GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME AND I'D
LIKE TO CALL TODAY'S HEARING OF
THE ASSEMBLY ARTS ENTERTAINMENT
SPORTS TOURISM COMMITTEE. TO
ORDER BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
THERE ARE A FEW HOUSEKEEPING
ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO COVER. FOR
TODAY'S HEARING. WE WILL ONLY BE
ACCEPTING IN PERSON TESTIMONY
AND WITNESSES AND SUPPORT AND
OPPOSITION. THE BILL BEING
PRESENTED WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF
TWO PRIMARY WITNESSES AND
SUPPORT IN TWO PRIMARY WITNESSES
AND OPPOSITION WITH THE LIMIT OF
TWO MINUTES PER WITNESS. AFTER
WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE PRIMARY
WITNESSES, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
THAT ARE HERE IN THE ROOM WILL
BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO STATE
THEIR NAME. THE ORGANIZATION
THEY REPRESENT AND THEIR
POSITION ON THE BILL. I WANT TO
NOTE THAT WE ARE ALSO ACCEPTING
WRITTEN TESTIMONY THROUGH THE
POSITION LETTER PORTAL ON THE
COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE. WE DO HAVE
FOUR MEMBERS HERE, SO I THINK WE
CAN GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH A
QUORUM. QUIRK-SILVA HERE,
WALLACE. PHªN FRIEDMAN. HEART.
BLACKY, VALENCIA. WITH THAT.
WITH THAT NICE BUTTONS. UH WITH
THAT I SEE ARE AUTHOR SENATOR
CABALLERO. IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME
UP, AND TODAY SHE WILL BE
PRESENTING SB 785 CONSUMER
PROTECTION TICKET SELLERS.
GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK
THAT CHAIRING THE COMMITTEE
STAFFER FOR THIS WORK ON THIS
ISSUE. OVER THE FAT PAST FEW
MONTHS, I HAVE HEARD COUNTLESS
STORIES FROM CONSUMERS WHO ARE
MISLED DURING THE PURCHASE OF
LIVE EVENT TICKETS. EVERY SO
OFTEN A CONSUMER SELECTS A
TICKET THAT FALLS WITHIN THEIR
PRICE RANGE ONLY TO DISCOVER
HIDDEN FEES AT THE CHECKOUT.
I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM CONSUMERS
WHO HAVE PURCHASED TICKETS ONLY
TO DISCOVER 24 HOURS BEFORE AN
EVENT THAT THE ORDER WAS NOT
FULFILLED. WHEN A CONSUMER
PURCHASES TICKET TO LIVE
ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS. THEY CARE
ABOUT THREE THINGS ONE. WHAT'S
THE TOTAL PRICE? I'M GONNA HAVE
TO PAY TO. WHERE IS THE SEAT
LOCATION AND THREE? ARE THEY
PURCHASING A REAL TICKET? SB 7
85 WILL PROTECT CONSUMERS BY
REQUIRING UPFRONT PRICING
EFFECTIVELY BANNING THE USE OF
BOTS AND DECEPTIVE YOU OR ELSE
AND REQUIRING TICKET SELLERS TO
OWN OR POSSESS A TICKET BEFORE
ACTUALLY LISTING IT FOR SALE. SP
7 85 WOULD ENSURE CONSUMERS KNOW
THE FINAL PRICE OF A TICKET BY
REQUIRING TICKET SELLERS TO
DISCLOSE THE TOTAL PRICE UP
FRONT UP FRONT. IN OTHER WORDS,
THE FIRST PRICE THE CONSUMER
SEES WILL BE THE FINAL PRICE
THEY WILL PAY. THE BILL ALSO
ENSURES CONSUMERS GET EXACTLY
WHAT THEY PAID FOR BY REQUIRING
A TICKET SELLER TO DISCLOSE SEAT
INFORMATION. AND ENSURE A TICKET
SELLER OWN OR POSSESS THE TICKET
AT THE TIME OF THE SALE.
