LEFT EVERYBODY WELCOME IT IS ON
. YOU HEAR ME ALRIGHT OKAY. YEAH
GOOD. AB WE ARE CONVENING THE
ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON UTILITIES
AND ENERGY HEARING- WE DO NOT
HAVE A QUORUM WE WILL UP HERE
BILLS AS A COMMITTEE I HAVE TO
SERGEANTS PLEASED TO CALL THE
ABSENT MEMBERS WE HAVE A FEW OF
THE HOMELESS. AT BREATHWORK
SESSION FOLKS COME ON AT WE
OBVIOUSLY WILL MAINTAIN DECORUM
DURING THE HEARING AS IS
CUSTOMARY IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM
THE PUBLIC WITHIN THE LIMITS OF
OUR TIME WE WILL NOT PERMIT
CONDUCT THAT DISRUPTS OUR
HEARING AND ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO
IS DISRUPTIVE MAY BE REMOVED
FROM THE ROOM ASSEMBLY MEMBERS
HOLDEN AND CALDERON WILL BE
ABSENT FROM TODAY'S HEARING
ASSEMBLY MEMBER WOULD AND
ASSEMBLY MEMBER HEART WILL BE
SUBSTITUTING THANKS TO BOTH OF
YOU I THOUGHT I SAW HIM. IN AND
OUT. BRIGITTE YOU JOINING US FOR
THAT BRIEF MOMENT. REGULAR UP WE
HAVE SIX MEASURES THAT ARE ON
CONSENT. ITEM ONE SB THIRTY
EIGHT LAYERED. ITEM FOR SB THREE
ONE NINE MCGUIRE ITEM SEVEN S.
B. FOUR NINE THREE MEN. AND THE
SP FIVE SEVEN TWO STERN SB SIX
SIX FOUR STERN AND SP SIX ONE
NINE PADILLA- WITH SOME
COMMUTING YEAH WHEN ACCEPT
COMMITTEE SO I CAN'T ASK FOR A
MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE-
CONSENT CALENDAR WITH. SOON AS
WE GET THERE. ARE WE WILL WILL
MOVE TO A FIRST OFF. THANK THIS
. TO BEGIN WITH RIGHT HERE ITEM
TWO S. B. TWO THREE THREE
SKINNER. ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND
ELECTRIC VEHICLE SUPPLY
EQUIPMENT TO BIDIRECTIONAL
CAPACITY- AND SENATOR SKINNER-
YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW TO
PRESENT YOUR BILL. AND YOU CAN
INVITE YOUR WITNESSES TO THE
DICE AS WELL. RIGHT. SECOND.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MISTER CHAIR
MEMBERS PLEASE TO PRESENT- S. B.
TWO THIRTY THREE AND I'D LIKE TO
START WITH THAT I AM ACCEPTING
THE COMMITTEES AMENDMENTS THAT
ADDS SOME SPECIFICITY TO THE
STUDY. I'M ALSO TAKING THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WERE ASKED FOR
IN THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE-
THAT WE WORKED OUT TOGETHER THAT
EXEMPTS- HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS SO
EXEMPTS THOSE VEHICLES THERE
OUTSIDE OF WHAT ARE CONSIDERED A
PASSENGER CLASS SO IT DOESN'T
EXEMPT FOR EXAMPLE THE FORD ONE
FIFTY TRUCK WHICH IS CONSIDERED
AND- PASSENGER VEHICLE CLASS I
KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT
CLASSES OF VEHICLES AND I'M NOT
USING THE CORRECT TERM. BUT JUST
WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S-
YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT VEHICLES
WOULD BE EXEMPTED AND WHATNOT-
AS I'M SURE THE COMMITTEE AS
WELL AWARE CALIFORNIA HAS MADE A
COMMITMENT TO ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLES WE- DIVIDE
ADMINISTRATION HAS ALSO PROPOSED
NEW RULES TO MASSIVELY
ACCELERATE TV PRODUCTION IN BOTH
OUR STATE AND THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AFTER REBATES ON THE
PURCHASE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
SO WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN
PURCHASE AND AN INCREASE IN THE
MODELS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE
MANUFACTURERS WHO ARE MAKING
THEM NOW INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH
AND I SHOULD PULL YOUR ALL USE
THIS AS MY- SELF. WE'RE ALL VERY
FAMILIAR THAT THIS DEVICE THAT
WE CALL IN OUR- CARRY IN OUR
POCKETS. IS AN ENERGY STORAGE
DEVICE BECAUSE WELL AS WERE
UTILIZING IT WE DON'T HAVE IT
PLUGGED IN THAT'S BECAUSE IT HAS
A BATTERY. NOW THE E. V. IS AN
ENERGY STORAGE DEVICE IT IS
POWERED BY THAT BATTERY OF
COURSE YES YOU HAVE TO CHARGE IT
BUT THAT. THE POWER OF THAT
BATTERY AND THAT HE CAN BE USED
FOR MORE THAN JUST. POWERING THE
CAR AND GIVEN THAT ON AVERAGE
MOST PEOPLE DO NOT SO MANY
PEOPLE USE THEIR CARS FOR MANY
MANY MILES AND MANY HOURS A DAY.
OTHER PEOPLE DO NOT AND THAT IS
THE DOMINANT DOMINANT USE OF
VEHICLES IS NOT THAT MANY MILES
A DAY. AND SO THE CAPACITY OF
THAT BATTERY HAS THE ABILITY TO
BE USED SAY IN AN EMERGENCY TO
POWER HOME FOR WHEN THERE'S A
BLACKOUT. OR VARIOUS OTHER
REASONS OR TO HELP YOU AVOID THE
PEAK PRICE OF ELECTRICITY. AND
DURING THE HIGHEST DEMAND TIME
FOR AN HOUR OR TWO FOR EXAMPLE-
IN THERE AND HOW A VEHICLE IS
ABLE TO DO THAT IS BY SOMETHING
CALLED BI DIRECTIONAL
CAPABILITY. NOW MANY OF YOU MAY
HAVE SEEN THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR
THE FORD ONE FIFTY TRUCK- IN THE
FORD ONE FIFTY TRUCK WHICH HAS
BI DIRECTIONAL CAPABILITY. THE
PERSON DRIVING DRIVES UP TO THE
CABIN JUMPS OUT OF THE CAR PLUGS
THE- TRUCK INTO. THE HOUSE AND
TURNS THE LIGHTS ON IN THE
HOUSE. I THE NISSAN LEAF WHICH
IS THE OF EACH ON THE MORE HAS
ALWAYS BY. KEEP SO WHAT BILL
DOES IS ASK THAT BY TWENTY THE
MODEL YEAR TWENTY THIRTY THAT
THE ECB'S THAT THE BILL AFFECTS.
BE TAPPED OUT BI DIRECTIONAL
CAPABILITY SO THAT NO- CONSUMER
WHO BUYS IN AB IS A DISADVANTAGE
SO THAT WE DON'T. I REACH A
PLACE WHERE THE EVEN
MANUFACTURERS DECIDE UP FOR ONLY
GOING TO PUT THIS IN THE HIGH
END VEHICLES AND ATTRACT YOU
KNOW HIGH INVITE BUYERS WE WANT
ANY BUYER REGARDLESS. OF THAT-
WHETHER IT'S A LUXURY EVEY OR
THE MORE AFFORDABLE EASY TO HAVE
THIS CAPABILITY BECAUSE IT IS A
BENEFIT TO THE CONSUMER HE ALSO
HAS GREAT BENEFITS BUT WE CAN TO
DISCUSS THAT LATER. ON SO LET ME
HAVE MY WITNESSES IN SUPPORT WE
HAVE- KELLY CALLING FROM THE
CLIMATE CENTER. AND GREGORY
PALANI WHO IS THE CEO OF NEW B.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE WANT TO
START WITH THAT WHO WOULD LIKE
TO START WHATEVER YOU PREFER.
OKAY- I ELLIE ONCE YOU START AND
THEN. THANK YOU. HUNDRED YES TO
MAKE FOR EACH. GREAT WONDERFUL
GREAT THANK. A AFTERNOON MEMBER
I'M ELLIE CEO OF CLIMATE- S. TWO
THIRTY THREE FOR BI DIRECTIONAL
EVEY CHARGING CAPABILITIES MAKES
POSSIBLE A MUCH CLEANER CHEAPER
AND MORE EQUITABLE ELECTRICITY
SYSTEM. AND A CHANCE TO MOVE
PAST FOSSIL FUELS AS OUR CORE
STRATEGY FOR ENERGY RESILIENCE
AND RELIABILITY. AS EVERYBODY
KNOWS LAST WEEK WAS THE HOTTEST
WEEK GLOBALLY IN HISTORY THIS
WEEK WE'RE SEEING RECORD
BREAKING FLOODING IN THE
NORTHEAST EXTREME HEAT IN THE
SOUTH. AND NOW THAT DEADLY HEAT
WAVE IS COMING TO US IN
CALIFORNIA WE CANNOT AFFORD TO
CONTINUE RELYING ON OUTDATED AND
POLLUTING FOSSIL TECHNOLOGIES TO
KEEP OUR LIGHTS ON AND KEEP OUR
GRID FROM FAILING. POLLUTING GAS
PEAKER PLANTS AND DIRTY DIESEL
BACK UP GENERATORS
DISPROPORTIONATELY HARM LOWER
INCOME AND WORKING CLASS
COMMUNITIES EXACERBATING
ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES IN THE
PAST FEW YEARS CALIFORNIA'S
EXTEND THE LIFE OF FOSSIL PLANTS
AND INVESTED IN BACKUP
GENERATORS. AND OTHER FOSSIL
FUEL BASED ENERGY RECENTLY
UTILITIES HAVE SENT EMAILS TO
CUSTOMERS ENCOURAGING THEM TO
PURCHASE FOSSIL FUEL BACKUP
GENERATORS. WE'VE INVESTED
BILLIONS OF STATE DOLLARS INTO
THESE RESOURCES SB TWO THIRTY
THREE PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY
TO TAP INTO A CLEANER AND
CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE EV'S TO
PROVIDE THE SAME BENEFITS AND
MORE. WE'RE JUST EMBARKING DOWN
ON MASSIVE ONCE IN A GENERATION
INVESTMENTS IN EV'S AS
CALIFORNIA PHASES OUT GAS
VEHICLES BY TWENTY THIRTY FIVE.
THE QUESTION BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE TODAY IS WILL WE USE
THESE TAXPAYER INVESTMENTS TO
ALSO BUILD A CLEANER AND MORE
RELIABLE ELECTRICITY GRID. RIGHT
NOW CALIFORNIA HAS ONE AND A
HALF MILLION EV'S AN ESTIMATED
EIGHT MILLION BY TWENTY THIRTY
AND TWELVE MILLION BY TWENTY
THIRTY FIVE. IF THEY'RE BI
DIRECTIONAL PER THIS BILL JUST A
TINY FRACTION OF THESE VEHICLES
WILL BECOME THE FOUNDATIONAL.
FOR A FOR ENERGY STORAGE FOR
MORE AGREES LEE AND RELY GREW
AND- SB TWO THIRTY THREE CENTS A
CRITICAL MARKET SIGNAL IT HELPS
CALIFORNIA LEVERAGE THIS MASSIVE
EVEY ENERGY CAPACITY. AND THE
BILLIONS OF FEDERAL AND STATE
DOLLARS BEING INVESTED IN YOU
THESE RIGHT NOW AND HELPS ENSURE
THAT ENERGY RESILIENCE IS
AVAILABLE TO ALL CALIFORNIANS.
WITH OVER TWO HUNDRED OF OUR
MENTAL JUSTICE GROUPS AND
INDUSTRY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT
ORGANIZATIONS SUPPORT I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE THANK YOU. CHEN THE
ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE MEMBERS MY
NAME IS GRAY OR BROWN AND I'M
THE CEO OF NUBIA PRACTICE FOR
THAT COMPANY AND WORLD LEADER
YOU KNOW VEHICLE TO GRID
TECHNOLOGY. ATTORNEY V. INTO
MOBILE STORAGE IS CRITICAL TO
PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY AGREED
NEEDS DISTRESS YOU THEN SURE
THAT CALIFORNIA AS THE ENERGY
STORAGE IT NEEDS TO MEASURE GRID
WITH PREDOMINANTLY WIND AND
SOLAR BASED GENERATION. BUT
ACTUALLY THE ARE GOING TO
PROVIDE AN EXTREMELY SOURCE OF
ENERGY STORAGE AND AN EDGE
AGAINST POTENTIAL SUPPLY CHAIN
CHALLENGES AND OTHER FACTORS
THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE DEPLOYMENT
OF STATIONARY STORAGE. MY
COMPANY NUVI AS AND MATCH REAL
WORLD EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE
IN BI DIRECTIONAL CHARGING TODAY
IN CALIFORNIA WE HAVE TEN SCHOOL
DISTRICTS THAT USE VEHICLE TO
GRID TO REDUCE THE COST. OF
ELECTRIFYING THEIR FLEETS AND
GIVING THEM MORE MONEY FOR
STUDENT INSTRUCTION WHILE
SUPPORTING CLEAN TRANSPORTATION
AND RENEWABLE INTEGRATION. THESE
PROJECTS INCLUDE VEHICLE TO GRID
INTEGRATION WITH THREE DIFFERENT
SCHOOL BUS MANUFACTURERS SO IT
CAN BE DONE TODAY. IN SAN DIEGO
DURING LAST YEAR'S HISTORIC TEN
DAY EACH WAVE THE COUNT VALLEY
UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT. USE THAT
V. TWO G. PLATFORM TO HELP KEEP
THE LIGHTS ON NOW WE HAVE THREE
V. TWO G. SCHOOL FLEETS. SCHOOL
BUS FLEETS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY
PROVIDING NEARLY ONE MEGAWATT OF
CAPACITY FOR THE SUMMER
EMERGENCY LOAD REDUCTION
PROGRAM. NEW IS ALSO IN THE
PROCESS OF DEPLOYING ANOTHER ONE
POINT FIVE MILLION WHAT TO V.
TWO G. IN THE CITY OF LOS
ANGELES SIGNIFICANT. SUPPORTING
A SIGNIFICANT SCHOOL BUS
EXTRICATION EFFORTS. IN EUROPE
WE HAVE BEEN DOING V. TWO G.
WOULD NEED SEVENTY FOR NEARLY
SEVEN YEARS EACH OF THESE
VEHICLES GENERATED AN AVERAGE OF
THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR
BY PROVIDING ESSENTIAL GREED
SERVICES. ON A DAILY BASIS
REDUCING THE TOTAL COST OF
OWNERSHIP OF THOSE TV'S BY ABOUT
FORTY PERCENT. OVER THE LIFE OF
THE VEHICLE. LET ME REPEAT IT
SEVEN YEARS IS V. TWO G. WITHOUT
IMPACTING THE BATTERY LIFE.
RECEIVE IT TO JUST AN ESSENTIAL
TECHNOLOGY TO ACHIEVE EVEN
DEPLOYMENT GOALS WHILE KEEPING
ENERGY COSTS EQUITABLE.
CALIFORNIA MISLEAD THE
BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGING
REVOLUTION AND MAKE SURE THE
TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE. TO
EVERYONE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU APPRECIATE THAT WHERE
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO A PUBLIC
COMMENT NEXT- I'M SORRY WE
MISSED THE PRIMARY OPPOSITION.
PRIMARY OPPOSITION PLEASE COME
FORWARD. AND MAKE ROOM FOR THEM
AT THE TABLE THANK YOU. YEAH
HELLO. THE DALLAS. SPENT A LOT
OF. TIME TOGETHER. GOOD
AFTERNOON MY NAME IS KURT AUG MC
DIRECTOR OF STATE AFFAIRS FOR
THE ALLIANCE FOR AUTOMOTIVE
INNOVATION. WE ARE THE TRADE
ASSOCIATION THAT REPRESENTS THE
AUTO MANUFACTURERS. AS WELL AS
MANY OF THE COMPANIES THAT
PROVIDE THE- ELECTRIC VEHICLE
BATTERIES IN THE TECHNOLOGY FOR
THOSE VEHICLES- AND I WANT TO BE
CLEAR. WE ARE NOT AGAINST BI
DIRECTIONAL. CHARGING AS THE
SENATOR HAS CORRECTLY POINTED
OUT THERE ARE SOME VEHICLES IN
THE MARKET PLACE THAT HAVE BI
DIRECTIONAL CHARGING. THE ISSUE
THAT WE HAVE IS THE MANDATORY
ALL VEHICLES MUST HAVE AT. IN A
DATE THAT IS RELATIVELY SHORT
TIME FROM NOW- YOUR COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT
JOB OF LAYING OUT THE CONCERNS
REGARDING THIS. WHAT WE HAVE.
TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS
BILL IS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN MANDATED TO
BEHALF SOME REQUIREMENTS BUT
THEY'VE ALL BEEN COLD OUT EXCEPT
FOR ONE THING ALL ELECTRIC
VEHICLES. MUST HAVE THIS. THIS
IS A PROBLEM IT'S THE CART
BEFORE THE HORSE. THE BILL'S
PURPOSE IS TO LAY OUT STANDARDS
MAKE THE STUDY AND YET WE'RE TO
COMPLY WITH THESE STANDARDS
BEFORE THEY'RE DEVELOPED. AGAIN
THE ANALYSIS DOES LAY OUT THE
CHALLENGES NOT ONLY FOR AUTO
MAKERS BUT FOR THE GRID
MANUFACTURES THE CHARGERS SIX
AFTER SO WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING.
THAT OUR MANDATE BE REMOVED. AND
ROLLED IN TO THE STUDY OF THE
BILL OF THE BILL THAT 99% OF THE
BILL IS. WE BELIEVE THAT'S
APPROPRIATE WE'VE ACTUALLY
PROVIDED THE COMMITTEES
ADDITIONAL STUDY INFORMATION TO
BEEF UP THE STUDY. AND WE SIMPLY
ASK THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO.
SKEWS ME AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE
TRYING TO GET MORE ELECTRIC
VEHICLES ON THE ROAD. WE DON'T
HAVE A GOAL OF THE STATE WE HAVE
A MANDATE. A MANDATE THAT STARTS
RAMPING UP EFFECTIVELY IN TWENTY
TWENTY SIX WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
TO DOUBLE OUR SALES FROM LAST
YEAR. TO THEN 2100% IN TWENTY
THIRTY FIVE. UNFORTUNATELY
BECAUSE OF THE WARRANTY
REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE COMING.
THIS BILL WILL INCREASE THOSE
COSTS AT A TIME WHEN THEY'RE
BOTH VEHICLES ARE ALREADY MORE
EXPENSIVE THAN THEIR GASOLINE
POWERED CALL TURNIPS. WE NEED
ALL THE INCENTIVES TO HAVE
CONSUMERS BUY MORE. ELECTRIC
VEHICLES AND NOT THE DISTANCE
DISINCENTIVE SO AGAIN WE SIMPLY
ASK FOR US TO BE PART OF THE
STUDY. AS EVERY OTHER ENTITY
THAT IS INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE
VEHICLE TO GRID. ASPECT IS. AND
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THANK YOU
SIR. ANY OTHER WITNESSES PRIMARY
WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. RIGHT
WILL MOVE TO A PUBLIC. COMMENT
DO WE HAVE ANY WITNESSES IN THE
HEARING ROOM IN SUPPORT PLEASE.
STATE YOUR NAME ORGANIZATION AND
POSITION PLEASE. HI NICOLE
RIVERA BRINGING. PLEASE VOTE YES
ON BEHALF OF THE CENTER FOR
BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY CITIZENS
CLIMATE LOBBY THE RELIGIOUS
ACTION CENTER AT THREE FIFTY BAY
AREA ACTION AND SUSTAINABLE ROSS
MORE THANK YOU. I AM JOHN SARTOR
WITH DECIBEL LOC IN SAN BRUNO
CALIFORNIA- WE MAKE A CERTIFIED
. NORTH AMERICAN CERTIFIED
BIDIRECTIONAL EEVEE CHARGER
THAT'S AVAILABLE AND AFFORDABLE
NOW AND WE SPEAK IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THE BILL THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON TWENTY AMP WITH
THE CALIFORNIA ALLIANCE FOR
RETIRED AMERICANS IN STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON LILLIAN MARVIS WITH MC
ET CALIFORNIA'S FIRST COMMUNITY
CHOICE AGGREGATOR HERE IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU. FOR ETHERNET
LEARN ABOUT FOR THE CITY OF
SANTA ROSA IN SUPPORT. DANIEL
BRYAN ON BEHALF OF UNION OF
CONCERNED SCIENTISTS IN SUPPORT
ALSO READ TESTING SUPPORT FOR
SIERRA CLUB CALIFORNIA THANK YOU
. CYNTHIA SHALLOT FOR
INDIVISIBLE CALIFORNIA STATE
STRONG WITH EIGHTY CHAPTERS UP
AND DOWN THE STATE AND ALSO FOR
SACRAMENTO ELECTRIC VEHICLE
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON SYLVIA SOLUTION ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY OF WEST
HOLLYWOOD IN SUPPORT THANK YOU.
