GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I'D
LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS
HEARING OF THE ASSEMBLY
COMMITTEE ON UTILITIES AND
ENERGY. WE'RE HERE FOR AN
INFORMATIONAL HEARING TO DISCUSS
ELECTRIC DISTRIBUTION PLANNING.
BEFORE WE BEGIN AS, UH, TYPICAL
. WE HAVE SOME HOUSEKEEPING TO
GO OVER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK
THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER WOULD WHO
WILL EVENTUALLY BE HERE AND, UH
, JOINING US AS A GUEST HERE TO
THE COMMITTEE? MR WOOD
PARTICIPATED IN OUR PRIOR
HEARING AS WELL AND BE PREPARED
BECAUSE HE'S GOT A LONG LIST OF
QUESTIONS AGAIN. UM THERE WILL
BE NO PHONE TESTIMONY, SO PUBLIC
COMMENT WILL EITHER BE IN PERSON
OR SUBMITTED VIA THE EMAIL ON
OUR COMMITTEE WEBSITE.
ADDITIONALLY WE WILL MAINTAIN
DECORUM AS WE, UH, CUSTOM TO
WILL NOT PERMIT CONDUCT THAT
DISRUPTS OUR MEETING AND ANY
INDIVIDUAL HAS DISRUPTED WILL BE
REMOVED FROM THE ROOM. THE PAST
FEW YEARS, OUR COMMITTEE HAS
HEARD THE GROWING FRUSTRATION
THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WITH
UTILITIES, ABILITY TO
INTERCONNECT RESOURCES AND
ENERGIZED CUSTOMERS. BUT THE
CONCERNS REACHED AN ALL TIME
HIGH LAST WINTER. ESPECIALLY IN
PG AND E S TERRITORY, WITH SOME
CUSTOMERS BEING TOLD IT MAY TAKE
5 TO 7 YEARS TO RECEIVE SERVICE.
CONNECTING CUSTOMERS IS UTILITY
SERVICE 101. SO SUCH DELAYS ARE
VERY CONCERNING AS TO HOW THE
UTILITIES ARE MANAGING THEIR
SYSTEMS TODAY. MOREOVER SUCH
DELAYS RAISE SIGNIFICANT
CONCERNS WITH HOW READY THE
UTILITIES ARE TO MEET THE
STATE'S AMBITIOUS URBANIZATION
GOALS, WHICH GREATLY RELY ON
ELECTRIFICATION. THIS COMMITTEE
HAS EXAMINED INTERCONNECTION
ISSUES FROM THE TRANSMISSION
LEVEL AND HAS EVALUATED RESOURCE
NEEDS AND BUILD OUT TO MEET OUR
CLIMATE GOALS. BUT WE HAVE YET
TO FULLY EVALUATE THE IMPACTS OF
CUSTOMER LOAD GROWTH ON THE
DISRUPTION ON THE DISTRIBUTION
GRID. GIVEN THE GROWING
FRUSTRATION AROUND THESE ISSUES
, A NUMBER OF MY COLLEAGUES
INTRODUCED BILL THIS SESSION. TO
TRY TO GENERATE SOME CONSENSUS
AROUND SOLUTIONS AND ELEVATE
THESE ISSUES. THIS HEARING SEEKS
TO PROVIDE A FORUM TO EXAMINE
THESE ISSUES MORE FULLY AS MUCH
OF OUR CLIMATE WORK WILL BE
DEPENDENT. ON MODERNIZING OUR
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. AND, OF
COURSE, QUITE COSTLY. WITH THAT
. I'LL ASK MY COLLEAGUE TO MY
RIGHT TO MY LEFT IF SHE HAS ANY
OPENING REMARKS BEFORE WE ASKED
THE PANELISTS TO COME FORWARD TO
DICE. THANK YOU. ON THIS
INFORMATIONAL HEARING. EVERY
TIME WE HAVE THESE INFORMATIONAL
HEARINGS, I'M REMINDED OF HOW
INTERCONNECTED OUR CLEAN ENERGY,
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION AND
RELIABILITY RELIABILITY EFFORTS
ARE IF WE HAVE TO LAYS IN ONE
AREA, WE HAVE DELAYS IN THE
OTHER PARTS OF OUR EMISSION
REDUCTION EFFORTS. IN THE PAST,
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DEMAND
NEEDED TO MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS
JUST IN TERMS OF GENERATION,
WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. BUT
IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN
GENERATING THAT MUCH POWER, WE
CAN'T GET THAT ENERGY AND WE
CAN'T GET THAT ENERGY ON THE
GRID. AND THEN INTO PEOPLE'S
HOMES WERE NOT GOING TO SUCCEED
IN REDUCING EMISSIONS. ONE OF MY
BIGGEST CONCERNS REGARDING
DELAYS AND INTERCONNECTION AND
ENERGY IS THE ENERGY IZATION IS
HOW MUCH OF OUR DECARBONIZATION
STRATEGIES RELY ON THERE BEING
ENOUGH ELECTRICITY TO POWER OUR
VEHICLES OR BUILDINGS OR
EQUIPMENT, ETCETERA. WE'RE
ASKING LARGE PARTS OF OUR
ECONOMY TO ELECTRIFY. BUT IT'S
STILL IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THE
INTERCONNECTION AND ENERGY
IZATION TIMELINES FOR ALL THESE
ELECTRIFICATION EFFORTS WILL
LINE UP WITH OUR GOLD DATES. I
DON'T WANT US TO GO BACK TO
THAT. I DON'T WANT US TO BACK
AWAY FROM OUR TRANSPORTATION AND
CLIMATE EFFORTS, BUT I DON'T
WANT TO SET THE STATE UP FOR
FAILURE, EITHER. I'M CURIOUS TO
HEAR FROM OUR PANELISTS ON HOW
TO ADDRESS THE OVERALL BARRIERS
TO ELECTRIFICATION SO THAT WE
CAN HAVE A CLEAN GREEN ENERGY
SECTOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
REMEMBER, WE'LL ASK OUR
PANELISTS PLEASE COME FORWARD.
WE WILL BEGIN THE PRESENTATIONS
IN THE ORDER THAT THE AGENDA HAS
OUTLINED WILL RESERVE ARE
QUESTIONS TILL AFTER THE FINAL
PANELISTS IS CONCLUDING OUR
CONCLUDES THEIR REMARKS. WELCOME
AGAIN AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING
THE TIME TO BE BEING HERE WITH
US TODAY. YOU MAY BEGIN WHEN
YOU'RE READY.
THANK YOU CHAIR. MY NAME IS
DAVID EARN. I AM DEPUTY DIRECTOR
OF THE ENERGY ASSESSMENTS
DIVISION WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY COMMISSION. I'LL BE
TALKING TODAY ABOUT THE
CALIFORNIA AND ELECTRICITY
DEMAND FORECAST. AS WELL AS SOME
ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE
, UM WE WERE WORKING ON IN
COLLABORATION WITH CPUC THAT
ADDRESSED THE TOPIC THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT TODAY. WE CAN GO
TO THE FIRST SLIDE. LET ME PUT
SOME IN PERSPECTIVE KIND OF A
STARTING POINT FOR THE FOR THE
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING, WHICH IS
THE FORECAST. SISI CREATES THE
FORECAST ANNUALLY. THE FORECAST
LOOKS AT, UM, ATTACK HAS IN THE
PAST LOOKED AT A 10 YEAR PERIOD.
NOW WE'RE EXPANDING THAT TO A 15
YEAR PERIOD. STARTING THIS YEAR.
AND IT PROVIDES A FORECAST OF
LOAD ON AN HOURLY BASIS FOR THE
FOR EACH DAY OF ALL OF THOSE
YEARS. WE PROVIDE THAT BY
PLANNING AREA WHICH IS SHOWN IN
THE MAP HERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE,
UH, THE DIFFERENT PLANNING AREAS
WE PROVIDE THAT FORMS A SYSTEM
WIDE LOOK AS DEVELOPED IN
COLLABORATION WITH THE CPUC.
CALLOUS OH, AND STAKEHOLDER
INPUT, INCLUDING FROM THE
UTILITIES. IT IS USED BY EEC
CPUC. EXCUSE ME, CPUC CALAIS SO
AND THE UTILITIES FOR PLANNING
PURPOSES. FOR RESOURCE ADEQUACY
PLANNING RESOURCE PLANNING FOR
THE CPUC AND FOR TRANSMISSION
PLANNING BY CALLOUS SO AS WELL
AS OVERALL PLANNING BY THE
UTILITIES. SO IT BECOMES A
FOUNDATIONAL PART OF ALL OF OUR
RESOURCE AND INFRASTRUCTURE,
BOTH TRANSMISSION AND
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING IN THE
STATE. EACH YEAR. WE LOOK AT A
VARIETY OF FORECAST OPTIONS OF
DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. THE
SCENARIO IS LOOK AT DIFFERENT
LEVELS OF BUILDING
ELECTRIFICATION, TRANSPORTATION
, ELECTRIFICATION, ENERGY
EFFICIENCY. UM AND THEN WE ALSO
INCORPORATE ANDY CHANGES IN
POLICY THAT OCCUR EACH YEAR. SO
FOR EXAMPLE, IN LAST YEAR'S
DEMAND FORECAST, WE INCORPORATED
CARBS REGULATIONS RELATED TO, UM
. ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES AND
INCORPORATED THAT INTO OUR INTO
OUR PLANNING PROCESSES, SO WE
HAD A HIGH TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION, UM, INCREASE
THAT SHOWED UP LAST YEAR IN OUR
AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT GRAPH IN
JUST A SECOND. UM THE SCENARIOS
THAT WE DEVELOP. WE WORK
COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE EAST
WITH CPUC IN CALAIS. SO TO
ESTABLISH THE PLANNING SCENARIOS
THAT THEY'LL BE USING FOR THEIR
PLANNING PROCESSES. UM ON THE
DISTRIBUTION SIDE. WE PUT OUT
THE VARIETY OF SCENARIOS AND
THEN THE UTILITIES HAVE THE
ABILITY TO SELECT FROM THE
DIFFERENT SCENARIOS ON THE ONES
THAT THEY WANT TO USE FOR THEIR
PLANNING PROCESSES. THEY
COLLABORATE TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY
WHICH COMBINATION THEY WOULD
LIKE TO USE FOR THEIR PLANNING
PROCESSES. AND THEN THEY GO TO
THE CPUC TO GET APPROVAL TO USE
THAT COMBINATION OF SCENARIOS
FOR THEIR PLANNING PROCESSES.
THAT'S HOW THE OVERALL PROCESS
WORKS FOR THE DEMAND FORECAST.
NEXT SLIDE. THIS WILL GIVE YOU A
LITTLE MORE INSIGHT INTO THE
SCENARIOS. WE PRODUCED QUITE A
FEW SCENARIOS. AS YOU CAN SEE,
IN ADDITION TO THE BASELINE, WE
HAVE MULTIPLE ENERGY EFFICIENCY
SCENARIOS, BUILDING
ELECTRIFICATION AND
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
SCENARIOS. WE PUT OUT QUITE A
FEW OPTIONS. UM AND AS YOU CAN
SEE, UM, IN THE RIGHT HAND SIDE
. THIS GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF A
COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS
THAT HAPPENED IN OUR DEMAND
FORECAST LAST YEAR. SO IF YOU
LOOK AT THE, UM THE DASH LINES
THOSE WERE REFERRED TO AS THE
MID MAN AND THE AND THE MID LOW
SCENARIOS. LAST YEAR. WE CHANGE
THAT TITLE TO A PLANNING AND
LOCAL RELIABILITY. UM SCENARIO,
SO WE'VE GOT OUR TERMINOLOGY HAS
GOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN TERMS
OF THOSE PROCESSES AND THE
PLANNING SCENARIOS USED BY CPUC
AND CALAIS SO AND THE I USE
CHOSE THE LOCAL RELIABILITY LAST
YEAR FOR THEIR GRID NEEDS
ASSESSMENT PLANNING FOR 24 25.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE 2021 DEMAND FORECAST
AND THE 2022 DEMAND FORECAST.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON
THIS GRAPH. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT
THE DASH LINES, THOSE REPRESENT
THE PLANNING AND LOCAL
RELIABILITY, UM IN 2021, AND THE
SOLID LINES REPRESENT 2022. AND
I'M JUST WANTING TO POINT OUT
THE DIFFERENCE, PARTICULARLY IN
THAT UPPER GREEN LINE. WHICH IS
THE LOCAL RELIABILITY FORECAST,
WHICH TAKES INTO ACCOUNT BOTH
THAT AND THE BLUE LINE TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT CARBS. NEW REGULATIONS
RIGHT, SO IT'S GREATER
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION.
SO IT GIVES YOU AN ILLUSTRATION
OF HOW, UM POLICIES ARE
INCORPORATED IN THE DEMAND
FORECAST AND WHAT THOSE POLICIES
THEN MEAN TO THAT FORECAST
MOVING FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE A
TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DEMAND
EXPECTED FROM FROM THOSE
SCENARIOS. NEXT SLIDE. I WANT TO
GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE ON
INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ON
INTERCONNECTIONS TO GIVE YOU. UM
UH, REPRESENTATION OF THE
TRENDS. SO AGAIN, KIND OF HARD
TO SEE. BUT UP UNTIL 2021. THOSE
ARE ACTUALLY AGREE. IT'S
ACTUALLY A GREEN LINE, THEN
BEYOND 2021. IT'S A BLUE LINE,
AND THIS REPRESENTS INFORMATION
THAT WE HAVE ON INTERCONNECTIONS
THAT HAVE OCCURRED UP TO 2021
AND OUR PROJECTIONS BEYOND THAT
UP THROUGH 2030 2035. AND THAT'S
FOR PV ON THE LEFT ON THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, AND IT'S
FOR ENERGY STORAGE ON THE RIGHT
. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE QUITE A
BIT MORE INTERCONNECTIONS
OBVIOUSLY OF PV THAN WE HAVE OF
ENERGY STORAGE, BUT THEY'RE BOTH
GROWING AND THEY'RE EXPECTED TO
GROW SUBSTANTIALLY. UM WE
ESTIMATE APPROXIMATELY UP TO
2021 ABOUT 1.5 MILLION
INTERCONNECTIONS WERE WORKING.
GETTING THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT
STATEWIDE. UM BUT IT IS A LARGE
NUMBER AND IT'S GOING TO
CONTINUE TO GROW WITH ALL OF OUR
IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE, UM
TECHNOLOGIES. NEXT SLIDE GIVES
YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE
TRANSPORTATION, SO IT'S NOT
QUITE THE SAME. WE DON'T HAVE
INTERCONNECTION, BUT WE DO HAVE
EXPECTED PURCHASE AND OF
ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLES. AND THIS
REPRESENTS ON THE LEFT THE
NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE
EXPECTED TO BE PURCHASED AND BE
ON THE ROAD OPERATING IN ALL
CLASSES BETWEEN NOW AND 2035.
AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE ENERGY
DEMAND THAT WE'RE PROJECTING FOR
CHARGING THOSE VEHICLES AND YOU
CAN SEE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE
BETWEEN PRIOR TO THE CARBS, NEW
RULING AND AFTER CARBS, NEW
RULING IN TERMS OF WHAT WE
ANTICIPATE IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF
VEHICLES AND THE ENERGY THAT'S
GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO CHARGE
THEM. LET ME TRANSITION TO A
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TOPIC NOW
THAT I'VE COVERED OUR FORECAST,
AND THAT IS, UM OTHER
INITIATIVES THAT HAS GOING ON
COLLABORATION WITH CPUC TO
REALLY HELP WITH OUR
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. IN THE
FUTURE, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT
SLIDE. AND THAT'S THE LOAD
FLEXIBILITY ECOSYSTEM THAT WE
ARE DEVELOPING JOINTLY TO TRY TO
ENSURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO
CONTROL DEVICES REMOTELY AND BE
ABLE TO DO THAT SEAMLESSLY IN
COLLABORATION WITH CUSTOMERS AND
AGGREGATORS. SO IN THE UPPER
RIGHT HAND CORNER, YOU'LL SEE WE
HAVE CCS LOAD MANAGEMENT
STANDARDS AND CPUC S CALIFORNIA
FLEXIBLE UNITED SIGNAL FOR
ENERGY. CAL FUSE, UM, WHICH ARE
BOTH HELPING TO ESTABLISH, UM,
TIME VARYING RATES FOR
ELECTRICITY. AT THE UTILITIES.
TO ENABLE, UM HOURLY RATES AND
THEREFORE A MARKET SIGNAL THAT
CAN HELP BE UTILIZED IN
CONTROLLING DIFFERENT DEVICES.
SISI HAS ALSO DEVELOPED THE
MARKET INFORMED DEMAND
AUTOMATION SERVER MIDAS, WHICH
IS A DATABASE, WHICH WILL
CAPTURE ALL THOSE INFORMATION
FROM ALL THE UTILITIES, AND
PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION OUT TO
EITHER SMART APPLIANCES DIRECTLY
OR THROUGH SERVICE PROVIDERS
THROUGH AGGREGATORS WHO CAN THEN
TAKE THAT INFORMATION WORKING
WITH OUR CUSTOMERS AND BE ABLE
TO AGGREGATE THOSE RESOURCES
OVER TIME AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE
NET PEAK BENEFIT CUSTOMERS
SAVINGS, ETCETERA. AND HOPEFULLY
IN COLLABORATION WITH CUSTOMERS
THAT WILL BE YOU KNOW, SEAMLESS
TO THEM, BUT THEY WILL PROVIDE
THE WILL PROVIDE THE BENEFITS TO
THEM AND THE FINANCIAL REWARDS.
NEXT LINE. ALTHOUGH WE'VE TALKED
ABOUT THIS TO THE ASSEMBLY
BEFORE, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE
WE HAVE PUT IN FOR THE CLEAN
ENERGY RELIABILITY INVESTMENT
PLAN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF
FUNDING FOR THAT $1 BILLION TO
GO TO DEMAND SIDE RESOURCES.
SUPPLYING SCALING DEMAND SIDE
RESOURCES IS SOMETHING WE
CONSIDER TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.
UM AND THAT'S ALMOST HALF OF THE
$1 BILLION THAT WAS IDENTIFIED
FOR THE CLEAN ENERGY RELIABILITY
INVESTMENT PLAN, AND THOSE FUNDS
ARE REALLY INTENDED TO EXPAND
DEMAND SIDE SOLUTIONS. INCLUDING
PROVIDING GREATER OPPORTUNITIES
FOR LOAD FLEXIBILITY, PROVIDING
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES WHO
MIGHT NEED HELP WITH THINGS LIKE
, UM, PANEL UPGRADES OR POSSIBLY
FOR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM UPGRADES
THAT ARE NECESSARY IN
ASSOCIATION WITH SUPPORTING
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BEING
SUPPORTED BY CPUC PROGRAMS TO
HELP IN THOSE DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT
DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCES IN
A MORE AFFORDABLE WAY, AND SO WE
HAVE IDENTIFIED FUNDING IN THERE
FOR PROGRAMS SUCH AS THAT WE HAD
SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT FROM
STAKEHOLDERS FOR THOSE DEMAND
SIDE RESOURCES, AND SO WE FEEL
LIKE THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
PROGRAM TO CONTINUE PURSUING. I
WON'T GO INTO THE FINAL SIDE,
WHICH IS THE WHICH IS JUST THE
DOLLAR VALUES. BUT I DO WANT TO
SAY ONE OTHER THING THAT CSC IS
WORKING ON THIS YEAR AS PART OF
THE INTEGRATED ENERGY POLICY
REPORT WE ARE INCORPORATING OR
COVERING INTERCONNECTION, BOTH
OF THE TRANSMISSION AND THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND WILL BE
PROVIDING OUR I REPORT THIS
YEAR, WHICH WILL GO THROUGH THE
OVERVIEW OF INTERCONNECTION
CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES AND
LAY THAT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC. SO
THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS.
SWEATING FOR MY SLIDES. THERE
THEY ARE. OKAY GOOD AFTERNOON
CHAIR GARCIA AND HONORABLE
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS LU█N TESTIFY AND I SERVE
AS THE DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
FOR ENERGY AND CLIMATE POLICY AT
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU
TODAY IN THIS HEARING ON
ELECTRIC DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM
PLANNING NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO
I WANTED TO START MY
PRESENTATION BY BRIEFLY GIVING
AN OVERVIEW OF DIFFERENT TYPES
OF CONNECTIONS TO THE ELECTRIC
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. THE SLIDES
ILLUSTRATE THE DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN DISTRIBUTION, THE
DISTRIBUTION INTERCONNECTION
PROCESS AND THE ENERGY IZATION
PROCESS. IN GREEN AT THE TOP OF
THE SLIDE. YOU'LL SEE
INTERCONNECTION. THIS WORK IS
GOVERNED PRINCIPALLY BY TWO
DIFFERENT TARIFFS FOR THOSE NOT
FAMILIAR WITH TARIFFS. THEY ARE
LIKE THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT
BETWEEN THE UTILITY AND OTHER
ENTITIES LIKE THEIR CUSTOMERS.
SO FIRST WE HAVE RULE 21, WHICH
IS A CPUC JURISDICTIONAL TARIFF
AND INCLUDES PROJECTS LIKE
BEHIND THE METER GENERATION,
LIKE ROOFTOP, SOLAR OR STORAGE,
AND MOST RECENTLY, EVEN RULES
RELATED TO VIA CULTURE, GRID
INTEGRATION AND RULE. 21 IS A
LONG ESTABLISHED TARIFF BUT HAS
SEEN MUCH DEVELOPMENT OVER THE
COURSE OF SEVERAL YEARS AND A
ROBUST STAKEHOLDER PROCESS WHICH
ESTABLISHED RULES FOR
TRANSPARENCY. AND SAFETY. THE
OTHER TARIFF IN GREEN. IS THE
WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTION ACCESS
TARIFF OR W DOT FOR DISTRIBUTION
INTERCONNECTIONS, WHICH IS A
FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY
COMMISSION TARIFF. THIS TARIFF
GOVERNS WHOLESALE IN FRONT OF
THE MEDIA PROJECTS THAT CONNECT
TO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. NOW
SHIFTING TO THE BOTTOM OF THE
SLIDE IN BLUE. WE HAVE A
DIFFERENT ASPECT OF DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM PLANNING, WHICH IS ENERGY
IZATION OR SERVICE CONNECTION.
THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS ARE
CALLED CUSTOMER LOADS LIKE NEW
HOUSING OR NEW BUSINESS. THEY
CAN EVEN INCLUDE NEW CUSTOMER
LOADS LIKE ELECTRIC VEHICLE
CHARGING. THOUGH THERE ARE
TARIFFS FOR THESE PROCESSES,
EACH CUSTOMER COMES TO THE
UTILITY WITH A UNIQUE SET OF
CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THE UTILITY TO
ADDRESS BECAUSE DEVELOPERS AND
BUSINESSES DEVELOP UNIQUE
PROJECTS AT UNIQUE LOCATIONS.
BUT I ALSO HAVE THE DIFFERENT
TARIFF RULES LISTED ON THE
SLIDE. THE CPUC IS ADDRESSING
ENERGY IZATION TIMELINES THROUGH
A COMBINATION OF SHORT, MEDIUM
AND LONG TERM STRATEGIES TO
IMPROVE DISTRIBUTION PLANNING
PROCESSES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO LOOKING AT THE SHORT TERM,
AND SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD
ME MENTION THESE AND OTHER
HEARINGS, BUT I APPRECIATE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO MORE
DETAIL, GIVEN THE SUBJECT OF THE
HEARING. SO IN THE SHORT TERM,
SO FIRST, THE CPUC HAS PULLED
TOGETHER A STAFF TASK FORCE TO
RESPOND TO REQUESTS FROM
COMMUNITIES AND CUSTOMERS ON
CHALLENGES TO INVEST AROUND
UTILITY ENERGY IZATION. WE CALL
THIS A SPECIAL TASK FORCE
BECAUSE THIS IS TRADITIONALLY
THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES. THE
CPUC SETS THE REGULATIONS AND
THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES
MANAGE THE BUSINESS TO MEET
THESE REGULATIONS. GIVEN THE
EMERGING CONCERNS RAISED BY THE
LEGISLATURE AND COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, WE HAVE PULLED TOGETHER
KEY STAFF WHO HAVE BEEN
TROUBLESHOOTING ISSUES WITH
CUSTOMERS INDIVIDUALLY AND
LIAISING WITH THE UTILITIES TO
FIND SHORT TERM FIXES AND GET
PROJECTS ENERGIZED. THIS HAS
INCLUDED SECOND LOOKS AT THE
LOAD NEEDS OF A CUSTOMER, WHICH
SOMETIMES CAN BE ADJUSTED. OR
IDENTIFYING SMALLER ENGINEERING
FIXES TO ENERGIZE A PROJECT MORE
QUICKLY. THROUGH THIS TEAM. WE
HAVE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO. WE'VE
ALSO BEEN TRYING TO PRIORITIZE
ENERGIZING HOUSING AND PUBLIC
SAFETY PROJECTS AND HAVE
RECEIVED VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK
FOR OUR WORK. SECOND ON THE
SLIDE IS NEW ELECTRIC VEHICLE
ENERGY IZATION RULES. THE CPSC
LAST YEAR ADOPTED AN INTERIM 125
DAY. BUSINESS SERVICE ENERGY
IZATION ON AVERAGE FOR PROJECTS
TAKING SERVICE UNDER RULE, 29
AND 45, WHICH I HAD LISTED ON
THE OTHER SLIDE AS, UM, ON THE
OTHER SLIDE. UNDER ENERGY
IZATION. THE TIMELINE IS AN
AVERAGE MEANING SOME PROJECTS
MAY TAKE LONGER. SOME MAY TAKE
LESS THAN 325 DAYS TO ENERGIZE.
THIS AVERAGE EXCLUDES PROJECTS
ABOVE TWO MEGAWATTS. EXCLUDES
PROJECTS UNDER RULE, 16 AND 15,
WHICH MAY REQUIRE A WHOLE NEW
DISTRIBUTION LINE OR WHOLE NEW
SERVICE CONNECTION AND THOSE
THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A WHOLE NEW
SUBSTATION UPGRADE. DUE TO THE
COMPLEXITY IN EARLY 2024 BASED
ON THAT ONE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION
DATA. THE CPUC WILL ASSESS THIS
PILOT. AND ASSESS THE PROGRESS
TOWARDS IMPLEMENTATION AND
ASSESS ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES AS
WELL. AND THEN THIRD ON THIS
SLIDE ARE THE LOAD INTEGRATION
CAPACITY MAPS. THESE ARE
PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. THIS IS A
PUBLICLY AVAILABLE MAPPING TOOL
THAT IDENTIFIES AREAS ON THE
UTILITY GRID THAT CAN OR CANNOT
ACCOMMODATE LOAD GROWTH AT A
GIVEN TIME. THE MAPS ARE
CURRENTLY ALSO BEING UPDATED. WE
DO RECOGNIZE THAT SOME ENTITIES
DO NOT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO
MOVE THEIR PROJECTS. BUT THESE
MAPS ARE IMPORTANT SO THAT
PROJECT DEVELOPERS UNDERSTAND
THE REALITIES OF THE GRID AS
THEY MAKE SITE ACQUISITION
DECISIONS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, BIG
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS TAKE
SEVERAL YEARS OF PLANNING AN
ELECTRIC GRID. SEVERAL YEARS OF
PLANNING AND ELECTRIC GRID
CAPACITY IS A FACTOR IN THAT
PLANNING, LIKE MANY OTHERS THAT
MUST BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION
. WE ARE CREATING GREATER
TRANSPARENCY WITH THESE TOOLS TO
ALLOW FOR THAT. NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE. SO THIS SLIDE IS GOING
INTO THE MEDIUM TERM, WHICH ARE
THE GENERAL RATE CASES. AS MANY
OF YOU KNOW THE GENERAL RATE
CASES. IS THE GENERAL RATE CASES
. THE REGULATORY PROCEEDING USED
TO ADDRESS THE COST OF OPERATING
AND MAINTAINING THE UTILITY
SYSTEM AND THE ALLOCATION OF
THOSE COSTS AMONG THE CUSTOMER
CLASSES. THE PROCEEDINGS
PROPOSED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
PROPOSED INVESTMENTS IN THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. UTILITIES
FILE GRCS AT A STAGGERED TERM OF
EVERY FOUR YEARS, AND THIS SLIDE
ILLUSTRATES WHERE THE PG AND E
RATE CASES WHERE THE SDG ANY
RAPE CASES AND THE SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA EDISON RAPE CASES.
THE GRCS RELY ON THE C. E. C S
HYPER DEMAND FORECAST FOR
PROJECTING LOAD GROWTH WITHIN
THEIR SERVICE HERE SERVICE
TERRITORY. UM, JUST AS YOU JUST
HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUE AT THE
CDC. TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION AND BUILDING
ELECTRIFICATION HAD NOT
HISTORICALLY BEEN A LARGE PART
OF HYPER FORECAST, BUT DUE TO
ALL, ALL OF THE CHANGES IN
POLICY DIRECTION, UH, THE C E C
HAS BEEN INCORPORATING THAT DATA
INTO THEIR DEMAND FORECAST IN
ORDER TO HELP SUPPORT THE I O
USED IN THEIR INVESTMENT
PLANNING. ANOTHER KEY REASON
THAT THE GRC IS PART OF OUR
MEDIUM TERM SOLUTION, FOR
EXAMPLE, FOR P GENIE IS THAT WE
ARE EXPECTING THEIR GENERAL RAPE
CASE TO BE CONCLUDING THIS
SUMMER, AND SO THEY WILL BE
GETTING THEIR NEW ALLOCATIONS
FOR THEIR BUDGETS AT THAT TIME.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT THE SHORT TERM AND
THE MEDIUM TERM NOW WE'RE
SHIFTING TO THE LONG TERM. THIS
SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS ARE LONG TERM
STRATEGIES TO IMPROVE UTILITY
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING, WHICH
WILL INCLUDE INTERCONNECTION AND
ENERGY IZATION AS WELL AS PART
OF AN OPEN CPUC PROCEEDING
CALLED THE HIGH D ER OR
DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCES
PROCEEDING. SOME OF THE
OBJECTIVES OF THE PROCEEDING
INCLUDE IMPROVING ELECTRIC
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING, INCLUDING
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE FORECASTING TO
SUPPORT COST EFFECTIVE AND
WIDESPREAD ELECTRIFICATION OF
THE TRANSPORTATION AND BUILDING
SECTOR. THE PROCEEDINGS. WHAT IS
ALSO TARGETING TO OPTIMIZE
ELECTRIC SYSTEM INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENTS BY FACILITATING
COMMUNITY INPUT ABOUT PLANNED
DEVELOPMENTS. D ER, CITING PLANS
AND RESILIENCY NEEDS. THE MAIN
POINT OF THE SLIDE IS TO
HIGHLIGHT THE CURRENT
STAKEHOLDER PROCESS THAT WILL
LEAD TO A PROPOSED DECISION.