FURTHERMORE IN AN EFFORT TO
EFFECTIVELY BAN THE PRACTICE OF
SCALPING AND THE USE OF BUTTS,
THIS BILL ESTABLISHES SERIOUS
PENALTIES FOR THE USE OF
DECEPTIVE YOU RLS THAT LOWER
CONSUMERS INTO BUYING TICKETS AT
INFLATED PRICES AND FOR
EMPLOYING BOTS THAT ALLOW
PROFESSIONAL SCALPERS TO HURT
TICKETS AND ENGAGE IN LARGE
SCALE SCALPING, DEPRIVING
CONSUMERS OF ACCESS TO FACE
VALUE TICKETS. YOU NO LONGER
HAVE TO BUY THE TICKETS, GET
THEM IN YOUR HAND AND THEN GO
STAND OUT IN FRONT OF THE EVENT
IN ORDER TO SELL THEM. YOU CAN
DO IT. BY USING DECEPTIVE
PRACTICES THAT LOWER PEOPLE TO
YOUR SITE WHEN YOU DON'T
ACTUALLY EVEN HAVE THE TICKET.
LASTLY SB 7 85 EXPRESSLY
PROTECTS THE ABILITY OF ARTISTS
AND SPORTS TEAMS TO SET TERMS
AND CONDITIONS ON THE SALE OF
THEIR TICKETS, INCLUDING THE
ABILITY TO USE TECHNOLOGY TO
CONTROL SCALPING AND PRICE
GOUGING. IT'S TIME WE MODERNIZE
CALIFORNIA'S TICKETS STATUTE IN
ORDER TO PROTECT CONSUMERS FROM
ANTI CONSUMER PRACTICES AND
PRICE GOUGING WHILE PRESERVING
THE RIGHTS OF THE ARTISTS,
ENTERTAINERS, TEAMS AND VENUES
TO ALLOW FOR ONGOING STAKEHOLDER
ENGAGEMENT ON THIS IMPORTANT
TOPIC. UM IT I INTEND TO HOLD
THIS BILL IN ASSEMBLY PRIVACY AS
A TWO YEAR BILL AND WORK WITH
THE CHAIR. UM, AND THE COMMITTEE
ON AN INFORMATIONAL HEARING IN
THE FALL AND THE CHAIR THE CHAIR
HAS, UM, UM, ADVISED ME THAT
MADAM CHAIR CAN PARTICIPATE IN
THE HEARING AS WELL AS WELL AS
THE COMMITTEE. SO WITH ME TODAY
TO TESTIFY AND SUPPORT IS ANDREW
GOVERNOR ON BEHALF OF THE SAN
FRANCISCO 49 YEARS AND MAJOR
LEAGUE BASEBALL. ANDREW GOVERNOR
HERE ON BEHALF OF SAN FRANCISCO
49 ERS IN SUPPORT OUR TEAM
STRIVE TO PROVIDE WORLD CLASS
EXPERIENCE FOR FANS AND THOSE
THAT ARE TENDER STADIUM AND
GAMES. WE BELIEVE BEING ABLE TO
CONTROL HOW OUR TICKETS ARE
PRICED, TRANSFERRED, SOLD AND
RESOLD IS FUNDAMENTAL TO
PROVIDING THAT EXPERIENCE IN OUR
PRIVATE VENUES. SB 7 85 WILL
ENACT MEANINGFUL CONSUMER
PROTECTIONS WILL ALSO PROTECTING
THE RIGHTS OF EVENT PRESENTERS
ARE CALIFORNIA TEAMS, OUR
ARTISTS AND OUR VENUES WHO
INVEST IN CREATE AND DELIVER
ENTERTAINMENT TO OUR FANS. TO
DETERMINE HOW BEST TO SERVE
THEIR FANS AND CHOOSE HOW
TICKETS TO THEIR EVENTS MAY BE
SOLD. WE SUPPORT THIS BILL
BECAUSE IT WOULD ENACT
MEANINGFUL REFORMS OF THE
TICKETING ECOSYSTEM THAT PUT
CONSUMERS AND ENTERTAINERS
FIRST. IT IS FOR THESE REASONS
THAT WE SUPPORT SB 7 85 AND WE
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
THIS COMMITTEE AND THE OTHER
COMMITTEES IN THE OFFSEASON ON
THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU. GOOD
MORNING. WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT
MADAM CHAIR. GOOD MORNING
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. FIRST
OF ALL, WE WANT TO THANK SENATOR
CABALLERO FOR INTRODUCING THIS
BILL MARCO PRAYER HERE ON BEHALF
OF EGGY AND ITS TICKETING
DIVISION ACCESS AND WE URGE YOUR
I VOTE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING,
TIM LYNCH ON BEHALF OF THE
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS. WE'D LIKE
TO ALSO THANK THE COMMITTEE AND
THE AUTHOR FOR THE BILL. WE
SUPPORT IT IN ITS CURRENT FORM
AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE ONGOING
WORK IN THIS SPACE. GOOD
MORNING, SILVIO FERRARI IN
BEHALF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL
LEAGUE AND SUPPORT MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS MIKE CARPENTER ON
BEHALF OF LIVE NATION
ENTERTAINMENT, ALSO IN SUPPORT.
