YEAH. VICE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE WORK WELCOME TO THE
ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON INSURANCE
TODAY WE WILL CONSIDER TEN BILLS
FOR THESE BILLS ARE RECOMMENDED
CONSENT I'D LIKE TO REMIND
EVERYBODY THAT TESTIMONY WILL BE
LIMITED TO TWO WITNESSES PER
SIDE. WITH THE TIME FRAME OF TWO
MINUTES EACH. WE'RE GONNA START
AS A SUBCOMMITTEE- WE HAVE AN
AUTHOR SENATOR WHICH MAKES THEIR
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP.
THANK YOU CHAIR AND COLLEAGUES
TODAY I PRESENT SB THREE NINETY
ONE WHICH WOULD ESTABLISH A
REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION THAT SKIN
CANCER TO DEVELOP BY
CALIFORNIA'S WILDLIFE OFFICERS
AND PARK RANGERS IS ASSOCIATED
WITH EXCESSIVE SUN EXPOSURE
CAUSED BY THEIR EMPLOYMENT WHEN
THEY FIRE FILE A WORKERS COMP
CLAIM. CALIFORNIA FISH AND
WILDLIFE OFFICERS AND STATE PARK
RANGERS OFTEN WORK TEN TO TWELVE
HOURS PER DAY WITH MANY OF THOSE
HOURS SPENT UNDER THE SUN THIS
AMOUNTS TO DECADES OF SUN
EXPOSURE WHICH IS THE PRIMARY
RISK FACTOR FOR SKIN CANCER
ACCORDING TO THE INTERNATIONAL
AGENCY FOR RESEARCH ON CANCER
AND THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION. UNDER CURRENT
STATE LAW THIS REBUTTABLE
PRESUMPTION IS ONLY EXTENDED TO
LIFEGUARDS WHO ARE EMPLOYED BY
STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THIS
IS A PROFESSION THAT SIMILARLY
INVOLVED SIGNIFICANT SUN
EXPOSURE UNFORTUNATELY THE
PRESUMPTION IS NOT PROVIDED TO
OUR WILDLIFE OFFICERS AND PARK
RANGERS. SB THREE NINE ONE WILL
RECTIFY THIS ISSUE TO MAKE IT
EASIER FOR THESE PUBLIC SERVANTS
TO ACCESS WORKERS COMPENSATION
WHEN THEY ARE FACING SKIN CANCER
WITH ME IN SUPPORT IS CAPTAIN
PATRICK FOY FROM THE FISH AND
GAME WARDENS SUPERVISORS AND
MANAGERS ASSOCIATION AND- AND
I'D LIKE TO INVITE HIM TO SAY. A
FEW WORDS IF THAT'S OKAY WITH
THE CHECK. THANK YOU THANK YOU
SENATOR MY NAME'S PATRICK ROY-
BEEN CALDERON MEMBERS- I
REPRESENT THE FISH GAME WARDENS
SUPERVISORS AND MANAGERS
ASSOCIATION. SPONSORS OF SB
THREE NINETY ONE. ALONG WITH THE
CALIFORNIA STATEWIDE LAW
ENFORCEMENT ASSOCIATION- A
FRIEND OF MINE- PATROL PARTNER
AND FELLOW GAME WARDEN NAMED
ALLEN ONE GARDEN. DEVELOPED
MELANOMA OVER THE COURSE OF HIS
CAREER TERM. DUE TO OCCUPATIONAL
EXPOSURE TO THE SUN THIS IS
ABOUT FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. AND
ALLEN- DEVELOP THE MELANOMA HE
FOUGHT IT. I FELT A WORKERS COMP
CLAIM IN THAT CLAIM WAS DENIED.
HE WAS IN THE THROES OF A BATTLE
FOR HIS LIFE- WELL HE HAD TO
HIRE A PRIVATE ATTORNEY AND SUE
THE WORKERS COMP SYSTEM AND
ULTIMATELY PREVAILED. WHICH WAS
GOOD NEWS- BECAUSE HE DID FIND
OUT THAT HE WAS SUCCESSFUL IN
THAT. REVERSAL OF WORKERS COMP
COVERAGE WHICH GAVE HIS WIFE AND
CHILL CHILDREN ARE MUCH BETTER
BENEFITS BECAUSE HE LOST HIS
LIFE ULTIMATELY TO THE DISEASE-
I'VE BEEN A CAPTAIN WITH THE
FISH AND WILDLIFE FOR OURS WELL
BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT SINCE
NINETEEN NINETY SEVEN. SINCE TWO
THOUSAND NINE I'VE HAD SIX
SCREEN MISSILE CARCINOMAS. IN
ONE BASAL CELL CARCINOMA- MOSTLY
ON MY ARMS AND BACK MY NECK. I'M
ABOUT A MULTI SURGICALLY REMOVED
BY MY PRIVATE DERMATOLOGIST-
BECAUSE I JUST. NEVER THOUGHT
THAT THE WORKERS COMP SYSTEM
WOULD BE WORTH IT BECAUSE OF
WHAT ELEMENT THROUGH. AND THAT
HAD SIX DEPRIVE FIVE DIFFERENT-
TROPICAL COMMITTEE R. B.
TREATMENTS ON MY FACE FOR ALSO-
TO PERK UP PREVENT SOME OF THE
LESIONS FROM BECOMING. A SKIN
CANCER. I FOLLOW WORKERS COMP
CLAIM AND EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND
ON MAY TENTH WAS NOTIFIED BY
STATE COMPENSATION INSURANCE
FUND THAT MY CLAIM WAS DENIED
THEY SET A QUOTE. DOESN'T
QUALIFY UNDER WHAT IS CALLED A
PRESUMPTION FOR YOUR EMPLOYMENT.
IN QUOTE. WILDLIFE OFFICERS AND
PARK RANGERS UNLIKE 98% OF THE
POLICE OFFICERS OUT IN
CALIFORNIA. WE DO NOT HAVE THE
BENEFIT OF THE REBUTTABLE
PRESUMPTION. SO THE CALIFORNIA
COMMISSION ON HEALTH AND SAFETY
AND WORKERS COMPENSATION YOU
MIGHT KNOW THE MYSTERIES WORK.
COMMISSION TO UC SAN FRANCISCO
OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH PHYSICIANS
TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT
WILDLIFE OFFICERS AND PARK
RANGERS ARE AT GREATER RISK OF
SKIN CANCER DUE TO OCCUPATIONAL
EXPOSURE TO THE SUN. THEY WROTE
A TWENTY WHICH A TWENTY ONE PAGE
REPORT LETTER TO THE
LEGISLATURE. AND AMONG OTHER
THINGS IT SAID. THE WEIGHT OF
THE EVIDENCE IS SUPPORTIVE OF A
CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP AND THE
OCCUPATIONAL SETTING. THIS IS AN
EQUITY ISSUE FOR STATE WILDLIFE
OFFICERS IN PARK RANGERS. EVERY
POLICE OFFICER SHERIFF'S DEPUTY
AND HIGHWAY PATROL OFFICER IN
THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS A
PRESUMPTION FOR ALL CANCERS. WE
WERE LEFT OUT OF THAT DEFINITION
OF A PEACE OFFICER IN THAT
LEGISLATIVE CODE WE ARE NOT
ASKING FOR A PRESUMPTION FOR ALL
CANCERS WE ARE ASKING FOR
PRESUMPTION. FOR THE CANCER THAT
IS MOST THAT FLEXES THE MOST
WHICH SKIN CANCER SO I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST- ABOUT.
ANOTHER WITNESS. I KNOW ONE
WITNESS OKAY- ADDITIONAL SUPPORT
. YES PLEASE COME FORWARD. GOOD
MORNING JENNIFER WROTE ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE Y. LAS.
DITION AND SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING
JENNIFER FEARING ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA WILDLIFE OFFICERS
FOUNDATION THE MONTEREY BAY
AQUARIUM THE NATURE CONSERVANCY
AND THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE
FEDERATION IN SUPPORT AND ALSO
CONVEYING THE SUPPORT OF
OCEANICA AT THE PLANNING AND
CONSERVATION LEAGUE AND FRIENDS
A FISHING GAME. THANK YOU.
MORNING MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS JOE
LEVINE OF PLASMID VISORS ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA FISH
AND GAME WARDENS ASSOCIATION IN
STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU DO WE
HAVE ANY OPPOSITION. C. NINE. OF
BRING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU A
LOT OF CHAIR I- FIRST LAW CENTER
I JUST WANNA TELL YOU THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD- I.
HAVE WORKED- IN DEPTH IN THIS
AREA- AS WELL AS BUT ON THE
FIREFIGHTER AND POLICE SIDE IN
NO WAY WHILE WE'RE WERE ANY
GROUPS LEFT OUT ON PURPOSE SO
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP
AND THIS IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT
ESPECIALLY TO INCLUDE- OF THOSE
FOLKS THAT ARE EXPOSED AND-
WOULD HAVE A WORK RELATED ISSUE
WITH SKIN CANCER. AND WITH THAT
I WOULD JUST REQUEST OF- YOU'RE
WILLING TO ALLOW ME TO COME ON
AS A CO OP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
I WOULD BE DELIGHTED WILL ADD
YOU. SENATOR WE WILL TAKE THIS
UP WE HAVE A QUORUM AND SO- TWO
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE- WELL
THE LAST THING I JUST LIKE TO
SAY IS JUST TO PUT THIS IN IN
CONTEXT OF SCALE SO THERE ARE
ABOUT A THOUSAND- GAME WARDENS
AND PARK RANGERS AND THERE WERE
TWO CLAIMS. LAST YEAR THAT WERE
BOTH DENIED SO- SUGGESTED TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING TO BE
THE EFFECT OF THIS IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
FACING IT BUT THIS ISN'T- A
LARGE EXPANSION OF THE WORKERS
COMP SYSTEM. AND WITH THAT I
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR EITHER.
THANK YOU SENATOR. THANK YOU.
THE.
GOOD MORNING SENATOR. WE'RE
READY WHENEVER YOUR.
SPONSORED BY THE CALIFORNIA
APPLICANTS ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION
SB SIX THIRTY ONE AIMS TO
ADDRESS POTENTIAL GENDER BASED
DISPARITIES IN WORKERS
COMPENSATION BENEFITS I BELIEVE
IT'S ESSENTIAL TO PROTECT THE
RIGHTS OF INJURED WORKERS ENSURE
THAT THEY RECEIVE THE BENEFITS
THEY'RE ENTITLED TO UNDER THE
LAW L. REMAIN STEADFAST IN IN
FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS OF
WORKERS IN CALIFORNIA WELL THE
NEED IS A PARENT QUANTIFYING
THESE INEQUALITIES IS VITAL A
TWO NINE AND REFORM THIS
COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS THAT THAT
WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THE BILL
WILL EXAMINE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
INDUSTRIES. A RATE OF CLAIM TO
DIAL COMPENSATION PAID TO
IDENTIFY ANY POTENTIAL GENDER
BASED DISPARITIES BY IDENTIFYING
AND ADDRESSING THOSE DISPARITIES
IN WORKERS COMPENSATION BENEFITS
SB SIX THIRTY ONE WILL HELP
ENSURE THAT ALL EMPLOYERS I'M
SORRY EMPLOYEES ARE FAIRLY
COMPENSATED FOR INJURIES
SUSTAINED IN THE COURSE OF
EMPLOYMENT. OVERALL SB SIX
THIRTY ONE IS AN IMPORTANT STEP
TOWARD PROMOTING GENDER EQUITY
IN THE WORKPLACE ENSURING THAT
ALL WORKERS RECEIVE THE BENEFITS
THEY'RE ENTITLED TO OR THE
WORKERS COMPENSATION SYSTEM.
WITH ME HERE TODAY. OF THE
FORMER ASSEMBLYMEMBER OF
BERKELEY TO RECALL ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA APPLICANTS
ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT
OF THE BILL THANK YOU IN A TO
PROBATE TIME US UP FOR AN AYE
VOTE THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS THE
COMMITTEE OBERNOLTE COLUMBIA FOR
THE CALIFORNIA UP IN A- SO
SPONSOR OF THE TO THE COUPLE ONE
ONE HIGHLIGHT FIRST AND FOREMOST
. I THINK IT'S AN ACCEPTANCE-
THE FACT THAT OF WOMEN MAKE LESS
THAN MEN. IN THE SENATE IF YOU
COMPARE THEM IN THE SAME
QUALIFICATION SIMPLIFICATION THE
SAME EXPERIENCE ALL THOSE
FACTORS WOMEN STILL MAKE.
ANYWHERE FROM SEVENTY TO SEVENTY
FIVE CENTS COMPARED TO A DOLLAR
FOR THE MALE COUNTERPART.
BECAUSE WORKERS COMPENSATION
BENEFITS ARE BASED ON SALARY BUT
AUTOMATICALLY RESULTS IN LOWER
BENEFITS FOR WOMEN THIS STUDY
WILL I THINK WILL GO A LONG WAY
TO QUALIFY IN THIS INFORMATION
AND- AND TO- ASSURING THAT. WE
ALL UNDERSTAND LEGISLATORS IN
PARTICULAR UNDERSTAND THE
DISPARITY. A SECOND I WOULD JUST
STOP POINT OUT FROM THE
ANALYSIS. AND I THINK THE
OFFICIAL RATE THIS IS WELL THE
TAPE WOULD PREFER CHESWICK TO
PERFORM THE STUDY IN THE UC
BERKELEY LABOR STUDY CENTER. I
WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT IN THE
LAST TEN YEARS- DEPUTY ATTORNEYS
AND OTHERS HAVE INTRODUCED
LEGISLATION. DEALING WITH GENDER
EQUITY WHEN IT COMES TO CANCER
AND OTHER OTHER INJURIES IN THE
WORKPLACE. AT NO TIME IN HIS
LAST TEN YEARS HAS JUST LOOK
SHOWN ANY INTEREST IN. THE
GENDER INEQUITY ISSUE- WE DO
HAVE AN INTERESTED PARTY THE
LINK TO THE LABOR STUDY CENTER.
PERFECTLY QUICK TO DO THIS SO WE
ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH. THE
UC LABOR STUDIES PERFORMING-
THIS IMPORTANT ANALYSIS. WITHOUT
A RESPECT THAT FROM ABOUT. THANK
YOU DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL
SUPPORT IN THE ROOM. SCENE NINE-
DO WE HAVE ANY. PRIMARY
OPPOSITION.
HELLO JANE MEMBERS FAITH FOR
JESS ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF JOINT POWERS
AUTHORITIES HERE TODAY WITH AN
IN BETWEEN POSITION ON SB SIX
THIRTY ONE WE ARE OPPOSED TO
LESS AMENDED TO THE CURRENT TAX
BUT WE WOULD BE PLEASED TO
SUPPORT IT. IF AMENDED. I'D LIKE
TO BEGIN BY SHARING THAT COULD
JOB AND OUR PUBLIC EMPLOYERS AN
EMPHATICALLY SUPPORT EQUALITY IN
ALL ASPECTS OF EMPLOYMENT
INCLUDING WORKERS COMPENSATION
YOU'VE SEEN US HERE MANY TIMES
STATING THAT DATA IS KING OR
QUEEN WHEN IT COMES TO WORKERS
COMPENSATION AND WE ARE ALWAYS
IN SUPPORT OF ITS PURSUIT TO
INFORM GOOD PUBLIC POLICY AND
IMPROVE OUTCOMES FOR INJURED
WORKERS. FOR THOSE REASONS WILL
BE PLEASED TO SUPPORT THE BILL
IF THE ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED IN
THE PROPER PLACE AS WAS
MENTIONED WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE
A DYNAMIC WITH THE COMMISSION ON
HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WORKERS
COMPENSATION BECAUSE IT'S A
JOINT LABOR MANAGEMENT BODY WITH
SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE.
THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT SYMBOL
WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA WORKERS
COMPENSATION SYSTEM BUT THE
CURRENT CALCULATION OF TEMPORARY
AND PERMANENT DISABILITY IS
BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON ONE SIMPLE
FORMULA ACTUAL WAGES LOST
THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENT TO
BENEFITS UPON GENDER FOR ANY
INJURED WORKER. IN ADDITION TO
THE CRITERIA THAT'S BEEN
DISCUSSED FOR THE STUDY WE WOULD
LOVE TO KNOW THE REASON THAT
CLAIMS ARE DENIED WE THINK THIS
INTO IMPORTANT COMPONENT IN
UNDERSTANDING ANY DATA THAT'S
PUT FORWARD FOR EXAMPLE IS IT
DUE TO NEGATIVE COVERT TESTS ON
CONFIRM DIAGNOSIS DID THE
INJURED INJURED WORKER REFUSED
TO SIGN A RELEASE OF MEDICAL
RECORDS. NOT ALL CLAIM DENIALS
ARE FICTIONAL. WE APPRECIATE THE
DIALOGUE HERE. TODAY AND LOOK
FORWARD TO ONGOING CONVERSATION.
THINK ABOUT MEMBERS ARE. SMALL
HERE ON THE OF THE- COALITION
WORKERS COMPENSATION PRISM AND
THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE TODAY AS WELL. AB ONE
ALIGN MY COMMENTS WITH THOSE OF
THE JAPA AND JUST. ADD WERE
ALWAYS SUPPORTIVE OF MORE DATA
YOU'RE A SINGER FREQUENTLY
TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE
DATA- SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO
A PLACE WHERE WE COULD SUPPORT
THE BILL. I WITH RESPECT TO
CHEESE WICK- WE LIKE CHEESE WEEK
BECAUSE THEY HAVE LABOR AND
MANAGEMENT FOLKS- ON THAT-
COMMISSION THEY ARE DEVELOPED OR
THEY WERE CREATED BY THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA SPECIFICALLY FOR
THE PURPOSE OF EVALUATING THE
WORKERS COMPENSATION SYSTEM IN
MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE
LEGISLATURE- WE FIND GREAT
VALUE- IN THE WORK THAT THEY DO-
WITH RESPECT TO THEM- BUT HAVING
INTEREST I THINK THAT THE
COMMISSION HAS ALWAYS
DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY'RE
RESPONSIVE TO THE LEGISLATURE
WHETHER IT'S A LETTER FROM- FROM
A MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE A
CHAIR. OR A PIECE OF LEGISLATION
CALLING ON A STUDY SO I'M SURE
THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIVE TO OUR
REQUEST IF ONE. WERE MADE- AND
WITH THAT- WE- RESPECTFULLY- ARE
IN OPPOSITION AT THE MOMENT BUT
WOULD LIKE AGAIN TO GET SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO REVENUE
TO- ADDITIONAL. IN THE ROOM
PLEASE CONFIRM. GOOD MORNING
MADAM CHAIR KRISTA KELLY ON
BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION OF
CLAIMS PROFESSIONALS AND WE
SHARE THE SAME POSITION AS-
COULD JAVA AND C. C. W. C. THANK
YOU MADAM CHAIR. MARKET SEGMENT
AMERICAN PROPERTY CASUAL
INSURANCE ASSOCIATION- WE'D
REQUEST THE AMENDMENT SO THAT
WERE IT'S STUDY BY WORKERS COMP
EXPERT THANK YOU. YOU OKAY I'LL
BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE
TOO MANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
AUTHOR. THANK YOU. ARE YOU SAID
THE GENDER PAY GAP IS A FACT
CORRECT. LET'S SAY THAT YES OKAY
SOLDIER HISTORICALLY WHAT YOU'RE
DOING IS YOU'RE TAKING. ALL
MONEY EARNED BY MEN AND
COMPARING IT ALL MONEY EARNED BY
WOMEN ACROSS THE BOARD NOT.
THAT'S NOT CORRECT SO GIVE
EXAMPLES WHERE MEN AND WOMEN IN
THE SAME. JOB SAME EXPERIENCE
ARE BEING PAID DIFFERENTLY YES
THERE'S NUMEROUS STUDIES TO
REFLECT THAT MR COHEN EXACT. YOU
CAN NEVER GET EXACT LIST PEOPLE
HIRED SAMETIME OF SAME
EXPERIENCE HOWEVER. THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF STUDIES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA DEMONSTRATE THERE IS
A CLEAR. PAY EQUITY GAP- AND
THAT THE MEN. ARE PAID. 25230%
MORE THAN WOMEN IN THE SAME
POSITION WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE
STUDY. I I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET AT
YOUR OFFICERS. ARE MEMBER YOU DO
ACKNOWLEDGE THOUGH IT IS ILLEGAL
IN CALIFORNIA. TO TREAT MEN AND
WOMEN DIFFERENTLY AT THE JOBLESS
. I DO KNOW IS THAT IS ILLEGAL
ALSO. I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE TO
. IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO
ENFORCE. THAT I DON'T THINK SO I
DID IMPLEMENT LITIGATION IF
THERE'S A WOMAN THE WORKPLACE
AND SHE'S BEING. PAID LESS IN
THE SAME JOB AS A MAN SHE HAS
EVERY RIGHT TO SUE AND I
ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO I JUST.
THIS IS A NEW ONE CONVERSATION I
JUST THINK I DON'T LIKE IT WOULD
JUST SAY THINGS OUR FAX. I THINK
WE NEED TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE
EVIDENCE AND SEE WHAT IT COMES
BACK TO AND IF THERE IS.
INSTANCES WHERE WOMEN ARE BEING
PAID LESS THAN MEN FOR THE SAME
WORK. THEY NEED THAT NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED AND SUIT BUT- I DON'T
THINK WE SHOULD JUST. ACTUATE A-
THAT THAT WHAT MIGHT BE A FALSE
NARRATIVE BUT WITHOUT YOU BACK
THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY IS TO.
VERIFY THAT INFORMATION AND-
WE'LL KNOW SOON ENOUGH. THANK
YOU. I DO HAVE ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS FOR THE AUTHOR.
ASSEMBLY WOMAN ORTEGA'S. THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE
THAT AS A WOMAN I KNOW IT'S A
FACT. THAT THERE IS A WAGE
DISPARITIES- AND REALLY
APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND
TRYING TO- YOU KNOW. ADDRESSES
ISSUE AND HIGHLIGHT DAY- THE
CONCERNS. THANK YOU. SOMEONE
GRAYSON. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR
THANK YOU FOR THIS WORK I WOULD
ASSUME- ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ON.
THE COMMITTEE HERE WOULD BE VERY
SUPPORTIVE- LOOKING FOR FACTS
AND DATA. I TO- WITH MY WIFE AND
DAUGHTER IN PROFESSIONS. KNOW
FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE
DISPARITIES- THANK YOU SIMON
JONES SAWYER. I WANT I WANT TO
THANK YOU ARMY WHAT ONE OF THE
THINGS. BECAUSE OF-
MISREPRESENTATION THAT WENT OUT
ABOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND
OTHER THINGS- WHAT ABOUT FINDING
THE FACTS. AND THEY'RE
INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT WANT TO
SEE THE FACTS. BECAUSE IT A MASS
. THE FROM TIME TO THE MATH WHAT
THEY REALLY ARE WHAT THE REAL
TENTS ARE. DOING THIS. IT STOP
THE PERPETUATION. OF A LOT OF
WRONGS THAT ARE GOING ON. BUT
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. IS TO
FIND OUT NOT ONLY BE WHITE
WHAT'S GOING ON BUT HOW WE CAN
SOLVE IT HOW WE CAN TO MOVE
BEYOND THIS. WHICH I THINK WE
ALL AGREE WILL GET BEYOND THIS.
AND WE'RE GONNA GET BEYOND THIS
IS DOING STUDIES LIKE THAT FROM.
FIVE PLUS YOU FOR DOING IT- IT'S
NOT ALWAYS EASY. BUT IT'S- IF
NECESSARY THANK YOU. SENATOR
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE. THANK
YOU SO MUCH APPRECIATE ALL THE
COMMENTS OF FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS INTO A TO PRACTICE OF
LAW IN THE LABOR EMPLOYMENT
FIELD IT AT ONE TIME FULL TIME.
AND TOOK ON PLAINTIFFS WORK-
WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN
IN THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH- TO
QUOTE THE FAMOUS STATESMAN FROM
THE PASS WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT
WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW. IN
THIS IS WHAT WE CAN GET DONE
RIGHT NOW I THINK WITH THE
SUPPORT OF THIS COMMITTEE AND OF
COURSE WITH THE SUPPORT OF OUR
COLLEAGUES. IN BOTH HOUSES OF
THE LEGISLATURE WE'VE TRIED
WE'VE IDENTIFIED I WHO
IDENTIFIED- THE VERY FIRST
DISPARITIES SO. IN IN THIS AREA
AND GONE AFTER THOSE WITH
PREVIOUS LEGISLATION AND WE'RE-
GET THE RESPONSE INCOME PERHAPS
RIGHTEOUSLY. YOU KNOW FROM
COMMITTEES FROM COMMITTEE
CONSULTANTS EVEN FROM COLLEAGUES
OCCASIONALLY AND CERTAINLY FROM
THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY- THAT YOU
NEED TO STUDY. YOU NEED A STUDY
TO BACK UP. YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS
SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU'RE
TARGETING SO- YOU KNOW I THINK
WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS CONCEDE
THAT IN AND COME FORWARD AND
SAY- THIS IS AN EXPERT
ORGANIZATION ON THE ISSUE OF
EQUITY ON THE ISSUE OF EQUITY
THEY HAVE ALL THE EXPERTISE IN
THE WORLD ON EQUITY AND WE'RE
ASKING THEM. TO COME BACK IN AND
LET US KNOW OF WHAT- WHAT THEIR
STUDY WILL SHOW IN THIS REGARD
WITH THAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR I. BOATS. IN THANK
YOU TO THE COMMITTEE PUT AWAY
FOR YOUR HELP WITH THIS BILL.
YOU'RE. THANK YOU. IS ACCORDING
. THE SIXTY. YEAH HI. VENTURES
SIX OR SIX OF NEXT NOT I CAN YES
OKAY THANK YOU AND EVERY READY
SENATOR.
THANK YOU AGAIN. IN IN THIS CASE
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO
PRESENT SB SIX THIRTY SIXTY
TODAY. SB SIX THIRTY SIX WOULD
REQUIRE UTILIZATION REVIEW TO BE
DONE BY DOCTORS LICENSED IN
CALIFORNIA. THIS WOULD ONLY
APPLY TO PRIVATE WORKERS
COMPOSITION CASES OF THE BILL
WOULD GO INTO EFFECT JANUARY
FIRST TWENTY TWENTY FIVE.
UTILIZATION REVIEW IS WHEN A
WORKERS COMP INSURANCE COMPANY
REVIEWS A TREATING PHYSICIANS
TREATMENT RECOMMENDATIONS THEY
APPROVE MODIFY OR DENY TREATMENT
BASED ON WHAT THE CONSIDERED
MEDICALLY NECESSARY UNDER
CURRENT LAW DOCTORS DOING
UTILIZATION REVIEW FOR WORKERS
COMP CASES DO NOT HAVE TO BE
LICENSED CALIFORNIA. IF A
REVIEWER NOT LICENSING
CALIFORNIA MAKES A DECISION THAT
RESULTS IN HARM TO A PATIENT
THAT DOCTORS NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD THIS
LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY- IS A
DANGER TO PATIENTS. THE IDEA IS
NOT NEW THE CALIFORNIA
LEGISLATORS CONSIDER THIS ISSUE
THREE TIMES BEFORE IN
200-082-0102 TWENTY ELEVEN. EACH
OF THOSE BILLS WOULD HAVE
REQUIRED UTILIZATION REVIEW FOR
ALL WORKERS COMP CASES TO BE
DONE BY PHYSICIANS LICENSE IN
CALIFORNIA ALL THREE WERE PASSED
BY THE LEGISLATURE BUT BE TOWED
A BY GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER
GOVERNOR BROWN. WELL THESE PAST
BILLS APPLIED TO ALL WORKERS SB
SIX THIRTY SIX APPLIES ONLY TO
PRIVATE WORKERS AND THAT'S A
DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE BILLS
IN THIS BILL THAT I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE BY STARTING WITH A
SMALLER GROUP WE CAN DEMONSTRATE
THE BENEFITS OF THIS IMPROVE
ACCOUNTABILITY WE CAN ALSO OPEN
THE DOOR. FOR THIS TO BE
EXPANDED TO OTHER WORKERS LATER
IF APPROPRIATE. THIS BILLS CO
SPONSORED BY THE UNION AMERICAN
POSITIONS IN DENNIS CALIFORNIA
NEUROLOGICAL SOCIETY. IN ASKS
ME. UP WITH US TESTIFIED TODAY
WE HAVE STEVE CATHOLICA WITH THE
CALIFORNIA NEUROLOGICAL SOCIETY
AND GEORGE OSBORNE WITH THE
UNION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND
DENTISTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO
THE COMMITTEE FOR YOUR HELP AND
SCRUTINY OF THIS. PROPOSAL THIS
BILL- INAPPROPRIATE TIME I WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK RIVAL. THANK
YOU OUR FIRST WITNESS. THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR- GOOD MORNING. I'M
GEORGE OSBORNE FOR THE UNION OF
AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND
DENTISTS. WANT TO THANK SENATOR
CORTESE FOR BRINGING FORWARD
THIS IMPORTANT LEGISLATION. SB
SIX THIRTY SIX WOULD REQUIRE
UTILIZATION REVIEW. FOR PRIVATE
PRIVATE WORKERS COMPENSATION
CASES TO BE DONE BY MEDICAL
PROFESSIONALS. LICENSED IN
CALIFORNIA. INSURANCE USE.
REVIEW TO BE ABLE TO DENY. A
WORKERS COMPENSATION CLAIM.
THERE YOU ARE DOCTORS CAN MODIFY
OR DENY TREATMENT WITH IMPUNITY.
DURING THE INSURANCE COMPANY
BIDDING. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT
SUBJECT TO MEDICAL BOARD OF
CALIFORNIA RULES OR REGULATIONS.
THEY'RE OFTEN IN FAR AWAY STATES
ACTING AS SURROGATES FOR THE
INSURERS. IF YOUR DOCTOR MAKES A
RECOMMENDATION HARMFUL TO THE
PATIENT THEY FACE NO
ACCOUNTABILITY IN CALIFORNIA FOR
THEIR ACTIONS. THE CALIFORNIA
LEGISLATURE IS SENATOR COURSE
AGIUS SAID HAS PASSED BILL
SIMILAR TO SB SIX THIRTY SIX
THREE TIMES BEFORE. EACH OF
THESE BILLS WERE VETOED BY THE
SITTING GOVERNOR AT THE TIME.
BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED WE HAVE A
DIFFERENT GOVERNOR AND WE EXPECT
A DIFFERENT RESULT THIS TIME
WHEN THE BILL REACHES THE
GOVERNOR'S DESK. RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YEAR I VOTED FOR SB SIX
THIRTY SIX STEVE. VENTURE
COMMITTEE. CENTER THANK YOU FOR
ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK MY NAME
STEEP ATOMIC I REPRESENT THE
CALIFORNIA NEUROLOGICAL SOCIETY
CO SPONSORS OF SB SIX THIRTY
SIX. SB SIX THIRTY SIX RESPONSE
DIRECTLY TO A REQUEST MADE TO
THE LEGISLATURE BY THE
CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT IN ITS
OPINION IN KING VERSUS COM
PARTNERS. CITING THE PLENARY
POWER OF THE LEGISLATURE WHEELS
REGARDING THE WORKERS
COMPENSATION SYSTEM THE COURT
WAS COMPELLED TO FIND IN FAVOR
OF COMPARTMENTS THE U. R.
PHYSICIANS EMPLOYER. AS A RESULT
THE COURT ASKED THE LEGISLATURE
TO REVIEW THEIR WORK COMP YOU
ARE PROCESS IT HAD CREATED
BECAUSE QUOTE THE SYSTEM MAY NOT
BE WORKING AS INTENDED. SB SIX
THIRTY SIX IS A DIRECT AND
POSITIVE RESPONSE TO THE RECORD
OF THE COURT'S REQUEST OF YOU.
THE COMMITTEE SHOULD UNDERSTAND
THIS BILL IS NOT AS SOME OF THE
LOOTED MEANT TO QUESTION THE
COMPETENCY OR TRAINING OF YOUR
PHYSICIANS NOR IS IT MEANT TO
UNDERMINE THE CLINICAL
GUIDELINES YOU ARE PHYSICIANS
USE TO DELAY OR DENY CARE. IT'S
EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
THAT THE QUESTION ASKED BY THE
COURT ADDRESSED A LACK OF
RECOURSE. FOR INJURED WORKERS
WHEN THE U. R. REVIEWER MAKES A
POOR DECISION. NOT NECESSARILY
THE DECISION ITSELF. IN RESPONSE
SB SIX THIRTY SIX PROVIDES A
LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POOR
MEDICAL DECISIONS. A LEVEL OF
ACCOUNTABILITY IF NEEDED THAT
THE COURT OF LAW CAN RELY ON. I
CLOSED BY STATING THAT IT IS
IRRELEVANT WHETHER A KING CASE
OCCURS ONCE A DAY ONCE A WEEK OR
ONCE IN A LIFETIME. WHAT IS IT
ISSUE AND WHAT IS RELEVANT IS
THE FACT CALIFORNIA LICENSE OR
CAN PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE SAFETY
NET WHEN HARM COMES TO INJURED
WORKERS. WHEN THE U. R. PROCESS
GOES AWRY I RESPECTFULLY ASK
YOUR AYE VOTE. THANK YOU ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND SUPPORT
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME
ORGANIZATION A POSITION. THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR MITCH SNIDER
WITH CALIFORNIA LABOR FEDERATION
ALSO IN SUPPORT. JAMES MICHAEL
APOLLO. PASS ME CALIFORNIA PROUD
CO SPONSOR IN SUPPORT THANK YOU
. ANY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
PLEASE COME FORWARD.
YOU READY THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR
- AND MEMBERS- IF I COULD BEFORE
I GET STARTED WHEN A CLARIFY-
FEW. THAT WERE MADE. BY THE
SPONSOR- FIRST- YOU ARE DOESN'T
EXIST TO AND HUMIDIFIER HOSTS
YET SIR I WAS JUST READ INTO
THAT WASN'T. I'M RARELY
EXCITABLE ADJACENT SHELTER
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
COALITION OF WORKERS
COMPENSATION PRISON AND THE
CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
YOU ARE DOES NOT EXIST- TO
IMPLEMENT THE WILL OF INSURERS
WITH IMPUNITY- EXISTS TO
IMPLEMENT THE WILL OF THE STATE
LEGISLATURE. AND THE DIVISION OF
WORKERS COMPENSATION THAT-
PROMULGATED REGULATIONS TO
IMPLEMENT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE
A LOT OF THEIR NATIONAL PEER
REVIEWED MEDICAL STANDARDS THAT
ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE
INTERPRETERS WITH APPROPRIATE
CARE BECAUSE THERE'S A LONG
HISTORY OF INAPPROPRIATE HARMFUL
CARE BEING PROVIDED TO INJURED
WORKERS- TO THE BENEFIT OF SOME
A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF MEDICAL
PROVIDERS SO IT'S INTENDED TO
PROTECT. INJURED WORKERS WILL BE
CLEAR ABOUT THAT- AND IF THAT
WAS WHAT WAS HAPPENING-
CONSIDERING THAT THE BULK OF
YOUR DOCTORS ARE ACTUALLY
LICENSED IN CALIFORNIA WHAT I
WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IS A GREAT
NUMBER OF ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS
BEING TAKEN AGAINST THOSE YOU
ARE DOCTORS THAT ARE APPARENTLY
IMPLEMENTING. THE WILL OF
INSURERS WITH IMPUNITY. SO WITH
THAT BEING SAID I WOULD ACTUALLY
LIKE TO THINK THE AUTHOR AND THE
SPONSORS- FOR THE AMENDMENTS
THAT THEY TOOK COMING INTO THIS
COMMITTEE OF THE WORK THAT THE
COMMITTEE DID- IS WELL REMOVING
THE DUTY OF CARE PROVISION- IN
THE BILL IS EXTREMELY PROUD PLOT
PROBLEMATIC- AND WE REALLY DO
APPRECIATE- BEING HEARD AND THAT
SORT OF DIALOGUE THAT OCCURRED
THERE. A SECOND WE DO REMAIN
OPPOSED TO THE REMAINING
PROVISION THE BILL MOSTLY
BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT MAKES
SENSE IN THE BROADER CONTEXT OF
THE WORKERS COMPENSATION SYSTEM-
BEEN KNOCKING A BELIEVER THE
POINT. BRIEFLY WE UNDERSTAND
THAT THE APPROACH BEING TAKEN-
THAT'S THE SMALLER PIECE BASED
ON THE PRIOR VETOES AND I THINK
WE APPRECIATE- THAT IS THE SORT
OF STRATEGY AND APPROACH. TO
DEALING WITH THE ISSUE. BUT IT'S
SORT OF INESCAPABLE THAT THIS
BILL DOES HAVE A VERY STRANGE
PARADIGM WHERE YOU'VE GOT SORT
OF ONE DOCTOR IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THE U. R. DR-
THAT HAS TO BE CALIFORNIA
LICENSE THE TREATING PHYSICIAN
MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE
OTHER PROVIDERS WOULDN'T
NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE
CALIFORNIA LICENSED. THE IMR DR
THAT IS REVIEWING THE U. ARE TO
SIT- DOCTORS DECISIONS WOULD
NEED TO BE CALIFORNIA LICENSES
JUST THAT ONE DOCTOR- IN THE
MIDDLE WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT
MAKES A TON OF SENSE IN A
BROADER POLICY PERSPECTIVE AND
FOR THOSE REASONS WERE OPPOSED
TO THE BILL. THANK YOU SECOND
WITNESS MARC SEVEN WITH
AMERIPRISE BODY CASUALLY
INSURANCE THOSE ASIAN. I THINK
THIS IS A ALMOST AN INTIMIDATION
FACTOR FOR YOU OUR DOCTORS- BY
THREATENING THEM WITH MEDICAL
BOARD- YOU KNOW WE GET WE
THERE'S AN OLD SAYING ON COURT
CASES THAT BACK FACTS MAKE IT
BAD WALKING. THE CASE THERE TALK
ABOUT WAS A BAD CASE- THERE WAS
REFERENCE EIGHT REPUTATION. I
THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO BE AWARE
OF IS THAT YOU KNOW AS JASON
SAID MOST OF YOUR DOCTORS ARE IN
FACT ACTUALLY LICENSE IN
CALIFORNIA WHEN THEY'RE NOT.
IT'S OFTEN BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND
THE SPECIALTIES. IN TERMS OF THE
SMALL GROUP THIS ONLY APPLIES TO
PRIVATE INSURANCE WITH THAT 70%
OF THE MARKET. YOU'RE NOT REALLY
HITTING THE PRIVATE THE SMALL
GROUP. DRAWS A CREATIVE AND
EQUITIES TO WHERE. YOU ARE
DOCTORS UNDER ONE SYSTEM CAN BE
THREATENED WITH MEDICAL BOARD.
CHALLENGES AND- DOCTORS AND THE
OTHER CAT. WE THINK THAT'S
UNFAIR- WE ARE LET'S GO TO SOME
FACT 80% OF THE YOUR DECISIONS
ARE HELD- THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
WHEN YOU GO TO I AM ARE WHICH IS
THE PROCESS THAT THE LEGISLATURE
PUT IN TO DEAL WITH THESE
DISPUTES. 91% OF THOSE CASES ARE
UP HEALTH THE SYSTEM IS WORKING
LET'S NOT TAKE A WITH IT THANK
YOU. THANK YOU FOR ANY
ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. RESTATE YOUR NAY
ORGANIZATION AND POSITION. I
DON'T CARE MEMBERS JOHN NORWOOD
ON BEHALF OF ZENITH. INSURANCE
COMPANY OR POST THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING MISTER CHAIR CHRIS
MCKINLEY ON BEHALF THE
ASSOCIATION OF CLAIMS
PROFESSIONALS AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. JOHN KENNEDY WITH A
RURAL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES OF
CALIFORNIA IN OPPOSITION. SEEING
OTHER WITNESSES I TURN IT OVER
TO THE COMMITTEE ANY QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS. YES MR GRAYSON.
THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR JUST.
REAL QUICK DO WE HAVE DATA- THAT
SHOWS HOW MANY CASES CURRENTLY
ARE BEING HEARD. BY ANALYZE OR-
BY PHYSICIANS OUTSIDE OF THE
STATE. I MAY HAVE MISSED THAT IN
YOUR TESTIMONY ARE YOU DIDN'T
MISS IT WASN'T THERE. ARE NO I
DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY.
DATA THAT TELLS US HOW OFTEN A-
NINE CALIFORNIA LICENSE
PHYSICIAN. INTERACTS BUT THE
SUPREME COURT WAS CAUGHT IN A
SITUATION WHERE IT WAS VERY
CLEAR THAT THAT WAS THE CASE AND
THEY HAD NO RECORD THEY THEY
COULDN'T DO WHAT THEY MIGHT HAVE
WANTED TO DO OTHERWISE. OKAY AND
THEN ALSO- ADDITIONAL QUESTION
SORT OF TOUCHED ON OUR ADDRESS
OF WHAT IS THE THOUGHT BEHIND
MAKING THIS PARTICULAR- AND I.
COMING INTO THE MEETING TODAY
SPORTING BUT I JUST WANNA.
CLARIFY WHAT'S UP WHAT'S THE
THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND MAKING TO
YOU- THE UTILIZATION REVIEW
POSITION- LICENSED WITH THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA BUT THE AND-
INDEPENDENT- MEDICAL REVIEW NOT
LICENSED. IT LET ME SAY
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT IT SEEMS TO
ME THAT THAT'S ALL THE MORE
REASON YOU KNOW FOR THIS BILL TO
GO FORWARD I MEAN IF WE AS THE
OPPOSITION STATED WE KNOW THEY
SEEM TO KNOW. THAT THEY'RE USING
OUT OF STATE DOCTORS WERE NOT
ACCOUNTABLE TO CALIFORNIA
MEDICAL PORT TO MAKE TREATMENT
RECOMMENDATIONS THEY'RE NOT
USING THEM BUT- PATIENTS ARE
CLAIMANTS ARE- THAT. MAY OR MAY
NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE THE
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD- SO WHY
NOT MAKE SURE THAT THE ON THE
UTILIZATION REVIEW THAT'S BEING
REVIEWED- YOU KNOW BY SOMEBODY-
BY CALIFORNIA DOCTOR WHO IS
ACCOUNTABLE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL
BOARD. IT REALLY IS AN
ACCOUNTABILITY BILL. THANK YOU
CENTER. ANYONE ELSE. SEE NONE
CENTER WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE.
BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT
SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY. CLOSE
IF YOU WILL TO THE COMMITTEE
STAFF ON THE ANALYSIS- YOU KNOW
ONE OF THE POINTS OPPOSITION. IT
ATTEMPTED TO MAKE I THINK- AT
LEAST- TO COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
THE GOT THE GOT COMMITTEE STUFF
SOMEHOW WAS- THAT. THE IN THE
UTILIZATION REVIEW PROCESS WHICH
WERE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE AT
ALL- THERE'S NO CONCERN OR
QUESTION HERE ABOUT. THIS THE
FRAMEWORK OF UTILIZATION REVIEW-
THAT. THE POSITIONS IN
PSYCHOLOGISTS ARE ARE NOT WHO
ARE REVIEWED OR NOT PROVIDING
TREATMENT TO AN INJURED WORKER
THEY'RE JUST PROVIDING SOME KIND
OF A- AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW-
BUT IF YOU READ A LITTLE FURTHER
IN THE ANALYSIS WHICH I'M SURE-
MOST MEMBERS OF THEIR STAFFS
DID. CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD
YOU KNOW TURNS RIGHT AROUND AND
SAYS. IT WRONG- THE FACT THE
MATTER IS THE- DEAD UTILIZATION
REVIEWS DIRECTLY RELATED THE
PRACTICE OF MEDICINE IS INTENDED
TO HELP DETERMINE WHETHER
WHETHER PROPOSED TREATMENT PLAN
IS MEDICALLY NECESSARY FOR AN
INJURED CALIFORNIA WORKER- AT.
IN CLEARLY. I AM. JADIDA DR THE
LAW I TOLD MY KIDS SOMETIMES
WITH THE OTHER ELEMENTS MEDICAL-
I CAN'T HELP YOU WITH THAT IF
YOU'VE GOT A LEGAL QUESTION I
CAN HELP YOU- BUT- I WOULDN'T
EVEN BEGIN TO- PUT MYSELF IN THE
POSITION OF MAKING. YOU A
UTILIZATION REVIEW DECISION ON-
BETTER TREATMENT PLAN THAT'S
CONSIDERED MEDICALLY NECESSARY
BY AN ACTUAL EMPTY. OR- WELL
LET'S JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT
POINT BY AN ACTUAL DOCTOR SO- I
WANT TO POINT THAT OUT AND I
WANT TO THANK. THE COMMITTEE
STAFF WORK FOR DRAWING NOW THAT
DISTINCTION AT LEAST. MAKING
SURE IT WAS HERE FOR EVERYBODY
TO SEE AND SEE WHAT THE
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD IS
SAYING ABOUT THAT- I DO BELIEVE
THAT WE NEED COMPETENCY AND
ACCOUNTABILITY OF TISSUE
UTILIZATION REVIEW STAGE THAT'S
ALL THE BILL IS TRYING TO DO- IN
WITH THAT IT WOULD RESPECTFULLY
ASK YOUR RIVAL. THANK YOU
SENATOR IT'S GONNA TAKE A QUICK
PAUSE HERE AND ESTABLISH A
QUORUM AND- PLEASE GO AHEAD AND
CALL OKAY CALDERON. PRESENT
CALDERON HERE SALIH SALIH BERMAN
CERVANTES CERVANTES HERE CHEN
CHEN HERE VINCE FONG. GIPSON
GRAYSON GRAYSON HERE JONES
SAWYER JONES SAWYER HERE ORTEGA
ORTEGA HERE RODRIGUEZ SORIA.
SORIA HERE VALENCIA WOULD. GREAT
I DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON. SECOND
. SECOND THANK YOU CALL THE ROLL
PLEASE. FILE ITEM NUMBER THREE
SB SIX THREE SIX. MOTION IS DUE
PASSED APPROPRIATIONS CALDERON.
