESPOND IN
THE SENSE OF YOU KNOW, I SAID IT
IN MY COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, I AM A
PRE 1914 WATER RIGHT HOLDER AND
I HOLD IT ON BEHALF OF ALL OF
THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT WE SERVE
, AND I SAID, IT'S 67% OF IT IS
NON WHITE. UM AND THEY LOOKED AT
US TO BE THE PURVEYORS AND TO
GET THEM THROUGH YEARS OF
DROUGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR FOR LET ME OF
COURSE, MR ALI. SO I THINK THIS
GOES BACK AGAIN TO THE CONCERNS
OF MY DISTRICT IS THE AUTHORITY
OF THE WATERBOARD RIGHT? AND ONE
OF THE THINGS I JUST UNDERLINED
TO PREVENT WASTE AND
UNREASONABLE USE. SO AGAIN, IT
DOESN'T UNLESS I'M MISSING
SOMETHING LIKE REALLY SAY, WHAT
IS? WHAT IS WASTE WHAT IS
UNREASONABLE USE SO IN OUR
COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW SOMEBODY
DRIVING BY WATCHING ALFALFA
FIELD BEING WATERED, THEY MAY
CONSIDER THAT TO BE WASTE OR
UNREASONABLE, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE
IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR
DRINKING WATER AT YOUR HOME AND
YOU'RE TRAVELING THROUGH MY
DISTRICT, SO I THINK THERE'S
JUST, UM THERE'S A LOT OF
CONCERNS WITH THIS BILL.
OBVIOUSLY I'M I'M I'M A NO. BUT
I IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE AS
IT MOVES FORWARD LIKE HOW YOU
WITH THE PRE NIGHT PRE 14 WATER
RIGHTS, AND I MEAN PEOPLE, THOSE
THOSE ARE HOMESTEADS. THOSE ARE
GENERATIONAL. YOU KNOW, IT'S
AGAIN IT'S AG AND THAT'S UM
WATER IS LIFE AGAIN. SO, UM,
ANYWAY, THANK IT. PLEASE UM SO I
WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU AS PART
OF THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF
YOUR EXPERTISE. I THINK BOTH IN
YOUR FAMILY BUSINESS BUT ALSO
THE REGION THAT YOU REPRESENT.
UM I'D LOVE TO HAVE THE
OPPOSITION AT THE TABLE AND A
SUBSTANTIVE, MEANINGFUL WAY TO
PROVIDE MEANINGFUL AMENDMENTS
AND FEEDBACK. UM, I HAVE YET TO
CRAFT A BILL THAT HASN'T TAKEN
AMENDMENTS BEFORE. IT'S GOTTEN
TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK, SO I'M
ALWAYS OPEN TO TALKING TO YOU OR
OTHERS, AS WELL AS THE
OPPOSITION TO ENSURE THAT WE GET
THE BILL IN A BETTER PLACE. I
THINK YOU HAVE STRONGER BILLS
WHEN YOU HAVE ROBUST
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
OPPOSITION. UM SO I WOULD INVITE
YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO THE
CONVERSATION IS WITH THE BILL
PROGRESSES, AND I KNOW I KNOW
THIS IS NOT A SMALL BILL, SO I
THINK IT DOES WARRANT SUCH LEVEL
OF CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. OH
STORED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR
I FULLY APPRECIATE THE GOALS
HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE ARE STRIVING
TOWARDS A MORE EQUITABLE
SITUATION WITH CLIMATE CHANGE,
AND WITH OUR TOTAL SUPPLY THAT'S
AVAILABLE TO US. AND I'M
WONDERING WHAT THE AMENDMENTS
THAT THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON
RIGHT HERE. UM THE WHEN WE SAY
THAT THE BOARD MAY ISSUE A
CURTAILMENT REGARDLESS OF THE
BASIS OF RIGHT WHEN WATER IS NOT
AVAILABLE UNDER THE DIVERTER IS
PRIORITY OF RIGHT, SO THERE'S
STILL AN ALLOWANCE, THEN FOR A
DEFERENCE TO THOSE THAT HAVE A
HIGHER PRIORITY OF RIGHT, I'LL
LET MY EXPERT WHAT IS, UH, GIVE
YOU THE EXACT RESPONSE ON SORT
OF WHEN THIS IS TRIGGERED. YES
THE MOST SENIOR WATER RIGHTS
WOULD ONLY BE CURTAILED IF
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WATER TO
SATISFY ALL THE JUNIOR
APPROPRIATORS ABOVE THEM, AND
THE PRIORITY CHAIN UNDERSTAND
SENIOR WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS
WOULD ONLY BE CURTAILED UNDER
THIS BILL. WHEN THERE'S NOT
ENOUGH WATER TO EVEN SATISFY THE
PRE 1914 WATER AT USERS AMONG
THEMSELVES, AND AS WE
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DO THIS
RIGHT NOW, IN A STATE OF
EMERGENCY, AND SO FOR NOT IN A
STATE OF EMERGENCY, AND WE'RE
HAVING A TERM CALLED A WATER,
WATER SHORTAGE. UM HOW IS THAT
IS HOW IS THAT TERM DEFINED? I
GUESS I FEEL LIKE WE WOULD BE IN
THE STATE OF EMERGENCY. THEN IF
THERE'S A SHORTAGE, YES. SO, UM
WHAT A CODE SECTION 10 58.5
DEFINES WHAT AN EMERGENCY IS
WHEN THE WATER BOARD CAN USE
THAT EMERGENCY REGULATIONS AND
IT'S WHEN THE GOVERNOR DECLARES
A STATE OF EMERGENCY OR IT'S THE
THIRD. LET ME FIND THE EXACT
LANGUAGE. I'M NOT PARAPHRASING,
UM UH, IN A CRITICALLY DRY YEAR
IMMEDIATELY PRECEDED BY TWO OR
MORE CONSECUTIVE BELOW NORMAL,
DRY OR CRITICALLY DRY YEARS,
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO THE
SECOND YEAR OF THAT THE SECOND
CRITICALLY DRY YEAR IS NOT AN
EMERGENCY UNLESS THERE IS A
STATE OF EMERGENCY PROCLAMATION
AND IT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE STATEWIDE DROUGHT
AND A REGIONAL DROUGHT AS WELL.
OKAY FAIR SO THERE CAN BE TIMES
WHEN WE HAVE WATER SHORTAGE.
SOMEBODY DEFINES WHAT THAT WHAT
THAT MEANS, WHEN THAT THAT TERM
IS TRIGGERED, BUT WE MAY NOT
NECESSARILY BE IN THE STATE OF
EMERGENCY. CORRECT OKAY, UM, I
I'VE YET I APPRECIATE THE WORK
THAT'S BEING DONE ON HERE, AND
WE HAD TO KIND OF HERE. SO A LOT
FROM SAN DIEGO A LOT OF OUR
RESOURCES AND ACTUALLY,
INCREASINGLY MORE BECAUSE WE'RE
TRYING TO GET OFF OF THE STATE
WATER PROJECT AND ALLEVIATE
NORTHERN WATER, CALIFORNIA WE'RE
DOING DOING A GOOD JOB THERE
WITH WITH LOCAL RESOURCES, BUT
WE'RE STILL VERY RELIANT ON
COLORADO RIVER. AND A LOT OF
THAT COMES WITH PLEX
NEGOTIATIONS WITH IMPERIAL USERS
AS WELL TO HAVE SUPERIOR RIGHTS
AS WELL. UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD
ENOUGH YET FROM MY SAN DIEGO, UH
, AUTHORITY ON HOW THIS MIGHT
AFFECT THAT FOR OUR GUARANTEES
AS WELL HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS
GOING FORWARD TODAY AND CONTINUE
TO LISTEN TO THOSE LOCAL VOICES
AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
INTERESTS ARE PROTECTED. THANK
YOU. AND I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN
ANY CONVERSATIONS DIRECTLY WITH
YOUR WATER DISTRICTS. SHOULD
THEY WANT THAT? REMEMBER RUBIO.
THANK YOU. THE SAME SAME BASIC
COMMENTS. I'M FROM SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA AND THE SAME CAMERA
VALLEY DEPENDS ON GROUNDWATER.
UM THE PART THAT IS, IS, UH THE
QUESTION, I GUESS IS RIGHT NOW
UNDER THE EMERGENCY ORDER. UM
THE WATER BOARD HAS THOSE RIGHTS
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR
EXPLAINING THE WATER YEARS, BUT
L A COUNTY RIGHT AWAY AS SOON AS
WE START WITH, YOU KNOW, THE DRY
YEARS. UM THERE'S THAT, YOU KNOW
, 15% CUT 30% SO I'VE NEVER I'VE
MAYBE HAD WASN'T PAYING
ATTENTION, BUT I'VE NEVER REALLY
HAVE HAD, UM, KIND OF THE STATES
SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS NEED TO
REDUCE THEIR WATER BY THE TIME
THE STATE SAYS THAT ARE MY AREA
AND SPECIFICALLY, L. A COUNTY
HAS ALREADY DONE THAT AND BEYOND
ABOVE AND SO, SO THE DIFFICULTY
THAT I'M HAVING IS THE CURRENTLY
WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY UNDER
EMERGENCY DROUGHT, AND SO TO THE
POINT OF, YOU KNOW, THE WATER
BOARD AGAIN THAT I MADE EARLIER
IS, YOU KNOW ARE THEY GOING TO
TAKE THIS TO PUNISH THOSE THAT
THEY DEEM TO BE MHM QUOTE
UNQUOTE ENEMIES. AND THAT'S WHAT
MY CONCERN IS. LIKE I SAID FOR
ME, MY AREA IS 100% WATER UNTIL
WE CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. RIGHT
AND AGAIN. L. A COUNTY AND MY
AREA ARE VERY, VERY DILIGENT
WHEN IT COMES TO DRY YEARS AND
TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET
AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND START
CUTTING WATER BEFORE ANYBODY
TELLS US TO DO IT, AND, YOU KNOW
AGAIN DIFFERENT REGIONS,
OBVIOUSLY, AND WE'VE HAD OTHER
ISSUES IN THE AREA OF
CONTAMINATION, SO WE'RE VERY,
VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT, UM, THE
WATER SUPPLY, AND SO IT JUST
FEELS LIKE THE WATER BOARD WILL
BE PUNITIVE TO THOSE THAT THEY
JUST DEEM ENEMIES AS OPPOSED TO
FOR DOING IT FOR THE RIGHT
REASONS, SO A COUPLE THINGS AND
I'LL HAVE CODY AT EDITION AS
WELL IF HE LIKES, BUT, UM ONE I
DON'T KNOW THAT ALL WATER RIGHTS
HOLDERS ARE AS RESPONSIBLE,
RIGHT, I THINK, AND YOU ALL HAVE
. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, PAVED
THE WAY IN MANY WAYS AROUND
AROUND, YOU KNOW, ENSURING THAT
YOU'RE BEING MINDFUL OF WATER
RESOURCES IN TIMES OF SHORTAGE.
UM, SO I THINK THIS WILL BRING
ABOUT MORE. SORT OF SIT
CERTAINTY AND GUARANTEE ACROSS
THE BOARD TO ENSURE THAT OUR
SENIOR WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS ARE
AS RESPONSIBLE WHICH I THINK IS
IMPORTANT. AND THEN THE SECOND
POINT I WOULD MAKE IS THAT THIS
IS LOOKING AT THE WATER ISSUES
IN TOTALITY, RIGHT AND ENSURING
THAT YOU KNOW WE ARE CREATING A
SORT OF FAIR AND EQUITABLE
SYSTEM ACROSS THE BOARD THAT ALL
OF OUR SENIOR WATER RIGHTS
HOLDERS ARE ACTING IN SUCH A
GOOD FAITH AND BEING STEWARDS OF
WATER. PARTICULARLY IN TIMES OF
SHORTAGE, WHICH I THINK IS
IMPORTANT AND AGAIN, THE FOCUS
IS REALLY AROUND TIMES OF
SHORTAGE. WHEN WE KNOW THAT
WE'RE FACING CRITICAL CONCERNS.
I KNOW WE DON'T FEEL IT IN THE
SAME WAY THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF
THE SNOW. BUT REMEMBER WHAT THIS
FELT LIKE LAST YEAR AT THIS
TIME, AND THAT IS RIGHT AROUND
THE CORNER AGAIN. AND SO THAT IS
WHAT WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR. UM
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD
ANYTHING ELSE JUST TO THE
PUNITIVE NATURE. THE BILL RIGHT
NOW ONLY ALLOWS THE WATER BOARD
TO ISSUE THESE CURTAILMENT
ORDERS WHEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH
WATER TO SATISFY THE DIVERTER IS
PRIORITY RIGHT SO THEY CAN'T GO
OUT AND SAY, PLEASE CURTAIL,
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S ENOUGH WATER
IN THE RIVER TO SATISFY YOUR
RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO
CURTAIL. ANYWAY THEY'RE ONLY
ALLOWED TO ISSUE THESE ORDERS
WHEN THERE'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH
WATER TO SATISFY THE RIGHT SO IT
REALLY CAN'T BE TARGETED OTHER
THAN BY THE PRIORITY SYSTEM. AND
I THINK THAT'S SORT OF LIMITED
NATURE SCOPE FOR THE BILL IS
REALLY IMPORTANT. RIGHT OKAY.
WELL LIKE I SAID, I'M STILL
TRYING TO PROCESS UM, WHAT'S NOT
BEING DONE RIGHT NOW? SINCE THE
WATER BOARD DOES HAVE YOU KNOW
THIS AUTHORITY TO BASICALLY SAY,
HEY, LET'S GO TELL HERE COULD
TELL THERE IN MY MIND IT ALREADY
DOES. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION
BLANK. I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF A
SEPTEMBER RUBIO. SORRY. I MEAN,
I THINK I THINK YOU'RE HITTING
ON EXACTLY WHY THERE WAS SUCH
SURPRISED WITH THE COURT CASE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK MANY PEOPLE
VIEW THAT. ACTUALLY WE DO. THE
BOARD ALREADY DOES HAVE THAT.
AUTHORITY. I THINK WHAT THIS
BILL DOES IS CLARIFY EXACTLY
JUST THAT. THANK YOU TO THE
OTHER. OKAY? DID OTHER MEMBERS
HAVE. DID MISS PELLERIN 1ST 1ST
TIMERS. THANK YOU, AUTHOR FOR
TAKING ON A TOUGH SUBJECT WITH
WATER AND WATER IS ABSOLUTELY
LIFE, BUT IT'S WE'VE GOT TO MAKE
SURE IT'S LIFE FOR EVERYBODY, UH
, FOR ALL OF OUR INTERESTS AND
MAKE SURE WE'RE EQUITABLE IN
THAT. AND WHILE THERE ARE SOME
CONCERNS OF THE BILL, I'M
HEARING FROM YOU THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE
OPPOSITION AND COME UP WITH THE
BEST. BILL POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD,
SO I'LL BE VOTING FOR IT TODAY
WITH THE PROMISE WITH YOU TO
WORK WITH THE OPPOSITION
PROMISED TO WORK WITH THE
OPPOSITION. OKAY. OKAY AMAZING.
ALWAYS, MR MATHIS. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR OF JUST GOT A COUPLE
OF QUESTIONS FOR THE OPPOSITION
ALL LIMITED TO TWO. UH BECAUSE
MY HOMETOWN WAS THE CITY WITHOUT
WATER FOR, UH, FOR QUITE A WHILE
DURING THE LAST DROUGHT, AND I
KNOW WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF
DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF JOB BE
BROUGHT INTO THIS. UM SHALL, AS
THE BILL SUGGESTS. THE
WATERBOARD NEEDS THE AUTHORITY
TO OCCUR. TELL RIGHTS AT ANY
TIME BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS
ESSENTIALLY LEFT UNMANAGED
OUTSIDE OF CERTAIN DROUGHT
YEARS. SO THE QUESTION IS. CAN
YOU EXPLAIN HOW WATERSHEDS ARE
MANAGED TO BALANCE WATER SUPPLY
AND ECOSYSTEM DEMANDS WHEN THE
WATERBOARD CURTAILMENT AUTHORITY
IS NOT IN EFFECT, SO THAT'S
QUESTION ONE AND I'LL GO AHEAD
AND GIVE YOU A QUESTION, TOO. UM
SO THEN WE CAN DIVE INTO IT. UM
HOW WOULD CURTAILING WATER
RIGHTS OUTSIDE OF JAD
EMERGENCIES IMPACT. ALRIGHT I
APPRECIATE THE COUNSELOR. HOW
WOULD CURTAILING WATER RIGHTS
OUTSIDE OF DROUGHT EMERGENCIES
IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT OF
HOUSING PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY
IN AREAS WHERE WATER SCARCITY IS
ALREADY A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE
BECAUSE I KNOW FOR ME PERSONALLY
IN MY DISTRICT. WE'VE LITERALLY
HAD HOUSING PROJECTS. THEY GOT
SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF NOT HAVING
ADEQUATE SO IF WE CAN DIVE INTO
THAT, HERE FROM THE OPPOSITION
AND BACK TO THE AUTHOR, PLEASE
SURE. SO THE STATE WATER
RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD HAS A
NUMBER OF TOOLS THEY USE
REGULARLY IN NON DROUGHT TIMES,
UM, TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS
SUFFICIENT ENVIRONMENTAL FLOWS
IN THE SYSTEM. THEY DO THAT
THROUGH THE PORTER COLOGNE ACT.
THEY HAVE DONE THAT IN THE BAY
DELTA SYSTEM SINCE THE EARLY 19
SEVENTIES, SO THAT IS ONGOING.
IT'S NOT AN UNREGULATED SYSTEM.
IT'S ACTUALLY A HIGHLY REGULATED
SYSTEM, BUT THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN CURTAILMENT REGULATION
AND REGULAR REGULATION IS THAT
EVERYDAY NON DROUGHT REGULATION
IS TELLING SYSTEMS THE
PARAMETERS UNDER WHICH THEY
SHOULD OPERATE. AND CURTAILMENT
ACTUALLY COMES IN AND OPERATES
THOSE SYSTEMS FOR THE FOR THE
LOCALS, SO IT'S A IT'S AN
EXTREME MEASURE, HAVING
CURTAILMENT WHEN THE STATE WATER
BOARD HAS DONE IT AGAIN. IT'S
THEY COME IN AND LITERALLY SEND
. THEY DON'T EVEN SEND IT TO THE
WATER SUPPLIERS. YOU HAVE TO LOG
IN AND CHECK YOUR WEEKLY UPDATE
ON HOW YOU CAN OPERATE. SO YOU
GO FROM HAVING A REGULATORY
SYSTEM THAT GIVES YOU PARAMETERS
UNDER WHICH LOCALS MANAGED TO
HAVING THE STATE WATER RESOURCES
CONTROL BOARD COMING AND MANAGE
YOUR SYSTEM LIKE WE'VE SAID A
COUPLE OF TIMES ON A WEEKLY
BASIS. UM AGAIN. THOSE ARE
EXTREME MEASURES AND THE TOOLS
THAT THEY USED TO DETERMINE.
AVAILABILITY ARE REALLY ONLY
SUPPOSED TO BE IN EMERGENCY
TIMES. THEY'RE NOT GREAT TOOLS.
UM YOU KNOW THAT. IT'S LIKE, YOU
KNOW, IF YOU'RE BLEEDING OUT AND
YOU NEED A TOURNIQUET, YOU MIGHT
USE A BELT. YOU DON'T GO TO THE
HOSPITAL AND HOW THERE'S A
NUMBER OF BELTS ON THE WALL, YOU
KNOW, SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE
THERE ARE PLENTY OF REGULATIONS
IN REGULAR TIMES AND CURTAILMENT
IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
UM, YOUR SECOND QUESTION ON
HOUSING. YOU KNOW? YEAH. GO
AHEAD. YOU BROUGHT UP PORTER
COLOGNE, AND I KNOW SOME OF US
ON THE COMMITTEE THAT WE'VE GOT
A LOT OF NEW MEMBERS PART OF
COLOGNE. MAYBE NOT. EVERYBODY IS
FAMILIAR WITH. SO COULD YOU DIVE
INTO WHAT? PORTER COLOGNE IS A
LITTLE BIT JUST FOR THE SAKE.
FOR EVERYONE HERE. SURE PORTER
COLOGNE IS A SECTION OF THE
WATER CODE THAT ALLOWS THE STATE
WATER RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD TO
LOOK AT SYSTEMS AND ADOPT WATER
QUALITY CONTROL PLANS TO MAKE
SURE THAT THEY'RE OPERATING
WITHIN THE PUBLIC TRUST AND TO
HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL FLOWS, SO
IT'S THE HIGHER LEVEL REGULATORY
JOB. THE STATE WATER RESOURCES
CONTROL BOARD DOES ON A DAILY
BASIS. ALL RIGHT. AND IN THE
HOUSE YOUR QUESTION AND I'LL LET
MICHELLE DO YOU WANT TO TALK
ABOUT HOW THING I'M HAPPY TO
DIVE? SURE. I MEAN, I GUESS IT
JUST GOES BACK TO THIS. UM BOTH
THE LAST BILL IN THIS BILL JUST
CREATES, UH, MAJOR UNCERTAINTY
FOR WATER PLANNING AND
PROVIDING, AND SO THE FIRST
THING, UM, WITHIN WITH A NEW
HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, THE FIRST
THING THAT THEY LOOK AT IS WHAT
IS YOUR WATER SUPPLY? FIRST
THING ON A GLANDS WHEN YOU GO TO
PURCHASE THAT THE FIRST THING IS
WHAT YOUR WATER SUPPLY. UM AND
AS, UH, AS THE WATER PURVEYOR, I
WORK WITH CITIES AND COUNTIES TO
LET THEM KNOW. YES, WE CAN
EXPAND. YES, WE CAN SERVE THOSE
CITIES. UH I GUESS THE POINT OF
THIS UNCERTAINTY OF GIVING THIS
BROAD AUTHORITY IS I CAN'T SAY
THAT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE
ANYMORE. AND SO I MEAN, I KNOW
YOU MENTIONED ABOUT EXTREMES.
BUT I CAN'T LOOK MY RAPE PAIRS
AND MY CUSTOMERS IN THE EYE AND
LET THEM KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING
TO SHAKE OUT. I WISH I HAD MORE.
FAITH IN THE STATE WATER BOARD,
BUT I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY
EXPERIENCED THAT. AND SO I THINK
YOUR INTENTIONS ARE WELL. I
THINK IT'S JUST ABSOLUTE GENUINE
FEAR OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE
IMPLEMENTED, AND THAT'S JUST
FROM A WATER PLANET PURVEYOR AND
I TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND
I TALK ABOUT EXPANSION. AND WE
HAVE GREAT NEW BUSINESSES COMING
TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND I'M SUPER
EXCITED ABOUT IT. BUT I DON'T
KNOW IF I CAN SUPPLY THEM WATER
. UM, SO IT'S A IT IS
UNCERTAINTY AND IT IS PRETTY
VAGUE AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BLOW
IT UP BUT IT BUT IT'S JUST THE
REALITY OF I HAVE TO PROVIDE. WE
HAD A SOMETHING TOO SMALL AS A
GAS STATION. THAT GOT TURNED
DOWN BECAUSE OF ACCESS TO WATER,
SO I IT HAPPENS QUITE OFTEN. MR.
FURTHER DIVISION, AT LEAST
MAKING MORE QUITE QUESTIONS
GOING IN MY HEAD, AND SO, FROM
WHAT I UNDERSTAND WATER IS THE
MOST REGULATED IN CALIFORNIA.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REGULATE ON
TOP OF REGULAR ON TOP REGULATOR
RIGHT NOW, AND, UH, CODY, RIGHT?
CODY SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR
YOU WITH THE JUNIOR WATER RIGHTS
HOLDERS WHEN, OR WHO DECIDES
THAT THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT WATER
. AND THEN SO THEN YOU COULD
TELL THE SENIOR HOLDERS BECAUSE
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S
ALMOST NO YEAR IN WHICH THERE IS
100. CORRECT. UM SO AFTER 1914
ALL THE POST 1914 WATER RIGHT
HOLDERS HAD TO APPLY FOR WATER
RIGHT AT THE STATE WATER BOARD,
AND DURING THAT PROCESS, THEY
HAVE TO PROVE THAT THERE IS
ENOUGH WATER AVAILABLE IN THE
SYSTEM TO SATISFY THE WATER, AND
THEY'RE APPLYING FOR AND IN THE
PERMIT TERMS THAT THEY RECEIVE,
UM, THEY HAVE TO CURTAIL IF THAT
WATER IS NOT AVAILABLE, AND IF
THEY DON'T THEY'RE SUBJECT TO
THE WATER BOARDS ENFORCEMENT
AUTHORITY, WHICH WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT A BIT WITH 84 60. THE
SEASON JUST DISORDER THAT 20 DAY
HEARING PERIOD. SO IT ALL IS IN
THE PROCESS OF OBTAINING THE
PERMIT IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE
PRE 1914 WATER RIGHT HOLDERS
EXISTED BEFORE THAT LAW CAME
INTO BEING SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE
TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT. THEY
DON'T HAVE A PERMIT WITH THOSE
PERMIT TERMS AND CONDITIONS. AND
SO IDENTIFYING EXACTLY WHERE THE
PRIORITY IS FOR THOSE PRE 1914
WATER RIGHT HOLDERS HAPPENS IN
SOMETHING CALLED THE FULL STREAM
ADJUDICATION, WHICH ANY WATER
RIGHT HOLDER CAN GO AND PETITION
THE STATE WATER BOARD TO DO THEY
TAKE TIME. THEY TAKE MONEY, BUT
IT DOES SOLIDIFY THE PRIORITY OF
POSITIONS ON ON STREAMS. AND SO
HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? I'M
NOT ENTIRELY SURE HOW OFTEN IT
HAPPENS, BUT IT IS A TOOL THAT
IS AVAILABLE. SO MAY I MEAN,
JUST JUST AGHAST AS IT HAPPENED,
LIKE ONCE A YEAR OR MAYBE ONCE A
DECADE OR THESE FULL STREAM
ADJUDICATIONS CAN TAKE DECADES.
SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN ANSWER ON
ON THAT OPPOSITION. DO YOU GUYS
HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT
PART? SURE. I MEAN, THAT'S PART
OF THE ISSUE, RIGHT? IS THAT
THESE? WHAT ARE FUNCTIONAL
ADJUDICATIONS IN A CURTAILMENT
YEAR HAPPENED ON A WEEKLY BASIS
BY STATE WATER BOARD STAFF.
OFTENTIMES WE'LL CALL STAFF AND
TELL THEM THAT THEY GOT THE
METHODOLOGY WRONG THERE ON THE
NINTH ITERATION RIGHT NOW, FROM
2021 TO 22. A LOT OF TIMES WE
HAVE FRANKLY CHANGES THAT ARE
PROPOSED BY THE STATE WATER
BOARD TO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT THIS. THIS WHO
DECIDES WIND WATER IS AVAILABLE
. IT'S STATE WATER BOARD STAFF
THROUGH A SPREADSHEET,
OFTENTIMES UNILATERALLY IN BACK
ROOMS. SO. WE'VE GOT A MAJOR DUE
PROCESS ISSUE THERE BECAUSE IF
YOU'RE CALLING AND SAYING THAT
YOUR PRIORITY IS WRONG, AND
YOU'RE AHEAD OF ME, AND I'M NOT
INCLUDED IN THAT DISCUSSION,
WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM. ALRIGHT.
ANY OTHERS FROM THE COMMITTEE.
MR BENNETT. MHM. THIS IS NOT A
QUESTION OF WHETHER CURRENT.
