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ALL

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RIGHT. BUT I'M GOING TO GO

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AHEAD AND AND GET STARTED. WELL

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GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. AND

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THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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IT'S GREAT TO SEE SO MANY FOLKS

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HERE. AND OF COURSE WE'RE ALSO

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BEING LIVE STREAMED. SO JUST TO

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REMIND ALL THE SPEAKERS AND

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WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO

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MAKE SURE TO SPEAK INTO THE

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MICROPHONE. SO EVERYBODY THAT'S

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WATCHING FROM ELSEWHERE WILL BE

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ABLE TO HEAR YOU. AMBITIOUS

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POLICIES AND BOLD INVESTMENTS

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HAVE COMBINED TO MAKE

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CALIFORNIA A GLOBAL LEADER ON

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ELECTRIC VEHICLES,

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TRANSITIONING FROM CONVENTIONAL

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COMBUSTION VEHICLES TO EVS

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BRINGS BRINGS AN ARRAY OF

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BENEFITS THE ENVIRONMENT AND

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THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND PUBLIC

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HEALTH BENEFITS OF CLEANER AIR

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AND LOWER GREENHOUSE GAS

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EMISSIONS, AND THE MEANINGFUL

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AFFORDABILITY ADVANTAGES OF

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LOWER VEHICLE MAINTENANCE COSTS

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AND REDUCED VULNERABILITY TO

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PETROLEUM FUEL PRICE SHOCKS. AS

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WE ARE CURRENTLY LIVING THROUGH

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BECAUSE OF THE WAR WITH IRAN.

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DESPITE AN UNPRECEDENTED SURGE

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IN GLOBAL EV SALES, THE TRUMP

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ADMINISTRATION HAS REPEATEDLY

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SOUGHT TO LIMIT CALIFORNIA'S

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PROGRESS ON EVS. THE

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ADMINISTRATION HAS ELIMINATED

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THE FEDERAL EV TAX CREDIT AND

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UNLAWFULLY REVOKED THREE OF

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CALIFORNIA'S WAIVERS TO SET OUR

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OWN VEHICLE POLLUTION STANDARDS.

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WITH CALIFORNIA'S LONGSTANDING

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AUTHORITY TO REGULATE VEHICLE

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EMISSIONS BEING LITIGATED,

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FEDERAL ACTIONS HAVE ADDED A

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LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY TO

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CALIFORNIA'S EV DEPLOYMENT

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OUTLOOK. THIS IS THE CONTEXT OF

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THIS DISCUSSION, BUT THE FOCUS

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OF THE HEARING IS WHAT HAS

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HAPPENED SINCE THAT AND WHAT

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SHOULD COME NEXT. WHAT ACTIONS

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HAS CALIFORNIA TAKEN AND WHICH

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ACTIONS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED

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GOING FORWARD TO SUPPORT AND

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ACCELERATE EV DEPLOYMENT? I

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WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY SENATE

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COLLEAGUE, HENRY STERN, FOR

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JOINING US HERE TODAY, AND

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WE'RE EXPECTING TO SHOW UP A

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LITTLE BIT LATER. AND, HENRY,

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IS IT TOO EARLY TO ASK YOU TO

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MAKE SOME COMMENTS? YEAH, I'M

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HAPPY TO MAKE A LITTLE OPENING.

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. LET ME

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JUST START BY THANKING OUR

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CHAIR AND NOT JUST FOR TODAY'S

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HEARING, BUT FOR HER YEARS OF

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LEADERSHIP ON THIS COMMITTEE. I

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WE'RE WE'RE GETTING TOWARD

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EVERYTHING CHANGES. AND IT MUST

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UNFORTUNATELY CHANGE HERE. BUT

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I THINK YOUR LEGACY AND YOUR

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STAFF ESPECIALLY. I JUST WANT

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TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU

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AND SAM AND BRETT AND THE REST

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OF YOUR TEAM FOR TURNING THIS

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COMMITTEE NOT JUST INTO AN

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OVERSIGHT BODY, BUT INTO A

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POLICY GENERATOR THAT IS

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ACTUALLY CHANGED THE STATE FOR

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THE BETTER. AND IT'S NOT JUST

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IN THE HIGH LEVEL CHANGES WE'VE

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MADE ON CLIMATE CHANGE, BUT

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REALLY IN THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF

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OUR PROGRAMS. AND HERE ON

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MOBILE SOURCES. I THINK IT'S AN

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UNDERAPPRECIATED PART OF

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LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP AND

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ACCOUNTABILITY TO REALLY TO

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PROGRESS WITH OUR PROGRAMS. WE

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NEED TO BE TOUGH ON OUR

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PROGRAMS AND THE SCRUTINY THAT

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YOU AND OTHERS, BOTH THROUGH

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LEGISLATION AND THROUGH THIS

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COMMITTEE WORK, HAVE APPLIED, I

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THINK HAVE MADE OUR PROGRAMS

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MORE ROBUST AND HEALTHIER. AND

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AND DESPITE ALL THE BUMPS AND

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BRUISES THAT WE'RE GOING TO

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TAKE ALONG THE WAY, AND THE

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HEADWINDS, AS YOU MENTIONED,

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FROM THE FEDERAL FRONT, LEGAL

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CHALLENGES, TECHNOLOGY ISSUES

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THAT MAY OCCUR DURING ROLLOUTS

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ON THE WHOLE, THE MATURITY AND

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THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING IN

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THIS INDUSTRY DESPITE POLITICAL

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HEADWINDS, PERHAPS AND MAYBE

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SOME LEGAL CHALLENGE. THE

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MARKET IS HAPPENING AND THERE'S

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NO STOPPING IT. IT'S HERE. AND

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SO I THINK THAT'S A TESTAMENT

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TO YOUR VISION AND TO OUR OUR

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FELLOW CHAIR, WHICH I BELIEVE

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ARE WE A JOINT HEARING OF YOUR

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SELECT COMMITTEE AS WELL?

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ASSEMBLY MEMBER. SHABO. YES, SO

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THIS IS DULY CHAIRED. AND SO MY

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COLLEAGUE FROM SAN FERNANDO

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VALLEY IS JUST JOINING US HERE

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AS WELL. BUT I WILL JUST TELL

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YOU, IN THE VALLEY WHERE, YOU

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KNOW, I GOT A THREE YEAR OLD

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WHO HAS TO BREATHE EVERY DAY,

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LIKE MOST THREE YEAR OLDS MUST.

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IT IS IT IS BRUTAL BEING OFF

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THE FIVE AND THE 405 AND EATING

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DIESEL POLLUTION ON A DAILY

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BASIS. WHEN I PICK MY DAUGHTER

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UP FROM SCHOOL AND YOU HAVE TO

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GO THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT AND

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YOU JUST. IT'S JUST TRUCKS ALL

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DAY LONG. AND AS SOON AS I

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START SEEING THOSE CLEANER ONES

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COMING ALONG AND YOU SEE THOSE

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EVS PENETRATING THE MARKET AND

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IT JUST IT'S VISCERAL. I KNOW

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YOU BOTH APPRECIATE THIS AS

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PARENTS AND HIS MOTHERS, BUT I,

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I THINK THE PROGRESS WE MADE ON

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CLEAN AIR HERE IS JUST A

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PRELUDE OF A MUCH DIFFERENT

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FUTURE WHERE IT'S JUST, IT'S,

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IT'S GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO

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SAVE A LOT OF LIVES AND SAVE A

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LOT OF MONEY AT THE SAME TIME.

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SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR WORK

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HERE, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL KEEP

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IT GOING IN YOUR STEAD. AND

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I'LL DEFER OVER TO MY ASSEMBLY

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COLLEAGUE. ALL RIGHT. ASSEMBLY

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MEMBER. PERFECT TIMING. THANK

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YOU, THANK YOU. YOU STUCK IN

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TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE VALLEY.

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SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANT TO

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THANK THE CHAIR FOR CONVENING

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THIS MEETING AND THIS IMPORTANT

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DISCUSSION. AS THE CHAIR OF

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ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND

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INFRASTRUCTURE SELECT COMMITTEE

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IN THE ASSEMBLY, THIS IS AN

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IMPORTANT ISSUE TO MY HEART,

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AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR

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ASSEMBLY MEMBER IRWIN'S

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LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE. SHE

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HAS BEEN A STRONG VOICE IN

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SACRAMENTO AND REALLY PUSHING

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US TO MAKE SURE NOT ONLY THAT,

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WE'RE MAKING OUR GOALS WHEN IT

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COMES TO EVS, BUT ALSO THAT

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WE'RE DOING IT IN A WAY THAT

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MAKES SENSE AND AND ALLOWS FOR

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THIS. THE POLICIES THAT WE PUT

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FORWARD TO BE SUCCESSFUL,

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BECAUSE I THINK THE BEST POLICY

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MAKING IS POLICY MAKING, WHERE,

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YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE PIECES ARE

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THERE FOR COMPLIANCE TO HAPPEN.

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AND WE HAVE SHARED STORIES OF

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BEING EARLY ADOPTERS OF EVS AND

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THE CHALLENGES AROUND CHARGING.

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AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE REASON

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I STARTED THE SELECT COMMITTEE,

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BECAUSE AS A MOM, I WAS DRIVING

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FROM LA TO SACRAMENTO FOR

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THANKSGIVING TO MY BROTHER'S

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HOUSE, AND I HAD TO STOP FOUR

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TIMES TO CHARGE. IT TOOK FOUR

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EXTRA HOURS. AND AT THE END OF

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THE NIGHT, MY KID WAS CRYING IN

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A MALL PARKING LOT SAYING, I

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TOLD YOU WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN

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THE TRAIN. SO WE DON'T WANT

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PEOPLE TO BE HAVING THAT

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EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY GO ON A

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FAMILY HOLIDAY. AND I'M

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INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL FOR OR OH

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MY GOODNESS, WHAT DID I JUST

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SAY? ASSEMBLY MEMBER IRWIN'S

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LEADERSHIP TO HELP US GET TO

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THE PLACE WHERE WE NEED TO BE

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SO THAT ADOPTION CAN HAPPEN

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MORE BROADLY AND MORE

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AFFORDABLY. YOU KNOW, HERE IN

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LA, I'VE HEARD FROM SO MANY

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PEOPLE WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT

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THE STORIES OF WHEN YOU

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COULDN'T SEE THE MOUNTAINS FROM,

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YOU KNOW, THE VALLEY OR THE LA

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BASIN OR DOWNTOWN. AND, YOU

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KNOW, I'VE EXPERIENCED THAT

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MYSELF. ONE OF MY EARLY

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INTERNSHIPS BACK IN 1999, I

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THINK, WAS HERE IN LA, AND I

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WAS STUCK IN STOP AND GO

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TRAFFIC, AND THE EXHAUST FROM

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THE TRAFFIC MADE ME SICK. I HAD

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TO PULL OVER AND I ACTUALLY GOT

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SICK. THAT'S HOW BAD IT WAS.

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AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

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THIS, IT'S NOT JUST KIND OF TO

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MAKE US FEEL GOOD ABOUT GOING

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ELECTRIC, BUT IT'S TRULY ABOUT

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PEOPLE'S HEALTH AND SAFETY AND

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PROTECTING THE HEALTH AND

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SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITIES. SO,

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YOU KNOW, THIS WORK IS CRITICAL.

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IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE MAKE OUR

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GOALS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW,

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TODAY WE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME

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IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT

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IS THE MARKET THERE YET? YOU

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KNOW, AND THE AND THE FEDERAL

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PULLBACK IS REALLY MAKING THAT

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DIFFICULT. NOT ONLY IS IT

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DIFFICULT ON JUST ENCOURAGING

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ADOPTION, BUT IT'S ALSO AN

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INDICATOR TO THE MARKET THAT

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YOU DON'T NEED TO STEP UP AND

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CREATE WHAT'S NEEDED IN THIS

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SPACE. AND THAT'S INCREDIBLY

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PROBLEMATIC FOR US TO BE ABLE

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TO MAKE OUR GOALS. AND SO I

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HAVE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE

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SOME REAL CHALLENGES AHEAD OF

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US IN CALIFORNIA, WANTS TO

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CONTINUE TO LEAD, AND WE HAVE

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TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO

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DO THAT REALISTICALLY AND

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AFFORDABLY AND, YOU KNOW, AND

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MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE ARE ABLE

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TO GET TO THOSE GOALS AND, AND

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KEEP OUR AIR CLEAN AND

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COMMUNITIES SAFE WHILE WE'RE

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DOING IT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH

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AGAIN FOR CONVENING THIS TODAY.

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WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU, SENATOR

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STERN AND ASSEMBLY MEMBER SHAW,

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YOU HAVE DONE EXCELLENT WORK IN

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IN THIS AREA, AND I KNOW IT

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WILL CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE

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AND APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US

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HERE TODAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO

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WELCOME OUR FIRST PANEL, WHICH

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INCLUDES REPRESENTATIVES FROM

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TWO STATE AGENCIES, CALIFORNIA

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AIR RESOURCES BOARD, KNOWN AS

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CARB, AND THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY

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COMMISSION, OR THE CEC.

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CHRISTOPHER GRUNDLER IS THE

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DEPUTY EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF

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MOBILE SERVICE SOURCES AND

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INCENTIVES AT CARB. AND NANCY

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SKINNER, WHO IS JOINING

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REMOTELY, IS THE LEAD

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COMMISSIONER FOR CLEAN

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TRANSPORTATION AT THE CEC.

00:43:02.179 --> 00:43:03.881
SPENCER REEDER, WHO IS HERE IN

00:43:03.948 --> 00:43:05.616
PERSON, IS CCS DIVISION

00:43:05.683 --> 00:43:07.818
DIRECTOR FOR FUELS AND

00:43:07.885 --> 00:43:13.590
TRANSPORTATION. SO WE ARE

00:43:13.657 --> 00:43:17.294
STARTING WITH CHRIS. OKAY. AND

00:43:17.361 --> 00:43:19.330
WE WILL START STARTING WITH MR.

00:43:19.396 --> 00:43:21.632
GRUNDLER. GOOD MORNING. THANK

00:43:21.699 --> 00:43:24.401
YOU, CHAIRMAN AND ASSEMBLY

00:43:24.468 --> 00:43:25.769
MEMBERS AND SENATORS. VERY

00:43:25.836 --> 00:43:28.739
HAPPY TO BE HERE. I'M

00:43:28.806 --> 00:43:30.507
RESPONSIBLE FOR DIRECTING ALL

00:43:30.574 --> 00:43:31.809
THE MOBILE SOURCE REGULATIONS

00:43:31.875 --> 00:43:33.210
AND INCENTIVE PROGRAM SPENDING

00:43:33.277 --> 00:43:35.312
AND INVESTMENTS AT THE AGENCY.

00:43:35.379 --> 00:43:37.715
AND I'M HERE TO EMPHATICALLY

00:43:37.781 --> 00:43:39.183
REAFFIRM THE AGENCY'S

00:43:39.249 --> 00:43:40.617
COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE TO LEAD

00:43:40.684 --> 00:43:42.119
AS A STATE IN THESE AREAS AND

00:43:42.186 --> 00:43:44.188
TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH OF

00:43:44.254 --> 00:43:47.057
BREATHERS IN OUR STATE. I'M

00:43:47.124 --> 00:43:48.859
RELATIVELY NEW TO THE AGENCY. I

00:43:48.926 --> 00:43:51.161
LEFT RETIREMENT TO DO THIS JOB.

00:43:51.228 --> 00:43:54.598
I MOVED TO TO THIS STATE FROM A

00:43:54.665 --> 00:43:56.433
NICE RETIREMENT. AND I CAN

00:43:56.500 --> 00:43:58.202
PROMISE YOU I DID NOT DISRUPT

00:43:58.268 --> 00:44:01.071
MY LIFE TO LEAD A STRATEGIC

00:44:01.138 --> 00:44:02.539
RETREAT. WE ARE NOT BACKING

00:44:02.606 --> 00:44:04.775
DOWN. WE ARE DRIVING FORWARD. I

00:44:04.842 --> 00:44:06.844
DON'T LIKE TO USE THE WORD

00:44:06.910 --> 00:44:08.045
FEDERAL HEADWINDS. WHAT I TELL

00:44:08.112 --> 00:44:09.947
MY TEAM EVERY DAY, WE'RE IN THE

00:44:10.014 --> 00:44:11.915
TAILWINDS MAKING BUSINESS. AND

00:44:11.982 --> 00:44:15.786
SO WE HAVE A BIG JOB, BUT A

00:44:15.853 --> 00:44:17.321
VERY IMPORTANT JOB AND A

00:44:17.388 --> 00:44:22.326
RIGHTEOUS JOB TO TO COMPLETE.

00:44:22.393 --> 00:44:24.895
BEFORE I MAKE MY IN MY FORMAL

00:44:24.962 --> 00:44:25.963
PRESENTATION, I DO WANT TO

00:44:26.030 --> 00:44:27.398
SPEND JUST A FEW MINUTES

00:44:27.464 --> 00:44:29.867
COMMENTING ON REPORTING IN THE

00:44:29.933 --> 00:44:33.871
LOS ANGELES TIMES RECENTLY.

00:44:33.937 --> 00:44:36.040
THAT WAS INCREDIBLY

00:44:36.106 --> 00:44:37.841
DISAPPOINTING TO ME AND MY TEAM

00:44:37.908 --> 00:44:40.711
AND, AND OUR LEADERSHIP,

00:44:40.778 --> 00:44:42.880
PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE SPENT

00:44:42.946 --> 00:44:44.415
MANY HOURS AND MEETINGS WITH

00:44:44.481 --> 00:44:46.417
THE REPORTERS OVER EIGHT MONTHS

00:44:46.483 --> 00:44:48.619
TO PROPERLY INFORM, TO SHARE

00:44:48.685 --> 00:44:50.621
THE INFORMATION, THE EVOLUTION

00:44:50.687 --> 00:44:52.623
OF OUR HEAVY DUTY TRUCK

00:44:52.689 --> 00:44:54.391
INCENTIVE PROGRAMS WITH THE

00:44:54.458 --> 00:44:55.893
REPORTER DID OUR BEST TO SHARE

00:44:55.959 --> 00:44:57.961
AS MUCH INFORMATION AS AS WE

00:44:58.028 --> 00:45:01.298
COULD, AND HOW THE PROGRAM HAS

00:45:01.365 --> 00:45:02.666
EVOLVED AND ADAPTED OVER THE

00:45:02.733 --> 00:45:05.936
YEARS, AND THE REPORTER CHOSE

00:45:06.003 --> 00:45:08.772
TO IGNORE ALL THAT AND AND

00:45:08.839 --> 00:45:11.308
WRITE A STORY THAT FOCUSED ON A

00:45:11.375 --> 00:45:14.578
VERY SMALL SUBSET OF FIRMS AND

00:45:14.645 --> 00:45:17.448
VEHICLES WHERE THERE WAS

00:45:17.514 --> 00:45:19.917
ALLEGED WRONGDOING AND FRAUD,

00:45:19.983 --> 00:45:22.086
BUT REMARKABLY FAILED TO

00:45:22.152 --> 00:45:26.090
DISCLOSE TO THEIR READERS THAT

00:45:26.156 --> 00:45:28.926
IT WAS THE CARB TEAM THAT

00:45:28.992 --> 00:45:31.829
UNCOVERED THE ALLEGED

00:45:31.895 --> 00:45:34.364
WRONGDOING. THROUGH OUR VERY

00:45:34.431 --> 00:45:36.867
MULTI-LAYERED, REDUNDANT

00:45:36.934 --> 00:45:38.268
GUARDRAIL AND CHECKS AND

00:45:38.335 --> 00:45:40.838
BALANCES THAT THAT WE HAVE IN

00:45:40.904 --> 00:45:45.642
PLACE AND IGNORED THE FACT THAT

00:45:45.709 --> 00:45:46.944
THAT THIS PROGRAM, WITH THE

00:45:47.010 --> 00:45:49.146
GENEROSITY OF THE LEGISLATURE,

00:45:49.213 --> 00:45:52.382
HAS PUT OVER 16,000 CLEAN

00:45:52.449 --> 00:45:53.817
TRUCKS ON THE ROADS IN

00:45:53.884 --> 00:45:57.020
CALIFORNIA, MOST OF THEM

00:45:57.087 --> 00:45:59.957
ELECTRIC VEHICLES, AND THEY'VE

00:46:00.023 --> 00:46:02.793
DRIVEN OVER 340 MILLION MILES,

00:46:02.860 --> 00:46:03.494
PARTICULARLY IN PRIORITY

00:46:03.560 --> 00:46:04.962
COMMUNITIES, DEVELOPING,

00:46:05.028 --> 00:46:07.464
DEVELOPING, DELIVERING THOSE

00:46:07.531 --> 00:46:09.933
CLEAN AIR BENEFITS. SO I THINK

00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:11.802
THE STORY DID AN INCREDIBLE

00:46:11.869 --> 00:46:16.440
DISSERVICE TO THE TIMES READERS.

00:46:16.507 --> 00:46:18.575
IT ALSO FOCUSED ON THE FEW

00:46:18.642 --> 00:46:20.410
COMPANIES THAT HAVE GONE

00:46:20.477 --> 00:46:21.612
BANKRUPT THROUGH THIS PROCESS

00:46:21.678 --> 00:46:23.313
AND CRITICIZED CARB FOR

00:46:23.380 --> 00:46:25.816
SUPPORTING THOSE FIRMS, BUT THE

00:46:25.883 --> 00:46:27.618
WHOLE PROGRAM INITIALLY WAS

00:46:27.684 --> 00:46:29.086
DESIGNED TO BE A MARKET

00:46:29.153 --> 00:46:30.854
TRANSFORMATION PROGRAM TO A

00:46:30.921 --> 00:46:33.056
SUPPORT THE INNOVATION ECONOMY

00:46:33.123 --> 00:46:35.292
TO SUPPORT THOSE FIRMS, YOU

00:46:35.359 --> 00:46:37.294
KNOW, TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE

00:46:37.361 --> 00:46:41.632
PROVERBIAL VALLEY OF DEATH. AND

00:46:41.698 --> 00:46:43.000
SADLY, SOME OF THOSE FIRMS

00:46:43.066 --> 00:46:45.235
DIDN'T MAKE IT. THAT HAPPENS IN,

00:46:45.302 --> 00:46:49.606
IN, IN OUR MARKET ECONOMY. BUT

00:46:49.673 --> 00:46:52.376
AGAIN, THE 93% AND THE REPORTER

00:46:52.442 --> 00:46:54.978
KNEW THIS 93% OF THE VEHICLES

00:46:55.045 --> 00:46:56.413
THAT THE LEGISLATURE AND THEIR

00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:58.215
GENEROSITY HAS, HAS FUNDED TO

00:46:58.282 --> 00:47:00.717
SUPPORT ARE BEING PRODUCED BY

00:47:00.784 --> 00:47:02.920
FIRMS THAT ARE HEALTHY

00:47:02.986 --> 00:47:04.354
BUSINESSES TODAY AND ARE

00:47:04.421 --> 00:47:06.490
DRIVING THOSE, THOSE MILES. SO,

00:47:06.557 --> 00:47:08.659
YOU KNOW, I'M NEW TO THE STATE.

00:47:08.725 --> 00:47:11.128
I EXPECTED BETTER FROM THE LA

00:47:11.195 --> 00:47:12.229
TIMES WITH THEIR THEIR RICH

00:47:12.296 --> 00:47:13.730
HISTORY OF RECORDING. SO IT'S,

00:47:13.797 --> 00:47:16.133
IT'S, IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING.

00:47:16.200 --> 00:47:19.469
SO WE, WE TOOK THE TIME TO POST

00:47:19.536 --> 00:47:21.238
A DETAILED RESPONSE ON OUR

00:47:21.305 --> 00:47:22.739
WEBSITE WOULD COMMEND YOU TO,

00:47:22.806 --> 00:47:24.675
TO LOOK AT THAT. AND WE ALSO

00:47:24.741 --> 00:47:25.776
PLAN TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER

00:47:25.842 --> 00:47:27.578
MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE TO

00:47:27.644 --> 00:47:30.113
MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU HAVE

00:47:30.180 --> 00:47:34.184
THE THE FACTS. SO GOT THAT OFF

00:47:34.251 --> 00:47:35.986
MY CHEST, READY TO GO TO THE TO

00:47:36.053 --> 00:47:38.889
THE PRESENTATION. AND I THINK

00:47:38.956 --> 00:47:40.657
IT'S IMPORTANT MY IN CHARGE OF

00:47:40.724 --> 00:47:44.528
THE SLIDES THERE. I THINK IT'S

00:47:44.595 --> 00:47:45.996
IMPORTANT AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL

00:47:46.063 --> 00:47:47.764
TO ALWAYS BEGIN WITH THE

00:47:47.831 --> 00:47:48.932
PROGRESS, JUST AS THE THREE OF

00:47:48.999 --> 00:47:51.034
YOU HAVE DONE, AND IT IS

00:47:51.101 --> 00:47:52.102
REMARKABLE PROGRESS THAT THE

00:47:52.169 --> 00:47:54.238
STATE HAS HAS MADE OVER THE

00:47:54.304 --> 00:47:56.106
OVER THE YEARS. AND IT'S NOT BY

00:47:56.173 --> 00:47:58.942
ACCIDENT. FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS

00:47:59.009 --> 00:48:00.377
BACK IN 1990 WHERE MY

00:48:00.444 --> 00:48:02.546
PREDECESSORS HAD THE VISION TO

00:48:02.613 --> 00:48:04.715
START INTRODUCING REGULATORY

00:48:04.781 --> 00:48:07.217
POLICIES TO REQUIRE ELECTRIC

00:48:07.284 --> 00:48:08.719
VEHICLES FOR SALE IN THE STATE

00:48:08.785 --> 00:48:10.821
OF CALIFORNIA. THIS WAS BEFORE

00:48:10.887 --> 00:48:14.791
AB 32. THIS WAS BEFORE THE UN'S

00:48:14.858 --> 00:48:16.293
INTERNATIONAL PANEL ON CLIMATE

00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:18.395
CHANGE PUT OUT THEIR SEMINAL

00:48:18.462 --> 00:48:20.230
REPORTS. AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY

00:48:20.297 --> 00:48:21.331
UNDERSTOOD THE MATH. AND THE

00:48:21.398 --> 00:48:23.800
MATH IS HARD. AND AND THE MATH

00:48:23.867 --> 00:48:25.569
IS THAT WE CANNOT ACHIEVE OUR

00:48:25.636 --> 00:48:27.371
PUBLIC HEALTH GOALS, OUR CLEAN

00:48:27.437 --> 00:48:28.672
AIR GOALS, OUR AMBIENT AIR

00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:30.274
QUALITY STANDARDS, FEDERALLY

00:48:30.340 --> 00:48:32.809
ENFORCEABLE WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT

00:48:32.876 --> 00:48:34.211
NUMBERS OF ZERO EMISSION

00:48:34.278 --> 00:48:35.679
VEHICLES ON CALIFORNIA ROADS,

00:48:35.746 --> 00:48:38.282
BOTH PASSENGER VEHICLES AND

00:48:38.348 --> 00:48:39.950
LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES. AND YOU

00:48:40.017 --> 00:48:41.918
CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, DECADES

00:48:41.985 --> 00:48:43.987
OF LEADERSHIP IN CALIFORNIA HAS

00:48:44.054 --> 00:48:46.189
PRODUCED REMARKABLE RESULTS ON

00:48:46.256 --> 00:48:48.959
THE PASSENGER DUTY SIDE. IF

00:48:49.026 --> 00:48:51.228
CALIFORNIA WERE A NATION, WE

00:48:51.295 --> 00:48:54.031
WOULD BE THE SIXTH LARGEST ZEV

00:48:54.097 --> 00:48:57.234
MARKET IN THE WORLD. YOU SEE

00:48:57.301 --> 00:48:58.902
THE NUMBER OF OF ZERO EMISSION

00:48:58.969 --> 00:49:01.605
TRUCKS AND BUSSES ON THE ROAD

00:49:01.672 --> 00:49:03.040
ALREADY EXCEEDING THE STATE'S

00:49:03.106 --> 00:49:05.208
CLEAN TRUCK GOALS. WE ARE THE

00:49:05.275 --> 00:49:06.610
NUMBER ONE ZEV MARKET IN THE

00:49:06.677 --> 00:49:09.146
COUNTRY BY FAR. AND AGAIN, THIS

00:49:09.212 --> 00:49:11.315
THIS ECOSYSTEM OF POLICIES THAT

00:49:11.381 --> 00:49:13.116
HAVE BEEN PRODUCED OVER THE

00:49:13.183 --> 00:49:15.485
DECADES BETWEEN THE LEGISLATURE

00:49:15.552 --> 00:49:18.121
AND SUCCESSIVE ADMINISTRATIONS

00:49:18.188 --> 00:49:19.956
HAS PRODUCED THESE RESULTS.

00:49:20.023 --> 00:49:22.059
IT'S NO ACCIDENT. YOU HAVE TO

00:49:22.125 --> 00:49:23.527
HAVE. OUR LESSON HERE IS YOU

00:49:23.593 --> 00:49:26.830
HAVE TO HAVE THIS ECOSYSTEM OF

00:49:26.897 --> 00:49:28.265
COMPLEMENTARY AND COORDINATED

00:49:28.332 --> 00:49:30.534
POLICIES ACROSS THE STATE, FROM

00:49:30.600 --> 00:49:32.569
THE ENERGY COMMISSION TO THE

00:49:32.636 --> 00:49:37.374
ARB TO OTHERS. THIS IS PRODUCED

00:49:37.441 --> 00:49:40.444
THIS REMARKABLE RESULT. AND SO

00:49:40.510 --> 00:49:41.712
WHAT I WANT TO LEAVE YOU HERE

00:49:41.778 --> 00:49:43.447
WITH TODAY IS THAT THAT

00:49:43.513 --> 00:49:44.848
ECOSYSTEM OF COMPLEMENTARY

00:49:44.915 --> 00:49:46.216
POLICIES, BOTH CURRENT AND

00:49:46.283 --> 00:49:49.186
FUTURE, NEEDS TO CONTINUE. YOU

00:49:49.252 --> 00:49:50.921
CAN'T DO SIMPLY REGULATIONS

00:49:50.987 --> 00:49:52.356
ALONE. YOU CAN'T DO SPENDING

00:49:52.422 --> 00:49:54.024
ALONE. YOU CAN'T HAVE THESE

00:49:54.091 --> 00:49:55.559
OTHER COMPLEMENTARY

00:49:55.625 --> 00:49:57.060
INFRASTRUCTURE POLICIES ALONE.

00:49:57.127 --> 00:49:58.929
THEY HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. AND

00:49:58.995 --> 00:50:00.931
WE CAN AND IT SHOWS WHAT CAN BE

00:50:00.997 --> 00:50:02.165
DONE. AND WE SHOWED THE WORLD

00:50:02.232 --> 00:50:05.702
THAT THIS IS HOW. APPROPRIATE

00:50:05.769 --> 00:50:07.437
GOVERNANCE WORKS. SO WE'RE VERY

00:50:07.504 --> 00:50:09.272
PROUD OF THIS, THIS, THIS

00:50:09.339 --> 00:50:11.475
POLICY. AND AS AS THE

00:50:11.541 --> 00:50:12.309
ASSEMBLYWOMAN POINTED OUT, YOU

00:50:12.376 --> 00:50:14.010
CAN SEE THE MOUNTAINS NOW IN

00:50:14.077 --> 00:50:15.145
CALIFORNIA, I WORK WITH A LOT

00:50:15.212 --> 00:50:16.947
OF COLLEAGUES WHO TELL ME

00:50:17.013 --> 00:50:18.615
GROWING UP THAT WAS NOT WAS NOT

00:50:18.682 --> 00:50:25.122
THE CASE. SO THREE THINGS FOR

00:50:25.188 --> 00:50:28.358
PROGRESS. POLITICAL WILL,

00:50:28.425 --> 00:50:29.826
CONTINUOUS AND CONSISTENT

00:50:29.893 --> 00:50:32.462
FUNDING. AND THE POLICY. THAT'S

00:50:32.529 --> 00:50:33.797
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO

00:50:33.864 --> 00:50:35.198
MAINTAIN THE KIND OF PROGRESS

00:50:35.265 --> 00:50:36.867
FOR CLEAN AIR, FOR BREATHERS,

00:50:36.933 --> 00:50:37.901
AND TO DEVELOP THIS MARKET,

00:50:37.968 --> 00:50:39.536
WHICH ALSO, INCIDENTALLY, HAS

00:50:39.603 --> 00:50:41.705
PRODUCED SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC

00:50:41.772 --> 00:50:44.207
BENEFITS FOR THE STATE. 52 ZEV

00:50:44.274 --> 00:50:48.545
MANUFACTURERS LOCATED HERE.

00:50:48.612 --> 00:50:50.647
SADLY, THIS PROGRESS IS BEING

00:50:50.714 --> 00:50:52.082
THREATENED RIGHT NOW BY THE

00:50:52.149 --> 00:50:55.352
FEDERAL ASSAULT ON OUR RIGHT TO

00:50:55.419 --> 00:50:58.221
PROTECT CALIFORNIA BREATHERS.

00:50:58.288 --> 00:51:00.257
AND I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON ON

00:51:00.323 --> 00:51:01.491
ALL THESE NUMBERS. BUT AS YOU

00:51:01.558 --> 00:51:05.095
CAN SEE, THE CONSEQUENCES OF

00:51:05.162 --> 00:51:07.230
THE THREE ILLEGAL ACTIONS BY BY

00:51:07.297 --> 00:51:09.733
THE CONGRESS IS HAS THE

00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.235
POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE REAL HARM,

00:51:12.302 --> 00:51:14.070
ECONOMIC HARM AND HEALTH HARM

00:51:14.137 --> 00:51:19.109
IN OUR STATE. THIS IS JUST FROM

00:51:19.176 --> 00:51:20.577
THE THREE ACTIONS THAT THE

00:51:20.644 --> 00:51:22.779
CONGRESS HAS HAS TAKEN. AND I

00:51:22.846 --> 00:51:24.481
CAN TELL YOU I EXPECT IT TO GET

00:51:24.548 --> 00:51:26.316
WORSE. CONGRESS IS NOW

00:51:26.383 --> 00:51:29.186
CONSIDERING OTHER RESOLUTIONS

00:51:29.252 --> 00:51:32.422
AS WE SPEAK, TO ELIMINATE OTHER

00:51:32.489 --> 00:51:34.591
RULES THAT CALIFORNIA HAS HAS

00:51:34.658 --> 00:51:38.161
ADOPTED. THE FEDERAL EPA IS IS

00:51:38.228 --> 00:51:39.596
WORKING VERY HARD TO ROLL BACK

00:51:39.663 --> 00:51:41.097
OTHER FEDERAL PROTECTIONS,

00:51:41.164 --> 00:51:42.299
WHICH WILL INCREASE EMISSIONS

00:51:42.365 --> 00:51:44.434
IN CALIFORNIA AND AND ACROSS

00:51:44.501 --> 00:51:49.372
THE COUNTRY. AND I WANT YOU TO

00:51:49.439 --> 00:51:52.309
APPRECIATE THE IRONY HERE. WE

00:51:52.375 --> 00:51:54.010
ARE OBLIGATED AS A STATE TO

00:51:54.077 --> 00:51:55.846
MEET FEDERALLY ENFORCEABLE

00:51:55.912 --> 00:51:57.681
AMBIENT AIR QUALITY STANDARDS.

00:51:57.747 --> 00:51:59.082
WE HAVE SOME OF THE WORST

00:51:59.149 --> 00:52:00.517
REMAINING AIR POLLUTION IN THE

00:52:00.584 --> 00:52:02.686
COUNTRY. AT THE VERY SAME TIME,

00:52:02.752 --> 00:52:04.087
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS

00:52:04.154 --> 00:52:05.522
ATTEMPTING TO TAKE AWAY OUR

00:52:05.589 --> 00:52:08.191
MOST EFFECTIVE TOOLS TO ACHIEVE

00:52:08.258 --> 00:52:10.961
THOSE CLEAN AIR. AND THE

00:52:11.027 --> 00:52:13.096
CONSEQUENCES FOR FAILURE ARE

00:52:13.163 --> 00:52:15.665
SIGNIFICANT UP TO AND INCLUDING

00:52:15.732 --> 00:52:17.033
WITHHOLDING OF FEDERAL

00:52:17.100 --> 00:52:18.268
TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS, WHICH

00:52:18.335 --> 00:52:19.970
ARE, YOU KNOW, TENS OF BILLIONS

00:52:20.036 --> 00:52:20.737
OF DOLLARS THAT THE STATE

00:52:20.804 --> 00:52:24.674
COUNTS ON. SO THESE ARE REAL

00:52:24.741 --> 00:52:27.110
WORLD IMPACTS. IF WE CANNOT IF

00:52:27.177 --> 00:52:29.279
WE DO NOT PREVAIL IN OUR IN OUR

00:52:29.346 --> 00:52:30.347
LITIGATION AGAINST THE UNITED

00:52:30.413 --> 00:52:32.249
STATES, THIS IS WHAT WHAT

00:52:32.315 --> 00:52:33.984
PEOPLE WILL BE EXPERIENCING.

00:52:34.050 --> 00:52:37.621
THIS IS WHAT BREATHERS WILL BE

00:52:37.687 --> 00:52:42.292
EXPERIENCING. SO THIS DEPICTS

00:52:42.359 --> 00:52:43.693
THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE THAT

00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:45.262
WE'RE, WE'RE FACING HERE, AND

00:52:45.328 --> 00:52:46.997
IT'S CREATING A LOT OF

00:52:47.063 --> 00:52:49.866
UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKETPLACE.

00:52:49.933 --> 00:52:52.002
IS CALIFORNIA GOING TO CONTINUE

00:52:52.068 --> 00:52:54.204
TO BE COMMITTED TO BE A LEADER,

00:52:54.271 --> 00:52:55.939
TO CREATE THESE THESE MARKETS,

00:52:56.006 --> 00:52:57.774
TO CONTINUE PROGRESS IN CLEAN

00:52:57.841 --> 00:53:00.277
AIR. WE'RE SEEING ORIGINAL

00:53:00.343 --> 00:53:02.479
EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURERS

00:53:02.546 --> 00:53:03.513
SHIFTING THEIR CAPITAL

00:53:03.580 --> 00:53:06.049
ALLOCATION AWAY FROM PRODUCTION.

00:53:06.116 --> 00:53:08.518
SO WE DON'T THINK WE HAVE A

00:53:08.585 --> 00:53:10.120
DEMAND PROBLEM IN THE STATE OF

00:53:10.186 --> 00:53:11.254
CALIFORNIA. WE THINK WE HAVE A

00:53:11.321 --> 00:53:13.223
SUPPLY PROBLEM BECAUSE THESE

00:53:13.290 --> 00:53:14.658
FIRMS NO LONGER WILL BE

00:53:14.724 --> 00:53:17.160
REQUIRED TO PRODUCE CLEAN AND

00:53:17.227 --> 00:53:19.362
EFFICIENT VEHICLES AS THEY HAD

00:53:19.429 --> 00:53:20.931
EXPECTED, AND HAS HAVE THEY?

00:53:20.997 --> 00:53:22.432
AND THEY'VE BEEN PLANNING TO DO

00:53:22.499 --> 00:53:24.768
THESE VEHICLES EXIST? THIS

00:53:24.834 --> 00:53:26.002
TECHNOLOGY EXISTS. BUT BECAUSE

00:53:26.069 --> 00:53:27.237
OF THIS UNCERTAINTY NOW,

00:53:27.304 --> 00:53:31.942
BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS LANDSCAPE.

00:53:32.008 --> 00:53:33.009
WE'RE QUITE CONCERNED THAT THE

00:53:33.076 --> 00:53:36.212
SUPPLY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE.

00:53:36.279 --> 00:53:39.482
SO CONTINUED PROGRESS IN IN

00:53:39.549 --> 00:53:41.718
CLEAN AIR AND BUILDING THESE

00:53:41.785 --> 00:53:43.119
MARKETS, AS I MENTIONED, YOU

00:53:43.186 --> 00:53:44.754
KNOW, WILL REQUIRE CONSISTENT

00:53:44.821 --> 00:53:46.723
AND PREDICTABLE FUNDING. OUR

00:53:46.790 --> 00:53:48.558
EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN THAT IF

00:53:48.625 --> 00:53:51.061
FIRMS CAN COUNT ON THE

00:53:51.127 --> 00:53:52.262
INCENTIVES, THEY WILL CONTINUE

00:53:52.329 --> 00:53:54.664
TO PRODUCE. WE NEED TO HAVE

00:53:54.731 --> 00:53:55.932
FORWARD LOOKING REGULATIONS

00:53:55.999 --> 00:53:58.568
THAT WILL INSPIRE EARLY ACTIONS

00:53:58.635 --> 00:53:59.669
TO COMPLY WITH THOSE

00:53:59.736 --> 00:54:00.737
REGULATIONS AND TAKE ADVANTAGE

00:54:00.804 --> 00:54:04.007
OF THE INCENTIVES. BUT MAKE NO

00:54:04.074 --> 00:54:05.342
MISTAKE, THIS IS PART OF THE

00:54:05.408 --> 00:54:06.376
THING THAT'S BEEN A BIT

00:54:06.443 --> 00:54:09.346
FRUSTRATING WITH THE REPORTING.

00:54:09.412 --> 00:54:10.447
CALIFORNIA STILL RETAINS OUR

00:54:10.513 --> 00:54:11.781
AUTHORITY, OUR UNIQUE AUTHORITY

00:54:11.848 --> 00:54:12.949
UNDER FEDERAL LAW TO SET

00:54:13.016 --> 00:54:15.852
EMISSION STANDARDS TO PROTECT

00:54:15.919 --> 00:54:18.421
CALIFORNIA BREATHERS. CONGRESS

00:54:18.488 --> 00:54:20.890
HAS ILLEGALLY, IN OUR OPINION,

00:54:20.957 --> 00:54:22.359
OBJECTED TO HOW WE APPLIED THAT

00:54:22.425 --> 00:54:23.760
AUTHORITY IN THREE SPECIFIC

00:54:23.827 --> 00:54:25.862
INSTANCES. BUT WE STILL HAVE

00:54:25.929 --> 00:54:28.098
THE ABILITY TO ESTABLISH THESE

00:54:28.164 --> 00:54:29.532
STANDARDS AND REQUEST A WAIVER

00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.001
FROM EPA. AND WE'VE GOTTEN THEM

00:54:31.067 --> 00:54:34.604
FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS. AND SO,

00:54:34.671 --> 00:54:36.439
TO PARAPHRASE MARK TWAIN, YOU

00:54:36.506 --> 00:54:38.074
KNOW, THE NEWS OF OUR DEATH HAS

00:54:38.141 --> 00:54:39.609
BEEN GREATLY EXAGGERATED. WE'RE

00:54:39.676 --> 00:54:46.850
STILL IN IT. SO BRIEFLY, I WANT

00:54:46.916 --> 00:54:49.019
TO GIVE MY COLLEAGUES TIME TO

00:54:49.085 --> 00:54:51.521
PRESENT. FORGIVE ME FOR

00:54:51.588 --> 00:54:52.989
INDULGING MY BRIEF RANT IN THE

00:54:53.056 --> 00:54:55.825
BEGINNING. WE'RE NOT SITTING

00:54:55.892 --> 00:54:58.094
STILL. LAST FALL, WE WE, WE

00:54:58.161 --> 00:54:59.195
LAUNCHED AN INITIATIVE THAT WE

00:54:59.262 --> 00:55:03.733
CALLED DRIVE FORWARD TO

00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:06.636
CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS FOR

00:55:06.703 --> 00:55:07.904
CALIFORNIANS AND FOR BREATHERS.

00:55:07.971 --> 00:55:11.341
AND IT'S A MULTI PATH EFFORT,

00:55:11.408 --> 00:55:13.476
WHICH ENCOMPASSES BOTH NEW

00:55:13.543 --> 00:55:14.944
REGULATIONS FOR PASSENGER

00:55:15.011 --> 00:55:16.746
VEHICLES, FOR HEAVY TRUCKS, FOR

00:55:16.813 --> 00:55:19.683
OFF ROAD DIESEL MACHINES, AS

00:55:19.749 --> 00:55:22.786
WELL AS Ã CONCEPTS ADDRESSING

00:55:22.852 --> 00:55:24.988
FLEET EMISSIONS IN WHAT WE CALL

00:55:25.055 --> 00:55:27.891
IN-USE EMISSIONS. WE ARE VERY

00:55:27.957 --> 00:55:29.192
GRATEFUL FOR THE LEGISLATURE,

00:55:29.259 --> 00:55:30.427
THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR

00:55:30.493 --> 00:55:31.461
MEETING THE MOMENT THIS YEAR

00:55:31.528 --> 00:55:33.997
AND PROVIDING $271 MILLION TO

00:55:34.064 --> 00:55:36.499
IN SUPPORTING BOTH CURRENT

00:55:36.566 --> 00:55:38.468
INCENTIVES AND A NEW INCENTIVE

00:55:38.535 --> 00:55:41.938
THAT WE CALL MY FIRST EV THAT

00:55:42.005 --> 00:55:44.808
THAT LAUNCHED IN SEPTEMBER. AND

00:55:44.874 --> 00:55:46.609
ACTUALLY SOME FIRMS LAUNCHED IT

00:55:46.676 --> 00:55:48.044
LAUNCHED THEIR OWN VERSIONS IN,

00:55:48.111 --> 00:55:53.049
IN AUGUST. AND THAT HAS BEEN A

00:55:53.116 --> 00:55:54.217
ENORMOUS SUCCESS. AND

00:55:54.284 --> 00:55:55.251
DEMONSTRATING THAT CALIFORNIA

00:55:55.318 --> 00:55:56.686
STILL WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO,

00:55:56.753 --> 00:55:58.488
TO THESE THESE VEHICLES. WE

00:55:58.555 --> 00:56:02.792
ANNOUNCED LAST WEEK THAT 12,000,

00:56:02.859 --> 00:56:04.594
NEARLY 12,000 INCENTIVES HAVE

00:56:04.661 --> 00:56:07.130
ALREADY BEEN ISSUED. ONE FIRM

00:56:07.197 --> 00:56:08.198
WENT THROUGH THEIR ALLOCATION

00:56:08.264 --> 00:56:11.067
IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS. AND SO

00:56:11.134 --> 00:56:12.535
WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH WITH

00:56:12.602 --> 00:56:14.671
THE RESPONSE. AND IT JUST AGAIN

00:56:14.738 --> 00:56:15.739
DEMONSTRATES THAT THAT

00:56:15.805 --> 00:56:17.907
CALIFORNIANS STILL DEMAND THESE

00:56:17.974 --> 00:56:20.076
THESE VEHICLES. IT'S A UNIQUE

00:56:20.143 --> 00:56:21.211
AND DIFFERENT WAY OF

00:56:21.277 --> 00:56:21.845
APPROACHING OUR INCENTIVE

00:56:21.911 --> 00:56:23.613
PROGRAMS. IT'S AN EXPERIMENT.

00:56:23.680 --> 00:56:24.781
IT'S THE FIRST TIME THE STATE

00:56:24.848 --> 00:56:26.182
HAS EVER DONE THIS IN

00:56:26.249 --> 00:56:27.584
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE AUTOMAKERS.

00:56:27.650 --> 00:56:29.052
FIRST TIME AUTOMAKERS HAVE

00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:30.220
SIGNED A GRANT WITH THE STATE

00:56:30.286 --> 00:56:31.387
OF CALIFORNIA. DIDN'T KNOW IF

00:56:31.454 --> 00:56:33.289
THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT

00:56:33.356 --> 00:56:35.358
THEY BUT THEY AND AGAIN, I

00:56:35.425 --> 00:56:36.826
COULD TELL STORIES ABOUT HOW

00:56:36.893 --> 00:56:38.528
THIS ALL CAME ABOUT, BUT THEY

00:56:38.595 --> 00:56:41.030
ALL WANTED IN AT THE END, AND

00:56:41.097 --> 00:56:42.732
THEY'RE ENTHUSIASTIC. IN FACT,

00:56:42.799 --> 00:56:44.234
TOYOTA HAS EVEN LAUNCHED A

00:56:44.300 --> 00:56:45.635
COMPLIMENTARY PROGRAM BECAUSE

00:56:45.702 --> 00:56:47.771
THIS PROGRAM IS IS REALLY AIMED

00:56:47.837 --> 00:56:51.374
AT INFLUENCING THOSE EV CURIOUS

00:56:51.441 --> 00:56:53.209
BUYERS, THOSE FIRST TIME BUYERS,

00:56:53.276 --> 00:56:55.011
AND GIVES THEM A NUDGE TO GO

00:56:55.078 --> 00:56:56.279
THAT THE HYPOTHESIS IS, WOULD

00:56:56.346 --> 00:56:58.214
THIS BE ENOUGH? $3,500 ON THE

00:56:58.281 --> 00:56:59.949
HOOD INSTANTLY? WAS THAT GOING

00:57:00.016 --> 00:57:01.151
TO BE ENOUGH TO NUDGE PEOPLE

00:57:01.217 --> 00:57:02.218
INTO THE SHOWROOMS? AND IT

00:57:02.285 --> 00:57:04.320
TURNS OUT THE ANSWER IS YES. SO

00:57:04.387 --> 00:57:05.421
WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH HOW

00:57:05.488 --> 00:57:10.493
THINGS ARE GOING. SO FAR. WE'VE

00:57:10.560 --> 00:57:12.962
ALLOCATED ALMOST $20 MILLION

00:57:13.029 --> 00:57:15.131
ALREADY IN REIMBURSEMENTS TO TO

00:57:15.198 --> 00:57:16.966
FIRMS, AND WE'RE LOOKING

00:57:17.033 --> 00:57:20.203
FORWARD TO, AGAIN, CALIFORNIA

00:57:20.270 --> 00:57:21.638
BREATHERS HAVING ACCESS TO

00:57:21.704 --> 00:57:26.309
THESE TO THESE TECHNOLOGIES. SO

00:57:26.376 --> 00:57:28.111
I'LL JUST CLOSE THAT. MY FIRST

00:57:28.178 --> 00:57:29.913
EV IS, IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE

00:57:29.979 --> 00:57:31.147
ABOUT HOW INNOVATIVE POLICIES

00:57:31.214 --> 00:57:33.149
CAN CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN AND

00:57:33.216 --> 00:57:35.652
GROW THIS TECHNOLOGY AND THIS,

00:57:35.718 --> 00:57:37.821
THIS MARKET. WE ARE

00:57:37.887 --> 00:57:39.622
CONTINUOUSLY LOOKING AT HOW TO

00:57:39.689 --> 00:57:41.457
IMPROVE OUR CURRENT INCENTIVE

00:57:41.524 --> 00:57:43.259
PROGRAMS SO THAT THEY'RE MORE

00:57:43.326 --> 00:57:44.994
EFFICIENT AND THAT PEOPLE HAVE

00:57:45.061 --> 00:57:47.897
ACCESS TO THEM. AND AS WE'RE

00:57:47.964 --> 00:57:48.965
PROCEEDING WITH OUR REGULATORY

00:57:49.032 --> 00:57:50.733
PROCESS, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE

00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.969
PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AS WELL. WE'RE

00:57:53.036 --> 00:57:54.404
LOOKING AT POLICY DESIGNS THAT

00:57:54.470 --> 00:57:56.940
WILL ENCOURAGE EARLY ACTION. SO

00:57:57.006 --> 00:57:58.341
FIRMS THAT COULD, UNDER THE

00:57:58.408 --> 00:57:59.876
REGULATION, GET CREDIT FOR

00:57:59.943 --> 00:58:01.311
TAKING ACTIONS SOONER THAN THEY

00:58:01.377 --> 00:58:04.480
HAVE TO BE. SO AGAIN, THIS THIS

00:58:04.547 --> 00:58:05.515
INTEGRATED APPROACH BETWEEN

00:58:05.582 --> 00:58:07.350
REGULATORY STRATEGIES, BETWEEN

00:58:07.417 --> 00:58:09.152
INCENTIVE STRATEGIES, BETWEEN

00:58:09.219 --> 00:58:12.422
INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE IS

00:58:12.488 --> 00:58:14.591
THE STRATEGY GOING FORWARD. SO

00:58:14.657 --> 00:58:16.059
I WILL CONCLUDE MY REMARKS AND

00:58:16.125 --> 00:58:17.527
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

00:58:17.594 --> 00:58:19.596
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

00:58:19.662 --> 00:58:21.030
AND WE WILL WAIT FOR QUESTIONS

00:58:21.097 --> 00:58:22.732
TILL EVERYBODY IN THE PANEL HAS

00:58:22.799 --> 00:58:24.968
HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK. SO NEXT

00:58:25.034 --> 00:58:28.204
UP, WE HAVE SENATOR SLASH

00:58:28.271 --> 00:58:31.107
COMMISSIONER NANCY SKINNER.

00:58:31.174 --> 00:58:33.610
WELCOME. THANKS SO MUCH.

00:58:33.676 --> 00:58:36.179
ASSEMBLY MEMBER AND ASSEMBLY

00:58:36.246 --> 00:58:37.247
MEMBER SCHIAVO, YOU WERE

00:58:37.313 --> 00:58:38.648
CORRECT IN THE OTHER TITLE.

00:58:38.715 --> 00:58:40.149
WE'RE GOING CLAP ON THAT, BUT

00:58:40.216 --> 00:58:41.885
WE'LL LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE FOR

00:58:41.951 --> 00:58:44.387
THE MOMENT. REALLY APPRECIATE

00:58:44.454 --> 00:58:45.788
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO

00:58:45.855 --> 00:58:48.124
SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU, AND ALSO

00:58:48.191 --> 00:58:50.860
TO GIVE MY APPRECIATION TO BOTH

00:58:50.927 --> 00:58:52.695
ASSEMBLY MEMBER IRWIN, ASSEMBLY

00:58:52.762 --> 00:58:55.231
MEMBER AND SENATOR STERN FOR

00:58:55.298 --> 00:58:56.966
YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THIS AREA,

00:58:57.033 --> 00:58:58.468
BECAUSE ALL THREE OF YOU HAVE

00:58:58.534 --> 00:59:01.004
VERY IMPORTANT LEGISLATION THAT

00:59:01.070 --> 00:59:03.106
HAS HELPED CALIFORNIA CONTINUE

00:59:03.172 --> 00:59:06.342
TO MOVE IT TOWARDS ITS

00:59:06.409 --> 00:59:08.544
ACHIEVING ITS GOALS ON EV

00:59:08.611 --> 00:59:09.579
ADOPTION AND THE

00:59:09.646 --> 00:59:10.680
ELECTRIFICATION OF

00:59:10.747 --> 00:59:11.848
TRANSPORTATION. SO ALL THREE OF

00:59:11.915 --> 00:59:13.917
YOU HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY

00:59:13.983 --> 00:59:16.085
PIVOTAL. SO I'M GOING TO

00:59:16.152 --> 00:59:18.621
QUICKLY GO THROUGH SOME OF THE

00:59:18.688 --> 00:59:20.023
ACTIONS THAT CALIFORNIA HAS

00:59:20.089 --> 00:59:22.592
TAKEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT

00:59:22.659 --> 00:59:24.360
THAN WHAT OUR STATE

00:59:24.427 --> 00:59:25.461
REPRESENTATIVE CARB JUST

00:59:25.528 --> 00:59:26.663
MENTIONED. AND THEN SOME THINGS

00:59:26.729 --> 00:59:28.665
I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ON

00:59:28.731 --> 00:59:30.133
YOUR RADAR AND YOU SHOULD

00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.268
CONSIDER. SO WE REMAIN THE

00:59:32.335 --> 00:59:33.770
NATION'S LEADER IN NEW EV

00:59:33.836 --> 00:59:35.505
VEHICLE PURCHASES AND IN

00:59:35.571 --> 00:59:38.441
CHARGER DEPLOYMENT. SO NEW EV

00:59:38.508 --> 00:59:39.842
SALES IN CALIFORNIA. AND WE

00:59:39.909 --> 00:59:41.945
JUST UPDATED OUR DASHBOARD,

00:59:42.011 --> 00:59:43.446
MAINTAINED A STEADY MARKET

00:59:43.513 --> 00:59:45.248
SHARE IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF

00:59:45.315 --> 00:59:48.851
26 DESPITE A DROP IN NEW CAR

00:59:48.918 --> 00:59:51.421
SALES OVERALL IN CALIFORNIA AND

00:59:51.487 --> 00:59:52.822
ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO WITH

00:59:52.889 --> 00:59:54.991
INTEREST RATES AND HIGH

00:59:55.058 --> 00:59:56.759
INTEREST RATES AND LOW CONSUMER

00:59:56.826 --> 00:59:57.827
CONFIDENCE, THERE WERE JUST

00:59:57.894 --> 00:59:59.696
FEWER CARS BOUGHT OVERALL. BUT

00:59:59.762 --> 01:00:02.966
OUR PERCENT OF EVS, WHICH WAS

01:00:03.032 --> 01:00:06.869
19.1%, WAS OR RATHER 19.1% FOR

01:00:06.936 --> 01:00:10.440
ZEVS, 16.3% STRAIGHT, YOU KNOW,

01:00:10.506 --> 01:00:13.343
FULLY ELECTRIC. YOU TAKE THAT

01:00:13.409 --> 01:00:16.546
PERCENT COMPARED TO ONLY 6.4%

01:00:16.612 --> 01:00:18.348
NATIONALLY. SO WE'RE WE'RE

01:00:18.414 --> 01:00:21.250
DOING WELL. AND OUR CHARGER

01:00:21.317 --> 01:00:23.753
NETWORK CONTINUES TO EXPAND. SO

01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:25.588
HOPEFULLY, MAYBE WE'RE NOT

01:00:25.655 --> 01:00:27.724
QUITE AT THE PLACE YET WHERE

01:00:27.790 --> 01:00:29.125
ASSEMBLY MEMBER CHAVO, YOU AND

01:00:29.192 --> 01:00:30.960
YOUR SON, YOUR CHILD WOULD

01:00:31.027 --> 01:00:32.829
NEVER FACE WHAT YOU FACED ON

01:00:32.895 --> 01:00:35.631
THAT THANKSGIVING DRIVE. BUT

01:00:35.698 --> 01:00:37.767
I'M HOPING WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE

01:00:37.834 --> 01:00:39.602
TO THERE. AND I'LL TELL YOU

01:00:39.669 --> 01:00:40.837
WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE

01:00:40.903 --> 01:00:42.839
JUST UPDATED THIS DASHBOARD.

01:00:42.905 --> 01:00:47.410
ADDITIONALLY, WE NOW HAVE

01:00:47.477 --> 01:00:50.413
224,438 EV CHARGING PORTS AT

01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.215
PUBLIC SITES SUCH AS GROCERY

01:00:52.281 --> 01:00:54.350
STORES, SHOPPING AREAS, GAS

01:00:54.417 --> 01:00:55.885
STATIONS, THAT KIND OF, YOU

01:00:55.952 --> 01:00:57.487
KNOW, WHERE YOU SEE THEM VERY

01:00:57.553 --> 01:00:59.055
PUBLIC. AND THEN INCLUDED IN

01:00:59.122 --> 01:01:00.790
THAT NUMBER ARE A LITTLE BIT

01:01:00.857 --> 01:01:03.159
MORE LIMITED ACCESS SITES LIKE

01:01:03.226 --> 01:01:05.228
DOCTOR'S OFFICES, WORKPLACES,

01:01:05.294 --> 01:01:07.697
HOTELS AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

01:01:07.764 --> 01:01:09.532
NOW, AMONG THE PUBLICLY

01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:12.001
ACCESSIBLE CHARGERS, ABOUT

01:01:12.068 --> 01:01:15.071
23,000 NOW ARE DC FAST CHARGERS.

01:01:15.138 --> 01:01:16.906
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND WHERE YOU

01:01:16.973 --> 01:01:19.409
CAN GET A CHARGE IN 15 TO 45

01:01:19.475 --> 01:01:21.244
MINUTES DEPENDING ON YOUR CAR

01:01:21.310 --> 01:01:23.146
AND THE CHARGER, BUT MUCH

01:01:23.212 --> 01:01:24.947
BETTER THAN THE IF YOU'RE, YOU

01:01:25.014 --> 01:01:27.483
KNOW, TRAVELING AND SUCH AND

01:01:27.550 --> 01:01:29.018
YOU WANT TO GET A CHARGE QUICK,

01:01:29.085 --> 01:01:30.720
THE GROWTH IN THE DC FAST

01:01:30.787 --> 01:01:33.256
CHARGERS IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.

01:01:33.322 --> 01:01:35.058
NOW THOSE NUMBERS ARE IN

01:01:35.124 --> 01:01:36.859
ADDITION TO THE TO THE

01:01:36.926 --> 01:01:38.995
APPROXIMATELY 1.2 MILLION

01:01:39.062 --> 01:01:40.430
CHARGERS THAT ARE INSTALLED IN

01:01:40.496 --> 01:01:42.598
SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND IN

01:01:42.665 --> 01:01:44.434
THOSE PROPERTIES WHERE IT'S A

01:01:44.500 --> 01:01:45.968
HOME OR IT'S A DUPLEX, BUT UP

01:01:46.035 --> 01:01:48.404
TO FOUR UNITS. SO WE HAVE 1.2

01:01:48.471 --> 01:01:51.941
MILLION THERE. WE HAVE JUST WE

01:01:52.008 --> 01:01:55.578
THE CEC HAS JUST COMPLETED OUR

01:01:55.645 --> 01:01:57.713
ASSESSMENT ON THEIR ESTIMATED

01:01:57.780 --> 01:02:00.216
CHARGER NEED. SO WE'RE REVISING

01:02:00.283 --> 01:02:02.752
IT NOW. IF YOU RECALL THE

01:02:02.819 --> 01:02:03.953
PREVIOUS ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS

01:02:04.020 --> 01:02:06.022
A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK,

01:02:06.089 --> 01:02:07.190
PROJECTED THAT WE ARE GOING TO

01:02:07.256 --> 01:02:09.625
NEED LIKE A MILLION PUBLIC

01:02:09.692 --> 01:02:12.128
CHARGERS BY 2030, WHICH IS

01:02:12.195 --> 01:02:13.596
REALLY HARD TO IMAGINE THAT WE

01:02:13.663 --> 01:02:15.698
WOULD GET TO THAT. BUT THAT WAS

01:02:15.765 --> 01:02:18.568
ALSO BASED ON THAT WAS BASED ON

01:02:18.634 --> 01:02:20.403
CHARGERS THAT WERE MUCH LOWER

01:02:20.470 --> 01:02:22.205
POWER, THAT WAS BASED ON

01:02:22.271 --> 01:02:24.340
VEHICLES THAT HAD LESS RANGE.

