GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME AND
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US
TODAY WE ARE CALLING TO ORDER
THIS JOINT HEARING OF THE
ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON UTILITIES
AND ENERGY AND THE SELECT
COMMITTEE ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES
AND CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
UNIQUE COMMITTEE CHAIR. MR
GARCIA WOULD BE HERE BUT FOR
TRAVEL ISSUES RELATED TO THE
STORM, SO I WILL BE SHARING THE
JOINT HEARING TODAY. UM IN HIS
ABSENCE. WE ARE HERE FOR AN
INFORMATIONAL HEARING TO DISCUSS
ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR TVS, AND
THEY'RE CHARGING OUR FOCUS WILL
BE TO IDENTIFY ANY POTENTIAL
ROADBLOCKS ON THE GRID,
INFRASTRUCTURE AND CHARGER
INSTALLATION, WHICH COULD DELAY
OUR PROGRESS TOWARDS
CALIFORNIA'S CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION GOALS. BEFORE WE
BEGIN. I HAVE SOME HOUSEKEEPING
TO GO OVER. THERE WILL NO LONGER
BE PHONE TESTIMONY SO PUBLIC
COMMENT WILL EITHER BE IN PERSON
OR SUBMIT OR SUBMITTED VIA EMAIL
TO OUR COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE.
ADDITIONALLY I WILL MAINTAIN
DECORUM DURING THE HEARING. WE
WILL NOT PERMIT CONDUCT THAT
DISRUPTS OR OTHERWISE IMPEDES
THE HEARING. ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO
IS DISRUPTIVE MAY BE REMOVED
FROM THE ROOM. ALSO AS A POINT
OF PRIVILEGE IS THE CHAIR. I
WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THE VERY HARD WORK
OF THE UTILITY AND ENERGY
COMMITTEES. SCIENCE FELLOW SAM
HANES, WHO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH
US THIS WHOLE YEAR, UM AND HAS
ORGANIZED THIS HEARING AND PUT
TOGETHER EXCELLENT BACKGROUND
MATERIAL. THIS IS LIKELY HIS
LAST HEARING. AS HE FINISHES UP
HIS FELLOWSHIP THIS FALL. UM I
KNOW I SPEAK FOR
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S GARCIA AS WELL
. WHEN I SAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN
VERY LUCKY TO HAVE HIM IN OUR
COMMITTEE AND WANT TO THANK HIM
FOR HIS HARD WORK. I KNOW
EVERYONE HAS ENJOYED HIS VERY
WITTY BILL ANALYSIS. THAT JUST
MAKES THOSE THINGS A PAGE
TURNER. WE CAN'T STOP READING.
UM AND ARE VERY EXCITED TO SEE
WHERE HE GOES IN THE FUTURE. WE
KNOW THAT, UM IN THE FUTURE THAT
CALIFORNIA WILL CONTINUE TO
BENEFIT FROM YOUR PASSION FOR
SERVICE AND YOUR ABILITY TO
STRIKE AT THE CORE OF AN ISSUE.
UM, AND YOUR GOOD HEART. SO WE
WISH YOU ALL THE BEST IN YOUR
NEXT STEP. THANK YOU, SAM. SO
FOR THE HEARING, UM THE
TRANSPORTATION SECTOR IS
CURRENTLY THE LARGEST SOURCE OF
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN
CALIFORNIA, SO WE KNOW THAT
RAPIDLY DEPLOYING E V S WILL BE
CRITICAL TO MEETING OUR EMISSION
REDUCTION GOALS. E V SALES HAVE
INCREASED IN THE RECENT YEARS,
ONE IN FOUR NEW CARS SOLD IN
CALIFORNIA LAST QUARTER. WHERE
EVIE S THIS TRANSFORMATIONAL
TREND PRESENTS A NEW CHALLENGE,
MAKING SURE THAT E V CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE KEEPS PACE WITH
EVIE ADOPTION THROUGHOUT THE
STATE. AS WE HAVE HEARD FROM
MANY FRUSTRATED EVEY DRIVERS,
AND WE'LL HEAR FROM SOME
PROBABLY ON THE PANEL, INCLUDING
MYSELF. THIS IS NOT AND HAS NOT
BEEN THE CASE. SURVEYS SHOW
RIGHT BELOW COST THAT AN
INCOMPLETE CHARGING NETWORK IS
THE PRIMARY REASON INDIVIDUALS
WOULD NOT PURCHASE AN ELECTRIC
VEHICLE. UM I HEAR LAUGHING. SO
UM, SO YOU KNOW MY OWN
EXPERIENCE. I'M A, UH, I THINK I
JUST PASSED MY YEAR ANNIVERSARY
AS A E V OWNER AND THE FIRST
THREE MONTHS OF HAVING ANY E V.
I DID NOT HAVE CHARGING AT MY
HOME. SO I WAS ON THE PUBLIC
CHARGE. UM AND YOU KNOW, LIVING
IN THE NORTHWEST SAN FERNANDO
VALLEY. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF OPTIONS
FOR ME. HOWEVER, THEY WERE NOT
AND ESPECIALLY WE IF YOU'RE
LOOKING FOR A FAST CHARGER.
THERE WERE ONLY FOUR OR FIVE AND
THE WHOLE NORTHWEST SAN FERNANDO
VALLEY. THREE OF THEM ARE ALWAYS
BROKEN. UM AND SO IT LEFT A LOT
OF US FIGHTING FOR THOSE TWO
CHARGERS ON A REGULAR BASIS. UM
AND I REALLY THINK THAT THERE IS
PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME SITCOM
SHOWS ABOUT PEOPLE COMING TO
BLOWS A TV CHARTERS ONE OF THESE
DAYS BECAUSE IT CAN GET PRETTY
INTENSE AT THOSE E V CHARGERS.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD
OFTEN SPEND HOURS OF MY DAY
TRYING TO GET A CHARGE WAITING
FOR A CHARGE CHARGING FOR A HALF
HOUR AND THEN WAITING IN LINE
AGAIN FOR ANOTHER CHARGE. UM,
AND IT CREATED A WHOLE LOT OF
CHALLENGES. FORTUNATELY I HAD
FLEXIBILITY TO WORK ON MY CAR
WORK ON MY PHONE IN MY CAR, BUT
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT
PRIVILEGE. UM AND THEN YOU KNOW
ANOTHER EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD. I
DROVE FOR THANKSGIVING FROM L. A
TO APPEAR TO SACRAMENTO WITH MY
DAUGHTER AND I TOLD HER IT WOULD
BE A FUN EXPERIMENT TO SEE YOU
KNOW HOW IT GOES WITH THE E V
AND IT ENDED WITH HER AND TEARS
AT ABOUT 10 30 AT NIGHT IN A
MALL PARKING LOT IN MODESTO,
WHERE SHE'S CRYING AND SAYING, I
TOLD YOU WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN
THE TRAIN. UM BECAUSE IT TOOK US
FOUR EXTRA HOURS AND OUR DRIVE
TO STOP AND CHARGE AND PART OF
THAT I WILL ADMIT WAS USER ERROR
. I GOT A BETTER APP ON MY WAY
BACK, BUT IT'S STILL TOOK THREE
EXTRA HOURS. UM AND SO WE KNOW.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THIS
KIND OF TIME IN THEIR LIFE ON,
YOU KNOW, FAMILY HOLIDAY TRIPS
OR ANY OTHER TIME. THESE ARE
REAL CHALLENGES AND DIFFICULTIES
THAT THAT PEOPLE ARE FACING WHEN
THEY'RE DECIDING TO GET AN E V
OR FIGURING OUT HOW TO WORK
THEIR LIVES AROUND. UM AND TV.
IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I
INTRODUCED A BILL THIS YEAR
AROUND ELECTRIFYING ROADS SO
THAT WE CAN JUST DRIVE IN
CHARGE. UM THAT'S WHERE I WOULD
LIKE TO GET TO, BUT I KNOW WEIRD
STILL, YOU KNOW, NEEDING ALL THE
THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE
IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR FOLKS
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE POWER
THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO
THE NEXT PLACE. THEY GOT TO GO.
UM AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HEARD
DURING PAST HEARINGS THAT ON
DISTRIBUTION AND PLANNING, OUR
UTILITIES HAVE A LOT OF WORK
AHEAD OF THEM TO ENSURE THAT OUR
GOALS ARE MET AND CUSTOMERS
RECEIVE SERVICE IN A TIMELY
MANNER. QUICKLY BUILDING EVIE
CHARGING CAPACITY ACROSS
CALIFORNIA WILL REQUIRE
SUBSTANTIAL UPGRADES TO THE
ELECTRICAL GRID. WITH HISTORIC
INVESTMENTS FROM STATE AND
FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS IN ELECTRIC
VEHICLES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THE
TIMING OF THIS HEARING COULD NOT
BE BETTER TO GUIDE FUNDING AND
PROGRAMS IN ORDER TO QUICKLY
REACH THE STATES, E V AND
CLIMATE GOALS. THE GOAL OF THIS
HEARING IS TO IDENTIFY OBSTACLES
TO THE RAPID DEPLOYMENT OF EACH
CHARGERS IN CALIFORNIA, FOCUSING
ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL
BE NEEDED. WITH THAT. I WANT TO
OPEN IT UP TO OPENING REMARKS
FROM ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AND
ALSO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS
IS IT'S A JOINT HEARING, BUT
IT'S THE FIRST HEARING FOR OUR
SELECT COMMITTEE. UM AND SO
HAPPY TO HAVE COLLEAGUES WHO I
THINK ARE GOING TO BE JOINING AT
CERTAIN POINTS TODAY. I KNOW
EVERYONE'S A LITTLE BUSY AT THE
END OF SESSION. UM AND, YOU KNOW
, EXCITED THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET
GET TO WORK ON THIS IMPORTANT
ISSUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO
COLLEAGUES MR MURATSUCHI. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
TEST TEST. THERE WE GO. OKAY
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR FOR
CONVENING THIS, UH, THIS VERY
IMPORTANT INFORMATIONAL HEARING.
UM YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO
SHARE. YOU KNOW SOME OF YOUR
EXPERIENCES I HAD AS A AS A
EVERY DRIVER ALSO, UM UM, BUT
MORE IMPORTANTLY, I I'M REALLY
ENCOURAGED WITH THEY THE STAT
STATISTIC THAT I THINK YOU JUST
SHARE THAT ONE IN FOUR
CALIFORNIA CAR SALES IN THE LAST
QUARTER, WHERE ELECTRIC VEHICLES
AND THAT ALSO HAS YOUR REPORT
AND THE BACKGROUND REPORT
INDICATES THAT THE STATE
SURPASSED ITS GOAL OF 1.5
MILLION YOUR MISSION VEHICLES
FULL TWO YEARS AHEAD OF THE
TARGETED TIME. AND SO YOU KNOW,
I KNOW THAT THERE'S THERE
CONTINUES TO BE A LOT OF
SKEPTICISM ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN
MEET THE 2035 ALL NEW CAR SALES
BEING ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES,
BUT WE SEEM TO BE, UH, WELL, ON
OUR WAY, AND, UM I JUST WANT TO
ALSO QUICKLY SHARE. UM UM, AND
EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD
PARTICIPATING IN THE LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR'S UH, CALIFORNIA TRADE
MISSION TO JAPAN THIS PAST UM
MARCH. WHERE, UM. WE VISITED
TOYOTA, THE WORLD'S LARGEST, UH
, AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURER, AND
WE WERE EXHORTING THEM TO ACT
LIKE THE WORLD'S LARGEST CAR
MANUFACTURER BY BY, UM, PUTTING
MORE ELECTRIC VEHICLE. UH CARS
ON OUT ON THE MARKET. AT THAT
TIME OF MARCH OF THIS YEAR, THEY
DID NOT HAVE ANY I WAS NOT AWARE
WE WERE NOT AWARE OF ANY ANY, UM
, TOYOTA LINES FOR ELECTRIC
VEHICLES, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M
SURE PURELY BY COINCIDENCE.
ABOUT TWO MONTHS LATER, TOYOTA
ANNOUNCED LIKE FOUR OR FIVE
ELECTRIC VEHICLE, UM UH, YOU
KNOW, CARS AND TRUCKS. UM AND SO
I THINK THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW
UM, THAT IF CALIFORNIA CONTINUES
TO PUSH THE MARKET THAT THE
MARKET WILL RESPOND, YOU KNOW
NOT ONLY WITH COMPANIES LIKE
TOYOTA BUILDING MORE ELECTRIC
VEHICLES, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M
ALWAYS EXCITED, ESPECIALLY FOR
YOU KNOW, FOLKS AND MORE RURAL
AREAS, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS
EXCITED TO SEE THOSE FORD F 1 50
ELECTRIC TRUCK COMMERCIALS
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING
TO BE THE GAME CHANGER TO REALLY
EXPAND THE MASS APPEAL FOR
ELECTRIC VEHICLES, AND SO IN
ORDER TO MAKE IT ALL WORK, WE
NEED TO BUILD THE CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO I LOOK
FORWARD TO THIS HEARING. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. GÓMEZ REYES. I
ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
CONVENING THIS INFORMATIONAL
HEARING WITH CHAIR GARCIA AND
IDENTIFYING ROADBLOCKS TO E V
CHARGING DEPLOYMENT SUCH AN
IMPORTANT TOPIC. I ALSO WANT TO
THANK THE STAFF. FOR PUTTING
TOGETHER VERY THOROUGH AND
COMPREHENSIVE BACKGROUND PAPER.
IT REALLY LAID OUT ALL OF THE
MANY OF THE BARRIERS WE DON'T
KNOW IF THAT'S ALL OF THEM. WE
NEVER KNOW RIGHT MANY OF THE
BARRIERS AND THE INVESTMENT AT
THE FRONT AND BACK. THAT HAS TO
THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS TO
CREATE THIS ZERO EMISSION
FUTURE. WHEN WE HAVE THESE
DISCUSSIONS, ESPECIALLY HERE IN
OUR IN OUR COMMITTEE, AND THAT
WAS A JOINT COMMITTEE. I'M
ALWAYS REMINDING OF THESE
DAUNTING GOALS IS OUR COLLEAGUE
HAS MENTIONED. I DO BELIEVE
WE'LL BE ABLE TO REACH THEM. BUT
THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES
NEEDED AT THE TRANSMISSION
DISTRIBUTION AND GENERATION
STEPS OF THIS PROCESS ARE TRULY
MASSIVE. UH AND. WE WANT TO HAVE
AN E V FUTURE. THERE'S NO
QUESTION ABOUT IT. UM PART OF
THIS MEANS WE NEED ALL THE
DIFFERENT FUNDING PARTS
AVAILABLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I
INTRODUCED A B 2 41, ALONG WITH
SENATOR GONZALEZ TO REAUTHORIZE
THE ENERGY COMMISSION'S CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, AND I'M
SURE WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. WE
CAN'T LET ALMOST $2 BILLION OVER
THE NEXT 10 YEARS SUNSET. IF
WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT DE
CARBONIZED SING THE
TRANSPORTATION SECTOR,
ESPECIALLY IN THE MEDIUM AND
HEAVY DUTY SECTORS WHERE WE KNOW
IT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST
CHALLENGING ACCELERATION IS WHAT
WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON.
HOWEVER I THINK THE BACKGROUND
PAPER PUT IT BEST. AND SAM, I
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS
WRITING AS THE CHAIR HAS
MENTIONED. YOU INCLUDE SOME VERY
IMPORTANT INFORMATION. THAT IS
GOOD FOR ALL OF US, AND THERE'S
A BIT OF ENTERTAINING ALSO AS
WAS MENTIONED, BUT ONE OF THE
QUOTES IN YOUR IN THE BACKGROUND
PAPERS, THE PRIORITIZATION OF
SPEED MUST NOT COME AT THE
EXPENSE OF EQUITY AND E V.
CHARGER DEPLOYMENT THROUGHOUT
THE STATE. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
TOPIC AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
NOT ONLY HERE, BUT, UM IN
UTILITIES AND ENERGY, AND SO
MANY OTHER COMMITTEES, WE CAN
ACCELERATE THE MARKET WITHOUT
BEING THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL
ON WHERE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS
PLACED, AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY,
WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT IF WE'RE
GOING TO TRANSFORM THE
TRANSPORTATION SECTOR AND CHANGE
HOW WE THINK ABOUT REFUELING
THAT WE NEED TO ALSO CHANGE. WHO
WILL BENEFIT FROM THE NEW GREEN
ECONOMY, AS ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD
TO HEARING FROM THE PANELISTS.
THERE'S SO MUCH TO LEARN, AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT IS GOING TO
BE PROVIDED. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, UM ANY OTHER MEMBERS. I
DON'T KNOW. OKAY? OKAY UM, SO
WITH THAT I WANT TO THANK MY
COLLEAGUES AND I KNOW WE'VE
INVITED A PHENOMENAL PANEL OF
GUESTS TO DISCUSS HOW WILL
ENSURE THAT E V CHARGING AND
GRID INFRASTRUCTURE HAS
DEVELOPED QUICKLY AND AS
EQUITABLY AS POSSIBLE. UM I
ASKED THAT ALL THE PANELISTS
COME UP AND JOIN US FOR TO
PROVIDE THEIR OPENING
STATEMENTS. AND WE CAN TURN TO
THE COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS
AFTER EVERYONE'S COMPLETED THEIR
STATEMENTS AND WE'LL START WITH
MISS LU█N TESTIFY. UM THE DEPUTY
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE
ENERGY AND CLIMATE POLICY AT
THIS CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION. I DO HAVE A BRIEF
PRESENTATION OF GRADE. THERE'S
THE SLIDES. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON CHERISH IVO AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M LU█N
TESTIFY, DEPUTY EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR FOR ENERGY AND CLIMATE
POLICY AT THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION. THANK YOU
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO
PRESENT ON THE WORK THAT WE'RE
DOING TO ENABLE MORE ELECTRIC
VEHICLE CHARGING NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE. SO AS WE BEGIN TO
DISCUSS EVIE, CHARGING THE
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS IT
, AND HOW WE MANAGE THE GRID
TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO DESCRIBE
WHAT OUR ELECTRIC SYSTEM
PLANNING PROCESS LOOKS LIKE HOW
GRID INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT
EVIE CHARGING IS PLANNED AND
BUILT. AND HOW EACH PIECE IS
INTERDEPENDENT. WE CAN THINK
ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE DEPLOYMENT
IN DIFFERENT TIMELINES. THE NEAR
TERM AS WELL AS THE MEDIUM AND
THE LONG TERM. IN THE NEAR TERM,
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE
SLIDE THE ROLE OF THE CPUC SHOWS
THAT THE ROLE OF THE CPC AND THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES AND
INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT UM
AND WHERE IT'S FOCUSED ON ENERGY
IZATION ENERGY IZATION IS THE
PROCESS TO CONNECT TO CUSTOMERS
, NEW OR ADDITIONAL REQUESTED
LOAD TO THE ELECTRICAL
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. BEYOND THE
ENERGY IZATION PROCESS ITSELF,
WHICH IS A KEY PART OF
ENERGIZING THE TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION CHARGERS. THIS
NEAR TERM ROLE ALSO INCLUDES
BUILDING CAPACITY FURTHER
UPSTREAM TO SUPPORT THE SERVICE
REQUESTS. AND THEN LOOKING
TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE.
THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES
PREPARED TO SERVE NEAR TERM
INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THROUGH
MEDIUM TO LONG TERM PLANNING
PROCESSES, UM, GUIDED BY THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION.
THIS INCLUDES DEVELOPING GRID
PLANNING FORECASTS OVER A 15
YEAR PERIOD TO INFORM
INVESTMENTS AND DISTRIBUTION AND
TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE AS
WELL AS PROCUREMENT OF ELECTRIC
GENERATION RESOURCES. AND THIS
ENABLES THE FUNDING AND BUILD
OUT OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO PREPARE
THE GRID FOR THIS FUTURE DEMAND.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THE
DIAGRAM ON THIS SLIDE REALLY
SHOWS A SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF
HOW THIS MEDIUM TO LONG TERM
PLANNING PROCESS CURRENTLY
WORKS. THE STARTING POINT FOR
PLANNING. THE ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLE ADOPTION BEGINS WITH THE
CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD,
AS YOU KNOW, AND THEY ADOPTED
THOSE ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE
REGULATIONS. THEN THE C E C.
INCLUDES THIS WITHIN THEIR
INTEGRATED ENERGY POLICY REPORT
OR THE HYPER FORECAST AND MY
COLLEAGUE, UH, DIRECTOR
GUTIERREZ, WE'LL BE TALKING A
BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN HER
PRESENTATION. THE DEMAND
FORECAST PROVIDES THAT SYSTEM
LEVEL AND EXPECTED ENERGY DEMAND
OVER THE COMING YEARS AND IS
UPDATED ANNUALLY AND WE USE IT
IN OUR CPUC PLANNING PROCESSES
AS WELL. THE DEMAND FORECAST IS
WHAT IS FEEDING INTO THE
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING AND
INVESTMENT THROUGH THE CPCS
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING PROCESS.
THE CPUC INTEGRATED RESOURCE
PLANNING PROCESS, AS WELL AS THE
CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT SYSTEM
SYSTEM OPERATORS TRANSMISSION
PLANNING PROCESS. SO THROUGH
THESE REGULATORY PLANNING
PROCESSES, THE CPUC ESTABLISHES
REQUIREMENTS FOR IOU INVESTMENTS
IN DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM,
INFRASTRUCTURE AND ELECTRIC
GENERATION RESOURCES THAT MEET
THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS IN GHG
EMISSION REDUCTION GOALS. AND
THAT'S WHY I'M THIS SLIDE IN
THAT KIND OF ORANGE SECTION NOT
ONLY INDICATE WHERE THAT
PLANNING IS OCCURRING, BUT ALSO
WHO'S DOING THE ACTUAL WORK. SO
IN THE FIRST ORANGE BOX, THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES I CAN'T
SEE THAT FAR. BUT AND THEN IN
THE SECOND, WE'RE LOOKING AT
GENERATION RESOURCES THAT ARE
BEING BUILT AND THEN
TRANSMISSION RESOURCES THAT ARE
BEING BUILT. OKAY? TAKE CARE.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT
, UM, AND THEN FROM THERE UH,
YOU KNOW, I ALSO REALLY WANTED
TO INDICATE THAT THE FORECASTING
AND PLANNING PROCESSES REALLY SO
ESSENTIAL. AND WE WORK SO
CLOSELY WITH OUR SISTER AGENCIES
TO DO THIS WORK, UM AND IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE
ABLE TO ADEQUATELY AND
REASONABLY FORECAST DEMAND AND
BUILD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S
NEEDED TO MEET THAT NEED. UNDER
BUILDING WE COULD JEOPARDIZE THE
NEAR TERM ENERGY IZATION PROCESS
WITH OVER BUILDING. ON THE OTHER
HAND, IT CAN ALSO LEAD TO
REPERCUSSIONS, WHICH COULD MEAN
THAT RATE PAIRS THAT ARE PAYING
THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS WILL BEAR
THE BURDEN OF UNNECESSARY
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR DECADES TO
COME. PLANNING FOR
TRANSPORTATION. ELECTRIFICATION
HAS ALREADY BEGUN, THOUGH. THE
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING PROCESS
THAT I JUST DESCRIBED. YOU KNOW,
WE'VE ALREADY STARTED IT
THROUGHOUT TRANSPORTATION,
ELECTRIFICATION PROCEEDINGS, AND
THE STATE AGENCIES ARE ALL
WORKING TOGETHER TO FORECAST
DEMAND GROWTH INDUCED THROUGH
THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT
I DISCUSSED FROM CARB.
ADDITIONALLY THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION AIR
RESOURCES BOARD ENERGY
COMMISSION GÓMEZ, CALTRANS,
CALIFORNIA TRANSPORTATION
COMMISSION AND CALISTA HAVE
SIGNED A STATEMENT OF INTENT, UM
IN ORDER TO PUBLICLY SHOW HOW WE
ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY IN
COORDINATING SO THAT EVERYBODY
KNOWS WHAT EVERYONE IS DOING. UM
AND WE ARE DOING THAT, IN ORDER
TO ENSURE THAT CHARGING AND
FUELING STATION BUILD OUT AN
ELECTRIC GRID PLANNING ARE IN
ALIGNMENT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THERE WERE FORMS TO NEAR
MEDIUM AND LONG TERM
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING. AS I
ALREADY SAID, WE'RE UNDERWAY AND
WE ARE ADJUSTING TO THIS
INCREASING PACE OF LOAD GROWTH
THAT WE'RE SEEING DUE TO
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
REGARDING THE NEAR TERM, THE
CPUC HAS TAKEN SEVERAL ACTIONS
TO ADDRESS CONCERNS AROUND
ELECTRIC VEHICLE ENERGY IZATION
TIMELINES THAT WE'VE BEEN
HEARING ABOUT FROM THE
LEGISLATURE FROM CUSTOMERS,
ETCETERA. THE CPUC IS REQUIRING
THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES TO
ESTABLISH A PRELIMINARY 125
BUSINESS DAY SERVICE. ENERGY
IZATION AVERAGE TIMELINE FOR
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING ENERGY
IZATION THROUGH THE I. O U. S
INFRASTRUCTURE RULES. THIS WAS
ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION LATE
LAST YEAR. WE ALSO DIRECTED THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES TO
SUBMIT A PROPOSAL THIS DECEMBER
TO UPDATE THOSE TIMELINES BASED
ON DATA FOR THE DEPLOYMENTS. SO
AGAIN, THAT WAS A PRELIMINARY
AVERAGE TIMELINE ACROSS THE I O.
