GOOD AFTERNOON. TODAY'S HEARING
, WE WILL BE FOCUSED ON MAY
REVISION PROPOSALS. MANY OF THE
MAYOR REVISION PROPOSALS ARE
TECHNICAL CHANGES TO PROGRAMS
WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AND
ONGOING PROGRAMS, RE
APPROPRIATIONS EXTENSIONS OR
UPDATES ON ESTIMATES IN THE
JANUARY GOVERNOR IN THE IN THE
GOVERNOR'S JANUARY BUDGET,
TODAY'S HEARING WILL BE FOCUSED
ON NEW PROPOSALS AND ANY
PROPOSALS THAT OFFER SIGNIFICANT
CHANGES. WE WILL NOT BE TAKING
ANY VOTES TODAY, AND PUBLIC
COMMENT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN
PERSON AND OVER THE PHONE AT THE
END OF THE HEARING. BEFORE WE
BEGIN WITH PANELS. I'D LIKE TO
PROVIDE A FEW REMARKS AND OPEN
IT UP TO MY COLLEAGUES AS WELL.
OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, WE'VE
HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS A
WIDE ARRAY OF BUDGET AND
OVERSIGHT ISSUES TO HIGHLIGHT
THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE
JURISDICTION THAT THE
SUBCOMMITTEE HAS, AT TIMES THE
GAPS AND INEQUITIES WE SEE IN
THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, THE SOCIAL
SAFETY NET MENTAL HEALTH AND
HEALTH ACCESS THE HOUSING CRISIS
EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. OFTEN
LEAD TO ISSUES COVERED BY THE
SUBCOMMITTEE. THE JUSTICE SYSTEM
IS A COMPLICATED PLACE THAT
CAN'T SIMPLY BE BOILED DOWN. BY
PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES. IF WE
ARE TO TRULY ADDRESS CRIME AND
VICTIMIZATION, WE HAVE TO ASK
THE WHAT THE WHY AND HOW WE GO
TO THE LAST STOP IN SOCIETY,
WHICH IS INCARCERATION. WHAT WE
DO BEFORE AND AFTER WE GET TO
THAT POINT CAN MAKE ALL OF THE
DIFFERENCE. I WANT TO THANK THE
ADMINISTRATION FOR HEARING THE
CALLS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WHEN
WE ASKED FOR THE RESTORATION OF
THE COST OF FUNDING. BUT WE ALSO
NEED TO DO MORE. BUDGET
CONSTRAINTS REQUIRE THE UTMOST
PRUDENCE IN OUR SPENDING
DECISIONS, BUT I WOULD CAUTION
THAT A BLANKET RULE TO PULL BACK
INVESTMENTS IN THE SHORT TERM
CAN HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
IN THE LONG TERM, PARTICULARLY
AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
FUNDING TO SUPPORT INDIGENT
DEFENSE AND COMMUNITY BASED
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING
SHOULD CONTINUE SO WE DON'T
IRREPARABLY LOSE THE MOMENTUM
THAT WE'VE GAINED AND ON THE
FLIP SIDE, MAINTAINING
UNNECESSARY SPENDING AT THE
EXPENSE OF VITAL PROGRAMS FOR
THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA IS
IRRESPONSIBLE. I WAS
DISAPPOINTED. WE DIDN'T SEE ANY
PROPOSALS TO ADDRESS PRISON
CAPACITY DESPITE THE FORECAST OF
20,000 EMPTY BEDS IN THE NEAR
FUTURE, EVEN AFTER ALL OF THE
PLANNED PRISON CLOSURES TAKE
EFFECT. WE HAVE A FEW MORE WEEKS
TO SORT THESE ISSUES OUT, AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
THIS COMMITTEE AND THIS
ADMINISTRATION AND THE
LEGISLATURE ON OUR SHARED GOALS.
MR LADUE, YOU HAVE ANY WORDS FOR
US RIGHT NOW? WE WERE THANK YOU.
WE WILL HEAR NOW FROM THE YELLOW
AND THE OVERALL REVENUE PICTURE.
THANK YOU DREW SODERBERGH,
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S OFFICE, SO
I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A BRIEF
OVERVIEW OF OUR OFFICE. DATES UM
, REVENUES AND THE BUDGET
SITUATION. OUR OFFICES,
PROJECTING LOWER REVENUES THAN
ARE ESTIMATED BY THE
ADMINISTRATION. AND AS A RESULT,
WE'RE ESTIMATING A $10 BILLION
LARGER BUDGET PROBLEM.
ACCORDINGLY OUR OFFICE IS
RECOMMENDING THAT THE
LEGISLATURE REJECT WITHOUT
PREJUDICE ALL NEW DISCRETIONARY
SPENDING PROPOSALS UNLESS
THERE'S A NEXUS TO IMMEDIATE
HEALTH AND SAFETY NEEDS. WE NOTE
THAT EVEN AFTER TAKING THIS STEP
THE LEGISLATURE WOULD NEED TO
IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL SOLUTIONS
BEYOND THAT, UM, AND AS A
RESULT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS
VIEW OF THE BUDGET HAS INFORMED
A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT WE'VE MADE TODAY. HAPPY TO
TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT,
OR WE CAN MOVE ON. THANK YOU AT
THIS TIME. I THINK WE'LL JUST
MOVE ON WITH OUR PRESENTATIONS
AND HEARING OF OUR FIRST ITEMS.
MR HART WILL TAKE OVER
MOMENTARILY, BUT I DID WANT TO
START US WITH TALKING ABOUT
ISSUE ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS
A CENT QUENTIN REHABILITATION
CENTER PROPOSAL.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY
NAME IS DAVE LEWIS. I'M THE
DIRECTOR OF CITY PLANNING
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND
REHABILITATION. ON MARCH 17TH,
THE GOVERNOR HELD A PRESS
CONFERENCE TO PRESENT AN
AMBITIOUS PLAN AT SAN QUENTIN TO
ADDRESS UH THE CALIFORNIA MODEL
AND BEGIN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
CALIFORNIA MODEL AT SAN QUENTIN
, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTING AN
EDUCATION AND VOCATIONAL
EDUCATION CENTER AT SAN QUENTIN.
THE ADMINISTRATION AT THIS TIME
IS PROPOSING. UM UH, HIS HAS
SUBMITTED A BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR
$360.5 MILLION AT LEAST REVENUE
FINANCING TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION
AND ADDITIONALLY, UM SOME
TRAILER BUILD LANGUAGE TO ALLOW
, UM, PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILD
TO BE THE METHOD TO CONSTRUCT.
AND ALSO SOME SEQUENCE
EXEMPTIONS AND OTHER TRAILER
BILL TO IMPLEMENT THE PROPOSAL.
UM UH, THE ON MAY 5TH, THE
GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED THE ADVISORY
COUNCIL, UM, THAT HE MENTIONED
IN HIS WORDS WHEN HE SPOKE AT
SAN QUENTIN, THAT WE WILL GUIDE
OUR PROPOSALS GOING FORWARD AND
PROVIDE SPECIFICS AS TO HOW THE
BUILDING WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND
WHAT WILL BE CONTAINED IN THE
BUILDING. IN ADDITION, THE
ADMINISTRATION IS PROPOSING
ANOTHER IT IS, UM SPECIFYING
THAT THE $20 MILLION PREVIOUSLY
PROPOSED IN THE BUDGET WILL BE
USED TO BEGIN PRELIMINARY PLANS
ON OTHER PROPOSALS RELATED TO
WHAT THE ADVISORY COUNCIL
RECOMMENDS, UM THESE GOALS ARE
VERY AMBITIOUS FOR THE
DEPARTMENT TO BEGIN IMPLEMENTING
THE CALIFORNIA MODEL. UM. UM
THESE ARE THE YOU KNOW,
BEGINNING TO IMPLEMENT THE
VISION OF TRANSFORMING SAN
QUENTIN, UM FROM THE CURRENT
CURRENT INSTITUTION, WHICH IS
HAS A HIGH SECURITY MISSION
RELATED TO THE POPULATION THAT
IS HOUSED THERE AND BEGIN TO
IMPLEMENT A MODEL THAT ALLOWS
FOR PROGRAMMING FOR ALL INMATES
THAT ARE INCARCERATED AT SAN
QUENTIN. AND CHANGES THE MODEL
FROM ITS TRADITIONAL MISSION.
UM, I'LL. IN ADDITION TO THE
PHYSICAL CHANGES THAT WE ARE
PROPOSING FOR SAN QUENTIN.
ADDITIONALLY THE ADVISORY
COUNCIL WILL RECOMMEND
PROGRAMMING AND OTHER CULTURAL
CHANGES THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO
IMPLEMENT THE GOVERNOR'S VISION
AS WELL. THANK YOU. WE'LL HEAR
FROM L A OH, NOW. THANK YOU,
CAITLIN O'NEIL WITH THE
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S OFFICE. WE
FIND THAT WHILE THE GOALS OF THE
CALIFORNIA MODEL ARE LAUDABLE,
IT CURRENTLY HAS NO CLEAR
OBJECTIVES OR SPECIFIC PLANS TO
MEET THOSE GOALS. AND WITHOUT
THIS INFORMATION, IT'S DIFFICULT
FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO DETERMINE
WHETHER THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSALS
REFLECT THE MOST EFFECTIVE
APPROACH TO DEVELOPING THE
CALIFORNIA MODEL, INCLUDING
WHETHER THE MODEL SHOULD BE
FIRST IMPLEMENTED AT SAN QUENTIN
OR ELSEWHERE. WE ALSO FIND THAT
THE FUNDING PROPOSALS LACK KEY
INFORMATION. SPECIFICALLY THE
SCOPE OF CONSTRUCTION AND
OPERATIONAL IMPLICATIONS OF THE
PROPOSED PROJECTS ARE VIRTUALLY
ENTIRELY UNDETERMINED AT THIS
POINT, YET THE ADMINISTRATION IS
REQUESTING FUNDING NOW FOR THE
FULL COST OF THE PROJECTS,
INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION. AND THIS
MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THE
LEGISLATURE LIKE LEGISLATURE TO
ASSESS WHERE THE WEATHER THE
PROJECTS WOULD FURTHER THE GOALS
OF THE CALIFORNIA MODEL OR EVEN
TO CONFIRM THAT, UM THAT THE
PROJECTS WON'T ULTIMATELY
CONTAIN SOME ELEMENTS THAT THE
LEGISLATURE DISAGREES WITH, SUCH
AS, FOR EXAMPLE, DECISIONS ABOUT
ELIGIBILITY OR THE TYPE OF
PROGRAMS BEING ON OR ACTIVITIES
TAKING PLACE IN THESE
FACILITIES. GIVEN THAT THE
OPERATIONAL IMPLICATIONS ARE NOT
CLEAR AT THIS POINT. IT'S ALSO
NOT CLEAR WHAT THE OPERATIONAL
COSTS OF THESE FACILITIES WILL
BE. SO THAT INCLUDES THIS
SECURITY STAFFING COSTS THE COST
OF THE PROGRAMMING THAT YOU KNOW
WE'RE ACTIVITIES THAT WILL TAKE
PLACE IN THESE FACILITIES. AND
GIVEN THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THE
LEGISLATURE COULD FIND THAT THE
FULL OPERATIONAL COSTS WOULD BE
TOO HIGH RELATIVE TO WHATEVER
BENEFITS THE FACILITIES
GENERATE. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE
SENSE TO CONSTRUCT FACILITIES
BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE CAN
CONFIRM IT'S COMFORTABLE WITH
THE OPERATIONAL COSTS. IN
ADDITION, WE FIND THAT THE
PROPOSED PROJECT COMPLETION BY
2025 IS UNNECESSARY AND
PROBLEMATIC. IT'S UNNECESSARY
BECAUSE IT LACKS A CLEAR POLICY
RATIONALE, AND IT'S PROBLEMATIC
FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT
REASONS, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO
DISCUSS MORE IN DETAIL, BUT AS
AN EXAMPLE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT
THE ADVISORY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE
TO REACH DECISIONS BY AROUND
SEPTEMBER SOMETIME IN THE FALL
IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO INFORM
THE DESIGN OF THE EDUCATIONAL
AND VOCATIONAL CENTER, WHICH
PUTS A PRETTY TIGHT TIMELINE ON
THIS COUNCIL TO, UH MEANINGFULLY
GATHER STAKEHOLDER INPUT REVIEW
THE RESEARCH, CONSULT EXPERTS
AND, YOU KNOW PRACTITIONERS FROM
OTHER STATES, ETCETERA. AND TO
REACH MEANINGFUL, UM, THOUGHTFUL
DECISIONS. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND
THAT EVEN GIVEN THAT TIMELINE,
THE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE TO
BEGIN SOME DESIGN ACTIVITIES
BEFORE THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS
REACHED ITS RECOMMENDATIONS OR
ADVISORY COUNCIL. EXCUSE ME. AND
FINALLY WE FIND THAT THESE
FACILITY PROJECTS WOULD BE
EXTREMELY COSTLY TO SCALE. THE
GOVERNOR'S PROPOSED $360 MILLION
LEASE REVENUE BOND, UM, PROJECT
TO BUILD A EDUCATIONAL AND
VOCATIONAL WHERE CENTER WOULD
COST AROUND 25 MILLION GENERAL
FUND IN ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE FOR
25 YEARS. UM AT A TOTAL COST OF
AROUND 680 MILLION JUST FOR THAT
PROJECT. OVER THE LIFE OF THE
PAYMENTS. AND IF THE STATE WERE
TO COMPLETE SIMILAR PROJECTS AT
ALL 30 PRISONS NOT PLANNED FOR
DEACTIVATION. WE ESTIMATE THAT
THE COST COULD BE OVER 800
MILLION IN A IN ANNUAL
ADDITIONAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS
FOR 25 YEARS AT A TOTAL COST OF
AROUND 20 BILLION OVER THE 25
YEARS OF PAYMENTS. THIS WOULD BE
A SIGNIFICANT FISCAL COMMITMENT
THAT APPEARS TO RUN COUNTER TO
THE LEGISLATIVE INTEREST IN
CURBING THE GROWTH OF PRISON
SPENDING AND REALLY, REALLY
RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHETHER THIS MODEL WOULD BE
SCALABLE. SO WE RECOMMEND IN
VIEW OF THESE CONCERNS THAT THE
LEGISLATURE REJECT THE
GOVERNOR'S FACILITY
MODIFICATIONS AND RELATED
STATUTORY CHANGES. UM HOWEVER,
GIVEN THE ADMINISTRATION'S
PLANNED EFFORTS, UM AND THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ADVISORY
COUNCIL WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO HAVE KEY
INFORMATION ON THESE EFFORTS TO
DETERMINE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT
OF THE MODEL IS PROGRESSING IN A
WAY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH
LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND TO
ENSURE THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS
KEY INFORMATION. UM IN THE EVENT
THAT FUTURE BUDGET PROPOSALS OR
POLICY CHANGES COME BEFORE THE
LEGISLATURE. AND SO WE WOULD
RECOMMEND THE LEGISLATURE DIRECT
THE ADMINISTRATION TO SUBMIT A
REPORT BY JANUARY 10 2024 TO
REQUIRE THE ADMINISTRATION TO
MORE FULLY DEVELOPED THE MODEL
ESSENTIALLY TAKE THE STEPS THAT
WE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO SEE.
UNDERLYING THIS PROPOSAL. UM. TO
ESSENTIALLY FLESH OUT. WHAT ARE
THE OBJECTIVES OF THE MODEL? HOW
DID HOW WOULD THOSE OBJECTIVES
FURTHER? THE GOALS OF THE MODEL
AND HOW HOW ARE THE TRADE OFFS,
WEIGHT AND DETERMINING THOSE
OBJECTIVES? UM IN ADDITION TO
PROVIDE A STRATEGY FOR HOW THE
MODEL WOULD BE DEVELOPED, UM, SO
THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD
ESSENTIALLY EXPLAIN, UM, TO THE
EXTENT IT'S PARTICULARLY PICKING
A PARTICULAR PRISON TO PILOT OR
DEVELOP A MODEL AT WHY THAT
PRISON MAKES SENSE, UM, AS WELL
AS ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE
CONSIDERED AND WHY ULTIMATELY,
THE STRATEGY IT THINKS THE
STRATEGY WOULD YIELD A MODEL
THAT IS EFFECTIVE AND IN
ACHIEVING THEIR OBJECTIVES AND
SCALABLE. UM AND FINALLY, WE
WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS REPORT
SHOULD PROVIDE INFORMATION ON
HOW CDCR INVOLVES STAKEHOLDERS
IN THE PROCESS OF SETTING THE
OBJECTIVES AND DEVELOPING A
STRATEGY TO BUILD A MODEL. AND
THEN WE WOULD NOTE THAT IN
REQUIRING THE ADMINISTRATION TO
PREPARE THIS REPORT, THE
LEGISLATURE COULD SPECIFY KEY
ELEMENTS THAT IT WANTS TO ENSURE
ARE PART OF THESE. UM, THESE
ACTIVITIES SUCH AS DIRECTING THE
ADMINISTRATION TO CONSULT WITH
CERTAIN STAKEHOLDERS SUCH AS
CURRENTLY INCARCERATED PEOPLE
LOVED ONES HAVE INCARCERATED
PEOPLE AND FRONTLINE STAFF. UM
AND THEN WITH THIS REPORT, THE
LEGISLATURE, UM, COULD DECIDE
WHETHER IT'S INTERESTED IN
PURSUING THE FURTHER PURSUING
THE OBJECTIVES OF THE CALIFORNIA
MODEL. UM AS WELL AS WHETHER IT
WOULD WANT TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION SUCH AS TIMELINE FOR
DEVELOPMENT OF THE MODEL COST,
ETCETERA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
WILL HEAR FROM D O F NOW. YES.
SALLY LUGINBILL DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE. MR LEWIS PROVIDED A
NICE SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSALS
THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TODAY, SO I
HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD TO
THOSE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, BUT
I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS
YOU MIGHT HAVE. I DON'T KNOW
THAT MR LEWIS ACTUALLY PROVIDED
ANY SUBSTANTIVE. INFORMATION IN
ALL DUE RESPECT THAT WOULD ALLOW
US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AH, A SELF
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THIS
PROPOSAL IS. UM I WAS DEFINITELY
EXPECTING, UH A LOT MORE DETAIL
TO THE PROPOSAL AT THE MAIN
REVISION, AND I UNDERSTAND THE
TIME CONSTRAINTS THAT YOU ARE
UNDER, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR
THE SUBCOMMITTEE AS WE WERE TOLD
TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE.
INADEQUATE DISCUSSION ABOUT
THIS, UM AND ASIDE FROM THE
ESTIMATED DOLLAR AMOUNTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE LEAST
REVENUE BONDS, I DON'T KNOW THAT
WE HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION
TO GO ON AT THIS POINT, SO I'LL
JUST MAYBE ASK SOME QUESTIONS
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME
UH, RESPONSES. IS THERE MORE
DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF THE COSTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT? UM
OUR DIRECTION IS TO TAKE ALL OF
WITH THE ADVISORY COUNCIL
PRESENTS TO US AND USE THAT TO
DEVELOP THE SCOPE. UM AS SUCH, I
COULD PRESENT YOU HOW THE
NUMBERS WERE DEVELOPED, BUT IT
MAY NOT REFLECT WITH THE FINAL
SCOPE IS THAT THE ADVISORY
COUNCIL PRESENTS TO US THAT
WOULD, UM, INFORM WHAT THE
ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION WOULD
ENTAIL. SO KIND OF. LEAVES US
DIFFICULT SPOT, UM, DUE TO THE
ADVISORY COUNCIL JUST BEING
FORMED AND THEY ARE DIRECTION IS
THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE US THE
ULTIMATE SCOPE OF WHAT WILL BE
INCLUDED IN THE PROJECTS. SO
LET'S DIG IN A LITTLE BIT, THEN
TO THIS ADVISORY COUNCIL THAT
VERY MANY RESPECTED MEMBERS OF
OUR COMMUNITY AND THE UM.
CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM
COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN THE
ADVISORY COUNCIL. SO, UH, NOT
QUESTIONING AT ALL THAT WE HAVE
THE EXPERTISE TO BE ABLE TO DO
THIS. I AM CURIOUS, THOUGH,
ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS
ADVISORY BODY. WILL THEY BE
PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS? WILL
THEY BE IN THE FORM OF A PUBLIC
REPORT? WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS
OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS? WHAT HAS
BEEN THEIR CHARGE IN TERMS OF
DEVELOPING RECOMMENDATIONS? AS
YOU UNDERSTAND IT? I DO NOT KNOW
WHAT SPECIFIC DIRECTION THEY
HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AS FAR AS
WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO WORK ON.
WE INTEND TO WORK VERY CLOSELY
WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THEIR
ENTIRE PROCESS THERE, THEN SENT
HIS PATED THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE A
PUBLIC REPORT. AT THE END OF
THIS CALENDAR YEAR THAT WILL BE
ABLE TO INFORM A LOT OF THESE
DECISIONS. UM BUT WE INTEND TO
WORK WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THIS
ENTIRE PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN
MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING ANY
INFORMATION OR ANY IDEAS THAT
THEY HAVE ARE GATHERED AND
INCLUDED IN WHATEVER THE
ULTIMATE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT
IS, UM, AND AS I SAID, UM, AT
THIS TIME, THAT'S THE REASON WHY
THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT HAVE A LOT
OF DETAIL ON SCOPE. BECAUSE THEN
PATIENT IS THAT THE ADVISORY
COUNCIL WILL PROVIDE ALL OF THAT
DIRECTION TO US, SO WE DON'T
HAVE DETAILS ON THE SPECIFIC
PROPOSAL. WE KNOW THAT WE'VE
JUST BEEN TOLD THAT WE ACTUALLY
DON'T EVEN KNOW THE CHARGE OR
THE SCOPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT THE ADVISORY COUNCIL WILL
BE PROVIDING US. AH WHAT DO YOU
ANTICIPATE IS THE ROLE OF THE
LEGISLATURE IN THIS PROCESS? UM
. I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO
THAT QUESTION. UM,
UNFORTUNATELY. I JUST WANT TO BE
CLEAR THAT I DON'T THINK THAT
THE ROLE OF THE LEGISLATURE IS
TO GREEN LIGHT. A PROPOSAL
WITHOUT ANY ABILITY TO BE ABLE
TO WEIGH IN ON THE DESIGN, THE
SCOPE OF THE ADVISORY COUNCIL
AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
COME FORWARD OR EVEN TO BE ABLE
TO HAVE INFORMATION SHARED BACK.