JIM LINDBERG ON BEHALF OF THE
FRIENDS COMMITTEE ON LEGISLATION
CALIFORNIA IN SUPPORT. JOHN
BALLARD WITH CLEANERS FOR KIDS
AT OREGON STRONG SUPPORT. MR
CHAIRMAN MEMBERS ROGER DICKINSON
ON BEHALF OF CIVIC WELL FORMERLY
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMISSION
IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. JANET ****
FOR CLIMATE ACTION CALIFORNIA
SANTA CRUZ CLIMATE ACTION
NETWORK INDIVISIBLE CALIFORNIA
GREEN TEAM AND THE SILICON
VALLEY CHAPTER OF CLIMATE
REALITY IN STRONG SUPPORT THANK
YOU. JOSH EMMETT SONG ON BEHALF
OF ENVIRONMENT CALIFORNIA AND
CAL PERK IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
THIS BILL THANK YOU. I NOW DO WE
HAVE ANY WITNESSES IN THE
HEARING ROOM IN OPPOSITION
PLEASE. YEAH MISTER CHAIR
MEMBERS JULIE MELANAU SKI BALL
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
ELECTRIC TRANSPORTATION
COALITION REGRETFULLY AND
OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON THE
TICKETS ON A HEARING BEHALF OF
TESLA WITH THE TWEENER POSITION
WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE
MANDATE IS PREMATURE AND THAT
THE BILL SHOULD FOCUS ON FURTHER
STUDY THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
HE WENT ON SOME OF POLITICAL
SOLUTIONS ON BEHALF OF HONDA IN
OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON
ELAINE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF
CAL START RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED
UNLESS AMENDED THANK YOU.
KRISHNAMURTHY CALIFORNIA
TRUCKING ASSOCIATION JUST WANT
TO THANK THE AUTHOR AND STAFF
FOR MEETING WITH US WITH THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS- WILL BE
REMOVING OPPOSITION THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS PLEASE.
MEMBERS SHALL. I WANTED TO THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS
THEY- RELATIVELY NEW EVEY DRIVER
AND THE LAST YEAR HI I'M
DEFINITELY WAS LOOKING AT CARS
THAT HAD BI DIRECTIONAL
UNFORTUNATELY IT'S REALLY KIND
OF THE BIG TRUCKS IT SEEMS LIKE
AT THIS POINT. WHO MOSTLY HAVE
THOSE OPTIONS- SO WAS AN OPTION
FOR ME I GUESS MY QUESTION IS-
MORE AROUND. UPTAKE LIKE I RIGHT
NOW COULD NOT PUT MY HOUSE INTO
MY CAR EVEN IF I COULD DO THAT
AND SO WHAT IS LIKE WHAT ARE YOU
SEEN ON THE HORIZON OR WHAT IS-
THE FUTURE OF THIS AND HOW ARE
WE GOING TO BE MAKING THE
MODIFICATIONS THAT WE NEED TO BE
ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE
TECHNOLOGY LIKE THIS. CERTAINLY
OF THROUGH THE CHAIR- I
APPRECIATE THE QUESTION ACTUALLY
THERE ARE A FEW MORE MODELS THAT
NISSAN LEAF HAS ALWAYS HAD BI
DIRECTIONAL CAPABILITY. TASSLER
WELL THEY INDICATED THEIR TEEN-
THEY'VE ALREADY TWEENER THEY
HAVE ALREADY ANNOUNCED THAT ALL
OF THEIR MODELS WILL BE BI
DIRECTIONAL BY TWENTY TWENTY
FIVE AND THEY ARE. THE E. V.
MANUFACTURER THAT SELLS MORE
EV'S IN CALIFORNIA THAN ANY
OTHER- AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH
RIGHT NOW. ANY E. V. OWNER
WHETHER THAT CAN BASICALLY.
CONVERT THEIR CAR SUCH WAY AND
THEY'RE AND WITH AN INVERTER ON
THEIR HOUSE USE IT TO POWER
THEIR HOUSE. NOW THAT IT'S-
THERE'S BEEN MANY ARTICLES YOU
CAN LOOK UP NEW YORK TIMES
FEATURED AN ARTICLE ABOUT THIS
ABOUT. A RESIDENTS IN COLORADO
AND- IN NEW MEXICO WHO DO THIS
USED THEIR CHEVY BOLTS AND SUCH-
BUT WHAT I'M HOPING I MEAN THAT.
THAT COULD DO DAMAGE IF YOU
DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE
DOING. AND SO PART OF THIS
INTEREST AND OF COURSE THEY WERE
DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE
SUBJECTED TO BLACKOUTS SO IF THE
WE DON'T WANT TO BE SUBJECT TO
BLACKOUT SO WE'RE GOING TO. YOU
KNOW- JERRY REGARDING AND SO YOU
KNOW WHAT I'M HOPING IS THAT WE
DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THAT
SITUATION. AND THAT WE COULD
HAVE ALL MODELS- BE AVAILABLE
THAT WAY AND THEN- PEOPLE CAN
ELECT TO USE IT THAT WAY OR NOT.
AND IN TERMS OF THE TIME IMPACT
ON. BATTERY LIFE AND WARRANTIES
THE TWO VEHICLES AVAILABLE VERY
TO US NOW THAT HAVE THIS
CAPABILITY. THEY OFFER FOR
EXAMPLE THE- NISSAN LEAF HAS A-
WARRANTY ON THE VEHICLE AND THE
BATTERY OF TEN YEARS OR HUNDRED
FIFTY THOUSAND MILES AND THE
FORD ONE FIFTY. HAS A WARRANTY
OF EIGHT YEARS OR A HUNDRED
THOUSAND MILES- SHOW ANYWAY I
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THOSE TWO
THINGS AND THEN LASTLY MEAN. I
APPRECIATE. I DO VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE THAT NEW HOME HENNY
FRACTURE LIKE SO AS TO PUT
MANDATES I THINK WE ALL EVERY
COMMITTEE WE DEAL WITH THIS- BUT
I WANT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD I
DON'T WANT ANY CONSUMER TO BE
DISADVANTAGED. AND I RECALL MY
EXPERIENCE WITH DOING THE ENERGY
STORAGE BILL WHICH I DID IN
TWENTY TEN. AND INTO IT WAS
IMPLEMENTATION IN TWENTY ELEVEN
AND WE DIRECTED THE P. YOU SEE
TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH. UTILITY
GREAT ENERGY STORAGE UTILITY
SHOULD BUY WHEN THEY PURCHASE.
ENERGY IN ANTICIPATION THAT WE
ARE MOVING MORE AND MORE TO
RENEWABLE ENERGY AND NOW IF YOU
REMOVED ENERGY SINCE IT'S NOT
TWENTY FOUR SEVEN. ELECTRICITY
YOU BETTER HAVE SOME STORAGE
CAPABILITY. SO THE P. YOU SEE
DID THEIR DATE- PUT IN A VERY
MODEST MANDATE WITHIN TWO YEARS.
WITHIN TWO YEARS EVERY UTILITY
HAD EXCEEDED OPEN AND WIDE BY
FIELD TO MENTION THAT AT THE
POINT WE DID THE BILL. EVERYONE
LAUGHED THEY SAID THIS IS
UNAVAILABLE THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY
THAT'S NEVER IT'S NOT AVAILABLE
IT'S NOT PROVEN IT'S NOT. AND
WITHIN TWO YEARS CALIFORNIA
EVERY UTILITY HAD EXCEEDED THEIR
PURCHASE OF ENERGY STORAGE AND
IN THE LAST- HEAT WAVE IN
SEPTEMBER WE PUT. MORE ENERGY
STORAGE CAPABILITY ON THE GRID
THEN THE DIABLO CANYON POWER
PLANT PRODUCES IF YOU HAD TWO OF
THEM. SO ANYWAY I JUST WANT TO
PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT THAT YES.
YOU KNOW THE THERE MAY BE NEEDS
TO BE MORE ADVANCES BUT WE'RE
SENDING THE RIGHT MARKET SIGNAL
. I COULD JUST ASK A COUPLE SO
FOR THE OPPOSITION NEED YOU SAID
THAT THIS COULD BE A
DISINCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO PART
I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW
IT WOULD JUST AS AS THE
INCREASED COSTS AND- THE CENTER
MENTIONED THERE'S MORE AS WELL
THE WARRANTY. PROGRAM UNDER THE
NEW ADVANCE CLEAN CAR TO
REGULATIONS TO STARTED MODEL
TWENTY SIX. DO HAVE A TIME AND
MILEAGE- WARRANTY THAT HAVE TO
BE REQUIRED BY THE COMPANIES
WHICH AGAIN THEY DON'T THAT
MORTY DOESN'T START UNTIL TWENTY
SIX. OUR COMPANIES BASED ON
THEIR OWN STUDIES ARE BATTERY
MANUFACTURE MEMBERS INDEPENDENT
LABS AROUND THE COUNTRY SAY THAT
THESE MILEAGE BASED MORTY'S. WE
DON'T ARE GOING TO PUT A STRANGE
SHE'S MADE THIS USE OF THESE
AGAINST THE MILEAGE BASED ONES
WILL PUT A STRAIN ON THE
BATTERIES. AND OUR COMPANIES ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THE
COST TO COVER THOSE HE'S
POTENTIAL WARRANTY ISSUES OF BE
DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN BECAUSE THE
REGULATIONS ARE BASED ON MILEAGE
OF A CAR JUST SITTING THERE
CHARGING AND DISCHARGING IT'S
OBVIOUSLY NOT PUTTING ANY MILES-
WE ESTIMATE THAT COULD BE
SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS PER
VEHICLE. AND THOSE ARE AGAIN
ADDITIONAL COSTS- THAT- WEEK WE
THINK THE MARKET SHOULD BEAR. WE
AGAIN WE AGREE WITH. BI
DIRECTIONAL CHARGING. SORRY WHEN
YOU'RE ALL YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
ALARM TO TELL YOU TO TALK TO
YOUR META SORRY. I. HE. GET
REPORT WE BELIEVE IN THIS AND WE
HAVE HEARD A FEW TIME ABOUT THE-
ABSOLUTELY. AND WITH IT WE
BELIEVE THE PROMISE OF THIS
TECHNOLOGY IS THERE. THE MARKET
WILL WHETHER IT'S HIGH AND LOW
IN DEALS OUR COMPANIES ARE IN
BUSINESS TO SELL CARS. THAT
PEOPLE WANT IF THEY WANT THIS BI
DIRECTIONAL CAPABILITY THEY WILL
HAVE IT. AGAIN OUR ISSUE IS NOT
WITH BI DIRECTIONAL CHARGING BUT
IT'S WITH. SETTING UP MANDATES
FOR PUTTING IT ON A CAR BEFORE
THE STANDARDS ARE DEVELOPED WE
JUST WANT TO BE IN CONCERT. WITH
THE 99% OF THE REST OF THE BILL
THAT LAYS IT OUT HOW THIS IS
GOING TO BE DONE PUT ONTO THE
GRID PUT INTO HOMES ETCETERA
IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE. A BRIEF
CLARIFICATION THE RECOMMENDED
WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN PUT IN
EFFECT YET BUT THE RECOMMENDED
WARRANTIES THAT ARE BEING
REFERENCED ARE UNDER. THE
MILEAGE WARRANTIES OF THE
VEHICLES THAT I MENTIONED. AND
WITH STORAGE AND WOOD SO WHEN
YOU'RE ESTIMATING THE HOW IT
COULD REDUCE THE LIFE OF THE
BATTERY. WHAT ARE THE
ASSUMPTIONS AROUND USE BECAUSE
RIGHT NOW MOST PEOPLE CAN'T.
PLUG THEIR CAR INTO THEIR HOUSE
AND CHARGE THEIR HOUSE IT SEEMS
LIKE IT WOULD BE A PRETTY
LIMITED USE- AND SO HAVING A
HUGE IMPACT ON THE LIFE OF THE
BATTERY SEEMS A LITTLE UNLIKELY
AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME REALLY
WELL I WOULD SAY IT'S- IF THE
PROMISE. OF THE BILL IS THAT
EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THIS THE
IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO
BE LIMITED. IT'S IT EITHER IS
GOING TO BE THE BEST SOLUTION TO
SOLVE OUR GRID PROBLEMS OR IT'S
GOING TO BE LIMITED AS YOU'RE
SUGGESTING. IT SO IF IT'S WONDER
IF IT'S IF THE PROMISE OF THE
BILL COMES TO BE THAN. THAT
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONVERT
THEIR HOUSES AND SO THAT'S GOING
TO AFFECT THE BATTERIES RIGHT I
CAN SEE THAT HAPPENING OVER TIME
I THINK IT'S A CARTON THE HORSE
SITUATION WHERE. WE HAVE TO MAKE
IT AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE
INCENTIVIZE THEM ACTUALLY MAKING
THESE KINDS OF TRANSITIONS IN
THEIR LIVES DAILY LIVES TO.
THINK. REMARK ISN'T IT A MEMBER
CURRENTLY. I WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR FOR THIS BILL FORWARD ON
THIS IS REALLY INNOVATIVE AND
FORWARD THINKING. AND THE
CHALLENGE AS THE OPPOSITION IS
DESCRIBED AS YOU KNOW HOW DO WE
GET FROM HERE TO THERE BUT WE
CAN'T GET THERE AND LESS WE
START IN ASK THE MANUFACTURERS
TO MAKE THAT THE COOK CARE CARS
CAPABLE OF DOING THIS. AND
THERE'S SO MUCH- BENEFITS
COMMUNITY WIDE STATEWIDE FROM
THE SKILLED SOLUTION THAT WE
CAN'T LET THE PERFECTION GET IN
THE WAY AND IN THE WAY OF GOOD.
AND BY DOING THIS BILL I THINK
WE PIECE OF THE MARK VERY HIGH
OUT THERE. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE
TIME TO PICK THE CHANGES TO THE
GRID INTO THE HOMEOWNERSHIP. ON
INCENTIVE PROGRAMS TO MAKE THIS
REALIZABLE IN INDIA. THERE MAY
BE A POINT WHERE THE WARRANTY
ISSUE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AND
THAT MAYBE FOLKS HAVE A CHOICES
TO HAVE IN. A WARRANTY. THAT
BETTER PROTECTS THEM FROM
DRIVING VERSES USING THEIR CARS
A STORAGE DEVICE BUT THESE ARE
ISSUES. THAT WON'T EVEN COME UP
AND WILL BE A CHALLENGE UNLESS
WE SET THE BAR TODAY. BY ASKING
THE MANUFACTURERS TO BUILD THE
CARS ARE POSSIBLE TO DO THIS.
THANK YOU LARGE. TO CONCUR. AT
THIS POINT- REALLY APPRECIATE
THIS BILL- IT'S AN ISSUE I'VE
AND LONG INTERESTED AND- GLAD TO
SEE ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS- HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE CLIMATE CENTER
SUPPORTING IT- I THINK IT
ACCOMPLISHES A COUPLE GOALS IT
MOVES US TOWARD OUR ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLE GO ALL. WHILE
ALSO- CONTINUING TO ELECTRIFY-
OUR SOCIETY AND BUILDINGS AND
PROVIDE MORE STORAGE. IT'S AN
INNOVATIVE WAY TO DO THAT IT
LOOKS LIKE THE- AMENDMENTS- LOOK
SAW IT IN TERMS OF BEATING OUT
THE REPORT- I JUST SAW IT AS
MORE POINT BLANK. D.
OPPOSITION'S CONCERN ABOUT THE
TWENTY THIRTY DEADLINE AND-
FEASIBILITY VIS A VIS TECHNOLOGY
IN TERMS OF MEETING THAT IT
SOUNDS REASONABLE. BUT I THOUGHT
I WOULD GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY. TO
BOTH SIDES BUT CERTAINLY. THE
PROPONENT ON- SOLIDIFYING THE
FEASIBILITY- STE. OUR COLLEAGUE
WHO'S IN OPPOSITION REYES BUT I
. WHEN YOU HAVE THE MANUFACTURER
WHO SELLS MORE EV'S THAN ANYBODY
ELSE ALREADY INSTATED CALIFORNIA
ALREADY ANNOUNCING THEY'RE GOING
TO HAVE ALL OF THEIR MODELS BI
DIRECTIONAL BY TWENTY TWENTY
FIVE. YOU HAVE THE NISSAN LEAF
ALWAYS HAS ALWAYS BEEN BI
DIRECTIONAL YOU HAVE TO FORD ONE
FIFTY BEING AGGRESSIVELY
ADVERTISE BY FORD A FURTHER BI
DIRECTIONAL CAPABILITY- I DON'T
WANT TO SAY I'M BEING NAIVE BUT
IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS THERE'S A
CAPABILITY FOR THIS. AND THAT
THE WARRANTIES WOULD INDICATE
WHERE THEY ALREADY ANTICIPATED
NOW THEY ALREADY ANTICIPATED
THAT THAT THE VEHICLE MAY BE
USED FOR THIS PURPOSE. NOW WE'VE
BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE
GRID BUT MY OBJECTIVE HERE IF I
WAS INTERESTED PRIMARILY IN THE
IN THE GRID OVERHAUL IN TERMS OF
SAY PROVIDING A LARGE
ELECTRICITY SOURCE THE GRID I
WOULD BE FOCUSED ON TRYING TO DO
THIS FOR FLEETS. THAT LARGE
NUMBERS AND SO WHAT I'M REALLY
TRYING TO DO HERE AND I THINK
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE
DONE AND I'M ACTUALLY I'M PRETTY
CONFIDENT THAT MANY OF THE LARGE
FLEET OWNERS WILL BEGIN TO
DEMAND IT THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF
THE ADVANTAGE TO THEM IF YOU
THINK ABOUT AMAZON IN THEIR
WAREHOUSES THEY'RE GOING TO
WANT. THOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE
SITTING IN THE PARKING LOT TO BE
POWER IN THEIR WAREHOUSE RATHER
THAN PAYING A HIGH ELECTRICITY
BILL. BUT INDEPENDENT OF THAT.
WHAT I'M REALLY MY OBJECTIVE
HERE IS THAT SO THE CONSUMER WHO
BUYS SEABEES AS OF TWENTY THIRTY
IS NOT PUT AT A DISADVANTAGE.
AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE A
SITUATION WHERE AGAIN AS I
MENTIONED IT'S WE'VE BEEN MOVES
IN THE DIRECTION OF ONLY THE
HIGHEST END. EV'S YOU KNOW AT-
OFFERING THIS AND TRYING TO
ATTRACT AND THEN OTHER CONSUMERS
WHO ARE MOST WILL MOST SUFFER
WITH THEIR ENERGY BILLS
ELECTRICITY BILLS. AND YOU WILL
HAVE TO BUY A MUCH MORE
AFFORDABLE IF YOU WOULD NOT BE
PUT AT A DISADVANTAGE SO. THAT'S
VERY MUCH MY OBJECTIVE HERE.
WHAT YES WELL AGAIN WE LISA BY
TO I HAVE BEEN GIVEN EXPLANATION
OF WHY TWENTY THIRTY- AGAIN THE
STANDARDS NEED TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND WE KEEP AN EYE OUT WE KEEP
HEARING ALL IT'S ONLY GOING TO
BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE VEHICLES
BUT YET IN THE TESTIMONY TO THE
SUPPORT OF THE BILL. HE SAYS
IT'S IN THE CHEAPEST ONES THE
FUTURE. SO YOU KNOW IT CAN'T BE
BOTH THEY CANNOT BE ONLY FOR THE
MOST EXPENSIVE. WHEN THE LOWEST
COST VEHICLE IS SIGHTED. AGAIN
WE BELIEVE LET'S JUST BE PART OF
THE STUDY WE'RE NOT AGAINST BI
DIRECTIONAL CHARGING WE KNOW
THAT IT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT
IN THE FUTURE. BUT LET'S WAIT TO
WERE ALL ON THE SAME ESTABLISHED
REPORTS CYCLE AND OUR COMPANIES
WILL DO IT AND THEN. AGAIN IF
THE PROMISED A BI DIRECTIONAL IS
REALLY. GET IT IT'S QUITE SIMPLY
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT. THE DATE WAS
NEVER BEEN EXPLAINED TO US IN
EITHER TIME BEFORE WHEN IT WAS
FIRST TWENTY SEVEN AND THEN
BECAME THIRTY IT'S NEVER BEEN
EXPLAINED TO US. WE'D AGAIN JUST
WANT TO BE PART OF THE STUDY TO
MAKE SURE THAT OUR VEHICLES ARE
BEING DEVELOPED. IN THE SAME WAY
THAT THE REST OF THE GRID AND
HOUSING SUPPLY CENTER AND IT'S
NOT JUST US THAT HAS THAT
CONCERN. I THINK COURAGE TO TAKE
A LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS- THAT
THOSE CONCERNS ARE LAID OUT
QUITE CAN SUPPORT AND BETTER
THAN I CAN SAY THAT- TODAY AND
AGAIN. WE SIMPLY WOULD LIKE TO
HAVE THE BILL. BE AMENDED SO
THAT WE ARE PART OF THE STUDY
LET'S NOT HAVE ANY PREDETERMINED
OUTCOMES BEFORE THE- STUDY IS
DONE. YEAH JUST A FOLLOW UP BY I
DID READ THE ANALYSIS- AT THE
SAME TIME I AM STRUCK BY THE
FACT THAT. WE ARE LEAPING AHEAD.
IN THIS MARKET PLACE I MEAN
THERE THERE'S EVEN SOME SIDE. OR
MOVEMENT STATEWIDE TO EVEN MOVE
UP TO A 100% JOB ADOPTION.
BEFORE TWENTY THIRTY FIVE EVEN
AS EARLY AS TWENTY THIRTY. SO I
HEAR YOU I THANK. WHAT WE CAN
PROGNOSTICATED BASED ON WHAT
WE'RE SEEING ALREADY THE FACT
THAT THERE IS A ROBUST STUDY
EMPLOYEES OR OTHER. FEATURES OF
I THINK WHERE WE'RE GOING AS
REFLECTED IN THIS BILL I THINK
AT THIS POINT I AM COMFORTABLE.
