OKAY GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE
WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED WITH
THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE
UTILITIES AND ENERGY COMMITTEE
WE DO HAVE TWO BILLS ON CONSENT
AND- SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE
HERE TO TOULON- AS USUAL THERE'S
THE- TYPICAL HOUSE KEEPING RULES
IF PHAM YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER WE
HAVE THE SERGEANTS TAKE YOU TO
THE DUNGEON- IF PHAM. MEMBERS ON
THE COMMITTEE ALSO ARE NOT
BEHAVING WITH MY TO THAT AS WELL
- WE DO I'LL HAVE JUST TWO ITEMS
ON CONSENT DATA WILL BE TAKEN ON
AND SO I WILL TAKE FIRST A ROLL
CALL AND THEN WILL TAKE A MOTION
TO APPROVE THE CONSECUTIVE.
EDUARDO GARCIA PRESIDENT.
EDUARDO GARCIA HERE. EDUARDO
GARCIA HERE PATTERSON PATTERSON
HEAR BARKING OUT HERE AMERICAN
HERE CALDERON CALDERON HERE
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CONNELLY HERE HOLDEN MATHIS
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CHIANG WALLACE. SIX OKAY WE HAVE
A- THE MEMBERS. THANK YOU WILL
MOTION. THREE MEMBERS. AND THAT
WE WILL LAW TAKE UP A VOTE TIME
ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. I REMEMBER
ONE SB THREE OH FIVE THE MOTION
IS DUE PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
RECOMMEND RECOMMENDED CONSENT. I
DON'T NUMBER TWO. S. B. SEVEN
FOUR SIX THE MOTION IS DUE
PASSES AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
RECOMMENDED CONSENT. GARCIA AYE
GARCIA AYE PATTERSON PATTERSON I
BETTER CAN BEAR QUE HAN I
CALDERON. CALDERON AYE CARILLO
CHEN. CHEN AYE CONNELLY.
CONNELLY I HOLDEN MATHIS. MATHIS
I MURATSUCHI. REYES REYES I
SANTIAGO SCHIAVO. KING WALLACE.
THAT'S EIGHT SEVEN THANK YOU
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE ROAD
OPEN FOR OTHER MEMBERS TO ADD ON
TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR- BUT WE
WILL- GO INTO RECESS- FOR THE
REGULAR HEARING OF UTILITIES AND
ENERGY AND WILL TRANSITION. TO
WHAT IS TODAY'S HEARING- AS A
FOLLOW UP TO LAST YEAR'S
DISCUSSION- IN THE NEED TO BUILD
TRANSMISSION CAPACITY TO MEET
OUR AMBITIOUS CLIMATE GOALS
FORTUNATELY A LOT OF ATTENTION
WAS PUT FORWARD LAST YEAR ON
TRANSMISSION AND- THE SUITE OF
INITIATIVES- WERE ADOPTED BY
THIS BODY AND BY THE LEGISLATURE
AS A WHOLE INCLUDING PERMITTING
REFORMS. AND REGULATORY
INITIATIVES LIKE THE ANIMAL YOU
SIGNED BETWEEN THE AGENCIES THAT
HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE
SPACE OUR FOCUS TODAY IT WILL BE
TO HEAR AN UPDATE ON
IMPLEMENTING THESE EFFORTS AS
WELL AS UNDERSTANDING.
ADDITIONAL WORK I THAT REMAINS
WE ALSO WELCOME THE PERSPECTIVE
FROM OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS AS
EFFORTS TO REVAMP THE
TRANSMISSION DEVELOPMENT
PROCESSES- AND ITS IMPACTS. WITH
BURKE AND DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY
WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THE
UNPRECEDENTED SCALE AND PACE AT
WHICH THE DEVELOPMENT. OF NEW
CLEAN RESOURCES IN THE STATE
MUST GO HAND IN HAND WITH THE
EXPANSION OF TRANSMISSION
SYSTEMS. SUCH EXPANSION IS
MARKED BY A UNIQUE SET OF
CHALLENGES AND INTRODUCES
OPPORTUNITIES FOR POTENTIAL
DELAYS THAT COULD HAMPER THE
ABILITY TO MEET. OUR CLIMATE
GOALS. OVERCOMING THESE UNIQUE
CHALLENGES REQUIRES US TO ALL GO
BACK. TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND
RE EXAMINE OUR TRANSMISSION
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO FIND
UNIQUE SOLUTIONS WE HAVE INVITED
THIS PANEL TO DISCUSS THE
CURRENT REFORMS UNTIL BETTER
COORDINATION AMONGST THE ENERGY-
ENTITIES TO SYNCHRONIZE
TRANSMISSION PLANNING AN
ORDERLY. PERMITTING PROCESS TO
ENSURE NEW RESOURCES CAN BE
DELIVERED TIMELY AND AFFORDABLY
WITH THAT I TURN TO MY COLLEAGUE
TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OPENING
REMARKS. BEFORE. WE ASKED THE
PANELISTS TO COME FORWARD
PLEASE. THANK MISTER CHAIRMAN TO
THANK AND ESPECIALLY WANT TO
THANK YOU STAFF FOR WRITING AND
EX. AND THOROUGH ANALYSIS
CALIFORNIA'S TRANSMISSION
INFRASTRUCTURE. I'VE BEEN ON
THIS. ENERGY COMMITTEE SINCE. I
GOT HERE FOR MANY YEARS NOW AND
I'M ALWAYS AMAZED AT THE
COMPLEXITIES ON ENERGY POLICY.
OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS IN THIS
COMMITTEE WE HAVE TO BE DEBATED
THE ISSUES WITH INTERCONNECTION
INTERNALIZATION GRID RELIABILITY
RESOURCE ADEQUACY AND OF COURSE.
THE NEED TO BUILD OUT CLEAN AND
RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS TO
CONSIDER WHICH IS WHY IT'S SO
HARD TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
OR ONE SOLUTION. BECAUSE THERE
REALLY IS NO SILVER BULLET TO
OUR ENERGY PROBLEMS EVERY TIME
WE TRY TO ADDRESS ONE PART WE
NEED TO BE COGNIZANT ON. THAT
EFFECT ON THE REST OF THE ENERGY
CHAIN SO TO SPEAK. THE ANALYSIS
SAID IT BEST EACH STEP OF THE
PROCESS PRESENTS ITS UNIQUE SET
OF CHALLENGES AND INTRODUCES
OPPORTUNITIES FOR POTENTIAL
DELAYS. IT'S GOING TO TAKE AS
YOU SAID MR CHAIRMAN IT'S GOING
TO TAKE A SUITE OF SOLUTIONS
RATHER THAN A GLOBAL SOLUTION TO
MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH CLEAN
ENERGY. THAT WE CAN BE CONNECTED
TO THE GRID AND ENOUGH
TRANSMISSION TO GET THAT POWER
DISTRIBUTED TO OUR CUSTOMERS I
LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE
PANELISTS TODAY THANK YOU THANK
YOU FOR MEMBER ANYA COMMENTS
FORGET STAROST PALACE TO COME
FORWARD. I KNOW THE FIRST TWO
WILL BE- PROVIDING THEIR
COMMENTS A REMOTELY BUT- IF THE
OTHER MEMBERS WILL PLEASE COME
FORWARD WE WILL- STAIN FROM
QUESTIONS UNTIL ALL PANELISTS
ARE. COMPLETE WITH THEIR REMARKS
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SET
THAT. TONE PLEASE COME FORWARD.
THANK YOU SEAT AND WILL START IN
THE ORDER THAT THE AGENDA HAS
SET FORWARD- TODAY SPEAKERS.
OKAY WE'RE GONNA START THE CAL I
SO- AS THE FOLKS GET READY-
REMOTELY TO PUT THEIR- SYSTEM.
SO WHEN YOU'RE WE'RE READY
WELCOME HIT.
BOB THANK YOU VERY I'LL JUST
JUMP RIGHT INTO I MY NAME IS THE
L. MILLER. THE OF INTEREST AND
OP PLANNING AT THE- INDEPENDENCE
ON. THANK YOU VERY FOR YOUR- TO
YOU TODAY. I WE DID PREPARE OF
SLOW TO HELP WALK THROUGH SOME
OF. THE COULD BE HELP. JUST TO
SET THE CONTACT FOR SOME OF THE
TRENDS PLAN ACTIVE. I DON'T KNOW
IF THOSE ARE PULLED UP. OR HOW.
IF YOU ALLOW ME TO- PAUSE FOR A
SECOND REAL THE REGULAR YOU TO
AND MEETING FOR MEMBERS TO ADD
ON A TO VOTE AND THEN WE WILL
PROCEED THE CARD. PLACEMENT THIS
IS THE CONSENT FILE. CARILLO
HOLDEN HOLDEN I MURATSUCHI
MURATSUCHI AYE SANTIAGO SCHIAVO
TANG ARE. TANG I WALLACE. OKAY
WE WILL- RECESS WILL THE ROLE OF
FOR THE MEMBERS HAD ON REESE'S
REGULAR WILL PROCEED WITH THE
INFORMATION HEARING PLEASE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH SO YES- IF I
COULD JUST MOVE TO THE NEXT
SLIDE PLEASE THE FIRST THING I
WAS JUST GOING TO TOUCH ON
BEFORE I GOT INTO THE- STATE OF
THE CURRENT TRANSMISSION
PLANNING ACTIVITIES WAS JUST TO
TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS THAT HAVE
CHANGED SINCE SINCE LAST SUMMER
ACTUALLY. A LAST SUMMER'S WE
WERE GOING INTO OUR SUMMER
TWENTY TWENTY TWO PREPAREDNESS
THERE WAS A HEIGHTENED LEVEL OF
CONCERN- REGARDING OUR SUPPLY
ADEQUACY GOING INTO THE SUMMER.
CONDITIONS THIS YEAR- HAVE
IMPROVED BOTH DUE TO THE
ADDITION OF NEW CAPITAL
RESOURCES NEW INSTALLED CAPACITY
ON THE GRID AS WELL AS THE
IMPROVED HYDRO CONDITIONS SO
THOSE TWO FACTORS COMBINED. HAVE
PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION BY
THE TIME WE REACH SEPTEMBER
WHICH IS BECOMING ARE CRITICAL
P. CLOAK MONTH AND PARTICULAR
RISK BECAUSE WE'RE FACING- MORE
EXTREME EVENTS OCCURRING IN THAT
TIME FRAME. WE ARE LOOKING AT
ABOUT HAVING IT AN ADDITIONAL
THREE THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF GRID
CONNECTED STORAGE ON THE GRID
COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. AS WELL
AS ADDITIONAL- SOLAR RESOURCES
THAT ARE HELPFUL IN PROVIDING
THE CHARGING ENERGY FOR THAT
STORAGE. SELL WELL WERE ALWAYS
CONCERNED GOING INTO SUMMER
MONTHS BECAUSE OF THE EFFECT OF
CLIMATE CHANGE WE ARE IN A
BETTER POSITION THAN WE WERE
LAST YEAR. NOTE THE PROGRESS
WE'VE MADE ON INSTALLING NEW
CAPACITY AS PART OF A BROADER
FRAMEWORK- IF I COULD MOVE TO
THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AS WITH
THIS YEAR DID ON OUR END OF THIS
YEAR OR BOARD OF GOVERNORS
APPROVED THIS YEAR'S ANNUAL
TRANSMISSION PLANT. AND I DID
ONE DRESS IN PARTICULAR
ATTENTION TO THE TWENTY TWENTY
TO TWENTY TWENTY THREE
TRANSMISSION PLANT BECAUSE
THEY'RE REALLY REALLY WERE TO
FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES THIS YEAR.
ONE WE'VE REALLY SHARPENED AND
HIGHLIGHTED A MORE ZONAL
APPROACH TO TRANSMISSION
PLANNING. TO BETTER ARTICULATE
FOR THE RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT
COMMUNITY AND LOAD SERVING
ENTITIES. THE AREAS OF THE STATE
THAT ARE BEING TARGETED WORK
TRANSMISSION IS BEING DEVELOPED.
BASED ON COORDINATED PLANNING
WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION AND THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY COMMISSION. ON WHERE
RESOURCES ARE BEST LOCATED WHERE
THE TRANSMISSION IS BEING
PROACTIVELY PLANNED FOR. THE
OTHER CHANGE WAS SAID AS WE
CONTINUE TO PIVOT TO THE HIGHER
VOLUME OF RESOURCES THAT NEED TO
BE ADDED TO THE GRID YEAR OVER
YEAR. THIS IS THIS ALSO THE
LARGEST TRANSMISSION PLAN WE'VE
PRODUCED TO THIS POINT. THE
OTHER THING THAT THIS REALLY
HIGHLIGHTED IS THAT IN THE
LINKAGES BETWEEN OUR PROCESSES
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
AND ENERGY COMMISSION. WE REALLY
SEE THAT WELL MANY OF THE CORE
PROCESSES THEMSELVES WERE SOLID
WE REALLY NEED TO TIGHTEN THE
LINKAGE BETWEEN RESOURCE
PLANNING TRANSMISSION PLANNING.
INTERCONNECTION AND RESPECTFUL
RESOURCE PROCUREMENT WE NEED THE
LOAD SERVING ENTITIES TO BE
ACTIVELY SHOPPING FOR PROJECTS
IN THE AREAS WHERE THE
TRANSMISSION IS BEING DEVELOPED
. I NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO AT
THIS YEAR'S TRANSITION PLAN IS
REALLY REFLECTED BY THE PICTURE
ON THE RIGHT WHICH HIGHLIGHTS
THE AREAS AND THE KEY
TRANSMISSION CORRIDORS. THAT
WE'RE REINFORCING IN THIS YEAR'S
PLAN AND IN MANY OF THOSE AREAS
WE ALSO DID SENSITIVITY WORK
THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SIZE MANY OF
THE UPGRADES. TO WHAT WE SAW
BEING THE EMERGING NEEDS THAT
WOULD BE COMING. AT US NEXT YEAR
BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE WERE
FINALIZING THIS YEAR'S
TRANSMISSION PLAN WE ALREADY HAD
THE BENEFIT OF KNOWING. THE
RENEWABLE PORTFOLIOS THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION WAS
PROVIDING US FOR NEXT YEAR'S
TRANSMISSION PLANT. SO THIS
YEAR'S PLAN WAS KEYED OFF OF
ACCOMMODATING AT LEAST FORTY
THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF NEW
INSTALLED CAPACITY OVER THE NEXT
DECADE. BUT IN MANY AREAS
SOLUTIONS FOR SIZE TO GO BEYOND
THAT TOWARDS THE SEVENTY
THOUSAND MEGAWATTS. THAT ARE THE
TARGET FOR NEXT YEAR'S
TRANSMISSION PLANT. THE
TRANSMISSION PLAN WAS ALSO BASED
OFF OF- AND ABLE TO CORRELATE
WITH A LONGER TERM TWENTY YEAR
OUTLOOK WE HAD PREPARED LAST
YEAR THAT WAS NOT A BINDING OR-
DECISION MAKING DOCUMENT. BUT
THAT LONG TERM PLANNING REALLY
HELP PROVIDE MORE COMFORT TO
OURSELVES AND OUR STAKEHOLDERS
THAT THIS YEAR'S TRANSMISSION
PLANT WAS PART OF A LONGER TERM
PLAN AND DIRECTION TO ACHIEVE
STATE GOALS. THE NEXT SLIDE
PLEASE- THE PLAN ITSELF WHEN I
MENTIONED IT WAS THE LARGEST
PLANNED REPRODUCE TO THIS POINT
IT INCLUDED TWENTY FOUR
RELIABILITY PROJECTS COMING IN
AT A PRICE TAG OF ONE POINT
EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS. AS WELL
AS TWENTY ONE PROJECTS THAT WERE
FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON ACCESSING
RENEWABLE RESOURCES AND BRICK
DELIVERING THAT POWER. TO LOAD
NOW THESE ARE THE BULK
TRANSMISSION SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
OF COURSE WITHIN EACH AREA LOCAL
REQUIREMENTS WHICH ARE BECOMING
AN ISSUE AT TIMES BUT LOCAL
REQUIREMENTS ALSO EXIST.
DEPENDING ON WHICH SPECIFIC
PROJECTS IN EACH AREA. ACTUALLY
GET CONTRACTS AND MOVE THROUGH
THE INTERCONNECTION PROCESS TO
GET CONNECTED. AT THE SAME TIME
WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH- IDAHO
POWER AND WITH LED W. P. ON
SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT. MIGHT BE
BROUGHT BACK IN IT'S AN
EXTENSION OF THIS YEAR'S PLANNED
OR CONSIDERED FURTHER IN NEXT
YEAR'S DEPENDING ON HOW THAT
WORKS BECAUSE- WE ARE INTERESTED
IN THESE COLLABORATIVE
OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL TO SEE HOW
WE CAN. ACHIEVE OUR STATE GOAL
REQUIREMENTS AND AT THE LOWEST
COST AND DO IT MOST EFFECTIVELY
. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE OTHER
THING I WANTED TO MENTION AND
THERE'S BEEN A FAIR BIT OF
ATTENTION MADE ABOUT- THE ISA'S
GENERATION INTERCONNECTION
QUEUE. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR ON
THIS GENERATORS- AND RESOURCES
APPLIED TO CONNECT TO THE
TRANSMISSION SYSTEM. AND TODAY
THAT'S A PRECURSOR ACTIVITY IN
ORDER TO COMPETE FOR LOAD
SERVING ENTITY A PROCUREMENT SO
WE KNOW THAT A LARGE NUMBER OF
THE PROJECTS THAT APPLY WILL NOT
ALTERNATELY BE SUCCESSFUL. EVEN
WITH OUR VERY LARGE REQUIREMENTS
FOR RESOURCE INTERCONNECTION- WE
CURRENTLY HAVE A HUNDRED AND
EIGHTY THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF
RESOURCES IN OUR INTERCONNECTION
QUEUE. AND IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR
WE- AROUND AN OPEN WINDOW WHICH
WE DO. GENERALLY ANNUALLY AND WE
RECEIVED ANOTHER FIVE HUNDRED
AND FORTY ONE PROJECTS THAT
TOTALED THREE HUNDRED AND. FIFTY
FOUR THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF
CAPACITY. RP LOAD OF COURSE WAS
FIFTY TWO THOUSAND MEGAWATTS IN
THE SEPTEMBER HEAT WAVE OF LAST
YEAR. SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO
TAKE STEPS AND WE HAVE LAUNCHED
A MAJOR STAKEHOLDER PROCESS TO
DO FURTHER REFINEMENT TORE
INTERCONNECTION PROCESS. TO
BETTER COUPLE OUR
INTERCONNECTION STUDY ACTIVITIES
WITH RESOURCE PROCUREMENT
BECAUSE BEING CONDUCTED BY LOAD
SERVING ENTITIES WE THINK THE
COORDINATION WITH THE STATE
AGENCIES ON THE PLANNING SIDE IS
FAIRLY TIGHT. BUT WE CLEARLY
NEED TO GET BETTER LINKAGES TO
THE ACTUAL PROCUREMENT
ACTIVITIES TO GET THESE NUMBERS
DOWN TO REALISTIC AND MANAGEABLE
NUMBERS. EARLIER IN THE GAME BUT
LIKE I SAID THESE VOLUMES ARE
JUST STAGGERING WHEN YOU
CONSIDER THE SIZE OF OUR SYSTEM.
SO WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH THE
COURSE OF THIS YEAR TO DEVELOP
ADDITIONAL REFINEMENTS TO OUR
INTERCONNECTION PROCESS TO
BETTER STREAMLINE. NOW THE ALSO
THERE BE LOOKED FORWARD TO.
SENATE CRITIC ABOUT TRAINS TO
THE IS COURSE THANK YOU VERY
MUCH WE'RE GONNA HOLD OFF AND-
BEFORE YOU GO BACK TO THE TOP OF
THE- AGENDA WITH OUR PRESENTERS
THAT WILL BE- ADDRESSING AS
REMOTELY. AND I BELIEVE- THE
FIRST PRESENTER GEOFFREY DENNIS
FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY
MAY ALREADY BE IN THE QUEUE AND
SO WILL. START WHEN- WHEN
THEY'RE READY. CAN YOU HEAR ME
OK. YES WE CAN HEAR YOU. I THANK
YOU VERY MUCH- AND GOOD
AFTERNOON THANKS FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND A COUPLE
MINUTES TALKING ABOUT. ARE THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S WORK ON
TRANSMISSION DEVELOPMENT. MY
NAME IS JEFF DENNIS ON THE
DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR TRANSMISSION
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S.
GREAT DEPLOYMENT OFFICE ARE THE
BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LAW
NEEDS THE LARGEST LONG TERM
INVESTMENT IN OUR NATION'S OF
THE STRUCTURE. IN NEARLY A
CENTURY. NEW FLICKER REDUCTION
ACT FOLLOWED UP WITH THE LARGEST
INVESTMENT THE DEPLOYMENT OF
CLEAN TECHNOLOGIES AFTER.
