GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO THE
ASSEMBLY NATURAL RESOURCES
COMMITTEE HEARING. WE'VE GOT 21
MEASURES ON THE AGENDA TODAY. MY
GOOD FRIEND, ASSEMBLY MEMBER TOM
LACKEY, WILL BE SUBBING IN FOR
ASSEMBLY MEMBER MATHIS. THE
FOLLOWING NINE MEASURES ARE
PROPOSED FOR CONSENT. ITEM ONE
SB 941 SKINNER. ITEM THREE SB
972 MIN. ITEM FOUR SB 1014 DODD.
ITEM NINE SB 1101 LIMÓN. ITEM 11
SB 1136 STERN. ITEM 13 SB 1176
NIELLO. ITEM 15 SB 1207 DARLING.
ITEM 20 SB 1425 GONZALEZ. ITEM
21 SB 1433 LEMON SIX. THAT'S A
QUORUM. MADAM SECRETARY, CAN WE
ESTABLISH A QUORUM? RIGHT BRIAN.
HERE. BRIAN, HERE. FLORA. FLORA.
HERE. BAUER-KAHAN. BAUER-KAHAN
HERE. FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN. HERE.
HOOVER CHOLERA. LACKEY. LACKEY.
HERE MURATSUCHI. PELLERIN.
PELLERIN HERE. WICKS. WOOD WE
HAVE QUORUM. THANK YOU, MADAM
SECRETARY. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR
THAT MOTION ON THE CONSENT
CALENDAR, SECOND MOTION BY
PELLERIN BAUER-KAHAN AND
FRIEDMAN. SECOND BY FLORA.
BRIAN. AYE. BRIAN. AYE FLORA.
FLORA. AYE. BAUER-KAHAN.
BAUER-KAHAN AYE. FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN. AYE. HOOVER. KOLLER DE
LACKEY. OF COURSE. LACKEY. AYE.
MURATSUCHI PELLERIN. PELLERIN.
AYE. WICKS WOULD. IT HAS SIX
VOTES. THAT'S SIX. WE'LL LEAVE
IT OPEN. MADAM. PRO TEMPORE
EMERITUS. FOR SB 1342. I WILL
HOLD THAT MOTION UNTIL AFTER THE
PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. MR.
CHAIRMAN, COLLEAGUES, THANK YOU
SO MUCH, I AM HERE TODAY TO
PRESENT SB 1342. IT WOULD
AUTHORIZE, BUT NOT REQUIRE CEQA
STREAMLINING FOR TWO Kò CLEAN
ENERGY AND CLEAN WATER PROJECTS
IN THE SAN DIEGO REGION. THIS IS
THE SAME SEQUA STREAMLINED THE
LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR
APPROVED LAST SUMMER IN SB 149
FOR OTHER ENERGY, WATER AND
MICROCHIP INFRASTRUCTURE
PROJECTS. THE SAN VICENTE
PROJECT IS URGENTLY NEEDED FOR
CLEAN ENERGY AND LOAD SUPPORT IN
THE SAN DIEGO REGION TO SAVE
RATEPAYERS MILLIONS IN ENERGY
COSTS. THE SECOND PROJECT IS FOR
THE SOUTH BAY INTERNATIONAL
WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT,
WHICH URGENTLY NEEDS AN UPGRADE
AND POSSIBLY RECONSTRUCTION.
YEARS OF DELAY AND ONGOING
DISCHARGE OF RAW SEWAGE FROM THE
TREATMENT PLANT SPEWING INTO THE
PACIFIC OCEAN IN SAN DIEGO BAY
HAVE RESULTED IN CLOSURE OF
BEACHES AND ADVERSE HEALTH
EFFECTS FOR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
NOTHING IN CEQA STREAMLINING
WEAKENS ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION
OR THE RIGHTS OF PARTIES TO
CHALLENGE PROJECTS. IT SIMPLY
SPEEDS UP Kò CEQA PROCESSES TO
SHAVE MONTHS OR YEARS OFF OF
FINAL APPROVAL, THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS INDICATED THAT CURRENT
LAW MAY ALREADY STREAMLINE CEQA
FOR THE SAN VICENTE PUMP STORAGE
PROJECT. IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR
UNDER THE LAW, AND IF IT IS,
THERE'S NO HARM TO FURTHER
CLARIFICATION AND CERTAINTY.
EXTENDING CEQA STREAMLINING TO
THESE PROJECTS IS ENTIRELY
ELECTIVE AND AT THE OPTION OF
THE PROJECT APPLICANT. NOTHING
IN THIS MEASURE REQUIRES OR
SUGGESTS MANDATORY APPLICATION
OF THE LAW OR USE OF THE
STREAMLINING PROCESS. IF THE
PROJECT APPLICANT DETERMINES IT
DOES NOT WANT TO USE THE PROCESS
IN SB 1342, IT WILL NOT APPLY.
SO SB 1342 IS SPONSORED BY THE
SAN DIEGO WATER AUTHORITY. IT'S
SUPPORTED BY THE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES, THE
CARPENTERS, IRONWORKERS,
OPERATING ENGINEERS, TEAMS, AND
THE SAN DIEGO CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE AND OTHERS. I WOULD ASK
FOR YOUR SUPPORT WITH ME TODAY,
MR. CHAIR, AS THE KEY WITNESS IS
BOB GIRAUD, AND HE REPRESENTS
THE SPONSORS, THE SAN DIEGO
WATER AUTHORITY. THANK YOU, MR.
GERARD. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK
YOU, SENATOR ATKINS. AND THANK
YOU, MR. BRYANT AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. I'D LIKE TO FIRST THANK
MR. LINDBLOOM AND MARTHA, YOUR
COMMITTEE STAFF, FOR THEIR
EXCELLENT WORK ON THE ANALYSIS,
THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER
AUTHORITY IS A SPONSOR OF THE
BILL. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH
SENATOR ATKINS ON THE ON THE SAN
VICENTE PUMPED HYDRO PROJECT FOR
A NUMBER OF YEARS. IN FACT, I'M
ON A PERSONAL LOBBYING CAMPAIGN
TO HAVE IT TOMBSTONE AFTER
SENATOR ATKINS. I JUST I WANT TO
SAY THAT WE'RE THE SPONSORS OF
THE BILL. WE SUPPORT IT. AND,
I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR YOUR AYE
VOTE. AND BEFORE THE SUPPORTERS
COME UP, I'D LIKE TO SAY ON
BEHALF OF THE INTERNATIONAL
UNION AND PARTNERS AND ALLIED
TRADES THAT WE SUPPORT THE BILL
AS WELL. THANK YOU. MR. ROTH.
ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES HERE IN
THE HEARING ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE
TO REGISTER THEIR SUPPORT FOR
THIS MEASURE? MR. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS, MIKE WEST, ON BEHALF OF
THE STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MIKE, I
DON'T. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR.
CHAIR. MEMBERS. JAMES TH¤U
RICHTER WITH THE CALIFORNIA
STATE COUNCIL OF LABORERS IN
SUPPORT.
ALL RIGHT. ANY WITNESSES?
PRIMARY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION.
SEEING NONE. ANY PERSONS IN THE
HEARING ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO
REGISTER THEIR OPPOSITION.
SEEING NONE. WE'LL TURN IT BACK
TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS. ANY
QUESTIONS FOR THE AUTHOR? SEEING
NONE. MISS ATKINS WOULD YOU LIKE
TO CLOSE? WELL, THANK YOU SO
MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT. I HOPE
NOT TO HAVE A TOMBSTONE ANYTIME
SOON THAT YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON.
BUT THIS THIS PARTICULAR PIECE
OF LEGISLATION IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT TO MY REGION. AND IT
WILL BE SOMETHING, CERTAINLY,
THAT, WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT
ON. SO I ASK FOR YOUR I VOTE.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION BY
BARRY KHN, A SECOND BY MR.
FLORA AND MISS PELLERIN, THIS
BILL ENJOYS A DUE PASS RECORD
FROM THE CHAIR. MADAM SECRETARY,
CAN WE CALL THE ROLL? THE MOTION
IS DUE. PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
BRIAN I BRIAN I FLORA. FLORA. I
BAUER. KHN. FRIEDMAN. HOOVER
COLLURA LACKEY. LACKEY I
MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI I PELLERIN
. PELLERIN I WICKS. WOOD I'LL
LEAVE THE ROLL OPEN. THANK YOU.
SO I'VE GOT MR. NEWMAN SIGNED
IN. I DON'T SEE HIM. I'VE GOT
SENATOR WIENER SIGNED IN. I
DON'T SEE HIM. SENATOR DODD
POPPED IN AND OUT. THE FIRST
SENATOR WHO WALKS IN. YOU'RE
NEXT. I SAW SENATOR LARRY Tð.
YES CAN I ADD ON TO THAT? SURE.
LET'S OPEN THE ROLL BACK UP. THE
MOTION IS DUE. PASS THROUGH
APPROPRIATIONS. BAUER-KAHAN
BAUER KHN. I MIGHT AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
YOU WERE SITTING THERE. IN THE
SECTION. OKAY I RESPECT THAT.
IDEA. OH, HE SAID THERE
INAPPROPRIATE. THERE. UNTIL THE
SENATE.
I WAS SO GLAD TO BE.
MADAM SECRETARY, CAN WE OPEN THE
ROLL TO ADD SOME MURATSUCHI TO
THE CONSENT CALENDAR? ABSENT
MEMBERS. HOOVER COLLURA.
MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI I WICKS.
PERFECT. THANKS SO MUCH, SENATOR
NEWMAN. COME ON DOWN. SB 1113.
YEAH, I KNOW. WE GOT A WITNESS.
MAYBE GET HIM WHEN YOU'RE READY.
I DO NOT HAVE A WITNESS, MR.
CHAIR. MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT SB
1113, WHICH WHICH WILL EXTEND
THE SUNSET DATE ON TEN EXISTING
BEVERAGE CONTAINER RECYCLING
PILOTS ACROSS THE STATE. AS I'M
SURE THIS COMMITTEE IS AWARE,
THE CALIFORNIA BEVERAGE
CONTAINER RECYCLING AND
REDUCTION ACT, ENACTED IN 1986
AND OFTEN REFERRED TO AS THE
BOTTLE BILL, AUTHORIZED A FIVE
CENT FEE ON ALL CANS AND BOTTLES
TO BE COLLECTED FROM CONSUMERS
AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE
DEPOSITED INTO THE CALIFORNIA
BEVERAGE CONTAINER RECYCLING
FUND, OVERSEEN BY CALRECYCLE. AS
A RESULT OF CHANGES IN CONSUMER
BEHAVIOR AND OTHER CHALLENGES TO
RECYCLING BOTTLES AND CANS FROM
2013 TO 2022, CALIFORNIA SAW
MORE THAN HALF OF THE REDEMPTION
CENTERS ACROSS THE STATE SHUT
DOWN. UNSURPRISINGLY, THIS
RESULTED IN A MATERIAL DECREASE
IN RATES OF BEVERAGE CONTAINER
REDEMPTION ACROSS THE STATE FROM
THE HEALTHY OVERALL 74% AT THE
TIME TO A SUBOPTIMAL 58.5. IN
RESPONSE TO THAT DECLINE IN
RECYCLING AND REDEMPTION IN
2017, THE LEGISLATURE PASSED SB
458, AUTHORED BY SENATOR WIENER,
WHICH AUTHORIZED CALRECYCLE TO
ESTABLISH FIVE PILOT PROJECTS
WHICH WOULD EXPLORE INNOVATIVE
METHODS OF CAN AND BOTTLE
COLLECTION AND CRV FEE
REDEMPTION. SUBSEQUENT
LEGISLATION IN 2021 EXPANDED THE
PILOT PROGRAM TO TEN PROJECTS,
WHILE ALSO EXPANDING THE
ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR
PARTICIPATION. DUE TO THE USUAL
LAGS ASSOCIATED WITH
IMPLEMENTATION. HOWEVER, IT WAS
NOT UNTIL LATE 2023 THAT THE
NINTH OF THE 10TH AUTHORIZED
PILOTS WAS OPERATIONAL AT THE
TIME OF THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS
BILL, THE 10TH PILOT, LOCATED
HERE IN SACRAMENTO COUNTY, IS
STILL WORKING TOWARD ACHIEVING
OPERATIONAL STATUS. THESE PILOT
PROJECTS ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY
TO TEST AND IMPLEMENT RECYCLING
METHODS AND APPROACHES WHICH
THEY BELIEVE OFFER PROMISE
TOWARD INCREASING CRV RECYCLING
AND REDUCING LANDFILLING OF
THESE RECYCLABLE RESOURCES. AS
IT STANDS, THE EXISTING PILOT
AUTHORIZATION IS SET BY STATUTE
TO EXPIRE IN 2027, LEAVING THESE
PROJECTS WITH ONLY THREE YEARS
REMAINING. TO PROVE OUT THEIR
METHODS AND WITHOUT ANY
GUARANTEE OF CONTINUED OPERATION
OR THE SURETY NEEDED TO SEEK
OUTSIDE INVESTMENTS. WHILE THERE
HAVE BEEN MIXED RESULTS WITH
SOME OF THE INITIAL PILOT
PROJECTS, THE AMENDMENTS TAKEN
IN THE SENATE ENVIRONMENTAL
QUALITY COMMITTEE AFFIRM THAT
THESE PILOTS WILL BE
SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE RETAIL TAKE
BACK AND OTHER COOPERATIVE
ARRANGEMENTS NEGOTIATED IN 2022
UNDER SB 1013, AUTHORED BY
SENATOR ATKINS, WHICH EXPANDS
CRV FEES TO WINE AND LIQUOR
BOTTLES AND REQUIRES RETAILERS
TO CONDUCT IN-STORE TAKE BACK OR
FORM COOPERATIVES IN THEIR
SERVICE TERRITORIES. ONE OF THE
PILOTS AND THE SPONSOR OF THIS
LEGISLATION, RECYCLED FROM HOME,
OPERATES IN IRVINE IN MY
DISTRICT, OFFERING CURBSIDE
PICKUP FOR CANS AND BOTTLES AND
PROVIDING CUSTOMERS WITH
CONVENIENT CRV REDEMPTION
THROUGH AN APP. WHILE THIS MAY
NOT BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE METHOD
FOR ALL RECYCLING, THIS SERVICE
OFFERS THOSE WITH MOBILITY
ISSUES, TRANSPORTATION AND TIME
CONSTRAINTS, OR OTHER HINDRANCES
AN EASY WAY TO ACCESS CRV FEE
REDEMPTION. UNDER THE PROVISIONS
OF SB 1113, THE SERVICE AND THE
SERVICES THE OTHER POLICY
PROVIDED WILL BE AUTHORIZED
THROUGH 2034 AND WILL BE
SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE RETAIL TAKE
BACK MANDATES ENACTED UNDER SB
1013. I AM RESPECTFULLY ASKING
FOR YOUR. I VOTE THIS AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU, SENATOR NEWMAN. AND
NO WITNESSES I HAVE I'VE NEVER
DONE THAT IN THE SENATE. THAT'S
A THAT'S A SIGN OF A GOOD BILL,
SIR. YEAH ARE THERE ANY PERSONS
HERE IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER THEIR
SUPPORT? THERE IT IS. HELLO?
KAYLA ROBINSON, I'M ON BEHALF OF
THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF
LOCAL CONSERVATION CAUSE AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION IN
THE ROOM? ALSO, THE SIGN OF A
GOOD BILL. WELL PLAYED, WELL
PLAYED, QUESTIONS? COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. ASSEMBLYMAN BAUER KHN,
SENATOR, I JUST WANT TO THANK
YOU. THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT MY CONSTITUENTS
COMPLAIN ABOUT. THEY GO TO THE
GROCERY STORE, THEY PAY THESE
FEES, AND THEY HAVE THEY'RE
SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT
MONEY BACK, AND THEY HAVE NO WAY
OF ACTUALLY GETTING THAT MONEY
BACK. SO THEY SAID, WELL, AT
LEAST JUST CALL IT PART OF THE
COST. DON'T ACT LIKE I'M GOING
TO GET THE MONEY BACK IF I CAN.
AND THEY THEY REALLY SEE IT AS A
FAILURE ON OUR PART. SO I THINK
THAT THIS IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT. I HOPE WE WILL GO
FURTHER THAN THIS IN THE FUTURE,
BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT FIRST
STEP. I APPRECIATE THAT,
ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY
MR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE MR.
NEWMAN? NO, I APPRECIATE THE
COMMENTS, AND AGAIN THIS THIS
THIS BILL ONLY EXTENDS THE
SUNSET, IT DOESN'T DO ANY
MATERIAL CHANGES TO THE PROGRAM,
BUT THIS IS TO GIVE THOSE PILOTS
A CHANCE TO TEST AND PROVE OUT
THEIR METHODS, WHILE GIVING THEM
ALSO OPPORTUNITIES TO SECURE
OUTSIDE FINANCING IF NECESSARY.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR
VOTE. THANK YOU FOR THIS
LEADERSHIP ON THIS. WE'VE GOT A
MOTION BY MR. FLORES, A SECOND
BY MISS BAUER-KAHAN. THIS ENJOYS
A DUE PASS RECORD FROM THE
CHAIR. MADAM SECRETARY, CAN YOU
CALL THE ROLL? THE MOTION IS
DUE. PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
BRIAN. HI, BRIAN. I FLORA. FLORA
I BAUER KHN. BAUER KHN I
FRIEDMAN. HOOVER COLLURA LACKEY.
LACKEY I MURATSUCHI MURATSUCHI I
PELLERIN. PELLERIN I WICKS. WOOD
AND. WE'LL LEAVE THE ROLL OPEN
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. BUT THAT HAS
SIX VOTES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU. MEMBERS. THANK YOU.
SENATOR. I SEE SENATOR BLAKE
SPEERS HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO
COME DOWN AND DO BOTH OF YOUR
BILLS? I WOULD, IN FACT, I HAVE
THREE. YOU HAVE THREE? YES YOU
DO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO START WITH
1045? YES, I WOULD.
THANK YOU. CHAIR AND COLLEAGUES.