I CALDERON AYE SALIH SALIH NOW
BERMAN CERVANTES CERVANTES AYE
CHAN CHAN NOW VINCE FONG. GIPSON
GRAYSON GRAYSON I JONES SAWYER
JONES SAWYER I ORTEGA ORTEGA AYE
RODRIGUEZ SORIA. SORRY I
BALENCIAGA WOULD. OKAY NEXT
WE'RE GONNA TAKE UP SB SIX
THIRTY ONE WHICH IS ON CALL.
TWENTY TO ELECTION. THANK YOU
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. FILE I
NUMBER TWO AS SIX THE ONE MOTION
IS DUE PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
CALDERON. I CALDERON AYE
ASSAILING. SALIH NOT VOTING
BERMAN. CERVANTES CERVANTES AYE
CHAN. CHEN NOT VOTING VINCE FONG
GIPSON GRAYSON GRAYSON I JONES
SAWYER JONES SAWYER I ORTEGA
ORTEGA AYE RODRIGUEZ SORIA SORIA
I THE LANCIA WOULD. I BELIEVE
THE ROLE OPEN ON THAT ONE- NEXT
TO WE HAVE A MOTION ON SB THREE
NINETY ONE I CENTER BREAKS PAYER
. THANK YOU THANK YOU PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. FILE ITEM NUMBER
ONE SB THREE NINE ONE MOTION IS
DUE PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
CALDERON AYE CALDERON AYE SALIH
SALIH AYE BERMAN. CERVANTES
CERVANTES I'D CHAN CHAN I VINCE
FONG GIPSON GRAYSON GRAYSON I
JONES SAWYER JONES SAWYER I
ORTEGA OR TAKE A AYE RODRIGUEZ
SORIA SORIA I BALENCIAGA WOULD.
OKAY NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR
THE CONSENT CALENDAR PLEASE
RECORD THANK YOU PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. CONSENT CALENDAR FILE ITEM
NUMBER SIX SB NINE THREE ONE
GLAZER FILE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT SB
SEVEN FOUR THREE WHEN. FILE ITEM
NUMBER NINE SB FOUR SEVEN NINE
PADILLA. FILE ITEM NUMBER TEN SB
FIVE OH FIVE RUBIO. MOTION IS DO
YOU PASS. TO CONSENT CALENDAR.
CALDERON HI CALDERON AYE SALIH
AYE SALIH AYE BERMAN CERVANTES
SYRINGES AYE CHAN CHAN I VINCE
FONG. GIPSON GRAYSON GRAYSON AYE
JONES SAWYER JONES SAWYER I
ORTEGA ORTEGA AYE RODRIGUEZ
SORIA SORIA I THE LANCIA WOULD.
THANK YOU WILL LEAVE THE ROLE
OPEN I NEXT WE HAVE- SB FIVE TO
SIXTY THREE BY SENATOR DODD
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY SENATOR.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS.
TODAY PRESENTING S. B. TWO SIXTY
THREE PERTAINING TO ANNUITIES
AND CONSUMER PROTECTIONS SB TWO
SIXTY THREE WOULD ADOPT THE
TWENTY TWENTY UPDATES TO THE
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
INSURANCE COMMISSIONERS
SUITABILITY IN ANNUITY
TRANSACTIONS MODEL ACT. AS WELL
AS INCLUDE ADDITIONAL CONSUMER
PROTECTIONS. THE UPDATED MODEL
ACT WILL HELP CONSUMERS
UNDERSTAND THE ADVANTAGES OF THE
PRODUCTS THEY PURCHASE I
UNDERSTAND ANY CONFLICTS OF
INTEREST IN ASSURING THAT THE
SALE OF ANNUITY IS MADE IN THE
CONSUMER'S BEST INTEREST. BASED
ON FEEDBACK FROM STAKEHOLDERS
THE RECENT AMENDMENTS THAT
ENSURE THAT CONSUMERS INSURANCE
AND FINANCIAL OBJECTIVES ARE
APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED AND I'VE
BEEN WORKING WITH THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE THE
INSURANCE INDUSTRY INCLUDING
AGENTS AS WELL AS CONSUMER
GROUPS. TO ENSURE THIS BILL IS
EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE MICHAEL
MARTINEZ AND ANDREA TOTH FROM
THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
INSURANCE ARE HERE WITH ME IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. GOOD
MORNING CHAIR CALDERON THE
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MIKE
MARTINEZ SENIOR DEPUTY
COMMISSIONER HERE ON BEHALF. OF
INSURANCE COMMISSIONER RICARDO
LARA AND THE DEPARTMENT OF
INSURANCE WE'RE IN STRONG
SUPPORT THIS MEASURE
COMMISSIONER LOTTE IS THE PULSE
PROUD SPONSOR OF THIS BILL AND
WANT TO THANK THE SENATOR DODD
FOR HIS LEADERSHIP ON THIS
MEASURE AND SMALLEST WITH
COMMITTEE STAFF. IN BOTH HOUSES
AND BEING ABLE TO- WOULD
CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS MEASURE
AND AMENDMENTS. AND THE BILL
THAT WE HAVE HERE BEFORE YOUR
COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION.
MORE THAN THREE YEARS AGO THE
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
INSURANCE COMMISSIONERS VOTED TO
UPDATE ITS SUITABILITY IN
ANNUITY TRANSACTIONS MODEL IN
RESPONSE TO GREGIS ABUSES. AN
OVERLY AGGRESSIVE SALES TACTICS
TACTICS OCCURRING IN THE AT NEW
T. MARKET ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES. COMMISSIONER LOTTE IS A
VERY ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE NAACP
AND REPRESENTS THE STATE IN
WHICH THE MOST FIXED ANNUITIES
ARE SOLD. NATIONWIDE AND SO FOR
THE LAST FEW YEARS- DEPARTMENT
STAFF AND COMMISSIONER LOT I'VE
WORKED WITH SEVERAL OTHER STATE
REGULATORS AND CONSUMER
ADVOCATES. TO PUSH FOR AS HIGH
AS A CONSUMER PROTECTION
STANDARD AS POSSIBLE.
COMMISSIONER LOT ULTIMATELY
VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE UPDATED
ENHANCING MODEL LOG HERE TO-
PASSED BY THE NHC BECAUSE IT
CONTAINS NEW SIGNIFICANT
CONSUMER PROTECTIONS AND UT
TRANSACTIONS. ON TOP OF EXISTING
LAW INCLUDING EXISTING LAW HERE
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. THE
BILL YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY
SENATE BILL TWO SIX THREE. IS A
CONTINUED PRODUCT MORE THAN
NEARLY TWO DECADES OF NOW THREE
MAJOR ANNUITY SUITABILITY.
REFORMS SEEN IN THE STATE. EVEN
THIS ONGOING ACTIVITY AT THE NSC
BACK IN TWO THOUSAND THREE. IN
TWENTY TWELVE WHICH I HAD THE
HONOR TO STUFF THAT MEASURE BACK
IN THE DAY AND NOW HERE TODAY.
WITH SENATE BILLS 263% OF THE
FEDERAL DODD FRANK WALL STREET
REFORM AND CONSUMER PROTECTION
ACT FAILING TO ADOPT STANDARDS
AT LEAST AS STRONG AS THOSE IN
THE NAAC MODEL BY TWENTY TWENTY
FIVE. WILL RESULT IN YOUR
REGULATION WITH THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. AND THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY
WISH TO AVOID HEARING MR
CALIFORNIA BECAUSE INSURANCE BY
AND LARGE IS REGULATED AT THE
STATE LEVEL ACROSS THE NATION.
TO DATE THIRTY FOUR STATES HAVE
ADOPTED VERSIONS OF THIS MODEL
THEREBY AVOIDING FEDERAL JEWEL
REGULATION OF. TEXANO BY THOSE
TO PAY OF INSURANCE AND THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SB TWO SIX
THREE MOST NOTABLY REQUIRES ALL
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANNUITIES
MADE BY INSURANCE AGENTS AND
INSURANCE COMPANIES TO BE IN THE
BEST INTERESTS OF THE CONSUMER.
AND THAT THEY MAY NOT PLACE
THEIR FINANCIAL INTERESTS AHEAD
OF THE CONSUMERS INTEREST IN
MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION. THIS
FOR THIS REFORM IS ESSENTIAL IN
ORDER TO ENSURE INSURERS AND
LICENSED PRODUCERS. WHO SELL
ANNUITIES ACT IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF THE CONSUMER DURING
THE RECOMMENDATION. PURCHASE AND
REPLACEMENT OF AN IMMUNITY. AS
AN EXTENSION OF THAT AS
CONTAINED IN THE MODEL AND A
PROPOSED SB TWO SIXTY THREE.
INSURERS ARE REQUIRED AND THIS
IS IMPORTANT IN THE BILL WE ARE.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO ELIMINATE
ANY SALES CONTESTS SALES QUOTAS
PRIZES AND BONUSES. BASED ON THE
SALES OF SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES
WITHIN A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME
THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN
EXISTING LAW HERE IN CALIFORNIA
TODAY AND AS A MAJOR CONSUMER
PROTECTION THAT WE ARE. VERY
EXCITED TO HAVE HERE IN THIS
BILL. AND WE ARE DOING THAT IN
ORDER TO ENSURE THE CONSUMERS
BEST INTERESTS. AND HELP ADDRESS
SOME OF THE MOST EGREGIOUS IN
NUMEROUS INSURANCE ABUSES. AN
OVERLY AGGRESSIVE SALES TACTICS
SEEN OVER THE YEARS.
COMMISSIONER LATTA BELIEVES THAT
CALIFORNIA CAN. AND SHOULD DO
MORE TO STOP THE FINANCIAL PIECE
OF OUR SENIORS AND OTHER
VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS
ESPECIALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE
SALE COMMITTEES. THIS METHOD
MEASURES BEEN AMENDED
SIGNIFICANTLY THROUGHOUT THE
PROCESS WE WANT TO THANK ALL
STAKEHOLDERS. FOR A VERY VIBRANT
AND ROBUST CONVERSATION AROUND
THIS MEASURE AND ON BEHALF OF
COMMISSIONER AYE ASRIEL. HERE
TODAY THANK YOU. AND I HAVE HERE
WITH ME- AND YOUR TOTAL THROUGH
A- AND WITH THE- FIELD RATING
AND UNDERWRITING. ON THE TO HELP
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHE AND I
THANK YOU. IF WE HAVE ANY IT IS
SUPPORT IN THE ROOM. SCENE NINE
ARE TO HAVE ANY. WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION. IF SO PLEASE COME
FORWARD.
THE MORNING THEN SHARED MEMBERS
MY NAME IS ROBERT HER ALLEN THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
CONSUMER FEDERATION OF
CALIFORNIA- AND WE ARE PART OF A
FIVE- FIVE CONSUMER GROUPS THAT
HAVE AN OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED. A
POSITION ON THIS BILL- THOSE
FIVE GROUPS ARE US LIKE ACT- YOU
HEAR FROM IN A MOMENT UNITED
POLICY HOLDERS THE CENTER FOR
ECONOMIC JUSTICE AND THE
CONSUMER FEDERATION OF AMERICA-
I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT
FOR CENTER DODD IN FACT WE WERE
LITERALLY IN THIS ROOM TWENTY
FOUR HOURS AGO- SUPPORTING. A
BILL BY THE SENATOR AND THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL ON CONSUMER
PROTECTION IN THE JUNK AND IN
FREE SPACE SO WE'VE WORKED WITH
HIM ON OVER A WIDE RANGE OF
ISSUES THAT THIS EXPERIENCE TO
BE CANDID HAS BEEN A BIT
DIFFERENT- EVERY TIME THIS BILL
HAS GOTTEN AMENDED AFTER THE
MARCH SEVENTH VERSION WHICH WAS
A HIGH WATER MARK. THAT
PROTECTED CONSUMERS IN A
MEANINGFUL WAY IT'S GOTTEN
WORSE. SO THAT'S THREE IF I'M
NOT IF I'M CORRECT COUNTING
CORRECTLY SET OF AMENDMENTS THAT
HAVE WEAKENED THE BILL. THE
PROCESS HAS HAS NOT BEEN
EXEMPLARY AND I'M NOT GOING TO
SIT HERE AND COMPLAIN FOR. FIVE
MINUTES ABOUT THE PROCESS BUT IT
HAS NOT BEEN A TRUE STAKEHOLDER
PROCESS- PRIOR TO MY POSITION
HERE WITH CSC I SPENT ALMOST SIX
YEARS AS A DEPUTY INSURANCE
COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT
OF INSURANCE. SO I'VE BEEN TO
MORE ANY I SEE MEETINGS THAN I
CARE TO RECALL TO BE CANDID.
EVERY ROOM I'VE WALKED INTO THE
ANY I SEE FOR EVERY HUNDRED
PEOPLE IN THAT ROOM NINETY FIVE
OF THEM ARE EITHER. INSURANCE
COMPANY EMPLOYEES OR INSURANCE
INDUSTRY LOBBYISTS- AND THAT
DOMINATION OF ANY I SEE IS WHAT
LEADS TO WEAKENING I SEE MODELS
WHICH THEN ARE IMPLEMENTED BY A
NUMBER OF OTHER STATES FIRST-
AND THEN THEY COME CALIFORNIANS
SAY- THIS IS A GREAT STANDARD WE
THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. I SHOULD
NOTE THAT BEFORE- AS MISTER
MARTINEZ POINTED OUT BEFORE
COMMISSIONER LOT OF VOTED FOR
IT. HE SPOKE OUT AND HIS
DEPARTMENT SPOKE OUT AGAINST THE
VERY ANY I SEE MODEL THAT'S
REFLECTED IN THIS BILL SAYING IT
WAS TOO WEAK AND NOT PROTECTIVE
ENOUGH OF CONSUMERS. THERE TO
PASS HERE THERE'S THE ANY I SEE
PATH WHICH IS WHAT THE INSURANCE
INDUSTRY WANTS YOU TO DO THEY
HAD A HEAVY INFLUENCE ON THE IN
THE R. C. MODEL. THAT'S THAT
MAKES UP THE CORE OF THIS BILL
OR THERE'S ANOTHER PATH NOT
MENTIONED ANYWHERE- IN THE
ANALYSIS OR OR ANYWHERE ELSE
THAT'S THE NEW YORK PAF. THE NEW
YORK PATH REGULATION ONE EIGHTY
SEVEN IS MUCH MORE CONSUMER
PROTECTIVE- INDUSTRY IS ALWAYS
GOING TO CHOOSE THE PATH OF LESS
CONSUMER PROTECTION BUT
CALIFORNIA HAS HISTORICALLY
CHOSEN THE PATH OF MORE CONSUMER
PROTECTION. AND YOU OUGHT TO DO
SO HERE. THE DEPARTMENT HAS
ALMOST FIVE THOUSAND COMPLAINTS
ON THE LIFE INSURANCE INDUSTRY
OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS. THE
DEPARTMENT HAS ALMOST EIGHT
HUNDRED COMPLAINTS IN THE
ANNUITIES SECTOR OVER THE PAST
FIVE YEARS. THIS BILL WILL
MISLEAD CONSUMERS IT ACTUALLY IN
AT LEAST ONE PLACE MAKES CURRENT
LAW WEAKER. AND IT IS WEAKER
THAN ANY I SEE IN AT LEAST A
COUPLE PLACES- NOTHING HAS TO
HAPPEN THIS YEAR. THE STANDARD
IS A ONE ONE TWENTY FIVE. LET'S
PAUSE THIS GET THIS RIGHT HAVE A
TRUE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS WE
RESPECTFULLY URGE A NO VOTE.