PRIORITY SENIOR WATER RIGHTS
HOLDERS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB
WITH THE WATER OR NOT. IT'S NOT
A QUESTION OF WHETHER THERE WILL
INTENTIONED OR NOT. IT'S A
QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY ALONE
SHOULD STAND OUTSIDE OF THE SAME
PROCESS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS
TO FAULT. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. AND
THAT IS AND THEN YOU ASK
YOURSELF. YOU KNOW THOSE. THOSE
SENIOR WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS,
THEREFORE, MAKE IT HARDER FOR US
TO HAVE A COHESIVE WATER POLICY
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. UM
BECAUSE THEY CAN MAKE DIFFERENT
DECISIONS, AND IT IS IT IS NOT
IN THE INTEREST OF THE STATE AS
LARGE AS THIS TO BE DEPENDENT
UPON. UM SENIOR RIGHTS HOLDERS
WHO CAN TRACE THEIR. AUTHORITY
ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE
ANCESTORS THAT GOT THESE WATER
RIGHTS, YOU KNOW? BACK IN THE
LATE 18 HUNDREDS IN TERMS OF
DOING THIS, SO THAT'S NOT THE
QUESTION AND SO WHAT WE HEAR
MOSTLY IN OPPOSITION IS THERE
WERE DOING A GOOD JOB. WE DON'T
NEED TO SAY THIS MIGHT UPSET US
. WE DON'T WANT THIS. YOU KNOW,
THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS FAIR FOR
WATER POLICY. AND WHEN WE THINK
ABOUT WATER POLICY IN CALIFORNIA
, AND I VERY MUCH RESPECT THE
CONCERN ABOUT HOW REGULATED IT
IS, WE WERE VIRTUALLY THE LAST
STATE IN THE UNION TO EVEN
REGULATE GROUNDWATER. SO WE ARE
FAR CRY AWAY FROM TRYING TO
BRING COORDINATION TO WATER
POLICY HERE IN CALIFORNIA, AND
EVEN THAT GROUNDWATER LAW THAT
WE PASSED DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO
BE SUSTAINABLY PUMPING
GROUNDWATER UNTIL 2040. TO YOU
KNOW TILL 24. THAT'S I MEAN
PEOPLE ARE SCRATCHING THEIR
HEADS AND OTHER OTHER PLACES IN
THE WORLD. SO I BELIEVE WHAT
THIS BILL DOES. IS IT SIMPLY
GRANTS IN A VERY NARROW RANGE?
AND THAT IS WHEN THERE IS NOT
SUFFICIENT WATER IS DEFINED BY
THE BILL. NOT ALL THE TIME, NOT
WILLY NILLY. BUT AT THESE
CRITICAL TIMES WHEN WE'RE AT
LAST YEAR AND A 1200 YEAR
DROUGHT, WE'RE IN FRONT OF THE
COURT. TRYING TO HAVE THE STATE
WATER BOARD SAY, YOU KNOW, TO A
SENIOR WATER RIGHTS HOLDER. YOU
KNOW, THE WATER BOARD OUGHT TO
HAVE SOME CONTROL HERE AND THE
JUDGE SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST
DON'T HAVE IT AND THE JUDGE,
EVEN INVITING, BUT YOU KNOW YOU
IT'S I'M NOT SAYING THIS MAKES
SENSE MY RULING, BUT IT'S JUST
WHAT I LEGALLY HAVE TO DO
BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE HASN'T
ACTED AND THIS BILL THIS AUTHOR
IS TRYING TO ACT AND HAS
CERTAINLY OPEN TO HEARING ABOUT
HOW TO ACT BUT THE FUNDAMENTAL
ISSUE I THINK IS UNDENIABLE. YOU
CAN'T JUST CONTINUE TO EXIST
WITH 35 OR 40% OF THE WATER. OUT
OF TOUCH DURING THESE EXTREME
PERIODS WHEN THERE IS
INSUFFICIENT WATER OUT OF TOUCH
BY THE ONLY COORDINATED
REGULATORY BODY REPRESENTING ALL
THE CITIZENS OF CALIFORNIA.
BECAUSE THOSE SENIOR RIGHTS
WATERS HOLDERS DON'T HAVE TO
REPRESENT ALL THE CITIZENS OF
CALIFORNIA. THEY DON'T HAVE TO
REPRESENT ALL THE CITIZENS IN
THEIR AREA THEY CAN, DEPENDING
ON THE SENIOR WHITE, YOU KNOW,
DEPENDING ON HOW THEY'VE
ALLOCATED AND HOW THEY'RE
MANAGED, CAN CAN CAN REPRESENT A
VERY NARROW SET OF PEOPLE THAT'S
SIMPLY NOT APPROPRIATE. ALL DUE
RESPECT TO THE OPPOSITION'S
RAISING ARGUMENTS, AND I
APPRECIATE AGAIN. THE SORT OF
YOU KNOW WHAT IT WHAT IT MIGHT
CREATE IN TERMS OF VAGUENESS,
ETCETERA, BUT IT JUST CAN'T
REMAIN THIS WAY. JUST LIKE IF
SOMEBODY BACK IN 2014 PEOPLE
ARGUED WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE. WE
SHOULDN'T START TO REGULATE
GROUNDWATER. PEOPLE SCRATCHING.
HOW CAN YOU SAY WE SHOULD
CONTINUE TO NOT REGULATE
GROUNDWATER AT ALL IN
CALIFORNIA? THE SAME THING'S
TRUE IN THIS SITUATION. HOW CAN
WE SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE
ANY REGULATORY AUTHORITY OF
SIGNIFICANCE DURING THESE TIMES
IN THE PRE 1914 PERIOD? THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR
BURNETT. I THINK I THINK THAT
ACTUALLY BRINGS UP ONE OF MY
LARGER CONCERNS WHEN WE START
TALKING ABOUT SENIOR RIGHTS
VERSUS JUNIOR RIGHTS. AH! THE
LOWER HALF OF OUR STATE IS
DEPENDENT ON COLORADO RIVER
WATER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
WESTERN REGION OF THE US AND WE
TALK ABOUT DROUGHTS. IT'S NOT
JUST CALIFORNIA THAT HITS
DROUGHT YEARS IT'S WESTERN
REGION. IT'S THE. WHAT IS KNOWN
AS THE DEADPOOL SCENARIO. FOR
THE COLORADO RIVER. WHICH MEANS
YOU HIT A POINT WHERE L. A IN
SAN DIEGO, GET CUT OFF. FROM
WATER, SO IT'S EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE CAREFUL AS
A STATE. UM WHEN LOOKING AT
WATER RIGHTS. UM AND HOW WE'RE
GOING TO MANAGE THOSE RIGHTS, UM
, THAT WE DON'T END UP CUTTING
OURSELVES OFF FROM COLORADO. UM
AS THINGS MOVE ALONG, SO WITH
THAT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER MR
HART. YEAH I JUST HOPE THE DOES
THE AUTHOR PLEDGE TO NOT TRY TO
CUT US OFF OR COLORADO ORADOUR.
I PROMISE NOT TO CUT US OFF OF
COLORADO. IT WAS ONLY THAT EASY
MEMBERS. I LIKE THAT. I
APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM MY
COLLEAGUE FROM VENTURA. THAT'S
HOW I SEE THIS BILL TO VERY
PRECISE. UM ANSWER TO THE COURT
CASE THAT INVITED THE
LEGISLATURE TO SOLVE THIS
PROBLEM. THANK YOU. ANYBODY
ELSE? YOU MAY CLOSE. WELL UH,
THANK YOU FOR THE ROBUST
CONVERSATION. Y'ALL ARE
CHAMPIONS HERE GOING IN ON WHAT
? THREE HOURS OF VERY SIMILAR
CONVERSATION. AND YOU KNOW, I
HEARD FROM THE OPPOSITION. THE
WORDS FEAR AND THE WORDS BACK
ROOM SORT OF DEALINGS, YOU KNOW,
AND I UNDERSTAND THE FEAR RIGHT?
AND I THINK IN ORDER TO GET
THROUGH THAT IT WARRANTS MORE
CONVERSATION. UM BUT I THINK IT
FUNDAMENTALLY SPEAKS TO THIS.
THIS QUESTION OF DO WE BELIEVE
WATER IS A PUBLIC GOOD. AND
SHOULD WE HAVE A STATE AGENCY
THAT OVERSEES ALL OF THOSE WATER
RIGHTS? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT
THIS BILL IS AIMING TO DO AND
LISTEN. THE WORLD LOOKED A LOT
DIFFERENT PRIOR TO 1914 RIGHT.
WOMEN COULDN'T VOTE. WE HAD RED
LIGHTING THAT PREVENTED BLACK
FAMILIES FROM HOME OWNERSHIP.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD A POLL TAX. WE
HAD ALL KINDS OF THINGS ON THE
BOOKS, AND WE HAVE CREATED
PUBLIC POLICY TO CREATE EQUITY
IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. AND FOR
MANY OF OUR SENIOR WATER RIGHTS
HOLDERS, THEY STILL HOLD SOME OF
THOSE SAME PRIVILEGES THEY HAD
PRIOR TO 1914. AND SO THIS BILL
WOULD BRING ABOUT EQUITY. IT
WOULD BRING ABOUT CERTAINTY IT
WOULD BRING ABOUT A COHESIVE
REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT TO DEAL
WITH ONE OF THE MOST PRECIOUS
COMMODITIES ON EARTH, WHICH IS
WATER, WHICH IS LET'S BE HONEST
GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE
SCARCE. MAYBE NOT TODAY, BUT WE
KNOW THOSE DROUGHT YEARS ARE
COMING BACK. AND SO IT'S THE
YEAR 2023. I THINK IT'S THE
EXACT RIGHT TIME TO ADDRESS
THAT. AND WITH THAT, I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM
MR BENNETT, A SECOND FROM
PELLERIN. SECRETARY PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. 13 37 MOTION IS DUE
PASS AS AMENDED TO JUDICIARY
BAUER-KAHAN MATHIS. NO NO
COLONIES COLONIES? NO, BENNETT.
BENNETT I DALI DALI. NO DAVIES
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN I HEART HEART
I CHOLERA. PELLERIN I RUBIO
RUBIO NOT VOTING SHIAVO. VÚI
WILL PUT TO BEALL FOOD. WE'RE
NOT VOTING WARD WARD I WEBER.
ALRIGHT, THAT BILL IS ON CALL.
AND THEN UH YES, SECRETARY IF
YOU COULD CALL THE ROLL ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR AGAIN, UH, REAL
QUICK AND THEN AH MEMBERS AND
PEOPLE OF THE PUBLIC AFTER THIS,
WE WILL BE CALLING A RECESS.
UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 4 30 WHEN
THE ENVIRONMENTAL TOXIC SAFETY
COMMITTEE IS ADJOURNED. SO YEAH
, WE'RE GONNA CALL THE ROLL ON
CONSENT. AND THEN THE CALL A
RECESS UNTIL ES TÌM. THAT WE CAN
DO THAT. THAT'S FINE ON THE
CONSENT CALENDAR. ALA. NI'S
UNEASE. I FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN I
HEART HEART I CHOLERA. CHOLERA I
PELLERIN PELLERIN, I SHIAVO. VÚI
WARD WARD. I CONSENT CALENDARS.
PAST CONSENT CALENDAR HAS PASSED
AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL
THE ROLE FOR UM, ITEM 1 84 60.
FOR ANY MISSING. MEMBERS. ALL
UNEASE COLONIES. NO. ANY SNOW.
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, I HEART HEART
I CHOLERA, CHOLERA. I BUILDS OUT
ALRIGHT IN THAT BILL IS OUT
MEMBERS AGAIN. WE'RE GONNA CALL
A RECESS UNTIL ES TÌM. SO IF YOU
ARE NOT HERE, YOU CAN STILL ADD
ON UM WHEN WE COME BACK SO WE
WILL RECESS UNTIL APPROXIMATELY
4 30. FIVE OCLOCK WHEN STM IS
ADJOURNED. WE WANT TO OPEN IT
FOR HE CAN ADD ON WHEN WE GET
BACK. WE'RE ADJOURNED FOR RECESS
C¢M ON WATER, PARKS AND WILDLIFE
WILL RECONVENE AFTER OUR RECESS.
HUGE SHOUT OUT TO CHAIRMAN LEE
FOR BEING SO EFFICIENT THAT
WE'RE BACK HERE RIGHT BEFORE 4
30, SO I INVITE ALL MEMBERS OF
OUR ESTEEMED COMMITTEE TO JOIN
US IN ROOM 444, BUT WE HAVE A
QUORUM, SO WE'RE GONNA START AND
WITH THAT WE WILL BEGIN MOVING
BUSINESS WITH MR GARCIA, WHO'S
HERE, AND HE HAS A B 15 67 WHEN
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. I AM COMMITTING TO
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS LAID OUT IN THE
ANALYSIS. AS AGREED TO IN THE
NEXT COMMITTEE AND THERE WILL BE
YOU KNOW MORE WORK TO BE DONE AS
WELL. THERE. I DON'T NEED TO
TELL YOU, BUT I'LL JUST, UH,
STATE THIS FOR THE RECORD, THE
IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE TO OUR
STATE AND OUR COMMUNITIES
REQUIRES TO ACT QUICKLY.
CALIFORNIA NEEDS TO PROTECT
ITSELF AGAINST FUTURE CLIMATE
DISASTERS AND REBUILD OUR
WORKFORCE FROM AN ONGOING
PANDEMIC THAT HAS SHOWN US WHAT
CAN HAPPEN WHEN WE AREN'T
PREPARED FOR AN EMERGENCY.
ACCORDING TO THE SAFEGUARDING
CALIFORNIA PLAN OF SEVERAL YEARS
AGO, TEMPERATURES IN CALIFORNIA
HAVE INCREASED 1.8 FERN HEIGHT
ON AVERAGE OVER THE PAST
CENTURY. THIS INCREASES,
ALTERING HISTORIC CLIMATE
PATTERNS AND RESULTING IN
INCREASED FREQUENCY AND SEVERITY
OF CLIMATE EVENTS. CALIFORNIA
UNDERSTAND? CALIFORNIA IS
ALREADY EXPERIENCING CLIMATE
CHANGE, AND ITS EFFECTS WILL
INCREASE OVER THE COMING
DECADES. RELEASED SEVERAL YEARS
AGO, THE CALIFORNIA'S FOURTH
CLIMATE CHANGE ASSESSMENT FOUND
CONCLUSIVELY THE TEMPERATURES
ARE WARMING SEA LEVEL IS RISING
SNOWPACK IS DECLINING AND THAT
THE INTENSITY OF HEAVY
PRECIPITATION EVENTS, FREQUENCY
OF DROUGHT AND ACRES BURNED BY
WILDFIRE ARE ALSO INCREASING.
THE ECONOMIC COST OF THE IMPACTS
OF CLIMATE CHANGE ARE ENORMOUS.
THE FOURTH ASSESSMENT ESTIMATES
THAT BY MID CENTURY THESE COSTS
WILL EXCEED 100 BILLION.
ANNUALLY AND IT'S BROKEN DOWN TO
VARIOUS SECTIONS. THIS BILL
SEEKS TO MAKE CALIFORNIA MORE
CLIMATE RESILIENT BY INVESTING
15 BILLION AND I WILL SAY 15
BILLION IN VARIOUS ADAPTATION
ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE,
INCLUDING WILDFIRES. RISK
REDUCTION PROTECTION AGAINST SEA
LEVEL RISE DROP PREPARATION,
FLOOD PROTECTION, SAFE DRINKING
WATER, EXTREME HEAT AND STORM
EVENTS, FISH AND WILDLIFE
ADAPTATION AND AGRICULTURAL AND
WORKING LANDS. MANY OF THE
PROPOSED CUTS IN THE GOVERNOR'S
BUDGET SURROUND OUR PREVIOUS
INVESTMENTS IN CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND THIS
BOND WAS INTRODUCED AS A MEANS
TO BRIDGE THOSE FUNDING GAPS.
NOT ONLY WILL THIS MEASURE
HELPED CREATE NEW JOBS FOR
CALIFORNIANS, IT WILL CREATE
LONG TERM GREEN JOBS THAT HELPED
THE STATE REACH ITS CLIMATE
GOALS. WE MUST INVEST IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO
PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR
ENVIRONMENT AND OUR ECONOMY FROM
EVER EVOLVING CLIMATE CRISIS.
THIS BILL WILL PROMOTE EQUITY
FOSTER COMMUNITY RESILIENCE. AND
PROTECT THE MOST VULNERABLE BY
PRIORITIZING PROJECTS THAT
MEANINGFULLY BENEFIT
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES,
SEVERELY DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES AND VULNERABLE
POPULATIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE
. ALL CALIFORNIANS ARE
THREATENED BY CLIMATE CHANGE.
THEREFORE CALIFORNIA NEEDS A
COMPREHENSIVE INVESTMENT
STRATEGY TO PREPARE FOR THE
ADAPTATION OF CLIMATE IMPACTS
AND THE STATE'S PUBLIC HEALTH.
AND ALL OF THE IMPACT STORE
CALIFORNIA COMMUNITIES WITH ME
TODAY WE HAVE ISABELLA GONZALEZ
PORTER WITH THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY AND ADAM KENYANS
WITH AQUA THAT WILL TESTIFY.
THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE READY TO
MINUTES EACH PLACE. GOOD EVENING
, MADAM. CHAIR AND MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS ISABELLA GONZALEZ
PATTERN. I'M THE ASSOCIATE
DIRECTOR OF POLICY FOR THE
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER OF THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY. THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY IS A GLOBAL
ENVIRONMENTAL NONPROFIT WORKING
TO CREATE A WORLD WHERE PEOPLE
AND NATURE CAN THRIVE ACROSS
CALIFORNIA. WE'VE PROTECTED OVER
1.5 MILLION ACRES OF RIVERS,
FORESTS AND LANDS AND 6000
SQUARE MILES OF OCEAN. LIFE AS
WE KNOW IT IS AT STAKE HERE IN
CALIFORNIA AND AS ALREADY
ARTICULATED BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GARCIA. EXTREME HEAT, FLOODING,
DROUGHT, SEA LEVEL RISE AND
CATASTROPHIC WILDFIRES THREATEN
OUR HOME. THE RECENT STRING OF
ATMOSPHERIC RIVER EVENTS AND THE
OVER $1 BILLION IN DAMAGES THEY
BROUGHT IN JANUARY ALONE ARE
JUST THE LATEST EVIDENCE THAT WE
ARE FAILING TO PROTECT
CALIFORNIA FROM THE ACCELERATED
IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
DESPITE RECORD BREAKING STATE
BUDGETS, STATE INVESTMENTS IN
NATURAL RESOURCES HAVE NOT
MATCHED THE PACE AND SCALE OF
IDENTIFIED NEEDS. GOVERNOR
NEWSOM HAS ISSUED SEVERAL
REPORTS AND EXECUTIVE ORDERS
THAT HAVE CREATED A ROADMAP TO
CLIMATE RESILIENCE IN CALIFORNIA
THAT HELPED GUIDE AND DIRECT
INVESTMENTS. THE STRATEGIC PLANS
ALSO UNDERSCORE THE NEED FOR
SIGNIFICANT FUNDING FOR CLIMATE
AND NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS. THE
CLIMATE BOND SHOULD DRIVE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE PLANS
AND FINANCE PROJECTS TO IMPROVE
WATER RESULTS. RESILIENCE
PROTECT THE STATE FROM
CATASTROPHIC WILDFIRE, SEA LEVEL
RISE AND EXTREME HEAT AND ENSURE
CALIFORNIA MEETS ITS COMMITMENT
TO PROTECT 30% OF BIODIVERSITY
BY 2030. ALSO KNOWN AS 30 BY 30,
AND I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE
IMPORTANCE OF THE NUMBER THAT IS
REMEMBER, GARCIA WAS
ARTICULATING THAT'S $15 BILLION
WORTH OF B. WE REALLY DO THINK
IT NEEDS TO BE A LARGE NUMBER
JUST TO MEET THE MAGNITUDE OF
THE PROBLEM. OUR STATE SIMPLY
CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP CLEANING UP
ONE DISASTER AFTER THE NEXT WE
NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM SIMPLY
BEING REACTIVE AND START BEING
MORE PROACTIVE. WE NEED A
SERIOUS INVESTMENT IN NATURE
BAIT CLIMATE SOLUTIONS NOW. WE
APPLAUD. REMEMBER GARCIA FOR
INTRODUCING A B 15 67, WHICH
WILL PROVIDE THAT STRUCTURED
INVESTMENT PLAN THAT IS NEEDED
TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES OF
CLIMATE CHANGE AND PROVIDE
STABLE LONG TERM FUNDING FOR
NATURE BASED CLIMATE SOLUTIONS.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK HER. I VOTE.
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS ADAM KENYANS
ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA WATER AGENCIES WANT
TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
TO TESTIFY TODAY AND I WANT TO
THANK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA,
WHO'S REALLY BEEN A LEADER ON
THIS ISSUE. I KNOW HE HAS BEEN
WORKING ON THIS FOR A NUMBER OF
YEARS, HIM AND HIS STAFF, SO I
WANT TO THANK HIM AS WELL.
MEMBERS IT'S TIME TO INVEST IN
CALIFORNIA'S AGING WATER
INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM AGAIN AS
THE LAST YEAR HAS SHOWN AS THE
STATE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE
SYSTEM WAS NOT DESIGNED TO
EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THE WEATHER
EXTREMES OF OUR CHANGING
CLIMATE. DURING THIS TIME, THE
STATE HAS EXPERIENCED ONE OF THE
DRIEST PERIODS ON RECORD WHERE
RIVERS AND RESERVOIRS RAN DRY.
FOLLOWED BY HISTORIC RAINFALL
THAT HAS FLOODED MUCH OF THE
STATE DEVASTATING COMMUNITIES,
HOMES AND BUSINESSES.
INVESTMENTS ARE NEEDED TO
STRENGTHEN CALIFORNIA'S WATER
INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEMS SUPPORT,
RELIABLE AND SAFE WATER SUPPLY
AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES. AS
THE COMMITTEE ANALYSIS
HIGHLIGHTS THE PROJECTED COSTS
TO ADAPT TO CLIMATE CHANGE WILL
FAR EXCEED THE COST OF
INVESTMENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING
TODAY. BUT STILL WE, YOU KNOW,
THE BILL PRESENTS A REALLY GREAT
START AND JUST TO TOUCH ON THE
NUMBER OF 15 BILLION WITH A B,
WE HAVE SEEN REALLY STRONG
SUPPORT IN POLLING DATA THAT
SOME OF OUR PARTNERS HAVE DONE,
UM, THAT THAT SHOWS SUPPORT FOR
15 AND EVEN POTENTIALLY $18
BILLION OF INVESTMENT. SO THAT'S
REALLY ENCOURAGING. AQUA
REPRESENTS OVER 460 PUBLIC WATER
AGENCIES THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA
THAT ARE DEALING WITH CLIMATE
CHANGE RIGHT NOW. AND WE'RE
REALLY HAPPY TO BE WORKING ON
AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD HELP
SECURE CALIFORNIA'S WATER FUTURE
ARE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD
INCREASE INVESTMENTS IN A NUMBER
OF KEY WATER CATEGORIES,
INCLUDING RECYCLED WATER IN
DESALINATION HAPPY TO SEE THOSE
AMENDMENTS IN THE COMMITTEE.
ANALYSIS GROUNDWATER RECHARGE
FLOOD PROTECTION UM, DAM SAFETY
, WHICH WE HOPE WILL BE ADDED
INTO THE BILL, CAPTURING AND
MOVING ADDITIONAL FLOOD FLOWS.
AND FUNDING FOR THE STATE WATER
PROJECT. UM WE'VE SEEN GREAT
INVESTMENT OVER THE LAST COUPLE
OF YEARS FROM THIS LEGISLATURE
AND THE GOVERNOR AND I WANT TO
UNDERSCORE HOW MUCH THAT IS
APPRECIATED, BUT WE MUST DO
MORE. FROM FLOODING THROUGHOUT
THE STATE. FAST CONTAMINATION OF
GROUNDWATER RESOURCES SUBSIDENCE
CAUSED BY OVER DRAFTING AND OUR
INABILITY TO CAPTURE FLOOD
FLOWS. THESE ALL IMPACT
CALIFORNIA'S WATER RELIABILITY
AND WE MUST INVEST NOW I KNOW
WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS
PROCESS SO VERY HAPPY TO BE
WORKING WITH THE MEMBER'S OFFICE
AND URGE YOUR SUPPORT TODAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO WE HAVE
ANY FOLKS HERE IN OPPOSITION?
SEEING NONE. IF ANYONE IN THE
ROOM WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT. OR
OPPOSITION, BUT SINCE NOBODY
STOOD UP, I'M ASSUMING GIRLS
PART. PLEASE JOIN US AT THE MIC
AND NAME ORGANIZATION POSITION,
PLEASE. HI MEGAN CLEVELAND ON
BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA CHILD AND
TRIED ON THE IN SPORT. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE DANNY MERKLEY, WITH
THE GLAUCOMA GROUP ON BEHALF OF
OUR FLOOD CONTROL AND WATER.
CLIENTS LIKE TO SEE THIS MEASURE
MOVED FORWARD FOR ROBUST
DISCUSSIONS. GONZALES ON BEHALF
OF THE CITY OF COACHELLA WANT TO
THANK THE AUTHOR FOR INCLUDING
FUNDING TO HELP WORKING CLASS
COMMUNITIES LIKE COACHELLA
COMPLY WITH THE FORTHCOMING
CHROMIUM SEX DRINKING WATER
STANDARDS. WE ALL WANT SAFE AND
AFFORDABLE WATER. BUT IF IT'S
NOT AFFORDABLE STATE POLICY
MISSES THE MARK. SO THANK YOU.
HI THERE. MARK HENLEY,
CALIFORNIA WATERFALL ASSOCIATION
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. BETH LAST
ARAMBULA HAVE A NUMBER OF
CLIENTS SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
WATER REUSE CALIFORNIA, UM IN
SUPPORT WOULD LOVE TO SEE
INCREASED INVESTMENT. WE GOBBLE
UP ALL THE WATER RECYCLING MONEY
VERY, VERY QUICKLY. WE ARE NOT
SEEING THE MONEY COMING FROM.
WE'RE JUST DOING NAME POSITION.
SERRANO WATER DISTRICT AND CNN
AND WATERSHED PROJECT
AUTHORITIES. BUT WE LOVE WATER
RECYCLING, TOO. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS CHRIS VALENCIA ON BEHALF
THE SELLING IS BENDING TOO MUCH
INDIANS. WE HAVE A SUPPORT IF
AMENDED POSITION AND
RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT FUNDING
FOR IR WFSB INCLUDED, AS WELL AS
INCREASED TO 666 MILLION. THANK
YOU. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE, LOUIS BROWN TODAY ON
BEHALF OF WESTERN AFFAIRS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT OF THE
BILL. THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE. NAME
ORGANIZATION POSITION LU█T.
WELL, I HAVE BAD NEWS. I'M
DONALD FORMALLY HAVE A POSITION,
BUT LILY MCCANN BEHALF OF SAN
DIEGO WATER AUTHORITY, JUST
WANTED TO APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR
FOR THE BOND AND SUPPORT THE
INCLUSION OF DAM SAFETY FUNDING.
THANK YOU. THAT WAS CLOSE TO YOU
, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS DOUG
HOUSTON HERE REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA PARK AND RECREATION
SOCIETY. EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK
DISTRICT IN ABOUT TWO DOZEN
OTHERS. SUPPORTERS LIFTED ON THE
ANALYSIS URGING YOUR SUPPORT.
THANKS. EVERYBODY COME UP AND
SAY WHAT THEY WANTED IN THE
BOND. STACY CORLISS THIS YEAR IT
CONSORTIUM SUPPORT. HIÂU
GONZALEZ ON BEHALF OF THE SALTON
SEA AUTHORITY, A JOINT POWERS
AUTHORITY CONSISTING OF THE
COACHELLA VALLEY WATER DISTRICT
, IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT,
THE COUNTIES OF RIVERSIDE AND
IMPERIAL AND TOURS. MARTINEZ
DISTRICT. KAWEAH INDIANS
SUPPORTIVE AMENDED TO INCREASE
THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR THE
SALTON SEA TO $500 MILLION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SEEING NO
ADDITIONAL FOLKS IN THE ROOM.
LET'S GO TO THE PHONE LINES FOR
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION AND NAME
ORGANIZATION POSITION ONLY.