IN SUPPORTING AT ALL. AND
CERTAINLY NEED FOR APPROVAL. AND
THE MEMBER WHAT PLEASE. S. THANK
YOU APPRECIATE YOU BRING THIS
BILL ON A PLAN TO SUPPORT THE
BILL TODAY- I WAS ALSO. THAT THE
TESLA ALREADY DONE THIS QUITE
FRANKLY- ALSO EVEN MORE PUZZLED
THAT THEY WERE IN OPPOSITION
OPPOSITION LEADER TWEET. OKAY
WELL IT'S GONNA BE YOU HAVE TO
GET GET A BY TWO TWENTY FIVE NOT
SURE WHY AND WHY TWEENER THE BUT
BUT- I AM CURIOUS- OBVIOUSLY
THERE'S SOME TECHNOLOGY INVOLVED
IN SO. I KNOW WHEN I HAVE AN
ELECTRIC CAR AND WHEN I BOUGHT
THE CAR- THE ACTUALLY THE
CHARGER OUR OUR- CCA- ACTUALLY
YOU ABLE TO GET THE CHARGER FOR
FREE- BUT THE INSTALLATION COST
WAS WAS THE STICKER SHOCK. AND
AND SO APPRECIATE APPRECIATE
THERE'S NOTHING REALLY FREE- AS
AS THE SAYING GOES BUT- I AM
CURIOUS- WITH THE BI DIRECTIONAL
TECHNOLOGY IN THE CAR. WHAT IS
THE COST OR WHAT WHAT IS A
TECHNOLOGY LOOK LIKE TO ACTUALLY
DO THIS FOR A HOUSE BECAUSE FIVE
SOLAR PANELS SO. THIS THIS IS
REALLY INTRIGUING- BECAUSE LIKE
THAT AT HOME I JUST I CAN PLUG
IN AND I PLUG IN YOU KNOW IT'S
TIME WHICH- YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S
SUNNY WHICH IN OFFICE. AND SO
BUT I AM CURIOUS IS WHAT IS THE
COST OF THE TECHNOLOGY AT THE
HOME LEVEL OR THE OR THE. SITE
WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE
DOING THAT BECAUSE- WELL KEPT
CAPACITY WE'RE GONNA ASK PASSAGE
BE IN THE CAR. IS IT GOING TO BE
REFORM FOR THE CONSUMER TO
ACTUALLY DO THIS THEY CHOOSE TO
DO THAT- D. D. R. ON THE DO IT
YOUR- THEY SPEND AS AS EIGHT
DOLLARS. AND THAT WAS EVEN WITH
VEHICLES THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE
CAPABILITY SO THEY SPEND EIGHTY
DOLLARS TO BOTH DO WHATEVER THEY
DID TO THE VEHICLE INTO THEIR
HOME. BUT NOW AGAIN I AM NOT
RECOMMENDING THAT EVERYONE DO
THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN.
DO IT IN A MORE OF A- THE MORE
WHATEVER- SAFER. HERE SURE DO
WAY. AND THE- THE CHARGING- THE-
THE TYPE OF INVERTER AND
CHARGING THINGS THAT YOU COULD
PUT ON YOUR HOME. ARE THEY'RE
REALLY ABOUT IT THE SAME COST AS
AS THE TYPE OF CHURCH YOU HAD TO
GET FOR YOUR HOUSE NOW- THEY
ARE. THERE'S NOT AS MANY MODELS
AVAILABLE BUT AGAIN BY TWENTY
THIRTY IF CARS ALL HAVE BI
DIRECTIONAL CAPABILITY THERE
WILL BE MORE. AND I'M ACTUALLY
SINCE YOU MENTIONED CCA'S ARMS I
WOULD GUESS I WOULD PROJECT THAT
CCA'S WILL START TO MARKET THIS
ALSO. BECAUSE THEY WILL SEE IT
ESPECIALLY IN AREAS LIKE YOURS-
ASSEMBLY MEMBER WOULD WHERE THEY
THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO
BE FREQUENT BLACKOUTS. THEY
WOULD BE TRYING TO UTILIZE IT IN
A WAY AS A FORM OF STORAGE TO BE
ABLE TO DEAL WITH DEMAND
ESPECIALLY IF THEY- ARE PUT IF
WE INCREASE THE REQUIREMENTS ON
DEMAND- DEMAND MANAGEMENT ON
VARIOUS A PART LOAD SERVING
ENTITIES. SO ANYWAY SO THAT'S A
LONG WINDED QUESTION TO ANSWER
BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE
THERE WILL BE MORE OF THESE
CHARGING- OF MODELS AVAILABLE
AND THE INVERTERS AVAILABLE
AGAIN AS THE VEHICLES. WITH
CAPABILITY ARE AVAILABLE. BUT I
THINK YOU TO THE CHAIR OF YOU
AND I KNOW THAT KNOW THAT IN THE
NOW OF SO THAT THE CHARGER FOR
THE F. ONE FIFTY. IS LIKE
HUNDRED DOLLARS BUT THE CHARGER
FOR THE TEST FIVE FIFTY SO AND
I'M I'M GUESSING JUST MAYBE MORE
BASED ON THE NUMBER THAT HAVE
BEEN DEVELOPED OR WHATEVER BUT
THAT'S THAT'S A- THREE LEVEL
THAT'S OUR BIG DIFFERENCE THERE
SO- SO YOU GONNA HAVE TO WANT TO
USE THAT- OTHERWISE YOU PROBABLY
WON'T USE IT. SO AND WHEN YOU
START TALKING ABOUT THAT SO
ANYWAY SUPPORT AS FOR WHAT
YOU'RE DOING HERE AND I AND I
THINK YOU BRING THE BEFORE. YOUR
MEMBERS. SENATE WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE- I THINK VERY GOOD
DISCUSSION YOU'RE A- THANK YOU
APPRECIATE THAT- WE DO HAVE A
QUORUM WE WHEN HAVE STAFF A
QUARTER THEN WE WILL BE TAKING
UP THE VOTE. AND I WOULD TO ASK
THIS TO TRY TO CALL THE ABSENT
MEMBERS PLAY. THANK YOU THANK.
HE NEXT UP SO MUG. PLEASE S. B.
TO A. SIX
OKAY. MOTIONS AND. THANK YOU
MUCH MISTER CHAIR. HOW GOOD PER
SIR. I MEAN CHAIRING COMMITTEE
TO SUFFERS FROM US FAR AS SAFETY
YOU FROM ME TO BE WITH YOU TODAY
IN WHY I ALSO THE INCREDIBLE
WORK DO CHAIR INTO THE ALSO TO
THIS AND OF COURSE WILL BE EXIT
IN THE IN TODAY ALSO WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU TO IS MEMBER. UP FOR
BEING A AUTHOR ON A B. TWO
EIGHTY SIX IN GREAT FOR HIS
TREMENDOUS PART ON KNOWLEDGE OF
OFF WIND UP IN HUMBLE COUNTY
WELL I'LL BE QUICK ENOUGH. SB
TWO SIX THREE A COASTAL COME DO
YOU ITS KIND. USE PERMANENT FOR
NEW TO DELAY AND TRANSMISSION OF
OFFSHORE WIND ENERGY PROJECTS
THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS
EXPECTED TO SHAPE THREE TO FIVE
YEARS THREE TO FIVE YEARS OFF OF
THE TOTAL PERMITTING PROCESS
THAT'S A GAME CHANGER SB TWO
EIGHTY SIX WILL ALSO DESIGNATE
THE STATE LANDS COMMISSION AS A
LEAD SEQUEL AGENCY AS THEY ARE
ALREADY THE STATE AGENCY STAFFED
UP TO HANDLE SEE WHAT IN STATE
WATERS AT THIS BILL WILL MOVE
THE STATE FORWARD. TO BE ABLE TO
MEET OUR CLEAN ENERGY GOALS
WHILE PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT
PERFECT PRESERVING THOSE
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE GOING TO BE
DEPENDENT ON THIS ENERGY. WITH
ME TODAY AND GRATEFUL TO HAVE
AND THE HANGING WITH THE
CALIFORNIA STATE BUILDING TRADES
COUNCIL. AND SHAWN DRAPER THE
CALIFORNIA COAST COMMISSION IT'S
GOOD TO SEE BOTH YOU. AT THE
APPROPRIATE TIME WOULD
RESPECTFULLY ASK. FOR AN AYE
VOTE MISTER CHAIR. THANK YOU.
FOR THIS TWO MINUTES APIECE.
HAVE YOU MAY BE. GOOD AFTER.
ERIN LEHANE ARE PROBABLY ON THE-
OF. THAT HALF A MILLION. HARD
WORKING MEMBERS OF THE STATE
BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES
COUNCIL IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL.
I DON'T THINK. I NEED TO TELL
EVERY BODY AND THIS COMMITTEE
CERTAINLY THAT OUR POWER GRID IS
OVER BURDENED AS IT IS. WE NEED
TO MOVE FAST OFFSHORE WIND
PRESENTS A GREAT POTENTIAL FOR
ENERGY PRODUCTION IN THE STATE
OF CALIFORNIA. AND GREAT
POTENTIAL TO THE CONSTRUCTION
WORKERS WHO WILL BUILD THE
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THE TURBANS
NECESSARY TO SUPPORT. OUR THE
POTENTIAL- WE HAVE BEEN PLEASED
TO WORK WITH SENATOR MCGUIRE ON
THIS BILL I THINK WE'VE BEEN
WORKING FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WHAT
THE SENATOR ON OFFSHORE WIND
DEVELOPMENT WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE
WHAT IT WILL DO IN THE NORTH
STATE IN HIS DISTRICT. AND
AROUND THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR
SUPPORT OF THIS IMPORTANT BILL
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
MEMBERS I'M SEAN DRAKE SENIOR
LEGISLATIVE ANALYST FOR THE
CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION
THE COAST COMMISSION SUPPORTS S.
B. TWO EIGHTY SIX. IN THE
INTEREST OF TIME I'LL JUST SAY
THAT SB TWO EIGHTY SIX PRESERVES
THE INTEGRITY OF THE COASTAL ACT
WHILE ALSO PROVIDING. AN
EXPEDITED PATHWAY FOR PERMITTING
OFFSHORE WIND PROJECTS THAT
HONORS LOCAL POLICIES. WHEN I
THANK THE SENATOR FOR HIS
LEADERSHIP AND I'M HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THANK YOU.
THE NEXT STUDY WE HAVE A-
PRIMARY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION
PLEASE. I DON'T SEE ANY. WE'RE
BACK NOW GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC
COMMENT. ANY WITNESSES IN THE
HEARING ROOM HERE IN SUPPORT
PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON MR VICE
CHAIR ALEX JACKSON WITH THE
AMERICAN CLEAN POWER ASSOCIATION
ON BEHALF OF OUR DIVERSE
MEMBERSHIP INCLUDING THE FIVE
OFFSHORE WIND LEASE HOLDERS WE
HAD INITIALLY SUBMITTED A LETTER
CONCERNED BUT WE GREATLY
APPRECIATE STATEMENT EXTENSIVE
ENGAGEMENT WITH THE ALTERNATE
STAFF BASED ON THE MOST RECENT
AMENDMENTS WE GONNA RETRACT THAT
LETTER AND MOVED TO SUPPORT
THANK YOU. HELLO ME HOLY CARE ON
BEHALF OF THE SURFRIDER
FOUNDATION IN STRONG SUPPORT
THANK YOU. MISTER MEMBERS BRIAN
WHY DON'T HAVE ARE SHOWING
CALIFORNIA WE ALSO ALSO
CONCERNED ABOUT THE PREVIOUS
VERSION THE BILL THE BILL IS
MUCH BETTER NOW WE WILL ALSO BE
MOVING TO A SUPPORT- ONCE WE GET
THAT DONE WE SHOULD JUST. THANK
YOU MELISSA CORTEZ OF
GOVERNMENTAL ADVOCATES ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA WEST FISH
PRODUCERS ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT
. MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS JOE
LEVINE WITH PLASMA VISORS ON
BEHALF OF THE PACIFIC- SKEWS ME
THE FEDERATION OF PACIFIC
FISHERMEN'S ASSOCIATIONS THANK
YOU. JANET **** FOR CLIMATE
ACTION CALIFORNIA IN THE SANTA
CRUZ CLIMATE ACTION NETWORK
THANKS. AT ANY WITNESSES. ANY
WITNESSES HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM IN OPPOSITION PLEASE COME
FORWARD. RIGHT SHOULD NOT. ANY
OF. ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS.
MMHM THAT COULD. HAVE ACROSS WE
WILL GET A QUORUM. FOR WE CAN DO
THAT. YEAH SENATOR WAS ELECTED.
WOULD RISK ASK FOR AN AYE VOTE
GREAT APPRECIATE AT THE PARTNER
WITH THE COASTAL COMMISSION.
WITH THE TRADES CAL KNOW SOMEONE
SAY THANK YOU CHRIS NIELSEN THE
OFFICE FOR ALL HIS WORK THIS-
IT'S A LONG JOURNEY BUT REALLY
P. IT MISTER CHAIR IN I AGAIN
THAT WE RESPECTFULLY FOR AND I
AT MOST TIME. AND ALL AMERICA
PER OF A CORE. I THANK. SURE
DOES ALL RIGHT.
GOOD MORNING THANK YOU ARE
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I
FIRST WANT TO START OUT TO
HONEST BEFORE TEND TO SAY WE'RE
ACCEPTING ALL OF THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS. LITTLE TALK A LITTLE
BIT OF THE BILL COURSE POSSIBLY
FOR UTILITIES IS TO CONNECTING
TO THE GRID THINGS LIKE NEW
HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS HOW MUCH
VACATION UPGRADING EVEY
CHARGERS. UNFORTUNATELY
CALIFORNIA'S GOVERNMENT GRANTED
ELECTRICITY MONOPOLIES
PARTICULARLY PEACHY NAY ARE
FAILING TO PERFORM THESE
CORRESPONDS ABILITIES
CALIFORNIANS ARE EXPERIENCING
EXTREME DELAYS IN THE TIME IT
TAKES FOR UTILITIES TO COMPLETE
THESE ENERGIES ATION OF PROJECTS
FROM SIX MONTHS EVEN UP TO ONE
OR TWO YEARS. IT SHOULD NOT TAKE
SIX MONTHS FREE CHILI UPGRADE
YOUR DISTRIBUTION LINE. IT'S
SERVICE LEGISLATURE HOLD PEACH
NAY ACCOUNTABLE AND WE BELIEVE
THIS BILL DOES THAT IN MY
DISTRICT I'M DEALING WITH LIKE
MANY OF YOU INTERCONNECTION
DELAY ISSUES ALMOST EVERY WEEK
EIGHTY USE THAT COPY ENERGIZED
RESOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS FAST
CHARGERS THAT DON'T GET
INSTALLED FOR MORE THAN A YEAR
HOSTELLING THAT WASN'T CONNECTED
FOR OVER. A YEAR WAS COST TO THE
THEY'RE LOSING A MILLION DOLLARS
A MONTH. CLOSE LIKE MANY OF YOU
HAVE BEEN I SPEND A LOT OF THIS
YEAR I. DID A BILL VERY FIRST.
IN ALLEGE SB SIXTY EIGHT
ATTEMPTED TO DEAL WITH THIS
ISSUE- THIS BILL REQUIRES A PC
TO PLANET SET GUIDANCE FOR HOW
TO ACCOMMODATE THESE. GROWING
ELECTRICITY GRID CONNECTION
REQUESTS IN ORDER REDUCE CURRENT
DELAYS AND PREEMPTIVELY PREVENT
FUTURE DELAYS. DO SO THE PC IS
REQUIRED TO SET AN AVERAGE AND
MAXIMUM TIME FRAME WHICH IS
ELECTRICAL UTILITIES SHOULD
CONNECT CUSTOMERS TO THE GRID.
AFTER SYDNEY'S TARG HE TOLD
REQUIRED CREATE STRATEGY TO MEET
THESE TARGETS. ENSURING
INCLUDING INSURANCE SUFFICIENT
WORKFORCE TRAINING AND
DEVELOPMENT EQUITY ANNUAL
STANDARDS AND HOW TO IMPROVE
CURRENT DELAYS. IF NEED THE P.
YOU SEE IS PERMITTED. AS
PERMITTED EXCUSE ME TO TAKE
REMEDIAL ACTION TO ENSURE
COMPLIANCE. AND IF YOU SEE
ALREADY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO
LEVY PENALTIES AGAINST UTILITIES
IF THEY DON'T COMPLY. WELL
THROUGH THIS BILL THE PC FORCES
UTILITIES A PLAN TO SPEED UP TO
DEAL WITH A BACKLOG. THE
INCLUSION OF A TEMPORARY BALANCE
ACCOUNT IS UNFORTUNATE BUT
NECESSARY. WE SHOULD BE A HAPPY
THE P. G. FAILED TO SUFFICIENTLY
TO SUFFICIENTLY PLAN FOR THESE
DISTRIBUTION. SYSTEM UPGRADES
WHICH BE MAD THAT THE COMMISSION
IS NOT HELD THE CHILES FEET TO
THE FIRE. BUT THE CUSTOMER
SHOULD BE PUNISHED BY NOT BEING
ABLE TO MOVE INTO THEIR NEW
HOMES BUT NOT BE ABLE TO TURN
THEIR LIGHTS ON FOR NEW
BUSINESS. WE'RE NOT BEING ABLE
TO CHARGE THEIR NEW EVEY CAR AT
HOME. THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT TIMING
OF THE COST NOT ABOUT THE METRIC
WILL PAY I THINK IT'S A VERY
IMPORTANT PART OF. THE ISSUE IN
THIS MAY BE ECHOED THIS ISSUE IS
ABOUT THE CAN THE TIMING OF THE
COST NOT ABOUT THE AMOUNT
REPAIRS WILL PAY. THESE PROJECTS
ARE GETTING EITHER GOING TO
HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS OF
THIS BILL PASSES OR THEY WON'T
HAPPEN TILL AFTER TWENTY TWENTY
SEVEN. I WANT TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE FOR WORKING WITH US ON
SUBSTANTIAL GUARDRAILS TO
PROTECT RATE PAYERS. INCLUDING A
FEW THAT ARE MENTIONED CLOSING
THE BOUNCING ACCOUNT PROVISION
AFTER TWENTY TWENTY SIX.
REQUIRED THE PDC IS AN UP FRONT
CAP. ON THE ONE WAY BALANCING
ACCOUNTS. CLARIFIED JUST AND
REASONABLE REVIEW OF INCURRED
COSTS BY THE PC. PREVENTING ANY
COSTS FROM BEING RECOVERED
UNTIL. UTILITY EXCEEDS THEIR
FORECASTED ENERGY ENERGY DACIAN
PROJECTS IN THE GENERAL RATE
CASE. AND FINALLY. REQUIRING
USING THIS DATA. TO BETTER PLAN
IN THERE GENERATE CASES IN THE
FUTURE. FOR INCREASED. ENERGY
STATION PROJECT NEEDS. LASTLY
WANT TO MAKE. ANOTHER POINT IS
BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION
YESTERDAY. THAT FUNDS ALLOCATED
FROM THE JOB OF CANYON FUNDED SB
EIGHT FORTY SIX. I WERE
PERMITTED TO BE SPENT ON A
NUMBER OF ISSUES ONE OF WHICH-
INCLUDED X. ALREADY
INTERCONNECTIONS. IF THIS MONEY
WASN'T VISION TO BE SPENT ON
THINGS LIKE INTERCONNECTIONS. I
COULD FEASIBLY COVER SOME OF
THESE COSTS. WHICH MAKES SENSE
TO ME THAT IT SHOULD. I DO KNOW
THERE'S AN ONGOING PRISTINE THE
P. C. TO DETERMINE HOW THIS
MONEY BE ALLOCATED. AND WE'RE
OPEN TO EXPLORING THIS ISSUE
PARTICULAR WITH TURN WHO RAISED
IT WITH US GOING FORWARD. IN
CONCLUSION THE FORESIGHT
PLANNING AND FIXES FOR THIS BILL
WILL ENSURE THE CALIFORNIA
ELECTRICITY CUSTOMERS ARE
PROVIDED WITH A TIMELY. AND
NECESSARY ELECTRICITY SERVICE TO
HELP THE STATE MEET OUR CLIMATE
GOALS AND HOUSING NEEDS. WITH
US- TO ME TODAY ARE MARK JOSEPH-
HALF OF OUR SPONSOR COALITION OF
CALIFORNIA UTILITY EMPLOYEES AND
SCOTT WEDGEWOOD W. W. TO THE
PRIMARY WITNESSES- TWO MINUTES
EACH. AND WE HAVE A TIMER. THANK
YOU. CAN READ ABOUT. GO TO.
THANK YOU MR VICE CHAIR AND TO
COME. MANY IS MARK JOE FUNDING
OF THE COLOR OF. UTILITY THIS
COMMITTEE IS KEEN AWARE OF THE
FRUSTRATION MANY ELECTRIC
CUSTOMERS WHO CAN'T GET ELECTRIC
SERVICE FOR NEW HOMES FOR EASY
CHARGING FOR NEW BUSINESSES. WE
HEAR WAIT TIMES IN THE MONTHS OR
YEARS. THIS IS NOT OKAY. AS
BEFORE TENANTS PRAGMATIC BUILT
ACTUALLY TRY TO SOLVE THIS
PROBLEM IN FOUR WAYS. FIRST IT
DIRECTS THE PC TO SET TIME
TARGETS FOR ENERGIZING
CUSTOMERS. REQUIRES UTILITIES TO
REPORT ANNUALLY ON HOW THEY'RE
DOING. IF THEY FALL SHORT. THE
COMMISSION IS REQUIRED TO IMPOSE
REMEDIAL ACTIONS TO MEET THE
TARGETS. SECOND HE REQUIRES THE
UTILITIES TO IMPROVE THEIR
PLANNING. THERE'S NO REASON IN
THE FUTURE FOR THE AYE FOR THE
UTILITIES TO BE SURPRISED. BY
THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE
CUSTOMERS WHEN WE NOTE. THAT
CARS TRUCKS BUSES AND BUILDINGS
WILL BE ELECTRIFIED. THIRD IT
REQUIRES THE UTILITIES TO HAVE
ADEQUATE QUALIFIED STAFFING TO
GET THE WORK DONE ON TIME. AS WE
ELECTRIFY WE MUST HAVE THE
PEOPLE WITH ALL THE NEEDED
SKILLS. TO IMPLEMENT OUR PLANTS
. IN FOURTH IT AUTHORIZES THE
COMMISSION TO ADJUST RATES
ANNUALLY THROUGH THIS BALANCING
ACCOUNT. RATHER THAN EVERY FOUR
YEARS WHEN THE AMOUNT OF WORK
NEEDED TO ENERGIZED COSTS IS
GREATER THAN THE FORECAST. OTHER
FOR IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT THIS
PROVISION FIRST IT WOULD NOT
GIVE THE UTILITIES MORE MONEY
FOR THIS WORK THAN THEY
OTHERWISE WOULD GET. THEY JUST
GET IT SOONER. SO WE DON'T HAVE
A CASH FLOW CRUNCH BETWEEN RATE
CASES. SECOND EVERY EXPENDITURE
STILL GETS REVIEWED BY THE
COMMISSION AND MUST BE JUST AND
REASONABLE IT IS ONLY ABOUT
TIMING. NEXT THE AMOUNT WILL BE
KEPT BY THE COMMISSION. THIRD
AND THIS IS GOOD NEWS BY
INCREASING ELECTRIC USAGE BY
SELLING MORE KILOWATT HOURS WE
SPREAD THE FIXED COSTS OVER MORE
KILOWATT HOURS WHICH WOULD
DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON RATES WE
ARE ALREADY SEEING THIS
HAPPENING. AND FINALLY THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS ADD MORE
GUARDRAILS TO BE SURE THAT ALL
REPAIR MONEY IS SPENT ON
CLEARING THE ENERGY STATION
BACKLOG AND NOTHING ELSE. WE
URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS
PRAGMATIC. MISTER WEST WE HAVE A
QUORUM AND LET'S LET'S-
CALDERON. AND HAVE THE CORE.