JULI BAKER, CALIFORNIA ARTS
ADVOCATES IN SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. AND LET'S GO TO
OPPOSITION IF WE HAVE ANY
TESTIMONY TWEENER ON BEHALF OF
ANOTHER. INTO THE FIVE
CALIFORNIA BASEBALL TEAM. E WE
HAVE ASKED FOR SOME TECHNICAL
CHANGES IN BOTH SB 7, 85 AND 88
THAT HAS TO DO WITH FI
TRANSPARENCY AND THE DEFINITION
AT THE WORKING GROUP CONVENED BY
THE SENATE AND ASSEMBLY
COMMITTEES. IT SEEMED THEY HAD
COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THIS
THAT HAPPENS DURING THE PURCHASE
VERSUS ADVERTISING. SO IN THE
OFF SEASON, WE JUST LIKE TO
CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION AS WE
WORK ON THAT AND SOME OTHER
TECHNICAL CHANGES TO THE ISSUES,
SO THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. ROBERT
HARRELL I'M THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE CONSUMER
FEDERATION OF CALIFORNIA. WE ARE
ALSO REPRESENTING TODAY A FEW
OTHER GROUPS THAT COULDN'T MAKE
IT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE
COMMITTEE. SPORTS FANS DOT ORG
NATIONAL CONSUMERS LEAGUE
PROTECT TICKET RIGHTS AND OTHER
CONSUMER ORGANIZATIONS. WE
OPPOSE THIS BILL. UM THE, UM THE
PROBLEM HERE. IN THIS INDUSTRY
WRIT LARGE IS THAT YOU HAVE A
MONOPOLY PLAYER LIVE NATION
TICKETMASTER, WHICH WAS ALLOWED
TO MERGE A LITTLE MORE THAN A
DECADE AGO, HAS BECOME A
DOMINANT MONOPOLY. PARTICULARLY
IN THE PRIMARY TICKET SPACE. THE
ORIGINAL TICKET SELLERS AND ALSO
INCREASINGLY, UH RAISING MARKET
SHARE IN THE SECONDARY MARKET.
UM THAT HISTORY IS IMPORTANT,
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK BACK ON THE
HISTORY OF ANTITRUST IN THIS
COUNTRY, STANDARD OIL THE
ROCKEFELLERS IT GOES BACK, 100,
PLUS YEARS YOU SEE THAT, UH,
NEVER ONCE IN THE HISTORY OF
CONSUMER PROTECTION, HAS A
MONOPOLY ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT
PROTECTING CONSUMERS. WHAT THEY
CARE ABOUT IS PROTECTING THEIR
MONOPOLY, IN FACT, IN SOME CASES
ENHANCING THEIR MONOPOLY AND
MAXIMIZING PROFITS. UH THAT'S
THE GAME HERE. UM AND
UNFORTUNATELY WE SEE A NUMBER OF
PROVISIONS IN THIS BILL AND I'VE
MET WITH SENATOR CABALLERO AND
WE HAD A GOOD, RESPECTFUL
CONVERSATION WALKED THROUGH THE
PRINCIPLES THAT THE CONSUMER
FEDERATION OF CALIFORNIA THINGS
ARE IMPORTANT TO HAVE
COMPREHENSIVE REFORM THAT
ACTUALLY PROTECTS CONSUMERS. AND
THIS SADLY, JUST FALLS SHORT OF
THAT MARK. UM WHEN YOU HAVE A
MONOPOLY, LET'S TAKE AN ISSUE
LIKE TRANSFER ABILITY. WHEN YOU
HAVE THE MONOPOLY, UM
TRANSFERABILITY, ALLOWING
CONSUMERS TO TRANSFER TICKETS.
