THE ASSEMBLY TRANSPORTATION
COMMITTEE IS CALLED TO ORDER.
GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME,
EVERYONE. THE HEARING ROOM IS
OPEN FOR ATTENDANCE OF THIS
HEARING, AND IT CAN BE WATCHED
FROM A LIVE STREAM ON THE
ASSEMBLY'S WEBSITE. WE ENCOURAGE
THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE WRITTEN
TESTIMONY BY VISITING THE
COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE. PLEASE NOTE
THAT ANY WRITTEN TESTIMONY
SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE IS
CONSIDERED PUBLIC COMMENT, AND
MAY BE READ INTO THE RECORD OR
REPRINTED. WE WILL ALLOW TWO
MINUTES EACH FOR TWO PRIMARY
WITNESSES IN SUPPORT AND
OPPOSITION. THESE WITNESSES MUST
TESTIFY IN PERSON IN THE HEARING
ROOM. ADDITIONAL WITNESS
COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO YOUR
NAME, ORGANIZATION AND POSITION.
BEFORE WE BEGIN TODAY, I WOULD
LIKE TO WELCOME. SHE'S NOT HERE
YET. I WILL DO THAT SHORTLY. WE
WOULD ALSO, LET'S SEE. YES. WE
WOULD ALSO LIKE TO WELCOME A NEW
MEMBER TO THE COMMITTEE,
ASSEMBLY MEMBER JOSH HOOVER.
WELCOME THANK YOU, WITH THAT, WE
WILL BEGIN OUR HEARING, IT LOOKS
LIKE WE DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM, SO
WE WILL START, AS AN
INFORMATIONAL HEARING. THERE ARE
SEVEN BILLS TO BE DISCUSSED
TODAY, THE FOLLOWING BILLS WILL
BE HEARD TODAY, FILE ITEM 2678,
13, 14 AND 16. WE HAVE, FILE
ITEM TWO, AB 1778. CONNOLLY,
WHO'S HERE? SIR, YOU MAY COME
AND ADD YOUR CONVENIENCE. BEGIN.
THANK YOU. CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
GOOD AFTERNOON, AB 1778 WOULD
AUTHORIZE MARIN COUNTY AND ITS
CITIES AND TOWNS TO ESTABLISH A
VOLUNTARY PILOT PROGRAM
PROHIBITING INDIVIDUALS UNDER
THE AGE OF 16 FROM OPERATING
CLASS TWO ELECTRIC BICYCLE
BICYCLES. IF AN ORDINANCE OR
RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED, THE
COUNTY MUST SUBMIT A REPORT TO
THE LEGISLATURE BY JANUARY 1ST,
2028 THAT INCLUDES TRAFFIC STOP
AND CITATION DATA. CLASS TWO
E-BIKES ARE OPERATED WITH A
THROTTLE FEATURE AND PEDAL
ASSIST, AND WHILE REGULATED TO
GO NO MORE THAN 20MPH, TOO OFTEN
THEY ARE BEING USED AT A HIGHER
SPEEDS, WITH MODIFICATIONS TO BE
CLEAR, THIS BILL HAS NOTHING TO
DO WITH REGULATING CLASS ONE
PEDAL ASSIST E-BIKES AND IS AN
EARLY TAILORED SO YOUTH WILL
STILL HAVE ACCESS TO E-BIKES.
PHYSICIANS HAVE REPORTED AN
UPTICK IN INJURIES THAT ARE NOT
JUST SCRAPED KNEES AND BRUISED
ELBOWS, BUT RATHER THE KINDS OF
INJURIES YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE
IN CRASHES INVOLVING HIGHER
SPEED VEHICLES, SUCH AS INTERNAL
BLEEDING, PELVIC FRACTURES,
DAMAGE TO VITAL ORGANS AND BRAIN
TRAUMA. THIS BILL IS GROUNDED IN
THE COMMITMENT TO SAFEGUARD OUR
YOUTH FROM POTENTIAL HAZARDS
ASSOCIATED WITH THESE BICYCLES
IN OUR COMMUNITY. REYES. WE
BELIEVE THAT SETTING AN AGE
LIMIT FOR OPERATORS AND
COLLECTING MORE DATA ON THIS
ISSUE WILL SIGNIFICANT REDUCE
CRASHES AND HELP ENSURE THAT OUR
STREETS REMAIN SAFE FOR EVERYONE
. OUR PRIORITY, AGAIN, IS TO
STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN
ENCOURAGING THE USE OF
SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION AND
ENSURING THE SAFETY OF OUR
COMMUNITY MEMBERS, PARTICULARLY
OUR YOUNG RIDERS. BEFORE
INTRODUCING MY TWO WITNESSES, I
ALSO WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME
PRODUCTIVE, ONGOING DISCUSSIONS
WITH MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU AND
COMMITTEE STAFF, WE HAVE HEARD
CONCERNS RAISED BY, SOME OF OUR
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT SOME
OF THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS
CGRTS, NAMELY, THOSE THAT GO
ABOVE AND BEYOND REPA STANDARDS.
MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CHAIR
IS WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO
ELIMINATE SECTION D, ONE G
RELATIVE TO REPORTING ON THE
NUMBER OF PERSONS WHO COMPLETE
TRAINING IN LIEU OF THE FINE.
BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO TALK
ABOUT D1C RELATING TO AGE
REPORTING REQUIRED FOR
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE STOPPED BUT
TURN OUT TO BE OVER 16 YEARS
OLD. THE REST OF THE REPORTING
IN THE BILL IS ALIGNED WITH
RIPA. SO I WILL NOW PASS IT OFF
TO MY WITNESSES, ALEXIS
RODRIGUEZ, A LEGISLATIVE
ADVOCATE FOR THE CALIFORNIA
MEDICAL ASSOCIATION NATION, AND
TALIA SMITH, LEGISLATIVE
COORDINATOR REPRESENTING THE
COUNTY OF MARIN. GOOD AFTERNOON,
ALEXIS RODRIGUEZ WITH THE
CALIFORNIA MEDICAL ASSOCIATION,
REPRESENTING 50,000 PHYSICIANS
AND MEDICAL STUDENTS ACROSS THE
STATE IN SUPPORT OF AB 1778.
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS,
E-BIKES HAVE BECOME AN
INCREASINGLY POPULAR FORM OF
TRANSPORTATION. UNFORTUNATELY,
AS E-BIKE RIDING HAS INCREASED,
SO HAS THE RATE OF INJURIES AS A
RESULT OF THEIR ACCIDENTS.
PHYSICIANS, ESPECIALLY THOSE
WORKING IN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS
, ARE TREATING MORE AND MORE
PATIENTS WITH SERIOUS INJURIES.
HEAD AND BRAIN TRAUMAS, AS WELL
AS BROKEN AND FRACTURED BONES,
ARE AMONG THE MOST COMMON. WHILE
THIS BILL IS LIMITED TO MARIN
COUNTY, AB 1778 HAS THE
POTENTIAL TO BE THE MODEL FOR
CALIFORNIA AND REPLICATED IN
OTHER COUNTIES. THIS APPROACH
WOULD ALLOW FOR LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS TO ANALYZE THE DATA
COLLECTED WITHIN THEIR COUNTY
AND ADOPT E-BIKE ORDINANCES THAT
BEST SERVE THEIR COMMUNITIES, AB
1778 WOULD IMPLEMENT THE
NECESSARY SAFEGUARDS FOR
CALIFORNIANS, ESPECIALLY OUR
YOUTH, AND ENSURE THEY'RE
PROTECTED FROM SERIOUS,
POTENTIALLY FATAL INJURIES. I'D
LIKE TO THANK ASSEMBLY MEMBER
CONNOLLY FOR BRINGING THIS
IMPORTANT PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURE
FORWARD. AND WITH THAT, I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TALIA
SMITH. I AM HERE WITH THE COUNTY
OF MARIN AND THE LEGISLATIVE
COORDINATOR IN THE COUNTY
EXECUTIVE OFFICE, THANK YOU FOR
ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY, I'M
NOT GOING TO REPEAT ANY OF THE
POINTS THAT THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER
AND MISS RODRIGUEZ SHARED, BUT I
JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME
ADDITIONAL POINTS LOCAL TO MARIN
SO I WOULD NOT BE REPRESENTING
THE COUNTY, ACCURATELY IF I DID
NOT SHARE THAT WE ARE A VERY PRO
MULTIMODAL COUNTY. WE ARE VERY
STRONG IN OUR ADVOCATE OF USE OF
BIKES AS WELL AS E-BIKES IN THIS
BILL. TODAY IS CERTAINLY NOT TO
DISCOURAGE THE USE OF THOSE, BUT
TO REALLY TARGET WHAT WE SEE AS
AN IMPORTANT SAFETY,
IMPLEMENTATION AS IT RELATES TO
CLASS TWO E-BIKES AND
SPECIFICALLY RIDERS UNDER 16
THAT ARE NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH
THE RULES OF THE ROAD. AND
SPECIFICALLY, THESE CLASS TWO
E-BIKES ARE THE THROTTLE
OPERATED THAT ARE NOT ALSO PEDAL
ASSISTED AND THESE CAN GO UP TO
20MPH. AND ACTUALLY, MANY
MANUFACTURERS ADVERTISE THAT
THEY CAN BE EASILY MODIFIED BY
THE RIDERS TO GO UP TO 40 MILES
AN HOUR. AND SO THESE ARE THE
BIKES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR
EMERGENCY CENTERS. AND TRAUMA
CENTERS THAT ARE HAVING A
DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF
INJURIES THAT, AS THE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER NOTED, ARE NOT TYPICAL
INJURIES WITH BICYCLES, BUT MUCH
MORE TRAUMATIC A SEVERE
INJURIES. I ALSO JUST WANTED TO
SHARE THAT SUPERVISOR MARY
SACKETT, WHO REALLY WORKED VERY
CLOSELY WITH ASSEMBLY MEMBER
CONNOLLY ON THIS AND I HAD THE
CHANCE TO GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C.
IN JANUARY, AND WE ACTUALLY MET
WITH TWO OUT OF THE FIVE,
COMMISSIONERS OF THE CONSUMER
PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION, AND
THEY SHARED WITH US THAT THIS
ISSUE WAS VERY MUCH ON THEIR
RADAR. AND THEY ACTUALLY JUST
THIS MONTH RELEASED AN ADVANCE
NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING IN
THE FEDERAL SPACE AROUND E-BIKE
SAFETY AND SPECIFICALLY FOR
YOUTH RIDERS. SO WE ARE GOING TO
BE MAKING THAT COMMENT, AND WE
ALSO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT,
KNOWING THAT THIS ISSUE DOES
HAVE THIS NATIONAL ATTENTION, WE
REALLY FEEL THAT THIS BILL GIVES
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH NATIONAL
AND STATE LEVEL POLICY MAKERS TO
USE MARIN AS A PILOT TO SEE IF
THE METHODS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE
DO ACTUALLY REDUCE INJURIES,
ESPECIALLY FOR OUR YOUNGEST
RIDERS. AND THE LAST THING I
JUST WANTED TO SHARE IS THAT THE
COMMISSION ALSO NOTED THAT WHAT
WE HAVE DONE IN MARIN TO START
TRACKING IN OUR EMERGENCY ROOMS
AND TRAUMA CENTERS, E-BIKE
ACCIDENTS VERSUS REGULAR
BICYCLES. THEY ARE ACTUALLY
WORKING ON A DIRECTIVE FOR
HOSPITALS NATIONWIDE TO DO THE
SAME. SO WE REALLY DO SEE
OURSELVES AS Ó. THANK YOU AS
OUT AHEAD ON THIS. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC
TESTIMONY FOR THOSE INTERESTED
IN, PROVIDE ME TWO COMMENTS
WHICH WILL BE LIMITED TO NAME
ORGANIZATION AND POSITION. MADAM
CHAIR, GOOD AFTERNOON. PAUL
YODER ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
GOLETA, ALSO IN SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, CHIARA ROSS, ON
BEHALF OF THE MARIN COUNTY
COUNCIL OF MAYORS AND COUNCIL
MEMBERS, ALL IN SUPPORT. BOB
MIDDLESTEAD, ON BEHALF OF E-BIKE
ACCESS, A MARIN BASED NONPROFIT
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ROMI
IGNACIO, TRAUMA MEDICAL
DIRECTOR, PEDIATRIC SURGEON IN
BEHALF OF THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA, SAN DIEGO. APART
THIS OBVIOUSLY. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. NOW MOVING ON TO THOSE
WHO MAY BE IN OPPOSITION, ARE
THERE ANY WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION? IF YOU CAN COME
FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE OR TO
THE SEATING
?
MY NAME IS KIRSTEN BLAD, AND I'M
HERE REPRESENTING STREETS FOR
ALL IN OPPOSITION TO AB 1778. AB
1778 IS BASED ON A STUDY OF
FEWER THAN 100 TOTAL CASES IN A
SINGLE COUNTY OVER A PERIOD OF
JUST FOUR MONTHS, AND THAT STUDY
DOES NOT EVEN SUPPORT THE BILLS
POLICIES, AS IT SHOWED THAT IT'S
ACTUALLY E-BIKE RIDERS 18 AND
OVER WHO ARE GETTING INJURED AND
NOT TEENAGERS. THE DATA ALSO
SHOWED THAT THE E-BIKE RIDERS
WHO WERE INJURED WERE HIT BY
CARS, WHICH HIGHLIGHTS THE
DANGER OF CARS MORE SO THAN AN
INHERENT DANGER OF E-BIKES.
STREETS FOR ALL ACKNOWLEDGES THE
CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH THE
INCREASING USE OF E-BIKES, WHICH
IS WHY WE WORKED WITH SENATOR
DAVE MIN AND SUPPORTED SB 381,
SIGNED INTO LAW IN 2023, WHICH
MANDATED A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY
WITH POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS ON
E-BIKE SAFETY. WE WOULD LIKE TO
SEE THE RESULTS OF THE SB 381
E-BIKE STUDY BEFORE WE MAKE ANY
MAJOR POLICY DECISIONS ABOUT WHO
CAN RIDE AN E-BIKE, WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR NO
VOTE ON THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON. THANK YOU.
MOVING ON TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY IN
OPPOSITION ME TO OR, LIMITED TO
NAME ORGANIZATION AND POSITION.
ARE THERE ANY. SEEING NONE
MOVING ON TO MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. IF THERE ARE ANY
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OVER.
THANK YOU. I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF
THERE WAS A RESPONSE TO THE
OPPOSITION'S CONCERN REGARDING
THE STUDY THAT THE BILL IS BASED
ON AND KIND OF SOME OF WHAT
YOU'RE SEEING IN THE DATA, I
DON'T KNOW, CMA OR WHO I YEAH,
I'M JUST CURIOUS. YEAH. NO, WE
CAN I CAN CERTAINLY TURN IT OVER
TO, TO CMA. WE WOULD DISPUTE THE
CHARACTERIZATION YOU JUST HEARD.