GARCIA PATTERSON. PATTERSON HERE
ARE QUE HAND CARILLO. CHEN
CONNOLLY. CONNOLLY HERE HEART.
PART HERE MATHIS RESEARCHING
REYES HERE REYES HERE SANTIAGO.
SCHIAVO SHOVEL HERE TING TANG
HERE WALLACE WHAT. WHAT HERE
THAT'S ACCORDING TO. TWENTY TWO
I'M I AM SO SORRY CARILLO.
CARILLO HERE SHE. THANK AT
MISSED WHAT YOU MAY- RECEIVE NOW
I DO HAVE A CO AND WE WILL BE
TAKING A BOAT OUT ON THE- MISTER
CHAIRMAN SCOTT WHAT SHOULD BE A
THE STATUS. ELECT GORE AND I'M
GONNA THROW MY PREPARED
STATEMENT OF THE WAY I- MISTER
JOSEPH DID A VERY JOB IN THE I
LIKE TO BE A COUPLE ST FORT
POINTS- THERE'S PLENTY IN THIS
FOR THE UTILITY NOT TO LIE. MESS
FROM THE LAST WEEKS. ANSWER
PHONE CALLS FOR YOU. EXECUTIVES
NOT HAPPY WITH OUR SPONSORSHIP
OF MANY COMPONENTS OF THIS BILL-
AND THERE IS THERE'S A LOT
THERE'S- EVERYTHING IS BILLS
JUSTIFIED BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO
YOU KNOW FIX THE PROBLEM THAT'S
OUT THERE. BUT WE CAN'T BE
NAIVE. THE BIGGEST FACTOR HERE
IS NOT MISS MANAGER MISS
APPLICATION BY UTILITIES DESPITE
WITH THE FACT OF YOU KNOW OUR
RESPECTED A SPOT AUTHORS LIKE TO
SAY IT'S A CAPACITY ISSUE. OKAY
WE DIDN'T HAVE EVEN TEN YEARS
AGO ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN EVERY
THIRD GARAGE IN SIX SIXTY FIVE
INCH TV'S IN EVERY HOME AND FIVE
COMPUTERS AND ALL WE HAVE A LOAD
ISSUE WE HAVE A CAPACITY ISSUE.
IN THIS BILL BECAUSE OF ALL THE
HARD WORK OF THE AUTHOR AND THE
STAKEHOLDERS WHO PARTICIPATED
ADDRESSES IT FROM A HOLISTIC
PERSPECTIVE. BUT YOU CANNOT BE.
A HOT HARANGUING THE UTILITIES
TO GET THIS PROBLEM FIXED IF YOU
DON'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT THE
CURRENT GENERAL RATE CASE FOR
YOU'LL CYCLE DOES NOT PROVIDE
FOR THE AVAILABILITY OF THE
FUNDS ON A TIME FRAME. THAT
LEADS TO THE MOST STREAMLINED
AND EFFICIENT EXECUTION OF THIS
WORK YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
THE BOUNCING ACCOUNT HAS ALL OF
THE PROTECTIONS. THAT EXIST
TODAY IS MISTER JOSEPH DESCRIBED
ENSURING THAT THEY HAVE TO GO
THROUGH RESULT IN THIS REVIEW
THEY HAVE TO BE JUST AND
REASONABLE. AND FRANKLY RARELY
HAVE I SEEN IF YOU SEE APPROVED
A 100% OF ANYTHING ANY UTILITIES
EVER SUBMITTED FOR REFUND. BUT
THAT COMPONENT IS ABSOLUTELY
ESSENTIAL I REPRESENT THE FIFTY
PLUS THOUSAND MEMBERS ARE OUT
DOING THIS WORK EVERY DAY. AND
THEY'RE NOT OUT WORKING EVERY
DAY IN A LARGE OFTEN TIMES IT'S
BECAUSE THE WORK IS THERE. BUT
THE RESOURCES AREN'T THIS IS
ABSOLUTELY KEY COMPONENT TO
ADDRESSING THIS PROBLEM AND SO I
WOULD URGE A VERY THOUGHTFUL
CONSIDERATION IN AN AYE VOTE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU UP. THE
PRIMARY WITNESSES ENOUGH. ARE
YOU HERE. COME TO THE TABLE. AND
. FOR YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. ME
NINETY DOLLARS THANK YOU THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIRMAN FOR SIGNALS
HERNANDEZ ON BEHALF OF THE
UTILITY REFORM NETWORK OR TURN
WE HAVE AN OPPOSE UNLESS AMENDED
POSITION I WANT TO THANK THE
AUTHOR. ON THE OTHER STAFF FOR
ONGOING CONVERSATIONS AND IF THE
BILL MOVES FORWARD WILL
OBVIOUSLY CONTINUE THOSE
CONVERSATIONS AND HOPEFULLY
THEY'LL BE VERY PRODUCTIVE- ONE
OUT. THE AUTHOR TAKEN ON THIS
PROBLEM THERE THERE IS A PROBLEM
THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WE
UNDERSTAND THAT- UNFORTUNATELY
THE PROBLEM WITH THE BACKLOG- IS
OCCURRING AT THE SAME TIME THAT
THERE'S A- CRISIS OF
AFFORDABILITY- P. JEANNIE JUST
RAISE THE RATES 15% OVER THE
PAST YEAR. OVER THE PAST FOUR
YEARS OF- THEY RAISE THE RATES
FIFTY THREE PERCENT- JUST
RECENTLY LAST COUPLE OF YEARS
THE LEGISLATURE ALLOCATED
ACTUALLY SPENT ABOUT SIX FIVE
HUNDRED SIX HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS. A TO HELP RATE PAYERS
WHO WERE IN ARREARS- SO THAT
THEY WOULDN'T LOSE. THEIR
SERVICE AND WE JUST DID A
CALCULATION RECENTLY THAT THE
TOP FOUR I'LL USE CALIFORNIA IS
ABOUT TWO POINT ONE BILLION
DOLLARS IN A RESEARCH IS FOR A
UTILITY CUSTOMER SO THERE'S
STILL A LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT
NEED TO BE ADDRESSED SO. IN
CREATING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WE
HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS AND WE
HAVE TO TAKE EXTRA ORDINARY
STEPS WE THINK- TO CREATE.
SOMETHING LIKE THIS- SO IF YOU
THINGS IN THE OFF DEMENTIA- A
COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO THANK
THE COMMITTEE AS WELL FOR THE
AMENDMENTS WE CAN WAS IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION TO STILL HAVE
THREE OR FOUR. ISSUES THAT WE'D
LIKE TO SEE ONE WE LIKE TO SEE
THAT THE KERRY MY OWN WRITING
HERE- WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT
THE- CPC HAS THE DISCRETION TO
APPROVE THE CREATION BALANCING
ACCOUNT AND NOT BE AUTOMATIC. WE
THINK THAT'S CRITICAL THAT IS
ANOTHER WAY TO CHECK IT ON THE
FRONT END AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE-
TO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE
COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY IF
THE- TO IMPOSE PENALTIES. IF THE
UTILITY DOES NOT MEET THE
TIMELINES OR DOES NOT TAKE
REMEDIAL ACTION WE WANNA MAKE
THAT VERY CLEAR WHEN I WANT TO
MAKE THAT EVEN A LITTLE BIT
STRONGER. HOW WE ALSO WANT
ELIMINATING WAS MENTIONED BY THE
AUTHOR AND MIGHT NEED
CLARIFICATION I KNOW THERE IS A
LIMIT. ON THE TIME LINE IN THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS BUT WE WANT
TO MAKE CLEAR THAT- THAT WITH
THE BALANCE ACCOUNTS ARE CREATED
NOW ARE ONLY FOR THE CURRENT
BACKLOG. NOT FOR IN FUTURE.
FUTURE PROBLEMS WANTED TO KEEP
THAT VERY VERY NARROW- AND WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT- THAT WE
LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. ANOTHER
FUNDING THAT'S THERE ANY
PARTICULAR DIABLO CANYON. OF
FUNDING THAT WAS REYES WE THINK
THAT ABSOLUTELY IS ONE
AUTHORIZED UNDER THE PLAIN.
LANGUAGE OF THE BILL WAS PASSED
AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. AND TWO
IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE
THE COMMISSION IS CURRENTLY
STARTING TO ACCEPT TESTIMONY.
AND COMMENTS AND BE WORKING ON
WHAT TO DO IN THE PLANS WILL BE
PUT FORTH IN THE NEXT YEAR. ON
HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THE
OTHER CANYON WE'VE CALCULATED
ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY
MILLION. DOLLARS OVER THE-
TRUNCATED TIMELINE OF THIS BILL-
AND THAT MEANT SOME OF THAT
MONEY COULD BE USED FOR THOSE
PURPOSES SO WE THINK THAT.
ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE A PART OF
THIS BILL. GOING FORWARD WE
THINK WITH THOSE THINGS THAT WE
MIGHT BE ABLE TO REMOVE OUR
OPPOSITION. BUT WE THINK IN
LIGHT OF THE CRISIS THAT WE'VE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS WE
HAVE TO TAKE EXTRAORDINARY STEPS
JUST EXTRA CAUTION. EXTRA
ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE UTILITIES-
AND ENSURE THAT WE DO THIS THE
RIGHT WAY SO FOR THOSE REASONS
REPOSE UNLESS AMENDED AND ALSO
AGAIN WHEN I THINK THE AUTHOR
AND THE FOR TO FURTHER
DISCUSSIONS. I WILL NOW UP MOVED
TO PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE
ANY WITNESSES HERE IN THE
HEARING ROOM IN SUPPORT- PLEASE
COME FORWARD. YOUR NAME
ORGANIZATION. AND POSITION THANK
YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON- VICE CHAIR
MEMBERS OF HUNTER STERN WITH IBM
LOCAL TWELVE FORTY FIVE IN VERY
STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON
HAVE BY SHARE MEMBERS RACHEL SHE
MAKE WITH IBEW LOCAL THREE OH
TWO. I'M HERE REPRESENTING OUR
THIRTEEN HUNDRED. ELECTRICAL
WORKERS IN CONTRA COSTA COUNTY
AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT. AFTERNOON
BY CHANCE NUMBERS VINCE WHERE
MERGER WITH SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC
IN SUPPORT. SYLVIUS ALICIA ON
BEHALF OF ADVANCED ENERGY UNITED
AND ON BEHALF OF TESLA AND
SUPPORT THANK YOU. MELISSA TO
VIDEO WITH IBEW LOCAL TWELVE
FORTY FIVE IN STRONG SUPPORT.
TAMERA CUCKOO YORK IBEW TWELVE
FORTY FIVE IN STRONG SUPPORT. A
GOOD AFTERNOON OF MY CHILDREN
PROUD I B. W. TWELVE FORTY FIVE
MEMBER IN STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON EILEEN PURCELL PROUD I
BEAT UP TO TWELVE FORTY FIVE
MEMBER IN STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN CHRIS
MAKAYLA ON BEHALF OF PIONEER
COMMUNITY ENERGY IN SUPPORT OF
THE BILL. JOURNALIST LOCAL
TWELVE FORTY FIVE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON BRAVE IN
ENGLAND CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE HERE SUPPORT THANK YOU
. YEAH I MEAN FRANCISCO FERREIRA
AND STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE
TOTAL. FORTY FIVE. JANET ****
MARTIN CLIMATE ACTION CALIFORNIA
IN THE SANTA CRUZ CLIMATE ACTION
NETWORK IN SUPPORT THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON TELETRACK NUMBER
HAPPEN BY MILITANTS FUND IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON NICOLE BROOKS IBEW
TWELVE FORTY FIVE IN STRONG
SUPPORT THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON CASEY BARKER IBEW
LOCAL TWELVE FORTY FIVE IN
STRONG SUPPORT THANK YOU. WELL I
GUESS PROUD UNION UNION
ELECTRICIANS HYBRID EVERY TWELVE
FORTY FIVE IN SUPPORT THANK YOU
. MARIE WILLIAMS IBEW TALL FORTY
FIVE IN STRONG SUPPORT THANK YOU
. GOOD AFTERNOON SCATTERED
FLOORS ON THE F. I. B. W. LOCAL
TWELVE FORTY FIVE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON KAYLA
JONES WITH IBEW TOP FORTY FIVE
IN STRONG SUPPORT. ROBERT
DELGADO WITH LOCAL TWELVE FORTY
FIVE IBEW IN STRONG SUPPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON GOOD AFTERNOON
RAIN MENDOZA A MEMBER OF I. B.
W. TOLL FORTY FIVE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. LIKE CENTER HOBBIES OF
TOP FORTY FIVE STRONG SUPPORT.
POSSIBLE RE I. B. W. TWELVE
FORTY FIVE IN STRONG SUPPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON THAT OFFER A
GOOGLE'S FULL FORTY FIVE FIVE B.
W. STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON MARIA ACT AT THE CHAD
TRIVIA AND I. B. E. W. TWELVE
FORTY FIVE IN STRONG SUPPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON KITAP IBEW IN
STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON
MARK WILSON IBEW LOCAL TWELVE
FORTY FIVE IN STRONG SUPPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON- MCCARTY I B. W.
TWELVE FORTY FIVE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON EMILY-
SANCHEZ I B. I. B. W. TWELVE
FORTY FIVE IST IN SUPPORT. HI
DON DONNY DAVIS RB TO BE TWELVE
FORTY FIVE A STRONG SUPPORT
THANK YOU. TODD WOULD NOT BE W.
TWELVE FORTY FIVE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. KYLE EDMUND I B. W.
TWELVE FORTY FIVE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. GERALD WILLIAMS IBEW
LOCAL TWELVE FORTY FIVE IN
STRONG SUPPORT. AFTERNOON RYAN
STEWART IBEW TWELVE FORTY FIVE
STRONG SUPPORT. RAYBAN FELT IBEW
TWELVE FORTY FIVE STRONG SUPPORT
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON FONG
TRAN I DID LOOK AT TWELVE FORTY
FIVE IN STRONG SUPPORT. YOU CAN
STONECIPHER IBEW TWELVE FORTY
FIVE IN STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON BACON DRESS I BE DONE
TILL FORTY FIVE IN SUPPORT THANK
YOU. DALY GOT FREED I W. TWELVE
FIVE STRONG SUPPORT. CRUISER NOW
HI THE DEBATE OVER A FIVE STRONG
SUPPORT. ENTER DAWSON THE
CALIFORNIA HOUSING PARTNERSHIP
IN SUPPORT. JAMIE MINOR ON
BEHALF OF THE CAL CCAD
CALIFORNIA COMMITTEE CHOICE
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT THANKS.
GOOD AFTERNOON ELAINE APPEARING
ON BEHALF OF CAL STAR AND THE
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON MR CHAIRMAN AND
MEMBERS P. ANTHONY THOMAS CTIA
CALIFORNIA BUILDING INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION STILL FEEL THAT SB
FOURTEEN IS THE BETTER OPTION-
AMONG US AMMETER CHIU FOR AN
IPHONE THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON
CATHERINE BRANDENBURG ON BEHALF
OF CINEMA CLEAN POWER IN SUPPORT
. MARIAN BERGESON ON BEHALF OF
ENERGY C. SPUR AND RMI IN STRONG
SUPPORT. NICOLE RIVERA ON BEHALF
OF THE CLIMATES AND SUPPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHARLES STEVENS I
B. W. TWELVE FORTY FIVE STRONG
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON RENEE
CRUZ MARTINEZ PROUD I WOULD HAVE
A TWELVE FORTY FIVE MEMBER IN
STRONG SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON
AT THE BROWN PRODUCT E. W.
TWELVE FORTY FIVE MEMBER IN
STRONG SUPPORT. TELL ME ABOUT
MEMBER TWELVE FORTY FIVE MEMBER
TRY SUPPORT. RICK THOMPSON IBEW
TWELVE FORTY FIVE MEMBER IN
STRONG SUPPORT. MARGOT I B. W.
FORTY MEMBERS STRONG SO. MONOMER
SIERRA HAVE PRIDE PROUD IBEW
TWELVE FORTY FIVE MEMBERS STRONG
SUPPORT. BRIAN CARROLL I B. W.
TWELVE FORTY FIVE MEMBER
RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING AN AYE
VOTE. EIGHT CALMLY REPLIED IN
GROUP ON BEHALF OF PRO LARGEST
IN SUPPORT. EIGHT A WELDER
CALIFORNIA STATE AS HE OF
COUNTIES IN SUPPORT. STEPHANIE
ESTRADA BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
SAN JOSE AND SAN JOSE CLEAN
ENERGY IN SUPPORT. MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE BALKANS OFFICE
HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE
SOUTH COAST AIR QUALITY
MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN SUPPORT.
MEMBERS DAN SHAW ON BEHALF OF
CLEAN POWER ALLIANCE THE STATE'S
LARGEST CCA IN SUPPORT. DROLL
COOK ON BEHALF OF LOS ANGELES
CLEANTECH INCUBATOR IN SUPPORT.
JOHN LET ARAMBULA NEXTERA ENERGY
RESOURCES AND SUPPORT. NEXT
WOULD LIKE TO ANY IN THE ROOM IN
OP PLEASE COME FORWARD STATE
YOUR NAME ORGANIZATION AND
POSITION ON THE BILL THANK YOU
GOOD AFTERNOON JAMES DIRECTOR
WITH THE CALIFORNIA STATE
COUNCIL LABORS WE SUBMITTED A
LATE OPPOSITION OUR PRIMARY
CONCERN HAD TO DO WITH
TRANSPACIFIC TRANSPARENCY AS IT
RELATED TO- ENERGIZE ASIAN COST.
HOWEVER WE FEEL THAT THE
COMMITTEES AMENDMENTS- ADDRESS
THOSE CONCERNS SO WE ANTICIPATE
MOVING OPPOSITION TO A NEUTRAL
POSITION SO THANK YOU. MAKE TO
HAVE A QUESTIONS COMMENTS FROM
MEMBERS NEXT. PLEASE THANK.
FINALLY YEAH I WONDER WHY IT
SANK THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING
THIS FORWARD I MEAN THIS IS A
HUGE ISSUE FOR COMMUNITIES THIS
COMMITTEE ITSELF OUT- HEARING ON
ENERGY IS AGE AND- THEN THE
CHALLENGES THE OPPORTUNITIES-
YOU KNOW ALWAYS ISSUES KIND OF
EFFECT ON RATEPAYERS I THINK YOU
OF ADDRESS THAT DIRECTLY HERE-
INTO TAKING THE AMENDMENTS AND
THEN THE TESTIMONY TODAY SO NO
NEED TO. REITERATE BUY ARE
APPRECIATED YOU'RE A PROCESS ON
THE GUARD RAILS- PRESIDENT. FOR
THAT AND I THINK YOU KNOW
THERE'S A PRETTY BROAD COALITION
SUPPORTING IT AT THIS POINT SO
HAPPY TO- MAYOR FOR APPROVAL AT
THE RIGHT TIME. YOUR SECOND. ANY
OTHER MEMBERS. WEBER SCHIAVO
OKAY MEMBER WE FIRST MEMBERSHIP
NEXT THANK YOU THINK MISTER-
THANK YOU MR BACK FOR WORKING ON
THIS ISSUE I THINK YOU THIS IS A
SERIOUS PROBLEM WE HAVE ITEMS IN
I HAVE A BILL. RELATED TO-
INTERCONNECTION AS WELL WE HAVE
SOME COMMONALITY THERE- YOUR
BILL IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT
THAN MINE AND I AND THAT'S WAS
ALL THIS WILL PLAY OUT AS WE GO
FORWARD BUT- BUT- SO I HAVE SOME
QUESTIONS THROUGH THE CHAIR. I
GOT SEVERAL IF IT'S OKAY. Q. SO
WE'RE ASKING THE CPUC CREATE
ABOUT IN ACCOUNT HERE SO WHY WHY
DID YOU CHOOSE A BOUNCING CAL
VERSUS A MEMORANDUM ACCOUNT. BOB
MY PERSPECTIVE- LOT LAST NIGHT
WITNESSES TO- THAT WAY AS WELL-
WE FELT THAT THIS WAS THEIR
APPROPRIATE MECHANISM WE COULD
PUT THE GUARD RAILS. ON IT AND
THAT IT IT- HAD THE MECHANISM OF
HAVING THE APPROVALS AND SUCH
THAT WE COULD- REQUIRE- THE PC
TO SET THE UP FRONT CAP AND-
AND- CLARIFIED OF THE COSTS
INCURRED. AND IN SO BUT LET ME
TURN OVER TO MARK JOSEPH AS WELL
AND HIS COMMENT. THANK YOU. THE
DIFFERENCE A BALLOT ACCOUNTS IN
A MEMO ACCOUNT IS WITH THE
BELTING ACCOUNT AT THE ACCORDING
TO THE TERMS IN THE BILL IT
WOULD BE AN ANNUAL RATE
ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN SO
THAT WE WOULD DEAL WITH THE
PROBLEM IN THE SHORT TERM. WITH
A MEMO ACCOUNT THAT JUST ALLOWS
UTILITY TO KEEP TRACK OF THE
COSTS WOULD THEN HAVE TO FILE AN
APPLICATION WITH THE COMMISSION
- AFTER IT'S ACCUMULATED SOME
COSTS. AND SO IF THEY FILE THAT
THEY CAN LIKE COST. IN TWENTY
TWENTY FOUR. THE FILING
APPLICATION IN TWENTY TWENTY
FIVE TEXT TYPICALLY YEAR TO
RESOLVE AN APPLICATION. THAT
MEANS WE'RE TWENTY TWENTY SIX
BEFORE- ANY OF THE MONEY
ACTUALLY IS AVAILABLE TO GO TO
DO THE WORK. SO THAT'S SORT OF
DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF TRYING TO
GET THIS DONE NOW WOULD CLEAR
THE BACKLOG NOW. IF WE GO A
MEMBER ACCOUNT AND APPLICATION
PROCESS WE'RE PRACTICALLY A P.