01:02:24.407 --> 01:02:25.808
IT WAS BASED ON A LOT OF

01:02:25.875 --> 01:02:27.243
FACTORS THAT HAVE TOTALLY

01:02:27.310 --> 01:02:29.779
CHANGED TODAY. SO OUR REVISED

01:02:29.846 --> 01:02:32.281
ESTIMATE FOR 2030 IS NOW THAT

01:02:32.348 --> 01:02:36.586
WE WILL NEED 478,000 CHARGING

01:02:36.652 --> 01:02:38.754
POINTS AT THE PUBLICLY

01:02:38.821 --> 01:02:41.991
ACCESSIBLE AND MORE LIMITED

01:02:42.058 --> 01:02:44.193
LOCATIONS THAT I DESCRIBED, AS

01:02:44.260 --> 01:02:48.097
WELL AS 136,000 AT MULTIFAMILY

01:02:48.164 --> 01:02:49.932
HOUSING. SO AS YOU CAN TELL

01:02:49.999 --> 01:02:52.101
FROM WHAT I DESCRIBED BEFORE,

01:02:52.168 --> 01:02:53.503
WE'RE WE'RE ALMOST HALFWAY

01:02:53.569 --> 01:02:56.739
THERE, WHICH IS NOT BAD. AND

01:02:56.806 --> 01:03:00.009
THAT IN EFFECT, WE ARE ARE

01:03:00.076 --> 01:03:01.744
CHARGING INSTALLATIONS ARE

01:03:01.811 --> 01:03:03.613
ALMOST AHEAD OF OUR VEHICLES,

01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:05.414
NOT QUITE, BUT ALMOST AHEAD

01:03:05.481 --> 01:03:07.383
BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES

01:03:07.450 --> 01:03:09.352
THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON

01:03:09.418 --> 01:03:12.288
BY 2030 IS 6.8 MILLION. AND

01:03:12.355 --> 01:03:14.123
WHILE I THINK ALL OF US WANT TO

01:03:14.190 --> 01:03:17.994
GET TO 6.8 MILLION EVS BY 2030,

01:03:18.060 --> 01:03:19.462
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FACTORS

01:03:19.529 --> 01:03:21.264
MIGHT GET IN THAT WAY, BUT

01:03:21.330 --> 01:03:23.132
WE'RE CERTAINLY MOVING, MAKING

01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:24.867
GREAT PROGRESS ON THE

01:03:24.934 --> 01:03:28.437
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED.

01:03:28.504 --> 01:03:30.740
SO WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE SOME

01:03:30.806 --> 01:03:32.775
OTHER ACTIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN

01:03:32.842 --> 01:03:34.510
MORE JUST IN RESPONSE TO, LIKE

01:03:34.577 --> 01:03:38.147
TRUMP, THE LEGALLY CHALLENGING

01:03:38.214 --> 01:03:40.316
THE FEDERAL ACTIONS AND TRUMP'S

01:03:40.383 --> 01:03:41.784
ACTIONS THAT UNDERMINE

01:03:41.851 --> 01:03:43.920
CALIFORNIA'S AUTHORITY? AND IF

01:03:43.986 --> 01:03:45.454
YOU WANT TO KNOW THE WHOLE LIST

01:03:45.521 --> 01:03:48.257
OF THEM, CERTAINLY ASK CARB.

01:03:48.324 --> 01:03:50.026
ONE OF THEM I'M VERY FAMILIAR

01:03:50.092 --> 01:03:52.228
WITH IS WE CHALLENGED OUR AG'S

01:03:52.295 --> 01:03:54.430
OFFICE, CHALLENGED THE FEDS ON

01:03:54.497 --> 01:03:56.199
THE ELIMINATION OF THE FEDERAL

01:03:56.265 --> 01:03:59.068
FUNDING CALLED NEVI, AND WE WON.

01:03:59.135 --> 01:04:01.571
SO WE HAVE NEVI FUNDING

01:04:01.637 --> 01:04:02.705
SOLICITATIONS OUT ON THE STREET

01:04:02.772 --> 01:04:04.807
RIGHT NOW AND JUST ABOUT TO

01:04:04.874 --> 01:04:09.145
AWARD ACTUALLY. AND THEN

01:04:09.212 --> 01:04:11.247
THERE'S THERE WERE AT LEAST TWO,

01:04:11.314 --> 01:04:14.183
FOR EXAMPLE, THAT SUED THE

01:04:14.250 --> 01:04:16.319
ADMINISTRATION REGARDING

01:04:16.385 --> 01:04:17.753
REVOKING THE THREE CRUCIAL

01:04:17.820 --> 01:04:21.757
CLEAN AIR ACT WAIVERS. SO OUR

01:04:21.824 --> 01:04:23.593
ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS BEEN VERY

01:04:23.659 --> 01:04:26.095
BUSY, SUPPORTED BY OUR LAWYERS

01:04:26.162 --> 01:04:27.863
AT AIR RESOURCES BOARD AND

01:04:27.930 --> 01:04:29.699
OTHER STATE, YOU KNOW, OTHER

01:04:29.765 --> 01:04:31.067
ATTORNEYS IN DIFFERENT STATE

01:04:31.133 --> 01:04:33.236
AGENCIES TO BASICALLY CHALLENGE

01:04:33.302 --> 01:04:34.303
EVERYTHING THAT TRUMP IS

01:04:34.370 --> 01:04:37.540
THROWING AT US. BUT MORE

01:04:37.607 --> 01:04:38.641
INTERNALLY, WHAT WE'VE BEEN

01:04:38.708 --> 01:04:41.544
DOING ARE VERY STRATEGIC

01:04:41.611 --> 01:04:43.346
FUNDING OF CHARGING

01:04:43.412 --> 01:04:44.447
INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE UP FOR

01:04:44.513 --> 01:04:46.315
WHERE PUBLIC PRIVATE SECTOR MAY

01:04:46.382 --> 01:04:48.017
NOT BE ACTING. AND THE OTHER

01:04:48.084 --> 01:04:49.652
GOOD NEWS I HAVEN'T MENTIONED

01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:50.987
THIS IS PRIVATE SECTOR ACTION,

01:04:51.053 --> 01:04:52.989
BUT THERE'S MUCH MORE PRIVATE

01:04:53.055 --> 01:04:54.890
SECTOR INVESTMENT IN CHARGERS.

01:04:54.957 --> 01:04:56.459
NOW THERE'S A NEW CONSORTIUM

01:04:56.525 --> 01:04:58.761
CALLED IONA, AND IONA IS MADE

01:04:58.828 --> 01:05:02.031
UP OF A NUMBER OF AUTO

01:05:02.098 --> 01:05:03.165
MANUFACTURERS WHO THEN HAVE PUT

01:05:03.232 --> 01:05:04.567
THEIR MONEY TOGETHER, CREATED

01:05:04.634 --> 01:05:06.369
THIS NEW COMPANY, IONA, WHICH

01:05:06.435 --> 01:05:09.272
IS PUTTING IN GAS STATION LIKE

01:05:09.338 --> 01:05:11.040
CHARGING FACILITIES THROUGHOUT

01:05:11.107 --> 01:05:13.943
THE STATE. THEY HAVE OVER 175

01:05:14.010 --> 01:05:16.078
LOCATIONS PLANNED AND ALREADY,

01:05:16.145 --> 01:05:17.513
YOU KNOW, UNDER PERMITTING AND

01:05:17.580 --> 01:05:19.282
SUCH. AND ONE OF THEIR

01:05:19.348 --> 01:05:21.150
SIGNATURE LOCATIONS, WHICH WILL

01:05:21.217 --> 01:05:23.653
HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE,

01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:25.221
RESTROOMS, DC FAST CHARGERS,

01:05:25.288 --> 01:05:27.256
THE WHOLE BIT WILL OPEN IN

01:05:27.323 --> 01:05:29.825
WESTMINSTER IN IN NOVEMBER. SO

01:05:29.892 --> 01:05:31.594
WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO

01:05:31.661 --> 01:05:33.329
THAT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF

01:05:33.396 --> 01:05:36.198
PRIVATE SECTOR EXPENDITURE NOW

01:05:36.265 --> 01:05:38.067
IN MEETING SOME OF OUR

01:05:38.134 --> 01:05:38.768
INFRASTRUCTURE GAP, THE

01:05:38.834 --> 01:05:40.936
CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE GAP. SO

01:05:41.003 --> 01:05:42.405
WE'RE WE, THE C, E, C ARE

01:05:42.471 --> 01:05:44.640
TRYING TO BE REALLY SMART ABOUT

01:05:44.707 --> 01:05:46.008
WHERE DO WE PUT THE MONEY?

01:05:46.075 --> 01:05:47.843
WHERE IS THE PRIVATE SECTOR NOT

01:05:47.910 --> 01:05:49.912
GOING TO INVEST? AND ONE OF THE

01:05:49.979 --> 01:05:51.047
AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED

01:05:51.113 --> 01:05:52.782
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS

01:05:52.848 --> 01:05:54.650
FUNDING FOR MULTIFAMILY,

01:05:54.717 --> 01:05:56.652
BECAUSE PEOPLE ONE OF THE

01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:57.453
BIGGEST REASONS SOMEBODY

01:05:57.520 --> 01:05:58.988
DOESN'T GET AN EV IS IF THEY

01:05:59.055 --> 01:06:00.589
DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CHARGING

01:06:00.656 --> 01:06:03.626
AT HOME ANYWAY, KEEP GOING.

01:06:03.693 --> 01:06:05.394
WE'VE GOT OUR RELIABILITY REGS.

01:06:05.461 --> 01:06:07.229
PAST LEGISLATURE DIRECTED US TO

01:06:07.296 --> 01:06:08.364
DO SO. WE DEVELOPED THEM.

01:06:08.431 --> 01:06:10.433
THEY'RE PAST THE PAYMENT REGS

01:06:10.499 --> 01:06:11.600
ARE UNDERWAY, WHICH SHOULD BE

01:06:11.667 --> 01:06:13.502
IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

01:06:13.569 --> 01:06:16.238
AND THE REGS ARE ALREADY BEING,

01:06:16.305 --> 01:06:18.374
AS ASSEMBLY MEMBER IRWIN KNOWS,

01:06:18.441 --> 01:06:19.809
VERY FAMILIAR WITH HER

01:06:19.875 --> 01:06:22.011
LEGISLATION. THOSE WILL BE

01:06:22.078 --> 01:06:25.915
THERE. WE HAVE A A STREAMLINED

01:06:25.981 --> 01:06:27.483
TIMELINE FOR THEM AND MOVING

01:06:27.550 --> 01:06:30.586
VERY QUICKLY. THERE WAS ALSO

01:06:30.653 --> 01:06:31.721
LEGISLATION THIS SESSION THAT

01:06:31.787 --> 01:06:32.822
THE GOVERNOR SIGNED INTO LAW

01:06:32.888 --> 01:06:34.557
THAT WILL IMPROVE THE TESTING

01:06:34.623 --> 01:06:36.359
AND VERIFICATION OF THE

01:06:36.425 --> 01:06:37.960
CHARGERS AND ELIMINATE SOME OF

01:06:38.027 --> 01:06:40.329
THE BOTTLENECKS THAT HAVE

01:06:40.396 --> 01:06:41.764
AFFECTED PUBLIC SECTORS OR

01:06:41.831 --> 01:06:43.899
PRIVATE SECTORS. WILLINGNESS TO

01:06:43.966 --> 01:06:45.368
INVEST IN CHARGING

01:06:45.434 --> 01:06:46.435
INFRASTRUCTURE IN CALIFORNIA.

01:06:46.502 --> 01:06:48.204
BUT THAT I THINK WHAT WAS

01:06:48.270 --> 01:06:50.406
PASSED IS GOING TO REALLY HELP

01:06:50.473 --> 01:06:52.408
THE MY FIRST EV INCENTIVES.

01:06:52.475 --> 01:06:53.576
THANK YOU. LEGISLATURE, FOR

01:06:53.642 --> 01:06:55.411
PASSING GOVERNOR NEWSOM'S

01:06:55.478 --> 01:06:57.613
INITIATIVE. AND AS MENTIONED,

01:06:57.680 --> 01:06:59.181
THERE'S ALREADY 12,000 DRIVERS

01:06:59.248 --> 01:07:00.649
SO FAR WHO HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE

01:07:00.716 --> 01:07:02.284
OF IT, AND THE PROGRAM IS STILL

01:07:02.351 --> 01:07:04.120
LIVE. THE ONLY AUTOMAKER THAT

01:07:04.186 --> 01:07:05.855
HAS USED UP THEIR INCENTIVES IS

01:07:05.921 --> 01:07:07.990
TESLA. ALL OF THE OTHER EV

01:07:08.057 --> 01:07:09.859
MAKERS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING

01:07:09.925 --> 01:07:12.361
STILL HAVE INCENTIVES AVAILABLE.

01:07:12.428 --> 01:07:13.829
SO ANYONE WHO'S LISTENING, WHO

01:07:13.896 --> 01:07:15.931
HASN'T PURCHASED AN EV YET, GET

01:07:15.998 --> 01:07:18.834
OUT TO YOUR CAR DEALER AND YOU

01:07:18.901 --> 01:07:21.036
CAN GET IT RIGHT. THE THE

01:07:21.103 --> 01:07:22.438
INCENTIVE IS PAID RIGHT AT THAT

01:07:22.505 --> 01:07:23.873
MOMENT. YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO GO

01:07:23.939 --> 01:07:26.409
APPLY FOR IT LATER. THE OTHER

01:07:26.475 --> 01:07:28.210
THING THAT CALIFORNIA HAS DONE

01:07:28.277 --> 01:07:29.578
IS THE CLEAN MILE STANDARD,

01:07:29.645 --> 01:07:31.414
WHICH WAS A BILL OF MINE FROM A

01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:33.949
NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WHERE THE

01:07:34.016 --> 01:07:35.518
PUC ADMINISTERS IT. AND THERE'S

01:07:35.584 --> 01:07:38.554
A FEE ON EVERY RIDE THAT ANY OF

01:07:38.621 --> 01:07:40.322
US TAKE ON TRANSPORTATION

01:07:40.389 --> 01:07:41.857
NETWORK COMPANIES. SO UBER,

01:07:41.924 --> 01:07:45.828
LYFT, ETC. AND THAT FEE, IT'S,

01:07:45.895 --> 01:07:48.697
I BELIEVE IT'S $0.09 IN

01:07:48.764 --> 01:07:50.866
COLORADO. THEY MIMICKED US, BUT

01:07:50.933 --> 01:07:53.002
THEIR FEE IS $0.25. NOW, THE

01:07:53.068 --> 01:07:56.272
POINT OF IT IS TO HELP THE TNC

01:07:56.338 --> 01:07:58.073
DRIVERS GO ELECTRIC AND TO

01:07:58.140 --> 01:07:59.475
PROVIDE THEM SOME FUNDING TO DO

01:07:59.542 --> 01:08:02.044
SO. NOW, MY ONLY CRITICISM SO

01:08:02.111 --> 01:08:04.246
FAR IS THAT PUC SAT ON THE

01:08:04.313 --> 01:08:05.915
FUNDS THEY COLLECTED FOR A LONG

01:08:05.981 --> 01:08:07.082
TIME, BUT THEY'VE NOW LAUNCHED

01:08:07.149 --> 01:08:09.585
THE PROGRAM. IT'S CALLED RIDE

01:08:09.652 --> 01:08:10.286
RIDESHARE INCENTIVES FOR

01:08:10.352 --> 01:08:12.455
DRIVING ELECTRIC, AND THEY ARE

01:08:12.521 --> 01:08:16.425
OFFERING UP TO 20,300 TO A

01:08:16.492 --> 01:08:19.328
CERTAIN CATEGORY OF TNC DRIVERS

01:08:19.395 --> 01:08:21.397
TO EITHER PURCHASE OR LEASE A

01:08:21.464 --> 01:08:25.401
NEW EV, AND UP TO 14,200 TO FOR

01:08:25.468 --> 01:08:27.570
A USED EV. SO IT'S QUITE A

01:08:27.636 --> 01:08:29.004
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDS,

01:08:29.071 --> 01:08:31.907
AND I HOPE THAT TNC DRIVERS ARE

01:08:31.974 --> 01:08:34.443
ARE GETTING ENOUGH AWARENESS OF

01:08:34.510 --> 01:08:36.979
IT. AND IT'S BEING PROMOTED

01:08:37.046 --> 01:08:40.216
FAIRLY OR RATHER AGGRESSIVELY.

01:08:40.282 --> 01:08:41.684
NOW TO GET TO THE ACTIONS, I

01:08:41.750 --> 01:08:44.153
THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER. I

01:08:44.220 --> 01:08:46.322
THINK THAT MY FIRST EV IS A

01:08:46.388 --> 01:08:48.090
BRILLIANT PROGRAM AND THE

01:08:48.157 --> 01:08:49.091
LEGISLATURE SHOULD CONTINUE IT.

01:08:49.158 --> 01:08:50.292
THE NEW GOVERNOR SHOULD

01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:52.094
CONTINUE IT, AND PART OF ITS

01:08:52.161 --> 01:08:53.128
BRILLIANCE. BESIDES THAT, IT'S

01:08:53.195 --> 01:08:54.597
AN INCENTIVE AND HELPS

01:08:54.663 --> 01:08:56.732
CALIFORNIANS GO TO EVS. IS THAT

01:08:56.799 --> 01:08:59.602
IT? IT WAS DESIGNED. IT MADE

01:08:59.668 --> 01:09:01.704
THE AUTOMAKERS THEMSELVES HAVE

01:09:01.770 --> 01:09:03.939
SKIN IN THE GAME. THEY HAD TO

01:09:04.006 --> 01:09:06.475
CONTRIBUTE ALSO. SO IT'S REALLY

01:09:06.542 --> 01:09:07.676
TRUE THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST

01:09:07.743 --> 01:09:10.479
PRESSURES WE HAVE IS AUTOMAKERS

01:09:10.546 --> 01:09:12.982
PULLING BACK FROM THEIR MAKING

01:09:13.048 --> 01:09:14.717
OF EVS OR THEIR SUPPORTING OF

01:09:14.783 --> 01:09:16.652
EVS, AND WE NEED THEM TO STAY

01:09:16.719 --> 01:09:18.220
COMMITTED BECAUSE WE'RE

01:09:18.287 --> 01:09:19.722
CONTINUING TO BE COMMITTED AND

01:09:19.788 --> 01:09:22.591
OUR RESIDENTS WANT EVS. SO THE

01:09:22.658 --> 01:09:24.026
BRILLIANCE OF MY FIRST EV IS

01:09:24.093 --> 01:09:25.094
THAT THE AUTOMAKERS HAVE TO

01:09:25.160 --> 01:09:26.929
HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME, AND IT'S

01:09:26.996 --> 01:09:28.764
A GOOD PROGRAM, SO WE SHOULD

01:09:28.831 --> 01:09:29.932
CONTINUE IT. I THINK WE SHOULD

01:09:29.999 --> 01:09:31.800
ALSO CONTINUE AND STRENGTHEN

01:09:31.867 --> 01:09:33.736
THE PROGRAM FOR TNC DRIVERS,

01:09:33.802 --> 01:09:35.371
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA,

01:09:35.437 --> 01:09:38.040
THE VMT, THE MILES DRIVEN BY

01:09:38.107 --> 01:09:40.910
TNC JUST KEEPS INCREASING EVERY

01:09:40.976 --> 01:09:43.445
YEAR. SO EVERY MILE THAT THEY

01:09:43.512 --> 01:09:45.247
DRIVE THAT IS IN A COMBUSTION

01:09:45.314 --> 01:09:47.616
ENGINE IS CREATING POLLUTION.

01:09:47.683 --> 01:09:49.585
SO WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET

01:09:49.652 --> 01:09:51.387
THEM OUT OF THOSE TYPE OF CARS

01:09:51.453 --> 01:09:54.223
IS THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. SO IT

01:09:54.290 --> 01:09:56.392
SHOULD BE EXPANDED AND NOT AT

01:09:56.458 --> 01:09:59.295
ALL SHRUNK. AND THEN I THINK WE

01:09:59.361 --> 01:10:01.463
NEED TO PROVIDE SOME MORE

01:10:01.530 --> 01:10:03.566
FUNDING FOR THE GAPS IN EV

01:10:03.632 --> 01:10:04.700
INFRASTRUCTURE, SPECIFICALLY

01:10:04.767 --> 01:10:06.902
FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING,

01:10:06.969 --> 01:10:08.470
BECAUSE THE THE PRIVATE SECTOR

01:10:08.537 --> 01:10:10.105
IS NOT REALLY GOING TO MAKE UP

01:10:10.172 --> 01:10:11.273
THAT GAP. SO WE'RE GOING TO

01:10:11.340 --> 01:10:13.075
NEED TO USE PUBLIC FUNDS TO

01:10:13.142 --> 01:10:15.878
HELP GET CHARGERS IN APARTMENT

01:10:15.945 --> 01:10:17.279
BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY THE OLDER

01:10:17.346 --> 01:10:18.747
ONES, WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF

01:10:18.814 --> 01:10:20.182
ELECTRICAL UPGRADES NEEDED TO

01:10:20.249 --> 01:10:22.351
DO SO. BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF

01:10:22.418 --> 01:10:23.819
THE THINGS THAT I RECOMMEND FOR

01:10:23.886 --> 01:10:25.955
YOU AS YOU'RE THINKING OF GOING

01:10:26.021 --> 01:10:27.389
FORWARD. AND I THINK NOW I

01:10:27.456 --> 01:10:30.225
WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE SPENCER

01:10:30.292 --> 01:10:32.428
REEDER, WHO IS OUR NEW DIRECTOR

01:10:32.494 --> 01:10:34.597
OF OUR FUELS AND TRANSPORTATION

01:10:34.663 --> 01:10:35.965
DIVISION AT THE ENERGY

01:10:36.031 --> 01:10:37.499
COMMISSION, AND THAT'S THE

01:10:37.566 --> 01:10:39.234
DIVISION THAT IS UNDER MY

01:10:39.301 --> 01:10:40.603
PURVIEW AS A COMMISSIONER. I

01:10:40.669 --> 01:10:41.904
HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS WITHIN

01:10:41.971 --> 01:10:44.306
MY PURVIEW, BUT THE FUELS AND

01:10:44.373 --> 01:10:45.741
TRANSPORTATION IS PRIMARILY.

01:10:45.808 --> 01:10:47.242
AND SPENCER IS A GREAT ADDITION

01:10:47.309 --> 01:10:48.677
TO OUR TEAM. SO LET ME TURN IT

01:10:48.744 --> 01:10:51.513
OVER TO SPENCER. ALL RIGHT.

01:10:51.580 --> 01:10:53.616
THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

01:10:53.682 --> 01:10:54.717
COMMISSIONER SKINNER. I JUST

01:10:54.783 --> 01:10:56.518
HAVE TO SAY, WE ARE VERY

01:10:56.585 --> 01:10:57.953
FORTUNATE THAT YOUR EXPERIENCE

01:10:58.020 --> 01:11:00.522
AS A SENATOR WAS NOT LOST AND

01:11:00.589 --> 01:11:03.759
THAT YOU ARE STILL REPRESENTING

01:11:03.826 --> 01:11:06.295
AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD ON CÁC.

01:11:06.362 --> 01:11:07.363
WE'RE WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT

01:11:07.429 --> 01:11:09.465
THAT. AND AND, YOU KNOW, OVER

01:11:09.531 --> 01:11:10.599
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS,

01:11:10.666 --> 01:11:12.067
THINGS HAVE REALLY IMPROVED.

01:11:12.134 --> 01:11:13.802
WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF TRIPS

01:11:13.869 --> 01:11:16.739
FROM LA UP TO SACRAMENTO, AND

01:11:16.805 --> 01:11:18.440
THERE ARE A LOT MORE CHARGERS

01:11:18.507 --> 01:11:19.642
ALONG THE WAY NOW. SO I THINK

01:11:19.708 --> 01:11:21.443
THAT'S ONE INDICATION THAT WE

01:11:21.510 --> 01:11:22.511
ARE DEFINITELY MOVING IN THE

01:11:22.578 --> 01:11:24.613
RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU,

01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:27.149
THANK YOU. THANK YOU,

01:11:27.216 --> 01:11:29.351
COMMISSIONER SKINNER. YES,

01:11:29.418 --> 01:11:31.453
CHAIR. ASSEMBLYMEMBER NGUYEN

01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:33.222
AND SENATOR STERN, NICE TO SEE

01:11:33.288 --> 01:11:35.357
YOU. YEAH, I AM I'M BRAND NEW.

01:11:35.424 --> 01:11:36.525
I'M NEWER THAN MY COLLEAGUE

01:11:36.592 --> 01:11:37.960
HERE FROM CARB. I'M ABOUT SIX

01:11:38.027 --> 01:11:40.796
MONTHS IN AND I THINK, YOU KNOW,

01:11:40.863 --> 01:11:42.197
AND SENATOR STERN KNOWS I COME

01:11:42.264 --> 01:11:44.066
FROM THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY. I

01:11:44.133 --> 01:11:45.834
RAN SUSTAINABILITY AND

01:11:45.901 --> 01:11:47.603
GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR, FOR A

01:11:47.670 --> 01:11:49.471
COMPANY FOR EIGHT YEARS. AND

01:11:49.538 --> 01:11:50.906
I'M NOW ON THE CALIFORNIA TEAM.

01:11:50.973 --> 01:11:52.908
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE

01:11:52.975 --> 01:11:56.278
WORKING ON THESE ISSUES. THE

01:11:56.345 --> 01:11:57.379
SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT WE ARE

01:11:57.446 --> 01:11:59.882
DOING AT THIS MOMENT IS HARD TO

01:11:59.948 --> 01:12:01.283
OVERSTATE. THERE ARE SO MANY

01:12:01.350 --> 01:12:03.452
HEADWINDS AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN

01:12:03.519 --> 01:12:05.621
ROOTING FOR OUR DEMISE. I THINK,

01:12:05.688 --> 01:12:07.289
YOU KNOW, USE THE MARK TWAIN

01:12:07.356 --> 01:12:09.591
QUOTE. SO I THINK WHAT WE

01:12:09.658 --> 01:12:11.026
COLLECTIVELY ARE DOING HERE IS

01:12:11.093 --> 01:12:13.195
QUITE IMPORTANT. AND I'VE ALSO

01:12:13.262 --> 01:12:14.630
DRIVEN BETWEEN SACRAMENTO AND

01:12:14.697 --> 01:12:17.866
LA FOUR TIMES. AND WHAT MY

01:12:17.933 --> 01:12:19.001
TECHNIQUE WAS EARLY ON WAS TO

01:12:19.068 --> 01:12:20.869
BRING IN THEIR FOOTBALL. SO MY

01:12:20.936 --> 01:12:22.037
SON AND I COULD GO IN THE

01:12:22.104 --> 01:12:23.939
PARKING LOT AND THROW WHILE WE

01:12:24.006 --> 01:12:25.007
WERE WAITING, BECAUSE I ALSO

01:12:25.074 --> 01:12:26.241
HAD THOSE SAME EXPERIENCES, THE

01:12:26.308 --> 01:12:27.209
POUNDING AGAINST THE WINDOW,

01:12:27.276 --> 01:12:29.011
LIKE, WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG?

01:12:29.078 --> 01:12:30.946
AND I KNOW WE TALKED IN MY

01:12:31.013 --> 01:12:32.247
PRIOR CAPACITY ABOUT THE

01:12:32.314 --> 01:12:34.083
RELIABILITY AND THE EASE OF

01:12:34.149 --> 01:12:35.884
CHARGING. AND SO I WILL SAY IN

01:12:35.951 --> 01:12:37.686
MY NEW ROLE AS THE DIRECTOR OF

01:12:37.753 --> 01:12:39.488
THIS DIVISION, I'VE ESTABLISHED

01:12:39.555 --> 01:12:41.323
THREE NORTH STARS FOR OUR WORK,

01:12:41.390 --> 01:12:42.591
AND THIS WAS IN COLLABORATION

01:12:42.658 --> 01:12:43.559
WITH COMMISSIONER SKINNER AND

01:12:43.625 --> 01:12:45.227
CHAIR HOCHSCHILD. WE ALL SAT

01:12:45.294 --> 01:12:47.029
TOGETHER IN A STRATEGY SESSION,

01:12:47.096 --> 01:12:48.297
AND I WANT TO SHARE THEM WITH

01:12:48.363 --> 01:12:50.265
YOU BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE

01:12:50.332 --> 01:12:52.434
INDICATIVE OF WHERE WE NEED TO

01:12:52.501 --> 01:12:53.836
FOCUS AND HEAD AND WHERE THE

01:12:53.902 --> 01:12:56.038
INVESTMENT SHOULD FOCUS. THE

01:12:56.105 --> 01:12:58.907
FIRST NORTH STAR IS EVERYTHING

01:12:58.974 --> 01:13:00.342
THAT WE'RE DOING AT THE ENERGY

01:13:00.409 --> 01:13:01.343
COMMISSION, IN COLLABORATION

01:13:01.410 --> 01:13:02.511
WITH OUR PARTNERS AT OTHER

01:13:02.578 --> 01:13:05.380
STATE AGENCIES. AGENCIES SHOULD

01:13:05.447 --> 01:13:08.617
IMPROVE THE DRIVER EXPERIENCE.

01:13:08.684 --> 01:13:10.486
WE HAVE TO PAUSE ANYTHING THAT

01:13:10.552 --> 01:13:12.454
WE'RE DOING IN ANY PROGRAM. ARE

01:13:12.521 --> 01:13:13.655
WE IMPROVING THE DRIVER

01:13:13.722 --> 01:13:14.656
EXPERIENCE? WE CERTAINLY SHOULD

01:13:14.723 --> 01:13:16.525
NOT BE MAKING IT WORSE. SO

01:13:16.592 --> 01:13:18.093
THAT'S THE FIRST FIRST TEST.

01:13:18.160 --> 01:13:19.628
THE SECOND IS MORE OF A

01:13:19.695 --> 01:13:20.763
STATEMENT THAT I WANT ALL THE

01:13:20.829 --> 01:13:22.631
FOLKS IN MY DIVISION TO THINK

01:13:22.698 --> 01:13:25.234
ABOUT. AND THAT IS AND YOU'LL I

01:13:25.300 --> 01:13:27.236
THINK THIS WILL RESONATE WITH

01:13:27.302 --> 01:13:29.171
YOU. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. CHAU.

01:13:29.238 --> 01:13:30.572
THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN NOT

01:13:30.639 --> 01:13:32.307
HAVING A CHARGER WHERE YOU WANT

01:13:32.374 --> 01:13:34.610
IT IS HAVING A CHARGER WHERE

01:13:34.676 --> 01:13:38.180
YOU WANT IT THAT YOU CANNOT USE.

01:13:38.247 --> 01:13:39.281
THAT'S FAR WORSE, RIGHT? IF

01:13:39.348 --> 01:13:40.516
THERE'S NOT A CHARGER WHERE YOU

01:13:40.582 --> 01:13:42.284
NEED IT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO

01:13:42.351 --> 01:13:43.552
MAKE PLANS ACCORDINGLY. BUT IF

01:13:43.619 --> 01:13:45.220
YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE

01:13:45.287 --> 01:13:46.288
ABLE TO CHARGE SOMEWHERE AND

01:13:46.355 --> 01:13:48.223
YOU GET THERE AND YOU CAN'T FOR

01:13:48.290 --> 01:13:49.291
WHATEVER REASON, THAT'S FAR

01:13:49.358 --> 01:13:51.093
WORSE. SO THAT'S THE SECOND

01:13:51.160 --> 01:13:52.561
TEST. AND THIS IS OUR

01:13:52.628 --> 01:13:53.729
REGULATORY WORK, WHICH I'LL

01:13:53.796 --> 01:13:55.097
TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY, IS TO

01:13:55.164 --> 01:13:56.165
ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. AND I

01:13:56.231 --> 01:13:57.933
KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE PASSED

01:13:58.000 --> 01:13:59.034
LEGISLATION TO ADDRESS THAT

01:13:59.101 --> 01:14:03.071
ISSUE. THE THIRD NORTH STAR IS

01:14:03.138 --> 01:14:04.673
THAT WHATEVER WE'RE DOING IN

01:14:04.740 --> 01:14:07.709
OUR WORK AT THE STATE SHOULD BE

01:14:07.776 --> 01:14:10.179
KEENLY AWARE OF THE ADDED COST,

01:14:10.245 --> 01:14:12.347
SO THAT THE COST TO CHARGE OR

01:14:12.414 --> 01:14:14.850
FILL YOUR BATTERY WITH FUEL

01:14:14.917 --> 01:14:15.918
ELECTRONS IN THIS CASE, OR

01:14:15.984 --> 01:14:18.487
HYDROGEN FUEL, SHOULD NEVER

01:14:18.554 --> 01:14:20.622
EXCEED OR RARELY EXCEED THE

01:14:20.689 --> 01:14:22.024
COST THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO FILL

01:14:22.090 --> 01:14:23.458
AN EQUIVALENT GAS VEHICLE.

01:14:23.525 --> 01:14:24.993
BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE GET

01:14:25.060 --> 01:14:26.728
INVERTED IN THAT THE WRONG WAY,

01:14:26.795 --> 01:14:28.163
THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY

01:14:28.230 --> 01:14:30.365
WHY? WE KNOW THE FOR THE

01:14:30.432 --> 01:14:31.900
RESIDENTS OF AFFORDABILITY. SO

01:14:31.967 --> 01:14:33.435
SO I OFFER THOSE THREE IS

01:14:33.502 --> 01:14:34.436
SOMETHING THAT I'VE BROUGHT

01:14:34.503 --> 01:14:35.637
INTO MY NEW ROLE. AND AGAIN,

01:14:35.704 --> 01:14:36.672
THIS WAS DEVELOPED IN

01:14:36.738 --> 01:14:37.673
COLLABORATION WITH COMMISSIONER

01:14:37.739 --> 01:14:39.575
SKINNER AND CHAIR HOCHSCHILD.

01:14:39.641 --> 01:14:40.809
AND I THINK THESE ARE IMPORTANT

01:14:40.876 --> 01:14:42.277
GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR OUR WORK.

01:14:42.344 --> 01:14:43.745
I WANT TO SHARE ONE OTHER THING

01:14:43.812 --> 01:14:45.480
BEFORE I GET INTO THE SLIDES,

01:14:45.547 --> 01:14:47.282
BECAUSE I THINK THIS KIND OF

01:14:47.349 --> 01:14:48.417
TRIVIA IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND

01:14:48.483 --> 01:14:50.652
IT SETS THE STAGE FOR WHAT YOU

01:14:50.719 --> 01:14:53.021
ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND I'D

01:14:53.088 --> 01:14:54.723
EVEN INVITE YOU TO, TO SEE IF

01:14:54.790 --> 01:14:55.924
YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

01:14:55.991 --> 01:14:58.794
GUESS HOW MANY MILES A DAY ARE

01:14:58.861 --> 01:15:00.963
DRIVEN ON THE ROAD IN

01:15:01.029 --> 01:15:02.297
CALIFORNIA? LET'S TAKE A WILD

01:15:02.364 --> 01:15:03.432
GUESS. HOW MANY MILES PER DAY

01:15:03.498 --> 01:15:05.367
ARE DRIVEN BY VEHICLES ON ROADS

01:15:05.434 --> 01:15:09.338
IN CALIFORNIA? 1212 MILES.

01:15:09.404 --> 01:15:12.474
THAT'S HOW MANY YOU DRIVE. A

01:15:12.541 --> 01:15:13.942
MILLION OH OH A MILLION MILES

01:15:14.009 --> 01:15:16.111
PER DAY. HOW MANY MILES PER DAY?

01:15:16.178 --> 01:15:17.145
TOTAL IN AGGREGATE. ALL THE

01:15:17.212 --> 01:15:18.914
ROAD MILES DRIVEN IN THE STATE

01:15:18.981 --> 01:15:23.986
OF CALIFORNIA PER DAY. 2.7

01:15:24.052 --> 01:15:28.690
6,000,002.7 6,000,900 MILLION

01:15:28.757 --> 01:15:33.662
MILES PER DAY. BETWEEN 320 AND

01:15:33.729 --> 01:15:36.565
330 BILLION MILES PER YEAR IN

01:15:36.632 --> 01:15:39.401
CALIFORNIA, JUST CALIFORNIA. SO

01:15:39.468 --> 01:15:41.637
THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE TALKING

01:15:41.703 --> 01:15:44.172
ABOUT TODAY, WHEN YOU DO THE

01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:45.574
MATH WITH THAT KIND OF MILEAGE,

01:15:45.641 --> 01:15:47.376
THEY MEAN SOMETHING. THEY

01:15:47.442 --> 01:15:49.177
RESULT IN GREENHOUSE GAS

01:15:49.244 --> 01:15:50.579
REDUCTIONS. THEY RESULT IN AIR

01:15:50.646 --> 01:15:51.446
QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU

01:15:51.513 --> 01:15:53.849
TALKED ABOUT. MY PARENTS MET AT

01:15:53.916 --> 01:15:55.751
PALISADES HIGH. A WALK FROM

01:15:55.817 --> 01:15:57.019
HERE, RIGHT? MY MOM WENT TO

01:15:57.085 --> 01:15:58.253
SCHOOL HERE. THIS IS THE FIRST

01:15:58.320 --> 01:15:59.988
TIME I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ON

01:16:00.055 --> 01:16:01.857
CAMPUS. SHE LEFT COLLEGE EARLY

01:16:01.924 --> 01:16:03.525
TO MARRY MY DAD. THAT'S A WHOLE

01:16:03.592 --> 01:16:06.461
DIFFERENT STORY. SO THIS

01:16:06.528 --> 01:16:08.397
RESONATES. I MEAN, I WAS ONE OF

01:16:08.463 --> 01:16:09.431
THE AUTHORS. I HAVE A

01:16:09.498 --> 01:16:11.133
BACKGROUND IN CLIMATE SCIENCE.

01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:13.268
I CAME TO MY JOB IN THE AUTO

01:16:13.335 --> 01:16:14.870
INDUSTRY TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE,

01:16:14.937 --> 01:16:16.071
TO WORK ON ELECTRIFICATION.

01:16:16.138 --> 01:16:17.973
THAT WAS WHY I JOINED THE

01:16:18.040 --> 01:16:20.509
COMPANY. I JOINED AT THE TIME

01:16:20.575 --> 01:16:22.311
IN THE 2014 NATIONAL CLIMATE

01:16:22.377 --> 01:16:23.612
ASSESSMENT, WHICH I WAS AN

01:16:23.679 --> 01:16:24.746
AUTHOR ON AS A CLIMATE

01:16:24.813 --> 01:16:26.615
SCIENTIST, WE WERE PROJECTING

01:16:26.682 --> 01:16:29.117
THE DRAMATIC INCREASE IN FIRES,

01:16:29.184 --> 01:16:30.786
AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT

01:16:30.852 --> 01:16:32.020
HERE. RIGHT? SO THIS THIS IS

01:16:32.087 --> 01:16:33.789
DEEPLY PERSONAL FOR ME AS WELL.

01:16:33.855 --> 01:16:35.791
SO I JUST WANT TO OFFER THAT AS

01:16:35.857 --> 01:16:36.892
CONTEXT. IT'S GREAT TO BE ON

01:16:36.959 --> 01:16:38.860
THE TEAM HERE IN THE STATE OF

01:16:38.927 --> 01:16:39.895
CALIFORNIA. REALLY PROUD TO BE

01:16:39.962 --> 01:16:41.129
AT THE ENERGY COMMISSION.

01:16:41.196 --> 01:16:42.130
TALKED A LOT WITH CHAIR

01:16:42.197 --> 01:16:43.765
HOCHSCHILD AS I WAS CONSIDERING

01:16:43.832 --> 01:16:45.000
MY NEXT MOVE AFTER LEAVING THE

01:16:45.067 --> 01:16:46.768
INDUSTRY. AND IT'S GREAT TO BE

01:16:46.835 --> 01:16:48.003
HERE, SO I'LL MOVE THROUGH THIS.

01:16:48.070 --> 01:16:48.904
LUCKILY, COMMISSIONER SKINNER

01:16:48.971 --> 01:16:50.772
HIGHLIGHTED A LOT OF WHAT I'M

01:16:50.839 --> 01:16:52.274
HERE TO TALK ABOUT, SO I'LL BE

01:16:52.341 --> 01:16:53.442
ABLE TO MOVE THROUGH THAT

01:16:53.508 --> 01:16:58.647
PRETTY QUICKLY. THE FIRST. SO

01:16:58.714 --> 01:17:00.082
I'LL RUN THROUGH OUR CLEAN

01:17:00.148 --> 01:17:00.682
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, WHICH

01:17:00.749 --> 01:17:02.351
IS THE CENTERPIECE PROGRAM AT

01:17:02.417 --> 01:17:03.785
THE ENERGY COMMISSION. I'LL

01:17:03.852 --> 01:17:05.687
GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A

01:17:05.754 --> 01:17:06.254
REGULATORY UPDATE, ALTHOUGH

01:17:06.321 --> 01:17:08.023
COMMISSIONER SKINNER LARGELY

01:17:08.090 --> 01:17:09.124
COVERED THAT. AND THEN I'LL

01:17:09.191 --> 01:17:10.359
TALK ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT

01:17:10.425 --> 01:17:12.027
WE PROVIDE THE PUBLIC AND OUR

01:17:12.094 --> 01:17:14.196
STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT OUR PROGRESS.

01:17:14.262 --> 01:17:15.931
SO THESE ARE THE HEADLINES THAT

01:17:15.998 --> 01:17:16.665
COMMISSIONER SKINNER WALKED

01:17:16.732 --> 01:17:20.335
THROUGH. 19.1% SALES FOR ALL

01:17:20.402 --> 01:17:22.471
NEW SALES IN QUARTER THREE IN

01:17:22.537 --> 01:17:25.474
CALIFORNIA, 16.3.4, DEPENDING

01:17:25.540 --> 01:17:27.042
ON HOW YOU DO THE MATH. WE'RE

01:17:27.109 --> 01:17:28.577
ALL ELECTRIC, SO THAT'S GREAT.

01:17:28.643 --> 01:17:30.612
AND THE 6.4 NATIONALLY IS ALSO

01:17:30.679 --> 01:17:32.147
FOR THE ALL ELECTRIC. SO WE ARE

01:17:32.214 --> 01:17:34.016
LEADING THE WAY. WE ACCOUNT FOR

01:17:34.082 --> 01:17:36.084
MORE THAN A QUARTER OF NATIONAL

01:17:36.151 --> 01:17:37.552
BATTERY ELECTRIC VEHICLE SALES

01:17:37.619 --> 01:17:38.620
IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

01:17:38.687 --> 01:17:40.422
ALONE. SO WE ARE THE LEADER.

01:17:40.489 --> 01:17:41.857
AND YOU SAW THE FIGURE OR YOU

01:17:41.923 --> 01:17:43.458
SEE THE FIGURE HERE THAT

01:17:43.525 --> 01:17:44.359
COMMISSIONER SKINNER TALKED

01:17:44.426 --> 01:17:46.228
ABOUT, THE ALMOST QUARTER OF A

01:17:46.294 --> 01:17:47.329
MILLION PUBLIC AND LIMITED

01:17:47.396 --> 01:17:49.765
ACCESS CHARGERS. SO WE'RE ABOUT

01:17:49.831 --> 01:17:51.266
47% OF THE WAY TO SUPPORT THAT

01:17:51.333 --> 01:17:55.637
2030 GOAL. SO THIS IS A VIEW OF

01:17:55.704 --> 01:17:57.339
THE LAST DECADE OR SO

01:17:57.406 --> 01:17:58.774
INVESTMENT FROM THE ENERGY

01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:00.142
COMMISSION IN INFRASTRUCTURE.

01:18:00.208 --> 01:18:01.676
AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S DOMINATED

01:18:01.743 --> 01:18:03.145
BY MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY

01:18:03.211 --> 01:18:06.748
INFRASTRUCTURE. OVER $1 BILLION,

01:18:06.815 --> 01:18:08.150
836 MILLION IN LIGHT DUTIES OF

01:18:08.216 --> 01:18:08.917
INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THE LAST

01:18:08.984 --> 01:18:10.685
DECADE. THIS TOTALS TO ABOUT

01:18:10.752 --> 01:18:11.753
2.6 BILLION IN TOTAL INVESTMENT

01:18:11.820 --> 01:18:14.623
IN INFRASTRUCTURE. WE CAN WALK

01:18:14.689 --> 01:18:16.391
THROUGH SOME OF THESE IN DETAIL

01:18:16.458 --> 01:18:18.226
IF WE WANT. THIS IS FROM THE

01:18:18.293 --> 01:18:20.028
VEHICLE FEES THAT THAT FORM THE

01:18:20.095 --> 01:18:21.596
FOUNDATIONAL BASIS OF FUNDING

01:18:21.663 --> 01:18:23.632
THAT WAS REAUTHORIZED THROUGH

01:18:23.698 --> 01:18:25.400
2035 THANKS TO THE THE

01:18:25.467 --> 01:18:26.601
LEGISLATURE, LEGISLATURE ACTING

01:18:26.668 --> 01:18:28.670
ON THAT, WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME

01:18:28.737 --> 01:18:30.138
ONE TIME FUNDING FROM THE GRF

01:18:30.205 --> 01:18:31.673
AND THE GENERAL FUND. SO THIS

01:18:31.740 --> 01:18:33.341
IS ALL OF THAT. COMBINED. CORE

01:18:33.408 --> 01:18:35.143
FUNDING IS ABOUT 100 MILLION A

01:18:35.210 --> 01:18:36.845
YEAR. AND AS MY COLLEAGUE FROM

01:18:36.912 --> 01:18:38.180
CARB SAID, WE WORK TOGETHER

01:18:38.246 --> 01:18:39.281
WITH THE OTHER AGENCIES TO MAKE

01:18:39.347 --> 01:18:41.283
SURE THIS IS COORDINATED AND

01:18:41.349 --> 01:18:44.986
SYNERGISTIC INVESTMENTS. HERE'S

01:18:45.053 --> 01:18:46.655
A FEW HIGHLIGHTS FROM THAT

01:18:46.721 --> 01:18:49.858
PROGRAM. OVER 52,000 INSTALLED

01:18:49.925 --> 01:18:52.794
OR PLANNED INSTALLED CHARGERS.

01:18:52.861 --> 01:18:55.697
A NUMBER OF HYDROGEN FUELING

01:18:55.764 --> 01:18:57.099
STATIONS. WE'VE GOT

01:18:57.165 --> 01:18:58.533
MANUFACTURING INVESTMENTS. WE

01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:00.368
PERIOD OF TIME BACK IN 2018

01:19:00.435 --> 01:19:02.704
2019, ALMOST 230 ELECTRIC

01:19:02.771 --> 01:19:04.439
SCHOOL BUSSES AND THEN A NUMBER

01:19:04.506 --> 01:19:06.108
OF WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAMS.

01:19:06.174 --> 01:19:07.809
SO IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE

01:19:07.876 --> 01:19:10.045
CHARGERS, IT'S ABOUT A RANGE OF

01:19:10.112 --> 01:19:11.146
ACTIVITIES. AND AGAIN, REALLY

01:19:11.213 --> 01:19:12.280
IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE WORKING

01:19:12.347 --> 01:19:13.648
IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR

01:19:13.715 --> 01:19:14.816
COLLEAGUES AT CAL STATE AT CARB

01:19:14.883 --> 01:19:17.252
TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE ALL

01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:20.856
LEVERAGED INVESTMENTS. ON THE

01:19:20.922 --> 01:19:21.923
REGULATORY SIDE. AS

01:19:21.990 --> 01:19:22.824
COMMISSIONER SKINNER WALKED

01:19:22.891 --> 01:19:23.758
THROUGH, WE HAVE THE

01:19:23.825 --> 01:19:25.193
RELIABILITY RAG IN PLACE. WE'RE

01:19:25.260 --> 01:19:27.696
IN PRE ROLL MAKING FOR A

01:19:27.762 --> 01:19:28.530
PAYMENTS RAG. AND THIS IS

01:19:28.597 --> 01:19:29.831
REALLY ABOUT MAKING CHARGING

01:19:29.898 --> 01:19:31.533
EASIER, RIGHT. CAN YOU USE A

01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:32.667
CREDIT CARD. CAN YOU USE TAP

01:19:32.734 --> 01:19:34.536
AND PAY. WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS.

01:19:34.603 --> 01:19:36.371
IS IT RELIABLE. CAN PEOPLE KNOW

01:19:36.438 --> 01:19:37.873
THAT THEY CAN GO TO ANY STATION

01:19:37.939 --> 01:19:39.941
AND GET A CHARGE? THE ROAMING

01:19:40.008 --> 01:19:41.376
REGULATION PLUG IN CHARGE FOR

01:19:41.443 --> 01:19:42.444
THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE

01:19:42.511 --> 01:19:43.712
EXPERIENCED THAT TECHNOLOGY,

01:19:43.778 --> 01:19:44.746
IT'S PRETTY WONDERFUL. THERE'S

01:19:44.813 --> 01:19:46.148
A DIGITAL HANDSHAKE BETWEEN THE

01:19:46.214 --> 01:19:48.950
CHARGER AND THE VEHICLE YOU CAN

01:19:49.017 --> 01:19:50.318
PLUG IN. YOU WALK AWAY, GET A

01:19:50.385 --> 01:19:51.853
CUP OF COFFEE, IT INITIATES THE

01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:53.688
CHARGE. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT IN

01:19:53.755 --> 01:19:55.524
THE STATE. THIS IS WHERE WE

01:19:55.590 --> 01:19:56.758
WANT TO DRIVE THE INDUSTRY. AND

01:19:56.825 --> 01:19:59.227
SO WE HAVE REGULATORY ACTIVITY

01:19:59.294 --> 01:20:02.264
IN THAT SPACE. AND THEN ALSO

01:20:02.330 --> 01:20:03.398
SOMETHING THAT GOT A LOT OF

01:20:03.465 --> 01:20:04.466
MEDIA ATTENTION A FEW WEEKS

01:20:04.533 --> 01:20:06.268
BACK WAS OUR REPLACEMENT TIRE

01:20:06.334 --> 01:20:07.969
EFFICIENCY REGULATION. BUT

01:20:08.036 --> 01:20:09.104
AGAIN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE

01:20:09.171 --> 01:20:10.705
NUMBER OF MILES DRIVEN EVERY

01:20:10.772 --> 01:20:11.740
DAY, IF YOU'RE IMPROVING THE

01:20:11.806 --> 01:20:13.408
TIRE EFFICIENCY BY A FEW

01:20:13.475 --> 01:20:14.943
PERCENTAGE POINTS, THAT'S ADDS

01:20:15.010 --> 01:20:16.678
UP QUICKLY. AND WHEN THIS

01:20:16.745 --> 01:20:18.113
REGULATION IS FULLY IMPLEMENTED

01:20:18.180 --> 01:20:20.315
IN 2037, WHEN ALL THE

01:20:20.382 --> 01:20:21.349
REPLACEMENT TIRES MEET THIS

01:20:21.416 --> 01:20:22.350
STANDARD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

01:20:22.417 --> 01:20:24.519
ROUGHLY $1 BILLION IN SAVINGS

01:20:24.586 --> 01:20:26.021
FOR CALIFORNIA DRIVERS. THAT'S

01:20:26.087 --> 01:20:27.822
HUGE, MASSIVE GREENHOUSE GAS

01:20:27.889 --> 01:20:29.991
REDUCTIONS, A BUNCH OF CRITERIA,

01:20:30.058 --> 01:20:31.860
POLLUTANT BENEFITS AS WELL. SO

01:20:31.927 --> 01:20:33.228
AGAIN, A VERY IMPORTANT

01:20:33.295 --> 01:20:34.396
REGULATION. IN FACT, THE HEAD

01:20:34.462 --> 01:20:36.898
OF CALSTAR I SAW A WEEK AGO AND

01:20:36.965 --> 01:20:38.934
I SAID, OH, WHAT DO YOU THINK

01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:40.769
ABOUT THE TIRE EFFICIENCY

01:20:40.835 --> 01:20:41.870
REGULATION? HE GOES, OH, IT'S

01:20:41.937 --> 01:20:42.938
GREAT. I SAID, YOU KNOW,

01:20:43.004 --> 01:20:44.005
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF

01:20:44.072 --> 01:20:45.774
CONTROVERSY AROUND THAT. AND HE

01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:46.841
SAID, WELL, HOW SPENCER, HOW

01:20:46.908 --> 01:20:48.443
COULD THERE BE CONTROVERSY

01:20:48.510 --> 01:20:49.044
AROUND THIS? IT'S SUCH A WIN

01:20:49.110 --> 01:20:50.779
WIN KIND OF REGULATION. BUT

01:20:50.845 --> 01:20:52.013
AGAIN, WE GET SORT OF CAUGHT UP

01:20:52.080 --> 01:20:53.915
IN SOME OF THE RHETORIC AROUND

01:20:53.982 --> 01:20:54.883
GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. THE THING

01:20:54.950 --> 01:20:56.017
THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT,

01:20:56.084 --> 01:20:57.852
IT'S ON THIS SLIDE HERE ON THE

01:20:57.919 --> 01:20:59.120
TIRE EFFICIENCY REGULATION, IS

01:20:59.187 --> 01:21:00.922
CONSUMER INFORMATION. YOU SEE

01:21:00.989 --> 01:21:02.390
THOSE LEAFS, THE FUEL

01:21:02.457 --> 01:21:05.260
EFFICIENCY CLASS. THINK ABOUT

01:21:05.327 --> 01:21:06.695
WHENEVER YOU BOUGHT REPLACEMENT

01:21:06.761 --> 01:21:07.796
TIRES FOR YOUR VEHICLE. WHAT

01:21:07.862 --> 01:21:10.298
KIND OF INFORMATION DID YOU

01:21:10.365 --> 01:21:11.433
RECEIVE ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY OF

01:21:11.499 --> 01:21:14.102
THE TIRE? PROBABLY NOTHING.

01:21:14.169 --> 01:21:16.037
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN THE

01:21:16.104 --> 01:21:17.872
COUNTRY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE

01:21:17.939 --> 01:21:19.341
REQUIRING TIRE MANUFACTURERS TO

01:21:19.407 --> 01:21:21.109
GIVE YOU AN INDICATION OF THE

01:21:21.176 --> 01:21:22.177
EFFICIENCY OF THAT TIRE, SO

01:21:22.244 --> 01:21:23.245
CONSUMERS CAN MAKE AN INFORMED

01:21:23.311 --> 01:21:26.114
CHOICE. WHY THIS TRANSLATES TO

01:21:26.181 --> 01:21:27.582
IMPORTANT OUTCOMES IS THAT IF

01:21:27.649 --> 01:21:28.850
YOU BOUGHT AN EV WITH A CERTAIN

01:21:28.917 --> 01:21:30.652
AMOUNT OF RANGE, LET'S SAY HAD

01:21:30.719 --> 01:21:31.853
260 MILES OF RANGE, AND YOU

01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:32.954
BOUGHT REPLACEMENT TIRES AND

01:21:33.021 --> 01:21:34.689
YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE

01:21:34.756 --> 01:21:35.690
LESS EFFICIENT, THAT RANGE

01:21:35.757 --> 01:21:38.393
COULD DROP TEN, 15, 20%. NOT

01:21:38.460 --> 01:21:39.628
OKAY. FOR A LOT OF DRIVERS.

01:21:39.694 --> 01:21:41.263
YOUR FUEL ECONOMY GOES DOWN FOR

01:21:41.329 --> 01:21:43.765
A CONVENTIONAL LIQUID FUEL

01:21:43.832 --> 01:21:44.866
POWERED VEHICLE, THIS

01:21:44.933 --> 01:21:46.801
TRANSLATES INTO COST. SO THIS

01:21:46.868 --> 01:21:48.003
IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE

01:21:48.069 --> 01:21:49.104
GOING TO BE PROVIDING

01:21:49.170 --> 01:21:50.205
TRANSPARENCY FOR THE PUBLIC

01:21:50.272 --> 01:21:51.673
WHEN THEY GO OUT AND BUY

01:21:51.740 --> 01:21:52.207
REPLACEMENT TIRE, REALLY,

01:21:52.274 --> 01:21:54.909
REALLY IMPORTANT REGULATION.

01:21:54.976 --> 01:21:56.111
I'LL CONCLUDE WITH THIS SLIDE.

01:21:56.177 --> 01:21:58.880
THIS IS THE VARIETY OF PUBLIC

01:21:58.947 --> 01:22:00.649
DASHBOARDS THAT WE PROVIDE THAT

01:22:00.715 --> 01:22:01.783
CONVEYS INFORMATION ON A

01:22:01.850 --> 01:22:04.319
QUARTERLY BASIS FOR NEW ZEV

01:22:04.386 --> 01:22:08.323
SALES. WE BREAK IT DOWN BY TYPE

01:22:08.390 --> 01:22:10.091
ALL BATTERY ELECTRIC YEAR TO

01:22:10.158 --> 01:22:11.459
DATE. YOU CAN SEE THAT NUMBER

01:22:11.526 --> 01:22:13.061
IS OVER 200,000. ALL ELECTRIC

01:22:13.128 --> 01:22:14.396
BATTERY ELECTRIC VEHICLES, PLUG

01:22:14.462 --> 01:22:15.797
IN HYBRIDS, AND THEN A

01:22:15.864 --> 01:22:16.865
SMATTERING OF FUEL CELL

01:22:16.931 --> 01:22:20.135
ELECTRIC ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WE

01:22:20.201 --> 01:22:21.503
PROVIDE DATA ON THE MEDIUM AND

01:22:21.569 --> 01:22:22.704
HEAVY DUTY, THE NUMBER OF

01:22:22.771 --> 01:22:24.105
CHARGERS, AS YOU HEARD,

01:22:24.172 --> 01:22:25.940
HYDROGEN STATIONS AND EVEN

01:22:26.007 --> 01:22:27.108
SCHOOL BUSSES, WHICH WE FUNDED

01:22:27.175 --> 01:22:29.144
IN THE PAST. SO THERE'S THE

01:22:29.210 --> 01:22:30.645
LINK THAT YOU CAN ACCESS ALL

01:22:30.712 --> 01:22:31.846
THESE PUBLIC DASHBOARDS.

01:22:31.913 --> 01:22:33.081
THEY'RE UPDATED AT A REGULAR

01:22:33.148 --> 01:22:34.849
BASIS. AND WITH THAT, I'LL

01:22:34.916 --> 01:22:38.119
CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

01:22:38.186 --> 01:22:39.354
WELL THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED

01:22:39.421 --> 01:22:41.389
TO CLARIFY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY

01:22:41.456 --> 01:22:42.390
MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION. HOW

01:22:42.457 --> 01:22:45.360
MANY MILES A YEAR DO CALIFORNIA

01:22:45.427 --> 01:22:49.597
DRIVERS? 323. BETWEEN 320 AND

01:22:49.664 --> 01:22:51.466
330 BILLION. AND THEN WHAT?

01:22:51.533 --> 01:22:54.302
WHAT PERCENT ARE LIKE TNCS?

01:22:54.369 --> 01:22:56.871
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SHE

01:22:56.938 --> 01:22:59.341
SEEMED YOU YOU TRY TO GET HURT?

01:22:59.407 --> 01:23:01.876
NO, I'M JUST CURIOUS. I DON'T I

01:23:01.943 --> 01:23:03.011
DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF

01:23:03.078 --> 01:23:04.746
TNCS, BUT WE CAN FIND OUT. YEAH.

01:23:04.813 --> 01:23:05.847
COMMISSIONER SKINNER AND THEN I,

01:23:05.914 --> 01:23:07.782
I JUST HAVE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT,

01:23:07.849 --> 01:23:09.684
BUT I DO WANT TO START WITH MY

01:23:09.751 --> 01:23:10.919
COLLEAGUES. BUT ONE COMMENT ON

01:23:10.985 --> 01:23:12.721
THE TIRE REPLACEMENT. IT

01:23:12.787 --> 01:23:14.889
OBVIOUSLY BECAME A BIG SUBJECT

01:23:14.956 --> 01:23:17.325
OF RIGHT WING OUTRAGE. THAT WAS

01:23:17.392 --> 01:23:18.860
PROBABLY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW,

01:23:18.927 --> 01:23:20.995
WHEN YOU EXPLAIN IT THE WAY YOU

01:23:21.062 --> 01:23:23.498
DID, IT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE.

01:23:23.565 --> 01:23:24.899
IT WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT

01:23:24.966 --> 01:23:27.802
NEEDED TO BE THERE, NEEDED TO

01:23:27.869 --> 01:23:29.971
BE MORE MESSAGING OUT FRONT

01:23:30.038 --> 01:23:32.540
UPFRONT ABOUT ABOUT THAT TIRE

01:23:32.607 --> 01:23:33.541
REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, BECAUSE A

01:23:33.608 --> 01:23:34.909
LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS

01:23:34.976 --> 01:23:37.512
THE END OF THE WORLD. SO AND IT

01:23:37.579 --> 01:23:39.314
CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE ONCE IT'S

01:23:39.381 --> 01:23:41.483
EXPLAINED. SO, SENATOR, DO YOU

01:23:41.549 --> 01:23:43.985
HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR PANEL?