AS I SAY, LIFE HAPPENS. UH SOME
OF THESE CONCERTS OR SPORTING
EVENTS ARE SCHEDULED WAY IN
ADVANCE. PEOPLE ARE BUYING
BEYONCE TAYLOR SWIFT TICKETS
ALMOST A YEAR IN ADVANCE,
LITERALLY IN EUROPE. THEY'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE PRESSURES ON
THE NATIONAL INFLATION RATE IN
COUNTRIES LIKE SWEDEN. BECAUSE
OF THE EXISTENCE OF ONE OR MORE
BEYONCE OR TAYLOR SWIFT CONCERTS
. THAT'S THE IMPACT THAT'S
HAVING NOW GRANTED, SOME OF THAT
IS BECAUSE OF THIS PENT UP
DEMAND DUE TO COVID, BUT, UM, WE
HAVE FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON
SECTION NINE OF THE BILL. THIS
IS THE SECTION THAT ESSENTIALLY
ALLOWS, UH, THE ORIGINAL TICKET
SELLER TO PUT ANYTHING AND
EVERYTHING THEY WANT TO IN THE
TERMS AND CONDITIONS. WE ARE
ALWAYS CONSUMERS TRAINED TO
CLICK ON THAT BOX. I AGREE TO
THE TERMS OF CONDITIONS. WHY
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T CLICK ON
THAT BOX, YOU DON'T GET THE
SOFTWARE IN YOUR PHONE UP.
UPDATED YOU DON'T GET THE
TICKET. YOU DON'T GO TO THE
SPORTING EVENT, SO THAT PROCESS
, THEN IS ALLOWING THE
MONOPOLIST IN THIS MARKETPLACE.
TO CONFINE CONSUMER PROTECTION
TO LIMIT CONSUMERS ABILITY TO
DEAL WITH REAL WORLD REAL LIFE
SITUATIONS. KID GETS SICK. YOUR
WORK IS BUSY. WHATEVER IT IS,
YOU CAN'T GO ANYMORE. I WOULD
ALSO NOTE THAT ALL THE SPORTS
TEAMS THAT HAVE SPOKEN HAVE
PARTNERSHIPS WITH SECONDARY
MARKET PLAYERS. YEAH JUST A FEW
SECONDS. SO UM, WE WERE HAPPY TO
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE AUTHOR
AND WITH THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS
ON THIS, I WOULD NOTE THERE'S A
BRAND NEW REPORT OUT THIS
MORNING THAT SHOWS THAT
ANALYZING 25 MILLION TICKET
TRANSACTIONS IN THE SPORTING
AREA TRANSFER ABILITY HAS HELPED
SPORTS FANS SAVED $260 MILLION
OVER FIVE YEARS. SO WITH THAT WE
ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON
THIS ISSUE. WE RESPECTFULLY URGE
A NO VOTE AT THIS COMMITTEE
TODAY. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS ERIN NIMBLER,
REPRESENTING STUBHUB, ONE OF THE
SECONDARY MARKET PLATFORMS THAT
UNFORTUNATELY HAS A RESPECTFUL,
OPPOSING LESS AMENDED POSITION
ON THIS BILL. WE WANT TO START
BY THANKING THE AUTHOR AND HER
STAFF FOR CONSTANTLY BEING
ACCESSIBLE DURING THIS PROCESS
AND ALSO BEING OPEN TO
DISCUSSION AT EVERY POINT.