U S. AND WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE AT
THAT DATA ON YOU KNOW. IS THAT
SOMETHING THAT WAS ACHIEVABLE?
WHAT ARE THE ROADBLOCKS? AND SO
WE'RE GETTING THAT DATA AND THEN
CONTINUING TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS?
SEE CPUC STAFF IS ALSO
CONTINUING TO ANALYZE DATA TO
MEET AND MEETING WITH THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES, AS
WELL AS ELECTRIC VEHICLE SERVICE
PROVIDERS TO IDENTIFY HOW TO
REMOVE BARRIERS TO
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION.
I ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TWO
MEDIUM TERM AND LONG TERM
REFORMS THAT ARE UNDERWAY. THE
FIRST IS THE FREIGHT
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING
FRAMEWORK OR FIT. AND YOU KNOW,
THIS IS REALLY HIGHLIGHTED
THROUGH THAT STATEMENT OF INTENT
THAT I MENTIONED AND THE SECOND
IS GOING TO BE OUR HIGH
DISTRIBUTE DISTRIBUTED ENERGY
RESOURCES PROCEEDING. SO FOR THE
FIP, WHICH STARTED IN MAY OF
THIS YEAR. CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION STAFF,
ALONG WITH HER SISTER AGENCIES
WORKED WORKED TO DEVELOP THIS
NEW FRAMEWORK. OUR STAFF ISSUED
A PROPOSAL TO DEVELOP INVESTMENT
GRADE INPUTS AND ASSUMPTIONS
AROUND MEDIUM DUTY AND HEAVY
DUTY CHARGING SCENARIOS FOR LONG
TERM GRID PLANNING. THIS
PROPOSAL IS DESIGNED TO ENABLE
LONG LEAD TIME INFRASTRUCTURE
ASSOCIATED WITH THESE MEDIUM
DUTY AND HEAVY DUTY CHARGING
REQUIREMENTS ALONG CORRIDORS
SUCH AS TRANSMISSION LINES AND
SUBSTATIONS, WHICH NEED TO BE
BUILT WAY IN ADVANCE. YOU KNOW,
AND SOMETHING I WANTED TO
HIGHLIGHT HERE IS REALLY THE
EQUITY ELEMENT OF THAT A LOT OF
THESE TYPES OF VEHICLES ARE
GOING THROUGH DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES AND ARE IMPACTING
AIR QUALITY. AND SO THAT'S JUST
ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT I REALLY
WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. THEN IN OUR
HEIDI ARE PROCEEDING OR
DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCE
PROCEEDING, PLANNING AND
PROCUREMENT FOR SUFFICIENT
ELECTRIC SYSTEM CAPACITY IS
REALLY REQUIRING SIGNIFICANT
CHANGES AND ADAPTABILITY OVER
THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS TO ADJUST
TO HISTORICAL CHANGES IN LOAD
GROWTH. AND SO IN THAT
PROCEEDING, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED
ON IDENTIFYING POLICIES AND
STRATEGIES TO EVOLVE THE UTILITY
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING PROCESS.
TO PREPARE FOR INCREASING NEW
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
BUT THEN ALSO BUILDING
ELECTRIFICATION LOADS AS WE ARE
SHIFTING OUR BUILDING USES AWAY
FROM GAS AS WELL. AND ALL OF
THIS WORK IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY
AND WITH A GOAL OF A DECISION IN
EARLY 2024 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THIS SLIDE IS TRYING TO
HIGHLIGHT OUR GRID MANAGEMENT
WORK, WHICH IS IN ADDITION TO
ALL OF THIS OTHER WORK THAT
WE'VE BEEN DOING. THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION PLAYS A
CRITICAL ROLE IN MANAGING THE
GRID THROUGH WHAT WE CALL
VEHICLE TO GRID INTEGRATION
POLICIES SUCH AS ELECTRIC RATES
THAT ENCOURAGE CHARGING AT GRID
FRIENDLY HOURS OF THE DAY,
PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE A LOT
OF SOLAR OR ENABLING ELECTRIC
VEHICLE BATTERY DISCHARGE AT
TIMES OF GRID NEED. FOR RATES.
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE
HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING RATES AND
PRICE SIGNALS TO ENSURE THAT TVS
CAN ACTUALLY BENEFIT THE GRID
AND CHARGE AT TIMES OF DAY THAT
SUPPORT THE GRID. CURRENTLY EACH
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY OFFERS AN
ELECTRIC VEHICLE SPECIFIC TIME
OF USE RATE THAT ALLOWS FOR
LOWER COST ELECTRICITY TO BE
OFFERED OFFERED DURING TIMES OF
DAY WHEN THE GRID IS LESS
CONSTRAINTS, SO THAT ALSO HAS A
CUSTOMER COST BENEFIT AS WELL.
OVER TIME. OUR OBJECTIVE IS FOR
EACH INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY TO
ACTUALLY OFFER DYNAMIC RATES
THAT EVEN BETTER REFLECT GRID
CONDITIONS. THE COST OF
ELECTRICITY AND THE COST TO
SERVE THAT ELECTRICITY. EASIER
TO USE DYNAMIC RATES. WE'LL ALSO
ALLOW FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES TO
BE PROGRAMMED OR AUTOMATED TO
OPTIMIZE LOAD FLEXIBILITY, SO
CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE TO BE
DRIVING AROUND THINKING ABOUT
ALL OF THESE THINGS. AND THEN
MUCH OF THIS VISION IS REALLY
LAID OUT IN A STAFF PROPOSAL, UM
, THAT THE CPUC HAS ISSUED AND
IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSIDERATION
IN OUR DEMAND. FLEXIBILITY,
RULEMAKING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THIS SLIDE IS REALLY
HIGHLIGHTING INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITY CHARGING INVESTMENT AND
IS REALLY REFLECTED AGAINST A
NUMBER OF EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND
PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT HAVE
ASKED US TO ACT ON WORK WITH
ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND SO BEYOND
UTILITY DISTRIBUTION AND
TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE, THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES AND THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION ARE
ALSO WORKING ON FUNDING CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE
ASSOCIATED MAKE READY
INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE CUSTOMER
SIDE OF THE ELECTRIC METER. THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSIONS
ROLE IN THIS PROCESS IS TO
REVIEW AND AUTHORIZED INVESTOR
OWNED UTILITY REQUEST TO EXPEND
RATEPAYER FUNDS ON E V CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE. THE CPUC
AUTHORIZES THESE PROPOSALS FOR
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGER
CHARGING PROGRAMS THROUGH A VERY
ROBUST STAKEHOLDER PROCESS. WITH
REALLY EQUITY EDITS FOCAL POINT.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SLIDE
SINCE 2016 AND IN RESPONSE TO
VARIOUS DIRECTIONS FROM THE
LEGISLATURE, WE HAVE AUTHORIZED
THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES TO
SPEND APPROXIMATELY 2.1 BILLION
AND FUNDING AND THIS IS
RATEPAYER FUNDING. THIS FUNDING
BEGAN IN 2016 WITH A LARGE SCALE
PILOT PROJECTS FOR CHARGERS AT
MULTI FAMILY BUILDINGS AND
WORKPLACES. AND ALL OF THIS IS
AIMED AT REACHING CUSTOMERS WHO
DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO HOME,
CHARGING WITH AN EMPHASIS ON
CHARGING AND DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES. THE INITIAL FUNDING
EVOLVED INTO SIGNIFICANT FUNDING
FOR MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY
CHARGERS IN RESPONSE TO SENATE
BILL 3 50 REALLY EMPHASIZED
IMPROVING THAT AIR QUALITY AND
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES I
MENTIONED EARLIER AND THEN LAST
YEAR, THE CPUC ISSUED A DECISION
AUTHORIZING 600 MILLION UNTIL
2027 AND REPAIR DOLLARS IN
ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR CHARGERS
THAT WOULD SUPPORT MEDIUM DUTY
AND HEAVY DUTY FLEETS AND
INDIVIDUAL DRIVERS THAT MIGHT
NOT HAVE ACCESS TO HOME CHARGING
VIA THE MULTIFAMILY CHARGERS AND
PUBLIC CHARGERS. THE CPUC MAY
EXTEND THIS FUNDING TO $1
BILLION THROUGH 2029. AND THEN
FINALLY, THIS DECISION REALLY
PRIORITIZES EQUITY TO ENSURE
THAT INVESTMENTS REACH
UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES THAT
HAVE LOWER LEVELS OF E V
ADOPTION, INCLUDING TRIBAL
COMMUNITIES. THE PROGRAM
RESERVES 65% OF FUNDS FOR
INVESTMENTS IN UNDERSERVED
COMMUNITIES AND PROVIDES HIGHER
REBATES TO MULTI FAMILY
BUILDINGS, WITH THE MAJORITY OF
LOW INCOME RESIDENTS LIVING
THERE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL
CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. AND
TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR
GUTIERREZ. I ALSO HAVE A SLIDE
DECK. WAIT FOR IT TO BE PULLED
UP IN. IN THE MEANTIME, I CAN
START OFF AND INTRODUCE MYSELF.
UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE
TODAY. MY NAME IS ALICIA
GUTIERREZ. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF
THE ENERGY ASSESSMENTS DIVISION
AT THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY
COMMISSION. AS DIRECTOR
TESTIFIED I MENTIONED THERE ARE
NUMEROUS AND ONGOING
COORDINATION EFFORTS AROUND
PLANNING FOR WIDE SCALE ADOPTION
OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE
BUILD OUT OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO
SUPPORT THESE VEHICLES. I'LL BE
COVERING SOME OF THE KEY EFFORTS
BEING LED OUT OF THE C E C TO
SUPPORT BROADER ENERGY PLANNING
AS THE STATE EMBARKS ON ECONOMY
WIDE DECARBONIZATION AND A
TRANSITION TO CLEAN ENERGY THAT
IS BOTH RELIABLE AND AFFORDABLE
FOR CALIFORNIANS. OUR LEADERS
AGREE THAT IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT
WE MEET OUR DECARBONIZATION
GOALS TO STAVE OFF MORE EXTREME
CLIMATE CHANGE. CLIMATE CHANGE
IS THE BIG X FACTOR AND ENERGY
PLANNING, IMPACTING BOTH DEMAND
AND THE AVAILABILITY OF SUPPLY
RESOURCES. IN FACT, CLIMATE
CHANGE IS MAKING IT HARDER TO
COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE DUE TO
SUSTAINED REGIONAL HEAT WAVES
THAT ARE REACHING NEW EXTREMES.
WITH TRANSPORTATION,
CONTRIBUTING TO 50% OF THE
STATE'S GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
. WE MUST QUICKLY DE CARBONIZED
TRANSPORTATION WHILE ALSO
BUILDING THE GRID OF THE FUTURE.
THIS IS NOT AN EITHER OR
SITUATION, THE C E. C AND SISTER
AGENCIES ARE COMMITTED TO DOING
BOTH AND ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING
FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR ANALYSIS
TO PLAN FOR CLIMATE CHANGE. NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE. THE C E C
PROVIDES KEY INSIGHTS ON TVS AND
THE GRID WITH ITS ANNUAL DEMAND
FORECAST, WHICH IS PART OF THE
STATES INTEGRATED ENERGY POLICY
REPORT OR HYPER. WELL THE CDC
LEADS TO HYPER. THE REPORT AND
POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS ARE DONE
IN COLLABORATION WITH SISTER
AGENCIES LIKE THE CPUC AND CARB
AND UTILITIES AND OTHER
STAKEHOLDERS AND VETTED THROUGH
PUBLIC WORKSHOPS HELD OVER
SEVERAL MONTHS AS DIRECTOR
TESTIFIES SHOWED THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY DEMAND FORECAST IS USED
FOR RESOURCE PROCUREMENT,
TRANSMISSION PLANNING AND
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING. THE
PURPOSE OF OUR DEMAND FORECAST
SCENARIOS IS TO HELP IDENTIFY
DIFFERENT FUTURE DEPLOYMENTS SO
UTILITIES CAN BETTER PLAN FOR
RELIABILITY. AND AS A LAST
RESORT UNDER EXTREME CONSTITUENT
CONDITIONS, WE RESORT TO LOAD
SHED AND ASKED CALIFORNIANS TO
CHARGE AN OFF PEAK TIMES, BUT
ULTIMATELY OUR GOAL IS TO USE
ELECTRIC VEHICLES TO PUT
ELECTRONS BACK ON THE GRID.
THEY'RE STRONG POTENTIAL FOR
SUPPORTING GRID, RELIABILITY AND
CUSTOMERS WITH PROPERLY
CONTROLLED VEHICLE CHARGING AND
DISCHARGING. WITH REGARD TO HOW
WE DEVELOPED THE CALIFORNIA
DEMAND FORECAST THE C E C.
FORECAST THE VEHICLES EXPECTED
BASED ON CARBON OTHER POLICIES,
REGULATIONS AND INCENTIVES AND
THEN ESTIMATES THEIR ENERGY
DEMAND. THIS CHART HIGHLIGHTS
THE IMPACTS OF ADAPTING OUR
FORECAST OVER TIME DUE TO
EVOLVING PLANNING NEEDS. EACH
LINE IN THIS CHART IS THE
FORECASTED NET PEAK. DEMAND FOR
CALIFORNIA IS A REGION FROM
PREVIOUS HYPER FORECAST GOING
BACK TO 2018. SINCE 2018 EACH
SUBSEQUENT FORECAST HAS HAD AN
INCREASE IN FORECASTED IN THAT
PEAK DEMAND DUE TO VARIOUS
CHANGES. MOST RECENTLY WE
INCORPORATED CARBS ADVANCED
CLEAN CARS TO AN ADVANCED CLEAN
FLEETS REGULATIONS IN THE 2021
ADDITIONAL TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION SCENARIO, WHICH
IS THE GREEN DASH LINE. AND
THOSE WERE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE
2022. I PREFER FORECAST, WHICH
IS THE ORANGE LINE. THOSE
REGULATIONS ACCOUNT FOR THE
MAJORITY OF THE INCREASE IN THE
NET PEAK DEMAND FROM THE 2021 I
PRO FORECAST IN 2021. WE ALSO
UPDATED THE PEAK NORMALIZATION
PROCESS WHERE WE SAMPLED RECENT
YEARS IN THE 30 YEAR HISTORICAL
WEATHER RECORD MORE FREQUENTLY
TO BETTER CAPTURE CLIMATE
CHANGE. ANOTHER NOTABLE
OBSERVATION FROM THE 2018 IEPER
AND TO THE 2022 IEPER IS THAT
BEHIND THE METERS SOLAR PV
CAPACITY HAS INCREASED. THIS IS
SHIFTED THE NET PEAK HOUR FROM
OUR 17 TO OUR 19 WHEN SOLAR
PRODUCTION TAPERS OFF FOR THE
DAY. AND LASTLY, ALL OF THIS IS
ENTANGLED WITH GROWTH IN THE
UNDERLYING BASELINE CONSUMPTION
FORECAST BUILT FROM ECONOMIC
DEMOGRAPHIC AND RATE
PROJECTIONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE FORECASTED
DEMAND FROM TVS IN THE YEAR
2030. AH IN 2030. WE FORECAST
7.1 PAST 7.1 MILLION PASSENGER
E. V S AND ANTICIPATE ABOUT
170,000 MEDIUM DUTY HEAVY DUTY.
E V S. TODAY E V S REPRESENT
LESS THAN 1% OF PEAK LOAD, WHICH
IS 4 TO 9. PM IN 2030. WE
ANTICIPATE THE TVS WILL MAKE UP
LESS THAN 5% OF PEAK LOAD DEMAND
AND ABOUT 10% OF ANNUAL
ELECTRICITY USE. HE'S THE C E C
ALSO DOES LOAD BUS ANALYSIS WITH
THE RESULTS OF THE FORECAST TO
SEE HOW THE LOAD IS DISTRIBUTED
AT THE SUBSTATION LEVEL. YOU CAN
ALSO SEE THE PROJECTED TOTAL
GENERATION AND 2030 THROUGH THE
HOURS OF THE DAY INDICATED BY
THE DOTTED BLACK LINE. IN 2030.
WE EXPECT NEARLY 15,000
MEGAWATTS OF BATTERY CAPACITY TO
SERVE NET PEAK. AN ADDITIONAL
15,000 MEGAWATTS OF SOLAR
NAMEPLATE CAPACITY AND 3200
MEGAWATTS OF COMBINED YOU THERMO
BIOGAS AND OUT OF STATE WIND.
DIRECTOR TEST FIGHT. DESCRIBE
SOME OF THE LOAD MANAGEMENT
TOOLS WE WILL USE TO MITIGATE
THE IMPACTS OF EVIE CHARGING. WE
CAN SEE IN THIS GRAPH THAT EVIE
OWNERS RESPOND TO GRID
MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES SUCH AS
TIME OF USE RATES AND
DEMONSTRATE FLEXIBILITY AND WHEN
THEY CHARGED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF LOWER RATES, REDUCING THE
GREAT IMPACT WE MIGHT OTHERWISE
SEE. THE CHARGING PATTERN
REFLECTS CONSUMER'S DESIRE TO
SAVE MONEY AND MODELS, HOW THEY
WOULD TARGET THEY'RE CHARGING
TOO LOW COST AND CONVENIENT
TIMES. ADVANCEMENTS IN VEHICLE
GRID INTEGRATION ALSO HOLD
PROMISE TO MITIGATING THE
IMPACTS OF E V CHARGING AND
PROVIDING BENEFITS TO THE GRID.
EEC BELIEVES THAT BIDIRECTIONAL
CHARGING CAN BE HARNESSED TO
PROVIDE GREATER GRID,
RELIABILITY AND CUSTOMER BENEFIT
. HOWEVER THE STATE NEEDS TO
EVALUATE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO
CONTROL CHARGING AND DISCHARGING
TO MAXIMIZE BENEFIT OF TVS AND
MINUTE MINIMIZE ANY NEGATIVE
IMPACTS. THE EC CALLED THIS OUT
AS A NEED IN LAST YEAR'S CLEAN
ENERGY RELIABILITY INVESTMENT
PLAN IS ONE OF THE MANY ACTIONS
THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO SUPPORT
DIVERSIFICATION OF DEMAND SIDE
RESOURCES TO PROVIDE RELIABILITY
SUPPORT. IN MAY OF THIS YEAR,
THE CSC ALSO ADOPTED A LOAD
FLEXIBILITY GOAL OF 7000
MEGAWATTS BY 2030. FLEXIBILITY
IS THE CAPABILITY TO SHIFT OR
SHED ELECTRIC LOAD OR DEMAND
AWAY FROM TIMES WHEN ELECTRICITY
IS EXPENSIVE, POLLUTING AND
SCARCE TWO TIMES WHEN IT'S
INEXPENSIVE, CLEAN AND
PLENTIFUL. BEYOND THE LOAD,
FLEXIBLE, LET BEYOND THE LOAD
FLEXIBILITY GOAL. THERE IS EVEN
MORE POTENTIAL IN VEHICLE GRID
INTEGRATION. NEXT SLIDE. AS THE
STATE AGENCIES WORK TO PLAN PLAN
FOR IT AND BUILD OUT THE GRID TO
ACCOMMODATE TVS SUSTAINED
INVESTMENT IN CLEAN IN PROGRAMS
, LIKE THE CLEAN TRANSPORTATION
PROGRAM AND EPIC ARE CRITICAL.
THESE PROGRAMS ARE KEY TO
ADVANCING THE TECHNOLOGIES,
TOOLS AND STRATEGIES NEEDED TO
MANAGE THE LOAD FROM TVS AND TAP
INTO THEIR POTENTIAL TO MAKE OUR
GRID MORE RESILIENT. CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM HAS BEEN
A CORNERSTONE AND MAKING
CALIFORNIA LEADER IN E V.
ADOPTION IN QUARTER TWO OF THIS
YEAR. 25% OF NEW VEHICLE SALES
WAS EVE'S. WE'RE AT AN
INFLECTION POINT, AND IT'S
CRITICAL NOW, MORE THAN EVER
THAT WE HAVE A STABLE, ONGOING,
PREDICTABLE, UH, FUNDING SOURCE
IMPORTANTLY, THESE FUNDING
PROGRAMS ARE ESSENTIAL TO IN TO
ENSURING WE CREATE AN EQUITABLE
TRANSITION. SO ALL CALIFORNIANS
HAVE ACCESS TO INFRASTRUCTURE
AND ZEV CLEAN TRANSPORTATION
PROGRAM TARGETS, HAVING AT LEAST
50% OF ITS INVESTMENTS GO TOWARD
BENEFITING LOW INCOME AND
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. THE
EC IS ALSO COORDINATING,
COORDINATING WITH SISTER
AGENCIES AND CAISO ON RESOURCE
PLANNING TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH
AND WHAT TYPES OF RENEWABLE AND
FIRM RESOURCES WE NEED TO MEET
FUTURE HOURLY DEMAND.
DETERMINING A PLANNING RESERVE
MARGIN THAT APPROPRIATELY
CONSIDERS OUR CLIMATE CHANGE AND
TRANSMISSION PLANNING BOTH FOR
THE NEXT 10 YEARS THROUGH
TRANSMISSION PLANNING PROCESS
AND ALSO THE 20 YEAR TIME
HORIZON. TO ALIGN WITH PLANNING
SCENARIOS DEVELOPED THROUGH SB
100. FINALLY THE 2023 IEPER IS
FOCUSED ON STRATEGIES TO
ACCELERATE CONNECTION OF CLEAN
RESOURCES LIKE EVEY CHARGERS.