PLEASE. I KNOW IT'S HARD. BUT
THE AUTHOR IS A MAN WITH AN OPEN
DOOR, SO FEEL FREE TO CALL IT
YOU, MADAM CHAIR FOR THOSE WHO
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION. PLEASE PRESS ONE
THAN ZERO PRESS 10. ONLY ONE
TIME AS PRESSING WITHIN ZERO
SECOND TIME WILL REMOVE YOU FROM
THE KILL. AND WE WILL NOW GO TO
LINE 1 42. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
ALRIGHT THIS IS RICK SHUFFLE, A
RESIDENT OF THE 16TH ASSEMBLY
DISTRICT, AND MY FAMILY
SUPPORTS. THAT'S MY ASSEMBLY
DISTRICT FOR ANYONE PAYING
ATTENTION. YES I MET HIM A MADAM
CHAIR. WE DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL
PERSON TO SIGNAL WE WISH TO
SPEAK, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
LIGHT 1 41. GOOD AFTERNOON
CHARITY. TWO COINS TODAY. FIRST
IS THREE PEOPLE AND STRONG
SUPPORT OF THIS BOND MEASURE, AS
WELL AS IRVINE RANCH WATER
DISTRICT, SUPPORTED COMMENDED
AND ALIGNED WITH OUR QUEST.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY,
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. MANY MEMBERS. MR HART
WOULD MOVE APPROVAL AND JUST
THANK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA
FOR TAKING ON SUCH A BIG,
AMBITIOUS EFFORT, UM, CRITICALLY
ADDRESSING SOME OF THE BIGGEST
ISSUES THAT ARE FACING THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA AND REALLY
APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE
ALL DOING TO IMPROVE DROUGHT
PROTECTION. WILDFIRE RISK
COASTAL PROTECTION, CLIMATE,
RESILIENCE, EXTREME HEAT AND THE
PROTECTION AND RESTORATION OF
NATURAL LANDS. AWESOME THANK
YOU. MR HART. MR KALRA. AND A
SECOND ON THAT MOTION AND ONE I
ALSO THANK THE AUTHOR IS AN
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT ENDEAVOR
ALSO APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR AND
HIS STAFF WERE, UM, ENGAGING
WITH MY STAFF AS WELL BECAUSE I
THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY GOING
TO BE A TEAM EFFORT. AND I'M
DEFINITELY ON BOARD. SO THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHOLERA.
ANYONE ELSE SEEING NONE. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE RECOGNIZING
THE WORK OF THE MEMBERS OF YOUR
COMMITTEE WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING
ON THIS PARTICULAR, UM, EFFORT.
MAYBE NOT THIS SPECIFIC BILL
GOING BACK SEVERAL YEARS
ATTACKED TEEMING WITH MR MULLEN
AND WANTING TO REALLY INCREASE
THE INVESTMENTS GOING INTO THESE
AREAS. THERE'S EIGHT SECTIONS
HERE THAT MAKE UP THE BOND THAT
I THINK EQUITABLY ADDRESS A
NUMBER OF THE CRITICAL ISSUES
THAT THAT YOU MAKE REFERENCE TO
UM, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
WE ANTICIPATE SOME ADDITIONAL
CHANGES. UH POLICY CHANGES.
ASIDE FROM THE ANALYSIS THAT
WILL BE DONE, APPROPRIATIONS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT CREATIVE WAYS
TO INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
OUR SCHOOLS TO BECOME MORE
RESILIENT. WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS
TO INCREASE MONEY FOR DAMS. UM
AS WELL AS, UM OTHER SECTIONS
THAT ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED. TO
PURCHASE POTENTIALLY INCREASED
THE LEVELS OF FUNDING. SO THANK
YOU, EVERYONE WHO CAME OUT AND
SUPPORT AND AS YOU SAID, CHAIR,
THE DOOR IS OPEN AND WE'RE GOING
TO CONTINUE TO WORK
COLLABORATIVELY TO MAKE THIS,
UM, A SUCCESSFUL RUN, SO THANK
YOU AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU, MR GARCIA.
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
ONGOING EFFORT. THIS HAS BEEN A
MANY YEAR EFFORT ON YOUR PART,
AND I THINK THAT WE ARE SEEING
THE IMPORTANCE OF IT NOW, MORE
THAN EVER. ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS
CAN'T STOP US FROM DOING THE
WORK WE NEED TO DO IN CLIMATE
CHANGE AND CLIMATE RESILIENCY.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS AN
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT EFFORT THAT
YOU'RE LEADING AND WAS VERY
THOUGHTFUL AS A NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA MEMBER TO A SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA MEMBER. I THINK YOU
DID A GOOD JOB OF ALSO BEING
REALLY COGNIZANT OF THE ENTIRE
STATES NEEDS AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THAT. SO
WITH THAT, I RECOMMEND AN AYE
VOTE AND WE WILL TAKE A VOTE.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THE MOTION IS DUE PAST THE
NATURAL RESOURCES. A B 15 67
BAUER-KAHAN AND I. MATHIS
MATHIS, NO COLONIES. ABSTAIN
BENNETT DOLLY! DAVIES. DAVIES,
NOT VOTING, FRIEDMAN. HEART
HEART I CHOLERA, CHOLERA. I
PELLERIN A RUBIO RUBIO I SHIAVO
PHIL VALLAPUDUA. WARD AND WEBER.
ABILITIES ON CALL. WE'LL LEAVE
IT FOR ABS AND MEMBERS. THANK
YOU. MS SORIA. THANK YOU FOR
JOINING US. YOU HAVE A B 8 30
WHEN YOU'RE READY. WE DO WE HAVE
A COURT FROM THIS MORNING. SO
MOTION BY MISS DAVIES, THE
SECOND BY MR MATHIS. IS THAT
RIGHT? SO GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
AND MEMBERS FIRST. LET ME BEGIN
BY ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU TO THE
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR YOUR WORK ON
THE AMENDMENTS. I BELIEVE IT
MAKES IT A BETTER BILL MEMBERS
WITH THE HEAVY RAINS. CALIFORNIA
HAS THIS EXPERIENCES THIS YEAR.
IT IS NOW MORE IMPORTANT THAN
EVER THAT WE DO EVERYTHING IN
OUR POWER TO CAPTURE WATER
DURING WET YEARS TO BE BETTER
POSITIONED TO ENDURE THE DRY
YEARS. UM MAYBE 88 36 TO
STREAMLINE THE PERMITTING
PROCESS AND SUPPORT FOR FLOOD
MORE ACTIVITIES WHEN DIVERTING
LOCAL FLOOD WATER INTO REGIONAL
GROUNDWATER BASINS. GROUNDWATER
IS AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE IN OUR
REGION, BOTH FOR DRINKING AND
FOR AGRICULTURAL IRRIGATION.
UNFORTUNATELY GROUNDWATER OVER
OVERDRAFT PRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT
PROBLEM IN THE SAN JOAQUIN
VALLEY. MAYBE 8 30. REPRESENTS A
COMMON SENSE STEP FORWARD TO
BOTH FIGHTING FLOODS AND
RECHARGING GROUNDWATER. THE BILL
ALLOWS WATER DIVERTER IS TO BE
EXEMPTED FROM THE FISH AND
WILDLIFE LAKE AND STREAM PERMIT
ON A TEMPORARY TEMPORARY BASIS
WHEN A STREAM IS REACHING FLOOD
STAGE OR FLOOD MONITOR STAGE AND
ASSUMING THEY RECEIVED THE
REQUIRED PERMITTING THROUGH THE
STATE WATER RESOURCES CONTROL
BOARD A B 8 30 HAS A TREMENDOUS
OPPORTUNITY TO HELP BENEFIT
GROUNDWATER RECHARGE, ESPECIALLY
FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES
WORKING TO COMPLY WITH 16.
DOUBLE GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT
ACT SIGMA. THE BILL IS DIRECTLY
ALIGNED WITH THE GOALS OF THE
GOVERNOR'S AUGUST 2022
CALIFORNIA WATER SUPPLY
STRATEGY. ADAPTING TO A HOTTER,
DRIER FUTURE. AH, THE STRATEGY
SPECIFICALLY CALLS FOR THE
STREAMLINING OF FLOOD MARK.
GROUNDWATER RECHARGING, RECHARGE
PERMITTING, UM, A B 8 30 WILL
IMPLEMENT THAT STRATEGY AND SO
HERE TODAY TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORTIVE MAYBE 8 30. I HAVE
TWO WITNESSES. WE HAVE THE
DEPUTY GENERAL MANAGER OF WATER
AND SUPPLIES SUPPLY AND WRITES
FROM MERCED IRRIGATION DISTRICT.
UM AND ALSO THE WATER AND LAND
SOLUTION. SPREAD SANDWICHED
SAMUELSSON. THANK YOU, MISS
SORIA, FOUR MINUTES. AS YOU SEE
FIT. OKAY, UM. GOOD MORNING.
GOOD AFTERNOON. HAVE BEEN HERE
SINCE MORNING. YEAH UH,
CHAIRWOMAN AND THE REST OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS LISA MODEL
HAS MENTIONED AND I HAVE BEEN
WITH MERCEDES GATIEN DISTRICT
SINCE 1993 AND I'M, THE DEPUTY
JAIL MANAGER FOR WATER SUPPLY
AND WATER RIGHTS, SO I WANT MY
TENDER WITH THEM. I'D I HAVE
BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH
GROUNDWATER ISSUES. AND THE LAST
YEAR MERCEDES RADIATION DISTRICT
AND THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
WAR RESOURCES WORK TOGETHER TO
OBTAIN THE NECESSARY WORLD,
RIGHT PERMITTING FROM THE STATE
WATER RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD
ALLOWANCE FOR THE DIVERSION OF
FLOOD WATER INTO THE GROUNDWATER
RECHARGE THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT
ACTIVITY, KNOWN ALSO AS FLOOD
MORE TWO QUICK THINGS I WOULD
LIKE TO POINT OUT FIRST THAT THE
WATER WAS INTENDED TO BE
DIVERTED BY GROWERS OUTSIDE
MERCED IRRIGATION DISTRICT. THE
ONLY REASON WE DO THAT, BECAUSE
IT BENEFITS UM I'D BY HELPING
REPLENISH ISSUED GROUNDWATER
BASIN. THE OTHER IS OUR LOCAL
GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY PLAN
FOR THE MERCED. THE GROUNDWATER
BASIN WAS ONE OF THE SIX WHICH
WERE OF THE 12 THAT WERE
ACCEPTED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF
WAR RESOURCES. I SHARED THIS TO
SAY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BE A
GOOD STEWARDS WITH ALL RESOURCES
AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE
PROACTIVE IN OUR APPROACH TO
GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT. OUR
PILOT PROJECT HAD TWO AIMS ONE
WE WANTED TO PHYSICALLY DIVERT
WATER FROM MARIPOSA CREEK AS IT
REACHED FLOOD STAGE. TWO NEARBY
LANDS WHERE IT COULD RECHARGE
LOCAL GROUNDWATER TO AND THE
OTHER ONE IS AND PERHAPS MORE
IMPORTANT, WE WANTED TO GO
THROUGH THE ACTUAL PERMITTING
PROCESS TO RECEIVE A TEMPORARY
WAR RIGHT PERMIT. FROM THE STATE
WATER SOURCE CONTROL BOARD, SO
WE FULLY ANTICIPATED THERE WOULD
BE CHALLENGES. UH THAT WE WANTED
TO IDENTIFY AND WHATEVER
ROADBLOCKS WE MAY HAVE FOR
OURSELVES AND FOR FUTURE ROLE
WATER MANAGERS WHO WANTED TO
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FLOOD MORE
AS THE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE,
TOO. AS WE WENT THROUGH THE
PROCESS, WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN
THE NECESSARY TEMPORARY WATER
RIGHT PERMITTING FROM THE STATE
BOARD. HOWEVER AS A CONDITION OF
THAT PERMIT CAN CALIFORNIA FISH
AND WILDLIFE REQUIRED US TO
OBTAIN THE SO CALLED 1600 LAKE
AND STREAM ALTERATION AGREEMENT,
THE PYRAMID PLACED DOZENS OF
ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON US
FOR THE EFFORT. THESE INCLUDED
SUCH REQUIREMENT AS OBSERVING
THE REPORTING OF WILDLIFE,
RESTRICTING WORK OR TO DAYLIGHT
HOURS AND INSPECTING VEHICLES
AND TOOLS FOR UNDESIRABLE
SPECIES, AMONG OTHERS. THE WATER
GROWER IS GOING TO RECEIVE FOR
SUCH A FLOOD. MORE ACTIVITY IS
TOO SMALL AMOUNT WHEN COMPARED
TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAKE
AND STREAM BY THE ALTERATION
PERMIT. THE STREAMS USED FOR
FLOOD DIVERSION COULD ONLY SEE
THESE STAGES ABOUT ONCE EVERY
FIVE YEARS. SO DURING VERY
EXTREME WEATHER CONDITIONS,
DEFICIENT FISH AND GAME CODE
ALREADY LAYS OUT VARIOUS
EXEMPTIONS FOR FLOOD FIGHTING.
AS IT RELATES TO REQUIREMENTS OF
THE L S AGREEMENT, SO THEY DON'T
THERE CERTAIN TIMES YOU DON'T
HAVE TO HAVE UNLESS AGREEMENTS
CURRENTLY IF YOU HAVE TWO PUMPS
SIDE BY SIDE AND ON THE SAME
CREEK FIGHT ONE FIGHTING FOR
FLOOD SENDING WATER TO A NEARBY
FARM FIELD, THE ONE THAT IS
SIMPLY PUMPING FOR FLOOD
FIGHTING REQUIRES NO LESS A
AGREEMENT. HOWEVER THE PUMP
THERE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE
TEMPORARY WAR, RIGHT? ALLOWING
FOR GRANDMA RETORT IS EXPECTED
TO HAVE AN L S A AGREEMENT THEN
THAT MAKES NO SENSE. I BELIEVE
WE SHOULD BE INCENTIVIZING
FARMERS AND WATER MANAGERS TO
HELP THEMSELVES COMPLY WITH THE
SUSTAINABLE GROUNDWATER
MANAGEMENT ACT, NOT DISCONTENT.
THIS INCENTIVIZING THEM ASSEMBLY
BUILD A 30 DRAWERS FROM THE
LANGUAGE OF THE GOVERNOR'S
NEWSOM'S RECENT DROUGHT
EMERGENCY ORDER. TO ENSURE A
PAYMENT EXEMPTION. FOR WATER
MANAGERS AND LAND ORDERS TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF TEMPORARY WATER
RIGHTS FOR FLOOD MORE DIVERSIONS
. THE LEGISLATION IS IN LINE
WITH THE GOVERNMENT'S AUGUST
2022 WATER SUPPLY STRATEGY FOR
STREAMLINING GROUNDWATER
MANAGEMENT PERMITTING AS WELL.
THIS LEGISLATION HAS TREMENDOUS
POTENTIAL BENEFIT FOR WATER
MANAGERS AND FARMERS ACROSS THE
STATE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR FOR
ALL YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION
WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU
SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION. VERY
LITTLE TIME LEFT, BUT I'LL GIVE
YOU SOME TIME. QUICK THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TIME. UH AS WELL YOUR
TIME, AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE
COMMITTEE. I WAS INTIMATELY
INVOLVED WITH MERCEDES
IRRIGATION DISTRICT AND THE
DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES IN
THIS, UH, TEMPORARY WATER, RIGHT
PERMIT AND. I REPRESENT MOST OF
THE LANDOWNERS OUTSIDE MERCEDES
IRRIGATION DISTRICT THAT ARE
CONSIDERED WHITE AREA AND ARE
REALLY FACING THE EXTREME
CONSEQUENCES OF SIGMA,
BASICALLY, UH LAND FOLLOWING IT
UP TO 50% OF THEIR FARMS.
THEY'RE GONNA IT'S GONNA BE
DEVASTATING TO OUR REGION. WELL,
THIS, UH TEMPORARY PERMIT WAS
MEANT TO EXPEDITE FLOOD MAR
UNHEALTHY AQUIFER, AND ACTUALLY
, THERE'S BEEN ZERO WATER
DIVERTED UNDER THE TEMPORARY
PERMIT, WHILE MUCH WATER HAS
BEEN DIVERTED UNDER THE
GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER. SO I
WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO PASS
THIS BILL AND THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ANYONE HERE? UH, IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL. LOOK AT
US SEEING NONE. ANYONE IN THE
ROOM. WANNA ADD THEIR SUPPORT
WITH NAME? POSITION. AN
ORGANIZATION. THANK YOU, MADAM.
CHAIR MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE DANNY
MERKLEY WITH THE GUANACO GROUP
ON BEHALF OF OUR KINGS RIVER.
INTEREST IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NOW WE WILL GO TO THE PHONES FOR
ANY SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION. FIRST
ONE AND ZERO. IF YOU WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION
TO THIS BILL. AND MADAM CHAIR.
WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO SIGNALED
THAT THEY WISH TO SPEAK JUST A
MOMENT, PLEASE.
GONNA GO TO LINE 1 51. YOUR LINE
IS NOW OPEN. HI GOOD AFTERNOON,
MRS ALEX, BEARING WITH A
CALIFORNIA FARM BUREAU IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. YEAH. AUSTRALIA
NIECE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
UH I JUST WANT TO TELL THE
AUTHOR THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL UP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP IN THIS CENTRAL
VALLEY. LAWMAKERS OBVIOUSLY
UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THIS
BILL IS. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE
TO MOVE OR SECOND THIS, BUT I AM
GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU DON'T
MIND ME, CO AUTHORING.
ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU, MR MATHIS.
I'M GONNA GO ONE MORE THAN CO
AUTHOR. I'LL ASK TO BE YOUR
JOYNER NH█P. FLOODING IN MY
DISTRICT IS A PRIMARY EXAMPLE OF
WHY WE NEED THIS AND I
APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS, AND I
WANT TO SHOW THAT BIPARTISAN
SUPPORT. ABSOLUTELY. AMAZING
SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS. SORRY
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? UM,
SURE. CHAIRWOMAN THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PRESENT. I ALSO JUST WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER ORGANIZATION
THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE
ANALYSIS BUT HAS UM HAS ALSO
EXTENDED THEIR SUPPORTERS. THE
EASTER LOCK SUB BASIN.
GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY BASIN
. UM AS YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND,
THIS IS A CRITICAL ISSUE FOR THE
VALLEY AS WE EXPERIENCED THIS
THIS ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS. I THINK
THIS IS A WIN WIN. FOR EVERYONE
ACROSS THE BOARD, AND SO I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR EYE
BOAT. YEAH THANK YOU. AND THANK
YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THIS
SPACE AND BRINGING US TOGETHER
AS A COMMITTEE. WE NEEDED THAT
TODAY, MISSERIYA. SO WITH THAT
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH THE MOTION IS DUE PASSES
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. A B 8 30
ABOUT BAUER-KAHAN HIGH MATHIS
MATHIS COLONIES, BENNETT. DOLLY
DOLLY! I DAVIES DAVIES I
FRIEDMAN HEART HEART I CHOLERA
CHOLERA. I PELLERIN I RUBIO
RUBIO. I SHIAVO VALLAPUDUA WARD
WEBER. THAT BILL HAS NINE VOTES.
IT'S OUT, WE WILL HAVE A WE'RE
ALL OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. I
SEE MR GALLAGHER. THAT MEANS
EUROPE. BILL. WE HAVE A MOTION
BY MR MATHIS. WE HAVE A SECOND.
SECOND BY MR ALI. YOU'VE GOT
EMOTION IN A SECOND, SIR. WHEN
YOU'RE READY, THIS IS A B A 59.
OKAY, I'LL TRY TO BE VERY BRIEF,
MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, UM THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT BILL TO JUST CLARIFY,
UH, HUNTING ON NAVIGABLE WATERS
. YOU KNOW MANY PEOPLE ON OUR
RIVER WAYS. UM, AND THERE HAS
BEEN SOME PRETTY CLEAR. UH
ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS THAT
HAVE, YOU KNOW, DECLARED THIS
HUNTING RIGHT TO BE INTEGRAL. UM
YEAH. AND BUT STILL HUNTERS OR
SOMETIMES CITED FOR TRESPASSING
WHEN THEY'RE USING NAVIGABLE
WATERS TO HUNT. THIS WOULD
CLARIFY THIS LAW AND STATUTE, UM
AND HELP ENSURE THAT EVERYONE
HAS THE RIGHT TO PLANT USING OUR
PUBLIC RESOURCES, OUR WATERWAYS
SO I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT
FOR THIS IMPORTANT MEASURE AND I
DO HAVE MARK HENLEY WITH THE
CALIFORNIA WATERFALL ASSOCIATION
AND MARK SMITH FROM THE SMITH
POLICY GROUP TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MARK
HENLEY WITH CALIFORNIA WATERFOWL
ASSOCIATION REPRESENTING DUCK
HUNTERS, AS WELL AS MANY PRIVATE
LANDOWNERS WHO CONSERVE WETLANDS
AND OTHER WATERFOWL HABITAT. OUR
ASSOCIATION BY THE WAY, ALSO
OWNS SEVERAL WETLANDS ACROSS THE
STATE, WHICH WE OPENED UP TO
PUBLIC USE AND EDUCATION. MAYBE
8 59 AMENDS THE PROVISIONS IN
THE FISH AND GAME CODE SECTION
2016 THAT EFFECTIVELY
DISCRIMINATES AGAINST DUCK
HUNTERS BY PREVENTING THEM FROM
ACCESSING NAVIGABLE FLOODWATERS
UNDER THREAT OF A MISDEMEANOR
TRESPASSING CHARGE. NO OTHER
PUBLIC USE OF NAVIGABLE WATERS
IS CRIMINALIZED IN THIS WAY.
THERE'S A STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL
OPINION THAT IS CONCLUDED THAT
SECTION 2016 VIOLATES THE
NAVIGABLE WATER SECTION OF THE
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION, WHICH
FORBIDS PRIVATE ENTITIES FROM
BLOCKING ACCESS TO NAVIGABLE
WATERS AND REQUIRES QUOTE THE
LEGISLATURE TO ENACT SUCH LAWS,
AS SHALL GIVE THE MOST LIBERAL
CONSTRUCTION TO THIS PROVISION.
SO THAT ACCESS TO THE NAVIGABLE
WATERS OF THE STATE SHALL ALWAYS
BE ATTAINABLE TO THE PEOPLE
THEREOF. THE OPINION AS WELL AS
A SUBSEQUENT OPINION IN 1997
ALSO CONCLUDE THAT HUNTING IS AN
INTEGRAL PART OF THE RIGHT OF
NAVIGATION. A B 8 59 IS NARROWLY
TAILORED TO THE CONCLUSIONS OF
THESE OPINIONS AND ONLY AMENDS
SECTION 2016 WITHOUT CHANGING
ANY OTHER PROVISION OF LAW. ALL
OTHER STATE LAWS GOVERNING
HUNTING REMAIN UNAFFECTED,
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO
RESTRICTIONS ON HUNTING NEAR
BUILDINGS AND ROADS.
PROHIBITIONS ON NEGLIGENT,
NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS
AND MANDATORY HUNTER SAFETY
CLASSES FOR PERSPECTIVE,
HUNTERS. AND AS THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS CORRECTLY POINTS OUT TO
CALIFORNIA FISH AND GAME
COMMISSION RETAINS ITS AUTHORITY
TO BAN OR REGULATE HUNTING IN
ANY PART OF THE STATE. ALSO NOTE
THAT DUCK HUNTING ON NAVIGABLE
FLOODWATERS FOR PRACTICAL
PURPOSES IS LIMITED TO VERY
RURAL FLOOD WAYS IN THE STATE
THAT GENERALLY LACK HUMAN
HABITATION, BUT PROVIDE
APPROPRIATE WATERFALL HABITAT.
LET ME JUST SAY WITHOUT THIS
BILL, DUCK HUNTERS EXERCISING
THEIR RIGHTS WILL CONTINUE TO BE
CHARGED BY SOME LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS OR HARASSED BY
LANDOWNERS WHO DO NOT HAVE
ACCESS TO THE OPINIONS. WHILE WE
ARE NOT AWARE OF EVEN ONE CASE
OF A DUCK HUNTER BEING
SUCCESSFULLY PROSECUTED UNDER
THE FLOODWATERS, RESTRICTIONS OF
SECTION 2016, PLEASE NOTE THAT
THE LEGAL PROCESS STILL COST THE
HUNTER LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE
COURT SYSTEM SIGNIFICANT TIME
AND MONEY. IN CLOSING A B 8 59
AND HELPS PROTECT ACCESS TO A
PUBLIC TRUST RESOURCE VERY
SIMILAR TO OTHER EFFORTS ACROSS
CALIFORNIA AND THE WEST TO KEEP
BEACH IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND
RIVERS AVAILABLE FOR
RECREATIONAL USE. WE RESPECT
RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE MARK SMITH ON BEHALF
OF THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
GUIDES AND SPORTSMEN'S
ASSOCIATION. JUST TWO THINGS I
WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FIRST IS
THE ANALYSIS POINTS OUT EXAMPLES
OF AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BEEN EITHER HARASSED OR
CITED OR HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH
THE COURT SYSTEM IN ORDER TO
PROVE THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS
NOT A CRIME, RIGHT? SO WHAT?
WE'RE ASKING FOR US THAT RELIEF
IN ADVANCE? IN ACCORDANCE WITH
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINIONS
THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY ISSUED
. AND THEN AGAIN, I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A
FUNDAMENTAL PUBLIC TRUST
DOCTRINE. THIS IS A PUBLIC
RIGHT, SO THIS IS REALLY NO
DIFFERENT THAN WHEN WE HAVE THE
CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PUBLIC'S
ABILITY TO ACCESS A BEACH. BELOW
THE HIGH TIDE LINE, RIGHT? YOU
CAN'T PRIVATELY OWNED THAT BEACH
AND THAT PROPERTY FOR THOSE OF
YOU THAT LIKE TO WATCH
YELLOWSTONE, RIGHT, YOU KNOW THE
MOVIE ABOUT THE COST. KEVIN
COSTNER FILM IN MONTANA. WHEN
BETH DUTTON MEETS ROURKE. HE'S
FLY FISHING IN A STREAM IN THE
MIDDLE OF THEIR PROPERTY. SHE
TELLS HIM TO GET THE HECK OUT
WELL, SHE WAS WRONG. HE'S
ALLOWED TO BE IN THAT STREAM AS
LONG AS HE DOESN'T GET ABOVE THE
HIGH WATER MARK AND TRESPASS ON
THE LAND. THIS IS SOMETHING IN
THE WEST. THAT'S BEEN A
FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE FOR A LONG
TIME. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT
OF THE BILL TODAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND RIGHT
AT FOUR MINUTES. APPRECIATE YOU
BOTH. UM AH. ANY OTHER ANY
OPPOSITION IN THE ROOM? SEEING
NONE. ANYONE LIKE TO JOIN US IN
THE MICROPHONE, TOO? ADD SUPPORT
TO THE BILL OR OPPOSITION.
SEEING NONE. LET'S GO TO THE
PHONES, ANY SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION ON THE PHONES. AND
GENTLEMEN, PLEASE PRESS ONE AND
ZERO IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF THIS
BILL. OKAY AND WE'RE GOING TO GO
TO LINE 1 42. YOUR LINE IS NOW
OPEN. ALRIGHT THIS IS RICK
SCHUESSEL, A RESIDENT OF THE
CHAIRS 16TH ASSEMBLY DISTRICT
AND MY FAMILY STRONGLY STRONGLY
SUPPORT. WILL NOW MOVE ON TO
LINE 1 53. YOUR LINE IS NOW
OPEN. 1 53. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
STEVE MAHRE VÀ PUBLIC LAND. DUCK
HUNTERS STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS.
AND NOW BLIND 1 40. YOUR LINE IS
NOW OPEN. LINE 1 40. YOUR LINE
IS OPEN. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON
THE LINE. 1 50. PARDON ME. I WON
40 PLEASE PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO
GUN. WE'RE GOING OUT TO LINE 1
50. 1 50. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
WELL THIS IS JOHN CLARK AND
FARRELL'S CALIFORNIA AND I
SUPPORT THIS BILL. LINE 1 55.
