GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE, AND WE
REALLY APPRECIATE THE LARGE
ATTENDANCE HERE TODAY. HYDROGEN
IS GOING TO PLAY A CRITICAL ROLE
AS WE TRY TO MOVE FROM A CARBON
ECONOMY TO A CARBON LESS ECONOMY
AND DEAL WITH ALL OF THE CLIMATE
CHANGE CHALLENGES THAT THE WORLD
FACES, AND THAT CALIFORNIA
FACES, SO REALLY APPRECIATE
THIS, MY, OVERALL CONCEPT IS WE
WILL NEVER GET TO, THE NUMBER OF
RENEWABLES THAT WE NEED IF WE
DON'T HAVE A WAY TO STORE SOME
OF THE ENERGY FROM THOSE
RENEWABLES THAT ARE OUT THERE,
AND HYDROGEN IS GOING TO BE ONE
OF THE KEY WAYS THAT WE WILL DO
THAT. STORAGE BUT THERE WILL BE
MANY OTHER WAYS THAT HYDROGEN
WILL WILL FIT INTO OUR ECONOMY
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, TODAY WE
ONLY HAVE TWO HOURS. THAT'S NOT
OUR DECISION. WE WOULD LIKE TO
HAVE HAD THIS HEARING GO FOR AS
LONG AS IT WAS NEEDED, AS LONG
AS WE COULD KEEP EVERYONE
ENGAGED. BUT THAT'S HOW LONG
WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE ROOM,
SO CONSEQUENTLY, PEOPLE WILL BE
LIMITED TO FOUR MINUTES EACH, IN
TERMS OF THE PRESENTATION,
WHICH, BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE
AND GETTING FOUR MINUTES, I KNOW
IS NOT VERY MUCH TIME, BUT I
HOPE THAT YOU'LL VIEW THIS AS
THE INITIAL INVITATION TO
IDENTIFY THE KEY POINTS THAT YOU
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, BOTH ABOUT
WHATEVER INDUSTRY, WHATEVER,
GROUP ORGANIZATION YOU HAPPEN TO
BE REPRESENTING. WHAT ARE YOU
DOING THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF
AS WE CONSIDER THE FUNDAMENTAL
QUESTION, HOW DO WE GEAR UP THE
PRODUCTION OF HYDROGEN AND HOW
DO WE GEAR UP THE OFFTAKE OF
HYDROGEN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
LOOKING AT FROM THE LEGISLATIVE
STANDPOINT AND THAT WE HOPE,
THIS HEARING WILL HELP US. I HAD
TWO CONVERSATIONS A DAY WITH TWO
KEY LEGISLATORS INVOLVED IN THIS,
AND THEY BOTH SAID, SO WHAT ARE
THE INCENTIVES THAT WE NEED TO
COME UP WITH FOR PRODUCTION AND
FOR OFFTAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE THE PRODUCTION AND NOBODY
WANTS TO PRODUCE IF THERE'S NOT
GOING TO BE THE PROPER OFFTAKE
OUT THERE, NOBODY WANTS TO DO.
IT'S THE CLASSIC CHICKEN AND
EGG. NOBODY WANTS TO BE AN OFF
TAKER. IF THEY DON'T KNOW THAT
THERE'S GOING TO BE PRODUCTION,
MARKET ECONOMIES HAVE TO WORK
HARDER AT THAT THAN COMMAND
ECONOMIES WHERE THEY CAN JUST
DICTATE THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE A
LOSS LEADER UNTIL THINGS CATCH
UP, SO WE NEED YOUR EXPERTISE
THERE. SO, I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO
LOOK AT YOUR POWERPOINTS. A LOT
OF IMPRESSIVE WORK GOING ON. WE
WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. BUT IF
AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN
IDENTIFY WHERE ARE THE CHOKE
POINTS, WHAT IS THE STICK POINT?
WHAT IS STOPPING YOU FROM
SCALING UP EVEN FASTER? BIGGER
BETTER? SCALING UP EITHER ON THE
OFFTAKE SIDE OR ON THE
PRODUCTION SIDE. WE WOULD REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. ONE
OF THE ADVANTAGES OF HAVING THIS
AS A SELECT COMMITTEE HEARING IS
THAT ALL OF THIS IS BEING
RECORDED. IT WILL BE OFFICIALLY
KEPT IN IN THE ARCHIVES.
EVERYBODY CAN WATCH IT. WE HAVE
MANY LEGISLATORS INTERESTED, AND
WE HAVE MANY LEGISLATORS THAT
ARE BUSY WITH LOTS OF THINGS. SO
TRADITIONALLY SELECT COMMITTEES
USUALLY HAVE A DROP IN OR TWO
FROM SOME OF THE OTHER COMMITTEE
MEMBERS, BUT IT'S USUALLY JUST
RUN BY THE CHAIR. IN THIS
ENVIRONMENT. BUT I WANT YOU TO
KNOW IT WON'T BE ONLY OBSERVED
BY ONE LEGISLATOR. THERE'LL BE A
LOT OF PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY
STAFF OF THE LEGISLATORS, THAT
WILL BE ALSO WATCHING THIS. SO
REALLY WELCOME YOU BEING HERE
TODAY. AND I THINK I'M STAYING
WITHIN MY FOUR MINUTES THAT I
WAS ALLOCATED TO GET THIS KICKED
OFF, AND WITH THAT WE HAVE,
CHAIRS FOR SIX HERE. AND
UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE SEVEN ON
THE PANEL. SO, THE, I, I HAVE,
SO, PAUL, YOU'LL BE THE LAST
PERSON, AND WHAT I THINK I'LL DO
IS I WILL CALL UP FOUR, AND THEN
I'LL CALL UP THREE IN TERMS OF,
DOING THAT. SO, ANGELITA,
GALYSHEVA FROM ARCHES, THE CEO
OF ARCHES, CHRIS HANNON,
PRESIDENT, BUILDING, STATE
BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES
COUNCIL, DAWN, DAWN BARNES, CEO
OF FOOTHILL TRANSIT AND JASON
CORDELL, CEO OF CITY OF
LANCASTER AND, ONE OTHER THING,
AND THAT IS IF YOU HAVE A
POWERPOINT AND YOU WANT THE
POWERPOINT AS PART OF YOUR FOUR
MINUTE PRESENTATION, THE
SERGEANT IS READY OVER THERE,
BUT SHE HAS A MOUSE OVER THERE
IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL IT
YOURSELF OR IF YOU WANT TO ASK
HER TO PUSH THE SLIDE. SO, ANY
OF THE FOUR OF YOU, WOULD YOU
LIKE THE MOUSE? RIGHT. YOU'RE
GOOD. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. AND
WITH THAT, AND WITH NO FURTHER
ADO, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE,
ANGELINA HERE REPRESENTING
ARCHES. AND THEN BOARD MEMBERS
FROM ARCHES LIKE CHRIS. ARCHES,
JUST TO GET THIS ON THE RECORD,
WAS AWARDED $1.2 BILLION FROM
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND THEY
RECENTLY SIGNED THE ACTUAL
CONTRACT FOR THAT. AND ARCHES IS
THE HYDROGEN HUB APPLICATION,
COMMITTEE, THEY SUBMITTED THE
HYDROGEN HUB APPLICATION, THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE WERE
AWARDED THAT AND IT WAS BASED ON
A COMMITMENT TO GREEN HYDROGEN.
AND THAT JUST SEEMS SO
APPROPRIATE TO CALIFORNIA. AND
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH
HERE IN CALIFORNIA. SO WITH
THAT, ANGELINA, YOU'RE ON. THANK
YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US
HERE. AND, IF WE CAN JUST PULL
UP THE PRESENTATION, THE ONE
SLIDE THAT'S IN THE SYSTEM, THAT
WOULD BE GREAT. IT'S BEEN
WONDERFUL TO HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU,
CHAIRMAN BENNETT, WE'RE EXCITED
TO BE HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT
IS NECESSARY. YOU GOT TO TALK
RIGHT INTO THE END OF THESE
THINGS. HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME?
OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, I'LL.
OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP AS WELL. WE'VE
APPRECIATED THE CONVERSATIONS
AND HAVING THE DIALOG TO MAKE
SURE THAT. SORRY WE CAN WORK
TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN
ACTUALLY BUILD OUT THE
SUSTAINABLE MARKETPLACE AND
ECOSYSTEM FOR HYDROGEN, FOR
CALIFORNIA, THAT ALLOWS US TO
REACH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS
FASTER ON AN ACCELERATED MANNER,
IN A MUCH MORE OPTIMIZED FASHION,
ENSURING RELIABILITY AND
RESILIENCY OF OUR ENERGY SYSTEM.
AND OF COURSE, BEING DEDICATED
TO ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE,
FRONTLINE COMMUNITIES, JOBS PLAN
AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE
CAREERS IN IN THIS INDUSTRY
AVAILABLE TO COMMUNITIES THAT
HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN
UNDERREPRESENTED. AS YOU KNOW,
ARCHES WAS AWARDED $1.2 BILLION,
BUT ARCHES ALSO HAS UNLOCKED A
POTENTIAL OF AN ADDITIONAL $10
BILLION, FOR A TOTAL OF $12
BILLION. AND WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE SIGNALS THAT WE
SEND AS WE BUILD OUT THIS
MARKETPLACE ARE ONES OF
TRANSPARENCY, LONGEVITY AND
CONSISTENCY AND MAKING SURE THAT
WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK OF POLICIES
THAT ENABLE PRODUCTION AND
UPTAKE. AS YOU POINTED OUT,
ARCHES ECOSYSTEM DEPENDS ON
PRODUCTION AND OFFTAKE BEING
MATCHED IN REAL TIME. WE'RE
FOCUSED ON THREE MAJOR AREAS TO
BEGIN WITH POWER, PORTS AND
TRANSPORTATION. AND WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE
HYDROGEN TO MEET THOSE DEMANDS.
AND THEN WE'LL BE TRANSITIONING
TO AGRICULTURE, TO AVIATION, TO
SHIPPING, AND OTHER INDUSTRIES
AND HEAVY INDUSTRIES THAT ARE
NECESSARY TO DECARBONIZE THE
WHOLE ECONOMY. HYDROGEN CAN
CERTAINLY HELP US DO THAT. AND
THAT BUILDS ON THE TRADITION OF
RENEWABLES THAT WE HAVE IN
CALIFORNIA, ROUTINELY HITTING
100% RENEWABLE ON THE GRIDS,
HAVING A LOT OF CURTAILED ENERGY
THAT WE CAN USE TO DEPLOY
HYDROGEN AND USE HYDROGEN IN
ELECTROLYZERS. BUT ALSO BIOGENIC
SOURCES THAT ARE GREEN AND
SUSTAINABLE AS WELL. AND I'M NOT
GOING TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ESTEEMED
SPEAKERS WHO CAN ACTUALLY TALK
ABOUT WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR
OFFTAKE AND FOR PRODUCTION, THAT
WHO ARE ALSO PARTNERS IN ARCHES.
AND THEY ARE A PART OF OUR 400
PLUS PUBLIC PRIVATE ENTITIES.
AND ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT
MANUFACTURERS WHO HAVE JOINED
THIS ECOSYSTEM AND ARE DEDICATED
TO MAKING IT A SUCCESS. SO
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY. WE'RE SUPER EXCITED
TO BE HERE AND THANK YOU FOR
YOUR ASSISTANCE IN HELPING US
GET SUCH A GREAT PANEL HERE
TODAY, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME
ASSEMBLY MEMBER HEART
REPRESENTING SANTA BARBARA AND
SENATOR, ANY INITIAL COMMENTS
YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE AS WE START?
WONDERFUL. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO
INTRODUCE CHRIS HANNON,
PRESIDENT OF STATE BUILDING AND
CONSTRUCTION TRADES COUNCIL.
THANK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CHAIR
BENNETT, COMMITTEE MEMBER,
ASSEMBLY MEMBER, HEART AND
STAFF, ARE YOU OKAY IF WE TAKE
THIS PANEL OUT OF ORDER AND TAKE
ME LAST ON THE PANEL? CERTAINLY.
THAT'S GREAT. PERFECT, PERFECT.
WONDERFUL WE'LL GO ON TO, DARREN
BARNES, CEO OF FOOTHILL TRANSIT,
AND I GOT THE QUICK HAND OFF
THERE. THAT'S GREAT. RIGHT. WELL
GOOD AFTERNOON. IT'S A PLEASURE
TO BE WITH YOU. I'M DARREN
BARNES, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
OF FOOTHILL TRANSIT, AND I DON'T
KNOW IF THE SLIDE DECK IS
AVAILABLE. WE'RE GOING TO BLAME
MR. HANSEN FOR THROWING THE
SERGEANT OFF ON THE POWERPOINT.
RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. BUT AND I
JUST HAVE A FEW PICTURES HERE
THAT HELP ILLUSTRATE. I THINK
SOME OF THE WORK BEHIND OUR
STORY. SEE IF THAT COMES UP HERE
IN A MINUTE. BUT, WHEN THE FIRST
SLIDE COMES UP, YOU'LL SEE A
PICTURE OF ONE OF OUR HYDROGEN
FUEL CELL BUSSES, IN FRONT OF
THE MOUNTAIN RANGE THAT SITS
BEHIND OUR SERVICE AREA. WE ARE
THE FIXED ROUTE TRANSIT OPERATOR
FOR THE SAN GABRIEL AND POMONA
VALLEYS OF LOS ANGELES COUNTY.
AND NORMALLY WE DON'T GET SNOW
ON THOSE MOUNTAINS. BUT THAT WAS
A WINTER DAY. AN UNUSUAL DAY
WHEN THE SNOW WAS THERE. AND I
THINK IT REALLY ILLUSTRATES WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS TO
CREATE MOBILITY OPTIONS FOR OUR
COMMUNITIES AND AT THE SAME
TIME, DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT. AND THAT'S REALLY
WHAT THIS EFFORT IS ALL ABOUT.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE,
YOU'LL SEE OUR MISSION. AND THE
THING I WOULD POINT OUT ON OUR
MISSION STATEMENT IS THAT THE
FIRST COUPLE OF WORDS REALLY
TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO, WHICH IS
TO MOVE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE
COMMUNITY TO MAKE THEIR LIVES
BETTER. THAT'S OUR CORE
FUNCTION. THAT'S THE THING THAT
WE DO THAT WE FOCUS ON EVERY
DAY. SUSTAINABILITY IS AN
IMPORTANT PART OF THAT, AND
INNOVATION IS AN IMPORTANT PART
OF THAT. AND YOU'LL SEE
INNOVATION AS THE VERY LAST WORD
IS PART OF OUR MISSION
STATEMENT. THAT'S HELPED INFORM
THE WORK THAT WE DO. BUT ALWAYS
KEEPING IN MIND THAT OUR JOB IS
TO MOVE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE
COMMUNITY. WE GO ON TO THE NEXT
SLIDE. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT
FOOTHILL TRANSIT AGAIN. WE ARE
THE PRIMARY FIXED ROUTE TRANSIT
OPERATOR IN THE SAN GABRIEL AND
POMONA VALLEYS OF LOS ANGELES
COUNTY. SERVICE AREA POPULATION
OF ABOUT 2 MILLION PEOPLE,
327MI². WE OPERATE A COMBINATION
OF 30 LOCAL ROUTES AND SIX
COMMUTER EXPRESS ROUTES
CONNECTING INTO DOWNTOWN LOS
ANGELES, OUR OVERALL FLEET AT
300 IS 337 CNG POWERED BUSSES.
SO COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS HAS
BEEN AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR
WORK FOR A LONG TIME. BUT WE
ALSO TODAY HAVE THE LARGEST
FLEET OF HYDROGEN FUEL CELL
BUSSES IN NORTH AMERICA. I'LL
SAY THAT AGAIN, THE LARGEST
FLEET. ANGELINA, LET ME SAY THAT
AGAIN. AND I AND I SAY THAT
SOMEWHAT JOKINGLY, WE'LL HAVE
THAT FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 10 OR
15 MINUTES, BECAUSE WE KNOW
THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHERS THAT
ARE WORKING IN THIS SPACE, AND
WE COLLABORATE EXTENSIVELY ON
THAT, IF WE GO ON TO THE NEXT
SLIDE, WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE
BIT OF OUR JOURNEY, AND WE HAVE
BEEN A PIONEER IN THE ZERO
EMISSION SPACE SINCE THE VERY
BEGINNING. WE WERE THE FIRST
TRANSIT SYSTEM TO DEPLOY HEAVY
DUTY FAST CHARGE BATTERY
ELECTRIC BUSSES. WE MOVED ON TO
GRID POWERED, LONGER RANGE
BATTERY ELECTRIC BUSSES. WE WERE
THE FIRST IN NORTH AMERICA TO
DEPLOY A BATTERY ELECTRIC DOUBLE
DECK BUS AND ALL OF THAT WORK
THAT WE'VE DONE HAS REALLY
HELPED INFORM NOT ONLY OUR
KNOWLEDGE OF USING DIFFERENT
ZERO EMISSION TECHNOLOGIES, BUT
ALSO HAS HELPED INFORM THE
INDUSTRY IN TERMS OF HOW THINGS
HAVE BEEN MOVING FORWARD. BASED
ON THAT EXPERIENCE, WHICH,
AGAIN, HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY
VALUABLE. WHAT WE LEARNED IS
THAT USING GRID POWERED BATTERY
ELECTRIC BUSSES PRESENTS SOME
OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES THAT WE
STRUGGLED WITH SIX HOUR CHARGING
OVERNIGHT TO BE ABLE TO REFUEL
THE BUS, VERSUS TEN MINUTES FOR
COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS RANGE
LIMITATIONS, WHICH ARE GETTING
BETTER. BUT MANAGING THE RANGE
IS VERY DIFFERENT. AND THEN
MANAGING ELECTRIC FUEL AS A
TRANSPORTATION FUEL IS MUCH MORE
COMPLEX THAN THE TRADITIONAL
COMMODITY BASED FUELS THAT WE'VE
USED, LIKE DIESEL OR MORE
RECENTLY, COMPRESSED NATURAL
GAS. THAT PROMPTED US TO DIP OUR
TOE, IF YOU WILL. I'M REALLY NOT
OUR TOE. OUR WHOLE FOOT IN THE
HYDROGEN FUEL CELL SPACE. AND WE
ORDERED 33 HYDROGEN FUEL CELL
BUSSES THAT WE'VE NOW BEEN
OPERATING FOR THE LAST YEAR. THE
HYDROGEN FUEL CELL BUSSES
OPERATE PRETTY MUCH IDENTICALLY
TO OUR COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS
POWERED BUSSES. WE CAN FUEL THEM
UP IN TEN MINUTES OR LESS. THEY
HAVE A 300 PLUS MILE RANGE.
THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THE ENTIRE
DUTY CYCLE THAT WE NEED TO
COMPLETE OUR OUR OUR SERVICE TO
OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S REALLY
BEEN A KEY FOR US, IS TO HAVE
THAT THAT SIMILARITY. AND FROM
AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT GOING
FORWARD, AND THAT'S CAUSED US TO
CONTINUE TO LOOK AT HYDROGEN AS
AN OPTION, WHAT YOU DON'T SEE
HERE ARE THE TWO BARS WE NEED TO
ADD, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL 19
HYDROGEN FUEL CELL BUSSES THAT
WE HAVE ON ORDER, BUT WE ALSO
HAVE 24 GRID POWERED BATTERY
ELECTRIC DOUBLE DECK BUSSES ON
ORDER. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH
TECHNOLOGIES GOING FORWARD,
CONTINUING TO EVALUATE,
CONTINUING TO LEARN, BEYOND
THAT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR FUNDING
FOR 24 ADDITIONAL HYDROGEN FUEL
CELL BUSSES. AND WE'RE LOOKING
TO ARCHES AND WE'RE LOOKING TO
THE TRCP PROGRAM AND OTHER
PROGRAMS TO SECURE THE FUNDING
TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
ON OUR NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE
OUR HYDROGEN, OUR HYDROGEN
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THIS IS OUR
2020 5000 GALLON, FUELING TANK.
THESE ARE ABLE TO SUPPLY FUEL TO
UP TO 100 VEHICLES, SO AGAIN
SCALABILITY HAS BEEN IMPORTANT.
AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE
INVESTMENT IN THE HYDROGEN
INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN HAS BEEN
MUCH LOWER. AND, LAST CLOSE TO.
YEAH CLOSE TO LAST THOUGHT I'LL
LEAVE YOU WITH AGAIN THE
ADVANTAGES ARE, THE RELIABLE
RANGE, THE, THE EFFICIENT
FUELING TIME AND THE OPERATIONAL
RESILIENCY FROM THE STANDPOINT
OF GOING FORWARD. THE TWO
CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE. ONE IS
THAT HYDROGEN COSTS TWO AND A
HALF TIMES WHAT CNG COSTS IN
TERMS OF THE OPERATIONAL COST
FOR THE FUEL AND BUSSES,
CURRENTLY COST DOUBLE. WHAT A
CNG POWERED BUS WOULD COST.
THAT'S IDENTICAL TO A HYDROGEN
FUEL CELL BUS. SO THE BUS
ITSELF, THE BUS ITSELF. AND SO
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE
EFFORT BEHIND ARCHES AND BEHIND
THE INDUSTRY AGAIN, TO INCREASE
PRODUCTION. WE BECOME THE OFF
TAKER TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT
FORWARD. GREAT. THANKS. THANK
YOU. APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW,
YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING BOTH A
DOUBLE DECKER ELECTRIC BUSSES
AND THE HYDROGEN BUSSES AND
WE'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK
IS A GREAT POLICY FOR CALIFORNIA
IS TO TRY TO KEEP HYDROGEN AND
ELECTRICITY COMPETING WITH EACH
OTHER SO THAT WE HAVE THAT
COMPETITION DRIVING INNOVATION
AND DRIVING PERFORMANCE, AND WE
ALL BENEFIT FROM THAT. SO I'M
GLAD TO SEE YOU DOING THAT. AND
CERTAINLY THE ISSUE OF TRYING TO
INCREASE SCALE OF PRODUCTION TO
BRING THESE COSTS DOWN WOULD BE
REALLY HELPFUL. I'D LIKE TO TAKE
A QUICK SECOND BEFORE WE GO TO
OUR NEXT SPEAKER TO WELCOME,
ASSEMBLY MEMBER KATIE
PETRIE-NORRIS, WHO JOINED US.