01:23:44.052 --> 01:23:46.187
SURE. YES, I DO HAVE A COUPLE

01:23:46.254 --> 01:23:49.524
QUESTIONS. I, I WAS DOING SOME

01:23:49.591 --> 01:23:53.395
OF THE THE MATH. MR. GRUNDLER,

01:23:53.461 --> 01:23:57.332
BASED ON YOUR, YOUR, YOUR

01:23:57.399 --> 01:23:58.900
COMMENTS AT THE OUTSET AND SORT

01:23:58.967 --> 01:24:00.235
OF LOOKING AT PROGRAM

01:24:00.301 --> 01:24:01.302
PERFORMANCE, I THINK WE'VE

01:24:01.369 --> 01:24:02.670
TAKEN A HARD LOOK AT THINGS

01:24:02.737 --> 01:24:03.872
SINCE THAT LA TIMES PIECE CAME

01:24:03.938 --> 01:24:06.341
OUT AND LOOKED AT CARB'S

01:24:06.408 --> 01:24:08.910
COMMENTS AS WELL. WE'D LOVE TO

01:24:08.977 --> 01:24:11.379
GET SOME VERIFICATION FROM YOUR

01:24:11.446 --> 01:24:12.814
STAFF IF POSSIBLE, BUT I WAS

01:24:12.881 --> 01:24:14.749
TRYING TO SORT OF RUN TO GROUND

01:24:14.816 --> 01:24:17.886
JUST IN A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD

01:24:17.952 --> 01:24:19.587
APPLES TO APPLES. LOOK AT HOW

01:24:19.654 --> 01:24:21.156
THE COST OF SORT OF ZEV

01:24:21.222 --> 01:24:22.190
DEPLOYMENT OVERALL AND THE SORT

01:24:22.257 --> 01:24:23.958
OF NATURE OF OUR MARKET

01:24:24.025 --> 01:24:24.959
TRANSFORMATION. I REMEMBER WHEN

01:24:25.026 --> 01:24:27.929
WE FIRST SET UP IN THE OBAMA

01:24:27.996 --> 01:24:29.063
ADMINISTRATION, THE FIRST LOAN

01:24:29.130 --> 01:24:30.465
GUARANTEE PROGRAM, AND THERE

01:24:30.532 --> 01:24:33.101
WERE ATTEMPTS FROM IN POLITICS

01:24:33.168 --> 01:24:34.669
TO UNDERCUT THE PROGRAM. I

01:24:34.736 --> 01:24:36.938
THINK WE HAD A LESS THAN 1%

01:24:37.005 --> 01:24:39.073
FAILURE RATE OF A $9 BILLION

01:24:39.140 --> 01:24:41.643
PROGRAM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THAT I

01:24:41.709 --> 01:24:43.011
THINK YOU'RE ACTUALLY BEATING

01:24:43.077 --> 01:24:45.947
THAT THAT RATE, FROM WHAT I CAN

01:24:46.014 --> 01:24:48.016
TELL HERE. AND AGAIN, I WOULD

01:24:48.082 --> 01:24:49.384
LOVE TO GET SOME CORROBORATION

01:24:49.451 --> 01:24:53.288
FROM CARB, BUT THE STARTING

01:24:53.354 --> 01:24:55.023
WITH THE MAINTENANCE COST OF

01:24:55.089 --> 01:24:56.458
OWNERSHIP, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING

01:24:56.524 --> 01:24:58.193
ABOUT AROUND $0.09 A MILE TO

01:24:58.259 --> 01:25:00.061
OWN A ZEV TRUCK TO OWN AND

01:25:00.128 --> 01:25:01.429
OPERATE A ZEV TRUCK FOR REPAIRS

01:25:01.496 --> 01:25:03.198
AND MAINTENANCE AND ABOUT $0.20

01:25:03.264 --> 01:25:04.799
PER MILE ON THE DIESEL FRONT.

01:25:04.866 --> 01:25:06.401
SO MORE THAN DOUBLE THE COST OF

01:25:06.468 --> 01:25:07.469
OWNING THAT. THAT'S WHY IT

01:25:07.535 --> 01:25:09.337
STARTS TO PENCIL SO QUICKLY FOR

01:25:09.404 --> 01:25:10.438
SOMEONE WHO GETS INTO A ZEV

01:25:10.505 --> 01:25:12.340
TRUCK, AND THEY ACTUALLY END UP

01:25:12.407 --> 01:25:13.475
SAVING RIGHT AWAY, IT DOESN'T

01:25:13.541 --> 01:25:14.642
JUST HAVE TO ACCRUE OVER TIME.

01:25:14.709 --> 01:25:16.478
YOU GET IT RIGHT AWAY. I KNOW

01:25:16.544 --> 01:25:17.679
THIS, I JUST SWITCHED, I'VE

01:25:17.745 --> 01:25:19.380
BEEN DRIVING, I DON'T DRIVE A

01:25:19.447 --> 01:25:21.349
SEMI. I DRIVE WENT FROM A 20

01:25:21.416 --> 01:25:23.351
MILE A GALLON FORD TRANSIT INTO

01:25:23.418 --> 01:25:25.553
A KIA EV NINE. AND IT CHANGED

01:25:25.620 --> 01:25:26.955
MY ENTIRE LIFE AND MY WHOLE

01:25:27.021 --> 01:25:28.189
BUDGET RIGHT AWAY. IT WASN'T

01:25:28.256 --> 01:25:29.991
LIKE IT TOOK TIME. IT SUDDENLY

01:25:30.058 --> 01:25:31.659
YOU'RE FILLING UP FOR 20 BUCKS

01:25:31.726 --> 01:25:33.895
AND THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING. AS

01:25:33.962 --> 01:25:35.296
A PARENT AND SOMEONE WHO'S

01:25:35.363 --> 01:25:36.598
TRYING TO PAY THE BILLS ON A

01:25:36.664 --> 01:25:39.968
GOOD GOVERNMENT SALARY, THE THE

01:25:40.034 --> 01:25:41.069
FAILURE RATES. THERE WAS A LOT

01:25:41.135 --> 01:25:42.971
OF TALK ABOUT THE FAILURE RATES,

01:25:43.037 --> 01:25:44.606
BUT I, WE, WE DID OUR OWN

01:25:44.672 --> 01:25:46.808
ANALYSIS OF SORT OF HOW JUST

01:25:46.875 --> 01:25:48.610
NORMAL PEOPLE BUY CARS AND THE

01:25:48.676 --> 01:25:50.011
FAILURE RATES OUT THERE. I

01:25:50.078 --> 01:25:51.813
THINK THAT THEY SAY THAT IN

01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:53.414
CALIFORNIA, SAY THE LEMON RATES

01:25:53.481 --> 01:25:56.284
ARE ABOUT 0.5%, 0.55% OF PEOPLE

01:25:56.351 --> 01:25:57.919
WHO GO OUT AND BUY A CAR,

01:25:57.986 --> 01:25:59.787
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO IT'S NOT

01:25:59.854 --> 01:26:00.989
GOING TO WORK FOR THEM. IT'S

01:26:01.055 --> 01:26:02.790
GOING TO FAIL ON THEM. THIS

01:26:02.857 --> 01:26:05.260
PROGRAM HAS A 0.2.2 3% FAILURE

01:26:05.326 --> 01:26:06.961
RATE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE

01:26:07.028 --> 01:26:08.396
FROM WHAT THE AVERAGE CONSUMER

01:26:08.463 --> 01:26:09.497
OUT THERE IS JUST GETTING FROM

01:26:09.564 --> 01:26:11.132
A FAULTY CAR THAT THEY GET BACK

01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:13.635
OUT OF THE TENS OF THOUSANDS

01:26:13.701 --> 01:26:15.203
AND THOUSANDS OF ZEVS PURCHASED

01:26:15.270 --> 01:26:17.071
THROUGH THE PROGRAM, OUR SENSE

01:26:17.138 --> 01:26:18.473
IS THAT THE FAILURE RATE IS

01:26:18.540 --> 01:26:19.574
ACTUALLY MUCH LOWER THAN THE

01:26:19.641 --> 01:26:20.942
AVERAGE, EVEN LIGHT DUTY

01:26:21.009 --> 01:26:22.744
VEHICLE, LET ALONE HEAVY. SO I

01:26:22.810 --> 01:26:25.280
WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON ACTUALLY

01:26:25.346 --> 01:26:28.049
NOT JUST SPOTTING SPOTTING SOME

01:26:28.116 --> 01:26:29.617
OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE

01:26:29.684 --> 01:26:32.887
EMERGING, BUT, BUT ALSO ON THE,

01:26:32.954 --> 01:26:34.289
THE REALLY ACCELERATED

01:26:34.355 --> 01:26:35.290
TRANSFORMATION THAT WE WOULD

01:26:35.356 --> 01:26:36.424
HAVE EXPECTED, I THINK, WHEN WE

01:26:36.491 --> 01:26:37.859
FUNDED THIS, A MUCH HIGHER

01:26:37.926 --> 01:26:40.428
FAILURE RATE AND, AND MUCH MORE

01:26:40.495 --> 01:26:41.596
LOSSES. I MEAN, I THINK YOU

01:26:41.663 --> 01:26:43.431
TALKED ABOUT 93% OF THE FIRMS

01:26:43.498 --> 01:26:44.532
THAT WAS A FIRM BASE

01:26:44.599 --> 01:26:46.868
CALCULATION YOU GAVE OF ONLY 7%

01:26:46.935 --> 01:26:48.570
FELL OUT. BUT IN TERMS OF THE

01:26:48.636 --> 01:26:49.437
ACTUAL VEHICLES THEMSELVES,

01:26:49.504 --> 01:26:52.273
FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN, NOT ONLY

01:26:52.340 --> 01:26:55.877
ARE THEY BEING USED ROBUSTLY

01:26:55.944 --> 01:26:57.345
AND ARE THOSE COSTS LOWER, BUT

01:26:57.412 --> 01:26:59.847
EVEN IF YOU SAY ADD IN THE 27

01:26:59.914 --> 01:27:01.282
VEHICLES THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT

01:27:01.349 --> 01:27:04.786
OUT OF 16,000, EVEN IF YOU ADD

01:27:04.852 --> 01:27:06.721
THAT IN TO, SAY, THE COST OF

01:27:06.788 --> 01:27:08.489
OWNERSHIP, YOU'RE STILL FAR

01:27:08.556 --> 01:27:10.258
BELOW THE COST OF DIESEL. AND I

01:27:10.325 --> 01:27:11.459
THINK JUST LOOK TO THE STRAIT

01:27:11.526 --> 01:27:13.261
OF HORMUZ TO REALIZE THAT, YOU

01:27:13.328 --> 01:27:14.996
KNOW, FOR IN TERMS OF DEMAND,

01:27:15.063 --> 01:27:17.098
THE DEMAND IS HUGE OUT THERE

01:27:17.165 --> 01:27:18.499
FROM WHAT PEOPLE ARE FACING IN

01:27:18.566 --> 01:27:20.702
THE DIESEL MARKET, JUST BEING

01:27:20.768 --> 01:27:22.904
CRUSHED RIGHT NOW BY FEDERAL

01:27:22.971 --> 01:27:26.474
POLICY AND BY WARS, THAT THE

01:27:26.541 --> 01:27:28.943
DEMAND SEEMS ROBUST. BUT WHAT I

01:27:29.010 --> 01:27:30.044
WHAT I HEARD FROM YOUR

01:27:30.111 --> 01:27:31.112
TESTIMONY THAT THAT DID CAUSE

01:27:31.179 --> 01:27:34.082
ME SOME CONCERN IS THAT YOU

01:27:34.148 --> 01:27:35.516
FELT LIKE THE SUPPLY WOULDN'T

01:27:35.583 --> 01:27:37.285
BE THERE TO MEET THAT DEMAND,

01:27:37.352 --> 01:27:39.087
THAT THAT THE DEMAND IS ROBUST

01:27:39.153 --> 01:27:40.922
AND THAT CALIFORNIA'S PROGRAM

01:27:40.989 --> 01:27:43.791
PERFORMANCE HAS BEEN SOLID.

01:27:43.858 --> 01:27:45.393
JUST. AND THAT PROBABLY

01:27:45.460 --> 01:27:46.327
SOMETHING WORTH DOUBLING DOWN

01:27:46.394 --> 01:27:48.496
ON. I WOULD EVEN SUBMIT FOR MY

01:27:48.563 --> 01:27:49.597
COLLEAGUES HERE AND THOSE OF US

01:27:49.664 --> 01:27:50.798
WHO'LL BE WORKING ON THESE

01:27:50.865 --> 01:27:52.567
ISSUES IN THE YEARS AHEAD, TO

01:27:52.634 --> 01:27:53.801
NOT LOOK AT ONE TIME FUNDING,

01:27:53.868 --> 01:27:55.503
TO LOOK AT A CONTINUOUS

01:27:55.570 --> 01:27:56.571
APPROPRIATION AND TO LOOK AT

01:27:56.638 --> 01:27:57.572
SOMETHING CONSISTENT. BUT CAN

01:27:57.639 --> 01:28:00.642
YOU JUST WHAT WHY? WHY ARE YOU

01:28:00.708 --> 01:28:02.176
WHY? WHY DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE'RE

01:28:02.243 --> 01:28:04.646
AT THIS, THIS PRECIPICE, IF YOU

01:28:04.712 --> 01:28:06.114
WILL, BETWEEN SUPPLY AND DEMAND

01:28:06.180 --> 01:28:07.782
AND WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT

01:28:07.849 --> 01:28:09.350
IN THE MARKETPLACE? MY

01:28:09.417 --> 01:28:10.418
UNDERSTANDING WAS THERE'S A LOT

01:28:10.485 --> 01:28:12.220
COMING OFFLINE FROM THE NEW

01:28:12.286 --> 01:28:14.022
SPARKS FACILITY, AND THAT WE

01:28:14.088 --> 01:28:15.556
SHOULD SEE THOSE SEMIS COMING

01:28:15.623 --> 01:28:17.125
INTO THE MARKET. I JUST READ A

01:28:17.191 --> 01:28:18.993
WALL STREET JOURNAL PIECE ABOUT

01:28:19.060 --> 01:28:20.294
TEXAS IS CERTAINLY DEPLOYING

01:28:20.361 --> 01:28:22.997
THEM AT VERY HIGH RATES. SO THE

01:28:23.064 --> 01:28:24.732
THE TRUCKS SEEM TO BE COMING IN

01:28:24.799 --> 01:28:25.900
THE NEAR TERM. BUT IS THIS A

01:28:25.967 --> 01:28:27.068
MEDIUM TERM CHALLENGE THAT

01:28:27.135 --> 01:28:28.836
YOU'RE GOING TO THAT YOU THINK

01:28:28.903 --> 01:28:29.971
WE'RE FACING FROM THE OEMS? CAN

01:28:30.038 --> 01:28:31.873
YOU SORT OF DESCRIBE THE NATURE

01:28:31.939 --> 01:28:32.907
OF THAT PRECIPICE A LITTLE

01:28:32.974 --> 01:28:34.042
BETTER? YEAH. THE CONCERN, THE

01:28:34.108 --> 01:28:37.078
SUPPLY CONCERN, I REGRET I

01:28:37.145 --> 01:28:40.381
WASN'T MORE CLEAR IS ON THE

01:28:40.448 --> 01:28:42.050
LIGHT DUTY SIDE. THAT'S MY

01:28:42.116 --> 01:28:44.252
CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE CAPITAL

01:28:44.318 --> 01:28:45.687
ALLOCATIONS THAT THESE FIRMS

01:28:45.753 --> 01:28:49.290
HAVE BEEN CHANGING AND

01:28:49.357 --> 01:28:51.225
PRODUCTION IS DOWN FOR REASONS

01:28:51.292 --> 01:28:53.628
WE UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THE

01:28:53.695 --> 01:28:55.063
FEDERAL TAX CREDIT WENT AWAY.

01:28:55.129 --> 01:28:58.299
AND AND NHTSA'S BACKING OFF OF

01:28:58.366 --> 01:29:00.768
CAFE EPA NO LONGER THINKS

01:29:00.835 --> 01:29:01.936
GREENHOUSE GASES ARE A PROBLEM.

01:29:02.003 --> 01:29:04.038
AND AND AND AND SO YOU DON'T

01:29:04.105 --> 01:29:06.374
HAVE A, A REGULATORY PRESSURE

01:29:06.441 --> 01:29:08.743
TO PRODUCE THESE VEHICLES AND

01:29:08.810 --> 01:29:10.511
FIRMS ARE RESPONDING AND

01:29:10.578 --> 01:29:14.849
THEY'RE REALLOCATING THOSE TO

01:29:14.916 --> 01:29:18.119
SURPRISINGLY NEW ENGINE

01:29:18.186 --> 01:29:19.921
PROGRAMS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY

01:29:19.987 --> 01:29:21.289
CONCERN. AND THAT WAS WHY, YOU

01:29:21.355 --> 01:29:22.790
KNOW, WE WERE ENTHUSIASTIC

01:29:22.857 --> 01:29:24.959
ABOUT THE, THE, MY FIRST EV TO

01:29:25.026 --> 01:29:29.731
DEMONSTRATE THAT. AND I THINK,

01:29:29.797 --> 01:29:31.899
I MEAN, SPENCER WILL WILL KNOW.

01:29:31.966 --> 01:29:35.570
BUT WHILE THERE IS BECAUSE OF

01:29:35.636 --> 01:29:37.371
THE WAR, INCREASED INTEREST IN

01:29:37.438 --> 01:29:38.806
EV SALES, NOT JUST IN

01:29:38.873 --> 01:29:40.942
CALIFORNIA, BUT BUT OUTSIDE

01:29:41.008 --> 01:29:41.776
CALIFORNIA AS WELL. SO THERE'S

01:29:41.843 --> 01:29:43.444
THERE'S REASON FOR OPTIMISM.

01:29:43.511 --> 01:29:44.445
YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT

01:29:44.512 --> 01:29:45.446
EXPERIMENT WE'RE LIVING THROUGH

01:29:45.513 --> 01:29:47.381
RIGHT NOW IS WHAT IF THE TESLA

01:29:47.448 --> 01:29:48.950
SEMI TRUCK HAS THE SAME IMPACT

01:29:49.016 --> 01:29:50.985
ON THE MARKET AS THEIR MODEL

01:29:51.052 --> 01:29:53.521
THREE? THE WORLD CHANGES. I'VE

01:29:53.588 --> 01:29:55.189
BEEN TO THE FACILITY ITS SIZE

01:29:55.256 --> 01:29:57.825
TO MAKE 50,000 TRUCKS A YEAR

01:29:57.892 --> 01:30:00.361
THROUGH. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T

01:30:00.428 --> 01:30:02.130
TELL FLEETS WHAT TO BUY. THEY

01:30:02.196 --> 01:30:03.598
CHOOSE. AND THEY'RE

01:30:03.664 --> 01:30:04.699
OVERWHELMINGLY CHOOSING THE

01:30:04.766 --> 01:30:07.135
TESLA VEHICLE. SOME HAVE HAD

01:30:07.201 --> 01:30:09.403
THEM IN THEIR FLEETS AND HAVE

01:30:09.470 --> 01:30:12.940
MEASURED THEIR PERFORMANCE. AND

01:30:13.007 --> 01:30:14.142
TESLA RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE

01:30:14.208 --> 01:30:15.309
THEY'RE VERTICALLY INTEGRATED,

01:30:15.376 --> 01:30:16.577
ARE VERY COMPETITIVE IN TERMS

01:30:16.644 --> 01:30:20.314
OF, OF, OF THE COST. WE'LL SEE

01:30:20.381 --> 01:30:23.351
IF THEIR COMPETITORS WILL

01:30:23.417 --> 01:30:25.553
RESPOND. WE APPRECIATE THE

01:30:25.620 --> 01:30:26.554
LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED

01:30:26.621 --> 01:30:28.389
THIS SESSION ABOUT MORE

01:30:28.456 --> 01:30:30.224
TRANSPARENCY IN PRICING BY THE

01:30:30.291 --> 01:30:33.161
LEGACY MANUFACTURERS. AND ON

01:30:33.227 --> 01:30:36.664
THE LIGHT DUTY SIDE, AGAIN,

01:30:36.731 --> 01:30:37.832
THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST

01:30:37.899 --> 01:30:38.766
OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA FROM

01:30:38.833 --> 01:30:40.635
OTHER STATES ABOUT ADOPTING

01:30:40.701 --> 01:30:41.769
SOMETHING SIMILAR. WE'RE

01:30:41.836 --> 01:30:42.804
FORMING A WORKGROUP WITH A

01:30:42.870 --> 01:30:44.238
NORTHEAST STATES. YOU KNOW,

01:30:44.305 --> 01:30:45.506
COLORADO IS LOOKING AT IT.

01:30:45.573 --> 01:30:47.441
WE'VE MET WITH MARYLAND, SO

01:30:47.508 --> 01:30:49.610
THIS COULD BE ANOTHER EXPORT OF

01:30:49.677 --> 01:30:51.479
CALIFORNIA IS TO EXPORT THIS

01:30:51.546 --> 01:30:53.281
APPROACH. AND WE HAVE SOME OEMS

01:30:53.347 --> 01:30:54.949
ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING THESE

01:30:55.016 --> 01:30:56.517
OTHER PROGRAMS DEVELOP IN THESE

01:30:56.584 --> 01:30:58.653
OTHER STATES AS WELL. AND THEN

01:30:58.719 --> 01:31:00.454
YOU START CREATING A CRITICAL

01:31:00.521 --> 01:31:02.623
MASS THAT, AGAIN, ALONG WITH

01:31:02.690 --> 01:31:04.392
OUR DRIVE FORWARD REGULATIONS,

01:31:04.458 --> 01:31:06.194
WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE

01:31:06.260 --> 01:31:10.131
DEMANDING PRETTY STRINGENT

01:31:10.198 --> 01:31:11.899
PERFORMANCE ON CLEAN AIR

01:31:11.966 --> 01:31:13.234
PERFORMANCE. AND WE KNOW THAT

01:31:13.301 --> 01:31:15.136
THE CHEAPEST WAY FOR FIRMS TO

01:31:15.203 --> 01:31:18.005
COMPLY WILL BE BY BUILDING MORE

01:31:18.072 --> 01:31:19.140
ZEVS STILL EARLY DAYS, BUT WE

01:31:19.207 --> 01:31:20.341
PUT A PROPOSAL OUT. WE'RE

01:31:20.408 --> 01:31:22.009
WORKING WITH THE AUTOMAKERS AND

01:31:22.076 --> 01:31:23.744
WITH THE PUBLIC ON THAT. SO AND

01:31:23.811 --> 01:31:26.247
THIS INTEGRATED APPROACH WITH

01:31:26.314 --> 01:31:28.449
INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING, WE

01:31:28.516 --> 01:31:30.618
WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME

01:31:30.685 --> 01:31:31.686
CONTINUOUS FUNDING ON

01:31:31.752 --> 01:31:33.187
INCENTIVES AND A REGULATORY

01:31:33.254 --> 01:31:35.623
PUSH. ON THE SUPPLY SIDE, WE

01:31:35.690 --> 01:31:38.526
KNOW THAT WORKS. THANKS FOR

01:31:38.593 --> 01:31:42.830
THAT. I YOU KNOW, I'M

01:31:42.897 --> 01:31:43.898
ANTICIPATING GETTING THROUGH

01:31:43.965 --> 01:31:46.033
THESE NEXT FEW ROCKY YEARS AND

01:31:46.100 --> 01:31:48.302
THEN SORT OF GETTING BACK ON ON

01:31:48.369 --> 01:31:49.437
TRACK. THE HOPE IS THAT THE

01:31:49.503 --> 01:31:50.404
CAPITAL ALLOCATION ON THE

01:31:50.471 --> 01:31:51.572
PRIVATE SIDE DOESN'T GET SORT

01:31:51.639 --> 01:31:53.641
OF BOTTLED UP IN A LONG TERM,

01:31:53.708 --> 01:31:57.345
YOU KNOW, CHASING GASOLINE AND,

01:31:57.411 --> 01:31:58.846
YOU KNOW, A FUTURE OF CHEAP

01:31:58.913 --> 01:31:59.847
GASOLINE AND CHEAP DIESEL,

01:31:59.914 --> 01:32:01.515
WHICH JUST PROVES TO BE OUT OF

01:32:01.582 --> 01:32:03.351
REACH AS THEIR SORT OF CORE

01:32:03.417 --> 01:32:05.119
CORE MISSION FOR THE OEMS. I'M

01:32:05.186 --> 01:32:07.355
DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I

01:32:07.421 --> 01:32:09.090
WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME ANALYSIS

01:32:09.156 --> 01:32:10.958
OF, AND MAYBE THIS COULD COME

01:32:11.025 --> 01:32:12.159
FROM YOU OR THE STAKEHOLDERS

01:32:12.226 --> 01:32:14.195
ABOUT WHAT A LONGER RANGE MY

01:32:14.262 --> 01:32:15.930
FIRST EV PROGRAM COULD LOOK

01:32:15.997 --> 01:32:19.901
LIKE, OR SORT OF WHAT KIND OF

01:32:19.967 --> 01:32:21.135
COST SAVINGS WE COULD ACHIEVE

01:32:21.202 --> 01:32:23.537
BY HAVING, SAY, A LONGER RANGE

01:32:23.604 --> 01:32:24.972
PARTNERSHIP, ESPECIALLY IF IT

01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:26.540
INCLUDED THE SECTION 177 STATES

01:32:26.607 --> 01:32:28.109
OR SOME OF THEM THAT YOU

01:32:28.175 --> 01:32:29.310
MENTIONED. SO I THINK WE I

01:32:29.377 --> 01:32:30.711
THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL

01:32:30.778 --> 01:32:32.113
INFORMATION IF WE'RE ABLE TO

01:32:32.179 --> 01:32:33.614
TAKE EVEN A THREE YEAR VIEW ON

01:32:33.681 --> 01:32:35.182
THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT

01:32:35.249 --> 01:32:37.118
TAKE TO GET US THROUGH OUR OWN

01:32:37.184 --> 01:32:38.185
POLITICAL VALLEY OF DEATH AT

01:32:38.252 --> 01:32:39.253
THIS MOMENT? SO THAT'S

01:32:39.320 --> 01:32:40.454
SOMETHING I'D LOVE SOME FOLLOW

01:32:40.521 --> 01:32:42.223
UP ON. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER

01:32:42.290 --> 01:32:44.125
THING I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU,

01:32:44.191 --> 01:32:45.326
YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE

01:32:45.393 --> 01:32:47.094
MOBILE SOURCE DIVISION. WE HAVE

01:32:47.161 --> 01:32:48.329
TO HIT OUR CLEAN AIR ACT GOALS

01:32:48.396 --> 01:32:50.164
WRIT LARGE, BOTH MOBILE AND

01:32:50.231 --> 01:32:51.098
STATIONARY WITHIN CALIFORNIA

01:32:51.165 --> 01:32:53.034
AND OUR CIP. AND, YOU KNOW,

01:32:53.100 --> 01:32:54.335
WHEN WE IN THE LEGISLATURE, I

01:32:54.402 --> 01:32:55.569
THINK, HAVE LOOKED AT THE

01:32:55.636 --> 01:32:57.371
CHALLENGE, IF WE DON'T HAVE

01:32:57.438 --> 01:32:59.240
THESE SAME MOBILE SOURCE TOOLS

01:32:59.307 --> 01:33:00.608
THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, SAY,

01:33:00.675 --> 01:33:03.811
AS OUR MAIN TOOL, WE WANT TO BE

01:33:03.878 --> 01:33:04.879
LOOKING AT OTHER WAYS TO

01:33:04.946 --> 01:33:07.481
ACHIEVE THOSE, THOSE OUTCOMES.

01:33:07.548 --> 01:33:08.616
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT INDIRECT

01:33:08.683 --> 01:33:10.117
SOURCE RULES AND LOOKING AT HOW

01:33:10.184 --> 01:33:11.686
THAT COULD WORK, NOT JUST FOR

01:33:11.752 --> 01:33:12.954
THE HEAVY DUTY SECTOR WHERE

01:33:13.020 --> 01:33:14.255
IT'S BEING DEPLOYED RIGHT NOW

01:33:14.322 --> 01:33:15.890
IN SOUTH COAST AND SAN JOAQUIN,

01:33:15.957 --> 01:33:17.591
TO SOME LIMITED EXTENTS IN

01:33:17.658 --> 01:33:19.060
CERTAIN AREAS, BUT BUT ALSO

01:33:19.126 --> 01:33:21.529
MORE BROADLY IN THE LIGHT DUTY

01:33:21.595 --> 01:33:24.365
SPACE. YOU KNOW, IN OUR PAST

01:33:24.432 --> 01:33:27.234
EXCHANGES WITH THE CARB CHAIR,

01:33:27.301 --> 01:33:28.235
THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION WHETHER

01:33:28.302 --> 01:33:29.437
YOU ALL HAVE THE UNDERLYING

01:33:29.503 --> 01:33:30.805
AUTHORITY TO PURSUE SUCH AN

01:33:30.871 --> 01:33:32.606
INDIRECT SOURCE RULE

01:33:32.673 --> 01:33:33.607
UNILATERALLY ON YOUR OWN,

01:33:33.674 --> 01:33:35.176
WHETHER YOU'D NEED LEGISLATIVE

01:33:35.242 --> 01:33:36.577
AUTHORIZATION. I THINK SORT OF

01:33:36.644 --> 01:33:40.181
MAYBE THAT EQUIVOCATION IS

01:33:40.247 --> 01:33:41.649
UNNECESSARY. AND AND THE MORE

01:33:41.716 --> 01:33:44.118
IMPORTANT QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW,

01:33:44.185 --> 01:33:45.953
IF WE DO NEED TO HAVE THAT

01:33:46.020 --> 01:33:47.121
BACKUP PLAN IN PLACE, HOW WOULD

01:33:47.188 --> 01:33:49.590
THAT HAVE TO BE STRUCTURED TO

01:33:49.657 --> 01:33:50.958
ACHIEVE THIS SORT OF TO FILL

01:33:51.025 --> 01:33:53.527
THE GAP THAT WE'RE SEEING FROM,

01:33:53.594 --> 01:33:55.396
YOU KNOW, UNCERTAINTY ON THE

01:33:55.463 --> 01:33:57.031
MOBILE SOURCE SIDE? SO IS THAT

01:33:57.098 --> 01:33:58.165
SOMETHING YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS

01:33:58.232 --> 01:34:00.434
ON FOR TODAY? YES, I DO, AND

01:34:00.501 --> 01:34:02.370
THEN THAT'S IT FOR ME. FIRST OF

01:34:02.436 --> 01:34:04.572
ALL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A

01:34:04.638 --> 01:34:07.208
PLAN B. I'VE LEARNED THAT

01:34:07.274 --> 01:34:10.044
LESSON. AND YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR

01:34:10.111 --> 01:34:11.178
PRIOR TO LAUNCHING DRIVE

01:34:11.245 --> 01:34:12.980
FORWARD, WE, WE DID A STATEWIDE

01:34:13.047 --> 01:34:14.148
LISTENING SESSION AND WE GOT A

01:34:14.215 --> 01:34:16.017
LOT OF INPUT FROM, FROM THE

01:34:16.083 --> 01:34:17.952
PUBLIC ON WHAT OPTIONS THE

01:34:18.019 --> 01:34:20.888
STATE HAS TO MAKE UP FOR THIS

01:34:20.955 --> 01:34:22.656
ENORMOUS EMISSION REDUCTION

01:34:22.723 --> 01:34:23.491
DEFICITS THAT THAT'S BEEN

01:34:23.557 --> 01:34:25.192
CAUSED BY THIS ILLEGAL FEDERAL

01:34:25.259 --> 01:34:26.961
GOVERNMENT. AND, AND CERTAINLY

01:34:27.028 --> 01:34:28.396
INDIRECT SOURCE RULE WAS WE

01:34:28.462 --> 01:34:30.531
HEARD A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS ON

01:34:30.598 --> 01:34:32.266
THAT. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT

01:34:32.333 --> 01:34:33.467
ALL THE OPTIONS. I CAN PROMISE

01:34:33.534 --> 01:34:35.970
YOU AT CARB, WE'RE IN THE MIDST

01:34:36.037 --> 01:34:40.608
OF A A RELENTLESS QUEST FOR

01:34:40.674 --> 01:34:42.076
EMISSION. OTHER EMISSION

01:34:42.143 --> 01:34:44.578
REDUCTION OPPORTUNITIES. I

01:34:44.645 --> 01:34:47.481
THINK WE WOULD WE WOULD

01:34:47.548 --> 01:34:50.351
CERTAINLY WELCOME FURTHER

01:34:50.418 --> 01:34:52.853
NUDGES FROM THE LEGISLATURE IN

01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:55.022
THIS IN THIS REGARD, I. I WILL

01:34:55.089 --> 01:34:58.392
NOTE THAT IT WAS 1771, THE BILL,

01:34:58.459 --> 01:35:01.862
THE LEGISLATION, THE LEGISLATOR

01:35:01.929 --> 01:35:02.963
LEGISLATION THAT DID NOT PASS

01:35:03.030 --> 01:35:06.534
BUT WAS INTRODUCED. IMPLIED

01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:08.402
THAT THE. THAT CARB ALREADY HAS

01:35:08.469 --> 01:35:10.204
THIS THIS AUTHORITY, BECAUSE IT

01:35:10.271 --> 01:35:11.639
WOULDN'T. THE LEGISLATURE SAID

01:35:11.705 --> 01:35:13.074
THE LEGISLATION SAID THIS

01:35:13.140 --> 01:35:16.644
WOULDN'T BE A A CHANGE IN LAW.

01:35:16.710 --> 01:35:18.412
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AT

01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:20.581
EVERYTHING. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT

01:35:20.648 --> 01:35:24.919
EVERYTHING. WE KNOW THAT

01:35:24.985 --> 01:35:25.953
TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS ARE

01:35:26.020 --> 01:35:28.522
HAVE THIS OUTSIZED IMPACT ON ON

01:35:28.589 --> 01:35:31.058
EMISSION REDUCTIONS. AND SO,

01:35:31.125 --> 01:35:33.861
AGAIN, I MY OWN ATTITUDE, AND

01:35:33.928 --> 01:35:35.096
THIS IS WHAT I TELL OUR TEAM

01:35:35.162 --> 01:35:36.864
AND CERTAINLY IN OUR EXECUTIVE

01:35:36.931 --> 01:35:38.566
OFFICE CONVERSATIONS, IT'S IT'S

01:35:38.632 --> 01:35:42.203
NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL, YOU KNOW,

01:35:42.269 --> 01:35:44.805
AND, AND AGAIN, USING THE WORLD,

01:35:44.872 --> 01:35:46.507
YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO USE

01:35:46.574 --> 01:35:49.076
THE WORDS HEADWINDS. WE DON'T

01:35:49.143 --> 01:35:50.878
HAVE THE LUXURY OF DESPAIR. YOU

01:35:50.945 --> 01:35:52.279
KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP DRIVING

01:35:52.346 --> 01:35:53.481
FORWARD. WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING

01:35:53.547 --> 01:35:55.850
AT ALL OPTIONS. I MEET

01:35:55.916 --> 01:35:58.085
REGULARLY, REGULARLY WITH THE

01:35:58.152 --> 01:35:59.487
PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY, AND

01:35:59.553 --> 01:36:01.288
I'M TELLING THEM WE NEED TO

01:36:01.355 --> 01:36:03.190
HAVE A PLAN B, YOU KNOW, FUND

01:36:03.257 --> 01:36:04.625
YOUR THOUGHT LEADERS. YOU KNOW,

01:36:04.692 --> 01:36:06.727
WE ARE OPEN MINDED ABOUT ABOUT

01:36:06.794 --> 01:36:08.863
WHAT ELSE THE STATE CAN DO

01:36:08.929 --> 01:36:10.297
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE

01:36:10.364 --> 01:36:13.200
DYING. THERE'S 14,500 AT A

01:36:13.267 --> 01:36:14.568
MINIMUM, PREMATURE DEATHS

01:36:14.635 --> 01:36:16.437
BETWEEN NOW AND 2037. IF WE

01:36:16.504 --> 01:36:18.572
DON'T FIND A WAY TO FILL THIS

01:36:18.639 --> 01:36:20.407
HOLE, AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO

01:36:20.474 --> 01:36:21.909
BE CONSISTENT FUNDING, IT'S

01:36:21.976 --> 01:36:23.577
GOING TO BE FORWARD LOOKING

01:36:23.644 --> 01:36:24.645
REGULATORY REGULATIONS, AND

01:36:24.712 --> 01:36:26.847
IT'S GOING TO BE INVESTMENT IN

01:36:26.914 --> 01:36:28.282
INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S IT'S NOT

01:36:28.349 --> 01:36:30.818
ROCKET SCIENCE. SO I'M

01:36:30.885 --> 01:36:32.987
INTERESTED IN ALL IDEAS THAT

01:36:33.053 --> 01:36:34.555
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SMART

01:36:34.622 --> 01:36:36.357
PEOPLE IN THE STATE, WHICH IS

01:36:36.423 --> 01:36:38.392
WHY I LOVE IT HERE TO COME UP

01:36:38.459 --> 01:36:40.528
WITH WITH PLAN B'S, BECAUSE WE

01:36:40.594 --> 01:36:43.030
CAN'T COUNT ON A SCIENCE BASED

01:36:43.097 --> 01:36:49.170
EPA TAKING OFFICE IN 2029. AND

01:36:49.236 --> 01:36:50.371
THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, APPROVE

01:36:50.437 --> 01:36:52.806
OUR CLEAN AIR ACT WAIVER

01:36:52.873 --> 01:36:53.908
REQUESTS WHEN, WHEN, WHEN IT

01:36:53.974 --> 01:36:56.343
COMES IN. SO THANK YOU FOR

01:36:56.410 --> 01:36:57.444
THOSE QUESTIONS. ASSEMBLY

01:36:57.511 --> 01:37:02.216
MEMBER CHABOT, THANK YOU. THANK

01:37:02.283 --> 01:37:04.318
YOU SO MUCH, MR. REEDER. THOSE

01:37:04.385 --> 01:37:07.188
THREE KIND OF PRINCIPLES OF HOW

01:37:07.254 --> 01:37:11.158
WE GROUND OUR POLICY MAKING AND

01:37:11.225 --> 01:37:12.193
PROGRAMS, I THINK IS REALLY

01:37:12.259 --> 01:37:13.627
HELPFUL BECAUSE WE DO WANT IT

01:37:13.694 --> 01:37:16.897
TO BE RELIABLE, MORE AFFORDABLE,

01:37:16.964 --> 01:37:18.699
AND JUST MAKE PEOPLE'S LIVES

01:37:18.766 --> 01:37:21.902
BETTER. I THINK IN THIS SPACE,

01:37:21.969 --> 01:37:24.438
WE ARE NOT SO GOOD ABOUT

01:37:24.505 --> 01:37:25.873
HIGHLIGHTING ALL OF THOSE

01:37:25.940 --> 01:37:29.476
PIECES. I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE WHO

01:37:29.543 --> 01:37:31.278
REALLY HATE EVS HAVE NEVER

01:37:31.345 --> 01:37:34.915
DRIVEN AN EV BECAUSE I NOW MY

01:37:34.982 --> 01:37:37.418
EV IS IN THE SHOP AND I'M

01:37:37.484 --> 01:37:39.587
HAVING TO DRIVE RENTAL CARS

01:37:39.653 --> 01:37:42.823
THAT ARE GAS AND I HATE IT. I

01:37:42.890 --> 01:37:46.060
HATE DRIVING THOSE GAS CARS NOW.

01:37:46.126 --> 01:37:47.494
THEY'RE SO SLOW TO PICK UP AND

01:37:47.561 --> 01:37:49.964
GET ON THE HIGHWAY TO PASS

01:37:50.030 --> 01:37:52.900
PEOPLE. IT'S LIKE, I JUST, I

01:37:52.967 --> 01:37:56.804
CAN'T STAND IT. AND, AND SO,

01:37:56.870 --> 01:37:58.672
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THE,

01:37:58.739 --> 01:38:00.841
THE LOWER COST AND MAINTENANCE,

01:38:00.908 --> 01:38:02.509
THE FACT THAT YOU GET TO DRIVE

01:38:02.576 --> 01:38:04.011
BY EVERY GAS STATION AND LOOK

01:38:04.078 --> 01:38:06.180
AT THOSE HIGH PRICES AND NOT

01:38:06.247 --> 01:38:10.251
STOP. I, I FEEL LIKE WE COULD

01:38:10.317 --> 01:38:12.653
DO A MUCH BETTER JOB

01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:13.721
HIGHLIGHTING ALL OF THE

01:38:13.787 --> 01:38:17.024
BENEFITS OF HAVING AN EV. BUT,

01:38:17.091 --> 01:38:18.125
YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT

01:38:18.192 --> 01:38:19.193
TODAY, THERE'S, THERE'S REAL

01:38:19.260 --> 01:38:21.295
CHALLENGES TO WHEN I FIRST GOT

01:38:21.362 --> 01:38:28.102
MY EV BACK IN 2022, I THINK. I

01:38:28.168 --> 01:38:29.737
DID NOT HAVE CHARGING AT HOME.

01:38:29.803 --> 01:38:31.138
AND SO I WAS ON THE PUBLIC

01:38:31.205 --> 01:38:33.907
CHARGE. AND, AND SO DRIVING UP

01:38:33.974 --> 01:38:35.676
TO THAT CHARGER, THAT DID NOT

01:38:35.743 --> 01:38:37.578
WORK. I WANTED TO PULL MY HAIR

01:38:37.645 --> 01:38:40.814
OUT AND SCREAM. AND, YOU KNOW,

01:38:40.881 --> 01:38:42.283
ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE REALLY LOW

01:38:42.349 --> 01:38:44.218
AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE

01:38:44.285 --> 01:38:45.352
ENOUGH CHARGE TO GET TO THE

01:38:45.419 --> 01:38:47.621
NEXT ONE, IT CAN REALLY PUT YOU

01:38:47.688 --> 01:38:50.858
IN A, IN A TERRIBLE POSITION.

01:38:50.924 --> 01:38:52.760
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M PROUD OF

01:38:52.826 --> 01:38:54.261
THE WORK THAT THE LEGISLATURE

01:38:54.328 --> 01:38:56.597
HAS DONE TO AROUND RELIABILITY.

01:38:56.664 --> 01:38:58.365
AND I THINK THAT MAKES A HUGE,

01:38:58.432 --> 01:38:59.500
HUGE DIFFERENCE. BUT I'M

01:38:59.566 --> 01:39:01.435
CURIOUS ON THE. AND I'M SO GLAD,

01:39:01.502 --> 01:39:03.070
YOU KNOW, AS A SINGLE MOM,

01:39:03.137 --> 01:39:05.272
HAVING THE THE FEDERAL TAX

01:39:05.339 --> 01:39:06.674
CREDIT MADE THE DIFFERENCE

01:39:06.740 --> 01:39:09.209
BETWEEN ME GETTING AN EV OR NOT

01:39:09.276 --> 01:39:11.712
FOR MY BUDGET. AND I KNOW THAT,

01:39:11.779 --> 01:39:13.881
YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY PROUD THAT

01:39:13.947 --> 01:39:15.783
WE AS A STATE INVESTED IN MY

01:39:15.849 --> 01:39:17.484
FIRST EV AND MAKE SURE THAT,

01:39:17.551 --> 01:39:19.687
YOU KNOW, THAT $3,500, THAT'S

01:39:19.753 --> 01:39:21.522
REAL MONEY, THAT THAT IS REAL

01:39:21.588 --> 01:39:23.390
MONEY IN YOUR POCKET AND MAKES

01:39:23.457 --> 01:39:25.459
A DIFFERENCE FOR PEOPLE. DO YOU

01:39:25.526 --> 01:39:28.329
KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS ARE

01:39:28.395 --> 01:39:30.097
CHOOSING OR WHO ARE DOING THE

01:39:30.164 --> 01:39:31.899
PROGRAM? DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF

01:39:31.965 --> 01:39:33.133
WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE BUYING

01:39:33.200 --> 01:39:35.836
NEW OR USED EVS OR HOW THAT

01:39:35.903 --> 01:39:37.671
BREAKDOWN IS HAPPENING? I TURN

01:39:37.738 --> 01:39:39.473
TO MY COLLEAGUE AT CARB ON THAT

01:39:39.540 --> 01:39:42.676
ONE. IT'S OVERWHELMINGLY NEW

01:39:42.743 --> 01:39:44.812
PURCHASES OR LEASES. AND THE

01:39:44.878 --> 01:39:48.048
REASON IS BECAUSE MOST OEMS

01:39:48.115 --> 01:39:52.052
DON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO

01:39:52.119 --> 01:39:54.221
CONTROL THE USED VEHICLES. SO

01:39:54.288 --> 01:39:55.622
BUT WE ARE FOR FOR THOSE FIRMS

01:39:55.689 --> 01:39:58.125
THAT DO THE DIRECT TO CONSUMER

01:39:58.192 --> 01:40:01.829
FIRMS LIKE LUCID AND AND RIVIAN,

01:40:01.895 --> 01:40:03.197
THEY OWN THOSE USED VEHICLES

01:40:03.263 --> 01:40:04.698
WHEN THEY COME BACK. AND SO

01:40:04.765 --> 01:40:07.534
THEY ARE OFFERING THEM. WE. AND

01:40:07.601 --> 01:40:09.670
FORD HAS OFFERED A FEW.

01:40:09.737 --> 01:40:11.839
REMARKABLY, THEY HAVE TO BE THE

01:40:11.905 --> 01:40:13.006
HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR

01:40:13.073 --> 01:40:14.742
CERTIFIED PROGRAM. BUT MOST

01:40:14.808 --> 01:40:17.277
CALIFORNIANS ARE CHOOSING TO

01:40:17.344 --> 01:40:19.747
BUY OR LEASE A NEW EV, AND IT'S

01:40:19.813 --> 01:40:21.215
CALLED. ONCE SAID FOR YOUR

01:40:21.281 --> 01:40:23.650
EARLIER COMMENTS, AN EV IS JUST

01:40:23.717 --> 01:40:24.852
LIKE A GASOLINE VEHICLE, ONLY

01:40:24.918 --> 01:40:27.354
BETTER. YEAH, IT'S TRUE, I WILL.

01:40:27.421 --> 01:40:30.190
I WILL ADD, BECAUSE THIS IS

01:40:30.257 --> 01:40:31.658
IMPORTANT AND IT ACTUALLY TIES

01:40:31.725 --> 01:40:32.793
INTO SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH I

01:40:32.860 --> 01:40:34.261
THINK WE SHOULD REALLY THINK

01:40:34.328 --> 01:40:37.097
ABOUT CAREFULLY. ROUGHLY 70% OF

01:40:37.164 --> 01:40:38.799
THE VEHICLE TRANSACTIONS THAT

01:40:38.866 --> 01:40:42.403
OCCUR ANYWHERE ARE USED SALES.

01:40:42.469 --> 01:40:45.639
SO ALTHOUGH THE 30% PLUS OR

01:40:45.706 --> 01:40:47.474
MINUS AND ARE

01:40:47.541 --> 01:40:48.242
DISPROPORTIONATELY TAKEN

01:40:48.308 --> 01:40:50.744
ADVANTAGE OF THIS PROGRAM, THE

01:40:50.811 --> 01:40:52.246
MASS MARKET, THE DRIVERS THAT

01:40:52.312 --> 01:40:53.614
ARE GOING TO BE LESS TOLERANT

01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:54.748
TO WHAT YOU AND I HAVE

01:40:54.815 --> 01:40:56.784
EXPERIENCED ARE THE FOLKS THAT

01:40:56.850 --> 01:40:58.318
ARE BUYING USED EVS. THERE'S A

01:40:58.385 --> 01:41:00.621
BOW WAVE OF EVS IN THE MARKET

01:41:00.687 --> 01:41:02.089
RIGHT NOW THAT ARE GOING TO

01:41:02.156 --> 01:41:03.257
CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT 18 MONTHS

01:41:03.323 --> 01:41:05.159
OR SO, BECAUSE OF SO MANY EVS

01:41:05.225 --> 01:41:06.360
THAT WERE SOLD BECAUSE OF THE

01:41:06.427 --> 01:41:07.428
FEDERAL TAX CREDIT. THEY'RE

01:41:07.494 --> 01:41:09.229
COMING OFF LEASE. IF YOU DO THE

01:41:09.296 --> 01:41:11.198
MATH AND YOU LOOK BACK IN TIME

01:41:11.265 --> 01:41:12.299
LIKE, OKAY, THOSE THREE YEAR

01:41:12.366 --> 01:41:14.101
LEASES NOW SOME ARE TWO YEAR

01:41:14.168 --> 01:41:15.169
LEASES ARE NOW MATURE, ALL

01:41:15.235 --> 01:41:16.270
THOSE VEHICLES ARE COMING INTO

01:41:16.336 --> 01:41:18.071
THE MARKET. I JUST BOUGHT A

01:41:18.138 --> 01:41:19.840
USED EV FOR A FRACTION OF THE

01:41:19.907 --> 01:41:22.443
COST OF THE NEW PRICE. EVEN,

01:41:22.509 --> 01:41:24.211
YOU KNOW, INCENTIVES AND

01:41:24.278 --> 01:41:25.312
SUBSIDIES ASIDE, WHICH THERE

01:41:25.379 --> 01:41:27.114
ARE MANY. AND IT'S GREAT THAT

01:41:27.181 --> 01:41:28.515
THIS STATE HAS THOSE VARIOUS

01:41:28.582 --> 01:41:29.583
PROGRAMS AND THAT LOCAL

01:41:29.650 --> 01:41:30.551
GOVERNMENTS AND UTILITIES AND

01:41:30.617 --> 01:41:32.119
ALL THE VARIOUS PLAYERS ARE

01:41:32.186 --> 01:41:33.554
LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE OF

01:41:33.620 --> 01:41:35.389
INCENTIVES. WE NEED TO BE

01:41:35.456 --> 01:41:36.490
PREPARED FOR ALL OF THESE

01:41:36.557 --> 01:41:37.558
PEOPLE WHO'VE NEVER DRIVEN AN

01:41:37.624 --> 01:41:40.027
EV BEFORE OR BUYING A USED EV.

01:41:40.093 --> 01:41:41.528
AND TO COMMISSIONER SKINNER'S

01:41:41.595 --> 01:41:42.963
POINT, MANY OF THEM LIVING IN

01:41:43.030 --> 01:41:44.031
MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, LIKE HOW

01:41:44.097 --> 01:41:45.499
DO WE SERVE THEIR

01:41:45.566 --> 01:41:47.167
INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IN A WAY

01:41:47.234 --> 01:41:48.368
THAT IS A GOOD EXPERIENCE,

01:41:48.435 --> 01:41:49.770
THAT'S FRICTIONLESS, THAT

01:41:49.837 --> 01:41:51.672
DOESN'T CAUSE THEM TO SAY, WHAT

01:41:51.738 --> 01:41:54.007
DID I DO THIS? THIS IS NOT

01:41:54.074 --> 01:41:55.142
WORKING OUT FOR ME AND MY

01:41:55.209 --> 01:41:57.344
FAMILY. SO I THINK THIS IS OUR

01:41:57.411 --> 01:41:58.178
CHALLENGE, WHAT I THINK ABOUT

01:41:58.245 --> 01:41:59.213
EVERY DAY AT THE ENERGY

01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:01.081
COMMISSION NOW IN MY NEW ROLE

01:42:01.148 --> 01:42:02.249
AND TALKING TO OUR LEADERSHIP

01:42:02.316 --> 01:42:03.984
TEAM, LIKE HOW DO WE PUT

01:42:04.051 --> 01:42:05.252
OURSELVES IN THE SHOES OF THE

01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:07.821
NEW DRIVERS, THE NEXT WAVE OF

01:42:07.888 --> 01:42:09.223
MASS MARKET DRIVERS THAT ARE

01:42:09.289 --> 01:42:11.792
FAR LESS TOLERANT OF

01:42:11.859 --> 01:42:12.826
INCONVENIENCE, LIKE ALL OF US

01:42:12.893 --> 01:42:14.561
THAT WERE EARLY ADOPTERS, WE

01:42:14.628 --> 01:42:16.396
TOLERATED SOME LEVEL OF

01:42:16.463 --> 01:42:18.232
INCONVENIENCE. THE NEXT WAVE OF

01:42:18.298 --> 01:42:20.667
BUYERS WILL NOT. SO WE REALLY

01:42:20.734 --> 01:42:22.035
HAVE TO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT

01:42:22.102 --> 01:42:23.136
OUR PROGRAMS. AND THAT'S WHAT

01:42:23.203 --> 01:42:25.439
WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WELL, I

01:42:25.506 --> 01:42:26.507
CONVENIENTLY AUTHORED A BILL

01:42:26.573 --> 01:42:29.776
THIS YEAR, AB 1820, TO HELP

01:42:29.843 --> 01:42:32.679
MAKE THE BASICALLY TO HAVE MORE

01:42:32.746 --> 01:42:35.883
RELIABLE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING

01:42:35.949 --> 01:42:38.752
CHARGER COSTS TO INSTALL

01:42:38.819 --> 01:42:40.053
CHARGERS AND MAKE SURE FEES

01:42:40.120 --> 01:42:44.124
WERE NOT UNREASONABLE. BUT I

01:42:44.191 --> 01:42:47.361
ALSO WE HAD A HEARING THIS. MY

01:42:47.427 --> 01:42:49.162
SELECT COMMITTEE HAD A HEARING

01:42:49.229 --> 01:42:50.797
AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, I

01:42:50.864 --> 01:42:52.900
THINK, AND THIS WAS A BIG TOPIC

01:42:52.966 --> 01:42:54.801
AT OUR HEARING. AND ONE OF THE

01:42:54.868 --> 01:42:56.803
THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED ALSO,

01:42:56.870 --> 01:42:58.272
WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT THAT

01:42:58.338 --> 01:43:00.340
WE DON'T OVERLOOK, IS THAT, YOU

01:43:00.407 --> 01:43:02.843
KNOW, MOST PEOPLE DON'T. WHAT'S

01:43:02.910 --> 01:43:04.278
THE AVERAGE THAT PEOPLE DRIVE

01:43:04.344 --> 01:43:06.446
LIKE 34 MILES A DAY OR

01:43:06.513 --> 01:43:08.315
SOMETHING LIKE THAT? DO YOU

01:43:08.382 --> 01:43:10.450
REMEMBER? YEAH, IT'S A ROUGHLY

01:43:10.517 --> 01:43:11.652
BETWEEN 30 AND 40 MILES. THE

01:43:11.718 --> 01:43:12.686
PROBLEM WITH THESE KIND OF

01:43:12.753 --> 01:43:14.421
STATISTICS, THOUGH, IS YOU, YOU,

01:43:14.488 --> 01:43:15.822
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN EVIL IN

01:43:15.889 --> 01:43:18.025
THE DISTRIBUTED, YOU KNOW,

01:43:18.091 --> 01:43:19.826
CURVE AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE

01:43:19.893 --> 01:43:21.528
MANY OF OR LOWER INCOME WHO ARE

01:43:21.595 --> 01:43:22.563
DRIVING GREAT DISTANCES TO GET

01:43:22.629 --> 01:43:25.165
TO THEIR JOBS. AND SO I KNOW

01:43:25.232 --> 01:43:27.067
THIS IS A, WHEN I WAS IN THE

01:43:27.134 --> 01:43:28.168
INDUSTRY, THIS WAS, OH, WELL,

01:43:28.235 --> 01:43:30.070
YOU KNOW, EVS ONLY NEED TO HAVE

01:43:30.137 --> 01:43:31.905
100 MILES OF RANGE BECAUSE THE

01:43:31.972 --> 01:43:32.940
AVERAGE DISTANCE PEOPLE TRAVEL

01:43:33.006 --> 01:43:34.908
IS 30 MILES A DAY. WELL, NO, IT

01:43:34.975 --> 01:43:36.009
DOESN'T REALLY WORK OUT LIKE

01:43:36.076 --> 01:43:37.177
THAT. AND FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE

01:43:37.244 --> 01:43:38.912
MOST IMPACTED THAT HAVE A

01:43:38.979 --> 01:43:39.913
COUPLE KIDS AND THEY'RE

01:43:39.980 --> 01:43:41.048
SHUTTLING KIDS HERE AND THERE,

01:43:41.114 --> 01:43:42.916
AND THEY'VE GOT A JOB AND MAYBE

01:43:42.983 --> 01:43:44.051
TWO JOBS AND THEY'RE DRIVING

01:43:44.117 --> 01:43:45.152
ALL THIS DISTANCE. SO KNOW THIS

01:43:45.218 --> 01:43:47.087
IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THE DEEP

01:43:47.154 --> 01:43:50.424
PENETRATION, THE 90, 95, 100%

01:43:50.490 --> 01:43:52.192
TRANSITION TO THIS TECHNOLOGY,

01:43:52.259 --> 01:43:54.361
WE HAVE TO REACH ALL OF THE

01:43:54.428 --> 01:43:55.696
DRIVERS AND ALL OF THEIR

01:43:55.762 --> 01:43:56.830
VARIOUS USE CASES. AND I THINK

01:43:56.897 --> 01:43:59.366
IT'S REALLY VITAL TO NOT GET

01:43:59.433 --> 01:44:00.601
SEDUCED BY THIS IDEA. OH, IT'S

01:44:00.667 --> 01:44:02.269
ONLY 30 MILES A DAY. YEAH. FOR

01:44:02.336 --> 01:44:04.204
A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT'S 30 MILES

01:44:04.271 --> 01:44:06.106
A DAY, SOME LESS. AND THIS GETS

01:44:06.173 --> 01:44:07.174
INTO LIKE, WHAT IS THE

01:44:07.240 --> 01:44:08.108
PROPORTION? AND COMMISSIONER

01:44:08.175 --> 01:44:09.476
SKINNER AND I TALK ABOUT THIS

01:44:09.543 --> 01:44:12.346
REGULARLY. HOW MUCH LEVEL ONE

01:44:12.412 --> 01:44:14.014
CHARGING IS EVEN VIABLE FOR A

01:44:14.081 --> 01:44:15.315
LOT OF THESE FOLKS? I MEAN,

01:44:15.382 --> 01:44:17.117
YEAH, IF YOU ARE RETIRED AND

01:44:17.184 --> 01:44:18.485
YOU'RE DRIVING TO THE STORE IN

01:44:18.552 --> 01:44:20.153
THE LIBRARY TWICE A WEEK, THEN

01:44:20.220 --> 01:44:21.288
LEVEL ONE IS GREAT. BUT IF

01:44:21.355 --> 01:44:22.456
YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO'S COMMUTING

01:44:22.522 --> 01:44:24.558
EVERY DAY MORE THAN 30 MILES,

01:44:24.625 --> 01:44:25.659
THEN MAYBE LEVEL ONE DOESN'T

01:44:25.726 --> 01:44:27.794
WORK. SO LEVEL TWO, WHAT POWER

01:44:27.861 --> 01:44:29.296
LEVELS OF LEVEL TWO LIKE THAT?

01:44:29.363 --> 01:44:32.432
LEVEL TWO GOES FROM 2 OR 3KW TO

01:44:32.499 --> 01:44:34.301
UP TO 19. UTILITIES GET NERVOUS

01:44:34.368 --> 01:44:36.203
WHEN YOU SAY 19 KILOWATT LEVEL

01:44:36.269 --> 01:44:37.871
TWO CHARGING. HOW ARE OUR

01:44:37.938 --> 01:44:38.972
TRANSFORMERS GOING TO HANDLE

01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:42.509
THAT? I WOULD SAY 6 TO 9KW IS

01:44:42.576 --> 01:44:44.044
THE RANGE. AND THEN FOR DC FAST

01:44:44.111 --> 01:44:45.545
CHARGING, LIKE WHAT MAKES SENSE,

01:44:45.612 --> 01:44:47.581
LIKE ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE

01:44:47.648 --> 01:44:49.016
ON THE TABLE AS WE THINK ABOUT

01:44:49.082 --> 01:44:50.117
OUR INVESTMENTS, THE

01:44:50.183 --> 01:44:51.184
REQUIREMENTS WE PUT INTO OUR

01:44:51.251 --> 01:44:53.720
GRANT AGREEMENTS FOR STATE

01:44:53.787 --> 01:44:54.788
MONEY BEING LEVERAGED FOR

01:44:54.855 --> 01:44:55.856
CHARGING. SO REALLY, REALLY

01:44:55.922 --> 01:44:58.058
IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ABOUT LIKE,

01:44:58.125 --> 01:44:59.826
DO WE HAVE A TARGET OR DO WE

01:44:59.893 --> 01:45:01.228
NEED TO LOOK AT A DISTRIBUTION

01:45:01.294 --> 01:45:02.863
AND A RANGE OF DIFFERENT KINDS

01:45:02.929 --> 01:45:03.997
OF USE CASES AND MAKE SURE

01:45:04.064 --> 01:45:05.799
WE'RE NOT LOSING PEOPLE AT THE

01:45:05.866 --> 01:45:08.835
MARGINS? JUST ONE LAST QUESTION.