YOUR LINE IS NOW OPEN. THIS IS
TRACY FRIEND. I'VE BEEN HUNTING
FOR 56 YEARS ON REFUGES AND DUCK
CLUB AND I SUPPORT A B 8 59.
THANK YOU. LINE 1 56. LINE 1 56.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. HELLO. YOUR
YOUR LINE IS OPEN, SIR. OH I'M
SORRY. THIS IS KEVIN BACK, DAISY
AND I AM IN SUPPORT. UM, OF THIS
FILM. LINE 1 47. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. MM. CHAIR BILL GAINES,
REPRESENTING TWO PRIVATE
LANDOWNER ORGANIZATIONS,
RESOURCE CONSERVATION DISTRICT
AND THE CALORIE BASIN WETLAND
ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS THE SAN
DIEGO COUNTY WILDLIFE FEDERATION
. CALIFORNIA YOUR ASSOCIATION,
THE COW OR WETLANDS AND
WATERFOWL COUNCIL AND FIVE OTHER
WILDLIFE CONSERVATION
ORGANIZATIONS IN STRONG SUPPORT
OF A B 8 59. AND ONCE AGAIN LISA
AND JOHN LIM, PLEASE PRESS ONE
AND ZERO. IF YOU STILL WISH TO
QUEUE UP, WE'RE GOING TO GO NOW
TO LINE 1 58. HI MY NAME IS
CLIFFORD. LAZARO AND I STRONGLY
SUPPORT THIS BILL. AND THERE WAS
NO ONE ELSE WHO SIGNALED THAT
THEY WISH TO SPEAK QUÊ, BRINGING
IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. MR
MATHIS. GREAT BILL SURPRISED.
I'M NOT ALREADY CO AUTHORS.
HAPPY TO DO THAT. THINK THAT WAS
A REQUEST? UH AND THE OTHER
MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. SEEING AND NONE. UM
IT'S INTERESTING. ONE OF THE
FIRST THINGS I LEARNED IN
PROPERTY CLASS IN LAW SCHOOL WAS
ABOUT THE RIGHTS TO, UM WATERS
AND BEACHES AND THE PUBLIC'S
RIGHT TO THOSE SPACES, AND IT IS
SORT OF A FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE
THAT THOSE ARE PUBLIC SPACES AND
NOT TO BE USED BY THE PRIVATE
AND IT'S SUCH A SACRED THING IN
CALIFORNIA THAT WE CONTINUE TO
GIVE ACCESS TO ALL OF OUR
WATERWAYS AND OUR BEACHES TO
EVERY CALIFORNIA AND, UM AND,
UH, SO I STRUGGLED WITH THIS ONE
BECAUSE PERSONALLY THE IDEA OF
SOMEONE AND I DO. I DON'T WANT A
NAVIGABLE CREEK. BUT THE IDEA
LIKE SOMEONE COMING BY MY HOUSE
AND HUNTING FELT A LITTLE BIT
UNCOMFORTABLE TO ME IS A PRIVATE
PROPERTY OWNER. UM IT'S FUNNY
HOW I HAVE TO SAY THE MOST
PRIVATE PROPERTY FIGHTS WE'VE
HAD IN THIS COMMITTEE HAVE ALL
BEEN BUILT BROUGHT BY
REPUBLICANS. I SHOULD POINT THAT
OUT, BUT, UM BUT, UH, YOU KNOW,
THERE IS, UM THERE IS A PROCESS
THAT THE FISH AND GAME
COMMISSION HAS TO ENSURE THAT
WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE PRIVATE
PROPERTY OWNERS IF SO DESIRED,
MAKING SURE THERE ISN'T HUNTING
IN PLACES THAT ARE UNSAFE. AND
SO, UM. AH UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I
THINK IT'S. IT'S SO THIS WAS
CHALLENGING FOR ME, TO BE HONEST
WITH YOU. BUT AT THE END OF THE
DAY, I DO THINK THAT, UM,
IMPORTANT DOCTRINE THAT YOU
SPOKE ABOUT THAT WAS AGAIN I
THINK THE FIRST THING MY
PROPERTY TEACHER TAUGHT ME AS
ONE THAT IS REALLY CRITICAL TO
CALIFORNIA. SO UM, I WILL BE
SUPPORTING THE BILL, BUT
UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND
THAT FOLKS, UM THEY HAVE
DIFFERENT FEELINGS IN THIS
COMMITTEE WITH THAT. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIRMAN AND ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. WE HAD A
MOTION IN THE SECOND RIGHT AND
THE MOTION IS TO PASS THE
APPROPRIATIONS. MADAM SECRETARY,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 859
BAUER-KAHAN AND I'M MATHIS,
MATHIS COLONIES. BENNETT DOLLY!
DOLLY I DAVIES DAVIES, I
FRIEDMAN HEART HEART. I KALRA.
KALRA I PELLERIN PELLERIN, I
RUBIO RUBIO. I BROUGH
VALLAPUDUA. WARD AND WEBER.
THANK YOU, MR GROWLER HèA. OH
THAT'S 80. SO IT IS OUT, BUT WE
WILL LEAVE THE ROPE AND GRAB
SOME MEMBERS. UM WELL, I SEE
MISS ADDIS HERE. IF YOU DON'T
MIND, MISS ADDIS, YOU'RE HERE.
SO YOU'RE UP. YOU HAVE A B 14?
OH, SEVEN. SOON AS YOU'RE READY.
WELL THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU TO YOUR STAFF AND TO
OUR WITNESSES ARE HERE THAT ARE
HERE. I ALSO WANT TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PELLERIN FOR CO
AUTHORING A B 14. OH, SEVEN. I'M
HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR VOTE ON THE
OCEAN LIFE RECOVERY ACT, WHICH
ACCELERATES CALIFORNIA'S MARINE
HABITAT RESTORATION EFFORTS BY
ESTABLISHING RECOVERY GOALS FOR
CRITICAL OCEAN ECOSYSTEMS. AND A
STATE STRUCTURE TO DEVELOP AND
SUPPORT RESTORATION PROJECTS, SO
KELP, ILL GRASS AND NATIVE
OYSTERS FORM THE FOUNDATION OF
DIVERSE NEAR SHORE ECOSYSTEMS
THAT SUPPORT COMPLEX FOOD WEBS
AND ARE A HOME AND ARE HOME TO A
VARIETY OF INVERTEBRATES, FISH,
MARINE MAMMALS AND BIRDS AND
PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE
BATTLE AGAINST THE CLIMATE
CRISIS THROUGH CARBON
SEQUESTRATION AND PREVENTING
OCEAN ACIDIFICATION AND EROSION.
SO DESPITE THEIR ECONOMIC,
ECOLOGICAL AND CULTURAL
IMPORTANCE, CALIFORNIA'S MARINE
ECOSYSTEMS ARE UNDER THREAT. THE
COLLAPSE OF THE NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA KELP FOREST HAS BEEN
DOCUMENTED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA SANTA CRUZ
RESEARCHERS WHO FOUND THAT THE
FOREST HAD DECLINED. BY 95%
SINCE 2021 EXCUSE ME BY 95% IN A
2021 STUDY SO HUGE LOSS TO OUR
KELP FORESTS, LOSSES OF KEY KEY
HABITATS LIKE HELP FOR US,
EELGRASS MEADOWS AND OYSTER BEDS
HAVE BEEN LARGELY DRIVEN BY
POLLUTION AND CLIMATE CHANGE, SO
UNFORTUNATELY TO ACHIEVE THE
NECESSARY COASTAL RESTORATION
EFFORTS TO REDUCE THREATS TO
HELP KILL GRASS AND OYSTERS. THE
STATE MUST BEGIN EXPLORING NEW
PERMITTING APPROACHES IMPROVING
INTER AGENCY COORDINATION,
CAPACITY BUILDING AND COMMITTING
PUBLIC FUNDING TO ALLOW
RESTORATION TO OCCUR MORE
QUICKLY SIMPLY AND COST
EFFECTIVELY. THERE ARE OTHER
REGIONS OF THE UNITED STATES AND
AROUND THE WORLD THAT, IF
ENACTED, PRACTICES TO MEET THE
PACE AND SCALE OF DECLINE. FOR
CRITICAL BIOGENIC HABITATS SUCH
AS COWBOY EASTER GRASS AND
SEAGRASS PLACES LIKE JAPAN,
KOREA, AUSTRALIA, UH, AND STATES
LIKE FLORIDA, VIRGINIA AND
TEXAS. LARGE SCALE ECOSYSTEM
RESTORATION DEVELOP, DELIVERS
MULTIPLE SOCIETAL BENEFITS,
INCLUDING JOBS, ECONOMIC IMPACT
AND CULTURAL CONNECTIVITY. SO A
B 14 OH, SEVEN WOULD EFFECTIVELY
BEGIN RECOVERING CALIFORNIA'S
COASTAL ECOSYSTEMS BY DOING FOUR
THINGS ESTABLISHING CLEARER
ACREAGE BASED DEFINITION FOR
LARGE SCALE RESTORATION.
DEVELOPING CLEAR RESTORATION
TARGETS, CREATING A WORKING
GROUP TO BETTER FACILITATE
INTERAGENCY COORDINATION AND
FORMING THE OCEAN RESTORATION
AND RECOVERY FUND. AND WITH
THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT
OVER TO MY WITNESSES THAT ARE
HERE TO TESTIFY. JONAH WILSON
FROM THE NATURE CONSERVANCY AND
AMY WILL FROM FROM THE MONTEREY
BAY AQUARIUM. THANK YOU FOR
MINUTES BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU
WHEN YOU'RE READY, GREAT. HELLO
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS THE
WATERS OFF OF CALIFORNIA'S
COASTLINE SUPPORT AN INCREDIBLE
ARRAY OF MARINE LIFE AS WELL AS
OUR PRODUCTIVE $44 BILLION OCEAN
ECONOMY, BUT SOME OF OUR
ECOSYSTEMS ARE UNDER THREAT.
MAYBE 14 OH, SEVEN, AIMS TO TAKE
STEPS TO ADDRESS THE DEVASTATION
THAT CALIFORNIA'S KELP FORESTS
EELGRASS MEADOWS AND NATIVE
OYSTERS ARE PACING ALL HABITATS
THAT HAVE DECLINED OVER 90. THE
AQUARIUM SUPPORTS THIS BILL
BECAUSE IT CLEARLY PRIORITIZES
THESE HABITATS FOR RESTORATION
IN THE STATE. SET SCIENCE
DRIVEN, ACRE BASED RESTORATION
TARGETS TO GUIDE THE COLLECTIVE
ACTIONS OF STATE AGENCIES. AND
ACCELERATES THE LARGE SCALE
RESTORATION NEEDED FOR THESE
FOUNDATIONAL HABITATS. MANY OF
OUR STATE AGENCIES REALIZED
THESE ECOSYSTEMS NEED TO HELP
NEED HELP AND ARE TAKING STEPS
TO ADDRESS CLASSES AND WE
STRONGLY SUPPORT THEM. THIS
LEGISLATION DOES NOT DICTATE
WHICH TYPES OF RESTORATION
SHOULD TAKE PLACE. RATHER IT
SETS TARGETS FASTER. STATEWIDE
COORDINATION, SINKS MYRIAD STATE
EFFORTS AND ESTABLISHES A FUND
TO RECEIVE TO RECEIVE STATE,
FEDERAL AND PRIVATE DOLLARS. FOR
LARGE SCALE RESTORATION EFFORTS
. IT STARTS THE PROCESS NEEDED
TO MOVE BEYOND SMALLER SCALE
PROJECTS. BY FURTHERING MARINE
HABITAT RESTORATION. CALIFORNIA
CAN COMBAT THE IMPACTS OF
CLIMATE CHANGE AND CREATE A
HEALTHIER AND MORE RESILIENT
MARINE ENVIRONMENT NOW AND INTO
THE FUTURE. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP. WE RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DR JOHN O.
WILSON. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF
SCIENCE. THE CALIFORNIA OCEANS
PROGRAM AT THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY. TNCS IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF WHAT WE SEE AS A
NECESSARY AND DATA DRIVEN
APPROACH TO PROTECT MARINE
HABITATS THAT ARE HOME TO THE
STATES, UNIQUE MARINE
BIODIVERSITY AND THAT PROVIDE
ESSENTIAL ECOSYSTEM SERVICES FOR
PEOPLE IN NATURE. WE SEE A B 14
OH, SEVEN AS COMPLEMENTARY AND
NOT DUPLICATIVE OF EXISTING
STATE EFFORTS TO ADVANCE COASTAL
RESILIENCE, HABITAT PROTECTION
AND RESTORATION. SIMILAR TO
OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES AGENCY
PLANS IN THE WILDFIRE AND
CLIMATE MITIGATION SPACE. THIS
BILL STARTS BY SETTING NUMERIC
TARGETS TO INFORM THESE HABITAT
RESTORATION GOALS. WE ANALYZED
THE STATE'S BEST AVAILABLE
SPATIAL DATA FOR THE SUBTITLE
HABITATS. AND WHERE THE DATA
FELL SHORT. WE LEVERAGED
INSIGHTS FROM LEADING EXPERTS TO
DELINEATE THOSE AREAS MOST
SUITABLE FOR RESTORATION ACROSS
THE STATE. OUR APPROACH STARTED
BY LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL
EXTENT OF THESE HABITATS AND HOW
THEY HAVE PERSISTED OVER TIME.
WE FOCUS ON AREAS WHERE KELP EEL
GRASS AND NATIVE OYSTERS HAVE
CONSISTENTLY GROWN. AND WHERE
THEY ARE NO LONGER PRESENT
BECAUSE OF HUMAN OR CLIMATE
DRIVEN THREATS. BY INCORPORATING
THIS CONCEPT OF PERSISTENCE. WE
BELIEVE THAT THE TARGETS ARE
CONSERVATIVE AND FOCUS ON
POINTING RESTORATION EFFORTS
TOWARDS THOSE PLACES WHERE THE
SPECIES ARE MOST LIKELY TO
THRIVE. MAYBE 14 OH, SEVEN SETS
A CLEAR ACREAGE BASED VISION
THAT ALL OCEAN ENTITIES PUBLIC
AND PRIVATE CAN ALIGN AROUND AND
WITH FULL ALIGNMENT ON THE
SPATIAL EXTENT OF RESTORATION
REQUIRED, WE CAN THEN BEGIN TO
BUILD UP THE CAPACITY AS WELL AS
THE FUNDING NEEDED TO DO THE
WATER WORK AND TO UNSTICK THE
PROCESSES THAT HAVE SLOWED
PERMITTING OF SUCH EFFORTS IN
THE PAST. WHILE THE WORK AHEAD
OF US MAY FEEL DAUNTING. THIS IS
A MOMENT IN WHICH ALL OCEAN
USERS MUST COME TOGETHER AND
ADDRESS THE MAGNITUDE OF THE
THREATS FACING OUR OCEANS. OUR
OCEANS ARE COUNTING ON US TO
LEND NATURE AT HAND. WE THINK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ADDIS FOR HER
LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE, AND WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I VOTE
ON A B 14. OH, SEVEN. THANK YOU
. DO WE HAVE ANY PRIMARY
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL OR ANY
OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE OF
ANYONE IN THE ROOM WOULD LIKE TO
JOIN US THE MIC TO ADD THEIR
SUPPORT NAME, ORGANIZATION AND
POSITION INVITED TO DO SO.
MICHAEL JARED ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE FOR
BIODIVERSITY AND SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO
FURTHER. INDIVIDUALS IN THE ROOM
MODERATOR WILL GO TO THE PHONES
FOR SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION,
PLEASE. MODERATOR. ME UH, PARDON
ME, MADAM CHAIR FOR THOSE WHO
WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION, PLEASE PRESS ONE,
THEN ZERO. AND WE HAVE ONE
PERSON WHO SIGNALED THAT THEY
WISH TO SPEAK JUST A MOMENT.
LINE 1 61. YOUR LINE IS NOW
OPEN. THIS IS JANET MCGARY ON
BEHALF OF 3 50 BAY AREA ACTION
IN SUPPORT. AND THERE WAS NO ONE
ELSE. THANK YOU. BRING YOU BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE, MR MATHIS.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ERRATIC
SIDE ACTUALLY APPRECIATE WHAT
YOU'RE DOING WITH THIS BILL AND
WORKING ON SIMILAR TYPE THING
FOR WETLANDS AND HABITAT. SO I'D
LOVE TO COME ON AS A CO AUTHOR
WITH YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR
EFFORTS HERE. THANK YOU. WELCOME
HERE. THANK YOU ANYBODY ELSE?
SEEING NONE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE BESIDE US? JUST THAT. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, UM. MOTION
BY MISS DAVIS'S SECOND BY MS
PELLERIN. THE MOTION IS DO PASS
THE APPROPRIATIONS. MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MAYBE 14 OH, SEVEN BARRICADE HAM
AND I, MATHIS MATHIS. I COLONIES
BENNETT. DOLLY DOLLY! I DAVIES
DAVIES, I FRIEDMAN HEART. HEART
I CHOLERA, CHOLERA I PELLERIN
RUBIO RUBIO. I SHIAVO PHILIP
VALLAPUDUA WARD AND WEBER. THAT
BILL HAS A VOTES. IT'S OUT, BUT
WE WILL LEAVE THEM ALL OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK YOU. MISS
ADDIS! MISS RIVAS, YOU ARE UP. I
WANT TO GIVE A HUGE SHOUT OUT OF
GRATITUDE. OUR AUTHORS WHO ARE
HERE AND READY TO GO. AND MS
RIVAS HAS A B 8 33 WHICH WILL
HEAR WHEN SHE IS READY. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS FIRST. I'D LIKE TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE. UM FOR WORKING ON
THIS BILL WITH US. SECONDLY, I
WOULD BE ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS. UM, SINCE I HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND, UM ALL
HANDED THIS OVER TO, UH ISABELLA
GONZALEZ, ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF
STATE EXTERNAL AFFAIRS WITH THE
NATURE CONSERVANCY HERE TO
TESTIFY AS A WITNESS AND SUPPORT
YEAH. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
ELEGANT SALAS POWDER WITH ANY
CHICKEN CERVANTES THE
RECOGNIZING ALL THE SUPPORT AND
APPRECIATIVE OF THAT WE WILL BE
BRIEF. I JUST DO QUICKLY WANT TO
SAY THAT TNCS COMMITTED TO
ENHANCING HABITAT IN AND ALONG
THE LOS ANGELES RIVER TO PROMOTE
A HEALTHY ECOSYSTEM. WE REALLY
DO THINK THAT A COMPREHENSIVE
AND HOLISTIC APPROACH IS
CRITICAL TO ADAPT TO CLIMATE
CHANGE AND BUILD RESILIENT
COMMUNITIES ALONG THIS
MEDITERRANEAN CLIMATE REGION.
THIS TYPE OF REGION IS REALLY
SPECIAL. UM MEDITERRANEAN
CLIMATE REGIONS ONLY COVER 2.2%
OF THE EARTH'S LAND SURFACE, AND
THEY CONTAIN 20% OF ALL KNOWN
PLANT SPECIES, AND THEY'RE ONLY
FOUND IN FIVE PLACES IN THE
WHOLE WORLD, INCLUDING
CALIFORNIA. UM SO REALLY JUST
WANT TO FOCUS ON AND AS
REFERENCED IN THE GREAT ANALYSIS
THAT TNCS HAS A DEMONSTRATION
PROJECT AT THE STATE PARKS,
BOWTIE PARCEL FOR STORM WATER,
CAPTURE, HABITAT ENHANCEMENT AND
COMMUNITY ACCESS. STATE PARKS
CAN SUPPORT AND BE STEWARDS FOR
MORE OF THESE TYPE OF MULTI
BENEFIT PROJECTS THROUGH THE
PASSAGE OF A B 833 THAT REALLY
SUPPORTS THAT ONGOING
COORDINATION AND COLLABORATION
AMONGST THE STATE AND LOCALS TO
EXPAND THE REAL DEAL
EVANGELISTIC PART SO WE
APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND
REQUEST MY VOTE. THANK YOU. UM,
DO YOU HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO
THIS BILL? SEEING NONE. IF
ANYONE IN THE ROOM WOULD LIKE TO
ADD SUPPORT, PLEASE JOIN US IN
THE MICROPHONE. JUST LEARNED FOR
HEAL THE BAY IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. SEEING NO FURTHER
INDIVIDUALS IN THE ROOM. LET'S
GO TO THE PHONE LINE SUPPORTING
OPPOSITION. MODERATOR, PLEASE.
PLEASE PRESS ONE, THEN ZERO IF
YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO ONE.
THANK YOU BRING IT BACK TO
COMMITTEE. SEEING NONE. I WILL
JUST SAY THAT WE DID HEARING
ABOUT A YEAR AGO ON 30 BY 30 AND
THE EFFORTS TO CREATE MORE
PARKLAND AND PRESERVED LAND IN
THE STATE AND OUR FORMER
COLLEAGUE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
CRISTINA GARCIA, UM, SPOKE
REALLY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF THE L A RIVER AND
BRINGING PARKLAND INTO URBAN
ENVIRONMENTS AND ESPECIALLY THE
COMMUNITIES IN LOS ANGELES THAT
DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO PARKLAND
RIGHT NOW, IN THE KIND OF
RESOURCES THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO
BRING TO L A. SO I WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THAT
THIS WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE.
THANK YOU. AND I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN I VOTE. WE DO HAVE
EMOTION IN A SECOND. I BELIEVE
THE MOTION IS DUE PASSES AMENDED
TO APPROPRIATIONS. MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
833 BARRICADE HAN MATHIS MATHIS
I BALINESE BENNETT. DOLLY DOLLY!
I DAVIES DAVIES, I FRIEDMAN
HEART. HEART I CHOLERA, CHOLERA
. I PELLERIN I RUBIO RUBIO, I
SHIAVO, VALLAPUDUA WARD AND
WEBER. THE BILL HAS EIGHT VOTES
. IT IS OUT WE WILL LEAVE THE
WORLD PREFER MEMBERS. THANK YOU,
MR. THANK YOU. MISSAGLIA OUR
CURRY IS UP NEXT WITH A B 8 96.
WE ARE ONE OF YOURS DOWN ON
CONSENT. WE'RE READY FOR YOUR
SECOND. BILL MOTION BY MR MATHIS
SECOND BY MS PELLERIN. WHEN
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, UM, CHAIRMAN BARRY KANE
AND MEMBERS. UM I WILL HAVE A
COUPLE OF PEOPLE ONLINE AND THEY
WERE HERE ALL DAY. BUT THEY HAVE
A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SO
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET ON.
I BELIEVE I WOULD LIKE TO THANK
THE COMMUNITY STAFF FOR THEIR
WORK ON THIS BILL. THIS BILL IS
AN IMPORTANT STEP TOWARDS
SECURING FLOOD CONTROL FOR THE
CITY OF WOODLAND, WHICH IS IN MY
DISTRICT AND A SHORT DRIVE FROM
HERE. LOWER CACHE CREEK POSES A
SIGNIFICANT FLOOD RISK PORTIONS
OF THE CITY OF WOODLAND THERE
HAVE BEEN 20 FLOOD EVENTS SINCE
THE MID 19 HUNDREDS, AND THIS IS
LIKELY TO GET WORSE AS
CALIFORNIA'S CLIMATE CHANGES.
WELL DOWNTOWN WOODLAND HAS NOT
HISTORICALLY FLOODED. THIS
THANKS TO FLOOD FIGHTING EFFORTS
AND REALLY GOOD LUCK. THIS BILL
IS MODELED ON TWO BILLS BY
SENATOR LAIRD TO HELP BRING A
FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT TO POIROT.
DESPITE THE HARD WORK OF SO MANY
PEOPLE, THE RECENT FLOODING
SHOWS THAT WE MUST MOVE QUICKLY
TO IMPROVE FLOOD CONTROL WHEN WE
KNOW COMMUNITIES ARE AT RISK.
THE CITY OF WOODLAND HAS BEEN
TRYING TO IMPROVE FLOOD
PROTECTION OF FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
THIS VERY COMMUNITY COMMITTEE
HELD AN INFORMATIONAL HEARING IN
WOODLAND IN 2005 TO DISCUSS WAYS
TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. THIS
BILL WITH THIS BILL WILL
AUTHORIZE A FLOOD CONTROL
PROJECTS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN
APPROVED BY THE US ARMY CORPS OF
ENGINEERS AND THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. THEY WILL ALSO
INCREASE THE STATE COST SHARE TO
REFLECT THE COMMUNITIES
ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED
STATUS. THIS BILL IS AN
IMPORTANT STEP TOWARDS FINALLY
BUILDING MUCH NEEDED FLOOD
PROTECTION TO PROTECT THE
COMMUNITY AND THE CRITICAL
INFRASTRUCTURE FROM FLOODING.
TODAY WITH ME, I BELIEVE IS
VICTORIOUS. FERNANDEZ MAYOR FROM
THE CITY OF WOODLAND GONNA SPEAK
TO SILVINA FROST ETO FROM THE
COMMUNITY ALLIANCE FOR
EDUCATION. AND IF THEY'RE NOT
AVAILABLE, THEN JACK PORTER.
GREAT DO WE HAVE EITHER OF THE
WITNESSES ON THE PHONE MODERATOR
? OH, COME ON. MODERATOR DO WE
HAVE WHAT YOU SAY THEIR NAMES
AGAINST MS AGUIAR-CURRY. CECILIA
VICTORIA FERNANDEZ, WHO'S THE
MAIN ART HELLO. UH MADAM CHAIR.
I APOLOGIZE. WHAT WAS THAT? I
DIDN'T HEAR YOU NEED VICTORIA
FERNANDEZ AND FROST. OTTO PRESTO
, SILVINA FRAUSTO WITNESSES
ONLINE IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
OKAY IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN HEAR
RIGHT NOW. AND YOUR NAME WAS
MENTIONED. PLEASE PRESS ONE AND
ZERO AT THIS TIME. IF NOT JUST
ANOTHER MOMENT, MADAM CHAIR. I'M
GOING TO SEE IF I CAN FIND
ANYBODY HERE. OKAY UM, AND
PARDON ME. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP
THIS ONE LINE HERE RIGHT NOW.
JUST A MOMENT. UH AND AGAIN, I
APOLOGIZE JUST A MOMENT WHERE
PROCESSING THEM IN. SORRY FOR
THE MISUNDERSTANDING.
OKAY UH, LINE 1 64. OAN LINE 1
64, PLEASE GO AHEAD. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I AM
VICTORIOUS FERNANDEZ, THE MAYOR
OF THE CITY OF WOODLAND. I'M
ALSO A LIFELONG WOODLAND
RESIDENT WHO CARES PASSIONATELY
ABOUT THE FUTURE OF MY COMMUNITY
. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S AGUIAR-CURRY
FOR CARRYING THIS BILL ON BEHALF
OF OUR MUTUAL CONSTITUENTS. I'M
HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT
YOU APPROVE YOUR ASSEMBLY BILL
BEFORE YOU TODAY MY CITY IS A
SIGNIFICANT RISK OF MAJOR
FLOODING BECAUSE IT HAS THE
LOWEST LEVEL OF FLOOD PROTECTION
IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY WITH LESS
THAN ONE IN EVERY 10 YEAR LEVEL
OF PROTECTION. UNFORTUNATELY MY
CITY IS ALSO ONE OF THE MOST
ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGE. WE
HAVE WORKED LONG AND HARD TO
EVALUATE ALTERNATIVE FLOOD
PROTECTION DESIGNS. WE HAVE BEEN
IN DISCUSSION WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES
THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. THE
PROJECT BEFORE YOU IS THE ONLY
ONE THAT OUR FEDERAL PARTNER,
THE U. S. ARMY CORPS OF
ENGINEERS WILL SUPPORT THE
PROPOSED PROJECT PROTECTS KEY
INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING OUR
WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY
AND THE JOINT DAVIS WOODLAND
WATER TREATMENT FACILITY.
