MATERIALS COMMITTEE TO ORDER
SERGEANTS. PLEASE CALL THE
ABSENT MEMBERS. IN ADDITION TO
BE ABLE TO BEING ABLE TO TESTIFY
FROM INSIDE THE HEARING ROOM,
WITNESSES HAVE THE OPTION OF
TESTIFYING VIA THE PHONE LINE
CALLING NUMBER FOR THIS HEARING
IS 877692. AND THE ACCESS CODE
IS 131544 AGAIN. THAT IS 877.
6928957 AND THE ACCESS CODE IS
13 15 444. YOU CAN ALSO FIND
THIS NUMBER ON THE ASSEMBLY,
ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY AND TOXIC
MATERIALS COMMITTEE WEBSITE AS
WELL AS ON YOUR SCREEN. IF
YOU'RE CALLING IN, PLEASE
ELIMINATE ALL BACKGROUND NOISE.
THIS INCLUDES MEETING YOUR LIFE,
SHE BROADCASTING YOUR SMART
DEVICES TO REDUCE SOUND
DISTORTION. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE
CALL IN TESTIMONY WILL BE
COMBINED FOR BOTH SUPPORT AND
OPPOSITION AND WILL BE TAKEN
AFTER THE PRIMARY. WITNESSES
HAVE TESTIFIED. PRIMARY WITNESS
TESTIMONY IS LIMITED TO FOUR
MINUTES TOTAL EACH SIDE ALSO,
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT IF YOU
ARE PRIMARY WITNESS CALLING IN
YOU WILL REMAIN. LIVE LINE. IT
WILL NEED TO BE MEET YOURSELF
UNTIL YOU ARE CALLED TO SPEAK.
ALL ADDITIONAL WITNESSES WILL BE
LIMITED TO START SITTING THERE
NAME ORGANIZATION AND IF THEY'RE
PRESENT ONE, THEIR POSITION ON
THE BILL ALSO NOTE THAT WE ARE
ACCEPTING A WRITTEN TESTIMONY
THROUGH THE POSITION LETTER
PORTAL ON THE COMMITTEE'S
WEBSITE. THANK YOU BRING WITH US
AS WE IMPLEMENT METHODS CONTINUE
TO SERVE THE PEOPLE CALIFORNIA
AND TODAY WE'LL BE HEARING FOUR
BILLS. THANK YOU AND LET'S
ESTABLISH QUORUM WHILE YOU HAVE
IT. MADAM SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM.
TO ESTABLISH QUORUM, LEE YEAH,
WE HEAR HOOVER HOOVER HERE.
ARAMBULA BAUER-KAHAN. CONNELLY
CONNELLY. HERE MAKIN ER PACHECO
PACHECO HERE. TA HERE IS A VERB
OVER HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM.
QUORUM IS PRESENT. WE'RE GONNA
START WITH FILM NUMBER ONE SP
THREE BY CENTERED, BUILT DODD,
BUT I AM GOING TO HAVE TO RUSH
OVER THE SENATE PRESENTS SOME
BILLS. SO I'M GOING TO ASK OUR
VICE CHAIR HOOVER TO TAKE OVER
UNTIL I RETURN. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, SENATOR DODD. HOW ARE
YOU, SIR? TERRIFIC AHEAD AND
START WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN
AND MEMBERS. I'M PRESENTING SB
THREE PERTAINING TO WATER SHUT
OFF PROTECTION ACT. IN 2018 I
AUTHORED SB 998 THE WATER SHUT
OFF PROTECTION ACT, WHICH
ESTABLISHED PROTOCOLS FOR WATER
AGENCIES TO ASSIST CUSTOMERS WHO
FALL BEHIND ON THEIR WATER
BILLS. SP 998 AFFECTS WATER
AGENCIES WITH 200 OR MORE
CONNECTIONS. AS MANY AS 500,000
HOUSEHOLDS HAVE THEIR WATER SHUT
OFF EVERY YEAR DUE TO THE
INABILITY TO PAY THE WATER BILL
. MOST OF THESE HOUSEHOLDS ARE
LOW INCOME FALLING BELOW 200% OF
THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL. MANY
OF THESE HOUSEHOLDS ARE SERVED
BY SMALLER WATER SYSTEMS. SP
THREE IS ABOUT WATER SHUT OFF
POLICY. POLICIES NOTICE AND
WORKING WITH CUSTOMERS TO
PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE PAYMENT
PLANS. THE OPPOSITION IS
CONCERNED ABOUT THE TECHNICAL
ABILITY OF SMALL WATER AGENCIES
TO IMPLEMENT THE BILL'S
PROVISIONS WAS ADDRESSED IN THE
SENATE BY REQUIRING THE WATER
BOARD TO PROVIDE THAT TRAINING.
I'M ALSO WILLING TO WORK WITH
THE OPPOSITION TO DELAY THE
IMPLEMENTATION DATE TO GIVE
SMALLER SYSTEMS TIME TO DEVELOP
THE NECESSARY EXPERTISE FOR
COMPLIANCE IF THEY THINK THAT
WILL BE HELPFUL. MEMBERS WE ALL
KNOW THAT CALIFORNIA LAW
DECLARES. ACCESS TO SAFE AND
AFFORDABLE DRINKING WATER AS A
HUMAN, RIGHT S B THREE PRESERVES
THAT RIGHT FOR NEARLY 1 MILLION
CALIFORNIA'S AND RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN EYE BOAT. THANK YOU.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE
PRIMARY WITNESS IN PERSON HERE
AND ONE ON THE PHONE. SO IF YOU
WANNA GO, UH, THE IN PERSON
FIRST, LET'S UH, THANKS SO MUCH.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE
VICE CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS MICHAEL CLAIBORNE,
DIRECTING ATTORNEY WITH
LEADERSHIP COUNCIL FOR JUSTICE
AND ACCOUNTABILITY. CALIFORNIA
DECLARED ACCESS TO DRINKING
WATER HUMAN RIGHT IN 2012, BUT
THE REALITY IS THAT ACCESS TO
TAP WATER IS NOT UNIVERSAL. A
CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE IS THAT
MORE THAN 500,000 CALIFORNIANS
LOST ACCESS TO WATER IN 2018 AND
AGAIN IN 2019 DUE TO WATER
SHUTOFFS AFTER FALLING BEHIND ON
WATER BILLS. LIMITING WATER
SHUTOFFS IS A RACIAL JUSTICE.
RACIAL JUSTICE ISSUE BLACK
FAMILIES ARE TWICE AS LIKELY AS
WHITE FAMILIES TO EXPERIENCE A
WATER SHUT OFF. THE BILL WOULD
HELP LIMIT THE USE OF WATER
SHUTOFFS AND COMMUNITIES SERVED
BY SMALL WATER SYSTEMS. WE WORK
CLOSELY WITH MULTIPLE SMALL
WATER SYSTEMS THAT WOULD BE
IMPACTED BY THIS BILL, INCLUDING
TWO LEVEL MUTUAL, NONPROFIT
WATER COMPANY AND OTHERS AND
WITHOUT SHARQ AL MUTUALS
INTEREST IN ENSURING THAT SMALL
WATCH WATER SYSTEMS CAN
SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENT THESE
PROVISIONS. THE GOOD NEWS IS
THAT IT IS CLEAR THAT THE
LEGISLATURE SHARES THE SAME
INTEREST AS ONE EXAMPLE. THE
LEGISLATURE PASSED THE SAFE AND
AFFORDABLE DRINKING WATER FUND
IN 2019. PROVIDING AN ONGOING
$130 MILLION CONTINUOUS
APPROPRIATION WITH FLEXIBILITY
TO PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE
TO SYSTEMS STRUGGLING WITH LACK
OF TECHNICAL AND MANAGERIAL
CAPACITY AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE
AMONG MANY OF THE LEGISLATURE
RECENTLY APPROPRIATED $1 BILLION
FOR WATER SYSTEMS THAT HAD
CUSTOMER DEBT THAT ACCRUED
DURING THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC. WE
WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH CAL
MUTUALS TO ENSURE THAT BUDGETS
CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THIS NEED ON
THE OTHER HAND, THE FRUSTRATING
PROBLEM THAT WE CONTINUE TO SEE
IS THAT MANY SMALL WATER SYSTEMS
AND PARTICULARLY SMALL MUTUALS
AND MOBILE HOME PARKS, DON'T
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RESOURCES
APPROPRIATED BY THE LEGISLATURE
GOING BACK TO THE $1 BILLION IN
COVID 19 ARRERIDJ FUNDING ONLY
ABOUT 12% OF MUTUAL WATER
COMPANIES APPLIED FOR THAT
FUNDING. THE LEGISLATURE CANNON
AND SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT RED
RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE, BUT
MUTUALS AND MOBILE HOME PARKS
NEED TO BE MORE WILLING TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF FUNDING WHEN IT IS
AS ONE FINAL POINT. SMALL WATER
SYSTEMS ARE ALREADY COMPLYING
WITH THE REQUIREMENT TO OFFER
NOTICE AND A PAYMENT PLAN PRIOR
TO WATER SHUT OFF FOR ANY
ARREARAGES THAT ACCRUED DURING
THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC. WE THINK
SENATOR DODD FOR HIS CONTINUED
COMMITMENT TO ACCESS TO DRINKING
WATER AND SMALL AND RURAL
COMMUNITIES, AND WE URGE THE
COMMITTEE'S SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. PHONE MODERATOR, IF
YOU COULD PLACE THE PRIMARY
WITNESS ON THE PHONE, UH FOR SP
THREE. BLIND SHOULD BE OPEN.
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. MY
NAME IS KARINA CERVANTES AND I'M
HERE CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE
CUT, CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
MUTUAL WATER COMPANIES. I AM
SORRY I COULDN'T BE THERE IN
PERSON TODAY. I DO APPRECIATE
VERY MUCH THE TIME. I BELIEVE
THIS IS OUR OPPOSED MANY I
BELIEVE THIS IS THE OPPOSED
WITNESSES THERE ANOTHER SUPPORT
WITNESS ON THE PHONE LINE.
SENORA SANCHEZ. THANK YOU. YOU
MAY PROCEED.
DO WE HAVE THE WITNESS AND
SUPPORT. AIRLINES SHOULD BE
OPEN. WHAT'S YOUR NAME? DO WE
HAVE THE NAME ACCOUNT? RAQUEL
SO, YEAH. AFRICA. CATTLE. RAQUEL
RAQUEL, ARE YOU THERE? I DO NOT
SEE A RAQUEL ON THE PHONE LINES
. OKAY SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. WITH WITH THAT? DO WE HAVE
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE
HEARING ROOM TO TESTIFY AND
SUPPORT? THANK YOU. AFTERNOON AT
LEAST 100 FROM TRENTON PRICE
CONSULTING. WE'RE HERE
REPRESENTING THE CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ALLIANCE,
AS WELL AS WATER FOUNDATION BOTH
IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL. THANKS.