01:45:08.902 --> 01:45:10.637
ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT

01:45:10.704 --> 01:45:14.241
I'VE BEEN HAVING LOCALLY WITH

01:45:14.307 --> 01:45:17.844
UTILITIES IN MY AREA IS AROUND

01:45:17.911 --> 01:45:20.380
EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THE

01:45:20.447 --> 01:45:21.815
REQUIREMENTS AROUND EMERGENCY

01:45:21.882 --> 01:45:26.486
VEHICLES AND, AND THE I

01:45:26.553 --> 01:45:27.854
RECENTLY HAD A MEETING, AN HOUR

01:45:27.921 --> 01:45:30.457
LONG MEETING WITH MY WATER

01:45:30.524 --> 01:45:33.326
BOARD AND WATER AGENCY. AND

01:45:33.393 --> 01:45:35.162
THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, DOING A

01:45:35.228 --> 01:45:36.363
LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE. THEY'VE

01:45:36.430 --> 01:45:38.732
BEEN TRYING OUT HEAVY DUTY

01:45:38.799 --> 01:45:41.635
VEHICLES AND HAVE NOT ACTUALLY

01:45:41.702 --> 01:45:43.070
FOUND ANYTHING ON THE MARKET

01:45:43.136 --> 01:45:44.504
THAT CAN DO WHAT THEY NEED. AND

01:45:44.571 --> 01:45:46.440
SO IT'S A REAL IT'S A REAL

01:45:46.506 --> 01:45:48.442
BARRIER FOR ADOPTION. OBVIOUSLY,

01:45:48.508 --> 01:45:50.210
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT

01:45:50.277 --> 01:45:52.546
HAVING SEMIS THAT YOU CAN FILL

01:45:52.612 --> 01:45:54.581
WITH GRAVEL, AND THEN IT CAN

01:45:54.648 --> 01:45:56.817
TOW A TRAILER WITH A, YOU KNOW,

01:45:56.883 --> 01:46:00.287
WITH A, WITH SOME KIND OF HEAVY

01:46:00.353 --> 01:46:01.621
MACHINERY ON, ON IT. RIGHT. I

01:46:01.688 --> 01:46:03.590
MEAN, THAT IF YOU IMAGINE A

01:46:03.657 --> 01:46:05.358
BATTERY DOING THAT, THAT IT'S A,

01:46:05.425 --> 01:46:09.296
IT'S A LOT OF LOAD. AND SO I,

01:46:09.362 --> 01:46:13.300
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE HEAVY DUTY

01:46:13.366 --> 01:46:15.068
VEHICLES ARE CRITICAL IN MAKING

01:46:15.135 --> 01:46:16.737
OUR GOALS. I THINK IT'S A

01:46:16.803 --> 01:46:17.904
REALLY DIFFERENT SCENARIO WHEN

01:46:17.971 --> 01:46:20.540
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW,

01:46:20.607 --> 01:46:22.642
BIG HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS THAT HAVE

01:46:22.709 --> 01:46:25.045
A, A PLANNED ROUTE AND THEY

01:46:25.112 --> 01:46:26.179
KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND

01:46:26.246 --> 01:46:27.981
THEY KNOW HOW MANY MILES THEY

01:46:28.048 --> 01:46:29.850
NEED AND ALL OF THAT, AND THEY

01:46:29.916 --> 01:46:31.017
CAN COME AND CHARGE AT KEY

01:46:31.084 --> 01:46:32.953
POINTS OR WHEN THEY GET BACK OR

01:46:33.019 --> 01:46:33.954
WHATEVER. AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU

01:46:34.020 --> 01:46:35.956
KNOW, THE SOME OF THE TRUCKS

01:46:36.022 --> 01:46:37.157
THAT ARE COMING ON THE MARKET

01:46:37.224 --> 01:46:38.959
RIGHT NOW ARE, ARE CHANGING THE

01:46:39.025 --> 01:46:40.327
GAME AND A GAME CHANGER IN THIS

01:46:40.393 --> 01:46:42.028
SPACE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING

01:46:42.095 --> 01:46:44.264
ABOUT EMERGENCY SITUATIONS

01:46:44.331 --> 01:46:45.432
WHERE THERE MAY BE POWER DOWN,

01:46:45.499 --> 01:46:47.167
WHERE YOU CANNOT CHARGE UP,

01:46:47.234 --> 01:46:48.935
WHERE YOU MAY NOT, YOU MAY BE

01:46:49.002 --> 01:46:51.838
OUT IN THE FIELD FOR, YOU KNOW,

01:46:51.905 --> 01:46:55.442
DAYS. I'M WONDERING WHAT IS THE

01:46:55.509 --> 01:46:56.777
THINKING AROUND CARB AND THE

01:46:56.843 --> 01:46:59.479
OTHER PIECE OF THIS, WHICH, YOU

01:46:59.546 --> 01:47:01.214
KNOW, FOR THIS PARTICULAR

01:47:01.281 --> 01:47:02.983
AGENCY, THEY'VE ALREADY RAISED

01:47:03.049 --> 01:47:05.485
THEIR RATES 5% FOR THE NEXT

01:47:05.552 --> 01:47:09.122
FIVE YEARS EACH YEAR. SO 25%

01:47:09.189 --> 01:47:11.291
INCREASES OVER THE NEXT FIVE

01:47:11.358 --> 01:47:13.760
YEARS. AND EVERY ADDITIONAL

01:47:13.827 --> 01:47:15.462
MILLION DOLLARS THAT THEY SPEND.

01:47:15.529 --> 01:47:16.997
I THINK THIS WAS A STATISTICS

01:47:17.063 --> 01:47:18.465
DON'T QUOTE ME IF I'M WRONG,

01:47:18.532 --> 01:47:20.634
BUT IS FOR EVERY MILLION

01:47:20.700 --> 01:47:22.068
DOLLARS THEY SPEND, IT'S AN

01:47:22.135 --> 01:47:24.571
ADDITIONAL 1% INCREASE ON

01:47:24.638 --> 01:47:27.774
RATEPAYERS. SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE

01:47:27.841 --> 01:47:30.577
ARE STRUGGLING AS A LEGISLATURE

01:47:30.644 --> 01:47:33.213
TO ALSO CONTROL THE COST OF

01:47:33.280 --> 01:47:34.347
UTILITIES, AND THIS IS

01:47:34.414 --> 01:47:35.348
SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY

01:47:35.415 --> 01:47:39.019
STRETCHING PEOPLE'S WALLETS,

01:47:39.085 --> 01:47:40.387
ESPECIALLY WITH THESE HOTTER

01:47:40.453 --> 01:47:42.222
DAYS THAT WE HAVE ALL THE TIME

01:47:42.289 --> 01:47:45.792
NOW. IS THERE A CONVERSATIONS

01:47:45.859 --> 01:47:47.627
HAPPENING WITHIN CARB AROUND

01:47:47.694 --> 01:47:48.862
THESE CHALLENGES? I KNOW THERE

01:47:48.929 --> 01:47:50.263
WERE EXEMPTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN,

01:47:50.330 --> 01:47:53.433
I THINK, TO FIRE AND MAYBE

01:47:53.500 --> 01:47:55.535
SOMEONE ELSE AROUND EMERGENCY

01:47:55.602 --> 01:47:57.671
VEHICLES. OR HOW ARE WE

01:47:57.737 --> 01:47:58.772
THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE

01:47:58.839 --> 01:48:00.540
HAVE THIS CHALLENGE OF, OF

01:48:00.607 --> 01:48:03.076
CHICKEN AND EGG WHERE LIKE, WE

01:48:03.143 --> 01:48:04.945
NEED THE DEMAND TO, TO BE ABLE

01:48:05.011 --> 01:48:06.112
FOR THE MARKET TO PRODUCE THE

01:48:06.179 --> 01:48:07.914
KIND OF VEHICLES WE NEED. BUT

01:48:07.981 --> 01:48:10.684
THEN, BUT THEY'RE NOT YET. AND

01:48:10.750 --> 01:48:12.085
THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEADLINE IS

01:48:12.152 --> 01:48:13.220
AROUND THE CORNER FOR SOME OF

01:48:13.286 --> 01:48:15.355
THESE AGENCIES WHO PLAN FIVE OR

01:48:15.422 --> 01:48:17.257
MORE YEARS IN ADVANCE. SO WHAT

01:48:17.324 --> 01:48:18.325
IS YOUR THINKING AND HOW ARE

01:48:18.391 --> 01:48:21.428
YOU TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS?

01:48:21.494 --> 01:48:23.196
YEAH. SO I WOULDN'T BE

01:48:23.263 --> 01:48:24.764
SURPRISED IF OUR TEAM HAS MET

01:48:24.831 --> 01:48:27.234
WITH THE WATER BOARD. THERE'S A

01:48:27.300 --> 01:48:29.402
STRONG EMPHASIS BY ME FOR OUR

01:48:29.469 --> 01:48:31.104
PEOPLE TO GET OUT IN THE WORLD

01:48:31.171 --> 01:48:32.973
AND TO LISTEN. AND SO WE'VE

01:48:33.039 --> 01:48:34.507
TALKED TO A LOT OF FLEETS, AND

01:48:34.574 --> 01:48:36.943
THAT INFORMED AMENDMENTS TO OUR

01:48:37.010 --> 01:48:38.378
STATE AND LOCAL FLEET

01:48:38.445 --> 01:48:40.881
REGULATION TO PROVIDE MORE TIME,

01:48:40.947 --> 01:48:42.315
PROVIDE STREAMLINED EXEMPTIONS.

01:48:42.382 --> 01:48:44.117
AND KIND OF THE BOTTOM LINE IS,

01:48:44.184 --> 01:48:46.987
IF THERE IS NO VEHICLE ON THE

01:48:47.053 --> 01:48:48.355
MARKET THAT THAT CAN DO THE

01:48:48.421 --> 01:48:51.057
WORK THAT FIRMS NEED TO DO OR

01:48:51.124 --> 01:48:53.493
AGENCIES NEED TO DO, THEN THEN

01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:55.395
THEY'RE EXEMPTED. BUT WE NEED

01:48:55.462 --> 01:48:57.130
TO DO MORE THAN THAT. AND SO I

01:48:57.197 --> 01:48:59.099
THINK IN THIS FIRST YEAR OF

01:48:59.165 --> 01:49:01.568
IMPLEMENTATION, WE'RE WE ARE

01:49:01.635 --> 01:49:03.970
GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF

01:49:04.037 --> 01:49:05.705
INFORMATION GATHERING AND

01:49:05.772 --> 01:49:06.806
UNDERSTANDING THE THE

01:49:06.873 --> 01:49:08.275
EXPERIENCE AND GETTING MORE

01:49:08.341 --> 01:49:11.111
INFORMATION ON THIS. THE FACT

01:49:11.177 --> 01:49:12.579
IS THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THERE

01:49:12.646 --> 01:49:13.813
ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF

01:49:13.880 --> 01:49:15.482
EMERGENCY VEHICLES. SO CAN WE

01:49:15.548 --> 01:49:16.716
COME TO A COMMON UNDERSTANDING

01:49:16.783 --> 01:49:18.718
ABOUT WHAT THAT IS? AND THEN

01:49:18.785 --> 01:49:21.922
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT DUTY CYCLE

01:49:21.988 --> 01:49:22.956
REQUIRE? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A

01:49:23.023 --> 01:49:24.758
FAIR AMOUNT OF INTEREST IN THE

01:49:24.824 --> 01:49:29.863
IN THE OEM COMMUNITY. AND SOME

01:49:29.930 --> 01:49:31.431
SKEPTICISM ON, ON, ON, ON MY

01:49:31.498 --> 01:49:33.400
PART THAT IT'S GOING TO SAVE US.

01:49:33.466 --> 01:49:35.635
BUT DEPENDING ON WHO YOU TALK

01:49:35.702 --> 01:49:36.703
TO, THEY'RE CALLED EXTENDED

01:49:36.770 --> 01:49:38.505
RANGE ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR

01:49:38.571 --> 01:49:41.741
REEVES. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, RAM IS

01:49:41.808 --> 01:49:43.176
COMING OUT WITH AN EXTENDED

01:49:43.243 --> 01:49:45.679
RANGE TRUCK THAT COULD BE

01:49:45.745 --> 01:49:47.113
OUTFITTED FOR SOME OF THESE

01:49:47.180 --> 01:49:50.750
EMERGENCY PURPOSES THAT WILL GO

01:49:50.817 --> 01:49:53.987
600 PLUS PLUS MILES, BUT YOU'LL

01:49:54.054 --> 01:49:55.588
NEVER RUN OUT OF. THE FUNCTION

01:49:55.655 --> 01:49:56.823
OF THE BATTERY IS SIMPLY TO

01:49:56.890 --> 01:49:59.025
CONSTANTLY RECHARGE THE ENGINE,

01:49:59.092 --> 01:50:02.295
SO YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE POWER.

01:50:02.362 --> 01:50:05.165
RIGHT? EXACTLY. THANK YOU.

01:50:05.231 --> 01:50:08.735
STEVE SPENCER. THE THE, THE

01:50:08.802 --> 01:50:10.003
ENGINE IS JUST USED TO RECHARGE

01:50:10.070 --> 01:50:12.706
THE BATTERY. SO AN EMERGENCY

01:50:12.772 --> 01:50:14.541
VEHICLE WILL NEVER BE STUCK IN

01:50:14.607 --> 01:50:16.743
TERMS OF ACCOMPLISHING ITS

01:50:16.810 --> 01:50:17.777
MISSION. AND THAT'S THAT'S

01:50:17.844 --> 01:50:19.412
GOING TO BE ON THE MARKET

01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:21.681
SHORTLY. NOW THAT WON'T WORK IF

01:50:21.748 --> 01:50:24.951
YOU'RE TRYING TO TOW A, YOU

01:50:25.018 --> 01:50:27.854
KNOW, SEMI TRAILER TRUCK THAT'S

01:50:27.921 --> 01:50:30.357
ON, YOU KNOW, CLOGGING UP THE

01:50:30.423 --> 01:50:33.927
I-5. AND SO FOR THOSE, THOSE

01:50:33.994 --> 01:50:36.129
APPLICATIONS, THEY MAY STILL

01:50:36.196 --> 01:50:37.564
REQUIRE VERY CLEAN DIESEL

01:50:37.630 --> 01:50:41.134
ENGINE FOR SOME TIME. AND SO WE

01:50:41.201 --> 01:50:42.569
RECOGNIZE THESE REALITIES. AND

01:50:42.635 --> 01:50:43.737
THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, WE'RE OUT IN

01:50:43.803 --> 01:50:45.805
THE WORLD LISTENING,

01:50:45.872 --> 01:50:47.607
UNDERSTANDING AND AND ADAPTING

01:50:47.674 --> 01:50:50.944
OUR RULES. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M

01:50:51.011 --> 01:50:53.013
GOING TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS,

01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:53.813
HOPEFULLY A QUICK ANSWER

01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:56.683
BECAUSE WE HAVE A WHOLE NOTHER

01:50:56.750 --> 01:51:00.253
PANEL COMING UP MUCH LARGER

01:51:00.320 --> 01:51:01.654
THAN THIS ONE AND WANT TO MAKE

01:51:01.721 --> 01:51:02.756
SURE THAT THEY ALL HAVE AN

01:51:02.822 --> 01:51:04.557
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. SO THE

01:51:04.624 --> 01:51:06.359
FIRST THING IS FOR THE MY EV

01:51:06.426 --> 01:51:09.229
INCENTIVE PROGRAM, WHAT ARE THE

01:51:09.295 --> 01:51:10.663
PARAMETERS AROUND IT? IS THERE

01:51:10.730 --> 01:51:13.933
IS THERE AN INCOME LIMIT? IS IT

01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:17.937
JUST SECOND USED EVS? WHAT WHAT

01:51:18.004 --> 01:51:19.572
ARE WE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT

01:51:19.639 --> 01:51:20.707
WE'RE GETTING THE MOST BANG FOR

01:51:20.774 --> 01:51:23.977
THE BUCK IN THIS PROGRAM? YEAH,

01:51:24.044 --> 01:51:26.112
THERE'S NO INCOME LIMIT. THERE

01:51:26.179 --> 01:51:28.681
IS AN MSRP LIMIT.

01:51:28.748 --> 01:51:30.417
MANUFACTURER'S SUGGESTED RETAIL

01:51:30.483 --> 01:51:34.421
PRICE OF $50,000. SO TO BE AN

01:51:34.487 --> 01:51:37.690
ELIGIBLE VEHICLE, IT HAS TO BE

01:51:37.757 --> 01:51:40.160
$50,000 OR LESS. UNLESS YOU

01:51:40.226 --> 01:51:41.928
HAPPEN TO BE A VEHICLE SELLER

01:51:41.995 --> 01:51:44.464
WHO'S HAS HEADQUARTERED IN

01:51:44.531 --> 01:51:47.000
HEADQUARTERS IN CALIFORNIA. SO

01:51:47.067 --> 01:51:49.536
THAT THAT PRICE LIMIT ON THE

01:51:49.602 --> 01:51:51.304
VEHICLE DOES NOT APPLY TO

01:51:51.371 --> 01:51:55.275
RIVIAN AND TO, TO LUCID. SO THE

01:51:55.341 --> 01:51:57.110
FOR A USED VEHICLE, THE MSRP

01:51:57.177 --> 01:51:59.979
LIMIT IS $25,000 TO BE ELIGIBLE.

01:52:00.046 --> 01:52:01.381
AND THEN THE CORRESPONDING

01:52:01.448 --> 01:52:02.549
INCENTIVE IS IS LESS FOR THE

01:52:02.615 --> 01:52:05.752
USED VEHICLE. OKAY. AND THEN

01:52:05.819 --> 01:52:08.955
THE VERY LAST QUESTION, THE,

01:52:09.022 --> 01:52:12.959
THE AND THIS IS MAYBE

01:52:13.026 --> 01:52:13.660
COMMISSIONER SKINNER HAS

01:52:13.726 --> 01:52:16.496
SOMETHING TO ADD TO IT. THE CDC

01:52:16.563 --> 01:52:21.601
IS WORKING ON VEHICLE TO GRID

01:52:21.668 --> 01:52:23.002
INTEGRATION. COMMISSIONER

01:52:23.069 --> 01:52:24.804
SKINNER HAD THE BIDIRECTIONAL

01:52:24.871 --> 01:52:26.606
CHARGING BILL. WHAT CAN WE

01:52:26.673 --> 01:52:28.408
EXPECT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS

01:52:28.475 --> 01:52:30.577
AND THE NEXT DECADE ON THAT

01:52:30.643 --> 01:52:32.112
ISSUE? COMMISSIONER SKINNER, DO

01:52:32.178 --> 01:52:34.080
YOU WANT TO TAKE A SHOT? I CAN

01:52:34.147 --> 01:52:37.417
ADD TO ANYTHING. SURE. AND

01:52:37.484 --> 01:52:40.353
MAYBE CHAIR IRWIN, IF YOU

01:52:40.420 --> 01:52:41.754
INDULGE ME, I'D LIKE TO JUST

01:52:41.821 --> 01:52:43.189
ADDRESS A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT

01:52:43.256 --> 01:52:45.325
WERE RAISED IN THE QUESTIONS.

01:52:45.391 --> 01:52:48.895
AND ONE OF THOSE IS THAT WHILE

01:52:48.962 --> 01:52:51.498
THE MY FIRST DV PROGRAM HAS.

01:52:51.564 --> 01:52:53.700
THE INCENTIVE HAS BEEN USED

01:52:53.766 --> 01:52:57.937
LESS FOR USED EVS NATIONWIDE,

01:52:58.004 --> 01:53:00.006
USED EV SALES BROKE RECORDS

01:53:00.073 --> 01:53:03.209
THIS LAST QUARTER, AND WHILE WE

01:53:03.276 --> 01:53:05.044
DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN YET OF

01:53:05.111 --> 01:53:06.813
USED EV SALES FOR THIS QUARTER

01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:09.716
FOR CALIFORNIA, BECAUSE IT'S

01:53:09.782 --> 01:53:11.518
HARDER TO DISCERN THAT FROM THE

01:53:11.584 --> 01:53:13.286
EV DATA. BUT WE'RE GOING TO

01:53:13.353 --> 01:53:14.721
HAVE THAT FOR THE NEXT QUARTER.

01:53:14.787 --> 01:53:16.923
WE'VE GOT OUR STAFF WORKING ON

01:53:16.990 --> 01:53:19.792
HOW TO PARSE THAT OUT. WE KNOW

01:53:19.859 --> 01:53:22.662
THAT EV USED EV SALES ARE WAY

01:53:22.729 --> 01:53:25.865
UP. AND AS WAS ALREADY

01:53:25.932 --> 01:53:27.367
MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF

01:53:27.433 --> 01:53:29.202
EVS COMING OFF A LEASE. AND SO

01:53:29.269 --> 01:53:30.336
AND OF COURSE, WHEN YOU'RE

01:53:30.403 --> 01:53:32.038
BUYING A USED EV, MANY

01:53:32.105 --> 01:53:33.206
CALIFORNIANS WILL BUY A USED EV

01:53:33.273 --> 01:53:34.474
FROM OUT OF STATE. THERE'S SO

01:53:34.541 --> 01:53:36.276
MANY WAYS NOW TO BUY, WHETHER

01:53:36.342 --> 01:53:37.777
IT'S, YOU KNOW, CARMAX OR

01:53:37.844 --> 01:53:38.912
WHATEVER, WHERE YOU'RE BUYING A

01:53:38.978 --> 01:53:39.946
VEHICLE THAT'S THEN DELIVERED

01:53:40.013 --> 01:53:42.382
TO YOU. SO WE WANT TO GET THOSE

01:53:42.448 --> 01:53:44.651
NUMBERS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT

01:53:44.717 --> 01:53:47.153
THERE'S A LOT OF USED EV SALES

01:53:47.220 --> 01:53:48.922
IN ADDITION TO OUR GOOD NUMBERS

01:53:48.988 --> 01:53:53.293
ON. ON NEW EV SALES. BUT I

01:53:53.359 --> 01:53:55.795
THINK IF THE LEGISLATURE WILL

01:53:55.862 --> 01:53:57.263
CONTINUE THE MY FIRST TV

01:53:57.330 --> 01:53:59.399
PROGRAM, WHICH I HIGHLY, HIGHLY

01:53:59.465 --> 01:54:01.935
ENCOURAGE, MIGHT LOOK AT HOW TO

01:54:02.001 --> 01:54:04.103
ADD SOME DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT

01:54:04.170 --> 01:54:06.973
COULD FOR SURE HELP THE ABILITY

01:54:07.040 --> 01:54:09.075
FOR A PERSON TO USE IT FOR A

01:54:09.142 --> 01:54:11.177
USED EV. AND YOU KNOW, THAT

01:54:11.244 --> 01:54:12.378
JUST NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL

01:54:12.445 --> 01:54:14.847
THINKING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,

01:54:14.914 --> 01:54:16.683
IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN, PART

01:54:16.749 --> 01:54:18.685
PART OF IT. BUT I THINK I ALSO

01:54:18.751 --> 01:54:19.919
WANTED TO SAY THAT EVERY ONE OF

01:54:19.986 --> 01:54:21.688
THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE,

01:54:21.754 --> 01:54:23.289
IT'S A MARKET SIGNAL. AND TO

01:54:23.356 --> 01:54:25.792
THE POINT OF THE FEAR OF LACK

01:54:25.858 --> 01:54:27.427
OF SUPPLY, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A

01:54:27.493 --> 01:54:29.596
FEAR I RACE TO RIGHT NOW. WE

01:54:29.662 --> 01:54:33.600
ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE AHEAD ON

01:54:33.666 --> 01:54:35.768
INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT BEHIND ON

01:54:35.835 --> 01:54:37.103
VEHICLES, NOT BEHIND IN TERMS

01:54:37.170 --> 01:54:39.339
OF OUR TOTAL GOALS, BUT BECAUSE

01:54:39.405 --> 01:54:41.174
WE PROJECTED WE'RE AHEAD OF HOW

01:54:41.241 --> 01:54:42.942
MANY WE THOUGHT EVS THAT WE

01:54:43.009 --> 01:54:45.545
THOUGHT WE'D HAVE OF TODAY. BUT

01:54:45.612 --> 01:54:47.614
IN TERMS OF WHAT THE

01:54:47.680 --> 01:54:49.115
MANUFACTURERS ARE DOING,

01:54:49.182 --> 01:54:50.917
THEY'RE SENDING TO CONSUMERS A

01:54:50.984 --> 01:54:53.019
KIND OF UNCERTAINTY AROUND EVS,

01:54:53.086 --> 01:54:54.821
AND WE DON'T NEED THAT. SO

01:54:54.887 --> 01:54:56.656
EVERYTHING WE DO, IF WE

01:54:56.723 --> 01:54:57.690
CONTINUE INCENTIVES, WE

01:54:57.757 --> 01:54:59.125
CONTINUE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE

01:54:59.192 --> 01:55:00.960
MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN BUY USED.

01:55:01.027 --> 01:55:02.395
THEN WE'RE TELLING THE

01:55:02.462 --> 01:55:04.197
AUTOMAKERS, HEY, THIS BIGGEST

01:55:04.264 --> 01:55:05.999
MARKET IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS

01:55:06.065 --> 01:55:07.900
STILL GOING. EVS DO NOT DITCH

01:55:07.967 --> 01:55:09.969
IT. SO THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT

01:55:10.036 --> 01:55:12.872
MARKET SIGNALS TO SEND. AND THE

01:55:12.939 --> 01:55:14.974
THING ON MULTIFAMILY HOUSING I

01:55:15.041 --> 01:55:16.776
WANTED TO RAISE, LIKE, YES,

01:55:16.843 --> 01:55:18.778
LEVEL ONE ALONE IS NOT ADEQUATE

01:55:18.845 --> 01:55:21.080
FOR MOST PEOPLE. HOWEVER, IN

01:55:21.147 --> 01:55:22.248
MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, LEVEL ONE

01:55:22.315 --> 01:55:23.950
IS VERY MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE.

01:55:24.017 --> 01:55:25.818
AND IF WE CAN MIX LEVEL ONE

01:55:25.885 --> 01:55:28.554
WITH LEVEL TWO IN MULTIFAMILY,

01:55:28.621 --> 01:55:30.123
THEN WE CAN SERVE PEOPLE'S

01:55:30.189 --> 01:55:31.991
NEEDS MUCH BETTER AND GET MUCH

01:55:32.058 --> 01:55:34.761
MORE CHARGING INTO THESE

01:55:34.827 --> 01:55:35.862
MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES. SO WE

01:55:35.928 --> 01:55:37.697
DON'T WANT TO ABANDON THAT AT

01:55:37.764 --> 01:55:39.432
ALL. AND OF COURSE, AS WE

01:55:39.499 --> 01:55:41.968
EXPAND THE PUBLIC, DC FAST

01:55:42.035 --> 01:55:43.870
CHARGING THOSE FOLKS WHO, YOU

01:55:43.936 --> 01:55:45.938
KNOW, HAVE LESS CHARGING

01:55:46.005 --> 01:55:47.273
ACCESSIBILITY AT HOME, OR MAYBE

01:55:47.340 --> 01:55:48.908
IT DOESN'T CHARGE THEM FULLY IN

01:55:48.975 --> 01:55:51.311
ONE NIGHT, THEY CAN THEN

01:55:51.377 --> 01:55:53.613
AUGMENT WITH THE PUBLIC DC FAST.

01:55:53.680 --> 01:55:56.382
BUT WE REALLY NEED, YOU KNOW,

01:55:56.449 --> 01:55:58.885
JUST ABILITY TO CHARGE AT

01:55:58.951 --> 01:56:01.054
MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. NOW ON THE

01:56:01.120 --> 01:56:02.855
BIDIRECTIONAL THE LEGISLATURE.

01:56:02.922 --> 01:56:05.725
THANK YOU. RETAINED SEX

01:56:05.792 --> 01:56:06.859
JURISDICTION IN THAT AREA, BUT

01:56:06.926 --> 01:56:09.395
YOU JUST PASSED THAT. SO WE AND

01:56:09.462 --> 01:56:12.198
WE JUST GOT ALLOCATED SOME

01:56:12.265 --> 01:56:13.633
FUNDING. SO WE ARE BRINGING ON

01:56:13.700 --> 01:56:16.169
SOME STAFF INTO THE FTD

01:56:16.235 --> 01:56:19.038
DIVISION TO, TO DO THAT WORK.

01:56:19.105 --> 01:56:20.873
AND WE'RE DEVELOPING THE WORK

01:56:20.940 --> 01:56:23.743
PLAN FOR IT RIGHT NOW. BUT I'M,

01:56:23.810 --> 01:56:26.279
I, I'M BULLISH ON IT. SO

01:56:26.346 --> 01:56:27.680
HOPEFULLY WE'LL MAKE SOME GREAT

01:56:27.747 --> 01:56:30.216
PROGRESS. AND THEN BEFORE WE

01:56:30.283 --> 01:56:32.051
TOTALLY CLOSE AND IF YOU DON'T

01:56:32.118 --> 01:56:33.786
MIND, CHAIR IRWIN, I'LL SAY IT

01:56:33.853 --> 01:56:39.192
NOW. THE, THE Kò, OUR FUNDING

01:56:39.258 --> 01:56:41.728
FOR THESE PROGRAMS RIGHT NOW IS

01:56:41.794 --> 01:56:43.796
PRETTY MUCH CONFINED. YOU PUT A

01:56:43.863 --> 01:56:44.997
LITTLE BIT INTO THE GREENHOUSE

01:56:45.064 --> 01:56:46.766
GAS FUND FOR HEAVY DUTY, BUT

01:56:46.833 --> 01:56:48.201
PRETTY MUCH OUR FUNDING IS

01:56:48.267 --> 01:56:50.403
CONFINED TO THE CLEAN

01:56:50.470 --> 01:56:51.671
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM DOLLARS,

01:56:51.738 --> 01:56:53.573
WHICH IS A FIXED FEE REVENUES,

01:56:53.639 --> 01:56:55.408
WHICH IS CONTINUAL. AND IT'S

01:56:55.475 --> 01:56:58.945
ABOUT IT'S 96 MILLION OR 94

01:56:59.011 --> 01:57:00.480
MILLION A YEAR FOR US. NOW, ONE

01:57:00.546 --> 01:57:02.215
OF THE THINGS THAT SPENCER

01:57:02.281 --> 01:57:04.417
SHOWED ON HIS SLIDES WAS WHAT

01:57:04.484 --> 01:57:07.387
WE'RE FUNDING. AND WE. SO WE

01:57:07.453 --> 01:57:09.122
HAVE TO FUND MULTIFAMILY. I

01:57:09.188 --> 01:57:12.325
MEAN, EXCUSE ME, HEAVY DUTY AND

01:57:12.392 --> 01:57:13.459
MEDIUM DUTY WITH THAT, WE HAVE

01:57:13.526 --> 01:57:15.561
TO FUND EVS. BUT WE'RE ALSO

01:57:15.628 --> 01:57:19.532
REQUIRED A SET ASIDE OF 15% FOR

01:57:19.599 --> 01:57:20.733
HYDROGEN. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT

01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:23.803
THE NUMBERS NOW IN HYDROGEN,

01:57:23.870 --> 01:57:27.573
THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST

01:57:27.640 --> 01:57:31.043
NOT MATERIALIZING. THE, THE WE

01:57:31.110 --> 01:57:32.245
FUND STATIONS AND THEN THEY

01:57:32.311 --> 01:57:33.546
GIVE US MONEY BACK OR THE

01:57:33.613 --> 01:57:36.115
STATIONS CLOSE THE TOTAL NUMBER

01:57:36.182 --> 01:57:37.884
OF LIGHT DUTY HYDROGEN FUEL

01:57:37.950 --> 01:57:39.819
CELL VEHICLES IN THE STATE

01:57:39.886 --> 01:57:42.221
RIGHT NOW REGISTERED IS ONLY

01:57:42.288 --> 01:57:44.023
14,000 WITHIN THE HEAVY DUTY

01:57:44.090 --> 01:57:45.425
SECTOR. WE HAVE SOME TRANSIT

01:57:45.491 --> 01:57:47.994
GOING TO HYDROGEN, BUT NOT

01:57:48.060 --> 01:57:49.429
REALLY OTHER BIG TRUCKS OR

01:57:49.495 --> 01:57:50.863
FREIGHT OR SUCH. THEY'RE GOING

01:57:50.930 --> 01:57:54.801
EV. SO OUR THAT REQUIREMENT IS

01:57:54.867 --> 01:57:56.969
NOW FORCING US. WE'VE SPENT

01:57:57.036 --> 01:57:58.371
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, BELIEVE

01:57:58.438 --> 01:58:01.674
IT OR NOT, ON HYDROGEN FUELING

01:58:01.741 --> 01:58:03.576
FOR REALLY VERY FEW VEHICLES.

01:58:03.643 --> 01:58:05.545
AND IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO WHAT

01:58:05.611 --> 01:58:07.380
WE'VE SPENT TO SUPPORT EVS,

01:58:07.447 --> 01:58:09.816
IT'S DISPROPORTIONATE. SO WE DO

01:58:09.882 --> 01:58:11.017
NEED TO FIX THAT PROPORTION.

01:58:11.083 --> 01:58:12.819
BUT WE ARE UNDER A LEGISLATIVE

01:58:12.885 --> 01:58:14.253
MANDATE. SO I THOUGHT I WOULD

01:58:14.320 --> 01:58:15.555
RAISE IT JUST VERY QUICKLY ON

01:58:15.621 --> 01:58:17.256
THE VEHICLE TO GRID. THERE IS A

01:58:17.323 --> 01:58:18.591
WEBINAR WE'RE HOSTING ON

01:58:18.658 --> 01:58:19.625
NOVEMBER 10TH ON VEHICLE TO

01:58:19.692 --> 01:58:21.194
HOME TECHNOLOGY. SO WE HAVE A

01:58:21.260 --> 01:58:22.895
VGI UNIT WITHIN MY DIVISION.

01:58:22.962 --> 01:58:24.330
WE'VE GOT STAFF, WE'RE HIRING

01:58:24.397 --> 01:58:25.765
MORE. SO THERE IS A LOT OF

01:58:25.832 --> 01:58:27.433
ACTIVITY RIGHT NOW. SO I WOULD

01:58:27.500 --> 01:58:28.634
JUST SAY FOR FOLKS INTERESTED

01:58:28.701 --> 01:58:30.837
IN THE FIRST LOGICAL STEP IN

01:58:30.903 --> 01:58:32.438
THE VEHICLE TO GRID IS THE

01:58:32.505 --> 01:58:34.373
VEHICLE TO HOME TECHNOLOGY.

01:58:34.440 --> 01:58:36.209
NOVEMBER 10TH. IF YOU GO TO CCS

01:58:36.275 --> 01:58:37.677
WEBSITE, YOU'LL FIND ALL THE

01:58:37.743 --> 01:58:38.778
INFORMATION YOU NEED FOR THAT.

01:58:38.845 --> 01:58:40.880
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A TON OF

01:58:40.947 --> 01:58:44.484
OPPORTUNITY THERE. SO YEAH, THE

01:58:44.550 --> 01:58:45.885
YEAH, ESPECIALLY IN, IN OUR

01:58:45.952 --> 01:58:46.919
AREA WHERE WE'RE DEALING WITH

01:58:46.986 --> 01:58:49.889
THE PSPS. ALL RIGHT. WELL,

01:58:49.956 --> 01:58:52.758
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR

01:58:52.825 --> 01:58:54.026
PANELISTS. MAYBE WE CAN GIVE

01:58:54.093 --> 01:58:58.130
THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. THANK

01:58:58.197 --> 01:59:02.869
YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND I'D LIKE TO

01:59:02.935 --> 01:59:04.370
WELCOME OUR SECOND PANEL UP FOR

01:59:04.437 --> 01:59:07.507
AN IN DEPTH DISCUSSION OF EV

01:59:07.573 --> 01:59:09.675
DEPLOYMENT IN CALIFORNIA. WHAT

01:59:09.742 --> 01:59:10.877
IS BEING DONE TO SUPPORT EVS

01:59:10.943 --> 01:59:12.845
AND WHAT MORE WE COULD DO AT

01:59:12.912 --> 01:59:14.614
THE STATE LEVEL. AND I DON'T

01:59:14.680 --> 01:59:16.582
KNOW IF YOU CAN KIND OF SIT IN

01:59:16.649 --> 01:59:18.150
ORDER. WE ARE FIRST GOING TO

01:59:18.217 --> 01:59:21.287
HAVE AN CARLSON, THEN TRICIA.

01:59:21.354 --> 01:59:25.591
DELO. DELO, CURT. TIM. HAGLE,

01:59:25.658 --> 01:59:29.562
LARA RANGER. AND CRAIG SIEGEL,

01:59:29.629 --> 01:59:31.731
AND THEN PROFESSOR CARLSON. SO

01:59:31.797 --> 01:59:36.736
WE GOT A. YEAH, WE WE HAVE A

01:59:36.802 --> 01:59:40.473
VERY ESTEEMED PANEL HERE. THERE.

01:59:40.540 --> 01:59:45.778
THERE DEFINITELY IS. ALREADY.

01:59:45.845 --> 01:59:47.613
YOU DON'T HAVE TO. DON'T WORRY.

01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:49.415
BUT IT MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE

01:59:49.482 --> 01:59:51.517
EASIER WHEN THE MUSIC STOPS.

01:59:51.584 --> 01:59:58.824
YEAH, THAT'S. YES. YES. OKAY.

01:59:58.891 --> 02:00:02.295
WE CAN DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO

02:00:02.361 --> 02:00:03.496
OUR I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING

02:00:03.563 --> 02:00:05.665
TO DO FIVE MINUTES, FIVE

02:00:05.731 --> 02:00:06.866
MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES. AND THEN

02:00:06.933 --> 02:00:09.502
WE WILL I'M SURE, HAVE MANY

02:00:09.569 --> 02:00:11.304
QUESTIONS. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS

02:00:11.370 --> 02:00:13.873
ANN CARLSON, WHO IS PROFESSOR

02:00:13.940 --> 02:00:15.975
OF ENVIRONMENTAL LAW AND THE

02:00:16.042 --> 02:00:18.511
FACULTY C  DIRECTOR AT THE

02:00:18.578 --> 02:00:20.279
EMMETT INSTITUTE ON CLIMATE

02:00:20.346 --> 02:00:22.148
CHANGE AND THE ENVIRONMENT AT

02:00:22.214 --> 02:00:24.250
UCLA, AND IS A FORMER ACTING

02:00:24.317 --> 02:00:25.351
ADMINISTRATOR OF THE NATIONAL

02:00:25.418 --> 02:00:27.553
HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY

02:00:27.620 --> 02:00:29.388
ADMINISTRATION. WELCOME. THANK

02:00:29.455 --> 02:00:32.959
YOU SO MUCH. OH, THERE WE GO. I

02:00:33.025 --> 02:00:34.727
JUST HAVE TO PRESS A BUTTON.

02:00:34.794 --> 02:00:36.896
THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIRWOMAN

02:00:36.963 --> 02:00:38.631
IRWIN, AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE

02:00:38.698 --> 02:00:40.466
SUCH A NICE TURNOUT BY THE

02:00:40.533 --> 02:00:42.335
COMMITTEES. I WANT TO THANK YOU

02:00:42.401 --> 02:00:44.036
ALSO FOR HOSTING THIS AT UCLA.

02:00:44.103 --> 02:00:45.237
THAT MADE IT VERY CONVENIENT

02:00:45.304 --> 02:00:46.639
FOR ME. BUT THE OTHER THING IT

02:00:46.706 --> 02:00:48.441
DID IS IT ALLOWED A NUMBER OF

02:00:48.507 --> 02:00:50.476
OUR STUDENTS WHO ARE IN A

02:00:50.543 --> 02:00:52.078
LEGISLATIVE POLICY CLINIC AT

02:00:52.144 --> 02:00:54.847
THE LAW SCHOOL TO WATCH LIVE

02:00:54.914 --> 02:00:57.049
INSTEAD OF WATCHING ON ZOOM. SO

02:00:57.116 --> 02:00:58.217
THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND IT'S

02:00:58.284 --> 02:00:59.652
GREAT THAT THEY'RE HERE. SHOUT

02:00:59.719 --> 02:01:03.222
OUT TO OUR STUDENTS. SO I

02:01:03.289 --> 02:01:04.357
SHOULD JUST START BY SAYING

02:01:04.423 --> 02:01:05.424
THAT I WAS A CALIFORNIA

02:01:05.491 --> 02:01:07.793
ASSEMBLY FELLOW IN 1982 AND

02:01:07.860 --> 02:01:08.761
SPENT FOUR YEARS WORKING FOR

02:01:08.828 --> 02:01:10.329
THE STATE LEGISLATURE. SO IT'S

02:01:10.396 --> 02:01:12.131
ALWAYS FUN FOR ME TO TO COME

02:01:12.198 --> 02:01:13.299
BACK, ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY IT'S

02:01:13.366 --> 02:01:15.368
VERY DIFFERENT PLACE WITH

02:01:15.434 --> 02:01:17.637
ENTIRELY NEW FACES. I ALSO WANT

02:01:17.703 --> 02:01:20.473
TO JUST HIGHLIGHT THE

02:01:20.539 --> 02:01:21.273
IMPROVEMENTS IN AIR QUALITY

02:01:21.340 --> 02:01:22.975
THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE

02:01:23.042 --> 02:01:24.443
ACKNOWLEDGED. YOU MAY OR MAY

02:01:24.510 --> 02:01:26.045
NOT KNOW THAT I JUST WROTE A

02:01:26.112 --> 02:01:27.246
BOOK CALLED SMOG AND SUNSHINE

02:01:27.313 --> 02:01:29.048
THE SURPRISING STORY OF HOW LOS

02:01:29.115 --> 02:01:30.182
ANGELES CLEANED UP ITS AIR. AND

02:01:30.249 --> 02:01:31.350
I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO

02:01:31.417 --> 02:01:33.019
STATISTICS, BECAUSE I DO THINK

02:01:33.085 --> 02:01:34.020
IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT

02:01:34.086 --> 02:01:35.588
TO TALK ABOUT JUST HOW MUCH OUR

02:01:35.655 --> 02:01:37.723
AIR QUALITY HAS IMPROVED. ONE

02:01:37.790 --> 02:01:39.558
IS THAT LEAD LEVELS IN LOS

02:01:39.625 --> 02:01:42.028
ANGELES IN THE 1970S WERE 50

02:01:42.094 --> 02:01:43.095
TIMES HIGHER THAN THEY ARE

02:01:43.162 --> 02:01:45.364
TODAY, AND IT WAS THE INVENTION

02:01:45.431 --> 02:01:46.465
OF THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THAT

02:01:46.532 --> 02:01:47.533
REALLY LED TO THE ELIMINATION

02:01:47.600 --> 02:01:49.268
OF OF LEAD IN GASOLINE. SO

02:01:49.335 --> 02:01:50.636
THAT'S ONE. AND THE SECOND IS

02:01:50.703 --> 02:01:52.371
THAT IF YOU GREW UP IN SOUTHERN

02:01:52.438 --> 02:01:54.173
CALIFORNIA AND YOU'RE AS OLD AS

02:01:54.240 --> 02:01:55.274
I AM, YOU EXPERIENCE SMOG

02:01:55.341 --> 02:01:56.442
ALERTS. AND THEY WERE A REGULAR

02:01:56.509 --> 02:01:59.011
PART OF CHILDHOOD IN THE 1970S,

02:01:59.078 --> 02:02:00.613
WE USED TO HAVE STAGE ONE SMOG

02:02:00.680 --> 02:02:01.847
ALERTS ON MORE THAN HALF OF

02:02:01.914 --> 02:02:04.283
EVERY DAY. I MEAN, OF, OF EVERY

02:02:04.350 --> 02:02:06.118
YEAR, RATHER MORE THAN, YOU

02:02:06.185 --> 02:02:08.721
KNOW, UPWARDS OF 200 DAYS A

02:02:08.788 --> 02:02:10.956
YEAR. THE SMOG ALERT WE HAD WAS

02:02:11.023 --> 02:02:13.726
IN 2003. THAT'S PRETTY

02:02:13.793 --> 02:02:15.428
REMARKABLE. SO I JUST THINK

02:02:15.494 --> 02:02:16.429
IT'S IMPORTANT TO CELEBRATE

02:02:16.495 --> 02:02:19.131
THAT. THIRD, I WANTED TO

02:02:19.198 --> 02:02:20.266
REITERATE SOMETHING THAT

02:02:20.332 --> 02:02:22.068
SENATOR STERN SAID, AND THAT IS

02:02:22.134 --> 02:02:23.402
THAT WE'RE NOT GOING BACK. AND

02:02:23.469 --> 02:02:24.637
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT

02:02:24.704 --> 02:02:27.006
TO STRESS. WE MAY HAVE BEEN

02:02:27.073 --> 02:02:28.841
SLOWED DOWN, BUT WE ARE GOING

02:02:28.908 --> 02:02:31.010
TO ELECTRIFY THE VEHICLE FLEET,

02:02:31.077 --> 02:02:32.812
AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO

02:02:32.878 --> 02:02:34.447
100% CLEAN ENERGY, REGARDLESS

02:02:34.513 --> 02:02:36.048
OF WHAT HAPPENS AT THE FEDERAL

02:02:36.115 --> 02:02:37.883
LEVEL. I THINK THERE ARE THERE

02:02:37.950 --> 02:02:38.884
ARE HEADWINDS, BUT THE

02:02:38.951 --> 02:02:40.219
HEADWINDS ARE ONLY SLOWING US.

02:02:40.286 --> 02:02:41.320
THEY'RE NOT STOPPING US. AND I

02:02:41.387 --> 02:02:44.023
THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. FOURTH,

02:02:44.090 --> 02:02:45.758
I WANT TO JUST STRESS THAT I

02:02:45.825 --> 02:02:47.927
AGREE THAT INVEST THAT

02:02:47.993 --> 02:02:49.662
INCENTIVES COMBINED WITH

02:02:49.729 --> 02:02:50.830
REGULATION ARE THE BEST WAY TO

02:02:50.896 --> 02:02:52.098
GO. I THINK CALIFORNIA'S BEEN

02:02:52.164 --> 02:02:54.033
REALLY ADMIRABLE IN NOT JUST

02:02:54.100 --> 02:02:55.868
REGULATING BUT ALSO

02:02:55.935 --> 02:02:57.603
INCENTIVIZING. WE SEE PROGRESS

02:02:57.670 --> 02:02:58.771
BECAUSE OF THAT. WE'VE HEARD A

02:02:58.838 --> 02:03:00.372
LOT ABOUT THOSE PROGRAMS. AND I

02:03:00.439 --> 02:03:01.974
JUST WANT TO STRESS HOW

02:03:02.041 --> 02:03:04.143
IMPORTANT I THINK THAT IS. AND

02:03:04.210 --> 02:03:06.679
THEN FOURTH, I WANTED TO JUST

02:03:06.746 --> 02:03:08.814
TELL A LITTLE STORY ABOUT TIRE

02:03:08.881 --> 02:03:10.649
EFFICIENCY BECAUSE IT INVOLVES

02:03:10.716 --> 02:03:11.350
CALIFORNIA. OF COURSE,

02:03:11.417 --> 02:03:12.384
CALIFORNIA HAS THESE NEW TIRE

02:03:12.451 --> 02:03:14.253
EFFICIENT REGULATORY EFFICIENCY

02:03:14.320 --> 02:03:15.321
REGULATIONS. WHEN I WAS AT

02:03:15.387 --> 02:03:17.256
NHTSA, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME

02:03:17.323 --> 02:03:18.557
ON TIRES AND WE DID NOTHING

02:03:18.624 --> 02:03:20.659
ABOUT THEM. AND THAT'S IN PART

02:03:20.726 --> 02:03:22.094
BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY STRINGENT

02:03:22.161 --> 02:03:23.229
RESEARCH REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE

02:03:23.295 --> 02:03:26.031
TO UNDERGIRD NHTSA'S ABILITY TO

02:03:26.098 --> 02:03:27.633
REGULATE. AND THE MANTRA OVER

02:03:27.700 --> 02:03:30.736
AND OVER AGAIN IS GO CALIFORNIA

02:03:30.803 --> 02:03:32.938
AND CALIFORNIA. ONCE CALIFORNIA

02:03:33.005 --> 02:03:34.039
MOVES, THAT MAKES IT A LOT

02:03:34.106 --> 02:03:35.941
EASIER FOR THE REST OF THE

02:03:36.008 --> 02:03:37.076
COUNTRY. AND IT'S NOT JUST AN

02:03:37.143 --> 02:03:38.110
EMISSION STANDARD. SO I JUST

02:03:38.177 --> 02:03:40.513
WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME KUDOS TO

02:03:40.579 --> 02:03:41.914
THE ENERGY COMMISSION THAT WAS

02:03:41.981 --> 02:03:42.982
REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. AND

02:03:43.048 --> 02:03:44.750
IT'S A REALLY REMARKABLY

02:03:44.817 --> 02:03:47.686
IMPORTANT PART OF THE

02:03:47.753 --> 02:03:48.754
TRANSITION TO CUTTING

02:03:48.821 --> 02:03:50.890
GREENHOUSE GASES AND AIR

02:03:50.956 --> 02:03:52.825
POLLUTANTS. OKAY, SO I HAVE

02:03:52.892 --> 02:03:54.627
FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M GOING

02:03:54.693 --> 02:03:56.028
TO TRY TO BE QUICK BECAUSE, AND

02:03:56.095 --> 02:03:57.930
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ALL THAT I

02:03:57.997 --> 02:03:59.865
HAVE, I'M JUST GOING TO TRY TO

02:03:59.932 --> 02:04:01.801
FOCUS ON FOUR THAT I THINK ARE

02:04:01.867 --> 02:04:02.868
REALLY IMPORTANT. THE FIRST IS

02:04:02.935 --> 02:04:04.870
I WANT TO ADD MY VOICE TO THE

02:04:04.937 --> 02:04:05.871
CHORUS ABOUT CONTINUING TO

02:04:05.938 --> 02:04:06.906
INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE, AND I

02:04:06.972 --> 02:04:08.874
WANT TO DO SO WITH MY OWN

02:04:08.941 --> 02:04:12.144
ANECDOTES. SO ONE IS THAT I

02:04:12.211 --> 02:04:13.813
LIVED IN AN APARTMENT FOR THE

02:04:13.879 --> 02:04:15.047
LAST YEAR WHILE WE WERE

02:04:15.114 --> 02:04:17.216
BUILDING AN ADU. MORE KUDOS TO

02:04:17.283 --> 02:04:18.284
CALIFORNIA FOR ENCOURAGING THE

02:04:18.350 --> 02:04:22.188
BUILDING OF ADUS, AND I HAD TO

02:04:22.254 --> 02:04:24.056
USE HIGH SPEED CHARGERS IN THE

02:04:24.123 --> 02:04:26.192
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I COULD NEVER

02:04:26.258 --> 02:04:27.459
GET INTO ONE WITHOUT WAITING

02:04:27.526 --> 02:04:29.762
FOR AN HOUR. AND I FOUND THAT

02:04:29.829 --> 02:04:31.096
FRUSTRATING. BUT MY HUSBAND HAD

02:04:31.163 --> 02:04:32.731
A CONVERSATION WITH AN UBER

02:04:32.798 --> 02:04:33.799
DRIVER WHO HAD USED THE

02:04:33.866 --> 02:04:35.601
INCENTIVES TO TRANSITION TO AN

02:04:35.668 --> 02:04:38.204
ELECTRIC VEHICLE, AND HE SAID

02:04:38.270 --> 02:04:39.905
HE WISHES HE HAD NEVER DONE SO.

02:04:39.972 --> 02:04:41.307
AND THAT'S BECAUSE EVERY

02:04:41.373 --> 02:04:42.808
MORNING HE WOULD GET UP AT FOUR

02:04:42.875 --> 02:04:43.943
IN THE MORNING TO GO CHARGE,

02:04:44.009 --> 02:04:45.044
BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE LINES

02:04:45.110 --> 02:04:46.812
WERE TOO LONG FOR THE HIGH

02:04:46.879 --> 02:04:48.147
SPEED CHARGERS. I KNOW YOU'RE

02:04:48.214 --> 02:04:49.715
AWARE OF THIS, BUT I JUST

02:04:49.782 --> 02:04:51.050
THOUGHT IT WAS AN INCREDIBLY

02:04:51.116 --> 02:04:52.151
POIGNANT STORY OF THE WAY IN

02:04:52.218 --> 02:04:53.786
WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE

02:04:53.853 --> 02:04:55.354
THE TRANSITION TO EVS, BUT WE

02:04:55.421 --> 02:04:57.022
REALLY DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT

02:04:57.089 --> 02:04:58.023
THE INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF

02:04:58.090 --> 02:05:00.025
PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING LONG

02:05:00.092 --> 02:05:02.228
DISTANCES AND NEED TO AND NEED

02:05:02.294 --> 02:05:03.662
TO CHARGE AND DON'T LIVE IN

02:05:03.729 --> 02:05:05.130
HOMES WHERE THEY CAN CHARGE

02:05:05.197 --> 02:05:06.866
WITH LEVEL TWO OR EVEN LEVEL

02:05:06.932 --> 02:05:09.702
ONE. SO I'M SUPER HAPPY THAT

02:05:09.768 --> 02:05:11.136
CALIFORNIA IS INVESTING SO MUCH.

02:05:11.203 --> 02:05:12.605
I JUST THINK THAT'S A REALLY

02:05:12.671 --> 02:05:15.140
IMPORTANT PLACE TO EMPHASIZE. I

02:05:15.207 --> 02:05:18.844
ALSO WANT TO COMMEND CARB AND

02:05:18.911 --> 02:05:20.179
THE LEGISLATURE, AT LEAST FOR

02:05:20.246 --> 02:05:23.115
CONSIDERING THE EXPANSION OF

02:05:23.182 --> 02:05:24.783
INDIRECT SOURCE RULES STATEWIDE.

02:05:24.850 --> 02:05:26.352
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY

02:05:26.418 --> 02:05:28.454
IMPORTANT WAY TO DO TWO

02:05:28.520 --> 02:05:29.822
SEPARATE THINGS THAT I THINK

02:05:29.889 --> 02:05:32.191
ARE IMPORTANT. ONE IS TO SPEED

02:05:32.258 --> 02:05:34.126
THE TRANSITION TO PARTICULARLY

02:05:34.193 --> 02:05:35.995
HEAVY DUTY ELECTRIFICATION OR

02:05:36.061 --> 02:05:37.029
ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES, BUT

02:05:37.096 --> 02:05:41.066
ALSO TO TACKLE HOT SPOTS THAT

02:05:41.133 --> 02:05:41.800
DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECT LOW

02:05:41.867 --> 02:05:43.903
INCOME COMMUNITIES WHO LIVE

02:05:43.969 --> 02:05:46.171
NEAR WAREHOUSES, LIVE NEAR

02:05:46.238 --> 02:05:47.907
FREIGHT YARDS, LIVE NEAR THE

02:05:47.973 --> 02:05:49.341
PORTS. SENATOR STERN, WHEN YOU

02:05:49.408 --> 02:05:51.210
TALKED ABOUT DRIVING IN THE

02:05:51.277 --> 02:05:52.945
CIRCLE AND BREATHING IN THE

02:05:53.012 --> 02:05:54.747
DIESEL, THAT'S THE EVERYDAY

02:05:54.813 --> 02:05:55.814
EXISTENCE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE

02:05:55.881 --> 02:05:58.350
EXPOSED TO THOSE SOURCES. AND,

02:05:58.417 --> 02:05:59.785
YOU KNOW, IDEALLY, WE WOULD

02:05:59.852 --> 02:06:03.355
TRANSITION FAST TO HEAVY DUTY

02:06:03.422 --> 02:06:04.356
ELECTRIFICATION WITH ALL THE

02:06:04.423 --> 02:06:05.391
INCENTIVES AND ALL THE

02:06:05.457 --> 02:06:06.625
REGULATIONS WE COULD. WE ARE

02:06:06.692 --> 02:06:08.460
STYMIED RIGHT NOW IN HOW

02:06:08.527 --> 02:06:10.229
STRONGLY CALIFORNIA CAN

02:06:10.296 --> 02:06:11.697
REGULATE. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL

02:06:11.764 --> 02:06:13.532
RETURN. BUT IN THE MEANTIME,

02:06:13.599 --> 02:06:16.335
ISR IS A VERY CREATIVE USE OF

02:06:16.402 --> 02:06:18.137
POLICY, AND I THINK ANYTHING

02:06:18.203 --> 02:06:21.073
CARB CAN DO TO HELP LOCAL

02:06:21.140 --> 02:06:22.474
DISTRICTS MOVE IN THAT

02:06:22.541 --> 02:06:25.878
DIRECTION, I COMMEND. THIRD,

02:06:25.945 --> 02:06:27.513
AND THIS ONE IS A LITTLE

02:06:27.579 --> 02:06:28.614
COMPLICATED AND PROBABLY A

02:06:28.681 --> 02:06:31.850
LITTLE CONTROVERSIAL. SO AS YOU

02:06:31.917 --> 02:06:33.285
ALL KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENTAL

02:06:33.352 --> 02:06:34.553
PROTECTION AGENCY HAS WITHDRAWN

02:06:34.620 --> 02:06:36.722
THE GREENHOUSE GAS REGULATION

02:06:36.789 --> 02:06:38.624
OF PASSENGER AUTOMOBILES. AND

02:06:38.691 --> 02:06:40.326
IN DOING SO, IT HAS WITHDRAWN

02:06:40.392 --> 02:06:42.261
THE ENDANGERMENT FINDING THAT

02:06:42.328 --> 02:06:44.296
UNDERGIRDS FEDERAL REGULATION

02:06:44.363 --> 02:06:45.931
OF GREENHOUSE GASES UNDER THE

02:06:45.998 --> 02:06:47.633
CLEAN AIR ACT. I THINK THAT'S A

02:06:47.700 --> 02:06:49.368
TERRIBLE IDEA. I THINK IT'S

02:06:49.435 --> 02:06:50.336
LEGALLY DUBIOUS, ALTHOUGH THE

02:06:50.402 --> 02:06:53.072
SUPREME COURT COULD UPHOLD THAT.

02:06:53.138 --> 02:06:55.341
THAT DECISION STATES, AS YOU

02:06:55.407 --> 02:06:57.009
KNOW, EXCEPT FOR CALIFORNIA,

02:06:57.076 --> 02:06:58.811
PREEMPTED FROM REGULATING AIR

02:06:58.877 --> 02:07:01.714
POLLUTANTS UNDER THE ACT. AND

02:07:01.780 --> 02:07:03.115
CALIFORNIA CAN DO SO ONLY IF IT

02:07:03.182 --> 02:07:04.616
GETS A WAIVER. IF THE FEDERAL

02:07:04.683 --> 02:07:06.051
GOVERNMENT WITHDRAWS FROM THE

02:07:06.118 --> 02:07:07.820
REGULATION OF GREENHOUSE GASES,

02:07:07.886 --> 02:07:09.088
I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY DECENT

02:07:09.154 --> 02:07:10.689
LEGAL ARGUMENT THAT STATES CAN

02:07:10.756 --> 02:07:11.857
JUST GO AHEAD AND REGULATE

02:07:11.924 --> 02:07:13.258
GREENHOUSE GASES WITHOUT A

02:07:13.325 --> 02:07:15.060
WAIVER, AND PARTICULARLY IF

02:07:15.127 --> 02:07:16.462
WE'RE TALKING LONG RUN AND IF

02:07:16.528 --> 02:07:18.664
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW,

02:07:18.731 --> 02:07:21.900
GOD FORBID, A BAD OUTCOME IN

02:07:21.967 --> 02:07:23.135
2029, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING

02:07:23.202 --> 02:07:24.069
THE STATE OUGHT TO BE

02:07:24.136 --> 02:07:25.471
CONSIDERING. I GET THAT IT'S

02:07:25.537 --> 02:07:27.006
LEGALLY CONTROVERSIAL. I THINK

02:07:27.072 --> 02:07:28.674
WE OUGHT TO BE PUSHING THE

02:07:28.741 --> 02:07:29.808
ENVELOPE THERE. AND THE FOURTH

02:07:29.875 --> 02:07:32.644
THING I'LL SAY IS GOING IN A

02:07:32.711 --> 02:07:34.146
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I

02:07:34.213 --> 02:07:36.281
WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, AGAIN THE

02:07:36.348 --> 02:07:38.017
WAYS IN WHICH THE SOUTH COAST

02:07:38.083 --> 02:07:39.151
AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT

02:07:39.218 --> 02:07:41.320
AND THE CENTRAL VALLEY ARE OUT

02:07:41.387 --> 02:07:43.122
OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE OZONE

02:07:43.188 --> 02:07:44.023
STANDARD, OUT OF COMPLIANCE

02:07:44.089 --> 02:07:46.325
WITH THE PM 2.5 STANDARD, AND

02:07:46.392 --> 02:07:47.826
LITERALLY CANNOT COME INTO

02:07:47.893 --> 02:07:51.030
COMPLIANCE EVEN WITH THE 2008

02:07:51.096 --> 02:07:52.798
OZONE STANDARD, LET ALONE THE

02:07:52.865 --> 02:07:56.101
2015 STANDARD. WITHOUT ZEROING

02:07:56.168 --> 02:07:58.270
OUT EMISSIONS IN TRANSPORTATION.

02:07:58.337 --> 02:07:59.738
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK

02:07:59.805 --> 02:08:01.607
THAT THAT CARB SHOULD REALLY BE

02:08:01.673 --> 02:08:02.975
THINKING ABOUT AS WE MOVE

02:08:03.042 --> 02:08:04.343
FORWARD, IF WE'RE GOING TO

02:08:04.410 --> 02:08:05.811
RETURN TO THE DAYS OF

02:08:05.878 --> 02:08:06.879
REGULATING UNDER THE CLEAN AIR

02:08:06.945 --> 02:08:08.347
ACT, IS TO REALLY FOCUS OUR

02:08:08.414 --> 02:08:10.082
EFFORTS ON CONVENTIONAL AIR

02:08:10.149 --> 02:08:11.350
POLLUTANTS. AND THE REASON I

02:08:11.417 --> 02:08:13.685
SAY THAT IS BECAUSE YOU ALSO

02:08:13.752 --> 02:08:15.521
GET THE KHÓ BENEFIT OF REDUCING

02:08:15.587 --> 02:08:17.389
GREENHOUSE GASES WITHOUT ALL

02:08:17.456 --> 02:08:20.526
THE LEGAL UNCERTAINTY. SO YOU

02:08:20.592 --> 02:08:22.294
COULD GO TO ZERO EMISSION

02:08:22.361 --> 02:08:24.897
VEHICLES ENTIRELY BASED ON

02:08:24.963 --> 02:08:26.298
REGULATING FOR AIR POLLUTION.