LIKEWISE OUR INDUSTRIAL BASE THE
HEART OF OUR ECONOMY, AND IT'S
10,000 JOBS WOULD ALSO BENEFIT
FROM THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS
PROJECT. AT THE REQUEST OF THE
SUPPORTERS OF MEASURE S. WE HAVE
INCLUDED LITIGATION HOLD
HOMICIDE LANGUAGE, WOODLAND. MY
CITY CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT ANY
LONGER FOR STATE AUTHORIZATION
OF THE PROJECT. WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING AT THIS FOR TWO DECADES
. I RESPECTFULLY RESPECTFULLY
IMPLORE THAT YOU HELP PROTECT MY
COMMUNITY AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO
VOTE AYE. ON A B 896. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS FOR YOUR TIME AND
SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS OF
CALIFORNIA. THANK YOU. COUNCIL
MEMBER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO THANK
YOU? I'VE LEARNED LONG AGO,
MADAM CHAIR NEVER TO FOLLOW UP
THE MAYOR, I DEFER TO THE MAYOR.
SHE'S SPOKEN ELOQUENTLY. THE
MAYOR WAS WONDERFUL. I COULDN'T
AGREE MORE. DO WE HAVE ANYONE
HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL
, SEEING NONE. ANYONE WANT TO
JOIN ON IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL?
HOPE SOMEBODY. GRAPHENE MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS, SPENCER LANE WITH
THE WOODLAND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
AND SUPPORTED THIS BILL. THANK
YOU, MR MODERATOR. DO YOU HAVE
ANYONE ON THE PHONE LINES AND
SUPPORT HER OPPOSITION OF THIS
BILL? MAYBE 8 96. FOR THIS BILL,
PLEASE PRESS 10 AT THIS TIME.
THERE IS NO ONE WHO SIGNALED
THAT THEY WISH TO SPEAK GREAT
BRINGING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. SEEING NO COMMENTARY
OR QUESTIONS, MISS. BUT DO WE
HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION
IN A SECOND? UM SO I WILL SAY
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO WANT
TO UM, PUT OUT THERE THAT I
THINK THE MAYOR TOUCHED ON IS
THAT WE ARE SEEING, ESPECIALLY
IN RECENTLY IN THESE FLOODING
INCIDENTS ACROSS THE STATE THAT
WE HAVE REAL INFRASTRUCTURE
EQUITY PROBLEMS IN CALIFORNIA
THAT DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES
ARE NOT GETTING THE
INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS THEY NEED
TO BUILD IN THE WAY THAT, UM
MORE PRIVILEGED COMMUNITIES ARE
AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
LEADERSHIP IN THIS SPACE. I
THINK WE AS A COMMITTEE NEED TO
BE REALLY KEEN TO AS WE MOVE
FORWARD WITH THAT. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE MR WHERE I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE. WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND IT IS
DO PASTOR APPROPRIATIONS MADAM
SECRETARY 8 96 BARRICADE HAN? HI
CAN I? MATHIS METHODS I COLONIES
BENNETT. BENNETT I DALI DALI. I
DAVIES DAVIES. I FRIEDMAN HEART
. HEART I CHOLERA. KALRA I
PELLERIN I RUBIO VÚI SHIAVO,
VALLAPUDUA WARD AND WEBER. BILL
HAS NINE VOTES. IT IS OUT, BUT
WE WILL LEAVE THEIR OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. CHAIRMAN AND COMMITTEE. MR
MATHIS. ARE YOU READY? HMM WE
WILL HEAR MR MATHIS IS A B 62.
Tð. WHEN YOU'RE READY, MR
MATHIS. WAIT A MINUTE. HAVE TO
UPDATE MY TALKING POINTS FROM
GOOD MORNING TO GOOD AFTERNOON.
AH! RIGHT EVENING. WE'RE BEYOND
AFTERNOON ANYWAY. LONG DAY
MEMBERS. AH! WE'RE HERE TO
DISCUSS A B 62. IT'S A STATEWIDE
STORAGE EXPANSION GOAL. WE ARE
TAKING THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF
WERE WORKING ON THOSE WITH MY
TEAM. BUT A B 62 WOULD ESTABLISH
YES, CODIFYING THE STAY WIDE
GOAL TO INCREASE ABOVE AND BELOW
GROUND WATER STORAGE CAPACITY TO
A TOTAL OF 3.7 MILLION ACRE FEET
BY THE YEAR 2030 AND A TOTAL OF
FOUR MILLION ACRE FEET. BY 2040.
THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED UPON THE
2022 REPORT. CALIFORNIA'S WATER
SUPPLY STRATEGY, ADOPTING A
HOTTER, DRIER FUTURE RELEASED BY
OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AGENCY AND
ARE PART OF OUR GOVERNORS GOALS.
ACCESS TO CLEAN WATER SHOULD NOT
BE A POLITICAL ISSUE AS WE
DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT HERE. AND
IT IS A HUMAN RIGHT WITH ME.
TODAY IS STEVE BAKER. WITH THE
UPPER SAN GABRIEL VALLEY
MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. WHEN
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS, STEVE BAKER WITH
AARON READING ASSOCIATES FOR THE
UPPER SENT GABRIEL VALUE
MUNICIPAL WATER AGENCY. WE AGREE
WITH ASSEMBLYMAN MATHIS THAT
ADDITIONAL STORAGE IS NECESSARY
. WE'VE GOT A GROWING STRAIGHT
STATE AND GROWING POPULATION
DISTRICT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFULLY
USING BELOW GROUND STORAGE FOR
YEARS AND THINK THAT ADDITIONAL
STORAGE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. WE
SUPPORT THE MEASURE. THANK YOU.
ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO
THIS MEASURE? YOU WANT TO POSE
STORAGE? NO. OH, YES, WE HAVE
OPPOSITION. JOIN US. HI I'M ERIN
WILLEY ON BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB,
CALIFORNIA AND OPPOSITION. ANY
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IN THE ROOM.
GOOD EVENING, JULIA HALL WITH
THE ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA
WATER AGENCIES AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. NOBODY HAD. IN ADDITION IN
THE ROOM, LET'S GO TO THE PHONE
SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION
MODERATOR. PLEASE PRESS ONE AND
ZERO IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK AND
SUPPORT HER OPPOSITION. AND WE
HAVE ONE PERSON WHO SIGNALED
THAT THEY WISH TO SPEAK. JUST A
MOMENT, PLEASE.
AND WE WILL NOW GO TO LINE 1 63
LINE OF SNOW OPEN GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR AND MEMBERS ERIC O'DONNELL
ON BEHALF OF THE YOUR BELINDA
WATER DISTRICT IN A SUPPORT IF
AMENDED POSITION TO BIFURCATE
THE WATER STORAGE GOALS IN THE
BILL INTO SEPARATE SPECIFIC
GOALS FOR GROUNDWATER STORAGE
AND ABOVE GROUND STORAGE. THANK
YOU. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE. THANK
YOU BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE.
SEE WE HAVE MOTION. MR ALI,
SECOND FROM MISS DAVIES. UM.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
ABSOLUTELY MEMBERS. THESE GOALS
ARE MORE THAN NEEDED. WE'VE
DEBATED THEM FOR GOSH, THE
DECADE I'VE BEEN HERE IN OFFICE.
UM IT'S GREAT TO SEE OUR
GOVERNOR ACTUALLY SAY, HEY,
LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH WATER
STORAGE AND ABOVE AND IN GROUND
. I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE OUT
THERE THAT WOULD LIKE US TO BUY
FOR KATE AND DESCRIBES SPECIFIC
PROJECTS. BUT I THINK THE GOALS
THE FACT THAT WE NEED MORE WATER
STORAGE. AND WE NEED IT NOW, AND
WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET
HER DONE. SO WITH THAT I ASK YOU
FOR AN IPHONE. THANK THANK YOU,
AND I WILL REITERATE WHAT YOU
SAID, WHICH IS. I APPRECIATE
THAT THE BILL FOCUSES ON BOTH
ABOVE GROUND UNDER AND
UNDERGROUND. WE NEED BOTH. SO WE
NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND CREATE
THE STORAGE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
YEARS LIKE THIS THAT HAVE
EMOTION IN A SECOND AND THE
MOTION IS DUE PASSES A MENU TO
APPROPRIATIONS. MADAM SECRETARY
UM A B 62 BAUER-KAHAN FARRAKHAN
. I'M ETHICISTS. I COLONIES I
BENNETT. DOLLY DOLLY! I DAVIES
DAVIES EYES FRIEDMAN HEART.
HEART. I, KARA. TÔI PELLERIN. I
RUBIO RUBIO, I SHIAVO PHILIP
BOUDOIR WARD AND WEBER. WE HAVE
NINE VOTES THAT IS OUT LIABLE.
WE LEAVE THEM ALL OPEN. PERHAPS
SOME MEMBERS, WE WILL TAKE UP MR
BENNETT'S BILLS RIGHT NOW. I
BELIEVE THERE, TOO.
THEN WE'LL START WITH A BEFORE
11 TOP TOP OF THE LIST. OH, HEY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING
HERE. PLEASURE. GOODBYE, MISS
DAVIES, SECOND BY MS PELLERIN A
THIRD BY MR MATHIS. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, UM MADAM, SHE
REMEMBERS, UM DURING THE
PANDEMIC PARKING, NATURAL
SURFACE TRAIL YOU SAW MARKED
INCREASES IN VISITATION, LOTS OF
POPULARITY AND THOSE, UM, I
THINK WE STARTED DIGGING AROUND
AND WITH THE HELP OF DOUG
HOUSTON, REPRESENTING CALIFORNIA
PARK AND RECREATION SOCIETY, UM
, THE STATE PARK TRAIL SYSTEM.
UM SIMPLY IS IN NEED OF GREATER
INVESTMENT, UM AND, ACCORDING TO
STATE PARKS, CALIFORNIA ONLY
INVEST 1.7 MILLION ANNUALLY
STATEWIDE FOR NATURAL SURFACE
TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S
NONMOTORIZED IMPROVEMENTS
THROUGH THE FEDERALLY FUNDED
RECREATION TRAILS PROGRAM. IT'S
JUST INSUFFICIENT FOR A STATUS
LARGEST CALIFORNIA. WITH AS MANY
PARKS THAT IT HAS. AND SO, UM,
THIS BILL SEEKS TO ADDRESS THIS
HISTORIC FUNDING DEFICIENCY. UM
AND TRY TO ENSURE SOME STABLE
FUNDING BY MAKING THIS SORT OF A
REQUIREMENT IN THE STATE PARKS
SYSTEM AND I HAVE A WITNESS HERE
. DOUG HOUSTON, WHO, UM, IT'S
PROBABLY THE STATE'S LEADING
EXPERT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE,
SO MR WILL BE REAL BRIEF. DOUG
HOUSTON, REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA PARK AND REC SOCIETY
AND A HOST OF OTHER STAKEHOLDERS
AND THE TRAILS, ADVOCACY, WORLD
AND REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF
LEGISLATION AND URGING YOUR
SUPPORT. THANKS. THANK YOU, MR
HOUSTON. OKAY THERE CAMPAIGNING
OPPOSITION TO THIS. ANY
OPPOSITION SEEING NONE YET.
DON'T COME OUT SO QUICKLY. UM WE
HAVE ANYONE IN THE ROOM WHO'D
LIKE TO ADD SUPPORT TO THE BILL?
GOOD EVENING, JONATHAN CLAIRE ON
BEHALF OF THE PACIFIC CREST
TRAIL ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT
THANK YOU. AS YOU KNOW
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IN THE ROOM.
LET'S GO TO THE PHONES FOR
SUPPORTING OPPOSITION. PRESS ONE
AND ZERO AT THIS TIME. THERE IS
NO ONE GREAT BEING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE. YES, MR MATHIS.
LIKE TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD DOWN
DURING MY YEARS OF BOY SCOUTING.
DON'T YOU SEE THE TRAILS? QUITE
A BIT AND MANY PROJECTS GOING
OUT OF OUR WAY TOO. GET YOURS
FIXED. I'D BE HAPPY TO COME ON
AS A CO AUTHOR WITH YOU AND THIS
ENDEAVOR TO MAKE SURE OUR TRAILS
ARE TAKEN CARE OF. MS PELLERIN.
YEAH, GREAT BILL, AND I'D LIKE
TO BE ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR AS
WELL. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?
THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN ON MY BILL
THIS MORNING. UM Ó. BUT UM SO
I'M SORRY. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
GOT A BIG JOKES, BUT, UM, THE. I
WOULD JUST SAY THAT. I THINK
THIS IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT
BILL. MY FAMILY AND I USED THESE
TRAILS ALL THE TIME, AND THEY
REALLY ARE PART OF WHAT I
CONSIDER OUR MENTAL HEALTH PLAN
IN MY FAMILY, SO I THINK THIS IS
REALLY CRITICAL WORK. I WILL SAY
THAT ARE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION
FUNDS ARE ALWAYS OVER SUBSCRIBED
, AND MANY OF US KNOW THAT
BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITIES ARE
ALWAYS SEEKING MORE OF THAT
FUNDING, SO I THINK THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT ADDITION. BUT I THINK
WE NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR THOSE
FUNDS AND ENSURE WE'RE FUNDING
IT ADEQUATELY. WITH THAT. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE, MR BENNETT?
RESPECTFULLY ASTRONAUT VOTE.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION A
SECOND AND A THIRD IN THE MOTION
IS DUE PAST TWO APPROPRIATIONS.
MADAM SECRETARY. MAYBE 4 11
BAUER-KAHAN BETTER CAN I MATHIS
METHODS, COLONIES DECI BENNETT.
BY DOLLY DOLLY I. DAVIES DAVIES
I FRIEDMAN HEART HEART I CHOLERA
, CHOLERA I PELLERIN RUBIO RUBIO
I SHIAVO, PHILIP FOOD WA WARD
AND WEBER.
THAT BILL IS OUT 10 TO 0. MR
BENNETT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE
ON TO A V 900 THANK YOU VERY
MUCH CHAIR, UM LIKE TO THANK THE
CHAIR AND THE AND THE MEMBERS
WOULD LIKE TO START BY, UM
POINTING OUT THAT AS A COMMITTEE
IS WELL AWARE STATES
EXPERIENCING THIS CLASSIC FEAST
AND FAMINE. CALIFORNIA
EXPERIENCES FEAST AND FAMINE AND
EVERYTHING THAT'S UH WE EITHER
HAVE $100 BILLION SURPLUS OR $35
BILLION DEFICIT. WE EITHER HAVE
A 1200 YEAR DROUGHT OR WE HAVE A
1200 YEAR FLOOD RIGHT ON TOP OF
EACH OTHER, AND IT JUST GOES ON
AND ON. SO IF THE FLUCTUATIONS
REQUIRE US TO PUT MORE ENERGY
INTO RECHARGE UM AND A B 900
DIRECTS THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER
RESOURCES TO COME UP WITH A SET
OF BEST PRACTICES FOR AQUIFER,
RECHARGE PROJECTS AND CREATES A
STREAMLINED GRANT APPROVAL
PROCESS FOR SUCH PROJECTS GOVERN
NUISANCE ALSO RECOGNIZED THE GAP
FACING OUR STATE AND ADDRESS
THIS IN HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER IN
DAYS, FOUR DAYS 23, WHICH
REMOVES APPLICATION AND
PERMITTING BARRIERS FOR FLOOD
MANAGED GROUNDWATER RECHARGE.
THE AUTHORS AMENDMENTS TO A B
900 ADDRESSED THIS NEWEST EO BY
ASKING THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S
REPORT BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE
ON ITS IMPLEMENTATION AMENDMENTS
WILL ALSO ADD AQUIFERS TO THE
DEFINITION OF NATURAL
INFRASTRUCTURE BY MAKING THIS
ONE SMALL ADDITION TO THE
DEFINITION IT WILL ALLOW FOR
INCREASED GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
FOR A WIDER VARIETY OF RECHARGE
PROJECTS AGAIN. I WANT TO THANK
THE CHAIR AND COMMITTEE STAFF
FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THESE
AMENDMENTS, AND I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. DO
YOU HAVE ANY WITNESSES? NO
WITNESS. NO WITNESSES. GREAT. DO
YOU HAVE ANYONE HERE IN SUPPORT
IN OPPOSITION? IT'S OKAY. I
WON'T CLAIM YOUR OPPOSITION.
SEEING THAT SUPPORT IN BETWEEN
HER AND WEINER TWEETERS MICHAEL
GERRARD, THE COMMUNITY ALLIANCE
WITH FAMILY FARMERS. OVERALL WE
REALLY LIKE THE BILL, AND WE
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE
WORK ON GROUNDWATER RECHARGE.
UM, HOWEVER, WE WOULD LIKE TO
SEE AN AMENDMENT TO CONSULT OR
INCLUDE THE STATE WATER BOARD
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE RELEVANT
PERMANENT AGENCY. SO WE LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
COMMITTEE AND THE AUTHOR ON THAT
SUGGEST AMENDMENT. AND HOPEFULLY
MOVING INTO SUPPORT SOON. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU KNOW ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS IN THE ROOM. WE WILL GO
TO THE PHONE LINES AND SUPPORTER
OPPOSITION ON THE PHONES. PLEASE
PRESS ONE OR ZERO TO SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL. MADAM
CHAIR. THERE IS NO ONE GREAT.
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE,
MR MATHIS. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR. MR MANDELA REALLY LIKE
THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING
WITH THIS? UM THE ONE THING I
WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS THAT AS WE
DISCUSS. GROUNDWATER RECHARGE
AND RECHARGING. THERE ARE
AQUIFERS. THE ONE THING THAT WE
HAVE FAILED TO DO IN THIS STATE
IS LABEL IT AS A VITAL USE. AND
WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE HELPS GET
US THAT DIRECTION AND HELPS
ADDRESS IT HELPS GET FUNDING
THERE. BUT WE NEED TO MAKE IT A
VITAL USE. AND AS YOU MOVE
FORWARD, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT
AND EVEN PARTNER WITH YOU ON
THAT AS IT MOVES FORWARD, THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ADDITIONAL ROUNDS
OF QUESTIONS, SAYING NONE. MR
BENNETT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I
VOTE, RIGHT? WE NEED A MOTION
MOTION MOTION FOR MR ALLEN EASE.
2ND 2ND FOR MR HART MOTIONS YOU
PASS THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS.
MADAM SECRETARY 8900 BARRICADE
HIÆN. OH HI, BAUER-KAHAN I
MATHIS MATHIS COLONIES ON THE
KNEES. BENNETT HIGH DOLLY DOLLY
! I DAVIES DAVIES, I FRIEDMAN
HEART. HEART I CHOLERA, CHOLERA
I PELLERIN. RUBIO RUBIO, I
SHIAVO. PHILIP VALLAPUDUA. WARD
AND WEBER. BILL HAS NINE VOTES.
IT'S OUT, BUT WE WILL LEAVE THE
ROYAL OPEN CRABS AND MEMBERS.
MR. CORA IF YOU'RE READY, WE
WILL HEAR. MAYBE 15 81. MOVE THE
BILL. MR MATTHEWS, SECOND BY MS
DAVIES.
MAYBE 15 81 STREAMLINES THE
HABITAT RESTORATION PROCESS BY
ALLOWING ACTIVITIES PERMITTED
UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND
WILDLIFE RESTORATION MANAGEMENT
PERMIT TO PROCEED WITHOUT
ACQUIRING A LAKER STREET STREAM
BED. ALTERATION AGREEMENT.
ESTIMATES SHOW THAT CALIFORNIA'S
ALREADY LOST THAT 90% OF ITS
WETLANDS AND HAS HAD NEARLY 300
OF ITS NATIVE SPECIES PLACED ON
THE THREATENED AND ENDANGERED
LISTS. TO REVERSE THESE TRENDS.
WE MUST NOT ONLY PRESERVE OUR
REMAINING NATURAL HABITATS BUT
RESTORE DEGRADED ONES, TOO
HEALTHY, FUNCTIONAL STATE.
UNFORTUNATELY MANY HABITAT
RESTORATION PROJECTS ARE DELAYED
BY A SLOW REGULATORY PROCESS
THAT MAKES US DUPLICATIVE AND
CONFLICTING REQUIREMENTS FROM
SEVERAL STATE AND FEDERAL
AGENCIES. FOR EXAMPLE, A PROJECT
DESTROYS THE LAKE RIVER ESTEEM
STREAM BED MUST STILL RECEIVE A
LAKE AND STREAM BED ALTERATION
AGREEMENT EVEN IF IT HAS ALREADY
RECEIVED A RESTORATION
MANAGEMENT PERMIT. THE
RESTORATION MANAGEMENT PERMIT
AND LAKE AND STREAM BED
ALTERATION AGREEMENT OFTENTIMES
COVER THE SAME FISH AND WILDLIFE
RESOURCES, THE END OF
DUPLICATIVE AND CONFLICTING
PROCESSES, DELAYED RESTORATION
PROJECTS AND WASTED AGENCY TIME
AND RESOURCES. 15 81 WOULD ALLOW
RESTORATION ACTIVITIES PERMITTED
UNDER RESTORATION MANAGEMENT
PERMIT. TO PROCEED WITHOUT
ACQUIRING A LAKE OR STREAM BED
ALTERATION AGREEMENT IF THE
PROJECT APPLICANT SUBMITS
DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL WILDLIFE
REQUIRED NOTIFICATIONS FEES AND
PROPOSED ENVIRONMENTAL
PROTECTION MEASURES AUTHORIZED
BY OTHER AGENCIES. HABITAT
RESTORATION PERMITS. THIS BILL
WILL HELP THE DEPARTMENT FURTHER
STREAMLINE ITS HABITAT.
DESTINATION PERMITTING PROCESS
WHILE ALLOWING THEM TO MAINTAIN
NECESSARY OVERSIGHT OVER
PROPOSED PROJECTS. FURTHERMORE
THE DEPARTMENT WILL ATTAIN THE
RIGHT TO REJECT ANY APPLICATION
THAT DEEMS AND INELIGIBLE. MAYBE
15 81 IS A REASONABLE AND
IMPORTANT STEP TOWARD CUTTING
THE GREEN TAPE AND ACHIEVING THE
STATE'S 30 BY 30 GOALS, BUT THE
PROVIDE SPORTING TESTIMONY MARK
VENTURE MAKER REPRESENTING
SUSTAINABLE CONSERVATION, AND
REGGIE COLLINS, LEGAL AND POLICY
DIRECTOR OF CALIFORNIA TROUT,
GREAT WHEN YOU'RE READY. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR MARK FINSTER
MAKER ON BEHALF OF SUSTAINABLE
CONSERVATION, PROUD TO SPONSOR
THIS MEASURE. UH BRIEFLY.
CLIMATE CHANGE AND HUMAN
DEVELOPMENT ARE LEADING TO THE
SPECIES LOSS AND HABITAT LOSS
THAT MR KARA JUST HIGHLIGHTED
BUT ARE 30 BY 30 GOAL IS LEADING
THE WAY TO REVERSE THESE TRENDS.
30 BY 30 HAS DUAL GOALS OF
PROTECTING REMAINING UNTOUCHED
NATURAL HABITAT AND RESTORING
DEGRADED HABITAT BACK TO A
HEALTHY STATE. BUT HURDLES EXIST
TO ACHIEVING GREATER HABITAT
RESTORATION. AND FORTUNATELY,
CALIFORNIA HAS RECOGNIZED THIS
ISSUE AND IS MOVING FORWARD WITH
CUTTING THE GREEN TAPE. MAYBE 15
81 WOULD ADD TO THE CUTTING THE
GREEN TAPE PROCESS AS MR
CALDWELL LAID OUT AND SO WE
THINK THIS BILL WILL HELP US
MOVE FASTER. WE MUST MOVE FASTER
TO PROTECT OUR BIODIVERSITY. AND
WE THANK MR KARA FOR AUTHORING
THIS BILL AND RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR I VOTE. THANK YOU. HI
JEFFERSON BARRICADED AND MEMBERS
OF THE ASSEMBLY WATER PARKS AND
WILDLIFE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
REGGIE. CONS UM, AS A AS
GORGEOUS MENTIONED AND LEGAL AND
POLICY DIRECTOR OF CULTURE THAT
I AM HERE TODAY, BECAUSE I
BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO GET MORE
RESTORATION DONE EFFECTIVELY AND
EFFICIENTLY IN CALIFORNIA IF WE
WANT TO ROBUST AND DIVERSITY
ECOSYSTEM IN OUR MANAGED
LANDSCAPES. WE BELIEVE 18 58
EXCUSE ME. WE BELIEVE THAT A B
15 81 HOUSE, MOVE THE NEEDLE
FORWARD AND IMPLEMENTING MORE
PROJECTS AND FASTER. PALTROW HAS
SUPPORTED THE GREAT WORK DONE BY
SAS CON C N R A IN THE LARGER
COMMUNITY SUPPORTING CUTTING THE
GREEN TAPE. IN FACT, CALTRANS
JUST FUN JUST RECEIVED FUNDING
FOR A $9.6 MILLION PROJECT ON
BIG CHICO CREEK. UM THAT
UTILIZED KIND OF GREEN TAPE
PROVISIONS, INCLUDING SEQUA
EXEMPTIONS, PROGRAMMATIC
BIOLOGICAL OPINIONS FROM U. S.
FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE AND
NOAH FISHERIES, AMONG OTHERS. UM
THE PROVISIONS AT OTHER
ITERATIONS OF CUTTING THE GREEN
TAPE WILL ENABLE CAL TROUT TO
SAVE THIS PROVISION ENABLED CAL
TRIED TO SAVE OVER $750,000 IN
PERMANENT COSTS AND ALLOWS US TO
CUT PERMANENT TIME IN HALF TO
COMPLETE THE PROJECT AND IN OVER
1.5 YEARS FASTER THAN IT WOULD
HAVE. UM 80 B 18 50 OR 15 81
REDUCES THERE WERE DONE IN
SEEING THE CONSERVATION
ORGANIZATIONS HAVE TO FACE WHEN
PLANNING A LARGE SCALE NATURE
BASED SOLUTIONS LIKE SEEING ON
BIG CHICO CREEK. BY EXEMPTING
THESE ENTITIES THAT HAVE
RECEIVED RESTORATION MANAGEMENT
PERMIT TO PROCEED WITH PROJECT
WORK WITHOUT NEEDING THAT LAKE
AND STREAM BED. ALTERATION
PERMIT WILL BE SAVING THE STATE,
UH, PROJECT COMPONENTS AND
CONSULTANTS. TIME AND MONEY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK
YOU. ANY OPPOSITION IN THE ROOM?
SEEING NONE. ANYONE WHO'D LIKE
TO ADD ON THEIR SUPPORT BILL. HI
THERE. ALEX LEWIS ON BEHALF OF
TROUT, UNLIMITED AND SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ON THE PHONES
WITH SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION?
PRESS WONDER ZERO IF YOU WISH TO
EXPRESS SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.
THERE'S NO ONE GREAT. THANKS UM
NOT GREAT. WE LOVE PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT. BUT I'M GLAD WE
OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY. UH,
BRING IT BACK TO THE GREAT YES,
MR MATHIS. ANOTHER GOOD BILL
HERE. QUITE A ROLE. UH, WELL, I
MEAN, I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL
TAKEN AS WE GO TO RESTORE THE
ENVIRONMENT AS WE GOT TO GET
THINGS DONE. WE DON'T NEED GREEN
TEETH IN THE WAY TO HELP THE
ENVIRONMENT. AND WITH THAT I'D
LOVE TO JOIN AUTHOR THIS WITH
YOU TO SHOW BIPARTISAN EFFORT
AND TAKING CARE OF THE
ENVIRONMENT. PEOPLE WILL BE
HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD.