HELLO SB 1045 SIMPLY REQUIRES
THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND
RESEARCH, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS
OPR. I'M SORRY, JERRY, ARE YOU
READY FOR ME TO START? YES. OKAY
THANK YOU. I'LL CONTINUE. SB
1045 REQUIRES THE OFFICE OF
PLANNING AND RESEARCH, KNOWN AS
OPR, TO DEVELOP A MODEL
ORDINANCE FOR SITING COMPOST
FACILITIES AND REQUIRES LOCALS
TO CONSIDER THIS ADVISORY.
DEVELOPING THIS MUCH NEEDED
ORGANIC WASTE INFRASTRUCTURE IS
CRITICAL TO HAVING US MEET OUR
SB 1383 TARGETS, WHICH WE ARE
FAR FROM ACHIEVING. IN ORDER TO
MEET THESE TARGETS, CALRECYCLE
ESTIMATES THAT THE STATE NEEDS
APPROXIMATELY 50 TO 100 NEW OR
EXPANDED ORGANIC WASTE RECYCLING
FACILITIES. RIGHT NOW, ONE
OBSTACLE TO GETTING THESE
FACILITIES UP AND RUNNING IS THE
TIME CONSUMING AND COMPLICATED
PROCESS OF GETTING THEM SITED
AND PERMITTED TO ADDRESS THIS
ISSUE, A TECHNICAL ADVISORY
DEVELOPED BY OPR ON BEST
PRACTICES FOR FACILITATING THE
SITING OF COMPOST FACILITIES AND
REQUIRING LOCALS TO CONSIDER
THIS ADVISORY, WILL HELP
TREMENDOUSLY WITH THAT, I WOULD
LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY SPONSOR,
NEIL EDGAR, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF THE CALIFORNIA COMPOST
COALITION. MAY HE SPEAK?
ABSOLUTELY. GOOD AFTERNOON,
CHAIR RYAN AND MEMBERS. SO OUR
MEMBERS ARE PREDOMINANTLY
SERVICE PROVIDERS WHO PROVIDE
COMPOST AND ORGANICS MANAGEMENT
SERVICES FOR MUNICIPALITIES
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. AS
SENATOR MENTIONED, CALRECYCLE IS
PREDICTED THE STATE NEEDS TO
DOUBLE OUR EXISTING COMPOSTING
CAPACITY, ADDING SOME 50 TO 100
FACILITIES. SINCE SB 1383 HAS
PASSED IN 2016, WE'VE ADDED
ABOUT A DOZEN FACILITIES, ONLY
TWO OF WHICH ARE PERMITTED TO
TAKE FOOD WASTE, WHICH REQUIRES
A HIGHER BAR FOR PERMITTING. IN
MY DAY JOB, I PERMIT AND DEVELOP
COMPOSTING FACILITIES, HAVING
PERMITTED 44 FACILITIES IN 23
COUNTIES, I KNOW FIRSTHAND THE
CHALLENGES OF GETTING THEM ON
THE GROUND AND OPERATING ACROSS
THE STATE. THIS BILL IS INTENDED
TO RESOLVE ONE OF THE KEY
HURDLES, AND WE ARE FACING
MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS
CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE LAYER BY
PROVIDING MODEL ZONING,
ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS HAVE EVERY INCENTIVE
TO PLAN FOR AND PERMIT ORGANIC
WASTE FACILITIES IN THE INTEREST
OF MEETING SB 1383 REQUIREMENTS.
I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE
THE RIGHT TOOLS TO RESOLVE THE
ISSUES THAT DELAY NUMEROUS
PROJECTS. THIS BILL WILL HELP
PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE TOOLS.
AGREEMEN. ONE OF OUR MEMBERS
SPENT 12 YEARS TO COMPLETE TWO
ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS IN
VENTURA COUNTY TO EXPAND AN
EXISTING FACILITY, LARGELY
BECAUSE THE ZONING ORDINANCE DID
NOT EXPLICITLY ALLOW THE
COMMERCIAL COMPOSTING OPERATIONS
ON AGRICULTURALLY ZONED LAND. WE
THINK CLOSING THE LOOP ON
ORGANIC MATERIALS WILL REQUIRE,
IN PART, THAT COMPOST BE
RETURNED TO AGRICULTURAL LAND
AND LOCAL SOLUTIONS ARE
IMPORTANT TO LIMITING
TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS. WE
APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE'S STAFF
WORK ON THE ANALYSIS, AND I WANT
TO THANK SENATOR BLAKESTER FOR
BRINGING THAT SB 1045 FORWARD.
THANK YOU, SIR, ARE THERE ANY
PERSONS IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER THEIR
SUPPORT FOR THIS MEASURE?
FIRSTLY, KUDOS HERE ON BEHALF OF
STOP WASTE AND SUPPORT. SORRY,
JOHN KENNEDY WITH RURAL COUNTY
REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA
AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MELISSA
SPARKS KRANZ WITH THE LEAGUE OF
CALIFORNIA CITIES AND SUPPORT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MIKE CAPRIO WITH
REPUBLIC SERVICES HERE IN
SUPPORT. TONY HACKETT WITH
CALIFORNIANS AGAINST WASTE IN
SUPPORT. HI, STEPHANIE MORROW ON
BEHALF OF RECOLOGY AND SUPPORT,
THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE ANY
PERSONS IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER THEIR
OPPOSITION TO THIS MEASURE?
SEEING NONE, WE'LL TURN IT BACK
TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SO, MEMBER
FLORES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK
SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
US INTO YOUR, YOU KNOW, SPONSOR
OF THE BILL, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR
CONCERNS ON THE PERMITTING
ISSUE. AND I'M EXCITED THAT, THE
SPEAKER OF OUR HOUSE HAS CREATED
A SELECT COMMITTEE CHAIRED BY
MR. OR MRS. BUFFY WICKS TOMORROW
AT 9:00, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE
DEALING WITH SOME OF THE
CHALLENGES OF PERMITTING IN THE
STATE. SO IF WE'RE ACTUALLY
GOING TO MEET THE STATE'S GOALS,
I THINK THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS
THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK
AT, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE
GOALS. BUT IF WE CAN'T BUILD
INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE NEVER
GOING TO MEET THEM. SO THANK YOU
. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
COLLEAGUES SEEING NONE. WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE, SENATOR
BLAKESLEE? I RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR YOUR AYE VOTE. ABSOLUTELY.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES MOTION
BY MR. FLORES, SECOND BY MR.
MURATSUCHI. THIS BILL ENJOYS A
DUE PASS FROM THE CHAIR. MADAM
SECRETARY, CAN WE CALL THE ROLL?
MOTION IS DUE. PASS TO LOCAL
GOVERNMENT. BRIAN. HI, BRIAN. I
FLORA. FLORA. I BAUER-KAHAN
BARBARA. KHN I FRIEDMAN.
HOOVER. CHOLERA LACKEY. NOT
VOTING. LACKEY. NOT VOTING.
MURATSUCHI. MURATSUCHI I
PELLERIN. PELLERIN I WICKS WOULD
. HAS FIVE WILL LEAVE THE ROLL
OPEN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE ON
TO 1077? YES. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU. CHAIR AND COLLEAGUES,
BEFORE I BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO
STATE THAT I ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEE'S PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH MY
STAFF TO WORK THAT OUT. AS YOU
KNOW, CALIFORNIA IS IN A HOUSING
CRISIS OF UNPRECEDENTED
MAGNITUDE. SINCE 2010,
HOMELESSNESS HAS SKYROCKETED 50.
AND LAST YEAR, 180,000
CALIFORNIANS DID NOT LIVE
INSIDE. WE IN THE LEGISLATURE
HAVE PASSED OVER 100 BILLS TO
ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS
CRISIS, WHICH IS THE
UNDERPRODUCTION OF HOUSING. ONE
OF THE MOST NOTABLE SUCCESSES WE
HAVE SEEN SO FAR HAS BEEN THE
STATE'S LOOSENING OF
RESTRICTIONS TO ADDING ACCESSORY
DWELLING UNITS, OR ADUS, TO
RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. DESPITE
THESE CHANGES, HOMEOWNERS IN THE
COASTAL ZONE FACE ADMINISTRATIVE
CHALLENGES TO PERMITTING ADUS OR
J. ADU PROJECTS. THESE
CHALLENGES MAKE PROJECTS COST
PROHIBITIVE FOR ALL BUT THE
WEALTHIEST OR MOST DETERMINED
HOMEOWNERS. CITIES AND COUNTIES
IN THE COASTAL ZONE REPORT THAT
THE ADU DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS
ENFORCED BY THE COASTAL
COMMISSION CONFLICT WITH THE
MINIMUM ADU ORDINANCE STANDARDS
ENFORCED BY HCD. THE DEPARTMENT
OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT, SB 1077 WILL DIRECT
COASTAL COMMISSION AND HCD TO
DEVELOP, SOLICIT PUBLIC
FEEDBACK, AND PUBLISH UNIFIED
GUIDANCE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
ON HOW THEY MUST UPDATE THEIR
ADU ORDINANCES AND THEIR LOCAL
COASTAL PROGRAMS. LCP TO COMPLY
WITH THE COASTAL ACT AND THE
GOVERNMENT CODE. THIS EXERCISE
WILL ALLOW HCD AND COASTAL
COMMISSION TO EXAMINE AND
RESOLVE CONFLICTS IN HOW THEY
ENFORCE THE LAW. THIS WILL
ADDRESS THE LOGJAM IN ADU
PERMITTING AND PROMOTE
PRODUCTION OF NATURALLY
AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK IN THE
COASTAL ZONE. NOW, I'D LIKE TO
INTRODUCE MY WITNESS IN SUPPORT,
LOUIS MERANTE, VICE PRESIDENT OF
PUBLIC POLICY AT THE BAY AREA
COUNCIL. IF HE IS IN THE ROOM.
LOUIS IS NOT IN THE ROOM, BUT HE
IS A FREQUENT FLIER IN THIS
COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, HE
WAS GOING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT.
OKAY. ARE THERE OTHER PERSONS IN
THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO
REGISTER THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS
MEASURE? AND LOUIS, IF YOU'RE
WATCHING, THIS IS YOUR MOMENT TO
WALK RIGHT IN FOR US HERE ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SANTA
MONICA IN SUPPORT BRIAN LEAHY ON
AARP, VOLUNTEER AND OUR 3.2
MEMBERS IN SUPPORT. CHAIR
MEMBERS MAX PERRY, ON BEHALF OF
THE CITY OF LONG BEACH IN
SUPPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR.
CHAIR. MEMBERS. MOIRA TAFF, ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO
AND SUPPORT CATHERINE CHARLES,
BEHALF OF THE HOUSING ACTION
COALITION, IN SUPPORT.
AFTERNOON. MARK NEWBERGER, ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS
THERE ANY OPPOSITION HERE IN THE
HEARING ROOM? NONE WHATSOEVER.
WELL PLAYED SENATOR. WE'LL TURN
IT BACK TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS,
CONCERNS. SEEING NONE. WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE, YES, SO I
APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS
BILL. THIS IS A GOOD GOVERNANCE
BILL COMING FROM A LOCAL CITY.
AND SERVING AS THE MAYOR OF A
COASTAL CITY. WE RAN INTO TRUE
PROBLEMS WITH HCD'S REQUIREMENTS
AND COASTAL COMMISSION PROCESS
AND REQUIREMENTS. SO HOPEFULLY
THIS BILL WILL HELP SOLVE THAT
FOR CITIES IN THE FUTURE. AND
WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET, CITIES, IN
THE COASTAL ZONE TO BE ABLE TO
HAVE ADU PROCESSES THAT ARE MORE
DIRECT AND STREAMLINED. AND WITH
THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR I VOTE. THANK YOU SO MUCH,
SENATOR, THIS MEASURE HAS A Dð
PASS FROM THE CHAIR. MADAM, WE
HAVE A MOTION BY MR. FLORES. A
SECOND. BY MISS BAUER-KAHAN.
YES, SURE. THANK YOU, MADAM
SECRETARY. CAN WE CALL THE ROLL?
THE MOTION IS TO PASS AS
AMENDED. HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT. BRIAN Ã. BRIAN.
AYE. FLORA. FLORA. AYE.
BAUER-KAHAN BAUER-KAHAN. AYE.
FRIEDMAN. HOOVER CHOLERA. LAKI.
LAKI AYE. MURATSUCHI.
MURATSUCHI. AYE. PELLERIN.
PELLER AN AYE. WIX WOULD YOU
HAVE SIX? THAT HAS SIX BOOKS. WE
WILL, WE WILL LEAVE THE ROLL
OPEN. SENATOR BLAKE, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO GO TO 1092? YES. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH MY
NATURAL RESOURCES BILLS. I
APPRECIATE IT. SB 1092 HELLO.
WILL REQUIRE THE COASTAL
COMMISSION TO STUDY AND PROVIDE
A REPORT TO THE LEGISLATURE
REGARDING ITS TIMELINES FOR
REVIEW OF COASTAL DEVELOPMENT
PERMIT APPEALS AND THE FACTORS
THAT CAN DRIVE ABOVE AVERAGE
TIMELINES FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS.
CALIFORNIA'S HOUSING AND
HOMELESSNESS CRISIS IS A
CONSEQUENCE OF THE STATE'S
FAILURE TO PLAN FOR AND PERMIT
HOUSING CONSTRUCTION AT A RATE
COMMENSURATE TO CALIFORNIA'S
POPULATION AND ECONOMIC GROWTH.
COMPLICATED PERMITTING PROCESS
AND LONG APPROVAL TIMELINES
THREATEN THE VIABILITY OF
HOUSING PROJECTS. THIS IS
ESPECIALLY TRUE FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING PROJECTS, WHICH BY
NATURE HAVE LIMITED PROFIT
MARGINS TO ADDRESS THIS, THE
LEGISLATURE HAS PASSED LAWS TO
REDUCE ADMINISTRATIVE BARRIERS
AND PERMITTING TIMELINES FOR
HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND
ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE AREAS OF
THE STATE. THESE EVIDENCE BASED
LAWS FOCUS ON REDUCING RISK IN
THE PERMITTING PROCESS IN
COASTAL ZONES, THE CDP OR
COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT
PROCESS STILL IMPOSES A HIGH
DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY AND RISK
FOR HOUSING DEVELOPERS. THAT'S
BECAUSE APPEALS OF LOCAL
GOVERNMENT CDP APPROVALS CAN
DRAG ON FOR YEARS, WHICH CAN
MAKE PROJECTS FINANCIALLY
INFEASIBLE. THIS CAN MAKE THE
COASTAL ZONE A HOSTILE PLACE FOR
BUILDERS TO BUILD, AND THIS IS
ESPECIALLY THE CASE FOR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILDERS. SB
1092 WILL REQUIRE THE COASTAL
COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE THE
CAUSES OF THESE LONG APPEAL
TIMELINES AND REPORT FINDINGS TO
THE LEGISLATURE. THE LAST POINT
THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT
THE CDP APPEALS PROCESS AND ITS
IMPACT ON DISCOURAGING HOUSING
PROJECTS, CREATES CHALLENGES FOR
COASTAL AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
THE RINA PROCESS REQUIRES LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS TO PLAN FOR AND
PERMIT LEVELS OF HOUSING
PRODUCTION THAT AFFIRMATIVELY
FURTHER ACCESS TO HOUSING FOR
ALL, REGARDLESS OF INCOME. AND
SINCE MANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING
DEVELOPERS AVOID BUILDING IN THE
COASTAL ZONE BECAUSE OF THE
UNCERTAINTY, CDP APPEALS MAKE IT
MORE DIFFICULT FOR LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS ON THE COAST TO MEET
THEIR STATE HOUSING MANDATES.
WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO
INTRODUCE SEAN DRAKE FROM THE
CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION TO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF
SB 1092. THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE TODAY. THANK YOU, AND GOOD
AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. SEAN DRAKE WITH THE
CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION.
THE COASTAL COMMISSION SUPPORTS
SB 1092, WHICH WOULD DIRECT THE
COMMISSION TO PREPARE A REPORT
ON THE FREQUENCY AND TIMING OF
APPEALS OF LOCALLY APPROVED
COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMITS IN
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COASTAL
ZONE, ABOUT 88% ISSUING COASTAL
DEVELOPMENT PERMITS AS THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS, NOT THE COASTAL
COMMISSION. IN THESE AREAS, THE
COMMISSION'S PRIMARY FUNCTION IS
TO SERVE AS AN APPELLATE BODY
THAT REVIEWS LOCAL PERMIT
DECISIONS THAT ARE APPEALED TO
THE COMMISSION. THE APPEAL
PROCESS IS AN IMPORTANT FEATURE
OF THE COASTAL ACT, BECAUSE IT
ALLOWS THE STATE TO MAINTAIN A
MEASURE OF OVERSIGHT OVER LOCAL
DECISIONS INVOLVING CERTAIN
SENSITIVE COASTAL AREAS. THE
COMMISSION BELIEVES THE APPEAL
PROCESS SHOULD SERVE THIS
PURPOSE EFFICIENTLY AND WITHOUT
UNDUE DELAYS TO PROJECTS.
UNFORTUNATELY, IN RECENT YEARS,
THE COMMISSION HAS ENCOUNTERED A
GROWING AMOUNT OF MISPERCEPTIONS
AMONG THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE
APPEAL PROCESS. WHILE THE
COMMISSION HAS MADE EFFORTS TO
EDUCATE PROJECT APPLICANTS AND
THE PUBLIC WITH ACCURATE
INFORMATION, WE BELIEVE IT WOULD
ALSO BE BENEFICIAL TO FOR THE
COMMISSION TO PROGRAMMATICALLY
TRACK, ANALYZE AND PUBLISH DATA
ABOUT APPEALS, WHICH IS
SOMETHING THE COMMISSION
HISTORICALLY HASN'T HAD THE
CAPACITY TO DO. SB 1092 WOULD
TAKE A STEP TOWARD ADDRESSING
THAT INFORMATION GAP BY
DIRECTING THE COMMISSION TO
PREPARE A REPORT THAT GATHERS
AND ANALYZES DATA FROM THE LAST
FOUR YEARS OF LOCAL COASTAL
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ACTIONS. THIS
DATA WOULD PROVIDE UNAMBIGUOUS,
OBJECTIVE FACTS ABOUT HOW OFTEN
PERMIT APPEALS OCCUR AND HOW
LONG THEY TAKE IN DOING SO, THIS
REPORT WOULD LEVEL SET THE
PUBLIC DISCOURSE ABOUT THE
COASTAL ACT'S APPEAL PROCESS AND
ALSO PROVIDE A FACTUAL
FOUNDATION FOR THE COMMISSION
AND THE LEGISLATURE TO CONSIDER
WHETHER AND HOW ANY ADJUSTMENTS
TO THE APPEAL PROCESS WOULD BE
BENEFICIAL. WE APPRECIATE THE
AUTHOR'S PARTNERSHIP AND
ADVANCING THE BILL IN THIS FORM,
AND HER COMMITMENT TO USING
FACTS AND DATA TO INFORM
THOUGHTFUL LEGISLATION. WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN AYE VOTE
. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE
ANY PERSONS HERE IN THE HEARING
ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER
THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS MEASURE?
