GOOD AFTERNOON
AND WELCOME TO THIS HEARING OF
THE ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON
REVENUE AND TAX BEFORE WE TAKE
UP THE BILLS ON OUR AGENDA.
TODAY I AGAIN REMIND EVERYBODY
IN THE AUDIENCE AND MEMBERS OF
THE PUBLIC THAT THIS COMMITTEE
IS NOT ACCEPTING REMOTE
TESTIMONY. AS ALWAYS. WE ARE
ACCEPTING WRITTEN TESTIMONY
THROUGH THE POSITION LETTER ON
THE PORTAL. AH WE HAVE
REINSTATED OUR SUSPENSE FILE
THIS YEAR BILLS WITH THE FISCAL
IMPACT OF PLUS OR MINUS 150,000
WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR A VOTE
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEIR
PRESENTATION BILLS ON SUSPENSE
THAT ARE NOT TAX LEVIES WILL BE
TAKEN UP TODAY, INCLUDING BILLS.
THAT ARE HEARD AND MOVED TO
SUSPENSE DURING THE FIRST
PORTION OF TODAY'S HEARING.
HEARING TAX LEVY BILLS WILL BE
TAKEN UP AT OUR NEXT HEARING ON
MAY 1ST. WE WILL BEGIN BY TAKING
UP FILE ITEM. 1 84 30 BY NOPE.
QUIRK-SILVA. OKAY WE'RE RIGHT
HERE, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE
STARTING AS A SUBCOMMITTEE. SO,
UM THIS IS A B 346. ITEM NUMBER
FIVE. YES THANK YOU. AND GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WITH
THE GOVERNOR'S APPROVAL OF A B
101 OF 2019. THE STATE BUDGET
HAS INCREASED ITS INVESTMENT IN
THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX
CREDIT PROGRAM BY 505 $100
MILLION PER YEAR. A B 3 46
PROVIDES A BIGGER BANG FOR THE
BUCK AND HELPS MAXIMIZE OUR
PRODUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOMES
BY ALLOWING THE TAX CREDIT
ALLOCATION COMMITTEE TO PAIR THE
STATE TAX CREDITS WITH EITHER A
4% OR 9% FEDERAL CREDITS AS
CONTENT AS CONDITIONS BEST
DICTATE, AND 2019, CALIFORNIA
PAIRED THE STATE CREDITS WITH 4.
FEDERAL CREDITS BECAUSE OF THE
4% FEDERAL CREDITS THAT WERE
UNDERSUBSCRIBED AT THE TIME.
SINCE THEN, CONDITIONS HAVE
DRAMATICALLY CHANGED. 4% FEDERAL
CREDITS ARE NOW OVER SUBSCRIBED
, 321 AND FEDERAL RULES DO NOT
ALLOW US TO EXPAND THAT PROGRAM.
EACH 4% CREDIT DEVELOPMENT THAT
RECEIVES STATE CREDIT. SIMPLEST
SIMPLY DISPLACES ANOTHER WORTHY
DEVELOPMENT DURING THIS HOUSING
CRISIS, HOWEVER, THERE IS NO
FEDERAL BARRIER TO EXPANDING THE
9% FEDERAL CREDIT PROGRAM.
THEREFORE IF UNDER THESE
CONDITIONS WE PAIR THE STATE
CREDITS WITH 9% FEDERAL CREDITS,
WE CAN FUND ADDITIONAL
ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOMES. 83
46 DOES NOT INCREASE TAXES IN
ANY WAY BECAUSE THE AMOUNTS OF
CREDITS IS FIXED IN THE BUDGET
EACH YEAR. MAYBE 3 46 SIMPLY IS
MORE EFFECTIVE AND IMPACTFUL AND
AN IMPACTFUL WAY FOR CALIFORNIA
DEPLOYED ITS SCARCE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING REFORM SOURCES. AS WE
KNOW, I'VE BEEN A BIG ADVOCATE
OF HOUSING PRODUCTION AND VERY
BULLISH ON THIS EFFORT FOR US TO
BUILD MORE HOMES, UH, IN
CALIFORNIA WITH ME TODAY TO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS IS MR MARKS. DIVERS
DIRECTOR OF THE LEGISLATIVE AND
REGULATORY ADVOCACY WITH THE
CALIFORNIA HOUSING PARTNERSHIP.
GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS MARKS
DIVERS WITH THE CALIFORNIA
HOUSING PARTNERSHIP. WE ARE
ALWAYS EAGER TO MAKE STATE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS MORE
EFFICIENT, AND THAT IS
PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT THESE
DAYS AS THE STATE FACES FISCAL
PRESSURES AS THE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S MENTIONED THIS
WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO BUILD
MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS
WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF STATE
TAX CREDIT INVESTMENT. ONE OF
THE PROVISIONS ALONE WILL
INCREASE THE PRICING THAT
PRIVATE INVESTORS WILL PAY FOR
STATE CREDITS BY SEVEN CENTS ON
THE DOLLAR. THAT NETS US ABOUT
$21 MILLION PER YEAR IN
ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT, PRIVATE
INVESTMENT FOR THE SAME AMOUNT
OF STATE TAX CREDITS. WE VERY
MUCH ENCOURAGE YOUR VOTE TODAY.
I UNDERSTAND THIS BILL WILL GO
SUSPENSE, BUT WE HOPE WE WILL
GET TO DO THAT LATER. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND ARE
THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT? AND ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES IN THE ROOM THAT WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION?
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE
COMMITTEE. AH! ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
QUIRK-SILVA SIMILAR BILL WAS
VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR LAST
YEAR. HAVE YOU BEEN SPEAKING TO
THE ADMINISTRATION? WE ARE
CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THEM AND
ENCOURAGE THEM AND HOPING FOR A
BETTER OUTCOME THIS YEAR, THE
STATE TREASURER DOES SUPPORT
THIS BILL. ALL AND IF THERE'S NO
QUESTIONS WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? UH JUST THAT WE WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I VOTE
ALRIGHT AND WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THIS THIS BILL WILL BE REFERRED
. CAN'T DO THAT YET. CORNER
FIRST WE WILL. UM UM CAN WE
PLEASE TAKE THE BROAD CALL AND
ESTABLISH A QUORUM? HERE IN HERE
, WALLACE, LET'S HEAR BEANS
HERE. GRAYSON GRAYSON HERE,
PACHECO. JIM PATTERSON PATTERSON
HERE, PETRIE-NORRIS. THREE OF US
YEAH, I HEAR VALENCIA'S OF OUR
WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALRIGHT, THEN
, WITHOUT OBJECTION, THIS BILL
WILL BE REFERRED TO OUR SUSPENSE
FILE. AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF
OTHER THANK YOU. HOUSEKEEPING
ITEMS. AH! BEFORE WE COME UP TO
OUR NEXT PRESENTER. UM WE ARE
GOING TO BE STARTING THE HEARING
TODAY BY TAKING UP BILLS UNDER
REGULAR ORDER OF BUSINESS BEFORE
TAKING UP THE SUSPENSE FILE.
WITH THIS IN MIND, THE ONLY TWO
BILLS ON TODAY'S AGENDA WILL BE
ELIGIBLE FOR VOTE DURING THE
REGULAR ORDER OF BUSINESS FILE
ITEM TO A V 1400 BRIAN. FILE
ITEM EIGHT. A B, UH 10, 02 OR
NGUYEN. ADDITIONALLY FOR A V 14
56 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S JOE
PATTERSON AND MAYBE 14 41 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HANEY HAVE BEEN
PULLED OFF OF TODAY'S HEARING BY
THE AUTHORS, ALL RIGHT, AND NOW
. WHY DON'T WE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BRIAN? I DON'T YOU. ITEM FILE
ITEMS TO MAYBE 1400. GOOD
AFTERNOON. GET AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR. AND COLLEAGUES COME AS A
TODAY TO PRESENT A B 1400. THIS
BILL WILL SUPPORT THE CALIFORNIA
COMMUNITY COLLEGE. Tð HBCU TO
CALIFORNIA PIPELINE BY BETTER
UTILIZING FUNDS GENERATED BY THE
COLLEGE ACCESS TAX CREDIT,
CONCENTRATING THESE FUNDS TOWARD
A SMALLER POPULATION OF STUDENTS
WHO ARE TRANSFERRING TO H B. C.
U. S. THE COLLEGE ACCESS TAX
CREDIT AT ITS PEAK WAS ABOUT $6
MILLION A YEAR. AFTER FEDERAL
TAX CUTS. IT'S LESS THAN HALF A
MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR RIGHT
NOW. IN FACT, IF WE DISPERSE IT
ACROSS THE STUDENT POPULATION
IT'S CURRENTLY SET TO GO TO EACH
STUDENT GETS ABOUT A DOLLAR 50 A
YEAR. 75 CENTS. A SEMESTER.
THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO BUY PENCILS
, TEXTBOOKS A PACK OF GUM. SO WE
DID IS WE WORK WITH THE STUDENT
AID COMMISSION AND OTHERS TO
THINK ABOUT A MORE TARGETED
CONCENTRATED GROUP OF STUDENTS
WHO COULD BETTER BENEFIT FROM
THESE RESOURCES. EXISTING
RESOURCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT
SERVING ANYBODY. AND WHAT WE
CAME UP WITH WITH SOMETHING THAT
MATCHES SIMILAR TO THE CHAFEE
GRANT PROGRAM. THE CHAFEE GRANT
PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM FOR CURRENT
AND FORMER FOSTER YOUTH WHO
UTILIZE OUT OF STATE
INSTITUTIONS, BUT THE TESTS ARE
COMING BACK TO CALIFORNIA AFTER
COMPLETING THEIR EDUCATION.
THERE'S A SIMILAR PIPELINE OF
STUDENTS HEADED TO OUR HBCU S
WHO HAVE NO FINANCIAL AID
SUPPORT, BUT A TEST TO COME BACK
TO CALIFORNIA HBCU CALIFORNIA
PIPELINE THAT BUILDS UP BLACK
GRADUATES AT A GREATER RATE THAN
ALL CALIFORNIA INSTITUTIONS. WE
TARGET THESE RESOURCES TOWARDS
THAT SMALLER POPULATION. EACH OF
THOSE STUDENTS WOULD RECEIVE A
$5000 GRANT EACH YEAR INSTEAD OF
A DOLLAR FIFTY'S BUT ACROSS THE
CURRENT BASE THAT'S THE NEXUS OF
THIS BILL WITH ME TO TESTIFY.
ALEX ZUKO STATE AND FEDERAL
POLICY MANAGER FOR THE
CALIFORNIA STUDENT AID
COMMISSION, AND MARIA CALLAS,
LEGISLATIVE AND GOVERNMENTAL
AFFAIRS OFFICER OF THE LOS
ANGELES COMMUNITY COLLEGE
DISTRICT. GOOD AFTERNOON,
CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS. I'M ALEX
ZUKO FROM STUDENT A COMMISSION
WHEN THE TAX CREDIT WAS
ESTABLISHED WITH SB, 1, 74 AND
2014, THE COMMISSION DID
ADMINISTRATOR ADMINISTRATE CLOSE
TO $56 MILLION, WHICH GAVE EACH
CALGARY AND BE STUDENTS BETWEEN
25 $27. A SEMESTER WITH
INFLATION TAX CUTS. IT DID GO
DOWN TO ABOUT 400,000. WHICH
GIVES I MEAN, I WAS GONNA GO A
FUN PACK OF EMINEM'S, BUT THAT
WAS WHERE MY HEAD WAS THAT THEY
COULD BUY. UM SO WITH SOME OF
THEM ARE BONTA INTRODUCED A B 28
80 EXTENDED THE TAX CREDIT FOR
ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, AND AT THAT
POINT, WE BEGAN LOOKING AT A
SMALLER GROUP OF STUDENTS. WE
WANTED TO FIND SOMETHING THAT
ALREADY HAD A CALIFORNIA
CONNECTION AND THAT WAS CAME TO
US WITH THE CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY
COLLEGES GUARANTEED TRANSFER
PATHWAYS. HBCU S THESE, UM THE
COMMUNITY COLLEGES HAS M O U. S
WITH 39 OF THE OVER 50, HBCU S
AND TRADITIONALLY ABOUT 75
STUDENTS ANNUALLY WOULD BE
RECEIVING THESE GRANTS UP TO
$5000. CALIFORNIA IS HOME TO
ZERO HBCU S, AND CURRENTLY THERE
IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
CALIFORNIA TO SUPPORT OUR
CALIFORNIA STUDENTS THAT WANT TO
HAVE THIS UNIQUE EDUCATION.
UNDER A B 1400 PROVIDE STUDENTS
WITH THIS COLLEGE TRANSFER TO
THE OUED. INSTITUTIONS WITH THE
$5000 GRANT. UM WHILE IT IS, UM,
DOES HAVE A SEAT OF FEDERAL
MONEY IT IS OF THE 18 MILLION WE
ADMINISTER IN SHAPING GRANTS.
OVER SEVEN MILLION COMES FROM
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. ABOUT
5.6 MILLION COMES FROM LOCAL
AGENCIES AND COUNTIES AND THE
REST FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. ON BEHALF OF STUDENT
AID COMMISSION AND A CINEMA
BRIAN, WE'D LIKE TO ASK FOR MY
VOTE. UH HUH. LIKE AN AUCTION.
SORRY. CAN WE HAVE OUR SECOND
WITNESS, PLEASE? CHAIR IRWIN AND
HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM
MARIA LUISA THE LOSS AND I AM
THE LEGISLATIVE AND GOVERNMENT
RELATIONS OFFICER FOR THE LOS
ANGELES COMMUNITY COLLEGE
DISTRICT. WE THINK A SUBWAY
MEMBER BRYANT FOR HIS LEADERSHIP
AND AUTHORSHIP OF A B 1400,
WHICH PROVIDES GRANTS TO
CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY COLLEGE
STUDENTS WHO TRANSFER TO
HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND
UNIVERSITIES USING THE COLLEGE
ACCESS TAX CREDIT FUND.
HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES HAVE
A LONG RICH HISTORY OF PROVIDING
HIGH QUALITY POSTSECONDARY
EDUCATION TO BLACK STUDENTS.
THIS BILL WILL INCREASE ACCESS
TO FOUR YEAR HIGHER EDUCATION
INSTITUTIONS. BY INCREASING
FINANCIAL AID FOR THESE STUDENTS
, MAYBE 1400 WOULD ALLOCATE THE
EXISTING FUNDING STREAM AND A
MORE TARGETED FASHION, PROVIDING
MEANINGFUL FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO
CALIFORNIANS TRANSFERRING FROM
COMMUNITY COLLEGES TO HBC USE.
THE LOS ANGELES COMMUNITY
COLLEGE DISTRICT. THERE'S A
PROUD TRANSFER PARTNER WITH
HISTORICAL BLACK COLLEGES AND
UNIVERSITIES ANNUALLY. WE
SCHEDULED TRIPS FOR STUDENTS
WISHING TO EXPLORE THEIR OPTIONS
AT HBCU S. CURRENTLY THE
CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY COLLEGES
OFFER TRANSFER GUARANTEED TO 39
HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND
UNIVERSITIES AS ALEX JUST
MENTIONED. GENERALLY STUDENTS
WHO RECEIVE AT LEAST TWO POINT
OH GPA AND 30 TRANSFERABLE UNITS
ARE GUARANTEED TRANSFER. IT'S
EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE
SUCH HIGH PRAISE FOR HBCU S.
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT HBCU S
HAVE A HIGHER SUCCESS RATE. FOR
BLACK STUDENTS COME AS COMPARED
TO OTHER UNIVERSITIES IN THE US
BLACK STUDENTS HAVE REPORTED
EXPERIENCING A STRONG SENSE OF
BELONGING CONNECTION TO
COMMUNITY. AND PERSONALIZED
ATTENTION. AS WELL AS EXCELLENT
MENTORSHIP. HMM THIS HAS
RESULTED IN BETTER RETENTION.
BETTER PERSISTENCE AND HIGHER
GRADUATION RATES. OVERALL HBCU S
OFFER A UNIQUE AND VALUABLE
EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE THAT
HELPS BLACK STUDENTS SUCCEED
ACADEMICALLY, PERSONALLY AND
PROFESSIONALLY. MAYBE 1400 IS A
CREATIVE AND EFFECTIVE. UM WAY
TO SUPPORT COMMUNITY COLLEGE
STUDENTS TRANSFERRING. WITH WITH
THE RELIEF FROM FINANCIAL
BURDEN. ATTENDING A SCHOOL,
OTHER STATES. THIS BILL WILL
SIGNIFICANTLY BENEFIT L. A C C D
STUDENTS WHO WISH TO ATTEND AN
HBCU AND FOR THIS THESE REASONS
I URGE YOUR I RESPECTFULLY URGE,
ER I VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER WITNESSES
IN SUPPORT IN THE ROOM? ANY
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE. I
HAVE ONE QUESTION. SURE. I'M NOT
SURE IF I HEARD CORRECTLY DID
YOU SAY THE STUDENTS HAVE TO
ATTEST THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO
MOVE BACK TO CALIFORNIA, CORRECT
SIMILAR TO OTHER COMMUNITY
COLLEGE TRANSFER PROGRAMS FOR
STUDENTS OUT OF STATE. ALL
RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? ABSOLUTELY SO JUST IN
CLOSING. THERE IS AN EXISTING
POOL OF MONEY AT THE STATE. IT
HAS BEEN DECREASED FROM NEARLY
$6 MILLION A YEAR TO $412,000 A
YEAR SPREAD OUT AND ITS CURRENT
CAPACITY STUDENTS ARE GETTING A
DOLLAR 50. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING
IS TARGETING THOSE RESOURCES IN
THE MORE INTENTIONAL WAY TOWARDS
STUDENTS WHO ARE OFTEN NEGLECTED
AND LEFT BEHIND IN OUR COMMUNITY
COLLEGE SYSTEM. WE HAVE SHOWN A
HIGH PROPENSITY AND CAPABILITY
HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED TO
HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGE,
WHICH WE DO NOT OFFER HERE IN
CALIFORNIA AND WHO HAD TESTS TO
BRING THOSE SKILLS BACK HOME.
THIS BILL WILL MAKE A MEANINGFUL
DIFFERENCE, AND I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR A VOTE. VERY GOOD THAT
THIS BILL HAS BEEN MOVED BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAYSON AND
SECONDED BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
VALENCIA MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. MS
HIGHLAND PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN IRWIN, I,
WALLACE WALLACE. I BAINES MEANS
I GRAYSON GRACE AND I CHICO
CHICO, I. PATERSON, JIM. JIM
PATERSON. I PETRIE-NORRIS
THREE OF US TO I VALENCIA.
VALENCIA. YES, I ZEBRA. AND THAT
BILL IS OUT 8 TO 0. THANK YOU.
RIGHT? AND SINCE WE SEE NO, MR
BENNETT. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GABRIEL. THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM
NUMBER 3 28. WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. I AM PLEASED TODAY TO
PRESENT A B 28, WHICH WOULD
IMPOSE A MODEST EXERCISE SACKS
ON THE SALE OF GUNS AND
AMMUNITION TO FUND SCHOOL SAFETY
MEASURES AND GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION PROGRAMS. THESE
PROGRAMS HAVE PROVEN TO BE SOME
OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS OF
STOPPING GUN VIOLENCE IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. VIOLENCE IS
NOW THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH
FOR KIDS IN THE UNITED STATES.