ABOUT EITHER OF THOSE THINGS
RELATED TO THE PROPOSAL. UM. I
DO KNOW THAT THIS BUDGET
COMMITTEE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY
TO STEWARD THE DOLLARS AND HAVE
OVERSIGHT OVER THE ACTIVITIES
RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY. AND
CDCR. THIS THIS PROPOSAL
CERTAINLY FALLS UNDER THAT. UM.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD
REQUIRE A VOTE OF THIS. BODY TO
RECOMMEND OR THE BUDGET
COMMUNITY TO RECOMMEND. APPROVAL
OF THIS BUDGET OUTLAY, WHICH I
THINK AS ARTICULATED IS THAT 360
MILLION 3600.5. DOLLARS RIGHT
NOW. SO I WILL STOP MY QUESTION
BEING RIGHT THERE. I DON'T KNOW
MR LACKEY OR MR HART, IF YOU
HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
NOT SURE I'LL GET ANSWERS, BUT
I'M GONNA TRY ANYWAYS. I DO
CONCUR WITH THE ALL OF THE
CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE CHAIR
AND EL ARCO. THIS IS, UH VERY
PERPLEXING QUITE TRUTHFULLY. UM
. I TRY NOT TO CONSIDER
INSULTING, BUT IT'S CLOSE. UM
WHY DOES THE PROJECT NEED TO BE
COMPLETED BY 2025? CONFUSED BY
THE URGENCY ON THIS MEASURE,
ESPECIALLY IN THE DEFICIT YEAR.
WE JUST WE HAD TO FIGHT FOR CAS
OF MONEY. BUT YET WE SEEM TO
HAVE PLENTY FOR THIS. I'M
CONFUSED BY THAT. SHOULD I NOT
BE? UM OUR DIRECTION BY FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION IS TO PROPOSED TO
PROVIDE A PROPOSAL THAT
COMPLETES THIS CONSTRUCTION BY
2025. CLEARLY THAT'S A VERY
AMBITIOUS GOAL THAT SETS ALL
THAT NEEDS TO BE SET IN MOTION
VERY QUICKLY TO BE ACHIEVED. UM
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE
PROPOSED THE PROPOSAL THAT WE
PUT BEFORE YOU IS THE DIRECTION
WAS TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT BY
2025. OKAY I ALSO LIKE TO ADD
SOME COMMENTS RELATED TO YOUR
QUESTION ON THE $360 MILLION
PROPOSAL AND THE TIMING OF THAT
IN A BUDGET DEFICIT PERIOD, SO
THE WITH LEAST REVENUE BOND
FINANCING. UM IT'S REALLY JUST
AUTHORITY THAT'S BEING PROVIDED.
AT THIS TIME, AND SO, UM WHAT?
WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO THIS
IS THROUGH THE STATE PUBLIC
WORKS BOARD. UM WE WOULD TAKE ON
AN INTERIM LOAN EITHER THROUGH
THE TREASURES PULLED MONEY
INVESTMENT BORDER THROUGH THE
GENERAL FUND, AND THAT WOULD
FUND THE PROJECT UNTIL IT'S
AVAILABLE FOR OCCUPANCY. SO UH,
A COUPLE OF YEAR TO TWO YEARS.
IN THIS CASE 2.5 YEARS IN THIS
CASE UM, SO THERE'S NO ACTUAL
OUTLAY OF FUNDS. FOR ANOTHER
THREE YEARS, PERHAPS I JUST WANT
TO BE CLEAR ON BUT IT IS A
TAKING ON DEBT. CORRECT YES. SO
IT WOULD BE AUTHORIZING DEBT FOR
PROJECT WHICH WE KNOW NOTHING
ABOUT. IT STILL HAS TO BE
BUDGETED NONETHELESS. RIGHT? AND
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S IT'S AN
AMBIGUOUS ANSWER. BUT IT'S THE
BEST YOU COULD DO. AND I
APPRECIATE AT LEAST THE ATTEMPT.
UM WHY ARE THERE NO LEGISLATIVE
APPOINTMENTS ON THIS ADVISORY
COUNCIL? ARE WE THAT
INSIGNIFICANT? APPARENTLY, WE
MIGHT BE I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE
COMPILATION COMPOSITION OF THE
ADVISORY COUNCIL. OKAY? AS I
THOUGHT. THERE'S JUST HAVE A LOT
OF QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW
THAT YOU'LL BE IN A POSITION TO
ANSWER. MANY OF THEM. I MEAN,
SAN QUENTIN HAS A MASSIVE
CAMPUS. IT'S MASSIVE. AND, YEAH
, WE NEED TO DEMOLISH A
BUILDING. AT A PRETTY
SUBSTANTIAL COST. CAN YOU HELP
ME UNDERSTAND THAT? THAT
PROPOSAL? UM THE INTENTION, UM,
IS TO NOT EXPAND THE SECURE
PERIMETER OF SAN QUENTIN. UM,
YOU'RE CORRECT. THERE IS A
LARGE, FAIRLY LARGE CAMPUS AT
SAN QUENTIN. BUT FOR PURPOSES OF
ALLOWING COMPLETE ACCESS TO THE
PROGRAM, YOU NEED TO STAY WITHIN
THE SECURE PERIMETER. SO YOU'RE
NOT TRYING TO MOVE PEOPLE IN AND
OUT OF HIS CELL REPORTS, SO
THAT'S WHY THIS PARTICULAR
LOCATION WAS CHOSEN. IN ADDITION
FOR ERNMENT INTEREST OF SPIRIT
OF CONSTRUCTION. AND MOST OF
WHAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE
EXISTING SECURE PERIMETER WOULD
REQUIRE APPROVAL FROM COASTAL
COMMISSION AND OTHER ENTITIES
JUST DUE TO THE LOCATION. OKAY
I'LL JUST END WITH THIS. I FIND
IT TO BE VERY DISTURBING THAT
WE'RE FOLLOWING A PATHWAY WHERE
WE'RE BEING ASKED TO FUND FIRST
AND ANSWERS WILL COME LATER. I
FIND THAT TO BE NOT THE MOST
RESPONSIBLE PATH. AND I FIND IT
DISTURBING. THANK YOU. I, UH I
CONCUR. WITH MY COLLEAGUE, MR
LACKEY ABOUT THE LEVEL OF UH
HUH. CONCERN THAT I HAVE, UM.
I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE
PROSPECT OF THE CALIFORNIA MODEL
. I WANT TO THANK YOU, DIRECTOR
LOUIS FOR BEING HERE AND QUITE
FRANKLY, I AM BUT GUYS, A GREAT
DEAL WITH YOUR HAVING TO PRESENT
NON INFORMATION TO THIS BODY AND
TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE. UM I'M
SORRY THAT YOU WERE MADE TO BE
IN THAT POSITION, QUITE FRANKLY
, BUT I KNOW THAT WE ARE IN THE
POSITION OF MAKING SURE THAT WE
CAN ACTUALLY ENSURE THAT
TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE SPENT FOR
THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A
SUBSTANTIVE PLAN PROPOSAL THAT
WE HAVE, UH, AWARENESS OF THE
CONSEQUENCES. OPPORTUNITY COSTS
ASSOCIATED WITH A SIGNIFICANT
CAPITAL OUTLAY. AND THAT WE ARE
DOING THAT IN A BALANCED WAY
THAT ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT WE ARE
SPENDING 750 MILLION TO A
BILLION DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO
SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR BEDS
THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED
ANYMORE IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. SO UH, I STAND STILL
DULY CONCERNED, VERY SUPPORTIVE
OF THE IDEAL OF THE CALIFORNIA
MODEL. AND WOULD DEFINITELY UH,
REQUIRE. A LOT MORE INFORMATION
ABOUT HOW TO BE ABLE TO MOVE
THIS FORWARD. I APPRECIATE
HELIOS RECOMMENDATION AROUND
MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REPORT
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LAY THE
GROUNDWORK THAT WE WOULD NEED IN
ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS
KIND OF ENDEAVOR. AT THIS TIME.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS
THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD. ANY
INFORMATION PROVIDED ABOUT
CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIND OF
PROGRAMMING AND THE EXTENT OF
THAT PROGRAMMING, WHICH
CERTAINLY WOULD HELP US GET IT.
SOME OF THE, UH, REDUCTION OF
RECIDIVISM THAT I THINK EVERYONE
ON THIS COMMITTEE CARES ABOUT
DEEPLY, AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED
ABOUT THE ABILITY TO SCALE THIS
BEYOND. ONE FACILITY, SO I THINK
THERE'S GREAT CONSENSUS THAT WE
HAVE EXTREME CONCERN ABOUT THIS
PROPOSAL AS IT STANDS NOW, BUT I
THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THE
INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE
AVAILABLE TO YOU. THANK YOU.
WILL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER
TWO, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE
POPULATION PRODUCTIONS AND MR
HART WILL BE PRESIDING OVER OUR
MEETING. THANK YOU. CHAIR
BONTEMPI. PLEASE BEGIN. GOOD
EVENING. GOOD AFTERNOON. MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
CHRIS CHAMBERS. I'M THE DEPUTY
DIRECTOR OF CDC. R S OFFICE OF
RESEARCH. TWICE ANNUALLY. MY
GROUP PUTS TOGETHER ADULT AND
PAROLE POPULATION PROJECTIONS.
I'VE BEEN ASKED TODAY TO GIVE
YOU AN OVERVIEW OF OUR SPRING
2023 POPULATION PROJECTIONS. UH
FOR INSTITUTION POPULATION AS OF
TODAY, WE'RE AT 96,279. THE
SPRING 23 POPULATION PROJECTIONS
ANTICIPATE THE INSTITUTION
POPULATION TO EXPERIENCE ANNUAL
DECREASES THROUGHOUT THE
PROJECTION CYCLE. CDCR PREDICTS
ADULT INSTITUTION POPULATION
WILL DECREASE TO 87,957 INMATES
AS OF JUNE 30TH 2027, WHICH IS A
NET FIVE YEAR DECREASE OF NIGHT
9.5% OR 9200, APPROXIMATELY
INMATES. THE SPRING 2023
INSTITUTION. POPULATION
PROJECTIONS ARE SLIGHTLY LOWER
FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF THE
PROJECTION STYLE CYCLE COMPARED
TO THAT OF THE FALL, 2022
POPULATION PROJECTIONS AND THEN
HIRE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE
PROJECTION PERIOD, RANGING FROM
20220.7% TO 3.3% HIGHER. THE
SPRING 23 POPULATION PROJECTIONS
FOLLOW THE SAME DOWNWARD TREND
IS FALL 22 PROJECTIONS, HOWEVER
, THE SPRING 23 PROJECTIONS
ANTICIPATE INSTITUTION
POPULATION TO INCREASE AT A
SLOWER RATE THAN PREDICTED IN
THE FALL OF 2022 PROJECTIONS.
THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SPRING
23 FALL 22 PROJECTIONS FOR THE
FIRST YEAR OF THE PROJECTION
CYCLE OR RELATED TO FEWER
ADMISSIONS TO CDCR THAN
PREVIOUSLY ANTICIPATED. FOR THE
REMAINDER OF THE PROJECTION
CYCLES. DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE
SPRING 23 IN FALL, 22
PROJECTIONS ARE RELATED TO
ADJUSTED ESTIMATED IMPACT OF
EARNED GOOD CONDUCT CREDIT
EARNINGS FOR SOME INMATES. THE
SPRING. 23 PROJECTIONS
INCORPORATE THE UPDATED DATA AND
HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED TO INCLUDE A
SMALLER IMPACT ON INSTITUTION
POPULATION PROJECTIONS. MOVING
INTO PAROLE POPULATION. TODAY'S
PAROLE POPULATION IS 36,588.
CDCR EXPECTS THE ACTIVE PERL
POPULATION WILL DECREASE FROM
43,825 PAROLEES ON JUNE 30TH 22
TO 36,061 PAROLEES AS OF JUNE
30TH 2027 IN THAT FIVE YEAR
DECREASE OF 17.7% OR 77 64
PAROLEES, THE ANTICIPATED
DECREASE IN THE POOR OLD
POPULATION IS RELATED TO CHANGES
TO THE EARNED DISCHARGE POLICY.
AND LINKS OF PAROLE TERMS THAT
WENT INTO EFFECT IN JULY OF
2020. FURTHER THAT I WOULD I
WOULD OFFER THAT OUR FALL
PROJECTION POPULATIONS DID NOT
ANTICIPATE THE FULL IMPACT OF
THE EARNED DISCHARGE POLICY. AND
THAT IS MY SUMMARY. HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM AS PART
OF THE MAY REVISION, THE
ADMINISTRATION INDICATED THEIR
COMMITMENT TO RIGHT SIZE THE
PRISON POPULATION. I APPRECIATE
THAT COMMITMENT, BUT ALSO LIKE
TO TRANSLATE THAT COMMITMENT
INTO ACTION. WE HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO ACT ON THAT
COMMITMENT IN THIS BUDGET.
ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE
SIGNIFICANT SPENDING PRIORITIES
THE ADMINISTRATION HAS
IDENTIFIED LIKE THE SAN QUENTIN
REENTRY CENTER, RIGHT SIZING
CORRECTIONS ALLOWS THE STATE TO
RESPONSIBLY MAKE INVESTMENTS,
BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE
WILL FOSTER PUBLIC CONFIDENCE BY
USING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO
OPERATE IN UP TO 20,000 PRISON
BED, EMPTY PRISON BEDS AT THIS
TIME. ALSO WHILE SPENDING WILL
LIKELY BE A HALF A BILLION
DOLLAR INVESTMENT AT ONE PRISON
FOR A LAUDATORY BUT VERY
EXPENSIVE, UM AND ILL DEFINED
PROJECT AT A MINIMUM, THE
LEGISLATURE WILL NEED TO BE VERY
CLOSELY INVOLVED IN THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPOSAL AND
APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GIVING
US ABOUT THE PRISON POPULATION.
I THINK IT WILL HELP. INFORM OUR
DISCUSSION AND THE AND THE
LEGISLATURE'S REVIEW OF THE
BUDGET. DO ANY MEMBERS HAVE
QUESTIONS? I GUESS I'LL JUST ASK
ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHY DOES UM
CDCR FEEL THAT YOU NEED A 15 TO
20,000 BED CUSHION IN YOUR
OPERATIONS, SO I'M GOING TO
DEFER TO OUR MY PARTNERS AND B
AND B FOR THAT? THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADELEINE MCLEAN
DEPUTY DIRECTOR CDCR. SO AS A
SECRETARY OF MCCUMBER INDICATED
IN OUR HEARING EARLIER THIS YEAR
, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE
LOOKING AT IS KIND OF A
REASSESSMENT OF REHABILITATION
PROGRAMS AND HOW THAT IMPACTS
THE INCARCERATED POPULATION, SO
WE'RE DOING AN ASSESSMENT RIGHT
NOW OF OVERALL SPACE NEEDS TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THE
SPACE WHERE I STUDY T MENTAL
HEALTH PROGRAMMING
REHABILITATIVE PROGRAMMING.
EDUCATIONAL UM, OPPORTUNITIES
FOR THE INCARCERATED SO THAT IS
ONGOING. THE ADMINISTRATION CDCR
. THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE IS
COMMITTED TO RIGHT SIZING THE
PRISON POPULATION, THE PRISON
CAPACITY, BUT WE WANT TO DO THIS
IN KIND OF MORE HOLISTIC
APPROACH. I THINK ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE ALSO WANT TO
CONSIDER IS HOW WE INCORPORATE
ANYTHING THAT WE LEARNED FROM
THE CALIFORNIA MODEL WITHIN THAT
, SO TO THE EXTENT INSTEAD OF
HAVING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN NORWAY,
WHICH IS ONE OF THE BASIS FOR
THE CALIFORNIA MODEL, THE
HOUSING HOUSING UNIT WITH 28, OR
30, INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS HAS
STAFF COMPLEMENT OF ALMOST 1 TO
1, WHEREAS IN A STANDARD HOUSING
UNIT AND CDCR FACILITY HAS ABOUT
132 100. 50 INCARCERATED
INDIVIDUALS TO ONLY TWO STAFF.
SO IT'S MAYBE SPREADING THAT
POPULATION OUT, ADJUSTING THE
STAFFING UPON IT. THAT'S THE
THING IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND SO WHILE WE FULLY
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS WE DO
HAVE, YOU KNOW A DECENT NUMBER
OF EMPTY BEDS. ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT WE WANT TO DO IS TAKE THAT
BIGGER, BROADER LOOK AT THE
PRISON POPULATION AT THE
SERVICES THAT WE'RE OFFERING
BEFORE WE START CLOSING
ADDITIONAL FACILITIES, SO AS
INCLUDED IN THE GOVERNOR'S
BUDGET AND THE BUDGET ACT LAST
YEAR, WE HAVE ANNOUNCED THE
CLOSURE OF DVD CLOSED CALIF. C.
C C IS CLOSING AS OF JUNE 30TH
CAL CITY WE ARE TERMINATING THE
LEASE IN MARCH OF 2024 CHUCKLE.
WALLA VALLEY STATE PRISON IS
SCHEDULED TO CLOSE IN MARCH OF
2025. ADDITIONALLY WE ARE
DEACTIVATING SIX FACILITIES AT
60 INSTITUTIONS. AND
COLLECTIVELY, THAT'S GOING TO BE
SAVING THE STATE APPROXIMATELY
$600 MILLION ANNUALLY BETWEEN
ALL OF THOSE COMBINED SO WE ARE
TAKING STEPS WE ARE FOLLOWING
WITH WHAT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO
DO, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S WHY
THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL PRISON
CLOSURES ANNOUNCED RIGHT NOW.
HOW MANY BEDS DOES THAT
REPRESENT? THE CLOSURES THAT YOU
DESCRIBED OVER THE NEXT THREE
AND A 3.5 YEARS. I EXPECT SHE.
HAVING AN EMAIL, OKAY? THE TOTAL
. I HAVEN'T BROKEN OUT BY EACH
ONE. SORRY FOR FACILITY D
ACTIVATIONS. IT'S ROUGHLY.
ALWAYS HAD THAT. UH SO LIKE
PUBLIC AND BAY IS WHERE THE
ACTIVATING 708 CALIFORNIA MEN'S
COLONY IS 1700. SEE SEE I
FACILITY DÍAS 1000. AH SEE I AM
IS ABOUT 1600 CRC IS ABOUT 800
FW. F WAS 500. I'LL GET YOU THE
INFORMATION ON THE OTHER TWO
INSTITUTIONS. I DON'T WANT TO
KEEP THE COMMITTEE AND I DO HAVE
IT. IT'S JUST IN MY BINDER
APOLOGIZE CAN SPEAK. SORRY.
LENNY SCHMIDT, THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE FOR C C. C. IT'S ABOUT
1900 DESIGN CAPACITY BEDS. CAL
CITY. IT'S AT LEAST FACILITY AND
IT'S THERE. THERE'S NOT A DESIGN
CAPACITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT IN
THE EYES OF THE THREE JUDGE
PANEL, UM SO I DON'T KNOW THAT
EXACT NUMBER. I THOUGHT IT WAS
AROUND. 2300 EVERYTHING. GET
BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU. I GUESS
THE POINT OF MY QUESTION IS TO
LOOK AT THOSE REDUCTIONS BY THE
CLOSURE OF THOSE FACILITIES WITH
THE TREND LINE FOR YOUR
PROJECTIONS OF POPULATION. WHERE
DO WE END UP AFTER THESE? THESE
PRISONS ARE CLOSED. DO WE STILL
HAVE A 15 TO 20,000 BED CUSHION?
CORRECT SO WE ACTUALLY ARE
TRACKING IN THE NEAR TERM. I
THINK IN BUDGET YEAR AND THROUGH
BUDGET YOUR PLUS TO AROUND
15,000 EMPTY BEDS AND BY BUDGET
YEAR PLUS FOR ABOUT 17,000 EMPTY
BEDS, SO THROUGH THE LIFE CYCLE
OF THE PRODUCTION AND THEN SO I
GUESS BACK TO MY QUESTION. WHY
DO YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO HAVE
THAT KIND OF A CUSHION? YOU'RE
ON A PATH PRODUCING THE
FACILITIES, BUT THE POPULATION
STILL, UM GREATLY OR THE
FACILITIES GREATLY EXCEED THE
POPULATION. SO WHAT IS THE
REASONING? WHY THOSE ARE NOT
CLOSER IN ALIGNMENT? WHAT IS THE
MAGIC PERCENTAGE THAT IS
NECESSARY TO HAVE YOU KNOW
COMFORT WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT
ABOUT HAVING ADEQUATE FACILITIES
BUT NOT HAVING EMPTY BEDS. AND
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE INFORMED
PARTLY BY THIS, UH, EVALUATION
THAT WE'RE DOING OF
REHABILITATIVE NEEDS AND
SOMETHING WE LEARNED DURING
COVID WHILE WE ARE AT THE THEN,
EMERGENCY DECLARATION FOR COVID
HAS, UM, BEEN LIFTED. WE DID SEE
WE NEEDED A NEED FOR 10,000 TO
11,000 VACANT BEDS JUST TO COVER
THE ISSUES RELATED TO COVID. SO
IT'S YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF ON
FOR SEEING NATURAL DISASTER, SO
THERE'S LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.
