GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO THE
ASSEMBLY NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMITTEE HEARING. PLEASE NOTE
THE FOLLOWING AGENDA CHANGES A
B. 914 FRIEDMAN HAS BEEN ADDED
TO THE AGENDA FOR TODAY. A B 15
54 BY JOE PATTERSON HAS BEEN
PULLED BY THE COMMITTEE. A B 15
91 WALLACE HAS BEEN PULLED BY
THE AUTHOR. WE HAVE 20 MEASURES
REMAINING ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
THE FOLLOWING FOR MEASURES ARE
PROPOSED FOR CONSENT. ITEM TWO,
MAYBE THREE BY SPUR. ITEM EIGHT.
MAYBE 8 41 BERMAN. ITEM 14.
MAYBE 15 26 BY THE NATURAL
RESOURCES COMMITTEE. AND ITEM 20
A B 17 11 BY JUAN CARILLO. I
BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. SO,
SECRETARY, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL
REVERSE. HERE RIVAS HERE, FLORA
FLORA HERE AT THIS AT HIS HERE,
FRIEDMAN. HOOVER. MATHIS IS
HERE. MURATSUCHI SOUCI HERE.
PELLERIN PELLERIN HERE, WARD.
WOULD WOULD HEAR SPUR. HERE
HERE. OKAY, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
UM, THE BILLS. TODAY ARE IN, UM
BEING HEARD AND SIGN IN ORDER.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY AUTHORS IN
THE ROOM, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU
SIGN IN WITH THE SERGEANT'S, UM,
FIRST UP IS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. OH
YES, THANK YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WOULD FOR REMINDING ME. UH WE
HAVE EMOTION AND THE SECOND FOR
THE CONSENT. CALENDAR SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. REVERSE I
FLORA FLORA. I ADDIS ADDIS, I
FRIEDMAN HOOVER. MATHIS MATHIS.
SUKI SUKI, I, PELLERIN PELLERIN.
I WARD WOULD WOULD ICEBERG. VÚI
. THE CONSENT CALENDAR HAS
EIGHT. UM WE'LL LEAVE IT OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. OKAY SO
WE'LL START WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TING ITEM. 19 A
B 16 33. THANK YOU, MADAM. CHAIR
FIRST. LET ME JUST THANK YOU AS
WELL AS YOUR COMMITTEE STAFF. I
KNOW WE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS
ON THIS LEGISLATION DATING BACK
TO LAST YEAR TO CONTINUATION OF
A BILL THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE HAD
LAST YEAR. UH THIS BILL A B 16
33 BUILDS ON MY A B 26 56, WHICH
STRENGTHENS THE HOUSING
ACCOUNTABILITY ACT TO ENSURE
THAT WE'VE DONE. AN
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW DOES NOT
STALL THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING
AND KEY GEOGRAPHIC AREAS. AS YOU
ALL KNOW, HOUSING IS A MAJOR
CRISIS IN OUR STATE, AND THIS
ISSUE CAME TO CAME TO LIGHT IN
VERY STARK EXAMPLE OF MY CITY
AROUND THE PROPERTY AT 4 69
STEVENSON STREET, WHICH IS USED
AS A VALET PARKING FOR THE
NEARBY NORDSTROM'S DEPARTMENT
STORE. UNFORTUNATELY UH, THIS
PROBLEM THIS PROJECT WAS HELD IN
HOUSING PURGATORY FOR A NUMBER
OF MONTHS BY OUR COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS, AND THEIR CLEARANCE
WAS PULLED EVEN AFTER THEIR
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT WAS
CERTIFIED BY THE PLANNING
DEPARTMENT. UM RIGHT NOW. THIS
BILL WOULD CREATE A REMEDY. FOR
CRITICAL PROJECTS THAT ARE
UNFAIRLY DENIED APPROVAL AND
ENSURE THAT THEY ARE NOT HELD IN
UNLESS CYCLE OF BASELESS
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. WE ALSO
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS
A SET TIME FRAME. WE LENGTHEN
THE TIME FRAME THANKS TO THE
RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR COMMITTEE
STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS ALSO HAD ENOUGH TIME
TO FULLY REVIEW INTO ADDRESS ALL
THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AS
WELL. REALLY APPRECIATE ALSO THE
COLLABORATION THAT WE HAVE WITH
OPPOSITION. I REALLY DO FEEL
LIKE WE WANT TO ACHIEVE THE SAME
THINGS. WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE
YET IN TERMS OF THE LANGUAGE OF
THE LEGISLATION, BUT WE
OBVIOUSLY CONTINUE TO KEEP
TALKING TO THEM AND KEEP WORKING
WITH THEM WITH THAT. I HAVE
MICHAEL LING THANK YOU, MICHAEL
LANE AND LOUIS MARANTO. MADAM,
SHE REMEMBERS. MY CLAIM WAS SPUR
OF PUBLIC POLICY THINK TANK IN
THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA
REALLY WANT TO TAKE A VERY
TARGETED AND MODEST APPROACH
WITH THIS BILL? WE WANT TO
RESPECT THE SECRET STATUES AND
THOSE TIMELINES THAT EXIST AND
THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW
PROCESS. IT'S JUST THAT ONCE
THAT HAS BEEN DONE, AND WE HAVE
A LEGALLY SUFFICIENT DOCUMENT
THAT COULD BE ADOPTED BY THE
GOVERNING BODY, THAT THERE IS A
CALL FOR ADDITIONAL STUDY THAT
THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN
THE RECORD THAT DEMONSTRATES
THAT NEED SO THAT WE HAVE
CLARITY ABOUT THAT AND
TRANSPARENCY THROUGHOUT THAT
PROCESS, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT
WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY, AND WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I VOTE.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LUIS MIRANDA
AND VICE PRESIDENT OF PUBLIC
POLICY FOR THE BARRIER COUNCIL,
WHICH REPRESENTS ABOUT 330 OF
THE BAY AREA'S LARGEST EMPLOYERS
. HOUSING IS, AS YOU KNOW, AN
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO
THE BAY AREA AND ACROSS THE
STATE. I THINK MY COLLEAGUE AND
MR TING HAVE HAVE DONE THIS BILL
JUSTICE, THOUGH, SO I'LL ANSWER
ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. YOUR
YOUR COMMITTEE HAS THANKS. THANK
YOU. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. CHAIR
MEMBERS MICHAEL GUNNING ON HERE
WITH LIGHTHOUSE PUBLIC AFFAIRS
ON BEHALF OF HABITAT FOR
HUMANITY AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NEXT. ARE THERE WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. OKAY? THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE, JEREMY SMITH, HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL. I'D
LIKE TO FIRST START WERE IN
OPPOSITION, LIKE THE FIRST START
THINKING YOUR STAFF HERE ON THE
COMMITTEE AS WELL AS AS A MEMBER
KING AND THE SPONSORS AND LINDA
FROM A CERTAIN THIRTEEN'S
OFFICE. WE HAVE HAD COUNTLESS
CONVERSATIONS ON THIS BILL.
WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. UM
AND MAYBE WE'LL GET SOMEWHERE
AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA KEEP
TALKING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM WHILE WE APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS, THE BILL
WHICH TO ADDRESS A FEW OF US
TECHNICAL PROBLEMS, UM WE DON'T
BELIEVE THE AMENDMENTS RESOLVE
THE BILLS. FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS,
WHICH UM APPEAR TO GIVE
DEVELOPERS GREATER RIGHTS THAN
THE REST OF THE PUBLIC, UM AND
CREATES MAJOR MAJOR
INCONSISTENCIES WITH SEQUELS,
ENVIRONMENTAL AND PUBLIC HEALTH
REQUIREMENTS. THE BILL USES THE
HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT AS A
WEAPON TO LET PRIVATE DEVELOPERS
FINAL LAWSUIT IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE PROJECT APPROVAL PROCESS IF
THEY DISAGREE WITH THE AGENCY'S
DECISIONS TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL
REVIEW OR PUBLIC HEALTH STUDIES.
THE BILL LETS DEVELOPERS
ESSENTIALLY JUMP AHEAD THE LEGAL
PROCESS THAT THE REST OF THE
PUBLIC MUST FOLLOW BEFORE
FOLLOWING A LAND USED LAWSUIT.
THIS IS BEFORE THE
ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES ARE
EXHAUSTED, AS POINTED OUT IN THE
ANALYSIS AS WELL. WE BELIEVE THE
BILLS BENEFITS ARE QUESTIONABLE
AT BEST, THE SPONSORS OF
PRESENTED VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE
THAT FINALLY MORE LAWSUITS OVER
HOUSING PROJECTS WILL SPEED UP
HOUSING PRODUCTION. LET ME SAY
THAT AGAIN. THIS IS GOING TO
ALLOW MORE LAWSUITS. SOMETHING
THAT MANY OF YOU ON THIS DIET
HAVE SAID IS A PROBLEM. UM MORE
LAWSUITS IN THE SEQUEL PROCESS.
UM IT'S LIKELY TO DO THE
OPPOSITE, AS I MENTIONED BECAUSE
THE BILL BECAUSE HOUSING
PROJECTS TO GET TIED UP IN COURT
BEFORE THEY ARE EVEN APPROVED.
FINALLY THE BILL INTERVIEWS
INTER INTERFERE INTERFERES WITH
SEQUELS, REQUIREMENTS TO ANALYZE
THE MITIGATE PROJECTS,
ENVIRONMENTAL AND PUBLIC HEALTH
IMPACTS BEFORE THEY ARE APPROVED
. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE
AMENDMENTS THAT ARE DISCUSSED
TODAY WHEN THEY'RE IN PRINT. UM
BUT WE JUST BELIEVE THE BILL MAY
THEREFORE RESULT IN THE HASTY
APPROVAL. OF NEW LARGE SCALE
HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT PUT
PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY BECAUSE THE
IMPACTS HAVE BEEN MITIGATED NOT
ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL LIVE THERE,
BUT THE WORKERS THAT WE
DISABLING TRADE REPRESENT. FOR
THOSE REASONS. WE DO URGE A NO
VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION? GOOD AFTERNOON.
CHRISTINA'S CURRENT WITH THE
CENTER FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY
. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE
AMENDMENTS, BUT WE REMAIN IN
OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME. THANK
YOU. NEXT I'LL BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BURKE HI. IT'S
NICE TO SEE YOU TODAY. OBVIOUSLY
I THINK THE GOALS OF THE BILL
ARE GOOD ONES. AND UM, I THINK
SOME OF THE YOU KNOW, I JUST
HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT
HOW PRACTICALLY THIS IS GOING TO
WORK. ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ACT
HAVING PRACTICE IN THIS AREA FOR
A PERIOD OF TIME. UM, YOU KNOW,
I UM. I JUST IT'S HARD FOR ME TO
UNDERSTAND. HOW UM, HOW YOU'RE
GONNA RECONCILE. THESE LAWSUITS
UNDER THE H A. H A. AND THE
SECRET PROCESS. UM AND HOW, UM
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE ACTUALLY
GIVING LITIGANTS THE ABILITY TO
SUBSTITUTE THEIR JUDGMENT FOR
THAT OF A LOCAL AGENCY. UM, I
KNOW THAT THIS IS GEARED TOWARDS
AGENCIES THAT ARE, UM NOT
TAKING. STEPS IN GOOD FAITH
UNDER SEQUA, BUT IT ALSO SEEMS
LIKE IT PICKS UP TONS OF CASES
WHERE, UM, AN AGENCY MAY JUST
DECIDE THEY NEED MORE
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW ON THEY
HAVE TO DO MORE STUDIES AND AT
SOME POINT, ANY PLACE IN THE
PROCESS SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE CAN
COME IN AND FORCE. A DECISION BY
FILING A LAWSUIT THAT TOTALLY
UNDERMINES THE SECRET PROCESS.
SO I JUST WONDERING IF YOU CAN
SORT OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
HOW YOU ENVISION THIS HAPPENING
AND HOW YOU CAN PREVENT HOW THIS
BILL PREVENTS. I THINK SORT OF
UNDERMINING SEQUA FOR THOSE
JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE USING IT
IN APPROPRIATE WAYS, WHICH I
THINK MOST JURISDICTIONS DO I TO
ME. IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN SAN FRANCISCO IS A
BIT OF AN OUTLIER SO IT WOULDN'T
BE UNUSUAL THAT WE WOULD BE
OUTLIERS, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY
RIGHT, SO I WOULD SAY, JUST
DON'T JUST ABROAD BUSINESS AND
I'LL TURN OVER TO MICHAEL. UM
THE IDEA IS REALLY IN THE BILL
TO ALSO ASKED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
THAT IF THEY ARE ASKING FOR MORE
TIME OR HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT
PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY
START TO ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE
MORE SPECIFIC. TELL THE
DEVELOPER WHAT THEY WANT TO
DRESS UNTIL THEY WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT'S ACTUALLY TIED TO
SECRET THAT IT'S NOT SOME SORT
OF ANCILLARY ISSUE OF THAT'S NOT
SOME SORT OF POLITICAL ISSUES. I
THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ALSO
TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
GETTING OUT. I'LL LET MICHAEL
TALK ABOUT THE VERY SMALL, SO
WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON ABUSE OF
DISCRETION. AND TO YOUR POINT
THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE OUTLIERS
DEVELOPERS ARE NOT RACING TO GO
TO COURT AND SUE JURISDICTIONS
WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD
HOUSING. AND SO WE JUST WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THERE IF
THERE IS NOT EVIDENCE IN THE
RECORD THAT DEMONSTRATES A NEED
FOR ADDITIONAL STUDY, THEN WE
HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO NOTICE
AND THE WORK THAT OUT BEFORE WE
EVEN END UP IN COURT, AND THAT'S
IMPORTANT WHY THAT NOTICING
REQUIREMENT IS IN THERE AS WELL.
AND IT HAS TO BE THE PROJECT
APPLICANT AND NOT A THIRD PARTY
TO TRY TO WORK OUT THOSE
DIFFERENCES. BUT WE MAINTAIN THE
FRAMEWORK OF DEFERENCE TO THE
LEAD AGENCY IN THE LOCAL
JURISDICTION, WHICH IS ALREADY
IN THE SEQUENCE STATUE AND WE
CONTINUE THAT PROCESS. IT'S JUST
THAT IT'S A DILATORY TACTIC TO
JUST CONTINUE TO STUDY WITHOUT
EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD
DEMONSTRATING THAT NEED THEN YOU
COULD CALL CALL THE QUESTION,
BUT THAT'S AFTER THIS SEQUENCE.
STATUTE. TIMELINES HAVE EXPIRED,
AND IF YOU HAVE A LEGALLY
SUFFICIENT DOCUMENT THAT
OTHERWISE COULD BE ADOPTED. BUT
WHO THEN DETERMINES WHETHER IT'S
ILLEGALLY SUFFICIENT DOCUMENT.
IT MEANS LIKE YOU'RE
TRANSFERRING THAT AUTHORITY FROM
THE LOCAL JURISDICTION TO THE
DEVELOPER, AREN'T YOU? WELL
THERE AGAIN IF IT'S EVEN A CLOSE
CALL DEVELOPERS NOT GOING TO
RACE THE COURT TO TWITTER HAS
SAW THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT
THE COURT WOULD LIKELY BE
REMANDED TO THE LEAD AGENCY FOR
ADDITIONAL STUDY. IT'S REALLY IN
THOSE MOST EGREGIOUS CASES WHERE
WE DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE FOR
EXAMPLE. STUDIES THAT AREN'T
EVEN REQUIRED UNDER THE SEQUEL
STATUTE MIGHT BE MIGHT BE CALLED
FOR BY BY THE GOVERNING BODY WHO
WANTS TO DELAY A DECISION AND
NOT RUN AFOUL OF THE HOUSING
ACCOUNTABILITY ACT BY AVOIDING
THAT DECISION THROUGH MORE
ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, BUT WHAT I
MEAN, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE
SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE GOT A
CITY THAT HAS, YOU KNOW AS PART
OF THE SECRET PROCESS. UM
THEY'VE GOT THE PUBLIC
IDENTIFYING POTENTIALLY
SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE
ENVIRONMENT. THIS THE
JURISDICTION DECIDES IT WANTS TO
DO MORE STUDIES. IT'S LEGITIMATE
AND AT SOME POINT, THEN THE
DEVELOPER BASICALLY SAYS, I'M
CALLING THE QUESTION AND THEY
BRING A LAWSUIT. THE LAWSUIT IS
NOW UNDER THE STANDARDS IN THIS
BILL. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT. IT'S
SORT OF UNDERMINES THE SEQUENCE
STANDARDS. AND THAT'S THE
CONCERN. I HAVE ABOUT THIS ABOUT
HOW THE H A, A AND SEQUA HOW YOU
PRESERVE THE ROBUST PROTECTIONS
THAT SEQUA HAS, UM AND I DON'T
YOU KNOW, AND I CAN ENVISION
CASES WHERE YOU HAVE, BECAUSE,
REMEMBER, EVEN THOUGH THE LEAD
AGENCY PREPARES MOST SECRET
DOCUMENTS, ESSENTIALLY IT IS
ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPER WHO CAN
CONTRACTS WITH A CONSULTANT TO
PREPARE SECRET DOCUMENT AND THAT
COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S A VERY
THIN DOCUMENT. AND AT SOME POINT
ON ITS FACE, SOMEONE CAN SAY
OKAY, I'VE GOT A DOCUMENT THAT
HAS AN AIR QUALITY SECTION AND
IT HAS A TRAFFIC SECTION. IT HAS
ALL OF THIS SO ON ITS FACE. IT
LOOKS LIKE IT'S OKAY. UM AND THE
PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY
. LOOK AT IT AND SAY YOU HAVEN'T
STUDIED ALL OF THESE IMPACTS.
IT'S A THIN PROCESS. THEY
DECIDED THAT THEY AREN'T GOING
TO APPROVE IT. AND THEN A
LAWSUIT IS BROUGHT WHEN YOU
ACTUALLY IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A
WAY THAT YOU CAN GET AROUND. THE
PROTECTIONS OF SEQUENCE, SO
THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD
RESPOND TO THAT, BUT I'M NERVOUS
ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT
THE YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THE
STANDARDS IN THE BILL, IT
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANY
PROTECTIONS THAT RECONCILE
MAINTAINING THE STRENGTH OF
SEQUA. COOL OUR INTENT WAS BY
USING THAT EVIDENTIARY STANDARD
OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT
THAT THAT WOULD GET AT THAT
QUESTION THAT IF THERE IS IF THE
AGENCY IS ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE
THAT THERE TRULY IS A NEED FOR
ADDITIONAL STUDY THAT THAT COULD
HAPPEN WITH THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE
IN THE BILL. OKAY I MEAN, I
WASN'T. I MEAN, I'LL LOOK AT IT
MORE CAREFULLY, BUT I I'M
NERVOUS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE
TIGHTENED UP PRETTY
SIGNIFICANTLY TO ME. IT FEELS
LIKE IT'S UM IT'S ADVANCING A
VERY APPROPRIATE GOAL, WHICH IS
WHERE YOU'VE GOT JURISDICTIONS
THAT ARE NOT BASING THEIR
DECISIONS BASED ON SEQUA AND THE
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND JUST
REFUSING Tð YOU KNOW? TO DO
SOMETHING, BUT THEY ALSO ARE,
YOU KNOW, THEY ALSO ARE ELECTED
OFFICIALS. OBVIOUSLY HER
RESPONDING TO THE PUBLIC, UM AND
THE COMMUNITY, AND SO IT SEEMS
HARD TO ME. TO SORT OF WHERE
YOU'RE DRAWING LINES BETWEEN
WHAT IS A LEGITIMATE SET OF
CONCERNS AND WHAT IS A ABUSE OF
DISCRETION. SO HE DIDN'T BUT
APPRECIATE AGAIN. ANY ANY
THOUGHTS YOU HAVE A FURTHER
TIGHTENING WILL HELP. TOTALLY
HAPPY TO BUT AGAIN, UM THIS IS
AN ISSUE ACROSS THE BOARD AND
ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES. WHAT
WE'RE SEEING IS THAT LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS, LOCAL CITY
COUNCILS, LOCAL PLANNING
COMMISSIONS THEY ARE STRUGGLING
TO APPROVE ENOUGH UNITS OF
HOUSING SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE
BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE
COMMUNITY. AND IN GENERAL, THE
PEOPLE WHO WANT HOUSING DON'T
LIVE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. THEY
LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO
HOUSING OUR CONSTITUENTS. OUR
VOTERS ARE NEIGHBORS. AND SO
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THEY
ARE BEING COMPLETELY RESPONSIVE
TO THOSE NEIGHBORS WHO SAY NO
HOUSING, NOT IN MY BACKYARD AND
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO
YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT. THE ELECTED
OFFICIALS ARE MERELY DOING THEIR
JOB TO LISTEN TO THEIR
CONSTITUENTS. BUT WE'RE ALSO
DOING OUR JOB IF WE DON'T BUILD
MORE HOUSING. WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE A GENERATION OF YOUNG
PEOPLE WHO ARE UNABLE TO AFFORD
TO LIVE IN CALIFORNIA. THEY'RE
GOING TO BE MOVING OUTSIDE OF
CALIFORNIA. THIS IS WHAT THE
STUDIES THIS IS WHAT ALL THE
POLLING ALL THE DATA IF YOU LOOK
AT WHAT PP I C S P I C. DOES ALL
THIS RESEARCH ON DATA? THAT'S
THE NUMBER ONE REASON WHY PEOPLE
ARE MOVING OUT. WE HAVE A
HOMELESSNESS CRISIS BECAUSE WE
HAVEN'T BUILDING AFFORDABLE,
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I MEAN, IF
HOUSING PRICES WERE AT AN ALL
TIME LOW, IF AFFORDABLE HOUSING
WAS PLENTIFUL. WE WOULD NOT NEED
THIS LEGISLATION PLUS SO MANY
OTHERS, BUT THE FACT THAT LOCAL
GOVERNMENT HAS COMPLETELY FAILED
US AS A STATE, UNFORTUNATELY,
HAS FORCED US TO GET MORE
INVOLVED. I WAS JUST SAYING LAST
THING AND I'M TAKING TOO MUCH
TIME. BUT I YOU KNOW, I UM AYE.
TO ME. I GET VERY WORRIED ABOUT
HAVING A SLA SUIT THAT COMES IN
UNDER A SEPARATE STATUTE, RATHER
THAN ACTUALLY DEALING WITH THIS
AS PART OF SEAQUEST REAM LINING
SECRET REFORM FOR KINDS OF
PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO BUILD.
AND I DO THINK THAT SEQUA DOES,
UM, AND UP SORT OF CAPTURING A
LOT MORE PROJECTS THAN IT NEEDS
TO THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE
SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. AND SO I
SHARE THAT GOAL. JUST I'M VERY
NERVOUS ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING
TO WORK AND HOW IT DOESN'T
UNDERMINE THE PROTECTIONS OF
SEQUEL WHICH ARE SORT OF BROADER
THAN IN THIS AREA, SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND, UH,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOOVER. THANK
YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD. I GREATLY APPRECIATE
WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE,
AND I THINK THERE'S AN ENTIRE
GENERATION THAT NEEDS HOUSING.
AND SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE I LOOK
FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THE BILL
TODAY. BUT ALSO IT WOULD BE
INTERESTING BEING ADDED AS A CO
AUTHOR, IF YOU'D HAVE ME. THANK
YOU HAPPY TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI THANK YOU, YOU KNOW.
I I'M LISTENING WITH GREAT
INTEREST TO MY COLLEAGUE FROM
SANTA MONICA. GIVEN THAT YOU
HAVE LITIGATED, UH, SEQUEL CASES
, AND YET I'M REFERRING BACK TO
LAST WEEK'S MEETING WHERE WE
JUST PASSED A CATEGORICAL SEQUEL
EXEMPTION FOR ALL AFFORDABLE
HOUSING PROJECTS FOR THE CITY OF
LOS ANGELES. AND YOU KNOW, I'M
JUST I CONTINUE TO WRESTLE. YOU
KNOW WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF
SEQUEL WHEN WE'RE JUST CARVING
IT UP LIKE SWISS CHEESE? UM YOU
KNOW, AND, UH, MR TING, I KNOW
THAT WHEN YOU WERE DESCRIBING
HOW LOCAL OFFICIALS RESPOND TO
THEIR CONSTITUENTS. I KNOW YOU
WERE THINKING ABOUT MY DISTRICT,
AND SO I'M JUST AND IF YOU CAN
HELP ME, AND I WAS THINKING
ABOUT EVERY DISTRICT IN THE
STATE, NOT NOT JUST YOURS. UM
I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, UH, WE
ARE EVERY. MEETING EVERY SESSION
. WE JUST SEEM TO BE GUARDING
SEQUA MORE AND MORE AND, UM AYE.
JUST CONCERNED ABOUT DIRECTION
WE'RE HEADED. THANK YOU AGAIN
THAT I MEAN THIS AH, THIS
COMMITTEE HAS CARED ABOUT SEQUA
FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. I THINK
THE COMMITTEE ASKED US TO TAKE
AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE
SURE THAT THIS DID NOT HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON SEQUA
AGAIN. THIS DOES NOT TOUCH THE
SEQUENCE STATUE AND HAPPY TO,
YOU KNOW, TALK TO OUR COLLEAGUE
FROM SANTA MONICA TO ADDRESS HIS
CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN HIS
LONG TIME PRACTICING IN
PARTICULAR AS A AS A
PRACTITIONER IN THIS AREA, BUT
AGAIN UM, I'LL JUST SAY WHAT I
SAY TO MY CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE I
HAVE A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS THAT
DON'T WANT TO BUILD HOUSING IN
MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WILL SAY
THEN WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS WE
SHOULD HAVE A STATE LAW BANNING
JOBS. WE SHOULD JUST BAN JOBS.
BECAUSE THEN NOBODY WILL COME TO
CALIFORNIA. BECAUSE THAT'S
EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE ARE
NOT ALLOWING COMPANIES TO CREATE
JOBS BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE FOR
THEIR EMPLOYEES TO LIVE. THAT'S
WHY THEY'RE ON THE STREET.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO
GET PAID A LIVING WAGE. LIVING
IN THEIR CARS. THAT'S THAT'S
WHERE WE'RE AT IN THIS STATE.
AND FOR ME, UM I KNOW THAT MY
CONSTITUENTS DON'T NECESSARILY
LOVE IT. BUT I THINK IT'S THE
RIGHT THING TO DO FOR OUR STATE.
I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO
DO FOR OUR ECONOMY, AND I KNOW
IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR
OUR KIDS. SO. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. OKAY MR T
. WILL YOU BE ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS? MAKE
SURE ABSOLUTELY. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? JUST USE THAT AS MY
CLOTHES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION. I NEED A
SECOND. WE HAVE MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATH IS SECOND
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FLORA.
SECRETARY PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS
RIVAS. I FLORA FLORA I ADDIS.
VOTING. FRIEDMAN. HOOVER. HI ER
I MATHIS MURATSUCHI BOATING.
PELLERIN. PELLERIN. I WARD. WORD
I WOULD WOULD I SPUR NOT VOTING.
THAT BILL HAS SEVEN VOTES WILL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. THANK YOU APPRECIATE
IT. THANK YOU. NEXT. WE HAVE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BENNETT A B 17
43. KISS 15 PICKS FIRST. YOU
HAVE TWO BILLS? THAT'S RIGHT.
YEAH I ASSUME YOU WANT TO START
WITH 17 43 BASED ON THE SIGN IN
SHEET. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, UM THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. RIGHT UM, MADAM CHAIR. I
WANT TO START BY ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS. LISTEN
TO THE ANALYSIS COMMEND
COMMITTEE STAFF. I KNOW THEY
WORKED WITH THE SPONSORS
RECENTLY TO TRY TO ADDRESS
RECENT CONCERNS. THE PORTS ARE
FACED WITH THE CHALLENGE OF
TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE PORTS,
AND IT'S A BIG ISSUE FOR LOTS OF
PEOPLE IN THE STATE, AND
PARTICULARLY THE COMMUNITIES,
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE
COMMUNITIES AROUND THE PORTS AND
THE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PART
OF MY DISTRICT WANTS TO
ELECTRIFY, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO
TAKE ACTION NOW TO TRY TO INVEST
IN EQUIPMENT THAT OVERALL WILL.
PRODUCE FEWER EMISSIONS THAN
WAITING UNTIL THE STANDARDS COME
IN, AND NEW EQUIPMENT COMES IN.
SO THIS BILL SETS A VERY HIGH
HIGH BAR, BUT IT SAYS THAT IF
THEY CAN PURCHASE EQUIPMENT THAT
SHOWS IT WILL DECREASE
ADMISSIONS TOTAL OVER BETWEEN
NOW AND 2037 THAT THEY WOULD BE
GUARANTEED THEY COULD KEEP THE
EQUIPMENT TILL 2037 NOT HAVE A
STRANDED ASSET. UM, AND WITH
THAT, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT
THE SPONSORS HAVE, UM MIKE JACOB
HERE FROM THE PACIFIC MERCHANT
SHIPPING ASSOCIATION. WHO THE
SPONSORS OF THE BILL TO TESTIFY
IN FAVOR OF IT. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
. MIKE JACOB, WITH PMS SAY WE
REPRESENT OCEAN CARES MARINE
TERMINAL OPERATORS AND, UM OTHER
FOLKS DOING BUSINESS IN
CALIFORNIA SEA PORTS AND WE
APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION
TODAY, MR BENNETT'S BILL, AS HE
SAID, WE ARE IN A TRANSITION
PERIOD. ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT IS
REGULATED NOW, UM TO A BEST
AVAILABLE CONTROL TECHNOLOGY
STANDARD BY THE CALIFORNIA
RESOURCES BOARD. BUT WE KNOW
FROM THE SCOPING PLAN UPDATE
THERE WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR THAT
WILL BE TRANSITIONING TO ZERO
EMISSIONS TECHNOLOGIES BETWEEN
NOW AND 2037. IN THE MEANTIME.
WE HAVE THE QUESTION FACING US
OF WHETHER OR NOT WE EXIST IN
TRANSITIONAL TECHNOLOGIES
HYBRIDIZATION USES OF
ALTERNATIVE FUELS. UM AND THOSE
QUESTIONS ARE HIGHLY CAPITAL
INTENSIVE. UM SO WITHOUT AS SOME
OF THE NUMBER, BENNETT STATED
WITHOUT SOME CERTAINTY, WITH
RESPECT TO HOW THAT WORKS. UM WE
ARE ASKING THEIR RESOURCES BOARD
TO PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM THAT
WOULD CERTIFY THE EQUIPMENT. AS
PROVIDING LOWER EMISSIONS THAN
JUST WAITING AND DOING NOTHING
FOLLOWING JUST THE BEST
AVAILABLE CONTROL TECHNOLOGY
STANDARDS THAT ARE IN PLACE. UM
AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE A
REALLY TREMENDOUS WIN WIN BUT
ALSO ALLOW US TO INVEST IN
TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE MATURE AND
THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW AND WILL
PROVIDE MISSIONS BENEFITS
IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT OKAY. SEE
NONE. ARE THERE, WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. CHAIR AND MAUREEN
PINEL ON BEHALF OF THE
INTERNATIONAL LONGSHORE AND
WAREHOUSE UNION. WE DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH POST POSITION WE HAVE
WORKED OUT AMENDMENTS WITH, UH,
SPONSORS OF THE BILL TO PREVENT
AUTOMATION, SO WE LOOK FORWARD
TO SEEING THOSE AMENDMENTS
BEFORE THE BILL REACHES THE
FLOOR AT THAT DOES GET DONE IN
APPROPRIATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION? SECURE
CARTER ON BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB,
CALIFORNIA AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. THANKS THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI
THANK YOU, MR BENNETT. AYE. NOW
REPRESENT HALF OF SAN PEDRO,
INCLUDING ALMOST GETTING TO THE
PORTS OF LOS ANGELES, AND, UH
AND I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THE
ISSUE OF AUTOMATION. THEY ISSUES
THAT THE LW RAISE BECAUSE YOU,
UM REASSURE ME AND THIS
COMMITTEE THAT DID THE INTENT OF
THE BILL IS NOT TO CONTINUE ANY
TREND TOWARD AUTOMATION THAT'S
GOING TO TAKE A GOOD UNION JOBS.
I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE
NEGOTIATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE
BETWEEN THE SPONSORS AND THE
LONGSHOREMAN'S REPRESENTATIVES.
THEY HAVE REACHED AGREEMENT.
THEY JUST REACH AGREEMENT TOO
LATE FOR US TO HAVE THE
AMENDMENT AND LANGUAGE HERE. BUT
I WILL DEFINITELY SINCE THERE
SINCE THEY ARE BOTH IN
AGREEMENT. I'LL DEFINITELY BE
ADDING THAT TO THE BILL, AND
THAT'S CERTAINLY REFLECTS THE
INTENTION HERE. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SEE NONE. IS
THERE A MOTION? OH, MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CHRIS WARD,
SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? YEAH I
JUST THINK THE BILL MAKES A LOT
OF COMMON SENSE. AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
SECRETARY, PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PAST AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS RIVAS
I FLORA FLORA I ADDIS. AT THIS
TIME I FRIEDMAN OVER. ALRIGHT
MATHIS MATHIS. MURATSUCHI SOUCI.
AYE, PELLERIN. HILLARY AND I
WARD WARD. I WOULD WOULD I SPUR
SPUR. AYE. THAT BILL HAS 10
VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
ABSENT THE ABSENT MEMBER. THAT
WAS ONLY ONE UM NEXT, A B 15 50,
ALSO BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BENNETT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. UM I
WANT TO BE CLEAR RIGHT FROM THE
BEGINNING THAT THIS BILL IS A
WORK IN PROGRESS BILL, BUT IT
NEEDS TO MOVE FOR IT TO BE WORK
IN PROGRESS THAT WILL HAVE
SUFFICIENT WORK DONE TO IT. THE
NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS NEED TO
COME TOGETHER AND, UH, ONE OF
THE CHALLENGES IS TO HAVE PEOPLE
YOU KNOW, FULLY VET THE
DEFINITION OF GREEN HYDROGEN.
YOU KNOW, IT GETS THROWN AROUND
REALLY EASILY. WE NEED TO REALLY
VET THAT AND HAVE ROBUST
CONVERSATION. IF YOU DON'T HAVE
A BILL MOVING, YOU JUST DON'T
GET TO STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT
THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO FULLY
VET THAT. UM, AND SO I
APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE
UTILITIES COMMITTEE, UM CAME UP
WITH A DEFINITION FOR GREEN
HYDROGEN AS A STARTING SPOT.
ALRIGHT UM AND THAT DEFINITION
OF GREEN HYDROGEN, UM, HAS BEEN
OUT THERE, BUT THE DEFINITION
THAT UTILITIES COMMITTEE HAS
ADDED TO THIS MEANS THAT FOSSIL
FUEL CAN'T BE USED NORTH STEAM
METHANE REFORM. CURRENTLY THAT'S
WHAT THE DEFINITION SAYS, UM, TO
PRODUCE HYDROGEN, AND THAT IS
THE STARTING SPOT. I INTEND TO
HAVE ALREADY HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL
ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE
SUBMITTED WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE
TO HAVE AS A DEFINITION INDUSTRY
AS BEEN TALKING MOSTLY ABOUT
CARBON INTENSITY DEFINITIONS. UM
ENVIRONMENTAL CEMENT TALKING
MORE ABOUT USES AND FOCUS ON THE
PRODUCTION, BUT NOT JUST THE
PRODUCTION, BUT HOW THE HYDROGEN
IS USED. AND THE UTILITY
COMMITTEE I THINK CAME UP WITH
THE RENEWABLE FUEL STANDARDS,
WHICH IS THE STANDARD WE'RE
USING FOR THE ELECTRIC GRID
RIGHT NOW. AND THE FUNDAMENTAL
MOTIVATION HERE IN IN MY MIND IS
TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN SAY IN
GENERAL. WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE
ELECTRON IS GOOD FOR THE ELEMENT
THAT THAT'S GOING TO HELP
EVERYBODY AS WE MOVE FORWARD
NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS NO STANDARD. AND SO
HYDROGEN COULD BE PRODUCED. IN
IN IN ANY WAY, AND WE RISK THE
POSSIBILITY OF HAVING, UM,
ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY
INVESTED IN TECHNOLOGY THAT
MAYBE IS TECHNOLOGY WE DON'T
WANT TO HAVE IN THE LONG RUN,
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
JOBS CREATED AROUND THAT AND
PEOPLE FRUSTRATED WITH WITH THAT
BY GIVING PEOPLE CERTAINTY EARLY
IN THE PROCESS. UM AND BUT
TAKING OUR TIME WHILE WE
DEVELOPED THAT I THINK IT JUST
HELPS CALIFORNIA ALL THE WAY
AROUND AND AGAIN. THE GOAL HERE
IS NOT A PRO HYDROGEN GOAL OR
PRO BATTERY TECHNOLOGY GOAL. IT
IS A WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR US
TO MAKE THIS COMPLICATED
TRANSITION FROM A CARBON ECONOMY
TO A CARBONLESS ECONOMY.
HYDROGEN PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE
IN THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF ITS
STORAGE CAPACITY ALONE. IT'S A
SIGNIFICANT, UH ADDED BENEFIT
THAT BATTERY TECHNOLOGIES HAVING
TROUBLE COMING UP WITH, AND SO
THERE ARE MANY THINGS I'D LOVE
TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IN TERMS
OF THIS, BUT WE HAVE AN
AMBITIOUS GOAL TO GET TO 100%
CLEAN BY 2045. NO CARBON
EMISSIONS. TO REACH THAT GOAL. I
THINK WE HAVE TO. NOT JUST, UH,
SET THE GOAL, BUT WE HAVE TO
START WORK THINKING THROUGH WHAT
ARE THE HARD STEPS THAT HAVE TO
BE TAKEN. ONE OF THOSE HARD
STEPS IS WORKING ON THIS
DEFINITION. AND SO I REALLY
APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE
HAD QUITE A BIT OF ENGAGEMENT ON
THIS. AND, UM, WE HAVE OUR
STAKEHOLDER REPRESENTATIVE HERE
. BILL IS GOING TO TESTIFY, AND
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO MY
LAST PAGE FOR BILL MCGOVERN, AND
HE'S FROM THE CLEAN AIR
COALITION SPEAKING AND FAVOR OF
BEEN SUPPORTED THE BILL. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS,
BILL MCGOVERN WITH THE COALITION
FOR CLEAN AIR IN SUPPORT. I
THINK YOUR ANALYSIS IS A GOOD
JOB OF NOTING A LOT OF THE PROS
AND CONS OF HYDROGEN ENERGY AND
ONE STATEMENT THAT IS
PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO MY
ORGANIZATION IS IT NOTES THAT IF
YOU MAKE HYDROGEN WITH ZERO
CARBON ENERGY, USE IT IN ZERO
MISSION APPLICATIONS. REPLACING
DIESEL. YOU CLEARLY HAVE CLEAN
AIR AND CLIMATE BENEFITS, AND
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE STRONGLY
SUPPORTED THE USE OF HYDROGEN IN
FUEL CELL ENGINES FOR
APPLICATIONS LIKE TRUCKS, TRAINS
, SHIPS WHERE, AND WE BADLY NEED
TO GET OUT OF DIESEL, BOTH FOR
AIR QUALITY. AND FOR CLIMATE
REASONS TO MAKE HYDROGEN
SUCCESSFUL, WE NEED TO MAKE IT
GREEN, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY
WHAT THIS BILL IS GETTING AT
BACK IN 2006. SENATOR LOWENTHAL
AUTHORED SB 15. OH, FIVE, AND I
SPOKE FOR THAT BILL AT THE TIME,
AND IT SAID THE INITIAL
RENEWABLE ENERGY REQUIREMENTS
FOR HYDROGEN PRODUCTION IN
CALIFORNIA. WELL THAT WAS 17
YEARS AGO, AND IT'S IN NEED OF
AN UPDATE AND THIS BILL REALLY
WOULD ACCOMPLISH THAT BY
REQUIRING THAT WE GET TO TRULY
GREEN HYDROGEN. BUT ONLY 21
YEARS TO GET THERE, WHICH YOU
KNOW REALLY IS A LONG TIME AND
IT'S THE SAME TIMEFRAME AS WE'RE
GIVING FOR THE GRID, SO IT'S
REALLY PUTTING THEM ON A LEVEL
PLAYING FIELD, WHICH WE THINK IS
APPROPRIATE. WE SUPPORT BOTH AS
THE EMISSION TECHNOLOGIES AND
URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS, BILL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
. SECURE CARTER ON BEHALF OF
SIERRA CLUB, CALIFORNIA WITH THE
SUPPORT OF OMITTED POSITION WE
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
AUTHOR TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT
BIOFUEL IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE
LIST OF POTENTIAL RESOURCES.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON,
CAITLIN RUDNER CENTER ON BEHALF
OF ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND
AND ALSO CALIFORNIA AND VIRAL
VOTERS TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE
DIRECTION AND LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH YOU ON MORE DETAILS
, BUT WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT
TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION?