CATHERINE CHARLES, AGAIN, ON
BEHALF OF THE HOUSING ACTION
COALITION IN SUPPORT. TAXPAYER.
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF LONG
BEACH IN SUPPORT. MOYAMOYA TOP.
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SAN
DIEGO IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU SO
MUCH. ARE THERE ANY PERSONS IN
THE HEARING ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE
TO REGISTER THEIR OPPOSITION TO
THIS MEASURE? SEEING NONE, WE'LL
TURN IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. NOTHING. SENATOR
BREAKSPEARE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CLOSE? I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR
YOUR. I VOTE WE HAVE A MOTION BY
MR. FLORES, A SECOND BY MISS
PELLERIN. I THINK THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT MEASURE, WE HAVE HAD
MANY DEBATES, NOT JUST IN THIS
COMMITTEE, BUT OUT IN THE PUBLIC
AND IN THE OTHER HOUSE ABOUT
THESE THE APPEAL PROCESS, ABOUT
THE DELAYS, THE COASTAL
COMMISSION IS OFTEN BLAMED FOR
STOPPING DEVELOPMENT, IN SOME
CASES THERE MAY BE SOME TRUTH TO
THAT. IN SOME CASES THERE JUST
ISN'T, THE FACT THAT THIS DATA
ISN'T COLLECTED IN A
COMPREHENSIVE WAY FOR US TO
EVALUATE AND USE IT TO INFORM
BOTH NARRATIVE AND DECISION
MAKING. I THINK YOU'RE STEPPING
INTO THAT GAP. SO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR LEADERSHIP. THIS BILL
ENJOYS A DUE PASS FROM THE
CHAIR. MADAM SECRETARY, CAN WE
CALL THE ROLL? THE MOTION IS DUE
PASS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT. BRIAN
HI BRIAN I FLORA FLORA I
BAUER-KAHAN BAUER-KAHAN I
FRIEDMAN. HOOVER CHOLERA LACKEY.
LACKEY I MURATSUCHI PELLERIN I
PELLERIN I WICKS WOULD THANK
YOU. WE'LL LEAVE THE ROLL OPEN.
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR
TRIFECTA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU,
LET'S DO ONE. SENATOR WIENER, SB
, SB 951, WHEN YOU'RE READY,
I'LL MAKE YOU PASS. I'M NOT SURE
IF THIS BILL. WHAT ARE YOU
TRYING TO SAY? MAYBE. PICTURE
OH, I WAS LIKE, OH, I DIDN'T
BRING THAT. HAPPY TO HAVE
PICTURES. I WAS LIKE, OH GOD,
YOU CAN BE GOOD. YEAH. THANK
YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU
FOR WORKING WITH US ON THIS,
BILL. WE'RE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THE
COMMITTEE AMENDMENT, REGARDING
EMAIL NOTICE TO THE COMMISSION,
THIS BILL, DOES TWO SIMPLE
THINGS, THE FIRST, IT ALIGNS
WITH THE DEADLINE TO RESERVE
REZONE PURSUANT TO AN APPROVED
HOUSING ELEMENT WITH A DEADLINE
TO, APPROVE, LOCAL COASTAL PLAN
AMENDMENT, RIGHT NOW, CITIES,
ONCE THEY HAVE AN APPROVED
HOUSING ELEMENT, HAVE USUALLY
EITHER 1 OR 3 YEARS TO REZONE
AND CONFORMITY WITH THAT HOUSING
ELEMENT, IF THEY'RE IN THE
COASTAL ZONE, OF COURSE, THAT
REQUIRES AN LCP AMENDMENT, AND
IT COULD PUT A CITY IN A
POSITION WHERE THEY MISS THEIR
DEADLINE HÌNH TO REZONE PER THE
HOUSING ELEMENT, BECAUSE AN LCP
AMENDMENT APPROVAL IS TAKING A
LONG TIME. SO THIS ALIGNS THE
TWO TIMELINES. THE SECOND THING
IT DOES, IS RIGHT NOW, IN TERMS
OF ONE ASPECT OF APPELLATE
JURISDICTION OF THE COASTAL
COMMISSION, THERE ARE SITUATIONS
WHERE, THE COMMISSION HAS
APPELLATE, SOMEONE CAN APPEAL TO
THE COMMISSION IN COUNTIES, BUT
NOT IN CITIES, AND THE RATIONALE
FOR THAT IS THAT, COASTAL
COUNTIES ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE
RURAL AND HAVE MORE SENSITIVE OF
COASTAL RESOURCES. CITIES ARE
LESS LIKELY TO BE. SO, THE A
CERTAIN CITY AND COUNTY IS
TREATED AS A COUNTY, NOT AS A
CITY, EVEN THOUGH SAN FRANCISCO
IS MANY THINGS, BUT IT IS NOT A
RURAL AREA. AND SO THE BILL WILL
SIMPLY CLASSIFY SAN FRANCISCO AS
A CITY FOR PURPOSES OF THIS
APPELLATE JURISDICTION. WE HAVE
WORKED INTENSIVELY WITH THE
COASTAL COMMISSION. THEY THE
COMMISSION REMOVED ITS
OPPOSITION IN THE SENATE, AS DID
A LARGE LIST OF ENVIRONMENTAL
ORGANIZATIONS. ÓRDENES AND I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU, SENATOR, YOUR
WITNESS. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR
MEMBERS, MY NAME IS CATHERINE
CHARLES, AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF
OF THE HOUSING ACTION COALITION.
AGAIN IN SUPPORT OF SB 951, AS
THE SENATOR MENTIONED, SB 951
INTRODUCES TWO COMMON SENSE
REFORMS. FIRST, EXISTING LAW
ALLOWS PROJECTS WITHIN THE
COASTAL ZONE AND COASTAL
COUNTIES TO BE APPEALED TO THE
COMMISSION. IF A PROJECT DOES
NOT CONFORM WITH THE MAIN
PERMITTED USE. THIS HAS ALLOWED
THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A HAND IN
CONSERVING AGRICULTURAL LANDS
ACROSS THE COAST. HOWEVER, THIS
PROVISION IS INTENDED TO APPLY
TO RURAL COUNTIES, AS THE
SENATOR MENTIONED, NOT URBAN SAN
FRANCISCO, WHICH IS BOTH A CITY
AND A COUNTY. SB 951 REFINES ITS
APPEAL, MAINTAINING ITS
APPLICATION IN RURAL CALIFORNIA
WHILE TREATING SAN FRANCISCO
LIKE THE CITY. IT IS. SECOND,
WHEN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE
REQUIRED TO UPZONE BY HCD,
THEY'RE TYPICALLY GIVEN 1 TO 3
YEARS TO COMPLY. THESE REQUIRED
ACTIONS OFTEN RESULT IN UPDATES
TO LCP, WHICH ARE REQUIRED OR
WHICH REQUIRE COASTAL COMMISSION
REVIEW, WHICH OBVIOUSLY TAKES
TIME. LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OFTEN
END UP STUCK BETWEEN TWO STATE
AGENCIES WORKING ON TWO VERY
DIFFERENT SCHEDULES. SB 951
ALIGNS THESE PROCESSES, GIVING 1
TO 3 YEARS TO BOTH THE REQUIRED
UPZONING AND ITS ASSOCIATED LCP
UPDATE. THIS BILL SIMPLY
PROVIDES CLARITY FOR LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS WHILE MAINTAINING
COASTAL RESOURCE PROTECTION TO,
MOST IMPORTANTLY, HELP
CALIFORNIA ACHIEVE ITS HOUSING
GOALS. AND WITH THAT, I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I VOTE
. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE
ANY PERSONS IN THE HEARING ROOM
WHO WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER THEIR
SUPPORT FOR THIS MEASURE?
FALSE ALARM. FALSE ALARM,
MELISSA SPARKS KRANZ WITH THE
LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES, WE
JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR
APPRECIATION TO THE AUTHOR. HIS
STAFF, THE COMMITTEE FOR WORKING
WITH US TO GET TO A NEUTRAL
POSITION WITH THE LATEST
AMENDMENTS. SO THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE
THERE ANY PERSONS IN THE HEARING
ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER
THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS MEASURE
? MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS, PAUL
YODER, ON BEHALF OF A CERTAIN
CITY AND COUNTY, STILL IN
OPPOSITION TO THE BILL, THE CITY
AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO
WOULD LIKE AND THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS, WHICH VOTED
UNANIMOUSLY TO OPPOSE THE BILL,
RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT SECTION
TWO OF THE BILL BE REMOVED. YEAH
THANK YOU. IT WAS NOT UNANIMOUS,
BY THE WAY. ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL
WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL TURN IT BACK,
TURN IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. ANY QUESTIONS?
COMMENTS? SENATOR BAUER, CAN I
WONDER IF ANYTHING IN SAN
FRANCISCO IS EVER UNANIMOUS?
ONCE IN A WHILE, ONCE IN A
WHILE. OKAY, SO, SO THANK YOU
FOR THE OVERVIEW OF THE BILL,
SENATOR, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WAS
THIS IS COMPLICATED STUFF FOR
THOSE OF US THAT DON'T WORK IN
THIS AREA OF THE LAW, WHICH
WHICH I AM ONE, I'M GATHERING
FROM THE COMMENTS BY THE CITY OF
SAN FRANCISCO THAT THIS THE
ANSWER MIGHT BE ONE I'M
FAVORABLE TO, BUT WE'VE SEEN IN
SAN FRANCISCO RECENTLY A ZONING
CHANGE THAT WOULD HAVE REDUCED
THE HOUSING BEING BUILT IN THE
CITY, THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU
HAVE LOSING THIS APPEAL, DOES IT
MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO MAKE
SUCH ZONING CHANGES OR HARDER,
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I,
I, AND I WAS VOCALLY OPPOSED TO
THAT DOWN ZONING AS WELL, AND
THE MAYOR VETOED IT AND IT WAS
OVERRIDDEN, THAT AREA OF COURSE,
THAT WAS NOT IN THE COASTAL
ZONE, SAN FRANCISCO. IT'S A FEW
BLOCKS ON THE WEST SIDE, AND SO
IF THEY, I THINK THE STATE WOULD
HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY IF THEY
STARTED ENGAGING IN OTHER, DOWN
ZONING, BECAUSE YOU CAN VIOLATE
THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT
OR ACTUALLY, IT WAS SB, 330
THERE ARE VARIOUS STATE LAWS
THAT ARE POTENTIALLY VIOLATED.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NEEDS
TO JUST STOP DOING THAT. WAIT,
NO, I UNDERSTAND THEY NEED TO
STOP DOING THAT. AND I ALSO
UNDERSTAND THE PART OF THE CITY
DOESN'T APPLY TO, BUT THEY COULD
DO IT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY, OBVIOUSLY. SO I KNOW THEY
NEED TO STOP DOING IT. BUT I'M
WONDERING IF WE'RE MAKING IT
EASIER BY REMOVING ONE OF THE
APPEALS FOR THEM TO DO THAT. I
DON'T YOU DON'T THINK SO? OKAY.
NO. AND I KNOW YOU'RE OPPOSED TO
THAT. SO I THINK WE SHARE A
INTEREST HERE. I'M GLAD WE
AGREE. NO, ACTUALLY, THE APPEALS
THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE
ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY
RIGHTS. NOT NOT ABOUT A
REZONING. SO THAT'S IT'S IF YOU
HAVE, YOU KNOW, A, A ZONING THAT
ALLOWS, TWO DIFFERENT USES AND
YOU'RE GOING WITH THE SECONDARY
USE, NOT THE PRIMARY USE IN
COUNTIES THAT MAKES IT
APPEALABLE IN CITIES IT DOES
NOT. SO IT'S ABOUT THE
INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, NOT ABOUT A
REZONING. GOT IT. I APPRECIATE
THAT FOR THE FOR THE OTHER PIECE
OF THE BILL, THE LCP WOULD IT
WOULD THE ALIGNMENT IS WITH THE
HOUSING ELEMENT THAT'S BEEN
APPROVED BY THE STATE. PERFECT.
AWESOME. THANK YOU. SENATOR
SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
MEMBERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE
SENATOR WIENER RESPECTFULLY ASK
FOR AN AYE VOTE. DO WE HAVE A
MOTION? MOTION BY BAUER-KAHAN.
SECOND BY MR. FLORA, SEEING AS
THE ENTIRE SAN FRANCISCO
DELEGATION IN THE STATE SENATE
IS BEHIND THIS BILL, IT ENJOYS A
Dð PASS FROM THE CHAIR. MADAM
SECRETARY, CAN WE CALL THE ROLL?
THE MOTION IS TO PASS, AS
AMENDED. THE HOUSING AND
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. BRIAN.
HI, BRIAN. AYE, FLORA. FLORA.
AYE. BAUER-KAHAN. BAUER-KAHAN.
AYE FRIEDMAN. HOOVER. COLLURA.
LACKEY Â. MURATSUCHI PELLERIN.
PELLERIN. AYE. WICKS WOULD.
WE'LL LEAVE THE ROLE OPEN. THANK
YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.
COLLEAGUE SO SENATOR DODD DID
SIGN IN PRETTY EARLY. I BELIEVE
THAT MAKES YOU NEXT, SIR. THAT'S
A BEAUTIFUL THING. WELL, FOR
SOME PEOPLE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND
MEMBERS, TODAY I'M PRESENTING SB
1159 REGARDING ROADSIDE WILDFIRE
RISK REDUCTION. I'LL START BY
ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE
AMENDMENTS AND THANKING THE
CHAIR AND COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
WORKING WITH US. THE BILL
REQUIRES THAT BY JANUARY 1ST,
2026, THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND
RESEARCH, IN CONSULTATION WITH
THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS,
EVALUATES A CATEGORICAL
CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION FOR
ROADSIDE VEGETATION MANAGEMENT
PROJECTS THAT REDUCE WILDFIRE
RISK AND MEET APPROPRIATE
CONDITIONS, WHICH THE SECRETARY
OF NATURAL RESOURCES MUST
CONSIDER. SB 1159 DOES NOT
CREATE A STATUTORY EXEMPTION.
RATHER, IT STATES THAT THE
ROADSIDE VEGETATION MANAGEMENT
IS A LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY AND
THAT PROJECTS UNDERTAKING THIS
PROGRAM ARE MEETING APPROPRIATE
SAFEGUARDS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED
FOR INCLUSION ON THE LIST OF
CATEGORICAL, CATEGORICALLY
EXEMPT PROJECTS. OPR AND THE
SECRETARY OF ARE ALREADY HAVE A
HISTORY OF EVALUATING
APPROPRIATELY TAILORING
CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIONS. ROADSIDE
IGNITIONS ARE A SIGNIFICANT
SOURCE OF WILDFIRES. WHEN A
SPARK FROM A PASSING VEHICLE OR
CIGARET COMES INTO CONTACT WITH
DRY BRUSH AND GRASS VEGETATION
MANAGEMENT ALONG ROADSIDES IS
HIGHLY EFFECTIVE AT LIMITING THE
SPREAD OF THESE IGNITIONS AND
ALSO DECREASES THE POTENTIAL FOR
AN EXISTING WILDFIRE TO SPREAD
ACROSS THE ROAD. WITH THOUSANDS
OF MILES OF ROADS AND WILDFIRE
PRONE LANDS, ROADSIDE VEGETATION
MANAGEMENT IS CONSTANTLY
REQUIRED TO LOOK AT, LOOK TO
MINIMIZE THE RISK OF
UNCONTROLLED FIRES, AN EXEMPTION
FOR ROADSIDE VEGETATION
MANAGEMENT PROJECTS WOULD VASTLY
INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF ROADSIDE
VEGETATION MANAGEMENT WORK THAT
CAN BE COMPLETED IN A GIVEN
AMOUNT OF TIME. THE BILL IS
SUPPORTED BY THE CALIFORNIA FIRE
CHIEFS CBIA NUMEROUS COUNTIES
AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. WITH ME
HERE TODAY IS FIRE CHIEF DAVE
WHITAKER, REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA FIRE CHIEFS
ASSOCIATION. YES, SIR. WHENEVER
YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU,
SENATOR. THANK YOU, CHAIR,
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. AND,
OF COURSE, MEMBER BURKE, WHO IS
A MEMBER OF THE DISTRICT, HAS
BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ALL OF
OUR EFFORTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD
INTO A FIRE PRONE FUTURE. WE'RE
CERTAINLY SEEING THAT THIS WEEK,
WHERE NUMEROUS FIRES HAVE BROKEN
10,000 ACRES AND SEVERAL ARE
BEING CONTAINED THROUGH
FIREFIGHTERS EFFORTS ANCHORING
ON EXISTING ROADS, SOME OF WHICH
HAVE MITIGATED ROADSIDE
SHOULDERS. COMBINED WITH THE
POTENTIAL VERY REAL POTENTIAL
FOR SHRINKING STATE BUDGETS.
WITH REGARD TO WILDFIRE RISK
REDUCTION ACTIVITIES, I THINK
IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE FIND
WAYS TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH
THE ALLOCATION OF THESE
MITIGATION DOLLARS, PARTICULARLY
THOSE MITIGATIONS THAT BUILD
UPON THE NON-BURNABLE NATURE OF
EXISTING ROADS, SO THAT WE ARE
NOT ONLY LESS LIKELY TO SEE
ROADSIDE STARTS, BUT WE WILL
GIVE THE FIREFIGHTERS THE TOOLS
THEY NEED TO HOLD FIRES THAT
STARTED SOMEWHERE ELSE WHEN THEY
ENCOUNTER A ROADWAY, AS A MANNER
OF KEEPING THEM OUT OF OUR
COMMUNITIES. WE APPRECIATE YOUR
SUPPORT AND CONSIDERATION.