HELLO ERIN WILLEY ON BEHALF OF
SIERRA CLUB, CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT. HELLO MICHAELA ELDER ON
BEHALF OF THE CENTRAL COAST
ENERGY SERVICES IN SAN FRANCISCO
PENINSULA, ENERGY SERVICES AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
UH NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO
THE WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. WE
HAVE SOMEONE ON THE PHONE LINE
FOR SP THREE. YES THANK YOU. LET
ME TRY THIS AGAIN. SO MY NAME IS
KARINA CERVANTES AND I'M CALLING
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF MUTUAL WATER
COMPANY AGAIN. I APOLOGIZE FOR
NOT BEING THERE IN PERSON. TODAY
HOWEVER, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE
THE TIME THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE
TAKEN TO LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS
OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS.
ASSOCIATION PROBABLY WORKS WITH
OVER 315 MUTUAL WATER COMPANIES
, MANY WITH 200 SERVICE
CONNECTIONS OR FEWER WE
UNFORTUNATELY REMAIN OPPOSED TO
THE BILL IN ITS CURRENT FORM
BECAUSE OF TWO PRIMARY CONCERNS.
THE FIRST IS CLEARLY IDENTIFYING
DEDICATED RESOURCES FOR SMALL
SYSTEMS TO IMPLEMENT THESE
PROVISIONS SUCCESSFULLY. AND THE
SECOND IS IDENTIFYING THE SOURCE
OF FUNDING TO MITIGATE THE
FINANCIAL IMPACT RESULTING FROM
THE DATE DELAYED COLLECTION OF
ARREARAGES. ENSURING THE WATER.
AFFORDABILITY FOR ALL DEPENDS
HEAVILY ON THE AVAILABILITY OF
RESOURCES. WHETHER IT'S A SMALL
, MEDIUM OR LARGE WATER SYSTEM,
FUNDING FROM PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
SOURCES IS OFTEN NECESSARY TO
MEET WATER QUALITY STANDARDS.
SUCH EXTERNAL FUNDING SOURCES
ARE VITAL IN SHIELDING AND
STABILIZING WATER COSTS.
RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF
HAVING ACCESS TO RESOURCES. WE
CONTACTED THE AUTHORS OFFICE AT
THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW YEAR.
ONE OF OUR EARLIEST GOALS WAS TO
BRING ATTENTION TO THE
CHALLENGES OF SMALL WATER
SYSTEMS IN THE STATE ENCOUNTER
AND THE NEED FOR A DEEP
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO ADDRESS
THEM. THIS BILL AMENDS THE CODE
SECTIONS ADDED BY SD 998, WHICH
INITIALLY FOCUSED ON LARGER
SYSTEM, IT IS ESSENTIAL TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE COST BURDEN
AND IMPLICATIONS DIFFER FOR
SMALL SYSTEMS THAT CANNOT ABSORB
THE COST OF CONTINUING UNFUNDED
MANDATES AT THE SAME RATE AS
LARGER SYSTEMS. SMALL SYSTEMS
OFTEN HAVE MORE MODEST BUDGETS
AND ARE OFTEN RUN BY CONTRACT
OPERATORS, PART TIME STAFF OR
VOLUNTEERS. IN ORDER TO COMPLY
WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS
BILL. SMALL SYSTEMS MUST RELY ON
MORE THAN JUST THE INFORMATION
GENERATED BY LARGER SYSTEMS.
THEY WON'T NEED STAFFERS
RESOURCES ALSO INVESTMENTS AND
TECHNOLOGICAL TOOLS TO HELP
PREPARED DOCUMENTS. PROVIDE
NOTICE. AND MAKE NECESSARY
CHANGES TO BUILDING SYSTEMS.
THIS INCLUDES MANAGING
CONFIDENTIAL MEDICAL AND INCOME
INFORMATION AS REQUIRED BY THIS
BILL. ADDITIONALLY FINANCIAL
SUPPORT IS NECESSARY FOR SMALL
SYSTEMS THAT WOULD ENCOUNTER
CASH FLOW ISSUES FROM CARRYING
ADDITIONAL DEBT FOR EXTENDED
PERIODS DUE TO THE DELAYED
COLLECTION OF YOUR VILLAGES, AND
I KNOW THAT THE RELIGIOUS
PROGRAM WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE
AUTHOR AND THE CO SPONSORS OF
THIS BILL THERE WAS IN A
RELIGIOUS PROGRAM. THE STATE
WATER BOARD IDENTIFIED THAT MANY
SMALL SYSTEMS ALREADY HAD
EXISTING POLICIES IN PLACE. UM
AND DIDN'T CARRY AS MUCH DEBT
THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO APPLY
FOR SOME OF THAT CAREER. JUST
FUNDING THAT WAS MADE AVAILABLE
DURING THE PANDEMIC. WE STILL
HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED
AMENDMENTS MADE IN MAY. UM TO
OFFER ADDITIONAL STRAIGHT WHITE
TRAINING TO SMALL WATER SYSTEMS
. WE DON'T BELIEVE ADDITIONAL
TRAINING IS THE ISSUE MANY SMALL
WATER SYSTEMS AS I HAD MENTIONED
ALREADY WORKED, WITH FAMILIES
STRUGGLING TO PAY THEIR WATER
UTILITY BILL. WE WOULD JUST
REQUEST THAT THIS LANGUAGE BE
MORE SPECIFIC AND MORE DETAILS
ABOUT THE SUPPORT THAT WOULD BE
PROVIDED. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE
STATE WISHES TO ESTABLISH A
UNIFORM POLICY REGARDING WATER
SHUTOFFS. HOWEVER AN ESSENTIAL
FIRST STEP NEEDED TO BE A PART
OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS
PROPOSAL, EVALUATING EXISTING
POLICIES AND PRACTICES AND
IDENTIFYING GAPS IN SERVICE.
ONCE I STEPPED, ALL APPROACH MAY
BE INEFFECTIVE, SINCE IT CAN
NEGATE WHAT IS WORKING AND
CURRENT PROCESSES WITHOUT
ESTABLISHING JUSTIFICATION OR
EVIDENCE OF A WIDESPREAD ISSUE
REGARDING CUSTOMER DUE PROCESS
ISSUES. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR
COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS
TO THIS BILL THAT WOULD MAKE
TECHNICAL AND FINANCIAL
ASSISTANCE AVAILABLE TO THOSE
SMALL WATER SYSTEMS UNABLE TO
COMPLY WITH THE COMPLEX
PROVISIONS OF SB THREE. AGAIN
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM IS
THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
IN THE ROOM TODAY TO TESTIFY AND
OPPOSITION TO SB THREE? SEEING
NONE. DO WE HAVE ANY SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION REMAINING ON THE
PHONE LINES FOR SP THREE? THANK
YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. OPPOSITION
OF SP 3 MAY PRESS ONE AND THEN
ZERO. AGAIN THAT IS ONE IN THE
ZERO AND SUPPORTER OPPOSITION
AND WE WILL GO TO LINE 24. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY
NAME IS JENNIFER CLARY. I AM THE
COMPANY DIRECTOR FOR CLEAN WATER
ACTION IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE
THREE AND ALSO EXPRESSING
SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF THE
PLANNING AND CONSERVATION LEAGUE
AND THE CARBON CYCLE INSTITUTE.
THANK YOU. NEXT WE'LL GO TO LINE
UP. 22 YEAR LINE IS OPEN. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR VICE CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. THIS IS ROGER DICKINSON
ON BEHALF OF CIVIC WELL AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU AND MY MOMENT WHERE WE
GET ONE MORE AND QUÊ HERE. AGAIN
WE'RE IN SUPPORTER OPPOSITION.
YOU MIGHT PRESS ONE AND THEN
ZERO ON SB THREE. WE'VE GOT TO
FIND 17. HELLO MY NAME IS JOHN
LANGMAN. I'M CALLING FROM SUNDAY
SLOPE WATER COMPANY IN PASADENA
. WE ARE CALLING TO OPPOSE SP
THREE AS CURTAIN CURRENTLY
WRITTEN. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. WE
HAVE NO FURTHER SUPPORT OR
OPPOSITION AND QUÊ. WONDERFUL
THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT, MR. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? YES UH, THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. MR VICE CHAIR. I
WANTED TO JUST KIND OF QUICKLY
RESPOND TO SOME OF THE
CRITICISMS HERE COMPLEX
PROVISIONS OF THIS BILL THIS
BILL WHEN I FIRST RAN THIS BILL
IN 2018 IN THIS VERY ROOM BEFORE
COVID THE OPPOSITION WAS OUT THE
DOOR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE END
OF THE HALL, AND WE WORKED WITH
ALL THESE THANKS TO THE
COMMITTEE STAFF. THAT'S HERE. WE
WORKED. IF YOU WERE HERE AT THE
TIME, WE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD
WITH THE OPPOSITION TO MODIFY
THIS BILL, AND I THINK WE DO
HAVE, UH, A SWEET SPOT HERE. THE
BOTTOM LINE IS THESE WATER
COMPANIES ARE MANAGING BAD DEBTS
, AND WE HEARD ONE OF THE
CALLERS SAY MANY ARE ALREADY
DOING A GREAT JOB, AND WE KNOW
THAT WE DON'T HAVE BILLS. TO TRY
TO CONTROL OR REGULATE. THE ONES
THAT ARE DOING A GOOD JOB WERE
DOING WE. WE RUN LEGISLATION
BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE THAT
DON'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB AND
TURN OFF THE WATER FOR YOUNG
FAMILIES FOR SENIOR CITIZENS,
PEOPLE WITH KIDS, AND SO IT DOES
NEVER. IT NEVER MANDATES THAT
THEY HAVE TO CREDIT IT OFF. AND
JUST WRITE IT OFF. THE PEOPLE
STILL OWE THE MONEY. WE'RE JUST
ASKING FOR SOME BASIC
PROVISIONS. TO GIVE PEOPLE A
PAYMENT PLAN TO GIVE HIM A
CHANCE TO GET CURRENT SO THEY
CAN CONTINUE WITH THEIR WATER. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR I VOTE.
THANK YOU, SENATOR. I APPRECIATE
YOU BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD.
PLEASE KEEP THE COMMITTEE IN THE
LOOP. AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, I
DO SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS
WITH THE OPPOSITION. BUT I WOULD
ALSO NOTE THAT THE CHAIR
RECOMMENDS AN AYE. VOTE ON THIS.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR SP
THREE? MOVED BY MR CONNELLY.