I THINK IT IN FACT, IS
DISPROPORTIONATELY YOUTH, WE
SUPPORT THE MEN OVERALL STUDY.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. I THINK
WHAT YOU'RE PERCEIVING NOW IS AS
FURTHER DATA COMES OUT, THERE'S
VIRTUALLY A GROUNDSWELL TOWARD
CONSIDERING THESE TYPE OF
SENSIBLE, REGULATIONS. IN FACT,
I'LL NOTE PROBABLY THE TWO
AMENDMENTS WE HAVE BEEN
REQUESTED TO MAKE ARE TO ADD
ADDITIONAL COMMUNITIES IN TO
THIS BILL. SO, I WAS SURPRISED
AT STREETS FOR ALL DID NOT
HIGHLIGHT THEIR OPPOSITION TO
HELMET USE AS WELL. I THINK WE
WOULD CERTAINLY DIFFER ON THAT
ASPECT OF THE BILL. WHILE NOTING
IT'S NOT A NEW REQUIREMENT. WE
MADE UP THAT'S CURRENTLY
REQUIRED FOR CLASS THREE
E-BIKES, WHICH ARE FASTER PEDAL
ASSIST. WE'RE AMENDING IN CLASS
TWO, WHICH WE FEEL AND AGAIN,
CMA CAN TALK AS WELL, ARE POSING
HEIGHTENED RISKS BECAUSE OF THE
THROTTLE ASSIST NATURE THAT WEAR
A HELMET. OKAY. AND JUST LAST
QUESTION. THE 40MPH, I THINK
SOMEONE MENTIONED IN THEIR
TESTIMONY, IS IT ILLEGAL TO
MODIFY THESE ALREADY UNDER THE
STATUTE? OKAY. TO BECAUSE THAT
IS OBVIOUSLY VERY CONCERNING. IT
IS AND I THINK THERE'S EVEN
ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION. IT IS
ILLEGAL AS WE SPEAK, THAT HAVING
BEEN SAID, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS
ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION
ADDRESSING THAT. WE'RE NOT
TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING
IN ONE BILL. AND AGAIN, THE
APPROACH WAS TO BE NARROW. NO,
AND BY NO MEANS AS EFFECTIVELY
AS BEEN SUGGESTED BY SOME TRYING
TO SOMEHOW BAN ALL YOUTH E-BIKE
RIDERS. YEAH, I'M JUST GOING TO
I'M GOING TO BE LAYING OFF
TODAY. I THINK I COMPLETELY
RESPECT WHAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING
TO DO. AND I THINK FINDING THE
RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN OBVIOUSLY
PROTECTING OUR KIDS AND KEEPING
EVERYONE SAFE VERSUS, YOU KNOW,
CONTINUING ACCESS, IT'S A TRICKY
BALANCE. SO I'M GOING TO KEEP AN
EYE ON THE BILL, AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT
FORWARD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NO OTHERS WE WILL MOVE.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM NOW, SO I'LL
ASK THE SECRETARY TO CALL THE
ROLL. WILSON HERE. WILSON HERE.
DAVIES. AGUIAR-CURRY BERMAN.
CARILLO. CARILLO HERE. HART.
HOOVER HOOVER HERE. JACKSON.
LOWENTHAL LOWENTHAL. HERE.
PAPIN. HAPPEN HERE. SANCHEZ
SANCHEZ. HERE. TING. TING HERE.
WALLACE. WARD. WARD. HERE WICKS.
ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER
COMMENTS. SO THANK YOU TO THE
AUTHOR, FOR WORKING WITH THE
COMMITTEE TO MAKE THE AMENDMENTS
TO THE BILL AND MAKE IT A
LOCALIZED PILOT AS WELL AS THE
AMENDMENT NOTED, AND WILLING TO
ADJUST AND STRIKE THE LANGUAGE
REGARDING THE CITATION AS IT
RELATES TO TRAINING VERSUS
PAYMENT, I APPRECIATE THE SAFETY
CONCERNS YOU'RE RAISING FOR
ELECTRIC BIKES AND CHILDREN
USING THEM. HOWEVER, I DO NOT
BELIEVE THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT
DATA TO WARRANT A STATEWIDE
APPROACH OF BANNING THEIR USE
FOR PEOPLE UNDER 16. I SHARE
YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THESE
ELECTRIC MOTORIZED VEHICLES
GOING 50MPH, BUT WANT TO MAKE IT
CLEAR THAT THE BILL AUTHORIZES
CITIES TO PROHIBIT THE USE OF
CLASS TWO E-BIKES, WHICH HAVE A
MAXIMUM SPEED OF 20MPH WITH A
THROTTLE. ANY DEVICE THAT IS
GOING FASTER THAN THAT IS
ALREADY ILLEGAL FOR SOMEONE
UNDER 16 TO USE. I WILL SUPPORT
YOUR BILL TODAY FOR THE PURPOSES
OF COLLECTING MORE DATA ON
WHETHER SUCH AN ORDINANCE CAN
BOTH ADDRESS THE SAFETY CONCERN
YOU RAISE, AND BE IMPLEMENTED IN
A MANNER THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN
DISCRIMINATORY STOPS. THAT'S WHY
I AM CONTINUING THE DIALOG ON
WHETHER DATA NEEDS TO REPORTED
ON STOPS, FOR 16 YEAR OLDS OR
WHERE THERE WAS A PERCEIVED,
NOTION THAT SOMEONE IS UNDER THE
AGE OF 16 WHEN THEY'RE, IN FACT,
OVER THE AGE OF 16, WE DO HAVE A
MOTION BEEN MADE BY LOWENTHAL
WITH A SECOND BY CARRILLO. I'LL
GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE
CALLING FOR THE VOTE TO CLOSE.
THANK YOU. AND RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN AYE VOTE AND LOOKING
FORWARD TO THE ONGOING DIALOG.
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WILSON I WILSON I DAVIS,
AGUIAR-CURRY BERMAN, CARILLO.
CARILLO. I HART. HOOVER. HOOVER
NOT VOTING JACKSON. LOWENTHAL
LOWENTHAL I HAPPEN HAPPEN I
SANCHEZ. SANCHEZ I TING TING I
WALLACE WARD WICKS. ALL RIGHTY.
WE'LL LEAVE THAT, OPEN FOR,
ADDITIONAL AUTHORS TO ADD ON AND
THEN NOTE NOTED AT THAT TIME.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE
TO, ITEMS ON CONSENT. WE HAVE
NINE BILLS ON CONSENT FILE ITEM
ONE THREE, THREE, FOUR, FIVE,
NINE, TEN, 11, 12 AND 15. THAT
IS AB 1774 DIXON AB 1980 GRAYSON
AB 2147. MATHIS AB 2261. GARCIA
AB 2536. HOOVER AB 30 102.
HOOVER AB 1937 BERMAN AB 2111
WALLACE AB 2879 VINCE FONG IS
THERE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT
FILE? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY
LOWENTHAL AND SECONDED BY TÍNH,
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WILSON AYE. WILSON. AYE. DAVIS.
AGUIAR-CURRY BERMAN. CARILLO.
CARILLO. AYE HART. HOOVER.
HOOVER. AYE. JACKSON LOWENTHAL.
LOWENTHAL. AYE. PAPPIN HAPPEN I
SANCHEZ. SANCHEZ. I TING. KING.
I WALLACE. WARD. WICKS ALL
RIGHT, WE'LL HOLD THAT ROLL OPEN
FOR MEMBERS TO ADD ON AND NOTE
THE VOTE COUNT AT THAT TIME. ALL
RIGHT. MOVING ON. WE HAVE ITEMS,
SIX AND SEVEN BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER
FRIEDMAN, AB 2290 AND AB 2869,
AT YOUR CONVENIENCE.
HELLO, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS,
I WANT TO THANK THE COMMITTEE
AND THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR THE
EXCELLENT AND THOROUGH ANALYSIS.
THIS TRAFFIC FATALITIES,
PARTICULARLY FOR OUR MOST
VULNERABLE ROAD USERS. BIKING
AND WALKING ARE SIGNIFICANTLY
INCREASING IN MANY STATE AND
LOCAL AGENCIES. ADOPTED VISION
ZERO PLANS, BUT EFFORTS HAVE
BEEN INSUFFICIENT TO CURB RISING
SAFETY CONCERNS AS MORE PEOPLE
HOPEFULLY ARE BIKING FOR
TRANSPORTATION. WE NEED TO
IMPLEMENT MORE PROTECTED
BIKEWAYS MORE QUICKLY. AB 2290
ENSURES THAT STATE AND LOCAL
AGENCIES ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
ROAD REPAVING PROJECTS TO BUILD
BIKEWAYS THAT ALREADY HAVE
COMMUNITY SUPPORT DEMONSTRATED
IN THEIR PLANNING DOCUMENTS.
WHEN USING STATE TRANSPORTATION
TRANSPORTATION FUNDS. IT'S JUST
FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO DO THAT.
FIRST, THE BILL ESTABLISHES A
QUICK BUILD PROJECTS PILOT
PROGRAM WITHIN THE CALTRANS
MAINTENANCE PROGRAM TO
DEMONSTRATE THAT ALL 12 CALTRANS
DISTRICTS CAN QUICKLY AND COST
EFFECTIVELY IMPLEMENT BIKEWAYS
AS PART OF ROUTINE REPAVING
PROJECTS. THESE PROJECTS ARE
DEFINED IN THE BILL AS AN
INTERIM CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE
PROJECT THAT REQUIRES MINOR
CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, BUT IS
BUILT WITH DURABLE, LOW TO
MODERATE COST MATERIALS AND
LASTS FROM 1 TO 5 YEARS.
EXAMPLES OF QUICK BUILD PROJECT
TYPES INCLUDE STREET FURNITURE
SIGNS, BARRIER ELEMENTS LIKE
RAISED LANE SEPARATORS, AND
SURFACE TREATMENTS LIKE STREET
BOND PAVING COATING. SECOND, THE
BILL REQUIRES THAT, WHEN
FEASIBLE, A BICYCLE FACILITY
IDENTIFIED FOR A STREET AND A
BICYCLE PLAN OR AN ACTIVE
TRANSPORTATION PLAN BE INCLUDED
IN A PROJECT FUNDED BY THE ROAD
MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION
PROGRAM. FINALLY, IT HOLDS THAT
SHARED LANE MARKINGS, OR
SHARROWS, BE LIMITED TO USE ON
STREETS WITH POSTED SPEED LIMITS
OF 20 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS, OR
TO PROJECTS THAT WILL REDUCE THE
DESIGN SPEEDS TO 20 MILES AN
HOUR. FOR ALL PROJECTS FUNDED BY
THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION
PROGRAM. THESE BIKEWAYS DO NOT
PROVIDE A DEDICATED LANE FOR
BIKE BICYCLING AND AS A RESULT,
DO NOT NECESSARILY PROVIDE
ADEQUATE SAFETY MEASURES FOR
CYCLISTS EXCEPT ON LOW SPEED,
LOW VOLUME STREETS. TESTIFYING
ON BEHALF OF OUR SPONSOR, CAL
BIKE IS JEANNIE WARD. WALLER. AB
2290 IMPROVES THE SAFETY AND
QUALITY OF BIKEWAYS IN
CALIFORNIA AND MAKES GOOD FISCAL
SENSE. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN
AYE VOTE. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR
WILSON AND MEMBERS. I'M JEANNIE
WARD WALLER ON BEHALF OF CAL
BIKE, THE BILL SPONSOR. WE
REALLY APPRECIATE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER FRIEDMAN FOR CHAMPIONING
BETTER AND QUICKER BIKEWAYS BY
AUTHORING AB 2290. CALIFORNIA
STATE AND LOCAL AGENCIES HAVE
MADE GREAT STRIDES IN PLANNING
FOR BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN
FACILITIES SINCE THE COMPLETE
STREETS ACT WAS PASSED IN 2008,
AND CALTRANS ADOPTION OF ITS
FIRST COMPLETE STREETS POLICY.
HOWEVER, IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE
PROJECTS HAS BEEN TOO SLOW, AND
TRAFFIC FATALITIES FOR PEOPLE
WALKING AND BICYCLING CONTINUE
TO RISE AT AN ALARMING RATE.
OVER 1300 PEOPLE DIED WALKING
AND BICYCLING ON CALIFORNIA
ROADWAYS IN 2021, ACCORDING TO
CALTRANS HIGHWAY SAFETY
IMPROVEMENT PLAN. NEARLY 50%
MORE THAN IN 2013, THE HIGHEST
RISK OF TRAFFIC VIOLENCE ARE TO
VULNERABLE ROAD USERS, OFTEN
OLDER ADULTS AND THOSE THAT LACK
ACCESS TO VEHICLES AND THEY ARE
IN LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR. AS WE INCREASINGLY FOCUS
ON UPLIFTING MOBILITY, JUSTICE
AND ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE
THROUGH OUR TRANSPORTATION
INVESTMENTS. BY PROVIDING
ALTERNATIVES TO DRIVING, WE NEED
TO EXPEDITE IMPLEMENTATION OF
SAFE BIKEWAYS ON OUR STREETS. AB
2290 ADDRESSES THIS GOAL IN
THREE KEY WAYS. AS ASSEMBLY
MEMBER FRIEDMAN STATED, AND WILL
ADVANCE QUICKER AND BETTER
BIKEWAYS ON BOTH STATE AND LOCAL
ROADWAYS. WE RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT OF AB 2290.
THANK YOU. NOW MOVING ON TO
THOSE IN THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY
WHO ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL.
THIS IS THE ME TWO TIME THOSE
WITH NAME OPPOSITION, SORRY
NAME, ORGANIZATION AND POSITION.
GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MADAM
CHAIR. KEITH DUNN HERE ON BEHALF
OF THE STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL, THE
DISTRICT COUNCIL OF IRONWORKERS,
AS WELL AS ALL 25 COUNTIES,
SELF-HELP COUNTIES THAT ARE
FUNDING PARTNERS WITH THE STATE.
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE
APPRECIATE THE INSERTION OF
FEASIBILITY K¾T. THAT'S A
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT COMPONENT
OF THIS LEGISLATION. WE SUPPORT
ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.
BIKING IS ONE OF THEM. THERE ARE
MANY OTHERS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD
TO WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE FUNDING ALL MODES OF
TRANSPORTATION NEEDS TO BE EVERY
OPTION CONSIDERED, AND WE'RE
HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS AUTHOR ON
THIS BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
WE'LL COUNT YOU AS THE SECOND
WITNESS, WITH TWO MINUTES,
EVERYONE ELSE MUST BE A ME TWO
NAME ORGANIZATION AND POSITION.
NATALIE BROWN WITH THE PLANNING
AND CONSERVATION LEAGUE IN
SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU.
KIRSTEN FROM STREETS FOR ALL IN
SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT. NOW MOVING
ON. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY
OPPOSITION LISTED ON FILE, BUT
GIVEN OPPORTUNITY, IF THERE'S
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO
ARE IN OPPOSITION NOW WOULD BE
AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO COME
FORWARD. SEEING NONE. MOVING ON
TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. ALL
RIGHT, THANK YOU TO THE AUTHOR.
I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH
THE STAKEHOLDERS TO MAKE
AMENDMENTS THAT ALLOW
FLEXIBILITY FOR LOCALS WHEN
INCORPORATING BICYCLE OR
PEDESTRIAN ELEMENTS INTO A
MAINTENANCE PROJECT, WITH
TRAFFIC FATALITIES ON THE RISE
AND CALTRANS ALREADY COMMITTING
TO COMPLETE STREETS AND QUICK
BUILD PROJECTS, THIS BILL WORKS
TO CODIFY EXISTING PRACTICE.
TODAY, I WILL, EXISTING PRACTICE
. I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS BILL
TODAY. WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY
CARRILLO, A SECOND BY PAPIN.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO
CLOSE BEFORE THE SECRETARY CALLS
THE ROLL, I JUST HOPE THAT YOU
CAN VOTE. AYE. THANK YOU. I
THOUGHT YOU GUYS TIED AND I GAVE
IT TO PAPIN. YES SO I DID. I DID
RECORD IT AS PAPIN. OKAY. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU TO THE AUTHOR,
WITH THAT SECRETARY, THE MOTION
IS DUE. PASS TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. WILSON. WILSON.
AYE. DAVIS AGUIAR-CURRY
BEHRMANN. CARILLO. CARILLO I
HART. HOOVER. HOOVER NO.
JACKSON. LOWENTHAL. LOWENTHAL I.
PAPIN. PAPIN I. SANCHEZ SANCHEZ.
NO. SING. SING I WALLACE. WARD.