CHAIR MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
MIKHAIL SQUIRREL. I'M HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
HYDROGEN COLLISION IN THE
CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN BUSINESS
COUNCIL. WHILE WE SHARE THE
DESIRE AND THE PRINCIPAL FOR
DECARBONIZATION OF HYDROGEN BY
2045. MAYBE 15 50 IS STILL NOT
READY TO BE MOVED AND WITH
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS
CREATES A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL
RISK TO CURRENT MAJOR PROJECTS
AND THE FEDERAL FUNDING IN THE
CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN HUB. THERE'S
TOO MUCH AT STAKE, INCLUDING
CALIFORNIA'S COMPETITIVENESS AND
THE KNOWN PRIVATE SECTOR
INVESTMENTS TOTING TOTALING OVER
$10 BILLION AND NOT ENOUGH TO BE
GAINED BY HASTILY MOVING THIS
BILL AS AMENDED TODAY. ALL THE
PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT A RENEWABLE AND WOULD FAIL
TO MEET THE HYPER SPECIFIC
DEFINITION OF GREEN IN THIS
BILL. I APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS
COMMITMENT TO MAKE THIS A TWO
YEAR BILL AND TO WORK WITH US.
WE IN TURN, HAVE MADE THAT
COMMITMENT TO WORK WITH HIM. BUT
THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO MOVE
THIS BILL. THE WORK THAT NEEDS
TO TAKE PLACE HAS FAILED TO MAKE
MUSTER IN THIS COMMITTEE
MULTIPLE YEARS IN A ROW. I THINK
THE FIRST BILL WE BROUGHT
FORWARD WAS 2019 FOR RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN STANDARD. AND WE WERE
NOT ABLE TO GET A COMMITTEE
HEARING. AND SO. WHILE THE
LEGISLATURE DID IT THE RIGHT
THING IN PASSING SB 10 75 LAST
YEAR TO INVESTIGATE THE VARIOUS
ASPECTS OF RENEWABLE HYDROGEN
AND GREEN HYDROGEN. WE BELIEVE
THAT THE INFORMATION FROM THAT
REPORT FROM CARBS THE C C AND C
P U C SHOULD BE IN THIS
DISCOURSE PRIOR TO MOVING AHEAD
AND TAKING THIS BILL ACROSS THE
BILL IN PRINT, ADDITIONALLY ADDS
A STANDARD THAT NO OTHER
RENEWABLE RESOURCE WOULD BE ABLE
TO MEET. WE'RE HOLDING HYDROGEN
TO DIFFERENTIAL. UH ASPECT AT AN
EARLY POINT IN ITS DEPLOYMENT.
AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY EXAMINE
HOW TO DO THAT. AND DO THAT,
UNDER THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE
GOING TO RECEIVE OUT OF S B 10
75. SO AS AN EXAMPLE. IT'S KIND
OF ODD THAT WELL, WE COULD USE
RPS ELIGIBLE BIO METHANE TO BURN
AT A POWER PLANT TO CREATE
ELECTRICITY TO THEN MAKE
ELECTROLYTIC HYDROGEN THAT WOULD
BE CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE UNDER
THIS DEFINITION, BUT I COULDN'T
JUST TAKE THE BIO METHANE TO
MAKE THE HYDROGEN AND MORE
EFFICIENT AND COST EFFECTIVE
PATHWAY WITH LOWER CARBON
EMISSIONS. UH SAME GOES FOR
BIOMASS SO AT THIS TIME WE URGE
THIS COMMITTEE, THE AUTHOR AND
THE LEGISLATURE TO CONTINUE TO
FOCUS ON RENEWABLE ATTRIBUTES
AND CARBON INTENSITY WITH THE
OVERLAY OF THE GRID. BUT PLEASE
HOLD THIS BILL TODAY SO THAT WE
DON'T RISK THE HYDROGEN HUB.
HELLO GOOD AFTERNOON. TWO
MINUTES. TWO MINUTES. YES. HELLO
SHARE REVIS MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS RYAN KENNY
WITH CLEAN ENERGY. OUR COMPANY
IS THE LARGEST PROVIDER OF
RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS,
TRANSPORTATION FUEL AND WE ARE
THE LEADERS IN THE FUTURE FOR
HYDROGEN FOR HEAVY DUTY
TRANSPORTATION IN CALIFORNIA. WE
BELIEVE THIS BILL IS PREMATURE,
AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS
, UM, LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE,
AND WE DO APPRECIATE HIS
INTEREST IN MAKING THIS A TWO
YEAR BILL, BUT WE ASKED THAT THE
BILL BE HELD HERE IN THE
ASSEMBLY IN THIS COMMITTEE. FOR
A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE. THE
BILL DOES NOT INCLUDE A
DEFINITION OF GREEN HYDROGEN FOR
VEHICLES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A
REQUIREMENT IN THE BILL. ALSO
THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED.
THIS IS A 2045 DEADLINE. WHY
NOW? WHY WHAT'S WHAT'S THE ISSUE
WITH WITH THE OPPOSITION AT THIS
POINT FOR TRANSPORTATION, BUT
THE ISSUE IS, IT'S A NASCENT
INDUSTRY JUST GETTING OFF THE
GROUND. SETTING A LONG TERM
GLOBAL DISINCENTIVIZE INVESTMENT
IN INNOVATION IN THE NEAR TERM,
OUR INDUSTRY AND HEAVY DUTY
SPACE LOOKS AT THE HYDROGEN IS
MORE LIKE THE V SPACE. MAYBE IN
THE 19 NINETIES. WE'RE TRYING TO
GET THIS OFF THE GROUND AND ANY
SORT OF PREMATURE GOAL. WELL
INHIBIT THAT, UM, ALSO, SP 10 75
WAS ADOPTED JUST LAST YEAR BY
THIS COMMITTEE AND ALSO REQUIRES
THREE THE CARB BèC AND PUC TO
CONDUCT AN EVALUATION OF
HYDROGEN. BY JUNE. 1ST 2045. WE
THINK THIS BILL IS PREMATURE FOR
THAT REASON AS WELL. WE ALSO
URGE THAT THE BILL INCLUDE ALL
LOW CARBON FUEL PATHWAYS BASED
ON A CARBON INTENSITY FRAMEWORK
AND NOT A COLOR SCHEME, AND WE
ASKED AGAIN THAT THIS BILL BE
HELD FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM NEXT,
WE'LL MOVE TO ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION JUST
NAME ORGANIZATION AND POSITION
ON THE BILL. JULIA 11 BIOENERGY
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA WE ARE
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED BECAUSE
OF THE EXCLUSION OF RPS ELIGIBLE
ORGANIC WASTE. IT DOESN'T MAKE
SENSE TO ALLOW IT TO BE
CONVERTED TO ELECTRICITY AND
THEN TWO HYDROGEN INSTEAD OF
CONVERTING IT DIRECTLY TO
HYDROGEN, WHICH IS LESS
EXPENSIVE, LOWER CARBON
INTENSITY AND FAR MORE
EFFICIENT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, BROTHER REDONDO ON
BEHALF OF VEG CYCLE, OPPOSING
LESS AMENDED FOR REASONS ALREADY
STATED, AND WE THINK THE AUTHOR
AND STUFF FOR ALL THE ENGAGEMENT
AND LOOK LOOKING FORWARD TO
CONTINUING THAT ENGAGEMENT AS
WELL. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS, CHRIS
BAUER ON BEHALF OF OVERRUN FUELS
IN RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION TO THE
BILL. LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING
CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS WITH
YOU, SIR. JANET COX ON BEHALF OF
THE 3 50 HUMBLE IN OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. JACKIE ANNA'S ON
BEHALF OF THE COALITION FOR
RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR JEREMY SMITH.
YOU ON BEHALF OF THE STATE
BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES
COUNCIL, ALSO OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. NEXT WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE AND QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WARD. THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR BRINGING THIS
FORWARD. I KNOW DOT APPRECIATE,
YOU KNOW, WORK IN PROGRESS
BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY BIG AREA
THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET SOME
GOOD GOAL, SETTING AROUND AND
GOOD DEFINITIONS ABOUT WHAT WE
WANT TO DO. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE
MIGHT BE SOME GROUND TO WORK ON
AND HELP BRIDGE SOME OF THAT
CONCERN FROM OPPOSITION, AND I
KNOW THAT YOU'LL BE TAKING THAT
VERY SERIOUSLY. AND I KNOW THIS
IS ALSO GOING TO INTERSECT WITH
SOME OF OUR OTHER HYDROGEN
RELATED BILLS OR WORKING ON THIS
COMMITTEE AND THROUGH THIS
SESSION, AND SO, TO EVERY EXTENT
THAT WE'RE SETTING GOOD, GREEN
ORIENTED GOALS INTO WHAT I STILL
SEE IS A 22 YEAR. 23 YEAR TIME
HORIZON. I THINK IT'S A GREAT
SORT OF MARKER DOWN AND HOW
THESE ALL THREAD TOGETHER IN THE
WORK THAT YOU DO THAT INTERSECTS
WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER BILLS
AS WELL IS GOING TO BE VERY
LAUDABLE. SO I'M HAPPY TO MOVE
THE BILL AND LOOK FORWARD TO
YOUR CONTINUED WORK ON THIS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOOVER. THANK
YOU. UH AND YOU KNOW, THANK YOU
TO THE AUTHOR. I DO APPRECIATE
YOUR COMMENT THAT I THINK YOU
AND I BOTH SHARE THAT HYDROGEN
DOES PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN
THE FUTURE OF OUR CLEAN ENERGY.
UH ECONOMY, AND I'M VERY EXCITED
ABOUT THE ROLE THAT IT'S GOING
TO PLAY. I THINK YOU KNOW THE,
UM ONE OF YOUR WITNESSES SAID
SOMETHING ABOUT OR YOUR WITNESS
SAID SOMETHING ABOUT TO MAKE
HYDROGEN SUCCESSFUL. IT NEEDS TO
BE GREEN. I WOULD ACTUALLY FLIP
THAT. I THINK TO MAKE HYDROGEN
GREEN. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S
SUCCESSFUL. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL
HYDROGEN AND INDUSTRY. WE NEED
TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM FIRST, AND
THEN WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH MAKING IT AS CLEAN AS
POSSIBLE. I THINK MY CONCERN AT
THIS POINT AND I AM HAPPY TO
CONTINUE. YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE
YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE
THESE DISCUSSIONS. UM MY CONCERN
AT THIS POINT IS THAT THE BILL
IS WRITTEN. I THINK MY FEAR IS
THAT IT WILL SUFFOCATE THE
HYDROGEN INDUSTRY AND ITS
INFANCY, AND I THINK THAT YOU
KNOW, BECAUSE OF THAT. I'M JUST
NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT
IT TODAY, BUT I WILL DEFINITELY
KEEP AN EYE ON THIS MOVES
FORWARD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BIRTH, SO I
WANTED TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR I
THINK SORT OF TACKLING A SET OF
ISSUES THAT I'VE BEEN GRAPPLING
WITH AND FRANKLY, DON'T QUITE
UNDERSTAND WELL YET, UM, AND I
THINK ONE OF THE POSITIVES ABOUT
THE BILL IS REALLY GETTING INTO
THE WEEDS AND DEVELOPING A
DEFINITION FOR WHAT? CLEAN
HYDROGEN GREEN HYDROGEN. GOOD
HYDROGEN IS, UM AND SO I APPLAUD
YOU FOR DOING THAT, UM, I WAS
WONDERING, I DID HAVE ONE
QUESTION WHICH WAS, UM AND THEN
THE OTHER THING, I GUESS I'LL
SAY IS, YOU KNOW I'M CONVINCED
THAT WHILE I DO STILL BELIEVE
THAT ELECTRIFICATION IS THE
CLEANEST, UM, FUEL SOURCE, UM I
ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A
LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE FULL LIFE
CYCLE FOR BATTERY TECHNOLOGY
THAT WE HAVE TO ALSO RECOGNIZE,
UM AND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE
SOME I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE
GOING TO BE SOME APPLICATIONS
WHERE HYDROGEN IS GOING TO BE
WHAT WE'RE JUST ELECTRIFICATION
AND THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT GOING
TO GET THERE IN TIME OR AT ALL,
POTENTIALLY, AND SO I DO THINK
WE NEED TO CONTINUE FOCUSING ON
HYDROGEN. MY QUESTION WAS
RELATED TO THE ONE THAT THE
BUILDING TRADES BROUGHT UP IN
THEIR LETTER, WHICH HAS TO DO
WITH CONCERN THEY'RE RAISING
ABOUT THE $8 BILLION IN FUNDING
ON THE HYDROGEN HUBS. I WAS
WONDERING IF YOU CAN RESPOND TO
THAT. WHETHER YOU THINK THAT
THIS HAS AN IMPACT OR NOT.
THANKS THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTION. I REALLY APPRECIATE
IT. I WAS THE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ON THE FLOOR THAT GATHERED THE
SIGNATURES FOR SUPPORT FOR THE
HYDROGEN HUB, AND I APPRECIATED
THE FACT THAT THERE WAS
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR THAT, AND
WE HAD A SURPRISING NUMBER OF
MEMBERS IN A VERY CUP JUST ONLY
TWO DAYS SIGN ON TO THAT WELL
OVER THE MAJORITY OF THE
ASSEMBLY. SO I WOULDN'T BE DOING
SOMETHING THAT I THINK COULD
RISK. UH A BILLION DOLLAR
INVESTMENT FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. UH AND I DON'T
BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE CASE AND
THE REASON I DON'T WANT, YOU
KNOW A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY, I
DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE. I
THINK YOU KNOW, I HAD
CONVERSATIONS AND IT ALMOST
SHARE THEM WITH SOME OF THE
PEOPLE IN THE TOP OF THE
ADMINISTRATION. WHO SAID THIS?
WE THINK THIS ACTUALLY HELPS US
BECAUSE IT SHOWS THIS
LEGISLATURE IS SERIOUS ABOUT
HYDROGEN SERIOUS ABOUT HAVING
THESE CONVERSATIONS. UM AND SO
THAT KIND OF INTEREST ACTUALLY
HELPS, AND THERE ARE OTHER
PLACES THAT AH, YOU JUST DON'T
HAVE THE LEGISLATURE. YOU KNOW
THAT FOCUSED ON IT. YOU KNOW,
ONE OF THE HYDROGEN HUBS IS
SUPPOSED TO BE A CLEAN HYDROGEN
, HUH? BUT FOCUS ON CLEAN
HYDROGEN HUB. AND CERTAINLY
THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY
CALIFORNIA MIGHT QUALIFY FOR
THAT, AND WE MAY QUALIFY FOR TWO
HYDROGEN HUBS AS AS A DISTINCT
POSSIBILITY. UM SO I DON'T THINK
THAT I APPRECIATE THE LETTER,
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IN MY
MIND I CAN'T SEE THE CONNECTION
THAT IT'S GOING TO COST US. I
THINK IT THEORETICALLY BUT WILL
HELP US. NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE
UNTIL WE HEAR FROM WASHINGTON.
I'M ASSUMING, THOUGH. I MEAN
YOU'RE MAKING THIS A TWO YEAR
BILLS, AND PART OF THAT IS IN
ORDER TO SORT OF ADDRESS SOME OF
THE ISSUES RELATED TO THE
DEFINITION OF GREEN HYDROGEN.
ABSOLUTELY IN THE IN THE UTILITY
COMMITTEE HEARING, THEY ASKED IF
I WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER
MAKING THIS A TWO YEAR BILL AND
YES FOR THIS BILL, UH, YOU KNOW,
FOR US TO HAVE THE STAKEHOLDER
MEETINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO
HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT
HAVE BEEN RAISED HERE ABOUT AH,
ABOUT THE STANDARDS ABOUT
PERCEPTION OF INCONSISTENCY ON
BIOMASS AND THOSE THINGS ALL
TAKE. THEY TAKE CONVERSATION.
THEY TAKE TIME. THEY ALSO TAKE
ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT BY THE
STAKEHOLDERS, AND THAT WOULD
OFFER THAT'S THE MAJOR REASON TO
MOVE THE BILL RATHER THAN TO
DELAY THAT THE FURTHER YOU ARE
FROM THE FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM
FROM MOVING IT, BUT IF WE CAN
MOVE THE BILL AND DEMONSTRATE
THERE'S GENERAL INTEREST IN
GETTING THIS DEFINITION. UM I
THINK THAT IT'S YOU GET A MUCH
MORE ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT AS WE
MOVE FORWARD. SO YES, IT WOULD
BE THE SUMMER AND THE FALL WHEN
I HOPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TIME
TO ACTUALLY PULL EVERYBODY
TOGETHER AND HAVE THOSE THOSE IN
DEPTH BACK AND FORTH
CONVERSATIONS. LIKE YOU KNOW,
I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS IN THE
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY AND
THEY'VE MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH THEM VERY
CLOSELY, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD
TO SORT OF SEE THEY HAVE COME TO
A POSITION OF SUPPORT. I THINK
UNDERSTANDING THE INTENT OF THE
BILL, AND YOU KNOW, I'M I'M
HOPEFUL THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE
WORKING WITH THE BUILDING TRADES
AND UNDERSTAND BEING THIS ISSUE
WITH THE HYDROGEN HUBS AND THE
OPPONENTS HERE. AS THE BILL
MOVES FORWARD, SO I'M PLANNING
ON SUPPORTING IT. UM GIVEN THAT
I THINK THAT THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT CONVERSATION THAT
NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND JUST WANT TO
THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING ALL THE
STAKEHOLDERS. THANK YOU. IF I
COULD, MADAM CHAIR IF I COULD
ADD, I FEEL LIKE I'VE WORKED
EQUALLY EQUALLY. ACTIVELY WITH
THE INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES
ALSO, UM AND WHILE THEY THEY HAD
A DIFFERENT REACTION. THAT
DEFINITION THAT WE HAVE CAME
FROM THE UTILITIES COMMITTEE. I
STARTED WITH NO DEFINITIONS
PARTIALLY TO MAINTAIN SORT OF AN
ABILITY TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW,
HONEST CONVERSATIONS BACK AND
FORTH WITH WITH BOTH SIDES SO
THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN
TERMS OF STARTING THIS, SO
CERTAINLY ON BOTH SIDES WANT TO
CONTINUE TO ENGAGE AS WE MOVE
FORWARD? THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PELLERIN. I
WANT TO THANK THE AUTHOR FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD. I
THINK THAT WE HAVE A LOT TO
LEARN ABOUT HYDROGEN. I REMEMBER
LAST YEAR GETTING THE NEWS STORY
ABOUT UC SANTA CRUZ RESEARCHERS
WHEN THEY FIND A WAY TO PRODUCE
HYDROGEN USING A UNIQUE ALUMINUM
NANOPARTICLES THAT REACTED WITH
WATER AT ROOM TEMPERATURE, AND
IT WAS JUST A LOT TO EXPLORE
HERE AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR
YOU WORKING WITH THE OPPOSITION
AND ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AND
MOVING IT. FORWARD AND I'M
HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL GET SOME GOOD
RESOLUTION THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK
YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS.
THANK YOU, MADAME SHERRY. UM.
YOU KNOW WHEN IT GETS TO
HYDROGEN, AND I KNOW WE TALKED A
LITTLE BIT. AND UTILITIES. UM.
ANY THE IMPORTANT PART TO
UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE'RE STORING
ELECTRONS. IN AN ELEMENT WHETHER
WE'RE STARTING ELECTRONS AND
LITHIUM OR STORING ELECTRONS AND
HYDROGEN. WE ARE STORING
ELECTRONS. AND. MY CONCERNS WITH
THIS BILL, AND WITH SOME OF THE
DEFINITIONS THAT ARE BEING
DISCUSSED IS THAT AND IT GOES
AND I'D REALLY LIKE THE
OPPOSITION TO EXPAND ON THIS. SO
WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND IT BETTER
BECAUSE IT'S YOUR GENERATING
ELECTRICITY. TO STORE IT IN AN
ELEMENT TO STORE THOSE ELECTRONS
AND WHEN WE GET TO DOING THAT
THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH
THAT. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT DOING IT IN A GREEN WAY.
DOING IT IN THE MOST
MECHANICALLY EFFICIENT WAY. TO
ME IS THE GREENEST WAY TO DO IT.
I LOVE TO HEAR FROM FROM MCHALE.
AND IF YOU GUYS WOULD EXPAND ON
THOSE MECHANICAL PROCESSES ON
THAT GENERATION, I THINK THAT
WOULD HELP US KIND OF UNDERSTAND
HOW THIS IS ACTUALLY
MECHANICALLY PHYSICALLY DONE.
THROUGH THE CHAIR. JUST WANTED
TO BE BRIEF. I DON'T WANT A LONG
EXPLANATION. JUST WE WANT TO
CONTINUE TO MOVE THE MECHANICS
ON HOW IT'S GENERATED OR ACTION
IMPORTANT, SO WITH REGARD TO
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN. THERE'S
THREE PRINCIPAL PATHWAYS. THE
MOST PREDOMINANT IS THE
CONVERSION OF, UH BIOGAS FROM
WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND
LANDFILLS AND WHATNOT THAT AS
REQUIRED BY CENTRAL LAURA'S SB
13 83. UH IT'S FAIRLY YOU KNOW,
WE INJECT STEAM. UM AND CRACK
THE CARBON MOLECULE OFF OF AFTER
THE METHANE THAT WAY AND END UP
WITH TWO HYDROGEN. UM MOLECULES
FOR THAT PROCESS. UH THAT'S ONE
OF THE MOST EFFICIENT WAYS TO
GET HYDROGEN AND IT'S IT CAN BE
DONE WITH FOSSIL OR COULD BE
DONE WITH RENEWABLE GASSES IT,
YOU KNOW. IN CALIFORNIA, THOUGH
WE'RE LAST YEAR IN
TRANSPORTATION SPACE, WE WERE
65% RENEWABLE WITH THE CARBON
INTENSITY ZERO USING
PREDOMINANTLY THAT PATHWAY, UH,
THE OTHER PATHWAYS, BIOMASS
PARALYSIS, WHICH IS NON
COMBUSTION CONVERSION OF THERMO
CHEMICAL CONVERSION, WHERE WE'RE
ABLE TO CAPTURE THEM HYDROGEN
AND USE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY
PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR OUR
FORESTRY MANAGEMENT ISSUES. AND
WILL HELP US CREATE A CIRCULAR
ECONOMY TO AVOID THE WILDFIRES.
AND THEN THE THIRD IS
ELECTROLYSIS, WHICH COULD BE
DONE WITH GRID POWER OR
RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY. THE ISSUE
WITH THIS DEFINITION AND IN THIS
BILL IS THE NO TRADE OF ALL
WRECKS. KIND OF PRECLUDES
HYDROGEN FROM BALANCING THE GRID
IN TIMES OF OVER PROCURED EXCESS
RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY. AND THEN
CURTAILING THE ELECTROLYZER AT
TIMES OF PEAK ELECTRICAL DEMAND.
SO YOU REMOVE THE COST BENEFIT
THAT IS BAKED INTO THE
CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN HUB PROPOSAL
BY REQUIRING DEDICATED WIND AND
SOLAR TO BE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT
ABLE TO CAPTURE WHAT IS EXCESS
PROCURED AS WE GET CLOSER TO 45
50 60% RENEWABLE IN THE RPS.
WE'RE GONNA NEED TENS OF HOURS
OF, UH YOU KNOW, STORAGE
HYDROGEN IS ONE OF THE MOST COST
EFFECTIVE WAYS TO CREATE THAT
STORAGE. AND SO YOU KNOW, THOSE
ARE KIND OF THE THREE PRINCIPAL
PATH. THANK YOU ANY OTHER JUST
WITH THAT? ON THAT RPS GETTING
GETTING TO YOU KNOW, 2045 0
CARBON. BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE
THIS REALLY GOES. WE'VE GOT TO
MAKE SURE THERE'S A WAY TO STORE
SOLAR AND WIND. AND WE KNOW
THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH LITHIUM
IN THE PLANET TO BE ABLE TO DO
THAT. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING
HYDROGEN IT'S KIND OF THE
SOLUTION TO THAT. YEAH
ABSOLUTELY. I THINK, UH, IT'S
BEEN WELL STUDIED BY THE
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA THAT
THE COST SAVINGS TO THE PUBLIC
COULD BE IN THE HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS. THIS YEAR. WE
CURTAILED ENOUGH ELECTRICITY
LAST SUMMER TO POWER ALMOST
200,000 FUEL CELL ELECTRIC
VEHICLES WITH WITH, YOU KNOW
ELECTRONS THAT RATEPAYERS HAVE
PAID FOR JUST LOST TO THE GRID
FOREVER. UM AND THAT HAPPENS ON
AN ANNUAL BASIS AND SO THE
ABILITY OF HYDROGEN TO BE A GRID
SERVICE IS TREMENDOUS. AND SO
THE WAY THE BILL IS TODAY, BARS
THAT FROM BEING A RESOURCE. YEAH
THE INABILITY TO USE TRADABLE
WRECKS IN THE REQUIREMENT OF
DIRECTED WIND AND SOLAR CONTINUE
TO MOVE ON. I MEAN, YOU HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT I'M JUST
IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY EATING. UM
WHAT HE ALREADY WHAT THE
OPPOSITION PRESENTED. I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMITTEE
TO UNDERSTAND. THAT THIS BILL
STOPS. OUR ABILITY TO USE
HYDROGEN. AS ELECTRON STORAGE.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE OUR 2045
GOALS, IT IS IMPERATIVE. THAT WE
HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION. TROUBLE
REX. THANKS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI. THANK YOU. I WANT TO
BE RESPECTFUL OF THE COMMITTEE'S
TIME. BUT I JUST WANTED
CLARIFICATION. MY UNDERSTANDING
IS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE GREEN
DEFINED GREEN HUNTERS IN THE
DIRECTION YOU'RE HEADED TO MAKE
GREEN HYDROGEN WITHOUT USING
FOSSIL FUELS SO CLEARLY LIKE
USING WIND AND SOLAR TO MAKE
HYDROGEN WOULD FOLLOWING THE
DIRECTION OF CAN STORE IT SO WE
CAN WE DO HAVE A BACKUP WHEN THE
SUN GOES DOWN, AND THE WIND
ISN'T BLOWING. YES EXACTLY. AND
SO THE OPPOSITION STATEMENT THAT
THE CENTRAL PREMISE OF THE
HYDROGEN HUB IS TO RELY ON
WINDOWS STORAGE TO STORE THAT
ENERGY IN IN THE IN THE FORM OF
HYDROGEN FUEL. IS CONSISTENT
WITH YOUR BILL. IS THAT CORRECT?
I BELIEVE SO. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. OKAY THANK YOU, MR
BENNETT. FOR BRINGING THIS
MEASURE FORWARD. I KNOW WE'VE
HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
THIS BILL. UM AND YOU KNOW YOUR
COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE WORKING
ON IT WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS. I
KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST
THINGS YOU TOLD ME WHEN YOU TOLD
ME THAT YOU WERE INTRODUCING
THIS BILL. UM SO I AM SUPPORTING
UM, THIS BILL TODAY? UM, WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE AND WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. UM I
APPRECIATE THE INTEREST IN IN IN
A DIFFICULT SUBJECT. UM YOU
ALREADY HEARD JUST IN SOME OF
THE OPPOSITION COMMENTS AS OUR
TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT YOU JUST
HAVE TO SPEND THE TIME AND ROLL
UP YOUR SLEEVES ON AND THE
SUPPORT OF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD
BE HELPFUL AND IN TERMS OF US
BRINGING EVERYBODY TO THE TABLE
FOR SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
THIS. AND I THINK THIS IS BETTER
THAN WHERE WE WERE BEFORE. WHEN
THERE WERE QUITE FRANKLY THERE
ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WANTED
TO KILL HYDROGEN IN THE CRIB,
AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT
WANTED HYDROGEN SORT OF AT ANY
COST, AND NEITHER ONE OF THOSE
WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE
FORWARD, AND THIS IS THE ATTEMPT
TO TRY TO ACTUALLY MOVE HYDROGEN
FORWARD. SO WITH THAT, I
RESPECTFULLY ASPIRIN. I VOTE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE EMOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WARD, SECOND BY
ASSEMBLY MEMBER AT HIS SECRETARY
, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MOTION IS
PASSED TO APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS
I FLORA. ADDIS AT A I. FRIEDMAN
HOOVER. NO. HOOVER NO. MATHIS
MATH IS NO MURATSUCHI. GUCCI. I
PELLERIN PELLERIN. I WARD WORD I
WOULD WOULD I EVER SPUR. AYE.
HEY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BILL
REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BILL HAS
SEVEN VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. NEXT. WE
HAVE. ITEM 9 89 85 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ARAMBULA.
GREAT. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. UM, WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. I WOULD LIKE TO
START BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE GREAT
WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE
. I'VE INCLUDED THE SUGGESTED
AMENDMENT IN A MOCK UP OF
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS SUBMITTED TO
THE ASSEMBLY APPROPRIATIONS. FOR
THAT COMMITTEE'S CONSIDERATION
IF THE BILL GETS OUT OF THIS
COMMITTEE TODAY, MAYBE 9 85 WILL
BEGIN TO RESTORE THE COMMUNITY'S
FAITH IN THE DISTRICT'S
GOVERNANCE BY BRINGING MUCH
NEEDED TRANSPARENCY TO THE SAN
JOAQUIN VALLEY EMISSION
REDUCTION CREDIT PROGRAM. E R C
PROGRAMS WERE BASED ON THE
NOTION THAT POLICE POLLUTERS
COULD BE MOTIVATED TO VOLUNTARY
USE A SYSTEM OF POLLUTION
CREDITS THAT WOULD RESULT IN A
REDUCTION OF EMISSIONS BEYOND
THOSE ACHIEVED THROUGH DIRECT
REGULATION. OVER THE PAST
DECADES, THE VALIDITY OF SOME OF
THE CREDITS GRANTED OVER THE
YEARS HAS BEEN CAST INTO DOUBT.
THIS HAS LEFT LOCAL COMMUNITIES
UNABLE TO TRUST THAT THEIR LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS ARE MEETING THEIR
OBLIGATION TO PROTECT PUBLIC
HEALTH. IN 2020 CARB RELEASED
ITS REVIEW OF THE VOLATILE
ORGANIC COMPOUNDS AND OXIDES OF
NITROGEN DOCS AND KNOCKS CRC
BANKS AT THE AIR DISTRICT. CARB
FOUND SO MANY PROBLEMS THAT THE
AIR DISTRICT LOST ITS SPECIAL
EXEMPTION FROM THE U. S. E P A
TO VALUE CREDITS IN THESE TWO
BANKS DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER AIR
DISTRICTS. CARB INVALIDATED THE
CREDITS THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER
BEEN ISSUED. IT THEN RAN THE
EQUIVALENCY DEMONSTRATIONS FOR
THE V O C AND KNOCKS BANKS
WITHOUT THOSE CREDITS. BECAUSE
THESE DEMONSTRATIONS FAILED.
CARB DIRECTED THE AIR DISTRICT
TO CONVERT ALL OF THESE CREDITS
IN THESE BANKS TO TIME OF USE
EVALUATIONS. AND THIS WAS A
REVIEW OF ONLY TWO OUT OF THE
10. TOTAL CREDIT BANKS. THE
REMAINING EIGHT BANKS INCLUDE
CREDITS FOR POLLUTANTS THAT ARE
IMPACTED IN SEVERE ADVERSE OR
EXCUSE ME ARE IMPLICATED IN
SEVERE ADVERSE HEALTH IMPACTS.
PARTICULATE MATTER, 2.5 AND 10
HAS BEEN SHOWN TO ACCUMULATE AND
FETAL TISSUE DURING GESTATION
WITH LINKS TO LOW BIRTH WEIGHT
AND INFANT MORTALITY. CARBON
MONOXIDE REDUCES THE CAPACITY OF
THE BODY TO PUMP OXYGENATED
BLOOD TO THE HEART. OXIDES OF
SULFUR SOCKS MAY INCREASE THE
RISK OF CHILDREN DEVELOPING
ASTHMA AND WORSEN RESPIRATORY
SYMPTOMS. AMONG THOSE CHILDREN
THAT DO DEVELOP ASTHMA. THERE
ARE ALSO CREDIT BANKS FOR
ACETONE, THANE SULFATE AND
HYDROGEN SULFIDE, EACH WITH ITS
OWN SET OF HEALTH AND
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. THE SAN
JOAQUIN VALLEY AIR POLLUTION
CONTROL DISTRICT HAS CONTINUED
TO ISSUE E. R. C S IN VIOLATION
OF FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS, RULES
AND REGULATIONS. MANY OF THE
PERMITS UTILIZED BY THESE
SOURCES ARE BASED ON E. R. C S
THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN
ISSUED. THIS HAS RESULTED IN
DECADES OF EXPOSURE BY OUR
CONSTITUENTS TO EXCESS POLLUTION
THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN
PERMITTED. DESPITE ALL OF THIS.
CARB HAS NO PUBLIC PLAN TO
CONTINUE ITS REVIEW OF THE EIGHT
REMAINING BANKS. IT IS ESSENTIAL
THAT CREDITS BE BASED ON A
MISSION REDUCTIONS THAT WERE
REAL. PROPERLY QUANTIFIED.
PERMANENT ENFORCEABLE AND
SURPLUS. THIS IS NOT A NEW
STANDARD. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE
STANDARD. THIS BILL SIMPLY
REQUIRES THAT CREDIT CURRENTLY
UP FOR SALE MEET THIS STANDARD.
FOR THESE REASONS, CARB MUST
ENSURE THAT CREDITS ARE REAL AND
THAT THE SYSTEM IS FUNCTIONING
AS INTENDED. TRANSPARENTLY AND
FAIRLY. TESTIFYING AND SUPPORT
OF A B 9 85 ARE SUZANNE SADAT
WITH EARTH JUSTICE AND JESUS
ALONSO WITH CLEAN WATER ACTION.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIR
AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AM JESUS
ALONSO, THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER
FOR CLEAN WATER ACTION, AND I'M
HERE IN SUPPORT OF A B 9 85. AS
A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF LAMONT IN
CURRENT COUNTY, AND IT'S SIX
YEARS LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL
ADVOCATE. I HAVE SEEN HEARD AND
EXPERIENCED FIRSTHAND THE
FAILURES OF THE EMISSION
REDUCTION CREDIT PROGRAM. OUR
COMMUNITIES, LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. BEAR THE
IMPACT OF HARMFUL DANGEROUS
CONTAMINANTS AND THE POLICIES IN
PLACE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO
PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES.
POLICIES ARE NOT PROPERLY
EXECUTED. WHETHER WILLFULLY OR
ACCIDENTALLY, IT IS OUR
COMMUNITIES, OUR FAMILIES THAT
PAY THE PRICE. THE BRACE THE
PRICE FOR THE YEAR C PROGRAMS,
FAILURES TAKE THE FORM OF OUR
FAMILY MEMBERS AT AN INCREASED
RISK OF DEVELOPING ANY NUMBER OF
RESPIRATORY AND CARDIOVASCULAR
DISEASES, INCLUDING CANCER. IT
MANIFESTS AS IN THE AS THE ONE
IN FOUR CHILDREN IN OUR
COMMUNITIES, DEVELOPING ASTHMA,
THE MULTIYEAR STREAKS OF HAVING
SEVERAL OF OUR CITIES IN THE
STATE OF THE AIR REPORT AND THE
STATE OF THE AREA. REPORTS TOP
10 MOST POLLUTED CITIES IN THE
NATION AND IN OUR AREA DISTRICTS
INABILITY TO MEET AIR QUALITY
STANDARDS. AFTER THE 2020 CAR
REPORT WAS CONCLUDED, AND IT WAS
FOUND THAT FOR 10 YEARS THERE
WAS NOT ONLY A LACK OF PUBLIC
TRANSPARENCY BUT A PATTERN OF
MISMANAGING AND OVER CREDITING
APPLICANTS. I, ALONG WITH
SEVERAL OTHER ADVOCATES JOINED
THE PARTICIPATORY ADVISORY WORK
GROUP. MEETING AFTER MEETING OUR
INPUT WAS REJECTED AND IGNORED.
THE AIR DISTRICT AND THE
WORKGROUP WERE UNWILLING TO
REFORM OR QUANTIFY ANY OF THE
PRIOR AREAS THAT LED TO THIS
DYSFUNCTIONAL PROGRAM. IT WAS
CLEAR THAT OUR PRESENCE ON THE
WORKGROUP WAS BEING TOKENIZED
AND THAT THEY HAD NO INTENTION
TO QUANTIFY THE DISCREPANCIES OR
COMPENSATE ARE DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES FOR THIS SEVERELY
MISMANAGED CREDIT. AS A RESULT
OF THESE FAILURES WERE NOW HERE
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. AS AN
ORGANIZER, A COMMUNITY LEADER
AND AS A FATHER OF TWO SMALL
CHILDREN. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT
THE 9 85. THE EMISSION REDUCTION
THAT WE WERE PROMISED AS LONG
WHAT WE'RE DOING. THANK YOU.