THE IEPER WILL CATALOG THE
ONGOING EFFORTS ACROSS AGENCIES
TO IMPROVE CONNECTION PROCESSES
AND TIMELINES AND EMPHASIZE THE
IMPORTANCE OF TRACKING PROGRESS
AND PROVIDING MORE TRANSPARENCY
INTO ENERGY IZATION AND
INTERCONNECTION PROCESSES. THE
FINAL REPORT WILL INCLUDE
RECOMMENDATIONS SPANNING
PLANNING POLICY AND TECHNOLOGY
DEPLOYMENT STRATEGIES THAT CAN
HELP BRING THE NEEDED RESOURCES
AND DELIVERY CAPACITY ONLINE
RAPIDLY AND EFFICIENTLY. THAT
CONCLUDES MY OPENING REMARKS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
MY NAME IS ROMAN PARTY, LOPEZ
AND THE SENIOR LEGAL COUNSEL FOR
TRANSPORTATION EQUITY AT THE
GREENLINING INSTITUTE, AND WE
WORK TO BUILD EQUITABLE
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
POLICIES THAT WILL ACCELERATE
EMISSION REDUCTIONS WHILE
SIMULTANEOUSLY MAXIMIZING LONG
TERM PUBLIC HEALTH AND ECONOMIC
BENEFITS FOR LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. FOR THOSE
NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE
GREENLINING INSTITUTE, RACIAL
AND ECONOMIC EQUITY ADVOCACY
ORGANIZATION, FIGHTING THE
LASTING LEGACY OF REDLINING AND
WORKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE WHERE
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR CAN BUILD
WEALTH LIVING, HEALTHY PLACES
FILLED WITH ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY
AND ARE READY TO MEET THE
CHALLENGES POSED BY CLIMATE
CHANGE. TODAY WE'LL BE SPEAKING
TO YOU ARE ABOUT THE
OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES WE
MUST ADDRESS IN ORDER TO DEVELOP
AND DEPLOY CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE EQUITABLY. MY
COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY OUTLINED
THE VARIOUS ADOPTION AND
DEPLOYMENTS HAVE GOALS AND
CHARGING GOALS. WE HAVE TO MEET
IN ORDER TO REACH OUR CLIMATE
GOALS. WE MADE SIGNIFICANT
STRIDES THESE LAST FEW YEARS
MEETING VARIOUS MILESTONES HAVE
HAD A SCHEDULE, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS
ALREADY BEEN STATED 1.5 MILLION
TVS BEFORE THE 2025 GOAL. 25% OF
OUR NEW VEHICLE CELLS ARE
RESERVES NOW. CARB C E. C AND C
P U C HAVE ALL OF ALSO ADOPTED
STRATEGIES TO BUILD THE ROAD MAP
TO HELP US MOVE IN THIS
DIRECTION. AND HAVE MADE
COMMITMENTS TO CENTER EQUITY TO
INCREASE ACCESS FOR LOW INCOME
AND DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
CC FOR EXAMPLE SIX TO INVEST 50%
OF THEIR FUND WHILE CARB HAS
STATED THAT ABOUT 70% OF THEIR
FUNDS BENEFIT PRIORITY
POPULATIONS. HE USUALLY WAS. PUC
WAS PREVIOUSLY INVESTING ABOUT
35% OF THEIR FUNDS AND AS
RECENTLY MADE A BIGGER
COMMITMENT TO INVEST 65% OF
THEIR FUNDS TO BENEFIT
UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES. HOWEVER
WHEN ALL OF THESE COMMITMENTS WE
HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
WORK AHEAD OF US TO DELIVER ON
THE PROMISES TO ENSURE AN
EQUITABLE PATH THAT INCREASES
ACCESS FOR ALL LET'S START FIRST
WITH SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THE
EC HAS ALREADY OUTLINED THE
CHARGING NEEDS IS THAT THE STATE
NEEDS IN ORDER TO MEET OUR
DEMAND. PSC HAS ALSO IDENTIFIED
THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING AND
PROJECTIONS NEEDED FOR
DEPLOYMENT OF CHARGING YET WE
STILL HAVE LOTS OF CHARGERS THAT
NEED TO BE APPROVED, CITED
INSTALLED, ENERGIZED AND
MAINTAINED. WE HAVE BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS OF PROJECTS THAT STILL
NEED TO CHARGE FORWARD. WE ALSO
KNOW THAT 45% OF CALIFORNIANS
ARE RENTERS, MEANING THE STATE
MEANING THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF WORK AND COLLABORATION
NEEDED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
CHARGERS AND MULTI UNIT
DWELLINGS OR OTHER PLACES
RESIDES. UH BESIDES RESIDENTIAL
HOUSING. FOR THOSE THAT ARE
HOMEOWNERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN
OLDER HOMES. WHICH REQUIRE
ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR PANEL
UPGRADES OR OTHER TYPE OF
UPGRADES. UM THERE IS ALSO A
NEED FOR SUPPORT AS SOME OF
THESE PROGRAMS DON'T PAY FOR
CREATING ANOTHER BARRIER FOR
THEM. WE TALKED ABOUT WANTING TO
SEE MORE PUBLIC CHARGING TO MAKE
IT EASIER FOR THOSE THAT DON'T
OWN OR CANNOT CHARGE, UH, IN
THEIR PLACE OF RESIDENCE. YET IT
IS 3 TO 4 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE
TO CHARGE IN PUBLIC THAN AT
HOME. THERE'S ALSO A LIMITED
ALIGNMENT BETWEEN WHERE WE FOCUS
VEHICLE INCENTIVES AND WE'RE
CHARGING INVESTMENTS ARE
HAPPENING. THERE IS A NEED TO
DEVELOP WORKFORCE A WORKFORCE
THAT REFLECTS THE COMMUNITIES
WHERE THESE CHARGERS ARE BEING
INSTALLED AND MAINTAIN. AND
LET'S ALSO NOT FORGET ABOUT THE
NEED TO DEPLOY, CHARGING THE
SUPPORT TRUCKS, BUSSES IMPORT
EQUIPMENT, WHICH WE NOW HAVE
SIGNIFICANT AIR QUALITY
IMPLICATIONS FOR FRONTLINE
COMMUNITIES. AS I MENTIONED. WE
HAVE A LOT OF WORK IN FRONT OF
US, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE
COMMITTED TO ENSURING OUR MOST
VULNERABLE ARE NOT LEFT BEHIND.
IN MIND. I AM OPTIMISTIC, UH,
AND HAVE HOPE THAT WE CAN
ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES IN A
TIMELY MANNER. BUT WE MUST DO SO
EFFECTIVELY AND INTENTIONALLY.
WE MUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL
THE RIGHT PARTY OR THE OR THE
RIGHT PARTNERS. I RUN AT THE
TABLE AND THAT WE DEVELOP A
COMMUNITY DRIVEN PROCESS THAT
PROVIDES COMMUNITIES WITH THE
OPPORTUNITY TO INFORM AND DECIDE
HOW AND WHERE DEPLOYMENT
HAPPENS. WE HAVE DEVELOPED A SET
OF PRINCIPLES TO HELP GUIDE
LEADERSHIP AGENCIES AND OTHER
STAKEHOLDERS THROUGH THIS
PROCESS, AND THE FOLLOWING FOUR
PRINCIPLES WE HOPE CAN HELP IN
THE PLANNING AND IN THE
DEVELOPMENT OF POLICIES THAT
WILL ENSURE WE ARE PROVIDING
DIRECT, MEASURABLE AND
MEANINGFUL BENEFITS TO FRONTLINE
AND PRIORITY POPULATIONS. SO
FIRST WE MUST BE CLEAR AND
DEFINED. UH WE MUST BE CLEAR AND
DEFINE WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY
EQUITY BENEFITS AND ACCOMPANYING
METRICS AND OUTCOMES. AGENCIES
NEED TO CLEARLY STATE WHAT THEY
MEAN WHEN THEY SAY EQUITY AND
WHO THEY ARE PRIORITIZING WITH
THESE INVESTMENTS. EQUITY IS NOT
JUST A BUZZWORD. IT MUST BE A
PRACTICE REFLECTED NOT JUST
THROUGH WORDS BUT THROUGH
ACTIONS, SUPPORT BY
PRIORITIZATION AND INVESTMENTS
IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THE
BIGGEST BARRIERS AND CHALLENGES.
AGENCIES ALSO NEED TO LEVERAGE
ALL THE LOCAL WORK THAT'S BEEN
HAPPENING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT
COMES TO COMMUNITY PLANS LIKE A
B 617 COMMUNITY EMISSION
REDUCTION PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN
DEVELOPED THROUGH A COMMUNITY
DRIVEN PROCESS AND IDENTIFY
INVESTMENT IN TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION. FOR YEARS. THIS
HAS BEEN A REQUEST TO ALIGN THE
WORK THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING ON
THE GROUND WITH THE INVESTMENTS
THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE STATE
LEVEL TO ADVANCE THE GOALS OF
LOCAL COMMUNITIES QUICKER. THIS
ALSO MEANS WE WENT AWAY FROM
THIS EXISTING FIRST COME, FIRST
SERVE OR COMPETITIVE PROCESS TO
DEPLOYING THESE INVESTMENTS AS
THIS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS AN
INEQUITABLE APPROACH THAT ONLY
REINFORCES THE STATUS QUO. THAT
THOSE THAT HAVE ACCESS TO
INFORMATION AND RESOURCES HAVE
ACCESS TO DEPLOYMENT AND
INVESTMENT. WE MUST BE MORE
TARGETED AND INTENTIONAL WITH
OUR INVESTMENT. WE ALSO NEED TO
IDENTIFY WHERE CHARGING IS
NEEDED BY OUTLINING ALL THE
CHARGING DESSERTS THAT WE HAVE
AND WORK WITH COMMUNITY GROUPS
OR OTHER LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS TO
EXPLORE WHAT CHARGING DEPLOYMENT
MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT TYPE OF
BENEFITS AND CO BENEFITS THEY
WANT TO SEE. WHICH BRINGS ME TO
MY 2ND 2ND POINT BENEFITS TO
SERVE PEOPLE AND NOT JUST
PLACES. IT IS EASY BUT ALSO
COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO DISSEMINATE
FUNDING AND DEPLOY
INFRASTRUCTURE IN CENSUS TRACTS
THAT ARE CLASSIFIED AS
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AND
LEAVE IT AT THAT. IF WE WANT TO
MAKE EQUITY RIO AND MAXIMIZE THE
LIMITED STATE RESOURCES THAT WE
HAVE WE MUST THINK MORE
HOLISTICALLY AND ENSURE WE'RE
PROVIDING CLEANER, CLEANER AIR
TRAINING, ACCESS TO JOBS AND
OTHER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
DEPLOYMENT OF RESOURCES IN A
GEOGRAPHIC REGION ON ITS OWN IS
NOT ENOUGH. WE DEAL WITH THIS IN
MIND. WE NEED AGENCIES TO HELP
SUPPORT AND FILL THE GAPS NOT
COVERED BY PRIVATE INDUSTRY BY
BEING INTENTIONAL AND TARGETED
WITH THE USE OF STATE AND OR
RATEPAYER FUNDS. THIRD WE MUST
BE CREATED. WE MUST CREATE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR WEALTH
BUILDING AND FACILITATE ACCESS
TO THE NEW GREEN ECONOMY. TO
CREATE A MORE JUST ECONOMY. WE
MUST REIMAGINE THE BENEFITS OF
COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENTS TO INCLUDE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, LOCAL
HIRING AND OTHER BENEFIT
AGREEMENT FOR COMMUNITIES
IMPACTED BY THE LEGACIES OF
REDLINING, DISINVESTMENT AND
SYSTEMIC RACISM. AND LASTLY,
CLIMATE AND RESILIENCY. PLANNING
SHOULD NOT JUST SHOULD
PRIORITIZE PEOPLE AND NOT JUST
PROPERTY. THESE LAST FEW DAYS.
WE'VE WE'VE SEEN DRASTIC CLIMATE
CONDITIONS FROM FIRES HERE IN
THE NORTH. TO HURRICANE AND
TROPICAL STORMS IN THE SOUTH.
ALL WITHIN THE SAME WEEK. WE
NEED TO PLAN AHEAD AND ENSURE
THAT AS WE DEPLOY MORE CHARGING
AND TVS THAT WERE DOING SO IN A
WAY THAT SUPPORTS COMMUNITIES IN
EXTREME WEATHER CONDITIONS. IN
CLOSING. I WANT TO LEAVE YOU
WITH THE FOLLOWING POLICY LINK,
ALONG WITH DOCUMENTED ADVOCACY
FROM JUST THE DISABLED COMMUNITY
TALKED ABOUT THE CURB CUT
EFFECT. SIDEWAYS SIDEWALK CROW
CUTS, WHICH WERE NOT A STANDARD
DEVELOPMENT REQUIRED ADVOCACY TO
PROVIDE THESE INDENTATIONS TO
ALLOW FOR THOSE IN WHEELCHAIRS
TO PROVIDE TO ALLOW THOSE IN
WHEELCHAIRS TO ACCESS SIDEWALKS.
CURB CUTS, IN TURN ALLOWED FOR
ADDITIONAL BENEFITS FOR DELIVERY
WORKERS, FAMILIES WITH STROLLERS
AND OTHERS. SO WHEN WE DEVELOP
POLICIES AND PROGRAMS DESIGNED
TO BENEFIT BENEFIT OUR MOST
VULNERABLE POPULATIONS. WE
DEVELOP IT. WE DEVELOP BENEFITS
FOR ALL UNTIL WE APPROACH THIS
WORK IN A SIMILAR FASHION WITH
INTENTIONALITY EMPATHY. AND
COMMITMENT. WE WILL NOT MEET OUR
GOALS AND WILL ONLY EXACERBATE
INEQUITIES AND UNNECESSARY
BURDENS. FOR THOSE WITH THAT,
FOR THOSE THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO
BE SUPPORTING FIRST. THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TIME, AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, UH, CHAIR CHIEVO
AND ALL THE MEMBERS HERE TODAY.
MY NAME IS DUNCAN CALLOWAY. I'M
AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT UC
BERKELEY AND CHAIR OF THE ENERGY
AND RESOURCES GROUP. UM VERY
MUCH APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY
TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE
INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES AND
OPPORTUNITIES THAT I SEE TO
CALIFORNIA'S GOALS TO
ELECTRIFIES TRANSPORTATION
SYSTEM. AND TODAY I'D LIKE TO
TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PRESSING
NEED TO CHANGE HOW OUR UTILITIES
PLAN AND REBUILD THE GRID TO
ADDRESS THESE ELECTRIFICATION
GOALS. SO YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT
SLIDE. AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING
WITH THIS SIMPLE SCHEMATIC OF
THE GRID, ALL COMPONENTS OF OUR
GRID NEED TO CHANGE FROM
GENERATION TO TRANSMISSION TO
DISTRIBUTION. TODAY I'D LIKE TO
TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE FOCUS OF
MY RESEARCH THAT IS DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEMS THE LAST MILE OF THE
GRID. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS
FIGURE ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE
THAT THERE ARE SUBSTATIONS
CONNECTED TO FEEDERS THAT GO OUT
TO SERVE ELECTRICAL CUSTOMERS.
IN CALIFORNIA. WE HAVE SEVERAL
1000 SUBSTATIONS, EACH SERVING A
FEW 1000 CUSTOMERS, AND WE HAVE
OVER 10,000 ELECTRICITY FEEDERS
THAT SERVE A FEW 100 TO A FEW
1000 CUSTOMERS. IF WE THINK
ABOUT DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM
PLANNING, THIS IS PRIMARILY DONE
IN A REACTIONARY PROCESS. SO
THERE ARE THREE YEAR
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING PROCESSES
THAT BRING DISTRIBUTION PROJECTS
INTO THE PLAN. UM WITHIN A THREE
YEAR WINDOW, GET APPROVAL AND
EXECUTE THOSE PROJECTS. ONE OF
THE CENTRAL QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE
BEEN ASKING IN. OUR RESEARCH IS
GIVEN THE TRANSITIONS THAT WE'RE
HOPING TO COVER. CAN THIS STATUS
QUO DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PLANNING
PROCESS? CONTINUE. SO IF YOU GO
TO THE NEXT SLIDE UM, YOU CAN
SEE A SUMMARY OF SOME OF OUR
WORK. SO ONE OF THE KEY POINTS
THAT BOTH OUR OWN WORK AS WELL
AS OTHERS, INCLUDING THE
KABBALAH STUDY, AS PART OF THE
HEIDI ARE PROCEEDING, UH,
SPONSORED BY THE CPUC INDICATES
THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NEED
FOR BUILD OUT OF OUR ELECTRICITY
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS. NOW MANY
STUDIES FOCUS VERY LARGE
FINANCIAL INVESTMENTS, AND A LOT
OF THE FOCUS HAS GONE THERE.
WHEN WE HAVE PUT THESE IN A
CONTEXT IN OUR OWN WORK AGAINST
THE INCREASED ELECTRICITY DEMAND
, UM THOSE INVESTMENTS WILL
ENABLE WE THINK THAT THE IMPACT
ON RATEPAYERS ON A PER KILOWATT
HOUR BASIS IS LIKELY TO BE
SMALL, HOWEVER. THE PACE OF WORK
THAT THESE STUDIES IMPLY IS
UNPRECEDENTED, AND THEY POSE A
NUMBER OF IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP FIGURE
IN A STUDY THAT WE'VE DONE FOR
PACIFIC GAS AND ELECTRIC, UH,
FOCUSING OUT ON THE 2050 TIME
SCALE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ACROSS A
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
NEARLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF PG
AND E S 3000 DISTRIBUTION
FEEDERS WILL NEED TO BE UPGRADED
TO REACH OUR CLEAN ELECTRICITY
TRANSPORTATION GOALS. IF YOU
LOOK DOWN AT THE SECOND FIGURE,
WE CAN SEE WHAT THAT IMPLIES. AT
AN AVERAGE PACE OF WORK ACROSS
US A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
TIMESCALES, SO IF YOU JUST FOCUS
ON THE 2030 TIMESCALE ARE
ESTIMATES SUGGEST THAT UPWARDS
OF ABOUT 200 DISTRIBUTION
THEATERS WILL NEED TO BE
UPGRADED ON A PER YEAR BASIS.
THIS IS COMPARED AGAINST A
HISTORICAL RATE OF WORK. OF
ABOUT 60 TO 70 DISTRIBUTION
FEEDER PROJECTS PER YEAR. SO THE
QUESTION I THINK THAT THIS POSES
HIS CAN DISTRIBUTION EQUIPMENT
SUPPLY CHAINS DELIVER CAPACITY
AT THE NECESSARY RATE IS OUR
UTILITY WORKFORCE READY TO
DESIGN AND BUILD THOSE PROJECTS.
AND FURTHERMORE, ANOTHER
QUESTION, I THINK IS WELL, ALL
COMMUNITIES HAVE EQUAL ACCESS AS
WE BUILD OUT. DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM INFRASTRUCTURE, SO IF YOU
GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THE POINT
THAT I WANT TO MAKE ON THIS
SLIDE IS THAT IF WORKFORCE AND
SUPPLY CHAINS CANNOT DELIVER
THANK COMMUNITIES OF COLOR,
MAYBE THE MOST HEAVILY IMPACTED
, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FIGURE
ON THE RIGHT I'M NOT ASKING YOU
TO LOOK AT ANY ONE OF THE
INDIVIDUAL COLORS IN THIS MAP,
BUT IT'S A MAP OF OUR OWN WORK
FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA L, A
AND ORANGE COUNTIES. THE COLORS
HERE REPRESENT THE CAPACITY OF
DISTRIBUTION GRIDS TO
ACCOMMODATE NEW ELECTRICITY
LOAD. SO YOU CAN SEE. IT'S
EXTREMELY HETEROGENEOUS
SPATIALLY AND WHEN WE LOOK AT
HOW THAT SPATIAL VARIABILITY
CORRELATES WITH AH COMMUNITIES,
BUT WE SEE IS THAT COMMUNITIES
WITH INCREASING AMOUNTS OF BLACK
IDENTIFYING RESIDENTS AND
INCREASING AMOUNTS OF LATIN X
IDENTIFYING RESIDENTS. ON
AVERAGE, HAVE LESS DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM CAPACITY FOR ELECTRIFYING
THEIR LOADS. THIS IS NOT TO
SUGGEST THAT THEY CANNOT
ELECTRIFY THEIR LOADS IN SMALL
PARTS TODAY, BUT IT SUGGESTS
THAT AS WE GO FORWARD WITH OUR
GOALS, THERE COULD BE MAJOR
OBSTACLES. IT ALSO SUGGESTS THAT
HISTORICAL DISTRIBUTION PLANNING
PROCESSES HAVE NOT SERVED THESE
COMMUNITIES AND SET THEM UP FOR
ELECTRIFICATION. SO IF YOU GO TO
THE NEXT SLIDE, I WANT TO TALK
ABOUT IF YOU SOLUTIONS, SO THE
FIRST THING THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN
OUR OWN WORK IS THAT
DISTRIBUTION GRID FOCUS, SMART
CHARGING CAN DELAY THE NEED TO
BUILD NEW CAPACITY. SO THIS
CHART IS SHOWING YOU ON THE
HORIZONTAL AXIS. SOME DIFFERENT
LEVELS OF FLEXIBILITY IN
CHARGING, UH, ENABLING ELECTRIC
VEHICLES TO CHARGE DURING TIMES
WHEN THERE IS DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM CAPACITY AVAILABLE SO YOU
CAN SEE THAT. LET'S LOOK AT THE
2030 LINE. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE
CAN GO FROM NEEDING 1500
PROJECTS. ALL THE WAY OUT TO
ONLY 1000 PROJECTS ON THAT TIME
SCALE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH
FLEXIBILITY SO I THINK THE TAKE
HOME POINT HERE IS THAT WE NEED
TO DOUBLE DOWN AND CONTINUE TO
ACCELERATE DEVELOPMENT OF
HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE AND
CUSTOMER ENGAGEMENT IN THE
EXTREME NEAR TERM TO ENABLE, UH
, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF
PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO MEET
THESE GOALS. ANOTHER POINT THAT
I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT LONGER
TERM DISTRIBUTION PLANNING TOOLS
NEED TO BE PUT IN PLACE TO
ENABLE PROACTIVE, BUILD OUT. SO
WHAT I MEAN HERE. IS THAT
UTILITIES? I THINK NEED TO, UM
GIVE VERY CLEAR PLANS ON AT
LEAST A 10 YEAR TIMESCALE TO
EXPLAIN FOR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM
CAPACITY. WHAT IS THEIR PLAN FOR
MANAGING A WORKFORCE AND
MANAGING A SUPPLY CHAIN THAT
WILL ENABLE ECUADOR BUILT
EQUITABLE BUILD OUT OF
DISTRIBUTION GRID CAPACITY? UM
SO THAT WE CAN MEET OUR CLEAN
ENERGY GOALS. SO IN CLOSING. I'D
JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK
THAT THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM
IMPACTS ARE CRITICAL IMPEDIMENT
TO TRANSPORTATION.
ELECTRIFICATION I THINK WE HAVE
CLEAR PATHS THAT TO ENSURE THAT
CALIFORNIANS WON'T GET CAUGHT
WITHOUT SUFFICIENT GREAT
CAPACITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME. THANK YOU, MR GARRITY. WE
WAIT FOR MY SLIDE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR CHAIRMAN, MADAM
CHAIR VICE CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS
KEVIN GERRITY. I AM THE CHIEF
OPERATING OFFICER AND CHIEF
SAFETY OFFICER FOR SAN DIEGO GAS
ELECTRIC COMPANY, AND I'M
PLEASED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU
TODAY TO PROVIDE STDS
PERSPECTIVE ON THE STATE OF
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING IN
CALIFORNIA AND THE
INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO SUPPORT
THESE EFFORTS. SDG AND E IS
REGULATED PUBLIC UTILITY THAT
SERVES ABOUT 3.7 MILLION PEOPLE
IN SAN DIEGO AND SOUTHERN ORANGE
COUNTY'S OUR SERVICE AREA SPANS
OVER 4000 SQUARE MILES, AND OUR
SYSTEM INCLUDES OVER 1800 MILES
OF TRANSMISSION LINES AND 17,000
MILES OF DISTRIBUTION LINES, 62%
OF WHICH ARE UNDER GROUNDED. WE
HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH
PLANNING, PERMITTING,
CONSTRUCTING AND MAINTAINING
SAFE AND RELIABLE ELECTRIC
INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE
COMMUNITIES WE SERVE, WHICH
INCLUDES SOME OF THE STATE'S
MOST FIRE PRONE AND
ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
CALIFORNIA HAS SET AMBITIOUS
CLIMATE GOALS TO ACHIEVE ECONOMY
WIDE CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2045
IN THE QUESTION BEFORE US TODAY
IS HOW WE WORK TOGETHER TO REACH
THESE GOALS. THE VOLUME OF
ELECTRICITY THAT MUST BE
DELIVERED TO CUSTOMERS TO MEET
OUR CLIMATE GOALS IS
UNPRECEDENTED. WE MUST BE
PROACTIVE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
COMPARING THE 2019 HYPER
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
COMPONENTS TO THE 2022 HYPER
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
COMPONENTS SHOWS A SIGNIFICANT
INCREASE IN THE 2022 IEPER. SD
GENIE WAS INITIALLY PLANNING FOR
THE 2019 CE CI PER
TRANSPORTATION LEDFORD
ELECTRIFICATION SCENARIOS PART
OF ITS CURRENT GRC. THE 2022
TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION
SCENARIO IS NOW QUITE A BIT MORE
REFLECTIVE OF WHAT SD JENNY WILL
ACTUALLY FACED, AND IT IS MORE
DIFFICULT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT
NEW LOW DEMAND WITHOUT
ADDITIONAL FUNDING. AND
COMPARING THE YEAR 2030 OF THE
TÔI PER FORECAST. THERE COULD BE
A NEED OF APPROXIMATELY 160
MEGAWATTS OF TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION LOAD GROWTH THAT
SDG HAD NOT ORIGINALLY PLANNED
FOR, AND I CAN SHARE YOU WITH
YOU TODAY ON THE REASONABLE
PROJECTS THAT I EXPECT TO MOVE
FORWARD IN THE NEAR TERM IS FAR
MORE THAN 160 MEGAWATTS. LARGE
LOAD REQUIRES LONGER LEAD TIME
TO UPGRADE THE GRID TO SERVE. A
LONG LEAD TIME PROJECTS SUCH AS
NEW SUBSTATIONS, REQUIRING LAND
PROCUREMENT. EXISTING
SUBSTATIONS. GROWTH NEED TO BE
QUICKLY INITIATED NOW TO ENSURE
WE ARE READY TO SORT OF LOAD IN
2030. THE CURRENT FOUR YEAR
PLANNING AND COST RECOVERY MODEL
IS NOT FLEXIBLE ENOUGH. IN FACT,
IF THE UTILITY WERE TO
PRIORITIZE GRC APPROVED DOLLARS
IN UNANTICIPATED GROWTH, SUCH AS
FROM TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION UTILITY MAY NO
LONGER HAVE FUNDING TO PERFORM
THE SAFETY AND RELIABILITY WORK
THAT MAY HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
ENERGY R C AND THAT IS JUST NOT
AN ACCEPTABLE TRADEOFF IN THE
CLIMATE VULNERABLE AREA LIKE SAN
DIEGO. THE CURRENT REGULATORY
GRC PROCESS IS NOT DESIGNED TO
ADAPT TO THE SCOPE, SIZE, RAPID
CHANGE AND UNPREDICTABLE NATURE
OF WHERE ELECTRIC DEMAND WILL
INCREASE AS A RESULT OF CHANGING
CONSUMER BEHAVIOR, LIKE
TRANSPORTATION AND BUILDING
ELECTRIFICATION. DECARBONIZATION
IS COMING AT US FROM ALL ANGLES
, IMPACTING CONSUMERS,
DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS. I USE
HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY EVERY FOUR
YEARS IN THE GRC TO USE FORECAST
DATA TO INFORM GREAT INVESTMENTS
TO SAFELY AND RELIABLY SERVE OUR
CUSTOMERS WITHOUT A NEW, CLEAR
AND SUBSTANTIAL, FLEXIBLE COST
RECOVERY MECHANISM TO ALLOW THE
USE TO QUICKLY TO PIVOT RESPOND
. WE WILL NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES
TO KEEP PACE WITH GREAT
TRANSFORMATION NEEDS THROUGH
2045. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SDG
KNEES, NECK PATH AND A ZERO
STUDY WAS THE FIRST PUBLICLY
AVAILABLE ANALYSIS AT THE TIME
TO MODEL CALIFORNIA,
DECARBONIZATION THROUGH TO 2045
IN A RELIABILITY FOCUSED WAY. IN
OTHER WORDS, CAN WE DELIVER THE
CLEAN ENERGY AND HOLD THE GRID
TOGETHER? THE STUDY PROJECTED
THAT AN SDG ANY SERVICE
TERRITORY ELECTRICITY
CONSUMPTION DOUBLES FROM 2020 TO
2045, PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY
ELECTRIC TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
SDG SERVICE AREA. WE EXPECT TO
SEE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH AND ZERO
EMISSION VEHICLE ADOPTION FROM
FEWER THAN 100,020 22 ABOUT 3.4
MILLION BY 2045. AND REGARDING
THAT CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
SAN DIEGO COUNTY HAD 7000 E V.