02:08:26.365 --> 02:08:27.966
WE NEED IT IN THE SOUTH COAST.

02:08:28.033 --> 02:08:29.201
WE NEED IT IN THE CENTRAL

02:08:29.268 --> 02:08:30.636
VALLEY. PROBABLY GOING TO NEED

02:08:30.702 --> 02:08:32.271
IT IN OTHER AIR DISTRICTS.

02:08:32.337 --> 02:08:33.338
GIVEN THE TIGHTENING OF THE

02:08:33.405 --> 02:08:36.041
OZONE STANDARD IN 2015, YOU

02:08:36.108 --> 02:08:37.509
DON'T NEED TO EVEN TALK ABOUT

02:08:37.576 --> 02:08:38.210
GREENHOUSE GASES AND YOU COULD

02:08:38.277 --> 02:08:40.012
STILL GET THERE. I'LL STOP

02:08:40.079 --> 02:08:42.548
THERE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU,

02:08:42.614 --> 02:08:44.116
THANK YOU. AND I ALWAYS I GREW

02:08:44.183 --> 02:08:45.751
UP IN THE VALLEY AND ALWAYS

02:08:45.818 --> 02:08:47.519
TELL THE STORY ABOUT THE YELLOW

02:08:47.586 --> 02:08:50.456
AIR. WE HAD TO GO INSIDE. YOU

02:08:50.522 --> 02:08:52.024
KNOW, WHEN WE WERE AT SCHOOL WE

02:08:52.091 --> 02:08:54.026
HAD TO MOVE INSIDE QUITE

02:08:54.093 --> 02:08:55.160
DIFFERENT. OUR LUNGS BURNED.

02:08:55.227 --> 02:08:56.562
YES. OR WE IGNORED IT. RIGHT?

02:08:56.628 --> 02:09:01.967
YES. THANK YOU. TRICIA. YEAH.

02:09:02.034 --> 02:09:03.802
GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M SORRY.

02:09:03.869 --> 02:09:05.571
TRICIA IS THE HEAD OF POLICY

02:09:05.637 --> 02:09:07.339
FOR CATALYST MOBILITY. I

02:09:07.406 --> 02:09:09.241
APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. GOOD

02:09:09.308 --> 02:09:10.976
MORNING EVERYONE. CHAIR IRWIN,

02:09:11.043 --> 02:09:13.879
CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, STERN AND

02:09:13.946 --> 02:09:15.080
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THANK

02:09:15.147 --> 02:09:17.082
YOU FOR INVITING ME TO BE HERE

02:09:17.149 --> 02:09:20.285
TODAY WITH YOU ALL AS CHAIR,

02:09:20.352 --> 02:09:22.087
IRWIN SAID. I'M TRICIA IACONO.

02:09:22.154 --> 02:09:23.922
I LEAD OUR POLICY TEAM AT

02:09:23.989 --> 02:09:26.058
CATALYST MOBILITY, FORMERLY CAL

02:09:26.125 --> 02:09:27.526
START. WE ARE A NATIONAL

02:09:27.593 --> 02:09:29.328
NONPROFIT WORKING WITH VEHICLE

02:09:29.394 --> 02:09:31.163
MANUFACTURERS, FLEETS, CHARGING

02:09:31.230 --> 02:09:32.564
PROVIDERS, UTILITIES AND OTHER

02:09:32.631 --> 02:09:34.533
INDUSTRY PARTNERS TO ACCELERATE

02:09:34.600 --> 02:09:36.535
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION. WE

02:09:36.602 --> 02:09:38.704
RECENTLY MERGED WITH FOURTH

02:09:38.770 --> 02:09:40.539
MOBILITY TO EXPAND OUR REACH

02:09:40.606 --> 02:09:41.940
AND OUR ABILITY TO CONNECT

02:09:42.007 --> 02:09:43.375
POLICY WITH REAL WORLD

02:09:43.442 --> 02:09:44.443
DEPLOYMENT, ESPECIALLY AS IT

02:09:44.510 --> 02:09:45.878
RELATES TO THE LIGHT DUTY

02:09:45.944 --> 02:09:48.013
SECTOR. CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN A

02:09:48.080 --> 02:09:49.114
NATIONAL LEADER IN ADVANCING

02:09:49.181 --> 02:09:50.616
ZERO EMISSION TRANSPORTATION. I

02:09:50.682 --> 02:09:52.451
THINK THAT'S NO QUESTION, AND

02:09:52.518 --> 02:09:54.186
THAT LEADERSHIP MATTERS NOW

02:09:54.253 --> 02:09:55.521
MORE THAN EVER. AS WE'VE HEARD

02:09:55.587 --> 02:09:57.756
WITH THE RECENT FEDERAL OR THE

02:09:57.823 --> 02:09:59.892
ONGOING FEDERAL SLOTS, THE

02:09:59.958 --> 02:10:01.760
FEDERAL LANDSCAPE HAS SHIFTED

02:10:01.827 --> 02:10:02.828
DRAMATICALLY. WE'VE LOST

02:10:02.895 --> 02:10:04.563
IMPORTANT FEDERAL INCENTIVES.

02:10:04.630 --> 02:10:06.064
CALIFORNIA'S VEHICLE REGULATORY

02:10:06.131 --> 02:10:07.833
AUTHORITY FACES SIGNIFICANT

02:10:07.900 --> 02:10:09.301
CHALLENGES, AND UNCERTAINTY

02:10:09.368 --> 02:10:10.702
AROUND FEDERAL FUNDING AND

02:10:10.769 --> 02:10:11.770
REGULATIONS, MAKES LONG TERM

02:10:11.837 --> 02:10:14.406
PLANNING INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT.

02:10:14.473 --> 02:10:15.741
BUT CALIFORNIA STILL HAS

02:10:15.807 --> 02:10:17.409
MEANINGFUL TOOLS AVAILABLE TO

02:10:17.476 --> 02:10:19.044
KEEP THE MARKET MOVING FORWARD.

02:10:19.111 --> 02:10:20.779
THE QUESTION ISN'T SIMPLY HOW

02:10:20.846 --> 02:10:22.247
CALIFORNIA REPLACES WHAT WE'VE

02:10:22.314 --> 02:10:24.049
LOST FEDERALLY, IT'S HOW WE USE

02:10:24.116 --> 02:10:26.185
THE AUTHORITY, RESOURCES, AND

02:10:26.251 --> 02:10:27.352
PARTNERSHIPS WE ALREADY HAVE TO

02:10:27.419 --> 02:10:29.087
MAKE ELECTRIC VEHICLES MORE

02:10:29.154 --> 02:10:30.589
AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE,

02:10:30.656 --> 02:10:31.957
WHILE CONTINUING TO DELIVER THE

02:10:32.024 --> 02:10:33.825
EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS AND AIR

02:10:33.892 --> 02:10:35.194
QUALITY BENEFITS. CALIFORNIANS

02:10:35.260 --> 02:10:36.995
NEED A CATALYST. MOBILITY.

02:10:37.062 --> 02:10:38.096
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR

02:10:38.163 --> 02:10:40.566
MEMBERS ON PRACTICAL POLICY

02:10:40.632 --> 02:10:41.700
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEXT

02:10:41.767 --> 02:10:42.768
LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND THE

02:10:42.834 --> 02:10:44.269
INCOMING ADMINISTRATION, AND

02:10:44.336 --> 02:10:46.004
I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THREE OF

02:10:46.071 --> 02:10:49.007
THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. MANY OF

02:10:49.074 --> 02:10:51.076
THEM ARE NOT NEW. IT'S CARRYING

02:10:51.143 --> 02:10:52.744
A THEME OVER. FIRST, WE NEED TO

02:10:52.811 --> 02:10:53.912
MAKE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE

02:10:53.979 --> 02:10:54.980
EASIER, FASTER, AND MORE

02:10:55.047 --> 02:10:56.815
AFFORDABLE TO DEPLOY.

02:10:56.882 --> 02:10:57.883
CALIFORNIA HAS MADE IMPORTANT

02:10:57.950 --> 02:10:59.685
PROGRESS IN EXPANDING CHARGING

02:10:59.751 --> 02:11:01.086
INFRASTRUCTURE AND ADDRESSING

02:11:01.153 --> 02:11:03.322
DEPLOYMENT BARRIERS, INCLUDING.

02:11:03.388 --> 02:11:05.457
ASSEMBLY MEMBER CHÁVEZ AB 1820

02:11:05.524 --> 02:11:07.993
TO REDUCE PERMITTING COSTS FOR

02:11:08.060 --> 02:11:09.761
MULTIFAMILY CHARGING AND SB

02:11:09.828 --> 02:11:11.196
1283 TO STREAMLINE THE

02:11:11.263 --> 02:11:12.631
PERMITTING OF CHARGING

02:11:12.698 --> 02:11:14.833
INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT GETTING A

02:11:14.900 --> 02:11:15.968
CHARGING CHARGER PERMITTED IS

02:11:16.034 --> 02:11:18.437
ONLY PART OF THE CHALLENGE. IT

02:11:18.503 --> 02:11:19.504
ALSO NEEDS TO BE CONNECTED TO

02:11:19.571 --> 02:11:21.039
THE GRID IN A TIMELY,

02:11:21.106 --> 02:11:22.708
PREDICTABLE AND AFFORDABLE WAY.

02:11:22.774 --> 02:11:24.476
UTILITY ENERGIZATION DELAYS CAN

02:11:24.543 --> 02:11:26.345
INCREASE COSTS, SLOW PROJECTS

02:11:26.411 --> 02:11:27.512
AND ULTIMATELY MAKE IT HARDER

02:11:27.579 --> 02:11:29.548
FOR CONSUMERS AND BUSINESSES TO

02:11:29.615 --> 02:11:32.117
TRANSITION TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

02:11:32.184 --> 02:11:33.885
WE'VE MADE IMPORTANT PROGRESS

02:11:33.952 --> 02:11:34.920
ESTABLISHING UTILITY

02:11:34.987 --> 02:11:36.388
ENERGIZATION TIMELINES AND

02:11:36.455 --> 02:11:37.322
ACCOUNTABILITY REQUIREMENTS

02:11:37.389 --> 02:11:39.691
THROUGH LEGISLATION LIKE SB 410

02:11:39.758 --> 02:11:41.526
AND AB 50, BUT WE NEED TO

02:11:41.593 --> 02:11:42.861
ENSURE THESE REQUIREMENTS

02:11:42.928 --> 02:11:44.263
TRANSLATE INTO FASTER, MORE

02:11:44.329 --> 02:11:46.832
PREDICTABLE GRID CONNECTIONS,

02:11:46.898 --> 02:11:48.267
PARTICULARLY FOR MULTIFAMILY

02:11:48.333 --> 02:11:49.701
HOUSING AND PUBLIC CHARGING

02:11:49.768 --> 02:11:51.603
INFRASTRUCTURE. ONE IDEA THAT

02:11:51.670 --> 02:11:53.171
WE'VE BEEN PLAYING AROUND WITH

02:11:53.238 --> 02:11:54.773
AT CATALYST MOBILITY IS THIS

02:11:54.840 --> 02:11:56.541
COORDINATED EFFORT AMONG STATE

02:11:56.608 --> 02:11:58.377
AGENCIES, UTILITIES AND

02:11:58.443 --> 02:11:59.411
INDUSTRY TO IDENTIFY WHERE

02:11:59.478 --> 02:12:00.512
CHARGING PROJECTS ARE

02:12:00.579 --> 02:12:02.714
EXPERIENCING DELAYS, IMPROVING

02:12:02.781 --> 02:12:03.782
TRANSPORTATION TRANSPARENCY

02:12:03.849 --> 02:12:05.584
AROUND ENERGIZATION TIMELINES,

02:12:05.651 --> 02:12:07.019
AND RECOMMEND PRACTICAL

02:12:07.085 --> 02:12:08.120
ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES TO

02:12:08.186 --> 02:12:09.588
ACCELERATE DEPLOYMENT.

02:12:09.655 --> 02:12:11.323
SOMETHING LIKE A INFRASTRUCTURE

02:12:11.390 --> 02:12:12.791
STRIKE FORCE IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN

02:12:12.858 --> 02:12:14.192
CALLING IT. THIS COULD HELP

02:12:14.259 --> 02:12:15.627
ENSURE THAT RECENT LEGISLATIVE

02:12:15.694 --> 02:12:17.429
REFORMS ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED

02:12:17.496 --> 02:12:18.897
EFFECTIVELY, PARTICULARLY FOR

02:12:18.964 --> 02:12:20.299
MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, WHERE

02:12:20.365 --> 02:12:21.767
CHARGING ACCESS REMAINS A

02:12:21.833 --> 02:12:23.535
SIGNIFICANT BARRIER. AND BEYOND

02:12:23.602 --> 02:12:25.003
GETTING CHARGERS INSTALLED, WE

02:12:25.070 --> 02:12:26.805
NEED TO ENSURE THEY ARE

02:12:26.872 --> 02:12:28.640
RELIABLE, ACCESSIBLE AND

02:12:28.707 --> 02:12:30.075
AFFORDABLE TO USE A CHARGER

02:12:30.142 --> 02:12:31.510
THAT DOESN'T WORK OR THAT COSTS

02:12:31.576 --> 02:12:33.111
TOO MUCH TO USE DOESN'T HELP

02:12:33.178 --> 02:12:34.746
BUILD CONSUMER CONFIDENCE, AS

02:12:34.813 --> 02:12:37.015
HAS BEEN THE THEME. SO SECOND,

02:12:37.082 --> 02:12:39.451
WE NEED TO MAKE LIMITED PUBLIC

02:12:39.518 --> 02:12:41.586
RESOURCES WORK HARDER.

02:12:41.653 --> 02:12:42.988
INCENTIVES REMAIN AN IMPORTANT

02:12:43.055 --> 02:12:45.557
TOOL TOOL AS AN JUST SHARED,

02:12:45.624 --> 02:12:46.625
ESPECIALLY FOR CONSUMERS WHO

02:12:46.692 --> 02:12:48.060
FACE THE GREATEST FINANCIAL

02:12:48.126 --> 02:12:50.162
BARRIERS TO EV OWNERSHIP,

02:12:50.228 --> 02:12:51.229
CALIFORNIA IS. MY FIRST EV

02:12:51.296 --> 02:12:52.798
PROGRAM IS AN ENCOURAGING

02:12:52.864 --> 02:12:53.799
EXAMPLE OF HOW THE STATE AND

02:12:53.865 --> 02:12:55.867
STRUCTURE INCENTIVES TO BE MORE

02:12:55.934 --> 02:12:57.436
IMMEDIATE AND ACCESSIBLE, WHILE

02:12:57.502 --> 02:12:59.171
LEVERAGING MANUFACTURER

02:12:59.237 --> 02:13:00.972
CONTRIBUTIONS TO STRETCH PUBLIC

02:13:01.039 --> 02:13:02.441
DOLLARS, AS CHRIS SHARED

02:13:02.507 --> 02:13:03.842
EARLIER. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT

02:13:03.909 --> 02:13:04.976
CALIFORNIA CAN'T FULLY REPLACE

02:13:05.043 --> 02:13:06.111
THE FEDERAL INCENTIVES THAT

02:13:06.178 --> 02:13:07.813
WE'VE LOST. SO THAT MEANS

02:13:07.879 --> 02:13:08.980
LOOKING AT OTHER WAYS TO REDUCE

02:13:09.047 --> 02:13:10.315
COSTS AND SUPPORT MARKET DEMAND

02:13:10.382 --> 02:13:12.084
WITHOUT RELYING EXCLUSIVELY ON

02:13:12.150 --> 02:13:14.686
NEW APPROPRIATIONS. ONE EXAMPLE

02:13:14.753 --> 02:13:16.455
IS USING THE STATE'S EXISTING

02:13:16.521 --> 02:13:18.290
PURCHASING POWER. CALIFORNIA

02:13:18.357 --> 02:13:19.725
ALREADY HAS STATEWIDE

02:13:19.791 --> 02:13:20.492
PROCUREMENT CONTRACTS FOR

02:13:20.559 --> 02:13:22.227
CERTAIN ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES

02:13:22.294 --> 02:13:24.029
AND CHARGING EQUIPMENT,

02:13:24.096 --> 02:13:25.130
EXPANDING THOSE PRODUCTS AND

02:13:25.197 --> 02:13:25.964
SERVICES AVAILABLE THROUGH

02:13:26.031 --> 02:13:27.265
THOSE CONTRACTS, IMPROVING

02:13:27.332 --> 02:13:28.567
ACCESS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS

02:13:28.633 --> 02:13:30.535
AND SMALLER PURCHASES, AND

02:13:30.602 --> 02:13:31.603
IDENTIFYING REMAINING

02:13:31.670 --> 02:13:32.704
PROCUREMENT BARRIERS COULD HELP

02:13:32.771 --> 02:13:34.506
MORE COMMUNITIES ACCESS CLEAN

02:13:34.573 --> 02:13:35.574
VEHICLES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AT

02:13:35.640 --> 02:13:37.008
LOWER COSTS. I KNOW ONE OF THE

02:13:37.075 --> 02:13:38.643
THINGS THAT MANY OF THE

02:13:38.710 --> 02:13:39.644
COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE TALKING

02:13:39.711 --> 02:13:40.979
ABOUT IS THIS KIND OF CROSS

02:13:41.046 --> 02:13:42.714
STATE PROCUREMENT, AND HOW DO

02:13:42.781 --> 02:13:44.216
WE WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORING

02:13:44.282 --> 02:13:45.984
STATES TO TO MAKE PROCUREMENT

02:13:46.051 --> 02:13:47.452
AGREEMENT? THESE MAY NOT BE THE

02:13:47.519 --> 02:13:49.221
MOST VISIBLE POLICY CHANGES,

02:13:49.287 --> 02:13:50.389
OBVIOUSLY, BUT THEY CAN MAKE A

02:13:50.455 --> 02:13:51.390
MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE IN HOW

02:13:51.456 --> 02:13:53.024
QUICKLY AND AFFORDABLY VEHICLES

02:13:53.091 --> 02:13:55.360
AND CHARGERS ARE DEPLOYED. AND

02:13:55.427 --> 02:13:56.428
THEN THE THIRD THING,

02:13:56.495 --> 02:13:57.262
CALIFORNIA SHOULD LOOK BEYOND

02:13:57.329 --> 02:13:59.297
ITS BORDERS TO SUSTAIN MARKET

02:13:59.364 --> 02:14:00.732
MOMENTUM. CALIFORNIA DOESN'T

02:14:00.799 --> 02:14:02.167
HAVE TO NAVIGATE THESE FEDERAL

02:14:02.234 --> 02:14:04.302
CHALLENGES ALONE. THROUGH

02:14:04.369 --> 02:14:05.470
EXISTING PARTNERSHIPS WITH

02:14:05.537 --> 02:14:06.505
OREGON, WASHINGTON AND THE

02:14:06.571 --> 02:14:08.340
BRITISH COLUMBIA, INCLUDING THE

02:14:08.407 --> 02:14:09.708
PACIFIC COAST COLLABORATIVE, WE

02:14:09.775 --> 02:14:10.842
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

02:14:10.909 --> 02:14:11.910
STRENGTHEN REGIONAL

02:14:11.977 --> 02:14:13.378
COORDINATION ON CLEAN

02:14:13.445 --> 02:14:14.446
TRANSPORTATION THAT CAN INCLUDE

02:14:14.513 --> 02:14:15.847
SHARED APPROACHES TO CHARGING

02:14:15.914 --> 02:14:17.349
INFRASTRUCTURE DEPLOYMENT,

02:14:17.416 --> 02:14:18.784
UTILITY ENERGIZATION GRID

02:14:18.850 --> 02:14:20.552
READINESS, HARMONIZED TECHNICAL

02:14:20.619 --> 02:14:21.520
STANDARDS AND STRATEGIES TO

02:14:21.586 --> 02:14:23.054
MAKE LIMITED INCENTIVE DOLLARS

02:14:23.121 --> 02:14:25.957
GO FURTHER. WE PARTICULARLY

02:14:26.024 --> 02:14:27.058
INTERESTED IN MOVING BEYOND

02:14:27.125 --> 02:14:28.460
GENERAL COMMITMENTS TO

02:14:28.527 --> 02:14:29.561
COLLABORATION AND IDENTIFYING

02:14:29.628 --> 02:14:30.796
CONCRETE ACTIONS THAT STATES

02:14:30.862 --> 02:14:32.798
CAN TAKE TOGETHER WITH CLEAR

02:14:32.864 --> 02:14:33.865
IMPLEMENTATION PRIORITIES AND

02:14:33.932 --> 02:14:35.333
MEASURABLE OUTCOMES.

02:14:35.400 --> 02:14:36.401
CALIFORNIA'S MARKET INFLUENCE

02:14:36.468 --> 02:14:38.437
IS SIGNIFICANT. COORDINATING

02:14:38.503 --> 02:14:39.337
WITH NEIGHBORING STATES CAN

02:14:39.404 --> 02:14:40.672
HELP CREATE GREATER CERTAINTY

02:14:40.739 --> 02:14:42.174
FOR VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS,

02:14:42.240 --> 02:14:43.575
CHARGING PROVIDERS, UTILITIES,

02:14:43.642 --> 02:14:45.010
AND OTHER BUSINESSES MAKING

02:14:45.076 --> 02:14:46.878
LONG TERM INVESTMENTS IN THIS

02:14:46.945 --> 02:14:48.513
TRANSITION. I'LL CLOSE WITH ONE

02:14:48.580 --> 02:14:49.147
BROADER POINT. STRONG VEHICLE

02:14:49.214 --> 02:14:50.315
STANDARDS AND CONSUMER

02:14:50.382 --> 02:14:51.416
INCENTIVES HAVE PLAYED A

02:14:51.483 --> 02:14:53.552
CRITICAL ROLE IN CALIFORNIA'S

02:14:53.618 --> 02:14:54.686
PROGRESS, AND THEY REMAIN

02:14:54.753 --> 02:14:56.455
IMPORTANT TOOLS. BUT GIVEN THE

02:14:56.521 --> 02:14:57.189
UNCERTAINTY AT THE FEDERAL

02:14:57.255 --> 02:14:58.824
LEVEL, WE ALSO NEED TO FOCUS ON

02:14:58.890 --> 02:15:00.058
THE PRACTICAL BARRIERS THAT

02:15:00.125 --> 02:15:01.827
DETERMINE WHETHER CONSUMERS AND

02:15:01.893 --> 02:15:02.861
BUSINESSES CAN ACTUALLY MAKE

02:15:02.928 --> 02:15:03.895
THE SWITCH TO ELECTRIC. I'LL

02:15:03.962 --> 02:15:05.464
STOP THERE AND LOOK FORWARD TO

02:15:05.530 --> 02:15:06.932
DISCUSSING MORE. THANK YOU VERY

02:15:06.998 --> 02:15:10.502
MUCH, MISS IACONO. AND NEXT UP

02:15:10.569 --> 02:15:12.270
WE HAVE KURT AUGUSTINE, WHO IS

02:15:12.337 --> 02:15:13.939
THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF STATE

02:15:14.005 --> 02:15:16.608
AFFAIRS FOR THE ALLIANCE FOR

02:15:16.675 --> 02:15:19.144
AUTOMOTIVE INNOVATION. GOOD

02:15:19.211 --> 02:15:20.612
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

02:15:20.679 --> 02:15:21.780
ASSEMBLYMEMBER. SENATOR, THANK

02:15:21.847 --> 02:15:23.515
YOU AGAIN. I'M KURT AUGUSTINE,

02:15:23.582 --> 02:15:24.549
THE ALLIANCE FOR AUTOMOTIVE

02:15:24.616 --> 02:15:25.951
INNOVATION. WE'RE THE TRADE

02:15:26.017 --> 02:15:28.553
ASSOCIATION THAT REPRESENTS THE

02:15:28.620 --> 02:15:30.255
LIGHT DUTY MANUFACTURERS AS

02:15:30.322 --> 02:15:31.723
WELL AS EV BATTERY PRODUCERS,

02:15:31.790 --> 02:15:33.925
AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE TECHNOLOGIES,

02:15:33.992 --> 02:15:35.794
AS WELL AS A FAIRLY WIDE SWATH

02:15:35.861 --> 02:15:37.562
OF THE AUTO INDUSTRY. SO TODAY

02:15:37.629 --> 02:15:39.331
I WAS ASKED TO ADDRESS

02:15:39.397 --> 02:15:40.332
DEVELOPMENTS IN THE ZEV

02:15:40.398 --> 02:15:41.800
INDUSTRY REGARDING FEDERAL

02:15:41.867 --> 02:15:43.268
ACTION, WHAT CALIFORNIA HAS

02:15:43.335 --> 02:15:45.570
DONE SINCE AUTOMAKERS REACTION

02:15:45.637 --> 02:15:46.872
TO THAT, AND FINALLY, WHAT

02:15:46.938 --> 02:15:49.441
FUTURE ACTIONS WE CAN ALL TAKE

02:15:49.508 --> 02:15:51.209
COLLECTIVELY TO INCREASE THE

02:15:51.276 --> 02:15:53.411
EXPANSION OF ZEVS. FIRST OFF, I

02:15:53.478 --> 02:15:54.579
NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK

02:15:54.646 --> 02:15:55.914
THE STATE GOVERNOR NEWSOM AND

02:15:55.981 --> 02:15:58.049
THE LEGISLATURE FOR THEIR

02:15:58.116 --> 02:15:59.751
CONTINUED AND ONGOING SUPPORT

02:15:59.818 --> 02:16:01.987
OF EV SALES IN THIS CHALLENGING

02:16:02.053 --> 02:16:04.489
TIME. SO VERY QUICKLY, LOOKING

02:16:04.556 --> 02:16:07.025
BACK AT A COUPLE OF YEARS, THE

02:16:07.092 --> 02:16:08.126
AUTOMAKERS INITIALLY SOUGHT TO

02:16:08.193 --> 02:16:10.629
WORK WITH CARB TO ACHIEVE

02:16:10.695 --> 02:16:12.063
MODIFICATIONS TO THE ZEV

02:16:12.130 --> 02:16:13.865
MANDATE TO MAKE IT ACHIEVABLE

02:16:13.932 --> 02:16:15.667
IN THE FACE OF MARKET

02:16:15.734 --> 02:16:17.102
ACCEPTANCE AND FUELING

02:16:17.168 --> 02:16:18.870
INFRASTRUCTURE DEFICIENCIES. I

02:16:18.937 --> 02:16:20.872
MUST NOTE WE WE DID NOT OPPOSE

02:16:20.939 --> 02:16:22.507
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ZEV

02:16:22.574 --> 02:16:23.642
MANDATE, NOR WERE WE SEEKING

02:16:23.708 --> 02:16:25.710
THE ELIMINATION OF THE MANDATE.

02:16:25.777 --> 02:16:27.546
WE WERE SIMPLY SEEKING A

02:16:27.612 --> 02:16:30.081
COMBINATION OF LOWER ANNUAL

02:16:30.148 --> 02:16:31.182
MANDATES AND A PUSHING OUT OF

02:16:31.249 --> 02:16:34.719
THE FINAL 100% REQUIREMENT DATE.

02:16:34.786 --> 02:16:36.187
WHILE WE WERE SEEKING THESE

02:16:36.254 --> 02:16:37.589
CHANGES, SEVERAL THINGS DID

02:16:37.656 --> 02:16:40.125
OCCUR FOR STATES THAT WERE

02:16:40.191 --> 02:16:41.593
PARTICIPATING IN THE CALIFORNIA

02:16:41.660 --> 02:16:43.728
PROGRAM, ENDED THEIR

02:16:43.795 --> 02:16:44.763
PARTICIPATION IN THE ZEV

02:16:44.829 --> 02:16:46.331
MANDATE. NOTABLY, THREE OF

02:16:46.398 --> 02:16:48.400
THOSE STATES ARE LED BY

02:16:48.466 --> 02:16:50.936
DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS. ALSO,

02:16:51.002 --> 02:16:52.370
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND CONGRESS

02:16:52.437 --> 02:16:54.539
ENDED THE BIDEN ERA $7,500

02:16:54.606 --> 02:16:56.308
REBATE WE'VE HEARD ABOUT. THEY

02:16:56.374 --> 02:16:59.177
ENDED THE HOV SINGLE OCCUPANCY

02:16:59.244 --> 02:17:01.012
LANE ACCESS PROGRAM, WHICH WAS

02:17:01.079 --> 02:17:02.447
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT HERE IN

02:17:02.514 --> 02:17:04.215
CALIFORNIA. AND ALSO WE'VE

02:17:04.282 --> 02:17:07.152
HEARD REVOKING THESE CALIFORNIA

02:17:07.218 --> 02:17:09.287
WAIVER, WHICH THEN ULTIMATELY

02:17:09.354 --> 02:17:11.089
ENDED THE ZEV MANDATE FOR

02:17:11.156 --> 02:17:12.891
SEVERAL YEARS IN CALIFORNIA.

02:17:12.958 --> 02:17:16.595
AND THE SECTION 177 STATES, OUT

02:17:16.661 --> 02:17:17.929
OF SOME OF THE FRUSTRATION WE

02:17:17.996 --> 02:17:19.631
HAD IN OUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO

02:17:19.698 --> 02:17:21.166
MAKE A WORKABLE ZEV MANDATE,

02:17:21.232 --> 02:17:22.901
OUR MEMBERS DID SUPPORT THE

02:17:22.968 --> 02:17:25.470
INITIAL CONGRESSIONAL ACTION,

02:17:25.537 --> 02:17:26.938
HOWEVER, AS IT RELATES TO THIS

02:17:27.005 --> 02:17:28.373
SECOND AND THIRD ROUND OF

02:17:28.440 --> 02:17:29.441
CONGRESSIONAL ACTIONS ON TAKING

02:17:29.507 --> 02:17:30.842
SOME OF THE STANDARDS. WE HAVE

02:17:30.909 --> 02:17:32.677
NO POSITION. WE HAVE NOT

02:17:32.744 --> 02:17:33.745
ADVOCATED FOR ANYTHING AND HAVE

02:17:33.812 --> 02:17:35.947
SAID NOTHING ABOUT THOSE. WE.

02:17:36.014 --> 02:17:37.382
AGAIN, OUR FOCUS WAS SEEKING

02:17:37.449 --> 02:17:40.251
SOME RELIEF ON THE ZEV MANDATE.

02:17:40.318 --> 02:17:42.020
SO WHAT'S THE CURRENT SITUATION

02:17:42.087 --> 02:17:45.256
HERE? I HAVE TO ADD, I WASN'T

02:17:45.323 --> 02:17:46.725
PLANNING ON SAYING THIS, BUT

02:17:46.791 --> 02:17:49.628
HEARING PRIOR TESTIMONY, THE

02:17:49.694 --> 02:17:51.363
AUTOMAKERS COMMITMENT TO ZERO

02:17:51.429 --> 02:17:53.198
EMISSION VEHICLES IS STILL

02:17:53.264 --> 02:17:56.801
THERE. OUR COMPANIES HAVE SPENT

02:17:56.868 --> 02:17:58.336
NEARLY HALF $1 TRILLION WORTH

02:17:58.403 --> 02:18:00.805
OF INVESTMENTS IN THIS INDUSTRY

02:18:00.872 --> 02:18:02.140
AND TECHNOLOGY. THEY ARE NOT

02:18:02.207 --> 02:18:04.009
WALKING AWAY FROM THAT. YES.

02:18:04.075 --> 02:18:06.144
HAVE THERE BEEN REDUCTIONS IN

02:18:06.211 --> 02:18:08.346
PLANT OUTPUT? BUT THAT IS NOT

02:18:08.413 --> 02:18:10.849
IN REACTION TO AUTOMAKERS

02:18:10.915 --> 02:18:12.050
DESIRE. IT IS IN REACTION TO

02:18:12.117 --> 02:18:14.786
WHAT THE MARKETPLACE IS SHOWING.

02:18:14.853 --> 02:18:16.254
AND AT THE END OF THE FEDERAL

02:18:16.321 --> 02:18:18.056
REBATE HAS HURT SIGNIFICANTLY

02:18:18.123 --> 02:18:19.491
HERE IN CALIFORNIA, THE LAST

02:18:19.557 --> 02:18:21.660
FULL YEAR OF THE FEDERAL REBATE,

02:18:21.726 --> 02:18:24.963
WE HIT, 26% OF NEW CAR SALES

02:18:25.030 --> 02:18:27.065
WERE ZEVS. AS WE'VE SEEN, IT'S

02:18:27.132 --> 02:18:29.000
NOW ROUNDING UP. IT'S IT'S 20%.

02:18:29.067 --> 02:18:30.669
THAT'S EVEN WORSE AROUND THE

02:18:30.735 --> 02:18:32.437
COUNTRY. BUT WE'VE GOT TO NOTE

02:18:32.504 --> 02:18:34.639
IS THAT 20%, IF THE MANDATE WAS

02:18:34.706 --> 02:18:36.474
STILL IN PLACE THIS YEAR, WOULD

02:18:36.541 --> 02:18:38.943
HAVE BEEN 35%. WE'RE BARELY

02:18:39.010 --> 02:18:41.079
ACHIEVING 20%. WE'RE NOT SURE

02:18:41.146 --> 02:18:42.981
HOW WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN TO 35%

02:18:43.048 --> 02:18:44.516
THIS YEAR, AND MOST CERTAINLY

02:18:44.582 --> 02:18:46.951
HOW WE WERE GOING TO GET TO 68%

02:18:47.018 --> 02:18:50.722
IN 2030. WE'VE ALL SEEN ABOUT

02:18:50.789 --> 02:18:52.624
THE IMPACT ON GAS PRICES. IT'S

02:18:52.691 --> 02:18:54.092
A LITTLE EARLY TO SEE WHAT

02:18:54.159 --> 02:18:55.093
THOSE HIGHER PRICES ARE GOING

02:18:55.160 --> 02:18:56.961
TO DO ON BUYER BEHAVIOR. IT

02:18:57.028 --> 02:18:58.730
TAKES A FEW MONTHS FOR PEOPLE

02:18:58.797 --> 02:19:00.165
WHEN THEY'RE MAKING NEW CAR

02:19:00.231 --> 02:19:01.933
DECISIONS WHAT TO DO. BUT

02:19:02.000 --> 02:19:04.469
CLEARLY, IF THIS MAINTAINS ITS

02:19:04.536 --> 02:19:06.271
RATE, IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE

02:19:06.337 --> 02:19:09.174
AND WOULD HOPEFULLY ADVOCATE

02:19:09.240 --> 02:19:11.710
POSITIVELY AFFECT EV SALES.

02:19:11.776 --> 02:19:12.811
WE'VE WE'VE HEARD MANY TIMES

02:19:12.877 --> 02:19:14.546
ABOUT THE MY FIRST EV PROGRAM.

02:19:14.612 --> 02:19:16.014
WE WERE A VERY STRONG SUPPORTER

02:19:16.081 --> 02:19:17.549
OF THAT. IN FACT, WE WORKED

02:19:17.615 --> 02:19:18.983
WITH MR. GRUNDLER AND HIS TEAM

02:19:19.050 --> 02:19:21.052
TO HELP DEVELOP THE RULES THAT

02:19:21.119 --> 02:19:24.656
WERE INITIATED BY THE GOVERNOR.

02:19:24.723 --> 02:19:26.458
IN FACT, OUR ASSOCIATION

02:19:26.524 --> 02:19:27.559
PRESIDENT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE

02:19:27.625 --> 02:19:28.560
GOVERNOR'S ORIGINAL PRESS

02:19:28.626 --> 02:19:30.795
RELEASE ANNOUNCING THE PROGRAM.

02:19:30.862 --> 02:19:32.497
AND THEN WE WORKED TO SEEK ITS

02:19:32.564 --> 02:19:33.832
PASSAGE THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE,

02:19:33.898 --> 02:19:36.301
AND WE WERE GLAD IT DID. NOW,

02:19:36.367 --> 02:19:37.936
IT'S STILL KIND OF THE EARLY

02:19:38.002 --> 02:19:39.370
DAYS FOR OUR MEMBERS

02:19:39.437 --> 02:19:41.172
PARTICIPATING IN THE IN THE

02:19:41.239 --> 02:19:42.674
PROGRAM. SO WHILE THE PROGRAM

02:19:42.741 --> 02:19:44.476
WAS ANNOUNCED IN THE BEGINNING

02:19:44.542 --> 02:19:46.244
OF AUGUST, DIDN'T MEAN THAT

02:19:46.311 --> 02:19:47.345
AUTOMAKERS AUTOMATICALLY HAD TO

02:19:47.412 --> 02:19:48.546
START THAT. SO THEY'RE GETTING

02:19:48.613 --> 02:19:50.582
THEIR PROGRAMS UP TO PLACE. SO

02:19:50.648 --> 02:19:52.384
IT'LL PROBABLY BE A COUPLE MORE

02:19:52.450 --> 02:19:53.785
MONTHS TILL WE GET REALLY SOME

02:19:53.852 --> 02:19:56.354
MEANINGFUL RESULTS. BUT CLEARLY,

02:19:56.421 --> 02:19:58.156
WE HAVE SEEN SOME POSITIVES.

02:19:58.223 --> 02:19:59.224
AND THE GOVERNOR RECENTLY

02:19:59.290 --> 02:20:01.826
ANNOUNCED THOSE 12,000 REBATES

02:20:01.893 --> 02:20:05.296
HAVE BEEN DONE. BUT SOME OF THE

02:20:05.363 --> 02:20:08.199
INITIAL LESSONS WE HAVE LEARNED

02:20:08.266 --> 02:20:10.235
IS WE THINK IT'S A PROBLEM THAT

02:20:10.301 --> 02:20:12.537
THE PROGRAM EXCLUDES PLUG IN

02:20:12.604 --> 02:20:16.841
HYBRIDS. WE ALSO THINK THAT THE

02:20:16.908 --> 02:20:18.676
PROGRAM CUT OUT SEVERAL

02:20:18.743 --> 02:20:19.377
MANUFACTURERS FROM

02:20:19.444 --> 02:20:20.812
PARTICIPATING IN THEIR VEHICLES

02:20:20.879 --> 02:20:24.182
BY LOWERING THE MSRP CAP FROM

02:20:24.249 --> 02:20:26.217
THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT THE

02:20:26.284 --> 02:20:28.253
BIDEN ERA HAD. WE FOUND THAT

02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:29.420
VERY EFFECTIVE, AND THAT WAS 55

02:20:29.487 --> 02:20:32.690
FOR CARS AND 80,000 FOR TRUCKS.

02:20:32.757 --> 02:20:35.193
WE ARE WORKING WITH AT LEAST

02:20:35.260 --> 02:20:36.961
FIVE OTHER STATES TO ESTABLISH

02:20:37.028 --> 02:20:38.797
A SIMILAR PROGRAM, AND WE ARE

02:20:38.863 --> 02:20:40.965
COORDINATING OUR EFFORTS WITH

02:20:41.032 --> 02:20:41.933
CARB, AS MR. GRUNDLER HAD

02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:44.569
MENTIONED EARLIER. AND THEN

02:20:44.636 --> 02:20:45.603
FINALLY, I WILL ADDRESS A

02:20:45.670 --> 02:20:46.571
COUPLE LITTLE RECOMMENDATIONS

02:20:46.638 --> 02:20:48.907
AT THE END. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING

02:20:48.973 --> 02:20:51.075
WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH WITH

02:20:51.142 --> 02:20:53.545
CARB AND IT'S NEW RULES. IN

02:20:53.611 --> 02:20:54.779
SHORT, WE'RE REGULARLY ENGAGED

02:20:54.846 --> 02:20:57.182
WITH CARB ON ON ALL LEVELS.

02:20:57.248 --> 02:20:59.017
WE'RE WAITING FOR CARB TO

02:20:59.083 --> 02:21:00.451
RELEASE A MORE DETAILED

02:21:00.518 --> 02:21:02.887
REGULATORY PROPOSAL. SO FAR,

02:21:02.954 --> 02:21:04.088
THEY'VE ONLY SHARED WE'RE AT

02:21:04.155 --> 02:21:05.790
THE STAGE WHERE THEY'RE SHARING

02:21:05.857 --> 02:21:07.592
CONCEPTS. WE'VE SUBMITTED

02:21:07.659 --> 02:21:09.060
MULTIPLE COMMENT LETTERS AND

02:21:09.127 --> 02:21:11.162
HAVE HAD MANY MEETINGS ON THOSE

02:21:11.229 --> 02:21:12.997
CONCEPTS RELATED TO ZEVS

02:21:13.064 --> 02:21:14.766
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND

02:21:14.833 --> 02:21:17.135
CRITERIA EMISSIONS. SO MANY OF

02:21:17.202 --> 02:21:19.137
OUR POSITIONS RIGHT NOW ARE

02:21:19.204 --> 02:21:20.171
UNDETERMINED BECAUSE WE NEED TO

02:21:20.238 --> 02:21:22.140
SEE A MORE DETAILED PROPOSAL,

02:21:22.207 --> 02:21:23.541
BUT WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH

02:21:23.608 --> 02:21:25.376
THEM. AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE

02:21:25.443 --> 02:21:27.011
WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO

02:21:27.078 --> 02:21:28.813
PROVIDE FEEDBACK DATA AND

02:21:28.880 --> 02:21:31.716
DEVELOP SHARED POLICY SOLUTIONS.

02:21:31.783 --> 02:21:34.619
AND THEN FINALLY, SO REQUEST

02:21:34.686 --> 02:21:36.788
FOR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. IF

02:21:36.855 --> 02:21:39.357
THE STATE DOES CONTINUE THE MY

02:21:39.424 --> 02:21:41.426
FIRST PROGRAM FOR OUR FIRST EV

02:21:41.492 --> 02:21:42.861
PROGRAM, WE CERTAINLY WOULD

02:21:42.927 --> 02:21:44.996
RECOMMEND THAT. BUT WE DO THINK

02:21:45.063 --> 02:21:47.165
THAT IT SHOULD ALIGN THE MSRP

02:21:47.232 --> 02:21:49.701
CAPS WITH THE BIDEN INFLATION

02:21:49.767 --> 02:21:52.337
REDUCTION ACT NUMBERS. WE NEED

02:21:52.403 --> 02:21:54.706
TO BE AS INCLUSIVE AS POSSIBLE

02:21:54.772 --> 02:21:57.408
TO HELP THE DEPLOYMENT. AGAIN,

02:21:57.475 --> 02:21:59.410
I MENTIONED NÓ PLUG IN HYBRIDS.

02:21:59.477 --> 02:22:01.613
WE BELIEVE THAT'S ABSOLUTELY

02:22:01.679 --> 02:22:03.448
ESSENTIAL TO HAVE THAT IN THERE,

02:22:03.514 --> 02:22:05.950
BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT PLUG IN

02:22:06.017 --> 02:22:07.719
HYBRIDS REALLY PROVIDE THE

02:22:07.785 --> 02:22:09.153
OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF THESE

02:22:09.220 --> 02:22:10.955
RANGE ANXIETIES AND ALL THESE

02:22:11.022 --> 02:22:13.124
ISSUES THAT WE HAVE. WE BELIEVE

02:22:13.191 --> 02:22:15.293
IT'S AN EASIER PRICE POINT AND

02:22:15.360 --> 02:22:17.829
ALSO A POINT OF ASSURANCE. AND

02:22:17.896 --> 02:22:20.331
FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO

02:22:20.398 --> 02:22:21.799
THE EXCUSE ME, NOT FINALLY, ONE

02:22:21.866 --> 02:22:23.167
LAST THING. WE'D LIKE TO ECHO

02:22:23.234 --> 02:22:24.335
THE COMMENTS ON. WE'VE HEARD ON

02:22:24.402 --> 02:22:26.104
THE MULTIFAMILY CHARGING

02:22:26.170 --> 02:22:27.138
INFRASTRUCTURE, CRITICALLY

02:22:27.205 --> 02:22:28.172
IMPORTANT. ONE THING THAT WE

02:22:28.239 --> 02:22:30.074
HAVE NOT HEARD, COMMISSIONER

02:22:30.141 --> 02:22:31.242
SKINNER DID TOUCH ON IT A

02:22:31.309 --> 02:22:33.278
LITTLE BIT IS ABOUT

02:22:33.344 --> 02:22:35.780
BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGING. WE SEE

02:22:35.847 --> 02:22:37.582
FOUR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE

02:22:37.649 --> 02:22:39.784
DONE REDUCING THE

02:22:39.851 --> 02:22:40.818
INTERCONNECTION APPLICATION

02:22:40.885 --> 02:22:43.388
FEES FOR FOR BIDIRECTIONAL

02:22:43.454 --> 02:22:44.589
CHARGING. CALIFORNIA CURRENTLY

02:22:44.656 --> 02:22:46.324
HAS, IF NOT THE HIGHEST, SOME

02:22:46.391 --> 02:22:49.093
OF THE HIGHEST FEES. WE NEED TO

02:22:49.160 --> 02:22:51.262
DEVELOP RATES TO COMPENSATE

02:22:51.329 --> 02:22:53.097
DRIVERS FOR PROVIDING ENERGY TO

02:22:53.164 --> 02:22:55.199
THE GRID. AT TIMES OF HIGH

02:22:55.266 --> 02:22:57.402
DEMAND, WE NEED TO ELIMINATE

02:22:57.468 --> 02:22:58.736
COSTLY MEETING REQUIREMENTS.

02:22:58.803 --> 02:23:00.638
METERING REQUIREMENTS FOR SOLAR

02:23:00.705 --> 02:23:02.106
CUSTOMERS WHO ALSO WANT TO

02:23:02.173 --> 02:23:03.841
INSTALL BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGING.

02:23:03.908 --> 02:23:07.145
AND FINALLY, WE NEED TO APPROVE

02:23:07.211 --> 02:23:09.414
MANAGED CHARGING SYSTEMS. THESE

02:23:09.480 --> 02:23:10.548
THINGS COULD BE DONE THROUGH

02:23:10.615 --> 02:23:11.516
THE LEGISLATURE. RIGHT NOW,

02:23:11.582 --> 02:23:12.583
THEY'RE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF

02:23:12.650 --> 02:23:14.652
THE PUC, BUT WE STRONGLY

02:23:14.719 --> 02:23:15.753
BELIEVE ALL FOUR OF THOSE

02:23:15.820 --> 02:23:17.188
THINGS ARE CREATING A HINDRANCE

02:23:17.255 --> 02:23:18.623
TO THE BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGING

02:23:18.690 --> 02:23:20.425
THAT THE LEGISLATURE AND

02:23:20.491 --> 02:23:21.859
AUTOMAKERS WANT TO DO. AND

02:23:21.926 --> 02:23:25.463
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR.

02:23:25.530 --> 02:23:27.332
AUGUSTINE. NEXT UP, WE HAVE TIM

02:23:27.398 --> 02:23:28.700
HEGEL, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

02:23:28.766 --> 02:23:31.569
OF THE SAFE PASSAGE YOUTH

02:23:31.636 --> 02:23:33.738
FOUNDATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

02:23:33.805 --> 02:23:38.409
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HOW'S THAT?

02:23:38.476 --> 02:23:40.578
GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

02:23:40.645 --> 02:23:41.713
YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT IS

02:23:41.779 --> 02:23:43.915
SOMEONE WITH A YOUTH FOUNDATION

02:23:43.982 --> 02:23:45.650
DOING HERE? WELL, OUR

02:23:45.717 --> 02:23:47.452
FOUNDATION HAS ONE SIMPLE

02:23:47.518 --> 02:23:48.953
FUNCTION REMOVING BARRIERS TO

02:23:49.020 --> 02:23:51.456
LOW INCOME FAMILIES, PROVIDING

02:23:51.522 --> 02:23:53.558
ROBUST FUTURE AND A PATHWAY TO

02:23:53.625 --> 02:23:55.693
ADULTHOOD FOR CHILDREN THAT

02:23:55.760 --> 02:23:57.829
OVERCOME RESILIENCY AND JOY

02:23:57.895 --> 02:24:00.031
EVERY DAY BY GETTING THROUGH

02:24:00.098 --> 02:24:01.733
BARRIERS. THEIR DAY STARTS OUT

02:24:01.799 --> 02:24:03.701
WITH A BARRIER. THEIR DAY ENDS

02:24:03.768 --> 02:24:05.803
WITH A BARRIER. SO WE'RE

02:24:05.870 --> 02:24:07.338
PERFECTLY SUITED TO DO A STUDY

02:24:07.405 --> 02:24:09.407
OF LOW INCOME FAMILIES WITH EV

02:24:09.474 --> 02:24:11.209
VEHICLES IN CALIFORNIA. WE'RE

02:24:11.275 --> 02:24:12.977
GRATEFUL TO THE STATE AND TO

02:24:13.044 --> 02:24:14.812
CARB FOR PROVIDING THE FUNDING.

02:24:14.879 --> 02:24:16.014
AND WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. I'M

02:24:16.080 --> 02:24:17.949
GOING TO GO WAY OFF SCRIPT,

02:24:18.016 --> 02:24:19.050
WHICH I'M KNOWN FOR, BECAUSE

02:24:19.117 --> 02:24:20.518
I'M LISTENING TO EVERYBODY HERE,

02:24:20.585 --> 02:24:21.953
AND I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF

02:24:22.020 --> 02:24:23.788
TELL YOU WHAT IS REALLY GOING

02:24:23.855 --> 02:24:25.256
ON ON THE STREETS. OKAY. AND

02:24:25.323 --> 02:24:27.091
THIS IS DEALING WITH 600 PLUS

02:24:27.158 --> 02:24:29.193
LOW INCOME FAMILIES EVERY DAY.

02:24:29.260 --> 02:24:30.695
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS REALLY

02:24:30.762 --> 02:24:33.164
COOL. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS PLACE

02:24:33.231 --> 02:24:35.700
EV VEHICLES IN THE HANDS OF LOW

02:24:35.767 --> 02:24:38.202
INCOME FAMILIES AND ALLOW THEM.

02:24:38.269 --> 02:24:39.971
IT'S A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP.

02:24:40.038 --> 02:24:41.439
YOU DRIVE THE VEHICLE ALL DAY,

02:24:41.506 --> 02:24:43.608
GO ON WITH YOUR LOW INCOME LIFE,

02:24:43.674 --> 02:24:45.543
TAKE THOSE KIDS TO THEIR SCHOOL,

02:24:45.610 --> 02:24:47.912
DO YOUR TWO JOBS THAT YOU DO,

02:24:47.979 --> 02:24:49.680
SOMETIMES THREE JOBS THAT YOU

02:24:49.747 --> 02:24:51.916
DO AND TRYING TO MAINTAIN YOUR

02:24:51.983 --> 02:24:53.584
NORMAL LIFESTYLE. SO THE CARS

02:24:53.651 --> 02:24:55.119
HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR 32

02:24:55.186 --> 02:24:56.587
MONTHS. SOMETIMES AS THE

02:24:56.654 --> 02:24:57.655
DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH, I'M

02:24:57.722 --> 02:24:59.424
PULLING MY HAIR OUT AT NIGHT

02:24:59.490 --> 02:25:00.858
BECAUSE THESE ARE REAL WORLD

02:25:00.925 --> 02:25:03.394
PEOPLE. THEY HAVE CAR ACCIDENTS,

02:25:03.461 --> 02:25:06.264
THEY RUN LATE, THEY RUN OUT OF

02:25:06.330 --> 02:25:07.398
ELECTRICITY ON ROADS IN

02:25:07.465 --> 02:25:10.268
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE OF

02:25:10.334 --> 02:25:12.036
JUST THE NON-EDUCATION OR

02:25:12.103 --> 02:25:13.504
COACHING. SO I WANT TO GO OVER

02:25:13.571 --> 02:25:15.506
A FEW OF THE STATS. OUR REPORT

02:25:15.573 --> 02:25:17.108
WILL BE RELEASED THIS WEEK. IF

02:25:17.175 --> 02:25:19.277
YOU WANT TO READ 89 PAGES THAT

02:25:19.343 --> 02:25:20.645
MAKE YOUR MIGHT, IT MIGHT MAKE

02:25:20.711 --> 02:25:21.813
YOUR MIND A LITTLE DIZZY ON

02:25:21.879 --> 02:25:23.648
SOME OF THE CHARTS, BUT THE

02:25:23.714 --> 02:25:24.749
REAL WORLD RESEARCH FROM THESE

02:25:24.816 --> 02:25:26.050
FAMILIES, WHAT THEY AGREED TO

02:25:26.117 --> 02:25:27.952
IS TELEMETRY ON THE VEHICLE 24

02:25:28.019 --> 02:25:30.455
HOURS A DAY, WEEKLY SURVEYS

02:25:30.521 --> 02:25:32.890
WITH RESEARCHERS, AND MONTHLY

02:25:32.957 --> 02:25:34.759
FACE TO FACE SURVEYS OF TELL US

02:25:34.826 --> 02:25:36.527
WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN YOUR

02:25:36.594 --> 02:25:37.628
WORLD. YOU'VE GOT THREE KIDS,

02:25:37.695 --> 02:25:39.063
YOU'RE HAULING THEM TO SOCCER.

02:25:39.130 --> 02:25:40.865
YOU HAVE TWO JOBS. ONE IS AT A

02:25:40.932 --> 02:25:42.633
FAST FOOD, ANOTHER IS MAYBE

02:25:42.700 --> 02:25:44.102
CLEANING HOUSES. HOW ARE YOU

02:25:44.168 --> 02:25:45.736
DOING IT? AND WE'VE LEARNED A

02:25:45.803 --> 02:25:48.005
LOT FROM IT. SO I THINK I DID

02:25:48.072 --> 02:25:50.174
ENOUGH ABOUT WHY IT GOES ON.

02:25:50.241 --> 02:25:53.444
AND THE 59,000 MILES THAT WE'RE

02:25:53.511 --> 02:25:55.246
TRACKING EACH YEAR WITH THIS,

02:25:55.313 --> 02:25:56.647
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE

02:25:56.714 --> 02:25:58.816
BIT OF SNAPSHOT. SO THE LOW

02:25:58.883 --> 02:26:00.618
INCOME EV DRIVER, WEEKLY

02:26:00.685 --> 02:26:01.719
MILEAGE, AGAIN, THIS IS COMING

02:26:01.786 --> 02:26:03.154
OUT THIS WEEK, BUT YOU HEARD IT

02:26:03.221 --> 02:26:06.057
HERE FIRST. I DON'T CARE WHAT

02:26:06.124 --> 02:26:07.492
STUDIES SAY IN NEW YORK OR

02:26:07.558 --> 02:26:08.559
OTHER STATES. THIS IS

02:26:08.626 --> 02:26:09.861
CALIFORNIA. THIS IS OUR STATE

02:26:09.927 --> 02:26:11.863
OF ALL OF US HERE IN THIS ROOM.

02:26:11.929 --> 02:26:14.599
THE WEEKLY MILEAGE IS ABOUT 189

02:26:14.665 --> 02:26:17.902
MILES PER FAMILY IN THEIR EV

02:26:17.969 --> 02:26:21.939
VEHICLE. ONLY OUT OF THOSE

02:26:22.006 --> 02:26:23.007
FAMILIES, ALL THESE FAMILIES DO.

02:26:23.074 --> 02:26:24.775
IN THIS STUDY, OUT OF 58,000

02:26:24.842 --> 02:26:26.310
MILES, ONLY THREE TRIPS WERE

02:26:26.377 --> 02:26:28.346
MADE FOR MORE THAN 100 MILES IN

02:26:28.412 --> 02:26:30.848
ONE TRIP. THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE

02:26:30.915 --> 02:26:33.050
YOUR LOW INCOME FOLKS ARE HELD

02:26:33.117 --> 02:26:35.186
TO A GEOGRAPHICAL AREA,

02:26:35.253 --> 02:26:37.722
STRICTLY BECAUSE OF ECONOMY AND

02:26:37.788 --> 02:26:38.789
ECONOMICS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE

02:26:38.856 --> 02:26:39.857
ABILITY TO VACATION. TAKE A

02:26:39.924 --> 02:26:41.726
TRIP TO SEAWORLD IN SAN DIEGO

02:26:41.792 --> 02:26:43.861
FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. THIS

02:26:43.928 --> 02:26:45.630
ONE YOU'VE HEARD AD NAUSEAM

02:26:45.696 --> 02:26:46.764
THROUGH THIS ENTIRE GROUP, BUT

02:26:46.831 --> 02:26:49.967
THE DWELL TIME IS 46 MINUTES.

02:26:50.034 --> 02:26:52.136
SO IMAGINE THIS YOU HAVE TWO

02:26:52.203 --> 02:26:53.871
KIDS. YOU'VE GOT TO GET THEM TO

02:26:53.938 --> 02:26:55.006
SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU GOT TO GET

02:26:55.072 --> 02:26:56.941
TO YOUR JOB AND YOU'VE GOT TO

02:26:57.008 --> 02:26:58.643
PARK IT AT YOUR LEVEL THREE

02:26:58.709 --> 02:26:59.977
CHARGING STATION. OH, I FORGOT

02:27:00.044 --> 02:27:01.512
TO MENTION THEY DON'T HAVE

02:27:01.579 --> 02:27:03.648
LEVEL ONE OR LEVEL TWO CHARGERS.

02:27:03.714 --> 02:27:05.816
NOT A SINGLE PARTICIPANT HAS A

02:27:05.883 --> 02:27:07.251
LEVEL ONE OR A LEVEL TWO

02:27:07.318 --> 02:27:09.020
CHARGER. WHY? BECAUSE THEY LIVE

02:27:09.086 --> 02:27:12.623
IN CONVERTED GARAGES, A D USE

02:27:12.690 --> 02:27:14.258
HOTELS. THEY LIVE IN APARTMENTS.

02:27:14.325 --> 02:27:16.294
THEY LIVE IN CONDOMINIUMS. ONE

02:27:16.360 --> 02:27:18.029
FAMILY I HAD TO GO RECENTLY. GO

02:27:18.095 --> 02:27:20.598
CORRECT. THEY LOW INCOME

02:27:20.665 --> 02:27:21.632
HOUSING APARTMENTS THAT THEY

02:27:21.699 --> 02:27:23.901
CAN AFFORD REALLY ALMOST NEVER

02:27:23.968 --> 02:27:25.903
HAVE GARAGES. IT'S CARPORTS.

02:27:25.970 --> 02:27:27.171
THERE'S NO ELECTRICAL OUTLETS

02:27:27.238 --> 02:27:28.673
FOR LEVEL ONE CHARGERS. SO THE

02:27:28.739 --> 02:27:31.008
IDEA IS GREAT, BUT THERE'S NO

02:27:31.075 --> 02:27:32.810
LEVEL ONE ABILITY FOR

02:27:32.877 --> 02:27:33.711
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE APARTMENT.

02:27:33.778 --> 02:27:35.313
SO WHAT DO THEY DO? WE'RE

02:27:35.379 --> 02:27:36.514
HUMANS. THEY REMOVE THE LIGHT

02:27:36.581 --> 02:27:38.516
BULB IN THE CEILING OF THE

02:27:38.583 --> 02:27:39.650
CARPORTS, HUNDREDS OF LIGHT

02:27:39.717 --> 02:27:41.052
BULBS. THEY GO TO THE DO IT

02:27:41.118 --> 02:27:42.987
YOURSELF CENTER, SPEND $3, PLUG

02:27:43.054 --> 02:27:45.022
IN AN ELECTRICAL CORD,

02:27:45.089 --> 02:27:46.891
DANGEROUS AS HECK, AND THEY GET

02:27:46.958 --> 02:27:48.726
ABOUT SIX MILES A NIGHT WHILE

02:27:48.793 --> 02:27:50.761
THEY'RE SLEEPING. IT'S

02:27:50.828 --> 02:27:52.897
RIDICULOUS. RIGHT? SO IMAGINE

02:27:52.964 --> 02:27:55.833
THIS. I DRIVE AN ELECTRIC

02:27:55.900 --> 02:27:57.702
VEHICLE, I COME HOME. YOU KNOW

02:27:57.768 --> 02:28:00.538
WHAT? MY DWELL TIME IS ZERO. I

02:28:00.605 --> 02:28:02.673
ARRIVE AT HOME. I HAVE SOLAR AT

02:28:02.740 --> 02:28:04.308
THE HOUSE. I'M GOING TO JUST

02:28:04.375 --> 02:28:05.443
SKIP ALL THE DETAILS. YOU ALL

02:28:05.509 --> 02:28:07.311
KNOW THE SAME THING. COST ME

02:28:07.378 --> 02:28:08.412
ABOUT $0.03 A KILOWATT, OKAY,

02:28:08.479 --> 02:28:12.016
WHICH IS 3.2 MILES. SO. SO I'M

02:28:12.083 --> 02:28:15.253
GOING 3.2 MILES FOR $0.03.

02:28:15.319 --> 02:28:17.054
THAT'S IT. WHAT DO THEY PAY?

02:28:17.121 --> 02:28:19.323
I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. THEY PAY IN

02:28:19.390 --> 02:28:21.325
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. OF ALL OF

02:28:21.392 --> 02:28:23.961
OUR METRICS, $0.52 A KILOWATT.

02:28:24.028 --> 02:28:26.097
OKAY. SO WHAT DOES THAT

02:28:26.163 --> 02:28:27.565
ACTUALLY MEAN? THAT MEANS IT'S

02:28:27.632 --> 02:28:30.401
ABOUT $0.16 A MILE FOR THEM.

02:28:30.468 --> 02:28:32.536
$0.03 FOR ME, MAYBE $0.09 FOR

02:28:32.603 --> 02:28:34.005
YOU. BUT THEY'RE PAYING THE

02:28:34.071 --> 02:28:36.107
THREE TIMES THE RATE OF ANYBODY

02:28:36.173 --> 02:28:37.942
LIVING IN THE MIDDLE CLASS IS

02:28:38.009 --> 02:28:39.043
WHAT THEY'RE PAYING. AND THEY

02:28:39.110 --> 02:28:41.312
MAKE 3 TO 10 TIMES LESS MONEY

02:28:41.379 --> 02:28:43.347
THAN ANYBODY LIVING IN THE

02:28:43.414 --> 02:28:45.883
MIDDLE CLASS. SO ONE LAST THING.