SETTING A PATH TO LOWER ENERGY
COSTS. AND TO MEETING THE GOALS
OF MAKING THE POWER SECTOR 1100%
CLEAN BY TWENTY THIRTY FIVE. NO
THOSE HISTORIC OF THE
INVESTMENTS FROM THE BIPARTISAN
INFRASTRUCTURE LAW LED THE
DEPARTMENT TO REALIGN ITSELF TO
INCLUDE A NEW DEPLOYMENT OF
MISSION OF INFRASTRUCTURE
DEPLOYMENT. TO ITS LONGSTANDING
CORE MISSION OF RESEARCH AND
DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT
REALIGNMENT LED TO THE CREATION
OF SEVERAL NEW OFFICES ARE IN
THE REALIGNMENT OF EXISTING
OFFICES INCLUDING THE CREATION
OF A NEW CREEK DEPLOYMENT
OFFICE. AGAIN TO FOCUS SOLELY ON
DEPLOYMENT OF ELECTRIC GRID
INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO ENSURE
THAT WE CAN BRING LOW COST
ELECTRICITY TO EVERYONE
EVERYWHERE WHILE MEETING CLIMATE
GOALS IN IMPROVING RELIABILITY
AND RESILIENCE. DEGREE
DEPLOYMENT OFFICE HAS THREE
DIVISIONS AND AN ENTIRE DIVISION
OUR OFFICE IS DEVOTED TO
TRANSMISSION BECAUSE IT IS A
CENTRAL PILLAR OF THE
ADMINISTRATION'S. END OF DOE'S
OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE
DEPLOYMENT MISSION IN ITS
MISSION TO BRING DOWN ENERGY
COSTS AND IMPROVE RELIABILITY
AND RESILIENCE WHILE DELIVERING
A LOW CARBON AND CARBON FREE
ELECTRICITY TO CUSTOMERS. THE
TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS REALLY A
LYNCH PIN IN ALL OF THIS AND
THAT'S WHY SO MUCH OF OUR
EFFORTS ARE FOCUSED ON
TRANSMISSION. BY INDEPENDENT
ESTIMATES OF FOUND THAT WILL
NEED TO EXPAND TRANSMISSION
SYSTEMS BY SIXTY PERCENT. I
TWENTY THIRTY AND MAY NEED TO
TROUBLE HER EXISTING SYSTEMS BY
TWENTY FIFTY NATIONALLY TO MEET
OUR GROWING CLEAN ELECTRICITY
DEMANDS. START OF THE HOT LOOKED
AT ANOTHER WAY IF WE MAINTAIN
OUR CURRENT CASE OF TRANSMISSION
EXPANSION WHICH HAS BEEN ABOUT
1% PER YEAR OF CAPACITY
EXPANSIONS ARE PER. LOSE AS MUCH
AS 80% OF THE GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSION REDUCTION PROMISE
PROJECTED TO COME FROM THE
INFLATION REDUCTION ACT. TO
CAPTURE THOSE BENEFITS AS WELL
AS THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS ABOUT
LAW WILL NEED TO INCREASE THAT
PLEASE TO WELL OVER 2% PER YEAR
OF CAPACITY ADDITIONS. TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND THE
GREAT DEPLOYMENT OFFICE ARE
EMBARKED ON A THREE PRONG
STRATEGY FOR ADVANCING
DEPLOYMENT OF TRANSMISSION
INFRASTRUCTURE I'LL TRY TO TOUCH
ON A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AND THEN
ANSWER MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
BUT THAT THREE PRONGED STRATEGY
IS AIMED AT THREE OF THE BIGGEST
IMPEDIMENTS TO EXPANDING
TRANSMISSION CAPACITY. AT THE
PACE NEEDED TO CAPTURE THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES I TALKED ABOUT IN
TO TRUST THOSE CHALLENGES I
TALKED ABOUT. WITH A BRANCH OF
PROGRAMS STUDIES IN GRANTS
TOTALING MORE THAN TWENTY FIVE
BILLION DOLLARS FOCUSING ON
THREE KEY ISSUES. SITING AND
PERMITTING OF TRANSMISSION.
ENHANCED TRANSMISSION PLANNING
IN COMMERCIAL FACILITATION OF
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS TO FILL
MARKET GAPS THAT MAY PREVENT
TRANSMISSION WE KNOW WE NEED
TOMORROW FROM BEING FINANCE
TODAY. SO I'M GUESSING THE STAR
LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER TALK
JUST FOR A MINUTE ABOUT OUR WORK
ON PLANNING. SO WE'RE FOCUSED ON
PLANNING SO THAT OUR TO HELP
UNDERSTAND WHERE CURRENT AND
FUTURE CONGESTED AREAS ON THE
GROUND CAR- IN AN EFFORT TO
EFFECTIVELY DEPLOY ALL OF THESE
TOOLS. TO MEETING THOSE NEEDS
WE'RE DOING THAT THROUGH A FEW
DIFFERENT EFFORTS WE'RE
EMBARKING ON A NATIONAL.
TRANSMISSION NEEDS STUDY WHICH
IS A ROBUST ANALYSIS OF BOTH
CURRENT AND FUTURE CONGESTION
CAPACITY STRAINS CONSTRAINTS.
CONDUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH
CONGRESSIONAL DIRECTION IN THE
FEDERAL POWER ACT. THIS MEANS
STUDY HELPS IDENTIFY AREAS OF
HIGH PRIORITY FOR TRANSMISSION
DEVELOPMENT OUGHT TO INFORM IT
NATIONAL- IF THE EFFORTS BOTH A
DEAL WE- AND IN THE STATE. WE'RE
ALSO EMBARKING ON A MORE
AMBITIOUS LONG TERM NATIONAL
TRANSITION PLANNING STUDY THAT
LOOKS NOT JUST THAT NEEDS BUT AT
NATIONAL SCALE LONG TERM- ARE
BOTH- NEEDS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO
IDENTIFIER PORTFOLIO SOLUTIONS
TO THOSE NEEDS. DOT NATIONAL
LONG TERM- TRANSMISSION PLANNING
STUDY ARE CONDUCTS A LOT OF NEW
ANALYSIS ALONG A LONGER TIME
FRAME I TO IDENTIFY BOTH THOSE
NEEDS IN THOSE SOLUTIONS AND
WE'RE ALSO CONVENING
STAKEHOLDERS. OUGHT. TO LOOK AT
OFFSHORE. ITS MISSION NEEDED ARE
TO DEPLOY ON SHORT AT SCALE AND
WE RECENTLY OFF A ON THE WEST
COAST I TO CONVENE DECISION
MAKERS AND STAKEHOLDERS. IN TO
STUDY THE TRANSMISSION THAT MAY
BE NEEDED I TO CAPITALIZE ON
OFFSHORE WIND ON THE PACIFIC
COAST. TURNING THE SITING AND
PERMITTING WE KNOW THAT TO BUILD
TRANSMISSION AT THE RAPID PACE
REQUIRED THE CURRENT PERMITTING
STRUCTURE NEEDS TO IMPROVE.
INCITING A PERMITTING A MAJOR
FOCUS OF THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION FROM THE WHITE
HOUSE THE ROUTE TO THE FEDERAL
AGENCIES RESPONSIBLE FOR
PERMITTING. GIVEN THE NEED FOR
ADDITIONAL TRANSMISSION
INFRASTRUCTURE I TALKED ABOUT
EARLIER IN THE RECOGNITION OF
PERMITTING PROCESS HE'S ARE
OFTEN THE LONG POLE IN THE TENT
WHEN IT COMES TO LONG
DEVELOPMENT TIMELINES FOR
TRANSMISSION. ARE CURRENTLY
FEDERAL PERMITTING TRIAGE FOR
TRANSMISSION LINES CAN TAKE AS
MUCH AS TEN YEARS OR LONGER I
AND WE KNOW THE TRANSMISSION
SITING AND PERMITTING IS A
MULTIFACETED CHALLENGE WE HAVE
THOSE FEDERAL PERMITTING
CHALLENGES. OUR STATE AND LOCAL
AUTHORITIES ARE STILL THE
PRIMARY DRIVER OF TRANSMISSION
CITING IN MANY AREAS I IN LOCAL
COMMUNITIES CAN FACE UNIQUE
IMPACTS FROM NEW I. TRANSMISSION
INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE WORKING TO
USE A NUMBER OF TOOLS AT THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SOME
EXISTING AND SOME NEW FROM THE
BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE LONNIE
INFLATION REDUCTION ACT. TO
ADDRESS CHALLENGES AT EACH OF
THESE LEVELS. THIS INCLUDES A
NEW EFFORT TO COORDINATE FEDERAL
PERMITTING FOR TRANSMISSION
AMONG NINETEEN KEY FEDERAL
AGENCIES WHO ARE OFTEN INVOLVED
IN TRANSMISSION PERMITTING. TO
REDUCE DUPLICATION OF DELAYS BY
SETTING BINDING SCHEDULES THAT
REQUIRE FINAL DECISIONS ON
PERMIT APPLICATIONS WITHIN TWO
YEARS. IN THE REQUIRE THE
PRODUCTION OF A SINGLE
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW REVIEW
DOCUMENT. AS THE BASIS FOR ALL
FEDERAL DECISIONS. WERE ALSO
WORKING TO DESIGNATE CORRIDORS
WHERE TRANSMISSION CONGESTION
AND CONSTRAINTS ARE HARMING
CONSUMERS TO ALLOW THE
DEPLOYMENT OF NEW FINANCIAL
INCITING TOOLS TO ADDRESS THOSE
CONSTRAINTS. AND FINALLY WE'RE
IMPLEMENTING OUR GRANT PROGRAM
THAT WOULD SUPPORT HIGH PROVIDE
GRANT- SUPPORT AND FINANCIAL
SUPPORT. TO STATE AND LOCAL
CITING AUTHORITIES ARE TO HELP.
THEM IMPROVE I SPEED UP ZERO
WORK TRANS CITING I PER ACTIVE.
INTO CAN TO OPPORTUNITIES TO
COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY
TRANSMISSION OUR DEVELOPMENT.
FINALLY ON THE FINANCING OUT
FINANCING AND COMMERCIAL
FACILITIES INSIDE THE MENTIONED
EARLIER WE KNOW THAT MANY
PROJECTS WE WILL NEED IN THE
FUTURE. STOPPER COMMERCIAL
CHALLENGES THAT PREVENT THEM
FROM OBTAINING SUFFICIENT
FINANCING AND CUSTOMER
COMMITMENTS ARE EARLY ENOUGH IN
THE PROCESS TO MATCH WITHOUT
LONG DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE- WE
KNOW TRANSMISSION TAKES.
CONGRESS HAS PROVIDED US WITH A
NUMBER OF TOOLS TO COMBAT THIS
PROBLEM ONE Q. PRIVATE SCHOOL IS
THE TRANSMISSION FACILITY SHOULD
PROGRAM. THIS IS A TWO AND A
HALF BILLION DOLLAR BORROWING
AUTHORITY THAT ALLOWS THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TO ENTER
INTO CAPACITY CONTRACTS OF WITH
A PROPOSED TRANSMISSION
PROJECTS. OR PRIVATE PUBLIC
PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS OR
LOAN GUARANTEES TO ENSURE THE
PROJECTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE
NOT BE CONSTRUCTED OR WOULD BE
CONSTRUCTED WITH LESS CAPACITY
THAN IS OPTIMAL OUR BUILDING
CAMPUS AND CAN PROGRESS TO
CONSTRUCTION. OUT WE ALSO HAVE
ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY TO ENTER
INTO LOAN GUARANTEES FOR
FACILITIES THAT ARE MEETING
THOSE NATIONAL IMPERATIVES ARE
TO REDUCE OUR CAPACITY
CONGESTION CONSTRAINTS I TALKED
ABOUT EARLIER. AND ALL OF THESE
TOOLS TO GATHER CAN HELP
COMPLETE THE FINANCIAL PICTURE
AND REDUCE THE TOTAL COST OF
TRANSMISSION DEVELOPMENT. I'D BE
HAPPY TO DISCUSS ALL OF THESE
INITIATIVES AND TOOLS ARE IAN
DA- WHAT WE SEE AS THE VIEW- I
TRANSITIONED ABOUT NATIONALLY I
IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTIONS
THANKS VERY MUCH I KNOW WE WILL
HAVE. A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ONCE
ALL. THE PRESENTERS- A DIFFERENT
. WITH US A WE'RE GOING TO POTS
THE HEARING FOR ONE SECOND. AND
RECONVENE THE UTILITIES AND
ENERGY REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING
FOR MEMBERS TO ADD ON TO THE TO
CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS THE
CONSENT FILE CARILLO. SANTIAGO
SCHIAVO. SHOVEL I WALLACE
WALLACE I. OKAY THIRTEEN ZERO
THIRTEEN ZERO AND- I THINK AT
THIS POINT WE CAN ADJOURN THE
MEETING- ON THE UTILITIES AND
ENERGY WITH NO FURTHER
INTERRUPTIONS WILL CONTINUE THE
INFORMATION HEARING PLEASE THE
NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE- CHRISTINA
HAYES. AFTERNOON PRECIADO- THE
CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT
ORDER ONE THOUSAND- I BELIEVE I
HAVE SOME SLIDES- I DON'T KNOW
IF THOSE ARE ABLE TO BE SEEN ON
BY THE FOLKS IN THE- ARM- THE
TERRIFIC- SO I'M- EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF AMERICANS FOR CLEAN
ENERGY GREEN WE ARE A DIVERSE
COALITION- THAT ADVOCATES FOR
HIGH CAPACITY TRANSMISSION.
AROUND THE COUNTRY MOSTLY ON THE
FEDERAL LEVEL PRIOR TO THIS- I
WORKED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS I
INCLUDING- FOR- GERMAN WILLING
HAFTAR IN ORDER ONE THOUSAND SO
I'M PLEASED TO TALK WITH YOU
TODAY ABOUT. THINGS ARE
HAPPENING IT FOR AROUND-
TRANSMISSION POLICY WOULD GO TO
THE NEXT SLIDE. OXFORD HAS
JURISDICTION OVER TRANSMISSION
PLANNING THIS IS FOUND IN
FEDERAL POWER ACT SECTION TWO A
ONE ON IN TERMS OF THE PRACTICES
THAT RELATE TO OUR RATES- THERE
ARE COURT CASES THAT HAVE SAID
THAT FOR INSTANCE FOR CANNOT-
SPECIFIED HOW- BOARD MEMBERS OF
AN RTO OR ISO ARE SELECTED. BUT
THAT IS TOO FAR REMOVED FROM A
PRACTICE IMPACTING RATES- THAT
WAS SPECIFIC TO WHAT WHAT
HAPPENS IN CALIFORNIA- BUT HERE
THE COURTS HAVE FOUND THAT- FOR
JURISDICTION OVER TRANSMISSION
PLANNING IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED
TO THE IMPACT ON RATES. AND SO
THAT THAT HAS BEEN UP HELD
SEVERAL TIMES. SO IT'S PLANNED
ON THE FRAMEWORK FOR PLANNING IS
ESTABLISHED IT FOR WORK AND IT'S
IMPLEMENTED THROUGH K. SO. NEXT
SITE. SO THESE ARE THE OPERATING
REGIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY AS
YOU CAN SEE- CALIFORNIA IS-
MOSTLY COVERED BY THE CALIFORNIA
INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR ARE
THERE ARE LITTLE BITS ALSO
COVERED BY WEST CONNECT- WHICH
IS PRIMARILY IN NON MARKET AREAS
IN ARIZONA NEW MEXICO. AND
COLORADO- NORTHERN GRADE- COVERS
THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND PART
OF THE MOUNTAIN WEST AS WELL AND
YOU SEE ON THE ARTIOS IN THE
PLANNING REGIONS- ARE COINCIDENT
ON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. A AND
THEN TEXAS- IS NOT A PLANNING
REGION. TRAFFIC THANKS FORTY ONE
THOUSAND OF ORDER ONE THOUSAND
OF IT MOVED FROM ORDER EIGHT
NINETY HAD BEEN FOCUSED ON
PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR
PLANNING BUT NOT REQUIRING IT
FOR REGIONAL PLANNING ORDER ONE
THOUSAND REQUIRED REGIONAL
PLANNING- AND OFFERED.
OPPORTUNITIES INDICTMENTS AROUND
INTERREGIONAL PLANNING BUT DID
NOT MANDATE THAT NEXT STEP. SO
IT REQUIRED ON A REGIONAL
PLANNING THAT SATISFIED
PRINCIPLES AROUND TRANSPARENCY
AND COST ALLOCATION TO REQUIRE
ON A REGIONAL PLAN- REQUIRED
PLANNING TO ADDRESS. ECONOMIC
CONGESTION RELIABILITY AS WELL
AS PUBLIC POLICY REQUIREMENTS.
IT ALSO INCLUDED ELIMINATION OF
A FEDERAL RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL
AND FEDERAL TERRACE- BUT LEFT
THE DOOR OPEN FOR US STATES TO
INCORPORATE THEIR OWN WRITER FOR
FIRST REFUSAL. ON WHICH LEAD TO
COMPETITIVE BIDDING FOR PROJECTS
IN SOME ORDER ONE THOUSAND
PLANNING REGIONS. AND ALSO
PROVIDED THAT OPPORTUNITY TO
COORDINATE WITH NEIGHBORING
REGIONS FOR INTERREGIONAL
TRANSMISSION WHERE IT WAS FOUND
TO BE EFFICIENT OR COST
EFFECTIVE. FOR COST ALLOCATION
ON A PROHIBITED PARTICIPATED
FUNDING- YOU COULD NOT MERELY
SAY- YOU KNOW KIND OF THROW IT
OPEN ON THE TWO DEVELOPERS TO
HAVE TO FUND THEIR OWN PROJECTS
BUT INSTEAD PROVIDE
OPPORTUNITIES. FOR REGIONALLY
PLANNED- TRANSMISSION REGION
IDENTIFIED CHALLENGES WHERE
SOLUTIONS WOULD BE SOLICITED
FROM A WIDE NUMBER OF
PARTICIPANTS AND THEN THE BEST
ONE SELECTED TO SERVE OUR
CUSTOMERS IN THE REGION. EXCITE
SO THESE ARE THE OUR CURRENT FOR
COMMISSIONERS- THIS IS RELEVANT
BECAUSE CURRENTLY- THERE IS A
RULE MAKING PENDING AT FERC TO
CONSIDER- REVISITING- SOME OF
THE REFORMS IN ORDER ONE
THOUSAND AND TO MAKE SOME
CHANGES HERE AND THERE ARE
HOWEVER THAT PROPOSAL HAS BEEN
PENDING. FOR ALMOST A YEAR MORE
THAN A YEAR- ON THERE BEEN ODD
COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN
AND WE HAVE NOT YET SEEN A FINAL
RULE ON THE CHAIRMAN THAT
PROPOSED THOSE REVISIONS THOSE
REFORMS- HAS SINCE ROLLED OFF OF
FOR. AND SO WE NOW HAVE A FORK
WITH TWO DEMOCRATS AND TWO
REPUBLICANS- GERMAN DANLEY I'M
SORRY COMMISSIONER DANLEY- YOU
CAN SEE HE'S ON THE RIGHT- THAT
SIMPLY TO INDICATED THAT HIS
TERM ENDS HERE AT THE END OF THE
MONTH BUT HE IS ELIGIBLE TO HOLD
ON. THROUGH THE END OF DECEMBER.
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AS A
DEMOCRAT AND HER TERM ENDS NEXT
YEAR- AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT
THERE IS AN OPENING AT FOR AND
THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ONE SOON.
IT WAS JUST A SHOW ON SOME OF
THE- TURN OVER IT FOR AND HOW IT
COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT. ON
REFORMS ORDER ONE THOUSAND. NEXT
LINE. SO THE PROPOSED REFORMS-
CONSIDER SOME CHANGES- IN TERMS-
ESPECIALLY BEING MORE SPECIFIC
ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PLAN
AHEAD FOR. LONG TERM- YOU KNOW
POTENTIALLY TWENTY YEAR WAS THE
PROPOSAL- NEED TO FOR NEW- NEW
LOAD- NEW- LECTER FIGHT
BUILDINGS ELECTRIFIED VEHICLES-
ANOTHER NUMBER OF OTHER ON
DRIVERS ON THE SYSTEM AS WELL AS
POTENTIAL NEW. A GENERATION. THE
PROPOSAL ALSO. SUGGESTED LOOKING
AT MULTIPLE LONG TERM SCENARIOS
TO INCORPORATE A MINIMUM SET OF
FACTORS OR SOMETHING LIKE
SEVENTEEN FACTORS PROPOSED- AND
THERE WAS CONSIDERATION OF
WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD ALL
BE MANDATED. OR IF THERE SHOULD
BE ON THIS SOME MORE ON VARIABLE
AND CONSIDER VARIABILITY IN
CONSIDERATION. ALSO THE IDEA WAS
TO LOOK AT EACH LINE ON IN TERMS
OF THE MANY BENEFITS THAT EACH
LINE PROVIDES- WHERE IS THE SAME
LINE CAN PROVIDE BOTH ECONOMIC
BENEFITS AS WELL AS RELIABILITY
AS WELL AS ADDRESS SOME OF THE
OUR PUBLIC POLICY CHOICES BEING
MADE BY UTILITIES CUSTOMERS. AND
JURISDICTIONS OF GOVERNMENTS
AROUND AT CHANGES IN THE
RESOURCE MIX AND THE OUR FOCUS
IS TO ESTABLISH CRITERIA TO
MAXIMIZE BENEFITS OVER TIME.