CHARGERS IN 2020 STDS PATH AND
AT ZERO PREDICTS BY 2030. WE
COULD SEE 180,000 CHARGERS AND
BY 2045, WE COULD SEE 640,000
CHARGERS. SDG NEED CONTINUES TO
RECEIVE REQUESTS FOR DC FAST
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE RANGING
FROM SIX CHARGERS UP TO 64
CHARGERS PER SITE PER SITE. AND
THAT IS JUST WHAT WE HAVE IN THE
QUEUE TODAY OR HEARING EVEN
BIGGER CONNECTIONS, AND THEY
JUST KIND OF GIVE A
CHARACTERIZED WHAT ONE OF THOSE
CHARGERS MEANS. ONE OF THOSE
CHARGERS IS THE EQUIVALENT OF
ABOUT 50 HOME DEMANDS. FOR ABOUT
SO FOR ABOUT EVERY 40 OF THOSE
CHARGERS. IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF
A MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY, 2000
HOMES. YOU KNOW TODAY WHEN WE
THINK ABOUT A 2000 HOME MASTER
PLAN DEVELOPMENT WE KNOW ABOUT A
YEARS IN ADVANCE. LITERALLY
TODAY, FOLKS THAT WANT TO BUILD
THIS INFRASTRUCTURE CAN KNOCK ON
OUR DOOR AND WANT IT WITHIN A
YEAR. IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT
WE NEED TO CHANGE AND PREPARE
FOR AND, UM WE NEED TO MOVE MORE
QUICKLY AND PROACTIVELY. NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE. UH CALLIE SHOWS
NEW TRANSMISSION PLAN IDENTIFIES
45 PROJECTS FOR SYSTEM EXPANSION
AND UPGRADES IN THE NEXT 10
YEARS, THE LARGEST TRANCHE OF
NEW TRANSMISSION IN CALAIS. SHE
WAS PLANNING HISTORY AND IT'S
WELL NEEDED AND THIS DOES NOT
ACCOUNT FOR THE TRANSMISSION
NEEDED OVER THE LONGER TERM TO
ACCESS RESOURCES LIKE OFFSHORE
WIND. IT CAN TAKE 10 TO 15 YEARS
OR LONGER TO FORECAST CUSTOMER
DEMAND. PLAN THE SYSTEM AND
CONSTRUCT THIS TYPE OF
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BIGGEST
CHALLENGE IN DEVELOPING
TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE
QUICKLY IS THE COMPLEX AND
LENGTHY PERMITTING ENVIRONMENTAL
REVIEW PROCESS, PARTICULARLY FOR
THESE LONG LINEAR FACILITIES,
WHICH OFTEN CROSSED MANY
JURISDICTIONS. WE KNOW THIS
REALLY WELL. FROM I THINK WE'RE
PROBABLY LAST UTILITY TO BUILD A
LENGTHY 500 KV LINE IN OUR
STATE. THAT WAS THE SUNRISE
POWER LINK WAS ABOUT 1000
MEGAWATTS OF POWER ORIGINATING
OUT OF OUR IMPERIAL VALLEY
SUBSTATION TRAVELING 120 MILES
TO SAN DIEGO. THE ENVIRONMENTAL
REVIEW AND PERMITTING PROCESS
STARTED IN 2004. IT TOOK NEARLY
FIVE YEARS TO COMPLETE. THERE
WERE SEVERAL YEARS OF
LITIGATION. AT BOTH THE STATE
AND FEDERAL LINES. IT ONLY TOOK
21 LUNCH TO BUILD THE LINE. SO
BUILDING THEM IS NOT THE
CHALLENGE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
IN CONCLUSION. SDG IS GRATEFUL
FOR THE WORK BEING DONE BY OUR
LEGISLATORS AT THE STATE AND
FEDERAL LEVEL, THE GOVERNOR'S
OFFICE AND ACROSS THE VARIOUS
AGENCIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE
FOR PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTING
CALIFORNIA'S ENERGY TRANSITION,
AND WE APPRECIATE THE VARIOUS
EFFORTS UNDERWAY TO EXPEDITE AND
STREAMLINE THE PROCESS OF
PLANNING AND BUILDING ELECTRIC
TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION
REGARDING TRANSMISSION WOULD
LIKE TO SEE THE CPUC SEQUENT
PERMITTING PROCESSES. MODERNIZED
ESPECIALLY FOR THE TRANSMISSION
LINE PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO
SUPPORT CLEAN ENERGY TRANSITION
. THIS INCLUDES REQUIRING A
PRESUMPTION OF NEED FOR CALLIE
SO APPROVED TRANSMISSION PROJECT
AND LIMITING THE RANGE OF
PROJECT ALTERNATIVES TO THOSE
THAT MEET THE OBJECTIVES OF THE
CALI SO APPROVED TRANSMISSION
PROJECT. WE BELIEVE THAT
EXPEDITING THE EMINENT DOMAIN
PROCESS AND EXPANDING RIGHTS OF
WAYS WOULD REDUCE PROJECT
TIMELINES. REGARDING
DISTRIBUTION INFRASTRUCTURE, A
SIGNIFICANT ROADBLOCK FOR
ELECTRIC UTILITIES IS THAT WE DO
NOT OPERATE UNDER A BUILD IT AND
THEY WILL COME ENVIRONMENT WE
OPERATE UNDER A BUILDING WHEN
THEY COME THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE
IF UTILITIES ARE GOING TO BE
READY TO QUICKLY ENERGIZED THE
SIGNIFICANT TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION LOAD THAT WILL
BE FORTHCOMING TO SUPPORT STATE
GOALS. BALANCING ACCOUNTS ARE
ESTABLISHED FOR COSTS THAT THE
UTILITY AND THE REGULATOR CANNOT
REASONABLY FORECAST FOR A FUTURE
PERIOD. THAT IS WHY MECHANISM
LIKE A TWO WAY BALANCING ACCOUNT
WITH THE MATERIAL AND CLEAR
LEVEL OF INSTRUMENTALITY MUST BE
IN EFFECT THROUGH 2045. THE
BALANCING ACCOUNT GIVES
UTILITIES A LEVEL OF NIMBLENESS
TO RESPOND TO ELECTRIFICATION
DRIVEN CAPACITY, ESPECIALLY
TRANSPORTATION. ELECTRIFICATION
NEEDS. SENATE BILL 4 10 ATTEMPTS
TO TAKE A POSITIVE STEP IN THIS
DIRECTION. HOWEVER, IT MAY STILL
FALL SHORT WITHOUT MORE
LEADERSHIP AND CLARITY RELATED
TO ITS DURATION AND MAGNITUDE
AND THE NEED FOR UNANTICIPATED
ELECTRIFICATION BOUNCING
ACCOUNTS. AND I DO NOT MEAN TO
ONLY CHALLENGE THE LEGISLATURE,
SDG HAS ESTABLISHED AN
ELECTRIFICATION RISK MANAGEMENT
COMMITTEE THAT I CHAIR IN ORDER
TO EVALUATE OUR EXISTING
PROCESSES, STRUCTURE AND
PROCEDURES TO ENSURE WE ARE
POSITIONING OURSELVES TO SUPPORT
THE TRANSFER TRANSITION TO
ELECTRIFICATION OF THE
TRANSPORTATION SECTOR. AND TO
MAKE AND MANY TIMES IN THAT
COMMITTEE TO MAKE THE VERY
DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT WE
ANTICIPATE. DO WE USE GRC FUNDS
ON UNANTICIPATED, UNPLANNED FOR
NEW DEMAND? THAT IS NOT IN THAT
GRC OR DO WE LOOK AT OUR SAFETY
AND RELIABILITY INVESTMENT THAT
THAT GRC ANTICIPATED APPROVED?
WE HAVE THE UTILITY NEED TO
SHIFT FROM MINDSET OF LOW TO NO
GROWTH, INCREMENTAL ITTY THAT
HAS RULED FOR DECADES AND HAS
BEEN EFFECTIVE TO A GROWTH
MINDSET. WE SEE OPPORTUNITIES TO
PROMOTE A CLEAN, SAFE, RELIABLE
ENERGY FUTURE WHILE PROTECTING
THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES AND
COMMUNITY VALUES. AND WE STAND
READY TO WORK WITH YOU TO
ACHIEVE THE STATE'S GOALS FOR
THE BENEFIT OF FUTURE
GENERATIONS, BUT WE'RE ALL
CHALLENGED TO ADOPT THE RIGHT.
NO REGRETS APPROACH TO ENABLE
THIS RAPID TRANSITION AND THAT
CONCLUDES MY TESTIMONY. THANK
YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
BE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU, SIR.
MR FERNANDEZ. THINK EXCUSE ME.
THANK YOU, CHAIR OF MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF. MY NAME
IS ROCKY FERNANDEZ AND THE
DIRECTOR OF POLICY FOR THE
CENTER FOR SUSTAINABLE ENERGY OR
CSC. CSC IS A NATIONAL NONPROFIT
WITH A SIMPLE MISSION
CARBONIZED. WE ACCELERATE
ADOPTION OF ZERO EMISSION
TRANSPORTATION AND DISTRIBUTED
ENERGY THROUGH EFFECTIVE AND
EQUITABLE, DATA DRIVEN SOFTWARE
ENABLED PROGRAM, DESIGN AND
ADMINISTRATION. WE FIND
EVERYTHING WE DO WITH THE
REVENUE WE EARNED FROM THE
CONTRACTS WE COMPETE FOR ON THE
OPEN MARKET. CSC ADMINISTERS
CLEAN ENERGY AND TRANSPORTATION
AND CENTER PROGRAMS VALUED AT
OVER $4.8 BILLION FOR
GOVERNMENTS, UTILITIES AND THE
PRIVATE SECTOR ACROSS THE US,
INCLUDING LARGE SCALE EVIE
CHARGING AND INCENTIVE PROGRAMS
IN MULTIPLE STATES VALUED AT
OVER $560 MILLION THIS INCLUDES
THE LARGEST STATEWIDE EVIE
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM
IN THE US, THE CALIFORNIA
ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE
PROJECT, OR CALLIE V. I P.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT ABOUT
HOW THAT WORKS. THE MONEY FLOW
FOR CALLIE VIP STARTS RIGHT HERE
IN THE LEGISLATURE THROUGH THE
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM
AUTHORIZED BY EVERYONE. 18 AND A
B EIGHT. THE STATE'S INVESTMENT
IN RMB INFRASTRUCTURE IS VITAL
TO THE CONTINUED EXPANSION OF
VEHICLE ELECTRIFICATION AND
CONTRIBUTES TO THE SIGNIFICANT
INCREASE IN MARKET SHARE FOR NEW
EVEY PURCHASES BY, AMONG OTHER
THINGS, REDUCING SO CALLED RANGE
ANXIETY. FURTHERMORE THESE
PUBLIC INVESTMENTS ARE A
NECESSARY PILLAR IN MEETING
CALIFORNIA'S EQUITY GOALS. THE V
I P PROJECT HAS BEEN FUNDED BY
TWO SEPARATE GRANTS AUTHORIZED
BY THE ENERGY COMMISSION UNDER
THE CLEAN TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM
, CSC WAS AWARDED THESE GRANTS
THROUGH A COMPETITIVE
SOLICITATION PROCESS HELD BY THE
ENERGY COMMISSION. UPON A WORD
CSC AND THE ENERGY COMMISSION
COLLABORATIVE TO DESIGN THE
PROGRAMS TO ACHIEVE IMPORTANT
STATE GOALS AS SET BY THE
LEGISLATURE. THE FIRST GRANT
BLOCK GRANT ONE RBG. ONE WAS
LAUNCHED IN LATE 2017 AND THE
AMOUNT OF $226 MILLION AND IN
FRONT OF THE CREATION AND
ADMINISTRATION OF 13 INCENTIVE
PROJECTS IN 36 COUNTIES. THE
SECOND GRANT IS NOW UNDERWAY.
BLOCK GRANT TO RBG TO CSC WAS
AWARDED THIS PROGRAM IN DECEMBER
2021 WITH THE 1ST $30 MILLION
PROJECT, LAUNCHED THIS PAST
JANUARY WITH A SECOND PROJECT
SCHEDULED TO COMMENCE THIS ARE 2
SEPTEMBER 13TH WITH A TOTAL
REBATE FUNDING OF $38 MILLION. B
G ONE, HELPED DEPLOY
APPROXIMATELY 4000 CHARTERS WITH
THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL CHARTERS
IN THE PIPELINE, AND THEY'RE
BEING DEPLOYED. NOW AS WE SPEAK
THROUGH AUGUST, 2025 OF THE
TOTAL FUNDS RESERVED 41.7% HAVE
BEEN RESERVED FOR DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITY OR LOW INCOME
COMMUNITY SITES. THE
METHODOLOGIES USED TO DISPERSE
FUNDS UNDER BLOCK GRANT ONE AND
BLOCK GRANT TO DIFFER
SUBSTANTIALLY. REFLECT NOT JUST
REFLECTING THE DIFFERENT
MATURITY LEVELS OF THE CHARGING
MARKET, BUT ALSO EMBRACING THE
LESSONS LEARNED FROM BLOCK GRANT
ONE. FOR REFERENCE WHEN BLOCK
GRANT ONE WAS LAUNCHED IN
DECEMBER, 2017 THE V SHARE OF
ALL NEW CAR SALES WAS A VERY
MODEST 4.29% COMPARED TO THE
APPROXIMATELY 25% SHARE IN
QUARTER TWO OF THIS YEAR. THE
DESIGNER BLOCK GRANT TO WHICH
CSC CREATED IN COLLABORATION
WITH THE ENERGY COMMISSION.
FOCUSES ON APPLICANTS LIKELY TO
SUCCEED IN TIMELY CHARGING
DEPLOYMENT. IT DOES THIS BY
ISSUING INCENTIVES IN ACCORDANCE
WITH AN APPLICANT TEARING SYSTEM
BASED ON DEMONSTRATED READINESS
AND THROUGH USE OF PROGRESSIVE
PROGRESS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. THE
TRACKS MILESTONES SUBJECTS
APPLICANTS TO CANCELATIONS AND
TRACKS DELAYS. APPLICANTS THAT
PROVIDED BOTH AN APPROVED
UTILITY DESIGN AND ISSUED
BUILDING PERMIT AT THE TIME OF
APPLICATION FILING ARE AWARDED
TIER ONE STATUS ARE READY TO
BUILD APPLICANTS WITH THE FINAL
UTILITY DESIGN IN HAND IN A
PERMIT APPLICATION OR INTERIOR
TO, OR DESIGN APPROVED. AND
APPLICANTS WITH FINAL UTILITY
DESIGN IN PROGRESS AND PERMIT
APPLICATION, UH IN RECEIVED TIER
THREE OR DESIGN IN PROGRESS
STATUS. TO READY THE MARKET FOR
THE LAUNCH OF A PROJECT A
WEBINAR IS HELD TO DESCRIBE THIS
TIERED SYSTEM TO APPLICANTS AND
ALL THE OTHER ELIGIBILITY
REQUIREMENTS IN THE OPEN AND
CLOSED DATES OF THE WINDOWS ARE
WELL ADVERTISED. A BIT ABOUT
EQUITY. PROGRAM DESIGN THAT
EQUITABLY DELIVERS THE VALUE OF
CLEAN ENERGY IS CORE TO CSC'S
MISSION TO DE CARBONIZED EQUITY
WAS SERVED IN BLOCK BLOCK GRANT
ONE THROUGH THE RESERVATION OF
41.7% OF FUNDS FOR DEPLOYMENT
AND DISADVANTAGE IN LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES AND THROUGH ENGAGING
COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO
EXECUTE THE COMMUNITY LEVEL
EDUCATION. BLOCK GRANT TO BRINGS
AN EVEN MORE INTENSE FOCUS ON
DELIVERING ON DISADVANTAGE IN
LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES. WORKING
WITH OUR CBO PARTNERS. CSC WORKS
WITH MAPPING TOOLS THAT IDENTIFY
AND RANK ELIGIBLE SITES BASED
OFF THE COMMUNITY'S OBJECTIVES
AND EQUITY NEEDS. THIS SAVES
TIME AND EFFORT THAT CAN BE
REPURPOSED IN THE SITE AND
PROVIDER ENGAGEMENT AND SECURING
UTILITY DESIGN AND PERMITTING,
INCREASING THE NUMBER OF
PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN THE
PERCENTAGE OF APPLICATIONS
REACHING TIER ONE STATUS DURING
THE WINDOW. FINALLY BLOCK GRANT
TO EXCLUSIVELY FUNDS DIRECT
CURRENT FAST CHARGERS WITH A
STRONG EMPHASIS ON SITES IN
DISADVANTAGE IN LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES. LET'S TALK ABOUT
DELAYS. HISTORICALLY APPLICANTS
IN BLOCK GRANT ONE EXPERIENCED
SIGNIFICANT DELAY IN OBTAINING
UTILITY SERVICE DESIGN APPROVALS
AND BUILDING PERMITS FROM THE
APPLICABLE JURISDICTIONS. UNDER
THE CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS
TRACKER SOFTWARE PLATFORM
DEPLOYED IN BLOCK GRANT TO CSC
WILL BETTER ATTRACT DEPLOYMENT
DELAYS, INCLUDING THOSE SERVICE
, UTILITY SERVICE, DESIGN
APPROVALS AND BUILDING PERMIT
DELAYS. THESE DELAYS WILL BE
QUANTIFIED ON A PROJECT BASIS.
AND CATEGORIZED BY UTILITY AND
JURISDICTION, PROVIDING THE
FACTUAL DETAIL NECESSARY TO
DESIGN SOLUTIONS THAT SOLVE
THOSE DEPLOYMENT CHALLENGES AND
ENSURE THAT WE GET THE MAXIMUM
VALUE FROM THIS INVESTMENT OF
TAXPAYER FUNDS. ADDITIONAL
ELECTRA UH ELECTRIC UTILITY AND
JURISDICTIONAL RESOURCES WILL BE
VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY AS WE
SEEK TO ACCELERATE
INFRASTRUCTURE DEPLOYMENT. TO
KEEP UP WITH THE MASS MARKET. UH
MASS MARKET CONSUMER ADOPTION.
IT WAS HIS SKYROCKETING.
SOLUTIONS TO DELAY COULD INCLUDE
THE AUGMENTATION OF UTILITY AND
AGENCY PERMITTING STAFF WITH
THIRD PARTY EXPERTS THAT CONDUCT
THE NECESSARY APPROVAL REVIEW,
WHICH WOULD THEN BE SUBMITTED
FOR EXPEDITED FINAL APPROVAL BY
IN HOUSE UTILITY OR AGENCY
STAFF. WE LOOK FORWARD TO
PRESENTING MORE OF THIS DATA AND
RESOLVING THESE DELAYS AS CALVI
E V. I. P. 2.0 INFLAMMATION
CONTINUES AND WE THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS. I SWEAR I'M NEVER
GOING TO GET THESE BUTTONS. SO,
UM I APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING
HERE TODAY AND SHARING THE
IMPORTANT INFORMATION. I FELT
LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION SOUND
EFFECTS IN THE BACKGROUND OF
IMPENDING DOOM WAS A LITTLE BIT
SCARY, SOUND EFFECT TO GO WITH
THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE
HAVING, BUT, UM, BUT I THINK YOU
KNOW, BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE
WORK THAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE
CLEARLY WE HAVE A BIG, UM
PROJECT AHEAD OF US AND I KNOW
IT'S GOING TO TAKE EVERYONE
WORKING TOGETHER AND BEING
INNOVATIVE AND, UM AND
REIMAGINING HOW WE DO THIS WORK
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE THESE
GOALS. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I
WANTED TO TURN IT OVER TO MY
COLLEAGUES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS
IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS
THEY'D LIKE TO MR MURATSUCHI.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEE UM THE
. SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE. UM
DISCUSSES, UH DIFFERENT STUDIES
TRYING TO ASSESS THE POTENTIAL
COST IMPACT ON REPAIRS FROM EVIE
CHARGING, BUILD OUT, UM SITE S¼.
2019 STUDY FROM THE BOSTON
CONSULTING GROUP, FINDING THAT
THE COST OF THE INVESTMENTS
OUTWEIGHED THE ADDITIONAL
UTILITY REVENUE AND THAT IT
WOULD, UH HAVE THE NET RESULT OF
INCREASING COSTS ON ELECTRICITY
RATES. UH AND THAT ALSO CITES A,
UH A DIFFERENT STUDY PUT OUT BY
THE NATIONAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL FROM 2020 TO FINDING THE
NET EFFECT OF DECREASING RATES
ACROSS THE CUSTOMER BASE. WHAT
WHAT IS THE PCS PROJECTION IN
TERMS OF THE OVERALL IMPACT OF.
E V CHARGING BUILD OUT ON RAY
PARIS. THANK YOU
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TSUJI. SO A
COUPLE OF THINGS THERE, UM, ONE
YOU KNOW, IN THE VERY, VERY LONG
TERM, THERE MAY BE DOWNWARD
PRESSURE ON ELECTRIC RATES DUE
TO INCREASED ELECTRIFICATION,
BOTH FROM BUILDINGS AND ELECTRIC
VEHICLES THAT IS STILL QUITE FAR
INTO THE FUTURE. UM WE'LL HAVE
TO SEE YOU KNOW, COSTS COME DOWN
ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WIDER
SCALE DEPLOYMENT. BUT THE
CONCEPT THERE IS, YOU KNOW,
RELATED TO SPREADING OUT SOME OF
THE FIXED COSTS OVER GREATER
SALES THAT REDUCES THE RATE. BUT
AGAIN, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE
THAT THAT IS FURTHER DOWN THE
ROAD. UM AND THEN ALSO, YOU
KNOW, PART OF YOUR COMMENT HAD
TO DO WITH SOME OF THE STUDIES
ABOUT THE OVERALL COSTS, AND
THERE'S THE 2019 STUDY. UM YOU
KNOW, THE COMMISSION HAD WORKED
WITH A CONSULTANT TO PUT OUT A
DRAFT STUDY THAT'S BEEN OUT FOR
COMMENT. UM THAT, UH, ALSO HAS
LARGE NUMBERS, AND THAT'S OUT
FOR COMMENT. SO I THINK THROUGH
THAT COMMENT PROCESS WILL BE
ABLE TO CRYSTALLIZE MAYBE A BIT
MORE ABOUT THOSE STUDY COSTS. UM
AND SO I MENTIONED THAT AND THEN
ALSO, MR CALLOWAY ALSO MENTIONED
THOSE STUDIES AS WELL. SO I
THINK THAT THERE ARE MORE
STUDIES OUT NOW THAT ARE LOOKING
AT THIS WITH THE UPDATED
INFORMATION OF, UM, STATE
REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR EXAMPLE,
ELECTRIC VEHICLE REGULATIONS,
AND SO I THINK, LOOKING AT 2019
TO TODAY OR LAST YEAR WHEN WE
WERE WORKING ON THE STUDIES. UM
WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
BOTH THOSE TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION. AH REGULATIONS
THAT ARE IN PLACE AS WELL AS
BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION GOALS.