AND SHE'S THE CHAIR OF THE
UTILITIES COMMITTEE, REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY.
AND ASSEMBLY MEMBER JUAN
CARRILLO, WHO'S ALSO JOINED US,
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D
LIKE TO SAY HERE TO KICK THIS
OFF? JUST THANK YOU, AS ALWAYS,
MR. CHAIR, FOR CONVENING THIS
HEARING AND FOR BRINGING TODAY'S
EXPERTS LOOK FORWARD TO I THINK,
DEEPENING EVERYONE'S KNOWLEDGE
BASE AROUND THE MANY CHALLENGES
THAT THAT WE FACE AS WE TRY TO
CREATE CALIFORNIA'S CLEAN ENERGY
FUTURE AND FIGURE OUT THE ROLE
THAT HYDROGEN CAN AND NEEDS TO
PLAY AS PART OF THAT. SO REALLY
APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING
HERE. AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
INSIGHTS IN THE CONVERSATION
AHEAD. ASSEMBLY MEMBER CARRILLO
OH SAME HERE. THANK YOU, MR.
CHAIR, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
CONVERSATIONS AND LOOKING AT THE
REGIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT THIS
CAN BRING TO CALIFORNIANS AND
LOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING THE
SOLUTIONS THAT WE NEED IN THE
STATE. THANK YOU. WELL, I
APPRECIATE ALL THREE OF YOU
ASSEMBLY MEMBERS JOINING US.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WE DO HAVE
A GREAT PANEL HERE TODAY. REMOVE
ON TO ADJACENT CLAUDEL, CEO OF
THE CITY OF LANCASTER. GREAT.
THANK YOU GUYS. GOOD AFTERNOON.
I APPRECIATE BEING HERE, JUST A
QUICK STORY ABOUT LANCASTER.
VERY QUICK, WE HAVE A LONG
HISTORY OF GREEN ENERGY
INNOVATION. SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT
THE IMPACT ON CITIES, WE'RE
PROBABLY UNIQUE IN THE SENSE
THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT PROBABLY A
LITTLE BETTER THAN MOST. WE'RE
ABLE TO PROCESS IT A LITTLE BIT,
A BIT BETTER THAN MOST. BUT WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE TOPIC OF TODAY,
IT'S THE QUESTION IS GOING TO
BE, IS HOW DO CITIES MOVE ALONG
AT THE SAME PACE AND THE SAME
STRIDES THAT YOU GUYS ARE, BRIEF
HISTORY? WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'VE
BUILT GIGAWATTS OF SOLAR ENERGY
IN THE DESERT IN LANCASTER FROM
A PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE'RE JUST NORTH OF LA COUNTY,
THOUSANDS OF ACRES THAT FORMERLY
FARMED AG LAND THAT'S PERFECT
FOR SOLAR GENERATION, WE'VE
PRETTY MUCH MAXED OUT THAT SOLAR
GENERATION AS A COMMUNITY, AND
WE SEE HYDROGEN IN OUR
LEADERSHIP, OUR MAYOR, ALL
REPUBLICANS, BY THE WAY, SEE
THAT HYDROGEN IS THE VISION FOR
WHAT OUR GREENING OF THE ECONOMY
IS GOING TO BE, NOT ONLY FOR
LANCASTER, BUT THE ENTIRE STATE,
WE HAVE YOU NAME IT, EVERY
PROJECT THAT YOU COULD THINK OF
FROM SOLAR ELECTROLYTIC HYDROGEN
TO, SEWER GAS TO HYDROGEN TO
WASTE TO HYDROGEN, MIXED PAPER
TO HYDROGEN, WE'VE GOT A
HYDROGEN TO GRID PROJECT THAT
THE CITY IS ENGAGING IN, ALL OF
WHICH WE'VE DEVELOPED
PARTNERSHIPS WITH THESE
DEVELOPMENTS FOR THE EFFORT OF
ONE TO CREATE JOBS FOR OUR
COMMUNITY. WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE
SIGHT OF THIS. WE IT'S THE
PURPOSE WE'RE DOING. THIS IS TO
CREATE JOBS AND TAX REVENUE TO
OUR COMMUNITY. AND IN EVERY
CASE, EVERY ONE OF THESE
PROJECTS IS DOING THAT, AND
GOING TO BE EMPLOYING THOSE
PEOPLE WHO NEED IT THE MOST IN
OUR COMMUNITY. SO THE URGENCY
FOR US IS THERE, RIGHT? THE
SPEED AT WHICH WE OPERATE IS
THERE, THESE PROJECTS THAT I'VE
MENTIONED ARE IN THE PERMITTING
PROCESS, READY TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER,
THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN OFFTAKE
AND PRODUCTION IS DIFFICULT,
RIGHT? AS YOU HAVE THAT STANDOFF,
WHO'S GOING TO GO FIRST? WHAT
ARE WE GOING TO DO FIRST? WE'RE
WORKING ON SOLUTIONS FOR THAT,
BUT FOR THIS COMMITTEE'S
PURPOSE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
TO UNDERSTAND HOW LOCAL
GOVERNMENT WORKS, AND HOW IT
DOESN'T WORK, ONE CHALLENGE WE
SEE THAT I SEE IN THE FUTURE,
AND WE'RE NOT THE EXAMPLE OF
THAT, BECAUSE I THINK WE PERMIT
THINGS VERY QUICKLY AND WE HAVE
A LEADERSHIP STRUCTURE THAT IS
VERY AGGRESSIVE IN THEIR
DECISION MAKING PROCESS. I THINK
ASSEMBLYMEMBER CURIEL CAN
ATTEST, AS OUR ASSEMBLY MEMBER,
WE DON'T WAIT. BUT AS THESE
PROJECTS COME THROUGH, YOU KNOW,
WE TALK ABOUT FOOTHILL TRANSIT
ISN'T GOING TO BE MAKING GREEN
HYDROGEN LIKELY IN, YOU KNOW, IN
INDUSTRY, THE PORTS AREN'T GOING
TO BE MAKING GREEN HYDROGEN. WE
NEED TO FIND A PLACES TO MAKE
THIS IN THIS STATE THAT IS
GREEN, THERE ARE OTHER
ALTERNATIVES THAT DON'T TAKE SO
MUCH SPACE. BUT IN THE DESERT IS
WHERE WE AT, THE CHALLENGE WE'RE
GOING TO SEE IS THAT LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS SOMETIMES ARE THE
ONES THAT ISSUE, NOT SOMETIMES,
ARE ALWAYS THE ONES THAT ISSUE
THE BUILDING PERMITS. OUR
PRESIDENT DOESN'T ISSUE THE
BUILDING PERMITS, OUR GOVERNOR
DOESN'T ISSUE THE BUILDING
PERMITS. OUR ASSEMBLY AND
LEGISLATURE DOESN'T ISSUE
BUILDING PERMITS. AT THE END OF
THE DAY, THESE PROJECTS ALL NEED
BUILDING PERMITS AND IT COMES
DOWN TO A MAYOR AND A CITY
COUNCIL WHO HAS TO LOOK THEIR
PUBLIC IN THE FACE, SOMETIMES
WITH ANGRY CITIZENS ACROSS FROM
THEM. I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE
INVOLVED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
THOSE THOSE THOSE DECISIONS ARE
DIFFICULT, WHETHER IT BE NOT IN
MY BACKYARD, WHETHER IT BE
ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS CHALLENGING
THEIR CUP PROCESS, THEIR
ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS, SOME OF
THEM NOT VALIDATED, NOT MAYBE
NOT FOR THE SAME, FOR THE RIGHT
PURPOSES, CHALLENGING SOME OF
THESE THINGS, SOME OF THESE
YEARS. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY,
I'M CONCERNED THAT AS WE MOVE
FORWARD IN THIS INDUSTRY, THAT
WE'RE GOING TO BE WE ARE GOING
TO BE CONSTRICTED BY OUR OWN
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. AND I'VE BEEN
DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS, SO I
KNOW HOW I'VE WATCHED A LOT OF
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. SO THE
CHALLENGE IS, AND MY, MY LOCAL
GOVERNMENT BRETHREN MAY BE
SHAKING THEIR HEADS AT ME, BUT
IT'S FIGURING OUT A WAY THAT YOU
CAN RIGHT FREE US OF THOSE
FEARS. RIGHT OF THOSE CONCERNS
ABOUT LITIGATION ON PROJECTS
THAT ARE GOING TO NEED A CUP OR
NEED AN ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT,
CONCERNS FROM THE FIRE
DEPARTMENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE
SAYING, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING MY
FIREMEN AT RISK BECAUSE YOU'RE
LEAVING CONCERNS FROM THOSE
NEIGHBORS THAT SAY, WE'RE DOING
THIS RIGHT, AND EITHER
CENTRALIZING SOME OF THESE
DECISION MAKING PROCESSES,
LIMITING OR, YOU KNOW, FREEING
UP RESOURCES TO MAKE THESE
DECISIONS EASIER FOR CITY
COUNCILS. AND I DARE SAY SOME OF
THE WORK YOU'VE DONE IN HOUSING
ALREADY AS IT RELATES TO
REMOVING SOME AUTHORITIES OF
LOCAL GOVERNMENT, MIGHT BE A
SOLUTION. IF THIS IS YOUR
PURPOSE AS A STATE LEGISLATURE,
WE HAVE $1.2 BILLION TO SPEND.
QUICKLY. SO, I MEAN, I'M A LOCAL
GOVERNMENT ADVOCATE. I DON'T
ADVOCATE FOR YOU USURPING OUR
AUTHORITIES. BUT AT THE SAME
TOKEN, IF IT'S THAT KIND OF
PRIORITY, THAT'S THE KIND OF
WORK AND SUPPORT WE'RE GOING TO
NEED, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S
KEY TO MAKING THIS THING MOVE
FORWARD, BECAUSE ALL THE
PROJECTS THAT ANGELINA IS
DEALING WITH, ALL THE PROJECTS,
YOU'RE GOING TO BE FUNDING,
EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING IS ALL
GOING TO REQUIRE A BUILDING
PERMIT, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHO ARE GOING
TO BE IMPACTING THAT. SO THANK
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I
APPRECIATE THAT. WE'RE GOING TO
SPECIFICALLY ASK QUESTIONS OF,
MR. CLAUDEL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE
HAVE SEVEN PANELISTS. WE ONLY
HAVE, SIX CHAIRS HERE, AND SINCE
YOUR CITY AND NOBODY ELSE
REPRESENTS A CITY, LET'S GET ALL
OUR QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE
FOR CITY. ASK US. THEN WE'RE
GOING TO BRING UP THE OTHER
THREE PANELISTS AND LET THEM
SPEAK, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE MR.
HANSON GO LAST. WHICH IS WHAT HE
WANTED TO DO. SO I NUMBER ONE,
WOULD I'M NOT STARTING WITH A
QUESTION. I'M STARTING WITH A
COMPLIMENT. YOU GAVE US EXACTLY
WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR HERE,
AND THAT YOU TOLD US WHAT YOU
YOU'RE DOING, BUT YOU ALSO TOLD
US WHAT YOU NEED, AND I THINK
IT'S PERFECT SORT OF SEGUE TO
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH
THIS COMMITTEE IS WE NEED TO
SPEND TIME AT THE STATE LEVEL,
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN
RELIEVE SOME OF THE BURDEN OF
THE UNUSUAL PERMITTING THAT IS
GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR
HYDROGEN FACILITIES, WHETHER
THAT IS STATEWIDE STANDARDS. AND
IF YOU MEET THESE STANDARDS,
THEN YOU'RE RELIEVED OF
LIABILITY OR STATEWIDE
STANDARDS. AND SO THEREFORE YOUR
YOUR COMMUNITY FEELS MORE
COMFORTABLE AS IT GOES FORWARD,
ETC. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE
BESIDES PERMITTING THAT YOU
THINK THE STATE COULD DO TO HELP
MUNICIPALITIES DEAL WITH OR TRY
TO INCREASE BOTH? YOUR
WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT PRODUCTION
FACILITIES AND YOUR WILLINGNESS
TO ACCEPT OFF TAKERS IN TERMS OF
HYDROGEN? YEAH. SO WHEN WE LOOK
AT IT AND WE'VE DONE THE
CALCULATIONS, SO IF YOU LOOK AT
THE PRODUCTION OF HYDROGEN, AND
IT'S THIS PICTURE WE'VE GOT ONE
PROJECT IN LANCASTER THAT'S
22,000. IT'S A SHORT ANSWER IS
OTHER THAN PROVIDING US MORE
MONEY, WE'LL ALWAYS TAKE MORE
MONEY. BUT THE IS WHEN YOU LOOK
AT THE PRODUCTION OF HYDROGEN,
THERE IS SALES TAX ASSOCIATED
WITH THAT. WHEN YOU SELL IT FOR
TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES. SO YOU
LOOK AT A SALES I BELIEVE IT'S
PROPERTY TAX. IT'S NOT EXEMPT
FROM PROPERTY TAX LIKE SOLAR IS
EVERY PROJECT THAT'S BUILT HAS A
PROPERTY TAX ON IT. SO WE SHOULD
GET REVENUE FROM THERE. IT'S JOB
CREATING WHICH IS ALREADY
HAPPENING. IT IS UNDER A CWA
COMMUNITY WORKFORCE AGREEMENT OR
A PLA. SO EVERY WORKER THERE
SHOULD HAVE BENEFITS, RETIREMENT
AND A GOOD TRAINED AND GOOD
PAYING JOB, AND THERE'S SALES
TAX ASSOCIATED WITH IT DEPENDING
ON WHERE THE SITE IS USED OR
WHERE IT'S WHERE IT'S BROKERED
FROM, THERE SHOULD BE A SALES
TAX ASSOCIATED WITH THESE ALL OF
THOSE THINGS ARE SIGNIFICANT.
REASONS TO PROCEED, IF YOU LOOK
AT A 22,000, WE'RE A DIFFERENT
SCALE, 22,000 TONS OF HYDROGEN
IN ONE PROJECT IN LANCASTER IS
22,000,000KG OF HYDROGEN AT $6 A
KILOGRAM IS WHAT THE PRICING IS
LOOKING LIKE TODAY. THAT'S $138
MILLION IN IN REVENUE OR IN NET
SALES, RIGHT? THAT'S THE
EQUIVALENT OF FOUR COSTCO'S IN
LANCASTER. IF YOU WANT TO BREAK
IT DOWN TO THOSE, THAT'S $4
MILLION A YEAR TO LANCASTER WITH
ZERO RESPONSIBILITY FOR SERVICE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CALL THE
COPS. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NEED,
YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. THERE'S
CERTAIN THINGS THAT CITIES
SHOULD BE PROCEEDING WITH WITH
THESE BASED ON THOSE METRICS
ALONE. GREAT. WE'RE GOING TO
TAKE THAT LITTLE CLIP OF THE
SEGMENT AND SEND IT TO EVERY
CITY MANAGER, TRY TO ENCOURAGE
THAT. SO THAT'S GREAT. MEMBERS
ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR.
CLAUDEL BEFORE WE GO ON? OKAY,
ONE ONE THING THAT I THINK IS
IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT TOO,
IS THAT THE TRAINING, IT'S THE
NEW INDUSTRY, NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
I THINK THAT, WITH, THE ASSEMBLY
MEMBERS LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE
INVESTMENT IN CTE, I THINK THAT
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN
CONSIDER. I WOULD CONSIDER
PROVIDING THE, TECHNOLOGY THAT
THE TRAINING FOR THESE NEW
TECHNOLOGY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE
WORKFORCE THAT MAY, MAY BE THERE
RIGHT NOW. BUT AS TECHNOLOGY
IMPROVES AND WE IMPROVE THE
QUALITY OF THE HYDROGEN, THE K¾T
TRAINING, I THINK THAT THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE
INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING TO SEE
HOW WE CAN FACILITATE THAT,
SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE
ACROSS THE STATE OF COURSE. SO
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU
WANT TO ADDRESS, MR. HANNA.
SURE, SURE. THANK YOU. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER. SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT
THIS IS A TREMENDOUS
OPPORTUNITY, TO NOT JUST PROVIDE
A CARBON FREE FUEL FOR, YOU
KNOW, FOR POWER, FOR
TRANSPORTATION, FOR INDUSTRY
WITH ENVIRONMENTAL AND HEALTH
BENEFITS. BUT IT'S ALSO A
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT TOOL.
EVERY ONE OF THE PROJECTS FOR
CONSTRUCTION IS UNDER A
COMMUNITY WORKFORCE AGREEMENT OR
A PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENT.
THAT'S ALL. HAS JOINT LABOR
MANAGEMENT APPRENTICESHIP
TRAINING FOR ALL OF THE
APPRENTICES. THERE'S CONTINUING
EDUCATION FOR JOURNEY LEVEL
MEMBERS ON TOP OF THAT, ON EVERY
ARCHES PROJECT, 1% OF THE
PROJECT IS GOING TO GO INTO
COMMUNITY BENEFITS. DIFFERENT
COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE
DIFFERENT NEEDS, WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT, CTE EDUCATION IS
CERTAINLY A QUALIFYING,
DELIVERABLE FOR THOSE COMMUNITY
BENEFITS. SO WHETHER IT BE THE
ANTELOPE VALLEY OR ANOTHER
REGION OF OUR STATE, AND WE
DIDN'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE THOSE
AHEAD OF TIME. BUT IF THERE'S
SOME FUNDS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR A
LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, FOR A
NONPROFIT, HEY, MAYBE IT ISN'T,
YOU KNOW, CTE OR TRAINING, AND
IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S GREEN SPACE.
IT'S CLEAN WATER. WHATEVER THE
NEED IS FOR THAT COMMUNITY. BUT
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS HIGH AT
THE NEED OF DELIVERABLES FOR
THOSE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
PROGRAMS. ONE MORE THING IS JUST
THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE
REGION, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE
COMMUTERS IN THE HIGH DESERT
PROVIDING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES
FOR THOSE THAT STAY IN THE HIGH
DESERT IN OTHER REGIONS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE. OBVIOUSLY
I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO MY DISTRICT,
BUT BECAUSE WE ARE COMMUTERS
THERE AND WE RELY A LOT ON THE
AEROSPACE INDUSTRY HAVING THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THIS REGION
IS TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT TO ME,
BECAUSE THAT CAN DIVERSIFY THE
JOB OPTIONS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE
AND KEEP OUR RESIDENTS AWAY FROM
THE 14 FREEWAY. AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE, BECAUSE HE DOES TAKE
TWO HOURS TO GET DOWN TO THE
JOBS WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO BE
WHATEVER I CAN DO, I SHOULD
SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I'M HAPPY TO
DO THAT. THANK YOU. SIMILAR
SIMILAR. DO YOU MIND IF I SO
SIMILAR TO THE CITY OF LANCASTER
OR THE CITY OF PALMDALE'S
COMMUNITY WORKFORCE AGREEMENTS,
THE COMMUNITY WORKFORCE
AGREEMENTS ON THE ARCHES
PROJECTS ALSO HAVE LOCAL HIRE SO
THAT LOCAL COMMUNITY IS GOING TO
BE THE FIRST PRIORITY, ALONG
WITH VETERANS AND, GRADUATES
FROM THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
PROGRAMS. ASSOCIATED. SO WE'RE
TRYING TO CENTRALIZE THE
OPPORTUNITIES FIRST FOR THE
COMMUNITIES. THESE ARE LOCATED
IN ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. THANK YOU
ALL FOR BEING HERE. AND, LIKE
THE CHAIR APPRECIATED YOUR FOCUS
ON YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE DOING
AND WHAT YOU NEED FROM THE
STATE. SO I WANT TO DIG INTO
THAT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW,
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO THINK
THROUGH, NOT JUST IN THE
HYDROGEN CONTEXT, BUT IN THE
BROADER CLEAN ENERGY CONTEXT, IS
HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE AND
ENCOURAGE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO
GET TO. YES. AND I THINK WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT INCENTIVES, THE
OBVIOUS THING IS MONEY. YOU
DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A TON IN
THE COUCH CUSHIONS JUST RIGHT
NOW. ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT
WE AS THE STATE CAN OFFER TO OUR
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HELP
ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET TO, YES,
INCITE THESE PROJECTS AND BE
PART OF THE COLLECTIVE SOLUTION?