ANYTHING THAT WILL ALLOW US TO
GET MORE GOOD MITIGATIONS ON THE
GROUND QUICKLY WILL BE
BENEFICIAL TO OUR EFFORTS TO
CREATE FIRE ADAPTED COMMUNITIES.
THANK YOU SIR. ARE THERE ANY
PERSONS IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER THEIR
SUPPORT FOR THIS MEASURE, MR.
CHAIRMAN, CHRIS MCCAULEY, ON
BEHALF OF HUMBOLDT AND MENDOCINO
REDWOOD COMPANIES IN SUPPORT.
MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS, ON BEHALF OF
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN
NAPA, SOLANO AND SONOMA COUNTIES
IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. ETHAN
NAGLER ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
SANTA ROSA IN SUPPORT. MR.
CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS JAMES THÀNH,
DIRECTOR WITH THE CALIFORNIA
STATE COUNCIL OF LABORERS AND
PROUD SUPPORT JEFF NHIÀU,
REPRESENTING THE COUNTIES OF
CONTRA COSTA AND YOLO, BOTH IN
SUPPORT. CHAIR AND MEMBERS.
NORLAND REPRESENTING THE
CALIFORNIA BUILDING INDUSTRY
ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, SARAH NOCITO ON
BEHALF OF THE EL DORADO WATER
AGENCY, IN SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, CATHERINE FREEMAN, ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE
ASSOCIATIONS IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU. KAYLA ROBINSON, ON BEHALF
OF THE EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK
DISTRICT, IN SUPPORT. THANKS
JOHN KENNEDY WITH OUR CRC AND
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON. NOEL KRAMER WITH WINE
INSTITUTE IN SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, PETER ANSEL,
CALIFORNIA FARM BUREAU IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. PETER, ANY
PERSONS IN THE HEARING ROOM WHO
WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER THEIR
OPPOSITION TO THIS MEASURE?
SEEING NONE, WE'LL TURN IT TO
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SENATOR
BAUER-KAHAN. WELL, NOW YOU'VE
ALL MET THE INCREDIBLE MAN THAT
KEEPS MY FAMILY SAFE EVERY DAY,
AND I THINK THIS IS SUCH
IMPORTANT WORK, MR. DODD. I KNOW
THAT, I LIVE ON ONE OF THE
EVACUATION ROUTES THAT HIS
FIREFIGHTERS DRIVE ON TO MAKE
SURE I'M DOING MY WORK. I HAD A
DEAD TREE. THEY MAKE SURE THEY
MADE SURE I REMOVED IT, AND, YOU
KNOW, LIVING IN ONE OF THESE
COMMUNITIES, THAT'S A HIGH FIRE
ZONE WITH A FIRE CHIEF WHO TELLS
ME THAT I'M REALLY SCREWED WHERE
I LIVE, WHICH THE INSURANCE
COMPANIES JUST CONFIRMED. IT WAS
A NERVOUS LAUGH. SORRY. NO. IT'S
OKAY. I HAVE TO LAUGH ABOUT IT,
YOU KNOW WHAT KEEPS ME SAFE IS
THE EVACUATION ROUTES AND THE
MITIGATION THAT IS DONE EVERY
DAY IN OUR COMMUNITY AT THE
BEHEST OF THE FIRE CHIEF. AND
SOME OF THESE. AND I'M A HUGE
PROTECTOR OF SEQUOIA. I ALMOST
NEVER VOTE ON A SEQUA EXEMPTION.
BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF
THESE WILDFIRES IS INCREDIBLE.
AND THE FASTER WE CAN GET TO
THEM AND THE FASTER WE CAN
PREVENT THEM, THE BETTER OUR
CLIMATE IS. AND SO I THINK THIS
IS ONE OF THE BEST CEQA
EXEMPTIONS I'VE SEEN IN MY TIME.
I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT, AND I
THINK IT WILL GIVE US THE TOOLS
WE NEED TO BETTER PROTECT OUR
COMMUNITIES AND HOPEFULLY IT
WILL HELP CALTRANS DO THE WORK
THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE
DOING ON OUR COMMUNITY. THAT IS
A FIGHT EVERY DAY TO MAKE SURE
THEY DO, BUT WE, ARE NOW GOING
TO SAY THEY HAVE NO EXCUSE. SO
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, MR. FLORES?
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND,
SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
THIS FORWARD. AND I JUST,
ALIGNED MY COMMENTS WITH OUR
DEAR COLLEAGUE. BUT OVER THE
YEARS SINCE DOING THIS FOR EIGHT
YEARS AND ON THIS COMMITTEE,
SEVEN OF THOSE AND IT'S, IT'S
AWESOME THAT WE'RE FINALLY
MAKING THESE CHANGES, WHEN YOU
DRIVE UP 5080 AND YOU'RE SEEING
PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY
VERSUS STATE OWNED OR FEDERAL
OWNED AND SOME ARE MAINTAINED
PROPERLY AND SOME ARE SIMPLY
NOT. AND WE DON'T ALWAYS GET TO
PICK AND CHOOSE, WHERE AN
IGNITION SOURCE IS STARTING.
RIGHT. BUT WHEN WE GIVE
FIREFIGHTERS THE ABILITY TO GET
ON IT FAST, I MEAN, YOU KNOW,
CHIEF, THE RESOURCES ON ANY TYPE
OF IGNITION THIS TIME OF YEAR,
THE AMOUNT OF MANPOWER AND
EQUIPMENT THAT'S SENT ON AN
INITIAL ATTACK WHEN WE GIVE
THOSE MEN AND WOMEN THE
OPPORTUNITY TO CATCH THAT, WE
CAN DO IT. WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM
A LITTLE BIT OF BACKUP AS WELL.
AND THIS TYPE OF RISK REDUCTION
IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. AND I'M
JUST SUPER THANKFUL THIS BILL IS
BROUGHT FOR US TODAY. SO THANK
YOU, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THANK
YOU, MR. FULLER. MR. DODD, WOULD
YOU LIKE TO CLOSE RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU.
SIR, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR.
FLORES. SECOND BY MISS
BAUER-KAHAN. THANK YOU, CHIEF,
FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, SENATOR,
THIS ENJOYS A DUE PASS RECORD
FROM THE CHAIR. MADAM SECRETARY,
CAN WE CALL THE ROLL? MOTION IS
DUE. PASS, AS AMENDED TO
APPROPRIATIONS. BRIAN, I, BRIAN
I FLORA. FLORA I BAUER. KHN.
BAUER KHN I FRIEDMAN. HOOVER.
HOOVER I CHOLERA. LACKEY
MURATSUCHI. PELLERIN. PELLERIN I
WICKS. WOULD WE'LL LEAVE THE
ROLL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. APPRECIATE
IT. ABSOLUTELY. AT THE, REQUEST
OF THE AUTHOR, WE ARE GOING TO
PULL SB 1308 GONZALEZ FOR A
FUTURE HEARING. AND WITH THAT,
NOW YOU CAN PRESENT HER SECOND
BILL, SENATOR LAIRD, YOU ARE
WELCOME TO COME DOWN AND PRESENT
BOTH YOUR BILL AND SB 1182.
GONZALEZ THANK YOU MUCH VERY
MUCH, MR. CHAIR. AND MEMBERS,
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO PRESENT
SENATE BILL 1280 THAT
TRANSITIONS CALIFORNIA TO MORE
SUSTAINABLE OUTDOOR RECREATION
BY REQUIRING SMALL PROPANE
CYLINDERS SOLD IN THE STATE TO
BE REUSABLE OR REFILLABLE.
STARTING ON JANUARY 1ST, 2028,
AND WE DO HAVE A PROP, BUT THE
PROP IS THE STATUS QUO RIGHT
NOW. EVERYWHERE IN THIS STATE,
AND ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE OF US
THAT HAVE A LOT OF PARKS OR
BEACHES IN OUR DISTRICT, THESE
ARE LEFT. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS
A TRUCK THAT TRUCKS THESE OUT OF
YOSEMITE NATIONAL PARK. IT COSTS
$75,000 TO TRUCK THEM JUST OUT
OF YOSEMITE BEFORE THE RECYCLING
AND RIGHT NOW, IT IS THE
OBLIGATION OF THE PARKS, THE
CITIES, THE COUNTIES, THE PARKS
DISTRICTS TO DO IT. WHICH IS WHY
THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, COUNTIES,
RURAL COUNTIES, WASTE MANAGEMENT
ORGANIZATIONS BACKED THIS BILL.
THE REASON IT ALLOWS IT TO PHASE
IN UNTIL JANUARY 1ST, 2028, IS
REALLY ALLOW THE MARKET TO CATCH
UP WITH THE MARKET SIGNAL THAT
THIS BILL WILL SEND. WHEN I WAS
IN THE ASSEMBLY, I DID THE BILLS
ON MORE EFFICIENT TOILETS, AND
WHEN THAT HAPPENED, WHEN IT WAS
ACTUALLY IN THE REGULATIONS OF
THE BUILDING CODES, WE HAD
TROUBLES. BUT WHEN WE ALLOWED IT
TO TREND IN, IN PERCENTAGES BY
YEAR IN THE MARKET, THE
COMPANIES COULD GET WITH IT. IT
WENT THAT WAY AND THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE DOING HERE, AND, 2021
REPORT FROM THE STATEWIDE
COMMISSION ON RECYCLING MARKETS
AND CURBSIDE RECYCLING SAID THAT
SINGLE USE, 1 POUND PROPANE
CYLINDERS ARE A THREAT TO HUMAN
AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH WHEN
EMPTY AND SO-CALLED EMPTY, THEY
STILL CONTAIN A SMALL AMOUNT OF
GAS, POSING A DANGER TO THE
SANITATION WORKERS DUE TO THE
RISK OF EXPLOSION AND RESULTING
FIRES, AND I MENTIONED HOW MUCH,
IS PAID. THERE'S BEEN AN
ANIMATED DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER TO
GO BACK AND FORTH AND THE,
BETWEEN EXTENDED PRODUCER
RESPONSIBILITY AND FRANKLY, I
SUPPORT A UNIVERSAL EXTENDED
PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY. THAT'S
WHERE WE SHOULD GO. BUT BUT THAT
COSTS MONEY. AND THAT IS HIGHLY
UNLIKELY TO BE PASSED THIS YEAR
IN THE LEGISLATURE. THIS IS A
PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED. THIS BILL HAS HAS A
PAST, BOTH HOUSES BEFORE SAU,
AND I'M ASKING TO DO IT AGAIN.
THERE WAS AN ANIMATED DEBATE AND
A SIX WEEKS OF LEAFLETING
OUTSIDE THE CAPITOL, AND OTHER
THINGS GOT OUT OF THE SENATE, 32
TO 7, WITH REPUBLICANS JOINING
DEMOCRATS IN DOING IT. BECAUSE I
THINK WHEN THE ARGUMENT SEES THE
LIGHT OF DAY, OF WHAT THIS IS,
IT'S NOT ABOUT SYSTEMS OR
PROCESSES OR DO THIS OR WE FAVOR
THAT BILL. IT'S ABOUT ADDRESSING
THIS ISSUE. NOW THAT'S THE
STATUS QUO AND WE HAVE A CHANCE
TO CHANGE IT, I HAVE TWO
WITNESSES, PRISCILLA QUIROZ, ON
BEHALF OF THE BILL SPONSOR, THE
CALIFORNIA PRODUCT STEWARDSHIP
COUNCIL, AND JOHN KENNEDY, ON
BEHALF OF THE RURAL COUNTY
REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA. I
APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO,
PRESENT AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
QUESTIONS. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR
MEMBERS. PRISCILLA, KUDOS HERE
ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA
PRODUCT STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL,
PROUD SPONSORS OF SB 1280.
FIRST, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE
SENATOR AND HIS STAFF FOR ALL
THEIR WORK THIS PAST YEAR ON
THIS ISSUE. NON-REFILLABLE 1
POUND PROPANE CYLINDERS POSED
SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES. THEY'RE
EXPENSIVE TO MANAGE PROPERLY AND
DANGEROUS DUE TO THEIR FLAMMABLE
CONTENT. THERE ARE SOME
JURISDICTIONS THAT PAY
APPROXIMATELY $3 PER TANK, AND
SOME THAT PAY AS HIGH AS 65 PER
TANK. ULTIMATELY, THE RATEPAYERS
ARE THE ONES WHO BEAR THE COSTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE CYLINDER
DISPOSAL. AS THE COMMITTEE
ANALYSIS NOTED IN 2022, SENATOR
WIECKOWSKI INTRODUCED A SIMILAR
LEGISLATION, BUT IT WAS VETOED.
WE TOOK THAT VETO MESSAGE AND
WORKED WITH SENATOR LAIRD LAST
YEAR AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND
TRIED TO DO WORK WITH THE
OPPOSITION ON A CALIFORNIA BASED
EPR PROGRAM. HOWEVER, THE
OPPOSITION CONTINUED TO STALL
AND POSE CHALLENGES THROUGHOUT
THE PROCESS. FOR PERSPECTIVE, WE
COULDN'T EVEN GET PAST
DEFINITIONS IN THAT PAST BILL,
SINCE THE VETO MESSAGE. HOWEVER,
THE AVAILABILITY FOR ONE FOR A
REFILLABLE 1 POUND PROPANE
CYLINDERS HAVE RAPIDLY EXPANDED
WITH THEIR GROWING NETWORK.
RETAILERS OFFERING OPTIONS TO
PURCHASE REFILL EXCHANGE
CYLINDERS. THE NUMBER OF
LOCATIONS OFFERING THESE
CYLINDERS HAVE INCREASED
SIGNIFICANTLY, INCLUDING MAJOR
NATIONAL RETAILERS LIKE ACE
HARDWARE, TWO VALUE, HOME DEPOT
AND REI. OUR LATEST ANALYSIS
INDICATES THAT THERE ARE
CURRENTLY 250 AND 500 VENUES IN
CALIFORNIA THAT WE SUSPECT THAT
WILL INCREASE. ADDITIONALLY, IN
THE LAST TWO YEARS SINCE THAT
VETO MESSAGE, WE'VE SEEN A 50%
INCREASE FOR EXCHANGE MODEL AND
200% INCREASE IN THE CYLINDERS
SOLD NATIONWIDE. TRANSITIONING
OUT OF THE DISPOSABLE PROPANE
CYLINDERS WILL MOVE CONSUMERS TO
A MORE SUSTAINABLE OPTION. FROM
A WASTE PERSPECTIVE, THIS BILL
PROVIDES ACTUAL SOURCE
REDUCTION. FROM A FINANCIAL
PERSPECTIVE, THE BILL SAVES
LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT MONEY BECAUSE THEY
WON'T BE SPENDING MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS OF DISPOSABLE CONTAINERS
ENTERING THE WASTE STREAM FOR
THESE REASONS. THAT'S WHY WE
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR I VOTE
AND THEN JUST ON BEHALF OF STOP
WASTE WESTERN PLACER WASTE
MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY AND SOLID
WASTE ASSOCIATION OF NORTH
AMERICA LEGISLATIVE TASK FORCE,
THEY ARE ALL IN SUPPORT OF THIS
MEASURE. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, JOHN KENNEDY WITH
RURAL COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES OF
CALIFORNIA. WE'RE PLEASED TO BE
HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL
TODAY. WE THINK IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT. THE SINGLE USE
PROPANE CYLINDERS ARE A VERY
DIFFICULT FOR US TO MANAGE. THEY
END UP IN OUR LANDFILLS AND OUR
COLLECTION FACILITIES, AND IT'S
REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO
FIGURE OUT WHETHER THEY'RE EMPTY
AND CAN GO INTO THE TRASH OR
NOT. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO MANAGE
THEM AS HAZARDOUS WASTE. AS THE
AUTHOR MENTIONED, AS LITTLE AS
$3, WHICH IS A HUGE PORTION OF
WHAT IT ACTUALLY COSTS TO THE
CONSUMER TO PURCHASE THESE AT
THE POINT OF SALE, AND UP
SIGNIFICANTLY. WE HAVE A LOT OF
RURAL COUNTIES, WE HAVE A LOT OF
PARKS, WE HAVE A LOT OF STATE
PARKS, NATIONAL PARKS AND
CAMPGROUNDS. SO WE SEE A LOT OF
THESE PROPANE CYLINDERS COME TO
OUR COUNTIES AND GET LEFT THERE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF
PEOPLE. AND THOSE SMALLER
POPULATIONS THEN HAVE TO PAY FOR
THE COST OF MANAGING THESE
PROPANE CYLINDERS, GETTING THEM
SAFELY DISPOSED. SO WE
APPRECIATE THIS BILL. WE THINK
IT'S A SMALL STEP IN PRODUCT
REDESIGN, WITH INCREMENTAL COSTS
AT THAT POINT WILL REAP
TREMENDOUS REWARDS ON THE BACK
END, NOT ONLY FOR LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS, BUT FOR CONSUMERS
WHO DON'T HAVE TO PAY THESE
COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH MANAGING
THESE AT THE END OF LIFE. SO FOR
THOSE REASONS, WE SUPPORT 1280
TODAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY
PERSONS IN THIS HEARING ROOM WHO
SUPPORT THIS MEASURE? CATHERINE
FREEMAN, ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF
COUNTIES IN SUPPORT, THANK YOU.