WICKS. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL HOLD THE
ROLL OPEN FOR MEMBERS TO ADD ON,
AND WE'LL NOTE THE VOTE COUNT AT
THAT TIME, AT YOUR CONVENIENCE
FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. YES, I AM
PROUD TO PRESENT AB 2869. THIS
IS AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMITTEE AND THE COMMITTEE
STAFF FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS
BILL. ACROSS CALIFORNIA, HIGHWAY
PROJECTS HAVE UNFORTUNATELY, AT
TIMES DEPRIVED COMMUNITIES OF
SAFE ACCESS TO TRAILS, PARKS AND
RECREATIONAL AREAS, PARTICULARLY
IN UNDERSERVED AREAS. THE
EXISTING LAW AUTHORIZES THE
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
WITH FULL POSSESSION AND CONTROL
OF THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM, TO
DO ANY ACT NECESSARY,
CONVENIENT, OR PROPER FOR THE
CONSTRUCTION, IMPROVEMENT,
MAINTENANCE, OR USE OF ALL
HIGHWAYS. MANY COMMUNITIES
ACROSS THE STATE HAVE HAD ACCESS
TO PARKS AND RECREATIONAL SPACE
LIMITED DUE TO CALTRANS HIGHWAY
SYSTEMS AND INFRASTRUCTURE
PROJECTS WITHOUT SAFE ACCESS OR
SAFE ALTERNATE ROUTES, TRAIL
ACCESS CAN BE COMPLETELY CUT
OFF, LEADING PEOPLE TO TAKE
UNSAFE ROUTES THAT CAN
ULTIMATELY LEAD TO INJURY AND
DEATH. IN MY ASSEMBLY DISTRICT,
WE HAVE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF
THE DISTRICT, A LARGE EQUESTRIAN
COMMUNITY THAT'S DIRECTLY
ADJACENT TO THE ANGELES NATIONAL
FOREST AND TO AN AREA CALLED THE
HANSEN DAM RECREATIONAL CENTER,
WHICH HAS A NETWORK OF
EQUESTRIAN TRAILS BETWEEN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE THE HORSE
KEEPING NEIGHBORHOODS AND
BOARDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S
A HIGHWAY, THE 210 FREEWAY, AND
THE ACCESS POINTS FOR PEOPLE WHO
ARE RIDING THEIR HORSES INTO THE
TRAILS THAT ARE LITERALLY
DESIGNED FOR THEIR RECREATIONAL
USE MEANS GOING UNDERNEATH
HIGHWAYS, PASSING ON AN OFF
RAMPS. THERE'S NO REAL THOUGHT
TO CREATING SAFE PASSAGE FOR
THESE PEOPLE. OFTEN, CALTRANS
WILL COME IN AND BULLDOZE AREAS
THAT THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN USING
FOR TRAIL ACCESS INTO THESE
AREAS, LEADING THEM TO HAVE TO
TAKE LONG ROUTES DOWN STREETS
THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY FAST.
THE MAIN ROAD IN MY DISTRICT IS
A ROAD CALLED FOOTHILL BOULEVARD
THAT USED TO BE A STATE HIGHWAY.
THE SPEED LIMIT, I BELIEVE IS 55
MILES AN HOUR. I BELIEVE IT WAS
TWO YEARS AGO. TWO EQUESTRIANS
WERE KILLED WHEN A CAR GOING
OVER 55 MILES AN HOUR RAN INTO
THEIR HORSES BECAUSE THEY HAD TO
RIDE IN THE STREET TO TRY TO
ACCESS THE TRAILS THAT ARE MEANT
FOR THEM. WHEN YOU PASS
UNDERNEATH THE OVERPASSES TO GET
INTO THIS TRAIL SYSTEM AND THE
PLACE THAT CALTRANS SAYS, THIS
IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO, YOU
HAVE TO PASS PEOPLE GETTING OFF
THE HIGHWAY WHO MAY OR MAY NOT
KNOW THAT THERE'S HORSES
PRESENT. THERE'S NO SIGNAGE TO
INDICATE THAT. AND THERE'S OFTEN
MATTRESSES AND FURNITURE THAT
WAS DUMPED FROM PEOPLE LITTERING
THIS HORSE TRAIL. NO ONE SEEMS
TO KNOW WHO'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE
CARE OF IT. I WROTE THIS BILL TO
SAY, LOOK, LET'S ASSIGN THE CARE
OF THESE ACCESS POINTS TO THE
PEOPLE WHO OPERATE THE HIGHWAY,
BECAUSE THE CITIES HAVE BEEN
SAYING, THAT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY.
WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF
THAT. AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
PAYING ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE
TRYING TO RIDE BIKES OR WALK OR
IN THE MOST VULNERABLE CASES,
RIDE A THOUSAND POUND ANIMAL
WITH A BRAIN THE SIZE OF A
WALNUT PAST ALL THIS STUFF, AND
WE HAVE SEEN DEADLY RESULTS.
THIS IS JUST GOOD COMMON SENSE.
CALTRANS BUILT THIS HIGHWAY
THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY. THEY
SHOULD HELP GET PEOPLE SAFELY
INTO THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT IS
PUBLIC LAND FOR THEIR USE. THIS
IS A DISTRICT BILL, BUT IT'S
GOING TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE
ACROSS THE STATE. I WROTE THIS
BILL AFTER TRYING TO DEAL
UNSUCCESSFULLY WITH THIS PROBLEM
IN THIS IN MY DISTRICT, FOR A
NUMBER OF YEARS, WITH NO AGENCY
WILLING TO TAKE ANY
RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING
THESE ACCESS POINTS AND THE
PUBLIC PAYING THE PRICE BECAUSE
OF IT. SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET
PEOPLE INTO DESIGNATED TRAILS
AND RECREATION AREA, WHETHER
IT'S NATIONAL PARK OR A FOREST,
AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN SEE
YOUR WAY THROUGH, YOU KNOW, TOO
MANY TWO DEATHS IS WAY TOO MANY.
AND I MYSELF, AS SOMEONE WHO
RIDES HORSES THROUGH THIS AREA
AND HAS A HORSE UP THERE, IT IS
SCARY. YOU KNOW, I HAD MY
FRIENDS UP THERE, ONE OF THE
BOARDING STABLES REACH OUT AND
TAKE ME ON A RIDE TO SHOW ME HOW
FAR OUT OF THE WAY DOWN THIS 55
MILE AN HOUR ROAD. CALTRANS
FORCED THEM TO RIDE BECAUSE THEY
BULLDOZED THE TRAIL THAT THEY
HAD MADE TO TRY TO GET INTO THE
PARK. THEY HAVE TO RIDE A HALF
AN HOUR, CROSS A REALLY SCARY
ROAD, AND THEN GO BACK UNDER THE
HIGHWAY. SO ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
LET'S, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON PEOPLE
AND SAFETY. THIS IS REALLY
SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER. THESE
ARE DESIGNATED RECREATION AREAS
FOR THE PUBLIC. LET'S GET THEM
INTO IT SAFELY, WITH THAT I
WOULD REQUEST AN AYE VOTE. THANK
YOU. SO I SEE NO WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT. RIGHT. NO PRIMARY
WITNESSES. SUPPORT. IS THERE
PRIMARY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. NOW IS
THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR PRIMARY
WITNESSES AND SUPPORT. THANK
YOU, MADAM CHAIR. KEITH DUNN, ON
BEHALF OF THE STATE BUILDING
CONSTRUCTION TRADES, THE
DISTRICT COUNCIL OF IRONWORKERS
AND SELF-HELP COUNTY'S COALITION
, I JUST WANT TO SAY I AGREE
WITH THE AUTHOR. THIS SEEMS LIKE
A NO BRAINER. OUR MEMBERS NOT
ONLY BUILD THE FREEWAY, BUT ALSO
HAVE TO CLEAN UP THE ACCIDENTS
THAT TAKE PLACE AFTERWARDS. WE
ALSO ARE INCLUDING MYSELF,
OUTDOORSMEN, AND WOMEN WHO
ACCESS THESE TRAILS AND ENJOY
THE NATURE FOUND IN CALIFORNIA.
SO AGAIN, SEEMS LIKE A NO
BRAINER. WE'D ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT,
MOVING ON TO METOOS, NAME,
ORGANIZATION AND POSITION. HI
THERE, JARED SANCHEZ WITH CAL
BIKE AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU,
THANK YOU. I'M SEEING NO MORE
MOVING ON TO ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE
IN OPPOSITION. WE HAVE NONE
LISTED ON FILE, BUT NOW WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE TIME TO COME
FORWARD. THERE ARE, SEEING NONE
MOVING TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT. NO
MORE COMMENTS, THEN. ALL RIGHT.
I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH
THIS COMMITTEE TO MAKE AMENDS,
TO DEFINE WHAT TYPE OF TRAIL
THIS APPLIES TO. THIS BILL ADDS
EXTRA ASSURANCE THAT CALTRANS
ADEQUATELY MITIGATES TRAIL
ACCESS WHEN PERFORMING WORK ON
THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. LIKE
YOU SAID, IT'S A DISTRICT BILL
THAT HAS STATEWIDE BENEFITS.
WITH THAT, I'LL BE SUPPORTING
THE BILL TODAY. WE HAVE A MOTION
MADE BY PAPIN WITH THE SECOND BY
TÍNH. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
PRIOR TO SECRETARY CALLING THE
ROLL, YOU CAN SEE I'M PASSIONATE
ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS
JUST ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND
HAVING CALTRANS JUST TAKE CARE
OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE CROSSING
THEIR PROPERTY. I WOULD REQUEST
AN AYE VOTE. THANK YOU. ALL
RIGHT. SECRETARY THE MOTION IS
DUE. PASS TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. WILSON AYE.
WILSON. AYE. DAVIS. AGUIAR-CURRY
BERMAN. CARILLO. CARILLO. AYE
HART. HART. AYE. HOOVER. HOOVER
NOT VOTING. JACKSON. LOWENTHAL
LOWENTHAL. AYE. PAPIN. HAPPEN.
AYE. SANCHEZ SANCHEZ. NOT
VOTING. KING SINGH. AYE.
WALLACE. WALLACE. NOT VOTING.
WARD. WICKS THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HOLD THAT ROLE
OPEN FOR MEMBERS TO ADD ON AND
NOTE THE VOTE COUNT AT THE TIME.
AT THAT TIME, WITH THAT, WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER
EIGHT. AB 2525 ZUBIATE AT YOUR
CONVENIENCE, SIR
.
GOOD. ADAM, GOOD AFTERNOON,
MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS, I'M
PROUD TO PRESENT AB 2525
ALONGSIDE OUR SPONSOR, LOS
ANGELES MAYOR KAREN BASS. THIS
BILL WILL HELP THE CITY OF LOS
ANGELES AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL
AGENCIES WITHIN THE CITY OF LOS
ANGELES IMPLEMENT HOUSING
STRATEGIES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, WHO
ARE RESIDING IN RECREATIONAL
VEHICLES. IT WILL DO THIS BY
STREAMLINING THE CITY'S ABILITY
TO LEASE PROPERTY FROM THE
CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION. CALTRANS AT A
REDUCED RATE FOR STORE TO STORE
RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, WHILE THE
FORMER INHABITANTS OF THOSE
VEHICLES RECEIVE SERVICES TO
TRANSITION INTO TEMPORARY AND
PERMANENT HOUSING. OUR DATA
SHOWS THAT NEARLY 6500 PEOPLE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN THE
CITY OF LOS ANGELES ARE LIVING
IN ABOUT 4000 RVS THAT NUMBER,
WHICH HAS GROWN BY 40% SINCE
2018, REPRESENTS 22. AND I WANT
TO SAY THAT AGAIN, 22% OF THE
CITY'S TOTAL UNSHELTERED
HOMELESS POPULATION, UNHOUSED
POPULATION, SHORTLY AFTER
ASSUMING OFFICE, MAYOR BASS
LAUNCHED HER SIGNATURE PROGRAM
CALLED INSIDE SAFE, TAKING
IMMEDIATE CITYWIDE ACTION TO
VOLUNTARILY BRING PEOPLE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS INSIDE
FROM TENTS AND OTHER
ENCAMPMENTS. TO DATE, THE
PROGRAM HAS ADDRESSED MORE THAN
39 ENCAMPMENTS AND HAS BROUGHT
MORE THAN 2100 ANGELENOS INSIDE,
WHERE THEY BENEFIT FROM CASE
MANAGEMENT. GETTING GETTING
CONNECTED WITH SUPPORTIVE
SERVICES AND RECEIVING HOUSING
NAVIGATION SERVICES IS JUST ONE
EXAMPLE. IN DECEMBER 2023, A
SUCCESSFUL INSIDE SAFE OPERATION
IN THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY
FOCUSED ON A MASSIVE ENCAMPMENT
OF MORE THAN 50 RVS ON FOREST
LAWN DRIVE, ROUGHLY 31 PEOPLE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS,
ACCEPTED HOUSING AND TURNED 20
RVS OVER TO THE CITY THROUGH
INSIDE SAFE. IN ORDER TO
CONTINUE THE SUCCESS OF THE
PROGRAM, THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES
IS IN DIRE NEED OF ADDITIONAL
LOCATIONS TO STORE THE
RECREATION VEHICLES THAT ARE
SURRENDERED OFF THE STREETS. AS
ANGELES. AS ANGELENOS ARE MOVED
INTO INTERIM HOUSING THROUGH
THIS PROGRAM, AB 2525 WILL HELP
STREAMLINE THE PROVISION OF
HOMELESSNESS RELIEF SERVICES AND
PROMOTE LONG TERME HOUSING
STABILITY AND SAFETY FOR PEOPLE
CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS. I ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME AND
WITH ME TODAY IS FREDDY
QUINTANA, SENIOR DIRECTOR OF
STATE AFFAIRS REPRESENTING LOS
ANGELES MAYOR KAREN BASS, THANK
YOU, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. MY NAME IS FREDDY
QUINTANA, SENIOR DIRECTOR OF
STATE AFFAIRS FOR LOS ANGELES
MAYOR KAREN BASS HERE IN
SPONSORSHIP OF AB 2525 BY MR.
ZUBIATE, AS HE ALREADY MADE
COMMENT, THE MAYOR CAME INTO
OFFICE, CREATED HER INSIDE SAFE
PROGRAM IN DECEMBER 2022, WE'VE
HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS BEHIND THAT
PROGRAM. BUT AS WE RECENTLY
FOUND, WHEN WE DID THE FOREST
LAWN OPERATION IN THE SAN
FERNANDO VALLEY, THAT, WE NEED A
LITTLE BIT MORE ASSISTANCE. WE
NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE STORAGE
CAPACITY WHEN IT COMES TO
STORING OUR RVS, RIGHT NOW, WE
HAVE SLIGHTLY OVER 300 SPACES
AVAILABLE, AND WE'RE OVER 95,
FILLED ON THOSE RV STORAGE
SPACES WITHIN OUR CITY'S
CAPACITY. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR,
TO EXPAND ON PREVIOUS
LEGISLATION, TO EXPAND THE USE
OF WHAT? WE CAN GO INTO AN
AGREEMENT WITH, WITH CALTRANS
FOR, FOR LEASING, PROPERTIES
THAT CALTRANS OWNS, IN OUR
JURISDICTION FOR $1 PER MONTH,
WE THINK WITH THIS, WE CAN
CONTINUE TO DO THE GOOD WORK
THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE
DECEMBER 2022 AND BEFORE THAT,
AND FORWARD WHEN IT COMES TO,
GETTING PEOPLE, GETTING THE
UNHOUSED POPULATIONS OFF THE
STREETS OF LOS ANGELES, WITH
THAT, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE
ANY, PUBLIC TESTIMONY PROVIDING
ME TWO COMMENTS, NAME
ORGANIZATION AND POSITION.