GENIES NEXT GENERATE CASE INTO
HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED THE
ISSUE OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A
PROBLEM. SO ARE YOU ASKING FOR A
SPECIFIC CAP ON THIS ON THE ON
THE BALANCING ACCOUNT. OUR IS
OUR NUMBER YEAR AFTER. ALL RIGHT
I KNOW THE MEMON WE AGREE AND
REQUIRE THE P. TO SEE THE SET
THE CASH I DO NOT. THAT WE SET
OURSELVES IN THEIR MARKETING
HAVEN'T. AFTER SOON THAT'S- YEAH
LEAVING IT TO THE- TO WEAR THE
FACTORS ABOUT. YOU KNOW WHAT
WITH THE RATE IMPACT B. HOW MUCH
WORK COULD P. GINNY
REALISTICALLY GET DONE- WHAT IS
THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. TO
TARGET THAT PROPERLY- GIVEN THE
RESOURCES P. GINNY HASN'T
RESOURCES IT WOULD NEED SO WE'RE
LEAVING IT TO THE COMMISSION
DISCRETION I WOULD AT THE SORT
OF. IT'S A DATA HEAVY ANALYSIS
WHICH. THE AUTHOR DECIDED WAS
MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PC TO
CONDUCT. WELL MY UNDERSTANDING
IS THERE'S LIKE ALREADY ABOUT A
HUNDRED BALANCING ACCOUNTS PG&E.
AND THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL
RELATIVELY SMALL BUT THIS ONE
POTENTIALLY IS IN THE BILLIONS
AT LEAST BILLION IT SOUNDS LIKE
SO- SO I- YOU KNOW THE AND THOSE
OTHER BOUNCING COUNTERPART
REALLY SPECIFIC YOU KNOW. THE
STORM EVENT SOMETHING ELSE BUT
BUT THIS ONE'S THIS ONE'S BIG-
THAT THIS ONE'S REALLY BAD SO I
DON'T EAT THE STATE'S A BILLION.
THAT'S A BILLION DOLLARS- DO YOU
HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT RAISE.
THE RISK THAT THE RATE IMPACT
FOR CUSTOMERS IS ON A ON AN
EXTRA BILLION DOLLARS SURE SO
SUPPOSE PG&E. MADE A BILLION
DOLLARS OF INVESTMENTS IN ITS
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. IT WOULD BE
COVERED THAT TYPICALLY OVER
THIRTY YEARS. SO ONE THIRTIETH
OF A BILLION YOU'RE TALKING
THIRTY THREE MILLION. IN REVENUE
REQUIREMENT OF EIGHT BILLION
DOLLARS WHICH IS CURRENTLY WHAT
PEONIES DISTRIBUTION REVEREND
CARMODY IS. THIRTY THREE MILLION
. IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN NOISE
IN THE DATA BUT NOT MUCH. SO
BECAUSE THIS WILL BE COVERED
OVER SUCH A LONG TIME HE'S A
CAPITAL INVESTMENTS WITH THIRTY
YEAR RECOVERIES THE ONLY RECOVER
A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR SINCE
ONLY A SMALL RATE IMPACT. IN ANY
PARTICULAR YEAR SO I DON'T HAVE
IT SO YOU CONSIDER LIKE A
INTERCONNECTION FROM SOMEBODY'S
TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE A CAPITAL
INVESTMENT THAN. NO SO THIS THIS
DOESN'T DEAL WITH. THE
INTERCONNECTEDNESS SOMEBODY'S
INDIVIDUAL THING THEIR SPECIFIC
SET OF RULES- REAL FIFTEEN AND
SIXTEEN YOU SEE WHICH COVERED.
THE COST SHARING FOR THAT THE
BILL DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT IT
DOESN'T CHANGE THAT- THERE'S A
THERE'S A FIXED ALLOWANCE- PER
CUSTOMER THE BILL DOES NOT
ADDRESS THAT AT ALL- SO I WAS
THE I READ THE ANALYSIS TO AND
SAW. TURNS CALCULATIONS THAT
YOU'VE GOT BASED ON THE DIABLO
CANYON BILL FROM LAST YEAR. THE
ABILITY TO GET LIKE UP TO FOUR
HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION
DOLLARS- SO. WOULD YOU I THINK
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS
YOUR GOT ACCESS TO THAT NOW WITH
YOU WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT
THROUGH THE RATE MAKING PROCESS-
WILL- SHOULD SHE USE THAT FIRST.
BEFORE YOU GO AND YOU KNOW WHAT
THE AUTHOR ENTERTAIN TYPICALLY-
ST LET'S USE THAT FOUR HUNDRED
FIFTY FIRST BEFORE WE GO TO THE
BOUNCING AT THE AT ASK FOR MORE
OF A BALANCING CAL. IT SEEMS NOT
BECAUSE YOU ARE TO GET ACCESS TO
THE OUT NO THAT'S A GREAT POINT
ABOUT DID YOU HAVE A CANYON-
DOLLARS AND AYE AYE REYES SAID
IN MY- OPENING- BECAUSE I THINK.
THE CURSOR CARE ACT THE DOTS IN
THIS RELATIVELY LATE BUT WE'VE
HAD NOW GOOD DISCUSSIONS OVER
THE LAST. TWENTY FOUR HOURS BUT-
EQUITY THE DEAL THAT WAS MADE OF
THE TIME AND YOU HAVE A CANYON
THEY SAID THAT MONEY COULD BE
YOU WITH THE ESTIMATE ABOUT
FORTY FIFTY MILLION. COULD BE
USED FOR NUMBER THINGS WHICH
WERE OF WHICH THIS IS ONE OF
THOSE. AND IN MY MIND. YEAH THIS
IS A CRISIS YOU KNOW THEY SHOULD
USE AT LEAST SOME OF THAT MONEY
FOR THIS- THERE IS A- AND
MARKETS ARE COMMON WHERE THERE
IS AN OPEN PROCEEDING RIGHT NOW.
AT THE PC ON EXACTLY- ON EXACTLY
THIS BUT IN MY OPINION YES I
THINK SO THE MONEY SHOULD BE
USED FOR THIS. SO ARE YOU
WILLING TO IS THERE IS THERE
SOME SORT OF MOMENT WE COULD
TAKE. I MEAN I JUST. I AND I AND
I JUST ST I'M THINKING ABOUT
CUSTOMERS AND PICK UP. YOU
ALREADY KNOW THIS IS GOING TO
HAVE AND YOU KNOW WITH THE AND
FUTURE AS- AS DO THIS. CAL
THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROCEED TO.
SO YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A
PROCEEDING GOING- NOW AND SO
THERE'S GONNA BE ACCESS TO THAT
CAPITAL NOW. EARLIER PRESUMABLY
THAN WITH THE BOUNCY CASTLE
WOULDN'T LOGISTICS OR- YOU CAN
KIND OF THE TIME BUT THAT MONEY
IS NOT AVAILABLE TILL LIKE
NOVEMBER TWENTY TWENTY FOUR
MEMBER THAT DOES THE DIABLO
CANYON WAS JULY THOUGH WITH THAT
WAS JULY TWENTY FOUR. IT'S WHEN
YOU HAVE A CANYON I BELIEVE IS
WHEN YOU HAVE A CANYON WAS
SUPPOSED TO. STOP OPERATING
RIGHT. MARK YOU HAVE THAT IDEA.
YES SO. I JUST THOUGHT I HER I.
MIGHT WAS IT EARLIER THAT. SO
THAT THE REV REQUIRE. MINUS IS
TIED TO. THE TIME IT WHICH EACH
OF THE TWO UNITS AT THE APPLE
CANYON WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE SHUT
DOWN- AND- I BELIEVE. THE FIRST
UNITY NOVEMBER. FOUR AND SECOND
UNIT IS AUGUST OF TWENTY FIVE-
SO UNTIL. REALLY CLEAR TO TWENTY
FIVE MILLION THE LATTER PART OF
TWENTY FIVE IS BEFORE THIS ANY
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. I
THINK THE BIGGER POINT IS. THERE
ALREADY EXIST IN LAW. EVERYTHING
THAT TURN NEEDS TO MAKE ITS CASE
AND GET THIS MONEY APPLIED TO
THAT. SECTION SEVEN TWELVE POINT
EIGHT. OF THE PUBLIC UTILITIES
CODE. IDENTIFIES THE REQUIREMENT
THAT P. GINNY WOULD SUBMIT TO
THE COMMISSION. EVERY YEAR- IT'S
PROPOSAL FOR WHAT IT WOULD DO.
WITH WITH THE MONEY AND THEN
THERE'S A PERSON IN THE
PROCEEDING IS HAS STARTED
ALREADY- AS- MISTER HAN AND DOES
ACKNOWLEDGED. AND THE LAW
ALREADY PROVIDES THAT IT COULD
BE USED FOR THIS AND SAYS THE
COMMISSION SHALL INSURED NO
DOUBLE RECOVERY IN RATES. SO IF
THE COMMISSION DECIDES THAT THIS
IS. THE HIGHEST PRIORITY USE FOR
SOME OR ALL OF THE MONEY. THEN
THE LAW ALREADY ESTABLISHES
WHAT'S NECESSARY. OKAY I. IT'S
I'M I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THIS
GOING FORWARD I'D SAY THIS IS A
CRISIS IS PRIMARY REASON YOU'RE
DOING THIS BILL I JUST FEEL LIKE
MAYBE WE SHOULD BE PUTTING THAT
MONEY TOWARDS THIS. SOLVING THIS
CRISIS AS A AS A START AND THEN
AND THEN AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE
OPPORTUNITY PRESUMABLY IF THE
BILL PASSES TO CONTINUE TO DO
THAT BUT- HERE'S MONEY UP HERE
HERE'S MIKE. WHY DON'T WE JUST
USE IT AND GET GOING ON THIS AND
HELP HELP THE HELP BECAUSE YES
THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M
COMING FROM I APPRECIATE THAT
AND I MEAN I DON'T AND I. SAID I
THIS IN TURN OF THE LAST TO THAT
THIS DISCUSSION I'M A TO HAVING
THAT COULD A CONVERSATION GOING-
AB. YOU KNOW WE- HOW WE ARE WITH
THAT ONGOING SEATING. AND I
GUESS I FUND. FROM AND- SO I
SUPPOSE THEM AND- THE BILL AND
I'M I'M I'M- GONNA LAY OFF
TODAY- WE OF THINGS I AM
CONCERNED. IS RATES I THINK
THAT'S WHAT I HEAR OVER AND OVER
AND OUR YOUNG FROM MY
CONSTITUENTS IS. OUR RATES AND I
JUST. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND I
GUESS A WIN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
IMPLICATIONS ARE. FOR RATES FOR
THIS ADDITIONAL ACCOUNT AND- AT
THE END AND YOU KNOW I'M I'M
PRETTY GOOD WITH MATH BUT- AND
YEAH. BUT I WANT I'D LIKE TO GO
BACK AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT
WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE- SO I CAN
UNDERSTAND. I NEED A BILL
EXPLAIN TO MY CONSTITUENTS OF
I'M GONNA VOTE FOR SOMETHING
THAT'S GOING TO BE A RATE
INCREASE WHY WE'RE DOING THAT.
AND AND DO THAT SO I APPRECIATE
APPRECIATE THERE LIKE I SAID
THERE'S MANY ASPECTS THIS BILL
I'M I'M- VERY SUPPORTIVE OF AND
THEN THE INTENT. I THINK I'M
GONNA LAY OFF TODAY- BECAUSE OF
. SOME UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. ABOUT AT NEXT BEING
YOU SO MUCH MISTER- THANK YOU
AND AM THANK YOU TO SENATOR. TWO
THE TIME TO REALLY TALK TO US
ALL OF A THIS BECAUSE I KNOW
THAT I THINK- I SHARE. A LOT OF
THE REMARKS THAT OUR COLLEAGUE
MADE EARLIER. THAT YOU KNOW THIS
IS REALLY CRITICAL AND THAT'S
WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM A LOT OF
THE SUPPORT IS WE NEED TO DO
THIS INTERACTION WORKING WE NEED
TO DO A FASTER. AND WE NEED MORE
PEOPLE TO DO IT AND WE HAVE TO
GET THAT DONE. AND I THINK THAT
IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL AGREE.
RATE AND THE QUESTION IS HOW DO
WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN RIGHT AND I
THINK THAT'S WHERE. THE
CHALLENGE FOR. SOME OF US COMES
IN. AND I THINK THAT WE WERE
HEARING AND I SHARE THE CONCERN
AROUND THE DIABLO CANYON MONEY
BECAUSE THAT HAD A CAP AND THIS
DOESN'T- SO I THINK THAT'S WHY
THERE'S MORE COMFORT IN THAT AND
IN ADDITION. I THINK THERE WAS A
MENTION BY MY COLLEAGUE I THINK
IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS ALTHOUGH
YOU SAID THAT. MANY OF THE OTHER
CANCERS IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING
THAT THERE'S ABOUT A BILLION
DOLLARS THAT'S GOING TO GO TO
WILDFIRE THAT SOMEONE OF THESE
BALANCING ACCOUNTS THAT PG&E HAS
SO WE'RE FREEING UP MONEY ON
THAT ENDS RATE WHICH- CURRENTLY
IS COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL
RATE CASE AND I JUST THINK WE
CONTINUE. TO ALLOW TO SAY WE
WANT THEM TO DO THINGS ARE GOING
TO CREATE THESE FUNDS AND RATES
ARE GOING TO GO UP. AND THAT'S
OKAY BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO DO
THESE THINGS. AND AT THE END OF
THE DAY I WANT THEM TO DO THESE
THINGS. BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME
THAT WE NEED TO RAISE RATES TO
DO THAT. AND PART OF REASON I
FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO RAISE RATES
TO DO THAT IS SO THEY CAN
MAINTAIN THEIR 10% PROFIT
MARGIN. AND AT THE END OF THE
DAY WE ALSO HAD A HEARING IN
THIS ROOM. ABOUT RATES. AND WHAT
IS HAPPENING TO OUR CUSTOMERS
AND- HOW HARD IT IS FOR
CALIFORNIANS WHO EVERY DAY FIGHT
TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND STAY IN
THEIR HOMES. AND PAY THEIR
ENERGY BILLS IN HERE WE ARE
AGAIN LOOKING AT A BILL. AND WE
DON'T KNOW THE RATE IMPACT AND
WE DON'T KNOW HOW BIG IT'S GOING
TO BE. AND SO ALTHOUGH I THINK
THIS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AND
I WONDER. I USED TO DO IT. I'M
SPEAKING AS A PGA ANY CUSTOMER I
THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT
WE FIND A WAY TO HAVE THEM DO
IT. IN THE CONFINES OF THE-
ASTRONOMICAL RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE
PAYING TODAY. AND I THINK THAT'S
POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY WE'VE DONE.
PREVIOUSLY AS WERE RELEASING
SOME OF THE TENSION IN THE COST.
THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO PAY FOR
WILDFIRE MITIGATION AND SO.
ALTHOUGH I AGREE WITH THE GOAL
OF THE BILL TO GET THIS
INTERCONNECTION DONE. I DON'T
KNOW THAT I AGREE THAT WE NEED
TO DO THAT PIECE OF THIS. OF THE
BILL AND- AND IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME
ALSO HOW THAT WILL AFFECT RATES
AND I KNOW. YOU USE THE TERM
IT'S- NOISE. BUT FOR OUR KASPAR
CONSTITUENTS. WHO ARE ONE
MONTH'S RENT AWAY FROM BEING
HOMELESS. IT MAY NOT BE NICE.
AND IT IS THEN THAT WE NEED TO
SIT HERE AND WE NEED TO
REPRESENT ENSURE THEIR HEARD SO
I'M NOT GONNA BE THERE TODAY BUT
YOU KNOW I LOOK FOR IF THERE'S
BETTER CLARIFICATION ON.
EXACTING PACSUN RATES IN WAYS
THAT I THINK WE MIGHT FEEL
COMFORTABLE WITH. AND SUPPORTING
IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. I GO.
THE NEED. THIS AND I KNOW. AT
THE- AT THIS COMMITTEE- AND I
PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY
FRUSTRATED AT WHAT I'VE BEEN
HEARING FROM FOLKS- BOTH IN THIS
COMMITTEE AND IN MY OFFICE ABOUT
DELAYS. AND INTERCONNECTION-
AND- WHY THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
WE HAD A RECENT- INFORMATIONAL
HEARING WHERE YOU KNOW. PG&E
BASICALLY SAID. THAT THERE'D
SPENDING MONEY ELSEWHERE AND
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT DOING IT
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
MONEY LEFT TO DO THIS WORK. AND
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
TRYING TO GET TO WHICH I
APPRECIATE- BUT AT THE SAME
TIME. THEY'RE MAKING BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN PROFIT. AND IT JUST
WENT UP SEVEN PERCENT- AND SO
YOU KNOW MY CONSISTENT
FRUSTRATION. IS THAT THE RATE
PAYERS ARE CONSTANTLY ASKED TO
FOOT THE BILL AND PAY MORE AND
MORE AND MORE. REPAIRS WHO ARE
YOUR MEMBERS. AND IBEW MEMBERS
AND ALL UNION MEMBERS COMING OUT
OF THE LABOR MOVEMENT WHO ARE
STRUGGLING. ALSO TO MAKE ENDS
MEET IN A LOT OF WAYS. AND YOU
KNOW AND THE UTILITY IS NOT
REALLY DOESN'T HAVE SKIN IN THE
GAME IN TERMS OF HOW ART THEY'RE
NOT THEY'RE NOT TAKING AHEAD
RATE. CONSUMERS ARE TAKING AHEAD
OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE TAKING A
HAT. UNION MEMBERS ARE TAKING
AHEAD EVERYBODY'S TAKING A HEAD
ON. THE UTILITY COSTS- EXCEPT
FOR THE UTILITIES. AND AND SO.
YOU KNOW I KNOW IT'S A LARGER
ISSUE. BUT IT CONTINUES TO BE
INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING THAT THE
SOLUTIONS BEFORE US ARE ONLY
CHARGING PEOPLE MORE. WHO ARE
STRUGGLING- INSTEAD OF THERE
BEING NO MORE INVESTMENT BY
THESE UTILITIES WHO ARE. ALSO
BEING PAID ON FOR
INTERCONNECTION I MEAN THERE ARE
COMPANIES WHO ARE PAYING
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO GET
CONNECTED UP TO THE GRID AND
JUST SITTING THERE AND WAITING
THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE THEM
MONEY. YOU KNOW THERE IS THERE
ARE WAYS IN WHICH THEY'RE MAKING
MONEY IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT
AREAS AND SO- YOU KNOW SO IT'S
JUST KIND OF A- GENERAL
FRUSTRATION AND I'M EXPRESSING
ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'M HEARING
THIS FROM CONSTITUENTS IN OUR
COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME RIGHT IN
THE SPECIALLY WHEN THEY WERE
HAMMERED LAST YEAR AND GAS
PRICES AND HAMMERED EARLIER THIS
YEAR ON. NATURAL GAS PRICES AND-
YOU KNOW AND ARE ARE JUST REALLY
FEELING THE PINCH RIGHT WHEN IT
COMES TO PAIN MAYES BILLS EVERY
MONTH- AND SO YOU KNOW IT WONDER
IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT
MORE ABOUT THE CONCERNS RAISED
BY TURN. AND HOW. YOU KNOW WHY
SOME OF THESE ARE NOT BEING
ADDRESSED. THIS SOUNDS LIKE YOU
KNOW THE AMENDMENTS ADDRESS SOME
OF THEIR CONCERNS WOULD
APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THAT
MOVEMENT- BUT ARE THERE YOU KNOW
OTHER WAYS IN WHICH YOU THINK WE
CAN. PUT IT DECISIONAL
GUARDRAILS TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE REALLY. DOING EVERYTHING
WE CAN NOT TO RAISE RATES ON
FOLKS- IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. I'M
SURE HAPPY RESIDENT LISTEN I IT
I MEAN WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE FOR
YEARS AND I GOT A LEGISLATURE.