IT DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTS,
LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES AND
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND YOUTH
IN MANY OF OUR CITIES REPORT
HIGHER RATES OF PTSD THAN
SOLDIERS RETURNING FOR MORE.
UNFORTUNATELY LAW ENFORCEMENT
HAS OFTEN BEEN OVERWHELMED BY
GUN VIOLENCE AND CLEARED LESS
THAN ONE THIRD OF AGGREGATED
ASSAULTS WITH FIREARMS IN 2019.
THE FUNDS GENERATED UNDER THIS
BILL WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO THE
CALIFORNIA VIOLENCE INTERVENTION
AND PREVENTION GRANT PROGRAM,
WHICH HAS ALREADY HELPED TO
REDUCE THE RATE OF GUN VIOLENCE
IN CALIFORNIA. THESE FUNDS WILL
EXPAND SCHOOL, MENTAL HEALTH AND
SAFETY MEASURES ENHANCED SUPPORT
SERVICES FOR VICTIMS OF FIREARM
. VIOLENCE BOLSTER INVESTIGATION
IN CLEARANCE RATE FOR FIREARM
ASSAULTS AND IMPROVE FIREARM
RELINQUISHMENT PROGRAMS. TO BE
CLEAR. THIS BILL IS NOT A
PENALTY OR AN EFFORT TO
DISCOURAGE LAWFUL FIREARM SALES.
RATHER IT AIMS TO CREATE A
SUSTAINABLE FUNDING SOURCE FOR
PROGRAMS THAT ARE PROVEN TO
REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE AND SAVE
LIVES. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
THAT CALIFORNIANS ARE COUNTING
ON US TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
KEEP THEM SAFE FROM GUN VIOLENCE
AND MASS SHOOTINGS. THEY'RE
COUNTING ON US TO EXHAUST EVERY
EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT THEIR
CHILDREN DO NOT LIVE IN FEAR AT
SCHOOL AT CHURCH AT THE PARK OR
ANYWHERE ELSE, THEY WILL DIE
BECAUSE OF GUN VIOLENCE, 28 THE
PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES THAT
FUNDS ARE ESSENTIAL TO THAT
EFFORT. THAT'S WHY THIS BILL IS
SUPPORTED BY A COALITION OF GUN
SAFETY ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING
MOMS DEMAND ACT ACTION, GIFFORDS
, EVERY TOWN FOR GUN SAFETY AND
MARCH FOR OUR LIVES, AS WELL AS
GROUPS IN THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND
MEDICAL FIELDS, WHO HAVE BEEN ON
THE FRONT LINES OF OUR GUN
VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC IN EMERGENCY
ROOMS AND TRAUMA CENTERS. THIS
INCLUDES THE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN
ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, THE
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
PEDIATRIC NURSE PRACTITIONERS,
AMERICANS, PHYSICIANS GROUPS AND
THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF
EMERGENCY PHYSICIANS. WITH ME
TODAY TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT IS
MIKE MIKE LIVELY ON BEHALF OF
OUR SPONSOR, GIFFORDS AND
GABRIEL GARCIA ON BEHALF OF
YOUTH ALIVE. THANK YOU AND
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST HER. I
VOTE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
, MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS MIKE MIKE
LIVELY. I'M THE POLICY DIRECTOR
OF THE GIFFORDS CENTER FOR
VIOLENCE. INTERVENTION WERE PART
OF GIFFORDS, WHICH IS A NATIONAL
GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION
ORGANIZATION NAMED AFTER FORMER
CONGRESSWOMAN GABBY GIFFORDS,
WHO I'M SURE AS YOU KNOW, WAS
SHOT IN THE HEAD BACK IN 2011
WHILE HOSTING AN EVENT FOR
CONSTITUENTS. I SPEAK TO YOU
TODAY, NOT JUST ON BEHALF OF
GIFFORDS. BUT ON BEHALF OF THE
DOZENS OF ORGANIZATIONS AND
AGENCIES AND HUNDREDS OF
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PART OF OUR
CALVET COALITION. WHICH IS THE
NATION'S LARGEST STATEWIDE
COALITION DEDICATED TO
ADDRESSING COMMUNITY VIOLENCE,
AND MANY OF THEM MADE THE TRIP
OUT HERE TODAY TO BE IN THIS
ROOM. I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR
BEING HERE. WE WORKED WITH YOU
FOR MANY YEARS HERE IN THE
LEGISLATURE TO CREATE AND EXPAND
THE CALIFORNIA VIOLENCE
INTERVENTION PREVENTION PROGRAM,
ALSO KNOWN AS CAL VEP, WHICH IS
OUR STATE SINGLE LARGEST
INVESTMENT INTO COMMUNITY BASED
GUN VIOLENCE REDUCTION PROGRAMS.
OUR TOP PRIORITY OF THE
COALITION THIS YEAR IS THE
PASSAGE OF ASSEMBLY BILL 28.
THERE ARE TWO FACTS CONVERGING
AT THE SAME TIME THAT MAKE THIS
SUCH A CRITICAL BILL. THE FIRST
IS THAT GUN VIOLENCE IS ON THE
RISE HERE IN CALIFORNIA AND HAS
INCREASED DRAMATICALLY SINCE THE
ONSET OF COVID IN 2020. AS THE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER SAID. GUN
VIOLENCE IS THE NUMBER ONE
KILLER OF CHILDREN IN OUR
COUNTRY TODAY. AND WHILE OUR
STATE HAS LOWER GUN VIOLENCE
RATES THAN OTHER STATES IN THIS
COUNTRY, WE'RE STILL LOSING
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND
THOUSANDS MORE ARE SHOT AND
INJURED EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN THE
STATE AND PREVENTABLE SHOOTINGS.
AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'VE SEEN
THESE HISTORIC SPIKES IN
VIOLENCE, THE GUN INDUSTRY
HASN'T ENJOYED HISTORIC
PROFITABILITY HERE IN CALIFORNIA
AND NATIONWIDE, THE INDUSTRY IS
ENJOYED TRIPLE DIGIT EXPANSIONS
AND GROWTH IN RECENT YEARS AS
FEARS DURING COVID HELPED FUEL
GUN SALES ACROSS THE STATE AND
THE COUNTRY. AT THE SAME TIME,
THE INDUSTRY IS REAPING WINDFALL
PROFITS. CALIFORNIANS ARE PAYING
THE PRICE FOR GUN VIOLENCE, BOTH
LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY. A
SINGLE HOMICIDE CAUSED TAXPAYERS
IN THE STATE $2.5 MILLION
OVERALL GUN VIOLENCE COSTS US
$22.6 BILLION DOLLARS, OF WHICH
1.2 BILLION IS PICKED UP BY
CALIFORNIA TAXPAYERS. TO HELP
ADDRESS THIS. THIS BILL WOULD
PLACE A MODEST 11% EXCISE TAX ON
THE SALE OF FIREARMS AND
AMMUNITION IN THIS STATE AND
DIRECT THOSE REVENUES, ALMOST
100 AND $12 MILLION ESTIMATED
ANNUALLY TO THE GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION, HEALING AND RECOVERY
FUND, WHICH WOULD FUND A VARIETY
OF LIFE SAVING PROGRAMS,
INCLUDING CALVIN. THIS TAX IS
REASONABLE. IT IS MODEST AND IS
IN NO WAY DESIGNED TO IMPAIR THE
SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF
CALIFORNIANS AND THEIR RIGHT TO
PURCHASE A FIREARM. WHEN WE WANT
TO PROHIBIT OR DISSUADE PEOPLE
FROM BUYING THINGS IN THE STATE.
WE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. CONSIDER
THAT THERE IS A 60% EXCISE TAX
ON CERTAIN TOBACCO PRODUCTS IN
THIS STATE, AND WE'RE TALKING
HERE ABOUT AN 11% EXCISE TAX. IN
FACT, THE 11% TAX YEARS MODELED
AFTER A FEDERAL EXCISE TAX AT
THE SAME AMOUNT, WHICH HAS BEEN
PRAISED BY THE GUN INDUSTRY,
WITH THE NATIONAL SHOOTING
SPORTS FOUNDATION, CALLING THE
FEDERAL TAX A NATIONAL AND
GLOBAL MODEL OF SUCCESSFUL
CONSERVATION FOR THE WORLD, AND
THAT'S BECAUSE THE REVENUE
GENERATED FROM THE FEDERAL
EXCISE TAX IS USED TO PROTECT
WILDLIFE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND WE
SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT THE
INDUSTRY CAN SUPPORT A MEASURE
DESIGNED TO PROTECT WILDLIFE. IT
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND
MEASURE DESIGNED TO PROTECT
HUMAN LIFE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS
BILL IS ALL ABOUT CREATING
STABLE REVENUE FOR LIFE SAVING
PROGRAMS IN OUR STATE. THE
INDUSTRY SELLS PRODUCTS THAT ARE
DIVERTED TO ILLEGAL MARKETS.
THEY ARE STOLEN. AND OTHERWISE.
USED TO COMMIT CRIMES AND THAT
CANNOT BE AVOIDED. AND WE THINK
IT IS VERY REASONABLE TO ASK THE
INDUSTRY TO DIRECT SOME OF ITS
HISTORIC PROFITS. TO REDUCING
THE ENORMOUS COSTS THAT GUNS
HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS
OF LIVES, LOST AND ECONOMIC
HARM. I'LL CLOSE BY SAYING THAT
NO OTHER INDUSTRY IS SUBJECT TO
THE SAME PROTECTIONS THAT THE
GUN INDUSTRY IS SUBJECT TO. AND
CALIFORNIA HAS A CHANCE HERE TO
ONCE AGAIN LEAD THE NATION WHEN
IT COMES TO COMMITTING TO PUBLIC
HEALTH AND PUTTING THE HEALTH OF
OUR RESIDENTS OVER PROFITS. WE
URGE YOU TO PASS THIS BILL
ADVOCATE OF COMMITTEE, WE THANK
YOU FOR YOUR TIME HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND I'LL
JUST REMIND OUR PRIMARY
WITNESSES AT THE OTHER TWO
MINUTES LIMITS. SORRY. GOOD
AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS GABRIEL
GARCIA AND THE POLICY AND
ADVOCACY DIRECTOR FOR YOUTH
ALIVE. WE ARE OAKLAND'S ANCHOR
ORGANIZATION FOR VIOLENCE,
PREVENTION, INTERVENTION AND
HEALING, AND AS A PROUD
RECIPIENT OF CALVET FUNDING.
WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO BE HERE
TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF A B 28.
LAST YEAR, HISTORIC FUNDING FROM
CALIFORNIA WENT INTO THE CALVET
GRANT PROGRAM. THAT FUNDING
ALLOWED MY COWORKERS TO ACTUALLY
MEET SOME OF THE DEMAND FOR
THEIR SERVICES. SO FOR EXAMPLE,
WE HAVE OUR INTERVENTION
SPECIALISTS WHO GO TO THE
HOSPITAL BEDSIDE OF VIOLENTLY
INJURED PATIENTS, AND LAST YEAR
WE WERE ABLE TO SUPPORT OVER 300
VICTIMS TO JUMPSTART THEIR
PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL AND MENTAL
RECOVERY. AT THE HOSPITAL.
BEDSIDE ARE VIOLENCE.
INTERRUPTERS WHO USED THEIR
CREDIBILITY WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE STREETS TO MEDIATE
CONFLICTS THAT ARE LIKELY TO
BECOME VIOLENT. MEDIATED OVER
250 CONFLICTS LAST YEAR IN
OAKLAND. CRISIS RESPONDERS WHO
WORK WITH FAMILIES WHO HAVE JUST
LOST A LOVED ONE TO GUN
VIOLENCE. REACHED OUT TO AND
WORKED WITH OVER 120 FAMILIES
LAST YEAR IN OAKLAND. THIS WORK
IS ONLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE
CALVET PROGRAM. UNFORTUNATELY
ONCE THIS CURRENT FUNDING STREAM
RUNS OUT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR
WORK IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WHAT
WE DO KNOW IS THAT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA, LOCAL AND STATE
GOVERNMENTS ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO PAY FOR GUN VIOLENCE
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. A B 28
ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAY
FOR THAT GUN VIOLENCE ON THE
FRONT END BY PREVENTING IT AND
STEMMING IT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO
PAY FOR MEDICAL FUNERAL BILLS
INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PAY FOR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE COSTS THAT COME
AFTER A SHOOTING. THIS BILL
ALLOWS US TO INVEST IN THE LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT
ARE MOST HEAVILY IMPACTED IN ARE
ALREADY PAYING THE HIGH COST OF
VIOLENCE. THAT'S WHY I'M HUMBLY
REQUESTING YOUR SUPPORT ON A B
28 TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, AND ARE THERE ANY
OTHER WITNESSES IN THE ROOM THAT
WISH TO SPEAK IN? LOT OF RED
SHIRTS THERE THAT WE WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU,
MADAM CHAIR TIM MADDEN,
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER OF AMERICAN COLLEGE,
EMERGENCY EMERGENCY PHYSICIANS
AND STRONG SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT.
GOOD AFTERNOON. REBECCA MARCUS,
REPRESENTING BRADY CAMPAIGN AND
TEAMING UP. THANK YOU. BUSIEST
WHEN THEY WERE SHY ODOR AND WE
REPRESENTING SAN FRANCISCO WHERE
PRESIDENT SUPPORT THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS
DEBORAH HAMBLETON. SURVIVOR GUN
VIOLENCE. I LIVE IN BIG POINT,
CALIFORNIA. YEAH. I LOOK
VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION. MHM YEAH. HI MY NAME IS
MARY TO PLA. I LIVE IN
SACRAMENTO AND I AM A GUN
VIOLENCE SURVIVOR AND A
VOLUNTEER. FOR MOMS DEMAND
ACTION. I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES,
ON THIS, BILL. THANK YOU. HI MY
NAME IS BECKY. RENA. I'M A
VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION AND MARIN COUNTY AND I
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. CASSANDRA
WEST ON I'M A VOLUNTEER WITH
MOMS DEMAND ACTION FROM FOLSOM
AND I ASKED FOR YES, ON A B 28.
PERIOD JAFFE BLOCK OF VOLUNTEER
WITH MOMS DEMAND ACTION MOTHER
OF TWO SMALL CHILDREN SACRAMENTO
COUNTY ASKING FOR YES VOTE. MY
NAME IS MARILYN DYKSTRA. I'M
FROM THE RANCH TOWN OF
LIVERMORE, CALIFORNIA GUN
VIOLENCE SURVIVOR. MY PARENTS
WERE HUNTERS. AND I'M A
VOLUNTEER WITH MOM. SAMANTHA
ACTION. PLEASE VOTE YES, ON A B
28. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS
SHIRLEY LEWANDOWSKI FROM THE
CITY OF DUBLIN. AND I'M A
VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION AND I HOPE PLEASE SUPPORT
A B 28. HI MY NAME IS SABRINA
ALPHIN. I'M FROM SAN FRANCISCO.
I'M A VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION, AND I URGE YOU YES. VOTE
ON A B 28. THANK YOU. YEAH. HI
GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M DIANA HONIG
. I'M A RESIDENT OF A RENDA AND
A VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION AND RESPECTFULLY
REQUESTING YOUR YES. VOTE ON A B
28. THANK YOU. I AM YARD AT ALL.
I LIVE IN SACRAMENTO AND HAVE
FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE HUNTERS.
AND, UM, VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS
DEMAND ACTION. AND I URGE YOUR
SUPPORT ON A B 28. HELLO MY NAME
IS KIMBERLY. MAN FREDDIE. I LIVE
IN ROSEVILLE. I'M A VOLUNTEER
WITH MOMS DEMAND ACTION. AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR YES.
VOTE ON A B 28. HI I'M RACHEL
BIGGS. I'M FROM FALSE. UM, I AM
A GUN OWNER, AND I THINK AN
OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A
POUND OF CURE. EVERYBODY NEEDS
TO DO THEIR PART. UM, AND I
THINK THIS BILL IS THE WAY TO
GET THAT DONE. THANK YOU. HI
GOOD AFTERNOON FACE STADIUM FROM
NAPA AND VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS
DEMAND ACTION. I HEARD YOUR
SUPPORT ANYBODY 28. THANK YOU.
HI I'M JULIE CHAPMAN FROM ERIC'S
CALIFORNIA AND I ENCOURAGE YOUR
VOTE ON A B 28. I'M A VOLUNTEER
WITH MOMS DEMAND ACTION. HELLO
I'M ROBIN REDMOND. I AM FROM
ALAMEDA. AND I AM A GUN VIOLENCE
SURVIVOR AND VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS
DEMAND ACTION AND REQUEST YOUR
YES. VOTE ON A B 28. HELLO MY
NAME IS RON TEBO. I'M A FIRST
YEAR AT U. C. DAVIS AND I'M A
STUDENT DEMAND ACTION FOR GUN
SENSE IN AMERICA VOLUNTEER AND I
STRONGLY URGE YOUR YES. VOTE ON
A B 28. I'M LINDA WHEATON FROM
CARMICHAEL. VOLUNTEER FOR MOMS
DEMAND ACTION AND WE NEED A B
28. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS
KIMBERLY RADLER AND I LIVE IN
SAN RAFAEL AND I AM A SURVIVOR
OF GUN VIOLENCE. MY HUSBAND HAS
A GUN, WHICH HE STORES
APPROPRIATELY, ETCETERA. AND I
AM UM UH, VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS
DEMAND ACTION FOR GUN SENSE IN
AMERICA. AND I ASK YOU. TO
PLEASE VOTE YES, FOR VOTE FOR
HIM. SORRY, BILL A B 28 SP TWO
BILL NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU. HI.
MY NAME IS KIMBERLY JACOBS. I
LIVE IN NAPA. I AM A GUN OWNER
AND MOMS DEMAND ACTION FOR GUN
SENSE IN AMERICA VOLUNTEER AND I
ASKED FOR YOUR YES. VOTE ON A B
28. I'M JULIE LANNER. I AM A
VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION. I'M FROM PETALUMA, AND I
AM ALSO VOLUNTEER. LIKE I SAID,
I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE ON A B 28.
HI I'M JENNIFER GARFINKEL FROM
SAN FRANCISCO. I'M A VOLUNTEER
WITH MOMS DEMAND ACTION, AND I
ASKED FOR YOUR YES. VOTE ON A B
28. HI MY NAME IS MARTINA MURPHY
FROM SAN FRANCISCO. I GREW UP IN
A HOUSEHOLD WITH MY BROTHERS AND
MY DAD WERE HUNTERS. VOLUNTEER
AT MOMS DEMAND ACTION. AND I
IMPLORE YOU TO VOTE YES. FOR S B
28. THANK YOU. HI I'M MARIE
WATERS FROM MARIN COUNTY
VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION, SURVIVOR OF GUN VIOLENCE
AND MY DAD. SO LONG TERM HUNTER.