SO WE'VE NEVER REALLY BEEN IN
THIS POSITION BEFORE. SO THE
DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO TAKE
THAT BIGGER, LIKE I SAID,
BROUGHT HER LOOK WE DON'T
ANTICIPATE THAT BY THE TIME WE
GET TO BUDGET YEAR PLUS FOUR
THAT WE WILL STILL HAVE 17,000
EMPTY BEDS. THERE WILL BE A PLAN
IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THAT IF WE
HAVE 17,000 EMPTY BEDS IS
BECAUSE WE'RE USING THEM FOR
THESE OTHER PURPOSES THAT WE'VE
PROVIDED YOU INFORMATION FOR AND
WE HAVE A PLAN FOR SO IN THE
NEAR TERM. WE'VE COMMITTED TO
THE CLOSURES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT
NOW, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT
WE'RE FOR THE LONG TERM. SO DO
YOU WANT TO ASK HER? I WAS JUST
GONNA NOTE THAT, UM AS WE STATED
THE ADMINISTRATION IS
CONSIDERING HOW MANY EMPTY BEDS
IT NEEDS. IN THE LONG RUN.
HOWEVER IN OUR JANUARY ANALYSIS
, WE DID RECOMMEND THE
LEGISLATURE COULD DIRECT THEM TO
CLOSE YARDS IN THE NEAR TERM IN
ORDER TO ACHIEVE NEAR TERM
REDUCTIONS IN SPENDING AS AN
OPTION. THOSE YARDS COULD THEN
BE REACTIVATED IN THE FUTURE
WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A
CLEAR PLAN OF UM, HOW MUCH
CAPACITY IT NEEDS RELATIVE TO,
UM THOSE BENEFITS THAT MISS
MCLEAN WAS DESCRIBING AND WHEN,
ONCE THE LEGISLATURE ALSO HAD
HAD A CHANCE TO ASSESS WHETHER
IT AGREES WITH THAT THOSE
BENEFITS SUCH AS HAVING YOU
KNOW, A HIGHER RATIO OF REHAB
SLOTS PER, UM, INCARCERATED
PERSON OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY
BE, WHETHER OR NOT THE
LEGISLATURE AGREES WITH THAT.
TRADE OFF RELATIVE TO THE COST.
AND I REMEMBER THE FIRST
INFORMATIONAL HEARING WE HAD
ABOUT THE SUBJECT THAT THERE WAS
DISCUSSION ABOUT IT PLAN AND A
TIMETABLE AND MORE PRECISE, UM,
TIMING AS TO WHEN THESE THINGS
MIGHT OCCUR. SO YOU KNOW, IS
THERE ANY MORE ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION ABOUT THE STATUS OF
THAT? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE
RECOMMENDATIONS WE JUST TALKED
ABOUT AS PART OF THAT STRATEGY
CLOSING YARDS. INTERIM TO SAVE
MONEY. YES PART OF ONE OF THE
THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING AS OUR
OVERALL LOOK AT THIS AT THIS
ISSUE, SO IT'S YOUR WHAT THE
COMMITTEE HAS SAID, AND WHAT
THEY LEO SAID HAS NOT GONE ON
DEAF EARS. IT IS PART OF THAT
AGAIN. BIGGER. LOOK THAT WE'RE
THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THIS
TIME AROUND AND BE MORE
THOUGHTFUL, KIND OF ABOUT OUR
PLAN AND APPROACH. SO IT'S OVER
THE NEXT, UH FEW MONTHS. THAT'S
WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING. WE'RE
WORKING TOWARDS I DON'T HAVE A
DEFINITIVE DATE. I APOLOGIZE,
BUT PERHAPS BY SEPTEMBER OCTOBER
. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT? I HOPE SO. I NOT GOING TO
COMMIT BECAUSE I AM NOT THE ONE
THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING IT. SO I
DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T DO. BUT
I WOULD GENERALLY AGREE IN THE
NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. YES. ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. AND I. A LITTLE LITTLE
CONCERNED SO. THIS NEW
CALCULATION THAT YOU'RE DOING
WITH THE ADDITIONAL BED. UM HOW
LONG WILL THAT TAKE FOR YOU TO
COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO
WITH ESTIMATES OF WHY YOU NEED
THE ADDITIONAL OR THE HOLDOVER
SPACE. THAT'S THE SAME. UM LOOK
THAT WORD SO OVER THE NEXT
SEVERAL MONTHS, SO IT'S NOT
GONNA BE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. MY
CONCERN IS I'VE BEEN ON THIS
COMMITTEE VERY LONG TIME. I'VE
BEEN PROMISED THIS INFORMATION
FOR VERY LONG TIME. I HAVE NOT
GOTTEN THIS INFORMATION FOR A
VERY LONG TIME. AND I'VE GOT THE
SAME ANSWER. FOR A VERY LONG
TIME. UM I DON'T TRUST WILL EVER
GET THE ANSWER. THAT'S MY
CONCERN. UNDERSTAND THAT, UM
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK UP AGAIN AND
WE'LL BE ASKING THE SAME
QUESTIONS. OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
AND, UH. AND WHAT'S REALLY
PERPLEXING IS WE CAN'T SEEM TO
GET AN ANSWER OF WHEN IT WILL
GET DONE. AND I CAN'T UNDERSTAND
. YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE A
MISTAKE AND GIVE US A NUMBER AND
THEN BE WRONG. BUT WHEN IT GOES
INTO A YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER
YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, THEN
SOMETHING SOMETHING IS WRONG
WITH THE DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY TO
DO THAT, AND SO, UM, I DON'T
KNOW IF I NEED TO MAKE A
RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHAIR THAT
AT SOME TÌM MAYBE WE HIRE OUR
OWN SPACE PLANNER. TO GO INTO
CDCR AND GET US THIS
INFORMATION. UM IT WILL COST
SOMETHING, BUT I THINK IT'S COST
A WHOLE LOT MORE WAITING ON THIS
INFORMATION THAT'S NEVER COME.
AT LEAST WE'LL GET IT. AND WE'LL
GET IT DONE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO
MAKE SOME SOME CRITICAL
DETERMINATIONS ON WHAT TO DO
THEIR SPACE AVAILABLE. IN THESE
PRISONS IN THE REGION. IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME. IS YOUR
YOUR YOUR FORECASTING? MAYBE A
$600 MILLION SAVINGS OR MORE.
WELL I WANT TO USE 230 OF THAT
FOR ONGOING PROGRAMS TO GO BACK
INTO THE COMMUNITY. BUT IF THAT
, BUT IF I GET BACK FROM THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE AND OTHERS
THAT OH, THAT MONEY'S ALREADY
TAKEN UP TO DO OTHER THINGS. UH
I DON'T HAVE A CONFIDENCE THAT
THAT IS AN ACTUAL NUMBER. I FEEL
MORE LIKE, UM I'M BEING PLACATED
UNTIL I'M TURNED OUT. AND THEN
YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SPEND THAT
MONEY ANYWHERE YOU WANT. AND SO
, UM, I GOT TO GET SOME
CERTAINTY BEFORE I LEAVE. THAT,
UM. THAT WE'RE NOT JUST BEING
PLACATED OR BEING PLAYED WITH
THESE NUMBERS, AND THAT AND
REALITY. I MEAN, THAT'S THE
PROBLEM WITH, UH, WITH THE
BUDGETING AND ALL THE GOVERNMENT
. WE HAVE TO RELY ON YOU TO GIVE
US THE NUMBERS. WE DON'T HAVE ON
TIME BUDGETING CAN'T PULL UP THE
SCREEN AND SEE EXACTLY HOW MUCH
YOU'RE SPENDING IN REAL TIME AND
THAT THAT IS THE PROBLEM BECAUSE
YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS AND I DON'T
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO
IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FROM A
TRANSPARENCY AND TRUST
PERSPECTIVE. THAT WE'RE ABLE TO
GET THESE NUMBERS AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN WE CAN
HELP MAKE SOME CRITICAL
DECISIONS. AND SO I'M PROBABLY
BACK AGAIN TO WHAT I ASKED
BEFORE AND THE TIME BEFORE AND
THE TIME BEFORE THE TIME BEFORE,
UM WHEN CAN WE GET SOME NUMBERS?
UM SO THAT WE CAN, OR CAN YOU GO
BACK TO SOMEONE? GIVE US SOME
DEFINITIVE DATES TO GIVE TO THE
CHAIR. SO IT'S CHERRY CONTENT
AND FORM US. OF WHEN WE CAN, UH
, MAKE SOMETHING VERY
SIGNIFICANT. DECISIONS. I MEAN,
THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY
AND UNDERSTOOD IMPORTANT
DECISIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE SO IN
TERMS OF THE NUMBER I REFERENCE
OF THE APPROXIMATELY $600
MILLION THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE
BUDGET CHANGE PROPOSALS THAT ARE
BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE THAT IS
ACTUALLY MONEY THAT IS GOING TO
BE REDUCED FROM C. C. R S BUDGET
NEXT YEAR. THAT IS PUBLIC.
THAT'S BEING TAKEN DOWN. WE ARE
WE ALSO KNOW WHICH PRISONS WILL
BE CLOSED. WOULD ABSOLUTELY
POSITIVE. THAT'S FOR THE ONES
THAT YES, THE FIRST TCC CAL CITY
CHUKKA WALLACE STATE VALLEY, AND
THAT'S THE ONLY HOW MANY THAT'S
PLUS DB AYE. AND THE 6TH AND 7TH
BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD A
NUMBER OF 10 AT ONE TIME. WE
WERE POSSIBLY CLOTHING. SO NOW
WE'RE AT WHAT FOR NOT REALLY
CONFUSED. YOU SEE WHY I
CONFUSION. OKAY? THEY ADMIT YES,
THE ADMINISTRATION HAS COMMITTED
TO CLOSING THE FIVE THAT WE'VE
ANNOUNCED AND THAT SAVINGS IS
BEING CAPTURED. WE DON'T HAVE
ANY ADDITIONAL PRISONS SCHEDULED
FOR CLOSURE AT THIS TIME AND
THAT REPORT THAT SECRETARY
MCCUMBER MENTIONED IN HIS
HEARING IS BEING WORKED ON. I
WILL SEE IF I CAN GET A SOLID
DATE. BUT AS FOR RIGHT NOW, I'M
GOING TO GO WITH THE NEXT
SEVERAL MONTHS. IT IS IN
PROGRESS. I DO KNOW THAT
UNDERSTAND IN PROGRESS FOR A
WHILE. I UNDERSTAND. WELL. I
GUESS THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO
RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE UNTIL YOU
GUYS ARE ABLE TO MAKE THAT
HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU. UM BUDGET
CHAIR. TING ALSO HAD A QUESTION
ABOUT THE PROPORTION OF PEOPLE
THAT ARE IN INDIVIDUAL CELLS
VERSUS SHARED CELLS. HAVE ANY
INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. I DO NOT
HAVE THAT NUMBER, BUT WE CAN GET
THAT FOR YOU. WOULD BE REALLY
INDIVIDUAL. VERSUS SHARED CELLS.
SO OKAY? THEY'RE A VARIETY OF
QUESTIONS THAT GO TO THIS SPACE
UTILIZATION ISSUE, AND I THINK
THAT, UM MR GIANT SAWYER, YOU
KNOW, SPOKE TO THE FRUSTRATION
OF THE COMMITTEE. WELL BECAUSE
WE HAD OUR FIRST HEARING ON THIS
SUBJECT, AND YOU KNOW THERE WAS
A COMMITMENT BY THE DEPARTMENT
TO HAVE THE PLANNING NECESSARY
TO HELP INFORM, YOU KNOW THIS
BUDGET CYCLE AND HERE WE ARE.
YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS TO ME IS THAT
WE'RE GOING TO MISS THIS BUDGET
CYCLE AND THAT'S APPRECIATE THE
WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING THE
EFFORTS THAT YOU'RE MAKING, BUT
YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED MORE
INFORMATION ON A MORE TIMELY
BASIS TO DO OUR WORK SO THAT WE
CAN COLLABORATING TOGETHER AND
ACHIEVE WHAT BOTH OF US ARE
TRYING TO. TO DELIVER TO THE
PUBLIC AND TO THE PEOPLE IN THE
PRISONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
OKAY WELL, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR BAUER-KAHAN.
HEALTH.
GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS. MY NAME
IS DWAYNE READER. I'M W DIRECTOR
OF CALIFORNIA CORRECTIONAL
HEALTH CARE SERVICES FISCAL
OFFICE. BEFORE YOU EVER REQUEST
FOR POSITIONS IN FUNDING OVER
THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO EXPAND
IOWA. TELL HER TELL HER MENTAL
HEALTH PROGRAM TO INCLUDE
PSYCHOLOGY AS WELL AS SOCIAL
WORK. UM THE REQUEST INCLUDES
FUNDING TO ESTABLISH DEDICATED
TO TELE MENTAL HEALTH RESEARCH
MANAGEMENT, SUPERVISORY
OVERSIGHT, ADMINISTRATIVE
SUPPORT. TELE PRESENTERS
RESEARCH STAFF. AND I T SUPPORT
TO HELP OPTIMIZE AND IMPROVE THE
EXPANDED PROGRAM. WITH ME TODAY
, I HAVE DR AMAR META, DEPUTY
DIRECTOR OF MENTAL HEALTH TO
HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I DO
HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM
CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY QUALITY OF
CARE ISSUES THAT YOU TRACK WHEN
A PERSON HAS A TELEHEALTH
APPOINTMENT VERSUS AN IN PERSON
APPOINTMENT? YEAH SO ARE TELL
US. OH SORRY. I'M A MATH, A
DEPUTY DIRECTOR STATEWIDE MENTAL
HEALTH FOR CDCR. OUR TELE
PSYCHIATRY PROGRAM IS REALLY
IT'S KIND OF A GOLD STANDARD
PROGRAM. THEY HAVE CONTINUING
MEDICAL EDUCATION, PEER
MENTORSHIP, LIKE ALL OF THIS
STRUCTURE BUILT INTO IT, AND
WHEN WE DO THE WHEN WE PROVIDE
THE CARE, IT IS HARD TO COMPARE.
SOMETIMES SPEAKERS TELL US
PSYCHIATRY'S ALMOST, UM IS
CONCENTRATED AT THE LOWER LEVELS
OF CARE FOR THE LOWER SEVERITY
PATIENTS. TRY TO KEEP OUR ON
SITE IN PERSON CARE FOR THE FOR
THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT THE MOST.
AND SO WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF
SEPARATION OF WITHIN THE LOWER
LEVELS OF CARE THAT THE QUALITY
OF CARE, BUT WE'VE RECENTLY KIND
OF BUILT OUR SYSTEM TO BE ABLE
TO TELL THAT STUFF APART. SO AS
WE BUILD LARGER, THAT'S GOING TO
BE BUILT INTO THE FOUNDATION
NOW, WHEREAS WE HAD TO KIND OF
GET IT, UH GRAFTED ON FOR THE
OLD PROGRAM. I CAN'T JUST
SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE THAT
USED TO BE THE CHIEF OF TELE
PSYCHIATRY, AND OUR PROGRAM HAS
, I THINK MORE BOARDED A BOARD
CERTIFIED PHYSICIANS AND MORE,
UM AH! YEAH. I WOULD SAY
PUBLISHED PHYSICIANS AND EXPERT
PHYSICIANS IN THE IN THE TELE
PSYCHIATRY PROGRAM THAT I'VE
THAT I'VE REALLY EVER SEEN IN A
PROGRAM LIKE THAT BEFORE. THAT'S
GOOD NEWS. THANK YOU. UM THE
ELIO HAVE SOME COMMENTS. WE DO
NOT RAISE CONCERNS WITH THE
PROPOSAL, GIVEN THAT IT COULD
SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS
. UM UH, IN FILLING VACANCIES,
AS REQUIRED BY THE QUORUM IN
COURT. THANK YOU. AND THEN
ANOTHER QUESTION. UM WOULD
APPROVING THIS PROPOSAL KEEP US
ON TRACK IN MEETING THE COURTS
REQUIREMENTS AND ARE THERE PAY
DIFFERENTIALS FOR TELEHEALTH
MENTAL HEALTH POSITIONS VERSUS
ON SITE POSITIONS. GOOD
QUESTIONS. I DEFER TO OUR
FINANCE AND LEGAL COLLEAGUES FOR
SOME OF THE COURT ORDER
DISCUSSION, BUT I WILL SAY MY AS
AS THIS SORT OF LEAD CLINICIAN
OF THE DEPARTMENT. I'M REALLY
CONCERNED THAT THE STAFFING
SHORTAGES HAVE MADE IT HARD FOR
US TO DELIVER THE CARE THAT WE
REALLY WANT TO GIVE TO THESE
PATIENTS, AND WE'RE REALLY
HOPING WE CAN REPEAT THE KIND OF
MIRACLE THAT HAPPENED UNTIL A
PSYCHIATRY WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO
HIRE UP OR TELL A PSYCHIATRIST
TO, UM AROUND 90% FOR THE FIRST
TIME IN REALLY THE HISTORY OF
THE CASE. AS FAR AS I KNOW, AND
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME OUR
PSYCHOLOGY AND SOCIAL WORKERS
HAVE BEEN SO LOW, AND WE WANT TO
BE ABLE TO GET THOSE NUMBERS UP
AND PROVIDE THAT CARE TO OUR
PATIENTS REALLY IS OUR IS OUR
MAIN GOAL. IS IT A DEPARTMENT
DOING ANYTHING TO ACTIVELY TO
RECRUIT IN ANY UNIQUE WAY TO
HELP ADDRESS THAT SHORTAGE?
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO, WE WE'VE
BEEN KIND OF SHIFTING AROUND THE
WAY THAT WE DO THAT. I'LL JUST
GIVE YOU LIKE A COUPLE OF TOP
ONES. AND YOU TELL ME WHEN
YOU'VE HAD ENOUGH, BUT WE DO
HAVE A PAY DIFFERENTIAL FOR
PEOPLE IN THE IN PATIENT LEVEL
OF CARE, THE PSYCHIATRIC
INPATIENT AND THE CRISIS BALLOT
CERTAIN INSTITUTIONS. UM THOSE
ARE ALL ON SITE, AND THEN
THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW
. THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TELE
PSYCHIATRY AND THE ON SITE
PSYCHIATRY, TEARS, BUT WE DO
EXPECT THAT THERE WILL BE SOME
DIFFERENCES FOR THE TELE
PSYCHOLOGY AND SOCIAL WORK.
WE'RE STILL DETERMINING HOW
THAT'S GOING TO WORK BEST. BUT
JUST FROM THE QUALITY OF THE
SORRY, THE TYPE OF CARE THAT
THEY PROVIDE. WE THINK WE HAVE
CHANGED THE WAY THAT WE DO WHAT
ARE CALLED DUAL APPOINTMENTS.
PEOPLE CAN WORK AN EXTRA DAY AT
AN INSTITUTION AND PROVIDE CARE
TO A DIFFERENT PATIENT
POPULATION THAN THEY USUALLY DO
. AND THEY GET EXTRA PAY FOR
THAT, ALTHOUGH THAT PAY DOESN'T
CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR RETIREMENT
OR ANY OF THE OTHER BENEFITS
THERE. WE'VE CHANGED THE WAY WE
DO ON CALL. WE'VE MADE IT EASIER
WE HAVE NOW WHAT WE CALL THE
NIGHT SHIFT TELE PSYCHIATRY THAT
COVERS THE ENTIRE STATE. SO 99%
OF THE CALLS THAT GO TO THE ON
COMPOSITION ARE FIELDED BY
PHYSICIAN ON SHIFT, WHO'S JUST
DOING THEIR REGULAR SHIFT WORK
HAPPENS TO BE FROM SEVEN PM TO
SEVEN AM, SO THEY ARE ABLE TO DO
A LOT OF THAT. THEY'RE IN FRONT
OF A DESK AND YOU KNOW, IN FRONT
OF ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY
NEED. TO JUST GET THOSE ORDERS
IN RIGHT AWAY. UM, WE'VE MADE
SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR
SPECIALIZATION. WE HAVE A
SPECIAL UNITS FOR MEMORY CARE
FOR ELDERLY PATIENTS IN OUR
SYSTEM FOR TRANSGENDER PATIENTS
AND OTHER GENDER MINORITIES. ALL
THESE SEPARATE PROGRAMS THAT
KIND OF ALLOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE A
REAL PASSION AND ONE FIELD TO
REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR
EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA, AND WE
USE THAT AS A RECRUITMENT TROLL.
TO BRING IN THOSE EXPERTS INTO
OUR SYSTEM TO ADVISE US ON HOW
TO PROCEED FROM THERE. WE'VE
REALLY TRIED TO SIMPLIFY THE WAY
WE DO ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS
. THAT'S ALL YOU KNOW. NEVER
HEARD OF DOCTOR THAT DOESN'T
COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR ELECTRONIC
MEDICAL RECORDS SYSTEM, BUT IN
OUR SYSTEM WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE
IT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD LAST
CLICKS MORE ABLE MORE ABILITY TO
FOCUS ON THE PATIENT. AND THE
TIME THAT YOU SPEND WITH THE
PATIENT IN THE ROOM. YOU'RE NOT
STARING AT A SCREEN THE WHOLE
TIME, IF POSSIBLE. UM THERE'S A
COUPLE OTHER THINGS
RELATIONSHIPS WITH TRAINING
PROGRAMS, THE HIRING PROCESS
ITSELF. WE NOW HAVE THESE HIRING
FAIRS WHICH HAVE BEEN REALLY
SUCCESSFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME
OF OUR NURSING COLLEAGUES WERE
HOPING TO DO THAT FOR MENTAL
HEALTH AS WELL WHERE YOU CAN DO
A PROCESS THAT USUALLY TAKES
ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO. YOU CAN DO
ALL OF THAT IN ONE SITTING AND
HIRING FAIR AND WALK AWAY WITH
TENTATIVE OFFER RIGHT THEN AND
THERE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THESE
DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE
DOING THAT WE'RE HOPING WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE. KIND OF SNOWBALL
EFFECT WITH THE TELESCOPIC
OFFERED OFFERINGS. THANK YOU.
THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL, AND IT'S
GREAT NEWS TO HEAR OF ALL THE
INNOVATION. APPRECIATE THAT.
YEAH SURE. AND THEN WAS THERE
ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD
ABOUT THE COURT REQUIREMENTS.
ALLYSON HEWITT DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE. SO UM, AND IN FACT, I
WOULD ACTUALLY SAY DOCTOR MEDIC
COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS
BETTER THAN MYSELF. BUT THEY'RE
COMING. COURT HAS, UH, HAS FROM
2009 HAS REQUIREMENTS THAT
CERTAIN CLINICAL POSITIONS ARE
FILLED TO A 90% FILL RATE AND
THAT WOULD INCLUDE PSYCHOLOGISTS
AND LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL
WORKERS THAT, UM, ONE OF THE
CORE ISSUES HERE ISN'T THAT
WE'RE DEALING WITH A NATIONWIDE
SHORTAGE AS WELL AS A STATE WIDE
SHORTAGE OF MENTAL HEALTH.
HEALTH PRACTITIONERS, AND SO THE
DEPARTMENT IN BRINGING FORWARD
THIS PROPOSAL, THE
ADMINISTRATION IS SEEKING TO
FIND SOME INNOVATIVE WAYS OF
TRYING TO GET CLINICIANS INTO
THESE, UM, HARDER TO FILL
POSITIONS. AND SO THAT'S THE
HOPE WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT
IT WILL HELP WITH RECRUITMENT
AND RETENTION WHILE ALSO
SUPPORTING PATIENT THE DELIVERY
OF PATIENT CARE, BECAUSE THESE
WOULD BE POSITIONS THAT MAY
OTHERWISE SIT VACANT. UM, IS THE
REALITY NOT ABLE TO SPEAK TO
SPECIFICALLY HOW THIS MIGHT OR
MIGHT NOT IMPACT ANY OTHER.
COMMON CORE COLEMAN COURT FINDS
, BUT I THINK ADMINISTRATIONS
HOPE IS THAT IT WILL INCREASE
COMPLIANCE IN THAT IT WILL ALLOW
THE DEPARTMENT TO, UM FILL
POSITIONS WITHIN PSYCHOLOGIST.
THIS PSYCHOLOGY AND LICENSED
CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER FIELD
MUCH LIKE THE MODEL THAT THEY
HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED WITH
THE STATEWIDE TEST TELE
PSYCHIATRY PROGRAM, WHICH I
THINK DOCTOR MEADOWOOD, AND THE
DEPARTMENT WOULD SAY IT'S VERY
HELPFUL IN TERMS OF HELPING THEM
FEEL PSYCHIATRY CLASSIFICATIONS.
THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU FOR
THAT CONTEXT, HELPFUL. ARE THERE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
MEMBERS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE YOU. WE'LL NOW MOVE
TO ITEM FORWARD CONTRACT MEDICAL
SERVICES. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.
DWAYNE READERS CCH CS, UM, WE'RE
REQUESTING. TO WE IN OUR
POPULATION ADJUSTMENTS. WE TOOK
A $27.7 MILLION REDUCTION TIED
TO A COST PER PATIENT
METHODOLOGY. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO
RE REVERSED THAT ADJUSTMENT AS
WELL AS ASKED FOR $12 MILLION
BACK IN REIMBURSEMENT AUTHORITY
AND MOVE THAT TO GENERAL FUND
AUTHORITY. FOR A TOTAL OF 39.9
MILLION. UM THIS FUNDING IS
NEEDED TO CARE FOR OUR PATIENTS
OUTSIDE OF, UM OUR INSTITUTIONS
AS WELL AS ON SITE SPECIALTY
SERVICES, SO IT'S REALLY FOR
SPECIALTY SERVICES OUTSIDE
HOSPITALS, UM, AMBULANCE
SERVICES. AND SO WE HAD A VERY
OLD METHODOLOGY THAT THE 2763
PER INMATE PATIENT WAS FROM 11
4012, AND, UM IT REALLY WITH THE
REDUCTIONS WE'VE SEEN THROUGH
COVID WE'VE REDUCED ABOUT 25,000
INMATE PATIENTS, AND IT'S
CREATED A HOLE IN OUR CONTRACT
MEDICAL BUDGET. SO THE
METHODOLOGY IS A LITTLE ARCHAIC
AND NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO BE
MORE REFLECTIVE OF THE TYPE OF
PATIENTS WE HAVE IN OUR SYSTEM.
UM SO WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM.
PROPOSING NEW METHODOLOGY FOR
ADJUSTING THE CONTRACT MEDICAL
FUNDING IN THE POP PROCESSES
WERE HOPING TO WORK WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION AND COME BACK, UM
NEXT YEAR WITH A NEW METHODOLOGY
THAT IS MORE TIED TO OUR PATIENT
ACUITY AND, UM, TIED TIED TO THE
POPULATIONS THAT USE THESE
SERVICES. UM AS FAR AS THE
REIMBURSEMENT. UM WE'VE HAD A
$54 MILLION REIMBURSEMENT
AUTHORITY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS,
UM, AT LEAST PROBABLY AT LEAST
10 MILLION YEARS AND WITH THE
REDUCTIONS WE'VE SEEN IN OUR
POPULATION, WE NEED TO UPDATE
THAT AMOUNT. UM WE HAVE SEEN
SIGNIFICANT POPULATION
REDUCTIONS AND WE'RE NOT SENDING
AS MANY PATIENTS OUT TO THE
HOSPITALS, SO THE FEDERAL
REIMBURSEMENT IS FOR A SMALL
SUBSET OF OUR CONTRACT. MEDICAL
IT'S FOR PATIENTS THAT GO INTO
HOSPITALS FOR MORE THAN 24
HOURS. IF THEIR MEDICAL ELIGIBLE
AND THEY GO TO A HOSPITAL FOR
MORE THAN 24 HOURS, WE'RE ABLE
TO THEN SEEK REIMBURSEMENT FOR
SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE
PROVIDED. SO UM, WE'VE SEEN
BASED ON CURRENT TRENDS THAT
THAT FUNDING REIMBURSEMENT
REDUCE. WE DO WORK WITH HEALTH
CARE SERVICES, WHO IS THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ENTITY THAT
THAT SIX MEDICAL REIMBURSEMENT
SO WE WORKED THROUGH THEM, AND
WE'RE ALWAYS CONTINUING TO LOOK
FOR OPPORTUNITIES OR SEE IF
THERE'S ADDITIONAL FUNDING. WE
CAN ACHIEVED THROUGH THE FEDERAL
REIMBURSEMENT SO THOSE ARE SOME
OF OUR CHALLENGES. THANK YOU, MR
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE JOURNALIST
OFFICE. THANK YOU. ORLANDO
SANCHEZ WITH THE LEGISLATIVE
ANALYST'S OFFICE. WE
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HAVING
SUFFICIENT FUNDS FOR CONTRACT
MEDICAL IS IMPORTANT FOR THE
DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE
MEDICAL CARE. HOWEVER WE
RECOMMEND THAT APPROVING THESE
ON A ONE TIME BASIS INSTEAD OF
AS PROPOSED ON AN ONGOING BASIS
. THIS WOULD STILL PROVIDE THAT
THE ADMINISTRATION SUFFICIENT
TIME TO DEVELOP A NEW
METHODOLOGY. AND WE WOULD ALSO
LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS PREVIOUSLY
RECOGNIZE THIS FLYING FUNDING
METHODOLOGY, BUT IT STILL HAS
NOT PRESENTED A PROPOSAL OR
SOLUTION TO THIS, AND SOME ARE
AS MENTIONED SOME OF THE
INFORMATION ON ON MEDICAL
REIMBURSEMENT RIGHT NOW, WE
DON'T HAVE A CLEAR STRATEGY FROM
THE DEPARTMENT. ON WHAT EFFORTS
IT. IT'S TAKING TO MAXIMIZE
THOSE SO ACCORDINGLY. WE ALSO
RECOMMEND THAT WHETHER ONE TIME
OR ONGOING FUNDING IS PROVIDED
THAT THE THAT THE DEPARTMENT BE
TASKED WITH DEVELOPING A REPORT
THAT ONE INCLUDES THE NEW
PROPOSED METHODOLOGY TO PROVIDE
DATA THAT WILL ALLOW THE
LEGISLATURE TO DETERMINE WHETHER
THE DEPARTMENT IS MAXIMIZING THE
FEDERAL FUNDS THAT QUALIFIES FOR
AND ALSO THIRD THAT OUTLINES
STRATEGIES THE DEPARTMENT IS
TAKING TO DO TO HAVE ACCESS TO
THOSE FUNDS. THANK YOU AND HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK
YOU APPRECIATE THAT DEPARTMENT
OF FINANCE. YOU HAVE ANY
COMMENTS? GOOD AFTERNOON, ALYSSA
CERVANTES WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE, SO THE PRIORITY FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION WAS FIXING THE
STRUCTURAL DEFICIT WITHIN THE
CONTRACT MEDICAL SUB PROGRAM FOR
2023 24. PROVIDING FUNDS ON A
ONE TIME BASIS, WILL NOT ADDRESS
THE LONG TERM STRUCTURAL DEFICIT
THAT DOES EXIST WITHIN THIS SUB
PROGRAM, AND THIS WILL
ESSENTIALLY JUST CREATE A BUDGET
GAP FOR 2024 25 IN THE OUT YEARS
, THE ADMINISTRATION DOES
ANTICIPATE TO BRING FORWARD A
METHODOLOGY AS A DEPARTMENT
MENTIONED FOR CONTRACT MEDICAL
IN 24 25 THAT WILL ACCOUNT FOR
PATIENT ACUITY AND RISING HEALTH
CARE COSTS. WE'RE HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS
AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. I THINK
THAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO AIM FOR
THE SAME SPACE, WHICH IS RIGHT,
SIZING THE AMOUNTS THAT ARE
NEEDED VERSUS THE REIMBURSEMENT
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND
THROUGH MEDICAL. SO, UM I THINK
THAT YOU KNOW THERE WERE
APPROACH OF DOING THE ONE TIME
FUNDING, YOU KNOW, CAN MEET THE
NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENT AS WELL
IN THE LONG TERM, BUT ALSO GIVE
US FLEXIBILITY TO GET THE
INFORMATION THAT WE NEED AND
HAVE THE PLANNING. THE NEW
METHODOLOGY APPLIED TO NEXT
YEAR'S BUDGET. AND SINCE THERE'S
NOBODY ELSE HERE, AND I DON'T
HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WILL GO
ON TO THE NEXT SENATOR. THANK
YOU FOR THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM
IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE BORDER
PAROLE HEARINGS PROPOSAL.
WELCOME EVERYONE. THANK YOU. AND
JENNIFER SHAFFER, EXECUTIVE
OFFICER FOR THE BORDER PAROLE
HEARINGS. AND WE ARE HERE BEFORE
YOU TODAY WITH A BUDGET REQUEST
THAT DOES ESSENTIALLY FOUR
THINGS ONE. JUST TO GIVE YOU A
BRIEF OVERVIEW, EFFECTIVE JULY
1ST OF THIS YEAR PAY FOR
ATTORNEYS WHO REPRESENT PEOPLE
AT PAROLE HEARINGS WILL REVERT
TO $750 A CASE. I'M CURRENTLY
THEY'RE PAID $900 A CASE AND
THAT IS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN PAID
FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. UM RIGHT
NOW, UM, SIMILAR PAY SCALES FOR
COUNTY LEVEL WORK FOR PEOPLE WHO
REPRESENT INDIGENT PERSONS AT
THE COUNTY LEVEL IS $945 A CASE
WE THINK THAT REVERTING TO $750
IS GOING TO BE RATHER
CATASTROPHIC FOR US. WE THINK A
LOT OF PANEL ATTORNEYS WILL JUST
SIMPLY CHOOSE NOT TO WORK WITH
US ANY LONGER. AND WE'RE VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT
THAT WILL HAVE. THE NEXT THING
IS WE ARE REQUESTING FUNDING FOR
A CONTRACT THAT THE BOARD HOUSE
WITH A NONPROFIT ENTITY. UM
CURRENTLY IT'S THE RECIPIENT OF
THE CONTRACT IS PAROLE. JUSTICE
WORKS WE ENTERED INTO THAT
CONTRACT, IN PART IN RESPONSE TO
SOME PENDING LITIGATION AT THE
TIME, THE BOARD IS ABSORBED
THOSE COSTS FOR THE LAST TWO
YEARS. AND WE ARE ASKING FOR
ONGOING FUNDING FOR THAT THE
PURPOSE OF THE CONTRACT IS TO
TRAIN PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED AND
MONITOR THE QUALITY OF ATTORNEY
REPRESENTATION FOR PERSONS WHO
APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD. THE
THIRD ITEM IS WHERE REQUESTING A
SUPERVISING ADMINISTRATIVE LAW
JUDGE UM ONE POSITION AND
ONGOING FUNDING FOR THAT WE
HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN RATIO
DRIVEN, MEANING WE PROVIDE
METHODOLOGY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE
LAW JUDGES, AND THEN WE SIMPLY
SAY OKAY, IF YOU HAVE IF YOU
HAVE X NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIVE
LAW JUDGES, THEN UM, WE HAVE A
SUPERVISION RATIO RATIO OF 6 TO
1. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE
DETERMINE HOW MANY SUPERVISING
LJ S. WE HAVE IN THE LAST FOUR
YEARS ARE TOTAL NUMBER OF
HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED
HAS INCREASED BY 49. IT'S BEEN A
VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FOR
US. AS A RESULT, WE'VE SEEN A
SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN PRE
HEARING MOTIONS. COMBINED WITH
AN INCREASE IN THE QUALITY AND,
UM SHALL I SAY, UH, EFFECTIVE
REPRESENTATION. WE'RE SEEING A
LOT MORE PRE HEARING MOTIONS AND
SPECIFICALLY WITH
VIDEOCONFERENCING HEARINGS SINCE
WE MOST OF OUR HEARINGS OR BY
VIDEO CONFERENCE RIGHT NOW,
DETERMINING WHICH ONES NEED TO
BE IN PERSON IS REALLY A
QUESTION OF WHETHER A PERSON'S
AND INCARCERATED PERSONS
DISABILITIES ARE SUCH THAT WE
NEED TO HAVE THE HEARING IN
PERSON IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE
EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION. WE HAVE
A BIFURCATED A LOT OF THAT
WORKLOAD AMONGST ALL OF THE
SUPERVISORS, AND WHEN YOU'RE IN
THE MIDDLE OF CLASS ACTION
LITIGATION REGARDING ARMSTRONG
AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES,
IT'S NOT THE BEST WAY OF
HANDLING THOSE THOSE ISSUES. SO
WE'RE ASKING TO CONSOLIDATE ALL
OF THOSE THAT WORKLOAD INTO ONE
POSITION AT THE HEADQUARTERS
LEVEL SO WE CAN BE VERY
CONSISTENT IN OUR RESPONSES,
ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE VÀ
CONCERNS. THE LAST PIECE IS
SINCE 2007 THE BORDERS ABSORBED
THE ONGOING UM MAINTENANCE AND,
UM OTHER SERVICES ASSOCIATED
WITH OUR MAIN IT SYSTEM, AND WE
ARE SIMPLY UNABLE TO ABSORB
THOSE ONGOING COSTS. AND SO
WE'RE REQUESTING FUNDING TO
PROVIDE CONTINUE THE MAINTENANCE
AND ONGOING COSTS OF OUR SYSTEM.
THANK YOU, MISS SHEPHERD. BUT
JOURNALISTS OFFICER THANK YOU.
CAITLIN O'NEIL WITH THE L A. OH
JUST WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC
RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ISSUE,
BUT JUST WANTED TO OFFER A FEW
ITEMS FOR LEGISLATIVE
CONSIDERATION AND THE FIRST IS
THE PROPOSAL WOULD ESSENTIALLY
MAINTAIN EXISTING SERVICES
SERVICE LEVELS. UM BUT WE WOULD
NOTE THAT, UM, AS YOU'LL RECALL
, WE HAD, UM, THIS WE DISCUSSED
IN THIS COMMITTEE AND AN EARLIER
HEARING THIS SPRING. A REPORT
THAT OUR OFFICE RECENTLY PUT OUT
ON PROMOTING EQUITY AND PAROLE,
THE PAROLE HEARING PROCESS AND
TWO OF THE FOUR COMPONENTS OF
THIS PROPOSAL DO HAVE A NEXUS TO
THAT REPORT, WHICH WE DISCUSSED
. SO JUST MENTIONED, UM, THAT
THE ATTORNEY PAY INCREASE AND
THE CONTRACT WITH PAROLE.
JUSTICE WORKS ARE TOO UM, AREAS
WHERE THE STATE HAS MADE TAKEN
SOME STEPS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS
ABOUT ACCESS TO EFFECTIVE LEGAL
AND HEARING PREPARATION
SERVICES. BUT IN OUR REPORT. WE
FOUND THAT DUE TO LACK OF DATA
AND EVALUATION, WE JUST DON'T
KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT THAT THOSE
THAT THOSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN
FULLY ADDRESSED. AND SO, UM, THE
LEGISLATURE COULD CONSIDER
REQUIRING AN EVALUATION OF THESE
CHANGES BEFORE AUTHORIZING
ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THEM,
GIVEN THE STATE'S BUDGET
SITUATION AND EVALUATION WOULD
LIKELY REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL
GENERAL FUND SPENDING, THEY'LL
LIKELY LESS THAN THE PROPOSAL
BEFORE YOU ALSO JUST WANTED TO
CLARIFY ONE PIECE ABOUT THE
PROPOSAL THAT UM, IN OUR REPORT,
WE HAD SAID THAT THE PAY RATE
FOR ATTORNEYS WENT FROM 400 TO
700 OR 750 AROUND THERE. UM AND
THEN THE LEGISLATURE WHICH WAS
DONE IN RESPONSE TO BPH COMING
FORWARD, CITING CONCERNS ABOUT
THE QUALITY OF REPRESENTATION.
THEN LATER, THE LEGISLATURE
AUTHORIZED AN ADDITIONAL ONE
TIME AUGMENTATION FOR THAT
INCREASE. TO WHERE WE ARE NOW
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
. THAT'S GOING TO EXPIRE AND
THAT INCREASE CAME WITH
ADDITIONAL EXPECTATION OF
ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES, UM
, SPECIFICALLY TO EXPEND ONE
ADDITIONAL HOUR WITH CLIENTS
BEFORE THEIR RISK ASSESSMENT, SO
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK
ABOUT. IS THAT THAT? UM, I JUST
WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT
MONEY CAME WITH A RESPONSIBILITY
AS WELL. THANK YOU. I THINK IT
IS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE
PATRICK PLANT DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE. THIS PROPOSAL PROVIDES
THE NECESSARY RESOURCES FOR THE
BOARD TO CONTINUE OPERATIONS AT
THE EXISTING LEVELS, THEY COULD
NO LONGER ABSORB THE COSTS. SO
THANK YOU. THANK YOU AVAILABLE
FOR QUESTIONS. I DON'T HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS AND JUST ENCOURAGED
THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE
IN THE NUMBER OF HEARINGS AND
THE QUALITY OF THE PRETRIAL
MOTIONS. I THINK THAT'S
IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO
REPRESENTED WELL IN THE PROCESS
, AND, UM, CONCERNED AS WELL
ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN THE ONE
TIME INCREASE IN IN, UM FUNDING
FOR REPRESENTATION. THAT IS A
CONCERN AND BUT APPRECIATE THAT
YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN
TO MONITOR THAT EFFECTS OF THAT
AND TO CONTINUE TO PLUG US INTO
THAT INFORMATION WORK WITH THE
LOGIN ANALYST OFFICE TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE HAVE THE
INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE
DECISIONS GOING FORWARD. THAT'S
GREAT. IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE
THING, I DON'T NOT THE WAY WE
SCHEDULE HEARINGS IS RATHER
COMPLICATED, SO I'LL TRY TO JUST
GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE IMPACT.
FOR A PANEL ATTORNEY TODAY THEY
WOULD SEE A DECREASE IN PAY OF
1500 TO $2000 A MONTH. UM IF
THIS DOES NOT GO BACK IF WE'RE
NOT ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PAY THEM
AT THE INCREASE, JUST AT THE
CURRENT RATE, THERE'S NOT MANY
PEOPLE WHO WILL CONTINUE DOING
THE SAME WORK FOR THAT KIND OF A
SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN PAY, AND
MANY OF THESE PEOPLE WERE
PROVIDING THAT ADDITIONAL
CONSULTATION BEFOREHAND. WE JUST
INCREASED OUR ACTUAL WRITTEN
EXPECTATION THAT THEY DO SO. IN
EXCHANGE FOR THE MONEY, SO I
THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR MANY OF
THE PANEL ATTORNEYS FROM THEIR
PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS JUST SIMPLY
HAVING A PAY CUT FOR DOING THE
SAME AMOUNT OF WORK AND I THINK
IT'S GONNA BE REALLY DIFFICULT
FOR US TO OVERCOME THAT. I
APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ARE
YOU TRACKING THE REPRESENTATION
AND THE OVERTIME AS TO THE
COMPENSATION HOW IT RELATES TO
THEIR ABILITY FOR YOU TO GET
REPRESENTATION FOR? YES WE HAVE
. WE HAVE A 17% VACANCY RATE
RIGHT NOW. UM I THINK THAT IT
THAT WOULD GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM AS FAR AS THE QUALITY OF THE
OF THE REPRESENTATION, THE
NONPROFIT ENTITY THAT WE
CONTRACT WITH WE MODEL THAT
AFTER WHAT THE PANTS THE
CALIFORNIA THE APPELLATE PROJECT
DOES EACH OF THE COURTS UM THEY
HAVE A NONPROFIT ENTITY THAT
HANDLES THE TRAINING AND THE
MONITORING OF THE QUALITY OF
ATTORNEY REPRESENTATION FOR THE
COURTS. AND UM, WE THINK THEY'VE
BEEN DOING A REALLY EXCEPTIONAL
JOB AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING
THEY'VE ALREADY PROCESSED OVER
2000 SURVEYS. THEY SEND A SURVEY
TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO IS,
UM, IS REPRESENTED BY A PANEL
ATTORNEY AND SO FAR 63% ARE
SATISFIED. WITH THE ATTORNEY
REPRESENTATION THAT THEY'VE
RECEIVED, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT.