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE. UM WE
HAVE SEEMED ACTUALLY TO MR
MATTHEWS POINT QUITE A FEW BILLS
THIS EVENING THAT CUT THE GREEN
TAPE AND REALLY MAKE OUR SYSTEMS
MORE EFFICIENT WHILE PROTECTING
THE ENVIRONMENT SHOWING YOU CAN
DO BOTH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE
THAT. UM SO WITH THAT, MR COLE,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE VERY
PLEASANT, DID IT? IT SEEMS AND
I'M VERY HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT RESPECT. WE
ASK FOR MY VOTE. WE HAVE MOTION
IN A SECOND. THE MOTION IS YOU
PASSED THE APPROPRIATIONS MADAM
SECRETARY 15 81 BAUER-KAHAN
MATHIS COLONIES I, BENNETT,
DOLLY! DOLLY! I DAVIES DAVIES, I
FRIEDMAN HEART. HEART I CHOLERA
. CHOLERA I PELLERIN RUBIO RUBIO
. I SHIAVO I PHILIP VALLAPUDUA.
WARD AND WEBER. WE HAVE 10 I
VOTES THAT IS OUT OF THE ROAD
OPEN FOR ABSOLUTE CHRISTMAS
TRAVEL. ARE YOU READY? WE WILL
HEAR. MAYBE 16 31.
OKAY MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
VERY EXCITED TO PRESENT TO YOU A
B 16 31. 30 YEARS IS A LONG TIME
AGO, 30 YEARS AGO, I WAS
PRACTICING RUNNING HURDLES AND
AVOIDING EVER RACING HURDLES
BECAUSE THEY TERRIFIED ME. UM, I
WAS A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL 30
YEARS AGO. SANTA CLARITA WAS
ONLY THREE YEARS OLD AS A CITY
AND HALF THE SIZE THAT IT IS
TODAY. UM AND SO YOU KNOW, FOR
WATER APPROPRIATION PERMITS
BEFORE THE STATE WATER BOARD
THAT HAVEN'T HAVEN'T HAD A FINAL
DETERMINATION AND 30 YEARS,
MAYBE 30 A B 16 31 WILL CREATE A
NEW OPPORTUNITY TO PROTEST.
UNLESS THE BOARD HOLDS A
HEARING. ALLOWING ADDITIONAL
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN
PRESENTATION. IN THREE DECADES.
NEW DATA MAY BE FOUND FOR
FURTHER PRESERVATION OF NATURE,
UM, THAT COULD BECOME A FACTOR
DYNAMICS OF WATER HAVE CHANGED
DRASTICALLY IN CALIFORNIA DUE TO
CLIMATE CHANGE AND DROUGHTS.
ECOSYSTEMS MAY BE AFFECTED BY A
LARGE APPROPRIATIONS OF WATER.
THIS BILL ALLOWS COMMUNITY
MEMBERS TO PROVIDE HYDROGEN
LOGICAL DATA TO THE BOARD. AS TO
THE IMPACT OF SUCH PROJECTS ON
THEIR WATER SUPPLY. SPECIFICALLY
IN MY DISTRICT. THE SANTA CLARA
RIVER IS ONE OF THE LAST WILD
RIVERS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA,
WHICH IS WORTHY OF PROTECTION.
UM. THIS BILL WOULD ALLOW SUCH
PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF AT THE
WATERBOARD ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT
PROPOSED PROJECTS IN MY DISTRICT
AND BEYOND THAT ARE PENDING, UM
PERMIT THAT'S BEEN ONGOING FOR
30 YEARS, CALIFORNIANS WHO MAY
NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN BORN WHEN THE
PROJECT FIRST BECAME BEFORE THE
BOARD ARE NOW RAISING CHILDREN
IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND DESERVE A
CHANCE TO SPEAK THEIR PIECE ON
THE PROJECT AND A B 16 31 ALLOWS
JUST THAT. JOINING ME TODAY IS
THE MAYOR OF SANTA CLARITA,
JASON GIBBS TO ALSO SHARE
TESTIMONY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU,
ASSEMBLYWOMAN. GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR BAUER-KAHAN, VICE CHAIR.
MATHIS AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. I AM MAYOR JASON
GIBBS FROM THE CITY OF SANTA
CLARA TO AND I AM HONORED TO BE
WITH YOU TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY OF SANTA CLARITA TO URGE
YOUR SUPPORT OF ASSEMBLY BILL 16
31. IT IS CRITICAL THAT THE
WATER RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD
TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE MOST
UP TO DATE, ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS AND COMMUNITY INPUT
WHEN CONSIDERING A WATER
APPROPRIATIONS APPLICATION. THIS
LEGISLATION AIMS TO ENSURE THAT
THE BOARD HAS A SOLID FOUNDATION
UPON WHICH TO BASE A CREDIBLE
DECISION THAT'S BACKED BY
CURRENT DATA AND PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT. AS IS THE CASE FOR
MANY COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THIS
GREAT STATE, SANTA CLARITA HAS
EXPERIENCED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT
OF GROWTH IN THE LAST 30 YEARS,
MORE THAN DOUBLING OUR
POPULATION TO OVER 228,000
RESIDENTS. IN AN EFFORT TO
ENSURE RESPONSIBLE GROWTH. THE
CITY HAS PRIORITIZED THE
PROTECTION OF CRITICAL NATURAL
RESOURCES AND WILDLIFE CORRIDORS
, INCLUDING THE PRESERVATION OF
MORE THAN 11,000 ACRES OF OPEN
SPACE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF
OVER 80 MILES OF MULTI PURPOSE
TRAILS. EXPANDING ON OUR LOCAL
EFFORTS. THE SAN GABRIEL
MOUNTAINS LOCATED ADJACENT TO
SANTA CLARITA, AND 850 YARDS
FROM A PROPOSED LARGE SCALE
MINING PROJECT WITH A PENDING
WATER APPROPRIATION APPLICATION
THAT IS MORE THAN 30 YEARS OLD,
WAS DESIGNATED AS A NATIONAL
MONUMENT IN OCTOBER OF 2014 BY
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA. THESE
EFFORTS HAVE ENHANCED
RECREATIONAL ACCESSIBILITY AND
PROTECTED SOME OF THE STATE'S
MOST ICONIC WILDLIFE AND NATURAL
HABITATS WE HAVE IN THE SANTA
CLARITA VALLEY. MOREOVER DESPITE
THIS YEAR'S RAINFALL, THE SANTA
CLARA VALLEY HAS EXPERIENCED
EXTREME WEATHER CONDITIONS,
INCLUDING CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF
BELOW AVERAGE RAINFALL. THESE
EXTENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AND
COMMUNITY CHANGES. MAKE IT EVEN
MORE CRITICAL THAT THE BOARD
ISSUE A NEW PUBLIC HEARING AND
PROTEST ON LONG PENDING WATER
APPROPRIATION APPLICATIONS. AS
THIS THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED BILL
ONLY APPLIES TO APPLICATIONS
THAT HAVE BEEN PENDING FOR MORE
THAN 30 YEARS. ASSEMBLY BILL 16
31 WILL ONLY IMPACT THOSE
APPLICATIONS THAT ARE SEVERELY
OUTDATED AND LACK THE TRUE
IMPACTS TO OUR CURRENT WATER
SUPPLY OR HABITAT SPECIES, AIR
QUALITY AND OTHER IMPORTANT
ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. NOW THAT
I'VE SHARED SOME OF THE GREAT
THINGS THIS BILL DOES, I WOULD
LIKE TO BRIEFLY MENTION WHAT THE
BILL DOESN'T DO. THE BILL DOES
NOT STOP ANY PROJECT FROM MOVING
FORWARD AS THERE IS NOTHING IN
THIS LEGISLATION THAT OUTRIGHT
PREEMPTS AGGREGATE MINING OR ANY
OTHER MINERAL EXTRACTION
PROJECT. THIS BILL DOES NOT
CONFLICT WITH THE STATE'S
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION
REDUCTION GOALS, AND IN FACT, IT
DOES THE OPPOSITE. REQUIRING THE
BOARD TO CONDUCT A NEW PUBLIC
HEARING AND PUBLIC PROTEST. THIS
BILL ENSURES THAT WATER
APPROPRIATION APPLICATIONS
PENDING FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS
ARE VETTED BASED ON CURRENT
ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS AND GOALS
SET BY THE STATE. IT IS CRITICAL
THAT THIS PROCESS SECURE THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERESTED
STAKEHOLDERS AND MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
BOARD'S PROTEST PROCEEDINGS AND
ENSURE THAT THE BOARD CAN
CONSIDER PUBLIC COMMENTS
REGARDING CURRENT POTENTIAL
IMPACTS RELATED TO A WATER
APPROPRIATION APPLICATION. THERE
IS AN ENTIRE GENERATION OF
ADULTS THAT WERE NOT ALIVE OVER
TOO YOUNG TO PARTICIPATE IN
PENDING APPLICATIONS THAT THIS
LEGISLATION WOULD APPLY TO AS A
MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE A STAFF
ONE MORE MINUTE. MATTER OF FACT
, I HAVE A STAFF PERSON WITH ME
TODAY. THERE IS MERELY A YEAR
AND A HALF OLD WHEN THE WATER
APPROPRIATION APPLICATION FOR
THIS LARGE SCALE MINING PROJECT
IN THE SANTA CRUZ VALUE WAS
SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD, WHICH
STILL SITS PENDING TODAY. THESE
YOUNGER GENERATIONS WILL BE HERE
LONG AFTER WE'RE GONE. A LITTLE
MORBID BUT TRUE. AND THEY SHOULD
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN
ON THESE DECISIONS THAT WILL
UNDOUBTEDLY IMPACT THE
ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ALL LEAVE
BEHIND. I LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR
ASSEMBLYWOMAN SZABO AND OUR
OTHER STATE AGENCIES, COMMITTEES
AND OFFICES AND SUPPORTING THE
PASSAGE OF THIS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT LEGISLATION. SO I
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
OF MY COMMENTS AND ON BEHALF OF
THE SANTA CLARITA CITY COUNCIL,
I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR I VOTE
ASSEMBLY. THANK YOU. DID YOU
WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE
CITY OF SANTO CREED TO THE YEAR
AND A HALF OLD INDIVIDUAL YOU
WOULD BE ME AND YOUNGER THAN
MOST OF US. BUT YES, AND JUST
AVAILABLE. ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS?
AMAZING. THANK YOU. ARE YOU
BEING HERE? WITH THAT. PRINCIPAL
WITNESS AND OPPOSITION. JOIN US,
PLEASE. AND YOU, TOO, WILL HAVE
FOUR MINUTES. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS SCOTT GOVERNOR HERE ON
BEHALF OF SEVEN X, WHICH IS THE
ONLY COMPANY IMPACTED BY THIS
MEASURE. 30 YEARS IS A VERY LONG
TIME. DURING THAT TIME, THE CITY
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT
ON THE E I R E I S RECLAMATION
PLAN, OPERATIONAL PERMIT AND THE
WATER PERMIT ITSELF. THEY ALSO
FILED COUNTLESS LAWSUITS, ALL OF
WHICH THEY LOST AND WERE ORDERED
TO PAY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN
DAMAGES TO CENEX. THOSE LAWSUITS
TIED THIS PROJECT UP. FOR AT
LEAST SIX YEARS, AFTER WHICH
THERE WAS A SETTLEMENT, WHICH
CENEX THEN SUED THE CITY OVER
FOR VIOLENCE SETTLEMENT THAT
TIED IT UP ANOTHER EIGHT YEARS.
SO WE'VE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT
CUTTING GREEN TAPE. THIS DOES
THE EXACT OPPOSITE. IT WAS THE
CITY THAT CAUSED THE DELAY, NOT
THE COMPANY. UM IN TERMS OF WHAT
THIS BILL DOES AND DOESN'T DO
AND THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
IT IS ENTIRELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH
THE STATE'S G H G GOALS. IT WAS
THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION
WHO NOTED THAT ABSENT THIS
PROJECT, THERE WILL BE 100 AND
86 ADDITIONAL POUNDS OF CO TWO
EMITTED INTO THE ENVIRONMENT PER
TRUCKLOAD. SO IT'S HARD TO SEE
HOW THIS IS NOT INCOMPATIBLE
WITH THE STATE'S GHD GOALS.
DOZENS OF BILLS ON GHG. THIS IS
THE ONE BILL THEY WILL
EXPLICITLY INCREASED G H G
EMISSIONS, ACCORDING TO THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. AND MUCH OF
THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT
THAT THE STATE IS RUNNING OUT OF
AGGREGATES AS THE ANALYSIS
CORRECTLY POINTS OUT, SAN DIEGO
IS OUT. THE AGGREGATES ARE
COMING FROM MEXICO. SO YOU DON'T
WANT AGGREGATE MINDS IN SANTA
CLARA TO FINE THEY'RE GOING TO
COME IN BY SHIP USING BUNKER
FUEL BY RAIL AND BY TRUCKS OVER
LONGER DISTANCES. ALL THESE
WATER PROJECTS YOU ARE
DISCUSSING TODAY ALL THESE
HOUSING PROJECTS ROAD PROJECTS
THEY ALL REQUIRE AGGREGATES.
CALIFORNIA IS GOING TO BE IN A
POSITION WHERE EVERYTHING WE USE
MUST COME IN FROM OTHER
COUNTRIES OR STATES. AND THAT IS
A TERRIBLE PLACE TO BE AND I DO
NOT RECOMMEND UM, IN PART OF
THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT
THAT OH, CUT BACK THE SAN
FERNANDO VALLEY WHERE ASSEMBLY
WERE FRIEDMAN IS NOT HERE NOW
HAS FIVE YEARS REMAINING RIGHT
BEHIND, OKAY. HER DISTRICT HAS
FIVE YEARS OF AGGREGATE RESERVES
REMAINING AGAIN. NOT FOR ME,
THAT'S FROM THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. SO 30 YEARS AS AN
AWFUL LONG TIME THAT WAS CAUSED
PRIMARILY BY THE CITY ITSELF.
AND THEIR DECISION NOT TO HAVE
THIS IN THEIR BACKYARD.
ADVERSELY IMPACTS THE REST OF
CALIFORNIA. AN AIR QUALITY. AND
THE AVAILABILITY OF MATERIALS.
SO I ASKED FOR A NO VOTE TODAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR
GOVERNOR. UH ANY OTHER WITNESSES
HERE IN SUPPORT? INDIAN
OPPOSITION. KEEP THROWING YOU
ALL OFF. CHAIR MEMBERS. ADAM
HARPER, CALIFORNIA CONSTRUCTION
INDUSTRIAL MATERIALS ASSOCIATION
IN OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. WE
SUPPORT THE CALIFORNIA'S
RECOGNITION OF THE IMPORTANT
MINERALS RESOURCE THERE. THANK
YOU. SEEING NO OTHERS WILL GO TO
THE PHONES, MR MODERATOR, ANY
SUPPORTER OPPOSITION ON THE
PHONES. FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.
PLEASE PRESS ONE THAN ZERO PRESS
10. MADAM CHAIR. THERE IS NO
ONE. YEAH. BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE. MR RUBIO. THANK YOU.
I DID SPEAK TO THE AUTHOR
EARLIER TODAY. I APPRECIATE
THAT. IT IS A DISTRICT BILL, BUT
I'M UNCOMFORTABLE THAT, UM THIS
BILL ONLY, UH. TARGETS ONE
PARTICULAR PROJECT AND I ASKED,
IS THIS THE ONLY PROJECT THAT IT
AFFECTS? AND I BELIEVE THAT WE
AGREED THAT IT'S THE ONLY
PROJECT THAT INFECTS SO AND, UM
I SAW THE TIMELINE OF THE
LAWSUITS AND, UM I THINK THE
VERY FIRST LAWSUIT WAS 2001. SO
THAT'S 21 YEARS THAT IT'S BEEN
TIED UP IN LAWSUITS. SO YES,
IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS BUT AGAIN,
NOT BECAUSE OF A LACK OF, UH OF
PROGRESS. I AGAIN APPRECIATE THE
, UH, EFFORT, I GUESS, BUT I
WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S IT
AFFECTS ONE PROJECT THAN THAT'S
FEELS LIKE IT'S JUST AGAINST
THAT COMPANY OR THE AGAINST THE
ORGANIZATION RATHER THAN A
AFFECTS FOR ALL OF US. I AM IN
THE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY. UM THE
BANKABLE MOUNTAINS ARE THERE. I
REPRESENT THE CITY OF IRWINDALE,
WHO ALSO HAS THE MINDS AND WE'VE
BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
OUR PROJECTS. SOME OF THEM DO
HAVE HICCUPS AS ANY KIND OF
DIGGING THOSE RIGHT. BUT UM, THE
CITY OF IRWINDALE HAS BEEN ABLE
TO MOVE FORWARD. UH AND AGAIN I
APPRECIATED. HOWEVER IT JUST
FEELS LIKE YOU'RE BEING PUNITIVE
2 TO 1 PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR RUBIO.
MR BENNETT. CAN I HOST SORRY.
REGARDING A FEW MONTHS. IT'S
OKAY. TAKE THEM ALL AT ONCE. UM
WE SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME SORT
OF IN MY OFFICE AND IN THIS THIS
OR A COMMITTEE HEARING, I
BELIEVE IT WAS LAST YEAR MAY
HAVE BEEN THE YEAR BEFORE ON
THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I HAD
CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BILL LAST
YEAR OR SIMILAR SIMILAR BILL
LAST YEAR. I HAVE GREAT RESPECT
FOR THE AUTHOR AND WHAT SHE'S
TRYING TO DO. AND SO I WILL BE
SUPPORTING THIS. SEE HOW IT
MOVES THROUGH THE PROCESS AND AS
WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS, BUT
RESERVES THE RIGHT TO LEARN MORE
AND FIGURE OUT WHERE I'M GOING
TO GO WITH US AFTER THIS, BUT I
DO WANT TO LET THE AUTHOR AT
LEAST TO MOVE THE BILL SO THAT
WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION
FORWARD. THANK YOU, MR BENNETT.
YEAH, IT'S REALLY NICE. I ALSO
HAVE CONCERNS THAT OBVIOUSLY IT
IT NAMES JUST ONE COMPANY THAT
CEMEX COMPANY I. IT LOOKS LIKE
WE'RE GIVING SANTA CLARA TO
MAYBE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE
ON THIS THROUGH LEGISLATION, AND
WE'RE ALWAYS ANOTHER POINT. I
WANT TO MAKE US WE'RE ALWAYS
TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.
HOW WE NEED MORE HOUSING AND
STUFF LIKE THAT. I'M JUST
CURIOUS TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE
GOING TO GET OUR AGGREGATES IF
WE DO CLOSE THIS DOWN THE POINTS
THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TODAY WITH
THE GREEN TAPE. OKAY UM, I KNOW
THAT THE MAYOR MENTIONED THAT IT
DID NOT INTERRUPT THE OPERATION.
BUT YET I'M HEARING THE
OPPOSITION SAYING JUST THE
OPPOSITE. CAN I MAYBE GET THEM
TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE
ON THAT. UM WOULD YOU LIKE TO
BEGIN? YEAH SO JUST TO RESPOND
TO A NUMBER OF THINGS. UM YOU
KNOW, I THINK THAT THE YOU KNOW
THE OPPOSITION'S POINT AROUND
GHD GOALS. IT ALL DEPENDS ON
WHERE WHERE NEW AGGREGATE MINDS
CAN BE FOUND AND CAN BE
DEVELOPED. UM THIS WOULD BE THE
SECOND LARGEST AGGREGATE MINE IN
ALL OF NORTH AMERICA. IT IS
MASSIVE DOES A MASSIVE MIND IT
IS RIGHT ON THE 14 WITH WHICH,
IF ANYONE HAS DRIVEN THERE, YOU
KNOW IT'S A PARKING LOT ALREADY
, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 1200
EXTRA TRUCK. UM TRIPS A DAY,
WHICH I WOULD NOT SAY IS, UM IS
REDUCING GHG EMISSIONS. UM AND
YOU KNOW, WE I THINK THERE'S A
LARGER CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS
TO HAPPEN AROUND RECYCLING,
CONCRETE AND ALL THE OTHER KINDS
OF WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO,
BECAUSE THERE IS NOT WE CANNOT
KEEP MINING AND DIGGING IN
INFINITY, RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT OTHER
SOLUTIONS THAT ARE MORE UM MORE
ECOLOGICAL AND, UM, AND
RESPONSIBLE GOING FORWARD, SO I
THINK THAT IS PART OF A LARGER
CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO
HAVE. WE'RE NOT FIXING THAT IN
THIS BILL. UM WE AS YOU KNOW, I
SPOKE WITH MY COLLEAGUE EARLIER
ABOUT THE 30 YEAR MARK. MAYBE
NOT BEING THE APPROPRIATE MARK.
I AM. HAPPY TO MAKE IT 25 YEARS
OR 20 YEARS IF THEY THINK THAT
THAT IS BETTER, AND THAT WOULD
CAPTURE PROBABLY A WHOLE LOT OF
OTHER PROJECTS. UM AND YOU KNOW,
WE JUST THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT 30 YEARS, THAT IS
A REALLY LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, AND NASCENT CITY THAT IS
JUST STARTING AS IF THEY WERE
FULLY ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS IN
A WAY THAT CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN
AROUND FOR 100 OR 200 YEARS.
WOULD BE INVOLVED IN A PROCESS.
IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION
. SO YOU KNOW THIS IS THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN
NARROWED TO 30 YEARS THROUGH THE
PROCESS OF TALKING WITH THE
WATERBOARD THROUGH PREVIOUS BILL
PROCESSES AND DISCUSSIONS AT
THIS COMMITTEE IN THE PAST WAS
ASKED TO NARROW IT. TO FEWER
YEARS IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WE
ARE HERE BECAUSE OF FEEDBACK AND
DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN
THROUGH THE PROCESS IN THE PAST
, UM AND YOU KNOW, HAPPY AND
OPEN TO BRINGING THAT BAR DOWN
IF THAT'S WHERE THE CONSENSUS IS
AND HAPPY TO CONTINUE THAT
CONVERSATION, ABSOLUTELY. UM AND
YOU KNOW. I GUESS I WOULD JUST
SAY THAT, UM WE LIKE WE DO HAVE
TO FIND AGGREGATE, BUT THERE
SHOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
COMMUNITY INPUT. AND THIS IS
REALLY JUST DOING THAT RIGHT.
THIS IS NOT STOPPING A PROJECT.
IT'S NOT SAYING THAT IT CAN'T GO
FORWARD. IT'S JUST ALLOWING FOR
A PROCESS OF PUBLIC INPUT AT THE
STATE WATER BOARD LEVEL, WHICH I
THINK IS THE LEAST WE COULD DO
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30
YEARS WHEN WHAT WE WERE YOU KNOW
WHAT KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS WE
WERE HAVING ABOUT WATER 30 YEARS
AGO. IMAGINE HOW THAT HAS
CHANGED. UM AND WE NEED TO HAVE
AN UPDATED CONVERSATION ABOUT
HOW THIS MASSIVE GARGANTUAN
PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE ON OUR
COMMUNITY. I HAVE A FOOT IN BOTH
THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY AND IN
SANTA CLARA TO VALLEY SO I'M
VERY AWARE OF THE NEEDS, UM IN
BOTH AREAS, AND I THINK THAT WE
STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE ARE BEING
RESPONSIBLE, MOVING FORWARD WITH
SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NO ONE'S
SAYING IT'S MX'S. FAULT THAT YOU
KNOW THE PROJECT HASN'T MOVED
FORWARD. IT CERTAINLY YOU KNOW,
IS NOT THEIR INTENT. UM BUT WE
ARE WHERE WE ARE. AND IT IS 30
YEARS LATER, AND WE STILL NEED
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A RESPONSIBLE
CONVERSATION ABOUT THE NEEDS OF
OUR WATER. UM AND THE NEEDS OF
OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT
THAT IS, UM, IS INCORPORATED
INTO THINKING ABOUT MOVING
FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT OR ANY
PROJECT THAT HAS THAT KIND OF A
TIME SPAN BETWEEN TAKING OUT A
PERMIT AND TRYING TO FINALIZE
THAT AND I'LL LEAVE IT TO GUESTS
HERE IF THEY HAVE OTHER
RESPONSES. AND IN REGARD TO JUST
THE ONE QUESTION HERE ABOUT WHAT
THE BILL DOES AND WHAT THE BILL
DOESN'T DO. I MEAN, THE
ASSIGNMENT PUT IT IN A VERY
CONCISE WAY, BUT I WOULD I WOULD
TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER. I
MEAN, THERE'S BEEN ARGUMENTS
MADE TIME AND TIME AGAIN. I KNOW
THIS BILL HAS COME TO THIS
COMMITTEE PRIOR. UM AND THE
ARGUMENT FROM THE PRIMARY
OPPONENTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE
SAME IN THAT THE BILL IS
ESSENTIALLY TARGETING THIS ONE
PROJECT AND WOULD HAVE PUT A
STOP TO THE PROJECT. THERE'S
NOTHING IN THE BILL AT ALL THAT
WOULD DO THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE
THE STATE WATER BOARD TO CONDUCT
A NEW PUBLIC. PROTESTS AND A NEW
PUBLIC HEARING. WHICH IS EXACTLY
WHAT THEY DID IN JUNE. 1991
WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO IT AGAIN
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN OVER 30 YEARS.
DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE IN
THAT. THAT ARGUMENT HAS BEEN
MADE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AS
WELL. AND LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE
WORKING ON WITH OUR FEDERAL
DELEGATION, BOTH IN THE SENATE
AND THE HOUSE ARGUMENTS, THE
SAME THAT THE BILL IS A TARGET
TO START THE PROJECT, AND IT IS
NOT DOING THAT. THANK YOU, MR
ALANIS. YES MATURE. SO THE
MAYOR, UM. IT JUST FEELS LIKE
THIS IS A GROSS OVERREACH OF
STATE OF USING THE LEGISLATURE.
DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THAT THAT
YOU NEED THE STATE TO SOLVE A
LOCAL PROBLEM OR A LOCAL
JURISDICTIONAL PROBLEM THAT YOU
GUYS HAVE. I DON'T KNOW THAT
IT'S ASKING TO SOLVE A LOCAL
PROBLEM. BUT I AM AT WE ARE
ASKING THE STATE TO INTERVENE
WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO, AND I
BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE WHEN
YOU'RE DISCUSSING SUCH A BIG
ISSUE WHEN GUARDS TO WATER ON
SOMETHING THAT HAS CHANGED FROM
1991 TO 2021 TO 23/30 YEARS
LATER. THAT THAT IS OUR PURPOSE
HERE. YES SIR. IT ALSO ALLOWS
FOR LOCAL INPUT. YOU KNOW FOR
THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A VOICE ON
THIS WHERE THEY HAVE NO VOICE
RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE WHO LITERALLY
WERE NOT BORN WHEN THIS PROJECT
WAS CONCEIVED, HAVE HAD NO VOICE
HAVE NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AT
THE LOCAL LEVEL, UM, TO SPEAK UP
, AND SO THIS CREATES A PROCESS
FOR LOCAL UM RESIDENTS AND
COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION. OKAY AND I GET THE
THEY WEREN'T BORN. I MEAN, WE
CAN GO THERE WITH A LOT OF
THINGS NOW WITH THROUGHOUT THE
STATE IF WE WANT TO GO THERE,
BUT I JUST I STILL SEE THIS AS A
GROSS OVERREACH OF STATE
GOVERNMENT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE
TO ME AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
THIS TO OUR COLLEAGUE, UH,
BROUGHT THIS UP ABOUT THE
LAWSUITS AND HOW IT'S BEEN TIED
UP. AND SO I KNOW WE'RE USING
THOSE YEARS. BUT IN REALITY, IT
HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG. AND SO
I'M JUST WONDERING IF WITH THE
OPPOSITION. HOW LONG HAVE YOU
GUYS ACTUALLY BEEN OPERATING?
WELL THIS FACILITY IS NOT
OPERATING ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IT
WAS NOT. IT WASN'T MINE
PREVIOUSLY. UH TO BLM 10 YEARS
TO GET THE INITIAL APPROVALS
DONE, AND A YEAR AFTER THAT, WE
WERE SUED, UM AND JUST IN
REGARDS TO THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
WE GET OFF OUR AMENDMENTS TO THE
AUTHOR TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING
AND ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE
INPUT. THOSE WERE REJECTED. THE
DISTINCTION IS THIS BILL MAKES
US START OVER AGAIN. WHAT WE
SAID IS THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE
INPUT, AS HAS BEEN SUGGESTED.