THANK YOU. I THINK ONE AND BEING
VERY SPECIFIC IS THAT YOU HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY WITH ARCHES AND
WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH ANGELINA
IS DOING IS PHENOMENAL, THEY
HAVE A CERTAIN Kò NUMBER OF
PROJECTS THEY'VE IDENTIFIED AS
PRIORITY PROJECTS, IF THE
LEGISLATURE COULD SOMEHOW
IDENTIFY YOU, DON'T HAVE TO DO
EVERY PROJECT, NOT EVERY PROJECT
AND NOT EVERY CITY. YOU DON'T
HAVE TO COME A BLANKET ACROSS
RULES, ACROSS EVERY CITY WE'VE
GOT. AND WE PERSONALLY IN OUR
COUNCIL DIRECTED TO GET AS MUCH
OF THAT $1.2 BILLION AS YOU CAN,
RIGHT. SHE'S BEEN DIRECTED SPEND
AS MUCH AS AT 1.2 BILLION AS YOU
CAN, AS FAST AS YOU CAN. AND I
THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
FOR YOU TO DO, IS FIGURE OUT
THOSE PROJECTS, STREAMLINE THEM
FAST TRACK THEM. PRE-APPROVE
THEM ENVIRONMENTAL WAIVERS. YOU
KNOW, THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL
CERTIFICATIONS ON THEIR PRODUCT,
WHATEVER IT MAY BE. AND YOU GUYS
KNOW THAT BETTER THAN I DO, BUT
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EVERY
PROJECT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. IT
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EVERY CITY IN
THE ENTIRE STATE. IT HAS TO BE
THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE GETTING
THAT $1.2 BILLION THAT ANGELINA
IS FOCUSED ON SPENDING. AND IF
WE COULD JUST DO THAT, IT'LL GET
THE BALL ROLLING AND THEN WHAT
HAPPENS NEXT IS WHAT HAPPENS
NEXT. BUT WE GET THAT 1.2
BILLION SPENT AS FAST AS
POSSIBLE BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS
WHAT NOVEMBER IS GOING TO HAVE
ANYWAY. GREAT AND IF I COULD
JUST ADD VERY QUICKLY, AS CHRIS
ALSO POINTED OUT, THE BENEFITS
OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE
AWARDED. THE $1.2 BILLION ARE
QUITE SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF
THE 1% GOING BACK INTO COMMUNITY
BENEFITS, WHICH IS $380 MILLION
INTO OUR COMMUNITIES, 229 INTO
JOB TRAINING AND MAKING SURE
THAT WE HAVE THE TRAINING AND
THE QUALIFIED LABOR FORCE TO
COME INTO THOSE JOBS AND
STARTING WITH THE TRAINING
INSTITUTES THAT THE LABOR UNIONS
RUN, BUT ALSO STATE SCHOOLS,
COMMUNITY COLLEGES. THE èC IS A
PARTNER IN IN OUR INITIATIVE AS
WELL, AND OUR ENDEAVOR AND
MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE
CERTIFICATION AND TRAINING
ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S
COORDINATED, THAT ALLOWS FOR NEW
RELATIONSHIPS TO BE FORMED. $150
MILLION GOING INTO COMMUNITY
BENEFITS. THE PROJECTS THAT
CHRIS MENTIONED AS WELL, WE'RE
BUYING A THOUSAND NEW BUSSES TO
HELP DORAN MAINTAIN HIS
LEADERSHIP IN BEING NUMBER ONE
IN NORTH AMERICA. BUT ALSO WE
HAVE ANOTHER 14 TRANSIT AGENCIES
IN ARCHES AND ANOTHER 25 THAT
WANT TO COME IN, 200,000 NEW
JOBS, NEW HIGH QUALITY, FAMILY
SUSTAINING CAREER JOBS AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, $2.95 BILLION IN
ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS AND
HEALTH BENEFITS EVERY YEAR.
THAT'S YEAR AFTER YEAR AS A
RESULT OF THE POLLUTION THAT
WILL BE MITIGATED WITH THESE
PROJECTS THAT WE FOCUSED ON, THE
MAJOR ONES MAINLY TAKING DIESEL
OFF THE ROAD. SO THOSE ARE
CUTTING EDGE PROJECTS THAT WE
WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR PARTNERS
TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CREATING AN
ECOSYSTEM THAT ALLOWS, AGAIN,
ALL PROJECTS TO SUCCEED. AND IF
WE IF WE ARE TOGETHER, WORKING
WITH YOU TO ENABLE THAT
ECOSYSTEM TO DEVELOP WITH A
PLATFORM OF POLICIES THAT ARE
ALIGNED ON THE LOCAL, STATE AND
EVEN NATIONAL LEVEL THAT WE'VE
ACTUALLY DONE A SERVICE NOT ONLY
TO CALIFORNIA AND OUR
COMMUNITIES, BUT TO THE REGION
AND THE WORLD. THANK YOU. I HAVE
THE PLEASURE AND RESPONSIBILITY
TO TRY TO HAVE 13 SPEAKERS
SPEAK. AND HAVE US ASK THE
QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO ASK
ALL WITHIN THE TWO HOURS THAT
THEY ALLOTTED US. AND THE
MEMBERS WEREN'T HERE, BUT I, I
OFFERED MY INITIAL WINE ABOUT
ONLY BEING GIVEN TWO HOURS, BUT
THAT'S WHAT THEY GAVE US FOR
THIS ROOM, SO IF EVERYBODY WILL
JUST TRY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND
AND CUT TO THE CHASE, GET TO THE
IMPORTANT STUFF. BUT WE ALREADY
GOT SOME REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF,
AND I APPRECIATE THIS VERY MUCH.
SO I'M GOING TO CALL UP THE
OTHER THREE SPEAKERS, AND MR.
HANSEN, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, DO
YOU WANT TO BE, MR. HANSEN TO
STAY? YEAH, YEAH. YOU'RE GOING
TO STAY THERE? OH, JUST KNOW
THAT, MR. BARNES. IF YOU'LL STAY,
PLEASE, MR. BARNES, YOU STAY. WE
HAVEN'T ASKED YOU QUESTIONS YET.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. WE
WERE JUST TRYING TO KNOCK ONE OF
YOU OUT BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD SIX
CHAIRS. RIGHT SO WE KNOCKED THE
CITY REP OUT. THEY COULD, BUT I
THINK WE'RE ALL RIGHT. SO, WE
HAVE, WELL, I'LL JUST INTRODUCE
HIM AS AS IT'S AS AS THEY GET UP
HERE, BUT WE HAVE HARRIS. G,
JELANI, WHO IS, HERE ON BEHALF
OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA
AND MR. JELANI, WOULD YOU, LIKE
TO, KICK US OFF WITH YOUR FOUR
MINUTES THAT YOU'RE ALLOCATED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS HARRIS
GILANI, AND I'M THE BIOMASS AND
BIOENERGY ADVISOR WITH. SURE.
OKAY. IS IT BETTER? GOOD, I AM
THE BIOMASS AND BIOENERGY
ADVISOR WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA AGRICULTURE AND
NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION, ALSO
KNOWN AS èC WIENER AND AT UC
ANR, WE CONNECT THE POWER OF
RESEARCH WITH LOCAL COMMUNITIES
TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF ALL
CALIFORNIANS, OVER THE PAST FEW
YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN HEAVILY
INVOLVED IN RESEARCH REGARDING
BIOMASS UTILIZATION, AND THAT
REALLY MEANS THAT, UTILIZING
EXCESS BIOMASS THAT WE HAVE IN
THE STATE AND CONVERTING IT IN
DIFFERENT, LOW CARBON AND CARBON
NEGATIVE FUELS SUCH AS HYDROGEN.
AND THIS WORK IS REALLY
IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT NOT ONLY
PROVIDES ENERGY SECURITY TO
CALIFORNIA, BUT ALSO, IT HELPS
THE STATE MEETS ITS CLIMATE
GOALS AND REDUCE WILDFIRE RISKS.
SO, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THERE
IS A LOT OF BIOMASS AVAILABLE IN
THE STATE, IN THE ORDER OF ABOUT
70 MILLION BONE-DRY TONS. AND,
THAT'S IN THE FORM OF
AGRICULTURAL WASTE, FOREST
BIOMASS AND THE MUNICIPAL SOLID
WASTE. AND IF WE ARE ABLE TO
CONVERT ALL OF THIS BIOMASS INTO
HYDROGEN, IT WILL BE SUFFICIENT
TO MEET 95% OF THE STATE'S
HYDROGEN DEMAND BY, BY THE YEAR
2050. SO THAT'S PRETTY
SIGNIFICANT. ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE PAST
FEW YEARS IS THAT A LOT OF
STARTUP COMPANIES HAVE COME UP
IN CALIFORNIA, AND THEY ARE
PRODUCING BIOMASS, BIOMASS BASED
HYDROGEN IN IN THE STATE, AND
THEY ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF
DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE
SEE THAT THE FUTURE DEMAND FOR
HYDROGEN IS IN A VARIETY OF
SECTORS, INCLUDING AGRICULTURE,
HEAVY DUTY TRANSPORTATION AND
HEAVY EQUIPMENT. IN, IN THE AG
SECTOR, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
COMPANIES THAT ARE,
MANUFACTURING, HEAVY EQUIPMENT
SUCH AS HYDROGEN POWERED
TRACTORS, OR FUEL CELLS
OPERATED, FORKLIFTS THAT ARE
USED IN IN THE WAREHOUSES, BUT
WE, WE THINK THAT THE BIGGEST
OPPORTUNITY LIES IN, GREEN
AMMONIA SECTOR IN, IN THE STATE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE, GREEN
AMMONIA HAS APPLICATIONS IN,
FERTILIZERS AND ALSO IN MARITIME
SHIPPING. SO, AT THIS POINT WE
DON'T HAVE ANY GREEN AMMONIA
FACILITIES IN CALIFORNIA AT
COMMERCIAL SCALES, BUT, THERE
ARE A NUMBER OF FACILITIES IN,
TEXAS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL SCALE
AND THAT ARE UNDER UNDER
DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW. BUT WE
THINK THAT WITH ARCHER'S EFFORTS
TO, CREATE HYDROGEN HUB IN
CALIFORNIA AND THE CITY OF
LANCASTER'S, PILOT PROGRAM ON,
GREEN AMMONIA WOULD PAVE THE WAY
FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF THIS
SECTOR IN THE STATE, SO TO SCALE
UP THIS INDUSTRY IN, IN
CALIFORNIA, WE NEED, LONG TERM
BIOMASS SUPPLY. WE ALSO NEED,
INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT AND,
ENHANCED GOVERNMENT POLICIES,
THROUGH PROVIDING INCENTIVES
SUCH AS, PROCUREMENT POLICIES
AND, MANDATES ON PUBLIC
PROCUREMENT, PURCHASES FOR
PUBLIC AGENCIES. THANK YOU,
THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS HEATHER
TOMLEY, MANAGING DIRECTOR AND
PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENTAL
AFFAIRS AT THE PORT OF LONG
BEACH. WELCOME GREAT. THANK YOU.
AND I DO HAVE SOME SLIDES. SO AS
THEY'RE PULLING THOSE UP, I'LL
GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. IT'S
MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY AND
TO REPRESENT THE PORT OF LONG
BEACH, BUT ALSO THE GOOD WORK
THAT'S BEING DONE BY THE PORT
SECTOR THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA.
PORTS IN CALIFORNIA ARE
AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING ZERO
EMISSION AND DECARBONIZATION
GOALS AT THE LONG BEACH AND LOS
ANGELES PORT COMPLEX AND SAN
PEDRO BAY. WE ESTABLISHED ZERO
EMISSION GOALS TO GET ALL OF THE
TERMINAL EQUIPMENT TO ZERO
EMISSIONS BY 2030, AND FOR THE
ON ROAD TRUCKS BY 2035. AND WE
NEED ALL THE TOOLS IN THE
TOOLBOX TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE.
SO THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ON
BEHALF OF THE STATE THROUGH
ARCHES AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF
THE HYDROGEN HUB IS REALLY
CRITICAL TO SUPPORT THE WORK
THAT WE'RE DOING. FOR MANY
YEARS, THE PORTS IN OUR
TERMINALS HAVE BEEN
DEMONSTRATING INNOVATIVE
TECHNOLOGIES TO SUPPORT THE
TRANSITION TO ZERO EMISSIONS.
AND WE'RE LEARNING A LOT ABOUT
HOW THOSE TECHNOLOGIES CAN MEET
THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS. AND FOR
SOME, HEAVY DUTY, HARD TO
DECARBONIZE, HARD TO DECARBONIZE
OPERATIONS. WE FOUND THAT THE
HYDROGEN FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY
CAN PERFORM BETTER TO BE ABLE TO
MEET THOSE DEMANDS. HYDROGEN
FUELING OPERATIONS ARE SIMILAR
TO THE EXISTING FUELING
OPERATIONS TODAY, AND THEY CAN
OFFER MORE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE
EQUIPMENT AS NEEDED BECAUSE YOU
AREN'T LOCKED IN TO PARTICULAR
LOCATIONS WHERE THE ELECTRICAL,
INFRASTRUCTURE IS LOCATED.
HYDROGEN TECHNOLOGIES CAN ALSO
BE SUITABLE FOR A WIDE RANGE OF
APPLICATIONS TO MEET THE
OPERATIONAL DEMANDS OVER
EXTENDED RANGES AND FOR
DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT TYPES, AND
THERE'S LESS COST AND
OPERATIONAL DISRUPTION TO
INSTALL THE NEEDED
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR FUELING AS
COMPARED TO ELECTRIFICATION. IF
WE COULD SKIP AHEAD. TWO SLIDES
TODAY, WE'RE SEEING HYDROGEN
FUEL EQUIPMENT DEMONSTRATED IN
TERMINAL OPERATIONS. WE'VE BEEN
TESTING DIFFERENT TYPES OF
TERMINAL EQUIPMENT SINCE 2019,
AND FOR ON ROAD TRUCKS, WE'RE
STARTING TO SEE AN ESCALATING
NUMBER OF EQUIPMENT OR ON ROAD
TRUCKS IN OUR FLEET. YOU NEED TO
REGISTER TO BE ABLE TO DO
DRAYAGE OPERATIONS IN AND OUT OF
THE PORTS. AND FROM THE
BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE
STARTED WITH FOUR FUEL CELL
TRUCKS. AS OF YESTERDAY, WE WERE
UP TO 54. WOW, WOW. NEXT SLIDE
PLEASE. BEYOND TERMINAL
EQUIPMENT AND TRUCKS, WE ALSO
FORESEE A SIGNIFICANT FUTURE
POTENTIAL FOR HYDROGEN TO
SUPPORT DECARBONIZATION FOR
LOCOMOTIVES, HARBOR CRAFT LIKE
TUGBOATS AND PILOT AND CREW
BOATS. OCEAN GOING VESSELS,
VESSELS AND APPLICATIONS TO
SUPPORT POWER SYSTEM RESILIENCE
AND INSTALLATION OF STATIONARY
FUEL CELLS INTO MICROGRID
SYSTEMS AT PORTS AND TERMINALS,
AND ALSO THE POTENTIAL TO USE
FUEL CELLS TO PROVIDE
ALTERNATIVE CLEAN POWER FOR
SHORE POWERING VESSELS OR
POWERING ELECTRIC DREDGES. THE
TRANSITION WILL REQUIRE ALL OF
US WORKING TOGETHER AND THE
TECHNOLOGIES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
THE TECHNOLOGIES ARE STILL
EMERGING AND THEY'RE BEING
REFINED TO HELP US TO MEET THE
OPERATIONAL NEEDS. AND THE
TESTING THAT WE'VE BEEN
CONDUCTING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS REALLY HAS BEEN CRITICAL
TO HELP US TO INFORM THE
UPGRADES THAT ARE NEEDED AND
ALSO TO BUILD USER CONFIDENCE IN
THE EQUIPMENT UPFRONT. UPFRONT
CAPITAL COSTS FOR THE EQUIPMENT
IS VERY HIGH, AND THE
OPERATIONAL COSTS ARE ALSO
HIGHER THAN TRADITIONAL
TECHNOLOGIES. AND THAT'S WHY
INCENTIVE FUNDING PROGRAMS HAVE
BEEN SO CRITICAL AT THIS EARLY
STAGE TO HELP BUILD THE MARKET.
CURRENT SUPPLIES OF CLEAN,
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN ARE LIMITED,
BUT WE NEED TO ALLOW THE MARKET
TO BUILD AS WE CONTINUE TO
DECARBONIZE THE FUEL SUPPLY,
SIMILAR TO HOW WE'RE PROCEEDING
WITH ELECTRIC TECHNOLOGIES,
PERMITTING AND APPROVALS FOR
THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES ARE ALSO
A CHALLENGE AND A CRITICAL
HURDLE FOR TERMINAL OPERATORS IS
THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT
MOBILE FUELING OF THE EQUIPMENT
WITH LIQUID HYDROGEN, WHICH IS
CURRENTLY PROHIBITED BY THE FIRE
CODE. WE ALSO NEED TO BUILD
EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE RELATED
TO HYDROGEN EQUIPMENT, INCLUDING
SUPPORT FOR TRAINING AND
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS
FOR OPERATORS, MECHANICS AND
RESPONSE AGENCIES LIKE
FIREFIGHTERS. AND FINALLY,
GRANTS WILL BE CRITICAL TO
REDUCE FINANCIAL RISK AND TO
ACCELERATE DEPLOYMENT. BUT
ACCESS TO FUNDING CAN BE
CHALLENGING FOR MANY OF THE
OPERATORS IF THEY'RE NOT GRANT
EXPERTS OR IF THEY NEED A LOCAL
GOVERNMENT SPONSOR, AND
REQUIREMENTS LIKE FOREIGN
COMPANY OWNERSHIP AND BUILD
AMERICA BY AMERICA ARE
CHALLENGING. IN AN INTERNATIONAL
INDUSTRY WHERE MOST OF THE PORT
EQUIPMENT IS SPECIALIZED AND
LIMITED. PRODUCTION,
MANUFACTURING OCCURS IN THE
UNITED STATES, SO NEXT SLIDE. I
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK TO YOU TODAY AND BE HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK
YOU. IMPECCABLE. GREAT. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, AND OUR LAST
SPEAKER IN THIS PANEL, PAUL
HABIB, LEGISLATIVE AND
INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS, LOS
ANGELES DEPARTMENT OF WATER AND
POWER. AND YOU GUYS HAVE A VERY
EXCITING PROJECT. YES. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE
TODAY, IN THE INTEREST OF
BREVITY, I'LL SKIP THE SLIDES,
WE, LOS ANGELES DEPARTMENT OF
WATER AND POWER, THE LARGEST
MUNICIPAL UTILITY IN THE IN THE
COUNTRY. AND WE ALWAYS VIEW
OURSELVES AS TRYING TO BE AT THE
FOREFRONT OF MOVING THE POWER
INDUSTRY AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS.
SO IN 2019, WE ENACTED OUR LÀ
100 STUDY TO SAID OUR CITY
COUNCIL GAVE US A VERY AMBITIOUS
GOALS OF GETTING TO A 100%
DECARBONIZED POWER BY 2035. SO
WE DID THE LÀ 100 STUDY WITH THE
NATIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY LABS,
NREL TO SEE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE
AND HOW CAN WE DO IT. AND THE
STUDY WAS COMPLETED IN 2021 AND
SAID, YES, YOU CAN DO IT. IT
REQUIRES ALL PATHWAYS. YOU'RE
GOING TO NEED SOLAR, YOU'RE
GOING TO NEED WIND, YOU'RE GOING
TO NEED STORAGE AND BATTERY, BUT
YOU'RE ALSO WE HAVE FOR IN-BASIN
POWER PLANTS, RIGHT NOW, AND IT
SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO
CONTINUE TO RUN THOSE TO PROVIDE
THAT FIRM, DISPATCHABLE ENERGY
THAT YOU NEED, RENEWABLE ENERGY
CAN BE INTERMITTENT. IF THE WIND
DOESN'T BLOW, THE SUN DOESN'T
SHINE. BUT SO YOU NEED THAT AS A
BACKUP FOR HIGH HEAT DAYS
EMERGENCIES. IF THERE'S FIRES
THAT TAKE OUT THE TRANSMISSION.
A LOT OF OUR RENEWABLES COME IN
THROUGH TRANSMISSION LINES FROM
OTHER PLACES, INCLUDING OTHER
STATES AND SO IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT THAT THOSE ARE
AVAILABLE, AND WE CAN'T RUN THAT
ON FOSSIL FUELS RIGHT NOW THAT
RUN ON NATURAL GAS. AND SO HOW
DO WE DO THAT, THE STUDY POINTED
TO HYDROGEN. OUR STAKEHOLDERS
CHOSE THAT AS YOU COULD DO
BIOFUELS. YOU CAN DO OTHER
THINGS. BUT HYDROGEN WAS THE ONE
OUR STAKEHOLDERS SELECTED AS THE
PATHWAY FORWARD, IF YOU'RE,
COMBUSTING TURBINES ON ON 100%
GREEN HYDROGEN, YOU WOULD HAVE
100%, REMOVAL OF ALL CARBON,
RIGHT? YOU WOULD LOSE CARBON
MONOXIDE, CARBON DIOXIDE, ALL
THE CARCINOGENS THAT ARE SAID.
SO THESE HUGE IMPACTS TO THE AIR
QUALITY, WELL, QUITE FRANKLY, ON
THE LABOR SIDE, CONTINUING JOBS
THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE
JOBS THEY HAVE NOW SO THAT THOSE
CONTINUE TO FUNCTION. AND
OPENING UP ADDITIONAL TO YOUR
POINT OF IN THE, IN THE SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY AND THOSE, THOSE,
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE LOCAL
COMMUNITY TO KIND OF BE PART OF
THIS TRANSITION AND SO WE LOOK
AT THIS AS VERY IMPORTANT, WE
HAVE COMMITTED, LOCALLY IN LOS
ANGELES, TO TRANSITION OUR
SCATTERGOOD POWER PLANT, BY THE
END OF THIS DECADE TO BE,
HYDROGEN COMPATIBLE SO IT CAN
RUN ON A MIX OF HYDROGEN AND
NATURAL GAS UNTIL THE TECHNOLOGY
IS COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE TO RUN
AT 100%. AND THERE'S A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO WONDER, YOU KNOW, HOW
DO YOU KNOW THIS IS POSSIBLE?
HOW WILL IT WORK? WELL, WE DID
HAVE THE FORESIGHT ALREADY, TO
MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE, WE STILL
GET SOME OF OUR POWER.
UNFORTUNATELY FROM COAL, OUT IN,
IN UTAH, AND WE ARE
TRANSITIONING THAT NEXT YEAR,
TO, TO A NEW TURBINE. INITIALLY,
IT WAS GOING TO BE NATURAL GAS.
AND WHEN WE GOT THIS, MANDATE,
WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING IT AS A
HYDROGEN TURBINE. IT'LL START
OFF AT 30% HYDROGEN BLEND WITH
NATURAL GAS AND AGAIN RAMP UP TO
100% WHEN THAT TECHNOLOGY IS
AVAILABLE. THAT WILL BE OPENING
NEXT YEAR. SO WE ARE GOING TO WE
KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE IT'S GOING TO
BE GREEN HYDROGEN, RENEWABLE
ENERGY PRODUCING THAT, AND THAT
WILL KIND OF BE THE ROADMAP FOR
HOW WE DO IT HERE LOCALLY. SO,
IT'S NOT JUST AN IDEA THAT
THAT'S OUT THERE AS A CONCEPT,
THE, THE PLANT IS ALMOST, BUILT,
AND IT WILL BE OPERATIONAL.