UM AND SO THAT MIGHT INCREASE
THE NUMBER. BUT YOU KNOW, THESE
ARE THE REGULATIONS THAT OUR
LEGISLATURE THAT WE'RE WORKING
SO HARD TO MEET THOSE
REQUIREMENTS AND SO AGAIN, I
THINK IN THE LONG TERM, THERE
MIGHT BE SOME DOWNWARD PRESSURE
ON RATES, BUT I AGREE THAT THERE
ARE GOING TO BE VERY SIGNIFICANT
COSTS UNTIL THEN, AND WE NEED TO
BE ENHANCING OUR PLANNING
PROCESSES. AND ALSO MAKING SURE
THAT WE HAVE VERY SECURE
OVERSIGHT OVER THE COST THAT THE
UTILITIES ARE EXPENDING TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BALANCE
THOSE AND MANAGE COSTS FOR
REPAIRS. THANK YOU, MR CALLOWAY
. UH MISS TESTIFY REFER TO YOU.
I MEAN, YOUR YOUR STUDIES, WOULD
WE CONCUR THAT OVERALL?
ASSESSMENT UP FRONT. A ENORMOUS
COSTS. UH PERHAPS OVER THE LONG
TERM. ECONOMIC. DYNAMICS LEADING
TO LOWER. READ PARA COSTS. YEAH,
I THINK THAT THAT'S A, UM I
FULLY AGREE WITH MS SATISFY, UM
I BELIEVE THAT THE COSTS THAT
ARE INCURRED IN THE SHORT RUN DO
DEPEND ON HOW WE PROCEED. THE
COST WILL BE LARGE. BUT THERE
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COST
CONTAINMENT BOTH, UM IN TERMS OF
PUC OVERSIGHT. UM BUT ALSO, UM
ENSURING THAT WE DON'T FIND
OURSELVES AS COMING BACK TO SOME
OF MY KEY POINTS IN SITUATIONS
WHERE THERE'S TREMENDOUS PLAYER
PRESSURE ON SUPPLY CHAINS TO
DELIVER THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S
NEEDED TO DO THESE PROJECTS. UM
I ALSO STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT
ALTHOUGH, UM OUR ANALYSIS
SUGGESTS THAT ULTIMATELY
VIRTUALLY ALL DISTRIBUTION
INFRASTRUCTURE WILL NEED
UPGRADES. UM, WE CAN DO IT IN A
WAY. THAT, UM MITIGATES THE SIZE
OF THE UPGRADES AND SPREADS IT
OVER TIME. IF WE CAN COUPLE THAT
WITH SMART, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE
CHARGING ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
AND THEN, UH, MISS. IT HAS FIVE.
YOU'RE LAST SLIDE. SHOWS THAT
2.15 BILLION DOLLAR. CHARGER AND
MAKE READY IOU RATE PAIR FUNDING
AUTHORIZATION FROM 2016 TO 2027.
AH THAT'S THE MONEY THAT WOULD
GO FOR E V CHARGING STATIONS AS
WELL AS THE SUPPORTING
INFRASTRUCTURE, SO THIS WOULD BE
FOR E V. CHARGING WHAT WE CALL
MAKE READY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR
THE CHARGERS. THIS NUMBER DOES
NOT INCLUDE THE DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM CAPACITY UPGRADES THAT MR
CALLOWAY AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT, BUT THIS IS GOING TOWARDS
THE ACTUAL CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF. AND SO,
UM UM THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HOPE
AND TALK ABOUT THE, UH PRESIDENT
BIDEN'S IN FLINT INFLATION
REDUCTION ACT AS WELL AS THE
INFRASTRUCTURE ACT THAT THE
FUNDS THAT CALIFORNIA HOPES TO
RECEIVE FROM FROM THOSE TWO
MAJOR FEDERAL, UM PARTS OF MONEY
, CAN YOU, UH, GIVE AN ESTIMATE
AS TO HOW MUCH CALIFORNIA
EXPECTS TO DRAW DOWN FOR, UH,
FOR THE COMPARABLE E V CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW THAT
THAT YOU CITE FOR THE $2.15
BILLION? HOW MUCH OF YOU KNOW
COMPARED TO THAT? HOW MUCH CAN
WE EXPECT FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT? SO THERE THAT IS A
SEPARATE PROGRAM, THE NAVY
PROGRAM AND ACTUALLY OUR SISTER
AGENCY. THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY
COMMISSION IS THE LEAD. UM ON
WORKING ON THE DEPLOYMENT OF
THAT AND INTERACTING WITH OUR
FEDERAL PARTNERS ON THAT. SO IF
I MAY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE
DIRECTOR HAN IN RUSSELL HERE
WHO'S MANAGING THAT PROGRAM? HI.
GOOD AFTERNOON. UM YEAH, FROM
THE FEDERAL PROGRAM. WE'RE GOING
TO GET 384 MILLION OVER FIVE
YEARS AND FORMULA FUNDING FROM
THAT PART OF 5 BILLION. THERE'S
ANOTHER 2.5 BILLION AVAILABLE
WHILE THAT'S COMPETITIVE
FUNDING. THEY OPENED UP THE 1ST
700 MILLION EARLIER THIS YEAR. 3
50 MILLION FOR CORRIDOR CHARGING
AND 3 50 MILLION FOR COMMUNITY
CHARGING. CALIFORNIA OREGON AND
WASHINGTON APPLIED FOR A JOINT
APPLICATION TO ELECTRIFY BOTH
ELECTRIC AND HYDROGEN
INFRASTRUCTURE. UP AND DOWN THE
I FIVE FROM CANADA TO MEXICO,
ALSO CONNECTING PORTS TO
DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AS WELL. SO
THAT APPLICATION IS CURRENTLY IN
FRONT OF THE FEDS AND HOPEFULLY,
FINGERS CROSSED. WE'LL GET SOME
OF THAT FUNDING AS WELL. BUT
JUST IN IN TERMS OF TRYING TO
GET PERSPECTIVE OF THE RELATIVE
SIZE OF THE PARTS OF MONEY. I
MEAN, I AM HEARING FOR REPAIR OF
FUNDING. IT'S YOU KNOW, OVER $2
BILLION FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
YES EXACTLY. OKAY. YEAH. ALL
RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH, MR
CONNELLY. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. EVERYONE AND CHAIR.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS
SELECT COMMITTEE TOGETHER,
EXCITED TO BE ON IT. I HAVE A
SERIES OF QUESTIONS ON THE GRID
AND THEN ALSO JUST KIND OF A
STATE OF CHARGING. UM IS THE
CPUC CURRENTLY DOING ANYTHING TO
COURAGE, ADOPTION OF
BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGING, AND IF
YOU CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THAT. YES THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO
THE CPUC DOES HAVE A NUMBER OF
PATHWAYS SET UP TO CREATE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR BIDIRECTIONAL
CHARGING, UM, A COUPLE THAT I
MENTIONED IN THE PROCEEDS IN MY
PRESENTATION ARE OCCURRING
WITHIN OUR DEMAND FLEXIBILITY
PROCEEDING, SO IT'S NOT JUST
FOCUS ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUT
IT'S FOCUSED ON ALL TYPES OF
ELECTRIFICATION AND BUILDINGS.
AND SO THIS WILL ALLOW FOR US TO
LEVERAGE BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGING
TO, UM USE ELECTRIC VEHICLES
LIKE DIRECTOR GUTIERREZ SAID AS
A RESOURCE ON THE GRID, AND SO,
UM, JUST THINKING ABOUT KIND OF
WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON CURRENTLY
EMERGENCY LOAD REDUCTION PROGRAM
. THERE IS AN AGGREGATION OPTION
FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES, UM, FOR
US TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THEM
IN AN EMERGENCY SCENARIO TO BE
ABLE TO GO OFF AND CHARGE DURING
THAT CRITICAL TIME. UM AND YOU
KNOW, WE REALLY THINK THAT
THERE'S GOING TO BE GREATER
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT, AS WE
AND ENHANCE THE TECHNOLOGIES,
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS
MENTIONED IN MR CALLOWAY'S
PRESENTATION AS WELL. IT'S NOT
JUST GOING TO REQUIRE HARDWARE
BUT ALSO SOFTWARE IN ORDER TO BE
ABLE TO SEND SIGNALS FROM THE
GRID. TWO DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTED
ENERGY RESOURCES TO SIGNAL TO
THIS IS THE TIME TO DISCHARGE
ONTO THE GRID, AND CUSTOMERS CAN
ACTUALLY MAKE SOME, UM, YOU
KNOW, CREDITS BACK ON THEIR
BILLS THROUGH THAT SO ENHANCES
AFFORDABILITY AS WELL. EXCELLENT
EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I WANTED TO
TALK ABOUT THE STATUS OF HEAVY
DUTY E ADOPTION. I KNOW THERE'S
STILL, UH, EMERGENCE OR
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT TECHNOLOGY
ULTIMATELY WAS. SERVICE THAT
SECTOR OF THE MARKET. BUT IN
TERMS OF VEHICLES AND CHARGING
STATIONS, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF
HEAVY DUTY E V ADOPTION? AND HOW
DO WE ANTICIPATE THE LOAD OF
HEAVY DUTY CHARGING IMPACTING
THE GRID? YEAH I'LL SAY A FEW
THINGS JUST TALKING ABOUT
PLANNING PROCESSES AND
INTERAGENCY COORDINATION. AND
THEN I WANT TO GIVE AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR MY COLLEAGUE
FROM THE ENERGY COMMISSION. UM
TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SHARE A LITTLE
BIT MORE INFORMATION AS WELL, IN
PARTICULAR WITH THE CHARGERS. UM
SO I HIGHLIGHTED THAT IN MAY
THIS OF THIS YEAR, UM THE CPUC,
ALONG WITH SEVERAL SISTER
AGENCIES. AIR RESOURCES BOARD.
GO BIZ ENERGY COMMISSION
TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION
CALISTA HOPING I'M NOT
FORGETTING ONE, BUT THOSE ARE
THEM, YOU KNOW, SIGNED A
STATEMENT OF INTENT IN ORDER TO
PUBLICLY SHARE OUR COORDINATION
ACTIVITIES. AND THEN IN MAY WE
LAUNCHED WHAT WE CALL THE FIP,
WHICH IS THE FREIGHT
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING PROCESS
, AND WHAT WE'VE OBSERVED IS
THAT FOR MEDIUM AND DUTY, HEAVY
DUTY, CHARGING, WHICH I THINK
YOU INDICATED. THERE'S A HIGHER
LEVEL OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S
NEEDED AND A HIGHER LEVEL OF
ELECTRICITY THAT'S NEEDED TO BE
ABLE TO SERVE THAT
INFRASTRUCTURE, SO SOMETIMES IT
MIGHT EVEN INCLUDE A NEW
SUBSTATION THAT NEEDS TO BE
BUILT. AND SO THE FREIGHT
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING
PROCESSES, CREATING A NEW WAY OF
FORECASTING THAT NEED, UM AND
BETTER INTEGRATING IT INTO
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PLANNING
PROCESSES. UM AND YOU KNOW, PART
OF THE REASON THAT WE INITIATED
IT WAS REALLY KIND OF EQUITY
IMPACTS OF EMISSIONS FROM THOSE
TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT ARE
CONSTANTLY GOING, YOU KNOW, FOR
EXAMPLE, FROM PORTS TO
DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AND
IMPACTING, UM, DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES, SO THAT'S A BIT
MORE ABOUT THE PLANNING
PROCESSES, AND I WANTED TO GIVE
DIRECTOR RITUALS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO SHARE A BIT MORE ABOUT ENERGY
COMMISSION'S WORK IN THIS AREA
AS WELL, UM, SO GENERALLY WHERE
WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS IN IN A
GROWTH PHASE FOR THIS, AS YOU
MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING AT
ELECTRIC AND HYDROGEN. WE HAVE A
REPORT, WHICH ANCHORS TO THE
ADVANCED CLEAN FLEETS REGULATION
FROM CARB SO MAYBE 21 27 ON THE
ELECTRIC SIDE. SENATE BILL 6 43
ON THE HYDROGEN SIDE. THE FIRST
MAYBE 21 27 REPORT SHOWED WE
NEED APPROXIMATELY 100 AND
57,000 CHARGERS BY 2030 THAT
SECOND ITERATION. THAT REPORT IN
DRAFT FORM SHOULD BE OUT NEXT
COUPLE WEEKS, HOPEFULLY AND THEN
THE FIRST SENSIBLE 6 43 REPORT
WILL BE OUT LATER THIS YEAR. AND
SO, BASICALLY, WE LOOK AT THOSE
REGULATIONS. WE SEE TIME
HORIZONS ON THAT. OUR MODELING
ANALYSIS ANCHORS OFF THAT AND WE
LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF CHARGES
AND HYDROGEN STATIONS WE NEED.
AND MORE AND MORE, ESPECIALLY
WITH A CF. HAVING PASSED. WE ARE
LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN SUPPORT
THAT MORE DIRECTLY, AND IT'S A
BIT OF A PORTFOLIO APPROACH. WE
HAVE A BLOCK GRANT CALLED
ENERGIZE, WHICH HAS MULTIPLE
FUNDING LANES. SOME FOCUS ON
EQUITY, SOME FOCUSED ON SPEED.
AND THEN WE SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH
OTHER FUNDING FLOTATIONS FOCUSED
ON THOSE REGULATIONS, SO I'M
HOPING LET'S SAY SEPTEMBER IS
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP A NEW
GENERAL GRANT FUNDING
OPPORTUNITY TO VFL. IT'S MAKING
THE ROUNDS INTERNALLY TO A
BUTTON THAT UP WHAT WILL
ACTUALLY FOCUS ON CORRIDORS SO
AGAIN, ELECTRIC AND HYDROGEN
CORRIDORS WE REALIZED AND
WORKING WITH THE TRANSPORTATION
COMMISSION IN CARBON PUC,
THERE'S RECOGNITION OF WE NEED
TO GET THOSE QUARTERS GOING FOR
GRAYS VEHICLES PRETTY SOON. UM
AND THEN ALSO BUILD THAT DEPOT
CHARGING. I ACTUALLY WORKED AT
SANDIA GAS ELECTRIC FOR A NUMBER
OF YEARS PRIOR TO THE ENERGY
COMMISSION, AND WE WORKED ON
SOME PROJECTS FOR DEPOT CHARGING
FOR UPS, AND A LOT OF THESE
VEHICLES CAN CHARGE ON LEVEL TWO
CHARGERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T
TRAVEL A LOT DURING THE DAY.
IT'S STOP AND GO, GO. A HANDFUL
OF MILES CAN CHARGE THE LEVEL
TWO OVERNIGHT. YOU DON'T NEED
DEFECT, DC FAST CHARGES LIKE BOX
TRUCKS EVERY TIME AND THEN SEMI
TRUCK, TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
THOSE ARE MEDIUM PLACE LIGHT
MEDIUM. YES EXACTLY. SO IN THAT
WHOLE SPAN OF MEDIUM DUTY HEAVY
DUTY VEHICLES AT 21 27 LOOKS AT
WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT CHARGING
NEEDS WE NEED FOR DEPOT CHARGING
LOWER LEVEL HIGH LEVEL AND THEN
AS YOU MENTIONED FOR ON ROUTE,
CERTAINLY HIGHER POWER CHARGES
FOR THAT. YEAH. YEAH YEAH, GO
AHEAD IF YOU EVER FOLLOWED JUST
QUICK QUESTION ON THAT, WITH
WITH ARE WE LOOKING AT? AS WE
GET INTO I'M U. S ARMY
TRANSPORTATION GUIDE TENURE,
ARMY SERGEANT. THIS IS ONE OF
THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I
HAVEN'T HEARD TALKED ABOUT WHEN
WE START TALKING ABOUT FLEET IS
WEIGHT RATIOS AND WHAT'S THAT
GOING TO DO TO THE OTHER ASPECTS
OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR
HIGHWAYS OR BRIDGES AND THESE
OTHER THINGS? BECAUSE AS WE
INCREASE THE WEIGHT OF THESE
VEHICLES, THIS IS GOING TO
AFFECT LOAD CAPACITIES FOR
BRIDGES AND OTHER PLACES IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE, AND I HAVE NOT
YET 10 YEARS HEARD THAT
DISCUSSED. YEAH THAT EXCUSE ME
THAT'S ACTUALLY OUTSIDE THE
PURVIEW OF ENERGY COMMISSION. SO
WE WERE. OBVIOUSLY IT IS FOR THE
FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR E. V S AS
WE LOOK AT SCALING UP TO COVER I
MEAN LIGHT LIGHT DUTY MAKES
TOTAL SENSE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING
INTO DISTRIBUTION CENTER THAT'S
GOING OUT THERE RUNNING ROUTES
WITHIN ABOUT AN HOUR OR TWO
HOURS AND COMING BACK THAT
LOGISTICALLY MAKES SENSE FOR THE
HEAVIER DUTY AND THE LONGER
ROUTES WITH THE SEMI TRUCKS.
IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S
GOT TO BE FIGURED OUT. SO I DO
APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE TALKING
HYDROGEN. I WANTED TO MAKE ONE
COMMENT, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR
OTHER AGENCIES. BUT YOU KNOW, AS
PART OF THE STATEMENT OF INTENT
NO, WE INCLUDED CALISTA CALTRANS
. AND SO AS WE'RE DOING OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING FOR
ELECTRIC SYSTEM BUILD OUT AND
GENERATION THAT INFORMATION CAN
HELP INFORM THEM. YOU KNOW THE
AGENCIES THAT HAVE JURISDICTION
OVER THOSE ISSUES AND SO ITS
ANCILLARY TO WHAT WE DO AT PUC,
BUT I THINK IT CREATES THE
ECOSYSTEM. FOR THEM TO BETTER
INFORM THEMSELVES ON. THAT'S
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS REALLY KEY
ISSUE. ALWAYS HAPPY TO WORK ON
THE WORKING GROUP'S. HMM FEW
MORE QUESTIONS, TURNING THE
CHARGES, AND I APOLOGIZE IF THIS
HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED, BUT
WHAT IS THE GENERAL TIMELINE FOR
BUILDING LEVEL ONE AND LEVEL TWO
CHARGERS OR CHARGING STATIONS?
HOW LONG DOES IT GENERALLY TAKE?
IT CAN VARY QUITE A BIT. SO UM,
ONE THING WE LEARNED FROM THE
BLOCK GRANT FOR DEALING WITH
CSC. THE FIRST BLOCK AROUND WAS
FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. IT WAS
IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME BACK
THEN IN 2006 2007, AND WE REALLY
WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE MARKET TO
APPLY TO THESE, WE FOUND, YOU
KNOW SOME ISSUES, RIGHT
PERMITTING, HAS BEEN AN ISSUE
INTERCONNECTION ENERGY STATION
HAS BEEN TO ASK. LIKE, WHAT ARE
SOME OF THE MAIN BARRIER? YEAH
SO ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THOSE ARE
STILL THE ONES YOU KNOW WE'VE
BEEN HEARING ABOUT THEM FOR A
WHILE. BUT THERE'S STILL THE
ONES WE HAVE TO CRACK IS, UM
PERMITTING, CAN BE FAIRLY
FRAGMENTED. THERE'S SO MANY
JURISDICTIONS. I THINK THE TWO
BILLS, WHICH HAVE PASSED OVER
THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS HAVE
CERTAINLY HELPED. AND SO I'M
CURIOUS TO SEE YOU AND GO
BUSINESS LEADING THAT, BUT I'M
CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THOSE PLAY
OUT OVER TIME, AND THEY'RE DOING
A REALLY NICE JOB WORKING WITH
AUTHORITIES HAVING JURISDICTION
ON THAT. I STILL THINK THAT
ENERGY IZATION INTERCONNECTION
IS A LONG LEAD TIME THING FOR
US. UM AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST
MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE
ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD. IT IS
SOMETHING WE LEARNED AND
IMPLEMENTED IN BLOCK GRANT TO
AND SO INSTEAD OF DOING FIRST
COME FIRST SERVE. WE HAVE TEARED
THE PROJECT, SO TIER ONE TIER
TWO, TIER THREE, AS AS YOU
MENTIONED AND REALLY TRYING TO
ENCOURAGE THOSE ONES THAT CAN
MOVE QUICKLY. I WILL NOTE THAT
FOR EQUITY PURPOSES. WE KNOW
THAT THE BLOCK GRANTS NOT GOING
TO BE GREAT FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE
WE YOU KNOW WHAT PROJECTS THAT
ARE A LITTLE MORE SHOVEL READY?
SO WE SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH A LOT
OF OTHER GRANT FUNDING
OPPORTUNITIES WE RUN IN HOUSE.
WE HAVE THOSE FOCUSED ON MULTI
UNIT DWELLINGS WERE GOING TO
RELEASE OUR SECOND ONE ON RURAL
COMMUNITIES COMING UP. UM ALSO
HAVE THOSE FOR HIGH MILEAGE
VEHICLES, SO I DON'T THINK ONE
SOLICITATION IS GOING TO SOLVE
ALL OF IT. UNDER THE CLEAN
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, WE RUN
SEVERAL SOLICITATIONS TO TARGET
THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS. YEAH IN
FACT, YOU YOU ANTICIPATED MY
NEXT QUESTION, AND THAT IS
REALLY HOW IS THE STATE INSURING
THAT EVENING INFRASTRUCTURE IS
INSTALLED ON AN EQUITABLE BASIS
AROUND THE STATE. RECOGNIZING
DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. WE THINK
ABOUT THIS A LOT. IT'S A TOUGH
ONE. AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO
GET RIGHT. UM SO RIGHT NOW. WE
JUST CLOSED ONE ON MULTI UNIT
DWELLINGS WILL DO A THIRD
ITERATION OF THAT NEXT YEAR. WE
HAVE A RURAL COMMUNITY. ONE THAT
HOPEFULLY COMES OUT LATER THIS
YEAR COULD SQUEEZE INTO NEXT
YEAR AS WELL. AND THEN WE DO
THESE DC FAST CHARGER ONES THAT
ARE THEY'RE MEANT TO COMPLEMENT
BOTH THE CSC BLOCK GRANT. WE
HAVE CALLOUS STAR BROCK BLOCK
GRANT THE NAVY FUNDING AND THESE
ARE MORE MEANT TO BE FOCUSED ON
COMMUNITIES AS WELL. MORE LIKE
SHOPPING CENTERS, YOU KNOW, NEAR
WALMART OR TARGET OR GROCERY
STORE AS WELL. BUT YOU KNOW
THEY'RE CHALLENGING AND, QUITE
FRANKLY, SOMETIMES THEY COST
MORE. BUT IT'S THE RIGHT THING
TO DO. WE KNOW THAT NOT EVERY
LEVEL TWO CHARGER IS GOING TO
NEED THE SAME. YOU KNOW, STATE
REBATE. IT'S GOING TO VARY BASED
UPON THE MARKET SEGMENT. THERE'S
A FAIR TO SAY WE'RE PRIORITIZING
AS A STATE IN TERMS OF BUILD OUT
IN THOSE AREAS. YEAH,
ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD SAY, UM
PRIORITIZING AND THE FACT THAT
WE'VE SAID WE WANTED TO 50% BY
LOCATION AND ALSO REALIZED THAT
IS NOT A SATISFACTORY METRIC. WE
WANT TO GO FURTHER. SO EARLIER
THIS YEAR, WE STARTED TO PROCESS
TO SEE YOU BENEFIT FROM THESE
INVESTMENTS GOING BEYOND JUST
LOCATION. WE SHOULD HAVE A WE'VE
DONE SEVERAL WORKSHOPS AND
LISTENING SESSIONS. WE THINK
WE'LL HAVE A STRAW PROPOSAL OUT
BY THE END OF THE YEAR FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN TRY TO
SHORE THAT UP AND START RUNNING
THAT THROUGH OUR SOLICITATION.