HELLO MY NAME IS SUSAN SADAT, A
SENIOR POLICY ANALYST WITH
JUSTICE AND STRONG SUPPORT OF
THE 1985. THE BILL IS FAIRLY
STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT ESSENTIALLY
REQUIRES INDUSTRIES TO FOLLOW
THE RULES OF THE CLEAN AIR ACT
IN THE MOST POLLUTED AIR BASE IN
IN THE COUNTRY. ONE THE DISTRICT
IS SEVERELY OUT OF ATTAINMENT
FOR HEALTH BASED AIR STANDARDS
AS THE VALLEY HAS BEEN FOR
DECADES, THE E R C PROGRAM IS
SUPPOSED TO ENSURE THAT NEW
SOURCES OF POLLUTION ARE OFFSET
WITH REDUCTIONS THAT ARE REAL
SURPLUS AND PERMANENT. AFTER
PRESSING THE ISSUE FOR YEARS,
RESIDENTS WERE SUCCESSFUL IN
GETTING CARVED TO DO A SAMPLE
AUDIT A SMALL BUT REPRESENTATIVE
FRACTION OF THE CREDITS IN THE
BANK AND THE RESULTS OF THAT
AUDIT SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
ALMOST ALL OF THE CREDITS WERE
FROM OVER 30 YEARS OLD, USING
THE DISTRICT'S RAW DATA. CARB
COULD NOT BACK UP THE DISTRICTS
CLAIMS OF REDUCTIONS FOR HALF OF
THE PROJECTS THEY EXAMINED. AND
THE DISTRICT DID NOT HAVE ANY
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION TO
EXPLAIN THEIR MATH. CAR FOUND
CASES WHERE INFLATED CREDITS
WERE AWARDED FOR REQUIRED
POLLUTION REDUCTIONS IN
VIOLATION OF FEDERAL AND STATE
LAW. IN ONE INSTANCE, THE
DISTRICT OVER CREDITED AND
ORPHAN OIL WELL SHUT DOWN WITH
MORE THAN 500 TONS OF YEARS. CS
CARVED DETERMINED THE PRODUCT
PROJECT SHOULD HAVE RESERVED
ZERO TONS. CAR FOUND THAT
ELECTRIFICATION PROJECTS WERE
CONSISTENTLY OVER CREDITED AND
WHAT'S MORE, THEY WERE NEVER
EVEN ELIGIBLE TO GENERATE
CREDITS IN THE FIRST PLACE SINCE
THEY WERE FUNDED THROUGH
SEPARATE STATE FUNDING SOURCES
LIKE THE CARL MOYER PROGRAM. THE
GLIMPSE FROM THIS SAMPLE AUDIT
IS ENOUGH TO BE OUTRAGED, BUT
IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND
THE FULL SCOPE OF HARM TO VALLEY
RESIDENTS. AIR 89 85 TELLS THE
DISTRICT TO DO WHAT ANY LOGICAL
OBSERVER WOULD DO. GIVEN THIS
INFORMATION. KEEP GOING. FINISH
THE REVIEW THE REST OF THE
POLLUTANT. BANKS STILL NEED TO
BE REVIEWED, QUANTIFY THE AMOUNT
OF INVALID CREDITS THAT STILL
REMAIN IN THE BANK. TODAY. WE
NEED TO KNOW THAT NO SIGNIFICANT
NEW POLLUTION IN THE VALLEY CAN
OCCUR UNLESS IT'S OFFSET BY
REDUCTIONS THAT ARE ACTUALLY
REAL, ACTUALLY SURPLUS AND
VERIFIABLE, AS HAS ALWAYS BEEN
THE LAW. IN SUMMARY. THIS BILL
IS JUST ENSURING THE RC PROGRAMS
AS FAR AS IT WAS INTENDED TO
FUNCTION AND THAT THE INDUSTRY
AND THE MOST POLLUTED BASIN IN
THE COUNTRY IS PLAYING BY THE
RULES BECAUSE THE AUDIT WE HAVE
SO FAR PROVES THAT'S NOT BEEN
THE CASE. AND WHEN YOU HEAR
SABER RATTLING ABOUT JOB LOSSES
WHENEVER COMMUNITIES DEMAND
ACCOUNTABILITY, REMEMBER, THIS
BILL JUST BRINGS THE INDUSTRY
CLOSER TO HAVING TO COMPLY WITH
BASIC HEALTH PROTECTIONS THAT
THEY HAVE MANAGED TO SUBVERT FOR
DECADES. IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TO
ASK THAT INDUSTRY FIGURE OUT HOW
TO RUN THEIR BUSINESSES IN WAYS
THAT DON'T REQUIRE EVADING THE
LAW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU NEXT.
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, DR
KATHRYN GROUP WITH THE CENTRAL
VALLEY AIR QUALITY, COALITION,
PROUD SPONSOR AND STRONG SUPPORT
, HAVE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO READ
IN ME TOOS INTO THE RECORD FOR
PESTICIDE ACTION NETWORK LITTLE
MANILA RISING LEADERSHIP COUNCIL
FOR JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY,
THE CLIMATE CENTER VALLEY
IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FRIENDS
COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION OF
CALIFORNIA ME FAMILIAR VOTER.
ELDERS CLIMATE ACTION, NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA AND SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA CHAPTERS. CENTRAL
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
NETWORK CLIMATE ACTION
CALIFORNIA 3 50 HUMBLE ME
FAMILIAR VOTER, CENTRAL
CALIFORNIA CENTRAL. SORRY
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COALITION NATURAL RESOURCES,
DEFENSE COUNCIL AND CENTRAL
CALIFORNIA ASTHMA.
COLLABORATIVE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. GOVERNMENT COALITION FOR
CLEAN AIR AND SUPPORT. FAR TO
MICHAEL'S, A BEAR WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT, ARE
THERE WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION?
JUST A REMINDER TWO MINUTES EACH
UP TO TWO MINUTES EACH. HMM GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR. RIVAS MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS TOM
JORDAN'S AND WITH THE SAME
JOAQUIN VALLEY AIR POLLUTION
CONTROL DISTRICT. AND WE MUST
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED A B 985 AND
THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED
FOR OUR MISSION REDUCTION CREDIT
PROGRAM THAT CHANGES PROPOSED BY
THIS BILL THREATENED THE
DISTRICT'S ABILITY TO CONTINUE
TO ISSUE PERMITS TO ESSENTIAL
PUBLIC SERVICES, INCLUDING
HOSPITALS, WASTEWATER TREATMENT
FACILITIES, CAMPUS FACILITIES.
AH ELECTRIC GENERATION AND FOR
EXPANDED BUSINESSES. OVER THE
DECADES, THE DISTRICT HAS
ADOPTED NEARLY 650 RULES AND
REGULATIONS THAT ARE REDUCED
STATIONARY SOURCE EMISSIONS BY
ABOUT 90. THE DISTRICT HAS
SIGNIFICANT AIR QUALITY
CHALLENGES IN THIS WORK
CONTINUES. WE CONTINUE TO
REEVALUATE THOSE RULES AND
TIGHTEN THEM. AND AS A MATTER OF
FACT, CARB U. S. C. P A. AND A
THREE JUDGE PANEL OF ALL FOUND
THERE ARE RULES ARE THE MOST
STRINGENT RULES IN THE COUNTRY.
WHEN SOMEONE REQUESTS A
PERMANENT THE AIR DISTRICT THEY
COME IN, AND THE VERY FIRST
THING WE DO IS WE CAN WE COMPARE
THEIR PROJECT TO THOSE RULES
THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED? SO WE GO
EQUIPMENT BY EQUIPMENT AND MAKE
SURE WHATEVER THEY'RE STALLING
AT MEETS THOSE STANDARDS AND
BECAUSE OF OUR AIR QUALITY
CHALLENGES, THOSE ARE THE MOST
STRINGENT CHALLENGES IN THE
COUNTRY. THE NEXT STEP WE TAKE
IS WE COMPARE THEIR PROJECT ANY
PROJECT KNOWN ANYWHERE. AND SEE
IF ANYBODY'S INSTALLED EQUIPMENT
THAT'S CLEANER THAN THAT. OR IF
THERE'S EQUIPMENT THAT HAS BEEN
DEVELOPED, IT'S CLEANER THAN
THAT. IT'S CALLED BEST AVAILABLE
CONTROL TECHNOLOGY. IF SOMEONE
ELSE IS USED THAT EQUIPMENT
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO INSTALL IT,
NO MATTER WHAT THE COST IS THE
VERY LAST STEP IN THE PERMITTING
PROCESS REQUIRES UNDER BOTH
FEDERAL LAW AND STATE LAW THAT
THE SOURCES OFFSET ANY EMISSIONS
THAT ARE LEFT AFTER THEY'VE
INSTALLED ALL THAT THOSE CONTROL
EQUIPMENT AND THAT'S WHERE OUR
MISSION REDUCTION CREDITS COME
INTO PLAY. IN THE SAN JOAQUIN
VALLEY. BECAUSE OF OUR
CHALLENGES, SOURCES ARE REQUIRED
TO OFFSET THEIR EMISSIONS AT A
RATE OF 1.5 TO 1. SO THEY HAVE
TO OVER OFFSET THE EMISSIONS
THAT THEY CREATE. THERE ARE
THREE BASIC PROVISIONS OF THIS
BUILDING. CREATE PROBLEMS ONE
AND I UNDERSTAND THIS MAY BE
AMENDMENT YOU'RE TAKING. THE
BILL PROPOSES AN ARBITRARY TIME
FRAME FOR ER SIX TO EXPIRE FROM
OTHER THAT COMES FROM OTHER
STATES. THIS IGNORES IS THAT IN
LOOKING AT THIS 30 SECONDS THIS
PROGRAM IF I MAY, I'M GOING TO
TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF MY
COLLEAGUES TIME AND THEN LET HIM
FINISH. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.
THANKS IT'S A VERY COMPLEX
ISSUE. I APOLOGIZE, UM, 2.5
MINUTES. UM IN CALIFORNIA. IT
DOESN'T LOOK AT THE FACT THAT IN
CALIFORNIA OUR PROGRAM IS MORE
STRANGE THAN OTHER STATES. WE
REQUIRE OFFSETS FOR SOURCES THAT
AREN'T REQUIRED TO GET FEDERAL
PERMITS, SO WE REQUIRE ACROSS
THE BOARD OFFSETS. THAT'S WHERE
THE EQUIVALENCY SYSTEM COMES
INTO PLAY. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO
THE SOUND WALKING VALLEY.
ANOTHER NUMBER OF THEIR
DISTRICTS IN CALIFORNIA USED
THAT SYSTEM. I MEAN, CARB DID DO
AN ANALYSIS OF OUR SYSTEM, AND
THERE WERE SOME POLICY DECISIONS
THAT WERE MADE IN THE PAST.
INCLUDING A COUPLE OF THE
EMISSION REDUCTIONS FROM
ELECTRIFICATION AND OTHER THINGS
THAT CAR BASKETS TO TAKE OUT. WE
ACTUALLY WENT TO OUR BOARD LAST
MONTH AND MADE ALL THOSE CHANGES
TO OUR PROGRAMS. THE REVIEW OF
THE AUDIT DID NOT CALL INTO
QUESTION THE ER SIX THAT WERE
BANKED. UM IN IN ADDITION, UM
THIS BILL ASKED THAT FOR OUR
OTHER BANKS THAT IT BE SWITCHED
TO A FEDERAL PROGRAM WHERE
ADMISSION REDUCTION CREDITS ARE
REDUCED AT THE TIME ABUSE. THIS
IGNORES THE FACT THAT IN THESE
OTHER BANKS, WE ACTUALLY EXCEEDS
FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE
REQUIRE OFFSETS OF MORE SOURCES
THAN ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE
FEDERAL PROGRAM, SO THAT WOULD
ACTUALLY BE A LESS STRINGENT
PROGRAM. UM. IN CONJUNCTION
THOSE TWO PROVISIONS EXPIRING
THE TIMEFRAME OF CREDITS AND
THEN THE DISCOUNTED TIME ABUSE,
GIVEN THE SCARCITY OF CREDS IN
THE VALLEY, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE
TO EXCEED OUR REGULATIONS TO
GENERATE NEW CREDITS. IT WOULD
IT WOULD MAKE CREDIT SO SCARCE
WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ISSUE ANY
NEW PERMITS. AND THAT'S WHY WE
SAY IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO
PERMIT THESE OTHER FACILITIES.
ADDITIONALLY THERE IS A
REQUIREMENT TO A LOOK BACK FOUR
MINUTES ALREADY. ALL OF OUR
PERMITS. UM AIR B IS COMING IN
ALL THESE PROJECTS IN THE PAST.
UH THIS LOOK BACK AT OUR
PROJECTS THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN
AND WOULD BE EXTREMELY TIME
CONSUMING AND LIKELY WOULDN'T
RESULT IN ANY NEW MISSION
REDUCTIONS. WE RESPECT THE
OPPOSED THE BILL. OKAY YOU'RE AT
VERY BRIEF COMMENT. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS A LOT OF TIME. WE VERY
MUCH APPRECIATE THAT BRENDAN TO
WORK ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
AIR POLLUTION CONTROL OFFICERS
ASSOCIATION. THAT'S EXECUTIVE
OFFICERS FROM ALL 35 LOCAL AIR
DISTRICTS. ONE THING I WANT, I
DID WANT TO POINT OUT FOR
CONTEXT IS THAT MOBILE SOURCES
ACCOUNT FOR 85. OF THE EMISSIONS
IN THE VALLEY, GIVE OR TAKE,
DEPENDING ON THE ON THE
POLLUTANT AND STATIONARY SOURCES
ARE 15% SO I WANT YOU TO THINK
ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF THAT IS
THAT AIR DISTRICTS ARE DOING ALL
THEY CAN TO GET REDUCTIONS, BUT
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO
THE FASTEST WAY TO BE GETTING
REDUCTIONS IN CLEANING THE AIR
IN THE VALLEY IS IN AND OTHER
AIR DISTRICTS IS TO BE
INCENTIVIZING. CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION SO WE CAN GET
THEM FASTER. AND ALSO WE OBJECT
TO THE PRECEDENT THAT THIS SETS
AS WELL. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR
, ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. AFTERNOON MADAM
CHAIR AND WE APOLOGIZE. SEVERAL
MAY NOT BE NOTED IN THE ANALYSIS
, BUT WE ARE HEARING OPPOSITION
TAYLOR ROSHAN ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA ONE THAT COMMISSION
CUTTING JENNERS AND GROWERS
ASSOCIATION. WESTERN EGG
PROCESSORS. AFRICAN AMERICAN
FARMERS IN CALIFORNIA,
CALIFORNIA WOMEN FOR AGRICULTURE
. CALIFORNIA FRESH FRUIT
ASSOCIATION FOR WEST EQUIPMENT
DEALERS, NEW S¼ FARMERS LEAGUE
AND WESTERN PLANT HEALTH AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. CHAIR MEMBERS, DEAN TALLY
WITH THE CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURERS AND TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED. HELLO ADA WELDER ON
BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES IN THE
RURAL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES OF
CALIFORNIA AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. GET UP MAN CHAIR AND
MEMBERS VICTORIA RODRIGUEZ BEEN
NIELSEN MARKS MORE ON BEHALF OF
THE MILK PRODUCERS, COUNCIL AND
OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON K¾T
LITTLE WITH CALIFORNIA FARM
BUREAU IN OPPOSITION. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM. TURN MEMBERS
TRICIA GEHRINGER WITH
AGRICULTURAL COUNCIL OF
CALIFORNIA RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED.
GOOD AFTERNOON, ERIN NORWOOD ON
BEHALF OF THE ALMOND ALLIANCE.
ALSO IN RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION.
THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS PALMIERO, REPRESENTING
THE WESTERN STATES PETROLEUM
ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION. ON A
FERREIRA ON BEHALF OF THE WINE
INSTITUTE. IN OPPOSITION. IS HIS
FAMILY WAS SHOCKED BETTER.
ANDRUS MAZARIN LANG ON BEHALF OF
THE BORDER SUPERVISORS OF FRESNO
, MADERA, MERCED, SAN JOAQUIN
AND STANISLAUS COUNTY AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT. WE'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WAR. THANK YOU
GUYS WANT TO THANK YOU, DOCTOR
RAMBLE TO BRING THIS FOR. I KNOW
THIS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF
YOUR PRIORITIES, PASSION ISSUES,
CERTAINLY SENDING FROM YOUR WORK
IN COMMUNITY HEALTH IN THE
VALLEY AND DISPARATE IMPACT THAT
WE SEE FOR MANY OF YOUR
RESIDENTS AND THE SOURCES THAT
REALLY ALIGNS FROM I THINK
THROUGH THE WORK THAT YOU'RE
DOING RIGHT NOW, AND THEY HAVE
DONE IN THE LAST SESSION AS
WELL, TRYING TO REALLY PUSH FOR
REFORMS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO, UM
MORE FAIRLY ACHIEVE. THOSE
BETTER. HEALTH OUTCOMES IS
REALLY THE INTENT OF THIS BILL.
I KNOW. SHOULD THIS BE ABLE TO
MOVE FORWARD WILL BE MORE
EMPOWERED TO BE ABLE TO WORK
WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO BE ABLE
TO ACHIEVE THAT. SO MANAGER
HAPPY TO MOVE THE BILL AND THANK
YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK ON
THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS. THANK
YOU. MY QUESTION GOES. TO THERE
ARE AIRPORT FOLKS, I JUST WANTED
TO MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU, RIGHT.
YOU'RE SAYING 85% OF THE WHAT
WAS BAD AREA THAT WE'RE GETTING
IN THE VALLEY IS COMING FROM
OTHER SOURCES FROM OUTSIDE IS
THAT IS THAT CORRECT? UM,
ACTUALLY, THE STATISTIC WAS 85%
AND IT'S IN PARTICULAR. IT'S THE
NOX EMISSIONS WHICH DRIVE OUR
OZONE FORMATION AND P
INFORMATION IN THE VALLEY IS
FROM MOBILE SOURCES. SO THAT
WOULD BE CARS, TRUCKS OPERATE
EQUIPMENT, THINGS THAT ARE UNDER
THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY OF THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE E P
A. SO AS YOU GUYS ARE GOING OUT
TRYING TO DO THESE PROGRAMS
TRYING TO REDUCE EMISSIONS. 85%
OF THE SOURCES. YOU CAN'T TOUCH.
THAT'S CORRECT ARE ARE ONLY
LEVER TO GET EMISSION REDUCTIONS
FROM THOSE CATEGORIES IS THROUGH
INCENTIVE PROGRAMS AND, UH THEIR
DISTRICTS ARE OFTEN IN FRONT OF
THE STATE LEGISLATURE LOOKING TO
GENERATE RESOURCES FOR THAT
PURPOSE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI.
THANK YOU, DOCTOR. ARAMBULA YOU
KNOW, I MEAN, WE ALL APPRECIATE
HOW YOU'VE BEEN CHAMPIONING THIS
ISSUE FOR YEARS TO STAND UP FOR
YOUR COMMUNITIES, BUT IT DOESN'T
MAKE ME A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT
YOU KNOW ARE A Q MDS THROUGHOUT
THE STATE ARE ARE SAYING THAT
THIS IS THE WRONG APPROACH,
ESPECIALLY HEARD THE COMMENT
ABOUT HOW THEY'RE ISSUING
PERMITS FOR YOUR HOSPITALS. AND
I KNOW AS A PHYSICIAN THAT THAT
THAT'S GOT TO BE CLOSE TO YOUR
HEART. CAN CAN YOU CAN YOU HELP
ME? I FEEL, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS MY
DISCOMFORT HERE. I BELIEVE IT'S
IMPORTANT. THAT CREDITS WHICH
WERE GIVEN WERE DESERVED, AND
THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE A
TRANSPARENT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE ARE EVALUATING THOSE
CREDITS TO ENSURE THAT THEIR
VALID WHAT WE FOUND FROM THE
AUDIT OF THE FIRST TWO BANKS IS
THAT MANY OF THOSE CREDITS DID
NOT HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT
APPROPRIATELY ALLOWED US TO HAVE
CONFIDENCE THAT THEY WERE
VALIDATED AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN
GIVEN BECAUSE OF THAT.
ULTIMATELY THE STANDARD WAS
CHANGED TO WHAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT PREFERS, WHICH IS
TIME OF USE VERSUS TIME OF
ISSUANCE AND WOULD ASK FOR US TO
CONTINUE EVALUATING THE
REMAINING EIGHT BANKS. TO ENSURE
THAT WE HAVE VALIDITY WITHIN
THOSE BANKS AS WELL. OKAY ANY
OTHER ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BIRTH ARE
YOU? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I
MEAN, I, UM I SAID, I SHARE THE
CONCERN ABOUT THE AIR DISTRICTS
HAVING SUCH CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, I UM, YOU KNOW, PRACTICE
A LOT BEFORE THE SOUTH COAST OF
QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND
I THINK THERE REALLY ARE. YOU
KNOW? THE LEVEL OF EXPERTISE
THERE IS VERY HIGH. UM. AND SO
IT MAKES ME REALLY NERVOUS. CAN
YOU? CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT HOW THIS DOESN'T SORT
OF DISRUPT? NEW SOURCE REVIEW
RULES AND HOW THAT WOULD WHAT
WOULD HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THIS
IS IT? IS IT JUST AN AUDIT OF
THE CREDITS? I MEAN, WHAT
HAPPENS? WHAT WHAT HAPPENS TO
THE CURRENT SET OF RULES THAT
GUIDE. UM THE GUIDE, NEWS
SOURCES AND ALL THESE AIR
DISTRICTS. ORIGINALLY WHEN THEY
LOOKED AT, UM KNOX AND DOCS.
THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE
THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH
DOCUMENTATION FORUM BECAUSE OF
THAT THEY THEN INVALIDATED A
NUMBER OF CREDITS AFTER THEY
USED INVALIDATED THOSE CREDITS.
THEY RAN THE DISTRICTS
EQUIVALENCY STUDY AND COULDN'T
MAKE THE MATH WORK OUT. THEY
COULDN'T SHOW THAT IT WAS
EQUIVALENT TO WORK BETTER THAN
IF WE WOULD USE TIME OF USE AND
SO CARVED DECIDED TO GO TO TIME
OF USE, AND I BELIEVE IT'S
IMPORTANT TO THEN SHOW THAT IT
WAS 18% OF THE CREDITS AFTER
THAT SHIFT TO TIME OF USE, WHICH
WERE ALLOWED TO BE CONTINUED.
NOW THAT DOESN'T PROHIBIT ANY
ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD LIKE TO
START TO PURCHASE THOSE CREDITS
. IT JUST MEANS THAT WE HAVE THE
RIGHT NUMBER OF CREDITS OUT IN
THE SYSTEM BECAUSE WE HAVE THE
VALIDATION FROM THE PAPERWORK
AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING AFTER
LOOKING AT WHAT CARB DID IS OVER
. 50% OF THE CREDITS DIDN'T HAVE
THE DOCUMENTATION WHEN WE
EVALUATED. IT WAS ALSO 29% THAT
HAD BEEN GRANTED IN VIOLATION OF
THE AIR DISTRICTS OAN BANKING
RULE 19% THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED.
THAT HAD BEEN SHIFTED FROM ONE
FACILITY TO ANOTHER AND 8% THAT
LACKED CLARITY ON WHETHER THE
EMISSION REDUCTIONS WERE SURPLUS
. I BELIEVE THAT AUDIT SCREAMS
THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT
THOSE OTHER BANKS AND DETERMINE
WHETHER THERE ARE SIMILAR
CONCERNS AND WOULD THEN UH, MAKE
SURE THAT WE HAVE THE
APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF CREDITS IN
THOSE BANKS GOING FORWARD. IF I
MAY. MADAM SHERIFF, WE COULD
HAVE AN ANSWER FROM JUST HOLD ON
. SORRY WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR
30 SECONDS? JUST THREE QUICK
THINGS ONE. EVERY ONE OF THESE
CREDITS IS PUBLICLY NOTICED WHEN
THEY'RE ISSUED. THEY'RE ALSO
NOTICED WHEN THEY'RE USED IN EPA
AND AIR B COMMENT ON EVERY TIME
AN EMISSION REDUCTION CREDIT IS
USED. UM SECOND CARB MADE
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR PROGRAM
. CARB DIDN'T CHOOSE TO GO AWAY
FROM DISCOUNT AT GO TO DISCOUNT
AT TIME OF USE THE FEDERAL
SYSTEM WE ACTUALLY DID THAT THEY
TOOK THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND
WE CHANGED OUR PROGRAM AND WE
LOOKED AT THE RECOMMENDATION
THEY MADE TO SHORE UP OUR
DOCUMENTATION AND DID THAT
ACROSS ALL OF OUR BANKS. WE
DIDN'T JUST STOP AT DOCS AND
KNOCKS SO THE WORK HAS ALREADY
BEEN DONE TO MAKE THE OTHER
BANKS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT AIR B
WAS ASKING FOR. UM MADAM CHAIR.
IF I CAN, THEN WHAT'S TO FEAR
ABOUT STUDYING AND AUDITING AND
ENSURING THAT THOSE BANKS ARE
CONSISTENT WITH IF YOU'VE
ALREADY DONE THE HARD WORK TO,
UM, LISTEN TO CARB. WHY ARE WE
AFRAID OF STUDYING AND LOOKING
AT THOSE OTHER BANKS TEST? ONE
MORE QUESTION. SO IS THIS JUST A
UNAUDITED A STUDY? I MEAN, DOES
IT CHANGE THE RULES, OR IS IT
WE'RE LEARNING FROM THIS, AND
THEN IT GUIDES FUTURE ACTION ON
THE CREDITS. IT INSTRUCTS CARB
TO MAKE A DETERMINATION BASED ON
WHAT IT FINDS. SIMILAR TO WHAT
OCCURRED PRIOR AND BELIEVE THAT
IF ULTIMATELY, THEY INSIST, ASK
FORCE. THE DISTRICT TO BE ABLE
TO GO TO TIME OF USE THAT WHAT
WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IS ENSURING
THAT THESE CREDITS ARE REAL AND
THAT THEY'RE VALID WHEN WE HAVE
THE WORST AIR BASE IN IN
AMERICA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
APPRECIATE IT ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? MADAM SHERIFF
, WE CAN JUST GET A LITTLE MORE
FROM THE OPPOSITION BECAUSE THIS
IS WAY MORE TIME THAN I'VE EVER
GIVEN ANYONE IN OPPOSITION. LAST
THING I'LL SAY IS A VERY
TECHNICAL HOLD ON. LET ME HAVE
GIVEN YOU LIKE 4.5 MINUTES. UM
AND ALSO WE CAN'T CONTINUE GOING
BACK AND FORTH. WE WANT TO MOVE
ON. AND I KNOW THIS IS IMPORTANT
. BUT YOU HAD PLENTY OF TIME AND
YOU USED WAY. MORE 5.5 MINUTES.
UM, THE SUPPORT DIDN'T GET THAT
MUCH. SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU
KNOW I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE
BACK AND FORTH. THE ONLY ONE
OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS,
THE BILL REQUIRES A LOOK BACK AT
ALL. THE PERMITS HAVE BEEN
ISSUED AT THE AIR DISTRICT,
WHICH IS OVER 10,000 PIECES OF
EQUIPMENT. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE
PIECE THAT'S EXTREMELY COST
COSTLY AND IT'S NOT LIKELY TO
LEAD TO ANY EMISSION REDUCTIONS
. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO
GIVEN THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE
BEEN RAISED IN THE AIR BASE AND
THAT, UM, WE SUPPORT THIS. I DO
. I DO HAVE RESPECT FOR THE AIR
DISTRICT. BUT I THINK THIS IS
ISOLATED SAN JOAQUIN, YOU'VE GOT
THE YOU'VE GOT CARB. INVOLVED IN
THIS AS WELL. THAT IS A
REGULATORY AGENCY. THAT IS, UM
YOU KNOW THAT IS MEASURED AND
THOUGHTFUL AND BASED ON FACTS,
SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE
MEASURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
YOU HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S, UH, ATIS,
SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
PELLERIN. UH I'M IN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS MEASURE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN I VOTE.
THANKS SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL.
THE ROLL MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO.
APPROPRIATIONS RIVAS. I FLORA.
ADDIS ADDIS I. FRIEDMAN. HOOVER.
MATHIS. MATHIS. NO MARTUCCI.
MURATSUCHI. AYE, PELLERIN.
PELLERIN. I WARD WARD. I WOULD.
WOULD I SPUR? AYE. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR. THAT BILL HAS SEVEN
VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. NEXT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WICKS. A B 13
19. THANK YOU. GREAT CAN WE HAVE
A MOTION AND A SECOND? PERFECT
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND
THANK YOU FOR YOUR STAFF FOR
THEIR WORK ON THIS BABY 13 19
AND NEXT TARGETED MODIFICATIONS
TO STATE LAW GOVERNING THE BAY
AREA HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY,
ALSO KNOWN AS BOPHA. THIS WAS
PASSING SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL
IN 2019 BY OUR DEAR FRIEND,
FORMER HOUSING CHAIR DAVID SHOE
OF WHICH I WAS A PROUD CO
AUTHOR. IT HELPS TO CREATE OR IT
IT WAS CREATED TO HELP THE BAY
AREA TAKE A REGIONAL APPROACH TO
HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. BOPHA IS
GOVERNED BY MTC AND A BAG WHO
ARE THE SPONSORS OF THIS BILL
AND GETTING BACK UP AND RUNNING.
THEY AND PARTNERS IN THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY
NOTICED THAT THERE WERE A
HANDFUL OF PLACES WHERE THE LAW
LACKED CLARITY AND MADE
IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGING OR
DIDN'T REFLECT THE RECENT
EVOLUTION IN BEST PRACTICES,
SUCH AS THE HOMELESSNESS
PREVENTION TECHNIQUES WE LEARNED
DURING THE PANDEMIC. THE BILL
INCLUDES THE MODIFICATIONS
NECESSARY TO ADDRESS THE
EXISTING ISSUES ONE SUCH AS YOU
, AND THE REASON WE'RE IN THIS
COMMITTEE IS TO EXEMPT BAFTAS
FINANCE RELATED ADMINISTRATIVE
ACTIONS FROM SEQUA. THIS
PROVISION IS SIMILAR TO THE
LONGSTANDING EXEMPTION FROM THE
SAME ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE
STATE'S DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING
AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THIS
EXEMPTION DOES NOT APPLY TO THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT
PROJECTS THAT BOFA'S ACTIONS MAY
SUPPORT THE LEAD AGENCY FOR
SEQUA FOR SUCH PROJECTS WOULD
HAVE THEIR ROLE WOULD BE THE
RELEVANT CITY OR COUNTY HERE
WITH ME TO TALK ABOUT THE BILL
AND TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF JULIE
SNYDER, PRINCIPAL LEGISLATIVE
ADVOCATE FOR MTC AND A BAG
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR MY VOTE.
MADAM CHAIR. REMEMBER MEMBERS
JULIE SNYDER WITH MTC IN A BAG
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND
NOTING THAT THE BILL HAS BEEN
ALREADY MOVED. I'LL JUST ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE, AND I'M HERE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
. MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS
GRACIE, LIKE I SEE UKRAINE'S
HERE ON BEHALF OF ALL HOME AND
BEHALF OF SP SILICON VALLEY
ACTION FUND AND ON BEHALF OF
ENTERPRISE, COMMUNITY PARTNERS
AND STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
MADAM CHAIR NICCOLO DI LUCA ON
BEHALF OF NON PROFIT HOUSING OF
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AND STRONG
SUPPORT. MICHAEL NAME WAS
SPURNED STRONG SUPPORT. THANK
YOU ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? SEE NONE. ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. OKAY SEE YOU.
NONE WE HAVE A MOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S AT A SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR MY VOTE. THANK YOU.
SECRETARY PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL
MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS. I
FLORA. ADDIS ADDIS, I. FRIEDMAN
HOOVER. MATHIS. SUKI SUKI, I
PELLERIN. WARD. WOULD. WOULD I
EVER AYE. THAT BILL HAS FIVE
VOLTS WILL LEAVE IT ON CALL.
THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ALVAREZ. IS HE
IN THE ROOM? HAVE ANY AUTHOR.
OKAY? WE'RE WAITING FOR AUTHORS
. WE HAVE ALVAREZ. REYES AND
GARCIA. I KNOW I'M GONNA.
NO. AND YOU GO. OKAY, WE'LL GO
WITH ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI. BUT THIS IS ITEM.
ITEM FOUR. YOU'RE DOING A B
NINE. YEAH. YOU'RE READY.
A B NINE BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
MURATSUCHI WHENEVER YOU'RE READY
, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM
CHAIR. I AM HERE TO PRESENT A B
NINE, WHICH IS A TRANSPARENCY
MEASURE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
CAP AND TRADE SYSTEM IS WORKING
AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING.
THIS BILL IS BASED ON
RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINDINGS OF
THE LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S OFFICE
AS WELL AS THE INDEPENDENT
EMISSIONS MARKET ADVISORY
COMMITTEE, OF WHICH WE HAVE TWO
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HERE TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF THIS
MEASURE. THE RECENT L. A A
REPORT ON THE 2022 SCOPING PLAN
UPDATE CLEARLY, STATES WE FIND
THAT CAP AND TRADE IS NOT
CURRENTLY POSITIONED TO ENSURE
THE STATE MEETS ITS 2030 GHD
GOAL. THE PROGRAM IS NOT
STRINGENT ENOUGH TO DRIVE THE
ADDITIONAL EMISSION REDUCTIONS
NEEDED BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE
THAN ENOUGH ALLOWANCES OR
POLLUTION CREDITS AVAILABLE FOR
THE ENTITIES TO CONTINUE TO
ADMIT AT LEVELS EXCEEDING THE
2030 TARGET. SIMPLY THIS MEASURE
IS NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE A PUBLIC ACCOUNTING OF ALL
THE POLLUTION CREDITS, AS WELL
AS THE CARBON OFFSETS IN ORDER
TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CAP AND
TRADE SYSTEM IS WORKING AS IT'S
SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING HERE TO
TESTIFY AND SUPPORT OF THIS
MEASURE IS CAITLIN RUDNER WITH
THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND
AND DANNY CULLEN WARD. WITH
CARBON AMERICAN UNIVERSITY. WITH
AMERICAN UNIVERSITY. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
CAITLIN RUNNER CENTER,
CALIFORNIA DIRECTOR FOR
ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND, ALSO
A MEMBER OF THE MAC, THOUGH
THESE COMMENTS REFLECT
ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND'S
POSITION TODAY, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND SUPPORT OF
A B NINE. CALIFORNIA'S CAP AND
TRADE PROGRAM IS AN ESSENTIAL
PART OF THE SUITE OF CLIMATE
POLICIES THE STATE RELIES ON TO
MEET ITS GREENHOUSE GAS
REDUCTION GOALS. PRECISELY
BECAUSE OF ITS IMPORTANCE TO
CALIFORNIA SUCCESSES. ACCLIMATE
LEADER IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE
PROGRAM BE DESIGNED TO ENSURE
THE STATE CAN ACTUALLY MEET ITS
GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION GOALS.
AND THAT'S WHERE A B NINE COMES
IN FIRST BY ENSURING THAT THE
CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD
UPDATES THE PROGRAM BASED ON THE
FINAL 2022 SCOPING PLAN. NO
LATER THAN JANUARY. 1ST 2025.
THIS IS A TIMELINE THAT CARB HAS
ALREADY COMMITTED TO, BUT I'M
SURE WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED
THAT MANY AGENCIES THAT THESE
SORT OF TIMELINES CAN EASILY
SLIP SO WE URGENTLY NEED TO
ENSURE THAT THE CAP AND TRADE
PROGRAM IS FIT TO HELP DELIVER
THE REDUCTIONS THE SCOPING PLAN
FINDS WE NEED BY 2030. IN ORDER
TO BE ON TRACK TO ACHIEVE NET
ZERO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY
2045. THE SECOND WAY 89 WILL
HELP ENSURE THE PROGRAM WILL
SUPPORT CALIFORNIA MEETING ITS
GOALS IS BY CREATING A TRIANGLE
PROGRAM REVIEW. THIS IS MEANT TO
BE A REGULAR PREDICTABLE
OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW KEY
ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM AND
ENSURE THAT IT REMAINS FIT FOR
PURPOSE OF ACHIEVING OUR GOALS.
THAT THE PROGRAM IS ADAPTING TO
SCIENTIFIC ADVANCES AND ADAPTIVE
LEE RESPONDING TO NEW DATA AND
INFORMATION. THINK OF IT THIS
WAY. HOPEFULLY WE ALL GO TO THE
DOCTOR EVERY YEAR FOR A CHECKUP.
WHETHER WE ARE SICK OR NOT. THE
DOCTOR TAKES OUR BREAD. PLEASURE
PROBABLY TELLS US WE NEED TO
EXERCISE MORE AND WE GO ON OUR
WAY. IF THERE'S A CONCERN,
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE
IT WITH THE DOCTOR. IF YOUR
DOCTOR HAS CONCERNS, SHE CAN
BRING THEM UP WITH YOU AND THE
AND IF THEY FIND SOMETHING THAT
IS THE TIME TO ADDRESS IT. THE
TRIANGLE PROGRAM REVIEW IS THIS
REGULAR PHYSICAL FOR CAP AND
TRADE. THE REGIONAL GREENHOUSE
GAS INITIATIVE, EUROPEAN UNION
EMISSIONS TRADING SYSTEM AND THE
WASHINGTON STATE CAPITAL INVEST
PROGRAM ALL HAVE OR IN
WASHINGTON'S CASE WILL SOON HAVE
SOME FORM OF PROGRAM REVIEWS. E
B NINE IS MEANT TO ENSURE THE
PROGRAM IS AND REMAINS FIT FOR
PURPOSE, INCLUDING ENSURING THE
LEVEL OF AMBITION IS ALIGNED
WITH OUR GREENHOUSE GAS GOALS.
AND WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR I VOTE. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS DANNY COLLINWOOD. I'M A
RESEARCHER WITH AMERICAN
UNIVERSITY AND I'M THE SENATE'S
APPOINTEE TO THE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE. MY COLLEAGUE CAITLIN
REFERENCED ALLOWED IN THE
INTEREST OF TIME JUST TO KEEP
THINGS SHORT. IT'S BEEN SIX
YEARS SINCE THE LAST CAP AND
TRADE REGULATORY PROCESS WAS
IMPLEMENTED. THERE'S BEEN A LOT
OF INFORMATION IDENTIFIED BY THE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE SET UP BY THE
2017 EXTENSION BILL. THAT
SUGGESTS THERE ARE ISSUES THAT
NEED TO BE WORKED ON THOSE
CONCERNS HAVE BEEN CORROBORATED
IN INDEPENDENT ACADEMIC STUDIES
AND BY THE LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S
OFFICE REPORTS. WE HAVE LOTS OF
GOOD INFORMATION THAT SUGGESTS
THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE TO MAKE
THIS PROGRAM STRONGER AND TO
CONTRIBUTE TO GETTING THE STATE
ON TRACK FOR ITS EXISTING GOALS.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE, IN ADDITION TO
CREATING PREDICTABILITY WITH THE
SCHEDULE IS THAT THIS DOESN'T
PRESCRIBE PARTICULAR OUTCOMES
THAT SIMPLY IDENTIFIES A PROCESS
AND A SET OF CONCERNS THAT HAVE
BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED BY THE
BODIES AND STUDIES REFERENCED.
BE DELIGHTED TO ANSWER ANY
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. YOU MIGHT
HAVE RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
. SECURE CARTER ON BEHALF OF
SIERRA CLUB, CALIFORNIA IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANKS. FOR
SILKY DOSE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
OF SANTA MONICA AND SUPPORT
JANET CARTER FOR CLIMATE ACTION,
CALIFORNIA THANK YOU, MR
BREWSTER THOÁT. NEXT. ARE THERE
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. SEE
NONE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS? OKAY WE
HAVE EMOTION. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ADDED A SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PER. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. I WOULD WELCOME ANY AND
ALL CO AUTHORS TO THIS BILL
RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR I VOTE.
THANK YOU. SECRETARY PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
TO APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS.
I FLORA. ADDIS ADDIS, I.
FRIEDMAN HOOVER. MATHIS. MERIT
SUKI, I PELLERIN. PELLERIN. I
WARD WOULD WOULD I? BIRTH BIRTH?