GIVEN THE OUTCOME RIGHT. MANY OF
THOSE FOLKS WERE DENIED PAROLE.
HOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FILLING
OUT THE SURVEY. WHAT IS THE
PERCENTAGE OF RESPONSE THAT YOU
GET FROM THAT SURVEY? INSTRUMENT
I APOLOGIZE. I SHOULD ASK THEM.
I JUST KNOW THAT THEY'VE
PROCESSED OVER 2000 OVER ONE
YEAR PERIOD, SO THAT WAS PRETTY
SIGNIFICANT FOR US. OKAY IF YOU
COULD GET THAT IN THE FUTURE, I
CAN THANK YOU, MISS SCHAEFER.
THANK YOU ALL. AND NOW WE'LL
MOVE TO THE JUDICIAL BRANCH AND
ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE CARE ACT
IMPLEMENTATION.
WELCOME. THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
PLEASE BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE
READY. GOOD AFTERNOON. HENRY
INC. DEPARTING FINANCE. THE MAIN
REVISION INCLUDES ADDITIONAL
INVESTMENTS TO SUPPORT THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CARE ACT.
THIS INCLUDES 9,000,023 24. AND
5,000,024 25 TO ACCOUNT FOR THE
EARLY IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CARE
ACT IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY. A
REVISION ALSO INCLUDES AN
ADDITIONAL 17 MILLION IN 23 24.
30,000,024 25. AND 33 MILLION
ONGOING TO SUPPORT LEGAL
REPRESENTATION OF CARE
PARTICIPANTS. THIS DOUBLES THE
NUMBER OF HOURS PER PARTICIPANT
FOR LEGAL SERVICES FROM 40 20
HOURS TO 40 HOURS. WE REQUEST
PROVISIONAL LANGUAGE TO SPECIFY
THE FUNDING ALLOCATION
METHODOLOGY FOR LEGAL SERVICES.
AND WE ALSO REQUEST LANGUAGE TO
RE APPROPRIATE EXISTING FUNDS
INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR
RELATED TO IT AND PLANNING
ACTIVITIES. THANK YOU AND HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK
YOU, MR RING. I DON'T HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.
UM HIS LEAD. DO YOU HAVE
SOMETHING? THANK YOU. ANITA LEE
, WITH THE LEGISLATIVE ANALYST'S
OFFICE ARE COMMENTS ARE GOING TO
SOUND A LITTLE FAMILIAR, SO
WE'LL KEEP THEM BRIEF BECAUSE WE
TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS
IN JANUARY. UM IF IT'S HELPFUL,
JUST IN SOME TOTAL RELATED TO
THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE NOW TALKING
THE BETWEEN JANUARY AND MAY IT
WOULD BE 55.5 MILLION IN THE
BUDGET YEAR, 2023 24, THEN IT
WOULD INCREASE TO 133 MILLION
ONGOING BEGINNING IN 2025 26.
AND SO WE DEFINITELY RECOGNIZE
THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE
ONGOING COSTS. HOWEVER WE
RECOMMEND THAT THE LEGISLATURE
ONLY PROVIDE THE 55.5 MILLION
REQUESTED FOR 2023 24, BUT WE
ALSO RECOMMEND REQUIRING THAT
EACH OF THE TRIAL COURTS AND THE
FIRST CONTINGENT THE GROUP
THAT'S IMPLEMENTING IN THE
BUDGET YEAR, UM REPORT MONTHLY.
ON KEY METRICS THAT ARE KEY TO
CALCULATING FUTURE FISCAL NEED,
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE
LEGISLATURE WON'T RECEIVE KIND
OF THE DATA REQUIREMENTS. THE
REPORTING IN TIME PRIOR FOR THE
THAT DECISION MAKING, SO AN
EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF
STAFF OR RESOURCE TIME THAT IS
NEEDED ON THESE TYPES OF CASES.
AND SO REALLY PART OF THE REASON
IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE UNDERLYING
ASSUMPTIONS RELATED TO THIS
BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN
IMPLEMENTED YET. AND SO FOR THE
BUDGET YEAR 2023 24 WHEN IT
HASN'T BEEN INFLUENCED ID, IT
MAKES SENSE TO USE ASSUMPTIONS.
BUT MOVING FORWARD. THE MORE
REASONABLE WAY WOULD BE TO
COLLECT THE DATA AND USE THAT
DATA TO CALCULATE WHAT THE
FUNDING NEEDS WOULD BE MOVING
FORWARD. THANK YOU HAPPY TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME. THAT'S VERY
CLEAR. AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW
THAT IS OBVIOUSLY THE GOLD
STANDARD AND, UM, SOUND AS
THOUGH IT LOOKS AS THOUGH YOU
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RESPONSE TO
THAT. SURE YOU KNOW MARK JIMENEZ
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE SIMILAR TO
HER COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY, UM YOU
KNOW, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE
IS SOME UNCERTAINTY WITH THE
NUMBERS. THIS IS A NEW PROGRAM.
BUT WE RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE
WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO
PROVIDE ONE TIME FUNDING. THIS
PROGRAM INVOLVES THE COMMITTEE.
MINT OF MANY STAKEHOLDERS FROM
THE UP FROM ALL 58 COUNTIES, THE
PUBLIC, YOU KNOW LEGAL SERVICE
PROVIDERS WITHIN EACH OF THOSE
COUNTIES, THE COURTS, AND SO
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE BUDGET
BUILDS IN ONGOING RESOURCES. UM
TO DEMONSTRATE THE ONGOING
SUPPORT OF IN FULL
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE OF THE OF
THE CARE PROGRAM. UM, AND WE
ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, UM, YOU
KNOW, WE AGREE THAT DATA IS
IMPORTANT. WE THINK THAT MAYBE
MONTHLY REPORTING OF THE DATA
MIGHT BE A BIT ONEROUS ON THE
JUDICIAL COUNCIL, BUT WE LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ON THE
LEGISLATIVE STAFF IN THE DETAILS
OF THE REPORTING REQUIREMENT.
THANK YOU. MR JIMENEZ APPRECIATE
THE COMPLEXITY OF ROLLING OUT A
NEW PROGRAM LIKE THIS AND THE
CHALLENGE OF PROVIDING REAL TIME
INFORMATION THAT MAKES IT MORE
COMFORTABLE FOR EVERYBODY. UM
WOULD THE DEPARTMENT BE
COMFORTABLE WITH QUARTERLY
REPORTING ON THE IMPLEMENTATION
EFFORTS SO THAT WE CAN MORE
ACCURATELY DETERMINE THE LEVEL
OF RESOURCES REQUIRED MOVING
FORWARD? YOU'RE NOT READY
ADDRESS. YOU GO. YOU DON'T SORRY
, DON. WELL. JUDICIAL COUNCIL.
UM UH, WE WOULD NEED TO ASSESS
THAT, SIR. WE'RE WORKING ON
DESIGN MICROPHONE WORKING ON
DESIGNING THE MANDATORY DATA
REPORTING RIGHT NOW, THAT'S IN
THE STATUTE. WE NEED TO ASSESS
WHETHER WE'D BE ABLE TO DO
QUARTERLY REPORTING. WELL, I
THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THE BEST
SOLUTION IS THE MONTHLY
REPORTING THAT THE LEJ ANALYST
OFFICES SUGGESTING BUT YOU KNOW
QUARTERLY, GIVEN THE, UM. IN
NEED FOR HAVING ONGOING FUNDING
FOR HAVING US HIT THE RIGHT
AMOUNTS AND TARGETS. YOU KNOW,
THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE AN
ITERATIVE PROCESS WORKING
COLLABORATIVELY AND YOU KNOW,
QUARTERLY REPORTING IS REALLY
IMPORTANT TO BEING ABLE TO GET
THIS NEXT BUDGET CYCLE
ACCURATELY REFLECTED AND JUST
THINK THAT THAT'S A REASONABLE
REQUEST. GIVEN THAT THIS NEW
PROGRAM WE DON'T REALLY KNOW
WHAT THE EXPENSES ARE GOING TO
BE. MARK MEADOWS DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE. UH WE APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMENTS, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO
WORK WITH LEGISLATIVE STAFF ON
THE DETAILS OF THE REPORTING
REQUIREMENT, INCLUDING
CONSIDERATION OF THE OF THE
QUARTERLY REPORTING APPRECIATE
THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU AGAIN
FOR YOUR TIME. NOW MOVE TO ITEM
NUMBER TWO. THE FEDERAL BURNS
CRISIS INTERVENTION PROGRAM
GRANT. EXTREME HENRY DEPARTMENT
FINANCE. THE REVISION INCLUDES
REIMBURSEMENT AUTHORITY TOTALING
17 MILLION OVER THE NEXT THREE
YEARS TO SUPPORT AN INTERAGENCY
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE JUDICIAL
COUNCIL AND THE BORDER. STATE
AND COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS TO
IMPLEMENT FEDERAL FUNDS FROM THE
BURN STATE CRISIS INTERVENTION
PROGRAM. THIS IS RELATED TO A B
S. C C REQUEST, PROPOSING THE
GOVERNMENT'S BUDGET. AND ITS
AUTHORITY WILL ALLOW THE
JUDICIAL COUNCIL TO IMPLEMENT A
STATEWIDE PROJECT THAT IMPROVES
EXECUTION OF FIREARM,
RELINQUISHMENT ORDERS AND EXPAND
AND ENHANCE HIS COLLABORATIVE
COURTS. THANK YOU AND HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT
NOW. UM. MISS LEE IN ITALY WITH
THE L A. OH UM, SO THIS
COMMITTEE HEARD EARLIER UNDER B
SEC. A PROPOSAL RELATED TO THIS
SKIP THE STATE CRISIS
INTERVENTION PROGRAM GRANTS SORT
OF VERY HIGH LEVEL. THESE ARE
FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE MADE
AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT CRISIS
INTERVENTION PROGRAMS
SPECIFICALLY WITH THE GOAL TO
REDUCE CRIME AND VIOLENCE, WITH
A PARTICULAR EMPHASIS ON GUN
VIOLENCE. AND SO THIS REQUEST IS
A TECHNICAL REQUESTS THAT IS
CONSISTENT WITH BS CCS INITIAL
PLANS FOR THE MONEY SO SIMILAR
TO KIND OF WHAT WE MENTIONED
EARLIER AT A PRAYER HEARING. WE
DO RECOMMEND THE LEGISLATURE
ENSURE THAT THE SKIP FUNDING
PLAN ACTUALLY REFLECTS
LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. SO AS AN
EXAMPLE, THE LEGISLATURE MIGHT
WANT TO USE THE FUNDING TO FUND
HIGHER PRIORITY GUN VIOLENCE
REDUCTION OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
ACTIVITIES. AND SO DEPENDING ON
WHAT THE LEGISLATURE WOULD LIKE
TO DO, AND THAT FINAL KIND OF
FUNDING PLAN, IT COULD IMPACT
WHETHER THIS REIMBURSEMENT
AUTHORITY AS WELL AS THIS, AS
YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT THAT'S
BEING REQUESTED IS ACTUALLY
NEEDED. AND SO WE THINK THAT
THAT'S A VERY CRITICAL QUESTION
FOR THE LEGISLATURE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. DEPARTMENT FINANCE
HAVE ANYTHING IN RESPONSE TO
THAT? NO SORRY. NO ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS. OKAY? AND THEN I GUESS
I WOULD JUST ASK. I'M FOLLOWING
UP ON THAT. WHAT WAS THE PROCESS
USED TO PRIORITIZE THESE
PARTICULAR PROGRAMS FOR THIS
FUNDING? THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. I'M KATIE HOWARD. I'M
THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
BOARD OF STATE AND COMMUNITY
CORRECTIONS SO HAPPY TO JOIN MY
JUDICIAL BRANCH COLLEAGUES UP
HERE ON THIS ITEM VERY BRIEFLY.
SO LAST JUNE, CONGRESS PASSED
THE BIPARTISAN SAFER COMMUNITIES
ACT. AND IN THAT, UM, IT CAME IN
THE WAKE OF SEVERAL HORRIBLE
MASS SHOOTINGS AT THE TIME.
BUFFALO HAD JUST HAPPENED AND IT
WAS REALLY QUITE AMAZING THAT
CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO REACH
AGREEMENT ON SOME GUN SAFETY
LEGISLATION, AND IN THAT THEY
PUT IN $750 MILLION TO GO OUT TO
ALL THE STATES AND TERRITORIES.
CALIFORNIA RECEIVED 29 MILLION
FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS AND THEN
WE ANTICIPATE ANNUAL INCREMENTAL
APPROPRIATIONS, PROBABLY ABOUT
40 MILLION MORE. IN TOTAL. THE
PROCESS FOR THE PLAN WAS LAID
OUT IN THAT FEDERAL STATUTE AND
SAID THAT EACH STATE HAD TO COME
UP WITH A BURNT SKIP SKIP STATE
CRISIS INTERVENTION PROGRAM
ADVISORY BOARD AND THE B. S C C
IS THE STATE ADMINISTERING.
AGENCY FOR THIS GRANT, SO A LOT
OF THIS HAPPENED JUST THROUGH
EXISTING STRUCTURES FOR FEDERAL
FUNDS TO COME TO THE STATE. UM
WHEN WE READ THE STATUTE, WE SAW
IT AS BEING VERY COURT FOCUSED,
UM, WITH THESE GUN SAFETY ISSUES
, AND OF COURSE, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT CONGRESS WAS REALLY
FOCUSED ON WHERE THE SO CALLED
RED FLAG LAWS THE EXTREME RISK
PROTECTION ORDERS. WE'VE HAD GUN
VIOLENCE, RESTRAINING ORDERS. WE
CALL THEM GVR OS IN CALIFORNIA
SINCE 2016 OFTEN ON THESE
CALIFORNIA THINGS WERE SORT OF
AHEAD OF THE CURVE. UM AND SO WE
HAD THIS PLANNING PROCESS
THROUGH AN ADVISORY BOARD WORKED
COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE
JUDICIAL COUNCIL TO PROPOSE ONE
OF THE PRIMARY AREAS OF FUNDING
IN THE BILL, WHICH WAS
COLLABORATIVE COURTS. BUT I WANT
TO BE SURE TO MAKE CLEAR TODAY,
PARTICULARLY IN RESPONSE TO THE
GALLOWS COMMENTS THAT THERE ARE
, UM TWO DISTINCT PARTS OF
FUNDING. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE
YOU TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT THERE'S
A STATE SHARING A LOCAL SHARE.
THE STATE SHARE WILL GO TO THE
JUDICIAL COUNCIL TO DO A VARIETY
OF GOOD THINGS RELATED TO
COLLABORATIVE COURTS. AND THEN
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE FINAL
PLAN THROUGH OUR BURN SKIP
ADVISORY PANEL, AND IT'LL BE ON
THE AGENDA FOR A MEETING IN
JUNE, AND SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS
FUNDING TO THE LOCALS ON THINGS
LIKE, UM, GUN RELINQUISHMENT.
UH, UH, THINGS BEING CARRIED OUT
WHETHER THAT'S BY COUNTY
PROBATION DEPARTMENTS OR OTHER
LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES SAFE
STORAGE OF GUNS THAT HAVE BEEN
RELINQUISHED, UM, AND TRAINING
FOR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ON
BROS. AND OTHER KINDS OF GUN
RELINQUISHMENT LIES IN
CALIFORNIA, SO I WANTED TO GIVE
YOU A FLAVOR OF WHERE THE
DISCUSSIONS STAND AND THEN IN
SPECIFIC RESPONSE TO YOUR
QUESTION, THE FEDERAL STATUTE
PRETTY MUCH LAID OUT WITH THE
PLANNING PROCESS WAS TO BE SO
HAPPY TO TAKE ANY FOLLOW UP. YOU
MAY HAVE OVER TIME, THERE WILL
BE MORE CLARITY AS TO WHAT THE
STRATEGY WILL BE. THAT'S RIGHT.
YEAH THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE
AVAILABLE AFTER THAT JUNE
PLANNING SESSION SO THAT WILL
INFORM NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET MORE
THAN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. YES,
BUT THERE IS FLEXIBILITY TO AND
WERE ABLE TO USE THESE DOLLARS
STRATEGICALLY FOR CALIFORNIA'S
PRIORITIES, NOT JUST CONFORMITY
WITH THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES.
THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF
FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE FEDERAL
STATUTE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO
THINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE
FEDERAL STATUTE. AND UM IN
ADDITION, YOU KNOW WITH FEDERAL
GRANTS IF WE WERE TO HAVE
FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE
LEGISLATURE AND THERE WERE TO BE
MORE DIRECTION, GIVEN THEIR WAYS
TO FILE YOU KNOW, SOME BUDGET
MODIFICATIONS AND THOSE SORTS OF
THINGS SO LONG AS IT'S
CONSISTENT GENERALLY WITH THE
FEDERAL STATUTE. MISLEAD DID YOU
HAVE A COMMENT FROM OUR
PERSPECTIVE? JUST LIKE KIND OF A
COUPLE OF POINTS FOR LEGISLATIVE
CONSIDERATION AS YOU'RE THINKING
ABOUT IT IN REGARDS TO YOUR
COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE
FOR FISCAL YEARS. THAT'S
ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. I THINK OUR
FOCUS IS ON THE BUDGET YEAR AND
YOU CAN STILL IMPACT THE
DECISIONS FOR THE STATE FUNDING
AND KIND OF AS MISS HOWARD
MENTIONED THERE IS ROOM WITHIN
KIND OF THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES
FOR WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO FUND
SO THIS PROPOSAL FOCUSES ON THE
STATE CHAIR. IT'S TRUE THERE'S A
STATE CHAIR AND LOCAL SHARE, BUT
THIS ONE IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED
TO THE STATE SHARE BECAUSE UNDER
THE PLAN, THE MONEY WOULD BE
GOING TO THE JUDICIAL COUNCIL
PREDOMINANTLY FOR COLLABORATIVE
COURTS. SO AN EXAMPLE IF THE
LEGISLATURE WAS INTERESTED ON
FOCUSING MORE ON GUN VIOLENCE,
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'VE HAD YOU KNOW
THERE ARE PROGRAMS EXISTING
STATE PROGRAMS AT THE STATE
LEVEL THAT DEAL WITH THAT
THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE. BUT THERE COULD ALSO BE
OTHER ALTERNATIVES AS WELL. AND
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST KIND
OF WHAT WE MEAN. IN TERMS OF AS
THE LEGISLATURE IS THINKING
ABOUT IT. YOU DO HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. ON
WHETHER OR NOT IT MATCHES WITH
LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. THAT'S
VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU
APPRECIATE THAT. I DON'T HAVE
ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE.
UM, THANK YOU, MISS HOWARD.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE. WILL NOW BE
MOVING TO THE BOARD OF STATE AND
COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS AND ITEM
NUMBER ONE MISSING AND MURDERED
INDIGENOUS PERSON GRANT
AUGMENTATION. IT'S HARD TO STAND
FOR THIS. THANK YOU. YES I THINK
SOME D O F COLLEAGUES ARE COMING
UP TO START US OFF. YES. WELCOME
BACK, EVERYBODY. SORRY. THANK
YOU. THIS IS A REQUEST TO
PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL 12,000,001
TIME GENERAL FUND TO THE
EXISTING COMPETITIVE GRANT
PROGRAM TO HELP CALIFORNIA
INDIGENOUS TRIBES IDENTIFY
COLLECT CASE LEVEL DATA,
PUBLICIZE AND INVESTIGATE CASES
INVOLVING MISSING AND MURDERED
INDIGENOUS PERSONS. THIS
POPULATION IS DISPROPORTIONATELY
HIGHER RATES OF CRIME AND
VICTIMIZATION COMPARED TO OTHER
POPULATIONS. THANK YOU. MISS
O'NEIL. THANK YOU. WE DO
RECOMMEND REJECTING THIS
PROPOSAL, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE
2022 23 BUDGET ACT. BUT IT
PACKAGE PROVIDED THE SEC WITH 12
MILLION OVER THREE YEARS FOR
THIS PROGRAM. UM IT'S SO IT'S
CURRENTLY IT'S NOT. IT'S
CURRENTLY NOT CLEAR TO WHAT
EXTENT THERE IS ADDITIONAL
DEMAND OR NEED FOR THIS FUNDING
OR WHAT THE NEED IS, UM AND BE
SCC IS ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS
FOR THIS, UM, THAT ALREADY
AUTHORIZED FUNDING. THROUGH JUNE
2023, THEN IT IS REQUIRED TO
SUBMIT AN INITIAL REPORT TO THE
LEGISLATURE ON DECEMBER 1 2023.
SO AT THAT POINT, WE THINK THE
LEGISLATURE WOULD HAVE MORE
INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY
APPLICANTS THERE WERE, WHETHER
THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
APPLICATIONS, APPLICANTS THAT,
UM, THE THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO
FIND OUT WHAT WASN'T ABLE TO
FIND, UM, WHETHER YOU KNOW
THERE'S ADDITIONAL NEED,
ESSENTIALLY ESSENTIALLY FOR UM,
MONEY AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE
FUNDING THAT WAS IN THE 2022
BUDGET? SURE HAVE THOSE
RESOURCES HAVE BEEN AWARDED.
OKAY SURE. THANKS AGAIN. K¾T.
HOWARD WITH THE BSC. SEE UM, THE
REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS THAT HAD
COME THROUGH AN EXECUTIVE
STEERING COMMITTEE PROCESS, A
COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WHERE WE
HAD SUBJECT MATTER. EXPERTS FROM
TRIBES HELP US TO PUT THE
PROPOSAL TOGETHER THAT RFP WAS
APPROVED AT OUR APRIL BOARD
MEETING. AND THE RFP WAS
RELEASED ON APRIL 14TH. WE DID
PUT A PROPOSAL OUT THAT
CONTEMPLATED THE THREE YEARS OF
FUNDING THAT WAS IN LAST YEAR'S
BUDGET. UM AS CAITLYN HAS
MENTIONED, THOSE APPLICATIONS
ARE DUE JUNE 23RD. SO AT THIS
MOMENT, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
APPLICATIONS WE WILL RECEIVE. WE
DID HAVE A BIDDER'S CONFERENCE
LAST WEEK ON MAY THE 12TH.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INTEREST.
BUT AS YET WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY
HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WILL BE
COMING IN. IF FOR EXAMPLE, WE
WERE TO FIND THAT SEVERAL
MILLION MORE QUALIFIED PROPOSALS
CAME IN IN JUNE. WE COULD MOVE
IMMEDIATELY IF THIS WERE TO STAY
IN THE BUDGET TO AWARD MORE
FUNDING OUT OR WE WOULD MOVE
QUICKLY TO RELEASE A NEW RFP.
IF, IN FACT WE DIDN'T GET
SUFFICIENT APPLICATIONS ON THE
FIRST ROUND, SO THAT'S THE
STATUS. I HOPE THAT HELPS. THAT
DOES. THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU
ENGAGING WITH THE TRIBES? UM TO
EVALUATE THESE PROPOSALS AND TO
ALLOCATE THESE RESOURCES TO
ALLOCATE THE RESOURCES WE USE
THE EXECUTIVE STEERING COMMITTEE
PROCESS THAT WE USE FOR MOST OF
OUR COMPETITIVE GRANTS, SO WE
HAVE A COMMITTEE OF SUBJECT
MATTER. EXPERTS COME TOGETHER
AND WORK WITH OUR STAFF TO BUILD
A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND TO
ESTABLISH WHAT THE SCORING
CRITERIA SHOULD BE. AND THEN
THOSE SAME COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINED BY
OUR RESEARCH STAFF TO READ AND
WRITE THE PROPOSALS. AND THEN
THEY ALL OF THAT IS, UM, TALLIED
UP AND PUT TOGETHER AND WE'RE
ANTICIPATING THE RECOMMENDATIONS
TO GO TO OUR BOARD TO AWARD
THESE GRANTS IN SEPTEMBER OF
THIS YEAR. AND IS THERE A TRIBAL
REPRESENTATION ON THIS
EVALUATION? CREDIT? AND THEN DO
YOU ALREADY HAVE METRICS IN
PLACE TO EVALUATE THE OUTCOMES
ON THESE INVESTMENTS? THERE WILL
BE, UM, LOCAL EVALUATION. UM
REPORTS BUILT INTO THE RFP, SO
THOSE WHO ARE APPLYING FOR THE
FUNDING WILL BE AWARE THAT SOME
INFORMATION WILL BE REQUIRED TO
BE REPORTED TO THE DSCC, WHICH
WHICH WE WILL THEN PUT TOGETHER
AS PART OF OUR USUAL GRANT
ADMINISTRATION PROCESS. SO THE
TYPICAL YOU YOU ASKED FOR DATA
COLLECTION FROM THE RECIPIENTS,
AND THEN THEY GIVE THAT BACK TO
THE APARTMENT AND THAT IS THE
DEPARTMENT HAVE SOME SORT OF
EVALUATION PROCESS THAT WE USE
THAT DATA THAT'S COLLECTED TO
MAKE AN OVERALL ASSESSMENT OF
THE WELL. THERE IS AS THE L O
MENTIONED SOME ADDITIONAL
REPORTING THAT THE LEGISLATURE
HAS HAS ASKED US TO DO AND THEN
JUST AS A MATTER OF OUR USUAL
PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES WE
BUILD IN SOME DATA COLLECTION
AND EVALUATION WITH PRETTY MUCH
ALL OF OUR GRANTS. OKAY. THANK
YOU, MR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
ANYBODY YES. YES. PATRICK PLANT
DEPARTMENT FINANCE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE DOES NOT SUPPORT THE
RECOMMENDATION TO REJECT THE
PROPOSAL. UNDERSTAND? THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. UM WE'RE
GONNA GO SLIGHTLY OUT OF ORDER
AND HAVE THE COMMISSION OF PEACE
OFFICER STANDARDS AND TRAINING
GO NEXT ON THEIR ONE ITEM, WHICH
IS SP TWO DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
COSTS.
WELCOME EVERYONE. WHO WANTS TO
BEGIN. WILL START. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HEART AND
MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE MY
NAME IS MANI ALVAREZ. I SERVE AS
THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE
COMMISSION ON PEACE OFFICER,
STANDARDS AND TRAINING. SEATED
TO MY RIGHT IS POST CHIEF
COUNSEL WILLIAM DARDEN. I'LL
KEEP MY REMARKS BRIEF. I
PROMISE. TODAY WE ARE BEFORE YOU
TO REQUEST FUNDING OF 6.1
MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE GENERAL
FUND. IN FISCAL YEAR 2023 2024
$5.3 MILLION ON GOING TO FUND
THE PROSECUTION WORK BY THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FOR COSTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF SENATE BILL
TWO. THIS FUNDING WILL ENABLE
POST TO MEET THE ADMINISTRATIVE
ADJUDICATION RESPONSIBILITIES
ASSOCIATED WITH PEACE OFFICER
DECERTIFICATION ACTIONS BEFORE
THE COMMISSION. POST ESTIMATES
IT WILL RECEIVE THOUSANDS OF
CASES MONTHLY ONCE ALL AGENCIES
BEGIN TO REPORT. ACTS OF SERIOUS
MISCONDUCT TO FULLY REPORT TO
DATE, SOME OF THE LARGEST
AGENCIES HAVE REPORTED
RELATIVELY LOW NUMBERS. BASED ON
EARLY ESTIMATES IN THE VOLUME OF
CASES POST HAS RECEIVED SINCE
JANUARY. ONE OF THIS YEAR. WE
PROJECTED APPROXIMATELY 3500
CASES WILL MEET THE THRESHOLD OF
SERIOUS MISCONDUCT AND THEREBY
SUBJECT AN INDIVIDUAL TO
POSSIBLE REVOCATION. OR
SUSPENSION OF THE PEACE OFFICERS
CERTIFICATION. PEACE OFFICERS
WHO ARE SUBJECT TO HAVING THE
CERTIFICATION REMOVED OR
RESTRICTED, ARE AFFORDED DUE
PROCESS UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE
PROCEDURES ACT. WE ESTIMATE
ROUGHLY APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 15%
OF THESE CASES WILL BE APPEALED.
AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDINGS
WILL BE INITIATED. CASES THAT
ARE APPEALED, WILL BE
TRANSMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE, AS THE DOJ REPRESENTS
STATE AGENCIES AND LITIGATION
MATTERS AND WILL SERVE AS THE
PROSECUTION ARM OF POST AND
PREPARING ADMINISTRATIVE
DISCIPLINARY CASES BEFORE THE
OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE
HEARINGS. THAT CONCLUDES THE
OPENING REMARKS.
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S HEART HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTION WHEN THE
TIME HAS COME. THANK YOU, MR
ROBERTS APPRECIATE YOUR
PRESENTATION. YES THE JOURNALIST
OFFICE. THANK YOU. JAROD SYMBOL
WITH THE L A. OH WE HAVE THREE
RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THIS
PROPOSAL. FIRST WE RECOMMEND
APPROVING THE FUNDING FOR THREE
YEARS RATHER THAN ON AN ONGOING
BASIS, AS PROPOSED BY THE
GOVERNOR BECAUSE POST RECENTLY
IMPLEMENTED THE PEACE OFFICER DE
CERTIFICATION PROGRAM AND DOES
NOT HAVE ACTUAL DATA TO
DETERMINE AN ONGOING LEVEL OF
RESOURCES AT THIS TIME. SECOND
WE RECOMMEND REQUIRING POST TO
REPORT BY JANUARY OF 2026 ON ITS
ANNUAL DOJ COST TO SUPPORT PEACE
OFFICER DECERTIFICATION CASES,
WHICH CAN THEN BE USED TO HELP
INFORM FUTURE FUNDING DECISIONS
. AND THEN FINALLY, WE RECOMMEND
ADOPTING PROVISIONAL LANGUAGE
THAT WOULD REQUIRE ANY UNSPENT
FUNDS TO REVERT TO THE GENERAL
FUND BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT
POST MAY HAVE OVERESTIMATED THE
AMOUNT OF FUNDING NEEDED FOR DOJ
COST GIVEN THAT POST TO STILL
BUILDING STAFFING CAPACITY AND
THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT WILL
REACH THE OFFICE OF THE
MINISTRY. OF HEARINGS IS
UNCERTAIN. SO I THINK YOU KNOW,
BOTTOM LINE. WE, YOU KNOW, WE
RECOGNIZE AND AGREE WITH POST
THAT THERE WILL BE SOME ONGOING
LEVEL OF RESOURCES THAT ARE
NEEDED FOR THIS PROPOSAL.
HOWEVER RIGHT NOW THE
LEGISLATURES THAT DOESN'T HAVE
THE ACTUAL DATA TO THE BASE OF
THE ONGOING DECISIONS ON AND SO
WE THINK IT'S BEST TO MAKE THIS
LIMITED TERM GET POST SOME TIME
TO COLLECT SOME ACTUAL DATA AND
THEN POST CAN RESUBMIT A
PROPOSAL FOR ONGOING RESOURCES
AFTER THAT, SO HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, MR SIMPLE. DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE. SARAH TOMLINSON
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE. WE JUST
LIKE TO STATE THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION ACKNOWLEDGES THAT
ONGOING COSTS RELATED TO
DECERTIFICATION HEARINGS
REPRESENT THE BEST ESTIMATES AT
THIS TIME AND THAT FUTURE COST
MAY VARY. THE ADMINISTRATION'S
POSITION IS THAT ONGOING FUNDING
FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
COSTS RELATED TO ADMINISTER
ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUDICATIONS AS
WITH THE OPPOSITE OF
ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS, COST IS
THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND
REASONABLE APPROACH AS IT
PERTAINS TO CONTINUING TO
SUPPORT POSTS IN THEIR
IMPLEMENTATION OF SP TWO. AND
LASTLY, AS OPPOSED TO SHARED
WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
PREVIOUSLY SP TWO INCLUDES A
NUMBER OF REPORTING REQUIREMENTS
FOR DATA THAT POST MUST SHARE
WITH THE LEGISLATURE. SO WE DO
NOT BELIEVE ANY ADDITIONAL
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ARE
NECESSARY. HOWEVER THE
ADMINISTRATION IS OPEN TO
WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE. TO
THE EXTENT THERE IS INTEREST IN
ADDITIONAL REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU, MR
DONALDSON. UM ALEJO'S
RECOMMENDATION. SOUNDS LIKE A
PRACTICAL ONE WAS CONSIDERING
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO ASSESS
WITH THE ACTUAL WORKLOAD WILL BE
IS POST AMENABLE TO THEIR
RECOMMENDATION. YES IN TERMS OF
THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS AND
THE DEADLINES AND REVERSE
REVERTING THE MONEY BACK TO THE
GENERAL FUND, OF COURSE. UM I
BELIEVE THE BUDGET CHANGE
PROPOSAL REQUESTS ONGOING
FUNDING, AND I THINK THAT MAYBE
THE ONLY, UH, I THINK THAT IS
THE STICKER. YEAH. WE'LL FIGURE
OUT A WAY TO GET THERE. SO THANK
YOU. UM THANK YOU. MR ALVAREZ.
MR DARDEN APPRECIATE YOUR
TESTIMONY TODAY. ANY OTHER
COMMENTS FOR ME TO BE? THANK
YOU. WILL NOW BE MOVING TO OUR
LAST DEPARTMENT, THE OFFICE OF
EMERGENCY SERVICES AND ITEM
NUMBER ONE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
GUN BUYBACK PROGRAM. YEAH.
REALLY? WELCOME EVERYONE. GOOD
EVENING. I'M ERIC SWANSON,
DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AND
ADMINISTRATION FOR THE FIRST
ISSUE. WE'RE PROPOSING 25
MILLION IN ONE TIME GENERAL FUND
FOR A GUN BUYBACK GRANT PROGRAM.
WILL PROVIDE RESOURCES TO
PARTICIPATING LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT CAN
IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM. UNDER THE
GUIDELINES AND TIMELINES SET
FORTH BY US. WE WANT TO ENSURE A
FEW THINGS HERE FIRST THAT THERE
ARE SAFE DISPOSAL OPPORTUNITIES
TO REMOVE THE GUNS FROM THE
STREETS. WE WANT TO BE SURE TO
INCLUDE AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT
, AND WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE COLLECTING DATA SUCH
AS VOLUME AND TYPES OF GUNS
COLLECTED. AND WITH THAT I WILL
TURN IT OVER TO THE NEXT WITNESS
. THANK YOU, MR SWANSON. MR
SIMPLE. THANK YOU, JARED SIMPLE
WITH THE ELIO JUST TO GIVE A
LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT FOR ONE OF
THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE
RELATED TO THIS SO SEPARATELY AS
PART OF THE I THINK MAY REVISION
PROPOSAL, THE GOVERNOR IS
PROPOSING TO REVERT $25 MILLION
IN GENERAL FUND THAT WAS
PROVIDED IN 22 23 FOR B. S. C. C
TO ADMINISTER GUN BUYBACK
PROGRAM WITH THE WHICH ALSO HAD
ACCOMPANYING BUDGET BILL
LANGUAGE SPECIFYING GRANT
ELIGIBILITY AND REQUIREMENTS AND
SO NOW I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING
TO MOVE THAT GUN BACK PART
BUYBACK PROGRAM OVER TWO. OH,
YES. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT
CONTEXT BECAUSE SO ULTIMATELY WE
HAVE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS
. SO FIRST WE'RE RECOMMENDING
APPROVING THE REVERSION OF THE
GUN BUYBACK PROGRAM FROM BSC.
SEE UM AS NONE OF THIS FUNDING
HAS BEEN SPENT OR COMMITTED, IT
WOULD BE BETTER USED TO ADDRESS
THE STATE'S BUDGET SITUATION.
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE ANTICIPATED
REVENUE WEAKNESS. OUR OFFICES
CURRENTLY PROJECTING AND THEN
SECOND, WE WOULD RECOMMEND
REJECTING THE PROPOSED OS
AUGMENTATION TO ADMINISTER THE
GUN BUYBACK PROGRAM, AS IT'S
UNCLEAR WHETHER THE NEW PROGRAM
AT OAS WOULD REDUCE FIREARM
RELATED CRIME FOR A COUPLE OF
REASONS, SO FIRST IT WOULD NO
LONGER BE SUBJECT TO THE
REQUIREMENTS OF THE B S. C C
PROGRAM, WHICH REQUIRED RESEARCH
BASED BASED BEST PRACTICES, SUCH
AS REQUIRING FIREARMS BETWEEN
WORKING ORDER TO RECEIVE AN
INCENTIVE AND PRIORITIZATION OR
THE TYPES OF FIRE. ARMS USED IN
CRIMES OR FOCUSING ON THE TYPES
OF PEOPLE OR LOCATIONS THAT ARE
PRONE TO FIREARM VIOLENCE. AND
THEN SECOND OF THE LACK OF
DETAILS IN THE NEW PROGRAM AT
OAS ALSO RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHETHER THE FUNDING WOULD BE
USED EFFECTIVELY. AND SO, WITH
THAT AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS
, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR SIBYL
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE. HI THERE
TOUCHED HER COMEBACK DEPARTMENT
OF FINANCE, SO THE DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE DOES CONTINUE TO SUPPORT
THE REQUEST AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY
PROPOSED, AND GUN VIOLENCE
CONTINUES TO BE A MAJOR ISSUE
ACROSS THE STATE AND THE NATION
AND ADMINISTRATION DOES CONTINUE
TO SUPPORT GETTING GUNS OFF OF
THE STREETS AND FUNDING FOR THIS
PROGRAM IS IN FURTHERANCE OF
THAT GOAL, SO THE WAY THAT THE
PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO ROLL OUT
IS TO CAPITALIZE ON PROGRAMS
THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING IN
LOCAL COMMUNITIES, AND WE WOULD
RELY ON THOSE BEST PRACTICES
THAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE ALREADY
USING. SO THIS WILL BE A
DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN UNDER
THE B S. C C AND WE SHOULD BE
ABLE TO ROLL IT OUT QUICKER
UNDER CALA ES AND CALAVIUS WOULD
CONTINUE TO TAKE TIME TO LOOK AT
SETTING UP THIS PROGRAM AND THE
BEST GUIDELINES BEST PRACTICES
INFORMED BY THOSE ALREADY
EXISTING LOCAL PROGRAMS, AND
THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT
TIME TO MAKE SURE THIS EXIST.
SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THIS IS CURIOUS. I
DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD BE
MOVING THIS FROM BSC C TWO. OH,
YES. WHAT IS THE REASONING? WHY?
IS THIS, UM WHAT SUBJECT MATTER
. EXPERTISE DOES OS HAVE RELATED
TO GUN VIOLENCE ISSUES. UM, I
THINK. I WOULD SAY THAT PART OF
THE REASON I YOU KNOW, I'M NOT
FAMILIAR WITH THE STRUGGLES JUST
ON THE SURFACE LEVEL THAT B S C
C. HAS BUT OUR GRANTS MANAGEMENT
TEAM HAS ABOUT 100 FEDERAL,
STATE AND GRANT PROGRAMS AND WE
HAVE MORE THAN $807 MILLION THAT
WE GIVE OUT TO SUPPORT LOCAL
GOVERNMENT COMMUNITY BASED
ORGANIZATIONS. AND NON PROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS. WE HAVE MORE THAN
100 STAFF IN THAT PROGRAM, SO WE
HAVE A VERY ACCURATE AND QUICK
AND VERY GOOD. FOLLOW UP IN
TERMS OF MAKING SURE THE GRANT
FUNDS ARE USED FOR THE
APPROPRIATE PURPOSES. THIS IS A
SPECIALTY AREA FOR CALA ES IT
WAS THIS PROPOSAL FROM O E. S TO
THE ADMINISTRATION TO SAY YOU
HAD THE STAFFING AND THE ABILITY
TO MOVE THIS THESE DOLLARS MORE
QUICKLY THAN BE SCC OR HOW HOW
DID THIS CONVERSATION EVOLVED?
STEVEN BENSON DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE, SO NO, IT WASN'T A
CALLOWAY. YES APPROACHED, UM,
AND REQUESTED THE MOVE. I THINK
THERE WAS A SENSE AS THE
ADMINISTRATION CONSIDERED THE
BEST WAY TO GO FORWARD THE
PROGRAM THAT THERE WAS SORT OF A
CHANGE IN OPINIONS AND
ADMINISTRATIONS. THE WHOLE FELT
THAT IT WOULD BE QUICKER TO GET
THE MONEY OUT ON THE STREETS AND
GET THE PROGRAM UP AND GOING IF
THEY USED CALLOWAY. YES, IS THE
IMPLEMENTING DEPARTMENT. AND WHY
ARE THE B S C C REQUIREMENTS NOT
CONTINUING ON IN THIS NEW
APPROACH. YOU KNOW, I THINK
WE'RE OPENING TO THIS IS SORT OF
A WAS A I WOULDN'T. I HATE TO
SAY THIS AND STEPHEN MAY KICK ME
BUT THIS WAS A LAST MINUTE ADD
ON AND SO WE'RE STILL WE'RE OPEN
TO MANY OF THE PROVISIONS THAT
WERE IN THE B. S. C. C. UM
BUDGET LANGUAGE. I UNDERSTAND
THAT THAT WENT THROUGH THE
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, AND ALL
THOSE ISSUES WERE TALKED ABOUT
SOME OF THEM. WE HAVE A LITTLE
BIT OF CONCERN WITH, SO WE'RE
OPEN TO WORKING WITH LEGISLATIVE
STAFF ON, UM ON WHAT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE TO PUT INTO THIS
BUDGET. BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME
THAT WE HAVE CONCERN ABOUT AS
WELL. CAN YOU GO INTO THOSE A
LITTLE BIT? I THINK I THINK WE
WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCAL
MATCH. SOME OF THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT WE MAY
HAVE, UH, SUBMITTING PROPOSALS
FOR OUR GRANT PROGRAM MAY NOT
HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE
THAT. WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT
AND I UNDERSTAND THE L. A. HAS
LOOKED INTO RESEARCH REGARDING
THESE PROGRAMS, BUT SOME OF THE
RESEARCH ALSO SUGGESTS THAT
THESE PROGRAMS WORK,
PARTICULARLY WELFARE. DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE AND SELF VIOLENCE, THE
SUICIDE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE
TOO, THAT WE'RE NOT UM,
DISCOUNTING TYPES OF GUNS THAT
ARE USED FOR THOSE EFFORTS AS
WELL. SO YOUR POINT IS TO TRY TO
BE MORE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN
REACTIVE AND REGARDS TO CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. WELL,
THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL
TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION. THANK YOU, MR
SWANSON. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM
ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU.