HOPEFULLY, AROUND THIS TIME NEXT
YEAR. BUT FOR SURE SOMETIME NEXT
YEAR. SO, WE, WE WHEN IT CAME TO
HYDROGEN HUB, OUR CITY COUNCIL
GAVE FIRST UNANIMOUS VOTE TO GO
AFTER HYDROGEN HUB FUNDING, IN
COLLABORATION WITH OUR LOCAL
PARTNERS, THE PORT OF LA AND
SANITATION. AND THEN THEY ALSO
DID A UNANIMOUS SUPPORT TO MOVE
FORWARD ON THE SCATTERGOOD
PROJECT. I THINK BECAUSE OF THAT
SUPPORT THAT WE HAD LOCALLY, AND
THEN THE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT WE
HAD ON THE STATE LEVEL, I THINK
THAT'S WHY WE WERE SO SUCCESSFUL
IN GETTING THIS HYDROGEN
FUNDING. SCATTERGOOD HAS BEEN
SELECTED AS ONE OF THE PROJECTS
THAT'S GOING TO GET SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND WHY THAT'S
IMPORTANT IS THOSE MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS ARE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
THAT ARE RATEPAYERS DON'T HAVE
TO PAY AS WE DO THIS TRANSITION,
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN
DO THIS IN A COST EFFECTIVE WAY?
WE KNOW WE HAVE TO GET OFF
FOSSIL FUELS. IT'S NOT CHEAP.
THE CHEAPEST THING IS TO KEEP ON
FOSSIL FUELS, AND WE'RE NOT
DOING THAT. WE'RE COMMITTING TO
A NEW TECHNOLOGY. BUT WHEN WE
CAN GET INCENTIVES, WE CAN GET
THIS GRANTS. THAT'S AND THE
LOCAL SUPPORT THAT WE GOT BOTH
FROM THE CITY OF LA AND THE
STATE, I THINK, ALLOWS US TO
FIND WAYS TO DO THIS IN A WAY
THAT IS, IS COST EFFECTIVE. AND
THEN THE OTHER THING IS AT
SCALE, WE ARE CO-LOCATED. WE ARE
LOCATED TO OTHER SECTORS WHO
HAVE HIRED TO ELECTRIFY. WE'RE
RIGHT NEXT TO THE PORTS. WE'RE
NEAR THE AIRPORTS. THERE'S A LOT
OF INTEREST THERE, AND THERE'S A
LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW,
I WANT TO TRANSITION, BUT AM I
GOING TO GET THE SUPPLY? AND SO
IT WAS AN OFF TAKER. WE KNOW
WE'RE GOING TO NEED LARGE
QUANTITIES IF WE HAVE TO RUN
THIS FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME,
BUT WE'RE ALSO RIGHT NEXT TO
FOLKS WHO ALSO COULD THEN IF
THERE'S A SUPPLY THAT COMES TO
US, THEN IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO
THEM. AND YOU OPEN UP THOSE
THOSE MARKETPLACES AND THAT'S
OUR HOPE AND THAT'S WHAT WE
NEED. I THINK THE, THE HELP HERE
IS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT
THERE'S THAT CONNECTIVITY. AND
THAT'S WHAT ARCHES IS TRYING TO
DO AS WELL. I THINK THIS GREAT
THING, THE CONNECTIVITY OF THE
PRODUCERS AND THE OFF TAKERS, SO
THAT THERE'S A CONFIDENCE THAT
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT AND
YOU CAN MAKE THAT FINANCIAL
COMMITMENT AS A, AS A GOVERNMENT
AGENCY. WE DID THAT PREVIOUSLY
WHEN IT CAME TO SOLAR, IT WAS A
LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT WE
PUT THAT INVESTMENT AND WAS NOW
IT'S PENNIES PER KILOWATT WHEN
IT WAS DOLLARS. RIGHT, WE'RE
THINKING THE SAME THING WITH
HYDROGEN. WE PUT THAT INVESTMENT
ALONG WITH OUR PARTNERS. WE SEE
IT AT THE PORTS, AND WE EXPECT
THAT WILL DRIVE DOWN HOPEFULLY
THE MARKET SO THAT IT BECOMES
MORE COST EFFECTIVE BECAUSE
PEOPLE ULTIMATELY ARE GOING TO
MAKE THIS DECISION BASED ON THE
ECONOMY. WE THINK IT'S GOOD FOR
THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT'S
ACTUALLY BOTH RIGHT AND SO IF IT
CAN BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, WE
ALREADY KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL
BENEFITS FOR OUR COMMUNITIES
LOCALLY AND FOR THE REGION. AND
SO THAT SUPPORT IS GOING TO BE
INTEGRAL MOVING FORWARD IS
CONNECTING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE
SO THAT WE ALL WIN. YOU'RE GOING
TO BE BOTH THE CHICKEN AND THE
EGG, RIGHT? YEAH. WHICH UNLIKE
EVERYBODY ELSE RIGHT. YOU'RE
GOING TO PRODUCE IT AND YOU'RE
GOING TO CONSUME IT. RIGHT. SO
THEN NOTHING COMES FIRST. THEY
JUST COME TOGETHER APPARENTLY.
YEAH EXACTLY. RIGHT. GREAT, MR.
HANSEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO
WITH THIS PANEL, WHEN YOU SAID
LAST, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO LAST
AFTER EVERYONE? YEAH. THIS PANEL
GO. GO AHEAD. YEAH. THIS IS
FINE, THANK THANK YOU, CHAIR
BENNETT, THANK YOU, ASSEMBLY
MEMBERS, STAFF, FOR ALLOWING
ARCHES AND THE STATE BUILDING
TRADES. TO BE PART OF THE
DISCUSSION ON THIS IMPORTANT
TOPIC, CHRIS HANNON, STATE
BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION TRADES
COUNCIL OF CALIFORNIA, ALSO,
FOUNDING BOARD MEMBER FOR ARCHES
FOR THE STATE BUILDING TRADES.
IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE A
PART OF SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING
TO, NUMBER ONE, HELP THE STATE.
DELIVER OUR AMBITIOUS CLIMATE
GOALS. DELIVER THOSE BENEFITS TO
THE RESIDENTS AND ALSO FOR OUR
MEMBERS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE
FUTURE, HYDROGEN CAN ALLOW US
TO, CONTINUE, BUT TO DECARBONIZE
INDUSTRIES WHERE OUR MEMBERS ARE
NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS WORKING
ON THE SHOP FLOOR. WE HAVE OTHER
GOOD, SISTERS AND BROTHERS IN
LABOR THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING
THE, WORK ON THE SHOP FLOOR, IN
THE FACTORY OR, IN THE PORT,
DOING THE MÀ TIME AND LONGSHORE
WORK. WE HAVE GREAT SISTERS AND
BROTHERS THAT ARE OPERATING,
PRODUCTION FACILITIES. OUR
MEMBERS ARE COMING IN. THEY'RE
HIGHLY TRAINED TO DELIVER THE
CONSTRUCTION AND THE
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ONGOING
CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE TO KEEP
THOSE FACILITIES. OPERATING
HYDROGEN, AND DOING IT THROUGH
THE DELIVERABLES THAT THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY HAS SET
FORTH THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE
AND JOBS ACT, THROUGH THE
BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION, CAN
BE DONE THE RIGHT WAY, IT'S NOT,
YOU KNOW, PICKING PRODUCTION AND
THEN THERE'S NO CUSTOMERS. IT'S
NOT, HELPING A TRANSPORTATION
AGENCY, ROLL OUT A FLEET OF
VEHICLES AND THEN NOT HAVING THE
SUPPLY OR HAVING INTERMITTENT
SUPPLY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE
RELIABILITY. AND THEN FOR THE
CONSUMER, ONE OF THE
DELIVERABLES, AND ONE OF THE
MAIN DELIVERABLES FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY IS COST, WE
WANT TO SHOOT TOWARDS THAT $3
PER KILOGRAM. WE WANT TO DO IT
IN THE SAFEST, CLEANEST, MOST
RELIABLE WAY THAT HAS THE VALUES
THAT ALL OF US ARE ACCUSTOMED TO
HERE, YOU KNOW, VALUES FOR
ENVIRONMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL
STEWARDSHIP, VALUES FOR, FOR
WORKERS AND COMMUNITY, OTHER
STATES AND OTHER COUNTRIES
SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THOSE VALUES,
SO IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE
BUILDING TRADES TO BE INVOLVED
WITH, THE CREATION OF ARCHES FOR
US TO PURSUE ARCHES TOGETHER,
ALONG WITH THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. WE APPRECIATE OUR
PARTNERSHIP, AS WELL AS WITH OUR
PARTNERSHIP WITH, WITH
RENEWABLES 100, THE èC AND THE
OFFICE OF GO-BIZ, BUT ALSO THE
INDUSTRIAL PARTNERS THAT ARE
COMING ON THAT ARE BUYING INTO
THIS, THESE VALUES, EVERY
PROJECT IN ARCHES HAS
DELIVERABLES TO THE DEPARTMENT
OF ENERGY. THEY ALSO HAVE
STANDARDS THAT WE ALL HOLD, HOLD
VERY CLOSE HERE IN CALIFORNIA SO
THAT THAT'S THAT'S, YOU KNOW,
THIS ALL HAS TO GO TOGETHER.
PRODUCTION, TRANSPORTATION,
DISTRIBUTION AND OFFTAKE. AND IF
WE CAN TIME THOSE TOGETHER AND
IF WE CAN HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH
NEED AND WE CAN HAVE THE
MATCHING PRODUCTION AND
SEAMLESSLY, SAFELY TRANSPORT IT,
WE CAN DELIVER IT AT A COST. WE
CAN DELIVER IT SOONER. REALIZING
THE, ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS, THE
JOB CREATION AND ALL THE
ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF IT. BUT
THEY ALL HAVE TO GO TOGETHER.
AND YOUR HELP, YOU KNOW, TAKING
UP THIS IMPORTANT SUBJECT IN THE
IN THIS SELECT COMMITTEE IN THE
ASSEMBLY, WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE
YOUR WISDOM FOR DOING THAT. AND
WE'RE HAPPY TO BE A PART OF IT
AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU
HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
BEING HERE. REALLY APPRECIATE
IT. IN THE INTEREST OF TRYING TO
GET ALL OF THIS DONE, I'M GOING
TO TRY TO, DISCIPLINE MYSELF TO
KEEP MY QUESTIONS TO 32ND
QUESTIONS AND TRY TO ASK FOR
32ND ANSWERS, JUST BECAUSE
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST WAY
FOR US TO MAXIMIZE, I THINK. SO
I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO START
WITH 1/32 ONE. I HAVE SOME OTHER
QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO TURN
TO MY COLLEAGUES AFTER MY FIRST
ONE. MY NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION
AS, AS A COMMENT AS WE START
THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE
THIS TRANSITION, WE NEED
HYDROGEN TO BECOME RELIABLE. WE
NEED IT TO BECOME COST
EFFECTIVE. AND WE NEED TO HAVE
PEOPLE HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IT'S
GOING TO BE CLEAN, THAT DOESN'T
ALL HAVE TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
AND IT CAN'T ALL HAPPEN
OVERNIGHT. SO WHAT I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE IS THERE'S A FOURTH
THING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO
MOVE FORWARD. I THINK, AND THAT
IS TRUST. AND IT'S AMAZING HOW
MUCH YOU CAN GET DONE. IF PEOPLE
TRUST THAT EVENTUALLY YOU'RE
GOING TO GET TO 100% HYDROGEN,
RIGHT? EVENTUALLY YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS
LOOPHOLE THAT WE'RE CREATING
TEMPORARILY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE
THE TRANSITION, THAT THAT'S NOT
GOING TO THEN BECOME THE
PERMANENT LOOPHOLE. AND WE DON'T
ACTUALLY GET TO CLEAN. SO I
CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH WHEN I'M
OVER IN EUROPE, I'M ALWAYS
IMPRESSED THEY CUT DEALS BECAUSE
THEY TRUST EACH OTHER AND THEY
GO, OKAY, WE'LL TAKE A WE'LL
TAKE THIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE
KNOW WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY
GET TO THAT. AND SO FOR
EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM AND ALL OF
US AS LEGISLATORS, EVERYTHING WE
CAN DO TO HAVE EVERYBODY START
TO INCREASE THEIR TRUST ON THIS
IMPORTANT TRANSITION, WE'LL BE
BETTER OFF. I HOPE THAT WAS 30S.
I'M GOING TO TURN TO MY
COLLEAGUES QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF
THESE SIX PEOPLE THAT ARE UP
HERE RIGHT NOW. ASSEMBLY MEMBER.
SO MR. HANNA, YOU TALKED ABOUT
THE FACT THAT EVERYONE IS
ORIENTED TO THIS GOAL OF $3 A
KILOGRAM. CAN I REALIZE I DON'T
KNOW WHAT WHAT ARE SOME OF LIKE
THE INTERIM MILESTONES AND
GOALS, AND WHAT ARE SORT OF IN
YOUR VIEW. AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR
ALSO FROM YOU. WHAT ARE SOME OF
THE CRITICAL ENABLERS TO
ACHIEVING THOSE INTERIM
MILESTONES, PAYING US THE 32ND
PICTURE OF HOW WE'RE GETTING,
HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE?
WELL, MAYBE I'LL START OFF AND
ANGELINA CAN, FILL IN ON
ANYTHING. I MISS, PREVIOUS
EFFORTS TO ROLL OUT INCENTIVES
FOR HYDROGEN. HAVE NOT BEEN A
COMPLETE ECOSYSTEM LIKE WE HAVE
NOW, THE RELIABILITY AND THE
COST HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THE
POINTS WHERE WE WHERE WE WOULD
LIKE TO SEE THEM HERE. THE
DELIVERABLES, I BELIEVE, IN THE
2032, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE
DELIVERING HYDROGEN AT SCALE AND
THE TARGET IS $3 PER KILOGRAM.
WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE GET THERE,
BUT IF WE DON'T GET THERE, WE'RE
DELIVERING HYDROGEN AT SCALE.
AND IN 2032. SO REALLY IN 2030,
2031, 2032, WE'RE DELIVERING
THESE. SO WE NEED TO GET UNDER
CONSTRUCTION QUICKLY, WE NEED TO
START ACROSS THE WHOLE STATE AND
WE NEED TO FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW,
ALL ASPECTS OF, YOU KNOW, OF
WHETHER IT BE PRODUCTION,
TRANSPORTATION, DISTRIBUTION OR
OFFTAKE. GREAT. THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION, ASSEMBLY
MEMBER. PETRIE-NORRIS. AND JUST
AS AN ASIDE, WE VERY MUCH LOOK
FORWARD TO BEING IN YOUR
DISTRICT, OUR HEADQUARTERS IS
GOING TO BE AT THE UCI RESEARCH
CENTER, AND WE JUST SIGNED THE
LEASE. YES. SO VERY MOVING IN
VERY, VERY SOON. SO WE'RE VERY
EXCITED. YES. AS CHRIS MENTIONED,
IT NEEDS TO BE AN ECOSYSTEM. AND
YOU'LL HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUE,
OUR CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER,
AND ONE OF THE CHIEF SCIENTISTS
AT LBNL, WHO CREATED THAT
ECOSYSTEM AND RAN THE NUMBERS
FOR US, HE WILL BE SPEAKING AT
THE AT THE NEXT PANEL AS WELL.
BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS IN THE
OBJECTIVE OF THE DOE HUB WAS TO
REACH A COST, COMPETITIVE PRICE
FOR HYDROGEN. THE HYDROGEN SHOT
THAT THE DOE HAS IS ACTUALLY A
DOLLAR A KILOGRAM IN TEN YEARS,
I DON'T THINK WE'LL REACH THAT
GOAL. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE
CAN GET PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING,
TO REACHING IT. AND OUR BIGGEST
OBJECTIVE IS TO BE COST
COMPETITIVE WITH DIESEL. WE WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FIRST
TIME FRAMES WITH THOSE 37
PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SELECTED,
WITH THE CREATION OF THAT
ECOSYSTEM AND THE INCREASE IN
PRODUCTION FOR INSTANCE, WE'RE
STARTING PRODUCTION IN 2024,
2025 WITH OUR PROJECTS. WE HAVE
ABOUT 606,080 THOUSAND METRIC
TONS PER YEAR PRODUCED IN
CALIFORNIA RIGHT NOW, WHICH
MAKES US THE SECOND LARGEST USER
OF HYDROGEN IN THE COUNTRY BY
2032, WHICH IS THE GOAL OF THE
HUB, WE HAVE TO REACH 190,000
METRIC TONS PER YEAR PRODUCED,
AND TO REACH CALIFORNIA'S GOALS
BY 2045, WE NEED TO BE PRODUCING
17 MILLION METRIC TONS OF
HYDROGEN. NOW, HOW DOES ASSURES
US HE CAN HE CAN MANUFACTURE 95%
OF THAT. THAT AND WE'RE VERY
HAPPY ABOUT IT. BUT WE NEED
MASSIVE ACCELERATION IN TERMS OF
DEPLOYMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN
THE GROUND. THE DOE SAID. THESE
ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE
COMMERCIALLY VIABLE. WE DO NOT
WANT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.
WE DO NOT WANT PROOF OF CONCEPT.
WE WANT STEEL IN THE GROUND.
LARGE SCALE PRICE REDUCTION WITH
VOLUME. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE
APPROACH THAT WE'VE TAKEN ALLOWS
US TO ACHIEVE THAT, AND I ALSO
WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING IN
CASE WE DON'T HAVE TIME, BUT WE
HAVE HAD SEVERAL WORKING GROUPS
THAT HAVE BEEN MEETING AS PART
OF ARCHES FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS
IN TERMS OF PRODUCTION,
TRANSPORTATION, PORTS, AVIATION,
HYDROGEN DERIVATIVES. AND THEY
HAVE COME UP WITH A SET OF
RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS A
WHITE PAPER. THIS IS THE SUMMARY
OF IT. WE WERE GOING TO
DISTRIBUTE IT TO YOU TODAY, BUT
WE JUST NOTICED WE PRINTED THE
WRONG VERSION. SO WE'LL SEND YOU
THE UPDATED RIGHT VERSION
TOMORROW AND HOPEFULLY HAVE IT
POSTED ON YOUR WEBSITES AS WELL.
BUT THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS ON
WHAT THE INDUSTRIES NEED ALSO TO
SUCCEED. SO WE BELIEVE WE HAVE
THE ELEMENTS. WE'RE CERTAINLY
GOING TO NEED THE HELP ON THE
LOCAL AND THE NATIONAL LEVEL AS
WELL. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME
CHALLENGES WITH THE DOE. ALL OF
US KNOW THAT SPECIFICALLY WITH
NEPA, THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL
POLICY ACT, WHERE NEGOTIATIONS
WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT IT
DOESN'T STALL OUR PROJECTS
BECAUSE OUR PROJECTS ARE READY
TO GO, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE MEET THE TIMELINES THAT
THE DOE HAS LAID OUT FOR US. GOT
IT? ALL RIGHT. LOOK FORWARD TO
DIGGING INTO THAT. SOUNDS LIKE
IT MIGHT BE THE TOPIC OF OUR
NEXT HEARING, MR. CHAIR, A GREAT
SUGGESTION, ASSEMBLY MEMBER
PARK. YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION FOR
MR. HABIB, IN TALKING ABOUT,
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION FROM
BIOMASS. ACTUALLY, NOT MR.
HABIB. THAT'S THE WRONG NAME.
SORRY. YEAH, WHERE DO YOU SEE
THE MOST OPPORTUNITY IN THE
SHORTEST PERIOD OF TIME? IS IT
GREEN AMMONIA? IS IT FUELS,
THERE'S A BIG OR A BIG
COLLECTION PROBLEM OF TAKING
DECENTRALIZED AGRICULTURAL WASTE
AND TIMBER, PRODUCTS AND TURNING
THAT INTO HYDROGEN. HOW DO YOU
HOW DO YOU SEE US GETTING FROM
HERE TO SOMETHING THAT'S
ECONOMICALLY VIABLE AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE? YEAH. THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR THE QUESTION. SO I
THINK THE FIRST STEP IS REALLY
TO, CREATE GREEN HYDROGEN
MARKETS USING WOODY BIOMASS OR
AGRICULTURAL RESIDUES, BECAUSE
WE HAVE A LOT OF IT IN, IN
CALIFORNIA. SO AND THEN MOVING
ON TO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE
INVESTING IN HYDROGEN
DERIVATIVES. AND AMMONIA IS ONE
OF THE HYDROGEN DERIVATIVES THAT
HAS A LOT OF APPLICATIONS,
PARTICULARLY IN THE FERTILIZER
SECTOR. SO ESTABLISHING GREEN
AMMONIA FACILITIES IN CALIFORNIA
WOULD REALLY, PROVIDE OUTSIZED
BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITIES AND
TO THE FARMERS IN ESPECIALLY IN
THE CENTRAL VALLEY OF
CALIFORNIA. AND, YEAH. SO FOR
THAT, WE NEED TO INVEST IN
INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT,
PROVIDING SUPPORTIVE POLICIES.
AND THE BIGGEST, I THINK
PRIORITY WOULD BE TO ENSURE LONG
TERM VIABLE SUPPLY OF BIOMASS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYTHING
ELSE? I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE
ASSEMBLY MEMBER ISAAC BRYAN, WHO
HAS, ANOTHER MEMBER OF THIS
COMMITTEE. AND AS I SAID, PEOPLE
WOULD BE ROLLING IN AND OUT,
ETC. REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING
HERE. ANY INITIAL COMMENTS YOU
WANT TO MAKE, WE'RE JUST
FINISHING THE FIRST PANEL. NO, I
JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, THANK
THE CHAIR. AND THANK THE
PANELISTS FOR BEING HERE. THIS
IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC, HAS BEEN
FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND WILL
BE FOR MANY YEARS GOING FORWARD.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL OF US
TO SOLVE THESE CHALLENGES AND
MEET THE NEED. SO THANK YOU, MR.