SO I ASKED FOR 1 28. HI MY NAME
IS JANET AND I RECEIVED FROM
STAN ANSELMO, CALIFORNIA, OF
COURSE, UM I AM A VOLUNTEER WITH
MOMS DEMAND ACTION AND I URGE
YOU TO VOTE YOUR SON A B 28.
THANK YOU. HI I'M AMY SYRUPY IN
I'M A VOLUNTEER FOR MOMS DEMAND
ACTION AND YELLOW COUNTY AND I
URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR A B 28.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS
JACOB. MARTA I'M RECENT GRAD.
FROM DOWN IN STOCKTON'S MOMS AND
STUDENTS DEMAND ACTION VOLUNTEER
AND I ASKED FOR YOU. YES. VOTE
ON A B 28. MY NAME IS DANIEL
HARD. I LIVE IN FOLSOM AND I AM
A MOMS DEMAND ACTION FOR GUN
SENSE VOLUNTEER AND ASKED FOR
YES. VOTE ON A B 28. MY NAME IS
KATHERINE. NO MORE TO LIVE IN
FOLSOM AND MY MOMS, MAN ACTION
VOLUNTEER, AND I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR YES. VOTE ON A B
28. HI MY NAME IS TAMMY SHINE
FROM FOLSOM AND THIS IS WAY OUT
OF MY COMFORT ZONE. UM, I'M A
MOMS DEMAND ACTION VOLUNTEER. UM
I GREW UP IN A FAMILY OF HUNTERS
HAVE BEEN AROUND GUNS. I'VE SHOT
A GUN. UM MY DAD'S A SURVIVOR OF
GUN VIOLENCE. AND ASK FOR YOUR
YES. BOAT AND A B 28. THANK YOU
FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR US.
HELLO. MY NAME IS WILLIAM DAVIS
AND I LIVE IN FALLSTON,
CALIFORNIA. UM MY HERE
SUPPORTING MY WIFE, WHO WAS A
VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS DEMAND
ACTION, SO SHE MANAGED TO GET ME
TO WEAR THIS SHIRT. SO ANYHOW,
WE HAVE THREE GROWN CHILDREN AND
WE HAVE FIVE GRANDKIDS FOR THOSE
GRANDKIDS GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS
HERE IN CALIFORNIA. SO WE ALL
KNOW THE CONCERNS ABOUT UH, UM,
SHOOTINGS THAT HAPPEN IN PUBLIC
SCHOOLS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT I WORRY ABOUT ON A ALMOST A
DAILY BASIS. SO ANYHOW, ASK FOR
YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL. I
THINK IT'S UH AT LEAST WE CAN DO
SO THANKS. I'M CHERYL DAVIS.
THERE GOES MY BETTER HALF, UM
AND I AM A VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS
DEMAND ACTION. I LIVE IN FOLSOM
AND I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON A
B 28. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS LIZ
RUSSELL. I AM IN NAPA,
CALIFORNIA. I'M A VOLUNTEER WITH
MOMS DEMAND ACTION. I AM ALSO A
GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVOR, THESE TWO
BEAUTIFUL TO A NINE YEAR OLDS
WERE ALMOST DEPRIVED OF THEIR
MOTHER ON MARCH 9TH 2018. I AM
DELIGHTED THAT I AM ACTUALLY
HERE AND SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY,
AND I JUST WANT YOU TO REMEMBER
THAT WHEN YOU CONSIDER YOUR VOTE
LATER AND I'M HOPING FOR AN I
VOTE ON A B 28. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. EXCUSE ME. MY NAME IS
CLAMMY FIELDS. I'M A MENTOR AND
A SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA. AND,
UH, WE GOT OUR HANDS FULL TRYING
TO STOP THIS GUN VIOLENCE. SO A
BOAT. YOUR SUPPORT WITH SO MUCH.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY
NAME IS VOLTAIRE KNOCKS. I'M
WITH COMMUNITY BASED
ORGANIZATION CALLED MOVEMENT FOR
LIFE. AND I ASKED FOR YOU GUYS.
YOU BEAUTIFUL MEN AND WOMEN HERE
TO, UM VOTE YES, ON A B 28. I AM
TANYA GRUBER. I'M FROM CAMERON
PARK. AND I VOLUNTEERED WITH
MOMS DEMAND ACTION. AND I URGE
YOU TO VOTE YES ON THIS BILL.
GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M CARL.
GOODBYE LIVE IN CAMERON PARK.
I'M A MOMS DEMAND ACTION
SUPPORTER OF MY FAVORITE
VOLUNTEER WHO YOU JUST HEARD
FROM. AND RETIRED EDUCATOR WITH
40 YEARS IN K 12 AND COLLEGE
CLASSROOMS. UM THE NEXUS OF THIS
ISSUE IN MANY WAYS, AND SO I
HEARD YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS
PIECE OF LEGISLATION. THANK YOU.
HI THIS IS SORRY. AKANE WITH
FAMILY VIOLENCE LAWCENTER OF
SERVING THE ALAMEDA COUNTY
URGING YOU TO VOTE YES. ALEX
NAVARRO FROM CONCORD. I'M A MOM.
SAMAN ACTION, VOLUNTEER AND
ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. HELLO MY NAME IS
CASSANDRA JAMES. I LIVE IN
VALLEJO. I AM A MOMS DEMAND
ACTION VOLUNTEER, AND I'M URGING
YOU TO SUPPORT THIS BILL. HELLO
EVERYBODY STARTED OFF A LITTLE
DIFFERENT. I'M AN EX GANG MEMBER
AND EX LIFER. AND I'M ALSO THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. OF DUFF,
WHICH IS DEVELOPING ORGANIZING
VISIONS FOR EVERYONE. WE'RE
VALLEJO SANOMA COUNTY COMMUNITY
PARTNER WITH MOMS DEMAND ACTION.
AND OUR CHILDREN ARE DYING, AND
WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SIX. A YES OR
28. HI MY NAME IS MARY ROZELLE
AND I LIVE IN MENLO PARK. UM I'M
A MOMS DEMAND ACTION VOLUNTEER
AND A GUN VIOLENCE. SURVIVOR AND
I ASKED YOU TO VOTE YES. FOR SP
28. HI MARY LOU ROSSETTO FROM
DAVIS. UM, A VOLUNTEER WITH MOMS
DEMAND ACTION, FORMER POLICE
OFFICER AND GUN OWNER. AH! MY
NAME IS SAVAN. GRIGGS I'M ALSO
NEXT LIFE DID 32 YEARS I'VE BEEN
A PERPETRATOR OF VIOLENCE. I'VE
BEEN A VICTIM OF GUN VIOLENCE.
TO BE A LIABILITY TO MY
COMMUNITY, NOT TO BE AN ASSET.
OUR COMMUNITIES NEED THIS. WE
NEED FUNDING, SO TO TRY TO HEAL
OUR COMMUNITIES. IS GONNA TAKE A
WHILE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT
WE NEED JUST BUILD INTO JAIL,
MOVING FOR LIFE AND SUPPORTIVE.
MOMS DEMAND ACTION. THANK YOU.
ALEXIS RODRIGUEZ WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
AND SUPPORT. DANNY OFFERED WAS
EVERY TOWN FOR GUN SAFETY AND
STRONG SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
THANK YOU. RIGHT. DO WE HAVE
ANY? UM THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING
TODAY. DO WE HAVE ANY WITNESSES
WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION?
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE FOR THE RECORD, DAN
REED, WESTERN REGIONAL DIRECTOR
OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE
ASSOCIATION, ALSO HERE FOR
SPORTSMAN'S ALLIANCE AND
NATIONAL SHOOTING SPORTS
FOUNDATION TODAY. IN STRONG
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL, UM, GUN
OWNERS ARE ALREADY SADDLED WITH
THE NUMBER OF FEES AND TAXES
FROM THE 11% EXCISE TAX FROM
PITTMAN ROBERTSON. THEN YOU
HEARD ABOUT EARLIER TO THE
$31.19 EUROS. VÆ. DOLLARS SAFETY
ACT V. A $5 ENFORCEMENT FEE $25
FIREARM SAFETY CERTIFICATE FEE
AND THEN ALSO THE AMMO
BACKGROUND CHECKS, WHICH RANGE
FROM 1 TO $19. ALONG WITH STATE
AND LOCAL TAXES. THEY ARE PAYING
A LOT INTO THIS, AND A LOT OF
THESE FEES GO TO FUND A NUMBER
OF DOJ PROGRAMS, INCLUDING APPS
AND OTHER ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS
THAT DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE USES
RIGHT NOW. UM THESE ARE THESE.
THIS TAX IS PUNITIVE IN NATURE,
AND IT WILL PUT ADDITIONAL COSTS
AND BURDENS ON LAW ABIDING
PEOPLE AND MATTERS OF PUBLIC
SAFETY SHOULD BE SHOULD BE BORN
BY THE PUBLIC AS A WHOLE, RIGHT
AND WE'RE NOT DEBATING THE
VALIDITY OF THE CALIPHATE
PROGRAM. WE JUST THINK THAT MY
UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THAT
HAS BEEN FULLY FUNDED, AND THAT
IS A PROGRAM THAT FOR ALL THE
GOOD THAT IT DOES, IT SHOULD BE
FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND
AND BORN BY THE PUBLIC AS A
WHOLE. UM WE FEEL THAT THIS THIS
LAKSA HISTORICAL NEXUS, AND IF
YOU LOOK AT THE SUPREME COURT
DECISION THAT IT'S GOING TO
SUFFER A LEGAL CHALLENGE AND
WILL WILL PROBABLY FAIL UNDER
THE STANDARD THAT'S OUTLINED BY
THE SUPREME COURT. ALSO IT'S NOT
GOING TO BE PAID BY THOSE THAT
ARE PERPETUATING VIOLENCE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES. THEY'RE NOT GOING
THROUGH LAWFUL CHANNELS TO
ACQUIRE FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION.
WE HEARD ABOUT IT TO TAX ON THE
INDUSTRY, BUT UNDOUBTEDLY THIS
WILL BE PASSED ALONG TO THE
CONSUMERS AND IT WILL
DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACT THOSE
THAT ARE GOING SUCH AS
COMPETITIVE SHOOTERS, COLLECTORS
, ETCETERA WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE
TO PAY MORE BECAUSE THEY'RE
EXERCISING THIS RIGHT? UM
THERE'S A LOT MORE, BUT I'LL
PASS IT ALONG IN RESPECT TO THE
TWO MINUTES AND THAT WE'RE NOT
ACTUALLY SINCE WE GAVE THE OTHER
WITNESS THREE MINUTES IF YOU
HAVE ANOTHER HAVE YOU EVER HEARD
SAM TALK? HE'LL GO. READY SET.
SO MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS, SAN
PEREZ. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. I
REPRESENT GUN OWNERS OF
CALIFORNIA AUTHORIZED TO ALSO
REPRESENT THE CALIFORNIA RIFLE
AND PISTOL ASSOCIATION. UM THE
NATURE OF THIS LAW. IN
APPEARANCE AND IN FACT REALLY
PUTS THE BLAME ON LAW ABIDING
PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT
BREAKING THE LAWS TO FUND THE
ACTIONS OF CRIMINALS. WE KEEP
HEARING THE TERM GUN VIOLENCE.
IT ISN'T GUN VIOLENCE. IT'S
CRIMINAL VIOLENCE BECAUSE NO GUN
BY ITSELF IS GOING TO SHOOT
ANYBODY OR COMMIT A CRIME. IT
TAKES A PERSON. AND THIS
LEGISLATURE, FOR WHATEVER REASON
HAS HAS SEEN FIT TO DEAL WITH
THE PEOPLE WHO COMMIT THESE
CRIMES IN ITS OWN WAY, BUT TO
CONTINUE TO PUT ITS EMPHASIS ON
THE GUN. GUARANTEES THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE THE
RESULTS. OF THE MISUSE OF THE
GUN. THIS LAW REQUIRES. AN
EXCISE TAX BEFORE SOMEBODY CAN
EXERCISE A CONSTITUTIONALLY
DEFINED RIGHT. THAT IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL. YOU CAN'T TAX
A REPORTER FOR REPORTING. WE
CAN'T TAX LEGISLATORS FOR
LEGISLATING BECAUSE THE
CONSTITUTION GIVES YOU THAT
RESPONSIBILITY AND GIVES YOU
THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT YOU
CANNOT TAX A PREACHER FOR
PREACHING. YOU CANNOT ATTACK
SOMEBODY ON THE SOAPBOX FOR
SPEAKING USING THEIR FIRST
AMENDMENT RIGHTS. YOU CANNOT TAX
SOMEBODY. FOR EXERCISING THEIR
SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. NOW, AS
IT WAS POINTED OUT TODAY, THERE
ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF TAXES AND
EXCISE TAXES AND FEES. THE NET
EFFECT OF THIS BILL. GRANTED.
THEY ARE. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN
CHALLENGED. BUT NOW THEY WILL BE
AND GIVEN THE DIRECTIVES AND THE
DIRECTION OF THE SUPREME COURT
IN AH, HELLO VERSUS WASHINGTON,
D C. MCDONALD VERSUS CHICAGO,
KITANO VERSUS MASSACHUSETTS AND
NOW NEW YORK STATE RIFLE AND
PISTOL ASSOCIATION VERSUS BRUIN.
THIS LAW. WILL BE DECLARED
UNCONSTITUTIONAL. YOU KNOW, I
WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IN THIS
LEGISLATURE SINCE 1980. TRYING
TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE SECOND
AMENDMENT AND TRYING TO TALK
ABOUT CRIME CONTROL INSTEAD OF
GUN CONTROL, BECAUSE THIS IS A
STATE THAT HAS MORE GUN CONTROL
THAN ANY STATE IN THE UNION. WE
ALSO HAVE THE DUBIOUS HONOR OF
HAVING THE MOST MASS SHOOTINGS
OF ANY OTHER STATE IN THE UNION.
WITH ALL THE GUN CONTROL LAWS WE
HAVE SO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE
DOING IS NOT HELPING AND TAXING
LAWFUL GUN OWNERS TO PAY FOR THE
EFFECTS THAT ARE CREATED BY
CRIMINAL ACTS WITH GUNS. IS
WHOLLY UNFAIR AND WILL BE HELD
ON CONSTITUTIONAL AND IF ANYBODY
WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK
ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS
THE ISSUE OF CRIMINAL MISUSE OF
FIREARMS, THAT WOULD BE A
BEAUTIFUL THING. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH BEFORE WE GO
TO OUR THERE ANY OTHER WITNESSES
IN OPPOSITION? SORRY ABOUT THAT
. THANK YOU. GREG TURNER ON
BEHALF OF THE NINE CHAPTERS OR
SAFARI CLUB INTERNATIONAL, UM,
BASED ON THE STATEMENTS THAT
WERE MADE IN THE JEOPARDY,
JEOPARDIZING CONSERVATION
FUNDING. MAN I'M SURE MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS BILL
GAINS TODAY REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER OF THE WILD
SHEEP FOUNDATION. ROCKY MOUNTAIN
ELK FOUNDATION, CALIFORNIA DEAR
ASSOCIATION, CALIFORNIA
HAUSSMANN FOR CONSERVATION. THE
CALIFORNIA BOWMAN HUNTER STATE
ARCHERY ASSOCIATION AND 12 OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH REPRESENT
LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS AND
SHOOTERS AND STRONG OPPOSITION
TO A B 28. THANK YOU. MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS, RANDY PERRY WITH
AARON REGENT ASSOCIATES ON
BEHALF OF POOR ACT AND WEARING
AN OPPOSITION TO THE BOAT. THANK
YOU. UH, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GABRIEL BEFORE WE START WITH
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE.
COULD YOU JUST ADDRESS THE
CONSTITUTIONALITY ISSUE AS
LAWYER SITTING UP THERE? YEAH I
THINK WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE
THAT WE'RE ON FIRM
CONSTITUTIONAL GROUND HERE, AS
WAS NOTED THERE HAS BEEN A
FEDERAL EXCISE TAX ON GUNS AND
AMMUNITION SINCE 19 12-1 THAT
THE INDUSTRY HAS HELD UP, ONE
THAT HAS NEVER BEEN STRUCK DOWN
BY THE COURTS. THIS IS NOT, UM,
AND ONE OF THE REASONS ACTUALLY,
THAT WE PROPOSE THAT THIS IS NOT
ABOUT TAKING AWAY PEOPLE'S GUNS,
RIGHT? THIS IS ABOUT PUTTING A
MODEST TAX ON THAT WE TAX ALL
KINDS OF THINGS THAT EXCISE
TAXES ON ALL KINDS OF
CONSTITUTION PROTECTED
ACTIVITIES, SO I THINK WE ARE
SQUARELY ON FIRM CONSTITUTIONAL
FOOTING HERE. UH QUESTIONS OF
THE COMMITTEE, STARTING WITH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAYSON. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND THANK YOU
TO THE AUTHOR FOR YOUR WORK ON
THIS AND WHAT YOU'RE WORKING TO
ACCOMPLISH. I ALSO WANT TO
RECOGNIZE MOMS, DEMAND ACTION
AND THE GREAT SUPPORT THAT THEY
ARE DOING AND THE WORK THAT THEY
DO IN THE COMMUNITY. I LOOK AT
THE BILL AND I, UH, ANY TAX I
DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY,
ESPECIALLY SITTING ON THIS
COMMITTEE. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT
THE PUBLIC, I, UM I HAVE SEEN
MULTIPLE TIMES FOR THE PUBLIC
STEPS UP. AND IS WILLING TO
ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT
MAYBE THEY WANT THE CAUSE OF
HOWEVER, THEY STEP UP BECAUSE OF
THE WELL BEING OF THE WHOLE IN
THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE
COMMUNITY AND I DO BELIEVE THAT
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE PUBLIC
STEPS UP AND PULLS OUT OF THEIR
POCKET THE REVENUE THAT IT TAKES
TO MEET THE NEED AND THERE IS A
NEED BECAUSE OF GUN VIOLENCE
AMONGST US. SO WITH THAT BEING
SAID. I THINK WHAT HELPS THE
PUBLIC BE ENCOURAGED TO STEP UP
IS WHEN THEY DON'T SPECIFICALLY
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH
WHAT THAT REVENUE IS GOING TO GO
TO AND ACTUALLY SEE THE ACTION
OF IT BEING DONE WHEN I LOOKED
AT YOUR BILL, I NOTICED IN THE
PART WHERE YOU START TO ADDRESS
THE ALLOCATION OF THE MONEY ON
AN ANNUAL BASIS. I NOTICED THAT
CALVIN IS LISTED NUMBER ONE AND
RIGHTLY. SO. WHAT A GREAT
PROGRAM WITH GRANTS, HELPING ALL
OF OUR COMMUNITIES NUMBER TWO. I
NOTICED THAT YOU YOU LIST OUT,
UM, A AN ALLOCATION TO U. C.
DAVIS FOR A STUDY AND YET THE
BILL CALLS FOR IT TO BE DONE
ANNUALLY. DID YOU MEAN FOR THAT
ANNUAL? DID YOU MEAN FOR THAT?