AYE. THAT BILL HAS SIX VOTES
WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
QUÊ. NEXT. WE'LL GO BACK TO SIGN
AN ORDER SINCE WE HAVE AUTHORS
IN THE ROOM. UM, NEXT ON THE
LIST WAS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ALVAREZ A B 6 78.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
COME BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT A
B 6 78. COLLEAGUES IN 2018, THE
LEGISLATURE AUTHORIZED THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION TO CONSIDER ADOPTING
BIO METHANE PROCUREMENT TARGETS
OR GOALS FOR UTILITY COMPANIES,
RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE THAT
BIO METHANE WILL PLAY IN THE
STATES NET ZERO EMISSION GOALS.
SINCE THEN, THE PUC HAS SAID
PROCUREMENT STANDARDS FOR GAS
UTILITIES, WHICH WILL DISPLAY
SOME OF THE FOSSIL FUEL NATURAL
GAS THAT UTILITIES CURRENTLY
SUPPLIED TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. AS
MANY OF YOU KNOW, BIO METHANE IS
A GAS PRODUCED FROM BIOMASS
WASTE, SUCH AS DECAYING ORGANIC
MATTER LIKE WASTEWATER
TREATMENT. SLUDGE FOOD WASTE
ANIMAL MANURE, LANDFILL GAS DEAD
TREES THAT CAN BE USED TO CREATE
NEW ENERGY, RENEWABLE ENERGY.
IMPORTANTLY BIO METHANE CAN BE
USED INTERCHANGEABLY WITH
CONVENTIONAL NATURAL NATURAL GAS
. THE NEED FOR MANY CHANGES IN
TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION,
INFRASTRUCTURE OR END USER
EQUIPMENT. HOWEVER THE
PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENTS FROM
2018 WHEN THE LEGISLATURE
AUTHORIZES DID DID NOT EXTEND TO
CORE TRANSPORT AGENTS. WHICH ARE
NON UTILITY GAS SUPPLIERS THAT
PURCHASED GAS ON BEHALF OF THE
RESIDENTIAL AND SMALL COMMERCIAL
AND USE CUSTOMERS SORT OF LIKE
THE CIA EQUIVALENT OR COMMUNITY
CHOICE. AGGREGATORS FOR ELECTRIC
CONSUMERS IS ON THE GAS SIDE. AT
ITS CORE 86 78. THIS BILL
SUPPORTS THE STATE'S NET ZERO
EMISSION GOALS AND LEVELS THE
PLAYING FIELD BY REQUIRING THE
CALIFORNIA PUC ALSO CONSIDERED
BIO METHANE PROCUREMENT
STANDARDS FOR CORE TRANSPORT
AGENTS, NOT JUST UTILITIES.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME
RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR I VOTE
AND I HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO
LIKE TO INTRODUCE FOR WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT WITH GOVERNMENT
AFFAIRS MANAGER WITH DANIEL GAS
ELECTRIC AND JULIA WITH
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT BIOENERGY
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA. TAKE
IT AWAY. THANK YOU. CHAIR
MEMBERS. I'M LOURDES. ALIEN WITH
SOCAL GAS. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR CONSIDERING THIS BILL TODAY.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ALSO
THE COMMITTEE'S TIME AND, UH,
ANALYZING THE BILL. THANK YOU.
UH AS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ALVAREZ
MENTIONED, THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE
BILL THAT CLOSES THE LOOPHOLE.
AH ON IN CURRENT LAW RELATED TO
RENEWABLE GAS STANDARD THAT WAS
ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE PASSAGE
OF SB 14 41 WESSEL BILL A FEW
YEARS BACK, AND THAT BILL UH 14
41. THE 40TH. SORRY 14 40. AM I
MY APOLOGIES. 14 40. THANK YOU,
JULIA. THE AUTHORIZED PUC TO
ESTABLISH RENEWABLE GAS STANDARD
FOR ALL NATURAL GAS UTILITIES
DELIVERING NATURAL GAS TO
CALIFORNIA CUSTOMERS, BUT IT
INADVERTENTLY LEFT OUT COURT
TRANSPORT AGENTS AND WE'RE
HOPING THAT, UM, THIS BILL CAN
APPLY THE RENEWABLE GAS
STANDARD. UM. AH RULES TO CTS,
AS THEY HAVE FOR UTILITIES AS
WELL. GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE 11
WITH THE BIOENERGY ASSOCIATION
OF CALIFORNIA WE REPRESENT ABOUT
100 PUBLIC AGENCIES, LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS, NONPROFITS,
COMMUNITY GROUPS AND PRIVATE
COMPANIES THAT ARE WORKING TO
CONVERT ORGANIC WAYS TO MEET THE
STATE'S CLIMATE CHANGE OR
QUALITY AND CLEAN ENERGY GOALS.
I THINK YOU ALL KNOW CLIMATE
SCIENCE IS VERY CLEAR NOW THAT
THE MOST URGENT THING WE CAN DO
TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE IS TO
REDUCE SHORT LIVED CLIMATE
POLLUTANTS, PARTICULARLY METHANE
AND BLACK CARBON, WHICH ARE
OVERWHELMINGLY EMITTED FROM
ORGANIC WASTE. METHANE FROM
LANDFILLS, WASTEWATER TREATMENT
FACILITIES, DAIRIES AND COMPOST
FACILITIES AND BLACK CARBON FROM
BURNING EITHER WILDFIRES OR
CONTROLLED BURNS OF FOREST AND
AGRICULTURAL WASTE, AND WE CAN
REDUCE ALL OF THESE SOURCES OF
SHORT LIVED CLIMATE POLLUTANTS
BY CONVERTING THAT WAYS TO BIO
METHANE AND HYDROGEN BACK TO
THEIR EARLIER BILL. MORE THAN
80% OF OUR BLACK, CARBON AND
METHANE COME FROM ORGANIC WASTE
. THIS BILL WILL HELP TO REDUCE
SHORT LIVED CLIMATE POLLUTANTS
WILL HELP TO PROTECT AIR QUALITY
BY PROVIDING LOW CARBON AND
CARBON NEGATIVE BIO METHANE IN
THE PLACE OF FOSSIL FUELS. IT
CAN ALSO PROVIDE CARBON NEGATIVE
EMISSIONS, WHICH ONLY ORGANIC
WASTE TO ENERGY PRODUCTS CAN
PROVIDE, ACCORDING TO THE AIR
RESOURCES BOARD AND THE
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S OFFICE.
THESE INVESTMENTS IN CONVERTING
ORGANIC WASTE TO ENERGY ARE BY
FAR THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE OF
ALL THE STATES CLIMATE
INVESTMENTS, AND AS I SAID, THEY
CAN PROVIDE CARBON NEGATIVE
EMISSIONS. UM THE CDC HAS CALLED
FOR INCREASING RENEWABLE GAS,
INCLUDING BIO METHANE. THE AIR
RESOURCES BOARD IN THE 2022
CLIMATE CHANGE SCOPING PLAN
CALLED FOR AN INCREASE IN BIO
METHANE AND OTHER FORMS OF
BIOENERGY AS A WAY TO PROVIDE
CARBON NEGATIVE EMISSIONS AND
REDUCE SHORTLY CLIMATE
POLLUTANTS. SO FOR ALL THESE
REASONS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST
YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. UM ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT OF THE BILL. GOOD
AFTERNOON, BRIDGET MCGOWAN. I'LL
BE HALF OF THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY SANITATION DISTRICTS AND
SUPPORT THANKS. JACKIE HONEST ON
BEHALF THE COALITION FOR
RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS AND
SUPPORT ARE THERE, WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS MICHAEL
BORRADOR ON BEHALF OF THE EGG
ENERGY CONSUMERS ASSOCIATION.
THIS IS NOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE
GOALS OF THE BILL TRYING TO
LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD IS FINE
A LOT OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT
NEEDED TO BE TAKEN WERE TAKEN IN
THE ENERGY COMMITTEE. ONE BIG,
OUTSTANDING ISSUE IT'S
IDENTIFIED. THE ANALYSIS IS ITEM
THREE. SIMPLE STRAIGHTFORWARD
AMENDMENT WOULD REMOVE OUR
OPPOSITION. WE HAVE AN OPPOSING
LESS AMENDED AND THAT AMENDMENT
IS TO SPREAD THE EXISTING
PROCUREMENT TARGETS THAT THE
COMMISSION HAS ALREADY
ESTABLISHED TO INCLUDE NOT JUST
THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES,
BUT ALSO THE CTS. THE OTHER
ALTERNATIVE, WHICH THE BILL
LEAVES OPEN IS TO ACTUALLY
INCREASE PROCUREMENT THAT WOULD
ADD COSTS FOR CONSUMERS. WE ALL
SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH NATURAL
GAS RATES. THEY SPIKED. THE
COMMISSION HAS ALREADY
ESTABLISHED A VERY AGGRESSIVE.
BIO METHANE PROCUREMENT TARGET
WERE SAYING JUST SPREAD THAT
EVENLY TO ALL THE PLAYERS NOW
NOT JUST THE THREE INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITIES RATHER THAN
ADDITIONAL PROCUREMENT WITH THAT
AMENDMENT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO
GO NEUTRAL ON THE BILL. THANK
YOU. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? J REMEMBERS DEAN
TALLY WITH THE CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURERS AND TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION RESPECT THEY POST.
CHRISTINA SURRENDER AT THE
CENTER FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY
AND IN OPPOSITION. WE'LL BRING
IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS JUST
CURIOUS, BECAUSE THAT OPPOSITION
BROUGHT UP A POSSIBLE AMENDMENT.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
SO, UM. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE
TO SAY THAT, UM WE'VE TAKEN
AMENDMENTS ON BILLS TO MOVE
THINGS FORWARD. I AGAIN. WE'LL
CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THAT, UM
ON THE ISSUE OF PROCUREMENT. I
DON'T KNOW IF IT IF THERE'S THE
LEGISLATURE WOULD LIKE TO, UM BE
THE ONE WHO TAKES THE LEAD ON
THAT. THAT'S THAT'S POSSIBLE,
BUT THE COMMISSION COULD AS WELL
I ASSUME THEY COULD TAKE. UM AH.
CREATE NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM
. FOR INCREASED PROCUREMENT IS
THAT RIGHT, CAN YOU MAYBE TALK
ABOUT THAT. THE BILL DOESN'T
REQUIRE AN INCREASE IN
PROCUREMENT. IT JUST ASKED THE
PUC TO CONSIDER IT DOESN'T
ACTUALLY EVEN REQUIRE THAT THE
PUC INCLUDE THIS COURT TRANSPORT
AGENTS. IT JUST IS YOU SHOULD
CONSIDER AND THAT'S WHAT THE
LEGISLATURE TOLD THE PUC TO DO
WITH BIO METHANE PROCUREMENT. I
THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT
THE PUC IS GOING TO MANDATE A
HIGHER PROCUREMENT LEVEL BECAUSE
THE PROGRAM IS STARTING VERY,
VERY SLOWLY AND AS MR BORRADOR
SAID, WE ARE A LONG WAY OFF FROM
THE CURRENT TARGETS. SO I THINK
I THINK THIS IS MORE LEVELING
THE PLAYING FIELD BETWEEN COURT
TRANSPORT AGENTS AND THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES. I
DON'T THINK THE GOAL RIGHT NOW
IS TO INCREASE THE PROCUREMENT
TARGET WHEN WE'RE A LONG WAY OFF
, BUT I THINK IT LEAVES IT UP TO
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
TO FIGURE OUT THE TRADE OFFS AND
THE COST BENEFITS. IT. JUST ASK
THEM TO CONSIDER IT. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
I'LL MOVE THE BILL. THANK YOU.
OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PER SECOND BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, SUPPORT.
THANK YOU, SECRETARY. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE
PAST TWO APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS
RIVAS I FLORA. ADDIS ADDIS I.
FRIEDMAN. HOOVER. MATHIS. BUT
IT'S NOT VOTING. GUCCI.
MURATSUCHI AYE, PELLERIN.
PELLERIN. I WARD WOULD WOULD I
SPUR AYE. THE BILL HAS SIX VOTES
WILL LEAVE IT OPEN UP FOR
ADDITIONAL FOR MEMBERS THAT ARE
ABSENT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR
TIME. OKAY, SO OKAY, SO WE'RE
GONNA MOVE TO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
REYES A B 2 41. I'M SORRY. OKAY.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS.
A B 2 41 WILL MODERNIZE THE
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM AT
THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION
AND THE AIR QUALITY IMPROVEMENT
PROGRAM AT THE CALIFORNIA AIR
RESOURCES BOARD. TO SUPPORT ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLES AND
INFRASTRUCTURE DEPLOYMENT FOR
ALL VEHICLE CLASSES REQUIRE
DEDICATED FUNDING TO LOW INCOME
AND DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES
AND REAUTHORIZED THE FEES THAT
SUPPORT THESE PROGRAMS. AS WE
KNOW THE FUNDING THAT SUPPORTS
THESE PROGRAMS WERE SUNSET
JANUARY 1ST 2024, LEAVING THESE
CRITICAL PROGRAMS UNFUNDED AND
UNABLE TO CONTINUE TO HELP
CALIFORNIANS AND THE
TRANSPORTATION SECTOR WITH THE
PLANNING AND EXECUTION OF R ZERO
EMISSION TRANSITION. A B 2 41
WILL DO A NUMBER OF THINGS
MAINTAIN TECHNOLOGY NEUTRALITY
AMONG ZERO EMISSION FUELS
PRIORITIZE CTP TO ADDRESS THE.
GAPS IN THE LIGHT DUTY ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE
DEPLOYMENT. AND SUPPORT TO
MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE
DEPLOYMENT. REQUIRE 50% OF THE
FUNDING TO GO TOWARDS LOW INCOME
AND DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES
AND REAUTHORIZED THE FEES THAT
SUPPORT THE PROGRAMS. THROUGH
2035 HERE TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT
OF THIS BILL ARE ORVILLE THOMAS
WITH CAL START AND BILL MCGOVERN
WITH THE COALITION FOR CLEAN
AIR. THANK YOU, MR PHRASE THANKS
. COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND CHAIR
ORVILLE THOMAS, STATE POLICY
DIRECTOR FOR CAL START
CALIFORNIA BASED NONPROFIT WITH
OVER 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN
ZERO MISSION, VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY
AND ADMINISTER OF SEVERAL OF THE
STATES. ZEVON'S OF
INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS TALKING
ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CTP
AND THE AIR QUALITY IMPROVEMENT
PROGRAM. THESE HAVE BEEN
FOUNDATIONAL. PROGRAMS TO FUND
OUR STATE'S AMBITIOUS CLIMATE
GOALS AND TRANSITION TO ZEVON'S
HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THE
LAST DECADE. IT'S PROVIDED OVER
$1.5 BILLION. SOME KEY
HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE INSTALLING
APPROXIMATELY OVER 23,000
CHARGERS FOR PLUG IN ELECTRIC
VEHICLES. FUNDING 86 REGIONAL
READINESS PLANNING GRANTS
FUNDING 78 PUBLICLY AVAILABLE
HYDROGEN FUELING STATIONS AND
APPROVING FUNDING FOR AN
ADDITIONAL 74 STATIONS, ALONG
WITH GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAT
WOULD HELP MEET THE STATE'S 200
STATION GOAL. AND WE JUST ASK
THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER THIS AS
IMPORTANT AS I DO. AND CONTINUE
TO HELP MOVE THIS ALONG AND HELP
THESE PROGRAMS GET REAUTHORIZED
SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE OUR
PATH. TOWARDS OUR AMBITIOUS
CLIMATE CHANGE GOALS. MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS BILMA GAVIN, WITH
COALITION FOR CLEAN AIR IN
SUPPORT AS YOU'VE HEARD THIS
BILL REAUTHORIZES EXISTING
FUNDING. IT ALSO UPDATES THE
PROGRAMS IN IMPORTANT WAYS,
PARTICULARLY TO FOCUS ON THE
HEAVY DUTY ENGINES THAT ARE THE
BIGGEST SOURCE OF AIR POLLUTION
IN CALIFORNIA. AND CRUCIALLY, TO
ADD EQUITY REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT
AT LEAST HALF OF THE FUNDING AND
THE CALIFORNIA TRANSPORTATION
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM
WILL GO TO DISADVANTAGE AND LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES. AND SINCE.
YOU WILL BE HEARING OPPOSITION
FROM THE HYDROGEN INDUSTRY. I
WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE BILL
ACTUALLY IS TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL.
IT DOES NOT HAVE CARVE OUTS FOR
BATTERY, ELECTRIC OR HYDROGEN,
FUELING THE DISCRETION IS LEFT
TO THE ENERGY COMMISSION, WHICH
CURRENTLY DOES FUND BOTH BATTERY
CHARGING AND HYDROGEN FUELING.
THE ENERGY COMMISSION WOULD
CONTINUE TO DO THAT. UNDER THIS
BILL. AND JUST TO GIVE A SENSE
OF THE SCOPE, THOUGH, FOR EVERY
HYDROGEN FUEL CAR LIGHT DUTY
VEHICLE IN THE STATE THERE ABOUT
100 BATTERY ELECTRIC CARS. SO I
THINK THAT YOU KNOW, WE ALL
UNDERSTAND. WE NEED TO PROVIDE
MORE STATIONS FOR BOTH. BUT IF
YOU CARVE OUT TOO MUCH MONEY AND
ALLOCATED TO HYDROGEN FUELING,
THAT WILL MEAN LESS OPPORTUNITY.
FOR GRID CHARGING FOR ALL OF
THOSE BATTERY ELECTRIC CARS THAT
YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE DRIVING
AND WILL DRIVE IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ROMAN
VOGELSANG, WITH THE PREY AND
MAKELELE ON BEHALF OF CHARGE
POINT IN SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON
, CHRISTINA SYRINGE WITH THE
CENTER FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY
AND SUPPORT. SHANNON COX FOR
CLIMATE ACTION, CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT. ERIC ROHMER IN BEHALF
OF VALLEY CLEANER NOW AND THE
GREENLINING INSTITUTE AND STRONG
SUPPORT. HELLO MICHAELA ELDER ON
BEHALF OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE
CHARGING ASSOCIATION, THE
CALIFORNIA ELECTRIC
TRANSPORTATION COALITION AND
FLOW AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMERON DIMITRI
ON BEHALF OF BLINK, CHARGING AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. AND ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION?
AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. GREAT.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS ROSANNA
CARPACCIO ELLIOT HERE ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN
COALITION AND THE CALIFORNIA
HYDROGEN BUSINESS COUNCIL AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION TO 2 41
UNLESS IT IS AMENDED TO ALLOCATE
30% OF PROGRAM DOLLARS TO CREATE
A STATEWIDE SELF SUFFICIENT
HYDROGEN FUELING NETWORK OF 1000
FUELING STATIONS. THIS REQUEST
ALIGNS WITH THE AIR BOARDS. 2021
HYDROGEN SELF SUFFICIENCY
ANALYSIS, WHICH STATES THAT SELF
SUFFICIENCY CAN BE ACHIEVED, AND
MOST REPRESENTATIVES SCENARIOS
BY 2030 WITH $300 MILLION BEYOND
THE CURRENT CLEAN TRANSPORTATION
PROGRAM FUNDING THIS WILL ALSO
CREATE A STATEWIDE FUELING
NETWORK PROVIDING ACCESS TO 94%
OF THE GEOGRAPHIC, STATE AND 97%
OF DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
HYDROGEN IS A CRITICAL PART OF
CALIFORNIA'S TRANSITION TO ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLES. THE STATE
WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THE
AMBITIOUS 2035 2045 GOALS WITH
JUST ONE TECHNOLOGY. CARBS
ADVANCED CLEAN CARS PACKAGE
RECOGNIZES THIS BY STATING THAT
CALIFORNIA WILL NEED A MINIMUM
OF 17% OF THE ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLES TO BE FUEL CELL BY 2034
, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 1.7
MILLION VEHICLES, WHICH WILL
NECESSITATE WELL OVER 1000,
FUELING STATIONS. THE CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION AUTHORIZING
LEGISLATION 10 YEARS AGO.
SPECIFY THAT 20% OF DOLLARS BE
DEDICATED TO HYDROGEN
INFRASTRUCTURE. UNFORTUNATE
MONEY WAS DELAYED IN GETTING OUT
THE DOOR. BUT FOR FIVE YEARS BY
THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION
BY BUILDING ON THE PROMISE TO
HYDROGEN MADE 10 YEARS AGO AND
MAYBE EIGHT, WE CAN ASSURE THAT
SELF SUFFICIENCY BECOMES A
REALITY IN CALIFORNIA. WE'RE
SEEING LARGE INVESTMENTS IN NEW
VEHICLES FROM CAR MANUFACTURERS.
UTILIZING HYDROGEN TECHNOLOGY,
BUT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE
STATE SHOWS THEIR COMMITMENT TO
FUEL CELLS BY INVESTING IN THE
NECESSARY FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE
. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT
FOR EVERY DOLLAR CALIFORNIA
SPENDS ON ZERO EMISSION ELECTRIC
VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE, LESS
THAN FOUR CENTS IS DIRECTED
TOWARDS HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE
, AND THIS INCLUDES FUELING FOR
HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES.
ADDITIONALLY THIS MASSIVE
INVESTMENT IS EVEN INVESTMENT
DISPARITY. EXCUSE ME IS EVEN
WITH THE 20% HYDROGEN ALLOCATION
MANDATED AND CURRENT LAW,
THEREFORE, GIVEN THAT CALIFORNIA
CANNOT MEET THE ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLE GOALS WITH ONE
TECHNOLOGY ALONE, AND WE CANNOT
RELY ON THE CLEAN TRANSPORTATION
PROGRAM THAT DOES NOT CONTINUE
TO SPECIFICALLY ALLOCATE FUNDING
FOR HYDROGEN, WE LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE
COMMITTEE AND THE AUTHOR TO
ENSURE THAT THE REAUTHORIZATION
OF THE CLEAN TRANSPORTATION
PROGRAM FULLY FUND THE STATEWIDE
HYDROGEN NETWORK, BUT AT THE
THIS POINT. UNFORTUNATELY WE
MUST REMAIN OPPOSED UNLESS THE
BILL IS AMENDED TO ALLOCATE 30%
OF THE PROGRAM DOLLARS AND PUT
IN PLACE. THE 1000 FUELING
STATION TARGET. THANK YOU. ARE
THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? GOOD AFTERNOON,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS VICTORIA
RODRIGUEZ NIELSEN MARKSMAN ON
BEHALF OF THE ALLIANCE FOR
AUTOMOTIVE INNOVATION AND
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION UNLESS
AMENDED. AND MEMBERS. ARE THERE
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
SEEING NONE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. IS THERE A MOTION?
YES. I MOVED. THERE'S A MOTION
AND A SECOND FROM ADDIS SECONDED
BY PELLERIN. SO WILL CALL THE
ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS RIVAS. FLORA.
ADDIS THAT IS I. FRIEDMAN
HOOVER. MATHIS. MATHIS NO MERIT
SOUCI. PELLERIN. HELLO AND I
WARD WOULD WOULD I SPUR. IT HAS
THREE VOTES, SO WE'LL LEAVE IT
ON CALL. THANK YOU. LISTEN. NOW
WE'LL HEAR ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ALVAREZ WITH A B 12 87. THANK
YOU. GET HER SO EXCITED. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. COMMITTEE
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
COME BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT A
B 12 87. MAYBE 12 87 REQUIRES
THAT A CITY A COUNTY OR CITY AND
COUNTY TO GRANT ADDITIONAL
DENSITY AND CONCESSIONS IF AN
APPLICANT APPLICANT AGREES TO
INCLUDE ADDITIONAL MODERATE
INCOME UNITS ON TOP OF THE
MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF UNITS FOR
LOWER VERY LOW AND MODERATE
INCOME UNITS. AS YOU ALL KNOW,
WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF A HOUSING
CRISIS AND IN RESPONSE, WE AS A
LEGISLATURE HAVE RIGHTLY TAKEN A
NUMBER OF ESSENTIAL STEPS TO
INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF VERY LOW
AND LOW INCOME HOUSING TO
SUPPORT VULNERABLE LOW INCOME
POPULATIONS. HOWEVER A TRUE
HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE HOUSING
CRISIS REQUIRES THAT WE ALSO
TACKLE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY FOR
MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES. THE UC
BERKELEY TURNER CENTER FOR
HOUSING INNOVATION FOUND THAT
40% MIDDLE INCOME EARNERS.
WHOEVER ENTERS SPEND MORE THAN
30% OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING.
WHILE 10% ARE SEVERELY COST
BURDENED BY HOUSING, MEANING
THAT THEY SPEND MORE THAN HALF
OF THEIR MONTHLY INCOME ON
HOUSING ALONE. THIS COST BURDEN
HAS CONTINUED TO GROW AS WE HAVE
FAILED TO BUILD ENOUGH MIDDLE
INCOME HOUSING UNITS TO REDUCE
PRICES AND RELEASE PRESSURES ON
THE OVERALL HOUSING MARKET. BY
GIVING DEVELOPERS IN ADDITIONAL
INCENTIVE UNDER THE DENSITY
BONUS LOT TO BUILD MORE MODERATE
INCOME UNITS FOR MIDDLE INCOME
FAMILIES. A B 12 87 IS A
CRITICAL STEP TOWARD RESOLVING
OUR HOUSING CRISIS. AS NOTED, I
FIRMLY BELIEVE IN SUPPORTING THE
DEVELOPMENT OF VERY LOW INCOME
AND LOW INCOME HOUSING. WHICH IS
WHY THIS BILL WAS WRITTEN SO
THAT THE EXISTING INCENTIVES FOR
VERY LOW AND LOW INCOME HOUSING
MUST BE MAXED OUT FIRST, BEFORE
YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS
NEW THIS NEW INCENTIVE AND HAVE
ADDED AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD
INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE
FOR VERY LOW INCOME UNITS.
THEREFORE A B 12 87 NOT ONLY
WRITTEN INCENTIVIZES THE
CREATION OF MODERATE INCOME
UNITS, BUT IT ALSO CREATES NEW
INCENTIVES AND NEW ECONOMIC
REASONS TO MAXIMIZE DEEPLY
AFFORDABLE UNIT PRODUCTION
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. THERE'S
NOWHERE IS THIS BILL MORE
IMPORTANT THAN IN THE COASTAL
ZONE WHERE HOUSING COSTS ARE
HIGHER THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA? THAT IS WHY
REMOVING THE BLANKET EXEMPTION
FROM THE COASTAL COASTAL ZONE I
BELIEVE IS UNNECESSARY. I
APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE
CERTAIN AESTHETIC AND
ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS THAT MAKE
THE COASTAL ZONE UNIQUE, WHICH
MAKES ALLOWING DENSITY BONUS LAW
WITH LAMENTATION IN THE ZONE
COMPLICATED, HOWEVER, A BLANKET
EXEMPTION IS NOT THE ANSWER. I
HAVE. I WILL REFERENCE THE
LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE
COASTAL COMMISSION ON SOME OF
THE CONCERNS RELATED TO COASTAL
AREAS. WHICH I ACTUALLY AGREE
WITH ON PAGE TWO, WHICH IS
PROBABLY IN THE BACKGROUND OF
THE COASTAL COMMISSION. LETTER
TO, UH BELIEVE THIS COMMITTEE
WAS SENT TO ME. UH IT SAYS THAT
DENSITY BONUS LAW COULD BE USED
TO WAVE BLUFF. TALK SETBACK
STANDARDS BUILD INTO REPAIRING
OR WETLAND BUFFERS. ENCROACH ON
PUBLIC ACCESS WAYS OR
AGRICULTURAL AREAS OR BLOCK
SIGNIFICANT SCENIC VIEWS. I JUST
WANT TO, UH REITERATE TO YOU
THAT THAT IS NOT THE INTENT OF
THIS LANGUAGE. AND IF WE NEED TO
MAKE THAT CLEAR, WE WILL DO SO
WITH AMENDMENTS IN THE FUTURE.
THE BILL WILL ALLOW THE LETTER
ALSO STATES THAT THE BILL WILL
ALLOW DEVELOPMENT, WETLANDS AND
SENSITIVE HABITATS. AGAIN
SOMETHING THAT'S NOT INTENDED BY
THIS BILL. AND IF YOU NEED TO,
WE WILL MAKE THAT CLEAR WITH
ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. UM AGAIN,
AGRICULTURAL LANDS ARE
THREATENED AND OTHER SENSITIVE
AREAS WITH NO RECOURSE BY LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS TO AVOID SUCH DAMAGE
IS STATED IN THE LETTER OF
OPPOSITION FROM THE COAST
COMMISSION AGAIN. NONE OF THOSE
ARE INTENDED WITH THIS BILL, AND
WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE UP
AMENDMENTS TO CLARIFY CLARIFY
THAT, IF NEEDED WITH THAT SAID
WE HAVE MICHAEL LANE, STATE
POLICY DIRECTOR WAS SPUR TO
SHARE SOME TESTIMONY. AND I ALSO
HAVE LOUIS MINTON. BRANSON THANK
YOU GAVE ME YOUR CARD. I'M
SORRY, WHO ALSO TESTIFY? THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS, MICHAEL MICHAEL LANE
WAS SPUR STATEMENTS HE HOUSING
BONUS LAW HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS
FOR DECADES NOW, AND ITS
ORIGINAL INTENT WAS ACTUALLY
CREATING INCENTIVE FOR MARKET
RATE DEVELOPERS TO INCLUDE
AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THEIR
DEVELOPMENTS AND BE ABLE TO MAKE
THE PROJECT FEASIBLE. IT'S ALSO
OFTEN USED NEARLY ALWAYS USED BY
AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS AS
WELL TO MAKE THOSE PROJECTS
FEASIBLE AND JUST REITERATE. IT
HAS TO BE ON A SITE THAT'S
ALREADY BEEN ZONED FOR HOUSING
FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO USE THE
STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW. THAT'S
JUST A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE
THAT UNDER THE BASE ZONING IN
PLACE WHEN YOU COME AND ASK FOR
THAT, AS A DEVELOPER, UH, AS THE
MEMBER HAD NOTED ON OUR
COASTLINES, THIS IS THE MOST
EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE, UM IN THE
STATE AND BEYOND. CONSTRUCTION
COSTS ARE HIGHEST RENTS ARE
HIGHEST AND LOWER INCOME
WORKERS, PARTICULARLY IN THE
HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY AND OTHER
INDUSTRIES THAT NEED TO BE IN
THE SERIOUS FIND IT VERY
DIFFICULT TO RUN BECAUSE OF THE
SCARCITY OF HOUSING. AND THE
HIGH COST OF RENT, SO WE THINK
IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THIS
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY WE'RE
EXEMPTING THE MOST EXPENSIVE
PART OF THE STATE SOME OF THE
MOST SEGREGATED COMMUNITIES FROM
KEY PARTS OF STATE HOUSING LAW,
AND WE'VE DONE THAT OVER
DECADES. IT'S NOT JUST WITH THIS
LINE PARTICULAR AND SO WE'D LIKE
TO TRY TO REVISIT THAT TO SEE IF
THERE ARE WAYS WITHIN THE
EXISTING CONSTRUCT. WE COULD
MAKE SURE WE'RE BUILDING THE
AFFORDABLE MARKET RATE HOUSING.
WE NEED THESE COMMUNITY AS WELL
AS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE,
AND WE RESPECT THE REQUEST THAT
YOU CONSIDER YOU KNOW, WORKING
WITH US AND THE AND THE AUTHOR
AND POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS. THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS LOUIS BRANDT ON BEHALF
OF THE BARRIER COUNCIL, AS I
MENTIONED EARLIER, THE BARRY
COUNCIL REPRESENTS SOME OF THE
BARRIERS LARGEST EMPLOYERS.
HOUSING IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR
ORIGIN AS IT IS FOR THE REST OF
THE STATE. UM MANY PEOPLE THINK
ABOUT THE COASTAL ZONE IN
PARTICULAR, I THINK I'LL JUST
ADD SLIGHTLY TO MY COLLEAGUE'S
REMARKS. MANY PEOPLE THINK ABOUT
THE COASTAL ZONE IS A RURAL
PROGRAM, BUT LARGE SWATHS OF
SANTA MONICA, SAN FRANCISCO, SAN
DIEGO SANTA CRUZ, MANY URBAN
PROPORTIONS OF CALIFORNIA WHERE
ANYONE ON THIS COMMITTEE WOULD
REGARD THE HOUSING IS INFILL
HOUSING ARE ALSO GOVERNED BY THE
COASTAL ZONE. A BLANKET
PROHIBITION AGAINST APPLYING
DENSITY BONUS LAW REMOVES ONE OF
OUR MOST VALUABLE TOOLS FOR
INCENTIVIZING LOW INCOME HOUSING
PRODUCTION IN THESE AREAS FROM
THE PLACES WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED
THE MOST, SO I APPRECIATE THE
MEMBER'S COMMENTS ON SOME OF THE
WORKING OUT SOME OF THE
TECHNICAL DETAILS HERE FROM THE
COASTAL COMMISSION. BUT I URGE
YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE BILL AS
IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN WITH
REGARD TO THE COASTAL ZONE. OKAY
AND, UH ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT GOOD AFTERNOON. MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS GRACIELA CÁC,
UKRAINE'S HERE ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA. AMBIEN. STRONG
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. HOLLY FOR ME
TODAY HAS USED THE LIGHTHOUSE
PUBLIC AFFAIRS HERE TODAY IN
SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF THE HAND,
SAN DIEGO HOUSING COMMISSION,
SANDHILL PROPERTIES CIVIC WELL,
AND BOB NAYLOR COULDN'T BE HERE
TODAY, BUT I'M HERE ON HIS
BEHALF AND SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF
FIELDS DEAD AND COMPANY AND
THAT'S HOWARD AHMANSON JR. A
PHILANTHROPIST AND ORANGE COUNTY
WHO SUPPORTS ALL LEGISLATION
THAT IS HELPING INCREASE THE
HOUSING SUPPLY IN CALIFORNIA
JUST LIKE THIS, BILL. THANK YOU.
OKAY, NEXT, DO WE HAVE WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION?
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS SEAN DRAKE WITH THE
CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION.
THE COMMOTION. THE COMMISSION
CURRENTLY HAS AN OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED POSITION ON THIS BILL
DUE TO THE BILLS PROPOSED
CHANGES TO SUBSECTION M OF THE
DENSITY BONUS LAW, ALTHOUGH WE
WOULD REMOVE THIS OPPOSITION IF
THE AUTHOR WOULD TAKE THE
PROPOSED COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS.
BECAUSE DENSITY BONUS LAW
EXCEPTIONS ARE AWARDED BY RIGHT
WITH NO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW,
THE LEGISLATURE ENACTED THE
SAVINGS CLAUSE TO ENSURE THAT
THE RESOURCE PROTECTION POLICIES
OF THE COASTAL ACTOR NOT
SUPERSEDED. THE RESULT FOR THE
LAST 20 YEARS HAS BEEN THAT
RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS IN THE
COASTAL ZONE SUCCESSFULLY
INCORPORATE THE MULTITUDE OF
EXCEPTIONS AFFORDED BY DENSITY
BONUS LAW WHILE ALSO AVOIDING
SIGNIFICANT AND UNNECESSARY
IMPACTS TO COASTAL RESOURCES. IN
2018 IN RESPONSE TO THE CORNELL
GARDENS DECISION, THE
LEGISLATURE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL
CLARITY BY ADDING LANGUAGE
EMPHASIZING THE DENSITY BONUS
LAW IN THE COASTAL ART SHALL BE
HARMONIZED. UNFORTUNATELY THIS
BILL WOULD REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE
AND ESTABLISHED THAT DENSITY
BONUS LAW SUPERSEDES THE COASTAL
ACT. THIS WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT
OF EXEMPTING DENSITY BONUS
PROJECTS FROM THE RESOURCE
PROTECTION POLICIES OF THE
COASTAL ACT AND FROM LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS. LOCAL COASTAL
PROGRAMS AS YOU ALREADY HEARD,
DENSITY BONUS PROJECTS ON THE
COAST COULD WAVE SEA LEVEL RISE
SETBACK STANDARDS BUILT INTO
RIPARIAN AND WETLAND BUFFERS
ENCROACH ON PUBLIC ACCESS WAYS
OR BLOCK SIGNIFICANT SCENIC
VIEWS. THESE RESOURCE LOSSES CAN
BE AVOIDED BY CONTINUING TO
HARMONIZE COASTAL RESOURCE
PROTECTION WITH BUILDING MORE
HOUSING, AND THE COMMISSION IS
WORKING CLOSELY WITH LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT THE
COASTAL ZONE TO ADD POLICIES TO
THEIR L CPS THAT IDENTIFY
METHODS FOR HARMONIZING THE TWO
STATUTES, WHICH PROVIDES GREATER
REGULATORY CERTAINTY FOR
DEVELOPERS. ULTIMATELY HOUSING
AND COASTAL RESOURCE PROTECTION
OR NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
COASTAL RESOURCE POLICIES MAKE
HOUSING PROJECTS SAFER, MORE
RESILIENT AND MORE SUSTAINABLE
WITHOUT INCREASING COSTS OR
INTERFERING WITH DENSITY BONUS
LAW INCENTIVES. THE COMMISSION
CERTAINLY DOES NOT OPPOSE THIS
BILL LIGHTLY AND WE ARE IN
AGREEMENT WITH THE BROADER
GROWTH GOAL OF INCREASING
DENSITY IN THE COASTAL ZONE. BUT
IN THE COMMISSION'S NEARLY 50
YEAR HISTORY, THE LEGISLATURE
HAS NEVER EXEMPTED AN ENTIRE
CLASS OF DEVELOPMENT FROM THE
COASTAL ACT TO DO SO. NOW IT'S
SET A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT. SO
FOR THESE REASONS, THE
COMMISSION RESPECTFULLY OPPOSES
UNLESS AMENDED, ALTHOUGH AS I
MENTIONED IF THE AUTHOR WOULD
TAKE THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS
THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD REMOVE
ITS OPPOSITION, THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR RIVAS AND
HONORABLE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS CHRISTOPHER MALL WOULD
AND I'M A LEGAL AND POLICY IN
TURN WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL
ACTION COMMITTEE OF WEST MARIN,
OR E, A C. AND SPEAKING TODAY ON
BEHALF OF THE GROUPS THAT
SUBMITTED AND OPPOSING UNLESS A
MINUTE LETTER ON 4 17 WE OPPOSED
TO A B 12 87 UNLESS IT IS
AMENDED TO RESTORE SUBDIVISION
GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 6591 M.
ALSO KNOWN AS THE COASTAL
COASTAL ACT SAVINGS CLAUSE,
MAINTAINING THIS PROVISION IN
THE DENSITY BONUS LAW PRESERVES
OUR IMPORTANT COASTAL RESOURCE
AND PUBLIC ACCESS PROTECTIONS.