UNFORTUNATELY WE FIND OURSELVES
IN A POSITION OF CONTINUING TO
OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED, AND ONE
OF THOSE REASONS IS THAT
CALIFORNIA. ALREADY CURRENTLY
FALLS BEHIND OTHER COMPARABLE
STATES IN TERMS OF PROVIDING
BASIC CONSUMER PROTECTIONS TO
UTILIZE AND TO, UM, PURCHASE OR
RESELL YOUR TICKETS, FOR EXAMPLE
, IN NEW YORK SINCE 2010 NEW
YORKERS HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO
BE PROTECTED AGAINST BEING
TURNED AWAY AT THE DOOR WHEREVER
THEY BOUGHT THEIR TICKET. AND
THEY HAVE BEEN PROTECTED AND
THEIR ABILITY TO TRANSFER
TICKETS. THERE IS AN EXPLICIT
PROTECTION FOR SEASON TICKET
HOLDERS ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT
THAT ALLOWS THEM TO TRANSFER
TICKETS AND EVERY AND ANY WAY
THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, AND SO
CALIFORNIA IS ALREADY FALLING
BEHIND. THIS BILL, UNFORTUNATELY
, MOVES CALIFORNIA FURTHER
BEHIND IN THE WAY THAT IT IS
DRAFTED NOW BECAUSE IT PROVIDES
STATUTORY PROTECTIONS. FOR THE
ORIGINAL TICKET SELLER OR
PRESENTER TO CONTROL THE
DISPENSATION OF THE TICKET AT
EVERY TURN, INCLUDING TURNING
AWAY THE ABILITY OF FOLKS TO
UTILIZE THEIR TICKET AT THE DOOR
WHILE THIS COMMITTEE HAS DONE A
GREAT JOB, TRYING TO ADDRESS
SECTION NINE, AND THE TRANSFER
ABILITY THAT THAT PROBE
PROHIBITION THAT WOULD HAVE
EXISTED IN THAT SECTION. THAT
UNFORTUNATELY, UNDER THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, THAT
SECTION WOULD STILL ALLOW THOSE
ORIGINAL TICKET SELLERS TO
PROHIBIT UTILIZATION OF THAT
TICKET. PURCHASED ON A DIFFERENT
PLATFORM AT THE DOOR. AND THEN
THERE ARE TWO OTHER PROVISIONS
OF THE BILL THAT WOULD CONTINUE
TO ALLOW THAT INCLUDING AN
EXPLICIT PROVISIONS THAT WOULD
RESTRICT THE RIGHTS OF TICKET
HOLDERS WHO HAVE A CONTRACTUAL
RIGHT TO THEIR TICKET, SUCH AS
SEASON TICKET HOLDERS FROM BEING
ABLE TO TRANSFER THOSE TICKETS
OR HAVE FULL CONTRACTUAL
CONTROL. OF THE TICKET THAT THEY
PURCHASED. SO THOSE ARE THE
REASONS WE CONTINUE TO OPPOSE
THE BILL. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE
ANY OTHER SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION
TODAY? RYLANDER ON BEHALF OF
VIVID SEATS, AND WE ARE OPPOSED
UNLESS AMENDED. SEE NO ONE ELSE
. WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS. COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK
YOU, SENATOR FOR BRINGING THIS
BILL FORWARD. THIS IS CLEARLY A
SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF
NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO CONSUMERS.
INFLATED PRICES SPECULATOR
TICKETING, PARTICULARLY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE USE OF BOTS,
AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOUR BILL
IS TRYING TO INCREASE
ENFORCEMENT OF THAT. I THINK ONE
THING AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE
PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE OFFERED
TODAY TO HAVE THE BILL WILL MAKE
ITS WAY OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE
AND THEN BECOME A TWO YEAR BILL
IN PRIVACY AND GIVE MORE TIME TO
CONSIDER. THIS IS TO HAVE SOME
REAL HARD DATA ON THE USE OF
BOTS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS INFORMATION
OR IF THERE ARE OTHER CONSUMER
ADVOCACY GROUPS THAT CAN GET US
THAT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT
REALLY IS WHAT'S MAKING THIS
SYSTEM BE DISTORTED IS THE USE
OF BOTS AND THE SCALPING EFFECT
AND THE INFLATION OF PRICES IN
THE SECONDARY MARKET IS DRIVEN
BY THAT. SO THE BIGGEST IMPACT I
THINK WE CAN MAKE FOR CONSUMERS
IS TO TRY AND GET A HANDLE ON
THAT. I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS BILL
DO THAT. UM, SO ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT HAS OPPOSITION HAS
RAISED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR
BILL IS THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL
FOR CONCENTRATING POWER EVEN
MORE GREATLY IN THE INDIVIDUAL,
UM, TICKET VENDORS AND VENUES
THEMSELVES THAT THE HUGE SIZE
OF, UM TICKET VENDORS IS ANTI
COMPETITIVE AND THAT THERE IS
TOO MUCH CONSOLIDATION THE
MARKET. WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF
THAT PROBLEM? WELL THERE'S NO NO
QUESTION THAT THERE THERE HAS TO
BE DIVERSE MARKET OPPORTUNITIES
. UM BUT THE ALLOWING BOATS TO
BE USED AS THIS SOLUTION TO THAT
DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. SO
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE
OUT WHETHER WE CAN REQUIRE AND
THIS THIS IS THIS IS SEPARATE.