CERTAINLY NEXT, AND THEN FINAL
QUESTION, UM TO THE GROUP. UH
WHAT ARE THE MAIN ISSUES WITH
THE CURRENT REGULATORY FRAMEWORK
FOR BUILDING E B EMPRESS
STRUCTURE? KIND OF LIKE IN THE
LEGISLATURE DO TO MAKE IT MORE
EFFECTIVE. SO YOU KNOW, A COUPLE
THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT
FIRST HAS TO DO WITH OUR
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PLANNING
PROCESS. MR CALLOWAY ALSO
TOUCHED ON THIS A BIT. BUT YOU
KNOW WHAT WE HAVE OBSERVED, IS
THAT THE CURRENT DISTRIBUTION
SYSTEM PLANNING PROCESSES JUST
FRANKLY INADEQUATE. THE ONE USED
WHAT'S BEING USED BY THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES. AND SO
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF
STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS OVER THE
LAST SEVERAL MONTHS OVER A DOZEN
. UM AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT
THAT FEEDBACK, SO WE KNOW IT'S
DEFINITELY THE INADEQUATE. THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION IN
THE HIGH DISTRIBUTED ENERGY
RESOURCES PROCEEDING, WE ISSUED
A NEW SCOPING MEMO ON AUGUST
14TH WHICH REALLY HIGHLIGHTED
THAT WE ARE WORKING, WE ARE
GOING TO BE TRANSFORMING THE
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING PROCESS.
UM AND THEN WE HAVE A SCHEDULE
THAT WAS SET OUT IN THAT SCOPING
MEMO. UM SO RIGHT NOW, WE ARE
WORKING ON A STAFF PROPOSAL THAT
WILL BE COMING OUT IN THE NEXT
PROBABLY A MONTH OR TWO. THAT IS
GOING TO BE LEVERAGING ALL OF
THAT INFORMATION THAT WE GOT
FROM THE KABBALAH STUDY ON
ELECTRIFICATION IMPACT STUDY.
IT'S GOING TO BE HIGHLIGHTING
THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT FROM
THE STATE THE STAKEHOLDER
MEETINGS TO BE TRANSFORMING THE
DISTRIBUTION PLANNING PROCESS
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD
IT LOUD AND CLEAR FROM ALL OF
YOU HAVE HEARD IT FROM
STAKEHOLDERS. THE WAY THAT THE
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PLANET IS
OCCURRING RIGHT NOW IS
INADEQUATE AND, UM, HAS TO BE
CHANGED. ANY OTHER. UM I JUST
LIKE TO FOLLOW UP, AND, UM, I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENGAGE
THE UTILITIES ON THIS QUESTION
IN THAT. THE DISTRIBUTION
PLANNING PROCESS MAY ACTUALLY BE
SET UP CORRECTLY FOR WHAT IT IS
AND WHAT IT DOES, AND IT MAY BE
THAT AN ADDITIONAL MECHANISM FOR
IDENTIFYING PROJECTS ON A LONGER
TERM BASIS, UH, COULD BE LAYERED
ON TOP OF THE EXISTING SHORT
TERM DISTRIBUTION PLANNING
PROCESS. TODAY THE DISTRIBUTION
PLANNING PROCESS IS SOMETHING
THAT'S MEANT TO IDENTIFY AND
ACTUALLY DESIGN AND BUILD
PROJECTS GET THEIR DETAILED COST
ESTIMATES. I DON'T THINK THAT WE
SHOULD BE DOING THAT FOR
PROJECTS THAT ARE 10 YEARS FROM
NOW. BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED
TO GET A LONGER SORT OF
TELESCOPE IF YOU WILL TO START
THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S COMING.
AND HOW DO WE MANAGE OUR AS I'VE
BEEN SAYING WORKFORCE SUPPLY
CHAIN RELATIONSHIPS SO THAT WE
KNOW THAT WHEN WE ENTER INTO
THAT THREE YEAR DISTRIBUTION
PLANNING PROCESS WILL BE ABLE TO
HANDLE EVERYTHING THAT COMES
COULD I THINK WE'RE ALL POINTING
AROUND DISTRIBUTION. PLANNING
THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION I SAID
IN MY PREPARED NOTES, RIGHT?
WE'VE WE'VE LIVED THROUGH
INCREMENTALISM FOR A COUPLE OF
DECADES IN THE STATE. RIGHT WE
NOW HAVE TO MOVE TO GROWTH, YOU
KNOW, BEFORE COMING HERE THREE
YEARS AGO, UM IT WAS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN
THE COUNTRY, LAS VEGAS AND WE
HAD A THING WE ALWAYS TALKED
ABOUT. WE'RE BUILDING
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PEOPLE THAT
WILL BE HERE THREE YEARS FROM
NOW, AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW
THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE. SO IN
OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE TO BUILD
THINGS AHEAD. WE CAN DO THAT IN
PLANNING. BUT THE OTHER THING
THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS
THE SUDDENNESS AND THE IMPACT.
AS I SAID, WE HAVE A SEVEN YEAR
OUTLOOK FOR A 4000 HOME MASTER
PLANNED COMMUNITY LITERALLY
COULD HAVE TESLA KNOCK ON OUR
DOOR THIS WEEK AND SAID, I WANT
THAT SAME LOAD AND I WANT IT BY
THE END OF THE YEAR. THAT'S THE
SUDDENNESS. AND SO WHILE WE'RE
THINKING ABOUT OUR PLANNING AND
OPTIMIZING, GET EFFICIENCY WITH
THAT THERE'S A SUDDENNESS NOW
THAT WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS. VIA
VIA I JUST HONESTLY TO RATE
MAKING PROCESS BALANCING
ACCOUNTS SUCH THAT WE CAN MEET
THOSE NEEDS BECAUSE THOSE
CUSTOMERS THAT ARE COMING IN
PLEASE VERY LARGE
INFRASTRUCTURES. THEY LOVE THE
DISCUSSION OF ALL THE BALANCE
AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET TO,
BUT THEY JUST NEED TO PROJECTS
BUILT RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE TO
STUDY WHETHER THE GRID CAN
HANDLE IT AND THEN BUILD THAT
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THEM. SO I
WOULD JUST AS WE'RE LOOKING AT
ALL OUR DETAILED PLANNING AND
EVEN THINK I'M A COUPLE OF YEARS
JUST RECOGNIZE RIGHT NOW THERE
IS A SUDDENNESS. Tð
ELECTRIFICATION IN OUR SMALL
PART OF THE WORLD IN SAN DIEGO,
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND
HUNDREDS OF MEGAWATTS THAT WE
DIDN'T EVEN KNOW A YEAR AGO HAVE
NOW SHOWED UP OUR DOOR AND IT'S
JUST THIS PLANNING PROCESS WILL
THAT WE SHOULD GO INTO SHOULDN'T
IMPEDE US FROM MOVING QUICKLY TO
SATISFY THOSE DEMANDS. IF I JUST
ADD SOMETHING. UM I'M SORRY. UM
REAL QUICK HERE. I JUST WANTED
TO UPLIFT AGAIN. THE REPORT THAT
MR HOLLOWAY HAD MENTIONED
EARLIER IN THE IMPACTS RIGHT
THAT THIS DISTRIBUTION PLANNING
WILL HAVE ON LOW INCOME, LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES AND MORE
SPECIFICALLY ON BLACK AND BROWN
COMMUNITIES THAT WE KNOW.
CONTINUE AND CONTINUE TO BROTHER
BRANCH RIGHT OF THESE
DISINVESTMENT, AND SO AS WE
CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS
ABOUT PLANNING, YOU KNOW,
EXPEDITING THE PROCESS. HE'S
MOVING AWAY FROM A FIRST COME
FIRST SERVE OR EVEN THINKING
ABOUT HOW WE'RE PROUD.
AUTHORITIES NG EQUITY I THINK WE
NEED TO. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS THAT
THE PROGRAMS WERE DEVELOPING THE
INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING
HER INTENTIONAL AND TARGET IT
RIGHT. WE SEE. WE SAY YES. WE'RE
PRIORITIZING EQUITY, FOR EXAMPLE
, AND WE'RE ONLY SEEING 50%
RIGHT. AND YES, THAT IS A GOOD
START, AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT
EQUITY. RIGHT? THAT'S EQUALITY.
WE TALK ABOUT EQUITY. WE WANT TO
SEE A STRONGER COMMITMENT FROM
THESE AGENCIES KNOWING THE
BARRIERS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT
OF US KNOWING THAT THE RESEARCH
THAT IS OUT THERE THAT AND THE
IMPACT THAT IT WILL HAVE ON OUR
COMMUNITIES IF WE DON'T DO THAT
WORK NOW AND MOVE QUICKER, SO I
JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT WE
CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT AT THE
FOREFRONT AS WE CONTINUE TO
DISCUSSIONS THAT WILL CONTINUE
THE PLANNING. AND THEN WE ASK. I
OWE US AND WE ASK AGENCIES TO DO
BETTER ABOUT ENSURING THAT THOSE
BARRIERS AND THOSE CHALLENGES
ARE THE FIRST ONES THAT WE
ADDRESS. AND I WAS GONNA ADD
THAT TWO THINGS ONE THROUGH OUR
PROGRESS TRACKER THAT WE'VE
IMPLEMENTED FOR BLOCKS AROUND TO
BE ABLE TO SEE A LOT MORE OF
WHERE THESE BARRIERS ARE COMING
UP ON THE UTILITY SIDE AGENCIES
, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING SIDE ANY
OTHER. DELAYS THAT ARE COMING
UP, SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO GET MORE ROBUST
INFORMATION ON WHAT THOSE WHAT
THOSE CHALLENGES REALLY ARE. AND
THEN SECOND I WANTED TO POINT
OUT THAT SOME OF THE OTHER
STATES THAT WE WORK IN OUR
EXPLORING OR HAVE IMPLEMENTED,
YOU KNOW, KIND OF THIRD PARTY
AUGMENTATION OF AGENCY STAFF TO
GO AHEAD AND HELP OUT WITH SOME
OF THOSE THINGS BECAUSE, YOU
KNOW LARGE CITIES, THEY PROBABLY
HAVE THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO
TURN OUT PERMITS. I MEAN, THEY
PROBABLY DON'T BUT THERE ARE A
LOT BETTER AT IT THAN SOME OF
THE SMALLER PLACES IN
JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE REALLY,
REALLY LACKING FOR RESOURCES.
AND I HEAR THAT A LOT FROM
JURISDICTIONS THAT YOU KNOW, ON
HOUSING OR OR EVEN
INFRASTRUCTURE. THINGS LIKE THAT
. SO EXPLORING SOME OF THAT
AUGMENTATION. THAT MIGHT BE AN
OPTION. OTHER QUESTIONS. NO.
OKAY WELL, I HAVE A FEW. UM I
WANTED TO ASK ONE THAT MUST
GÓMEZ REYES WANTED TO ASK BUT
HAD TO LEAVE. AND IT WAS, UM
ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WHEN SHE AND
ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TEAM JOINT
AUTHORED A B 2061 RELATED TO E V
CHARGING RELIABILITY. UM WHEN?
WHEN IS THE, UM, REPORT COMING
OUT ON THIS? AND AN ANALYSIS ON
THIS GOING TO BE FORTHCOMING?
WE'RE SHOOTING FROM MID
SEPTEMBER, SO STAFF REPORTS
WRITTEN DRAFT REGULATIONS ARE
WRITTEN, GOING THROUGH THE
INTERNAL PROCESS AND HOPE TO
HAVE THAT OUT SOON FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT. OKAY AND THAT WILL BE
THAT WILL BE ACTUALLY AN
ANALYSIS OF UP TIME OR THAT'S
IT'S A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
SO WE'RE DOING ANOTHER NUMBER OF
THINGS. UM THE A B 2061. REPORT
AND REGULATIONS WILL FOCUS
SPECIFICALLY ON REPORTING AND
RECORDKEEPING OF UP TIME AND
WHAT THE PUBLICLY FUNDED AND
RATE PAYER FUNDED INFRASTRUCTURE
HAS TO DO FROM REPORTING
STANDPOINT. UM THAT LEGISLATION
ALSO REQUIRED AN ASSESSMENT
STARTING IN 2025 OF UP TIME, NOT
JUST FOR PUBLICLY OR REPAIR
FUNDED, BUT THE NETWORK AT LARGE
, SO WE'RE AIMING TO GET THAT UP
BY 2025 IF WE CAN DO IT SOONER.
GREAT BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW
IS A LOT OF THE DUE DILIGENCE TO
PUT A GOOD REPORT FORWARD. WE
ACTUALLY ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT
WITH UC DAVIS. I WANT TO SEE IT
OUR LAST BUSINESS MEETING. TO DO
WITH THREE YEAR STUDY FIELD
STUDY OF ABOUT 3600 CHARGERS,
WHICH IS A LARGE ENOUGH SAMPLE
SIZE TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT'S
HAPPENING. AND REALLY START
FIGURING OUT WHERE THE FAILURE
POINTS ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE
NUMEROUS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU HAD
YOUR YOUR STORY EARLY ON. I'VE
FACED THE SAME THING I'VE DRIVEN
FROM SAN DIEGO TO YOSEMITE AND
MY GOSH ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS.
WHEN IT CAME TO THE NETWORK, UM
BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT FAILURE
POINTS, WHICH CAN OCCUR. UH, IT
COULD BE THAT THE CHARGER IS NOT
WORKING. THAT'S NOT A TIMING
ISSUE IS JUST NOT GETTING POWER
. THERE CAN BE A CHARGER, WHICH
IS GETTING POWER, BUT IT STILL
HAS A BAD CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE
BECAUSE THERE'S AN
INTEROPERABILITY ISSUE THAT
VEHICLE BE IT. THE MEGA MODEL
VERSUS THAT CHARGER IS NOT
SPEAKING TO ONE ANOTHER. THAT'S
WHEN I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS
AS WELL. PLUG IN YOUR CHARGER.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR LITTLE DOG
. WE TAKE HER FOR A WALK. WE
COME BACK AND WE GOT NOTHING
LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED. THAT'S
NOT ENOUGH TIME ISSUE THAT'S
ACTUALLY INTEROPERABILITY ISSUE.
MOST LIKELY, THERE'S ALSO
CONCERNS POTENTIALLY WITH
PAYMENT AND OTHER THINGS THAT
THAT FIELD STUDY WILL GO IN AND
LOOK AT VINTAGE. YOU KNOW, WHAT
YEAR WAS THAT INSTALLED? IS IT
OLDER CHARGES? EVERYTHING.
ISSUES ARE MORE RECENT CHARGES
HAVING ISSUES. WHAT'S THE
FAILURE? POINT OF ALL THAT AGAIN
? THAT WILL BE THREE YEAR STUDY
WILL START GETTING INFORMATION
MUCH AHEAD OF THREE YEARS AS
EARLY AS HOPEFULLY UNDER THIS
YEAR EARLY NEXT YEAR. AND THAT
WILL FEED INTO THE 2025
ASSESSMENT THAT WAS ORDERED
THROUGH 2061. AND WHAT IS SO CAN
YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT
COUNTS AS UP TIME? AND WHAT
DOESN'T DOES THE LITTLE LEVER ON
THE TOP? THAT'S ALWAYS BROKEN
OFF, AND YOU CAN NEVER GET IT TO
LOCK AND CLICK AND CHARGE THAT
DRIVES ME INSANE. DOES THAT
COUNT AS UP TIME, SO I DON'T
WANT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF THE
RAGS. BUT I WILL SAY MY
UNDERSTANDING. WE HAVE SOME VERY
CLEVER ENGINEERS WORKING ON
THIS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
WOULD STILL BE UP TIME IT WOULD
STILL MEET THE 97% OF UP TIME
BECAUSE IT HAS ELECTRICITY.
GETTING TO THE CHARGER AGAIN.
THAT'S STILL A BAD USER
EXPERIENCE, AND WE NEED TO WORK
ON ALL OF THAT, BECAUSE YOU
CANNOT CHARGE AND SO WHAT WE
WHAT WE INTEND TO DO WITH THIS,
THOUGH, IS REALLY USED 2061 AS A
STEPPING STONE TO DO THIS
BROADER LOOK AT THE DRIVER
EXPERIENCE, BE IT PURSUANT TO
2061, OR JUST GOING OUT THERE
AND DOING THE GOOD WORK TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING
BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF THOSE
ISSUES IS A PROBLEM. AND WE NEED
TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE FOR
ALL OF THOSE. SO THE LINE THAT
YOU'RE DRAWING WHEN YOU'RE
SAYING WHAT IS UP TIME IS IT
GETTING ENERGY TO THE CHARGER,
AND THAT DID NOT NECESSARILY TO
THE CAR. EXACTLY THE CHARGER.
PROBABLY WHAT DRIVERS CARA
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT AGREED,
AGREED, AND WE COMPORTED WITH UP
TIME DEFINITION OF THE FED'S
FROM THE NAVY. THEY'RE TRYING TO
BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT, BUT
FULLY RECOGNIZED THAT THAT IS AN
INSUFFICIENT MEASURE OF THE
DRIVER EXPERIENCE, SO WE'RE
ACTUALLY LOOKING TO GO FURTHER
IN THE REGULATION, AND THAT
SHOULD COME OUT HERE PRETTY
SOON. I SUPPORT YOU GOING
FURTHER INTO THAT REGULATION
JUST FOR THE RECORD. YES I. I
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THE
DRIVER EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I
THINK MANY OF US ARE AWARE OF
WHAT WAS A FORD CEO AND HIS TEST
DRIVE OF THE FORD LIGHTNING IN
HIS COMMENTS. OF NOT BEING TOO
THRILLED ABOUT THE CHARGING
EXPERIENCE. FOUND SO IT'S GOOD
TO SEE THAT THAT IS BEING TAKEN
INTO CONSIDERATION. IT'S MY
THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST
CONCERNS BEING IN A RURAL AREA.
THERE'S YOU KNOW, WE SEE THINGS
LIKE OKAY, THERE'S A FORD TRUCK
. THIS IS THIS IS GREAT, BECAUSE
THAT'S LIKE 90% OF THE VEHICLES
IN MY AREA. BUT WHAT DOES THAT
LOOK LIKE FOR CHARGING AND
LONGEVITY? AND HOW ARE GUYS
GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE LOADS
AND WAKE? YOU KNOW ALL THESE
THINGS GO IN THERE? BECAUSE YOU
KNOW A TRUCK THAT'S GOTTA LOAD
ISN'T GOING TO GO AS FAR AS THE
TRUCK THAT DOESN'T UM SO IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT THESE THINGS ARE
LOOKED AT, AND I THINK TOO
OFTEN, AND I'VE SAID IT QUITE A
BIT. IS WHEN WE LOOK AT SETTING
UP ELECTRIFICATION. WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT TVS, IT'S PRIMARILY A
METRO POLITAN DISCUSSION. AND
IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT WE'RE
STARTING TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE
BIT WITH FREIGHTS GOOD MOVEMENT.
BUT THE RURAL COMMUNITIES OFTEN
GET LEFT OUT OF THAT. I KNOW
WITH HYDROGEN. THERE'S A LITTLE
BIT OF TALK OF THE I FIVE
CORRIDOR. AND THEN SHIPPED TO
PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION
SITES. BUT WE'VE REALLY GOT TO
LOOK AT HOW DO YOU TIE IN THESE
RURAL COMMUNITIES FOR THIS
INFRASTRUCTURE? BECAUSE WE'RE
GETTING LEFT PRETTY MUCH HUNG
OUT TO DRY. BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO
AND WE'VE SEEN THE SAME THING
WITH THE ELECTRIFICATION AND THE
CUTOFFS AND SOME OF THE
PRODUCTION SITES. WHERE THEY'RE
REQUIRED ME TO REGULATION. THE
UTILITIES AREN'T EVEN CAUGHT UP
TO IT. AND NOW THEY'RE IN THIS
QUAGMIRE WHERE THEY'RE CAUGHT UP
IN 20. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR
RURAL COMMUNITIES DON'T GET
CAUGHT IN THAT, TOO. I AM VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. WHICH IS
WHY YOU'RE BRINGING UP SO I WANT
TO MAKE SURE I APPRECIATE YOU
WRITING THAT DOWN BECAUSE WE
HAVE PEOPLE. AND SOME OF THE
MOST DISADVANTAGED AREAS IN THE
ENTIRE STATE AND COUNTRY,
FRANKLY, THAT ARE GETTING LEFT
ASIDE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, SO
. IF I MAY COMMENT ON THAT, UM,
YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE ARE AWARE OF
THAT ISSUE AND HAVE HAD SOME
GREAT CONVERSATIONS ALSO WITH
SECRETARY ROSS, BRINGING THOSE
ISSUES DIRECTLY TO THE
LEADERSHIP OF THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION SO THAT WE
CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
ADDRESSING THEM. AND SO EARLIER,
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FREIGHT
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING
FRAMEWORK. WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING
TO BE WORKING WITH CARB TO GET A
CONSULTANT TO DO A SPECIAL CASE
STUDY AS PART OF THAT RELATED TO
THOSE LARK, LARGE AGRICULTURAL
LOADS. THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY
ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUT THEY'RE
VERY SIGNIFICANT LOADS, UM,
AGAIN TO MEDIUM AND DUTY HEAVY
DUTY REALLY? AND SO THAT CASE
STUDY WILL BE ABLE TO PUT WILL
BE FOCUSING ON A PART OF SAN
JOAQUIN COUNTY. AND UM, YOU
KNOW, SHE SECRETARY ROSS HAS
MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THERE
ARE AH, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS IN THE
AD COMMUNITY THAT YOU KNOW, ARE
DESPERATELY TRYING TO MEET THESE
REGULATIONS AND WE NEED TO
ENABLE IT. PLEASE TALK TO HER
MORE SO BECAUSE CALIFORNIA HAS
408 COMMODITIES. SO WHAT WORKS
FOR ONE COMMODITY DOES NOT
NECESSARILY WORK FOR THE OTHER.
IN MY AREA. LIKE WHERE? THE
CITRUSY BELT. YOU WILL SEE A
TRACTOR TRAILER PULL UP. AND
YOU'LL SEE A FORKLIFT ON THE
GROUND AND THEY'RE LOADING
CRATES ALL DAY AND THEN THAT
TRUCK IS GOING TO RUN IT. BUT
HOW DO YOU CHARGE THAT FORKLIFT
AND KEEP THAT FORKLIFT ONLINE
AND THIS IS WHY I'M A FAN OF
HYDROGEN FOR THESE TYPES OF
THINGS BECAUSE THAT WORKS BETTER
THERE. UM VERSUS HAVING TO WORRY
ABOUT LIKE A MOBILE CHARGING
STATION. UM BUT YOU'VE GOT TO
LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS
OF HOW THE LOGISTICS WITHIN
THOSE FIELDS OF OPERATION
FUNCTION. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
YOU HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
YES. EVERYTHING REALLY QUICK TO
THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT USER
EXPERIENCE IS SOMETHING THAT FOR
US, AND OUR ADVOCACY IS
SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE
INTO ACCOUNT. I MEAN, I WAS
GOING TO SHARE AN EXAMPLE. BUT I
WAS UNDER SEVEN MINUTES TIME. UM
TIME BOUNCE. I WAS LIKE TRYING
TO GET THROUGH THAT BUT THROUGH
THROUGH THE CHAIR, HOPEFULLY
INDEED. BUT REMEMBER AN
EXPERIENCE OF SOMEONE THAT I
SPOKE TO WHO HAD PURCHASED AN
EVEN THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO
WHO HAD TO, UM CHARGE AT A LOCAL
HOTEL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE
ANY CHARGING AT THEIR PLACE OF
RESIDENCE. AND IT WAS AN
APARTMENT COMPLEX, SO THEY HAD
TO GO TO THE HOTEL. CHARGE THEIR
CAR, TAKE A BUS AND THEN YOU
KNOW, DO THAT TO BE ABLE TO GET
THAT AND WE MOVED. THIS HAS BEEN
SEVERAL YEARS NOW. AND I THINK
WE'VE WE'VE MADE PROGRESS IN
THAT. BUT AS WE THINK ABOUT THE
USER EXPERIENCE AND THE FACT
THAT YOU KNOW, TRIBAL AND RURAL
COMMUNITIES OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE
HAVE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. AS WE
CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THESE
ASSESSMENTS, THESE PLANS THESE
FRAMEWORKS AND STRATEGIES TO
YOUR POINT THE NEED TO GO OUT
INTO THOSE COMMUNITIES AND HAVE
A DEEP DISCUSSION. ABOUT WHAT?
UH WHAT WORKS FOR THEM NEEDS TO
BE PART OF THAT PROCESS, AND
THEN REFLECTED IN THE PLANS THAT
WE DEVELOPED TO ENSURE THAT THEN
WE ARE THEN ADDRESSING THE NEEDS
BECAUSE A SOLUTION FOR URBAN
AREA METRO AREA IS DEFINITELY
NOT THE SAME AS IN RURAL OR IN A
TRIBAL COMMUNITY. THOSE NEEDS
AND CHALLENGES ARE DIFFERENT.
