I'VE NEVER GOT TO DO THIS
BEFORE, SO I'M GONNA DO IT. ALL
RIGHT. WELL GOOD MORNING,
EVERYBODY. THIS IS A OUR FIRST
GATHERING HERE AS A COMMITTEE
AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A
VERY PRODUCTIVE YEAR BEFORE WE
BEGIN. WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A
QUORUM. SO IF WE COULD HAVE THE
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MCKENNA. LACKEY HERE PRESENT
BURNER BURNER PRESENT. VINCE
VAUGHN, PRESIDENT HEART.
PRESENT. WHEN THREE OF US AT
LEAST RIVAS, PRESIDENT. DO WE
HAVE A QUORUM? THAT'S
OUTSTANDING. OKAY I ALSO WOULD
LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEW MEMBERS
HERE. AH MISS BURNER AND SOME
MEMBER HEART. AND THREE OF US.
THIS IS EXCITING. YEAH, WE HAVE.
ONLY ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. SO
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE THANK YOU,
MR VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU. FOR
THE GREAT WE DID. THAT WAS SO
TODAY. I'M PROUD TO PRESENT A B
1693. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME IN
THE COMMITTEE TO I'VE NEVER BEEN
BEFORE PERSISTS. FUN FOR US TO
BE HERE. I'M PROUD TO PRESENT A
B 1693, WHICH ELIMINATES OUR
OUTDATED REQUIREMENT FOR COLLEGE
DEGREE TO ACCESS STATE JOBS. IT
FOCUSES ON THE NEEDS OF A
POSITION IN MANDATES THAT A
DEGREE REQUIREMENT BE JUSTIFIED
BY THE DEMANDS OF THE POSITION
ITSELF. THIS WILL HELP WITH
EQUITY AND ACCESS TO GOOD JOBS
HERE IN CALIFORNIA WITH ME TODAY
IS JULIA POLLOCK, CHIEF
ECONOMIST AT ZIPPER CREW. ER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VICE CHAIR.
LACKEY DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT TESTIMONY
AND SUPPORT OF A B 1693. THERE
ARE SEVERAL COMPELLING REASONS
TO CONSIDER REMOVING THE
BACHELOR'S DEGREE AS A
REQUIREMENT FOR STATE JOBS. THE
FIRST IS THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS
EXCLUSIONARY, ELIMINATING FROM
CONSIDERATION 64% OF THE STATES
WORKING AGE POPULATION,
INCLUDING ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF
MILITARY VETERANS AND OLDER
WORKERS, MANY OF WHOM HAVE
COMPLETED EQUIVALENT TRAINING.
AND ACQUIRED VALUABLE SKILLS AND
EXPERIENCE. THE SECOND REASON IS
THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS OFTEN
IRRELEVANT. THE BURNING GLASS
INSTITUTE HAS CONDUCTED
EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON WHAT IT
CALLS MIDDLE SKILL OCCUPATIONS.
DEFINED AS POSITIONS REQUIRING
SOME EDUCATION OR TRAINING
BEYOND HIGH SCHOOL BUT SHORT OF
A COLLEGE DEGREE. THAT CATEGORY
APPLIES TO MANY STATE JOBS, AND
THE RESEARCHERS FOUND THAT THE
SKILLS DEMANDS FOR THOSE JOBS DO
NOT DIFFER SIGNIFICANTLY BETWEEN
THOSE JOBS WITH AND WITHOUT
DEGREE REQUIREMENTS. THE THIRD
IS THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS
COSTLY. REQUIRING DEGREES FOR
EMPLOYMENT CAN PLACE THE
FINANCIAL BURDEN ON CANDIDATES
THAT IS LATER PASSED ON TO THE
STATE IN THE FORM OF HIGHER THAN
NECESSARY EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION
COSTS. THE FOURTH IS THAT THERE
ARE ALTERNATIVE GAUGES OF
CANDIDATES SKILL. THOSE INCLUDE
OCCUPATIONAL LICENSES, ONLINE
CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS AND SKILLS
ASSESSMENTS ADMINISTERED DURING
THE HIRING PROCESS. IT IS FOR
THESE REASONS THAT EIGHT STATE
GOVERNMENTS, INCLUDING MARYLAND,
NEW JERSEY AND PENNSYLVANIA,
NUMEROUS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND
MANY HUNDREDS OF MAJOR COMPANIES
, INCLUDING IBM, DELL AND BANK
OF AMERICA HAVE ALREADY DROPPED
DEGREE REQUIREMENTS FOR MOST
JOBS. IN A RECENT SURVEY OF
EMPLOYERS CONDUCTED BY MY TEAM
AT ZIPPER, CRUDER LEADING ONLINE
EMPLOYMENT MARKETPLACE, 72% OF
EMPLOYERS REPORTED PRACTICING
SKILLS BASED HIRING PRIORITIZING
SKILLS OVER DEGREES. AND 45%
REPORTED HAVING DROPPED DEGREE
REQUIREMENTS WITH SOME ROLES IN
JUST THE PAST YEAR. SORT OF
CONCLUDE, REMOVING AN
EXCLUSIONARY, IRRELEVANT, COSTLY
AND UNNECESSARY BARRIER TO ENTRY
COULD PROVIDE STATE AGENCIES
WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALLEVIATE
STAFFING SHORTAGES AND IMPROVE
PUBLIC SERVICE DELIVERY, ALL
WHILE BUILDING A MORE DIVERSE
AND INCLUSIVE WORKFORCE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANY
OTHER. WITNESSES THAT WOULD LIKE
TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THIS
MEASURE. THEY COME TO THE MIC.
ALRIGHT HI. GOOD MORNING. DANIEL
CHERYL, LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE ON
BEHALF OF CHULO, CA 1000. I
WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR
SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL,
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE HIGH
VACANCY RATES THAT UM, THE
DEPARTMENTS WHERE WE REPRESENT
WORKERS EXPERIENCE. WE FEEL THIS
VILLAGE IS A GOOD APPROACH.
COMMON SENSE. WE ALSO SORRY.
IT'S JUST LIKE FEEDBACK. NO NO,
NO, WE'RE FINE. UM, ALSO JUST
WOULD LIKE TO, UM EXPRESS OUR
THANKS TO, UM, THE COMMITTEE AND
CONSULTANT FOR THE ANALYSIS
DEFINITELY WOULD. UM LIKE TO
CONTINUE IN CONVERSATION WITH
THE AUTHOR, UM, AROUND WAYS
THAT, UM NOT ONLY SC I YOU LOOK
1000 BILLION. OTHER STATE WORKER
UNIONS CAN PROVIDE INPUT. ON TO
HOW THESE REQUIREMENTS CAN BE
ADJUSTED AND AS THE ANALYSIS
POINTED OUT, GIVEN THE
CONVERSATIONS AND WORK WE'RE
DOING WITH KELLY CHAR AROUND
OPENING APPRENTICE, UM POSITIONS
TO NON STATE WORKERS WE'D LIKE
TO BE, ESPECIALLY IN MINDFUL
ABOUT WHICH POSITIONS AND HOW
STATE AGENCIES ARE APPROACHING
THIS POSSIBLE ADJUSTMENT IN IN,
UM POSTING POSITIONS AND
REQUIRING, UM YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE IN PLACE OF COLLEGE
DEGREES, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU
. DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD
LIKE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THIS
MEASURE? CARRY ANY WITNESSES AND
OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING, SANDRA
BARREIRO ON BEHALF OF STU,
CALIFORNIA. WE ARE NOT IN
OPPOSITION AND I WE DON'T HAVE
AN OFFICIAL POSITION. I JUST
WANTED TO FIRST. THANK THE
AUTHOR. YOUR OFFICE IS VERY BEEN
RECEPTIVE TO HEAR SOME VERY LATE
CONCERNS, THE ONE KIND OF ISSUE
THAT GIVES US PAUSE. IS THAT
TYPICALLY ANY SORT OF CHANGE TO
MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS IS
NEGOTIATED WITH THE EXCLUSIVE
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE UNION. UM
AND THROUGH MUTUAL AGREEMENT, UM
, THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS CAN
WE CHANGE? SO THAT'S THE ONLY
ISSUE THAT'S GIVING US PAUSES.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE CAN PRESERVE POSITIONS WHERE
THEY ARE ON THE SALARY SCHEDULE,
AND, UM, THAT NOTHING WILL LEAD
TO DE SKILLING. AND AGAIN. THANK
YOU TO YOUR OFFICE FOR BEING
RECEPTIVE TO SOME SOME LIGHT
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. HI GOOD
MORNING CHANNEL SOMALI WITH
ASKED ME CALIFORNIA AGAIN, NOT
IN OPPOSITION JUST DIDN'T KNOW
WHERE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE I FIT,
BUT WE DID APPROACH HER OFFICE
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND WE
KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
ONGOING CONVERSATIONS. I THINK
THE WAY THAT THE BILL IS
CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WERE
CONCERNED THAT IT MAKES IT LOOK
AS IF THESE THESE JOBS ARE THAT
ARE OPEN THAT THEY MIGHT SEEM
LIKE IT'S KIND OF AN ANTI
COLLEGE. POSITION AND WHAT WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT YES,
THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE PATHWAYS
TO STATE AND CIVIL SERVICE,
WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO
ADDRESS THE HIGH VACANCY RATE
PROBLEMS. UM AND WE ALSO NEED TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE OTHER
LIFE EXPERIENCES OR OTHER
EXPERIENCES THAT CAN HELP
PROVIDE THE SKILLS, KNOWLEDGE
AND ABILITIES FOR THESE
DIFFERENT JOB CLASSIFICATION. SO
AGAIN WITH I LOVE TO WORK WITH
YOU IN YOUR OFFICE AND THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR THIS. OKAY. THANK
YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY REMARKS?
EITHER AGAINST OR IN SUPPORT OF
THIS MEASURE. OKAY, WE'LL BRING
IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. ANY
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS VERY QUIET.
GIVE ME A CHANCE TO CLOSE. THANK
YOU. UM SECOND. THANK YOU. UM I
WANT TO START BY THANKING
GOVERNOR NEWSOM, WHO HAD AN
EXECUTIVE ORDER ON THIS TOPIC
THAT REQUIRES THAT WE REVISIT
THE QUESTION OF SKILLS BASED
HIRING. WHEN A JOB IS REVIEWED.
THE QUESTION IS, WHEN DOES THAT
HAPPEN? AND DOES IT HAPPEN?
RIGHT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A
SYSTEM BY WHICH WE ARE INSURING.
WE'RE DOING THE WORK OF OPENING
UP THESE JOBS TO THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE MOST QUALIFIED TO TAKE THEM
RATHER THAN THOSE WITH DEGREES.
I WANT TO THANK THOSE WHO
BROUGHT CONCERNS FORWARD. MY
OFFICE IS HAPPY TO CONTINUE WORK
FOR THEM. I THINK WE ALL AGREE
IN CONCEPT THAT WE WANT TO SEE
THE PEOPLE WITH THE BEST SKILL
SET HIRED FOR THESE JOBS, NOT
PEOPLE WITH AN ARBITRARY DEGREE
THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE RELEVANT
TO THE WORK AHEAD OF THEM. SO
WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR MY VOTE. OKAY I THINK WE
HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I
THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO, UH CALL
THE QUESTION. THE MOTION IS DO
PASS AND WE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS.
IT'S MOVED BY BURNER SECONDED BY
REVIS MAKIN, ER. LUCKY I
BOERNER HORVATH I, VINCE FONG
WANG, I HEART HEART I STEPHANIE
NGUYEN THREE OF US THREE OF US I
WE HAVE FIVE VOTES WERE IN A
PLACE THAT BILL ON CALL. THANK
YOU ALL PLACED ON CALLED. WE'LL
HOPE TO, UH ER CHAIR. YES. I
THINK THE MOTION MAY NOT HAVE
BEEN TO APPROPRIATIONS. IT
APPEARS TO BE NON FISCAL IS THE
MOTION TO APPROPRIATIONS. OH
SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE RIGHT.
OKAY? WE STAND CORRECTED COURSE
YOU KNOW BETTER. THAT IS ALWAYS
THE.
I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE
ROAD FOR A B 1693 FOR ABSENT
MEMBERS. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
CURRENT MOTION IS DO PASS AND WE
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. CORRECT VOTE IS
FIVE. ZERO. MAKIN ER I ER I
STEPHANIE NGUYEN. STEPHANIE WENT
I BUILT AS I WAS 7 TO 0 VOTES.
MEETING ADJOURNED.