UM FROM IT, BUT THE VENUES ARE
DECIDING WHO THE, UM, WHO WILL
GET THE TICKET SALES AND THE
VENUES IN MANY TIMES ARE OWNED
BY SOME OF THE COMPANIES ARE
SOME OF THE TEAMS THAT DIDN'T A
PLANE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT HAS
OCCURRED IN WHICH IS WHICH HAS
CREATED FEDERAL LEGISLATION. IS
THAT THE ALLOWING THE LEAGUE'S
OAN? THE STADIUM'S MEANS THAT
THE THAT THE TEAM'S OWN THE
STADIUM AND THEY PICKED THE
TICKET. UH SELLER THAT THEY WANT
TO GO THROUGH. UM AND, UH AND SO
THEY END UP HAVING A
RELATIONSHIP THAT SOLIDIFIES THE
MONOPOLY, AND SO UNLESS YOU
REQUIRE THAT THEY SELL TICKETS
ON AT LEAST TWO OR THREE SITES
YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH WITH
THE BIGGER COMPANIES BECOMING
BIGGER AND BIGGER BECAUSE THEY
HAVE A WAY TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL
THAT PRIMARY MARKET. CONTROL THE
SECONDARY MARKET WITHIN THAT
SAME ORGANIZATION BY SAYING, YOU
CAN ONLY SELL RESELL YOUR
TICKETS THROUGH OUR SITES. AND
UM AND SO THEY PICK UP THE
SECONDARY MARKET, AND THEN
THERE'S KICKBACKS BACK TO THE TO
THE TEAMS IN THE SECONDARY
MARKET. IF THE IF THE IF THE
TICKET IS INFLATED, SO THAT GOES
WAY BEYOND WHAT, UM, IN TERMS OF
THE RELATIONSHIPS, UM, THAT ARE
CONTROLLED PART PARTIALLY BY THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY
ALLOWED, UM, THAT THE. THE
SITUATION TO OCCUR IF YOU WILL,
UM AND UM AND IT MAY BE THAT WE
HAVE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE
SAY YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE, OR
YOU HAVE TO SELL TICKETS ON AT
LEAST TWO SITES. THAT MAY BE THE
TOPIC OF THE HEARING THAT WE
HAVE IN THE FALL TO FIGURE OUT
HOW FAR DO WE NEED TO GO SO THAT
WE'RE NOT CREATING A SUPER
MONOPOLY BY ENACTING RULES THAT
PROTECT THE CONSUMER THAT START
TO PROVIDE SOME TRANSPARENCY,
BUT ALSO THAT WILL LEAD LEAD TO
A, UM MONOPOLIZATION OF THE
INDUSTRY TOTALLY WELL, THANK YOU
FOR THE ANSWER, BECAUSE I THINK
THAT'S EXACTLY THE CHALLENGES
THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND IN
ADDITION TO GOING AFTER BOTS IN
A SYSTEMATIC WAY, THAT'S
EFFECTIVE. THOSE TWO THINGS WITH
THE PRICE TRANSPARENCY COMPONENT
THAT ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S FRIEDMAN
HAS IN HER BILL. I THINK WE PUT
TOGETHER A BIT MUCH BETTER
PACKAGE AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
AT RIGHT NOW. SO THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE
IT. THAT WAS ALWAYS THE GOAL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS. REMEMBER
FRIEDMAN, THE AUTHOR FOR JUMPING
INTO? IT'S A REALLY COMPLICATED
ISSUE, AND I KNOW SHE'S BEEN
WORKING VERY THOUGHTFULLY AND
VERY DILIGENTLY ON ALL OF THESE
ISSUES, AND I APPRECIATE THE
CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. I
ALSO, UM UM, VERY I'M REALLY
LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU WORKING
ON THE BOT ISSUE. I THINK IT'S
SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW WE'VE
HEARD FROM SORT OF EVERYBODY IS
A PROBLEM AND SOMETHING THAT
NOBODY WANTS TO THAT'S NOT A
FRIENDLY TO CONSUMERS AND THAT
ARTIFICIALLY INFLATES THE PRICE
OF DESIRABLE TICKETS. I WOULD
ALIGN A LOT OF MY THOUGHTS WITH
CONSUMER FEDERATION IN TERMS OF
WHAT I STILL SEE AS BEING ISSUES
WITH THE BILL. UM BUT I ALSO
HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN YOU AS AN
AUTHOR AND WANT TO CERTAINLY SEE
THE CONVERSATION CONTINUE, AND
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE BILL
TODAY. EVEN THOUGH I, UH YOU
KNOW, PROBABLY COULDN'T SUPPORT
IT EVENTUALLY IN THIS PARTICULAR
FORMAT, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
EVERYBODY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. AH
I SEE NO OTHER MEMBERS. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? I
RESPECTFULLY ASK CAREER I VOTE.
A TWO YEAR BILL AND THEN AND SEE
IF WE CAN SOLVE SOME OF THESE
ISSUES. AH AND I DO HAVE SOME
COMMENTS ON TO OUR COMMITTEE
MEMBERS AND TO THOSE WHO HAVE
WORKED EXTENSIVELY ON THIS BILL,
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU WORK TAKE ON A
TOPIC. AS BOTH OF THESE AUTHORS
HAVE, THEY'RE NOT EASY, UH,
TOPICS OR CHALLENGING THEIR
MESSY. THERE'S DISAGREEMENT.
THERE'S OPPOSITION, AND
SOMETIMES WE THINK WITHIN A
LEGISLATIVE CYCLE THAT WE CAN
JUST MOVE THINGS AND EVERYTHING
WILL PATTERN OUT. SO I
APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS, UH
, TO SAY THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE
DONE. AND WE DID QUITE A BIT OF
WORK THROUGHOUT THE COMMITTEE,
UH, TRYING TO FIND SOME
CONSENSUS OR PLACE OF AN
AGREEMENT. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN
THIS TIMELINE, WHICH IS WHY THE
PRIVACY CHAIR ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S
JESSE GABRIEL AND I HAVE WORKED
CLOSE TOGETHER. WE WILL BE DOING
A JOINT HEARING AND HAVE TALKED
EXTENSIVELY THROUGH THIS. WE
WANT TO GET TO IN THE
RESOLUTION. WE THE TIME JUST RAN
OUT FOR US. TO GET TO THAT
PLACE, BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE IS
A SPOT. THAT WE CAN FIND AND
ESSENCE THAT WILL PROTECT
CONSUMERS AND WILL, UH, MOVE
THIS BILL FORWARD. SO WITH THAT
I AM SUPPORTING IT, AND WE KNOW
THAT YOUR REPUTATION OF BEING
HARD AND CONTINUING THE
CONVERSATION WE CAN COUNT ON
THAT. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.
WITHOUT THAT BILL WILL BE MOVED
DIRECTLY TO PRIVACY. TAKE THE
ROLE. QUICKSILVER. HI. WALLACE.
PHªN. FRIEDMAN HEART BLACKIE.
VALENCIA. HMM. THAT BILL IS OUT
TO IT. AND, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE
THE WORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE
VOTE IS FIVE TO NON VOTING. FOR
THAT WE WILL BE A JOURNEY IN OUR
COMMITTEE.