COASTAL'S TAX SAVINGS CLAUSE
MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE DENSITY
BONUS LAW DOES NOT SUPERSEDE OR
LESSEN THE EFFECT OF THE COASTAL
ACT AND THAT ANY DENSITY BONUS
CONCESSIONS INCENTIVES, WAIVERS
OR REDUCTIONS OF DEVELOPMENT
STANDARDS. WHICH THE APPLICANT
IS REQUESTING SHALL BE PERMITTED
IN A MANNER THAT IS CONSISTENT
WITH THE ACT. THE COASTAL ACT
PROTECTS PUBLIC ACCESS AND LOWER
COST RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES
. WETLANDS AGRICULTURAL
ACTIVITIES, SCENIC VIEW SHEDS
AND THE BIOLOGICAL PRODUCTIVITY
OF OUR OCEAN WATERS BECAUSE OF
THE ACT, THE CALIFORNIA COAST OF
THE ESTATES NUMBER ONE TOURIST
DRAW AND THE REASON THAT ANYONE
CAN GO TO THE BEACH REGARDLESS
OF WHERE THEY LIVE. A B 12 87
WOULD REPEAL LONGSTANDING
LANGUAGE IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE
AND REPLACE IT WITH A STATEMENT
THAT DENSITY BONUSES SHALL BE
PERMITTED NON WITHSTANDING THE
ACT. THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST
TIME THAT ANY TYPE OF
DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN EXEMPTED
FROM THE ACT. THERE IS NO REASON
FOR REMOVING THE COASTAL ACT
SAVINGS CLAUSE. THE COASTAL
COMMISSION HAS NEVER DENIED AND
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN
ITS LONG HISTORY. IT HAS
APPROVED NUMEROUS DENSITY BONUS
PROJECTS OVER THE LAST DECADE
AND HAS WORKED WITH SEVERAL
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO INCORPORATE
DENSITY BONUS POLICIES INTO
CERTIFIED LOCAL COASTAL
PROGRAMS. THIS BILL WOULD SET A
DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AS THE
COASTAL ACT SAVINGS CLAUSE CAN
BE FOUND IN MANY STATUTES THAT
APPLY TO OTHER TYPES OF
MINISTERIAL APPROVALS AND BY
RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, REPEALING THE
SAVINGS CLAUSE FOR DENSITY BONUS
PROJECTS WOULD LIKELY LEAD TO
REPEAL ELSEWHERE IN STATUTE,
ELIMINATING VALUABLE COASTAL AND
PUBLIC ACCESS PROTECTIONS. WE
FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE NEED FOR
MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE
COASTAL ZONE. BUT WE STRONGLY
DISAGREE THAT EXEMPTING DENSITY
BONUS LAW FROM THE ACT IS THE
WAY TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL. RATHER
WE SUGGEST REINSTATING THE
COASTAL ACTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING
PROVISION, WHICH WERE APPEALED
IN 1981. WE URGE YOU TO REJECT
THE REPEAL OF SECTION 659. 15 M
AND STAND FIRM ON THE PRINCIPLE
THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND
COASTAL RESOURCE PROTECTION CAN
GO HAND IN HAND. PLEASE VOTE NO
ON THIS BILL UNLESS IT IS
AMENDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. SECURE CARTER ON
BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB,
CALIFORNIA. WE HAVE AN IMPOSING
LESS A MINUTE POSITION UNLESS
THE AUTHOR ACCEPTS THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENT. I'M ALSO
REGISTERING AND OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED POSITION FOR WEST MARIN
ENVIRONMENTAL ACTION COMMITTEE,
CALIFORNIA COAST KEEPER ALLIANCE
TURTLE ISLAND RESTORATION
NETWORK. ECHO SAN DIEGO,
HUMBOLDT BAYKEEPER, CALIFORNIA
COASTAL PROTECTION NETWORK.
COASTAL ENVIRONMENTAL RIGHTS
FOUNDATION, ORANGE COUNTY COAST
KEEPER PLANNING AND CONSERVATION
LEAGUE ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE
CENTER SAN DIEGO COAST KEEPER
RESOURCE RENO INSTITUTE AZUL,
FRIENDS, ARTISTS AND NEIGHBORS
OF ELKHORN SLOUGH. SO CAL 3 50
CLIMATE ACTION PUBLIC TRUST
ALLIANCE CITIZENS PRESERVING
VENICE OCEAN CONSERVATION
RESEARCH, AND THAT'S THE LAST OF
THE LIST. AGAIN UNLESS THE
AUTHOR ACCEPTS HIS COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. I HAVE TO GO VOTE IN ANOTHER
COMMITTEE PRETTY SOON, SO I'M
GONNA GO AHEAD AND START UM,
WITH QUESTIONS THIS MORNING. YOU
TOLD ME WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS. UM ARE
YOU TAKING THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS? IF YOU DON'T MIND,
MY RECORD WILL CHANGE TO. NO NO
, NO. I UNDERSTAND YOUR
RECOMMENDATION, UM, WILL BE IN
NO WITHOUT THE AMENDMENTS. I
THINK WHAT I SHARED WITH YOU
EARLIER IS WHAT I HOPE. HAPPENS
HERE. IS, UM THAT WE DISCUSS
WHAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE
ALLOWED IN COASTAL AND BUT
SHOULDN'T AS I, UM SENATOR. YOU
TAKING THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS. I HAVE TO GO DOWN
AND I WANT TO, UH, REGISTER.
WHETHER I'M SUPPORTING OR NOT,
BEFORE I GO VOTE IN ANOTHER
COMMITTEE, YES OR NO. I WOULD
LIKE TO HEAR SOME COMMENTS FROM
AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION.
I LIKE TO HEAR HOW WE CAN MOVE
FORWARD IN A WAY THAT WE CAN GET
SUPPORT. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IF
YOU ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENT THAT WE HAD THE
CONVERSATION THIS MORNING, I
ASKED YOU IF YOU HAD MAP WITH
COASTAL COMMISSION YOU HAD SAID
NO WITH YOU SAID YOU WOULD
CONTINUE TO TALK TO THEM RIGHT?
YOU SAID YOU WOULD TAKE THIS
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENT THIS
MORNING. UM AND THEN SUDDENLY
TODAY IT'S A FEW HOURS LATER.
YOU ARE NOT. SO I JUST WANT TO
KNOW YES OR NO SORRY. I HAVE TO
GO AND VOTE AND I DON'T LIKE
THAT. YOU TOLD ME THIS MORNING
THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THE
AMENDMENT. AND THEN YOU ARE NOT
RIGHT NOW. WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING
. GREAT CONVERSATION, AND I
BELIEVED YOU. WHAT I'M SAYING IS
I LIKE TO TAKE THE AMENDMENTS
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING. AGAIN
WITH THIS CONVERSATION OF HOW TO
FIX IT ON A GOING FORWARD BASIS
SO THAT WE DON'T JUST EXEMPT
COASTAL AREAS FROM BUILDING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO YOU ARE
TAKING THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS. AMENDMENTS WITH THE
FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE.
THAT'S NOT THIS LANGUAGE, BUT
NOT THAT WE WILL ALWAYS EXEMPT
THE COASTAL AREA FROM BEING PART
OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING
PROGRAM. I WAS CLEAR ABOUT THAT
WITH YOU AS WELL. BUT THAT IS
NOT SOMETHING I'M COMMITTING TO.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHETHER YOU
ARE ACCEPTING OUR COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS WILL ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENTS. BUT I'M HOPING THAT
GOING FORWARD WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE
THAT CONVERSATION. THAT'S ALL.
I'M ASKING FOR. OKAY, THAT'S
WHAT I TOLD YOU EARLIER TODAY.
SO THANK YOU FOR ACCEPTING THE
COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS. ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BIRD BECAUSE I
KNOW HE HAS TO GO TO GLAD YOU'RE
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS BECAUSE I WOULD NOT
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
WITHOUT THAT. I DO THINK THAT
OBVIOUSLY, THERE NEEDS TO BE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT DENSITY BONUSES
IN THE COASTAL ZONE. UM BUT THEY
YOU KNOW, THE AMENDMENT IS JUST
LIKE RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE
COASTAL ACT, AND I THINK REALLY
EVISCERATES A LOT OF THE
IMPORTANT PROTECTIONS OF THE
COASTAL ACT. AND SO I MEAN, I
WOULD SORT OF SAY I DON'T THINK
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN
HAPPEN SORT OF THIS YEAR. I
THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SOME
ENGAGEMENT ON A SEPARATE BILL
WITH THE COASTAL COMMISSION
ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE ROLE OF
DENSITY BONUSES IN THE COASTAL
ZONE, AND I THINK THAT IS AN
IMPORTANT TOOL THAT ISN'T USED
ENOUGH IN THE COASTAL ZONE. IN
SOME CASES, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE
LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, NOT WANTING
DENSITY WHEN THEY PROBABLY WE
WANT TO ENCOURAGE IT MORE
ANOTHER CASES. IT'S BECAUSE WHEN
THE COASTAL COMMISSION IS
BASICALLY FOCUSING ON OTHER
COASTAL GOALS THAT THEY WANT TO
PROTECT. YOU KNOW, ONE WAY IS
JUST REDUCING DENSITIES, AND
THAT HAPPENS A LOT. SO I AM GLAD
YOU'RE TAKING THE AMENDMENTS. IT
WILL SUPPORT IT. BY TAKING THE
AMENDMENTS. I WOULD NOT HAVE
BEEN ABLE TO SUPPORT IT WITHOUT
THE AMENDMENT, SO I JUST WANT TO
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. I
WOULD JUST RESPOND THAT I'D LIKE
TO, UM, CONTINUE TO HEAR,
ESPECIALLY FROM THIS COMMITTEE.
UH WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT, UM
HOW CAN WE GET TO AH, YES, UH
AFFORDABLE AND DENSITY BONUS
PROGRAMS ON IN COASTAL AREAS
BECAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY UH, THE
WAY WITH THIS AMENDMENT. WE'RE
REMOVING THE COASTAL AREA FROM
PARTICIPATING IN THAT AND SO I
APPRECIATE FEEDBACK AS WE GO
FORWARD ON THIS BILL TO DO THAT
, AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT
THAT'S THAT'S THE INTENT AND
THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED THE
DISCUSSION TO BE ABOUT. THANK
YOU. SO WHEN HILLARY SO IT'S MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COASTAL
COMMISSION HAS NEVER DENIED AS
SINGLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
PROJECT IN ITS HISTORY. EVIDENCE
THAT THE COASTAL ACT IS NOT AN
INHIBITION. AFFORDABLE HOUSING
IN THE COASTAL ZONE. IS THAT
CORRECT AS FAR AS YOU
UNDERSTAND, EITHER THE AUTHOR OR
THE THANK YOU. YES THAT IS
CORRECT. AND IF I MAY OFFER ONE
POINT OF CLARIFICATION THE
COASTAL ZONE IS NOT EXEMPT FROM
DENSITY BONUS LAW. THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT WE EXPLAINED WHEN
WE DID MEET WITH THE AUTHOR'S
OFFICE UPON SEEING THIS
INTRODUCED LANGUAGE. I THINK THE
LEGISLATURE AFFIRMED THAT POINT
IN 2018 MOST RECENTLY BY PASSING
A B 29 7 97 BY BLOOM, WHICH
ADDED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO
SUBSECTION EM TO CLARIFY THAT
DENSITY BONUS LAW IN THE COASTAL
ACT SHALL BE HARMONIZED, WHICH
IS TO SAY THAT BOTH LAWS APPLY
IN THE COASTAL ZONE AND SHALL BE
IMPLEMENTED IN A WAY WHERE
PROJECTS ARE REALIZING THE
INTENDED OBJECTIVES OF BOTH. IF
I MAY RESPOND AS WELL AS SOMEONE
WHO APPROVED LOCAL PLAN
AMENDMENTS ON THE CITY COUNCIL
IN THE COASTAL CITY, UH, YOU
DON'T SEE PROJECTS COME BEFORE
YOU THAT REQUIRE AMENDMENTS FOR
LOCAL PLANT LOCAL COASTAL PLANS
BECAUSE, UH, THE HIGH LIKELIHOOD
OF THAT GETTING APPROVED BY A
COAST COMMISSION SO NOBODY EVEN
TASTE TAKES THAT RISK. SO, OF
COURSE, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY
REJECTIONS OF PROJECTS BECAUSE
THOSE PROJECTS HAVEN'T REALLY
COME FORWARD BECAUSE IF YOU'RE
LOOKING TO AMEND THE COASTAL
PLAN GET APPEALED TO THE COASTAL
COMMISSION. AND THAT'S A REALLY
HUGE HURDLE THAT A DEVELOPER IS
JUST NOT GOING TO TAKE ON. THAT
RISK OF THE UNKNOWN FACTOR OF IF
I PROPOSE A PROJECT, WILL IT
THEN DIE AT COASTAL COMMISSION.
I'M NOT GONNA TAKE ON THAT RISK
AND THAT LIABILITY. SO UM, I
LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY PROJECTS
ACTUALLY HAVE GONE TO THE
COASTAL COMMISSION. AND HOW MANY
THEY'VE APPROVED. I THINK THAT
DATA IS MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN
JUST SAYING NOTHING'S EVER BEEN
DENIED. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
MEMBERS HAVING COMMENTS, MR
WOOD? YEAH JUST JUST KEEP YOU
KNOW MY UNDERSTANDING. IF I'M
WRONG, I APOLOGIZE AND GO AHEAD
AND CORRECT ME. BUT THE COASTAL
ZONE IN SOME AREAS CAN BE PRETTY
PRETTY BROAD. PRETTY PRETTY
LARGE. UM SO I REPRESENT 300
PLUS MILES OF COASTLINE AND MY,
UM MY MEMORY IF I CERTAINLY
RIGHT IN SOME CITIES, THE
COASTAL ZONE. INTEREST GOES
QUITE A WAYS INTO THE CITY. IS
THAT CORRECT? THE COASTAL ZONE
IS A LEGISLATIVELY DRAWN
BOUNDARY. IT WAS DRAWN BY THE
LEGISLATURE ON THE COASTAL ACT
WAS PASSED BACK IN THE SEVENTIES
. IT VARIES IN TERMS OF ITS
WIDTH. I THINK IF I COULD JUST
BROADLY CHARACTERIZED IT,
THOUGH, AND URBANIZED AREAS, THE
COASTAL ZONE TENDS TO BE
NARROWER BECAUSE THE COASTAL
ENVIRONMENTS ALREADY BUILT UP,
YOU SEE A COASTAL ZONE THAT'S AS
NARROW AS 300 FT. ON THE OTHER
END OF THE SPECTRUM AND MORE
RURAL, LESS DEVELOPED AREAS. AN
EXAMPLE THAT COMES TO MIND IS
ELKHORN SLOUGH, WHICH IS A LARGE
WATERSHED WITH MINIMAL
DEVELOPMENT. THE COASTAL ZONE
CAN EXPECT EXTEND UP TO FIVE
MILES INLAND, BUT IT VARIES
WITHIN THAT RANGE AND THE
DIFFERENTIATION TENDS TO BE
BETWEEN MORE URBANIZED AND RURAL
AREAS. BECAUSE MY RECOLLECTION
IN LIKE IN EUREKA, WHERE THAT I
REPRESENT COASTAL ZONE. EXPANDS
PRETTY FAR INTO THE CITY LIMITS
SO THE, UM. I GUESS WHAT? WHAT?
I WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH HERE IS
THAT, UM. WE'RE WHEN WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT DENSITY BONUSES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND THAT'S
ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR
HOUSING. THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THIS IS NOT NOT. WE'RE NOT
TAKING. YEAH, WE'RE NOT TAKING
AWAY FROM MARSHLAND AND WHAT AND
OTHER AREAS THIS IS LAND THAT'S
ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR
HOUSING. EXACTLY THAT. THAT'S MY
TERM, NOT AUTHORIZE YOU TO BUILD
WHERE HOUSING IS NOT ALLOWED TO
BE BUILT ALREADY. THAT'S
CORRECT. SO WE'RE WALKING A
DELICATE BALANCE HERE. UM AND I
GUESS I JUST, YOU KNOW, IS IT IS
THIS DON'T WANT DENSITY IN IN
SOME AREAS WHERE IT'S CLEARLY
DEFINED THAT YOU CAN HAVE
HOUSING. OR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT
IT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT FEELS
LIKE AT THIS POINT. WE'VE
ALREADY SAID YOU CAN HAVE
HOUSING. BUT YOU JUST DON'T WANT
TO APPLY THE DENSITY BONUSES SO
THAT LOW INCOME AND VERY LOW
INCOME PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY LIVE
THERE. THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE
TO ME. UM. AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO
ANSWER. I THANK YOU. YEAH, TO
YOUR POINT ABOUT A DELICATE
DANCE WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE
COAST WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT
PROPERTIES THAT FRONT BEACHES,
FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE ASSOCIATED
HABITATS IS THAT WE HAVE AREAS
THAT ARE ZONED FOR HOUSING AND
ALSO CONTAIN OR ARE ADJACENT TO
SENSITIVE COASTAL RESOURCES. AND
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A
DELICATE DANCE, THAT IS WHAT THE
CURRENT LANGUAGE OF SUBSECTION M
CALLING FOR HARMONIZATION ALLOWS
IT ALLOWS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
TO LOOK AT THE NUANCES OF HOW
CAN WE REALIZE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND THE VARIOUS
EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE AFFORDED BY
DENSITY BONUS LAW AND CONFIGURE
THEM INTO A PROJECT THAT IS ALSO
MINDFUL OF THE SENSITIVE COASTAL
RESOURCES THAT MAY BE ON SITE OR
ADJACENT SO AGAIN, IT PROVIDES
US WITH AN AVENUE FOR REACHING A
CONCLUSION THAT SATISFIES BOTH
PRINCIPAL OBJECTIVES HERE. WHAT
IS CHALLENGING? I MEAN, LOOK, MY
DISTRICT IS STRUGGLING WITH
HOUSING HOUSING ISSUES JUST LIKE
EVERY DISTRICT IN CALIFORNIA.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA I'M
SUPPORTING THE BILL. TODAY. UM,
I IT. I YOU KNOW, I'M I GUESS
I'M AT TIMES. I'M JUST
FRUSTRATED BY OUR DRASTIC NEED
FOR HOUSING IN SOME AREAS, AND,
UM AND ISSUES ISSUES LIKE THIS,
SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN THE DATA
THAT THE AUTHOR HAS OR CAN PUT
TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, IF PROJECTS
HAVEN'T BEEN DENIED. BUT HOW
MANY JUST HOW MANY JUST HAVEN'T
HAVEN'T GOTTEN, YOU KNOW,
HAVEN'T GOTTEN VERY FAR BECAUSE
THE INCLINATION OF THE IDEA WAS
THAT THERE WASN'T THEY WEREN'T
GOING TO GET VERY FAR BASED ON
ON THE PROJECTS THAT THEY WERE.
THEY WERE PROPOSED. THEY WERE
PUTTING FORWARD SO, UM, SO IT'S
THIS IS THIS IS A THIS IS A
REALLY CHALLENGING ISSUE. WE
WANT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS
TO HOUSING TO AND TO TELL THEM
THAT THEY CAN'T LIVE IN THE
COASTAL ZONE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT
GOING TO ALLOW THE DENSITY THERE
DOESN'T FEEL VERY GOOD TO ME.
QUITE FRANKLY, RECOGNIZING THAT
WE WANT TO PROTECT LAND AS WELL.
UM THAT'S THAT'S THE DELICATE
BALANCE HERE. AND YOU'RE SAYING
YOU WANT TO HARMONIZE. I'M
HEARING FROM HIM. THERE'S NOT
MUCH HARMONY. IF I MAY THROUGH
THE CHAIR, SOMETHING THAT I
NOTED IN MY TESTIMONY THAT I
JUST WANT TO RE EMPHASIZES THAT
THE COASTAL COMMISSIONERS FOR
WORKING SINCE THIS LANGUAGE WAS
INTRODUCED TO THE GOVERNMENT
CODE ON PARTNERING WITH LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS TO INTRODUCE DETAIL
INTO THEIR LCP S SO THAT IT
PROVIDES REGULATORY CERTAINTY
ABOUT WHAT HARMONIZATION LOOKS
LIKE IN THAT JURISDICTION, SO
IT'S NOT JUST A MYSTERY THAT
CREATES A CHILLING EFFECT ON
DEVELOPERS. WANTING TO INTRODUCE
PROJECTS IN THE COASTAL ZONE. I
WILL NOTE TO MY COLLEAGUE'S
POINT FROM HIS TESTIMONY. THE
COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE THE
REGULATORY AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO UNDERTAKE
SUCH L CPS TO REQUIRE TO
INTRODUCE THAT REGULATORY
CERTAINTY AND SO IN TERMS OF
PURSUING ADDITIONAL
CONVERSATIONS IN THE FUTURE,
THAT COULD BE ONE AVENUE FOR
FURTHERING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN
THE COASTAL ZONE IS TO REINSTATE
THAT AUTHORITY, WHICH THE
COMMISSION HAD PREVIOUSLY TO
REQUIRE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO
INCORPORATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
POLICIES INTO THEIR L. C. P S.
THAT IS SEPARATE, OF COURSE FROM
THE LANGUAGE AND M.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MAY LUIS
MIRANDA WITH BARRY COUNCIL VERY
COUNCIL REPRESENTS ABOUT 60 OR
70 DEVELOPMENT FIRMS OR PEOPLE
WITH INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT
LIKE LAW FIRMS, MANY OF THEM
REGARD DEVELOPING IN THE COASTAL
ZONE TO BE PROFESSIONALLY
IRRESPONSIBLE, GIVEN THE
AMBIGUITY OF THE LAW IN THE
COASTAL ZONE IN GENERAL, NOT
JUST WITH REGARD TO THE DENSITY
BOOK DENSITY BONUS LAW ALSO
POINT OUT THAT THIS BILL ONLY
APPLIES TO THE DENSITY BONUS
ITSELF BECAUSE THE COMMISSION
CAN STILL REVIEW THE PROJECT. IT
JUST CANNOT DENY THE PROJECT ON
THE SOLE BASIS THAT IT RECEIVES
A DENSITY BONUS CONSISTENT WITH
THIS SECTION. AND I'LL ALSO
POINT OUT THAT THIS BILL NOT
ONLY APPLIES TO PLACES WHERE
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE
IDENTIFIED THE LAND IS SUITABLE
FOR HOUSING, BUT WHERE THEY'VE
IDENTIFIED IT AS SUITABLE FOR
MULTI FAMILY HOUSING, BECAUSE
NOTHING ABOUT THE DENSITY BONUS,
LAW SAYS YOU CAN GO FROM SINGLE
FAMILY TO MULTI FAMILY. SO WHAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A
BILL THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO GO
FROM MAYBE A THREE STORY
BUILDING INTO A FOUR STORY
BUILDING BY OFFERING LOW INCOME
HOUSING, MODERN INCOME HOUSING
OR VERY LOW INCOME HOUSING.
WHICH I THINK IS A VERY SUITABLE
GOAL FOR THIS LEGISLATOR
LEGISLATURE TO ADVANCE AND ONE
THAT IT HAS IN OTHER AREAS, THE
LAW EVEN WITHIN THE COASTAL
ZONE. SO YOU KNOW WHAT? I AGREE
. THERE ARE DEFINITELY CASES
WHERE THE COASTAL ACT AND ITS
ENVIRONMENTAL MIND SHOULD
CONTROL. UM, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO
ACCEPT THAT THERE WOULD BE NO
SITUATIONS IN CASES LIKE IN
DOWNTOWN ARCATA OR IN DOWNTOWN
EUREKA, WHERE YOU WOULDN'T WANT
TO REWARD A PROJECT THAT'S
BRINGING FORWARD A SUBSTANTIAL
AMOUNT OF LOW INCOME HOUSING AS
A PART OF A DENSITY BONUS LAW
APPLICATION. I APPRECIATE LIKE I
SAID, THIS IS A DELICATE
BALANCE. I YOU KNOW MY COMMITTEE
COMMUNITIES WANT TO PROTECT THE
COASTLINE. THEY WANT TO PROTECT
OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. BUT THEY
ALSO WANT PLACES TO LIVE AND, UH
GOT UNIVERSITY AND, UH, HUMBOLDT
STATE HUMP CAL POLY HUMBLE
THAT'S STARVING FOR HOUSING FOR
STUDENTS STARVING FOR HOUSING
FOR, UH, FACULTY MEMBERS AND ALL
THE PEOPLE THAT GO ALONG WITH
THAT, AH AND REGIONS ARE
STRUGGLING, STRUGGLING WITH THIS
ISSUE, AND IT MEANS THAT THERE'S
A IT'S A DIFFERENCE, WHETHER
WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SURVIVE
IN THIS ECONOMY OR IN THIS IN
THIS, UH IN THIS ERA OR NOT. SO
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A THIS
IS A REALLY DIFFICULT DISCUSSION
AND WHAT I I'M GOING TO SUPPORT
THAT. SUPPORT THE SUPPORT THE
MISSION OF THE COASTAL
COMMISSION. I SUPPORT ALSO
SUPPORT THE MISSION OF TRYING TO
FIND HOUSING FOR PEOPLE. SO
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SOMEONE AT US. BUT I WANT TO
APPLAUD YOU FOR BEING SUCH A
CHAMPION FOR HOUSING. YOU'VE
BROUGHT A NUMBER OF THINGS
FORWARD, AND I VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE IT AND IT RESONATES
WITH ME. HOW HARD THIS
CONVERSATION AS I TWO SAT ON A
LOCAL COUNCIL THAT WAS IN THE
COASTAL ZONE. I THINK ALMOST THE
WHOLE CITY WAS PROBABLY IN THE
COASTAL ZONE. WE WERE ABLE TO
APPROVE WHAT I WOULD CALL
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 100% LOW
INCOME AND VERY LOW INCOME
HOUSING. IT WASN'T WITHOUT HIS
CHALLENGES. UM, I WILL SAY WHEN
YOU ASKED, YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD
MAKE THIS WORK FOR ME THAT YOU
KNOW, THE HARD STOP IS NOT
SUPERSEDING THE COASTAL ACT. IN
THE HOLE AND I'VE HEARD YOU SAY
YOU'LL TAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS.
THIS WAS ALSO VERY DIFFICULT FOR
ME TO WATCH TO SEE THAT THERE
WAS A CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED
THAT MAYBE WAS UNDERSTOOD IN TWO
DIFFERENT WAYS. SO I'M CONCERNED
WHEN THIS MOVE AS THIS MOVES ON
THAT WE DON'T GO BACK TO THAT
SITUATION WHERE I THINK THAT
I'VE SUPPORTED SOMETHING WITH
THE AMENDMENTS IN THERE. ALL OF
A SUDDEN IT FLIPS AND THERE'S
IT'S A DIFFERENT BILL THAT I SEE
ON THE FLOOR. SO WHILE I'M GOING
TO SUPPORT TODAY, I WILL SAY I'M
GOING TO RESERVE THAT RIGHT FOR
THE FLOOR. AND THAT, UM, THAT
THE COAST LACK PEACE IS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. BUT AGAIN
, I DO WANT TO APPLAUD THAT
YOU'RE PUSHING ON THIS ISSUE
BECAUSE IT'S VERY REAL ISSUE FOR
EVERY CALIFORNIAN, AND SO I
WOULD LIKE TO BE THERE WITH YOU
AS WE GO THROUGH THIS
CONVERSATION, KNOWING THAT THIS
IS A BACKSTOP FOR ME, KNOWING
THAT THIS IS SORT OF A VERY
IMPORTANT PIECE FOR MY DISTRICT
, THAT IS. I REALLY APPRECIATE
THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I WAS
ASKING THE CHAIR TO HAVE THIS
CONVERSATION. NATION BECAUSE I
LIKE TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE AND
SOME PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH
GOING TO A CERTAIN LENGTH AND
OTHERS ARE NOT AND THE INTENDED
TO TRY TO BRING UP. OBVIOUSLY A
BILL THAT'S GOING TO BE
SUCCESSFUL. I UNDER YOU'VE MADE
IT REALLY PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT
THIS IS, UM AN AMENDMENT THAT
MUST BE THERE ON THE FINAL DAY.
AH IF YOU FOR YOU TO SUPPORT
THIS, UM THAT'S THE KIND OF
FEEDBACK THAT I TOLD THE CHAIR
I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM HAPPENED
FROM THIS CONVERSATION. AND IF
THAT'S WHERE FOLKS ARE, THAT'S
WHERE FOLKS ARE. WE WILL MOVE
FORWARD. RESPECTING WHAT THE, UM
AMENDMENT WAS IN THIS COMMITTEE.
BUT HOPEFULLY CONTINUE TO TALK
TO OTHER COLLEAGUES TO SEE IF
THERE IS, UM A PATHWAY SO THAT
WE CAN CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND COASTAL
AREAS. THAT MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY
THE REMOVAL OF THIS ENTIRE
LANGUAGE. MAYBE IT'S SOME TWEAK
OF IT. SO I WANT TO BE REALLY
UPFRONT BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS
REPRESENTED. UNFORTUNATELY THAT
MAYBE I WASN'T BEING UP FRONT,
ALTHOUGH AGAIN MISUNDERSTANDING
THERE, SO I WANT TO BE REALLY
UPFRONT WITH YOU. NOW THAT, UM,
IT I LIKE TO SEE HOW WE CAN HAVE
MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
OPPORTUNITIES IN COASTAL AREAS.
THAT'S MY BOTTOM LINE. BUT UM,
ALSO JUST AFFORDABLE HOUSING
EVERYWHERE. AND IF THAT'S THIS
IS GOING TO THREATEN THE FACT
THAT WE CAN CREATE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING IN OTHER PLACES. THAT'S
UNFORTUNATE THAT THE COASTAL
COMMISSION IS TAKING THIS
POSITION, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'LL
HAVE TO ACCEPT. THANK YOU. I
APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK. THANK
YOU, MR PELLERIN. AND I'M IN
THAT SAME BOAT AS FAR AS THE
COASTAL ACTS CONCERNS, SO I'M
HOPING THAT THIS WILL CONTINUE
TO HAVE THAT AMENDMENT. I'M VERY
GRATEFUL YOU'RE TAKING IT TODAY,
SO I AM ABLE TO VOTE FOR IT. BUT
I ALSO RESERVE MY RIGHT TO
APPRECIATE THE CLARITY. THANK
YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU ANY OTHER
COMMENTS FOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS
AND I THOUGHT I HEARD THE
COASTAL COMMISSION SAY THAT THE
COASTAL QUESTION HAS NOT DENIED
HOUSING PROJECT. IS THAT WHAT I
HEARD THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY SO
THAT'S SUPER INTERESTING,
BECAUSE WHILE WE WERE SITTING
HERE, I GOOGLED THAT OKAY AND
RIGHT. HERE IS A PROJECT. IN
VENICE BEACH. APARTMENT PROJECT.
THAT, SAYS THE HEADLINE. THAT
THE COASTAL COMMISSION DENIED
OKAY? SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE
REAL CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT FACTS
WE'RE USING HERE BECAUSE THIS IS
A PROJECT THAT HAD 39 UNITS FOR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 19 SET ASIDE
FOR CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS. 20 FOR
TRANSITIONING YOUTH FROM 18 TO
24. SO TO SIT HERE ON THIS DIET
AND SAY THAT THE COASTAL
COMMISSION HAS NOT DENIED THIS
IS FACTUALLY INACCURATE UNLESS
THIS ARTICLE'S BS I DON'T THINK
IT IS. SO I THINK THIS IS THE
REASON WHY THE AUTHORS BRINGING
THIS BILL FORWARD. BECAUSE THE
CENTRAL VALLEY WE ARE DESPERATE
FOR HOUSING. AND IT'S NOT FAIR
FOR THE COASTAL PEOPLE TO BE
EXEMPT FROM THAT. SO IF YOU'RE
GOING TO HAVE THESE KIND OF
ARGUMENTS IN THIS COMMITTEE, I
THINK WE SHOULD COME WITH FACTS
AND I WILL JUST HAPPY TO SECOND.
THE BILL APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. UH, WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? UH NO, IT'S
JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR THE
FEEDBACK. THIS IS EXACTLY THE
CONVERSATION I WAS HOPING TO
ACHIEVE IN TERMS OF GETTING, UM
, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF
WHERE PEOPLE STAND ON WHETHER
COASTAL AREAS SHOULD PARTICIPATE
IN SOLVING OUR HOUSING CRISIS. I
BELIEVE THAT THESE SHOULD I
THINK THAT THEY HAVE A BIGGER
ROLE TO PLAY. IF THERE ARE OTHER
IDEAS FROM THE COMMISSION
INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT THEM
. UM, BUT WE'RE ASKING THE REST
OF THE STATE TO PARTICIPATE. IN
A PROGRAM THAT WILL HELP CREATE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT JUST LOW
INCOME BUT FROM MIDDLE INCOME
FAMILIES. THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL
IS ABOUT. UM AND THAT'S WHY I
APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. I ALSO
JUST HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I
HEARD A STATEMENT THAT, UM
COASTAL ACCESS IS IMPORTANT AND
THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE COAST.
PEOPLE SHOULD ALSO HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE ON THE
COAST, NOT JUST VISIT THE COAST,
AND THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT OF
THIS BILL WAS. AND I HOPE THAT
GOING FORWARD MAYBE WE COME UP
WITH OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT
EVERYONE CAN SUPPORT SO THAT THE
COAST HAS ACCESS FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING FOR ALL INCOME LEVELS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MADAM SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
GRIEVOUS. FLORA FLORA RIOTOUS AT
ITS I. FRIEDMAN HOOVER. MATHIS
MATHISEN MURATSUCHI. NOT VOTING,
PELLERIN. PALLOR AND I WARD I
WOULD WOULD I EVER. BILL HAS
FIVE VOTES WILL EVOLVE. PERHAPS
SOME MEMBERS THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. REMEMBER GARCIA.
PRESENTING MAYBE 15 67. I THANK
YOU, UM, MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. 15 67 IS A BILL THAT
FOCUSES ON CLIMATE RESILIENCY IS
THIS IS THE CLIMATE RESOURCE
BOND THAT INTENSE, UM. TO INVEST
$15 BILLION IMPROVEMENT
STRATEGIES TO RESPOND TO THE
RANGE OF IMPACTS OF CLIMATE
CHANGE. APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
THE PROCEEDS OF THE BOND SOLD
AND ISSUED UNDER THE ACT SHALL
BE ALLOCATED IN THE AREAS OF
WILDFIRE RISK REDUCTIONS,
PROTECTION OF COAST BASE, OCEANS
AND SEA LEVEL RISE. WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT WATER
INFRASTRUCTURE FOCUSED ON SAFE,
CLEAN DRINKING WATER, DROP
PREPARATION AND FLOOD
PROTECTION. ALSO LOOKING AT FISH
AND WILDLIFE AND ADAPTATION
INVESTMENTS, ALONG WITH
INVESTING INTO OUR AGRICULTURAL
COMMUNITIES. WE ALSO HAVE A
COUPLE OF SECTIONS THAT FOCUS ON
EXTREME HEAT. AND LASTLY,
LOOKING AT INVESTING TO PREPARE
OUR COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. I DON'T
NEED TO TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT
THESE INVESTMENTS ARE GIVEN THE
CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE
REDUCING OUR CLIMATE INVESTMENTS
FROM THE LAST TWO YEARS IN OUR
BUDGET. WITH ME TODAY. I HAVE
TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE
TESTIFYING AND ALVAREZ WITH THE
EAST HER WITH THE N C.
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE
AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. THANK
YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR IT. WAS IT TWO OR TWO
MINUTES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON
. MY NAME IS DR RON ALVAREZ AND
I'M HONORED TO SHARE MY
PERSPECTIVE AS A DEPUTY GENERAL
MANAGER OF THE LARGEST REGIONAL
PARK SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES
IS THE ORIGINAL PARTY DISTRICT
AND AS A PUBLIC SERVANT WITH
NEARLY 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN
PARKLAND MANAGEMENT AND REMOVING
BARRIERS FOR PUBLIC ACCESS TO
NATURE WHILE WE SOLVE IT FOR
CLIMATE EQUITY I ALSO SERVED ON
THE CALIFORNIA'S BIODIVERSITY
NETWORK STEERING COMMITTEE AND
THE STATE'S 30 BY 30 PARTNERSHIP
PLANNING COMMITTEE UNDER THE
LEADERSHIP OF NATURAL RESOURCES
SECRETARY WHITE CROW FOOD. I
WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MY
DEEPEST APPRECIATION FOR YOUR
COURAGE AND LEADERSHIP IN
SUPPORTING CALIFORNIA'S
UNPRECEDENTED CALL TO ACTION TO
PROTECT 30% OF ITS LANDS AND
WATERS OR WHAT I LIKE TO THINK,
WHERE REMAINS OF CALIFORNIA'S
NATURAL WORLD. IMPORTANTLY I
WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT
WHAT PUBLIC PARKLANDS AND OPEN
SPACES SERVE AS THE BACKBONE OF
CALIFORNIA'S PUBLIC HEALTH
INFRASTRUCTURE BY PROVIDING
OUTDOOR SPACES FOR PHYSICAL,
WELLNESS AND WELLNESS ACTIVITIES
. THEY ARE EQUALLY CRITICAL FOR
BUILDING RESILIENCE TO THE
CHANGING CLIMATE THROUGH THEIR
ECOLOGICAL SYSTEMS THAT SUPPORT
LIFE ON EARTH AND CONTRIBUTE TO
THE QUALITY OF LIKE OF LIFE TO
LOCAL COMMUNITIES BY AWAY
BACKGROUND, I'VE EARNED DOCTORAL
DEGREE IN POLICY PLANNING AND
DEVELOPMENT FROM THE UNIVERSITY
OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WITH A
FOCUS ON ESTABLISHING CLIMATE
CHALLENGE RESILIENCE STRATEGIES
THROUGH NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS
FOUND IN PUBLIC LANDS, MY
CULTURAL HERITAGE AND LIVE
EXPERIENCE IN THE INTERSECTION
OF THIS ISSUES. ALSO FRAMES MY
APPROACH, WHICH AT THE COURSE
SPEAK TO CLIMATE, SMART LAND
MANAGEMENT AND CLIMATE, EQUITY
AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. I
HAVE USED THIS EXPERIENCE TO
GUIDE MY WORK TO THE BENEFIT OF
LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND THE
ENVIRONMENT, INCLUDING THE EAST
BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT, A
PUBLIC AGENCY THAT STORES OVER
125,000 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE IN
ALAMEDA. ENCOUNTER CAST THE
COUNTIES IN THE SAN FRANCISCO
BAY METRO AREA NEIGHBORING
NEARLY THREE MILLION RESIDENTS
AND SUPPORTING OVER 25 MILLION
VISITS PER YEAR. IN MANY WAYS,
THIS REGIONAL PUBLIC PARKLAND
SERVE AS A CRITICAL LINE OF
RESILIENCE AGAINST THE IMPACTS
OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS BY
PROVIDING THE WILDFIRE
MITIGATION BARRIERS, LEVEL RICE
BUFFERS AND PROTECT CRITICAL
WATERSHEDS. PUBLIC LANDS ALSO
PROVIDE EQUITABLE ACCESS FOR
ESSENTIAL OUTDOOR ACTIVITY,
FUNDAMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND
WELLNESS. FOR ALMOST 90 YEARS
DEPART DISTRICT HAS PROTECTED
WILDLIFE QUARTERS IN THE EAST
BAY. AND ALSO FOR OVER 90 YEARS
OF PRODUCER HAS ALSO MAINTAINED
A CARBON SINK AND CONTINUES TO
SEQUESTER CARBON. UM THE
GOVERNORS IN CONCLUSION. I WOULD
LIKE TO SAY THAT THE PART
DISTRICT SERVICES THAT
DEMONSTRATION PROJECT OR THE
DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT A B 50 67
AMBITIONS IN A NEW MODEL OF
CONSERVATION, AND THAT CENTERS
EQUITY LIKE NEVER BEFORE, BY
CRYSTAL LIGHT IN THE USE OF
PUBLIC RESOURCES THAT MEANINGFUL
BENEFIT, MARGINALIZED
COMMUNITIES AND BRINGING CLIMATE
RESILIENCY. WE APPRECIATE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA AND THE
COLLEAGUES OF THIS IMPORTANT,
MUCH NEEDED CLIMATE
PREPAREDNESS. AND WE SUPPORT A B
52 67. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
THAT. ANY OTHER WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. I'M JUST GOING TO BE
SUPER BRIEF, GOOD. GOOD EVENING
, GONZALEZ, FATHER WITH THE
NATURE CONSERVANCY AND STRONG
SUPPORT AND THINKING
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA FOR HIS
ONGOING LEADERSHIP ON CLIMATE
BONDS. I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY
UPLIFT ONE SENTENCE FROM THE
ANALYSIS THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO
THE URGENCY OF THE MOMENT IN THE
BUDGET CRISIS BEFORE US IN THE
ANALYSIS RECOGNIZES THAT THE
STATE IS FACING A $22.5 BILLION
DEFICIT. AND MULTIBILLION DOLLAR
DEFICITS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL
FUTURE FISCAL YEARS. GOVERNOR
NEWSOM'S PROPOSED BUDGET WE'LL
SEE WHAT MAY REVISE LOOKS LIKE
FOR FISCAL YEAR. 2023 24
PROPOSES TO CUT $6 BILLION FROM
THE NATURAL RESOURCES BUDGETS.