SECONDED BY MR BAUER-KAHAN, UH,
THE MOTION IS DO PASS THE
APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. ON SP THREE DODD
. THE MOTION IS DO PASS AND RE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. LEE. HOOVER
HOOVER. NO, ARAMBULA.
BAUER-KAHAN BAUER-KAHAN. AYE
CONNELLY CONNELLY. I MAKIN ER
MCKENNA I, PACHECO PACHECO, I
TÂM NO THOUGHT NO ZUBER. ZIPPER
I SO THAT'S 52. THAT'S THANK
YOU, SENATOR. VICE CHAIR. THANK
YOU MEMBERS. THANK YOU. SENATOR
NEWMAN. HE IS, YEAH. I WAS JUST
IN YOUR COMMITTEE THE OTHER DAY.
NOW THE TABLES HAVE TURNED
PAYBACK. PAYBACK IS A MOTHER AS
THEY SAY THEY KEEP THAT I HAVE
NO IDEA WHAT I SAID. YEAH UH,
WELL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
SENATOR WHEN YOU'RE READY, YOU
MAY PRESENT SP 5 68. SECOND
THANK YOU. THIS IS THE SECOND.
THIS IS GOING WELL, MR VICE
CHAIR MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY PERCENT SB 5 68,
WHICH WILL REQUIRE THAT PRIOR TO
EXPORTING ANYWAYS, TOO BROAD. AN
INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY IN
CALIFORNIA MUST DEMONSTRATE THAT
THEY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO LOCATE
AND A LICENSE IN ST E WASTE
RECYCLING FACILITY AND THAT THE
WASTE COULD NOT BE MANAGED. BY
AN IN STATE COVERED ELECTRONIC
WASTE RECYCLER GLOBALLY LESS
THAN 20% OF E WASTE IS CURRENTLY
PROPERLY RECYCLED WITH THE
REMAINING 80% ENDING UP EITHER
IN LANDFILLS OR IMPROPERLY
RECYCLED MUCH OF THIS IMPROPERLY
RECYCLED THE WASTE ULTIMATELY
ENDS UP IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES
BEING PROCESSED BY HAND AND
EXPOSING WORKERS THERE TOO
HAZARDOUS OR CARCINOGENIC
SUBSTANCES SUCH AS MERCURY LEAD.
AND CADMIUM. IN ADDITION TO
THESE ADVERSE HEALTH AND CLIMATE
IMPACTS, THE IMPROPER MANAGEMENT
OF THE WASTE ALSO RESULTS IN A
SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF SCARCE AND
VALUABLE RAW MATERIALS SUCH AS
GOLD, PLATINUM, COBALT AND OTHER
RARE EARTH ELEMENTS. EXPERTS
ESTIMATE THAT FULLY AS MUCH AS
7% OF THE WORLD'S GOLD MAY
ACTUALLY CURRENTLY BE CONTAINED
ANYWAYS, WITH UP TO 100 TIMES
MORE GOLD TO BE FOUND IN A TON
OF E WASTE THAN IN A TON OF
MINED GOLD OR THE FEDERAL AND
STATE GOVERNMENTS HAVE
IDENTIFIED THE SECURITY OF
DOMESTIC SUPPLY CHAINS FOR
CRITICAL MATERIALS AND PRECIOUS
METALS AS A HIGH ECONOMIC AND
NATIONAL SECURITY PRIORITY,
INCLUDING THE RECYCLING AND RE
PROCESSING OF PRECIOUS METALS
AND RARE EARTH MINERALS TO
AUGMENT INCREASED DOMESTIC
PRODUCTION. CALIFORNIA'S E WASTE
RECYCLING MARKET, WHICH IS
ALREADY AMONG THE LARGEST IN THE
WORLD, IS PROJECTED TO GROW BY
15% OR MORE BY THE YEAR. 2027.
IF WE CAN EFFECTIVELY ENCOURAGE
AND STREAMLINE THE PROCESSING
AND RECYCLING OF US MATERIALS.
OUR STATE HAS A UNIQUE
OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME A GLOBAL
LEADER IN THE MARKET FOR SAFELY
RECLAIMING THE RARE AND VALUABLE
MINERALS CONTAINED IN E WASTE,
CALIFORNIA'S E WASTE RECYCLES
RECYCLERS ARE CONTINUALLY
EXPLORING NEW AND INNOVATIVE
WAYS TO RESPONSIBLY AND SAFELY
RECYCLE THE WASTE MATERIAL
BEFORE A DECISION MADE TO EXPORT
THOSE MATERIALS ABROAD TO
LOCATIONS WITH WEAKER
ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS. THEY
SHOULD BE AFFORDED ACCESS TO
THESE MATERIALS BY REQUIRING AN
ENTITY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY
HAVE ATTEMPTED TO LOCATE AN IN
STATE E WASTE RECYCLING FACILITY
PRIOR TO EXPORT SP 568 WILL
YIELD IMMENSE LAUNCH TERM
ECONOMIC BENEFITS FOR THE STAY
WHILE ALSO REDUCING THE
LIKELIHOOD THAT POTENTIALLY
TOXIC E WASTE MATERIALS WILL
FIND THEIR WAY TO LOCATIONS
ABROAD WITH MUCH WEAKER
ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS THAN
OURS. I WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE CONSULTANT NAOMI AND
RESPECT FOR WORKING CLOSELY WITH
MY OFFICE. DTSC ON RECENT
AMENDMENTS THAT CLARIFY,
SIMPLIFY AND STRENGTHEN THIS
BILL WITH ME TO TESTIFY ON
BEHALF OF THIS LEGISLATION
TODAY, RENEE SAINT DENIS,
STRATEGIC CONSULTANT WITH CAMP
STONE, RATHER, AND MARK MURRAY,
THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
CALIFORNIANS AGAINST WASTE, I'M
RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR YOUR I
VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU AND THE
PRIMARY WITNESSES MAY BEGIN YOU
FOUR MINUTES. COME ON. THANK
YOU, VICE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS RENEE
SAINT DENIS. I SERVICED THE
STRATEGY ADVISOR TO CAMP STONE,
RATHER, A WORLD LEADING
ELECTRONICS RECYCLER BASED IN
CARLSBAD. I'M HERE TODAY TO
SUPPORT THE MEMBER AS WELL AS TO
SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF SB 5 68 AND
I CAN ONLY ECHO WHAT HE SAID.
THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION WILL
HELP TACKLE THE GROWING PROBLEM
OF ELECTRONIC WASTE WHAT WE CALL
THE WASTE HAVING LED THE GLOBAL
ELECTRONIC RECYCLING OPERATIONS.
FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND HE LOOKED
PACKARD A MINUTE APPLE. I HAVE
SEEN FIRSTHAND SOME OF THE
DISASTERS THAT MISHANDLING THIS
MATERIAL CAN CAUSE. UM YOU KNOW,
HE WAS JUST PART TO BE ONE OF
THE FASTEST GROWING WASTE
STREAMS GLOBALLY IN 2021. IT'S
ESTIMATED THAT 57 MILLION TONS
THAT'S 114. BILLION POUNDS. E
WASTE WAS GENERATED AND NEEDED
TO BE MANAGED. CALIFORNIA SHARE
OF THAT WASTE STREAM IS
SIGNIFICANT WITH ESTIMATES THAT
IS PROBABLY AROUND £1.5 BILLION.
THESE THESE NUMBERS ARE HARD TO
COME BY, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, BUT
LOTS OF WORK HAS BEEN PUT IN BY
LOTS OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS
AND FEDERAL ORGANIZATIONS TO
FIGURE THAT OUT. UM
UNFORTUNATELY, ONLY A SUBSET OF
THE E WASTE THAT WAS GENERATED
IN THE STATE LAST YEAR. WAS
MANAGED AND RECOVERED THROUGH
SAFE RECYCLING METHODS THAT
PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT WHILE
CAPTURING THE COMMODITIES THAT
THESE PRODUCTS WERE INITIALLY
MADE FROM AND THEN RETURN THOSE
TO THE ECONOMY. THAT'S WHERE A
COUPLE THAT CAMP STONE RATHER
COMES IN. UM HAMPTON IS A 10
YEAR OLD CALIFORNIA BASED
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COMPANY
WITH AN INNOVATIVE APPROACH TO
RECYCLING CIRCUIT BOARDS. AND I
CAN GET INTO THE DETAILS YOU
GUYS IF YOU WANT, BUT IT'S NOT
SMELTING SO YOU DON'T USE HEAT.
PRESSURE. OR CHEMICALS TO
RECOVER THOSE THOSE PRECIOUS
METALS. ELECTRONIC RECYCLERS IN
GENERAL GENERATE RECYCLED METALS
SUCH AS STEEL, ALUMINUM. COPPER
CIRCUIT BOARDS AND THEN PLASTICS
AND OTHER TYPES OF MATERIALS.
THE CIRCUIT BOARDS CONTAIN THE
MAJORITY OF THE IMPORTANT MEDALS
THAT ARE FOUND ANYWAYS. GOLD
SILVER, PLATINUM, PALLADIUM,
COPPER AND THEN THE RARE EARTH
METALS WHICH ARE SO IMPORTANT TO
THE U. S ECONOMY CAMPS IN RATHER
RECOVERS THESE IN A WAY THAT
ALLOWS COMPANIES OR USERS. TO
REDUCE THEIR CARBON FOOTPRINT.
BECAUSE WE DO THAT WITHOUT
BURNING THINGS, UM, FOR
MANUFACTURERS ALSO HELPS THEM
SECURE SUPPLY TO PROTECT THEIR
SUPPLY CHAINS. IT'S ESTIMATED AS
THE MEMBER SAID THAT LESS THAN
20% OF E WASTE IS PROPERLY
RECYCLED GLOBALLY, AND THE REST
ENDS UP OFTEN AT LEAST PRIMITIVE
PROCESSES DOMESTICALLY AND
INTERNATIONALLY. THESE PROCESSES
EXPOSED WORKERS AND I'VE SEEN
THIS TOO HAZARDOUS. CARCINOGENIC
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE OTHER
WITNESS HAS TIME TO SAY ALMOST
DONE. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE FINE.
THAT WAS SO, UM BY RECYCLING
THIS STUFF RESPONSIBLY IN THE
STATE, CALIFORNIA, CALIFORNIA
CAN KEEP THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY
SAFE AND BECOME A LEADER IN THE
MARKET FOR SCARCE MINERALS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS MARK MURRAY WITH THE
ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP CALIFORNIA'S
AGAINST WASTE. UH EXCELLENT
ANALYSIS. EXCELLENT TESTIMONY.