EXCITE. IN ADDITION TO CHANGING-
PLANNING WELL THAT'S CONDUCTED
ARE THERE IS ALSO A
CONSIDERATION TO HOW COST
ALLOCATION MIGHT BE CHANGED- ONE
EIGHT ONE IDEA WAS TO- FOCUS ON
THE ABILITY OF STATE ENTITIES TO
AGREE WITH A PLANNING REGION ON
COST ALLOCATION. TO ESTABLISH A
COST ALLOCATION METHOD FOR
FACILITIES USING AN EX ANTE
ANALYSIS. ALSO TO ESTABLISH A
COST ALLOCATION- FOR THOSE
LOOKING AT LONG TERM REGIONAL
PLANNING COMPLYING WITH THE
ORDER ONE THOUSAND SO THIS IS
THE FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT OF
BENEFICIARIES SHOULD PAY-
FOCUSED ON AT THE BENEFITS THAT
THEY RECEIVE. FOCUSED ON REDUCED
OUTAGES- YOU KNOW REDUCE IMPACTS
FROM- RELIABILITY EVENTS AND
ALSO REDUCED ON ECONOMIC
CONGESTION ALSO PROVIDES
ECONOMIC BENEFITS. ALSO NEXT
LIGHT ON FOR IS ALSO CONSIDERING
A LARGE NUMBER OF OTHER-
PROPOSALS RELATED TO
TRANSMISSION ON THE ONE THAT WE
KEEP HEARING IS GOING TO CUT
COME UP SOONER THAN THE OTHERS
WOULD BE INTERCONNECTION QUEUE
REFORM. SO THIS IS TO EXPEDITE
THE CURRENT PRICE PROCESS TO
ALLOW MORE FOR CLUSTER STUDIES
RATHER THAN SERIAL STUDIES OF
INTEGRATION OF NEW RESOURCES
ONTO THE GRID. BACKSTOPS
SIGHTING WAS ON A
REINVIGORATION- OF THE STATUTE
FROM THE PACK TWO THOUSAND FIVE
IN I. I. J. A. THAT PASSED
CONGRESS IN. NOVEMBER TWENTY
TWENTY ONE- GAVE BURKE RENEWED
AUTHORITY TO ON SITE LINES IN
CASE OF A STATE. ARE DECLINING
TO ACT ON A CERTIFICATE OR
REJECTING THAT CERTIFICATE OUT
WITHIN A YEAR ON'T LINES ARE
PROPOSED TO BE WITHIN A CORRIDOR
THAT'S DESIGNATED BY THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. AND THEN
THE LAST PIECE THAT IS ARE BEING
CONSIDERED AS A MINIMUM TRANSFER
CAPABILITY REQUIREMENT ON THIS
WAS AN AREA THAT WAS. GAINING A
BIPARTISAN INTEREST AT FOR ON AS
AN IMPORTANT WAY OF LOOKING UP
AT TRANSMISSION AS A WAY TO
SUPPORT RELIABILITY- ON A
WORKSHOP WAS HELD LAST DECEMBER
COMMENTS WERE SUBMITTED IN MID
MAY AND THEN ALSO DO AGAIN HERE
AT THE END OF JUNE- AND IN THE
MIDDLE OF ALL OF THIS- CONGRESS.
PASSED ITS DEBT DEAL THAT
PROVIDED FOR SLIMY PERFORMS AS
WELL AS- REQUIRING AT THE NORTH
AMERICAN ELECTRIC RELIABILITY
CORPORATION OR NERVE. TO CONDUCT
A STUDY EXAMINING WHETHER- THIS
MINIMUM TRANSFER CAPABILITY
REQUIREMENT WOULD BE HELPFUL-
NICK HAS EIGHTEEN MONTHS TO DO A
STUDY THEN TURN IT OVER TO FOR.
BURKE HAS TWELVE MONTHS TO PUT
IT OUT FOR COMMENT AND THEN MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS TO CONGRESS FOR
CHANGES THAT SHOULD BE MADE IN
RESPONSE TO MARK STUDY. THAT IS
THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THANK YOU VERY MUCH
WE'RE GOING TO THE NEXT
PRESENTER- WITH THE- PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION SO I'M-
GOOD AFTERNOON. CHECK RCL
HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE MY NAME'S SIMON BAKER
AND I SERVED AS A DIRECTOR AND-
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITY
COMMISSIONS ENERGY DIVISION. MY
PRESENTATION THIS AFTERNOON
PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE P.
C.'S ROLE IN THE TRANSMISSION
PLANNING AND PERMITTING PROCESS.
GIVEN THE EXTENT TO WHICH
CALIFORNIA'S CLIMATE GOALS RELY
UPON CLEAN RELIABLE ELECTRICITY.
THE P. YOU SEE IS VERY FOCUSED
ON BUILDING OUT INFRASTRUCTURE
ACROSS THE THREE MAIN COMPONENTS
OF ELECTRICITY SYSTEM GENERATION
DISTRIBUTION AND TRANSMISSION
THE FOCUS OF TODAY'S HEARING. IT
THERE I DO HAVE SOME SLIDES IF
YOU COULD CALL UP- MY SECOND
SIDE PLACE. ON ON THIS SLIDE IT
DEPICTS ALL THE STEPS IN THE
TRANSMISSION PLANNING AND
PERMITTING AND COST RECOVERY
PROCESSES. ON THE FAR LEFT THERE
ARE THE PLANNING INPUTS THAT
COME IN FROM THE ENERGY
COMMISSION'S DEMAND FORECAST.
AND THE PUC'S INTEGRATED
RESOURCE PLAN OR IRP WHICH FEEDS
INTO THE CRISIS TRANSMISSION
PLANNING PROCESS OR TPP DEPICTED
IN PURPLE AND BLUE. ROGIC SIR
IDENTIFIED EITHER BY THE CHI SO
THROUGH THE TPP PROCESS OR BY
THE UTILITIES FOR THE LOW VOTER
ID SYSTEM. FROM THERE THE
PROJECTS FOLLOW DIFFERENT
PERMITTING PATHWAYS EITHER THE
PROJECTS ARE PERMIT EXEMPT OR
THEY GO THROUGH THE QC
PERMITTING AND SEEK A REVIEW.
THE GREEN BOXES DEPICTS THE
PROJECT CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND
THE ORANGE BOXES AT THE FAR
RIGHT REFLECT THE PROJECT COSTS
LITIGATION AT FIRST. AND
ULTIMATE COST RECOVERY. FINALLY
THE PC RECENTLY ADOPTED A
TRANSMISSION PERMIT REVIEW
PROCESS WHICH OPERATES IN
PARALLEL. TO ENHANCE RATEPAYER
PROTECTIONS BY BRINGING
TRANSPARENCY TO UTILITY COSTS
THAT GO INTO TRANSMISSION OWNER
RATE CASES AT FOR IMPORTANTLY
THIS PARALLEL PROCESS. DOES NOT
HOLD UP THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
THE PUC'S IRP PROCESS PRODUCES
ANNUAL FORECASTS OF THE
PORTFOLIOS OF RESOURCES EXPECTED
ON THE GREAT OVER THE NEXT TEN
TO FIFTEEN YEARS. AND IT'S BASED
ON THE I. R. P. FILINGS OF THE
LOAD SERVING ENTITIES WE HAVE
ABOUT FORTY OF THEM. AND IT'S
ONE OF THE KEY DRIVERS OF THE
TRANSMISSION EXPANSION IN
CALIFORNIA. THE RP PROCESS ALSO
OPTIMIZES CLEAN ENERGY RESOURCE
PROCUREMENT TO ACHIEVE THE MOST
COST EFFECTIVE SYSTEM PLAN TO
REACH THE STATE'S AGGRESSIVE GHG
TARGETS WHILE ALSO ENSURING
RELIABILITY. FURTHER THE END
RESULTS OF THE CRISIS
TRANSMISSION PLAN FEED INTO THE
I. R. P. WHICH IN TURN DEVELOP
PORTFOLIOS THAT INFORMED THE
FUTURE HI SO TRANSMISSION PLANS.
AND THROUGH THIS CYCLICAL
PROCESS WE ARE CONTINUALLY
UPDATING OUR P. ASSUMPTIONS SUCH
AS RESOURCE COSTS THE PLANS AND
PROCUREMENT ACTIVITIES OF THE PC
JURISDICTION AUSSIES. AND
INFORMATION. ABOUT TRANSMISSION
CONSTRAINTS. IN TO PROVIDING
KAISER WITH THE MOST COST
EFFECTIVE RESOURCE PORTFOLIOS
NEEDED TO MEET CLIMATE GOALS THE
RP PROCESS CONDUCTS WHAT'S
CALLED BUSPAR MAPPING WHICH
ENVISIONS THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS
WHERE THESE NEW RESOURCES ARE
MOST LIKELY TO BE DEVELOPED. AND
THEREFORE THE BUSBAR ARE THAT
TRANSMISSION SUBSTATION
LOCATIONS WHERE THEY WOULD
CONNECT TO THE GRID. BUSPAR
MAPPING IS FOUNDATIONAL TO THE
CRISIS ANALYSIS AND HELPS TO
OPTIMIZE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS. THE CBC'S
LOAD FORECASTS DEVELOPED IN THE
AYE PER IS ANOTHER KEY INPUT AND
THE STATE'S LOAD FORECAST IS
INCREASING BECAUSE OF
ELECTRIFICATION POLICIES WHICH
TRIGGERS THE NEED FOR MORE CLEAN
ENERGY RESOURCES AND IN TURN
MORE TRANSMISSION. NEXT SLIDE
PLEASE. FOR EXAMPLE IF WE LOOK
AT THIS CHART WE CAN SEE HOW THE
PC PORTFOLIOS THAT WERE CONVEYED
TO KAI SO IN THE TWENTY TWENTY
ONE TPP CYCLE INCLUDED. JUST
TWELVE GIGAWATTS OF NEW CAPACITY
AND THAT RESULTED IN THREE NEW
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS. TWO YEARS
LATER THE TWENTY TWENTY THREE
TWENTY TWO TWENTY THREE
PORTFOLIOS WERE MODELED USING A
LOWER GHG CONSTRAINT AND HIGHER
LEVELS OF TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION. AND THIS
RESULTED RESULTED IN FORTY
GIGAWATTS OF NEW CAPACITY AS WAS
MENTIONED EARLIER BY- THE
PREVIOUS SPEAKER. THIS IS MORE
THAN TRIPLE THE AMOUNT OF THE
TWENTY TWENTY ONE CYCLE. IN TURN
THE CHI SO PLAN APPROVED A
SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE
NUMBER OF PROJECTS FORTY FIVE
SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN THIS YEAR'S
PLAN THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHICH
WILL BE BUILT IN CALIFORNIA AT
AN ESTIMATED COST OF SEVEN
BILLION. FOR THE CURRENT TPP
CYCLE THE BASE PORTFOLIO THAT
THE P. YOU SEE CONVEYED TO KAI
SO INCLUDES EIGHTY FIVE K.
GIGAWATTS OF NEW CAPACITY BY
TWENTY THIRTY FIVE WHICH IS
INCLUSIVE OF THE FORTY GIGAWATTS
FROM BEFORE. AND WE EXPECT THIS
WILL TRIGGER SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS
OF NEW TRANSMISSION. GOING BACK
TO SLIDE TO IF I MAY. TURNING
BACK TO OUR PERMITTING ROLE THE
P. YOU SEE EMPLOYMENTS ARE
STATUTORY MANDATES THROUGH
GENERAL ORDER ONE THIRTY ONE D.
WHICH DETERMINES IF A PERMIT IS
REQUIRED AND WHAT TYPE OF
PERMIT. IS REQUIRED THE CRITERIA
AND ONE THIRTY ONE D. ARE
TRIGGERED IF THEY'RE CREEK
TRIGGERED THE TRANSMISSION OWNER
MUST SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR A
CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC
CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY OR C.
PCM. OR FOR SMALLER PROJECTS A
PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT OR PTC. IF
NOT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT IS
PROJECT IS THAT FROM THE PC
PERMIT PROCESS AND SEEKS
APPROVAL OF THE AN INFORMAL
ADVICE LETTER FILING WHICH
TYPICALLY TAKES UP TO FORTY FIVE
DAYS TO COMPLETE AND BY AND
LARGE NO FURTHER P. YOU SEE
OVERSIGHT. IS REQUIRED. I SEE
PCN IS REQUIRED FOR CONSTRUCTION
OF MAJOR ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION
LINE FACILITIES DESIGNED FOR
OPERATION AT. TWO HUNDRED
KILOVOLTS OR MORE. AT A C. B. C.
N. IS A HIGHER BAR THAN A PC AND
REQUIRES. A SHOWING OF COST AND
NEED AN ASSESSMENT A NON WIRES
ALTERNATIVES PURSUANT TO PUBLIC
UTILITIES CODE I THOUSAND TWO
POINT THREE. A P. C. IS REQUIRED
FOR CONSTRUCTION OF POWER LINES
DESIGNATED FOR OPERATION AT
FIFTY TO TWO HUNDRED KV OR
SUBSTATIONS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO
OPERATE BELOW FIFTY KV. UNLESS
THEY'RE PART OF A PROJECT WITH
THE TRANSMISSION LINE ABOUT TWO
HUNDRED KV. THERE ARE MANY
EXCEPTIONS FROM NEEDING A PTC.
INCLUDING REPLACEMENT OF
EXISTING POWER LINES WITH
EQUIVALENT FACILITIES MINOR
RELOCATION OF EXISTING POWER
LINE FACILITIES ADDING
CONDUCTORS INSULATORS AND OTHER
ACCESSORIES TO EXISTING
STRUCTURES. CONVERSION OF
EXISTING OVERHEAD LINES TO
UNDERGROUND AND OTHER
EXEMPTIONS. COULD YOU PLEASE
GIVE FORWARD TO SLIDE FOR. TO
GIVE A SENSE OF HOW MANY
PROJECTS FALL INTO THESE
PERMITTING PATHWAYS. FROM TWO
THOUSAND AND 422-000-2000 AND
TWENTY TWO. ABOUT 80% OF
PROJECTS SUBMITTED TO THE P. C.
FOUR HUNDRED TWENTY EIGHT OUT OF
FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY FIVE WERE
EXEMPT FROM THE PERMITTING
PROCESS. FOR THE 20% OF PROJECTS
THAT HISTORICALLY GO THROUGH
PERMITTING THE PROCESS TYPICALLY
TAKES UNDER TWO YEARS. AS SHOWN
IN THE TO THE TO SEEK BERMAN A
REVIEW AS PER. IN PARALLEL WITH
THE P. YOU SEE PERMITTING
PROCEEDING TO SAVE TIME. THE P.
YOU SEE HAS PROCESSED A HUNDRED
SEVEN PERMITS SINCE TWO THOUSAND
AND FOUR ONLY A THIRD OF THESE
PERMITS ARE THIRTY FIVE HAVE
TAKEN MORE THAN TWO YEARS. TO BE
ISSUED AND THE PRIMARY REASONS
FOR THOSE LONGER TIMELINES WERE
SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC OPPOSITION TO
THE APPLICATION AND RELATED
ENVIRONMENTAL EVALUATIONS.
APPLICANTS MAKING SUBSTANTIAL
CHANGES TO THEIR APPLICATIONS
TRIGGERING CHANGES IN THE
RELATED SECRET DOCUMENTS.
APPLICANTS PROVIDING
INSUFFICIENT PROJECT NEED
JUSTIFICATIONS WHICH CREATES
CHALLENGES IN DEVELOPING THE
SECRET DOCUMENT. AND RESULTS IN
PROCEEDING DELAYS AND DELAYS
RESULTING FROM COORDINATION WITH
FEDERAL NEPA PROCESSES IN AN
EFFORT. TO PREPARE JOINT NEED A
SECRET DOCUMENTS AS REQUIRED BY
TITLE FOURTEEN OF THE CALIFORNIA
CODE OF REGULATIONS. THE P. YOU
SEE HAS OPENED A PROCEEDING TO
UPDATE AND AMEND GEO ONE THIRTY
ONE D. PURSUANT TO THE
REQUIREMENTS OF SENATE BILL FIVE
TWENTY NINE FROM LAST YEAR.
WHICH EXEMPTS ANY EXTENSIONS
EXPANSIONS UPGRADES OR OTHER
MODIFICATION OF AN EXISTING
TRANSMISSION LINE OR SUBSTATION
FROM THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CPC
AND INSTEAD. DIRECTS THE USE OF
THE PTC FOR THE MORE STREAMLINED
PROCESS. WE ARE ALSO CONSIDERING
OTHER CHANGES BASED UPON STAFF
EXPERIENCE IMPLEMENTING THE
GENERAL ORDER TO PROVIDE A
CLEARER MORE EFFICIENT AND
CONSISTENT PERMITTING PROCESS
FOR COMPLYING WITH SB FIVE
TWENTY NINE. AND OTHER
APPLICABLE LAWS POLICIES AND
ORDERS. CHANGES TO GENERAL ORDER
ONE THIRTY ONE D. BEING
CONSIDERED INCLUDE CREATING A
DISTINCT PROCESS FOR BATTERY
STORAGE PERMITTING. INCREASING
TRANSPARENCY ON COSTS. PROVIDING
BETTER NOTICE TO LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS. AND REFLECTING
CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE
ONE THIRTY ONE D. WAS LAST
AMENDED IN NINETEEN NINETY FIVE.
LAST SLIDE PLEASE ANOTHER WAY OF
LOOKING AT THE IMPACT OF PC
PERMITTING. THE PROJECT IS TO
LOOK AT IT IN DOLLAR TERMS. THIS
IS MY FINAL SLIDE SHOWING TOTAL
INVESTMENT IN TRANSMISSION FOR
THE LARGE THREE UTILITIES AND
THE STATE WHY TOTAL. IN SIX
YEARS FROM TWENTY SIXTEEN TO
TWENTY TWENTY ONE THE TOTAL
VALUE OF TRANSMISSION PROJECTS
THAT WENT INTO OPERATION IS OVER
TWELVE BILLION. OF THIS NEARLY
SEVEN BILLION IS SO CALLED
UTILITY SELF APPROVED MEANING
THE UTILITY IDENTIFIED PROJECTS
THAT REPAIR AND REPLACE EXISTING
TRANSMISSION ASSETS. OVER THE
SAME PERIOD ABOUT FIVE BILLION
IN KITES TO APPROVE PROJECTS
WHEN IN OPERATION AND OF THESE
LESS THAN TWO BILLION REQUIRED
YOU SEE PERMITS ONLY ABOUT 15%
OF THE TOTAL. LOOKING FORWARD TO
KAI SO ESTIMATES THROUGH THEIR
TRANSMISSION CONCEPTUAL OUTLOOK
SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN
TRANSMISSION. AT UTILITY
RATEPAYER COSTS THAN AS WE BUILD
OUT THE GRID WE MUST BE MINDFUL
OF RATE PRESSURES BY ENSURING
THAT TRANSMISSION OWNERS
DEMONSTRATE COST DISCIPLINE. ONE
SUCH STRATEGIES THE PUC'S NEWLY
ADOPTED TRANSMISSION PROJECT
REVIEW PROCESS. THE P. YOU SEE
ADVOCATES FOR CALIFORNIA REPAIRS
AT BURKE ON TRANSMISSION UNDER
RATE CASES WHERE TRANSMISSION
COSTS GO INTO RATES. BUT BY THEN
IT'S TYPICALLY TOO LATE TO
CHALLENGE ANY OF THE COST
OVERRUNS OR IMPRUDENTLY MANAGED
PROJECTS. SO THE TPR PROCESS
SUBJECTS THAT THREE MAJOR
TRANSMISSION OWNERS TO SEMI
ANNUAL DATA COLLECTION AND
ANALYSIS DISCOVERY AND
STAKEHOLDER REVIEW. IMPORTANTLY
AS I SAID EARLIER THIS DOES NOT
INTERFERE WITH THE PROJECT
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. TO RECAP
THE PC PERMITTING PROCESS IS
ONLY TRIGGERING ON A SMALL
PERCENTAGE OF PROJECTS FOR THOSE
PROJECTS THE P. YOU SEE HAS
TRACKING EFFORTS IN PLACE TO DO
WHAT WE CAN TO. EXPEDITIOUSLY
MOVE THEM ALONG BUT WE CAN ONLY
ASSIST TO SELL DEVELOPERS WITH
SOME BARRIERS THEY FACE MANY
ISSUES ARE OUTSIDE OUR CONTROL
SUCH AS OBTAINING PROJECT
FINANCING LAND ACQUISITION
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND
AVAILABILITY. AND EQUIPMENT
SHORTAGES TO NAME A FEW. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS
OPPORTUNITY THAT CONCLUDES MY
REMARKS THANK YOU MISTER BAKER
WANT TO STELLAR THEY ANNOUNCE-
WITH THE P. G. S. B. G. ANNIE.
WELCOME THANK YOU AND GOOD
AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN GARCIA AN
HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE MY NAME IS A STELLAR
DAY ANALYSTS AND I AM THE VICE
PRESIDENT OF ENERGY PROCUREMENT
AND SUSTAINABILITY FOR SAN DIEGO
GAS AND ELECTRIC COMPANY. I AM
PLEASED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU
TODAY TO PROVIDE US THE GENIE'S
PERSPECTIVE ON BUILDING
TRANSMISSION FOR THE CLEAN
ENERGY TRANSITION. ESTY GENIE IS
A REGULATED PUBLIC UTILITY THAT
SERVES THREE POINT SEVEN MILLION
PEOPLE IN SAN DIEGO AND SOUTHERN
ORANGE COUNTIES. OUR SERVICE
TERRITORY SPANS OVER FOUR
THOUSAND SQUARE MILES AND OUR
SYSTEM INCLUDES OVER EIGHTEEN
HUNDRED MILES OF ELECTRIC
TRANSMISSION LINES AND OVER
SEVENTEEN THOUSAND MILES OF
ELECTRIC DISTRIBUTION LINES. WE
HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH
PLANNING PERMITTING CONSTRUCTING
AND MAINTAINING SAFE AND
RELIABLE ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE
THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITIES WE
SERVE WHICH INCLUDES SOME OF THE
STATE'S MOST FIRE PRONE AND
ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS
. THE CLIMATE DRIVEN EXTREME
HEAT EVENTS IN TWENTY TWENTY AND
TWENTY TWENTY TWO. LONGER AND
WORSENING WILDFIRE SEASONS AND
LOSSES OF LIFE AND PROPERTY MAKE
IT PLAIN THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS
ACCELERATING. AND WE HAVE NO
TIME TO WASTE. CALIFORNIA HAS
SET AMBITIOUS CLIMATE GOALS TO
ACHIEVE ECONOMY WIDE CARBON
NEUTRALITY BY TWENTY FORTY FIVE
AND ATTACHED TO MY TESTIMONY IS
A SUMMARY OF KEY MILESTONE DATES
THAT ILLUSTRATE. OUR COLLECTIVE
ATTENTION IS FOCUSED ON GETTING
TO NET ZERO. TO MEET THIS GOAL
THE STATE MUST DECARBONISE FOUR
POINT FIVE TIMES FASTER THAN IT
HAS OVER THE PAST DECADE. ESTY
GENIE STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE
STATE'S GOALS AND IN TWENTY
TWENTY TWO WE DEVELOPED A
ROADMAP THAT EXAMINES THE
IMPLICATIONS OF THIS TRANSITION.