MORNING MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
I'M BRIAN BROSNAHAN. EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE LIFE INSURANCE
CONSUMER ADVOCACY CENTER OR LIKE
HECK. ALTHOUGH SB TWO SIXTY
THREE STARTED OUT AS A STRONG
CONSUMER PROTECTION BILL.
INDUSTRY AMENDMENTS HAVE
WEAKENED THE BILL TO THE POINT
WHERE LIKE CAC AND OUR COALITION
OF CONSUMER GROUPS ARE FORCED TO
OPPOSE IT. GIVEN CALIFORNIA'S
STRONG RECORD UP TO NOW ON
CONSUMER PROTECTION. THIS BILL
IS FRANKLY AN EMBARRASSMENT. IT
WORKS OF FRAUD ON CONSUMERS IN
TWO IMPORTANT WAYS FIRST IT
MISLEADS CONSUMERS INTO
THINKING. THE AGENT IS REQUIRED
TO ACT IN THE CONSUMER'S BEST
INTEREST. ALTHOUGH THE MARCH
SEVEN VERSION OF THE BILL.
REQUIRED THAT AGENTS CONSIDER
ONLY THE INTERESTS OF THE
CONSUMER IN MAKING A
RECOMMENDATION. THE CURRENT
VERSION ADOPTS THE ANY I SEE
MODEL REGULATION WHICH WAS
DRAFTED BY INDUSTRY TO ALLOW
AGENTS TO WEIGH THEIR OWN
INTERESTS AGAINST THE CONSUMER'S
INTEREST. LEAVING IT UP TO THE
AGENT TO DECIDE ON HOW TO DO
THIS. SECOND IT ALLOWS AGENTS TO
LIE TO CONSUMERS BY TELLING
CONSUMERS THAT THE AGENT IS
DISCLOSING. MATERIAL CONFLICTS
OF INTEREST ALTHOUGH THE BILL
REQUIRES DISCLOSURE OF AN
AGENT'S MATERIAL CONFLICTS OF
INTEREST WITH THE CONSUMER THE
BILL DEFINES MATERIAL CONFLICT
OF INTEREST TO EXCLUDE CASH AND
NON CASH COMPENSATION. THAT
WOULD EXEMPT 99% OF MATERIAL
CONFLICTS OF INTEREST FROM THE
SCOPE OF THE BILL. ABOUT THE
ONLY THING LEFT WOULD BE STOCK
OWNERSHIP IN THE INSURANCE
COMPANY. SO THAT WOULD NEED TO
BE DISCLOSED AS A CONFLICT BUT
NOT THE TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLAR
COMMISSION THAT THE AGENT COULD
EARN BY ADVANCE BY CONVINCING
THE CONSUMER TO BUY THE PRODUCT.
I SUBMIT IT'S POSITIVELY
ORWELLIAN TO DEFINE THE CONFLICT
THE WAY SO THE CONSUMERS THINK
THE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ARE
BEING DISCLOSED WHEN THEY ARE
NOT. AS MY COLLEAGUES POINTED
OUT YOU HAVE UNTIL TWENTY TWENTY
FIVE TO ADOPT. AND THAT'S NOT
IMPLEMENT BUT TO ADOPT.
LEGISLATION THAT TO- X. MEETS OR
EXCEEDS THAT IN A I SEE
MODERATE. TO CONCLUDE THE MARCH
SEVEN VERSION OF THE BILL
REFLECTS WHAT CD I THOUGHT WAS
BEST FOR CALIFORNIA. BUT THAT
HAS BEEN TURNED AROUND ONE
HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DEGREES IT'S
JUST GONE TOO FAR. I URGE YOU TO
SHOW THAT THE CALIFORNIA
LEGISLATURE IS NOT CONTROLLED BY
THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. I ASK
THAT YOU REJECT THIS BILL MAKE
IT TO YOUR BILL SO THAT WE CAN
COME BACK IN TWENTY TWENTY FOUR.
AND GET THIS RIGHT IN A TRUE
STAKEHOLDER. PROCESS THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. OKAY I'M GONNA BRING
IT BACK THE COMMITTEE CO. I'M
SORRY IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL.
IN THE ROOM. SCENE NINE OVER YOU
BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR
QUESTIONS. I DON'T THINK THE
AUTHOR AND COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE
THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER
LARA HE'S ELECTED AND
ACCOUNTABLE DIRECTLY TO THE
PEOPLE. SO I JUST FIND THE
ACCUSATIONS THAT HE'S WORKING
AGAINST CONSUMER INTERESTS TO BE
UNWARRANTED AND UNFAIR IF
ANYTHING I SPEAK A LOT WITH THE
INSURANCE INDUSTRY IN. THE
QUEUES OF BEING TOO HARSH. ARE
THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY SO I'VE
NEVER I'VE NEVER HEARD THEM SAY
HE'S TOO EASY ON THEM OR HE'S
YOU KNOW. HE'S IN BED WITH THEM
SO I JUST I DON'T THINK THE
OPPOSITION IS WARRANTED OR
WARFARE SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU
TO HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS
. OKAY A SENATOR DOC WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE. I YES WITH WITH
ALL DUE RESPECT I. I HAVE
WORKED- YEAH WOOD MISTER HOTEL
LOT IT THIS IS- YOU KNOW IT IS
BEEN A WORK IN PROGRESS WE'VE
HAD TO MAKE- THE- CERTAIN
AMENDMENTS IN ORDER TO. CREATE
THE BILL THAT WE HAVE WHICH IS
STRONGER THAN THE CURRENT AND I
ATE IT EXCUSE ME M. A. I. C.
MODEL I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT SOMEBODY ELSE NEXT YEAR THE
YEAR AFTER BEFORE TWENTY TWENTY
FIVE WANTS TO. PICK UP ON THIS
LEGISLATION BUT SOMETIMES AS I
THINK THE MEMBERS IN THE ROOM
NO. VERY CLEARLY- IF YOU FALL IN
LOVE WITH YOUR BILL. AND WANT TO
KEEP IT- YOU KNOW EXACTLY THE
WAY IT IS WHAT IT STARTS WHEN
YOU'VE GOT MEMBER COMPLAINTS.
ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC BILL-
SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T WORK VERY
WELL EITHER SO WHAT WE HAVE
BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE BEST I
THINK WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT
TIME WHICH DOES MOVE FORWARD IT
DOES PROTECT CONSUMERS. AND I'D
LIKE THAT THANK THE COMMITTEE
STAFF- IN THE CHAIR FOR A THEIR
HELP IN THIS PROCESS.
RESPECTFULLY THAT'S ROB THANK
YOU SENATOR- YOU KNOW I AND I
APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THAT HAS
BEEN SPENT. FROM WITH FROM ALL
STAKEHOLDERS WORKING ON THIS
BILL I KNOW WE'VE MET WITH ALL
THE STAKEHOLDERS AND- SO IF THIS
BILL DOES GO FORWARD I YOU KNOW.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE YOUR
CONVERSATIONS THANK YOU. THIS
CALL. OUR MOTION TO HAVE A
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AUTHORS.
GOOD MORNING CENTER TERRAZZO
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH MADAM CHAIR- GOOD
MORNING AND THE MEMBERS UP RIGHT
NOW OF FEDERAL LAW EXCLUDES OVER
ONE MILLION CALIFORNIANS FROM
UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS
WHEN THEY TEMPORARILY LOSE WORK
YET EMPLOYERS TAXES ON THE LABOR
OF UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS
CONTRIBUTE AN ESTIMATED THREE
HUNDRED TWO MILLION DOLLARS EACH
YEAR TO OUR UNEMPLOYMENT
INSURANCE SYSTEM EVEN THOUGH
THOSE SAME WORKERS NEVER SEE A
CENT OF THE BENEFITS THIS
DISPARITY HURTS EMPLOYERS AS
WELL AS THEIR THEIR EMPLOYEES
THAT MONEY IS SUPPOSED TO HELP
SUSTAIN INDUSTRIES AND HELP
WORKERS GET BACK TO WORK WHEN
THE JOBS BECOME AVAILABLE
WITHOUT UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS
OUR ECONOMY SUFFERS MISSED
MISSED PAYCHECKS SPIRAL INTO
MISSED RENT CHECKS MISSED CAR
PAYMENTS. AND THE INABILITY TO
PROVIDE FOOD FOR FAMILIES WE ARE
MODELING THIS ON SUCCESSFUL
PROGRAMS IN NEW YORK AND
COLORADO. THESE BENEFITS ARE
GOOD FOR FAMILIES THEY HELP
ENSURE FOOD ON THE TABLE AND A
ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS- HERE WITH
ME TODAY. IS TO TESTIFY IN
SUPPORT OF THE BILL OR UNDER
THE- OF THE SCOTT WITH THE
CALIFORNIA BERGEN POLICY CENTER
AND IRENE THAT BUT I EAT QUAN
WOULD LEAD TO THIS CAMPESINOS.
ALL WITH HIM I'M SORRY OKAY WITH
THE SYSTEM IS A NUMBER. THEY
DON'T THOSE WE WENT THE MENON IS
HE NHÀ. THE OIL YOU SECOND BUT
THE TO MEET THE ONE ON ALSO
LOCAL MORE HAS WHAT I SINCE SEE
ON GET THAT ABOUT GOING AND GOT
PODIUM WILL THEY CLOSE WITH THE
MOST I BETTER THAN BEING. ONE
OKAY GAME FOR INTEL THEM WHAT
YOU'RE RATE THOSE THAT ABOUT THE
A- MIENTRAS GOING LOCAL NOT
RESPOND SEVENTY THAT THIS MY
MOTHER LISTENING AS- MR FOR
MEDIA THEY- OF THE SOIL THOSE
YEAH. GOING TO SAY YOU UP BUT I
AND LEAD US A LAND THE ONE PASS
ON BECAUSE WHAT OTHER MOST OF
DON'T GO MEANS GEORGE HAS. IN ON
THIS YEAR AND IS NOW GIVE THEM A
ENDED UP A WHOLE IS ONE THAT
I'VE IT WOULD BE THAT.
ONLY THAT IT THEN IT CAN BE A
BIT OF A HOST GOES THANK THEM
THERE IS WE DO FOR. IS THAT A IS
BETTER YOU ALMOST A WILL IT
AVENUE ESMO SUBWAYS BELIEVE THAT
THE END ALL THE OF THE IS GOING
AND THEY- IS COMBINED OF. FORMER
PRODUCT A LOT HE SAID YOU'RE ON
THE THAT IS C. IF THE LEMON AND
THEN FOR MY LOVE IT WHAT'S THE
END OF IT IS YOU HAVE DONE A
SOON AS ALL BY. MEET BUT UP BUT
A DEALER GONNA GO WHEN EITHER.
THEM BEING ABLE THE THEM WILL AT
MY LIKE I'M YEAH THEY.
THE BENEFITS OF THIS EMPLOYER
WILL ALSO KNOWN WENT BY SO THEY
KNOW ABOUT US IT WOULD ADDRESS
THAT IT REMIND THEM BEING IS
WHEN I'M ON THAT ARE PERSON
ENOUGH FOR IS THE LEVEL. THIS IS
DAN AND MR ON THE WHAT FOR WHAT
I'VE DONE TO BUT UP YET IS A OF
THOSE TO SEE A THE BUT AS YOU.
YOU KNOW PROVIDE A TRANSLATION
SHOULD HELLO MY NAME IS VERGE.
I'D LIKE TO SHARE MY- NOT ONLY
AS AN AS AN WORKER WHO HAS WERE
IN THE FOR AND WAREHOUSES FOR
THE LAST FEW YEARS LOS AS A
WOMAN WHO HAS FAITH MANY. WERE
DAY IN NIGHT WHILE THE PHILLY
RESPONSE OF BEING A MOTHER OF
TWO SMALL CHILDREN. OUR FAMILY
TO PAY ON TO. AND WE DO A IS NOT
TO GET A- WHEN THINGS ARE OUT OF
OUR CONTROL SUCH AS FIRES RAINS
AND FLOODS WE ARE LEFT WITHOUT A
JOB AND WITHOUT ANY SAFETY NET.
FOR MANY WORKERS NOT BEING ABLE
TO DEPEND ON UNEMPLOYMENT
BENEFITS MEANS NOT BEING ABLE TO
PAY FOR HOUSING AND FOOD. I'VE
SEEN EMPLOYER PROVIDED HOUSING
THAT IS NOT A LIVABLE
CONDITIONS. ALL OF THIS IMPACTS
THE MENTAL HEALTH OF OUR
COMMUNITY. CONSTANTLY HAVING TO
CHANGE JOBS HAS BEEN VERY
DIFFICULT FOR ME. THIS KIND OF
DESPERATION MAKES US VULNERABLE
AND HAS EVEN PUT US IN DANGER
DEPENDING ON EMPLOYERS WHO ARE
ABUSIVE TOWARDS ME AND MY
COWORKERS. I AM PART OF THE LEE
THAT IS CAMPESINOS ORGANIZATION
AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP
INFORMED OF RESOURCES AND AT THE
SAME TIME. RECEIVE DONATIONS OF
CLOTHING AND FOOD TO SHARE WITH
THE COMMUNITY. I'VE ALSO BEEN A
PART OF THE SAFETY NET FOR ALL
CAMPAIGN FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.
WE OFTEN HEAR OF CONCERN THAT
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FARMWORKERS
IN THE STATE OR COUNTRY. BUT IN
REALITY THERE ARE AND WE ARE
JUST TREATED AS DISPENSABLE. MY
NAME IS DESERVED AND BENEFITS IS
NOT ONLY A DIGNIFIED STEP
TOWARDS ENSURING OUR HUMAN
RIGHTS. IS ALSO A WAY TO
PRESERVE THE WORK FORCE THAT
STANDS ARE CON ME. PLEASE DO
WHAT YOU CAN TO SUPPORT SB TWO
TWO SEVEN THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
WANT TO MY TESTIMONY. THIRTY
THANK YOU- GOOD MORNING CHAIR
MEMBERS THE COMMITTEE. MANY IS
INTERIM OF THE GUY AND I THE
SENIOR. ADVOCATE THE CAL
IMMIGRANT. SO A PROUD MEMBER OF
SAFETY NET ALL COLORS.
CALIFORNIA'S HOW TO ONE ONE. AND
WORKERS WHO CONTRIBUTE THREE
POINT SEVEN BILLION AND STATE
AND LOCAL TAXES ANNUALLY.
ADDITIONALLY THROUGH EMPLOYER
TAXES ON THEIR LABOR
UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS IN
CALIFORNIA CONTRIBUTE OVER THREE
HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS TO THE
UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE SYSTEM
EVERY YEAR. YET THEY NEVER SEE A
CENT OF UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS
WHEN THEY TEMPORARILY LOSE WORK
SIMPLY DUE TO THEIR IMMIGRATION
STATUS. UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS
ARE ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE
ECONOMIC STABILIZERS DURING
TIMES OF CRISIS AND DOWNTURN.
AND YET DURING THE PANDEMIC AND
NOW WITH THE STORMS- THE
EXCLUSION FROM UNEMPLOYMENT
BENEFITS HAS FORCED CALIFORNIA'S
UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS AND THEIR
FAMILIES INTO STATE FINANCIAL
HARDSHIP. THE DISPARITY IN OUR
UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE SYSTEM
HURTS EMPLOYERS AS WELL AS
WORKERS. UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS
ARE DESIGNED TO HELP SUSTAIN
INDUSTRIES AND THE ECONOMY.