IF I THOUGHT THERE ANY OTHER TO
GET THIS DO THIS I WOULD DO IT-
AND- BUT YOU KNOW I CAME HERE TO
GET THINGS DONE AND ULTIMATELY
EVERYONE AGREES NOTHING AS WE
GOT SUCH A WIDE COALITION HERE'S
OF WORK HAS TO GET DONE. AND
BEGINNING EVENTS THAT THIS IS
THE BEST WAY TO DO IT I WITH THE
GUARD RAILS- THAT WE PUT IN I
MEAN A COUPLE COMMENTS ON. ON
RATES- YOU KNOW RATES ARE VERY
HIGH. WHAT A REASON IS B. WE PUT
A LOT OF THINGS WE SUPPLY THINGS
INTO RATES RIGHT ALL THE
WILDFIRE COST. BUT THERE'S A
PROPOSAL LAST YEAR- THAT WAS
CONSIDERED A BY THIS BODY TO
TAKE ALL THAT OUT SAY GREAT
LET'S PUT THAT IN THE GENERAL
FUND. LET'S NOT PUT ALL THIS
INTO RATES RIGHT AFTER WITH THE
ESTIMATE BIG LISTEN TO. SOME
FORCING OF THAT TAKE TWENTY
FOUR. OR ZERO- PLUS CENTS INTO
THE SIXTIES I THINK HE SAID IT'S
EIGHT TO TWELVE CENTS TO MOVE
STUFF AROUND THE STATE AND
EVERYTHING ELSE IS OF THESE
OTHER COSTS THAT WOULD POWER THE
RATE SO. I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY
SHOULD. LOOK AT RATES AND LOOK
AT HOW WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THAT
STUFF OUT OF REYES BECAUSE AGAIN
THAT THOSE THE WAFFLE BECAUSE
ALL THE STUFF THAT WE PUT IN-
BUT YOU RATES- THAT THAT MAKE
THE VERY HIGH- AND THAT HURTS
OUR LAST VACATION. RIGHT OTHER
STATES DON'T HAVE THAT YOU
ACTUALLY CHEAPER ELECTRIFY HERE
SOMETIMES. DOES NOT CAUSE SUCH
AS WORK OUT BECAUSE ELECTRICAL.
ELECTRICITY RATES ARE SO HIGH-
THE M. I THINK AS AS AS MARK
SAID IN OUR POINT IS THAT. THIS
REALLY BY THE TIMING OF COST ON
ABOUT THE MOUNT REPAIRS WILL PAY
LIKE THIS IS. THE TO THIRTY
YEARS SINCE HE SAID. AND THIS
WORKS HAS TO GET DONE THESE ARE.
DISTRIBUTION UPGRADES RIGHT SO.
THEY ARE GONNA HAPPEN AFTER
TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN WE BELIEVE I
BELIEVE CERTAINLY IF THIS BILL
DOESN'T PASS IT WON'T HAPPEN
AFTER TWENTY TO SEVEN. WHERE
THEY'RE GONNA HAPPEN NOW. AND
THAT'S WITH THE ONE THIRTY IF
MATTHEW COMES IN BECAUSE LIKE
OKAY. WE'RE STARTING TO WORK
WE'RE STILL PAYING FOR THE SAME
THING. BUT WE'RE STARTING A
LITTLE EARLIER- AND WHEN YOU DO
THE ONE THIRTY IF AND YOU KNOW
WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB IS FUN
THAT OUT. WHAT WE THINK THE
IMPACT RATES WILL BE- AND WILL
COMMIT TO DOING THAT TO YOU BUT
YOU KNOW MARK JUST KIND OF WENT
THROUGH THAT MATH- AND- AND-
HAPPY TO HAVE HIM DO IT AGAIN
BUT WILL ALSO DO A BETTER JOB
OF. ABSURD WRITING THAT UP. YEAH
AND- WE DO HAVE TO MORE FOR
REPAIRS A RESEARCHER. ARE AS A
MENTIONED DO HAVE THAT CARRICK.
WAS ABOUT. BILLION A- PROGRAM-
STATE- THAT'S ALSO GOES INTO
RATES BY THE WAY- AND- BUT I
THINK YOU KNOW GET THOSE REAL
THINGS THAT. THAT WE NEED TO-
LOOK AT A MORE BROADLY BUT THE
IMPACT THAT- THIS IS GOING TO
HAVE- WE THINK WILL BE VERY
SMALL FOR THE REASONS THAT WE
MENTIONED THIS ARE THIRTY YEAR
PROJECTS. AND AGAIN WE'RE TAKING
A VERY SMALL SLICE OF THAT- UP
FRONT- YOU KNOW. AGAIN THEN DAY
THINK IT DOES CONNECT CAPACITY
AS ARE OTHER WITNESS. I SAID AND
THE FACT THAT P. G.
UNDERESTIMATE THE COST FOR
ENERGY AND- ENERGY. ENERGEN IS
ATION- INTERNALIZATION PROJECTS.
AND BY YOU KNOW AT LEAST TWO
HUNDRED MILLION AND THAT IS IN
PART BECAUSE- AS AS ARE THE
WINTERSET FROM I. B. W. THE BAY
AREA IS ONE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE
IN POPULATION- AND WHEN THE
MOST. AGGRESSIVE ELECTRIFICATION
SO. TO POINT YOU KNOW-
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE- AT A- METER
THERE'S A- RUSH. OF PEOPLE GOING
IN AND- YOU KNOW AND HOOKING UP
SO. SOME OF IT WAS BAD FOR
CASTING I THINK BY P. JEANNIE
BUT SOME OF IT WAS JUST THIS.
MASSIVE INCREASE IN IN DEMAND-
THAT WE'VE SEEN SPECIFICALLY ON
THE- TURN POINTS. IN ON THE CAP
THAT WAS REYES RELATIVE TRUST
WE'VE WE'VE HAVING DISCUSSIONS
WERE. WERE OPEN TO PUT A CAP BUT
YOU KNOW ALSO WE DECIDED THAT
THE P. SHE SHOULD DO THAT WORK-
BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION YOU KNOW
OPEN TO GOING FORWARD. I'M ON
THE PENALTIES AGAIN WE BELIEVE
THAT THAT DATE PC RT CLEARLY HAS
THAT RIGHT. A THIRTY LEVY
PENALTIES AGAINST UTILITIES IF
THEY DON'T COMPLY IN OUR BILL
DOES NOTHING TO CHANGE THAT. SO
I THINK THAT'S VERY CLEAR. I'M
ON THE YOU KNOW THE SHALL MAY
ISSUE WE JUST FELT LIKE. YOU
KNOW IF WE THINK IT HAS TO
HAPPEN IT SHOULD HAPPEN SO
THAT'S WHY WE MADE THAT DECISION
BUT AGAIN. WE DID THAT WITH WITH
IN CONJUNCTION WITH PUTTING ON.
ALL THOSE GUARDRAILS THAT WERE
MENTIONED- IN. A ON- CERTAINLY I
DO WANT TO SEE THIS ADDRESS THE
BACKLOG FIRST THAT SORT OF POINT
OF THIS I THINK THERE'S JUST SO
MUCH WORK OVER THE NEXT WEEK
HERE'S THAT'S ALL THEY'RE GONNA
FOCUS ON. AND THE JAVA CANYON WE
ARE TO DISCUSS THAT POINT IN.
OPEN HAVING THAT CONVERT YOU
APPRECIATE SO MANY RAISING THAT.
AND BEING ON TOP OF THAT AND-
AND THAT'S EXISTS SIGNIFICANT
MONEY GETS WAS TO. GO TO PASS
MANY THINGS THIS IS ONE OF THEM
AND I THINK SOME OF THIS MONEY
SHOULD GO TO THAT I PERSONALLY
BELIEVE THAT. AND HAPPY LOOK AT
THAT GOING FORWARD SO. THAT THAT
WOULD BE MY REACTION. OKAY THE
YOU- SO. YES I AM SURPRISED
CHAIR OVER HERE. I'M GOING TO
MOVE. MISTER JINX. THE COMMAND
CHAIR- SENATE ON YOU MENTIONED
THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS
YOU. LOOKED AT BEFORE LOOKING AT
RATE INCREASE PERHAPS YOU COULD
JUST. GIVE US A BRIEF
DESCRIPTION AS TO SOME OF THE
THINGS YOU ALSO CONTEMPLATED
LOOK AT. YEAH I APPRECIATE THAT
I MEAN. WE GET OLDER GETS TO THE
CAPACITY RIGHT HOW DO WE BUILD
THE WORKFORCE- AS WAS MENTIONED.
IN A ON YOU KNOW I MEAN COULD WE
DO HAVE MY FIRST BILL WAS JUST
TIMELINE TO PENALTIES RIGHT. AND
AND- THE OTHER WAS A SEPARATE
SUCCESSFUL POLITICALLY- BUT ALSO
I THINK. ACTIVELY WHEN WE LOOKED
AT IT. WE KIND OF CAME BACK AND
THIS IS MY YOU KNOW MY BILL FROM
THREE YEARS AGO- A LOT OF THAT
JUST DIDN'T TAKE IN ACCOUNT A
LOT OF THE FACTORS THAT ARE
ACTUALLY GOING TO THE SUPPLY
CHAIN ALL THE OTHER FACTORS THAT
ARE GOING INTO THIS. AND THAT'S
WHY YOU KNOW THE MAIN PART OF
THIS BILL IS REALLY BEEN THIS
SORT OF HOLISTIC NATURE I THINK
THAT WAS REFER TO Y. AGAIN WHERE
WE SUCH A BROAD COALITION IS
REALLY. BRING EVERYONE TO THE
TABLE SAY WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN-
AND THEN MAKE IT HAPPEN- IN THE
BOUNCING COUNSELOR YOU KNOW WE
LOOK AT THE MEDAL COUNT OTHER
THINGS I THINK SECRETIVE CV
SITTING ON A FIVE BILLION
DOLLARS OR SO AND THEN- COUNTS
IT HASN'T QUITE APPROVED SO. FOR
THE REASONS THAT MENTIONED
THAT'S JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A
GREAT OPTION IF WE'RE GOING TO
MOVE FORWARD- AND THAT'S WHAT WE
SAID ON THIS BUT AGAIN. ONLY
WITH REALLY REALLY SIGNIFICANT
GUARD RAILS AND THAT'S WE TRY TO
DO. THIS IS A JUST BACK THE- IN
THE BOUNCING. YOU YOU MENTIONED
THAT. YOU SEE. ON FIVE. THEY
HAVE YET TO PROCESS FIVE BILLION
DOLLARS I UNDERSTAND RIGHT THAT
THERE'S MEMO CAL SITTING OUT
THERE AND- VIEW ANYTHING. ON
THAT RESEARCHERS FOR. THOSE
NUMBER I HEARD BUT- YEAH THERE'S
THIS IS A- IT IS TAKES THEM BUT
YOUR POINT IS THAT. THEY HAVE TO
PROCESS THROUGH IT RIGHT THEY-
SIX ONE. YEAH. CODE GENERATING I
THINK THE ISSUE AS I SAY BEFORE
THE TIMING- IN. WE COULD DO MEMO
ACCOUNT WE WOULDN'T. SOLVE THE-
BECAUSE- IT WILL BE. TWO PLUS
YEARS. UNTIL ANY OF THE MONEY
EXISTS TO DO THE WORK. I BET
POINT WHERE THE NEXT GENERATE
CASE. AND PEOPLE WERE SITTING IN
THE DARK. AND WITH- EVEY
CHARGERS AND TRUCK CHARGING
DEPOTS NOT ENERGIZED. AND THAT
DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT
WE NEED TO SOLVE SAYS HE'S
SAYING THAT- JENNY. EVEN THOUGH
THEY KNEW THAT THEY WOULD GET
THE MONEY AT SOME POINT. NEITHER
P. JEANNIE OR AT A CENTER ESTY
GENIE WOULD BE WILLING TO FRONT
THAT MONEY TO GET REIMBURSED VIA
THE MEMO COUNCIL WITH A MEMO CAL
YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GET
THE MONEY- WITH THE BOUNTY
ACCOUNT YOU DO WITH A MEMO
COUNT. YOU HAVE TO FILE AN
APPLICATION. IN THE COMMISSION
GOES TO YOUR LONG PROCESS TO
EVALUATE WHETHER YOU SHOULD GET
THE MONEY. AND THAT'S NOT THE
LEVEL OF CERTAINTY THEY NEED TO
BE ABLE TO BORROW THE MONEY. TO
MAKE INVESTMENTS. COMES GAS
OPPOSITION TO SEE IF HE CAN
TRUST. BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS
THE MAIN POINT OF OPPOSITION'S.
CONCERNS TO SEE IF YOU COULD.
ADDRESS THE DIFFERENCE. YEAH
THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THINGS AND-
FIVE EIGHT. MADAM CHAIR FACE
YEAH THAT'S ONE OF THINGS I WAS
LISTED IN THE TWENTY ANALYSIS
THAT WE HAD PUT FORWARD AS A
MEMO KIND OF PROTEST- FOR US
IT'S MORE ABOUT AS YOU
DESCRIBED- MISTER TEN YEARS
THAT. THE UTILITY TO PUT THE
MONEY UP. MONEY UP AND THEN
COULD COLLECT IT- THERE WOULD BE
A PROCESS AND THERE WOULD BE
PRETTY CLEAR AND THEIR ABILITY
TO GET THAT MONEY BACK- SO. THIS
APPROACH. ESSENTIALLY PUT IT ON
THE RATE PAYERS. AND THEN MAY BE
REFUNDED SO WE THINK THAT THEY
WOULD GET IT BACK I'M NOT SURE
WHY THEY WOULD BE CONCERNED
ABOUT THEM. GET IT BACK BECAUSE-
SEEMS TO WORK OUT QUITE WELL FOR
THEM. EITHER WAY. SO SIR OKAY SO
OF THE TO CONFER. IS WHEN WE
ELSE. AS HAVING TURN CAN'T HAVE
IT BOTH. THEY CAN SAY OH DO NOT
COUNTERS. TO GET THEM. BUT DON'T
GIVEN THE- WE WILL TO HAVE IT I.
TO SAY THEY SHOULD GET THE
MONEY. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND
SHOULD. THE EXACTLY THIS IS.
RIGHT P. GINNY COULD SPEND MONEY
RIGHT NOW. AND THEN PUT IT IN
THE NEXT RATE CASE AND MAYBE GET
IT AND- THEY WOULD. BUT THAT
DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. SO
BALLOT SEE COUNTY GET THE GET
THE MONEY UP. THE COULD SPEND
THE MONEY UP FRONT. AND THEN IF
THERE'S AN ISSUE THEY HAVE TO
RETURN THE MONEY EXACTLY AND
ACCORDING TO THE TO. THE BILL.
THEY WOULD IT WOULD BE AN ANNUAL
RATE ADJUSTMENT. RATHER THAN
WAITING UNTIL TWENTY TWENTY
SEVEN. TO FIND OUT WHETHER THEY
GET THE MONEY OR NOT. AND THEN
AGAINST IN TYPICAL FASHION HOW
HOW LONG WITH A BALANCED
ACCOUNT. TAKE TO RECONCILE
VERSUS A- A MEMO COUNTY TO
RECONCILE. MANY BELGIAN COUNTER
ANNUAL AND THAT'S WHY WE MODEL
THIS IS DANIEL. SO AND WE DO CAN
WE CAN'T. GO BACK IN TIME RIGHT
AND THERE ARE BILLIONS IN TRACT-
CONFIRM THAT INTRACTABLE
ACCOUNTS- AND- YOU CAN'T BORROW
MY UNDERSTAND IS THEY CAN'T.
BORROW THE MONEY TO FUND THIS
BECAUSE THEIR JUNK BOND STATUS-
SO I. THINK I DON'T THINK THAT'S
AN OPTION RIGHT TO. BEGIN THIS
WHOLE BUT WE CAN TALK RATHER
THAN IN THE WITH THE MIDDLE
KENTUCKY THERE NOT. RECONCILE
EVERY YEAR WHY WHY IS THERE LIKE
BILLION. JUST LYING AROUND
WAITING TO. THAT'S THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MEMO
COUNTERBALANCE IN COUNT AMONG
ACCOUNT YOU HAVE TO FILE AN
APPLICATION AND THEN MAYBE YOU
GET THE MONEY MAYBE YOU DON'T.
MY ONLY A YOU TO KEEP TRACK OF
WHAT YOU WERE SPENDING AT THIS.
MESS I THINK OF THE MISTER WHICH
WAS SUCH A- ACTION MEAN YOUNGER
SET UP AND WHERE YOUR SYMBOL.
ANY OF A FIND OUT. MEMO COUNTY
THE TERM ACCOUNT IS A MISNOMER
IT'S AND IT CAN. IT'S JUST. A
WHERE YOU'RE KEEPING. BUT IS
THAT ACTUALLY MAKE. AND I THINK
THE POINT THAT THESE BE. IS THE
DISTANCE IS THIS A REQUIRE ANY
RARE INCREASE. THE COMEDIAN. WAS
CRYSTAL CLEAR. THE
REASONABLENESS REVIEW IS EXACTLY
THE SAME. REGARDLESS OF ITS IN
THE GENERAL RATE CASE VISIT
THERE EVALUATING A MEMO CAN
WORSEN THE BALANCING ACCOUNT. IS
STILL HAVE TO MEET THE JUST AND
REASONABLE REQUIREMENTS AT THE
P. YOU SEE IS BOUND BY. SO THIS
. AND THEN TO JUST JUST TO
CLARIFY WHAT THE BALLOT THANK.
THAT THAT ACCOUNT IS THAT. IN
YOUR- IN YOUR WAY ABOVE AND IT.
AT THAT EXACT AN ACCOUNT. AT THE
PC. CAN WE GET THEM THANK YOU
BUDGET. MUSK WORK. TO THANK YOU-
MANAGER I MISTER WHICH JUST
ADDRESSED IT BUT I JUST ONE TO
CLARA. THIS DOESN'T ANY. RATE
INCREASES RIGHT. NO IT THERE A
THERE'S A JUSTIN REASON THIS
REVIEW S. CEMENT- ON ALL COUNTS
IN ALL. A ON- ON THE BACK
OVERALL YEAH YES IT I MEAN IN
EXAM OF THE NEW DISTRIBU
TRANSFORMER THAT'S NEEDED. WHICH
WILL HAVE A THIRTY YEAR LIFE AND
TO BE PAID FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS
IT'S THE SAME COST. IT'S JUST A
QUESTION OF WHEN THE CUSTOMERS
WILL BE PAYING FOR THIS AND THAT
THEY ALSO MENTIONED GOOD NEWS IS
BY SELLING MORE LECTURES CITY
WOULD PUT DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON
RATES THE SOONER WE CAN GET THIS
STUFF IN THE GROUND. AND
PROCESSING AND SELLING
ELECTRICITY THE SOONER WE GET
THE DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON RATES.
YOU KNOW IF YOU INCREASE. THE
NUMBER OF KILOWATT HOURS BY 20%
AND YOUR COST ONLY GO UP YOU
KNOW A FEW PERCENT. RATES GOING
TO GO DOWN. AND THE SOONER WE DO
IT THE BETTER THAT'S THE REAL
RATE IMPACT HERE SO IT'S REALLY
JUST INITIAL TIMING EXACTLY IT
IS JUST AN ISSUE OF TIMING. I
FIND THAT REALLY FASCINATING I
THINK- THIS COMMITTEE AND THE
LEGISLATURE IN GENERAL HAS A LOT
OF GOALS A LOT OF OBJECTIVES WE
HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK RELATED
TO HOW DO WE IMPROVE THE GRID.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
WAYS IN WHICH WE ARE PROACTIVE
FUTURE THINKING. WITHOUT THIS-
IDEA OF FEAR. WHICH WHICH- COMES
INTO ACCOUNT QUITE A BIT. AND SO
I'M I'M CURIOUS AS TO JUST. YOU
KNOW WE CAN WE CAN SET THE GOALS
. BUT THE DETAILED WORK ON HOW
WE GET THERE IS THE MOST
COMPLICATED PART. AND I THINK
SOMETIMES WE GET CAUGHT IN
BETWEEN LIKE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK
LIKE WHAT IS THE IMPLEMENTATION
OF THAT HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT-
YOU KNOW. CONSUMERS ARE
RECEIVING THE BEST POSITIVE
IMPACT TO THE WORK THAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO HOW DO WE ENSURE
THAT THE WORKERS- HAVE STABILITY
AND THEIR JOBS AND ENSURE THAT
WE HAVE A VIABLE AND STABLE
ECONOMY AND SO. YOU KNOW I WANT
TO THANK THE AUTHOR I THINK THIS
IS AN INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED.
SPACE TO WORK IN. BUT GIVEN THE
CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS AND THE
DESIRES TO. ACHIEVE THE METHOD
AND HOW WE GET THERE IS THE
CRITICAL POINT. AND SO AS LONG
AS THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING.
THIS DOES NOT. NECESSARILY
INCREASE RATES REPAIRS ALREADY
GOING TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION
TO THIS IS AN ISSUE OF TIMING.
YOU KNOW I THINK WE CAN AVOID
VARIOUS DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE
CONFUSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. MISTER WOULD. YES I KNOW I
JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP THERE I
HEARD HER A COUPLE TIMES TO SAY
MISTER JOSEPH HE SAID DOWNWARD
PRESSURE ON RATES. THAT DOESN'T
MEAN LOWER RATES SUCH AS MEANS.
RATES ARE GOING UP AS FAST. OR
DID YOU ACTUALLY MEAN. THAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAWRENCE
BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN LOWER
RATES I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO LET
ME EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL-
AND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE
HAVE ACTUAL DATA ON- THE END
NRDC THE TESTIFIED IN SUPPORT
COMMISSION TO STUDY- THAT LOOKED
AT. ALL OF THE COSTS THAT HAVE
BEEN SPENT STATEWIDE FOR
ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE
FROM TWENTY THIRTEEN THROUGH
TWENTY TWENTY ONE. AND THEN
COMPARED THE INCREASED REVENUE
THAT CAME FROM ALL OF THE CAR
CHARGING- AND THEY FOUND THAT
OVER THAT PERIOD. ONE POINT
SEVEN BILLION DOLLARS IN EXCESS.