ALLOCATION TO BE ANNUAL TO
UNIVERSITY FOR A STUDY. YEAH I
THINK YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS OFFLINE
AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
I THINK WE ARE VERY MUCH OPEN TO
CHANGING THE WAY THE ALLOCATION.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY CALVET, BUT WE
WOULD WANT TO STAY FIRST, BUT I
THINK WHAT YOU AND I HAVE TALKED
ABOUT ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE
MOST IMPORTANT HERE ARE STOPPING
THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE AND
COMMUNITIES PROTECTING KIDS AT
SCHOOL, HELPING OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO ADDRESS GUN
CRIMES. AND SO I'M HAPPY TO
CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT MAKING
CHANGES AND COMMIT TO MAKING
SOME OF THOSE I WANT TO JUST SO
I CAN I WANT TO BE ABLE TO
SUPPORT THIS. WHEN IT GETS TO
THE FLOOR. YEAH AND SO IN ORDER
TO DO THAT I'M WORKING ON A
PROGRAM IN THE DISTRICT. WHERE
IT WOULD MAKE SCHOOL CAMPUSES
SAFER WITH THE SCHOOL ASSESSMENT
. AH A SAFETY ASSESSMENT DONE. I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE THAT
ADDRESSED THAT'S JUST TEMPORARY
. BUT THEN THE OTHER THING IS
WORKING WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. I
THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT
IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS GUN
VIOLENCE THAT WE DO EVERYTHING
IN OUR POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE WORKING WITH SAFETY AND
GET IT TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN
GARNER THE SUPPORT OF PUBLIC
SAFETY. SO WHATEVER THAT TAKES
TO SEE THAT KIND OF FRUITION
WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR
COMMITMENT ON THAT AS WELL.
ABSOLUTELY AND I APPRECIATE AS
ALWAYS, YOUR YOUR THOUGHTFUL AND
WISE GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK ON
THIS. WE ARE VERY MUCH I THINK
GOING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO
THE TO THE ALLOCATION AND THAT
WATERFALL ALONG THE CHANGES THAT
YOU SUGGESTED, UM AND ON THE
PUBLIC SAFETY POINT 100% I MEAN
, AS YOU KNOW, AS WE DISCUSSED
LAW ENFORCEMENT'S CURRENTLY
EXEMPT FROM THE BILL, UM IT'S
SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED THAT
THEY'RE EXEMPT BOTH INDIVIDUAL
PEACE OFFICERS AND LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, BUT WE ARE
HOPING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM THAT WE
HAVEN'T HAD NOT ONLY TO, YOU
KNOW, REMOVE ANY HEARTACHE THAT
THEY MIGHT HAVE, BUT ACTUALLY TO
GET THEM IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL,
AND I KNOW THAT MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE AS THEY HAVE SPOKEN
WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES, MANY OF THEM HAVE
HEARD GLOWING REVIEWS FROM LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THE WORK
THAT THIS PROGRAM DOES. SO YOU
HAVE MY ABSOLUTE COMMITMENT TO
HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND TO
DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO
ACCOMMODATE THEIR CONCERNS AND
ITS IN ITS CURRENT, UH, IN ITS
CURRENT STATE THEY'RE EXEMPT
WITH WITH RESTRICTION. JUST LOOK
AT THAT. AND AGAIN. I REALLY
APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE WORKING
TOWARD, AND WE NEED SAFE
NEIGHBORHOODS, SAFE PARKS, SAFE
CITIES, SAFE SCHOOL CAMPUSES.
THANK YOU TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING
TO ACCOMPLISH. AND THANK YOU TO
ALL THE SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
SIMPLY MEMBER BEINGS. AYE. DR.
HIGHEST HOMICIDE. VIOLENCE IN
THE STATE. GUN VIOLENCE. WELL
DONE. THE PM HAS HELPED. ISN'T
SOMETHING PART. ACTUALLY. WITH
GOD. WE'RE NOT WITH ME. TAX
REVENUE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU.
AND THE QUESTION, AND, YOU KNOW
, WE'VE HAD ROBUST CONVERSATION
ON, YOU KNOW. WORKING THIS OUT.
I BELIEVE IN THE WORK THAT CAL
HAS DONE. I BELIEVE IN THE WORK
THAT IT IS DOING, BUT
SPECIFICALLY TO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
. GRAYSON'S COMMENTS IS
SOMETIMES WHEN THERE'S TAXES.
AREAS THAT NEED THAT THE MOST
GET LEFT OUT. CURRENT COUNTY.
COMMUNITIES AROUND THAT SUFFERS
SOME OF THE HIGHEST HOMICIDE
SOME OF THE HIGHEST GUN
VIOLENCE. I'VE BEEN THERE. I'VE
HAD GUNS POINTED AT MY FACE. I'M
AN ADDICTION, DOC. I WORK IN A
VERY, VERY ROUGH AREAS,
SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES ALONE. IT
IS NOT A PRETTY PLACE WHERE I
PRACTICE MEDICINE. I NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT AREAS THAT HAVE
SOME OF THE HIGHEST HOMICIDE PER
CAPITA ARE GOING TO BE
HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS GRANT
PROGRAM. I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE
LANGUAGE. I KNOW WE'VE HAD
CONVERSATIONS. LET'S KEEP THAT
CONVERSATION GOING. BUT AS A
MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE
ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO DO
SOMETHING LIKE TAX. GUNS AND
AMMO. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE USING THAT MONEY IN AND
AWAY WHERE WE ARE. IT'S GOING
DIRECTLY TO AREAS WITH SOME OF
THE HIGHEST. I AM SICK AND TIRED
OF PEOPLE DYING. I AM SICK AND
TIRED AS A DOCTOR WORKING IN
CURRENT COUNTY OF PEOPLE DYING.
WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. BUT WE
ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THERE'S CORRECT LANGUAGE IN THIS
THAT WE'RE GETTING TO THE ROOT
OF THE PROBLEM AND ADDRESSING
COMMUNITIES LIKE MINE. LIKE
ACROSS THE STATE. AREAS LIKE
WASCO OFFICER CAMPUS WAS SHOT,
HIGHEST HOMICIDE ACTIVITY AND
CURRENT EVERYBODY SHOWED UP.
EVERYBODY SHOWED UP TO MEMORIAL
MEMORIALIZED OFFICER CAMPUS, BUT
NOBODY THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT
THAT HE WAS SHOT AND KILLED IN
WASCO. WHICH IS DIRECTLY IN MY
DISTRICT, SOME OF THE HIGHEST
HOMICIDE ACTIVITY. I AM SICK AND
TIRED OF PEOPLE DYING AND I WANT
TO SEE SOMETHING IN THIS AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU
TO SEE THAT THE MONEY IS GOING
TO GO TO AREAS WHERE NEEDED
WHERE IT'S NEEDED. MOST. THANK
YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S VALENCIA.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UH ONE
OF THE ALSO ECHO SOME OF THE
SAME REMARKS MADE BY OUR
COLLEAGUES, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
GRACE AND THEN ALSO REMEMBER DR
JASMINE BAINES, UM MAYBE GOING
INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL
REGARDING THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS
AND THE MEASURES IN PLACE TO, UH
, EVALUATE THE SUCCESSES OF
CALVET. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO
ME. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT?
AND THEN I WANT TO CLEAR UP ONE
THING. YEAH I WOULD BE HAPPY TO
CALVIN'S SUPPORTS VIOLENCE
REDUCTION WORK IN A NUMBER OF
CITIES ACROSS CALIFORNIA AND
INCLUDING THOSE THERE'S LANGUAGE
IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE FUNDING IS
GOING TO THE HIGHEST IMPACTED
CITIES, SO THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 50
OR SO CITIES THAT QUALIFY FOR
FUNDING AND COMMUNITY BASED
ORGANIZATIONS DOING WORK IN THE
CITIES. BAKERSFIELD IS ACTUALLY
ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. I THINK
OF THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE SEEN
A 50% REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF
GANG RELATED SHOOTINGS THAT ARE
TAKING PLACE THROUGH
PARTNERSHIPS WITH GARDEN
PATHWAYS AND BAKERSFIELD POLICE
DEPARTMENT. UM THERE HAS NOT
BEEN A FORMAL EVALUATION. THERE
IS ONE BEING CONDUCTED RIGHT
NOW. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING
ABLE TO SHOW THAT TO ALL OF YOU,
BUT THE GROUP THE NUMBERS WE'RE
HEARING FROM THE GROUP'S DOING
THE WORK ON THE GROUND ARE VERY
ENCOURAGING. THERE'S A NUMBER OF
OTHER STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN
DONE IN COMMUNITIES LIKE
SACRAMENTO. STOCKTON RICHMOND,
OAKLAND THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO
SHARE WITH YOU THAT ALL SHOW
DOUBLE DIGIT REDUCTIONS IN
HOMICIDE AND SHOOTING RIGHT. SO
WE ARE VERY, VERY CONFIDENT THAT
CALVIN IS GETTING MONEY TO THE
GROUPS THAT ARE DOING THE WORK
ON THE GROUND, ESPECIALLY YOU
HEARD FROM MANY COMMUNITY BASED
PARTNERS THAT ARE WORKING WITH
THOSE AT HIGHEST RISK, AND THAT
IS WHAT CALVIN IS DESIGNED TO
DO, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND ANY
OF THOSE EVALUATIONS TO YOU, BUT
IT'S A VERY COMPELLING MOUNTAIN.
I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT OF
EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT THIS WORKS
THANK YOU. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL
. AT LEAST IN MY INSTANCE IF I
DO ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO
SUPPORT IT WHEN THIS BILL IF AND
WHEN THIS BILL GETS TO THE
FLOOR, UH, TAXES AS A TOPIC I DO
NOT TAKE LIGHTLY CONSIDERING THE
COMMUNITY THAT I REPRESENT AS
WELL. IT IS OF SIGNIFICANT
IMPACT. UM IN ADDITION TO THE
REMARKS MADE BY US SIMPLE NUMBER
OF GRACE AND REGARDING PEACE
OFFICERS AND PUBLIC SAFETY, I
APPRECIATE THE OPEN DIALOG THAT
YOU'VE ALL HAD WITH PUBLIC
SAFETY. UM AND IT SOUNDS LIKE
THEY'RE BEING EXCLUDED, BUT I
WANT TO ENSURE THAT MOVING
FORWARD WHEN IT COMES TO PEACE
OFFICERS WHO ALTHOUGH THEY DO
CLOCK OUT UM, THEY ARE PEACE
OFFICERS 24 HOURS A DAY, RIGHT
AND THEY ARE ABLE TO KILL
FIREARMS. AND THERE ARE INSTANCE
AFTER INSTANCE, THAT SHOW THAT
THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE READY TO
SPRING INTO ACTION. EVEN IF THEY
ARE NOT ON THE CLOCK, AND I
DON'T THINK IT IS OF VALUE AND
FAIR, QUITE FRANKLY, TO HAVE TO
TAX INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALWAYS
DOING A PUBLIC SERVICE, SO I
WANT TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS
INCLUDED IN THIS LANGUAGE MOVING
FORWARD AS WELL TO ENSURE THAT
THAT THAT'S ALL HASHED OUT
BEFORE. GETS TO THE FLOOR. I
ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS A REMARK
MADE I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN IT
COMES TO, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL
HAVING TO COMMIT THE CRIME,
HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS
SPECIFIC, BILL, I THINK THE
FOCUS AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF
I'M WRONG WITH SOMEONE, UH,
GABRIEL IS TO EDUCATE FOLKS
BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT,
RIGHT? SO IF THE EDUCATION
COMPONENT AND THE RESOURCES OF
THEIR TO EDUCATE SOMEBODY THAN
THE HOPE IS THAT THAT NEVER
CRIME NEVER ACTUALLY TAKES
PLACE, SO BECAUSE OF THOSE
REASONS ARE I WILL BE SUPPORTING
THE BILL IN THIS COMMITTEE, AND
I HOPE TO HEAR THE CONTINUED
DIALOGUE WITH PUBLIC SAFETY IN
THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. CAN I
MAY I RESPOND? YES. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S THINK THOSE ARE
BOTH EXCELLENT POINTS. I WOULD
JUST CONFESS BECAUSE OF THE RUSH
OF EVERYTHING. WE HAVE ACTUALLY
NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT
DOWN WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. BUT
WE ARE VERY EAGER TO HAVE THOSE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO WORK
THROUGH THEIR CONCERNS TO
UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY WHAT WE
MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO ADDRESS
THEM, BUT REALLY, TO GET THEM IN
SUPPORT, AND WE'VE HAD VERY
POSITIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH
OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AROUND THE
STATE. AS I THINK WE DISCUSSED
SOME OF THE BILL IN HERE
ACTUALLY GOES. FOR TO SUPPORT
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SUPPORT
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO HELP
WITH THINGS LIKE GUN HOMICIDE
AND GUN CRIMES THAT WE ARE YOU
HAVE MY FIRM FIRM COMMITMENT
THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND WORK
ON THOSE ISSUES. I THINK THEY'RE
IMPORTANT ONES THAT NEED TO BE
ADDRESSED AND WE LOOK WE LOOK
FORWARD TO THAT. THE OTHER
POINT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
IT'S CREDIBLE BODY. THIS IS AN
EXCISE TAX THAT IS PAID THAT IS
PLACED ON MANUFACTURERS AND
DEALERS. SO WE THE MANUFACTURERS
HAVE REALLY HAVE REAPED WINDFALL
PROFITS IN RECENT YEARS. THEIR
PROFITS ARE ABSOLUTELY THROUGH
THE ROOF. AND SO THIS IS NOT A
TAX THAT IS GOING TO BE PAID BY
ANY INDIVIDUAL THAT WALKS INTO A
STORE TO PURCHASE A FARM IS IT
IS, IT WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE
MANUFACTURER AND THE DEALER OR
THE AMMUNITION VENDOR IN THAT
CASE, AND SO IS WILL SOME OF
THAT COST POTENTIALLY BE PASSED
DOWN TO CONSUMERS? YES, THAT IS
OBVIOUSLY A POSITIVE ABILITY IN
CERTAIN CASES, BUT THE IDEA HERE
IS TO MOVE THE TAX UPSTREAM TO
THE MANUFACTURERS. AND I JUST
SAY WITH WITH, WITH ALL DUE
RESPECT THE GUNS THAT ARE BEING
USED IN IN ILLEGALLY THOSE ARE
MADE BY MANUFACTURERS. SO THEY
THEY? I THINK IT'S VERY FAIR TO
PUT THE TAX ON THEM. I THINK
IT'S VERY FAIR TO PUT THE TAX ON
THEM. AND IT'S NOTICING YOUR GUN
VIOLENCE IS COSTING THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA $22.6 BILLION
ANNUALLY. WE'RE ASKING FOR A
VERY, VERY, VERY MODEST AMOUNT
TO TRY TO BRING THAT NUMBER
DOWN. SAVE TAXPAYER RESOURCES,
SAVE LIVES AND HELP KIDS PROTECT
KIDS AND FAMILIES IN THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA. ALRIGHT ASSEMBLY
ARE DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER? OKAY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PACHECO, THANK
YOU. AND THANK YOU TO THE AUTHOR
, UH, FOR MAKING THIS AREA
PRIORITIES. IT'S UNFORTUNATE
THAT WE'RE SEEING SO MUCH GUN
VIOLENCE. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT
WE ARE DEALING WITH THE
SITUATION WHERE OUR CHILDREN ARE
NOW HAVING DRILLS AS TO WHAT TO
DO IN AN ACTIVE SHOOTER
SITUATION. AND SO I WANNA THANK
MOMS DEMAND ACTION FOR BEING
HERE FOR BEING SUCH STRONG
ADVOCATES IN THIS AREA, BUT I'M
ALSO VERY MINDFUL OF TAXES,
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THIS
IS A TAX ON MANUFACTURERS, OF
COURSE, SOME OF IT DOES. UM GO
DOWN TO THE CONSUMER AND THEY
HAVE TO PAY A PORTION OF IT
THROUGH HIGHER HIGHER FEES. AH
SO I'M ALSO MINDFUL OF THAT, UM
AND I ALSO AGREE WITH MY SOME OF
MY COLLEAGUES STATEMENTS. I
WOULD PREFER FOR MORE
CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT. THEY CARE AS MUCH
ABOUT COMMUNITY KEEPING OUR
COMMUNITIES SAFE JUST AS MUCH AS
MOMS DEMAND ACTION JUST AS ALL
OF US HERE, SO, UM I KNOW WE
SPOKE ON FRIDAY. I AND I KNOW IT
MAY HAVE BEEN TOO LATE TO HAVE
MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE THEM ALSO BE SUPPORTERS OF
THIS BILL OR BE NEUTRAL OR SOME
, I COULD JUST IMAGINE THEM
BEING MORE SUPPORTIVE. UM BUT,
UM, I WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS,
UM, TODAY TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE
COMMITTEE AND I JUST HOPE TO SEE
MORE CONVERSATIONS AND JUST WANT
TO THANK YOU FOR THE
CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD. ALSO
ON FRIDAY. THANK YOU.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PETRIE-NORRIS.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM AND.
I'M ACTUALLY NOT GONNA
APOLOGIZE. I FEEL VERY EMOTIONAL
AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS TOPIC.
UM, SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR
OUR GENTLEMEN FROM THE NATIONAL
RIFLE ASSOCIATION. AH SO I
THINK, AS OUR AUTHOR NOTED IN
HIS OPENING REMARKS, GUN
VIOLENCE IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF
DEATH FOR CHILDREN IN AMERICA.
IN 2023, THERE HAVE BEEN MORE
MASS SHOOTINGS THAN DAYS EVERY
SINGLE DAY. AYE. THE MOMS IN
THIS ROOM. THE DADS IN THIS ROOM
. THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU STICK
OUR KIDS IN A SCHOOL BUS OR SENT
THEM OUT THE DOOR. SO IN YOUR
COMMENTS, YOU SAID, THINK THIS
LAKSA HISTORICAL NEXUS. CAN YOU
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THAT
POSSIBLY MEANS? SURE MADAM CHAIR
THROUGH YOU TO THE MEMBER. I
APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, AND I
THINK THAT WE ARE ALL CONCERNED
ABOUT VIOLENCE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES. WHETHER YOU'RE A
GUN OWNER OR NOT. NO ONE WANTS
VIOLENCE, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE
SEEN AN UPTICK IN VIOLENCE IN
OUR COMMUNITIES AND WE'VE ALL
SEEN THAT STUDY AND YOU SEE HOW
THAT STUDY CAN BE MANIPULATED.