CHAIR, FOR CONVENING US. GREAT.
THANK YOU. SO I'M GOING TO TRY
TO DO THIS REALLY RAPID FIRE,
MISS. GALYSHEVA YOU SAY YOU
IDENTIFY 37 PROJECTS, DO YOU
HAVE 37 PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE
IDENTIFIED AS THESE ARE THE
FIRST 37 PROJECTS YOU WANT TO
ROLL OUT. IS THAT CORRECT? IF
THOSE HAVE BEEN CLEARLY
IDENTIFIED. SO THE SUGGESTION
THAT WE HAD BEFORE ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO HAVE
LEGISLATION THAT DEALS
SPECIFICALLY WITH THOSE 37
PROJECTS AND TRY TO ACCELERATE
THEM, IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER TO
COME UP WITH EXEMPTIONS, ETC. IF
IT'S LIMITED TO THOSE 37
PROJECTS, WHAT'S YOUR INITIAL
REACTION TO THAT IDEA? WE'LL
TAKE ANYTHING WE CAN GET, BUT WE
ALSO HAVE 32 PROJECTS THAT ARE
TIER TWO PROJECTS, BECAUSE WHEN
WE ISSUED AN RFP TO SEE WHAT THE
ECOSYSTEM FOR HYDROGEN RIGHT NOW
IN CALIFORNIA IS, WE RECEIVED
OVER 100 PROJECTS, ALL VIABLE
PROJECTS TOTALING OVER $56
BILLION IN CALIFORNIA. THERE HAD
BEEN DEVELOPING AS A PATCHWORK
AND NOT CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER.
THE BENEFIT OF ARCHES IS THAT WE
CREATE THAT ECOSYSTEM. WE CREATE
THAT MATCHMAKING WHERE AN OFF
TAKER AND A PRODUCER CAN TALK TO
EACH OTHER. WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE
A MARKETPLACE WHERE WE COULD
EVEN BE DOING JOINT PURCHASES
FOR SEVERAL TRANSIT AGENCIES OF
MANY BUSSES TO BRING DOWN THE
COST TO BRING MANUFACTURING. SO
YES, IT IS VERY HELPFUL, BUT
LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE
BUILDING AN ECOSYSTEM AND WE'RE
GOING TO TRY AND IDENTIFY THE
BENEFITS THAT WE CAN BRING TO
ALL THE PROJECTS IN ANY CASE,
ANY LEGISLATION, ANY FRAMEWORK
THAT IS HELPFUL WILL BE HELPFUL
TO ALL PROJECTS, AND WE LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
YOU'RE SORT OF THE IN VITRO
FERTILIZATION OF THE CHICKEN AND
EGG ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT, BUT IT'S
EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED, WHICH IS
WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT WAS
REALLY WISE FOR THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO COME UP WITH THE
HUB. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I
APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE
THAT I'M GOING TO GO VERY
QUICKLY, MR. BARNES. BUSSES,
BESIDES ECONOMIES OF SCALE, IS
THERE ANYTHING ELSE CRITICAL
THAT COULD BRING DOWN THE COST
OF BUSSES OR THE, FROM FROM YOUR
PERSPECTIVE? WELL, I THINK
THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES. YOU
COULD PROBABLY DO A WHOLE
SEPARATE HEARING ON THE STATE OF
THE BUS MARKET RIGHT NOW.
ECONOMIES OF SCALE CERTAINLY
HELP. AND I THINK THE
COORDINATION THAT'S HAPPENING
THROUGH ARCHES IS GOING TO HELP
AS WELL, THERE IS A LOT MORE
WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN
THE BUS MARKET SEGMENT BECAUSE
OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. ONCE YOU
GET TO GET TO US WITH THAT, THAT
ANSWER, ANY YOU KNOW, SOMETIME
AS WE GO FORWARD, MISS TOMLEY,
WHAT HOW CHALLENGING IS IT FOR
YOUR TRUCK FLEETS, PARTICULARLY
THE SOLE PROPRIETORS OF THE
SMALLER FLEETS? HOW CHALLENGING
IT IS FOR THEM. HOW MUCH
PUSHBACK ARE YOU GETTING FROM
THEM IN TERMS OF ADOPTING THESE
THESE FUEL CELL VEHICLES? I KNOW
THEY'RE HUGELY EXPENSIVE AND
TOUGH, BUT YOU GOT ANY
SUGGESTIONS FOR US IN TERMS OF
WHAT WE COULD DO? RIGHT? I THINK
YOU YOU ABSOLUTELY IDENTIFIED
IT. WE IN THE PORTS OF LONG
BEACH AND LOS ANGELES, WE HAVE
OVER 23,000 TRUCKS THAT ARE
OPERATING IN AND OUT OF THE
PORTS. AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE
54 THAT ARE FUEL CELL RIGHT NOW.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THAT ARE
ELECTRIC. WE'RE CLOSE TO JUST
UNDER 400 THAT ARE ZERO EMISSION
TRUCKS THAT ARE OPERATING NOW.
BUT THE COST IS VERY EXPENSIVE
FOR THESE FUEL CELL TRUCKS.
THEY'RE 3 TO 4 TIMES MORE
EXPENSIVE THAN A TRADITIONAL
DIESEL. AND A LOT OF THE
OPERATORS, THE SMALLER
INDEPENDENT OWNER OPERATORS, USE
USED TRUCKS. AND SO THEY PAY
EVEN MUCH LESS. SO SUBSIDIES TO
HELP REDUCE THE COST SUBSIDIES
TO HELP TO OR INCENTIVES TO HELP
REDUCE THE COSTS, MONEY TO HELP,
BRING DOWN THE COST OF THE FUEL.
ALL OF THAT'S GOING TO BE
IMPORTANT. BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS
ON SOME OF THE LARGER OPERATORS
FIRST THAT CAN HELP DEVELOP THAT
TRICKLE DOWN MARKET. GREAT.
THANK YOU. SO THAT THERE ARE USE
VEHICLES OUT THERE, MR. HANSON,
PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN OF
THIS WHOLE EFFORT OF GOING FROM
CARBON TO CARBON. PLUS IS IT
APPEARS I HAVE PEOPLE TELLING ME
THERE'S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS
SHORTAGE OF ELECTRICIANS. AND
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT
ASSURANCES THAT THERE WILL BE
ENOUGH SKILLED AND TRAINED
ELECTRICIANS? THAT WE'RE GOING
TO INCREASE THE TRAINING
CAPACITY, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO
ELECTRIFY THE WHOLE STATE,
ESSENTIALLY ONE WAY OR THE
OTHER, EVEN IF IT'S FUEL CELLS,
WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? WHAT
WHAT KIND OF HELP NEEDS TO
HAPPEN FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, ETC?
SO I THINK DOING PROJECTS LIKE
WE'RE DOING WITH ARCHES, WHERE
WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF THE
PLANNING SO THAT WE CAN INSTILL
CONFIDENCE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL,
AT THE JOINT LABOR MANAGEMENT
APPRENTICESHIP TRAINING
PROGRAMS, CALIFORNIA HAS THE
LARGEST NETWORK IN THE COUNTRY.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 65,000,
GIVE OR TAKE UNION CONSTRUCTION
APPRENTICES. IT'S MORE THAN THE
NEXT THREE LARGEST STATES
COMBINED, BUT THE BETTER THAT WE
CAN FORECAST THAT WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE A NEED FOR ELECTRICIANS,
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEED FOR,
INSULATORS. AND YOU NAME ALL THE
CRAFTS, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO
BE ALL TYPES OF CRAFTS WORKING
ON HERE. IN ADDITION TO
ELECTRICIANS. THE BETTER WE CAN
PLAN. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE
HAD 73,000 UNION CONSTRUCTION
APPRENTICES, WITH COVID SENDING,
YOU KNOW, SIGNALS OF, HEY, WE'RE
NOT SURE WHAT'S THE WHAT'S GOING
TO TAKE PLACE IN THE WORLD.
PEOPLE PULL BACK. SO THE MORE
PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENTS YOU'RE
LOOKING AT, PROJECT LABOR
AGREEMENTS AND OTHER AVENUES
LIKE SB 150, THE MORE THAT WE
CAN SIGNAL THAT THREE YEARS FROM
NOW, WE'RE GOING TO START
WORKING ON THE SCATTERGOOD
PLANT. WE'RE GOING TO NEED
SKILLED CRAFT WORKERS. THEY KNOW
EVEN THOUGH WE GET A COUPLE
FOLKS OUT OF WORK, BECAUSE JOBS
ARE ALWAYS ENDING AND ALWAYS
STARTING, WE HAVE TO BRING IN
THAT NEXT CLASS OF APPRENTICES.
WE GOT TO CONTINUE TRAINING. IS
THERE ANY OFFICIAL SORT OF
FORECASTING AGENCY, DEPARTMENT
GROUP, ETC? THAT IS GIVING US
VERIFIABLE INFORMATION ABOUT
WHAT WE NEED? ABSOLUTELY. WE'VE
DONE, WE'VE DONE ANALYSIS OF THE
PROJECTS COMING UP FOR ARCHES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 450,000
MEMBERS IN THE BUILDING TRADES
UNIONS. WE COULD HAVE MORE IF
THERE WERE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO
GO TO WORK. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE
GIVE YOU THE IBEW, FOR EXAMPLE,
ACROSS THE STATE AND TRAINING
CENTER. AFTER TRAINING CENTER,
THERE'S LINES OF PEOPLE WAITING
TO COME IN THAT ARE READY TO GO
TO WORK, READY TO BEGIN THEIR
TRAINING, BUT THEY'RE WAITING TO
IDENTIFY JOBS. SO THE SOONER WE
IDENTIFY JOBS AND THE FURTHER
OUT IN THE FUTURE WE IDENTIFY
THEM. IT'LL GIVE THOSE PROGRAMS
CONFIDENCE TO GET STARTED. SO WE
DON'T REALLY HAVE SHORTAGES. WE
JUST HAVE TO GET IDENTIFY THOSE
PROJECTS COMING OUT. THANK YOU.
AND YOU WANTED TO JUMP. THIS
MIGHT ACTUALLY BE AN EXCELLENT
OPPORTUNITY TO START AN
INITIATIVE OF WHERE WE'RE
SIGNALING WHAT THE MARKET WOULD
BE MUCH MORE LOUDLY AND
FORCEFULLY. ARCHES WAS ALSO
SELECTED AS A MEGA PROJECT BY
THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR THAT
NEEDS TO BE SIGNALED. THAT ALSO
SUPPORTS THE ARCHES PROJECTS, WE
ARE ALSO SUPPORTED BY THE DOE
WITH THE DOE SELECTION, THE $1.2
BILLION IS GREAT, BUT IT'S JUST
A CATALYST THAT ACCELERATES THE
OTHER $12 BILLION THAT THE
ARCHES PROJECTS OPEN UP. AND I
THINK THAT IF WE HAVE
INITIATIVES ON THE STATE LEVEL,
WHETHER IT'S WITH PERMITTING,
WHETHER IT'S WITH STRAIGHT LINES,
STREAMLINING AND SIGNALING A
SUPPORT FOR THOSE PROJECTS IN
THAT ECOSYSTEM THAT AMPLIFIES
THE MESSAGE AND ALLOWS FOR THAT
TRAINING. TO YOUR FIRST
QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO CHIME
IN. YOU ASKED, SHOULD WE HAVE
SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THOSE? AND
THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, BECAUSE
THE SUCCESS OF THOSE INITIAL 37
PROJECTS DETERMINES WHETHER
THERE WILL BE ANOTHER 31. IT'S
INSTRUMENTAL, FOR US AND THE DOE
THAT THESE ARE SUCCESSFUL AND
THAT WE THEN HAVE THAT FRAMEWORK
THAT WE BUILD UPON FOR ALL OF
THESE REASONS. SO THANK YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CALL THIS
PANEL TO A CLOSE AND BRING UP
THE NEXT SIX PEOPLE. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. WE REALLY APPRECIATE
THAT. I WISH WE HAD MORE TIME
FOR MORE QUESTIONS, AND, SO IF
THE PANELISTS WILL COME UP AND
IT'S, DOCTOR ADAM WEBER, CHIEF
TECHNOLOGY OFFICER OF ARCHES,
RANDY HOWARD, GENERAL MANAGER OF
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA POWER
AGENCY, STYX, FOUNDER OF THINK
WHAT'S FOUNDATION, TOM KNOX,
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF VALLEY
CAN, DON BOYLAN. BOYLAN,
DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.
PLUG POWER. AND MICHAEL LOHR,
EXECUTIVE ENGINEER OF TOYOTA.
THANKS DID YOU CATCH WHAT SHE
SAID OVER HERE? WHAT SHE WAS
SAYING. I'LL GO BACK AND WATCH.
YEAH, OKAY, GOOD. SO I SORT OF
HAVE THEM. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE
GOING TO, SAME THING. OF COURSE,
THE SECOND PANEL IS ALWAYS
SHORTER ON TIME THAN THE FIRST
PANEL, BUT THERE'S ONLY SIX OF
YOU INSTEAD OF SEVEN, AND, WE'LL
TRY TO MOVE AS PROMPTLY AS, AS
WE CAN IN TERMS OF TIME. BUT
AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE DOING. BUT
WHAT'S REALLY VALUABLE FOR US IS
WHAT WHAT ARE THE OBSTACLES THAT
YOU WOULD HOPE WE MIGHT BE ABLE
TO HELP YOU OVERCOME IN TERMS OF
AND YOU'RE THE OFF TAKERS IN
TERMS OF INCREASING OFFTAKE AND
HAVING, RELIABLE DEMAND FOR THIS
SUPPLY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
INCENTIVIZE FROM THE FIRST
PANEL. SO WITH THAT, DOCTOR,
ADAM WEBER, CHIEF TECHNOLOGY
OFFICER OF ARCHES, YEAH. IF YOU
CAN BRING UP THE SLIDE, SO THANK
YOU, FOR NICE AND CLOSE TO THE
MIC. SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME
HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS A LITTLE
BIT. ANGELINA ALREADY COVERED A
LOT. SO I CAN BE BRIEF, WHAT I
WANTED TO SHOW AND WHAT'S SHOWN
ON THAT SLIDE THERE IS REALLY,
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE Kò CIRCUIT
OF ARCHES IS REALLY BUILDING
THAT ECOSYSTEM. AND THAT'S KIND
OF TAKING THAT THAT CHICKEN AND
THE EGG AND MAKING A FRITTATA OR
AN OMELET OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO
REALLY LOOK AT IT. RIGHT WE'RE
BUILDING PROJECTS THAT WILL BE
PROVIDING KIND OF THE CERTAINTY
BUILDING THE MARKET AND BUILDING
THE ECOSYSTEM. AND BEING THAT
INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THOSE
PRODUCTION AND BETWEEN THE
OFFTAKE. SO YOU SEE THAT ON THE
RIGHT OF THE SLIDE REALLY, WHICH
IS KIND OF A HYDROGEN FLOW, IF
YOU WILL. SO YOU SEE, WE WILL
HAVE MULTIPLE PRODUCTION SITES
ALL FEEDING INTO THE ACTUAL
MARKETPLACE. AND THEN THAT
FEEDING OUT TO DIFFERENT
OFFTAKE. AND SO THAT KIND OF
BUILDS A ROBUST AND RESILIENT IT
SIGNALS AS WELL KIND OF LONG
TERM VIABILITY FOR THE
PRODUCTION PROJECTS. IT PROVIDES
PRICE CERTAINTY FOR THE OFFTAKE
PROJECTS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW,
INFORMING THINGS LIKE THE
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, INFORMING
THE NEEDS THAT THAT WE HAVE
GOING FORWARD. AND SO WE'VE DONE
ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECTS. WE'VE
ALSO DONE THE LIFE CYCLE
ASSESSMENT, ANALYSIS OF THE
PROJECTS USING KIND OF STANDARD
TECHNIQUES, FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT,
I'M ALSO A SCIENTIST AT LAWRENCE
BERKELEY LAB. SO WE LEVERAGE
KIND OF THOSE RESOURCES TO
REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE
BENEFITS OF THE HYDROGEN, WHAT
ARE THE BENEFITS OF THE
PROJECTS, AND AS WELL AS MAKING
SURE THAT THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY
WITHIN THAT WHOLE ECOSYSTEM THAT
WE'RE BUILDING. SO THE KEY THING
IS, YOU KNOW, IF I WANT TO LEAVE
YOU WITH SOMETHING, IT'S REALLY
TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW,
ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN ENABLE TO
ENABLE ARCHES TO BUILD THAT
ECOSYSTEM AND REMOVE THE
BARRIERS SUCH THAT IT IS KIND OF
THE CLEARINGHOUSE FOR THE
ACTIVITIES AND THE HYDROGEN
ACTIVITIES THROUGH THE STATE IS
GOING TO BENEFIT. I THINK
EVERYBODY THE STATE AND ITS
PEOPLE AND THE PROJECTS, GREAT.
THANKS FOR BEING CONCISE WITH
YOUR COMMENTS, JUST BEING ON THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE PODIUM WHEN I
SPEAK TO COMMITTEES, THERE'S A
TENDENCY FOR ME ALSO TO TRY TO
LEAN ALL THE WAY FORWARD. WE
CAN'T MOVE THESE MICS, BUT YOU
GUYS CAN PULL THOSE THINGS RIGHT
UP TO YOUR MOUTH, AND YOU CAN
SIT NICE AND STRAIGHT IF YOU IF
YOU WANT TO DO THAT, RANDY
HOWARD, GENERAL MANAGER,
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA POWER
AGENCY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK
YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HERE. I HAD SOME SLIDES, BE A
LITTLE DIFFICULT TO PUT THEM UP
SO I WON'T PUT THEM UP, BUT JUST
A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO
GET ACROSS. SIMILAR TO PAUL
HABIB LÀ, DWP, WHERE WE'RE A
LARGE ENERGY PROVIDER AND WE
HAVE ONE OF THE LARGE POWER
PLANT PROJECTS IN THE ARCHES,
IT'S BUILT IN 2012, SO IT'S A
VERY NEW PLANT, ONE OF THE MOST
EFFICIENT PLANTS IN THE STATE.
IT'S LOCATED DOWN IN THE CITY OF
LODI, RIGHT ALONG THE I-5
CORRIDOR. IT'S WELL POSITIONED.
WE HAVE ABOUT 1000 ACRES AROUND
US THAT ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF
LODI, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US
IN THAT PROJECT, WE USE
RECLAIMED WATER AND OUR PROJECT,
WE'VE ALREADY INSTALLED THE
TURBINE CAPABLE OF A 45% BLEND
OF HYDROGEN. IT'S INSTALLED,
IT'S READY TO GO. WHAT WE NEED
IS THE HYDROGEN. SO PART OF OUR
ARCHES PROJECT IS REALLY TO
BUILD OUT THE ELECTROLYZERS AND
THE STORAGE CAPABILITY TO
PRODUCE THE HYDROGEN. WHAT WE'RE
REALLY GOOD AT IS BUILDING POWER
PLANTS, OPERATING POWER PLANTS,
DOING A LOT OF RENEWABLES. AND
ONE OF OUR BIG CONCERNS IS WE
HAVE A LOT OF EXCESS RENEWABLES
AND CURTAILED RENEWABLES TODAY.
AND IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT MY
SLIDE DECK, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE
CONTINUE TO GROW THE AMOUNT OF
EXCESS AND CURTAILED RENEWABLES
THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. AND SO
FROM OUR UTILITY PERSPECTIVE,
IT'S TO TAKE THOSE EXCESS
RENEWABLES TO PRODUCE THE
HYDROGEN, STORE THAT HYDROGEN,
USE IT WHEN OUR POWER PLANT
OPERATES, OUR POWER PLANT
OPERATES DOWN THERE ABOUT 50% OF
THE TIME. SO IT DOESN'T OPERATE
MUCH DURING THE DAY. SO IF
THERE'S EXCESS ON THE GRID,
WE'RE NOT OPERATING THAT PLANT.