MELISSA SPARKS KRANZ WITH THE
LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES IN
SUPPORT. TONY HACKETT,
CALIFORNIANS AGAINST WASTE, AND
SUPPORT GENE HEARST ON BEHALF OF
THE SANTA BARBARA COUNTY BOARD
OF SUPERVISORS AND SUPPORT KELLY
ROBINSON ON BEHALF OF RETHINK
WASTE AND SUPPORT. THANKS
STEPHANIE MORROW ON BEHALF OF
RECOLOGY AND SUPPORT. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MICHAEL CAPRIO HERE
FOR REPUBLIC SERVICES IN SUPPORT
. GOOD AFTERNOON, LINDSAY
GOLDEN, WITH THE RESOURCE
RECOVERY COALITION OF CALIFORNIA
IN SUPPORT. JOSH SIMPSON WITH
LITTLE CAMPER PROPANE AND STRONG
SUPPORT, JORDAN WELLS WITH THE
NATIONAL STEWARDSHIP ACTION
COUNCIL AND STRONG SUPPORT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE
OPPOSITION IN THE ROOM? COME ON
DOWN. AND SINCE WE ALLOWED
SENATOR LAIRD TO HAVE PROPS, WE
GOT YOUR REQUEST TO ALSO SHARE A
PICTURE OF MY BIG PROP, SO I DO
APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. MIKE
ROBINSON HERE ON BEHALF OF
WORTHINGTON ENTERPRISES, IN
OPPOSITION, THE PICTURE DOES
TELL US A BIT OF A STORY, AND
IT'S PART OF MY, MY TESTIMONY,
TO BE HONEST. I APPRECIATE YOU
LETTING ME SHOW IT, BUT, SO, SO
LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, THIS IS
A THIS IS A FUEL CONTAINER
COLLECTION BIN. IT'S ACTUALLY AT
YOSEMITE. SO THIS IS THIS IS AT
YOSEMITE CAMPGROUNDS AND IT
COLLECTS ALL THEY'RE COLLECTING
ALL THE CYLINDERS THAT ARE BEING
USED AT THE PARK, YOU KNOW, BY,
BY THEIR CONSUMERS OR THE, THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE CAMPING THERE.
AND SO WHAT YOU WANT TO LOOK AT
IN THERE IS THAT THE MIDDLE
CYLINDER IS THE PROPANE CYLINDER
THAT THAT THIS BILL WOULD BAN.
THAT'S THAT'S THE 1 POUND
DISPOSABLE CYLINDER THAT WOULD
BE BANNED. THE ONE TO THE LEFT
OF IT, THE BLUE TALL ONE. THAT'S
A THAT'S A TORCH CYLINDER. IT
ALSO HOLDS PROPANE. IT HAS THE
SAME VALVE AS THE AS THE MIDDLE
CYLINDER. IT'S THE EXACT SAME
VALVE. OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE
USING THAT ON THEIR CAMPING
STOVES AT YOSEMITE. AND TO BE
HONEST, WHEN IF THIS BILL WERE
TO PASS AND BECOME LAW, THEY'LL,
THEY'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO. THEY
WILL THEY WILL THEY WILL SIMPLY
TAKE THE $6 CYLINDER THAT'S IN
THE MIDDLE AND SWAP IT FOR THE
TALL CYLINDER TO ITS LEFT OUT,
OR THEY'LL USE THE OTHER FUEL
CYLINDERS THAT ARE THERE.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL THEY'LL CHANGE
THEIR CAMPING STOVE, YOU KNOW,
IF YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU HAVE TO
BUY, YOU KNOW, 5 OR 6 OF THE OF
THESE, OF THE REUSABLE
REFILLABLE CYLINDERS, YOU'RE
GOING TO YOU'RE HITTING A,
YOU'RE HITTING A PRICE POINT
THAT, THAT ACTUALLY JUST BEGS
YOU TO SWAP OUT YOUR STOVE AND,
AND SAY, OH, WELL, I JUST WON'T
USE PROPANE. PROPANE GAS STOVE
ANYMORE. I'LL JUST USE IT.
ISOBUTANE GAS STOVE. ALL THESE
PRODUCTS ARE BEING USED TODAY
AND ALL OF THEM, IF THIS BILL
WERE TO PASS, ALL OF THEM WILL
CONTINUE TO BE USED AT YOSEMITE
AT ALL THE OTHER PARKS BECAUSE
PEOPLE AREN'T. PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO FIND THEIR WAY TO, TO, TO DO
THE CHEAPEST, MOST CONVENIENT
FUELING OPTION THAT THEY HAVE.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL STILL GET EVEN
THE PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE BANNED
BECAUSE THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT
AND THERE'S A BILL AND THERE'S
NO WAY THERE'S NO WAY IT WOULD
BE ENFORCED. BUT SOME OTHER
POINTS THAT I JUST WANT TO BRING
UP IS, WELL, THE RIGHT SOLUTION.
THE PICTURE TELLS YOU IS EPR. SO
WE WANT AN EPR SOLUTION. WE WANT
AS THE PRODUCER, AS THE BIGGEST
PRODUCER, WORTHINGTON WANTS A
PRODUCER, YOU KNOW,
RESPONSIBILITY PROGRAM FOR THESE
CYLINDERS IN CALIFORNIA. VÀ WE
UNFORTUNATELY HAVEN'T GOT THERE,
BUT BUT WORTHINGTON IS HELPING
TO IMPLEMENT CONNECTICUT'S, EPR
LAW. THEY'RE WORKING IN OTHER
STATES. THEY, THEY, THEY ARE
DOING THIS IN CANADA. WORTHY
THÀNH IS FULLY IN AND CANADA'S,
PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY PROGRAM
FOR ALL THESE PRESSURIZED GAS
CYLINDERS. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO
IF YOU WANT TO SOLVE THE
ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM, SOLVE IT
FOR ALL THE PRESSURIZED GAS
CYLINDERS. DON'T JUST PICK, YOU
KNOW, A WINNER AND A LOSER IN
THE MARKETPLACE, BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT ACTUALLY DOES THE BILL IS
ACTUALLY JUST DESIGNED TO PUSH
ONE PRODUCT OUT OF THE
MARKETPLACE IN FAVOR OF A SINGLE
OTHER PRODUCT THAT'S, THAT IS
REUSABLE. AND, THERE'S A REASON
WORTHINGTON DOESN'T MAKE A
REUSABLE PRODUCT TODAY, THEY
CERTAINLY CAN. THEY'RE THE
LARGEST DOMESTIC MANUFACTURER OF
CYLINDERS IN THE COUNTRY. THEY
DON'T THEY DON'T BELIEVE,
BESIDES THE FACT THAT CONSUMERS
DON'T WANT THE INCONVENIENCE,
SINCE THEY ALSO DON'T BELIEVE
IT'S SAFE. THE THE 1 POUND
CYLINDER, THE, THE REUSABLE
PRODUCT THAT THIS BILL WILL,
WILL, YOU KNOW, HELP SELL IS
DOESN'T HAVE AN OVERFILL
PROTECTION DEVICE IN IT. AND THE
OVERFILL PROTECTION DEVICE IS
PRETTY CRITICAL. THAT'S WHAT'S
IN A 20 POUND BARBECUE TANK. NOW
SO WHEN IT'S WHEN THAT BARBECUE
TANK IS FULL, THE 20 POUND TANK
IS FULL. IT SHUTS OFF. THIS ONE,
DOESN'T IT JUST IT JUST SPEWS
PROPANE OUT THE SIDE. SO IF
YOU'RE LENDING YOURSELF TO A
SITUATION WHERE CONSUMERS ARE
GOING TO BE, WE'VE BEEN
INCREDIBLY GENEROUS. I KNOW
YOU'RE GREAT. YOU'RE OUR OUR
WE'RE CONSUMERS ARE, ARE GOING
TO BE WANTING TO REFILL THESE
CYLINDERS THEMSELVES. IN FACT,
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE
PROPONENTS IN THE PROPONENTS
STUFF, FLAME KING ACTUALLY
MARKETS A REFILLABLE VALVE KIT.
AND SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
SITTING IN THEIR BACKYARDS OR
OUT CAMPGROUNDS OR WHATEVER,
POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST
NOT SAFE. AND IN WORTHINGTON, AS
A AS A RESPONSIBLE MANUFACTURER
IN THE UNITED STATES, DOESN'T
WANT TO IT DOESN'T THINK THAT
THE RISK AND THE LIABILITY IS
WORTH IT. I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE.
HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY ASKED ME
SOMETHING BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT
TO SAY. THANK YOU. SIR, CAN
DEFINITELY TELL THAT THIS IS, AN
IMPORTANT ISSUE TO YOU. ANY
OPPOSITION, IN THE HEARING ROOM
WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADD THEIR
VOICE, RYAN LANE, ON BEHALF OF
CALIFORNIA RETAILERS ASSOCIATION
, RESPECTFULLY, THANK YOU SO
MUCH. WE'LL TURN IT NOW TO
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. QUESTIONS,
COMMENTS? MR. HOOVER GOT A
COUPLE QUESTIONS, SENATOR, THANK
YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD. IS THERE HOW LONG, I
GUESS HOW LONG HAS THE
REFILLABLE PRODUCT BEEN ON THE
MARKET? DO WE HAVE AN IDEA? I
DON'T EVEN KNOW. OKAY. I MEAN, I
JUST KNOW IT'S ON THE MARKET,
BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS
REALLY SAYS THE REFILLABLE WILL
BE THE MARKET BY 2028. AND AS
WAS SAID, WORRIED ABOUT THE
COMPARISON IN DOLLARS 80% OF THE
COST IS THE NON-REFILLABLE
CYLINDER. SO IF YOU ARE
REFILLING IT, YOU'RE REDUCING
THE COST ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
OKAY SO I GUESS, SENATOR, REAL
QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I DO
HAVE A QUESTION AND I'LL ASK YOU
, BUT, WHY NOT AN EPR? I MEAN,
WHY FIRST OF ALL, ARE THESE
CURRENTLY ARE WE ABLE TO RECYCLE
THESE CURRENTLY AND WHY WHY NOT
GO WITH, YOU KNOW, THE EPR
APPROACH? WELL, ACTUALLY WE
TRIED TO GO THROUGH DO THE EPR
LAST YEAR. EVERYBODY OPPOSING
IT, INCLUDING THE GUY SITTING AT
THIS TABLE STALLED COMPLETELY.
THEIR GOAL IS TO NOT HAVE THIS.
WE WANTED THAT. AND THAT WAS OUR
GOAL LAST YEAR. NOW, AS I SAID
IN THE OPENING STATEMENT, NO EPR
IN MY VIEW WILL PASS THIS YEAR
BECAUSE OF THE COST. SO
ADVOCATING FOR EPR THIS YEAR IS
ADVOCATING FOR NO SOLUTION. THIS
YEAR. IS THERE A REASON THAT,
THESE REFILLABLE PRODUCTS
HAVEN'T GOTTEN MORE OF A MARKET
SHARE, I MEAN, I THINK I DO HAVE
SOME CONCERNS THAT THERE'S JUST
NO, THERE'S NO MARKET FOR THE
CONSUMERS FOR THESE. I MEAN, YOU
SAID THERE'S 250 OF THESE IN THE
STATE. I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE A
REALLY SMALL NUMBER. YEAH. BUT
LET ME SAY THE CAR OWNERS IN
DETROIT SAID THERE WAS NO MARKET
FOR HYBRIDS OR OTHER THINGS
BECAUSE PEOPLE WEREN'T GIVEN THE
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEM. AND
THE MINUTE THEY DID IT TURNED
OUT THERE WAS AN UNBELIEVABLE
MARKET. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO WITH THIS BILL.
OKAY. I MEAN, THERE CERTAINLY IS
A MARKET OBVIOUSLY FOR THE
LARGER TANKS, RIGHT? SO WE DO
KNOW THAT THAT EXISTS. IT JUST
SEEMS INTERESTING TO ME THAT
THAT THAT DOESN'T TRANSLATE TO
THIS MARKET, SO CAN YOU IF I MAY
ASK THE OPPOSITION ON THE
CURRENT RECYCLING PRACTICES OF
THESE, CAN THEY CURRENTLY BE
RECYCLED LIKE, IS THAT
HAPPENING? AND IS THIS REALLY
JUST LIKE A COST ISSUE OR ARE
THERE OTHER ISSUES INVOLVED? I'M
I BELIEVE THEY THEY ARE
RECYCLED. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW
THE PROCESS FOR HOW THESE ARE
RECYCLED. I KNOW THEY GET
COLLECTED. THEY, THEY GO THROUGH
THE, YOU KNOW, EITHER THROUGH
THROUGH THE WASTE STREAM IN
PROBABLY A LOT OF THEM DO END UP
AT HÌ FACILITIES AND, AND THEN
THEY GET SENT TO A, THEY GET
SENT TO A SCRAP METAL RECYCLER.
BUT, JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH,
ALSO ASSEMBLYMAN HOOVER, THE
REFILLABLE PRODUCTS BEEN ON THE
MARKET FOR TEN YEARS AND IT'S
BEEN AND IT'S AND IT'S BEEN THE
STATE HAS BEEN FUNDING A REFILL
YOUR FUND MARKETING AND ADVOCACY
CAMPAIGN FOR NINE YEARS NOW. SIX
POINTS OUT, $2.5 MILLION HAS
BEEN BEEN SPENT PUSHING THIS
REFILLABLE PRODUCT. YET THERE'S
ONLY 250 RETAILERS, SO. LAST
QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, I
APOLOGIZE. SO I GUESS, WHAT IS
THE OPPOSITION OPEN TO COMING TO
THE TABLE ON THIS THIS
ALTERNATIVE ISSUE? I MEAN,
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A COST ISSUE
THERE. AS THE SENATOR MENTIONED.
BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IS THERE
ANOTHER METHOD WE CAN GET TO
HERE? I MEAN, AGAIN, WE DO
SUPPORT A PRODUCER
RESPONSIBILITY PROGRAM HERE.
HERE'S THE THING I DON'T WANT I
DON'T THINK WE STALLED. I MEAN,
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO
SAY TO THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW,
WORTHINGTON IS INVOLVED IN AN
EPR PROGRAM IN CONNECTICUT. THEY
WANT TO DO IT IN OTHER STATES.
THEY WANT TO DO IT HERE. IT'S
SOMETHING THAT JUST FOR, FOR
THIS COMMITTEE PRODUCER
RESPONSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT
TO START THINKING ABOUT PUBLIC
POLICIES AROUND PRODUCER
RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT
THE PRODUCER ACTUALLY HAS A SEAT
AT THE TABLE AND A PROGRAM THAT
IS DESIGNED FOR THEM TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR. YOU KNOW, WE
CAN'T JUST LEGISLATE A LEGISLATE
PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY LAWS AND
NOT HAVE THE PRODUCERS HAVE HAVE
SOME SAY IN HOW IT'S CRAFTED.
AND SO, SO WE HAD SOME BREAKDOWN
ON SOME ON SOME ON, ON LANGUAGE
THERE, THERE WAS LANGUAGE IN
THAT BILL THAT WOULD HAVE
REQUIRED COLLECTION SITES BASED
ON POPULATION THAT HAD NO
BEARING ON, ON HOW THE PRODUCT
IS USED. AND SO, SO WE WOULD
HAVE ENDED UP WITH ON THE
LANGUAGE. THE LAST VERSION OF
LANGUAGE THAT WE SAW THERE WOULD
HAVE BEEN LIKE 1100 COLLECTION
SITES FOR THIS PRODUCT. THE
PAINTCARE PROGRAM ONLY HAS 700
COLLECTION SITES, SO YOU WOULD
ACTUALLY BE IT'S JUST IT'S JUST
A LOT OF BUREAUCRACY FOR NO
GAIN. IF YOU WANT THE PRODUCERS
TO BE RESPONSIBLE, HOLD THE
PRODUCERS, YOU KNOW, SET SOME
GOALS AND HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY
DON'T MAKE THAT, IF THEY DON'T
MEET THEIR OBLIGATION, THEN THEN
THEY CAN'T SELL THEIR PRODUCT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU,
ASSEMBLY MEMBER BAUER-KAHAN. SO
I APOLOGIZE. I GOT A CALL AND
HAD TO STEP OUT, BUT IF I HEARD
CORRECTLY, AS I STEPPED IN, THE
REASON WORTHINGTON DOESN'T WANT
TO GET INTO THE REFILLABLE
BUSINESS IS A CONCERN FOR
LIABILITY. THEY BELIEVE IT IS AN
UNSAFE PRODUCT TODAY. OKAY,
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YES. SO
WE'VE CONFIRMED THAT THIS HAS
BEEN AROUND FOR A DECADE. CAN
YOU TELL US WHAT HARM HAS COME
TO PASS IN THE LAST DECADE OF
THESE REFILLABLE BEING ON THE
MARKET THAT CAUSES THEM TO
BELIEVE THAT? WELL, THE I CAN
SPEAK TO IT. I MEAN, I WILL SAY
AND I IT'S THEY HAVE THE
INFORMATION TOO. AND SO THERE IS
A THE WAY IT'S USED IS IF YOU
SELF REFILL YOU, YOU FLIP A 20
POUND BAR BIÂU TANK UPSIDE DOWN.
YOU PUT A LITTLE ADAPTER KIT AND
A VALVE ON THERE AND YOU FILL
IT, AND, AND THE, AND THE VALVE,
THE VALVE ON THE REFILLABLE IS
NOT, IS DOESN'T HAVE AN OPD AND
THEY THINK THAT'S NOT SAFE.
RIGHT. AND AS FAR AS ACCIDENTS I
CAN'T I CAN'T POINT TO ONE. I
COULD I COULD POINT YEARS. AND
NOBODY THAT WE KNOW OF HAS BEEN
HARMED. BUT WE CAN'T GO TO
REFILLABLE BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID
THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT BE HARMED.
THAT SEEMS IRRATIONAL. WELL,
THEY HAVEN'T SOLD THAT MANY OF
THEM, TO BE HONEST, IN THE
COURSE OF TEN YEARS EITHER. SO
THE, THE THEY COULD WE COULD
POINT TO A POINT A SITUATION
WHERE SOMEBODY TRIED TO FILL A
REUSABLE, I MEAN, A DISPOSABLE.
THEY FILLED THE DISPOSABLE,
WHICH THEY SHOULDN'T DO. AND
WORTHINGTON'S PRODUCT SAYS,
DON'T REFILL. IT'S NOT NOT TO BE
REFILLED. BUT SOMEBODY DID THAT.
IT EXPLODED. IT KILLED SOMEBODY.