AND AS WE CONTINUE TO PLAN OUT,
RIGHT, THESE UM, YOU KNOW, UH,
GENERAL APPROACHES OR BLANKET
APPROACHES TO DEPLOYMENT ARE NOT
GOING TO WORK AND WE'RE NOT
GOING TO MEET OUR GOALS AND
WE'RE NOT DEFINITELY GOING TO
ENSURE THAT EVERYONE BUYS INTO
THIS. I THINK WE NEED A MORE
INTENTIONAL AND TARGETED PROCESS
TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE
GAPS, IDENTIFY THEM AND THEN
ADDRESS THEM AS WE CONTINUE TO
PUT TO WORK ON THIS AND THIS AND
THIS WORK. NO I ABSOLUTELY
AGREE, AND I THINK I WOULD
RECOMMEND A BOOTS ON GROUND
APPROACH WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY
GO AND KIND OF IN BED WITH THOSE
COMMUNITIES AND SEE HOW THEY
FUNCTION ON THE DAILY DAY AND
JUST QUICKLY SINCE I HAVE THE
MIC, UM AS WE TALK ABOUT THE
SMART CHARGING IN THE DELAYS, I
KNOW THERE'S CONVERSATION AND
I'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE OF WELL
IF WE CAN JUST GET PEOPLE TO
CHARGE DURING DURING THE MIDDLE
OF THE DAY WHEN THERE'S NOT FLEX
POWER, AND IT'S LIKE WE ALSO
HAVE TO TAKE IN THAT
CONSIDERATION OF WHAT OUR HABITS
ARE. WHAT WHAT THE WORK LIKE IS
WHAT IS THE 9 TO 5? YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET OFF
WORK AND THEY'RE GONNA PICK UP
THE KIDS AND THEY'RE GONNA GO
HOME AND THEY'RE GONNA PLUG IN
THAT'S THAT'S JUST HOW OUR
SOCIETY OPERATES AND RUNS SO IN
UNLESS WE START CHANGING WORK
CYCLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HIT THOSE PEAKS
AND VALLEYS. AND THAT'S JUST
PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO FACE.
BECAUSE I'VE HEARD CONVERSATIONS
LIKE OH, WE JUST NEED TO GET
THEM TO CHARGE IT EVERY TIME AND
IT'S LIKE ARE THEY GONNA GET OFF
WORK EARLY, OR YOU KNOW HOW HOW
IS THIS GOING TO WORK? SO IT'S
IMPORTANT THAT WE CONSIDER THOSE
THINGS THROUGHOUT. I THINK
THAT'S A REALLY VERY IMPORTANT
POINT BECAUSE I THINK I TEND TO
THINK WE THINK A LOT ABOUT THE
COMMODITY, THE ELECTRON AND
BEING ABLE TO BE TIMELY WITH IT.
BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
TROPICAL STORM HILLARY'S, IT'S
HEADING TOWARDS SAN DIEGO, RIGHT
. EVERYBODY HAS AN ELECTRIC
VEHICLE. WHAT DO YOU THINK
THEY'RE DOING AT THAT MOMENT
WHEN IT'S SUPER HOT, SUPER
HUMID, CHARGING THE CAR RIGHT SO
DISTRIBUTION IS ALSO ABOUT THE
DEMAND. RIGHT THAT OVERLAP
PERIOD OF TIME. YOU MAY BE ABLE
TO MANAGE AND SHIFT THAT AROUND
, BUT THE MAN IS CAPACITY AND AS
WE THINK ABOUT PLANNING FOR THE
GRID, WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO USE
IT EFFICIENTLY. BUT THEY'RE
STILL TO YOUR POINT IS THAT
MOMENT OF DEMAND THAT IS
UNPREDICTABLE IN LIFE, AND
THAT'S WHAT WE END UP HAVING TO
BUILD FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE YOU
BRINGING UP THE STORM BECAUSE
IT'S MY DISTRICT. WE DEAL WITH
THE FLOODS. YEAH AND WHEN I
TALKED TO MY FIRE CAPTAINS AND
WE KIND OF JOKE AND GO. HOW DO
YOU FEEL ABOUT GETTING ELECTRIC
FIRE TRUCK? TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT
AND DO SWIFTWATER RESCUE AND
FLOODS. AND THEY'RE LIKE THERE'S
NO WAY IN HELL. THAT'S LITERALLY
WHAT THEY TELL ME. AND SO I
THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL
BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF US WILL
PUT IN. YOU KNOW OUR BUDGET
REQUEST, LIKE OH, I NEED TO GET
THIS NEW ELECTRIC FIRE TRUCK
FROM MY FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT'S
LIKE THAT. THAT'S GREAT. UNTIL
THERE'S ACTUALLY A DISASTER
BESIDE THE FIRE. BECAUSE THEY
HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO THE
FLOODS. THEY HAVE TO TAKE THAT
INTO THOSE A CLIMATE WEATHER
CONDITIONS. WHERE AN ELECTRIC
VEHICLE ISN'T GONNA CUT IT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA ROLL AN
ELECTRIC FIRE TRUCK. AND THE
DEEP WATER TO SAVE SOMEBODY.
FROM A FLOOD EVENT OR MASSIVE
STORM OR YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING
TO GO INTO THAT SITUATION
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T WITH THAT TYPE
OF EQUIPMENT. WHERE ARE WE GOING
TO LOOK AT THAT, FROM A
RESILIENCY STANDPOINT AS WELL,
BECAUSE IF YOU THINK OUR MODE
OUR SOME OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE,
RESILIENT GREAT AREAS ARE
WILDFIRE AREAS ALREADY WITH OUR
COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTERS WE
ACTUALLY BRING IN MOBILE LARGE
BATTERIES TO HELP COMMUNITY
MEMBERS THAT HAVE TVS BUT WE CAN
SEE THAT NEED GROWING. AND THEN
AS WE START THINKING ABOUT HOW
DO WE SERVE IN A MOMENT WHERE IT
COULD BE A WINTER STORM? IT
COULD BE FIRE WEATHER THAT WHAT
WE NEED RESILIENCY OUT THERE FOR
OUR OWN EQUIPMENT IN THE FUTURE
WHERE WE ARE COMPLETELY
ELECTRIFIED. WE ARE THE FIRST
RESPONDERS. THOSE LARGE TRUCKS
THAT ARE GETTING OUT INTO THE
FIELD HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO BE
ELECTRIFIED. 24 7 THAT GOES INTO
THAT. THAT SPACE OVER HERE WITH
WHERE DOES HYDROGEN FIT INTO
THIS? BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU KNOW
MOLECULE FOR POWER. WHAT WHAT
THE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET
INTO HEAVIER WEIGHT RATIOS. IT
JUST STARTS TO MAKE MORE SENSE.
ANYTIME WE START GETTING THE
HEAVY DUTY INTO A TRUCK FLEET OR
HIGHER THAT HYDROGEN IS KIND OF
THE SAFER BET. FOR WHAT YOU NEED
TO DO AND WHAT THOSE WORKING
CLASSES ARE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU
GET TO THE OFF ROAD AND TRACTORS
AND THINGS LIKE THAT CORRECT
THINKING RESILIENCY CENTERS THAT
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SAY WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE IN
A FEW YEARS, BUT WE HAVE TO BE
ABLE TO SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS. I
MEAN THE GOAL ZERO EMISSIONS,
BUT IT'S LIKE, HOW DO WE GET
THERE FOR EVERYBODY? AND HOW DO
WE GET THEIR WORDS SAFE AND
EFFECTIVE? AND WHEN DISASTERS
STRIKE BECAUSE IT'S CALIFORNIA,
WE'RE GOING TO GET IT. I MEAN,
THE SAME DAY WE HAVE A
HURRICANE. WE HAVE AN
EARTHQUAKE. I'M JUST WAITING FOR
THE SHARKNADO. UM SO WE'RE
GETTING THERE. BUT IT'S THE IT'S
THE RESILIENCY ASPECT IS HUGE ON
THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE
TECHNOLOGY. JUST ISN'T THERE.
FOR THOSE THINGS AND FOR THE
MOUNTAINOUS COMMUNITIES AND THE
OTHER RURAL COMMUNITIES IN BEING
ABLE TO MAKE SURE OUR FIRST
RESPONDERS ARE ABLE TO GET IN.
WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN. YOU GOTTA
THINK ABOUT THIS LIKE, YEAH,
IT'S COOL TO BE LIKE, HEY, YEAH,
WE'RE GONNA ELECTRIC FIRE TRUCK,
BUT HOW GOOD IS THAT GONNA DO
YOU WHEN YOU ACTUALLY NEED IT?
UM I WANTED TO JUST MAKE A
COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND I'M SURE
MY COLLEAGUE HAS ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION ABOUT HYDROGEN AS
WELL. IN THOSE SCENARIOS YOU
WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE
OPPORTUNITIES NOT TRYING TO. I
THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE
TALKING ABOUT TVS. THAT'S WHY
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO BE QUIET
ABOUT HYDROGEN. HEY I COULD GO A
LOT DEEPER. AND I THINK YOU ALL
KNOW THAT I DID WANT TO JUST
SHARE YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF THE
INVESTMENTS I WAS DISCUSSING ARE
ALSO GOING INTO WORKPLACE
CHARGING SO THAT YES, SOMEONE
SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHARGE AT HOME
AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BUT IN
ORDER TO TRY AND BRING SOME OF
THE COSTS DOWN FOR CHARGING BY
ALLOWING FOR WORKPLACE CHARGING
CUSTOMERS WILL BE ABLE TO CHARGE
YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE SOLAR AND
ELECTRICITY IS MUCH CHEAPER. AND
WHILE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, AT
WORK, DOING WORK, AND THEN THEIR
VEHICLE WILL BE CHARGED. UM WHEN
IT'S TIME TO GO HOME, AND SO
THAT'S JUST A WAY TO TRY AND
REDUCE THE COST OF CHARGING BY
LEVERAGING TIMES OF DAY WHEN
ELECTRICITY IS MOST AFFORDABLE
AND SEE, THAT'S THAT'S A LOGICAL
STEP, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE
LIKE A LOT OF OUR STAFF, LIVING
APARTMENT BUILDINGS, NOT HAVE
CHARGERS, THE APARTMENT
BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT
ASPECTS THEY COULD CHARGE AT
WORK. GO HOME, PARK IT AND THEN
HAVE ENOUGH JUICE TO GET BACK
EXACTLY AND THEN FIX. THE SECOND
THING IS, YOU KNOW WE THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION HAS
AUTHORIZED STRATEGIC USE OF
MICROGRIDS FOR RESILIENCY
SCENARIOS AND, UM, THAT FUNDING
WAS AUTHORIZED JUST EARLIER THIS
YEAR, AND, UH, WE ARE HELPING TO
INCENTIVIZE LOOKING AT,
INCLUDING CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE AT THOSE
MICROGRIDS TO ENHANCE RESILIENCY
FOR COMMUNITIES. IF I COULD HAVE
WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
VEHICLES AND CHARGING DIFFERENT
LOCATIONS, ONE OF THE EMERGING
REALLY CHALLENGING ONES FOR US
OUR PARKING STRUCTURES. THINK
ABOUT EVENT A PARKING
STRUCTURES. THINK ABOUT
AIRPORTS. THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW,
REDEVELOPED AREAS IN OUR
DOWNTOWN AREA. THE AMOUNT OF ON
DEMAND CHARGING FROM THESE 5000
PARKING SPOT. WHETHER IT'S A
RENTAL CAR CENTER WITH THEIR
PARKING GARAGE IS MASSIVE. RIGHT
THE ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO PARK
FOR AN EVENT WANT TO BE ABLE TO
PLUG IN. GET THEIR CAR CHARGED.
YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE TALKING
ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE OF TENS OF
MEGAWATTS. RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO
DEMAND FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD
OF TIME. BUT THE REALITY IS THE
GRID HAS TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT
SHORT. THEY'RE NOT AT THEIR
HOUSE. THEY'RE NOT USING THEIR
POWER THERE. THAT LAST PART
AGAIN. SOMETIMES I TALKED BEFORE
I THINK GRID HAS TO BE ABLE TO
HANDLE IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO
HANDLE IT IN AND WHAT I WOULD
TELL YOU. IS THAT YES. SO
SOMEBODY'S MOVED FROM THEIR
HOUSE PARKED THEIR CAR AND THEIR
LOAD OR DEMANDS AT THEIR HOUSE
HAS GONE DOWN. IT DOESN'T
MATTER. THEIR DEMAND SHIFTED TO
WHERE THEY'RE AT. NOW IT'S IN
THAT GARAGE AND THAT GRIDS GOT
TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT THAT
LOAD THERE THAT LOADED THEIR
HOUSE OR THAT LOADED AND MAYBE
HITTING AS YOU'RE TRAVELING UP
TO L. A THANK YOU. I JUST LIKE
TO MAKE A FOLLOW UP COMMENT
ABOUT THE WORKPLACE CHARGING AND
, UM, AND HABITS AND I THINK
THAT, UM, WE'RE AT A VERY UNIQUE
, UH, OPPORTUNITY HERE WHERE
PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO DEVELOP
NEW HABITS AROUND HOW THEY AH,
ENERGIZE THEIR CARS OR HABITS
NOW WITH GAS CARS. IS TO GO TO A
GAS STATION. UM. WE'RE
DEVELOPING NEW HABITS, UH, SUCH
AS? PERHAPS AS SOON AS YOU GET
HOME, YOU PLUG IN AND CHARGE,
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT
WAY. IT CAN BE COMMERCIAL
CHARGING WORKPLACE CHARGING. SO
I THINK IF WE CAN LOOK AHEAD AND
THINK ABOUT WHERE WE WANT
CHARGING TO HAPPEN, AND HOW WE
MAKE THAT SO THAT IT'S EQUITABLE
AND, UM AND OCCURRING AT THE
TIME, IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE
GRID THAN PERHAPS WE HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO LOCK IN NEW
HABITS THAT WORK WELL FOR OUR
SYSTEM, AND I JUST WANT TO
AMPLIFY THIS POINT ABOUT, UM
WORKPLACE CHARGING VERSUS LET'S
SAY NIGHTTIME RESIDENTIAL
CHARGING, BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE
SEEN IN OUR OWN WORK IS PERHAPS
UNSURPRISINGLY IF WE LEAN INTO
BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS THAN FOR
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM,
INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY NEEDS,
AT LEAST YOU'RE SPREADING THE
ENERGY DEMAND OUT OVER MORE TIME
OF DAY. AND SO, UH, AT LEAST FOR
A DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM
INFRASTRUCTURE. I'M NOT TALKING
ABOUT TRANSMISSION OR GENERATION
INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE THE
POTENTIAL TO MANAGE THE DEMAND
IN A WAY THAT AVOIDS SOME OF THE
BOTTLENECKS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED
ABOUT. THANK YOU AND I YES.
FINAL QUESTION. MY FINAL
THOUGHT. UM. DO WE HAVE A COST
ANALYSIS BREAKDOWN? I MEAN, AS
WE GET TO THIS, AND WE TALKED
ABOUT BUILDING IT OUT, OR, YOU
KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. IT'S JUST
ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I
THINK OF THE GRID AS A WHOLE. IS
IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO ALL
THAT BUILDING UP? IN TO TRY TO
FIGURE ALL THAT OUT, OR IS IT
MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO GET MORE
HYDROGEN ONLINE? HAS ANYBODY
DONE AN ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT
THOSE SIDE BY SIDE? BECAUSE I
MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING. I
MEAN, MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF
MEGAWATTS. KILOWATT. I MEAN, HE
STARTS BUILDING OUT. A LOT. BUT
BUT WHEN YOU START REALLY
LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN, YOU, YOU
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE POWER. THAT
YOU HAVE TO BUILD OUT WHEN YOU
SIT THERE AND YOU GO TO WAR. IS
THERE JUST MORE COST EFFECTIVE
TO GET MORE HYDROGEN ONLINE AND
THEN YOU'RE NOT HAVING A SO MUCH
WITH THE ELECTRIFICATION BECAUSE
I MEAN EVERYBODY'S POWER BILLS
ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF, AND
IT CONTINUES TO GO HIGHER AND
LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S GONNA BE A
WHILE UNTIL IT GOES DOWN. AND
I'M JUST I THINK A LOT OF US
WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SIDE BY SIDE
AT SOME POINT IN TIME. YEAH I
HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. BUT I
ACTUALLY DON'T THINK IT'S AN
EITHER OR SITUATION. YOU KNOW,
WE'VE INVESTED BOTH AGREE WITH
NOT ANY OTHER OR BECAUSE IF
YOU'RE THE WAY I SEE IT AS A
LOGISTICS GUY IS IF I'M TAKING
THE KIDS TO SCHOOL, GOING TO THE
GROCERY STORE GOING TO WORK, AND
I'M IN TOWN ELECTRIC TOTALLY
MAKES SENSE. BUT IF I'M GOING
OUT OF TOWN, SAY I WERE. I LIVE
IN THIS CITY AND I GO HERE OR
I'M IN THE SUBURBS AND I GO
HERE. THEN YOU WANT MORE OPTIONS
AND MORE FLEXIBILITY AND I KNOW
OUR CONSTITUENTS. OR ABOUT FED
UP WITH POWER. KIDDING, EVEN
MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR. AND
SO AS WE FIGURE ALL THIS OUT,
HOW DO YOU BALANCE OUT? PAY
CHECKS AND BILLS AND THOSE
THINGS, YOU KNOW IT'S A GREAT
QUESTION AND AGAIN. I DON'T
THINK IT'S NEITHER. OR, YOU KNOW
WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH ELECTRIC
AND HYDROGEN. WE'VE INVESTED IN
BOTH, AND THERE'S A LOT OF
DYNAMICS TO THAT RIGHT. BOTH
TECHNOLOGIES ARE GETTING BETTER
, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S THE
THING. NEITHER ONE OF THESE
TECHNOLOGIES ARE STANDING STILL.
SO YOU KNOW WE'RE INVESTING IN
BOTH. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
MONITOR THE MARKET. I DON'T
THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A ONE
SIZE FITS ALL FOR ALL VEHICLE
CLASSES ARE ALL VOCATIONS, AND
SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO INVEST IN
BOTH. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY
THAT I THINK THAT'S I'M REALLY
GLAD THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP
THAT ISSUE OF CUSTOMER BILLS.
IT'S FRONT AND CENTER FOR THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION. AND
SO AS WE'RE WORKING ON THE STAFF
PROPOSAL WE'RE LOOKING AT
ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE ISSUES
, INCLUDING INNOVATIVE
REGULATORY TOOLS THAT ALLOW FOR
UM. A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF
SPENDING AND COST. UM YOU KNOW
THAT RIGHT PAIRS ARE PAYING FOR,
BUT WITH THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF
OVERSIGHT AND WE'RE WORKING IN
HOUSE TO CREATE THOSE TOOLS
RIGHT NOW, AND THOSE REGULATORY
MECHANISMS BECAUSE THAT ADEQUATE
AMOUNT OF OVERSIGHT IS GOING TO
BE ESSENTIAL TO KEEP US FROM
BREAKING THE BANK ON CUSTOMERS
RIGHT NOW. AND SO THAT'S FRONT
AND CENTER FOR THE PUC. I I'M
GLAD THAT IT IS BECAUSE WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT THESE OTHER MAJOR
PROBLEMS, I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT
HOMELESS IN CALIFORNIA AND THAT
THIS GETS INTO A COST OF LIVING.
ANYONE YOU HAVE PARTS OF COST OF
LIVING CONTINUING TO RISE. IT'S
LIKE, WELL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO
ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM IF THIS
PROBLEM CONTINUES TO RISE? I
WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT
OUR PATH IN A JURISTIC E. I
THINK IT HIT ON EXACTLY WHERE
YOU'RE AT. NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE
ELECTRIFIED. THERE'S GOING TO BE
DIFFICULT TO ELECTRIFY. THE
FACTORS HAVE TO BE CARBON. WHAT
WAS THAT CALLED PATH AND AT ZERO
STUDY, CAROLINE NGUYEN
COMMISSIONED IT TO BE ABLE TO
SAY, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
WHAT DOES EVERYTHING SO IT DOES
INCLUDE HYDROGEN IS
ELECTRIFICATION. THAT'S CARBON
SEQUESTRATION, AND I THINK THE
MOST IMPORTANT THING IS IF YOU
LOOK AT THE ENERGY BASKET OF
GOODS TODAY THAT IF WE CHASE
FULL ELECTRIFICATION 2 TO 0
CARBON NEUTRALITY, THE TOTAL
COST FOR ENERGY WILL BE CHEAPER
. BUT I DO THINK THERE IS AN
IMPORTANT PART OF IT. IF YOU
LOOK AT THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT THE
TOTAL BASKET OF GOODS FOR ENERGY
OF A CUSTOMER IN THAT 2045 WHO
IS ABLE TO FULLY ELECTRIFY IS
CHEAPER THAN SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T
AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT
WE'VE ALL KIND OF MENTIONED IT
TODAY IS ABOUT EQUITABLE
TRANSITION. THERE'S GOING TO BE
CASES TO WHERE IF WE'RE NOT
MINDFUL OF THAT WE'RE GOING TO
LEAVE PEOPLE STRANDED. THEY
CAN'T ELECTRIFY EALLY EASY AND
OUR MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION
IS GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO EVEN
HIGHER ENERGY COSTS. BUT OUR OWN
VIEW IS THAT THAT WE CAN GET TO
NET ZERO. AND ACTUALLY, THAT
TOTAL BASKET ONCE YOU PUT IN GAS
ONCE YOU ARE NATURAL GAS,
ELECTRIC AND ALL THE FUELS YOU
PUT IN CARS, WHETHER IT'S
GASOLINE, DIESEL, IT CAN BE
CHEAPER BY 2045. AND SO IF YOU
HAVEN'T LOOKED AT, I WOULD
ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT IT. AND
I'M SURE OUR TEAM WOULD LOVE TO
BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND WALK YOU
THROUGH IT. YEAH I JUST I THINK
IT'S JUST REMARKABLE THAT THINGS
THAT ARE COMING OUT WITH
HYDROGEN BECAUSE IT'S A HYDROGEN
LIKE MOONSHINE. YOU CAN MAKE IT
OUT OF JUST ABOUT ANYTHING. SO
WE GET INTO LIKE THESE. THESE
WASTE MATERIAL PRODUCTS AND ALL
OTHER SOUTHERN STUFF LIKE WELL,
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THIS? JUST
TO GET BACK TO ELECTRIC
VEHICLES. IF WE MAY SO OKAY. YOU
SAID ALL YOUR PIECES. THANK YOU.
SO UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT
ONE OF THE POINTS, THOUGH, THAT
IT'S BROUGHT UP HERE IS THAT WE
HAVE TO BE INNOVATIVE. THERE ARE
BUSSES RUNNING IN THE A V THAT
ARE BEING RUN FOR 12 AND 14
HOURS A DAY AND IN WASHINGTON
STATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE
ELECTRIFIED PADS WHERE THEY
STOP. FOR YOU KNOW FOR PICKUP,
SO THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE THESE
LARGER VEHICLES MORE SUSTAINABLE
WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTRIC. UM IF
WE USE SOME OF THE INNOVATIVE,
INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S
COMING OUT, AND I THINK THAT
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US
TO THINK ABOUT AS WELL THAT, UM
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN EITHER
OR AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU
KNOW 25% OF OUR CARS NOW BEING
BOUGHT UM, THAT ARE ELECTRIFIED
. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A MARKET
THAT DEMANDS CHARGING RIGHT. WE
HAVE TO INVEST IN THIS
INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE HAVE TO
HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS AND,
UM, IN ALL THE PLACES YOU DON'T
JUST CHARGE AT HOME YOU CHARGE
AT WORK YOU CHARGE WHEN YOU GO
SHOPPING. UM MY IMMEDIATELY
CHANGED MY HABITS WHEN I GOT A
CAR, AND I DIDN'T HAVE CHARGING
AT HOME THAT IF I WENT OUT TO
DINNER WITH A FRIEND, IT WAS
WHEREVER THERE WAS A CHARGER.