WE WANT TO USE THAT SAME
TRANSMISSION LINE, THE SAME
INTERCONNECTION, THE SAME
ELECTRICAL FACILITIES TO PRODUCE
HYDROGEN. LET IT BE A LOAD
DURING THOSE TIMES. USE THAT
EXCESS THAT OUR CUSTOMERS
ALREADY PAY FOR. THE ONE THING
WITH A LOT OF THE RENEWABLES
WE'RE PAYING FOR THEM, WHETHER
WE USE THEM OR NOT, THAT'S PART
OF THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE. THE
OTHER THING THAT WITH ELECTRIC
GRID AND TRYING TO DECARBONIZE
THE GRID, WE KNOW THE PHYSICS OF
IT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE INERTIA
THAT ELECTRICITY DOESN'T MOVE
ON. ITS OWN. YOU'RE EITHER
PUSHING IT OR YOU'RE PULLING IT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SPINNING
MACHINES. WE CAN'T JUST USE
SOLAR FIELDS. WE CAN'T USE JUST
WIND TURBINES. WE CAN'T USE
BATTERIES. WE HAVE TO HAVE
SPINNING MACHINES. SO TAKING A
SET OF SOME OF OUR EXISTING
POWER PLANTS THAT CAN BE
CONVERTED TO HAVE THE RIGHT
ABILITY TO DO SO, CONVERT THOSE
AND REPURPOSE THEM WITH HYDROGEN
TO HAVE A ZERO EMISSION
FOOTPRINT IS JUST CRITICAL TO
OUR SUCCESS. SO ARCHES PROVIDES
US WITH THAT OPPORTUNITY TO
DEMONSTRATE IT, DEMONSTRATE IT
SOON OUR PLANT SHOULD BE
CAPABLE. SIEMENS IS OUR
TECHNOLOGY PROVIDER. THEY'RE
SAYING BY ABOUT 2028 TO BE 100%
EMISSION FREE. SO 100% HYDROGEN,
OUR OUR ONLY CHALLENGE THERE IS
BEING ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT MUCH
HYDROGEN ON SITE. WE HOPE TO BE
A VERY BIG USER OF IT, BUT A
PRODUCER AS WELL. YOU KNOW, SOME
OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE
BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT FOR, WAIVING
SOME OF THE PERMITTING PROCESSES
OR MAKING SOME OF THAT MORE
STREAMLINED IS GOING TO BE VERY
CRITICAL FOR THE TIMELINE. ALSO,
THE COST IS GOING TO BE VERY
IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE
THE CAPABILITY OF ALSO
SUPPORTING TRANSPORTATION SECTOR
AND THE PORT OF OAKLAND, WHICH
IS ONE OF OUR MEMBERS WITH
HYDROGEN FROM OUR FACILITY. BUT
RIGHT NOW, OUR FOCUS IS A HEAVY
EMPHASIS ON WHAT'S THE HYDROGEN
WE NEED. HOW DO WE PRODUCE IT,
AND USING THAT EXCESS RENEWABLES
TO DO SO. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. AND WE'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE
THAT, YOUR SLIDES AND
EVERYBODY'S SLIDES GET PART OF
THE RECORD HERE SO THAT SOMEBODY
THAT GOES TO LOOK AT THIS WILL
BE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THE
POWERPOINT SLIDES THAT ARE OUT
THERE, STICKS. ABSOLUTELY.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER HEARING
EVERYBODY TALK, I KNOW EXACTLY
WHY I'M HERE. ALL RIGHT, I
REPRESENT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE OFTEN FORGOTTEN ABOUT WHEN
WE INTRODUCE NEW TECHNOLOGY, NEW
INFRASTRUCTURE, OPPORTUNITIES.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT AND JOB
OPPORTUNITIES AND THINGS LIKE
THAT, IT USUALLY LEAVES OUT THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN COMMUNITIES
LIKE WHAT'S IN COMMUNITIES LIKE
COMPTON, CERTAIN PARTS OF
INGLEWOOD, ETC, ETC. SO I'M NOT
GOING TO PRETEND TO SPEAK FOR
EVERY SINGLE PERSON BECAUSE I
WOULD THAT WOULD BE, FOOLISH OF
ME, BUT I WILL SPEAK FOR THE
INDIVIDUALS THAT I HAVE DIRECT
CONTACT WITH AND WHAT I DO KNOW
IS IN COMMUNITIES LIKE WATTS,
YOUR LIFE EXPECTANCY IS 75 YEARS
OLD AND A REASON. ONE OF THE
MAJOR FACTORS OF THAT IS AIR
POLLUTION, UNDERSTANDING THE
ALAMEDA CORRIDOR, UNDERSTANDING
HOW HEAVY DUTIES TRAVEL THROUGH
COMMUNITIES LIKE THAT IS A MAJOR
CAUSE OF AIR POLLUTION IN THESE
AREAS, I WILL SPEAK MORE TOWARDS
IN A SECOND OF WHAT WE NEED FROM
YOU. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S THE
MAIN POINT OF THIS ENTIRE
CONVERSATION, I WILL ALSO SPEAK
ABOUT, THE SOCIO ECONOMIC
FACTORS OF HOW CREATING JOBS IS
VERY IMPORTANT. AND A LOT OF
TIMES ON THE PANEL, WE I'VE
HEARD A LOT JOBS, JOBS, JOBS
AND, WELL, ARE WE PREPARED TO
HANDLE THAT? I'LL JUST TELL YOU
WHAT I ALREADY HAVE SET UP EL
CAMINO COLLEGE, COMPTON COLLEGE,
LA TRADE TECH, LAUSD, HAVE ALL
AGREED TO WORK WITH THINK WATTS
FOUNDATION TO PRODUCE JOB
CREATION AND TRAINING FOR
INDIVIDUALS AND STUDENTS WHO ARE
INTERESTED IN THE SCIENCES OF
FUEL CELL ENERGY AND TECHNOLOGY
AND HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE
THAT'S IN PLACE. SO AS SOON AS
THE MONEY IS DEPLOYED AND COMES
DOWN, WE CAN IMMEDIATELY START
ACTIVATING THESE PROGRAMS WITH
ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT
INSTITUTIONS, ALONG WITH
ORGANIZATIONS LIKE LA URBAN
LEAGUE AND BROTHERHOOD CRUSADE,
WHO ARE ALL INVOLVED IN THE IDEA
OF PRODUCING JOBS WITHIN THE
WITHIN THIS NEW INDUSTRY OF
HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHY
IS THIS IMPORTANT? AGAIN, I LIKE
TO I LIKE TO PUT A MAGNIFYING
GLASS ON WATTS BECAUSE THAT'S
WHERE I COME FROM. THAT'S I KNOW
THE MOST ABOUT THE DATA AND THE
INFORMATION AND THE PEOPLE,
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS.
SO AVERAGE INCOME 48,000,
BETWEEN 48,000 TO $52,000 A
YEAR. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN
THIS, IN THIS PLACE RIGHT NOW
WOULD LOSE THEIR MIND IF THEY
WAS MAKING THAT MUCH MONEY A
YEAR. NOW, LET'S GET FORWARD,
AVERAGE GAS SPENDING A YEAR,
$1,600 AVERAGE. LOAN IS 26,000
FOR A USED CAR, PLUS 11%
INTEREST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
$523 A MONTH. AND AN ANNUAL
INSURANCE AT 2937, WHICH EQUALS
A TOTAL IF YOU CALCULATE THOSE
NUMBERS, I'LL KEEP IT FAST.
THAT'S ABOUT $10,813 ANNUALLY
THAT YOU SPEND JUST ON
TRANSPORTATION. THAT'S 20% OF
YOUR INCOME. IF YOU LIVE IN THAT
TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER
YOU'RE BLACK OR BROWN, RIGHT?
PEOPLE OF COLOR THAT IS NOT
EQUITABLE OR SUITABLE FOR
INDIVIDUALS. AND HOW DOES THIS
RELATE? RIGHT. IF WE CAN PRODUCE
MORE JOBS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
SALARIES THAT CAN REACH WITHOUT.
YOU DON'T NEED A HIGH SCHOOL
DIPLOMA THAT CAN REACH ANYWHERE
BETWEEN 60,000 TO EVEN $80,000 A
YEAR, OBVIOUSLY, BASED ON
EXPERIENCE AND DIFFERENT THINGS
LIKE THAT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
PIPEFITTERS, ELECTRICIANS, WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT PLUMBERS, THE, THE
THAT IS THE BASIC LEVEL OF ENTRY
FOR HYDROGEN FUELING AND
HYDROGEN ECONOMY. NONE OF THESE
TRADES DO. YOU NEED A COLLEGE
DEGREE TO PARTICIPATE. SO WHAT
I'M SAYING IS THIS IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT AT
THE GROUND LEVEL. IF WE ALL CAN
COME TOGETHER. AS WE KNOW, THE
DOE HAS ALREADY COMMITTED TO
ARCHES, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
MONEY. AS LONG AS WE CAN WORK
TOGETHER TO GET TO THE POINT
WHERE WE CAN DEPLOY THIS MONEY
FAST ENOUGH, WE HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT AND
PROVIDE FOR THE INDIVIDUALS IN
LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES. AND LAST
BUT NOT LEAST, I JUST WANT TO
DROP THIS SMALL NUGGET. THERE'S
THIS BIG MISCONCEPTION THAT THE
COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT HYDROGEN
OR HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE
BECAUSE OF X, Y, OR Z. WE HAVE
ALREADY LAUNCHED PROGRAMS WITH,
VALLEY CAN WITH TOM KNOX AND
TOYOTA, WHERE WE'VE DISTRIBUTED
27 TOYOTA MIRAI TO VEHICLES.
CONSIDERING WHERE THE
INFRASTRUCTURE IS TODAY WITH
HYDROGEN STATIONS, AND WE HAVE
HAD ZERO COMPLAINTS FROM ANYONE
WHO IS DRIVING A TOYOTA MIRAI,
WELL, I'M STILL I'M STILL
COMPLAINING ABOUT WHERE THE
STATIONS ARE BECAUSE WE DON'T
HAVE ENOUGH. SO WE NEED MORE
INVESTMENT. SO WE CAN BUILD MORE
STATIONS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO
TRAVEL FROM WATTS TO TORRANCE OR
WATTS TO SANTA MONICA TO FILL UP
OUR VEHICLE OR EVEN SOMETIMES
HOLLYWOOD TO FILL UP OUR VEHICLE.
BUT NO ONE'S COMPLAINING.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY MORE EXCITED
AND INTERESTED TO LEARN MORE
ABOUT THE HYDROGEN ECONOMY. AND
SO LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I KNOW
BECAUSE I'LL DO THIS ALL DAY
BECAUSE I'M VERY PASSIONATE
ABOUT IT, THIS IS IMPORTANT. WE
JUST NEED THE COLLECTIVE EFFORT
TO COME TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE
GET THE RESOURCES FINANCIALLY TO
AGENCIES LIKE ARCHES, SO THEY
CAN GET THEM TO ORGANIZATIONS ON
THE GROUND LEVEL, LIKE THINK
WATTS FOUNDATION. TO BE ABLE TO
BE ABLE TO JOBS AND
VEHICLES. I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR
ENERGY AND PATIENCE FOR THIS.
AND GO AHEAD. AND ASSEMBLY
MEMBER, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO RUN,
BUT I CAME TO SEE YOU, BROTHER,
BECAUSE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW
EACH OTHER PERSONALLY, BUT OUR
PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER. YEAH.
AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE
THIS CONNECTION FOR A LONG TIME,
APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID
AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS SPOKEN
SO FAR. AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I
HAVE TO RUN. I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO
HAVE MANY, MANY MORE OF THESE
MEETINGS. AND I THINK THE POINT
THAT YOU'RE MAKING IS POWERFUL.
IT'S ALSO WHY IT'S SO CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT FOR US TO SET UP
STUFF. RIGHT? RIGHT. BECAUSE
PART OF THE REASON THE AIR
QUALITY IS SO BAD IS NOT JUST
WITH TRAVEL. WE KNOW THOSE
REFINERIES DOWN THE STREET,
RIGHT? RIGHT. WE KNOW THE SMELL
WHEN WE GET WHEN WE GET DOWN
THERE, I GOT THE OIL FIELD IN MY
DISTRICT. ABSOLUTELY, AND, AND
PART OF THAT IS BUILT BECAUSE OF
TRANSITIONING FROM ONE TYPE OF
ENERGY TO ANOTHER TYPE OF
ENERGY. IT WAS THE NATURAL GAS
CONVERSATION THAT PREDATED BOTH
OF US. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE
THE CONVERSATION WITH HYDROGEN
IS AND WHY WE'RE LEARNING SO
MUCH. AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR
EVERYBODY HERE BECAUSE WE NEED
TO GO THE ROUTE OF CLEAN AND
SUSTAINABLE ENERGY, AND WE NEED
TO BUILD IT UP THE CORRECT WAY
SO THAT FAMILIES CAN EAT AND
BUILD AND WORK IN THESE
INDUSTRIES FOR DECADES TO COME.
THAT'S WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN.
THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THE CHAIR
IS INTERESTED IN. BUT I JUST
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING UP
HERE AND GIVING YOU THAT REAL,
EXPERIENCE, FOR FOLKS DOWN IN
WATTS AND COMPTON AND
SURROUNDING AREAS, ALL THE WORK
THAT YOU DO IS NOTICED AND
APPRECIATED. THANK YOU FOR
COMING. APPRECIATE YOU. VICE
VERSA. RIGHT BACK TO YOU. THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. AND, MR. TOM
KNOX, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
VALLEY KHN. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
AND MEMBERS, I'M TOM KNOX OF
VALLEY CLEAN AIR. NOW I'M HERE
TO UPDATE YOU ON A PROJECT WE'VE
BEEN DOING, ON, TESTING WHETHER
LIGHT DUTY FUEL CELL VEHICLES
CAN REALLY WORK FOR LOW INCOME
RESIDENTS AND DISADVANTAGED
COMMUNITIES, THIS STARTED AS A
PROJECT WITH GO-BIZ A FEW YEARS
AGO, WHERE WE WERE TESTING
POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO BARRIERS
TO ZEV ADOPTION AND
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES HAS
SINCE GROWN. AND WE'RE LOOKING
AT TWO REGIONS THAT HAVE REALLY
HIGHER BARRIERS TO ZEV ADOPTIONS,
A, RURAL AREAS WHERE RESIDENTS
HAVE TO DRIVE VERY FAR DISTANCES,
AND THEN URBAN AREAS WHERE
YOU'VE GOT A HIGH RATE OF
MULTI-UNIT HOUSING, AS WELL AS A
RELATIVELY, LOW AVAILABILITY OF
EV CHARGING. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE
IS ADAPT THE EXISTING GUIDELINES
FOR CLEAN CARS FOR ALL. AND
WE'VE BEEN OFFERING, USED TOYOTA
MIRAI WITH THE $15,000 GIFT
CARD, TO LOW INCOME RESIDENTS OF
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
CENSUS TRACTS TO SEE IF THIS
WORKS FOR THEM, AS WELL AS TO
LOOK AT AS STYX WAS JUST SAYING,
IF WE CAN ESSENTIALLY ZERO OUT
THE TRANSPORTATION COSTS FOR
THESE HOUSEHOLDS WHERE THEIR
THEIR TRANSPORTATION COST IS THE
HIGHEST SINGLE COST IN MOST
HOUSEHOLDS EVERY MONTH, WHAT'S
THE EFFECT DOES THIS WORK? AND
SO WE'VE DONE TWO ROUNDS OF THIS
PILOT. AND FIRST IN COALINGA,
AROUND THE FUELING STATION AT
HARRIS RANCH, WE HAD 27
CUSTOMERS IN THE SURROUNDING
RURAL AREAS, WE DID THESE
VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS IN APRIL
AND MAY OF 22, SO THESE
CUSTOMERS HAVE NOW BEEN IN THE
CARS FOR 27 MONTHS. AFTER ABOUT
TWO MONTHS OF TRANSITION AT THE
BEGINNING WITH THE CUSTOMERS
GETTING USED TO ONLY ONE FUELING
STATION, AND THEN THE FUELING
STATION NOW HAS A NEW, USE
PATTERN. BIG THANKS TO FIRST
ELEMENT FOR WORKING WITH US TO
RESOLVE THAT, SINCE THEN IT'S
GONE EXTREMELY SMOOTHLY, AND
WE'VE NOW SEEN THESE CUSTOMERS
DRIVING AN AVERAGE OF 18,000
MILES PER YEAR, SOME AS FAR AS
24,000 MILES PER YEAR, WHICH
THEN BRINGS UP ONE ISSUE IS THIS
WAS STARTED BEFORE THE RUN UP IN
HYDROGEN PRICE A COUPLE OF YEARS
AGO, WE'RE HAVING TO CONTINUALLY
SUBSIDIZE THESE DRIVERS, BUT
THEY'RE INCREDIBLY HAPPY IN
THEIR CARS AND THEY WANT TO STAY
IN THEM LONG TERM, WE TOOK THOSE
LESSONS, ADAPTED THEM TO SOUTH
L.A. AND SO IN SEPTEMBER 23RD,
IN ASSOCIATION WITH HALF A DOZEN
COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS,
INCLUDING THINK WATTS, WE FOUND
25 CUSTOMERS WHO WERE WILLING TO
SWITCH TO A USED MIRAI. AND VERY
SIMILAR TO COALINGA, IT'S BEEN A
VERY SMOOTH EXPERIENCE AFTER THE
FIRST MONTH OR SO OF GETTING
USED TO, HOW TO FUEL THE CARS,
THEY LOVE THE RELIABILITY.
THEY'RE SMOOTH. THEY'RE QUIET.
BUT NO ONE CAN CLAIM THAT THE
FUELING NETWORK, ESPECIALLY,
SOUTH OF THE TEN, IS ESPECIALLY
RELIABLE, WHAT WE FOUND, THOUGH,
IS IT MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT,
IT'S NOT INSUFFICIENT FOR THE
NEEDS OF OUR CUSTOMERS. IN THE
PAST 12 MONTHS, EACH OF THEM
HAVE MANAGED TO DRIVE AN AVERAGE
OF 12,000 MILES, FOR THE PAST 12
MONTHS, WHICH IS AS MUCH OR MORE
AS THEY WERE DRIVING GASOLINE
POWERED CARS, AND WHAT THEY'VE
DONE IS JUST ADAPT TO THEIR
GOING TO THE STATION, IN
NON-PEAK TIMES, THEY'RE FUELING
MORE FREQUENTLY, WE SELECTED
THESE CUSTOMERS ALL BASED ON THE
FACT THAT THEY LIVE NEAR OR
DRIVE BY AT LEAST THREE FUELING
STATIONS. SO THEY FIGURED OUT
HOW TO MAKE THAT NETWORK WORK
FOR THEM. NONE OF THEM HAVE
REPORTED THAT FUEL HAS BEEN A
SIGNIFICANT IMPEDIMENT TO LIVING
THEIR LIVES. SO THEY'RE
INCREDIBLY HAPPY. AND WHAT WE'VE
REALLY FOUND IS THE QUALITY OF
LIFE INCREASE, THE LACK OF
STRESS NOW IS INCREDIBLY
DIFFICULT TO FIND OR KEEP A JOB,
ESPECIALLY IN LA, WITHOUT A CAR
BEING FREED UP FROM WORKING FOR
2 OR 3 DAYS A WEEK TO AFFORD THE
GAS TO GET TO WORK HAS NOW GIVEN
A LOT OF THESE CUSTOMERS A NEW
FREEDOM, AND THEY'VE NOW THIS
THIS HAS CHANGED THEIR MENTALITY
ON WHAT'S POSSIBLE, AND SO WE'VE
SEEN, AS I SAID, EXTREMELY HIGH
SATISFACTION. THEY LOVE
HYDROGEN. THIS IS WORKING FOR
THEM. I THINK WE HAVE PROVED OUR
THESIS. THANK YOU CHAIR. REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT. AND IT'S GREAT
TO HEAR THOSE STORIES. AND AGAIN
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
ARE THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE
ABLE TO DO AT THIS LEVEL. AND I
KNOW LIGHT DUTY HYDROGEN CARS IS
A YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S SORT
OF A NICHE. AND MY PREDICTION IS
THAT WON'T BE THE CASE. 15 YEARS
FROM NOW. THE PEOPLE WILL FIND
OUT THAT IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO
PUT IN HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S GOING TO
BE THIS SHORTAGE OF ALL THE
ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS THAT THAT
WE NEED OUT THERE. YOU'RE GOING
TO FIND HYDROGEN, HAVE THAT
OPPORTUNITY AND WHY I GO BACK TO
THE COMMENT I MADE AT THE
BEGINNING OF THIS HEARING, WHICH
IS WE NEED TO KEEP HYDROGEN AND
ELECTRICITY COMPETING WITH EACH
OTHER EVERYWHERE WE CAN. SO THEY
BOTH PUSH EACH OTHER. AND WHEN
WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WHEN ONE
INDUSTRY, THE OTHER ONE CAN, CAN
PICK UP THE SLACK THERE. SO
THANK YOU, DON BOYAJIAN,
DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
AT PLUG POWER. AND DID I
PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME RIGHT? THAT
WAS GOOD. THAT WAS GOOD. THANK
YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. SO
PLUG REALLY PLAYS A UNIQUE ROLE
IN THAT. WE ARE A ONE STOP SHOP
IN THE HYDROGEN SPACE, AND WE'RE
A TRUE FIRST MOVER PIONEER IN
EVERY SENSE. IN ALL ASPECTS OF
THE HYDROGEN SPACE, BOTH ON THE
GENERATION SIDE AND THE OFFTAKE
SIDE. AND FOR ME, IT'S A
PARTICULARLY COOL STORY OF THE
COMPANY BECAUSE I GREW UP RIGHT
NEAR WHERE PLUG IS
HEADQUARTERED. I ACTUALLY
INTERNED THERE 20 YEARS AGO. IT
WAS KIND OF AN R&D SHOP, NOT
MANY PEOPLE. AND NOW TODAY IT'S
A LEADER. IT'S THE FIRST COMPANY
THAT EVER COMMERCIALIZED A FUEL
CELL PRODUCT, A COMMERCIALLY
VIABLE FUEL CELL PRODUCT, 3500
EMPLOYEES. SO TO SEE THAT
CHANGE, RIGHT WHERE I GREW UP,
IT'S A REAL TESTAMENT TO WHERE
THE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING AND HOW
FAR IT'S COME, AS I MENTIONED,
PLUG WAS THE FIRST COMPANY TO
CREATE A COMMERCIALLY VIABLE
FUEL CELL PRODUCT. IT WAS A FUEL
CELL THAT GOES INTO FORK TRUCKS,
OVER 70,000 FUEL CELLS OPERATING
OUT IN THE FIELD TODAY. DURING
THE HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC,
ABOUT 30% OF ALL FOOD ITEMS IN
THE UNITED STATES WERE MOVING ON
A FORK TRUCK THAT WAS POWERED BY
A PLUG POWER FUEL CELL. WE
REALIZED THROUGH DEVELOPING THAT
MARKET, LIKE MR. WEBER TALKED
ABOUT, YOU NEED TO HAVE AN
ECOSYSTEM APPROACH TO BUILDING
TO BUILDING THE HYDROGEN
ECONOMY. WE NEEDED TO HAVE
CAPABILITIES IN THE HYDROGEN
GENERATION. WE NEEDED TO HAVE
CAPABILITIES IN THE REFUELING.
WE BUILT OVER 200 REFUELING
STATIONS, THROUGH BUILDING THIS
FORKLIFT MARKET. BUT WHAT WE'VE
ALSO DONE IS BECOME A LEADING
MANUFACTURER OF ELECTROLYZERS.