HELPING CALIFORNIANS GET BACK TO
WORK WHEN JOBS BECOME AVAILABLE
AGAIN. GIVEN CALIFORNIA'S
UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS ARE AN
ELIGIBLE FOR UNEMPLOYMENT
INSURANCE DUE TO FEDERAL
RESTRICTIONS. SB TWO TWO SEVEN
WOULD CREATE A SEPARATE STATE
FUNDED EXCLUDED WORKERS PROGRAM
WHICH WOULD PROVIDE UNDOCUMENTED
WORKERS WITH UP TO THREE HUNDRED
DOLLARS PER WEEK. FOR UP TO
TWENTY WEEKS OF AN UNEMPLOYMENT.
THIS AMOUNT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT
UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS WOULD
RECEIVE IF THEY WERE ELIGIBLE
FOR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE. I
WOULD GO RIGHT BACK INTO LOCAL
ECONOMIES TO SEE AND
COMMUNITIES. ON THE PROGRAM AS A
SENATOR STATED HAS BEEN MODELED
AFTER PROVEN SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS
IN OTHER STATES. THANK YOU KNOW
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU TO A ANY
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT THE ROOM.
NICOLE ON BEHALF OF THE CHIU
PARTNERSHIP IN SUPPORT.
MELISSA'S AGAIN ON BEHALF OF THE
PESTICIDE ACTION NETWORK IN
SUPPORT. CRIPPLES FROM BEHALF OF
QUALITY CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT.
ERICA'S THERE MENYAMBUT HALF OF
THE CENTER FOR WORKERS RIGHTS IN
THE SAFETY NET FOR ALL COALITION
IN SUPPORT. MITCH SNIDER WITH
THE CALIFORNIA LABOR FEDERATION
ALSO IN SUPPORT. MARGARETTA
REPRESENTED THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN
SUPPORT. BUT THEY ARE WORKING
HOWEVER THE CALIFORNIA MAGICIAN
POLICY CENTER ON BEHALF OF GRACE
AND CHILD POVERTY LEGAL AID AT
WORK AND OPTIONAL EMPLOYMENT LAW
PROJECT IN SUPPORT. CHECK IN. WE
HAVE ANY OP TO THIS BILL. SCENE
NINE DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
FROM THE COMMITTEE. FOR COMMENT
. THANK YOU CHAIRED I WANT TO
THANK SENATOR DO IT ALSO FOR
BRINGING THIS CRITICAL OF PIECE
OF LEGISLATION AS SOMEONE THAT
REPRESENTS THE DISTRICT THAT-
MOST RECENTLY WAS IMPACTED BY.
THE ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS AND FOLKS
HAVING TO BE- YOU KNOW EVACUATED
FOR WEEKS AT A TIME WITH NO JOBS
FOR. YOU KNOW MORE THAN SIX
WEEKS- FAMILIES WERE DESPERATE
AND IN MY DISTRICT I MET WITH
MANY OF THE FAMILIES THAT WERE
EVEN JUST ASKING OUR OFFICE FOR.
LAUNDRY DETERGENT CUP OF NOODLES
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE BET
BASIC NECESSITIES AS A RESULT
EVEN THOUGH THAT THEY WORK AND
ARE CENTRAL VALLEY- FEEDING NOT
JUST ALL OF US BUT OUR ENTIRE
NATION AND I THINK THAT THIS IS-
THIS IS A GREAT EFFORT TO CREATE
A SAFETY NET FOR WORKERS THESE
ARE WORKING PEOPLE- PEOPLE ARE
NOT ASKING FOR A HANDOUT THEY'RE
ASKING FOR- SUPPORT. SO THAT
THEY CAN CONTINUE TO STAY IN
THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES IS NOT BE
DISPLACED SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE
ABLE TO GO BACK TO WORK THEY CAN
GET BACK TO WORK I KNOW THAT
BECAUSE OF THE DAUGHTER OF.
IMMIGRANTS AND I REMEMBER WHEN
MY PARENTS WERE UNDOCUMENTED
DAIS EXPERIENCE SOME OF THE SAME
CHALLENGES AND SO I HATE TO SEE
THE KIDS IN MY DISTRICT HAVING
TO BE IMPACTED AS A RESULT OF
LOSS OF WORK. AND SO THE LEAST
THAT WE COULD DO IS CREATE A
SAFETY NET THAT WILL HELP THEM
CONTINUE IN SUPPORT THEIR KIDS
THANK YOU AND I WILL BE
SUPPORTED TODAY. TEMAS ORTEGA'S
TEACHER. GO AHEAD. A I WANT TO
THANK THE DE. AND THAT WE- WERE
IS GUYS PUT OF IT NOISE AT STUDY
A- YOU KNOW INTRODUCED A-
RESOLUTION ON MONDAY. I HAVE TO
THANK THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT
IMMIGRANTS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO
THIS COUNTRY. AS AN IMMIGRANT
MYSELF IT WAS MY PARENTS
AMERICAN DREAM THAT I'D BE HERE
ONE DAY. AND THAT IT WAS BECAUSE
OF THEIR HARD WORK AND
DEDICATION THAT MANY OTHER
IMMIGRANTS ARE ABLE TO DO THE
SAME THING. HOWEVER WHILE WE AT
YOU KNOW HAVE PASSED
RESOLUTIONS. AND CALL YOU HEROES
. AND CALL YOU ESSENTIAL. WE DID
NOT PROVIDE THE ESSENTIAL BASIC
NEEDS THAT ARE NEEDED WHEN YOU
NEED THAT THE MOST- CIVIL I AM.
EXCITED AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE
THIS BILL- BECAUSE IT'S TIME
THAT WE GIVE YOU A LOOK. BACK AT
WE'LL JUST CALL YOU ESSENTIAL WE
ACTUALLY DELIVER ESSENTIAL GOODS
FOR YOU. THANK YOU- YEAH I HAVE
SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BILLING
FOR SOMEONE THANK THE WITNESSES
FOR BEING HERE AND- YOU KNOW
THESE ISSUES ARE NOT YOUR FAULT
I MEAN THIS IS THE PRODUCT OF A
BROKEN SYSTEM A SYSTEM IN WHICH
WE- ALLOW MILLIONS OF
UNDOCUMENTED. IMMIGRANTS TO COME
THROUGH AN OPEN BORDER AND THEN
YOUR PLACE IN AN IMPOSSIBLE
SITUATION SO THIS IS NO FAULT OF
YOUR OWN- BUT THERE ARE SOME
LOGISTICAL CONCERNS WITH THIS
UNEMPLOYMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE. LOSE THEIR
JOBS WITHOUT FAULT. BUT THE WAY
THE BILL'S WRITTEN IT SAYS THAT
YOU ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO
CONTACT THE EMPLOYER TO VERIFY
ANYTHING WHAT THE CAUSE OF-
THEIR TERMINATION WAS OR WHETHER
THEY WERE LAID OFF WHETHER THEY
WERE FIRED YOU DON'T GET
UNEMPLOYMENT IF YOU'RE-
TERMINATED FOR CAUSE. AND SO I
JUST WANT TO READ A QUICK
STATEMENT FROM THE GOVERNOR WHEN
THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY VETOED- AND
I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE
PAYING INTO THE SYSTEM BUT WE DO
HAVE OTHER MECHANISMS IN PLACE
FOR THEM TO GET BENEFITS- AND
GET THE TAX MONEY THEY PAID IT.
ON THE GOVERNOR SAID
CALIFORNIA'S TAKING CRITICAL
ACTIONS TO SUPPORT INCLUSION AND
OPPORTUNITY FOR UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS. AND MIXED STATUS
FAMILIES. CALIFORNIA MADE
HISTORIC INVESTMENTS TO ENSURE
MORE UNDOCUMENTED CALIFORNIA'S
HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE. FOOD
ASSISTANCE. AND TO PROVIDE FOR
INFLATION RELIEF. THE BILL NEEDS
FOR THE WORK TO ADDRESS
OPERATIONAL ISSUES. FISCAL
CONCERNS AND DEDICATED FUNDING
SOURCES. THIS BILL WOULD COST
SIX HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. WE
HAVE A DEFICIT IN THE EDT FIND
OF NINETEEN BILLION WHICH SMALL
BUSINESSES. ARE GOING TO BE
PAYING FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS-
SO WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THE
GOVERNOR'S CONCERNS ABOUT. THE
OPERATIONAL. ISSUES AND THE COST
OF THE BILL. YES- FOR ONE WE'RE
WORKING WITH THE GOVERNOR'S
OFFICE- TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF
OPERATIONALIZE SCENE AND- SO
THAT'S- WHERE WE'RE- INTENT TO
ADDRESS. EVERY ONE OF THOSE
ISSUES. THE MAIN THING FOR THIS
BILL IS THAT WE WANTED TO BE
CLEAR THAT THOSE WORKERS SHOULD.
BENEFIT FROM A SAFETY NET THE
WAY THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES WE
HAVE TO SET IT UP DIFFERENTLY.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT THROUGH
THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM BECAUSE
OF THE FEDERAL DOLLARS
CONNECTION BUT WE SHOULD
ESTABLISH THAT IN CALIFORNIA
THOSE PEOPLE THOSE MEN AND WOMEN
WILL BE ELIGIBLE. FOR SOME FORM
OF A SAFETY NET- AGAIN THE
DETAILS WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK
WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE ON
THAT BUT HOW DO WE PREVENT FRAUD
IF YOU CAN'T IF YOU CAN'T VERIFY
INFORMATION YOU CAN CONTACT THE
EMPLOYER WE GAVE OUT THIRTY
BILLION AND FRAUD DURING THE
PANDEMIC FOR LACK OF.
DOCUMENTATION AND CHECKS HOW DO
WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROGRAM
DOESN'T INVITE MORE FRAUGHT.
YEAH WELL. WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING
FRAUD OF COURSE- AND THERE WILL
BE AWAY WE HAVE DONE THIS ON UP
WITH OTHER PROGRAMS- AND- WE'VE
DONE IT WITH OTHER PROGRAMS YOU
SLICE YOUR SPECIALLY DURING THE
PANDEMIC WE HAD SOME SPECIAL
FUNDING. THAT WENT TO PEOPLE
WORK ON A COULD NOT PROVE THEIR
IMMIGRATION STATUS. AND WE'LL
WE'LL FIND A WAY OF DOING THAT
WE'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF. OF
FRAUD HERE OF THE PURPOSE OF
THAT WAS TO KEEP SOME PRIVACY
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
OKAY THANK YOU THANK YOU. I'M
SORRY. YEAH I JUST WANTED TO
SHARE AS WELL THAT THE BILL DOES
INCLUDE- THIS POINT SYSTEM THAT
WE ESTABLISH TO TRY TO PREVENT
THE FRAUD- TO ESTABLISH PROOF OF
EMPLOYMENT SO THAT WOULD
INCLUDE- PAY STUBS- BANK
RECEIPTS- ARE CHECKING OF
RECEIPTS- TO PROVE. EMPLOYMENT
SO WE DO HAVE MECHANISMS IN
PLACE- WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL
WOULD HAVE TO EARN A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF POINTS BY- SO MANY
PROOF OF EMPLOYMENT TO QUALIFY
FOR THE PROGRAM. THANK YOU AND
SOME OF THE TORONTO. YES THANK
YOU I WANT TO OUR FIRST THANK
THE AUTHOR AND ALSO THANK GOD
THE WITNESS TESTIMONY TODAY AND
ALL THE SPONSORS OF THE BILL- AS
WE'VE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
ARE UNDOCUMENTED COMMUNITY AS
TRULY A BACKBONE TO CALIFORNIA'S
ECONOMY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THE
ASSISTANCE I TO THOSE THAT HAVE
BEEN EXCLUDED. AND WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE UP WITH
SEEN OUR MOST VULNERABLE
COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA AND SO I'M HAPPY TO
SEE THIS POLICY I TODAY OR WERE
WE CAN ACTUALLY- YOU KNOW MEAN
WHEN WE- MEAN WHAT WE SAY
THROUGH. ACTIONABLE ITEMS AND
THIS IS A PIECE OF POLICY THAT
I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT TODAY MOVE
FORWARD. THANK U. TO SENATOR
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE. JUST BY
- I'M SORRY. THIS IS A LATINO
CAUCUS A PRIORITY BILL I'M VERY
PROUD OF THAT- AND UP AGAIN TO
REPEAT THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE TO ADDRESS
OTHER ISSUES. AND I URGE YOU AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU SENATOR THIS IS
A POLICY COMMITTEE NOT A
PHYSICAL COMMITTEE AND- THIS
ENJOYS THAT I DO PASS
RECOMMENDATION PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. FILE ITEM NUMBER. IF TWO
TWO SEVEN MOTION IS DUE PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS CALDERON.
CALDERON AYE SALIH SALIH NOW.
BERMAN BERMAN I CERVANTES
CERVANTES AYE CHAN. CHAN NOW
VINCE FONG. VINCE FONG NOW
GIPSON. GIPSON AYE GRAYSON
REASON I JONES SAWYER JONES
SAWYER I ORTEGA. ORTEGA AYE
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BALENCIAGA. BALENCIAGA I WOULD.
WOULD I. THE CABLE GETS OUT
THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH
MEMBERS. I SENATOR LARRY-
WHENEVER YOU'RE READY PLEASE
COME UP 2% ON SB SIXTY THREE.
YOU AND WEBER. GOOD AVAIL OKAY.
THAT COULD. MADAM CHAIRMAN
REALLY SORRY SAN DOESN'T HAVE
THE- YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD. THE
SENATE DOES HAVE THE SAME RULES
ABOUT MOVING BILLS AND I
APOLOGIZE FOR THE MONTH OF OUR
HEARINGS AS A RESULT. ARE GATE
LET ME JUST SAY A FEW THINGS
GIVEN THE FACT THAT A MOTION HAS
BEEN MADE THIS IS SENATE BILL
SIX TWENTY THREE IT'S REGARDING
THE REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION WITH
REGARD TO PUBLIC SAFETY
EMPLOYEES INTO A BILL WAS SIGNED
IN TWENTY NINETEEN THAT DID THIS
THIS BILL EXTENDS IT WITH
COMMITMENTS. TO GET INFORMATION
TO DOCUMENT THIS IN THE NEXT FEW
WEEKS AND ARE WITH THE COMMITTEE
I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR WORKING
WITH US AND I COMMITTED A TO
REQUESTED TO COMMISSION ON
HEALTH AND SAFETY IN WORKERS
COMPENSATION UNDERTAKEN STUDY TO
PROVIDE DATA ON THE PRESUMPTION
BEFORE THE PROPOSED. A PROVISION
SUNSET IN IN TWENTY THIRTY TWO-
IT WAS THIS WAS PASSED THIS
COMMITTEE LAST YEAR WITH ANOTHER
OFFER WITH NO NO VOTES WAS
VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR BECAUSE
OF INFORMATION AND THAT'S WHY
I'M GRATEFUL. OF FOR THE
REQUESTED I'VE AGREED TO AND
THAT'S WHY WE ARE COMPILING
INFORMATION FROM THE-
INDIVIDUALS AFFECTED BY THIS.
AND SO- I HAVE WITH ME- OF TO-
WITNESSES BRIAN RICE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE CALIFORNIA
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS AND
SERENA WILLIAMS FROM THE PUBLIC
SAFETY HE WHO IS A PUBLIC SAFETY
DISPATCHER FROM. LOS ANGELES
COUNTY LOCAL TEN FOURTEEN AND AT
THE APPROPRIATE TIME. I WOULD
REQUEST AND I FELT. THANKS AND-
GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR IN
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY
NAME'S BRIAN RICE AND THE
PRESIDENT OF THE CALIFORNIA
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS AND
HAD THE HONOR OF REPRESENTING
NEARLY THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS AND
EMERGENCY SERVICES PERSONNEL
STATEWIDE. ALSO SERVE NERDY
NEARLY THIRTY YEARS AS A
FIREFIGHTER WITH THE SACRAMENTO
METROPOLITAN FIRE DEPARTMENT.