FOR ENERGY SYSTEM RELIABILITY
AND RESILIENCY. AS CALIFORNIA
REDUCES ITS DEPENDENCE ON FOSSIL
FUELS IN FAVOR OF CLEAN
ELECTRICITY. WE ESTIMATE THAT
ELECTRIC GENERATION CAPACITY
WILL NEED TO INCREASE
APPROXIMATELY FOUR TIMES THE
CAPACITY THAT EXISTED IN TWENTY
TWENTY TO RELIABLY MEET THE
GROWING ELECTRICITY DEMAND. THIS
INCREASE STEMS LARGELY FROM
WIDESPREAD ELECTRIFICATION OF
VEHICLES BUILDINGS AND SELECT
INDUSTRIAL PROCESS SEES. IN
ORDER TO MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS
UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNTS OF
ELECTRICITY MUST BE DELIVERED TO
CUSTOMERS AND TO DO THAT WE MUST
BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED
FASTER THAN EVER BEFORE. THE
PATH TO BUILDING TRANSMISSION IS
LONG AND COMPLICATED. IT CAN
TAKE TEN TO FIFTEEN YEARS OR
LONGER TO FORECAST CUSTOMER
DEMAND PLAN THE SYSTEM AND
FINALLY CONSTRUCT THE
INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE ENCOURAGED
BY THE RECENT MOU BETWEEN CHI SO
THE CDC AND THE CPUC TO
COORDINATE MORE CLOSELY ON
IDENTIFYING AND APPROVING NEEDED
CLEAN ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE. YET
THE CHALLENGES THE STATE FACES
FOR NEW TRANSMISSION ARE ON
PRESIDENT. CRISIS NEW
TRANSMISSION PLAN IDENTIFIES
FORTY FIVE PROJECTS FOR SYSTEM
EXPANSION STATEWIDE AND UPGRADES
IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS THE
LARGEST TRANCHE OF NEW
TRANSMISSION AND CRISIS PLANNING
HISTORY. AND THIS DOES NOT
ACCOUNT FOR THE TRANSMISSION
NEEDED OVER THE LONGER TERM TO
ACCESS RESOURCES LIKE OFFSHORE
WIND. ESTY GENIE IS GRATEFUL FOR
THE WORK BEING DONE BY
LEGISLATORS AT THE STATE AND
FEDERAL LEVEL. THE GOVERNOR'S
OFFICE AND ACROSS THE VARIOUS
AGENCIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE
FOR PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTING
CALIFORNIA'S ENERGY TRANSITION.
BUT PERHAPS THE BIGGEST
CHALLENGE AND DEVELOPING
TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE
QUICKLY IS THE COMPLEX AND
LENGTHY PERMITTING AND
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS
PARTICULARLY FOR LINEAR
FACILITIES WHICH OFTEN ACROSS
MANY JURISDICTIONS. WE KNOW THIS
CHALLENGE WELL FROM BUILDING THE
SUNRISE POWER LINK A FIVE
HUNDRED KV HIGH VOLTAGE
TRANSMISSION LINE CARRYING ONE
THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF POWER.
THAT RUNS APPROXIMATELY ONE
HUNDRED AND TWENTY MILES ACROSS
THE STATE FROM OUR IMPERIAL
VALLEY SUBSTATION INTO SAN DIEGO
. THE PLANNING FOR THE SUNRISE
POWER LINK BEGAN IN TWO THOUSAND
AND FOUR AFTER A CDC STUDY FOUND
THAT QUOTE TRANSMISSION UPGRADES
AND EXPANSIONS ARE CRITICAL TO
ENSURING A ROBUST AND RELIABLE
ELECTRIC SYSTEM. THE PROCESS AT
CPUC REQUIRED SDG NEED TO
LITIGATE THE NEED FOR THE
PROJECT BEFORE AN ADMINISTRATIVE
LAW JUDGE AND TO UNDERGO A
COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL
REVIEW. ULTIMATELY THE PROJECT
UNDERWENT APPROXIMATELY FIVE
YEARS OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW
AND PERMITTING ALONE. THE CBC'S
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT WAS
APPROXIMATELY ELEVEN THOUSAND
PAGES AND EVALUATED OVER ONE
HUNDRED ALTERNATIVES. THE
PROJECT REQUIRED SEVENTY
DIFFERENT PERMITS FROM OVER
TWENTY EIGHT DIFFERENT AGENCIES
NOT JUST THE CPUC. OUR
ORIGINALLY PROPOSED NORTHERN
ROUTE ALONG AN ALREADY EXISTING
TRANSMISSION CORRIDOR WAS
BLOCKED DUE TO CITING
CONSTRAINTS ACROSS THE STATE
LANDS. ADDING SIGNIFICANT DELAY
AND EVALUATION OF ADDITIONAL
ROUTING OPTIONS. ULTIMATELY THE
US FOREST SERVICE APPROVED THE
LINE THROUGH THE CLEVELAND
NATIONAL FOREST. YEARS OF
LITIGATION IN BOTH STATE AND
FEDERAL COURT FOLLOWED. THE LINE
TOOK TWENTY ONE MONTHS TO
CONSTRUCT AND WAS EVENTUALLY
ENERGIZED IN TWENTY TWELVE. ESTY
GENIE APPRECIATES THE VARIOUS
EFFORTS UNDER WAY TO EXPEDITE
AND STREAMLINE THE PROCESS EASE
OF PLANNING AND BUILDING
ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION.
UNFORTUNATELY WE WORRY THAT
CRISIS TEN YEAR PLAN WILL NOT BE
BUILT WITHIN TEN YEARS. BUT WE
SEE OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE THE
PROCESS THESE INCLUDE THE
FOLLOWING. NUMBER ONE LEVERAGING
THE WORK DONE DURING THE CASE SO
PLANNING PROCESS TO AVOID
DUPLICATIVE NEED DETERMINATIONS.
NUMBER TWO STREAMLINING SEACOR
REVIEW FOR DESIGNATED CLEAN
ENERGY ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE
PROJECTS AND WILDFIRE RISK
MITIGATION. NUMBER THREE.
EXPEDITING THE PROCESSES FOR
NATURAL RESOURCE CONSERVATION
AND SPECIES PROTECTION. A NUMBER
FOR EXPANDING EXISTING RIGHTS OF
WAY THROUGH STATE OWNED LANDS TO
ADVANCE CLEAN ENERGY GOALS AND
TO MEET MODERN DAY SAFETY AND
RELIABILITY STANDARDS. JUST AS
THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE
CONTINUE TO ACCELERATE SO WEST
MUST WE ACCELERATE OUR REVIEW OF
CLEAN ENERGY PROJECTS WE SEE
OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE A CLEAN
SAFE RELIABLE ENERGY FUTURE
WHILE PROTECTING ENVIRONMENTAL
RESOURCES. AND COMMUNITY VALUES
AND WE STAND READY TO WORK WITH
YOU AND EVERYONE ON THIS PANEL
TO ACHIEVE THE STATE'S GOALS FOR
THE BENEFIT OF FUTURE
GENERATIONS THAT CONCLUDES MY
TESTIMONY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY
THANK YOU VERY MUCH WILL GO WELL
WITH THE LAST PRESENTER NATALIE
WHEN IT. SHIPS WITH THE CLEAN
ENERGY SINCE- TEAM THEIR TASK
FORCE WELCOME THANK YOU I DON'T
IN MY SIDES ACTUALLY THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR GARCIA AND
MEMBERS OF THE ASSEMBLY
COMMITTEE THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY TODAY MY
NAME IS NATALIE NEEDS YEARS I AM
A CLEAN ENERGY CITING ASSOCIATE
THE CLEAN AIR TASK FORCE CJTF.
WE ARE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION
WORKING IN THE U. S. AND
GLOBALLY TO REDUCE AIR POLLUTION
AND GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
QUICKLY AFFORDABLY AND
EQUITABLY. CA TF HAS BEEN ASKED
TO SPEAK TO THE CHALLENGES
CALIFORNIA FACES AND BUILDING
THE ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION SYSTEM
REQUIRED TO ME IT'S CLEAN ENERGY
POLICY GOALS. ARE COMMON SEEK TO
CONVEY THE SCALE OF THE
CHALLENGES AT HAND PROVIDE
INSIGHTS INTO EXTENSIVE PROJECT
DELAYS AND THEIR IMPLICATIONS
AND IDENTIFY WHERE AREAS OF
POLICY REFORM MAY REDUCE
DEPLOYMENT CHALLENGES. AS I'M
SURE YOU ON THEM. CALIFORNIA HAS
SET AMBITIOUS CLIMATE AND CLEAN
ENERGY GOALS. WITH THE PASSAGE
OF SB ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY
EIGHTEEN THE STATE HAS REQUIRED
1100% OF ITS RETAIL ELECTRICITY
NEED BE SUPPLIED WITH RENEWABLE
AND ZERO CARBON RESOURCES BY
TWENTY FORTY FIVE. MEETING THIS
GOAL WILL REQUIRE AN
UNPRECEDENTED BUILD OUT A ZERO
EMITTING GENERATION FACILITIES
BUT THIS ACTION WILL FALL SHORT
IF NOT MATCH WITH THE
TRANSMISSION CAPACITY. NEEDED TO
CONNECT THESE RESOURCES TO THE
GRID. ACCORDING TO THE TWENTY
YEAR TRANSMISSION OUTLOOK
PUBLISHED LAST YEAR BY THE
CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT SYSTEM
OPERATOR CHI SO. MORE THAN
THIRTY BILLION DOLLARS IN NEW
TRANSMISSION CAPACITY WILL BE
NEEDED OVER THE NEXT TWO
DECADES. A TWENTY TWENTY ONE
STUDY RELEASED BY PRINCETON
UNIVERSITY SUGGESTS THAT IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA TRANSMISSION
CAPACITY MAY NEED TO TRIPLE BY
TWENTY FIFTY. IN ORDER TO REACH
FULL DECARBONISATION ACROSS ALL
SECTORS. THEIR COMBINATION OF
UPGRADING EXISTING POWER LINES
AND BUILDING NEW FACILITIES. THE
NEEDED CAPACITY ADDITIONS IN
CALIFORNIA ARE HUGE BUT THE BILL
OUT PIECE IS SLOWING AT THE
EXACT MOMENT AND NEEDS TO RAMP
UP DRAMATICALLY. PROJECT
TIMELINES ARE LENGTHY AND
REGULARLY FACE UNCERTAINTIES AND
DELAYS. FOR CONTEXT ON THE
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN WHOLE
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS ARE
IDENTIFIED ANNUALLY AND THE
CRISIS TRANSMISSION PLANNING
PROCESS. FURTHER PUBLIC POLICY
ECONOMIC OR RELIABILITY NEED
WITH A FEW OF THESE PROJECTS
MADE ELIGIBLE FOR COMPETITIVE
SOLICITATION. MOST MAJOR
PROJECTS MUST THEN OBTAIN
PERMITS THEIR STP THROUGH THE
CPUC WHO LEADS TO SIMULTANEOUS
PERMITTING PROCESSES AND
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW UNDER CEQA
AND THE PROJECT NEEDS AND COST
REVIEW. OFTEN CALLED A C. P. C.
N. FOR LARGER PROJECTS. WITH ALL
NECESSARY PERMITS FROM STATE
AGENCIES PROJECTS REFER TO
CONSTRUCT. OUR FACTSHEET AND
PRESENTATION DISTRIBUTED TO YOU
TODAY GOES IN DEPTH INTO EACH
STEP OF THIS PROCESS. LAST YEAR
CA TF PUBLISHED A REPORT CALLED
GROWING THE GRADE WHICH
IDENTIFIED CHALLENGES CALIFORNIA
WILL FACE AND BUILDING THE SCALE
OF CLEAN ENERGY NEEDED. AND THAT
REPORT WE EXAMINE TIMELINES FROM
PROPOSAL TO COMPLETION FOR EVERY
MAJOR TRANSMISSION PROJECT
IDENTIFIED IN THE CASES
TRANSMISSION PLANS FROM THE LAST
DECADE. THESE PROJECTS ARE.
PROJECTS WITH COST IN EXCESS OF
FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS THE CASE-
DEEMED NECESSARY FOR STATE
NEEDS. WE FOUND THE EACH OF
THESE TWENTY FOUR PROJECTS
REQUIRED A DECADE OR MORE TO
PLAN PERMIT CONSTRUCTION. ON
AVERAGE THEY TOOK. THEY TOOK
MORE THAN FIVE YEARS LONGER TO
COMPLETE THAN PRICE ARE
ANTICIPATED. AND WE ALSO FOUND
THAT FIFTEEN PROJECTS SLATED FOR
COMPLETION WITHIN THE NEXT THREE
YEARS HAVE TAKEN NEARLY THREE
TIMES LONGER THAN ANTICIPATED.
THIS YEAR WE DID A DEEPER DIVE
ASSESSING THE DEVELOPMENT OF
THIRTEEN MAJOR TRANSMISSION
PROJECTS. BREAKING DOWN THE
TIMELINE INTO EACH STEP OF THE
PROCESS WE FOUND THE FOLLOWING.
FIRST THIS ANALYSIS REINFORCED
OUR PREVIOUS FINDINGS THAT
PROJECTS FREQUENTLY STRETCH
BEYOND. SIGNIFICANTLY BEYOND
THEIR INITIAL COMPLETION DATES.
SECOND WE NOTICED THE DELAYS ARE
PARTICULARLY SEVERE IN TWO PARTS
OF THE PROCESS FIRST IN THE TIME
IT TAKES TO SUBMIT PROJECT
APPLICATIONS TO THE CPUC TO
BEGIN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND ALSO THE SECOND AND THE TIME
IT TAKES TO COMPLETE THE
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. ANOTHER
CHF ANALYSIS FOUND THAT THE CPUC
STATUTORY TIMELINE FOR APPROVING
A C. PCN IS THE LONGEST OF ALL
WESTERN STATES AT NINETEEN
MONTHS. THAT THERE ARE NO
AVENUES FOR EXPERT ANY
EXPEDITING A CBC INTERVIEW LIKE
THERE ARE IN SIMILAR STATEWIDE
GRID SUCH AS NEW YORK OR TEXAS.
AND THE C. P. C. N. PROCESS
REQUIRES A DUPLICATIVE NO
PROJECT ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS.
FINALLY GIVEN THE ADDED
COMPLEXITY WE FOUND THAT MULTI
STATE PROJECTS TENDED TO TAKE
LONGER TO COMPLETE. THE IMPACTS
OF TRANSMISSION DELAYS NOT ONLY
HAVE IMPACTS ON THE CLIMATE BUT
ALSO ON RATE PAYERS TO RIDE
RISING PROJECT COSTS. THIS IS A
LIMITED BY FINDINGS FROM THE
BRATTLE GROUP AND THE CPUC.
BRATTLE ESTIMATES. THAT ON
AVERAGE PROJECTS IN CALIFORNIA
OUR 33% HIGHER THAN THEIR
ORIGINAL COST ESTIMATES. IN
ADDITION CPUC FINDING SHOW THAT
TRANSMISSION REVENUE
REQUIREMENTS INCREASED NEARLY
40% BETWEEN TWENTY SIXTEEN AND
TWENTY TWENTY ONE. ALL OF THIS
WILL HAVE IMPACTS ON RATEPAYERS
WITH RATES EXPECTED TO BE 10220%
HIGHER THAN THE RATE OF
INFLATION BY TWENTY THIRTY.
HOWEVER DEVELOPERS ARE CURRENTLY
NOT REQUIRED TO REPORT COSTS
MAKING IT CHALLENGING TO FULLY
ASSESS THESE IMPACTS. AND THE
BRATTLE GROUP ALSO FOUND THAT
PROJECTS THE UNDERGO COMPETITIVE
SOLICITATION TENDED TO BE
LOWERING COSTS. ABOUT 30% LESS
COSTLY COMPARED TO PROJECTS THAT
ARE ANTICIPATED. THAT THEN THE
COST INTO SUPERIOR FROM
INCUMBENT UTILITY. TODAY I WILL
CONCLUDE WITH THREE MAIN POLICY
CHALLENGES THAT EMERGE FROM
ANALYSIS ALONG WITH SOME
CONSIDERATIONS OF WHERE POLICY
REFORM COULD BE HELPFUL. FIRST
TRANSMISSION PERMITTING IS SLOW
AND REGULARLY FACES DELAYS AND
UNCERTAINTIES. TO ACCELERATE
THIS PERMITTING PROCESS THE CPUC
CAN RECLASSIFY THE LEVEL OF
PERMITTING REVIEW REQUIRED TO
MODERN STANDARDS AND REDUCE
REDUNDANCIES. FOLLOWING THE
PASSAGE OF SB FIVE TO NINE. THE
CPSC HAS BEGUN THE PROCESS TO
REWRITE GENERAL ORDER ONE THIRTY
ONE D. WHICH DICTATES THE LEVEL
OVERVIEW FOR PERMITTING PROJECTS
AND COULD PROVIDE NEEDED
UPDATES. YOU MAY ALSO CONSIDER
WHETHER MODELS LIKE AB TWO OH
FIVE WHICH TRANSFER SEQUEL
REVIEW TO THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY
COMMISSION. AND ACCELERATE
REVIEW FOR SOME CLEAN ENERGY
PROJECTS COULD ALSO BE EXTENDED
TO TRANSMISSION. THE SECOND
POLICY CHALLENGES THAT PROJECT
COSTS ARE INCREASING AND HAVING
READ ON IMPACTS ON RATEPAYERS
WHO ALREADY FACE HIGH PRICES. TO
HELP MANAGE REPAIR AND PACKS THE
CBSE COULD REQUIRE COST
REPORTING OF TRANSMISSION
PROJECTS DEVELOPED BY REGULATED
UTILITIES. PROVIDING MORE
TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC SCRUTINY
OF INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. THERE'S
ALSO POTENTIAL TO EXPAND
OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMPETITIVE
SOLICITATION GIVEN THE COST
SAVINGS THAT BRIDAL FOUND AND IS
OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CASE
SO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REFORM
ITS TERROR OF TO CHANGE WHICH
PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS.
YOU MAY ALSO CONSIDER WHETHER
STATE FINANCING OPTIONS FOR
PROJECTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO
MEET STATE GOALS. THE PUBLIC
ADVOCATE'S OFFICE FOUND THAT
STATE FINANCING COULD SAVE UP
225% FOR REPAIRS WHICH COULD
AMOUNT TO TWENTY EIGHT BILLION
DOLLARS IN SAVINGS OVER THE
COMING DECADES. WE ALSO
ENCOURAGE QUESO IN OTHERS TO
FULLY CONSIDER OPTIONS FOR
INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF
EXISTING TRANSMISSION LINES AS
AN ALTERNATIVE TO NEW GREENFIELD
DEVELOPMENT AS CHRYSLER IS DOING
AND THIS YEAR'S TRANSMISSION
PLAN. FINALLY PROACTIVE PLANNING
PROCESSES THAT ENSURE
TRANSMISSION IS READY AND
AVAILABLE TO BE USED WHEN AND
WHERE GENERATION IS BUILT WILL
BE CRUCIAL WE COMMEND CASE ON
MOVING TOWARDS GREATER
PRODUCTIVITY AND ITS RECENT
TRANSITION PLANS. IN SUMMARY THE
TRANSMISSION DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
IS FAILING TO SET CALIFORNIA ON
THE PATH TO A CLEAN ENERGY
FUTURE. WITHOUT REVISIONS TO
CURRENT PLANNING AND PERMITTING
PROCESSES IT WILL BE
TREMENDOUSLY DIFFICULT FOR
CALIFORNIA TO CONNECT NEW
GENERATION TO THE GRID IN TIME
TO MEET CLIMATE CLEAN ENERGY
GOALS. THANK YOU I WELCOME ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND WE'RE
HAPPY TO TALK MORE WITH YOU
AFTER THE HEARING ON ANY MATTER
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE HAVE
A COUPLE COLLEAGUES ARE READY TO
ASK SOME QUESTIONS- JUST
CALDERON THEY'LL LOOK TO MY
RIGHT. HERE SEE IF ANYONE ELSE
WANTS TO GET IN LINE. I THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR- I UNDERSTAND
THAT IT'S THE PROCESS TO-
FORECAST PLAN AND BUILD. IT IT'S
VERY. BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO
TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE
ENVIRONMENT THE COMMUNITIES OF
PUBLIC HEALTH. AND SO I GUESS MY
QUESTION IS WHAT CAN THE
LEGISLATURE DUE TO. HELP ESTY
GENIE AND OTHER DEVELOPERS WHEN
IT COMES TO PERMITTING AND SOME
OF THE OTHER. CHALLENGES THAT
YOU IDENTIFIED. THANK YOU
ASSEMBLYMEMBER CALDERON I ASSUME
THAT QUESTION WAS FOR ME. OKAY-
I THINK ONE THING TO. CONSIDER
IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS THAT IS A
SPECIFIC KIND OF CHALLENGE THESE
ARE LONG LINEAR PROJECTS THEY GO
THROUGH MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS.
AND STATE AGENCIES AS WELL AS
FEDERAL ENTITIES- FORMS LIKE
THIS ONE FRANKLY ARE HELPFUL I'M
HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY AND I
PROMISE YOU I WILL BE FOLLOWING
UP WITH MY CO PANELISTS TO SEE
WHAT WE CAN DO AND- AND HOW WE
CAN WORK TOGETHER. BUT WITH
RESPECT TO THE LEGISLATURE- THE
THEMES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY
FOCUSED ON ESTY GENIE ARE AROUND
THE- CPU SEES SYKORA AND
PERMITTING PROCESS. AND IS
MISTER BAKER- REFERENCE TO THERE
IS AN OPEN- PROCEEDING WE WILL
BE PARTICIPATING CONSTRUCTIVELY
IN THAT PROCEEDING- BUT WE
BELIEVE THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME
OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE
APPROPRIATE WITHIN SYKORA ITSELF
AS A STATUTE TO PROVIDE CLARITY
TO THE CPUC STAFF. WHO ARE I
HAVE TO ASSUME GOOD INTENTIONS
TRYING TO COMPLY WITH SYKORA. SO
SENSIBLE. AMENDMENTS TO SEE WHAT
OUR ONE OPPORTUNITY FOR US.
TURNING TO SOME OF THE OTHER
AGENCIES THAT ARE INVOLVED-
RESOURCE PLANNING NATURAL
RESOURCE IMPACTS ARE OFTEN
BIOLOGICAL IMPACTS IN PARTICULAR
ARE OFTEN A CONSTRAINT THAT WE
ENCOUNTER. AND SO THERE ARE
POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE FISH
AND GAME CODE THAT COULD HELP
PROVIDE SOME CONSISTENCY BETWEEN
THE FEDERAL HABITAT CONSERVATION
PLANNING APPROACHES. AND THE
STATE. NATURAL RESOURCE
CONSERVATION PLANNING- STATUTES
THAT EXIST I THINK THAT'S AN
AREA OF OPPORTUNITY FOR
STREAMLINING THAT WOULD BENEFIT
ESTY GENIE FOR SURE POTENTIALLY
OTHER ENTITIES AS WELL. AND THEN
ANOTHER AREA OF OPPORTUNITY THAT
I THINK THE LEGISLATURE COULD
HELP WITH IS SPECIFIC TO RIGHTS
OF WAY. STATE OWNED LANDS- ARE
OFTEN IMPLICATED IN THESE ROUTES
AND THE STATE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO HELP ADDRESS THE CLIMATE
CRISIS BY CREATING CORRIDORS OR
AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGING THE
EXISTING RIGHTS OF WAY THAT
UTILITIES HAVE HAD. FOR DECADES
THAT EXIST FOR THE PURPOSE OF
ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION THESE
RIGHTS OF WAY WERE CREATED AT A
TIME WHEN WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT
THE CHANGES OF EXTREME WINDS AND
- HIGHER RISK AND SO THEY DO NOT
MEET THE STANDARD WITH POORER.
HEALTH AND SAFETY AND CLIMATE
RESILIENCY THAT WE NEED TODAY
UNDER THE DESIGN STANDARDS SO
AS- AN EXPRESSION OF INTENT AND
PERHAPS AN EXPANSION OF EXISTING
UTILITY RIGHTS OF WAY. WITH
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT MITIGATION
AND WITH NOTICE AND WITH JUST
COMPENSATION I THINK THOSE ARE
OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THE STATE
MIGHT MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE A
MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE. OKAY AS
IN MEMORY OF. THANK YOU MISTER
CHAIR- MY QUESTION IS FOR- PLEA
MR BAKER WITH THE PC. CAN YOU
ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON
THE TIMELINESS THAT YOU DESCRIBE
RELATED TO THE APPLICATIONS DOES
THE TIMELINESS BEGAN WHEN YOU
RECEIVE THE APPLICATION OR AT
WHAT POINT DO YOU MAKE A- OF THE
APPLICATION IS DEEMED COMPLETE.
THANK YOU THE QUESTION THERE'S A
REALLY IMPORTANT STEP WHICH IS
THE- THAT PROJECT PER MONTH
PROPONENTS- ENVIRONMENTAL-
ASSESSMENT THAT P. E. A IT'S
ESSENTIALLY- THAT THE DOCUMENT
THAT PROVIDES. YOU SEE STAFF ALL
OF AND OUR CONSULTANTS ALL THE
STAFF THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION
THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE
APPLICATION TO BE DEEMED
COMPLETE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO
BEGIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW
PROCESS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER-
MANY TIMES THAT THE TIME LINES
GET TRIPPED UP BECAUSE- THOSE-
IT TAKES AWHILE FOR THAT TO COME
TOGETHER AND TO BE DEEMED
COMPLETE. AND SO THE TIME LINES
THAT I SPOKE TO EARLIER IN MY
PRESENTATION WHERE FROM THE TIME
THAT IT'S DEEMED COMPLETE TO THE
COMPLETION OF THE PART OF THE
PROJECT. AND WHAT'S THE FOLLOW
UP WHAT IS THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF
TIME BUT WHEN YOU GET THE
APPLICATION AS TO WHEN YOU
DEMAND COMPLETE. WHEN YOU NEED
TO GET ALL THOSE PIECES TOGETHER
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE I DON'T
HAVE THE EXACT ANSWER FOR YOU- I
DO HAVE SOMEBODY WITH ME THAT
COULD PROVIDE THAT ANSWER OKAY.
GREAT OF COURSE MY COLLEAGUE
FORWARD- POLANSKI CENTER BILL
READ- W. UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T.
THANK YOU UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T
HAVE THAT SPECIFIC ANSWER FOR
YOU IS ACTUALLY IT'S ALWAYS IT
DEPENDS- WHEN WE ARE GIVEN. A
PRELIMINARY INFORMATION- WE HAVE
WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT. THE
DEVELOPER DECIDES IS APPROPRIATE
AND BE EVALUATED TO SEE IF IT'S
COMPLETE AND USUALLY WE TURNED
THAT AROUND IN THIRTY DAYS. AND
DEPENDING ON THE BACK AND FORTH
THAT. IS SOME DONE BY THE
DEVELOPER AND C. C. STAFF IT IT
VARIES HI YOU KNOW I CAN
PROBABLY TRY TO. FIND YOU A
TYPICAL AVERAGE BUT I CAN'T DO
THAT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH AND THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR
I THINK- IF YOU CAN I THINK IT
WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. FOR THE
LEGISLATURE TO UNDERSTAND THE
TIMELINESS AND TIMELINE PROCESS
AND THE AVERAGE TIME THAT IT
TAKES TO GET FROM. STEP EIGHT
THROUGH THE COMPLETION PROCESS
AND IF THERE'S WAYS THAT THE
LEGISLATURE CAN BE HELPFUL IN
ENSURING THAT THAT'S DONE IN A
MORE. OF A PROACTIVE AND TIMELY
MANNER TO MEET OUR GOALS I THINK
THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL
I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU AS
WELL PLEASE. THANK YOU ASSEMBLY
MEMBER CARILLO- IN THE
APPLICANT'S EXPERIENCE- AND I'M
SPEAKING NOW IS SOMEONE WHO- BUT
WAS FORMERLY OF. ANNETTE
ENVIRONMENTAL AND SEE QUOTE
TOURNEY PRIOR TO COMING TO THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY. THE
SEQUEL PROCESS AT THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION IS VERY
UNIQUE WITH RESPECT TO THIS P.
E. A REQUIREMENT. THE TIME FRAME
THAT IT TAKES AN APPLICANT TO
PREPARE THE PROPONENTS
ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT IS AKIN
TO PREPARING AN ENVIRONMENTAL
IMPACT REPORT UNDER C. CLASS IT
IS. VERY SIMILAR IF NOT
DUPLICATIVE AND IT TAKES ABOUT A
YEAR FOR AN APPLICANT ON AVERAGE
TO PUT TOGETHER THE P. A. THAT
IS THE APPLICATION FOR THE CPUC.
THE CPUC HAS A VERY ROBUST PVH
CHECKLIST THAT IT UTILIZES TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICATION
IS COMPLETE. AND IT IS RARELY
COMPLETE UPON THE FIRST
SUBMITTAL TO THE CPUC THERE IS
OFTEN USUALLY A BACK AND FORTH
BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE
CPC AND THAT TAKES TIME. WE CAN
FOLLOW UP WITH SOME OF THE TIME
FRAMES IN OUR EXPERIENCE OF
APPLICATIONS THAT THEN. HAD TO
BE RESUBMITTED- AND SOMETIMES IT
IS ON US SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE
ON AGENCY STAFF- THIS IS NOT
ABOUT ASSIGNING ANY SORT OF
BLAME BUT I DO WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT PROCESS IS
VERY CUMBERSOME. AND THEN ON THE
OTHER END OF IT THE CPUC PER
GENERAL ORDER. ONE THIRTY ONE
WILL INITIATE AN ENVIRONMENTAL
REVIEW PROCESS SO. THEY WILL
RELY ON I'M SURE THE PA BUT
THERE'S AN ENTIRE SEQUEL PROCESS
THAT THAT FOLLOWS THAT IS. AGAIN
NOT MY EXPERIENCE PRIOR TO
COMING TO THE UTILITY. CORRECT
SOMEONE CALLED. THANKS CHAIR-
JUST HEARD QUICK FOLLOW UP ON
THE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED AROUND
SYKORA. ACCORDING TO THE CPC
FROM TWENTY TWELVE TO TWENTY
TWENTY THREE OF A TOTAL OF SIX
HUNDRED AND SIXTY FOUR PROJECTS
THAT REQUIRED CPC REVIEW. SIX
CENTER NAY PROJECTS WERE
ACTUALLY EXEMPT FROM SEQUEL- SO
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WITH SO
MANY PROJECTS EXAMS- IS A REALLY
ACCURATE TO SAY THAT SEACOR IS
NOT THE MAIN ISSUE. THAT IS
DELAYING THE APPROVAL OR
CONSTRUCTION OF TRANSMISSION
PROJECTS. IS THAT A QUESTION TO
ME ASSEMBLYMEMBER ACTOR THANK.
TO BE CANDID- WHATEVER HAS
HAPPENED TO DATE IS A LITTLE BIT
IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THE SCOPE AND
THE SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
AT MOVING FORWARD IS
UNPRECEDENTED. AND SO I CAN TELL
YOU THAT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF
MANAGING A TEAM OF ENVIRONMENTAL
PROFESSIONALS WITHIN THE
UTILITY. I THINK ABOUT WHAT
RESOURCES DO I HAVE AND DO I
NEED MOVING FORWARD TO PREPARE
THE APPLICATIONS TO CONDUCT THE
WORK TO COMPLY WITH EVEN OUTSIDE
OF THE CQC'S REQUIREMENTS. THE
ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE ISSUES
AND PERMITTING THAT ARE
IMPLICATED IN THESE KINDS OF
PROJECTS- THAT IS JUST TO SAY
THAT AGAIN WHATEVER EXPERIENCE
WE'VE HAD TO DATE- MAY NOT APPLY
IN THE FUTURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD
AND WE LOOK AT FORTY FIVE
PROJECTS STATEWIDE- THE SCALE OF
WHICH WE HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE.
YEAH AND WE RECOGNIZE THE THAT
THE CHALLENGE IT'S A DAUNTING
TASK AS MORE AND MORE OF THESE
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS CAUGHT HER
COMING TO US FROM THE KAISER
TRANSMISSION PLANNING PROCESS
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE BIGGER
PROJECTS TO. AND IT'S THE BIGGER
PROJECTS THAT TEND TO BE THE
MORE COMPLEX ONES THE ONES THAT
FACE THAT YEP THE LITANY OF
ISSUES THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER
THAT HAVE. HUNG UP SOME PROJECTS
IN THE PAST ON THEIR TIMELINES
PARTICULARLY WITH- PUBLIC
OPPOSITION- SOME CHANGES TO
ROUTES WHICH COME UP SOMETIMES
AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER WITH
REGARD TO SUNRISE. IT WAS A
NECESSITY TO CHANGE THE ROUTE
AND THEN- YOU KNOW YOU KIND OF
START OVER WITH THE
ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT THERE SO
AND YOU KNOW WE'RE- VERY
COGNIZANT OF THE OF THE
CHALLENGE THAT'S BEFORE US AND
WE THINK THAT ARE ONE THIRTY ONE
D. REVIEW PROCESS WILL PREVENT
WILL PROVIDE ONE OPPORTUNITY FOR
US TO. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT CAN
BE DONE TO- TO TIGHTEN UP- ARE
PERMITTING PROCESS IS ONE THING
THAT I DID WANT TO MENTION WITH
REGARD TO THE PA IS THAT IT. IT
DOES PROVIDE. OUR STAFF THE
ROBUST INFORMATION THAT WE
BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE
TO DO. A SOLID SECRET DOCUMENT
SO THAT ARE PROCEEDING. AND THE
INFORMATION THAT'S IN THE IN THE
RECORD OF THE PROCEEDING AND THE
BASIS ON WHICH THAT DECISION IS
MADE. BY THE COMMISSION HOLDS UP
ON JUDICIAL REVIEW BECAUSE MANY
TIMES. THESE DECISIONS STATE A
FACE APPEAL AND THEY GO TO
JUDICIAL REVIEW. AND I THINK
YOU'LL FIND THAT. THE PC HAS A
PRETTY GOOD RECORD AS FAR AS
HAVING OUR DECISIONS ON
PERMITTING. PROJECTS HOLD UP TO
JUDICIAL REVIEW. GRADE ONE.
HEARD HOW CAN WE ENSURE THE
TRANSMISSION IMPROVEMENTS DO NOT
FALL INTO ELECTRICAL CONSUMERS.
WHO ARE ALREADY PAYING EXTREMELY
HIGH RATES AS WE KNOW. THAT'S
THE GREAT CHALLENGE OF THE DAY-
I WORK A LOT ON RATES ISSUES
AND- WE SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE
LEGISLATURE SB SIX NINETY FIVE
REPORT ON ACTIONS TO WIN ACOSTA
RATE INCREASES. IT'S SOMETHING
WE'VE BEEN VERY FOCUSED ON FOR
YEARS NOW IS LOOKING AT TRENDS
IN RATES THAT HAVE ARE NOW
EXCEEDING THE RATE OF INFLATION.
AND WE'RE PURSUING A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO- TO
ADDRESS THAT I WILL SAY THAT. A
TOTAL POCKETBOOK OR TOTAL WALLET
PERSPECTIVE. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN
. OVER TIME IS THAT AS THE SALES
OF ELECTRICITY INCREASES THE
RATE IS GOING TO GO DOWN. AND IN
ADDITION THE- REDUCE CONSUMPTION
OF GASOLINE AND OF NATURAL GAS
FOR BECAUSE BUILDING
ELECTRIFICATION IS GONNA HAPPEN
MORE MORE- WILL ALSO HELP TO
OFFSET SO LOOKED AT ON A TOTAL
WALLET BASIS. I THINK THE
PICTURE IS BETTER BUT WE HAVE TO
BE VERY DISCIPLINED ABOUT COST
CONTROL AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE
VERY FOCUSED ON BRING AS MUCH
TRANSPARENCY AS POSSIBLE TO THE
COSTS OF THESE ASSETS AS THEY'RE
BEING REVIEWED THROUGH OUR
PROCESSES. AND ANOTHER REASON
WHY OUR PROCEEDINGS REALLY DO
FOCUS ON JUSTIFICATION OF THE
NEED ENSURING THAT IT'S THE MOST
COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET THE
ELECTRONS DELIVERED TO WHERE
THEY NEED TO BE. LIKE TO OPEN UP
TO OTHERS THAT MAY WANT TO CHIME
IN ON THAT KIND OF TO LEND
PERSPECTIVE ON THAT IF. ANYONE
WANTS TO PLEASE YEAH IF I MAY I
THINK I'LL REITERATE SOME OF THE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR POLICY REFORM
THAT I MENTIONED. IN MY
TESTIMONY ONE IS THAT- COST
TRANSPARENCY AND REQUIRING COST
REPORTING WOULD BE HUGE- VERY
HELPFUL TO ORGANIZATIONS LIKE US
WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET
MORE INSIGHTS INTO WHERE.
PROJECT COST INCREASES ARE
COMING FROM AND HOW THEIR HOW
THEY WILL IMPACT RATE PAYERS- AS
WELL THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO
LOOK INTO EXPANDING COMPETITIVE
SOLICITATION FOR- THESE MAJOR
TRANSMISSION LINE PROJECTS THAT
WE'VE SEEN COMPETITIVE
SOLICITATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY
CAN. I GET PROJECTS BUILT FASTER
SOMETIMES AND AT A LOWER COST-
AS WELL I WOULD RECOMMEND
LOOKING INTO STATE FINANCING
OPTIONS- THAT COULD REDUCE
IMPACT OF RATE PAY FOR REPAIRS.
AND THEN WE MAY ALSO CONSIDER
OPTIONS- LIKE I SAID- EXPANDING.
EXISTING TRANSMISSION LINE
CAPACITY IN PREVENTING. NEW
GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT. THE I'VE
JUST. EXCUSE ME OUT ALSO JUST
LIKE TO TAG ON TO SOME EARLIER
BECAUSE- OF. IN OUR TRANSITION
PLANNING PROCESSES WERE FOCUSING
ON FINDING THE MOST EFFICIENT
AND COST EFFECTIVE WAY. TO
DELIVER THAT ENERGY MAPPED OUT
THROUGH THE CPC'S RESOURCE
PLANNING PROCESSES. TO SERVE
LOAD. THE OVERALL OPTIMIZATION
WAS ALREADY BASED ON THE INPUT
OF TRANSMISSION COST
INFORMATION. INTO THE CQC'S
PROCESSES SO THAT THE PEOPLE ASK
US QUITE FREQUENTLY ABOUT HOW
WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
AND IT'S THROUGH THE
COLLABORATION WITH THE STATE
AGENCIES RESOURCE PLANNING. THAT
ONCE THAT DECISIONS MADE THOSE
ARE THE GOOD AREAS WITHIN LOOK
TO OPTIMIZE THE SOLUTION TO FIND
THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET
THE POWER FROM THOSE AREAS TO
SERVE CUSTOMERS. I'D LIKE TO
PIGGY BACK ON THAT AND UNDER
SCORE IT BECAUSE THE IN ADDITION
TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW
STRIKING ME AS DUPLICATIVE
UNIQUELY AT THE CPUC- THE
DETERMINATION OF NEED. I TALKED
ABOUT THE SUNRISE BARRELING
PROJECT BUT A LOT HAS CHANGED
SINCE THE PYTHON REYES PERIL AND
PROJECT THE FACT THAT WE HAD TO
LOOK AT SO MANY ALTERNATIVES IN
THAT CASE AT THAT TIME. WAS IN
PART BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE
THIS ROBUST PROCESS AT THE CPUC
ANOKYE SO FOR DETERMINING THE
NEED IDENTIFYING THE RESOURCES
THEN PLANNING THE TRANSMISSION
TO BRING THOSE RESOURCES ONLINE
I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. WITH THE
GENERAL ORDER BEING OPENED UP TO
REEVALUATE HOW THE COMMISSION
EVALUATES NEED IT IT DOES NOT I
WOULD SUBMIT NEED TO BE WHAT IT
HAS LOOKED LIKED TODAY. I ALSO
LIKE TO JUST TOUCH ON THE
JUDICIAL REVIEW. THERE'S ALL
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS
SPECIAL AND UNIQUE ABOUT THE
COMMISSION THERE MANY THINGS
THAT ARE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE
ABOUT THE COMMISSION. BUT ONE
THING IS THAT ON SEEK WHAT
CHALLENGES. DOES OF THAT
LITIGATION GETS FILED AT THE
SUPREME COURT. AND THE
COMMISSION ENJOYS A UNIQUE
AMOUNT OF DEFERENCE. TO THEIR
UNDERLYING SEQUEL A DECISION
THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN OTHER
PLACES IN OTHER CONTEXTS I THINK
YOU CONSIDER- SEE QUOTE REFORM
THAT INVOLVES. OF JUDICIAL
REVIEW TO THE COURT OF APPEAL-
INSTEAD OF THE SUPERIOR COURT
AND THE COMMISSION ALREADY
ENJOYS THAT THAT PRIVILEGE- I AM
NOT AWARE OF ANY INSTANCE WHERE
THE SUPREME COURT HAS
REEVALUATED A COMMISSION SYKORA
DETERMINATION IN THE LAST
DECADE. SO I THINK THAT GIVES
STAFF A FAIR AMOUNT OF
CONFIDENCE THAT THEIR DECISION
ON SEEK WAS NOT GONNA BE
DISTURBED IN LITIGATION THANK
YOU FOR THAT. WITH THE MESSAGE.
THANK YOU I AM. IN A WEEK WE-
TALK A LOT ABOUT- HOW WE
RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO. WHAT
IS A TRIPLE QUADRUPOLE.
TRANSMISSION BUILD OUT TO MEET
OUR OUR OUR CLIMATE GOALS- AND I
ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE TO. I S.