UM WHERE IT INCLUDES, UM AGES,
UP TO 19 OR 24, WHERE YOU HAVE
OLDER SEGMENTS THAT CAN BE
INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL STREET
GANGS, ETCETERA. THAT MAKE UP A
DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER
DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBERS FOR
THAT AGE RANGE IN THAT STUDY.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE
CONCERNED WITH. NRA HAS PROGRAM
CALLED SCHOOL SHIELD THAT DOES
GRANT WORK FOR PROVIDING SCHOOL
SAFETY FOR SCHOOLS FROM
PARTNERING SCHOOLS FROM LOOKING
AT LOCKS AND GLASSES. YOU KNOW
ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS, AND
SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO PUT
CULPABILITY ON CRIMINAL MISUSE
OF FIREARMS. I THINK THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AGREE ON
AND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH
HERE, WITH THIS TAX GOING AFTER
LAW ABIDING PEOPLE, SOMEONE WHO
MAY BE ENGAGED IN COMPETITIVE
SHOOTING, WHO IS A COLLECTOR,
ETCETERA WHO'S GOING TO PAY THIS
DISPROPORTIONATE THING? I AS I
MADE IN MY COMMENT WE'RE NOT
DISPUTING THE VALUE OF THE
CALVET PROGRAM. WE JUST FEEL
THAT THIS IS A MATTER OF
COMMUNITY SERVANT CONCERNED THAT
SHOULD BE NOT SEPARATED BY
SOMEONE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY
CHOOSE TO EXERCISE A
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. WE HEARD
THAT THIS TAXES ON THE
MANUFACTURER OR ON THE RETAILER
, BUT IN REALITY THAT COST IS
GOING TO GET PASSED DOWN. IT'S
LIKE ANY BUSINESS THE IDEA THAT
THAT IS NOT GOING TO ULTIMATELY
GET TO THE CONSUMER. AND
POTENTIALLY DISCRIMINATE AGAINST
SOMEONE WHO IS LOWER INCOME WHO
MAY NOT HAVE THE TOOLS NECESSARY
TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN SELF
DEFENSE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T
AFFORD PRIVATE SECURITY,
ETCETERA. SO THESE ARE ALL TYPES
OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. AND
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUNDING THAT
GOES FROM THE FEES THAT ARE PAID
BY GUN OWNERS THROUGH THROUGH
THE DROVES THROUGH THE
ENHANCEMENT FEES, ETCETERA. THAT
ARE GOING TO FUND APPS. I MEAN,
THERE'S IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPS
REPORT THAT COMES OUT. I THINK
THE NUMBER IS NORTH OF 20,000
KNOWN PROHIBITED PERSONS THAT
STILL HAVE FIREARMS THAT HAVEN'T
BEEN DEALT WITH THAT COULD
POTENTIALLY BE OUT COMMITTING
ADDITIONAL CRIMES. AND THERE'S
BEEN MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS PUT IN THAT. IN FACT,
THERE WAS BELIEVE IT WAS AT $25
MILLION. LOAN FROM THE DRONES
PROGRAM, SO THAT WAS MONIES PAID
BY GUN OWNERS TO CLEAR THIS LIST
, AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE
YEARS AND YEARS AGO. YET THERE'S
STILL TENS OF THOUSANDS OF KNOWN
PROHIBITED PERSONS WITH FIREARMS
OUT THERE THAT THAT'S THE
PROBLEM. THAT'S WHERE OUR FOCUS
SHOULD BE. AND SO I THINK THAT
GUN OWNERS ARE PAYING INTO THAT
RIGHT NOW THERE AND SO LET'S
TAKE GENERAL FUND MONEY. LET'S
LET'S SUPPORT THESE COMMUNITY
PROGRAMS BUT TO GO AFTER GUN
OWNERS AND PUT ANOTHER 11%
EXCISE TAX ON HIM. I THINK
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE PROBLEMS
IN GOING BACK TO THE HISTORICAL
NEXUS THING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE
BRUIN DECISION, AND I KNOW THAT
THIS IS NOT EXACTLY THIS IS
PROBABLY MORE OF A JUDICIARY
QUESTION, BUT THE STANDARD THAT
THEY LOOKED AT IN THAT CASE IS
YOU NEED TO SHOW A HISTORICAL
NEXUS TO THE TYPES OF
RESTRICTIONS. UM TO SHOW THE
CONSTITUTIONALITY AND PUTTING
THIS ON WITH THE EQUIVALENT OF A
POLL TAX OR SOMETHING THAT'S
ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY GOING TO
DISCOURAGE SOMEONE FROM
EXERCISING THE RIGHT BECAUSE
YOU'RE GOING TO PLACE THEM OUT
OF PRICE THEM OUT OF THE MARKET,
BECAUSE, AS I MENTIONED JUST TO
GO OUT AND LAWFULLY PURCHASED
YOUR FIRST FIREARM, YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT ALMOST $100 IN
FEES RIGHT? AND SO SOME PEOPLE
ARE JUST AS THE AUTHOR, THE
AUTHOR CLARIFIED. IT IS A TAX ON
MANUFACTURERS AND SO IF THE
CONCERN IS THAT YOU IF YOU
SUPPORT THE PROGRAMS THAT THIS
IS SUPPORTING, AND YOU AGREE
THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING MORE TO
PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE, AND YOUR
CONCERN IS IT'S GOING TO GET
PASSED ON TO THE END USER THAN
PERHAPS FOCUS SOME OF YOUR
LOBBYING POWER ON THE
MANUFACTURERS AND POINT THAT
ENERGY IN THAT DIRECTION. I
THINK THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE UM
IT'S A GREAT STRATEGY FOR YOUR
MEMBERS TO PRESENT TO BE CLEAR.
WE DON'T REPRESENT THE
MANUFACTURERS. WE KNOW. I KNOW
CONSUMER. BASICALLY, PEOPLE WHO
ARE OUT EXERCISING IT FROM
SOMEONE WHO IS YOU KNOW OUR
MEMBERS PAY $35 A YEAR AND
THAT'S TOUGH FOR SOME OF THEM
RIGHT AND SO NOW TO PUT WITH WE
HAVE RECORD INFLATION. WE HAVE
ALL THESE DIFFERENT FEES HAVE
BEEN ASSESSED. IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT TO GO OUT AND EXERCISE
THIS RIGHT AND THEY CAN ALL
AFFORD PRIVATE SECURITY RIGHT.
THEY DON'T ALL LIVE IN GATED
COMMUNITIES. UM AND SO I JUST
THINK THIS IS UNFAIR AND WE
TALKED ABOUT THE PITTMAN
ROBERTSON ACT AND HOW THAT'S
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S
BENEFITED WILDLIFE. CALIFORNIA
RECEIVES MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS FOR WILDLIFE
CONSERVATION EFFORTS, ETCETERA
THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAS NEVER
BEEN LEGALLY CHALLENGED. AND SO
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A NEW
EXCISE TYPE TAX. THAT OPENS UP
GROUNDS WHERE SOMEONE MIGHT GO
AND CHALLENGE IT. AND YOU COULD
CALL INTO QUESTION TO THAT, AND
WE'RE TALKING OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN WILDLIFE FUNDING.
THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GO AWAY
TO ALL STATES, RIGHT IF THE
COURT LOOKS AT THAT AND SAYS NO,
YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, SO I THINK
THAT THERE'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE
HERE LEGALLY OF WHERE THIS COULD
LEAD. AND SO THAT WAS THE POINT
THAT I WAS TRYING TO. SO I
APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND I
DID ALSO JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU
KNOW, X. I THINK OUR OTHER, UH
GENTLEMEN FROM THE GUN OWNERS OF
CALIFORNIA. YOU COMMENTED THAT
AH, CALIFORNIA'S MORE MASS
SHOOTINGS THAN ANY OTHER STATE,
AND I DO THINK IT'S REALLY,
REALLY IMPORTANT WHETHER WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE BILL BEFORE US
OR, FRANKLY, ANYTHING THAT'S
ADDRESSING GUN SAFETY MEASURES
AND THE OPTIONS WE'VE TAKEN IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. FOR US
, TO BE HONEST ABOUT THE FACTS
AND US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
WITH A SHARED SET OF FACTS, SO
WELL IN IN COME SAVE ME. THAT
WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL THING. I'VE
BEEN DOING IT SINCE 1980 JUST
HAPPENED. THIS WEDDING TYPICAL
YEAR IN AMERICA. MORE PRESCHOOL
CHILDREN DIE. THAN POLICE
OFFICERS IN THE LINE OF DUTY.
AND THAT'S JUST IT IS SO
HORRIFYING THAT ACTUALLY, JUST
LIKE EVERY TIME I SAY IT, I LOOK
IT UP TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACTUALLY
TRUE. AND THAT IS A TYPICAL YEAR
IN AMERICA, BUT IT IS NOT A
TYPICAL YEAR ANYWHERE ELSE ON
THE PLANET. AND THE REASON THAT
WE KNOW THAT GUN SAFETY LAWS
WORK. THE REASON THAT WE KNOW
THEY KEEP OUR KIDS AND OUR
COMMUNITY SAFE. IT'S BECAUSE IN
EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
NO. ONE NO WEALTHY
INDUSTRIALIZED NATION ON EARTH
HAS THE KIND OF GUN DEATHS THAN
AMERICA HAS. AND WHEN YOU LOOK
AT A LIST, AND I'VE GOT A LIST
HERE IF YOU WANT IF YOU WANT ME
TO PRINT OUT THAT LIST LIST OF
PER CAPITA GUN DOES. ONE THING
IS VERY, VERY CLEAR. MORE GUNS,
EQUAL, MORE GUN VIOLENCE AND
MORE GUN DEATHS. STRONGER GUN
SAFETY LAWS LEAD TO FEWER GUN
DEATHS. THEY KEEP OUR KIDS AND
OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. AND SO THIS
IS NOT ABOUT TRYING TO ATTACK.
LAWFUL GUN OWNERS. THIS IS ABOUT
US, ENSURING THAT AS CALIFORNIA
WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR
POWER TO KEEP OUR KIDS IN OUR
COMMUNITY SAFE AND NOT IN MY
OPINION DOES MEAN CONTINUING TO
BUILD ON THE INVESTMENTS THAT
WE'RE MAKING IN GUN VIOLENCE,
PREVENTION. AND SO WITH THAT I
HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS BILL TODAY
AND IF IT HAS NOT BEEN MOVED,
HAPPY TO MOVE THE MEASURE. THANK
YOU. HOPEFULLY BE MOVING TO
SUSPENSEFUL. WELL THANK YOU.
NEVER MIND FEW STEPS ALONG
APPRECIATE IT NONETHELESS. RIGHT
IN THE WORLD WILL BE VOTING ON
IT AFTER UM WELL, I APPRECIATE
THE COMMENTS FROM ALL THE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SO I JUST
WANT TO SORT OF EMPHASIZE AGAIN
THAT THIS COMMITTEE NEVER TAKES
RAISING TAXES. UM LIGHTLY. AH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BAINES DID TALK
ABOUT MONEY IN HER AREA. I ALSO
WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR THAT
THIS WOULD BE AFFECTING THE
ENTIRE STATE, AND WE WOULD
REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE ENTIRE
STATE BENEFITING WHETHER IT'S
THROUGH THE CALVET PROGRAM, OR,
YOU KNOW FOR ME PERSONALLY, I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE MONEY GO
TO. I DON'T THINK THAT GUNS ARE
CURRENTLY TAXED FOR THE APPS
PROGRAM. I THINK THAT'S PAID
FROM THE GENERAL FUND. I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE HIM, BUT I COULD BE
MISTAKEN ON THAT. I THINK YOU
WEREN'T THAT SURE, EITHER. SO,
UM TO LOOK IT UP, BUT I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE MORE APPS MONEY
GOING TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
BECAUSE THAT PROGRAM HAS NOT
BEEN WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD
AND THAT THAT IS REALLY MOVE.
REMOVING GUNS FROM PEOPLE THAT
ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM. SO
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE UM CHANGE TO
THE WATERFALL MODEL THAT YOU
CURRENTLY HAVE HERE TO MAKE SURE
THAT SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS THAT
WOULD BENEFIT OTHER PARTS OF THE
STATE, UH WOULD WOULD ALSO HAVE
A MORE. UM, UH, REGULAR FUNDING
STREAM. I IT IS REALLY OF
CONCERN TO HAVE SO MUCH LAW
ENFORCEMENT OPPOSITION. SO I
THINK IF THERE IS SOME, YOU
KNOW, MAYBE MONEY GOING LOCALLY
TO HELP THEM WITH WITH THINGS
LIKE THE APPS PROGRAM THAT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT AND I AGREE
WITH WHAT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
VALENCIA SAID. IN THEIR OFF
HOURS. THESE OFFICERS ARE OFTEN
USING THEIR THEIR PERSONAL, UM,
WEAPONS AND THEY'RE HIGHLY
TRAINED, SO I WOULD CERTAINLY
LIKE THAT. YOU TO CONSIDER THAT
THEY ARE EXEMPTED, NOT JUST FOR
PROFESSIONAL USE AND DEPARTMENTS
AREN'T JUST EXEMPTED, BUT THAT
THEY ARE ALSO EXEMPTED FOR, UM,
FOR PERSONAL USE. AND FINALLY, I
KNOW THAT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
VALENCIA AND OTHERS HAVE
MENTIONED THAT CALVIN BY NO.
THEY ARE VERY GOOD PROGRAMS. BUT
THERE HAS TO BE AN
ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURE EVERY
YEAR. YOU YOU NEED TO BE
MEASURING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF
THIS PROGRAM. AND UNLIKE WE HAVE
OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE
CONTINUAL FUNDING GOING TO, AND
THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY
EFFECTIVE. AND SO I WOULD LIKE
TO SEE REALLY STRONG LANGUAGE IN
THERE THAT YOU DON'T CONTINUE
PROGRAMS THAT ARE NO LONGER
EFFECTIVE IF THERE ARE MORE
INNOVATIVE WAYS TO DEAL WITH
VIOLENCE, AND ESPECIALLY THESE
50 MORE MOST VIOLENT COMMUNITIES
, I KNOW THAT THIS BILL HAS A
WAYS TO GO, AND I THINK YOU'VE
HEARD FROM PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY
ON THE COMMITTEE THAT WERE WE IF
IT GETS OFF SUSPENSE, UH, THAT
WE ARE ALL RESERVING OUR RIGHT
TO LOOK AT WHAT WHAT ISSUES HAVE
BEEN ADDRESSED ON THE FLOOR. UH
THIS IS A TWO THIRDS BILL AND,
UM UH, I THINK THAT YOU'RE STILL
GOING TO REQUIRE THE SUPPORT OF
EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE. REMEMBER
TALKING? YOU KNOW, I REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT ALLOWED ARTICLE
DOT COME UP WITH A BEAUTY, CHEW
AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE AND MY
FIRST BILL AFTER I GOT ELECTED
LAST YEAR, THAT WAS ANTI GUN
VIOLENCE, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IT
FAILED IN THE PUBLIC SKEPTIC
COMMITTEE. I DO HAVE A CONCERN.
SO YOU KNOW THAT THIS BILL HAS A
LOT OF OPPOSITION FROM THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT. AND I THINK THAT I
THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE
THAT IF WE COULD HAVE LIKE A
STUDY BEFORE YOU COME UP WITH
THIS BILL TO HAVE A CONCLUSION
THAT WE'RE NOT IS BE REALLY
BENEFIT OUR. OUR FAMILY, OUR
FUTURE GENERATION, BUT
UNFORTUNATELY, WE THAT I DON'T
SEE THE LANGUAGE HERE. BUT I DO
HAVE A CONCERN AND REALLY WANT
TO SHARE CONCERNS WITH OTHER
MEMBER THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF
OPPOSITION FROM OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND, UH I DON'T
THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THAT
REALLY, REALLY FAIR THAT WE WILL
GO AFTER ANY AND HE SAID
INDUSTRY ALRIGHT, WELL, UM. DO
YOU LIKE TO FIRST ANSWER AND
THEN CLOSE OR DO IT ALL
TOGETHER? CAN CAN DO IT ALL
TOGETHER. IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU,
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IT WAS SO
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR
SUPER APPRECIATE THE
CONVERSATION. APPRECIATE THOSE
OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATION
WITH AND I HOPE THAT THOSE
CONVERSATIONS WILL CONTINUE, I
WILL SAY AS A TAXPAYER IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. I
APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFUL WAY
THAT ALL OF YOU CONSIDER THIS
PEOPLE IN THE STATE WORK HARD
FOR THEIR MONEY. THEY DESERVE TO
HAVE IT SENT SPENT IN REALLY
EFFECTIVE WAYS AND TO MAKE SURE
THAT IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO A
BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THEIR
COMMUNITIES AND FOR THEIR
CHILDREN. AND SO I APPRECIATE.
AND I MEAN THIS VERY SINCERELY
THE THOUGHTFULNESS WITH WHICH
ALL OF YOU HAVE APPROACHED THIS
WE HAVE GOTTEN THE MESSAGE ABOUT
LAW ENFORCEMENT LOUD AND CLEAR
AGAIN. MY APOLOGIES. JUST IN THE
RUSH OF THINGS HAVE NOT HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION WITH THEM YET, BUT
YOU HAVE MY 100% FIRM COMMITMENT
THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION. WE ARE GOING TO DO
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HOPEFULLY
BE ALIGNED WITH THEM BECAUSE WE
ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE ROLE THAT
THEY PLAY IN KEEPING OUR
COMMUNITIES SAFE. AND WE THINK
THAT THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING
THAT WE SHOULD NATURALLY BE
ALIGNED ON RIGHT, SOMETHING THAT
REDUCES GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES THAT REDUCES
HOMICIDE AND ARCHIMEDES. THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO
NATURALLY BENEFIT OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, SO WE WILL
ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION. UM I WILL JUST SAY
TO ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TOSS POINT.
I THINK YOU HEARD THERE HAVE
BEEN STUDIES IN MULTIPLE CITIES
AROUND THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
THAT HAVE DEMONSTRATED STUNNING
DOUBLE DIGIT DROPS OR MORE. UM
OF THIS INCREDIBLE DROPS IN
REDUCTIONS IN GUN VIOLENCE WHERE
CALVIN HAS BEEN EMPLOYED. I
THINK YOU ACTUALLY HEARD FROM
FROM THE OPPOSITION HERE. THEY
DON'T CONTEST THE EFFECTIVENESS
OF THE CALVET PROGRAM. THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT THAT HAS BEEN
PROVEN AND DEMONSTRATED TO SAVE
LIVES. AND, AS YOU KNOW, IN THIS
BILL CALVET IS ONLY ONE OF THE
PIECES THAT WE'RE FUNDING IN
ADDITION TO SCHOOL SAFETY, IN
ADDITION TO MENTAL HEALTH, IN
ADDITION TO THE MONEY FOR LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE SO THERE IS A LOT IN
THIS BILL. WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT. WE'RE
GOING TO TRY TO WORK WITH ALL OF
YOU INCORPORATE ALL OF THE
REALLY THOUGHT FULL FEEDBACK
THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM
EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
GET THIS RIGHT I WILL CONCEDE
WERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
PROCESS. THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE
ON THIS WATERFALL ON THE
ALLOCATION OF FUNDING. BUT I
WILL JUST CONCLUDE WITH, UM I
THINK THE YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR
COLLEAGUE FROM ORANGE COUNTY, UM
SAID IT BEST. THIS IS A UNIQUELY
AMERICAN PHENOMENON. THIS IS THE
LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH OF
CHILDREN. THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA. I WAS LOOKING IF YOU
LOOK IN THE BILL, WE TALKED
ABOUT THE FACT THAT FOR A BLACK
FOR PARENTS OF A BLACK SON 13 TO
19 YEARS OF AGE, THEY ARE MORE
LIKELY TO LOSE THEIR CHILD TO
GUN HOMICIDE THAN EVERY OTHER
CAUSE OF DEATH COMBINED. CAR
ACCIDENTS DROWNING ANYTHING THAT
OTHER TYPES OF VIOLENCE, ALL OF
THAT COMBINED THEY'RE MORE
LIKELY TO LOSE THEIR CHILD FROM
GUN HOMICIDE. SO WE HAVE AN
EPIDEMIC AND A EPIDEMIC OF GUN
VIOLENCE IN THIS COUNTRY. WE
HAVE TRIED TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY
PERSPECTIVE. WE ARE NOW TRYING
TO THINK ABOUT IT FROM A PUBLIC
HEALTH PERSPECTIVE, OTHER THINGS
THAT WE CAN DO TO SAVE LIVES,
AND SO WE APPRECIATE VERY, VERY
MUCH THE CONVERSATION. BUT I'LL
SAY IS THE PARENT IS THE PARENT
OF A FIRST GRADER WHO JUST DID
AN ACTIVE SHOOTER DRILL IN THEIR
FIRST GRADE CLASSROOM. WE HAVE A
LOT MORE TO DO TO KEEP OUR KIDS
SAFE. AND WITH THAT, I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR I
VOTE. ALRIGHT WELL WITHOUT
OBJECTION. THIS BILL WILL BE
REFERRED TO OUR SUSPENSEFUL
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, FILE ITEM
ONE. A B 4 30 ASSEMBLY MEMBER.