02:28:45.950 --> 02:28:47.652
I KIND OF HAVE ALL THESE

02:28:47.718 --> 02:28:48.886
DIFFERENT AREAS, THREE AREAS,

02:28:48.953 --> 02:28:51.255
BUT I'LL JUST SUM IT UP. POLICY

02:28:51.322 --> 02:28:52.757
FRAMEWORK. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

02:28:52.823 --> 02:28:54.525
APARTMENT BUILDINGS, CONDOS AND

02:28:54.592 --> 02:28:56.294
THOSE. THERE'S SO MANY LAWS OUT

02:28:56.360 --> 02:28:57.395
THERE. YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE

02:28:57.461 --> 02:28:58.829
DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT A RENTER

02:28:58.896 --> 02:28:59.964
CAN ASK THEIR LANDLORD TO PUT

02:29:00.031 --> 02:29:01.699
IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY HAVE

02:29:01.766 --> 02:29:03.701
TO DO IT UNDER STATE LAW AT THE

02:29:03.768 --> 02:29:05.703
RENTERS EXPENSE. NOT ONE RENTER

02:29:05.770 --> 02:29:07.605
IS GOING TO ASK THEIR LANDLORD

02:29:07.672 --> 02:29:08.839
TO PUT IN THE CHARGING BECAUSE

02:29:08.906 --> 02:29:10.441
THEY'RE GOING TO GET EVICTED.

02:29:10.508 --> 02:29:11.709
AND THIS IS A COMMON FEELING

02:29:11.776 --> 02:29:13.644
THAT THEY HAVE. SO I THINK FOR

02:29:13.711 --> 02:29:15.379
THE STATE FOR POLICY IDEA IS

02:29:15.446 --> 02:29:17.181
ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THE

02:29:17.248 --> 02:29:20.084
APARTMENT COMPLEXES FOR

02:29:20.151 --> 02:29:22.620
CONVERSION OF CARPORTS, PUT IN

02:29:22.687 --> 02:29:25.156
110, 120 VOLT OUTLETS IN THERE

02:29:25.222 --> 02:29:26.891
AND LET THEM HAVE THEIR

02:29:26.957 --> 02:29:29.060
CHARGING ABILITIES. WE'RE BIG

02:29:29.126 --> 02:29:30.861
INTO SUPPORTING THE ACTUAL

02:29:30.928 --> 02:29:32.763
OWNERS AND THE COMPANIES THAT

02:29:32.830 --> 02:29:34.332
HAVE THE LOW INCOME HOUSING,

02:29:34.398 --> 02:29:36.267
AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP THEM.

02:29:36.334 --> 02:29:38.035
NUMBER TWO IS MAKE IT

02:29:38.102 --> 02:29:40.237
SUSTAINABILITY. IMAGINE THIS

02:29:40.304 --> 02:29:41.806
GASOLINE IS NOT REGULATED. WE

02:29:41.872 --> 02:29:43.441
ALL KNOW YOU CAN GO TO FOUR

02:29:43.507 --> 02:29:44.575
CORNERS RIGHT HERE ON WILSHIRE.

02:29:44.642 --> 02:29:46.711
AND THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT GAS

02:29:46.777 --> 02:29:48.346
PRICES. OKAY, WITH COMPETITION,

02:29:48.412 --> 02:29:50.314
BUT THERE'S NO COMPETITION

02:29:50.381 --> 02:29:52.483
WHATSOEVER WITH EV VEHICLE

02:29:52.550 --> 02:29:54.318
CHARGING. IT'S UNREGULATED.

02:29:54.385 --> 02:29:55.720
THEY'RE GETTING THERE. THEY'RE

02:29:55.786 --> 02:29:57.588
GETTING THEIR ELECTRICITY AT A

02:29:57.655 --> 02:29:59.023
SET FEE FROM THE PUBLIC

02:29:59.090 --> 02:30:00.024
UTILITIES COMMISSION, AND THEN

02:30:00.091 --> 02:30:01.292
THEY'RE SELLING IT AT ANYTHING

02:30:01.359 --> 02:30:03.627
THEY WANT. RECENTLY, SAU

02:30:03.694 --> 02:30:06.530
CHARGING SYSTEM, IT WAS $0.75 A

02:30:06.597 --> 02:30:08.632
KILOWATT BECAUSE IT COULD BE

02:30:08.699 --> 02:30:10.101
100. IT COULD BE $100 A

02:30:10.167 --> 02:30:11.869
KILOWATT. THERE'S NO LAWS DOING

02:30:11.936 --> 02:30:13.337
THAT. AND WHERE IS IT? IN FRONT

02:30:13.404 --> 02:30:15.673
OF A SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFIT

02:30:15.740 --> 02:30:17.641
CENTER? WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU

02:30:17.708 --> 02:30:19.143
FOR WHAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING?

02:30:19.210 --> 02:30:20.945
IT'S UNREGULATED. SO THAT'S

02:30:21.011 --> 02:30:22.079
THAT'S THE SECOND ONE. AND THE

02:30:22.146 --> 02:30:23.948
THIRD AND FINAL ONE IS WE'VE

02:30:24.014 --> 02:30:25.082
LEARNED SO MANY LESSONS AND YOU

02:30:25.149 --> 02:30:27.351
CAN READ IT IN THE REPORT, BUT

02:30:27.418 --> 02:30:29.220
THIS TAKES COACHING. IMAGINE I

02:30:29.286 --> 02:30:30.521
KNOW YOU'VE ALL HEARD OF

02:30:30.588 --> 02:30:32.089
CHARGING ANXIETY. I DRIVE AN

02:30:32.156 --> 02:30:33.524
ELECTRIC VEHICLE. HECK YEAH, IT

02:30:33.591 --> 02:30:35.226
EXISTS NOW. IT DOESN'T MATTER

02:30:35.292 --> 02:30:36.394
TO ME, MAN. I'LL TAKE THAT

02:30:36.460 --> 02:30:38.229
THING DOWN TO FOUR MILES AND

02:30:38.295 --> 02:30:41.165
I'M GOOD. BUT I KNOW, BUT BUT

02:30:41.232 --> 02:30:43.234
FOR SIX MONTHS SCARES ME TO

02:30:43.300 --> 02:30:44.702
DEATH. IF YOU LOOK AT IT AND

02:30:44.769 --> 02:30:46.570
YOU'RE DOWN TO 30 MILES, THAT'S

02:30:46.637 --> 02:30:48.272
THE EQUIVALENT FOR A TOYOTA

02:30:48.339 --> 02:30:50.441
COROLLA HAVING ONE GALLON OF

02:30:50.508 --> 02:30:52.943
GASOLINE IN THEIR CAR. OKAY, SO

02:30:53.010 --> 02:30:54.412
THINK ABOUT THAT. AND THAT'S

02:30:54.478 --> 02:30:56.213
ANXIETY. WELL, IMAGINE THAT

02:30:56.280 --> 02:30:57.982
WHEN YOU LIVE AS A LOW INCOME

02:30:58.048 --> 02:30:59.583
FAMILY AND YOU LIVE IN A

02:30:59.650 --> 02:31:00.584
CHARGING DESERT, PEOPLE KEEP

02:31:00.651 --> 02:31:01.652
TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE MAKING ALL

02:31:01.719 --> 02:31:03.454
THESE CHARGERS. REALLY TAKE A

02:31:03.521 --> 02:31:05.055
LOOK AT WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING

02:31:05.122 --> 02:31:06.390
THEM. THEY'RE PROBABLY ALL OVER

02:31:06.457 --> 02:31:08.759
THE PLACE HERE, BUT THEY'RE ALL

02:31:08.826 --> 02:31:10.561
OVER THE PLACE. BUT WHERE THE

02:31:10.628 --> 02:31:12.163
LOW INCOME FAMILIES, IT'S NOT

02:31:12.229 --> 02:31:14.198
THERE'S NOT A CAPITAL RETURN

02:31:14.265 --> 02:31:16.500
FOR THE 4 OR 5 MAJOR COMPANIES

02:31:16.567 --> 02:31:18.269
TO PUT THEM THERE. SO WITH THAT,

02:31:18.335 --> 02:31:20.004
I COULD GO ON AND ON. AND I'M

02:31:20.070 --> 02:31:21.972
JUST GOING TO PASS ON, WELL, WE

02:31:22.039 --> 02:31:23.174
MIGHT BE ASKING SOME QUESTIONS

02:31:23.240 --> 02:31:25.376
LATER JUST FOR EVERYBODY HERE.

02:31:25.443 --> 02:31:26.777
TIM HAGEL USED TO BE THE POLICE

02:31:26.844 --> 02:31:28.379
CHIEF OF THOUSAND OAKS, AND

02:31:28.446 --> 02:31:30.748
THEN HE FOUNDED SAFE PASSAGES.

02:31:30.815 --> 02:31:32.049
AND A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION WE

02:31:32.116 --> 02:31:33.751
WERE HAVING IN THE LEGISLATURE

02:31:33.818 --> 02:31:35.419
IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THE

02:31:35.486 --> 02:31:36.787
EARLY ADOPTERS, BUT WE'RE NEVER

02:31:36.854 --> 02:31:38.022
GOING TO MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS

02:31:38.088 --> 02:31:40.825
UNLESS WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET

02:31:40.891 --> 02:31:43.727
EVS TO LOW INCOME FOLKS. SO I

02:31:43.794 --> 02:31:45.196
ACTUALLY APPROACHED HIM AND

02:31:45.262 --> 02:31:47.364
SAID, WE CAN WE GIVE YOU SOME

02:31:47.431 --> 02:31:49.266
MONEY AND CAN YOU DO THIS STUDY?

02:31:49.333 --> 02:31:51.569
IT'S NOT LIKE THIS WAS

02:31:51.635 --> 02:31:52.636
SOMETHING THAT HE REGULARLY DID,

02:31:52.703 --> 02:31:55.973
AND HE DESIGNED A STUDY WITH

02:31:56.040 --> 02:31:57.741
ACADEMICS. AND THAT REPORT IS

02:31:57.808 --> 02:31:58.709
COMING OUT NEXT WEEK. I WOULD

02:31:58.776 --> 02:32:00.978
REALLY URGE THIS IS LIKE AS

02:32:01.045 --> 02:32:03.514
GRASSROOTS AS YOU GET WITH REAL

02:32:03.581 --> 02:32:05.683
ANSWERS ON, ON HOW THESE FOLKS

02:32:05.749 --> 02:32:08.285
ARE COPING WITH, WITH TRYING TO

02:32:08.352 --> 02:32:10.387
GET INTO EVS. SO I WOULD

02:32:10.454 --> 02:32:11.155
ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE

02:32:11.222 --> 02:32:14.692
REPORT AND, AND TIM IS HAPPY TO

02:32:14.758 --> 02:32:16.494
SHARE ANY OF HIS EXPERIENCES

02:32:16.560 --> 02:32:17.895
WITH YOU. YOU'VE DONE A

02:32:17.962 --> 02:32:20.431
PHENOMENAL JOB. AND NEXT WE

02:32:20.498 --> 02:32:23.734
HAVE LAURA RENNER. AND LAURA IS

02:32:23.801 --> 02:32:25.836
THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE

02:32:25.903 --> 02:32:27.271
CALIFORNIA ELECTRIC

02:32:27.338 --> 02:32:28.839
TRANSPORTATION COALITION. THANK

02:32:28.906 --> 02:32:31.609
YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. CHAIR

02:32:31.675 --> 02:32:33.010
IRWIN, CHAIR SCHIAVO AND

02:32:33.077 --> 02:32:34.845
SENATOR STERN, APPRECIATE YOU

02:32:34.912 --> 02:32:37.414
HAVING US HERE TODAY. I HAVE

02:32:37.481 --> 02:32:39.216
SOME PREPARED REMARKS. I DO

02:32:39.283 --> 02:32:40.885
WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I WE

02:32:40.951 --> 02:32:42.720
ALSO HAVE A HANDOUT THAT'S OVER

02:32:42.786 --> 02:32:44.021
THERE IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS IT,

02:32:44.088 --> 02:32:45.956
AND I CAN ALSO SEND IT TO YOU

02:32:46.023 --> 02:32:48.859
OR GRAB YOU ONE. MAYBE ROSS CAN

02:32:48.926 --> 02:32:52.563
SHARE. BUT I WANT TO ECHO SOME

02:32:52.630 --> 02:32:54.298
OF THE THEMES THAT WE'VE HEARD

02:32:54.365 --> 02:32:55.399
FROM SOME OF THE OTHER

02:32:55.466 --> 02:32:57.568
PANELISTS, AND MAYBE PUT EVEN A

02:32:57.635 --> 02:32:59.303
LITTLE BIT FINER POINT ON SOME

02:32:59.370 --> 02:33:01.105
CONCRETE ACTIONS THAT I THINK

02:33:01.171 --> 02:33:03.307
WE CAN TAKE RIGHT NOW TO

02:33:03.374 --> 02:33:05.442
CONTINUE THE GREAT PROGRESS.

02:33:05.509 --> 02:33:06.877
BEFORE I BEGIN, JUST A LITTLE

02:33:06.944 --> 02:33:09.046
BIT ABOUT CARLY, I THINK MOST

02:33:09.113 --> 02:33:10.781
OF YOU GUYS KNOW US, BUT WE ARE

02:33:10.848 --> 02:33:13.317
THE ELECTRIC TRANSPORTATION

02:33:13.384 --> 02:33:15.152
COALITION. OUR MEMBERS ARE THE

02:33:15.219 --> 02:33:16.587
STATE'S ELECTRIC UTILITIES.

02:33:16.654 --> 02:33:18.389
BOTH THE PUBLICLY OWNED

02:33:18.455 --> 02:33:19.490
UTILITIES AND THE INVESTOR

02:33:19.557 --> 02:33:22.726
OWNED UTILITIES, AS WELL AS THE

02:33:22.793 --> 02:33:24.562
AUTOMAKERS AND CHARGEPOINT

02:33:24.628 --> 02:33:28.098
OPERATORS AND OTHER OTHER

02:33:28.165 --> 02:33:29.900
COMPANIES IN OUR CHARGING

02:33:29.967 --> 02:33:31.335
INDUSTRY THAT ARE WORKING TO

02:33:31.402 --> 02:33:33.504
MAKE CHARGING MORE AVAILABLE

02:33:33.571 --> 02:33:34.972
AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES MORE

02:33:35.039 --> 02:33:38.208
AVAILABLE TO ALL CALIFORNIANS.

02:33:38.275 --> 02:33:39.977
SO TODAY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT

02:33:40.044 --> 02:33:42.479
THREE DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT WE

02:33:42.546 --> 02:33:46.483
CAN TAKE THAT ARE MOSTLY IN

02:33:46.550 --> 02:33:47.284
LINE WITH EVERYTHING THAT

02:33:47.351 --> 02:33:49.353
YOU'VE HEARD SO FAR TODAY FROM

02:33:49.420 --> 02:33:51.889
OTHER PANELISTS. FIRST AND

02:33:51.956 --> 02:33:53.023
FOREMOST, I WANT TO TALK A

02:33:53.090 --> 02:33:54.425
LITTLE BIT ABOUT INCENTIVES,

02:33:54.491 --> 02:33:56.260
AND WE REALLY WANT TO APPLAUD

02:33:56.327 --> 02:33:57.928
CARB FOR THE WORK THAT THEY

02:33:57.995 --> 02:33:59.730
HAVE BEEN DOING. WITH THE MY

02:33:59.797 --> 02:34:01.599
FIRST EV PROGRAM, I HAD THE

02:34:01.665 --> 02:34:03.734
HONOR OF SHARING THE STAGE WITH

02:34:03.801 --> 02:34:04.802
GOVERNOR NEWSOM WHEN THAT

02:34:04.868 --> 02:34:06.637
PROGRAM WAS LAUNCHED, AND IT'S

02:34:06.704 --> 02:34:08.606
NICE TO SEE THE RESULTS COMING

02:34:08.672 --> 02:34:09.907
IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN

02:34:09.974 --> 02:34:12.076
SO FAR. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS

02:34:12.142 --> 02:34:14.578
ABOUT THIS PROGRAM IS THAT THE

02:34:14.645 --> 02:34:15.245
INCENTIVES ARE AVAILABLE AT

02:34:15.312 --> 02:34:17.448
POINT OF SALE. AND SO TO THE

02:34:17.514 --> 02:34:19.249
EXTENT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO

02:34:19.316 --> 02:34:20.684
TRY TO MAKE INCENTIVES

02:34:20.751 --> 02:34:22.252
AVAILABLE AT POINT OF SALE FROM

02:34:22.319 --> 02:34:24.254
THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE

02:34:24.321 --> 02:34:26.390
PAST, THE AS YOU KNOW, THE

02:34:26.457 --> 02:34:27.424
STATE'S UTILITIES WERE VERY

02:34:27.491 --> 02:34:28.993
INVOLVED WITH THE FIRST

02:34:29.059 --> 02:34:29.994
ITERATION OF THE CALIFORNIA

02:34:30.060 --> 02:34:31.895
CLEAN FUEL REWARD PROGRAM,

02:34:31.962 --> 02:34:33.297
WHICH IS FUNDED BY THE LOW

02:34:33.364 --> 02:34:34.865
CARBON FUEL STANDARD. AND I'LL

02:34:34.932 --> 02:34:36.467
TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT

02:34:36.533 --> 02:34:37.501
WHAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON WITH

02:34:37.568 --> 02:34:39.870
THAT PROGRAM LATER, BUT MAKING

02:34:39.937 --> 02:34:41.472
THE INCENTIVE AVAILABLE AT

02:34:41.538 --> 02:34:44.108
POINT OF SALE WAS CRITICAL FOR

02:34:44.174 --> 02:34:46.110
OUR CUSTOMERS. AND SO WE WANT

02:34:46.176 --> 02:34:48.045
TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT,

02:34:48.112 --> 02:34:49.847
CONTINUE TO STREAMLINE

02:34:49.913 --> 02:34:50.981
INCENTIVES AND MAKE THEM EASY

02:34:51.048 --> 02:34:53.450
TO UNDERSTAND. ONE OF THE THE

02:34:53.517 --> 02:34:55.285
PIECES OF FEEDBACK THAT WE

02:34:55.352 --> 02:34:56.420
CONTINUALLY GET IS THAT THERE'S

02:34:56.487 --> 02:34:58.088
TOO MANY DIFFERENT PROGRAMS.

02:34:58.155 --> 02:35:00.257
IT'S TOO CONFUSING. AND IT

02:35:00.324 --> 02:35:02.426
TAKES, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF

02:35:02.493 --> 02:35:04.561
EDUCATION TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND

02:35:04.628 --> 02:35:07.097
WHAT YOU'RE EVEN ELIGIBLE FOR.

02:35:07.164 --> 02:35:10.701
AND MY SMALL ANECDOTE IS MY

02:35:10.768 --> 02:35:12.503
MOTHER LIVES IN A DISADVANTAGED

02:35:12.569 --> 02:35:14.638
COMMUNITY. SHE WAS ELIGIBLE FOR

02:35:14.705 --> 02:35:16.874
ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES. I'M THE

02:35:16.940 --> 02:35:17.941
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE

02:35:18.008 --> 02:35:19.376
CALIFORNIA ELECTRIC

02:35:19.443 --> 02:35:21.211
TRANSPORTATION COALITION, AND I

02:35:21.278 --> 02:35:22.780
HAD A HECK OF A TIME TRYING TO

02:35:22.846 --> 02:35:24.581
FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS

02:35:24.648 --> 02:35:26.917
ELIGIBLE FOR, AND DID HAVE TO

02:35:26.984 --> 02:35:28.752
RELY ON OTHER EXPERTS TO HELP.

02:35:28.819 --> 02:35:30.688
SO THE EXTENT WE CAN CONTINUE

02:35:30.754 --> 02:35:32.790
TO MAKE THEM STREAMLINED, EASY

02:35:32.856 --> 02:35:34.658
TO UNDERSTAND, THAT RESONATES

02:35:34.725 --> 02:35:36.994
WITH CUSTOMERS. THE AUTOMAKER

02:35:37.061 --> 02:35:38.095
MATCH. I DON'T THINK WE'VE

02:35:38.162 --> 02:35:39.863
REALLY GIVEN ENOUGH ATTENTION

02:35:39.930 --> 02:35:42.066
TO THAT TODAY, BUT THAT IS A

02:35:42.132 --> 02:35:43.901
REALLY CRITICAL PART OF THAT

02:35:43.967 --> 02:35:45.302
PROGRAM BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE

02:35:45.369 --> 02:35:46.770
PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND

02:35:46.837 --> 02:35:48.472
THE AUTOMAKERS WERE PUTTING IN

02:35:48.539 --> 02:35:49.673
MONEY TO HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE

02:35:49.740 --> 02:35:51.475
GAME AND TO SUPPORT THIS

02:35:51.542 --> 02:35:53.544
PROGRAM AND TO THE IF WE CAN

02:35:53.610 --> 02:35:55.079
REPLICATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE

02:35:55.145 --> 02:35:56.647
HAVE MORE FUNDING. I SAW

02:35:56.714 --> 02:35:57.715
SOMETHING COMING OUT FROM THE

02:35:57.781 --> 02:35:59.283
GOVERNOR'S OFFICE TODAY THAT IT

02:35:59.349 --> 02:36:00.984
LOOKS LIKE OUR NUMBERS MIGHT BE

02:36:01.051 --> 02:36:02.186
A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN

02:36:02.252 --> 02:36:04.021
EXPECTED. CONTINUE THE MY FIRST

02:36:04.088 --> 02:36:06.156
EV PROGRAM WITH ADDITIONAL

02:36:06.223 --> 02:36:07.624
FUNDS AND KEEP THAT MOMENTUM

02:36:07.691 --> 02:36:09.693
GOING. OKAY. SECOND POINT I

02:36:09.760 --> 02:36:10.861
WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, WE'VE ALL

02:36:10.928 --> 02:36:12.996
TALKED A LOT ABOUT MULTIFAMILY

02:36:13.063 --> 02:36:15.165
HOUSING. IT IS CRITICALLY

02:36:15.232 --> 02:36:16.867
IMPORTANT. CHAIR SCHIAVO, I WAS

02:36:16.934 --> 02:36:18.235
ON YOUR HEARING LAST YEAR WHEN

02:36:18.302 --> 02:36:19.503
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE

02:36:19.570 --> 02:36:21.305
DEBATED ABOUT LEVEL ONE, LEVEL

02:36:21.371 --> 02:36:24.908
TWO, DC FAST CHARGING, I THINK,

02:36:24.975 --> 02:36:27.778
TO THE POINTS THAT WE'VE ALL

02:36:27.845 --> 02:36:29.213
MADE, WE NEED ALL OF THOSE

02:36:29.279 --> 02:36:30.981
DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS. AND ONE

02:36:31.048 --> 02:36:32.816
SOLUTION IS NOT GOING TO WORK

02:36:32.883 --> 02:36:35.285
FOR EVERY CUSTOMER. BUT WHAT IS

02:36:35.352 --> 02:36:36.854
SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT IS WE

02:36:36.920 --> 02:36:39.189
HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO ALLOW

02:36:39.256 --> 02:36:40.657
CUSTOMERS TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE

02:36:40.724 --> 02:36:44.228
AT NEAR UTILITY RATES. AND TO

02:36:44.294 --> 02:36:46.130
THE POINT THAT TIM JUST MADE,

02:36:46.196 --> 02:36:49.266
IS THAT WE CANNOT FURTHER

02:36:49.333 --> 02:36:50.434
DISADVANTAGE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE

02:36:50.501 --> 02:36:52.870
LIVING IN MULTIFAMILY HOUSING

02:36:52.936 --> 02:36:55.506
BY NOT ALLOWING THEM TO CHARGE

02:36:55.572 --> 02:36:57.608
AT RATES THAT ARE MORE EQUAL TO

02:36:57.674 --> 02:36:59.710
WHAT THE REST OF US ARE PAYING.

02:36:59.777 --> 02:37:01.512
AND SO ONE THING THAT WE COULD

02:37:01.578 --> 02:37:05.449
DO IN, IN THAT REGARD IS REALLY

02:37:05.516 --> 02:37:08.051
TO SEND CLEAR DIRECTION TO THE

02:37:08.118 --> 02:37:10.487
STATE AGENCIES THAT WE NEED TO

02:37:10.554 --> 02:37:12.322
PRIORITIZE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

02:37:12.389 --> 02:37:14.458
AND I THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD

02:37:14.525 --> 02:37:15.659
FROM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR

02:37:15.726 --> 02:37:17.461
STATE AGENCIES TODAY THAT THAT

02:37:17.528 --> 02:37:19.530
IS A PRIORITY, BUT MAYBE HAVE A

02:37:19.596 --> 02:37:21.265
CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE

02:37:21.331 --> 02:37:22.733
LEGISLATURE OR FROM AN

02:37:22.800 --> 02:37:24.835
EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WOULD JUST

02:37:24.902 --> 02:37:26.703
SAY THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HELP

02:37:26.770 --> 02:37:28.105
RESIDENTS CHARGE WHERE THEY

02:37:28.172 --> 02:37:31.341
LIVE AT NEAR UTILITY RATES.

02:37:31.408 --> 02:37:33.177
OKAY. THIRD THIRD

02:37:33.243 --> 02:37:34.978
RECOMMENDATION IS MAKE BETTER

02:37:35.045 --> 02:37:36.847
USE OF THE ELECTRIC GRID. AND

02:37:36.914 --> 02:37:39.283
BY THAT, I MEAN VEHICLE GRID

02:37:39.349 --> 02:37:41.451
INTEGRATION, NOT ONLY BI

02:37:41.518 --> 02:37:42.886
DIRECTIONAL CHARGING, BUT

02:37:42.953 --> 02:37:44.688
VEHICLE GRID INTEGRATION AND

02:37:44.755 --> 02:37:46.123
VEHICLE GRID INTEGRATION IN THE

02:37:46.190 --> 02:37:47.925
WAY WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT

02:37:47.991 --> 02:37:49.760
INCLUDES VEHICLE TO HOME. AS

02:37:49.827 --> 02:37:50.994
SPENCER TALKED ABOUT EARLIER,

02:37:51.061 --> 02:37:53.397
THE CDC IS DOING A WORKSHOP ON

02:37:53.463 --> 02:37:56.200
THAT COMING UP IN A FEW WEEKS.

02:37:56.266 --> 02:37:59.102
VEHICLE TO BUILDING, MANAGE

02:37:59.169 --> 02:38:00.904
CHARGING AND DEMAND RESPONSE

02:38:00.971 --> 02:38:03.106
AND BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGING.

02:38:03.173 --> 02:38:04.308
THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT FLAVORS

02:38:04.374 --> 02:38:06.610
OF WHAT VEHICLE GRID

02:38:06.677 --> 02:38:08.445
INTEGRATION CAN LOOK LIKE. AND

02:38:08.512 --> 02:38:10.948
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CHALLENGES

02:38:11.014 --> 02:38:15.986
WITH THE COSTS OF THE EQUIPMENT,

02:38:16.053 --> 02:38:17.788
LACK OF STANDARDIZATION, MANY

02:38:17.855 --> 02:38:19.590
DIFFERENT REASONS WHY

02:38:19.656 --> 02:38:21.458
BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGING HAS BEEN

02:38:21.525 --> 02:38:25.028
SLOWER TO LAUNCH. AND SO FOR

02:38:25.095 --> 02:38:26.830
WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR

02:38:26.897 --> 02:38:27.998
VEHICLE GRID INTEGRATION AND

02:38:28.065 --> 02:38:30.834
WHAT COULD BE DONE IS IF THE

02:38:30.901 --> 02:38:32.202
GOVERNOR COULD ISSUE AN

02:38:32.269 --> 02:38:33.770
EXECUTIVE ORDER OR HOWEVER WE

02:38:33.837 --> 02:38:35.839
WANTED TO HANDLE IT, THE

02:38:35.906 --> 02:38:37.241
LEGISLATURE COULD ENCOURAGE THE

02:38:37.307 --> 02:38:38.675
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION TO

02:38:38.742 --> 02:38:40.110
REALLY WORK WITH THE INVESTOR

02:38:40.177 --> 02:38:42.980
OWNED UTILITIES TO APPROVE OR

02:38:43.046 --> 02:38:44.481
MODIFY THEIR PLANS FOR VEHICLE

02:38:44.548 --> 02:38:46.617
GRID INTEGRATION, BECAUSE THAT

02:38:46.683 --> 02:38:48.418
IS REALLY A PLACE WHERE WE CAN

02:38:48.485 --> 02:38:50.921
MAKE LEAPS AND BOUNDS. THE IOUS

02:38:50.988 --> 02:38:53.090
ARE IN A GOOD PLACE TO SUPPORT.

02:38:53.156 --> 02:38:54.892
THEY NEED TO BE ALLOWED TO DO

02:38:54.958 --> 02:38:57.394
SO. AND THEN LASTLY, AND I WILL

02:38:57.461 --> 02:38:59.963
CLOSE WITH THIS, PLEASE

02:39:00.030 --> 02:39:00.998
CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE LOW

02:39:01.064 --> 02:39:02.532
CARBON FUEL STANDARD. AND IF

02:39:02.599 --> 02:39:04.968
THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT

02:39:05.035 --> 02:39:07.137
THE CLEAN FUEL REWARD, THE NEW

02:39:07.204 --> 02:39:08.906
PROGRAM. I DO HAVE SOME

02:39:08.972 --> 02:39:09.973
STATISTICS IF FOLKS ARE

02:39:10.040 --> 02:39:11.074
INTERESTED. I WANT TO RESPECT

02:39:11.141 --> 02:39:13.610
YOUR TIME, BUT PLEASE DO

02:39:13.677 --> 02:39:15.512
CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE LCFS.

02:39:15.579 --> 02:39:17.547
IT IS AN ESSENTIAL TOOL FOR

02:39:17.614 --> 02:39:20.450
FUNDING IN THIS AREA. THANK YOU.

02:39:20.517 --> 02:39:22.986
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AND

02:39:23.053 --> 02:39:24.922
LAST, WE HAVE CRAIG SIEGEL FROM

02:39:24.988 --> 02:39:26.223
A SENIOR ADVISOR FOR THE

02:39:26.290 --> 02:39:27.724
FEDERATION OF AMERICAN

02:39:27.791 --> 02:39:28.659
SCIENTISTS. WELCOME. THANKS FOR

02:39:28.725 --> 02:39:30.060
HAVING ME. AND I'M AWARE I'M

02:39:30.127 --> 02:39:31.995
THE CLOSER. SO I WILL I WILL

02:39:32.062 --> 02:39:33.430
TRY THE TLDR VERSION OF THIS.

02:39:33.497 --> 02:39:35.966
SAM HAS MY UNNECESSARILY PROLIX

02:39:36.033 --> 02:39:37.367
TESTIMONY. PLEASE ENJOY IT IF

02:39:37.434 --> 02:39:39.136
YOU'D LIKE, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU

02:39:39.202 --> 02:39:40.270
THE SHORT VERSION. AND I SHOULD

02:39:40.337 --> 02:39:42.406
SAY I'M BOTH A SENIOR ADVISOR

02:39:42.472 --> 02:39:44.241
TO PFAS AT THEIR NEW CENTER FOR

02:39:44.308 --> 02:39:45.642
REGULATORY INGENUITY AND

02:39:45.709 --> 02:39:47.077
SOMEHOW SENIOR ADVISOR TO UC

02:39:47.144 --> 02:39:48.178
BERKELEY'S CENTER AND LAW,

02:39:48.245 --> 02:39:50.013
ECONOMY AND ENVIRONMENT, AND A

02:39:50.080 --> 02:39:52.049
SENIOR ADVISOR TO BOTH OUR OLAF

02:39:52.115 --> 02:39:53.417
AND CALIFORNIA FORWARDS EFFORTS.

02:39:53.483 --> 02:39:54.384
AND NONE OF THEM ARE

02:39:54.451 --> 02:39:56.153
RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OPINIONS. I

02:39:56.219 --> 02:39:57.387
WILL ALSO SAY I USED TO GET TO

02:39:57.454 --> 02:39:59.389
DO MORE WORK WITH UCLA AND THEY

02:39:59.456 --> 02:40:01.325
ARE GREAT. I'M GLAD TO BE HERE.

02:40:01.391 --> 02:40:03.327
SO I THINK WHAT I WANT TO DO IS

02:40:03.393 --> 02:40:04.461
TALK ABOUT SOME CONCRETE

02:40:04.528 --> 02:40:05.429
SUGGESTIONS IN BOTH

02:40:05.495 --> 02:40:07.331
AFFORDABILITY AND JOBS. AND I'M

02:40:07.397 --> 02:40:09.366
GOING TO START BY FRAMING THIS

02:40:09.433 --> 02:40:11.335
FUNDAMENTALLY AS AN ECONOMIC

02:40:11.401 --> 02:40:13.003
AND INDUSTRIAL POLICY PROBLEM.

02:40:13.070 --> 02:40:15.172
WE ARE IN THE FASCINATING

02:40:15.238 --> 02:40:16.006
HISTORICAL SITUATION, WHICH

02:40:16.073 --> 02:40:17.741
ANNE'S BOOK DISCUSSES, WHERE

02:40:17.808 --> 02:40:19.142
WE'VE BEEN RUNNING AN ECONOMIC

02:40:19.209 --> 02:40:20.577
TRANSITION THROUGH OUR ER

02:40:20.644 --> 02:40:22.045
AGENCIES USING, ODDLY,

02:40:22.112 --> 02:40:23.146
PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON'S

02:40:23.213 --> 02:40:25.615
ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS. IT IS 2026.

02:40:25.682 --> 02:40:27.084
THIS IS A LARGE SCALE GLOBAL

02:40:27.150 --> 02:40:28.518
ECONOMIC TRANSITION. THERE ARE

02:40:28.585 --> 02:40:30.620
MANY MORE TOOLS WE CAN PUT ON

02:40:30.687 --> 02:40:32.489
THE TABLE NOW, ESPECIALLY IN

02:40:32.556 --> 02:40:35.325
THE CONTEXT OF GLOBALLY

02:40:35.392 --> 02:40:36.793
AFFORDABLE EVS, FAR MORE

02:40:36.860 --> 02:40:37.794
AFFORDABLE GLOBALLY THAN THEY

02:40:37.861 --> 02:40:39.363
ARE IN CALIFORNIA OR THE US FOR

02:40:39.429 --> 02:40:41.131
BOTH CARS AND TRUCKS AND A

02:40:41.198 --> 02:40:42.566
GLOBAL DIESEL FUEL CRISIS. AND

02:40:42.632 --> 02:40:44.167
WE JUST SAW, I THINK, 16

02:40:44.234 --> 02:40:45.435
TRUCKING FIRMS DECLARE

02:40:45.502 --> 02:40:46.536
BANKRUPTCY IN LIKE THE LAST

02:40:46.603 --> 02:40:49.006
MONTH. WE'VE JUST HEARD THE

02:40:49.072 --> 02:40:50.007
ENORMOUS SQUEEZE THAT PEOPLE

02:40:50.073 --> 02:40:51.541
ARE FACING IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL

02:40:51.608 --> 02:40:53.310
BUDGETS. AND WE JUST HAD THE

02:40:53.377 --> 02:40:54.444
LEGISLATURE PASS. AND THANK YOU.

02:40:54.511 --> 02:40:56.246
LAST YEAR, SB 1213, WHICH IS

02:40:56.313 --> 02:40:57.381
THIS FIRST EFFORT AT GETTING

02:40:57.447 --> 02:40:59.082
PRICE TRANSPARENCY AND FINANCE

02:40:59.149 --> 02:41:00.917
ABILITY INTO THESE MARKETS. SO

02:41:00.984 --> 02:41:02.686
I THINK THERE'S A PLATFORM THAT

02:41:02.753 --> 02:41:04.121
COMBINES THESE THINGS. AND WHAT

02:41:04.187 --> 02:41:05.322
I'LL SAY IS, THE WAY I THINK

02:41:05.389 --> 02:41:07.524
ABOUT THIS PROBLEM IS WE TEND

02:41:07.591 --> 02:41:09.459
TO FRAME THIS AS WHAT CAN THE

02:41:09.526 --> 02:41:10.627
INCENTIVES DO AND WHAT CAN THE

02:41:10.694 --> 02:41:12.396
REGULATIONS DO? AND A WAY,

02:41:12.462 --> 02:41:13.497
ANOTHER WAY OF THINKING ABOUT

02:41:13.563 --> 02:41:14.931
THIS THAT CHRIS GRUNDLER, MY

02:41:14.998 --> 02:41:17.100
MUCH BETTER SUCCESSOR AT CARB,

02:41:17.167 --> 02:41:20.037
TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IS AS A

02:41:20.103 --> 02:41:21.772
CAPEX AND INDUSTRY BEHAVIOR

02:41:21.838 --> 02:41:23.507
PROBLEM. ONE WAY OF THINKING

02:41:23.573 --> 02:41:24.708
ABOUT THAT IS WHO'S MAKING LONG

02:41:24.775 --> 02:41:25.876
TERM INVESTMENTS. SENATOR STERN

02:41:25.942 --> 02:41:27.878
GOT AT THIS, AS DID OTHERS.

02:41:27.944 --> 02:41:29.679
ANOTHER WAY OF DOING THIS IS

02:41:29.746 --> 02:41:30.781
THINKING ABOUT PRICING AND

02:41:30.847 --> 02:41:31.782
INVESTMENTS AND SEEING THAT

02:41:31.848 --> 02:41:33.083
THERE'S BEEN THE SHARED PROBLEM

02:41:33.150 --> 02:41:34.985
IN THE MARKET OF PERSISTENTLY

02:41:35.052 --> 02:41:37.254
HIGH PRICES. FOR INSTANCE, IN

02:41:37.320 --> 02:41:38.321
CALIFORNIA, WE SAW ZERO

02:41:38.388 --> 02:41:40.223
EMISSION TRUCK PRICES GO UP 30%

02:41:40.290 --> 02:41:41.925
AS THEY FELL 30% IN EUROPE AS

02:41:41.992 --> 02:41:43.727
WE PUT REGULATIONS IN PLACE.

02:41:43.794 --> 02:41:44.961
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THOSE PRICES

02:41:45.028 --> 02:41:46.663
HAVE LARGELY BEEN SECRET FOR

02:41:46.730 --> 02:41:48.432
TRUCKS. MANY OF THEM ARE UNDER

02:41:48.498 --> 02:41:49.499
NDA, AND IT'S A HYPER

02:41:49.566 --> 02:41:52.369
CONCENTRATED MARKET FOR BUSSES.

02:41:52.436 --> 02:41:54.571
NOTED LIBERAL STALWARTS. THE

02:41:54.638 --> 02:41:55.972
AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE,

02:41:56.039 --> 02:41:57.074
ALONG WITH BROOKINGS, PUT OUT A

02:41:57.140 --> 02:41:58.875
STUDY SHOWING THAT PUBLIC

02:41:58.942 --> 02:42:00.010
BUSSES HAVE STAYED AT A HALF

02:42:00.077 --> 02:42:01.344
MILLION DOLLARS, AND THERE ARE

02:42:01.411 --> 02:42:03.013
ONLY TWO COMPANIES IN THAT

02:42:03.080 --> 02:42:05.048
MARKET FOR PASSENGER CARS. WE

02:42:05.115 --> 02:42:06.416
SEE SOME OF THE HIGHEST RATES

02:42:06.483 --> 02:42:07.717
FOR LOANS FOR EVS, EVEN THOUGH

02:42:07.784 --> 02:42:08.585
THEY HAVE THE LOWEST

02:42:08.652 --> 02:42:10.020
DELINQUENCY RATES. OVER AND

02:42:10.087 --> 02:42:11.455
OVER AND OVER, WE SEE

02:42:11.521 --> 02:42:13.256
STRATEGIES, ESPECIALLY IN OUR

02:42:13.323 --> 02:42:14.724
MARKET, WHERE FOLKS PRICE EVS

02:42:14.791 --> 02:42:16.893
AS BOUTIQUE NICHE PRODUCTS.

02:42:16.960 --> 02:42:17.994
THEY DON'T SELL THEM FOR

02:42:18.061 --> 02:42:18.662
ORDINARY PEOPLE. IT'S LIKE

02:42:18.728 --> 02:42:20.230
TESLA'S IN MARIN RATHER THAN

02:42:20.297 --> 02:42:21.565
TRUCKS AND IMPERIAL. THAT IS A

02:42:21.631 --> 02:42:23.333
HUGE PROBLEM. AND WE DON'T SEE

02:42:23.400 --> 02:42:24.768
PRICES FALLING THE WAY THEY

02:42:24.835 --> 02:42:25.836
WOULD IN A TRANSPARENT,

02:42:25.902 --> 02:42:27.671
COMPETITIVE MARKET. NOR DO WE

02:42:27.737 --> 02:42:29.806
SEE SUFFICIENT MANUFACTURING OR

02:42:29.873 --> 02:42:31.074
COMPETITION IN OUR OWN MARKET.

02:42:31.141 --> 02:42:33.076
SO WE KEEP THAT HYPER

02:42:33.143 --> 02:42:34.144
CONCENTRATION. SO I THINK THE

02:42:34.211 --> 02:42:35.378
QUESTIONS ARE NOW NOT, YOU KNOW,

02:42:35.445 --> 02:42:37.314
WHAT CAN WE DO IN 29? BUT FROM

02:42:37.380 --> 02:42:39.082
A, YOU KNOW, DON'T MOURN,

02:42:39.149 --> 02:42:40.083
ORGANIZE PERSPECTIVE. WHAT CAN

02:42:40.150 --> 02:42:41.751
YOU DO IN. 27 SOME THOUGHTS

02:42:41.818 --> 02:42:44.554
HERE. FIRST, I THINK LOOKING AT

02:42:44.621 --> 02:42:45.922
1213 AND WHAT THAT SETS UP,

02:42:45.989 --> 02:42:47.124
WHICH IS BASICALLY TRANSPARENT

02:42:47.190 --> 02:42:48.225
PRICING, IF YOU TAKE STATE

02:42:48.291 --> 02:42:50.026
DOLLARS, A MARKET MONITOR AND A

02:42:50.093 --> 02:42:51.795
REQUEST TO THE EYE BANK TO

02:42:51.862 --> 02:42:52.896
START FIGURING OUT CLEVER

02:42:52.963 --> 02:42:54.631
FINANCING TOOLS, HOW DO YOU

02:42:54.698 --> 02:42:55.732
SURGE CAPITAL INTO A MARKET

02:42:55.799 --> 02:42:56.800
WHERE RIGHT NOW, LET'S JUST

02:42:56.867 --> 02:42:58.268
FOCUS ON TRUCKS. YOU HAVE

02:42:58.335 --> 02:42:59.336
THOUSANDS OF SMALL TRUCKERS

02:42:59.402 --> 02:43:01.271
LIKE 19 K BETWEEN PORTS OF LONG

02:43:01.338 --> 02:43:02.973
BEACH AND LA AND WEST OAKLAND,

02:43:03.039 --> 02:43:04.841
JUST TO START MAYBE 30 K OR SO

02:43:04.908 --> 02:43:06.576
IN STATEWIDE TRUCKS WHO ARE NOW

02:43:06.643 --> 02:43:07.911
JUST BEING HAMMERED. THEY'RE

02:43:07.978 --> 02:43:09.779
CAUGHT BETWEEN GIANT SHIPPERS,

02:43:09.846 --> 02:43:11.581
HUGE GIANT TRUCK COMPANIES THAT

02:43:11.648 --> 02:43:13.583
HAVE HIGH PRICES, INCREDIBLY

02:43:13.650 --> 02:43:15.318
HIGH DIESEL PRICES. THOSE FOLKS,

02:43:15.385 --> 02:43:16.953
WE CAN'T BUY THEM ALL A TRUCK.

02:43:17.020 --> 02:43:18.522
THINK WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT THE

02:43:18.588 --> 02:43:19.489
STATE'S PIONEERING INCENTIVE

02:43:19.556 --> 02:43:20.991
PROGRAMS. THIS ISN'T A PROBLEM

02:43:21.057 --> 02:43:22.893
OF FINDING THE MONEY FOR 30,000

02:43:22.959 --> 02:43:24.528
TRUCKS OUT OF OUR EVER STRAINED

02:43:24.594 --> 02:43:26.329
BUDGET. IT'S HOW DO YOU GET

02:43:26.396 --> 02:43:27.764
PRIVATE CAPITAL INTO THIS

02:43:27.831 --> 02:43:28.632
MARKET? AND WHAT I WANT TO

02:43:28.698 --> 02:43:30.734
REALLY EMPHASIZE IS PEOPLE WANT

02:43:30.800 --> 02:43:32.402
TO MAKE THOSE LOANS. THAT HAS

02:43:32.469 --> 02:43:33.503
BEEN AN INFORMATION PROBLEM.

02:43:33.570 --> 02:43:35.338
JUST CONCRETELY, MOST BANKS

02:43:35.405 --> 02:43:37.140
DON'T KNOW THE VALUE OF A USED

02:43:37.207 --> 02:43:38.875
EV TRUCK. SO IT'S REALLY HARD

02:43:38.942 --> 02:43:40.076
TO WRITE A LOAN BECAUSE YOU

02:43:40.143 --> 02:43:41.244
DON'T KNOW THE COLLATERAL VALUE

02:43:41.311 --> 02:43:42.879
OR THE RESIDUAL VALUE. THERE'S

02:43:42.946 --> 02:43:44.047
VERY GOOD DATA OUT OF EUROPE

02:43:44.114 --> 02:43:45.882
THAT SUGGESTS THAT IF YOU JUST

02:43:45.949 --> 02:43:46.983
GUARANTEE THOSE LOANS AND BEAR

02:43:47.050 --> 02:43:48.118
IN MIND, PUBLIC MONEY MOSTLY

02:43:48.185 --> 02:43:49.219
DOESN'T PAY OUT BECAUSE MOSTLY

02:43:49.286 --> 02:43:51.555
THESE ARE HIGH VALUE. THAT'S A

02:43:51.621 --> 02:43:53.356
25 TO 1 LEVERAGE RATIO. MAYBE

02:43:53.423 --> 02:43:54.991
THAT'S OFF BY A FACTOR OF TWO.

02:43:55.058 --> 02:43:57.060
MAYBE IT'S 10 TO 1. BUT THAT'S

02:43:57.127 --> 02:43:58.228
AT A STAGE WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT

02:43:58.295 --> 02:43:59.996
THE NUMBERS BETWEEN THAT AND

02:44:00.063 --> 02:44:00.997
THE PRICE TRANSPARENCY AND

02:44:01.064 --> 02:44:01.498
DOWNWARD PRESSURE, WE'RE

02:44:01.565 --> 02:44:02.999
ALREADY SEEING FROM THINGS LIKE

02:44:03.066 --> 02:44:04.100
THE TESLA SEMI, YOU COULD

02:44:04.167 --> 02:44:07.003
EASILY TURN OVER 19,000 TRUCKS

02:44:07.070 --> 02:44:08.104
AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

02:44:08.171 --> 02:44:09.105
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, MAYBE

02:44:09.172 --> 02:44:10.607
TENS OF MILLIONS IN PARTNERSHIP

02:44:10.674 --> 02:44:12.275
WITH THE BANKS. IF YOU CAN

02:44:12.342 --> 02:44:13.843
GUARANTEE THOSE LOANS, THAT'S

02:44:13.910 --> 02:44:15.912
NEW. SO I LOVE, YOU KNOW, MY

02:44:15.979 --> 02:44:17.080
FIRST EV PROGRAM FOR CARS. I'D

02:44:17.147 --> 02:44:18.915
LOVE TO SEE MY FIRST ELECTRIC

02:44:18.982 --> 02:44:20.717
TRUCK PROGRAM THAT'S ABOUT

02:44:20.784 --> 02:44:22.152
CREDIT, NOT MORE AND MORE STATE

02:44:22.219 --> 02:44:23.920
MONEY, BUT GRADUATING THE

02:44:23.987 --> 02:44:25.689
MARKET FROM ITS BIRTH, THE

02:44:25.755 --> 02:44:27.490
CALIFORNIA CREATED INTO JUST A

02:44:27.557 --> 02:44:28.558
COMMERCIAL MARKET WHERE IT'S AS

02:44:28.625 --> 02:44:30.493
EASY TO GET A TRUCK LOAN AND

02:44:30.560 --> 02:44:31.728
GET OUT OF YOUR NOW VERY HIGH

02:44:31.795 --> 02:44:33.496
COST, HARD TO MAINTAIN DIESEL

02:44:33.563 --> 02:44:34.664
FLEET TO THE NUMBERS YOU WERE

02:44:34.731 --> 02:44:35.699
CITING INTO. HERE'S YOUR

02:44:35.765 --> 02:44:36.900
ELECTRIC TRUCK. YOU'RE A SMALL

02:44:36.967 --> 02:44:38.301
BUSINESS. WE'LL BACK THAT

02:44:38.368 --> 02:44:39.636
CREDIT. WE PROBABLY WON'T PAY

02:44:39.703 --> 02:44:40.770
OUT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE

02:44:40.837 --> 02:44:41.972
VALUABLE DOWN THE LINE. MAYBE.

02:44:42.038 --> 02:44:43.807
HECK, WE HAVE TO BE PAID IF

02:44:43.873 --> 02:44:44.975
IT'S MORE VALUABLE THAN WE

02:44:45.041 --> 02:44:46.676
THOUGHT IT WAS. AND THAT

02:44:46.743 --> 02:44:47.677
GUARANTEE, THAT'S A POSSIBLE

02:44:47.744 --> 02:44:48.745
DESIGN. LET'S GO FORTH AND

02:44:48.812 --> 02:44:49.913
BUILD IT. THAT COULD HAPPEN

02:44:49.980 --> 02:44:51.681
NEXT YEAR. IT COULD HAPPEN FAST

02:44:51.748 --> 02:44:53.450
AS A TRUCKER RELIEF PACKAGE. IT

02:44:53.516 --> 02:44:54.517
COULD HAPPEN IN TANDEM WITH

02:44:54.584 --> 02:44:56.119
OTHER STATES. I BANKS UP AND

02:44:56.186 --> 02:44:58.054
DOWN, SAY THE WEST COAST OR OUT

02:44:58.121 --> 02:44:59.923
TO HOUSTON. THAT'S A LOT OF

02:44:59.990 --> 02:45:01.725
CAPITAL. IT COULD BE SITTING IN

02:45:01.791 --> 02:45:02.892
THE CATALYST FUND. YOU KNOW, BY

02:45:02.959 --> 02:45:04.761
NEXT SPRING WE COULD TURN OVER

02:45:04.828 --> 02:45:06.062
THOSE FLEETS. IT WOULD VASTLY

02:45:06.129 --> 02:45:06.963
IMPROVE AIR QUALITY. IT WOULD

02:45:07.030 --> 02:45:08.765
CUT ASTHMA RATES, AND IT WOULD

02:45:08.832 --> 02:45:09.866
REALLY HELP TRUCK DRIVERS. SO

02:45:09.933 --> 02:45:11.801
THAT'S THOUGHT ONE THOUGHT TWO,

02:45:11.868 --> 02:45:13.236
WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN

02:45:13.303 --> 02:45:14.037
PROCUREMENT. WE'RE WORKING

02:45:14.104 --> 02:45:15.338
THROUGH THESE PUBLIC FLEET

02:45:15.405 --> 02:45:16.473
MANDATES. YOU RAISE THOSE.

02:45:16.539 --> 02:45:18.642
CHAIR SCHIAVO WELL, WE DON'T

02:45:18.708 --> 02:45:20.043
ACTUALLY HAVE A STRUCTURED

02:45:20.110 --> 02:45:21.211
PROCUREMENT POLICY AIMED AT

02:45:21.278 --> 02:45:22.946
EITHER LOWERING PRICES FOR THE

02:45:23.013 --> 02:45:24.314
PUBLIC OR INSURING SOME OF

02:45:24.381 --> 02:45:25.482
THOSE VEHICLES ARE MADE IN

02:45:25.548 --> 02:45:26.583
CALIFORNIA AND HENCE PROVIDE

02:45:26.650 --> 02:45:28.018
SOME COMPETITION TO

02:45:28.084 --> 02:45:29.085
MANUFACTURERS WHO PERHAPS HAVE

02:45:29.152 --> 02:45:30.487
BEEN ASSUMING THAT THEY CAN

02:45:30.553 --> 02:45:31.955
ABSORB STATE REBATES AND KEEP

02:45:32.022 --> 02:45:34.190
PRICES HIGH. I WOULD LOVE TO

02:45:34.257 --> 02:45:36.293
SEE THAT HAPPEN. AS AN EXAMPLE,

02:45:36.359 --> 02:45:37.727
MICROSOFT, IKEA, A LOT OF THE

02:45:37.794 --> 02:45:39.129
OTHER BIG FLEETS DID THIS AT

02:45:39.195 --> 02:45:41.698
SCALE PURCHASE JUST LAST MONTH.

02:45:41.765 --> 02:45:43.166
IT'S THE BIGGEST COMBINED

02:45:43.233 --> 02:45:44.567
PROCUREMENT IN HISTORY OF

02:45:44.634 --> 02:45:46.736
ELECTRIC TRUCKS, 2500 TO START,

02:45:46.803 --> 02:45:47.871
10,000 TOTAL OVER THE LIFE OF

02:45:47.937 --> 02:45:49.406
THE PROGRAM, THEN NEGOTIATED

02:45:49.472 --> 02:45:51.408
WITH ALL THE OEMS, THE TRUCK

02:45:51.474 --> 02:45:53.643
MAKERS. THEY ALL BID. THEY

02:45:53.710 --> 02:45:54.978
LOWERED PRICES, I THINK, FROM

02:45:55.045 --> 02:45:56.546
AROUND HALF A MILLION TO MY

02:45:56.613 --> 02:45:57.847
GUESS, WOULD BE ABOUT 250,000

02:45:57.914 --> 02:45:59.349
THROUGH THAT VOLUME, AND

02:45:59.416 --> 02:46:01.117
THEY'LL DOUBLE THE NATIONAL EV

02:46:01.184 --> 02:46:02.886
TRUCK POPULATION. CALIFORNIA

02:46:02.952 --> 02:46:05.088
COULD DO THAT. AND WITH OUR OWN

02:46:05.155 --> 02:46:06.289
PROCUREMENT, WE COULD ALSO

02:46:06.356 --> 02:46:07.991
SCALE IN MORE CAPITAL. MAYBE WE

02:46:08.058 --> 02:46:09.759
DO LEASE TO OWN FOR PRIVATE

02:46:09.826 --> 02:46:11.528
FLEETS. HUGE THING. LAST THING

02:46:11.594 --> 02:46:13.763
I'LL SAY IS IT'S WORTH THINKING

02:46:13.830 --> 02:46:15.532
ABOUT DIRECT JOB INVESTMENTS.

02:46:15.598 --> 02:46:17.133
AND THIS IS THE LAST PIECE I

02:46:17.200 --> 02:46:18.501
MAKE. WE'VE SPENT BILLIONS ON

02:46:18.568 --> 02:46:19.869
BUYING TRUCKS FOR PEOPLE AND

02:46:19.936 --> 02:46:21.538
CARS TOO. WE'VE SPENT, AS FAR

02:46:21.604 --> 02:46:22.839
AS I CAN TELL, ABOUT 20 MILLION

02:46:22.906 --> 02:46:25.241
SINCE 2017 THROUGH CALSEED ON

02:46:25.308 --> 02:46:27.310
ONSHORING. THAT IS JUST NOT A

02:46:27.377 --> 02:46:28.478
GREAT RATIO FOR US. WE'VE GOT

02:46:28.545 --> 02:46:30.313
LIKE A $7 BILLION ANNUAL TRADE

02:46:30.380 --> 02:46:31.715
DEFICIT ON BATTERIES. ARE WE

02:46:31.781 --> 02:46:33.383
GOING TO MAKE EVERY BATTERY IN

02:46:33.450 --> 02:46:34.517
THE WORLD, EVERY TRUCK? NO. DO

02:46:34.584 --> 02:46:36.386
I THINK GO BIZ AND OTHERS

02:46:36.453 --> 02:46:37.454
SHOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND

02:46:37.520 --> 02:46:38.688
SOME FUNDS TO GET PEOPLE ACROSS

02:46:38.755 --> 02:46:40.490
THE VALLEY OF DEATH AND MAYBE

02:46:40.557 --> 02:46:42.359
TAKE AN UPSIDE SHARE IF THEY DO

02:46:42.425 --> 02:46:43.593
WELL, AS WE DID NOT DO WITH

02:46:43.660 --> 02:46:45.495
TESLA. YES. SO I THINK THAT

02:46:45.562 --> 02:46:47.397
WOULD BE WHAT I WHERE I WOULD

02:46:47.464 --> 02:46:48.365
START NEXT YEAR. CREDIT

02:46:48.431 --> 02:46:49.366
PROCUREMENT FOCUSED AT SCALE,

02:46:49.432 --> 02:46:50.800
MAYBE WITH ALLIED STATES AND

02:46:50.867 --> 02:46:52.168
THINKING REALLY SERIOUSLY ABOUT

02:46:52.235 --> 02:46:53.903
HOW WE BRING THE COMPETITION TO

02:46:53.970 --> 02:46:55.071
BEAR. THAT GIVES PEOPLE BOTH A

02:46:55.138 --> 02:46:56.940
BETTER MARKET AND A STAKE

02:46:57.006 --> 02:46:58.007
DIRECTLY IN THIS INDUSTRY AT

02:46:58.074 --> 02:46:59.075
HOME, SO THEY CAN SEE

02:46:59.142 --> 02:47:00.944
THEMSELVES NOT JUST IN A CAR,

02:47:01.010 --> 02:47:02.145
BUT IN A JOB, MAKING THOSE

02:47:02.212 --> 02:47:03.913
VEHICLES IN THE LONG TERM FOR

02:47:03.980 --> 02:47:07.684
THEIR FAMILY. OKAY. THANK YOU

02:47:07.751 --> 02:47:10.954
VERY MUCH. SENATOR. DO YOU HAVE

02:47:11.020 --> 02:47:13.223
A I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU

02:47:13.289 --> 02:47:15.125
TO THE PANEL. I'M SORRY I HAVE

02:47:15.191 --> 02:47:16.326
TO LEAVE BEFORE THINGS WRAP UP

02:47:16.393 --> 02:47:18.094
HERE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE IT

02:47:18.161 --> 02:47:20.330
AND NOTED ON YOUR A FEW OF YOUR

02:47:20.397 --> 02:47:21.331
RECOMMENDATIONS. I WOULD LOVE

02:47:21.398 --> 02:47:23.466
TO HEAR. JUST FOR THE RECORD,

02:47:23.533 --> 02:47:24.667
MY STAFF'S GOING TO BE STAYING,

02:47:24.734 --> 02:47:27.504
BUT A LITTLE MORE FROM PERHAPS

02:47:27.570 --> 02:47:31.841
MISS CARLSON OR MR. SIEGEL ON

02:47:31.908 --> 02:47:33.576
ON THE OEMS ASSERTION THAT

02:47:33.643 --> 02:47:35.412
THEY'RE STICKING WITH THEY'RE

02:47:35.478 --> 02:47:36.946
STICKING WITH THE EV FUTURE AND

02:47:37.013 --> 02:47:40.450
SORT OF HOW TO SORT OF WRESTLE

02:47:40.517 --> 02:47:42.252
WITH MR. AUGUSTINE'S TESTIMONY,

02:47:42.318 --> 02:47:43.386
WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATED YOU

02:47:43.453 --> 02:47:45.054
MAKING. BUT I I'M CURIOUS TO

02:47:45.121 --> 02:47:46.156
HAVE YOUR REACTIONS TO THAT,

02:47:46.222 --> 02:47:48.057
AND ALSO A LITTLE MORE ON ISR

02:47:48.124 --> 02:47:49.292
OF WHAT THAT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY

02:47:49.359 --> 02:47:51.060
COULD LOOK LIKE IN BOTH LIGHT

02:47:51.127 --> 02:47:52.362
AND HEAVY. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND

02:47:52.429 --> 02:47:54.063
PRESENTING THAT IN THE RECORD

02:47:54.130 --> 02:47:56.266
FOR THE PANEL, I HATE TO ASK A

02:47:56.332 --> 02:47:57.434
QUESTION AND LEAVE, BUT I HAVE

02:47:57.500 --> 02:47:59.669
A YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE, YEAH, I

02:47:59.736 --> 02:48:01.304
HAVE MY SENIOR COUNSEL HERE AND

02:48:01.371 --> 02:48:02.505
ROSS ELLEN, SO WE'LL LEAVE IT

02:48:02.572 --> 02:48:04.374
TO HIM. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR

02:48:04.441 --> 02:48:06.776
MAKING TIME TODAY. AND KUDOS TO

02:48:06.843 --> 02:48:07.977
YOU, CHIEF HAGEL. YOU'RE STILL

02:48:08.044 --> 02:48:09.779
THE CHIEF AS FAR AS I'M

02:48:09.846 --> 02:48:16.820
CONCERNED. LET ME START WITH

02:48:16.886 --> 02:48:19.355
ISR. AND THE THING I'M GOING TO

02:48:19.422 --> 02:48:20.490
DO IS DIRECT YOU TO A

02:48:20.557 --> 02:48:22.625
PUBLICATION THAT WE ISSUED LAST

02:48:22.692 --> 02:48:25.528
YEAR ON ISR AND ALL THE KIND OF

02:48:25.595 --> 02:48:27.464
LEGAL UPS AND DOWNS AND HOW YOU

02:48:27.530 --> 02:48:29.132
CAN CONSTRUCT THEM. SUPER

02:48:29.199 --> 02:48:30.200
HELPFUL. I'M HAPPY TO SEND IT

02:48:30.266 --> 02:48:33.036
TO YOU. I MEAN, ONE THING TO

02:48:33.102 --> 02:48:34.971
NOTE IS T

02:48:35.038 --> 02:48:36.639
AUTHORITY IS PRETTY CLEAR AND

02:48:36.706 --> 02:48:40.977
IT'S IMPORTANT. IT CAN BE

02:48:41.044 --> 02:48:43.480
RESOURCE INTENSIVE FOR AIR

02:48:43.546 --> 02:48:44.714
DISTRICTS TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT

02:48:44.781 --> 02:48:46.616
AN ISR. AND I THINK ONE OF THE

02:48:46.683 --> 02:48:48.184
THINGS THAT WE MIGHT SEE IS

02:48:48.251 --> 02:48:50.320
THAT CARB MIGHT PROVIDE A LOT

02:48:50.386 --> 02:48:51.354
OF TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. THERE

02:48:51.421 --> 02:48:52.856
ARE WAYS ACTUALLY TO FUND ALSO

02:48:52.922 --> 02:48:56.059
THE COMPLIANCE MECHANISM. SO I

02:48:56.125 --> 02:48:58.628
WILL JUST SAY THAT AND THEN

02:48:58.695 --> 02:48:59.963
TURN YOU TO THIS PUBLICATION,

02:49:00.029 --> 02:49:01.498
WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.