THAT'S 27% OF THE TOTAL CUTS
FROM THE CLIMATE PACKAGE. SO WE
REALLY APPRECIATE THIS IS, YOU
KNOW, MAINTAINING THAT BACKS UP
THAT IS SO NEEDED AND WE REQUEST
BY BOAT AND APPRECIATE THE EARLY
MOTION SECOND. THANK YOU.
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN SUPPORT.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS SCOTT WEST
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
STATE ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRICAL
WORKERS. CALIFORNIA STATE PIPE
TRADES COUNCIL. WESTERN STATES
COUNCIL OF SHEET METAL WORKERS,
CALIFORNIA COALITION OF UTILITY
EMPLOYEES AND THE ELEVATOR
CONSTRUCTORS UNION IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR ALVARADO REDONDO ON BEHALF
OF TWO CLIENTS, TREAT PEOPLE AND
STRONG SUPPORT, REALLY
APPRECIATIVE OF THE EXTREMELY
CHAPTER AND THE ONGOING
CONVERSATIONS AROUND, INCLUDING
SCHOOL GREENING IN THE BOND, AS
WELL AS THE IRVINE RANCH WATER
DISTRICT. UM REALLY WOULD LOVE
TO SEE THE ADDITIONAL OF DAM
SAFETY FUNDING IN THE BILL IN
THE BOND, AS WELL AS WATER
RECYCLING AND OTHER COMPONENTS
THAT CAN HELP US SECURE
ADDITIONAL WATER SUPPLY IN
CALIFORNIA. APPRECIATE IT, AND
IT'S IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS, MICHAEL
GUNNING HERE ON BEHALF OF SANTA
CLARA WATER DISTRICT AND
SUPPORTIVE, AMENDED JUST LIKE HE
SAID. SAFETY IS IMPORTANT, TOO.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
ALFREDO MEDINA HERE ON BEHALF OF
THE IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT
, AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR HIS CONTINUED
DEDICATION AND LEADERSHIP IN
ADVOCATING FOR THE SULTAN C AND
THE NEW RIVER. THANK YOU. JAMIE
MINOR ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STORMWATER QUALITY
ASSOCIATION. SUPPORTING OF
AMENDED WOULD LOVE TO SEE, YOU
KNOW, JUST GIVEN THE STATE OF
AFFAIRS WITH FLOODING, STORM
WATER CAPTURE PROJECTS INCLUDED
IN THE BILL. THANK YOU. MADAM
CHAIR MARK FINSTER MAKER HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE SANTA CLARA VALLEY
OPEN SPACE AUTHORITY, AS WELL AS
THE COACHELLA VALLEY
CONSERVATION COMMISSION IN
SUPPORT. IN ADDITION HERE ON
BEHALF OF SONOMA WATER, WE ARE
IN A SUPPORT IF AMENDED. WE'D
LOVE TO SEE MORE INVESTMENT IN
THE INTEGRATED REGIONAL WATER
MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. THANK YOU.
GONZALEZ ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
OF COACHELLA. I WANT TO THANK
THE AUTHOR FOR INCLUDING
CHROMIUM SIX COMPLIANCE FUNDING
. THE INCLUDED FUNDING WILL GO A
LONG WAY TOWARDS ALLOWING CITIES
LIKE COACHELLA TO COMPLY WITH
THE FORTHCOMING STANDARD WHILE
KEEPING RATES AFFORDABLE. WE ALL
WANT ACCESS TO CLEAN DRINKING
WATER, BUT IT CANNOT COME AT THE
COST OF AFFORDABILITY AND ON
BEHALF OF THE SALTON SEA
AUTHORITY WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR HIS UNWAVERING
COMMITMENT TO THE SALTON SEA.
THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS BETH AH LASSO ON BEHALF
OF WATER REUSE. CALIFORNIA
APPRECIATE THE INCLUSION OF
RECYCLED WATER, BUT WE CAN SPEND
A LOT OF MONEY ON RECYCLED WATER
TO HELP CLIMATE RESILIENCE. UM
ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE STANDING
ON A WATERSHED PROJECT AUTHORITY
IN SUPPORT OF INCREASED FUNDING
FOR INTEGRATED INTEGRATED
REGIONAL WATER MANAGEMENT, AND
FINALLY SURANA WATER DISTRICT IN
SUPPORT OF FUNDING FOR DAM
SAFETY. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MICHAELA ELDER ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF LOCAL
CONSERVATION, CORPSE AND STRONG
SUPPORT. WE WANT TO THANK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA FOR THE
MOST RECENT AMENDMENTS, WHICH
WILL ENSURE THAT THEIR GREEN
CAREER PATHWAYS FOR CALIFORNIA'S
YOUNG ADULTS THANK YOU. JANET
COX FOR CLIMATE ACTION,
CALIFORNIA AND THE CLIMATE
REALITY PROJECT, CALIFORNIA
COALITION AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS ERIC TURNER ON
BEHALF OF EASTERN MUNICIPAL
WATER DISTRICT. SAN AMERICA
CINEMA, MARGARITA WATER DISTRICT
AND MONTEREY. ONE WATER
SUPPORTIVE, AMENDED RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR
WATER RECYCLING PROJECTS. THANK
YOU. 40 MICHAEL'S AFFAIR WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
IN SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING OR GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
. CHRISTIAN OLSSON, CALIFORNIA
STRATEGIES ON BEHALF OF THE SAN
DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY AND
UNITED WATER CONSERVATION
DISTRICT, APPRECIATE THESE BOND
CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD AND
APPRECIATE THE AUTHORS INTEREST,
INCLUDING DAM SAFETY IN THE
FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT, ARE THERE WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION? OKAY SEE NONE NEXT
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PELLERIN. GREAT
BILL, AND I'D LIKE TO BE AT IT
AS A CO AUTHOR. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLY MEMBER AT THIS SAME
THING, I JUST IF YOU COULD TALK
A TINY BIT ABOUT THE WATER
RECYCLING PROJECT COMMENT THAT
WAS JUST MADE OF THERE'S
THOUGHTS ABOUT BRINGING IN MORE
FINANCING THERE. AND I ONLY ASK
THIS COMING FROM A CITY WHERE WE
DID A VERY LARGE WATER
RECLAMATION PROJECT. VERY
DIFFICULT, VERY EXPENSIVE. YEAH,
WE DEFINITELY HAVE RECEIVED
QUITE A BIT OF INTEREST IN
INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY
IN THE WATER RECYCLING. AND I
THINK WE HAVE SOME ROOM TO ADD
SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THERE.
THANK YOU WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BE
ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SOME
MEMBER OF WOOD. OKAY YOU WOULD
LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR,
RIGHT? OKAY. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
OKAY? MURATSUCHI TOO, OR DID YOU
HAVE A QUESTION COMMENT OR YOU
JUST OKAY, I KNOW. I HEARD. I
JUST SAW YOUR HAND. YEAH HE
WANTS IN, HE SAID. LIKE OKAY. I
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE CLEAR THAT I'M NOT MISSING
ANY COMMENTS OR FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. OKAY THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD. UM I KNOW
THAT THESE ARE THERE'S MORE
CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU WILL
CONTINUE AS WE MOVE ALONG THIS
PROCESS, BUT I AM DEFINITELY IN
SUPPORT AND ALSO WOULD LIKE TO
BE ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR.
ABSOLUTELY AND WE'RE AGAIN.
WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH
FOLKS REGARDING THEM. SAFETY
RECYCLING. STORMWATER CAPTURED
AND THE INTEGRATED REGIONAL
WATER MANAGEMENT. SECTIONS SO WE
DEFINITELY WILL SEE SOME
MOVEMENT THERE IN WALL. SO START
TALKING TO OUR FRIENDS IN THE
SENATE, WHO ALSO HAVE A CLIMATE
POND THAT THEY'RE MOVING AND
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
INTEGRATE YOU KNOW THESE
PRIORITIES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
VOTE AND WE ARE ACCEPTING A
HANDFUL OF AMENDMENTS THAT WERE
CARRIED OVER FROM THE WATER
PARKS AND WILDLIFE COMMITTEE. SO
THANK YOU. OKAY THANK YOU. YEAH
MY NEXT QUESTION WAS WHETHER
YOU'RE ACCEPTING THOSE
AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. DO WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A WE DID OKAY.
WHERE OKAY, OKAY. OKAY MOTION
FROM ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PELLERIN,
SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S AT US
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
MOTION IS DUE PAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS REVERSE I RIVAS I
FLORA. NOT VOTING. ADDIS I.
FRIEDMAN HOOVER. MATHIS. MATH IS
NO MERIT. SUKI SUKI, I PELLERIN
PELLERIN. I WARD WOULD. WOULD I
BURN? AYE. THAT BILL HAS SIX
VOTES WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR
ABSENT MEMBERS. THIS. YEAH NEXT,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PACHECO A B 3
24.
I DID. I DON'T KNOW. TAKE IT
OFF. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE TODAY I COME BEFORE
YOU TO PRESENT ASSEMBLY BILL 3
TO 4 STATES RECENTLY ADOPTED
SCOPING PLAN AS WELL AS A LITANY
OF ACADEMIC AND SCIENTIFIC
INSTITUTIONS HAVE ALL CONCLUDED
THAT RENEWED RENEWABLE HYDROGEN
IS CRUCIAL FOR US TO MEET OUR
CLIMATE GOALS. THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT PASSED LEGISLATION
SUPPORTING THIS CONCLUSION
THROUGH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
FUNDING FOR GRANTS TO STATES
WITH THE SUPPORTIVE RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN POLICY FRAMEWORK LIKE
THE ONE PROPOSED IN THIS BILL.
83 24 WILL HELP US TAKE A SMALL
STEP FORWARD AND ESTABLISHED
ESTABLISHING STATE UTILITY
POLICY ON RENEWABLE HYDROGEN BY
SIMPLY REQUIRING THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION TO
CONSIDER ADOPTING RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN PROCUREMENT GOALS FOR
GAS UTILITIES. BECAUSE OF BILL'S
LANGUAGE ONLY AUTHORIZES A PUC
TO CONSIDER. NO NEW MANDATE IS
BEING ESTABLISHED BY THIS BILL.
A B 3 24 WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THE
PUC TO WEIGH COSTS. COST
EFFECTIVENESS. SAFETY AND
ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS BEFORE
ADOPTING GOALS OR TARGETS. FOR
SAFETY. THE BILL GOES EVEN
FURTHER AND SPECIFICALLY
REQUIRES A PUC TO ESTABLISH A
PIPELINE SAFETY MONITORING
PROGRAM FOR RENEWABLE HYDROGEN.
A B 3 24 EXPANDS SENATE BILL 14
40. THE WESSEL BILL TO USE
INCLUDE TO ALSO INCLUDE
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN, AND WITH ME
TODAY I HAVE TWO WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. JARED LOU KLEIN, PUBLIC
POLICY MANAGER AND STRATEGIC
PLANNING AT SOCAL GAS AND SCOTT
WEDGE FROM THE CALIFORNIA STATE.
PIPE TRADES COUNCIL. I HAND IT
OVER TO MY WITNESSES WHO WILL
NOW TESTIFY. GOOD AFTERNOON.
GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JARED.
LOOK LINE. I AM A PUBLIC POLICY
MANAGER. SO CAL GAS THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK. IN 2018 SP 14 40, WHICH
AUTHORIZED THE PUC TO CONSIDER
ESTABLISHING BIO METHANE
PROCUREMENT TARGETS WAS PASSED
BY THE LEGISLATURE AND SIGNED
INTO LAW BY THE GOVERNOR. MAYBE
3 TO 4 MAKES A SIMPLE BUT
IMPORTANT CHANGE TO THAT POLICY
OR THAT PROGRAM BY AUTHORIZING
THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER
ESTABLISHING RENEWABLE HYDROGEN
TARGETS. MAYBE 3 TO 4 MAINTAINS
THE SAFETY AND THE BENEFITS OF
THE CURRENT PROGRAM BY SIMPLY
AUTHORIZING THE PUC TO CONSIDER
ANOTHER RENEWABLE FUEL OPTION TO
HELP US MEET OUR GHD GOALS AS
WELL AS TO ACHIEVE CARBON
NEUTRALITY. UH SINCE THE SIGNING
OF 14 40. IT'S BECOME
INCREASINGLY APPARENT TO ALL OF
US THAT RENEWABLE HYDROGEN IS AN
IMPORTANT TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX
AND SOMETHING THAT'S SERIOUSLY
NEEDED IN ORDER SO AS TO ACHIEVE
OUR GOALS, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN
THE HARD TO ELECTRIFY SECTORS,
ADDITIONALLY, THROUGH
LEGISLATION AND BUDGET
ALLOCATIONS, THE LEGISLATURE HAS
SEEING THE IMPORTANCE OF
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN AS WELL AS
THE IMPORTANCE OF PROCUREMENT
MANDATES AND THE EFFECT THAT
THEY HAVE ON EMERGING
TECHNOLOGIES. THIS IS VERY
SIMILAR TO THE RPS. THE RPS HAS
DRIVEN DOWN THE COST OF WIND AND
SOLAR. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING
TO ATTEMPT TO DO HERE. WE'VE
ESTABLISHED CLEAN ELECTRONS. NOW
LET'S DO CLEAN MOLECULES.
FINALLY THIS BILL DOES THREE
THINGS BEFORE THE PUC CAN
ESTABLISH ANY GOALS. IT REQUIRES
COST EFFECTIVENESS. IT REQUIRES
THE PIPE THE INJECTION OF
HYDROGEN TO BE SAFE. AND IT ALSO
REQUIRES NO NEW AIR EMISSIONS AS
THE RESULT OF THE PROGRAM. WITH
THAT REQUEST, LEE RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. MHM MADAM CHAIR.
REMEMBER SCOTT, WHICH ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE PIPE
TRADES COUNCIL, THE STATE
ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRICAL
WORKERS AND THE CALIFORNIA
COALITION OF UTILITY EMPLOYEES.
MY COLLEAGUE HERE DID IT
ADMIRABLE JOB DESCRIBING HOW
MODEST THIS BILL IS. I JUST LIKE
TO PUT A LITTLE HISTORICAL
PERSPECTIVE. MY CLIENTS. HAVE
BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF
SUPPORTING OUR PUSHED TOWARDS
DECARBONIZATION. DESPITE THE
FACT THAT WE HAVE TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN THE GAS
INDUSTRY, WE SPONSORED THE VERY
FIRST EXPANSION OF THE RPS TO
33% WE SPONSORED THE BILL THAT
TOOK US TO 50% RESPONSE TO THE
BILL TO 60% SUPPORTED SB 100
THAT TOOK US TO 100% WE ARE WE
LAST YEAR SUPPORTED THE CLIMATE
PACKAGE. DESPITE THE FACT THAT
MANY FOLKS IN THE FOSSIL
INDUSTRY THAT WE WORKED WITH
WERE NOT PLEASED WITH THAT, ALL
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN PROMISED THAT
THERE WOULD BE THESE GREEN JOBS
THAT WOULD COME TO FOLLOW. IF
YOU ARE ONE OF MY 4000 GAS
WORKERS AT PG AND E OR ONE OF MY
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PLUMBERS
AND PIPEFITTERS THROUGHOUT THE
STATE. THERE ARE ONLY SEVERAL
TYPES OF RENEWABLE ENERGY WHERE
YOU HAVE JOBS, ALL RIGHT.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLUMBERS
AND PIPEFITTERS DOING SOLAR
WORK. THIS IS A PROMISE THAT
THIS INSTITUTION IS MADE THAT
THERE WILL BE THESE JOBS IF WE
CAN'T SUPPORT THIS MODEST,
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN BUILD.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY
HYDROGEN BUILD THAT YOU'LL EVER
BE ABLE TO SUPPORT. SO LET'S BE
HONEST. LET'S MOVE THIS FORWARD.
IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING BUT
AUTHORIZED THE PUC TO CONSIDER
THIS. IF IT'S SAFE, AND IF, UH
IT'S SUSTAINABLE. I WOULD JUST
LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE
OPPOSITION'S ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE
COST OF HYDROGEN BEING HIGHER
THAN OTHER RENEWABLE HYDROGEN
BEING HIGHER THAN OTHER ENERGY
SOURCES. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW WE
GOT THE SOLAR INDUSTRY OFF THE
GROUND. WE AUTHORIZED THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES TO
INVEST RATEPAYER MONEY INTO A
TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS NOT
COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER TYPES OF
ENERGY. AND NOW LOOK. TODAY WE
HAVE A ROBUST PHOTOVOLTAIC SOLAR
INDUSTRY THAT IS CHEAPER THAN
ANY OTHER FORM OF ENERGY, AND
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TO
DO WITH THIS NASCENT INDUSTRY,
SO I WOULD STRONGLY IMPLORE YOU
FOR AN I VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT. MCHALE, SCHOLARLY HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
HYDROGEN COLLISION IN THE
CALIFORNIA HYDROGEN BUSINESS
COUNCIL AND SUPPORT JULIA 11
BIOENERGY ASSOCIATION OF
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT. DURING
AMRO'S RINCON BANNER, LOOSE
ENNIO INDIANS AND SUPPORT.
MCGOWAN ON BEHALF OF THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY SANITATION
DISTRICTS AND SUPPORT. JACKIE
ANNA'S ON BEHALF OF THE
COALITION FOR RENEWABLE NATURAL
GAS AND SUPPORT. NEXT ARE THERE
ANY WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION?
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. I'M
MARK FINSTER MAKER. I'M HERE FOR
EARTH JUSTICE WHERE RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED TO MAYBE 3 24. AND WE
OPPOSE THIS BILL BECAUSE WE
OPPOSE BLENDING HYDROGEN INTO
THE GAS SYSTEM AS IT IS AN
EXPENSIVE, DANGEROUS AND
INEFFICIENT USE OF WHAT CAN BE
REALLY IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR
ACHIEVING OUR CLEAN AIR AND
CLIMATE GOALS. WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT WITH RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN AND IS USING RENEWABLE
ELECTRICITY TO POWER
ELECTROLYSIS. AND CREATE THIS
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN, THEN
INJECTED INTO THE GAS PIPELINE
TO BE USED IN HOMES FOR HEATING
PURPOSES. OR CURRENTLY MOVING ON
USING THAT SAME RENEWABLE
ELECTRICITY TO DO THAT SAME
HEATING PROCESS IN OUR HOMES AND
IN BUSINESSES. AND THE STUDIES
SHOW THAT UTILIZING THIS
RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY DIRECTLY
IS 3 TO 7 TIMES CHEAPER THAN
USING RENEWABLE HYDROGEN IN THIS
ASPECT. BUT THIS BILL WOULD SET
THE CPUC FORD TO GO AHEAD AND
CREATE PROCUREMENT MANDATES FOR
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN. TO MAKE
MATTERS WORSE. THE CLIMATE
BENEFITS ARE NEGLIGIBLE AT BEST
AS THE ANALYSIS POINTS OUT THE
AMOUNT THAT CAN BE SAFELY
BLENDED INTO THE GAS PIPELINE IS
ABOUT 5% SO WE'RE STILL
DEVELOPING, DELIVERING 95% GAS
BLEND, WHICH IS 5% HYDROGEN.
SOME OTHER STUDIES HAVE SHOWN
THAT UP TO 20% MIGHT BE SAFE.
THIS IS REALLY THE IDEAL AMOUNT
OF HYDROGEN THAT CAN BE BLENDED
INTO THE GAS SYSTEM SO THAT THAT
20% BLEND WE GET A 6 TO 7% GHD
BENEFIT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
A RESOURCE THAT'S GOING TO BE 3
TO 7 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN
ELECTRIFICATION WITH ONLY A 6 TO
7% GHG BENEFIT. NOW WE JUST
HEARD THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS SO
WE CAN LEVEL EYES THE COST FOR
HYDROGEN. WE ARE ALREADY
CONSUMING VAST AMOUNTS OF
HYDROGEN AND CALIFORNIA, MOSTLY
IN OIL, REFINING PROCESSES AND
AMMONIA PRODUCTION FOR
FERTILIZER. AND THIS IS ALL
BEING DONE WITH GRAY HYDROGEN.
SO WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES
SHOULDN'T WE BE TARGETING OUR
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN FOR THOSE
PROCESSES FIRST, BEFORE WE START
INJECTING IT INTO THE GAS
PIPELINE? ONE LAST POINT.
HYDROGEN IS THE SMALLEST
MOLECULE ON EARTH. IT'S GOING TO
LEAK FROM THIS GAS SYSTEM. IT'S
ALSO GOING TO BE VENTED FROM
THIS GAS SYSTEM, WHICH MEANS
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE
COMBUSTED HYDROGEN BEING
RELEASED UP INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
EMERGING SCIENCE IS SHOWING THAT
WHEN WE HAVE DONE COMBUSTED
HYDROGEN, IT WILL MIX WITH
METHANE UP IN THE ATMOSPHERE. IT
WILL BOND TO IT. IT WILL MAKE
ITS LIFESPAN LAST LONGER.
METHANE IS A SHORT LIVED CLIMATE
POLLUTANTS. THE KEY IS THAT IT'S
SHORT LIVED, SO IF WE'RE GOING
TO ALLOW HYDROGEN Tð EXACERBATE
AND PROLONG THAT LIFESPAN. WE'RE
ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY MOVING
AGAINST SOLVING OUR CLIMATE
GOALS WITH THIS APPLICATION. 30
SECONDS, PLEASE WRAP UP AGAIN.
HYDROGEN. CAN HAVE A POSITIVE
IMPACT FOR OUR CLIMATE GOALS
GOING FORWARD, BUT NOT IN THIS
APPLICATION. WE ASK YOU TO
PLEASE VOTE NO ON A B 3 24.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, MICHAEL
BROKE A DOOR ON BEHALF OF THE
EGG ENERGY CONSUMERS
ASSOCIATION. I WANT TO BE VERY
CLEAR AND I TESTIFIED EARLIER.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO HYDROGEN
AND WE SUPPORTED SENATOR HUESO.
THOSE 14 40 BIO METHANE. THIS IS
NOT A SIMPLE LITTLE ADDITION TO
SENATE BILL 14 40. THIS IS AN
ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MOLECULE. AS
YOU JUST HEARD. MR FINSTER MAKER
MAKES THE POINT. I WANT TO FOCUS
ON TWO THINGS. AS I SAID, WE'RE
SUPPORTIVE. WE SEE A USE FOR
HYDROGEN AND THE TRANSPORTATION
SECTOR C A USE FOR HYDROGEN IN
POWER PLANTS AND BLENDING AND
INDUSTRIAL SETTINGS. OTHER USES
. WE DON'T SEE A USE FOR
HYDROGEN AND THE EXISTING
PIPELINE SYSTEM FOR MANY OF THE
REASONS THAT MARK MENTIONED I
WANT TO FOCUS ON TWO ISSUES FOR
YOU. PREMATURE NATURE OF THIS,
WHICH IS WELL OUTLINED IN THE
COMMITTEE ANALYSIS. THE ENERGY
COMMISSION CPUC IN THE CARB, ALL
ANALYZING WHAT IS THE PROPER
ROLE FOR HYDROGEN. THEY'LL MAKE
THE DETERMINATION. THIS BILL
GETS FAR AHEAD OF THAT PROCESS.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN DETERMINED
THROUGH THE PILOT PROJECTS THAT
WERE ORDERED BY THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION A YEAR AND
A HALF AGO IF IT'S SAFE TO PUT
INTO THE PIPELINE SYSTEM AT ANY
SIGNIFICANT LEVEL, WE SHOULD
ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN FIRST,
BEFORE WE TELL THE UTIL TELL THE
PUC TO BEGIN HAVING THE
UTILITIES PROCURE HYDROGEN. I DO
WANT TO FOCUS ON COSTS BECAUSE
HYDROGEN IS VERY EXPENSIVE TODAY
AND WE ALL SAW AS I MENTIONED
EARLIER. WHAT HAPPENED TO
NATURAL GAS PRICES THIS WINTER.
THIS BILL WILL LOCK IN HIGHER
NATURAL GAS PRICES FOR ALL OF
YOUR CONSTITUENTS. IT'S GOING TO
ADD TO THE COSTS OF THE BIO
METHANE PROCUREMENT. NOW WE'VE
GOT HYDROGEN PROCUREMENT AND DO
NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT
SO CAL GAS COMPANY IS ASKING FOR
A 46% RATE INCREASE 46% BEFORE
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
TODAY, ON TOP OF ALL THIS
PROCUREMENT THEY WANT TO DO.
THAT ALONE WILL ADD $4.9 BILLION
TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS
IN JUST THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS
GRANTED BY THE PUC. QUICKLY
SEEING OUR NATURAL GAS PRICES,
WHICH ARE ALREADY FOUR TIMES
HIGHER THAN NATIONAL BENCHMARKS
EXCEED AT THE END OF THE DAY.
THIS BILL IS ABOUT ONE COMPANY.
WHO WANTS TO CREATE A NEW MARKET
FOR ITSELF AND HYDROGEN, AND
IT'S DOING SO ON THE BACKS OF
RAPE PAIRS. SEMPRA ENERGY. SO
CAL GASSES, PRIVATE. PARENT
COMPANY COULD EASILY MAKE
INVESTMENTS AND HYDROGEN TO
BRING DOWN THE COST OF HYDROGEN
. THEY'RE NOT CHOOSING TO DO
THAT WITH SHAREHOLDER DOLLARS.
THEY'RE PUTTING THIS ALL ON THE
BACKS OF THEIR RATEPAYERS. ALL
THESE COSTS GET PASSED THROUGH
TO RATEPAYERS, 100. THANK YOU.
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A NO VOTE.
THANK YOU. THERE ARE ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION.
FIGHTING MY PALS AWAY WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL ORDERS
IN OPPOSITION TO THE 3 TO 4.
SECURE CARTER ON BEHALF OF
SIERRA CLUB, CALIFORNIA AND
OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. CHAIR
MEMBERS, DEAN TALLY WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURERS AND
TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATION
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED. JANET COX
FOR 33 50, HUMBOLDT 3, 50,
SACRAMENTO AND CLIMATE ACTION
CALIFORNIA IN OPPOSITION. THANK
YOU. NEXT. WE'LL BRING IT BACK
TO THE COMMITTEE ANY QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS? ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
PELLERIN. CAN UM, THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD
TODAY. CAN YOU TELL ME MORE
ABOUT HOW THE PUC WOULD ENSURE
SAFETY BEFORE REQUIRING THE
PROCUREMENT GOALS THAT YOU HAVE
IN THE BILL? SO I DON'T WORK FOR
THE PUC. BUT PART OF THE PROCESS
OF THE PILOTS ARE TO ESTABLISH
NOT ONLY SAFETY, YOU KNOW,
SAFETY THRESHOLDS. SAFE TO
ADDRESS SAFETY CONCERNS THROUGH
THESE PILOTS. UM AND TO MAKE
SURE THAT IN THESE INDEPENDENT
PILOT PROGRAMS WHERE THE
INJECTION IS SAFE. THAT IS ONE
WAY TO DO IT. WE'VE DONE
INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS. YOU SEE,
RIVERSIDE HAS DONE IT. AS WELL
AT THE DIRECTION OF THE PUC. SO
IN ADDITION TO BOTH THE PILOTS
AND THE UC RIVERSIDE STUDY I
THINK THAT WILL BE WELL ON OUR
WAY THE PUC MAY GO ABOVE AND
BEYOND THAT. BUT THEY HAVE NOT
ALLUDED TO ANYTHING WITH ANY
OPEN PROCEEDING CURRENTLY.
YOU'RE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FOR? SO, UM.
I'M LOOKING AT THE BILL, AND IT
DOESN'T LOOK TO ME. LIKE SO
FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS THE TIME
FRAME ON THE PUC REGULATORY
PROCESS? IS IT SO IT TOOK THREE
YEARS TO IMPLEMENT 14 40? SO IT
LOOKS TO ME LIKE WHEN I LOOK AT
THE REGULATORY PROCESS THAT THIS
, SO DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S THAT
TIMING ON IT, BUT IT JUST SAYS
THAT THERE WILL BE A REGULATORY
PROCESS AND THEN IT SAYS THAT UM
NO. WE'LL OPEN A PROCEEDING. UM
CONSIDERATE, CONSIDER
ESTABLISHING RENEWABLE HYDROGEN
PROCUREMENT GOALS FOR EACH GAS
CORPORATION CONSIDER REQUIRING
EACH GUEST CORPORATION TO
ANNUALLY PROCURE PROPORTIONATE
SHARE OF RENEWABLE HYDROGEN TO
MEET PROCUREMENT GOALS.
ESTABLISHED PURSUANT TO
PARAGRAPH ONE. BEFORE
ESTABLISHING THESE GOALS THEY
NEED TO DETERMINE THAT THEY'RE
COST EFFECTIVE. THAT THE TARGETS
COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE STATE
LAWS THAT THE SAFETY RISKS OF
USING RENEWABLE HYDROGEN AND
PIPELINES WILL BE APPROPRIATELY
REGULATED, MITIGATED AND
MONITORED. AND HYDROGEN SHALL
NOT BE TRANSPORTED IN PIPELINES
UNTIL THE COMMISSION ACTS TO SET
SAFETY STANDARDS IN THE
PIPELINES MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE AND I JUST
JOANNA, IT'S ASK IF FOLKS FROM
THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY I
SORT OF SHARED THE CONCERN ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT THE GREEN
HYDROGEN DEFINITION IS CORRECT.
AND I'VE TALKED TO THE AUTHOR
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SHE WOULD
BE WILLING TO MEET WITH THE
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY ABOUT
THAT PIECE OF IT. BUT I ALSO
THINK THAT HYDROGEN IS SOMETHING
THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE
FUTURE. UM AND SO TO ME, THE
REGULATORY STRUCTURE DOESN'T
SEEM LIKE IT'S A BIG DEAL. I
MEAN, THESE TAKE A LONG PERIOD
OF TIME, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE
CONCERNS THAT YOU'RE RAISING OR
SORT OF ADDRESSED ARE ADDRESSED
IN THE CRITERION THAT HAVE TO BE
MET BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING, AND
IT DOESN'T MANDATE ANYTHING. SO
I JUST WONDER IF YOU COULD
RESPOND TO THAT. YEAH,
ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD GO BACK TO
MY COMMENTS THAT YOU KNOW, EVEN
IF WE HAVE UH, THE MOST
PREFERENTIAL FORM OF HYDROGEN
BEING MADE. SO YOU HAVE SOLAR
POWERING ELECTROLYSIS TO SPLIT
THE HYDROGEN MODEL MOLECULE OFF
OF THE WATER. YOU PUT THAT INTO
THE GAS SYSTEM. YOU ARE ONLY
GOING TO GET A 6 TO 7% GHD
BENEFIT OUT OF THAT. AND THAT IS
BECAUSE HYDROGEN IS NOT AS
ENERGY INTENSIVE OF A MOLECULE
AS GAS. AND SO WE'RE STILL
DELIVERING LARGE AMOUNTS OF GAS
INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES FOR
COMBUSTION TO UTILIZE THE WATER
HEATER OR UTILIZE A SPACE
HEATER. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO
START SET THESE PROCUREMENT
MANDATES WHERE THE GAS
CORPORATIONS ARE GOING TO BE OUT
THERE, PROCURING THIS HYDROGEN
BUT STILL PROLONGING THE
DELIVERY OF GAS AND AT THE SAME
TIME WE ARE TRANSITIONING AND
SPENDING MILLIONS HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON
ELECTRIFICATION. AND SO WHY ARE
WE DISTRACTING OURSELVES FROM
ELECTRIFYING THESE PROCESSES AND
PEOPLE'S HOMES TO DELIVER?
SOMETHING THAT REALLY ISN'T
GOING TO HAVE GREAT GHD OUTCOMES
AND AGAIN. THIS GAS SYSTEM IS
GOING TO END UP PUTTING HYDROGEN
INTO THE ATMOSPHERE ON COMBUSTED
, AND I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTATE
BECAUSE IT STILL IS EMERGING
SCIENCE, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO
DO TO THE ATMOSPHERE. BUT IT
DOESN'T THE REGULAR. I MEAN, SO
I JUST AS A YOU KNOW, A
THEORETICAL FRAMEWORK I TEND TO
LIKE REGULATORY PROCESSES OVER
US LEGISLATING HERE BECAUSE WE
HAVE TO MAKE A BUNCH OF
DECISIONS BASED ON YOU KNOW, A
SEVEN PAGE REPORT AND SORT OF,
YOU KNOW SOME VERY HIGH LEVEL
ARGUMENT, SO TO ME IT I LIKE
REGULATORY PROCESSES, AND IT
LOOKS TO ME LIKE A LOT OF THE
THINGS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT
ARE THINGS THAT WOULD BE TAKEN
INTO CONSIDERATION AS PART OF
THE REGULATORY PROCESS, AND SO
THAT I THINK WHAT I'M GRAPPLING
WITH THE OTHER PIECE OF IT, UM,
GOING BACK TO THE AUTHOR? I DO
HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE
DEFINITION OF THE RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN AND AMATEURS WONDERING
IF YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH
THE OPPOSITION AND OTHERS ABOUT
SORT OF THAT DEFINITION. WE JUST
TAX IN ANOTHER HEARINGS TALKED A
LOT ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN, AND I THINK
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE
IN THAT AREA, BUT WAS WONDERING
IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO MEET WITH
THEM. I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO MEAN
UM, I HAVE AN OPEN DOOR POLICY
AND ALWAYS WILLING TO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS. I'M DONE. THANK
YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SEE NONE. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AS
YOU HEARD FROM QUESTIONS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THERE'S A LOT
OF CONCERNS AND FROM THE
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY. I HOPE
THAT YOU CONTINUE THOSE
DISCUSSIONS. UM AND ADDRESS SOME
OF THESE CONCERNS. I KNOW. I
DON'T THINK ALL OF THEM CAN BE
RIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S
SOME MAY BE FULL OF SOFT ICAL
DIFFERENCES, BUT, UM, I
APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE WILLING
TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. I
HAVE SOME CONCERNS OVER SAFETY,
BUT I KNOW ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
PELLERIN PROBABLY WANNA ALIGN MY
QUESTION WITH HERS. UM, BUT I
WILL BE SUPPORTING THE BILL
TODAY. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? YES SO I JUST WANTED
TO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND ALSO TO
THE OPPOSITION. I RESPECT
EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING,
UM I RESPECT THAT. YOU
UNDERSTAND? YOU KNOW, HYDROGEN
IS IMPORTANT. AND IT IS
IMPORTANT AS SO. THIS BILL,
SIMPLY, UH IT REQUIRES
CONSIDERATION AGAIN. THERE'S NO
MANDATES. IT'S JUST
CONSIDERATION OF THE USE OF
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN. IN THE
UTILITY PIPELINE SYSTEM, IF
DETERMINED BY THE C P. U. S C,
SO OF COURSE IT NEEDS TO BE
DETERMINED WHETHER IT'S COST
EFFECTIVE, WHETHER IT'S EVEN
SAFE TO DO SO. AND SO WE'RE JUST
ASKING FOR THE CPUC TO CONSIDER
THIS NO MANDATES JUST TO
CONSIDERATION, AND SO I
APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME. AND
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A
MOTION? MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SPUR. IS THERE
A SECOND? NO. DO CAUSE US.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS WILL
SECOND, UM, SECRETARY, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. A B 3 24. THE
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS THREE OF US.
RIVAS. I FLORA. AT US. IT'S NOT
VOTING. FRIEDMAN HOOVER. WHOEVER
I MATHIS. IT IS NOT VOTING
MIRROR ITSUKI MURATSUCHI NOT
VOTING, PELLERIN. HELLER AND I
AWARD WORD. WOULD NOT VOTING,
SAYS BERG. SUBIR? AYE. 4 TO 0.
BEFORE THAT BILL HAS FOUR VOTES
. IT'S ON CALL. WAIT TILL ABSENT
MEMBERS AT ON. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU.
I'M NEXT. WE'LL GO TO THE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. BILLS WILL
START WITH ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
SOUCI A B 12 16. THIS BILL. OKAY
GREAT. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MEMBERS THIS IS A DISTRICT BILL
TO ADDRESS. UH, A. VERY SERIOUS
CONCERN AND WHAT I'M THE CITIES
THAT I REPRESENT THE CITY OF EL
SEGUNDO AS WELL AS OTHER
SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AROUND
THE HYPERION WASTEWATER
TREATMENT PLANT. SIMPLY PUT
RESIDENTS DESERVE TO KNOW THAT
THE AIR THAT THEY'RE BREATHING
IS SAFE TO BREATHE. THIS BILL IS
A SIMPLE MEASURE THAT WOULD
REQUIRE HYPERION WASTEWATER
FACILITY TO INSTALL A FENCE LINE
MONITORING SYSTEM TO TRACK
EMISSIONS OF HYDROGEN SULFIDE
NOW CHILDREN, OXIDES AND
VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS. THE
LOS ANGELES COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC HEALTH STATED THE URGENT
NEED FOR A ROBUST FENCE LINE
MONITORING SYSTEM, AS
RECOMMENDED BY BOTH THE
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AS
WELL AS THE SOUTH COAST AIR
QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
THIS MEASURE IS BEING STRONGLY
SUPPORTED AND SPONSORED BY THE
CITY OF EL SEGUNDO. I AM JOINED
HERE TODAY WITH THE CITY OF EL
SEGUNDO AS MAYOR PRO TEM CRISPIN
MENTAL AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBER
RYAN BALDINO. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FOR HAVING US
HERE TODAY WE HAD A CATASTROPHIC
FAILURE AT THE HYPERION WATER
TREATMENT PLANT A FEW YEARS AGO.