THAT MAKES DISTRIBUTION,
PLANNING SIGNIFICANT
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING
IMPROVEMENTS. THIS WORK IS BEING
DONE PURSUANT TO THIS FIRST
TRACK OF THIS PROCEEDING. SOME
OF THE STEPS IN THE PROCEEDING
INCLUDE THAT THE CPUC HAS ISSUED
A RULING THAT DIRECTED THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES TO FILE
AN OVERVIEW OF THEIR CURRENT
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING PROCESSES
TO GIVE ALL STAKEHOLDERS A
THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF THE
CURRENT PROCESS. FOLLOWING THAT
RULING, THE CPUC POST SEVERAL
QUESTIONS TO ALL OF THE
STAKEHOLDERS IN THE PROCEEDING
REGARDING THEIR THOUGHTS ON
POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT
SHOULD BE MADE TO DISTRIBUTION
PLANNING. THIS IS GOING TO ALLOW
US TO CREATE A STAFF PROPOSAL ON
NEW RULES FOR OF ENGAGEMENT
BETWEEN THE UTILITIES AND LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS, TRIBES PLANNING
ENTITIES, FOR EXAMPLE, TO BETTER
INFORM THEIR DISTRIBUTION
PLANNING PROCESS AND ADDRESS ALL
OF THESE CONCERNS OF THE
SPEAKERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
HEARING FROM TODAY. AS WELL AS
ENHANCING HOW THE I O U. S USE
DATA TO INFORM DISTRIBUTION
PLANNING. OF COURSE, THAT STAFF
PROPOSAL WILL GO OUT TO
STAKEHOLDERS FOR THEIR FINAL
INPUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE
INCORPORATED THEIR FEEDBACK
ACCURATELY ENSURING A ROBUST
PROCESS AND REAL CHANGE. NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS MY LAST
SLIDE AND HIGHLIGHTS A PART OF
THE ENERGY IZATION AND
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING PROCESS OF
HIGH CONCERN. TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION ON MONDAY OF
THIS WEEK, THE CPUC PUBLICLY
LAUNCHED A NEW INTERAGENCY
INITIATIVE ON FREIGHT
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING. WE'VE
BEEN WORKING HARD THIS YEAR TO
GET THIS PROCESS OFF THE GROUND,
GIVEN ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT
WE'VE BEEN HEARING AND WE HAVE
RECEIVED VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK
FROM MONDAY'S WEBINAR. THE FOR
THE FREIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE
PLANNING FRAMEWORK, OR IF I P IS
A STATE INTERAGENCY INITIATIVE,
WHICH INCLUDES THE CALIFORNIA
AIR RESOURCES BOARD, THE
CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT SYSTEM
OPERATOR, THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY
COMMISSION AND THE CALIFORNIA
TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION TO
PLAN FOR MEDIUM AND LONG LEAD
TIME, MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY
ELECTRICAL VEHICLE LOADS.
SPECIFICALLY FOR UTILITY SIDE
SIDE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH
INCLUDES AT THE DISTRIBUTION
LEVEL SUBSTATION AND EVEN
TRANSMISSION LEVEL. WE'RE
FOCUSING ON MEDIUM AND HEAVY
DUTY FREIGHT IN THE
IMPLEMENTATION ASSESSMENT DUE TO
THE SIGNIFICANT LOCALIZED
IMPACTS ON ELECTRIC
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE
SIGNIFICANT AIR POLLUTION BURDEN
IMPACTING DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES AND TO ENSURE THE
SUCCESS OF THE CARB REGULATIONS.
CPC IS COORDINATING WITH
STAKEHOLDERS TO IDENTIFY OTHER
VEHICLE CLASSES AND TYPES THAT
ARE DEPENDENT ON LONG LEAD TIME
INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. SO WE'LL
ALSO BE LEVERAGING A PROCESS
LIKE THIS FOR LIGHT DUTY, FAST
CHARGING FUEL CELL ELECTRIC
VEHICLES, ETCETERA. FINAL SLIDE.
SO. THE UH THIS IS JUST TO
CONCLUDE I DON'T NEED THIS
SLIDE, ACTUALLY, SO I'LL JUST
CONCLUDE THERE AND TURN IT OVER
TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. I'M SAT HERE IN
AGRA PACIFIC GAS AND ELECTRIC
COMPANY DIRECTOR OF ASSET
PLANNING ON BEHALF OF PG AND E.
WE APPRECIATE THE INVITATION TO
PROVIDE THE IOU PERSPECTIVE. ON
THE VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC THE
COMMITTEE IS COVERING TODAY.
ALSO WITH ME TODAY TO HELP WITH
ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AS MATT
VITORIA, PG NHIÀU, SENIOR
DIRECTOR OF SERVICE PLANNING AND
DESIGN. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY
ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE WORK
TO DO TO MEET CURRENT AND FUTURE
CUSTOMER NEEDS FOR NEW SERVICE
CONNECTIONS AND ELECTRIC SYSTEM
CAPACITY UPGRADES. WE UNDERSTAND
THE REAL WORLD IMPACTS, DELAYS
OR UNCERTAINTY ABOUT OUR ABILITY
TO CONNECT CAN HAVE ON OUR
CUSTOMERS. I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL
UTILITIES. WHEN I SAY WE STRIVE
TO SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS AND
POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS SAFELY. AND
AS FAST AS WE CAN. NH█P JEANNIE
. WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN FIXING
THESE ISSUES AND CUSTOMERS
ALREADY ARE EXPERIENCING
IMPROVEMENT. TO RESPOND TO
GROWING DEMAND. WE'VE NEARLY
DOUBLED OUR INVESTMENT IN NEW
SERVICE CONNECTIONS IN THE LAST
FIVE YEARS AND HAVE SPENT MORE
IN THIS AREA THAN OUR RATE CASE
FUNDED. WE'RE MEETING WITH
CUSTOMERS CONSTRUCTION TRADE
STAKEHOLDERS, LAWMAKERS AND
REGULATORS TO HEAR THEIR
CONCERNS AND WORK TOGETHER ON
SOLUTIONS TO ACCELERATE NEW
SERVICE CONNECTIONS. LATE IN
2022. WE LAUNCHED TWO COMMITTEES
IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CALIFORNIA
BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION,
INCLUDING A TECHNICAL ADVISORY
COMMITTEE. COMPRISED OF BUILDERS
, CONTRACTORS AND OTHER LEADERS
AND THE DEVELOPMENT SPACE TO
JOINTLY WORK ON SOLUTIONS AND
HELP US PRIORITIZE AREAS OF
IMPROVEMENT. WE'RE LEVERAGING
NEW, LEAN, OPERATING AND WASTE
ELIMINATION SYSTEMS TO DRIVE
BETTER, QUICKER OUTCOMES FOR
CUSTOMERS, INCLUDING DEDICATING
A FULL TIME TEAM TO CREATING A
MORE STREAMLINED PROCESS.
REDUCING OUR ESTIMATING TIME FOR
PROJECTS AND FINDING NEW
EFFICIENCIES TO REDUCE TIME FROM
CUSTOMER APPLICATION TO
CONNECTION BY ALMOST HALF BY THE
END OF THIS YEAR ALONE. WE ARE
COMMITTED TO MEETING YOUR
CUSTOMERS' GROWING ENERGY
DEMAND. ANYWHERE EQUALLY
COMMITTED TO SUPPORTING THE
STATE'S BOLD, AFFORDABLE HOUSING
, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND
DECARBONIZATION GOALS. AND WE
KNOW. THAT WE PLAY A CRITICAL
ROLE IN ACHIEVING THESE GOALS.
IN RECENT YEARS AT THE DIRECTION
OF THE LEGISLATOR. AND CPUC. WE
HAVE BEEN LASER FOCUSED ON
ENSURING OUR ENERGY SYSTEM IS
SAFE AND CLIMATE RESILIENT.
CLIMATE CHANGE HAS ALTERED THE
PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH WE
OPERATE OUR SYSTEM. WE'VE BEEN
INVESTED UNPARALLELED RESOURCES
TOWARD WILDFIRE PREVENTION AND
SAFETY, WHICH WE ALL AGREE IS
THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR OUR
COMMUNITIES. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT
TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRESIDENT
DID WILDFIRE AND SAFETY WORK AND
INVESTMENT HAS COME AT A TIME
WHEN WE'RE EXPERIENCING
EXPERIENCING LOAD GROWTH FOR THE
FIRST TIME IN DECADES. LOAD
GROWTH BEGAN IN 2018, DRIVEN BY
STATE LEGALIZATION OF CANNABIS
AND INCREASE IN WATER PUMPING
FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES DUE TO
PERSISTENT DRUG CONDITIONS. GREW
LARGER IN 2022 WITH THE IMPACT
OF THE COVID PANDEMIC IN DATA
CENTER EXPANSION AND INTERNET
SHIPPING CENTER GROWTH. AND HAS
CONTINUED TO INCREASE AS A
RESULT OF INCOME, ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT AND BOLD STATE
POLICIES ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
IN DECARBONIZATION. IN ADDITION
TO THE NEARLY 1 BILLION ANNUALLY
ON CONNECTING NEW CUSTOMERS TO
THE GRID, PG AND E HAS INVESTED
NEARLY 1 BILLION IN UPGRADING OR
ELECTRIC CAPACITY BETWEEN 2015
AND 2021. IN FACT, WE'RE
SPENDING MORE ON CAPACITY THAN
EVER BEFORE. INCLUDING PLANNED
INVESTMENTS OF 15 BILLION IN
CAPACITY AND ASSET HEALTH OVER
THE NEXT DECADE AND BEYOND. P G
NETWORK, CREATING AND ADOPTING A
NEW INTEGRATED GRID PLANNING
APPROACH TO MEET THE
MULTIDIMENSIONAL NEEDS OF
CUSTOMERS AND COMMUNITIES. GIVEN
$1 OF SPIN MUST GO TO MANY
PURPOSES. AND ITS BOARD THE
STATE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE
CARBON IZATION GOALS. THIS
STABLE MULTI YEAR PLAN WILL GIVE
OUR TEAMS AND COMMUNITY
VISIBILITY INTO WHAT WORK WILL
DO WHEN WHICH WILL ENABLE MORE
ADVANCED RESOURCE PLANNING. HELP
CUSTOMERS UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY
CAN EXPECT NEW CONNECTIONS AND
UPGRADES IN THEIR AREAS. AND
SUPPORT RAPID ELECTRIFICATION
GROWTH. WE'RE EXPLORING NEW AND
INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS TO MEET OUR
CUSTOMERS' DEMAND, AND WE'RE
SEEKING CREATIVE AND ALTERNATIVE
WAYS TO FUND THESE INVESTMENTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY,
WE PARTNERED WITH SHELTER COVE
RESORT IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ONE,
WHICH APPLIED FOR A DEPARTMENT
OF ENERGY GRID, RESILIENCE AND
INNOVATION PARTNERSHIP GRANT FOR
THE SHELTER COVE MICRO GRID
PROJECT. THIS COMMUNITY IN A
REMOTE AREA OF NORTH COAST.
FACES GREAT CHALLENGES,
INCLUDING EARTHQUAKES AND SEVERE
WINTER STORMS. TOGETHER WE'RE
CREATING AN INNOVATIVE MICRO
GOOD PROJECT TO REDUCE THE
EFFECTS OF SEISMIC AND CLIMATE
DRIVEN EVENTS. THE MICRO GRID
WILL BE BASED ON THE HIGHLY
SUCCESSFUL REDWOOD COAST AIRPORT
MICRO GRID. THE PROJECT WILL
INCREASE SAFETY AND RESILIENCY
ENABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH THROUGH
INCREASED RELIABILITY. MEET
CURRENT AND FUTURE ENERGY DEMAND
AT A LOWER COST TO CUSTOMERS.
WILL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE
ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO FUND MORE
WORK LIKE THE D O E GRANT
PROGRAM. IN CLOSING. MANY HAVE
ASKED US WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO
MAKE THIS WORK GO FASTER TO MEET
GROWING CUSTOMER DEMAND AND
SPORTS STATE POLICY GOALS. WE
NEED THE SUPPORT OF THIS BODY
AND OUR REGULATOR TO BE ABLE TO
ADD AND CONTINUE MAKING
IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ELECTRIC
GRID TO MEET CUSTOMER DEMAND AND
STATE POLICY GOALS. OUR CPUC
REGULATORS CAN SUPPORT THE NEED
FOR ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT
THROUGH TIMELY RICKY'S
DECISIONS. THAT FOUND THE LEVEL
. NEED. WE ARE SEEING TODAY AND
ALLOW PREDICTABLE COST RECOVERY
AND STABLE COST OF CAPITAL. THE
STATES GENERAL RAY CASE PROCESS
IS DESIGNED TO BE SLOW AND STUDY
LONG TERM PLANNING PROCESS
REQUIRES UTILITIES TO FORECAST
LOAD INVESTMENT NEEDS URINE IN
YEARS AND INVENT HOWEVER, WE ARE
NOW FACING EMERGING NEEDS FROM
CUSTOMERS AND NEW, AMBITIOUS
STATE GOAL POLICY GOALS WILL
CONTINUE TO MAKE NEEDED SAFETY
INVESTMENTS. CUSTOMER DEMAND IS
NOT ALWAYS KNOWN THAT PART IN
ADVANCE AND EVOLVING STATE
POLICIES AFFECT LOAD GROWTH. THE
CURRENT COST RECOVERY MODEL
ISN'T KEEPING UP WITH THESE
CHANGES. WE NEED TO WORK QUICKLY
TO UPDATE OR UTILITY FUNDING
MECHANISMS TO ADDRESS THESE
EMERGING NEEDS AND LOOK FORWARD
TO WORKING WITH LAWMAKERS AND
REGULATORS TO ENSURE THE STATE
HAS THE MOST EFFECTIVE POLICIES
TO MEET OUR CUSTOMERS' ENERGY
NEEDS AND TO SUPPORT THE STATE'S
HOUSING, ECONOMIC AND CLAUDIA.
POLICY GOALS. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. DEAR GARCIA, VICE
CHAIR PATERSON AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. I AM DAN BEANS, THE
ELECTRIC UTILITY DIRECTOR FOR
ROOSEVELT ELECTRIC UTILITY,
ROOSEVELT IS A GROWING COMMUNITY
OF OVER 150,000 RESIDENTS WITH
APPROXIMATELY 67,000 RESIDENTIAL
AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. WE ARE
LOCATED IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA,
ABOUT 20 MILES NORTHEAST OF
SACRAMENTO. GIVEN OUR CLOSE
PROXIMITY TO SACRAMENTO, I
WELCOME VISITORS TO COME TO
ROOSEVELT AND SEE THE IMPACTS
THAT ARE UTILITY HAS IN OUR
COMMUNITY. I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF
CMU, A CALIFORNIA MUNICIPAL
UTILITIES ASSOCIATION, WHICH AND
IN ADDITION TO OVER 50 PUBLIC
WATER AGENCIES WE REPRESENT OVER
40 PUBLIC POWER UTILITIES THAT
PROVIDE SAFE, RELIABLE
ELECTRICITY TO OVER 25% OF THE
STATE. WELL I'M SPEAKING ON
BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC OWNED
UTILITIES, THE PR YOU
PERSPECTIVE. EACH POU REPRESENTS
COMMUNITIES OF DIFFERENT SIZES,
ECONOMIC AND GEOGRAPHIC PROFILES
AND PRIORITIES. NH POU TAYLOR'S
PLANNING TO REFLECT THEIR
SPECIFIC COMMUNITY
CHARACTERISTICS AND NEEDS
IMPORTANTLY, THOUGH WE'RE ALL
COMMUNITY OWNED. TO START. I
THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE A QUICK
OVERVIEW OF HOW ROOSEVELT LOOKS
AT DISTRIBUTION PLANNING.
IMPROVEMENTS AND EXPANSIONS ON
OUR SYSTEM. OVERALL THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IN ROOSEVELT
IS EITHER ALREADY CONSTRUCTED OR
DETAILED DESIGNS HAVE BEEN
PREPARED FOR UNDEVELOPED
PORTIONS OF OUR CITY BASED ON
ZONING IN LARGE LOT MAPS. WE
PREPARE A MULTI YEAR FORECAST OF
ELECTRICITY NEEDS FOR EACH
DISTRIBUTION CIRCUIT AND MODEL
THAT NEED IN OUR DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM MODELING SOFTWARE. THE
FORECAST IS PREPARED IN
CONSULTATION WITH THE
DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO
DETERMINE EXPECTED TIMELINES FOR
CONSTRUCTION OF NEW RESIDENTIAL
AND COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.
PROJECTED ENERGY NEEDS ARE
ESTIMATED FOR NEW HOMES AND
COMMERCIAL PROJECTS BASED ON
EXPECTED SERVICE SIZES, FIELD
DATA AND EXPERIENCE. RESIDENTIAL
ELECTRIC VEHICLE ADOPTION HAS
BEEN INCLUDED IN OUR FORECAST AS
WELL. WE ALSO PERFORM
CONTINGENCY ANALYSIS, WHICH IS
THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE
ALL CUSTOMERS AFTER THE FAILURE
OF EQUIPMENT TO DETERMINE IF ANY
UPGRADES ARE REQUIRED. THIS
ANALYSIS HELPS US DETERMINE
STRESS ON OUR ELECTRIC SYSTEM.
THIS PROCESS INCORPORATES ALL
KNOWN PROJECTS. AND FUTURE
DEVELOPMENT. WE PREPARE OUR OWN
FORECAST FOR USE IN THE DESIGN
OF THE DEFICIENT SYSTEM, WHICH
IS BASED ON HISTORICAL DATA
DISCUSSIONS WITH DEVELOPERS
PROJECTED NEW CONSTRUCTION AND
EVIE ADOPTION DATA FROM A RECENT
TV STUDY WE COMMISSIONED
ROSEVILLE IS NOT RELIANT ON
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES TO MAKE
UPGRADES TO SUPPORT OUR
UPGRADES. ROOSEVELT ISLAND, ITS
OWN DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND
INTERCONNECTS WITH THE WESTERN
AREA POWER ADMINISTRATION, WHILE
AT THE BULK TRANSMISSION LEVEL
IN ROOSEVELT. WE ARE IN THE
BALANCING AREA OF NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA OR BANK. WE
PARTICIPATE IN THE WESTERN
ENERGY AND BALANCE MARKET AND
THEY'RE NOT LOCATED IN THE CHI.
SO THESE ARE IMPORTANT
DISTINCTIONS AND HOW WE OPERATE
THAT MAY DIFFER FROM OTHER POWS.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
ROOSEVELT IS A GROWING COMMUNITY
AND GROWTH IS A CONSIDERATION
THAT WE HAVE HAD TO FACTOR INTO
OUR PLANNING AND NEW WAYS. MORE
RECENTLY, ROOSEVELT HAD TO
MODIFY HOW WE INTERACT WITH OUR
BUILDING COMMUNITY RELATED TO
PLANNING FOR AND PURCHASING
EQUIPMENT. WELL ELECTRIC
UTILITIES HAVE BROADLY BEEN
EXPERIENCING SUPPLY CHAIN DELAYS
ACROSS ALL MAJOR ELECTRIC SYSTEM
EQUIPMENT. DISTRIBUTION
TRANSFORMERS SEEM TO BE HAVING
THE LONGEST LEAD TIMES AND OUR
PRIORITY FOR US IN TERMS OF
SUPPORTING NEW DEVELOPMENT.
PRIOR TO COVID 19 THAT LEAD
TIMES ON DISTRIBUTION
TRANSFORMERS WERE 10 TO 12 WEEKS
NOW THEY'RE AN ESTIMATED 72
WEEKS. THESE LONG LEAD TIMES ON
THE EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO DO
OUR BUSINESS HAS PUT AN ENORMOUS
BURDEN ON OUR ON PROPER
PLANNING, AND WE HAVE TO PROCURE
ITEMS WELL IN ADVANCE. THE LACK
OF FIRM DELIVERY DATES FROM MANY
OF THE SUPPLIERS MAKES US
PLANNING AND EVEN MORE
CHALLENGING ENDEAVOR. SO WHAT
HAVE WE DONE ABOUT THIS? ASIDE
FROM WORKING TIRELESSLY TO
PROCURE EQUIPMENT AND EXHAUSTING
ALL OPTIONS OUTSIDE OUR NORMAL
ROUTINE, INCLUDING RATIONING,
TRANSFORMERS AND SOURCING
EQUIPMENT FROM NEW SUPPLIERS. WE
RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEEDED TO
CREATE PARTNERSHIPS WITH OUR
BUILDING COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THE
UTILITY WAS NOT THE SOURCE OF
MEANINGFUL DEVELOPMENT DELAYS.
WE BEGAN TO APPROACH THE
DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BASED ON
SITE READINESS. WE SHIFTED OUR
APPROACH ON GROWTH TO MAKE SURE
WE HAD ENOUGH EQUIPMENT TO
AVAILABLE TO MEET IMMEDIATE
NEEDS, SUCH AS REPLACEMENT OF
FAILED EQUIPMENT IN EXISTING
NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE
INSTITUTED CERTAIN MILESTONES
THAT MUST BE MET BEFORE THE
EQUIPMENT IS INSTALLED. THIS
INCLUDES A COOPERATIVE EFFORT
WITH OTHER CITY OF ROOSEVELT
DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING THE
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT
, ESSENTIALLY THE NORMAL
CHANNELS FOR PLANNING AND
PROCURING EQUIPMENT BECAME TOO
SLOW AND PROBLEMATIC. SO WE HAD
TO RETHINK HOW TO ADDRESS
DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENT GROWTH
AS WELL AS RESTORATION OF
ELECTRIC SERVICE TO CUSTOMERS.
THIS WAS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE
WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP
WITH GROWTH IN OUR COMMUNITY IN
THE WAKE OF SUPPLY CHAIN
CHALLENGES AS A PART OF THE
POSITIVE OUTCOME OF THESE
EFFORTS, I NOW SERVE ON THE
BOARD OF OUR LOCAL BUILDING
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION, THE NORTH
STATE B I A AND I HAVE WORKED
WITH THIS GROUP TO LOBBY AT THE
FEDERAL LEVEL FOR SUPPLY CHAIN
SOLUTIONS. A COLLABORATIVE
APPROACH ON MATERIAL PROCUREMENT
, MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
UTILITIES TO EXPLORE. WE HAVE
SEEN FIRSTHAND PROCUREMENT
CHALLENGES FOR NECESSARY
EQUIPMENT TO SUPPORT GROWTH AND
RESTORATION OF SERVICE. THIS IS
PROBLEMATIC FOR SMALL TO
MIDSIZED UTILITIES THROUGHOUT
THE STATE, AND FOR THAT MATTER
OF THE COUNTRY, SMALL UTILITIES
HAVE A HARDER TIME ENTERING THE
MARKET AND ACCESSING NECESSARY
MATERIALS UNDER SUPPLY CHAIN
CONSTRAINTS, AND THERE MAY BE
SOME VALUE IN UTILITIES
COLLABORATING ON THESE EFFORTS.
THERE MAY ALSO BE AN OPPORTUNITY
FOR LARGE AND SMALL UTILITIES.
IRU IS NPR NEWS TO COORDINATE
BETTER IN THIS AREA. THIS WOULD
BE A BENEFICIAL OUTCOME FOR
EVERYONE INVOLVED, INSTEAD OF
COMPETING FOR THE SAME RESOURCES
THE SAME TIME WITH THE SAME
GOALS IN MIND. IN ADDITION, THE
STATE CAN HELP BY RECOGNIZING
THAT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES ARE
REAL WORLD REAL WORLD BARRIERS
SO SOME FLEXIBILITY IS NEEDED
WHILE WE CONTINUE TO WORK UNDER
THESE CONSTRAINTS PUBLICLY OWNED
UTILITIES PLAN TO MEET OR EXCEED
THE TARGETED STATE POLICIES AND
GOALS RELATED TO RENEWABLE
ENERGY, CLIMATE CHANGE AND
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION.
AS WE TAKE ON ELECTRIFYING OTHER
SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY AGAIN,
FLEXIBILITY WILL BE IMPORTANT.
ELECTRIFYING THE TRANSPORTATION
SECTOR WILL BE NO SMALL TASK AND
REQUIRE US TO CONTINUE TO
ELEVATE. EVALUATE THE ELECTRIC
SYSTEM, INFRASTRUCTURE AND
CAPACITY NEEDS TO ACCOMMODATE
THESE TARGETS ON AN ONGOING
BASIS. WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF
ELECTRIC VEHICLE DEPLOYMENT AS A
MEANS TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC GROWTH
IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND TO BE
RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF OUR
RESIDENTS, WHILE THE STATE
MANDATES ARE DRIVING THIS
TRANSITION, OUR CUSTOMERS ARE
REINFORCING THESE TARGETS
THROUGH THEIR UPTAKE OF ELECTRIC
VEHICLES. COMMUNITY ON UTILITIES
RESPOND DIRECTLY TO OUR CITY
COUNCIL AND CUSTOMERS. THEREFORE
IT IS IN OUR INTEREST TO RESPOND
QUICKLY AND EFFECTIVELY ON
ENERGY IZATION REQUESTS WE HEAR
DIRECTLY FROM OUR COMMUNITY
MEMBERS IF THERE ARE DELAYS.
BOSCH RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THAT
THEY ARE PLANNING TO INVEST 1.5
BILLION IN ROOSEVELT AT AN
EXISTING FACILITY IN OUR
COMMUNITY. TO MAKE CHIPS FOR
ELECTRIC VEHICLES. THIS IS A
REAL WORLD EXAMPLE OF HOW
ELECTRIFICATION IS DRIVING
INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE
ARE PLANNING NOW TO ENSURE WE
HAVE THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE IN
PLACE TO MEET THE EXPECTED NEEDS
BEFORE THE DEMAND ARRIVES.
PREDICTABILITY IS NECESSARY IN
STATE POLICIES AND GOALS SO THAT
UTILITIES CAN PLAN FLEXIBILITIES
IMPLEMENTATION IS NEEDED AS FUEL
SWITCHING INCREASES AND
RENEWABLE AND ZERO EMISSION
ENERGY TARGETS SIMULTANEOUSLY
RATCHET UP OUR GOAL IS TO BE A
CONDUIT TO ACHIEVE THESE
TARGETS, NOT A BARRIER PERMIT.
STREAMLINING IS ALSO AN
ADMIRABLE GOAL. HOWEVER
DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT
CONSTRUCTION MAY STILL BE
CONFRONTED WITH SUPPLY CHAIN
CHALLENGES. FINALLY I WANT TO
STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF TIMELY
COLLABORATION AMONG I O U. S. P
O. U. S AND DEVELOPERS. EVERY
TOOL WILL NEED TO BE HIS NEEDED
TO ENSURE THE STATEMENT THAT
GOES ON TIME. COLLABORATION
BETWEEN INVESTOR OWNED AND
PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY IS
PARAMOUNT AS ELECTRICITY NEEDS
GROW AND UPGRADES TO OUR SYSTEM
ARE NEEDED. GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSION REDUCTION TARGETS
DEPEND HEAVILY ON CLEAN
ELECTRICITY AND SUPPORT FOR
CALIFORNIA'S CLEAN ENERGY AND
EMISSION REDUCTION POLICIES
HINGE ON THE UTILITIES CORE
MISSION OF PROVIDING SAFE,
RELIABLE AND AFFORDABLE POWER. I
WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, UH,
REX BONE HUMBOLDT COUNTY. AH
FORTUYN SUPERVISOR UP THERE YOU
GUYS WAY UP NORTH. WE'RE
PROBABLY MOST WELL KNOWN FOR
BEING THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF
REDWOOD FENCING IN THE WORLD. UM
I'M NOT HERE ABOUT CANNABIS. UM
CHAIR. YOU SAID 5 TO 7 YEARS
WE'RE GETTING SOME CUSTOMERS
HEARING 10 YEARS UP IN SOUTHERN
HUMBOLDT COUNTY. AND IT IS
CAUSING A BIG DELAY IN. UM BOTH
ARE CONSTRUCTION AND OUR FORWARD
PLANNING. UM I WANT TO GIVE
KUDOS TO PG NEED. THEY'RE DOING
EVERYTHING OR WE FEEL THEY'RE
DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN. BUT THE
DELIVERABLES AREN'T THERE YET
AND DOING EVERYTHING AND
DELIVERABLES ARE IS WHAT'S GOING
TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE FOR US.
UM. WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN FOR
CLIMATE ADAPTATION AS OUR
POPULATION INCREASES. UM WE HAVE
SOME MAJOR MAJOR THINGS
HAPPENING, UM, ON OUR PORTS.
INTERNATIONAL FISH FARM COMING
IN. UM, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A
LARGE, UM POWER USAGE. WE HAVE
OFFSHORE WIND WE'VE SOLD TO
LEASES AND YOU'VE GOT WE'VE
HEARD IT. WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA
BE THE FIRST ONES OUT OF THE
CHUTE. UM, ON THAT, UM WE HAVE A
HOSPITAL IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
. I MEAN, SOUTHERN HUMBOLDT THAT
JUST PASSED THE BOND BECAUSE
THEY COULDN'T MEET SEISMIC
RETROFIT. THEY BOUGHT THEIR
PROPERTY. THEY WANT TO MOVE
FORWARD. THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD
WILL GET YOU POWER. BUT I DON'T
THINK THERE'S A GUARANTEE ON
IT'S STILL NERVOUS THING AND YOU
CAN'T START BUILDING UNTIL YOU
GET THAT WILL SERVE LETTER. UM
AND IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY ON
THE SOUTHERN PART OF OUR MOST OF
OUR PROBLEMS ARE COMING ON THE
SOUTHERN END OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE ABOUT 135,000 PEOPLE
STRETCHED OUT OVER 2.7 MILLION
ACRES, SO THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE
GETTING THE RURAL AREAS SERVICE
SERVED. I'VE PAST YEAR OF RURAL
COUNTIES REPRESENTING CALIFORNIA
. SO WE'RE HEARING THIS FROM A
LOT OF OUR RURAL COUNTERPARTS.