02:49:01.564 --> 02:49:03.666
CAROL HOROWITZ HELPED AUTHOR IT.

02:49:03.733 --> 02:49:05.068
I THINK SHE HAD TO LEAVE, BUT

02:49:05.134 --> 02:49:07.237
WAS IN THE AUDIENCE WITH

02:49:07.303 --> 02:49:08.805
RESPECT TO AUTOMAKERS, I DON'T

02:49:08.872 --> 02:49:10.507
KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE

02:49:10.573 --> 02:49:12.642
OEMS. SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT

02:49:12.709 --> 02:49:14.110
TO THE ELI AND MY ALLIANCE

02:49:14.177 --> 02:49:16.980
FRIEND HERE, YOU KNOW,

02:49:17.046 --> 02:49:20.550
SUPPORTING CONGRESS IN NOT JUST

02:49:20.617 --> 02:49:21.484
GETTING RID OF THE CALIFORNIA

02:49:21.551 --> 02:49:23.386
WAIVER, BUT DOING IT WITH A

02:49:23.453 --> 02:49:26.289
PROCESS THAT, BY ALL ACCOUNTS,

02:49:26.356 --> 02:49:29.893
WAS ILLEGAL, BASICALLY NOT

02:49:29.959 --> 02:49:31.160
CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUTE,

02:49:31.227 --> 02:49:33.162
THE CONGRESSIONAL REVIEW ACT.

02:49:33.229 --> 02:49:34.497
ON A DAY WHEN I WAS ACTUALLY

02:49:34.564 --> 02:49:36.366
MEETING WITH JOHN BOZZELLA AND

02:49:36.432 --> 02:49:38.568
OTHERS IN WASHINGTON, DC, WAS,

02:49:38.635 --> 02:49:40.370
I THOUGHT, KIND OF STUNNING, I

02:49:40.436 --> 02:49:43.606
HAVE TO SAY. AND IT MAKES ME

02:49:43.673 --> 02:49:45.041
QUESTION THE COMMITMENT. I, I

02:49:45.108 --> 02:49:46.142
GET THAT THERE WERE PROBLEMS. I

02:49:46.209 --> 02:49:47.944
DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE

02:49:48.011 --> 02:49:49.712
STATES THAT HAD WITHDRAWN FROM.

02:49:49.779 --> 02:49:51.881
SO 177 STATES THAT HAD

02:49:51.948 --> 02:49:58.788
WITHDRAWN. BUT. I, I DON'T KNOW

02:49:58.855 --> 02:50:00.590
WHAT THE COMMITMENT IS. I MEAN,

02:50:00.657 --> 02:50:01.624
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SEEING, YOU

02:50:01.691 --> 02:50:03.393
KNOW, FORD COMMIT TO A $30,000

02:50:03.459 --> 02:50:05.895
TRUCK. THAT SEEMS GREAT. BUT I

02:50:05.962 --> 02:50:08.097
THINK THE THE, THE EXISTENTIAL

02:50:08.164 --> 02:50:09.899
THREAT TO THE AMERICAN AUTO

02:50:09.966 --> 02:50:11.067
INDUSTRY IS FROM CHINA. CRAIG

02:50:11.134 --> 02:50:13.403
HAS ALREADY ALLUDED TO THE FACT

02:50:13.469 --> 02:50:14.904
THAT THERE ARE HIGH QUALITY,

02:50:14.971 --> 02:50:17.173
LOW COST ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT

02:50:17.240 --> 02:50:18.875
THE REST OF THE THE WORLD IS

02:50:18.942 --> 02:50:21.110
NOW BUYING. AND I DON'T KNOW

02:50:21.177 --> 02:50:24.647
HOW WE GET FROM A WORLD WHERE

02:50:24.714 --> 02:50:26.215
THE PROTECTIONIST. THE UNITED

02:50:26.282 --> 02:50:27.517
STATES IS NOT ALLOWING THOSE

02:50:27.584 --> 02:50:30.053
VEHICLES IN TO. AND MAYBE WE

02:50:30.119 --> 02:50:33.623
HOLD ON LONG ENOUGH THAT THE

02:50:33.690 --> 02:50:35.425
LEGACY AUTO MANUFACTURERS CAN

02:50:35.491 --> 02:50:37.293
COMPETE. BUT I'M WORRIED. I

02:50:37.360 --> 02:50:38.861
DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO SAY

02:50:38.928 --> 02:50:40.196
ABOUT THAT. I THINK CRAIG CAN

02:50:40.263 --> 02:50:41.931
ADD SOME THINGS, BUT I, I, I

02:50:41.998 --> 02:50:45.201
MEAN, I, I THINK WE'RE AT A, AN

02:50:45.268 --> 02:50:46.669
INCREDIBLY CRITICAL JUNCTURE. I

02:50:46.736 --> 02:50:48.705
THINK THE WITHDRAWAL OF

02:50:48.771 --> 02:50:51.641
CONSUMER INCENTIVES AND THE

02:50:51.708 --> 02:50:52.976
COMBINED WITH THE REGULATORY

02:50:53.042 --> 02:50:54.043
PUSH THAT WAS COMING FROM THE

02:50:54.110 --> 02:50:55.778
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS NOT IN

02:50:55.845 --> 02:50:58.848
THE AUTOMAKERS INTEREST. I WISH

02:50:58.915 --> 02:51:00.683
THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION

02:51:00.750 --> 02:51:02.418
COULD HAVE SEEN THAT. I THINK

02:51:02.485 --> 02:51:04.220
WE'VE CEDED UNBELIEVABLE

02:51:04.287 --> 02:51:07.790
LEADERSHIP ON IN AUTO SECTOR TO

02:51:07.857 --> 02:51:09.659
CHINA. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE

02:51:09.726 --> 02:51:12.462
GET BACK TO BEING COMPETITIVE.

02:51:12.528 --> 02:51:13.529
THREE QUICK THOUGHTS. SO MY

02:51:13.596 --> 02:51:15.064
TEAM AT CARB NEGOTIATED BOTH

02:51:15.131 --> 02:51:16.499
THE FRAMEWORK DEALS WITH THE

02:51:16.566 --> 02:51:17.934
CAR DEALER, THE CAR INDUSTRY IN

02:51:18.001 --> 02:51:20.436
2018 2019, AND THE CLEAN TRUCK

02:51:20.503 --> 02:51:22.238
PARTNERSHIP IN THE EARLY 2020S.

02:51:22.305 --> 02:51:23.272
THE INDUSTRY BASICALLY WALKED

02:51:23.339 --> 02:51:24.807
BACK BOTH OF THE DEALS THEY

02:51:24.874 --> 02:51:26.909
MADE AND WALKED AWAY FROM A LOT

02:51:26.976 --> 02:51:28.177
OF THEIR COMMITMENTS. THAT'S

02:51:28.244 --> 02:51:30.179
JUST TRUE, AND THAT'S

02:51:30.246 --> 02:51:31.614
UNFORTUNATE, BOTH IN TERMS OF

02:51:31.681 --> 02:51:32.682
WHETHER YOU CAN TRUST THESE

02:51:32.749 --> 02:51:35.251
FOLKS IS TO BE LONG TERM AT THE

02:51:35.318 --> 02:51:36.319
TABLE, BECAUSE THEY'VE

02:51:36.386 --> 02:51:37.086
DEMONSTRATED THEY WILL NOT BE.

02:51:37.153 --> 02:51:38.821
AND WHEN ADMINISTRATIONS CHANGE

02:51:38.888 --> 02:51:40.456
AND IT'S SELF-IMMOLATION IN THE

02:51:40.523 --> 02:51:41.891
LONG TERM FOR WORKERS AND

02:51:41.958 --> 02:51:43.026
COMMUNITIES, WHICH IS THE REAL

02:51:43.092 --> 02:51:44.127
TRAGEDY BEYOND HOW I FEEL ABOUT

02:51:44.193 --> 02:51:46.362
THOSE DEALS AS FAR AS STATE

02:51:46.429 --> 02:51:48.865
POSTURE ON IT. TWO THOUGHTS.

02:51:48.931 --> 02:51:50.299
FIRST, WE DO HEAR A LOT ABOUT

02:51:50.366 --> 02:51:51.868
ALL THE THINGS THAT THE

02:51:51.934 --> 02:51:52.935
INDUSTRY HOPES FOR FROM THE

02:51:53.002 --> 02:51:55.038
GOVERNMENT. NEPAL IS CURRENTLY

02:51:55.104 --> 02:51:58.508
OVER 70% EVS SALES. SO IS KENYA

02:51:58.574 --> 02:52:00.076
IS HEADING RAPIDLY IN THAT

02:52:00.143 --> 02:52:01.511
DIRECTION. THIS ISN'T A CASE

02:52:01.577 --> 02:52:02.979
WHERE THEY NEED TO DEMAND THIS

02:52:03.046 --> 02:52:03.946
LEVEL OF SUPPORT FROM THE

02:52:04.013 --> 02:52:05.048
WORLD'S FOURTH LARGEST ECONOMY

02:52:05.114 --> 02:52:06.783
TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER. THIS

02:52:06.849 --> 02:52:07.917
IS A CORPORATE FAILING. AND SO

02:52:07.984 --> 02:52:09.786
WHAT DOES ONE DO IN THAT

02:52:09.852 --> 02:52:10.853
SITUATION? ONE FINDS WAYS TO

02:52:10.920 --> 02:52:11.988
MOVE THEM FORWARD WHERE THEY

02:52:12.055 --> 02:52:13.056
CAN, BECAUSE WE CARE DEEPLY

02:52:13.122 --> 02:52:14.791
ABOUT THE WORKERS AND THE

02:52:14.857 --> 02:52:15.958
COMMUNITIES. AND WE DO, IN FACT,

02:52:16.025 --> 02:52:17.160
WANT AN ONSHORE INDUSTRY. AND

02:52:17.226 --> 02:52:18.828
WE ALSO THINK ABOUT WAYS TO

02:52:18.895 --> 02:52:20.029
BRING IN REAL COMPETITION. I

02:52:20.096 --> 02:52:21.264
POINT TO BYD'S LANCASTER

02:52:21.330 --> 02:52:24.500
FACILITY AS UNION. IT COULD BE

02:52:24.567 --> 02:52:25.535
EXPANDED. AND MORE BROADLY, WE

02:52:25.601 --> 02:52:26.803
HAVE A HISTORY IN CALIFORNIA OF

02:52:26.869 --> 02:52:28.237
JOINT VENTURES. NUMMI, WHICH

02:52:28.304 --> 02:52:29.539
BECAME THE TESLA FACILITY,

02:52:29.605 --> 02:52:31.374
ULTIMATELY WAS GM AND TOYOTA

02:52:31.441 --> 02:52:32.842
BROUGHT IN SKILLED TECHNOLOGY

02:52:32.909 --> 02:52:34.243
TRANSFERS, BUILT UP COMPANIES.

02:52:34.310 --> 02:52:35.311
THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING OUR

02:52:35.378 --> 02:52:37.113
EYE BANK FROM SUPPORTING JOINT

02:52:37.180 --> 02:52:38.247
VENTURES TO DO TECHNOLOGY

02:52:38.314 --> 02:52:39.649
TRANSFERS IN THIS COUNTRY WITH

02:52:39.716 --> 02:52:40.850
EXPERIENCED INNOVATORS ABROAD,

02:52:40.917 --> 02:52:42.351
AND MAKING SURE THE INNOVATIONS

02:52:42.418 --> 02:52:43.953
THAT OUR UNIVERSITIES DEVELOP

02:52:44.020 --> 02:52:45.154
ARE THEN TIED TO THE WORKFORCE

02:52:45.221 --> 02:52:46.856
FROM OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES,

02:52:46.923 --> 02:52:48.624
AND THEN BUILDS UP TAX BASES

02:52:48.691 --> 02:52:49.792
HERE. AND I'D THINK ABOUT IT

02:52:49.859 --> 02:52:51.861
THAT WAY, NOT HOW CAN WE PLEAD,

02:52:51.928 --> 02:52:53.429
YOU KNOW, WITH OEMS TO COME TO

02:52:53.496 --> 02:52:54.697
THE TABLE TO PROVIDE LIKE 3000

02:52:54.764 --> 02:52:56.466
BUCKS FOR A CAR? HOW DO WE

02:52:56.532 --> 02:52:57.667
ENSURE THIS IS A COMPETITIVE

02:52:57.734 --> 02:52:59.368
MARKET WHERE THEY FEEL REAL

02:52:59.435 --> 02:52:59.802
PRESSURE FROM THEIR

02:52:59.869 --> 02:53:01.370
SHAREHOLDERS? CAN I JUST ADD

02:53:01.437 --> 02:53:02.505
ONE MORE THOUGHT? AND THAT IS

02:53:02.572 --> 02:53:04.540
THIS IS NOT A CALIFORNIA BASED

02:53:04.607 --> 02:53:05.675
SUGGESTION, BUT WE DO NEED TO

02:53:05.742 --> 02:53:08.010
RETHINK FEDERAL POLICY IN A WAY

02:53:08.077 --> 02:53:09.479
THAT IS GOING TO MAKE IT MORE

02:53:09.545 --> 02:53:11.347
RATIONAL, MORE DURABLE, AND NOT

02:53:11.414 --> 02:53:13.850
SUBJECT TO THE WHIPLASH OF

02:53:13.916 --> 02:53:14.550
ADMINISTRATIONS THAT CHANGE

02:53:14.617 --> 02:53:15.852
EVERY FOUR YEARS. I'M TRYING TO

02:53:15.918 --> 02:53:17.854
DO THAT RIGHT NOW TO THINK HOW

02:53:17.920 --> 02:53:19.021
WE MIGHT DO THAT. BUT I DO

02:53:19.088 --> 02:53:20.857
THINK THAT THAT'S A COMMITMENT

02:53:20.923 --> 02:53:22.091
THAT I THINK THE AUTO INDUSTRY

02:53:22.158 --> 02:53:23.826
WOULD BE INTERESTED IN. I THINK

02:53:23.893 --> 02:53:24.827
CALIFORNIA SHOULD BE INTERESTED

02:53:24.894 --> 02:53:26.028
IN. I THINK CONSUMERS SHOULD BE

02:53:26.095 --> 02:53:27.130
INTERESTED IN THE CURRENT

02:53:27.196 --> 02:53:30.433
POLICY IS NOT WORKING. MR.

02:53:30.500 --> 02:53:31.768
AUGUSTINE, I'M SURE YOU HAVE

02:53:31.834 --> 02:53:33.369
SOME COMMENTS ON THAT. I, I WAS

02:53:33.436 --> 02:53:35.104
GOING TO ASK SOMETHING KIND OF

02:53:35.171 --> 02:53:36.973
ALONG THE SAME LINES AS, YOU

02:53:37.039 --> 02:53:39.375
KNOW, SAU NORWAY, THAT THAT

02:53:39.442 --> 02:53:42.345
THEY ARE, I THINK, 90% EVS. AND

02:53:42.411 --> 02:53:45.148
A FEW YEARS AGO IT WAS TESLA'S.

02:53:45.214 --> 02:53:47.016
AND NOW IT'S A LOT OF THEM ARE

02:53:47.083 --> 02:53:48.751
THE CHINESE VEHICLES. SO HOW

02:53:48.818 --> 02:53:51.654
DOES THIS INDUSTRY STAY

02:53:51.721 --> 02:53:53.456
COMPETITIVE WHEN THAT'S GOING

02:53:53.523 --> 02:53:55.258
ON AROUND THE REST OF THE WORLD?

02:53:55.324 --> 02:53:56.793
AND IF YOU COULD ANSWER ALL

02:53:56.859 --> 02:53:58.528
THESE NO, ALL GREAT QUESTIONS.

02:53:58.594 --> 02:54:00.229
AND, AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH

02:54:00.296 --> 02:54:02.031
SOME OF THE THINGS MISS CARLSON

02:54:02.098 --> 02:54:03.699
SAID. I HOPE THAT DOESN'T

02:54:03.766 --> 02:54:07.870
OFFEND, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK

02:54:07.937 --> 02:54:08.905
FUNDAMENTALLY ON THE ON THE

02:54:08.971 --> 02:54:11.407
FEDERAL POLICY, THE WHIPSAWING

02:54:11.474 --> 02:54:13.009
IS INCREDIBLE. I MEAN, THESE

02:54:13.075 --> 02:54:14.944
THESE ARE LONG TERM INVESTMENTS.

02:54:15.011 --> 02:54:17.180
I MEAN, IT'S THE WHETHER IT'S

02:54:17.246 --> 02:54:18.915
AN EV OR A GASOLINE POWERED CAR,

02:54:18.981 --> 02:54:20.550
THE DEVELOPMENT CYCLES ARE 3 TO

02:54:20.616 --> 02:54:22.618
7 YEARS. SO CHANGING THE POLICY

02:54:22.685 --> 02:54:24.520
EVERY 3 TO 4 YEARS IN A SEVEN

02:54:24.587 --> 02:54:25.855
YEAR DEVELOPMENT CYCLE IS

02:54:25.922 --> 02:54:27.990
IMPOSSIBLE. AND IT'S QUITE

02:54:28.057 --> 02:54:30.893
CHALLENGING. THERE IS AN

02:54:30.960 --> 02:54:32.395
EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THE EV

02:54:32.461 --> 02:54:34.130
MARKET OF THE UNITED STATES.

02:54:34.197 --> 02:54:35.531
AND PEOPLE DO WONDER, WHY ARE

02:54:35.598 --> 02:54:37.867
CARS SO MUCH CHEAPER IN EUROPE

02:54:37.934 --> 02:54:39.502
AND OTHER PLACES? THERE'S ONE

02:54:39.569 --> 02:54:41.337
FUNDAMENTAL REASON THE CHINESE

02:54:41.404 --> 02:54:43.539
GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZES EACH AND

02:54:43.606 --> 02:54:46.676
EVERY ELECTRIC VEHICLE $25,000

02:54:46.742 --> 02:54:52.114
PER CAR. FREE MARKET COMPANIES

02:54:52.181 --> 02:54:55.718
CANNOT COMPETE WITH THAT PERIOD.

02:54:55.785 --> 02:54:57.887
THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET.

02:54:57.954 --> 02:54:59.355
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY

02:54:59.422 --> 02:55:01.157
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOT

02:55:01.224 --> 02:55:02.558
ALLOWED, AMONG NATIONAL

02:55:02.625 --> 02:55:03.793
SECURITY ISSUES, WHY THEY'VE

02:55:03.860 --> 02:55:05.428
NOT ALLOWED THEM INTO THIS

02:55:05.494 --> 02:55:07.663
COUNTRY, THAT SUBSIDY IS

02:55:07.730 --> 02:55:10.099
IMPOSSIBLE TO TO MEET. I SAID,

02:55:10.166 --> 02:55:12.335
WE'VE VERY HAPPY AND VERY

02:55:12.401 --> 02:55:15.204
THRILLED ABOUT THE 30 OR,

02:55:15.271 --> 02:55:16.973
EXCUSE ME, THE $3,000 THAT

02:55:17.039 --> 02:55:19.475
CALIFORNIA PROVIDES. THAT'S

02:55:19.542 --> 02:55:22.411
$25,000 ON EVERY CAR. AND ALSO

02:55:22.478 --> 02:55:24.480
THE NORWAY EXAMPLE GETS POINTED

02:55:24.547 --> 02:55:27.783
OUT A LOT. I'VE HAD THE

02:55:27.850 --> 02:55:29.986
PLEASURE OF FORMER AT THE TIME,

02:55:30.052 --> 02:55:32.788
HE WAS THE MINISTER OF THE

02:55:32.855 --> 02:55:33.856
ENVIRONMENT, AND HE BASICALLY

02:55:33.923 --> 02:55:35.157
SAID, THE REASON WE HAVE A LOT

02:55:35.224 --> 02:55:37.026
OF ELECTRIC CARS IN NORWAY, WE

02:55:37.093 --> 02:55:38.561
HAVE COLLECTIVE NATIONAL GUILT

02:55:38.628 --> 02:55:40.029
BECAUSE WE'VE PUMPED MORE OIL

02:55:40.096 --> 02:55:41.364
OUT OF THE NORTH SEA THAN

02:55:41.430 --> 02:55:49.772
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD. AND ARE HEAVILY

02:55:49.839 --> 02:55:51.574
SUBSIDIZING THE PRICE OF THOSE

02:55:51.641 --> 02:55:53.743
VEHICLES, NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS

02:55:53.809 --> 02:55:54.810
SUBSIDIZING. THAT'S WHAT WE

02:55:54.877 --> 02:55:56.946
DON'T HAVE HERE. AND THAT'S WHY

02:55:57.013 --> 02:55:58.014
WE SEE THESE THESE PRICE

02:55:58.080 --> 02:55:59.515
DIFFERENCES THAT ARE SO

02:55:59.582 --> 02:56:01.684
DRAMATIC. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO

02:56:01.751 --> 02:56:03.085
REITERATE ONE THING. OUR

02:56:03.152 --> 02:56:05.588
COMPANIES ARE IN BUSINESS TO

02:56:05.655 --> 02:56:08.157
MAKE AND SELL CARS. WE ARE

02:56:08.224 --> 02:56:10.092
RESPONDING TO MARKET DEMAND. WE

02:56:10.159 --> 02:56:12.962
CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE. DESPITE

02:56:13.029 --> 02:56:14.397
KIND OF THE ILLUSIONS THAT I'M

02:56:14.463 --> 02:56:16.165
HEARING. LIKE WE CAN IF WE ONLY

02:56:16.232 --> 02:56:17.333
MADE THEM. PEOPLE WILL BUY

02:56:17.400 --> 02:56:19.468
THESE CARS. WE CAN'T MAKE

02:56:19.535 --> 02:56:22.705
PEOPLE BUY CARS. WE MAKE CARS

02:56:22.772 --> 02:56:25.541
THAT PEOPLE WANT TO. AND UNTIL

02:56:25.608 --> 02:56:28.077
THAT KIND OF REALLY IS BETTER

02:56:28.144 --> 02:56:30.279
UNDERSTOOD, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE

02:56:30.346 --> 02:56:31.380
CHALLENGES. WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE

02:56:31.447 --> 02:56:33.549
NOT WE'RE NOT SELLING CARS IN

02:56:33.616 --> 02:56:34.917
THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY

02:56:34.984 --> 02:56:36.752
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO. THE

02:56:36.819 --> 02:56:37.920
PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

02:56:37.987 --> 02:56:39.622
COUNTRY JUST AREN'T BUYING

02:56:39.689 --> 02:56:41.023
ELECTRIC VEHICLES. AND IT'S.

02:56:41.090 --> 02:56:43.225
YEAH. ARE WE PERFECT? NO, BUT I

02:56:43.292 --> 02:56:44.460
THINK THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL

02:56:44.527 --> 02:56:46.095
THING IS WE DON'T YOU KNOW, YOU

02:56:46.162 --> 02:56:47.897
HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE ARE MAKING

02:56:47.964 --> 02:56:49.031
CARS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BUY.

02:56:49.098 --> 02:56:51.133
WE CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE BUY CARS

02:56:51.200 --> 02:56:55.037
THEY DON'T WANT. I JUST HAD ONE

02:56:55.104 --> 02:56:56.539
MORE QUESTION BEFORE I GO TO I

02:56:56.605 --> 02:56:58.040
MEAN, WE'LL HAVE A FEW

02:56:58.107 --> 02:57:00.176
QUESTIONS, BUT EVERYBODY IS

02:57:00.242 --> 02:57:01.877
TALKING ABOUT SKIN IN THE GAME.

02:57:01.944 --> 02:57:03.112
HOW WHAT IS THE SKIN IN THE

02:57:03.179 --> 02:57:05.247
GAME FOR THE CAR MANUFACTURERS

02:57:05.314 --> 02:57:07.783
WITH THIS FIRST TIME? IT'S HALF

02:57:07.850 --> 02:57:09.185
THE HALF. THE REBATE COMES FROM

02:57:09.251 --> 02:57:10.820
THE STATE AND HALF COMES FROM

02:57:10.886 --> 02:57:13.422
THE MANUFACTURER. OKAY. YEAH.

02:57:13.489 --> 02:57:18.494
ALL RIGHT. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S.

02:57:18.561 --> 02:57:20.596
YOU KNOW, I THINK TO YOUR POINT,

02:57:20.663 --> 02:57:22.131
OBVIOUSLY CAR COMPANIES ARE NOT

02:57:22.198 --> 02:57:23.833
GOING TO DO ANY OF THIS IF

02:57:23.899 --> 02:57:25.701
THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE MONEY

02:57:25.768 --> 02:57:27.136
ON IT. RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S IT.

02:57:27.203 --> 02:57:29.238
IT'S THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF

02:57:29.305 --> 02:57:31.374
SELLING CARS, NOT GIVING CARS

02:57:31.440 --> 02:57:34.777
AWAY. AT THE SAME TIME. I, YOU

02:57:34.844 --> 02:57:37.313
KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE

02:57:37.380 --> 02:57:38.981
GOING TO DO WHAT THE MARKET

02:57:39.048 --> 02:57:42.585
DEMANDS, BUT COMPANIES, CAR

02:57:42.651 --> 02:57:44.687
COMPANIES ARE VERY GOOD AT

02:57:44.754 --> 02:57:49.058
SELLING CARS, ARE VERY GOOD AT

02:57:49.125 --> 02:57:51.560
MAKING CREATING DEMAND AROUND

02:57:51.627 --> 02:57:54.163
CARS. AND I HAVE NOT SEEN IT'S

02:57:54.230 --> 02:57:55.731
SOMETHING THAT I'VE NOTED FOR A

02:57:55.798 --> 02:57:56.932
VERY LONG TIME. I JUST DON'T

02:57:56.999 --> 02:57:59.502
SEE ADVERTISEMENTS ON EVS. I

02:57:59.568 --> 02:58:02.738
DON'T SEE CAR COMPANIES

02:58:02.805 --> 02:58:04.173
HIGHLIGHTING THEM. I DON'T SEE

02:58:04.240 --> 02:58:07.410
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, YOU GUYS

02:58:07.476 --> 02:58:11.747
COULD HAVE AN AD OF JUST A CAR

02:58:11.814 --> 02:58:13.883
DRIVING PAST GAS STATIONS ALL

02:58:13.949 --> 02:58:16.352
DAY LONG. AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE,

02:58:16.419 --> 02:58:20.022
THIS COULD BE YOUR FUTURE. AND,

02:58:20.089 --> 02:58:21.424
AND THAT WOULD RESONATE WITH

02:58:21.490 --> 02:58:22.925
PEOPLE SO MUCH RIGHT NOW WHEN

02:58:22.992 --> 02:58:25.795
YOU'RE PAYING $2 MORE OR MORE A

02:58:25.861 --> 02:58:27.263
GALLON THAN WE WERE JUST PAYING

02:58:27.329 --> 02:58:28.998
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

02:58:29.065 --> 02:58:33.702
SO, SO I HOPE THAT PART OF

02:58:33.769 --> 02:58:34.804
CREATING THAT DEMAND WOULD ALSO

02:58:34.870 --> 02:58:36.539
BE SEEN AS A RESPONSIBILITY OF

02:58:36.605 --> 02:58:39.408
THE COMPANIES TO INCENTIVIZE IT

02:58:39.475 --> 02:58:42.945
TO REALLY AND TO INVEST IN THE

02:58:43.012 --> 02:58:45.815
I MEAN, YOU, I, I UNDERSTAND

02:58:45.881 --> 02:58:48.717
THAT IT IS A HUGE INVESTMENT TO

02:58:48.784 --> 02:58:50.886
CHANGE YOUR PRODUCTION OVER TO

02:58:50.953 --> 02:58:53.022
AN EV TO DEVELOP THAT

02:58:53.089 --> 02:58:54.490
TECHNOLOGY. YOU KNOW, ALL THAT

02:58:54.557 --> 02:58:55.891
GOES INTO IT. IT'S AN

02:58:55.958 --> 02:58:57.393
INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLE

02:58:57.460 --> 02:59:00.563
INVESTMENT. WHY NOT PROMOTE

02:59:00.629 --> 02:59:02.765
THAT AND MAKE IT WORTH IT AND

02:59:02.832 --> 02:59:05.267
CREATE DEMAND TOO? BECAUSE I

02:59:05.334 --> 02:59:06.669
THINK, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID

02:59:06.735 --> 02:59:09.572
EARLIER, I THINK THE, THE

02:59:09.638 --> 02:59:11.740
BENEFIT AND THE JOYS OF HAVING

02:59:11.807 --> 02:59:14.910
AN EV, NOBODY TALKS ABOUT, I

02:59:14.977 --> 02:59:16.378
DON'T EVER SEE ADS ABOUT THE

02:59:16.445 --> 02:59:19.281
GET UP AND GO OF AN EV AND HOW

02:59:19.348 --> 02:59:20.349
RESPONSIVE THEY ARE AND HOW

02:59:20.416 --> 02:59:22.284
QUICK YOU CAN GET ON A HIGHWAY

02:59:22.351 --> 02:59:23.986
OR GET OUT OF A DANGEROUS

02:59:24.053 --> 02:59:25.354
SITUATION OR WHATEVER IT IS.

02:59:25.421 --> 02:59:29.024
RIGHT. I DON'T EVER HEAR THAT.

02:59:29.091 --> 02:59:31.193
SO I JUST ON THAT TOPIC, SINCE

02:59:31.260 --> 02:59:32.962
YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT IT OR

02:59:33.028 --> 02:59:34.497
TALKING ABOUT IT, I JUST HAD TO

02:59:34.563 --> 02:59:40.569
MAKE THAT POINT. YEAH.

02:59:40.636 --> 02:59:42.371
CERTAINLY. YES, THERE IS SOME

02:59:42.438 --> 02:59:43.105
ADVERTISING, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

02:59:43.172 --> 02:59:44.707
I MEAN, THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT

02:59:44.773 --> 02:59:46.308
IS FOR MORE TRADITIONAL CARS.

02:59:46.375 --> 02:59:48.144
BUT I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT IF

02:59:48.210 --> 02:59:49.879
YOU WHILE WE DO NOT REPRESENT

02:59:49.945 --> 02:59:51.714
THEM, THE MOST SUCCESSFUL

02:59:51.780 --> 02:59:53.215
ELECTRIC VEHICLE COMPANY IN

02:59:53.282 --> 02:59:56.385
THIS COUNTRY, TESLA HAS NEVER

02:59:56.452 --> 02:59:58.854
ADVERTISED. SO IT IS NOT A

02:59:58.921 --> 02:59:59.922
FUNCTION OF ADVERTISING THAT

02:59:59.989 --> 03:00:02.525
MAKES PEOPLE BUY THAT VEHICLE.

03:00:02.591 --> 03:00:04.760
AND I. I WOULD SUPPOSE THAT

03:00:04.827 --> 03:00:06.095
IT'S PROBABLY NOT ALSO THE CASE

03:00:06.162 --> 03:00:07.663
OF WHY PEOPLE BOUGHT OTHER

03:00:07.730 --> 03:00:09.398
VEHICLES. SO IT'S IT CAN

03:00:09.465 --> 03:00:12.201
MOTIVATE BEHAVIOR, BUT IT'S NOT

03:00:12.268 --> 03:00:14.036
THE, THE, THE, THE SOLE

03:00:14.103 --> 03:00:15.437
BEHAVIOR EITHER. CAN WE DO

03:00:15.504 --> 03:00:17.173
BETTER? ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I'M

03:00:17.239 --> 03:00:18.407
NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY

03:00:18.474 --> 03:00:22.278
WE CAN'T, BUT I THINK IT'S NOT

03:00:22.344 --> 03:00:24.813
IF IF THE RECORD WAS CLEAR THAT

03:00:24.880 --> 03:00:26.282
THESE THIS TYPE OF ADVERTISING

03:00:26.348 --> 03:00:29.151
WOULD DIRECT MORE SALES, THE

03:00:29.218 --> 03:00:30.586
COMPANIES WOULD DO IT. YOU KNOW,

03:00:30.653 --> 03:00:32.221
IT'S I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY

03:00:32.288 --> 03:00:33.489
COMPANIES DO ADVERTISING IF IT

03:00:33.556 --> 03:00:35.391
DOESN'T DIRECT MORE SALES. LIKE

03:00:35.457 --> 03:00:37.726
IT SEEMS LIKE A BASIS, BUT IT

03:00:37.793 --> 03:00:41.697
CAN'T IT CAN'T NECESSARILY

03:00:41.764 --> 03:00:45.000
ALWAYS CREATE A DEMAND FOR

03:00:45.067 --> 03:00:45.801
SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T

03:00:45.868 --> 03:00:48.003
WANT. YOU CAN YOU CAN STIMULATE

03:00:48.070 --> 03:00:50.072
IT, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK

03:00:50.139 --> 03:00:52.441
OUT. YEAH. WELL, WE'LL NEVER

03:00:52.508 --> 03:00:55.744
FIND OUT IF THEY DON'T DO IT. I,

03:00:55.811 --> 03:00:57.313
AND I AND I WOULD SAY ON THE

03:00:57.379 --> 03:01:00.482
TESLA, I MEAN TESLA'S OBVIOUSLY

03:01:00.549 --> 03:01:02.251
THEIR INTEGRATED SYSTEM AND

03:01:02.318 --> 03:01:04.053
HAVING THE VAST CHARGING

03:01:04.119 --> 03:01:05.454
CHARGING NETWORK, I THINK IS A

03:01:05.521 --> 03:01:08.057
HUGE SALE POINT THAT THE

03:01:08.123 --> 03:01:09.425
TAXPAYERS HAVE INVESTED IN, BY

03:01:09.491 --> 03:01:11.126
THE WAY, AND WE SHOULD TAKE

03:01:11.193 --> 03:01:16.632
CREDIT FOR. BUT, YOU KNOW, SO I

03:01:16.699 --> 03:01:18.467
HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF COMPANIES

03:01:18.534 --> 03:01:20.603
INVESTING IN THAT. I THINK

03:01:20.669 --> 03:01:22.037
MERCEDES WAS LOOKING AT

03:01:22.104 --> 03:01:24.240
INVESTING IN THEIR OWN CHARGING

03:01:24.306 --> 03:01:25.574
NETWORK. IS THAT RIGHT? ARE

03:01:25.641 --> 03:01:26.675
THERE ANY OTHER COMPANIES THAT

03:01:26.742 --> 03:01:27.876
ARE LOOKING AT DOING THAT? YES,

03:01:27.943 --> 03:01:29.612
THERE ARE SEVERAL. AND I

03:01:29.678 --> 03:01:30.579
BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER

03:01:30.646 --> 03:01:32.514
SKINNER ACTUALLY ALLUDED TO IT

03:01:32.581 --> 03:01:34.717
AS WELL, TOO. YES, THERE A

03:01:34.783 --> 03:01:35.818
COUPLE OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT

03:01:35.884 --> 03:01:37.052
HAVE HAPPENING THERE. YOU KNOW,

03:01:37.119 --> 03:01:38.087
THERE'S BEEN THERE WERE A

03:01:38.153 --> 03:01:39.355
COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CHARGING

03:01:39.421 --> 03:01:41.123
STANDARDS, AND MOST OF THE

03:01:41.190 --> 03:01:44.093
COMPANIES NOW HAVE COALESCED ON

03:01:44.159 --> 03:01:46.161
ONE STANDARD BASED ON THE TESLA

03:01:46.228 --> 03:01:47.396
CHARGER FOR MANY OF THE REASONS

03:01:47.463 --> 03:01:49.732
YOU JUST SAID. BUT THERE ARE

03:01:49.798 --> 03:01:51.033
ALSO THESE CHARGING STATIONS

03:01:51.100 --> 03:01:52.167
THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED AND

03:01:52.234 --> 03:01:53.369
OTHER COALITIONS. YEAH. SO I

03:01:53.435 --> 03:01:54.536
MEAN, THEY TO BE HONEST, THEY

03:01:54.603 --> 03:01:56.238
HAVE BEEN RESISTANT. THEY DON'T

03:01:56.305 --> 03:01:58.107
THEY DIDN'T BUILD GAS STATIONS.

03:01:58.173 --> 03:01:59.108
SO THEY'VE BEEN A LITTLE

03:01:59.174 --> 03:02:00.509
RESISTANT TO IN DOING THAT. BUT

03:02:00.576 --> 03:02:03.412
THERE, THERE IS NOW AN EFFORT

03:02:03.479 --> 03:02:05.547
TO DEVELOP MORE OF THOSE

03:02:05.614 --> 03:02:06.715
CHARGING STANDARDS OR EXCUSE ME,

03:02:06.782 --> 03:02:09.184
CHARGING STATIONS. OKAY. AND

03:02:09.251 --> 03:02:11.353
JUST VERY ONE LAST QUICK

03:02:11.420 --> 03:02:15.324
QUESTION. SO IN TERMS OF THE

03:02:15.391 --> 03:02:18.560
USED MARKET, YOU KNOW, I KNOW

03:02:18.627 --> 03:02:19.695
ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A LOT OF

03:02:19.762 --> 03:02:23.032
CONCERN ABOUT HOW LONG BATTERY

03:02:23.098 --> 03:02:26.168
LIFE WOULD AND WHAT KIND

03:02:26.235 --> 03:02:27.870
OF USE MARKET WOULD BE OUT

03:02:27.936 --> 03:02:29.672
THERE. AND I'M UP FOR ANYONE ON

03:02:29.738 --> 03:02:30.839
THE PANEL WHO WANTS TO ANSWER

03:02:30.906 --> 03:02:32.875
THIS, BUT BUT I MEAN, WE'RE

03:02:32.941 --> 03:02:35.411
SEEING THAT THESE BATTERIES ARE

03:02:35.477 --> 03:02:36.845
LASTING. THEY'RE LASTING.

03:02:36.912 --> 03:02:37.980
CERTAINLY THERE'S SOME

03:02:38.047 --> 03:02:39.014
DEGRADATION, BUT THEY REALLY

03:02:39.081 --> 03:02:41.483
ARE LASTING. AND SO THAT FEELS

03:02:41.550 --> 03:02:43.018
LIKE A GAME CHANGER ALSO IN

03:02:43.085 --> 03:02:44.520
TERMS OF THE AFFORDABILITY. AND

03:02:44.586 --> 03:02:46.455
I MEAN, I HAVE I BOUGHT A USED

03:02:46.522 --> 03:02:48.457
EV. I WAS NOT GOING TO BUY A

03:02:48.524 --> 03:02:50.559
NEW ONE. I COULDN'T AFFORD IT.

03:02:50.626 --> 03:02:53.062
BUT BUT I THINK THAT THAT

03:02:53.128 --> 03:02:54.930
REALLY DOES OPEN IT UP TO MORE

03:02:54.997 --> 03:02:57.099
AFFORDABLE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE

03:02:57.166 --> 03:03:00.402
TO AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,

03:03:00.469 --> 03:03:01.537
IF THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

03:03:01.603 --> 03:03:03.205
BUT NO, I MEAN, THAT'S

03:03:03.272 --> 03:03:04.239
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT'S WHY

03:03:04.306 --> 03:03:05.374
I'M SORT OF BANGING ON ABOUT

03:03:05.441 --> 03:03:06.608
LOANS FOR TRUCKERS, BUT SAME

03:03:06.675 --> 03:03:08.243
DEAL FOR ORDINARY PEOPLE. LIKE

03:03:08.310 --> 03:03:09.411
I WILL NEVER BUY A NEW CAR.

03:03:09.478 --> 03:03:11.213
YEAH, RIGHT. I CANNOT AFFORD

03:03:11.280 --> 03:03:12.414
THAT. WON'T DO IT. THINKING

03:03:12.481 --> 03:03:14.216
ABOUT THE AUTO INDUSTRY IS A

03:03:14.283 --> 03:03:15.784
LOANS COMPANY IS PROBABLY WORTH

03:03:15.851 --> 03:03:16.885
THINKING ABOUT. RIGHT. THAT'S A

03:03:16.952 --> 03:03:18.020
BIG PROFIT CENTER. SO HOW DO

03:03:18.087 --> 03:03:20.089
YOU ENSURE YOU'VE GOT LOW COST

03:03:20.155 --> 03:03:21.290
AUTO LOANS FOR NORMAL PEOPLE.

03:03:21.357 --> 03:03:23.292
AND THEN ADD ON? THE STATE HAD

03:03:23.359 --> 03:03:24.126
DURABILITY STANDARDS AND

03:03:24.193 --> 03:03:25.561
WARRANTY STANDARDS FOR EV

03:03:25.627 --> 03:03:27.296
BATTERIES IN THE A, C, C TWO

03:03:27.363 --> 03:03:28.163
REGULATIONS MY TEAM DESIGNED,

03:03:28.230 --> 03:03:30.499
THE INDUSTRY BLEW UP THOSE

03:03:30.566 --> 03:03:32.034
DURABILITY AND WARRANTY RULES,

03:03:32.101 --> 03:03:33.302
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, COULD

03:03:33.369 --> 03:03:35.137
BE REENACTED AND I THINK WOULD

03:03:35.204 --> 03:03:36.271
REALLY HELP. CAN I ADD ONE

03:03:36.338 --> 03:03:38.107
OTHER THING? AND THAT IS THE

03:03:38.173 --> 03:03:39.608
EDUCATION OF DEALERS AND AUTO

03:03:39.675 --> 03:03:41.710
SALES PEOPLE WHO DON'T PUSH

03:03:41.777 --> 03:03:43.512
ELECTRIC VEHICLES. IT'S A HUGE

03:03:43.579 --> 03:03:45.247
ISSUE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE

03:03:45.314 --> 03:03:46.482
MANUFACTURERS ACTUALLY COULD DO

03:03:46.548 --> 03:03:47.916
SOMETHING ABOUT. IF YOU WANT

03:03:47.983 --> 03:03:49.618
PEOPLE TO BUY EVS, YOUR

03:03:49.685 --> 03:03:50.652
SALESPEOPLE HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT

03:03:50.719 --> 03:03:51.854
THEM AND HAVE TO UNDERSTAND

03:03:51.920 --> 03:03:53.021
THEIR BENEFITS. YOU HAVE TO

03:03:53.088 --> 03:03:54.990
LIKE, TELL YOU HOW TO CHARGE IT.

03:03:55.057 --> 03:03:57.159
I, I LEASED AN EV BEFORE I

03:03:57.226 --> 03:03:59.962
BOUGHT MY USED EV, AND THE

03:04:00.028 --> 03:04:01.397
SALESPERSON WAS THE NICEST GUY

03:04:01.463 --> 03:04:02.564
IN THE WORLD, BUT HE DID NOT

03:04:02.631 --> 03:04:04.366
KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ELECTRIC

03:04:04.433 --> 03:04:05.734
VEHICLES. AND I WAS LIKE, HOW

03:04:05.801 --> 03:04:07.636
DOES THIS WORK? WHAT DO I DO?

03:04:07.703 --> 03:04:09.671
HOW DO I GET THIS SET UP? AND

03:04:09.738 --> 03:04:11.206
HE'S LIKE, LOOK, GO ON YOUTUBE,

03:04:11.273 --> 03:04:15.444
YOU KNOW? SO YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S

03:04:15.511 --> 03:04:16.612
A LEARNING CURVE FOR EVERYBODY.

03:04:16.678 --> 03:04:19.848
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE

03:04:19.915 --> 03:04:22.651
WELL, FIRST FOR MISS RANGER,

03:04:22.718 --> 03:04:24.987
YOU TALKED ABOUT MAKING BETTER

03:04:25.053 --> 03:04:26.655
USE OF THE GRID. AND I WOULD

03:04:26.722 --> 03:04:29.158
SAY THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS

03:04:29.224 --> 03:04:30.259
ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT THE

03:04:30.325 --> 03:04:32.428
PUC HAS NOT BEEN GREAT AT. I

03:04:32.494 --> 03:04:33.896
MEAN, I WOULD POINT TO A

03:04:33.962 --> 03:04:35.664
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROGRAM.

03:04:35.731 --> 03:04:37.800
DSG'S. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE

03:04:37.866 --> 03:04:39.268
STILL FIGHTING ON THAT PROGRAM,

03:04:39.334 --> 03:04:43.906
BUT WHAT ARE THEY? IS THE PUC

03:04:43.972 --> 03:04:45.707
BECAUSE WE HEARD BEFORE THE CDC

03:04:45.774 --> 03:04:49.378
IS WORKING ON ON THE THE

03:04:49.445 --> 03:04:51.079
VEHICLE TO GRID INTEGRATION.

03:04:51.146 --> 03:04:53.348
BUT DO YOU IN YOUR MIND, IS THE

03:04:53.415 --> 03:04:56.652
PUC THE HOLDUP THERE? I THINK

03:04:56.718 --> 03:04:58.253
THAT THERE'S MORE THAT COULD BE

03:04:58.320 --> 03:04:59.888
DONE TO HAVE COORDINATION WITH

03:04:59.955 --> 03:05:02.257
THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES,

03:05:02.324 --> 03:05:07.596
ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO LOW CARBON FUEL STANDARD

03:05:07.663 --> 03:05:09.398
FUNDS, YOU KNOW, A PORTION, THE

03:05:09.465 --> 03:05:11.967
FUNDS THAT THE UTILITIES

03:05:12.034 --> 03:05:13.669
RECEIVE FROM LOW CARBON FUEL

03:05:13.735 --> 03:05:15.904
STANDARD GOES TO THE STATEWIDE

03:05:15.971 --> 03:05:16.872
PROGRAM. AND THEN ANOTHER

03:05:16.939 --> 03:05:18.340
PORTION GOES TO WHAT WE CALL

03:05:18.407 --> 03:05:20.909
THE HOLDBACK PROGRAMS. AND

03:05:20.976 --> 03:05:22.544
THOSE ARE FOR EACH UTILITY TO

03:05:22.611 --> 03:05:24.880
TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THEM

03:05:24.947 --> 03:05:26.281
WITHIN SOME PARAMETERS THAT THE

03:05:26.348 --> 03:05:28.817
CARB REGULATION PROVIDES FOR

03:05:28.884 --> 03:05:30.452
THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES,

03:05:30.519 --> 03:05:31.653
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN

03:05:31.720 --> 03:05:34.256
ADDITIONAL STEP, WHICH IS TO

03:05:34.323 --> 03:05:35.657
GET APPROVAL FROM THE PUBLIC

03:05:35.724 --> 03:05:37.059
UTILITIES COMMISSION. AND I

03:05:37.125 --> 03:05:39.261
THINK WITHIN THAT STEP IN

03:05:39.328 --> 03:05:40.362
PARTICULAR, THERE'S A LOT THAT

03:05:40.429 --> 03:05:42.831
COULD BE DONE TO HAVE MORE

03:05:42.898 --> 03:05:44.233
COORDINATION, MORE SPEED TO

03:05:44.299 --> 03:05:46.735
SCALE, EVEN IF IT'S STARTING

03:05:46.802 --> 03:05:48.971
WITH PILOTS TO GET SOME OF THIS

03:05:49.037 --> 03:05:50.005
LEARNINGS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF

03:05:50.072 --> 03:05:51.139
THE LEARNINGS THAT WE NEED TO

03:05:51.206 --> 03:05:53.041
GET DONE. I THINK THAT THAT

03:05:53.108 --> 03:05:55.010
COULD BE A WAY WHERE WE COULD

03:05:55.077 --> 03:05:56.512
REALLY MAKE SOME PROGRESS THERE.

03:05:56.578 --> 03:05:58.013
AND DO YOU THINK IT HAS TO BE

03:05:58.080 --> 03:05:59.781
AN EXECUTIVE ORDER? BECAUSE IT

03:05:59.848 --> 03:06:02.251
PROBABLY THE THE LEGISLATURE

03:06:02.317 --> 03:06:04.052
TRIES AND ALL THOSE BILLS GET

03:06:04.119 --> 03:06:07.856
KILLED. I THINK IT'S AN IDEA

03:06:07.923 --> 03:06:09.525
THAT IF THE LEGISLATURE WANTED

03:06:09.591 --> 03:06:10.893
TO WORK WITH US ON THAT, WE

03:06:10.959 --> 03:06:13.061
WOULD BE OPEN TO TALKING

03:06:13.128 --> 03:06:14.796
THROUGH THAT. I FEEL LIKE I

03:06:14.863 --> 03:06:16.031
KIND OF CAME UP WITH ALL THESE

03:06:16.098 --> 03:06:17.833
IDEAS, AND THEN IT'S LIKE, OH,

03:06:17.900 --> 03:06:19.768
WHO SHOULD WE THROW THEM TO? SO

03:06:19.835 --> 03:06:20.969
NO, IF ANY, IF ANYBODY'S

03:06:21.036 --> 03:06:21.937
INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH US,

03:06:22.004 --> 03:06:23.805
PLEASE LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I

03:06:23.872 --> 03:06:24.907
KNOW THESE GUYS. YEAH, THEY'RE

03:06:24.973 --> 03:06:26.775
TAKING A LOT OF NOTES RIGHT NOW.

03:06:26.842 --> 03:06:28.010
OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD JUST

03:06:28.076 --> 03:06:29.978
LIKE FOR CHIEF HAGEL TO TALK A

03:06:30.045 --> 03:06:31.113
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE

03:06:31.179 --> 03:06:32.814
PROGRAM. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK

03:06:32.881 --> 03:06:35.417
THE MOST IS MOST

03:06:35.484 --> 03:06:36.518
UNDERAPPRECIATED ABOUT THE DAY

03:06:36.585 --> 03:06:39.721
TO DAY EXPERIENCE OF AN EV

03:06:39.788 --> 03:06:41.890
OWNER THAT DOES NOT HAVE AT

03:06:41.957 --> 03:06:43.692
HOME CHARGING? WHAT WHAT DID

03:06:43.759 --> 03:06:45.427
YOUR FOLKS DO? WHERE DID THEY

03:06:45.494 --> 03:06:47.663
GO IF THEY DIDN'T PLUG IT INTO

03:06:47.729 --> 03:06:50.866
THE LIGHT BULB SOCKET? YEAH,

03:06:50.933 --> 03:06:53.402
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. NO ONE

03:06:53.468 --> 03:06:54.803
COMES TO MY MIND INSTANTLY.

03:06:54.870 --> 03:06:59.541
THIS ONE INTREPID DRIVER LIVES

03:06:59.608 --> 03:07:03.111
IN LOW COST APARTMENT HOUSING

03:07:03.178 --> 03:07:06.715
EVERY SINGLE NIGHT DRIVE,

03:07:06.782 --> 03:07:08.517
DRIVES ABOUT A MILE FROM HER

03:07:08.584 --> 03:07:10.719
APARTMENT, KNOWS WHERE THERE IS

03:07:10.786 --> 03:07:13.589
A LEVEL TWO CHARGER FROM A

03:07:13.655 --> 03:07:15.390
PUBLIC FACILITY THAT HAS A

03:07:15.457 --> 03:07:16.925
TRASH BAG OVER IT. BECAUSE HANK,

03:07:16.992 --> 03:07:18.994
THE MAINTENANCE GUYS NEVER

03:07:19.061 --> 03:07:21.496
REPAIRED THE METER ON IT FULLY,

03:07:21.563 --> 03:07:24.399
AND IT'S A PUBLIC ACCESS,

03:07:24.466 --> 03:07:26.201
NONPROFIT GOVERNMENT CHARGING

03:07:26.268 --> 03:07:29.037
POINT PLUGS, PLUGS THE CAR IN

03:07:29.104 --> 03:07:30.505
EVERY NIGHT AT 7:00 WHEN SHE

03:07:30.572 --> 03:07:33.709
GETS OFF HER SHIFT AND HOOFS IT

03:07:33.775 --> 03:07:35.510
HOME. AND THEN AT FIVE IN THE

03:07:35.577 --> 03:07:38.480
MORNING, TAKES HER DOG WITH HER

03:07:38.547 --> 03:07:40.082
BECAUSE SHE'S SCARED TO WALK ON

03:07:40.148 --> 03:07:41.683
THE STREETS, GOES BACK TO IT.

03:07:41.750 --> 03:07:43.085
IT ACTUALLY WORKS. IT'S JUST

03:07:43.151 --> 03:07:44.152
THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT

03:07:44.219 --> 03:07:45.687
HASN'T EVER GOT AROUND TO

03:07:45.754 --> 03:07:47.089
FIXING SOME OF THE ATTRIBUTES

03:07:47.155 --> 03:07:49.124
OF IT SO THAT SHE CAN CHARGE IT

03:07:49.191 --> 03:07:51.393
FOR FREE. THAT'S WHY SHE'S

03:07:51.460 --> 03:07:52.728
DOING IT. IS THERE IS NO

03:07:52.794 --> 03:07:54.329
CHARGER AVAILABLE WHATSOEVER IN

03:07:54.396 --> 03:07:55.998
HER APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND THE

03:07:56.064 --> 03:07:57.332
NEAREST FAST CHARGING IS ABOUT

03:07:57.399 --> 03:08:00.002
SIX MILES AWAY. SO THAT'S WHAT

03:08:00.068 --> 03:08:01.903
SHE DOES. AND I THINK THAT'S AN

03:08:01.970 --> 03:08:03.972
INTREPID SOLUTION AT THAT POINT.

03:08:04.039 --> 03:08:05.774
I THINK THAT ONE OF THE POINTS

03:08:05.841 --> 03:08:08.076
THAT I LISTENING TO EVERYBODY

03:08:08.143 --> 03:08:09.711
HERE IS WE JUST KEEP TALKING

03:08:09.778 --> 03:08:12.047
INCENTIVES. AND I'M A NEOPHYTE

03:08:12.114 --> 03:08:14.082
WITH ALL OF THIS, I THIS IS NOT

03:08:14.149 --> 03:08:16.885
MY REGULAR INDUSTRY. SO I DON'T

03:08:16.952 --> 03:08:18.053
KNOW. I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE

03:08:18.120 --> 03:08:19.921
LIFE. I'M GOING TO LIVE HERE

03:08:19.988 --> 03:08:20.956
TILL MY LAST BREATH IN

03:08:21.023 --> 03:08:22.157
CALIFORNIA. I LOVE IT, BUT I'LL

03:08:22.224 --> 03:08:24.026
BET YOU AND SOMEONE CAN ANSWER

03:08:24.092 --> 03:08:25.193
IT. YOU ALL KNOW YOU PROBABLY

03:08:25.260 --> 03:08:26.328
SPENT BILLIONS ON INCENTIVES,

03:08:26.395 --> 03:08:29.498
IF NOT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. AN

03:08:29.564 --> 03:08:30.599
INCENTIVE THAT WILL WORK FOR

03:08:30.666 --> 03:08:32.467
SURE. FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES.

03:08:32.534 --> 03:08:34.236
WE CAN GET THEM IN THE CARS. I

03:08:34.302 --> 03:08:36.338
CAN GO GET YOU IN A CAR. RIGHT

03:08:36.405 --> 03:08:38.507
NOW IT ONLY HAS 70 MILE RANGE

03:08:38.573 --> 03:08:40.409
FOR 3000 BUCKS, 2000 BUCKS, AND

03:08:40.475 --> 03:08:41.510
IT'S GOING TO GET YOU TO

03:08:41.576 --> 03:08:44.312
COLLEGE AND BACK. OKAY. WHAT

03:08:44.379 --> 03:08:46.114
KILLS THEM IS THE UNREGULATED

03:08:46.181 --> 03:08:47.382
CHARGING OF THAT VEHICLE, AND

03:08:47.449 --> 03:08:49.284
THEY DON'T HAVE THE ACCESS. SO

03:08:49.351 --> 03:08:51.453
WHY NOT? YOU'RE GIVING SOMEONE

03:08:51.520 --> 03:08:54.022
3000 BUCKS TO GO TO HANK'S. I'M

03:08:54.089 --> 03:08:58.326
PICKING ON HANK. SO TIM'S LOCAL

03:08:58.393 --> 03:09:00.862
RETAIL COMMERCIAL TOP FIVE

03:09:00.929 --> 03:09:03.799
PLACE TO GO. BUY HIS USED EV

03:09:03.865 --> 03:09:05.901
AND GET A GREAT INCENTIVE.

03:09:05.967 --> 03:09:07.636
THEY'RE NOT GOING THERE.

03:09:07.703 --> 03:09:09.137
THERE'S THIS PLACE CALLED

03:09:09.204 --> 03:09:10.372
FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE. YOU MAY

03:09:10.439 --> 03:09:12.174
HAVE HEARD OF IT. THAT'S WHERE

03:09:12.240 --> 03:09:13.341
THEY'RE BUYING THEIR USED CARS.

03:09:13.408 --> 03:09:15.577
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE DEALER.

03:09:15.644 --> 03:09:17.446
WHEN YOUR COMBINED INCOME IN

03:09:17.512 --> 03:09:19.948
YOUR WHOLE HOUSEHOLD OF FOUR IS

03:09:20.015 --> 03:09:21.717
$30 AN HOUR, THAT'S NOT WHERE

03:09:21.783 --> 03:09:23.852
THEY'RE GOING. BUT PROVIDING

03:09:23.919 --> 03:09:26.021
INCENTIVES FOR LOW INCOME

03:09:26.088 --> 03:09:28.256
DWELLING FAMILIES THAT HAVE AN

03:09:28.323 --> 03:09:31.827
EV. MAYBE ONE YEAR CUT THAT,

03:09:31.893 --> 03:09:35.831
CUT THAT 56 TO $0.75 A KILOWATT

03:09:35.897 --> 03:09:37.933
DOWN TO EQUAL OF ALL OF US IN

03:09:37.999 --> 03:09:39.367
THIS ROOM. HAVING THE STATE

03:09:39.434 --> 03:09:41.536
GIVE THEM THE ABILITY WITH THE

03:09:41.603 --> 03:09:43.638
THEY'RE CONTROLLED BY FOUR APPS

03:09:43.705 --> 03:09:45.507
ON THEIR PHONE. THAT'S ANOTHER

03:09:45.574 --> 03:09:46.708
THING, BY THE WAY. I'LL I'LL

03:09:46.775 --> 03:09:48.610
ADD IS IF THE STATE OFFERED AN

03:09:48.677 --> 03:09:49.678
INCENTIVE FOR SOMEONE THAT OWNS

03:09:49.745 --> 03:09:51.480
A USED VEHICLE THAT MAKES UNDER

03:09:51.546 --> 03:09:53.415
X AMOUNT IN THE LOW STANDARD,

03:09:53.482 --> 03:09:56.318
LOW INCOME STANDARD FOR A YEAR

03:09:56.384 --> 03:09:57.719
TO GIVE THEM A CHARGING

03:09:57.786 --> 03:09:58.787
INCENTIVE, THEY STILL GO TO THE

03:09:58.854 --> 03:10:00.188
PAID CHARGER. CHARGING

03:10:00.255 --> 03:10:01.089
COMPANIES AREN'T GOING TO FIGHT

03:10:01.156 --> 03:10:02.691
YOUR BILL BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING

03:10:02.758 --> 03:10:04.192
TO GET THEIR MONEY. SO THEY'RE

03:10:04.259 --> 03:10:04.760
CARROTS. THEY'RE HAPPY WITH

03:10:04.826 --> 03:10:06.695
THEIR CARROT IN FRONT OF THEM

03:10:06.762 --> 03:10:08.864
AND HELP ASSIST THEM TO CUT

03:10:08.930 --> 03:10:11.767
THAT RATE EQUAL TO US. IMAGINE

03:10:11.833 --> 03:10:13.935
THIS THAT YOU DRIVE BY A GAS

03:10:14.002 --> 03:10:15.003
STATION, FOUR OF THEM ON

03:10:15.070 --> 03:10:16.772
WESTWOOD RIGHT NOW, AND YOU

03:10:16.838 --> 03:10:19.007
HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH ONE WILL

03:10:19.074 --> 03:10:21.176
FIT YOUR INCOME RATE, NOT WHICH

03:10:21.243 --> 03:10:22.644
ONE'S MORE CONVENIENT, NOT

03:10:22.711 --> 03:10:24.045
WHICH ONES. WE ALL DO IT. IT'S

03:10:24.112 --> 03:10:26.014
GOING TO SAVE YOU $0.10 ON YOUR

03:10:26.081 --> 03:10:27.649
GALLON OF GAS. BUT WHICH ONE

03:10:27.716 --> 03:10:30.185
CAN YOU ACTUALLY GO TO THAT

03:10:30.252 --> 03:10:31.553
DOESN'T JUDGE AGAINST YOU ABOUT

03:10:31.620 --> 03:10:33.488
THE ECONOMICS OF YOUR FAMILY

03:10:33.555 --> 03:10:35.323
AND MAKE IT MAKE IT AN EQUAL

03:10:35.390 --> 03:10:38.760
PLAYING FIELD? SO I EVERYBODY

03:10:38.827 --> 03:10:40.996
ELSE HAS A LOT OF EXPERTISE IN

03:10:41.062 --> 03:10:43.765
THIS AREA. IS IT IS THIS WELL

03:10:43.832 --> 03:10:45.934
KNOWN THAT THAT CHARGERS, THAT

03:10:46.001 --> 03:10:48.136
LOW INCOME FOLKS OFTEN HAVE TO

03:10:48.203 --> 03:10:53.508
UTILIZE HAVE UNREGULATED COSTS?