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF
FIRE SERVICE IS TAKING A HARD
LOOK AT THE PREVALENCE OF
POSTTRAUMATIC STRESS AND OTHER
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUES- IN OUR
RANKS IN THE JOB OF FIREFIGHTERS
DIFFICULT AND DANGEROUS. BUT FOR
FAR TOO LONG IN OUR CULTURE IN
THE FIREHOUSE YOU KNOW WHAT JUST
BEEN TOLD TO SUCK IT UP AND DO
THE JOB. BUT THANKS TO THE
COURAGE AND LEADERSHIP OF MY
BROTHERS AND SISTERS THROUGHOUT
CALIFORNIA THAT MESSAGES
CHANGING. FOR EXAMPLE IN TWO
THOUSAND SIXTEEN THE CALIFORNIA
FIREFIGHTER BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
TASK FORCE WAS CREATED THIS TASK
FORCES A JOINT LABOR MANAGEMENT
INITIATIVE COMMITTED TO MAKING
EMOTIONAL WELLNESS AND
POSTTRAUMATIC STRESS INJURIES A
HEALTH AND SAFETY PRIORITY IN
THE FIRE SERVICE. THE TASK FORCE
IS FOCUSED ON REDUCING THE
STIGMA SURROUNDING BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH ISSUES AND ESTABLISHING
TRAINING AND PEER SUPPORT TEAMS
WITHIN FIRE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS
THE STATE AND SO MUCH MORE.
HOWEVER WE CAN'T DO THIS WORK
ALONE WE NEED THE SUPPORT OF OUR
DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE TO
ENSURE THAT WHEN THINGS GO BAD.
MY MEMBERS AND FIREFIGHTERS
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA CAN ACCESS
THE HELP THAT THEY DESPERATELY
NEED IN ORDER TO GET BETTER AND
GET BACK TO WORK. THE WORKERS
COMPENSATION PRESUMPTIVE OF
POSTTRAUMATIC STRESS IN ACTED BY
S. B. FOUR EXCUSE ME FIVE FORTY
TWO IN TWO THOUSAND NINETEEN IS
LITERALLY- BEEN A LIFESAVER. I'M
GONNA FIREFIGHTERS IN CRISIS
LAST THING THEY NEED TO WORRY
ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY
HAVE ACCESS TO CARE OR THEY'RE
GOING TO BE. REJECTED ON THEIR
CLAIM THEY NEED TO GET INTO
TREATMENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND AS- AS IT AS SOON AS THEY
CAN TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF
THAT INJURY. IT'S CRITICALLY IN.
THAT THIS PRESUMPTION BE
EXTENDED IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT
ANY AND ALL FIREFIGHTERS WHO ARE
AFFECTED BY THIS JOB CAUSED
POSTTRAUMATIC STRESS OR ABLE TO
GET THE CARE THAT THEY NEED.
WITH ME TODAY AND I'M PROUD TO
SIT HERE WITH ONE OF MY
COLLEAGUE SERENA LEWIS SHE'S A
DISPATCHER FOR THE LOS ANGELES
COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT AND A
MEMBER OF THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY
FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL TEN FOURTEEN.
SHE WILL SPEAK ON THE DIFFICULTY
IN THE TAXING WORK PERFORMED BY
HER COLLEAGUES IN THE CRITICAL
IMPORTANCE OF PROVIDING. THOSE
NEEDED PROTECTIONS TO THESE
MEMBERS OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY
WORK FORCE AND SYSTEM. MY MEMBER
STAND UP TO ANSWER THE CALL
EVERY DAY IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR
COMMUNITY SAFE AND THEY ASK. FOR
YOUR YES VOTE ON SB SIX TWENTY
THREE AND I JUST AM HUMBLED TO
INTRODUCE- SERENA LEWIS TO SPEAK
TODAY TO YOU THANKS FOR. THANK
YOU PRESIDENT RICE- GOOD MORNING
TERROR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE MY NAME IS SERENA
LEWIS AND I HAVE BEEN. A PUBLIC
SAFETY DISPATCHER FOR THE LOS
ANGELES COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT
FOR SEVEN YEARS. AND A MEMBER OF
L. A. COUNTY. FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL
TEN FOURTEEN. I AM PROUD TO
SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF MY
COMMUNITY IN THIS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT ROLE. WHEN SOMEONE
CALLED NINE ONE ONE. THEY ARE
FRIGHTENED AND LOOKING FOR HELP
OFTEN LIFE THREATENING
CIRCUMSTANCES. AND IT IS MY JOB
TO WALKING THROUGH THE WORST
DAYS OF THEIR LIVES NOT. THEY
DON'T CALL NINE ONE ONE FOR THE
BEST DAY OF THEIR LIFE. KEEPING
THEM CALM WHILE ALSO GETTING THE
INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN
ORDER TO SEND THE APPROPRIATE
HELP. AND EVEN WHEN HELP IS ON
THE WAY I STAY ON THE LINE IN
PROVIDE COMFORT. WE STAY ON THE
LINE IN PROVIDE COMFORT AND
ASSISTANCE IN WHATEVER WAY WE
CAN. AS PRESIDENT PLUS YEAR. AS
PRESIDENT RICE JUST TESTIFIED
THE POSTER MATIC STRESS
PRESUMPTION HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT IN HELPING.
FIREFIGHTERS ACCESS TREATMENT
FOR THE INJURIES THEY'VE
RECEIVED ON THE JOB.
UNFORTUNATELY THE SAME CANNOT BE
SAID FOR DISPATCHERS WHO WORK
HAND IN HAND WITH THOSE
FIREFIGHTERS. MY COLLEAGUES AND
I ARE EXPOSED TO TRAUMA DALY
HEARING TRAGEDY DEATH AND
VIOLENCE AS PART OF OUR REGULAR
WORK. AS A FULLY TRAINED PEER
SUPPORTER NOT ONLY SERVING THE
PUBLIC BUT MY PEERS. I'VE SEEN
FIRST HAND WITH THE REGULAR
EXPOSURE TO THIS KIND OF STRESS
CAN DO TO. DISPATCHERS AND
FIREFIGHTERS AND THE IMPACT IT
CAN HAVE ON THEIR MENTAL HEALTH
. WE DO WHAT WE CAN. TO HELP
EACH OTHER AS WE HELP OUR
COMMUNITIES. BUT WE CANNOT DO
THIS ALONE AND WE ARE NOW ASKING
FOR YOUR HELP. I'VE HAD
THOUSANDS I'VE HAD. IN MY SEVEN
YEARS I'VE HAD THOUSANDS OF.
EXAMPLES OR STORIES THAT I CAN
SHARE WITH YOU- THERE'S
DEFINITELY A COUPLE THAT STICK
OUT. AND IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE
THEN- I HAVE HAD PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE WITH. HOW DRAMATIC
SOMETHING CAN BE OVER THE AT THE
END OF THE LINE AND YOU'RE
LITERALLY THE ONLY PERSON THAT
CAN HELP- I'VE HAD OUT A WIFE
CALLED AND- I HAD A WIFE CALL
WHO FOUND HER HUSBAND HANGING IN
THE GARAGE. AND I HAD TO I WAS
THE ONLY PERSON ON THE PHONE.
AND I HAD TO HELP HER. HE WAS
STILL. I'M SORRY HE WAS STILL
WARM SO WE HAD A CHANCE TO SAVE
HIM. SO I HAD TO HELP HER OR
WALK HER THROUGH. CUTTING HER
HUSBAND DOWN. HANGING AND THEN
TRY TO START CPR- I'VE BEEN ON
THE PHONE WITH. TWO FRIENDS THAT
JUST WENT OUT TO THE DESERT YOU
JUST GO HAVE FUN AND SHOOT GUNS
AND- THEY- LAWLER SAID IN ONE OF
THE FRIENDS JUST SHOT HIMSELF IN
THE HEAD. AND I HAD TO STAY ON
THE PHONE FOR FORTY MINUTES
WHILE WE AREN'T WE SEND OUR GUYS
AND- TO GO HELP BUT I NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT THEIR STAGE.
BECAUSE WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW
YOU KNOW I'M JUST ON THE PHONE
SO I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW THE
CIRCUMSTANCES SO WE WANT TO KEEP
THEM SAFE AS WELL. I HAD TO WALK
THIS FRIEND. WHOSE FRIEND WAS
LYING ON THE FLOOR- WALK HIM
THROUGH CPR BECAUSE HE WAS STILL
BREATHING- AND JUST TRY TO. HELP
AS MUCH AS THEY CAN FOR FORTY
MINUTES SO- AND THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT'S JUST LIKE. YOU
KNOW FORTY MINUTES OUT OF A
TWELVE TWENTY FOUR THIRTY SIX
HOUR WORK DAY THAT MY COLLEAGUES
AND I EXPERIENCE SO- I AM.
ASKING YOU I'M LETTING YOU KNOW
DISPATCHERS ARE INTO YOUR AND
STRUGGLE PART OF THE PUBLIC
SAFETY SYSTEM IN THE STATE. AND
WE WORK TIRELESSLY TO KEEP
CALIFORNIANS SAFE OUR JOBS ARE
DIFFICULT EXHAUSTING AND
STRESSFUL BEYOND BELIEF AND WE
NEED YOUR SUPPORT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE CAN ACCESS THE CARE
WITH. THAT WE NEED TO KEEP DOING
THEM. I JUST ASK YOU IF YOU CALL
NINE ONE ONE. THAT IN AND OF. I
HOPE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO
EVER. BUT IF YOU CALL NINE ONE
ONE DO NOT WANT THE OTHER PERSON
AT THE END OF THE LINE TO BE. AT
THE TOP OF THEIR GAME AND TO BE
AT OF SOUND MIND AND TO JUST BE.
CLEAR HEADED SO THIS IS WHAT
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO AND TO URGE
YOU TO VOTE YES ON SB SIX TWENTY
THREE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IN THE ROOM.
IN. BENCHER MEMBERS RAINY. ON
BEHALF OF PORAC AND SERVICES GO
AWAY FALLS. COSPONSORED. GOOD
MORNING JENNIFER WROTE ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA STATEWIDE LAW
ENFORCEMENT ASSOCIATION WERE
ALSO A PROUD CO SPONSOR AND
SUPPORT. MITCH SNIDER WITH
CALIFORNIA LABOR FEDERATION ALSO
IN SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING TURN
MEMBERS NAMELY PEDRO WITH THE
CALIFORNIA CORRECTIONAL PEACE
OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS
THE CALIFORNIA CORRECTIONAL
PEACE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION
BENEFIT TRUST FUND IN SUPPORT.
GOOD MORNING SERNA SEAT ON
BEHALF OF CAL NINA AT THE
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER OF THE
NATIONAL EMERGENCY NUMBER
ASSOCIATION AND WE ARE ALSO
PROUD CO SPONSORS IN STRONG
SUPPORT. DO WE HAVE ANY
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL. PLEASE
COME FORWARD. THE.
CHEN MEMBERS FAITH BORDERS ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ASSOCIATION OF JOINT POWERS
AUTHORITIES WE AGREE WITH THE
AUTHORS RECOGNITION OF THE HONOR
AND DISTINCTION IN WHICH PEACE
OFFICERS AND PUBLIC SERVANTS
SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES. AND WE
RECOGNIZE THE MENTAL HEALTH
CHALLENGES THAT MAY BE
ENCOUNTERED THAT ARE HERE TODAY
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED SB SIX
TWENTY THREE. THE BENEFITS
PROPOSED BY SB SIX TWENTY THREE
OUR TALKS TAX PAYER FUNDED AND
DESERVE THOUGHTFUL REVEAL MOST
PUBLIC AGENCY SELF FUND THEIR
WORKERS COMPENSATION COVERAGE
AND A NOT FOR PROFIT JPA LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN USING THIS
MODEL SINCE THE EARLY NINETEEN
EIGHTIES WHEN MANY INSURANCE
COMPANIES WERE UNWILLING OR VERY
RELUCTANT TO PROVIDE INSURANCE
PRODUCTS TO PUBLIC AGENCIES. I
DO ALSO WANT TO BRIEFLY NOTE
THAT PRESUMPTION SHOULD NOT BE
CONFUSED WITH TREATMENT
EMPLOYERS DO PROVIDE TEN
THOUSAND DOLLARS OF EMPLOYER
FUNDED MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR ALL
CLAIMS BROUGHT FORWARD
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE
ACCEPTED OR DENIED AND PROVIDE
GENEROUS HEALTH BENEFITS WITH
THE RECOGNITION THAT THEY SHOULD
BE THERE FOR OFFICER SHOULD THEY
EVER NEED THEM. ALL PRESUMPTIONS
EVEN REBUTTABLE ARE NEARLY
IMPOSSIBLE AS A BAR FOR
EMPLOYERS TO PROVE A NEGATIVE
THAT ILLNESS IS NOT WORK RELATED
SO THE REALITY OF THE BILL IS
THAT CLAIMS THAT ARE NOT
OCCUPATIONAL WILL BE ACCEPTED
AND PAID FOR WITH TAXPAYER
MONEY. SB SIX TWENTY THREE
PROPOSES TO EXTEND THE SUNSET
FOR EXISTING PRESUMPTION FOR PTS
SITE CREATED BY SB FIVE FORTY
TWO. AND EXPANDS THE PRESUMPTION
TO THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS AND
CLASSIFICATIONS INCLUDING PEACE
OFFICERS THAT OUR INVESTIGATORS
FOR THE DENTAL BOARD OF
CALIFORNIA WORK FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF CONSUMER AFFAIRS
THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR
VEHICLES. THE DIVISION OF LABOR
STANDARDS ENFORCEMENT. ANY PEACE
OFFICER PLAYED BY A K. TWELVE
PUBLIC SCHOOL AND MANY MORE. WE
ARE UNAWARE OF ANY OBJECTIVE
ANALYSIS THAT THESE
CLASSIFICATIONS MERIT THE
ELIMINATION OF STATUTORY CLAIMS
REVIEW PROCEDURES THAT A COMPANY
WORKERS COMPENSATION
PRESUMPTIONS OR THAT THEY'RE
DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY
PTS I. FOR EXAMPLE AN INTERNAL
REVIEW OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF
SAFETY DISPATCHER CLAIMS DATA
TELLS US. THAT PTS I CLAIMS ARE
INFREQUENT AND THE TWO THAT WE
HAD WERE ACCEPTED. INSTANCES OF
DENIALS OF SITE CLAIMS WHERE
APPROPRIATE AND OFTEN DIRECTLY
FOLLOWED A DISCIPLINARY ACTION
FOR AN OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE. AND
WE'RE FAILED RIGHT BEFORE
RETIREMENT WHICH INCREASES TAX
FREE PENSION BENEFITS TEN
SECONDS CONFRONTING STIGMA THAT
FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH PTSD AS AN
IMPORTANT OBJECTIVE WE SHARE
WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE AND STAKEHOLDERS. AT
THIS TIME WE'RE OPPOSED TO SB
SIX TWENTY THREE I'VE ALSO BEEN
ASKED TO REGISTER OPPOSITION FOR
THE CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION
OF COUNTIES THE CALIFORNIA
SPECIAL DISTRICTS ASSOCIATION IN
CALIFORNIA CITIES. THANK YOU
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE JASON SCHMELZER HERE
TODAY WITH- ON BEHALF OF THE ICC
WC IN PRISON AND RESPECTFUL
OPPOSITION. SB SIX TWENTY THREE
WE APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANT WORK
DONE BY THE FOLKS WHO WERE THE
SUBJECT OF THIS BILL AND- AND
WE'RE NOT CONFUSED AT ALL ABOUT
THE PERSONAL TOLL. OF THAT THIS
WORK TAKES AND I'D LIKE TO
COMMEND THE WITNESS I THINK IF
ANYBODY WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THAT
PRIOR TO HER TESTIMONY THEY
PROBABLY ARE NO LONGER. A
CONFUSED WE ALSO APPRECIATE THE
INTENT OF CENTER LAYERED AND
SPONSORS OF THE BILL AND TO
BRING THIS FORD FOR THE RIGHT
REASONS- WE DO FIRMLY BELIEVE
THAT THESE TYPES OF INJURIES
SHOULD BE COVERED BY THE WORKERS
COMPENSATION SYSTEM- AND THEY
GENERALLY ARE. WORRIED APART
FROM THE AUTHOR IN THE SPONSORS
IS ON HOW THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD
GO ABOUT EVALUATING AND
RESPONDING TO PROPOSE SOLUTIONS.