THERE WILL BE MOVING TO ITEM
NUMBER TWO. THE STATEWIDE FLOOD
SUPPORT HELLO? STEVEN BENSON
DEPARTMENT FINANCE AGAIN. I'LL
GO AHEAD AND KICK THIS ONE OFF,
SO THE ADMINISTRATION IS
REQUESTING AS PART OF A LARGER
FLOOD PACKAGE THAT WAS WE
UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO BE
HEARD IN ASSEMBLY SAID THREE AS
WELL, SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF
ONE PIECE OF THAT. BUT AS THIS
PIECE THE ADMINISTRATION'S
REQUESTING CONTROL SECTION 11.86
BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET BILL. TO
ADMINISTER $125 MILLION GENERAL
FUND ONE TIME GENERAL FUND FLOOD
CONTINGENCY SET ASIDE UM, THAT'S
A PART OF THE PACKAGE, AND THIS
SET ASIDE WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY
TO SUPPORT THE COST ASSOCIATED
WITH PREPAREDNESS RESPONSE
RECOVERY AND OTHER ASSOCIATED
ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THE 2023
STORMS. THE ANTICIPATED SNOW, UM
MELT OFF AND THEN OTHER FLOODING
RISKS WOULD INCLUDE, BUT NOT BE
LIMITED TO SUPPORTING
COMMUNITIES VULNERABLE
POPULATIONS, SUCH AS FARM
WORKERS FROM THE IMPACTS OF
THESE EVENTS. UM I THINK
PROBABLY WELL COVERED THAT
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN
IMPACTED BY THE STORMS AND THE
FLOOD. AND SO THIS IS A SET
ASIDE TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF
THE NEEDS THAT WILL ARISE THAT
CAN'T BE ADDRESSED BY OUR SORT
OF PRE EXISTING DISASTER FUNDING
MECHANISM REFERRED TO HIS TRIO
OF THE DISASTER RESPONSE
EMERGENCY OPERATIONS ACCOUNT.
THANK YOU, MR SIMPLE. THANK YOU,
JARED. SIMPLE WITH THE L A. OH,
WE HAVE SOME. WE'LL HAVE SOME
BROADER COMMENTS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE
GOVERNOR'S MAY REVISION PLUG
PACKAGE THAT MY COLLEAGUE MR
VINCENT MENTIONED, BUT JUST
SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPOSAL. UH
WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE
LEGISLATURE CONSIDER APPROVING
THE $125 MILLION FROM THE
GENERAL FUND FOR CONTINGENCIES.
WE WOULD NOTE THAT THE
PARTICULAR AMOUNT PROPOSED 100
AND 25 MILLION IS THE AMOUNT
THAT THE GOVERNOR HAD PROPOSED
FOR DROUGHT CONTINGENCIES IN
JANUARY, WHICH THE
ADMINISTRATION NOW IS PROPOSING
TO REDIRECT FOR FLOOD, UH,
CONTINGENCIES. AND SO, WITH THAT
IN MIND, WE'D ALSO RECOMMEND
THAT THE LEGISLATURE CONSIDER
MODIFYING THE PROPOSAL IN A
COUPLE OF WAYS. FIRST, WE
SUGGEST THAT THE LEGISLATURE
CONSIDER MAKING THE FUNDING
AVAILABLE FOR BOTH DROUGHT AND
FLOOD RELATED CONTINGENCIES.
SUCH AS ENSURING ACCESS TO
DRINKING WATER OR HELPING
VULNERABLE HOUSEHOLDS RECOVER
FROM FLOOD DAMAGE, EVEN THOUGH
THE STATE HAS HAD A VERY WET
WINTER AND HYDROLOGIC CONDITIONS
OF THE STATE HAVE IMPROVED.
THERE ARE STILL PARTS OF THE
STATE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, BEING
IMPACTED BY DROUGHT. SECOND WE
ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE
LEGISLATURE ADD MORE
ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES TO THE
CONTROL SECTION LANGUAGE TO
INCREASE LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE LANGUAGE
COULD INCLUDE NOTIFICATION TO
THE J. L. B C TO OCCUR 10 DAYS
PRIOR TO MAKING AN ALLOCATION.
IN ADDITION, THE LANGUAGE COULD
ALSO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL
PARAMETERS, SUCH AS REQUIRING
THAT FUNDING NEW PRIORITIZED FOR
EXPENDITURES THAT ARE NOT
ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL OR LOCAL
FUNDING. AND SO WITH THAT HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
HAVE. THANK YOU. MR SWANSON. DO
YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT THE
ALLOWING THE FUNDING TO BE OF
ELIGIBLE FOR DROUGHT AS WELL AS
FOR FLOOD CONTROL? WHERE'S THAT
QUESTION IF I COULD ACTUALLY
WEIGH IN ON THAT, SO WE WERE
LOOKING FOR WHEN WE MADE THE
SWITCH, ACTUALLY IS, WE'RE
TRYING TO COMPARE SORT OF
LANDSCAPE OF THE BILL FUNDING
FOR BOTH ISSUES, SO I'LL JUST
NOTE THAT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS, THE BUDGETS INCLUDED $1.5
BILLION FOR IMMEDIATE DROUGHT
SUPPORT, WHICH INCLUDED DIRECT
RELIEF FOR COMMUNITIES. JUST IN
THE LAST WEEK, WE ALLOCATED 71
MILLION OF CURRENT YEAR DROUGHT
CONTINGENCY TO SUPPORT FOR
FARMWORKER RELIEF. FOR TRUCKING
IN WATER FOR, UM I MEAN
REMEDIATION OF DRY WELLS AND
THEN ALSO IN RECENT BUDGETS,
THERE'S BEEN 738 MILLION. UH
WITH AN ADDITIONAL 201 MILLION
PROPOSED IN THE GOVERNOR'S
BUDGET FOR FLOOD INVESTMENTS,
BUT THAT'S MOSTLY FOCUSED ON
LEVY PROJECT. SO REALLY, WHAT WE
WERE AIMING TO DO WITH THIS IS
SORT OF FILL A GAP THAT THOSE
OTHER TWO EXISTING SOURCES OF
FUNDING AREN'T ALREADY
ADDRESSING. AND THAT IS MOSTLY
SORT OF THE RESULTS THAT COME
FROM THESE MORE RECENT EVENTS.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE
SORT OF OUR THOUGHT. IN TERMS OF
THE DROUGHT VERSUS THE FLOOD IS
THERE'S THIS SORT OF GAP THAT WE
WANTED TO FILL THEIR IN TERMS OF
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS. I THINK
WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSING WITH
LEGISLATIVE HALF IS THE
REQUIREMENTS OF REPORTING
WHETHER CAN YOU GIVE AN OVERVIEW
TO ABOUT THE FEDERAL FUNDS AND
REIMBURSEMENT THAT WE RECEIVED
SO FAR OR CAN ANTICIPATE SO FAR
FROM THE FLOOD DISASTER SUPPORT
REQUESTS, SO WHAT I WOULD KNOW
SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IS WITHIN THE
DISASTER RESPONSE AREA. THERE IS
A PRESIDENTIAL MAJOR DISASTER
DECLARATION THAT'S BEEN DECLARED
AND SO THAT OPENS THE DOOR TO
FEMA, PROVIDING SOME
REIMBURSEMENT. THOSE
REIMBURSEMENTS HAVEN'T COME INTO
THE STATE YET. WHAT WILL HAPPEN
IS THEY I SHOULD REALLY LET S
TALK ABOUT THIS AS WE GET IT,
BUT I CAN DO SOME HIGH. UM AS
COSTS ARE SORT OF INCURRED AND
COLLECTED. THEY GET REPORTED
INTO FEMA WHO HAS BEEN A REVIEW
PROCESS AND SO USUALLY ENDS UP
TAKING SEVERAL MONTHS. IN SOME
CASES, YOU KNOW, EVEN SEVERAL
YEARS BEFORE THE MONEY COMES
BACK IN FROM FEMA, BUT WE WILL
CERTAINLY BE MAXIMIZING. THERE'S
THE MIDDLES FROM RESPONSE COSTS.
AND THEN THEY ALSO THAT THE
DECLARATION INCLUDES SOME OF THE
CATEGORIES THAT GO TOWARDS
PERMANENT REPAIRS, BUT THAT'LL
TURN IT IN IN THE NATURE OF THE
PROJECTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT,
BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY MAXIMIZE
THE USE OF THAT, AND YOU'RE
MONITORING THE LOCAL AGENCY
REQUESTS FOR REIMBURSEMENT AS
WELL, JUST SORT OF HAVE A AN
OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE STATES
NEEDING IN TERMS OF
REIMBURSEMENT FROM ABSOLUTELY
ALL OF THE, UH, FEMA. REQUESTS
AND FUNDING COMING BACK. ALL
FLOWS THROUGH ES, WHETHER IT'S
LOCAL OR STATE OR NONPROFIT.
FRANKLY, EVEN IT ALL GOES
THROUGH. YES THERE'S MONITORING
OF ALL OF IT, AND SO FAR
EVERYTHING SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING
ACCORDING TO PLAN. I MEAN, IT'S
ALWAYS JUST LATE AND DELAYED AND
IT TAKES TIME TO WORK THROUGH
THE PROCESS. BUT THERE'S NO RED
FLAGS AT THIS POINT THAT WOULD
HAVE YOU CONCERNED WITH KELLY
GONNA LET YOU AGAIN. I THINK
IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR US TO
JUDGE BECAUSE WE FIND OUT WE
CAN'T CONTROL THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT'S TIMELINE, AND THEY
OFTEN TAKE YEARS TO EVALUATE
THESE PROPOSALS, AND THEY
SOMETIMES COME UP WITH ISSUES WE
HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED BEFORE, BUT
SO FAR EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE
IT'S GOING ACCORDING TO PLAN AND
WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH THE
FEDERAL DECLARATION BECAUSE THAT
HELPS US IMMENSELY TO GET THOSE
REIMBURSEMENTS. IN FACT, MAYBE
WOULD ADD CORRECT ME IF I'M
WRONG, BUT I THINK ACTUALLY
FEMA'S REGION FOLKS HAVE BEEN
SORT OF EMBEDDED IS THE RIGHT
WORD. BUT THEY'VE BEEN AT OS
WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF THIS
STUFF ALONG THE WAY, TOO, SO
THAT HELPS REALLY HELPFUL TO
MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE
APPLICATIONS ARE ACCURATE AND
WELL DONE. HAVE THE BEST CHANCE
FOR REIMBURSEMENT. THANK YOU, UM
, THE REGARDING THE L. A S
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE
LEGISLATURE WOULD BENEFIT FROM
RECEIVING NOTIFICATION. PRIOR TO
FUNDING GOING OUT RATHER THAN
AFTER IS THE ADMINISTRATION
AMENABLE TO THE ALEJO'S
RECOMMENDATION, BEEN TALKING
ABOUT THE STAFF? I DON'T THINK
THERE'S A MAJOR RED FLAG WITH
DOING THAT. THIS ISN'T THE SAME
NATURE SORT OF EMERGENCY
RESPONSE STUFF. YOU HAVE A TRIO
A SO OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THANK YOU ALL APPRECIATE YOUR
TESTIMONY. AND NOW WE'LL BE
MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER THREE
SOUTHERN REGION EMERGENCY
OPERATIONS CENTER. YES FOR OUR
NEXT AGENDA ITEM. WE'RE
PROPOSING TO CONTINUE THE DESIGN
BUILD PHASE OF THE NEW SOUTHERN
REGIONAL EMERGENCY OPERATION
CENTER. THE REQUEST IS FOR COSTS
OF 170 POINT. 74.7 MILLION OVER
ABOUT FOUR YEARS. FOR THIS PHASE
, THE DESIGN BUILD SOLICITATION
PROCESS IS ESTIMATED TO BEGIN IN
NOVEMBER. 22,023 BE COMPLETED BY
OCTOBER, 2024. THE DESIGN BUILD
PHASE IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN IN
OCTOBER. 2024 WILL BE COMPLETED
IN SEPTEMBER. 2027. THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU. HELLO MY NAME IS MARK
GREEN. I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR
FOR LOGISTICS AT CAL. OH, YES.
THIS CAPITAL OUTLAY, BCP
CONTINUES TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT
THE DEVELOPMENT. CONSTRUCTION OF
CALI, US IS SOUTHERN REGION
EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER AT
THE FAIRVIEW DEVELOPMENTAL
CENTER IN COSTA MESA, CALIFORNIA
WITH THE TARGET COMPLETION DATE
OF 2027, JUST IN TIME FOR THE TO
SUPPORT THE 2028 OLYMPICS IN THE
L. A AREA. THIS PROJECT IS
CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN BUILD
FACE AND IS MANAGED BY THE
DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES
WITH INPUT AND SUPPORT FROM
CALIFORNIA'S IS THE CUSTOMER
AGENCY. THE SOUTHERN REGIONAL
OFFICE FOR KELLY S IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR 11. CALIFORNIA
COUNTIES, 226 INCORPORATED
CITIES AND MORE THAN HALF OF THE
STATE'S POPULATION. MANY OF THE
STATES CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE,
BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, RESIDES
IN THIS REGION. THIS INCLUDES
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS, SOME OF
THE NATION'S LARGEST SEAPORTS,
MAJOR AEROSPACE AND ENGINEERING
SECTORS, RESEARCH FACILITIES,
BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC. AND
MAJOR REFINERY OPERATIONS. THIS
PROPOSAL SUPPORTS THE FOLLOWING
IT GIVES US A LONG TERM GOAL TO
IT HELPS SUPPORT THE LONG TERM
GOAL TO RELOCATE THE CURRENT
SOUTHERN OPERATIONS CENTER,
WHICH IS IN 2 20. 2 25 YEAR OLD
TRAILERS SITTING ON JOINT FORCES
TRAINING BASED LOS ALAMITOS, UM
AND MOVE IT INTO A MORE MODERN
FACILITY. IT SUPPORTS THE
IMPROVED RESPONSE AND INCIDENT
COMMAND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA INCIDENTS
AND EMERGENCIES AND INCLUDING
THIS WOULD BE THE SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA CATASTROPHIC PLAN IN
SUPPORT OF A MAJOR INCIDENT IN
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. AND IT
PROVIDES A FOCAL POINT FOR
MOBILIZING AND ASSEMBLING,
ASSEMBLING RESPONSE ASSETS FOR
INCIDENTS AND EMERGENCIES. IT
ALSO PROVIDES AN ALTERNATE STATE
OPERATIONS CENTER FOR SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA INCIDENT AND SUPPORTS
THE STATE'S CONTINUITY OF
GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS. THAT
CALLOWAY YES SUPPORTS. AND IT
ALLOWS FOR THE USE OF THE SITE
FOR TRAINING AT THE LOCAL,
MUNICIPAL, COUNTY AND REGIONAL
LEVELS, INCLUDING USING THE
CALIFORNIA SPECIALIZED TRAINING
INSTITUTE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
PROCESS THAT CALORIE HAS
PROVIDES. AND OF COURSE, THIS
WILL PROVIDE INCIDENT COMMAND
FOR SPECIFIC PUBLIC EVENTS SUCH
AS THE 2028 OLYMPICS. SO WITH
THAT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS
PROPOSAL AND MY COLLEAGUE AND I
ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR GREEN. MR.
SWANSON, MR SIMPLE. THANK YOU,
JARED. SIMPLE WITH THE L. A O
FOR THIS PROPOSAL, RECOMMENDING
REJECTING IT AT THIS TIME, AS
IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER OH, YES
NEEDS A NEW SOUTHERN REGIONAL
EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER AND
THE ABSENCE OF AN UPCOMING UM,
WE S PREPAREDNESS RESPONSE
CAPACITY AND NEEDS REPORT THE 22
23 BUDGET PACKAGE. UM REQUIRES
OS TO SUBMIT THIS REPORT, WHICH
WILL IDENTIFY THINGS SUCH AS UM
, THE DEPARTMENT'S EXISTING
EMERGENCY RESPONSE CAPACITY AND
RESOURCES. STATE EMERGENCY
RESPONSE GOALS. OBJECTIVES HAS
METRICS AS WELL AS A DESCRIPTION
OF THE STATE'S ABILITY TO MEET
THE IDENTIFIED EMERGENCY GOALS,
OBJECTIVES AND METRICS, AND WE
THINK THIS INFORMATION WOULD
BETTER POSITION THE LEGISLATURE
TO ASSESS THE MERITS AND NEEDS
OF THIS CENTER AFTER IT
SUBMITTED SO AGAIN ONCE THIS
INFORMATION IS PROVIDED, THE
ADMINISTRATION COULD RESUBMIT
THIS PROPOSAL FOR A LEGISLATIVE
CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU WANT TO
FIND US? DOMINIC DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE. WE JUST HAD A FEW
COMMENTS TO NOTE THE
PROGRAMMATIC NEED FOR THIS
PROJECT WAS RECOGNIZED TWO YEARS
AGO THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE'S
APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. AT
THAT TIME, THE FUNDING REQUESTED
FOR THIS PROPOSAL IS THE NEXT
PHASE OF A CONTINUING PROJECT
AND DELAYING THIS PROJECT WILL
INCREASE THE COSTS OF THIS
PROJECT, POTENTIALLY BY 10
MILLION AND MORE PER YEAR. UM
CAN OH, YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THE
CRITICAL NEED IS TO START THIS
YEAR, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING SIX
MONTHS TO GET THE STRATEGIC PLAN
BACK AND LET ME JUST SAY TO ITS
, UM, THAT WOULD DESCRIBE THE
REPORT LESS AS A STRATEGIC PLAN
. WE DO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN.
THAT'S ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WE
UPDATE EVERY THREE OR FOUR YEARS
. IT'S MORE OF A OPERATIONAL GAP
ANALYSIS. AND WHAT? I DON'T
THINK I DON'T THINK THE REPORT
ITSELF WILL UH, LEAD TO
RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON
INFRASTRUCTURE. THE REPORT
ITSELF IS MORE BASED ON THIS IS
THE NATIONAL STATE AND LOCAL
PICTURE OF DISASTER RESPONSE IN
CALIFORNIA. AND WHERE ARE THERE?
GAPS? I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING
TO BE GETTING INTO, UM,
SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE
WAREHOUSES ARE THAT SUPPORT THAT
NEED AND SOME OF THE OPERATIONS
CENTERS. THIS IS MORE OF A AH, I
WOULD SAY THIS IS A NEED BECAUSE
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A, UH.
SPACE WHERE IF OUR HEADQUARTERS
IS NOT WORKING AT MATHER, WE
HAVE A REDUNDANT HEADQUARTERS IN
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. AS YOU
KNOW, MOST OF OUR POPULATION,
VOICES AND CITIZENS IN SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA. AND THIS WILL ALSO
PROVIDE UM, A STAGING GROUND FOR
DISASTERS THAT OCCURRED THERE
AND I'M GONNA TURNED OVER TO MR
GREENE, WHO MADE SUCCINCTLY
DESCRIBE SOME OF THE OTHER
REASONS WHY WE THINK THIS IS A
HIGH PRIORITY AT THIS TIME. YES
SO THIS UM THIS THIS GAP
ASSESSMENT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK
AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE
OR THE DOCTRINAL POLICIES THAT
THAT WE FOLLOW, YOU KNOW? OH,
YES. CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE,
86, 07 AND CALIFORNIA EMERGENCY
SERVICES ACT REQUIRED THAT
GOVERNOR, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES
LOCAL, MUNICIPAL COUNTY AND
REGIONAL, UM, HAVE AND OPERATE
UNDER THE STANDARDIZED EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, OR SIMS. AND
PART OF THAT SOUNDS IS HAVING
VIABLE EMERGENCY OPERATION
COMMAND POSTS AND RIGHT NOW
WE'RE ASKING FOR ONE, BECAUSE
WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS A STATE OF
THE ART ONE. NOW WE HAVE AN OLD
ONE THAT'S IN 2 25 YEAR OLD
TRAILERS SITTING AT THE JOINT
FORCES TRAINING BASE, LOS
ALAMITOS, UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE
YOU TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT
POINT. ALSO THIS ENDEAVOR HAS
BEEN GOING ON FOR NINE YEARS AND
STILL HAS ABOUT 4 4.5 YEARS TO
GET US ACROSS THE GOAL LINE. AND
ANY, UM, ANY SLOWING DOWN OF
THIS, UM YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO
DGS THIS MORNING AND AT LEAST A
10% INCREASE IN COSTS. IF WE
TAKE A PAUSE HERE FOR A YEAR OR
TWO BEFORE WE GET THIS BACK UP
AND RUNNING. AND SO THIS CREATES
A PROBLEM FOR US AND THEN ALSO,
THERE ARE SEVERAL PARTS OF THIS
OPERATION THAT ARE ALREADY IN
MOVEMENT BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN
GOING ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND
THAT IS WE'RE WORKING ON THE
RESPONSIBLE DEPARTURE OFF OF
JOINT FORCES TRAINING BASE, LOS
ALAMITOS OVER THE NEXT YEAR,
MOVING TO A SWING SPACE THAT'S
ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. IN SANTA
ANA, WHICH IS JUST SOME
ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE TO PUT,
UM, THE OPERATIONS CENTER WHILE
WE BUILD THE PHASE OR BUILD THE
ACTUAL STRUCTURE IN, UM IN THE
FAIRVIEW AND SO THE CONSEQUENCE
OF POSITIVES PROJECT WILL
NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR CURRENT
OPERATIONS WILL IMPACT THE
FUTURE CONTINUITY OPERATIONS AND
OF COURSE, IT WILL CAUSE US SOME
PROBLEMS WITH FUTURE EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT CAPABILITIES. SO OUR
RECOMMENDATION IS TO IS TO GO
WITH THE BCP. CONTINUE FUNDING
IT AND LET'S GET THIS BALL
ACROSS THE GOAL LINE AND OPEN UP
THE SITE. ZOE S HAVE A CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT LOOKS
AHEAD OVER TIME. AS TO WHAT
INVESTMENTS YOU NEED TO MAKE AND
YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE WORK
CLOSELY WITH DGS ON ALL OF OUR
FACILITIES LEASED AND OWNED
FACILITIES. AND SO WE HAVE A
PROGRAM THAT WE LOOK AT THOSE WE
LOOK AT THE LIFE CYCLE
MANAGEMENT. FOR THOSE, FOR
EXAMPLE, WE HAVE ANOTHER
FACILITY IN UM IN EXCUSE ME IN
THE FAIRFIELD AREA HERE IN THE
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA THAT'S JUST
LIVED ITS LIFE. AND SO WE'RE
MOVING INTO A FACILITY THAT WILL
BE ABLE TO PROVIDE STATE OF THE
ART, UM, OFFICE SPACE AND SO
FORTH. WHEREAS THE OTHER SITE
WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY
INADEQUATE AND NOT APPROPRIATE.