AND TODAY, AS OF THIS YEAR, WE
HAVE THE LARGEST OPERATING
ELECTROLYTIC HYDROGEN FACILITY
IN THE UNITED STATES, 15 TONS OF
LIQUID HYDROGEN PER DAY IN
GEORGIA, AND SEVERAL OTHER
PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN
DIFFERENT STAGES OF CONSTRUCTION
OR UNDER DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING
A SITE THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT
IN CALIFORNIA. AND JUST LIKE
BUILDING THAT FIRST FUEL CELL
MARKET, YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO
WALK BEFORE YOU RUN. AND THE
INCENTIVES AND HAVING
FUNCTIONING INCENTIVES IS REALLY
DISPOSITIVE IN MAKING THAT
HAPPEN. WHAT ALLOWED US TO BUILD
THAT FORKLIFT MARKET WAS THE
EXISTENCE OF A FEDERAL TAX
CREDIT, CALLED THE INVESTMENT
TAX CREDIT, FOR QUALIFIED FUEL
CELL PROPERTIES. IT CLEAN, IT
WORKED. IT WAS FUNCTIONAL, AND
IT DROVE COST PARITY WITH
INCUMBENT TECHNOLOGIES. THAT'S
WHAT WAS NECESSARY TO CONVINCE
OUR CUSTOMERS LIKE AMAZON,
WALMART AND HOME DEPOT DEPOT TO
MAKE THAT INVESTMENT. AND QUITE
FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, AS TRUE FIRST
MOVERS IN THIS SPACE, WE EAT
SOME OF THE COSTS. WE'VE BEEN
BUYING HYDROGEN BEFORE. WE HAD
THAT OPERATING ELECTROLYTIC
SITE. WE'VE BEEN BUYING HYDROGEN
FROM FROM GAS COMPANIES FOR A
LONG TIME AND BASICALLY SELLING
IT AT A LOSS. SO THOSE
CUSTOMERS, WE WANTED TO GET OUT
FROM UNDERNEATH THAT, AND WE
WANTED TO DO IT IN A IN A LOW
CARBON INTENSITY WAY. THAT'S WHY
WE'VE MADE THIS COMMITMENT TO
BUILDING OUT ELECTROLYTIC
HYDROGEN FACILITIES ACROSS THE
UNITED STATES. BUT JUST LIKE THE
IMPORTANCE OF HAVING CLEAN
POLICY SIGNALS AND CLEAN,
INCENTIVES FOR FUEL CELLS, YOU
NEED THE SAME FOR GENERATION AS
WELL. AND RIGHT NOW, THERE'S SO
MUCH UNCERTAINTY. AND I THINK
THAT'S CREATING A LITTLE BIT OF
HEARTBURN ACROSS A WIDE RANGE OF
STAKEHOLDERS. UNDERSTANDABLE.
THE DELIBERATION PROCESS IS
IMPORTANT. BUT I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE THIS ONE POINT WITH
RESPECT TO GENERATION, 80% OF
THE COST OF MAKING ELECTROLYTIC
HYDROGEN IS THE COST OF THE
ELECTRICITY. YOU NEED ACCESS TO
CLEAN, CHEAP, CLEAN ELECTRONS.
THAT'S THAT'S PRIORITY NUMBER
ONE. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR A
NEW PROJECT. NOW, WHEN I STARTED
AT PLUG, I LEARNED ABOUT OUR
PROJECT IN FRESNO COUNTY UNDER
DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOT THE BEST
NARRATIVE YOU COULD EVER
IMAGINE. IT'S OLD AGRICULTURAL
LAND, SALT CONTAMINATED, PUTTING
A GREAT REUSE OF THIS LAND. WE
HAVE PLANS TO BUILD A TERTIARY
WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY
FOR THE MUNICIPALITY AND THE
CITY OF MENDOTA. IT HAS A
WONDERFUL NARRATIVE TO IT, WITH
ALL SORTS OF BENEFITS FOR THE
LOCAL COMMUNITY. CERTAINLY
BENEFITS FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. AND
IT HAS A BEHIND THE METER SOLAR
SETUP FOR MAKING ELECTROLYTIC
HYDROGEN, PENCILING OUT A
PROJECT LIKE THAT IN CALIFORNIA
IS TOUGH BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY,
THE COST OF ELECTRICITY COMPARED
TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS. IT'S
CHALLENGING THAT PROJECT IS
DEPENDENT UPON US BEING
GRANDFATHERED INTO NET METERING
2.0. RIGHT. SO IF I CAN LEAVE
YOU WITH ONE POINT, IT'S THAT WE
NEED CLEAR ENERGY POLICY AROUND
THE PRODUCTION OF ELECTROLYTIC
HYDROGEN IN CALIFORNIA. THAT
WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY, POTENT
POLICY TO HELP ENSURE THAT CLEAN
ELECTROLYTIC HYDROGEN IS MADE
HERE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU.
THAT'S AN EASY THING TO DELIVER.
MR. ASSEMBLY MEMBER HEART WILL
BE IN CHARGE OF THAT. MAKE SURE
WE HAVE THAT LOW COST
ELECTRICITY BY NEXT YEAR. RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. MICHAEL LARA,
EXECUTIVE ENGINEER OF TOYOTA,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT
TESTIMONY. AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. AND
I HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION.
HE'S PASSING IT OUT HERE TO US.
SO, TODAY I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY
KIND OF REVIEW WE ANNOUNCED OUR,
HYDROGEN HEADQUARTERS IN
GARDENA, CALIFORNIA, IN MAY 1ST.
SO I WANTED TO KIND OF GO OVER
THAT, SHOWING OUR COMMITMENT TO
HYDROGEN AND THEN MAYBE GET TO
SOME OF THE, QUESTIONS YOU HAD
ON WHAT COULD BE HELPFUL. SO
GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO
TOYOTA HAS BEEN WORKING ON
HYDROGEN. I'M TRYING TO SPEAK
VERY QUICKLY. TIME SINCE 1992 AS
PART OF PROJECT 2000, PROJECT
2000. ALSO RESULTED IN THE BIRTH
OF THE PRIUS THAT WAS INTRODUCED
IN 2001. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT
SLIDE, THIS IS THE ACTIVITY, IN
GARDENA STARTING IN 2001 WITH
FIVE EMPLOYEES, AS YOU CAN SEE,
WE WORKED ON THE FIRST
PROTOTYPES OF THE VEHICLES IN
THE US ON, ROAD TESTING AND
THEN, ADDITIONAL TESTING IN THE
SECOND AND THE THIRD GENERATION.
IN 2010, WE LEASED OUT 100
VEHICLES TO GET FEEDBACK FROM
CUSTOMERS, 2011 WAS THE FIRST
PIPELINE STATION IN TORRANCE,
CALIFORNIA, LEADING UP TO THE
LAUNCH OF THE MIRAI IN 2015. 20
AROUND THAT TIME, WE WERE ALSO
LOOKING AT HOW TO EXPAND THE USE
OF THE FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY, AND
WE STARTED PROJECT PORTAL. AND
IN 2016, WE BUILT OUR FIRST
IN-HOUSE, THE ALPHA TRUCK AND
2016, BASED ON TWO MIRAI FUEL
CELL SYSTEMS. SO EVERYTHING IS
BASED ON THE MIRAI TECHNOLOGY
LEADING UP TO 2018, THE BETA
TRUCK AND 2019 WAS THE ZANU-PF
PROJECT WITH PACKARD AND OTHER
PARTNERS. TEN VEHICLES IN THE
PORT OF LÀ, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
MILES. THREE ARE STILL IN USE,
AND I'LL CONTINUE ON THE NEXT
SLIDE IF THAT'S OKAY, AND WE'LL
TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE
PROJECTS. SO IN GARDENA AND
TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, WE
HAVE FOUR PILLARS FOR, FUEL CELL
DEVELOPMENT. STILL EXTREMELY KEY
IS LIGHT DUTY. AND WE'RE SUPER
PROUD OF THE PROJECTS IN SOUTH
LA. AND THE CENTRAL VALLEY.
THANK YOU. TOM KNOX, BUT LIGHT
DUTY IS, GOING TO BE KEY TO
MEETING THE GOALS OF CALIFORNIA.
AND YOU MENTIONED MAYBE 15 YEARS
OUT, FUEL CELL WILL BE THERE. WE
HAVE 100% MANDATE IN TEN YEARS.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE
QUICKER IN THE LIGHT DUTY SECTOR
TO CAPTURE EVERYONE WHO CAN TO
BE ABLE TO DRIVE A ZERO EMISSION
VEHICLE. TRUCKS ARE THE SECOND
PRODUCT, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE
BOTTOM OF THAT THAT IS OUR
CERTIFIED PICTURE OF OUR
CERTIFIED, DROP IN FUEL CELL
UNIT FOR HEAVY DUTY TRUCK. IT
HAS TWO FUEL CELL STACKS IN IT.
AND THEN WHAT WE CALL, NEW
BUSINESS OR IN JAPANESE, JIHAN,
WHICH IS, OTHER SYSTEMS. AND
I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. AND OF
COURSE, CERTIFICATION,
REGULATION AND STANDARDIZATION,
NEXT SLIDE. JUST KIND OF SHOWS
OUR GEN ONE AND GEN TWO VEHICLES
AND, LIKE I MENTIONED, TOYOTA IS
NOT JUST FOR FUEL CELL. WE
BATTERY ELECTRIC PLUG IN HYBRID
FUEL CELL. THEY ALL HAVE THEIR
PLACE. THEY'RE ALL KEY, AND EACH
ONE WITHIN THE LIGHT DUTY
SEGMENT, THERE ARE HARD TO
ELECTRIFY AND THERE'S HARD TO
FUEL CELL, BUT YOU NEED THEM ALL
TO CAPTURE EVERY SEGMENT OF THE,
OF THE MARKET. SO THERE ARE HARD
TO ELECTRIFY PORTIONS OF THE
LIGHT DUTY SECTOR THAT ONLY FUEL
CELL, WE THINK CAN CAPTURE. NEXT
SLIDE KIND OF JUST SHOWS THE
TIMELINE OF OUR HEAVY DUTY. WE
HAVE THE TWO PROTOTYPES, THE
ALPHA AND THE BETA ON THE TOP
LEADING TO THE ZANZA PROJECT.
AND NOW WE HAVE PRODUCTION IN
TEN VEHICLES ON THE BOTTOM. THE
NEXT SLIDE SHOWS OUR PORT
APPLICATIONS. SO WE HAVE OUR
UNITS ARE IN TOP PICK HANDLERS,
A TRACTOR RIG. WE'RE DOING
DEMONSTRATIONS AND OF COURSE
RUBBER TIRED GANTRY UNITS. SO
THAT WILL BE PART OF THE WE
BELIEVE THE EQUATION OF
DECARBONIZING THE PORT ACTIVITY.
AND JUST, I'LL GO THROUGH THE
NEXT THREE REAL QUICKLY. BUT
THAT'S THREE FLAVORS OF
STATIONARY POWER USING MIRAI
FUEL CELL STACKS, A SMALLER UNIT
THAT WAS SHOWN FIRST AT THE LPGA
EVENT IN PALM SPRINGS. I BELIEVE
IN 2020, RAN THE LEADER BOARD
AND YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE PICTURE
OF IT, SET UP TO FAST CHARGE A
PLUG IN HYBRID, THE TOYOTA RAV4
PRIME. THE NEXT SLIDE IS A
MEDIUM SIZED UNIT. WE'RE WORKING
WITH KOHLER, WHO HAS LOTS OF
EXPERIENCE WITH POWER UNITS, AND
THIS IS BEING INSTALLED AT
KLICKITAT AND LOVE THAT NAME.
VALLEY HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON
STATE USING ALL RENEWABLE
HYDROGEN. SO THAT'S A BACKUP
POWER. AND THEN LASTLY IS THE
MEGAWATT SCALE UNIT AT NREL IN
COLORADO. I THINK THAT JUST CAME
ONLINE. WE WERE IN WITH OUR UNIT
THE REST OF THE SYSTEM IS TAKING
A LITTLE BIT LONGER, SO JUST
WANT TO LEAVE IT. YOU KNOW WHAT?
WHAT IS THE KEY ISSUE FOR
GETTING, THESE UNITS THE MOBILE
YOU KNOW, LIGHT DUTY. HEAVY
DUTY. IT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE
WE NEED TO GET THE HYDROGEN TO
THE USE CASE. SO WE NEED LIGHT
DUTY INFRASTRUCTURE. WE NEED A
REINFORCE THAT AND BUILD THAT
UP. WE NEED HEAVY DUTY
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE NEED TO
BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PORT
EQUIPMENT AND OTHER ITEMS. AND
OF COURSE, REDUCING THE COST OF
HYDROGEN AND ARCHES IS GOING TO
GO A LONG WAY TO DO THAT. WE
BELIEVE. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO
KEY ISSUES RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD
HAVE A LOT MORE MIRAI ON THE ON
THE MARKET IF WE HAD THE
INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT THE
INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE ONLY THING
THAT'S HOLDING IT BACK. OKAY.
WELL, I WANT TO THANK THIS PANEL
BECAUSE ALL OF YOU WERE CONCISE
AND I RARELY GOT TAPPED ON THE
SHOULDER BY, TELLING US TO MOVE
FORWARD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
ALSO, I'M HAPPY BECAUSE
EVERYBODY ELSE IS LEFT, AND NOW
I HAVE ALL THE TIME, FOR THE
QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT I DO,
HAVE, HAVE QUESTIONS AND I HOPE
WE CAN GET THROUGH THEM FAIRLY
EFFICIENTLY BECAUSE WE'RE COMING
UP ON OUR, OUR TIME. BUT MY
FIRST QUESTION WILL START WITH
MR. WEBER, YOU KNOW, WHEN
OPPONENTS TO SOLAR, THE EARLY
OPPONENTS OF SOLAR ARE SOME
PEOPLE FROM THE FROM THE
ELECTRICITY GENERATION INDUSTRY,
ETC, WHICH JUST SAYING IT'S TOO
EXPENSIVE, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.
AND OF COURSE NOW WE SEE SOLAR
HAS COME DOWN. HOW CONFIDENT ARE
YOU THAT 20 YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE
GOING TO SAY, OH, HYDROGEN IS
REALLY VERY MUCH MORE COST
EFFECTIVE DOING IT WITH
RENEWABLE SOURCES, THAT THAT'S
GOING TO END UP BEING A MUCH
CHEAPER ENERGY SOURCE THAN
FOSSIL FUEL IN GENERAL. YEAH. SO
I MEAN, THE FIRST THING THAT YOU
CAN LOOK AT IS THE, YOU KNOW,
THE DOE, HYDROGEN EARTHSHOT,
RIGHT, OF TRYING TO GET DOWN TO
PRODUCTION COSTS TO A DOLLAR PER
KILOGRAM. ARE WE GOING TO GET
THERE WITHIN A DECADE? THERE'S A
CHANCE IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE
LONGER, BUT WE SEE PATHWAYS TO
DO THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT
ELECTROLYZER TECHNOLOGIES,
ESPECIALLY ON THE PRODUCTION
SIDE, THOSE HAVEN'T MOVED MUCH
IN OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW,
SEVERAL DECADES BECAUSE PEOPLE
HAVEN'T HAVE BEEN LOOKING TO
JUST COMMERCIALIZE, LIKE PLUG
LOOKING TO KIND OF COMMERCIALIZE
SOME OF THE FIRST UNITS. WHAT
WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF THE
RESEARCH SIDE IS THERE'S A LOT
MORE FUNDING NOW GOING INTO KIND
OF INNOVATION WITHIN THE
ELECTROLYZER SPACE. AND SO WE'RE
STARTING TO SEE KIND OF
IMPROVEMENTS SIMILAR TO WHAT
WE'VE SEEN ON THE FUEL CELL
SIDE, WHERE THE TOYOTA MIRAI
STACKS HAVE COME DOWN OVER THE
LAST DECADE. WE SEE THAT
HAPPENING FOR THE PRODUCTION
SIDE AS WELL, AND SO I THINK WE
DO HAVE VISIBILITY TO STARTING
TO REACH DOWN TO COST PARITY,
THAT, THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK
AT, WHETHER WE GET EXACTLY COST
PARITY OR THERE'S SLIGHT PREMIUM
FOR A DECARBONIZED TECHNOLOGY,
WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. BUT
THERE IS PATHWAYS THERE. IF
LAWMAKERS HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT
WE WILL GET TO PARITY OR CLOSE
TO PARITY, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT
A LOT EASIER FOR US TO SELL THAT.
YES, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE
THAT MOVE AWAY FROM THE FOSSIL
FUEL GENERATION, YOU KNOW, SIDE
OF THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE
IMPORTANT FOR US TO, TO BE ABLE
TO DO THAT. SO ANY HELP YOU CAN
GIVE IN TERMS OF CONVINCING
PEOPLE, LAWMAKERS IN PARTICULAR,
THAT APPRECIATE IT, THE, MR.
HOWARD, 45% GENERATION, RIGHT
NOW, YOU HAVE WITH YOUR THERMAL
GENERATION, THE CONCERNS I'M
TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO KNOCK
DOWN THE ARGUMENTS, YOU KNOW,
THAT THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO THIS
QUESTION IS OFFERED AS A
FRIENDLY SORT OF HOW DO YOU THE
CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
BE ABLE TO GET TO 100%. AND THEN
PEOPLE HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THAT
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO 100%
AND BE ABLE TO USE TRULY, CLEAN,
FOSSIL FREE HYDROGEN, BECAUSE
YOU'RE SORT OF IN THIS, YOU
KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE SORT OF IN
USING A BLEND OF FOSSIL AND
NON-FOSSIL AT THE TIME. WHAT'S
YOUR SENSE IN TERMS OF THE
CONFIDENCE AND THE TIMEFRAME? IF
YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT, YOU
KNOW. SO IF YOU CONSIDER THAT
TODAY WE USE 100% NATURAL GAS,
SO THE MOMENT I START PRODUCING
HYDROGEN OF, OF A QUANTITY AND
HAVE A STORAGE CAPABILITY, IF I
CAN GET TO 45%, I'VE JUST
IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY. SURE. SO
WE'RE WE'RE ON A WE'RE ON A
MISSION TO GET TO THIS
DECARBONIZED GRID. WE DON'T GET
THERE IMMEDIATELY. SO TECHNOLOGY
HAS TO IMPROVE WITH THIS. SO
WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR
TECHNOLOGY PARTNER. WE'RE THEIR
NORTH AMERICAN SITE FOR THEIR
DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES TOWARDS
THIS. AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO
THAT. WE'RE WE'RE OWNED BY
CITIES AND COMMUNITIES. SO IF WE
DON'T GET THERE BY 2028, WE'RE
GOING TO GIVE IT A REALLY GOOD
TRY. BUT MAYBE WE GET THERE AT
2030. BUT YOU'RE CONFIDENT YOU
WILL GET THERE. I'M VERY
CONFIDENT WE WILL GET THERE OR
VERY CLOSE TO THERE. IT BECOMES
A LOT OF MATERIAL SCIENCE AND
THE MATERIALS AND THE
TEMPERATURES THAT WE USE AND
MAKING SURE THAT WE, WE KEEP ALL
OF OUR OTHER EMISSIONS, LIKE OUR
NOX AND OTHER THINGS DOWN TO
LEVELS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE. SO
WE'RE COMMITTED TO IT AND WE
BELIEVE WE WILL GET THERE. IS
THAT A 15 YEAR HORIZON OR A 50
YEAR HORIZON CLOSER TO 15 YEARS,
OR CLOSER TO 50? I'D SAY LESS
THAN TEN. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S
CLOSER TO 15. WONDERFUL GREAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT.
TRYING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU.
AND, MR. BOYD, YOU TALKED ABOUT
200, 200 FUELING STATIONS, 200
FUELING STATIONS. THIS ACROSS
THE NATION OR, GLOBALLY, OVER
200 GLOBALLY. OFF ROAD. THESE
ARE AT DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, ALL
JUST FOR FORKLIFTS. CORRECT. GOT
IT. PRIMARILY GREAT. ALL RIGHTY,
AND THEN. MR. LLOYD, I HAD HEARD
A YEAR AGO THAT AT THE END OF
2023, YOU WERE GOING TO START
ROLLING, OFF OUT OF A PLANT IN
KENTUCKY, THE DRIVE TRAINS FOR
HYDROGEN TRUCKS. DID THAT
ACTUALLY HAPPEN? YEAH. THAT'S
RIGHT. I DID MENTION THAT IN THE
PRESENTATION. THAT'S THE, FUEL
CELL HEAVY DUTY UNIT, WHICH IS
BEING ASSEMBLED IN KENTUCKY. CAN
YOU PULL THAT A LOT CLOSER TO
YOU? THE MIC? YEAH YOU ARE
REALLY? YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT,
AND SO WHAT WHAT WHAT'S THE
PRODUCTION LEVEL OF THAT
FACILITY NOW? RIGHT NOW, OF
COURSE, WE DON'T MAKE THE
TRUCKS. WE'RE JUST SUPPLYING THE
UNIT. SO WE'RE STILL WAITING. WE
HAVE SOME ORDERS, WHICH I CAN'T
REALLY DISCLOSE RIGHT NOW. OKAY.
BUT WE'RE SO. SO NOW YOU'VE GOT
THE YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY. NOW
YOU NEED THE DEMAND FOR THE
DRIVE TRAINS. RIGHT. AND
OBVIOUSLY THE DRIVE TRAIN IS
CARB CERTIFIED FOR SALE IN
CALIFORNIA. RIGHT. CAN YOU GO
INTO CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COST OF
THOSE DRIVE TRAINS OR IS THAT,
PROPRIETARY? PROBABLY NOT. OKAY,
GREAT. SORRY. THANK YOU. I
COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, RIGHT, I
WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU I WAS
OVER TALKING WITH IN JAPAN,
TALKING AT TOYOTA HEADQUARTERS,
AND I SHARED MY PERCEPTION THAT
HERE IN CALIFORNIA, TOYOTA HAS
BEEN REALLY COMMITTED TO THE
LIGHT DUTY AND THEN MOVING INTO
THE HEAVY DUTY AND THAT, I THINK
QUITE A FEW OF US REALLY BELIEVE
AND I MEAN, QUITE A FEW
LEGISLATORS REALLY BELIEVE THAT
THE FAR BETTER WAY TO MOVE AND
TO MOVE THE LIGHT DUTY MARKET IS
TO MAKE SURE THE INFRASTRUCTURE
IS THERE FOR THE HEAVY DUTY
MARKET THAT 45 YEARS AGO, MY
WIFE AND I BOUGHT A LITTLE
DIESEL RABBIT RIGHT. WE HAD ONE.