AND THAT WATER RESOURCE PORK AND
TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, BUT IT
DOESN'T START THE CLOCK OVER. SO
WE DID OFFER THAT BY THE WAY.
GOT YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU, MR BENNETT. THANK
YOU. JUST ASK THE WITNESS AN
OPPOSITION. WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT
HAVING ANOTHER WATER BOARD
HEARING. DO YOU MEAN STARTING
THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN? OR
HAVING THE HEARING THAT PUBLIC
CAN PROVIDE INPUT HEARING. YEAH
BUT BUT THIS LEGISLATION HERE
STARTS THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN.
SO I'M SORRY I TOOK THIS FROM
THE WATER RESOURCE CONTROL BOARD
. THIS IS A PAGE FROM I DON'T
KNOW THIS PROJECT THAT IS WHERE
THE WATER RESOURCE CONTROL BOARD
IS OBLIGATED TO RESPOND TO EVERY
SINGLE COMMENT INDIVIDUALLY. NO
MATTER WHERE IT COMES FROM. THE
INTENT OF THIS BILL IS TO FLOOD
THE BOARD WITH COMMENTS AND IT
WILL TAKE THEM YEARS TO RESPOND
ONE BY ONE. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
THE WATER RESOURCE CONTROL BOARD
HAS BEEN SAID TODAY IS
REMARKABLY SLOW, WHICH IS AN
ISSUE UNDER ITSELF. THAT IS THE
PROBLEM, SIR. SO THE PROBLEM IS
THAT IT MAY DELAY THE PROJECT
EVEN FURTHER YESTERDAY, YEARS.
IF YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT THE
PROJECT IS A GOOD PROJECT FROM
THE STANDPOINT OF WATER USE AND
THE ISSUES THAT THE STATE WATER
REVIEWS. 30 YEARS AGO, STATE
WATER BOARD MAY HAVE HAD
DIFFERENT LENS WHEN THEY WERE
DOING THAT REVIEW THAN NOW. BUT
IF YOU FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT THE
PROJECT OUTSIDE OF DELAY, IS
THERE ANY OTHER PROBLEM WITH
GOING TO THE STATE WATER BOARD?
YES SIR. IT'S NOT AS EASY AS
THAT THE WHOLE PICTURE BECAUSE
THE DELAY IS CAUSES CAUSED THE
LEASES TO EXPIRE. SO SAM AX JUST
PREVAILED IN A LAWSUIT OVER BLM
CONCERNING THE LEASES, SO BY
EXTENDING IT OUT FURTHER,
THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP EXPIRING.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM AND WHEN DO
THE VISAS EXPIRE? THE NEW TERM,
I THINK IS 15 YEARS FROM NOW.
LAST YEAR. YES FORBES. SO FOR 14
YEARS, SO IF STATE WATER BOARD
IT TOOK 14 YEARS. THIS WOULD BE
A PROBLEM. IF, AFTER THE STATE
WATER BOARD APPROVES THE
PROJECT, I'M REALLY JUST TRYING
TO EDUCATE MYSELF. STATE WATER
BOARD APPROVES THE PROJECT. ARE
THERE ANY OTHER THAN NEW
APPROVALS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE
OBTAINED? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF
NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY?
MR MATHIS. SO THIS PROJECT THESE
CONCERNS REMIND ME OF THE
FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM THAT I SEE
WITH CALIFORNIA AND THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO
DO. WITHIN THIS LEGISLATIVE
BODY. THERE'S A SET OF ROLES
THAT ARE LAID OUT THERE. THERE'S
SET OF LAWS. THAT PEOPLE TRY TO
DO BUSINESS BY THEY PLAN THEY
INVEST MONEY THEY GO THROUGH
PROCESSES. HMM AND IT'S KIND OF
LIKE THE IDEA IS YOU'RE PLAYING
THE GAME OF MONOPOLY. AND EVERY
TIME YOU GO PAST GO, THE RULES
CHANGE. AND THAT TO ME IS WHAT
THIS DOES. WE'VE GOT A PROCESS
HEAT. 30 YEARS IS A LONG TIME.
YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S
PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T ALIVE, THEN.
BUT THERE ARE STILL A PROCESS
THAT WAS DONE THAT HAD FOLLOWED
THE RULES OF ITS DAY. AND THOSE
PROCESSES NEED TO BE HONORED.
BECAUSE IF WE CONTINUE TO DO
THIS, WE SET UP A PRESIDENT'S IN
THE STATE THAT ANY TIME WE DON'T
LIKE A SPECIFIC PROJECT. WE CAN
JUST HAVE OUR FRIEND IN THE
LEGISLATOR RUN A BILL. AND
CHANGE UP EVERYTHING. AND UNDER
THE WORK THE TIME THE EFFORT THE
FINANCES. IT'S NOT LIKE THESE
COMPANIES MAGICALLY GET THE
FUNDING AND THE INVESTMENT IN
THE CAPITAL THAT WAS PUT INTO
DOING THIS BACK. WHO COVERS
THAT. WHO PAYS FOR THAT? WHOSE
PAYS FOR A ADDITIONAL 15 YEARS.
WHO'S GONNA HANDLE THAT
INVESTMENT? WHERE IS THAT GOING
TO COME FROM? THAT IS WHY PEOPLE
CONTINUE TO LEAVE OUR STATE.
THAT IS WHY INVESTMENTS CONTINUE
TO GO ELSEWHERE. WE HAD JUST IN
THE FIRST QUARTER. JUST IN THE
FIRST QUARTER. I BELIEVE THE
NUMBERS WERE AROUND 200,000.
PEOPLE LEFT CALIFORNIA. WE DON'T
NEED TO PUSH MORE PEOPLE OUT. WE
DON'T NEED TO PUSH MORE
BUSINESSES OUT. WE HAVE A LOT
THAT WE CAN DO IN A LOT THAT WE
CAN PROVIDE HERE IN THE STATE
MEMBERS ASKED YOU FOR A NO VOTE
ON THIS. SEEING NO ADDITIONAL
QUESTIONS. UM. I'M GETTING THE
OPPORTUNITY CLOSE. I'M JUST
GONNA SAY SOMETHING FIRST, BUT I
THINK THE POINT WAS MADE HERE.
ALSO BY THE WAY, THAT IS A SIDE
OF THIS, WHICH IS WE NEED TO
FIND THE COURTS BETTER 21. YEARS
OF LITIGATION IS JUST TOO LONG
ON ANYTHING SO THAT WOULD HAVE
SOLVED A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS
HERE. LET'S JUST ADD THAT TO OUR
LIST OF TWO DUIS. UM BUT YOU
KNOW, I DO. I DO WANNA JUST
ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT THE OTHER SAID
AND SAY THE BILL IS DOES APPLY
TO ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE OVER 30
YEARS. UM, AND ALTHOUGH AT THIS
TIME AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS
THE ONLY PROJECT. IT'S NOT TO
SAY IT WOULDN'T BE THE ONLY
PROJECT IN THE FUTURE AGAIN. WE
SHOULD GET THOSE COURTS IN ORDER
AND THEN LIKELY IT WOULDN'T
HAPPEN. BUT YOU KNOW, I DO WANT
THAT TO BE CLARIFIED. AND WITH
THAT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
YEAH I MEAN, I THINK THE I
APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S INPUT AND
HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO
HAVE CONVERSATIONS. UM THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE OFFERED
WOULD REALLY, UM REMOVE ANY
POINT OF THIS BILL. UM THAT'S MX
OFFERED. SO WE MIGHT AS WELL
JUST NOT DO A BILL IF WE HAD
ACCEPTED THOSE AMENDMENTS, BUT
WE'RE HAPPY TO FIND IF THERE IS
A SWEET SPOT. HAPPY TO CONTINUE
CONVERSATIONS. UM YOU KNOW? THIS
BODY LEGISLATES EVERY YEAR, SO
JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROCESS
IN PLACE 30 YEARS AGO DOES NOT
MEAN THAT IT IS SET IN STONE AND
SHOULD BE THE ONLY PROCESS
FOREVERMORE. UM THAT IS, YOU
KNOW THE PURPOSE OF WHY WE'RE
HERE. WATER AND OUR WATER
CRISIS. IS EXTREME COMPARED TO
30 YEARS AGO, AND I THINK THAT
YOU KNOW THIS IS A RESPONSIBLE
WAY FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. IT
IS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU POINTED
OUT, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BENNETT
IT'S A HEARING AT WITH SOME
INPUT. UM AND YOU KNOW IT'S NOT
GOING TO TAKE THE 15 YEARS ON
THEIR PERMIT TO GO THROUGH
ANOTHER HEARING. WE ALL KNOW
THAT. UM SO WE'RE HOPING THAT
THIS IS THE BARE MINIMUM THAT WE
CAN DO IS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE INPUT
AND SOMETHING THAT, UM THAT YOU
KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE NOT HAD A
CHANCE TO HAVE INPUT ON FOR 30
YEARS. THAT WOULD HAVE A HUGE
HUGE IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY AND
ON OUR WATER FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I VOTE
. THANK YOU. WE DO NOT YET HAVE
EMOTION. AND THIS ONE. DO YOU
WANT TO IMAGINE YOU MOVED IT
OKAY, WELL, MR BRENNAN MOVED IT.
WHETHER NOW OR LATER, MR HARDEST
, SECONDING IT AND THE MOTION IS
DUE PASSED THROUGH
APPROPRIATIONS. MADAM SECRETARY.
A B 16 31 BOW BAUER-KAHAN
BARKING AND I MATHIS MATH IS NO
COLONIES. COLONIES? NO, BENNETT.
BENNETT, I DALI DALI. NO,
DAVIES. BABY'S NOT VOTING.
FRIEDMAN I HEART HEART. I KALRA
KALRA. I PELLERIN HALLORAN. I
RUBIO RUBIO NOT VOTING SHIAVO.
AYE VÚI. BILL VALLAPUDUA PHILIP
FOOD. WE'RE NOT VOTING WARD.
WEBER. WEBER. AYE. AWESOME.
EIGHT VOTES IT IS OUT AND I
DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ABSENT
MEMBERS. RIGHT SO THAT ONE WE
WILL NOT LEAVE OPEN. PERHAPS
SOME MEMBERS. AND MS FRIEDMAN,
YOU ARE UP OUR FINAL AUTHOR THE
DAY UH. YOU HAVE TWO PILLS. YOU
HAVE A PREFERENCE? MAYBE 15 72.
THEN WE'LL GO FIRST. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS EXCEPT
THE SUGGESTED COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS ON PAGE SIX AND
SEVEN, SECTION SIX OF THE
ANALYSIS. MAYBE 15 72 WOULD
PROHIBIT THE USE OF DRINKING
WATER FOR THE IRRIGATION OF
NONFUNCTIONAL TURF. THAT'S GRASS
. THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PURPOSE.
UM, THAT'S JUST ORNAMENTAL,
LOCATED NOT ON RESIDENTIAL BUT
ON COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL,
MUNICIPAL, INSTITUTIONAL AND
MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL
PROPERTIES IN STAGES BETWEEN
JANUARY 1ST 2026 THROUGH AND
JANU VERY 1ST 2030. I'M NOT
GOING TO GO INTO THE NEED FOR US
TO DO A LOT TO KEEP OURSELVES
OUT OF DROUGHT OR TO SQUEEZE
EVERY DROP OF WATER THAT WE
NEED. YOU ALL KNOW THAT VERY
WELL. BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THE
THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE
USE WATER ON THE PLACES WE NEED
IT THE MOST. THE COMMISSIONER OF
THE U. S BUREAU OF RECLAMATION
HAS STATED THAT REDUCTIONS OF
WATER WITHDRAWALS FROM 2 TO 4
MILLION ACRE FEET PER YEAR. OR
AS MUCH AS ONE THIRD OF THE
RECENT USE OF THE COLORADO RIVER
IS GOING TO BE NEEDED TO PROTECT
WATER AND POWER OPERATIONS AT
OUR LARGE DAMS AND TO AVOID
CATASTROPHIC DEPLETION OF OUR
LEGS. NOW CALIFORNIA IN
DIFFERENT STATES HAVE BOUGHT IT
FOR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR
RECLAMATION TO CONSIDER. BUT THE
PROPOSALS PUT FORWARD ALL
ENVISION MAJOR REDUCTIONS, ALL
OF THEM A SIGNIFICANT SHARE OF
WHICH WILL NEVER BE FALL ON OUR
URBAN WATER USERS. SO WHAT'S THE
BEST AND LEAST PAINFUL WAY TO DO
THAT? WE THINK THAT WE SHOULD
STOP USING POTABLE WATER TO
TREAT URBAN LANDSCAPES THAT
AREN'T USED FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT
OUR EYES. IN A YEAR WITHOUT
DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS. ROUGHLY
HALF OF ALL PUBLICLY SUPPLIED
WATER IS USED OUTDOORS PRIMARILY
FOR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION IN MUCH
OF THE STATE TURFGRASS BECAUSE
BECAME A STAPLE OF URBAN
DEVELOPMENT IN BOTH RESIDENTIAL
AND COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS, AS
WELL AS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IN
A STUDY PUBLISHED IN 2005, IT
WAS ESTIMATED THAT CALIFORNIA
HAD APPROXIMATELY 2.75 MILLION
ACRES OF TURFGRASS. NEARLY ALL
OF THIS TURF REQUIRES IRRIGATION
TO SURVIVE, AND NEARLY ALL OF
THE IRRIGATION IS WITH TREATED
DRINKING WATER. THIS BILL WAS AN
EXTENSION OF PASSING CURRENT
STATE POLICIES. IT WILL HELP
BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITIES SAVE
WATER AND MONEY, AND IT WILL
HELP US TRANSITION TO
SUSTAINABLE ALTERNATIVES TO KEEP
OUR LANDSCAPES BEAUTIFUL. NOW
WE'VE HAD PRODUCTIVE COOPERATION
WITH SOME OF THE OPPOSITION THAT
YOU MIGHT HEAR FROM TODAY.
RECENT AUTHORS AMENDMENTS IN THE
BILL NOW DEAL WITH CONCERNS
RAISED BY AQUA CMU, A. THE
CALIFORNIA AND THE CALIFORNIA
WATER ASSOCIATION, AND WE HOPE
TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION SO
THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THE
REMAINING WATER AGENCIES
CONCERNS. IN FUTURE AMENDMENTS.
TESTIFYING ON SUPPORT IF THEY'RE
STILL HERE FOR OUR SPONSOR, NRDC
IS EDDO SAN IN PERSON AND JUSTIN
SCAR WITH CALIFORNIA WATER
SERVICES ON THE PHONE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE FOUR
MINUTES BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MY NAME
IS ED O SAN. I'M WITH THE
NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL AND I'M TESTIFYING ON
BEHALF OF THE NRDC AND HEAL THE
BAY. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT
THAT OWNERS OF NONFUNCTIONAL
TURF ARE ALREADY ON NOTICE THAT
IRRIGATING SUCH AREAS WITH
POTABLE WATER MAY NOT BE
AVAILABLE IN FUTURE YEARS. THE
STATE WATER BOARDS EMERGENCY
DROUGHT REGULATIONS HAVE
PROHIBITED THE IRRIGATION OF
NONFUNCTIONAL TURF WITH POTABLE
WATER AT ALL COMMERCIAL,
INDUSTRIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL
PROPERTIES SINCE LAST JUNE.
MAYBE 15 72, IN EFFECT MAKES THE
CURRENT REGULATIONS PERMANENT.
THE BILL PROVIDES AN ACCOMMODATE
ACCOMMODATIVE BUT PREDICTABLE
TIMETABLE. FOR PROPERTY OWNERS
TO PLAN CARRY OUT THE TRANSITION
TO MORE SUSTAINABLE LANDSCAPING
. A TRANSITION THAT WE ALL KNOW
IS NECESSARY AS THE EFFECTS OF
CLIMATE CHANGE. TAKE HOLD. WE
ARE COMMITTED TO ADDRESSING THE
REMAINING ISSUES IDENTIFIED BY
WATER AGENCIES, AND WE URGE A
YES VOTE ON THE BILL AS AMENDED.
THANK YOU AND THE WITNESS ON THE
PHONE. THE NAME THAT'S FRIEDMAN.
THAT IS JUSTIN SCARF. IF WE CAN
GET MODERATOR FROM JUSTIN SCARF
ON THE PHONE, PLEASE. I THINK MY
WINE IS LIFE RIGHT ABOUT THAT IS
PLEASE GO AHEAD. UH I'M WITH
CALIFORNIA WATER SERVICE, WHERE
THE SECOND LARGEST RETAIL WATER
UTILITY IN THE STATE. WE SERVE
ABOUT TWO MILLION CALIFORNIANS
FROM CHICO IN THE NORTH TO THE
PALACE VERDES PENINSULA IN THE
SOUTH AT THE OUTSET, I WANT TO
THANK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FRIEDMAN
FOR THE TIME HER AND HER STAFF
WOULD PUT INTO THIS BILL AND
WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT
TOPIC BOTH FROM THE WATER
CONSERVATION SIDE AND JUST
STATEWIDE POLICY. WHILE SOME
ADDITIONAL TINKERING WITH THE
LANGUAGE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE
NEEDED, WE REALLY FELT IT WAS
IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT THE BILL AT
THIS STAGE BECAUSE OF HOW
CRITICAL WATER CONSERVATION IS
TO THE FUTURE OF CALIFORNIA'S
WATER SUPPLY, QUITE SIMPLY, THE
IRRIGATION OF NONFUNCTIONAL TURF
IS SOMETHING WE CAN AND SHOULD
DO WITHOUT, UM, THE AMENDMENTS
THAT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FRIEDMAN
HAS ALREADY TAKEN WILL MAKE THE
ENFORCEMENT COMPONENTS OF THE
BILL MORE THAN MANAGEABLE FOR
WATER SUPPLIERS IN THE STATE.
GIVEN ITS DIRECT IMPACT OF
CALIFORNIA'S WATER SECURITY. WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR I VOTE
ON THIS IMPORTANT LEGISLATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THAT COME UP FROM THE
WATER SUPPLIER SIDE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, PRINCIPAL WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS. I'M
GOING TO KEEP THIS RELATIVELY
SHORT. I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE.
MY NAME IS JULIA HALL WITH THE
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA WATER
AGENCIES, AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
COME HERE AND SPEAK ON THE BILL.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN OPPOSING
LESS AMENDED POSITION, BUT WE
REALLY APPRECIATE THE GOOD
CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD SO
FAR WITH THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE AND
WITH THE SPONSORS, UM, AND THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WENT INTO THE
PRINT LAST WEEK REALLY ADDRESSED
A HUGE PORTION OF OUR CONCERNS.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE GOALS
OF THE BILL, BUT WE'RE MORE
CONCERNED ABOUT THE DETAILS
ABOUT HOW WILL BE IMPLEMENTED.
UM WE DO PLAN TO CONTINUE THOSE
CONVERSATIONS. ASSUMING THIS
BILL IS VOTED OUT OF THIS
COMMITTEE TODAY AND TRY TO
ADDRESS THOSE REMAINING CONCERNS
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, I WANT
TO. I DO HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. SO THE
FIRST IS THAT THE DEFINITION OF
NONFUNCTIONAL TURKISH TURF IS A
WORK IN PROGRESS. AT THIS POINT,
THERE ARE SEVERAL STAKEHOLDERS
ENGAGED ON THE DEFINITION, AND
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE
GET IT RIGHT. SINCE THIS IS THE
FIRST TIME IT'S GOING TO BE
DEFINED IN STATUTE. WE'RE NOT
ASKING FOR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE,
BUT WE DO PLAN TO STAY ENGAGED
AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO
BE AN ONGOING ISSUE. THERE ARE
TWO OTHER OUTSTANDING CONCERNS I
WANTED TO BRIEFLY SHARE. THE
FIRST IS THAT THE BILL SEEKS TO
DIRECT FUNDING FOR THE PURPOSES
OF REPLACING TURF. WE HAVE NO
CONCERN WITH DIRECTING
CONSERVATION FUNDING FOR THAT
PURPOSE, BUT THE BILL ALSO SEEKS
TO DIRECT FUNDING INTENDED FOR
INTEGRATED REGIONAL WATER
MANAGEMENT. THAT FUNDING IS
INTENDED TO DEVELOP AND ADDRESS
LOCAL RESILIENCE PROJECTS BASED
ON LOCAL NEEDS. AND THOSE NEEDS
ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT
AROUND THE STATE. SO WE'RE
ASKING FOR THAT FUNDING TO BE
REMOVED. THE OTHER CONCERN IS
THE CURRENT SCOPE OF THE BILL.
SO THE NONFUNCTIONAL TURF BAND
WOULD INCLUDE COMMERCIAL
GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRIAL
PROPERTIES AND EXCLUDE SINGLE
FAMILY HOMES. BUT THE BILL WILL
INCLUDE MULTI FAMILY HOUSING IN
THE BAN WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
EQUITY OF TREATING DIFFERENT
TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING
DIFFERENTLY. RENTERS IN
APARTMENTS AND LOWER INCOME
NEIGHBORHOODS ARE MORE LIKELY TO
EXPERIENCE NEGATIVE, UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES OF A BAN ON
IRRIGATION. THOSE LANDLORDS ARE
MORE LIKELY TO STOP SIMPLY
STOPPED WATERING THEIR GRASS TO
BE COMPLIANT, WHICH COULD LEAD
TO HEAT ISLAND IMPACTS, TREE
MORTALITY AND INCREASED BLIGHT.
AT THIS TIME WE THINK OF THE
SCOPE OF THE BAND SHOULD BE
LIMITED TO THE COMMERCIAL
GOVERNMENT, INDUSTRIAL SECTORS
CONSISTENT WITH THE EMERGENCY
REGULATIONS, WHICH HAVE BEEN
REFERENCE AT THE STATE WATER
BOARD PUT INTO PLACE ALMOST A
YEAR AGO. UM I DO WANT TO
EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT WE CAN WILL
CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF
THESE ISSUES WITH THE AUTHOR.
ASSUMING THE BILL MOVES OUT
TODAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO
HIGHLIGHT THOSE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANY WITNESSES
BRANDING OUT WITNESSES? ANYBODY
HERE IN SUPPORT THE ONES TO COME
ADD ON NAME, ORGANIZATION AND
POSITION, PLEASE. ALEX LAMAR ON
BEHALF OF DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ON
BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB,
CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT MICHAEL
JARED ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE FOR
BIODIVERSITY AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. JUST MILAN FOR HEAL THE
BAY. ALTHOUGH YOU'VE REALLY DONE
IT. THANK YOU. HEY LINDA IS
CLINTON WITH AN RDC? BUT I'M
HERE. PROXY WITH US. GREEN
BUILDING COUNCIL OF LOS ANGELES
. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE
IN THE ROOM WOULD LIKE TO
REGISTER THEIR OPPOSITION.
PLEASE JOIN US. STEVE BAKER WITH
AARON REID AND ASSOCIATES FOR
THE UPPER SAN GABRIEL VALLEY
MUNICIPAL WATER AGENCY. UH
APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO
CONTINUE WORKING ON THE
UNRESOLVED ISSUES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS
ANALLY AKIN ON BEHALF OF MESA
WATER DISTRICT, WHERE OPPOSE A
LESSON MENDED. OUR COMMENTS ARE
ALIGNED WITH AQUA AND REALLY
APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS.
THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW ONE
ADDITIONAL THE ROOM MODERATOR,
ANY SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION ON THE
PHONES? PLEASE TRUST ONE AND
ZERO. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
LINE 1 68. LINE 1 68. YOUR LINE
IS NOW OPEN. REMEMBER THIS IS
AARON EVANS ON BEHALF OF VALLEY
WATER, THE SANTA CLARA VALLEY
WATER DISTRICT AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE TWO
MORE CALLERS WHOSE SIGNAL THAT
THEY WISH TO SPEAK. JUST A
MOMENT, PLEASE. WE'RE NOW GOING
TO GO TO LINE 1 60. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS ERIN
AVERY WITH THE CALIFORNIA
SPECIAL DISTRICTS ASSOCIATION,
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED. AND WHEN MY COMMENTS
WITH THIS HOLES THANK YOU. AND
NOW WE'LL GO TO LINE 1 72. HI
THIS IS SARAH BOUDREAU WITH THE
CITY OF ROOSEVELT WERE IN AN
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED POSITION
. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BRINGING
IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. MR
MATH. OH MR BENNET. I SUPPORT
THE BILL SUPPORT THE GOAL OF THE
AUTHORS. I DO THINK HEARING FROM
THE OPPOSITION. THE ONE THING I
WOULD THAT STRUCK ME AS
SOMETHING I WOULD CONSIDER WHICH
IS LOW INCOME MULTIPLE UNITS MAY
HAVE A CHALLENGE IN TERMS OF
COMING UP WITH SOMETHING
ALTERNATIVE TO GRASS. AH AND IF
VERY SOME CONSIDERATION IN TERMS
OF WHETHER THAT IS FUNCTIONAL
GRASS OR NOT. WHEN IT'S A
SERVING LOW, YOU KNOW, LOW
INCOME ON THINKING ABOUT PUBLIC
HOUSING PROJECTS, ETCETERA THAT
ARE TRYING TO FOCUS ON LOWER
INCOME PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THAT.
I'VE CERTAINLY AND THAT'S JUST
SOMETHING THAT I'D ASK THE
AUTHOR TO CONSIDER OF MOVED THE
BILL. THANK YOU. MR MATHIS.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHERRY. I THINK
THE POINTS. HOPEFULLY IT WILL
TAKEN ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE.
BETWEEN THIS BILL AND WHAT THE
EMERGENCY ORDER IS. UM AND
THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERNS LIVES.
FROM MY QUESTION TO THE AUTHORS.
WHY WHY NOT JUST STICK WITH THAT
DEFINITION THAT'S IN THE
EMERGENCY ORDER. IT'S ALREADY
BEING IMPLIED THAT ARE YOU KNOW
, FOLKS ARE USED TO IT. THEY
THEY'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTING IT.
THEY'VE BEEN FOLLOWING IT. SO TO
ME STICKING TO THAT EMERGENCY
ORDER IN AND KIND OF SAYING,
HEY, THIS HAS BEEN WORKING.
WE'VE SEEN CUTBACKS. THIS HAS
HELPED. LET'S STICK TO THIS. SO
WHEN THE EMERGENCY ORDERS OVER
CONTINUES, SO MY QUESTION IS WHY
, WHY HAVE A DIFFERENT
DEFINITION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING
TO DO HERE? WHY NOT JUST STICK
WITH THAT? WELL I THINK THAT FOR
ONE THING, THE EMERGENCY ORDER
WAS DONE VERY QUICKLY WITHOUT
THIS KIND OF STAKEHOLDER PROCESS
, SO THIS IS ALLOWING US TO
LISTEN TO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT
VOICES AND DIFFERENT AGENCIES
FROM ACROSS THE STATE. WHICH IS
WHY WE'RE HAVING A MORE ROBUST
AND SORT OF A MORE FLESHED OUT
POLICY. I'LL LET MY, UH MY
WITNESS ALSO CHINA. THERE ARE A
COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THAT. ONE
IS THAT WE STARTED OUT TRYING TO
PARALLEL. NEVADA'S LEGISLATION
ARE PARTNERS IN THE SOUTHERN
COLORADO. BASIN AND NEVADA'S, UH
BEEN ON USING POTABLE WATER TO
IRRIGATE NONFUNCTIONAL TURF
APPLIES TO ALL BUT SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENCES. UM AND WE WHEN WE
LOOKED AT DATA IN THE MET AREA
THEY HAVE THEY HAVE COMPILED
DATA ON ON TURF AREA. IT TURNS
OUT THAT MULTI FAMILY TURF
SQUARE FOOTAGE IS MORE THAN
TWICE THE COMBINATION OF
COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL UH,
SQUARE FOOTAGE OF TURF. TAKEN
TOGETHER, SO IT'S NOT AN
INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE AREA
OF TURFS THAT THAT WE NEED TO
ADDRESS WE HAVE. WE HAVE HEARD
THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN
RAISED HERE IN THE COMMITTEE AND
WE'RE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO
WORK WITH AQUA AND OTHERS TO
RESOLVE THIS ISSUE AS SOMEONE
THAT COMES FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT
AND WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE
IN MY CITY IN THE PAST WITH
MULTI FAMILY UM, THERE IS
CERTAINLY A VERY REAL CONCERN
ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE
AREAS WITH LANDLORDS AND NOT
JUST IN LOWER INCOME AREAS. BUT
YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF AREAS, YOU
KNOW WE SAW DURING THE LAST
DROUGHT BEFORE I WAS UP HERE.