SEEING NONE, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY
OPPOSITION ON FILE, BUT JUST TO
CONFIRM, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC, THAT ARE IN
OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL, SEEING
NONE MOVING TO MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE FOR COMMENTS,
QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? THANK
YOU. SO I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING
WITH THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE
AMENDMENTS THAT CLARIFY THAT
VEHICLES STORED AS A PART OF THE
SECURE VEHICLE LOT PROGRAM ARE
UNINHABITED AND DO NOT CONTAIN
HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, EXCEPT FOR
THOSE COMMONLY FOUND IN VEHICLES
. MOVING FORWARD, I ENCOURAGE
THE AUTHOR TO CLARIFY THAT THE
SECURE LOT PROGRAM SHOULD COMPLY
WITH NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION
ASSOCIATION'S PRESCRIPTIVE
GUIDANCE FOR MANAGING STORAGE
UNDER ROADWAYS. THIS BILL HELPS
TO BOLSTER AN EXISTING
SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM FOR HOMELESS
PERSONS IN LOS ANGELES. WE
COMMEND, MADAM MAYOR FOR DOING
THE WORK THAT SHE'S DOING, I
WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS TODAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY TÍNH
AND SECOND BY LOWENTHAL AS THE
AUTHOR TO CLOSE, BEFORE WE HAVE
THE SECRETARY CALL THE ROLL, THE
ONLY THING I'LL SAY IN CLOSING
IS THIS IS A VERY SUCCESSFUL
PROGRAM IN WHICH THE CITY REALLY
DOES NEED PLACES TO STORE THESE
VEHICLES, AND IT AND IT IT
ALLOWS THE CITY TO REACH A VERY
LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE UNHOUSED
POPULATION OF THE CITY OF LOS
ANGELES. SO WITH THAT, I ASK FOR
YOUR. AYE VOTE. THANK YOU, MADAM
SECRETARY. THE MOTION IS Dð PASS
TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. WILSON I WILSON
I DAVIS, AGUIAR-CURRY
AGUIAR-CURRY I. BERMAN, CARILLO
CARILLO I HEART, HEART I HOOVER.
HOOVER. NO. JACKSON. LOWENTHAL.
LOWENTHAL I PAPIN. PAPIN I
SANCHEZ. SANCHEZ. NO. KING SINGH
I WALLACE. WALLACE. NO. WARD
WARD I. WICKS ALL RIGHT. WE'LL
LEAVE THAT, ROLE OPEN FOR
MEMBERS TO ADD ON, AND WE'LL DO
A VOTE CALL. A VOTE TALLY, AT
THAT TIME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON
TO ITEM NUMBER 13, AB 2678.
WALLACE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I HAVE BEFORE
YOU TODAY ASSEMBLY BILL 2678,
WHICH EXTENDS CALIFORNIA'S
CURRENT PROGRAM ALLOWING HIGH
OCCUPANCY VEHICLE LANE ACCESS
FOR ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES FOR
15 MONTHS THROUGH THE END OF
2026. THIS EXTENSION IS
CONTINGENT ON A FEDERAL
REAUTHORIZATION OF THE PROGRAM,
WHICH IS SET TO EXPIRE IN
SEPTEMBER OF 2025. I'D LIKE TO
THANK THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
THEIR WORK ON THE ANALYSIS, AND
I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE CHAIR
FOR PERSONALLY ENGAGING WITH ME
ON THIS BILL, ALLOWING ZEVS AND
HOV LANES HAS PROVEN TO BE AN
INCENTIVE FOR CALIFORNIANS TO
MAKE THE TRANSITION TO ZEVS.
WHILE CALIFORNIA LEADS THE
COUNTRY IN ZEV ADOPTION, RECENT
REPORTS HAVE INDICATED A SLOWER
GROWTH RATE FOR SALES, MAKING IT
PRUDENT TO LEAVE THE PROGRAM IN
PLACE FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR FOR
CONTINUED EVALUATION AND TO
AVOID A MAJOR DISRUPTION OF
ADOPTION RATES. THIS BILL LEAVES
IN PLACE PROGRAM GUARDRAILS TO
MAKE SURE THAT ZEVS DO NOT
DEGRADE HOV LANES BY
CONTRIBUTING TO THEIR CONGESTION
. THIS EXTENSION WILL GIVE US
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BALANCE EV
ADOPTION WITH LANE DEGRADATION.
IF ACCESS TO HOV LANES IS ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT INCENTIVES
FOR ZEV ADOPTION, WE SHOULDN'T
RISK AN ABRUPT END TO THIS
PROGRAM I HAVE WITH ME TODAY
REPRESENTING THE SPONSOR OF THE
BILL, THE ALLIANCE FOR
AUTOMOTIVE INNOVATION, JOHN
MOFFAT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM
CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE,
JOHN MOFFAT, ON BEHALF OF THE
ALLIANCE FOR AUTOMOTIVE
INNOVATION, WE'RE THE SPONSORS
OF THIS BILL. WE WERE THE
SPONSORS OF THE ORIGINAL BILL
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE HAVE
ADVOCATED FOR THIS AS AN
INCENTIVE, A WORTHWHILE
INCENTIVE. WE BELIEVE IT
CONTINUES TO BE. SO, AS THE AS
THE AUTHOR NOTED, AND AS THE
COMMITTEE KNOWS, ZEV SALES
CONTINUE TO INCREASE, GENERALLY
SPEAKING, HERE IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA, WHICH IS A GOOD
THING. BUT I JUST WANT TO REMIND
THE COMMITTEE THAT THERE'S A
LITTLE OVER 28 MILLION
REGISTERED LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, ONLY
A LITTLE OVER A MILLION OF THOSE
ARE ZEVS. SO WE'VE GOT A LONG
WAY TO GO IN IN GETTING ZEV
ADOPTION UP THERE, AND
UBIQUITOUS ON OUR ROADS IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. WE
APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF
THIS BILL, THERE ARE EFFORTS AT
THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO EXTEND THAT
SEPTEMBER 2025 DEADLINE THAT
THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MANDATED BY
THE FEDS. AND IF THAT'S
SUCCESSFUL, MAKING THE CHANGES
ALLOWED IN THIS BILL WILL ALLOW
THE THIS PROGRAM TO CONTINUE
UNABATED AND THEN COME BACK TO
THE COMMITTEE, TO THE
LEGISLATURE AND REVISIT THE
POLICY MOVING FORWARD. BEYOND
THAT, WE AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE
THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE AND
THE CHAIR AND ASK FOR AN AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO
PUBLIC TESTIMONY, THESE ARE ME
TWO'S NAME ORGANIZATION AND
POSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON,
MELISSA WERNER, ON BEHALF OF
HONDA IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. HI
THERE, MEGAN MEKELBURG HERE ON
BEHALF OF CALSTART IN SUPPORT.
HELLO. AUDRA HARTMAN, ON BEHALF
OF THE CALIFORNIA ELECTRIC
TRANSPORTATION COALITION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. SAYING WE DO
NOT HAVE ANY OPPOSITION ON FILE,
BUT JUST GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY
FOR ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION NOW WOULD
BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO SPEAK,
SEEING THERE ARE NONE MOVING TO
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. OH,
I'M SORRY, JUST REAL QUICK. JUST
WANT TO SAY THANKS FOR BRINGING
THIS BILL FORWARD. I THINK IT'S
A GREAT BILL. IF THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT DOES CHOOSE TO EXTEND
THIS, WHICH I HOPE THAT THEY DO.
I THINK ANOTHER FOLLOW UP
LEGISLATION MAY BE REDUCING THE
COMPLEXITY OF ACTUALLY APPLYING
AND GETTING THESE THIS DONE,
WHEN YOU PURCHASE A VEHICLE. I
WOULD LOVE TO HELP ON THAT IF
POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE
COMMITTEE TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO
THIS BILL TO SET A SUNSET DATE,
FEDERAL LAW, EXISTING LAW, AND
THIS BILL SUNSET THE HOV STICKER
PROGRAM ON SEPTEMBER 30TH OF
2025. HOWEVER, IF THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT DOES EXTEND THE
PROGRAM BEYOND THAT DATE, THIS
BILL GIVES THE LEGISLATURE TIME
IN 2026 TO REEVALUATE THE
PROGRAM, DISCUSS IT, AND MAYBE
MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER. LIKE MY
COLLEAGUE OVER HERE SAID, THE
ZEV MARKET HAS GROWN
SUBSTANTIALLY IN RECENT YEARS
AND AT SOME POINT ALLOWING TOO
MANY SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLES
INTO THE HOV LANE WILL DEFEAT
THE PURPOSE OF HOV LANES. TODAY,
THERE ARE OVER 300 AND 330,000
CARS WITH ACTIVE HOV STICKERS.
THAT IS DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF HOV
STICKERS AT THE END OF 2021.
CALIFORNIA IS FAR AHEAD OF THE
NATIONAL ZEV ADOPTION AND MAY
NEED TO MODIFY ITS PROGRAM
SHOULD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
EXTEND THE ALLOWANCES FOR STATES
TO AUTHORIZE ZEVS AND HOV LANES.
I AM SUPPORTING YOUR BILL TODAY
AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
ULTIMATELY DECIDES ON THIS
PROGRAM. WE HAVE A MOTION BY
CARRILLO, WITH THE SECOND BY
WALLACE, NO, SORRY. HEART. WANT
A SECOND BY HEART. WITH THAT,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE BEFORE
THE SECRETARY CALLS THE ROLL?
JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AND I
VOTE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT,
MADAM SECRETARY, THE MOTION IS
Dð PASS TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. WILSON I.
WILSON, I DAVIES. DAVIES. I
AGUIAR-CURRY AGUIAR-CURRY I
BERMAN. CARILLO CARILLO I HART.
HEART I HOOVER HOOVER I JACKSON.
JACKSON I LOWENTHAL. LOWENTHAL I
PAPPIN HAPPEN I SANCHEZ SANCHEZ
I TING SINGH I WALLACE I WALLACE
I WARD WARD I WICKS. ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL HOLD THAT ROLE OPEN FOR
MEMBERS TO ADD ON. AND AT THAT
TIME, WE'LL GIVE A VOTE TALLY,
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14 AB2
2669 TÍNH. AT YOUR CONVENIENCE.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, HAPPY TO
PRESENT AB2669, WHICH WOULD MAKE
SURE THAT WE PROTECT SIDEWAY,
SIDEWAY SIDEWALK ACCESS ON ALL
ALL EIGHT TOLL BRIDGES IN OUR
ENTIRE STATE, WHETHER IT'S FOR
PEDESTRIANS OR FOR BICYCLISTS,
THIS EXTENDS OR REMOVES THE
SUNSET FROM A PREVIOUS BILL THAT
BECAME LAW, AND PERMANENTLY,
MAKES SURE THAT, BIKERS AND
PEDESTRIANS CAN ACCESS OUR
BRIDGES, FOR FREE FOREVER. I'M
HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS, WHICH HAVE ONE
CAVEAT THAT FOR BRIDGES THAT ARE
BUILT AFTER JANUARY 1ST, 2025,
THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO
CONSIDER A SIDEWALK TOLL, AT A
TIME WHEN WE'RE FIGHTING CLIMATE
CHANGE, IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL
THAT WE HAVE EVERY SINGLE
INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AND
BIKE MORE. I'M PROUD TO HAVE
JARED SANCHEZ WITH CAL BIKE TO
BE MY PRIMARY WITNESS. THANK YOU
AGAIN. OKAY. HI, JARED SANCHEZ
HERE, POLICY DIRECTOR FOR CAL
BIKE. WE'RE A CO-SPONSOR FOR AB
2669 BECAUSE IT'S A COMMON SENSE
BILL THAT WILL PROMOTE NON VÆ
NON-VEHICULAR FORMS OF
TRANSPORTATION ACROSS ALL
BRIDGES THAT IMPROVE AIR
QUALITY, COMBAT, CLIMATE CHANGE,
AND ENSURE EQUITABLE ACCESS.
CHOOSING NOT TO IMPOSE A TOLL
HAS KEPT STATE BRIDGES OPEN AND
ACCESSIBLE TO ALL INDIVIDUALS.
WHILE EXEMPLIFYING CALIFORNIA'S
COMMITMENT TO CUTTING CARBON
EMISSIONS AND FOSTERING
SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION
ALTERNATIVES. FREE PUBLIC ACCESS
TO BRIDGES ACROSS THE STATE HAS
ALSO BOLSTERED DECADES OF WORK
TO PROMOTE PUBLIC RECREATION BY
LINKING TOGETHER A NETWORK OF
PARKS, PATHS AND TRAILS. WE MUST
DO ALL WE CAN TO REPLACE CAR
TRIPS WITH ACTIVE FORMS OF
MOBILITY, INCREASING VEHICLE
MILES TRAVELED AND
INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHPUT
IMPROVEMENTS EXCLUSIVELY FOR
CARS AND FREIGHT CONTINUE TO
IMPEDE CALIFORNIA'S EFFORTS TO
CURB VEHICLE EMISSIONS AND
POLLUTION, AND TO ACHIEVE
CLIMATE CHANGE AND ENVIRONMENTAL
GOALS. WE REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT
FOR AB 2669 TO INCENTIVIZE
ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ACROSS OUR
STATE'S BRIDGES AND ENCOURAGE
MODE SHIFT. WE DESPERATELY NEED
TO SLOW OUR TRANSPORTATION
SECTOR DRIVEN CLIMATE CRISIS.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MOVING ON
TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ME TWOS,
NAME POSITION AND ORGANIZATION.
ARE THERE ANY SEEING? NONE. WE
DO NOT HAVE ANY OPPOSITION ON
FILE. BUT I'M GIVING OPEN TO ANY
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. EXCUSE ME.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, NOW
WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO
SPEAK. SEEING NONE, MOVING TO
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR ANY
PUBLIC. I MEAN, FOR ANY COMMENTS
OR CONCERNS. SECOND. ALL RIGHT,
I'LL GIVE IT. I'LL GIVE IT TO
HEART. SINCE I MESSED UP HIS
NAME LAST TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT, ON
EXISTING BRIDGES WITH TOLL
PEDESTRIANS, CYCLISTS AND USERS
OF MICROMOBILITY DEVICES CAN
CROSS FOR FREE. I APPRECIATE YOU
WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE.
EXCUSE ME? TO ACCEPT AMENDMENTS
THAT ALLOW THE STATE AND LOCALS
TO RETAIN THE AUTHORITY TO SET
TOLLS FOR PEDESTRIANS, CYCLISTS
AND MICROMOBILITY DEVICES TO
CROSS NEWLY CONSTRUCTED BRIDGES.
THESE TOLLS COULD BE USED TO
FUND THE COST OF BUILDING
BRIDGES, WHICH IS EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT. I'LL BE SUPPORTING
YOUR BILL TODAY. THERE'S BEEN A
MOTION MADE BY LOWENTHAL AND A
SECOND BY HART, I'D GIVE YOU AN
OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE BEFORE THE
SECRETARY CALLS THE ROLL. NO,
THANKS FOR THE AMENDMENTS. AND
APPRECIATE THAT YOU AND THE
COMMITTEE FOR WORKING WITH US. I
VOTE ON AB 2669. THANK YOU,
MADAM SECRETARY. THE MOTION IS
DUE PASSED TO THE COMMITTEE ON
APPROPRIATIONS. WILSON I WILSON
I DAVIES. DAVIES. I AGUIAR-CURRY
AGUIAR-CURRY I BERMAN CARILLO
CARILLO I HART. HART I HOOVER
HOOVER I JACKSON. JACKSON I
LOWENTHAL. LOWENTHAL I PAPPIN
HAPPEN I SANCHEZ. SANCHEZ. NOT
VOTING. YES. TING SING I WALLACE
WALLACE I WARD. WARD I WICKS.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HOLD THE ROLL
OPEN, FOR MEMBERS TO ADD ON AND
NOTE THE VOTE TALLY AT THAT
TIME. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME
ASSEMBLY MEMBER DAVIES AS OUR
NEW VICE CHAIR. ASSEMBLY? YES
LET'S GIVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE
FOR HER, ASSEMBLY MEMBER DAVIES
REPLACES ASSEMBLY MEMBER, VICE,
VINCE FONG, WE WOULD LIKE TO
THANK ASSEMBLY MEMBER FONG FOR
ALL OF HIS HARD WORK WHILE VICE
CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE, HE
SERVED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. CAN
WE GET A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR
ASSEMBLY MEMBER FONG, WITH THAT,
WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM
1631 38. WILSON I WILL MOVE DOWN
AND HAND IT OVER THE GAVEL OVER
TO, MY LOVELY VICE CHAIR. GREAT
ALL RIGHT, CHAIR WILSON, FEEL
FREE TO OPEN THE BILL. AB 3138.