UM EXCELLENT STATEMENT BY THE
AUTHOR. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S
MUCH TO ADD OTHER THAN WE ARE
UPDATING AN EXISTING
RESTRICTION. ON THE EXPORT.
WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A
COMPANY LIKE CAMP STONE AND
OTHERS THAT ARE GET ACTUALLY
PREPARED TO DO REAL RECYCLING,
NOT JUST HANDLING FOR RECYCLING
. UM URGENT I VOTE ON THE BILL.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE
ANY MEMBERS OF PUBLIC IN THE
HEARING ROOM TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT? SEEING NONE. DO WE HAVE
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO
TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION? SEEING
NONE. UM LET'S SEE PHONE
MODERATOR. DO WE HAVE ANY
WITNESSES ON THE PHONE LINE IN
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF SB? 5
68. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT
OR OPPOSITION OF SB 5 68. YOU
MAY PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO.
AGAIN THAT IS ONE AND THEN ZERO
IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION. WE'LL
GO TO LINE 28. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN. JORDAN WELLS ON BEHALF OF
THE NATIONAL STEWARDSHIP, ACTION
COUNSEL AND SUPPORT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU NEXT TO GO LINE 23. HI
THIS IS SANTIAGO. JIGGA
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL LONERS
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR. WE HAVE NO FURTHER
SUPPORTER OF POSITIONING QUÊ.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO WE HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? ALRIGHT AH,
YOU MAY CLOSE SENATOR NEWMAN.
THANK THANK YOU MEMBERS. SO
THANK YOU, MR MARIE AND TO MISS
SAINT DENIS AS THEY BOTH
MENTIONED WE HAVE IN CAMPS IN
RATHER THAN SOME OTHER COMPANIES
IN CALIFORNIA, UH, NEW AND
INNOVATIVE APPROACHES THAT
SAFELY AND RESPONSIBLY RECLAIM
SOME OF THESE MATERIALS WITHOUT
POSING A DANGER TO THE
ENVIRONMENT OF THE WORKERS. YOU
DO IT. THIS IS PROGRESS, SO I'M
RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR YOUR I
VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I
DO APPRECIATE THE BILL AND LOOK
FORWARD TO SUPPORTING IT TODAY.
CHARLIE ALSO RECOMMENDS AN AYE
VOTE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND? OH, WE DO. WE ALREADY DO
. I THINK MOTION BY MR CONNOR.
WHO WAS IT? MR COLLINS? YOU GOT
IT. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOTIONS DO
PASS THE NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMITTEE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ITEM TWO SB 5 68 NEWMAN. THE
MOTION IS DO PASS AND RE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
NATURAL RESOURCES, LEE. HOOVER
HOOVER. I ARAMBULA. BAUER-KAHAN
BAUER-KAHAN, AYE. CONNELLY.
CONNOLLY I MAKIN ER MAKIN HER I
PACHECO PACHECO, I TA. BRODY NOT
VOTING SUBURB. SUPER I, WE HAVE
ENOUGH VOTES. THANK YOU MEMBERS.
THANK YOU, SENATOR CORTEZ E. YOU
ARE NEXT.
UH LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO
START WITH SB 6 42, PLEASE
PRESENT ONE READY. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, MR CHAIR MEMBERS. UM
I APPRECIATE YOUR ARMY TO
PRESENT SP 6 42 TO YOU TODAY.
THIS BILL GIVES COUNTY COUNCILS
THE SAME AUTHORITY TO PROSECUTE
HAZARDOUS MATERIALS VIOLATIONS
AS CITY ATTORNEY'S DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS IN THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL AUTHORIZING ADDITIONAL
PUBLIC PROSECUTORS TO PROSECUTE
THESE VIOLATIONS CAN HELP
PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES
PARTICULARLY GO INCOME
COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR IN YOUR HOUSES, WASTE
FACILITIES IN 1993, THE
LEGISLATURE PASSED BILL CALLED A
B 1934 TO AUGMENT CIVIL
ENFORCEMENT OF HAZARDOUS WASTE
VIOLATIONS, AND THAT BILL
AMENDED THE HAZARDOUS WASTE
CONTROL LAW TO AUTHORIZE COUNTY
COUNCILS TO PROSECUTE THESE
VIOLATIONS AND PROMOTE A LEVEL
PLAYING FIELD FOR THE REGULATED
COMMUNITY. HOWEVER THE
LEGISLATURE DID NOT MAKE
CONFORMING CHANGES TO SEVERAL
RELATED STATUTES SUCH AS THE
HAUSERS MATERIALS BUSINESS PLAN
PROGRAM. AND THE MEDICAL WASTE
PROGRAM. THIS INCOMPLETE
AUTHORITY LIMITS COUNTY
COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY
PROSECUTE POLLUTERS. FOR
EXAMPLE. THE ABOVEGROUND
PETROLEUM STORAGE ACT PROGRAM
REQUIRES CERTAIN PETROLEUM
STORAGE FACILITIES TO DEVELOP
AND IMPLEMENT THE SPILL
PREVENTION CONTROL AND
COUNTERMEASURES PLAN. VIOLATION
OF THESE REQUIREMENTS COULD LEAD
TO AN OIL SPILL WHICH CAN CAUSE
RESPIRATORY DAMAGE, LIVER DAMAGE
, CANCER RISK AND REPRODUCTIVE
DAMAGE, AMONG OTHER ISSUES. SB 6
42 HELPS COMMUNITIES PROSECUTE
VIOLATIONS LIKE THESE. HELPING
TO MORE COMPLETELY ENFORCED
CALIFORNIA'S HOUSES, WASTE LAWS.
IT DOES GIVE CERTIFIED UNIFIED
PROGRAM AGENCIES, OTHERWISE
KNOWN AS COOPER'S THE CHANCE TO
REFER THESE CASES TO A WIDER
RANGE OF PROSECUTORS. THAT'S WHY
THE KOOPA SUPPORT THE BILL. THE
BILL ALSO HAS THE SUPPORT OF
ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT
CAN SPEAK TO THE CONSEQUENCES OF
UNDER ENFORCEMENT OF HOUSING
LIST MATERIALS WAS. THE BILL WAS
RECENTLY AMENDED TO REQUIRE
NOTICE TO BE PROVIDED TO THE D A
OR COUNTY COUNCIL WHEN THEIR
COUNTERPART FILES AN ACTION
FOLLOWING A REFERRAL FROM
COOPER. THIS WAS DONE IN
RESPONSE TO CONCERNS RAISED BY
THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. I WOULD
ALSO NOTE THAT THE BILL IS
SUPPORTED BY LOS ANGELES
DISTRICT ATTORNEY GEORGE GASCON
WAS PART OF THE PROGRESSIVE
PROSECUTORS ALLIANCE. WITH US
TODAY TO TESTIFY. WE HAVE SONIA
WILLS WITH THE COUNTY CENTER
CLEAR AND JOHN KENNEDY WITH THE
RURAL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES OF
CALIFORNIA. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME. THANK YOU.
PRIMARY WITNESSES, YOU CAN
BEGIN. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND
THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE AND
TWO STAFF YOUR WORK ON THIS
BILL. SANTA CLARA COUNTY'S
PLEASED TO COSPONSOR SP 6 42 AND
GRATEFUL TO SENATOR CORTESI AND
HIS STAFF ARE BRINGING IT
FORWARD. THE LEGISLATURE HAS
VESTED CIVIL PROSECUTORIAL
AUTHORITY AND COUNTY COUNCILS IN
NUMEROUS STATUTES, INCLUDING THE
UNFAIR COMPETITION LAW, THE
FALSE ADVERTISING LAW AND
NARCOTICS ABATEMENT ACT
UNLICENSED CANNABIS PROVISIONS
IN THE PUBLIC NUISANCE ACT. THIS
BILL IS A CLEANUP MEASURE IN
MULTIPLE SENSES. AS NOTED IN THE
ANALYSIS, THE LEGISLATURE SOUGHT
TO GIVE COUNTY COUNCILS
HAZARDOUS WASTE ENFORCEMENT
AUTHORITY IN 1993. TO PROMOTE A
MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR THE
REGULATED COMMUNITY. THAT BILL
SIMPLY PUTS COUNTY COUNCILS ON
THE SAME BASIC FOOTING AS THEIR
482 CITY ATTORNEY COUNTERPARTS.
THIS WILL HELP FILL ANY GAPS AND
ENFORCEMENT. THERE HAVE BEEN
SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE OF
OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND A
CONTINGENCY FEE BASIS. WHILE
SUCH PRACTICES ARE RELATIVELY
RARE AND BEYOND THE SCOPE OF
THIS BILL, USING OUTSIDE COUNSEL
CAN BE HELPFUL WHEN A
JURISDICTION LACKS RESOURCES OR
IS UP AGAINST POWERFUL INTERESTS
, UM, SUCH AS WHEN SANTA CLARA
COUNTY COUNCIL SPEARHEADED
LANDMARK LITIGATION AGAINST LEAD
PAINT MANUFACTURERS, COURTS HAVE
UPHELD THIS PRACTICE, INCLUDING
BY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS. SUBJECT
TO APPROPRIATE OVERSIGHT BY THE
PUBLICLY ACCOUNTABLE PROSECUTOR
AND OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS WOULD NOT
BE IN A POSITION TO DROP THEIR
OWN BUSINESS AS THE PUBLIC
PROSECUTOR CANNOT INITIATE A
CASE CASES CAN ONLY BE BROUGHT
ONE THE DEPARTMENT OF TOXIC
SENTENCES CONTROL OR THE KOOPA
COMPLETE SER INVESTIGATION MAKES
HER REFERRAL TO THE PUBLIC
PROSECUTOR BEST SUITED TO HANDLE
THE CASE. BUT THESE ISSUES ARE
FAR FIELD OF THIS BILL. WHICH
SIMPLY GIVES COUNTIES ANOTHER
TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. I URGE YOUR
I VOTE AND I'M AVAILABLE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON. JOHN KENNEDY
WITH RC RC. WE REPRESENT 40 OF
CALIFORNIA'S 58 COUNTIES RANGING
IN POPULATION FROM 1100 ALPINE
TO ABOUT 500,000 RESIDENTS WERE
PLEASED TO BE HERE TODAY TO CO
SPONSOR THE BILL ALONG WITH OUR
COLLEAGUES, AND WE SUPPORT THE
MILK THE BILL BECAUSE IT
PROVIDES ANOTHER TOOL IN THE
TOOLBOX FOR LOCALS TO ADDRESS
SAFETY RELATED VIOLATIONS OF S
T. UNDERGROUND STORAGE, TANK
CASUALTIES, MATERIALS, BUSINESS
PLAN AND MEDICAL WASTE
MANAGEMENT LAWS. VIOLATIONS OF
THESE LAWS COULD POSE SERIOUS
HEALTH SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL
RISKS, ESPECIALLY FOR FIRST
RESPONDERS WHO HAVE TO KNOW
EXACTLY THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE
AT GIVEN FACILITY SO THEY CAN
RESPOND EFFECTIVELY AND SAFELY
IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY.
WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO ADDRESS ANY
PAST PROBLEMS. BUT MERELY TO
PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY.
GOING FORWARD. THIS FLEXIBILITY
IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT FOR SOME
OF OUR SMALLER RURAL COUNTIES,
INCLUDING THE 19 COUNTIES, WITH
FEWER THAN 70,000 RESIDENTS EACH
IF THE ISSUE AT HAND DOESN'T
RISE TO THE LEVEL OF THE AG,
BRINGING A CASE AND THE D A
DOESN'T HAVE CAPACITY TO BRING
THE CASE. THIS BILL WOULD ALLOW
US TO STEP IN AS COUNTY COUNCILS
AND BRING AN ACTION. THIS IS
IMPORTANT IN RURAL AREAS WHERE
THE D A MAY OTHERWISE BE
OCCUPIED WITH ENVIRONMENTAL
CASES, ILLEGAL CANNABIS GROWS OR
EVEN OTHER CRIMINAL CASES LIKE
MURDER OR OTHER CRIMES. SO WE
APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR BRINGING
THIS BILL FORWARD. WE STRONGLY
URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE BILL
THAT IMPROVES LOCAL FLEXIBILITY
AND ADDS A TOOL ONE THAT WE HOPE
WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO USE. UM
BUT THAT COULD BE ESPECIALLY
HELPFUL WHEN THE NEED ARISES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE
ROOM IN SUPPORT? MR CHAIR
MEMBERS STAND FALLS OUT ON
BEHALF OF LOS ANGELES COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND
SUPPORT GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS, KAREN LAYING ON THE
SOLANO COUNTY BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS AND SUPPORT EIGHT, A
WELDER ON BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA
STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES
PROUD CO SPONSOR OF THIS BILL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, ELIZABETH
ESPINOSA ON BEHALF OF THE URBAN
COUNTIES OF CALIFORNIA. WE ARE
AN ASSOCIATION OF 14 COUNTY
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE
MOST THE HIGHEST POPULATION IN
THE STATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
SEE, NO ONE ELSE IS THERE
OPPOSITION IN THE ROOM TO
TESTIFY? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR
AND MEMBERS KIM STONE OF STONE
ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. WE DO, UM, AGREE
THAT ROBUST ENFORCEMENT OF
ENVIRONMENTAL CRIMES IS
IMPORTANT AND WE DO APPRECIATE
THE RECENT AMENDMENTS TO
ENCOURAGE COOPERATION AND
NOTICED BY BOTH PARTIES. WE ALSO
APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS
WE'VE HAD WITH THE SPONSORS AND
WITH THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE, UM THE
D A S DID PROFFER SOME
AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD GET US TO
NEUTRAL. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN
ACCEPTED, SO WE MUST REMAIN IN
RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ANY OTHER
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO TESTIFY
IN OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE.
PHONE MODERATOR. DO WE HAVE ANY
WITNESSES ON THE PHONE LINE AND
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF SB? 6
42. THANK YOU. FAIR SUPPORTER
OPPOSITION OF SP 6 42. YOU MIGHT
PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO. WE WILL
GO TO LINE 23. AND THIS IS
SANTIAGO RODICA WITH CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. MR CHAIR. WE HAVE NO
FURTHER SUPPORTER. OPPOSITION
AND QUÊ WONDERFUL. DO WE HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? ALRIGHT GOT A
MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, SENATOR
, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? SORRY
YES. UM IF I MISSED THE QUESTION
PART. I'M SORRY. OKAY MOVING
FAST, SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN
YOUR COUNTY OFFICE OR THE D A S
BRING THESE ACTIONS AND FINES
ARE PAID THAT THOSE FINES GO
BACK INTO ENFORCEMENT. IS THAT
RIGHT? SO EACH ONE OF THE
DIFFERENT LAWS THAT ARE BEING
AMENDED HAVE A SPECIFIC UM, UH,
PROVISIONS THAT ACCOUNTS FOR HOW
THE FINES GET RE ALLOCATED AND
THE HAZARDS FACE CONTROL LAW.
THERE IS A 10% FINDER'S FEE THAT
GOES TO A COMPLAINANT THAT MAKES
A COMPLAINT THAT ENDS UP IN A
CIVIL LITIGATION. THERE'S ALSO
THE REMAINDER 50% OF IT GOES TO
THE HAZARDOUS WASTE CONTROL
ACCOUNT AND THE OTHER 50% IS
DIVIDED IN HALF BETWEEN THE
PROSECUTOR AS WELL AS THE LOCAL
INVESTIGATOR. THAT WOULD BE THE
COOPER OR ANY OTHER, UM, LAW
ENFORCEMENT THAT ASSISTED YES.
SO I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
DÍAS HAD BROUGHT TO LIGHT WAS
THAT SMALLER COUNTIES, PERHAPS,
BUT SOME COUNTIES MAY HAVE
OUTSIDE COUNSEL DOING THIS WORK
ON YOUR BEHALF, WHICH STANDARD
AND SMALL COUNTIES IN SMALL
CITIES, BUT THAT THOSE ATTORNEYS
MAY AT TIMES BE ON CONTINGENCY
FEES, WHICH WE KNOW CAN BE
EXTREMELY HIGH. AND UH, I GUESS
THE CONCERN THAT I HAD WITH THAT
WAS, YOU KNOW OF CURRENTLY OUR
LAWS ARE SET UP TO REALLOCATE
THOSE TWO AND FORCE MINT, RIGHT
? BE IT THE AGENCY AND THEN, UM
THE AGENCY OR THE PROSECUTOR'S.
HAVING THAT GO BACK TO PRIVATE
ATTORNEYS DIDN'T FEEL LIKE QUITE
WHAT THE LAWS HAD INTENDED. AND
THIS OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR THAT, AND I JUST WANTED YOU
TO ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE THAT
DOES SEEM SOMEWHAT CONCERNING TO
ME. I MEAN, I CAN ADDRESS AS THE
AUTHOR. I MEAN FIRST, OF COURSE.
RESPECTFULLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO
HAVE ANY FEES. UM IN UNLESS WE
GO AFTER THESE CASES, AND WHEN
NUMBER ONE I KNOW THERE'S
ACTUALLY MEMBERS HERE HAVE HAD
DIRECT EXPERIENCE OVER THE YEARS
WITH SANTA CORK COUNTY'S OFFICE
OF COUNTY COUNCIL, WHICH THE
YEAR BEFORE I JOINED THE SENATE
WAS NAMED THE NUMBER ONE PUBLIC
LAW OFFICE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY
AND TO HAVE THEM IN EFFECT
SITTING ON THEIR HANDS WHEN THEY
COULD BE WORKING ON THESE CASES.
UM, I THINK WOULD BE, UM NOT
GOOD, WHICH IS NOT GOOD, AND THE
FACT THAT MATTER IS THE BULK OF
THESE KINDS OF CASES ARE GOING
TO BE HANDLED WHERE THERE'S
LARGE, YOU KNOW, HAZARDOUS WASTE
SITUATIONS IN BIG URBAN COUNTIES
WHERE THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO
DO A LOT OF IN HOUSE WORK LIKE
SANTA CAR COUNTY DOES WHERE THEY
HAVE THEIR OWN, IN EFFECT THEIR
OWN STRIKE TEAM IN THE LEGAL
OFFICE. UM THEIR THEIR OWN
IMPACT LITIGATION OFFICE, SO
SURE, I THINK, IN OTHER CASES
WHERE A RURAL COUNTY OR SOMEBODY
THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY
, DECIDES TO TEAM UP WITH
OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND A CONTINGENT
FEE CASE. I MEAN, AT LEAST
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE RACKING UP
HOURLY RATES, YOU KNOW, ON
BEHALF OF THE TAXPAYERS ARE
GONNA ESSENTIALLY SAY IF WE CAN
GO GET THOSE PENALTIES AND GET
GET THAT UM THAT JUDGMENT THEN,
OF COURSE, EVERYBODY DESERVES TO
BE PAID. I THINK THAT'S FAIR IN
THESE CASES. DID YOU WANNA SURE
I'LL JUST SAY WE DO HAVE SEVERAL
SMALL COUNTIES THAT DO NOT HAVE
IN HOUSE COUNSEL THEY RETAINED
OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR THEIR NORMAL
DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS. I'M NOT
AWARE THAT ANY OF THEM ARE
OPERATING UNDER CONTINGENCY FEE
AGREEMENTS OR WOULD DO SO IN THE
FUTURE. I SUSPECT THEY ALL
OPERATE UNDER CONTRACT AND WOULD
BE PERFORMING THE NEW NORMAL
DUTIES AS OUTSIDE COUNTY COUNCIL
, RATHER THAN TRYING TO GET A
SPECIFIC CONTINGENCY FEEL LIKE
WE'D SEE WITH SOME OF THESE
OTHER CASES. GOT IT. I
APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, I I'M
HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY
BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IN ROBUST
ENFORCEMENT. UM AND I ALSO
APPRECIATE THAT COORDINATION
PIECE BECAUSE I THINK IT WORKS
BETTER FOR EVERYBODY WHEN THIS
IS ALL COORDINATED, UM, BUT I
THINK I DO THINK IT'S CRITICAL
THAT AS WE THINK ABOUT THESE
FINES AND FEES, I THINK THE
VISION OF THE LEGISLATURE AS
DEFINED IN STATUTE WAS FOR THEM
TO RETURN TO THE ENFORCEMENT
ENTITIES AND NOT TO BE IN THE
HANDS OF PRIVATE ATTORNEYS. ALL
I WANT IS THAT DOES DESERVE TO
GET PAID. CONTINGENCY FEE
AGREEMENTS CAN BE EXTREMELY
HIGH. AND SOME OF THESE CASES AS
WE ALL KNOW, CAN UM THERE CAN BE
HEFTY FINES AS IS APPROPRIATE
FOR A LARGE CASE, BUT IT COULD
LEAD TO A HUGE WINDFALL FOR
PRIVATE ATTORNEYS. AND I DON'T
THINK THAT'S THE GOAL OF THE
LEGISLATURE. SO JUST WANTED TO
FLAG THAT AND HOPEFULLY, I KNOW
THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE WHERE
THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT. BUT I
THINK IT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO
THINK ABOUT. THANK YOU, MR
ZBERG. SO SENATOR THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THE BILL. I THINK IT'S
A GOOD ONE. AND, UH, PART OF MY
ENDED UP HAVING A NUMBER OF
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS,
INCLUDING ON SOME OF THE ISSUES
THAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST RAISED.