PEOPLE TAKE OUT ALL OF THEIR
LANDSCAPING AND PUTTING
CONCRETE. FOR INSTANCE, WITH
THOSE IMPACTS. CITIES ALSO DO
HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE AS WE
AS WE DID IN MY CITY HAVE THEIR
OWN SORT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT IN
THEIR OWN REQUIREMENTS ABOUT
LIVE PLANT MATERIAL, WHICH WE
WOULD SUPPORT AND MANY OF OUR
WATER AGENCIES, INCLUDING
METROPOLITAN HAVE TOURIST
REPLACEMENT PROGRAMS THAT HAVE
BEEN REALLY HELPFUL AND HELPING
EVEN MULTIFAMILY. REPLACE A LOT
OF THIS TURF. BUT UNFORTUNATELY
, AS THEY SAID, THIS IS GOING TO
CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT
WE DON'T WANT IS THEY DON'T DO
ANYTHING, AND THEN THEY JUST
TURN OFF THE IRRIGATION WHEN
THEY HAVE TO. AND THEN THE STUFF
JUST THE TURF JUST DIES. AND
THIS GIVES THAT LEAD TIME TO LET
THEM SWITCH TO SOMETHING THAT IS
GOING TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE. SO
THAT YOU KNOW, WITH THE GOAL OF
KEEPING LIVE PANEL PLANT
MATERIAL INTO THE FUTURE, BUT WE
UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND WILL
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY
ON THAT. WE DEFINITELY DON'T
WANT THAT. THAT KIND OF
UNINTENDED EFFECT. I APPRECIATE
THAT, AND IT'S YES, SOME OF OUR
COMMUNITIES TO ARE KIND OF.
DON'T QUITE HAVE PURPLE PIPE
RUNNING TO ALL THE DIFFERENT
AREAS, AND THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE
AS WELL AS AS THAT TRIES TO COME
ONLINE. SO IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER
THOSE THINGS IN THE FUTURE, BE
GREAT. THANK YOU. MR V
VALLAPUDUA. SO I WILL ALSO BE
SUPPORTING THIS AND I JUST WANT
TO TELL AUTHOR VERY THOUGHTFUL
MITCH MEASURE APPROACH. UM, BUT
I ALSO ECHO MY COLLEAGUE.
SOMEBODY IN MY ROOM, MR BENNETT,
AND IF WE COULD YOU KNOW, TAKE A
LOOK AT THE DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES MAKING SURE THAT
THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF. YOU
KNOW, I DON'T WANT THEM TO HURT.
I DON'T WANT THIS BILL TO HURT
THEM. SO THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?
OKAY? UM WELL, MISS FRIEDMAN. I
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP IN THIS SPACE. I
THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE FOLLOW. UM OUR
NEIGHBOR STATES IN DOING THIS,
TAKING THIS IMPORTANT STEP TO
PROTECT WATER USE IN CALIFORNIA
. UM WE'VE TAKEN IN PART WITH
YOUR LEADERSHIP. GREAT STRIDES
ON INDOOR USE. UM BUT REALLY
OUTDOOR USE OF WATER IS WHERE WE
GET ARE GOING TO MAKE OUR NEXT
GREAT STRIDES ON CONSERVATION.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND WHAT
THAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
THANK YOU. WE HEAR THE CONCERNS
AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY FOCUSED
ON THIS AS THE BILL MOVES TOWARD
APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT AND WE
HAVE A MOTION. I BELIEVE BY MR
BENNETT DO HAVE A 2ND 2ND BY MS
SHADOW. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
MADAM SECRETARY E 15 72
BAUER-KAHAN I AND II MATHIS, NOT
VOTING COLONIES. ANY SNOW
BENNETT BY DALI DALI. NO DAVIES
DAVIES. NO FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN I
HEART HEART. CHOLERA CHOLERA. I
PELLERIN I RUBIO RUBIO, NOT
VOTING SHIAVO VÚI VILLE
VALLAPUDUA WHAT? I WARD AND
WEBER. WEBER. AYE. NINE VOTES.
IT IS OUT AND THERE ARE NO
ABSENT MEMBERS, SO WE WILL WAS
THE ROLE IN THAT ONE. MS
FRIEDMAN THE LAST BILL OF THE
DAY, MAYBE 15 73 SEYARTO. UM NO
, THANK YOU. THIS THIS BILL A B
15 73 IS KIND OF A COMPANION TO
THE BILL THAT YOU JUST HEARD
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH AND
WILL HOPEFULLY HELP FILL IN SOME
OF THE BLANKS OF SOME OF THE
ISSUES WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
ONCE AGAIN WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S
HAPPENING WITH THE DROUGHT. BUT
LET ME TALK ABOUT ANOTHER
DRASTIC ISSUE, WHICH IS
BIODIVERSITY. WE ALL KNOW THAT
WE NEED TO TAKE STRONG ACTION TO
CONSERVE OUR NATURAL RESOURCES
WHILE PROTECTING OUR
BIODIVERSITY. MAYBE 15 73 UNITE
A GROWING BODY OF CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC POLICY AIMED AT WATER
CONSERVATION. BIODIVERSITY
PROTECTION AND URBAN GREENING
SOMETHING WE WERE JUST TALKING
ABOUT WITH THE MULTIFAMILY. A
RECENT REPORT PUBLISHED BY
NATURE SER FOUND THAT 34% OF
PLANTS AND 40% OF ANIMAL SPECIES
IN THE U. S ARE AT RISK OF
EXTERMINATION WITH CALIFORNIA,
TEXAS AND THE SOUTHWEST LEADING
THE WAY. CALIFORNIA IS THE STATE
WITH THE GREATEST DIVERSITY OF
PLANT SPECIES IN THE NATION,
HOME TO 40% OF NORTH AMERICA'S
NATIVE BEE POPULATIONS,
SOMETHING I'M SURE IMPORTANT TO
THE MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN
AGRICULTURE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
IT ALSO HAS THE HIGHEST
PERCENTAGE OF AT RISK SPECIES
FOR THESE VITAL PLANTS AND
POLLINATORS, WHICH ARE THE BASIS
OF OUR FOOD CHAIN. IF THEY
COLLAPSE. WE DON'T HAVE FOOD.
DESPITE RECENT RAIN AND SNOW. OF
COURSE WE KNOW OUR WATER
SITUATION IS DIRE. NOW WE JUST
TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH OF OUR
IRRIGATION, WATER AND POTABLE
WATER IS USED IN NON FUNCTIONAL
TURF TURF IS ACTUALLY THE NUMBER
ONE IRRIGATED CROP IN THE UNITED
STATES. A B 15 73 WOULD
ELIMINATE THE USE OF NON
FUNCTIONAL TURF AND SET THE
STRONGEST LEVEL OF WATER
CONSERVATION REQUIREMENTS FOR
NON RESIDENTIAL LANDSCAPES,
INCLUDING REQUIRING ALL
NONRESIDENTIAL PROJECTS TO YOU
75% LOCAL NATIVE PLANTS FOR THE
PROJECT LANDSCAPING FOOTPRINT
AFTER DECEMBER 1ST 2026 UM AND
IT THAT'S FOR NEW LANDSCAPES. IN
ADDITION TO BEING A SCARCE
RESOURCE WATER IS INTENSE ENERGY
INTENSIVE TO MAKE POTABLE AND
TRANSPORT MOVING TO A NATIVE
PLANT. LANDSCAPES WERE REALIZED
. REDUCTION IN ENERGY, USE WATER
, USE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS,
AND THEY WILL ALSO HELP
DRASTICALLY IMPROVE OUR
BIODIVERSITY AND OUR NATIVE
PLANTS, WHICH ARE POLLINATORS
RELY ON THE BILL ALSO FURTHERS
GOVERNOR NEWSOM'S EXECUTIVE
ORDER THAT ESTABLISHES A STATE
POLICY TO PROTECT BIODIVERSITY
AND TAKE ACTION TO MAKE OUR
STATE MORE CLIMATE RESILIENT
THROUGH STATE AGENCY ACTION. AND
PROMOTES BIODIVERSITY PROTECTION
, HABITAT RESTORATION AND
WILDFIRE, RESILIENT SUSTAINABLY
MANAGED LANDSCAPES AND OTHER
CONSERVATION OUTCOMES AND
CONCLUSION. THIS BILL WILL
REDUCE UNNECESSARY OUTDOOR WATER
BY PUTTING CLIMATE ADAPTIVE
NATIVE PLANTS TO WORK. IT'LL
SAVE OUR NATURAL RESOURCES,
INCREASE OUR BIODIVERSITY AND
GIVE PEOPLE WHO OWN A LOT OF ALL
OF THIS PROPERTY, SOMETHING ELSE
TO PLANT THAT'S GOING TO USE
LESS WATER WHEN PEOPLE START TO
REALIZE THAT THAT TURF IS TAKING
UP WATER, BUT YOU CAN PLANT
SALVIAS, UH, TOY INS, ALL KINDS
OF BEAUTIFUL PLANTS, NATIVE MILK
WEEDS THAT REQUIRE A LOT LESS
WATER AND ARE EVEN MORE
BEAUTIFUL, TESTIFYING AND
SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF OUR
SPONSOR. THE CALIFORNIA NATIVE
PLANT SOCIETY IS ANDREA
WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR OF
BIODIVERSITY INITIATIVE. I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU. ANDREW WILLIAMS
IS JOINING US. WHEN YOU'RE
READY, MISS WILLIAMS. THANK YOU
. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. I'M
ANDREA WILLIAMS, THE DIRECTOR OF
BIODIVERSITY INITIATIVES TO THE
CALIFORNIA NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY.
WE'RE A NONPROFIT ENVIRONMENTAL
ORGANIZATION WITH MORE THAN
12,000 MEMBERS AND 36 CHAPTERS
STATEWIDE, AND OUR MISSION IS TO
PROTECT CALIFORNIA'S NATIVE
NATIVE PLANT HERITAGE AND TO
PRESERVE IT. FOR FUTURE
GENERATIONS THROUGH THE
APPLICATION OF SCIENCE, RESEARCH
, POLICY, EDUCATION AND
CONSERVATION. MPS IS PLEASED TO
SPONSOR A B 15 73, AND WE'D LIKE
TO THANK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S.
FRIEDMAN AND HER STAFF WERE
OFFERING THIS BILL. WE STAND
TODAY AT AN INFLECTION POINT IN
CALIFORNIA, WHERE THE
INTERCONNECTED CRISES OF CLIMATE
EXTREMES, BIODIVERSITY LOSS AND
INEQUITY IN ACCESS TO NATURE'S
BENEFITS. NEED SOLUTIONS THAT
ARE EQUALLY MULTIFACETED. MAYBE
15 73 BRINGS TOGETHER WATER
SAVINGS, BIODIVERSITY PROMOTION
AND URBAN GREETING AND
RECOGNITION OF THE ROLE
CULTIVATED LANDSCAPES PLAY IN
EVERYDAY NATURE. ROUGHLY HALF OF
ALL PUBLICLY SURVIVED. WATER IS
USED PRIMARILY FOR LANDSCAPE
IRRIGATION, AND MUCH OF THAT
IRRIGATION IS POTABLE WATER USED
ON NON FUNCTIONAL TURF. A STUDY
BY THE PACIFIC INSTITUTE IN 2022
ESTIMATED THAT CONVERSION OF
TURF TO LESS WATER USING
LANDSCAPE SPECIFICALLY AT
COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND
INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTIES. WOULD
SAY COULD SAVE 400,000 ACRE FEET
OF WATER PER YEAR, AND IT'S
WORTH NOTING THAT THAT'S THE
EXACT AMOUNT THAT CALIFORNIA HAS
OFFERED TO REDUCE ANNUALLY FROM
ITS COLORADO RIVER WATER
ALLOCATION. MAYBE 15 73 IS
REQUIREMENT TO TRANSITION TO
NATIVE PLANTS WILL PRODUCE REAL
WATER SAVINGS. A NINE YEAR CASE
STUDY BY THE CITY OF SANTA
MONICA DOCUMENTED THAT COMPARED
TO THE TRADITIONAL GARDEN, THE
NATIVE GARDEN USED 83% LESS
WATER. GENERATED 56% LESS GREEN
WASTE GENERAL AND REQUIRED 68%
LESS MAINTENANCE ONCE
ESTABLISHED MANY CALIFORNIA
NATIVE PLANTS. NEED MINIMAL
IRRIGATION BEYOND NORMAL
RAINFALL. BEYOND WATER
CONSERVATION, INCREASED USE OF
NATIVE PLANTS AND LANDSCAPING
SUPPORTS THE WHOLE WEB OF LIFE.
CALIFORNIA IS CLEARLY STATED
THAT ONE OF ITS GOALS IS TO
CONSERVE BIODIVERSITY, NATIVE
PLANT LANDSCAPING AND OUR PUBLIC
SPACES. ALSO BRINGS PEOPLE
EVERYWHERE CLOSER TO
CALIFORNIA'S NATURE, PUTTING OUR
COMMERCIAL AND GOVERNMENT
LANDSCAPES TO WORK ON BEHALF. OF
BOTH BIODIVERSITY AND CLOSING
THE NATURE GAP. 2018 STUDIES
SHOWED THAT YARDS WITH AT LEAST
70% NATIVE PLANTS PROVIDED BIRDS
WITH ENOUGH FOOD NOT JUST TO
SUSTAIN BUT TO GROW THEIR
POPULATIONS. AND THE 2023 STUDY
, JUST OUT FROM THE LOS ANGELES
AREA SHOWED THAT INCREASED
NATIVE LANDSCAPING SUPPORTED
GREATER NUMBERS OF FORAGING
BIRDS. MAYBE 15 73 WILL ALSO
PROMOTE ENERGY SAVINGS. UM WATER
IS AN ENERGY INTENSIVE TO MAKE
AND MOVE AND WATER SAVINGS
DURING THE LAST DROUGHT, WHERE
THE MOST EFFECTIVE ENERGY
CONSERVATION MEASURE THAT
CALIFORNIA PUT INTO PLACE DURING
THAT TIME. 2021 SURVEY BY THE
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, DAVIS
SHOWED 99% STRONG SUPPORT FOR
PUBLIC LANDSCAPING WITH NATIVE
PLANTS. CONTRARY TO CONCERNS
THAT THIS BILL WOULD LIMITED
LANDSCAPERS PLANT PALETTE.
NATIVE PLANTS OFFER ROBUST SUITE
OF OPTIONS. OUR DATA SHOWS THAT
THERE ARE AROUND 800 TYPES OF
NATIVE CALIFORNIA PLANTS THAT
ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE THAT
REQUIRED LITTLE TO NO ADDITIONAL
WATER. SOMETIMES IMPORTANT
CHANGE TAKES MORE THAN
ENCOURAGEMENT. MAYBE 15 73 IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ASK MORE OF OUR
LANDSCAPES, REIMAGINING THEIR
POTENTIAL TO SUPPORT LIFE MADE
IT AN EXTINCTION CRISIS.
REQUIREMENTS FOR LOW WATER USE
NATIVE PLANTS CREATES A STEADY
DEMAND. THAT THAT GIVE GROWERS
NECESSARY CONFIDENCE TO EXPAND
INTO THESE NEW AREAS. AND PUBLIC
LANDSCAPING WITH NATIVE PLANTS
PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR INSECTS AND
BIRDS AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
PEOPLE TO ENCOUNTER NATIVE
LANDSCAPING AS THE NORM INSTEAD
OF THE EXCEPTION. FOR THESE
REASONS WE URGE AND I VOTE ON A
B 15 73 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
TODAY AND HAPPY NATIVE PLANT
WEEK. THANK YOU. HOW APPROPRIATE
UM, IS ANYONE TO HAVE ANY
PRINCIPLE, WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? THAT I SPEND NEW
OPPOSITION ON THIS ONE. WHAT'S
WRONG? MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE LOUIS BROWN HERE
TODAY ON BEHALF OF PLANT
CALIFORNIA ALLIANCE APOLOGIZE
FOR OUR LATE SUBMISSION OF OUR
LETTER. WE HAVE BEEN IN
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SPONSORS
OF THE BILL, AS WELL AS THE
AUTHOR, UM WE DON'T AGREE. WE
DON'T DISAGREE ON THE GOALS. UM
AND IN FACT, WE DO HAVE A MODEL
WATER WATER ORDINANCE IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. UM AND WHAT
HAPPENS WITH THAT IS A
LANDSCAPER GOES AND WHEN THEY
HAVE A PROJECT THERE, ACTUALLY
GIVEN A WATER BUDGET, AND THEN
THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO UTILIZE
AND PLANT WITHIN THAT BUDGET AND
AS LONG AS THEY MEET THOSE
REQUIREMENTS THAT IS A
REGULATORY PROCESS, AND WHAT WE
THINK IS BEST IS IF WE'RE GOING
TO START TO GET INTO CERTAIN
MANDATES, UM 75% CERTAIN WOLF
CALLS OF SCORING THAT WHAT THE
BILL SHOULD DO IS BRING TOGETHER
OR REQUIRE THE DEPARTMENT OF
WATER RESOURCES LIKE THEY DID IN
THE PAST TO BRING TOGETHER A
GROUP OF EXPERTS TO ACTUALLY
LOOK AT THE MODEL WATER
ORDINANCE. LOOK AT ALL THE
ELEMENTS OF IT AND SEE WHAT
RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE MADE
TO IMPROVE THAT. IN DOING SO
THEY CAN TALK ABOUT WATER
EFFICIENCY AND CONSERVATION.
THEY CAN TALK ABOUT NATIVE
PLANTS. NOT ALL NATIVE PLANTS
ARE WATER CONSERVING PLANTS BY
THE WAY, AND THEY CAN TALK ABOUT
BY BIODIVERSITY ISSUES. SO WE
LIKE TO GET TO THE SAME GOAL
THAT THE BILL GETS, TOO. BUT
WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS SEE THAT A
COLLECTION OF EXPERTS AT
ACTUALLY COME TO COME TOGETHER
THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER
RESOURCES NATURAL RESOURCES
AGENCY, THE DEPARTMENT OF FOOD
AND AGRICULTURE, BRING
LANDSCAPERS BRING NATIVE PLANT
EXPERTS BRING THEM ALL TO THE
TABLE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE
RULES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE
DETERMINE WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS
TO THOSE RULES SHOULD BE MADE
AND THEN ADOPT THOSE REGULATIONS
. ACCORDINGLY. WE THINK IF YOU
DO SO AND WE HAVE A BETTER
OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY ACHIEVE
BIODIVERSITY. WATER CONSERVATION
AND THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THIS
GOAL THEN RATHER THAN
SPECIFICALLY, JUST THE
LEGISLATURE PICKING TARGETS AND
THEN MOVING FORWARD, SO WE LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
AUTHOR AND THE SPONSOR TO
ACHIEVE THIS, BUT WE'LL ASK FOR
A NO VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANYONE HERE IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL? ALEX LEBRON
BEHALF OF DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE
, ENDANGERED HABITATS LEAGUE
MARENGO BASIN CONSERVATION
ASSOCIATION. BROADER ARGUMENT.
CIA CALIFORNIA BOTANIC GARDEN
ENVIRONMENTAL WATER CAUCUS AND
THE CLIMATE REALITY PROJECT IN
LOS ANGELES. ALL IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ERIN
WILLEY ON BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB,
CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. SO SAYING ON BEHALF OF
NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU
ANY OPPOSITION TO HAD ON IN THE
ROOM? JULIE HALL WITH THE
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA WATER
AGENCIES. I WANT TO APOLOGIZE.
WE RELATE GETTING OUR LETTER IN.
DO LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
THE AUTHOR. WE ARE SUGGESTING
SOME SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS. SO
THANK YOU. AH THE PHONE LINES,
PLEASE. ANY SUPPORTER OPPOSITION
ON THE PHONE LINES? PLEASE PRESS
ONE AND ZERO IF YOU WISH TO
SPEAK OKAY. WE HAVE ONE PERSON.
PARDON ME. WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE
HAVE SIGNALED THEY WISH TO
SPEAK. WE'RE GOING TO START
FIRST WITH LINE 1 69. GOOD
EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
OF TRICIA GUARANTEE HER WITH
AGRICULTURAL COUNCIL OF
CALIFORNIA APOLOGIZE TO THE
AUTHOR FOR LATE POSITION, BUT WE
ARE OPPOSING THIS AMENDED ON 80
15 73 WERE QUOTED TWO
CONVERSATIONS THANK YOU. JUST
ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. WE'RE NOW
GOING TO GO TO LINE 1 54. 1 54
YEAR LINE IS NOW OPEN. HELLO
THIS IS ALEX SIMONS. ALSO FROM
PLANT CALIFORNIA ALLIANCE. I
JUST WANTED TO ADD ON AN
ADDITIONAL CONCERN. UM WE'RE
JUST DOING NAME POSITION AND
ORGANIZATION RIGHT NOW. OH I
APOLOGIZE OUT SIMMONS PLANT,
CALIFORNIA ALLIANCE ASSOCIATE
DIRECTOR. THANK YOU. OPPOSING
THANK YOU. WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE. I THINK WE'VE
WORN THEM OUT MOTION FOR MR
RENDA. SECOND FROM MR CHOLERA. I
WILL SAY ON BEHALF OF THE
COMMITTEE. WE REALLY DO
APPRECIATE TIMELY LETTERS OF
OPPOSITION SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW
THEM AND TAKE THE THOUGHTS INTO
CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORT BOTH.
UM WHEN THEY COME IN LATE, IT
DOES NOT HELP TO US. IT IS ALSO
NOT HELPFUL. THE AUTHOR WHO I
KNOW IS DOING HER BEST TO MAKE
THE BILL. THE BEST POSSIBLE,
BILL. UM, AND WITH THAT WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? WE'RE HAPPY
TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ANYBODY
WHO HAS CONCERNS. I QUITE
HONESTLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE
OPPOSITION. BESIDES PUTTING
TOGETHER STAKEHOLDERS WE KNOW WE
NEED DATA PLANTS. WE KNOW THAT
THAT LEADS TO BIODIVERSITY. I
DON'T KNOW WHAT A GROUP OF
STAKEHOLDERS WOULD ADD TO THAT,
BUT WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO HEAR
ANY SPECIFIC CONCERNS. THANK
YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A
SECOND. THE MOTION IS TO PASS
THE APPROPRIATIONS. MADAM
SECRETARY MAYBE 15 73 BOW
BAUER-KAHAN. I CAN I. MATHIS
MATHIS, NÓI COLONIES FELONIES?
NO, BENNETT. THEN IT I DALI DALI
. NO DAVIES DAVIES. NO FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN, I HEART HEART I
CHOLERA. CHOLERA. I PELLERIN
HILLARY, I RUBIO BROUGH. VÚI
VILLE VALLAPUDUA. GOODBYE, WARD.
WHOEVER WHOEVER I THANK YOU.
NINE VOTES FOR THE NATIVE
PLANTS. THAT BILL IS OUT. WE
WILL NOW GO THROUGH THE BILLS TO
ADD ON VOTES. SO STICK AROUND SO
WE CAN CALL THE BILLS. MADAM
SECRETARY. OKAY THE CONSENT
CALENDAR WAS 15 0, AND THAT IS
OUT THE CONSENT CALENDAR PASSES.
UM BILL NUMBER 1 84 60 IS 9924
SO THAT BILL IS OUT. MOVING TO
NUMBER TWO A B 13 37 WEEKS. OKAY
UM, MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO JUDICIARY BARRICADE
HAN. I'M CAN I. DAVIES DAVIES,
NO CHOLERA. KALRA I WEBBER
WEBBER. AYE. THAT BILL HAS NINE
VOTES. IT IS OUT. GONNA CALL
FAILS. OKAY 62 PASSES AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. SORRY A V 60 TO
DO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS BENNETT BENNETT,
I, FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I BROUGH.
I WILL VALLAPUDUA WHAT I TOWARD
AND WEBER. HOWEVER, I. THAT ONE
IS OUT 14 0. AND THEN A B 4 11
BENNETT DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN, I SHIAVO BROUGH. I
FILL VALLAPUDUA PHILIP FOOD.
WHAT I WARD AND WEBER. WEBER.
AYE. NO ONE IS OUT 14 TO 0. OKAY
MAYBE 8 30 SORIA DO PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
BENNETT. BENNETT I, FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN I SHIAVO I VILLA
VALLAPUDUA VALLAPUDUA I WARD AND
WEBER. WHOEVER I. THAT ONE IS
OUT 14 TO 0. UM MAYBE 833
THREE OF US DO PASS AS AMENDED
TO APPROPRIATIONS ELONIS.
ELONIS? AYE, BENNETT. JUST READ
THIS 33. 8 37 A B 833
THREE OF US. OKAY BENNETT, I
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN I SHIAVO. VÚI
PHILIP VALLAPUDUA FOOD WHILE I
TOWARD AND WEBER. WHOEVER I K¾T
.
AND THAT ONE IS OUT 14 TO 0.
OKAY MAYBE 859 GALLAGHER MOTION
IS DUE PAST TWO APPROPRIATIONS
ELONIS. AYE, BENNETT. BENNETT
NOT VOTING. FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, I
BROUGH. I WILL VALLAPUDUA FOOD.
WHAT I TOWARD AND WEBER WHETHER
OR NOT VOTING, OKAY. THAT ONE IS
12 TO 0 THAT IS OUT. UM A B 8 96
WE ARE. CURRY MOTION IS DUE PAST
TWO APPROPRIATIONS. ELONIS I,
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, I BROUGH. YOU
HAVE. OH, I VILL VALLAPUDUA I
WARD AND WEBER. HOWEVER, I. THAT
ONE IS OUT 14 TO 0. OH, YEAH,
SURE. YOU'RE HERE I HAVE YOU.
OKAY MAYBE 900 BENNETT MOTION IS
DUE PAST TWO APPROPRIATIONS.
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, PELLERIN
PELLERIN. BROUGH. I FILL
VALLAPUDUA I AWARD. AND WEBER.
WHOEVER I. THAT ONE IS OUT 14 TO
0. OKAY A B 14 OH, SEVEN. ATIS
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS COLONIES,
COLONIES. I BENNETT. BENNETT
I'VE FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN I SHIAVO
VÚI VILLE VALLAPUDUA WHAT I WORE
WHOEVER WHOEVER I. ABOUT 14 TO
0. UM MAYBE 15 67 GARCIA. MOTION
IS DUE PAST TO NATURAL
RESOURCES. BENNETT BENNETT I
DALI DALI NOTE. FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN, I BROUGH. SZABO I VILL
VALLAPUDUA I WARD AND WEBER.
WEBER. AYE. IT WAS ATTENDED TO
THAT IS OUT. DO YOU THINK WE
ARE? AND COLORADO AND WE HAVE,
UM MAYBE 15 81 KALRA DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN, I PELLERIN. VALLAPUDUA
PHILIP, YOU'D WHAT I AWARD AND
WEBBER. HOWEVER, I. OKAY THAT
WAS 14 14 TO 0. WE ARE, AND THIS
HEARING IS FINALLY ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU. OH NO, THANK YOU,
MADAM. SIR I MEAN LONGER THAN
THE INDECISION FOR HIS. THAT'S
TRUE. BLIND. THAT WAS A IT'S THE
LONGEST DAY YET. OKAY? WE'RE
GOOD. THERE YOU GO. DEFINITELY
ACTIONS. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
BIOLOGY. GOOD NIGHT, SIR. OKAY,
THANKS, GUYS. THANK YOU.