AND IT DIDN'T EXPLODE BECAUSE IT
WAS THE REFILLABLE I MEAN, THE
REUSABLE, THE DISPOSABLE
CYLINDER. IT EXPLODED BECAUSE OF
THE VALVE, THE VALVE CONNECTION,
THE ADAPTER DEVICE WAS NOT WAS
NOT WORKING PROPERLY. SO THAT
SITUATION WOULD EXIST, WHETHER
IT WAS A REUSABLE OR A OR A
DISPOSABLE, IT'S ARE THE
REFILLABLE. I MEAN, I CAN'T
IMAGINE EVER. BUT I'M NOT SUPER
HANDY TRYING TO REFILL ONE OF
THESE MYSELF, AND I DIDN'T THINK
THAT WAS THE INTENT. I THOUGHT
PLACES LIKE REI WOULD BE REFILL
CENTERS FOR THESE THINGS. YEAH,
SO CALIFORNIA PRODUCT
STEWARDSHIP COUNCIL REALLY IS
TRYING TO GET MORE OF AN
EXCHANGE MODEL LIKE THE 20
POUNDERS. RIGHT? RIGHT. WE ARE
ENCOURAGING THAT WITH THE
REFILLABLE 1 POUND PROPANE
CYLINDERS, THERE IS A BLEEDER
VALVE, WHICH DOES MAKE IT SAFER
FOR A CONSUMER TO REFILL IT. OR
THEY CAN GO TO, LET'S SAY,
U-HAUL OR AN ACE HARDWARE AND
GET IT REFILLED BY A
PROFESSIONAL. AND IT ACTUALLY
SAVES THEM MONEY OVER TIME
BECAUSE IT'S ONLY LIKE A DOLLAR
OR TWO TO REFILL IT. AND SO WE
ENCOURAGE FOR THOSE TWO, WE
DON'T REALLY ENCOURAGE FOR,
CONSUMERS TO REFILL IT
THEMSELVES, BUT WE HAVE SEEN
THAT CONSUMERS TRY TO REFILL THE
NON-REFILLABLE CYLINDERS. AND
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT
BLEEDER VALVE, THAT'S WHAT MAKES
IT DANGEROUS. AND THAT'S WHERE
YOU SEE A DEATH. AND SO THAT'S
WHY IT'S IN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE
ENCOURAGING THIS DIFFERENT
DIRECTION OF HAVING ENSURING
THAT, YOU KNOW, IF FOLKS DO WANT
TO AS WE SEE YOUTUBE'S ON THEIR
FOLKS ENCOURAGING, LIKE, HEY,
YOU CAN REFILL THESE NON
REFILLABLE. SO WE'RE EDUCATING
FOLKS. BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO IS MIMIC WHAT THE
20 POUNDERS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN,
WHICH HAS BEEN REFILLABLE RIGHT.
AND WELL THE 20 POUNDERS ARE
REFILL REFILLABLE BUT NOT AT
HOME. YEAH YEAH I'M LIKE OH I'VE
NEVER TRIED TO REFILL MINE
EXCHANGE. YEAH YEAH. AND THEN
DOES THE LAW CURRENTLY REQUIRE
ON THE REFILLABLE ONES A WARNING
OF ANY KIND. AND DO WE KNOW I
THINK THERE IS A SAFETY WARNING.
SAFETY WARNING. I MEAN I THINK
THAT IF NOT, AND IT'S NOT THE
JURISDICTION OF THIS COMMITTEE,
BUT I DO THINK THAT WOULD MAKE
SENSE IF WE'RE REQUIRING THEM
ALL TO BE REFILLABLE, EVEN IF
NOT THAT THERE BE SOME SORT OF
SAFETY WARNING TELLING PEOPLE
NOT TO TURN OVER THEIR BARBECUE
JUICE AND DO THIS. SO MAYBE
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD
CONSIDER AMENDING YOUR BILL,
SENATOR, BUT GIVEN THAT IT HAS
BEEN A DECADE AND WE HAVE ZERO
EVIDENCE OF HARM TO INDIVIDUALS,
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THERE'S
NOT MUCH REASON FOR FOLKS TO NOT
ALL GO TO THE REFILLABLE MODEL,
WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS SIGNIFICANTLY
BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT
THE BILL. THANK YOU. OTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS. VICE CHAIR.
THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. AND
THANK YOU, SENATOR, FOR THE
BILL. AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPOSITION. AND TO MY COLLEAGUE,
I THIS IS A WEIRD BILL FOR ME.
IT REALLY IS, BECAUSE I IN A LOT
OF WAYS SUPPORT THE IDEA. BUT ON
THE PRACTICALITY AND THE SAFETY
OF IT, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A TON
OF CONCERNS AND MY COLLEAGUE
KIND OF BROUGHT UP A FEW OF
THEM. AND FOR THE RECORD, I AM
GOING TO BE LAYING OFF THIS
BILL, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
HAVING CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS
BEFORE IT GETS TO THE FLOOR, BUT
ON THE SAFETY SIDE OF THINGS,
WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY WHERE I'M
COMING FROM ON THIS, IN LAST TEN
YEARS, WE'VE HAD THESE ON THE
MARKET. VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE
ACTUALLY DOING THIS RIGHT. I
DON'T KNOW THE REASONS WHY,
OTHER THAN CONVENIENCE, WHERE
YOU CAN JUST GO BUY NEW ONES, IT
IS A HUGE CONCERN OF MINE, THAT
YOU WOULD TAKE A 20 POUND TANK
AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO REFILL A
ONE POUNDER AT HOME, AND I CAN
GUARANTEE YOU, WHEN WE BAN THE
DISPOSABLE ONES THAT WILL HAPPEN
MORE OFTEN, THERE WILL BE A LOT
OF FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO
THIS AT HOME. AND SO I FIND THIS
AND I KNOW MY COLLEAGUE, SHE
SAYS SHE'S NOT HANDY. I
DISAGREE, BUT, THERE IS A LOT OF
SAFETY MECHANISMS THAT I FEEL
LIKE ARE MISSING IN THIS PIECE
OF LEGISLATION. THERE REALLY
ARE. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
CONVENIENCE IN SOCIETY, WHEN YOU
TAKE A 20 POUND TANK, AND I
DON'T MEAN HOW MANY TIMES I'VE
GONE TO AN ACE OR HOME DEPOT OR
WHOEVER THAT HAS THOSE. AND
YOU'RE WAITING, TO EXCHANGE IT,
PEOPLE AREN'T AVAILABLE BECAUSE
THEY'RE BUSY DOING THEIR JOBS,
AND YOU END UP JUST SWIPING YOUR
CREDIT CARD AND GETTING A NEW
TANK. I MEAN, I CURRENTLY HAVE
PROBABLY FIVE TANKS IN MY GARAGE
THAT ARE EMPTY THAT I SHOULD
PROBABLY GO EXCHANGE. RIGHT. SO
I JUST, THERE'S A LOT IN THIS
THAT I THINK WE NEED TO WORK
OUT. AND I PREFER THE RECYCLING
MECHANISM, I REALLY DO, AND I
UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, LAST
YEARS, LAST YEAR AND, YOU KNOW,
IT'S A NEW BILL TODAY, BUT
ANYTHING YOU CAN COMMENT MAYBE
OR OPPOSITION OR, YOU KNOW,
SUPPORTERS LIKE WE DO NOT WANT
PEOPLE FILLING THESE TANKS AT
HOME. WE DON'T WANT THAT. AND WE
WANT CONVENIENCE IF WE'RE
ACTUALLY GOING TO CREATE A
SYSTEM WHERE WE WANT PEOPLE TO
TAKE A 1 POUND TANK FROM A
CAMPING TRIP, WE NEED TO MAKE IT
CONVENIENT FOR THEM AS WELL. AND
I DON'T FEEL THAT WE HAVE THAT
RIGHT NOW. WELL, IF Ó. SORRY,
SIR, I WOULD JUST ON THE ON THE
SAFETY POINT IF. AND MAYBE I
MIGHT MIGHT NOT HAVE ANSWERED
MR. HOOVER'S QUESTION. WELL BUT
IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE
GOING TO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO
CREATE AN ONLY AND MARKET FOR
THE REUSABLE PRODUCT, THE
REUSABLE, YOU OUGHT TO YOU OUGHT
TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE AS
EVEN AS ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S OR KHN
SAID SOMETHING TO ENSURE SAFETY.
SO CAÑADA PROHIBITS SELF
REFILLING OF THE CYLINDERS, EVEN
THE REFILLABLE ONES. THEY
PROHIBIT SELF REFILLING. THEY
REQUIRE THESE TO BE FILLED BY
TRAINED AND LICENSED PERSONNEL.
AND, AND OR THAT'S THE ONTARIO
HÌ, IN CANADA, PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO REQUIRES IT TO BE DONE
BY TRAINED AND LICENSED
PERSONNEL, THE I MENTIONED THE
OVERFILL PROTECTION DEVICE, THE
THAT IT'S LACKING IN THE IN THE
IT'S IN THE 20 POUND TANK BUT
IT'S LACKING IN THE 1 POUND
REFILLABLE. YOU SHOULD REQUIRE
AN OVERFILL PROTECTION DEVICE IN
THE IN THE REFILLABLE CYLINDER.
IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ONLY
PRODUCT IN THE MARKETPLACE, THEN
THEN REQUIRE AN OVERFILL
PROTECTION DEVICE IN IT. THAT'D
BE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR THIS
COMMITTEE TO THINK ABOUT. YEAH,
ABSOLUTELY. SO IF I CAN JUST
MENTION ONE THING, WITH PRODUCT
LIABILITY, YOU'RE GOING TO
DEVELOP A PRODUCT THAT IS
ACTUALLY SAFE FOR THE
MARKETPLACE. SO IF THAT'S WHAT'S
REQUIRED TO MAKE THIS REFILLABLE
PRODUCT SAFE, YOU AS A
MANUFACTURER ARE GOING TO DO
THAT. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE SIGNIFICANT PRODUCT
LIABILITY CLAIMS IN THE FUTURE.
SO I'M I'M KIND OF SCRATCHING MY
HEAD AT SOME OF THAT STUFF. ANY
COMMENT SENATOR Ó I'LL RESERVE
IT FOR MY CLOSE IF WE EVER GET
TO IT. WE SHOULD AT SOME POINT,
IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION FROM A
COMMITTEE MEMBER? YEAH. SO I
JUST I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HEAR
WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON
THE CONSUMER PROTECTION SIDE OF
THIS. WELL I HONESTLY BELIEVE
WHAT WAS SAID IS THERE'S PRODUCT
LIABILITY. IT'S GOING TO INCENT
IT. WE HAVE UNTIL 2028. IF THERE
ARE ANY ISSUES THAT REALLY
RESERVE WILL DEAL WITH IT. AND
THAT I HAVE AN ENDORSEMENT
LETTER FROM THE CALIFORNIA
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS
BECAUSE THEY THINK THE CURRENT
SITUATION IS AT RISK TO
FIREFIGHTERS. BOTH IN WHAT THE
GAS IS OCCASIONALLY LEFT AND
WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO INTO HOMES
AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE
GOING IN WITH REGARD TO IT. SO
I'M CONFIDENT THERE'S SOMETHING,
ANYTHING HERE. WE COULD DEAL
WITH IF IT IS NOT ALREADY DEALT
WITH. AND THE REAL ISSUE IS, IS,
IS THAT IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S
EXISTING RECYCLED, THERE'S
EXISTING DISPOSAL AND THE
EXISTING DISPOSAL PRESENTS RISKS
AS WELL. THAT SO, SO IT'S A
BALANCE SHEET ON THE SAFETY. AND
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND WE
HAVE AN OPTION TO GETTING TO
COMPLETELY SAFE. SENATOR LAIRD
WOULD YOU LIKE TO USE THAT AS
YOUR CLOTHES? I WOULD I
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN IPHONE.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU,
COLLEAGUES, FOR THIS ROBUST
CONVERSATION, I THINK THIS BILL
HAS BEEN ON A MULTI YEAR
TRAJECTORY BECAUSE THIS, THIS
POLICY CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT
, THIS BILL DOES ENJOY A DO PASS
RECORD FROM THE CHAIR. MADAM
SECRETARY, CAN WE CALL THE ROLL.
OH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MISS
BAUER-KAHAN, IN A SECOND BY
SEVEN MEMBER FRIEDMAN. THE
MOTION IS DUE. PASS TO
APPROPRIATIONS BRIAN I BRIAN I
FLORA. FLORA. NOT VOTING. BAUER
KHN. BAUER. KHN I FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN I HOOVER. HOOVER. NO.
CHOLERA CHOLERA I LACKEY. NOT
SURE I'M NOT VOTING MURATSUCHI
MURATSUCHI I PELLERIN I PELLERIN
I WICKS WOULD. GALE. GALE, ARE
YOU GOING TO PRESENT YOUR BILL
NOW? SO I'LL TRY TO GET THERE.
WE'LL LEAVE THAT BILL ON CALL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO SENATOR
GONZALEZ 1182 YES. AFTER A MUCH
REFLECTION, I'M PREPARED TO
PRESENT A SENATE BILL 1182 BY
SENATOR GONZALEZ. I WOULD BEGIN
BY ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE'S
TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS AND
THANKING THE COMMITTEE STAFF FOR
THEIR WORK. THIS WOULD REQUIRE
CROSS-AGENCY COLLABORATION AND
COMMUNICATION ON HOW CALIFORNIA
CAN KEEP ITS SCHOOLS SAFE. IT
MAINTAINS THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF
SCHOOL GROUNDS, STUDENTS,
FACULTY AND STAFF WHO UTILIZE
THESE FACILITIES EACH DAY ARE
INCREASING IMPACTED BY CLIMATE
RELATED THREATS. FRONTLINE AND
LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES BEAR A
DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF
CLIMATE IMPACTS. THIS BILL WOULD
ESTABLISH A STATEWIDE PLAN THAT
WILL BETTER POSITION CALIFORNIA
SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO TACKLE THE
GENERATIONAL CHALLENGE OF
TRANSITIONING TO CLIMATE
RESILIENT FACILITIES, HERE TO
TESTIFY IN SUPPORT IS DOCTOR
LISA PATEL, CLINICAL ASSOCIATE
PROFESSOR OF PEDIATRICS AT
STANFORD AND TIFFANY MOK,
LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVE FOR
THE CALIFORNIA FEDERATION OF
TEACHERS. AT THE APPROPRIATE
TIME, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY
REQUEST AN AYE VOTE. THANK YOU,
SENATOR, FIRST WITNESS, TWO
MINUTES APIECE, THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR HEARING MY TESTIMONY.
I'M DOCTOR LISA PATEL. I'M A
CLINICAL ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR. IN
ADDITION TO BEING AN
ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST AND A
MOTHER TO TWO CHILDREN IN SAN
FRANCISCO UNIFIED SCHOOL
DISTRICT. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF
SB 182 TO SAFEGUARD OUR
CHILDREN'S HEALTH IN A CHANGING
CLIMATE. AS A HOSPITAL BASED
PEDIATRICIAN WHO CARES FOR
PREMATURE INFANTS, SICK CHILDREN
AND, WELL, NEWBORNS, I HAVE BEEN
ON THE FRONT LINES OF HOW
CLIMATE CHANGE IS AFFECTING OUR
CHILDREN'S HEALTH, AND DOCTORS
UNDERSTAND THAT CLIMATE CHANGE
WILL BE THE GREATEST DETERMINANT
OF HEALTH FOR A CHILD BORN
TODAY. OUR SCHOOLS WERE BUILT
FOR A DIFFERENT CENTURY, AND IF
WE DON'T ACT NOW TO PREPARE OUR
SCHOOL SYSTEMS, IT WILL THREATEN
OUR CHILDREN'S LIFETIME OF
HEALTH AND LEARNING. FOR EXAMPLE
, WORSENING HEAT WAVES MAKE
CLASSROOMS WITHOUT AIR
CONDITIONING TOO DANGEROUS FOR
CHILDREN. LAST YEAR SHATTERED
ALL RECORDS. THIS YEAR WILL
LIKELY DO THE SAME AS GLOBAL
WARMING INTENSIFIES IN THE
HOSPITAL. I SEE MORE KIDS WITH
ASTHMA FLARES ON HOT DAYS OR
SMOKY DAYS, ATHLETES WHO END UP
WITH KIDNEY DAMAGE AND CHILDREN
WITH THERMAL BURNS FROM
PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT
BECOMES OVERHEATED. WE ALSO KNOW
THAT HOT DAYS RESULT IN POORER
LEARNING OUTCOMES WITH BLACK AND
HISPANIC CHILDREN EXPERIENCING A
5% GAP IN STANDARDIZED TEST
SCORES COMPARED TO THEIR WHITE
PEERS. THE EPA ESTIMATES THAT
HEAT DRIVEN BY CLIMATE CHANGE
WILL RESULT IN A 7% DECREASE IN
ANNUAL ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT PER
CHILD, WHICH TRANSLATES TO
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS LOST
ANNUALLY FROM POORER RATES OF
GRADUATION. POORER PAYING JOBS,
AND INABILITY TO PROCURE HEALTH
INSURANCE. WILDFIRE SMOKE ALSO
THREATENS KIDS HEALTH AND
LEARNING. WE ESTIMATE THAT
WILDFIRE SMOKE IS TEN TIMES AS
TOXIC AS REGULAR AIR POLLUTION
FROM BURNING FOSSIL FUELS. MANY
OF OUR SCHOOLS ARE NOT EQUIPPED
TO COPE WITH UPDATED OR
EFFICIENT HVAC SYSTEMS TO KEEP
KIDS SAFE. WE ESTIMATE AN 11%
11% OF ASTHMA CASES FROM AIR
POLLUTION WILL BE DRIVEN BY
CLIMATE CHANGE, AND CHILDREN IN
CALIFORNIA ALREADY MISS 1.2
MILLION DAYS OF SCHOOL FROM
ASTHMA. WE PREDICT AN INCREASE
IN HOSPITALIZATIONS DUE TO
WILDFIRE SMOKE BY 50% BY 2050.