UM ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I CAME
TO SUPPORT THE BILLS WAS BECAUSE
OF THE RURAL COUNTIES AND THE
FACT THAT I BECAME CONVINCED
THAT ACTUALLY IT'S SORT OF
NEEDED AND SOME OF THE RURAL
COUNTIES WHERE D A S MAY NOT BE
FOCUSING ENOUGH. AND OBVIOUSLY
GIVEN SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS
ENVIRONMENTAL ENFORCEMENT OF
ENVIRONMENTAL MATTERS. I THOUGHT
IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT
THIS EXTEND TO THE RURAL COUNTY,
SO WITH THAT I WOULD BE
SUPPORTING OBVIOUSLY. THANK YOU
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
ALL RIGHT, SENATOR, YOU MAY
CLOSE. AGAIN THANK YOU VERY MUCH
VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE
CONVERSATION, AND I THINK AS WE
GO FORWARD, UM PARTICULARLY IF
THE BILLS ENACTED. UM WE WILL
ALL WANT TO BE MONITORING ACTUAL
OUTCOMES HERE, BUT CERTAINLY
THERE'S NO THERE'S NEVER BEEN
ANY INTENTION TO SET UP A
COMPETITION WITH THE A'S. WE'VE
TAKEN THE AMENDMENTS WHERE WE
COULD TO PROVIDE THEM NOTICING
THINGS THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR,
UM NO, WE THINK THE BILL IS IN
GOOD SHAPE. NOW, UM AND AGAIN,
WE'LL SEE HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS
AS WE GET OUT THERE AND ROAD
TESTED IN THE REAL WORLD, BUT
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WITH
THAT, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU. I
WILL BE SUPPORTING THE BILL
TODAY. IT ALSO CARRIES A
RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHAIR.
WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND
MOTION IS DUE PASS TO JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ITEM THREE SB 6 42 CORTESI. THE
MOTION IS DO PASS AND RE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
JUDICIARY. LEE HOOVER HOOVER. I
ARAMBULA ARAMBULA. AYE,
BAUER-KAHAN. BAUER-KAHAN AYE,
CONNELLY. CONNELLY. I MAKIN ER
MCKENNA. I, PACHECO TA. VOTING
NOT VOTING, CYBER CYBER AYE.
YOUR BILL HAS ENOUGH VOTES. IT'S
OUT. WONDERFUL ALRIGHT, WE WILL
NOW MOVE TO SB 7 45, AND
WHENEVER YOUR FOLKS ARE SETTLED,
WE CAN GET YOUR WELCOME TO
PRESENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
AGAIN, MR CHAIR MEMBERS, UM WE
VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE WORK,
UM, THAT THE CHAIR AND COMMITTEE
STAFF HAVE DONE WORKING WITH US
ON SPECIFIC LANGUAGE HERE ON THE
BILL. UM. THE BILL HAS BEEN
DUBBED THE DROUGHT RESISTANT
BUILDINGS ACT. I THINK IT'S AN
APT TITLE TO ADDRESS PROJECTED
WATER SHORTAGES IN CALIFORNIA
DUE TO GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE. SB
7 45 DIRECTION, CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT H. C D AND
THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING
STANDARDS COMMISSION. RESEARCH
DEVELOP, ADOPT, APPROVED, CODIFY
AND PUBLISH BUILDING STANDARDS
TO REDUCE POTABLE WATER. USE
PORTABLE WATER USE IN NEW
NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. THE
BILL ALSO REQUIRES BOTH H C D
AND THE BUILDING STANDARDS
COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND UPDATE
THE WATER EFFICIENCY AND WATER
REUSE STANDARDS IN THE
CALIFORNIA BUILDING STANDARDS
CODE EVERY THREE YEARS. HOTTER
AND DRIER WEATHER. CONDITIONS
FROM CLIMATE CHANGE ARE
PROJECTED TO REDUCE CALIFORNIA'S
WATER SUPPLIES BY UP TO 10% BY
2040. SCIENTISTS PROJECT, THE
AVERAGE WATER SUPPLY FROM
SNOWPACK WILL DECLINE DECLINED
TWO THIRDS OF HISTORIC LEVELS.
AT LEAST AT CURRENT RATES BY
2050 BECAUSE BUILDING STATE IN
USE FOR 30 TO 100 YEARS BEFORE
THE REPLACED. IT'S IMPORTANT
HERE IN THIS STATE THAT WE
PREPARE FOR THE REALITIES OF
CLIMATE CHANGE BY REDUCING THE
DESIGNED POTABLE WATER, DEMAND
OF NEW BUILDINGS AND THAT WE
START NOW TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT
AND ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE MR SCOTT WITCH AND MR
THOMAS INSEL. OH, FROM THE
CALIFORNIA STATE PIPE TRADES
COUNCIL. AND WITH THAT AGAIN AT
THE APPROPRIATE TIME, I WOULD
ASK FOR YOUR EYE BOAT. MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS SCOTT WITCH ON
BEHALF OF THE COLORFUL STEP PIPE
TRADES COUNCIL AND THE
INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL
OFFICIALS WHO PUBLISHED THE
CALIFORNIA PLUMBING CODE AND
SAID ALL PLUMBING STANDARDS FOR
CALIFORNIA THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE
BILL. IT JUST DIRECTS THE
BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION.
TO UPDATE BUILDING STANDARDS TO
REDUCE POTABLE WATER USE AND
MAXIMIZE WATER EFFICIENCY AND
WATER REUSE IN NEW BUILDINGS.
GIVEN THE FIGURES ABOUT THE
REDUCED WATER SUPPLIES THAT THE
SENATOR JUST OUTLINED. WE NEED
AN ALL HANDS ON DECK APPROACH TO
THIS TO THIS PROBLEM. I'D LIKE
TO ADDRESS THE OPPOSITION AND
OPPOSITION LETTER SUBMITTED BY
THE ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA
WATER AGENCIES INACCURATELY
CLAIMS THAT SB 7 45 IS
INCONSISTENT WITH A B 16 68
FRIEDMAN AND SP SIX OR SIX
HERZBERG, WHICH PASSED THIS
COMMITTEE, WHICH REQUIRE WATER
AGENCIES TO SET URBAN WATER USE
OBJECTIVES. THE GOALS OF THE
LETTER ALSO CLAIMED THAT SB 7 45
WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEIR
ABILITY TO MEET CONSERVATION
GOALS. DUE TO QUOTE
UNPREDICTABILITY AND FUTURE
WATER SUPPLIES RESULTING FROM ON
SITE NON PORTABLE WATER USE. HOW
ABSURD IS THAT? IF YOU AND
BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION
MOVED TO MAKE BUILDINGS MORE
WATER EFFICIENT, IT'S GOING TO
MAKE WATER COMPANIES JOBS MORE
DIFFICULT TO CONSERVE WATER.
OKAY THEIR OVERALL GOAL AND
SCOPE OF SB 606 AND A B 16 16 68
WAS TO ADDRESS ACTUAL WATER USE
FROM EXISTING BUILDINGS,
LANDSCAPING AND OTHER URBAN
DEMANDS. THIS SCOPE IS FUN
FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERS FROM THE
OBJECTIVES OF SENATOR CORTEZ'S
SP 77 45, WHICH FOCUSES ON
IMPROVING THE DESIGNED WATER
EFFICIENCY OF NEW BUILDINGS
GOING FORWARD, NOT ON WATER
USAGE BY OCCUPANTS AFTER A
BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED. IF
WE'RE EVER GOING TO GET TO A
POINT IN THIS STATE WHERE WE'RE
EFFECTIVELY REUSING WATER, BOTH
WATER FROM INTERNAL BUILDINGS AS
WELL AS RECLAIMED WATER FROM
OUTSIDE OF BUILDINGS, WE HAVE TO
START DESIGNING OUR BUILDINGS
NOW SO THAT THE BUILDING STOCK
10 AND 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD
CAN ACCEPT AND USE THAT WATER.
THAT'S WHAT THE BILLS INTENDED
TO DO. WE WOULD URGE AND I VOTE.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, TOM
IN SLOW ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE PIPE TRADES
COUNCIL. UM SO COUPLE OF POINT
I'D LIKE TO MAKE YOU KNOW ONE.
WE USE A LOT OF NOT PART OF THE
WATER FOR NON PORTABLE USES IN
BUILDINGS THAT IS NOT NECESSARY
TO USE PORTABLE WATER STUDIES
HAVE SHOWN THAT INDOOR PORTABLE
WATER USE CAN BE REDUCED BY 15
TO 38. THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION OF
AN SITE GRAY WATER RECYCLING OR
THROUGH THE USE OF RECYCLED
WATER FOR THOSE NON PORTABLE
USES. AND CLARIFICATION I'D LIKE
TO MAKE ON THIS BILL IS THAT SB?
7 45 DOES NOT IN ITSELF IMPOSE
MANDATES AND THE INSTALLATION OF
ANY PARTICULAR TYPE OF WATER
WHERE YOU SYSTEM BUT RATHER GIVE
BROAD DISCRETION TO THE ADAPTING
AGENCIES TO DETERMINE THROUGH
THEIR NORMAL CODE ADOPTION
PROCESS, WHICH TYPE OF WATER
REUSE SYSTEMS THAT MAKES SENSE
TO REQUIRE AND WHAT
CIRCUMSTANCES WHAT TYPES OF
OCCUPANCIES OF WHAT SORT OF
EXCEPTIONS YOU SHOULD HAVE. AND
YOU KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT YOU
KNOW, FOR US TO GO THROUGH THAT
NORMAL REGULATORY PROCESS
BECAUSE THE CALIFORNIA STANDARDS
BUILDING LAW REQUIRES BUILDING
STANDARDS TO BE ADOPTED THROUGH
A STAKEHOLDER PROCESS THAT
PROVIDES FOR INDUSTRY INPUT
STATE AGENCY INPUT, INCLUDING
EXPRESSLY CONSULTATION WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES,
MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT AND
REVIEW BY EXPERT INDUSTRY CODE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AND
IN ADDITION, THE BUILDING
STANDARDS CODE DEVELOPMENT
PROCESS REQUIRES CONSIDERATION
OF THE COST AND ECONOMIC IMPACTS
OF PROPOSED CODE CHANGES. SO ALL
THESE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE RAISE
THIS IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED TO
THE REGULATORY PROCESS. NOW WE
HEAR THE CONCERNS RAISED BY THE
WATER UTILITIES. BUT THESE ARE
EXACTLY THE TYPE OF CONCERNS
THAT THE REGULATORY PROCESS IT'S
A TECHNICAL CONCERN. THIS IS
WHAT THE REGULATORY PROCESS
DESIGNED TO DO. WE'RE NOT ASKING
YOU TO MAKE THOSE
DETERMINATIONS. WE WANT THIS TO
GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS.