WAS COLLECTED AS COMPARED TO THE
WHAT WAS SPENT THAT ONE POINT
SEVEN BILLION DOLLARS
AUTOMATICALLY FLOWS THROUGH TO
RATEPAYERS NOW DOES IT MEAN AN
ABSOLUTE DECREASE IN RATES
PROBABLY NOT THERE TO MEETING UP
WITH. OTHER UPWARD PRESSURES YOU
KNOW WITH WILDFIRE COSTS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT BUT RATES ARE
ONE POINT SEVEN BILLION DOLLARS
LOWER THAN THEY OTHERWISE WOULD
BE AND THAT'S JUST WITH SORT OF
THE BEGINNING LEVELS OF ELECTRIC
VEHICLE- OTHER CRICKET.
EDUCATION OF TRANSPORTATION. AND
THEN THE FINAL BECAUSE I JUST
WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I
UNDERSTAND THIS. THIS BALANCING
ACCOUNT. I THINK YOU SAID WILL
NOT LEAD TO RATE INCREASES IS
THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS A
BECAUSE I MY UNDERSTANDING IS
THAT. IT WILL LEAD TO RATE
INCREASES YOU'RE JUST SAYING
THAT WOULD BE SMALL. I THINK IT
WAS NO ISSUES SO I'M CONFUSED
BECAUSE SHE ASKED YOU WHEN SHE
DECIDES ONE EYES I'M TRULY JUST
TRUE BUT TRULY TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND. IF THIS BOUNCE
ACCOUNT. WHICH IS SPENDING MONEY
TO DO THINGS ULTIMATELY LEADS TO
RATE INCREASES THAT'S REALLY I
JUST REALLY I'M HONESTLY JUST
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. THE THIRTY
YEAR TRANSFORMER WILL BE PAID
FOR EITHER WAY. IF IT'S IF THE
EXPENDITURE ON THE TRANSFORMER
WAS JUST AND REASONABLE. THE
ONLY THING THIS BILL DOES IS SAY
DO IT SOONER. AND START THE
PAYMENT FOR THAT SOONER THE
TOTAL AMOUNT COST OF THE TOTAL
EFFECT ON RATES NO CHANGE STILL
THE SAME TRANSFORMER STILL JUST
AND REASONABLE. THE TIME THE
ONLY THING THAT CHANGES IS THE
TIMING OF WHEN WE PAY FOR IT.
THAT'S ONE. HOW PROBLEM. OKAY
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SO YOU. MAY
IF THIS IS A REALLY GOOD
DISCUSSION I THINK AN IMPORTANT
CLARIFICATION BUT- AND OBVIOUSLY
THE UNDER LYING ISSUES OF
GETTING THE WORK DONE. BUT
REALLY BEING MINDFUL OF IMPACTS
ON RATEPAYERS IF. IT COMES TO BE
THAT THERE IS A NEGATIVE IMPACT
ON RATEPAYERS. IS THERE A WAY A
WAY TO STRENGTH AND GUARD RAILS
IN THE FUTURE OR- ADDRESS THAT
ISSUE. WELL I THINK THE LONGER
TERM. THAT WAY TO DRESS ALL OF
THIS IS THROUGH GENERATE CASE
REFORM RIGHT AND THE PROBLEM IS.
I'M THREE CASE THE PREVIOUS RATE
CASE. THERE WAS SOME COMBINATION
AND I WASN'T AROUND FOR IT BUT
THE SOME COMBINATION ABOUT
FORECASTING SOME COMBINATION OF
UNFORESEEN DEMAND AND OTHER
THINGS BUT ALSO. YOU KNOW IF
THEY'RE ABLE TO BASICALLY TAKE
THAT MONEY AND YOU KNOW MAKE THE
CASE WORK BUT DIDN'T REALLY
SPEND IT HOW THEY WANT IT SO. I
THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT
THINGS THIS BILL IS GOING TO DO.
I'M AS A MENTION WHEN I KIND OF
WENT THROUGH- THE GUARDRAILS
THE- ACTUALLY THE DATA FROM THIS
BILL IS GOING TO BE USED TO PLAN
THE NEXT GENERATE CASE. FOR THE
FUTURE FOR IT TO PLAN FOR THE
FUTURE INCREASE INTERSECTION
PROJECT NEEDS BASICALLY. SO I
THINK THAT'S A LONG TERM
SOLUTION I MEAN WE'RE WE'RE
GONNA HAVE A GENERATE CATERS
NEXT RATE CASE IS ONE. OF NEXT
RATE CASE WILL BE STARTING AT
THE FOR THE YEAR TWENTY TWENTY
SEVEN. YEAH STARTING FOR THE FOR
JANUARY TWENTY SO FOR THE YEAR
CORRECT SO DEGENERATE CASE
COMING UP AND THIS IS REALLY
THAT'S REALLY THE TIME. TO
ADDRESS ALL THIS AND SAY HEY
GREAT HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THIS
BETTER. GOING FORWARD AND WE
WILL ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO.
WEIGH IN ON THAT- AND WE ALL
SHOULD WITH THE PC THIS IS
REALLY SAYING THERE'S THIS
MASSIVE BACKLOG RIGHT HELLO THAT
WE ALL HEAR ABOUT. ALL THE TIME
AND YOU KNOW IS BOTH THE MOSTLY
BAY AREA LEGISLATORS TALKING
HERE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW. THE
ISSUE WAS AND IS A MASSIVE BOX
LOG THERE'S THIS PROBLEM THAT WE
NEED MORE PERSON POWER. WE NEED
MORE- RESOURCES. WE GOT TO GET
EVERYBODY TOGETHER JUST ALL THE
SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES FIGURE OUT
WHAT THE TIME LINE SHOULD BE. A
PUT PENALTIES IN PLACE IF THEY
DON'T HAVE THAT TIME LINE AND
LET'S PROVIDE THEM SOME
RESOURCES WITH GUARDRAILS TO
MEET THAT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH I HAD TO GO
OVER TO THE SWING SPACE AND ADD
ON TO RUN. TO G. O. HERE SO I'M
OUT OF. BREATH AND YOU ARE STILL
ON THIS BILL. WE WENT AWAY FOR
YOU THE DALLAS THANK YOU.
STARDOM YOUR CLOTHES. YOUR
CLOTHES I THINK NO OTHER MEMBERS
WERE YEAH I MEAN I THINK THAT
IT'S DEPRIVED PART OF MY
CLOTHES- YOU KNOW. I'M IN ORDER
TO RESTATE YOU MUCH BUT- AGAIN
WE ALL KNOW THE NEED. FOR THE
ALTHOUGH WE ALL KNOW THE PROBLEM
AND I THINK WE ALL. AGREE ON THE
PROBLEM WE ALL AGREE THAT. THERE
HAS TO BE- THERE THERE HAVE TO
BE CLEAR TIME LINES- AVERAGE AND
MAXIMUM TIME FRAME IN WHICH THE
UTILITY SHOULD CONNECT. A
CUSTOMER'S YOU KNOW TARGETS WITH
PENALTIES I THINK WE ALL AGREE.
I'M ON ALL OF THAT. AND THE
POINT ABOUT- ABOUT RATES AND I
HAD TO TRY TO SAVE YOUR NEW
SCREEN BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TIMING
NOT ABOUT THE AMOUNT AND I
THINK. I THOUGHT IT'S CLEAR THAT
SOME INFO IT'S CLEAR BUT THE
POINT IS YOU KNOW THIS TRANSFER
IS GOING TO BE NEEDED. GROW BY
IN TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN OR WE'RE
GONNA BITE NOW AND SAYS THE SAME
AMOUNT WHICH STARTING THAT A
LITTLE BIT EARLIER. AND AND
THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL OF THIS
TO GET THE WORK. THAT WE KNOW
NEEDS TO GET DONE NOW. GET IT
DONE NOW. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON
THIS FOR AGAIN FOR MANY YEARS
AND I THINK THIS IS A WAY TO DO
IT. I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT
BALANCE AND AGAIN I THANK THE
COMMITTEE. FOR A LOT OF
SIGNIFICANT GUARD RAILS THAT
WERE PUT IN PLACE. WE TOOK A LOT
OF TURNS AMENDMENTS AND ANOTHER
ONE'S A MENU MENTION ON A MOSTLY
OTHER ONES WERE. GONNA KEEP
CONVERSATIONS GOING. I'M AND-
WITHOUT RESPECT LAST WHEN I GO.
THANK YOU UP. I JUST WANT TO
MENTION- FIRST OF ALL APPRECIATE
THE BILL- LOOK AT IT LONG AND
HARD- HAD THE DETERMINATION OF
WEIGHING AT THE COST VERSUS THE
NECESSITY. AND I'VE COME DOWN ON
THE SIDE OF THE NECESSITY AND SO
I WILL BE VOTING. I AND- ARE
CHAIR HAS A HIGH RECOMMENDATION
AND WE HAVE A- FIRST FROM MEMBER
CONNELLY AND A SECOND FROM
MEMBER HART- SECRETARY PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL. ITEM NUMBER FIVE
S. B. FOR TEN THE MOTION IS DUE
PASSED AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. GARCIA PATTERSON
HI PATTERSON I BETTER CAN. PARA
QUE HAN NOT VOTING CARILLO.
CARILLO AYE CHAN. CONNELLY
CONNELLY I HEART. HEART I MATHIS
. MATHIS NOT VOTING MURATSUCHI
REYES. SANTIAGO SCHIAVO. SHOVEL
I'M- TAKING. TAKING AYE WALLACE
. WALLACE I WOULD. WOULD NOT
VOTING. WILL KEEP THAT ROLE OPEN
. JUST. FIVE ANOTHER REAL. ARE
YOU MY WITH. YEAH JOSH MARCH BUT
WE- YEAH BOB. THAT'S ONE VOTE
SHORT AND WE ARE WAITING FOR
OTHER MEMBERS TO COME TO ADELINE
SO WE WILL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN.
IT WILL BE CONSENT YEAH LET'S DO
THE CONSENT CALENDAR THE MOTION
FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR PLEASE
MOVE. REMEMBER MATHIS MOVE BY
MEMBER CAME. A CALL THE ROLL
PLEASE. HI I'M NUMBER ONE SB
THIRTY EIGHT THE MOTION IS TO
PASS. TO APPROPRIATIONS ITEM
NUMBER FOUR SB THREE NINETEEN
THE MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS. I DON'T NUMBER
SEVEN SB FOUR NINE THREE THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT
. SB FIVE SEVEN TWO THE MOTION
IS DUE PASSED APPROPRIATIONS. I
DON'T NUMBER NINE SB SIX SIX FOR
THE MOTION IS DUE PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS ITEM NUMBER
ELEVEN SB SIX NINETEEN THE
MOTION IS DUE PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. GARCIA SEN
PATTERSON I BEAR CAN BEAR QUE
HAN I CARILLO. CARRILLO AYE CHAN
. CONNELLY CONNELLY I HEART.
HEART I MATHIS. MATHIS AYE
MURATSUCHI REYES SANTIAGO SHE
ABA. SHOVEL I TEAM. TING I
WALLACE. WALLACE I WOULD. WHAT I
. KEEP THE ROLE OPEN FOR THE
CONSENT FILE- ITEM NUMBER TWO.
RELATED YES. MEMBERS ABOUT TO DO
THE ADD ONS FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT
WE NEED A MOTION ON ASPEN. TWO
THREE THREE. YEAH WE NEED A
MOTION ON THE SP TWO THREE THREE
PLEASE. THE ITEM NUMBER TWO S.
B. TWO THREE THREE THE MOTION IS
TO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS GARCIA PATTERSON
. PATTERSON NO BETTER CAN- CAN I
CARILLO. I CHEN CONNOLLY.
FINALLY I HEART. PART II MATHIS
. MATHIS NO MERCY G. REYES
SANTIAGO SCHIAVO HI SHOVEL I
TINK TING I. WALLACE. WALLACE
KNOW WHAT. WOOD I. WE'LL KEEP
THE ROLE OPENED. THE ITEM NUMBER
THREE WE NEED A MOTION SO
LOCOMOTION S. B. WHAT THE TWO
EIGHTY. TWENTY SIX SIX. MATHIS
SECOND BY TANK. I REMEMBER THREE
SB TWO EIGHT SIX THE MOTION IS
TO PASS AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS GARCIA. PATTERSON
HI PATTERSON I BETTER CAN THERE
CAN I CARILLO. CARRILLO AYE CHAN
. CONNELLY CONNELLY I HEART
HEART I MATHIS MURATSUCHI.
MATHIS I MURATSUCHI. REYES
SANTIAGO SCHIAVO. SHOVEL KNIGHT
KING. CHIANG AYE WALLACE.
WALLACE I WOULD. WHAT I WILL
KEEP THE ROLE OPEN. EMERGES
SECOND PLACE BEFORE TWENTY-
NETWORKING- PRESENTE- I'M MORE.
CHILDREN FOR TWENTY YEARS THAT'S
- YES GO AHEAD PRESENTS OTHER
THING OKAY THAT MOTION TO MOVE
FOR TWENTY SECOND THANK YOU
WE'LL TAKE THAT AS YOUR CLOSE.
BOTH JOSH AND MARK SHOW AGAIN
AND PLUS OUT OKAY- THANK YOU AT
THIS GOT ANOTHER GET THINGS DONE
BILL I HAVE A COLLEAGUE IN THE
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE
ON THE- IN THE SENATE WHO I SAYS
YOU GUYS PASSED BIG GOALS BUT
LIKE YOU HOW YOU CAN GET THINGS
DONE SO THIS TO GET THINGS DONE.
THE BILL I'M- AND BASICALLY TO
MEET OUR GOALS WE'RE GONNA HAVE
TO BUILD TRANSMISSION AND
DISTRIBUTION LINES FASTER TO
ENSURE GENERATED CLEAN ENERGY IS
GETTING TO ITS DESTINATION.
DESPITE CALIFORNIA'S NEED TO
ACCELERATE THE BUILD OUT. WE ONE
INCONSISTENTLY APPLIED PERMIT
REQUIREMENT AND THIS IS THE
DELAYS SMALL LOW VOLTAGE SUB
TRANSMISSION LINES OF NOT LET MY
WITNESSES TALK MORE ABOUT THIS
BUT BASICALLY THIS CREATES
CONSISTENT FAST TRACK APPROVALS
FOR LOW IMPACT UPGRADES AND NEW
SMALL TRANSMISSION LINES UNDER A
HUNDRED THIRTY KILOVOLTS. NEEDED
TO CONNECT NEW RENEWABLE
GENERATION ENERGIZED CUSTOMERS
BY REVERTING THIS EXISTING
EXEMPTION THRESHOLD- BACK TO
WHAT USED TO BE WITHOUT HER OVER
TO MARK JUSTICE ALEX JACKSON.
THANK YOU- A SHARED MEMBERS MARK
JOSEPH FOR THE COALITION
CALIFORNIA UNTIL THE EMPLOYEES
AS WE HAVE ALL HEARD TO MEET OUR
CLIMATE GOALS WE NEED A LOT OF
WORK TO UPGRADE THE GRID. AND
WITH ALL THE NEW USES COMPANIES
ARE REGULATORY PROCESS WILD
PERHAPS OKAY REQUIRE WORLD IS
SIMPLY NOT ADAPTED FOR A CURRENT
OR FUTURE WORLD. SB FOUR TWENTY
ADDRESSES A SMALL SLICE OF THAT
PROBLEM. FOR SOME HISTORY. PRIOR
TO NINETEEN NINETY FOUR
DISTRIBUTION SUB TRANSMISSION
AND TRANSMISSION UP TO TWO
HUNDRED KILOVOLTS DID NOT
REQUIRE ANY PERMITS FROM THE PC.
NINETEEN NINETY FOR THE PC
LOWERED THE THRESHOLD TO FIFTY
KILOVOLTS. WHAT WE THINK OF THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM SO FOR THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM NOW NO
PERMITS ARE NEEDED. AND SO FOR
ALL THE CHALLENGES THE UTILITIES
ARE HAVING MODERNIZING THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM BERMAN IS
NOT ONE OF THEM. SB FOUR TWENTY
WOULD SWING THE PENDULUM PART
WAY BACK UP SO THAT SOME LOW
IMPACT PROJECTS BETWEEN FIFTY
AND A HUNDRED THIRTY EIGHT
KILOVOLTS THE SUB TRANSMISSION.
WOULD BE TREATED LIKE
DISTRIBUTION NO PERMITS WOULD BE
NEEDED FROM THE PSC. BUT ONLY
SOME PROJECTS ONLY THE LOW
IMPACT PROJECTS PRIVATE
PROJECTS. ON PREVIOUSLY
DISTURBED LAND. PRODUCTS IN AN
URBANIZED AREA PRODUCTS THAT
HAVE ALREADY BEEN PART OF SEEK
REVIEW FOR A LARGER PROJECT. AND
NOT ON WETLANDS HAZARDOUS WASTE
SITES ARE IN CRITICAL HABITATS.
THE LARGER PROJECTS ARE PROJECTS
THAT DON'T MEET THESE CRITERIA
WOULD CONTINUE TO GET THE
PERMITS AS THEY DO TODAY. NOW WE
RECOGNIZE REQUIRES SOME
BALANCING COMPETING INTERESTS WE
TRY TO CARVE OUT THE LOW IMPACT
PROJECTS. THAT ARE FUNDAMENTALLY
THE SAME AS A DISTRIBUTION
PROJECTS WHICH THEY ALREADY
REQUIRE NO PERMITS. AND AFTER
ALL YOU KNOW THERE REALLY IS
NOTHING ENVIRONMENTALLY
DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE BUILDING A
SUBSTATION WITH A FIFTY
KILOVOLTS TRANSFORMER IN
BUILDING A SUBSTATION WITH A
SIXTY SIX KILOVOLT TRANSFORMER.
I FOR ONE. CERTAINLY COULDN'T
TELL THE DIFFERENCE BY LOOKING.
YET ONE OF THESE REQUIRES NO
PERMITS AND THE OTHER REQUIRES
FULL SUPER COMPLIANCE. THIS
MODEST LIMITED STEP IN THIS BILL
WOULD HELP SPEED SOME OF THE
CRITICAL UPGRADES TO THE GRID
THAT WE NEED TO REDUCE THE HUGE
CLIMATE IMPACTS OF AIR POLLUTION
IMPACTS. FROM THINGS LIKE HEAVY
DUTY TRUCKING WITH ALL OF ITS
DIESEL EMISSIONS. THANK YOU AND
I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS
. GOOD AFTERNOON MR VICE CHAIR
MEMBERS ALEX JACKSON WITH THE
AMERICAN CLEAN POWER ASSOCIATION
WE ARE A TRADE GROUP.
REPRESENTING DEVELOPERS OF
UTILITY SCALE RENEWABLE ENERGY
PROJECTS ACROSS MULTIPLE
TECHNOLOGIES BUT WE ARE UNITED
IN OUR FOCUS AND CONVICTION. IN
THAT CALIFORNIA NEEDS TO BUILD
THE TRANSMISSION AT A PACE AND
SCALE ALONGSIDE NEW CLEAN
CAPACITY FOR SERIOUS ABOUT
MEETING OUR CLEAN ENERGY GOALS
AND SUPPORTING RELIABILITY. I
FIRST WANT TO COMMEND THIS
COMMITTEE FOR THE IMPORTANT WORK
IT HAS DONE TO SHINE A SPOTLIGHT
ON THE MANY CHALLENGES AND
COMPLEXITIES WITH TRANSMISSION
DEVELOPMENT IN THIS STATE. AND
IN RECOGNIZING THAT ADDRESSING
THEM WILL REQUIRE A SUITE OF
SOLUTIONS. THAT WILL ENTAIL
LONGER TERM PLANNING NEW
APPROACHES TO FINANCING.
MECHANISMS FOR WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT. HOLDING UTILITIES
ACCOUNTABLE FOR PROJECT
DEADLINES AND STREAMLINED
ENVIRONMENTAL AND JUDICIAL
REVIEW WHICH WAS THE FOCUS OF
THE GOVERNOR'S INFRASTRUCTURE
PACKAGE. BUT IT ALSO MEANS
ADDRESSING PERMITTING WHICH CAN
ADD YEARS TO A PROJECT TIMELINE
OFTEN. THROUGH NEEDLESS AND
DUPLICATIVE REVIEWS. SO THIS
BILL AS- SENATOR BAKER AND
MISTER JOSEPH OUTLINED TAKES AIM
AT ONE SMALL ISSUE. AND THAT IS
. A STRAIGHTFORWARD SOLUTION TO
TREAT LOW IMPACT PROJECTS AT THE
SUB TRANSMISSION LEVEL. AND FOR
THE NERDS OUT THERE THIS IS
RATED BELOW A HUNDRED THIRTY
EIGHT KV. LIKE DISTRIBUTION
PROJECTS WHICH ARE EXEMPT FROM
PERMITTING UNDER THE PUC'S
CURRENT RULES ON THOSE ARE RATED
BELOW FIFTY KV. THAT WOULD MOVE
CLOSER AGAIN AS MR JOSEPH
OUTLINED TO THE PERMITTING
REGIME THAT WAS IN PLACE. UNTIL
NINETEEN NINETY FOUR WHEN
PROJECTS RATED BELOW TWO HUNDRED
KV DO NOT REQUIRE PERMITS. AGAIN
IT'S IMPORTANT NOTE THAT THIS
KIND OF FAST LANE WOULD ONLY BE
OPEN TO A SLICE OF LOW IMPACT
PROJECTS FOR EXAMPLE IF IT WAS
PART OF A FACILITY THAT'S
ALREADY UNDERGONE SEEK A REVIEW.