FOR KIDS, IT SHOULD BE MISSION
CRITICAL THAT EVERY SCHOOL
OFFERS SAFE AIR FOR A CHILD TO
BREATHE, BUT THEY CAN'T GET
THERE WITHOUT HELP. THE BILL CAN
HELP ALIGN FEDERAL AND STATE
DOLLARS TO ENSURE WE USE OUR
RESOURCES WISELY TO CREATE SELF
SAFE, HEALTHY SPACES FOR
CHILDREN TO THRIVE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT WAS TWO
MINUTES PLEASE. THANK YOU CHAIR
AND MEMBERS TIFFANY MOK,
REPRESENTING CFT, A UNION OF
EDUCATORS AND CLASSIFIED
PROFESSIONALS. CFT IS IN STRONG
SUPPORT OF THIS LEGISLATION TO
ENSURE EVERY STUDENT REACHES
THEIR LEARNING POTENTIAL AND TO
ENSURE THAT OUR SCHOOLS
EPITOMIZE THE VALUES OF OUR
COMMUNITY AND CREATE THE BEST
LEARNING ENVIRONMENT. THIS
LEGISLATION TRULY EPITOMIZES THE
REASON WE NEED COLLECTIVE ACTION
. THE COST IS FOR THIS MASTER
PLAN IS JUST ENOUGH THAT NO ONE
SINGLE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A
SPECIFIC INCENTIVE TO CREATE A
GUIDE OF BEST PRACTICES FOR A
SCHOOL, BOTH FROM THE ENERGY
SAVINGS AND TO BE A GOOD MEMBER
OF OUR COMMUNITY. WHETHER A
SCHOOL HAS A CAMPUS THAT IS A
GOOD MODEL FOR SOLAR PANELS,
WHAT TYPE OF HEAT PUMP MAKES
BEST SENSE, AND HOW TO START A
GREEN SCHOOLYARD. THESE ARE ALL
DECISIONS THAT TAKE TIME,
THOUGHTFULNESS, AND FINANCIAL
RESOURCES. THIS LEGISLATION WILL
HELP A SCHOOL FIND THESE ANSWERS
IN A BEST PRACTICES GUIDE, WHOSE
BENEFITS WILL GO FAR BEYOND ONE
HEAT PUMP, A REPLACED ROOF, AND
WILL BENEFIT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY
BY HAVING THE STATE MAKE A SMALL
INVESTMENT, IT WILL CREATE LARGE
GAINS FOR OUR STATE, OUR
STUDENTS AND OUR WORLD. FOR
THOSE REASONS WE SUPPORT. 1182
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE IN SUPPORT OF SB
1182? MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS MIKE
WEST, ON BEHALF OF THE STATE
BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES
COUNCIL AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU.
NORA LIN WITH CHILDREN NOW IN
SUPPORT, Kò ROBINSON ON BEHALF
OF THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION
COALITION IN SUPPORT. THANKS
GOOD AFTERNOON. JANICE O'MALLEY,
AFSCME CALIFORNIA, HERE IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD
AFTERNOON, SASHA HOROWITZ, LOS
ANGELES UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT,
AND ALSO ON BEHALF OF LOS
ANGELES COUNTY OFFICE OF
EDUCATION IN SUPPORT. CHAIR AND
MEMBERS. NORLAND. ASHBROOK. ON
BEHALF OF REWIRING AMERICA IN
SUPPORT. FRANCESCA GREASY ON
BEHALF OF THE BLUE GREEN
ALLIANCE IN SUPPORT. DARRELL
LITTLE WITH NRDC IN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. CASSIE MANCINI ON
BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA SCHOOL
EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE IN SUPPORT OF 1182
SEEING NONE ANY ANY OPPOSITION
TO SB 1182? SEEING NONE. BRING
IT BACK TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE?
SEEING NONE. SENATOR, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO CLOSE? I RESPECTFULLY
ASK FOR AN AYE VOTE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, MADAM SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION
IS DO PASS, AS AMENDED TO
EDUCATION COMMITTEE. BRIAN.
FLORA. FLORA I BAUER-KAHAN
BARBARA KHN I FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN I HOOVER. HOOVER I
COLLURA I CHOLERA I LACKEY.
LACKEY. NOT VOTING MURATSUCHI
MERRILEES èC I PELLERIN WICKS
WOOD. BILLS OUT. WE'LL LEAVE IT
OPEN FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. SENATOR
SKINNER PRESENTING SB 1073.
ANYBODY CAN SIT HERE. SOMEBODY
CAN SIT HERE. THANK YOU, MR.
CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS, SB 1073
ALLOWS CALIFORNIA TO ENCOURAGE
THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOW CARBON
CONCRETE AND CEMENT PRODUCTS, IN
EFFECT, ENCOURAGES THE RESEARCH
AND DEVELOPMENT AND ACTUAL
MARKETIZATION OF NEW
TECHNOLOGIES AND NEW METHODS FOR
PRODUCING CONCRETE AND CEMENT.
AND WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? OR
WHY DO WE WANT TO DO THIS?
BECAUSE THE CEMENT INDUSTRY IS
ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT TO
DECARBONIZE. CURRENTLY, THAT
SECTOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 8% OF
GLOBAL EMISSIONS. AND AS WE
WORK, MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS,
CONSTRUCTING NEW BUILDINGS,
FIXING OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES AND
SUCH, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO
CONTINUE TO USE CEMENT AND
CONCRETE. SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE
TO HAVE THE LOWEST CARBON CEMENT
AND CONCRETE POSSIBLE, NOW WHAT
DOES SB 1073 DO? IT ALLOWS FOR
ADVANCE PURCHASE AGREEMENTS AND
ADVANCE PROCUREMENT OR PURCHASE
AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN USED VERY
SUCCESSFULLY BY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT BY DOE AND OTHER
AGENCIES TO HELP BRING TO MARKET
CLEAN ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES. SO
DOE AND DOE FOR SURE, DOT,
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND
OTHERS HAVE USED THESE, AND WHAT
1073 DOES IS ALLOWS STATE
AGENCIES, IF THEY CHOOSE IT DOES
NOT REQUIRE TO ENTER INTO
CONTRACTS FOR FUTURE PURCHASE OF
LOW CARBON CEMENT AND CONCRETE
PRODUCTS. SO THE AGENCY WOULD
STILL USE THE SPECIFICATIONS
THAT THEY NEED FOR THE
DURABILITY OF THE MATERIAL, FOR
THE, ABILITY FOR THE STRENGTH
AND, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU
WOULD EXPECT. SO THERE WOULD BE
NO CHANGE IN THAT. IT WOULD JUST
, SPECIFY THAT THEY HAVE A LOWER
CARBON CONTENT THAN CURRENTLY
AVAILABLE CEMENT AND CONCRETE
PRODUCTS. THE STATE AGENCIES
WOULD STILL DECIDE FOR WHAT
PURPOSES THEY MIGHT WANT TO USE
THIS, OR EVEN IF THEY DO WANT
TO. THERE'S AGAIN, AS I SAID, NO
REQUIREMENT THAT THEY TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF IT. BUT THE
BENEFIT, IF THEY DO IS THAT
THERE RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE MANY
COMPANIES WHO ARE, TESTING,
DEVELOPING AND ALSO A FEW THAT
ARE ALREADY IN THE MARKET, BUT
THEY'RE NOT YET SO WIDELY IN THE
MARKET THAT, SAY THERE WOULD BE
ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE, SAY,
WITH OTHER CONCRETE OR CEMENT.
BUT BY COMMUNICATING THROUGH AN
ADVANCE PURCHASE AGREEMENT,
LET'S SAY TEN YEARS FROM NOW, WE
WANT TO PURCHASE THIS, THEN IT'S
SENDING THAT MARKET SIGNAL THAT
WE WANT INVESTORS, WE WANT
COMPANIES TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON
THIS AND TO BRING THEM TO
MARKET. AND IF THEY MEET OUR
SPECIFICATIONS AND IF THEY'RE
ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, WE'LL BUY
THEM. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE
BILL DOES. AND MY WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT ARE SIMON BRANDLER FROM
THE DECARBONIZED CEMENT AND
CONCRETE ALLIANCE, REPRESENTING
SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE
EXACTLY DOING THIS. AND LAUREN
KUBIAK FROM THE NATURAL
RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL, THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST WITNESS TWO
MINUTES APIECE, PLEASE, GOOD
AFTERNOON, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY
NAME IS LAUREN KUBIAK, AND I'M A
SENIOR SCIENTIST AT NRDC, THE
NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE
COUNCIL. SPEAKING AS A SUPPORTER
AND CO-SPONSOR OF SB 1073, SB
1073 AUTHORIZES STATE AGENCIES
TO ENTER FORWARD CONTRACTS TO
PURCHASE LOW CARBON CEMENT AND
CONCRETE PRODUCTS UP TO TEN
YEARS IN ADVANCE, CLARIFYING
SUCH AUTHORITY WILL REMOVE A KEY
BARRIER TO UNLOCKING DEEP
DECARBONIZATION OF CALIFORNIA'S
CEMENT SECTOR, WHICH IS CRITICAL
TO ACHIEVING CALIFORNIA'S NET
ZERO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
TARGETS FOR BOTH ITS ECONOMY AND
CEMENT SECTORS. CEMENT, THE KEY
INGREDIENT IN CONCRETE, IS THE
BUILDING BLOCK OF MODERN
INFRASTRUCTURE AND ACCOUNTS FOR
NEARLY 8% OF ALL GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS. HERE IN CALIFORNIA,
CEMENT PRODUCTION IS THE SECOND
LARGEST INDUSTRIAL SOURCE OF
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
CALIFORNIA HAS ENACTED
LEGISLATION INCLUDING SB 596,
REQUIRING ALL CEMENT USED IN
CALIFORNIA TO BE NET ZERO
EMISSION BY 2045. COMPLEMENTARY
POLICIES, INCLUDING ENSURING
THAT THE STATE CAN PURCHASE LOW
EMISSION CEMENT AND CONCRETE,
WILL BE CRITICAL TO MEETING THIS
GOAL. THE US DEPARTMENT OF
ENERGY AND ITS COMMERCIAL
LIFTOFF REPORT FOR CEMENT
DECARBONIZATION HAS IDENTIFIED
ADVANCED PROCUREMENT MODELS AS A
TOOL NECESSARY TO SCALE ULTRA
LOW EMISSION CEMENT AND CONCRETE
. SB 1073 CLARIFIES THIS IS A
TOOL THAT CALIFORNIA STATE
AGENCIES CAN DEPLOY IN LINE WITH
THE STATE'S CEMENT
DECARBONIZATION EFFORTS AND
CLIMATE TARGETS AT LARGE. WE
GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR I VOTE
ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. THANK
YOU SO MUCH. NEXT WITNESS
PLEASE. THANK YOU. SENATOR
SKINNER, TO THANK YOU, CHAIR.
BRIAN. VICE CHAIR. FLORA AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF
OF DC TWO, WHICH IS THE
DECARBONIZED CEMENT AND CONCRETE
ALLIANCE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF
SENATE BILL 1073. MY NAME IS
SIMON BRANDLER, AND I SERVE AS
VP FOR POLICY AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS
AT BRIMSTONE IN OAKLAND,
CALIFORNIA. COMPANY WITH A
DEEPLY DECARBONIZED PROCESS FOR
MAKING INDUSTRY STANDARD CEMENT,
WE HELPED FOUND DC TWO, WHICH
NOW CONSISTS OF 12 INNOVATIVE US
BASED, VENTURE BACKED COMPANIES
WITH SOLUTIONS TO TACKLE CEMENT
AND CONCRETE EMISSIONS. FOUR OF
THOSE ARE BASED IN CALIFORNIA.
PASSAGE OF SB 1073 WOULD MARK A
SIGNIFICANT MILESTONE TOWARDS
ACHIEVING CALIFORNIA'S CLIMATE
GOALS AND CLEANING UP A SECTOR
ACCOUNTING FOR ABOUT 7.5% OR 8%
OF GLOBAL CARBON EMISSIONS.
ACHIEVING CALIFORNIA'S CLIMATE
TARGET GOALS DEPENDS ON
PROCURING CEMENT AND CONCRETE,
WITH MUCH LOWER CARBON LEVELS
THAN ANYTHING COMMERCIALLY
AVAILABLE AT SCALE TODAY. SB
1073 WOULD CLARIFY THE
DISCRETION OF CALIFORNIA STATE
AGENCIES TO SECURE SOURCES OF
THESE ESSENTIAL MATERIALS YEARS
IN ADVANCE, SIMILAR TO POWER
PURCHASE AGREEMENTS USED TO
DEVELOP CLEAN ENERGY, THIS
CONTRACTUAL TOOL WOULD ENABLE
STATE AGENCIES TO CREATE A
PIPELINE OF LOW CARBON
MATERIALS. CRITICALLY, THESE
COMMISSIONS COMMITMENTS WOULD
ALSO UNLOCK FINANCING FOR
EMERGING SUPPLIERS, ALLOWING
THEM TO SCALE THEIR PROCESSES
SOONER AND BRING TRANSFORMATION,
ULTRA LOW CARBON CEMENT AND
CONCRETE SOLUTIONS TO THE MARKET
. SB 1073 WOULD PUT CALIFORNIA
AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE GROWING
NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL
EFFORT, INCLUDING FROM THE US
DOE AND THE FIRST MOVERS
COALITION TO USE FORWARD
AGREEMENTS, ALSO CALLED ADVANCED
MARKET COMMITMENTS, TO CATALYZE
THE CLEAN INDUSTRIAL TRANSITION
FOR CEMENT AND CONCRETE. WE
GREATLY APPRECIATE SENATOR
SKINNER FOR INTRODUCING THIS
IMPORTANT LEGISLATION AND THE
COMMITTEE FOR ITS CONSIDERATION.
I ASK FOR YOUR AYE VOTE. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE
ELSE IN SUPPORT OF SB 1073? NAME
AN ORGANIZATION, PLEASE. MEGAN
SHUMWAY, ON BEHALF OF CLIMATE
ACTION CALIFORNIA CLIMATE HEALTH
NOW, SACRAMENTO 350 AND
SACRAMENTO ACT IN SUPPORT. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON,
CHRIS ROSA, ON BEHALF OF THE
SIERRA CLUB IN SUPPORT, THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE IN
OPPOSITION TO SB 1073, YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES.
MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS, BRETT
BARROW WITH THE NATIONAL
ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS
ASSOCIATION, THE CALIFORNIA
LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE OF THE
PLUMBING, HEATING AND PIPING
INDUSTRY, AND UNITED CONTRACTORS
, OF WHICH WE'RE THE LARGEST
UNION CONTRACTOR, CONTRACTORS IN
THE STATE DOING ROADWAYS,
BRIDGES AND HIGHWAY WORK, WE
CERTAINLY SUPPORT BUILDING CLEAN
AND USING CLEAN MATERIALS.
HOWEVER, WE ARE HERE TODAY
OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED FOR,
REASONS THAT GO TO THE
CONTRACTOR'S LIABILITY UNDER
PROJECT AND FEASIBILITY. AND
CURRENTLY WHEN A WHEN A BID IS
AWARDED, THE CONTRACTOR WILL
SOURCE THE CONCRETE FOR A
PROJECT, ESPECIALLY A HIGHWAY
PROJECT THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE
AND WILL MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS
OF THE STATE, INCLUDING
MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE NEEDED
FOR STRENGTH, TEMPERATURE,
COLOR, ETC. AND IT'S A VERY
COMPLEX PROCESS, AND WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT IF THE STATE USES
THIS OPTIONAL PROCUREMENT METHOD
, WHICH IS A FORWARD CONTRACT TO
PURCHASE CONCRETE, THAT, IT
DOESN'T END UP IN A SITUATION
WHERE THE STATE PURCHASES THAT
CONCRETE. AND THEN WE FIND THE
CONTRACTOR LIABLE FOR SUPPLY
ISSUES, DELIVERABILITY ISSUES,
OR PROJECT COMPLETION ISSUES,
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT,
LIABILITY WOULD FALL ON THE
CONTRACTOR'S HEAD. SO WE'VE
ASKED FOR AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD
SAY THAT THE STATE SHOULD
EVALUATE AND WARRANT THE
FEASIBILITY OF USING THESE TYPE
OF PROJECTS ON, ON IN THE FUTURE
, AND THAT THEY WOULD STAND
BEHIND THOSE PRODUCTS WHEN THEY
ARE USED. AND FOR THOSE REASONS,
WE ARE OPPOSED UNLESS ADMITTED.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. ANY OTHER WITNESSES IN
OPPOSITION TO 1073 SEEING NONE,
BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE
MEMBERS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS? MR.
MURATSUCHI? THANK YOU. SENATOR,
COULD YOU RESPOND TO THE PLEA OF
THE CONTRACTORS TO HOLD THEM?
FREE FROM LIABILITY, CERTAINLY,
I'VE NOT SEEN LANGUAGE FROM
THEM, BUT CERTAINLY WILL, VERY
OPEN TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WE'D
OBVIOUSLY WANT TO WRITE THAT
CAREFULLY BECAUSE THERE COULD BE
OTHER REASONS THAT THEY HAVE
LIABILITY. SO BUT CERTAINLY IF
THERE WAS A, IF IT WERE VERY,
NEAR A ROAD TO THE USE OF A NEW
CEMENT OR CONCRETE PRODUCT THAT
WAS DUE TO THE STATE'S LOW
CARBON GOAL, AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO
COME UP WITH THE WORDING
CAREFULLY, AND I'M OBVIOUSLY
WOULD BE ALSO HAPPY TO TALK TO
THE STATE AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE
THAT IN DOING SO, WE WERE NOT,
FURTHER, ADDING TO STATE
LIABILITY. SO, BUT VERY OPEN TO
THAT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. DID YOU HAVE A
RESPONSE TO THAT? YES. IN FACT,
WE INCLUDED OUR REQUEST AND
AMENDMENTS IN IN OUR LETTER OF
OPPOSITION OPPOSED UNLESS
AMENDED. AND SO IN A SENSE, IT
SAYS THE TWO THINGS IS THAT THE
STATE WOULD EVALUATE THE
FEASIBILITY WHICH WHICH WHICH,
YOU KNOW, SAYS IS THE MATERIAL
CAPABLE OF BEING INSTALLED IN A
SUCCESSFUL MANNER, IS IT SAFE
FOR, SAFE FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY
DOES PROJECT USING MATERIALS CAN
BE DESIGNED TO PROVIDE
EQUIVALENT FUNCTION, SAME USEFUL
LIFE PERFORMANCE DURABILITY AS
THE BASELINE MATERIALS AND
ONWARDS AND THAT AND IN FACT THE
AND IF IT SHOULD IF IT SHOULD
FAIL CAUSE BODILY INJURY AND
OTHERWISE THAT THAT DOESN'T FALL
BACK ON THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE
NOT THE CONTRACTOR WHO'S
PURCHASING AND SECURING THAT
SUPPLIER, IT'S ULTIMATELY THE
STATE. SO I HAVE THAT LANGUAGE.