UM FINALLY, UH, THIS SB 7 45
DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THE STATE
WATER RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD.
CURRENT UPDATE TO WATER
TREATMENT STANDARDS FOR SP 966
THAT ESPIONAGE 66 UPDATE IS JUST
AN UPDATE TO EXISTING WATER.
WERE YOU STANDARDS? THESE
SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
? HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN THE
BUILDING STANDARDS CODE IN
CALIFORNIA FOR OVER A DECADE,
AND THE COLD CURRENTLY SAYS, IF
YOU DON'T HAVE LOCAL WATER
TREATMENT STANDARDS YOU TREAT TO
NSF 3 50, WHICH IS A NATIONAL
STANDARD FOR TREATMENT. WE'RE
NOW GOING TO HAVE SOME STATE
STANDARDS THAT WILL REPLACE THAT
ONCE THOSE GET ADOPTED THAT'S
SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN BY THE END OF
THIS YEAR WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN
BY DECEMBER. IT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
I CAN ASK YOU TO WRAP UP. YOUR
COMMENTS ARE ALMOST ABOUT YOUR
LITTLE OVERTIME. OKAY NO, NO
PROBLEM. JUST JUST JUST ONE LAST
THING IS THAT THE STANDARDS OF
THE ADAPTED TO THIS PROCESS? THE
EARLIER THEY'D GO INTO EFFECT
WOULD BE 2026 BECAUSE IT HAS TO
GO THROUGH THE NORMAL ADAPTIVE
PROCESS. IF WE DON'T PASS THIS
BILL THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO
MISS THE WINDOW AND WILL BE 2029
BEFORE WE CAN ADOPT STANDARDS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
NO. NOW, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC IN THE HEARING
ROOM? HIS SPINE SUPPORT. PLEASE
COME FORWARD TO YOUR MIKE NAME,
ORGANIZATION AND POSITION ON THE
BILL. DENIS O'CONNOR WITH THE
MONO LAKE COMMITTEE AND SUPPORT
AND AS A PERSON WHOSE STAFF
SENATOR HERZBERG ON SP 606. I
AGREE ENTIRELY WITH WHAT MR
WHICH HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE BILL.
THANK YOU. AARON WILLIAM BEHALF
OF SIERRA CLUB, CALIFORNIA AND
SUPPORT. HELLO MICHAELA HELD ON
BEHALF OF THE BUILDING. UM
DECARBONIZATION COALITION AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. ALRIGHT WE HAVE PRIMARY
OPPOSITION WITNESSES IN THE KING
ROOM. PLEASE COME FORWARD
WITNESSES AND OPPOSITION. YOU
HAVE A WITNESS ON THE PHONE AS
WELL. OH, NO, NO, NO, COME
FORTH. YEAH, THERE'S TWO SEATS
OVER THERE, AND IT'S FOUR
MINUTES BETWEEN THE BOTH. YEAH.
AND YOU BECAME BEGIN WHENEVER
YOU'RE READY. GREAT THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR MEMBERS, BETH ALLAH, SO
ON BEHALF OF WATER REUSE
CALIFORNIA FIRST WE WANT TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE AND THE
AUTHOR FOR REALLY LISTENING TO
OUR CONCERNS. WE THINK THE
AMENDMENTS HAVE GONE REALLY FAR
AND WE'RE WE'VE GOTTEN VERY
CLOSE. UM I THINK WHERE WE
DIFFER AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOUR
PROPONENTS SAID YOU'RE NOT
TRYING TO MANDATE ANYTHING, AND
THAT'S WHERE OUR CONCERN IS AT
THE MOMENT WITH THE LANGUAGE AND
THE BILL, UM WE ARE VERY
SUPPORTIVE OF ON SITE REUSE AND
TOTAL REUSE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING
FOR AS AN ASSOCIATION AS A WATER
COMMUNITY. UM EVERY LOCAL
COMMUNITY HAS INVESTED IN
DIFFERENT TYPES OF WATER
RESOURCES THAT WORK FOR THEM.
SOME ARE GOING TO GO HEAVY INTO
POTABLE REUSE WHEN THOSE
REGULATIONS ARE ADOPTED.
SOMEWHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO
ON SITE REUSE BECAUSE THEY DON'T
YOU KNOW, HAVE PURPLE PIPE GOING
DOWN THEIR STREETS ARE GOING TO
GO HEAVY INTO ON SITE. REUSE. UM
WHEN WHERE, WHERE THE BILL STILL
STILL SAYS THAT YOU CAN REQUIRE
, UM, INSTALLATION. WE THAT THAT
IS WHERE OUR ONLY PROBLEM LEFT
WITH REAL PROBLEM IS LEFT WITH
THE BILL. UM WE THINK THAT THIS
PROCESS THAT THE STANDARDS
SHOULD BE SET THE ORDINANCE
MODEL ORDINANCE SHOULD BE
AVAILABLE AND THAT LOCAL
COMMUNITIES CAN DECIDE WHAT IS
THE BEST WAY TO USE THEIR RATE
PAIR FUNDS TO HIT THOSE URBAN
WATER USE OBJECTIVE GOALS AS A
COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE
ALREADY SOME COMMUNITIES. LIKE
ORANGE COUNTY HAVE, YOU KNOW ARE
AND OR SAN DIEGO, SAN DIEGO IS
GOING TO BE 40% POTABLE REUSE IN
THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THAT'S ALL
THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS
AND THOSE RATEPAYERS HAVE
INVESTED THERE AND IF THEY'RE
GOING TO BE HAVING TO THAT COULD
BE A STRANDED ASSET. THEY'RE
GONNA HAVE TO INVEST MORE IN
BUILDINGS. UM IT'S JUST A DOUBLE
USE OF RATEPAYER FUNDS, SO WE
THINK IT SHOULD BE UP TO LOCAL
COMMUNITIES AND ALL WE NEED IS
THAT WORD REQUIRED TO COME OUT
OF THE BILL. UM AND WE WOULD BE
HAPPY TO MOVE INTO A NEUTRAL
POSITION. HI GOOD AFTERNOON, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS. I'M JESSICA
GOGURYEO WITH THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF SANITATION
AGENCIES, ALSO WITH AN OPPOSING
LESS AMENDED POSITION ON THE
BILL WOULD ECHO THE CONCERNS
FROM WATER, REUSE ON LOCAL
CONTROL AND WANTED TO OFFER
ACTUALLY MORE OF A WASTEWATER
PERSPECTIVE ON ON SITE REUSE.
WATER AGENCIES ARE INCREASINGLY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN
FLOWS DUE TO INCREASED
CONSERVATION IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA, WHICH IS ONLY GOING
TO FURTHER INCREASE AS THE
TARGETS ARE IMPLEMENTED OVER THE
NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. UM AND
REALLY TRYING TO GRAPPLE WITH
HOW TO ACCOMMODATE AND MITIGATE
THOSE IMPACTS FROM THE LOWER
FLOWS IN OUR SYSTEMS. WE ARE
CONCERNED THAT MANDATING ON SITE
REUSED IN ANY JURISDICTION COULD
FURTHER EXACERBATE THOSE IMPACTS
TO OUR SYSTEM. SO FOR THOSE
REASONS, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE
ANY FINAL REFERENCES TO
REQUIRING ON SITE SYSTEMS COME
OUT OF THE BILL. THAT IS OUR
ONLY REQUEST, AND WE DO
APPRECIATE THAT. THE RECENT
AMENDMENTS HAVE REALLY IMPROVED
THE BILL QUITE A BIT AND GOTTEN
US ALMOST THERE. UM AND JUST
APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION
AND THE AUTHOR FOR GETTING TO
WHERE WE ARE TODAY. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. NOW, DO WE
HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
IN THE HUMOR ROOM WHO WAS WISH
TEST FINDS OPPOSITION TO THE
BILL. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE,
PAULSON'S OFFICE ON BEHALF OF
THE ORANGE COUNTY WATER DISTRICT
. WE'D LIKE TO ALIGN OUR
COMMENTS WITH WATER REUSE. THANK
THE SENATOR FOR HIS HIS
WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE WITH US
AND WORK WITH US. WE CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH FORWARD TO WORKING
WITH THEM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY
YOU'RE OPPOSING LESS ADMITTED AT
THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIR AND MEMBERS
ADAM JONAS ON BEHALF OF THE
ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA WATER
AGENCIES WANT TO ALIGN OUR
COMMENTS WITH WATER REUSE AND
CASA. IF I COULD JUST RESPOND TO
THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LETTER
THAT WE SUBMITTED NAME AND JUST
NAME ORGANIZATION, PLEASE THANK
YOU JUST CALLED OUT, SO I JUST
WANTED TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT PHONE MODERATE. DO WE
HAVE ANY WITNESSES ON THE PHONE
LINE IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF
SB? 7 45? 7 45. IF YOU'RE IN
SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF SB 7 45
YOU MAY PRESS ONE AND THEN ZERO.
WHO WILL GO TO LINE 23. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. 23 AIRLINE MUTED
AND THIS IS SANTIAGO WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU NEXT TO GO
TO LINE 29. YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
JAMIE MINOR, REPRESENTING
MONTEREY ONE WATER ONE ALIGN MY
COMMENTS WITH THOSE OF WATER.
REEVES IN CASA OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED, BUT APPRECIATE THE
PROGRESS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO
ADDITIONAL THE LANGUAGE. THANK
YOU NEXT TO GO TO LINE 26. YOUR
LINE IS OPEN. THANK YOU, MR
CHAIR AND MEMBERS ERIN AVERY
WITH THE CALIFORNIA SPECIAL
DISTRICTS ASSOCIATION
RESPECTFULLY WITHIN A CLOSING
LESS AMENDED POSITION AND ALIGN
MY COMMENTS WITH THOSE OF CASA.
AND WHAT ARE YOU? THANK YOU,
OFFICER FOR THE WORK THUS FAR.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M 27.