NOT OFFICE LOCATED IN SENSITIVE
ECOSYSTEM. BUT IN THOSE
INSTANCES WHERE WE DON'T SEE A
COMPELLING REASON TO REQUIRE
EXTENSIVE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AS
PART OF LENGTHY PERMITTING
REVIEWS. WHEN TODAY IT IS THE
COST OF INACTION AND DELAY THE
POSE OUR GREATEST ENVIRONMENTAL
THREATS. SO AGAIN WHILE LIMITED
WE BELIEVE THIS BILL WILL
ALLEVIATE SUBSTANTIAL DELAYS FOR
PROJECTS SUCH AS SUBSTATIONS AND
SUB TRANSMISSION LINES. THAT ARE
CRITICAL TO CONNECT NEW
RENEWABLE GENERATION AND PREPARE
THE GRID FOR WIDESPREAD
ELECTRIFICATION AND WE ASK FOR
YOUR IPHONE. AND WE HAVE A- WILL
OPEN THIS NOW TO PUBLIC COMMENT
. AND WE ARE ASKING ANY
WITNESSES HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM IN SUPPORT PLEASE COME
FORWARD DOT NAME. POSITION
MISTER SHARON MEMBER SCOTT WHICH
SHOULD BE OFF THE STATE
ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRICAL
WORKERS A CALIFORNIA STATE PIPE
TRADES COUNCIL IN THE WESTERN
STATES COUNCIL OF SHEET METAL
WORKERS IN SUPPORT THANK YOU.
ADAM SMITH SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
EDISON STRONG SUPPORT. DENTURE
FOR CLEAN POWER ALLIANCE IN
SUPPORT. WE HAVE ARROWS ON
BEHALF OF THE INDEPENDENT ENERGY
PRODUCERS ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT
. CHECK A DISCOUNT OF THE WHOLE
CLEANER TASK FORCE IN STRONG
SUPPORT. STEPHANIE'S JOHN BEHALF
OF SAN JOSE CLEAN ENERGY IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU. READ IT BACK
ON BEHALF OF PACIFIC GAS
ELECTRIC IN SUPPORT THANKS.
BIGELOW IN ON BEHALF OF THE
SILICON VALLEY LEADERSHIP GROUP
IN SUPPORT THANK YOU. YES JULIE
MULLIN ASK GIVE ALL THE HAVE THE
CALIFORNIA ELECTRIC
TRANSPORTATION COALITION IN
SUPPORT. MELISSA CORTEZ ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA WIND
ENERGY ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT.
JAMIE MINOR BEHALF FOR THE
CALIFORNIA COMMITTEE CHOICE
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT.
LITIGANTS ON ON BEHALF ADVANCE
ENERGY UNITED IN SUPPORT THANK
YOU. CARA MARTINSON ON BEHALF OF
THE LARGE SCALE SOLAR
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. NICOLE
RIVERA ON BEHALF OF THE CLIMATE
CENTER IN SUPPORT. TETHER TRADED
ON BEHALF ENVIRONMENTAL FENCE
FUNDING AND CALIFORNIA BY MENTAL
MOTORS AND SPORTS THANK YOU.
JANET **** AND WE HAVE A PLAN OF
ACTION CALIFORNIA THE SANTA CRUZ
CLIMATE ACTION NETWORK AND THE
SILICON VALLEY CHAPTER OF
CLIMATE REALITY PROJECT IN
SUPPORT THANK YOU. AND NOW DO WE
HAVE ANYONE IN. OUR COMMITTEE
ROOM. IN OPPOSITION PLEASE COME
FORWARD. ANY OPPOSITION. SEEKS A
NUN. WILL BRING IT BACK HERE TO
MEMBERS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS PLEASE. ANYONE. IT'S
ALL YOURS BUT CLOSE RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR A VOTE THANK YOU. I'M
GONNA NEED A MOTION AND A
SECOND. WE HAVE NO YOU GOT THAT
ARE MATHIS AND- GOT IT OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER SIX SB FOUR TWENTY
THE MOTION IS DUE PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS GARCIA PATTERSON
BY PATTERSON I'D BETTER CAN.
CARILLO CARRILLO I CHEN.
CONNELLY CONNELLY I HARD HARD
I'D MATHIS. MATHIS AYE
MURATSUCHI REYES SANTIAGO
SCHIAVO SHOVEL I THINK. WALLACE
WALLACE I. WHAT WOOD I. WILL
KEEP THAT ROLE OPEN. WE GOT ONE
MORE YEAR. NUMBER TEN- SEVEN
EIGHT ONE CAN. AND SENATORS. AB
SEVEN EIGHTY ONE. MAY PRESENT.
ALL RIGHT. YOUR LAST BILL HERE.
OKAY I'LL TRY THE NEXT ONE MAKE
THIS BRIEF AND HOPEFULLY
STRAIGHTFORWARD- IT'S TAKING A
MOMENT TO CONSIDER THIS
LEGISLATION. IT'S REALLY HAS TO
DO WITH THE NATURAL GAS THAT WE
MOSTLY IMPORT. A LOT OF TIME
TALKING TO CLEAN ENERGY BUT WE
ARE THE LARGEST GAS CONSUMING
STATE- IN THE COUNTRY AND- WE
BURN A LOT OF IT- IN OUR POWER
PLANTS AND OUR STOVES AND
EVERYWHERE ELSE- THIS BILLS. NOT
REALLY ABOUT- THE TECHNOLOGIES
THAT MAY REPLACE GAS BUT MORE SO
ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH THE GAS
SUPPLY COMING IN AND ITS CARBON
INTENSITY AT RIGHT NOW NOT A LOT
OF STATES HAVE THE SAME
STRUCTURES THE CALIFORNIA HAS ON
THE WELL HEAD SITES- FOLKS ARE
OUT THERE- FLARING AND- YOU KNOW
LEAK DETECTION IS HARD TO COME
BY IN SOME PLACES SO WHEN YOU
END UP GETTING THE GAS. DOWN AT
POWER PLANTS ESSENTIALLY BURNING
COAL WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FULL
LIFECYCLE EMISSIONS NOW- I LOOK
FOR TO COMMENT ON THAT ONE BUT-
THAT THE STANDARD SHOW IF YOU
HAVE A REALLY HIGHLY COULD RATE
POTENTIALLY YOUR YOUR HAVE SAME
GREENHOUSE GAS INTENSITY SO WE
MAY HAVE. GOT PAST COAL BUT OUR
GAS SUPPLY IS- IS STILL LAGGING-
SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS JUST TRY
TO CREATE A MARKET BASED
INCENTIVE. FOR FOLKS OUTSIDE OUR
STATE TO STEP UP AND WE THINK
IT'S CERTAIN HAPPEN WE'VE SEEN
SOME EXCITING WORK IN THE
PRIVATE SECTOR. IN A NUMBER OF
STATES THAT WE DON'T DON'T OFTEN
OFFER INCENTIVES TO- BUT THE BIG
GAS PRODUCED IN THIS COUNTRY WE
THINK CAN HIT A HIGHER STANDARD-
THE EPA'S ALREADY PUSHING HIM TO
DO SO WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF
MONEY IN THE IRATE TO DO THAT.
WE'VE BEEN DEALING GAS INDUSTRY
IS ACTUALLY WILLING TO STEP UP
TO THE PLATE ON THIS FRONT AND
WE WANT TO BE A MARKET FOR ANY
LEADERSHIP IN THIS SPACE SO THIS
BILLS. HOPEFULLY SOMETHING THAT
DOESN'T LOOK SO MUCH LIKE A
MANDATE FOR MORE CERTIFICATION
STANDARD THAT WILL- BRING. MORE
THIS SUPPLY IN- AS WE MAKE THE
BIGGER TRANSITIONS IN OUR ENERGY
SYSTEM SO. I'VE GOT HERE- WITH
ME TOO GREAT ADVOCATES ON THIS
ISSUE HARD PAN OF PLANNING
CONSERVATION LEAGUE AS WELL AS
MICHELLE APPLEGATE PROJECT
CANARY. NO MEN'S FROM THE
COMMITTEE HAVE TO TALK THROUGH
ANY. TECHNICAL DETAILS GOING
FORWARD. YOUR PARTNER TO THE TO
THE- WITNESSES TWO MINUTES EACH
PLEASE THANK YOU SURE- GOOD
AFTERNOON MEMBERS- MY NAME IS
HOWARD PENN EXACTED RECTOR THE
PLANE CONSERVATION LEAGUE- IS
SPONSOR OF THIS BILL. AND ALSO
TESTIFIED ON BEHALF ROCKY MOUNT
INSTITUTE WHO'S BEEN A INTEGRAL
PART. OF THIS- PROCESS. WITH
SEVENTY ONE CALIFORNIA HAS A
HISTORIC OPPORTUNITY. TO TAKE
REAL INSIGNIFICANT CLIMATE
ACTION FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE
STATE. AND THE WORLD. ADDRESSING
THESE THREE CRITICAL ISSUES ONE
METHANE IS A HIGH POTENT
GREENHOUSE GAS. WITH OVER EIGHTY
TIMES THE WARMING IMPACT OF
CARBON DIOXIDE NEAR TERM. TO OUR
METHANE LEAKAGE PROBLEM IS
GETTING WORSE. AND THREE METHANE
HAS ACCOUNTED FOR AT LEAST 30%
OF THE PLANETS WARMING TO DATE.
HOWEVER THE INDUSTRY HAS RAPIDLY
DEVELOPED THE TOOLS AND
CAPACITY. TO CUT METHANE LEAKS
IN THE OIL AND GAS SECTOR. AND
CALIFORNIA IS A LEADER HAS THE
UNIQUE ABILITY TO ACCELERATE
THIS TREND. WHEN NOTHING IS NOT
LEAK THAT HAS ECONOMIC VALUES
NATURAL GAS BY STOPPING NOTHING
LEAKS CONSUMERS AND PRODUCERS
CAN MORE EFFICIENTLY USES ENERGY
SOURCE. AND FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE
. CURBING METHANE LEAKS IS ALSO
PROBABLE IN MOST CASES
INTERNATIONAL ENERGY AGENCY HAS
ASSESSED THAT 80% OF THE METHANE
METHANE LEAKS FROM OIL AND GAS
CAN BE FIXED EITHER AT A PROFIT.
OR ZERO NET COST ALTHOUGH WE
DON'T BELIEVE THAT CERTIFIED
NATURAL GAS WOULD NECESSARILY
INCREASE CONSUMER COSTS AT THE
END OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN. WE ARE
CAUTIOUS IN OUR APPROACH WITH
THIS BILL AND THEREFORE HAVE NOT
ASKED FOR ANY PROCUREMENT
REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS WHERE
CALIFORNIA COMES IN WITH ITS
UNMATCHED MARKET POWER BY
SUPPORTING THE PURCHASE OF
CERTIFIED LOW METHANE GAS
CALIFORNIA CAN BE THE CATALYST
TO DRIVE CHANGE ALL THE WAY UP
THE VALUE CHAIN. WE MUST ACT NOW
BECAUSE THE COST OF INACTION IS
STAGGERING WE ESTIMATE THE
ANNUAL COST OF THE THREAT
CLIMATE CHANGE CLIMATE DAMAGE TO
CALIFORNIA'S OVER FIVE HUNDRED
DOLLARS PER PERSON. BY MID
CENTURY THIS COSTS WILL DOUBLE
OR TRIPLE ON CURRENT TRENDS BY
ACTING ABOUT THING TODAY THREE
SEVEN EIGHTY ONE. CALIFORNIA CAN
TAKE A BIG STEP IN PREVENTING
THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. I
RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR AYE VOTE
THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME IS
MICHELLE MORMON APPLEGATE AND
THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF POLICY
FOR PROJECT CANARY WE ARE IN
EMISSIONS DATA MANAGEMENT
COMPANY. THE PASSAGE AND
ENACTMENT OF SB SEVEN ANYONE
CALIFORNIA CAN TAKE A NEW AND
SIGNIFICANT. THAT IMPACT IN THE
BATTLE AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE
AND YOU DO THIS BY PRIORITIZING
METHANE REDUCTION IN THE
PROCUREMENT OF LOW EMISSION
NATURAL GAS. MATERIAL REDUCTION
IN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ARE
ACCOMPLISHED BY STOPPING THE
INTERMITTENT OPERATION AND
FUGITIVE METHANE LEAKS THAT
OCCUR IN THE ENERGY SUPPLY
CHAIN. STOPPING THESE LEAKS IN
THE ENERGY PRODUCTION SECTOR IS
SOME OF THE LOWEST HANGING FRUIT
IN THE BATTLE AGAINST CLIMATE
CHANGE. IN FACT ADOPTING THIS
BILL. AND THE REPRESENTING
STANDARDS THAT COME FROM IT
REPRESENT THE SINGLE MOST COST
EFFECTIVE CARBON MITIGATION
ACTION AVAILABLE TO THE STATE.
AT LESS THAN TWENTY CENTS PER
MONTH PER RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER
FOR BOTH OF THE STATE'S TWO
LARGEST UTILITIES AT CURRENT
COMMODITY PRICES. EVEN IN A
WORST CASE SCENARIO. IF THE
COMMODITY PRICE WAS- THE SAME AS
THE L. CFS CARBON OFFSET MODEL.
YOU'D STILL BE LOOKING AT ABOUT
ONE DOLLAR PER MONTH PER
CUSTOMER. IN ADDITION TO THE LOW
COST THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS
ARE SIGNIFICANT. IF THE IMPORTED
GAS CONSUMING CALIFORNIA WAS
PRODUCED WITH A METHANE
INTENSITY OF ZERO POINT 2%
INSTEAD OF THE ONE POINT 38%
THAT EDF ESTIMATES IT ACTUALLY
IS. WE COULD ABATE THE
EQUIVALENT OF THIRTY SIX MILLION
METRIC TONS OF CO TWO PER YEAR.
THAT'S THE SAME AS TAKING EIGHT
MILLION CARS OFF ROADWAYS. THIS
LEVEL OF EMISSIONS REDUCTION IS
ATTAINABLE TODAY AND IT CAN BE
DONE AT A RELATIVELY LOW COST.
UNTIL WE NO LONGER USE NATURAL
GAS WE CAN ACCELERATE THE
DECARBONISATION OF THIS FUEL
SOURCE AND ELIMINATE MILLIONS OF
METRIC TONS OF CO TWO EQUIVALENT
FROM OUR ATMOSPHERE. YEARS AHEAD
OF THE STATE'S SCHOOL FOR
ELIMINATING FOSSIL FUEL USE.
AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS WE
APPRECIATE SENATOR STERN
INTRODUCING THIS VERY IMPORTANT
BILL AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR SUPPORT. AT MEMBERS OF THE
AUDIENCE IF YOU WANT TO. COME
FORWARD WITH YOUR SUPPORT. YOU
MAY DO SO NOW. NAME ORGANIZATION
AND POSITION PLEASE. AT THE CORE
OF OUR WITH THE CLIMATE CENTER I
PLEASE. JANET **** FOR CLIMATE
ACTION CALIFORNIA IN THE SANTA
CRUZ TRANSACTION NETWORK IN
SUPPORT THANKS TO CENTERS STERN
. NUMBER THREE. IT NOW TURN TO
ANY MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE HERE
IN OPPOSITION. COME FORWARD.
SEEING NONE. THE BILL WILL COME
BACK HERE. MOVED BY. NUMBER
REYES AND SECONDED BY MEMBER OF
OUR QUE HAN. ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS BEFORE WE
CALL THE VOTE. SENATE HAVE.
JEFFREY CALL VOTE PLEASE. SPECT
WE ASK RIGHT OKAY. WELL THANK
YOU. I DON'T NUMBER TEN S. B.
SEVEN EIGHT ONE THE MOTION IS
DUE PASSED APPROPRIATIONS GARCIA
PATTERSON. PATTERSON NOT VOTING
BETTER CAN. THERE CAN I CARILLO
. RUBIO AYE CHAN. CHEN NOT
VOTING CONNOLLY. FINALLY I HEART
. HARD I MATHIS. MATHIS NOT
VOTING MURATSUCHI REYES. REYES I
SANTIAGO. SHABA SHOVEL I THINK.
WALLACE. WHAT RIGHT WHAT I.
THANK YOU WILL KEEP THAT ROLE
OPEN. OKAY GOT IT FOR THE WATER
TO. WELCOME AND- BY THE END OF.
YEAH YEAH. ARE GONNA OPEN THE
ROLE FOR ADD ONS AND WE LEAVE IT
OPEN BUT- FIFTEEN MINUTES TWENTY
MINUTES WHAT WOULD YOU NORMALLY
. FIFTEEN TO TWENTY MINUTES FOR
OTHER MEMBERS TO COME IN. OKAY
THIS IS THE CONSENT FILE. CHEN
LIKE CHEN I. MURATSUCHI REYES
REYES EYES SANTIAGO. THE ITEM
NUMBER TWO S. B. TWO THIRTY
THREE TO PASS AS AMENDED
APPROPRIATIONS GARCIA CHEN. CHEN
NO. MURATSUCHI REYES REYES I
SANTIAGO. KEEP THAT ROLE OPEN
ITEM NUMBER THREE. SB TWO EIGHTY
SIX D. PASSES AMENDED
APPROPRIATIONS GARCIA CHEN CHEN
I MURATSUCHI REYES RIGHT REYES I
SANTIAGO. THE ITEM NUMBER FIVE
S. B. FOR TEN DO PASSED AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
GARCIA CHEN. CHEN I. MURATSUCHI
REYES HI REYES I SANTIAGO. I
DON'T NUMBER SIX AS BEFORE
TWENTY DO PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
GARCIA CHEN CHEN I. MURATSUCHI
REYES HI REYES I SANTIAGO. TING
. ITEM NUMBER TEN SB SEVEN
EIGHTY ONE. DO PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS. WE'RE SEARCHING
SANTIAGO TING WALLACE. KEEP UP.
YEAH YEAH. YES ALL RIGHT UP WE
WILL HOLD THE ROLE OPEN FOR
OTHER MEMBERS FOR FIFTEEN
MINUTES AND THANK YOU EVERYONE
FOR A- ALLOWING ME TO CHAIR THIS
FOR A LITTLE WHILE IT'S KIND OF
FUN AND I WILL I WILL WE WILL
NOW ADJOURN EXCEPT WE WILL HAVE
THE ROAD OPEN AND I JUST WANTED
TO. YEAH I CAN'T DO THIS COME ON
THAT'S THE FUN PART. YEAH THANK
YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR ALL. THE
OTHER. ALL OF THE. THIS IS A
LITTLE. ACTUALLY YOU NEED
ANYTHING OKAY THANK YOU ALL
ALREADY. FROM.
I GUESS TODAY. YEAH.
AND WE'RE GOING OVER THE ROLE
FROM MR MERCER G. THIS IS THE
CONSENT FILE. RESEARCHING HI
MURATSUCHI I. ITEM NUMBER TWO S.
B. TWO THIRTY THREE DAY PASSES
AMENDED APPROPRIATIONS
MURATSUCHI HI MURATSUCHI I FOR
ITEM NUMBER THREE SB TWO EIGHTY
SIX DO PASSED AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS MURATSUCHI HI
MURATSUCHI I DON'T NUMBER FIVE
AS BEFORE TEND TO PASS AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
MURATSUCHI HI MARCY GI NUMBERS
ITEM NUMBER SIX SB FOUR TWENTY
DO PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
MURATSUCHI BY. MARCY GI I'D
NUMBER TEN SB SEVEN EIGHTY ONE
DO PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS
MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI I. THANK
YOU. THE WORST. THING.
FOR MR SANTIAGO. THIS IS THE
CONSENT FILE. SANTIAGO SANTIAGO
I REMEMBER TO SB TWO THIRTY
THREE DAY PASSES AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS SANTIAGO. AT THE
S. B. TWO THIRTY THREE SKINNER.
SANTIAGO I. ITEM NUMBER THREE SB
TWO EIGHTY SIX DO PASSED AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO I ITEM NUMBER
FIVE SB FOUR TEN DO PASSED AS
AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS.
SANTIAGO I. THE ITEM NUMBER SIX
SB FOUR TWENTY DO PASTOR
APPROPRIATIONS SANTIAGO SANTIAGO
I AM NUMBER TEN SB SEVEN EIGHTY
ONE DO PASSED APPROPRIATIONS
SANTIAGO SANTIAGO I. TEAMS.
ON SEPTEMBER TENTH WHAT'S IT
LIKE. OKAY TESTING ONE TWO ONE
TWO WE WILL OPEN THE ROLE FOR
MEMBER TANK. I DON'T NUMBER SIX
S. B. FOUR TWENTY DO PASSED
APPROPRIATIONS TANG TANG I DON'T
NUMBER TEN SB SEVEN EIGHTY ONE
DO PASSED APPROPRIATIONS TANK
TANG HAI THANK YOU THANK YOU.
TO GOING. A CRIMINAL FOR THE
ROLE. AT I REMEMBER. I AM NUMBER
ONE S. B. THIRTY EIGHT. THE
FINAL VOTE IS FOURTEEN ZERO THAT
BILL IS OUT. I'M SORRY THE
CONSENT FILE THE FINAL VOTE IS
FOURTEEN ZERO. CONSENT CONSENT
FILE IS OUT. THE ITEM NUMBER TWO
S. B. TWO THIRTY THREE THE FINAL
VOTE IS TEN FOR. THE BILL IS OUT
. ITEM NUMBER THREE S. B. TWO
EIGHTY SIX BY BILLS OUT THE
FINAL VOTE IS FOURTEEN ZERO.
ADAM NUMBER FIVE S. B. FOR TEN
THE FINAL VOTE IS ELEVEN ZERO
THAT BILL IS OUT ITEM NUMBER SIX
SB FOUR TWENTY THE FINAL VOTE IS
THIRTEEN ZERO THAT BILL IS OUT
ITEM NUMBER TEN SB SEVEN EIGHTY
ONE THE FINAL VOTE IS TEN ZERO
THAT BILL IS OUT. AND CAN WE ARE
ADJOURNED.