MADAM VICE CHAIR AND MEMBERS,
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PRESENT AB 3138 IN FRONT OF THIS
COMMITTEE TODAY, BUILDING UPON A
SUCCESSFUL PILOT PROGRAM
LAUNCHED ALL THE WAY BACK IN
2013. AB 3138 WILL PROVIDE
CONSUMERS WITH THE OPTION OF
PURCHASING GPS ENABLED
ALTERNATIVE LICENSE PLATE THAT
DISPLAY BANNER MESSAGES WHEN
EVALUATING THE PILOT PROGRAM,
DMV FOUND THAT THE PRODUCTS CAN
DELIVER INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES
TO CALIFORNIANS IN A SAFE AND
COST EFFECTIVE MANNER. EXCUSE
ME? WHILE RECOMMENDING THAT THE
DIGITAL ALTERNATIVE TVS BE FULLY
AUTHORIZED IN STATUTE FOR
PERMANENT USE, THE BILL IN FRONT
OF YOU TODAY IS ABOUT CHOICE AND
DODD PROTECTIONS UNDER AB 3138,
A CONSUMER WOULD HAVE THE OPTION
OF PURCHASING A DIGITAL PLATE,
WHICH TYPICALLY COSTS OVER $500
AND REQUIRES A SUBSCRIPTION. THE
CONSUMER WOULD ALSO HAVE THE
CHOICE, SELECTING WHETHER OR NOT
THEY WOULD LIKE A GPS ENABLED
PLATE FOR ALL GPS ENABLED PLATES
SOLD IN CALIFORNIA, THE GPS MUST
BE CAPABLE OF BEING PERMANENTLY
DISABLED BY MEANS OF A
NONREVERSIBLE METHOD THAT CEASE
ALL LOCATIONS, FUNCTIONALITY,
AND THE GPS MUST BE CAPABLE OF
BEING MANUALLY DISABLED BY A
DRIVER OF THE JEEP DRIVER OF THE
VEHICLE, WHILE THAT DRIVER IS
INSIDE THE VEHICLE. THESE
PROTECTIONS FAR EXCEED
PROTECTIONS AND STATUTE FOR
OTHER G.P.S. GPS ENABLED DEVICES
SUCH AS THE CARS THEMSELVES.
APPS USE INSIDE THE CAR ARE CELL
PHONES AND COUNTLESS OTHER LEGAL
PRODUCTS AVAILABLE TO CONSUMERS.
WHILE GPS, LIKE OTHER
TECHNOLOGIES, HAS THE ABILITY TO
BE ABUSED BY BAD ACTORS, THE
APPROPRIATE POLICY RESPONSE IS
TO PUT GUARDRAILS AND
PROTECTIONS IN PLACE, NOT TO
SIMPLY BAN THE TECHNOLOGY. IN
ONE PRODUCT WHILE ALLOWING IT TO
EXIST WITHOUT RECOURSE IN
COMPARABLE PRODUCTS. THE BILL IS
ALSO DUAL REFERRED TO PRIVACY
COMMITTEE, WHERE WE WILL
CONTINUE TO FLESH OUT ADDITIONAL
PRIVACY CONCERNS AS THEY MAY
ARISE WITH ME TODAY TO PRESENT
IN SUPPORT, I HAVE NEVILLE
BOSTON, THE CO-FOUNDER OF
REVIVER, A CALIFORNIA BLACK
OWNED BUSINESSES BUSINESS, AS
WELL AS, LET'S SEE IF HE'S HERE.
JONATHAN FELDMAN, ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA POLICE
ASSOCIATION, POLICE CHIEFS
ASSOCIATION, OUR SECOND WITNESS
IS ON HIS WAY AND HOPEFULLY HE
MAKES IT IN TIME. I THINK WE
HAVE A DIFFICULT VICE CHAIR WHO
PROBABLY WON'T WAIT FOR HIM. ALL
RIGHT. OKAY, MR. BOSTON, THANK
YOU. IS THIS ON? OKAY. PERFECT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, VICE CHAIR AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY
NAME IS NEVILLE BOSTON, I'M THE
CHIEF STRATEGY OFFICER AND
FOUNDER OF REVIVER. I WANTED TO
GIVE KIND OF CONTEXT AROUND, YOU
KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE
TECHNOLOGY. ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS
THAT THE COMPANY'S BEEN AROUND
FOR 15 YEARS. WE CELEBRATED OUR
15TH YEAR LAST MONTH. IN
ADDITION TO THAT, IT'S A
BUSINESS THAT GENERATES REVENUE
FOR THE STATE. IN 2020, WE
GENERATED, $1 MILLION IN
REVENUE. 2021 WAS 5 MILLION, 20,
22, TEN AND OVER 14 THIS YEAR.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 25 TO
$30 MILLION. WHAT WE ARE, WHAT
WE'RE DOING IS THAT WE'RE NOT
ONLY IN CALIFORNIA, BUT WE'RE
ALSO IN, ARIZONA, CALIFORNIA,
ARIZONA, MICHIGAN AND TEXAS FOR
COMMERCIAL FLEETS. AND WE OFFER
BENEFITS BOTH FOR CONSUMERS AND
COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. OUR
PLATES ARE OPERATIONAL NOT ONLY
OPERATIONAL, BUT DURABLE AND
SECURE, AND WE PRIORITIZE
SAFETY, THEY REMAIN FUNCTIONAL
WITH OR WITHOUT POWER BECAUSE OF
THE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT WE
USE. WE USE E-INK DISPLAYS, AND
THEY'RE UTILIZED BY LAW
ENFORCEMENT. FORT BRAGG, THE
POLICE STATION, IS ONE OF THE
PLACES THAT THEY'RE USED.
SECURITY IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR
US. ALL COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN
OUR PLATES AND THE REVIVAL CLOUD
IS ENCRYPTED AND WITH OUR PLATES
THEMSELVES, ALL THE PORTS INSIDE
THE PLATES ARE DISABLED. SO YOU
CAN'T HACK THE PLATES, IN, THE
INFORMATION IS SECURE, MOREOVER,
USERS HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER
THEIR PLATES AND THEIR ABILITY
TO DISABLE THE GPS TECHNOLOGY
WITHIN THEM. AND FOR CONTEXT,
THE MAJORITY OF THE PLATES THAT
WE HAVE ON THE ROAD DON'T HAVE
GPS AT ALL. THEY'RE BATTERY
OPERATED PLATES. THEY'RE ONLY IN
THE WIRED PLATES THAT ARE
NORMALLY USED FOR COMMERCIAL
VEHICLES, BUT SHOULD HAVE SHOULD
BE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL IF THEY
CHOOSE TO USE THEM. IN TERMS OF
READABILITY, OUR PLATES, EXCEL
AT ALL READABILITY CONDITIONS,
STANDARDS FOR AMVA, THE
AUTOMOBILE ADMINISTRATORS FOR
THE US AND CANADA, AND THEY'VE
BEEN TESTED, THOROUGHLY OVER THE
LAST TEN YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT
THEY'RE DURABLE, CUSTOMER
FEEDBACK, SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT
THE PRACTICAL BENEFITS OF OUR
PLATES, WHETHER IT'S USED BY
COMMERCIAL VEHICLES OR USERS, WE
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALWAYS IN
CONTACT AND COMMUNICATION TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IMPROVING
WHAT WE'RE OFFERING. AND MORE
THAN THAT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE
DIGITAL LICENSE PLATES, THE
UNPARALLELED ADVANTAGES THAT YOU
HAVE FROM A CONNECTIVITY
STANDPOINT, AND THEN ALSO FROM A
USABILITY STANDPOINT AND THE
ABILITY TO GROW AS TECHNOLOGY
GROWS, I THINK GIVES US AN AN
ABILITY TO WORK HAND IN GLOVE
WITH DMVS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND HERE IN THE STATE. DO YOU
HAVE AN ETA ON THE NEXT WITNESS?
OH, THERE HE GOES. ALL RIGHT.
THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD, SIR. SORRY
FOR BEING LATE, ONE OF THOSE
MONDAYS, JONATHAN FELDMAN,
CALIFORNIA POLICE CHIEFS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. WE
APPRECIATE THE, THE AUTHOR AND
THE OPPORTUNITIES OF THIS
TECHNOLOGY. PROVIDES OUR
AGENCIES ON A PUBLIC SAFETY
PERSPECTIVE AND LOOK FORWARD TO
SEEING THIS, TECHNOLOGY CONTINUE
TO EMERGE ACROSS FLEETS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE. THANK YOU.
ASKING FOR AN AYE VOTE. ALL
RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY? ME TOO.
IN THE ROOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK ON SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
ANTHONY SAMSON, ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA NEW CAR DEALERS
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. ALL
RIGHT. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE
HAVE ANY OPPOSITION WITNESSES.
SO WE'LL TAKE OPPOSITION
WITNESS, PLEASE. YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. DO YOU WANT TO COME
HAVE. YEAH. COME. HAVE A SEAT.
THANK YOU. AND YOU HAVE TWO
MINUTES. MOVING SO FAST TODAY? I
DON'T WANT TO SLOW YOU DOWN,
MADAM CHAIR. SAMANTHA CORBIN
WITH THE ELECTRONIC FRONTIER
FOUNDATION, RESPECTFULLY, IN
OPPOSITION TO AB 3138, WHICH WE
BELIEVE WOULD TURN VEHICLE
REGISTRATION PRODUCT INTO A
SURVEILLANCE TRACKER THAT
FOLLOWS A DRIVER EVERYWHERE THEY
GO. THIS IS PARTICULARLY
PROBLEMATIC FOR DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE SURVIVORS. THE LGBTQ
COMMUNITY, IMMIGRANTS, THOSE
SEEKING REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH
CARE, RURAL COMMUNITIES AND
COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. MORE
BROADLY, NUMEROUS DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, LGBTQ, AND OTHER
ORGANIZATIONS HAVE RAISED
SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH PREVIOUS
ITERATIONS OF THIS BILL,
PARTICULARLY AB 984. IN 2002,
THAT BILL PROPOSED ALLOWING GPS
TRACKING DEVICES AND PASSENGER
VEHICLE DIGITAL LICENSE PLATES.
AB 3138 WOULD REMOVE THE
LANGUAGE IN THAT MEASURE THAT
WAS NEGOTIATED TO CAREFULLY
ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND IN
ESSENCE REMOVED THE OPPOSITIONS
OF THOSE GROUPS AT THE TIME,
ADDING GPS TRACKING TO THESE
DEVICES WOULD JEOPARDIZE
CONFIDENTIALITY, INCREASE RISK
OF STALKING, AND THAT IS WHY
NUMEROUS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
ORGANIZATIONS JOINED PRIVACY
ADVOCATES TO OPPOSE AB 984 UNTIL
IT WAS PROHIBITED TO INCLUDE
THEIR INCLUSION. WE RECOGNIZE
THAT THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS
THAT WILL BE UP FOR DATE, UP FOR
DEBATE AND PRIVACY AND CONSUMER
PROTECTION COMMITTEE RATHER THAN
THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE
TODAY, BUT DID WANT TO RAISE
THEM. AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
AUTHOR AND HER OFFICE. THANK YOU
SO MUCH. THANK YOU. WAS ANY
OTHER WITNESS FOR OPPOSITION?
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE TO THE
FLOOR FOR ME, TO ANYONE IN
OPPOSITION. ALL RIGHT. MOVE IT
TO THE COMMITTEE'S QUESTIONS.
MEMBERS YES, MISTER JACKSON,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.
BILL. CAN YOU, MAYBE I'M
STARTING TO GET AT THAT AGE
WHERE I HAVE NO IDEA HOW
TECHNOLOGY WORKS ANYMORE. IS
THERE TELL ME, WHAT IS THE
BENEFITS OF HAVING ELECTRONIC
LICENSE PLATE? ONE OF THE
REASONS THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS
BENEFICIAL FOR THE PRODUCT TO BE
HERE WAS TO STREAMLINE THE
REGISTRATION PROCESS, BUT ALSO
BE ABLE TO HAVE KIND OF A SAFETY
AND SECURITY DEVICE THAT'S
ATTACHED TO THE VEHICLE. IF THE
VEHICLE IS STOLEN, YOU CAN
ACTUALLY PUT STOLEN ON THE
PLATE, WE HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT
LIAISON THAT ACTUALLY HAS,
PRESENTED THIS INFORMATION. BOTH
CONNECTED VEHICLES AND DIGITAL
PLATES, TO OVER 35 LAW
ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS ACROSS
THE COUNTRY. AND HOW I SEE THE
TECHNOLOGY BEING, BENEFICIAL IS
THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT,
INFORMATION THAT'S ON THE PLATE,
IT COULD BE A MONTH OLD,
DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT
PART OF THE MONTH THE
REGISTRATION DATA OR INFORMATION
IS THERE. OURS IS, I THINK, MORE
REAL TIME BECAUSE IT GIVES A
REAL TIME, INFORMATION AS FAR AS
HOW THE HOW THE VEHICLE IS BEING
UTILIZED, AND, AND, AND THE DATA
WITH, WITH WHICH WE ARE ABLE TO
SHARE WITH THE DMV HELPS US WORK
ON BEING ABLE TO OFFER OTHER
SERVICES IN A MORE REAL TIME
MANNER. LIKE YOU KNOW, SPECIALTY
PLATES AND THINGS OF THAT
NATURE. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY,
IT'S ABOUT KEEPING THINGS UP TO
DATE AND BEING ABLE TO UPDATE
THEM LIKE YOU UPDATE YOUR
VEHICLE AND, DO YOU PLAN ON
SELLING THIS PERSONAL
INFORMATION THAT WHATEVER DATA
YOU COLLECT, THAT'S ALL OWNED BY
THE USER OF THE OF THE VEHICLE,
JUST LIKE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY
IF THERE'S A GPS IN THE PLATE TO
SHUT IT OFF, THEY HAVE THEY
CONTROL ALL OF THEIR DATA AND
ALL THEIR INFORMATION. THAT'S
NOT HOW WE MAKE MONEY, I WOULD
SAY THINK ABOUT IT MORE LIKE
APPLE THAN LIKE FACEBOOK,
BECAUSE WE DON'T SELL DATA FOR
MONEY. THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS
MODEL. OKAY? BUT THERE'S NOTHING
THAT PROHIBITS YOU FROM DOING
SO. CORRECT. I, I WOULD SAY THE
ORIGINAL BILL DOESN'T ALLOW THEM
TO DO IT. SO NOT THIS BILL IS AN
EXPANSION IN ONE PARTICULAR
ASPECT. SO THE ORIGINAL SO IN
THE ORIGINAL PILOT THEY COULD
NOT. AND THEN WHEN MY BILL, LAST
YEAR, OR 2022 ALLOWED, THE PILOT
TO GO AWAY AND IT TO NOT HAVE A
SUNSET IT THAT THAT ORIGINAL
LANGUAGE PROHIBITED THAT TYPE OF
BECAUSE IT'S STILL A EVEN THOUGH
IT'S A PRODUCT, IT STILL IS A
CALIFORNIA LICENSE PLATE. AND
THE DATA ASSOCIATED WITH IT, IT
BELONGS TO, THE OWNER OF THE OF
THE OF THE OF THE REGISTERED
VEHICLE. SO THIS, THIS CURRENT,
THIS CURRENT BILL THAT WE'RE
SEEING RIGHT NOW DOES NOT ALLOW
FOR THE SELLING OF THAT
INFORMATION. RIGHT. AND, AND,
AND AS IT RELATES TO THE, IT'S
ALREADY IN ANOTHER SECTION
PROHIBITED BY LAW TO SELL, I
MEAN, NOT TO SELL, BUT TO EVEN
PROVIDE DATA. THERE WAS A
COMMENT IN REGARD TO LGBT QUÊ,
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, REPRODUCTIVE
THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW. SO EVEN
IF THERE WAS SOMEONE REQUESTING
THAT DATA, THEY WOULD NOT BE
FORCED TO SUPPLY THAT DATA.