C. H. ANY AND THE TASK FORCE
FOR- FIGHTING RECOMMENDATIONS
YOU KNOW BECAUSE YEAH WE'RE
WE'RE ALL ABOUT TRYING TO- ARE
THE- SOLUTION RATHER THAN PART
OF THE PROBLEM- AND SO I WANTED
TO GO DOWN THE LIST OF SOME OF
THE- PROPOSALS THAT I HEARD-
FIRST THE FOR THE- THE CLEAN AIR
TASK FORCE- YOU YOU HAD TO. I
WAS ONE OF YOUR PROPOSALS- TO
PROACTIVELY PLAN AND DEVELOP
TRANSMISSION. ISN'T THAT WHAT HI
SO IS DOING AND IF NOT WHAT OR
WHAT. YOU KNOW MORE DO YOU WANT
TO SEE THAN WHAT CRISIS WAS
DOING YES SIR WE COMMEND K. SO
ON THEIR EFFORTS AND ESPECIALLY
IN THE LAST TRANSITION PLAN TO
PROACTIVELY PLAN I THINK THAT.
ALL IN ALL WE CAN SEE MORE
COORDINATION ACROSS EXISTING
AGENCIES TO IDENTIFY
PARTICULARLY AREAS WHERE
GENERATION MOST URGENTLY NEEDS A
TRANSMISSION TO CARRY THAT
ENERGY- AND POTENTIALLY
IDENTIFIES SPECIFIC CORRIDORS
ARE SPECIFIC. LINES THAT WOULD
BE MOST BENEFICIAL TO THE
STATE'S NEEDS OKAY SO. YOU JUST
WANT TO SEE MORE OF WHAT CHI SO
OF WHAT YOU SEEN YES I'M
CONSENSUALLY IDENTIFICATION AND
TO EXPEDITE IDENTIFY AT TO PLAN
FOUR LINES THAT COULD BE
POTENTIALLY ALSO EXPEDITED- TO
MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE BUILT
AND PRIORITIZE FIRST. AND SO
TURN INTO CARS SO I MEAN IT IS
THAT YOUR PLAN THAT YOU DO DO
YOU EXPECT YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT
WHETHER WE NEED TO DOUBLE
TRIPLE- OUR- OUR TRANSMISSION
EFFORTS TO IDENTIFY PRIORITY
QUARTERS. YES IN TERMS OF
PRIORITIZING THIS IS WHAT WE-
ACTUALLY SET OUT TO ACCOMPLISH
WHEN WE PUT OUT THE TWENTY YEAR
OUTLOOK IN THE SPRING OF LAST
YEAR WAS THE SET UP THAT LONGER
TERM GAME PLAN OF WHAT IT TOOK
TO ACHIEVE THE LONGER TERM GOALS
AT THE TIME TWENTY FORTY- THIS
YEAR WILL BE DOING ANOTHER
UPDATE TO THAT OUTLOOK LOOKING
IT. UP TO TWENTY FORTY FIVE TO
HELP SET THE CONTEXT AND HELP
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE
PRIORITIZING CERTAIN AREAS IN
THIS YEAR'S TRANSMISSION PLAN WE
WERE ABLE TO MOVE ON A LOT OF
THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE SOUTH.
THE WENT BEYOND THE BASIC
REQUIREMENTS OF THE FORTY
GIGAWATT PORTFOLIO BUT- WE ALSO
KNEW AND WERE ALREADY DOING SOME
WORK FOR NEXT YEAR WE KNOW THERE
WILL BE A BIG EMPHASIS ON THE
OFFSHORE WIND DEVELOPMENT. SO WE
SEE THAT TYPE OF LONGER TERM
ACADEMIC MORE ACADEMIC WORK
THAT'S HELP SETTING THE CONTEXT.
BUT. THEN PRIORITIZING WITHIN
EACH YEAR STE ITS MISSION PLAN.
WHICH OF THE PROJECT WE NEED TO
FORWARD WITH NOW. AND HOW CAN WE
WERE WITH IN THE TO GET THOSE.
SO WE LIKE I SAID WE SEE THE
TWENTY YEAR OUTLOOK DOVETAILING
WITH AN ANNUAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
TO ACTUALLY ENABLE THAT
PRIORITIZATION. AND THE
PRIORITIZATION ALSO COMES INTO
EFFECT- ASIDE FROM THE TIMELINE
CHALLENGES WITH SOME OF THE
MAJOR PROJECTS A GROWING CONCERN
FOR US IS ACTUALLY THE TIME IT
TAKES FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER
MORE LOCALIZED PROJECTS. THAT
THOSE ARE HARDER TO DEAL WITH
THROUGH A PROACTIVE TRANSMISSION
PLANNING PROCESS. BECAUSE MANY
OF THOSE UPGRADES ACTUALLY
DEPEND ON WITHIN A EVEN A TIGHT
GEOGRAPHIC ZONE. YOU KNOW THERE
MIGHT BE TWENTY PROJECTS
APPLYING TO CONNECT ONLY THREE
OR FOUR OF WHICH ARE ACTUALLY
GOING TO GET CONTRACTS. BUT THE
LOCAL UPGRADES DEPEND ON WHICH
OF THOSE PROJECTS ACTUALLY GET A
CONTRACT AND MOVE FORWARD. SO
THOSE HAVE ACTUALLY BECOME EVEN
A BIGGER CHALLENGE FOR US TO
MANAGE AND PRIORITIZE WITH
UTILITIES. BECAUSE WE ONLY
REALLY GET THE GREEN LIGHT TO
MOVE ON THOSE WHEN THE
GENERATORS GET CONTRACTS. AND
GIVE THE NOTICE TO PROCEED AND
ACTUALLY ENGAGE. SO THE THOSE
SMALLER PROJECTS CAN ACTUALLY BE
A BARRIER AS WELL AND THE
SMALLER PROJECTS YOU'RE TALKING
NOT JUST IN OUR CONNECTION BUT
ALSO TRANSMISSIONS SMALLER LOCAL
UPGRADES THAT ARE WITHIN WITHIN
THE ZONE WITHIN THE AREA. BUT
THEY ALSO NEED THE LARGE
PROJECTS TO GET THE POWER TO A
MAJOR LOAD CENTER. BUT EVEN
WITHIN THE AREA WE HAVE THE
SMALLER UPGRADES THAT CAN BECOME
AN IMPEDIMENT. THOSE ONES I HAVE
TO ADMIT WE'RE HAVING MORE
TROUBLE TRYING TO PROACTIVELY
PLANNED FOR. AND THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR
IMPROVING THE LINKAGES BETWEEN
OUR TRANSMISSION PLANNING. OUR
INTERCONNECTION. AND THE LOAD
SERVING ENTITIES PROCUREMENT
PROCESSES SO THAT WE CAN GET
BETTER SIGNALS EARLIER ABOUT.
WHICH PROJECTS ARE REALLY
SERIOUS IN THE AREA AND GET
GOING EARLIER BECAUSE IT'S ALL
ABOUT THE TIMING FOR US
PRIORITISING AND TIMING. OKAY
THANK YOU. ARM TURNING TO SEG N.
A. YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE
NUMBER ONE. PROPOSAL WAS TO
AVOID I THINK I RIGHT WROTE
DOWN- WAIT WAIT WE SAID AVOID
BASICALLY AVOID DUPLICATIVE
PERMITTING- WHEN YOU'RE TALKING
TO PLICATA OF OUR PERMITTING ARE
YOU ARE. YOU TALKING. YOU KNOW.
CITY STATES FEB. ALL OF THE
ABOVE. SO IT IT REALLY IS AROUND
THE C. P. UC'S PROCESS AS IT
EXISTS TODAY THE LAST TIME THE
RULES THAT THE CPUC WERE
CONSIDERED IT WAS NINETEEN
NINETY FIVE THIS GENERAL ORDER
THAT. IS NOW BEING- OPENED AND
RECONSIDERED THIS IS VERY MUCH
ALIVE ISSUE- THAT PROCESS IS
DUPLICATIVE IN TWO WAYS IN MY
EXPERIENCE ONE IS THE SEQUEL
PROCESSES DUPLICATIVE WE HAVE TO
FILE. ESSENTIALLY WE FILE ANY I.
R. AND THEN ANY I. R. IS
DEVELOPED. THERE THERE SEEMS TO
BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE THE SECOND IS WITH
RESPECT TO THE NEED
DETERMINATION DO WE NEED TO
BUILD THIS TRANSMISSION OR CAN
WE GET AWAY WITH NON WIRES
ALTERNATIVES. I WOULD SUGGEST
THAT IN THE PAST WE DID NOT HAVE
THE ROBUST IRP PROCESS AND THE
TRANSMISSION PLANNING PROCESS
AND OTHER GOOD WORK BY THE
STATE- SUCH THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD
THE OPPORTUNITY TO AVOID THAT
DUPLICATION AND PERHAPS TODAY WE
CAN REVISIT. THE NEED
DETERMINATION IN ADDITION TO THE
SEEK WHAT IT TERMINATION OKAY SO
THAT THAT IT'S ALL TAKING PLACE
AT THE CPUC OKAY IN ADDITION TO
THAT THERE ARE OVERLAPPING-
OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXAMPLE WITH
RESPECT TO NATURAL RESOURCES
BECAUSE WE HAVE FEDERAL
PROTECTIONS WE HAVE STATE
PROTECTIONS AND SO. PERHAPS
BETTER COORDINATION OR IF FOR
EXAMPLE THE STATE COULD
DETERMINE THAT ONCE YOU HAVE A
FEDERAL HABITAT CONSERVATION
PLAN WE WILL MAXIMIZE THE- THE
VALUE OF THAT THAT'S A BLANKET
PERMIT TO PROTECT RESOURCES AND
SPECIES THROUGHOUT FOR EXAMPLE A
SERVICE TERRITORY. OR AN AREA.
CHEMISTS DETERMINE THAT WORK.
WITH THAT VERSUS HAVING TO GET A
SEPARATE PERMIT FROM THE STATE
IT WOULD WITH THAT IS THAT PART
OF- YOUR- SUGGESTION NUMBER
THREE EXPEDITING NATURAL
RESOURCES PLANNING IT IS OKAY
AND IS. GIVEN THAT YOU TALKED
ABOUT COORDINATING FEDERAL AND
STATE PLANNING IS THAT WITHIN.
THE CONTROL OF. THE STATE
GOVERNMENT OR ARE ARE WE
DEPENDENT ON THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO COORDINATE THAT I
THINK OF THEM. THERE IS A YOU
KNOW IN AN INDEPENDENCE THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL DO
WHATEVER IT WANTS BUT WE CAN
CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE AND TRY TO
WORK TOGETHER. SO UGH GOING TO
YOU'RE AVOIDING DUPLICATIVE
PERMITTING THERE THERE THERE IS
CURRENTLY- THIS IS THE GENERAL
ORDER ONE THIRTY ONE D. REWRITE
THAT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE- THE WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING
NOW- SO DID DID YOU SAY THAT YOU
YOU. SCG ANNE HAS TO PREPARE AN
E. I. R. AND THE PC ALSO
PREPARES ITS OWN ER ESSENTIALLY
SO THE PROPONENTS ENVIRONMENTAL
ASSESSMENT WALKS THROUGH THE
SAME CHECKLIST OF RESOURCES AND
IMPACTS IT'S A VERY EXTENSIVE
APPLICATION OKAY- TO WHAT
EXTENT. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT DUPLICATIVE PERMITTING TO
WHAT EXTENT ARE YOU TALKING
ABOUT LOCAL. VERSUS STATE PERMIT
. SO WANTED OF THE GENERAL ORDER
THE CPC'S GENERAL ORDER IS THAT
IT PREEMPTS LOCAL DISCRETIONARY
ACTIONS SO MANY PERMITS ARE
PREEMPTED WE DON'T HAVE TO
TYPICALLY GET A USE PERMIT FROM
A COUNTY OKAY HOWEVER. THERE ARE
OFTEN ARGUMENTS THAT SOME ASPECT
OF OUR PROJECT TRIGGERS A LOCAL
PERMANENT. SUNRISE IS A GOOD
EXAMPLE WE NEEDED TO UTILIZE-
WATER THAT MET A CERTAIN
STANDARD- FOR A MITIGATION
MEASURE. AND WE HAD TO. GET A
LOCAL PERMIT FOR. THE USE OF
RECLAIMED WATER THAT MET THE
RIGHT STANDARD WE WERE UNABLE TO
DO THAT WE ENDED UP HAVING TO
TRUCK WATER LONG DISTANCES. TO
USE FOR DUST SUPPRESSION AND
OTHER SITE PREP WORK THAT THAT
PROCESS OF THE WATER USE FOR A
MITIGATION MEASURE WAS A
SUBSEQUENT PERMIT THAT WAS NOT
PREEMPTED WHO- WHO CALLED FOR
THAT. EDITION ALL PERMIT OR THAT
LOCAL PERMIT IT WAS A CONDITION
OF APPROVAL OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL
IMPACT REPORT THAT THE CPUC
APPROVED SO. THE CPUC WILL
CONDUCT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IT
WILL THEN IDENTIFY MITIGATION
MEASURES AND THOSE MITIGATION
MEASURES OFTEN REQUIRE
SUBSEQUENT ACTION BY A DIFFERENT
AGENCY OKAY BUT BUT IT'S NOT A
SEPARATE. PERMIT AS MUCH AS A
REQUIREMENT THAT THE PC IMPOSED.
IT CAN BE A SEPARATE PERMIT. WE
MAY BE REQUIRED TO GO AND GET
ANOTHER PERMIT TO MITIGATE AN
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FROM A
DIFFERENT AGENCY AND WILL IS SO
AND THAT EXAMPLE YOU JUST SHARED
WHERE WHERE DID THE- ADDITIONAL
PERMIT. OF HAVE TO BE WE WERE
WHERE DID THAT ADDITIONAL PERMIT
COME FROM. I BELIEVE HER ATWATER
IS ACTUALLY IT I BELIEVE WE
ATTEMPTED TO GET IT FROM THE
STATE WATER RESOURCES CONTROL
BOARD WE WERE UNABLE TO DO SO
AND WE ENDED UP WORKING WITH THE
CITY OF SAN DIEGO I BELIEVE
THAT'S HOW THAT WORKED OUT. SO
THEY DID THIS BECAUSE THAT'S A
QUESTION THAT I RAISED IN THE
OUR OUR LAST HEARING. I MEAN I
ASKED IS ARE THESE ARE A NEED
FOR YOU KNOW A MORE CENTRALIZED
LIKE A CENTRAL PERMITTING-
AGENCY- I. I THOUGHT I HEARD THE
P. YOU SEE REPRESENTATIVE SAYING
WELL THAT'S US. BUT YOU'RE
SAYING THAT. THAT IT WITH THE
PVC. ARM PERMITTING THESE
PROJECTS THEY THEY MAY TRIGGER
ADDITIONAL PERMITS THAT NEED TO
BE ISSUED BY THE CITY OF SAN
DIEGO OR BY THE STATE WATER.
RESOURCES BOARD- BY ME WELL DDT
DO YOU CAN YOU THEORETICALLY
ENVISIONED ANY KIND OF LIKE A
CENTRAL- PERMITTING AGENCY AT
THE STATE LEVEL THAT WOULD THAT
WOULD BE ABLE TO AVOID. THOSE
KIND OF ADDITIONAL HOOPS.
POTENTIALLY- I THINK THERE IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO COORDINATE THE-
THE REVIEW OF CERTAIN PROJECTS
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WE WOULD WE
WOULD NEED TO. TALK ABOUT- AS IT
EXISTS TODAY THE CPUC IS THE
LEAD AGENCY FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
REVIEW AND THEY PREEMPT A LOT OF
LOCAL DISCRETIONARY PERMITS BUT
DEPENDING UPON THE SCOPE OF THE
PROJECT WHAT ARE THE
JURISDICTIONS THAT IT GOES
THROUGH WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES
THAT IT IMPACTS AND WATER THE
LAND RIGHTS THAT WE NEED TO
ACQUIRE FROM OTHER AGENCIES. THE
CPUC MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PREEMPT
AND WE MAY STILL NEED TO GO TO
THOSE AGENCIES WHICH CAN BE
FEDERAL OR STATE. SO COULD OF
ANOTHER AGENCY FUNCTION- TO
SERVICE THE SEQUEL LEAD
POTENTIALLY- COULD THE
LEGISLATURE- IDENTIFY THAT THE
RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES THAT NEEDS
TO BE EVALUATED FOR CERTAIN
PROJECTS CAN BE NARROW- THAT
WOULD HELP I THINK REDUCE SOME
OF WHAT'S LOOKED AT OR- PREEMPT
FURTHER THE NEED FOR SOME.
PERMITS UNDER SOME CIRCUMSTANCES
I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY
THERE. I GO BACK TO ASSEMBLY
MEMBER GÓMEZ REYES IS WORDS AT
THE BEGINNING OF THIS.
INFORMATION SESSION TODAY THAT
WE'RE GONNA NEED A SUITE OF
OPTIONS PROBABLY THIS IS A
COMPLEX ISSUE- HUH- OKAY WE'RE
MOVING TO YOUR YOUR YOUR YOUR
NEXT TO- RECOMMENDATION
STREAMLINING SEEK WORK FOR CLEAN
ENERGY AND- PROJECTS AS WELL AS
WELL FIVE MITIGATION I THINK
THAT WAS THAT THE BAY
SUGGESTIVE. INDIA BOMBAY THERE
IS OUT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT
THE GOVERNOR IS PROPOSING AND
THE BUDGET TRAILER BILLS ARE YOU
ARE YOU ARE CALLING FOR MORE.
IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I LOOKED
AT THE BUDGET TRAILER BILLS BUT
I DID NOT SEE THAT THAT- GOT US
VERY MUCH IN TERMS OF
STREAMLINING THESE KINDS OF
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS- THAT IS
MORE ALONG THE LINES OF- AS AS I
AS I JUST MENTIONED IF WE HAD-
NARROWER RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES.
SEAQUEST SAYS YOU HAVE TO LOOK
AT A REASONABLE RANGE OF
ALTERNATIVES TO YOUR PROJECT
INCLUDING A NO PROJECT
ALTERNATIVE. THAT'S IN SEQUEL IN
THE COMMISSION FOLLOWS SEQUEL
WHEN IT IMPLEMENTS ITS GENERAL
ORDER. IF WE DESIGNATED THESE
PROJECTS AND DETERMINED THAT.
THE PURPOSES TO ASSESS AND
MITIGATE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS
WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A WHOLE
LOT OF TIME INVESTIGATING
ALTERNATIVES THAT WE KNOW ARE
NOT FEASIBLE SUCH AS MULTIPLE.
NON WIRES ALTERNATIVES IF THE
STATE HAS DETERMINED THAT WE
NEED TRANSMISSION. WE SHOULDN'T
HAVE TO EVALUATE SPECULATIVE
ALTERNATIVES THAT WE KNOW WE'RE
NOT GOING TO MEET. THE
TRANSMISSION FUNCTION AND THAT
IN THE PAST AGAIN THAT
OPPORTUNITY HASN'T EXISTED BUT
PERHAPS EITHER THROUGH
LEGISLATION. OF SYKORA. OR IN
THE GENERAL ORDER PROCESS OR
BOTH WE COULD MAKE SOME
IMPROVEMENTS THERE. IF I COULD
JUST ADD IN THERE TOO SO A STATE
LAW AND PUBLIC UTILITIES CODE-
ONE THOUSAND AND TWO POINT THREE
DOES REQUIRE FOR CPC HANDS. TO
GO THROUGH A REVIEW OF
ESSENTIALLY NON WIRES
ALTERNATIVES SO R. G. R. ONE
ZERO ONE THIRTY ONE THE REFORM
PROCESS CAN. MAKE REFORMS WITHIN
OUR DISCRETION UNDER CURRENT LAW
. THAT LAW DOES REQUIRE US TO
DO- AND ASSESSMENT OF NON WIRES
ALTERNATIVES. SO THAT COULD BE A
ANOTHER POTENTIAL IN THE SUITE
OF REFORMS TO ELIMINATE THAT.
REQUIREMENT THAT WE SUGGEST. I'M
NOT SUGGESTING IT I'M NOTING.
THE FLAG IN THE ISSUE I WOULDN'T
MIND YOU LOOKING AT THAT. OKAY
MMHM. YOUR E. JUMPING TO YOUR
NUMBER FOUR- FROM FD JEANNIE-
EXPANDING THE RIGHT READ THE
RIGHTS OF WAY OVER STATE LANDS-
I MEAN IS THAT. IS THAT
SOMETHING THAT HI SO IS ALREADY
LOOKING AT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO
THE USE OF RIGHTS OF WAY OUT WE
DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A LOT
OF OPPORTUNITY THERE TO EXPAND
CAPACITY IN CERTAIN RIGHTS OF
WAY AT TO MAKE BETTER USE OF THE
RIGHTS OF WAY WE ALREADY HAVE
THAT'S ALWAYS SICK AG KEY AREA
OF CONCERN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT
THE TRANSMISSION PLANNING. WE
HAVE ALSO AT TIMES A RUN INTO
THE CASES WHERE- BECAUSE THE
SYSTEM IS ALREADY SO HEAVILY
LOADED TAKING TRANSMISSION LINES
OUT OF SERVICE FOR SOME NUMBER
OF MONTHS TO REBUILD THEM TO A
HIGHER VOLTAGE. AS SOMETIMES
THAT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL SO-
THE USE OF EXPANDED RIGHTS OF
WAY IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE
LOOK AT IN ALL OF OUR PLANNING
WORK- IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK BUT
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALWAYS
CONSIDERING. THE ISSUE ABOUT
EVEN HAVING TO ASK. PURSUE A
SLIGHTLY WIDER RIGHT OF WAY THAT
IN ITSELF CAN TRIGGER THESE UP
VERY LENGTHY PROCESS. WE'VE HAD
A FEW CASES IN THE PAST WHERE
UTILITIES- WERE UPGRADING THE
CONDUCTORS UNCERTAIN
TRANSMISSION LINES NEEDING TO
RAISE A TOWER HERE THERE TO
ACCOMMODATE. AND REALIZE THAT
THEY WERE GOING TO REQUIRE AND
THE ONE CASE WAS THAT A FOOT OF
EXTRA RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE OF
THE HIGHER TOWER. AND IT WAS IT
WAS FASTER AND LOWER COST TO GO
BACK AND RE ENGINEER THE TOWER
DESIGNS. JUST TWO OF THE PULL
THE HEIGHT DOWN A HAIR. TO AVOID
THAT EXTRA FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT IN ITSELF TRIGGERING A
MAJOR SECRET PROCESS WAS JUST
YOU KNOW A THIRD RAIL THAT WAS
TOO HOT TO TOUCH. SO THERE ARE
THERE ARE THESE CASES WHERE THE
REQUIREMENTS ARE SO SPECIFIC.
THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL
AND THE OPPORTUNITY SPEAKER WE
PURSUE. I THINK SOME OF THE
WORDING WE'RE ALREADY SEEING IN
LEGISLATION ABOUT BETTER USE OF
RIGHT OF WAY FIGHT ALLOW US A
BIT MORE LATITUDE. ON SOME OF
THOSE AREAS BUT. I'M NOT SURE
HOW THAT'LL PLAY OUT YET. OKAY
BUT NOT THE YOU JUST MADE OF.
THE RIGHT AWAY LEE TRIGGERING A
MAKE A MAJOR SEEK. REVIEW DAY A
I GUESS I WOULD GO BACK TO MY
COLLEAGUE FROM MARIN COUNTY-
WHAT OUT OF OVER SIX HUNDRED OR
FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY FIVE.
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS ONLY
THIRTY FIVE REQUIRED. A SINGLE
PROCESS THIS WOULD BE ONE OF
THEM. THAT WOULD HAVE TRIGGERED
A SECRET PROCESS AND THAT'S WHAT
WE HAVE VOIDED BECAUSE WE HAD
GENERATORS THAT WERE LOOKING FOR
SERVICE. SO IT WAS WHAT CAN WE
DO TO MAKE SURE WE AVOID
TRIGGERING. A LENGTHIER. I LIKE
YOUR PERMITTING PROCESS MMHM. I
MEAN SO I'M NOT AMONG ALL THESE-
OPTIONS RECOMMENDATIONS- IDEAS
THAT THAT. THAT HAVE BEEN
IDENTIFIED IN THIS HEARING AID
YOU KNOW IS THERE ONE. YOU KNOW
THAT KIND OF STANDS OUT AS THE
AS THE THEY THEY- YOU KNOW THEY
THEY THE ONE THAT WOULD BE MOST
IMPACTFUL IN TERMS OF SPEEDING
UP THE PROCESS OF- OF THE
BUILDING HONOR IN. GREAT THANK.
MAYBE I'LL START WITH S. TICE
ANNIE. WELL I THINK- I MAY HAVE
TO SNEAK INTO OKAY- THE C. QUOTE
CPUC PROCESS WE'VE WE'VE TALKED
A LOT ABOUT THERE IS AN OPEN
GENERAL ORDER. BUT THAT THERE
ARE. CHANGES TO THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES CODE AND THE PUBLIC
RESOURCES CODE THAT WOULD.
PROVIDE CLARITY AND OPEN UP
OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE
COMMISSION I THINK. THAT'S
NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO ON
THE RIGHT OF WAY. I DO THINK IT
LOOKS UP THE UNDER GENERAL ORDER
ONE THIRTY ONE D. FOR THE
PURPOSE OF TRANSMISSION PUBLIC
UTILITIES CAN CONDEMN PRIVATE
LANDS RIGHT THAT'S THE HIGHER
AND BETTER USE ONCE IT'S GONE
THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT WE
DON'T HAVE THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY
THROUGH STATE LANDS AND SO IF
THE STATE WERE TO DETERMINE THAT
THE CLIMATE CRISIS IS A CRISIS
AND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE- ACT
ED AN OPTIMIZATION ALL COLLEGE
OF EXISTING UTILITY RIGHT RIGHTS
OF WAY. I SUSPECT THAT THAT
WOULD CREATE SOME OPPORTUNITIES
THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO FULLY
UTILIZE THOSE CORRIDORS ARE MORE
FULLY UTILIZE THOSE QUARTERS AND
AVOID SOME OF THE- THE PUBLIC
PROCEEDINGS THAT HAVE TO TAKE
PLACE IF FOR EXAMPLE STATE PARKS
HAS TO GRANT A RIGHT OF WAY. AND
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE
SHOULD DO THAT WITHOUT
MITIGATING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
IMPACTS OR PROVIDING
COMPENSATION. BUT THERE'S A
THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT THAT I
THINK COULD FACILITATE THE
UTILIZATION OF THOSE RIGHTS OF
WAY MORE FULLY OKAY. THAT CLEAN
AIR TASK FORCE YES ALL EMPHASIZE
THAT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A
SUITE OF OPTIONS THAT I SHOULD
BE NECESSARY IN THAT THERE ARE
LOW HANGING FRUIT LIKE THERE.
ONE THIRTY ONE THREE RIGHT THAT
THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES
THERE TO UTILIZE EXISTING
PROCESSES FOR FORM. ALSO
MENTIONED THAT I THINK THAT
THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO-
DESIGNATE SOME HIGH PRIORITY
TRANSMISSION LINES FOR FAST
TRACKED A STATE REVIEW.
POTENTIALLY EXPANDING MODELS
LIKE AB TWO OH FIVE WHICH
CURRENTLY ALLOWS DEVELOPERS TO
OPT- TO ACC ARE CERTIFYING
PROCESS FOR ENERGY PROJECTS- AND
THAT WOULD ALLOW. IF YOU EXPAND
THAT TO LARGER TRANSMISSION
PROJECTS AND THERE COULD BE-
OPPORTUNITY TO FAST TRACK THESE
REALLY HIGH PRIORITY HIGH COST
TREND UP PROJECTS THROUGH THE
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS.
THE DISCLOSURE HAVE SAW I OF
WHEN IT COMES TO PERMANENT. OUR
DIRECT EXPERIENCES MORE INVOLVED
WITH THE NEED TO TERMINATION. WE
ALSO SEE WHAT THE- SITUATION
TRANSMISSION OWNERS ARE GOING
THROUGH ON THE SECRET SIDE OF
THE TABLE. RUNNER BUT WE DON'T
HAVE DIRECT INVOLVEMENT WITH
THAT PART OF THE PROCESS SO I
WAS GOING TO STAY OUT OF THOSE
COMMENTS BUT WHEN IT COMES TO
THE NEED DETERMINATION WE ALSO
SEE AND LIVE THE DUPLICATION OF
THE NEED TO TERMINATION
EXERCISE. UP FOR THE LAST TWELVE
YEARS I'VE BEEN CONSISTENTLY THE
POLICY WITNESS AND CPUC
PROCEEDINGS WHERE THE NEED FOR
THE WHEN IT DOES GO TO A HEARING
WHERE THE NEED FOR THE
TRANSMISSION IS ACTUALLY BEING
REVISITED. AND THE IRONY ISN'T
ON US THAT WE'RE DEFENDING THE
NEED FOR THE TRANSMISSION. BASED
ON PORTFOLIOS PROVIDED BY THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION FOR
RESOURCE PLANNING TO ACHIEVE
STATE POLICY GOALS AND STATE
ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS. SO YOU KNOW
WE JUST LIVE THAT DUPLICATION
EVERY TIME OUT- WE SEE IT ADDING
TIME AND COST OF THE PROCESS.
AND ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE
THERE TO TIGHTEN THAT UP TO SAVE
TIME AND MONEY. I DON'T THINK
ANYONE SUGGESTING IN ANY OF THIS
WORK- RELAXING AND THE OF THE
ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS ARE
MAINTAINED IN THE STATE. BUT WE
DO SEE OPPORTUNITIES TO SAVE
TIME AND MONEY. BECAUSE AN
EXTENDED REGULATORY PROCESS
ITSELF. ADDS CONSIDERABLE TO THE
PROJECT COST ENGINEERING DOLLARS
HAVE BEEN SPENT THAT ARE RACKING
UP CARRYING COSTS- KEEPING STAFF
ENGAGED AND SO ON- SO THAT'S
WHERE WE'D ALSO BE STRONGLY
ENCOURAGING ANY POTENTIAL
REFORM. AND THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT
IS ALSO BEING ADDRESSED IN THE
THIS ONE THIRTY ONE D. RI RIGHT-
NOT. I DON'T BELIEVE YET- AT
THAT POINT I THINK THAT DOES
REQUIRE SOME LEGISLATIVE CHANGE
AND WE HAVE SEEN DIFFERENT
PIECES OF LEGISLATION. TOUCHING
ON THAT. BUT AND THERE ARE
DIFFERENT BILL SUCH I BELIEVE
RIGHT NOW IN THE PROCESS. BUT I
THINK IT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN
THE ONE THIRTY ONE D. REVIEW.
THAT. THE CPC HAS UNDER WAY.
OKAY THANK YOU AND IF WILL LAST
QUESTION THANK YOU FOR AND
DAHLE. MISTER CHAIR I- ONE IS
THE- ONE THIRTY ONE T. RE RIGHT-
PROCESS EXPECTING TO- BE
CONCLUDED. WHAT WE TYPICALLY
HAVE AN EIGHTEEN MONTH TIMELINE
IS KIND OF OUR OUR STANDARD TIME
LINE FOR. ANY REAL MAKING. SO
WHEN WITH THAT EIGHTEEN MONTH
PERIOD TO- BE REACH. WHEN THE
DOCKETS OPEN ALREADY RIGHT. YES
YES SO THE- THE ORDER
INSTITUTING WILL MAKING WAS.
INITIATED THE FAIRLY RECENTLY SO
ABOUT EIGHTEEN MONTHS FROM NOW.
OKAY SO BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER- SB
. FIVE TWENTY NINE REQUIREMENTS-
IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED
SB. FIVE TWENTY NINE REQUIRES
CERTAIN THINGS AND REQUIRES THAT
- G. O. ONE THIRTY ONE FIFTY. BE
COMPLETED BY THE FIRST OF
JANUARY. OF TWENTY TWENTY FOUR.
HOWEVER WE HAVE. WERE IN A
PROCEEDING AND WE HAVE TWO
OPTIONS OUT WHERE WE WOULD DO
THE BARE MINIMUM. PERV FIVE
TWENTY NINE. AND HAVE A MORE
EXTENSIVE CHANGE. AS A SIX
OPTION B. THAT WE HOPE. WE CAN
DO IT ALL TOGETHER BEFORE
JANUARY TWENTY IN JANUARY TWENTY
TWENTY FOUR BUT WE'RE HOPING WE
CAN DO A MORE RIGOROUS UPDATE OF
. J. L. ONE THIRTY ONE FIFTY.
AFTER SO WE WERE TRYING TO
STRATEGIZE MEETING THEIR WORK
LEGISLATION BUT ALSO MAKING THE
CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED
WITH INPUT FROM STAKEHOLDERS.
OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANK
YOU I HAVE A QUESTION TO- SDG
ANY RAP AND CLEAN OUR TASK
FORCE. MENTIONED OUR OPENING
REMARKS ABOUT THE MOU SIGNED BY
C. CC L. I. SO I'M INTERESTED TO
KNOW WHAT YOUR- EXPECTATIONS ARE
OF THAT ANIMAL YOU AND GREATER
COORDINATION BETWEEN THOSE THREE
ENTITIES OF LIKE TO KIND OF GET
A SENSE OF WHAT. WHAT
EXPECTATIONS ARE OUT THERE- FOR
US FOR YOU AS IT RELATES TO THE
CONVERSATION ABOUT ACCELERATING
THINGS ISN'T PARTICULARLY
TRANSMISSION BUILD OUT FROM JUST
HIS GATE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
WELL AND I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT
THE MO YOU IN A WHILE BUT MY
RECOLLECTION IS THAT THERE'S OF
. AN IMPROVEMENT WITH RESPECT TO
THE FORECASTING AND A SINGLE
FORECAST- AT THE VERY BEGINNING
OF THIS PROCESS WE START WITH
WHAT IS THE DEMAND THAT WE
ANTICIPATE AND SO THE MO YOU WAS
STREAMLINING THAT AN IMPROVING
THAT AND I THINK WE ARE SEEING-
WE'RE WE'RE VERY ENCOURAGED
ABOUT WHAT WE SEE SO FAR- OUT.
OTHER ASPECTS OF THE MO YOU ARE
ESCAPING ME- IN GENERAL I THINK
WE FEEL THAT IT IS A POSITIVE
STEP FORWARD AND OB CERTAINLY IF
WE IF WE FEEL THAT THERE'S ROOM
FOR IMPROVEMENT. WE WILL NOT BE
SHY WE ARE TRYING TO BE VERY
CONSTRUCTIVE IN THIS PROCESS AND
WE WILL. LET OUR THOUGHTS BE
KNOWN. I ECHOES REMARKS AND
THERE'S ALSO A PART OF THAT AND
ARE YOU ALSO HAVE NOT READ IN A
LONG TIME- THAT GIVES GREATER
WEIGHT TO THE TERM DETERMINATION
OF NEED FOUND BY OKAY SO AND SO
I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY
THERE TO GREATER COURTNEY. ON-
THIS REVISION OF THE DUPLICATED
NEED PROCESS GIVEN THAT THE M.
EMO YOU RECOGNIZES THAT AS WELL
. CAN I SAW IN THE PC. I WOULD
LIKE TO JUST JUMP IN AND SAY ONE
OF THE BIG PARTS OF THAT I
TOTALLY AGREE FOCUS ALREADY
SAID. ONE OF THE OTHER PARTS FOR
US THAT WAS REALLY CRITICAL WAS
ESTABLISHING- I MENTIONED THE Q.
CHALLENGES FOR DEALING WITH. A
LARGER NUMBER OF PROJECTS
COMPETING APPLE PLAN PRINTER
CONNECTION SO THAT THEY CAN
COMPETE IN PROCUREMENT. DOESN'T
IN ITSELF INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF
PROCUREMENT THAT WILL ACTUALLY
HAPPEN. SO WE ARE DEALING WITH
THE CASE WERE VERY OVERHEATED
HYPER LEVEL OF COMPETITION IN
THE RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT
COMMUNITY. AND THE MO YOU HELPED
US ESTABLISH WHAT WHAT WE SEE IS
THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION FOR HOW
TO DEAL WITH THAT CHALLENGE. BY
TIGHTENING THE LINKAGES BETWEEN
THE CPC'S RESOURCE PLANNING
PROCESSES ARE TRANSMISSION
PLANNING AND INTERCONNECTION
WORK. AND THE LOAD SERVING
ENTITIES ACTUAL PROCUREMENT.
THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN
COMMUNICATING WITH OUR
STAKEHOLDERS WE'VE TRIGGERED OUR
MAJOR STAKEHOLDER PROCESS NOW.
TO MAKE. ENHANCEMENTS TO OUR
INTERCONNECTION PROCESS. AND
WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR
STAKEHOLDERS THAT WERE OPEN TO A
WIDE RANGE OF OPTIONS OF HOW
THAT TAKES PLACE. BUT THE
STRATEGIC DIRECTION TO TIGHTEN
THOSE LINKAGES WAS ESTABLISHED
THROUGH THAT M. O. U. SO THAT'S
A VERY IMPORTANT PART TO US. AT
THE OTHER PART OF THE MO YOU
THAT I DON'T THINK WAS MENTIONED
BEFORE WAS AT ALSO- SET A
DIRECTION THAT. A LOT A LOT OF
THE ENERGY COMMISSION'S LONGER
TERM. ANALYSIS OF FUTURE
RESOURCE NEEDS AND SO FORTH-
DOESN'T ALWAYS THERE ISN'T A
DIRECT PATH INTO THE CPC'S
RESOURCE PLANNING PROCESSES. SO
THE MO YOU ALSO SIGNALLED THE
INTENTION TO DRAW TIGHTER
LINKAGES BETWEEN THE ENERGY
COMMISSION'S LONGER TERM
ANALYSIS. AND THAT IS AN INPUT
INTO THE PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSIONS RESOURCE PLANNING
WORK. WHICH WE ALSO SAW IS
REALLY VALUABLE. THANK YOU
PLEASE. YEAH TO ADD ON A BIT TO
WHAT NEIL- AND ALSO WITH REGARD
TO SOME OF THE PROACTIVE
PLANNING THAT WAS MENTIONED
EARLIER. SO THAT RESOURCE
PORTFOLIO THAT WAS SENT TO THE
CASE SO THAT IS NOW RESULTING IN
SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TRANSMISSION
NEEDS AND- SETTING ASIDE ON A ON
A FOOTING TO. BEGIN THAT THAT
BUILD OUT THAT REALLY STARTED
WITH THE KING AND THE ENERGY
COMMISSION'S LOAD FORECAST. AND
SO THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT
STEPS THAT WERE MADE ACTUALLY
AMONGST THE THAT THE THREE-
THREE AGENCIES THE CASE OF THE
PC. THE CDC AND CARB- THROUGH A
COLLABORATIVE PROCESS CALLED THE
JOINT AGENCY STEERING COMMITTEE
IT SAYS STAFF COORDINATION
PROCESS WHERE WE DISCUSS- IN-
INPUTS TO THE ENERGY COMMISSION.
LOAD FORECASTING AND- SOME
SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WERE MADE TO
THE ENERGY COMMISSION SLOWED
FORECAST RECENTLY TO INCORPORATE
MUCH HIGHER LEVELS OF
ELECTRIFICATION. EVEN TO LEVELS.
ASSUMED THAT THAT- REGULATIONS
AT AT CARP WHICH WERE STILL
PENDING- WOULD IN FACT BE
ADOPTED SO IN SOME WAYS IT WAS A
IT WAS A BREAK FROM PRECEDENT.
TO ON A GO AHEAD AND ASSUME THAT
PENDING REGULATIONS WOULD. BE
ADOPTED AND THAT THEREFORE. IN
FOR. WITH WITH REAL ASSOCIATE IT
SHOULD BE- BILL TED TO MEET
THOSE EXPECTED THE MAN'S. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH JIM. SKINNER
QUESTIONS FROM COLLEAGUES I'M
GONNA WRAP THIS UP BY MAYBE
GOING BACK TO THE TOP OF THE
LIST OF PRESENTERS INCLUDING
THOSE WHO ARE REMOTELY. TO MAYBE
JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO. MAKE SOME
CLOSING REMARKS- BASED ON THE
DISCUSSION THAT YOU KNOW YOU'VE
HEARD TODAY AND THAT WE REALLY
JUST APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE
TIME TO BEING WITH US- SO-
PLEASE I WILL START WITH THE
REPRESENT FROM DEPARTMENT OF
ENERGY AND THEN WORK OUR WAY
DOWN THE AGENDA. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH THIS IS A REALLY
INTERESTING HEARING I- I WOULD
LIKE TO FLAG THAT MUCH OF THE
WORK THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT TODAY
IN. OUR THE NEED FOR
COORDINATION IN TRANSMISSION
SITING AND PERMITTING PROCESS-
IS WELL AS THE NEED TO REDUCE
DUPLICATION- IN SHORT THE
APPLICANTS ARE READY FOR TRIAL
PERMITTING PROCESS HE'S WHEN
THEY ENTER THEM. ARE THE KINDS
OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE ARE
WORKING ON A DEPARTMENT OF
ENERGY IS FILE. I'D MENTIONED
EARLIER ON OUR EFFORTS TO
COORDINATE FEDERAL PERMITTING
AMONG THE- FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT
OFTEN OF A ROLE IN TRANSITION
BOB PERMITTING OF TRANSMISSION
PROJECTS PARTICULARLY IN THE
LAST WERE THERE ARE MANY FEDERAL
LANDS RESOURCES- WE ARE
CERTAINLY WORKING ON EFFORTS
LIKE THOSE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT.