03:10:53.575 --> 03:10:54.609
NOBODY'S COME TO THE

03:10:54.676 --> 03:10:57.112
LEGISLATURE YET AND TRY TO. I

03:10:57.179 --> 03:10:58.313
GUESS THAT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR

03:10:58.380 --> 03:11:03.251
NEXT YEAR. BUT IN GENERAL. OKAY,

03:11:03.318 --> 03:11:05.020
SO THEY HAVE THE ISSUE WITH

03:11:05.086 --> 03:11:09.024
CHARGING. BUT HOW DO THEY HOW

03:11:09.090 --> 03:11:13.028
DO FOLKS LIKE THE EV EXPERIENCE?

03:11:13.094 --> 03:11:16.898
NO EXHAUST DRIVING BY GAS

03:11:16.965 --> 03:11:19.467
STATIONS. IS THERE WOULD THEY

03:11:19.534 --> 03:11:21.603
BE WOULD THEY BE INTERESTED IN

03:11:21.670 --> 03:11:24.105
BUYING AN EV THE NEXT TIME?

03:11:24.172 --> 03:11:25.907
YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. AND

03:11:25.974 --> 03:11:27.709
YOU YOU BROUGHT UP ZIPPING

03:11:27.776 --> 03:11:29.211
ALONG LIKE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE

03:11:29.277 --> 03:11:30.645
YOU'RE GOING FAST, YOU'RE

03:11:30.712 --> 03:11:31.680
ZIPPING ALONG, YOU'RE ABLE TO

03:11:31.746 --> 03:11:34.583
GET PLACES. THEY ABSOLUTELY

03:11:34.649 --> 03:11:37.052
LOVE THEM. WE'VE HAD, WE DO

03:11:37.118 --> 03:11:38.887
WEEKLY REPORTS LIKE, DO YOU

03:11:38.954 --> 03:11:40.422
LIKE IT? IF THIS PROGRAM WAS

03:11:40.488 --> 03:11:42.123
OVER, WOULD YOU KEEP THE

03:11:42.190 --> 03:11:43.658
VEHICLE? AND WOULD YOU MORE

03:11:43.725 --> 03:11:45.060
IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING

03:11:45.126 --> 03:11:46.628
AT IS WOULD YOUR NEXT VEHICLE

03:11:46.695 --> 03:11:47.896
BE ONE OF THESE? ARE YOU

03:11:47.963 --> 03:11:49.464
SWITCHING BACK TO COMBUSTION? I

03:11:49.531 --> 03:11:50.465
MEAN, THAT'S THE IMPORTANT

03:11:50.532 --> 03:11:51.566
QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S WHAT

03:11:51.633 --> 03:11:53.668
YOU'RE ASKING. THEY LOVE THEM

03:11:53.735 --> 03:11:55.170
STRAIGHT OUT LOVE THEM. AND

03:11:55.237 --> 03:11:56.705
THEY WOULD KEEP IT. THEY'RE

03:11:56.771 --> 03:11:58.273
ONLY ACHILLES IS THE CHARGING

03:11:58.340 --> 03:12:00.141
COST AND ACCESS IN THEIR

03:12:00.208 --> 03:12:01.943
MULTIFAMILY HOMES. THAT'S IT.

03:12:02.010 --> 03:12:03.445
OTHERWISE HANDS DOWN THEY LOVE

03:12:03.511 --> 03:12:05.113
IT. THERE'S SO MANY ANECDOTAL

03:12:05.180 --> 03:12:06.948
STORIES FROM THEM THAT JUST I

03:12:07.015 --> 03:12:08.383
GET TO READ THESE ON MONDAY

03:12:08.450 --> 03:12:10.151
MORNINGS. THE RESEARCH COMES

03:12:10.218 --> 03:12:12.354
THROUGH, AND SOMETIMES I'M JUST

03:12:12.420 --> 03:12:13.788
LAUGHING ON HOW MUCH THEY

03:12:13.855 --> 03:12:15.590
REALLY LOVE HAVING THE ELECTRIC

03:12:15.657 --> 03:12:19.194
VEHICLES. AND, AND IS THAT AND

03:12:19.261 --> 03:12:20.462
WHAT IS THE MOST SURPRISING

03:12:20.528 --> 03:12:21.930
THING THAT YOU HAVE FOUND? IS

03:12:21.997 --> 03:12:23.598
THAT IT THAT YEAH, THAT'S THE

03:12:23.665 --> 03:12:26.134
MOST SURPRISING FOR ME IS THAT

03:12:26.201 --> 03:12:27.936
I THOUGHT THIS IS GOING TO BE

03:12:28.003 --> 03:12:30.071
SO DIFFICULT. BUT BECAUSE OF

03:12:30.138 --> 03:12:31.873
THE CHARGING SITUATIONS, I

03:12:31.940 --> 03:12:34.342
THOUGHT, WOW, PERSONALLY

03:12:34.409 --> 03:12:35.677
UNBIASED WHEN THE WHEN THE

03:12:35.744 --> 03:12:36.711
PROJECT STARTED, I THOUGHT,

03:12:36.778 --> 03:12:37.812
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO WANT TO

03:12:37.879 --> 03:12:39.681
DUMP THESE THINGS AND GO BACK

03:12:39.748 --> 03:12:40.749
TO COMBUSTION. THEY'RE GOING TO

03:12:40.815 --> 03:12:43.285
TAKE THEIR 400,000 MILE CAR

03:12:43.351 --> 03:12:45.153
THAT THEY'RE BUYING FOR 3000

03:12:45.220 --> 03:12:48.023
BUCKS ON FACEBOOK, AND THEY'RE

03:12:48.089 --> 03:12:50.525
GOING TO RUN THAT CAR AND GO GO

03:12:50.592 --> 03:12:51.960
BACK TO THAT. AND SO FAR, WHAT

03:12:52.027 --> 03:12:53.395
WE'RE FINDING IS THAT THAT'S

03:12:53.461 --> 03:12:56.665
NOT THE CASE. THAT'S GREAT. SO

03:12:56.731 --> 03:12:58.433
WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME. SO I

03:12:58.500 --> 03:13:00.302
THOUGHT WE WOULD DO MAYBE A

03:13:00.368 --> 03:13:02.771
MINUTE OR SO WRAP UP FROM ALL

03:13:02.837 --> 03:13:05.607
THE PANELISTS. AND WE'LL START

03:13:05.674 --> 03:13:08.510
WITH THE THE LAST SPEAKER. WELL,

03:13:08.576 --> 03:13:10.245
I'LL KEEP IT UNDER A MINUTE. I

03:13:10.312 --> 03:13:12.080
WILL JUST SAY WE'VE HEARD

03:13:12.147 --> 03:13:13.515
THROUGHOUT THIS IS A QUESTION

03:13:13.581 --> 03:13:14.683
OF ECONOMIC POLICY, WHETHER

03:13:14.749 --> 03:13:16.084
IT'S THE INDUSTRY'S PERCEPTION

03:13:16.151 --> 03:13:18.053
OF ITSELF AS IN A BIND OR IN

03:13:18.119 --> 03:13:19.654
THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU WERE

03:13:19.721 --> 03:13:20.922
JUST DISCUSSING OF SOMEONE JUST

03:13:20.989 --> 03:13:22.057
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO

03:13:22.123 --> 03:13:23.959
MAKE IT THROUGH THE DAY. I

03:13:24.025 --> 03:13:24.960
THINK THERE ARE REAL

03:13:25.026 --> 03:13:25.927
OPPORTUNITIES HERE. AS I'VE

03:13:25.994 --> 03:13:27.062
SAID, LOOKING AT THE WORLD'S

03:13:27.128 --> 03:13:28.129
SITUATION, THIS IS WHERE THE

03:13:28.196 --> 03:13:29.197
WORLD'S GOING. CALIFORNIA

03:13:29.264 --> 03:13:30.231
HELPED GET IT STARTED, AND NOW

03:13:30.298 --> 03:13:32.100
IT'S ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE

03:13:32.167 --> 03:13:33.935
THIS ISN'T JUST 2 OR 4

03:13:34.002 --> 03:13:35.070
COMPANIES UP CHARGING THE STATE

03:13:35.136 --> 03:13:36.271
AND UP CHARGING PEOPLE? HOW DO

03:13:36.338 --> 03:13:38.039
WE GO FROM US CREATING THIS,

03:13:38.106 --> 03:13:39.107
THIS JUST BEING SHARED

03:13:39.174 --> 03:13:39.975
PROSPERITY FOR EVERYBODY? I

03:13:40.041 --> 03:13:41.176
THINK THAT'S REALLY AVAILABLE.

03:13:41.242 --> 03:13:42.310
THE MORE WE FOCUS ON THIS

03:13:42.377 --> 03:13:44.112
ACROSS ALL OUR TOOLS AND THE

03:13:44.179 --> 03:13:45.747
VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE TOOLS,

03:13:45.814 --> 03:13:47.482
ONE COULD MAKE US MONEY BACK,

03:13:47.549 --> 03:13:49.050
YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL.

03:13:49.117 --> 03:13:50.685
AND ALSO, I DON'T NEED TO ASK

03:13:50.752 --> 03:13:51.686
DONALD TRUMP'S PERMISSION FOR

03:13:51.753 --> 03:13:53.455
THEM, AND NEITHER DO ANY OF US.

03:13:53.521 --> 03:13:54.589
BUT IS THERE WITHIN THE

03:13:54.656 --> 03:13:56.358
AUTHORITY OF THE STATES? I

03:13:56.424 --> 03:13:57.325
THINK FOCUSING THERE NOW

03:13:57.392 --> 03:13:58.460
CHANGES THE POLITICS AND GETS

03:13:58.526 --> 03:13:59.961
US IN 2029 WHEN PRESIDENT,

03:14:00.028 --> 03:14:01.396
WHOEVER TAKES OFFICE AND THINKS,

03:14:01.463 --> 03:14:02.931
OH MY GOD, WE'RE BEHIND THE

03:14:02.998 --> 03:14:04.299
WORLD, CRITICALLY BEHIND THE

03:14:04.366 --> 03:14:05.700
WORLD, AND WE'RE EXPOSED TO ALL

03:14:05.767 --> 03:14:06.835
THESE COSTS. I WANT THEM

03:14:06.901 --> 03:14:08.336
LOOKING AT CALIFORNIA NOT AS

03:14:08.403 --> 03:14:09.838
THE MOST UNEQUAL STATE, NOT AS

03:14:09.904 --> 03:14:11.006
THE STATE THAT STARTED THIS,

03:14:11.072 --> 03:14:12.841
BUT IS THE STATE THAT IS NOW

03:14:12.907 --> 03:14:14.676
MAKING THIS A MATURE MARKET FOR

03:14:14.743 --> 03:14:15.810
ORDINARY PEOPLE. I THINK THAT'S

03:14:15.877 --> 03:14:17.679
WHERE WE CAN GO. THANK YOU. ALL

03:14:17.746 --> 03:14:19.114
RIGHT. JUST WITH REGARD TO THE

03:14:19.180 --> 03:14:20.949
LAST QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED

03:14:21.016 --> 03:14:24.519
ABOUT THE CONCERN ABOUT

03:14:24.586 --> 03:14:25.920
CHARGING FOR LOW INCOME

03:14:25.987 --> 03:14:27.756
CUSTOMERS, I DON'T KNOW THAT

03:14:27.822 --> 03:14:29.424
IT'S NECESSARILY I THINK, YOU

03:14:29.491 --> 03:14:30.592
KNOW, PART OF WHAT WE TALKED

03:14:30.658 --> 03:14:32.427
ABOUT WAS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S

03:14:32.494 --> 03:14:35.630
REGULATED. WE ALSO HAVE TO BE

03:14:35.697 --> 03:14:38.233
CONCERNED WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT

03:14:38.299 --> 03:14:39.734
THE COMPANIES THEMSELVES THAT

03:14:39.801 --> 03:14:41.269
ARE MAKING THESE TECHNOLOGIES.

03:14:41.336 --> 03:14:43.905
THESE ARE NOT TYPICALLY HUGE

03:14:43.972 --> 03:14:46.441
CORPORATIONS THAT ARE HAVE A

03:14:46.508 --> 03:14:49.044
LOT OF WHEREWITHAL TO BE

03:14:49.110 --> 03:14:50.078
SUSTAINING. AND THEY ALSO HAVE

03:14:50.145 --> 03:14:51.479
A BUSINESS THAT THEY NEED TO

03:14:51.546 --> 03:14:53.648
RUN AS WELL. AND SO I THINK

03:14:53.715 --> 03:14:55.116
WE'RE WE MIGHT WANT TO FOCUS

03:14:55.183 --> 03:14:56.985
OUR EFFORTS IS MORE ON WHAT ARE

03:14:57.052 --> 03:14:59.387
SOME ALTERNATIVES, RECOGNIZING

03:14:59.454 --> 03:15:00.855
THAT THE CHARGING COMPANIES

03:15:00.922 --> 03:15:02.590
NEED TO MAKE MONEY AS WELL.

03:15:02.657 --> 03:15:04.459
THERE'S BEEN FITS AND STARTS AS

03:15:04.526 --> 03:15:05.627
TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A

03:15:05.693 --> 03:15:07.429
BUSINESS MODEL THERE, BUT ALSO

03:15:07.495 --> 03:15:08.530
LOOKING AT POSSIBLY WHAT ARE

03:15:08.596 --> 03:15:09.898
SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES LIKE

03:15:09.964 --> 03:15:11.332
CHARGE CARDS. AND THAT'S

03:15:11.399 --> 03:15:12.600
SOMETHING THAT'S GAINED A LOT

03:15:12.667 --> 03:15:13.568
OF TRACTION RECENTLY. THERE'S

03:15:13.635 --> 03:15:15.570
BEEN A NUMBER OF PILOTS.

03:15:15.637 --> 03:15:18.540
THERE'S BEEN PROPOSALS EVEN TO

03:15:18.606 --> 03:15:20.475
ALLOW THE AUTOMAKERS POSSIBLY

03:15:20.542 --> 03:15:22.544
NOT TO HAVE TO PROVIDE A LEVEL

03:15:22.610 --> 03:15:24.646
ONE CORD, BUT INSTEAD TO CHARGE

03:15:24.712 --> 03:15:26.714
TO PROVIDE A CHARGING CARD.

03:15:26.781 --> 03:15:28.616
DIFFERENT COMMUNITY BASED

03:15:28.683 --> 03:15:30.318
ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN WORKING

03:15:30.385 --> 03:15:32.353
ON THESE CHARGING CARD MODELS,

03:15:32.420 --> 03:15:34.322
AND I HAVE SOME STUDIES FROM GO

03:15:34.389 --> 03:15:35.824
BIZ. THEY DID A PILOT ON THIS A

03:15:35.890 --> 03:15:37.659
COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND WE COULD

03:15:37.725 --> 03:15:38.993
SHARE THAT AS WELL. SO SOME OF

03:15:39.060 --> 03:15:40.829
THESE OPTIONS ARE LOOKING TO BE

03:15:40.895 --> 03:15:43.331
A LITTLE BIT MORE PROMISING.

03:15:43.398 --> 03:15:46.701
THANK YOU. I THINK SHE JUST

03:15:46.768 --> 03:15:48.703
SAID IT SUCCINCTLY. THE PEOPLE

03:15:48.770 --> 03:15:51.239
THAT ARE DRIVING THESE CARS AND

03:15:51.306 --> 03:15:52.774
THAT ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM

03:15:52.841 --> 03:15:54.442
WANT TO GET INTO CARS, LOW

03:15:54.509 --> 03:15:56.311
INCOME FAMILIES, THEY DON'T

03:15:56.377 --> 03:15:58.379
HAVE MASTERCARDS IN AMERICAN

03:15:58.446 --> 03:15:59.914
EXPRESS. SO WHEN I SAW THE

03:15:59.981 --> 03:16:02.150
SLIDE DECK OR WHATEVER OF TAP

03:16:02.217 --> 03:16:05.320
AND GO, YOU TRY THAT WITH WHAT

03:16:05.386 --> 03:16:07.822
YOUR PAYPAL CARD THAT'S LIKE,

03:16:07.889 --> 03:16:09.290
THAT'S HIGH LEVEL. THERE'S NO

03:16:09.357 --> 03:16:11.092
PLACE TO TAKE CASH. SO THAT IS

03:16:11.159 --> 03:16:12.727
A MAJOR STUMBLING BLOCK. SO AS

03:16:12.794 --> 03:16:13.828
SHE MENTIONED, THAT WOULD BE

03:16:13.895 --> 03:16:18.666
HUGE RELIEF FOR FAMILIES. I

03:16:18.733 --> 03:16:20.101
THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S

03:16:20.168 --> 03:16:22.203
AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE FUTURE. BUT

03:16:22.270 --> 03:16:23.972
THE CHALLENGE THAT IS BEFORE US

03:16:24.038 --> 03:16:25.840
AS TO HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN

03:16:25.907 --> 03:16:28.143
SOONER, AFFORDABLY AVAILABLE

03:16:28.209 --> 03:16:30.578
AND USABLE TO THE REAL FOLKS.

03:16:30.645 --> 03:16:32.180
BUT THAT IS THAT IS WHERE WE'RE

03:16:32.247 --> 03:16:34.382
HEADED. BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO WE

03:16:34.449 --> 03:16:35.583
HAVE SOME HURDLES TO GET THERE?

03:16:35.650 --> 03:16:38.186
YEAH, I HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT

03:16:38.253 --> 03:16:40.088
I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE IT

03:16:40.155 --> 03:16:42.090
JUST IN A MINUTE. I, I FEEL

03:16:42.157 --> 03:16:44.159
LIKE WE ARE SAYING TWO THINGS.

03:16:44.225 --> 03:16:46.027
I'M JUST GOING TO ADDRESS IT.

03:16:46.094 --> 03:16:47.395
EVS ARE FUN TO DRIVE AND

03:16:47.462 --> 03:16:49.030
THERE'S NO DEMAND. IF THERE

03:16:49.097 --> 03:16:51.799
WERE NOT FUN TO DRIVE, WHERE IS

03:16:51.866 --> 03:16:53.668
THE DEMAND ISSUE? SO I THINK

03:16:53.735 --> 03:16:56.004
LET'S NOT CONFUSE REGULATORY

03:16:56.070 --> 03:16:57.839
UNCERTAINTY FOR MARKET DEMAND.

03:16:57.906 --> 03:16:59.641
WE NEED THE REGULATORY

03:16:59.707 --> 03:17:01.476
CERTAINTY SO THAT THE OEMS AND

03:17:01.543 --> 03:17:02.877
THE MANUFACTURERS PRODUCE THE

03:17:02.944 --> 03:17:04.379
VEHICLES. THEY HAVE A NORTH

03:17:04.445 --> 03:17:05.847
STAR. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AND

03:17:05.914 --> 03:17:07.782
WE HEAR THIS BOTH IN THE LIGHT

03:17:07.849 --> 03:17:10.051
DUTY AND THE HEAVY DUTY SIDE

03:17:10.118 --> 03:17:11.619
TRUCKS, CARS, EVS, THEY'RE FUN

03:17:11.686 --> 03:17:14.789
TO DRIVE. THEY ARE ERGONOMICAL.

03:17:14.856 --> 03:17:15.924
THEY'RE EASIER ON YOUR BODY,

03:17:15.990 --> 03:17:16.691
ESPECIALLY FOR TRUCK DRIVERS

03:17:16.758 --> 03:17:18.426
WHO ARE DRIVING EIGHT HOURS ON

03:17:18.493 --> 03:17:20.862
THE ROAD. DRAINAGE VEHICLES.

03:17:20.929 --> 03:17:23.431
PEOPLE WANT TO KEEP BUYING THEM.

03:17:23.498 --> 03:17:24.666
I THINK THE OTHER COUPLE OF

03:17:24.732 --> 03:17:25.767
THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T TALK

03:17:25.833 --> 03:17:27.769
ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO COSTS,

03:17:27.835 --> 03:17:29.237
ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO

03:17:29.304 --> 03:17:30.205
CALIFORNIA. SO CALIFORNIA HAS

03:17:30.271 --> 03:17:32.073
POWER FORWARD, WHICH IS A

03:17:32.140 --> 03:17:34.242
BATTERY PROGRAM. THIS IS, YOU

03:17:34.309 --> 03:17:36.077
KNOW, BATTERIES ARE ONE OF THE

03:17:36.144 --> 03:17:38.279
REASONS WHY THE COSTS ARE HIGH.

03:17:38.346 --> 03:17:40.281
WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF

03:17:40.348 --> 03:17:41.282
INVESTING IN THE TECHNOLOGIES.

03:17:41.349 --> 03:17:43.585
I THINK CALIFORNIA HAS AMAZING

03:17:43.651 --> 03:17:44.686
TECHNOLOGIES AVAILABLE TO THEM.

03:17:44.752 --> 03:17:46.120
THERE'S BUSINESSES HERE THAT

03:17:46.187 --> 03:17:48.323
ARE INVESTING IN THE FUTURE OF

03:17:48.389 --> 03:17:49.357
BATTERIES AND, AND HELPING TO

03:17:49.424 --> 03:17:51.459
DRAW DOWN THE COST SO MORE

03:17:51.526 --> 03:17:52.794
INVESTMENT INTO POWER FORWARD.

03:17:52.860 --> 03:17:55.129
THE PROGRAM TO BRING THOSE

03:17:55.196 --> 03:17:56.631
COSTS DOWN WILL BE HELPFUL. AND

03:17:56.698 --> 03:17:57.999
THEN JUST PUTTING A FINER POINT

03:17:58.066 --> 03:18:01.202
ON THE TNC PROGRAM, OBVIOUSLY,

03:18:01.269 --> 03:18:03.037
THIS ALSO GOES TO MY FIRST

03:18:03.104 --> 03:18:04.372
POINT. EVS ARE FUN TO DRIVE,

03:18:04.439 --> 03:18:06.241
UBER DRIVERS PREFER, AND LYFT

03:18:06.307 --> 03:18:08.076
DRIVERS PREFER TO BE IN AN EV.

03:18:08.142 --> 03:18:09.077
SO ENSURING THAT WE'RE

03:18:09.143 --> 03:18:10.278
CONTINUING THAT PROGRAM THAT

03:18:10.345 --> 03:18:11.913
HAS BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL SO

03:18:11.980 --> 03:18:13.014
THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO

03:18:13.081 --> 03:18:14.849
DRIVE IN AN EV. I ALWAYS

03:18:14.916 --> 03:18:19.954
THOUGHT THAT. A FEW THINGS.

03:18:20.021 --> 03:18:21.789
FIRST, JUST COMMENDING THE

03:18:21.856 --> 03:18:23.124
STATE OF CALIFORNIA FOR

03:18:23.191 --> 03:18:25.293
THINKING ABOUT POLICY AS

03:18:25.360 --> 03:18:26.794
EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT

03:18:26.861 --> 03:18:28.162
ONCE IS REALLY, REALLY

03:18:28.229 --> 03:18:29.364
IMPORTANT. I MEAN, I THINK

03:18:29.430 --> 03:18:31.466
YOU'VE HEARD JUST AN ARRAY OF

03:18:31.532 --> 03:18:32.934
IDEAS HERE. YOU HAVE MANY MORE

03:18:33.001 --> 03:18:34.435
ON YOUR OWN. I TELL MY STUDENTS

03:18:34.502 --> 03:18:35.737
ALL THE TIME, CALIFORNIA

03:18:35.803 --> 03:18:36.838
CODIFIES EVERYTHING. THAT'S

03:18:36.904 --> 03:18:38.306
BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE IS

03:18:38.373 --> 03:18:40.141
SUPER ACTIVE AND SUPER

03:18:40.208 --> 03:18:41.175
PROFESSIONAL, AND THAT IS A

03:18:41.242 --> 03:18:43.411
HUGE ASSET IN TRYING TO TACKLE

03:18:43.478 --> 03:18:45.179
WHAT IS AN EXTRAORDINARY

03:18:45.246 --> 03:18:46.180
CHALLENGE. AS CRAIG PUT IT,

03:18:46.247 --> 03:18:49.450
THIS IS A MASSIVE ECONOMIC

03:18:49.517 --> 03:18:50.551
TRANSFORMATION AND IT'S NOT

03:18:50.618 --> 03:18:52.654
SIMPLE IN ANY RESPECT. SO I

03:18:52.720 --> 03:18:54.155
GUESS THAT'S THAT'S JUST A SORT

03:18:54.222 --> 03:18:56.691
OF AN OBSERVATION ABOUT THE

03:18:56.758 --> 03:18:57.825
RESOURCES THAT THE STATE BRINGS

03:18:57.892 --> 03:19:00.595
TO THE TABLE IN YOUR EXPERTISE,

03:19:00.662 --> 03:19:03.765
YOUR AMBITION, YOUR WILLINGNESS

03:19:03.831 --> 03:19:05.366
TO INTRODUCE LEGISLATION, TO

03:19:05.433 --> 03:19:06.934
WORK IT OUT, TO WORK WITH

03:19:07.001 --> 03:19:08.002
STAKEHOLDERS. WE DON'T SEE THAT

03:19:08.069 --> 03:19:10.071
IN A LOT OF STATES. AND I JUST

03:19:10.138 --> 03:19:11.439
THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING, I

03:19:11.506 --> 03:19:13.908
GUESS SECONDLY, AND AND I THINK

03:19:13.975 --> 03:19:15.310
CALIFORNIA NEEDS TO PLAY A ROLE

03:19:15.376 --> 03:19:17.211
HERE. I REALLY DO THINK WE NEED

03:19:17.278 --> 03:19:18.346
TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE REVAMP

03:19:18.413 --> 03:19:19.347
REGULATORY POLICY. I THINK

03:19:19.414 --> 03:19:21.215
THERE ARE HUGE PROBLEMS AT THE

03:19:21.282 --> 03:19:22.784
FEDERAL LEVEL. HAVING SERVED AS

03:19:22.850 --> 03:19:24.819
THE HEAD OF NHTSA, I WILL TELL

03:19:24.886 --> 03:19:26.521
YOU THAT THE CAFE RULEMAKING,

03:19:26.587 --> 03:19:28.523
COMBINED WITH GHG RULEMAKING

03:19:28.589 --> 03:19:29.791
COMBINED WITH CALIFORNIA, WAS

03:19:29.857 --> 03:19:30.858
FAR AND AWAY THE MOST

03:19:30.925 --> 03:19:32.260
COMPLICATED AND FRUSTRATING

03:19:32.327 --> 03:19:34.262
THING I DID. AND WE WE PASSED

03:19:34.329 --> 03:19:35.930
SOMETHING LIKE 30 RULES,

03:19:35.997 --> 03:19:38.032
INCLUDING VERY, VERY STRONG

03:19:38.099 --> 03:19:39.434
SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR

03:19:39.500 --> 03:19:40.868
AUTOMATIC EMERGENCY BRAKING AND

03:19:40.935 --> 03:19:41.836
SO FORTH. THERE'S SOMETHING

03:19:41.903 --> 03:19:43.838
WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM, AND

03:19:43.905 --> 03:19:44.539
PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE

03:19:44.605 --> 03:19:45.340
WHIPSAWING, THE WHIPSAWING IS

03:19:45.406 --> 03:19:47.742
JUST NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY. I

03:19:47.809 --> 03:19:49.243
THINK THERE MAY BE WAYS TO AT

03:19:49.310 --> 03:19:51.312
LEAST REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF

03:19:51.379 --> 03:19:53.181
WHIPLASH GOING FORWARD. AND

03:19:53.247 --> 03:19:55.016
THEN THE THIRD THING IS JUST TO

03:19:55.083 --> 03:19:57.185
ALWAYS FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT

03:19:57.251 --> 03:19:59.020
WE STILL HAVE AIR POLLUTION

03:19:59.087 --> 03:20:00.388
PROBLEMS. AND ONE OF THE GREAT

03:20:00.455 --> 03:20:02.957
THINGS ABOUT REGULATING AIR

03:20:03.024 --> 03:20:04.359
POLLUTION IS THAT WE FREQUENTLY

03:20:04.425 --> 03:20:05.760
ALSO GET THE CO-BENEFIT OF

03:20:05.827 --> 03:20:07.595
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION

03:20:07.662 --> 03:20:09.430
REDUCTION. AND I THINK

03:20:09.497 --> 03:20:10.832
OFTENTIMES OUR FIRST MOVE

03:20:10.898 --> 03:20:12.667
SHOULD BE ABOUT THINKING ABOUT

03:20:12.734 --> 03:20:14.402
REDUCING AIR POLLUTION. AND WE

03:20:14.469 --> 03:20:16.037
GET THE GREAT BENEFIT. AND THAT

03:20:16.104 --> 03:20:17.105
THAT IS TRUE. ABSOLUTELY. IN

03:20:17.171 --> 03:20:18.439
THE VEHICLE MARKET, THERE'S NO

03:20:18.506 --> 03:20:19.407
QUESTION IN THE HEAVY DUTY

03:20:19.474 --> 03:20:21.008
SECTOR AND THE LIGHT DUTY

03:20:21.075 --> 03:20:22.443
SECTOR WE NEED TO ELECTRIFY. WE

03:20:22.510 --> 03:20:23.978
WILL NEVER COME INTO COMPLIANCE

03:20:24.045 --> 03:20:25.580
WITH THE CLEAN AIR ACT UNLESS

03:20:25.646 --> 03:20:27.482
WE DO SO. AND WE GET THE ADDED

03:20:27.548 --> 03:20:29.050
BENEFIT THAT ZERO EMISSION

03:20:29.117 --> 03:20:31.018
VEHICLES ALSO DON'T EMIT CARBON.

03:20:31.085 --> 03:20:32.453
IF WE HAVE ELECTRICITY COMING

03:20:32.520 --> 03:20:35.656
FROM THE RIGHT PLACES, RIGHT?

03:20:35.723 --> 03:20:37.725
CAN WE GIVE OUR PANEL A BIG

03:20:37.792 --> 03:20:44.899
ROUND OF APPLAUSE? JUST AND

03:20:44.966 --> 03:20:46.300
REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU

03:20:46.367 --> 03:20:48.903
JOINING US TODAY. THIS WAS VERY

03:20:48.970 --> 03:20:51.038
INFORMATIVE AND LIKE A GREAT

03:20:51.105 --> 03:20:53.174
DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS HERE AND

03:20:53.241 --> 03:20:55.009
BACKGROUNDS. AND SO WE REALLY

03:20:55.076 --> 03:20:56.744
APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US TODAY

03:20:56.811 --> 03:20:59.247
AND FOR INVITING US. THANK YOU.

03:20:59.313 --> 03:21:01.449
AND NOW WE DO HAVE AN

03:21:01.516 --> 03:21:02.884
OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

03:21:02.950 --> 03:21:06.487
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LIMIT

03:21:06.554 --> 03:21:09.357
YOUR COMMENT TO OR MAYBE AROUND

03:21:09.424 --> 03:21:14.028
TWO MINUTES OR SO. YOU CAN STAY

03:21:14.095 --> 03:21:15.463
OR MOVE OR WHATEVER YOU WOULD

03:21:15.530 --> 03:21:18.800
LIKE TO DO. GOOD AFTERNOON. TOM

03:21:18.866 --> 03:21:20.234
VAN HICKEY, I'M SENIOR POLICY

03:21:20.301 --> 03:21:21.803
ADVISOR AT RIVIAN AUTOMOTIVE.

03:21:21.869 --> 03:21:22.737
WE'RE A CALIFORNIA

03:21:22.804 --> 03:21:24.505
HEADQUARTERED COMPANY. WE'RE A

03:21:24.572 --> 03:21:26.307
MANUFACTURER OF EVS AND A

03:21:26.374 --> 03:21:27.442
RAPIDLY GROWING CHARGING

03:21:27.508 --> 03:21:29.177
NETWORK OPERATOR AS WELL. SORT

03:21:29.243 --> 03:21:30.445
OF ON THE ON THE TESLA MODEL,

03:21:30.511 --> 03:21:32.246
IF YOU WILL. I HOPE THERE

03:21:32.313 --> 03:21:33.314
WASN'T AN ORDER. AND I JUST

03:21:33.381 --> 03:21:35.249
JUMPED TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE.

03:21:35.316 --> 03:21:37.151
LOOK, I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR

03:21:37.218 --> 03:21:38.152
AND YOU'VE HEARD THAT

03:21:38.219 --> 03:21:39.120
CALIFORNIA HAS A TREMENDOUS

03:21:39.187 --> 03:21:40.321
LEGACY OF LEADERSHIP ON EVS. WE

03:21:40.388 --> 03:21:42.523
ALL OWE A GREAT DEAL TO THAT.

03:21:42.590 --> 03:21:43.658
IT'S A VISION FOR THE FUTURE

03:21:43.724 --> 03:21:45.259
THAT HAS HELPED TO GIVE RISE TO

03:21:45.326 --> 03:21:47.161
THE INDUSTRY THAT RIVIAN IS A

03:21:47.228 --> 03:21:49.297
PART OF. SO TO START WITH, I DO

03:21:49.363 --> 03:21:51.232
WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE

03:21:51.299 --> 03:21:52.967
LEGISLATURE FOR THE MY FIRST EV

03:21:53.034 --> 03:21:53.568
PROGRAM, WHERE PARTICIPANTS IN

03:21:53.634 --> 03:21:54.735
THAT PROGRAM, OUR CUSTOMERS ARE

03:21:54.802 --> 03:21:56.237
BENEFITING FROM IT. TODAY, I

03:21:56.304 --> 03:21:57.638
WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE

03:21:57.705 --> 03:21:59.307
LEGISLATURE AND TO THE CÁC FOR

03:21:59.373 --> 03:22:00.508
THE ONGOING DURABLE FUNDING,

03:22:00.575 --> 03:22:02.009
SUPPORT FOR BUILDING OUT PUBLIC

03:22:02.076 --> 03:22:03.377
CHARGING IN CALIFORNIA. THAT'S

03:22:03.444 --> 03:22:04.912
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND WE'RE

03:22:04.979 --> 03:22:06.447
EXCITED ABOUT CARB'S CONTINUED

03:22:06.514 --> 03:22:08.015
WORK TO DEVELOP A FUTURE

03:22:08.082 --> 03:22:09.116
GENERATION OF EMISSION

03:22:09.183 --> 03:22:10.585
STANDARDS THAT CAN HELP INSPIRE

03:22:10.651 --> 03:22:12.053
CONTINUED INNOVATION FROM THE

03:22:12.119 --> 03:22:13.754
AUTO INDUSTRY. WE'RE PART OF

03:22:13.821 --> 03:22:14.822
THAT PROCESS. WE LOOK FORWARD

03:22:14.889 --> 03:22:15.923
TO CONTINUING TO BE PART OF

03:22:15.990 --> 03:22:17.792
THAT PROCESS. ALL OF THIS IS

03:22:17.859 --> 03:22:18.826
REALLY, REALLY GOOD. AT THE

03:22:18.893 --> 03:22:20.695
SAME TIME, I THINK THIS IS A

03:22:20.761 --> 03:22:21.829
REALLY EXCITING MOMENT TO LOOK

03:22:21.896 --> 03:22:23.130
AHEAD AND THINK CREATIVELY AND

03:22:23.197 --> 03:22:24.699
BOLDLY ABOUT WHAT ELSE IS

03:22:24.765 --> 03:22:25.900
POSSIBLE. AND I THINK YOU HEARD

03:22:25.967 --> 03:22:27.001
A NUMBER OF REALLY EXCITING

03:22:27.068 --> 03:22:28.803
IDEAS FROM THE PANEL JUST NOW.

03:22:28.870 --> 03:22:30.738
I HOPE THAT SOME OF WHAT I'M

03:22:30.805 --> 03:22:31.839
JUST GOING TO TOUCH ON VERY

03:22:31.906 --> 03:22:33.107
BRIEFLY AT LEAST, RHYMES WITH

03:22:33.174 --> 03:22:34.809
THAT AND SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW,

03:22:34.876 --> 03:22:35.910
WE'RE STARTING TO ALL PUSH IN

03:22:35.977 --> 03:22:37.912
THE SAME IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

03:22:37.979 --> 03:22:39.046
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER

03:22:39.113 --> 03:22:40.848
OF THINGS WE COULD TALK ABOUT

03:22:40.915 --> 03:22:41.916
HERE. I'M GOING TO I'M JUST

03:22:41.983 --> 03:22:43.751
GOING TO SORT OF SUMMARIZE A

03:22:43.818 --> 03:22:45.686
FEW OF THE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE

03:22:45.753 --> 03:22:46.954
THAT I'M HAPPY TO GET INTO MORE

03:22:47.021 --> 03:22:48.789
DETAIL ON AT SOME POINT. BUT,

03:22:48.856 --> 03:22:50.091
YOU KNOW, ONE THING TO CONSIDER,

03:22:50.157 --> 03:22:51.692
PERHAPS IS TO ESTABLISH A

03:22:51.759 --> 03:22:52.727
DEDICATED EV TRANSITION ACCOUNT

03:22:52.793 --> 03:22:53.928
IN THE STATE BUDGET TO SUPPORT

03:22:53.995 --> 03:22:54.829
ONGOING INVESTMENTS IN THIS

03:22:54.896 --> 03:22:55.963
AREA, WHETHER IT'S INCENTIVES,

03:22:56.030 --> 03:22:56.797
INFRASTRUCTURE, OR OTHER

03:22:56.864 --> 03:22:57.698
INITIATIVES TO PROVIDE

03:22:57.765 --> 03:22:58.733
CERTAINTY AND SORT OF A

03:22:58.799 --> 03:22:59.867
DEDICATED POOL FOR THAT FOR

03:22:59.934 --> 03:23:01.002
THAT KIND OF WORK. CALLING

03:23:01.068 --> 03:23:03.104
CAPITAL TO MARKET WITH REVERSE

03:23:03.170 --> 03:23:04.639
AUCTION INCENTIVES OR LOW AND

03:23:04.705 --> 03:23:06.340
NO INTEREST REVOLVING LOAN

03:23:06.407 --> 03:23:07.808
FUNDS THAT TARGET PRIORITY

03:23:07.875 --> 03:23:09.210
FLEETS, INCLUDING THE LOCAL

03:23:09.277 --> 03:23:10.278
GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE WORKING

03:23:10.344 --> 03:23:12.179
HARD TO ELECTRIFY THEIR

03:23:12.246 --> 03:23:14.282
OPERATIONS, ADDRESSING MARKET

03:23:14.348 --> 03:23:16.117
FAILURES IN PUBLIC CHARGING,

03:23:16.183 --> 03:23:17.218
NAMELY THE CHALLENGE OF

03:23:17.285 --> 03:23:18.252
PROVIDING CHARGING AND CRUCIAL

03:23:18.319 --> 03:23:19.687
BUT OFTEN UNECONOMICAL

03:23:19.754 --> 03:23:21.188
LOCATIONS ACROSS THE STATE THAT

03:23:21.255 --> 03:23:22.156
COULD BE RURAL COMMUNITIES. IT

03:23:22.223 --> 03:23:23.624
COULD BE UNDERSERVED URBAN

03:23:23.691 --> 03:23:26.360
COMMUNITIES AS WELL, LEVERAGING

03:23:26.427 --> 03:23:27.595
THE POWER OF THE STATE TO

03:23:27.662 --> 03:23:28.663
STRENGTHEN THE DRIVE FORWARD

03:23:28.729 --> 03:23:30.498
LEADERS PROGRAM THAT THE AIR

03:23:30.565 --> 03:23:32.333
RESOURCES BOARD ALREADY

03:23:32.400 --> 03:23:33.801
OPERATES, AND EXPLORING

03:23:33.868 --> 03:23:34.902
OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOTH NEW

03:23:34.969 --> 03:23:35.603
REGULATORY INITIATIVES, LIKE

03:23:35.670 --> 03:23:37.138
THE INDIRECT SOURCE RULE IDEA

03:23:37.204 --> 03:23:38.105
THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A

03:23:38.172 --> 03:23:39.707
LITTLE BIT TODAY, AND LEADING

03:23:39.774 --> 03:23:41.309
THE NATION WITH A MULTI-STATE

03:23:41.375 --> 03:23:42.343
PROCUREMENT OF EVS FOR

03:23:42.410 --> 03:23:43.411
GOVERNMENT FLEETS, DRIVING

03:23:43.477 --> 03:23:44.912
SCALE INTO THAT, INTO THAT

03:23:44.979 --> 03:23:47.748
BUSINESS, AND FINALLY ACTING

03:23:47.815 --> 03:23:48.816
STRATEGICALLY TO ENABLE

03:23:48.883 --> 03:23:49.951
BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGING

03:23:50.017 --> 03:23:51.385
TECHNOLOGY TO GO TO MARKET AND

03:23:51.452 --> 03:23:52.553
DELIVER VALUE FOR CUSTOMERS IN

03:23:52.620 --> 03:23:54.221
THE STATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE,

03:23:54.288 --> 03:23:56.424
PERHAPS IN A PHASED APPROACH.

03:23:56.490 --> 03:23:57.692
SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK FORWARD

03:23:57.758 --> 03:23:58.759
TO WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH

03:23:58.826 --> 03:24:00.428
EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM ON THESE

03:24:00.494 --> 03:24:01.562
IDEAS. THERE'S A LOT MORE TO

03:24:01.629 --> 03:24:03.464
SAY. WE'LL BE GLAD TO SHARE

03:24:03.531 --> 03:24:04.432
ADDITIONAL DETAILS. PERHAPS WE

03:24:04.498 --> 03:24:05.600
CAN PROVIDE SOME WRITTEN FOLLOW

03:24:05.666 --> 03:24:06.801
UP. BUT THANKS AGAIN FOR NOW

03:24:06.867 --> 03:24:07.868
FOR CONVENING THIS IMPORTANT

03:24:07.935 --> 03:24:09.403
DISCUSSION. I HOPE IT'S THE

03:24:09.470 --> 03:24:10.571
BEGINNING OF MANY MORE, AND FOR

03:24:10.638 --> 03:24:11.672
THE CHANCE TO OFFER SOME

03:24:11.739 --> 03:24:12.673
REFLECTIONS ON THAT. THANKS

03:24:12.740 --> 03:24:17.645
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD

03:24:17.712 --> 03:24:19.280
AFTERNOON, HONORABLE CHAIRS.

03:24:19.347 --> 03:24:20.848
CHRIS CHÁVEZ ÁP POLICY DIRECTOR,

03:24:20.915 --> 03:24:22.016
COALITION FOR CLEAN AIR. THANK

03:24:22.083 --> 03:24:24.518
YOU FOR HAVING THIS HEARING.

03:24:24.585 --> 03:24:25.553
ONE THING I APPRECIATE THE

03:24:25.620 --> 03:24:27.388
COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING IS

03:24:27.455 --> 03:24:29.557
THAT WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT THAT

03:24:29.624 --> 03:24:30.891
CALIFORNIA'S EFFORTS TO SUPPORT

03:24:30.958 --> 03:24:33.127
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION ARE ROOTED

03:24:33.194 --> 03:24:34.595
IN THE STATE'S PERSISTENT AIR

03:24:34.662 --> 03:24:36.364
QUALITY CRISIS. SIMPLY PUT,

03:24:36.430 --> 03:24:37.898
CALIFORNIA CANNOT HAVE CLEAN

03:24:37.965 --> 03:24:39.567
AIR WITHOUT CLEANING UP THE

03:24:39.634 --> 03:24:41.369
TRANSPORTATION SECTOR. NEARLY

03:24:41.435 --> 03:24:42.837
50% OF OUR STATE'S GREENHOUSE

03:24:42.903 --> 03:24:45.072
GAS EMISSIONS COMES FROM

03:24:45.139 --> 03:24:46.874
TRANSPORTATION, 80% OF OUR SMOG

03:24:46.941 --> 03:24:49.310
FORMING POLLUTION AND 95% OF

03:24:49.377 --> 03:24:50.378
CARCINOGENIC DIESEL PARTICULATE

03:24:50.444 --> 03:24:51.846
MATTER IS FROM THE

03:24:51.912 --> 03:24:54.015
TRANSPORTATION SECTOR. WE

03:24:54.081 --> 03:24:55.483
SUPPORT A THREE PRONGED

03:24:55.549 --> 03:24:56.917
STRATEGY TO CLEAN OUR AIR. ONE

03:24:56.984 --> 03:24:58.686
IS CREATING MORE WALKABLE,

03:24:58.753 --> 03:25:00.821
BIKEABLE AND TRANSIT ORIENTED

03:25:00.888 --> 03:25:03.090
COMMUNITIES. TWO IS SUPPORTING

03:25:03.157 --> 03:25:04.825
STRONG RULES, INCLUDING

03:25:04.892 --> 03:25:06.594
INDIRECT SOURCE RULES, TO

03:25:06.661 --> 03:25:07.528
ACCELERATE THE TRANSITION

03:25:07.595 --> 03:25:09.263
TOWARDS ELECTRIC VEHICLES, AND

03:25:09.330 --> 03:25:10.898
THREE ARE INCENTIVES TO SUPPORT

03:25:10.965 --> 03:25:12.733
LOW INCOME AND DISADVANTAGED

03:25:12.800 --> 03:25:13.801
COMMUNITIES IN THEIR ABILITY TO

03:25:13.868 --> 03:25:15.603
PURCHASE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND

03:25:15.670 --> 03:25:16.937
CHARGERS, AS WELL AS INCENTIVES

03:25:17.004 --> 03:25:19.073
FOR TRUCKING, TRANSIT AGENCIES

03:25:19.140 --> 03:25:21.409
AND SCHOOLS FOR FLEETS TO

03:25:21.475 --> 03:25:22.443
OPERATE IN, PARTICULARLY

03:25:22.510 --> 03:25:23.511
BECAUSE THOSE FLEETS OPERATE IN

03:25:23.577 --> 03:25:24.979
POLLUTION BURDENS.

03:25:25.046 --> 03:25:26.380
SOCIOECONOMICALLY VULNERABLE

03:25:26.447 --> 03:25:28.516
COMMUNITIES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT

03:25:28.582 --> 03:25:29.650
CALIFORNIA IS FACING

03:25:29.717 --> 03:25:30.685
CHALLENGING HEADWINDS DUE TO

03:25:30.751 --> 03:25:32.186
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S

03:25:32.253 --> 03:25:33.387
HOSTILITY TOWARDS CLEAN ENERGY

03:25:33.454 --> 03:25:35.122
AND CLEAN TRANSPORTATION. AT

03:25:35.189 --> 03:25:36.090
THE SAME TIME, THE STATE'S

03:25:36.157 --> 03:25:37.992
BUDGET CHOICES HAVE DISPLACED

03:25:38.059 --> 03:25:39.727
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION, CLEAN

03:25:39.794 --> 03:25:41.228
MOBILITY AND TRANSIT HAVE

03:25:41.295 --> 03:25:44.098
LARGELY DISPLACED THOSE FROM

03:25:44.165 --> 03:25:45.533
CALIFORNIA'S CLIMATE

03:25:45.599 --> 03:25:46.634
INVESTMENTS. THOUGH WE

03:25:46.701 --> 03:25:49.437
APPRECIATE THE 2026 2027 BUDGET

03:25:49.503 --> 03:25:51.972
COMMITTING 2020 MILLION

03:25:52.039 --> 03:25:53.007
COLLECTIVELY TO THE FIVE

03:25:53.074 --> 03:25:55.609
REGIONAL AIR CLEAN CARS FOR ALL

03:25:55.676 --> 03:25:56.777
PROGRAMS. IT FALLS FAR SHORT OF

03:25:56.844 --> 03:25:59.313
THE 120 MILLION A YEAR NEEDED

03:25:59.380 --> 03:26:01.549
TO SATISFY DEMAND. SIMILARLY,

03:26:01.615 --> 03:26:03.851
THE 135 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR

03:26:03.918 --> 03:26:04.985
MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY

03:26:05.052 --> 03:26:06.754
INCENTIVES ONLY ADDRESSES A

03:26:06.821 --> 03:26:08.556
THIRD OF WHAT CARB'S PROJECTED

03:26:08.622 --> 03:26:11.425
H PROJECTION OR NEEDS ACTUALLY

03:26:11.492 --> 03:26:13.561
ARE. MEANWHILE, THE MOST RECENT

03:26:13.627 --> 03:26:14.662
CYCLE OF THE ACTIVE

03:26:14.729 --> 03:26:16.097
TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM OF THE

03:26:16.163 --> 03:26:18.265
MORE THAN 300 SUBMITTED

03:26:18.332 --> 03:26:20.701
APPLICATIONS, ATP CAN ONLY FUND

03:26:20.768 --> 03:26:23.637
13 OF THEM. ONE OTHER THING I

03:26:23.704 --> 03:26:24.739
WOULD NOTE FOR CLEAN CARS FOR

03:26:24.805 --> 03:26:26.540
ALL. AND THIS IS ANOTHER YEAR

03:26:26.607 --> 03:26:27.942
WHERE THOSE PROGRAMS ARE NOT

03:26:28.008 --> 03:26:30.111
DIRECTLY RECEIVING GREEN. ANY

03:26:30.177 --> 03:26:31.946
GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION FUNDS

03:26:32.012 --> 03:26:33.681
FOR CLEAN CARS. FOR ALL THAT

03:26:33.748 --> 03:26:35.182
CAME OUT OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE

03:26:35.249 --> 03:26:35.916
ACCOUNT, WHICH WAS MONEY THAT

03:26:35.983 --> 03:26:37.752
HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN FROM THE

03:26:37.818 --> 03:26:39.086
GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION FUND.

03:26:39.153 --> 03:26:40.821
AND FOR THAT MONEY IS COMING

03:26:40.888 --> 03:26:41.922
FROM THE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL

03:26:41.989 --> 03:26:44.225
FUND. THIS IS A CHALLENGING

03:26:44.291 --> 03:26:45.392
TIME FOR THE STATE, BOTH

03:26:45.459 --> 03:26:47.094
FISCALLY AND POLITICALLY. WE

03:26:47.161 --> 03:26:48.896
CANNOT, HOWEVER, VIEW CLEAN

03:26:48.963 --> 03:26:50.264
TRANSPORTATION AS A NICE. TO

03:26:50.331 --> 03:26:51.732
HAVE. RATHER CLEAN

03:26:51.799 --> 03:26:52.967
TRANSPORTATION IS AN INVESTMENT

03:26:53.033 --> 03:26:54.268
IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR

03:26:54.335 --> 03:26:55.669
PUBLIC HEALTH, AS WELL AS

03:26:55.736 --> 03:26:57.371
DIRECTLY ADDRESSES ONE OF THE

03:26:57.438 --> 03:26:58.572
MAIN AFFORDABILITY DRIVERS

03:26:58.639 --> 03:27:00.708
FACING CALIFORNIA FAMILIES.

03:27:00.775 --> 03:27:01.709
TRANSPORTATION. THANK YOU FOR

03:27:01.776 --> 03:27:05.780
YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. GOOD

03:27:05.846 --> 03:27:06.981
AFTERNOON, ROCKY FERNANDEZ WITH

03:27:07.047 --> 03:27:08.616
THE CENTER FOR SUSTAINABLE

03:27:08.682 --> 03:27:10.151
ENERGY. I WANTED TO MAKE THREE

03:27:10.217 --> 03:27:12.286
Kò KIND OF UPDATES IN THIS

03:27:12.353 --> 03:27:14.054
REALM. ONE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO

03:27:14.121 --> 03:27:15.556
WORKING WITH THE NEW

03:27:15.623 --> 03:27:16.924
LEGISLATURE AND NEW GOVERNOR TO

03:27:16.991 --> 03:27:19.460
HOPEFULLY CONTINUE MY FIRST EV

03:27:19.527 --> 03:27:20.694
TAKE A LOT OF THE LESSONS

03:27:20.761 --> 03:27:21.996
LEARNED FROM THE CLEAN VEHICLE

03:27:22.062 --> 03:27:23.497
REBATE PROJECT THAT WE WORKED

03:27:23.564 --> 03:27:24.598
ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WE ALSO

03:27:24.665 --> 03:27:26.467
DO THIS IN SEVERAL OTHER STATES.

03:27:26.534 --> 03:27:27.768
WE ALSO WORK ON CLEAN CARS FOR

03:27:27.835 --> 03:27:29.670
ALL. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF

03:27:29.737 --> 03:27:31.672
WORK TO DO TO FINE TUNE THE

03:27:31.739 --> 03:27:33.240
PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD, BUT WE

03:27:33.307 --> 03:27:34.942
HAVE A LOT OF LESSONS LEARNED

03:27:35.009 --> 03:27:36.710
FROM ALL THESE THINGS. SECOND,

03:27:36.777 --> 03:27:38.179
WE ALSO WORK ON THE ELECTRIC

03:27:38.245 --> 03:27:39.613
VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT

03:27:39.680 --> 03:27:41.081
WITH MR. READER AND

03:27:41.148 --> 03:27:42.883
COMMISSIONER SKINNER, AND WE'RE

03:27:42.950 --> 03:27:44.285
VERY EXCITED TO SAY THAT THE

03:27:44.351 --> 03:27:46.120
PROGRAM HAS BECOME INCREDIBLY

03:27:46.187 --> 03:27:48.255
POPULAR, AND WE'VE TAKEN A LOT

03:27:48.322 --> 03:27:50.424
OF GOOD WORK WITH WITH SPENCER

03:27:50.491 --> 03:27:52.326
AND THE COMMISSIONER TO CUT

03:27:52.393 --> 03:27:54.428
DOWN THE AVERAGE INSTALLATION

03:27:54.495 --> 03:27:55.796
FOR DC FAST CHARGING FROM

03:27:55.863 --> 03:27:57.531
AROUND 500 DAYS TO AROUND A

03:27:57.598 --> 03:27:59.099
THIRD OF THAT, AND WE'VE

03:27:59.166 --> 03:28:00.301
COMPLETED OUR FASTEST PROJECT

03:28:00.367 --> 03:28:02.937
IN AS LOW AS 41 DAYS FROM START

03:28:03.003 --> 03:28:05.573
TO FINISH. THIRD, WE'RE ALSO

03:28:05.639 --> 03:28:07.508
VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT BIG

03:28:07.575 --> 03:28:09.176
EVENT THAT'S COMING UP IN TWO

03:28:09.243 --> 03:28:10.911
WEEKS. NOT TALKING ABOUT THE

03:28:10.978 --> 03:28:12.046
ELECTION. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE

03:28:12.112 --> 03:28:14.348
ROLLOUT OF THE RIDE PROGRAM,

03:28:14.415 --> 03:28:15.583
THE RIDESHARE INCENTIVE PROGRAM

03:28:15.649 --> 03:28:17.051
THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE

03:28:17.117 --> 03:28:18.485
CPUC AND THE RIDESHARE

03:28:18.552 --> 03:28:19.553
COMPANIES WITH. HOPEFULLY,

03:28:19.620 --> 03:28:20.621
WE'LL COME BACK NEXT YEAR TO

03:28:20.688 --> 03:28:22.323
THIS COMMITTEE AND HAVE A GREAT

03:28:22.389 --> 03:28:23.657
UPDATES TO GIVE. SO THANKS

03:28:23.724 --> 03:28:25.626
AGAIN AND HAVE A GREAT LUNCH.

03:28:25.693 --> 03:28:30.030
THANK YOU. HI, I'M REUBEN

03:28:30.097 --> 03:28:31.498
ARONIN WITH THE BETTER WORLD

03:28:31.565 --> 03:28:33.200
GROUP. WE SUPPORT EV

03:28:33.267 --> 03:28:34.468
STAKEHOLDERS AND ADVOCATES HERE

03:28:34.535 --> 03:28:36.136
IN CALIFORNIA AND IN STATES

03:28:36.203 --> 03:28:37.905
ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND I WANT

03:28:37.972 --> 03:28:40.107
TO AS WE JUST CELEBRATED THE AB

03:28:40.174 --> 03:28:42.643
32 20TH ANNIVERSARY, COMMEND

03:28:42.710 --> 03:28:44.812
YOU AND THE LEGISLATIVE

03:28:44.879 --> 03:28:46.247
LEADERSHIP OVER THE LAST TWO

03:28:46.313 --> 03:28:49.116
DECADES AROUND OUR CLIMATE AND

03:28:49.183 --> 03:28:51.185
CLEAN TRANSPORTATION POLICIES.

03:28:51.252 --> 03:28:53.020
AND WE NEED TO SEE THAT

03:28:53.087 --> 03:28:54.054
CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT AND

03:28:54.121 --> 03:28:55.923
LEADERSHIP FROM THE LEGISLATURE

03:28:55.990 --> 03:28:58.425
IN POLICY VEHICLES. A FEW

03:28:58.492 --> 03:29:00.227
THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD

03:29:00.294 --> 03:29:02.129
TODAY WITH REGARDS TO THE SKIN

03:29:02.196 --> 03:29:03.764
FROM THE AUTOMAKERS. FOR THE MY

03:29:03.831 --> 03:29:05.432
FIRST TV PROGRAM, I'D ENCOURAGE

03:29:05.499 --> 03:29:07.401
THE LEGISLATURE TO LOOK AT

03:29:07.468 --> 03:29:09.236
WHERE Ã REQUIREMENTS FOR

03:29:09.303 --> 03:29:11.438
PLACING AFFORDABLE EVS AND

03:29:11.505 --> 03:29:12.806
THRESHOLD NUMBER OF DEPLOYMENTS

03:29:12.873 --> 03:29:15.042
TO CALIFORNIA WOULD BE A

03:29:15.109 --> 03:29:16.377
QUALIFIER FOR PARTICIPATION FOR

03:29:16.443 --> 03:29:18.279
THE PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE, AND

03:29:18.345 --> 03:29:20.447
THOSE THAT ARE DISCONTINUING EV

03:29:20.514 --> 03:29:21.849
PRODUCTION PERHAPS DON'T

03:29:21.916 --> 03:29:23.651
QUALIFY. WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE

03:29:23.717 --> 03:29:26.186
NEED FOR THAT. MY FIRST EV

03:29:26.253 --> 03:29:28.022
PROGRAM TO BE PROLIFERATING, I

03:29:28.088 --> 03:29:30.224
THINK USED CAR PARTNERS,

03:29:30.291 --> 03:29:31.759
UTILITIES, OTHER STAKEHOLDERS

03:29:31.825 --> 03:29:33.394
THAT CAN HELP US GET THAT

03:29:33.460 --> 03:29:34.862
THROUGH. BUT LET'S REALLY

03:29:34.929 --> 03:29:35.930
INVEST THROUGH OUR AMAZING

03:29:35.996 --> 03:29:37.765
CLEAN CARS FOR ALL PROGRAM. YOU

03:29:37.831 --> 03:29:39.967
PUT $18 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE

03:29:40.034 --> 03:29:41.769
NEXT FEW YEARS. LAST YEAR. WE

03:29:41.835 --> 03:29:44.571
CAN TURBOCHARGE THAT TO DEPLOY

03:29:44.638 --> 03:29:47.074
USED EVS TO FRONTLINE

03:29:47.141 --> 03:29:48.142
COMMUNITIES. AND THE LAST THING

03:29:48.208 --> 03:29:50.644
I'LL SAY FOR EFFICIENCY FROM MY

03:29:50.711 --> 03:29:52.479
STAKEHOLDERS AND FOR YOUR TIME

03:29:52.546 --> 03:29:54.682
NOW, WITH LESS FUNDING FOR GRF,

03:29:54.748 --> 03:29:56.784
WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE

03:29:56.850 --> 03:30:00.387
THE POLITICAL INVESTMENTS WE

03:30:00.454 --> 03:30:02.523
NEED TO MAKE TO GET MULTIYEAR

03:30:02.589 --> 03:30:03.991
FUNDING SECURE SO WE DON'T HAVE

03:30:04.058 --> 03:30:05.592
TO FIGHT FOR THE FUNDING EVERY

03:30:05.659 --> 03:30:06.827
YEAR. AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR

03:30:06.894 --> 03:30:09.063
HAS SOME PREDICTABILITY. YOU

03:30:09.129 --> 03:30:10.898
HEARD COMMISSIONER SKINNER TALK

03:30:10.965 --> 03:30:12.199
ABOUT THE COLORADO MODEL, THE

03:30:12.266 --> 03:30:14.768
RETAIL GOODS MOVEMENT FEE AT A

03:30:14.835 --> 03:30:16.370
QUARTER. YOU KNOW, THAT'S

03:30:16.437 --> 03:30:18.005
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT

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SCALING. OUR EXISTING PROGRAM

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FOR RIDE HAILING IS ONE MODEL.

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A LUXURY SUV TAX COULD BE

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ANOTHER CREATIVE MODEL. WE'RE

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PROBABLY GOING TO GET DINGED BY

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THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR $135

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EV FEE THAT THEY'RE THREATENING

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TO PUT ON ALL EV DRIVERS IN THE

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COUNTRY. MAYBE WE NEED TO WAIVE

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DMV FEES, LOW COST

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ADMINISTRATIVE DEPLOYMENT

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OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE GOOD ON

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THIS PUNITIVE FEE FOR THE

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FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, FROM THE

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FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHATEVER

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WE'RE ABLE TO DO OVER THE NEXT

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COUPLE OF YEARS WITH A HOSTILE

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FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HELPS BUILD

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PROGRESS AND MOMENTUM SO THAT

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WE CAN TURN THE SWITCH QUICKLY

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IN 29 AND BEYOND, OR HAVE AN

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INSURANCE POLICY WHERE

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CALIFORNIANS, FOR GOD'S SAKES,

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WE LED THE WORLD TO THE

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TRANSITION THAT IS TAKING THE

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WORLD BY STORM, AND WE NEED TO

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BRING IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO

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INVESTED SO MUCH TO MAKE IT

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HAPPEN. SO THANKS SO MUCH FOR

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YOUR LEADERSHIP. ALL RIGHT.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WITH

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THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.