NEITHER WOULD THE CALIFORNIA DMV
GOT IT. BUT THAT'S NOT IN THE
THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT IN THE
BILL. THAT IS A SEPARATE AND
DISTINCT LAW AND NOT ALLOWABLE,
THAT IS DEFINITELY, HELPFUL. I
MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IN
TRANSPORTATION, I'M JUST TRYING
I'M GOING TO STAY IN MY LANE
HERE. I KNOW THE OTHER PRIVACY
ISSUES ARE WITH THE OTHER
COMMITTEE, SO I'LL BE VOTING
FOR, RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD JUST
URGE TO MAKE SURE YOU TRY TO
TAKE CARE OF ANY OTHER CONCERNS
ON THE PRIVACY SIDE, RIGHT, AS
POSSIBLE, BEFORE IT GETS TO THE
FLOOR, BUT BUT OBVIOUSLY, A
GREAT INFORMATION. I'VE, I SEE
WHY COMMERCIAL USERS WOULD WANT
TO USE IT, I'VE HAD A FLEET
BEFORE WHEN I HAD A REAL JOB AND
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN
WHEN I HAD VEHICLES STOLEN AND
THINGS LIKE THAT, THE ABILITY TO
BE ABLE TO TRACK IT DOWN, THE
ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO TELL EVEN
PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE, MAKE IT
READILY AVAILABLE FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO BE ABLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHEN IT'S THAT THEY
ARE ACTUALLY DRIVING IN BACK OF
A VEHICLE THAT IS STOLEN OR
THINGS LIKE THAT. I DEFINITELY
SEE THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS. OF
COURSE, THE PERSONAL ASPECTS WE
JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP
THAT NICE AND CLEAN. BUT THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. NO PROBLEM. AND
WE AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AS
WELL, WE SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF
WORKING WITH, WITH, BOTH THE
ACLU, EFF, AND I THINK THE DV
COMMUNITIES AROUND INFORMATION
FOR THE BILL AND WE WILL
CONTINUE TO DO SO. SO THIS
HASN'T BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS
DONE, WITHOUT REAL CONSULTATION
AND COMMUNICATION. IT'S AT LEAST
A YEAR AND A HALF. SO JUST, JUST
WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU. MEMBERS. MR. BERMAN,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN YOU
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, AND I
FULLY APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE
CONCERNS THAT THAT ARE MORE
UNDER THE PURVIEW OF PRIVACY
COMMITTEE. WHAT IS THE PROCESS
FOR, MORE ON THESE LITTLE
MESSAGES THAT YOU CAN PUT UNDER
YOUR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, THE
PROCESS FOR REVIEWING THOSE, THE
PROCESS FOR APPROVING THOSE, THE
PROCESS FOR VETTING THOSE, IS
THERE ANY PROCESS FOR VETTING
THEM TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT
THINGS ARE APPROPRIATE, WHICH I
KNOW IS A COMPLICATED FIRST
AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF
CONCEPT, WHAT TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THAT. SO JUST FOR CLARITY,
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THAT WE'VE
USED, TOOLS, AI TOOLS THAT ARE
TIED TO THE CRITERIA THAT WE GOT
FROM CALIFORNIA DMV. BUT ANY
OTHER DMV KIND OF ACROSS THE
COUNTRY OF THE ISSUES WITH
PARTICULAR TYPES OF LANGUAGE.
AND WE PUT THAT IN THERE, SO WE
RUN THAT ALGORITHM IN ADDITION
TO HAVING A LIVE PERSON LOOK AT
IT AND THEN LOOK AT ALL THE
DIFFERENT PERMUTATIONS, AND THEN
THAT INFORMATION IS SENT, TO THE
DMV. IT'S APPROVED OR NOT
APPROVED, AND THEN IT'S PLACED
ON THE PLATE. SO EACH, EACH
MESSAGE GETS APPROVED. SO THERE
IS A PROCESS BY WHICH IT'S DONE.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING KIND OF
HAND IN GLOVE, NOT JUST IN
CALIFORNIA BUT IN EVERY STATE
THAT WE'RE IN THAT, THAT IT'S
ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME THING AND
JUST IMPROVE THAT ALGORITHM. SO
IT'S SMARTER AND SMARTER AND
SMARTER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE
PHYSICAL EYES ON IT AS WELL,
BECAUSE MISTAKES CAN BE MADE.
AND I WAS JUST GOING TO NOTE
THAT THAT IS THE CURRENT PROCESS
THAT EXISTED WITH THE PILOT. AND
WHEN WE TOOK THE SUNSET OUT, NOW
WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S
CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES. AND SO
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DMV AND
LEDGE COUNSEL TO SEE WHAT WE
COULD DO TO SHORE THOSE UP,
WITHOUT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW,
IMPACTING SOMEONE'S
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, RIGHT.
RIGHT. WHILE ALSO MAKING SURE
THAT KIND OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE A
GOVERNMENT OBJECT OR A
GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT, IF YOU
WILL, DOESN'T HAVE THINGS ON IT
THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE
THE IMPRIMATUR OF. RIGHT. WE
DON'T CALIFORNIA, WE DON'T WANT
HATE SPEECH, WE DON'T WANT FOR
INSTANCE, THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE
OF, YOU KNOW, HASHTAG SAVE OUR
CHILDREN ON, ON THE, ON THE FACE
OF IT, THAT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE
EVERYBODY WOULD SUPPORT THAT
BENIGN. YEAH, YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW
, IT HAD A PARTICULAR,
ASSOCIATION WITH IT ONLINE, THAT
MADE IT TO WHERE MAYBE THAT'S
SOMETHING YOU MIGHT NOT WANT ON
THERE. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S AND
THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE COMES IN,
IS WHAT MIGHT LOOK BENIGN, MIGHT
HAVE A DEEPER MEANING. AND HOW
DO WE THEN. RIGHT, LEGISLATE
THAT. RIGHT. AND DID YOU HAVE
THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THAT. IS
THAT SOMETHING THAT. WELL YEAH.
BECAUSE IT CAN BE OH GO AHEAD.
NO, NO GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO
SAY YES, THE DMV RIGHT NOW HAS
SOLE AUTHORITY TO REVOKE. AND
THAT POWER EXISTS WITH DMV AND
NOT WITH THE COMPANY. GOT IT
RIGHT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP AND
IT'S AND IT'S AN ISSUE THAT, YOU
KNOW, IS NOT TO BE ADJUDICATED
HERE, BUT JUST TO BE SAID, IF
YOU LOOK AT PLATE FRAMES THAT
ARE OUT THERE, THOSE ARE
PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, TO A
CERTAIN EXTENT THEY CAN HAVE
WHATEVER THEY WANT ON THE PLATES
AND IT OBSTRUCTS THE ABILITY FOR
YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE YEAR AND
DATE AND USUALLY, YOU KNOW,
COVERS A PORTION OF THE BOTTOM
OF THE OF THE NUMBERS. AND I
GUESS I'M MAKING THAT POINT TO
SAY THIS WITH THE DIGITAL
TECHNOLOGY, THE ABILITY, I THINK
WHY THERE'S A HUGE BENEFIT THERE
IS THAT IF THERE'S A MISTAKE
MADE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY PULL IT
BACK. IF YOU SEND OUT THE WRONG
PLATE WITH THE WRONG INFORMATION
ON IT, IT'S AN ACT OF GOD TO GET
IT BACK. SO WHAT I'M SAYING,
WHEN YOU HAVE THIS TYPE OF
TECHNOLOGY, THERE ARE BENEFITS
TO BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY REVOKE
SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
YEAH. REAL TIME, YOU'VE GOT
FLEXIBILITY. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY
THANKS. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU TO THE AUTHOR FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD, I
DID, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY I'M
GOING TO SEE THIS AGAIN IN
PRIVACY. SO I'M PROBABLY GOING
TO LAY OFF TODAY, FEW THINGS
THAT MIGHT MAKE ME A LITTLE MORE
COMFORTABLE. I THINK THE WAY I'M
READING THE BILL NOW, IT SEEMS
LIKE THE DEFAULT FOR THESE
PLATES IS WHERE THE TRACKING IS
TURNED ON, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, AND
THEN ALLOWED TO BE DISABLED. AND
I ALMOST WOULD BE MORE
COMFORTABLE IF IT WAS THE OTHER
DIRECTION IF PEOPLE COULD OPT
INTO BEING TRACKED. I DO SEE THE
VALUE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE
TRACKING FEATURE. AND SOME
CONSUMERS WILL WANT THAT FEATURE
, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S
SOMETHING YOU SHOULD PROBABLY
HAVE TO OPT INTO VERSUS OPT OUT
OF, SORRY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF
THERE'S NO LISTEN, I AGREE WITH
EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING,
BUT JUST TO KIND OF THROW IT IS
OPT IN. IT'S NOT OPT OUT OKAY.
SO YOU HAVE TO OPT INTO IT. SO
THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT IS. IT'S
CONSTRUCTED. IT'S OPT IN. AND
THEN ANOTHER THING, JUST FOR
CLARIFICATION, I WOULD SAY
PROBABLY ABOUT 95% OF THE PLATES
THAT ARE ON THE ROAD HAVE NO
GPS. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S
KIND OF AN ARGUMENT THAT EVERY
PLATE THAT COMES ON THE ROAD HAS
GPS, AND THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE
HAVE OVER 50,000 ON THE ROAD
RIGHT NOW, AND I WOULD SAY AT
LEAST 95% OF THEM ARE BATTERY
OPERATED THAT HAVE NO GPS
WHATSOEVER. AND THEN IF YOU TAKE
THAT NUMBER AND THEN YOU SHRINK
IT DOWN TO ACTUAL CONSUMERS,
THAT ACTUALLY HAVE IT, IT'S
PROBABLY 1% OF THE PLATES THAT
ARE OUT THERE. SO I THINK THAT
IT'S KIND OF SOMETIMES PORTRAYED
THAT EVERY SINGLE PLATE OUT
THERE HAS GPS. THE REASON WHY WE
WENT TO A BATTERY OPERATED
PLATE, BECAUSE IT OPERATES LIKE
A METAL PLATE. AND YOU HAVE THE
ABILITY TO, TO, TO SELF INSTALL
LIKE YOU WOULD PUT ON YOUR OWN
METAL PLATE WHEN YOUR PLATE
COMES IN THE MAIL. SO I JUST, I
WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT
AS FAR AS HOW IT'S BEING KIND OF
COUCHED THAT EVERY PLATE OUT
THERE HAS GPS. THE VAST MAJORITY
OF THE PLATES HAVE NO GPS AT
ALL. I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING
IS, IS THAT WE WANT THE ABILITY
FOR A CONSUMER TO DECIDE WHETHER
THEY WANT IT OR NOT, AND NOT TO
NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
SORRY. WE'LL LET YOU FINISH ALL
YOUR OKAY. YEAH. AND I THINK
LIKE SO YOU'RE SAYING
ESSENTIALLY THAT YOU COULD OPT
TO PURCHASE A PLATE WITHOUT THE
TECHNOLOGY AT ALL. IS THAT WHAT
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY OKAY.
ABSOLUTELY. GOT IT. AND THAT IS
GOOD TO FOR CONSUMERS FOR SURE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONLY OTHER
CONCERN WAS THE CHP PORTION,
KIND OF THIS LIKE TAKING CHP OUT
OF THIS PROCESS DOES CONCERN ME
A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THAT, YOU
KNOW, THEY SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE
SOME ROLE IN THIS PROCESS. AND
SO I WAS GOING TO ASK IF HOW
CURIOUS HOW COMMITTED YOU ARE TO
THAT SECTION OR KIND OF WHAT THE
REASONING IS BEHIND IT. BUT,
THOSE ARE PROBABLY MY TWO
CONCERNS. AND THE LAST THING I
WAS GOING TO JUST ASK IS ON THE
ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, PRIVACY ISSUES
OF THE HACKING THAT YOU
MENTIONED, WHAT ARE THE, YOU
KNOW, STEPS OR, OR, YOU KNOW,
PROTECTIONS AGAINST, YOU KNOW,
OUTSIDE PEOPLE LOOKING TO DO
HARM, RIGHT? FROM, FROM
ACCESSING THIS TECHNOLOGY. I
GUESS I'M KIND OF A LAYMAN ON
THAT. SO. SURE. NO PROBLEM
WHATSOEVER. SO WHEN IT COMES TO
THE TECHNOLOGY, EVERYTHING THAT
WE HAVE IS HOUSED IN AWS, IN THE
CLOUD, AND WE USE TWO SERVICES,
BOTH, AT&T AND VERIZON, FOR
EITHER PLATE, SO THEIR END TO
END ENCRYPTED MORE THAN THAT, IF
YOU GET THE PLATE UP ITSELF,
WE'VE TAKEN IT DOWN. SO THERE
ARE NO OPEN PORTS. IF YOU WERE
TO OPEN THE PLATE TO BE ABLE TO
ACCESS ANY DATA OR ANY
INFORMATION ON THE PLATE, AND WE
KEEP THE PLATE DUMB. SO THE
CLOUD IS SMART, PLATE IS DUMB.
SO YOU PUSH INFORMATION DOWN
THAT THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE ON
THE PLATE, BUT NO PERSONAL
INFORMATION OTHER THAN YOUR,
LICENSE PLATE NUMBER IS ATTACHED
TO THE PLATE BECAUSE THERE'S A
SERIAL NUMBER THAT ATTACHES TO
YOUR INFORMATION THAT'S IN THE
CLOUD THAT HAS THAT INFORMATION.
SO THE DATA IS REALLY, REALLY
SAFE. AND WE DID THAT PURPOSELY
BECAUSE WE UNDERSTOOD THAT, YOU
KNOW, GDPR WHEN THAT CAME OUT.
AND THEN ALSO CCPA, WE WANTED TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE DATA
INFORMATION WAS ALWAYS SAFE. AND
WE DO, I WOULD SAY QUARTERLY,
CHECKS WITHIN OUR SYSTEMS, FOR
ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT WE
WOULD HAVE. WE DO THAT
PROACTIVELY. SO THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT'S EXTREMELY
SERIOUS FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE DATA AND INFORMATION THAT IS
THERE IS, IS, IS PROTECTED AND
SAFE. AND I WAS JUST GOING TO
NOTE ON THE, CHP BECAUSE IT WAS
INITIALLY A PILOT PROGRAM AND
THEN, THEY WERE HEAVILY INVOLVED
IN PUTTING AROUND PARAMETERS ON
WHAT KIND OF ALTERNATIVE LICENSE
PLATES THERE SHOULD BE. WE JUST
MOVED IT TO NOW A SINGLE ENTITY
WITH CONSULTATION. SO THEY ARE
ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN A PART OF
THE PROCESS. BUT THIS CAME ABOUT
BECAUSE NOW IT IS A IT IS A
COMPLETE PROGRAM INSTEAD OF A
PILOT PROGRAM. AND SO THE LAW
STILL, HAS LANGUAGE THAT IN
CONSULTANT WITH, IN CONSULTANTS
IN CONSULTATION WITH CHP. BUT
THEY'RE JUST NOT YOU DON'T HAVE
TO GET TO APPROVING APPROVAL. SO
PEPIN THANK YOU, MR. BOSTON, FOR
RESPONDING TO ALL THESE PEPPERED
QUESTIONS. I JUST HAVE A
QUESTION ABOUT THE BATTERY
ITSELF. AND I THINK YOU SAID IT
WAS SOLAR. SO IS THERE A CHANCE
OF IT GOING OUT SUCH THAT YOU
MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY
THE CAR, OR HOW DOES HOW DOES
YOUR. OKAY, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR
BATTERY. SO WHAT WE DID WITH THE
BATTERY IS THAT WE WANTED TO
KEEP IT THIN. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD
A SPECIALIZED BATTERY MADE. IT
IS NOT RECHARGEABLE BECAUSE
RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES CAN
EXPLODE. SO WE STAYED AWAY FROM
THAT, AND IT'S, IT'S GOT A 5 TO
7 YEAR BATTERY LIFE THAT ARE
THINNER. SO WE MADE SURE THAT WE
HAD THE LATEST AND GREATEST,
BEST TECHNOLOGY TESTED. IT YOU
KNOW, EXTENSIVELY, SO THE
BATTERY TECHNOLOGY IS THINNER
THAN WHAT YOU WOULD FIND. AND IT
WAS SPECIALLY MADE FOR THE PLATE
TO KEEP THE SAME FORM FACTOR.