I WILL SHARE MY. OH, I KNOW. I
THOUGHT THEY GAVE UP. EVENING,
HEINZ SHAIKH. SHAKE. THIS IS
VALERIE JAN YES, BELT. I CAN'T
PRONOUNCE THAT ONE. THAT ONE. I
THOUGHT, I'M NOT SURE I'D DO
THAT I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE OR
SOMETHING. AYE. THAT SHAKE. THAT
WE NEVER NEVER HAVE. TO
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PENDANT, YOU
MAY MAY BEGIN. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM.
CHAIR MEMBERS. UM A B 4 30 WOULD
ALIGN THE DEFINITION OF
COMMUNITY LAND TRUST TO FULLY
REFLECT THE VARIOUS MODELS THAT
THEY EMPLOY COMMUNITY LAND TRUST
PRIMARILY SERVED RESIDENTS IN
LOW INCOME AND HISTORICALLY
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. THEY
HAVE A MISSION OF PERMANENT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UNFORTUNATELY THE DEFINITION AND
THE COMMUNITY LAND CAST TAX CODE
DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THESE
VARIOUS MODELS. 84 30 TRIES TO
ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM GOING
FORWARD, GOING FORWARD BY
CLARIFYING WHAT A COMMUNITY LAND
TRUST IS, UM, AS THIS BILL MOVES
FORWARD, I'M COMMITTED TO
WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDERS,
INCLUDING THE ASSESSORS
ASSOCIATION TO ENSURE THAT THE
INTENT OF THE BILL IS WHAT THE
LANGUAGE WILL ACTUALLY DO WITH
ME TODAY IS VALERIE JAMIESON,
DIRECTOR OF THE RICHMOND LAND.
AND AMY HIKES SHAIKH,
REPRESENTING THE SPONSORS OF THE
BILL, THE CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY
LAND TRUST NETWORK. GO AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON,
HONORABLE CHAIR OR WHEN AND THE
REST OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS VALERIE
JAMISON. I AM ACTUALLY THE
FORMER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR BUT
FOUNDER OF RICHMOND LAND, ONE OF
THE AFFILIATES OF THE CALIFORNIA
COMMUNITY LAND TRUST NETWORK,
STATE FROM THE OREGON BORDER ALL
THE WAY DOWN TO SAN DIEGO, WITH
APPROXIMATELY 3500 RESIDENTS
LIVING IN COMMUNITY LAND TRUST
PROPERTIES. FOR THOSE THAT DON'T
THAT DON'T KNOW. THE FIRST
COMMUNITY LAND TRUST GREW OUT OF
THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT IN THE
SOUTH AS A TOOL FOR ESTABLISHING
A NEW FORM OF LAND TENURE FOR
BLACK FARMERS AND THEIR
FAMILIES. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT
WHILE THE ORIGINAL C L T S
INCLUDED FARMING AND HOUSING,
OUR CURRENT LEGAL DEFINITION IN
CALIFORNIA DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL
THE WAYS THAT OUR AFFILIATES
STEWART LAND. FOR LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES. A B 4 30 WOULD FIX
THAT. A BEFORE. 30 IS NOT TRYING
TO BROADEN WHO'S CONSIDERED A
COMMUNITY LAND TRUST OR BROUGHT
IN WHO RECEIVES THE TAX
EXEMPTION. ALL WE ARE DOING IS
MAKING THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST
DEFINITION MATCH. WHAT'S ALREADY
BEING DONE? LTS OPERATING
COMMUNITY GARDENS, NON PROFIT
SPACES AND OTHER COMMUNITY
OWNERSHIP PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT
THE COMMUNITY. IT'S COMMON FOR
COMMUNITY LAND TRUST
PRESERVATION PROJECTS TO INVOLVE
THE ACQUISITION OF AN APARTMENT
BUILDING AND THEN A MULTIYEAR
TRANSITION TO COMMUNITY LAND
TRUST HOMEOWNERSHIP. DURING THAT
TRANSITION. HOWEVER THOSE
BUILDINGS ARE TYPICALLY JUST
THEY'RE JUST SIMPLY CONSIDERED
RENTALS WITH NO GROUND LEASE IN
THAT INTERIM PERIOD. THROUGH A B
4 30. WE'RE UPDATING THAT
DEFINITION AS MENTIONED OF A C L
T TO ACCOMMODATE THAT COMMON
PRACTICE A B 4 30 DOES NOT
BROUGHT IN THE UNIVERSE OF CLT S
AGAIN AND DOES NOT EXPAND ANY
BENEFITS TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT
DON'T ALREADY HAVE A TAX
EXEMPTION. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH
. I REQUEST YOUR VOTE ON A B 4
30. THANK YOU. JUST HERE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS, ALL RIGHT? AH
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER? UM MEMBERS
OF THE AUDIENCE THAT WISH TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT. AND THEY THEY
LEFT. I'M SORRY THEY COULDN'T
HANG WITH THE LONGER THEY HAD A
BUS COULDN'T HANG. SO HOW MANY
WERE THERE? JUST SO WE HAVE AN
IDEA HOW MUCH THEY WOULD HAVE
FILLED THE ROOM. THERE WAS
APPROXIMATELY 10. OKAY 10, 10,
10, PEOPLE AND 10 BUSSES AND
PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK
IN FAVOR, OKAY? THERE'S
APPARENTLY NO BUSSES OF ANYBODY
SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION, DO WE
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMITTEE? ALRIGHT
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? RESPECTFULLY ASTRAL
AND I VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK THE WITNESSES FOR STICKING
AROUND. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
AND WITHOUT OBJECTION, THIS BILL
WILL BE REFERRED TO OUR SUSPENSE
FILE. I THINK ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
PETRIE-NORRIS. YOU ARE NEXT WITH
ITEM NUMBER SIX A. B 11. OH,
FIVE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS PLEASED TO PRESENT A B
11 OH FIVE TODAY, WHICH WILL
SUPPORT CALIFORNIA'S AS A
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, STARTUP
COMPANIES AND FIRST MADAM CHAIR
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMEND AND
THANK YOUR STAFF FOR ALL OF
THEIR WORK ON THIS BILL REALLY
APPRECIATES, UH, ALL THAT THAT
YOUR TEAM HAS DONE WITH US. AND
SO THIS BILL WOULD ENABLE THIS.
THIS BILL IS MODELED AFTER A
LONG EXISTING AND SUCCESSFUL
PROGRAM IN NEW JERSEY, WHICH
PERMITS SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
STARTUPS TO SELL THEIR NET
OPERATING LOSSES AND TURN THOSE
TAX LOSSES INTO CASH TO REINVEST
BACK INTO THEIR COMPANY. SO A
NET OPERATING LOSS OCCURS FOR A
COMPANY WHEN DEDUCTIONS FOR A
YEAR. ARE ACTUALLY MORE THAN THE
INCOME FOR THE YEAR AND, UH, NOT
SURPRISINGLY, AS MANY START UP
COMPANIES WORK TO GET OFF THE
GROUND. MANY DO EXPERIENCE AND
THAT OPERATING LOSS, BUT THEN
THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ACTUALLY, UH
, YOU KNOW IT'S CASH IN ON ON
THAT BENEFIT THEY WOULD
OTHERWISE ENJOY. SO CALIFORNIA
IS A GLOBAL LEADER IN INNOVATION
AND A B 11 OH 56 TO ENSURE THAT
WE AS A STATE SUPPORT THE NEXT
GENERATION OF GOOD IDEAS AND
INNOVATIVE STARTUPS AND GIVE
THEM SUPPORT, UM IN THEIR EARLY
YEARS AND START WORKING TO
SUCCEED, SO PLEASE BE JOINED
TODAY BY MARK HOLMAN FROM X
BANANA STATICS AND I SAYING THAT
RIGHT, MR HOLMAN, YOU ARE I WILL
HAND IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU.
CHAIR, IRWIN, REMEMBER? THANK
YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.
I'M MARK HOLMAN, THE CHIEF
EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF DAVIS BASED
EXPENSE THAT TICKS HERE TO RISE
AND SPEAK IN SUPPORT. OF 11 05
TODAY, WHICH EXTENDS A CRUCIAL
LIFELINE TO INNOVATIVE STARTUP
COMPANIES IN SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY
, ENGINEERING AND MATHEMATICS
SECTORS LIKE OURS BY ALLOWING US
TO SELL OUR NET OPERATING LOSS
FOR IMMEDIATE FINANCIAL RELIEF
ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO PAY R
AND D EMPLOYEES, PARTICULARLY
PURCHASE EQUIPMENT HERE. SO THAT
WE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE WELL
AND FROM A POSITION OF FINANCIAL
STRENGTH, STRENGTHEN CALIFORNIA
AND OUR COMPANY. WE KNOW VERY
WELL. THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE
FACED BY STARTUP COMPANIES
EXPAND AESTHETICS, FOR EXAMPLE,
IS BASED ON A MAJOR LICENSED
DISCOVERY. THAT WAS MADE HERE BY
ONE OF OUR MAJOR PUBLIC RESEARCH
UNITS, UNIVERSITIES AROUND HOW
THE GENERAL ANESTHETICS WORK,
WHICH WOULD, OF COURSE, ARE
FOUNDATIONAL DRUGS AROUND THE
WORLD. IN ADDITION TO THE CORPS
GENERAL ANESTHESIA PROGRAM, WE
ALSO HAVE A PROGRAM IN NON
OPIOID PAIN TREATMENTS, WHICH WE
LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING FORWARD
AS WELL. OUR HEADQUARTERS IS
BASED IN DAVIS FROM THERE ARE
HIGHLY SKILLED WORKFORCE. LEADS
R AND D COLLABORATIONS WITH
FOLKS HERE IN CALIFORNIA
THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND
AROUND THE WORLD. WE HAVE
RECRUITED SKILLED PEOPLE FROM
OTHER STATES TO COME TO
CALIFORNIA AND HAVE SUPPORTED
THEIR PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION,
INCLUDING AT U. C. WERE AN
EXAMPLE OF HOW CALIFORNIA
COMPANIES TAKE SCIENTIFIC
DISCOVERIES THAT ARE MADE HERE
IN LIFE SCIENCES AND TRANSLATE
THEM FORWARD INTO MARKETABLE
PRODUCTS. MAKING US AMONG THOSE
WHO ARE BUILDING THE STATE'S
BIOTECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT AND
EXPORT CAPACITY FOR THE DECADES
AHEAD. THE UNFORTUNATE FISCAL
REALITY OF MOST STARTUP
COMPANIES IS THAT THEY FAIL AND
MAYBE 11 05 ADDS AN IMPORTANT
FINANCIAL TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX,
PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT ARE ON
THE CUTTING EDGE OF INNOVATION,
BRINGING FORWARD A LATER STAGE
CASH CASH ASSET, NAMELY TAX
LOSSES SO THAT WE CAN INVEST
USING THAT ASSET TODAY. IN
RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT
MAKES OUR SUCCESS MORE POSSIBLE
, EVEN SUCCESSFUL LIFE SCIENCE
COMPANIES. AND OTHER TECHNOLOGY
COMPANIES IN OUR SPACE OPERATED
A LOSS FOR MANY YEARS, SOME EVEN
SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN A DECADE
UNTIL THEY'RE ABLE TO GENERATE
REVENUE AND BECOME PROFITABLE,
WHICH, OF COURSE, CONTINUES TO
THREATEN THESE COMPANIES. AND IN
TURN CALIFORNIA'S GLOBAL
DOMINANCE IN THE BIOTECHNOLOGY
SECTOR STARTUPS ARE CRUCIAL,
CRUCIAL FOR DRIVING
TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION WITHIN
AN ECOSYSTEM WITH WHICH MORE
FAMILIAR COMPANIES COME TO MIND
WHICH ARE LARGER, MORE
ESTABLISHED MORE CONSOLIDATED
AND ALSO GENERALLY MORE RISK
AVERSE. CURRENTLY THE FEDERAL
RESERVE INTEREST RATE HIKES PUT
STARTUP COMPANIES THAT DON'T
EVEN HIGHER RISK OF FAILURE DUE
TO CAPITAL CHALLENGES UNDER NEW
JERSEY'S LONGSTANDING LAW, WHICH
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S REFERRED TO
WHEN A QUALIFYING STARTUP
COMPANIES TAX DEDUCTION MINUS
GROSS INCOME IS NEGATIVE. THE
COMPANY CAN THEN SELL THAT IN A
WELL TO A THIRD PARTY, TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF THAT INJECTION IN
IMMEDIATE CAPITAL TO INVEST IN
THE WORKFORCE AND R AND D
BECOMING MORE RESILIENT TO
PERIODS OF ECONOMIC INSTABILITY
LIKE THOSE WE MAY BE FACING
SOON, SO HE'D BE 11 05 IS TIMELY
FOR OUR COMPANY AND COMPANIES
LIKE OURS, HELPING CALIFORNIA'S
INNOVATIVE STARTUP. COMPANIES
WHETHER IMPENDING ECONOMIC
DOWNTURNS, WHICH MAY LIE AHEAD,
KEEPING MORE OF COMPANIES LIKE
US AFLOAT DURING THESE TIMES AND
OTHER ECONOMIC DIFFICULT TIMES
THAT WE MIGHT LOOK AHEAD AND SEE
IN THE FUTURE, KEEPING MORE
CALIFORNIA'S EMPLOYED IN THIS
FINAL PART OF OUR ECONOMY, SO I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT FOR A B 11. OH, FIVE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THEN
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL
WITNESSES IN THE ROOM THAT WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT?
JENNIFER SNYDER ON BEHALF OF THE
BIOTECHNOLOGY INNOVATION
ORGANIZATION, NATIONAL BIO AND
SUPPORT. SAM CHUNG ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA LIFE SCIENCES, WHERE
THE SPONSOR OF THE A B 11 OH
FIVE AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
CHAIR AND MEMBERS MORE ATOP ON
BEHALF OF EXCUSE ME BY YOUR COM
CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT THANK YOU
. PRESTON YOUNG FROM THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
HERE IN SUPPORT. LAWRENCE, GATE
NUMBER HALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
MANUFACTURING TECHNOLOGY
ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT THANK
YOU. ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES IN
THE ROOM IN OPPOSITION? GOOD
MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON. UM MY
NAME IS ON LAURA. I'M WITH THE
CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION. UM, WE RESPECTFULLY
OPPOSED AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO
DO WITH THE INDUSTRY OR THE
COMPANY. THIS IS REALLY ABOUT
THE TAX POLICY BEHIND IT. WE
THINK IT'S DANGEROUS PRECEDENT
TO ALLOW A COMPANY OR CERTAIN
COMPANIES TO SELL THE BENEFIT
THAT WAS REALLY INTENDED FOR
THEM ATTACKS BENNETT REALLY
INTENDED FOR THEM, UM AND THEN
WE ALSO OPPOSED BECAUSE OF THE
POTENTIAL IMPACT TO THE STATE
GENERAL FUND REVENUE COLLECTION
PROPOSITION 98 MAKES UP 40%
ROUGHLY 40% OF THE STATE AND SO
ANY DECREASE TO REVENUE
COLLECTION IS A PROPORTIONATE
40% TO PROPOSITION 98. FOR THOSE
REASONS, THAT'S WHY WE OPPOSED
SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
INDUSTRY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY GET THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, JAMES MICHAEL PAUL
WITH THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF
STATE COUNTY MISSING EMPLOYEES.
WE CONCUR WITH THE PREVIOUS
WITNESS, AND WE OPPOSED THE
BILL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO
WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMITTEE, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
VALENCIA. THANK YOU
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. DO WE HAVE A
PROJECTED IMPACT TO THE STATES
REVENUE. UH NO, WE DO. NOT AS
YET. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT
ANALYSIS TO AND, UM WHAT I KNOW
THAT WILL HAPPEN IN IN
APPROPRIATIONS, BUT, UM I THINK
THAT THE POINT THAT I WOULD MAKE
WITH RESPECT TO THE IMPACT ON
GENERAL FUNDING TO THE CONCERNS
RAISED BY OPPOSITION IS THAT UM
, I GUESS SORT OF THE STRATEGY
BEHIND THIS POLICY IS REALLY
ABOUT SUPPORTING THE NEXT
GENERATION OF. INNOVATIVE HIGH
GROWTH. UH YOU KNOW, HIGH
ECONOMIC POTENTIAL COMPANIES AT
A REALLY CRITICAL JUNCTURE IN
THEIR DEVELOPMENT, SO THERE IS
SOMEHOW IN BETWEEN VENTURE
FINANCING AND ACHIEVING FULL
PROFITABILITY. MANY COMPANIES
WITH A TON OF PROMISE ACTUALLY
RUN INTO THIS VALLEY OF DEATH
AND END UP AS OUR WITNESS SAID,
FAILING RIGHT AND THE NET RESULT
OF THAT IS NO JOBS, NO ECONOMIC
GROWTH, NO TAX REVENUE FOR THE
STATE. SO THE, UM THE STRATEGY
BEHIND THIS DIVISION BEHIND THIS
THE REASON THAT WE WERE KIND OF
INSPIRED BY WHAT WHAT NEW JERSEY
HAS DONE IS THAT IF YOU CAN
INTERVENE AT THAT REALLY
IMPORTANT MOMENT, YOU HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY THEN TO, UH.