IN THE RECOVERY FROM THAT WE
HAVE BEEN DELUGED BY NOXIOUS
GASSES, PRINCIPALLY HYDROGEN
SULFIDE THAT CAPTURES A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE
ATTENTION OF RESIDENTS BECAUSE
THE SMELL WERE EQUALLY CONCERNED
, HOWEVER, WITH THE UNKNOWN
GASSES THAT COME FROM THE
INDUSTRIAL PROCESSES AROUND IT
CURRENTLY. AQ M D MEASURES THE
NOXIOUS GASSES AND TO THAT
EFFECT WE HAVE COMPLAINTS OF
OVER 5500 RESIDENTS IN 65
NOTICES OF VIOLATION. BUT FOR US
THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT MEASURE
THE VOLATILE ORGANICS, THE
NITROUS OXIDES, THE POTENTIAL
FOR SULFUR DIOXIDE IS AN EQUAL
CONCERN. NOW. FORTUNATELY THIS
BODY UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SUKI A FEW
YEARS AGO PASSED A B 16 47 16 47
IS THE PRIVATE SECTOR EQUIVALENT
OF THIS BILL THAT ALLOWS US
FENCE LINE MONITORING AND ALSO
GOING TO AROUND OUR OIL
REFINERY. IT IS EFFICIENT,
EFFECTIVE AND IT LETS US PARTNER
WITH THE REFINERY TO INSTANTLY
INFORM RESIDENTS WHEN WE HAVE AN
ODOR OR A DANGEROUS TOXIN ISSUE
, WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THAT
TOOL CURRENTLY FOR THE PUBLIC
PROCESS, AND WITH THAT WE SEND
100,000 PEOPLE TO WORK EVERY DAY
AND ELSA GONDER HAWTHORNE LENNOX
ENGLEWOOD, WESTCHESTER UNDER
THINGS THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW
WHAT THEY ARE BREATHING AT
17,000. EL SEGUNDO RESIDENTS
SLEEP NEXT TO THIS EVERY NIGHT,
NOT KNOWING WHAT SORT OF TOXINS
THEY'RE INGESTING. SO WE'RE HERE
TO ASK FOR YOUR HELP WITH THIS.
WE KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT
THERE COULD BE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES OF BILLS OF THIS
NATURE. BUT WE ARE CONFIDENT
THAT THE NARROW CONSTRUCTION OF
THIS WILL PLAY ONLY TO THIS
FACILITY. AND TO THAT END WE
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I
WILL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO MY
COWORKER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR
. THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE FOR SEEING US HERE
TODAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME IS
IMPORTANT. THIS BILL IS
DESPERATELY NEEDED FOR THIS
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY OF THE
CITY OF EL SEGUNDO. WE ARE
REPRESENTING MAYOR PRO TEMP ONLY
17,000 INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE NEXT
TO THIS TREATMENT PLANT. WE HAVE
LIVED NEXT TO THIS PLANT FOR
EVER AND IT HAS NEVER BEEN SUCH
A PROBLEM AS AS IT'S BEEN SINCE
THEY TRIED TO COME BACK FROM THE
CATASTROPHE THAT HAPPENED. WE
APPRECIATE WHAT HYPERION IS
DOING, BUT WHAT WE NEED IS A
LITTLE TRANSPARENCY, AND WHAT
WE'RE ASKING FOR IS REAL TIME
FENCE LINE MONITORING OF THE
EMISSIONS FROM THE PLANT JUST SO
WE CAN INFORM THE COMMUNITY, OUR
WORKERS AND OUR RESIDENTS. WHAT
IT IS THAT WE'RE BREATHING IN
THE AIR NOW. CHRIS AND I
CAMPAIGNED TOGETHER. WE ATTENDED
A HIGH SCHOOL FORUM WHERE THE
CHILDREN GOT TO ASK US
QUESTIONS. AND THE ONE QUESTION
THAT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT IS,
THEY ASKED, IS OUR AIR SAFE TO
BREATHE? AND I COULD NOT ANSWER
THAT QUESTION. AND SO WE'RE HERE
ASKING YOU FOR HELP, SO THAT WE
CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION ON
BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS, OUR
WORKERS AND OUR SURROUNDING
COMMUNITIES. IT'S MORE THAN JUST
EL SEGUNDO. DEFINITELY WE BEAR
THE BRUNT BEING THE NEIGHBOR,
BUT IT AFFECTS A WIDE SPREAD OF
THE SOUTH BAY REGION. SO WE'RE
HERE TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.
PLEASE VOTE YES. THANK YOU ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
. SECURE CARTER ON BEHALF OF
THIS YEAR. COOK CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT ARE THERE. CITY MANAGER
OF EL SEGUNDO AND SUPPORT. ANY
ARE THERE WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. HELLO GOOD EVENING.
I'M JESSICA GAGA WITH THE
CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
SANITATION AGENCIES HERE TODAY.
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED TO THE BILL
WE REPRESENT ABOUT 130 PUBLIC
AGENCY MEMBERS PROVIDING
WASTEWATER TREATMENT SERVICES,
INCLUDING HYPERION, AND THEY ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BILL FROM A
PRECEDENT STANDPOINT. SO WHILE
WE ARE VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE
COMMUNITY IMPACTS IN THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S DISTRICT WE DO
HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE APPROACH
OF THE BILL, WHICH WOULD IMPOSE
NEW OPERATING CONDITIONS ON THIS
SINGLE FACILITY. SO WE THINK
DECISIONS LIKE THIS SHOULD BE
LEFT TO THE APPROPRIATE LOCAL
REGULATORY ENTITIES USING THEIR
EXISTING PERMITTING AND
ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY. THOSE
BEING THE REGIONAL WATER QUALITY
CONTROL BOARD IN THE AIR QUALITY
MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. UM IT IS
OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS TYPE
OF MONITORING REQUIRED BY THE
BILL WAS DELIBERATED BY THE
LOCAL AQMD WHEN THEY ISSUED THE
CURRENT ABATEMENT ORDER, AND IT
WAS DEEMED UNNECESSARY. SO
AGAIN. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT OF REVISITING AND
EXISTING ENFORCEMENT ACTION AND
HOW THAT COULD BE PERCEIVED IN
FUTURE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS FOR
THIS AND OTHER FACILITIES. UM SO
FOR THOSE REASONS, WE MUST
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED THE BILL.
THANK YOU. IF I COULD RESPOND
BRIEFLY, JUST SO THAT I'M SORRY
. WAIT WE'RE GONNA GO MOVE ON TO
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. SEE YOU. NONE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BIRTH. I MEAN,
I KNOW THE HYPERION POWER PLANT
IS NOT TOO FAR OUTSIDE OF MY
DISTRICT. IT IS VERY CLOSE TO
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES ALL
AROUND. I THINK ALL THIS DOES IS
REQUIRE THAT FENCE LINE
MONITORING BE ESTABLISHED TO
UNDERSTAND WHETHER THERE ARE
ISSUES AND IMPACTS ON THE
COMMUNITY. SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF
THIS. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK
YOU. HMM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
OKAY, SEE NONE. UM YOU WANTED TO
RESPOND. I WANT YOU TO RESPOND.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONLY POINT
IS THAT THEY DO CURRENTLY HAVE
FENCE LINE MONITORING. WE'RE
ASKING HIM TO JUST EXPAND WHAT
THEY'RE MONITORING. SO WE HAVE A
BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT?
WE'RE BREATHING. WE'RE NOT
ASKING HIM TO DO ANYTHING THEY
HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE. WE JUST
WANT TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION.
THANK YOU. I ALSO HAD A QUESTION
. YOU KNOW, I'M ALSO LOS ANGELES
MEMBER VERY FAMILIAR WITH
HYPERION. AND I KNOW THAT
BESIDES THE SOUTH BAY, IT ALSO
AFFECTS THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES
RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THAT DON'T
LIVE TOO FAR FROM THE PLANT. UH,
AYE. OPPOSITION HAD. HAD STATED
THAT THE A Q M D HAD DEEMED WAS
IT ADDITIONAL FENCE LINE
MONITORING AND NECESSARY WHEN,
RIGHT. WHEN DID THEY DO THAT?
AND WAS IT AFTER THE SPILL OR
AFTER THIS PART OF THE ABATEMENT
ORDER, THEY DID CONSIDER
ADDITIONAL MONITORING FOR TOXIC
AIR CONTAMINANTS AND DOCS AND
DETERMINED THAT THE ONLY
MONITORING THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN
WAS FOR H TWO S, WHICH THEY ARE
CURRENTLY DOING. OKAY? WELL, I
AM SUPPORTING THIS BILL. I LIKE
, UM, THE SUPPORT WITNESS
MENTIONED THIS FENCE LINE
MONITORING IS SOMETHING THAT
HYPERION ALREADY DOES. AND WE'RE
JUST ASKING THEM TO EXPAND SO I
WILL BE IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD. I
KNOW YOU'RE YOU'VE DONE FENCE
LINE MONITORING IN THE PAST
ASSOCIATE THIS WITH YOU, SO
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING, UM, THAT
SOLUTION TO THIS ISSUE. AH! DO I
HAVE A MOTION? I DON'T BELIEVE
OKAY. MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
PER SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ATIS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I
APPRECIATE UM, YOU KNOW ALL THE
COMMENTS RAISED, UM. THIS WE DID
CRAFT THIS BILL SO THAT IT WOULD
ONLY IMPACT THE HYPERION
FACILITY. WHICH YOU KNOW, MADAM
CHAIR I WANTED TO SHARE IF YOU
MISSED THE TIMES WHEN I CAME
HOME, AND ON THURSDAY EVENING, I
SEE THE LEAD STORY FRONT PAGE OF
THE LOS ANGELES TIME THAT THE
STATE WATER BOARD IS ALLEGING
THAT HYPERION ENGAGED IN GROSS
QUOTE UNQUOTE GROSS NEGLIGENCE
THAT THAT THAT CAUSED THIS
MASSIVE SEWAGE SPILL AND JULY OF
2021. THEY'VE PROPOSING A RECORD
$21.7 MILLION PENALTY. UM AND
YOU KNOW, IT JUST GOES TO SHOW
AS THE WATERBOARD OFFICIAL WAS
QUOTED THE. THE AMOUNT OF THE
PROPOSED PENALTY REFLECTS THE
SERIOUSNESS OF THE VIOLATIONS AT
THE PLANT AND THE SCALE OF THE
HARM TO OUR REGION. THIS IS A
SIMPLE TRANSPARENCY MEASURE
AGAIN TO ASSURE THAT CHILDREN OF
EL SEGUNDO THE CITIZENS OF EL
SEGUNDO, THAT THE AIR THAT THE
BREATHING IS SAFE, I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR I VOTE
BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. WILL YOU
BE ACCEPTING THE AMENDMENTS?
YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DID
READ THAT. L A TIMES ARTICLE AND
I THOUGHT OF YOU BECAUSE I HAD
JUST BEEN BRIEFED ON YOUR BILL
AND HAD MADE A DECISION. SO
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BRINGING
THIS FORWARD. SO WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS I
FLORA. NO, I'M SORRY, FLORIDA.
NO, ATIS. ADDIS I. FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN. I. HOOVER HOOVER. NO.
MATHIS. MATH IS NO MERIT. SOUCI
MERITS UCI I PELLERIN PELLERIN.
I WARD WARD. I WOULD WOULD I
SPUR SPUR. AYE. IT SHOULD BE.
THAT BILL HAS EIGHT VOTES. THAT
BILL IS OUT. THANK YOU. NEXT,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD. THIS IS
A B 14 89. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I WANT TO
START BY THANKING THE COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR THEIR EXCELLENT WORK
NOT ONLY ON THIS BILL BUT
ANNOUNCED SB 54 BY OUR COLLEAGUE
, SENATOR ALLEN AND I WOULD ALSO
ADD THAT I AM HAPPY TO ACCEPT
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TODAY.
AS WE ALL KNOW, SB 54 THE
PLASTIC POLLUTION PROVIDERS
RESPONSIBILITY ACT WAS A
LANDMARK PIECE OF LEGISLATION
AND WILL BE CRITICAL IN ADVANCE
IN CALIFORNIA TOWARD A MORE
SUSTAINABLE FUTURE. CRITICALLY
SB 54 ENSURES THAT COVERED
MATERIAL SOLD, DISTRIBUTED OR
IMPORTED INTO THE STATE BY 2032
IS RECYCLABLE OR COMPOSTABLE. AS
WE TRANSITION AWAY FROM FOSSIL
FUEL PLASTICS, WE KNOW THAT
RECYCLABLE AND COMPOSTABLE
PRODUCTS MAY BE A PART OF OUR
FUTURE IN CALIFORNIA. TO ENSURE
THAT REMAINS VIABLE BABY 14 89
CLARIFIES THAT SB 54 IS 25%
SOURCE REDUCTION REQUIREMENTS DO
NOT APPLY TO CERTIFIED
COMPOSTABLE PRODUCTS. MEMBERS.
THIS COMES AT A CRITICAL TIME
WHEN MANUFACTURERS OF
COMPOSTABLE PRODUCTS ARE LOOKING
FOR CLARITY ABOUT WHETHER THEY
HAVE A FUTURE HERE IN CALIFORNIA
OR NOT. WHILE THE OPPOSITION
WOULD PREFER WE SIT BACK AND
ALLOW CALORIE CYCLE TO IMPLEMENT
SB 54 WITHOUT INPUT. I BELIEVE
THAT THE VERY INDUSTRY WE WILL
SOON RELY ON FOR THIS TRANSITION
DESERVES IMMEDIATE CLARITY ABOUT
THE INTENT OF SB 54. TO
SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS CONCERNS
ABOUT THE C¢M POSTED ABILITY OF
PRODUCTS. WE WORKED WITH THE
COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT
MANUFACTURERS SEEKING
ELIGIBILITY FROM THIS EXEMPTION
WILL ABSOLUTELY MEET
CALIFORNIA'S CAREFULLY
CONSTRUCTED COMPOST STANDARDS.
THESE STANDARDS INCLUDE THE
CLOSELY NEGOTIATED LANGUAGE OF
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TINGS, A B 12
01, WHICH DIRECTED CALORIE
CYCLED TO DEVELOP LABELING
REQUIREMENTS FOR COMPOSTABLE
PRODUCTS TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE
READILY IDENTIFIABLE BY BOTH
CONSUMERS AND COMPOSTING
FACILITIES. COLLEAGUES IST
CLARIFICATION IS NEEDED AS
CALIFORNIA TRANSITIONS TOWARDS A
MORE INNOVATIVE, SUSTAINABLE
FUTURE. WITH ME TO PROVIDE
TESTIMONY IS MARK HARIMA, THE
CEO OF NEW LIGHT TECHNOLOGIES,
AND DR JOSEPH GREEN, PROFESSOR
PROFESSOR OF SUSTAINABLE
MANUFACTURING AND MANICA
MECHANICAL ENGINEERING AT CHICO
STATE. IT'S A MOUTHFUL AT THIS
TIME OF THE DAY, JUST SAYING SO,
ANYWAY. UM GOOD EVENING CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY TODAY,
UM, IN SUPPORT OF A B 14 89 IT'S
MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO BE
WITH YOU HERE TODAY. MY NAME IS
MARK HERE, UM I'M CO FOUNDER AND
CEO OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES. NEW
LIGHTS OF CALIFORNIA GROWN
COMPANY HEADQUARTERED IN
HUNTINGTON BEACH, AND WE HAVE
OVER 180 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES
HERE IN CALIFORNIA. NEW LIGHT
WAS FOUNDED IN 2003 WITH THE
MISSION. OUR MISSION WAS TO HELP
END CLIMATE CHANGE BY TURNING
GREENHOUSE GAS INTO SUSTAINABLE
MATERIALS. OVER 10 YEARS OF
RESEARCH, WE DISCOVERED A
NATURALLY OCCURRING
MICROORGANISM RIGHT HERE IN
CALIFORNIA THAT EATS GREENHOUSE
GAS AND TURNS IT INTO A MATERIAL
CALLED PHP. PHP IS A BIO
MOLECULE MADE THROUGHOUT NATURE
, INCLUDING EVERY DAY IN THE
OCEAN ESTUARIES AND FORESTS OF
CALIFORNIA. BECAUSE WE MAKE IT
FROM GREENHOUSE GAS. WE CALL IT
A RCARR BÀN. AIR CARBON IS MADE
BY NATURAL MICROORGANISMS FROM
GREENHOUSE GAS. AND UNLIKE
TRADITIONAL PLASTIC CARBON IS
CERTIFIED HOME COMPOSTABLE BY T
V AUSTRIA AND CARBON NEGATIVE.
NEW LIGHT IS A TECHNOLOGY
COMPANY THAT CAN HELP CALIFORNIA
ACHIEVE ITS AMBITIOUS
ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS AND WE
MANUFACTURE RIGHT HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. WHILE SB 54 IS AN
IMPORTANT FRAMEWORK TO REDUCE
SINGLE USE PLASTICS, THERE ARE
SOME ELEMENTS OF THE BILL THAT
SEND MIXED SIGNALS REGARDING THE
ROLE OF COMPOSED OF ALL
MATERIALS. UNDER THE CURRENT
LANGUAGE OF SB 54 COMPOSED WILL
MATERIALS FALL UNDER THE SOURCE
REDUCTION REQUIREMENTS OF THE
BILL, MEANING THAT WE ANOTHER
SUSTAINABLE, COMPOSED OF
MATERIAL MANUFACTURING COMPANIES
WILL HAVE TO REDUCE OUR MATERIAL
BY UP TO 25% FROM 2023 BASELINE.
COMPOSED OF MATERIALS WILL BE
SOURCED REDUCED. IT'S HARD TO
IMAGINE HOW CALIFORNIA CAN
CREATE VIABLE ALTERNATIVES TO
INCUMBENT SINGLE USE PLASTICS. A
B 14 89 WILL ALLOW FOR THE
CONTINUED GROWTH OF COMPOSED
MATERIALS TO SERVE AS AN
ALTERNATE TO PLASTIC. CALIFORNIA
IS A STATE THAT PRIDES ITSELF ON
INNOVATION. AND MAYBE 14 89 IS A
BILL THAT WILL SIGNAL TO
TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES THAT THEY
SHOULD CONTINUE TO INNOVATE IN
CALIFORNIA TO HELP IMPROVE
CALIFORNIA'S ENVIRONMENT AND THE
WORLD'S ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. HELLO. HOW
ARE YOU GUYS DOING? HEY I'M JOE
GREENE. PROFESSOR JOE GREEN. YOU
DON'T MIND? I TEACH A MECHANICAL
ENGINEERING SAME MANUFACTURING
THIS NOW CALLED ADVANCED
MANUFACTURING. ACTUALLY, THE
UNIVERSITY UM, I'M HERE BECAUSE
I LEFT GENERAL MOTORS. IN 98. MY
BOSS IS OUT OF HAVING MIDLIFE
CRISIS FROM A MIDLIFE CRISIS
WHEN I'VE BEEN IN CALIFORNIA,
RIGHT? SO HERE I AM. ANYWAYS,
I'VE BEEN TEACHING FOR 25 YEARS
. UM AND I HAD 14 YEARS GENDER
MOTORS. SO ABOUT 39 YEARS I'VE
BEEN DOING PLASTICS. I LOVE
PLASTICS. I CAME TO CALIFORNIA
BECAUSE I WANTED TO HELP SAVE
THE PLASTICS INDUSTRY, RIGHT?
AND THEN I FOUND OUT IN 2004,
THANKS TO CALIFORNIA INTEGRATED
WASTE MANAGEMENT BOARD. THEY
DIDN'T HELP. I'M PLASTICS,
COMPOSTABLE PLASTIC PARTICULAR.
SO I KNEW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
PLASTIC. SO I HELP THEM DO THAT
IN 2004. UM AND SINCE THEN I
DECIDED I WANT TO HELP SAVE THE
WORLD AND TO ME OPPOSABLE
PLASTICS IS THE WAY TO DO THAT.
I WROTE A BOOK ACTUALLY WROTE
THREE OF THEM, BUT ONE OF THEM
IS CALLED SUSTAINABLE PLASTICS
AND THAT BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, A
LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE
PLASTICS AND THE BAD GUY. SORRY,
BUT THE BOOK IS INTENTION WAS,
HOW CAN PLASTICS BE SUSTAINABLE
AND THE ANSWER? QUESTION IS,
YES, IT CAN BE FOR TWO THINGS IF
YOU MAKE PLASTICS, COMPOSTABLE
PLASTICS AND BIODEGRADABLE ONES
OR RECYCLED PLASTICS, YOU IN
FACT CAN CREATE A SUSTAINABLE
PRODUCT. THAT IS LOWER CARBON
FOOTPRINT, THE WORLD WASTE OR
POLLUTION, SO WHATEVER. UM I'M
VERY HAPPY TO MEET HERE. I'M A
VERY STRONG SUPPORTER OF
COMPOSED OF PLASTIC TO ME.
THAT'S MY VISION. THAT'S THE
FUTURE CLASSES CAN BE GREAT. WE
CAN'T GET RID OF PLASTICS THERE
THERE, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT
BETTER. AND SO I BELIEVE THAT WE
NEED TO HAVE COMPOSED WITH
PLASTICS. AND THEN THE BILL
PROPOSES THAT AND HELPS THAT
ENSURES THAT IN THE FUTURE, SO
I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR YOU TO, UM
, TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN. I HAVE
A PHD IN CHEMICAL ENGINEERING
AND ENGINEERING GREEK GEEK. YOU
KNOW, BEFORE GEEK WAS COOL AND
THE GEEK THAT'S OKAY. UM BEEN
DOING IT FOR A LOT OF YEARS. UM
I LOVE IT. I WROTE BOOKS ON IT.
I HAVE OVER 40 PUBLICATIONS.
THIS IS WHAT I DO AND WELL KNOWN
WORLDWIDE. UM SO I'M GLAD TO
HELP YOU AND SUPPORT YOU. AND
I'M NOT BEING PAID FOR ANY OF
THIS. THIS IS JUST MAYBE IN TOO
TALKATIVE. APOLOGIZE. SO THANK
YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY. AND YOU'RE
DOING GREAT WITH SO MUCH. MADAM
CHAIRPERSON. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YOU GUYS ARE WONDERFUL. YOU HAVE
A TOUGH JOB, SO KEEP UP THE GOOD
WORK AND SIT. SAVE THE WORLD BY
CALIFORNIA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. I'M AN ENGINEERING GIG, TOO,
BUT NOT WITH THE PHD. RIGHT SO,
UM NEXT, ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
THANK YOU, BRUCE MIGNONI ON
BEHALF OF THE BIODEGRADABLE
PRODUCTS INSTITUTE, ONE OF THE
LARGEST CERTIFY IRS OF COMPOSED
ABLE AND DEGRADABLE PRODUCTS IN
THE UNITED STATES, NORTH AMERICA
. WE HAD SOME REALLY GREAT
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AUTHOR
AND HIS STAFF AND WE WERE
ORIGINALLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
THE BILL. WE THINK IT'S GOING IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE
AUTHOR. ONCE THE LANGUAGES IN
PRINT TO SUPPORT THIS MOVIE
FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT. ARE THERE WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. GOOD EVENING, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. UM JENNIFER
FEARING HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF
OF THE OCEAN CONSERVANCY,
MONTEREY BAY AQUARIUM AND OCEANA
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED TO MAYBE 14
89. WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE
WORK THAT THE AUTHOR AND THE
COMMITTEE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO
ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS, BUT
CALIFORNIA SHOULD STAY THE SB 54
COURSE BY FOCUSING FIRST ON
REDUCING THE PRODUCTION AND USE
OF ALL SINGLE USE, FOOD WEAR AND
PACKAGING AND MOVING TOWARD A
CIRCULAR AND REUSABLE ECONOMY,
WHICH IS CRITICAL FOR USING THE
HARMS OF PLASTIC POLLUTION TO
PEOPLE IN NATURE. UNFORTUNATELY
A B 14 89 INSTEAD PROMOTES A
TRANSITION TO OTHER SINGLE USE
MATERIALS. COMPOSTABLE PLASTICS
ALREADY RECEIVED PREFERENTIAL
TREATMENT WITHIN SB 54 THAT WAS
CAREFULLY NEGOTIATED, AND THAT
HAPPENS BY WAY OF A REDUCED FEE
AND SB 54 IS PRODUCER
RESPONSIBILITY PLAN. ADDING AN
EXEMPTION FOR COMPOSTABLE
MATERIALS FROM THE INDUSTRY.
WIDE SOURCE REDUCTION MANDATE
FURTHER ENCOURAGES EXISTING AND
NEW PRODUCERS TO USE COMPOSTABLE
PLASTIC MATERIAL INSTEAD OF
PRIORITIZING, REUSE AND REFILL.
SOME CERTIFIED COMPOSTABLE
PLASTICS CONTAIN FOSSIL FUEL
COMPONENTS AND SOME OF THE SAME
PROBLEMATIC ADDITIVES AS FOSSIL
FUEL DERIVED PLASTICS, WHICH ARE
KNOWN TO CONTAMINATE WASTE
STREAMS. MANY CALIFORNIA CALM
POSTERS WON'T TAKE THESE
MATERIALS. THEY PICKED THEM OUT
, IN PART BECAUSE THEY CANNOT
LABEL THE COMPOST ORGANIC.
NEGATIVE INCOME INCLUDES
COMPARED TO COMPOSE DOBLE
PLASTICS UNDER THE FEDERAL
STANDARD. WE ARE GENERALLY WARY
. IT'S TRUE OF ANY SUBSTANTIVE
AMENDMENTS THIS YEAR TO SP 54
BECAUSE IT WOULD COMPROMISE COW
RECYCLE SWIFT IMPLEMENTATION
TIMELINE AND THE ROBUST
STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, AND LASTLY
, WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE
AUTHORS CONFIRMATION THAT A B 14
89 DOES NOT ALLOW SWITCHES FROM
PLASTICS AS DEFINED IN S P 54 TO
COMPOSTABLE COVERED MATERIALS TO
COUNT AS SOURCE REDUCTION. SO
WHILE WE REMAIN OPPOSED TO THE
BILL, WE WOULD WELCOME FURTHER
ENGAGEMENT WITH THE AUTHOR. AND
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. GOOD EVENING, MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS GONZALEZ
POTTER WITH THE NATURE
CONSERVANCY AND VERY REGRETFUL
OPPOSITION AND REMEMBER WHAT IS
AND WHEN WE WORK WITH OFTEN AND
HAVE GREAT ADMIRATION FOR AS A
AS A CLIMATE LEADER, BUT FOR THE
REASONS ALREADY ARTICULATED BY
OUR COLLEAGUE, JENNIFER, FEARING
WE, TOO, HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE
BILL, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO
ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
ASSEMBLYMAN AS WELL AS HIS STAFF
ANIMAL. WE APPRECIATE THEIR
THEIR ONGOING DISCUSSION. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU NEXT QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FRIEDMAN. THANK
YOU. UM I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN
THIS AUTHOR AND CERTAINLY KNOW
HIS WORK AND HIS DEDICATION. SO
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL
TODAY, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE
OPPOSITION MAKES A LOT OF GOOD
POINTS. UM, SO I HOPE THAT YOU
WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM
SO THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK IN
ITS FINAL FORM, I CAN VOTE FOR
IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PELLERIN. SO I
AM DEFINITELY STRUGGLING WITH
THIS BILL. UM AND I JUST NEED
SOME HELP UNDERSTANDING SO IF
THEY COME POSSIBLE PLASTIC ENDED
UP IN THE OCEAN. HOW LONG WOULD
IT TAKE FOR IT TO BREAK DOWN AND
DOES IT BREAK DOWN ENTIRELY OR
WHAT HAPPENS WITH IT? I'M GONNA
LET I'M A. YEAH, I'M GONNA LET
THE EXPERTS ANSWER THAT ONE.
THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M AN EXPERT
IN MARINE ABOUT DEGRADATION. IN
FACT, I'M I'M THE ONLY ONE IN
THE UNITED STATES THAT ACTUALLY
TESTS FOR MARINE BAR DEGRADATION
AND CERTIFIES THAT IT IS, AS
SUCH, UM HOWEVER, YOU MENTIONED
THE COMPOSTABLE. YES, THAT'S A
PROBLEM. YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD
POINT HERE. HE MENTIONED
COMPOSED ABILITY. MOST OF THE
BIO PLASTICS THAT ARE COMPOSED
TO BOAT IS AT P L. A IS THE
NUMBER ONE? IT'S OVER £250
MILLION A YEAR. IT'S THE NUMBER
ONE BIO PLASTIC OUT THERE THAT
IS COMPOSED ABLE, BUT IT'S ALSO
BIO BASED, SO IT'S OVER 99% NON
PETROLEUM BASE. HOWEVER SHE
DIDN'T MENTION YOUR ECO FLEX IS
ONE THAT HAS PETROLEUM BASED
PRODUCTS? YES AND THE TPS
THERMOPLASTIC STARCH HAS ABOUT
30% OF THAT. YES, YOU'RE CORRECT
ON THOSE TWO. LITTLE THINGS, BUT
MOST OF THEM ARE BIODEGRADABLE.
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO
BIODEGRADE COMPOSED FOR ONE LIKE
P L A WILL, UM IT'S NOT MARINE
BIODEGRADABLE. HOWEVER, IT WOULD
PROBABLY TAKE ABOUT 30 TO 40
YEARS IN THE MARINE TO
BIODEGRADE PH. J. I KNOW IT'S A
REALLY GOOD FOR ME. IT'S A VERY
GOOD PLASTIC BUTTER PLASTIC MADE
FROM BACTERIA. UM THAT IS, UM,
MARINE BIODEGRADABLE. I'VE
TESTED IT PROBABLY 30 TIMES I'VE
TESTED ALL THE MATERIALS TESTED
ALL THE BIODEGRADABLE COMPOSED
MATERIALS TESTED ALSO DEGRADABLE
TERRIBLE STUFF. BUT UM, AND SO I
KNOW WHICH ONES ARE WORKING,
PUBLISHED AND EVERYTHING IN
THAT, HOWEVER, BUT THE PH A CAN
BIODEGRADE. I DO THAT TESTING
NOW. IT TECHNICALLY MEETS THE
ALSO A MEMBER OF THE STM,
AMERICAN SCIENTISTS AND
MATERIALS COMMITTEE ON ABOUT
DEGRADATION. I'M ON THAT
COMMITTEE. AND I SO AS SETS THE
RULES FOR THE TESTING OF, UM UM
D 70 81 FOR MARINE BIO
DEGRADABLE. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION
. IN SHORT, I WAS PREDICT PH. A
BB GUN IN 3 TO 5 YEARS. SAY
THOSE WHICH IS MY STANDARD
CONTROL IS ABOUT 3 TO 5 YEARS,
SO BASICALLY PH. A BEHAVES JUST
AS WELL AS SAILORS, WHICH IS
PAPER, YOU KNOW THAT WOULD BUY
THE GRADE IN THE OCEAN. SO SOME
DO SOME. DON'T UM, BUT PH A IS
THE BEST ONE IN MY VIEW ON
MARINE ABOUT DEGRADATION. SO UM
, SO I WAS A P L. A TAKE ABOUT
2030 YEARS, TPS PROBABLY 10 TO
15 YEARS. POLYETHYLENE PLASTIC
100 YEARS. SO WE'RE BETTER. YOU
HAVE PLASTICS, THAT TERRIBLE,
TERRIBLE THING, BUT WE'RE DOING
IN THE OCEANS HORRIBLE WITH
PLASTIC, SO I'M TRYING TO HELP
IT GUIDED TOWARD THE BETTER
PLASTICS THAT BIODEGRADABLE
COMPOSTABLE. WE HAVE TO HELP
THEM. MAKE PLASTICS A BETTER
THING. SO YES, IT DOES
BIODEGRADE, ESPECIALLY PH. A.
BUY IT VERY WELL. BETTER THAN
WOOD WOODS LONGER THAN WORDS
ABOUT, UM, PROBABLY 5 TO 10
YEARS FOR WOOD. NOW WOULD NOT
OUTSIDE. I WOULD BIODEGRADE VERY
QUICKLY. I PROMISE YOU THAT AND
ANYBODY WANT TO CORRECT ME,
PLEASE? YOU KNOW, I'M I'M OPEN
TO THIS. UM BUT I'VE BEEN
PUBLISHING WORLDWIDE IN THIS
STUFF. SO THANK YOU. AND THEN
ARE YOU THE AUTHOR TAKING TAKING
THIS SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS FROM
THE COMMITTEE. ABSOLUTELY
ABSOLUTELY. AND THE MURATSUCHI.
SOMEBODY REMEMBERS THANK YOU. I,
UH UM, ALSO SHARE. RESPECT FOR
THE AUTHOR, AND SO I DO WANT TO
GIVE DO DO DEFERENCE TO CONTINUE
TO ADDRESS THE AH OPPONENTS.
CONCERNS I AM JUST WONDERING. I
MEAN, WHAT I'M HEARING IS AH, IS
THAT IT MAY BE A RIGHT IDEA. BUT
THE WRONG TIMING IN TERMS OF WE
JUST PASSED SB 54. SHE WILL BE
EXEMPTING DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
PERHAPS I CAN ADDRESS IT TO MS.
FEARING GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. UH
THAT IS A COMPONENT TO OUR
CONCERN. I THINK WE WOULD. WE
WOULD PROBABLY STILL HAVE THIS
CONCERN SEVERAL YEARS FROM NOW.
I THINK THE REASON THAT WE MIGHT
NOT BE HERE SEVERAL YEARS FROM
NOW IS THAT WE HAVE CONFIDENCE
THAT NOVEL MATERIALS ACTUALLY
WILL GET MANAGED THROUGH THE
CALVIN CYCLE PROCESS IN WAYS
THAT WILL BE APPROPRIATE WITHIN
THE BROAD, COMPREHENSIVE
FRAMEWORK. OF THE BILL THAT WAS
NEGOTIATED. SO UM, I THINK IT'S
UNCLEAR THAT IN A COUPLE OF
YEARS THIS WOULD BE NECESSARY.
SO WE CHALLENGE THE IDEA OF
HISTORY REPRESENTING WITH IT NOW
AGAIN, GIVEN THAT IN THIS VERY
ROOM, WE AGREED TO A VERY
CAREFULLY NEGOTIATED OUTCOME. I
THINK I'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED A
NUMBER OF SUBSTANTIVE CONCERNS
THAT WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT THESE
MATERIALS IN GENERAL. UM BUT, UM
AND ARE BROAD. WHERE THE OCEAN
PROTECTION ORGANIZATION'S WE ARE
ALWAYS GOING TO FAVOR EVERYTHING
MOVING AS FAST AS POSSIBLE IN
THE DIRECTION OF REUSE, REFILL
AND MOVING AWAY FROM SINGLE USE
MATERIALS. THAT'S THAT'S OUR
ROLE. YEAH I GO AHEAD, MADAM
CHAIR. UM I DON'T BELIEVE WE
NECESSARILY NEED TO WAIT FOR THE
ENTIRE REGULATORY PROCESS TO
WORK THROUGH THIS. WE DO BILLS
ALL THE TIME WHERE WE HAVE
CLEANUP LEGISLATION THAT HAPPENS
THE VERY NEXT YEAR. I DON'T
BELIEVE SENATOR ALLEN INTENDED
FOR THIS ISSUE, TOO. TO BE
IGNORED. THIS WAY. HE ACTUALLY
WROTE A LETTER TO THE JOURNAL
SAYING SUCH UM LAST YEAR WHEN SB
54 PAST, SO, UM, WE DID. I THINK
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SEND A
CLEAR SIGNAL TO TECHNOLOGIES
THAT ARE BEING POTENTIALLY
DEVELOPED HERE TO CREATE
MATERIALS THAT WE CAN USE IN THE
FUTURE AS WE PHASE OUT MORE OF
THE PETROLEUM BASED PLASTICS, I
THINK YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS
ISSUE IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
PLASTICS. WE ALL THINK OF
PETROLEUM BASED PLASTICS. BUT
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS
TECHNOLOGY TO CREATE. UM BIO
BASED SOME SOMETHING PRODUCED IN
NATURE THINGS PRODUCED BY BY
BACTERIA THAT CAN BIODEGRADE
FAIRLY FAIRLY VERY QUICKLY.
RELATIVELY SPEAKING. SO UM, AND
THE ANSWER TO QUESTION WE'RE NOT
IN ANY WAY TRYING TO ENCOURAGE
PEOPLE FROM MOVING FROM PLASTICS
IN THE WAY THAT YOU THE QUESTION
YOU ANSWERED, ASKED ME. NO, I'M
ASK IT AGAIN, AND I WILL GIVE
YOU THE ANSWER. NOW I'VE LOST.
I'VE LOST MYSELF. IT'S JUST A
TECHNICAL QUESTION, AND I THINK
IT'S TRUE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE
SURE I UNDERSTOOD IT. THE
EXEMPTION IN 14 89 IS FROM THE
25% SOURCE REDUCTION, SORT OF
INDUSTRYWIDE SOURCE REDUCTION
REQUIREMENT THAT'S ON PLASTICS.
NOT ON NOT TO COUNT RIGHT. A
SWITCH FROM A PLASTIC TO ONE OF
THESE NEW COVERED MATERIALS
WOULD NOT CONSTITUTE SOURCE
REDUCTION FOR THAT PLASTIC.
CORRECT WE'RE LOOKING FOR NEW
TECHNOLOGIES. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. IF I IF I COULD JUST ADD
SOMETHING, UM SO. UNDER SB 54,
WHICH IS A REALLY IMPORTANT BILL
BASICALLY SAYS BY 2032, ALL
THESE COVERED MATERIALS HAVE TO
BE EITHER RECYCLABLE OR
COMPOSTABLE. WHICH IS A GREAT
THING THAT THE CHALLENGES IF
WE'RE GOING TO CREATE THOSE
COMPOSED ABLE MATERIALS, SOMEONE
SOMEWHERE HAS TO PRODUCE THOSE
RIGHT SO IF YOU TAKE OUR COMPANY
AS AN EXAMPLE, WE JUST SPENT 20
YEARS. TRYING TO CREATE A
MATERIAL THAT AS TESTED BY JOE
GREEN DOES, IN FACT, MEET WHAT
WAS PREVIOUSLY OCEAN DEGRADE
ABILITY STANDARDS. UM WE'VE NOW
DONE THAT WE ARE JUST GETTING
STARTED. SO THIS BILL
EFFECTIVELY SAYS YOU GUYS GOTTA
STOP BECAUSE OUR COMMERCIAL
PLANT JUST CAME ONLINE. SO NOW
WE HAVE TO SOURCE REDUCED FROM
WHERE WE JUST GOT TO AFTER A 20
YEAR JOURNEY. I JUST WANT TO, UH
YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T A
QUESTION ASKED, BUT WE
APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I JUST
WANT TO YEAH. MORE QUESTIONS.
OKAY. I JUST WANT TO GET MAKE
SURE THAT OTHER COMMITTEE
MEMBERS GET THEIR QUESTIONS
ANSWERED SOMETHING MEMBER AT US
. IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A
COMMENT THAN A QUESTION. I MEAN,
NUMBER ONE. I WANT TO THANK THE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER FOR BRINGING
THIS FORWARD. UM AND THE
OPPOSITION IS INCREDIBLY WELL
RESPECTED BOTH HERE IN THE ROOM
AS WELL AS IN MY DISTRICT, SO
IT'S VERY CHALLENGING FOR ME. UM
I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THINGS
THAT AREN'T GOING TO COMPOST IN
THE OCEAN. RIGHT THAT COMMENT IS
VERY CONCERNING TO ME THAT THERE
COULD BE A CONTINUING OF
PRODUCTION OF PLASTICS THAT MAY
NOT C¢M POST IN THE OCEAN, SO
I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU CAN
ADDRESS IF SB 54 IS ACTUALLY
RELATED TO THAT, NOT SP 54, BUT
YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING
FORWARD IS ACTUALLY RELATED TO A
CONTINUANCE. OF THESE PLASTICS
THAT MAY NOT COMPOST IN THE
OCEAN LIKE I HEARD THIS KIND OF
DISCUSSION AND I UNDERSTAND
THIS, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND
THERE'S THIS PIECE WITH SENATOR
ALLEN, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS
BEING WORKED ON IN THE SENATE AS
WELL. RIGHT WELL, THESE WILL
COMPOST AND THE GOAL IS TO KEEP
THEM OUT OF THE OCEAN. FIRST OF
ALL, UM, SO IF WE CAN FOCUS ON
THINGS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM THESE
PRODUCTS ACTUALLY GET INTO THE
OCEAN THAT I THINK THAT BUT
THESE WILL COMPOST IN THE OCEAN.
IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF
TIME, BUT CERTAINLY GOING TO BE
NOT THE 100 YEARS THAT SOME OF
THE PETROLEUM BASED PRODUCTS
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT I'LL
LINK THE ATTAINMENT SOUNDS LIKE
ON SOME OF THIS. I THINK COMMENT
THAT CONFUSION BETWEEN
COMPOSTABLE AND BIODEGRADABLE
BECAUSE I'M SORRY THAT THEY ARE
DIFFERENT, BUT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
DID YOU JUST FEEL CONFUSED ABOUT
THIS COMMENT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
TO COMPOST IN THE OCEAN WON'T
WON'T HOW IT'S RELATED TO THE
SPILL. OKAY I CAN RELATE TO
THAT. THAT IS YOU ASKED WHAT'S
POLLUTING THE OCEAN TODAY, BUT
YOU SAID THAT YOU MADE A COMMENT
THAT CERTAIN PLASTICS ARE GOING
TO TAKE A VERY LONG TIME TAKES
100 YEARS STICKS, COMPOSTABLE
PLASTICS. I THOUGHT YOU CALLED
THEM WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VERY
LONG TIME TO COMPOST. A WILL.
YES THEY WILL COME POSTED A LONG
TIME COMPOST. HOWEVER PH WILL BE
GONE IN 3 TO 5 YEARS AND I CAN
MAKE A COMMENT IF I CAN. THE
BIGGEST REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE
OCEAN POLLUTION IS PEOPLE BRING
THEIR LUNCH TO THE BEACH, AND
THEY LEAVE IT THERE. THAT'S THE
NUMBER ONE. THAT'S WHAT'S
WRITTEN IN MY BOOK LOOK AT
ANYWAYS. BUT YES, SO THAT'S THE
NUMBER ONE REASON PEOPLE SO IF
WE CAN I AGREE WITH YOU, 100% WE
HAVE TO ELIMINATE THE SINGLE USE
PLASTIC THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY
SENSE. IT'S HORRIBLE FOR THE
OCEAN. IT'S HORRIBLE FOR THE
LAND. SO IF WE REMOVE THE SINGLE
USE PLASTIC, THEN THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO BRING THEIR STRAWS AND
THEIR CUPS TO THE BEACH. AND
THEY'RE PLASTIC FILM. SO THAT
THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE TO REDUCE
THE SOURCE, WHICH IS SINGLE. USE
PLASTICS IN MY VIEW. I'M JUST
ASKING IF THIS IF THAT IS
RELATED TO THIS LEGISLATION OF
THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES
REALLY TUESDAY. YOU KNOW, AT
THIS POINT, I'M NOT EVEN SURE.
SO I COULD COMMENT, SO YOUR
CONCERN IS OCEAN DEGRADE
ABILITY. WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT
IS RELATED TO THIS LEGISLATION.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING SO OCEAN
DEGRADE ABILITY IS NOT CURRENTLY
COVERED UNDER SB 54. THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA TWO OR THREE YEARS
AGO DECIDED THAT NOTHING COULD
BE LABELED OCEAN DEGRADABLE,
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT
PAST JOE GREEN'S TEST. UM
HOWEVER, IF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA EVER DOES DECIDE TO
MAKE THAT A STANDARD THERE ARE
NO COMPANIES IN CALIFORNIA THAT
MAKE OCEAN DEGREE MATERIALS AT
LARGE SCALE. ALTHOUGH THEY ARE
STARTING TO GET THERE WE ARE ONE
PART OF THE TESTING REQUIREMENTS
THAT A STM PUTS FORWARD UNDER
JOE GREEN'S TEST. UM IF YOU WANT
MORE OF THOSE UNDER THIS CURRENT
SB 54. WE CAN'T GROW. WE CAN'T
MAKE THEM. I THINK THAT'S THE I
THINK THAT'S THE BIGGER POINT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS. I
APPRECIATE THE TECHNICALITY IN
THE IN THE TERMS AND THE FRONT
FROM FROM ONE GEEK TO ANOTHER.
UH UM. CAN YOU BREAK DOWN WHAT
ALL THOSE ACRONYMS MEAN AND GIVE
LIKE EXAMPLES OF THE PRODUCTS.
THAT WOULD JUST TO KIND OF PAINT
A BETTER PICTURE. BASICALLY SAID
PIERRE, LET'S PROBABLY LACTIC
ACID THAT IS FERMENTED MUCH FROM
SUGARS. CORN STARCH TYPICALLY
GOES. WHAT WHAT KIND OF PRODUCTS
WITH THAT? YOU'RE CLEAR BOTTLES
THEY HAVE BOTTLES MOSTLY IS THAT
WHEN THEY DO, BUT THEY DO A
PEELING IS EVERYWHERE THEY SELL
OUT IN OCTOBER, SO THERE'S A AND
IT'S A POLYESTER, SO IT'S A
GREAT PLASTIC TO RUN. I RUN IT A
LOT OF TIME IN MY LAB. SO UM,
THEY HAVE A PACKAGING MATERIALS
CAN BE MADE OF P L A. YOUR
CLOTHES THING CAN BE EAT A P E
T, WHICH IS PETROLEUM. BAD NEWS,
OR P L A, WHICH IS COMPOSTABLE.
BETTER NEWS, BUT NOT MARINA BY
THE GREAT BUT NO. UM UM AND WE
HAVE, UM THE P H A, WITH HYDROXY
OUT COORDINATES, WHICH IS NOT
FERMENTED AGAIN. PLS FERMENTED
LIKE ALCOHOL IS FROM SUGARS.
SAME THING. THIS IS NOT FOR ME.
IT'S EATEN BY THE BACTERIA, AND
THEY FORM IT IN THEIR CELLS. SO
PARTY HYDROXY COORDINATE IS THE
TO ME THE FUTURE IT'S BRAND NEW
RIGHT NOW. UM AND THAT'S THE
REASON THE OTHER ONES ARE OLDER
THAN WE'VE HAD FOR AT LEAST 30
YEARS BY LACTIC ACID. THIRD
PLASTIC STARTS RUNNING AROUND AT
LEAST 40 YEARS THAT STARCH
PLASTICS NOT VERY GOOD. MOSTLY
AND THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE ECO
FLEX I MENTIONED BEFORE. THAT'S
WHAT BSF THAT'S PETROLEUM BASE
POLYETHYLENE. BAGS. SO. IN SHORT
, THERE'S A LOT OF BIO PLASTICS
OUT THERE, BUT IT'S A SMALL
COMPARED TO PLASTICS ITSELF IS A
BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY. WE
MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW. £300
MILLION, MAYBE TINY COMPARED TO
THE BIG WORLD OF PLASTIC SO
THAT'S THE WORD. IS THAT OKAY?
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FOR SURE. SO
I'M READING THROUGH THE.
BROWSERS LIKE THE AUTHOR, CAN
YOU ON YOUR MIC? IS IT ON? OKAY
I'M READING THROUGH THE LETTER
THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS
AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS
IN THAT SOUND LIKE THEY COULD
CONTINUE TO BENEFIT FROM SOME
ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. ALSO HAVE
I JUST WANT TO ECHO. I THINK
WHAT ASSEMBLYWOMAN FRIEDMAN
SAID. I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT
FOR THE AUTHOR AND HAVE
CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
WORK THIS THROUGH AS BEST AS YOU
CAN, SO YOU'LL BE VOTING FOR THE
CITY, EVEN EVEN THOUGH I DO HAVE
SOME CONCERNS, AND I HOPE YOU
WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE
WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP
SENT US OKAY. THANK YOU. I
APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M JUST
GONNA SORRY. I'M JUST GONNA ADD
THAT I'M GONNA SUPPORT TODAY BUT
STILL RESERVE MY RIGHT AS THIS
MOVES FORWARD. THANK YOU. UM NO
, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS
BILL FORWARD. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN
WORKING ON THIS SINCE LAST YEAR
SINCE SB 54 WAS PASSED, I
VISITED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE
PRODUCER OF SOME OF THESE
PRODUCTS IN IN THE INTERIM, UM,
MY CONSULTANT. ELIZABETH HAS
SPENT HOURS ON THIS, UH COMING
UP WITH A SOLUTION, SO WE DID
NOT TAKE THIS LIGHTLY, RIGHT?
THERE WERE OTHERS THAT UM WE
DIDN'T THINK WERE THE BEST
SOLUTION, SO I WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR WORKING WITH US OVER THE
LAST FEW MONTHS ON THIS, I WILL
BE SUPPORTING. UM, THIS AND JUST
BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD, DO I HAVE
A MOTION AND A SECOND? SORRY, I
DON'T. OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOOVER SECONDED
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S SPUR. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS AND
THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION.
AND I THANK MY WITNESSES AS WELL
. I NEVER DREAMED PLASTICS WOULD
BE SO COMPLICATED. QUITE FRANKLY
, UM, I WAS A CO AUTHOR OF SB 54
. THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS
UNDERMINE ANYTHING IN SB 54.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS BE LOOKING
AT INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES AND
HOW WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF THE
THINGS WE DID GOING TO NEED TO
DO, AND IN THE LIGHT AND LIFE IN
THE FUTURE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
TO HAVE MATERIALS THAT ARE QUOTE
UNQUOTE PLASTICS, AND THEY'RE
NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE DON'T
WANT THEM TO BE PETROLEUM BASED.
WE WANT THEM TO BE COMPLETE.
THEY WANT THEM TO GO AWAY, UH,
IN OUR LANDFILLS AND JUST GO
AWAY PERIOD AND MAYBE BE
RECYCLED INTO TWO NEW PLASTICS
IN THE FUTURE. UM AND SO THIS IS
THIS IS A COMPLICATED THING IS
THE FIRST TIME I'VE DELVED INTO
PLASTICS, AND I'M NOT SURE I'M
READY TO DO IT AGAIN ANYTIME
SOON, BUT. BUT BUT I MIGHT. BUT
I MIGHT AND, UM, BECAUSE WE AND
WHAT? I DON'T THINK WHAT WE
REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE DOING IS
THERE IS THERE IS AN INDUSTRY
THERE ARE THERE ARE MULTIPLE
COMPANIES AND INNOVATIVE PEOPLE
THAT ARE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS,
AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS
DISCOURAGED THAT IN THE LONG
RUN, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS
BILL IS ALL ABOUT. AND SO I WITH
THAT I RESPECTFULLY ASK ME WHY I
VOTE AND I ASSURE YOU AS A
COMMITTEE I ABSOLUTELY WILL
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY
WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN PLASTICS.
THANK YOU. I AGREE. PLASTICS IS
VERY COMPLICATED. UM, I WAS A
JOINT AUTHOR OF SB 54. UM I
ALMOST DIDN'T LET IT OUT OF THIS
COMMITTEE, BUT BECAUSE WE ALL
WORK TOGETHER AND ADDRESS THESE
CONCERNS AND JUST SAT IN A ROOM
, WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH
SOMETHING THAT IS NOW YOU KNOW,
GREAT LEGISLATION THAT I'M SURE
THE WORLD IS LOOKING ON. BUT UH
, YOU KNOW, I HAVE RESPECT FOR
THE OPPOSITION. UM THEY WERE
ALSO PART OF THE SB 54 TEAM, YOU
KNOW, AND SO THAT'S YOU KNOW,
THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW. WE DID
SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, YOU
KNOW, AND I THINK THAT UM YOU
KNOW, I'M SATISFIED WITH THIS
SOLUTION RIGHT NOW, SO I WILL BE
SUPPORTING THIS BILL. UM,
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS
RIVAS I FLORA. FLORA, I EDIS.
AYE, FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN I.
HOOVER HOOVER. I MATHIS
MURATSUCHI. GUCCI. I PELLERIN.
HILLARY, NOT VOTING WARD. WORD I
WOULD I WOULD I ICEBERG. AYE.
THE BILL HAS 10 VOTES. IT'S OUT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, UM, NEXT,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WARD. A B TWO.
THANK YOU, DOCTOR. I CAN HELP
YOU RETIRED NOW SO THANK YOU.
COME BACK. GREAT THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS WILL
GIVE YOU THE QUICK VERSION.
FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR
AND THE COMMITTEE FOR THE WORK
ON THE BILL AND HAPPY TO ACCEPT
THE COMMITTEE'S AMENDMENTS AND
THE OUTLINING THE ANALYSIS. AS
YOU KNOW, SOLAR PV DEPLOYMENT IS
FORTUNATELY GROWN AND
UNPRECEDENTED RATE SINCE THE
EARLY TWO THOUSANDS. BUT AS THE
PV PANEL MARKET INCREASES, SO
WILL THE VOLUME OF
DECOMMISSIONED PV PANELS.
SECTORS LIKE PV PANEL RECYCLING
WILL BE ESSENTIAL IN THE STATES
TRANSITION TO A SUSTAINABLE,
ECONOMICALLY VIABLE AND
INCREASINGLY RENEWABLE ENERGY.
FUTURE. E TWO ESTABLISHES THE
FOUNDATION. AND FOR CONVENIENCE
, SAFE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY
SUSTAINABLE SYSTEM FOR THE END
OF LIFE MANAGEMENT OF SOLAR
PANELS BY REQUIRING
MANUFACTURERS TO DEVELOP AND
IMPLEMENT END OF LIFE MANAGEMENT
PLAN FOR PANELS SOLD IN
CALIFORNIA FOR MY WITNESS AND
SUPPORT. I HAVE PRISCILLA HEROES
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
PRODUCT STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL. AND
FOR THESE REASONS, I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I
VOTE. GOOD EVENING CHAIR
REMEMBERS. AND THANK YOU. SO
REMEMBER WARD PRISCILLA OCULUS
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
PRODUCT STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL WERE
HAPPY TO BE A TECHNICAL
ASSISTANCE ON THIS BILL, UH, TO
ENSURE THAT THERE IS AN END OF
LIFE MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR SOLAR
PANELS. TRADITIONALLY WE HAVE
ADVOCATED FOR EXTENDED PRODUCER
RESPONSIBILITY OR CONSUMER
RESPONSIBILITY PROGRAMS, BUT WE
UNDERSTAND THAT THE INDUSTRY HAS
CONCERNS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUE THE WORK. ON A PROGRAM
THAT ULTIMATELY MEETS THE GOAL
OF THE MEASURE TO ENSURE THAT
THERE'S AN END OF LIFE
MANAGEMENT PLAN. THE ESTIMATED
COST PER PANEL FOR THESE FOR
PROCESSING OR ROUGHLY $20 PER
NONHAZARDOUS AND $40 FOR
HAZARDOUS TYPES. CURRENTLY SOME
HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE
FACILITIES EXCEPT THESE PANELS,
WHICH ARE LOCAL GOVERNMENT RUN
AND BEAR THE COST. BUT IF
THEY'RE NOT TAKING TO H W
FACILITY THEY ARE OFTEN LEFT
BEHIND AT THE RESIDENCE
ILLEGALLY DISPOSED OF SENT OUT
OF STATE FOR LAND FILLING OR
RECYCLING OR EVEN BEING
STOCKPILED BECAUSE CITIES AND
COUNTIES CAN'T AFFORD TO SHIP
THEM AND PROCESSING AND
RECYCLING. WE THINK THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FOR HIS
LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE, AND WE
HOPE TO CONTINUE THE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SOLAR
INDUSTRY. AND TO FIND A SOLUTION
FOR THE END OF LIFE MANAGEMENT
PLAN FOR THESE PANELS AND ON
BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL
STEWARDSHIP ACTION COUNCIL AND
SOFTWARE ASSOCIATION, NORTH
AMERICA LEGISLATIVE TASK FORCE
THERE IN SUPPORTING CONCEPT OF
THIS MEASURE. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU THERE ADDITIONAL WITNESSES
AND SUPPORT. GOOD EVENING.
CHRISTINA MOJAVE WITH
CALIFORNIANS AGAINST WASTE AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. JANET COX
FROM CALIFORNIA CLIMATE ACTION
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ANY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION? SEE
NONE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SEE NONE. WE
HAVE A MOTION FROM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S AT A SECOND BY
ASSEMBLY MEMBER. I'M SORRY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS MISSING
I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO
HERE. MY CONCERN IS AS FAR AS
HOLDING THE PRODUCERS
ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE THAT
LARGE VAST NUMBER OF OUR SOLAR
PANELS ARE MANUFACTURED OUT OF
COUNTRY FROM CHINA FROM OTHER
PLACES, HAVE AH HOW ARE WE GOING
TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND GET
THEM TO TAKE ACTION? THANK YOU
FOR THE QUESTION. I THINK WE
HAVE CERTAINLY A LOT OF
PARTNERSHIPS FOR AND WE'D LIKE
TO SEE MORE MANUFACTURING RIGHT
HERE IN CALIFORNIA AS WELL. UM,
I THINK EVEN THROUGH SOME OF
THOSE PARTNERSHIPS, THERE ARE
STANDARDS THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED
THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF
RESOURCES RECYCLING RECOVERY
THAT WILL BE ABLE TO DELINEATE
WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE END
OF LIFE MANAGEMENT PLANS. THIS
ALSO APPEARS WELL WITH ANOTHER
ASSEMBLY BILL THAT I HAVE.
THAT'S NOT BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE
. UM THAT'S GONNA BE WORKING ON
SOME TOXIC MATERIALS COMPONENTS
SO THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN DO MORE
RECYCLING RIGHT HERE IN
CALIFORNIA, AS OPPOSED TO IN
NEIGHBORING STATES, UM, SO THIS
REALLY IS SETTING THOSE
STANDARDS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS?
UH, CONSULT AND THEN ALIGNING
THAT WITH MANUFACTURERS AND
SEEING THAT THEY WOULD BE TO THE
BEST THAT THERE ARE ABLE THROUGH
PARTNERSHIPS OR DIRECTLY IF HERE
IN CALIFORNIA, UM, CONSISTENT
WITH THOSE MANAGEMENT PLANS. ARE
THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? SEE NONE. WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR I
VOTE. THANK YOU, SECRETARY.
PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS. I
FLORA FLORIDA NOT VOTING. ATIS
I. FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN. I HOOVER
HOOVER. I. MATHIS. MATHIS
EMERGED. SUKI SUKI, I PELLERIN.
PELLERIN. I WARD HI. I WOULD
WOULD I SPUR I HAS 10. BILL HAS
10 VOTES THAT BILL IS OUT. FINAL
BILL OF THE DAY. JUST TWO MORE
Ó. AUTHORED TWO MORE BILLS,
BOTH BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
FRIEDMAN. I MEANT FINAL AUTHOR
OF THE DAY. LET'S START WITH A B
SIX. THANK YOU MEMBERS TO BE
BRIEF. YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THE
CLIMATE CRISIS THAT WE ARE
CURRENTLY IN AND SEVERAL YEARS
AGO ALMOST 15 YEARS AGO, DARRELL
STEINBERG AUTHORED SB 3 75,
WHICH UM, WAS MEANT TO ENSURE
THAT LAND USE PLANNING AS
EFFICIENTLY USED TO REDUCE THE
STATE'S GREENHOUSE GASSES. A B
SIX MAKES GOOD GOVERNANCE
CHANGES IN THE SP 3 75 PROCESS
BY REQUIRING CARB TO SET
REGIONAL GHD TARGETS FOR 2 2020
35 2045. THE BILL ALSO ADDS
CONCRETE TIMELINES FOR MPO S.
THOSE ARE PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS
TO SUBMIT TECHNICAL METHODOLOGY
AND THE SCS ITSELF AFTER
ADOPTION TO CARB. UM S B C A B
SIX REQUIRES RATHER THAN
ENCOURAGES MPS TO WORK WITH CARB
AS THEY REVIEW AND APPROVE
TECHNICAL METHODOLOGY. I WANT TO
BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS AN ONGOING
CONVERSATION AS WE REFINE AND
DISCUSS THE LANGUAGE, AND I'M
HOPEFUL THAT THE NEW
COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WILL YIELD
THE EFFECTIVE CHANGES IN LAND
USE. WE NEED TO MEET OUR GHD
REDUCTION TARGETS SET 15 YEARS
AGO UNDER SP 3 75. I WANT TO
THANK MAYOR STEINBERG FOR HIS
CONTINUED HARD WORK IN OUR
STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, AND HIS
INVOLVEMENT, WHICH INCLUDES
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
ENVIRONMENTAL, ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE, LOCAL GOVERNMENT,
HOUSING AND LABOR SECTIONS,
TESTIFYING AND SUPPORT THIS
AFTERNOON IS ROBERT DICKINSON,
POLICY DIRECTOR FROM CIVIC WELL
, AND BILL MCGOVERN, POLICY
DIRECTOR FROM THE COALITION FOR
CLEAN AIR, AND I WANT TO STRESS
THERE IS NO REGISTERED
OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME THAT WE
KNOW OF TO THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
I'M SURE THE WITNESSES WILL BE
BRIEF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I
WAS GOING TO REMIND WITNESSES OF
THE TIME LIMIT. YOU HAVE EMOTION
IN A SECOND. THANK YOU. MADAM
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I'M ROGER
DICKINSON, POLICY DIRECTOR FOR
CIVIC WELL, FORMERLY THE LOCAL
GOVERNMENT COMMISSION. REMEMBER
FRIEDMAN HAS DESCRIBED THE BILL
WELL AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO
THANK HER FOR HER FOR HER
LEADERSHIP. I'M GOING TO
TRUNCATE MY AND IN THE INTEREST
OF TIME I'VE BEEN ON THAT SIDE
OF THE TABLE AT THIS HOUR. AND
SO I HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT YOU'RE
FEELING IS LARGELY HUNGER, AMONG
OTHER IDEAS. UM BUT I DO WANT TO
SAY THAT. SOME REMEMBER
FRIEDMAN, ALONG WITH MAYOR
STEINBERG HAVE BROUGHT TOGETHER
THE FULL SPECTRUM OF INTEREST TO
ENGAGE IN A CHALLENGING AND
DIFFICULT SET OF CONVERSATIONS
NECESSARY TO ADDRESS HOW WE CAN
COLLECTIVELY ADVANCE OUR SOCIAL,
ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS
GROUNDED IN HOW WE DEVELOP OUR
COMMUNITIES AND APPLY. OUR
TRANSPORTATION RESOURCE IS HER
STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING
EXTRAORDINARILY DILIGENTLY WITH
THIS CROSS SECTION OF PEOPLE TO
DEVELOP, HOPEFULLY A SET OF
SOLUTIONS THAT WE MAKE PROGRESS
WITH. AND I'M ENCOURAGED THAT SO
MANY HAVE JOINED THE EFFORT TO
BUILD ON SP 3 75 AND MAKE
IDENTIFIABLE PROGRESS. ALRIGHT
AND USING OUR TRANSPORTATION
RESOURCES MORE EFFECTIVELY TO DO
THREE THINGS. AND THIS IS REALLY
ONE I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH
BRING GREATER EQUITY TO THOSE
WHO HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN
OVERLOOKED. OR DISENFRANCHISED
TO ENHANCE MOBILITY FOR PEOPLE
AND GOODS AND TO MEET THE AIR
QUALITY AND CLIMATE CRISIS THAT
CAN CONFRONTS US APPRECIATE YOUR
INTEREST AND YOUR SUPPORT FOR
THE BILL. AND I RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR I VOTE. MADAM CHAIR
MEMBERS, BILL MCGOVERN WITH THE
COALITION FOR CLEAN AIR, EAGER
TO GET HOME FOR A PIZZA AND A
GIN AND TONIC. UM BUT
TRANSPORTATION IS THE SOURCE OF
ABOUT 80% OF CALIFORNIA'S AIR
POLLUTION, BUT 50% OF ITS
CLIMATE POLLUTION WILL INCLUDE
THE UPSTREAM EMISSIONS WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT REDUCING
TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS, WE
USUALLY LOOK AT THREE AREAS
CLEAN UP THE ENGINES CLEAN UP
THE FUELS. REDUCE THE MILES
TRAVELED BY OUR VEHICLES, THE
ONE WHERE CLEARLY DOING THE
WORST IN IS REDUCING THE VEHICLE
. MILES TRAVELED, AND THAT'S WHY
WE NEED TO KEEP THIS BILL MOVING
. IT MAKES SOME, UM, MODEST
IMPROVEMENTS. IN STATE POLICY,
AND IT'S PART OF A BROADER
DISCUSSION THAT THE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER AND MAYOR STEINBERG ARE
CONVENING, WHICH WE HOPE WILL
LEAD TO GREATER SOLUTIONS. SO
THANKS FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
. FARTING LIKE WORLDS AWAY WITH
CALIFORNIA AND WHERE I'M ALL
VOTERS IN SUPPORT. ANY WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION. SEE NONE
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SEE NONE. DO
WE HAVE A MOTION? WE DO HAVE
EMOTION BY WOULD SECOND BY
PELLERIN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? JUST I WOULD REQUEST AN
AYE. VOTE THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
SECRETARY. PLEASE TAKE THEM HOME
. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS, I FLORA.
FLORIDA, NOT VOTING. ADDIS I.
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, I HOOVER. NÓ
HOOVER. NO MATHIS. MATH IS NO
MERIT. SUKI SUKI, I PELLERIN
PELLERIN. I WARD. WOULD WOULD I
SPUR IS VERY HIGH. THANK YOU.
BILL HAS SEVEN VOTES WILL LEAVE
IT OPEN FOR THE ABSENT MEMBER.
LAST BILL. MAYBE 9 14 9 14.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR
AND MEMBERS. I ACCEPT THE
SUGGESTIVE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS
ON PAGE FOUR COMMON THREE OF THE
ANALYSIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT
THESE AMENDMENTS WILL BE ADOPTED
IN THE UTILITIES AND ENERGY
COMMITTEE. THIS AMENDMENT
REMOVES THE SEQUEL EXEMPTION IN
THE BILL. IT'S OUR HOPE THAT WE
CAN CONTINUE DISCUSSION WITH THE
COMMITTEE TO TRY TO NARROW THE
SEQUEL EXEMPTION IN THIS BILL TO
MAKE IT PALATABLE TO THE
COMMITTEE AND ACCEPTABLE AND PUT
THE GUARDRAILS AROUND IT THAT WE
KNOW THAT WE NEED FOR OUR TO
PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT. THE
GOAL OF THIS BILL IS TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE MOVE UPGRADING
TRANSMISSION. TO BRING NEW CLEAN
ENERGY INTO THE STATE AS RAPIDLY
AS WE CAN. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE
HAVE TO ADD MANY, MANY WET
MEGAWATTS OF ELECTRICITY TO OUR
STATE TO MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS
THAT ARE ELECTRIFICATION GOALS.
BUT IF WE KIND OF JUST CRAWL
ALONG WITH A BUSINESS AS USUAL
STANDARD, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING
TO GET THERE. WE KNOW WE'RE NOT.
WE KNOW WE ARE NEVER GOING TO
GET ALL OF THE UPGRADES THAT WE
NEED PERMITTED AND IN PLACE. AND
THIS IS A WE HOPE OF MODEST BUT
WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
MOVE THE NEEDLE EFFORT TO GET
THOSE PROJECTS MOVING FASTER. UM
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
COMMITTEE'S WILLINGNESS TO LET
US CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD. AND
TESTIFYING TODAY AND SUPPORTERS
. ADAM SMITH WAS SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA EDISON. YEAH. I DON'T
KNOW IF ANYONE'S HERE FROM MY
BBW OR BUT WE MAY OR MAY NOT
HAVE SOMEONE. THANK YOU. GREAT
YEAH, I'LL KEEP IT. BRIEF ADAM
SMITH, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
EDISON. STRONG SUPPORT FOR 89 14
. I THINK, AS THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MENTIONED, YOU
KNOW, WE HAVE A REALLY MASSIVE
NEED TO UPGRADE THE ELECTRICAL
INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. IF WE'RE GOING TO
HIT CARBON AND REALITY IF WE'RE
GONNA DELIVER ELECTRICITY TO THE
SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN
ELECTRIFICATION, THOUGH THEY'RE
COMING OUR WAY. JUST TWO QUICK
DATA POINTS FOR YOU. ELECTRICITY
DEMAND INCREASES BY ABOUT 40%
RELATIVE TO TODAY BY 24 35. THIS
IS ACCORDING TO THE STATE
SCOPING PLAN THAT'S JUST 12
YEARS AWAY. IT TAKES 10 YEARS AT
LEAST TO BUILD A TRANSMISSION
LINE. IT TAKES SIMILAR TO BUILD
A SUBSTATION. WE'RE GONNA NEED
TO BUILD A LOT MORE OF THOSE
OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 10
YEARS AND WE THINK MAYBE 9 14
DOES A GOOD JOB. AS AMENDED. WE
LOOK FORWARD TO THE
CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL BE
ONGOING, BUT WE RESPECTFULLY
URGE YOUR I VOTE. ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. MADAM
CHAIR. ISRAEL SALAS WITH SAN
DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC IN
SUPPORT AND ALSO REGISTERING
SUPPORT FOR PACIFIC GAS AND
ELECTRIC COMPANY. THANK YOU.
DEAN TALLY WITH THE CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURERS AND TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION STRONG SUPPORT.
STEPHEN STANSELL, WITH BROWN
SEEN ON BEHALF OF THE HOUSING
ACTION COALITION AND SUPPORT
MADISON VANDER CLAY WITH SILICON
VALLEY LEADERSHIP GROUP AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU ARE THERE
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION? CNN
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL START
WITH ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MATHIS.
GREAT BILL WOULD LOVE TO COME ON
AS A CO AUTHOR. HAPPY TO HAVE
YOU ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HOOVER.
YEAH I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD
ACTUALLY HAD A COMPANY IN MY
DISTRICT, A SOLAR COMPANY TRYING
TO EXPAND PRODUCTION OF SOLAR
PANELS IN MY DISTRICT, AND ONE
OF THE BIG HURDLES IS GETTING
THE ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE
NEEDED TO DO THAT EXPANSION AND
THIS WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY
INCREASE THE TIME OR THE
EFFICIENCY OF THAT THAT PROCESS
SO I WOULD LOVE TO COME ON AS A
CO AUTHOR AS WELL. HAPPY TO HAVE
YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER WOULD. YEAH I WANT TO
THANK YOU, MR FRIEDMAN FOR
BRINGING SOME OF THE MEMBER
FREEDOM. FREEDOM BRINGING THE
BILL. UM BEFORE YOUR WITNESS
SAID I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS TO
THAT IT'S IT TAKES 10 YEARS FROM
FROM THE BEGINNING BUILDING
TRANSMISSION OR LOOKING,
CONCEIVING AND TRANSMISSION LINE
TO BUILDING IT OUT. AND IF WE
ARE GOING TO GET TO OUR OUR
GREEN ENERGY GOALS WE HAVE TO
FIND A WAY TO MOVE THE PROCESS
FASTER. STILL WANTED THE
GUARDRAILS. WE STILL WANT TO
PROTECTIONS, BUT THAT IS
ENTIRELY TOO LONG TO DO THAT.
AND WHEN WE SAW IN THE
DISCUSSIONS LAST YEAR ABOUT THE
EXTENSION OF THE APPLE CANYON
AND A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS
WHAT WE HEARD. WHAT I HEARD
ANYWAY, WAS THE BIGGEST
IMPEDIMENT FOR US IN GETTING TO
WHERE WE NEED TO GET IS
INTERCONNECTION AND TRANSMISSION
AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD.
APPRECIATE IT. OKAY.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ADDIS. I ALSO
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS FOR IT. I THINK THESE ARE
REALLY IMPORTANT GOALS, I WILL
SAY, REPRESENTING DIABLO,
REPRESENTING PLACES WHERE
BATTERY STORAGE ARE POTENTIALLY
PLANNED FOR REPRESENTING
POTENTIAL OFFSHORE WIND HEAVY
OPPOSITION TO THE IDEA OF A
SEQUEL EXEMPTION, WHICH I HEARD
YOU SAY YOU WILL TAKE THAT
AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE SEQUEL
EXEMPTION. SO I'M GOING TO STAY
OFF TODAY. BUT ONCE I SEE THAT
SEQUENCE EXEMPTION IN WRITING
WILL BE ABLE TO COME ON ABOUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MURATSUCHI
THANK YOU VERY MUCH WANT TO ASK
TO BE ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR? UM,
I'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO THIS
ISSUE OF HOW WE'VE TRIED TO FAST
TRACK THE TRANSMISSION GRID
EXPANSION AS WELL AS THE
INTERCONNECTIONS AND SO I THINK
WE'RE HEARING BIPARTISAN
INTEREST. I ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE
BEEN INTERESTED IN THAT ORIGINAL
SEQUEL EXEMPTION. IF WE HAVE A
HOUSING CRISIS THAN THAN WHAT
YOU KNOW WE, YOU KNOW WHY NOT
FOR THE CLIMATE CRISIS. THANK
YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMENTS? OK, THANK YOU. DO WE
HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO
MAKE SURE OH, MATHIS. SECOND BY
WOULD OKAY. THANK YOU FOR A
GREEN TO THE AMENDMENT TO TAKE
OUT THE SEQUEL EXEMPTION. I AM
COMMITTED AND THIS COMMITTEE IS
COMMITTED TO CONTINUE TO WORK
WITH YOU ON THAT EXEMPTION. UM
JUST WE WEREN'T ABLE TO AGREE AT
THIS TIME, BUT YOU HAVE MY
COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE WORKING
AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED
THIS BILL TO AND YOU HAVE
COMMITTED TO ALSO WORK WITH US
ON THIS, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING
THAT. UM, I'M SUPPORTING THE
BILL TODAY. UM AND WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE? YEAH. I REALLY
APPRECIATE YOUR GIVING US THE
CHANCE TO CONTINUE WORKING ON
IT. I REALLY DO. AND I AM BARELY
COMMITTED TO ADDRESSING YOUR
CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T
WANT TO HAVE A SEQUEL EXEMPTION
FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE LARGE AND
HAVE MAJOR OPPOSITION. THAT'S
CERTAINLY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO
WRITE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AT THE
SAME TIME. THERE ARE EVEN EASY
PROJECTS THAT HAVE NO OPPOSITION
THAT CAN TAKE TWO YEARS UP TO 10
YEARS TO GET PERMITTED, SO WE
REALLY WANT TO FIND THAT SWEET
SPOT OF GETTING THOSE I WOULD
LOVE TO SEE A SEQUEL EXEMPTION
VERY LIMITED FOR SMALL, YOU KNOW
FOR CERTAIN SMALL UPGRADES
BECAUSE WE JUST WE JUST DON'T WE
CAN'T AFFORD UH, TO STALL. WE
HAVE A CLIMATE CRISIS, SO WE'VE
GOT TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT AND
WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. I
APPRECIATE THE FOUR OF YOU WHO
HAVE ASKED TO COME ON HIS CO
AUTHORS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
AND I APPRECIATE THE VOTE TODAY.
THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND
A SECOND SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
TO UTILITIES AND ENERGY
COMMITTEE. RIVAS RIVAS. I FLORA
FLORA, I ADDIS, NOT VOTING.
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, I HOOVER
HOOVER I. MATHIS MATHIS TSUJI.
MURATSUCHI AYE, PELLERIN.
PELLERIN. I WARD. I WOULD WOULD
ICEBERG. AYE. BILL HAS 10 VOTES
THAT BILL IS OUT. NEXT. WE WILL
DO ADD ONS, OR DO YOU WANT TO
START WITH BILLS ON CALL, OR DO
WE GO ON BOARD? FROM THE TOP.
OKAY, LET'S START. ITEM THREE A.
B SIX FRIEDMAN. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. WARD
WARD. I PAID BILL HAS EIGHT
VOLTS THAT THOSE OUT. NEXT ITEM,
4 89. MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS FLORA FLORA NO
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, I HOOVER.
HOOVER NO MASSES MATHIS NO WARD.
WORD. I. SO HAS EIGHT VOTES.
THAT BILL IS NEXT. 55 A B 2 41
MOTION IS DEPRESSED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. RIVAS RIVAS I
FLORA. FLORA? NO, FRIEDMAN.
MAYBE 241. REYES. FRIEDMAN. AYE.
HOOVER HOOVER. NO MERIT SUKI
SUKI, I WARD WARD I ICEBERG. HI.
I. 8 TO 3. BILL HAS EIGHT VOTES
THAT PULL US OUT. MAYBE 3 24.
MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. FLORA FLORA I.
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN, NOT VOTING
WARD. WARD. I. I HAVE SIX MONTHS
THAT BILL HAS SIX VOTES. THAT
BILL IS OUT. ITEM SEVEN A B 6
78. MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS FLORA. VOTING,
NOT VOTING. FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN.
I. HOOVER HOOVER. I WARD WARD. I
NINE. WELL, HAS NINE VOTES. THAT
BILL IS OUT. ITEM NINE. 89 85
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS. FLORA FLORA NO
FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN. I. HOOVER.
ITEM NINE A B 99 85. NO. HOOVER
NÓ. 23. IT HAS EIGHT VOTES. THAT
BILL IS OUT NEXT ITEM 11 MAYBE
12 87. MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
RIVAS. AYE. RIVAS. I FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN. I. HOOVER HOOVER
AWARD. WARD. I SPUR 12 87. YES.
AH! I ACCEPTED THE COMMITTEE'S
AMENDMENTS. YES I HAS TEMPLES.
10 VOTES THAT BOTH. NO, NO, NO.
AYE.
THE NEXT ITEM, 12 MAYBE 13 19.
THE MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS FLORA. FLORA AND
NO FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN. I. HOOVER
HOOVER. NO. MATHIS. MATHIS NÓ
PELLERIN PELLERIN I AWARD WARD.
I 23 823 THAT BILL IS OUT. ITEM
15. MAYBE 15 50 MOTION IS DUE
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS FLORA.
FLORA? NO, FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN I
. THREE IT WAS EIGHT VOLTS. THAT
BILL IS OUT ITEM 17. MAYBE 15 67
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN. I. HOOVER WHO WERE NOT
VOTING WARD. WARD. I. THE BILL
HAS EIGHT VOTES THAT PULL US
OUT. ITEM 19 A B 16 33 MOTION IS
DUE PAST AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN. AYE. IT HAS EIGHT
VOTES THAT BILLOWS OUT ITEM 21 A
B 17 43 MOTION IS DUE PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN I HAS 11
VOTES HAS 11 VOTES. THAT BILL IS
OUT. WE HAVE THE CONSENT
CALENDAR. FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN I.
HOOVER HOOVER. I WARD. I HAS IT
, UH, CONTENT CALENDAR HAS 11
VOTES. IT'S OUT. MEETING IS
ADJOURNED. THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
HAVE THOUGHT. I'D LIKE TO BE IN
YOUR LAST BILL, TOO. I JUST
DIDN'T I JUST WANT TO TAKE MORE
TIME YOU WANTED TO DON'T TAKE
EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW THAT
ONE. I WOULDN'T MIND.