WE BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A
HIGH STANDARD FOR THE PASSAGE OF
PRESUMPTION LEGISLATION BECAUSE
THOSE BILLS. DON'T JUST MAKE IT
EASIER FOR WORKERS PURSUE
RIGHTEOUS CLAIMS. A PRESUMPTIONS
MAKE IT VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR
PUBLIC AGENCIES TO REFUTE THE
VERY SMALL NUMBER OF TRULY
INVALID CLAIMS WHICH ARE VERY
EXPENSIVE- AND DRAW ON PUBLIC
DOLLARS. AT THE ANALYSIS
DESCRIBES PRESUMPTIONS IS
FUNCTIONALLY CONCLUSIVE AND WE
AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT-
BECAUSE OF THAT. IT'S OUR
POSITION THAT LEGISLATURE SHOULD
EXPECT AUTHORS AND PROPONENTS TO
BRING DATA TO DEMONSTRATE THAT
THE POPULATION OF WORKERS
SUBJECT THE PRESUMPTION
PROPOSAL. ARE ACTUALLY HAVING
THEIR CLAIMS INAPPROPRIATELY
DENIED UNDER THE WORKERS
COMPENSATION SYSTEM. AND
ACKNOWLEDGING- OBVIOUSLY THAT
THE SENATOR IS INDICATING AND
HAS AGREED TO PURSUE INFORMATION
IN THE FUTURE. I WOULD JUST DRAW
YOUR ATTENTION TO SB FIVE FORTY
TWO WHICH PASSED THROUGH THIS
COMMITTEE. SEVERAL YEARS AGO
WHICH THIS BILL EXPANDS THAT
BILL WAS STUDIED- AND
LEGISLATURE IMPOSED A THAT THIS
COMMITTEE ACTUALLY INSERTED THE
SUNSET INTO THAT BILL. WAITING
FOR THAT OTHER INFORMATION. THAT
THE BILL'S BEEN STUDIED AT THIS
POINT THE INFORMATION. SORT OF
UNDERPINNING THE NEED FOR THAT
STUDY. HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT
FORWARD THE STUDY DOES NOT-
SKEWS ME UNDERPINNING THE NEED
FOR THAT BILL HAS NOT BEEN
ELUCIDATED BY THAT STUDY YET WE
ARE HERE SEEKING TO EXPAND AND
EXTEND. THAT PRESUMPTION SO.
FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE WE THINK
ALLEGED SHOULD REVIEW THAT AND-
PRIOR TO PASSING THESE BILLS-
JUST YESTERDAY THE LEGISLATURE
PASSED A BUDGET THE CONTINUED-
CONTAIN TOP CUTS FOR ALL. SORTS
OF IMPORTANT PROGRAMS LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS ARE ALSO FEELING
THE PINCH AND CONSIDERING THE
LACK. OF OBJECTIVE INFORMATION
INDICATING THE NEED FOR THIS
PROPOSAL- WE DON'T THINK THE
LEGISLATURE SHOULD PASS THIS
UNTIL SUCH INFORMATION IS
AVAILABLE AT WITH THAT. GREAT
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THANK YOU.
THANK YOU BRING BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE DO WE HAVE ANY. HOW
I'M SORRY AT. THE COAST
FORMATION YEAH NICOLE ORNAMENT
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ONTARIO
AND RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. JOHN
KENNEDY RURAL COUNTY
REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA
ALSO IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU
OKAY I'LL BRING BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE SOMEONE GRAYSON. THANK
YOU MADAM CHAIR AND I WANT TO-
THANK US SENATOR LAID FOR YOUR
GREAT WORK ON THIS CRUCIAL
CRUCIAL BILL. THAT HAS COME
FORWARD- PRESIDENT RICE. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR GREAT WORK AND I AM
ESPECIALLY MOVED BY HAVING
DISPATCHER LEWIS WITH US TODAY.
IN WHICH DISPATCHERS IN MANY
CASES DO GET LEFT OUT OF THE
CONVERSATION AND THEY ARE THE
PHRASE LITERALLY THE VERY FIRST
ONES. IN THE CONVERSATION AND
STAY ALL THE WAY TO THE END SO
HAVING SAID THAT- WE THE REASON
I AM PASSIONATE- DONE A LOT OF
WORK IN THIS AREA DATING BACK
TO. AB ELEVEN SIXTEEN AB ELEVEN
SEVENTEEN. ESTABLISHING PEER
SUPPORT- OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOTH
PUB AS- POLICE AND FIRE- THE
REASON FOR THAT DRIVING FORCE
WAS WHAT I WITNESSED AND STILL
WITNESS TO THIS DAY IS A
CRITICAL RESPONSE TO HAPPEN. FOR
A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND- THE
TOLL THAT IT TAKES IN FIGHTING
FOR THE RIGHTS TO BE ABLE TO
HAVE THAT WORKERS COMP CLAIM
APPROVED AT THE TIME THAT IT
TAKES FOR THAT MAYBE IT'S TIME
FOR THE CITIES THAT THE
EXPERIENCE THAT. A LITTLE BIT-
OR LOCAL JURISDICTIONS ON WHAT
IT TAKES SOME TIME- BECAUSE
RIGHT NOW WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON
DATA LIVES OF STILL OF AT PERIL
THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE
IT WASN'T JUST BUT A FEW YEARS
AGO. THAT STATS CAME OUT- THAT
SHOWED THAT MORE FIREFIGHTERS
COMMITTED SUICIDE THAT ACTUALLY
DIED IN THE LINE OF DUTY. AND
WITH THAT I AM FULL SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL AND A WE WOULD LOVE TO
BE ABLE TO BE ADDED ON AS A CO
AUTHOR PRINCE CALL WHATEVER YOU
PREFER. THANK YOU. HALF OF THANK
YOU FOR BEING HERE I'D JUST HAVE
SAID I KNOW HOW YOU DO IT.
DISPATCHERS WERE THE HARDEST
JOBS I'VE EVER SEEN YOU HAVE TO
NOT ONLY. TYPE FAST AND GET ALL
THE INFORMATION BUT YOU GOT TO
STAY CALM ON THE PHONE AND GIVE.
GOOD INFORMATION OVER NOT ONLY
THAT YOU EVEN TOUCH ABOUT THIS
DISPATCHERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
PROTECTING THE POLICE OFFICERS
AND FIREFIGHTERS OUT ON THE
FIELD. YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHERE
THEY'RE AT WHAT'S GOING ON YOU
NEED TO KNOW IF THEY NEED HELP.
ENDS WITH THE RISE OF VIOLENCE
AGAINST MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM
IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. I DON'T SEE
A LOT OF IT COMES FROM LEADERS
WHO ARE. ATTACKING THE WORK THAT
MEN AND WOMEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT
ARE DOING AND DEHUMANIZING THEM.
ATTACKS ARE GOING UP I CAN'T
IMAGINE THE MENTAL HEALTH TOLL
THAT'S TAKEN ON ON THE WHOLE-
INDUSTRY AND THE WHOLE-
PROFESSION. SO I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT WE SEND A MESSAGE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW. IT'S VERY
HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO TAKE THESE
JOBS NOBODY WANTS TO BE A POLICE
OFFICER RIGHT NOW NOBODY WANTS
TO BE A DISPATCHER. SO WE HAVE
TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA IT WANTS YOU. WE
WANT GOOD MEN AND WOMEN TO COME
WORK IN THESE PROFESSIONS WE
NEED YOU. THIS IS WHAT TALK
ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY RETIREMENT
PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY HELPING
PEOPLE IN THE WORST POSSIBLE
SITUATIONS THAT OCCUR. AND WE
CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT GOOD MEN AND
WOMEN. AND YOU GUYS HAVE TO KNOW
THAT WHEN YOU DO TAKE THESE JOBS
THAT WE HAVE YOUR BACK. AND WILL
SUPPORT YOU. THE DIFFICULTY WITH
THESE INJURIES IS THEY'RE NOT
VISIBLE. PSYCHOLOGICAL INDUSTRY-
INJURIES ARE THE MOST DIFFICULT
THINGS TO. DIAGNOSE AND ASSESS.
SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE
BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. AND SO I
DO SUPPORT THIS- I LIKE TO BE A
CO AUTHOR IF YOU'LL ACCEPT ME
AND- WE APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. WE
HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM.
BECAUSE. TWELVE PERCENT- LAYERED
AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS
FORWARD- PRESIDENT RICE I DON'T
KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER WE- WE HAD
A CONVERSATION ABOUT A-
FIREFIGHTER TO CAME TO BE- WHO
WAS EXPERIENCING PTSD OF. AND-
BECAUSE OF WHERE HE CAME FROM.
HE WAS FORCED TO PAY FOR HIS.
MEDICAL OF PSYCHOLOGICAL NEEDS.
WHICH I THOUGHT WAS JUST. IT
WOULD BEYOND. A REASONABLE IN
FACT WHEN HE DESCRIBED. WHAT
TREATED. GOING INTO A- BURNING
BUILDING AND PULLING OUT BODIES
THAT HAVE BEEN BURNT AND- SOME
OF THE HORRIFIC THINGS THAT HE
SAW. THAT HE STILL EXPERIENCE-
AND LIVE THROUGH LIKE TWENTY
YEARS LATER. AND WE TALKED ABOUT
WHAT COULD WE DO FROM THE SENATE
EARLIER I'M I'M GLAD WE WERE
ABLE TO FIGHT WE COULDN'T THINK
OF ANYTHING THEN. SOME GLAD TO
HEAR YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THAT
AND BRING IT FORWARD. AND THEN-
DISPATCHER LEWIS- MY COUSIN.
WITH THE DISPATCHER FOR LOOK AT
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. FOR A
THIRTY FIVE. MMHM I'D PROBABLY
SAY NO. WHEN I SAY WAS. UP SHE-
BUT SHE STILL. SHE STILL. HAS
THE TRAUMA OF THIRTY YEARS OF
ALL THOSE CALLS- I EVEN SEE- NOW
WHEN PEOPLE. THE OLD STYLE PHONE
RINGERS AND IT GOES OFF ON THIS
PHONE I COULD I COULD SEE ON HER
HANDS ONE. OF THE. NO SHE ISN'T
WELL TO- SIX THAT SHE STILL.
BOND PROBABLY SOME TREAT BUT YOU
WON'T. GET IT BECAUSE THAT KIND
OF THE- ESPECIALLY WE AFTER OR-
YOU DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S EVEN
MORE FOR PEOPLE ARE. IN PUBLIC
SO. AND SO I TRY TO GET IT TO
CRACK OFFICER. WHICH I'VE BEEN
ALWAYS HAD THE BEST OF RELAY
WITH. BUT EVEN THEN IT WAS
KILLED- AND WE COULD GET THEM
THE KIND OF- MIDDLE HELL PERFECT
. THAT THEY NEED BECAUSE THEY'RE
MORE OFFICER WHO COMMIT SUICIDE
. THEN ARE. KILLED IN THE LINE
OF DUTY AND IT PRESENTS AND SO
IT IS THE REAL THING THAT WE'RE
NOT REALLY ADDRESSING SO I WANT
TO THANK THREE DO FOR BRINGING
THIS FORWARD BECAUSE WE- VALUE
TO SHINE A LIGHT ON IT BUT WE
GOT ACTUALLY BECOME A LITTLE
MORE PRO ACTIVE. AND MAKING SURE
THAT WE TAKE CARE OF YOU- I
COULD SEE IT WE'VE GOT TO TAKE
CARE OF YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IT
NOW SO THANK YOU FOR. FOR BEING
HERE THANK YOU FOR SHARING AND I
KNOW WAS DIFFICULT BUT IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT THAT. THAT YOU
LET US KNOW THAT WE CAN FEEL
WHAT YOU FEEL. THANK YOU. HI
SOME OF WHAT. THANK YOU THANK
YOU CENTER LAY FOR PRINT FOR-
YOU KNOW I. I'VE BEEN A
CONSULTANT FOR A LONG
ENFORCEMENT FOR TWENTY SEVEN
YEARS. I DON'T SEE WHAT THESE
PEOPLE SEE EVERY DAY. I KNOW HOW
IT'S WHAT I'VE DONE HAS AFFECTED
ME PERSONALLY- THE MASS
DISASTERS I'VE GONE TO. THE
THINGS I SEE- AND MY JOB TO HELP
. FAMILIES GET CLOSURE- AND-
WHEN THEY LOSE SOMEONE- BUT WHAT
I DO SEE. IS THE- A TOLL IT
TAKES ON THE PEOPLE THAT DO THIS
EVERY DAY. WHETHER IT'S THE
FIREFIGHTERS- THE PEOPLE WHO
WORK IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE
CORNER- THE FIRST RESPONDERS-
OUT ON THE SCENE POLICE
OFFICERS. ACCUMULATION OF. OF
THIS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU
DEFINE IT BUT- I DON'T KNOW
WHERE IT FITS INTO ALL THIS BUT
IT IS A DEFINITELY IS A
CUMULATIVE EFFECT AND IT'S
REALLY DIFFICULT ON THEM IT'S
REALLY DIFFICULT ON THEIR
FAMILIES. SO- I'D LOVE TO BE
ADDED AS A CO AUTHOR IF YOU'LL
HAVE ME- I THANK. YOU FOR YOUR
PUBLIC SERVICE- AND I THINK IT'S
I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE HOW
DIFFICULT THIS REALLY IS. AND
JUST GIVE THE SUPPORT THAT. IS
DUE. THANK THANK YOU ANYBODY
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THERE WERE MUCH MORE CALCULATE
CLOSES THAT I COULD DO THAT WERE
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AS RESOURCES SECRETARY I HAD CAL
FIRE FOR EIGHT YEARS I SAW. AND
TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT HAD TO
KNOCK ON WINDOWS IN SANTA ROSA'S
THE FIRE WAS BURNING OVER AND
GET THEM OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. THE
STORE WAS VERY MOVING TO ME OF
WHEN THEY SAW A CAR IN THE
DRIVEWAY IN COFFEY PARK IF THEY
DIDN'T ANSWER THE FRONT DOOR IN
THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT THEY
WALKED AROUND THE TO WHAT THE
GAS WAS THE BEDROOM WINDOW AND
POUNDED. UNTIL PEOPLE GOT OUT
AND HE- I TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO
HAD TO GET OUT THEIR KIDS
BECAUSE THE FIRE BURNED. OVER
THEM I WENT TO FUNERALS AND IT
IS OUR CAN ONLY IMAGINE CUMULATE
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