EXACTLY. AND WHERE DID WE FUEL
THAT THING? UP? WE FUELED IT UP
AND ALL THE TRUCK STOPS. WE KNEW
ON A TRIP YOU WERE GOING TO COME
TO A TRUCK STOP AND SO YOU COULD
ALWAYS. SO WE HAD NO RANGE
ANXIETY WITH THAT DIESEL. IT
WASN'T AS CONVENIENT AS THE
LOCAL CORNER GAS STATION, AND
YOU COULD ELIMINATE RANGE
ANXIETY ON HYDROGEN IF YOU HAD
IT AT ALL. THE TRUCK STOPS
BECAUSE THERE'S A TRUCK STOP
CLOSER THAN HAVING TO DRIVE ALL
THE WAY TO HOLLYWOOD FROM FROM
WHAT'S I'M SURE THERE'S SOME
PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING
DIESEL FUEL. SO, INSTEAD OF
INVESTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE
TO JUST BUILD LIGHT DUTY
HYDROGEN STATIONS THAT TRUCKS
CANNOT ACCESS, IF YOU INSTEAD IF
WE AND WE'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE
THE CEC, IF INSTEAD YOU MAKE
SURE EVERY 50 MILES ON THE
INTERSTATE YOU'RE GOING TO COME
TO A HYDROGEN TRUCK FUELING
STATION, THAT HAS LIGHT DUTY
CAPACITY RIGHT THERE NEXT TO IT,
I JUST WANT YOU TO PASS ON THERE
ARE MANY LEGISLATORS. I MEAN,
MANY THAT JUST SEE THAT REALLY
BUY THAT AS THE WAY FOR US TO GO
IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SHOULD TRY
TO INCENTIVIZE. SO AND WHEN I
TALK TO THE PEOPLE AT TOYOTA,
THEY SAID THE MARKETING PEOPLE
IN CALIFORNIA TELL US THAT
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO FUEL UP
AT A TRUCK STOP. AND I SAID MY
WIFE HAD THEY SAID, IT JUST
WON'T FEEL SAFE FOR THERE. YOU
KNOW, I SAID MY WIFE HAD NO
TRAVEL PROBLEMS GOING INTO A
TRUCK STOP. AND I WOULD THINK
THAT YOU DRIVING YOUR WOULD
WOULD MUCH RATHER GO FIVE MILES
TO THE TRUCK STOP THAN 25 MILES
TO, TO GET YOUR HYDROGEN. SO I
JUST THINK SOMEBODY'S MAKING A
MISTAKE THERE IN THE MARKETING
SIDE OF IT. SORRY TO GET INTO
THE SPECIFICS OF THAT, BUT I SAY
IT I SAY IT IN A FRIENDLY THING.
I WANT HYDROGEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL
IN CALIFORNIA. I THINK YOU'VE
GOT THE RIGHT IDEA WITH THE
MIRAI, IT'S GETTING THAT. AND
YOU KEPT SAYING, IF WE HAD THE
INFRASTRUCTURE, WE COULD WE
COULD REALLY PRODUCE A LOT MORE.
THAT'S THE KEY TO THE BREAK THE
INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN ONCE
YOU GET ENOUGH MIRAI OUT THERE,
PEOPLE, SAME THING HAPPENED
THERE. DIDN'T USED TO BE DIESEL
AT LOCAL CORNER GAS STATIONS
THAT CAME AFTER PEOPLE STARTED
FUELING THEIR DIESEL CARS UP
THERE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR TOLERATING MY 92ND LECTURE
ON THAT AND STUFF. AND MAYBE
JUST REAL QUICK IF IT'S OKAY.
SURE. AGREE WITH THAT FOR
CERTAIN TRUCK STOPS WHERE
THERE'S A SEPARATE SPOT FOR
PASSENGER CARS, THEY EXIST RIGHT
NOW. THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO PUT
HYDROGEN FOR THE HEAVY DUTY AND
THE LIGHT DUTY. I STILL THINK WE
NEED BOTH. I UNDERSTAND YOUR
POINT VERY WELL. AND JUST
REGARDING THE COST, MAYBE I
SHOULD SAY SOMETHING. THAT'S THE
FUEL CELL SYSTEM IS MORE
EXPENSIVE. SIGNIFICANTLY MORE
EXPENSIVE THAN THE CONVENTIONAL.
SO INCENTIVES FOR THE TRUCKS ARE
STILL VERY IMPORTANT. SO THAT
WOULD BE ANOTHER REQUEST TO
CONTINUE INCENTIVIZING THE
VEHICLES. AND IS YOUR SENSE THAT
THAT COST WILL COME DOWN
SIGNIFICANTLY WITH MASS
PRODUCTION? IT SHOULD COME DOWN.
YES, YES. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE
I WOULD THINK SO. YES. RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, I YOU KNOW, I REALLY
APPRECIATE THIS. WE ARE AT THE
END OF THIS. WE'RE PAST OUR 5:00
TIME FRAME. LET ME JUST TELL YOU
SORT OF THE NEXT STEP, NEXT
JANUARY IS WHEN WE START TO
INTRODUCE LEGISLATION. SO
JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. SO BETWEEN
NOW AND NEXT JANUARY AND
FEBRUARY, THIS HEARING WILL BE
THE BASIS YOU HEARD THE ASSEMBLY
MEMBER PETRIE-NORRIS SAY, HEY,
MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AND
THAT, ETC. WE WILL BE TAKING
THIS AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE
THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD DO TO
TRY TO ENCOURAGE PRODUCTION AND
ENCOURAGE OFFTAKE AND TRY TO
MATCH THESE THINGS, TO MAKE IT
HAPPEN AND CERTAINLY ARCHES IS,
PLAYING A LEADING ROLE IN
HELPING TO ADDRESS THAT. SO WE
WILL BE, YOU KNOW, PAYING
ATTENTION TO ALL OF THAT. SO
WHAT DID YOU, FOCUSED ALL TO
KNOW? WE'LL BE HAVING THOSE
CONVERSATIONS. WE MAY BE
REACHING OUT TO YOU. IF I HAD TO
GUESS, WE'LL HAVE A ZOOM SELECT
COMMITTEE HEARING IF THEY WILL
LET US, BUT THEY PROBABLY WON'T,
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE
BECAUSE WE'LL BE OUT OF SESSION.
AND SO TRYING TO BRING EVERYBODY
TOGETHER WHEN WE'RE OUT OF
SESSION AND SO IF WE CAN HAVE A
ZOOM SELECT COMMITTEE HEARING,
I'M ALLOWED TO HAVE MY OWN ZOOM
MEETING AND I'LL HAVE A ZOOM
MEETING WHERE WE CAN START TO
TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THESE SOME
OF THESE SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU'VE
HAD, WE WILL ASK YOU BETWEEN
NOW, WE'LL ASK YOU. WE'RE ASKING
YOU NOW IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC
SUGGESTIONS ABOUT LEGISLATION
THAT WILL INCENTIVIZE THINGS
THAT'S MORE CREATIVE THAN JUST
GIVE US MORE MONEY. BECAUSE WE
KNOW THAT ONE. BUT TRULY
CREATIVE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WAYS
TO INCENTIVIZE THIS AND THIS IS
FOR PEOPLE ON BOTH PANELS,
PLEASE SEND THEM TO US. YOU NOW
HAVE THIS CONTACTS BEEN MADE,
BUT WE WILL, FLOAT THOSE
SUGGESTIONS TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE
WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS HAVE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
THAT SUGGESTION. TELL US ABOUT
THAT EARLY AND TELL US ABOUT
THAT IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE MAKING THE SUGGESTION.
THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN A
ZOOM. WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY
WHO, IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO
CRITICIZE THE SUGGESTION, SAY IT
IN FRONT OF THE PERSON MAKING
THE SUGGESTION SO THEY CAN
CRITICIZE YOUR CRITICISM. RIGHT.
IT'S JUST SO MUCH FASTER FOR US
THAN FINDING OUT ABOUT IT LATER.
SO I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT WILL
BE THE THEME AND THE APPROACH
THAT WE WILL TAKE AS WE TRY TO
CORRAL THIS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT
THE NEXT STEP IS TO HELP MAKE
THIS HAPPEN. NOW THE FINAL THING
WE HAVE IS WE ALWAYS OPEN THESE
THINGS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND
SO I TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE
PEOPLE IN THE ROOM THAT ARE HERE
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ASK YOU
TO COME ON FORWARD, YOU
PANELISTS CAN GO BACK TO YOUR
SEATS OR YOU CAN STAY WHERE YOU
ARE, WHATEVER YOU PREFER TO DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING
HERE. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. YEAH.
THE SESSION ENDS OFF THE END OF
THE TWO YEAR SESSION. OH BUT WE
COULD STILL HAVE ANOTHER. YOU
CAN'T HAVE A HEARING, BUT I
COULD HAVE ANOTHER. WELL, I'LL
TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT IN A
MINUTE. GO AHEAD. WANT ONE
MINUTE FOR THESE COMMENTS. BUT
WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO GO
90S BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE WAITED
AND THERE AREN'T THAT MANY OF
YOU. SO 90S GO AHEAD, MR. CHAIR.
JOE CRUZ, ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA STATE COUNCIL OF
LABORERS, I WANT TO THANK YOU.
GOOD TO SEE YOU, FOR CONDUCTING
THIS HEARING TODAY, BRINGING TO
LIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF HYDROGEN
PRODUCTION IN CALIFORNIA. I ALSO
WANT TO EXPRESS, I SHARE THE
SAME PASSION MY BROTHER FROM,
WHAT'S THINK FROM, THINK WHAT'S
SHARES WITH WORKING FAMILIES. I
REPRESENT AN ORGANIZATION THAT
HAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF WOMEN,
PEOPLE OF COLOR AND SECOND
CHANCERS, WHERE THE JUMP OFF
POINT AN ENTRY ENTRYWAY INTO THE
CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY. AND WE'RE
EXCITED ABOUT HYDROGEN. WE'RE
EXCITED ABOUT NOT JUST AN ENERGY
TRANSITION, BUT A WORK
TRANSITION. GOOD PAYING JOBS,
HEALTH CARE BENEFITS, EVERYTHING
ASSOCIATED WITH HAVING A GOOD
LIFE AND PROVIDING A GOOD
OPPORTUNITY IS INVOLVED WITH
THIS INDUSTRY. WE WANT TO BE
PART OF THE DISCUSSION. WE THANK
YOU AGAIN AND MEMBERS WHO ARE
ATTENDING TODAY, AND WE LOOK
FORWARD TO A MOVING FORWARD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO,
CHAIR. BENNETT. SARAH FITZSIMON
FROM THE INDEPENDENT ENERGY
PRODUCERS ASSOCIATION, AS YOU
HEARD FROM OUR PANELISTS TODAY,
THERE ARE MANY USES FOR
HYDROGEN, BUT HERE I'M I'M HERE
TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE POWER
SECTOR. SO CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN A
LEADING STATE IN HYDROGEN MARKET
DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE HAD LOTS OF
DIFFERENT TYPES OF LEGISLATION
AND PROGRAMS, LIKE THE
GOVERNOR'S HYDROGEN MARKET
DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, SB 1075,
SB 423, AMONG OTHERS. THESE
EFFORTS, COUPLED WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S HYDROGEN
EARTHSHOT, ARE GOING TO LEAD THE
WAY IN HYDROGEN DEVELOPMENT
ACROSS THE GLOBE. HOWEVER, AS
WE'RE HAVING THIS MARKET GROW,
WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A COUPLE
OF THINGS IN CONSIDERATION AS WE
DEVELOP. AS YOU SAID, NEW
LEGISLATION COMING IN THIS NEXT
YEAR. SO I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER
THREE CONSIDERATIONS AS WE LOOK
TO DRAFT LEGISLATION THAT WILL
HELP THE MARKET GROW. FIRST, TO
KEEP COSTS LOW, WE REALLY WOULD
LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT HYDROGEN
POLICY SHOULD PRESERVE AND
STRENGTHEN COMPETITIVE MARKETS.
THAT'S REALLY CRUCIAL FOR LOW
COSTS. SECOND, TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE HAVE RELIABILITY AND DIVERSE
RESOURCES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT INCENTIVES SHOULD BE
TECHNOLOGY AGNOSTIC WITH
ELIGIBILITY TIED TO CARBON
INTENSITY METRICS. AND THEN
FINALLY, WE FIND THAT HYDROGEN
MARKET RULES SHOULD ALIGN WITH
WELL-ESTABLISHED POLICY AT THE
STATE. AND FEDERAL LEVEL. SO
THAT INCLUDES THE CARB SCOPING
PLAN. ALSO, THE FEDERAL IRA, TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE GROWTH OF
THIS NASCENT MARKET IS INSTALLED
WITH CONFLICTING POLICIES AND
RULES. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
YOUR TIME, AND THANK YOU FOR
HAVING THIS INFORMATIONAL
SESSION. WE THINK THESE ARE
REALLY IMPORTANT AND WE
APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO
STAKEHOLDERS LIKE IEP. THANK YOU.
HELLO. THANK YOU. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER STEVE BENNETT FOR
CONVENING THIS SELECT HEARING.
AND, IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK UP
HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE CONCERNS
THAT WE'VE HAD, I THINK IT'S
PRETTY WELL KNOWN AT THIS POINT
THAT EJ COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE
STATE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS
ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR DIRTY
HYDROGEN PRODUCTION AND OTHER
FORMS OF HYDROGEN PRODUCTION,
AND I THINK WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT
RENEWABLE HYDROGEN SOURCES FROM
BIOMASS, OTHER SOURCES, AND A
LOT OF REQUESTS FOR STREAMLINING
AND PERMITTING. AND I JUST WANT
TO SAY, YOU KNOW, TODAY WE WERE
WE HAD OUR CONGRESO WHERE WE
WERE ABLE TO TALK TO, MEMBERS
FROM ACROSS THE LEGISLATURE. WE
BROUGHT MEMBERS FROM ACROSS THE
STATE, ALMOST 200 OF THEM, TO
REALLY TALK ABOUT THE CONCERNS
WE HAVE WITH EXISTING VEHICLES
THAT INCLUDE STREAMLINING. AND I
THINK SPECIFICALLY WITH ARCHES,
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF
PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN
COMMUNITIES LIKE THE CENTRAL
VALLEY. OAKLAND, LONG BEACH,
ACROSS THAT WE REALLY HAVE NO
INFORMATION ABOUT. AND WE'VE
BEEN TRYING TO ENGAGE TO GET
MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, THE
POTENTIAL CUMULATIVE, CUMULATIVE
IMPACTS OF THESE PROJECTS, WHERE
THEY'RE GOING TO BE SITED, WHAT
THE METRICS ARE GOING TO BE FOR
STORAGE, DELIVERY, ALL OF THAT
JAZZ. AND I THINK HAVING
STREAMLINING WITHOUT HAVING THAT
TRANSPARENCY IS REALLY
CONCERNING. I THINK ONE OF THE
THINGS WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO
AFFIRM IS THAT, ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE COMMUNITIES AND
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVEN'T HAD A
HISTORY OF DECISION MAKING
ACTUALLY BE BROUGHT INTO THE
PROCESS. ESPECIALLY INSOFAR AS
YOU KNOW HOW THESE ARE GOING TO
IMPACT THEM. AND I THINK ONE OF
THE THINGS I ALSO WANTED TO
REITERATE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I
THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT THAT
WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
REDUCING GHG EMISSIONS, YOU
KNOW, THROUGH THE HYDROGEN
SECTOR. BUT I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO BE REALLY COGNIZANT
THAT SOME OF THESE SOLUTIONS MAY
ALSO INCREASE CRITERIA. AIR
POLLUTANTS. THAT'S THE SOURCE.
FOR EXAMPLE, WITH HYDROGEN
BURNING AND POWER PLANTS OR
BURNING IN TURBINES, YOU COULD
POTENTIALLY INCREASE NITROGEN
OXIDES OR NOX EMISSIONS. AND SO
MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME
WAYS TO MITIGATE OR COMBAT THAT
OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME RESEARCH
ON WHAT POTENTIAL IMPACTS THESE
COULD HAVE. GREAT THANK YOU, I
JUST WANT TO MENTION, YOU KNOW,
WE'VE HAD ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
REPRESENTATIVES ON ALL OF OUR
PANELS EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE
TODAY. WE DID HAVE STICKS HERE,
AND, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING THE
WATCH PROJECT THAT IS GOING ON.
BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY CONTINUE
TO ENGAGE THE ENVIRONMENTAL
COMMUNITY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE COMMUNITY, WHAT WHAT ONE
OF OUR INTENTIONS WAS IS LET'S
GET THE SUGGESTIONS OUT THERE
BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO
EVALUATE THE SUGGESTIONS UNTIL
YOU'VE ACTUALLY HEARD WHAT THEY
ARE. BUT WE WILL THEN THESE
SUGGESTIONS WILL GO OUT THERE
AND WE WILL ASK FOR PEOPLE'S
INPUT. AND CERTAINLY, WITH THE
SAME OUTREACH TO THE
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND THE
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY WE'VE
DONE IN THE PAST. SO THANKS FOR
BEING HERE TODAY. REALLY
APPRECIATE IT. AND YOU'LL
CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE
CONVERSATION. YEAH, WE
APPRECIATE THAT. SO MEMBER
BENNETT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
GOOD GOOD EVENING, CHAIR
BENNETT, AND STAFF, THANK YOU
FOR THE CHANCE TO COMMENT.
JEANNIE WARD WALLER, ON BEHALF
OF THE LEADERSHIP COUNCIL FOR
JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY, I
WANT TO ECHO MY COLLEAGUE FROM
APAN AND SAY, IN EXPRESSING SOME
CONCERNS FROM ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE COMMUNITIES,
PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT
TO BE CAUTIOUS TO NOT OVERSTATE
THE BENEFIT TO HYDROGEN, IN THE
FUTURE AND NOT USE HYDROGEN
WHERE WE CAN OTHERWISE USE
ELECTRICITY GOING FORWARD, WE
ALSO WANT TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS
ABOUT TRUNCATING ENVIRONMENTAL
REVIEW AND COMMUNITY INPUT TO
PROJECTS AS THEY'RE BEING
DEVELOPED, AND FINALLY, FOR
LEADERSHIP COUNCIL, A LOT OF THE
COMMUNITIES WE WORK WITH ARE IN
THE CENTRAL VALLEY, AND WE HAVE
SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL TO SITE A LOT OF THESE
FACILITIES IN THE CENTRAL
VALLEY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS
HAPPENING UPFRONT WITH ARCHES ON
THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF
THOSE FACILITIES. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING WITH
YOU IN THE FUTURE. HI GOOD
AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ANDREA
LEÓN GROSSMAN. I'M A BOARD
MEMBER WITH ENVIRONMENTAL
JUSTICE COALITION FOR WATER. I'M
ALSO A MEXICAN BORN IMMIGRANT.
AND THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HERE, AS YOU
MAY KNOW, WE HAVE IN CALIFORNIA
THE HUMAN RIGHT TO WATER,
MEANING THAT EVERY, EVERY
CALIFORNIAN SHOULD HAVE A SAFE,
AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE WATER.
BUT EVEN DESPITE HAVING THAT,
SINCE 2012, WE HAVE 1 MILLION
CALIFORNIANS WITHOUT ACCESS TO
WATER. SO I THINK THE RIGHT
THING TO DO IS TO PROVIDE THOSE
CALIFORNIANS WITH WATER BEFORE
WE GIVE A SINGLE DROP TO THE
INDUSTRY, I AM I KNOW MANY
PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE WATER EVEN
LIKE IN CITIES LIKE MAYWOOD,
THEY OPEN THE TAP AND YOU HAVE
BROWN STUFF COMING OUT OF THE
TAP. THEN THE OTHER THING IS,
JUST LIKE MY THE PREVIOUS TWO
SPEAKERS SAID, IF WE NEED TO
LOOK AT REALLY THE HARD TO
ELECTRIFY SECTORS RIGHT NOW, I
KNOW THAT WE HAVE STEELMAKING
THAT IS NOW BEING ELECTRIFIED.
WE KNOW WE HAVE CRUISE SHIPS
THAT ARE ELECTRIFIED. WE EVEN
HAVE TEN DIFFERENT AIRPLANES
THAT ARE ELECTRIC. SO WHAT ARE
REALLY THE USES FOR HYDROGEN AND
WHEN WE HAVE THAT HYDROGEN IT
NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WITH GREEN
HYDROGEN. AND WE REALLY NEED TO
BRING IN, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
COMMUNITIES AND BY THE WAY, I
WAS PART OF THE LA 100 STUDY AND
WE WERE, VERY, VERY MANY OF US
WHO WERE AGAINST HAVING
HYDROGEN, ESPECIALLY IN
SCATTERGOOD, IF WE HAVE AN
EXPLOSION OR SOMETHING, WE HAVE
CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, WE HAVE
LAX RIGHT NEXT TO IT, AND WE
HAVE THE HYPERION TREATMENT
PLANT. IF SOMETHING GOES SOUTH,
WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? AND
HOW ARE WE GOING TO SURVIVE? SO
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
LOOK AT ALL THE FACES. THANK
YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND
WITH THAT, WE WILL BE BRINGING
THIS, THIS HEARING TO AN END,
BUT WE WILL BE TRYING TO STAY IN
TOUCH WITH EVERYBODY. AND PLEASE
FEEL FREE TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH
US AND SEND US YOUR SUGGESTIONS
AND IDEAS ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEST
WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IN HYDROGEN,
REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR
STAKEHOLDER POSITION IS ON THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MEETING'S
ADJOURNED. SESSION IS CLOSED.
THE LEGISLATURE HAS ADJOURNED.