UP TO ENHANCE COORDINATION
BETWEEN THOSE ENTITIES REDUCE
DUPLICATION. AND ULTIMATELY I
REDUCE THE TIMELINE THAT IT
TAKES TO- TO CITE THOSE PROJECTS
WITHOUT SHORT CIRCUITING
IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS
OR THE ABILITY OF INDIVIDUAL
FEDERAL DECISIONS OPT OUT
FEDERAL AGENCIES. TO MAKE
FEDERAL- INHERENTLY FEDERAL
DECISIONS- THAT THEY NEED TO
MAKE UNDER AUTHORIZING STATUTES
BE AT. NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL
POLICY ACT THE CLEAN WATER ACT
OR OTHER IMPORTANT STATUTES THOU
I'M DID ONE OF LIKE THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON
AND THAT- YOU KNOW THERE MAY BE
SOME. OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO
SHARE LESSONS LEARNED AND IDEAS
AS WE MOVE FORWARD- BUT I THINK
I WITHOUT I WILL- I WILL
CONCLUDE AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY. AND TOO AGAIN-
OFFER OFFER US A RESOURCE. ARM
IN ALSO JUST THAT ARE OPEN IF
YOU ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT A OF THE
WORK DOING WHETHER IT'S ON SITE
IN PART WHICH IS A FOCUS OF
TODAY. OR THE PLANNING AND
COMMERCIAL FACILITIES. EFFORTS
THAT I MENTIONED THANK YOU AGAIN
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THANK YOU
CAN GO WITH THE NEXT A PRESENTER
CHRISTINA HAYES. GOOD AFTERNOON
I THINK YOU AGAIN OF FOUR ON THE
HEARING FROM THE FEDERAL
PERSPECTIVE TODAY REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT I WANT TO ECHO
WHAT MR DENNIS SAID FROM THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY ABOUT THE-
NEED FOR COORDINATED SITING AND
PERMITTING. I WAS GLAD TO HEAR
THAT THAT WAS SUCH A FOCUS OF
TODAY'S CONVERSATION WHERE THERE
IS A FEDERAL PROCESS IN THE
STATE PROCESS THE BOTH NEED TO
TAKE PLACE. IF THERE'S ANY WAY
TO HAVE THEM OPERATE
CONCURRENTLY SO THAT THERE
AREN'T THESE DRAWN OUT-
SUBSEQUENT- CITING A PERMITTING
PROCESSES THAT CAN. MAKE
PROJECTS TAKE A VERY LONG TIME
AND IN SOME CASES IT CAN- BE
DETRIMENTAL TO CONCLUDING THOSE
PROJECTS- BECAUSE THERE'S NOT
ALWAYS THE- TIME AND THE MONEY
TO WAIT FOR ON THESE EXTENDED
SITING AND PERMITTING PROCESSES
THAT CAN TAKE UPWARDS OF FIFTEEN
YEARS- WHEN. THEY NEED TO TAKE
PLACE ONE AT A TIME- I'VE
APPLIED YOUR WORK IN BEING
PROACTIVE I KNOW THAT-
CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT SYSTEM
OPERATOR HAS DONE A TERRIFIC JOB
LOOKING AT. THE NEEDS WITHIN
CALIFORNIA AS WELL AS NEEDS
WITHIN THE- WESTERN REGION TO
COMPLEMENT THE ENERGY NEEDS WITH
IN CALIFORNIA AND SO THAT INTER
REGIONAL LOOK IS REALLY-
PROACTIVE- ESPECIALLY WHERE- THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HASN'T.
UPDATED ITS OUR TRANSMISSION
PLANNING RULES IN A NUMBER OF
YEARS AND SO THAT PROACTIVE LOOK
THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO TAKE IS
VERY HELPFUL. AND I ALSO
ENCOURAGE YOU I DO LOOK AT THIS
ISSUE WITH SOME URGENCY-
BUILDING OUT THE TRANSMISSION
GRID IS VERY IMPORTANT TO
BRINGING ON NEW RESOURCES IN A
WAY THAT'S COST EFFECTIVE AND
RELIABLE. FOR MEETING I WOULD
SAY FUTURE NEEDS BUT FRANKLY
NEEDS THAT ARE HERE TODAY IN
TERMS OF ELECTRIFIED VEHICLES
ELECTRIFIED BUILDINGS- AND
DEALING WITH THE CHANGING
RESOURCE MIX SO I AM. VERY
GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING
TRANSMISSION TODAY AND ENCOURAGE
YOU TO KEEP DOING SO AND- I
WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MISTER
DENNIS'S COMMENTS ABOUT FEEL
FREE TO REACH OUT. TO US IS A
RESOURCE IF WE CAN EVER BE OF
ASSISTANCE. THANK YOU. SEVEN UP
THANK YOU ARE FOR OFF I'D ALSO
LIKE YOU FOR THE ARE. TO TODAY-
THE REFUSING I JUST LIKE TO PUT
UP. FINER POINT ON WHILE WE'RE
NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN SOME
ASPECTS OF THE PERMITTING
PROCESS ESPECIALLY THE SEQUEL
STAGE. YOU KNOW WE HAVE BEEN
SEEING ENTHUSIASM AROUND.
MODIFYING OUR PROCESSES SO THAT
WE WOULD BE APPROVING PROJECTS
EVEN FURTHER OUT THAN THE TEN
YEAR NEED. AND WE SEE THAT AS A
POOR ALTERNATIVE TO. BEING ABLE
TO COUNT ON FASTER PERMITTING
AND CONSTRUCTION SO THAT THAT
ACTUALLY ISN'T NECESSARY. SO
THAT'S ONE WAY TO ADDRESS AN
OUTCOME. BUT OBVIOUSLY IF WE CAN
MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE LAST
BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION WHERE
WE DON'T NEED TO REACH OUT
BEYOND THE TEN YEARS TO ACTUALLY
APPROVE A TRANSMISSION PROJECT.
WE FEEL THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY A
BETTER OUTCOME OVERALL. I ALSO
JUST WANTED TO MENTION- THAT
WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH MISTER
DENNIS. BOTH WITH HIS GROUP
DEPLOYMENT OFFICES WELLS WITH
THE DOE'S LOAN PROGRAMS OFFICE.
LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO
ACCESS FEDERAL FUNDING WHETHER
WE NEED THE TRANSMISSION IN ANY
EVENT OR NOT. THE GOAL THERE IS
TO KEEP THE- TRANSMISSION COSTS
DOWN MISTER DENNIS MENTIONED
SOME OTHER PROGRAMS FOCUS ON
TRANSMISSION THAT WOULDN'T
OTHERWISE BE DEVELOPED. BUT WE
DO SEE THAT WE NEED TRANSMISSION
BUT IF WE CAN ACCESS FEDERAL
FUNDING. TO BRING THE COST DOWN
TO CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS WERE
EXPLORING THOSE OPTIONS FOR
WHERE THAT FUNDING MIGHT BE
AVAILABLE. SO THAT I JUST WANTED
TO MAKE A HIGHLIGHT AT THAT
POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU IT
WAS REGULAR. YEAH I REALLY
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HERE TODAY AND APPRECIATE THE-
OVERSIGHT IN THE INQUIRY. IN THE
PUC'S. AND THE LAWS AND STATUTES
THAT THAT THAT GUIDE WHAT WE DO-
AS WE TURN TO OUR UPDATE OF THE
GENERAL ORDER ONE THIRTY ONE D.
PROCESS TO STREAMLINE PERMITTING
THEIR- WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA
HEAR FROM PARTIES. IN OUR FORMAL
PROCESS AND FURTHER IDEAS DEUS
WILL COME UP THERE AND I THINK
IT WILL HAVE. MORE THOUGHTS ON.
WHAT WOULD BE. USEFUL DIRECTIONS
BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM
STAKEHOLDERS AND THAT PROCESS. I
DO WANNA AGAIN EMPHASIZED THAT
WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE
TODAY IS THAT THE SMALLEST PART
OF THE PIE- ABOUT 15% OF THE NEW
TRANSMISSION EFFORTS OVER THE
PAST SIX YEARS REQUIRED TO UP
YOU SEE PERMIT. AND MANY OF THE
DELAYS AND CHALLENGES ARE
UNRELATED TO THE PERMIT PROCESS
I FLAG OF A FEW OF THOSE ISSUES
EARLIER IN MY COMMENTS. I WE
HAVEN'T TALKED VERY MUCH ABOUT
THAT TODAY WE HAVE ONGOING
PROCESSES WORKING WITH OTHER
STATE AGENCIES TO BRING
ATTENTION TO THOSE THINGS AND DO
WHAT WE CAN. TO I TO MOVE THOSE
PROJECTS ALONG BUT I DO THINK
THAT ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE PAID
TO THOSE OTHER THINGS AS WELL-
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS NEW
INVESTMENT IN TRANSMISSION AND
THE STREAMLINING PERMITTING
PROCESSES AS NEEDED. TO REACH
OUR CLIMATE GOALS AND WHILE
BEING MINDFUL OF THE COST TO
CALIFORNIA RATEPAYERS THANK YOU
SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
JOHN- I THINK A LOT ABOUT THE
THINGS THAT ARE EX. I SEE- THE
IMPACTS OF CLIMATE AND THE RISKS
TO. OUR SYSTEM IN THE PUBLIC ARE
ACCELERATING I SEE- PROJECTIONS
OF DEMAND ACCELERATING. I SEE
PROJECTIONS OF WHAT
INFRASTRUCTURE IS NEEDED. ALSO
ACCELERATING SUCH THAT WHATEVER
WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. IS NOT
HOW WE SHOULD BE DOING THINGS IN
THE FUTURE. I ALSO SEE A LOT OF
OPPORTUNITY THAT IS ONCE IN A
GENERATION- THE OPENING OF
GENERAL ORDER ONE THIRTY ONE D.
AS A ONCE IN A. GENERATION
OPPORTUNITY TO. ACCELERATE OUR
PROCESS EASE. THE LEVEL OF
COLLABORATION AND THE
WILLINGNESS TO ROLL UP SLEEVES
AND BE CONSTRUCTIVE I THINK IS.
ALSO DIFFERENT AND- I FIND THAT
TO BE VERY ENCOURAGING SO. I
LOOK FORWARD TO- THE NEXT STEPS
ON THIS ESTY GENIE IS CERTAINLY
WILLING TO SUPPORT- WITH
WHATEVER- IDEAS CREATIVITY AND
RESOURCES WE CAN BRING TO THE
TABLE. YES I WOULD JUST LIKE TO
THANK CHAIR GARCIA AND THE
COMMITTEE FOR THE OPPORTUNISTIC
TODAY WE COMMEND YOU ON
RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF
TRANSMISSION THIS HEARING AND
URGE YOU TO CONTINUE YOUR WORK
FORWARD. ON THE REFORMS
NECESSARY TO PROVIDE CLEAN
RELIABLE AND AFFORDABLE
ELECTRICITY TO CALIFORNIANS.
UNSERE TF IS ALSO VERY HAPPY TO
BE A RESOURCE TO YOU ALL AND ANY
OF THE MATTERS DISCUSSED TODAY.
THANK YOU TO WILL TO VIEW- OR
CAN NON- PUBLIC AGENCIES WE
CERTAINLY LOOK TO YOU TO PROVIDE
US SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AND
INPUT. ON TODAY'S HEARING AS
WELL AS THE PROPOSED
ACCELERATION- PLANS THAT ARE IN
FRONT OF US IT THROUGH BUDGET
TRAILER BILLS- THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION IS PUT FORWARD
WE'RE WANTING TO. BE ABLE TO
TAKE A MUCH. MORE AGGRESSIVE
AND- I GUESS COMPREHENSIVE
APPROACH THAN WHAT'S IN FRONT OF
US AS IT RELATES TO ENERGY-
SYKORA ACCELERATION AND SO WE
LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU
AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WHO MAY
BE LISTENING OR WATCHING. OUT
WITHOUT THAT WE WILL CONCLUDE
THIS PART OF THE AGENDA THANK
YOU AGAIN- TO THOSE REMOTELY IN
THOSE YOUR PRESENT WILL OPEN UP
THE PUBLIC COMMENTS NOW- SO
WE'LL HEAR FROM. THOSE WHO ARE.
WITH US TODAY- PLEASE STATE YOUR
NAME. AFFILIATION AND- JUST YOU
KNOW PERSPECTIVE THE FIGHT
YOU'LL LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO A
MINUTE OR SO THE- REALLY
APPRECIATED AFTERNOON MISTER
CHAIR ALEX JACKSON WITH THE
AMERICAN CLEAN POWER
ASSOCIATION. WHERE TRADE GROUP
REPRESENTING RENEWABLE ENERGY
COMPANIES ACROSS MULTIPLE
TECHNOLOGIES BUT WE ARE UNITED
IN UNDERSCORING. THE NEED FOR
MORE TRANSMISSION AND THE NEED
TO STREAMLINE THE CURRENT
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS MR MERCHANT
CI. HERE YOUR DESIRE FOR
SOLUTIONS I THINK WE FULLY
ESTABLISHED THE PROBLEM
STATEMENT IT IS NOW TIME TO
REALLY FOCUS ON HOW CAN WE DO
BETTER- I THINK WE'RE ENCOURAGED
BY. THE APPROVALS THAT WE'VE
SEEN FROM THE CHI SO IN THE MOST
RECENT T. P. P. THEM ENHANCE
CORE NAY AMONG THE AGENCIES. THE
LEGISLATURE TO HELP OR TO PLAY.
IN ON PERMANENT IMPORTS. SOMEONE
HIGHLY THREE YEAR THAT I THE
EMERGED. IT SEEMS FROM PANEL TO
ONE. ELIMINATING OR AT LEAST
REDUCING THE DUPLICATIVE NEEDING
COREY. AS PART OF THE PUC'S
REVIEW- TO ADDRESSING THE NO
PROJECT ALTERNATIVE UNDER
SYKORA. AND THREE JUST BY
PROVIDING THE SAME PATHWAY FOR
TRANSMISSION PROJECTS UNDER
EIGHTY TWO OH FIVE AS CLEAN
ENERGY PROJECTS THANK. THANK YOU
ANYONE ELSE. MISTER CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS JOHN WHITE BROOKLYN PARK
CAMPAIGN FIRST I WANT TO THANK
OF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR AN EXCELLENT HEARING
IS REALLY TIMELY THERE IS A IS A
REALLY URGENT PROBLEM. OF IN
PARTICULAR I THINK THE THING YOU
HAVE TO GET IN MIND IS. IF WE
APPROVED TRANSMISSION PROJECTS
AND BUILD THEM AT THE RATE WE'VE
BEEN BUILDING THEM. THERE'S NO
TRANSITION TO CLEAN ENERGY
WITHOUT TRANSMISSION. AND THE
SCALE OF THE BUILDOUT AS WAS
REFERENCE BY THE WITNESS FROM
SAN DIEGO GAS ELECTRIC IS BEYOND
ANYTHING WE'VE EVER DONE BEFORE
AND OUR PROCESS DOESN'T LEND
ITSELF TO LOOKING AT MULTIPLE
PROJECTS. AT THE SAME TIME RIGHT
NOW WE KNOW SIX OR SEVEN LINES
THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BUILD
AND THAT ARE URGENT. WE DON'T
NEED TO TAKE TWO YEARS STUDYING
WHETHER WE NEED THEM AND NOT
AGAIN. OKAY SO I THINK THE OTHER
THING IS WE NEED TO HAVE A SENSE
OF MANAGING THESE PROJECTS. AS I
SAID IS USUALLY THE CASE BY CASE
BUT RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE A
DASHBOARD FOR YOU CAN GO AND SAY
WHERE ARE WE ON THESE PROJECTS.
WHAT'S THEIR STATUS WHAT'S THE
COMPLETION DATE. WHERE WE ON
INTERCONNECTIONS WHAT'S GOING ON
YOU KNOW WHERE'S THE UTILITY OF
PERFORMANCE AND BUILDING UP THE
PROJECT WHERE THEY LATE WHAT'S
THE ESTIMATE AND SO MANAGE THIS
WHOLE. PORTFOLIO OF TRANSMISSION
AND NOT JUST ONE AT A TIME
EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW AS IF IT'S
GOOD BECAUSE THE OTHER THING
ABOUT COST. IS THAT EVEN THOUGH
THERE IS MULTIPLE BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS THAT'S GOING TO COST US
TO BUILD ALL THIS TRANSMISSION
IT'S GOING TO SAVE US MONEY.
PARTICULARLY IF WE DO IT RIGHT
WITH JOINT PROJECTS WITH THE
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES THE
GENTLEMAN FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT THERE'S FEDERAL
FUNDING THAT WE SHOULD BE
SEEKING TO APPLY. AND THAT ON
ANOTHER OCCASION WE NEED TO HAVE
A CONVERSATION ABOUT PG&E
BECAUSE PG&E IS AT THE MOMENT
BROKEN AND NOT PERFORMING ITS
JOB ON A RANGE OF THESE ISSUES
AND THERE'S- A NEED FOR SOME
OVERSIGHT. JUST ON THAT THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
MELISSA CORTEZ ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA WIND ENERGY
ASSOCIATION WANT TO THANK YOU
FOR THIS VERY THOUGHTFUL HEARING
FOR THE BACKGROUND PAPER THAT
WAS PUT TOGETHER. ON THERE A LOT
OF ISSUES OUTLINED ABOVE BY THE
PANELISTS IN THE BACKGROUND
PAPER. REVISITING ARE REVISING
OUR CURRENT TRANSMISSION
PLANNING PROCESS IS CRITICAL FOR
CALIFORNIA TO MEET CLEAN ENERGY
GOALS THAT WE'VE SET. WE WANT TO
URGE THIS COMMITTEE TO FOCUS ON
THE ADDED ONE TO TWO THREE ONE
TO THREE YEARS. THAT IT TAKES
FOR THE P. YOU SEE TO DETERMINE
WHETHER TRANSMISSION UPGRADES
ALREADY APPROVED BY CHI SO IS
NEEDED. ELIMINATING THIS
DUPLICATION WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY
REDUCE THE TIME LINE TO GET
TRANSMISSION BUILT. IT'S AN
ISSUE YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT
TODAY- WE'VE SPOKEN ACTUALLY AT
LENGTH WITH COMMITTEE STAFF
ABOUT THIS ISSUE. AND WE HOPE TO
SEE TO DRESSED UP THIS
LEGISLATIVE YEAR THANK YOU.
PATRICK WELCH CALIFORNIA
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES ASSOCIATION
WE SUPPORT- CHEATING THE STATE'S
GOALS IN OUR MEMBERS
COMPLIMENTARY LOCAL GOALS AS
WELL AND TRANSMISSION IS
CERTAINLY IMPORTANT THAT. JUST
WANTED TO BRING ONE THING TO
THAT- TO THE CONVERSATION
EMPHASIZE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT
MORE AND THAT'S THE IMPACT
CONSUMERS. WELL CERTAINLY WE
NEED TO- BUILD OUT MORE
TRANSMISSION TO DELIVER MORE
RESOURCES. THE TRANSMISSION
RATES IN CALIFORNIA ARE THE
HIGHEST IN THE NATION IN TWO
THOUSAND ELEVEN WE ACTUALLY-
THAT TRANSMISSION ACCESS RATE
WHICH IS JUST A HIGH VOLTAGE
PARTS A LOT OF WHAT'S BEEN
TALKED ABOUT TODAY'S HIGH
VOLTAGE. BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOW
VOLTAGE A PORTION AS WELL SO
WHEN YOU MAKE CHANGES BY VOTERS
SYSTEM YOU OFTEN HAVE TO MAKE
CORRESPONDING CHANGES TO LOW
VOLTAGE. THE TRANSMISSION ACCESS
CHARGE IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
WAS ON THE GROUND ELEVEN DOLLARS
AND SEVENTY CENTS IN TWO
THOUSAND ELEVEN. IT'S NOW- BY
TWENTY TWENTY TWO SO LAST YEAR
IS THIRTY FOUR DOLLARS AND TEN
CENTS. BY TWENTY THIRTY WE
ESTIMATE THAT AN AVERAGE
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA CUSTOMER
COULD BE PAYING THIRTY SEVEN
DOLLARS A PART OF THE BILL AND
FIFTY FOUR DOLLARS JUST FOR
TRANSMISSION- IN TWENTY FORTY.
IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY WHERE THE
HIGHER USAGE. CUSTOMERS COULD BE
PAYING NINETY DOLLARS A MONTH
JUST FOR TRANSMISSION SERVICES
UP FROM AROUND FORTY FIVE
DOLLARS TODAY. SO IT'S IMPORTANT
IN OUR PERSPECTIVE THAT AS WE
BUILD OUT THIS TRANSMISSION
WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE
HIGH VOLTAGE WE'RE LOOKING AT
THE LOW VOLTAGE WERE LOOKING AT
THE SELF APPROVED PROJECT.
MAKING PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS FOR
WE NEED YOU TO BRING OUT
PROJECTS ALONG FASTER AND SAVE
COST BUT ALSO BEING REALLY
CONSCIOUS AND AWARE OF THIS
CONSUMER IMPACTS BECAUSE- THAT
COST IS GROWING IT WILL CONTINUE
TO GROW AND CUSTOMERS WILL. PAY
FOR THAT THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH MR CHAIRMAN MY NAME IS
DAN JACOBSON WITH ENVIRONMENT
CALIFORNIA I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS
REALLY BRIEF JUST TO SAY. I'M
REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS
COMMITTEE DOING THIS WORK AS
WE'VE SET GOALS OVER THE PAST
NUMBER OF YEARS TO GET 220%
THIRTY THREE PERCENT. NOW 100%
CLEAN ENERGY WE'VE ALSO NEEDED
TO UPGRADE THE TRANSMISSION
PROCESS AND THAT HASN'T HAPPENED
AND WE REALLY CAN'T LET. THE
BUREAUCRACY- SLOWDOWN OR FIGHT
ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND WE HAVE SO
MANY OPPORTUNITIES. TO REALLY
BRING ON NEW CLEAN ENERGY
PROJECTS WHETHER IT'S GEO
THERMAL WHETHER IT'S OFFSHORE
WIND WHETHER IT'S- SOLAR IN THE
CENTRAL VALLEY. BUT TRANSMISSION
IS THE KEY TO DOING ALL OF THOSE
PIECES. IN AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE
SURE THAT AS WE TACKLE THAT WE
CAN REALLY. DO IT AFFORDABLY SO
THAT WE DON'T. HURT THE RATE
PAYER BUT THAT WE CAN DO IT IN A
TIMELY MANNER SO THAT WE DON'T
CONTINUE TO. TO SUFFER THROUGH
THE WORST IMPACTS OF CLIMATE
CHANGE AND THAT WE BUILD MORE
RESILIENT GRID AS WE GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU
SEE NO ONE ELSE IN LINE JUST
WANT TO THANK ALL THE PANELISTS.
THAT WERE WITH US TODAY AND UP.
COLLEAGUES INTENDED. I WILL
ADJOURN THIS MEETING. THANK YOU
.