BUT THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE WE
LOOK AT THE LIFE CYCLE
MANAGEMENT OF ALL OF OUR
FACILITIES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE WE'RE PAYING THE RIGHT
AMOUNT OF MONEY. WE WE'VE GOT
THE WE GOT THE RIGHT UP KEEP
GOING ON AND THAT IT'S SERVING
THE NEEDS OF WHATEVER PART OF
THE PROGRAM THAT OS IS RUNNING
THERE. AND IF YOU I THINK YOU
JUST TO BE CLEAR TO WE DO SUBMIT
A FIVE YEAR INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.
AND THESE PROJECTS ARE ALL PART
OF THAT PLAN. YES YES, INCLUDING
THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT RIGHT NOW. ALRIGHT MR
SYMBOL. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU
WANT TO ADD TO ANY OF THIS? I
GUESS THE ONLY THING I'D ADD IS
I MEAN, I THINK OUR HOPE IS FROM
THIS REPORT IS THAT WE WOULD
KIND OF GET A LAY OF THE LAND IN
TERMS OF KIND OF HERE'S THE
DISASTER KIND OF STATE OF
DISASTERS IN CALIFORNIA. HERE'S
THE CAPACITY AT THE DEPARTMENT,
AND ALL OF THIS WOULD KIND OF,
UM, THIS WOULD STILL KIND OF FIT
WITHIN THAT DISCUSSION OF WHERE
DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND
ASSETS EVERYTHING SHOULD BE
POSITIONED, INCLUDING HELPING
INFORM LIKE WHAT WOULD HAVE YOU
KNOW SOUTHERN? WHAT WOULD THIS
EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER NEED
IN ORDER TO HELP RESPOND TO
THESE? SO I THINK THAT'S FROM
OUR PERSPECTIVE. WHY? WE THOUGHT
IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT
BEFORE WE MAKE THE DECISION TO
GO FORWARD ON THIS, SO THANK YOU
FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR
YOUR INPUT TODAY. APPRECIATE
THAT. AND THAT WILL BE MOVING TO
OUR LAST ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM
NUMBER FOUR STATEWIDE DISASTER
WAREHOUSING OPERATIONS. AS YOU
MAY RECALL. LAST YEAR, YOU AND
YOUR COLLEAGUES INVESTED 114.3
MILLION GENERAL FUND ON A ONE
TIME BASIS IN 2000 TO 2022 23 TO
PROVIDE WAREHOUSE SPACE AND
COMMODITIES FOR DISASTERS AND
PERSONAL PROTECTION EQUIPMENT.
THIS YEAR. WE'RE REQUESTING 43
POINT, 3,004,023 24 VARIOUS
AMOUNTS OF THE OUT YEAR LISTED
ON YOUR AGENDA OR IN THE BCP AND
15 POSITIONS FOR STATEWIDE MULTI
AGENCY, DISASTER RESPONSE AND
RECOVERY. THIS REQUEST INCLUDES
FUNDING TO MAINTAIN THE STATE'S
COUNTY STATE OF CALIFORNIA'S PPE
OR STOCKPILING PROGRAM.
CONSISTENT WITH THE SMARTER
PLAN. AND WITH ME TODAY IS MR
GREEN TO PROVIDE BACKGROUND ON
THE REQUEST. UM CALORIES HAS
DEVELOPED A LONG TERM PLAN FOR
THE WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION
OF MEDICAL, PERSONAL PROTECTIVE
EQUIPMENT AND ALL HAZARD
COMMODITIES TO SUPPORT FUTURE
INCIDENTS AND EMERGENCIES WHILE
MAINTAINING A FISCALLY
RESPONSIBLE LOGISTICAL SOLUTION
FOR THE STATE. THIS SOLUTION
INCLUDES FIRST MOVING FROM A
PANDEMIC HIGH WAREHOUSING
FOOTPRINT OF 2.5 MILLION SQUARE
FEET AT NINE LOCATIONS TO
RESPONSIBLY SIZED SOLUTION OF
586,000 SQUARE FEET INTO
REGIONAL WAREHOUSES, UH, IN THE
IN THE TOWN OF DIXON IN NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA AND IN SAN BERNARDINO
IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. THIS
PROVIDES SUPPORT FOR THE STATES'
SMARTER PLAN TO STOCKPILE 75
MILLION HIGH QUALITY MASS AND TO
PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WAREHOUSE
SPACE FOR STORAGE AND
DISTRIBUTION OF COVID TEST KITS
, WHICH IS MANAGED BY THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC
HEALTH. BUT WE WORK VERY CLOSELY
WITH THEM AND SUPPORT OF THEIR
STORAGE NEEDS. IT PROVIDES
SUPPORT FOR WAREHOUSING AND
DISTRIBUTION OF MASS CARE,
COMMODITIES AND STORAGE OF
DISASTER LOGISTICS EQUIPMENT.
AND IT PROVIDES A SHORT TERM
WAREHOUSING, SPACE AND SUPPORT
OF THE LOGISTICS AND COMMODITY
MOVEMENT TASK FORCE AS EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT. LOGISTICS NEEDS
ARISE. THE 430 POINT OR THE 43.3
MILLION REQUESTS IN THE BCP IS
REALLY BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR
SPECIFIC AREAS. 9.5 MILLION IS
FROM MANAGING THE STOCKPILE OF
MEDICAL PPE IN ACCORDANCE WITH
THE SMARTER PLAN, AS WELL AS
SUSTAINING THE SIXTH CALIFORNIA
MEDICAL STATIONS IN INVENTORY BY
THE WAY. CALIFORNIA MEDICAL
STATION IS A 50 PATIENT HOSPITAL
KIT THAT CAN BE SET UP TO
SUPPLEMENT EXISTING HOSPITAL
CAPABILITY TO ANY TO SUPPORT ANY
MEDICAL SURGES. THEN THERE'S 2.7
MILLION FOR STAFFING OF 15
PERMANENT STATE EMPLOYEES AND
MANAGE WAREHOUSE OPERATIONS,
BOTH IN DIXON AND SAN
BERNARDINO. 26.5 MILLION FOR
WAREHOUSE LEASES, WAREHOUSE AND
DISTRIBUTION OPERATIONS.
MANAGEMENT COSTS FOR FACILITY
WRAPAROUND SUPPORT, SUCH AS
INCLUDING SUCH THINGS AS
SECURITY, CUSTODIAL AND
UTILITIES, 11 LEASE VEHICLES AND
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TO
SUPPORT FOR RECEIVING STORAGE,
INVENTORY CONTROL AND SHIPPING
OF WAREHOUSING, MATERIALS AND
COMMODITIES. AND FINALLY, 4.1
MILLION FOR THE FOLLOWING, WHICH
IS RACKING SYSTEMS SO THAT WE
CAN BETTER UP SPACE, OPTIMIZING
THE WAREHOUSING AREA EIGHT
TRAILERS FOR PREPOSITION THAT
HAVE PRE POSITIONED OF MATERIALS
AND COMMODITIES NEAR INCIDENT
AREAS AND MATERIAL HANDLING
EQUIPMENT PURCHASES OF EIGHT
FORKLIFT SO THAT WE ELIMINATE
THE HIGHER COST OF RUNNING THIS
THIS EQUIPMENT. MUCH OF THE WORK
HAS BEEN DONE TO ENVISION WHAT
THE STATE'S WAREHOUSING
SOLUTIONS SHOULD LOOK LIKE AS WE
EXIT THE PANDEMIC, THE SMARTER
PLAN AS WELL AS SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA BAY AREA AND CASCADIA
SUBDUCTION CATASTROPHIC PLANS
HAVE BEEN GOOD TOOLS FOR US TO
DEVELOP A VISION FOR WAREHOUSING
OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS
WHILE BEING MINDFUL OF THE
STATE'S SCARCE RESOURCES. I JUST
WANT TO 0.1 THING OUT HERE IN
THE RECENT WITH THE ATMOSPHERIC
RIVERS. WE WENT OUT OF OUR
WAREHOUSES AND WE ESTABLISHED
NINE STAGING AREAS STRATEGICALLY
PLACED THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA SO THAT WE COULD HAVE
ALL HAZARD EQUIPMENT, COTS.
BLANKETS UM, M R E S AND WATER
SO THAT WE COULD HELP ANYONE AT
ANY MOMENT. SO THE CAPABILITY
THAT WE HAVE HERE UM, IS TO IS
TO RAPIDLY PUT THIS OUT TO HELP
ANYONE. NOW THERE ARE REDUNDANT
CAPABILITIES, AMERICAN RED CROSS
FEMA AND SO FORTH. BUT THEY TAKE
3 TO 5 DAYS TO SHOW UP TO THE
SHOW. AND WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY
OF SHOWING UP IN 12 TO 24 HOURS
AND TO HELP PEOPLE AND THAT'S
THAT'S WHAT THIS WAREHOUSING
CAPABILITY PROVIDES. AND SO WE
RECOMMEND THAT THAT THE
LEGISLATURE APPROVES THE
REQUEST, AS IS THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, MR GREEN. MR SIMPLE. THANK
YOU, JARED SYMBOL WITH THE LOW
FOR THIS PROPOSAL. WE RECOMMEND
APPROVING THE REQUEST FOR ONE
YEAR RATHER THAN ON AN ONGOING
BASIS, AS PROPOSED BY THE
GOVERNOR TO ALLOW FOR
REEVALUATION AFTER OH YES,
SUBMITS THE REPORT THAT I
REFERENCED IN OUR PRIOR
DISCUSSION. UH, WE THINK THAT
THIS INFORMATION WOULD ALLOW THE
LEGISLATURE TO BETTER ASSESS THE
MERITS OF THE PROPOSAL AND THE
LEGISLATURE CAN RESUBMIT.
PROPOSAL FOR ONGOING RESOURCES
FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION
AFTER THAT TIME, SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. DEPARTMENT FACE. TEST
YOUR COMEBACK DEPARTMENT OF
FINANCE FINANCE JUST CONTINUE TO
SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSALS,
SPECIFICALLY THE ONGOING FUNDING
FOR THE WAREHOUSING. UM AND THE
REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE KNOW
THAT THERE IS AN ONGOING NEED IN
THIS SPACE AND THE GAP
ASSESSMENT OR THE STRATEGIC PLAN
AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A
LITTLE BIT EARLIER, UM THE GAP
ASSESSMENT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE
WILL MINIMIZE WHAT WE KNOW THE
NEED FOR THAT ONGOING CONTINUITY
OF OPERATIONS IS IN THE
STATEWIDE DISASTER, WAREHOUSING
SPACE. SO GIVEN THE MARKET AND
OTHER FACTORS, THE WAREHOUSING
SPACE THAT OH, YES HAS NOW IS A
GOOD LOCATION. WE HAVE A GOOD
RATE. SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE
NEED TO LOCK IT IN NOW FOR
CONTINUITY OF SERVICES AND AN
ADDITIONAL POINT OF IMPORTANCE.
IS THAT ANY LEASE THAT WE CAN
NEGOTIATE FOR THE SPACE THAT WE
OPERATE, WILL REQUIRE FUNDING
FOR A PERIOD LONGER THAN ONE
YEAR, SO WE DON'T THINK THAT
APPROVING JUST ONE YEAR OF
FUNDING FOR THIS IS THAT IS A
WORKABLE PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU FOR THAT. WILL THE STRATEGIC
PLAN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE
PREVIOUS ITEM AND OBVIOUSLY
HELPS INFORM THIS AS WELL? UH,
COORDINATE WITH LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS AND NONPROFITS. IS
THAT GOING TO IS THAT PART OF
THE SCOPE OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN
TO LOOK AT HOW, UM, DISASTER
RESPONSES? UM COORDINATED
AMONGST ALL THE DIFFERENT ACTORS
AND, YEAH, FIRST LANGUAGE IN THE
STRATEGIC PLAN THAT MENTIONS
THAT I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF IT
MENTIONS NON PROFIT, BUT IT'S
CERTAINLY MENTIONS. FEDERAL,
STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND
HOW THEY PROVIDE DISASTER
SERVICES SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT
BECAUSE IN MY DISTRICT, UM
DIRECT RELIEF INTERNATIONAL IS A
MAJOR PLAYER, THEY PROVIDE
DISASTER ASSISTANCE ALL AROUND
THE GLOBE, AND THEY'RE LOCATED
IN MY DISTRICT IN SANTA BARBARA
, AND JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEIR RESOURCES AND, UM
FACILITIES ARE INTEGRATED INTO
THE STATE'S SYSTEM AS WELL
BECAUSE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT
RESOURCE THAT SHOULD BE LIES TO
MAXIMUM DEGREE. THIS IS ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT ARE REGIONS DO
IS THEY INTERFACE VERY, VERY
DETAILED WITH THE COUNTIES AND
LOCAL EMERGENCY OPERATION
MANAGEMENT PEOPLE AND THEN GOING
BACK TO TALKING ABOUT THE RIAK.
UM IT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE
HAVE TO MAINTAIN THOSE, UM THOSE
REGIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO
IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATING WITH
WITH THE LOCAL AND COMMUNITY
LEVELS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. WELL
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP
TODAY. UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE
THIS CONVERSATION AND WORK
TOGETHER TO GET A BUDGET THAT
WORKS FOR EVERYBODY AND PROTECTS
ALL CALIFORNIANS FROM THE
SIGNIFICANT DISASTERS WE'VE BEEN
EXPERIENCING. I THINK THAT
EVERYBODY IN OUR STATE AND
UNDERSTANDS FULLY WELL HOW
IMPORTANT DISASTER RESPONSES AND
HOW HOW SOPHISTICATED THE STATE
IS BECOMING IN THAT WORKING WITH
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS BECAUSE WE'VE
HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH IT
LAST FEW YEARS. UNFORTUNATELY,
WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE
EXPERIENCE IN THE FUTURE. SO
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. I
THINK THAT IS OUR LAST ITEM. UM
I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES
FOR THEIR CONVERSATIONS AND HELP
OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, THE
CHAIRS LEAD THIS DISCRETION
DISCUSSIONS VERY CAPABLY AND
WELL, AND SHE'S UNFORTUNATE SHE
WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE FOR THIS
LAST HEARING, AND I ALSO WANT TO
THANK THE ADMINISTRATION, THE
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE ALLEGED
ANALYSTS DOWN ON OFFICE FOR ALL
THE INSIGHT AND RECOMMENDATIONS
AND ADVISING THIS COMMITTEE OR
WORK IS INVALUABLE. UM WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT
NOW AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE
HERE IN THE ROOM THAT WOULD LIKE
TO SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT. I
DON'T SEE ANYONE. NEXT. WE'LL
TURN TO THE PHONES ON THE PHONE
NUMBER TO CONNECT IS ON THE
COMMITTEE WEBSITE AND ON THE
SCREEN. IF YOU'RE STREAMING THIS
HEARING, THE NUMBER IS PUBLIC
TOLL FREE NUMBER 877692. AND
THEN DO I NEED TO GIVE THE
ACCESS CODE. THE ACCESS CODE IS
131. 5437. THAT'S 877692. IS THE
TOLL FREE NUMBER AND THE ACCESS
CODE IS 1315437. OPERATOR. ARE
YOU? DO YOU HAVE ANYONE ON THE
LINE OPERATOR? PLEASE, JIM, IF
YOU WISH TO MAKE A PUBLIC
COMMENT, PLEASE PRESS 10 WILL BE
GOING TO LINE 29. PLEASE GO
AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, DANICA
ROAD, ARMEL ON BEHALF OF THE
TRANSFORMATIVE IN PRISON FOR
GROUP GRIP TRAINING INSTITUTE
AND INITIATE JUSTICE. PROVIDING
COMMENT ON THE SAN QUENTIN
REHABILITATIVE REHABILITATION
CENTER PROPOSAL. PLEASED TO SEE
THAT MEMBERS OF OUR NETWORK OF
COMMUNITY BASED PROGRAMS
PROVIDING PROGRAMMING BOTH AT
SAN QUENTIN AND STATEWIDE OR ON
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO
CALLING FOR INCREASED SUPPORT
STATE FUNDING FOR THESE PROGRAMS
BEYOND SAN QUENTIN, AND I ALSO
WANTED TO READ A STATEMENT FROM
THE PEOPLE IN BLUE INCARCERATED
COMMITTEE WHO ARE CURRENTLY
INCARCERATED AT SAN QUENTIN S¼.
WE INCARCERATED RESIDENTS OF
QUENTIN KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF
THE PROPOSAL. THE PATH TO
SUCCESS IS ONLY POSSIBLE WHEN
ALL PERSPECTIVES ARE EXPLORED,
INCLUDING EQUAL REPRESENTATION
OF THE INCARCERATED VOICES.
NOTHING FOR US WITHOUT US,
PLEASE CONSIDER OUR VOICES SO WE
MAY PAY A LIVING AMENDS BY
GIVING BACK HEALING OUR
COMMUNITIES AND GROWING THROUGH
FAMILIES THAT ARE WOUNDS ARE NOT
TRANSFERRED TO FUTURE
GENERATIONS. THANK YOU. THAT'S
WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LINE. 30,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. GOOD
EVENING. THIS IS OLIVIA SIDEMEN
WITH LEADERSHIP COUNCIL FOR
JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY. WE
ARE HAPPY TO SEE THAT THERE WAS
125 MILLION PROPOSED IN THE MAY
REVISE FOR FLOOD PREPAREDNESS,
RESPONSE AND RECOVERY TO SUPPORT
IMPACTED COMMUNITIES AND
VULNERABLE POPULATION. OUR
ORGANIZATION PARTNERS DIRECTLY
WITH LOW INCOME RESIDENTS IN THE
DISADVANTAGE, UNINCORPORATED
COMMUNITY OF PLANETA IN MERCED
COUNTY, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE
FIRST COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE.
TO BE COMPLETELY EVACUATED AND
SEVERELY IMPACTED BY EXTREME
FLOODING IN JANUARY. 2023 THE
COMMUNITY IS STILL FACING THE
IMPACT OF THAT FLOODING. WE
RECOMMEND THAT THE BUDGET
DIRECTOR $20.3 MILLION OF THAT
SUPPOSED APPROPRIATION SUPPLY.
NADA FOR HOME REPAIRS, EMERGENCY
RENTAL ASSISTANCE, LOST VEHICLES
, HOME INSPECTIONS AND
INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRS THAT FEMA
DID NOT PROVIDE ONLY ONE IN FOUR
HOUSEHOLDS AND PLAN OUT OF
QUALIFIED FOR FEMA. END OF
HOUSEHOLDS THAT RECEIVE THAT AID
. THE AVERAGE ASSISTANCE
RECEIVED PER HOUSEHOLD WAS ONLY
AROUND ONE THIRD OF THE
ESTIMATED MEDIA NEED PER
HOUSEHOLD IN LIGHT OF THE
FUNDING GAP FOR A VULNERABLE
FARMWORKER COMMUNITY IN THE
CENTRAL VALLEY IMPACTED BY
FLOODING DISASTER WE RECOMMEND
THAT THE STATE ALLOCATED $20
MILLION TO THIS COMMUNITY TO
MEET THE NEEDS. WE CAN SUPPLY
THIS COMMITTEE WITH ANALYSIS
CONDUCTED BY UC MERCED. THAT
LAYS OUT THE BASIS FOR THE
IDENTIFIED FUNDING. THANK YOU.
NEXT. I'M GOING TO LINE 31,
PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. THIS IS
JENNIFER MALLEY WITH THE
AMERICAN FEDERATION OF STATE
COUNTY. MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES
WANTED TO JUST TOUCH ON A COUPLE
OF ITEMS. WE WOULD LIKE TO ECHO
THE CONCERNS RAISED BY THE
COMMITTEE ON THE CLASS AND LACK
OF TRANSPARENCY RELATED TO THE
SAN QUENTIN REHABILITATION
CENTER PROPOSAL. ASK ME MEMBERS
ARE THE FRONTLINE WORKERS THAT
CDCR PROVIDE THE MENTAL HEALTH
AND REHABILITATIVE SERVICES AND
WERE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE
IMAGINATION OF A TRUE CENTER OF
REHABILITATION. HOWEVER WE'VE
BEEN DISAPPOINTED WITH THE LACK
OF ENGAGEMENT WITH ASKING ME
WORKERS WHO CURRENTLY PROVIDE
THESE SERVICES AND PRISONS AND
STATE HUBS HOSPITAL THESE
WORKERS HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND
INSIGHT TO HELP STRUCTURE TRULY
TRANSFORMATIVE PROGRAM. UH NEXT
. JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE
SUPPORT FUNDING TO EXPAND THE
USE OF ELEMENTAL MENTAL HEALTH
WITHIN THE STATEWIDE MENTAL
HEALTH PROGRAM. WE'VE BEEN
WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION
ON ALLEVIATING THE CHRONIC
VACANCIES IN THE MENTAL HEALTH
PROGRAM AND BELIEVE THAT THIS
WILL HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR
THE WORKFORCE. AND LAST WEEK WE
ARE DISAPPOINTED IN THE NEARLY
$40 MILLION DEDICATED TO
CONTRACT MEDICAL SERVICES. STATE
CONTINUES TO RELY TO RELY ON
EXPENSIVE TEMPORARY CONTRACTORS
INSTEAD OF MAKING TRUE
INVESTMENTS INTO ITS CURRENT
WORKFORCE. WE BELIEVE THESE
FUNDS COULD BE BETTER AND MORE
FAIRLY DISTRIBUTED TO INCREASE
WAGES AND BENEFITS TO WORKERS
PERFORMING PERFORMING THE SAME
TASK. THANK YOU. AND THERE IS
CURRENTLY NO ONE ELSE IN THE
QUEUE, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR
THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. APPRECIATE
YOUR STAYING THROUGH THE WHOLE
HEARING AND ADDING THEIR
VALUABLE INSIGHT INTO THE ISSUES
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT
CONCLUDES OUR SUB FIVE HEARING.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.