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. PHILLIP VAN
DIRECTLY WITH THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY SANITATION DISTRICTS
APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THE
OTHERS AND COMMITTEE ON THE
LANGUAGE TO LINER COMMENTS WITH
WATER USE AND CASA. WE ARE
OPPOSED, BUT HOPE TO REMOVE THAT
POSITION WITH THEM IN. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. WE
HAVE NO FURTHER SUPPORTER
OPPOSITION IN Q. THANK YOU SO
MUCH PHONE OPERATOR. WE'RE GONNA
BRING IT BACK TO DIOCESAN. FIRST
WE'LL HAVE STARTED
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S OVER AND THEN
WE'LL GO TO SUMMER RETREAT TO
AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, REMEMBER,
JUST SIGNAL TO ME. THANK YOU,
SENATOR. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL. I THINK IT'S A GOOD
ONE. I WANTED TO ASK MR WEST IF
HE HAD ANY RESPONSE TO SOME OF
THE COMMENTS THAT THE OPPONENTS
MADE TODAY. THANK YOU, UM
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S WITH THE
OPPOSITION IS BASICALLY ASKING
FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT GUTS THE
BILL. WE'VE SEEN WITH BUILDING
STANDARDS, TIME AND TIME AGAIN,
THE LEGISLATURE SAW FIT TO
DIRECT A BUILDING STANDARDS
COMMISSION AND THE ENERGY
COMMISSION TO ADOPT A MANDATE
FOR SOLAR INSTALLATIONS ON ON
NEW HOMES BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT
IF YOU DIDN'T DO IT, WE WOULDN'T
MEET OUR TARGETS FAST ENOUGH.
UM, THIS IS FOR SOME REASON,
THEY VIEW THIS AS AS COMPETITION
, UM, WITH WITH MUNICIPAL WATER
CONSERVATION AND REUSE PROGRAMS
. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT
IT HAS TO DO ABOUT MAKING
BUILDINGS MORE EFFICIENT AT THE
FRONT END WHEN THEY'RE DESIGNED
AND WHEN THEY'RE BUILT, SO
UNFORTUNATELY AS THE SPONSOR, WE
CERTAINLY WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO
ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT BECAUSE
WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE BALL
HERE. AND WE THINK IT'S
PARTICULARLY SHORTSIGHTED
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T RETROFIT
BUILDINGS IF YOU LOOK AT THE
SWING SPACE. THE SWING SPACE HAD
BEEN BUILT. WITH A WATER REUSE
ON SITE SYSTEM. TAKING JUST A
GRAY WATER FROM THE SINKS AND
SWING SPACE AND PUTTING IT BACK
INTO THE TOILETS AND INTO THE
URINALS WILL SAVE MILLIONS OF
GALLONS A YEAR FROM THAT ONE
BUILDING. DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE
DO HAVE PURPLE PIPE IN
SACRAMENTO, ROLLING THROUGH THE
STREETS, YOU CAN'T JUST GO
CONNECT TO A BUILDING THAT
HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCEPT
IT. SO WE HAVE TO GET IN FRONT
OF THIS. THIS IS A DECADE, TWO
DECADES DOWN THE DOWN THE ROAD.
THANK YOU. SO WHEN WE TALK THANK
YOU. I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING
THE BILL THAT ONLY COUNTY WATER
DISTRICT CWD, WHO I REPRESENT
HAS TAKING AN OPPOSING UNLESS
MEN POSITION ON SB FIRE AND WE
ALL WEAR THAT O. C. W D IS
CONCERNS THAT SB 7 45 WILL
RADIATE BUILDINGS STANDARD THAT
REQUIRE BUILDING TO BE DESIRE TO
CAPTURE RAY WHAT ON SITE AND
THAT WHICH COULD REDUCE FLOW TO
OCW DAY AND, UH THIS WOULD BE A
DIFFICULTY. CONSIDER THAT CWD IS
ONE OF THE MOST ADVANCED SYSTEM
IN THE STATE. AND ALREADY
RECYCLE 100% OF TO BE, UH,
EXCITABLE INDOOR WATER BACK TO
THE DRINKING WATER QUALITY. SO
I'M I HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION.
THAT TO THE SENATOR THAT WOULD
YOU BE WILLING AH TO ACCEPT
THEIR PROPOSAL AMENDMENT TO
REMOVE THE WORK WITH ACQUIRING
FROM THE BILL LANGUAGE. IN ORDER
TO REMOVE THEIR OPPOSITION.
THROUGH THE CHAIR. THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. I
APPRECIATE YOU. YOU ASKING IT? I
WOULD JUST, UM, TELL YOU THAT,
UM EVEN THOUGH MR WELCH ANSWERED
THE LAST QUESTION. I'M IN FULL,
UM, ALIGNMENT WITH HIM AS THE
AUTHOR OF THE BILL. IT'S
SOMETHING THAT IF WE DIDN'T
AGREE WITH, WE WOULD HAVE TO
WORK OUT. BUT THE IDEA WITH THE
BILL IS TO IS TO ADVANCE WATER
CONSERVATION BY THE VERY
LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING
COME OUT. AND YOU KNOW, IN MY
OWN HOME COUNTY OF SANTA CLARA
COUNTY. SURE THERE ARE, UM ALL
EXISTING IN FUTURE MASSIVE PLANS
TO HAVE WATER FLOW TO THE
TREATMENT SITE AND THEN RECYCLE
IT AND THEN TRY TO PUSH IT BACK
OUT THROUGH PURPLE PIPES. BUT
THERE'S NO FASTER MEANS TO, UM
DEALING WITH OUR WATER PROBLEMS
THAN ON SITE CONSERVATION, AND I
THINK THIS IS A BOTH AND
PROPOSITION WE NEED BOTH AND NOT
ONE OR THE OTHER. THANK YOU. ANY
OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONSTANT
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SEEN ABOUT
THIS CENTER TO CLOSE. THANK YOU,
MR CHAIR, WHICH RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR ARRIVAL. THANK YOU.
SENATOR CORTEZ IS BRINGING THIS
BILL FORWARD. I RECALL WHEN OUR
LOCAL PUB TRADES HAVE BEEN
SHOPPING THIS IDEA FOR A WHILE,
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE IT BE CARED
TO FRUITION. I UNDERSTAND THE
RECENT AND I THANK YOU AND THE
SPONSORS WORKING WITH MY
COMMITTEE STAFF ON THE RECENT
AMENDMENTS. I KNOW IT DOESN'T
ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE CONCERN THE
OPPOSITION HAS, BUT I THINK IT
MOVES THE NEEDLE ON A LOT OF
THINGS, AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN I
THINK THE AMENDMENTS ARE VERY
REASONABLE AND OF COURSE,
THERE'S MORE OUTSTANDING ISSUES
OUT THERE. BUT PLEASE DO KEEP MY
SCM STAFF AND LOOP AS YOU
ADVANCE TO THE FURTHER
COMMITTEES. I HAVE A RECOMMEND.
I VOTE FOR THIS BILL AND I HAVE
A MOTION AND A SECOND. THIS
BILL, WE ALREADY DID. OKAY SEE,
MY COMMITTEE IS SO AHEAD OF ME
WHILE I WAS GONE. HE DID
EVERYTHING ALL RIGHT, SO THE
MOTIONS DO PASS TO THE HOUSING
AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
COMMITTEE. SO, MADAM SECRETARY,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THIS IS
ITEM FOUR. SB 7 45 CORTEZ E. THE
MOTION IS DO PASS AND RE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT. LI I. HOOVER HOOVER
, NOT VOTING ARAMBULA. ARAMBULA.
AYE, BAUER-KAHAN. CONNELLY
CONNELLY. I MAKIN ER MCKENNA. I
PACHECO TÂM. TODD NO. ZABAR
ZUBER. AYE. WE THAT VOTE. IS 51,
SO IT'S OUT. THAT'S OUT ON 51.
THANK YOU, SENATOR. ALL RIGHT
NOW WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE DO
ADD ONS FOR ALL THE BILLS THAT I
MISS. SO IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE
WAS MISSING BILLS AS WELL, WE'LL
GO THROUGH THE LIST. MADAM
SECRETARY, PLEASE, UH, CALL HER
ON THE ADD ON BILLS. TO ADD ON
ITEM ONE. SB THREE DODD. THE
VOTE SITS AT FIVE TO LI LI DÍAS
ARAMBULA ARAMBULA, I GOES TO 72.
S P 5 62 NEWMAN IS ITEM TO THE
VOTES SITS AT 60 WITH TOÀN UP
VOTING. LI LI I ARAMBULA
ARAMBULA. I BRINGS IT TO EIGHT.
ZERO. ITEM NUMBER THREE SB 6 42
CORTESI. THE VOTE STANDS AT 60
WITH TOÀN UP VOTING LI LI I
PACHECO. OKAY SO WE'LL WAIT FOR,
UM, PARTICULARLY THE VOTES OUT.
ITEM FOUR. SB 7 45 CORTESI. OKAY
WE'LL WAIT FOR THAT MEMBERS ARE
MISSING. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HOLD
THE ROLL OPEN FOR A COUPLE MORE
MINUTES FOR MEMBERS TO RETURN
AND ADD ON. UM SO WAIT FOR THEM
THEN. TOO MUCH HERE. KIND OF.
ITEM TWO. SO WE'RE WAITING ON
THREE AND FOUR.
IN PARTICULAR END, OKAY?
HOOVERS ENDING.
YEAH. YEAH, SUPER. YES VERY
COMPLEX EVER HURT COMMUNIST?
WHAT I THINK THE OTHER ONE FROM
OKAY. BRING OUT BOATING. AND THE
WORK TOGETHER LIKE DRAWING OVER
THERE. OKAY WELL, THAT'S A VIDEO
HERE. IT'S JUST LIKE IF
EVERYONE'S CRACKING AT THAT WE
ALL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. MY
MOTHER. WHENEVER TOTALLY, BUT WE
ALWAYS MISS THAT. YEAH, YEAH,
TOTALLY. FOR YOUR LIKE YEAH.
TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING IN A
BILL OR SOME.
WE DOUBLE CHECK IT. LUZ RIVAS
BERG, HOLLYWOOD ALMOST ALWAYS ON
, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S HARD
BETWEEN THOSE THE SAME TIME.
YEAH. IT IS THE SECOND. RIGHT
BUT THERE WASN'T ESPECIALLY
THESE TWO RIGHT NEXT TO EACH
OTHER. ALWAYS. 20 YOU SAID THAT
HONESTLY HAPPEN. REPORTER. I'VE
NEVER HAD THAT.
TO ADD ON ON ITEM NUMBER THREE
SP 6 42 COURTESY. THE VOTE
STANDS AT 70 PACHECO. PACHECO.
AYE. ITEM NUMBER FOUR SB 7 45
CORTESI. THE VOTE STANDS AT 51
BAUER-KAHAN PACHECO PACHECO, I
BRINGS IT TO 61. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. THIS CONCLUDES OUR SO FAR
ONLY STM HEARING OF THE SENATE
BILLS FOR THE SESSION, SO THAT
CONCLUDES HEARING AND THIS
HEARING IS NOW ADJOURNED. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY?
YEAH.