AND I THINK YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
WILL QUICKLY CHANGE HABITS WHEN
YOU GETTING FROM A TO B DEPENDS
ON IT. UM BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST
WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO EQUITY
AND JUST WRAP UP WITH THIS
QUESTION AND WANNA GET TO PUBLIC
COMMENT. IF THERE ARE FOLKS HERE
WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME
COMMENTS AS WELL, BUT MR PARTIDO
LOPEZ, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF
YOU HAD ANY EQUITY FOCUSED
CHARGER INSTALLATION PROGRAMS,
WHICH YOU THINK STAND OUT AS A
SUCCESS THAT WE COULD REALLY
LEARN FROM UM, GOING FORWARD.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM
BECAUSE AS WE'VE SEEN UP TO NOW
, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CALIBER
HIPPIE HERE WE HAVE ENERGY
COMMISSION AND WE HAVE PUC RIGHT
WITH PROGRAMS ON CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAVE A
COMPONENT OF THEIR PROGRAM
TARGETED AT LOW INCOME OR
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. I
THINK WE HAVE YET TO SEE A HYPER
FOCUS PROGRAM THAT IS INTENDED
TO FULLY SERVE A LOW INCOME
POPULATION. THE EMPOWERED
PROGRAM THAT PG AND E IS SET TO
IMPLEMENT OR IS IMPLEMENTING NOW
IS 100% TARGETED AT LOW INCOME,
LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS THAT CAN
ACCESS THIS ADDITIONAL INSECT.
THERE'S A DID THIS INCENTIVE FOR
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT
WENT THROUGH A WHOLE OBVIOUSLY
PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT
APPROVED AND THAT I THINK IS ONE
THAT WE WANT TO UPLIFT. I THINK
IT'S STILL IN THE PROCESS OF
BEING FULLY DEVELOPED AND
IMPLEMENTED. I THINK THERE'S
BEEN SOME ISSUES IN KIND OF
GETTING THAT TO THE FINISH LINE.
BUT THAT I THINK IS A GOOD A
GOOD DISPLAY OF AN OPPORTUNITY
TO GO ALL IN THE MOTOR UNIT
DWELLING OR AT HOME, CHARGING
THAT ENERGY COMMISSION WILL HAVE
SOON HOPEFULLY WILL BE TARGETED
, AT LEAST FOR US. HOPEFULLY
100% OF THAT AT A MOTEL IN THE
DWELLINGS RIGHT IN AN AREA WHERE
WE KNOW IT'S A BIG GAP, RIGHT?
UM AND BEING ABLE TO LIKE,
REALLY FOCUSING. SO THERE ARE A
COUPLE AND THESE OTHER PROGRAMS
THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LIKE
CALLIE, VIP AND OTHERS. I MEAN,
THERE ARE GETTING AT THAT, BUT I
THINK WE NEED TO AGAIN BE A LOT
MORE INTENTIONAL. AND NOT JUST
HAVE YOU KNOW 25 35 40% BUT HOW
ABOUT FLIPPING IT, KNOWING THAT
WE HAVE A LOT MORE BARRIERS WHEN
IT COMES TO LOW INCOME, LOW
INCOME HOUSEHOLDS OR OTHER MULTI
UNIT DWELLINGS AND PRIORITIZE
THOSE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT WE
HAVE RIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE
LIMITED RESOURCES, AND WE THINK
ABOUT RATEPAYER FUNDS AND WHERE
WE'RE INVESTING THEM AGAIN. WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE
LOWER INCOME FOLKS THAT ARE ALSO
BUYING INTO THAT OR PAYING INTO
THAT GETS A BENEFIT. AND SO HOW
ARE WE THEN MAKING SURE THAT
THOSE INVESTMENTS ARE BEING
PRIORITIZED THERE? YEAH PLEASE.
SOMETHING FOR CALLIE V. I P LIKE
I HAD MENTIONED IN MY COMMENTS.
IT WAS 41.7% WENT TO
DISADVANTAGE ALONE. CAN
COMMUNITIES AND BLOCK GRANT ONE,
AND WE HAVE SWITCHED TO YOU?
ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY D A C S, AND,
UH, LOW ADVANTAGE. LOW INCOME
COMMUNITIES FOR BLOCK GRANT TO
WE JUST TOOK THE FIRST WINDOW IN
JANUARY THROUGH MARCH. SO NO,
NO, NONE OF THOSE HAVE ACTUALLY
BEEN PUT IN THE GROUND, YET
THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF
GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING, SO
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME MORE
ROBUST INFORMATION ON THAT, UM,
IN THE COMING MONTHS AS THOSE
STARTS COME ONLINE AND LIKE, I
SAY, OR EXCITED ABOUT SEPTEMBER
13TH NEXT CHUNK OF MONEY STARTS
TO GO OUT OR THE NEXT
APPLICATION WINDOW, AND THOSE
ALSO BE EXCLUSIVE. MOVING
FORWARD. THAT'S GREAT. WONDERFUL
WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR
THAT. UM AND JUST I HAVE TO DO
ONE MORE PLUG FOR ELECTRIFIED
ROADS BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT
REALLY CAN HELP WHEN WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT EQUITY, UM, AND
ACCESS TO E. V S, BECAUSE IF YOU
IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO
CHARGE WHILE YOU DRIVE TO WORK
WHILE YOU DRIVE TO FAMILIES
HOUSE WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING ALL
THE WAY UP TO FIVE. AND THEN ALL
YOU NEED IS CHARGED WHILE YOU'RE
OFF OF THE FIVE. RIGHT UM, THAT
WOULD HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, FOLKS
WHO DON'T HAVE CHARGERS AT HOME
. UM IT ALSO HELPS WITH MEDIUM
AND HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES SO THAT
THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS HEAVY
A LOAD IN THERE. UM YOU KNOW,
THEY'RE THEY'RE BATTERY TO BE
ABLE TO MAKE IT FROM A TO B. AND
ARE ABLE TO GO MUCH LONGER
RANGES. IT HELPS WITH PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION BEING ABLE TO BE
ONLINE AND BE AVAILABLE. UM SO I
HOPE THAT I HEAR ALL OF THIS
AMAZING PLANNING HAPPENING TO
HELP US GET TO OUR GOALS. I HOPE
THAT THERE IS SPACE. UM, AND
INCLUSION OF, YOU KNOW,
TECHNOLOGIES LIKE THIS THAT I
THINK ARE PART OF THE FUTURE
THAT WE NEED TO GET TO THAT WILL
BE, I THINK HAVE INCREDIBLE
RIPPLE EFFECTS AND NOT ONLY
INCREASING ACCESS FOR EVERYONE
BUT ADDRESSING EQUITY ADDRESSING
SOME OF THESE LARGE AND HEAVY
DUTY VEHICLE CHALLENGES THAT WE
HAVE, UM TO, YOU KNOW, TO HELP
US MAKE OUR GOALS AND HELP US
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM YOU
KNOW, BREATHING THE CLEAN AIR,
WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO
TRYING TO DO ALL OF THIS IN THE
FIRST PLACE. SO I WANT TO THANK
YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE
TODAY FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE
DOING TO HELP US GET THERE AND I
WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC
COMMENT. UM FOR THOSE WHO WOULD
LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS TODAY?
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KELLY
SMITH. AND I'M HERE AS A PRIVATE
CITIZEN, ALTHOUGH MY NAME HAS
KIND OF BEEN CIRCLING AROUND
THIS BUILDING FOR MORE THAN A
FEW DECADES, I WORKED IN THE
UTILITIES AND ENERGY COMMITTEE
FOR QUITE AN EXTENSIVE PERIOD OF
TIME. I AM ON MY SECOND EVIE
OVER NINE YEARS I AM I AM DOING
FINE AND I'M RETIRED. I HAVE
PLENTY OF TIME TO DRIVE ALL OVER
THE PLACE WHEN I'M ON THE ROAD
LOOKING FOR A CHARGER, DUTIFULLY
CHARGED AT HOME IN THE NIGHT THE
CAR GETS PLUGGED IN, BUT THE
TIMER DELAYS BUT I'M HERE REALLY
PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF ONE
SPECIFIC PROBLEM THAT SOMEBODY
COULD SOMEBODY'S I THINK COULD
ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY, AND THAT IS
THE ELECTRIFY AMERICA SYSTEM.
ELECTRIFY AMERICA IS UNDER A
STATE JURISDICTIONAL COURT. UM
SETTLEMENT AND FEDERAL EPA TO
SET UP A SYSTEM. THE SYSTEMS
THERE. THE CHARGERS ARE THERE.
THERE ARE 250 ELECTRIFY AMERICA
CHARGING STATIONS IN CALIFORNIA
, AND YOU'RE LUCKY IF THEY WORK
HALF THE TIME. AND THEY ARE
FILING I HAD ALL THESE NOTES.
THEY'RE FILING ALL THESE
WONDERFUL REPORTS WITH THE WITH
CARB ABOUT COMPLIANCE. BUT WHAT
THEY DON'T TELL YOU IS THAT THEY
COUNT A SESSION AS SOMEBODY WHO
DRIVES IN AND CHARGES FOR THREE
MINUTES AND LEAVES AND THIS
HAPPENS REGULARLY. I'VE DONE
ABOUT 12 TO 13,000 MILES OF ROAD
TRIPS BETWEEN ARIZONA,
CALIFORNIA AND NEVADA. SINCE I
GOT MY SECOND CAR IN JANUARY OF
20 TO 1 OF THOSE WAS IN JANUARY
, COINCIDENTALLY IN MISS SZABO'S
DISTRICT, I STOPPED AT AT
WALMART SPOT COMING BACK FROM
THE ROSE PARADE. I COULDN'T
CHARGE IN L A FOR DIFFERENT
REASONS, AND I KIND OF HAD IT
PLANNED. WELL, IF I GET HERE,
THEN I ONLY HAVE TO STOP ONE
MORE TIME. SO I STOPPED AT THESE
SIX CHARGERS AT WALMART. FIVE OF
THEM ARE BRAND NEW THERE ARE 350
KILOWATT CHARGERS. ONE OF THEM
IS OLDER 1 51 OF THEM IS NOT
BROKE. ONE OF THEM IS COMPLETELY
BROKEN. TWO OF THEM HAVE CARS
TRYING TO USE THEM AND ARE ONLY
PULLING 28 KILOWATTS WHEN IT CAN
FOOTBALL MULTIPLE TIMES MORE
THAN THAT, UM, TWO OF THEM ARE
EMPTY. I TRIED EACH. I PULLED
LESS THAN 30 KILOWATTS. IF I
TRIED TO CHARGE MY CAR ON THAT I
COULD ACTUALLY BE HALFWAY HOME
BACK TO SACRAMENTO IN THE TIME
THAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN ME TO
TRY TO CHARGE THAT CAR AND
THAT'S JUST UNACCEPTABLE. I
FINALLY GOT TO THE THIRD ONE
LIKE GOLDILOCKS AND THE 150
KILOWATT CHARGER WORKED AND I
WAS ABLE TO GET ENOUGH TO GET
FURTHER UP TO KETTLEMAN CITY OR
HARRIS RANCH OR SOMEPLACE TO
CHARGE THE REST OF THE WAY. I'M
HERE NOT AS MUCH FOR MYSELF, BUT
I'M ON SOCIAL MEDIA SITES
ELECTRIFY AMERICA EXPERIENCES IS
ON FACEBOOK GROUP. THERE ARE
PEOPLE POSTING REPORTS EVERY DAY
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN
CALIFORNIA ABOUT THESE FAILURES.
AND IT IS UNDERMINING EVIE
ADOPTION. I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT
IT, AND I STILL HAVE THE NEED TO
FIX THINGS FROM MY LEGISLATIVE
TIME. AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONE
I'M PAYING ATTENTION TO. AND
HAWAII FIRES IN THE UTILITY
THERE THAT REALLY BLEW IT, BUT
ANYWAY. I UM I HOPE THAT SOMEONE
CAN INTERVENE. THERE'S ONLY TWO
REASONS THAT I CAN THINK OF TO
ACCOUNT FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE ELECTRICITY.
YEAH FIRST OF ALL, ARE THEY
GETTING DISTRIBUTION UPGRADES TO
PULL 274 KILOWATTS OF POWER AND
15 MINUTES, WHICH IS WHAT I CAN
DO WITH MY CAR AND GET 200 MILES
. I SUGGEST NO. THE COMPLIANCE
REPORTS THAT THEY'RE FILING AT
CARB THEY BOAST ABOUT NOT DOING
DISTRIBUTION UPGRADES. AS WE
HEARD FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE
FROM SAN DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC
. THOSE CARS ARE LIKE ADDING A
HOUSE. AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW
YOU CAN ADEQUATELY CHARGE
WITHOUT THE DISTRIBUTION UPGRADE
. NOW THE BANTER ON THE SOME OF
THE GROUPS SORRY, JUST WE HAVE
WE HAVE A LONG LINE HERE. THE
BANTER ON THE GROUPS IS THAT
THEY'RE INTENTIONALLY THROTTLING
THEM AND LOWERING IT. WHY NOT?
THEY'RE THEY'RE GIVING THE THERE
ARE MANUFACTURER INCENTIVES WHEN
YOU BUY A CAR. MY CAR CAME WITH
THREE YEARS OF FREE CHARGING. SO
THEY DON'T HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO
SELL ELECTRICITY ON THOSE UNITS
BECAUSE IT'S FREE AND SO THEY'RE
DOING SOMETHING AND I HOPE THAT
SOMEBODY CAN INTERVENE BECAUSE
PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE REALLY,
REALLY GRUMPY. THANK YOU.
UNDERSTAND THANK YOU. I'M MIKE
ROBSON. I'M HERE FOR THE
CALIFORNIA MUNICIPALLY CHILIES
ASSOCIATION. I WANT TO PUT IN A
PLUG FOR KELLY SMITH WERE WHEN I
RETIRE IN AND HOPEFULLY IT WON'T
BE THAT FAR AWAY. I WILL NEVER
COME BACK HERE. THERE'S NOTHING
THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU GUYS
ARE DOING THAT I'LL EVER BE AS
PAT THAT PASSIONATE ABOUT SO
REALLY KUDOS TO KELLY. SO I'M
REALLY QUICK FOR CALIFORNIA'S
UTILITIES ASSOCIATION, AND YOU
KNOW THEY'RE 25% OF THE
POPULATIONS ARE, UH, ELECTRICITY
AND TRANSPORTATION SECTORS. A
BIG PART OF THE GREENHOUSE GET A
BIG PART OF A OF OUR GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS. UM, YOU KNOW,
PORTFOLIO CMOS SUPPORTS EVIE
ADOPTION JUST AND SOME OF THIS
HAS BEEN HIT ON IN THIS HEARING
TODAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE NEED IS
IT'S GONNA CREATE ENORMOUS LOAD
GROWTH AND JUST SO YOU, YOU KNOW
, HAVE IT IN MIND AND THE WE'RE
GOING TO CREATE ALL THIS GROWTH
FOR ELECTRICITY TO CHARGE
ELECTRIC VEHICLES AT THE SAME
TIME THAT THE THAT THE UTILITIES
ARE TRYING TO REWIRE THE STATE'S
INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOUNT FOR
REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS THROUGH RENEWABLE
ENERGY AND SO ON, SO JUST AS AS
THIS COMMITTEE AND AS
POLICYMAKERS ARE GRAPPLING WITH
THOSE THOSE TWO THINGS YOU JUST
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WRESTLE
WITH IT THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO
REWIRE THE SYSTEM TO DO
RENEWABLES AND WE'RE GONNA
SOMEHOW HAVE TO STILL MEET ALL
THIS ENORMOUS ELECTRICITY LOAD
WERE THE MUNICIPAL UTILITIES ARE
HERE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, MADAM. CHAIR MARK FINSTER
MAKER HERE FOR PENINSULA, CLEAN
ENERGY AND COMMUNITY CHOICE
AGGREGATORS SERVING SAN MATEO
COUNTY AS WELL AS LOS BANOS. I
JUST WANT TO FOCUS MY COMMENTS
IN ON SOME OF THE INCENTIVES
THAT WE'RE OFFERING AND HOW
WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, BRINGING
APPROACH THAT ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT
RIGHT SIZING AS WE LOOK AT
RESIDENTIAL USE, PARTICULARLY
MULTI FAMILY HOUSING WERE TWO
THIRDS OF OUR INCENTIVES ARE
GOING IN. WE REALLY WANT TO SEE
CHARGING. LOOK AT HOW COMMUTERS
ARE MOVING AROUND AND WHAT THEIR
DRIVING HABITS ARE. AND WHAT
WE'RE FINDING IS THAT YOU REALLY
CAN GET AWAY WITH HAVING A LEVEL
ONE CHARGER OR A POWER MANAGE
LEVEL TWO CHARGER AND THAT'S
GOING TO BRING A LOT OF COST
EFFECTIVENESS BOTH ON THE CASA
SIDE, BUT ALSO ON YOUR TIME
SIDE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NEED
THE PANEL UPGRADES. YOU'RE NOT
GONNA NEED TO WAIT. YOU KNOW THE
YEAR PLUS FOR YOUR INCUMBENT
UTILITY TO COME OUT AND UPGRADE
YOUR PANEL? UM SO WE JUST THINK
THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION
NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT THIS PART
OF THE EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS YOU
KNOW, A RIGHTSIZING APPROACH,
NOT ALWAYS JUST THINKING ABOUT
THE HIGH LEVEL TWOS OR THE DC
FAST CHARGERS. WE CAN GET MORE
CHARGING IN PLACE AT A MORE COST
EFFECTIVE RATE, WHICH IS GOING
TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTO E V. S.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON COMMITTEE MEMBERS
REBECCA MARCUS ON BEHALF OF THE
UNION OF CONCERNED SCIENTISTS TO
ACHIEVE THE ESSENTIAL EMISSIONS
REDUCTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH
CALIFORNIANS. VEHICLE
ELECTRIFICATION REGULATIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO EXPAND
AND FUND MASSIVE BUILD OUT OF
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE,
PARTICULARLY IN THE HEAVY DUTY
SECTOR TO HELP PROVIDE THE
STABLE FUNDING. THE LEGISLATURE
MUST EXTEND ABBEY EIGHT AND 1
18. FEES THAT FUND ZERO EMISSION
INFRASTRUCTURE. IF THEY ARE NOT
APPROVED. THIS YEAR, THIS COULD
BE LOST FOREVER. IT HAS ALSO
CRITICAL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE
ACTUALLY WORKS WHEN PEOPLE WANT
TO USE IT. YOU SEE US SUPPORT
STRONG RELIABILITY STANDARDS FOR
EVIE CHARGING AND HYDROGEN
FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE. THE C E.
C. AS YOU KNOW, IS WORKING ON
STANDARDS NOW ON THE CHARGING
SIDE, AND WE HOPE THE
LEGISLATURE WILL WORK TO UPHOLD
THESE STRONG STANDARDS. FINALLY
AS WE LOOK TO SPEND
UNPRECEDENTED PUBLIC DOLLARS ON
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, WE
SHOULD BE LOOKING TOWARDS A
FUTURE WHERE AS MUCH OF THAT
INFRASTRUCTURE IS BI DIRECTIONAL
AND CAN ALLOW POWER TO BE
EXPORTED BACK FROM CARS TO THE
GRID OR BUILDINGS WHEN THE
GREATEST STRESSED AS THE POWER
GOES OUT. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE COMMENTS,
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING
WITH YOU. THANK YOU. HI GOOD
AFTERNOON. I'M WILL BARRETT WITH
THE AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION
AND FIRST OFF REALLY DO
APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
TODAY. IT'S A CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT TOPIC FROM A PUBLIC
HEALTH PERSPECTIVE ON TOP OF ALL
THE OTHER. YOU KNOW, THINGS
YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT TODAY. UM SO
TRANSPORTATION IS THE NUMBER ONE
SOURCE OF HARMFUL AIR AND
CLIMATE POLLUTION IN CALIFORNIA.
UH IT'S A MAJOR SOURCE OF THE
DISPARITIES THAT MANY OF THE
PANELISTS TALKED ABOUT. AND
REALLY, WITHOUT THIS TRANSITION
TO LIGHT DUTY, MEDIUM DUTY AND
HEAVY DUTY ZERO MISSION
TRANSPORTATION. WE'RE NOT GOING
TO MEET OUR CLEAN AIR STANDARDS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET OUR
CLIMATE STANDARDS, AND WE'RE
GONNA LEAVE BILLIONS AND TENS OF
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PUBLIC
HEALTH BENEFITS ON THE TABLE. IF
WE CAN'T GET THIS RIGHT, GET
THIS INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT OUT
QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY AND THAT
WORKS FOR ALL COMMUNITIES. UM
SOME OF OUR RESEARCH SHOWS THAT
THE BENEFITS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
IF WE GET THIS TRANSPORTATION,
UH, 20 MISSION ACROSS THE BOARD
WILL BE LOOKING AT 15,000 LIVES
SAVED IN CALIFORNIA BY 2050
BECAUSE THE AIR WILL BE THAT
MUCH CLEANER, SO IT'S A CLIMATE
ISSUE. IT'S AN EQUITY ISSUE.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE AT
ITS CORE, I'LL ECHO THE UNION OF
CONCERNED SCIENTISTS, COMMENTS
ABOUT THE NEED FOR
REAUTHORIZATION OF THOSE
CRITICAL CLEANER FUNDING
PROGRAMS THROUGH A B 8 81 18 THE
CURRENT BILL THAT MS REYES
TALKED ABOUT 80 TO 41 IS JUST A
CRITICAL PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURE
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE
A $2 BILLION HOLE IN OUR CLEAN
AIR PROGRAMS OVER THE NEXT
DECADE. SO WITH THAT, I JUST
WANT TO AGAIN SAY THANK YOU FOR
AIRING A LOT OF THESE
CONVERSATIONS. WE NEED TO GET IT
RIGHT. WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT
QUICKLY, AND BY DOING SO WE KEEP
THE FOCUS ON CLEANING UP THE AIR
FOR ALL COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. ALISE
PHªN DRINK FROM TRENTON PRICE
CONSULTING. WE'RE HERE,
REPRESENTING TERAWATT TO
SPECIALIZES IN DEVELOPMENT AND
DEPLOYMENT OF HEAVY AND MEDIUM
DUTY. UM TRUCK CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE SO VERY
APPRECIATIVE OF THE COMMITTEE
TODAY AND WANT TO ADDRESS A
COUPLE BARRIERS THAT TERAWATT
HAS IDENTIFIED. FOR THIS
INFRASTRUCTURE, BUILD OUT FIRST
WITH REGARDS TO LOCAL ZONING AND
PERMITTING, JUST ENCOURAGE THE
STATE TO CONTINUE CONTINUE TO
FIND WAYS TO PARTNER AND WORK
WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO
PROACTIVELY STREAMLINE AND
ACCELERATE THE ENTITLEMENT
PROCESS AND TIMELINE FOR BATTERY
ELECTRIC, MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE,
PARTICULARLY SEPARATE FROM OTHER
LIQUID FUELING STATION. SO
THINKING ABOUT A SEPARATE
PERMITTING PROCESS FOR THAT TYPE
OF BATTERY ELECTRIC CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE AS OPPOSED TO
OTHER FUELING UM SECONDLY, WANT
TO ECHO A LOT OF THE CONCERNS
THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED HERE
AROUND THE INTERCONNECTION
PROCESS. WE CONTINUE TO SEE THAT
AS A LARGE BARRIER FOR BRINGING
A LOT OF THESE HEAVY DUTY
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE FLEETS
ONLINE AND, UM, FINALLY,
TERAWATT SUPPORTS A GREATER
DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCES
INTEGRATION PLAN AND ENCOURAGES
THE STATE AND STATE AGENCIES. TO
URGE UTILITIES TO PROVIDE
INNOVATIVE RATES AND TARIFFS
THAT ENCOURAGED THE CO LOCATION
OF DRS ALONGSIDE HEAVY DUTY E V
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE. THANKS
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM
SO HAVING HEARD ALL OF THE
PUBLIC TESTIMONY JUST, UH, MR
CONNELLY, DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE
WITH ANYTHING ELSE OR I THINK
I'M GOOD AGAIN APPRECIATE THE
HEARING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR
FROM SOME GREAT WITNESSES. THANK
YOU FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AS
WELL. DEFINITELY SOME THEMES
THAT HAVE EMERGED SO ABSOLUTELY
. UM SO THIS, UM I AGAIN WANT TO
THANK OUR PANEL THAT WAS HERE,
UM, FOR THEIR TESTIMONY AND
PARTICIPATION AND CONCLUDE OUR
AGENDA I WANT TO AGAIN. THANK
SAM FOR ALL OF HIS WORK BOTH
HERE TODAY AND WITH THE UTILITY
AND ENERGY COMMITTEE ALSO WANNA,
UM THANK MY LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR
GRACE AND DO SET WHOSE STAFFING
OUR ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND
INFRASTRUCTURE SUBCOMMITTEE, SO
HE'S YOUR GUY. IF YOU NEED TO
TALK TO US, UM AND THE THIS
CONCLUDES OUR JOINT COMMITTEE OF
YOU, ANDY AND THE SELECT
COMMITTEE ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES
AND CHARGING THANK YOU,
EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TODAY.