OKAY AND, I'M NOW RECALLING SOME
CONVERSATION NOT WITH THE, WITH
THAT, WITH YOUR FOLKS, BUT THAT
THERE, AND WE WILL HAVE TO GO
BACK AND TALK TO AGENCIES, TOO,
BUT THAT THE SOME OF THE
LANGUAGE IN THE BILL IN, GIVES
THAT PROTECTION ALREADY BECAUSE
OF THE ISSUE OF THAT, IT MUST
MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT THE
STATE REQUIRE. BUT I'M HAPPY.
LIKE I SAID, I'M VERY HAPPY TO,
TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER TO
MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PROPERLY
ADDRESSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. B¢O. KHN I THINK YOU JUST
ADDRESSED THIS, BUT I GUESS I'M
A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED WHY, IF
THE STANDARDS ARE THE SAME,
THERE WOULD BE INCREASED
LIABILITY, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT
THE SENATOR JUST SAID. BUT I
GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION. SO
WHEN WE BID A PROJECT, WE BID
BASED ON THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT
THE STATE HAS LAID OUT FOR THE
RIGHT. RIGHT. WE DO. THE STATE
WOULD IN THIS CASE, AND THE
SENATOR HAS SAID THAT NOTHING IN
THESE CAN BE DIFFERENT THAN
TODAY'S, WHICH IS WHY SHE'S
PUTTING IT TEN YEARS OUT. SHE'S
NOT DOING IT TOMORROW BECAUSE
THEY COULDN'T MEET THOSE
STANDARDS TOMORROW, AS I
UNDERSTAND IT. IS THAT RIGHT? I
THINK, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BEING
SO WE BID TO THE SPECIFICATIONS
AND THEN WE GO AS A CONTRACTOR,
FIND A SUPPLIER WHO CAN MEET
THOSE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE
PROJECT AND LOCATION THAT WE'RE
DOING THE PROJECT. WE PURCHASE
THAT CONTRACT FROM THEM. OUR
SUPPLIER THEN SUPPLIES THE
PROJECT, AND WE'VE COMPLETED AND
HOLD THE LIABILITY FOR THAT
UNDER THE FUTURE PURCHASE
AGREEMENT, THE STATE WOULD BE
PURCHASING FROM A SUPPLIER,
LEAVING THE CONTRACTOR OUT OF
THAT. SO ESSENTIALLY, THE STATE
IS SAYING WE HAVE SECURED THIS
CONCRETE, YOU MUST GO USE THAT
CONCRETE. AND IF THE CONTRACTOR
GOES TO USE THAT CONCRETE FROM
WHATEVER SUPPLIER OR MULTIPLE
SUPPLIERS, THERE ARE, AND IT
BECOMES A PROBLEM EITHER WITH
SUPPLY OR CONDITION OR OR
STRENGTH, THEN THE RELATIONSHIPS
, THE CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN LEFT
OUT OF THAT. SO IT'S A BREACH OF
CONTRACT LIABILITY. YOU'RE
CONCERNED ABOUT ESSENTIALLY YES.
GOT IT. OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE
SENSE. YES. AND GLAD WE CAN NAIL
THAT DOWN. YES, RIGHT. AND THAT
DOES MAKE SENSE THAT IF WE ARE
CONTRACTING IN ADVANCE THAT IT
DOES CHANGE THAT RELATIONSHIP.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CAN
CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. AND
THAT DOES SEEM DISTINCT FROM
LIABILITY FOR FALLING BRIDGE OR
SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, I
THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY A
BRILLIANT BILL BECAUSE I THINK
IT DOES EXACTLY WHAT THE SENATOR
SAYS, WHICH IS REALLY SIGNAL TO
THE MARKET. THIS IS WHERE THE
STATE IS GOING TO GO AND PUT OUR
MONEY BEHIND IT. AND I THINK
THAT WHEN WE DO THAT AND WE'VE
DONE IT IN OTHER SPACES,
INNOVATION HAPPENS, RIGHT?
BECAUSE THE MARKET FEELS
CONFIDENT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO
SELL THE PRODUCT. THEY'RE
INNOVATING AROUND. SO I THINK
IT'S A GREAT BILL. BUT HOPEFULLY
WE CAN ADDRESS THIS CONTRACTING
ISSUE. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE MY
COMMITMENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
FROM THE COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. SENATOR, I DON'T
THINK THIS IS YOUR FIRST RODEO
IN THE CONCRETE SPACE ACTUALLY.
SO AND I APPRECIATE THE DIALOG
FROM OUR COLLEAGUES. AND I HAVE
EVERY, CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'LL
WORK THROUGH. I MEAN, YOU HAVE
NO INTENTIONS ON HURTING THE
CONTRACTORS OUT THERE AT ALL, SO
I THINK WE CAN SORT THROUGH
THAT. AS A DUE PASS FROM THE
CHAIR. I RECOMMEND WE NEED A
MOTION A SECOND. THIS I THINK WE
GOT IT, SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL. THE MOTION IS DUE.
PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. BRIAN.
FLORA. FLORA, I BAUER, KHN
BAUER-KAHAN I FRIEDMAN. FRED MEN
I HOOVER. HOOVER I CHOLERA
CHOLERA. I LAKI LAKI I
MURATSUCHI I MURATSUCHI I
PELLERIN WIX WIX I WOULD. THE
BILL IS OUT. WE'LL LEAVE IT UP
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. THANK YOU,
SENATOR. THANK YOU. NEXT UP,
WE'LL GO TO SENATOR. MEN, SB
1402. I LIKE THAT SUIT. OH.
THANK YOU. VERY STYLISH TODAY.
ALL RIGHT. I TRY. THANK YOU.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. GO AHEAD AND
PROCEED. MR. CHAIR. I'M SORRY.
ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR
AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SB 1402
WOULD REQUIRE ALL STATE AGENCIES
TO CONSIDER THE 30 BY 30 GOAL OF
TRYING TO PRESERVE AND CONSERVE
AT LEAST 30% OF CALIFORNIA'S
LAND AND COASTAL WATERS BY THE
YEAR 2030. WHENEVER ADOPTING,
REVISING OR ESTABLISHING PLANS,
POLICIES AND REGULATIONS. IN
2020, GOVERNOR NEWSOM ISSUED
EXECUTIVE ORDER N 8220 TO ADOPT
THIS GOAL AND THEN I AUTHORED A
BILL AND A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO
TO CODIFY, THE 30 BY 30 GOAL
INTO LAW, SB 337. I ALSO WANT TO
THANK THIS COMMITTEE AND THE
WORK OF OUR COLLEAGUE,
ASSEMBLYMEMBER KALRA, FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE AS
WELL. WE KNOW THAT CONSERVATION
IS ONE OF THE BEST TOOLS WE HAVE
TO PREVENT FURTHER EXTINCTIONS,
PROTECT OUR BIODIVERSITY AND
ECOSYSTEMS, AND WHILE CALIFORNIA
HAS MADE CRITICAL INVESTMENTS IN
CONSERVATION TO FURTHER THE 30
BY 30 GOAL, MY CONCERN IS THAT
THIS GOAL NEEDS FURTHER,
PLANNING IN OUR POLICIES AND
REGULATIONS OF OUR STATE
AGENCIES TO GAIN HOLD. I HAVE NO
WITNESSES HERE TODAY. THANK YOU.
SENATOR. SO ANY WITNESSES IN
SUPPORT OF SB 1402? HELLO, KAYLA
ROBINSON, ON BEHALF OF THE
CYPRIOT WOMEN'S FUND, EAST BAY
REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT LAND
TRUST OF SANTA CRUZ COUNTY,
CALIFORNIA STATE PARKS
FOUNDATION AND MIDPENINSULA
REGIONAL OPEN SPACE DISTRICT,
ALL IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK
YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AFTERNOON. MELISSA ROMERO WITH
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL VOTERS
IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. MEGAN
SHUMWAY, ON BEHALF OF SACRAMENTO
. 350, IN STRONG SUPPORT AND
ALSO SACRAMENTO AREA
CONGREGATIONS TOGETHER IN
SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. ANYONE IN OPPOSITION
TO SB 1402 SEEING NONE BEING
BACK TO COMMITTEE. ANY
QUESTIONS? COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
MR. KALRA THANK THANK YOU, MR.
CHAIR. I THINK I'M
CONSTITUTIONALLY REQUIRED TO
MENTION THAT I AUTHORED AB 3030,
AND, AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO
THE WORK OF SENATOR MINH. THE
PARTNERSHIP, IN YOUR STRONG
LEADERSHIP AND NOT JUST THE
CODIFICATION, BUT THE FOLLOW UP
LEGISLATION, BECAUSE AGAIN, AT
THE END OF THE DAY, NOT ONLY DO
WE NEED TO TRACK WHAT WE'RE
DOING, BUT WE NEED TO ENSURE
THAT OUR AGENCIES REALLY HAVE
THE 30 BY 30 GOALS AT THE FRONT
END OF THEIR POLICY WORK. AND SO
I THINK THAT IS INCREDIBLY
IMPORTANT, AND IT FURTHER
ASSURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET
OUR GOAL, OUR 2030 GOAL, AS
DIFFICULT AS IT IS AND
CHALLENGING AS IT IS, I'M
CONFIDENT WE'LL DO IT. AND
ACTUALLY I'M QUITE CONFIDENT
WE'LL EXCEED IT BECAUSE OF
LEGISLATION LIKE THIS. THANK
YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
COMMITTEE? SEEING Þ, MR.
FRIEDMAN? THANKS. WELL, I ALSO
WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY COLLEAGUE
FOR HIS WORK IN THIS AREA AND TO
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BILL
FORWARD. I CHAIR A SELECT
COMMITTEE ON BIODIVERSITY AND
BIODIVERSITY IS ONLY NOW REALLY
STARTING TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS THE
IMPERATIVE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
WE'RE IN A CRISIS OF MASS
EXTINCTIONS, AND CLIMATE CHANGE
IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, OF
COURSE, AND KIND OF OVERARCHES
EVERYTHING BUT BIODIVERSITY IS
REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL. AND 30
BY 30 AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S
REAL IS TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT.
SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING THIS BILL FORWARD AND
FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, AND I'M
VERY PROUD TO SUPPORT IT TODAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
COMMITTEE SEEING NONE. WE NEED A
MOTION AND A SECOND. WE GOT A
MOTION. WE NEED A SECOND.
SENATOR WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE?
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR. AYE
VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM
SECRETARY. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THE MOTION IS DUE. PASS TO
WATER, PARKS AND WILDLIFE
COMMITTEE. BRIAN. FLORA NØ FLORA
NØ BAUER-KAHAN BAUER. KHN I
FRIEDMAN. FRIEDMAN I HOOVER.
HOOVER. NO. CHOLERA HI, CHOLERA
I LACKEY. SORRY, I CAN'T I MEAN
LACKEY. NO. MURATSUCHI SORRY, I
CAN MURATSUCHI I PELLERIN WICKS
I WICKS I WOULD YOU WERE
THINKING ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. MY
FAVORITE IS THAT EVERY TIME THE
BILL IS OUT, WE'LL LEAVE IT UP
FOR ABSENT MEMBERS. CHAIR. ALL
RIGHT, COLLEAGUES ON NATURAL
RESOURCES, WE ARE GOING TO START
FROM THE TOP. SO IF YOU'RE NOT
IN THE COMMITTEE, PLEASE COME ON
DOWN. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH
CONSENT. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO
START FROM ITEM NUMBER ONE AND
MOVE ON DOWN TO FILE CONSENT
CALENDAR ITEMS ARE SB 941,
SKINNER, SB 972 MEN, SB 1014
DODD, SB 1101 LIMÓN, SB 1136
STERN, SB 1176 NILO, SB 1207
DOLLY, SB 1425 GONZALEZ AND SB
1433 LEMON. ABSENT MEMBERS
HOOVER A, HOOVER A CHOLERA A
CHOLERA, A WICKS WICKS I VILLAS
TEN VOTES. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL
START WITH, FILE ITEM TWO SB
951. MOTION IS TO PASS, AS
AMENDED. HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT. ABSENT. MEMBERS.
FRIEDMAN FRIEDMAN I HOOVER.
HOOVER I CHOLERA. CHOLERA I LAKI
LAKI I MURATSUCHI NOT VOTING
MURATSUCHI. NOT VOTING WICKS I
WICKS I THAT HAS NINE VOTES.
BILL HAS NINE VOTES. WE'LL LEAVE
IT OPEN FOR A MINUTE. MOVING ON
TO FILE ITEM NUMBER FIVE. SB
1045, FIGURE WIENER. WE'RE GOOD
ON THAT ONE WIENER COASTAL
COMMISSION BILL AND YOUR
REFLEXIVELY OFF EXACTLY. ON THE
SAFE SIDE. I'M 16 1045. ALL
RIGHT, GOING ON TO SB 1045 BLAKE
SPEAR MOTION IS Dð PASS TO LOCAL
GOVERNMENT CHAIR VOTING AYE.
ABSENT MEMBERS. FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN. AYE. HOOVER HOOVER.
AYE. CHOLERA. CHOLERA. AYE WICKS
1045. YES WICKS. AYE BILL HAS
NINE VOTES. MOVING ON TO FILE
ITEM NUMBER SIX, SB 1073.
SKINNER OH, NO. MOVING ON TO
FILE NUMBER SEVEN. SB 1077 BLAKE
SPEAR MOTION IS TO PASS AS
AMENDED. HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT. ABSENT. MEMBERS.
FRIEDMAN. FREED MEN I HOOVER.
I'M SORRY. WHICH FILE ARE WE ON?
777 I HOOVER I CHOLERA CHOLERA.
I WICKS WICKS I THAT BILL IS TEN
VOTES. IT'S OUT 97. I MOVE IT ON
TO FILE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT SB
1092 BLAKE SPEAR. THE MOTION IS
TO PASS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
ABSENT MEMBERS. FRIEDMAN
FRIEDMAN I HOOVER HOOVER I
CHOLERA CHOLERA I MURATSUCHI I
MURATSUCHI II I WICKS I WICKS I
BILL AS TEN VOTES. IT'S OUT
MOVING ON TO FILE ITEM TEN FILE
ITEM TEN 1113. MOTION IS Dð PASS
TO APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING
AYE. ABSENT MEMBERS. FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN I HOOVER 1113 NEWMAN. I
HOOVER I CHOLERA. CHOLERA. I
WICKS WICKS I THAT HAS TEN
VOTES. BILL HAS TEN VOTES. IT'S
OUT. MOVING ON TO FILE NUMBER 12
SB 1159 DODD THE MOTION IS TO
PASS, AS AMENDED, TO
APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING AYE.
ABSENT MEMBERS. FRIEDMAN.
FRIEDMAN I CHOLERA. CHOLERA I
LAKI LAKI I MURATSUCHI I
MURATSUCHI I WICKS I WICKS I TEN
VOTES, TEN VOTES. IT'S OUT
MOVING ON TO FILE ITEM NUMBER
14, SB 1182. GONZALEZ MOTION IS
TO PASS, AS AMENDED TO EDUCATION
ABSENT MEMBER WICKS WICKS I AND
WE'LL LEAVE THAT UP. THAT BILL
WILL LEAVE OPEN FOR THE CHAIR.
MOVING ON TO FILE ITEM NUMBER 16
SB 1280 LAIRD MOTION IS Dð PASS
TO APPROPRIATIONS CHAIR VOTING
AYE. ABSENT MEMBER. WICKS. WICKS
I. FELL SEVEN VOTES OUT. WE'LL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR A MINUTE.
MOVING ON TO FILE ITEM NUMBER
18. ATKINS SB 1342. MOTION IS
Dð. PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS.
CHAIR. VOTING AYE. ABSENT.
MEMBERS. FRIEDMAN HOOVER. HOOVER
I CHOLERA. CHOLERA I WICKS I.
WICKS I BILLS NINE VOTES. WE'LL
LEAVE IT OPEN FOR A MINUTE.
MOVING ON TO FILE ITEM I THINK I
THINK THE.
ALL RIGHT COLLEAGUES, EVERYBODY
THAT'S HERE IS GOOD. WE'RE GOING
TO LEAVE THE. WE'LL STAY HERE
UNTIL THE CHAIR GETS BACK. SO
WHAT IF WE JUST WANT TO HANG
OUT? YOU'RE WELCOME TO. OH. I'M
SORRY. I THOUGHT I THOUGHT YOU
WERE ONE MORE. YOU DID MENTION
THAT EARLIER. I FORGOT. SORRY.
NO IT'S SB 1342. ATKINS. HI
FRIEDMAN I THAT HAS TEN VOTES.
TEN VOTES? ALL RIGHT, SO THEY
PUT ME. THERE'S ONLY FOUR BILLS
THEY LIKE. I HAVE STUFF. Dð
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SEE YOU.
COME ANY TIME. SORRY, I THINK I
RESCHEDULED MY. YOU DID? YEAH.
YEAH, SORRY, I WAS IT'S CRAZY.
WE'RE ON A TIGHT SHIP. I MISSED
THE REAL FUN. YEAH. OKAY. YOU
READY? SIR WE'RE GOING.
VERY BOTTOM.
THAT MIDDLE OF THE. YEAH THIS.
WELCOME BACK, MR. CHAIR. WE'RE
GOING TO GO TO FILE ITEM 6AB OR.
I'M SORRY, SB 1073. MOTION IS Dð
. PASS TO APPROPRIATIONS. BRIAN
A BRIAN, I HAS NINE VOTES. NINE
VOTES. IT'S OUT. GO ON THE FILE
ITEM 14 SB 1182. MOTION IS TO
PASS AS AMENDED TO EDUCATION.
BRIAN A BRIAN I HAS EIGHT VOTES.
BILLY VOTES. IT'S OUT. MOVING ON
TO FILE ITEM 19 SB 1402 MOTION
IS DUE. PASS TO WATER PARKS AND
WILDLIFE COMMITTEE. BRIAN A
BRIAN A BILL IS OUT. MR. CHAIR,
IT'S ALL YOURS. OH, NO. THANK
YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR, FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP IN THIS COMMITTEE. IF
YOU'D LIKE TO GAVEL US OUT, THIS
CONCLUDES AIDS, SIMPLY NATURAL
RESOURCE COMMITTEE HEARING TODAY
.