AND DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN HOW
THEY WOULD REPLACE HOW YOU TRACK
SOMEONE'S BATTERY DYING.
EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MADAM CHAIR, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS,
IS THAT, A HALF A YEAR OUT, SIX
MONTHS OUT, WE SEND A NOTICE TO,
TO THE USER TO SAY THAT THE
BATTERY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED,
ONE OF THE THINGS AND POINTS I
WILL MAKE IS THAT THE PLATE IS
E-INK. TECHNOLOGY MEANS THAT THE
IMAGE THAT'S ON THE PLATE WILL
ALWAYS STAY THERE. IT TAKES
POWER FOR IT TO CHANGE. SO YOU
WILL ALWAYS BE IN COMPLIANCE.
THE BATTERY COULD GO OUT AND THE
IN THE IMAGE IS STILL ON THE
PLATE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE
ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT ABOUT
THE PLATE STAYING IN COMPLIANCE.
IT WILL ALWAYS BE COMPLIANT. YOU
JUST CAN'T CHANGE IT. VERY
IMPORTANT OKAY. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. YEAH NO PROBLEM I. I'M
GOING TO GO BACK DOWN HERE. SO
MEMBER LOWENTHAL OKAY, FIRST OF
ALL, I WANT TO, POINT OUT THAT I
ALSO SIT ON THE PRIVACY
COMMITTEE. SO VERY FORTUNATELY,
WE'LL HAVE TWO BITES AT THE
APPLE HERE, I WILL BE SUPPORTING
THE BILL TODAY, AND I WILL HAVE
FURTHER QUESTIONS MORE GERMANE
TO PRIVACY IN THAT COMMITTEE,
WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I, I HAD
A BILL THAT SORT OF DIED, ON, ON
, DIGITAL LICENSE PLATE READER
DATA AND HOW LONG LAW
ENFORCEMENT CAN HOLD ON TO THAT
DATA, VERY SENSITIVE TO VARIOUS
COMMITTEE, COMMUNITIES IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. AND IT'S A
LESSON TO ALL OF US THAT WE
COULD NOT ACHIEVE CONSENSUS
AMONG LEGISLATORS ON WHAT IS A
PROPER AMOUNT OF TIME, THAT LAW
ENFORCEMENT SHOULD HOLD ON TO
THAT DATA. AND THERE'S A BREADTH
OF OPINION AS IT RELATES TO, YOU
KNOW, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE DATA
GOVERNANCE AS IT RELATES TO
FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT AND SO
FORTH. AND SO I'M SURE WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE ROBUST
CONVERSATION, MADAM CHAIR, IN
THE PRIVACY COMMITTEE, AND MY
GOAL HERE AND IN THAT COMMITTEE
WILL BE TO GET THIS BILL PASSED.
BUT IN A WAY WHERE WE DO ACHIEVE
SOME LEVEL OF CONSENSUS AROUND
ALL THE PRIVACY COMPONENTS OF IT
AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COMPANY
IS SUCCESSFUL. I DO WANT TO ASK
JUST A COUPLE BASIC QUESTIONS
FOR MY OWN UNDERSTANDING TO
UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER,
FIRST OF ALL IS WHEN SOMEBODY
BUYS THE LICENSE PLATE, THEY'RE
BUYING IT FOR THE VEHICLE.
TYPICALLY SPEAKING, WHEN WE HAVE
A VEHICLE NOW, THE LICENSE PLATE
GOES WITH THE VEHICLE ON THE
SECONDARY MARKET. WHEN THE WHEN
THE CAR IS SOLD THAT THAT
LICENSE PLATE GOES ON. CAN YOU
TELL ME WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND
WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE WHEN
THERE IS A SALE OF THIS VEHICLE?
DOES THE DIGITAL LICENSE PLATE
BELONG TO THE PERSON WHO
PURCHASED IT? DOES IT BELONG TO
THE VEHICLE? IF IT GETS
TRANSFERRED, WHAT IS THE
PROCESS? ESPECIALLY WITH THE
INDIVIDUAL PREFERENCES OF THE
SPECIFIC USER? HOW DOES THAT
WORK? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT
QUESTION, WHAT I WILL SAY IS,
THE THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE
THE PLATE, IT'S OWNED BY THE
USER, I MEAN BY THE, BY THE
PERSON THAT, THAT, THAT
PURCHASED IT. BUT THEY HAVE THE
ABILITY TO ACTUALLY SELL IT WITH
THE VEHICLE OR DECIDE TO KEEP
IT. AND, AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IN
THAT IF THEY DECIDE TO SELL IT
WITH THE VEHICLE IS THAT, THAT
INFORMATION IS WIPED AND IT HAS
TO BE RE REPROVISIONED FOR THAT
NEW FOR THAT VEHICLE. AND FOR
THAT OWNER. SO, SO NONE OF THAT
DATA INFORMATION IS THAT IN THE
BILL RIGHT NOW THAT'S IN THE
ORIGINAL. SO THIS IS A EXPANDED
A THIS IS ALLOWING THE GPS
TECHNOLOGY. SO THAT IS AN
ORIGINAL BILL. IN THE ORIGINAL
BILL WHEN THE VEHICLE IS SOLD,
THERE'S AN YEAH, THAT'S EXISTING
LAW, I SHOULD SAY THAT'S
EXISTING. THANK YOU. OKAY OKAY.
AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP IS, IS THE
POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP ON
ENCRYPTION OR IS THAT COMPANY
POLICY. IS THAT THE LAW AS FAR
AS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE
MECHANISMS THAT YOU'RE UTILIZING
AT&T, VERIZON, I THINK YOU YOU
POINTED OUT SPECIFICALLY AS THE
PARTNERS FOR ENCRYPTION OF DATA.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE
DATA IS TRANSMITTED BACK AND
FORTH TO, AMAZON. BUT BUT WHAT
WHAT WHAT WHAT ARE THE REQUIRED
CGRTS AS IT RELATES TO THE LAW
AS FAR AS ENCRYPTION IS
CONCERNED, IS THAT SPECIFICALLY
FOR YOUR COMPANY'S POLICY? COULD
THAT POLICY CHANGE OR IS THAT
LOCKED INTO THE BILL LANGUAGE AS
IT IS RIGHT NOW? I WAS UNDER THE
IMPRESSION AS FAR AS HOW DATA
AND INFORMATION IS TRANSFERRED.
THAT WAS PART OF CCPA, BUT ALSO
A PART OF OUR PREVIOUS BILL. BUT
IT'S ALSO OUR PRACTICE, BECAUSE
THE INFORMATION AND DATA THAT WE
HAVE IN REGARDS TO OUR
CUSTOMERS, IS SACROSANCT AND IF
FOR SOME REASON THAT GETS OUT,
THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DONE. SO
THAT INFORMATION IS VITALLY
IMPORTANT AND WE TAKE IT
EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY AND, AND
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT
PROTECTED FOR THE USER. I I
CERTAINLY CAN FEEL YOUR
SINCERITY ON THIS. YOU COULD
ALSO BE SELLING YOUR COMPANY
TOMORROW. SO WE WOULD JUST WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE
PROTECTIONS ARE GUARANTEED IN
THE LAW. THAT IS FAIR. AND SO I
WOULD LOVE IF BY THE TIME WE GET
TO PRIVACY THAT THAT COULD BE
CLARIFIED AS WELL. SO WE
UNDERSTAND. YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL BE
ABLE TO I SEE A COUPLE OF LAWS
THAT WERE A COUPLE OF PROVISIONS
FROM THE ORIGINAL BILL THAT
ADDRESSED THAT. AND SO WE'LL
MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S LAID OUT
VERY CLEARLY IN IN PRIVACY. BUT
THERE ARE SOME LANGUAGES WITHIN
THE EXISTING LAW THAT DO ADDRESS
THAT. YEP. THANK YOU, MR. HART.
AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW BY MR.
TING. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I JUST
WANT TO CONGRATULATE CHAIR
WILSON AND MR. BOSTON ON
ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS. SO
COMPREHENSIVELY AND THOROUGHLY,
ASSEMBLY MEMBER PAPPIN AND I
WERE SITTING HERE THINKING,
THERE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A
SHARK TANK FEEL TO THIS HEARING,
AND I LOVE IT. LOVE IT IN THE
HOT SEAT. AND YOU HAD ME WHEN
YOU TALKED ABOUT STREAMLINING
THE REGISTRATION PROCESS. SO
THANK YOU, MR. TING. THANK YOU,
THANK YOU, SO JUST I JUST WANTED
TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS.
REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION
ON THE TECHNOLOGY ITSELF. JUST
WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT'S IN
EXISTING LAW OR WHAT'S IN THE
BILL. SO IN TERMS OF THE GPS
PROVISION, IS THAT IN THE BILL
WHERE IT IS AN OPT IN OR IS IT
SILENT ON THAT, GPS PROVISION?
SO IN THE ORIGINAL IT WAS SO IN
THE ORIGINAL IT WAS AN OPT IN
FOR COMMERCIAL AND FOR PERSONAL.
IT WAS NOT ALLOWED. RIGHT, AND
SO AND, AND THE ORIGINAL FOR THE
COMMERCIAL, IT CLEARLY DISPLAYED
THAT YOU'RE ENTERING A VEHICLE.
IT HAD TO BE DISPLAYED THAT
YOU'RE ENTERING A VEHICLE THAT
HAD GPS TECHNOLOGY ATTACHED TO
IT. GOT IT. NOW WE'RE MOVING TO
THIS BILL, WHICH EXPANDS IT TO
PERSONAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE
IT HAS TO HAVE THAT DISPLAY THAT
YOU'RE ENTERING IN A VEHICLE. IT
HAS TO BE CLEARLY, INDICATE HOW
YOU WOULD DISABLE GPS RELATED TO
THE LICENSE PLATE. AND IT WOULD
BE AND IT IS AN OPT IN, FEATURE
FOR THAT VEHICLE. SO THE PERSON
HAS TO WHEN THEY'RE DOING A
PERSONAL OR A PERSONAL USE, THEY
HAVE TO SAY, I WANT THAT FEATURE
IN MY CAR IN ORDER TO BE THERE.
AND IF THEY DO, IT CLEARLY SAYS,
ON THE VEHICLE. IT CLEARLY SAYS
THAT YOU'RE ENTERING A VEHICLE
THAT HAS GPS AND THE ABILITY TO
DISABLE IT. AND CLEARLY, MARK
AND NOT ONLY DISABLE IT, HOW YOU
DISABLE IT, AND I WAS JUST
WONDERING FOR FROM, FROM A
COMPANY PERSPECTIVE, HOW DO YOU
IMAGINE THIS OPTING IN? AND
LET'S SAY I, LET'S SAY I OPTED
IN AS A, AS A CUSTOMER. AND I
DECIDED, YOU KNOW, AFTER A YEAR,
I WANTED TO OPT OUT IN YOUR
MIND, HOW WOULD YOU BE, ALLOWING
ME TO OPT IN OR EVEN TO OPT OUT
AFTER THE FACT OF UTILIZATION OF
THE PLATE, RIGHT? YES. YES. SO
BASICALLY, IT'S A SUBSCRIPTION
MODEL. SO YOU HAVE IT. IT'S A
YEARLY SUBSCRIPTION. YOU CHOOSE
NOT TO AT ANY POINT. YOU CAN OPT
OUT OF, OF HAVING IT GOT IT. SO
IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR BILL YOU
ARE OPTING OUT AS WELL. OF
COURSE. YES BUT BUT I ASSUME I
CAN PAY MY BILL AND I COULD
STILL OPT OUT THOUGH, RIGHT?
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO, THE WAY THE BILL WAS
ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED, IT WAS
BASED ON FLEETS, BUT NOW THIS IS
SORT OF FOR EVERYBODY. IS THAT
RIGHT? NO. THE WAY THE ORIGINAL
EXISTING LAW WAS, THE ORIGINAL
BILL WAS BASED ON EVERYONE, BUT
THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT DV,
LGBTQ, REPRODUCTIVE. AND THERE
WAS THIS, CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
AND SO WE INTENTIONALLY IN 2022,
TO ALLEVIATE THAT CONCERN, BUT
ALSO ALLOW FOR THE SUNSET OF THE
PILOT. Ã MADE IT EXCLUSIVELY
FOR COMMERCIAL. SO WE DID THAT.
WE WERE THE ONLY STATE, TO DO
THAT. OKAY. AND THEN JUST OUT OF
CURIOSITY, IS THERE WHAT WOULD
BE THE REASON WHY DO YOU WHAT
CUSTOMERS HAVE EXPRESSED REASONS
TO GET THE GPS TECHNOLOGY JUST
JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. SO THE,
WELL, ONE, IT'S ABOUT IT'S ABOUT
CHOICE, RIGHT, BUT TO THE
ORIGINAL PILOT ALLOWED FOR GPS
ON BOTH. AND SO THERE WERE NO.
SO THE ORIGINAL PILOT. SO NOT
LAST YEAR'S BILL, 20, I MEAN,
2222 BILL, BUT THE ORIGINAL 2013
BILL ALLOWED FOR GPS ON BOTH
PERSONAL AND COMMERCIAL. AND SO
DURING THE PILOT PERIOD, IT WAS
ON BOTH. OKAY. AND MORE THAN
THAT, I JUST WANT TO ADD IN A
COUPLE THINGS, WE'VE HAD THE
PLATES WHERE WE'VE HAD
INFORMATION SUBPOENAED ON PEOPLE
WHO'VE COMMITTED CRIMES. THEY'VE
BEEN ABLE TO TRACK IT ON
INDIVIDUALS, BE ABLE TO RECEIVE
YOUR PROPERTY BACK AFTER IT WAS
STOLEN BASED ON THIS TECHNOLOGY.
SO I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN KIND
OF LOOKED AT ON ONE SIDE OF IT,
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO
BEING ABLE TO SAY, HEY, MY
VEHICLE WAS STOLEN, CAN YOU
ACTUALLY TRACK WHERE THE VEHICLE
IS GONE AND THEN BE ABLE TO
RECEIVE OR RETRIEVE YOUR
PROPERTY AS WELL? SO THERE'S
BEEN A LOT OF BENEFITS ON THAT
SIDE. UNDERSTOOD. AND THEY'LL
HAVE TO DO IT QUICKLY BECAUSE
NOW THEY'LL KNOW HOW TO DISABLE
IT. GOT IT. I DON'T WANT TO GET
TOO FAR INTO IT, BUT I DID WANT
TO ASK OPPOSITION BECAUSE I AM
CURIOUS SINCE IT IS AN OPT IN
PROCEDURE AND MUCH OF THE
TESTIMONY WAS AROUND CERTAIN
COMMUNITIES AND ASSUMING THE
FOLKS WHO DIDN'T WANT TO BE
TRACKED WOULD NOT OPT IN. I'M
CURIOUS WHY YOU STILL HAVE
OPPOSITION, EVEN THOUGH I WOULD
HAVE YOU KNOW, I MYSELF WOULD
HAVE TO OPT IN TO THIS TRACKING
TECHNOLOGY. SURE. I THINK THE
DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER THERE ARE A LOT OF
PRODUCTS THAT MAY BE OPT IN, BUT
IF YOU CAN'T SELECT AN
ALTERNATIVE TO THEM, AT SOME
POINT INTO THE FUTURE, YOU ARE
OPTING IN TO THAT PRODUCT.
CORRECT. AND SO ON TOP OF THAT,
A LOT OF PRODUCTS THAT ARE
LINKED TO AUTOMOBILES, THE OPT
IN IS CONTINGENT UPON THE USE IN
THE SALE AND SO THE DEVIL IS IN
THOSE DETAILS OF HOW DO YOU
DECOUPLE THAT OPT IN AND AT WHAT
POINT, HOW USER FRIENDLY IS IT?