WE HAVE A LOCAL SCHOOL. I'M JUST
GOING TO GIVE YOU A FEW IDEAS.
WE HAVE A LOCAL SCHOOL THAT DID
A BOND APPROVAL FOR THEIR SCHOOL
DID QUITE A FEW UPGRADES, WHICH
WERE THAT WERE POWERED, BUT THEN
THEY UPGRADED THEIR CAFETERIA
SYSTEM AND THEY HAVE JUST FOUND
OUT THIS WEEK AFTER A LONG DELAY
THAT THEY WILL GET POWER KEPT
GETTING SENT BACK TO DESIGN AND
REVIEW. WE NEED TO SET SOMETHING
UP THAT THERE ISN'T A YEAR.
BETWEEN THE APPLICATION. TO THE
HOOK UP BECAUSE THE DELAYS AND
WE'RE HAVING PEOPLE WALK FROM
PROJECTS. WE HAVE A. WE KEEP
HEARING THAT THE POWER UM THE
DEMAND FOR POWER, AND I
APPRECIATE THE SHELTER COVE
PROJECT. I APPRECIATE THE, UH,
OUR AIRPORT GRID PROJECT WITH
THAT. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE.
NEITHER ONE OF THOSE WOULD
PROBABLY THE AIRPORT FOR SURE
WOULD NOT HAPPEN. WE HAVE A
SHOTS ENERGY SERVICE, WHICH IS A
WORLD RENOWNED ENERGY SERVICE AT
CAL POLY HUMBOLDT. AND UM, THEY
ARE TURNED TO A LOT FROM ENERGY
USERS ALL OVER, SO WE'RE LUCKY
WE HAVE THOSE RIGHT IN OUR
BACKYARD AT OUR COW, POLLY. UM
WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT. UM AND
THIS IS JUST ONE OF MORE THAN 25
. I COULD HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD.
MOST OF MY NOTES ARE SITTING ON
MY DESK AS I WAS GETTING
EVERYTHING READY THIS MORNING AT
FIVE O'CLOCK AND HUMBLE AND
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE STILL
SITTING. UM BUT WE HAVE A FARM.
UM, THAT WAS TRYING TO GET
HOOKED UP RUNS OFF A GENERATOR.
CLEAN AIR. WE WANTED THEM OFF A
GENERATOR. HE GOT A WILL SERVE
LETTER HE DID, THEY SAID, BRING
IN. DO ALL THAT HE DID $245,000
WORTH OF UPGRADES SO HE COULD
GET HIS POWER PAID HIS DEPOSIT.
TOLD HE COULDN'T GET SERVED.
AFTER HE HAD GOT THE WILL SERVE.
CAME BACK, PAID HIS DEPOSIT, AND
THEN THEY WENT THROUGH THAT LAST
BANKRUPTCY. LET'S CHECK BACK
CHECK BALANCE, BUT THEY MADE
THAT RIGHT THEN THEY CAME BACK
SAID WE'LL GIVE YOU A WILL
SERVE. BROUGHT HIM ANOTHER
DEPOSIT CHECK. SET UP TWO DATES
OF DAYS THAT WE WOULD BE OUT
THERE TO HOOK HIM UP. AND HE IS
HIS POWER HOOKUP WAS A LEVIN
FEET AWAY FROM THE TRANSFORMER
POLE. NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID
THEY NEVER SHOWED UP. EITHER
TIME HE HAD HIS ELECTRICIANS,
THEY'RE READY TO GO. SO THERE
NEEDS TO BE MORE COMMUNICATION
WITH THE CONSUMER. MORE HONESTY
WITH THE CONSUMER. I KNOW
THEY'RE TRYING VERY HARD. I
UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS TELLING MY
NEW FRIEND FROM THE PUC. WE HAD
COMMISSIONER HOW UP IN HUMBOLDT
COUNTY. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS
OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER. SHE SPENT
12 HOURS WITH ME. WE WENT
EVERYWHERE WE MET WITH THE
HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATOR. WE HAVE
A HUGE, UH, 78 ACRE MILK COMPLEX
THAT HAS BEEN PURCHASED. AND
THEY ARE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING
A WELL SERVED LETTER, WHICH
MEANS THEY'RE HAVING HAVING
TROUBLE GETTING FINANCING, WHICH
MEANS THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE
BUILDING THIS, WHICH MEANS WE'RE
HAVING TROUBLE COLLECTING ANY
TAX DOLLARS OFF THAT PIECE OF
PROPERTY AS IT SITS DORMANT. SO
WE KEEP HEARING THAT PG AND E
HAS SOMETHING IN THE WORKS. AND
I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING AT THAT.
BUT 5 TO 7 YEARS WILL NOT IN
THIS ECONOMY FOR US IN HUMBOLDT
COUNTY. AND I'M SAYING HUMBOLDT
COUNTY, BUT THIS IS. THIS IS
HAPPENING IN A LOT OF RURAL
COUNTIES AS YOU AS YOU GUYS WELL
KNOW, AND I'M YOUR HEARING AT
THE BUCS HEARING IT AND
EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT WE DO NEED
TO GET THESE SERVICES. WE NEED
TO WORK ON THESE SERVICES, AND I
KNOW HE HAS HAD A LOT. OF
TROUBLES. BUT A LOT OF THOSE
TROUBLES OR SELF SERVING
MAINTENANCE ISSUES. AND WE'VE
GOT TO GET THAT STRAIGHTENED
OUT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW. I
DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS ARE
GOING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. BUT
FOR THE SMALL COUNTIES THAT
SOMETIMES SIT BACK IN THE DUST.
UM ANOTHER LAST ONES TO GET
SERVED IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY
HEALTHY. AND PROVIDE THE
SERVICES YOU WANT. WHERE YOU
RECREATE WHERE YOU GET A LOT OF
YOUR FOOD. CAN BEEF AND THINGS
LIKE THAT. WE'RE GOING TO NEED
THIS POWER. AND WE'RE GONNA NEED
A BETTER PARTNER THAN PG KNEE.
WE NEED THEM. THEY'RE GOOD
PARTNER. WE NEED HIM TO BE A
BETTER PARTNER SO WE CAN GO INTO
THESE SITUATIONS WITH CONFIDENCE
THAT WHEN SOMEBODY BUILD
SOMETHING, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF
BUILDINGS, SETTING UP THEIR
BRAND NEW BUILDINGS THAT HAD
WILL SERVED LETTERS THAT ARE
STILL SITTING EMPTY BECAUSE THEY
CAN'T GET HOOKED UP. THE
INVESTMENTS MADE EVERYTHING IS
DONE AND THEY CAN'T GET HOOKED
UP. SOMEWHERE IN THERE. WE NEED
TO GET THAT FIGURED OUT. AND I
DON'T MEAN TO BE HEARD ON PG
BECAUSE 99.9% OF THE TIME WHEN I
GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT. TO DO WHAT I DO. THE
LIGHT COMES ON. AND DURING THE
RECENT EARTHQUAKES AND OF
DECEMBER 20TH. WE HAD PGD WENT
OUT OF THEIR WAY TO GET PEOPLE
HOOKED UP. AND THEY WENT OUT OF
THEIR WAY TO PROVIDE GENERATORS
HUNDREDS OF GENERATORS TO PEOPLE
THAT THEY COULDN'T GET TO
BECAUSE DURING THE STORMS, AND
DURING THAT WE HAD A
SNOWMAGEDDON THAT WE'RE NOT
FAMILIAR WITH US, AS OTHER
PLACES ARE, SO THEY STEP UP.
WHEN THEY NEED TO, BUT WE NEED
TO PLAN AHEAD AND WE KEEP
HEARING THIS PLANNING AHEAD. BUT
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE THINGS
THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIKE
THE HOSPITAL BOND IN SOUTHERN
HUMBOLDT. THAT WAS PASSED FOUR
YEARS AGO FIVE YEARS AGO. SO YOU
KNOW THERE'S HOSPITAL COMING.
YOU NEED TO READ YOUR AUDIENCE.
SO WITH THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR
TIME. I LOVE COMING DOWN HERE
AND SPEAKING TO YOU GUYS, UM AND
I APPRECIATE THAT. IT WAS
WONDERFUL SEAT IN MY ASSEMBLYMAN
HERE, JIM WOODS. HE'S HEARD ALL
OF THIS 100 TIMES BECAUSE HE'S I
KNOW I'VE BEEN DOING 100
MEETINGS WITH THEM. AND
CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD TO SEE YOU
UP THERE, DAMON. THANK YOU GUYS.
THANK YOU. NEXT WEEK. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR. FELLOW
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. BILL WEBB,
BILL WEBB HOMES CHICO,
CALIFORNIA FOR NYA, THANK YOU
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE
AND I'M JUST GOING TO SHARE MY
MOST RECENT STORY WITH PAGANINI
, UH, PLANNING SERVICES, QUICK
BACKGROUND ON MYSELF. I'M A
THIRD GENERATION BUILDER AND THE
CHICO AREA MY FAMILY HAS BEEN
BUILDING. SINGLE FAMILY AND
MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS FOR
THE LAST 50. PLUS YEARS UP THERE
, UH, WE CONTINUE TO OWN OPERATE
AND MANAGE SEVERAL QUITE A FEW
PROPERTIES. UM. THE MOST RECENT
PROJECT WE STARTED LAST YEAR.
IT'S A 220 LOT SUBDIVISION. IT'S
GOING TO BE PHASED IN OVER
SEVERAL YEARS. UM REMARKABLE
DICTATE. YOU KNOW HOW MANY BUT
SUBMITTED MY APPLICATION WITH
PAGANINI ON MARCH, 4TH ACTUALLY
RECEIVED MY APPLICATION DEEMED
APPROVED FROM PG AND E. ON MARCH
4TH. THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. UH
WOULD SEVERAL EMAILS PHONE CALLS
TO THEIR PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN
THE LOCAL REP. WE RECEIVED SOME
OF THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING
WORK BACK. IT'S WHERE MY DESIGN
CONSULTANT COULD START WORKING
ON DESIGN. IT WASN'T UNTIL JULY
, 20TH. THAT. WE WERE ABLE TO
WORK ON WHAT PG ANY CALLS THE
SKIS KEY SKETCH. IT'S JUST I
GUESS A PRELIMINARY SKETCH OF
HOW WE'RE GOING TO SERVE POWER
TO THE PROPERTY. UM ANOTHER
COUPLE OF MONTHS WENT MONTHS
WENT BY WHERE THAT FINALLY GOT
APPROVED AND SEPTEMBER 6. WE
SUBMITTED OUR FIRST DESIGN. AH
TO PG ANY SO THAT'S SIX MONTHS
FROM WHEN OUR APPLICATION WAS
RECEIVED. UM I HAD ANTICIPATED
STARTING CONSTRUCTION IN JULY OR
MID JULY THAT YEAR LAST YEAR, UM
, OBVIOUSLY HAD TO PUT THAT ON
HOLD. NOT EVEN HAVING A DRAFT.
WE COULD WORK OFF. SO WE'RE
MOVING ON FROM SEPTEMBER 6TH. WE
RECEIVED OUR FIRST COMMENTS BACK
. UH OCTOBER. 7TH UH, WITH WITH
A FEW, UM ITEMS THAT NEEDED
ADDRESSING WE RE SUBMITTED THAT
THE SAME DAY. UH IT WASN'T UNTIL
DECEMBER. 6TH WE RECEIVED OUR
SECOND ROUND OF COMMENTS. UM,
PART OF THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED
THAT MONTH. THE SECOND HALF OF
THE PROJECT, WHICH WAS A LITTLE
BIT OF BETTERMENT WORK ON PGN
EAST SIDE AND SOME W R O WORK. I
CAN'T THINK OF WHAT THAT ACRONYM
STANDS FOR RIGHT NOW. THAT
WASN'T IMPROVED TILL LATER THAT
MONTH, SO NOW WE'RE IN DECEMBER
. I DECIDED TO START BUILDING
HOMES IN DECEMBER. UM WITH. THE
UNDERSTANDING I WOULD HAVE POWER
BY MARCH. THAT'S WHAT WAS TOLD
TO ME, SO OKAY. DECEMBER THAT
GIVES ME THREE MONTHS TO GET THE
HOUSES UP. WE HAD SEVERAL
CONTRACTS AT THAT POINT. SO NOW
WE'RE 656 MONTHS DELAYED ON OUR
CONSTRUCTION STARTS OR MOVING
THROUGH THE WINTER. EVERYTHING'S
GOING FINE. THINGS ARE MOVING.
WHAT I THOUGHT THROUGH PEONIES
SYSTEM QUITE SMOOTHLY AT THAT
POINT. WE GET TO MARCH 8TH STILL
NO CONTRACTS. APPROVALS WERE
RECEIVED IN FEBRUARY. AND THEN
AFTER OUR APPROVALS, IT GOES TO
COSTING IT FAST FORWARD. I JUST
WAS FULLY ENERGIZED THIS MONTH,
MAY 5TH. THAT'S 14 MONTHS FROM
WHEN MY APPLICATION WAS
RECEIVED. DURING THAT TIME, WE
HAD MAYBE HALF A DOZEN TO EIGHT
HOMES COMPLETELY CONSTRUCTED.
SIX OF THOSE. WE HAD BUYERS
READY TO MOVE IN. OR GETTING
READY TO MOVE IN, UM, BACK WHEN
WE STARTED INTO DECEMBER, I.
LOOKED AT USING GENERATORS TO
POWER THE HOMES. EVENTUALLY WE
PULLED THAT IDEA JUST WASN'T
PRACTICAL TO ASK PEOPLE MOVE IN
AND LIVE OFF A GENERATOR FOR AN
UNKNOWN PERIOD OF TIME. WE DID
SUPPLY OUR SALES OFFICE AND
MODEL HOMES WOULD GENERATORS
JUST SO WE HAD SOMETHING TO SHOW
THE FOLKS UM I'M KIND OF IN THE
SAME BOAT AS REX OVER HERE.
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. I DO
HEAR FROM MY DESIGN CONSULTANT
THAT THEY MEET MONTHLY WITH
REPRESENTATIVE PG ME ON HOW TO
HELP MAYBE STREAMLINE THE DESIGN
PROCESS. UM. I JUST REFLECT BACK
TO ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, WHEN
THINGS WERE A LITTLE SIMPLER. WE
DIDN'T RELY ON THE COMPUTER SO
MUCH. WE TALKED TO PEOPLE ON THE
PHONE. WE MET WITH THEM IN
PERSON. WE HAD PRE ENGINEERING
MEETINGS WHERE ALL THE UTILITIES
WOULD COME, AND WE'D HASH OUT
SOME OF THE DETAILS AND GET A
LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
YOU KNOW, IN A TWO HOUR PERIOD I
DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO TO HELP.
I'M A SMALL BUILDER. I BUILD 40
TO 50 HOMES A YEAR WE BUILD
APARTMENTS HERE AND THERE. UM I
DON'T KNOW HOW THE BIG GUYS ARE
DOING IT. UM I KNOW WE'RE NOT
TALKING ABOUT EQUIPMENT HERE
TODAY, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO
WHERE WE'RE NOT WAITING 14
MONTHS TO ENERGIZE HOME. OR
PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HAVE
PRESENTED AYE. NO WE HAVE A
HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS FROM OUR
COLLEAGUES UP HERE, SO I'LL LOOK
TO MY LEFT FIRST. START WITH MS
ELOISE RACE AND THEN WORK OUR
WAY DOWN. AFTER ALL THESE
INFORMATIONAL HEARINGS LIKE PG
AND E IS ALWAYS. IT MUST BE UM,
AND TRYING TO FIND THE PERSON
WHO MAKES THE DECISION. TO TAKE
CARE OF BUSINESS IS ALWAYS THE
MOST DIFFICULT PART. I WILL TELL
YOU AND I SHARE THIS STORY IN
OTHER COMMITTEES THAT UM, IN A
LITTLE UNRELATED, BUT THE IDEA
IS RELATED, AND THAT FINDING THE
PERSON TO BE ABLE TO SAY THE
BUCK STOPS HERE. UM THIS IS THE
PROCESS AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN. AND THIS IS WHO
DECIDES AND THIS IS HOW WE HOLD
PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. UM DOCTOR,
SHIRLEY WEBER, OUR SECRETARY OF
STATE WHEN SHE TOOK OFFICE.
SAID. WE NEED TO UM. I NEED TO
KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH
ASPECT OF THIS OFFICE SO THAT I
KNOW THAT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE I
KNOW WHO I'M GOING TO GO TALK TO
MAKE SURE THAT ISSUE GETS TAKEN
CARE OF. AND I BEEN ON THIS
COMMITTEE FOR MY ENTIRE SIX
YEARS, AND IT SEEMS THAT
ESPECIALLY DURING THE WILDFIRES,
IT WAS SERIOUS ISSUE, SO I HOPE
THAT AT SOME POINT PG AND HE
GETS TO THE POINT WHERE THEY
HAVE SOMEONE WHO SAYS THE BOOK
STOPS HERE. I AM RESPONSIBLE AND
I WILL FIND EXACTLY WHO IS GOING
TO TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE. I
WON'T ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I
KNOW WE CAN'T GET AN ANSWER. BUT
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR PUC. UM
IN THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION
FROM THE COMMITTEE. UM IT'S SAID
THAT THERE WAS A RECENT CPUC
REPORT THAT ESTIMATED THAT $50
BILLION.00. WE'LL NEED TO BE
INVESTED. IN JUST THE
DISTRIBUTION GRID ALONE BY 2035.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE
COMMISSION'S STRATEGY FOR
REDUCING AND MANAGING THOSE
COSTS? HOW MUCH ARE YOU ASSUMING
INCREASED DEMAND FROM
ELECTRIFICATION WILL REDUCE
RATEPAYER COSTS. RATEPAYER COST
PRESSURES AND WHAT IS A
CERTAINTY OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS?
THANK YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S IS
SO, UM, YOU'RE CORRECT
CONSULTANT STUDY WAS RELEASED
AND WE HELD A WEBINAR ON THE
17TH TO PRESENT THAT DRAFT STUDY
TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS. I DO WANT
TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT IS A DRAFT
STUDY. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT ONE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING MANY
COMMENTS FROM STAKEHOLDERS. UM
REFLECTING ON THE ASSUMPTIONS
THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT ARE
IN THE STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT,
UM THE STUDY WAS CONDUCTED IN A
WAY THAT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING WE
DO IS WITH STAKEHOLDERS. SO I DO
WANT TO REFLECT THEIR, UM WE'VE
ALSO IDENTIFIED OPPORTUNITIES
FOR ALREADY FOR UPDATING THE
STUDY RELATED TO BUILDING
ELECTRIFICATION DATA. AND
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
DATA THAT IS NEWER THAT HAS COME
IN, SO THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A
COUPLE OF AREAS THAT WE KNOW
THAT WE WANT TO UPDATE THIS
DRAFT STUDY STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL
AS ADDITIONAL DATA. THAT YOU ARE
CORRECT ON THE ESTIMATE THAT WAS
LISTED ON THE ON THE STUDY. UM I
DO WANT TO ACTUALLY POINT TO
SOMETHING THAT WAS MY COLLEAGUES
PRESENTATION. BUT IT'S SOMETHING
THAT THE CPUC AND THE ENERGY
COMMISSION ARE WORKING ON
TOGETHER, WHICH ARE LOAD
MANAGEMENT STANDARDS AND THE
ADOPTION OF ADVANCED RATES IN
ORDER TO HELP CUSTOMERS TOO. UM
MITIGATE COSTS USING DIFFERENT
AUTOMATION OPPORTUNITIES TO
REFLECT REAL TIME GRID
CONDITIONS. AND, UM HELP
CUSTOMERS MORE EFFICIENTLY USE
ELECTRICITY, SO THAT'S JUST AN
EXAMPLE OF A WAY THAT COSTS
WOULD BE MITIGATED. UM AND WE'LL
BE LOOKING AT, UM OTHER
STRATEGIES AS WELL. SO PART OF
THE STAKEHOLDER COMMENT PROCESS
IS GOING TO BE ELEVATING. UM
IDEAS FROM STAKEHOLDERS ON HOW
TO MITIGATE THOSE COSTS. SO THIS
IS REALLY JUST AN INITIAL DRAFT
STUDY AND THERE'S MANY STEPS TO
GO FURTHER. BUT WE THOUGHT IT
WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO AT LEAST
START ON THIS STUDY PROCESS AND
START GETTING SOME MORE CONCRETE
. DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT, UM
WHAT THESE COSTS LOOK LIKE IN
THE FUTURE, AND AN ADDITIONAL
POINT THAT I DO WANT TO MAKE IS
THAT, UM WE KNOW THAT THERE IS
SIGNIFICANT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE
ON THE SYSTEM. AGING
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE KNOW IS
GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED
ANYWAY. AND SO SOMETHING THAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE STUDY
IS NOT REPLACING A LIKE FOR LIKE
BUT REPLACING, UM, THIS AGING
INFRASTRUCTURE WITH MORE MODERN
TECHNOLOGIES IN ORDER TO BE ABLE
TO SUPPORT THINGS LIKE
TRANSPORTATION, ELECTRIFICATION
BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION, UM BI
DIRECTIONAL CHARGING THINGS OF
THAT NATURE, SO THE STUDY IS
REALLY JUST THE BEGINNING. BUT
WE DID THINK IT WAS VERY
IMPORTANT TO GET THE STUDY
CONDUCTED AND START WITH THAT
STAKEHOLDER PROCESS. THE SECOND
PART IS, UM, HOW MUCH? ARE YOU
ASSUMING THE INCREASED DEMAND
FROM ELECTRIFICATION WILL REDUCE
THE RATE PIER? UH, COST THAT
THAT'S STILL UNDER STUDY IS
THAT'S STILL UNDER STUDYING AS
WELL. UM SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT
NUMBER JUST YET. WE JUST HAD
THAT INITIAL MEMBER BUT WE'LL
MAKE SURE TO KEEP YOU UPDATED.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
THANK YOU, MR PATTERSON. AND
THEN UH, MR TING, FOLLOWED BY MR
WOOD. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN.
APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE
OPPORTUNITY. UM. I GUESS WE ALL
HAVE STORIES, DON'T WE? WELL,
I'M GONNA TELL YOU A FEW ABOUT
PRESIDENT CALIFORNIA. I WAS THE
MAYOR OF FRESNO FOR EIGHT YEARS
, THEN UP HERE FOR 10 AND VICE
CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE FOR
THESE 10 YEARS. UH, FRESNO IS
EXPLODING. REALLY GOOD THINGS
ARE HAPPENING. ARZU IS BECOMING
ONE OF THE ATTRACTIONS OF THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. OUR
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT HAS JUST
EXPLODED. WE HAVE BROKEN GROUND.
ON A SUBSTANTIALLY LARGE
IMPROVEMENT IN OUR TERMINAL.
ALSO WITH RESPECT TO OUR
INTERNATIONAL UM, T S A AND ALL
OF THAT. UM, AT THE SAME TIME
HOUR. COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM.
UH IS INVESTING A LOT IN NEW
CAMPUSES. AH! CLOVIS COMMUNITY
COLLEGE HAS A BIG CEATEC PROGRAM
AND THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THEY
CANNOT GET ENERGIZED. FRESNO
CITY COLLEGE WAS DELAYED. IN A
MAJOR IMPROVEMENT WITH RESPECT
TO ITS PARKING ISSUES BECAUSE OF
THE DELAY THAT PG AND A, UH. OUR
OUR CENTER COMMUNITY COLLEGE
DISTRICT IN WEST FRESNO, WHICH
IS AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN
ESSENTIALLY, I THINK IGNORED FOR
FAR TOO LONG. AND YET OVER THE
LAST 10 15 YEARS HAD BEEN
SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
AND WE NOW HAVE A PLANNED AND
FINANCED CAMPUS THAT WILL BE
ASSOCIATED WITH EDISON HIGH
SCHOOL AS A AS A MAGNET DELAYED
BY PG AND E. HUNDREDS OF NEW
HOMES. ON THE VERGE OF FALLING
OUT OF ESCROW. BECAUSE THEY
CANNOT GET ENERGIZED AT THE TIME
OF THE CLOSING. UM MY GUESS IS
THAT PG AND E HAS PROBABLY HEARD
OF THE CONCERNS THAT THOSE OF US
IN FRESNO HAVE WITH RESPECT TO
ENERGIZING. AND YET WE CONTINUE
TO GET THE SAME KIND OF WELL,
WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THE
BEST WE CAN. WE'RE TRYING REALLY
HARD. AND YET WE STILL HAVE
THESE. SIGNIFICANT DELAYS. WE
HAVE SUBSTANTIAL AND SIGNIFICANT
INVESTMENT. UH WITH WITH RESPECT
TO. MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS
THAT ARE COMING ONLINE. WE HAVE
A LOT OF DISTRIBUTION
OPERATIONS. WE HAVE A LOT OF
INTEGRATED OPERATIONS WITH
RESPECT TO OUR AGRICULTURE,
PEOPLE AND THEIR THEIR
PROCESSING. ALL DELAYED. UM. AND
IF I HEARD CORRECTLY THAT YOU
THINK THAT ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS
HERE IS TO ASK FOR LARGE RATE
INCREASES AND HAVE THEM APPROVED
FASTER. ISN'T THAT WHAT I HEARD?
SO WE'RE THE FIFTH LARGEST CITY
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ARE S
M S A IS A MILLION AND A HALF
PEOPLE. AND YET WE CANNOT GET
FUNDAMENTAL ELECTRICITY SERVICES
TO A CITY. THAT HAS THIS ROBUST
DEVELOPMENT. OUR COMMUNITY
COLLEGES. ALL OF THAT. AND SO,
LOOK, I. UH I'M INTERESTED TO
HEAR, BUT I'VE HEARD IT ALL
BEFORE. AND THE QUESTION IS,
WHEN IS THE ELECTRICITY GOING TO
COME ON? I MEAN, WITH ALL DUE
RESPECT, THIS FEELS A LOT LIKE
THE SORT OF THE EMERGENCE OF A
THIRD WORLD. COUNTRY PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, NOT ENOUGH
ELECTRICITY. UM I TRAVELED. AND
THEY 19 EIGHTIES EARLY NINETIES
Tð. ALRIGHT EAST AFRICA ACTUALLY
SPENT SOME TIME IN ANY ETHIOPIA.
CHECKED INTO THE CONRAD HILTON
HOTEL IN ADDIS ABABA. AND THERE
WAS A SIGN THAT SAID WATER IS
AVAILABLE FROM NINE IN THE
MORNING UNTIL NOON. ELECTRICITY
IS AVAILABLE FROM NOON UNTIL
WHATEVER ARE WE GETTING TO A
PLACE WHERE CALIFORNIA'S ROBUST
GROWTH? CITIES LIKE FRESNO'S
ROBUST GROWTH. IS GOING TO BE
STYMIED. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE
TOLD NOT? YES LET'S ENERGIZE,
BUT NO, WAIT. MAYBE I MEAN,
SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN HERE.
BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR
LEADERS HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY
TO CONVINCE OUR POPULATION
PRESENT IS ALMOST 600,000 NOW.
THAT THAT WERE THE CAPITAL
REGION OF THE FOURTH OR FIFTH
MOST IMPORTANT CAPITAL CITY AND
THE MOST IMPORTANT REGION IN THE
AREA. YOU'VE GOT L, A SAN
FRANCISCO YOU'VE GOT THE SAN
DIEGO YOU'VE GOT SACRAMENTO. BUT
YOU GOT FRESNO, CALIFORNIA AS
WELL. AND IF YOU WERE TO TAKE
INTEREST IN LOOKING AT WHAT
FRESNO IS BECOMING. YOU WOULD BE
AMAZED AND SURPRISED AT THE
CONSTRUCTION. AND IT'S NOT JUST
THE CITY LIMITS. THIS IS A
REGIONAL ISSUE. AND SO FROM
EVERYTHING FROM HOME OWNERSHIP.
TO EDUCATION FOR OUR KIDS AT
COMMUNITY COLLEGES. WE'VE MADE
COMMITMENTS AND WE'VE ASKED
PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THEM WITH
RESPECT TO BONDS AND SELF
IMPOSED TAXES WERE SELF HELP
COUNTY WITH MEASURE MEASURE C.
AND WHAT IS THE DELAY? WHAT IS
THE PROBLEM? WE'RE ALL READY TO
GO TO WORK, ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES
AND DO IT. WE DO BEST. WE CANNOT
GET ELECTRICITY. IN CALIFORNIA.
IN THE 21ST CENTURY. THAT'S GOT
TO CHANGE. SO I DON'T UM. DID
YOU HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU
WANT TO DIRECT TO FOLKS? WE HAVE
TWO INDIVIDUALS HERE FROM PG AND
E TO RESPOND. UH, HAD LOTS OF
CONVERSATIONS WITH OKAY. PG AND
A DOWN DOWN THROUGH THE LINE.
UH, WITH THEIR LOCAL FOLKS AND
OTHERS UP THE CHAIN. UM UNLESS.
UNLESS WE SEE ENERGIZING TAKING
PLACE. WE SEE THESE HOMES TO GET
ENERGIZED. WE SEE THE THESE
CONSTRUCTION SITES OF COMMUNITY
COLLEGES IN UNDERSERVED AREAS.
RIGHT AND ARZU AND OUR AIRPORT
IS GOING TO BE AN IMMENSE
PROJECT. ITS IN THE PIPELINE.
IT'S IN THE WORKS. WE NEED TO
HAVE THE ELECTRICITY TO MAKE
THAT HAPPEN, AND I DON'T HAVE A
QUESTION. WE HAVE A DEMAND.
THANK YOU. MR TING. UH THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR, I GUESS, UM JUST
GOING TO BOTH CPUC. AND THE C C.
UM SORRY, MR EARLIER
PRESENTATIONS, BUT JUST WE ARE
WE? I THINK WE'VE HEARD A LOT
WITH THE PROBLEMS ARE IN YOUR
MIND. WHAT UH, WHAT ARE THE
SOLUTIONS IN TERMS OF UM, REALLY
MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE, UM,
INCREASING OUR ELECTRICITY LOAD
. UH REALLY IMPROVING OUR
TRANSMISSION. THIS
INTERCONNECTION. WE KNOW THAT
THERE WAS A MAJOR ISSUE WHEN WE
HAD THIS DEBATE AROUND, UM UH,
ENERGY LAST LAST FALL AND MAKING
SURE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY
PROCURE MORE CLEAN ENERGY
GETTING MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE
GETTING TO OUR CLEAN ENERGY
GOALS. SO I GET, I GUESS. IF YOU
COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE
SUCCINCTLY JUST HIGHLIGHT. WHAT
WHAT ARE THOSE? WHAT ARE THOSE
PARTICULAR? YOU KNOW? WHAT ARE
THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO
GO? TACKLE. YOU FIRST. I'LL GO.
I'LL GO FIRST. SO IN MY
PRESENTATION, I HAD THE WELL I
DID START BY TALKING ABOUT SOME
OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
DISTRIBUTION, INTERCONNECTION
AND ENERGY IZATION, UM,
DISTRIBUTION INTERCONNECTION
BEING RELATED TO, UM, CONNECTING
BEHIND THE METER LOADS LIKE
SOLAR STORAGE, SOME VEHICLE TO
INTEGRATE GRID INTEGRATION IN
THE DIFFERENT TARIFFS THERE. BUT
THEN ALSO HONING IN ON THE ISSUE
OF ENERGY IZATION AND THE RULES
THERE AND THE CHALLENGES WHICH I
THINK REALLY HAS BEEN THE FOCUS
OF THE OF THIS HEARING SO FAR,
UM SO TALKING ABOUT THE SHORT
TERM, I HIGHLIGHTED THAT WE HAVE
PULLED TOGETHER A STAFF TASK
FORCE THAT HAS BEEN DOING
TROUBLESHOOTING WITH SPECIFIC
CUSTOMERS AND IN PARTICULAR P
GENIE, BUT ALSO AVAILABLE FOR
OTHER OTHER UTILITIES. I DID
EMPHASIZE THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS
REALLY THE JOB OF THE UTILITY.
BUT WE HAVE PULLED TOGETHER OUR
STAFF TO PROVIDE THAT WORK AND
SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE
COME THROUGH THAT HAVE BEEN KIND
OF RIGHT SIZING PROJECTS AND
MAKING SURE THE RIGHT LOAD IS
THERE BUT THEN ALSO LOOKING AT
SHORT TERM ENGINEERING SOLUTIONS
AND GETTING PG NEED TO DO THOSE
AND WE'VE RECEIVED VERY POSITIVE
FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT. WITH THE
PRIORITIZATION OF HOUSING AS
WELL AS PUBLIC SAFETY. BASED ON
YOUR STATEMENT, YOU MAKE IT
SOUND LIKE THIS IS THESE ARE
INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS. I THINK
BASED ON THE PANEL BASED ON
EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN LOOKING
AT. THIS IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IT TASK
FORCE. AT THE C P U. C. CAN.
ADDRESS THE SYSTEMIC ISSUE. I
GUESS, I GUESS WHAT'S THE
SYSTEMIC SOLUTION CAN TURN TO
WHAT WAS THE LONG TERM STRATEGY
BECAUSE I HAD THAT WAS THE SHORT
TERM. I WAS JUST HIGHLIGHTING
THERE WAS A MEDIUM TERM RELATED
TO THE GENERAL RATE CASES AND
THEN THE LONG TERM AND THERE
WERE TWO ASPECTS THAT I
HIGHLIGHTED IN MY PRESENTATION.
SO THE FIRST WITH OUR HEIDI ER,
UM PROCEEDING. AND SO IN THAT
PROCEEDING RIGHT NOW WE ARE
LOOKING AT THE SYSTEMIC ISSUES
SO CHANGING HOW THE UTILITIES
ARE DOING THEIR DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM PLANNING AND WE PUT OUT A
RULING THAT REQUIRED THE
UTILITIES TO RESPOND TO INFORM
ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT
WHAT THE CURRENT DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM PROCESS IS. THEN WE HAD
ANOTHER RULING THAT ALLOWED ITS
STAKEHOLDERS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK
ON CHANGES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
SO SOME THINGS THAT WE HEARD
FROM THOSE COMMENTS JUST THAT
JUST CAME IN SO FAR HAVE BEEN
ENHANCING THE COMMUNICATION
BETWEEN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS,
PLANNING ENTITIES AND THE
UTILITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
UTILITIES ARE INFORMED BY WHAT A
LOCAL LOCAL ENTITIES PLANS ARE
FOR HOUSING FOR OTHER ECONOMIC
GROWTH. IN ADDITION TO THAT ALSO
HEARD FEEDBACK ABOUT ENHANCED
DATA SETS FOR THE UTILITIES TO
BE USING. UM JUST WANTED TO GIVE
YOU A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE SEE
THAT GOING. UM THE NEXT STEPS
WILL BE AROUND PUTTING TOGETHER
A STAFF PROPOSAL BASED ON ALL OF
THAT STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, OF
COURSE, WILL ALLOW US TO
STAKEHOLDERS TO ALSO COMMENT ON
THAT STAFF PROPOSAL SO THAT THE
CPUC CAN PUT OUT A DECISION
CHANGING THE WAY THE UTILITIES
DO THEIR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM
PLANNING. ALSO HIGHLIGHTED
THERE'S SOME ACUTE ISSUES IN
RELATION TO TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION, SO I DID
HIGHLIGHT A NEW INFRASTRUCTURE
PLANNING FRAMEWORK THAT LAUNCHED
ON MONDAY. UM THERE WAS A
WEBINAR THAT WAS HELD. THIS IS
ACTUALLY AN INTERAGENCY WORK, SO
IT'S UM BEING LED BY THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION. BUT THE
AIR RESOURCES BOARD THE
TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION. THE
SEAT. DO YOU WANNA? AYE. OKAY SO
YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING A RULING.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR FEEDBACK. I
MEAN, DO WE REALLY NEED A RULING
TO TELL US? THIS IS A PROBLEM? I
GUESS. NO, BUT WE DO WANT TO LET
YOU FINISH. I THINK WHAT WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING FOR ARE WHAT ARE
SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS. SO YOU'RE
SAYING. IS IT REALLY THAT
COMMUNICATE? I'M GONNA I'M GONNA
ASK P GENIE. IS IT REALLY THAT
COMMUNICATIONS WITH LOCAL
GOVERNMENT? IS THAT THE PROBLEM?
IF I MAY RESPOND TO SAYING THAT
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE TELLING US
IT IS A PROBLEM AND I'D LIKE TO
HEAR FROM UTILITIES AND WE HAVE
ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM LOCAL
GOVERNMENT WHO I THINK SAID, YOU
KNOW, S¼ STATED HIS OPINION. YES
YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A
PLANNING PROCESS AND PART OF
THAT. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS AS
OUR REPS ARE REACHING OUT TO
LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WE'RE GOING TO
BE SEEKING INFORMATION FROM THEM
ON WHAT PLANS DO THEY HAVE SO
THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE
INCORPORATE THEM RIGHT? WE'RE
GOING TO TAKE THE HYPER FORECAST
FROM THE EEC AND DEATH
SEGREGATED TO COME UP WITH WHAT
ARE THE NEEDS ON OUR SYSTEM AND
HAVE THE PLANS TO UPGRADE OUR
SYSTEM. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT,
WE WANT TO GET THAT LOCAL
COMMUNITY INPUT WE WANT TO GET.
UH INPUT FROM OTHER STAKEHOLDERS
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FORECAST
THAT WE HAVE DOES ALIGN WITH
WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE LOCAL
COMMUNITIES. SO YES, I THINK
IT'S GOING TO HELP BETTER INFORM
THE WHAT WE'RE FORECASTING. BUT
WE DO HAVE A FORECAST AND WE DO
FORECAST NEEDS. BUT AGAIN, MR
PATTERSON SAYING ABOUT FRESNO
AND WHAT OUR SUPERVISORS SINGING
HUMBOLDT, THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED
INCIDENTS. THIS IS HAPPENING ALL
ACROSS YOUR TERRITORY. SO, TO
ME. THIS IS NOT. SO WE NEED TO
HAVE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE FRESNO CITY COUNCIL, THE
FRESNO MAYOR. WHAT WHAT? WHAT'S
HAPPENING TO INCREASE THE
CAPACITY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
TO ME, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW FOR
THE PUC TO COME AND SAY, HEY,
NUMBER ONE THAT YOU KNOW BETTER
COMMUNICATION WITH LOCAL
GOVERNMENT. THAT DOESN'T SEEM IT
SEEMS MUCH, MUCH BIGGER. IT
SEEMS LIKE IS IT THAT THE YOUR
YOUR YOUR PLANNING PROCESS IS
BROKEN IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE
THE, UH THE ENGINEERS TO
IMPLEMENT THIS. IS IT A RESOURCE
ISSUE? BECAUSE TO ME, THIS IS A
SYSTEMIC PROBLEM. THIS IS NOT,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING SOME
ISSUES WITH HUMBOLDT'S. MAYBE WE
GOTTA HAVE BETTER COMMUNICATION
WITH HUMBOLDT OR FRESNO. I DON'T
THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE. WE HEAR
IT ALL OVER THE BAY AREA TO
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO ISOLATE THE
TWO ISSUES RIGHT? THE PRESIDENT
PROBLEMS MORE ABOUT ENERGY
IZATION AND NOT CAPACITY ISSUES
, RIGHT THAT SERVICE CONNECTION,
WHEREAS IN HUMBOLDT, IT WAS
CAPACITY ISSUES. YEAH WE DID. WE
DID HAVE THE FOOD. THE FORECAST
. I TOLD US WHAT WORK WE NEED TO
DO. THE WORK IS UNDERWAY. IT'S
JUST THAT THE TYPE OF WORK WE'RE
DOING IS GOING TO TAKE A FEW
YEARS TO ACCOMPLISH VERY COMPLEX
SUBSTATION UPGRADES.
TRANSMISSION LINE UPGRADES
BUILDING OUT NEW FEEDERS. AND
THAT WORKED JUST CAN'T BE DONE
IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR. IT
TAKES MULTI YEARS TO IMPLEMENT
THOSE PLANS. SO WE DO HAVE THE
PLANS. THE WORK IS CURRENTLY
UNDERWAY SO THAT WE CAN SERVE
THESE CUSTOMERS IN HUMBOLDT. AND
I CAN HAVE MY COLLEAGUE MATT, UH
, TALK ABOUT THE ENERGY IZATION
ISSUES WE'RE HAVING IN
PRESIDENT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO
SEPARATE. THE TWO PRESIDENT
ISN'T A CAPACITY ISSUE. IT'S
MORE OF AN ENERGY IZATION ISSUE.
HUMBLE, DEFINITELY. WE ARE. WE
KNOW WE HAVE CAPACITY ISSUES
THAT WERE IN THE PROCESS OF
RESOLVING AND I DONT SUPERVISOR
WANTED TO CHIME IN BASICALLY
VERY QUICKLY, MR TANG AND I
ALREADY. JUMP ON WHAT? UM
CERTAINLY MY, PATTERSON SAID. WE
HAVE GREAT RELATIONSHIPS WITH
THEIR LOCAL PEOPLE. THAT'S THEIR
JOB. THEY TALKED TO US. THEY
MEET WITH THIS. THEY TELL US
EVERYTHING. THEY WORK WITH THIS
VERY WELL. WE ACTUALLY HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE PS PS HAS
STARTED FOUR YEARS AGO, WHERE
YOU HAD A PRESIDENT, NEW
PRESIDENT OF OPERATIONS AND I
WROTE HIM A VERY STERN LETTER
THAT WE WERE STORING ALL YOUR
NUCLEAR WASTE FROM YOUR CLOSED
NUCLEAR PLANT. GIVE US SOME
RESPECT. HE ACTUALLY FLEW UP.
BECAUSE WE BUILT THE NEW POWER
PLANT AND WE WERE ABLE TO
ISLAND. WE HAVEN'T HAD TO SUFFER
A PS PS SINCE BECAUSE WE WERE
SUFFERING P S. P S S THAT WERE
HAPPENING OVER IN TO HEMA.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR POWER
LINE WAS COMING FROM 135 MILES
AWAY, AND WE WERE BEING SHUT
DOWN FOR FOUR OR FIVE DAYS. SO
WE DID GET RESPONSE IN. BUT
YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT ON THE
LOCAL LEVEL. WE'RE HEARING ALL
THE RIGHT STUFF. PROBLEMS OR
PROBLEMS AND WE NEED THEM SOLVED
AND I AND BUT THE THING IS, I
THINK WHAT'S FRUSTRATING. THESE
AREN'T NEW PROBLEMS, HE SAYS. IT
TAKES LONGER THAN SIX MONTHS.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN
GOING ON. I'VE BEEN IN 12 YEARS,
AND IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR 12
YEARS. SO HOPEFULLY WE.
SOMETHING COMES FROM IT. MR
TINGLE. FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
THINK YOU'RE GOING BACK TO THE
ENERGY COMMISSION AGAIN? THIS IS
A MUCH BIGGER ISSUE AND AGAIN,
IT'S THIS IS NOT. I JUST WANT TO
PUSH BACK ON THE PUC, SAYING
THAT IT'S A COMMUNICATION
PROBLEM. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE
IT'S A COMMUNICATION PROBLEMS.
MAYBE SOMETHING GOT SOME LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS ARE HAVING THAT
PARTICULAR ISSUE TO ME. THIS IS
A ENERGY STRATEGY PROBLEM.
THERE'S A THERE SEEMS LIKE
THERE'S A LACK OF, UH, PLANNING
, AND THERE'S A LACK OF
FORESIGHT, AND THAT'S SORT OF
WHAT WE SAW WHEN WE GOT
PRESENTED WITH A NUMBER OF
OPTIONS THAT WERE NOT IDEAL LAST
FALL, SO THAT'S WHY I GUESS
MAYBE THE ENERGY COMMISSION CAN
DO. SO. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING A
BETTER JOB. HAVEN'T HAVING A
PLAN, BUT THEN HAVING THIS
HAVING A PLAN THAT WE CAN
EXECUTE BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER
REASON, EVEN IF WE DO HAVE A
PLAN WHERE WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS
GETTING GETTING POWER TO THEIR
CUSTOMERS. SO SOME OF THE MEMBER
KING THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
UM IN MY COMMENTS, I NOTED THAT,
UH WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I GO BACK
TO THE OVERSIGHT HEARING WHERE I
FEEL LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT IT ALL
IN. WE TAKE ALL SORTS OF
SOLUTIONS TO BRING US TO THE
RIGHT, UM, STAGE. UM I DID WANT
TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE LOOKING
AT AND WE ARE BUILDING OUT
BETWEEN C C AND C P U. C. A
STRUCTURE BY WHICH WE CAN HAVE
MORE AUTOMATED CONTROL OF LOADS
SO THAT, UM, WE CAN HELP
MITIGATE SOME OF THE EXPANSION
THAT IS NEEDED IN THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM BY SMARTLY
APPLYING SMARTLY TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF THE LOADS THAT ARE
OUT THERE AND, AS THOSE LOADS
GROW, BE ABLE TO CAN CONTROL
THEM AND OPERATE THEM
APPROPRIATELY. AND THAT WILL BE
SOME AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE
FROM THE IT'S A SET UP A
STRATEGY FROM THE LOAD
MANAGEMENT STANDARDS AND CAL
FUSE, SETTING UP MIDAS AND OTHER
AND SMART APPLIANCES WILL BE THE
OTHER ASPECT, SO CREATING THAT
ECOSYSTEM IS IMPORTANT. THERE
ARE OTHER TECHNOLOGY STRATEGIES
THAT I THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED
THROUGH THE CLEAN ENERGY
RELIABILITY INVESTMENT PLAN. UM
SUCH AS TRYING SOME ADDITIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES WHERE AS WE'RE
BUILDING OUT, CHARGING, BE ABLE
TO BUILD OUT THOSE CHARGERS WITH
ENERGY STORAGE TO HELP REDUCE
LOAD, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS THAT
CAN BE MADE TO HELP MITIGATE
THOSE LOADS. THAT THE SOURCE, UM
I REALIZED THAT THAT DOESN'T
NECESSARILY ADDRESS THE SPEED
WITH WHICH ENERGY IZATION OR
INTERCONNECTION IS HAPPENING,
BUT I THINK IT'S A PART OF OUR
OVERALL STATE STRATEGY, I THINK
IS CRITICAL TO ENSURING THAT WE
HAVE A FUTURE OR OPERATING THE
SYSTEM MORE EFFICIENTLY. NO I
THINK I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF
SENSE RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE CAN
BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH OUR
ENERGY USAGE, YOU NEED THAT
ENERGY USAGE CAN BE UM, USED BY
MORE PEOPLE. THAT STILL DOESN'T
GET US TO WHY WE'RE HAVING SUCH
AN ISSUE AROUND ENERGY STATIONS.
I THINK THE PGN REPRESENTATIVE
WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT. IS IT
ON ENERGY STATION OR THE
CAPACITY ISSUES? IMAGES ATION,
RIGHT, OKAY. I CAN HAVE MY
COLLEAGUE, MATT. UM ANSWER THOSE
QUESTIONS. HE'S WORKING ON
ENERGY IZATION. I'M HAVING TO
ANSWER THE QUESTION. DIDN'T
FOLLOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS AT
THIS POINT AFTER THE RESPONSE.
UM WHY ARE YOU HAVING SUCH
DIFFICULTY ENERGIZING? LET ME
SAY THAT. IS THAT THE QUESTION?
I GUESS IT LOOKS LOOK AT THE
COMMITTEE. YEAH, THAT'S SIMPLE
ENOUGH, SIMPLE ENOUGH, BUT
INCREDIBLY COMPLEX TO ANSWER. UH
LET ME SAY WHAT I CAN MAYBE MORE
DIRECTLY ANSWER AND SIMPLER
RESPONSE WOULD BE TO THE THINGS
THAT ARE GOING ON IN FRESNO. AND
SO WE DID. AH MAKE A REAL
CONSERVATIVE AT THEIR IN Q FOUR
OF LAST YEAR, WORKING WITH THE
COLLEGE I THINK THAT THE COLLEGE
WE HAD SHARED ISSUES ON BOTH
SIDES OF THE FANS. BUT WHAT IT
TOOK WAS SITTING DOWN AND HAVING
A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AS THE
GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, UM, WE ARE
MEETING WITH, LIKE I HAVE A
MEETING WITH THE MAYOR ON
TUESDAY TO TRY AND COORDINATE.
AND SET OBJECTIVES SPECIFIC FOR
FRESNO AND MAKE COMMITMENTS THAT
WILL FOLLOW THROUGH ON AND I
GUESS WHAT YOU KNOW AGAIN. I
DON'T WANT TO. TAKE IT AWAY FROM
MY COLLEAGUE FROM PRESIDENT. LET
HIM FOLLOW UP. BUT I GUESS JUST
TO USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. UM
ONCE YOU HAVE THESE
CONVERSATIONS, WHAT IS STOPPING
THE INTERCONNECTION? FROM
HAPPENING. YES. SO, UH, I THINK
IT ACTUALLY WAS IN SOME OF OUR
COMMENTS. WE'VE SHARED IT IN
PUBLIC STATEMENTS, AND SO, UH,
WE HAVE OVER 30,000 APPLICATIONS
AND CUSTOMERS IN Q AT THE MOMENT
, UM, OVER 63 OF ALL, NOT OVER,
BUT 63% OF THOSE APPLICATIONS
WILL FALL OUT AT SOME POINT IN
TIME IN OUR PROCESS, AND SO WE
DO HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT COME
CLOG UP THE WORKS AND THEN FALL
OUT AND THEN SO I'VE YOU KNOW,
SAW THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT
WERE PROVIDED TO THE COMMITTEE,
RIGHT? AND SO SOME OF THOSE
FOLKS ARE FALLING OUT BECAUSE OF
THE TIME LINES ARE TOO LONG.
OTHERS ARE JUST COMING LOOKING
AND BACKING OUT. SO THAT CREATES
A VERY LARGE QUÊ THAT PREVENTS
US FROM FROM WORKING QUICKLY
THROUGH THE ONES THAT ARE
ACTUALLY REAL AND ACTUALLY
NEEDING TO BE DONE, AND SO WHAT
WE'RE DOING ABOUT IT IS
IMPLEMENTING A LEAN OPERATING
MODEL THAT HAS BEEN UNDERWAY NOW
FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS OF SEEING
GREAT RESULTS, TIMELINES ARE
SHRINKING COMMITMENTS TO
CUSTOMERS ARE ARE UP QUITE A BIT
FROM FROM WHERE THEY WERE WHEN
WE STARTED, AND SO WE'VE WE'VE
PUT SOME REAL MEANINGFUL ME FROM
THE ENTERPRISE BEHIND,
CORRECTING CORRECTING AN ISSUE
THAT IS REALLY IS AND I DON'T
DISPUTE IT. IT'S BEEN NOT GONE
GOING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, SO
THAT THE 30,000 FOLKS IN THE
QUEUE IS THAT A STAFFING ISSUE
IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
STAFF PROCESSES I THE UTILITY
HAS EVERY INCENTIVE. TO DO THIS
STUDY. THE INCENTIVES ARE
ALIGNED BECAUSE YOU GET PAID FOR
YOUR INTERCONNECTION. YOU GET
PAID TO DO THE CAPITAL WORK, SO
I DON'T THINK IT'S A
MISALIGNMENT OF FINANCIAL
INCENTIVES IS THAT THAT YOU
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO
PROCESS? NO I DO THINK THAT IT'S
NOT NECESSARILY A MISALIGNMENT
WITH FINANCIAL INCENTIVES, BUT I
REFER BACK TO THE COMMENTS OF MY
COLLEAGUE THERE, SO WE HAVE BEEN
OVERSPENDING. OUR GENERAL RATE
CASE ASKS. AH IT WAS SPENT
AROUND A BILLION DOLLARS EVERY
YEAR FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN
DOING THIS WORK, AND SO WE'RE
MOVING AT ABOUT THE SPEED THAT
WE CAN WITH THAT THE COMPANY CAN
SUPPORT IN ANY GIVEN ANNUAL
YEAR. I'M SORRY. WHAT IS THAT?
WHAT DOES THAT MOST WHEN YOU'RE
SPENDING OVER YOUR RAPE CASE?
YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE YOU'RE
SPENDING MORE THAN YOU HAD
PLANNED OR YES. SO WE REQUEST.
UH WE GET VOLUME PROJECTIONS
THAT GIVE US A SIGNAL AS TO HOW
MUCH WORK SHOULD WE PLAN FOR IN
ANY RED CASE CYCLE, WE WORK WITH
THE COMMISSION TO SECURE THAT
FUNDING IN THAT RAPE CASE CYCLE
, AND THEN WHEN THOSE VOLUME
PROJECTIONS PROVE NOT TO BE
CORRECT, AND LET'S SAY AGAIN
REFER TO MY COLLEAGUE'S COMMENTS
IS THAT LOW GROWTH HAS BEEN FLAT
SINCE 2018 OR, YOU KNOW IT WAS
FLAT UP TO 2018 AND IS NOW
GROWING. AT A RATE THAT WE
HAVEN'T SEEN FOR DECADES. AND SO
THOSE PROJECTIONS WERE OFF AND
THEN BACKLOGS FOR, UM AND THAT'S
THAT'S HOW WE'RE WHERE WE ARE
RIGHT NOW. BUT BUT NOW THAT
YOU'VE SEEN THE INCREASE WHAT
ARE YOU DOING? WELL LIKE LIKE I
WAS JUST HIRING MORE PEOPLE, ARE
YOU BRING IT ON MORE RESOURCES.
ARE YOU GOING BACK TO THE PUC
SAYING, HEY, WE ACTUALLY NEED AH
, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY NEED
MORE WELL, WHATEVER MORE
FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO DO THIS
LIKE, I GUESS WHAT'S WHAT'S
HAPPENING, SO I UNDERSTAND.
BECAUSE WE'RE THAT HAPPENS IN
BUDGET ALL THE TIME. I MEAN,
WE'RE WE HAVE CERTAIN
PRODUCTIONS. WE ALWAYS KNOW THE
PROJECTIONS ARE NOT GOING TO BE
EXACT. BUT YOU MAKE ADJUSTMENTS
ALONG THE WAY. SO WHAT
ADJUSTMENTS ARE YOU MAKING? ALL
OF THE ABOVE WHAT YOU SAY DID SO
HIRING MORE PEOPLE WORKING WITH
THE COMMISSION? FILING ADVICE
LETTERS? UH IMPROVING OUR
PROCESSES, ELIMINATING WASTE AND
REWORK. AND SO ALL OF THOSE
THINGS ARE SPEEDING US UP,
ADDING RESOURCES TRYING TO
SECURE FUNDING, SO I GAVE EVERY
TOOL POSSIBLE. WHEN DO YOU
ANTICIPATE GETTING THROUGH THE
BACKLOG, THEN? I WILL RESOLVE
OUR DESIGN BACKLOG BY THE END OF
THIS YEAR HAS OUR INTENTION AND
THEN THE CONSTRUCTION BACKLOG
WILL RESOLVE IN 2024 IS WHAT
WE'RE COMMUNICATING AND WORKING
WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS BASED ON
YOUR PROJECTIONS. YOU'RE
ASSUMING THAT BY 2024 THE ISSUES
THAT. YOU KNOW, MY COLLEAGUE
FROM PRESENT KNOWS DESCRIBING
THE SUPERVISOR FROM HUMBOLDT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
SURPRISES GOT DIFFERENT ISSUES,
BUT BUT MY COLLEAGUE FROM
PRESIDENTS, JUST DESCRIBING WILL
NO LONGER IN 2025. IF ALL THINGS
GO AS PLANNED, YOU WOULD
ANTICIPATE THAT THOSE THOSE
ITEMS WILL NO LONGER BE AN ISSUE
. YEAH LET ME UH, LET ME JUST RE
SAY IT IS THAT WHAT WE'RE AIMING
FOR IS THE PRIMARY UH, CONCERN
OR PAIN POINT THAT OUR CUSTOMERS
FEEL THAT WE TAKE TOO LONG FOR
ENERGIES. ATIONS AH, AND SO YES
, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT
BY THE END OF 2024, WE EXPECT
THAT TO BE RESOLVED SO FAR. SO
IF I YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD MANY
READING OF FEMININE AREA LIKE
SAN FRANCISCO. THERE'S NOT A
CAPACITY ISSUE, AT LEAST THAT WE
FORESEE RIGHT NOW. THERE THERE
SHOULD NOT BE AN ENERGY IZATION
ISSUE, BUT BY THAT YEAH, INTENT
IS TO MEET MOST OF OUR
CUSTOMERS. TIMELINES BEGIN BY
THE END OF 2024. IS THERE
ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO? FROM
OUR POINT OF VIEW? TO ASSIST YOU
TO EVERYBODY TO KIND OF SPEED
THAT TO SPEED THAT UP. YEAH AND
WHAT? UM LET ME SAY, I'M NOT
PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT HERE
AT THE MIC, BUT I THINK OUR
TEAMS CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON
THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. I KNOW YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP
TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS HERE. I
WANTED. I JUST WANT TO ASK THE
FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION. GIVEN OUR
PLANS AND THE GROWTH AND THE
CONSTRUCT. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT AN AIRPORT. THAT IS GOING
TO HAVE MAJOR NEW DEMANDS
ELECTRICITY. WE BROKE GROUND.
IT'S GOING TO END UP WE THINK
CONSTRUCTED AND FLYING AIRPLANES
IN AND OUT BY YOU KNOW BY 2025.
SO I MEAN, SO HERE. I MEAN, THIS
IS BASICALLY THE FUNDAMENTAL
QUESTION. PG AND E HAVE ENOUGH
ELECTRICITY. ENERGIZE THE GROWTH
OF FRESNO, CALIFORNIA. I WOULD
SAY THAT WE ARE FORECASTING. THE
GROWTH IN FRESNO AND ALL OF OUR
COMMUNITIES AND IF WE ARE
SHOWING A NEED, AND THAT
INCLUDES THE FRESNO AIRPORT, I
DO LIVE IN FRESNO. I AGREE WITH
YOU. THERE IS GROWTH GOING ON
EVERYWHERE IN FRESNO, AND I'M
FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WHAT'S
HAPPENING THERE JUST BECAUSE I
DO LIVE THERE. UM BUT AT THIS
POINT, I AM NOT AWARE THAT WE
HAVE A CAPACITY ISSUE TO
ENERGIZE THE AIRPORT. BUT I WILL
BE SURE TO CHECK AND I CAN GET
BACK. UM DO OUR STAFF HERE IN
SACRAMENTO WHO CAN GET BACK WITH
YOU? TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S
NOT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. I AM
NOT AWARE OF AN ISSUE WITH THE
FRESNO A REPORT AT THIS TIME
AGAIN. UH, I THINK THAT THE
COMMUNITY COLLEGES WOULD HAVE
SAID THE SAME THING. AND YET
THEY WERE DELAYED. SO IT'S ONE
THING TO SAY. ON PAPER. IT LOOKS
LIKE THIS. IT'S ANOTHER THING TO
SAY WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY
GET THE ELECTRICITY AND IT IT
GETS TURNED ON. LOOK I JUST WANT
TO PUT A MARKER DOWN THE FRESNO,
CALIFORNIA IN MY ESTIMATION. HAS
HAS HAS OFTENTIMES BEEN JUST
SORT OF KIND OF FLOWN OVER.
THERE ARE THE REGIONS IN THE
STATE THAT HAVE BEEN TREATED
LIKE THIS. RIGHT? BUT THERE'S
SOME THINGS GOING ON AND YOU
LIVE IN THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT THE
ZOO IS, LIKE? YOU KNOW WHAT?
THAT AIRPORT IS LIKE YOU YOU I
MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST FRESNO. YOU
LOOK AT YOU GO ACROSS THE SAN
JOAQUIN RIVER AND IN THE
SOUTHERN MADEIRA SANGER, SELMA
KINGSBURG. ALL THESE AREAS ARE
AND OUR TRANSPORTATION. WE'RE
YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING
HIGHWAYS, ROADS, ALL OF THOSE
KINDS OF THINGS RIGHT? AND SO I
IT IT HAS BEEN IT'S BEEN VERY,
VERY FRUSTRATING AND LOOK, I GET
THE BRUNT OF IT TO BEING THE
FORMER MAYOR. RIGHT. AND I KNOW
YOU'RE COLLEAGUE HERE IS GOING
TO MEET WITH MAYOR DYER. UM MY
GUESS IS YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THE
SAME THING BECAUSE I TALKED TO
JERRY AT THE AIRPORT
GROUNDBREAKING. AND THERE ARE
STILL SOME CONCERNS THERE, SO
IT'S AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY IT'S
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN MADE. WE'VE
HAD PROMISES MADE THAT HAVEN'T
BEEN KEPT. WE'VE HAD DATES THAT
HAVE BEEN GIVEN THAT HAVEN'T
BEEN KEPT. THAT'S ONE THING FOR
YOU TO BE TALKING TO THE PEOPLE
IN FRESNO ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE
DOING WITH RESPECT TO GROWTH AND
GOVERNMENT AND ALL THOSE KINDS
OF THINGS RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S
ALL WELL AND GOOD. THIS SHOULD
NOT BE A BIG SURPRISE THAT
FRESNO HAS IN THE PIPELINE.
SUBSTANTIAL AND SIGNIFICANT
ELECTRICITY NEEDS. THOSE HAVE
BEEN ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE
PAPER. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T YOU
KNOW, LISTEN TO K. M J, RIGHT? I
MEAN, WATCH YOUR TV STATIONS PAY
ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S A REMARKABLE SET OF
CIRCUMSTANCES AND WE'RE PROUD OF
ALL THAT. BUT THIS BUT THIS
SLOWDOWN IN TURNING ON THE
JUICE. IS REALLY HAVING FOLKS
JUST SAY. WE'RE TRYING HARD, BUT
THE FUNDAMENTALS. JUST DON'T
SEEM TO BE THERE. SO I'M GONNA
I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FORWARD TO,
UH HAVING COMMUNICATIONS? UM
BECAUSE OF MY VICE CHAIRMANSHIP
OF THIS COMMITTEE. I THINK I'D
LIKE TO HAVE SOME DEGREE OF
PARTICIPATION IN SOME OF THE
DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU MIGHT BE
HAVING AT THE CITY LEVEL. AND UH
, YOU KNOW, FOR EIGHT YEARS I
WAS THE MAYOR AND I SOMETIMES
IT'S THE MAYOR HATS HARD TO TAKE
OFF WHEN YOU'RE NO UNDERSTOOD.
WE'RE LOOK AND LOOK, I
UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ISSUES AND
UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE GOT
PLANNING AND YOU UNDERSTAND
YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE KINDS OF
THINGS. BUT THE FACT REMAINS
THAT A SIGNIFICANT REGION IN
CALIFORNIA HAS, UH, HUGE, UH,
PROGRAMS THAT HAVE THAT ARE ARE
SUCCESSFUL. THEY'RE WORKING OUT.
WELL, THERE'S JOINT PLANNING
GOING ACROSS THESE COMMUNITIES,
THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WORKED
WELL TOGETHER ALL OF THAT. AND
THE FUNDAMENTAL BOTTOM LINE HERE
IS WE CAN'T GET THE
FUNDAMENTALS. SOME OF THAT IS
WATER BY THE WAY, SOME OF THAT
IS ELECTRICITY. AND WHEN
ELECTRICITY AND WATER BECOMES
SCARCE AND ARE NOT READILY
AVAILABLE. YOU WONDER WHAT
WHAT'S WHAT'S GONE WRONG HERE.
DOCTOR WOULD THANK. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. ESPECIALLY FOR
ALLOWING ME TO SIT ON THIS
COMMITTEE AGAIN TODAY SINCE I'M
NOT A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM SO I GUESS I'M FIRST. KIND OF
STATEMENT. QUESTIONS ARE GOING
TO BE FOR PG AND E. UM KIND OF A
PREAMBLE TO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW,
THIS YEAR THEY'VE BEEN OVER 10
BILLS THAT WERE INTRODUCED IN
THE LEGISLATURE RELATED TO
INTERNET INTERCONNECTION AND
ENERGY STATION. THERE'S ONLY
THREE LEFT NOW. SO KUDOS TO THE
INDUSTRY FOR KILLING OFF THE
OTHER SEVEN, BUT THERE ARE THREE
IMPORTANT BILLS LEFT HERE AND WE
PUT FORWARD NUMEROUS PROPOSALS
TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET TO
RESOLUTION HERE, ALL OF WHICH
HAVE BEEN OPPOSED BY THE I. O U.
S. UM AND TO MY DISAPPOINTMENT,
IT SEEMS THAT THE ONLY SOLUTION
THAT SEEMS TO BE ON THE TABLE IS
MORE MONEY. WHICH MEANS THAT
THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT
RATEPAYERS AT A TIME WHEN
ECONOMICS IN THE STATE AND
PEOPLE ARE REALLY TIRED OF
PAYING MORE AND MORE FOR THE
RATE. NOW I HEAR ALSO WHAT WE
HAD TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON
WILDFIRE AGREED. UNDERSTOOD UM,
SOME OF THAT PROBABLY SHOULD
HAVE BEEN SPENT A LONG TIME AGO.
MAYBE MAYBE THOSE FIRES WOULDN'T
HAVE HAPPENED. AND THERE IS AN
OBLIGATION TO DO THAT. THE
LEGISLATURE MADE SURE OF THAT,
UM, BACK WITH SP 901 AND SOME
OTHER BILLS AND HERE TO GET THAT
FOR THAT TO GET DONE. BUT THE I
O U ALSO HAS AN OBLIGATION TO
SERVE PEOPLE. YOU HAVE AN
OBLIGATION TO DO BOTH. NOT JUST
ONE. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S THE
PROBLEM, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S
THE STRUGGLE HERE. SO I'M
HEARING. I'M HEARING THAT WE'VE
GOTTA PLANNING ISSUE AND THAT
THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE RESOLVED
AND A BUILDING ISSUE THAT'S
GOING TO BE OUT. YOU KNOW, BY
THE END OF 24. WE SHOULD I GUESS
THE WAY I TOOK THAT WAS GOING TO
BE CAUGHT UP. MAYBE I'M MAYBE IF
I TOOK THAT WRONG, I APOLOGIZE,
BUT BUT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE MEETING
THE DEADLINES, THE TIMELINES 10%
OF THE TIME. SO ARE YOU TELLING
ME THAT BY THE END OF 24, YOU'RE
GOING TO BE MEETING THESE
TIMELINES 100% OF THE TIME. 80%
OF THE TIME. HE'S GOT A LONG
WAYS TO GO HERE. AND I KIND OF
LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WHAT? WHAT IS
WHAT DO WE WHAT DO ARE WHAT ARE
PEOPLE IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY? WHAT
ARE PEOPLE IN FRESNO? WHAT IS
THE EXPECTATION? WHEN YOU SAY
THAT WE'RE GONNA PLANNING
BACKLOGS CAN BE DONE. THE
BUILDING BACKLOGS CAN BE DONE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW,
OPERATIONALLY GOING FORWARD.
YEAH THANK YOU. SOME LEMON, UM,
MEANS 80. SO WHAT? WE'RE
TARGETING MEETING CUSTOMER
TIMELINES FOR WHATEVER THEY
REQUESTED TO BE. THAT'S GOING TO
REQUIRE US CUTTING OUR TIMELINES
MORE THAN 50% IN ORDER TO DO
THAT, AND I WOULD EXTEND THE
INVITE TO YOU OR TO ANY OF THE
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HERE
TO, UH WE CAN COME AND TOUR AND
SHOW YOU THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND
EFFORT THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN
HERE, TOO. TO AH, MR PATTERSON'S
COMMENTS LIKE THE PROMISES THAT
WE'VE MADE IN THE PAST. LIKE SO,
I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THAT
WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO FULFILL
THEM FOR MANY TIMES, BUT IN
MEETING WITH MANY, UH DEVELOPERS
AND WORKING WITH THE CBI, A ONE
OF THE ONE OF THE QUOTES THAT I
KEEP GOING BACK TO IS THAT
SOMETHING IS DIFFERENT THIS TIME
IS FROM A BUILDER AND THAT WE DO
INTEND TO MEET THIS COMMITMENT.
AH AND IN ITS 80% BY THE END OF
NEXT YEAR. WELL YOU KNOW, PART
OF THE BUILDING I'M PROPOSING IS
ACTUALLY TIMELINES TO TRY TO
KEEP YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE ALL
THE UTILITIES TO THE FEATS OF
THE FIRE TO ACTUALLY DELIVER ON
THAT, BUT WHAT I'M GETTING IS
OPPOSITION TO THAT. UM I'M GOING
TO GET YOUR WORD THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO DO IT. BUT HISTORICALLY
, THAT'S NOT BEEN HAPPENING SO
YOU KNOW? IT'S FRESH, AND THAT'S
THE FRUSTRATION. THAT'S THAT'S
THE THAT'S THE FRUSTRATION THAT
I'M I'M HAVING, UM, OBVIOUSLY
THERE ARE PROBLEMS. THE PROBLEMS
IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STATE
ARE DIFFERENT. I UNDERSTAND
THAT, UM I WAS IN A AT A
HOMELESS SHELTER. AH! IT'S ALSO
MORE IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.
THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN
THAT ON FRIDAY. UM AND TOOK A
TOUR AND TALK TO PEOPLE THERE
AND MET WITH THE BUILDING
SUPERINTENDENT ON SOME ADJACENT
APARTMENTS, AND, UM HE WAS SUPER
EXCITED BECAUSE OF 64 UNITS GOT
ENERGIZED. HE DIDN'T KNOW ME
FROM ADAM AND I DIDN'T SAY
ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT I'VE BEEN
WORKING ON. BUT HE SAID, WE ARE
SO HAPPY THAT WE GOT ENERGIZED
BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, A LOT
OF PEOPLE IN OUR POSITIONS RIGHT
NOW ARE HAVING A REALLY HARD
TIME HAVING TO WAIT YEARS TO GET
THEIR PROJECTS ENERGIZED, WHICH
MEANS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T GET INTO
THEIR HOMES. THAT'S THE
FRUSTRATION HERE. PEOPLE CAN'T
GET INTO THEIR HOMES BECAUSE OF
THIS, AND, UM. THAT'S WHY WE'RE
THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH
INTEREST HERE, AND THAT'S WHY
WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING
THERE. TO COMPEL. AND MAKE SURE
THAT THESE TIMELINES ACTUALLY
HAPPENED. AND, UM RIGHT NOW,
JUST YOUR WORD AS AN INDUSTRY.
ISN'T ENOUGH. IT'S NOT ENOUGH OR
HE WOULDN'T BE HERE HAVING THESE
DISCUSSIONS AND THIS JUST ISN'T
AN ISSUE FOR MY DISTRICT. I'M
HEARING OTHER OTHER AREAS OF THE
STATE ARE STRUGGLING. I HEARD
FROM MUSHIKIWABO AT THE AT THE
OVERSIGHT HEARING. SHE'S GOT
ISSUES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
STATE. NOW MAYBE THEY'RE MORE
ACUTE IN IN IN MY AREA, BUT
THERE ARE ISSUES THAT SO THE I O
USER IN OPPOSITION, ALL IN
OPPOSITION TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING
TO DO HERE, AND IT IS. IT IS
FRUSTRATING, AND I APPRECIATE
THAT, AND WE'VE HAD
CONVERSATIONS AND I APPRECIATE
WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I REALLY DO.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW HOW. UNDERSTAND
WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM WHERE
WE'RE ACTING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS
WHO ARE SAYING WE CAN'T GET THE
POWER TURNED ON? WE'RE HAVING TO
WAIT YEARS. AND THAT'S WHERE
THAT'S WHERE THE FRUSTRATION IS
COMING FROM. SO. IS THE ONLY
SOLUTION OF THIS CRISIS MORE
MONEY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M
HEARING. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING
HERE IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO
THIS CRISIS. MORE MONEY. I HEARD
THAT THE GRC IS GOING TO BE
APPROVED THIS SUMMER. SO I HEARD
BEEN HERE FOR MONTHS THAT WE
NEED THE GRC BECAUSE WE NEED THE
MONEY. THE MONEY IS THERE. DOES
THAT MEAN THAT THIS SOLUTION?
THIS ALL GOES AWAY? IS THAT IS
THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US? SO
I THINK, UH, THANK YOU FOR
SENDING ME GOES BACK TO WHAT MAC
SAID RIGHT? WE'RE IMPROVING OUR
ENERGY IZATION TIMELINES, YOU
KNOW. BY 50% BY THE END OF THIS
YEAR AND GETTING CUSTOMER ON
TIME TIMELINES DOWN TO 15 NO BY
50% I BELIEVE THIS YEAR BUT BY
NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO BE
NEEDING CUSTOMERS TIMELINES BY
80% OF THE TIME. THAT'S OUR GOAL
BY THE END OF THE YEAR, SO THE
ENERGY IZATION IS ONE ASPECT.
THE CAPACITY ISSUES ARE THE
OTHER ASPECT, RIGHT? AND IN
HUMBOLDT IN SOUTHERN HUMBLE
COUNTY. WE HAVE HAD THOSE ISSUES
, BUT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF
PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY THERE
IN CONSTRUCTION TODAY. THAT IT'S
WILL BE COMING ONLINE. ONE MAJOR
ONE WILL BE COMING ONLINE IN
2024 NEW SUBSTATION, TRANSFORMER
, A REAL DEAL SUBSTATION THAT'S
GOING TO INCREASE CAPACITY. TO
BE ABLE TO SERVE THE LOADS THAT
ARE WAITING, PLUS THE LOADS THAT
MAY BE COMING IN THE FUTURE,
RIGHT. IT'S A BIG UPGRADE THAT
WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, AND THE
TUNE OF $25 MILLION WITH THE
CASE SO ALSO APPROVED IN THIS
YEAR'S PLAN. THE RE CONDUCTOR OF
THE BRIDGEVILLE GARBERVILLE LINE
ON THE TRANSMISSION, RIGHT?
WE'RE GONNA BE UNDERTAKING THAT
AS WELL AND TWO PHASES PHASE ONE
SO WE CAN GET MORE CUSTOMERS
QUICKLY BY 2027 TO ADD THE
VOLTAGE SUPPORT SO WE CAN BRING
IN MORE LOAD. AND THE SECOND
PHASE OF THE RE CONDUCTOR
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO
TAKE A LONGER TIME. IT'S GOING
TO NEED A NEW RIGHT AWAY. WE'RE
GONNA HAVE TO REBUILD THE LINE.
IT'S THROUGH A HEAVILY FORESTED
AREA, RIGHT. WE KNOW THAT'S
GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT
LONGER, BUT WE'RE DIVIDING THAT
UP INTO TWO PHASES AND DOING
WHAT WE CAN UP FRONT ON A
SHORTER TIMELINE TO MAKE SURE WE
CAN GET THE LOADS THAT MIGHT BE
WAITING OR MIGHT BE COMING
ONLINE FASTER. SO THOSE ARE
PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY
UNDERWAY. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT
AN INNOVATIVE SOLUTION ON THE 50
MILE CIRCUIT WHERE WE'VE GOT
SOME CUSTOMERS WAITING. WE FOUND
A MICRO GOOD SOLUTION. WE'RE
GOING TO BE WORKING ON
INSTALLING THAT TESTING IT AND
SEEING IF WE CAN ALLOW THE
CUSTOMERS THAT ARE WAITING TO
COME ONLINE. AH SO THAT'S THAT'S
IN THE WORKS AS WELL. SO WE'VE
GOT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN THAT
AREA THAT ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING
NOW IT'S JUST THAT THE
COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECTS ARE
GOING TO TAKE. TIME THAT'S
THAT'S THAT'S FOR THE CAPACITY
RIGHT? THE ENERGIZE ATION IS
DIFFERENT BUT THE CAPACITY
UPGRADES. UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT MAJOR UPGRADES, LIKE
BUILDING TRANSMISSION OR
UPGRADING SUBSTATIONS THOSE
TIMELINES ARE LONGER. SO OKAY
AND I APPRECIATE YOU CAN
APPRECIATE THAT. THESE ARE
COMPLICATED, COMPLICATED
PROJECTS. UM. AND I GUESS GOING
BACK TO MR TING, YOU KNOW? HIS
QUESTION WAS IS THERE OTHER
THINGS THAT WE CAN BE DOING AS A
LEGISLATURE TO MAKE THIS EASIER
? AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
MONEY? I'M TALKING ABOUT OTHER
THINGS. SO I MEAN, I YOU KNOW, I
SPENT A LONG TIME YESTERDAY OR
LAST WEEK TALKING TO THE DURING
OUR OVERSIGHT HERE, AND I DON'T
NEED TO RELIVE THAT. I'M KIND OF
RELIEVED THAT IN MY MIND EVERY
DAY, BUT, UM, BUT BUT YOU KNOW
WHAT I HEAR WHEN I'M KIND OF
HERE IS IT WERE THE PCS KIND OF
WAITING FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO
PROVIDE SOLUTIONS HERE. I AM
WAITING. WE'RE WAITING FOR THE
PUC TO OVERRIDE SOLUTIONS. NOT
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S JUST THE
OPPOSITE. I MAYBE. MAYBE THAT'S
JUST MY FEELING. BUT IT'S LIKE I
DON'T I DON'T SENSE THIS
COLLABORATION REALLY? YOU KNOW,
I UNDERSTAND IT'S I DON'T SENSE
ANY URGENCY. I GUESS THAT'S
REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET A
SENSE. EMERGENCY TALK ABOUT
THESE PROCESSES AND THESE TEAMS
AND THESE THINGS THAT GO
TOGETHER. I JUST DON'T SENSE A
LOT OF URGENCY. MEANWHILE YOU'VE
GOT PEOPLE WAITING FOR POWER.
YOU GOT BUILDERS TRYING TO GET
THERE. YOU KNOW THAT THE DEMANDS
OF THEIR WILL SERVE LETTER
FULFILLED. IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL
LIKE A LOT OF URGENCY HERE AND
THE FOLKS IN OUR DISTRICT FEEL
FEEL THE URGENCY AND SO HELP ME
UNDERSTAND? HOW LONG ARE THESE
PLANNING THINGS GONNA TAKE? AND
WHEN ARE WE GONNA HAVE SOME REAL
RESULTS? THANKS FOR THAT
QUESTION, SO I CAN RESPOND FOR A
CPUC. BUT I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE
THAT SEX IS ALSO WORKING ON THIS
ISSUE ALONG WITH US AND SO I CAN
GIVE MY COLLEAGUE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK AS WELL. I DEFINITELY
SAY THAT THERE'S A VERY LARGE
SENSE OF URGENCY. WE'VE ALREADY
HAD OVER A DOZEN MEETINGS WITH
OUR STAFF WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
IN ORDER TO GET SOME OF THEIR
FEEDBACK IN ORDER TO FRAME OUT
THE REST OF THE PROCEEDING. AND
SO WE'RE ARE. WE WERE ABLE TO
USE THAT IN ORDER TO COME UP
WITH A STRUCTURE FOR WHAT WE'RE
GOING TO BE TACKLING THIS YEAR.
UM OUR SUPERVISOR WAS RESPECT.
LAST YEAR, WE HAD HEARINGS. THIS
COMMITTEE HAD A HEARING IN
AUGUST AROUND THE CLIMATE
PRACTICE AROUND THE EXTENSION OF
DIABLO, AND AT THAT TIME, IT WAS
MADE REALLY CLEAR THAT WE HAD
CHALLENGES WITH INTERCONNECTION
AND TRANSMISSION. THAT'S ALMOST
A YEAR AGO, AND NOW WE'RE JUST
DOING MEETINGS. I CAN SPEAK TO
THAT. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A
DIFFERENT ISSUE. THOSE MEETINGS
WERE IN RELATION TO GENERATOR
INTERCONNECTION AND TRANSMISSION
. UM THE GENERATOR
INTERCONNECTION PROCESS IS ONE
THAT IS MANAGED BY THE
CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT SYSTEM
OPERATOR AND IS SPEAKING TO THE
INTERCONNECTION OF GENERATION
LIKE POWER PLANTS OR SOLAR
FACILITIES OR LARGE SCALE
UTILITY, LARGE SCALE UTILITY
STORAGE AND BEING ABLE TO GET
THOSE PROJECTS ONLINE. UM AND SO
FOR THIS HEARING MY FIRST SLIDE
IT WAS TALKING ABOUT
INTERCONNECTION, BUT IT'S NOT
GENERATOR INTERCONNECTION.
THAT'S UM INTERCONNECTION OF
CUSTOMERS THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME
ROOFTOP SOLAR OR SO BEHIND THE
METER STORAGE. SO I DO WANT TO,
UM, SAY THAT THERE HAVE BEEN
ENHANCEMENTS IN THAT PROCESS AT
THE HEARING LAST WEEK, THE
REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CHI, SO
DID TALK ABOUT SOME IMPROVEMENTS
THAT THEY'VE MADE WITH GENERATOR
INTERCONNECTION. SO I DID WANT
TO PROVIDE THAT DISTINCTION AND
SEE IF MY COLLEAGUE FROM THE
ENERGY COMMISSION WANTED TO, UM
, SHARE ANYTHING ELSE. YEAH SO
AGREE THAT THE ISSUES LAST YEAR
WERE LARGE SCALE. UM,
INTERCONNECTION. AND KELLY SO
HAS AN ONGOING STAKEHOLDER
PROCESS TO IMPROVE THEIR
CONNECTION PROCESS AND REDUCE
THE, UM THE TIMELINE FOR GETTING
THOSE SYSTEMS INTERCONNECTED.
AND ALSO SORTING THROUGH AS I
THINK WAS MENTIONED ON THE
DISTRIBUTION SIDE. SORTING
THROUGH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
WHAT'S A PROJECT THAT HAS REAL
LEGS AND THOSE THAT DON'T
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW
THAT THE COMBINATION OF PROJECTS
COME ON THE LIST, AND NOT ALL OF
THEM ARE REAL AND TRYING TO SORT
THROUGH THOSE TO IDENTIFY WHERE
YOU SPEND YOUR TIME ON THE ON
THE REAL ONES, AS OPPOSED TO
THOSE THAT MIGHT NOT BE COMING
THROUGH. THERE IS AN ONGOING
PROCESS TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
AT THE LARGE SCALE. ALSO ON A
PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS. WE
HAVE A COORDINATED EFFORT AMONG
THE C C C. BèC KELLY SO AND JOB
IS TO ADDRESS INDIVIDUAL
PROJECTS THROUGH THE TRACKING
ENERGY DEVELOPMENT TASK FORCE TO
LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTS AND TRY
TO UNDER UNDERSTAND WHAT CHANGES
MIGHT NEED TO HAPPEN TO MOVE
THOSE PROJECTS ALONG FOR GRID
RELIABILITY. AND SO FOR THOSE
PROJECTS WHERE IT'S AN
INTERCONNECTION ISSUE, IT COULD
BE CALLOUS A OR CPUC THAT
ADDRESSES THOSE ISSUES. IF IT'S
A PERMITTING ISSUE, IT MIGHT BE
GO BIZARRE THAT TRIES TO WORK
THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. TRY TO GET
THOSE PROJECTS ON ONLINE ON A ON
A PROJECT BY PROJECT. THERE'S A
SYSTEMIC, UM, APPROACH THAT
KELLY'S WAS TAKING TO IMPROVE
THOSE CONNECTIONS. AND THERE'S
KIND OF THE MORE PROJECT BY
PROJECT EFFORTS WERE GOING
THROUGH. TO ENSURE THAT THOSE
PROJECTS COME ONLINE OR OR AS
MUCH AS WE CAN TO SUPPORT GRID
RELIABILITY. SO HOW MUCH IS THAT
IMPROVE THE SYSTEM. WHAT WHAT?
WHAT DELIVERABLE. CAN YOU TELL
ME? THAT'S HOW MUCH HAVE YOU
IMPROVED THE SYSTEM? HOW QUICKLY
HAS THIS HOW HOW MUCH IS THIS?
THE ELIMINATED SOME OF THE LAYS
, SO I WOULD I WOULD HAVE TO
DEFER TO CALISTO SPECIFICALLY
FOR THE THEIR ESTIMATES ON HOW
RAPIDLY THEY CAN INCORPORATE
INTERNET YOU ARE ARE TALKING
TOGETHER. THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD
LAST WEEK. SO ALL THE EFFORTS
YOU'RE DOING HERE. HOW MUCH ARE
YOU IMPROVING THE SYSTEM? HOW
MUCH ARE YOU SPEEDING THINGS UP?
HOW MUCH DO YOU PROJECT TO SPEED
THINGS UP? BECAUSE WE HEARD IT'S
YOU KNOW, JUST TO BUILD A
TRANSMISSION LINE IN THE STATE
COULD TAKE 7 TO 10 YEARS. SO
WHAT IS YOUR GOAL? ELIMINATING
THAT AND SHORTENING THAT WHAT IS
YOUR GOAL? AND YOU TALKED ABOUT
PROJECTS. SO MR BEAN'S OVER
HERE, UM TALKING ABOUT ROOSEVELT
, PART OF N C P A. I KNOW NCP
BECAUSE I LIVE IN HEALDSBURG.
WE'RE IN N C P A CITY AS WELL.
THEY TALK TO PROJECTS ALL THE
TIME TO KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMING
ONLINE SO IS CALLOUS. SO IS
EVERYBODY TALKING TO ALL THESE
FOLKS ON A REGULAR BASIS IS PG
AND E TALKING TO PEOPLE ON A
REGULAR BASIS. WHERE ARE YOU IN
YOUR PROJECT? WHEN IS THAT
COMING? ONLINE ART IS THAT KIND
OF COMMUNICATION HAPPENING? UM
IT CERTAINLY HAPPENING IN
ROOSEVELT. KUDOS TO THEM.
HAPPENS IN MY HOMETOWN. I KNOW
IT DOES BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HEARD
OF THEM OF AN INCIDENT LIKE
THIS, UM SO YOU KNOW, IT'S
DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO PICK UP THE
PHONE AND CALL. HEY, HOW'S THE
PROJECT GOING? ARE YOU GUYS
GOING TO STILL ON YOUR TIMELINE?
ARE WE GONNA YOU KNOW, I MEAN,
THIS IS A KIND OF BASIC STUFF,
BUT IT'S KIND OF MY LEVEL OF
FRUSTRATION RIGHT NOW OF IT
DOESN'T FEEL DOESN'T FEEL LIKE
SOME OF THAT'S HAPPENING. UM I
CAN SPEAK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT
COMMUNICATIONS. SO WE DO WE MEET
WITH THE TRACKING ENERGY
DEVELOPMENT TASK FORCE TO TASK
FORCE MEETS WITH DEVELOPERS ON A
REGULAR BASIS. SOMETIMES IT'S BI
MONTHLY. SOMETIMES IT'S MONTHLY
AND WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH
HIM ABOUT ALL THEIR PROJECTS.
THEY RUN THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
LET US KNOW WHICH ONES ARE ON ON
TRACK, WHICH ONES ARE NOT ON
TRACK FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT ON
TRACK, THE REASON THEY'RE NOT ON
TRACK AND WHETHER THEY NEED ANY
SUPPORT TO HELP THOSE MOVE
FORWARD. WHETHER THOSE ARE
INTERCONNECTION PERMITTING OR IF
THEY ARE BEING HELD UP BECAUSE
OF, UM EQUIPMENT, DELAYS OR
OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY'RE
DEALING WITH ON THEIR SITE, SO
WE DO HAVE THAT CONSTANT
COMMUNICATION ON THOSE LARGE
SCALE PROJECTS TO ENSURE THAT
THEY'RE MOVING ALONG AND TRYING
TO OVERCOME THOSE CHALLENGES.
AND THEN THE OTHER FORUM THAT
HAS BEEN CREATED IS CALLED THE,
UH, SORRY TRANSMISSION
DEVELOPMENT FORUM AND THAT
ACTUALLY OCCURS QUARTERLY. IT IS
HOSTED BY THE SYSTEM OPERATOR.
NOT BY CPU. CRC C THAT WE DO
ENGAGE IN THAT PROCESS. SO CAISO
HOLDS THAT MEETING QUARTERLY SO
THAT, UM GENERATORS THAT ARE
TRYING TO INTERCONNECT TO THE
SYSTEM ARE GETTING VERY CLEAR
UPDATES ABOUT UPGRADES THAT ARE
OCCURRING TO THE SYSTEM WHERE
THEY ARE IN THE QUEUE AS WELL.
AND THAT, UM I WAS STOOD UP LAST
YEAR IN RESPONSE TO THOSE
MEETINGS. AND SO WHAT IS THE
GOAL? AS FAR AS HOW HOW. HOW
MUCH PERCENTAGE OR WHATEVER,
WHAT IS THE GOAL? IN IN HOW
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE PIT
PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT. WHAT IS
THE GOAL? AND HOW WHERE ARE YOU
IN THAT GOAL, SO THAT IS A
QUESTION FOR THE SYSTEM OPERATOR
AND WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO GET
SOME INFORMATION BACK PART OF
THIS, BUT YOU ALL TALK,
APPARENTLY. SO YOU GUYS HAVEN'T
TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE GOAL IS.
WE DO. TALK ABOUT IT. UM EVERY
WEEK. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE
TRACKING THE CLUSTER STUDIES FOR
ALL OF THE NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE
COMING ONLINE, SO WHAT WAS
DETAILED IN THE HEARING LAST
WEEK BY OUR COLLEAGUE FROM THE
CHI SO WAS THAT THERE ARE
HUNDREDS OF PROJECTS THAT ARE IN
THE INTERCONNECTION QUÊ. SOME OF
THOSE PROJECTS ARE NEVER GOING
TO COME TO FRUITION, BUT THEY
ARE STILL TECHNICALLY IN THE Q
AND ARE BEING STUDIED. AND SO
THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THOSE
CLUSTER STUDY PROCESSES IN ORDER
TO BRING THOSE STUDIES ONLINE.
IN ADDITION TO BRING THOSE
PROJECTS ONLINE. IN ADDITION TO
THAT THERE WAS A NEW MEMORANDUM
OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS SIGNED
BETWEEN THE AGENCIES AT THE END
OF LAST YEAR AND SO SOMETHING
THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THEIR
THAT'S GOING TO ENHANCE THE WORK
OF THE CASE, SO IS THAT THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION IS
THE ONE WHO HAS THE INFORMATION
ABOUT THE PPS OR THE POWER
PURCHASE AGREEMENTS. SO WHICH OF
THESE PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY
CONTRACTED WITH THE LOAD SERVING
ENTITIES? UM FOR POWER TO SERVE
THOSE CUSTOMERS, AND SO NOW THAT
THOSE ARE CONFIDENTIAL CONTRACTS
, BUT NOW THROUGH THE MEMORANDUM
OF UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE ABLE TO
SHARE THE INFORMATION ON THOSE
CONTRACTS WITH THE CHI. SO YOU
KNOW, WHICH ARE THE PROJECTS
THAT ARE THE MOST VIABLE, WHICH
OTHER PROJECTS THAT THAT LOAD
SERVING ENTITIES ARE DEPENDING
ON THE COMING ONLINE, AND SO
THEY'RE ABLE TO INCORPORATE.
MORE OF THAT INFORMATION INTO
THE STUDIES THAT THEY'RE DOING
IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
PROJECTS THAT ARE MOST VIABLE
THAT CUSTOMERS ARE DEPENDING ON
ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ABLE TO
GET INTERCONNECTED. SO BECAUSE
I'M I GUESS I'M NOT GOING TO GET
THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION, SO
IT'S GOOD. SOMEBODY GET BACK TO
US AND SAY, WHAT IS THE GOAL?
FOR IMPROVING EFFICIENCY BY A
PERCENTAGE. ARE WE REALLY GOING
TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT 7 TO 10
YEARS FOR FUTURE TRANSMISSION?
WHAT IS THE GOAL? I MEAN, Y'ALL
ARE TALKING. YOU GOT YOUR TASK
FORCE AND ALL THAT, BUT WHAT IS
THE GOAL? AND WHAT IS THAT? HOW
IS THAT GOING TO HELP, YOU KNOW?
AND I OWE YOU WHO'S OUT THERE
TRYING TO TRY TO MOVE PROJECTS
ALONG. WE HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT.
THE REASON WE EXTENDED DIABLO
WAS, WE HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF
GREEN ENERGY THAT CANNOT GET
CONNECTED OR INTERCONNECTED OR
TRANSMITTED OR WHATEVER THE HELL
IT NEEDS TO GO. I'M NOT. I'M NOT
ON THIS COMMITTEE. UM BUT BUT
IT'S NOT WORKING. IT'S NOT
WORKING AND THERE WAS. YOU KNOW,
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THIS
SO TELL US GIVE US SOME TIME
LINES OF WHAT? WHAT ALL THIS IS
GOING TO DO AND HOW THIS IS
GOING TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS AND
MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT. I'M JUST
HEARING YOUR MEETING, BUT I'M
NOT HEARING THAT. YOU HAVE TO
HAVE A GOAL. AND SO I AM HAPPY
TO WORK WITH THE CONSULTANT TO
GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU FROM THE
CASE. SO UM, ON THE LATEST IN
THERE, YOU GUYS HAVE A GOAL THAT
WE DON'T YOU WANT THIS TO BE
MORE EFFICIENT FOR THEM, SO THEY
COST LESS MONEY, SO IT COSTS
LIKE RATEPAYERS LESS MONEY?
DON'T DOESN'T THE C E. C AND P
èC HAVE A GOAL. TO MAKE THIS
MORE EFFICIENT, LESS COSTLY FOR
CONSUMERS. YES AND SO RIGHT NOW,
SO RIGHT NOW, THE CPUC
INTEGRATED RESOURCE PLANNING
PROCESS HAS ORDERED 18,800
MEGAWATTS OF NEW PROCUREMENT. SO
THAT IS THE PROCUREMENT ORDERS
THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. THAT
IS OUR GOAL FOR GETTING THOSE
PROJECTS ONLINE. SO IT'S 18,800
MEGAWATTS AND THE LAST ORDER
THAT PUT THAT OUT THERE WAS
ISSUED IN FEBRUARY BEFORE AN
ADDITIONAL 4000 MEGAWATTS.
THAT'S THE NUMBER. IS THERE A
TIME FRAME THAT WE'RE LOOKING
FOR A TIMEFRAME? THAT'S THANK
YOU, MR CHAIR GOAL THAT AMOUNT
OF MEGAWATTS ONBOARD BY YES,
YES. SO WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS
THE 2045 GOAL. THANK YOU. I
APOLOGIZE FOR GETTING WORKED UP.
THIS IS IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU
GOT WORKED UP IN MY BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE
EXPECTATIONS AND I THINK IT'S
OUR JOB TO KIND OF PUSH. PUT PUT
PUT PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE.
HERE. WE ENDORSED. YOU'RE ALL
WORKING TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, AND
MAKING IMPROVEMENTS. WE WANT TO
SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS. WE WANT TO
KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE
YOU KNOW, UM WE APPRECIATE THE
QUESTIONS. WE APPRECIATE THE
BACK AND FORTH THAT'S TAKING
PLACE. I THINK, UM, UM WE WILL
GET FOLLOW UP TO SOME OF THE
QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T ANSWERED,
AND WE ARE GETTING SOME ANSWERS
TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE
HAVE I YOU KNOW, I HAVE THIS THE
QUESTIONS IN FRONT OF ME AS
WELL. MY COLLEAGUE TO MY RIGHT
HAS SOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, UM. WE'RE ALL
FRUSTRATED. I KNOW EVERYBODY
HERE IS FRUSTRATED. UM AND I,
YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE
EVERYONE'S WORK TRYING TO FIGURE
IT OUT. IT'S THINK, UM, I SHARE
. UH ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WOODS. UH
CONCERNS ABOUT THE URGENCY AND
JUST IT'S I THINK PART OF THAT
IS ALL OF THE RIPPLE EFFECTS
THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS RIGHT
BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT OUR
HOUSING CRISIS WE'RE NOT GETTING
HOUSING ONLINE. IT MEANS THAT
THE GREEN JOBS THAT WE WANT TO
BE CREATING WE CAN'T CREATE
BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THESE
PROJECTS DONE. IT MEANS THAT YOU
KNOW, THERE'S UM THERE'S ENERGY
PROVIDERS DISTRIBUTED ENERGY
RESOURCES THAT CAN'T GET
CONNECTED UP TO THE GRID TO GIVE
US THE ENERGY THAT WE NEED. UM
AND YOU KNOW TO BE ABLE TO MEET
OUR GOALS THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING
TOWARDS. UM AND THE ALL USERS
SUCH A BIG ROLE IN IMPORTANT
PART OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT,
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD FOLKS
AND I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS
BEFORE IN MY OFFICE. BOTH YOU
KNOW, TALKING ABOUT HOUSING THAT
WAS NOT ABLE TO GET CONNECTED UP
AS YOU YOU'RE RAISED TODAY. IN
HUMBOLDT COUNTY. UM TALKING
ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING
SOLAR ENERGY WITH BATTERIES THAT
CANNOT GET CONNECTED OR
INTERCONNECTED, UM TO THE GRID,
AND THEY'VE SOLAR COMPANIES HAVE
ACTUALLY SAID TO ME WE WILL DO
THE WORK. IF THEY WILL. LET US
DO IT LIKE WE LIKE. WHERE IT
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S A
WORKFORCE ISSUE. UM, IT SOUNDS
LIKE IT'S JUST THE I. O. U. S.
R. REALLY JUST NOT WANTING TO
PAY MORE WORKERS TO DO IT MORE
QUICKLY BECAUSE OF THE COST. I
MEAN, JUST TO PUT IT BLUNTLY.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE
ARE THERE. ARE THERE WAYS WELL,
PEOPLE ARE JUST SITTING HERE
WAITING ONLINE. LIKE HOW CAN WE
MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS
HAPPENING? UM I MEAN, I GUESS
IT'S JUST IT'S FRUSTRATING,
RIGHT. PEOPLE NEED JOBS. THESE
ARE GOOD JOBS. WE WANT TO GET
THINGS CONNECTED MORE QUICKLY.
UM YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, AND TO
THE POINT THAT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
WOULD MADE I UNDERSTAND THE
CHALLENGES THAT PG AND E
SPECIFICALLY IS FACING RIGHT NOW
AROUND WILDFIRE MITIGATION. IT
WAS A RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY
SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING FOR
DECADES. UM AND SO NOW TO SAY
THAT THAT'S COSTING SO MUCH
MONEY THAT THAT NOW WE DON'T
HAVE MONEY OVER ON THIS SIDE. TO
HANDLE IN OUR CONNECTION AND
ENERGY IZATION. IF THAT'S A WORD
, THAT A WORD YES. GOOD SO, UM,
YOU KNOW, SO IT JUST IS
INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING. UM AND
THERE HAS TO BE REALISTIC
DEADLINES. BEFORE 2045 BECAUSE
2045 IS WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE TO
BE THERE ALREADY HAVE TO BE
READY AND DONE BY THEN. UM SO WE
CAN'T REALLY BE TALKING ABOUT
2045. WE HAVE TO BE TALKING
ABOUT MUCH EARLIER THAN THAT. UM
AND YOU KNOW? I KNOW WE'VE BEEN
GOING AROUND AND AROUND AND
AROUND AND I DON'T WANT TO ASK
THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE
ALREADY BEEN ASKED. UM, BUT I WE
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING
BETTER THAN IS HAPPENING RIGHT
NOW WITH CLEAR GOALS AND CLEAR
DEADLINES AND CLEAR DELIVERABLES
, UM AND YOU KNOW, AND ALL THE
PIECES THAT NEED TO BE FIGURED
OUT. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ASKING
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY
THE PROBLEM. UM AND I HEAR THE
MONEY IS THE PROBLEM. WE ALL
HEARD THAT. UM BUT I ALSO HEAR
YOU KNOW THERE MAY BE ISSUES
AROUND. UM ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS
THAT THERE'S A YOU KNOW A BIG
NEED FOR FILLING THOSE JOBS THAT
ARE BEING VACATED. IS THERE
SOMETHING IN THERE THAT NEEDS TO
BE HAPPENING? LIKE I JUST FEEL
LIKE WE NEED TO REALLY DO A
CLEAR ASSESSMENT OF WHAT IS
ACTUALLY THE PROBLEM. WE KNOW
THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE UPGRADES
TO THE GRID. WE KNOW LIKE WHAT
IS ACTUALLY THE PROBLEM AND THEN
FOR EACH OF THOSE CHALLENGES
THAT WE HAVE AROUND THIS ISSUE
BREAKDOWN WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE
ABLE TO MEET THE GOALS MEET THE
NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 80 OR 90
EVEN PERCENT OF THE TIME. UM IN
A REAL WAY. THAT WON'T TAKE US.
YEARS AND YEARS. I MEAN, YOU
KNOW UM, VICE CHAIR. PATTERSON
IS TALKING ABOUT HEARING ABOUT
THIS FOR 10. YEARS ALREADY. UM,
SO WE HOW WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED A
FOLLOW UP THAT THIS IS THIS.
WE'RE CONTINUING THE
CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN
HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME. BUT
WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP OF THIS
CONVERSATION WITH THE REAL CLEAR
. WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS? WHAT
ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING
PUT IN PLACE TO DO TO ADDRESS
THOSE PROBLEMS AND TIMELINES
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? BECAUSE
ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW
IT'S NICE NOT TO HAVE TIMELINES
BECAUSE THEN YOU GET KEPT TO
THEM. BUT WE CAN'T HAVE REAL
ACCOUNTABILITY. IF WE DON'T HAVE
REAL TIMELINES. UM AND YOU KNOW
, AND WE CAN'T DO PLANNING IN
OUR COMMUNITIES IF WE DON'T HAVE
REAL TIMELINES, UM AND SO IT'S
REALLY HAMSTRINGING. ALL OF OUR
COMMUNITIES WHEN WE DON'T HAVE
MORE CLARITY AROUND THIS, UM AND
HOPEFULLY THROUGH THAT PROCESS,
WE CAN MORE CLEARLY FIGURE OUT
HOW WE AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY CAN
BE MORE SUPPORTIVE. UM AND HELP
MOVE THINGS ALONG BECAUSE I
THINK THERE'S SO MANY PIECES OF
THIS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
WE'RE SUPPORTING AND IT'S
IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
DO THAT. IF WE DON'T HAVE REAL
TIMELINES. WE DON'T HAVE REAL
GOALS AND WE DON'T HAVE REAL
STANDARDS SET CLEARLY FOR US. SO
UM SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE
CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS MORE
DETAILS AND MORE REAL TIMELINES
AND DEADLINES SO THAT WE HAVE
CLARITY ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO
GET THERE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET OUR
COMMUNITIES ENERGY, SO THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR MURATSUCHI.
THANK YOU. I, UH I FEEL LIKE, UH
. YEAH IT'S DEJA VU ALL OVER
AGAIN. IN TERMS OF A LOT OF
ATTENTION BEING FOCUSED ON PG
AND E, UM AH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE
BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH THE
WILDFIRES AND UM AND OTHER
DISCUSSIONS. AYE. UM. I WAS
LOOKING AT THIS, UM. PROJECT
LIFECYCLE THAT'S IN THE STAFF
ANALYSIS FOR AND ENERGY JUDGES.
ATION LIFECYCLE APPARENTLY
PROVIDED AN EXAMPLE PROFILED BY
SDG ANY AND, UM. AND IT LOOKS
LIKE MOST OF THE TIME IS SPENT
ON AH, THE PRELIMINARY
ENGINEERING AND DESIGN AND THE
FINAL DESIGN. UH IT'S MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS, UM
IN THE THAT IS THE UTILITIES.
RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT CORRECT?
MY COLLEAGUE. SIR. IT'S. THANK
YOU, SIR. IT'S MIXED, SO THE
APPLICANT HAS A CHOICE. IT CAN
EITHER BE THE UTILITIES
RESPONSIBILITY. THE APPLICANT
CAN TAKE THAT UPON THEMSELVES.
SO IN IN TERMS OF THE LET LET'S
SAY FOCUSING ON UM NO. MR WEBB'S
EXAMPLE OF HOW IT TOOK 14 MONTHS
TO DELIVER ELECTRICITY. AH WHERE
WOULD WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR
THAT DELAY? WE I AND WHAT WAS IT
? UH YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY IN THIS
THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN PHASE
AND IF SO, WAS THAT AH, THE
UTILITIES RESPONSIBILITY OR WAS
THAT SOMEONE ELSE'S
RESPONSIBILITY? LET ME SAY THAT
. SO IN MR WEBB SITUATION, HE
USED ALLIANCE DAY DESIGNER THAT
HE CHOSE. SO IT WAS HIS
DESIGNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO
DESIGN THE WORK WAS THE
UTILITIES RESPONSIBILITY TO
APPROVE THAT DESIGN. AND THAT,
AS HE OUTLINED, WE WENT THROUGH
FOUR DIFFERENT ROUNDS OF
APPROVALS, UH, IN ORDER TO GET
PLANS THAT WERE OF SUFFICIENT
QUALITY TO APPROVE, SO THERE'S I
THINK THAT WE ARE NOT WITHOUT
FAULT IN HIS SITUATION. NOT LIKE
NOT IN THE LEAST. BUT THERE ARE
CHALLENGES THERE WHEN A DESIGN
TAKES FOUR TIMES TO GET APPROVED
. OKAY, SO I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE
UTILITIES. AH! RESPONSIBILITY
FOR THIS PROCESS. UM. GOING BACK
TO MR TING'S QUESTION IS, IS IT
A, UH, WORKLOAD ISSUE? IS IT
THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF
TO WORK WITH THE PRIVATE DESIGN
DESIGNER TO PROCESS IT MORE
QUICKLY? NÓI. I'M NOT SURE I
UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION IF IT IF
IT'S THE WHY? WHY DID IT TAKE SO
LONG? I MEAN, IS IT? IS IT A
WORKLOAD ISSUE OR IS? IS IT
SOMETHING ELSE? FURTHER DESIGN
REVIEWS IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING
FOR THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING
AND DESIGN IN THE FINAL DESIGN.
LET'S SAY SO. I DON'T HAVE THE
LIKE. I DON'T HAVE INTIMATE
KNOWLEDGE OF MR WEBB'S DESIGN
REVIEW PROCESS. BUT WHAT? UH
WHAT I CAN SAY, GENERALLY
SPEAKING, IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH
FORWARD DESIGN REVIEWS, SO WE
PRIORITIZE THE 1ST AND 2ND
DESIGN REVIEWS. AND THEN THERE
ARE PLENTY OF OTHER FOLKS THAT
ARE IN THE QUEUE THAT CAN GET IT
RIGHT ON THE FIRST OR SECOND
TRY. SO THE 3RD AND 4TH DESIGN
REVIEWS DO END UP TAKING LONGER
AND SO THAT COULD CONTRIBUTE TO
DELAYS AND THAT TYPE OF
SITUATION OKAY. UM BUT IS IT IS
IT GENERALLY SPEAKING I MEAN, DO
YOU DO YOU FEEL LIKE AH? PG AND
E HAS ENOUGH STAFFING TO BE ABLE
TO EXPEDITIOUSLY. UH PROCESS
THESE DESIGN. UH, APPLICATIONS.
YES WITH, UH IF WE RESOLVE OUR
BACKLOG. AND SO THAT'S THE MAIN
PROBLEM. SO THE DELAY THAT HE
EXPERIENCES BECAUSE HE'S IN A
LONG LINE AND SO THE AMOUNT OF
STAFF THAT WE HAVE IS SUFFICIENT
FOR THE INCOMING VOLUME THAT WE
ARE CURRENTLY SEEING. WE'RE ALSO
HIRING AN ADDITIONAL 100
ESTIMATORS AND DESIGN ENGINEERS
AS YOU QUOTE TO AUGMENT THAT.
AND THEN IN CREATING, YOU KNOW,
DOING A DEFICIENCY PLAYERS TO
INCREASE PRODUCTION TO DO A
CATCH UP, AND SO WE ARE
CURRENTLY OVER, UH,
OVERPRODUCING AND WE'RE ON A
TRAJECTORY TO MEET THE
COMMITMENT OF ELIMINATING THAT
BACKLOG BY THE END OF THE YEAR,
AND SO, UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE BRINGING ON MORE PEOPLE.
TO ADDRESS THAT BACKLOG THAT YOU
THAT YOU HOPE TO MEET. WHAT IS
AN 80% OF THE TIME THE CUSTOMERS
TIMELINE BY THE END OF 2024, BUT
PART OF THAT PLAN IS TO
ELIMINATE THE Q AND THE WAITING
AND THAT FOR THE DESIGN
SPECIFICALLY IS THE END OF THIS
YEAR. 2023 AND HOW EXACTLY ARE
YOU WORKING? UM, THROUGH THAT
THAT THAT BACKLOG IS THAT WITH
THE ADDITIONAL STAFFING YES,
SIR. OKAY, SO UM. AND THE
ADDITIONAL STAFFING. IS THAT
SOMETHING THAT YOU THAT,
ULTIMATELY YOU KNOW IS PAID FOR
THROUGH A RATE. UH, AH INCREASED
REQUESTS SUBMITTED TO THE PUC.
YEAH SO THERE'S A THERE'S A LONG
LINE OF FINANCIAL PAPERS THERE,
BUT, YES, ULTIMATELY IT DOESN'T
FLOW BACK THROUGH THE GRC
REQUEST THAT WE SUBMIT, OKAY.
SO, UM. IN TERMS OF THIS
BACKLOG. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND
THAT THEIR THEIR ISSUES IN TERMS
OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY
READY LIKE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT
READY OCCUPYING SPACE IN THE
QUEUE. AH, BUT. WERE WAS THIS
BACKLOG? WHAT? WHAT WAS THE
CAUSE OF THE BACKLOG? I DON'T
KNOW IF I CAN CITE JUST ONE
THING IF YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY
REFERRING TO THE DESIGN BACKLOG
, UM THE QUEUE BACKLOG. YES. SO
THERE'S REALLY NOT ONE THING I
CAN TELL YOUR NAME. THE TOP
THREE REASONS. LET ME TRY AND
GIVE ME JUST A SECOND TO COLLECT
MY THOUGHTS. YEAH SO I THINK, UH
, WE SAW THE MOST, UH THE
LARGEST INCREASE, WHICH OCCURRED
LAST YEAR AS WE END UP PIVOT
RESOURCES TO SUPPORT WILDFIRE
AND OTHER MAINTENANCE CONCERNS
THAT WERE COMPLIANCE RELATED
ITEMS, AND SO THAT WAS AN
INTENTIONAL SLOWDOWN THAT WE
BELIEVE IN HINDSIGHT WAS WAS A
MISTAKE. UM AND SO LET ME LET ME
JUST STOP THERE. THAT WAS, LET'S
SAY THE MOST RECENT CAUSE OF THE
INCREASE, AND WE'VE SINCE SINCE
RECOVERED AND REVERSED THAT OKAY
, SO THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT
COMES TO YOUR MIND NOW IS THE
MISALLOCATION OF STAFFING
RESOURCES. THAT. MAY HAVE
CONTRIBUTED TO THE BACKLOG. DID
I HEAR THAT RIGHT? YES, YOU DID.
OKAY, SO THAT IS ON. THE UTILITY
THEN. UM. I MEAN, I YOU KNOW, I
DON'T COME FROM PG AND E, UH,
TERRITORY AND SO YOU KNOW, I
DON'T FEEL THE FRUSTRATION THAT
I'VE HEARD FROM. AH! SOME OF MY
COLLEAGUES, UH, UM BUT, UM. A
TURNING NOW TO THE REGULATORS.
UM I MEAN, IT'S THE PUC THAT'S
PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE. FOR THE
OVERSIGHT OF THE AH AH! THE
PLANNING AND BUILDING OF THE.
DISTRIBUTION GRID. IS THAT
CORRECT? YES. AND. SO IT DOES
THE PUC WHERE WHAT DOES THE PC
DUE TO TRY TO AH OVERSEE IN THIS
CASE PG ANY TO MAKE SURE THAT
THEY ARE ON TRACK. THERE ARE
PROPERLY ALLOCATING THEIR
STAFFING RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO
MADE THE DEMANDS, UM WITHOUT
CREATING A BACKLOG, SUCH AS WE
WE'VE BEEN HEARING EXISTS. SO
THE DAY TO DAY MANAGEMENT OF THE
UTILITY THAT IS YOU KNOW THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF THE UTILITY
THROUGH THE RIGHT CASE PROCESS.
THEY PUT TOGETHER PROPOSALS ON
HOW MUCH STAFFING THAT THEY WILL
NEED, UM, HOW MUCH THAT WILL
COST IN ADDITION TO CAPITAL
COSTS, UM P GENIE ISN'T A FOUR
YEAR RATE CASE CYCLE AND WE ARE
ON TRACK TO RESOLVE THAT RAPE
CASE THIS SUMMER IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THAT SCHEDULE. I DON'T WANT
TO DISAGREE WITH THE LAST
SPEAKER, BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT
CONCERNING FOR ME TO HEAR THAT.
FOR HERE FOR ME TO HEAR THEM SAY
THAT YOU KNOW, THEY ALLOCATED
TOO MANY RESOURCES TO WILDFIRE
WORK, SO I MEAN THAT THAT IS AN
OPINION FROM THEM. IT'S NOT ONE
THAT I CAN UM, NECESSARILY AGREE
WITH JUST GIVEN THE HIGHER
DEGREE OF WILDFIRE RISK, SO I
DID WANT TO SAY THAT. SO I MEAN
, IT. DOES THE PUC EVALUATE. UM
YOU KNOW THEY THE REASONABLENESS
OF HOW PG ANY ALLOCATES OF
STAFFING? SO IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL
RAPE CASES, THEY DO HAVE
PROPOSALS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE
NEED, UM THIS MANY STAFF OR
RESOURCES FOR WILDFIRE
MITIGATION. THAT'LL BE ONE
BUSINESS UNIT THIS MANY STAFF
AND RESOURCES FOR DISTRIBUTION
PLANNING, AND WE ARE THE ONES
THAT DO THE APPROVAL FOR THAT,
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THE
UTILITIES ARE ABLE TO SHIFT
RESOURCES AROUND IN PARTICULAR
TO ADDRESS SAFETY ISSUES. THEY
DO HAVE TO REPORT BACK TO US
THROUGH A SAFETY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY PROCESS WHEN THEY
DO SHIFT THOSE RESOURCES AROUND
, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SHIFT
AROUND RESOURCES. SO IN THIS
CASE YOU KNOW, THE SPEAKER
MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAD
PROVIDED THEM WITH RESOURCES AND
BUDGETS, AND THEY RE ALLOCATED
THOSE RESOURCES TO WILDFIRE. BUT
. THE CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING
THAT THAT IS TWO PCS JOB. Tð
TAKE THE ELECTRICITY NEEDS.
ASSESSMENT FROM THE ENERGY
COMMISSION LIKE FOUR THINGS LIKE
THE FRESNO AIRPORT IN THE
COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND THE
HOUSING AND MAYBE. OVERSEE PG
AND E TO SAY HEY, PG AND E R.
ARE YOU ON TRACK TO MEET? YOU
KNOW ALL THESE ELECTRICITY
DEMANDS FOR PRESIDENT? I MEAN,
THAT IS THE BUCS JOB. WE HAVE
ORDERED THE UTILITIES TO
LEVERAGE THE CE SIX HYPER DEMAND
FORECAST IN ORDER TO CREATE
THEIR INVESTMENT PROPOSALS. YES,
OKAY. MAY I ALSO CHIME IN HERE
SO FOR THE FOR THE DEMAND
FORECAST. DEMAND FORECAST HAS
SYSTEM WIDE, SO IT DOESN'T GET
DOWN TO THE POINT OF WHAT IS
FRESNO. NEED THE, UM, NEEDS OF
THAT LOCALIZED AREA ACTUALLY
COME FROM THE UTILITY. SO THEY
DO THE MORE GRANULAR ANALYSIS OF
THE NEEDS WITHIN THEIR TERRITORY
. OKAY SO WE GOT COMES BACK TO
PG AND E. THEN IT WAS ON PAGE
ANY TO BE AWARE OF AND TO PLAN
FOR THE THAT THE NEEDS OF
FRESNO. YEAH YES. AND, UM, BUT
FOR MY PRESENTATION, WE ARE
LOOKING AT WAYS TO ENHANCE THAT
BECAUSE WE DO THINK THERE ARE
IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE
MADE. AND SO WE ARE DOING THAT
IN OUR HEIDI ER PROCEEDING. UM
AND THAT'S IN PROCESS AT THIS
TIME. UM. I MEAN, THIS, UH NOT
ONLY, UM. OBVIOUSLY RAISES
CONCERNS IN TERMS OF WHETHER
WE'RE LIVING IN THIRD WORLD
STATE LIKE CONDITION LIKE UH, MR
PATTERSON WITH WITH TALKING TO
BUT BUT ALSO, I MEAN, I KNOW
THAT YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS AS
WE DISCUSSED IN OUR LAST
HEARING, WHETHER OUR
TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION
GRID IS ON TRACK TO MEET OUR OUR
DECARBONIZATION AND OUR CLIMATE
GOALS. UM. HEY IT, UM, DOESN'T
INSPIRE CONFIDENCE WHEN THEY
CAN'T DELIVER ELECTRICITY TO THE
HOUSING PROJECT, YOU KNOW, FOR
14 MONTHS, UM I, UM ARE. ARE WE
ON TRACK TO MEET RSP 100 GOALS?
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A VERY
IMPORTANT CONCERN. I THINK I
WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TAKE A
STEP BACK AND POINT OUT. THAT
THE AMOUNT OF CHANGES THAT HAVE
WE ARE IN A TIME OF TRANSITION.
UM AS WE ARE WORKING TO ADDRESS
OUR GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION
GOALS, AS WELL AS AFFORDABILITY,
RELIABILITY AND SAFETY. OVER THE
LAST 10 YEARS WE HAVE DONE HAD
MORE CHANGES ON THE ELECTRICITY
GRID, THEN HAVE OCCURRED OVER
THE LAST 100 YEARS. TAKING A
LOOK FORWARD IN THE NEXT TWO
YEARS WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE
ABLE TO DO MORE THAN WE DID IN
THE LAST 10 YEARS, SO THAT
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING THE
TRAJECTORY AS AND THAT'S WHY WE
ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF CHANGE OF
ENHANCING OUR DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM PLANNING PROCESSES IN
ORDER TO MEET THOSE CONCERNS. I
DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU ON
THAT. AND IN TERMS OF YOUR
RECENT STUDY, UM, RECENT REPORT
ESTIMATING OVER $50 BILLION IN
INVESTMENTS FOR DISTRIBUTION.
GREAT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED BY
2035. UH, IS IT IS IT, UM THE
BUCS POSITION THAT MOST OF THAT
50 BILLION IS TO BE PAID FOR BY
RED PAIRS. UNDER THE CURRENT
PROCESS, IT IS PAID FOR BY RATE
PAIRS. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT
THAT IT IS A DRAFT REPORT. YOU
KNOW, IT WAS JUST RELEASED THIS
MONTH WE HAD A WEBINAR ON THE
17TH IN ORDER TO HELP INFORM
PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDERS ON THAT
REPORT AND WILL BE GETTING
FEEDBACK FROM THEM ON AND YOU
KNOW ANY CHANGES THAT THEY THINK
MIGHT NEED TO HAPPEN TO THAT
REPORT. UM BUT UNDER THE CURRENT
FRAMEWORK, MOST OF THOSE COSTS
WILL BE PAID FOR BY RATEPAYERS.
I SAY MOST, BECAUSE WE ARE AT A
TIME WHERE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT
OPPORTUNITIES TO LEVERAGE
FEDERAL FUNDS AND SO THE PUBLIC
UTILITY COMMISSION DID VOTE OUT
A RESOLUTION IN APRIL REQUIRING
THE UTILITIES TO BE LEVERAGING
THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS TRACKING
THEM REPORTING BACK TO US ON THE
FEDERAL FUNDS THAT THEY ARE
SEEKING. UM AND IN THAT PROCESS
STARTED EARLY LAST YEAR WITH
THAT DIRECTION. UH, THAT WAS
PART OF THE UH, PRESIDENT
BIDEN'S INFRASTRUCTURE? YES,
YES. SO BASICALLY THE MORE
FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WE CAN
UTILIZE FOR. THE TRANSMISSION
AND DISTRIBUTION GRID. THE LESS
IMPACT ON REPAIRS. YES, AND
THOSE, UH, FUNDS HAVE ALREADY
STARTED BEING SOUGHT. UM AND SO
WE HAVE PROVIDED THE DIRECTION
TO THE UTILITIES SO THAT THEY
CAN BE ABLE TO PROACTIVELY SEEK
OUT THOSE DOLLARS AND
APPROPRIATELY TRACKED THEM. SO
WE UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS THAT
ARE COMING TO RAPE PAIRS AS
WELL. UM. THE STAFF REPORT. UH
FOCUSES ON SUPPLY ISSUES. I
THINK I HEARD ONE SPEAKER TO
TALK ABOUT THIS SUPPLY ISSUES.
BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD. SUPPLY
ISSUES BEING OTHER OTHER THAN
THE YOU KNOW YOUR TESTIMONY THAT
ARE PARTIALLY HEARD. I APOLOGIZE
. UH, IT I HAVEN'T HEARD PJD
TALKING ABOUT SUPPLY ISSUES
BEING A CAUSE OR REASON FOR THE
BACKLOG. WAS THAT WAS THAT A
SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE BACKLOG?
WE DO HAVE SUPPLY ISSUES,
PRIMARILY WITH TRANSFORMERS. I
THINK ALL OF THE I O U. S DO
ALSO MANY APPLICANT INSTALLER.
SO THOSE ARE APPLICANTS THAT
CHOOSE TO PURCHASE AND SUPPLY
THEIR OWN MATERIALS. THEY'RE
EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING I
WOULDN'T CITED AS A PRIMARY
CAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE
EXPERIENCING. IN THE ENERGY
IZATION FRONT. THERE'S SOME
ACUTE ISSUES THAT OCCURRED LAST
YEAR AND INTO THIS YEAR AS AS
THE SCARCITY AROSE. BUT BUT LET
ME SAY, I THINK THAT THAT'S
TRANSITORY, AND IT'S NOT REALLY
AT THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE BROAD
FRUSTRATION THAT WE HAVE, UM SO
IT DOES. IT GOES BACK TO THE
BIGGER, FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE SEEMS
TO BE WORKFORCE STAFFING. THE
CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO
EXPEDITIOUSLY PROCESS
APPLICATIONS. I WILL GO BACK TO
THE SPEAKER FROM THE CPUC IN IN
THAT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT
A TIME OF REALLY NOT MUCH GROWTH
TO A TIME OF SIGNIFICANT GROWTH
. AND SO IT'S THAT IT'S THAT
INFLECTION POINT ON THE GROWTH
CURVE THERE WERE AT AND THAT
THAT IS THAT TO ME IS MORE OF A
ROOT CAUSE AS TO WHY WE'RE IN
THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN, AND
THEN WE'RE JUST NOT REALLY
REACTING AS QUICKLY AS WE ALL
MIGHT LIKE IN THE EARLY YEARS OF
THAT INFLECTION CURVE, SO THAT
AND PART OF THAT INCREASES THIS
WHAT IS THIS? THIS 56% PROJECTED
INCREASE FROM 2025 TO 2035 AND
THE SYSTEM LEVEL PEAK LOAD.
THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO ANSWER,
SIR. AH CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR
QUESTION? YES THE STAFF. REPORT
CITES THAT KAVALA STUDY. UM UH,
FINDING PROJECTING A 56%
INCREASE ON SYSTEM LEVEL PEAK
LOAD. UH, FROM INCREASED FROM
2025 TO 2035. YES AND THERE
MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT
MIGHT EVEN INCREASE AS WE ARE
LOOKING AT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO
UPDATE THE DRAFT STUDY, WITH
ADDITIONAL DATA RELATED TO BOTH
BUILDING, ELECTRIFICATION AND
TRANSPORTATION, ELECTRIFICATION.
UM. IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE
DELAY OR THOSE BACKLOG. UM. IS
BECAUSE OF THE RAPIDLY CHANGING
ENERGY LANDSCAPE COMBINED WITH
THE UNDER YEAH. UNDERSTAFFING OR
OR MISALLOCATION OF STAFFING. OR
OR THE LACK OF STAFFING
NECESSARY TO MEET THE DEMAND. UM
. IS THERE ANY, UH, I MEAN,
THERE ARE THESE DELAYS, YOU
KNOW, CAUSE IN ANY WAY BY, UH
YOU KNOW? SOME OF THE COMMONLY
SILENT CITED REGULATORY
CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA, INCLUDING
SECRET REVIEW. DOES THAT INVOLVE
SEQUEL AT ALL? IN TERMS OF THE
QUESTION FOR PG ANY OF THEIR
FACES TO ENERGIZE ATION THAT MY
COLLEAGUE MATT WAS TALKING ABOUT
RIGHT THAT THOSE ARE JUST SMALL
UPGRADES WE'RE DOING AT THE
CLOSER TO THE CUSTOMER PREMISE
THAT DON'T GO THROUGH THE SEQUEL
REVIEW. TALKING ABOUT SECRETS,
MORE TRANSMISSION ORIENTED,
OKAY? SO SICK WAS MORE FOR
TRANSMISSION AND NOT UNLESS SO,
NOT ONLY FOR ENERGY IZATION BUT
ALSO FOR THIS FOR DISTRIBUTION
IN GENERAL MAJORITY OF THE
DISTRIBUTION UPGRADES CAN HAPPEN
WITHOUT SEQUA. THERE'S OTHER
PERMITTING THAT WE HAVE TO GET.
BUT UM, WHEN CHICO COMES INTO
PLAY IS WHEN WE WANT TO BUILD
NEW TRANSMISSION BUILDING NEW
SUBSTATION THAT DOESN'T EXIST
TODAY, AS LONG AS WE'RE MAKING
UPGRADES TO EXISTING SUBSTATION
OR BUILDING DISTRIBUTION ALONG
FRANCHISE AREAS, THE SECRET
DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY THERE
GENERALLY. UM I THINK MY LAST
QUESTION IS, UH UH, FOR THE FOR
THE PUC. UM IT'S MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT TEXAS
HAS DRAMATICALLY INCREASED ITS
TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION.
UH, UH, GRID. UH, WITHIN A SPAN
OF 10 YEARS FROM LIKE, MID TWO
THOUSAND'S, TOO. 2015 AND, UH,
PART OF THAT INVOLVES HAVING A
CENTRAL TRANSMISSION. AH!
PLANNING AGENCY. UM. COULD YOU
TELL ME WHETHER I'M IN THE RIGHT
BALLPARK? AND IF SO, YOU KNOW
WHAT, IF ANY LESSONS MAY THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAVE, UH, WE
HATE TO ADMIT THAT WE HAVE
ANYTHING TO LEARN FROM TEXAS.
BUT WE DO WE HAVE LESSONS TO
LEARN FROM TEXAS. UM, SO YOU
KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN
SPEAK TO THE DETAILS OF TEXAS,
BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF
THINGS ABOUT CALIFORNIA. SO WE
DO HAVE A CENTRAL, UM,
TRANSMISSION PLANNING ENTITY
WITH THE CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT
SYSTEM. OPERATOR THERE ARE SOME,
YOU KNOW, UH, PERMITTING
RESPONSIBILITIES FOR
TRANSMISSION THAT FALL ON THE
PUC, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT FOR
TRANSMISSION PLANNING, SO IS THE
HUB FOR THAT. UM AND THEN YOU
KNOW, I ALSO HAVE TO TELL
CALIFORNIA WE'VE BUILT IMMENSE
AMOUNTS OF TRANSMISSION OVER THE
LAST 10 YEARS. WE HAVE DIFFERENT
GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION GOALS
IN TEXAS. SO I THINK SOME OF THE
CONVERSATION AROUND THAT IS THAT
WE HAVE A LOT MORE THAT WE NEED
TO BUILD. AND THAT'S BECAUSE
CALIFORNIA IS THAT LEADER WITH
GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION GOALS.
UM AND GROWING OUR PROCUREMENT
OF RENEWABLE SIGNIFICANTLY SO UM
, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT. YEAH
JUST SHARE THAT CALIFORNIA AND
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BUILT AN
IMMENSE AMOUNT OF TRANSMISSION
OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, AND BUT
WE HAVE MORE TO DO, AND YOU'RE
RIGHT ABOUT THAT. BUT AM I
CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT
CAICEDO'S IS THE CENTRAL
TRANSMISSION LIKE TRAFFIC COP,
BASICALLY, IN TERMS OF WHERE AND
HOW THE ELECTRICITY COMES FROM,
AND WHERE TO MEET THE DEMAND. I
THINK WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT
WAS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
TEXAS HAS A CENTRAL TRANSMISSION
PERMITTING AGENCY PERMITTING. UM
I CAN'T SPEAK TO TEXAS
PERMITTING, BUT I THOUGHT YOU
HAD SAID PLANNING AND CHI SO IS
BOTH THE GRID OPERATOR AND THE
GRID PLANNER. SO IS THE PRIMARY
GRID PLANNER AND OPERATOR
OPERATOR FOR PERMITTING
CALIFORNIA DOES HAVE ITS OWN
SYSTEM OF PERMITTING THAT
INVOLVES, YOU KNOW, CPUC DOES
SOME PERMITTING FOR SEQUA, BUT
SOME SOME CONSTRUCTION INVOLVES
PERMITTING FROM LOCAL ENTITIES.
IT'S AS YOU KNOW, VERY COMPLEX.
MM HMM. IF I MIGHT ADD, AND THEY
HAVE EXPANDED THEIR PLANNING
HORIZON NOW LOOKING FOR A 2020
YEAR PLANNING FOR TRANSMISSION,
WHICH IS EXPANDING TO LOOK AT AT
THE NEEDS FOR THE LONGER TERM
FOR THE 2045 GOALS. I WILL ALSO
MENTIONED THAT IN OUR INTEGRATED
ENERGY POLICY REPORT THIS YEAR
THROUGH INTERCONNECTION, WE'RE
LOOKING AT BOTH, UM THE UTILITY
SCALE AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
AND WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER
AREAS OF THE COUNTRY FOR LESSONS
LEARNED THAT COULD BE VALUABLE
FOR CALIFORNIA SO THAT WILL BE
INCORPORATED INTO OUR ANALYSIS.
AND WHEN IS THAT REPORT REPORT
COMES OUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR
END OF THE YEAR, OKAY? UM VERY
SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE
STATE OF TEXAS. WE ARE LOOKING
AT ALL THE BALANCING OUR EXCUSE
ME ALL OF THE SYSTEM OPERATORS
IN THE COUNTRY. BECAUSE THERE
ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER ENTITIES
IN THE IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE
OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE
TALKED TO. THAT COULD BE VIABLE
HERE AS WELL. SO NOT JUST TEXAS
, BUT OTHER OTHER SYSTEM
OPERATORS. AND WHILE CAISO IS
THE PRIMARY, UH, PLANNER AND
OPERATOR PERMITTING, IS DONE.
LARGELY BETWEEN THE PUC AND
LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES FOR
TRANSMISSION. AS WELL AS UH,
DISTRIBUTION GRID. THE
PERMITTING FOR DISTRIBUTION GRID
. UM WELL, I THINK THE
REPRESENTATIVE FROM P. JANIE WAS
TALKING ABOUT THAT THAT YOU ARE
WORKING WITH LOCAL ENTITIES FOR
THAT. YEAH MOST OF WHEN WE'RE
JUST BUILDINGS, DISTRIBUTION
LINES AND SUCH RIGHT ARE, UM IN
FRANCHISE, USUALLY WORKING WITH
THE LOCAL ENTITIES. CALTRANS
RAILROADS, THOSE TYPE OF
ENTITIES TO GET THE PERMITS WE
NEED THAT GENERALLY DO NOT
REQUIRE SEQUENCE SO WE DON'T
HAVE TO GO TO THE BèC FOR THAT.
BUT YOU STILL NEED SOME
PERMITTING ANYTHING. YOU TOUCH
ANYTHING. YOU NEED SOME KIND OF
LOCAL JURISDICTIONAL PERMITTING,
YES. OKAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
MR WOOD. DOCTOR, WOULD YOU HAD
TO FOLLOW UP AND IT'S UM AS I
WAS LISTENING TO HER LISTENING
IT SO HELP ME GET THIS RIGHT, SO
I UNDERSTAND PART OF THE ROLE OF
C USES THE C E C IS OVERALL LOAD
FORECASTING CORRECT. YEP THAT I
HEARD THAT THE PUC ASKS EACH
INDIVIDUAL I O U TO GIVE THEM
SORT OF THEIR DEMAND. LOAD.
FORECAST AS WELL, CORRECT. UM,
I'LL CLARIFY THAT, UM WE
ESTABLISHED WORKING WITH THE CC
OR CPC. IN KELLY SO AND
UTILITIES, WE DEVELOPED THE
OVERALL SYSTEM WIDE FORECAST AND
A VARIETY OF SCENARIOS. FOR UM,
RESOURCE PLANNING AND FOR
TRANSMISSION, THE CPUC AND THE
CALLOUS, SO NCC WORK ON WHICH
ARE THOSE SCENARIOS WERE
UTILIZED FOR THOSE PURPOSES SO
STATEWIDE. UM WE PUT OUT ALL OF
OUR SCENARIOS AND THE UTILITIES
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND
IDENTIFY WHICH OF THOSE
SCENARIOS ARE MOST APPLICABLE TO
THEM, AND THE THREE HOUR USE
COLLECTIVELY COME TOGETHER AND
DECIDE. ON WHAT LOAD, UM,
FORECAST THAT THEY WANT TO USE
FOR THEIR SYSTEM PLANNING. AND
AS I UNDERSTAND THEY USE THE OUR
LOCAL RELIABILITY, WHICH IS THE
HIGHEST DEMAND FORECAST FOR
THEIR NEXT ITERATION, SO THEY
BASICALLY USED THE HIGHEST, UM,
FORECAST THAT WE HAVE FOR THEIR
PLANNING PURPOSES, AND THEN THEY
THEY TO SEGREGATED IF I
UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY WITHIN
THEIR OWN UTILITY AREA. OKAY ALL
RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT. JUST
IT SOUNDS A LITTLE COMPLICATED,
BUT, UM YES, IT IS COMPLICATED.
YES YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S VERY
COMPLICATED, ACCURATE FORECAST.
HOW ACCURATE ARE THEY? PEOPLE
FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS AN IOU
AND FROM PCP. YOU SEE HOW
ACCURATE ARE THE FORECAST? YOU
KNOW WHEN WE TAKE A FORECAST
THAT COMES THROUGH THE UPPER
RIGHT WE TAKE THAT FORECAST THAT
WE GET AT A BUS BAR LEVEL, WHICH
MEANS IT'S AT CERTAIN
TRANSMISSION BUSSES. WE TAKE
THAT AND WE DO A LOT OF
PROPENSITY MODELING TO TAKE THAT
DOWN TO OUR SUBSTATIONS DOWN TO
OUR, UH UM FEEDERS. RIGHT SO
WE'RE TAKING THOSE OVERALL
GROWTH RATES OF NOT ONLY LOAD
RIGHT, BUT ALSO DRS. WHAT'S
ENERGY EFFICIENCY? DOING WHAT
SOLAR DOING? WHAT CVS DOING?
WHAT'S RIGHT, WE LAYER ON ALL
THOSE LOAD SHAPES. SO THAT WE
GET A FORECAST AT THE END OF THE
DAY. THAT'S A ONE IN 10
FORECASTS, RIGHT COUNTING FOR
TEMPERATURE. TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE PLANNING FOR THAT SYSTEM.
PEEK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, RIGHT?
NOT AT THE SYSTEM LEVEL. WE'RE
TAKING THIS DOWN THAT WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE WE'RE PLANNING AT THE
FEEDER AND AT THE BANK LEVEL.
AND I WOULD SAY OUR FORECASTS
ARE GENERALLY VERY ACCURATE.
BASED ON WHETHER WE HAD A ONE
INTO ONE IN FIVE OR ONE IN 10
SUMMER, RIGHT? WE'RE FORECASTING
FOR ONE IN 10. LAST YEAR WITH
THE HEAT WAVE. WE HAD YEAH,
WE'RE AT THOSE ONE IN 10
FORECASTS. RIGHT IF WE HAPPEN TO
HAVE A VERY COOL SUMMER. WE MAY
BE BELOW THOSE FORECASTS BECAUSE
WE'RE FORECASTING AT 12 1 IN 10.
LEVEL OF TEMPERATURE AND HE
DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS SO I
WOULD SAY THE FORECASTS ARE VERY
ACCURATE. NOW WE ARE WRITING
INFLECTION POINT, RIGHT? LOT OF
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
COMING ONLINE. VERY EASY TO
MODEL. THE TV GROWTH THAT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN AT RESIDENTIAL
CUSTOMERS. LITTLE HARDER TO
MODEL. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
ALONG YOUR HIGHWAY CORRIDORS
WITH DC FAST CHARGING AND STILL
A LITTLE HARDER THAN MODEL. WHAT
ARE THE FLEET'S GOING TO DO IN
THE STATE? THAT'S WHY WE ARE
GOING OUT AND MEETING WITH ALL
THE FLEETS TO GET THEIR
INFORMATION. WHAT'S YOUR LOAD
RAMP? RIGHT IT'S SOMEBODY
RUNNING A FLEET OF 1000 VEHICLES
GOING TO HAVE 1000 VEHICLES THE
FIRST YEAR. PROBABLY NOT RIGHT.
IT'S GONNA BE OVER MULTIPLE
YEARS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE GET THAT ACCURATE WHEN WE
DISAGGREGATE. AND MAKE THOSE
FORECASTS SO THAT WE'RE BUILDING
FOR THE TIME THAT THEY'RE GOING
TO NEED IT RIGHT THE FIRST YEAR
, THEY MAY ONLY NEED A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF LOAD AND WE HAVE IT.
WE CONNECT THEM. BUT AS WE GO
OUT FURTHER FIVE YEARS FROM THEN
WE MAY NEED TO DO SOME MAJOR
INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT. AND WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PLAN FOR
THAT. SO WE'RE TAKING THOSE
FORECASTS WERE DISAGGREGATED HIM
TO THE SUBSTATION LEVEL TO THE
THEATER LEVEL, AND WE'RE COMING
UP WITH PLANS ON WHAT WE HAVE TO
DO. NOT TOMORROW, FIVE YEARS
FROM NOW, SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW,
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING
TO TAKE FOR SOME OF THE LARGE
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. AND
THEN THE KIND OF THE FINAL FINAL
FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS SO SOUNDS
LIKE CCS AT THE 50,000 FT LEVEL.
MAYBE THAT'S A GROSS
EXAGGERATION. YOU'RE AT THE
GROUND LEVEL AT THE END OF THE
DAY. HOW ACCURATE IS ALL THIS
WITHIN A FACTOR OF WHAT
PERCENTAGE WISE? ROUGHLY I WOULD
SAY PROBABLY, BUT THEN 10%
ACCURACY OF 90% ACCURACY OR 10%
VARIABILITY. BUT REMEMBER,
RIGHT, WE'RE TAKING THEIR TOP
DOWN, THEN WE HAVE INFORMATION.
MORE LOCALIZED, RIGHT? WE HAVE
HISTORICAL LOADS. WHAT ARE WE
SEEING IN THE AREA? WHAT KIND OF
APPLICATIONS? ARE WE GETTING?
WHAT ARE DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS
DOING? WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES
ARE WE SEEING? COME IN, SO IT'S
KIND OF A TOP DOWN AND BOTTOM UP
APPROACH TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
GETTING AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE WANTING TO
TALK TO THE FLEET OPERATORS.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE WANTING TO
TALK TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
AGENCY, THE CITIES THE COUNTY'S
TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON. SO WE
CAN GET MORE ACCURATE WITH THOSE
RIGHT WHICH WE GO TOP DOWN THAT
WERE COMING BOTTOM UP AND
MEETING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE
HAVE THE MOST ACCURATE FORECASTS
THAT ARE THERE SO WE CAN PLAN
FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE
NEEDED FIVE YEARS NOW. SEVEN
YEARS FROM NOW, AS THIS
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIC VACATION
COMES DOWN THE ROAD AS WE KNOW
IT IS. SO IF I MIGHT ADD ON FROM
OUR PERSPECTIVE, SO OUR DEMAND
FORECAST IS UTILIZED BY THE
PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION TO
ESTABLISH THE PROCUREMENT
NECESSARY TO BASICALLY MAINTAIN
ARE ONE IN 10 GRID STABILITY.
THE FACT THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT
AND MODELED WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE
MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE SEEING
THAT OUR DEMAND FORECAST AND THE
ORDER BEING PUT FORWARD BY CPUC
IS GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT IF WE
HAVE THOSE THOSE, YOU KNOW,
BASICALLY NORMAL PLANNING
SITUATIONS. IF WE DO HAVE IF WE
HAVE A SITUATION LIKE LAST YEAR,
WHICH WAS MORE LIKE I THINK ONE
IN 26, AS OPPOSED TO ONE IN 10.
UM THEN WE NEED ADDITIONAL
RESOURCES. WE DON'T PROCURE FOR
ONE IN 26. WE PROCURE FOR ONE IN
10. AND SO IN THOSE SITUATIONS,
WE DO HAVE TO HAVE CONTINGENCY
RESOURCES AND THE LEGISLATURE
ESTABLISHED LAST YEAR. THE
STRATEGIC RELIABILITY RESERVE,
WHICH IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE
SOME OF THAT CONTINGENCY OR
BACKSTOP SUPPORT. IF WE HAVE
THOSE EXCESSIVE HEAT WAVES THAT
WE DON'T PROCURE FOR, BUT WE
NEED TO KNOW THAT WE WANT TO
KEEP THE GRID OPERATING DURING
THOSE PERIODS, AND THAT'S WHAT
THAT IS FOR, SO IT'S A OUR
DEMAND FORECAST IN OUR
PROCUREMENT ARE WORKING IN IN
CONSTRUCT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE
THE GRID RELIABILITY THAT WE
NEED LOOKING FORWARD. THANK YOU
. I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT
THE BACKLOG AND HOW THAT'S KIND
OF CREATING A SIGNIFICANT
CHALLENGE. I HAVE QUESTION FOR
UTILITY REPRESENTATIVES HERE IN
TERMS OF HOW YOU PRIORITIZE
THESE APPLICATIONS THAT COME
THROUGH. IS THERE A METHODOLOGY
THAT YOU USE IS A FIRST COME
FIRST SERVE, UM, JUST PUT INTO
BETTER PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF
HOW IT IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW,
BUILDING, UM, DEVELOPER COMES IN
AND HAS A SIGNIFICANT LARGE
TRACK MAP THAT NEEDS TO GET
ONLINE. OR IS IT SOME ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT CIRCUMSTANCES? YOU
KNOW, SUCH AS THE CASE OF FRESNO
THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED JUST
INTERESTED IN KNOWING FROM BOTH
UTILITY REPRESENTATIVES. HOW HOW
IS IT THAT THESE APPLICATIONS
ARE PRIORITIZED? THANK YOU. UM
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE
STARTED DOING TO HELP KEEP US
FROM GETTING A BACKLOG FOR LARGE
PROJECTS IS WE'RE STARTING TO
CHARGING UPFRONT FEE. SO IF
YOU'RE GONNA PAY SOME MONEY,
THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT YOUR
STUFF. SO UM, BUT WE PRIORITIZE
IT BASED ON UM, ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE A
DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY THAT DOES
THAT. SO WE'RE WE ACTUALLY
WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM,
SO WE KNOW WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL
WITH THE WITH THE COMMUNITY IS
LOOKING FOR AND WHAT PROJECTS
ARE COMING. OBVIOUSLY THIS BOSCH
PROJECT THAT'S COMING IS VERY
HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. UM
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING TO BE
TOP OF THE HILL THIS BUT, UM,
WHERE WE TALKED TO THE
DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME ON THE
BOARD AS I MENTIONED WITH THE
LOCAL B I A AND WE JUST HAVE
CONSTANT COMMUNICATION. WE HAVE
A KEY ACCOUNTS PERSON PEOPLE
THAT GO AROUND AND MAKE SURE
THEY'RE TOUCHING BASE. FIND OUT.
YOU KNOW, THEY GO TO THE AUTUMN
ALL AND THEY FIND OUT WHAT'S
THERE. ELECTRIFICATION. PLANS.
UM SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
WE'RE DOING TO KEEP THE QUÊ
MANAGEABLE BUT ALSO ON THE
DEVELOPMENT SIDE AS FAR AS
HITTING RATES. I JUST WANTED TO
COMMENT THAT, UM OUR DEVELOPERS
PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR
THEIR SUBDIVISIONS. AND SO THAT
DOES NOT GO TO THE RATEPAYERS.
UM THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY DO TO
CONTRIBUTE. THERE ARE PARTNERS
AND SO WE WORKED TOGETHER, SO
THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY A BIG
HELP FOR US. THAT BE JENNY? YES
SIR. THANKS FOR THE QUESTION, SO
HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN FIRST IN
FIRST OUT, SO WE RECEIVE ABOUT
CALL IT 400 ISH APPLICATIONS
EVERY SINGLE WEEK FOR THIS TYPE
OF WORK, AND SO THAT'S BEEN THE
WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT. WE ARE
TRYING TO PIVOT TO MY ANSWERS TO
ASSEMBLYMAN WOODS QUESTIONS.
AROUND UM WHAT OUR GOALS ARE
OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TWO
YEARS. AND SO WHAT THAT WILL
REQUIRE IS A PIVOTING TO NEED
RATHER THAN FIRST IN FIRST OUT,
AND SO THOSE THAT NEED IT SOONER
. WE INTEND TO BEGIN TO TRY TO
PRIORITIZE IT SOONER. THANK YOU,
YOU KNOW, AND I ALSO ASKED IN
THE IN THE CONTEXT AND
PERSPECTIVE OF HOW DO WE ADDRESS
THE ISSUES OF ENERGY RELIABILITY
NEEDS IN POOR COMMUNITIES IN
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE UNSTABLE,
YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC SYSTEMS THAT
PERHAPS ARE IN SUBSTANDARD
HOUSING CIRCUMSTANCES RIGHT AND
SO HOW THEY FIT IN, AND THAT WAS
KIND OF PART OF WHY, YOU KNOW
THE CURIOSITY IS WHAT'S THE
PRIORITIZATION LOOKED LIKE, BUT
I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL TO
UNDERSTAND, DO YOU DO YOU THINK
THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW OTHER
WAYS OF GOING ABOUT IT? AND
MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR
LOCAL GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW,
REPRESENTATIVE HERE, COUNTY
SUPERVISOR AND OR THE BUILDER
THAT HAVE ANY PERSPECTIVES ON
HOW PRIORITIZATION COULD HELP
ADDRESS THE NEEDS IN THE LOCAL
COMMUNITY SUPERVISOR. WELL THEN
I'LL GO FIRST. YOU KNOW, UM AND
I THINK OUR CRC MENTIONED ABOUT
HOW SOUTHERN CAL AND HOW THEY
THEY DO A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO
WHAT'S COMING IN AND THEN AND
YOUR PART ABOUT ROOSEVELT. I
THINK EVERYWHERE THE DEVELOPER
PAYS FOR HIS OWN INFRASTRUCTURE
ON HIS SITE. IT'S GETTING IT TO
THE SITE, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE
IT'S PICKED UP. AND THEN THEY
PAY FOR THE HOOK UP. UM I DON'T
KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WOULD
STREAMLINE IT. BUT IT'S KIND OF
NICE THAT SOMEBODY IS PROBABLY
ASKING US AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY
ASKING, MR WEBB. HOW WOULD YOU
THINK WE COULD DO IT BETTER
BECAUSE HE'S THE CUSTOMER BEING
SERVED AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I
DID 12 YEARS AGO, I WENT INTO
THE PLANNING AND BUILDING
DEPARTMENT AND THEY WERE ALL
NERVOUS BECAUSE I KNEW A LOT OF
THE DEVELOPERS SO THEY WERE ALL
GOING TO USE MY NAME. THEY
THOUGHT A LOT AND I WENT TO HIM,
AND I SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS IT'S CUSTOMER
SERVICE, AND JUST BECAUSE WE'RE
THE ONLY ONES PROVIDING THE
WIDGETS. LET'S NOT ACT LIKE
WE'RE THE ONLY ONES AND THAT'S
WHAT A LOT OF THE TIME IS. YOU
CAN GET AS MAD AS AS HELL. BUT
YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO UPSET THEM AND MAYBE
GET PUT BACK FARTHER FIRST IN
FIRST OUT. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME
IT'S IN 2ND 3RD 4TH TIME. IT'S
WHEN THEY GET TO IT. IT SEEMS
LIKE AND THAT'S WHAT I HEAR FROM
DEVELOPERS ON OUR SIDE OF THE ON
OUR SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. YEAH,
I GUESS I CAN ADD A LITTLE MORE
TO THAT. UM FIRST I WANTED TO
GIVE ASSEMBLYMAN AND I APOLOGIZE
IF I DON'T GET THIS RIGHT NOW.
YEAH TO YOUR QUESTION ON UH WHAT
? WHAT WAS THE MAIN CAUSE FOR
THE DELAY IN MY PROJECT INTO THE
COMMENTS WE HEARD FROM PG ME. I
WOULD JUST WANT TO BACK UP AND
JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T MY
DESIGN CONSULTANT IN OUR
FOURSOME MIDDLES. WE HAD FOUR
SOME MEDALS FOR PARTICULAR
REASON, WHICH I'LL GET TO THAT
IN A SECOND. BUT IT WAS THE 1ST
4.5 TO 6 MONTHS. WE WERE WAITING
ON PG ANY TO PROVIDE US THE
NECESSARY INFORMATION AND WON
APPROVAL TO WHERE WE CAN SUBMIT
OUR INITIAL DESIGN. AND THEN
FROM THERE, THINGS WENT RATHER
ROUTINELY UNTIL THERE WAS, UH I
WOULD SAY A MISTAKE BUT A LACK
OF AWARENESS ON THE DESIGN
ENGINEER IN PG KNEE ON A PORTION
OF THE WORK, SO WE HAD TO SPLIT
THE PROJECT INTO AND THAT'S WHY
WE HAD THE FORCE OF MIDDLE. UM
SO IT WASN'T ON MY DESIGN
CONSULTANT WHO HAS HUNDREDS, IF
NOT THOUSANDS OF THESE THINGS,
UH, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE ALL
FORMER PGD EMPLOYEES. UH, BUT TO
THE QUESTION FROM CHERRY GARCIA
. HOW TO STREAMLINE THIS. YOU
KNOW, MY ANSWER IS THE SAME AS
REX. I DON'T KNOW. UH I LIKE THE
IDEA THAT PG ANY IS PRIORITIZING
KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LITTLE TRIAGE
UNIT IF YOU WILL, UM, BECAUSE I
KNOW MY PROJECT WHEN IT GOT
DELAYED AND DELAYED. I WAS
ASKING MY LOCAL REP. HIS BOSS,
HIS BOSS'S BOSS AND HIS BOSS'S
BOSS'S BOSS TO EXPEDITE IT
THROUGH, UM. I CAN'T TELL YOU IF
THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT, I
DON'T. I DON'T FEEL AS IT WAS
BECAUSE I NEVER I NEVER GOT THE
RESPONSE I WAS LOOKING FOR. UM
THEN I REACHED OUT TO
ASSEMBLYMAN GALLAGHER.
ASSEMBLYMAN PATTERSON, UM, AND
THEY DID SOME WORK HERE. WHETHER
OR NOT THAT WAS FRUITFUL. I
DON'T KNOW. I THINK EVENTUALLY
IT JUST YOU KNOW TO FRUITION,
AND IT CAME TO THE POINT WHERE
WE'RE 14 MONTHS AND INTO THIS,
AND NOW WE'RE ENERGIZED. UM I
SPOKE TO A LOCAL ENGINEER UP AND
READING THIS MORNING ON THE WAY
DOWN. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN POU,
IF YOU DON'T KNOW. THIS PROCESS
THAT PG ME. WELL, I DON'T KNOW
IF PG ANY OUTLINE THIS BUT THIS
CUSTOMER PROJECT LIFECYCLE. THEY
DO THAT IN ABOUT TWO MONTHS. I
DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS ADDS UP TO,
BUT IT'S A LOT MORE THAN TWO
MONTHS, SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD
REACH OUT TO READING ABOUT YOU.
ROOSEVELT'S TIMELINES A LOT
SHORTER THAN THIS. THE
COMMUNICATION IS A BIG ONE. THE
ACCESSIBILITY TO TALK TO THE
INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS YOUR PLANS A
BIG ONE. LIKE WE TEACH OUR
CHILDREN. IF THERE'S NOT
CONSEQUENCES, IS THERE GONNA BE
ANY ACTION? IS ANYTHING GOING TO
CHANGE? I THINK THAT'S A BIG
ONE. WHOEVER CAN PUT THE HAMMER
ON THEM NEEDS TO PUT THE HAMMER
ON HIM. BECAUSE THIS THIS IS AS
ASSEMBLY MAINTAIN THIS IS
SYSTEMIC AND I HAVE NO
CONFIDENCE THAT BY 2024 2025, IT
WILL BE RESOLVED. I MEAN, WE'VE
BEEN TO MEETINGS AT THE LOCAL
CHICO OFFICE WHEN YOU CAN
ACTUALLY GO IN THE OFFICE WITH
THE BIGWIGS IN PG KNEW THEY'D
COME UP WHEN WE R B I A CHAPTER
WAS COMPLAINING. THIS IS BACK IN
THE TWO THOUSANDS, AND NOTHING
EVER WAS RESOLVED SO YOU'VE GOT
YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU. WELL,
WE CERTAINLY EMPATHIZE GIVEN UM
WHAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY AND WE'VE
HEARD LAST WEEK AND A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. THAT THE
INABILITY TO MOVE QUICKER RIGHT
IS REALLY CAUSING A LOT OF
DELAYS IN A LOT OF FRONTS AND
THE HOUSING CRISIS IN CALIFORNIA
CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM, RIGHT? UH
I'M CURIOUS TO GET SOME
PERSPECTIVE HERE AND PERHAPS NOT
FROM THE, UM, CPC CC UNLESS
THERE IS SOME TO PROVIDE IS THE
GOVERNOR LAST WEEK ANNOUNCED AN
ACCELERATED, YOU KNOW AGENDA AS
IT RELATES TO INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENT AND KEY POINTS ARE
INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT RELATES TO
TRANSMISSION AND
INTERCONNECTION. UM AND OF
COURSE, COULD SPILL OVER TO
OTHER AREAS OF MOVING. UM
PROCESSES A LOT QUICKER. I'M
WONDERING IF WE CAN KIND OF GO
AROUND THE TABLE AND JUST
PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS AND
PERSPECTIVES AND MAYBE WEIGHING
IN ON WHAT AREAS COULD AND
SHOULD BE A FOCUS OF THAT
CONVERSATION, GIVEN THAT IT WAS
DROPPED LAST WEEK. OF COURSE,
IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN
EXPLORING. I KNOW DOCTOR WOULD
MENTIONED THERE WERE A HANDFUL
OF BILLS INTRODUCED AT THE
BEGINNING OF SESSION THAT TRIED
TO ACHIEVE THE SAME OBJECTIVES
WHICH IS ACCELERATING PROCESSES
TO GET TO THE END GOAL. SO I'M
JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY
PERSPECTIVE, GIVEN THE RECENT
ANNOUNCEMENT OF WHERE WE WANT TO
GO. WELL ANY ANY KIND OF, UM,
SPEED UP AND THOSE KIND OF
PROCESS IS GOING TO BE GREAT,
BUT I WANT TO REEMPHASIZE AND I
RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH
FORMER COMMENT THAT THIS SUPPLY
CHAIN IS TRANSITORY. THIS IS NOT
TOILET PAPER. THESE ARE
TRANSFORMERS, AND WE DO NOT HAVE
STEEL CAPABILITY IN AMERICA. WE
DO NOT HAVE LARGE TRANSFORM
MANUFACTURING IN AMERICA. AND SO
THERE'S A REAL PROBLEM IN THE
STEEL THAT'S USING TRANSFORMERS
COMPETES WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES
. SO IF YOU DO THE MATH, YOU
REALIZE THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET
BETTER ANYTIME SOON. SO ALL THE
PROCESS. STUFF IS GREAT. IT
SHOULD HAPPEN. IT'S WE NEED TO
KEEP MOVING THIS PROGRESS THESE
PROGRESS PROJECTS FORWARD, BUT
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO
EXASPERATE AND SHOW UP MORE IN
SUPPLY CHAIN OVER TIME. TO THE
POINT. YEAH I THINK ITS SUPPLY
CHAIN WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT
SEPARATION, THE LARGER EQUIPMENT
THAT WE NEED RIGHT SUBSTATION
TRANSFORMERS, WHICH USED TO BE
NINE WEEKS ARE NOW TWO YEARS TO
30 KV BREAKERS. AND THEN 100
WEEKS NOW THEY USED TO BE 48 52
WEEKS, SO I THINK SUPPLIES CHAIN
IS AN ISSUE AND WITH ALL THE
BUILD, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO
FOR TRANSMISSION. AS WELL AS FOR
T RIGHT BUILDING EXPANDING
SUBSTATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO NEED
A LOT OF THOSE PLIES STEEL IS
ANOTHER ISSUE. IF YOU NEED A
STEEL POLE TIMELINE TERM GOING
UP, AND THEY'RE IN THEIR
INCREASING, UM EVERY WEEK, SO I
THINK SUPPLY CHAIN IS ONE OF THE
ISSUES AS WELL AS WORKING
THROUGH ALL THE PROCESSES. ON
THE GENERATOR SIDE MANAGING THE
QUÊ LIKE WHAT IS WHAT IS REAL.
THAT'S IN THE QUEUE, RIGHT? PGD
ALONE HAS ALMOST 50,000
MEGAWATTS IN THE QUEUE ON THE
TRANSMISSION SIDE ARE PEAK IS
ONLY 22 RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO
THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG QUEUE. SO
I THINK THE CASE WAS WORKING ON
THAT THEY'VE GOT IMPROVEMENT
EFFORT UNDERWAY AND WE SUPPORT
THAT. UM BUT I THINK WE NEED TO
CLEAN UP THE CUTE. AND ON
ANOTHER ROUTE AS SOMEBODY'S
TALKING ABOUT THE BRIDGEVILLE.
TO A GARBERVILLE LINE. YOU'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO SOME
SORT SEND THAT MEMO FROM THE
GOVERNOR TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL
GROUPS AT THE SAME TIME, TOO,
BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET SUED
FROM HIGH HEAVEN FOR EVERYTHING.
AND UNTIL WE GET AN AGREEMENT
WITH THEM, OR AT LEAST HAVE THEM
AT THE TABLE AT THE BEGINNING
AND EXPLAIN TO HIM THAT 80% OF
EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO GO
THROUGH IT AS GREEN POWER OR
WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THAT'S
GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AND THAT'S
GOING TO BE A BIG STALLING
POINT. ALONG WITH THE SUPPLY
LINE. THANK YOU. I GUESS I COULD
REFRAME THE QUESTION RIGHT, JUST
BASED ON THE FIRST RESPONSES TO
CPC AND CCR, WE CONSIDERING IN
OUR TIMELINES, THIS SUPPLY CHAIN
UM, INTERRUPTION TO ADD TO, UM
THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCE OF
MOVING FASTER. I MEAN, SO, UM, I
WILL CHIME IN AND REITERATE SOME
OF THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE
EARLIER ABOUT THE, UH, THE OTHER
EQUIPMENT. SO PREVIOUSLY WE HAD
HEARD SOLAR AND STORIES,
PARTICULARLY DURING COVID. THOSE
WERE THE THINGS THAT WERE SUPPLY
CHAIN ISSUES. AND UM, WE'RE
HEARING A LOT MORE FROM
DEVELOPERS THAT YOU KNOW THAT
SEEMS TO BE SMOOTHING OUT TO
SOME EXTENT. BUT WHAT IS NOT
SMOOTHING OUT ARE THE
TRANSFORMERS AND OTHER OTHER
ANCILLARY EQUIPMENT THAT'S
NECESSARY TO PUT THESE PROJECTS
INTO MOTION. AND UM, THAT WE
ACTUALLY HAD SOME CONVERSATION
AT THE IEPER WORKSHOP. IS THERE
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
STATE TO GET AHEAD OF THIS? UM
AND WOULD THERE BE AN
OPPORTUNITY AND NOT NECESSARILY
A STATE FUNCTION BUT COMBINED
FUNCTION FOR BULK PURCHASING AND
GET THEM CHEAPER? GET THEM
FASTER. UM I THINK THAT IS A
POSSIBILITY. HOWEVER THERE IS
COMPETITION. UM IF YOU'VE READ
ANY OF THE PAPERS AND ANYTHING
NEW YORK TIMES DID ARTICLE ABOUT
TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO. THIS IS
A PROBLEM AROUND THE NATION, AND
SO AS A STATE, WE NEED TO GET
AHEAD OF IT AND THINK ABOUT HOW
WE COLLECTIVELY CAN WORK TO
OVERCOME SOME OF THESE
CHALLENGES. WE DON'T HAVE THE
ANSWERS YET, BUT I THINK WE NEED
TO HAVE SOME THINKING LIKE THAT
IN TERMS OF OVERCOMING THESE
INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES AND SUPPLY
CHAIN ISSUES. NOTHING ELSE TO
ADD. THANK YOU. YEAH I'D LIKE TO
ADD JUST, UM, SOME DISAGREEMENT
ON THE TRANSFORMER FRONT. AND SO
I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND. UM
SINCE THOSE ORIGINATED WITH ME,
I WILL SAY THAT THE DISTRIBUTION
LEVEL TRANSFORMERS SO AGAIN THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
INTERCONNECTION AND ENERGY
IZATION PROJECTS SO PG ANY
PURCHASES OVER 40,000
TRANSFORMERS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
WE'VE MADE A MOVE VERY EARLY ON
IN THE PANDEMIC TO SECURE
ADDITIONAL SUPPLY LINES. FOR THE
FOR THE SUPPLY OF PG ANY
CUSTOMERS, AND SO I DON'T
BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE LONG AND
AN ISSUE HAVING TRANSFORMERS AS
A DISTRIBUTION TRANSFORMERS AS
AN IMPACT TO OUR PROJECT
TIMELINES. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS
ALL PLANNING. WE'RE BUILDING
PROJECTS HERE RIGHT. SO THOSE
THOSE TIMELINES ARE NOW KNOWN
AND CAN BE INCORPORATED AND CAN
BE WORKED AND MITIGATED. SO THAT
WOULD JUST BE THE AD I WANTED TO
MAKE. THANK YOU FOR THAT
RESPONSE. I'M GONNA LOOK TO MY
COLLEAGUES TO SEE IF THERE ARE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF ANY OTHER
PANELS. YES, PLEASE. SO I ASKED
. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO THIS IS THIS WAS A VERY
DIFFERENT TAX QUESTION HERE. SO,
UM UNDERSTANDING THAT THE
UTILITIES HAVE ENDORSED A
PROPOSAL THAT WOULD CHANGE THE
STRUCTURE IN WHICH THEY RECEIVED
MONEY FOR ENERGY IZATION FOR
CUSTOMERS. SO UM AS I UNDERSTAND
IT. THE PROPOSAL WOULD ALLOW
UTILITIES TO SPEND MORE THAN THE
AMOUNT OF THEIR THAT THAT
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO THE GRC, UM
AND EFFECTIVELY THEN THEY'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO RECOUP THAT AT
SOME POINT TO ME. IT FEELS A
LITTLE LIKE A CREDIT CARD. UM
AND MAY SEEM LIKE A GOOD SHORT
TERM FIX, BUT ULTIMATELY
RATEPAYERS AREN'T RATEPAYERS
GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
THAT? THEY ARE. OKAY SO HOW DOES
THE PUC FEEL ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE
THIS IS EFFECTIVELY GOES AROUND
THE GRC. I REALLY APPRECIATE
THAT QUESTION. I'M PREPARED TO
ANSWER IT. UM SO I DO WANT TO
FIRST SAY THAT. YOU KNOW, I DO
NOT WANT TO PREJUDGE ANY KIND OF
APPLICATION FOR WHAT YOU'RE
DESCRIBING AS A BALANCING
ACCOUNT STRUCTURE AND I DON'T
WANT TO PREJUDGE ANY BALANCING
ACCOUNT THAT MIGHT COME BEFORE
OUR COMMISSIONERS FOR A VOTE,
BUT I DID WANT TO COMMENT ON A
FEW THINGS IN RELATION TO THIS
SO FIRST BALANCING ACCOUNTS ARE
CURRENTLY USED IN A LIMITED
NUMBER OF CIRCUMSTANCES. UM AND
WE KEEP THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES
LIMITED BECAUSE OF THIS ISSUE
THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT
THEY'RE SPENT THERE WOULD BE
SPENDING OCCURRING THAT WOULD BE
COLLECTED FROM CUSTOMERS WITH,
UM, A LACK OF REVIEW THERE WOULD
BE, YOU KNOW AN AUDIT, PERHAPS
AT THE BACK END. UM TO AN EXTENT
, BUT THEY WOULD BE COLLECTING
FROM CUSTOMERS. AND SO WE HAVE
USED BALANCING ACCOUNTS IN SOME
CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WE'VE MADE
THEM VERY LIMITED FOR THAT
REASON. UM THERE ARE A DIFFERENT
TYPE OF ACCOUNT CALLED A
MEMORANDUM ACCOUNT. IT IS NOT AS
FAVORED BY UTILITIES BECAUSE IT
CREATES A PATHWAY OF FOR COST
RECOVERY, BUT THEY ARE NOT
ALLOWED TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS
UNTIL THERE IS A REASONABLENESS
REVIEW DONE THROUGH A FORMAL
STAKEHOLDER PROCESS AND
DISCOVERY AND, UM, A DEEP DIVE
INTO THE REASONABLENESS OF THOSE
COSTS THAT WERE SPENT SO
TYPICALLY IF THERE, UM WE WOULD
BE YOU KNOW AGAIN, I WOULDN'T
WANT TO PREJUDGE, BUT MORE
LIKELY TO USE A MEMORANDUM
ACCOUNT. THEN A BALANCING
ACCOUNT AS YOU DESCRIBED BECAUSE
OF THOSE CONCERNS. I DID WANT TO
ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW THE
SEAT. AS I SAID THE CPUC DOES
USE THE BALANCING ACCOUNTS IN A
VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF
CIRCUMSTANCES. UM RECENTLY THAT
HAS UNDERGONE SOME SCRUTINY FROM
THE ASSEMBLY AND, UM AND AUDIT
WAS ORDERED BY THE STATE AUDITOR
TO AUDIT ARE LIMITED USE OF
THOSE BALANCING ACCOUNTS. SO YOU
KNOW, AT THIS TIME, I WOULDN'T
FEEL COMFORTABLE ENDORSING AN
IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO USE
SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THEM TO
JUST BE ABLE TO SPEND. CONTINUE
TO JUST KEEP SPENDING THIS
MONEY. UM AND COLLECTING AND
GOING AHEAD AND COLLECTING IT
FROM CUSTOMERS IN ORDER TO HELP
WITH. I DON'T KNOW, JUST GETTING
MORE CASH FLOW OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT. IT WOULD BE VERY HESITANT
TO ENDORSE AN IDEA LIKE THAT AT
THIS TIME. UM AND THEN YOU KNOW
SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DID, YOU
KNOW, WANT TO POINT OUT IS, UM
YOU KNOW, OTHER UTILITIES HAVE
NOT ASKED FOR THIS KIND OF
TREATMENT IN ORDER TO GET THIS
WORK DONE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SIX
GENERAL RATE CASES THAT ARE
GOING ON WITH OUR ELECTRIC
UTILITIES RIGHT NOW, ALL AT THE
SAME TIME WE TRY AND STAGGER
THEM. BUT AT THIS TIME WE HAVE
SIX WE HAD ONE P GENIES IS
COMING TO A CONCLUSION THIS
SUMMER, BUT WE HAD SD JENNY'S
FILED LAST YEAR. UM WE HAD
ADDISON'S FILED THIS MONTH.
OTHER UTILITIES HAVE NOT ASKED
FOR THIS KIND OF REGULATORY
TREATMENT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND IN
THAT WAY WITH LIMITED OVERSIGHT
IN ORDER TO GET SOME OF THIS
WORK DONE SO AGAIN. I DON'T WANT
TO PREJUDGE IN CASE YOU KNOW IF
A PROPOSAL LIKE THAT COMES TO
THE COMMISSION AND IS BEFORE THE
COMMISSIONERS, BUT AT THIS TIME
UM I HAVE SOME CONCERNS, WHICH
YOU KNOW I'VE SHARED SO. FROZEN
HAND WANTED TO CHIME IN. THANK
YOU JUST WANTED TO RESPOND, SO
WE HAVE 75 DIFFERENT BALANCING
ACCOUNTS THAT SHE'S REFERENCING
AT PG AND E. UM I WOULD SAY THAT
DYNAMIC FUNDING IN A TIME OF
DYNAMIC CHANGE, EVEN IF IT'S IN
A LIMITED TERM AND NOT A FOREVER
SOLUTION. WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE
IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT
. UM THE OTHER THOUGHT I WOULD
PROVIDE TO YOU ALONG THOSE LINES
IS, UH TO, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU TO
LOOK AT THE DISCUSSIONS ONGOING
AROUND GAS AND THE ELIMINATION
OF THE ALLOWANCES FOR GAS, NEW
SERVICES WITHIN THE STATE. AND
SO THERE IS SOME DISCUSSIONS
RIGHT NOW BETWEEN THE I. O. U S
AND THE CPUC AROUND COLLECTING
ON ACTUALS VERSUS COLLECTING ON
ESTIMATED COSTS OF NEW SERVICE
CONNECTIONS. AND SO THERE ARE
SOME IMPLICATIONS FOR
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AND
THE SOCIALIZATION OF THE OVER
RIDGES FROM AN ESTIMATED COST TO
A NEW SERVICE CONNECTION, SO
THERE MIGHT BE SOME IDEAS YOU
COULD EXPLORE THERE. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MY
COLLEAGUE, SCENE AND UH, I GUESS
CONCLUDED, SAYING THANK YOU TO
THE PANELISTS WHO HAVE
PARTICIPATED WITH US TODAY
ENLIGHTENED US SOME AREAS AND
OTHER AREAS. I GUESS JUST KIND
OF ADDING TO THE LEVEL OF
INTENSITY AND FRUSTRATION THAT
UNFORTUNATELY EXIST IN THIS
SPACE OF WORK THAT THAT WE'RE
DEALING WITH NONETHELESS, UM,
THERE ARE SOME TAKEAWAYS AND SO
WE APPRECIATE YOU PARTICIPATING
WITH US THIS AFTERNOON. AT THIS
TIME, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR
PUBLIC COMMENTS AGAIN. THANK YOU
AGAIN TO THE PALACE. PUBLIC
COMMENTS. IF YOU PLEASE STATE
YOUR NAME YOUR AFFILIATION AND
YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW JUST ENOUGH
TIME TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS
DURING PROTO COMMENT. THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. MR CHAIR. I'LL
KEEP IT. BRIEF ISRAEL SALAS WITH
SAN DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC. I
GUESS FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR PUTTING THIS
HEARING TOGETHER AND FOR YOUR
ATTENTION ON THIS ISSUE. UM I
GUESS I'LL JUST BEGIN BY
SECONDING THE COMMENTS BY OUR
COLLEAGUES OVER AT PG AND E
RELATIVE TO THE NEED FOR A MORE
DYNAMIC AND A MORE NIMBLE COST
RECOVERY PROCESS IN BETWEEN RAPE
CASE CYCLES THAT IS BETTER ABLE
TO RESPOND AND ADAPT TO A
CUSTOMER DRIVEN DISTRIBUTION
GRID UPGRADES. WE JUST BELIEVE
THAT THE CURRENT RATE CASE
PROCESS WAS NOT DESIGNED TO
RESPOND. TO THE NEEDS OF RAPID
BUT UNPREDICTABLE TRANSFORMATION
OF THE ELECTRIC GRID. AND JUST
GENERALLY WHILE AT SD GINNY,
WE'RE NOT EXPERIENCING THE SAME
LEVEL OF CHALLENGES ON THE
ENERGY IZATION FRONT. UM
DESCRIBED TODAY WE DO HAVE SOME
CONCERNS ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO
KEEP PACE AS WE SEE MORE
ELECTRIFICATION ON THE GRID. SO
AGAIN JUST WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR THIS HEARING TODAY
AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING
WITH YOU ON POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, JOHN
KENNEDY WITH RURAL COUNTIES.
MANY OF OUR LOCALS HAVE BEEN
HAVING THESE PROBLEMS FOR YEARS.
THESE PROBLEMS PREDATE COVID,
AND THESE ISSUES AREN'T
TRANSITORY IN NATURE. WE'VE BEEN
HAVING THEM FOR OVER A DECADE.
THE LACK OF BEING ABLE TO
PROVIDE POWER AND IN A TIMELY
MANNER HAS REALLY CHILLED
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING
AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS, AND
NOW THE STATE'S TRANSITION TO
CLEAN ENERGY. AND
DECARBONIZATION. SO APPRECIATE
THE HEARING. THIS IS EXACTLY
WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE NEED TO
HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND
FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO
BETTER. SO WHAT CAN WE DO? WE
CAN INCREASE COORDINATION NOT
JUST TO GET PEOPLE TALKING TO
ANOTHER BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS
HELPFUL. BUT TO INFORM THESE
DISTRIBUTION PLANS TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE DISTRIBUTION PLANS ARE
FAR MORE ACCURATE, UM, WITH
RESPECT TO THE ACTUAL LOCAL
NEEDS ON THE GROUND. THAT IS A
LONG, LONG, LONG OVERDUE AND
THEN SHARING THAT INFORMATION SO
WE CAN APPROPRIATELY PLAN AS
LOCALS WHERE THOSE PROJECTS NEED
TO GO. WE DON'T WANT TO PLAN FOR
AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS
SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'RE NEVER
GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET POWER TO
IT, SO WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER
TO RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES. AND YOU
KNOW, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO
RETOOL AND REIMAGINE THE
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING PROCESS
AND THE APPLICATION PROCESS TO
MAKE SURE THEY'RE MUCH MORE
NIMBLE. IT'S NOT JUST NIMBLENESS
ON THE FUNDING SIDE NIMBLENESS
ON THE PLANNING AND APPLICATION
SIDE AS WELL. SO LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH YOU ALL IN THE
FUTURE. THANK YOU, MR WOOD FOR
YOUR LEGISLATION. I THINK IT'S
DEFINITELY MOVE IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
CHAIR REMEMBERS ALICIA PRIEGO
AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF
SOUTHPORT FINANCIAL, WHICH IS
THE DEVELOPER OF THE CENTENNIAL
GARDENS AFFORDABLE HOUSING
PROJECT IN SANTA MARIA AND THANK
YOU FOR THE THOROUGH DISCUSSION
HERE AND DON'T I DON'T THINK I
NEED TO UNDERSCORE THE URGENCY
FOR NENE TO ADDRESS EXISTING
DELAYS IN ENERGY IZATION, BUT
CENTENNIAL GARDENS IS A MULTI
FAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING
COMPLEX WITH 160 UNITS WITH A
MIX OF 70 60 53 30% AM I UNITS
IN SANTA MARIA. THIS PROJECT HAS
BEEN WAITING, UM, COMMUNICATION
FOR OVER SEVEN MONTHS ON A
POTENTIAL TIMELINE FOR
CONSTRUCTION DATE FOR HOOK UP,
AND, UM, TENANTS HAVE BEEN
WAITING SINCE JANUARY TO MOVE IN
. UM WE ARE JUST BEGINNING
CONVERSATIONS WITH PG AND HOPE
TO HAVE A TIMELINE. SOON BUT THE
COST EXPOSURE ON THIS COMPLEX IS
OVER $100,000 EVERY MONTH THAT
THIS PROJECT IS OFFLINE. AH UM
IT MEANS YOU KNOW THE DEMAND FOR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CALIFORNIA
AS FAR OUT OUTPACING THAT THE
SUPPLY OF HOUSING SO DEFINITELY
THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING AND
HOPEFULLY FINDING SOLUTIONS TO
THIS CRITICAL ISSUE. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIR GARCIA AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS
ALISON HILLIARD ON BEHALF OF
REIMAGINED POWER AND THE MICRO
GRID RESOURCES COALITION. THANK
YOU FOR HOSTING THIS OVERSIGHT
HEARING ON INTERCONNECTION
CHALLENGES IN PRIORITIZING THE
ISSUE IN THE LEGISLATURE. WE
SUPPORT ALL EFFORTS TO
ACCELERATE INTERCONNECTION 10
TIMELINES AND SUPPORT THE STATE
MAKING NEW INVESTMENTS IN
INTERCONNECTION RESOURCES, BOTH
PERSONNEL AND TECHNOLOGY
SOLUTIONS THAT WILL HELP
EXPEDITE THE STREAMLINE. UM, THE
INTERCONNECTION PROCESS FOR ALL
WE ENCOURAGE THE LEGISLATURE TO
MORE LOOK MORE CLOSELY
CONSIDERING MICROGRIDS AND ON
SITE POWER RESOURCES AS A
SOLUTION TO HELP ME IMMEDIATE
CUSTOMER ENERGY NEEDS, GIVEN THE
CURRENT INTERCONNECTION,
TIMELINE, CONSTRAINTS AND
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS ON THE
GRID. MICRO GRIDS CAN BE
DEPLOYED QUICKLY ACROSS THE
STATE TO PROVIDE ON SITE POWER
TO CUSTOMERS, SO THEY DO NOT
HAVE TO WAIT MONTHS OR YEARS IN
THE QUEUE FOR ELECTRIC SERVICE.
MICROGRIDS CAN SERVE IMMEDIATE
POWER NEEDS FOR CUSTOMERS WHILE
THEY GO THROUGH THE FULL
INTERCONNECTION PROCESS AND
COULD BE INTEGRATED TO PROVIDE
OTHER GRID BENEFITS TO THE
SYSTEM. ONCE INTERCONNECTION IS
APPROVED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION AND YOUR
LEADERSHIP ON THIS IMPORTANT
ISSUE. MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS BETH
ALLISON ON BEHALF OF THE
AGRICULTURAL ENERGY CONSUMERS
ASSOCIATION. APPRECIATE THE TIME
IN THE HEARING TODAY. UM WE
APPRECIATE HOW PG AND E SAID
THEY'RE GONNA YOU KNOW, CONNECT
EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE BACKLOG
BY THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT THAT
ASSUMES THAT THEY HAVE POWER
THERE TO CONNECT. UM YOU KNOW
WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE AG AND
FOOD PROCESSING WORLD IS THE
POWER IS NOT. THEY'RE UM THEY'RE
SAYING, OKAY, YOU CAN RUN NOT
FROM YOU KNOW NOON TO SIX OR
NOON TO NINE. OR WE CAN GIVE YOU
HALF THE POWER AND IN FIVE YEARS
WE CAN GIVE YOU THE REST OF THE
POWER. UM, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF
CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING.
AND AS WE SEE AS WE ARE BEING
PUSHED TO ELECTRIFY FORKLIFTS
AND TRUCKS, WE CAN'T GET THE
POWER THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW.
WHERE'S THE POWER GOING TO COME
WHEN WE NEED TO PLUG IN, YOU
KNOW, ONE MEGAWATT FAST CHARGER
FOR ONE TRUCK. UM THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE'RE NOT
SEEING THE DISTRIBUTION PLANNING
BEING THERE TO UPGRADE
SUBSTATIONS. P GENIE IN THEIR
DISTRIBUTION PLAN ONLY HAS ONE
SUB NEW SUBSTATION GETTING BUILT
ONE IN THE WHOLE TERRITORY, NOT
JUST IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY. UM
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS
WE'RE LOOKING AT. NOT JUST
CONNECTING WHEN THERE IS POWER.
WE HOPE THE COMMITTEE CAN
ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES AS
WE ARE TRYING TO ELECTRIFY THE
SECTOR AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE
GOING TO DO ALL OF THAT. AND ON
TOP OF THIS, THROWING MORE MONEY
AT IT ISN'T THE PROBLEM. UM
WE'RE LOOKING AT 45% RATE
INCREASES BEING PROPOSED FOR PG
UNION EDISON SO HOW ARE WE GOING
TO DO THIS AND KEEP ELECTRICITY
AFFORDABLE AT THE SAME TIME? WE
APPRECIATE YOU GUYS ARE ASKING
THOSE QUESTIONS AND LOOKING INTO
THOSE ISSUES AND LOOK FORWARD TO
THAT FOR FUTURE. FURTHER
CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, VINCE. WE'RE
AT MAJA WITH SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC
, WHO'S ALSO A MEMBER OF THE
MICRO GRID RESOURCES COALITION.
I'D LIKE TO ALIGN OURSELVES WITH
THE COMMENTS THAT MRC PUT
FORWARD AND ALSO JUST LOOK A
LITTLE BIT INTO THE FUTURE AND
FLAGGED FOR THE FACT THAT AS WE
LOOK AT SPENDING ALL THESE
BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE
DOLLARS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE UPGRADING OUR GRID TO
BE DIGITIZED TO BE ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE. FROM THE USER TO
THE I O U S AND BACK DOWN AND
ENSURE THAT WE ARE PROPERLY
LEVERAGING THE SOFTWARE LAYERS
THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE
TECHNOLOGIES IN ORDER TO BEST
OPTIMIST THE GRID. THANK YOU FOR
THE TIME FOR THIS HEARING. THANK
YOU SEE NO ONE ELSE LINED UP FOR
PUBLIC COMMENTS I WANTED AGAIN.
THANK THE PANELISTS WANT TO
THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR
PARTICIPATION, AND, UH, THIS
MEETING IS ADJOURNED.