ACTUALLY HAVE A NET POSITIVE
IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUNDS. I
THINK I WOULD ARGUE THE REASON
WE'RE INTRODUCING. THIS IS NOT
BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S GOING TO
HELP. SMALLER COMPANIES SUCCEED
AT THE IMPACT OF THE GENERAL
FUND. IT'S BECAUSE IF WE CAN
HELP THEM SUCCEED IF WE CAN HELP
THEM SURVIVE AND POSITION THEM
TO THRIVE, THEN WE WILL BE
LOOKING AT, UM YOU KNOW, AND
THAT RESULT THAT ACTUALLY
CREATES MORE SUCCESSFUL
COMPANIES, MORE GREAT JOBS, MORE
ECONOMIC GROWTH AND ULTIMATELY
MORE. TAX REVENUE FOR THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA. SO ARE YOU
ARGUING THAT THEN THESE
COMPANIES FAILED DUE TO LACK OF
RESOURCES, NOT NECESSARILY LACK
OF INGENUITY OR A PRODUCT THAT
ACTUALLY BENEFIT SOCIETY. YES,
SO A LOT OF A LOT OF COMPANIES
THAT ARE ON A CERTAIN TRAJECTORY
SO COMPANIES CAN FIND IT VERY
EASY, STRONG WORD, BUT, UM IT'S
RELATIVELY EASY FOR COMPANIES TO
OBTAIN AN ADVENTURE. FINANCING
UM, ONCE A COMPANY IS ACTUALLY
PROFITABLE, IT CAN BE AGAIN
RELATIVELY EASY FOR THEM TO, UH
OBTAIN FINANCING AND MORE KIND
OF TRADITIONAL LOANS. BUT IN
THIS KIND OF THIS GAP SORT OF
GROWTH FUNDING IS VERY, VERY
HARD, VERY, VERY CHALLENGING,
AND A HUGE NUMBER OF COMPANIES
THAT I THINK ARE YEP, PROMISING
ACTUALLY END UP FAILING AT THAT
POINT IN THE REVOLUTION THAT'S
HELPFUL. AND THEN WHAT TYPE OF
THRESHOLD WILL BE IMPLEMENTED OF
THIS PALACE POLICY DOES MOVE
FORWARD. AH THAT WILL BE THE
CATALYST TO THAT TO THE TO THE
TAX CREDIT. A WHAT? SORRY. CAN
YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? ORDER
THREATS AND EDUCATE ME ON THIS,
PLEASE. UM WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD
? UH THAT OR THE AH, THE PROOF
THAT A COMPANY WILL HAVE TO SHOW
IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THIS AND
THEN THIS, OKAY? YES THANK YOU.
SO UM, IT WOULD APPLY TO LET'S
SEE A CATEGORY OF COMPANIES THAT
WE ARE TERMING STARTUP. WHAT
WE'RE CALLING THEM STARTUP
INNOVATORS, AND, UM, THEY WOULD
. IT WOULD BE ANY COMPANY THAT
HAD NO L'S. UM, BUT THE MAXIMUM
THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO
BENEFIT FROM THE PROGRAM. THAT
THRESHOLD WOULD BE $20 MILLION.
AND THEN I THINK IN TERMS OF
EVALUATING THE EFFICACY OF THE
PROGRAM. SHOULD SHOULD WE PIECE
OF FORTUNATE AS TO ADVANCE THE
POLICY THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE
AND THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, THE
POLICY WOULD HAVE THE TYPICAL
FIVE YEAR SUNSET, UM AND BE
EVALUATED THE END OF THAT PERIOD
TO DETERMINE IF, IN FACT, THE
KIND OF ALMOST INCUBATOR
FINANCING THAT THE PROGRAM WAS
WAS PROVIDING. RESULTED IN A
INCREASE IN TERMS OF THE SUCCESS
OF THE COMPANY. SO IF THAT
HYPOTHESIS THAT I SHARED WITH
YOU IS ACTUALLY BORNE OUT IN
PRACTICE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
RIGHT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE?
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S ALRIGHT. WELL
THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I
APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS FROM
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND THE
DISCUSSION AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD
TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE
COMMITTEE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION
OF THE PROGRAM. SHOULD SHOULD WE
ADVANCE AND WOULD RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. AND YOUR
VOTE AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
ALRIGHT THANK YOU. THANK YOU
WITHOUT OBJECTION. THIS BILL
WILL BE REFERRED TO OUR SUSPENSE
FILE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT
UP. WE HAVE FILE ITEM SEVEN A B
15 76.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS TODAY I HAVE
BEFORE YOU. ASSEMBLY BILL 15 76
, WHICH WILL UPDATE THE REVENUE
AND TAXATION CODE BY TREATING
DISREGARDED ENTITIES THE SAME
WAY AS OTHER BUSINESS ENTITIES
IN THE APPLICATION OF TAX
CREDITS. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE STAFF FOR THEIR HARD
WORK ON THIS BILL. WE'RE GOING
TO AMEND THE BILL, AS THE
ANALYSIS SUGGEST. DISREGARDED
ENTITY IS A TAX TERM USED TO
REFER TO AN ENTITY THAT WILL
JUST BE DISREGARDED OR IGNORED
FOR INCOME TAX PURPOSES, SUCH AS
A SINGLE MEMBER LIMITED
LIABILITY COMPANY WHEN A
DISREGARDED ENTITY GENERATES TAX
CREDITS, CREDITS ARE USED BY THE
OWNER OR CORPORATE PARENT OF THE
DISREGARDED ENTITY. CALIFORNIA
LAW CURRENTLY LIMITS THE USE OF
THESE TAX CREDITS. THE CURRENT
LIMITATION WAS ADOPTED IN 1997
WHEN CALIFORNIA DID NOT ALLOW
THE ASSIGNMENT OF TAX CREDITS
AMONG CORPORATE MEMBERS OF A
COMBINED UNITARY GROUP. THIS
LIMITATION MADE SURE THAT
DISREGARDED ENTITIES DID NOT
HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OVER
THEIR CORPORATE COUNTERPARTS.
BUT TODAY THIS LIMITATION HAS
THE OPPOSITE EFFECT AND RESULTS
IN THE DISPARITY. THAT'S BECAUSE
CALIFORNIA LAWS CHANGED AND NOW
ALLOWS FOR THE FREE ASSIGNMENT
OF CREDITS AMONG CORPORATE
SUBSIDIARIES AND OTHER CORPORATE
MEMBERS WITHIN A COMBINED GROUP
. HOWEVER THIS WAS NOT EXTENDED
TO DISREGARDED ENTITIES SUCH AS
THE SINGLE MEMBER LLCS. THAT'S
THE EXISTING LIMITATION
UNREASONABLY AND WITHOUT ANY
BASIS IN TAX POLICY RESULTS IN
AN UNFAIR DISADVANTAGE FOR
DISREGARDED ENTITIES AS COMPARED
TO CORPORATIONS. REMOVING THE
RESTRICTIONS OF EXISTING LAW
WILL LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD AND
PUT DISREGARDED ENTITIES SUCH AS
A SINGLE MEMBER LLCS IN THE SAME
POSITION AS THEIR CORPORATE
COUNTERPARTS HAVE WITH ME TODAY
, BETTY WILLIAMS OF THE
CALIFORNIA LAWYERS ASSOCIATION.
AND BART BEARER OF THE
CALIFORNIA TAXPAYERS TO TESTIFY
AND SUPPORTED THIS BILL AND
ANSWER ANY OF THE COMMITTEE'S
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS BETTY WILLIAMS. I'M A
TAX ATTORNEY HERE IN SACRAMENTO
, PRACTICING FOR 20 YEARS IN A
VARIETY OF TAX MATTERS. I'M HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
LAWYERS ASSOCIATIONS TAXATION
SECTION, SO BY WAY, OF EXAMPLE
OF HOW THE CREDITS ARE
RESTRICTED TO THE SINGLE MEMBER
LLCS THAT THAT ACTUALLY
GENERATES THE CREDITS CONSIDER A
CORPORATE PARENT CORPORATION IS
THE PARENT THAT SETS UP AN L. L
C TO DO RESEARCH ACTIVITIES,
WHICH IN TURN, THEN GENERATE A
CREDIT. BUT THE LLC DOES NOT
GENERATE ANY INCOME BECAUSE THE
PARENT IS THE CORPORATION THAT
SELLS THE PRODUCT RESULTING FROM
THE RESEARCH. IN THAT CASE, THE
CREDITS CAN BE USED BY THE
PARENTS. EVEN THOUGH THE LLC IS
JUST A DIVISION OF THE PARENT.
OR MAYBE A TAXPAYER THAT OWNS
THREE RENTAL REAL ESTATE
PROPERTIES AND HOLDS EACH ONE IN
A SEPARATE SINGLE MEMBER LLC. IF
ONE SINGLE MEMBER LLC GENERATES
A TAX CREDIT THAT CREDIT CANNOT
BE SHARED WITH THE OTHER SINGLE
MEMBER LLCS, EVEN THOUGH THE
INCOME GENERATED IS THE SAME
ACTIVITY. SO ANY TIME A SINGLE
MEMBER LLC HAS INSUFFICIENT
INCOME TO UTILIZE THE WHOLE
CREDIT, THE CREDIT IS LOST. SO
IF SINGLE MEMBER LLC STOPS
OPERATING OR IS SOLD, THE CREDIT
IS LOST, AND THIS ONLY HAPPENS
WITH DISREGARDED ENTITIES SO
EVEN A SOLE PROPRIETORSHIP.
REPORTING ON A SCHEDULE C ON A
TAX RETURN IS ALLOWED TO HAVE
THE CREDITS FLOW THROUGH ON
THEIR, UH, FORM 5 40 THEIR
INCOME TAX RETURN. BUT IF THE
BUSINESS OWNER WANTS SOME
PROTECTIONS AND WANTS TO
ESTABLISH A LIMITED LIABILITY
COMPANY, THEN THAT BUSINESS
OWNER IS UNFAIRLY DISADVANTAGED
AND POSSIBLY UNAWARE OF THIS
ISSUE AT THE TIME OF CHOOSING
HIS ENTITY FORMATION THE WAY THE
LAW CURRENTLY OPERATES, MAKING
THE SINGLE MEMBER LLC LESS
ADVANTAGES THAN INC. SO REMOVING
THE RESTRICTION OF THIS OLD LAW
WOULD NOT CREATE ANY SPECIAL TAX
ADVANTAGES FOR SINGLE MEMBER LLC
, D. C S. INSTEAD, IT WOULD PUT
THEM ON THIS IN THE SAME
POSITION AS CORPORATIONS IN
TERMS OF USING TAX CREDITS. I'M
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM.
EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS BART BEAR, CHIEF TAX
COUNSEL WITH CALIFORNIA
TAXPAYERS ASSOCIATION APPRECIATE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ON TO THE
COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR
CAL TAX IS PROUD TO SUPPORT A B
15 76, WHICH REMOVES AN OBSOLETE
LIMITATION ON THE USE OF
BUSINESS TAX CREDITS GENERATED
BY COMPANY GENERATED COMPANIES
OPERATING IN CALIFORNIA. SO
TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH AND I'LL
REPEAT SOME OF WHAT'S BEEN SELL
. BUT CURRENT LAW SEVERELY
LIMITS THE ABILITY OF A PARENT
COMPANY AND ITS AFFILIATES TO
USE CREDITS GENERATED BY
DISREGARDED ENTITY AGAIN. THE
DISREGARDED ENTITY IS A NON
CORPORATE LEGAL ENTITY THAT'S
100% OWNED. BY ITS TAXPAYER
OWNER AND IS TREATED REALLY AS
PART OF THAT OWNER FOR PURPOSES
OF BOTH FEDERAL AND CALIFORNIA
TAX PURPOSES IN THIS REALLY DID
START AS A FEDERAL TAX CONCEPT
BACK IN THE NINETIES, AND IT'S
SOMETHING THAT WE ADOPTED IN THE
NINETIES AS WELL. UM TAMIR,
CALIFORNIA TO MIRROR FEDERAL
LAW. MAYBE 15 76 WOULD REMOVE
THIS OBSOLETE LIMITATION ON
UTILIZING CREDITS. AND WOULD
SERVE. UM AT LEAST TWO GOALS OF
EXISTING LAW IN CALIFORNIA. 11
RELATES TO THE ALLOWANCE OF TAX
CREDITS. SO THIS CHANGE WOULD
PROPERLY ALLOW THE USE OF
BUSINESS TAX CREDITS FOR
RESEARCH AND CERTAIN OTHER
BENEFICIAL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE
CONDUCTED IN CALIFORNIA. WHICH
THE LEGISLATURE IN THE PAST HAS
STRONGLY MEANT TO ENCOURAGE BY
GRANTING TAX CREDITS. THIS THIS
BILL ACTUALLY FACILITATES A GOAL
THAT'S BEEN CREATED IN IN A
NUMBER OF THESE PIECES OF
LEGISLATION THROUGHOUT THE YEAR
, SAID HAVE CREATED TAX CREDITS,
AND IT WOULD ALSO SUPPORT
LEGISLATORS. LEGISLATURES
INTENT. TO ALLOW THE SHARING OF
CREDITS AMONG MEMBERS OF A
COMMONLY CONTROLLED GROUPS. SO
AGAIN THIS THERE WAS LEGISLATION
IN 2008 THAT ALLOWED, UM
CORPORATE AFFILIATES TO SHARE
CREDIT WITH EACH OTHER. WE HAVE
A GLITCH IN THE LAW WITH RESPECT
TO LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANIES,
AND WE'RE REALLY SEEKING TO PUT
LIMITED LIMITED LIABILITY
COMPANIES AND OTHER DISREGARDED
ENTITIES ON THE SAME FOOTING AS
A CORPORATE SUBSIDIARY. SO THANK
YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PROVIDE INPUT, AND WE'RE HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU
HAVE VERY GOOD. DO WE HAVE ANY
OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT? GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR AND MEMBERS
JENNIFER TANNEHILL WITH AARON
REID AND ASSOCIATES ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA SOCIETY OF
ENROLLED AGENTS THERE IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. ANY
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE. NO
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? JUST THANK YOU.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, MADAM
CHAIR. I'M HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE
AMENDMENTS AND RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AND I VOTE WHEN THE TIME IS
APPROPRIATE, ALRIGHT AND THEN
WITHOUT OBJECTION, THIS BILL
WILL BE REFERRED TO OUR SUSPENSE
FILE. THANK YOU BACK.
NEXT UP IS FILE ITEM EIGHT A. B
1002 ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IRWIN,
PLEASE BEGIN ONE READY. THANK
YOU. UM, MR CHAIR. AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS IN 2015, THE STATE
ESTABLISHED THE CASE OF THE
CALIFORNIA EARNED INCOME TAX
CREDIT THE E I T C WITH
BIPARTISAN GOAL OF PUTTING MONEY
BACK IN THE POCKETS OF WORKING
CALIFORNIANS. DESPITE EFFORTS TO
INCREASE UPTAKE OF CAL E I. T C
. MANY ELIGIBLE TAXPAYERS ARE
STILL NOT CLAIMING THE CREDIT
AMONG VARIOUS BARRIERS ELIGIBLE
RECIPIENT STATE COMPLEX FILING
METHODS HINDER THEIR ABILITY TO
CLAIM THIS CREDIT. AS A RESULT,
A B 10 02 WILL AUTHORIZE THE
FRANCHISE TAX BOARD TO CREATE A
STANDALONE TAX RETURN FORM THAT
WOULD ALLOW CERTAIN QUALIFIED
CAL E I T C TAXPAYERS TO CLAIM
THE CREDIT WITHOUT NEEDING TO
FILE AN INDIVIDUAL RETURN.
THROUGH THIS STANDALONE FORM,
THE STATE WILL REDUCE FILING
BURDENS PLACED ON ELIGIBLE CAL E
EITC RECIPIENTS FURTHER
ENCOURAGING WORKING CALIFORNIANS
TO CLAIM THE CREDITS THEY'VE
EARNED WITH ME TODAY IS TERRY.
ALI H CAMPAIGN DIRECTOR PER
ECONOMIC SECURITY PROJECT
ACTION. THANK YOU. CHAIR, IRWIN
. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
TERRY OLIE. I'M WITH ECONOMIC
SECURITY PROJECT ACTION. GLAD TO
BE HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF
CHAIR IRWIN'S BILL. I WANT TO
THANK HER FOR AUTHORING THIS AND
HER CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO
REDUCING BARRIERS TO CLAIMING
VALUABLE TAX CREDITS. MY
ORGANIZATION ADVANCES POLICIES
THAT GIVE PEOPLE THE FREEDOM AND
STABILITY TO THRIVE AND CHIEF
AMONG THEM ARE THE TAX CREDITS
THAT PUT MONEY DIRECTLY INTO THE
POCKETS OF PEOPLE WHO NEED THEM
MOST LIKE THE CALI, EITC, THE
YOUNG CHILD TAX CREDIT AND THE
FORMER FOSTER YOUTH CREDIT. TAX
CREDITS ARE SOME OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT ANTI POVERTY TOOLS
THAT OUR STATE HAS TO OFFER
WORKING FAMILIES EACH YEAR,
PROVIDING ROUGHLY $1.3 BILLION
TO OVER 4.2 MILLION PEOPLE. BUT
DESPITE THEIR PROMISE THOUSANDS
MISS OUT ON THE CREDITS FOR
WHICH THEY'RE ELIGIBLE EVERY
SINGLE YEAR, AND THOSE WHO HAVE
THE HARDEST TIME GETTING THEM
ARE OFTEN THE ONES WHO NEED THE
CREDITS THE MOST. THIS INCLUDES
PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY KNOWN TO
GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THROUGH
OTHER BENEFITS, BUT STILL NOT
RECEIVING THESE CRITICAL CASH
RESOURCES WHEN ANALYSIS, IN FACT
, FOUND THAT NEARLY HALF A
MILLION CAL FRESH RECIPIENTS WHO
ARE ELIGIBLE FOR CALLIE EITC
DIDN'T RECEIVE IT. A MAJOR
REASON TAKE UP REMAINS
STUBBORNLY LOW IS THAT FILING
TAXES IS DAUNTING. IT'S TIME
CONSUMING. IT'S INTIMIDATING.
IT'S CONFUSING, AND
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S ALSO OFTEN
EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY FOR LOW
INCOME FAMILIES, IMMIGRANTS AND
PEOPLE WITH LANGUAGE BARRIERS.
SO THESE FAMILIES ARE LOCKED OUT
OF HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS IN BENEFITS, AND THEN
OTHERS END UP PAYING TAX PREP
FEES THAT EAT UP PART OR EVEN
ALL OF THESE CREDITS. BUT WE CAN
DO BETTER. MAYBE 10 02 IS A
COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO THIS
PROBLEM. IT CREATES A SIMPLE
STANDALONE FORM THAT WOULD ALLOW
CERTAIN QUALIFIED TAXPAYERS TO
CLAIM THESE CREDITS WITHOUT
BEING REQUIRED TO FILE FULL
RETURN FOR THOSE TAXPAYERS WHO
DON'T NEED TO THIS PROPOSAL IS
ALIGNED WITH EFFORTS TO CLOSE
THE TAKE UP GAP AT THE FEDERAL
LEVEL TWO WITH THE IRS IMPROVING
ON ITS PANDEMIC ERA, SIMPLIFIED
VIOLENCE FOR NON FILERS AND ALSO
DEVELOPING A BROADLY AVAILABLE
FREE OPTION TO FILE FEDERAL
TAXES. MAYBE 10 02 PUTS
CALIFORNIA AT THE FOREFRONT OF
EFFECTIVE STATE GOVERNMENT
MEASURES THAT MAXIMIZE THE
IMPACT OF OUR EXISTING
INVESTMENTS IN THESE TAX
CREDITS, AND I URGE YOUR I'VE
OUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE
HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
THE ROOM WISHING TO SPEAK IN
SUPPORT? AND ARE THERE ANY
WITNESSES IN THE ROOM WISHING TO
SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, SEEING NONE
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
THE COMMITTEE? UM. SEEING NONE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR I VOTE WHEN THE TIME COMES.
ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE A
MOTION IN A SECOND? THINK ABOUT
MOVED BY SOME OF OUR PACHECO
SECONDED BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BAINES. UM,
MISS HIGHLAND. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN IRWIN, I,
WALLACE I BEANS BEANS I GRAYSON
JACOB. CHICO, I PATERSON. JIM
PATERSON. I PETRIE-NORRIS
THREE OF US TAR. VALENCIA
SUBURB. TO I. THE GOOD DOCTOR.
MAYBE 1002. WHAT STATE. UPSET
GÂY TO ABSTAIN. POPULISM.
ALRIGHT THAT BILL IS ON CALL. WE
NEED ONE MORE. RIGHT? OKAY?
DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS IMPORTANT.
ALRIGHT AND FOR ANYBODY WATCHING
, WE WOULD LIKE TO START THE
SUSPENSE FILE, SO WE NEED TO
HAVE ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UH RETURN, PLEASE.
RIGHT I AM LIFTING THE CALL ON
ITEM EIGHT AND CALLING THE
ABSENT MEMBERS. HOW DO YOU
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAYSON?
PETRIE-NORRIS RIVAS, VALENCIA.
VALENCIA ISA BROKE THAT IT WAS
ABOUT 60 BILL IS OUT. WE'RE JUST
WAITING FOR THE REST OF THE
MEMBERS BEFORE WE START
SUSPENSE.
OKAY SO WE ARE JUST FOR THE FOR
THE BILLS THAT YOU MISSED WHERE
YOU ARE GOING TO GO TO ADD ONS
ADD ONS. YEAH ITEM NUMBER TWO A
B 1400. I REMEMBER TO 80 1400.
THAT BILL HAS PASSED. TO PASS
THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS
PETRIE-NORRIS. RIVAS. RIGHT AND
NOW WE'RE GOING TO ITEM NUMBER
EIGHT. MAYBE 10 02. I DON'T
REMEMBER EIGHT. MAYBE 1002 IS A
DO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS BILL
HAS PASSED. GRAYSON
PETRIE-NORRIS THREE OF US REVIS
SUPERB SUBURBAN.
HMM.
MY DEAR. HE'S IN SHARING HIS
TIME WAS GOING TO. THANK YOU,
NORMAN. YEAH. AND WITH. WE CAN
SEE HOW LONGER HOW LONG DO YOU
HAVE TO LEAVE FOR? LET'S SEE HOW
LONG GRAYSON IS OKAY? PRESENTING
A BILL RIGHT NOW, OKAY?
ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO BE
TAKING A 15 MINUTE RECESS. WE
NEED ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE
IN 15 MINUTES. AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
CARRY WITH COMMITTEE
.
ALRIGHT WE FIRST NEED YOU TO ADD
ON TO THE BILLS THAT YOU MISSED.
SO ITEM NUMBER TWO A B 1400. I
DON'T NUMBER 2 1400 IS TO PASS
TO APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATIONS.
THE BILL HAS PASSED
PETRIE-NORRIS PETRIE-NORRIS.
OKAY ALRIGHT. AND THEN A ITEM
EIGHT. MAYBE 10 02. MAYBE 10 OR
TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A DO
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. THAT
BILL HAS PASSED. GRAYSON GRACE
AND I PETRIE-NORRIS
PETRIE-NORRIS, ALRIGHT AND WE
ARE GOING TO START THE SUSPENSE
FILE AS SOON AS EVERYBODY IS
HERE. SHOULD BE FAST. MR
PATTERSON ALREADY MADE THAT
OBSERVATION. MY WORD. WE NEED TO
VALENCIA WE NEED UH RIVAS.
CHECK. EARLY WALLACE IS YOUR
COMMITTEE OVER GREAT. QUICK
BEFORE. WE NEED TO, UH. PEOPLE
FOR THE SUSPENSE. YOU HAVE TO
HAVE EVERYBODY VOTING AT THE
SAME TIME. THESE ARE THE MEMBERS
WILL MEET WITH THE CHILD. JUST
SO YOU KNOW. SO WE'RE WAITING
FOR ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S CHICO.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S RIVAS, VALENCIA
AND ZABAR. UH HUH. HERE WE GO.
THREE ALRIGHT. OKAY. NOW WE'RE
JUST WELL, WE'RE JUST WAITING
FOR ONE MORE VALENCIA, VALENCIA.
MR DAVIS. IS YOUR COMMITTEE
STILL GOING? OKAY SO WE'RE JUST
WAITING FOR ONE MEMBER AND WE
CAN GET STARTED. WELSH CHAIR IS
NOT THERE, SO IT WORKS WELL FOR
YOU. IT'S JUST THAT TIME OF
YEAR. IT'LL GET BETTER. OKAY,
PLEASE. OH, YES, UM. YEAH
THERE'S TWO THINGS I CAN HAND
OUT THE OTHER ONE. IF YOU WATCH
.
HE'S REPRESENTING. WHAT WE HAVE.
NO, WE HAVE TO. WE'RE NOT DOING
ANYTHING. PRESENTATIONS WERE
JUST GOING TO BE. I'LL JUST HAVE
EMOTION IN A SECOND ON ALL THESE
BILLS ON THAT RIGHT THERE.
HMM. HMM. BUT SHE'S HERE. HAVE
SOMEBODY ELSE. AS SOON AS YOU
LEAVE. WE CAN'T VOTE THEN.
THEY'LL JUST SKIP YOU AND YOU
CAN GO BACK. YEAH. THEY CAN'T
END THE MEETING WITHOUT PLEASE.
YOU'RE OKAY. THE PROBLEM IS IF
THE MEETING WAS. INSIDE. YEAH.
SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE WAITING.
SORRY I'M LATE AT YOUR. BRING AN
IRON FROM THE COMMITMENTS. WE
ARE
.
OKAY AT THIS POINT, WE ARE GOING
TO TAKE UP BILLS ON OUR SUSPENSE
FILE IN FILE ORDER, MEANING THAT
WE'RE STARTING WITH FILE ITEM. 1
84 30 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
BENNETT I'M RECOMMENDING AN I
VOTE AND THE MOTION IS DUE PASS
TO APPROPRIATIONS HAVE EMOTION
IN A SECOND. PROMOTION.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WALLACE, SECOND
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
PETRIE-NORRIS, UM. AND SILENT.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL A B 4 30 IS
IT TO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS?
IRWIN IRWIN? I WALLACE WELL AS I
BEANS, I, GRAYSON. GRAYSON I
PACHECO CHICO ARE JIM PATTERSON.
IN PATERSON. I PETRIE-NORRIS
PETRIE-NORRIS. AYE, THREE OF US.
THE THREE OF US I TAR TO
VALENCIA, VALENCIA EYES SUBURB
SUPER I 11TH THAT BILL PASSES 70
IS OUT 11 TO 0. NEXT UP IS FILE
ITEM THREE A B 28 BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GABRIEL THE
CHAIR HAS A NUN RECOMMENDATION
IN THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. DO WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND?
MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
ZABAR, SECOND BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER
UH, THIS PETRIE-NORRIS. MS
HIGHLAND, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
A B 28 IS A DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN IRWIN, I
WALLACE. WELL, LET'S KNOW BEANS.
SPAIN'S ABSTAIN. GRAYSON GRACE
AND I CHICO, CHICO, I AND
PATTERSON. JIM PATTERSON. NO
PETRIE-NORRIS. PETRIE-NORRIS
THREE OF US. HI THREE OF US. AYE
AH, TIME NOW. VALENCIA EYES
SUBURB SUPER. AYE. YEAH. BILL
PASSES 7 TO 3. BILL IS OUT 7 TO
3. NEXT UP IS PILE ITEM FIVE D
346 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
QUIRK-SILVA THE CHAIRS
RECOMMENDING AND I VOTE MOTIONS
DO PASS THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION
IN A SECOND? SECOND ALRIGHT MOST
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S OF HER
SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRACE
AND HIS HIGHLAND, PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. MAYBE 346 IS A DO PASS
TO APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN IRWIN,
I WALLACE I BEANS, BEANS. I
GRAYSON GRACE AND I PACHECO
JAKE. OH, MY JIM PATTERSON.
PATERSON I PETRIE-NORRIS
PETRIE-NORRIS. AYE THREE OF US
THREE OF US I TALK. TO ABSTAIN.
VALENCIA. VALENCIA I SWEAR SUPER
I THAT WILL PASS IS 10 0? THAT
BILL IS OUT. 10 0. NEXT UP IS
FILE ITEM 9 82 65 BY ASSEMBLY
MEMBER BURNER I'M RECOMMENDING
AND I VOTE MOTIONS DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS TO HAVE EMOTION
IN A SECOND. AH ASSEMBLY, MOST
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PACHECO, A
SECOND FIVE, ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
VALENCIA. MS HIGHLAND, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL A B 265. THE
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN WALLACE.
WELL, LET'S ALL RIGHT BEANS.
PAINS I GRAYSON GRACE AND I
PACHECO JACO I JIM PATTERSON.
PATERSON I PETRIE-NORRIS
PETRIE-NORRIS. AYE. THREE OF US
LUZ RIVAS I TALK TO TIME I
VALENCIA ONCE YOUR EYES OF HER
THAT BILL PASSES 11 0. THAT BILL
IS OUT 11 TO 0. UH, HIGHLIGHT.
UM 10 A B 294 PETRIE-NORRIS. AH!
AH THE CHAIR IS RECOMMENDING AND
I BOTH MOTIONS DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. DO WE HAVE A
MOTION IN A SECOND? MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRACE IN A
SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WALLACE. MISS. HIGHLAND, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. ON A B 294. THE
MOTION IS TO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN IRWIN, I,
WALLACE WALLACE, I BEANS BEANS.
I GRAYSON AND I PACHECO, CHICO,
ARJUN PATERSON, PATERSON. I
PETRIE-NORRIS PETRIE-NORRIS.
AYE, THREE OF US THREE OF US I
TA TO VALENCIA. VALENCIA I SUPER
SUPER BILL PASSES 11 0. THAT
VOTE IS 11 0. THE BILL IS PASSED
. NEXT UP IS FILE ITEM 11 83 39
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IRWIN. I'M
RECOMMENDING AN AYE VOTE.
MOTIONS DO PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS EMOTION IN A
SECOND. MOTION MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAYSON, A
SECOND BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WALLACE. MISS HIGHLAND, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL ON A B 339. THE
MOTION IS DUE PAST TWO
APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN IRWIN, I,
WALLACE WALLACE. I BEANS THINGS
I GRAYSON AND I, PACHECO CHICO,
I JIM PATERSON, PATERSON. I
PETRIE-NORRIS PETRIE-NORRIS.
AYE. THREE OF US THREE OF US I
TALK TO VALENCIA, VALENCIA
EISENBERG WILL PASS IS 11 0 11
TO 0, UM, FILE ITEM 12. A B 441
BY HALEY HAS BEEN PULLED BY THE
AUTHOR FILE ITEM 13 85 56 BY
ASSEMBLY MEMBER. GALLAGHER WE
WILL FIRST ADOPT A URGENCY
CLAUSE FOR THIS MEASURE MEASURE
. DO I HAVE A MOTION IN THE
SECOND ON THE URGENCY? MOTION BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PETRIE-NORRIS
SECOND BY A MEMBER
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WALLACE. UM,
MISS HIGHLAND, PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. ON A B 555 ON THE URGENCY.
IRWIN IRWIN, I, WALLACE WALLACE.
I BEANS THINGS I GRAYSON GRACE
AND I PACHECO CHICO I PATERSON
PATERSON. AYE. PETRIE-NORRIS
PETRIE-NORRIS. AYE THREE OF US
THREE OF US I TALK TO TÂM
VALENCIA. VALENCIA I SUPERB,
SUPERB URGENCY HAS BEEN ADOPTED
. THAT VOTE IS 11 0. THE URGENCY
HAS BEEN ADOPTED. NOW WE'RE
VOTING ON THE MEASURE. I'M
RECOMMENDING AN AYE VOTE ON THE
MOTIONS DO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS TO HAVE EMOTION.
A SECOND. WASHING. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER. SHAKE OH MOTIONS AND
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PETRIE-NORRIS
SECONDS. MISS HIGHLAND, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. ON THE 556 TO
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. Dð
PASSES AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
. IRWIN BY I. WALLACE. WHAT WAS
I BEANS? I A GRAYSON GRAYSON!
CHICO CHICO I, JIM PATTERSON.
PATERSON I PETRIE-NORRIS
PETRIE-NORRIS. AYE. THREE OF US
THREE OF US I TO TÂM VALENCIA.
ONCE YOUR EYES SUPERB, SUPER ARE
THAT PASSES 11 11 0. THAT BILL
IS OUT. NEXT. WE ARE VOTING ON
FILE ITEM 14 A V 10 93 JIM
PATTERSON THE CHAIRS
RECOMMENDING AN AYE VOTE MOTIONS
DO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS MOTION
A SECOND. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WALLACE SECONDED BY ASSEMBLY
MEMBER TO MISS HIGHLAND, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. ON A B 10 93. THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN EVERYONE I
, WALLACE WALLACE, I BEANS PAINS
I GRAYSON GRAYSON, I PACHECO HØI
JIM PATTERSON. JIM PATERSON. I
PETRIE-NORRIS PETRIE-NORRIS
EYELESS RIVAS RIVAS. I TALK. TO
I'VE VALENCIA ONCE YOUR EYES
SUPERB SPERM I THAT WILL PASS IS
11 11 0 THAT BILL HAS PASSED.
NEXT UP IS FILE ITEM 15 80 10 97
BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S THREE OF US
THE CHAIRS RECOMMENDING AN EYE
AND THE MOTIONS DO PASS THROUGH
APPROPRIATIONS TO HAVE EMOTION
IN A SECOND. UH WHO WAS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TOP MOVES. THE
BILL AND SECOND WAS
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S BURMA'S
HIGHLAND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
ON A B 10 97. THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN
IRWIN, I, WALLACE, LET'S I BEANS
, BEANS, I GRAYSON AND I, CHICO
CHECK OUT OUR JIM PATTERSON
PATERSON, I PETRIE-NORRIS NURSE
. I THREE OF US THREE OF US I
TAW. TOP VALENCIA. VALENCIA
EISENBERG THAT 11 0. THE BILL
HAS PASSED A B, UH 11 28 FILE
ITEMS 16 BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
SANTIAGO THE CHAIRS RECOMMENDING
I VOTE MOTIONS DO PASS TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. DO I
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? AH!
OKAY AS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PACHECO
MOTIONS. THE SECOND FIVE
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S PETRIE-NORRIS
MISS HIGHLAND, PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON A B 11 28. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
IRWIN IRWIN, I, WALLACE I BEANS
I GRAYSON GRACE AND I PACHECO
CHICO, I. PATERSON JIM. JIM
PATTERSON. I PETRIE-NORRIS
PETRIE-NORRIS. AYE THREE OF US
RIVAS I TALK TO ABSTAIN.
VALENCIA. VALENCIA I SUBURB
WHERE I THAT'S 10 0 10 0. THAT
BILL HAS PASSED FILE ITEMS 17 80
14 98 GIBSON AH THE CHAIR IS
RECOMMENDING AND I VOTE. THE
MOTION IS DO PASS. THIS AMENDED
TO THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE
TO ADDRESS TECHNICAL ISSUES
RAISED IN THE ANALYSIS. DO I
HAVE EMOTION IN A SECOND? ALL
RIGHT. UH THE BILL IS MOVED BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S OF OUR SECONDED
BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER LUCIDLY. THIS
IS HIGHLAND. PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. ON A B 14 98. THE MOTION
IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN IRWIN, I,
WALLACE WALLACE, I BEANS MEANS I
GRAYSON, GRAYSON, DÍAS CHICO
CHICO. AYE. JIM PATERSON,
PATERSON. I PETRIE-NORRIS. THE
NURSE. I THREE OF US LUZ RIVAS I
TO ABSTAIN. VALENCIA. ONCE YOUR
EYES ZIPPER. FOR EITHER 10 0 10
0. THAT BILL HAS PASSED. FILE
ITEM. 18 80 15 HUNDREDS BY
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IRWIN WE FIRST
HAVE TO ADOPT AN URGENCY CLAUSE
FOR THIS MEASURE MOTION AND A
SECOND ON THE URGENCY. MOTION BY
ASSEMBLY MEMBER AND THE SECOND
FIVE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TALK
THAILAND, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MAYBE 1500 ON THE URGENCY. IRWIN
IRWIN, I WALLACE. I BEANS, BEANS
. I GRAYSON GRAYSON. I'VE CHICO
CHICO, ARJUN PATTERSON. PATERSON
I PETRIE-NORRIS PETRIE-NORRIS.
AYE RIVAS. THREE OF US I TALK.
TOP I'VE VALENCIA. ONCE YOUR
EYES WORK. THAT'S ADOPTED 11 0
THAT IS ADOPTED 11 TO 0 AND NOW
VOTING ON THE MEASURE. THE CHAIR
IS RECOMMENDING, AND I VOTE ON
THIS MEASURE AND THE MOTIONS DO
PASS AS AMENDED TO THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. DR
MOTION IN A SECOND. SECOND A
MOTION BY ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S OF
HER SECOND FLIGHT.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S THREE OF US
HIGHLAND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ON A B 1500. THE MOTION IS TO
PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS IRWIN ONE. I
WALLACE, WELL AS I BEANS THINGS
I GRAYSON GRACE AND I CHICO
CHICO. AYE. JIM PATTERSON. IN
PATERSON. I PETRIE-NORRIS.
PETRIE-NORRIS AYE THREE OF US
THREE OF US I TAR VALENCIA.
VALENCIA I SUBURB I LOVE ZERO.
THAT BILL IS OUT LAST ONE FILE
ITEM 19 A B 17 65 THE COMMITTEE
BILL. AH! UM I'M RECOMMENDING,
AND I VOTE MOTIONS DO PASS TO
THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE DO
HAVE EMOTION IN A SECOND.
ALRIGHT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GRAYSON
MOTIONS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
PETRIE-NORRIS SECONDS MISS
HIGHLAND, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
ON A B 17 65. THE MOTION IS
PASSED TO APPROPRIATIONS. IRWIN
IRWIN, I, WALLACE WALLACE, I
BEANS THINGS ARE A GRAYSON GRACE
AND I CHICO CHICO I JIM
PATTERSON. JIM PATTERSON,
PETRIE-NORRIS PETRIE-NORRIS
THREE OF US. THREE OF US I TA
VALENCIA, VALENCIA EISENBERG.
THAT'S 11 0 11 0. THAT BILL HAS
PASSED HAVING COMPLETED ALL
BUSINESS ON OUR AGENDA. THIS
COMMITTEE IS ADJOURNED. THANK
YOU, EVERYBODY.