DOES IT REMOVE FUNCTIONALITY OF
THE DEVICE? I WOULD ADD JUST
THAT SHORTLY AFTER THE MOST
RECENT BILL WAS PASSED, REVIVER
HAD AN ENORMOUS DATA BREACH THAT
ALLOWED FOR REAL TIME DATA
TRACKING OF GPS OF THE
INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE USING
THESE PRODUCTS. AND SO FROM THE
PERSPECTIVE OF REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTH, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU'RE
LOOKING AT OTHER STATES WHO ARE
TRYING TO LIMIT PEOPLE SEEKING
LGBTQ CARE AND REPRODUCTIVE
HEALTH CARE, IT'S VERY SERIOUS
THAT THOSE FOLKS MIGHT BE ABLE
TO ACCESS THIS DATA AND USE IT
TO PENALIZE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE
IN THE STATE FOR GIVEN THAT
CALIFORNIA IS A SANCTUARY STATE.
AND SO CLARITY AROUND WHAT THAT
OPT OUT LOOKS LIKE, THAT A
TRADITIONAL PRODUCT OTHERWISE
WOULD BE AVAILABLE, HOW SOMEONE
MIGHT UTILIZE THAT AND
TRANSPARENCY AROUND THINGS LIKE
DATA BREACHES AND FRANKLY,
ACCOUNTABILITY AROUND THAT.
THAT'S BEYOND A QUARTERLY CHECK
OR ALL THINGS THAT ARE
SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS OF THE
COMMUNITY THAT PERSIST BACK TO
THE 2022 DEAL, AS WELL AS NOW. I
UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S STILL AN
OPT IN. RIGHT? SO IF I DON'T
WANT TO BE TRACKED, I'LL GIVE
YOU AN EXAMPLE, SIR. WHEN I MOST
RECENTLY BOUGHT A VEHICLE, AND
THIS WAS A FEW YEARS AGO, THERE
WAS ACTUALLY AN INFORMATIONAL
HEARING ON DATA TRACKING IN
CARS. AND AT THE TIME, THE
AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY DID MAKE
THAT ARGUMENT THAT ALL OF THESE
TRACKING FEATURES ARE, IN FACT,
OPT IN. WHAT HAD HAPPENED THAT
THE WEEK PRIOR, I HAD BOUGHT A
NEW VEHICLE, SO I HAD TO SPEND
ABOUT SIX HOURS. AND THESE ARE
ISSUES I KNOW. WELL, LOOKING
THROUGH VARIOUS TERMS OF
SERVICES. IN FACT, MY AUTOMAKER
HAD ALREADY LINKED MY PROFILE TO
MY VERIZON ACCOUNT TO SHARE DATA
WITHOUT MY CONSENT. AND MY
CONSENT WAS THE PURCHASE OF THE
VEHICLE AND THE TERMS OF SERVICE
BOOK THAT WAS HANDED TO ME UPON
ME SIGNING OFF ON THE LOAN. SO
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I
WOULD CONSIDER PERSONALLY, NOR
WOULD MY CLIENT AND OPT IN. AND
SO REALLY BEING I WOULD EITHER.
YEAH. AND SO BEING VERY CLEAR ON
WHAT OPT IN IS AND WHEN AND WHAT
THE MECHANISM TO OPT OUT IS
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND REQUIRES
A LITTLE MORE NUANCE, ESPECIALLY
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
TRACKING SOMEONE'S REAL TIME
GPS. I THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE
THAT, AND SORRY, MADAM CHAIR.
YES, IF I COULD, AND JUST TO
NOTE THAT IT IS A SUBSCRIPTION
SERVICE, SO YOU DO PAY FOR THAT
ADDITIONAL FEATURE TO HAVE GPS.
SO IT IS VERY CLEAR, UNLIKE A
BUNDLING LIKE WHAT HAPPENS WITH
YOUR CAR AUTOMATICALLY, AND THEN
ALSO NOTED THE LANGUAGE IN THIS
BILL REQUIRES COMPLIANCE OF
THESE DEVICES TO ENSURE THEY ARE
CAPABLE OF BEING PERMANENTLY
DISABLED IMMEDIATELY, STOPPING
ALL LOCATION AND TRACKING
FUNCTIONALITY, AND BEING
MANUALLY DISABLED AND ENABLED BY
THE DRIVER WHILE INSIDE THE
VEHICLE, IT ALSO CLEARLY STATES
THAT IF THE ALTERNATIVE DEVICE,
MEANING THIS LICENSE PLATE,
FAILS TO MEET THESE
REQUIREMENTS, VEHICLE LOCATION
TECHNOLOGY SHALL NOT BE INCLUDED
IN THE DEVICE, SO THEY HAVE THAT
BURDEN WITH DMV TO BE ABLE TO
TEST TO MAKE SURE THAT OCCURS.
AND IF IT CAN'T OCCUR, THEN THEY
CAN'T HAVE GPS IN. SO NO MATTER
WHAT WE DECIDE, IF THIS GETS
CHAPTERED INTO LAW, IF THERE, IF
THAT DOESN'T WORK, DMV CAN PULL
THE PRODUCT AND NOT ALLOW THE
VEHICLE LOCATION TECHNOLOGY
WITHIN THERE. GOT IT. OKAY SO I
AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL
TODAY SORT OF WITH OUR
TRANSPORTATION HAT, WITH THE
HOPES THAT THIS WILL SOME OF
THIS WILL GET IRONED OUT IN
PRIVACY COMMITTEE. BUT I DO
SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT
HAVE BEEN ARTICULATED THAT I
KNOW YOU'RE SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE
YOU'RE VERY FOCUSED ON AND
WORKING ON AND WISH YOU BEST OF
LUCK. AND I THINK IT IS IT IS
TRICKY NOW WITH SO MANY CARS, IT
FEELS LIKE ALL OUR CARS ARE
TRACKED. I MEAN, LIKE I HAVE A I
HAVE A CAR. I YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE
GPS, IT HAS SORT OF SECURITY. IT
HAS ALL THESE THINGS LITERALLY.
I CAN TELL ON MY PHONE WHERE THE
CAR IS. SO AGAIN, I HAVE NO IDEA
HOW THAT DATA IS BEING USED,
WHAT IT'S BEING USED AND NEVER
ALLOWED ME THE FEATURE OR AN
OPTION TO DON'T BE TRACKED, AND
SO I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS AN
ISSUE NOT JUST FOR THE LICENSE
PLATE READER, BUT THIS IS A
ISSUE FOR EVERY AUTO
MANUFACTURER. SO THANK YOU.
MEMBERS ANY MORE COMMENTS
QUESTIONS? IF YOU COULD CLARIFY
FOR ME, JUST KIND OF
PIGGYBACKING OFF ASSEMBLY MEMBER
BERMAN'S WITH THE MESSAGING, IS
THIS MESSAGING THAT IS LIKE
ADVERTISEMENT THAT'S USING A
COMPANY THAT'S ACTUALLY USING
YOUR DIGITAL LICENSE PLATE, OR
IS THAT JUST THE PERSONAL PERSON
PUTTING A MESSAGE THERE ITSELF?
IT'S BOTH OKAY, AND SO DO THEY
OPT IN OR OPT OUT FOR THAT? AND
DO THEY ACTUALLY KNOW IF THEIR
LICENSE OR DIGITAL LICENSE IS
BEING USED FOR ADVERTISEMENT.
AND DO THEY KNOW WHAT IT'S
SAYING? OH, SORRY, JUST FOR
CLARITY, ANY MESSAGE LIKE IF YOU
OWN AN ELECTRICAL COMPANY AND
YOU WANTED TO PUT, YOU KNOW,
ABLE ELECTRONICS OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT, THAT MESSAGE IS ONE
THAT YOU'VE CREATED. SO JUST FOR
CLARITY, THE ONLY MESSAGE THAT
IS PUT ON THE PLATE IS ONE
THAT'S FROM A PRE-APPROVED LIST
THAT HAS GONE THROUGH. AND WE
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY
JUST TO THROW MESSAGES ON YOUR
PLATE. WE DON'T DO THAT IN ANY
WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT YOU DECIDE TO DO
WHEN YOU GET THE VEHICLE. AND IF
THERE IS A PARTICULAR MESSAGE
THAT'S BEEN APPROVED OR ONE THAT
YOU'RE REQUESTING TO BE
APPROVED, THEN YOU'RE UTILIZING
THAT MESSAGE ON YOUR VEHICLE
YOURSELF. OTHERWISE IT WILL SAY
DMV.K.GOV. OKAY, SO COULD THE
OWNER THAT HAS THAT MESSAGE ON
THERE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AN
ADVERTISEMENT COULD ACTUALLY PAY
THEM. THEY COULD USE THEIR
LICENSE DIGITAL. SO A CONSUMER I
MEAN AND BASICALLY IN CONSUMER I
CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT
TO PUT REVIVER COM AND I'M GOING
TO ASK MR. BOSTON'S COMPANY TO
PAY ME $20 TO ALWAYS SAY
REVIVER.COM. THAT CAN HAPPEN, SO
TO SPEAK. BUT IT'S SOMETHING
THAT IS THE CONSUMER, WHOEVER IS
THE OWNER OF THAT VEHICLE, IT'S
SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT ON
THEIR VEHICLE AND THEY ARE
SEEKING APPROVAL TO GET ON THEIR
VEHICLE. WHATEVER, AGREEMENT
THEY HAVE WITH SOMEONE ELSE TO
BE ABLE TO PUT ON, YOU KNOW, TO
PAY THEM TO PUT THAT ON THEIR
VEHICLE IS UP TO THEM. BUT IT IS
CONSUMER CHOICE WITH DMV
APPROVAL IS CURRENTLY THE SETUP.
JUST AN ODD QUESTION, AS AS
YOU'RE BRINGING UP AND THANK
YOU, DOES THAT MEAN SOMEONE
COULD PUT VOTE FOR SO AND SO?
YES, THEY COULD. IT MIGHT BE
WORTH THAT $500. YES. GO AHEAD.
TYPICALLY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
PROHIBIT MOBILE SIGNAGE. YOUR
MOBILE THESE BILLBOARDS. WILL
THIS, PROHIBIT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
FROM NOT ALLOWING OR ALLOWING
BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL SECTION OF
THE. SO, YES. SO LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
GOVERN WHAT IS ON THE DMV
LICENSE PLATE ON THE LICENSE
PLATE. IT IS A CALIFORNIA
APPROVED, APPROVED LICENSE
PLATE. JUST THEY CAN'T PROHIBIT
RIGHT NOW WHAT'S ON A LICENSE
PLATE, NOR CAN THEY PROHIBIT
WHAT IS ON THE FRAME THAT
SURROUNDS A LICENSE PLATE. THEY
CAN THAT, NOT THEY. BUT THE
STATE DOES PROHIBIT THE TYPE OF
COVER YOU HAVE ON YOUR LICENSE
PLATE, BECAUSE IT MIGHT
INTERFERE WITH READING. BUT
THERE WE GO. SO THIS IS HOW
SMALL IT IS HERE. OKAY. I DIDN'T
KNOW YOU HAD PROPS FOR US. I
SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT HIM OUT
EARLIER AFTER QUESTION, I WAS
LIKE, I SHOULD BRING IT OUT SO
IT'S NOT SORRY. AS YOU CAN SEE,
IT'S NOT VERY IT'S NOT VERY BIG.
YES. PASS IT AROUND SO FOLKS CAN
SEE. I BROUGHT MY BACKPACK FOR A
REASON. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY
MORE COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WELL,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? I WOULD, YOU
KNOW, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE
COMMENTS, THE ROBUST DISCUSSION,
I LOVE OUR COMMITTEE AND I LOVE
HOW COMMITTED WE ARE TO REALLY
THOROUGHLY VETTING THE
LEGISLATION THAT COMES BEFORE
US. THAT IS OUR ROLE AND THAT IS
OUR JOB. SO I WANT TO SAY THANK
YOU TO ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU TO,
MR. BOSTON AND HIS COMMENTS.
THANK YOU TO THE OPPONENT AND
THE REPRESENTATION THAT YOU HAVE
FOR THE GROUP. I APPRECIATE, THE
CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE, AND I
SHARE THEM, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR ME TO GET THIS
RIGHT, WHETHER IT BE IN THIS
COMMITTEE OR THE NEXT, TO ENSURE
THAT WE ARE PROTECTING ALL
CALIFORNIA AND CONTINUING IN THE
SAFEGUARDS ALL OF THE THINGS
THAT WE'VE DONE IN PLACE TO
ENSURE THAT THOSE WHO ARE
VULNERABLE AMONG US ARE
PROTECTED AND CONSIDER
CALIFORNIA AS A SAFE HAVEN, WITH
THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR AYE VOTE, AS WELL AS A
MOTION AND A SECOND. I HAVE A
MOTION. MOVE THE BILL SECOND.
ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD
AND DO ROLL CALL. THIS BILL IS
DUE PASS TO THE COMMITTEE ON
PRIVACY AND CONSUMER PROTECTION.
WILSON I WILSON I DAVIES NOT
VOTING. DAVIES. NOT VOTING.
AGUIAR-CURRY. AGUIAR-CURRY I
BERMAN. BERMAN I CARILLO I
CARILLO I HEART ART I HOOVER
HOOVER NOT VOTING JACKSON
JACKSON I LOWENTHAL LOWENTHAL I
PAPPIN HAPPEN I SANCHEZ SANCHEZ
NOT VOTING. TING TING I WALLACE
WALLACE NOT VOTING. WARD. WARD I
WICKS. WICKS I. WE HAVE 11 VOTES
AND THAT'S OUT. OKAY. GREAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU,
MADAM VICE CHAIR, ON YOUR FIRST
OPPORTUNITY TO CHAIR THE
COMMITTEE, MOVING ON TO, CONSENT
CALENDAR FOR THOSE MEMBERS TO
ADD ON, WE HAD NINE BILLS ON
CONSENT FILE ITEMS ONE, THREE,
FOUR, FIVE, NINE, TEN, 11, 12,
AND 15. MADAM SECRETARY DAVIES I
DAVIES I AGUIAR-CURRY
AGUIAR-CURRY I BERMAN. BERMAN I
HART. ART. HART I JACKSON.
JACKSON I WALLACE. WALLACE I
WARD. WARD I WICK WICKS I THAT
BILL IS OUT 15 ZERO. ALL RIGHT
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO AB
1778. CONNOLLY DAVIES I DAVIES I
AGUIAR-CURRY AGUIAR-CURRY I
BERMAN BERMAN I HART. HART I
JACKSON. JACKSON I WALLACE
WALLACE I WARD. WARD. NOT VOTING
WICKS. WICKS I. THAT BILL IS OUT
13. ITEM NUMBER SIX 2290.
FRIEDMAN DAVIES. NØ DAVIES. NØ
AGUIAR-CURRY. AGUIAR-CURRY. I
WASN'T ABLE TO HEAR YOU. I
BERMAN. BERMAN I HEART HART. I
JACKSON JACKSON I WALLACE WAS
THAT A NO. THAT'S A NO WARD WARD
I WICKS WICKS I. ALL RIGHT
THAT'S 11 FOR THAT. BILL IS OUT
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN I'M SORRY 2869
FRIEDMAN DAVIES. DAVIES I
AGUIAR-CURRY AGUIAR-CURRY I
BERMAN BERMAN I JACKSON JACKSON
I. WARD. WARD I WICKS. WICKS I.
THAT BILL IS OUT 12 ZERO. ITEM
NUMBER EIGHT AB 2525 ZERO.
DAVIES NÓ DAVIES. NØ BERMAN.
BERMAN I JACKSON. JACKSON I
WICKS. WICKS I. 11. THAT BILL IS
OUT 11 TO 4. MOVING ON TO ITEM
NUMBER 13 AB 2678 WALLACE BERMAN
BERMAN I WICKS. WICKS I THAT
BILL IS OUT 15 ZERO. MOVING ON
TO ITEM NUMBER 14 AB 2669 TÍNH
BERMAN BERMAN I WICKS. WICKS I.
THAT BILL IS OUT 14 OH WITH THAT
, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED